[00:00] will be asleep soon [00:00] blah. slow sunday nite... [00:01] evening Urchlay. [00:01] BP{k} [00:02] what you up to? [00:02] beerage? [00:04] Urchlay: nah, poking some of my builds, at the moment kmymoney2. finally got it to work on slackware64-current but now it retuses to build on 32-current. so it's all good fun. Beerage was earlier. ;) [00:06] should've been.. lol [00:06] Action: rworkman probably should get beer too. :/ [00:06] Some of the builds I'm working on are also being difficult. [00:08] s/probably// [00:08] Action: Urchlay examines the fridge & liquor cabinet [00:08] raela (n=raela@cpe-098-025-047-136.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "night all" [00:09] My -current vm took a dump earlier after upgrading to vbox3 [00:09] outch [00:09] Yeah [00:10] So I'm reinstall it. The 64current one seems fine, so no idea what went wrong. [00:10] my -current is still not really current, was waiting to see if the nvidia proprietary crap + new xorg mess has been resolved [00:10] It was acting like hdd errors. Just my luck - even my virtual disks are dying. [00:10] maybe they're only virtually dead? [00:10] Here's hoping, because I reused it :) [00:11] Knowing my luck, there's a bad sector on the *real* hdd where the virtual disk is located :/ [00:12] rworkman, I am having that issue just ealier [00:12] ergh. I once in my life managed to mount the same partition in a vmware guest and also on the host, symptoms at first looked like a bad disk image [00:12] booted up a vbox and and started getting sector errors [00:12] I was like I hope that isn't on the drive [00:12] fortunately it was the /tmp partition, no data recovery needed [00:13] Nick change: Gutz -> Gutz-afk [00:13] my tower has collected enough dust for stuffing in the winter coat i've been meaning to make [00:13] juice: weird [00:13] rworkman, vbox3 is evil [00:13] so far ive had 0 issues with qemu.... vbox is a pita [00:13] i have had nothing but issues [00:13] and not even gotten to use the new features [00:13] word vbox 3 is out?! [00:13] ive had more breask with vbox and had to rebuild for ose/non free [00:13] I use vm's enough that I *need* the convenience of vbox's ease of use more than qemu's reliabilty. [00:13] i gave up on them [00:13] That sounds odd, I guess :/ [00:13] I have to disable acpi just so it will run under 100% cpu usage [00:14] VampirePenguin: does modern qemu still emulate the entire CPU in software, or does it "virtualize" like vmware/vbox do? [00:14] i have 2 scripts i run rworkman for qemu... they are just one liners bam done [00:14] I used ext2 in my vm image this time - no need for the journaling overhead when I'm going to be snapshotting anyway. [00:14] oh, so it is. sweet [00:14] its and img file [00:15] its best to run it with kqemu [00:15] VampirePenguin: yeah, alienBOB uses qemu and loves it. I should look at it again. [00:15] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl4-204-21.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:15] but it translates vmwares images, qcows and vbox [00:15] rworkman, ext3 is still faster than ext2 even with the journal for most workloads [00:15] nachox: orly?? [00:15] ? [00:15] VampirePenguin: right, kqemu... eh, any issues with kqemu on a 64-bit kernel, with a 32-bit guest OS? [00:15] That figures. Just my luck :D [00:15] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] kvm with qemu is better than kqemu [00:16] oh, yes, really... damn americans and their english... :P [00:16] i can take the img file and go anwywehere.. vobx has a tangled web of xml tied to that particlular machine so i was never able to carry over or clone.. but cloing is supposed to be able to be done [00:16] Perhaps I'll go back and use ext4 then. Benchmarks on that look good. [00:16] if you have virt. support in your cpu [00:16] im on 32 bit [00:16] twolf: is kvm for running any OS, or only for Linux vm's? [00:16] rworkman, only if you ignore that part about filesystem corruption, yes, go with ext4 :P [00:16] Urchlay: I think any OS [00:17] nachox: I don't care about that in this context :) [00:17] Urchlay: works great with 64 bit too [00:17] All I want is a virtual env that can be used for "clean build" devel and then rolled back. [00:17] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] rworkman, thats actually were i got it from was alienBOB ... i looked at the vmware server and its dep'g on pam... i dont want pam [00:17] virtualbox? [00:17] rworkman, use brtfs then, it has builtin snapshots i thing [00:18] 3.0 came out recently. It supports snapshots too. [00:18] *think [00:18] Motoko-chan: yeah, I use vbox. It's supported snaps for a while [00:18] What's wrong with it? [00:18] twolf: I gotta look at that then. vbox works OK, but doesn't perform well (and 2.2 is slower than 2.1 was, not sure I want to bother with 3.0) [00:18] Motoko-chan: gremlins with 3.0 [00:18] well you can copy the img file in qemu.. then make changes, cp, then make changes>>> [00:19] rworkman: for some strange reason jfs seems to be the fastest thing going on this box [00:19] i love jfs on my box [00:19] Yeah, I use jfs on my real hardware. [00:19] rworkman: i could care less about data sequrity, i just want shit to compile fast [00:19] jfs also supports snapshots, at least in aix, i dont know in linux [00:19] Use 2.1 for now? [00:20] hm, actually 2.1 is what I'm using, 2.0 was the one that was slightly better/faster (but for whatever reason, couldn't use it on 64-current, and can't remember why now) [00:21] although i want to see where ovf is going to go as a standard... if all of the vm's used it .. life would be soo much sipler.. kinda like a pdf for vms [00:21] anyway it's non-critical (I use it to play an old windows game, and nothing else) [00:22] I'll look into some of these other options when time isn't as critical. Right now, switching isn't an option. [00:22] eh, well, and I might use it to test cross-compiled windows exes, when/if I need to again [00:23] Urchlay: you write windows exe's? [00:23] Urchlay, i found virtualbox to be getting faster actually, specially with vtx and friends enabled, but maybe that is because it was not as tunned in solaris in earlier versons [00:24] antler: I write little CLI utility programs to do things to emulator disk/tape/cartridge/whatever image format files. The vast majority of people who'd use them, are using windows, and have no clue what a compiler even is, so I give 'em windows exes [00:25] oh cool :) [00:25] antler: unfortunately most of 'em also don't know WTF to do with non-GUI executables... "I clicked on your program and got a black window for a split second, then it went away!" [00:25] lol hey! that happens to me sometimes :P [00:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.44.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] bet when it does happen, you immediately do a Homer Simpson "d'oh!" and run it the right way [00:28] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] no, no. i'm more inclined to take the alternate route, "i clicked your program..." [00:29] nachox: it might be that in general the new vboxes are faster, but my particular app (an old 256-color windows game) has gotten slightly slower... it might not even be vbox's fault (I upgraded the entire OS at the same time as I upgraded vbox, so who can say what's the real cause?) [00:29] antler :) [00:29] Urchlay, interesting [00:31] anyone here running vbox 2.2.4 or 3 and xp guest willing to participate in the "try it for antler" experiement? [00:32] we will run no evil windows for anybody :P [00:32] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-109-20.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:32] vbox 2.1 is also locking up on me very very occasionally (seems to be sound-related, and switching vbox to use oss emulation instead of native alsa has drastically reduced the lockups, not eliminated them though) [00:33] in both versions (for me), enabling a network device (in xp) causes a vbox critical error; and in both versions, the version's guest tools are installed [00:33] Action: nachox is off to sleep, night [00:33] the only versions that didn't hang (for me) was anything before 2.1.4 [00:34] before and including [00:34] night all [00:34] not messed with the network stuff. A long time ago I tried, but never got it working reliably (stuff like, the guest could ping a host on my LAN, but that host couldn't ping the guest... which is weird as pings imply 2-way traffic) [00:35] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.121.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] nachox: g'night [00:35] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:37] Hrm, there's definitely something wrong with that virtual hdd - the install crapped out [00:38] I am having access issues to mine trying to install [00:38] it just locks up [00:38] fucken annoying. 'welcome to the virtualbox registration form!' <----- my only two choices are 1) logon, 2) sign up, and 3) cancel. if 3), then welcome screen magically reappears next time vbox is launched [00:38] I blame this new version [00:39] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:39] just downloading a bug file it gets 62 and the entire vbox of slackware 12.2 freezes [00:39] s/bug/big [00:39] 62% [00:39] rworkman, does your mouse cursor blik really fast? [00:39] danc3 (n=danc3@wsip-24-120-62-66.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] in console [00:40] antler: is that the open source edition or the proprietary one? [00:40] antler, yeah [00:40] annoying [00:41] well, proprietary, of course [00:41] antler, let me know if you have issue with this version [00:41] s/issue/issues [00:44] juice: yes [00:44] see mine too [00:44] i tried disabling the apci then it blinks normal [00:44] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-151.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] you're having issues with 3? [00:44] yes [00:44] however doing that it seems to cause other issue [00:45] I re-enabled and now I am able to download and get things installed [00:45] juice: ^^ [00:45] granted cpu never drops below 100 [00:45] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [00:45] antler, yes [00:45] 3.0 I have yet to be able to run my vbox with either 100 plus cpu usage or it locking up [00:46] Nick change: Panzer -> panzer [00:46] someone told me it was the hept [00:46] vbox upgrade? Survey says... bzzzzzt! [X] [00:46] but I don't think this mobo even support that [00:46] and it is enabled in the default slack kernel [00:46] juice: whoah. i'll live with my (minor) vbox problem. :P [00:46] the hepatitis? better go get checked for that... [00:47] yeah I have gotten cpu of 116 runs about 100-102 [00:47] it also tried to tell me vt-x is enabled and won't let disable it [00:47] when I know it isn't even supported and the info for the box says it is disabled [00:48] http://www.freezedown.org/juice/vbox.png [00:48] why not just downgrade, juice [00:48] http://www.freezedown.org/juice/vbox2.png [00:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:49] i guess I am going to have too [00:49] juice: i had ver. 2.1.4 until about 2 weeks ago [00:50] ic [00:50] my issues had to do with enabling network devices in the guest [00:51] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] that's not an issue with ver3, for now... [00:51] hmm [00:52] this has been asked probably too many times, but i was looking at some benchmarks i did on some filesystems and i had some questions [00:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [00:52] i'm going to upload the results i have, give me a second or two [00:52] it's nice to see the option to enable multiprocessor support, even though it doesn't work? [00:52] i'm sure it works, but it shouldn't here [00:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] this is a p4 with ht [00:53] so don't think it has the vt-x [00:53] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/fsbench.html [00:53] juice: no, that was just a remark [00:54] for some reason my test results look very skewed [00:54] oh ok [00:54] TwinReverb, the last benchemarks i saw sad the only real diff in any fs speeds was noatime option on that particular partition [00:54] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-203.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] i tried to make this one as applicable as it is to my situation [00:54] VampirePenguin, but those are on systems that aren't realistic to the average home user (raid and such) [00:55] much less the tests aren't either (i don't randomly move files around or search for thousands of files) [00:55] i only tested mount and unmount time, copy/unpack/delete kernel tarball, and installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg times [00:55] these test were common everyday functions, opening files, finding files compression/decompression, etc... fs didnt matter the noatime switch did [00:56] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:56] well if you don't mind, disregard the tests on the internet and look at mine please [00:56] i benchmarked them all against a 1 GB SD card i have plugged into an express card reader [00:56] i'm wondering why the results seem so off [00:57] 1) is it normal to, if you want to test, say, installpkg, to do a time installpkg whatever && time sync and combine the two times? [00:57] 2) if it is, is that not real world? (since caching is so that it can write to the disk later when it has time) [00:58] 3) does calling "sync" right afterwards tend to eliminate the purpose of caching? i.e. am i using the FS in a way they were not intended? [00:58] (thus skewing the results) [00:58] 4) how the heck is ext4 showing times faster than even ext2? [00:58] i'm wondering if my methodology is right [00:59] ext4 has some special things that ext2 doesn't? [00:59] test7 was just installpkg a/aaa*.tgz xap/seamonkey*.tgz && upgradepkg patches/seamonkey*.tgz [00:59] Motoko-chan, extents [00:59] Yeah [00:59] Action: Motoko-chan couldn't remember the name [01:00] The benchmarks I've seen on ext4 are *impressive* [01:00] well sd cards by nature are slow to read and write toanny way... tests on ssd or hdd would yield more accurate results i would imagine [01:00] the feature set of ext4 to xfs is very similar, however, yet xfs posts some times that are so high that they are disturbing [01:00] thats cool though on those stats [01:00] ext4 looks like it does pretty welll [01:00] test6 was installpkg a/*.tgz && upgradepkg --install-new patches/*.tgz [01:00] er no, test 7 and test 6 are seamonkey only, test 5 is upgradepkg --install-new [01:01] maelstrom (n=maelstro@wikipedia/xx) joined ##slackware. [01:01] maelstrom (n=maelstro@wikipedia/xx) left ##slackware. [01:01] er no, test 7 and 6 are seamonkey only, test 5 is upgradepkg (without --install-new), test 4 is with --install-new [01:02] test 2 is splitting the SD card into four partitions, which is why there's no unpack or delete of the kernel build directory [01:02] test 3 is one partition so that i had space to unpack and delete the kernel build directory [01:02] i tried to do an applicability test though, i.e. "how many times per year do i actually do any of this?" on the far upper right [01:03] juice: i recently put together a very modest, but good box with a p4, 2.8gig. i had to add a few things to the tower -- it was the company's garbage -- but we're watching tv, movies, and listening to music on it; the midi controller is setup for the kid. it's great -- can't believe they threw it out [01:03] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:03] which basically took the "winner" of the tests and found how much difference it had between the average of the other filesystems, then multiplied by how many times per year i think i end up doing those things [01:03] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.201.127) joined ##slackware. [01:04] mount and unmount times really don't matter at all because of how little difference in time versus how many times i do it [01:04] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:04] hi all. how can I know if a filesystem is mounted with the setuid option enabled? [01:04] (reiserfs, just in case) [01:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:04] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:04] the once a week upgradepkg of firefox and other programs though, that actually had more impact, along with the kernel stuff (once every other week a new kernel version comes out) [01:04] jerojasro, "mount" and look [01:05] nice antler [01:05] by the way, "defaults" means "rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async." [01:06] TwinReverb: if it doesn't say anything, I can assume I have the defaults, which you just wrote above, right? [01:06] inconnu (i=1000@ant06-1-82-242-109-147.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] if mount doesn't say anything particular about the partition I'm interested in, at least [01:06] the times are odd though, as some of those tests i ran more than once to verify my findings and a mostly the times did not change, although ext4 the second time with upgradepkg actually slowed down drastically [01:06] Is there anyway to annoy house flies frack they sure annoy me. I guess I can catch them and remove there wings and then chase them around the table [01:07] /dev/root on / type xfs (rw,relatime,attr2,noquota) [01:07] /dev/mapper/cryptvg-home on /home type xfs (rw,logbufs=8,logbsize=262144) [01:08] juice: the clicking sound of chopsticks irritates flies; they associate that noise with the possibility of getting caught. [01:08] lol [01:09] juice, fly strips [01:09] Everytime I open the door to my room one flies in because I have my light on and the rest of the house is dark [01:09] I usually shut off the light for a minute so it will land on the monitor then I can whack it [01:10] TwinReverb, we have fly tap on most the windows [01:10] so the question is, is ext4 really really worth reinstalling slackware 12.2 using a customized procedure just to get ext4? [01:10] Wait until 13.0 [01:10] they seem to know how to avoid it, it catches maybe half of them [01:10] Late Breaking News: Slackware user alias "juice" whacks fly. [01:10] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] so far i use xfs and it seems to be doing good but still .... [01:10] whack as in smack :) [01:10] because i can always install from a -current DVD but point it to a repository of slackware 12.2 [01:11] jerojasro, "man mount" [01:12] dangit where are alienBOB rworkman thrice` tewmten straterra phrag when i need them? 8-) [01:12] rworkman, has been here [01:12] unless he disappeared [01:13] TwinReverb, why mess with something that works? [01:13] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Motoko-chan, um because i can? 8-) [01:13] Action: TwinReverb has had a four day weekend, gotta love being military [01:14] TwinReverb, http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1578 [01:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] very nice [01:15] 8-( [01:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [01:15] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:15] juice: 9%cpu 15.1%mem 9:18.59 VirtualBox 3 [01:16] hmm [01:16] 1% is 20 meg. [01:16] juice: proprietary version? [01:16] I had this issue on a Pentium D and Pentium 4 [01:16] homecable (i=open@206.225.143.78) joined ##slackware. [01:16] antler, yes [01:17] what kernel does slackware run what ver in stock install [01:17] juice: you installed guest additions as well? [01:17] what version of slackware? [01:17] newest one [01:17] homecable: that depends on the version of slackware. [01:17] Check distrowatch to see the list [01:17] 2.6.27.7 on slackware-12.2 [01:17] antler, yes [01:18] didn't help anything [01:18] slackware-13.0 will have 2.6.29.5 [01:19] juice: have you tried removing the machine's settings -- deleting the machine directory -- and creating another machine? [01:19] i havend used slackware in 5 years [01:19] not yet [01:19] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:19] homecable: and? [01:20] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] juice: try that--just don't delete the vm disk :D [01:20] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:20] thinking of dumping debian and installing slackware [01:20] on my server [01:21] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-76-40.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:21] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:21] homecable: sounds like a plan. :) [01:21] danc3 (n=danc3@wsip-24-120-62-66.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:23] why will 13.0 not have 2.6.30.1? [01:23] dchmelik: because PAtrick chose not to. [01:23] but it is stable [01:23] it would beat the other distros [01:24] beat as in "beat off"? [01:24] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:24] dchmelik: Ah but slackware is not about "beating" other distros [01:24] it would not hurt [01:25] BP{k}, did you see my post about filesystem benchmarks? what did you think? http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/fsbench.html [01:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:25] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [01:25] dchmelik: okay let me put is this way. 2.6.30.1 was released *AFTER* 13.0 went into RC status. [01:26] oh, alright, I assumed that, but a release candidate is not the final release.... [01:26] what kind of error is this [01:26] Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes. [01:26] lame [01:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.33) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:27] dchmelik: so build it, they will come... [01:27] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.201.127) left irc: "leaving" [01:28] well 13.0 is in -rc status so i'm going to be installing it anyways, so this will basically fix the whole ext4 thing and all that other stuff [01:28] dchmelik: no they aren't but at the same time, an RC means pretty much "lets fix whats broken and not introduce new stuff" [01:28] now i only need to decide if i want to install only -current or 64-current also [01:28] oh, ok [01:29] so far 64-current doesn't have 32bit compat and therefore no skype, but otherwise i'd prefer 64 [01:29] chopp: thought i'd tell you that i FINALLY got the tv card to work. remember? the same one you have. :D [01:29] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.33) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Action: TwinReverb wonders how long it will take him to copy his stuff from an external usb hard drive at 5400 rpm to rebuild his LUKS/LVM/home/swap [01:30] antler: hey right on, what did it need? a kick [01:30] TwinReverb: fred has 32compat libs which should be enough to make skype work. [01:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:31] chopp: not at all. i put the card in my kid's windows computer. [01:31] :D [01:32] antler: now you just earned a different color in wu-nickcolor.pl :P [01:34] gbonvehim (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] BP{k}, i've tried them per the instructions and they hosed my installation (last time i tried them) [01:34] chopp: :D [01:36] Gutz-afk (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: [01:36] TwinReverb: hosed .. how? [01:37] BP{k}, skype would not run. it also caused some other programs to do weird things [01:38] i am probably going to run two installations for now in light of this [01:38] antler: glad to hear you're using the card now anyway :) [01:38] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [01:38] in the hopes that (maybe) skype will come out in 64bit for linux [01:38] however, there are other assorted programs that are behind the power curve for 64bit [01:38] lamdk (n=user@adsl-75-36-132-169.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] lamdk (n=user@adsl-75-36-132-169.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [01:39] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.33) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:41] skype needs to make a new 32 bit version [01:41] for linux [01:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] should i be worried that my northbridge chipset fan is no more? [01:43] the only reason i'm concerned about Skype is because i'm on a remote tour and need to talk to my wife and kids. apart from that, i could really care less. [01:43] skype worked fine here with fred's 32compat libs, as does my 32bit version [01:44] which means that i may keep slackware-current / 13.0 just so long as i am here, wiping it out for 64-current when i get home [01:44] a lot of northbridges don't have fans [01:44] mine doesn't, however I thought about getting aheatsink with a fan for it [01:44] it gets rather toasty [01:45] in my city, there is a suburb called northbridge, where all the night clubs, strip clubs, adult stores are. Not really a safe place to be alone at night. [01:45] heh [01:45] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] juice: mine'll start provided i manually set the fan blades in motion, e.g., like those planes. [01:46] prop planes [01:46] lol [01:46] though nowadays they start by themselves [01:47] i wish this fan would as well [01:47] Holy hell. I've got snapshots that comprise 4+GB in vbox. On a 20G hdd image :/ [01:47] lol. [01:48] Note the plural. I've easily got 30G of snapshotting for 20G of disk. [01:50] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.203) joined ##slackware. [01:52] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [01:54] mac-_ (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:56] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." 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[02:28] rworkman, i'll be joining in testing 13.0-rc1 in a bit 8-) [02:28] probably slackware64-current [02:29] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:29] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.131) joined ##slackware. [02:34] thought you said 'in 8bit for a second' [02:38] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-236.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] sh0ne (n=Unknown@nat.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. 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[04:51] time to report problems then. no vgscan/vgchange after LUKS, no dbus (so wicd is broken) and KWord breaks when opening a .TXT file from the Slackware DVD [04:55] but at least ext4 is faster or so it seems 8-) [04:57] so you get errors quicker? ;-) [04:57] :D [04:58] no dbus is a major [04:58] that would mean no automount devices [04:58] on kde and xfce [04:59] I'm still doing an upgrade on current box which is going to ake ages by look of it [05:02] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:03] nv4phil_ (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [05:03] brklynRednek: his last name or shortening thereof [05:04] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.238) left irc: "Leaving." [05:04] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) [05:05] they are going to come out of the wood-work tonight. [05:05] Next SubGenius holiday: July 16 The Display of the Embarrassing Swimsuits [05:05] that's a day to look forward to then [05:06] spook, sw 13rc1 on a full moon? It don't bare thinking about [05:06] s/bare/bear/ [05:06] ? [05:06] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [05:07] too early need more caffeine in spellchecker [05:07] greetings [05:07] 13rc1 has been out a while now. [05:07] hiya spook [05:07] I haven't been checking lately [05:07] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-136.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:07] mornin The-Croupier [05:07] hiya dive hows it going [05:07] not bad thanks, yourself? [05:08] i have a small problem with my x cannot accept connections..protocol not specified... does anyone know where do i find the logs for the errors when i type startx in the beginning? [05:08] dive: trying to fix this error..slackware current [05:08] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:08] happened after the last update with the nvidia drivers [05:09] same with nv driver? [05:09] krion (n=seb@unaffiliated/krion) left ##slackware. [05:10] i am not sure if patrick is removing dbus [05:10] is there a replacement then? [05:10] i don't know [05:11] wicd was a luxury, not a requirement (i can still use ifconfig/iwconfig) [05:11] wicd is a must [05:11] er yeah but other things rely on dbus apart from wicd [05:11] dive: yep [05:11] so far i haven't discovered which things those are [05:11] dive: cannot accept connections..protocol not specified...what could i look for like where? [05:12] start kde and put a cd or usb stick in - does the device icon appear on desktop? [05:12] it doesnt happen on root...only on user [05:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:13] TwinReverb: far too many. even cups which is in a/ does. dbus is now a vital part of any linux desktop. [05:13] dive, i'm on xfce but the slackware dvd icon shows up and auto-mounts too [05:13] hmm [05:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:13] TwinReverb: yep..;) that does it on my xfce too ;) current seems to do lots of things automatically [05:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [05:14] about this protocol thing... where do i start looking.? [05:14] for example the beginnning logs...where are they [05:14] The-Croupier, have you tried creating a test user and starting x with it? [05:15] afaik the only log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old [05:15] oops [05:15] afaik the only log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log [05:15] autocomplete fail [05:15] dive: i see.. ;) [05:16] ill create a new user right away [05:16] thanks [05:16] checking xorg.conf atm [05:17] mac-___ (n=mac@194.176.102.109) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:17] mac-_ (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:18] i see some error on the load type1 under the modules... [05:19] i found it in xorg as well..:( dont know if deleting anything in xorg will screw it up more :( [05:20] The-Croupier: thats not it. look lower [05:20] well if you say it works as root then xorg.conf probably isn't the problem [05:20] slackware.com is down [05:20] dive: thats what i was thinking...but...:( [05:20] slava_dp, yeah I noticed that earlier [05:21] it's self-hosted by Pat, isn't it? [05:21] maybe someting happened when i tried twinview..:( [05:21] ill delete that section from xorg [05:22] slava_dp, not sure about that [05:22] perhaps it's a hint to buy more merchandise but the p and p to UK is abismail [05:23] abismal even [05:23] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [05:23] kontact actually works, surprisingly enough [05:24] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-168-104.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:26] stuck with a problem. i have a slackware box with an internal ide hdd. now i have the need to turn it into an external usb hdd (with an enclosure) and boot the same box from it. well, lilo booted the kernel, but then it refused to mount the rootfs. said there are no available file systems. the kernel is hugesmp.s. any ideas? [05:27] what kind of enclosure? usb? [05:27] boot from install dvd.. try to mount USB disk.. what happen [05:27] if the machine is not able to boot USB it won't boot it [05:28] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:28] it boots from the usb enclosure. lilo boots the kernel. but then the kernel has no filesystems available to mount as root. [05:29] Zordrak, connected the enclosure to my other box. it mounts all right. [05:29] on *that* machine.. what happens if you try to mount the USB disk from an already running huge kernel? [05:30] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] Zordrak, i will try now. i don't see what can go wrong with that, but i will. [05:31] rules out duff usb subsystem stuff, usb1 incompatability etc and proves for certain that on that hardware and that fs it will work [05:33] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.7) joined ##slackware. [05:36] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:36] UukGoblin (n=jaa@sr-fw1-2-nsrp.router.uk.clara.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] site's down :-( [05:37] again? [05:37] I guess. [05:37] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:38] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.44.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:40] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:40] *nod* [05:40] *bob* [05:41] *blob* [05:45] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] *plop* [05:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [05:53] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-f218258e9ff039c2) joined ##slackware. [05:53] hi [05:53] High_Priest, you messed it up [05:53] anyways, hi [05:54] edman007, what did I mess up? [05:54] *nod* *bob* *blob* *plop* hi [05:54] :( [05:54] :( [05:54] hi Priest [05:56] Action: High_Priest is sorry for messing up your rhyme [05:57] Action: edman007 feels better [05:57] now make me a sandwich [05:57] :-( [05:57] Action: dive turns edman007 into a sandwich *ding* [05:57] :( [05:58] nomnomnom [05:58] Action: edman007 puts dive on the grille [05:58] Sandwich: http://xkcd.com/149/ [05:58] ooh ooh hot [05:58] alienBOB, haha good one [05:59] sudo make me a sandwich [05:59] Please enter your password [05:59] ******** [06:00] d|v3OwesMeASandwich [06:00] edman007 is not in the list of sudoers.. this incidient will be reported [06:00] Action: edman007 reports alienBOB [06:00] nv4phil_ (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:01] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:02] hiya... new user works fine [06:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:02] something happened with the Xauthority of the previous user! :( [06:02] thought as much [06:02] i deleted it..after backup the files [06:02] yo everybody :) [06:03] y0 [06:03] C_Tux: hiya [06:03] yo [06:03] C_Tux, shortened name now? [06:03] what gives? [06:03] dive: yep ;) [06:03] because you feel small? [06:04] Action: edman007 tells C_Tux to make him a sandwich [06:04] dive: because I'm using ssh+screen+irssi with that nick, at first it wasn't meant to be permanent but it might be :) [06:05] I like Camarad_tux :( [06:05] edman007: no, I don't feel small! -_- [06:05] dive: I still might use it, I don't know yet [06:05] now I have to type 'c' underscore [06:05] tab [06:05] edman007: sorry, you're not sudoers either ;) [06:05] C_Tux, your right, it sounds like you can't afford to upgrade from your 640x480 screen [06:06] dive: it doesn't complete nicely, hmmmm, oh right it suuuuuucks for tab completion [06:06] edman007: no no, 1280x800 -_- [06:06] Action: C_Tux is currently looking to shop for hdtv and 5 meters holograms, does that feel small? [06:06] whereas 'ca' is a lot easier (and I'm lazy) :( [06:06] dive, which is why i just use c [06:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.130.117) joined ##slackware. [06:07] Action: dive is off out to visit a potential client [06:07] edman007, that's too easy [06:07] dive: I told firebird that his new nick was harder to tab-complete ;p [06:07] i got my client to sort the list by who spoke last, so on character is fine [06:07] esb_ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [06:07] edman007: yep, that's pretty efficient usually [06:07] laters [06:07] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:08] btw, what is the encoding rate for an HD x264 file? (1080p) [06:08] dive, you can't take the pure awesomeness that is xchat huh? [06:08] see you dive [06:08] new server: kent, brockman or kentbrockman? (To go with bart, lisa, marge, homer, apu, moleman and smithers) [06:08] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:09] magy (or however it's spelt) [06:10] maggie [06:11] no no.. i picked kent brockman because it's relevant to the function of the server.,.. as are all the others... but i cant decide betwen kent, brockman and kentbrockman [06:12] kent [06:12] because thats where i live [06:13] bah! [06:13] C_Tux, and maggie should be the cell phone, its small and mobile [06:13] edman007: as soon as i have a mobile running slack it will be called maggie :) [06:14] and is the smithers box radioactive? [06:14] no.. it Serves Males [06:14] .. [06:15] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Reav___ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [06:19] did someone installed and configured successfully compiz & compiz-fusion onto slack64 or slamd64 ? [06:19] hi what do i do when i am trying to play a flash file and it says "Cannot find codec for audio format 0XA"? [06:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:21] playing a flash video in the browser, my cpu smeels fried =/ [06:21] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [06:21] missyjane: looks like corrupted flash file [06:21] what player are you using? [06:21] NOOOOOOOOOO :( [06:21] im using mplayer [06:21] i doubt its corrupted tho [06:21] i was dling some of the same files that gave me this several times to make sure its not corrupted or dl problem [06:23] maybe try playing it with 'mplayer -ao null $yourfile' [06:23] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [06:24] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:24] ah looks like im not having the required lib [06:24] i show you the errors [06:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:25] Zordrak, tried booting several boxen from this usb hdd enclosure, looks like it's a controller problem. lilo boots the kernel everywhere, but the kernel can't find rootfs all the time. [06:26] http://www.pastebin.ca/1485541 [06:28] I had completely forgotten about that http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20071007.tar.bz2 [06:28] read "Binary Codec Packages" on http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html [06:28] thats the one i dled :| [06:28] slava_dp: then perhaps your kernel is missing the driver for it [06:28] hold on [06:28] slava_dp: wouldnt hurt to find out what driver i-s required and chucking if it's includedh in huge [06:29] Zordrak, heh, but when i plug that into a running slackware with the same kernel, it works and mounts all right. [06:29] all-20071007.tar.bz2 [06:29] yup thats the exact one i have [06:30] slava_dp: yes... because the driver will be available as a module [06:30] slava_dp: yes... but unless it's available IN KERNEL at boot time.. it wont mount it [06:30] which means either an initrd (hateful thing) or just compiling a kernel with the controller in it [06:30] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@123.122.103.8) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:31] all the evidence says you need a driver that is compiled as a module and is therefore not available at boot [06:31] missyjane: do you have wmspdmod.dll and/or wmavds32.ax? [06:32] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:32] yes i do according to l;ocate [06:33] but who the **** is winders? [06:33] o [06:33] heh *feels extremely stupid [06:33] /usr/lib/codecs/wmspdmod.dll [06:34] is slackware.com down, or is it something on my end? [06:34] t0f: no, it's down, should be hardware-related [06:34] adeodatus1 (n=rp@92.85.212.112) joined ##slackware. [06:35] t0f: down again [06:35] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [06:35] adeodatus1 (n=rp@92.85.212.112) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:35] maybe preparing for 13.0? heh [06:35] so i have it, im not sure why it isnt playing it, maybe i need a flash player? [06:35] missyjane: mplayer should be able to play it [06:36] but it doesnt.. :( [06:36] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:38] hi people... i'm trying to set up the mic on 12.2... i got it to a point where everything spoken into the mic is heard through the speakers but i cannot record anything (or talk with skype) [06:38] how can firefox use more than one processor :o [06:38] any ideas [06:38] it's eating my two cpus ! [06:38] missyjane: I don't really know =/ [06:39] ok, killed flash, everything's better now [06:39] lol [06:40] does anyone know a good flash player beside mplayer? :( [06:40] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:40] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.139.171) joined ##slackware. [06:41] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] any native/good english speakers who could comment whether message "Session was ended, please relogin!" is correct, and what could be a better version ? [06:41] it somehow... doesn't sound right to me [06:42] its not an error message [06:42] Richlv: session has ended??? [06:42] session was teminated [06:42] Richlv: s/was\ //g [06:43] Richlv: Session ended. Please re-login. [06:43] adeodatus (n=rp@92.85.212.112) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:43] or terminated [06:43] terminated is better [06:43] Richlv: Session terminated. Please re-login. [06:45] alright i will come back [06:45] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-71.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:45] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [06:46] Zordrak, zoran119, thanks [06:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-71.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Im just glad you asked. So many people (ESPECIALLY chinese/japanese) write stuff in english but never have anyone who speaks english natively check it [06:52] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7ad4.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:53] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "leaving" [06:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b5f8f0a0844f0e29) joined ##slackware. [06:56] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [07:23] greetings [07:25] The-Croupier: yo [07:25] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:26] alisonken1noc: how is it going today? [07:26] same old same old - kill a service here - find a lost machine there [07:26] i see...:( [07:27] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [07:27] replace bad raid drives all over the place [07:27] i just deleted my last/old user... and the new one for some reason didnt get the groups right..now xfce/fluxbox dont have shutdown..etc buttons :( lol [07:27] fun stuff [07:27] alisonken1noc: im on holidays for another week..dont have to deal with "fun stuff" yet [07:28] lol [07:28] :) [07:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:28] the family's going on a mission trip friday - just me the dog and the fish next week [07:28] trying to change the xfce a little now though [07:28] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-136.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [07:28] alisonken1noc: lucky guy...quietness/silence/awsomeness [07:29] massive boredom :) [07:29] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.44.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:29] except I'll be playing with slackware64 on a silicon mechanics server [07:30] switch_ (n=nobody@c-98-235-92-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-140-179.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Someone should change the topic to "The world ended yesterday, and hlackware.com MAY DIE!" [07:30] er, slackware [07:31] topic fail [07:31] switch_: die?! why ? [07:31] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-131-20.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] alisonken1noc: i see some wierd stuff on my laptop lately and i have not so much time to deal with it..its a submittion period not a testing one :( [07:32] submittion? would that be submission? [07:34] alisonken1noc: submission ;) yep [07:35] is that how you pronounce it? :) [07:36] only if you have a hairlip :) [07:39] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [07:42] the-croupier - is www.slackware.com up now? [07:43] it's down for me, and has been, on and off for several days now as far as I can tell. [07:43] anyone know how to convert hh:mm:ss to mm:ss in scalc? [07:44] pinentry-qt: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:46] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC01C48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:48] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:49] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:50] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [07:51] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:55] CRAZY_SCIENTIST (n=xxx@unaffiliated/crazyscientist/x-886432) joined ##slackware. [07:55] hi all [07:58] can someone help me with to create an ORBit-2.14.17 package? [07:58] -with [07:58] looks like sourceforge is borked [07:59] has anyone got printing codes in top left corner using cups with an epson printer? [07:59] CTCP FINGER: from CRAZY_SCIENTIST (CRAZY_SCIENTIST!n=xxx@unaffiliated/crazyscientist/x-886432) to ##slackware [08:00] CRAZY_SCIENTIST, please do not CTCP FINGER the entire channel [08:00] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Connection timed out [08:01] ok [08:01] Action: TwinReverb nudges rworkman alienBOB phrag W|GGL|T nachox stx and Alan_Hicks [08:02] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] anyone? [08:02] esbjorn (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] esbjorn (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Lämnar"). [08:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:05] hey man [08:05] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] are you talking to me? [08:05] chill the fsck out on the ctcp requests [08:05] you made my computer wake me up with an alarm [08:06] why do you have an alarm that is triggered by CTCP requests? [08:07] switch_ (n=nobody@c-98-235-92-129.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [08:08] CTCP CAN: someone help me out here please? from CRAZY_SCIENTIST (CRAZY_SCIENTIST!n=xxx@unaffiliated/crazyscientist/x-886432) to ##slackware [08:08] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] he's implying that you are a moron [08:09] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [08:09] hello [08:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:09] CRAZY_SCIENTIST, stop acting like a spoiled brat and wait until someone answers your question.. [08:10] ok [08:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:11] did you even ask an appropriate question? [08:12] Action: TwinReverb reported the breakage of pinentry-qt to patrick [08:12] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:13] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [08:13] Action: Zordrak wants electron-neutral lightning [08:13] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: here -> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/ORBit2/ [08:13] TwinReverb: what is broken? [08:13] pinentry-qt [08:13] what i am asking is, i want to to make an ORBit2 package and the one i made does not install everything properly [08:13] are you suuure? [08:13] i am sure [08:13] full slackware-current install. it can't find a library [08:13] i am asking for help [08:14] yes [08:15] TwinReverb: what wants that? [08:15] pinentry-qt: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [08:16] find / -name libqt-mt* has no results [08:16] it's extra/qt3 [08:16] TwinReverb: pinetry requires qt3 [08:16] which is extra or something [08:16] s//in [08:16] it hasn't been upgraded as part of kde4? [08:16] it cant [08:16] *i think* [08:16] it's in n/ [08:16] I don't think there IS a qt4 equiv [08:17] qt3 is somewhere else [08:17] pasture, kde-extragear whats it called [08:18] extra/kde3-crap/ to be precise [08:18] i thought it was in extra [08:18] and it's "krap" if it's a kde thing btw 8-) [08:19] there are other stuff looking for qt3 in slackware. if you want to use em install the stuff from extra [08:19] what i did is this, i decompress and untar the source code file, i run ./configure --prefix=~/Desktop/orbit, then make, make install. i then change the working directory to the one that was created by the installation procedure and execute makepkg orbit.tlz [08:19] going there [08:20] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/ORBit2/ [08:20] use that [08:21] ok i will download it right away [08:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-162-71.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:23] it is only 2.2 KB [08:23] that is not right [08:23] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:24] you use the slackbuild AND the source, and it pops out a slackware package [08:24] yes i read the slackbuild file [08:24] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [08:24] starting the process and going to the hoow to [08:25] how* [08:25] basically, grab: [08:25] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/libraries/ORBit2.tar.gz [08:25] i have it [08:25] untar, put the source in that directory, and run "sh orbit*.SlackBuild" [08:25] ok [08:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.152.7) joined ##slackware. [08:29] well the package is installed (made sure i installed the right one by looking at MANIFEST.bz2) but pinentry-qt is still broken for the same file [08:29] it may be un-fixable [08:30] hm i have an old version of glib so i have to get that first, searching for package [08:30] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: what does "cat /etc/*version" say ? [08:30] Slackware 12.2.0 [08:30] Slax 6.2.0 [08:31] no [08:31] slax is NOT slackware [08:31] ? [08:31] ?? [08:31] the the directory hierarchy is the same [08:31] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-66-208.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] -the [08:31] sorry, go bug slax guys [08:32] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: most linuxes have the same hierarchy [08:32] i know [08:32] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: there are things that are different from each distro.. try the slax channel [08:32] they might know alot more [08:32] every package i have used from official and non official package builders work perfectly [08:33] gbonvehim (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [08:33] see, if you did as I said on slackware 12.2, it would work [08:33] when you do it on your slax version, it doesn't work [08:33] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:33] there is 1 important difference between those two sentences [08:34] yes because the glib version is 1.2.0 [08:34] slackware has a glib2 package [08:34] i will change that by removing it and installing the latest version [08:34] the current slack [08:35] good luck, i'm not going to comment anymore :) [08:36] guax (n=guaxinim@201-34-141-194.fnsce704.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:36] are you saying that slax is not a LiveCD slackware distribution because the required library that is included is older than the one that is included with the current slack? [08:37] slax is effectively a fork of slackware [08:37] slax is NOT slackware. [08:37] yes but it is based on it [08:37] as such, it is not OFFICIALLY supported in this channel, but the only place better than this to get help with slax, is #slax [08:38] it is not like other LiveCD distros which are modified extensively [08:38] well, slax is very different to slackware. [08:39] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] how? [08:39] so while we can help you in general with the stuff that is similar, we can't possibly know exactly what is different. [08:39] did you know that SuSE is based on slackware too? [08:39] suse started as a german translation of slackware. [08:39] opensuse or suse? [08:39] 99% of the time, the issues (like the one you have) are specific to slax, not slackware [08:40] both CRAZY_SCIENTIST [08:40] opensuse is a fork of suse [08:40] er.. [08:40] no [08:40] it's like someone coming in and saying "my RPM won't install on openSUSE, it's based on slack" [08:40] openSUSE is the opensource version of Suse Enterprise Linux [08:40] its not a "fork" [08:41] why would you need a german translation. Slackware works in german [08:41] Dominian: they both use rpm, i dont really care :P [08:41] hiptobecubic: not back when suse started. [08:41] so they forked instead of translating? [08:41] a package is older that can be changed easily [08:41] the forking came a bit later [08:42] along with the whole rpm thing [08:42] just because a package s older it does not mean that slax is a slack fork [08:42] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: basically, you're not going to get much help here. [08:42] it is a derivative [08:42] is* [08:43] ok [08:43] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: call it what you want, we can't help you. [08:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.32) joined ##slackware. [08:43] if we knew, we [08:43] i call it how it is not what i want [08:43] 'd help [08:43] it's different enough to make problems (like yours) specific to slax, and not exist on slackware [08:44] i understand your position [08:44] How is calling Slax a derivative... change the fact it is a fork? [08:44] afaik, the two terms are interchangeable [08:45] no [08:45] a fork is developed independently [08:45] Dominian: i agree, the two terms are interchangeable [ in bed ] [08:45] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: yes, slax fits that description [08:46] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:46] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: slax is developed independently [08:46] the source is the same [08:46] 13.0rc1? [08:46] nice [08:46] skibur: for both 32 and 64, they are in rc1 [08:46] CRAZY_SCIENTIST, the source is always the same. It's source. [08:46] cool [08:46] mantained not developed [08:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAX [08:47] for the love of Bob, read [08:48] maintainted* [08:48] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: If you wanna argue.. that's great.. but please move it else where.. if you need help with Slackware, by all means feel free to stay.. other than that... we really don't care :) [08:48] main-tainted indeed :-) [08:48] 'Slax is a Linux Live CD operating system based on Slackware.' [08:49] not slax is a fork of slackware [08:49] ok [08:49] its a moot point CRAZY_SCIENTIST [08:49] what do you mean? [08:49] No matter how you slice it, you will be wrong. This is the wrong support channel. [08:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] yes i know [08:49] Then drop it please. [08:50] yes [08:50] Its a pointless argument. [08:50] pls do [08:50] unixfool: ! [08:50] unixfool: Where you been!? [08:50] :) [08:50] working my ass off [08:50] unixfool: Have a good fourth? [08:50] yeah, good enough...stayed home and vegetated [08:50] yourself? [08:50] haha [08:50] the channel might not be about slax but that does not change the fact that slax is not a fork, that is all i am saying [08:50] ohh... let say... Saturday night... I was a LOT drunk :D [08:50] CRAZY_SCIENTIST last chance [08:50] Dominian LOL [08:51] Action: Zordrak just converted back to vodafone from t-mobile. I feel so dirty [08:51] unixfool, i am not saying provide support for slax users [08:51] ##slackware: mode change '+o unixfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:51] unixfool: ltns [08:51] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: That's not the way this works... [08:51] pls drop it...see ##slax for questions [08:51] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: Slackware is Slackware.. Slax is Slax.. they are fundamentally different in how they operate. [08:51] lol [08:52] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: That's like an Ubuntu user going into a Debian channel expecting help.. it won't happen. [08:52] In fact, if this *were* Debian's channel.. you'd probably already be banned heh [08:52] lol [08:53] hrmm....brb [08:53] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "BitchX: the OTHER white meat" [08:53] i told you i understand, i am not asking you for slax specific help [08:53] anyway, it's useless. good luck CRAZY_SCIENTIST [08:53] ok [08:54] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: If you wanna try Slackware, we'll help you then. [08:54] :P [08:54] :P [08:55] if you want to keep arguing though, we can help you too. :) [08:55] spook: actually, I'm sure unixfool will "end" that quickly ;) [08:55] thats what i mean when i say 'help' [08:56] sourceforge.net is back but something isn't right with their db I think [08:56] when you say arguing? [08:56] dive: sf.net keeps changing their look.. I'm surprised they haven't had DB issues before now [08:56] unixfool (n=OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [08:56] go to gimp-print page and the download button is for soe usb source [08:56] s/soe/some [08:57] dusty_ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] dusty_ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Dominian, yeah I much prefered the old look - the way it was for years [08:57] dive: yeah [08:58] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC01C48.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Dominian: got curious, and found out that bw64's wikipedia article got deleted. [08:59] This page was deleted after a proposed deletion tag was added. The reason given was "No established notability". [08:59] Another editor endorsed the proposed deletion. The reason given was "There are many versions of Linux out there, as open source software pretty much ANYONE can make their own version of Linux. Absent any reason why this version is particularly notable there's no reason why this deserves an article.". [09:00] is it notable? [09:00] spook: Yeah I rea dthrough all that [09:00] it seems not [09:01] hrm... that's arguable [09:01] to me.. it is notable.. for the rip off artist the maintainer is. [09:01] However, his BS tactics are finally catching up to him [09:01] rip off artist? [09:01] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: its a very long story [09:02] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: slackadelic.com go back a few years. [09:02] going there [09:03] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:05] this http://slackadelic.com/2008/05/05/plagiarism/ ? [09:05] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: yeah. [09:05] pssst, thats Dominian's blog. [09:05] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Hello! [09:07] hi [09:07] guys..in order to change the themes on xfce..i was told the /usr/share/themes/ and the ~/.themes/ i created the later..but none of those seems to be recognised by xfce-settings-manager apearance [09:07] any ideas? i uncompressed and cp the files in those folders... but nothing so far [09:08] maybe im doing something wrong...:( [09:08] he still copy pastes changelog text? [09:08] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: wouldnt surprise me [09:09] why is this a bad thing? it is a changelog [09:10] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: yep hes still doing it. [09:11] who is bothered by it? [09:11] and why [09:11] he doesnt give any credit. [09:12] did anyone send him an e-mail to ask him why he does not mention where did he copy the text from? [09:12] The-Croupier: uhm ~/.themes works for me. [09:12] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: oh he comes into this channel every now and again [09:13] i didn't realize that [09:13] is he here now? [09:13] no.. he isn't [09:13] and neither his is cronie [09:13] thanks god [09:13] Dominian: thanks bob [09:13] that's no different from that guy who copies slackware.com and runs slackware.org [09:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] what is cronie? [09:14] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: henchman ? [09:14] oh [09:14] i saw pat railing about that in this channel awhile back [09:14] BP{k}: checking again... [09:14] The-Croupier: if it's a gtk engine, it may need compiling actually [09:14] i am Greek so my knowledge of the english slang is not that extensive [09:15] but if it's a theme that uses another engine already installed on your system, ~/.themes will work [09:15] unixfool: slackware.org is not a copy web site - it is a redirect to slackware.com .. and yes, slackware.org is not owned by Slackware unfortunately [09:15] ahhh [09:15] http://www.slackware.com is down, why? [09:16] maybe a new design! [09:16] :P [09:16] gabriel_: it was down 16 hours ago too [09:16] why unfortunately? [09:16] it's the curse I tells ye [09:16] the flippy logo has consumed it [09:16] XIII will be doooom to us all [09:16] its been down a few days now [09:16] gnubien, from 4 july [09:17] ok [09:17] from the beginning the domain name for the slack website was slackware.com? [09:17] maybe pat decided to celebrate independance with fireworks and the slackware.com machine? [09:17] yup [09:17] maybe a new design with the release 13 [09:17] :P [09:18] a new release is imminent? [09:18] it better be in roman numerals imo [09:18] not exactly imminent [09:18] its RC1 [09:18] oh [09:18] few more weeks imo [09:18] Action: slava_dp hopes it's few more months [09:18] tough luck! [09:19] the lzma compression for the packages is staying, correct? [09:19] slava_dp: oh? [09:19] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:19] the tukaani software is not developed anymore by the original author [09:19] CRAZY_SCIENTIST: yes it is, it's just called xz-utils now [09:20] and it is developed by a slack team member? [09:20] spook, intel driver instability due to the new xorg. most of the stuff i work with is intel-based. [09:21] slava_dp: ah. maybe earlier version will be packaged? [09:22] spook, earlier intel is for xorg 1.4.2. so i'll probably stay with slack 12.2 for production till they come out with an improved driver. [09:23] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] but i bet most people will be fine with what 13.0 currently ships. [09:24] no new wine yet [09:24] 12.2 is the best and greatest ever slackware for me though :-) [09:25] unixfool: actually I think slackware.org forwards to slackware.com now [09:25] Unless I missed the joke [09:25] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [09:25] neither of them load, so... [09:25] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [09:26] CRAZY_SCIENTIST, might i ask you to do /nick crazy_scientist ? uppercase nicks hurt eyes. [09:26] spook: that was my point :P [09:26] Nick change: CRAZY_SCIENTIST -> C_S [09:27] slava_dp: if you going to ask, why not ask him to change to the secret server, /server secret.freenode.net [09:27] spook, lol [09:28] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:28] you are not used to it [09:29] do you like Greek food? :P [09:29] zorba's food [09:30] lol [09:30] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:31] my big fat greek wedding was a good movie [09:31] you mean is [09:32] you saw it at the cinema? [09:33] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [09:33] C_S, on dvd [09:33] alone? [09:33] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) joined ##slackware. [09:33] C_S, with my family, if that matters :) [09:34] it does [09:34] do you want to travel to Greece? [09:34] dominian, looks like you might be right since slackware.org won't resolve either (like slackware.com) [09:34] aye [09:34] I do remember him going off about that though [09:35] maybe it was a DDoS attack [09:35] doubt it [09:35] C_S, been there once, some 6 years ago. to the corfu island. was pretty nice, i liked it. [09:35] you stayed for over one month? [09:36] C_S, more like one week [09:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:36] Action: Zordrak would like "The Slashdot Effect" renamed to SDoS [09:36] hah [09:36] if you had more money you would extend your stay? [09:36] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/images/xiii.gif [09:36] lol@zordrak [09:37] wtf...no tab completion for xchat aqua [09:37] a new boot image for lilo [09:38] is someone here good in assembly programming? [09:38] C_S, what, is it some kind of questionnaire? well yeah, vacation is nice in any place in the world (mostly). it was warm and sunny in Greece, so no complaints :) [09:38] irssi ftw [09:38] i have macirssi :) [09:38] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] no i like to learn about people and what they think of my country [09:39] unixfool: woot [09:39] oh that's right.. you got the powerbook don't you? [09:39] oooooh now i know why C_S is here. [09:39] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) [09:39] lol [09:39] argh [09:40] macbook. next year, i think i'll get the macbook pro or maybe even a mac pro [09:40] Ya know.. Saturday night.. I was about 19 sheets to the wind.. and for some reason I thought about that spook [09:40] gibbous? [09:40] about the moon.. waxing gibbous... I have no idea why I thought about it in my drunken stupper.. but I did. [09:40] aha...had to enable tab complete [09:40] you drink a lot? [09:40] pihentagyu (n=doeppjak@89.123.202.39) joined ##slackware. [09:41] C_S: On the 4th of July I did :D [09:41] to the point of not being able to control yourself? [09:41] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] lol [09:43] you drink every day? [09:43] C_S, in USA 4th July is Independence Day [09:44] i cant sleep. went to bed at 4am and apparently the house alarm went off. i woke up to the police beating on my door. said the front door was opened and the alarm went off, but when i checked, it was locked [09:44] i know [09:44] and in Britain it's kick the cat day [09:44] i try to kick a cat EVERY day [09:44] lol [09:44] s/Britain/England/ [09:44] have you seen any lolcat pictures? :P [09:45] there's this cat that likes to use our flower beds as a toilet. it won't even bury its crap [09:45] free fertilizer [09:46] i sprinkled cayanne on the ground though...haven't seen any crap in awhile [09:46] anyone know anything about slack on 2.6.29 & HPET? setting up a server for 13 and not sure whether to kill HPET in BIOS [09:46] buy an air gun [09:46] Dominian, ug...i'd rather use cow dung [09:46] lol [09:46] cat crap is a bit acidic [09:46] and there's a lot of it [09:47] yeah, i'd love to use an airgun but that could land me in jail [09:47] not if no one sees you [09:47] Nick change: guax -> guaxinim [09:47] next time, i think i'm gonna use a trap then take it to the pound [09:48] then go tell the neighbor [09:48] you could use a laser pointer to drive it into a trap [09:48] lol [09:48] "Bob" will see you [09:49] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] you can drown it then [09:49] or let it starve [09:50] i just want it kept inside. there are leash laws here. cops won't do anything without absolute proof. [09:50] leash law? [09:50] man, i've been gone so long that i no longer show in the channel stats [09:51] yeah, cats and dogs have to be on leashes at all times [09:51] why not put a video camera to record the cat? [09:51] unixfool: actually been after you for a while to see about some functionality for the 'boy [09:51] Zordrak, ahhh...what type of functions? [09:52] why do you* [09:52] C_S, that's not a bad idea there [09:52] :) [09:52] the ability to ban zordrak [09:52] lol [09:52] what did he do? [09:52] whaze (n=whaze@cha13-1-88-181-22-185.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] i can test it on straterra [09:52] nothing worth banning for [09:53] thats cool [09:53] hehe [09:53] Wouldn't be the first time [09:53] unixfool: i dont know about anyone else, but id find it immensely useful to be able to !tu to get him to paste or msg a tinyurl for the most recently pasted url.. like many im on a terminal and cant paste to browser.. so have to type links out on the second machine [09:53] most of you are students? [09:53] hell, i've been trying to get him to auto identify for YEARS...been unsuccessful for YEARS [09:53] is it me, but Slackware.com doesn't load [09:53] SLACKWARE.COM IS DOWN [09:53] correct [09:54] do not fear [09:54] Zordrak, i'll look into that [09:54] when will they be online again? [09:54] WhenItsReady [09:55] more than 2 days? [09:55] :D [09:55] how should we know? [09:55] o ok [09:56] is it not this the official IRC channel? [09:56] no [09:56] that's what ## means [09:56] john_dee (n=id@93.81.119.74) joined ##slackware. [09:56] ## means official ? [09:56] but this channel is as official as it can get [09:56] # means official [09:56] ## is non [09:56] this is the official unofficial channel. [09:56] ;) [09:56] lol [09:57] thats official [09:57] the naming convention began in freenode? [09:57] this* [09:58] i was wondering why it redirects the channel [09:58] i think for it to be #, pat has to actually own the channel. from what i understand, he really doesn't care for establishing a project channel. he's been fine without it so far [09:58] john_dee (n=id@93.81.119.74) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:58] yeah [09:58] does join this channel? [09:58] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:59] does he* [09:59] sometimes, yeah [09:59] not regularly, though [10:00] he will keep working on slackware as long as he can? [10:00] i'm assuming yeah [10:01] the first distribution i used was mandrake :P [10:02] mine was slack v3.3, but i did mandrake also, a few years later (maybe 1999) [10:02] unixfool: k' ta [10:02] hrm.. I thinmk I'm still recovering from the weekend [10:02] just wenet off on a co-worker.. oops [10:02] where did you learn about linux? [10:04] you must be older than 26 years old [10:04] in college. wanted to be able to code in C without having to purchase a windows compiler. unfortunately, it wasn't as simple as l thought I'd be, as I had to install linux...it wasn't quite as easy back then as it is now. by the time i learned about compiling with gcc, my courses were long over [10:04] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] lol...yeah, i'm way older than that [10:05] i know [10:05] moh2a (n=mohaa@89.16.14.99) joined ##slackware. [10:05] i was 21 a few weeks ago [10:05] 45? :P [10:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] damn...close [10:05] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.84.52.226) joined ##slackware. [10:05] 41 [10:05] old school user :) [10:05] what is command for screenshoot? [10:05] spook, 22 now, eh? happy belated birthday! [10:05] bah.. everyones always much older or younger than me [10:06] or what is command for "printScreen" [10:06] Zordrak, unfortunately, that's always going to be the case [10:06] lol [10:06] well i first used a command line that makes me old school too :P [10:06] dorin_: man import [10:06] dorin_, what DE you using? [10:06] Action: Zordrak covers his eyes and blindly hits enter to run ext4 on a production server for the first time [10:06] unixfool: no, 21 now. [10:06] there was also the 'import' command...forgot how to use that, though [10:07] but thanks :) [10:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] oh, you turned 21 a few weeks ago [10:07] import -window root ~/ss.png or so [10:07] there ya go [10:07] if xfce is DE then,XFCE4 [10:07] thrice`: you irish? Or do you just like mount errors? :) [10:07] unixfool is a young brat ;-) [10:07] lol [10:07] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [10:07] LOL [10:07] I'll be 30 this summer. I'm 2F now. [10:08] i am 23 [10:08] 2F? [10:08] rob0: hehehe [10:08] hex [10:08] Zordrak: sorry, don't follow :( [10:08] lol [10:08] lol [10:08] thrice`: nm [10:08] lol [10:08] 47 turning 48, if my hex is right [10:08] 11001 [10:09] it looked like you said "i'm too fine now" [10:09] :P [10:09] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:10] you speak binary too? :P [10:10] C_S, there are 10 kinds of people in the world ... [10:10] bbiab [10:10] hehe [10:12] only dead people get this joke [10:12] LOL [10:13] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [10:13] http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/any-key.html :P [10:14] i am sure i will meet many clueless about computers people that own one [10:14] when i go to the usa [10:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [10:16] greece does not have many opportunities [10:18] damnnit i wish updating the current source didnt take so long [10:18] need to start cronning [10:19] what do you think about obama? [10:19] they say that he has done nothing yet and that all he does is being a celebrity [10:20] hes mending fences. [10:20] lol [10:20] what hes doing now might not be apparent, but in 5-10 years it probally will be [10:20] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [10:21] then the people that say he does nothing are not very intelligent [10:23] not really [10:23] scientology in greece is trying to be recognised as a religion :P [10:23] i would say it is because he has done nothing that directly benefits them [10:23] Where can I find firefox 3.5 package? [10:23] C_S: oh dear. [10:23] C_S: protest. [10:23] Action: Zordrak is waiting for a UK Obama [10:24] in germany the police put up notices warning people that it is a cult [10:24] pri4pus: I made my own. [10:24] they are not letting them [10:24] the courts [10:24] pri4pus, i have the same question [10:24] in the nineties they were turned down [10:24] C_S: good. they are a religion here (australia). [10:25] its flip flopped a few times over last 50 years. [10:25] what they accepted them? [10:25] being ex-cons, you'd expect Australians to be harder to fool :) [10:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [10:25] lol [10:25] that was pretty deep. [10:25] Zordrak: i'm first generation australian, so... [10:26] heh [10:26] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) left ##slackware. [10:27] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] http://www.unchain.gr/ here it has info about it [10:27] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [10:28] the scientology case [10:28] morning pholks [10:28] moning [10:28] hi macavity [10:28] macavity: warning, moon is 99% full [10:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [10:30] the gibbons are waxing [10:31] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [10:31] xenu is watching us [10:31] :P [10:31] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.84.52.226) left irc: Success [10:31] "Bob" says there is no xenu [10:31] and he should know [10:32] there are also no gods [10:33] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-4e58e9245f5e4d59) left irc: [10:33] bob would differ [10:33] how is the situation with creationism in the usa? [10:33] Oh god [10:33] politics in ## [10:34] whaze (n=whaze@cha13-1-88-181-22-185.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [10:34] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6821746499023089958 [10:35] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:35] spook: oh, how lovely :-) [10:35] education will be worse with the creationism nonsense [10:35] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2c3f02a9438873a6) joined ##slackware. [10:35] er just noticed some rather colourful language in that video so don't click if you're under 18 [10:36] lol [10:36] colourful? are you bloody english? :P [10:36] Starchaser (n=iron@89.251.107.28) joined ##slackware. [10:36] "colourful", eg? :P [10:36] english of the bloodiest kind [10:36] :P [10:37] you live in london? [10:37] nope [10:38] you live in athens? [10:38] lol [10:38] notting hill? where julia roerts and hugh grant lived? [10:38] yes [10:39] C_S: will education really be worse? [10:39] C_S: we also spell 'colour' properly here in Canada [10:39] if they replace it with nonsense yes [10:39] C_S: people should be free to believe as they wish. [10:39] what kids need is excellent nurture and education [10:39] "You say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work." --Sherlock Holmes [10:40] only if they understand why they believe it [10:40] and if it is rational of course [10:40] scientology make people pay to believe, and litigate anyone trying to expose the truth of the religion or practice their religion without paying them money [10:40] C_S: no, without any of those restrictions. [10:40] C_S: I am sure that the people who discovered and refined the concept of evolution were also taught nonsense as kids [10:41] people should be free to believe in what they want, wether or not they understand why, or if it is rational [10:41] and when they realized that it is nonsense they rejected the nonsense [10:41] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:41] nfs installs ftw [10:41] C_S: I am not saying that we should intentionally teach nonsense, but that it is status quo and we have internal noise filters for that stuff [10:41] and they are free to stop believing. [10:41] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-246-220.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Zordrak: pxe + nfs/samba/http/ftp ftw :P [10:42] what if they think that god spoke to them and told them to kill people? [10:42] pxe is a bastard [10:42] free to believe that. [10:42] its against the law to kill people. [10:42] should we let them believe that and let them kill? [10:42] C_S: we should let them believe, as for letting them kill, we do not have a choice [10:43] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [10:43] C_S: we let them believe, or rather, we cant do anything to stop them believing. [10:43] we do [10:43] C_S: then how come murders keep happening? because we want them to? [10:43] of course we can teach them critical thinking [10:43] Zordrak: its simple to setup once you've done it a few times [10:43] yes [10:44] or there is a mental disorder [10:44] C_S: critical thinking is sure to cure mental disorders or the will of the people [10:44] crtical thnking will teach people how to think [10:45] most do not think correctly [10:45] you cant teach people how to think. [10:45] they have to choose how to think. [10:45] do they teach philosophy in schools? [10:45] no [10:45] they should [10:46] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:46] they did at my school [10:46] let me correct myself [10:46] I wasn't aware that they taught philosophy anywhere but schools [10:46] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] they must if they want things to change to the better [10:46] whats wrong with how things are now? [10:46] from elementary schools? [10:47] spook: unsustainable [10:47] Ballsacks [10:47] NFS install is dying about 3 packages in and i dont know why [10:47] error is replaced by ncurses [10:47] then we have the ignorant parents [10:47] Zordrak: ftp? [10:47] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [10:47] spook: if necessary.. but would like to clear the error [10:48] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] Zordrak: try doing the nfs mount manually [10:48] do they have religion lessona in us schools? [10:48] lessons* [10:49] if they do they probably only teach about christianity [10:49] no offense, but this type of chat is touchy...this channel is not a good place for such chat [10:49] ok [10:49] #slack-religion [10:49] :P [10:50] i am in :P [10:50] clebeer (n=clebeer@server.brc.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:51] thx [10:51] damnnit [10:51] pihentagyu (n=doeppjak@89.123.202.39) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] unixfool: :) [10:51] spook: manual mount - same problem [10:51] dies during ap [10:52] Zordrak: well, i meant more, manual mount, try some operations on files, see what happens [10:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:52] spook: all looks well [10:52] can you enable debugging on the server? [10:53] i know its presumptious but im wondering if it's me or -current [10:53] clebeer (n=clebeer@server.brc.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] will take a look [10:53] i had some problems over nfs installing slack-current too [10:54] i use http, easy enough [10:54] powtrix: what probs? [10:55] Speaking of...I haven't been able to reach slackware.org since yesterday. :-( [10:55] while installing the next package takes alot of time to go [10:55] CygnusX1: it's off. we know. [10:56] Zordrak: I told them to put a safety cover over the master switch. [10:56] CygnusX1: slackware.org isnt the official url. its not owned by pat. slackware.com is. however slackware.org currently redirects to slackware.com [10:57] spook: Interesting. Been using that for severals years without knowing. [10:58] has anyone successfully done a full install of the current -current over NFS? [10:59] ftm: has anyone successfully done a full install of the current -current [10:59] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-18.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] it does, but takes minutes.. [11:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.32) left irc: [11:00] Zordrak: yup [11:00] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:01] nfs/!nfs ? [11:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) joined ##slackware. [11:01] !nfs [11:01] via DVD :P [11:01] i dont have the luxury of two machines [11:01] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.174.113) joined ##slackware. [11:02] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] shit.. must be my source... copied the tree to local and died at the same place [11:02] id have thought thered be some trace somewhere of the install process so i could find the error [11:04] What place does it die Zordrak? [11:05] just about as soon as it starts on /ap [11:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2c3f02a9438873a6) left irc: [11:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:07] currently forcing re-rsync of -current and trying again [11:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [11:07] hmmmmmm.... just thought... i MIGHT know why [11:07] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-10-230-206.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:07] im booting from a -current disk from march [11:07] that might be pre-txz [11:08] most a/ is .txz though [11:08] heh [11:08] :/ [11:08] will have to burn a new CD1 to boot from and try that [11:08] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] have to be sure [11:09] or pxe. [11:10] try pxe [11:11] or usbboot [11:13] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [11:13] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-18.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:14] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: "leaving" [11:15] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [11:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-35c8119955f97f02) joined ##slackware. [11:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-203.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] something wasnt quite right with that one anyway... modprobe forcedeth did sod all.. had to manually insmod [11:17] wont hurt to have an rc1 boot disc anyways [11:17] dusty_ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:18] pxe is realllllly awesome [11:18] lol [11:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-4-103.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] my pxe can boot slack 12.1 12.2 current 64current slamd64 12.1 [11:18] also memtest [11:19] ffs go on then... but this had BETTER be easy [11:20] it is. [11:21] if you have spanning tree on your switch, turn on port fast. [11:21] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Action: Zordrak is not too willing to go round all the swithes in the building [11:21] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-28-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] how long does it take links to come up? [11:22] meaning? [11:22] for me with port fast off, its about 30-60 seconds, with it on, its 5 [11:22] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:22] http://powtrix.pastebin.com/f79b8f36b [11:23] the problem it causes is the pxe boot rom on the pc times out waiting for dhcp [11:23] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:23] Topic changed on ##slackware by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: ghostscript | -current is now 13.0rc1 | slackware.com is down... WE KNOW [11:24] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [11:24] lol ^^ [11:24] Action: VampirePenguin wonders if alienBOB realy knows slackware.com is down [11:25] Zordrak: slackware/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_PXE.TXT [11:25] are they going to change the mirror directories to 13.0rc.1 or leave them as current until release [11:26] shit, STILL?!? [11:26] VampirePenguin: as usual, current will always stay as current [11:26] ok spook [11:26] if rsync do rename to rc1 it will kill my data [11:26] VampirePenguin: on release, the current directory is effectively snapshotted as slackware-xx [11:26] macavity: yup :( [11:27] nods [11:27] ya knoww a LOT of pl online this wkend have had server/pc isses [11:27] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [11:28] yes, alpha, beta and rc are not ever "released".. ChangeLog just indicates that -current is in a state comparable to one of those states [11:28] ffs... cant find where to enable PXE on this mobo [11:28] Zordrak: what bios is it? [11:29] M2N-SLi Deluxe [11:29] (Asus) [11:29] hahaha i had/have that board. [11:29] what onboard LAN chip? [11:30] horrible piece of junk. [11:30] nForce [11:30] eeek [11:30] spook: but cheap and functional [11:30] i belive Intel is the only one who has a sub licensable PXE implementation [11:31] i wish i could have an intel chipset with an AMD prco [11:31] really, AMD needs to get their git together before that would be worth anything [11:31] Zordrak: the board DEFINATELY does pxe. [11:31] ok.. Asus reckons the board supports pxe [11:31] ah, ok [11:31] ^ [11:32] i have the same board, and installed slackware using pxe onto it. [11:32] so Asus went and bought a BIOS with Intel PXE [11:32] i havent burned a cd/dvd or made a usb stick in about 2 years [11:32] spook: same for both : dd ;p [11:33] i'd go find exactly how to enable it, but its kinda doing stuff :P [11:33] spahh [11:33] "onboard lan boot rom" [11:33] okay now onto the server config [11:33] my amd athlonxp2400 does pxe, why not an asus did? [11:33] pretty much everything does [11:35] campassi (n=linko47@130.18.208.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:36] powtrix: it depends on how lowlife your motherboard vendor is... they might actually save $.50 by not including PXE support in the BIOS [11:37] macavity: everything i've used last 5 years has pxe compatible support [11:37] powtrix: however, since nvidia is in an open fist fight with pretty much the rest of the industry, i just thought they they could have been excluded from the club [11:38] spook: i have seen some nforce chipsets behave in the most wackey fashiones, and having trouble supporting all sorts of funny combinations [11:39] heh [11:39] i think a vendor could support pxe today as they still support floppy disk [11:40] spook: eg, a particular version of a soundblaster card and an intel pro1000 would only work if the soundcard was in a slot *below* the NIC.. it didnt matter where on the mobo, just as long as it was physically below [11:40] fd works only for boot imo [11:40] spook: which is goddamn odd, taken into consideration that the PCI slots where physically lined out something like 2, 4, 1, 3, 5 [11:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] powtrix: since nvidia refuses to let others chipset vendors make their systems 100% SLi compliant (they can only reach "compatible"), but Ati gives out the crossfire specs for free, i would not be overly suprized if all of the sudden someone in the industry hits nVidia back with something similar [11:44] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Action: christian is back [11:44] spook: it's working so far.. thanks for beating my face [11:45] Zordrak: you're welcome :) [11:45] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] will leave it restricted to individual clients for now I think [11:48] using dhcpd you can do all sorts of cool stuff like that [11:49] would be easier if my DNS server held the mirrors [11:50] then id symlink the pxe stuff to -current sources [11:50] maybe i will when i get a chance [11:50] you can do that. [11:50] erm wait [11:50] no. [11:50] wait, no. [11:51] cant you just use an internet ftp server, or is it limited to LAN adresses in the installer? [11:51] macavity: speed [11:52] macavity: internal 2Gbit trunked core network with 1Gbit to my servers [11:52] that's yummy [11:52] :) [11:52] in this case that is of less concern to me.. i dont install slackware to that many machines [11:53] macavity: i rsync once and can then distribute as needed [11:53] spook: why not? [11:53] Zordrak: because the ... [11:53] (installing successfully now btw, thx) [11:53] naturally, rsyncing is generally faster than ftp mirroring, but i don't do this often enough to waste that much disk space [11:53] hmmmm [11:53] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [11:53] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] hi all [11:53] 'ello [11:54] part of it needs to be on dhcpd server. the... pxeconfig [11:54] spook: dns server = dhcp server [11:54] the rest, using next-server in dhcpd.conf can be elsewhere, on the tftpd server [11:54] dns/dhcp/tftp/bootp = Lisa [11:55] then you can symlink away! [11:55] hindeedily :) [11:55] oh but the tree isnt on there? [11:55] so long as i add NFS and rsync to that list [11:55] ^ [11:55] the tree is on bart (my desktop box) [11:56] since my bok is the only one running -current [11:56] (except this new one and a 64 openvpn box) [11:56] but will consider moving it to lisa and doing cronned rsyncs with symlinked PXE [11:58] and about three or four other insanely useful images on PXE (slax / ubcd / memtest / systemrescuecd / ophcrack) [11:58] depending on whats easiest [12:01] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587212.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:01] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:01] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Initrd (i=nix@208.53.179.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] ophcrack, eh? [12:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [12:04] oh yeah [12:04] so you just PXE boot a windows box on the LAN and twenty secs later you have the admin pw? [12:05] ys [12:05] yessiree [12:05] ntpasswd <<< [12:05] i see how that could come in handy [12:05] just reset passwd [12:05] does anyone use google checkout? [12:05] Zordrak: is it hard to make a "PXE boot menu"? [12:06] a good menu is clonezilla boot menu [12:06] macavity: *shrug* [12:07] sahko: i've used it to buy stuff. I've never ran it on a site though, if that's what you're asking. [12:07] bah.. need slack/-~alion [12:07] bah.. need slack/~alien [12:08] Zordrak: i have never done any of this before.. i am reading over the pxe readme right now :P [12:09] bah, Zordrak can't spell ^_~ [12:10] Pixels?? http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2353/dsc01942yeq.jpg [12:10] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] anyone got a link to a raw mirror-slackware-current.sh? [12:11] agentc0re|work: ah. where did you buy stuff from if you dont mind me asking? [12:11] I can't remember. Just remember using it once or twice. [12:11] Mainly because it was a better deal i think. [12:12] paypal is getting on my nerves lately [12:12] gonna investigate it [12:13] zerox0 (n=zxz@59.93.16.40) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Zordrak: http://grbzks.googlepages.com/rsync_current.sh [12:13] ty [12:13] dont know if thats what you consider as raw [12:13] as in unmodified [12:14] oj [12:14] its slack64 btw [12:14] uh [12:15] i meant alienBOB's [12:15] sorry [12:16] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [12:17] slackware.com is still down? [12:18] did you try? [12:18] yes it is [12:18] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/ <---- [12:18] did it work? [12:18] nope... and Dominian just said it is [12:18] nope it doesn't. so pasting links without checking is hopelessly useless. [12:18] Zordrak: http://www.chessgriffin.com/files/scripts/mirror-slackware-current.shell but I am not sure how currrent that is. [12:18] it appears not very [12:18] Action: Dominian is taking over the site and transferring all data to my "undisclosed" site that no one will have access to! [12:19] no matter.. can work with what i have [12:19] and going to dress it up to look like noobfarm's layout [12:19] muh ha ha ha [12:19] >.> [12:19] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [12:20] actually, it would be quite easy for me to switch noobfarm into a blog :D [12:20] Sebastian123 (n=Babbel@host197.201-253-174.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Zordrak: http://chopp.homelinux.com:8080/tmp1/mirror-slackware-current.sh [12:20] hi to all ..... may i ask a question.... [12:21] Sebastian123: just ask... don't ask to ask :P [12:21] Sebastian123: you just did. goodbye. [12:21] Action: Dominian slaps BP{k} [12:21] :) [12:21] BP{k}: are you having alcohol withdrawl? [12:21] BP{k}: thanks for reminding me to update that version [12:21] what it is a better solution virtualbox or vmware workstation [12:21] I need to pull that :-) [12:21] chess: hehe. [12:21] Sebastian123: depends on your needs [12:21] Zordrak: I do have a very recent copy if you need it [12:21] Sebastian123: vbox [12:22] chess: nm.. will wait for it to reappear [12:22] Action: C_S is back (gone 02:51:06) [12:22] but thx [12:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:22] np [12:22] Dominian: nah, besides the bottle of laphroaig is right behind me. ;-) [12:22] oj thats another script you were asking for [12:22] Dominian i need to run many distros of linux to test them [12:22] BP{k}: hehe [12:23] C_S: kindly to turn that off, plzkthxbai. [12:23] gentoo, debian etc [12:23] Sebastian123: vbox will work just fine for that [12:23] turn off what? [12:23] C_S: autoaway message [12:23] i have a pentium 4 3ghz 2 gb of ram it is ok [12:23] why? [12:23] or i need more machine [12:24] C_S: please read the channel guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [12:24] C_S: because frankly we really don't give a flying toss, if you're not here, having a piss, eating a sandwhich, doing urmom or whatever. It's rather annoying if everyone would do that. you can always use /away without the public announcements. [12:25] if you do not care you ignore the message, just like the part join messages [12:26] C_S: *shrugs* eventually an op will kick your ass for it. :) [12:26] C_S: you're a guest in the channel... you don't tell the channel ops what to do... [12:26] you will get banned for being a dumbass [12:26] please just adhere to the established rules like the rest of us [12:27] if everyone turned on the automessage it would flood the channel with useless garbage bud [12:27] not to mention wtfpwn people that log the channel [12:27] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-10-230-206.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:27] C_S: you might also want to read this: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html to get enlightened [12:28] C_S: yes I run irssi. Do you feel all "speshul", now that you know? [12:30] irssi is the safe choice on any network and any channel [12:30] you might be a dumbass, i am not. i disabled it [12:31] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [12:32] thank you for your cooperation. have a nice day :-) [12:33] Action: agentc0re|work doesn't think BP{k} is a dumbass. [12:33] :D [12:34] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-35c8119955f97f02) left irc: [12:34] agentc0re|work: only when he wants to be :P [12:34] why is it bad if someone logs the channel? [12:34] Action: sahko thought he was an op [12:34] macavity: Heh, that happens to all of us though. :P [12:34] http://tinyurl.com/g0dsays [12:34] Anybody tried compiling 3.5 in 12.2? [12:34] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] C_S: because it generates huge logs if 250 people who are often in multiple channels have public auto away messages [12:34] *FF 3.5 [12:35] powtrix: Sad.. blocked at work. What is it? [12:35] alkos333: compiling? [12:35] an pic [12:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Success [12:35] a* [12:35] ok [12:36] C_S: eg, we have people who hardly ever say a word in here, but are active in ##some-random-project, so we would just se Back and Away messages from them all day long, but not a single word of sensible talk :P [12:36] lol [12:37] Sebastian123, i like qemu the best.. vbox bit me in the ass too many time [12:38] C_S: in short, it is about making the signal-to-noise ratio as good as possible.. if you want to see the exact oposite of ##slackware go visit ##ubuntu and see if you can even keep track of the conversation during prime-time ;-) [12:38] lol [12:39] im glad i dont see away staats.. i dont give a rats ass [12:39] whats difference of 86 & 87 fs? both are NTFS volume set [12:39] i dont want to see my own [12:39] powtrix: that is a very good question.. if you pick the wrong one, Windows wont work with your USB HD :P [12:40] ill format a friends hd [12:40] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.174.113) left irc: "leaving" [12:40] mine are ext4 [12:40] i will talk talk to you later all, leaving to buy food, me hungry :P [12:41] Nick change: C_S -> C_S_ [12:41] /facepalm [12:41] Nick change: C_S_ -> C_S_away [12:41] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:41] C_S_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [12:41] LOL [12:41] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [12:41] nf! [12:41] slackboy: <3 [12:41] what an idiot [12:42] pwned [12:42] failed with his autoshit [12:42] i guess he didn't read the channel rules that someone already posted to him to read [12:42] Dominian: did you expect him to? [12:42] nor did he care [12:42] BP{k}: not really [12:42] thrice`: Yes, compiling. [12:44] jonny_ (n=jonny@97-115-144-21.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:45] zerox0 (n=zxz@59.93.16.40) left irc: ":wq" [12:46] powtrix: mine is set to 0x07 [12:46] powtrix: HPFS/NTFS [12:46] they never learn [12:46] lol [12:46] powtrix: that was the only one i could get both XP and Vista to read [12:46] hm thanks for the code [12:47] Lsim08 (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) joined ##slackware. [12:47] macavity, kde 4 is rocking with thos intel/vid changes.... try ctrl f10... its like cool [12:47] powtrix: cfdisk -> type -> 07 -> write [12:47] i did. making now the fs [12:47] VampirePenguin: press the mouse against the top left corner for a little while [12:48] ah [12:48] VampirePenguin: neat huh? :P [12:48] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:48] ya that must be how i did it at first [12:48] jonny_ (n=jonny@97-115-144-21.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] ctrl f8 is fun.. [12:49] VampirePenguin: i have it set to activate the cube desktop in the bottom right corner too [12:49] i dont know if i can do a cube [12:49] havent tried [12:49] VampirePenguin: ctrl+f11 [12:49] would be kinda cool as long as its stable.... [12:49] i945? [12:50] i dont have it set in the all effects [12:50] Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML [12:50] kernel .30, mesa-7.4.4 from testing/ and UXA accell method in xorg.conf did the trick for me [12:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:51] i have the .29-5 kernel [12:51] vtswitching still kills x, but that is apparently not going to get fixed untill .31 [12:52] i can vtswitch [12:52] just did it all the way across [12:52] it appears i have a "special" video bios [12:52] ya i hear ya on taht [12:52] i also have the intel 945 [12:53] i filed a bug on dolpin leaving leaftovers in /tmp [12:53] i had 3 gb of trash [12:53] filled up my / [12:53] in fact this intire machine has a very special BIOS code.. it even says "Verified by Intel" :-/ [12:53] there is actually a bug with the intel not setting the the mtrr correctly [12:53] oh shinyyyy [12:53] ya i think i see something reall fast on boot [12:53] RaNdY (n=randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [12:53] so i have an sh file fixmtrr.sh [12:54] mrselfpwn: pastebin? [12:54] sure [12:54] is slackware.com down for anyone else? [12:55] for everyone else [12:55] it is down [12:55] its in the topic amazon10x [12:55] read topic [12:55] the topic is quite ugly :) [12:55] heh [12:55] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.1.173) joined ##slackware. [12:55] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] okay, it has to be ran after each X start [12:56] http://pastebin.com/m146673bc [12:57] mrselfpwn: what did you say this does? [12:58] this is actually a good guide on tweaking your intel graphics where I got the original script.; [12:58] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1130582.html [12:58] well [12:58] hi [12:58] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:58] hi wiz [12:58] like where i have seen it in action for instance is when i run wolfenstein et and close the program [12:59] there is an mtrr error in the console [12:59] though after running the script no error [13:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [13:00] the link to that guide i gave gives a little more thorough information about it. [13:00] ok, thx [13:00] np [13:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [13:02] hmm [13:02] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.134.107) joined ##slackware. [13:03] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.216.183.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] seems that i won't get svn working :P [13:04] antoni (n=user@75.pool85-53-22.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:04] bugreport == https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/314928 about the mtrr and intel [13:05] hi [13:05] hi antoni [13:05] I cannot see the web: www.slackware.com [13:05] topic [13:06] ok [13:06] been down lots lately :( [13:06] that was not english [13:07] at least he tried lol [13:07] :) [13:07] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [13:08] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ccc00a7cfc97242a) joined ##slackware. [13:09] i'm trying to build wine on slackware64 but it says i need 32-bit development libraries [13:09] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-246-220.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:10] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC01C48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] amazon10x, there are some compat-32 packages you may want to install to solve this [13:10] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-246-220.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:11] gbonvehim (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] where would i get those at? [13:12] antoni (n=user@75.pool85-53-22.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:12] check them here: http://www.slackware.org.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/slackware64/ [13:12] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [13:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:13] download and install them and you'll be fine =) [13:13] td0s (n=HIM@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Nick change: mohaa -> pppppppppppp [13:13] pppppppppppp (n=mohaa@89.16.14.99) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [13:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:14] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.99) joined ##slackware. [13:14] can someone help me with an isolinux issue - I have installed a pci sata controller and need to boot from an iso [13:16] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [13:16] gtl: lol :D [13:17] Wizard, \o/ [13:17] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] I've tried editing /isolinux/isolinux.cfg to reference a custom kernel which is in /kernels [13:18] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] what raid card [13:19] its the sata_via module I need to add [13:19] wait. should i not install all of those? [13:19] amazon10x, what you mean? [13:20] gtl: cool idea for converting people, shut down website and give stright links to isos:D [13:20] I made my custom kernel an initrd.gz and reffed it in my isolinux.cfg [13:20] lol [13:20] gtl: wizard lol'd at what you said so i'm wondering if installing all of those packages is not actually a good idea [13:20] my guess is that the ISP hosting slackware.com is having problems [13:21] Action: Wizard often lols without reason [13:21] amazon10x: installing everything is harmless [13:21] eduardo: its the server [13:21] err, Necos^^ [13:21] amazon10x, indeed, you'll get no problems from installing these packages [13:22] i had a heck of a morning reverting my system to 12.2 [13:22] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.134.107) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] why travel backwards in time? :P [13:23] tried upgrading to -current, but had a hardtime setting up ati video support [13:23] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:23] free or propietary one? [13:24] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [13:24] oh i got a hexagon rotating thingie [13:24] proprietary [13:24] works great on the intel [13:24] gtl: slackbuild? [13:25] gtl: err.. SBo repackage slackbuild [13:25] Sebastian123 (n=Babbel@host197.201-253-174.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] is there a slackbuild for ati drivers? [13:26] it repackages the binaries, and moves the conflicting mesa files out of the way [13:26] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-66-208.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] and gives you a little script to switch between mesa and fglrx [13:26] wow! that's nice [13:27] where do I get that? [13:27] and that way you can remove it cleanly [13:27] gtl: slackbuilds.org [13:27] under what search query? tried "ati", "fglrx" and "radeon", with no success [13:28] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=fglrx&sv=12.1 [13:28] i dont know why there isnt one for 12.2 [13:28] odd.. [13:29] I think fglrx requires recompiling the kernel in 12.2 [13:29] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] greetings and salutations [13:30] ouch [13:31] andarius: any new science on the waffle front? :P [13:31] wotcha andarius :) [13:31] svn does not work :( [13:31] looking at the slackbuild right now... [13:32] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [13:32] wotcha BP{k} :) [13:32] lost connection [13:32] oh well.. propietary drivers always equals problem of some sort [13:32] macavity: getting better all the time of course [13:32] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [13:33] mrselfpwn: it's this dude called Peer who runs around and reset peoples connections whenever he gets a chance [13:33] so it would seem [13:33] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.166.135) joined ##slackware. [13:33] lol [13:34] well, he sure is a shameless bastard [13:34] andarius: so, what is the prefered coating on waffle irons thease days? [13:34] mrselfpwn: just wait untill i get a hold of him! [13:34] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] haha [13:35] andarius: ceramic, teflon or titanium/teflon? [13:35] seasoned iron of course [13:35] ah.. silly me [13:36] That way the waffles get better with every batch [13:36] none of that newbe stuff for the pros [13:37] exactly :) [13:37] andarius: any instructions on what oil/grease to use? [13:37] seasoned iron requires none [13:37] andarius: ive been suggested tasteless coconut oil [13:37] andarius: uhm, but untill the iron *gets* seasoned? [13:38] hmm, season it with olive oil perhaps? maybe light olive oil. [13:38] or you can buy pre-seasoned waffle irons in the US? [13:38] my iron is a bit old. [13:39] ive not seen any pre-seasoned. not sure really. [13:39] so in the beginning, one just makes sure the dough is well greased? [13:40] you can season the iron by putting a light coat on it and heating it up. [13:41] Such as with iron skillets you can do that by coating them and throwing them in the oven for a bit [13:41] gets the initial going so you can then break them in the rest of the way with good food :) [13:42] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [13:42] right [13:42] Action: macavity looks up "skillets" [13:42] that is not the same as Skittles... [13:43] giant (n=giant@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-136.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] right [13:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:45] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [13:46] mm, waffles prepared from skittles [13:46] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@74.198.148.45) joined ##slackware. [13:48] eduardo (n=unknown@174.37.193.182-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:48] >.> [13:48] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:48] say what? [13:48] Action: christian is back [13:48] congratulations? [13:49] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:51] thrice`: WTF? skittles waffles? [13:52] that just sounds awesome ^_^ [13:52] thrice`: is that like smarties cereal? [13:52] Necos: That's because you are high right now :P [13:53] no i'm not... i just need sugar ;-; [13:53] lol [13:54] eat a peach [13:55] we don't have any fruit here :( [13:55] Necos: try real food? [13:56] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-151-229.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] shit how did it get to 2am so fast [13:56] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [13:57] spook: you focused on something interesting [13:57] painting... [13:57] spook: ... and forgot to look at the watch [13:57] my vanguard veterans are like, 70% done [13:58] spook: do you have a digital camera? [13:58] my iphone count? [13:58] upload photo of you best job[s] :P [13:59] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [13:59] ah ok. [13:59] my buddy changed my breakpads for a couple packs of cigarettes [14:00] eduardo (n=unknown@174.37.193.182-static.reverse.softlayer.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] bombbbb [14:00] real food... if i had real food i wouldn't have a problem ;-; [14:01] nix_chix0r: pimpin ^_^ [14:01] saved me 90bucks heh [14:01] giant (n=giant@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:01] turns out i didn't need new rotors [14:01] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@74.198.148.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] did you grind 'em tho? [14:02] they almost always say that you need rotors, when you probably don't [14:02] geez [14:02] usually when they get that bad, you usually have scratched rotors [14:02] the new kde keeps on crashing [14:02] :( [14:02] anyone suffering from the same problem? [14:03] LnxSlck: intel graphics chip? [14:03] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:03] macavity: two mins while i upload [14:03] macavity, yes [14:03] macavity, why ? [14:03] yeah they were grinding cause they were so bare so i figured i'd need to replace them but they looked to be in decent shape [14:03] LnxSlck: enable the UXA acceleration method in xorg.conf [14:03] macavity, let me see that [14:03] good thing carquest will let me return them since i didn't install the rotors [14:04] yeah, you should probably have taken them to the machine shop to get resurfaced [14:04] LnxSlck: Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [14:04] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:05] macavity, on the Section "Device" ? [14:05] anybody going to defon this year [14:05] ? [14:05] LnxSlck: right under Driver "intel" [14:05] macavity, thanks a lot :) [14:06] i will try this now [14:06] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.166.135) left irc: "Saindo" [14:06] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587212.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:06] anyone built a small box dedicated to HD movie playing? I'm especially interested in small form factor, consumption, slow cpu and nvidia's vdpau :) [14:06] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] C_Tux: no, but mythtv is just for that [14:07] i thought only mplayer had support for vdpau yet? [14:07] Necos: I need to build the hardware ;) [14:08] macavity: doesn't mythtv somehow use mplayer? [14:08] tooly (n=tooly@e178148188.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:08] macavity: spooksoftware.com/wh40k/ start from the bottom. first like 50 pics are a 4.5k battle, move by move [14:08] and I probably need to use mplayer, I don't even want an UI, the problem is really with hardware and decoding speed [14:09] i was wrong... [14:10] jillsmitt (n=jillsmit@95.58.177.118) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hi [14:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Software_supporting_VDPAU [14:10] macavity: I was about to send you that link ;) [14:10] why not get one of the asus small factor boxes? [14:10] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-168-104.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [14:11] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-168-104.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ccc00a7cfc97242a) left irc: [14:12] spook: you paint well, but you are a crappy photografer :P [14:12] julio (n=chatzill@adsl-63-199-219-162.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] spook: they are really out of focus [14:12] macavity: its really hard to get it to focus [14:12] Necos: yeah, that's one of the solutions [14:13] it should be... it only costs about 300$ [14:13] spook: but it shows that you have been practicing for a while :-) [14:13] not that long actually [14:13] maybe 2 months at most [14:13] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9a46.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [14:14] Hello everyone, does anyone know what is wrong with www.slackware.com? [14:14] :) [14:14] we don't know, but it's broken at the moment [14:14] julio: been down for a few days [14:14] spook: huh? you seem to have an enormous army? [14:15] I have not been able access it since early last week [14:15] spook: or did you just rob a bank? [14:15] julio: see the topic [14:15] macavity: the latter [14:15] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC01C48.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] spook: aka you just found yourself a new obsession? :P [14:16] macavity: yes. [14:16] julio: probably hardware failure [14:17] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587212.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:17] thanks macavity [14:17] we hope it wasn't software [14:17] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.112.118) joined ##slackware. [14:17] lunchtime ^_^ [14:18] Necos: dont forget to bring the leftovers back here... geeks rarly get fed :P [14:18] macavity, congrats.. your slackfu is strong :) [14:18] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] LnxSlck: ive been hammering my head against intel graphics for a *long* time :P [14:18] LnxSlck: it all went to bonkers after 11.0 was released [14:19] LnxSlck: and it is sorta-sorta comming into place now [14:19] macavity, nice to see that [14:19] macavity, but i've only had issues with this new kde release [14:19] Does anyone know of a nice SL64 review? [14:20] it hasn't been released yet [14:20] LnxSlck: when GEM'ified TTM gets mature (it gets included in kernel .31), and mesa 7.6.x is stable enough for general consumption, we should see some serious shit [14:21] LnxSlck: you havent played with composite and intel before i take it? [14:22] julio (n=chatzill@adsl-63-199-219-162.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5/20090624025744]" [14:24] macavity, nope [14:24] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-246-220.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:24] macavity, why ? [14:25] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-24-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:25] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] Zordrak: http://slackware.alienbase.nl/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [14:26] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.216.183.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [14:27] sQuEE (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] macavity: sorry but i cant get any better quality [14:27] sQuEE (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:28] mugwort13 (n=chatzill@pool-71-248-55-100.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:31] has a working wine slackbuild written for slackware-current (64bit)? ... I tried from from source but it complains about not finding a ChangeLog and quits [14:31] thrice`: When has that ever stopped reviewers? [14:31] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.1.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-117.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:32] CygnusX1: well, most reviewers don't know how to install slackware-current without official media, I'd guess ;) [14:32] thrice`: :-) True enough [14:32] mugwort13: wine needs 32bit libraries in order to build a 32bit wine, which you need in order to run 32bit Windows apps [14:32] mugwort13: I bet wine32 needs a 32bit compiler [14:32] I'm always too slow ='( [14:33] Is anyone here succesfully running Photoshop CS4 via Wine on SL64? I'd LOVE to get back on Slack! [14:33] LnxSlck: because it has been one serious fsckup for a long time on intel [14:33] I installed 32 comp. libs ... I forget which site I got em from , but they were *.txz's [14:33] Probably those fred created [14:34] LnxSlck: for a long time i could get it working with XAA, but then video would refuse to resize, or i could get it working with EXA and everything would be *horribly* slow and/or unstable [14:36] macavity, i always thought intel graphic cards wasnt any good for 3f effects and so [14:36] LnxSlck: but with kernel .30, UXA and mesa-7.4.4 from testing/ i have only very few and very small issues left [14:36] macavity, i will upgrade to kernel .31 sometime in the future [14:37] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [14:37] LnxSlck: the actual 3d part is done in software.. its the tile blitting and swapbuffer interfaces that has been fscked up for a while [14:38] LnxSlck: its not like the 3d we need for a composite desktop is CPU intensive, but it does need some rather heavy texture copy/allocation operations [14:38] macavity, right [14:39] macavity, my laptop isn't that great also [14:39] LnxSlck: try running intel_gpu_top while spinning the desktop cube a little [14:39] macavity, i don't even have those effects enabled [14:39] LnxSlck: you need to run it as root.. but it will show you how much is actually done in hardware [14:39] jillsmitt (n=jillsmit@95.58.177.118) left ##slackware ("..."). [14:40] macavity, first i need to enable those weird effects [14:41] LnxSlck: on my Core2 Duo 2.16GHz (the 4MB version), enabling everything runs smooth, even when rotating the cube with a full screen HD video running... it takes something like 20% on one of the cores [14:41] macavity: what did you think of colour scheme on the vanguard? [14:42] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [14:42] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:42] macavity, i have a weaker cpu [14:42] macavity, dual core [14:42] iguito (n=flatron@201.54.199.29) joined ##slackware. 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[14:43] *Pentium [14:43] ok made some progress, I have my custom kernel booting but I don't think I have what I need in terms of initrd.img - for use with isolinux [14:44] antiwire: UXA is an xorg acceleration method. the intel driver enables it by default if you enable KMS in the kernel, otherwise you have to ask for it specifically [14:44] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:44] thanks [14:45] spook: image name? [14:46] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat075.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:46] mugwort13 (n=chatzill@pool-71-248-55-100.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009050718]" [14:46] spook: i only see a lot of blood angles with white shoulder pads? [14:46] macavity: 463 [14:46] they are painted same scheme as blood ravens, but with brighter reds [14:47] lol [14:47] they look like storm troopers with those white helmets :P [14:47] they are veterans :) [14:48] i liked to old pointy-face-helmets better.. like the one in the back ground [14:48] Is it normal that calling /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql start starts mysqld.. which then immediately kills itself? [14:48] cheef librarian with a jump pack? [14:48] chaplain [14:49] hiptobecubic^: did you read the comments in rc.mysql before starting it? [14:49] not psyker. power weapon, good weapon skill. [14:49] fearless, reroll to hit in combat for attached squad [14:49] spook: i am apparently getting rusty in my w40k lore :P [14:49] 4+ invul. [14:50] macavity: from the quality of my photos, its easy to mistake black for unpainted. [14:50] macavity, probably not. thanks :) [14:50] yes [14:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:407) joined ##slackware. [14:51] lol [14:51] hiptobecubic^: in slackware the scripts are always well commented and straight forward, so it is a good idea to pretty much just read them all :P [14:51] hiptobecubic, that means you forgot to initialize your mysql [14:51] Necos: he will know in about 20 secconds :P [14:52] you need to run mysql_initialize_db or something like that [14:52] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] its all in the script, exactly what you need to do [14:54] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8CB05.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] i wonder why Pat has not made the script check that and print a "d00d: you forgot to RTFM! Try "less /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld" or something like that!" [14:56] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-101.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Invert666 (n=daniel@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] macavity, yes [15:00] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.29.1-smp | Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 | Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2390 @ 1.86GHz 1867.000 MHz | Mem: 450/2059M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 227G Free: 139G | Bogomips: 7447.57 | Screen Res: 1280x800 | Procs: 137 | temp1: +45.0°C (crit = +105.0°C) temp2: +45.0°C (crit = +105.0°C) | Up: 20:00:39 up 48 min, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.08 | ppp0: In: 8.59M Out: 1.2 [15:00] 5M [15:01] LnxSlck: that should be powerfull enough to pull the full banagalore [15:01] =) [15:01] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:01] ok.. there is a bit of a jump from T2390 to T7400 [15:04] but watchin gpu_top suggests that the GPU can handle it, and the CPU usuage does not climb notacibly if i spin the cube [15:04] i can't get the damn cube working [15:05] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [15:05] LnxSlck: ctrl-F11? [15:05] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.142) joined ##slackware. [15:05] macavity, right. let me check cpu info [15:05] it works fine [15:05] LnxSlck: i have the system monitor plasmoid on the desktop [15:06] so i can see the cpu usage history easily [15:06] tooly (n=tooly@e178148188.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [15:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:07] macavity, what do you normally see: ring idle values? [15:07] make sure it does something [15:08] eg, start glxgears [15:08] properties currently at 0% are not shown [15:08] 1798 frames in 5.0 seconds = 359.480 FPS [15:09] glxgears is bad [15:09] to give it a good exercise: start konsole and make it transparent, start glxgears and place konsole over it, start a new tab and start intel_gpu_top in it [15:09] thrice`: no, glxgears is an excelent benchmark for SwapBuffers() [15:10] thrice`: and a horrid horrid benchmark for anything else [15:10] yep, play quake3 or something instead ;) [15:10] hum... i wonder if the driver is up for that yet [15:11] ok.. now i lost my K menu [15:11] LnxSlck: i get some 320 FPS.. i suspect your FSB is higher than mine [15:11] lool [15:11] LnxSlck: hit alt-F2 and type plasma [15:11] lol [15:12] LnxSlck: yes, it jumps out the window now and then when you change settings... but it appears that it is only the act of change it doesnt like [15:12] yeap [15:12] LnxSlck: as in, when you have your stuff set up the way you like it wont crash [15:15] i remeber xgl had more effects [15:15] i remember the burn effect on windows.. it was great [15:16] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-117-151.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.167.200) joined ##slackware. [15:18] compiz? [15:18] you can still use compiz instead of kwin if you like [15:19] just grap fusion-icon from SBo iirc [15:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] inconnu (i=1000@ant06-1-82-242-109-147.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] Howdy folks. [15:24] hello Alan :-) [15:25] hehehe, can't help but make the aliens reference [15:27] Completely off-topic: Anyone know how to move deleted items from an IMAP account to a trash folder in Outlook rather than have them be marked for deletion by the server? [15:27] that's an acct setting [15:28] You sure? Everything I see online says sme VBS scripts will be required. [15:29] that's what i remember at least... haven't used outlook since the 2003 version [15:30] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-140-179.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] Sure you're not thinking about pop3 accounts? [15:30] it might only work in the exchange mode... [15:30] exchange != imap [15:30] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-157-99.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:31] i'm using imap mode in thunderbird (which is not applicable in this case) [15:31] i'm using imap from my iphone [15:31] Action: Necos shoots the iphone [15:32] Action: spook fires frozen eels at Necos [15:32] yummy! [15:32] Action: jeev blows everyone up with a slackware-bomb that was hidden in slackpkg. [15:32] sashimi ftw [15:33] good thing i don't use slackpkg then ^_^ [15:33] slackpkg is a script. [15:33] did i say slackpkg, i meant bash. [15:34] Action: spook fires :(){:|:};: at jeev and Necos (disclaimer, don't execute that) [15:34] Action: jeev executes that on spook's host [15:34] spider pig, spider pig... does whatever spider pig does [15:35] hes not spider pig anymore, its harry trotter [15:39] spook: you forgot a ; iirc. :(){:|:;};: [15:41] lol [15:41] and eviljames would know because... [15:43] think I've never sent someone a fork bomb before? :D [15:45] Think I've never banned someone for this before?? [15:45] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.142) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:45] Better +b spook then. [15:45] I was just being pedantic :D [15:45] An ass you mean [15:46] I've been that once or twice, too. [15:46] Hehe [15:46] Action: jeev hides from alienBOB [15:47] Action: Necos chuckles [15:47] sounded more like a queef [15:47] the alien strikes swift and without remorse... [15:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-117.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:47] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:48] bah, he doesn't have energy weapons like the ones from Independence Day. [15:49] we don't know that... and i definitely don't wanna find out ^_^ [15:50] eviljames: No, but he could code something into say... upgradepkg to test for the username 'eviljames' and delete your entire /home directory. [15:50] I've tempted fate once or twice, too. It usually works out. [15:50] xXChronosXx (n=xXChrono@c-98-230-189-247.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] slackware.com? [15:51] toic [15:51] Alan_Hicks: hahah, perhaps he could -- I think I'd notice though, it should take at least a couple of hours to delete the 300+GB of porn... [15:51] *topic [15:51] eviljames: rm -fr /home & [15:51] lol [15:51] i have 1 tb of porn [15:51] he'll notice the hdd light [15:51] xXChronosXx: do a /topic [15:52] Alan_Hicks: even still, I backup the important stuff regularly. [15:52] and I'd imagine a bug would be filed pretty quickly on that one. [15:52] 90% is your mom though [15:52] Slackware bug #00000000023 - "upgradepkg deletes all home folders" [15:52] ?? [15:52] not really eviljames... 'cause i think we'd get a warning email ^^ [15:52] xXChronosXx: read the topic [15:53] is someone ddosing www.slackware.com [15:54] does it say anything about being ddos'd? [15:55] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-63-1.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Cann0n_ (n=jack@64-193-70-68.jck.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] it was me, i took slackware.com down !! :o [16:00] Sanity check please. With a server running apache and sending e-mails by piping messages into sendmail, by replacing sendmail with postfix and hosting mail services for a completely separate domain, it's not gonna interfere with the apache sendmail piping is it? apache pastes whatever from it wants to on the outbound mails (esp with the envelope-from flag) [16:00] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:00] i dont know why im worrying.. i dont think theres any way it'd interfere.. just want sanity checking [16:00] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] dont think so Zordrak [16:02] obviously i need to get my config right for postfix before throwing it in [16:02] but even the most generic config ought to cover piped outbound [16:02] where does this new xorg gets his configurations? [16:03] i keep getting keyboard=US but i had my setup to keyboard=PT [16:03] you should do that through hal instead of xorg.conf [16:03] (for -current) [16:03] right [16:05] thrice`, and where is that set up? [16:05] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [16:05] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/updated-xorg-now-in-current-732051/page2.html#post3570580 [16:05] something like that [16:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:06] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:08] guax (n=guaxinim@201-34-141-194.fnsce704.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:09] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:09] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] it uses hal me thinks [16:11] sounds like an echo [16:11] i was reading backlog (didn't see your response) [16:11] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] :) [16:12] thrice`, thanks [16:12] thrice`, one more thing... i can i make konsole automaticly copy the lines i select with the mouse ? [16:13] you can use gpm for that (the old way of doing it) [16:13] highlight + middle click doesn't work? [16:13] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [16:14] thrice`, it does .. 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[16:37] no [16:40] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat075.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [16:41] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-f218258e9ff039c2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:42] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:42] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-06c609ead40ef630) joined ##slackware. [16:43] so... how about them braves? [16:43] meep [16:43] s/braves/beavers/ :P [16:46] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] i like shaved beaver [16:48] i fed some stray cats that hang around the back yard some hotlink sausages, they are hungry and gotta heat but the sausages are hot and spicy, its a funny sight watching a cat eat someting they cant stand the taste of, (better than starving i guess) [16:48] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-24-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:48] awesome story [16:48] s/heat/eat [16:49] they get all the leftovers i throw out [16:49] they even eat mashed potatoes and greenbeans [16:50] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] LOL [16:52] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.52.160.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] LnxSlck, shared beaver?...hmm [16:53] shaved beaver [16:53] nhamy [16:54] anyone here skate longboard? [16:54] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] i have not owned a skateboard since the mid 1970's [16:55] lol [16:55] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] ive owned at least one and a half 3/4s my life [16:56] i used to have one in high school [16:56] is a longboard those skateboards you lay down on and ride down a hill [16:56] C_S (n=xxx@unaffiliated/crazyscientist/x-886432) joined ##slackware. [16:56] havent skated in over 6 years.. [16:56] Pig_Pen: not really lay down [16:57] i see ppl at my university using them like a normal skateboard.. [16:57] it's just not made for tricks and stuff [16:58] i seen that in a video once, this guy in leathers and a helmet lays down on a long skateboard at the top of this HUGE hill that goes for a few miles and he is doing about 60 or 70 MPh by the time he is almost done [16:59] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] yeh its a sport [16:59] lays on his back going down hill feet first [17:00] road luge [17:01] there you go thats what its called :P [17:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:01] lol [17:02] found some vids of it on youtube [17:02] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:65) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-101.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] slackware.com seems to be down [17:05] confrey (n=dario@94.163.147.234) joined ##slackware. [17:05] hi everybody [17:05] appzer0: topic [17:06] Slackware64 -current made public! [17:06] up for me [17:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] I've installed kde3.10 from 12.2. in current, and now X dont'0 start yet, what's happened? [17:06] xXChronosXx: you're mistaken. [17:06] thumbs: oops thanks [17:06] confrey: mixing 12.2 with current isn't going to work for that [17:07] hollywoodb (n=wade_nel@76.17.165.23) left ##slackware. [17:07] twolf, but what's about kde3.10 in current? [17:07] confrey: don't do that. Stuff will break. Either run 12.2 or run -current. Don't mix your drinks :) [17:07] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:07] ok [17:08] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:09] confrey: if you really want to do it you are going to have to install qt from 12.2 [17:09] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] does 13RC1 use that horrid kde4 or something? [17:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-4-103.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] or even better, dont install any qt/kde packages from current, get the source of qt338 & kde-3.5.10 and build it [17:10] dchmelik, yes,I have a eeepc, and kde4.2.4 seems as a slide presentation..... [17:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] sigh... anyone have 500 USD they dont want anymore? [17:11] kde4 seems like windows 3 from the 90s [17:11] dchmelik, responses times are too slow, it's orribile [17:11] ima go stand on the corner with my sign. brb. need some cash. [17:12] http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/265918244_f16ba8182a.jpg here ya go Cann0n_ (rated G) [17:14] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] confrey (n=dario@94.163.147.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Connection timed out [17:22] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.52.160.static.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [17:26] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-162-165.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:32] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-164-146.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [17:33] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Why slackware.com is down? [17:35] its not, it just dislikes you [17:35] I can't get to it either [17:37] FFS [17:37] Cant any one of you read the frigging topic [17:37] this is endless [17:37] no [17:37] it's too long [17:38] type /topic [17:38] and truncatededed [17:38] anyone know _why_ it's down ? [17:39] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:39] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left ##slackware. [17:41] monstro (i=1000@201-68-39-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Zordrak: its incorrect. [17:41] Zordrak: slackware just dislikes alot of its users. [17:41] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] raela (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] got my slack hat, funny that my credit card hasn't been debited [17:43] you broke it >.> [17:44] Necos, i broke it? [17:44] how to write permanent the option "1" (true) of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? [17:44] Necos, how? [17:45] monstro: 2 ways: add it to rc.local [17:46] yeah, you broke it! [17:46] higuita, what is second ways ? [17:46] i don't know how's ya done it... but i know's ya done it! [17:46] or use the /etc/sysctl.conf file [17:47] add "cat 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" to rc.local [17:47] i was checking the filename :) [17:47] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:47] there are may exemples of the sysctl.conf in the net if you want it [17:48] thanks all [17:49] hi all [17:50] uva (i=bno@118-168-233-227.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [17:51] monstro: I believe you can also use /etc/rc.d/rc.ip_forward [17:54] td0s (n=HIM@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] what's a decent bluetooth app? [17:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.131.103) joined ##slackware. [17:56] sp, okay :) [17:56] monstro (i=1000@201-68-39-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] i only tried to BUY something from pat\ [17:57] didn't try to hurt anything...gave him a visa card # and everything [17:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "HURK" [18:00] brklynRednek: did you hax0r slackware.com? [18:00] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] :\ [18:02] my terminals are all breaking [18:02] "ls" takes about 30 seconds to finish [18:03] 30 seconds is a loong time for ls to lost a dir full of files, something is borked alright [18:03] /s/lost/list [18:03] it's not even that it's taking ages to scroll, it just hangs for ages and then outputs really quickly [18:03] how many items is it listing? [18:03] about 10. [18:04] try ls in the console, if it works great in the commandline (without x running) then it is either an xorg problem or the window manager [18:05] same in console [18:05] run top and see if anyting is hogging up a bunch of CPU [18:05] already did [18:05] mpd is top with ~5% [18:06] everything else is pretty much 0 [18:06] any errors in dmesg or messages? [18:06] kill hal and try it, if it does not improve kill dbus and try it again (just a wild guess) [18:06] oh, volume was mounted with errors [18:07] could be the problem [18:07] Pig_Pen, of course i didn't [18:07] Pig_Pen, i like pat's work, and wouldn't disgrace slackware.com in that way [18:07] dang! i keep forgetting to close with that tag [18:08] i'll give it a few more days to clear, then i'll call pat to arrange him receiving his funds...i don't want to cheat him out of the money i was intending to spend with him [18:08] hm, I think it's sshfs, but the sshfs mounted dir is a subdirectory in the one that is taking ages [18:09] you're running ls remotely? or course it is going to be slower than running it locally, anyting will be [18:10] no no, it's a local ls [18:10] but there is an sshfs mount on a sub dir [18:10] it shouldn't cause the lag, should it? [18:10] rather, i'll call the number on the invoice(assuming that's one of his numbers) [18:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587212.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [18:10] sshfs does funny things to the mount point [18:11] give it a few days, i doubt Pat V. is down to the last can of beans in the cupboard [18:11] with permissions and userid [18:11] Pig_Pen, that isn't the point [18:11] hm. i'll just ... mount when needed then [18:12] does unmounting it make ls fast? [18:12] yeah, it did :\ [18:13] kamaji: are you using slackware with ldap or pam or something? [18:14] for authentication [18:14] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] kamaji: wiht sshfs, if there be networking problems on that mounted subdir, ls will take as long as it need for sshfs to respond back. [18:14] nooper: nope [18:15] sshfs is fun, but can be a bitch with a dodgy notwerk connection. [18:15] BP{k}: That seems odd, ls isn't reporting anything specific about that directory is it? [18:15] oh, it's cause it has to go to sshfs anyway, right? [18:15] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-63-1.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) left irc: [18:16] ok nevermind :P [18:16] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] I wonder when this fsck is going to finish [18:16] tomorrow. :P [18:16] kamaji: yep. ls -> sshfs -> notwerk... I am sorta suprised that sshfs hasn't a better handling of it though. (or perhaps I haven't discovered it) [18:17] I might poke around in the source just for shiggles [18:18] hey everyone, just read that the rt61pci driver is a bit deprecated [18:18] anyone knows which one I should use? [18:18] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g [18:20] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [18:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-193.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i hope, not that is the chip both my wifi connected PCs use, (rt61pci) [18:22] I'm on the same room as the router and I get shitty signal [18:22] i would hate to buy a new wifi card, i will keep what i got before i install a new OS without that wifi driver [18:22] yucky signal strength? [18:22] about 50% [18:22] it's 3m away [18:23] ... ew... sshfs has a 3000 line source file [18:23] ugh [18:23] 50% at 3m... wtf you have interfering? [18:24] nothing [18:24] I think it's the driver [18:24] need to try the one from rt2000 [18:25] is it just me or slackware.com down for everyone? [18:25] aceofspades19: topic [18:25] you can always get a driver from serialmonkey, but it wont be any better than what is included with slack [18:25] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Kaapa: It is down and they KNOW it. I suggest you duck...I still ahve a bruise. [18:26] thumbs: thanks [18:26] Cann0n_ (n=jack@64-193-70-68.jck.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:26] I mean aceofspades19 [18:27] CygnusX1: got it [18:27] people never check the topic >.> [18:27] Necos: How do I do that in irssi? [18:27] CygnusX1: /topic [18:28] Necos: well unless you quit and rejoin the channel often, you don't usually see the topic very often [18:28] aceofspades19: Thanks a million! [18:28] no problem [18:28] you should make it a point to check the /topic every once in a while anyway [18:29] FUCK! [18:29] Necos: And watch where you set your coffee often as well. [18:29] Necos: when you have quite a few channels open and other stuff going on too, its not that easy [18:29] don't be lazy :) [18:30] I am adding that to my flow chart...slackware down ---> check slackware topic...noted? yes---> go to bed, no---->rais holy hello with Necos [18:30] i chat on 3-4 channels usually... typing /topic isn't that hard [18:30] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.146) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Necos: remebering to do that isn't always easy ;) [18:31] make it habit :P [18:31] are we there yet? dont make me turn this car around! [18:32] I cut the brake lines [18:32] you know what this channel needs? when you join, you have 30 sec to read the topic, then you get kicked.. then the bot messages you and asks for the 4th word in the second section of the paragraph, you msg it.. and it lets you in [18:32] like those old school juarez [18:33] click on my ad, tell me the 4th letter in this word.. ;) [18:33] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] jeev: thats easy, you just copy and paste the topic to somewhere else [18:34] huh, it forces the people to check the topic ;) [18:34] lol [18:34] Instead, maybe we should put those of you that get worked up about this under a large, pressurized vat of water...we have millions visit the channel asking if sl.com is down...energy problem solved. [18:34] All thanks to Al Gore. [18:34] CygnusX1, your idea's are a lot more dangerous than mine! [18:34] i like it [18:35] i dont even read the topic anyway [18:35] if you use something like x-chat, you should be shot, 'cause it's in the damn title bar lol [18:36] al gore invented the internet, he wrote it down on a single square of toilet paper right after sheryl crow got done using it :D [18:36] LOL [18:36] Oh...phew...been awhile since I actually typed in here. Used to be a bot in one of this channels that kicked you if you LOL'ed [18:37] do it differnet like 101 [18:38] >.> [18:38] be careful with those, you can put your eye out [18:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.135) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.135) joined ##slackware. [18:42] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) joined ##slackware. [18:44] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:45] anybody hear about some sort of new ssh exploit out in the wild? [18:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [18:49] what kind of exploit? [18:50] nachox: I'm not exactly sure. fusednetworks apparently sent out an e-mail broadcast to a client of mine (who has hosting with them) that was extremely scant on details. all it said was that there is a new 0 day exploit. [18:51] and I'm not finding anything on google or sans about it. [18:51] nothing has been reported at milw0rm yet [18:51] i've not heard anything about such thing, yet at least, it will be all over the place if there is something like that [18:54] I thought so too. maybe they meant that they have a bad install of ssh and have to fix it. but they say they're dispatching people to deal with it. why not just do it remotely? [18:55] eh, the new star trek movie is the best one ive seen so far :-) [18:56] im not used to not having apt [18:56] no way [18:56] it's star trek merged with star wars [18:57] mishehu, plus fusednetworks appears to be a hosting provider, they are typically slower to react to these things than other places. also 0 day exploit means there is no workaround or patch so how would their dispatched personnel solve the issue [18:57] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:58] xXChronosXx: slackpkg and sbopkg are your freinds [18:58] xXChronosXx: the first one is for official slackware packages, the seccond one for user contributed buildscripts [18:59] xXChronosXx: sbopkg.org for more on the later [18:59] macavity: I fart in your general direction. [18:59] lfs makes you guys look like bloatware [19:00] dustybin: and µLinux makes LFS look like bloatware [19:00] oh boy it's dusty [19:00] dustybin: however, both of the before mentioned distroes do not cover my day to day needs for a full blown development workstation [19:01] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dustybin: and i know since am LFS'er number 1221 [19:01] :D [19:01] s/am/I am/ [19:01] Action: The-Croupier waves at everybody [19:01] mishehu, http://secer.org/hacktools/0day-openssh-remote-exploit.html ... did you mean that? [19:01] hows it going today guys...:) [19:02] CygnusX1: if that was a joke i am still waiting for the punchline :P [19:02] macavity: you'll know when it hits you. Trust me. [19:03] Action: macavity contemplates what it would take to make a fart travel though hundreds of kilometers of cat5 cable :P [19:04] macavity: JJ Breakum's Star Wrekc makes it possible! [19:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host133-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] CygnusX1: oh, i laughed my behind off watching that one! [19:05] Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning [19:05] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [19:05] for those of you who have not seen it, go go go gadget torrent client... it is freely redistributable [19:06] macavity: Damn...I forgot I have the sitting here ready to watch forever. I'll bet I like it better than that latest awful thing. [19:06] dang, I cannot find the zone-h.org comics anymore [19:07] CygnusX1: the last Star Trek movie i saw was pretty much just a double episode :-/ [19:07] CygnusX1: and the one before that one (the borg one) was outright boring and crappy made [19:07] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [19:07] CygnusX1: this one is both fun (not corny/slapstick kinda fun) and exciting [19:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [19:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:08] macavity: Yes, I didn't care for the borg much either. But, at least the universe and characters were well. [19:09] macavity: If it results in a new series with the optimism and character relations of old...I might change my mind. :-) [19:09] does sbopkg work with slackware64? [19:11] C_Tux: we are implementing this in SVN. The 0.30.0alpha1 has preliminary support. Since there is no official Slackware64 yet, YMMV. But it will come. [19:11] In the meantime, just export ARCH=x86_64 and it should work with those SlackBuilds that have been updated [19:11] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:13] chess: that's why every package was failing ;p [19:13] chess: thanks ;p [19:13] C_Tux: np [19:14] gah, forgot conky was going to fail anyway since I don't have audacious installed [19:15] I believe you can disable audacious support in the SlackBuild [19:15] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:15] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ hehe, the stats are quite funny. [19:16] I just vim'ed the slackbuild :) [19:16] chess: would it be possible to sed the ones that does not? [19:16] agentc0re|work: are they up to date? \o/ [19:16] chess: just as a thought :P [19:16] C_Tux: Yup! [19:16] agentc0re|work: \o/ [19:16] champagne ! :) [19:16] macavity: what do you mean? sed the SlackBuilds? [19:17] Action: C_Tux has to put a :) in every message to keep the same stats as before : a happy face in 28% of his messages :) [19:17] Lsim08 (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) left irc: "leaving" [19:18] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [19:18] adding slackware64 support to sbopkg is trivial; checking and modifying the SlackBuilds in the repo so they work on 64bit is the hard/time consuming part [19:18] C_Tux: nah, switch to a :( and be the saddest person in ##slackware. :P [19:18] chess: if no x86_64 section is found, sed s/-march=i486 -mtune=i686/-fPIC/ [19:18] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:18] where do you get the stats again? from wigglit or other site? [19:18] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [19:19] chess: i know that it is a hack, and the user should be warned/asked [19:19] The-Croupier: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [19:19] fire|bird: never! :) [19:19] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] chess: but in 99% of the cases it would save the user from manual intervention when using an old script [19:19] macavity: but there is more to it than that. many (most?) also need the libdirsuffix stuff. check out the SBo template. [19:19] chess: oh yes.. silly me [19:19] yep, libdir [19:19] oh crap... [19:20] I already polluted my slackware install =/ [19:20] (I installed it one hour ago ='( ) [19:20] well.. when i switch to 64, ill simply symlink lib64 to lib [19:20] C_Tux removepkg? [19:20] .. because i dont need 32 bit anything [19:21] Pig_Pen: nope, nouveau, wasn't using a slackbuild for that [19:21] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeep" [19:21] just when slackware gets rolling with 64 bit i bet intel or amd makes a 128 bit CPU [19:21] macavity: he, I think you shouldn't ;) [19:21] what about make uninstall? [19:21] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Connection timed out [19:22] does installing nouveau wipe out the nv xorg driver? [19:22] Pig_Pen: didn't try, just rm'ed the files in /usr/lib and reconfigured correctly the beast [19:22] Pig_Pen: no [19:22] (I don't have it anyway :D ) [19:23] Pig_Pen: if you track the growth in address space by looking at when 16, 32 and 64 bit CPUs became the default, and use that as a pointer, you will be sad to observe that 128 bit CPUs will become predominant in 2046 or some such [19:24] only my desktops have X and nvidia's driver, this old laptop i have has a crappy old ati mach64 so i do not even have X installed, i just run console apps in it, i do have the generic VESA-VGA running nicely in it though [19:24] fire|bird: hmmm... that has my other nick on there... [19:24] Pig_Pen: btw, have you calculated how much memory 64 bits can address? :P [19:24] the old one has the-croupier [19:24] anyone has the git uri for linus's kernel tree? [19:25] macavity: nope, i never owned any 64 bit hardware yet, i am waiting for my brother to retire his year old amd64 and give it to me right after he builds a new one [19:25] i think i have to ask the maintainers of these sites... have my actual nick in there :( [19:26] got it :) [19:26] by the time 2046 rolls around i will either be way to old or dead [19:26] Pig_Pen: what happens then? [19:27] dude.. thats in like 37 years? [19:27] ill only be like 68 by then [19:27] i will be close to 90 years old if i make it that far [19:27] ah ok [19:28] i am 48 now [19:28] thought nowadays the 50's are the new 30's [19:28] I'll be 58 :D [19:28] C_Tux: kiddo :P [19:28] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [19:29] in 2046 i will be 46 >.> [19:29] yeah but i have some rough miles on me, manual labor is my trade, i am wearing my body out to survive, i get paid from the neck down [19:29] Pig_Pen: 64 bits can address 2^64/1024^4 TB of RAM [19:29] Pig_Pen: go hit up your calculator for that answer :P [19:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] o am not sure my calculator goes up that high [19:30] kcalck does [19:30] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] macavity, for what do you need so much RAM? [19:30] kcalc even [19:30] kftl [19:30] akira42_: i sure as hell dont need that much RAM [19:31] we could program the Matrix in there o.O [19:31] akira42_: however, my current CPU has 16 times as much L2 cache RAM as my first graphics card had VRAM [19:31] 1,02,587,891 [19:31] oops, i messed that up [19:31] macavity: you're jealous ;p [19:31] 102,587,891 [19:31] akira42_: ... and exactly as much L2 cache as my first PC had RAM [19:32] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Pig_Pen: yes.. and those are TB :P [19:32] akira42_: oh, I thought you were born on 1942 >< [19:32] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.131.103) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] yeah, add some zeros on the back of that [19:32] C_Tux, no - 42 is just the answer [19:32] he :P [19:32] akira42_: did you know that 256 bits is enough to count the number of atoms in the universe? [19:33] macavity, 256 bits .. 32 bytes? [19:33] macavity, Pig_Pen, just calculate 2^34 >< [19:34] C_Tux: yes, that is twice as much as twice as much as 4GB :P [19:34] macavity, I don't think 32 bytes are enough [19:34] akira42_: i dont think they are, i know [19:34] macavity: 256bits is not even enough to count the number of ip addresses in the world nowadays [19:34] math is not my forte, had a math teacher that hated me when i was in highschool [19:34] macavity: 4GB^^2 :) [19:35] The-Croupier: uhm go calculate 2^256 again for me :P [19:35] Action: The-Croupier was loved by his maths teachers their favourite quote "get out" was their goodmorning to him [19:35] The-Croupier: ipv6 is only 6 bytes long... [19:35] macavity: here you go 10000000000000000000000000000000000000....0000000000000 ;) [19:36] I need my X, tonight! I won't be able to watch pr0n otherwise ='( [19:36] macavity: i said the number of ip addresses (consider lan ones...etc) [19:37] C_Tux: you still do that?! [19:37] C_Tux, http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/ [19:37] akira42_: it is estimated that there are about 10^80 atoms in the universe [19:37] C_Tux, you can watch porn in text files :) [19:37] akira42_: last time i checked, 2^256 was slightly bigger than that [19:37] hi ya'll [19:37] hi gtl [19:38] howdy [19:38] The-Croupier: jk ;) [19:38] hello gtl [19:39] yo gtl [19:39] what can I use as GUI for bluetooth? [19:39] akira42_: source code makes me horny :) [19:40] akira42_: the fun experiement is to calculate how much energy it would take to flip 1024 bits in all the combinations, even if we assume that the energy required is the smallest energy quant known to man (that is, the imaginary perfect energy conserving computer) [19:40] 1024! is rather... big ;) [19:40] C_Tux: the number of combinations is 2^1024 [19:41] macavity: right, I don't know why I always write 1024! >< [19:41] C_Tux: times the smallest energy quant == more energy than the entire universe contains [19:42] C_Tux: that is, even if we smash all of it into quaks :P [19:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:42] macavity: but it's ok if it goes back to its previous state on its own :D [19:42] chow time... brb [19:42] Action: C_Tux never uses bluetooth [19:43] C_Tux: for which we can conclude that without quantum computing, a flawless cipher would be considered "safe" at 1024 bits ;-) [19:43] C_Tux: "you NSA... find the power to brute force THIS!" :P [19:43] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] hello, im Johnny cash [19:44] torture :D [19:45] Action: macavity points a very large plasma gun at Pig_Pen [19:45] you were saying? [19:45] macavity: gosh, bringing out the big guns, huh? :P [19:45] a wanted a million bit key [19:46] gn8 guys [19:46] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] my name is sue, how do you do [19:47] Hello, I'm Mr. Ed. :P [19:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89c3hWx3RQ (rated G) its a classic! [19:50] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [19:50] aaaahhh! my eyes! my ears! [19:50] Pig_Pen: you evil evil mofo! :P [19:50] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC01C48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:51] i was raised on that kind of music, as a kid thats the kind of stuff my dad would listen to [19:53] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-151-229.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] that does explain a lot now, doesn't it? [19:53] Action: macavity ducks [19:53] :P [19:54] the apples dont fall far from the tree [19:54] Action: macavity puts a sock in his mouth to make sure the self sencorship does not fail at this critical moment [19:55] C_Tux2 (n=root@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:55] right, i guess we could say that :P [19:56] how can i send a file with dcc in irssi? [19:56] think I got it [19:56] C_Tux: the same as always, but you probably need to set up port forwarding in your router/cable modem [19:57] C_Tux: use /dcc user_to_send_to location_of_file [19:57] fire|bird: /dcc *send* user file ;) [19:57] or load nat_contrack if your gateway is a linux box [19:57] you forgot the "send" :p [19:58] macavity: nope, no port-forwarding required :) [19:58] C_Tux: I've never used send, it always worked. :P [19:58] (and that's why I used dcc instead of scp ;) ) [19:58] fire|bird: hmmm, doesn't here [19:58] C_Tux: oh well, you figured it out either way. :P [19:59] C_Tux: if you are testing with both of your machines behind the same gateway you dont get a predicable result [19:59] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [19:59] C_Tux: do you want me to attempt to send you something? [19:59] macavity: I got the file I needed :) [19:59] and no, not behind the same gateway, computers are 500km away from each others :) [19:59] nice.. it rarely works without intervention [20:00] kids, don't reinstall your computer at 11pm, not if you want to sleep early ;p [20:00] C_Tux2: you shouldn't be on irc as root. :P [20:00] fire|bird: only one is :D [20:00] by that metric i would be done by 11:45pm :P [20:00] C_Tux: :D [20:02] C_Tux2 (n=root@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [20:02] fire|bird: here you go :) [20:02] phew, good, that C_Tux2 guy is gone. :) [20:02] fire|bird: I'll make him come back quickly ;) [20:03] please, no, one of you is enough. [20:03] :P [20:03] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.112.118) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] fire|bird, heya [20:04] C_Tux: I've got 4 nicks I can use, I have you beat, for now anyway. [20:04] ok, getting both "nvidia" and "nouveau" to work with the same git kernel source is going to be ... non-trivial to say the least [20:04] y0 brklynRednek [20:04] Action: brklynRednek salutes the camerade [20:04] fire|bird: he, I can use root, root_, root__ :D [20:04] yo brklynRednek [20:04] s/camerade/camrade [20:04] C_Tux: yeah, you would do that. [20:04] how are things in slackware land [20:04] they are slacktastic. :) [20:05] they are compiling ;p [20:05] C_Tux: why that? just make sure you dont attempt to load mismatching kernel and X pairs :P [20:05] I'll get nouveau another day [20:05] slacktastic ^5 [20:05] heh i was owning major in call of duty 4, this guy named FeedBird, i was calling him Bird Feed [20:05] that's for you fire bird. [20:05] haha [20:05] I've played call of duty 4, it's a good game. [20:05] i'm so good [20:06] but only play broadcast [20:06] have you beat the game yet? [20:06] macavity: because one of the way to get nouveau is to use its git repo, but with most recent git, "nvidia" is broken ;) [20:06] but I'd prefer to keep nouveau out of the kernel [20:07] C_Tux: mark my words.. withing 3 years or so you wont bother with the propietary driver any more [20:07] yea single player [20:07] it's ok [20:07] macavity: but tomorrow I need vdpau ;) [20:07] forget nouveau until it matures in to a better driver, i like the idea of a good FOSS driver but it aint happening right now, at least nvidia's driver works [20:07] jeev: yeah, it's good, but imo, not as good as some of the other ones in the series. [20:07] the new one is coming in november [20:07] back [20:07] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] i got my had, and freebsdmall says the debit will come out tomorrow [20:08] RipVanWinkle: the gallium based one is actually comming along quite well from what i read... as gallium itself matures, so should nouveau [20:08] s/had/hat [20:08] i wonder how much money pat gets off each hat since he uses freebsd mall to handle it for him [20:09] brklynRednek: hopefully a good portion, he deserves it. [20:09] brklynRednek: in deals like that the split is usually 50/50 on the revenue [20:09] brklynRednek: you need to live in Redmond to be able to only give resellers 2-5% :-/ [20:09] hopefully, i know the hat cost him about $5 to make [20:09] btw, what hat are we talking about? [20:10] macavity, the slackware hat [20:10] link? [20:11] http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/search?id=AYXEMCVh:mv_pc=8 [20:11] but.. slackware.com is down? [20:11] ... apparently not [20:11] macavity: yeah, the store is working though. [20:11] ah, the cap :-) [20:12] this reminds me.. i have not bought my $5 worth of donations this month [20:12] .. that should be available as a subscribtion [20:12] subscription [20:13] oh btw, it just occured to me that we could tweak the slackware lilo splashscreen to write '13' in binary :) [20:13] installed kernel, hopes everything works well :) [20:15] Action: The-Croupier goes to sleep... [20:15] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel.. [20:15] C_Tux: wash your hands before touching the keyboard ;) with your dirty source porn [20:16] goodnight everyone [20:17] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] C_Tux, i have the slack.bmp splashed as the menu screen, is there a boot splash? and a guide to install it? [20:17] i wanna see a full moon with a howling wolf silouette on the lilo spash, with a faint S in the moon (make a good 13 theme) [20:18] http://lfc.ab.ca/images/Wolf-Moon2.jpg something like that [20:18] Pig_Pen, i'm not quite on it, but it shouldn't be too hard [20:18] with a slackware S embossed in the full moon that you can barely see [20:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Pig_Pen, again, shouldn't be too hard, just change the pill into shadows, then paste the shadows over the moon [20:20] yeah! you know the groove [20:20] sounds like you're in to grapic art [20:21] Pig_Pen, i've put together a few corporate logos [20:21] with some layers & transparencies i bet it can be made to look great [20:21] Pig_Pen, that doesn't make me an expert by any means, but it doesn't seem to be that challenging [20:21] brklynRednek: I was refering to the lilo splash screen ;) [20:22] night The-Croupier [20:22] C_Tux, that's what Pig_Pen and i are talking about now...as far as putting a 13, in any form, on the standard lilo splash, it's a matter of adding the text to the project and exporting the file [20:23] C_Tux, it would take 5 minutes, tops to do it for what you want [20:23] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Action: C_Tux currently fighting the nvidia driver [20:24] Pig_Pen, i estimate an hour for what you want [20:24] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:25] oh, that's cool [20:25] Pig_Pen, i'll be happy to get on it, do you want the s to be raised above or sunk into the moon? [20:26] . [20:26] sunk in i guess, try both and see what looks better [20:26] brklynRednek: If you're using the image Pig_Pen linked to, I almost think sunk in would look better. [20:27] fire|bird, i think so too [20:27] and that reminds me, I have to get my graphics tablet installed again. I hadn't done that yet since the fresh install of current. [20:27] i'll reduce it to 2 colors... [20:27] if i can find a clip art to start with that is not branded with something [20:28] dude, the thing you showed me is more or less generic [20:28] lol, I was trying to build nvidia-86 on slackware64 and was wondering why it wasn't working >< [20:28] It reminds me of the Amarok logo. [20:28] should the moon be centered? no, to the left side, so the menu can show [20:28] C_Tux: you fail. :) [20:28] Action: TwinReverb is frustrated with kmail on 13.0 rc1 and gpg [20:28] yeah, that one is not bad, but i seen some that were branded when i was googling for it [20:29] TwinReverb: heh, I stopped using kmail, I became frustrated with it not showing my imap account at all. [20:30] nvidia.com is links-unfriendly [20:30] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "leaving" [20:30] clawsmail++ [20:30] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] BP{k}: ++ :) [20:31] How's it going BP{k}? [20:31] no i just can't decrypt [20:32] brb, gonna play with the slack logo + the moon photo for Pig_Pen [20:32] lets fireup photoshop, i dont use it often, but i have done some cool stuff with it in the past [20:32] gimp [20:32] gimp + inkscape ftw!!! [20:33] fire|bird: not bad, and how're you? [20:33] what you think about a new design of slackware.com, associated to release 13? [20:33] not sure i have inkscape [20:33] BP{k}: doing excellent, thanks. :) [20:33] that and i cannot burn DVDs in k3b. i see no system permissions tool, and my options seem fine. the process begins and seems fine until it gets to 99% and doesn't go anywhere [20:33] gabriel_: *shrugs* why? [20:34] gabriel_: what's wrong with how it is now? :) [20:34] fire|bird, nothing [20:34] fire|bird: it's not links-friendly enough :D [20:34] too many graphics ;) [20:34] C_Tux: use midori. [20:35] too many graphics? [20:35] 640x480 suit you Pig_Pen ? [20:36] brklynRednek: on current, inkscape needs a newer version, and I think some deps need some newer versions too. I haven't looked into it much yet. [20:36] fire|bird: errrr, X not working right now ;) [20:36] C_Tux: yup, just like you, breaking everything. [20:37] yeah, that should do [20:39] k_wolf (n=wolf@201.9.10.220) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.89.169) joined ##slackware. [20:39] the problem with kmail is that there is no OpenPGP tab in security settings [20:39] so i can't do what the documentation tells me to do [20:39] fire|bird: who said I had broken anything? freshly installed slackware64 ;) [20:40] C_Tux: Well, I'm just guessing that you did something. :) [20:41] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:42] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [20:43] anyone know why I might be getting; kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [#6] SMP [20:43] and dosemu.bin taints: G DM [20:43] when running dosemu [20:44] i have vm86 compiled in the kernel [20:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.135) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [20:48] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:49] my tinkinering on that graphic is going to wait til the weekend, i gotta make it in layers, bottom layer a full moon, middle layer a semi transparent slackware pill embossed, and the top layer a wolf, i am not that great with graphics, i do some stuff better in the gimp and some stuff better in photoshop [20:51] fire|bird: no, not yet ;) [20:52] guys any help with wicd? http://pastebin.ca/1486361 [20:52] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] v4nelle, 13.0-rc1 ? [20:54] i see a lot of "access denied" permission problem? [20:54] iyes [20:54] TwinReverb, --current [20:54] permission errors [20:54] but few days ago it workes.... [20:54] argh! my keymap from xorg.conf isn't respected! [20:54] worked* [20:54] v4nelle, yeah, that would be 13.0 -rc1 [20:54] but i dont remember to do a upgrade [20:55] everything wordes perfect with wicd [20:55] that's because there's no dbus [20:55] wicd is broke on even 13.0 -rc1 [20:55] No it's not. [20:55] mine works [20:55] how is wicd broken? [20:55] no dbus [20:55] try su first then run wicd and see what you get [20:55] sound working without alsaconf :) [20:56] stupid hal keyboard defaults [20:56] nothing works [20:56] TwinReverb: what are you talking about? [20:56] no alt, no down key.... [20:56] (but touchpad not responding to 'tap' and *that* is bad) [20:56] thrice`, there is no dbus on 13.0-rc1 so wicd does not work [20:56] bullshit [20:56] i'm using it right now [20:56] of course dbus is on -current [20:56] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:56] slackware-current/slackware/a/dbus-1.2.14-i486-1.txz [20:57] FAILZ0RZ! [20:57] ooops, did I think out loud again. :-) [20:57] shh [20:57] who is doing the nvidia driver slackbuild already? the 185 release, works without change on kernel 2.6.30 [20:57] i'm currently on dfailbus [20:58] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [20:58] i ripped the DVD per instructions, booted the install DVD (slackware-current), picked full install, booted up fresh, and lo and behold no /var/log/packages/dbus* [20:58] however, problem solved, i installed it [20:58] C_Tux: that would be pprkut. [20:58] TwinReverb: did your x.org start ? [20:59] thrice`, yes, perfectly and without xorg.conf [20:59] then you had dbus installed [20:59] if anyone is subscribed to the mesa3d-dev ml, please back me up on the request for DESTDIR support [20:59] read the channel logs, i had no dbus [20:59] I ripped the dvd per instructions, booted the install dvd (slackware64-current), picked up not full install, booted up fresh and, there is a /var/log/packages/dbus* ;) [20:59] BP{k}: thanks [20:59] rworkman: that goes for you too :P [20:59] i saw no /var/log/packages/dbus* so i figured it was due to the dbus depreciation etc but oh well [21:00] ok, you are right TwinReverb , everyone else is wrong [21:00] it's not right and wrong, it's simply what i saw [21:00] brb [21:00] pprkut: I mentionned compile-time problems with nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.30, with nvidia's 185 driver, they are gone [21:00] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] oh well, chalk it up to slackware being resilient or something [21:00] macavity: mesa3d supports DESTDIR [21:00] thrice`: what?!? [21:01] thrice`: i just grepped the 7.6 Makefile yesterday [21:01] 7.6??? :D [21:01] 7.4.4 does for sure :) [21:01] thrice`: and Patrick patches 7.4 to get "fake destdir" [21:01] well, I think just a few binaries need it (like progs/xdemos/glx*) [21:01] useless stuff, of course [21:02] :> [21:02] let me look that up... [21:03] thrice`: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/testing/source/mesa/mesa.linux-dri-x86-fake-destdir.diff.gz [21:03] phew... i thought i had just written a long elaborate plea for a feature that was already pressent [21:04] Action: TwinReverb will be back later [21:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:04] hum hum [21:04] have you tried without in a chroot or so? [21:04] maybe I will after this movie :) I don't see it on any other distro either [21:04] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [21:05] to support DESTDIR the top level Makefile must have the word DESTDIR in it :P [21:05] and i just grepped for it [21:05] for example: http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/mesa/repos/extra-x86_64/PKGBUILD?revision=43677&view=markup [21:05] not there [21:05] gentoo the same [21:05] what the FUCK [21:06] O.o [21:07] bootstrap (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [21:07] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] holy.. i think i just made an ass of myself *again* [21:07] I told you not to! [21:08] macavity: FRACKing is a whole lot more fun. It implies hot machines, space battles, and good times. [21:08] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:08] thrice`: for some reason i didnt notice that you told me not to [21:08] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] i need a new email adress soon :-/ [21:09] hey, pig, got the starfield cloned to fill 640x480 [21:09] ok, maybe I didn't, but, but...hm [21:09] next step is your slack logo underneath the wolf [21:10] now, now, now, why isn't my input correctly working in X? touchpad won't tap and xkbmap is wrong (always us) [21:11] that's a selective install (but only a few packages not installed), but I should at least get a keyboard map corresponding to the one in my xorg.conf [21:11] brklynRednek: Pig_Pen left for the evening, but i will be sure he gets the message [21:12] RipVanWinkle, working on putting the slack logo UNDER the wolf [21:12] arenics (n=root@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [21:12] it'll be about 15 mins and my first draft for his lilo boot screen will be done [21:12] arenics (n=root@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [21:13] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:13] thrice`: find . -name Makefile | fgrep DESTDIR [21:13] thrice`: on 7.6-devel this yeilds squat [21:14] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] thrice`: same on 7.5-rc4 [21:14] thrice`: what the heck is going on here?!? [21:17] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] nope, not in 7.4.4 either.. [21:17] k_wolf (n=wolf@201.9.10.220) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:17] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] ok, slackware.com is still down, can someone send me a pill logo? [21:17] guys, i need some help here [21:17] forgotten (n=me@66.0.170.105) joined ##slackware. [21:17] ocnfiguring bluetooth [21:18] distrowatch has one but it is small, not sure how well it will scale up [21:18] RipVanWinkle, i need a good size one [21:19] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:19] RipVanWinkle, i don't want to recreate it [21:19] i CAN, but i don't wanna [21:19] Hmm. xfce seems to think that HAL is not installed. (at least that what it says when i tell it to suspend) [21:19] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:19] i know what font to use, Courier capital S [21:19] is that a capital? i thought it was lowercase [21:20] the ratio of height to width implies lowercase [21:20] anyone heard any rumors, or facts about a NEW sshd 4x exploit? [21:20] maybe it is lowercase [21:20] but i knew it was courier or rockwell [21:21] i haven't done graphics professionally, but i know my way around desktop publishing [21:22] thrice`: i have no idea what so ever what the arch linux people are thinking that DESTDIR should accomplish.. the word is not mentioned in one single Makefile [21:23] lowercase courier s [21:23] PiterPunk, yeah, i think i can work with what i have... [21:23] if DESTDIR does not work, try INSTALL_ROOT=/path/where/you/want/to/make/your/package [21:24] no INSTALL_ROOT in any of the Makefiles either [21:25] what the HELL?!? [21:25] i'm kinda lost here, how can i make bluetooth work? [21:25] how the fsck did they do that?!? [21:26] i just typed make DESTDIR=/tmp/my-mesa install [21:26] and it workded?!?.. despite there being NO refference to DESTDIR in any of the Makefiles [21:26] >_< [21:26] fuck.. [21:26] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] goodboy leroy! [21:27] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] i am going to stand out like an idiot on that ml :-/ [21:27] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:27] naw, anyone would be unsure without a reference to DESTDIR in the top level Makefile [21:28] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] not in ANY of the Makefiles [21:28] find . -name Makefile | grep DESTDIR [21:29] bootstrap (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:29] i am rather perplexed about this... [21:29] i wonder if gmake is doing some magic here :P [21:29] i think DESTDIR should be hardcoded in the the make command so even if it isnt in the source code anywhere it still does it when invoked [21:30] very nice thought [21:31] if it has become hardwired into gmake, a *lot* of the slackware packages that install over the system can be converted into .SlackBuild [21:32] yeah, it would kill two birds with one stone, make building packages & slackbuilds work better, and the developers would not have to be concerned with adding it to the code [21:32] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [21:33] it would help with more than just slackware, it would work with any disto [21:33] /s/disto/distro [21:34] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: Client Quit [21:34] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:36] if it could/would work that way, i have no idea if the code would do it [21:37] giant (n=giant@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:38] is "M/B Temp" in sensors the northbridge temp? [21:39] my problem with wicd solved with adding user on netdev group :) [21:39] goodboy leroy! [21:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-193.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-1-20.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] LEEEERROOOOOYYYY! [21:41] antler: typically when I see a motherboard temp it's the northbridge [21:43] giant: cool, thanks. just wanted to be sure. my nb fan is gone, so keeping an eye on the temps [21:43] df -h [21:43] mine died awhile back on my gigabyte board. that's when i went quadcore [21:44] I'm just working on getting video updated on my laptop [21:44] it's running vesa now [21:44] jeeeeeeeeeeenkins! [21:46] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:49] lfs (n=lfs@234-64-212-66.spl.org) joined ##slackware. [21:50] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [21:50] hey, i cant get through to slackware.com, anyone else having the same problem? [21:51] topic [21:51] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] ah, sorry its been a while since i was on irc [21:52] lfs (n=lfs@234-64-212-66.spl.org) left ##slackware. [21:53] i am [21:53] I can't get through using lynx [21:54] Nick change: giant -> Giant81 [21:55] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] <|alisonken1churc> slackware.com has been down since yesterday afternoon/evening [21:55] <|alisonken1churc> don't know why, just trying to access it since then [21:56] |alisonken1churc, it's been having problems longer than that i think [21:57] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: I just know from when I first tried this weekend [21:57] forgotten (n=me@66.0.170.105) left irc: [21:57] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:57] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:58] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [21:59] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [21:59] everyone wondering about slackware.com read the /topic please [22:00] Dominian, it's down. [22:00] Action: hiptobecubic hides [22:00] Why slackware.com down? [22:00] why's space black? [22:00] Because..of chris punches [22:01] <|alisonken1churc> Dominian: going to be around after 10pm pacific? [22:02] more than likely.. no [22:02] that's like 1am EDT [22:02] :) [22:02] yep [22:02] late [22:02] <|alisonken1churc> k - then maybe 5am pacific tomorrow? [22:02] alicephilippa: 5:30 [22:02] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [22:02] doh [22:02] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [22:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] |alisonken1churc: 5:30 [22:02] <|alisonken1churc> :) [22:02] that's when I get into the office [22:03] <|alisonken1churc> ok - may ping you then (or you can ping me then) I should be at my desk watching the [22:03] <|alisonken1churc> n [22:03] ok [22:03] Did you need something specific? [22:04] <|alisonken1churc> nothing specific, but possibly related to /topic [22:04] acidchild: ping [22:04] |alisonken1churc: okie dokie [22:06] Dominian, you broke slackware.com? [22:06] if you know...then i must know what happened [22:06] Well, it all started with this lemonparty image... [22:06] <|alisonken1churc> :_ [22:07] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] :/ [22:07] Dominian, and? [22:07] lol [22:07] Oh.. that's it.. [22:07] i don't mind details... [22:07] I haven't finished the rest of the story yet. [22:07] Writers block ya know [22:07] <|alisonken1churc> edman007: clue! [22:07] hcitool scan replies "Device is not available: No such device"... [22:07] how to solve this? [22:07] yeah, i'd block that shit out too [22:07] gtl: get a working device? [22:07] Action: Dominian shrugs [22:08] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] Dominian, device works [22:08] gtl: not even sure what you're trying to do [22:08] Dominian, I'm trying to get both my bluetooth mouse and headset to work ;) [22:08] oh wel good luck with that one [22:09] I have yet to even attempt that on my laptop yet. [22:09] lol...'let me be myself' geico commercial [22:09] heh [22:09] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] Dominian, hmm.. thanks ... [22:09] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.56) joined ##slackware. [22:09] gtl: Sorry, I haven't done bluetooth in Linux.. or even Windows yet.. just paired my headset with my cellphone is about as bluetoothy as I get [22:10] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Dominian, no biggie... I know the devices (mouse and headset) and lappy's internal bluetooth adapter work [22:11] Dominian, heard it's tricky to get more than one working at the same time, tho [22:12] ahhh [22:12] danc3 (n=danc3@wsip-24-120-62-66.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] argh.. I need to update this mailserver tutorial [22:13] is the book installed with the OS in slackware? [22:13] but I don't wanna [22:13] Giant81: no [22:13] Action: eduardo detach [22:13] :( [22:13] Giant81: but you can always download the pdf version [22:15] can you view pdf's on cli? 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[22:21] I really love slackpkg and sbopkg [22:21] aye [22:23] <|alisonken1churc> hmm - still haven't looked at slackpkg yet - but I use sbopkg a lot [22:23] saves me the trouble of wget and all [22:28] had to create the slack logo from scratch, but making progress [22:29] RipVanWinkle, make sure pig_pen is informed that i'm working hard for his amusement of a lilo screen... :) [22:29] ok, will do [22:36] lol [22:37] sleepytime., laters, time to visit dreamland [22:37] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:40] ok, i give up [22:40] i can't, for now, get the 3d effect on the slackware pill logo [22:45] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-85.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:52] gustavo_ (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Dominian: pong. 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[23:23] nothing much Dominian [23:23] on a happy note, i kinda redid the slack pill [23:23] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Dominian, how goes it? [23:24] Dominian: bah i got company comming over soon [23:24] gonna invite other people over to balance out the awkward people in the room [23:26] C_S: what are you trying to find out that you can't just ask? [23:27] Dominian: got a job doing cisco stuff for 6 weeks [23:27] this should be boring. [23:27] it wastes time and the user might be not be there [23:27] C_S: stop that shit. [23:28] anondaemon (n=Owner@adsl-76-227-18-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] hey guise [23:28] i'm trying to decide on which distro to run on my server [23:28] what sets slackware aside from the others? [23:28] what kind of server? [23:29] my ctcp version isn't even valid so you're better off asking, or better yet...not doing mass ctcp versions in the first place. [23:29] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.56) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:29] strong stability [23:29] C_S: you're close to becoming persona non grata here; you did that shit last night after someone made it clear that it's not acceptable. [23:29] the debian channel also boasts stability [23:29] you mean channel ones and i did not request a channel one [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@89.251.107.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] C_S: Asshattery is asshattery. [23:30] anondaemon: use whichever you prefer. [23:30] you might be an 'asshat', i am not [23:30] well i donno which to choose [23:30] i'm a linux noob [23:30] i was looking for someone that is here yesterday [23:30] i've only been using XUbuntu [23:30] C_S: If it quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck. You're quacking. [23:31] we are humans, not ducks [23:31] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-141-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:31] whoosh [23:31] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] my guess is you're going to be leaving just a tad quicker than you slithered in :P [23:31] slither? [23:31] ok, wtf is going on now? another troller? [23:31] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:33] ??? [23:33] what can you guys tell me about freebsd relative to debian and slackware? [23:33] anondaemon, first of all, what are the tech specs of the machine? [23:34] its a laptop [23:34] ;P [23:34] that i'm going to use as a server [23:34] older than 7 years old? [23:34] as far as specs [23:34] ummm [23:34] brklynRednek: yes. [23:34] i'm not sure [23:34] it was abandoned [23:34] and i fixed it up with windows xp [23:34] thinking [23:34] that someone might come back looking for it [23:34] BP{k}, yes what? [23:34] c_s = uzr? [23:34] ? [23:34] but i'm keeping it now [23:35] and i'm trying to figure out what distro to use [23:35] now you use XP on it? [23:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:35] it is a Dell Latitude D620 [23:35] i'm getting rid of XP very soon [23:35] or leaving it on its own partition [23:35] or something [23:36] anondaemon: debian is going to be the closest to what you have experience with (*Buntu) [23:36] how much RAM? [23:36] anondaemon: that being said, any of the bsd variants, debian, or slackware will be fine on that machine [23:37] 3 gigs [23:37] i think [23:37] you can use whatever you want [23:37] any distro is going to be fine on that machine :P [23:37] Hrm, I thought I saw that it was old. [23:37] it is old [23:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.46) joined ##slackware. [23:37] i donno why it has so many gigs [23:37] of ram [23:37] http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfb/notebooks/latit_d620/pd.aspx?refid=latit_d620&s=dfb&cs=28&~section=specs#tabtop [23:37] Anything with 3g of ram isn't "old" in my eyes. "Old" stuff can't support htat. [23:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Latitude_D620 [23:38] uhm not "old old" [23:38] just not spanking brand new [23:38] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:39] so can you tell me what mhz are relative to ram? [23:39] not old not new [23:40] ? [23:40] says the processor is rated at 1.83 ghz [23:40] i understand that [23:40] but then it says [23:40] 988 MHz [23:40] , 3.24 GB of Ram [23:40] where can i buy a 5 GHz microprocessor at? [23:40] anondaemon: it clocks up and down based on need [23:40] that is the stepping technology to save energy [23:41] maxote: i belive IBM has some 5GHz Power6 chips [23:41] brainiac designs are better than the speed demon ones [23:41] anondaemon: but once you get a serious distro on it, you can inspect what kind of RAM it has, CPU revision, etc [23:41] hmmm [23:41] ok [23:42] anondaemon: dmidecode is your freind [23:42] so why should i run slackware rather than another distro? [23:42] You shouldn't unless you want to. [23:42] This community isn't much for evangelism. [23:42] because it is a distro that is maintained by competent people? :P [23:42] Well, there's that. :) [23:42] what up rworkman [23:43] panzer: same old same old. [23:43] what makes it different than debian and freebsd? [23:43] rworkman: well that means no horrible news. that is a good thing [23:43] Indeed [23:43] anondaemon: that once you know your way around it, it doesnt step on your toes and get in your ways [23:44] anondaemon: the best way to find out is to install it and give it a trial run. [23:44] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:44] different distros for different users [23:44] what kind of user are you? [23:44] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:45] i donno [23:45] anondaemon: end because slackware patches things as little as possible.. that makes it a lot easier to help myself with the generic documentation.. no funny gotchas hidden all over [23:45] <.<; [23:45] i'm a programmer? [23:45] a C programmer? [23:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.46) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:45] anondaemon: are you *very* comfortable with the command line? [23:45] anondaemon: and do you belive that system configuration is done with a text editor? [23:46] i'm learning to use vim [23:46] anondaemon: if "yes and yes", then slackware might be your long lost love [23:46] i do like config files [23:46] macavity: I prefer to use some magnets to align inodes ;) [23:46] anondaemon: if "no and no", then you probably want Ubuntu [23:46] then you like text editing :P [23:46] BP{k}: that's because you are "special" :P [23:46] i still need to learn to do shell scripting [23:46] ummm [23:46] macavity: Hehehe. [23:47] i code in c++ [23:47] instructions exist so it will not be hard [23:47] but apparently i use techniques that are implemented in C rather than C++ [23:47] so i get bashed for it by others T_T [23:47] also you understand programming fnudamentals [23:47] fundamentals* [23:47] i do understand programming fundamentals [23:47] well [23:47] single processor anyways [23:47] but programming fundamentals has little to do with understanding UNIX :P [23:47] i'm just getting into parallel processing [23:47] you will fine and happy with slack :P [23:48] guarantee :P [23:48] i dont [23:48] ok [23:48] tyvm [23:48] slackware it is then [23:48] if you expect any hand holding or automagic configuration tools, go see another doctor :P [23:48] you are welcome [23:48] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] lol [23:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:49] slackware site is down [23:49] where else can i get it? [23:49] if you expect that people whack you over the head for asking before consulting the manpage, then this is home [23:49] anondaemon: ftp.slackware.no is pretty fast [23:49] maybe university servers n your country mirror the DVD images [23:49] in* [23:49] thank you [23:49] =) [23:49] :) [23:49] gah [23:49] anondaemon: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ [23:50] where do i get slackware in here? [23:50] grabbing slackware now? why not wait until 13 is out -- shouldn't be too much longer :D [23:50] C_S: btw, why are you snooping what irc client i use? [23:50] i am looking not snooping [23:51] Just wait till he reads your RFID tag. [23:51] maybe someone uses an IRC client that i do not know of [23:51] only 12 hrs left O_O [23:51] C_S: most people wil find (as you no doubt have noticed) a CTCP version request, rather annoying. [23:51] 12 hours for? [23:51] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.68.126) joined ##slackware. [23:51] slackware dvd iso [23:52] gtg now [23:52] thank you guys for the help [23:52] anondaemon: and the great new is [23:52] or they think that someone wants to hack them [23:52] macavity: [23:52] ? [23:52] anondaemon: that in just a couple of days/weeks you get to do it again... slackware 13.0 is in the mold :P [23:52] dizbin (n=dizbin@71.202.109.152) joined ##slackware. [23:52] BP{k}, you think it is annoying? [23:52] gah [23:52] i won't update [23:52] ;P [23:53] C_S: well why don't you guess yourself after my reaction this morning. [23:53] until i feel i need to [23:53] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:53] cya [23:53] l8r [23:53] it's down as in 13th-day, xDDD [23:53] why does it annoy you? [23:53] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] C_S: try and see what happens if you do it to the entire channel during prime time :P [23:54] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:54] they will think that i am a cyberterrorist :P [23:54] if you just do us one at the time we will think you a cyberspook [23:54] lol [23:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:55] generally, i dont like to be sniffed.. neither port scans nor version information requests [23:55] to me, it seems like invasion of privacy (to a lesser degree); it would be like walking by a car, seeing people inside, and pressing your noise against the window to see who they are. [23:55] I won't normally kick people for doing stuff outside the channel, but in this case, it's been made explicitly clear that such shit is not appreciated. [23:55] i am looking at the exterior of the automobile [23:56] to see the brand and the model [23:56] You can poke holes in the analogy all you want, but that doesn't change the decision. That shit stops or you stop coming here. [23:56] C_S: that you don't understand my example is testament to why you are asking these questions in the first place. you need not agree to get my point. [23:57] (but that's just me) [23:57] i do not know what car it is so i take a look [23:57] i do not touch [23:57] y0 antler, how's it going? [23:58] antler: He can't agree with your opinion because he is a child, doing childish things and can only understand childish words. [23:58] http://www.stickdeath.com/2004auto.html <-- it's those cars. [23:58] LOL [23:58] i have valid arguments not ridiculous opinions [23:58] hi fire|bird and agentc0re :) [23:58] You seem to have both. [23:58] that is wishful thinking [23:59] C_S: i think the bottom line is play by the rules. [23:59] Poopoo head [23:59] LOL rworkman [23:59] i will [23:59] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:59] rworkman: hahaha [00:00] --- Tue Jul 7 2009