[00:00] i installed wine to install filezilla server then selected the source code to install as well [00:00] antiwire, could you tell me what kind of application is tor so i can google similar things? [00:00] pehden: you are Doing It Wrong [00:00] pehden: regardless, this isn't a catch-all channel for noobs lost in the ether. [00:00] oh, vsftpd can read user names and passwords from a BerklyDB, can it? [00:00] then copied the source to another location [00:00] pehden: you need to go to #ubuntu, and have them help you setup a linux ftp server (probably vsftpd or proftpd) [00:00] macavity: an ftpd doesn't need to do that :) [00:00] rworkwan that was rude [00:01] slak: Tor is an anonymizing network and you connect applications to the Tor network via proxies, in most cases [00:01] pehden: no it wasn't. [00:01] pehden: this is ##slackware.. we support slackware related problems [00:01] That was the nice version. [00:01] pehden: no, that was actually perfectly normal. [00:01] code is code [00:01] See? [00:01] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] rworkman: uhm, that depends on how many users you have :P [00:01] pehden: this is not a code channel [00:01] and Slackware is Slackware. [00:01] Action: BP{k} has seen rworkman being rude .. it's a different kettle of fish, that you are fastly approaching ;) [00:02] macavity: maybe. I contend that in modern times, ftpd's are strictly for anonymous read-only access and *maybe* insecure upload of nonsecure info [00:03] antiwire, yeah thanks... [00:03] pehden: I think there's also a nice version at http://sweet.nodns4.us [00:03] rworkman: obviously :P [00:04] hey ppl do you guys know when slak13 will be releasing? [00:04] good god. [00:04] slak: "when it's ready (tm)" [00:04] slak: in 15 minutes [00:04] is that a link like on.nimp.org [00:04] pehden: no. It's a genuine educational link. [00:04] BP{k}, i know but any predictable date? [00:04] slak: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (80% of Full) [00:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:04] hope so [00:04] slak: yes. "when it's ready (tm)" [00:05] slak: see also the slackware.com website - FAQ - General FAQ - Question #5. [00:05] BP{k}, bah you being nasty [00:05] no [00:05] slak: no. [00:05] slak: no, he's not. [00:05] deja vu [00:05] You, like someone else here, have expectations that simply are NOT going to be met here. [00:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] lmfao [00:05] slackware has always been, and will always be: released when it is ready [00:05] DIXI [00:05] Action: macavity has spoken [00:06] slak: rc1 was release; maybe that can help you [00:06] Idk may pat could have turned up and said something lol [00:06] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.91.186) joined ##slackware. [00:06] i suspect his supply would have been shockingly similar to bpk's [00:06] something extra-official i mean [00:06] slak: Oh FFS. [00:06] pehden: I have a question for you; Even if you have some how managed to find the sources to the windows server code for filezilla, how do you plan to modify it for your needs if you have to ask these questions in the first place? [00:06] he spoke wise words many moons ago: "a release is ready when it is ready.. not before it is ready, neither after it is ready" [00:06] antiwire: ++ [00:07] slak: http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#5 <-- the OFFICIAL Slackware.com answer to your question. [00:07] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-242.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:07] Ohh snap! [00:07] faq pwnage. [00:07] i turned off eagle eye; it was sucking [00:07] i would guess changeing the directory lines from \windstuff\ to /linuxstuff/ and other code that would be os bassed [00:08] amazon10x: lol... ya wasn't a really great movie was it? [00:08] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-209.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:08] i just turned on Primer [00:08] pehden: if you want to see me being rude, do a search for "alt.os.linux.slackware" and "Robby Workman" and look for articles that involve "ANC" or "Tom N" or I forget what the latest nymshift the fucktard is using [00:08] i've heard good things about this one [00:08] BP{k}, what FFS? [00:08] antiwire, still alive? [00:09] I'm laughing so hard I just popped a rib [00:09] rworkman: or logs from #xfce from last night? ;) [00:09] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) joined ##slackware. [00:09] pehden: dude.. have you ever even made it past the heloworld.c test? [00:10] BP{k}: perhaps those too :) [00:10] i never said i knew c [00:10] macavity: that's rhetorical, right? :) [00:10] rworkman: ....maybe? [00:10] pehden: you will not be able to port filezilla to linux [00:11] why not [00:11] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:11] because you lack the requisite skills [00:11] slak: your question really made it clear you haven't read anything.. Even if Patrick knows a release date, he won't share it with us. All we do is watch the ChangeLog zealously and usually one of the ops/guys on the development team will change the topic to let us know. That is about how far you get with "letting be known." as far as I know Patrick has never announced a preset release date. [00:11] pehden: ok, then let me spell this out to you: porting applications from Microsoft Windows to a POSIX compliant UNIX like OS is *not* trivial.. even to pros who do it for a living [00:11] pehden: porting it will be very non-trivial, otherwise it would've been done already [00:11] BP{k}, i swear to my mom's tit i read it up [00:12] rworkman: i can't find the anc tom n stuff [00:12] pehden: that is why stuff like Flash has been unstable on GNU/Linux for years, despite having run nealy flawlessly on windows for decades [00:12] amazon10x: I can't either now - google apparently is braindead on indexing that stuff. [00:12] slak: really I don't need to know about your oedipus complex. [00:12] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) joined ##slackware. [00:13] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [00:14] BP{k}, its not oedipus complex , it's George Carlin complex [00:14] thanks for your input macavity amazon10x [00:14] we've got one guy wanting to spoof his IP to play WoW and another guy planing on porting filezilla by swaping \'s for /'s [00:14] this is awesome [00:15] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [00:15] slak just have trouble relating to the fact that not everything in this world is on a corporate schedule [00:15] antiwire, I never said i wanted to play WoW [00:15] *is [00:15] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) left ##slackware ("Konversation exterminated!"). [00:15] antiwire, r u stoned? [00:15] slak: no George Carlin is dead (sadly enough) [00:15] no, are you? [00:15] antiwire, im not. [00:16] antiwire, even though the present time would be propicious [00:16] antiwire i said more then just changing slashes [00:16] sigh [00:16] missyjane: hey, you better just laugh, or we go back to where you get to be the bud end of the joke ;-) [00:17] can slackware run on 900mhz with 512mb ram [00:17] yup [00:17] you can even run KDE on that [00:17] BP{k}, George Carlin was the best, wasnt he? [00:18] I want to be like him when i grow up. [00:18] kde bleh, gnome is fine for me [00:18] slak: one of few [00:18] pehden: uhm.. slackware does not ship with gnome.... [00:18] slak: he was great, yes, sad that he died. [00:18] what does it have xfce [00:18] yes [00:19] then thats good too [00:19] and a few others [00:19] slackware wasnt free was it [00:19] fukhed (i=shthed@203-206-57-152.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Network is unreachable [00:20] i dont remember [00:20] antiwire: popping a rib doesn't sound good.. lol. [00:21] but KDE-4.2.4 is very shiny, and it only uses some 300MB RAM when everything is up and running and i have my favorite apps open (yakuake, konqueror with half a dusin tabs, kmail, amarok, some plasmoids, etc) [00:21] I need a 10ft vga cable but all I have is 4x 6ft cables.. hmmmm [00:21] pehden: it is free of charge if that is what you mean [00:21] macavity, is that initially or after leaving it up for a week or two? [00:22] macavity, I dont belive you.... prove me that. [00:23] i was interested in slackware but couldnt get it to run on my machine [00:23] or couldnt get a iso for it [00:23] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-152.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [00:24] Either sounds believable. [00:24] slak: it is up to 400MB right now.. and that is after i set konqueror to always keep an extra copy preloaded. i have a shitload of wikipedia articles open, ktorrent is blazing off with 8 active torrents, kwin runs with a shit load of effects enabled, and i set the composite option to always keep up-to-date renderings of all apps.. even the minimized ones [00:24] pehden, all you need is a boot disk [00:24] go on [00:25] i mean, i know kde tends to be efficient with memory from past experience but how long has it been up and running was what I wanted to know [00:25] it's all good [00:25] if kde don't get you digging into swap, Xorg will 8-) [00:25] TwinReverb: afaik the memory leak problems with Xorgs were fixed for 1.6.1 [00:26] TwinReverb: we are at 1.6.2 on current [00:26] TwinReverb: there were also a minor memory leak for intel-2.7.0, but again, we are at 2.7.1 [00:26] X is sitting at 329MB virtual right now (but 29 resident and 15mb shared) [00:27] granted firefox uses about the same amounts all by itself 8-S [00:27] O_O [00:27] 329MB?!? [00:27] what other than X do you have running? [00:27] hold on i'll do a direct quote of top [00:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Xorg with just one xterm takes up something like 10 megs here [00:27] can slack ware install like ubuntu uses apt-get install (app) [00:28] pehden: we have slackpkg, but it will not do automatic dependency resolution for you [00:28] pehden: and if you need that, i suggest you use another distro.. like Arch or something [00:28] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [00:28] macavity, that's too much my current windows 7 is up to 390MB right now and I have 20 tabs of IE8 opened, Im on windows updating as well. and I am using also Windows media player latest version.... [00:28] macavity, lol :'(... im going to play gw then go to bed, good night [00:28] 6688 robert 20 0 278m 122m 22m S 0 6.1 26:40.98 firefox-bin [00:28] i dont get why firefox sucks up ram [00:28] 3473 root 20 0 329m 29m 13m S 0 1.4 11:34.57 X [00:28] why can't they fix it [00:29] 4040 robert 20 0 190m 55m 33m S 0 2.8 0:03.60 kontact [00:29] my vista system runs great but after ff is open for a long time.. it starts taking 600,700 megs of ram [00:29] 3617 robert 20 0 62884 44m 14m S 0 2.2 0:19.88 pidgin [00:29] 5679 robert 20 0 102m 43m 4184 S 6 2.2 17:29.30 skype [00:29] out ttyl [00:29] slak: i dont care what windows 7 does... [00:29] macavity, come on I know you do :) [00:29] TwinReverb: oh hai, you must have heard of using a pastebin. :P [00:29] slak, RTM came out ? [00:30] so it's pretty much final ? [00:30] win7 is about the best win ive seen [00:30] slak: but i do like the fact that KDE4 uses *less* RAM than KDE3, yet offers me more shiny stuff [00:30] macavity, which slackware are you rnning? [00:30] yeah i just started thinking the same thing [00:30] slak: seriously, i have not had windows on any of my own computers since windows 2000 beta3 [00:30] missyjane, macavity uses redhat. [00:30] missyjane: -current + rworkmans xorg-test packages + my own heavily patched kernel [00:31] jeev, idk im just messing with macavity [00:31] macavity you should test w7 youll see what i mean [00:31] Action: missyjane stabs macavity to death [00:31] TRAITOR! [00:31] macavity, wow, patched.. hm [00:31] pehden: no i should not... i dont do proprietary software... at... all.... p e r i o d [00:31] i dunno but NX is the hottest thing for remote desktop on 8NIX [00:31] *nix [00:31] http://pastebin.com/d2b19bb89 [00:31] do you patch on qemu or something like that before actually patching? [00:31] it's so much faster than any vnc i've ever used [00:32] i never said buy it lmao [00:32] slackware-current (i.e. 13.0-rc1 32bit) [00:32] it reminded me of kde4 [00:32] pehden: i dont *use* it.. regardless of price [00:33] antiwire, still here? [00:33] TwinReverb, in top press m [00:33] missyjane: some Intel DRM/KMS/framebuffer fixes, and a few hacks to mac80211 and iwl3945/rt73usb to support injection in monitor mode [00:34] macavity, yikes, too advanced for me [00:34] macavity isa a hax0r [00:34] no shift dive [00:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [00:34] TwinReverb, er no that didn't do what I thought anyway (%m order) [00:34] missyjane: no, i just make sure i have a spare entry in lilo with a known-good kernel [00:35] antiwire, dont answer, when you come back I'll be gone. [00:35] i already have mine ordered by ram consumed % [00:35] pehden (n=pehden@67-61-25-234.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] missyjane: actually i leave that one as Patrick's kernel, as then i also have it handy in case the crew need testing of something [00:35] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Midori,with xfce is really cool... [00:36] buffer: but it is not as shiny as my super bling KDE ;-) [00:37] for page surfing , midori is just fine and light weight [00:37] fwiw: tweaks: usually the first thing i do is make everything i don't own in a kernel modules, then compile it specifically for my CPU with generic x86 instructions disabled. this usually gives me a lighter kernel. my swap usage on that pastebin link is probably mostly stuff in the kernel that my system don't need or use [00:37] macavity: well,im fan of lightweight :P [00:37] no sense in something being in the kernel that you really don't need, because then it gets loaded into memory (iirc) [00:37] even things you own can be modules [00:37] i'm only using the generic-smp kernels of 13.0-rc1 right now for testing [00:37] sidmario (n=xxx@189.111.78.124) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:38] well yeah but then you have to use an initrd, makes no sense to recompile a kernel only to use a mkinitrd (unless there's some other reason to do so like RAID/LVM/LUKS) [00:38] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:38] why do you need initrd? [00:38] buffer: really, KDE4 has done something right when it comes to being responsive.. even on a slow ass laptop HDD like mine [00:38] i don't need one [00:38] ntp (n=retore@189.111.56.249) joined ##slackware. [00:38] macavity, true, i am impressed [00:39] i'd be even more impressed, however, if they'd make kontact able to directly handle signing/encrypting/decrypting rather than the kde3.x backend to talk to gpg [00:39] i'm not suggesting modularizing your root filesystem... [00:39] TwinReverb: actually i compile *everything* as a module.. then load via initrd [00:39] i can't sign/encrypt [00:39] macavity, that's silly [00:39] TwinReverb: but then again.. i am rather anal, so i want all loaded drivers to show up in lsmod [00:39] ah [00:40] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:40] i know already what's loaded anyways [00:40] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-204-44.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] i can't help myself... http://noobfarm.org/?id=1360 followed with the more recent..http://noobfarm.org/?id=1624 [00:40] lmao [00:40] like the only two things i usually build in are my hard drive controller and filesystem [00:40] oh, and this *does* cut down the memory usage :P [00:40] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest20258 [00:40] ntp (n=retore@189.111.56.249) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] agentc0re, that's when i was trying to get LVM to work without an initrd [00:41] macavity: but more than a destop wallpaper / browsing /movie and playing with termial what do we do with DE? [00:41] :P [00:42] macavity, oooh i see how it works now.. amazing.. [00:42] that little knowledge helped, thanks macavity :) [00:42] gw => bedtime, good night all [00:42] buffer: aa.. every one have their own taste it seems .. [00:42] maybe they should hackers on their own domain ... .0rg [00:43] macavity: ^ [00:45] buffer: http://imagebin.org:80/57944 [00:46] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [00:46] sometimes i think the only purpose for the desktop cube is to try to impress your friends [00:47] i love blingbling desktops :-) [00:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] but most the time i use yakuake ;-) [00:47] though, the KDE4 effects Present and Desktop Grid are goddamn nice and impressive [00:48] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:48] they let me work more efficient [00:48] macavity: so maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but how do I configure custom keyboard shortcuts in kde4? [00:49] http://roms-isos.com/7.png [00:49] rworkman: that is really PITA in kde , i couldn't figure out that [00:50] buffer: well, at least it's not just me :) [00:50] rworkman: system settings -> keyboard and mouse -> [00:50] macavity: hey what about raw key codes [00:50] i couldn't do that [00:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] or system settings -> Input Actions [00:51] macavity: it's not immediately clear how to *add* osmething though -- e.g. I want "Ctrl Alt x" to open konsole [00:51] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C7nzb09Iok&feature=PlayList&p=E28992D21EE18BF1&index=0&playnext=1 [00:51] thanks [00:51] I just went to the rental place and they don't have Pi or Darko [00:52] Hrm, I think input actions might be the ticket [00:53] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [00:54] rworkman: input actions -> right click -> new group -> give it a name -> right click -> new command/URL -> fill in the blanks [00:54] slak: i'm back [00:54] alt-ctrl-x is used by some clipper action, so you just reassign that one [00:54] antiwire: bummer.. Want my torrent link? [00:54] antiwire, im gone, as i told you [00:54] agentc0re: nah, I'm too paranoid for that [00:54] lol [00:55] rworkman: however, the way to go in with consoles in KDE is yakuake [00:55] slak: yeah clearly you're not here [00:56] antiwire, dont talk to im bot from now on [00:56] ban the bot [00:56] macavity: look at my xfce desktop :P http://imagebin.ca/view/B84HTgC.html [00:56] rworkman: seriously, it is THE single most enabling app i have ever seen.. i suggest you bind it to CapsLock :P [00:56] it's a chatter bot, ban it! [00:56] antiwire: how about a usr account to my webserver for a private ssh download? ;) You can wear your tinhat if you want, might make it go faster! :P [00:57] lol [00:57] buffer: that imagebin is annoying.. it resizes the image to fit the window :P [00:57] buffer: whats the "101629A" on top? [00:57] http://imagebin.ca/view/UJEpyU.html [00:57] dr buffer [00:57] it's antiwire [00:57] where?? [00:57] my hair is much longer and not greasy [00:58] macavity: I'll pass on yakuake, but thanks for the hint re input actions -- that's not obvious at all :/ [00:58] in your screenshot [00:58] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [00:58] buffer: it looks just like a boring version of gnome to me ;-) [00:58] rworkman, macavity was offering a bukkake [00:58] ? [00:58] jeev: just for you. [00:58] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [00:58] never [00:58] nooper: macavity i can't find that stirng [00:58] jeev: is that thing about being a jerk compulsory? [00:59] macavity, it's a joke. calm down, i'm not a jerk. [00:59] put your purse down [00:59] Action: macavity looks back through the logs [00:59] i'm too lazy to go on [00:59] i beg to disagree.. you ARE a jerk [00:59] macavity: You'll find too much and just prove what you already know. [01:00] yeah he's a jerk, just be a jerk back and he leaves you alone [01:00] ok [01:00] no, just lie to em and show me you're a bitch [01:00] and i'll leave you alone [01:00] if you're like me you're lucky enough to be added to his faglist. [01:00] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:00] \o/ [01:00] agentc0re: what did you do to gain the honor? [01:01] macavity: Told him what he really is.. He couldn't take the truth! [01:01] nooper: macavity that my local time , i has a blinking separator,which went off while screen shot [01:01] s/i/it/ [01:01] ah [01:01] oh, that makes more sense [01:01] antiwire, agentc0re how long does one would take to decrypt a 2048 bit encryption? [01:02] sorry for the poor grammar [01:02] which kind of encryption? [01:02] slak: depends on what encryption method was used and the system(s) you use to break it... [01:02] say blowfish [01:02] so a brute attack? [01:02] yea [01:02] as far as I know, blowfish has no directly usable flaws... [01:03] that is not possible [01:03] LITTERALLY [01:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:03] then what are the possibles cases? [01:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:03] macavity: i'm really surprised from all the shit he talks to people in here that he hasn't been kicked once for it.. At least i've never witnessed it. [01:03] you could try to brute force the passphrase used to create the keys to encrypt with blowfish [01:04] but 2048bit keys directly... [01:04] as in, even if we assume that you have a a perfectly energy efficient computer, using the smallest energy quant per bit flip, then flipping through 2048 bit takes more energy than the universe contains [01:05] Action: agentc0re brain implodes [01:05] macavity: right but that doesn't mean the rest of the setup isn't flawed. Think of luks. it uses a passphrase [01:05] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.22.2) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:05] lol agentc0re [01:05] you could attack the passphrase but directly attacking a 2048bit key itself would be painful [01:05] antiwire: exactly.. guess the key [01:06] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:07] it is either that, or go Like Skywalker and just sense the date by being strong with the force [01:07] Action: CcSsNET busts out a sabre [01:08] CcSsNET: PUt that shit back in your pants! [01:08] in fact i think the later is more likely than actually bruting the actual cyper stream [01:09] *cipher [01:09] sigh furr [01:09] lol [01:10] actually, if the cryptographic algorithm is secure, and the password/key is random, then 256 bit is enough [01:11] at least for now [01:11] u realize cray the company exists with compitition right? [01:12] ya i think a brute force attach on a 8 character password would take over a lifetime to figure out. [01:12] nope.. it goes something like: with computers 1 million times faster than those of today it will take twice time the life span of our solar system if it is the last combination [01:12] plus 2 [01:12] but that assumes that humans continue to use the same methods [01:13] so antiwire, back to that question about network anonymizer, would be better to connect to VPN service with such encryption power? [01:13] there are 2^180 atoms in the universe... so 2^256 combinations is freaking many :P [01:13] which means we can only assume that we start using even better methods. [01:13] we plan to shift to stich patern crpytograms next [01:14] that would mean quantum computing [01:14] and by that metric all bets are off :P [01:14] slak: Well going to back what you initially asked; encrypting the connection and anonymizing the connection are two different things [01:14] slak: Tor happens to do both at the cost of latency [01:14] slak: a VPN that is encrypted isn't necessarily anonymous [01:14] but with regular computing there is no such thing as "a better method" against NP-complete problems [01:14] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] ehhh assuming u trust ur isp [01:15] CcSsNET: ? [01:15] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "later" [01:15] my ISP has no ability to snoop on my ssh or VPN connections. they can see the connections but not the content [01:15] CcSsNET, what if the VPN happen to be out of my country? [01:15] slak: i would say this. If you are worried about anyone taking your computer and "decrypting" it you shouldn't be... unless you're doing something illegal, than you are just worrying about the wrong thing imo. [01:16] the can see the endpoints but providing that I have implemented the system properly, I don't have to trust them. [01:16] slak then assume its definatly being snooped in [01:16] the/they [01:16] CcSsNET: I don't think you know what you're talking about [01:16] suit urself [01:16] antiwire, agreed. [01:17] im from usa, u? [01:17] CcSsNET: You think an ISP can snoop on a preshared key connection? [01:17] agentc0re, appreciated your opnion [01:17] they can see the endpoints but certainly not the content [01:17] slak: np. [01:17] antiwire how kind of u to specify the pretext [01:17] CcSsNET: what do you think a secure VPN uses? [01:18] ... [01:18] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] well u where mentioning tor [01:18] haha [01:18] I mentioned Tor, and we are talking about VPNs [01:18] what's so funny about that? [01:18] so.. public/private key generation makes "preshare" pretty easy... [01:19] antiwire, but with a VPN i could do everything litteraly being anonymous- sending emails, playing games, connect to others hosts and on, right? [01:19] even key based auth for ssh is pretty damn safe [01:19] better share that key in person [01:19] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] CcSsNET: which is the whole point of a truly secured setup [01:20] lets change the anonymous to someone else ok? [01:20] slak: no [01:20] slak: it will always be possible to tack it to the endpoint box.. that is, the one you VPN into and use as a gateway [01:20] slak: a VPN, in the typical sense, is not anonymous [01:20] it is secure. [01:20] these are two different concepts [01:20] agreed ^ [01:21] I see.... [01:22] slak: you dont really understand TCP via IP do you? [01:23] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:23] slak: becoming anonymous in the network sense is actually quite a difficult goal to achieve properly. Tor tries but even the Tor project outlines the shortcomings of the system they have designed. [01:23] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] antiwire, check this site out:http://anonymitynetwork.com/about.html [01:23] slak go research, tunneling, vpn, proxy, ssh, ssl, ppp, tcp/ip "possibly other protocals such as udp, ipx" [01:23] slak: you trust them? [01:23] macavity, try me [01:24] antiwire, first time getting touch [01:24] what does that mean? [01:25] You lost me [01:25] gnunet [01:25] freenet [01:25] p2pvpn [01:25] various other projects [01:25] is CcSsNET a buzzword bot? [01:25] nope [01:26] antiwire, you aske me if trust the site i wrote? [01:26] LOL [01:26] slak: if you have a VPN connection to another computer at the other side of the globe that acts as you gateway, what traces is that you are behind the trafic is emediately visible to, say, a webserver when you contact it? [01:26] (2009-07-31 22:24:14) antiwire: slak: you trust them? (2009-07-31 22:25:09) slak: antiwire, first time getting touc [01:27] you see why i'm confused? [01:27] first contact to the site i meant [01:27] slak: obseve that it doesnt matter if the gateway uses NAT or not [01:27] macavity, my ISP? [01:28] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:28] to reach my ISP would be visible [01:28] no [01:28] at least not in the NAT case [01:29] as if it does NAT you will have the same IP adress as the gateway [01:29] but the higher level stuff is still trackable. that's part of the issue [01:29] in fact it would probably cause funny results if it did *not* do NAT :P [01:29] Action: macavity thinks of some funny ARP contradictions that would otherwise cause [01:30] your browser will still have cookies, still have referrer information, and in some cases of even leak DNS queries [01:30] slak: your MAC adress... [01:30] especially firefox ^ [01:30] firefox does not leak if you set it up correctly [01:30] well yea [01:31] such as removing some stuff [01:31] depends on what it is leaking 8-) [01:31] ... [01:31] lol.. just dont go to astalavista.box.sk [01:31] macavity, ah but that is the easiest part we can change our mac address as easy as Michael Jackson can change his collour [01:31] or whatever it is that you guys do :P [01:31] changing a mac doesn't solve anything [01:31] >.< analogy fail [01:32] seg fault [01:32] you're still using a unique MAC, even if it is faked. [01:32] lol ^ [01:32] CcSsNET: again, what is so funny? [01:32] slak: uhm, the ISP will still see your fake MAC at the exact same time as the webserver does [01:32] ur physical location is still known he means [01:33] slak: as in, if the Feds are on your six, that approach wont help you squat [01:33] antiwire master what do mean with unique MAC? [01:33] slak u really wrote that site ? [01:33] if the feds are on your tail, however, they probably need a very good reason to be [01:33] MACs are unique.. if they are not all hell break loose, and every tripwire system in the world goes balisic and starts logging everything [01:33] slak: it doesn't matter if I connect to a network with my flashed MAC or some faked MAC I set. I'm still plugged into the network with a unique MAC... [01:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:34] Action: CcSsNET gets some popcorn [01:34] slak: you acted like you knew how this stuff works... [01:34] AND that MAC is observable from your ISP's point of view [01:35] and if in the usa [01:35] 281,474,976,710,656 unique possible MAC addresses don't mean you would not accidentally use one already in use [01:35] patriot act forced all isps to allow backdoor access for gov. tracking [01:35] it's like changing the plates on a car. it's still the same car and it's still parked in front of your damn house... [01:35] much less they're not being handed out to hardware. usually they're randomized upon build. [01:35] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] much less there are probably at least that many total network devices in existence, so eventually there's going to be a repeat [01:35] antiwire: that is why i asked him if he knew how TCP via IP works.. now i came up with a link layer trace.. and he hasnt pointed that out to me yet :P [01:36] ARP and MACs are at the Ethernet level... not the IP level [01:36] it's probably easier to use 00:00:00:00:00:00 [01:36] slak google OSI model [01:36] that way everyone knows you're masking it [01:36] you set your MAC to all zeros and tell me how that ends up for you [01:36] since really they're arbitrary and no one cares [01:37] TwinReverb: that is probably NOT a good idea..... [01:37] TwinReverb: remind me.. how does one address "everyone" in an ARP request? [01:37] pinging 255.255.255.255 probably aint good either [01:37] this is getting really lame now [01:38] broadcast is all F's [01:38] well what i meant is using a mac address that's intentional, not necessarily all zeroes [01:38] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] ok well usually that is described by 00:11:22:33:44:55 [01:39] shit on me.. i could have sworn that broadcast was all zeros [01:39] Action: macavity needs to brush up on this crap [01:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:39] lulz.. i used to crate hand crafted ARP packages [01:39] Action: macavity rubs eyes [01:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] or DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE [01:41] wow [01:41] that was creative [01:41] nice one :-) [01:41] no, it's deadbeefcafe.org [01:41] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [01:41] not my creation [01:41] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [01:41] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:42] i would assume a MAC address like that would be a clear signal to everyone that you're going black hat mode [01:42] im re-reading everything [01:42] ill be a little quite for now [01:42] BA:DB:AD:BA:DB:AD [01:43] 13:33:71:33:71:33 [01:43] 13:37:13:37:13:37 [01:43] there that's better [01:43] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Action: TwinReverb chuckles [01:44] i prefer being more subtle with spoofed mac addys [01:45] only humans think the above funny [01:45] Action: TwinReverb thinks spoofing mac address is worthless and pathetic, hence it won't matter [01:45] and if someone is looking at the logs anyway that means they are on to you :P [01:45] leaves more room for deniability [01:45] in fact, 13:37:13:37:13:37 would make me think i have a script kiddie on the loose [01:46] it's not worthless. think of MAC based white/black lists [01:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [01:46] when they sieze your laptop they'll know you spoofed it hence it won't matter [01:46] nice nick echelon [01:46] think of changing your mac address [01:46] thats the name of my pc [01:46] whitelists would be the only one not affected by this [01:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Client Quit [01:46] and i would be willing to wager you could find the mac addresses allowed by going to promiscuous mode and waiting [01:46] thanks :) [01:47] TwinReverb: you just made my whole point of why MAC spoofing is not worthless like you said [01:47] ah, nice tip at that deadbeefcafe site [01:47] well easily defeated at least [01:47] Never use a laptop without embedded explosives. You're not going to let thieves live, are you? [01:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:47] cat filename - | grep whatever [01:47] just means you'll have to go to promiscuous mode and listen in to the mac addresses out there, then try them until you find the one that lets you in [01:47] velusip, i don't enjoy resting a 1 LB cake of C4 on my lap 8-) [01:48] antiwire: OK , now suppose that I'm on a VPN fully 2048bitecrypted and anonymous, and feds were on my tail suspecting im terrorist or whatever.... they could not ever know to whom I'm talking, sending emails to and all that... right? [01:48] can i have a unicorn too? [01:48] i vote unicorn [01:49] a vpn doesnt make you anonymous [01:49] echelon: we went through this already with him [01:49] slak: where did the "and anonymous" come from? [01:49] ah kk [01:49] Action: superGear calls homeland security on slak [01:49] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:50] superGear: no need to.. he has checked out pretty much all "off the shelf" product used by perdoes, so he is already in their watchlist [01:50] Action: CcSsNET calls domino's [01:50] macavity: idk i think the fact being encrypted makes it anonymous since nobody can snoop around [01:50] CcSsNET: what kind of food do they have? [01:51] slak: dude.. that doesnt conceal *who* you are talking to.. just what is being talked about [01:51] pizza [01:51] wings [01:51] slak: it is not anonymous just because it is encrypted. We can't make this any clearer for you. [01:51] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] slak: maybe you should fire up wireshark and watch an SSH session. [01:52] slak: analogy: if you and i devlope a secret language, and we stand in a street talking it, what can be told, and what cannot? [01:52] you can see both endpoints, that's no secret [01:52] If you want 100% security/privacy unplug your PC [01:52] being encrypted doesn't make it anonymous, per se: they can see two machines talking over encryption [01:52] they know something's going on, just don't know what [01:52] superGear: s/your PC/your life/ ;-) [01:52] we tried explaining this already [01:53] if you're racking up in the GB of traffic on ssh, i think they'd become suspicious [01:53] macavity: ok i got your point [01:53] "hmm, maybe pedophile, maybe paranoid" [01:53] maybe a pirate! [01:53] in macavity's example, we can see the two people talking but we can't understand the content of their conversation. [01:53] "maybe a distant cusin of Osama" [01:53] but in mac addresses there's no ARRRR!!!!!! 8-( [01:53] Obama* [01:53] maybe fred at the local laundry mat [01:54] now macavity define being anonymous [01:54] antiwire: and we can see two people making an *effort* to keep others out of the conversation ;-) [01:54] well privacy is convient :P [01:54] just about the only people with enough time and bandwidth to make a decent effort at breaking into your ssh or decrypting your AES would be the FBI [01:54] slak: that is when the feds have 0% of observeing who you are taking to, and about what [01:54] and you'd have to give them a pretty good reason [01:54] slak: anonymous in our context of networking is best explained by explaining how Tor works [01:55] yes [01:55] Tor is a good example but not perfect but is serves our purpose of explaining [01:55] Action: TwinReverb thinks someone is paranoid [01:55] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:55] Tor has not been cracked in practice afaik [01:55] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [01:55] yes it has ^ [01:55] It's been compromised but not actually cracked [01:55] its called seting up a tor node maliciously [01:55] exit nodes can be compromised [01:55] in test setups.. [01:56] no in test setups [01:56] not* [01:56] it has been done. [01:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [01:56] the embassy episode... [01:56] oh yes.. [01:56] Action: macavity vaguely remembers [01:57] so antiwire Tor gives anonymity in exchanges of latency [01:57] yes [01:57] that is how it will inevertably have to be [01:57] (unless we assume that everyone is on supper fast optic fiber) [01:58] slak: Tor works something like this: I connect to the Tor network and use a local proxy to send all my network traffic through the Tor network. The connection between me and the entry point is encrypted and the inside of the Tor network is also encrypted. My data gets bounced around the Tor network and then hits and exit node where it is decrypted and sent out of the exit node to the final destination. [01:58] so in order to get both anonymity and encryption it'd be better to get both of them? [01:58] Upon return, the exit gets the returned data, encrypts it, bounces it around and sends it back to me [01:58] Tor and VPN [01:59] arrghh i just want a word list! [02:00] slak: Tor is just an example of one method used to create a fairly anonymous setup [02:00] The reality is, never send critical data through Tor [02:00] the exit nodes are vulnerable and trying to shove a VPN connection through Tor would not be very effective due to the latency issues [02:01] antiwire: why? [02:01] k just answered [02:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host241-132-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:02] antiwire: when you say latency issues you're assuming what range of latency ? 20%? [02:02] 20-40%? [02:02] it depends,the Tor network is like the ocean [02:02] tor latency has improved [02:02] Well, it has improved but it still varies greatly [02:03] but it is still *slow* for browsing a simple webpage, despite i have a 10/2mbit [02:03] Action: TwinReverb is tearing his hair out trying to get into aspell/ispell word lists on his own machine 8-( [02:03] wow macavity even on 10.5mbit? [02:04] slak: About the exit node issue: It's not so much that someone could directly ID your computer but they could potentially snoop on the traffic at the exit nodes and even potentially pull off an SSL mitm attack [02:04] antiwire: i think it important to mention in the "bounce around" actually means a new crypto tunnel layer per hop [02:04] slak: 10/2.. not 10.5 :P [02:05] but if you want to cover your tracks you would need to create the vpn account while on tor [02:05] echelon: yep, and probably using some public AP not in your home town too [02:05] antiwire: what about the firewall ? I could block syn packts to prevent that coming from everywhere else but my ISP and VPN [02:05] just dig up a backbone cable out in the middle of some field, hook in and have a blast :P [02:06] macavity: 10/2 =5 [02:06] slak: that doesn't make a difference [02:06] slak: no, 10/2 is 10 down and 2 up [02:06] slak: this is beyond the amount of typing I want to do right now [02:06] macavity: sorry [02:07] antiwire: lol ok you're very kind [02:07] slak: the quick version is that with the potential exit node compromise issue, you can't be certain that anything you send through Tor is not going to be viewed [02:08] slak: here is a word of advice: if you want to play with cracking stuff up, use virtual machines and your own computer[s] [02:08] slak: Using certs preshared keys to run ssh or VPNs through Tor would be safer but you'll end up going crazy [02:08] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:09] echelon: mind if we ping you as a demonstration? [02:09] lol k [02:10] slak: you are, sorry to say, not yet savy enough to cover your tracks, from other amatures, let alone a federal agency.. so dont try anything of what the people in #remote-exploit tell you to, ok? :P [02:10] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [02:11] macavity: stop whois me [02:11] ;-) [02:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [02:11] hexorcist (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] I haven't even received a reply from echelon yet [02:11] Reply time from NickServ: 1 seconds [02:11] that is just a place you do *not* want to be seen if you actually want to play hardcore and jepeodize your freedom :P [02:11] brb [02:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:12] jepeodize your freedom? [02:12] macavity: dont worry im not into anything illegal , im just wondering about stuffs [02:12] Action: lf4 had his freedom revoked long ago. [02:13] Action: CcSsNET hands lf4 some popcorn [02:13] Action: lf4 starts the moive. :) [02:13] s/moive/movie/ [02:14] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] what should i use to copy a dvd to my harddrive? dvdrip? it seems ot have a lot on dependencies [02:14] initself_ (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] zaltekk: dd [02:15] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:15] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:15] macavity: will i have problems with CSS? [02:15] ah [02:15] yes [02:15] antiwire, sry i had max_ctcp_queue set to 0 to prevent people from getting my timezone [02:15] I can haz Tor [02:15] zaltekk: in that case you probably go for dvdrip :P [02:16] well, i have AnyDVD in windows, but i'd rather not resort to using windows [02:16] Action: macavity wants a libdvd/libdvdcss enabled dd [02:16] tor is blocked on freenoide [02:16] zaltekk: just dd it :) [02:16] slak: Reply time from echelon: 15 seconds && Reply time from NickServ: 3 seconds [02:16] I'm Tor'd right now [02:17] zaltekk: use sbopkg to build it [02:17] lf4: dd a dvd with css? [02:17] zaltekk: that makes the dependencies a bliss [02:17] macavity: how does SBo make dependencies a bliss? [02:17] they opened it again? [02:17] antiwire: can you say your bandwidth speed? [02:17] zaltekk: Oh good point. [02:17] the hidden service [02:17] lf4: i wish i could [02:18] zaltekk: that you just add them to the build queue, and hit "build and install" [02:18] i rented a movie from one of those Red Box things in the food store(Ingles) [02:18] zaltekk: the build queue is like a stack [02:18] that is $1 USD per day + tax [02:18] how can you use your cloak? [02:18] but my girlfriend fell asleep already [02:18] zaltekk: that is, it builds the last package you add first [02:18] so i want to backup the movie and watch it tomorrow after i physically return it [02:18] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) left irc: "gn all" [02:19] zaltekk: and i said, sbopkg.. not SBo :P [02:19] zaltekk: if you dont have sbopkg yet, get it from sbopkg.org [02:19] zaltekk: it works like slackpkg [02:19] but for slackbuilds? [02:19] yes [02:19] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [02:19] i don't know that i want that [02:19] whats the better pkg manager for slackware? [02:20] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] lf4: slackpkg [02:20] macavity: ok good :) [02:20] hey nix_chix0r [02:20] lf4: anything else is unsupported here.. and yes, it will bite you sooner or later if you use some crap like slapt-get [02:20] slackpkg i am okay with since it only deals with official packages. [02:20] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i'd prefer to deal with everything unofficial myself [02:20] zaltekk: sbopkg is really nice too [02:21] it does exactly what you would have done yourself... it can just save you a lot of typing [02:21] and clicking.. [02:21] antiwire: how can you use your cloak while on tor? [02:21] to be honest, i don't want to install dvdrip because it depends on so many things that nothing else depends on [02:21] it is a bit of a turnoff [02:22] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:22] transcode, perl-extutils-depends, perl-extutils-pkgconfig, [02:22] echelon: I have no idea why it is cloaking me but I am connected via Tor and my gpg key [02:22] zaltekk: i count 7 little perl thingies being hard dependencies [02:22] hrm.. need to find a good cpu/mobo combo.. [02:22] perl-glib, perl-cairo, perl-gtk2, perl-event, perl-libintl, ffmpeg, lsdvd, mplayer, ogmtools, dvdxchap, mjpegtools, and fping [02:22] Do you think that search engine of slackpkg is lacking ? [02:22] zaltekk: from ffmpeg and onwards is optoinal [02:22] ah neat [02:22] that will hopefuly work with my existing ram [02:22] zaltekk: lol.. you cant read :P [02:22] macavity: true [02:22] no, i can read. [02:22] i just agreed with you. [02:23] are you still on 12.2? [02:23] yes [02:23] i tend to not use anything "current"ish [02:23] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] then you may want ffmpeg.. it has seen a LOT of improvement over the version that ships with xine [02:23] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [02:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:25] alternatively you can just install libdvdread and libdvdcss, and use your GIU file manager to copy the VIDEO_TS/ directory [02:26] i know that konqueror will use libdvdread if it finds it [02:26] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [02:26] not sure about XFCE thought... [02:27] It's a server issue [02:27] the cloaking server is screwing up [02:28] macavity: what are you saying about ffmpeg? [02:30] that slackware 12.2 is rather outdated.. and that recent ffmpeg has support for more codecs, uses less CPU and is allround just plain cool :P [02:30] malandr0 (n=frozenfl@user-0c6tm36.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] k9copy doesn't play well with the svn ffmpeg [02:30] at least it didn't for me [02:31] i mean k9copy for kde4 [02:32] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [02:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:32] that was lag city [02:32] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-185-190.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] why slackware loves txt files -_- will be better with xml [02:33] . [02:33] .. [02:33] XML for what? [02:34] packages desc files [02:34] pxco go try sourcemage [02:34] Try smoking less. [02:34] it seems to work just fine the way it is [02:34] bash/xml extensive [02:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.91.186) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [02:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:36] CcSsNET : i will keep with slackware BUT will be better with xml :) [02:37] how does adding more complexity to an already working and stable system make it better? [02:37] especially for something that simple text files work perfectly fine for [02:37] xml its not complexity.. its organize :) [02:38] i disagree id rather have text [02:39] I've seen a lot of braindead suggestions for "improvement," but that one's up near the top. [02:39] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Xml isn't even great at what it's designed for (IME), and using it for a *description* is completely out there. [02:40] hehe [02:40] My brain hurts now, so I'm out - I need sleep. [02:40] I also like plain text better. lol [02:40] night rworkman [02:40] good night rworkman [02:40] y0 lf4 [02:40] g'night :) [02:41] hey fire|bird :) [02:41] lf4: how's it going? [02:41] It's going well so far. How are things your side? [02:41] lf4: going great, thanks. [02:42] Action: lf4 is tired and keeps forgetting to tab names. :P [02:42] fire|bird: Good to hear, you already for the weekend? [02:42] lf4: yeah, always ready for the weekends. :P [02:43] haha nice, 7 more hours before my weekend starts :/ [02:43] lf4: It's 01:42 here, so, technically it's already started here. :P [02:44] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Same here 00:44 [02:44] Fri Jul 31 23:44:52 PDT 2009 [02:44] Sat Aug 1 00:40:04 PDT 2009 [02:44] I get off work in 7hrs though. [02:44] y0 eviljames [02:44] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] my clock is wrong by 1 hr and 5 minutes [02:44] :D [02:44] well are there any xmms / aduacious like ncurses player ? [02:44] eviljames: fix your clock for gosh sake. :P [02:45] eviljames: oh hai, you can haz ntpd ;) [02:45] i _could_ .. but. . well, that would require doing stuff [02:45] howdy BP{k} [02:45] antiwire: is 31 still there? [02:45] BP{k}: ohai, i iz in ur beljumm drinkin ur piraat [02:45] 10.5% ftw [02:45] eviljames: awesome :) I had a Duvel tonight :) [02:46] very nice.. along with the piraat 105, I was sipping on GULDEN DRAAK [02:46] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] GULDEN DRAAK is a beer so good its name belongs in ALLCAPS. [02:46] hmm I have heard of that one :) [02:46] fire|bird: howdy, hows things? [02:47] BP{k}: all is well here, you? [02:47] srsly dude, I can tell from your selections that you are a connoisseur - find GULDEN DRAAK and drink one. [02:47] haha eviljames why is your clock off by 1hr? [02:47] lf4: because he's lazy and won't fix it. :) [02:47] lf4: well, i'm from saskatchewan, and we don't believe in pdt [02:47] so I set my clock not to change. [02:47] lol [02:47] the 5 minutes is a typeo [02:48] hahaha i see [02:48] XML for slack-desc files [02:48] aaa... any one o_O [02:48] ?! no. [02:48] hey macavity [02:48] why wasnt he strangled in his navel cord? [02:48] macavity: i would, as a user and not a slackdev, oppose that. [02:48] I don't like Daylight savings either but its to much of a hassle to convert for others. [02:48] :P [02:49] lf4: nah, it's hassle to bother changing your clocks. [02:49] What is this with XML and documentation files? :P [02:49] lf4: scroll up [02:49] macavity: was that a suggestion, or something that I missed? [02:49] eviljames: the good thing is within two weeks I am in Germany visiting my folks, with a side trip to the netherlands. I'll keep an eye out for it when keth and me do some shopping. [02:49] a suggestion [02:50] A very bad suggestion. [02:50] BP{k}: someday I am going to go to oktoberfest. but i hope most german beers don't taste like becks. [02:50] eviljames: something you missed, scroll up and see what pxco was saying. [02:50] pxco has the idea that just because his mommy bought him a 'putar for christmass and he read a book about web development that that makes him an expert on distro design [02:51] because i fully stand behind this statement: "becks beer tastes like a fart smells." [02:51] macavity: are we all? :) [02:51] macavity: i'm not even going to lastlog it, anything other than plaintext ascii for slack-desc is a stupid mistake. [02:51] :D [02:52] but s/ ascii / whatever is simplest for most systems / [02:52] ok.. if we get all modern and stuff and switch to UTF8 i wont complain *that* much [02:52] eviljames: It began with: 01:31 Ŧpxcoŧ why slackware loves txt files -_- will be better with xml [02:52] Why stop at XML and not use an orcal DB for slack-desc? lol [02:52] bbiab [02:52] i mean.. i just have to learn to live with the fact that the linux console is not hard coded to IBM CP850 :P [02:52] Why stop at linux, let's convert to solaris while we're at it. [02:53] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [02:53] lf4: no no no.. we should make pkgtools lisp based! that way we could make slack-desc files in lips! [02:53] let's make everything python based going forward [02:53] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:54] does any one use cmus music player [02:54] it would be *so* cool to have package logs that could calculate their own MD5 sums and email root if they have become corrupt [02:54] ..er .. i mean.. err [02:54] who's up for a kernel reimplementation? anyone? all-python all the way! [02:54] macavity: lol wow that would be interesting [02:54] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [02:55] macavity: isn't that called AppArmor? [02:55] lf4: i find it rather facinating that lisp source code is a native data type to lisp :P [02:55] eviljames: maybe? [02:55] eviljames: Lets go with ruby :) [02:55] noes [02:56] cheap ass ripoff [02:56] nope, i'm wrong [02:56] it is just a lisp engine that exports a C style syntax [02:56] then Lua is probably better [02:56] oh, i thought you meant app armor - according to wikipedia, its a provider of mandatory access control. [02:56] I need to study C again. It's been years since I was learning it. [02:56] lf4: that'll work! :D [02:57] we had better start optimizing right away [02:58] how about we just write the system tools in bash? that way we dont have to compile them, and they will work on all target architectures? [02:58] ..err.. i mean... [02:58] wow,cmus rocks .. [02:59] i think that is gona save my electricty bills .. when i wana just play music [03:02] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] blah [03:04] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] bigs (n=Ya@c-24-60-35-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] someone is screaming at their girlfriend [03:07] it's midnight here now [03:08] apparently my kid has a date this weekend with another infant lul [03:10] lol nix_chix0r isnt your kid under the age of 4? [03:10] he's almost 5months yeah [03:10] some play date thing [03:10] he flirts with her at church apparently [03:10] haha nice :) starting off early. [03:11] well i don't kow if it's considered church. kingdom hall (jehovas) my superivsors daughter watches him and on tuesdays and thursdays they go do what ever the fuck they do [03:11] and he goes with and grins at all the little girl babies [03:12] lil pimp [03:12] batting his long eyelashes probally [03:12] haha cute, so its more a religious daycare. [03:13] pretty much he stays at their house the rest of the week while i'm at work from 4pm-midnight [03:13] hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [03:13] her daughet is watching him this fri-monday since we are going tubing this weekend [03:13] fire|bird, good:) [03:14] i gota dye my hair the greys are comming back so i'm doing that tomorrow [03:14] Cool :) lol sounds like he'll have fun and so will you. [03:14] yeah that is the plan we can all chill [03:14] nix_chix0r: wow, the baby's taken that much of a toll already? :P [03:14] gray hair? :P [03:14] and i'll miss him like crazy and look forward to gettin him back refreshed on monday [03:15] nix_chix0r: i bet your older then me and I have grays already :) [03:15] i started getting grey hair at 18 just a fiew pieces [03:15] few* [03:15] nix_chix0r: thats a good motherly thing though :) [03:15] now they sprout like three at a time and i cant be pluckin that shit [03:15] lol [03:16] thanks to garnier i dont have to worry for 4weeks :P [03:16] haha [03:16] i had a girl who was looking at my beard hair go "you have gray hair in there" [03:16] ... [03:16] haha pull it all out :) in my family its either bald or full white/gray/silvery hair I hope I get the color drop. [03:16] antiwire: nice and your reply was? [03:17] it's blonde [03:17] i swear [03:17] antiwire: could have replied with "I'm jusy wise beyond my years." [03:17] it's not gray hairs, sometimes a blonde hair happens [03:17] s/jusy/just/ [03:17] I understand my facial hair has red mixed in. [03:17] lf4, i turn 23 next month [03:17] =\ [03:17] pxco (n=pxco@189.114.36.6) left ##slackware. [03:18] my beard hair is black but sometimes a blonde hair happens [03:18] nix_chix0r: humm ok now I feel old. [03:18] i'm 27 [03:18] ^^^ but not that old [03:18] i feel like i'm 30 haha [03:18] I turn 24 in 3 months. [03:19] nix_chix0r, lf4 is old [03:19] edman007, and you're still younger [03:19] yea [03:19] thats dog years. :) [03:19] nix_chix0r: just wait and see how you feel when the little one is in his terrible 2's. :P [03:19] fire|bird, i'll just beat him [03:19] :) [03:19] Action: edman007 calls cps [03:19] although gorilla glue now makes tape and i bet it's pretty strong [03:20] nix_chix0r: Don't ask me to post bail. :D [03:20] tape him to the wall [03:20] lol [03:20] upside down? [03:20] nix_chix0r, the ceiling is better, you can put things under him to discourage escape attempts [03:20] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] what i should do is take a pic of my friends kid taped to the wall and say look this kid didn't eat his veggies... do you want that to happen to you? [03:21] nix_chix0r, just don't do it to your wall, it can rip the dry wall off [03:21] i have brick in the kitchen [03:21] brick would be best... its rough. [03:21] tape him to the pantry wall [03:22] nix_chix0r, brick will need a lot more tape, buy it in bulk [03:22] samsclub that biznatch [03:22] oh god please don't have cramps go go go away [03:22] don't ruin my weekend [03:23] yay monster cramps! [03:23] SoOo Craaammmppyyy [03:24] and it makes you complain [03:24] go eat your pamprin [03:24] go eat plastic flowers [03:24] wish for bloting, it would help you float. :) [03:25] haha [03:25] i don't think i ever got bloated [03:25] i'm pretty good about my salt intake [03:25] Action: lf4 hides all products with salt from nix_chix0r [03:25] Action: edman007 puts nix_chix0r in salt water [03:27] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.75.142) joined ##slackware. [03:27] I was told to go in the Salt Lake one of these days haha I just dread the though of walking out covered in a layer of salt. [03:27] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [03:28] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:28] nooo [03:28] That's one of the best feelings for me [03:28] When I surf in the pacific and don't wash off [03:28] it feels nice [03:28] antiwire, you may have a mental problem [03:28] when it starts to dry it makes you all stickey [03:28] no way it's good [03:29] antiwire: Yeah but I am talking about the Salt Lake in UT lol where you can pretty much walk on the water. [03:29] that would feel even better [03:29] it makes your hair feel nice too [03:30] Action: edman007 wonders if antiwire is a dolphin or something [03:30] Action: macavity too [03:30] or maybe a shark? [03:30] Action: edman007 gets out of the water [03:30] SHARK! [03:30] eek [03:30] Well I'll let you know if being covered in salt is a nice feeling or not. [03:30] i got really mad at some idiot who yelled shark the other day [03:30] Action: macavity gets the harpoon and the dynamite [03:31] there was no shark. it was a pod of dolphins and he thought it was funny to hell shark [03:31] i'll get the rc boat and c4 [03:31] antiwire: did you hit them over their head with your board? [03:31] Action: aceofspades19 tricks antiwire into biting some exposed cables [03:31] when you surf you don't yell shark unless there is a GD shark [03:32] antiwire, maybe he saw you? [03:32] antiwire: there was in his messed up mind [03:32] haha [03:32] GD? [03:32] GOD DAMN SHARKS [03:32] cursing [03:32] lol [03:33] i thought it was an acronym for some *kind* of shark :P [03:33] btw, you dont yell shark if you see a hammer head, do you? [03:33] hahaha yeah you only yell if you see one species of shark in the water. :) [03:33] looks guys here's the deal...sharks are fish and fish have vertical tail fins which means you will see not 1 but two fins. shark fins also do not have the same bend as a dolphin [03:33] shark: http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:eYsb5C3Vyi6ElM:http://www.gla.ac.uk/marinestation/research/bask-shark/shark_fin_450.jpg [03:34] dolphin http://www.photogalaxy.com/articles/materials/dolphin/Dolphin_Fin_Shot.jpg [03:34] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.75.142) left irc: "BitchX: now with flavor crystals!" [03:34] i know what a freaking shark is.. those are just lage chunks of sushi [03:34] notably the kind of sushi you have to be a little carefull drag it to the table :P [03:35] *when you [03:35] macavity: its the fins that are tasty :P [03:35] this is what you can expect to see many times a shark shows up http://www.gla.ac.uk/marinestation/research/bask-shark/shark_tag-inset_576.jpg [03:35] antiwire, you are acting like someone who has missed their dinner [03:36] some yelled "SHARK!" at your dinner, and it surfed away [03:36] past his bed time. [03:36] hell.. i am nearly omnivore, so ill eat mostly everything on a shark but the eyes and the skeleton :P [03:36] it's like yelling fire in a movie theater [03:36] macavity: they dont have skeletons :) [03:36] sharks are serious business for surfers [03:36] it's no joke [03:36] damn it guys [03:36] antiwire: you speak of experiance? [03:36] yes [03:36] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:37] lf4: call them what you will.. the harder part inside the meat that you use to pick your teeth with when you are done eating :P [03:37] i've been with sharks quite a few times out there [03:37] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [03:37] antiwire: ever had any for dinner? [03:37] antiwire: and yet you still live... so why yell shark at all? :D [03:37] antiwire, well when the fire alarm goes off in the theater, did you know that they will refuse to rewind the movie, even for 30 seconds, even if it was just to catch the key phrase of the entire movie that was just missed due to the fire alarm? [03:37] sharks are the land lords of the ocean. [03:38] macavity: you pick your teeth with cartilage? [03:38] nope.. that would be the killer whales [03:38] i adore those [03:38] i was watching irobot, and right when the robot answered the question as to why they were taking control, the fire alarm went off [03:39] lf4: i dont know what that is, bit when i eat big tunar i pick my teeth with the bones :P [03:39] haha edman007 to save the humans :P there now you know what the robot said. [03:39] lol [03:39] lf4, yea...well i didn't get that the first time around, everyone was pissed and yelling at the guys [03:40] macavity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartilage [03:40] ah [03:40] "brusk" [03:41] well.. if you say fish bones are made of that, then yes :P [03:41] edman007: i bet haha i would just have been laughing at it the whole time. [03:41] macavity: nope only sharks [03:41] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:41] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] macavity, sharks are fish [03:41] Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [03:41] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:41] err lf4 [03:42] edman007: i know [03:42] night fire|bird [03:42] Nick change: quasar -> Guest28534 [03:42] night lf4 [03:42] see ya macavity, edman007 [03:42] "Sharks (superorder Selachimorpha) are a type of fish with a full cartilaginous skeleton and a highly streamlined body. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark [03:42] edman007: yes I know sharks are fish but they are the only ones that have cartilage as a structure. [03:42] fire|bird, bye [03:42] lf4, ray are like that too [03:42] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [03:42] and they are not sharks [03:42] are you sure about that? [03:43] their fins should make the same kind of soup :P [03:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrichthyes <- fish with no "bones", "They are divided into two subclasses: Elasmobranchii (sharks, rays and skates) and Holocephali (chimaera, sometimes called ghost sharks, which are sometimes separated into their own class)." [03:43] edman007: :P haha fine if you want to get all technical. [03:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [03:44] ok.. so... when do we get to the part where we actually get to EAT them? [03:44] and actually, skates are seperate from rays too, so you have sharks, ghost sharks (not actually sharks), skates, and rays [03:44] Action: macavity is revunous [03:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:44] that looks like it was spelled wrong [03:44] Action: lf4 has macavity a cellery stick [03:44] macavity, well they are very high in Hg, and i'm not into fish...so i'm not a fan of eating shark [03:44] s/cellery/celery [03:45] Action: macavity beats lf4 with it [03:45] macavity, ravenous...i think [03:45] beaten with celery now thats just not nice. :P [03:45] edman007: oh, what a shame that we have ruined the oceans :-/ [03:45] edman007: i actually like fish.. that is: fresh fish [03:46] edman007: if fish taste or smell like fish it has gone bad :P [03:46] macavity, in general, the Hg content is almost directly related to the age of the fish when caught, so shrimp are very low and sharks tend to the the highest [03:46] I like sea food :) any type. [03:46] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:46] lf4: i only eat plants because my doctor say i have to.. and my wallet cant sustain my if i dont :P [03:46] i like shrimp, crab, and lobster :) [03:47] edman007: that kind of makes sense [03:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [03:47] but smoked salmon is nice too [03:47] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:47] ok, it is also nice if grilled [03:47] eal in bread crumbs is also a favorite [03:48] haha nice macavity i noticed with myself I eat the same amount($$$) in fruit and veg that I do with meats so its doesnt matter either way its the same finacial hit. [03:48] lf4: here in Denmark meat is a heck of a lot more expencive than potatoes... [03:49] lf4: i wouldnt mind eating about a pound of meat every day :P [03:49] macavity, but meat is much much more dense, so a pound of beef will last much longer than a pound of patatoes [03:49] yes [03:50] i usually get about half a pound of meat... and a shit load of rye bread and potatoes [03:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:50] haha awe now you guys are making me hungry [03:50] Action: edman007 bites macavity [03:50] macavity, your a little rare [03:50] bite me fanboi :P [03:50] i am very rare :P [03:51] in fact there is only one of me [03:51] Nick change: lf4 -> macavity2 [03:51] now there is two :) [03:51] you might even go as far as callining me unique ;-) [03:51] Nick change: edman007 -> macav1ty [03:51] eeeeek [03:51] or 3? [03:51] haha [03:51] I AM SPESHUL GODDAMMIT!!!! [03:52] I AM SPESHUL GODDAMMIT!!!! [03:52] ED [03:52] he left [03:52] i have never been cooked, so at least i can still be rare :P [03:52] lf4 here's real fo0d [03:52] thatll put you over the edge [03:52] gn [03:52] Nick change: macavity2 -> LF4 [03:52] Nick change: macav1ty -> edman007 [03:52] thank you :P [03:52] Oh I like Quiznos :) [03:53] lol [03:53] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: "SXEmacs - The Best A Geek Can Get - http://www.sxemacs.org/ or app-editors/sxemacs" [03:53] gone gn [03:53] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Action: edman007 toasts Quiznos [03:53] lol [03:53] Action: edman007 puts some PeanutHorst on Quiznos [03:53] ewww [03:53] i *always* read that as "SEXemacs - The Best A Geek Can Get" [03:54] Action: LF4 licks Quiznos [03:54] and i always think "and the only thing that geek will get!" [03:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:55] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [03:55] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:55] ohh, i flooded the peanut butter :( [03:55] anyhow.. i have some yoghurt and cheese/tomato chips from yesterday.. i think it is time for a snack :P [03:55] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:56] i wonder if those two go well together :P [03:56] macavity: I think the same for me... I have a few snacks here in a drawer somewhere. [03:56] Guest20258 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:56] macavity: try and let me know :) [03:56] i want a big two inch thick juicy stake [03:56] well i'm going to go to bed then [03:57] night edman007 [03:57] nn [03:57] Action: edman007 puts the stake in his fridge before bed [03:57] lol [03:57] antiwire, and my bed is on LAND [03:57] \3TATUK (n=chatzill@adsl-75-32-32-125.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] <\3TATUK> I'm trying to use stunnel but it hangs after "write client hello A", (i think i'm supposed to get a "read server hello A" after that)...any ideas? [03:57] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [03:58] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Guest28534 (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] PeanutHorst: Use pastebin.com [03:58] macavity, all that nick changing got me this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvLxkfOFnFc [03:59] its about you! [03:59] HAHAHA [04:00] yup [04:00] I think I see macavity at 1:00 [04:00] that is not a particular good setup thought [04:00] *though [04:00] ok.. the female's show a little boobage :P [04:01] just a little :) [04:01] LF4: i didn't flood. it was me trying to join a gazillion chans at once. [04:02] Oh a server flood haha even better [04:02] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:03] i do like the original london setup better [04:03] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [04:03] those chicks were fixer too.. without trying to be [04:04] haha [04:05] *foxier [04:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:07] ok.. this Broadway production *sucks* [04:08] the fight sceene doesnt even remotely look real [04:08] if anyone uses something like clientexec and shit [04:08] i'd suggest https://www.blesta.com/order/promo .. it's at a steal of a deal right now, $40 [04:09] best software ever [04:09] O_o [04:09] euzao (n=pedro@189.38.148.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:13] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] giuppy (n=giuppy@host241-132-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [04:16] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-118-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [04:25] O-> O-+ [04:25] Wescotte (n=wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] O_* [04:26] -_- ZZZzzz... [04:26] What sign is that? [04:26] ($-$) [04:26] that is the very special "LF4 is falling a sleep" sign :P [04:27] macavity: you got it :D [04:27] (_*_) [04:27] a [04:27] Haha [04:27] bellybutton? [04:27] ascii porn ftw! [04:27] hahahahaha [04:27] butt? [04:27] a bellybutton yeah sure you can think that. [04:27] you got it :P [04:28] (_o\ [04:30] and that would be? [04:30] e penis [04:30] a [04:30] sideviewed [04:30] 3=====o [04:30] 8=====D [04:31] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-118-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [04:31] ||| || | ||| || [04:31] macavity: mines bigger :P [04:31] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-118-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [04:31] that si the numeber and the mark of the beast [04:32] oh.. i thought it was the barcode on your GFs butt ;-) [04:32] I didn't know Beast had a barcode. [04:32] DDD the number of the Breast [04:32] VI VI VI the editor of the Beast [04:33] :)) [04:33] I thought that was emacs [04:33] oh god [04:33] not this argument again [04:34] look [04:34] emacs emacs emacs the editor of the GNU [04:34] haha [04:34] ... it just doesnt roll of the tongue, does it? [04:34] sxemacs owns your asses, it can emulate vi using viper-mode if you're retarded enough to prefer vi. [04:34] and it can * [04:34] its a tongue twister [04:34] sexmacs? [04:34] end of discussion ;) (sorry, i'm biased) [04:34] Action: PeanutHorst politely stabs macavity in the face [04:34] that sounds kinda gay [04:34] PeanutHorst: why emulate VI when you can get the real deal? [04:34] "the only a geek can ever get" and all that [04:35] macavity: It is gay.... Sexy Mac(as in the name). [04:35] Action: macavity hereby declare sxemacs gay [04:36] *declares [04:36] LF4: why use vi when you can have an editor that will function as a login shell and support an X session, even acting as the window manager [04:36] Action: LF4 seconds the vote [04:36] ... i wonder when i will actually learn english :P [04:36] PeanutHorst: that is not an editor.. that is an OS without the kernel [04:36] oh, right.. its emacs-derived [04:37] PeanutHorst: Because I already have a login shell and an X session, why would I want a editor to do that for me [04:37] man.. how many operating systems have emacs fathered? [04:37] *has [04:37] Orion: oh snap [04:37] (english is apparently a load harder than advertised) [04:37] lol whats orion? [04:37] my name [04:37] macavity: yes yes it is [04:37] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Orion is a star constellation [04:38] haha oh sorry Orion its late here :) [04:38] Orion is a cracking group :P [04:38] LF4: Orion is the name of a nebula, and a class of soviet wide-angle objective lenses [04:38] I like space [04:38] i insidently have friggles on my upper left arm in the pattern of Orion's Belt [04:38] I live in space [04:38] awesome [04:38] i live in peace [04:39] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [04:39] does that count? [04:39] macavity: your lucky [04:39] mIRCuser?!? [04:39] Keiffer: and STAY gone you traitor! :P [04:39] haha that explains the question about (_*_) [04:39] yup.. i live in peace [04:39] LOL [04:40] I love white russians [04:40] the drink [04:40] netflix needs to add more movies to their instant play. [04:40] Orion: and everything else [04:40] LF4: especially dirty ones [04:41] LF4: licensing issues I believe [04:41] macavity: na... I dont have an account (its the families haha don't want those showing up) :) [04:41] Orion: odd.. i love white russians in cheep motel rooms ;-) [04:41] Orion: Yeah I know [04:41] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.177) joined ##slackware. [04:42] macavity: ha, It makes me feel like The Dude [04:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.98) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:42] LF4: anyhow.. netflix probably even have the good stuff.. like the stuff you get at kink.com [04:42] I like any russians as long as they are pretty female and dont live in russa [04:42] *dont even [04:42] macavity: lol [04:43] ok, that was the WRONG plave to miss the "dont" part.. in the US that could probably get me sued :P [04:43] lol [04:43] lol [04:43] at least if you know what is at said site :P [04:45] but just to change the subject [04:45] have any of you seen the movie Taken? [04:45] macavity: yes, it is badass [04:45] nothing short of :-) [04:46] I don't compile much, should I be root when configuring, making, or make installing. (I'm guessing root as make install?) [04:46] it is the first time in a long time where i have seen a movie where the violence actually look like real violence [04:46] Orion: you should only be root when you run make install [04:46] HOWEVER [04:46] macavity: oh yea he doesn't fuck around in that movie [04:46] you might want to do "make DESTDIR=/tmp/my-package/ install" [04:47] oh? [04:47] then cd /tmp/my-package [04:47] YAY I just got my bank info and noticed today was payday :D *Is happy* [04:47] then makepkg -c y -l y my-package-whatever-1.2.3-i486-1Orion.tgz [04:48] Taken was a great movie :) [04:48] LF4: congrats.. it was payday here when i woke up :P [04:48] macavity: ah, to assist in package management [04:48] Orion: so you can actually remove the goob if you made a boo boo [04:48] macavity: well if I didn't work Grave shift lol it would have been that as well. [04:49] LF4: eek [04:49] LF4: wait.. your in the US, right? [04:49] Yeah I'm in +7GMT [04:50] okies.. so do you guys get money on the last bank day of the month, or the first? [04:51] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:51] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:51] macavity: I get paid biweekly [04:51] ah [04:51] So every other Friday :) [04:52] yeah.. it was like that when i worked in the industry [04:52] odd assed system [04:52] So technically haha my payday was "yesterday" but today is my friday. lol [04:52] I know I think its odd but oh well. [04:53] all expences are monthly [04:53] (except for hores, they are ad hoc) [04:53] Just get the pre-paid ones :) [04:53] macavity: thx man it worked like a charm [04:53] like a voucher? [04:54] macavity: yes haha with the punch card deals of buy 10 get one free :) [04:54] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [04:54] Orion: take apart a .SlackBuild and stick each "step" into its own script [04:54] Orion: they show how to get stripping and manpage compression right [04:55] macavity: i'll check that out thx a lot [04:55] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:56] Orion: i have "pkgstrip" and "pkgmangz" that works on $PWD like the sequences if you find in the .SlackBuilds [04:56] Orion: that makes it a 5 step operation to build a package [04:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:57] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.143) joined ##slackware. [04:57] untar, ./configure, make DESTDIR=/somewhere install, strip, compress manpages, create package [04:57] ah, 6 steps :P [04:57] macavity: so basically with these scripts I can simplify the process of what I just did. (just want to clarify, i'm not exactly sober) [04:58] just remmember, if it is no ./configure based you need to do a little magic to get the DESTDIR thingie to work [04:58] Orion: yes [04:59] Orion: you are using slackbuilds.org, right? [04:59] yes, if it is available [04:59] the package I want, I mean [05:00] Otherwise I just get the source [05:00] how you looked over the slackbuilds you have used from time to time? [05:00] heh, not really :/ [05:00] <--n00b [05:00] you should look over two or three then [05:01] then you will see that they follow the exact same pattern [05:01] great [05:01] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-118-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [05:01] .. and that you can easily cut the script up into smaller pieces and carry out those yourself [05:01] I will, obviously it's done you good [05:02] oh, i author .SlackBuilds on a regular basis :P [05:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.103) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Good stuff man, glad to be able to pick ur brain for awhile [05:04] if you want to get rid of the noob lable just get started with the URLs in the channel topic ;-) [05:04] really, slackbook is the swish army knife of a knowledge and hints [05:05] Action: LF4 I agree [05:05] also reading over the scripts in /etc/rc.d/* [05:05] that teaches you *quite* a bit about what the heck is going on [05:06] Great advice I didn't even know there was a slackbook :P [05:06] plus it teaches you a little about what quality shell scripts look like [05:06] But honestly I've learned more about linux in the days I've been using slackware then the months I've used other crap [05:06] keep it up [05:06] how old are you? [05:07] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-230-166.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:07] 20, a spring chicken [05:07] i was still clogging up my brain with weed when i was 20 :P [05:07] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-230-166.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] use the time where you learn fast wisely [05:08] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Connection timed out [05:08] macavity: Mind if I ask your age? :) [05:08] LF4: 31 [05:08] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:08] don't get me wrong I'm flying high [05:08] but I don't overdo it [05:08] plus I love linux 10x when i'm high, I like a challenge [05:08] i overdid it.. i smoke close to every day [05:09] *smoked [05:09] Wow [05:10] well.. now i only drink coffee and eat nicotin tabs :P [05:10] still havent layed those off yet [05:10] laid [05:10] macavity: meh I just quit smoking a few months ago [05:10] cigarettes [05:10] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Success [05:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:10] I never did any of that stuff. [05:10] ive been smoking no filter for 15 years [05:10] macavity: it sucks! [05:10] me also, 2 minutes ago [05:10] Orion: tell me about it :P [05:11] macavity: ouch I only smoked for a few years but I was hooked hard. 1 1/2 packs a day, 2 packs @ my worst [05:11] Orion: that is why i use a nicotin product.. first get rid of the habit, then do the cold turkey [05:11] yup.. same here [05:12] hand rolled silk cut viginia shag [05:12] macavity: oh yea I used the patch for a few weeks, it helped so much. I kept gum around for the emergency times and I still have some when shit hits the fan [05:12] i have these little micro tabs that you put under the tongue [05:12] macavity: wow that's over my head. I smoked camels :P [05:12] they bloody damn work [05:13] Oh yea, I've tried cold turkey before = me being giant asshole and 2 to 3 days of no smoking, then a pack a day again [05:13] lulz.. filter smokes were like ultra light somkes to me :P [05:14] macavity: dang how long have u been a non-smoker [05:15] i dont know.. about three weeks or so [05:15] my nails started turning blue every time i had a smoke... so i figured it was about time [05:16] Oh shit man I didn't realize you had just quit I wouldn't of talked about it so much [05:16] So thats where smurfs came from. [05:16] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:16] i dont care.. my nicotine product WORKS [05:16] I don't know how many times you have quit but 3 weeks is like the end of the worst for me [05:18] After that it was pretty smooth sailing, I even forgot to put on my patch at the 4 week mark, so I went cold turkey with no problems. I have smoked 2 cigarettes since then but fuck, no ones perfect. [05:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:20] wow new xorg-server [05:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:21] Hey the mIRC user is back :) [05:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:22] LF4: who and how can you tell? (SendQ exceeded)? [05:23] sahko: on -current? [05:23] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [05:23] [n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer] has joined ##slackware [05:23] lol [05:23] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:23] LF4: I fail, thx [05:23] Orion: No problem :) [05:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:23] Who would use MIRC in #slackware!? [05:24] Orion: some windows user I guess. [05:24] some people do just not get the idea behind Free Software :P [05:24] so they go and install wine so they can have all the apps they are used to [05:24] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Keiffer: QUIT jumping in and out like that.. [05:24] macavity: meh I use wine. I can't give up my counterstrike and EVE Online. [05:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:25] wintendo is another matter [05:25] it is not like there are native clients for those.. and games is a gray zone [05:26] macavity: yes, it will be a cold day in hell when I use wine to run something that has any GNU alt [05:26] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [05:26] macavity: especially something like IRC :) [05:27] Linux=Servers/terminals, Wincows=Games/media, Mac=Media Editing. Thats how it is in my mind. [05:28] macavity: no, not in -current.. [05:28] shOne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [05:29] LF4: Yes but here is the dilemma: I want to game, but I also don't want to throw up. Therfore I can't use windows. Don't even get me started on mac. My gf has a mac and I hate her every day a little more for using it. [05:29] shOne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [05:29] sahko: ? I'm in -current and I don't see any advatange to gaming [05:30] advantage* [05:30] Orion: Mac's now run Unix so they are alright. Oh and sahko is replying to macavity's question about the new xorg-server. [05:31] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Haha I just noticed this... read the requirements for RAID http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html [05:31] Wescotte (n=wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:32] After the requirements they state. "All of this is included as standard in most GNU/Linux distributions today." lol [05:32] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [05:32] LF4: Yes but I hate the mac interface. If it won't run xfce then it's crap. Plus I hate macs on principal. They are overpriced and do not perform any better than a significantly reduced priced pc. [05:33] couldn't agree more :) [05:33] I love how some macs are sold at 1000 bucks [05:33] Orion: haha now you have stated good arguments :) [05:33] they have a geforce 9200M... [05:33] too much hatred [05:34] Orion: ever heard about nlite for windows? [05:34] LF4: since i exclucively run free software i tend to disagree a little on that one :P [05:34] Camarade_Tux: some? most are over the $900 mark which makes me not want to get them lol. [05:34] macavity: I already tried to staple keiffer to the wall but he keeps on moving =/ [05:34] macavity: how? [05:34] LF4: I mean: the only one sold at about 1000 bucks [05:34] *SUCK* [05:34] :) [05:35] I would emplore you to find me a mac with a decent graphics card anywhere near $1000 [05:35] sorry, s/one/ones/ [05:35] LF4: i use GNU/Linux for everything.. and actually it works quite well [05:35] Camarde_Tux: No I haven't I shall research [05:35] Orion: see http://yaxm.org/wiki/perfs ;) [05:36] dazman (n=dazman@unaffiliated/dazman) joined ##slackware. [05:36] have you read the slackhammer thread over at lq.org? isn't it like... nonsense? [05:36] and while we are at Apple hardware prices.. last time i checkded "with decant processor models" kind of laptops, apple went in on par with the non-crappy laptop brands [05:36] .. like asus and lenovo [05:36] macavity: lol oh your talking about my list haha... well flash is not the best supported in linux and you cant beat the majority of games are wincows based and I just had to add mac's in there but didn't know what to give them so I stuck with the old "media editing" idea. [05:37] again, flash sucks hairy balls *EVERYWHERE* =) [05:37] Action: LF4 I own a Lenovo :) and love it haha i want to get an S10 netbook and run slackware on it. [05:37] LF4: people who do run proprietary software tell me that on current flash works all the time in both konqueror and ff [05:37] Camarade_Tux: lol true its a big pain. [05:37] macavity: using gnash? [05:37] no [05:38] gnash is still just a toy [05:38] macavity: interesting to know. :) I never ran current. [05:38] macavity: using macromedia's flash? or nothing? [05:38] you don't run current, current runs you [05:38] errr... [05:38] haha [05:38] Camarade_Tux: hence why I dont install it :) [05:39] swfdec is probably better than gnash [05:39] at least today [05:39] bah, google maps just drew Munchen in the middle of France! [05:39] Camarade_Tux: yup.. the binary crap from macromedia [05:39] LF4: nah, current is great [05:40] macavity: makes you cry at night too? ='( [05:40] i dont miss it [05:40] youtubedl.pl if i absolutely have to [05:40] Anyone use songbird? [05:40] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:40] whats that? [05:41] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:41] A ipod program [05:41] firefox ported to a music player :) [05:41] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [05:41] with additional memory requirements :D [05:41] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:41] eh I'm really just looking for a good music manager, doesn't have to be songbird, i'd actually prefer if it wasn't [05:41] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:42] LF4: for the iPod or to run *on* the iPod? [05:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:42] ciao a tutti [05:42] gesundheit [05:42] latez winterx [05:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:42] macavity: nothing to do with iPod, I didn't realized songbird was related to it [05:42] macavity: it runs on your computer [05:42] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:43] macavity: for the ipod kind of like itunes from what I heard people saying. [05:44] well what do you guys use to play your music [05:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host230-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:44] mplayer :D [05:44] pandora.com :P [05:44] amarok [05:44] songbird looks really great, and eats memory accordingly [05:44] though i am less happy with it in its new version [05:44] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Success [05:44] and cpu too [05:44] the old on just plain rocked [05:45] also for mp3's amarok [05:45] i use my file manager and pedantic directory structure + xine for movies [05:46] and the same (but in this case redundant) pedantic direcory structure + amarok for music [05:46] eh I hate kde [05:47] you seem to hate quite a bit :P [05:47] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:47] that will give you stomack burns if you keep it up [05:47] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:47] Keiffer: are you done comming and going every freaking 20 seconds now? [05:48] bah the stomach burns are from the chili dogs. I'll keep hating KDE thanks ;) [05:48] macavity: he's been doing that for days now [05:49] Orion: http://imagebin.org:80/57944 [05:49] look how nice and shiny [05:49] and it is instant fast on my modest laptop [05:50] macavity: hahaha, useless :D [05:50] meh what do I need with that memory eating junk [05:50] Camarade_Tux: but flashy [05:50] macavity: no bicubic filtering? [05:50] Orion: i am using 370MB as we speak [05:50] macavity: come on, this : http://omploader.org/vMXpqdg is way better! [05:50] macavity sorry [05:51] Some problems [05:51] I'm using 250MB with firefox opened ( ='( ) [05:51] winterx: i am on Intel 945GM, so what do you think? :P [05:51] Keiffer: we have noticed :P [05:51] oh [05:51] Camarade_Tux: u win [05:51] closed and reopened firefox, 215MB now :D [05:51] Orion: 8-) [05:52] seriously I hope to be as BA as u one day [05:52] but I dream [05:52] the black background is because I couldn't be bothered to change backgrounds twice a week :D [05:53] then, alsamixer: standard mixer, mplayer: best music player, and screen+irssi because god wants it [05:53] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if he killed macavity with his screenshot [05:55] Orion: dont dream.. just RTFM ;-) [05:56] Camarade_Tux: uhm... 1992 just called... they want their crap back ;-) [05:56] macavity: it's only the appearance ;) [05:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [05:57] noooo... that is what we have been hacking our asses off since the pinguin saw the light of day to get as fucking far away from as codingly possible :P [05:58] macavity: bah, I code ;) [05:58] and that's why I use something like that ;) [05:58] whats wrong with code [05:58] solve this: how to implement the mmap in a fuse based ftp fs? [05:59] Orion: there is nothing wrong with coding.. i do it all the time :P [05:59] the trouble with ftp fs is you're guaranteed to lose access when you don't want to [05:59] macavity: what do you use to code? [06:00] Camarade_Tux: kate and gcc :P [06:00] kate? ='( [06:00] join the vimers :p [06:00] ;) [06:00] kate is hands down the nicest editor i have ever used [06:00] and yes, i know emacs and vi too.. [06:00] I find it doesn't color properly [06:00] edit the color profile [06:01] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:01] eh vim is more productive if you learn it [06:01] its not like it saves them in a binary format ;-) [06:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:01] Orion: how many decades have you been using GNU/Linux again? [06:01] macavity: actually I have troubles using modeless-editing now [06:02] been there :P [06:02] hitting esc all the time [06:02] nah, hitting 'i' from time to time ;p [06:02] modeless? [06:02] oh no, I see what you meant ;) [06:02] yeah, I hit esc too in firefox [06:03] lol [06:03] but the worst part is when I typing and press ^W ='( [06:03] closes the tab >< [06:03] we'd need :q in browsers [06:03] haha Camarade_Tux I've done that many times and know how you feel. [06:03] when i moved to kate i would occationally hit esc right after i had typed :x! and it actually showed up in the document :P [06:03] LF4: vi* has two/three modes: insert, edit, and maybe visual [06:04] modeless it when there is none [06:04] macavity: 0 decades, that doesn't mean that I don't know coding [06:04] macavity: it's mostly ':w' for me ;p [06:04] Camarade_Tux: Thanks :) I understood after macavity's comment about hitting esc lol [06:04] Orion: my point being that this whole "this or that editor makes you more productive" argument is just plain old to me [06:05] Orion: i have used all the major editors, and half the minor ones, and i still maintain that for my style of working kate is optimal [06:05] macavity: to each his own [06:06] It all comes down to personal preference :) [06:06] yep [06:06] Orion: and i am apparetnly not alone.. kate is actually a plugin that fits into many other kde apps, and since most of KDE is done in KDevelop, i know that at least a high bunch of the KDE developers think the same :P [06:06] except emacs -_- [06:06] no.. i have seen those emacs-fu wizards [06:07] macavity: kate has a vi input mode now. Don't know if it's in kde 4.2 already though [06:07] yeah, I know, but I don't like it :D [06:07] macavity: you'll just have to excuse me I won't anything with a k in front of the name ;) [06:07] pressing Ctrl all the time hurts my pinky [06:07] pprkut: i am not surprised :P [06:07] heh [06:07] Orion: kernel? :D [06:07] Camarade_Tux: ;) [06:07] haha [06:07] Orion: ive observed... all i can say is: get some hardware from this milinium ;-) [06:07] Action: macavity ducks [06:08] whoa what is this talk about hardware now? [06:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-26-82-254-117-84.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] btw.. i need to go shopping for a wicd frontend for kde [06:08] that GTK thingie really cramps my style [06:08] hmmm, btw, still looking for someone too tell me why I shouldn't buy and amd phenomII x4 945 [06:08] macavity: heh I won't bait. I have a decent sys but I like minimalism. [06:08] Camarade_Tux: you should... it is a good bang for the buck [06:09] and no, I don't want to do video encoding with that machine [06:09] macavity: yeah, I'm trying to get more opinions and I know there are several anti-amd people here :D [06:09] pprkut: btw, I've add the magic thing to my kernel command-line because I wasn't able to unload the kernel module >< [06:10] Camarade_Tux: i am one of them.. but it is not AMDs chips per se [06:10] I like AMD, who says its bad? [06:10] Camarade_Tux: it is the crappy chipsets under neath.. [06:10] i cant STAND via and nforce [06:10] ppl what is the most recomended strip size in one array with raid 5 ? [06:11] 42 :) [06:11] but yes.. if i have the dole for it, it will be a Core i7 next time :P [06:11] OpenSys: Not sure yet... I haven't set up my RAID5 system. [06:11] macavity: too expensive and I'm not sure it will be that mucher better for compiling/serving [06:11] LF4, ok :) [06:12] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:12] Core i7's aren't that great... lol I helpped my roommate build a system with one. [06:12] Camarade_Tux: from the benchmarks i have seen it looks like it pwns for compiling [06:12] LF4: i agree [06:12] the i7 shows an impressive improvement in the multimedia field and only an average one otherwise, and that's that "otherwise" that I'll be doing [06:12] use opterons [06:12] macavity: have such a benchmark, where, where, where? :D [06:12] opterons are pretty expensive too =/ [06:13] CINEBENCH is good [06:13] Camarade_Tux: Yep thats what he wanted a video editing system so I told him i7 :) [06:13] and I'm not sure they'd be faster than a quad-core :D [06:13] LF4: :) [06:13] cant we all go back to good old 286's? [06:13] My 1987's 286 still runs great lol. [06:14] "run" might be a bit of an exageration, dont you think? [06:14] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] exist [06:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] crawl? [06:14] Orion: lol exist? [06:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [06:15] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] 8088 -> ass, 8086 -> good, 80186 -> ass, 80286 -> ass, 80386 -> good [06:15] maxote: and 486? [06:15] very good [06:16] Haha i see [06:16] LF4: Now would be a good time to ignore me. 2 scotches, 1 white russian, 2 glasses of wine and 1 bowl after 2 weeks of sobriety = a idiot [06:16] LF4: I decided to party with slacky tonight! :( [06:16] Action: LF4 sets ignore to Orion... :P [06:16] Oh haha how nice. [06:16] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] 89186.. those we embedded chips.. [06:17] Camarade_Tux: hehe, I haven't had any problems with that so far. Touchpad working fine now :) [06:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Orion: so how is the party? lol [06:19] *80186 [06:19] LF4: Shit I can't complain. [06:20] pprkut: touchpad was off yesterday and I couldn't solve it so from now onward, I'll use that ;) [06:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:23] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:28] goggles seems decent [06:28] as a music manager/player' [06:29] yep [06:29] the only thing is that it uses fltk and I've been to lazy to build it [06:29] yea it took like 2 seconds, its on slackbuilds [06:30] when I first read about google, I was on slamd64 I think, maybe it even had a slamd64build but I don't know [06:30] now I use mplayer :D [06:30] it even works when I fscked up my X :) [06:31] mplayer is nice how you can do it from CLI. [06:39] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:40] bah, I'm looking for a home next year and it takes tiiiime ='( [06:40] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:41] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [06:42] and I'll never be able to visit the places since I won't be there during the week [06:43] That stinks [06:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.36) joined ##slackware. [06:44] RedBlade7 (i=yourmom@24.102.181.175.res-cmts.mlf.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:47] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:48] well, I have at least 20 possible different places but it's still annoyi_ng [06:55] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:00] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:03] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] I hate that! now everything I read "sdb" which stands for "salle de bain"/bathing room, I understand it as in /dev/sdb! [07:03] ok.. we finally have proof.. btrfs IS pronounced butter-eff-ess [07:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:04] proof? where? [07:04] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:05] or "butt, errr, fesse" :) [07:05] (fesse is the french for butt ;) )" [07:05] anyone here uses maltego? [07:07] RedBlade7 (i=yourmom@24.102.181.175.res-cmts.mlf.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [07:07] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [07:11] http://lwn.net/Articles/342892/ [07:11] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] it is actually from "Btree FS" [07:11] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:13] yeah, but that doesn't mean you should pronounce it butter fs :D [07:14] i always read that as "better fs", until i found out the "butter" thing [07:14] FTA "You probably have heard of the cool new kid on the file system block, btrfs (pronounced "butter-eff-ess") - " [07:15] ok :) [07:15] alice_c (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:15] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:17] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:18] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [07:18] this makes me want to try btrfs on my / partition :P [07:18] screw if it blows up.. /home is on jfs :P [07:19] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] you know, if you don't care about your computer, I can take it :) [07:20] (be sure to use latest git if you do) [07:20] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:22] naturally [07:25] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [07:27] christian (i=590f956f@gateway/web/freenode/x-qltvwwfxpphgmreh) joined ##slackware. [07:27] hello [07:27] hi christian [07:27] morning [07:27] hi Camarade_Tux ;) [07:27] morning fredoslack :) [07:29] rworkman: i've tested your xorg-testing packages, they work very well with the stock kernel 2.6.29.6-smp, they're working very well [07:30] i've got an intel 945gme graphic chip [07:30] and now i can play torcs very well :-), with the normal packages in -current impossible [07:32] rworkman: thanks for your work :-) [07:34] I am running rworkman's packages including the intel 2.8.0 driver on this eeepc 1000h I am typing on right now, and it is working 100% satisfactory [07:36] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [07:37] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] same here [07:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] hey Pig_Pen [07:44] \3TATUK (n=chatzill@adsl-75-32-32-125.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceweasel 3.0.6/2009072221]" [07:44] hmmm, eggs, flour, milk and sugar, I know what I'm going to eat \o/ [07:45] Zaba_ (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) joined ##slackware. [07:45] (this is approximately all that is left here, lucky combination :) ) [07:45] hi LF4 [07:45] Zaba (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:45] Pig_Pen: How is everything going? [07:46] doing good, how about you? LF4 [07:46] I'm doing alright just waiting for work to end. lol [07:47] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774C4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.103) left irc: "Leaving." [07:50] wait 160; echo DUPAH [07:50] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-212-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Hello :-) [07:51] hi [07:59] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] alloha [08:08] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [08:14] .win 15 [08:14] bah :) [08:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Could you please assist me in order to find something like rc.conf where I could change my hostname? I cannot find it, I'm really stumped [08:18] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:20] hostname? [08:21] Punker: I think they meant domainname. [08:23] Punker: /etc/HOSTNAME [08:23] thanks :-) [08:23] damn, seems OK, it's a kde related problem with slackware :-( [08:23] Punker: however, the the hostname(1) manpage should probably give you a more convenient interface [08:24] Punker: why dont you descibe you problem instead :P [08:25] macavity, well, seems that it's getting crashed on 'Initalizing system services'. I'm having a look at google but nothing suits me. I cannot run it as normal user... xfce works by the way. I've been looking for an error and I saw something related to fonts.dir and cannot connect X server to localhost:0 [08:26] Thats a display issue. localhost:0 is refering to the local computer with display 0 [08:27] Punker: what groups is you regular user member of? [08:27] Punker: type "groups" when logged in as punker [08:27] Punker: and give the output here... [08:28] LF4: i bet my ass that he is not a member of video [08:28] That was ok afaik, "users floppy audio video cdrom haldaemon plugvdev power scanner" [08:28] I checked this yesterday here and they related me to #kde [08:28] oh [08:28] are you on 12.2 or -current? [08:28] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] 12.2 [08:28] macavity: lol looks like you just lost your read end. :) [08:28] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Action: macavity scratches head [08:29] Action: LF4 scratches butt to spite macavity :P [08:29] haha [08:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:30] bite me :P [08:30] Punker: is there another user on the system that you can attempt to run KDE with? [08:30] macavity: where? :) [08:31] LF4: where it smells funny.. [08:31] greetings Punker. any hints from the #kde crowd? [08:31] LF4, nope, just root. May I try it? [08:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:31] slackytude, no one answers :-( [08:31] adduser testuser [08:31] greetins ;-P [08:31] Punker: run the command macavity just said. [08:32] alright [08:32] uhm, the KDE people are probably not there untill about 3-5hours from now [08:32] anyways.. it is probably at this hour i should stop attempting to give support.. ive been up for 20 hours [08:32] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." [08:33] wow macavity I'm almost there. [08:33] Same error [08:33] lol at fnord0 [08:34] anyhow.. time to hit the sack [08:34] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left ##slackware. [08:35] Punker: you tried starting KDE with the testuser account? [08:35] LF4, yes, and same happened :-( [08:36] Can you pastebin the error you're getting when attempting to startx? [08:36] NB: it's 2:30pm macavity's time :p [08:37] LF4, the error is not with X [08:37] we have been throught that [08:37] slackytude: Oh ok [08:37] slackytude! \o/ [08:37] stuff like xfce works [08:37] its the KDE services that crash upon KDE start [08:38] We could try to tell XFCE to start KDE services as well and we would see the same [08:38] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [08:38] The problem here is that I dont know where KDE logs its crashes or what services it tries to start [08:38] I hoped for the people in #kde to give some answer [08:38] slackytude: makes sense, well I dont run KDE so if its that problem I'm no help. [08:38] y0 Camarade_Tux [08:39] Punker, just to amuse me, what happens if you try to start dcopserver [08:40] esb_ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Well I got an error about DCOP slackytude IIRC [08:40] I'll check it now [08:41] slackytude, nothing happens, all OK with 'dcopserver' [08:42] try to start kde from the user you started dcopserver [08:42] Punker, you got an error about DCOP? [08:42] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:43] slackytude, nope, my wrong [08:44] slackytude, 'startkde' or 'startx'? [08:44] Punker, startkde should do it [08:45] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:45] That was the error I meant: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! [08:45] should I pastebin it? [08:45] no. [08:45] running xfce? [08:45] like LF4 said I'm afraid it could be a display error since I was doing some tests before [08:45] Punker, when did you get that error? [08:46] spook, xfce works fine, KDE not (at least as normal user) [08:46] Punker: not what i meant, but listen to what these guys are saying [08:46] slackytude, while running 'startkde' kdeinit: $DiSPLAY is not set. Warning: connect() failed: No such file or directory | kmserver: cannot connect to X server, and then DCOP issue [08:47] Punker, thats happens when you do startkde from commandline, wothout X running? [08:48] slackytude, I guess so, no X running [08:49] Punker, unsure here. use xwmconfig, select kde and try startx [08:49] heh [08:49] by issuing startkde, I managed to get kde stuff loaded on top of my xfce [08:49] that kinda sucks [08:49] esb_ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [08:50] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [08:50] Done, and same crash [08:50] excuse, gotta restart xfce [08:50] Punker, is this 12.2 or -current/13.0-rc1 ? [08:50] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774C4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] TwinReverb: 12.2 [08:51] it stops at 'kbuildsycoca running....' btw I get this error xset: bad font path element (#422) possible causes are: Direcotry does not exist or has wrong permissions, Directory missing fonts.dir. Incorrect font server address or syntax [08:51] does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? [08:51] TwinReverb, 12.2. It does, I can run KDE as root [08:51] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774C4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] ok, as your user, when you login, type "pwd" and press the enter key [08:51] Punker, so, same crash as always? [08:52] slackytude, yes. it stops at 'kbuildsycoca running....' btw I get this error xset: bad font path element (#422) possible causes are: Direcotry does not exist or has wrong permissions, Directory missing fonts.dir. Incorrect font server address or syntax [08:52] the font stuff aint bad [08:52] ok, then nothing else is shown afaik [08:53] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Punker, you have a file called .xsession-erros in your home by change? [08:53] sounds an awful lot like a permissions problem [08:53] like permissions with home [08:54] slackytude, yes [08:54] Punker, try to pastebin that somewhere [08:54] i noticed an odd bug with kde-3.5.10 lately, if i delete ~/.kde and log in to to kde you would expect kde to rebuild the configs in ~/.kde but it hangs, i fould that if i remove the nvidia driver and adjust xorg.conf to use the generic nv driver it wont hang up trying to load, so now anytime i remove the user's ~/.kde i have to run --uninstall on the nvidia driver before i log in and reinstall the nvidia driver afterwards then it works [08:54] Might be TwinReverb , but I installed slack 3 days ago [08:55] oh he's using the nvidia driver? [08:55] nevermind [08:55] Punker, also try running kybuildsycoca on commandline to see what messages it produces [08:55] I've got nvidia [08:56] where do i find icons in my system? [08:56] Chakravanti, /usr/share/pixmaps [08:56] /usr/share/icons [08:56] ty [08:57] Punker: you might want to try that: run --uninstall on the nvidia driver then adjust xorg.conf to use the generic nv driver and log in to kde to let kde build the user profile config files, then log out and reinstall the nvidia driver [08:58] Action: slackytude is afk [08:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] OK slackytude , cya later, thx for help [09:00] Pig_Pen, I'll try now [09:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.8) joined ##slackware. [09:00] tha nks :-) [09:01] sure, np [09:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:03] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:03] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Pig_Pen , btw you had the same error also? [09:05] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:06] how do i make my panels meet instead of overlap in xfce? [09:07] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [09:07] i never looked for an error messages, it would just hang (indefinitly if i let it) and not let kde completely load [09:07] ok :-= [09:09] it was a repeatable and constistent bug, i have two desktops with nvidia vid cards with the same setup = slackware-12.2 & kde & nvidia's driver and both would hang until i removed the nvidia driver and adusted xorg.conf to use the generic nv driver, then once i logged in to kde once to build the kde user profile config files in ~/.kde i could log out and install the nvidia driver and it would not cause the problem hanging [09:11] Action: slackytude bäck [09:12] Pig_Pen, this happens even to newly created users [09:12] You're right. It's working right now [09:12] oy, nifty [09:12] yo slackytude wb ^^ [09:12] so it's a compatibility bug... isn't it? :/ [09:13] so you in kde now? [09:13] yes i am [09:13] nice ^-^ [09:13] Pig_Pen, funky stuff Pig_Pen [09:13] afternoon all [09:13] I uninstalled nvidia driver like Pig_Pen said and work. I'm gonna reinstall it and see what happens [09:13] Thx you again Pig_Pen :-) [09:13] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] well, my oldest son has his own account on the PC in the office and he screws up his kde settings on occasion and i showed him how to delete ~/.kde and log back in to rebuild a stock kde setting and that is when i discovered it [09:13] it didn't happen to me, i have kde, but i switched to xfce before intalling my nvidia drivers [09:13] Reav___ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:14] it did not hang like that before so i think it started with one of the newer nvidia drivers that was released this year [09:14] but if i startxed kde i'd probably run into this? [09:14] Chakravanti: you'll want to go in to the xcvf menu and change the snap setting (it should have been defaulted to 10px). [09:15] its nothing fatal, at least i found a work-around [09:15] Might be ;/ [09:16] I'm not seeing that option LF4 [09:17] Chakravanti: Let me see if I can find it. [09:18] Chakravanti: try it to see if it does it on yours, dont delete ~/.kde just rename it to ~/notkde and log in to kde and see if it hangs while building a new ~/.kde if it does then delete the new ~/.kde and rename the ~/notkde back to ~/.kde [09:18] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.12.41) joined ##slackware. [09:18] sure np [09:19] this is with 12.2 & kde-3.5.10, it wont be the same with -current [09:19] where are you P.Volkerding :} [09:19] <3 <3 [09:19] christian (i=590f956f@gateway/web/freenode/x-qltvwwfxpphgmreh) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [09:20] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:20] 12.2/3/5 [09:20] 3.5 [09:20] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Any ideas why if I open a tcp connection to 127.0.0.1 on a certain machine, the source IP is eth0's ip, not lo ? [09:21] eg "ssh 127.0.0.1 who" shows a connection from eth0's ip [09:21] fred, no, sorry :( [09:22] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-26-82-254-117-84.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] Pig_Pen, slackytude , thanks for your help, it's really working. [09:22] Chakravanti: Are you having issues with xfce or kde? [09:22] cool [09:23] i don't use kde [09:23] Pig_Pen, So I guess I would have to do this every time I create a new user or am I wrong? [09:23] brb [09:23] or maybe copy your ~/.kde to /etc/skel and when you add a new user they will get a copy of that working .kde [09:23] haha ok i saw Pig_Pen mention KDE to you so I was a little confused. [09:23] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:24] oh, nm, I'm an idiot [09:25] (an over-zealous -j MASQUERADE) [09:26] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] no problems [09:26] Pig_Pen, alright, I not know if you asked my to remove or rename ~ ./kde but I didn't. Anyway it worked. Thx [09:26] Punker, I live to serve [09:26] lol :-P [09:26] but i have old legacy card [09:26] so maybe not the same [09:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:27] Punker, anyway, glad your issue is settled. go over #kde and leave a nasty comment or so [09:27] "< slackytude> Punker, I live to serve", I won't forget that sentence :D [09:27] Camarade_Tux, however, I dont live to serve you [09:28] :P [09:28] as long as you like it :) [09:28] rworkman: x-server 1.6.3 built + working here :> [09:28] yeah no, i am in Xfce. The panels overlap each other in one cover because i have my app buttons on one the right side and programs on top [09:28] Chakravanti: i have a nvidia 8400 with the natest driver [09:28] Camarade_Tux, you deceided with your mp3 player thingy? [09:28] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.143) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [09:28] lol slackytude [09:28] slackytude: wait a minute, doing pancakes :D [09:28] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:28] Chakravanti: what version of xfce are you running? [09:28] Action: fred needs beer and sleep :( [09:28] thrice`: oooo you beat robby to the punch line? [09:28] 4 [09:28] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.143) joined ##slackware. [09:28] bbl, eat time :-) [09:29] thumbs: maybe he's still sleeping :) [09:29] 4.4.3 [09:29] thrice`: so you cheated :( [09:29] hey, it came out yesterday [09:29] Chakravanti: have you checked this site out? http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfwm4 [09:30] Chakravanti: Look at the Advanced settings section it talks about window snapping to borders and other windows. [09:30] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [09:32] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) joined ##slackware. [09:33] okay [09:33] i enabled window to window [09:33] the other alreayd was [09:33] doesnt change [09:33] the panels are still overlapped [09:33] what does window management properties have to do with panels overlaping anyway? [09:33] i thought they were seperate apps? [09:34] Camarade_Tux, just got some cidre [09:34] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [09:34] Can you take a screen shot of what is going on Chakravanti ? [09:35] what is that again? it doesnt seem to be working [09:35] the printscreen [09:35] Yes printscreen [09:35] how [09:35] there's this key on your keyboard.... [09:35] which does nothing [09:36] it puts image in clipboard [09:36] you probably want to start a clibboard app [09:36] ah [09:36] slackytude: a friend of mine is english and has family living there who might also come to France so I'll probably buy from uk [09:36] thanks anyway [09:36] :) [09:36] Chakravanti: open up GIMP and paste lol :) [09:36] oh, and I want cidre! [09:36] Camarade_Tux, no prob [09:37] Camarade_Tux, tasty [09:37] slackytude: like my pancakes? =) [09:37] Camarade_Tux, who knows? you mean Crepes` [09:37] ? [09:38] Camarade_Tux, Id probably kept the thing meself anyway ^-^ [09:38] where do i find a clipboard app? [09:38] slackytude: crepes of course ;) [09:38] slackytude: :P [09:38] Chakravanti: do you have KDE? [09:38] yeah [09:38] right click on some panel, add new item, select clipman [09:38] thumbs: they are running xfce [09:38] i have kde [09:38] LF4: ah. [09:39] but i am using xfce [09:39] Chakravanti: it would be useless for what we are trying to do, if you start KDE and take a screenshot [09:39] trying to not use kde [09:39] right click on some panel, add new item, select clipman [09:39] next install will be iwthout it [09:39] dont see that on the list [09:40] O_o [09:40] just use gimp to take friggin screenshot [09:40] tried [09:40] says nothing is in the clipboard [09:40] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.12.41) left ##slackware. [09:40] No, in gimp file-> screenshot [09:41] or import? :D [09:41] Chakravanti: do you have ksnapshot installed? [09:41] xpain takes screenshots too [09:42] open a terminal, and do "import -window root ~/ss.png [09:42] yeah, import is nice as well [09:42] && optipng ~/ss.png [09:42] :) [09:42] got it..one minute [09:42] Action: LF4 wonders how difficult it has gotten to take a simple screenshot :D haha [09:42] use ksnapshot from terminal =) [09:42] well [09:42] yay [09:43] it might be my keyaboard [09:43] LF4, yeah [09:44] LF4: as thrice` said, import does that nicely ;) [09:44] or scrot if you want [09:45] http://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-ubuntu-linux [09:45] Camarade_Tux: true lol [09:45] w0w [09:45] nice thing about import is if you dont give it a window. just import foo.png [09:46] will give you a crosshair mouse cursor to select a region [09:46] i can do ss in ubuntu [09:46] i think it's xfce [09:46] not hotkeyed or something to print screen [09:46] slackytude: true :) I like ksnapshot for the desktop/window/selection parts. [09:47] Chakravanti: yeah its not I noticed. [09:47] xpaint's screenshot function also lets you delimit a region :) [09:47] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [09:47] Action: Chakravanti adds one more thing to the list of todo tweaking [09:48] well, gimp does that as well [09:50] Action: Camarade_Tux ate too many crepes [09:50] when i woke up this morning my home server was frozen. it didn't respond to the ps2 keyboard. i tried to ssh in and found out that it didn't respond to the network either. [09:50] gremlins again [09:50] how would i find out what crashed/froze/happened? [09:51] reading through logs, checking atime on files [09:51] it didn't have hardly anything running...just enough for sshd, dtach(like screen), and irssi [09:52] http://s458.photobucket.com/albums/qq305/paradoxfox93/?action=view¤t=snapshot1.png [09:52] http://s458.photobucket.com/albums/qq305/paradoxfox93/?action=view¤t=toppanel.png [09:52] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] slackytude: what logs would i look in? [09:53] /var/log/messages? [09:53] the panels overlap in the corner [09:53] i've gotten around this by making the corner tile both the 'show desktop' function [09:53] so no matter which one is on top it functions the same [09:54] it's not critical...but it's really annoying =) [09:54] zaltekk, /var/log/syslog but your chances are slim [09:54] becuase if it didnt do that I would set it otherwise [09:54] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:54] brb [09:54] coffee/smoke [09:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:56] Chakravanti, dude that is the ugliest implementation of xfce i've ever seen lol [09:56] zaltekk: I'd say it could have been a hardware issue. [09:57] Im betting on gremlins [09:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:57] yesyes_ (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:58] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Chakravanti: You could try to set both panels on the same layer. http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-position [10:00] I'm off work now :) Yay lol now for a 4hr drive for the weekend. [10:00] Have a great day everyone. :) [10:00] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-24-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:00] dartmouth - i've spent very little time configuring it [10:01] i'm setting up my functionality before i make it look good [10:01] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] that and...i value functionality a lot more than the way it looks [10:02] Chakravanti, no matter how I set my panels, they dont overlap [10:03] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-61.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Chakravanti, its an outdated mode of thinking to believe one interferes with the other now [10:04] of course, I'm one to talk, I use ion3 [10:04] dartmouth - like i said im wokring out functionality...setting up icons and programs etc. i just started using slackware [10:05] Chakravanti - like i said its outdated thinking to say one supersedes the other now [10:05] well...as you can see...i havent even gotten around to selecting a background [10:05] ya [10:06] what kind of gfx card are you using? [10:06] it's not that i am prefering functionality to visual appeal so much as i just havent gotten around to workign on the visual aspect yet [10:06] old nvidia [10:06] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [10:06] geforece fx 5200 [10:07] i cant find this panel settings menu [10:07] and the help files directions to getting to it make no sense [10:08] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.12.41) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Chakravanti, go to settings [10:08] yes [10:08] Xfce Settings Manager [10:08] ok [10:08] there should be an icon labeld Panel [10:08] yup [10:08] panel manager [10:08] not panel settings [10:09] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:10] I wasnt aware there is a GUI for that. panel settings are stored in some files /xfce4/panel/panels.xml [10:11] well this link says there is [10:11] the manual [10:11] http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-position [10:11] thats for version 4 [10:12] file://localhost/usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfce4-panel.html#panel-getting-started-configure [10:12] duh [10:12] wrong adress [10:12] you got panel version 4.4 [10:13] yeah [10:13] there is no documentation for 4.4 [10:14] /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfce4-panel.html [10:14] just click on help [10:15] still nothing here about layers [10:17] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:29] hi [10:30] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-26-82-159.nrth.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] pragma_ (n=pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [10:32] User62 (i=User@ewka001.net.autocom.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:32] User62 (i=User@ewka001.net.autocom.pl) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] dazman (n=dazman@unaffiliated/dazman) left irc: "ugh." [10:33] well fuck this makes no sense [10:33] why are there packages in slackbuild when the dependancies arent present? [10:33] glibmm needs sgic++-2.0 [10:33] no sigc [10:34] you fail, sir [10:34] well shit i've run into too many brick walls this moring [10:34] tell me about it [10:34] majorly [10:34] but only for now [10:34] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libsigc++/ [10:34] from the glibmm readme: [10:34] This requires libsigc++ (also available from SlackBuilds.org) [10:34] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.12.41) left irc: "leaving" [10:34] libsigc++ [10:35] lol [10:35] well it called it sigc [10:35] not libsigc [10:35] so i search for sigc.. [10:35] major fail [10:35] lol [10:35] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=sigc&sv=12.2 [10:35] ty [10:35] that brings up libsigc++ too [10:35] yeah i was searching through sbopkg [10:36] not slackbuilds.org [10:36] O.o [10:36] next time i'll be more thorough in my searches [10:36] some advise, when the glibmm says "you will need to build libsigc++ first" , it usually isn't lying [10:36] =P [10:36] well i didnt think it was [10:36] sigc in sbopkg will also yeild libsigc [10:36] lol [10:36] but it didnt say it need libsigc [10:37] it said it needed sigc++-2.0 [10:37] yes it did! I just copy/pasted [10:37] hey [10:37] no, the glibmm readme from slackbuilds.org clearly does [10:37] i said i was using sbopkg =p [10:37] the readme is the same [10:37] and i mean the error i got while it was installing [10:37] it's good now [10:37] you made things right for me =) [10:37] it didnt for me [10:38] of course, but to avoid this in the future, it's good to understand [10:38] said nothing was found [10:38] want me to make a screenshot of sbopkg showing the line thrice` quoted [10:38] :P [10:38] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] yeah well [10:38] you can't get your panels to overlap either [10:38] lol [10:38] j/k [10:38] lol [10:38] the fcc/iphone thing makes me smile :) [10:38] me as well [10:38] sbopkg simply is a wrapper, it uses the exact same files that are on slackbuilds.org [10:39] i wasnt talking about the readme [10:39] you werent reading it [10:39] i was talking about the dependancy error i got that [10:39] just went to build [10:39] Hi there :-D [10:39] that's my point. you should generally read the README first :) [10:39] maybe the names should be changed to "PLEASE_README" [10:40] or, "NO,RLY_README" [10:40] PRETTY_PLEASE_README [10:40] okay [10:40] yes i should read the readme [10:40] anyway, glad its working :) [10:40] aye [10:40] i am [10:40] and ubuntard [10:41] expected the package manager to handle dependancies [10:41] *thwap* [10:41] Chakravanti, lol [10:41] I_LL_HIDE_THE_PROGRAM_UNTIL_YOU_READ_ME [10:41] :> [10:41] Action: Camarade_Tux slaps Chakravanti for his own good [10:41] no desert til you eat your readme [10:41] ubuntu hides alot, slackware doesnt [10:42] yes it does [10:42] although [10:42] to be fair [10:42] yeah, with slackware the penguins are completely naked :) [10:42] Chakravanti: press ENTER less often :) [10:42] yea Camarade_Tux lol [10:42] one reason i'm switching to slackware is to educazte myself more about linux [10:42] Chakravanti, Im betting you aready know a lot more ^-^ [10:42] Chakravanti: great :) going OK so far? [10:42] i'm learnign a few things [10:43] i learned that i do truly loathe KDE [10:43] it's not as challenging as many people think [10:43] heh [10:43] but that i had prematurely judged xfce [10:43] it's not so bad [10:43] Chakravanti: im a xfce fan [10:43] subperb desktop [10:43] Im gonna try out kde again with 13 [10:43] switching from ubuntu to slackware is easier than going from windows to slackware though [10:43] like [10:43] a LOT easier [10:44] slackware was my first distro [10:44] me too :( [10:44] back when dinosaurs roamed the earth [10:44] i couldnt even imagine trying to teach slackware to someone who has never used linux before [10:44] mine was opensuse [10:44] actually, I might have tried RH9 first [10:44] then I tried to load ubuntu livecds several times, on several computers and several different versions, no combination worked correctly :D [10:44] slackytude, one Q please? :-P ... after all ... do you think it's a KDE //bug// or nvidia one? [10:45] yeah but ubuntu is great because it automates a lot of the packaging process. This makes it easier for first time users to efectively navigate and use linux [10:45] bah, put cygwin/msys on windows, slackware will be easy [10:45] I liked the first couple versions of ubuntu, before they tried to do everything for you. it used to be a pretty good gnome distro [10:45] Punker, both might be at fault but KDE shouldnt hang/crash on unexpected results or be more verbose about it [10:45] it IS an easy for step for those who want to switch to linux [10:45] yeah [10:46] i agree they have been overstepping some boundries [10:46] iirc, first thing I did with opensuse was not to follow what yast wanted :) [10:46] Chakravanti, yeah, ubuntu isnt all that bad. just not for me [10:46] like...automatic updates [10:46] slackytude, I was considering to report it, I'm not sure at all .. :/ [10:46] Camarade_Tux, a grave mistake, yast knows best [10:46] leave that fucking bullshit to windows tyvm lol [10:46] Punker, please do [10:46] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-14-237-128.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:46] slackytude: I don't know if it knows best but it has the power to crash in the middle of the installation :p [10:46] slackytude, I will.. in nvidia.. I guess [10:47] bitter beer is disgusting [10:47] Camarade_Tux, you cannot fight against yast, just submit to it requests [10:47] after all it's between kde-nvidia [10:47] spook: let me guess, it's bitter? :D [10:47] when something automatically pops up to download a bunch of shit and out of nowhere prompts me for my password to do so when id idnt click on shit except the video game i was in the middle of playing that such updates completely interrupted me from... [10:47] i tend to think i have a virus... [10:47] Camarade_Tux: good work. [10:47] Punker, well, it might already be done and over with in kde 4 [10:47] slackytude: yeah, I understood that, it kept on crashing when I was trying to get my set of packages [10:47] Action: slackytude easts [10:48] eats [10:48] easts! [10:48] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-250-248.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:48] I think it didn't enjoy that I remake *ALL* its dependency list :) [10:48] spook: 8-) [10:48] slackytude, Maybe I should check it out with KDE4 then.. ? [10:48] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.158.251) joined ##slackware. [10:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.117) joined ##slackware. [10:51] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl9-245-110.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Punker, that means updating to 13 [10:51] o/ good evening [10:52] oh, wow.. [10:52] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.94) joined ##slackware. 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[11:05] and wow, i really need to setup some sort of ssh login attempt limit [11:06] agentc0re: funniest thing of the week :P [11:06] zaltekk: ignore it. it is a informative message every 10minutes (or is it 20minutes) [11:06] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:06] Lord_Khelben: so it is just to let you know the log is still working? [11:06] zaltekk: Change your ssh port to something else., ie; 2222 [11:06] something like that. i don't know why it is happerning [11:07] zaltekk: you'll see those attempts just disapear. [11:07] agentc0re: can't i just set a limit to say you can only fail to login 3 times an hour from the same ip? [11:10] directly from ssh i think no (i may be wrong though) you can do miracles with iptable's recent match though [11:10] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.94) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Lord_Khelben: right. i didn't think ssh had the option. [11:11] you can create some iptables rules to do that, yes. [11:11] but why, when changing the port is just so much easier? [11:11] agentc0re: i still want to limit login attempts [11:12] +1 on changing the port [11:12] You know i thought by default ssh only allowed 3 attempts. [11:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:12] <_juan> hi, i have a problem with my xfce4 session, i cannot put any wallpapers, all i have is the bootsplash background image as wallpaper and it cannot be changed, any ideas as to what could be wrong here? [11:13] you didn't mess with the permissions of .config/ folder or the xfce folder in it right ? [11:13] agentc0re: yes it allows 3 (though the manpage says maxauthtries is 6 by default) [11:15] <_juan> no, i didn't [11:17] thumbs: Hey the other week when you helped me out, you had me run a command that i cannot remember what it was for the life of me. I remember what it did though, and i'd run it on FILE in the webserver then it would go recursivly back down showing all perms on the file and dir's above it. [11:19] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) left ##slackware. [11:20] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [11:20] christian (i=590f956f@gateway/web/freenode/x-vnuobynqgqzuglnk) joined ##slackware. [11:25] agentc0re: namei -m /path/to/file [11:26] genus! Thank you. [11:26] sure thing [11:26] Phylum! how goes it? [11:27] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:28] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [11:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:29] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-128.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:56] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:57] sup all? [11:59] just ate my dinner [11:59] anyone know of an easy way to import movies into mythtv? i have a mythbackend running and access it from my ps3, but it never finds any movies [12:00] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:06] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:11] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.94) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [12:15] is rubygems what i need to run ruby scripts? [12:16] Is there any way of updating exported lines? (from lang.sh for example) [12:18] Chakravanti: depends [12:18] i need ruby & ruby GTK+ bindings [12:19] afaik It's a package manager [12:19] re [12:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] so is ruby already in slackbuilds or am i missing it? [12:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:20] ruby is already in slackware [12:20] ruby is in slackware by default [12:20] okay [12:20] that explains a lot [12:20] so i also have Ruby GTK bindings then? [12:20] heh [12:20] I think there is a manager to install gems easily but I don't use ruby [12:21] i don't think i need gems [12:21] Action: Camarade_Tux only needs money [12:21] http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/07/i-finally-solve-my-intel-video.html heh [12:21] money isn't real [12:21] and a place to sleep next year ='( [12:21] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.116.10) joined ##slackware. [12:21] it's an illusion [12:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:21] no, the money is real, its value is fiction and negative being a evidence of debt. [12:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] rather money/paper [12:22] Quiznos, just because it's an illusion doesn't mean it doesn't have effect or is practically real for people [12:22] sahko: little does he know, EXA accel is depreciated and dead in intel 2.8 ;) [12:22] but the paper isnot fiction; only its value is [12:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] haha [12:23] so i guess i need to manually compile ruby GTK bindings [12:23] Chakravanti: sorry, I don't have any clue how ruby works either [12:23] okay [12:24] well i got some stuff to do today. I suppose tonight or tommorow or the next time i get some time i'll work on learning how to make slackbuilds [12:24] Quiznos: my mom still cusses FDR to this very day for taking the US dollar off the gold standard [12:24] maybe ill get good enouhg to add a few to slackbuilds [12:25] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.26.29) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Pig_Pen jfk didnt do that. [12:25] Pig_Pen sorry; wrong acronym :) [12:25] somebody else is dylexic [12:25] err.. [12:25] Pig_Pen she's almost right but there can be seen a good thing in what he did (i dont excuse him for other things tho) [12:25] lol [12:25] Chakravanti, there's a SB template on SBo and all the info for making a .info and a slack-desc [12:25] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.26.29) left irc: Client Quit [12:25] FDR = Franklin Delano Roosevelt [12:26] nods [12:26] yeah i've been reading a bit of it [12:26] on the wiki [12:26] I should stop playing robots, I *really* should [12:26] Nixon closed the gold window that ended the exchange tho [12:26] foreign exch [12:27] well...money is like grease to an economy because a pure commodity trade market is difficult for society to negotiate as efficiently as we do today [12:28] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.26.29) joined ##slackware. [12:28] there just arent enough porecious metals to be an effective exchange medium globally, [12:28] 18:25, I start listening to Credence Clearwater Revival [12:28] nah; gold and silver are honest money. the negotiable instruments and FRNs now floating are worthless except for the signatures on them (if there are any) [12:28] the debt system isn't the greatest because it is essentially slavery although it doesn't necessarily have to be...i can't help but think there is another way [12:28] Chakravanti there's plenty of gold and silver to dig up, TPTB just dont want people to know abut it [12:29] okay [12:29] yeah...no.... [12:29] the debt system is a fraud [12:29] there is not enough gold [12:29] there couldn't be [12:29] sure there is or those copmanies would be out of bus [12:29] the ones digging up all the gold and silver and other metals. [12:29] okay, i'd love to finish debating this with you [12:29] i really would [12:29] ok [12:29] so if you see me again [12:30] sure [12:30] hit me up about this in #slackofftopic but i have to go to work [12:30] because we agree on things, but i think we see the same issue in different ways [12:30] not necessarily opposing ways though [12:30] anyway [12:30] nods [12:30] thanks for the help this morning guys [12:30] pz [12:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:31] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-102.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:38] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.185.126) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.198) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[12:47] "-!- antiwire=+i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire" [12:47] at least it's consistent : [12:47] thanks guys [12:47] :D [12:47] well, freenode is having a problem with their cloak server [12:47] I'm actually connected via Tor-GPG [12:48] Punker (n=root@unaffiliated/punker) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:48] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:49] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] y0 people [12:50] life is no fun and devoid of any meaning [12:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:52] slackytude: my owners manual says the same thing; i think it's a misprint [12:52] my manual says: "Don't Panic" [12:53] at least you got a manual [12:53] ah, i have a copy of that manual too [12:53] mine says "Game Over" [12:53] lol [12:53] lmao [12:53] harsh [12:55] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-138-133.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Reav___ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:01] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:01] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:01] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:03] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:03] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:05] and remember kids: keep your bottles of lube vertical, they may leak otherwise [13:06] k [13:06] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.137) joined ##slackware. [13:11] good boy dive, don't waste lube :) [13:11] day 3 of no caffeine. [13:12] man I need a coffee [13:12] i feel ok now [13:12] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] beer? [13:12] still drink though [13:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:12] ) [13:12] ( [13:12] antiwire: any reason you quit coffee? [13:13] unmatched parenthesis [13:13] =/ [13:13] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-167-17.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] [ [13:13] Camarade_Tux: caffeine all around [13:13] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:13] sup sup [13:13] I'm testing to see if caffeine is the sole reason for being an uptight lunatic [13:13] fran1 (i=guest@200.109.159.53) joined ##slackware. [13:14] caffeine is a terrible hardcore drug [13:14] :x [13:14] antiwire: have annoying/stupid people around you? [13:14] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:14] I'd be worried about the crap n fizzy drinks too [13:14] I became addicted to caffeine at 12 and quit as soon as I realized [13:14] where can i get a reliable slackware64 iso? [13:14] Action: slackytude drinks cidre [13:14] (>six coffees a day) [13:15] slackytude: I hate you ! :p [13:15] :P [13:15] Camarade_Tux: i hadn't had a day without at least one caffeine drink for over 3 years [13:15] Camarade_Tux and slackboy iooooo : :) [13:15] fredoslack, :P [13:15] but i never drink energy drinks. i'd only ever have coffee or tea [13:15] Camarade_Tux, i make a quizz [13:15] antiwire, and beer? [13:16] and beer [13:16] ^-^ [13:16] amen [13:16] i consider beer a staple food [13:16] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] but that can also make some people hyper [13:17] whut? BEER? [13:17] yes [13:17] O_o [13:17] well i don't start my day with a big glass of beer [13:17] as nice as that sounds [13:18] depends when I wake up [13:18] lol [13:18] heh [13:18] actually, when i go camping i'll start with beer [13:18] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.137) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Action: slackytude nods [13:18] but that's acceptable [13:18] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.137) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> ElmerJFudd [13:19] latly my trusty notebook gets overheating issues [13:19] like after playing vid for an hour [13:19] this saddens me [13:19] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.137) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] flash does that to my full size laptop [13:19] slackytude: when idling, my laptop is >50 [13:20] slackytude: most likely because it's already 35 [13:20] not flash, dvd, avi, anything [13:20] hey guess what's coming up on the discordian calander? :> [13:20] Next SubGenius holiday: August 6 The Dance of the Insensitive Bastards [13:20] I guess the *whole* channel should dance :D [13:20] Camarade_Tux, Im not insensitive [13:20] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.26.29) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] dive: hahaha [13:21] As Bastards go, Im a very thoughtfull and caring one [13:21] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.9.134) joined ##slackware. [13:21] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.9.134) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] but I likez to dance [13:22] I need to learn to dance [13:22] learn it? just drink some alcohol [13:22] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-14-237-128.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [13:22] :P [13:23] well, the channel dancing for that would probably be considered what-has-been-seen-cannot-be-unseen :P [13:24] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kZJu9FJOw [13:25] yeah boi [13:26] where can i get a reliable slackwere64 iso? [13:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] slackware.no has weekly iso's [13:26] fear (n=abcd@189-11-44-71.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:27] thanks [13:28] fear (n=abcd@189-11-44-71.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [13:28] that dude is HUGE [13:29] fran1 (i=guest@200.109.159.53) left ##slackware. [13:29] should I really enable flash to see that? [13:30] if you have to enable flash it's certainly not worth it [13:30] i'm learning how to dance [13:30] from youtube videos [13:30] O M G [13:30] as for the video, I only hope it doesn't have music [13:32] what have I done? ='( [13:34] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [13:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.143) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:38] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:58] might be the way she sits or hands rests on mouse / keyboard [13:58] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:59] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:59] the way she sits doesn't help but if she weren't reaching for the mouse every ten second, she'd probably sit better [14:00] OzX_ (n=OzX_@pc-87-147-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] she needs to learn keyboard shortcuts, even ms-windows has that, even multimedia keys can launch her favorite applications [14:02] shortcuts aren't always easy to type, Ctrl+X-type shortcuts require some agility [14:03] how about windows and Word? [14:03] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-152.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:06] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [14:08] err, that's what she's currently running [14:08] i use notepad [14:08] algol_ (n=algol@121.229.114.136) joined ##slackware. [14:09] when i run startx,it shows could not open default font fix [14:09] i check the fontpath,they are all ok [14:10] who can give me some advise [14:10] sounds like you're missing a foont package [14:10] font even [14:11] which? [14:11] should i re-install x-font package? [14:13] have a look see which ones you are missing perhaps [14:13] don't worry about that, it's just a warning algol_ [14:13] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: "SXEmacs - The Best A Geek Can Get - http://www.sxemacs.org/ or app-editors/sxemacs" [14:13] but i cannot get into X [14:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.8) left irc: [14:13] there isn't an error further down ? [14:13] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] but how can i get into X [14:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.28) joined ##slackware. [14:14] algol_, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com <- can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log here? [14:15] algol_: are you on 12.2 ? [14:15] yes i am on 12.2 [14:15] which video card? [14:16] did you install xorg separately, after you installed slackware 12.2? [14:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] S3 vedio card [14:16] yes separately [14:17] algol_, what is your default depth in xorg.conf? [14:17] 8 [14:17] run pkgtool as root, and go to "setup" and run the font related scripts [14:17] hmm shoudld be ok [14:17] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/b6IzLQ90.html [14:18] my xorg log [14:18] http://goodbye-microsoft.com/demo.html [14:18] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.143) joined ##slackware. [14:18] 14:15 < algol_> yes i am on 12.2 [14:18] Xorg.0.log [14:18] Build Operating System: Slackware 12.0 Slackware Linux Project [14:18] 12.0? [14:19] i have installed slackware 12.2 [14:19] cat /etc/slackware-version [14:19] you installed xorg from 12.0 ? [14:19] how did you install your xorg ? [14:19] no i installed xorg from slackware12.2 DVD [14:19] no, you didn't [14:20] what does "cat /etc/*-version" say ? [14:20] my log says 12.1 wtf? [14:20] i copy x directory from 12.2 DVD.iso to my system ,then i install it [14:21] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.15.44) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Greetings everyone. :) [14:21] algol_: run my command please [14:21] ok [14:21] hi fire|bird [14:21] greeting, fire|bird [14:21] hey dive, how's it going? [14:21] /etc/slackware-version : 12.2.0 [14:21] y0 gtl, how are you? [14:21] ok, youself? [14:22] dive: doing great, thank you. [14:22] i'm good, thanks [14:22] it is Slackware 12.2.0 [14:22] algol_: and "ls /var/log/packages/xorg-server*" [14:23] xorg-server-1.3.0.0-i486-2 [14:23] that's not from slackware 12.2 [14:23] well that's old [14:24] slackware 12.2 provided xorg-server 1.4.2 [14:24] uh oh [14:24] you installed xorg from slackware 12.0 [14:24] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/x/ [14:24] then how should i do ? [14:24] re-install xorg [14:24] and oyu lied about it! [14:24] from 12.2 [14:24] i'm too heartbroken to continue [14:24] how many other packages from 12.0 did you install to 12.2? [14:24] i am sorry for that [14:25] algol_, are you _sure_ that the rest of your system is 12.2? [14:25] I predict an utter mess [14:25] lol [14:25] lol [14:25] yes at first i installed one cd [14:25] i am sure it is 12.2 [14:25] then i downloaded one dvd [14:25] how can I create a .tar.gz file? tar cvf /file.tar.gz ? [14:25] to install some packages [14:25] magic 8-ball says "doubtful' [14:25] slackpkg clean-system [14:26] gtl, tar cf somefile.tar [14:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [14:26] gzip somefile.tzr [14:26] tar [14:26] dive, thanks [14:26] i am sorry for that.Maybe i download the wrong dvd [14:26] I think you may have [14:26] if you still have that x/ directory, I would "removepkg *.tgz" from it, and then use "slackpkg install x" [14:27] gtl, tar cf file.tar file; gzip file.tar [14:27] sorry finger slipped on enter [14:27] tar cjvf archivenametocreate.tar.gz directorytouse [14:28] tar -pczf archive.tar.gz /path/to/dir [14:28] j is for bzip2 [14:28] doh [14:28] :) [14:28] thanks all [14:28] hey I just noticed that Dominian is staff [14:29] antiwire, that would make a bzip2 [14:29] ... [14:29] so not a bad move [14:29] i've already been told [14:29] oh yeah [14:29] I typoed for fsck sake [14:29] burn him ! [14:29] new fangled keyboards [14:29] antiwire: does that mean we should hide the drugs? [14:29] when we had morse it was so much simpler [14:30] no, I just didn't realize he was staff [14:30] speaking of keyboards, check out what slashdots says about apple keyboards [14:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-102.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [14:34] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] Please allow me to ask one more question.for example,if i have installed one old package and now i installpkg new_package,what will happen? [14:35] will it replace the old one? [14:36] algol_, you should upgradepkg [14:36] but too many packages in x [14:36] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] any advice ? i want to upgrade all packages in x directory. [14:38] algol_, upgradepkg *.tgz [14:38] thanks [14:39] I would start clean; there have been some changes to x/ [14:39] *.tgz means the old one or the new one? [14:39] *.tgz means all the packages in /x [14:39] if they are installed it will upgrade them [14:40] i understand [14:40] thank you very much! [14:40] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:40] and installpkg the font files too [14:41] tooly (n=tooly@e178150078.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:42] thrice` , how can i clean x [14:43] sorry, my suggestoin was ignored to get a clean start [14:43] anyone know how slackpkg install-new decides on which new packages to install? does it look at all the dirs, including kde and kdei, and returns those which aren't installed on your system? the man page seems to suggest that. i ask because, it's tell me to install some kde stuff, including ktorrent. however, i purposely removed all of the kde stuff i had installed... [14:44] Nick change: yesyes_ -> yesyes [14:44] read the src [14:45] hah, thanks. that was going to be the last resort. [14:46] should be the 1st [14:46] heh, okay. [14:48] I have a problem: I'm working in a very space-constrained environment and I'm hittin the upper bound =/ [14:48] question is: will clothes take less space folder or unfolded and flat? :D [14:49] folded lol [14:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-21.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Camarade_Tux: rolled-up [14:49] rolled too [14:49] that's funi pprkut [14:50] that's what they taught us in army at least ;) [14:50] hmmm, rolled sounds good [14:50] I think I'll benchmark that :D [14:50] haha [14:50] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-152.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [14:51] how can i update to firefox 3.5 ? [14:51] not against folded thought [14:51] deco: by upgrading to -current [14:51] Camarade_Tux: aww :P [14:51] (unless you're on 32bit where you could repackage mozilla.org's packages) [14:52] and you're probably on 32bit otherwise you'd already be running -current :D [14:52] I'm running 32bit [14:53] get -current's slackbuild and make your own package then [14:53] Action: nix_chix0r shakes booty [14:53] so lemme unnerstan someth; there's main-dist-files, then what repos are there for slack? [14:53] greetings nix_chix0r, how are you? [14:54] y0 Camarade_Tux [14:54] ElmerJFudd (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:54] ElmerJFudd: there arent really. [14:54] ElmerJFudd (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] nix_chix0r: hmmmmm :) [14:54] oops, dont hit that button [14:54] ElmerJFudd: theres slackbuilds.org [14:54] ok; any others? [14:54] yoyo fire|bird, how's it going? :) [14:54] Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks. you? [14:54] fire|bird: great too, holidays :) [14:54] \o/ [14:55] hihi [14:55] I'm leaving this place and I need to clean *everything* and pack though =/ [14:55] holidays are always nice! \o/ [14:55] ditto [14:55] well, it's ok actualy, just takes time :p [14:55] tubing!!! [14:55] oh boy [14:55] and I still don't know where I'll sleep next year :D [14:55] nix_chix0r: you're going tubing today? [14:55] what's SlackwareGallery.org? [14:55] tomorrow fire|bird wana come [14:55] mugshot? [14:56] nix_chix0r: nah, I'll pass, thanks though. :P Have a good time. [14:56] nix_chix0r: hey :) [14:56] Camarade_Tux: lol [14:56] :( [14:56] you don't wana go tubing [14:56] ElmerJFudd: It's a place for people to put screenshots of their slackware desktop. :D [14:56] or face :) [14:56] nix_chix0r: any bear attacks? [14:56] hi spook [14:57] not yet [14:57] if so, did you squish them with your high heels :P [14:58] yer [14:58] fire|bird: ah [14:58] Everytime you mention tubing I thing you mean tubbing and then I think about tub girl [14:58] ol [14:58] antiwire, does that turn you on [14:58] yes [14:58] heh [14:58] kinda makes me shudder [14:58] oops, wasn't for me :D [14:58] antiwire: the .cx tld belongs to christmas islands. [14:58] oh, tubing has nothing to do with tubs? =/ [14:58] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] Nick change: icarus__ -> icarus_ [14:59] see now hes thinking about goatse [14:59] Camarade_Tux: nope. :) [14:59] Action: ElmerJFudd is thinking bout bohemian girls of the Hudson Valley [15:00] fire|bird: crap! [15:00] not to be confused with bahamian girls ot the atlantic [15:00] lol [15:01] urbandictionnary has a nice definition for tubing: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tubing (see def 2) [15:01] ;p [15:01] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [15:02] vf nalbar nf pbby nf zr [15:02] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Camarade_Tux: hahaha, that's, well, interesting. [15:03] Camarade_Tux: I'm sure nix_chix0r will be participating in the first definition. :P [15:03] fire|bird, don't you live near cannon falls [15:04] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:04] spook: fcbbx, V'z *jnnnnnnnnl* pbbyre [15:04] nix_chix0r: no, I'm a WAYS away from Cannon Falls. [15:05] like more than 2 hrs? [15:05] Camarade_Tux: hardly [15:05] spook: that's what *you* think -_- [15:06] pfffttt [15:06] nix_chix0r: little over 4 hours. [15:06] i should turn on my A/C, the roof is hot enuf [15:06] hmmm same amount of driving distance like myself [15:06] you can do it [15:07] but im still comfortable with the fan in front of me [15:08] ooo real q hee; yay! how do i reduce the res of my usb wireless moose so that it slips less? [15:08] s/hee/here [15:09] its res is at ca. 1000dpi [15:09] well not the res. but the speed [15:09] slow it down? [15:09] in x, gpm not runnin [15:10] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hanging+wedgie >< [15:10] ouch! [15:10] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:10] is that like an atomic wedgie? [15:10] lol [15:10] dunno, I'll have to urbandictionnary atomic wedgie :D [15:10] yeah, same :D [15:10] lol, they wrote "tighty whities" [15:10] rofl [15:11] thats too funi [15:11] ElmerJFudd: using kde or xfce? [15:11] nop [15:11] omg they used a real dunny to example [15:11] dummy [15:11] http://www.zazzle.com/custom_urban_dictionary_mug-168243605698579412 [15:12] Camarade_Tux: bbox but i dont think it's a wm thingy [15:12] ElmerJFudd: DEs provide easy way for that [15:12] apart from that... dunno [15:13] algol_ (n=algol@121.229.114.136) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:13] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=atomic+wedgie [15:13] lol [15:14] Camarade_Tux: but i'm a rebel :) i need to do this the Tao way [15:14] lol [15:14] dasx (n=das@pool-151-200-235-131.washdc.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] insider- (n=insider@adsl-254-235.diodos.auth.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:15] ElmerJFudd: ;p [15:15] sigh [15:15] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slackware :) [15:16] Do laptop coolers work quite well? For example, I'm looking at one that's USB powered, wouldn't that contribute to the laptop getting heated as well? [15:16] iirc, usb draws 500mW at most [15:16] get a better laptop :P [15:17] Camarade_Tux: ok, sorry, but is that alot or a little? :P [15:17] spook: The laptop works great, but the one fan quits and doesn't work. I haven't got it fixed yet. [15:17] fire|bird: pretty little [15:17] I use Slackware on my box. Better dead than Red(Hat) [15:17] get this def on a mug [15:17] O_o [15:17] fire|bird: dont run without a fan. [15:17] spook: so atm it freezes, then works well, then freezes, etc. [15:17] fire|bird: everything needs fresh air; for lappies, the fans force air in to vent hot air out [15:18] you're probally going to damage it more :P [15:18] fire|bird: get a replacement unit at a comp shop [15:18] or online [15:18] spook: I haven't been, it freezes. :/ There's two fans, the one runs fine, the other runs when I first turn it on, then that one quits. [15:18] spook: so either fan or, ugh, mobo. [15:18] ElmerJFudd: actually, its all about getting airflow over the heatsink(s) [15:18] nods [15:18] that too [15:20] spook: I get beep codes too about test 512k base memory, I doubt both modules are bad, I've tried swapping the two, etc. so I think it's maybe more mobo issues. :( and doesn't something on the mobo control the fans? [15:21] fire|bird: under warranty? [15:22] spook: used. :P [15:22] how old? [15:22] spook: so no [15:22] spook: Well, the laptop itself is from 2007, I just recently received it as a gift and unfortunately it's having issues now. [15:22] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:23] maybe dust clogging the fan [15:23] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] open it up, maybe test the fan manually. [15:25] spook: could be, the fans don't have any sensors so I can't check that, the core got to about 106F, checking with an app called SpeedFan (it's windows atm, it won't run long enough to do anything with it really) [15:25] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [15:25] afternoon [15:25] hi missyjane [15:25] missyjane: g'day [15:25] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.136.43.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] spook: When I do get it running, it will be the proud home of Slackware64. :D [15:25] yay [15:26] yeah, rolling clothes seems very efficient :) [15:26] spook: I also suspect mobo or some hardware because it even freezes on a live cd (at first, I blamed windows for many of the freezing issues) :P [15:26] slackytude: "better dead than red(hat)" was pretty funny :p [15:27] algol (i=algol@121.229.114.57) joined ##slackware. [15:27] fire|bird: with no fan, i'd say heat is to blame for 100% of those crashes [15:27] spook: yeah, I'm sure it is. 106F isn't that bad though, is it? [15:27] Camarade_Tux: told ya ;) [15:27] i dont know imperial [15:28] spook: Also, I confirmed with someone who has the exact same laptop that that fan should be running all the time, at times slowly, but running none the less. [15:28] when i run upgradepkg x/*.tgz some packages are not installed.Any advice for me to install them? [15:28] fire|bird: on modern laptops, yes. stop running it without a working fan. [15:28] my packages in x are all 12.0, now i want to upgrade them to 12.2 [15:28] how? [15:29] any ideas why battle.net in warcraft 3, crash after type my account ? [15:29] spook: yeah, it's just been sitting here, haven't messed with it anymore, hopefully this weekend I'll have it fixed. :P [15:29] insider-: uhhhhh, using wine? [15:29] algol: you cant go direct from 12.0 to 12.2 [15:30] spook, yes [15:30] if you dont know what you're doing, you shouldnt go 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 either. [15:30] you mean, i have to reinstall them? [15:30] insider-: still dont see how its slackware specific [15:30] re-install my system? [15:30] I'm writing a Blackberry data sync manual for a company I work with [15:30] algol: well, why do you want to use 12.2 /x/ packages? [15:31] The situation is that, i installed my system with one 12.2 cd [15:31] spook, i dont see it too :P but when i use debian, i worked perfect :s [15:31] but i installed /x/ packages in 12.0DVD.iso [15:32] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:32] so i just want to remove all packages in x,and change them to 12.2 [15:32] algol: so basically you mutilated your install. in which case you have a messy system. and you definately shouldnt try to upgrade. [15:33] you mean i should re-install ? [15:33] yes. [15:33] oh,god i have install a lot of softwares in it. [15:33] if you' [15:34] ve not got a well organised system or know exactly what you're doing, upgrading will cause lots of problems [15:34] esbjorn__ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] esbjorn__ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] lol at the part :D [15:35] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] spook do you play guild wars? [15:35] spook,if first i upgrade i all packages in /x/ and then i reinstall all packages in /x/ [15:35] missyjane: nope :) [15:35] is it ok? [15:35] anyone here ever setup surveillance camera on slackware? [15:35] missyjane! \o/ [15:36] missyjane: unless it supports uvc, it will be a pain. [15:36] insider-: which versions of wine on debian and on slackware? and wine from debian's packages? have you checked the patchs they may apply? and what about wine's bugtracker? [15:36] uvc? how will i know if it support uvc? im planning to buy one from newegg [15:36] missyjane: googling. [15:37] missyjane: basically, uvc means it doesnt do anything funny or encode the video stream [15:37] Camarade_Tux, i dont remember the version i used on debian, i installed it from the respos of lenny.. i didn't aply any patch manually [15:37] so you can just mplayer /dev/thevideodevice and it will work. cant do that with non-uvc [15:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] Camarade_Tux, i see it in bugs, but the solution doesnt work [15:38] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) left irc: "leaving" [15:38] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [15:38] algol: i really recommend reinstalling. [15:39] missyjane, yes [15:39] insider-: YOU didn't apply patch but I'm sure debian has at least one [15:39] insider-: any link to that "solution"? [15:39] algol: you can use parted from the install disk to shrink your partition, and reinstall in the free space. [15:39] crap, my laptop is 55C when idling [15:39] it's too hot here [15:39] ok [15:39] thanks [15:40] Camarade_Tux: lol, I just converted that 106F to C and it's 41.1C. That's what mine was running the other day. [15:40] 40C isn't hot at all [15:40] Camarade_Tux, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7679360 [15:41] algol (i=algol@121.229.114.57) left irc: "Leaving" [15:41] Action: Camarade_Tux just understood why the "solution" wasn't working :D [15:41] missyjane: if it isnt uvc, you'll need to find a module for it, and probally a custom userspace program for it too. [15:42] Camarade_Tux: maybe you should stick your laptop on ice like you did your hdd one time. :P [15:42] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:42] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.136.43.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:42] missyjane: logitech e-3500 is uvc. its about $60AUD here. [15:44] insider-: read http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17809#c16 ? [15:44] and http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17809#c15 ? [15:44] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] fire|bird: the problem is that air is at >35C [15:44] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] Camarade_Tux: got a fan or A/C ? :P [15:46] fire|bird: nope [15:46] people in France don't need A/C to live, it's not that common (in homes) [15:47] Camarade_Tux, but heating may be a must there, right? [15:47] gtl: yeah, of course [15:47] Camarade_Tux: Here, where I'm at, in the summer an A/C is a necessity to live. :P [15:49] A/C is part of one's life in california :P [15:49] haha [15:49] not where i live sucka [15:49] here in south Brazil, we've no heating on homes, so on winter time, though there's no snow, its REALLY cold [15:49] insider-: anyway, it's not a slackware issue, it's a wine one [15:49] Most of the houses here don't even have AC [15:49] antiwire: where do you live? [15:49] gtl: here the cooker is more efficient than the heater :D [15:49] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] I'm about 1 mile from the ocean [15:49] Camarade_Tux, i know, thanks for the links :) [15:50] deco: ventura [15:50] Camarade_Tux, haha! we hava blankets here! hehe! [15:50] antiwire: hehe [15:50] in fact, we have heaters but no AC [15:53] wish me luck... reformatting time! :) [15:53] glhf [15:53] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.136.43.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] bit offtopic, but anyone here speaking swedish who has a good translation for "mitt i smeten"? [15:55] mwnn (n=user@59.92.157.229) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] Hermann: shes my mother you insensitive clod [15:55] :D [15:57] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] Hermann: well, googles translation is: middle of the batter :P [15:59] are you using that idiom in english? "he knew everything because he was sitting in the middle of the batter" [15:59] Hermann: "I am smitten"? [15:59] hehe [15:59] mitten gruber verbooten [16:00] oops, mitten verbooten gruber [16:00] gruber mitten verbooten [16:00] english only please :) [16:00] IOW, byte me. 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One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [16:05] but thats the cpu. think about everything else. [16:06] yeah, hdd was around 97-99. [16:06] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:06] C? K? F? [16:06] KFC? [16:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] haha, that's in F. [16:07] wb nix_chix0r [16:07] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] spook: 99F is 37.2C [16:07] hdds dont get hot [16:08] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] spook: so is 37.2C good? [16:08] KFC.. mmmm nutritional equivilent of crack :) [16:08] especially when the computer keeps freezing [16:08] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] quasar: KGC (kentucky grilled chicken) \o/ :P [16:08] fire|bird: yeah, 99F is good, shows you're not (too) ill :) [16:08] KGO [16:08] but ill none the less. :P [16:08] kentucky grilled organs [16:09] lol [16:09] Camarade_Tux: I wish the thing wasn't ill at all. :/ [16:10] fire|bird: swine flu, sorry, you'll die soon :) [16:10] haha [16:10] gee, thanks. [16:10] spook: you smoke it, you call it crack.. I snort it, I call it cocaine.. either way it's killing you :) [16:11] fire|bird: don't worry, you have a good healthcare :) [16:11] fire|bird: oh, sorry, forgot you live in america :D [16:11] the price for sin is dead, but sooner or later even virtue is rewarded with it [16:11] Camarade_Tux: :D [16:12] quasar, spook, sheer curiosity: really smoking/snorting? [16:12] slackytude: one of the new features in the latest opera snapshot is you can move the tab bar around, top, bottom, left, or right. [16:12] Camarade_Tux: lol no [16:12] fire|bird, sounds good [16:12] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [16:13] spook: ok :p [16:13] neeeed, foooood [16:13] did you eat too many pancakes? [16:13] and I can actually remove the beer on my walls \o/ [16:13] didnt [16:13] slackytude: and alot of work on the unite stuff. [16:13] slackytude: it was *hours* ago ;) [16:14] Camarade_Tux: join spook and myself in having some crack... in the form of CHICKEN! [16:14] i dont eat kfc [16:14] fire|bird, unite is nice. wont use it tho [16:14] condensed chicken legs in a crap pipe [16:14] last time I ate KFC was in Canada about 6 years ago... it's different up there.. almost healthy tasting [16:14] quasar: I have to empty the fridge, I have almost nothing left to eat =/ [16:14] fire|bird, unless some really cool app is made for it [16:15] last time I ate KFC I spent lots of time on the toilette [16:15] almost all fast foods do that effect [16:15] fuck [16:15] my rat ate some of mine medicyne ... [16:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:16] heh [16:16] probably [16:16] she's freacked out now [16:16] probably a few weeks ago [16:16] .. [16:16] just figured [16:16] winterx: wait, iirc you gave beer to your rat a few days ago... [16:17] yes, but she's acting weidly for much longer [16:17] haha, alcoholic and drug addicted rat. :P [16:17] why? [16:17] leave the damn thing alone [16:17] how much of whatever the hell it was did she eat? [16:17] sometimes we gave our dog hash cookies [16:17] i think that it made some blob from it's brain [16:18] you know that if it ate a whole human dose, depending on what it was...it could be at LD levels [16:19] LD? [16:19] lethal dose [16:19] if it was lethal it be dead already [16:19] dioz_mio (i=test@88.241.130.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:19] LD what percentage [16:20] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] '( [16:20] it wouldn't necessarily kill it immediately [16:20] but a few weeks after? hardly [16:20] i thought it just ate it... [16:20] nope [16:20] probably a few weeks ago [16:21] winterx: what was it? [16:21] i'm not sure [16:21] the rat is over the effects of the drug after a few weeks, but it possibly suffered brain damage due to the high dosage [16:21] dioz_mio (i=test@88.242.175.237) joined ##slackware. [16:21] cause i left some emty "pill leafs" near her cage [16:22] fredoslack: what is happening, tell me everything :) [16:22] with 2 kinds of drugs [16:23] one makes your larger and one makes you small [16:23] i mean that one might have been not totally empty [16:23] just ask alice, she will know [16:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:24] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [16:27] bob would be jealous [16:27] you mean "Bob"? [16:27] non, alice's bob [16:27] ahh, right [16:27] pastas with bittersweet sauce? [16:27] s/non/no/ :D [16:28] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] Camarade_Tux, bob has no right to be jealous, he was with eve first [16:35] http://xkcd.com/177/ [16:35] slackytude: cryptology examples :P [16:36] slackytude: lol :p [16:36] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [16:36] spook, I has the knowingz of it [16:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[16:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] too many pasta [16:50] and now the question: tomato sauve or bittersweet sauve [16:50] *sauce [16:51] insider- (n=insider@adsl-254-235.diodos.auth.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] <|alisonken1churc> sausage sauce [16:53] have none here [16:54] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:55] Camarade_Tux: bittersweet [16:55] tomato = gross [16:55] just went for that but... [16:55] since I don't have enough bittersweet or tomato for the pastas, I'll make half-half :D [16:56] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] ty spook [17:00] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.185.126) left irc: "leaving" [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-128.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] make some cheddar cheese sause, then patent it, put Kraft out of business [17:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:03] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@174-159-54-8.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] ElmerJFudd (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:05] cheddar? what's that? [17:05] oh, that tasteless cheese, I see :D [17:05] Action: thumbs hates cheddar [17:06] give me blue cheese instead, o Rockefort [17:06] however you spell that [17:06] cheddar is responsible for the oil price: it takes a lot of oil to make plastic [17:06] Roquefort ;) [17:07] tooly (n=tooly@e178150078.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [17:07] it has a rich aftertaste. I quite like it. [17:07] eeeww, you like that stinky feet cheese [17:07] Cheddar Bay is a kernel level exploit [17:07] Pig_Pen: you must like Mozzarella, then [17:07] cheddar ftw [17:08] Pig_Pen: nah, not just Roquefort ;) [17:08] on pizza [17:08] I like blue cheeze on pizza. [17:08] mozzarella is nice, don't forget the sliced tomatoes [17:08] I like (blue) cheese on bread :D [17:10] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] arnt (n=arnt@host-185.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@211.180.33.83) joined ##slackware. [17:14] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [17:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] one ping pls? [17:25] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.240.76) joined ##slackware. [17:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.28) left irc: [17:25] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.240.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:27] er [17:31] lab__rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.240.76) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) left irc: Client Quit [17:35] arriesp (n=arriesp@84.77.138.137) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hi [17:35] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] afternoon [17:35] i'm trying to connect my phone by bluetooth with my pc [17:36] is youtube.com fried? [17:36] i can send from my pc to my phone, but i can't receive [17:36] what it could be? [17:37] TwinReverb, it loads from here [17:37] have you dont it before? Some phones don't allow you to recieve. [17:38] thanks [17:38] silvergold (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:38] no Orion, my phone can receive. is my pc who can't receive [17:38] maybe i could persuade someone to youtube "You're Worthy Of My Praise" (song) and send me the .flv file it creates in /tmp [17:38] or rip the audio to an MP3 [17:38] arriesp: sorry misunderstood [17:38] shik4nt4z4 (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [17:39] required gtk+ version 2.16, current version is 2.14 [17:39] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] any way to fix that aside from getting gtk+ 2.16? [17:39] TwinReverb, link? [17:39] oh you can't, right. [17:39] :D [17:39] i can't youtube right now [17:39] Action: TwinReverb blames south korean ISPs [17:40] which version then ? there are many [17:40] "Vineyard" ? [17:40] it has the most views [17:41] my phone shows me: error in send [17:41] vineyard? somebody mentionned wine? :P [17:41] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.240.76) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] vineyard [17:42] but i can use google videos (sorry) [17:42] oh. [17:42] righto then [17:42] Orion: if it says it requires 2.16, it really requires 2.16 :P [17:42] re [17:43] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:43] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:43] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.151) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] hiptobecubic, thanks though [17:43] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.151) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Camarade_Tux yea I figured :) Thx [17:43] not a problem [17:45] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:46] ./programname.SlackBuild VERSION=3.14.0 is that correct or do I just edit the slackbuild script manually [17:46] http://forums.utassault.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=24173&stc=1&d=1242902194 <- TwinReverb is on the left :) [17:47] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] fighter jets fred flintstone style :D [17:48] yeees :) [17:48] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] oh look it's the north korean air force [17:49] have thy those 2 short range nuclear missles already? [17:50] i don't know, ask them [17:50] that nuclear missle web calc says so [17:51] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [17:56] mr_jones (n=fparra@71-222-243-99.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] why do bittorrent transfers take so much more resources than http transfers? [18:01] my PII is getting crushed at just 10mbit/s [18:01] >< [18:01] look at how many connections are opened [18:01] shit, I just broke a french law [18:02] LOL [18:02] you broke a french law by not going out with me Camarade_Tux [18:02] 80. thats not a huge massive amount of connections [18:02] I'm sorry, you're waking up far too late for that, I want a girl who gets up early! :D [18:02] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:02] hei all [18:03] nooper: and upload? and see the rates [18:03] nooper: plus you're not writing sequencally to the disk [18:03] upload is 1mbit, 20 connections [18:04] but 10MB/s is a terrific rate [18:04] mbit [18:04] if err, yeah, translation fail ;) [18:05] and if it's 1.25MB/s, you have to md5 that much of data per second, not much but for a PII, everything adds up [18:05] why does firefox freeze when i try to watch fullscreen youtube videos ? i have the nvidia drivers installed [18:05] yeah i guess so [18:06] deco: disable hardware acceleration in flash settings [18:06] I definitely need a shortcut for that answer [18:06] Nick change: silvergold -> fire|bird [18:06] Camarade_Tux: thank you [18:06] deco, because Flash hogs up all the CPU when trying to make the picture a tad more attractive fullscreen [18:06] That's why it locks up :P [18:06] NthDegree: oh thanks :P [18:07] deco, if you still want to keep the acceleration you could mess with a wrapper of some kind and cpulimit >_> [18:08] hardware acceleration in flash/ff with nvidia drivers usually caused a crash for me [18:09] is there a sudoers group? [18:10] NthDegree: nah ill just disable it :P [18:13] snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:14] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:14] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.229.128) joined ##slackware. [18:15] I have come to the conclusion that it is probably not worth running X non-root, because otherwise you must enter a password every time for konqueror [18:16] Action: BP{k} fires up wu-nickcolor.pl [18:16] ? [18:16] never run x as root [18:16] !perror 150 [18:16] EVER [18:16] oopsies [18:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:18] Orion: in case of dchmelik just save your breath man. Trust me, it just ain't worth it. [18:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:20] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] Camarade_Tux: it worked! :-) thanks again [18:20] hehe, had that problem too :D [18:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-80-141.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:22] what's yo problem, fool? I ain't running X as root right now.... [18:22] dchmelik: nice language. [18:22] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:23] dchmelik, X always runs as root unless you use file capability labels [18:23] I did not mean you are a fool. I am running X as a non-root user [18:24] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) joined ##slackware. [18:24] dchmelik: well I remember not to long ago, you were, *and* had your users home directories under /root/. [18:24] dchmelik, what's the output of 'ls -la /usr/bin/Xorg' ? [18:25] BP{k}, he's been running the WM and desktop as root? O_O [18:25] aurelien_ (n=aurelien@AMarseille-157-1-132-27.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:25] mr_jones (n=fparra@71-222-243-99.albq.qwest.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:25] it says it is owned by root and in that group, so what? [18:26] dchmelik, what does the first part say? -rwsr-xr-x by any chance? [18:26] :P [18:26] yes [18:26] X runs with some root privs then technically ;-) [18:26] how would I link to the correct glib installation? [18:27] dasx (n=das@pool-151-200-235-131.washdc.btas.verizon.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [18:29] aurelien_ (n=aurelien@AMarseille-157-1-132-27.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [18:31] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:52] World of Darkness, like Vampire:the Masquerade [18:52] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] greetings and salutations [18:52] except, vampires are boring imho [18:52] snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) joined ##slackware. [18:52] what up yo? [18:53] darksystem.idleaire.com...surprised they didn't just leave it darkstar [18:53] Me, I would rather be sleeping :| [18:53] the Darkstars were in the Green Lantern comics [18:54] I'd Lay her [18:54] dchmelik, idleaire is slackware-based, and, apparently, they use the hostname darksystem for their routers [18:56] that was the comment of surprised they didn't just leave the hostname darkstar [18:56] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [18:57] _pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) joined ##slackware. [18:58] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [19:00] the way you have to enter passwords in konqueror if you are non-root makes X/KDE floccinaucinihilipilification [19:00] diernosaj (n=diernosa@c-24-15-156-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] can somebody help me with my gtkpod, it closes when trying to transfer songs from ipod to file system [19:00] dchmelik, what are you smoking? [19:00] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: No route to host [19:01] I've never had to use a root password for any GUI application to work [19:01] unless it needs root access [19:01] then you add a additional group for it [19:01] :p [19:02] like "audio" "video" or somthing [19:02] dchmelik, why would Konqueror need root access? It's not a maintenance tool [19:02] I do not see why you cannot use it as one [19:02] there is a version that starts in superuser mode [19:02] http://onelook.com/?w=floccinaucinihilipilification&ls=a [19:02] dchmelik, because if any normal app on the GUI gets compromised fully, there is potential to take over the root processes running within that X session [19:03] That's why distros like Fedora, which have a lot of GUI maintenance tools are using daemons to proxy off all the known-safe root-privileged accesses as/when needed [19:04] and how is it going to get 'compromised?' you are talking like everyone's system is one where they need a sysadmin [19:04] diernosaj (n=diernosa@c-24-15-156-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] dchmelik, if an attacker gets hold of one GUI app running in an X session, he/she can influence other GUI apps in that session [19:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:06] somehow I doubt that can be done remotely... maybe I am wrong [19:06] So if you have an app running in that X session as root and a non-root app gets compromised, it can still leave the root application open to manipulation [19:07] dchmelik, well it's considered serious enough that XACE was created [19:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] I do not understand XACE [19:10] I hope it does not make that annoying .Xauthority file [19:10] dchmelik, think of it as being like LSM but for Xorg :P [19:12] and what's wrong with Xorg cookies? [19:14] Action: NthDegree sighs [19:15] if I told you you would think I am crazy [19:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:15] does it have something to do with not being able to run apps as other users? :P [19:15] s/think/know/ [19:15] yes [19:16] dchmelik, that's easy to fix though [19:16] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] make a group for those you want to allow xorg access [19:17] that is a good idea, but maybe it is okay to be reminded I accidentally ran X as root anyway.... [19:17] Then make some symlinks for each of the users who are the ones that don't run X itself [19:17] pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:18] I do not know what the symlinks would be.... [19:18] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774C4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] Then put a script that executes the following into your default desktop session: xauth extract - :0 > /.Xauthority [19:19] now chown it so it's something like chown userwhorunsxorg:xorgusers /.Xauthority [19:20] chmod it to 640 [19:20] and make the symlinks for all the other users go to /.Xauthority [19:20] Voila - a hackish and (crazy) way to provide X access to other users while keeping the cookie ^_^ [19:21] I see :) [19:21] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.229.128) left irc: "Leaving" [19:22] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [19:23] dchmelik, btw gksu/gksudo can run things as non-root users y'know ^_^ [19:24] it seems there are no manpages on those.... [19:24] I will search google [19:25] I am unsure why I would want to use it if I run X non-root anyway [19:26] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-71-198-187-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: K-lined [19:30] Well.. it solves the cookie problem in a non-hackish way :P [19:31] but why did you even run your desktop as root anyway? lol [19:34] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.198) left irc: No route to host [19:37] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:38] I forgot not to [19:40] Malicious (n=Mad@41.250.222.17) joined ##slackware. [19:40] _pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [19:40] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) joined ##slackware. [19:41] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.176.126) joined ##slackware. [19:42] since, they have made a mecha, when will SlackwareMecha be out? 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[20:01] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Hello guys, ill permit myself to ask a more of a networking ... Iam having a network routing issue confirmed by the command mtr on the 3rd hop when I do it against yahoo. The 3rd hop is part of our network and according to mtr it is lossing 40% of the packets... however when I ping directly that specific hops IP then apparently it isnt loosing packets. Anybody know what the technical difference is? [20:03] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] it may not be good at routing traffic but is good at responding to direct requests? [20:03] is it filtering some stuff out, like maybe ping limiting? [20:04] i dont think the filtering of pings is the problem.. because there is a deeper problem which is that pages are loading half way [20:04] hi, i'm trying to configure the kernel for 64G ram ... do i just change CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y to CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y for the kernel config ? [20:04] TwinReverb, does mtr also do a regular ping? [20:04] i don't know [20:04] isnt mtr all about ICMP requests? [20:04] hmm [20:05] bnhashmi, i don't think so [20:05] i don't know though [20:06] bnhashmi, you should commend out 4G and make 64G=y [20:06] er comment [20:06] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [20:06] punker (i=1000@unaffiliated/punker) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:06] TwinReverb ok same diff.. thanks [20:09] epaphus dosn't make much sense.. maybee there is a different in your ping packet like payload or do not fragment ? [20:09] harley_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:09] Is anyone familiar with OpenVPN setup under slackware? I have my server and clients connected in bridged mode but I'm not exactly sure how the client is supposed to be setup. My server had a bridge setup with a physical interface eth1 and a tap0 interface bound to br0. br0 has an IP that corresponds to the actual LAN and tap0 and eth1 have no addresses bound to them. [20:09] icmp should never be fragmented, it's small [20:09] on the client side i have no bridge setup [20:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:11] sorry i use openpptpd for vpn [20:11] I certainly don't want to use pptp [20:11] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] v4nelle (n=van@78-51-196.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[20:23] Lofofora, french metal band [20:24] wow talk about obscure [20:25] they sing in french and I wouldn't expect many non-native speakers to understand anything [20:25] actually even their name must be a pain to pronounce for an english speaker :D [20:27] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:251) left irc: "Fui embora" [20:27] rtmex (n=rtmex@189.131.41.170) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Hello all [20:28] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:251) joined ##slackware. [20:28] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [20:29] I'm trying to install Slackware 10.2 via ftp on al old 386sx 16MB RAM, everything goes well untl I try to load my nic driver [20:29] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:29] Camarade_Tux: "Rock the Casbah" is a song by The Clash, released on their 1982 album Combat Rock. [20:29] an SX? [20:29] rtmex : last time i checked, slackware no longer supports 386. [20:29] I go to another tty and do a modprobe ne io=0x340 and I get this QM_MODULES funciton not implemented error [20:29] As far as I know that won't work [20:30] anake: That's why I'm using version 10.2 :) [20:30] pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: Client Quit [20:30] rtmex : i'm fairly certain it got dropped before 10 [20:30] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) joined ##slackware. [20:31] and this is 'ne' driver, not even 'ne2k'? good god, please, join the rest of humanity and ditch the clunker :) [20:31] anake: oh, I didnīt know thatwould know wich version? :) [20:32] anake: I'm doing for the challenge, Of course I cn just install FreeDOS an use that machine, but I wan a *nix type os [20:32] i'd have to go dig through the changelog [20:32] 'ananke' [20:33] ananke: But my problem so far does not enaything to do with the processor [20:33] I tryed to install it on a 486DLC an got the same error too [20:33] You know it's been a while since someone said "Rock the Casbah".... [20:33] rtmex : does 'modinfo ne' show you those options? [20:34] I think that the kernel that the floppy images use does not have modutils or something [20:35] ananke: he problem is not the ne dirver, cuz I tryed with another nic, a 3com 3c509 and it was the same problem [20:36] do you have _any_ pci nics? :) [20:36] I do, but those motherboards does not have pci slots, just ISA :) [20:36] i'm all for fun and games, but this is a bit too masochistic for me [20:37] for $5 you could have a machine 10 times better [20:37] ananke: MAybe not every linux people are that geek, ah :) [20:37] they aren't joking when they say openssl's build-dh will take a long time [20:37] anake: I do better machines, but as I said, Iīm doing it for the fun [20:38] rtmex : they were. back in 1995. [20:38] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:38] annke: MAybe you are too young and thats why yo donīt see the excitmen on doing something like this :) [20:39] I mean too young as I you did not use pc when this was the ultimate hardware :) [20:39] not trying to offend [20:40] my linksys router has more cpu power now [20:40] antiwire: I'm shure it does [20:40] Even a mp3 player maybe [20:41] but as I learn programmigm on a commodore 16 (cuz it only had 16k RAM) [20:41] 8088 processors with 512k RAM was a very fast machine [20:41] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:42] So I really donīt understand why people thing that a 386sx with more than 4MB RAM is useless [20:43] when actually there's a lot of thing yu can do with such a hardware [20:43] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [20:43] they waste power [20:43] it's a waste of energy, low efficiency [20:44] antiwire: I mean, I can understand from anyone using windows, nut from a linux user... [20:44] the operating system isn't even relevant to what i'm talking about [20:45] antiwire: you can develop c programs using ncurses in that machine without a problem [20:45] ok you don't get it [20:45] antiwire: me? is exactly the oposite, but ok [20:46] that piece of crap system you are working on burns power. [20:46] it is not power efficient at all [20:46] antiwire: YOu are right about that [20:47] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:47] but since I'm not on green peace and O'm not going to use that machien everyday, that des not have anything to do in a linux irc channel :) [20:47] something like a 1500nm fab process [20:47] lol [20:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:49] It's a shame that some linux community members answer that way, instead of helping people, If I donīt know about how to solve the problem, itīs better not to say anything, but not say go buy another machine [20:50] If someone ask for help to configure his wirelles you say go buy another wirelles nic??? [20:50] did you even search for your answer on LQ yet? [20:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.176.126) joined ##slackware. [20:50] you're not the first person to ask about QM_MODULES funciton not implemented [20:51] antiwire: O did, that's why I think the problem is about modutils [20:51] But those other post, none is at install time [20:52] Like I said before, I don't think the SX is supported at all in 10.2 [20:52] the DX might have worked but the SX has no math coprocessor [20:53] antiwire: Ok, but as you can see, this QM_MODULES.. error is nto because the proceesor. :) [20:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] I'll say it again [20:53] antiwire: Remeber I said I used a 486DLC (with math proceesor) and I got the same error [20:54] I don't think the SX is supported. [20:54] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:56] minimum is a 486DX2 for anything near-modern [20:56] antiwire: Forget about the SX think for a minute :), how would you load any nic module at install time on slackware, I ask because I have never used Slackware, I have always used Debian [20:57] rtmex, login as root [20:57] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:57] NthDegree: Not exactly, I just installed FreeBSD 5 on the 486DLC I said I got the same error with Salackware [20:57] rtmex, then type network and choose auto - it'll detect and load it [20:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.176.126) joined ##slackware. [20:58] NthDegree: The reason I try to load it manually is cuz I did what you suggest and the installer didnīt fund the card [21:00] what model is it? [21:00] the driver is ne, cuz the card is a AT/LANTIC, which is a ne2000 clone [21:01] the problem is that it seems that the kernel the installer is using does not have the right modules to use modprobe [21:02] then use insmod [21:02] I'm using the lowmem.i boot disk [21:02] insmod /path/to/module [21:03] NthDegree: I'll try that, thanks [21:06] rtmex (n=rtmex@189.131.41.170) left ##slackware. [21:06] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [21:15] this conversation has caused me to look back a realize just how ghetto some of the stuff I have done in the past has been [21:16] hehehe [21:16] for me, it brings back memories as a kid, having a second-hand 486 with 4MB RAM and Windows 3.1 [21:17] yeah same here [21:17] and before that I had some Olivetti box which I think might have been an 8086 [21:17] it ran DOS 3.3 and had to have the ship command ran for a "shutdown" [21:20] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks people on this channel must be oooold :D [21:20] j/k ;p [21:20] Action: NthDegree is only 19 ^^ [21:21] the first system I ever had was my Dad's 486SX from AST. I got that after he bought a 233MMX based system from Compaq [21:21] and you remember having a second-hand 486? how old were you? :D [21:21] Night. [21:21] night illuz1oN [21:22] NthDegree: dam .. you young'un ;) [21:22] Camarade_Tux, about 10/11 or so for the 486, 6 or so for the 8086 [21:23] he, nine years ago I was using a P4 :D [21:23] I'm 21 btw ;) [21:23] and then when I was about 12 I got an Athlon XP 2000+ [21:24] so you really got them *86 second-hand ;p [21:24] hehe.. i've never had an Intel box ;-p [21:24] except maybe the 8086.. not sure there XD [21:24] Intel > AMD [21:25] but the 486 and above have all been AMD [21:25] VIA > AMD [21:25] superGear, FSB on AMD has always outdone Intel, as has the 64-bit support and hardware virtualisation :P [21:25] but overall Intel is better [21:26] You pay for what you get yo [21:26] amd has a better price/perf ratio [21:26] C2Q aren't that much these days [21:26] err [21:26] Intel might have made all the ix86 stuff.. but x86_64 was made by AMD :p [21:27] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) joined ##slackware. [21:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:27] but amd's phenomII are the same price as the core2 and are more performant [21:27] Though why didn't IA-64 take off? [21:28] It didn't support 32bit well [21:28] at all reallt [21:28] really* [21:28] 32bit was emulated wasn't it? [21:28] ah [21:28] yeah, IA-64 had no 32-bit support [21:28] and IA64 was expensive [21:28] ia64 was itanium and itaniums are server-class and expensive [21:28] plus that they only did 64bit [21:29] Time to kill 32bit! [21:29] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [21:29] tho i use 32bit slackware [21:29] Linux kami 2.6.29.3 #1 SMP Mon May 11 09:03:55 CEST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [21:29] pfiou [21:29] and 64bit Windows [21:29] cazzie (n=cazzie@166.205.133.86) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots superGear [21:29] twice! [21:29] distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0] [21:30] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.80GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] [21:30] Linux vaio 2.6.29.6 #3 SMP Sat Aug 1 22:13:52 KST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:30] lol ^^ [21:30] Action: superGear never buys Intel ;P [21:30] I'm using screen and the infos aren't for my computer :D [21:30] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ [21:30] >_> [21:31] I use xsys-xchat thingie [21:31] that one's better: Linux jarjar 2.6.30 #1 SMP Sat Jul 18 22:21:23 CEST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU [21:31] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [21:31] <_juan> hi all! when i activate desktop effects, all the desktop goes wild, i can be in firefox or in any other application and then suddenly parts of the the wallpaper appear until i can no longer see the program i was running, any clues why? [21:31] desktop effects for what? [21:31] _juan: what are you using? [21:31] (kde, compiz, ...) [21:32] <_juan> kde [21:32] kde4* [21:32] turn off compositing [21:32] kde3 or 4? [21:32] <_juan> kde 4 [21:32] current slackware? [21:32] <_juan> current 64 [21:32] (obviously) [21:33] ah i use 32bit can't help ya ;P [21:33] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:33] -juan what graphics card? [21:33] _juan, what graphics card? [21:33] <_juan> intel [21:33] <_juan> a chip that comes with the MB [21:33] /exec -o /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [21:33] thrice`, not really obvious, he could have tried to install kde4 on 12.2 :P [21:33] kde4 wouldn't have started at all, then :? [21:34] it might have if he got all the libs [21:34] but i dunno haven't tried [21:34] cazzie (n=cazzie@166.205.133.86) left ##slackware. [21:34] also i think the txz would kill that option anyways so n/m [21:34] 12.2 had extra/kde4 iirc [21:35] but either way it doesn't matter now [21:35] nopers [21:35] testing/ maybe ? [21:35] <_juan> exec -o gives me invalid option [21:35] _juan, that was assuming you were using a graphical irc client [21:35] TwinReverb: nope [21:35] kde4 was in testing [21:35] you were supposed to type it in HERE [21:35] either way, whatever, /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [21:36] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [21:36] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1) [21:36] <_juan> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [21:36] anyone got rworkman's link to his intel packages? [21:37] google rworkman [21:37] _juan, you can always try rworkman's testing packages. i use intel here on slackware64-current with his packages and it's a lot better [21:37] slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-testing/ [21:37] ah [21:37] thanks [21:37] intel and new xorg don't like each other do they? [21:37] those paclages aren't in official testing/ extra/ ? [21:37] other distros have the same issues i believe [21:38] superGear, they like, they just dont get sync yet =P [21:38] superGear: they do, but it's kinda hit or miss [21:38] _juan i think what will help is if you get the x86_64 version of those and update to it, and try it then [21:38] granted intel chips can be very different from each other [21:38] my laptop's got an old 855GM and it demands framebuffer to work decent [21:38] on this laptop it won't work WITH framebuffer [21:39] oh yeah i forgot, thrice`, the vga=XXX option you gave me did not work [21:39] i don't "need" framebuffer so no worries [21:39] which ? [21:39] i can't remember now [21:39] 872 gives me 1280x800 wide-screen [21:39] on slackware's kernel (using vesa, not intelfb) [21:40] <_juan> let's see what happens [21:40] use "vga=872" [21:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] thrice`, my scroll-back buffer is like 9999999 in xchat [21:40] 8-) [21:40] ah using VESA [21:40] :) [21:40] i might try later after 13.0 is released [21:40] thanks for the info though [21:41] 872 hummmm [21:41] hey will pwunconv generate passwd file at right location? [21:41] ... wait, on the default generic kernel of slackware64-13.0-rc1 if i do vga=872 then i should get VESA anyways, right? [21:41] yep [21:41] oh well, it still don't work for me, but whatever, i don't care any more [21:43] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.59.140) joined ##slackware. [21:44] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. 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[21:51] no sickening [21:51] anyhow you need to have 1.5 more kids [21:51] yay octo-nix_chix0r [21:52] that be the average [21:52] lulz [21:52] 2.5 [21:52] Action: superGear wonders how the average couple has 2.5 kids [21:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [21:52] i'd have to do a lot of crack and swim in radioactive lakes to make that possible [21:52] superGear, one thin and one fat [21:53] or sleep around [21:53] tho what would you catch 1st a sex disease or a baby [21:54] probably a disease [21:54] which would then prevent you from having children [21:54] so it's all good [21:55] unless it kills you [21:55] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-33.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:56] 'It's ok baby, we don't need a condom - I've got syphillis!' [21:56] ew [21:58] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) joined ##slackware. [21:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:59] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] Going way back in buffer...I got my openvpn setup working [21:59] bridged mode [21:59] dive has syphillis?!?!? [21:59] <_juan> well, now i can't even start desktop effects, it tells me to check x config [22:00] <_juan> i guess i'll just have to get a video card [22:01] make sure it''s a nvidia! [22:01] unless you're a FOSS zealot then get ATI [22:01] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "What the hell?" [22:01] <_juan> nvidia sound good [22:01] why would you want either ATI or nvidia if you are a FOSS zealot? [22:01] you'd want intel [22:02] last i checked, both ati and nvidia put out drivers for their cards for Linux, but neither are FOSS [22:02] still, whatever, i'm no FOSS zealot [22:02] hasn't ati released some of their code? [22:02] ATI is getting 3d, its not there yet, but its just starting to get the basics of opengl working in the dev branch [22:02] ati did release a lot of documetation [22:02] hence "last i checked" [22:02] oh docs [22:02] superGear, they have, but their code did not do the opengl implementation [22:03] well they're more open than nVidia [22:03] they released docs and code to do 3d in the card in a method native to the gpu, and for the OS to control it, right now the work is to convert opengl calls to gpu calls [22:03] yeah, they are on their way [22:03] tho i'm not a FOSS nut [22:03] i use nvidia [22:03] I got both [22:03] nvidia told the FOSS devs to "shove it" (more or less) [22:03] hehe [22:04] at least the nvidia drivers usually work, that is what matters to me [22:04] I've always had issues with ATI cards [22:04] ati actually tried, and there are a few devs paid by amd hanging out in #radeonhd [22:04] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [22:04] <_juan> by the way, when i tried to run xorgconfig i just got a blank screen and the cursor blinking and that was it, i had to reboot [22:04] never had any issues with any nvidia video card [22:04] superGear, if you can deal with 2d only, the current radeonhd drivers are rock solid [22:05] ati is probably best, if you stick to the x.org drivers [22:05] and i've played many 2d games without problems [22:05] i don't game on linux [22:05] and it technically has no 2d accel [22:05] not much to game :P [22:05] rather run native apps on their native OSes [22:06] superGear, glob2 and wesworth run perfectly at max res, just have to turn off opengl [22:06] nvidia still works well for me ;P [22:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:06] I'm sure when i upgrade this POS 8400 it'll still be a nvidia :P [22:07] tho i'll probably just build a new PC [22:07] as i want/need a AM3 board [22:08] a lot of the am3 boards have an ati gpu built in to save you from buying one [22:08] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] is there an rsync site that I can grab slack off of? everytime I try to dl from an ftp mirror, the transfer stops partway through for no reason [22:11] it reports no error and acts like everything is hunky-dorey [22:11] mishehu, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rsync.sh [22:11] quite a few mirrors support rsync [22:11] just check the mirror info sites [22:12] a lot of rsync mirrors listed here: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml [22:12] let me clarify: USA mirrors preferred [22:13] mishehu: check the link I gave you, there are some listed [22:13] mishehu: east or west? [22:13] xujun (n=jun@124.161.18.231) joined ##slackware. [22:13] ok, it seems that tds does have rsync [22:13] I'll try it out [22:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [22:14] (should be updated on the "Get Slack" page though) [22:14] TwinReverb: ditch the -z, it upsets mirror admins :) [22:14] xujun (n=jun@124.161.18.231) left irc: Client Quit [22:15] thrice`, it does? [22:15] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) joined ##slackware. [22:15] yep; packages are already compressed, no need for it [22:17] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) left irc: Client Quit [22:17] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [22:17] thrice`, roger, updated [22:18] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) joined ##slackware. [22:19] <_juan> why does my pc freeze when i do a xorgsetup? [22:19] _juan: you're on -current, and intel ? [22:20] <_juan> yes [22:20] try without a xorg.conf [22:20] sounds like hal is fighting with xorg.conf's specs [22:20] <_juan> i thought intel was linux friendly [22:21] it's not related to intel, but probably input stuff. seriously, remove your xorg.conf and try to startx [22:21] <_juan> ok [22:21] <_juan> question # 2, why is ctr alt backspace not working? [22:22] one thing at a time [22:24] <_juan> ok, no more xorg.conf, lets see [22:24] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:25] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:26] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.116.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:31] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) joined ##slackware. [22:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] <_juan> this is so weird, i have no xorg.conf but i still get into kde perfectly, mouse working with the wheel, Spanish as the default language... [22:33] like magic [22:33] <_juan> why is that? [22:34] progress _juan [22:34] x-server is built with hal support, which means that, when you startx, xorg asks hal for a list of devices, and uses them [22:34] <_juan> so, why have xorg.conf? [22:35] seems like xorg could use lspci making hal unnecessary [22:35] RipVanWinkle: it'll use udev in the future, not lspci :) [22:35] _juan: it's still needed if you use a closed-source video driver, but that's about it [22:35] _juan, only to set options that X may not automatically detect [22:36] that will do, i dont like dbus or hal and would prefer to not even install them, i can live with udev [22:36] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:36] hal does kinda suck [22:36] <_juan> and the best thing is that i have desktop effects with noproblems [22:36] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:37] good deal, i am glad to see Linux working for you [22:38] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:38] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:251) left irc: "Fui embora" [22:38] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:38] wow I'm out of the loop... I now see that the tarballs are all now .txz... [22:39] <_juan> so, for question #2, ctrl atl backspace is disabled...and i just updated my slackware with slackpkg 5 hours ago... [22:39] i hope xorg will work good without hal when slack 13 is released [22:40] so what is the compression format used for the slackpack tarballs? [22:40] bzip2? rzip? [22:41] gzip. at least that's what it was in the past [22:41] why would they change the extension for the filenames if it's still gzip? [22:41] Action: andarius thought it recently changed [22:42] mishehu : who said it's still gzip? [22:42] i didn't. [22:42] so a .txz is gzip huh ? [22:43] no! [22:43] Hmm, guess that aaplies to -current... [22:43] Camarade_Tux: I know it is not... [22:44] Action: Camarade_Tux just got back from cleaning a friend's fridge [22:44] never, *NEVER* again! [22:44] For things after 12.2 please see the -current change log for the date --> Fri May 8 18:49:03 CDT 2009 [22:45] For 12.2 and before it is a gzipped tar ball [22:45] So technicaly... it has changed [22:45] I think it's about time that we switched to a better compression routine for the slackpacks :-) [22:46] mishehu: -current uses LZMA compression [22:46] hence the .txz [22:47] ooh nice [22:47] Again, see the changelog for -current on the date noted [22:48] so all those slackbuilds willl be changing to making txz when 13 xomes out [22:48] I would wager slackbuilds.org has taken this into taccount [22:48] comes* [22:49] andarius: still waiting for -current to rsync heh [22:56] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [22:56] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.59.140) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Action: guax playing wolfenstein 3d [23:01] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/07/31/apple-keyboard-firmware-hack-demonstrated/ :P [23:03] night all, see you in 4 hours, *sigh* [23:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] Action: AnonymousRednek spins Slipknot - The Heretic Anthem [23:08] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:13] good night, Camarade_Tux [23:13] lsbrum (n=lucas@unaffiliated/lsbrum) joined ##slackware. [23:15] dioz_mio (i=test@88.242.175.237) left irc: ""KILL EM ALL LET GOD SORT EM OUT" --American proverb" [23:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] guys I need a class A "stoner flick" [23:15] recommendations? [23:16] supertroopers [23:16] v4nelle (n=van@78-51-196.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] great, but seen it 10x times [23:16] so I take it you have seen all the Cheech and Chong movies? [23:18] oh yea [23:18] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1128556609.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:19] I might watch The Big Lebowski [23:19] but then i'd need to get some cream for a white russian [23:19] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1128556609.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [23:19] the life aquatic with steve zissou? [23:19] superGear you still on? [23:19] twolf: there's a classic I haven't seen in years [23:20] its trippy, they are all just so crazy. I love the black guys guitar though [23:20] Dang I think I have that lying around too [23:20] hehe [23:21] twolf: nicely done sir! [23:21] Orion, what do you want with me? [23:22] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] superGear: i saw you talking about the new package compression (txz) and wanted to ask if you knew if that will affect upgrading in a major way [23:22] pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Orion: I could tell you weren't goint to be satisfied with just any ole stoner flick, had to reach into the archives [23:23] superGear: like from 12.2 -current to 13 [23:23] twolf: oh yea but that was golden I never would of thought of it [23:23] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.42) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] Orion: you probably need to upgrade in two steps. [23:24] the packages you'll need to upgrade are still in tgz format i believe [23:24] 1) upgrade pkgtools, tar, xz etc. (which will be in tgz), then upgrade the rest [23:24] tar pkgtools and slackpkg. You'll also need to d/l xz as well [23:25] great easy enough [23:25] slackpkg is optional [23:26] thx guys, i'm off [23:26] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] pistao (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@zentoo.cc) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] pistao_ (n=PISTAO@200.180.136.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:51] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Sun Aug 2 2009