[00:00] good, vacation is good. [00:02] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [00:03] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-155-230.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:04] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:07] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Greetings Insomniacs [00:07] greetings NyteOwl [00:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-189-69.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] hi phoenix^ [00:09] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:10] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [00:10] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:10] I am not an insomniac! [00:10] i just stay up late. [00:10] :) [00:10] some times... real late. [00:11] heh [00:11] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-172-32.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:11] :P [00:11] espresso anyone? :) [00:11] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] I'm not an addict, maybe thats a lie. [00:12] Jullyend (n=jullyend@201.14.53.172) joined ##slackware. [00:13] quasar: wait, what? you took a minute to stop watching booya to talk to is? [00:13] yeah, ran out of lube :( [00:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.179.8) joined ##slackware. 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[00:34] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-28-84.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:35] Oh cool. Those are great in a soy-sauce-based marinade. [00:36] lol [00:36] :) [00:37] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] midnight-commander.org [00:38] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.77.126) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Action: lf4 o/ heyllo people [00:39] hey lf4 [00:39] hey fire|bird hows everything going, you get slack64 installed with ext4? :) [00:40] lf4: heh, nah, hadn't messed with that at all, was just building a kernel on the laptop though. How are you? [00:40] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] gm152_ (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] fire|bird: I'm doing alright just tired and could figure out how to get the rear wheels off the chevy. lol [00:41] haha [00:41] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.30) joined ##slackware. [00:43] the 32 bit slack with ext 4 is working great for me [00:44] I didn't hit you, I simply high fived your face. [00:44] Does anyone know how to set conky's window transparency to an alpha so its not fully transparent? [00:44] lf4: you have to remove the lug bolts ;p [00:44] lol [00:45] In Soviet Russia, lug bolts remove YOU [00:45] NyteOwl: Haha WOW! No wonder it was not doing anything. [00:45] lf4: admit it, you thought you could just keep turning the tire and it'd come off, didn't you? [00:45] The '55 is known for how difficult it is to get the rear tires off. [00:46] fire|bird: Yes I did isn't that how its suppose to be? [00:46] lf4: If you designed cars, apparently so. :P [00:46] NyteOwl: they're not bolts, they're nuts. :P [00:47] nuts, ah, so like lf4 [00:47] lol [00:47] lol ;D [00:47] well look who his girlfriend is [00:47] chopp: Thats funny I just automatically converted bolts to lugnuts. [00:47] Action: chopp runs [00:47] chopp: missyjane? :P [00:48] Action: lf4 runs after chopp! Who is my GF?!?! [00:48] fire|bird: so I hear [00:48] lf4: you have to ask? you don't know? [00:48] Action: lf4 goes and slits his wrist [00:48] haha [00:48] hahahaha [00:48] fire|bird: Is that what she's been saying in here? [00:48] xftalpha $xyz ? [00:49] mancha: Thats for the font not the window bg itself. [00:49] lf4: no, we just put two and two together. ;) [00:49] you might need a compositor for that then... [00:49] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [00:49] chopp: Well either I or missyjane are two :P [00:49] is QGtkStyle available in slackware [00:49] lol [00:49] mancha: Thanks :) I'll mess around and see what I can figure out [00:50] cool beans [00:50] phoenix^: I'll send her after you. }:D HAHAHA [00:50] lf4: own_window_transparecy boolean [00:50] lf4: OHGODWHY? remember, this is fire|bird you idiot. :P [00:50] hey Rat409 [00:50] hey phoenix^ [00:50] Rat409: its a boolean so its either on or off no alpha settings. [00:51] hmm [00:51] phoenix^: I know haha ;) [00:51] lf4: :P [00:51] Has she terrorized here lately? [00:52] yuh gotta be compositor then [00:52] lf4: aren't you in slackofftopic atm? [00:52] whats the version of qt shipped in slackware 13 [00:52] yes [00:52] qt-r1008952-i486-1 hmm [00:52] lf4: look at the scrollback :P [00:53] 4.5.1 [00:53] lf4: in offtopic [00:53] phoenix^: already am haha [00:53] lf4: It's insane in there right now. :/ [00:53] phoenix^: So I noticed lol crazy stuff. [00:54] lf4: indeed [00:54] has anyone benchmarked conky vs gkrellm cpu/ram usage for similar stats list? [00:54] chopp: GM used bolts not nuts (on their older vehicles [00:55] really? ok fine. :P [00:55] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87.196.77.137) joined ##slackware. [00:56] NyteOwl: These are nuts not bolts. My Audi has bolts. [00:56] lf4: ok. But OLDER checy's sued bolts not nuts [00:56] Action: NyteOwl is ancient rememebr [00:56] how to change Qt theme without kde being installed [00:57] NyteOwl: true :) [00:57] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.179.8) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:57] lf4: Good grief, she's gone mad, in slackofftopic [00:57] there is a slackofftopic channel? [00:57] haha I am reading that phoenix^ Just trying to stay out of it haha [00:57] this I gotta see [00:57] NyteOwl: ##slackofftopic [00:57] NyteOwl: yes, ##slackofftopic, missyjane's gone insane. :P [00:58] god she is totaly whacked [01:00] pi31415 (n=ben@207.55.32.206) left irc: "good night" [01:00] Nick change: lf4 -> krizzo [01:03] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] lol phoenix^ ok I just back-read all offtopic now it makes more sense but wow. [01:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:08] now if that isn't crazy, I don't know what is [01:08] aport` (n=aport`@68.8.55.162) left irc: "Leaving" [01:09] chopp: You were calling me nuts? lol [01:09] no missywhack [01:09] Nick change: krizzo -> lf4 [01:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:09] chopp: I know but ^^ earlier you were calling me nuts Haha. [01:10] no I wasn't. I joked around with you about her being your date. :P [01:11] chopp: haha at least things are going down ;) date is not as much as gf haha [01:11] you really didn't take me serious did you? [01:12] sorry if you did. *nobody* deserves her [01:12] chopp: lol no i didn't I'm just giving you a hard time. [01:12] chopp: Awe what about the saying "everyone needs to be loved"? [01:14] you better have gotten a "pic" first :p [01:14] not even my worst enemy would I direct her way [01:14] http://qikr.com/files/pics/h/highfive43533.jpg [01:14] chopp: they would be perfect! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nit1qJfCFKk [01:14] antiwire: very cool [01:14] antiwire: That's awesome [01:15] nice! [01:15] NyteOwl: lol yeah me and chopp both saw a picture but they were the same so we question if that really is her. [01:15] oh? url? [01:16] NyteOwl: Yeah from her "website" [01:16] who went crazy in slack-offtopic? [01:17] missywhack [01:17] lo; [01:17] lol [01:17] which picture? [01:17] she has a website? [01:17] what did she write? [01:17] she wont share her pics with me [01:18] she thinks i'll redist them [01:18] she went balistic. Check the logs. [01:19] chopp: Does offtopic get logged as well? [01:19] where? [01:19] need input! [01:19] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [01:19] antiwire: missyjane [01:19] where's the log? [01:19] I can post logs if y'all want [01:19] yeah [01:20] hahaha [01:20] yea [01:20] wow just pastebin it :P [01:20] an excerpt [01:20] lf4: hahaha, it got crazy (maybe even out of hand crazy) in there. :P [01:20] what did she do? strip? [01:20] Quiznos: It's irc, not video cam central. :P [01:20] she sounds like someone who used to hang out on #linux on DALnet. Can't recall the nick just now [01:20] it can be mental [01:21] freak she pm'ed me [01:21] lf4: hahahahahaha [01:21] I used to hang out on #linux on DALnet :p [01:21] heh [01:21] lf4: Date # 2 :D [01:21] me too ace [01:21] cancel was a serious pita [01:21] phoenix^: I'm piping her to you :P [01:21] lf4: there's not many around here she hasn't pm'd [01:21] phoenix^: lol [01:21] me too [01:21] Action: aceofspades19 checks his pms [01:21] here's a temp pastebin, I'll post an actual log later: http://pastebin.com/d65483d54 [01:21] aceofspades19 has pms? [01:22] i felt dirty after tawkin to her [01:22] lol [01:22] (pm)s [01:22] lol [01:22] Quiznos: cancel was cool, PasticDaemon was the worst though [01:22] lol MJ is seriously a nut :) [01:23] aceofspades19 ok; duno pastic [01:23] Quiznos: PlasticLawnDaemon was his nick, I just misspelled it lol [01:23] but mj is seriously confused [01:23] ok; no diff [01:23] that apstbin looks like 13yr old male drivel [01:23] do people still go on #linux on DALnet? [01:23] yay! back to kde4.3 :D [01:24] i was there a few weeks ago incognito; a few are still there [01:24] NyteOwl: yeah very possibly [01:24] small population [01:24] Here's the full log of tonight from when she joined until now: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8OkFRu28.html [01:24] aceofspades19: I was a longtime resident there but it seems more of an idling cvhannel these dasy [01:24] damn mj has lost touch with common sense and reality. [01:25] phoenix^: slow fail lol quasar already got it. [01:25] thats whack allright [01:25] lf4: oh well, I was messing with the kernel. :P [01:25] seriously [01:25] Rat409: ++ [01:25] the "off topic channel channel" is a funiest line so far [01:25] she should have been banned long ago the way I see it. [01:25] noobfarm that [01:25] chopp: yeah, from here as well [01:25] phoenix^: careful you might mess it up after that chaos [01:25] NyteOwl: yeah, when I was there a lot of people that idle'd 99% of the time [01:25] lf4: already did. :/ [01:26] Oh man [01:26] damn [01:26] that's looking into the dark recesses of one's mind [01:26] wow [01:26] Quiznos: that would require one to have a mind. :) [01:26] Action: Quiznos is sqeerd [01:26] nods [01:26] Wait thats not normal? *walks off* [01:26] she's short a full deck [01:27] or any part of a deck [01:27] She's a whole pack of fries short of a Happy Meal, and missing the burger. [01:27] heh [01:27] sad really [01:27] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [01:27] nyRednek (n=yosi@rrcs-24-39-107-170.nyc.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] hey red [01:27] how do i resolve this: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.4/VirtualBox-3.0.4-50677-Linux_x86.run [01:27] sorry [01:27] i meant this : QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine. [01:27] lol [01:28] why does all the fun stuff happen when I'm not here [01:28] dont worry about it [01:28] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.235.96) joined ##slackware. [01:29] siimo: don't use QGtkStyle with GTK_Qt engine? [01:29] i am not using GTK_Qt engine [01:29] are you using QGtkStyle? [01:29] trying to set it in qtconfig [01:30] I feel like I'm missing something [01:30] but I don't know what [01:30] lol [01:31] aceofspades19: We'll send her right over. [01:31] haha [01:31] wat [01:31] lol [01:31] Action: aceofspades19 hides [01:31] lf4: What has the poor guy done to you to deserve such punishment? :P [01:31] him* [01:31] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] aceofspades19: I'd ask for references [01:31] wow, I am now having my first kde crash issue [01:31] phoenix^: Nothing but he said he was missing something. [01:31] so how do i get this QGtkStyle to work [01:31] lf4: hahaha [01:32] NyteOwl: references? [01:32] lf4: send her to him and he'll be missing everything. [01:32] poor joke - it's late, I'm tired but don't feel like sleeping [01:32] phoenix^: Either that or realize he's not missing anything but she is. [01:32] lol [01:32] i hate that [01:32] lol NyteOwl [01:33] lf4: Send her to NyteOwl, he can't sleep anyway, why not scare the crap out of him. :P [01:33] dragonmst (n=user@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [01:33] would there be a reason for drkonqi not to start? [01:33] wow phoenix^ That actaully made me really laugh. [01:34] mfillpot: yes [01:34] lf4: good. :) [01:34] aceofspades19: after a restart for mass memory usage my KDE4 isntall won't boot and all I get is "unable to start drkonqi" [01:34] what's drkonqi? you mean akonadi? [01:35] I just cannot figure out how to trace the problem [01:35] phoenix^: by my userstanding drkonqi is the kde crash handler [01:35] Dr. Konqi is a KDE feature that will pop up and inform you when a program crashes. If you want to disable it, start the application with a "--nocrashhandler" switch or set your KDE_DEBUG environment variable to true. [01:35] aceofspades19: Ah, ok, I didn't know it was named that. :P [01:36] aceofspades19: my problem is that kde won't start, whne I try in init 3 I get the drkonqi message [01:36] all references I get are app based not specifically targeting kde [01:36] mfillpot: if you start in a different DE, can you start KDE apps? [01:37] I haven't tried that yet, I am running KDE now, with no bars, background or elements, the only reason I can run anything is because I have yakuake installed [01:37] aceofspades19: but yes I can run kde apps lile this [01:38] s/lile/like/ [01:39] hmm [01:39] I think I'll go watch Serenity - night all [01:39] night NyteOwl [01:39] night NyteOwl [01:39] night NyteOwl [01:39] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [01:40] reti (n=root@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] aceofspades19: this really is confusing me due to the lack of error messages [01:40] wha group do users need to be in to have access to mount cds/ dvds/usb drives/etc? [01:40] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:40] reti: plugdev [01:41] mfillpot: have you changed anything lately? [01:41] ah, thanks [01:41] reti: you be root [01:41] hmm? [01:41] chopp: indeed he be. Hopefully he's making a new user atm. :) [01:41] yeah, i'm adding myself to the plugdev [01:41] reti: don't irc as root [01:41] aceofspades19: nothing has been changed in the last day, the computer was restarted several times today without the issue happening, now I can't get kde to run properly [01:41] why not? [01:42] hahaha, 00:39 « missyjane» i saw a walking and talking cow [01:42] slackofftopic ^^^ [01:42] reti: google it [01:42] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87.196.77.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:43] reti: take their words seriously. don't network as root [01:43] ok [01:44] one last question, should i make my user use su or suo? [01:44] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:44] sudo* [01:44] Hey TwinReverb [01:44] resrt [01:44] hi [01:45] reti: add your admin user a member of the wheel group and give access via sudoers [01:45] Nick change: TwinReverb -> TwinReverb{- [01:45] Nick change: TwinReverb{- -> TwnRevrb{- [01:45] ok, thanks [01:45] reti (n=root@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:45] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:46] Nick change: TwnRevrb{- -> TwnRevrb{-_-} [01:46] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [01:47] TwnRevrb{-_-}: here's an interesting read for you :P http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8OkFRu28.html [01:48] does anyone have any idea of how I can fix this issue? [01:49] Action: TwnRevrb{-_-} is DJing with Slackware Linux over at the bowling alley [01:49] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:50] \o/ [01:50] Action: TwnRevrb{-_-} is now playing Weird Al - White And Nerdy [01:50] TwnRevrb nice [01:50] nice TwnRevrb [01:50] LF4-BB (n=LF4-BB@59.sub-72-121-43.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:51] i was listening to that on youtube just minute ago lol [01:51] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-51-103.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:52] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [01:52] yourealy want to any someone play trapted at the drive through [01:52] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.235.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:53] reti (n=reti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:54] alright, i'm back as non-rootnow [01:55] and I added myself to devplug, but i still can mount my usb drive [01:55] i get this error msg: http://pastebin.org/15312 [01:55] can't* [01:56] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] brb [01:56] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:57] Wish irssi was for the blackberry haha [01:57] I dunno why but I always have trouble reading that nick.. always comes out in my head as "milfpot" [01:57] lol [01:58] LF4-BB (n=LF4-BB@59.sub-72-121-43.myvzw.com) left irc: "jmIrc destroyed by the OS" [01:59] reti: plugdev [01:59] Krizzo (n=Krizzo@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [02:00] what about it? [02:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:00] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] and I added myself to devplug, but i still can mount my usb drive [02:00] eh w/e [02:00] redtricyc (n=irchon@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] i meant plugdev [02:00] oh ok [02:01] but i still can openup the usb drive [02:01] i can open dvds though [02:01] cant* open usb [02:01] hrm anybody else fail at installing broadcom wireless drivers on 64bit? [02:02] me, but i don't have a broadcom wireless card so i fail automatically 8-) [02:02] T_T [02:03] redtricyc (n=irchon@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] does anyone know what this error message means when i try to mount a usb drive? http://pastebin.org/15312 [02:05] mount is a root operation, sudo it [02:05] sudo [02:05] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:05] i have myself added to edvplug though [02:05] devplug [02:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:06] plugdev* [02:06] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Mrs (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:06] sudo it [02:07] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] mount: usbfs already mounted or /proc/bus/usb busy [02:07] mount: according to mtab, usbfs is already mounted on /proc/bus/usb [02:07] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] :/ [02:08] what is your mount line? [02:08] usbfs is not what you think it is [02:08] what do you mean by mount line? [02:09] you want to mount a usb drive right? [02:09] yeah [02:09] oahong (n=user@218.83.159.9) joined ##slackware. [02:09] what are you typing to have this happen [02:09] or doing, or whatever [02:09] mount /proc/bus/usb/ [02:09] thats wrong [02:09] sudo in front [02:10] dmesg and see what device was given to the devce [02:10] Krizzo (n=Krizzo@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:10] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Client Quit [02:10] maybe sda1 or similar [02:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:11] or as root: tail -f /var/log/messages then plug it in [02:11] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.149) joined ##slackware. [02:12] when you know the device, my example assumes it is sda1 then type "mkdir /mnt/temp; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/temp" or therebaouts [02:13] fine tune to your liking [02:13] it worked before [02:13] but then it stopped working [02:13] :/ [02:16] well mount /proc/bus/usb/ never worked, i'm sure [02:19] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] aceofspades19: I couldn't quite figure out that was wrong, but a complete reinstall of all kde packages did fix my issue. [02:26] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:27] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [02:27] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware ("kiddie channel"). [02:29] nullify (i=n@75-135-90-136.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. 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[02:33] listen > talk [02:34] I was wondering: is there an irc client that does not support writing, but only listening [02:34] that would be a great practise [02:34] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:34] Action: quasar didnt' know an irc client wrote or listened o.O [02:37] you could always just unplug your keyboard if you want to lsiten [02:37] that is semi-optimal for a nr of reasons [02:38] that is just sub-optimal I mean [02:39] coding a new irc client that does not send because you can't keep your yap closed is sub-optimal [02:39] :> [02:39] no, it is the perfect solution to get rid of a 14 year habit of spending too much time writing on IRC [02:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:41] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:41] so I take the source code to irssi, and remove all send commands [02:42] andli_: or, just shut your computer down, unplug the Internet, leave it alone. :D [02:42] bbl [02:46] reti (n=reti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:46] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-140.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] to completely disable the sending of data would 1) render the client useless and 2) not keep you connected.. every so often an IRC server sends a "ping" which your client responds to.. if it doesn't respond within a given amount of time you are disconnected (with the quit msg of "ping timeout" on most networks) ... why not just run a logging eggdrop? [02:48] hi [02:48] hell you wouldn't even be able to connect [02:49] oh hai [02:50] well; there's apparently a concerted effort to bury pro-linux/anti-MS stories on Digg and other sites. [02:50] reti (n=josiah@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Quiznos: really? [02:51] and isnt it strange how quickly the "it's so fast" stories about vista appeared so soon after its release? [02:51] NetrixTardis that's what i'm reading [02:51] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kernel_2_6_31_to_speed_up_Linux_desktop_Firewire_Linux_l [02:51] front page of digg... [02:51] i cannot run prboom [02:52] reti (n=josiah@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:52] when searching Digg always click on "include buried" [02:52] that'll bring em up too [02:52] uhm, i'm not even logged into digg. [02:52] just searching... [02:53] where are you reading about this? [02:53] IMO we should also send good email to Digg about using open source search algos and revealing who's burying what [02:53] hold [02:53] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:53] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] reti (n=reti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] TwnRevrb{-_-} (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:54] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [02:54] hey blackorca [02:54] http://blogs.computerWorld.com/digg_dug_buried_how_linux_news_disappears [02:54] restarting fixed it [02:54] try that before i leave [02:54] it's a freaking blog. [02:54] some jackass who probably has his "settings" set wrong... [02:55] just fkn read it [02:55] bbl [02:55] and it's from back in fucking June no less. [02:55] buried as old. [02:56] How is this different from how pro-Linux stories bury everything else on Slashdot? [02:56] there you go. [02:57] slashdot is full of ms shills now [02:57] really? [02:57] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] pretty much [02:57] i thought all the mac fanboys took over slashdot. [02:58] well its a battle between mac fanboys and ms shills [02:58] i'm looking at this now, and that's not exactly what i'm seing. [02:58] hardly any linux folk on slashdot now [02:58] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] geno (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:59] honestly, slashdot has broaden it's acceptance of "news". you want just Linux stuff? read LWN, or kerneltrap and god know how many other pro-linux blogs. [02:59] NetrixTardis: you should read what I say [02:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [02:59] and not make up stuff [03:00] whaa... someone is just now noticing slashdot isn't a linux news site? [03:00] apparently I said news [03:00] (hola, peoples) [03:00] this is why i put news in quotes, "news" [03:00] oh, that ain't what you said at all, is it? [03:01] cause i sure as hell don't know what to call it... oh I know, propaganda. [03:01] better word? [03:01] its hardly propaganda [03:01] you're right though, /. isn't really populated by interesting people any more, hasn't been for aeons [03:01] tbh, I hardly ever read slashdot, but the odd time I have, it's all been Linux fanboy BS (which is why I hardly read it) [03:01] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:01] LSD`: you haven't read slashdot in several years [03:02] fanboys aren't (weren't) interesting [03:02] I've never even looked at digg, is it worth bothering with? [03:03] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:03] NO [03:03] digg is much worse then slashdot [03:03] slashdot is a paradise compared to digg [03:05] I ought to get back into old-school BBSes, there are retro folks running them over TCP/IP now [03:05] reddit's programming section is pretty good [03:06] wonder if there's any remaining vestiges of the old FidoNet [03:07] there are, but the site hasn't been updated since like 1997 so who knows how accurate it is [03:07] do you know how to make inactive a lvm vg ? [03:12] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Hello! [03:12] Gulug (n=old-time@189-46-34-152.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [03:13] hm. Half the links on the fidonet.org page end up point to domain squatters [03:16] check this out [03:16] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/firefox_adobe_security_warning/ [03:18] twinkie_addict: eh, OK [03:18] free software (firefox) doing damage control for proprietary software (flash)... [03:21] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4D89.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] not saying one should believe everything they read but still, makes me want to use non adobe alternative anyway [03:21] i try to use slackpkg but where i will find the list for packages? [03:22] not that i use flash for much other than youtube , [03:23] redtricyc (n=irchon@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] redtricyc (n=irchon@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] slackpkg is more to keep the system in sink with the server , ie updates and upgrades [03:24] You can use slackpkg to search for things within the official packages. [03:24] how do i install flash? [03:24] It's not anything like URPMI or apt though... [03:24] reti, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [03:25] reti unzip the tar and copy the pluging to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins [03:25] Make sure to use the latest Flash version in the build. [03:25] am i d/ling the slackbuild or the source/ [03:26] your choice :) [03:26] heh [03:26] they both work [03:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:28] do i use installpkg on the *slackbuild file? [03:29] reti: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [03:30] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [03:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left ##slackware. [03:32] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:36] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. 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[03:50] reti (n=reti@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:51] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [03:58] How do I manually upgrade from Slackware 11.0 to v 13? [03:58] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:00] mel_, first upgrade to 12.0 then 12.1 then 12.2 then 13.0 [04:00] wouldn't a clean install be best here thats a big version jump [04:00] mel_, just reinstall [04:00] mel_: You're best bet would be to do a clean install. [04:00] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) joined ##slackware. [04:01] backup first ofcource [04:01] :) [04:01] Thom1, you mean install v 13.0? Can I do it without disturbing my current partitions, and what about /etc? [04:02] mel_: /etc can be backed up, do you have a separate /home partition? [04:02] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.76.114) joined ##slackware. [04:03] mel_, when I reinstall, I only backup /etc (/home is on a different partition) [04:03] No, I have only two /boot+/ swap. I am thinking of having 3 or 4 partions. The other partitions are FAT partitions. [04:04] so you have nothing in /home to backup ? [04:04] No, There is a lot of data of 4 user accounts. [04:05] mel_, backup /etc, boot slackware-13.0 dvd, remove everything but /home then reinstall without format [04:06] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Oh thanks, Thom1! [04:06] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430602.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:07] So, do I have to manually clean-off other directories, or does it automatically happen during the fresh 13.0 install? [04:08] slackware dont pkg virtualbox o_X [04:08] mel_: The install will format everything you tell it too. You don't have to remove everything yourself first. [04:08] Thanks phoenix^. [04:08] phoenix^, he won't format [04:09] mel_, you don't need to clean if you format, but you don't [04:09] i suggest a backup [04:09] siimo, i understand he can't [04:09] Using Slackware 13. Installed wicd. I can't get it to connect in a local bar. iwlist shows "FREEBIRD FRONT" but wicd shows Hidden Network [04:10] What is the most likely cause of this? [04:10] Why wouldn't he format? You'd tell it to not format /home, but you'd want to format everything else. [04:10] backing up what you needed first [04:10] secwarrior: i have same issue at home o_X i have two ap's the unsecurred one shows up as hidden and cant connect, wpa one connects [04:10] i haven't found a solution [04:10] http://pastebin.ca/1555898 [04:11] That is the iwlist scan [04:11] All right, I will backup /home, /etc. But I don't have /home on a separate partition. [04:12] hmm i did iwlist scan too and it recognises it in the scan [04:12] mel_, if you can backup /home, you can change your partition and create one for /home [04:12] better ask in #wicd [04:12] secwarrior, there's been an update [04:13] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/packages.html [04:13] Thanks siimo I'll do that also. I have previously connected here with Ubuntu and wicd. [04:13] But I guess there may be something I need to do manually with slackware. [04:13] try TwinReverb's package [04:14] Thom1, would creating a separate partition not destroy the FAT partitions? [04:14] mel_, i forgot that :) [04:15] mel_, if you don't manipulate your fat partitions with fdisk, they won't be changed, but be careful [04:15] So what do I do in my case? [04:15] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:17] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:17] mel_, so you can delete you linux partition an recreate them with a new for /home [04:17] s/you/your [04:18] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap ..... :)" [04:20] lol now wicd shows a network as 254% signal [04:20] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [04:20] siimo, you can surf in the future with a signal that strong [04:21] lol [04:21] siimo, is it showing you that high a signal with my package? [04:22] Thom1, I suppose, I will not be able to create a new partition for /home, right now, hda1+hda2 are for /+swap, hda3 Windoze, hda[4-8] FAT. [04:23] mel_, ok [04:23] chenfeng` (n=user@59.111.149.222) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:23] TwinReverb: yeah but after refresh its normal [04:24] siimo, did you shut off wicd before upgradepkg ? [04:24] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:24] yeah and then i restarted it [04:24] ok just making sure [04:24] what have you changed in your pkg [04:24] chenfeng` (n=user@59.111.149.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:24] or just a new version [04:26] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Yesterday, I booted using the 13.0 DVD. I chose "TARGET" from the setup, and it detected my EXT2 partition, and asked me if could detect the FAT partitions. I denied and quit setup. [04:26] siimo, the version. i asked in #wicd and they said there's an update so i updated and it works [04:27] mel_, just choose "continue" without adding your fat partitions in fstab [04:28] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left irc: "Leaving" [04:28] Thom1, so will I be able to continue from there upto a successful installation? [04:28] Action: TwinReverb nods [04:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] mel_, of course, setup will install slack on your linux partitions without modify your fat [04:30] if you don't add your fat in fstab [04:30] use extra lean fstab, 98% FAT free [04:31] chenfeng` (n=user@59.111.149.222) joined ##slackware. [04:31] if you don't need those partitions, move on to something safer [04:31] I have seen many partioning schemes, and I have seen that the first partition (/dev/hda1) is for swap and the second (hda2) for /. Why is this, and not the other way around? [04:32] it is fine the other way too [04:32] mel_, i believe it's due to the supposition that the beginning of the drive is the fastest area of it, and swap needs all the help it can get [04:32] Nick change: chenfeng` -> chenfengyuan` [04:32] but you can have it any way you want [04:32] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.148.134) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:33] Nick change: chenfengyuan` -> chenfengyuan [04:34] Thanks TwinReverb, but is it true that setting up the 1st partition for swap gives you more freedom for other partitons, since the size of swap is usaully fixed? [04:34] i doubt it does. i guess if you see it that way. [04:34] why do you have fat partitions btw? [04:35] I am using Slackware and Windows 98 (SE). [04:35] mel, swap can be nuked as a partition and put anywhere you like, so its no big benefit [04:36] i would strongly caution you against using windows 98 se in any way on any network or internet of any kind. it is extremely old and also extremely insecure by any standard [04:36] I have moved to Linux (Slackware) just about 8 months ago :) . [04:36] i.e. if it isn't the first part but between two ext3 parts and you want to merge the two ext3, just nuke swap, re-make two parts and presto [04:36] i mean, i can understand win9x on fat32 but if it were me i wouldn't use it on any network or internet whatsoever [04:36] i can understand needing some of its features or some software that runs on it so i'm not insulting you [04:39] http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end [04:39] sorry... couldnt help myself [04:40] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:40] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) joined ##slackware. [04:40] What are the advantages of the EXT3 file system over the EXT2, besides the journalling? [04:40] journaling is a big benefit [04:40] linux-2.6.27.x don't support ext4 ? [04:41] im more curious about ext4.... that choice if i remember correctly was not available when slackware 12.2 came out [04:41] I have read that EXT2 is much faster than EXT3. [04:42] nop... ext4 support started with the 2.6.28 kernel [04:42] mel_, speed [04:42] mel_, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/sony/sony.html [04:43] mel, not having to update the journal is a time saver [04:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [04:43] linXea (n=esbjorn@81.233.227.253) joined ##slackware. [04:44] er my badd, the benchmark isn't there [04:44] linXea (n=esbjorn@81.233.227.253) left irc: Client Quit [04:44] i remember reading somewhere that ext3 has far better support for when things happen like a power outage.... where with ext2 some people could no longer boot their system. Has anyone else read something along those lines? [04:44] Action: quasar sighs [04:44] all file systems have issues with unexpected power outtages [04:44] dragonmst, you don't "support" filesystems [04:45] er power outages [04:45] you resist damage from them [04:45] you don't support tornadoes, etc [04:45] yeah... i know what i meant.... :p [04:45] forgive me... im tired.... havent gotten much sleep the last few days and its 2AM [04:46] anyone ever notice that the singer for The Fray looks like a giant rat? [04:46] if the power outage comes at a bad time between key ext2 operations, you can have bad corruption [04:46] i suport huracanes , i just ask for a donation [04:46] ext4 is faster in most circumstances [04:46] :) [04:46] er hold on let me check again [04:46] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-130-89.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:47] that's precisely what journals prevent [04:47] unpacking a kernel tarball: ext4 is faster. deleting it is faster, installing seamonkey is faster, and upgrading it is faster [04:47] how do they prevent corruption? [04:48] linXea (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:48] i know they make filesystem checks faster [04:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.120.231) joined ##slackware. [04:49] under ext3 your hw could still play tricks on you and write things in unexpected order [04:49] so you'd still be SOL [04:49] mancha, reference? [04:49] TwinReverb, tried your wicd package. FREEBIRD FRONT ON Channel 6 still appears hidden. FREEBIRD BACK shows now though. [04:50] secwarrior, did you shut off wicd before upgrading the package? [04:50] google for write caching in wrong order ext3 or summit [04:50] Hi... I have some problems with setting up gfx drivers for my old "ATI radeon 9000 mobility"... Im familiar with xorg.conf and other ATI-cards but I can't get this one to work with anything else than the VESA-drivers... Its an old dell laptop from 2002 [04:50] wow really impressed with speed of virtualbox, pwns vmware [04:50] chenfeng` (n=user@59.111.134.16) joined ##slackware. [04:50] linXea, uh, slackware 13? [04:50] linXea: try the radeon driver it should work out of the box [04:50] System: Host esset Kernel 2.6.27.7-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro Slackware 12.2.0 [04:51] TwinReverb, I uninstalled the old one first. Then installed your package [04:51] running 12.2 =/ ... I did the xorgconfig with both the "ATI generic" and the "ATI radeon" ... drivers... still no luck [04:52] with slackware 13 you dont even need xorg.conf [04:52] linXea, i would say that i don't like ATI at all for linux. for 12.2, run xorgsetup or xorgconfig. i'd say however you might want to upgrade to 13.0. i have a friend who has such an old laptop. it gets decent acceleration but it doesn't matter because the machine is still slow, regardless of what you do. [04:52] so, i know i am going to feel stupid for asking this, because i know i should know what package this library corresponds to, but what package does libnss3.so correspond to? [04:52] CPU[-Single core Mobile Intel Pentium 4 - M (UP) clocked at 1993.525 Mhz-] Kernel[-2.6.27.7-smp i686-] Up[-15 min-] Mem[-45.1/244.2MB-] HDD[-30.0GB(1.3% used)-] Procs[-75-] Client[-Irssi 0.8.12-] inxi[-1.1.13-] [04:53] not that slow.. well I'd better install 13.0 then.. Im tired of this piece of shit card.. [04:53] secwarrior, you need to refresh it. you should've shut it off (as root, "/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd stop"). but since you did not, please restart it (as root, "/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd restart") [04:53] linXea, if you're tired of that piece of krap card, get a new laptop. sorry, but that's what you're facing. [04:53] dragonmst, looks like firefox or seamonkey [04:53] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.149.222) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:54] Twin, you can always disable write cache and bite the performance bullet, which is what someone very concerned with data integrity would do [04:54] that would be why it sounded familiar [04:54] NetNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-251-160.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: "Leaving" [04:54] mancha, i'm not because i don't experience problems and because i have backups [04:54] TwinReverb: Im just setting this one up as backup-computer for my summerhouse.. I have a brand new MBP running slack 13.. [04:54] Nick change: chenfeng` -> chenfengyuan [04:54] you're free to do as you wish just letting you know about this potential for ext3 problems [04:55] linXea, oh. well then get slack 13 and it will give you VESA when you boot to X. won't get massive frame rates but it will work. [04:55] mancha, i use ext4 [04:55] before that, XFS [04:55] thank you guys.. back later with slack 13 =) .... [04:55] oh, sorry, someone asked me for a reference on ext3 write cache problems, i am tred, thought it was you [04:55] linXea (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [04:55] *tired [04:55] mancha, it's ok [05:00] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-51-103.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:01] Which filesystem is better ext4, reiserfs to install slackware with? [05:01] ext4 [05:01] reiserfs is a dead project.. kinda like his wife [05:02] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:02] quasar, why ext4 is better? [05:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [05:03] quasar: i don't find it appropriate to make jokes like that [05:03] Ekc_: ok [05:03] doesn't mean he didn't kill his wife [05:04] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) joined ##slackware. [05:04] quasar does have a point.... [05:04] i thought they were going to let hanz work on his fs in prison . did that change ? [05:04] who cares anyway [05:05] twinkie_addict: the company that he was working with said they were going to continue developing reiserfs4 ... but not a whole lot of developing has been done on it [05:05] ah i see [05:07] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:10] I still think ntfs-3g is everything but optimized, 30% cpu to write a file _linearly_... [05:11] gross [05:11] how big was the file? [05:11] Action: quasar 's curious [05:11] copying a few hundred MBs [05:12] chroot prison ; rm -rf /wife [05:12] wrong window [05:13] ^^ [05:15] dont you love software authors who dont allow for a DESTDIR (or other various option) when doing a make install? -_- [05:15] ug i just love building wine it takes forever lol [05:15] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] ever tried qt or OOo? :) [05:16] yes [05:16] Action: twinkie_addict shutters [05:16] and you think wine takes forever?! [05:16] for what it does yes [05:16] KDE isn't a picnic either [05:16] my laptop gfx card performs like crap on linux otherwise id install WINE and play some warcraft [05:16] how long does it take? never used it [05:16] no it isnt lol [05:17] spent many hours and days compileing in sourcemage [05:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:17] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:17] wine takes between 30 and 60 minutes here [05:18] yeh same for me not long realy but im inpatiant tonight lol [05:18] compile gcc :) [05:18] oh crist [05:18] nothanks not if i dont have to [05:18] on cygwin :) [05:19] overwhelming influx of new people in the channel [05:19] HAH.. I was just compiling some software then accidentally rm -rf'd the source directory -_- [05:19] frullet: happens every release [05:19] siimo: figured.. [05:19] frullet: yeah, I think we should kill them all :) [05:19] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:20] Action: twinkie_addict has been a slack for a wile i dont nomaly come in here since the damn os doesnt break for me lol [05:20] they will go to ubuntu come their release [05:20] Camarade_Tux: great minds think alike :) [05:20] started with 9.1 [05:21] frullet: you must be really intelligent ;) [05:21] i play with other distros to see whats out there but i always have my main os be slackware [05:22] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.202) joined ##slackware. [05:22] I play with myself.. it's much cheaper than finding someone to play with me. [05:22] lol [05:22] chat has been fun in here tonight so i decided to stay around [05:23] quasar you play with yourself the same way pewee herman did? [05:23] mmm popcorn [05:23] no.. I prefer to stay at home. [05:23] when was he released btw? [05:23] quasar: I'd have payed you to play with me ='( [05:23] ohh yeah the whole frugality thing figures ... [05:24] i hope one of you at least is a female... [05:24] Camarade_Tux: I come from a very underprivileged childhood.. thusly I'm glad I am male.. otherwise I would've had nothing to play with. [05:25] bnhashmi: sure, there's one or two lurking around here somewhere [05:25] quasar: cucumbers ! xD [05:25] bnhashmi: I think there are about 7 females here [05:25] and none talking right now [05:26] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.10) joined ##slackware. [05:26] does CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined mean that i log the referrer too? [05:27] dont think so [05:28] but, check their website or ##apache [05:28] secwarrior (n=felixdz@118.103.180.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:28] or #apache rather [05:31] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [05:31] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.134.16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] what the LogFormat specs on combined, again? [05:33] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.251) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:33] ls [05:33] oops [05:34] if it has something liek %{Referer} you'll get your referrers [05:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Connection timed out [05:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [05:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [05:37] ah, it does.. dont recall ever seeing a referer or useragent in my logs though [05:38] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [05:41] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87.196.70.48) joined ##slackware. [05:42] test it, if any page of yours is googleable, click it there and check logs [05:42] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-130-89.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:42] probably just not using combined [05:43] do I really need all that info anyway? :) [05:43] heh i have no way to answer that, you know your needs best :> [05:44] would be nifty for statistics but its not a need for me [05:44] 99.999% of all users who get a 404 error use IE !! [05:44] Action: quasar tries harder to make that 100% [05:45] and for outfits that like to know how poeple are reaching them, etc [05:46] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) joined ##slackware. [05:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:53] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:54] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. 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[06:39] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:39] jekkt: after a little thinking you would come up with the idea of installing gnutls [06:41] alienBlu1b, [ installed ] - gnutls-2.6.6-i486-1 [06:41] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.203.241) joined ##slackware. [06:42] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87.196.70.48) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:45] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl11-119-140.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:46] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.167.242) joined ##slackware. [06:46] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [06:47] jekkt: it seems you downloaded and installed a package for aiccu and did not compile it yourself?//////// [06:47] Nick change: alienBlu1b -> alienBlurb [06:48] hie all, i have a problem running slackware 13x64, on my turion x2, nvidia 9100mgs ... kde is very sluggish, tried replacing 'vesa' with 'nv' in xorg.conf, x crashes with "no screens found or no devices found [06:49] is there any irc daemons for slack? [06:49] rahul_: you should install the NVIDIA binary driver [06:49] rainland: you can compile most ircds on slack [06:49] rainland: I use ircu (Underland IRC deamon) myself [06:49] i tried that too, downloaded 189.53 and x does not start with the same error [06:50] ok thanks [06:50] Action: quasar has used bahamut and.. that other one (cant' remember atm) [06:50] rahul_: then check for the errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:50] tried disabling compositing, stil no results : alienBOB [06:50] Unreal [06:50] What you can also do is remove xorg.conf entirely and see if that works better [06:51] i will switch to nv, and nvidia, collect error logs and come back , nopes removing xorg.conf does not help [06:51] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:52] infact it was not there by default and x would not start, so i copied xorg.conf-vesa to xorg.conf, added my wxga resolution and x worked, though very sluggish [06:52] alienBlurb, i download it from here slackware : http://www.sixxs.net/tools/aiccu/ [06:52] and than installpkg aicu...tgz [06:52] i will get those logs and be back, brb [06:52] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.167.242) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:53] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:53] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:54] rainland, there isn't one packaged for slackware, but may I suggest you to try 'ngircd'. You won't lose your sanity installing that. [06:56] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-47-226.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:57] CoCo59_ (n=CoCo59_@ALille-154-1-31-110.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] ya [06:57] French? [06:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-250-89.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [06:57] CoCo59_ (n=CoCo59_@ALille-154-1-31-110.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [06:58] livebrain (n=200mg@87.196.203.241) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:59] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:59] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-217.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:05] jekkt: obviously that package you downloaded is not for Slackware 13.0 [07:05] jekkt: that package was made for slackware 11.0, personally I'd take the .SlackBuild and slack-desc (in the /install directory) and make a package built for your system using it [07:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [07:08] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:10] rapid (n=rapid@210.49.86.242) joined ##slackware. [07:10] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.167.242) joined ##slackware. [07:15] hie alienBOB : tried using nv, error received, ignoring obsolete keyword rgb , failed to load type1, module does not exist, same for module freetype, no devices detected [07:17] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28A47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:17] hulllooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [07:20] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.167.242) left irc: "Leaving" [07:22] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [07:24] <[OpenSys]> ppl there exist any file to add services do boot, without be the rc.local ? [07:25] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:26] [OpenSys]: just put some *executable* rc.* files in /etc/rc.d [07:27] that wouldn't make them automagically start on reboot [07:27] only thing I can think of is a crontab entry.. but some sysadmins dont like that approach [07:28] [OpenSys] : why can't you use rc.local? [07:28] <[OpenSys]> i have done this allready, but let me make other reboot to test it [07:29] [OpenSys] : placing a file in /etc/rc.d/ does not result in automatic execution, like quasar said already [07:30] <[OpenSys]> ananke, none special reason, only because prioritry [07:30] priority of what? [07:30] then add the line that will execute the file in rc.M for example. But rc.local is the best choice as it will not been overwritten by a package upgrade [07:30] <[OpenSys]> services [07:30] <[OpenSys]> but rc.local do the job [07:30] appzer0: if he doesnt' want it in rc.local then chances are (and wise man would say) he shouldn't put it in rc.M [07:31] <[OpenSys]> i make the question only [07:31] <[OpenSys]> ;) [07:31] [OpenSys] : then you have to edit rc.S or rc.M, and like appzer0 said, those may get overwritten [07:31] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-225-85.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:31] <[OpenSys]> ananke, yes but i will not change it [07:32] [OpenSys] : i have no clue what you're talking about [07:32] yes, you may also add some lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysvinit [07:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [07:32] <[OpenSys]> ananke, edit rc.S or rc.M [07:32] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-47-226.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:33] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) left ##slackware. [07:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [07:34] y0 slackers..How's all? [07:34] just put it in rc.local so we dont have questions later about why the system isn't running [07:34] mornin MLanden [07:35] Mornin', Quasar [07:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:37] [OpenSys]: or, if you are the sysadmin and dont mind it being in cron, make a script to check and see if it's running.. if it isn't, run it.. [07:37] [OpenSys]: you can use SysV init scripts in Slackware if you want to (to do so, put S* and K* scripts in /etc/rc.d/rc.d/ directory) [07:37] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [07:37] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.134.16) joined ##slackware. [07:37] hi all [07:38] y0 chenfengyuan [07:38] <[OpenSys]> quasar, alienBOB, ok tanks [07:40] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [07:42] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:45] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87.196.87.165) joined ##slackware. [07:48] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-225-85.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:52] geno (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] nullify (i=n@75-135-90-136.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:14] rahul_ (i=1000@123.236.167.242) joined ##slackware. [08:15] hie guys i am still facing same problem of sluggish gui [08:16] rahul_: what gui and what are your specs? [08:16] kde ? [08:16] using slack 13 x64, stock kernel, turionx2 2ghz, 3gig ddr2 ram, nvidia 9100 graphics + 9600, kde is damn sluggish, now i am on xfce and it is still sluggish, with every update to the screen i can see a horizontal line which refreshes the screen [08:17] is so try upgrading to kde 4.3 its much nicer [08:17] rahul_: Did you install the nvidia drivers? [08:17] rahul_: driver? [08:17] xfce is running fine here [08:17] it does soun like the video driver [08:17] i am attempting to recompile te kernel now, tried nv, error i received was "no devices found", same error with nvidia proprietary driver [08:18] Well if neither works, and you are using the vesa driver, X is going to be quite slow. [08:18] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:18] The real problem, then, is that you can't get any accelerated driver working with yor video card. [08:18] rahul_: use slackbuils to install nvidia driver, then do nvidia-xconfig [08:18] And we'd need to see your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to determine why. [08:19] my ati r300 works nicly out of the box [08:19] how can i send u complete log file? [08:19] i used slack 12.2, worked great with kde 3.5 [08:19] rahul_: Use a service like http://pastebin.com/ but make sure it's the log file from when you are using the 'nv' or (even better) the 'nvidia' driver. [08:20] And, yeah, I'd follow john_dee's suggestion and use the slackbuild to install the nvidia driver. [08:22] nv log file uploaded http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m12cf3d75 [08:23] yup, works fine here on ~same specs. and the error you're getting is probably because there's no xorg.conf or it's messed up. u didn't install nvidia's driver using their installer, did you? otherwise, you'll have some fun removing them ^) [08:23] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Yeah, that just means that your GPU isn't supported by the open source drivers yet, so you'd have to use the closed source drivers. [08:24] nvidia log file uploaded to http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m1d0c7cd7 [08:26] now paste your xorg.conf [08:26] Yeah, please. [08:26] john_dee, since the new change in slack13, there was no xorg.conf by default, and x did not start, so i copied over xorg.conf-vesa, added my wxga resolutions and it worked, sluggishly [08:26] Arntsen (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [08:26] can you guys see the file at the link i sent? [08:26] And the output of 'lspci'? [08:27] well john_dee , i tried installing nvidia driver using the nvidia installer, is that a bad thing in sl13? [08:28] Arntsen (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] rahul_: you should have used slackbuilds to install it, bacause now you'll have to remove them by hand. anyway, try running "nvidia-xconfig" as root to see if it generates good xorg.conf [08:29] im realy loving slack builds :) [08:29] lspci output = http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d62241e56 [08:31] Hmmm... I wonder if the fact that there are two video cards is somehow screwing up the drivers detection. [08:31] i tried nvidia-xconfig and it failed [08:32] Hssian [08:32] D'oh... Wrong window. [08:32] rahul_: you upgraded from Slackware 12.2? [08:32] doesnt the nvidia installer have a way to uninstall the driver ? [08:32] sure [08:32] i seem to remember it did fut forget now [08:32] nvidia-installer --uninstall [08:32] as easy as that [08:33] i think it uninstalls the previous driver if you install a new [08:33] adamk, when i installed the os, during x configuration it said that there was a failure in config since the number of devices was not equal to the number of screens, so i had to reinstall the os and keep a crt plugged in to the aux vga out pin, [08:33] think it did that on my ubuntu [08:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] pprkut: o_O does it restore replaced files? [08:34] and yes for the nvidia installer, i could not get back to vesa, even if i copied over the xorg.conf file of vesa, i needed to do the nvidia-installer --uninstaller [08:34] john_dee: yes, it does. [08:35] if you can unistall the driver try the slackbuild [08:36] twinkie_addict, where do i get the slackbuild from, or what do i search for in GG [08:36] you don't need to use slackbuilds for nvidia's driver [08:36] slackbuilds.org [08:36] no he doesnt need too but it might help him [08:37] im not promicing any thing but its worth a try [08:37] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/ [08:37] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [08:37] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host158-108-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:37] or is the problem with the 2 display cards i have? [08:37] well, there are two adapters. i guess it can't decide which one to use [08:38] 2 nvidia video cards? [08:38] rahul_: is it sli or what? [08:38] dont know resolve the driver issue first i have 2 video cards one not in use i have no problems [08:38] You might have to use the BusID option to tell the driver which card to bind to. [08:39] john_dee, i am not sure about it being SLI, but this config worked fine in slack 12.2, bluewhite64 12.2, debian 5 [08:40] you should know if it's SLI [08:40] know your hardware yo [08:40] Action: quasar knows your hardware. [08:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] slack 13 does some things difrently im still relearning some things but i still think you should try the slack build you can set it to build the way you need to to be built [08:42] rahul_: well, first two use older version of xorg. still, i'd go with adamk's advice about BusID option in xorg.conf for nvidia driver [08:42] xorg doesn't need a xorg.conf anymore does it? [08:42] no [08:42] not in most cases anyway [08:42] In *most* cases, no. :-) [08:43] how do i add the bus id option and in which section, syntax? [08:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:44] It goes in the Device section. [08:44] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4D89.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] BusID "PCI:2:0:0" [08:45] I believe would be the 9100. [08:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host44-168-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:51] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [08:57] chenfeng` (n=user@59.111.134.16) joined ##slackware. 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[09:19] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.8) joined ##slackware. [09:20] It's funny, it simply replicates what I've already installed... [09:20] It's like, a failsafe package. [09:20] :) [09:20] it's used mainly for the install environment [09:20] Says Slackware documentation itself. [09:21] :) thrice`: I'm trying to create a super-minimal usable-desktop slack. [09:21] it's called aaa_ so that it's installed before anything else :> [09:21] :) [09:21] (Desktop being Openbox or DWM) [09:21] About the translation stuff, all the .po files - do I need them? I mean, I'm using US English - that's all Ill ever use? [09:22] so why do I need all the MESSAGE/*.po stuff [09:22] ? [09:22] It takes up a pretty huge chunk of space (at least, when you are tryin gto cut down :)) [09:22] (before anyone asks, Im doing this purely for fun and curiosity) [09:22] :) [09:22] (to familiarize myself with what pacakges do and bring waht :)) [09:22] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:22] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [09:22] it is a failsafe [09:22] no, you don't need the NLS stuff to run, but it'd be a littl messy removing it al lby hand [09:22] and, realistically, don't do much for you [09:24] there used to be an alternate library to build pidgin against rather than NLS but oh well [09:24] HHhhm. [09:24] thrice: It saves you considerable space :P [09:25] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] how much on your machine? [09:26] around 90 some megs. [09:28] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host50-37-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:29] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Anyone here managed to get the wine slackbuild for 13.0 to build on slackware64? [09:30] i wonder how much of xorg would have to be rebuilt so it would function without dbus & hal >? [09:31] probably not worth the effort, i will wait for Crux-2.6 [09:32] You'd definitely have to rebuild xorg-server, but that's probably it. [09:32] transplant (n=a@adsl141-56.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:33] adamk, you probably need multilib, i doubt you can builds against 64 bit libs. have you checked the wine site to see? [09:33] Pig_Pen: crux ships it without hal support. xorg-server is the only one you need to rebuild [09:33] mancha: Oh, you definitely need multilib. I know wine has to be a 32 bit binary. [09:34] And I have multilib installed. The slackbuild site specifically says that they don't support building on slackware64 with multilib, but that it might work :-) [09:34] iirc i read on some blog or other that wine startted their 64 bit port, not sure where in the dev process they are [09:35] elderK: have you thought of something like gentoo? [09:35] oh you mean the SBo site? i woud imagine its a matter of passing the -L flag and not much else [09:37] thrice`: gentoo used to be cool, back in the old times... [09:37] but gentoo blow snow. [09:37] :/ [09:37] what would happen if I removed all the NLS translatons (.po files), except for those assosciated with english? [09:38] Since I don't use any otehr language, none of them should be needed? [09:38] i'm just saying, gentoo would let you set -nls, among other un-wanted per-app attributes [09:39] rather than deleting system files that packages expect to be there [09:39] giuppy (n=giuppy@host158-108-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] well, aye, but why are they needed? They aren't ever consulted. [09:39] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Nick change: chenfeng` -> chenfengyuan [09:40] at least, afaik, unless you need localized languages? [09:40] there's one sure-fire way to find out, right? [09:40] nuke em! [09:40] :P [09:40] that's correct; but every time you install or upgrade a package, they will come back [09:40] and see what explodes. [09:40] :P [09:41] I build everything from source. [09:41] :) don't even use slackbuilds :) [09:42] so you build all from source, don't use bash slackbuilds scripts, and want to install only a very iminor subset of slack's default install. why not remove the mask and just do lfs? [09:42] ok, then why on earth wouldn't you use gentoo? [09:42] because Gentoo sucks, [09:42] That's why [09:42] : [09:42] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [09:42] :) [09:42] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:42] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Thanks, slackboy. ;) [09:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:43] right...so your completely ugly and un-accounted for system is cleaner than gentoo? [09:43] you also discuss what you do a lot more than do what you do, it seems :) [09:43] mancha, I do do. :) A lot of doing but a lot of waiting for compiles, too. [09:43] thrice`: no, but a system built from source, piece by piece, is. [09:43] perfected for a specific point. [09:43] ) [09:44] how do you upgrade your packages? [09:44] And again, remember, this is for fun. [09:44] by hand. [09:44] no, how specifically do you do it, make install on top of your old version? [09:44] no, shit no. [09:44] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [09:44] you do know there are *alot* of software that doesn't support "make uninstall" right? [09:45] I use a tar.gz format, personally, like Slackware does. I log all the files, that were installed - I keep track of my config files, too. [09:45] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] I remove the software entirely, then I install the new version. [09:45] reuse my configs if I can, or I update them. [09:45] ok, up to you of course :) I think gentoo is quite good at what it does [09:46] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [09:46] It /is/ good at what it does. [09:46] elderK: Why don't use Gentoo and portage O.o.... If you're into compiling everything [09:46] It's just, I don't really like the way it does it. [09:46] I don't really like portage and the like. [09:46] So what you can build from source, etc. Yay. It's not the building from source I enjoy, it's knowing precisely where X, Y and Z are - and why I need them or care. [09:46] portage -u World = All up to date (something similar anyways) [09:47] I used Portage for two years. [09:47] er, Gentoo. [09:47] I gave it a good shot. [09:47] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:47] and I loved it while it last. [09:47] :) [09:47] Besides, it's not like manual compilation is hard... [09:47] (depending on what you're building, of course, and how deep the dependency chain is) [09:47] :) [09:47] noo.. bu annoying (time-cunsuming) [09:48] I'm considering figuring out how to build a system in chroot, piece by piece, from scratch... that would be fun. [09:49] And as far as I understand LFS, you don't wind up with your own distribution, really, you wind up with a built LFS. [09:49] Action: elderK shrug [09:49] I did the LFS-thingy a few month back.. I learned alot [09:49] :) Was it fun [09:49] ? [09:50] giuppy (n=giuppy@host132-163-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:50] welll.. yes and no.. I learned alot and gave me a few brain-teasers but I got it working.. I was pain in the behind toing the dependencies for some parts.. [09:50] worth doing for someone who is keen on creating a personal distribution? [09:50] Action: linXea talking on the phone and types at the same time.. [09:50] Action: elderK nods [09:51] oahong` (n=user@218.22.80.150) joined ##slackware. [09:51] elderK: definatly... But seriously.. many of the things you do (80%) you do in a stage three gentoo install [09:51] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:51] IMO [09:52] indeed [09:52] well, aye. [09:52] the bootstrapping is just long and boring :) [09:52] thrice`: you got that right [09:52] but that being said, if gentoo's base is built with NLS - then the system is NLSified, no? [09:52] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:52] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) joined ##slackware. [09:52] There's always BSD, too. [09:53] seems a fair percentage of 20% for installing and tweaking..with some it's more..others less [09:53] elderK: yeah, but when you run your first world update, it accounts for your -nls and kills nls stuff [09:53] Im too stupid for freeBSD :p [09:53] hello [09:53] BSD isnt really THAT hugely different [09:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Yo, GATT [09:53] I can't stand VI... I know.. silly but it's not my thing [09:54] Oh, I love Vi. [09:54] ;) [09:54] lol [09:54] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [09:55] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.84.193.110) joined ##slackware. [09:55] hey; how can i acces from windows my ext3 partition ? [09:55] ext2 ifs [09:55] should work okay [09:55] I think there is an ext3 driver for windows somewhere [09:55] if you cleanly umount ext3 [09:56] user51 (n=her@117.200.50.237) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i think itryed ext2 ifs too; i can not: i get an eror ( in win) [09:57] "do u want to format ..."? [09:57] google for ext3 ifs then [09:57] :P [09:57] do Slackware 13 have ext4 partition format ? [09:57] u said something about cleanly umount ext3 [09:58] how? [09:58] unmount it [09:58] cleanly. [09:58] :P [09:58] fsck, make sure there are no errors. [09:58] etc... [09:58] ext3 is compatible with ext2, in that it is readable by ext2 drivers... provided certain features are disabled. [09:58] I cant remember which features [09:59] Slackware 13 have ext4 partition format ? ?? :-? ?? [09:59] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.30) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] user51, yes [09:59] yep. [10:00] okay , i m gonna install 13 tomorrow :P [10:00] MONDAY MONDAY MONDAY ! [10:00] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [10:00] one more problem : how can i run "fsck.ext3 /dev/hda2" if hda2 is my root partition ? [10:00] and reformat all partitions [10:00] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] dorin_ro: you don't run it while it's mounted [10:01] so;it is a good ideea to boot a cd linux [10:02] or you can shutdown -F now [10:02] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host50-37-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [10:02] that'll run fsck on the reboot [10:02] maybe shutdown -F -r now [10:03] this command will force fsck to run? [10:03] on the reboot, yes [10:03] k [10:03] tnx [10:03] bb [10:03] is the use of slapt-get considered "ok" or is using sbo better? [10:04] i just got a hankering to watch _Hello, Dolly_ [10:04] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.84.193.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] btw, linXea, afaik, Linux simply executes init when it's all up. [10:04] riddlebox: sbo? [10:04] and init is what handles everything else... mounting, etc... [10:04] I assume sbo means slackbuilds.org [10:04] yea, there's nothing special about init except who calls first [10:05] I see no relationship between slapt-get and slackbuilds.org ... [10:05] alienBob, http://slackbuilds.org/ [10:05] Quiznos: hear ya...Barbara Streisand,I'm getting veklempt..talk amongst yourself..lol [10:05] riddlebox: there's nothing inherently wrong with slapt-get, but slackpkg and slackbuilds are the more canonical approach [10:05] MLanden yea her; what's her squeeze's actor name? [10:05] i blank on it [10:06] in the mvi [10:06] where is default "gtk" icons are located ? i checked "/usr/share/icons" but there are no "gtk" ( gtk icons of default themes ) [10:06] I see [10:06] MLanden original odd couple [10:06] klugman a/o randall? [10:06] before them [10:06] from the movie [10:06] jack lemon and ... [10:07] seriously blanking here [10:07] matthau (sp.) [10:07] first? [10:07] wow not even ringing a bell [10:07] walter matthau!!! [10:07] that's him [10:08] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:09] he was good in the original Bad News Bears [10:09] oh yea :) [10:09] with Tatum [10:10] strange thing,if one was into retro labelling on beers..that's a good movie for source..lol [10:10] lol [10:11] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [10:12] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.218.13) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:13] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28A47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [10:13] Taters 0'Neil [10:14] heh [10:14] underscores (n=undersco@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] underscores (n=undersco@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [10:15] Roin (n=fabian@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Hi [10:16] hi [10:16] :P [10:16] hello [10:16] alphad64_ (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [10:16] does anyone know of a good micro blogging client? I used gwibber in ubuntu but I am having a hard time finding the source [10:16] spectre (n=kyle@41.210.128.21) joined ##slackware. [10:17] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-217.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] please I need some help, I want to connect to my WPA encrypted network and tried this one wiki which explains how to use wpa_supplicant but it simply doesnt work (>.<). I even tried WICD but that one doesnt show my wifi network as well (it always worked on my Linux Mint machine with WICD btw) [10:17] Can anyone help me please? [10:17] Roin, what kind of card is it [10:17] http://live.gnome.org/Gwibber [10:18] Roin: sure; first, can you run "grep netdev /etc/group" and paste the results here? [10:18] riddlebox: cloud blogging to services like wordpress? [10:18] riddlebox: it is a SMC WUSB (a USB WiFi Device) [10:18] MLanden, like identi.ca, twitter [10:18] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [10:18] thrice`: sec will have to run to my machine (I'm on my bros comp) and write it down one sec [10:18] Roin, do you need to install a certain firmware, open a terminal and type dmesg and see what it tells you [10:19] sure, the point is to see if you're in the netdev group, to make sure you can use wicd at all [10:19] thrice`, wicd would throw a privilege error(I know from experience) [10:20] fErnando|w (i=960103@189.83.75.102) joined ##slackware. [10:20] yes, good point :( [10:20] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) joined ##slackware. [10:21] thrice`: Ehm ok grep netdev /etc/group gave me: netdev:x:86:root [10:21] riddlebox: Your command gave a bit to much output ._. [10:21] where "lilo Slackware wallpaper" ( boot menu wallpaper) located ? [10:21] ok, so you need to be in the plugdev group for wicd to work [10:21] user51: /boot [10:21] Roin: but, what type of card do you have ? [10:21] thrice`: I'm logged in as root [10:21] ok [10:22] thrice`: SMC WUSB [10:22] Roin, unplug it, then plug it in, and then run dmesg and see what the last few lines say [10:22] thrice`: thats a USB WiFi device ^ [10:22] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:22] riddlebox: charm's a livejournal client that may be some use [10:23] you're right, they really do obfuscate the gwibber source files [10:23] gwibber is probably tied quite heavily into gnome stuff [10:23] are you on kde4 riddlebox ? [10:23] thrice`, there is no wallpaper there [10:24] user51: the lilo boot is /boot/slack.bmp or so [10:24] cat /var/log/packages/lilo-22.8* to see what it installs - that's where it originates from [10:24] that is a transparent one i want one with slackware logo [10:25] black background and white font [10:25] riddlebox: one sec I can give you the complete output now [10:25] user51: that does have the slackware logo! some stuff is spelled out in /etc/lilo.conf too :) [10:26] riddlebox: http://pastebin.com/m176df9e2 [10:26] here [10:26] :( [10:26] wow, getting gwibber's source is harder than solving the riemann hypothesis [10:27] I thought udev would load the correct driver, my WiFi device works out of the box since I started using Linux (With Linux Mint 4) [10:29] srry :( [10:29] ok; so i think have fully gone back to 12.2; time to test [10:30] omgomgomg kde35 is starting!!! SUCCEESSEESSFFKJJKAALKADDSALKJSDFLKASDFJ;ALSKJ [10:30] YAY [10:31] Action: TwinReverb toasts Quiznos [10:31] congrats,Quiznos [10:31] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] re; yay!!! [10:31] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [10:31] riddlebox, ok, this is as good as i can find for you without added work: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-committers/gwibber/gwibber-1.2/files [10:31] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [10:32] Nick change: alphad64_ -> alphad64 [10:33] mancha, I have been digging too, I will check it out thanks, I guess I can try to get it working and maybe contribute to sbo [10:33] thrice`, yea gt that , that image type is shown transparent in Gqview and works fine in gimp , thanks :) [10:34] Action: Roin is completely lost [10:34] one sec rob0 [10:34] Roin, [10:34] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.218.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:34] ok [10:35] seems you might only need gconf [10:35] so it might not be very bad. gconf is gnome's answerto MSFT's registry though so be sure you want it :) [10:37] gconf is GNUs answer to registry, not ms [10:37] oops, meant, not gnome's [10:37] how do i deactivate xchat's beeping? [10:37] by using irssi? ;) [10:37] and flashing [10:37] Roin, does wicd see any wifi? [10:38] riddlebox: yes, I think its my neighbours one not sure [10:38] but you cannot see yours? [10:38] riddlebox: yup [10:39] riddlebox: it shows one which could be mie, but instead of the networkname it shows: [10:39] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Bah! kernel just murdered me"). [10:39] no, gnu does not develop gconf [10:39] So it might noz br mine after all [10:39] not* [10:39] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [10:40] riddlebox: Thast the problem, I thought at least WICD would work, can it be that my changes on /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf could be my problem? [10:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] what changes did you make? [10:41] riddlebox: well I've told it to use wpa_supplicant for wlan0 [10:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] riddlebox: and set in a Netmask and an IP Address [10:41] Roin, you can change it back and see if wicd likes it better [10:41] riddlebox: even tried it with setti ng it to dhcp but I dont even know if my router supports dhcp... [10:42] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i036042.gprs.dnafinland.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:42] i'd be surprised if a router didn't have a dhcp server incorporated [10:42] riddlebox: will try and wpa_supplicant.conf as well? [10:42] yeah me too [10:42] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] Jullyend (n=jullyend@201-41-199-97.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:42] yeah, what you can do is load the linux mint cd, (its a livecd right) and then look at those files and see whats different [10:44] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.134.16) left irc: "good night!" [10:44] riddlebox: hm... ok [10:44] riddlebox: so I grep myself a LM CD and come back one sec [10:45] hopefully it is a livecd [10:45] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.10) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:52] john_dee (n=id@93-81-116-199.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Guys, kernel-headers - aren't they jsut the same headerfiles in /usr/src/linux/include/ [10:52] ? [10:53] no [10:53] cat /var/log/packages/linux-headers* [10:53] How do they differ [10:53] an dI have [10:53] oh wait, you're too cool for packages [10:53] eh [10:53] har har [10:54] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [10:54] The only difference is, they are at /usr/include, rather than /usr/src/linux/include [10:54] and it's only a subset of thsoe included with the kernel. [10:54] if you are someone who compiles EVERYTHING from source, and you don't know what headers are, then you're "doingitwrong" [10:54] apart from that, what's the differencE? [10:54] ... I knwo what headers are. [10:54] I'm simply asking if there is any difference between "kernel-headers" and those that come with the kernel itself. [10:54] but since you want to be an ass, fine, i'll diff them all. [10:54] :) [10:54] we'll soon see. [10:55] kernel headers are installed, and the toolchain builds agains them [10:55] yes, they are installed - but they are only a subset of the headers ,that come with the kernel itself. [10:55] if you update your headers in /usr/include, you should recompile your tooclhain too [10:55] Roin|MintLive (n=mint@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] a subset? [10:55] riddlebox: ok on Live CD now [10:55] the kernel-headers, yes. [10:56] with the exception of GLX headers from mesa, they are complete [10:56] compared to all of those in the linux source. asm-x86, asm-generic, linux, mpd are used by slackware (in kernel-headers package) [10:56] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.16.248) left irc: "Leaving." [10:56] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: "leaving" [10:56] (oh, and drm) [10:56] riddlebox: what now? [10:56] ok, my advise is: keep the kernel-headers packages, and don't ever install those from a newer kernel [10:57] compare various subdirs in /usr/include/ and /usr/src/linux/include [10:57] I'm not asking because I want to upgrade, I'm asking because I'm cross compiling some shit now. [10:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Roin|MintLive, and the usb wireless is working fine, you will have to look at the files you were changing while ago and see what your changes should be [10:57] and on which toolchain are you doing that elderK ? [10:57] :) freestanding toolchain :) [10:57] riddlebox: but /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf doesnt exist on any other Distro but slackware afaik [10:57] then why are you asking in ##slackware ? [10:57] :P Man, seriously. I don't get why you are giving me so much attitude. [10:58] I don't see what I've done to piss you off so much. [10:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [10:58] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: Client Quit [10:58] you haven't done anything, but your questions don't belong here. you've admitted to not using slackware, not using its packages, and compiling everything yourself, from source, and not packaging anything [10:58] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Roin, wpa_supplicant.conf [10:58] sounds like a recipe for a mess [10:59] I use Slackware, just so you know. [10:59] riddlebox: alright [10:59] My original point was : I want to minimize Slackware as much as possible. [10:59] :) [10:59] you're using nothing remotely close to slackware [10:59] Action: elderK shrugs [10:59] :) [11:00] riddlebox: uhm thats strange but: there is no wpa_supplicant.conf o_o [11:00] hrmm [11:00] probably because you're using network manager, which will make its own temp wpa_supplicant.conf [11:01] thrice`: could be I dont know [11:01] "ps aux" will probably show you :) [11:01] Roin (n=fabian@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [11:02] theblackbox: on the LiveCD? [11:02] underscores (n=undersco@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] I'm lost, I simply dont know at which step of the configuration I made the mistake :( [11:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] it's possible that your card needs a firmware, which slackware doesn't provide, and linux mint does [11:04] i'm bored [11:04] hm... riddlebox do you still have the link of dmesg's output? [11:05] heyya Roin|MintLive ... could almost guess I'd find you here [11:05] Roin|MintLive, http://pastebin.com/m176df9e2 [11:05] Hi linXea ^^' [11:06] riddlebox: thanks [11:06] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i036042.gprs.dnafinland.fi) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] thrice`: # [11:07] usb 1-2: firmware: requesting zd1211/zd1211b_ub [11:07] # [11:07] Channel flood from Roin|MintLive -- kicking [11:07] usb 1-2: firmware: requesting zd1211/zd1211b_uphr [11:07] # [11:07] Roin|MintLive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:07] lol [11:07] oi [11:07] Roin|MintLive (n=mint@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] your flood protection beat me ._. [11:07] Roin|MintLive: pastebin.slackadelic.com [11:07] Roin|MintLive: I think I told you about that =) [11:07] Roin|MintLive: your stupidity beat you [11:07] spook: maybe [11:09] seems you need the zd1211 fw [11:09] KyNs (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] who makes that btw? [11:09] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) joined ##slackware. [11:09] mancha: many people use that chipset [11:09] ok [11:10] but how to get it? isnt it already in Slackware? [11:10] no because its not opensource [11:10] not who uses, who makes, makes, makes [11:10] uhm [11:11] spook: huh? [11:11] it is indeed in slackware [11:11] o rly [11:11] sure, did you even look? [11:11] but did he install it? [11:11] It is in Slackware [11:11] I made a full install [11:11] irrelavant to your bad advise [11:11] thrice`: i took a guess :P [11:11] mancha: zydas [11:12] before you send newbies on a goose chase, perhaps you should actually look into things [11:12] thrice`: yeah probally [11:12] rare lapse in judgement [11:12] Roin|MintLive: that's good - it means that if you did a full slackware 13 install (or, at least the n/ series), the kernel should have the ability to use the card [11:12] theblackbox: yes I've simply installed everything ^^' [11:13] MLanden, thanks. [11:13] wah [11:13] theblackbox: sorry [11:13] thrice`: * [11:13] :) [11:13] mancha: np...now with atheros.. http://www.atheros.com/news/ZyDAS.html [11:13] anyway, afk for a bit [11:14] hm... [11:14] muahaha now that thrice` is gone i can send newbies on goose chases [11:14] spook: you shouldnt do that... [11:15] sense of humour much [11:15] heh [11:15] ah, bought by atheros, thats good news indeed [11:15] I'm some sort of frustrated because I followed the steps in the wiki and just cant find out what I did, where wrong :( [11:16] grats. [11:16] mancha: well,they were in 2006...now,your guess is as good as mine..:D [11:19] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [11:20] eshepard (n=eshepard@ip68-111-115-62.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] i know this isn't a slackware question, but does anyone know how to get the menubar back on GwenView after it has been hidden? [11:21] lol [11:21] KyNs (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] eshepard: ctrl-M ? [11:22] HA!! Thank yo BP{k}! [11:23] brb hopefully [11:23] still getting used to KDE [11:23] (which is pretty much the global short cut in KDE for "show/hide menu bar) ;) [11:23] Roin|MintLive (n=mint@p5B2BEB7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:23] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) joined ##slackware. [11:23] i've used Gnome for so long because I didn't like KDE 3. KDE4 is impressive though [11:24] whats the shortcut for hide KDE (permanently) :) [11:24] mancha: xwmconfig ;) [11:24] BP{k}: that'll do it...:D [11:25] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.229.116) joined ##slackware. [11:26] moon was full. [11:27] what's the x conf opt name for moose wheel? [11:27] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.229.116) left irc: Client Quit [11:28] MLanden ty [11:28] Quiznos: for what? [11:28] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [11:28] moose wheel [11:28] heh [11:28] i know it's 4567; but what's the keywrd [11:28] moose wheel, i guess is is a mouse that is as big as a moose [11:28] i hate moose [11:29] they dont diserve a loop in name; let alone a double loop [11:29] IT'S MY DELUSION AND I'LL USE IT IF I WANT! [11:29] heh [11:29] Action: MLanden remembers that he tells knock knock jokes and drops ping pong balls on your head..:( [11:29] zoztr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] http://pastebin.com/d8c8eff5 Quiznos [11:29] pff [11:29] i'm not webing for a word :) [11:30] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [11:32] Action: MLanden also remembers he might be in the vicinity hanging out with a squirrel being chased by some guy named Boris [11:32] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:33] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.229.116) joined ##slackware. [11:33] bullwinkle [11:33] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] that's him,Pig_Pen..:D [11:34] hello happy slackers [11:34] hello,LnxSlck [11:34] hello mlanden [11:34] i always wanted a pet squirrel that wears an aviators leather skull cap & goggles [11:35] lol [11:35] lol,Pig_Pen....one that talks in squeeky voice? [11:36] "now heres something we hope you really like" [11:36] name him Rocky [11:37] lol,Pig_Pen...remember when they used them as mascot for Taco Bell...burgers are boring [11:37] i guess i missed that ad [11:38] thinks it might have been used for a summer..like a tie-in to one of the ill-fated movies with them in it [11:38] JRosy (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:39] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.165) joined ##slackware. [11:40] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [11:40] user51 (n=her@117.200.50.237) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:42] Pig_Pen: had to google it http://www.indyarocks.com/videos/Rocky-Bullwinkle-Taco-Bell-130375 [11:42] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) joined ##slackware. [11:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [11:44] nope, never seen that one [11:44] may have also been a regional promo as well [11:46] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8C4B0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] could be, i do not watch television very much, and tend to mute the commercials and/or get up to stretch my legs during commercial breaks, (i find advertising very annoying) [11:47] adeodatu2 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:47] ditto, I can't believe people pay for cable :) [11:49] i have a bundle of, basic cable, broadband internet and telephone, wife likes the TV, i like the broadband and telephone (i got to tell AT&T to go to hell) [11:50] if not for the wife i would cancel the TV part of that package and just get internet and telephone [11:50] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i036042.gprs.dnafinland.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:50] what seems archaic with cable channels is heavily editing programs like broadcast television [11:50] it's just strange that you pay for the service, and yet they are still allowed to broadcast 40% advertisements to you [11:51] I've got DSL and satellite TV with a HD set. My wife likes the TV and I like broadband. I live in a geographically isolated community so having good entertainment is a must. [11:52] What's the last webkitgtk that compiles on slack13? I tried with 1.1.13 and .12 and they both need newer system libs [11:52] NicePics13: probably 1.1.10 [11:52] hitest: Is canadian programming edited as much as american? [11:53] MLanden: yeah, unless you go for pay for view like HBO, etc. [11:53] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:54] boobs cost extra [11:54] lol [11:54] Any one using Midori as their browser? [11:54] lol [11:54] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [11:55] anyone on kernel 2.6.31-rc* with the nvidia driver? [11:55] nope, i use firefox, or seamonkey if i want plugins to be stable, and sometimes lynx or links [11:55] NicePics13: nope but ask your question anyway [11:56] Just problems with webkit - looks like I must use an older release, too old for latest Midori it seems [11:57] Camarade_Tux: what about nvidia+2.6.31? [11:57] Bleeding edge crap [11:57] Pig_Pen: reminds of that scene in Porky's..."No dipshit,it'll cost two bucks to see 'em" [11:57] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] appzer0: I want to know if I can upgrade my kernel and test the profiling tools in 2.6.31 :) [11:58] (if nobody uses that combination, I'll upgrade anyway ;p ) [11:58] NicePics13: trust me, *ask* [11:58] yeah go on :) and tell me after that :p [11:59] appzer0: ^^ [11:59] does anyone use linux-next? [11:59] :] [11:59] sahko: not here, only linux-2.6 git [12:00] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] wtf is it? i just saw it on kernel.org [12:00] what is linux-next [12:00] ah, ok, nevermind [12:00] I'm not going to upgrade glib just for a browser so there really is no question anymore [12:00] Pig_Pen: ^^ [12:00] sahko: it's quite experimental ;) [12:00] NicePics13: right, don't [12:00] thanks [12:01] NicePics13: The webkit available on slackbuilds.org is new enough to compile on Slack 13 and use with the latest Midori [12:01] NicePics13: I did in another prefix but something still managed to escape and now I have tons of warnings when running gtk apps :) [12:01] neonflux: that's not the problem: new versions need a bleeding-edge glib [12:01] actually I think the latest stable webkit requires an unstable glib [12:01] slackware's gtk stack is always quite old, sadly [12:02] (through the need of a bleeding-edge libsoup) [12:02] Arora then [12:02] thrice`: here there is no stable glib release that is recent enough [12:02] arora is broken in slackware's qt4 [12:02] it'll be glib 2.18 [12:02] slack, at leady default slack, is not your best choice if you're after bleeding edge stuff, i would imagine [12:02] damn [12:03] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.82.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] Camarade_Tux: yes, I mean generally, slackware generally ships a major release of glib/gtk behind what is stable (eg, 2.14 vs. 2.16, 2.18 vs. 2.20) [12:03] kernel.org has started showing the latest three 2.6.xx builds on the front page, 2.6.27.31 & 2.6.28.10 too [12:03] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] mancha: well, it's ok but here the problem is more the gtk/gnome development model: you need *everything* to be less than a week old [12:03] KyNs (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap ..... :)" [12:03] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [12:04] thrice`: yeah (and I think that's better this way) [12:04] why? I've hit a couple apps that demand 2.16 already [12:04] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [12:04] for me glib/gtk moves to quickly, it's a bit of a mess [12:04] s/for me/imho/ [12:05] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) joined ##slackware. [12:05] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:05] er, there's a new release for each gnome version, so every 6 months or so. that's not so terrible [12:05] besides Slackware i cant think of anything that isnt today [12:06] and webkit has to work with gtk 2.12 I think, it has to be compatible with older versions [12:06] so requiring a very recent glib is quite odd [12:06] btw, found Voltron episodes [12:06] And wasn't Midori supposed to be a Xfce project? Still it needs a few gnomelibs [12:06] rock on,Quiznos [12:06] heh; i miss webtv [12:06] NicePics13: nope [12:06] i'm not sure but is _according to jim_ signed off yet? [12:06] it runs on windows too [12:06] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [12:07] Hello! [12:07] thrice`: I didn't meant it moved too quickly for a version point-of-view but from an api one [12:07] eek danger seeker Smith [12:07] y0 dangerseeker [12:07] Has a [12:07] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:07] .... [12:07] sorry... [12:08] Clean up on Aisle 4...:D [12:08] Camarade_Tux: ah, ok. well, webkit is a bit different, since it's still moving very fast :) I can understand that the latest will depend on very new features [12:09] thrice`: yeah, exactly the only thing is that [12:09] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [12:09] IT IS BLOODY ANNOYING [12:10] when packages like webkit move so fast i just ignore them until they slow down and stabilize to a more mature development method, i hate building a new package once a week, a treadmill i refuse to walk on [12:10] Is anyone having networking trouble in Slackware 13.0? [12:10] Pig_Pen: I'm developing a bit on webkit and with webkit so I can't ignore it [12:11] dangerseeker: be a bit more specific ;) [12:11] dangerseeker, nope [12:11] Slack13 is shutting down my NIC so hard only it (and Windows...) can activate it again. 8-( [12:12] Are there problems with kernel 2.6.29 and nforce onboard NICs? [12:12] dangerseeker: which nic? [12:12] nforce, eww [12:12] dangerseeker: does dmesg say anything? [12:13] pprkut: still no touchpad problem btw :P [12:13] hahaha [12:13] still haven't tried :/ [12:14] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i036042.gprs.dnafinland.fi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:14] since I've added serio.debug, it hasn't failed once, I'm sure it doesn't want to be diagnosed ;p [12:14] dangerseeker: not particularly; there is a 2.6.30 generic in testing/ that works well, if you want to try updating [12:14] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) left irc: No route to host [12:15] Camarade_Tux, Networking works IN Slack13 but at shutdown the NIC is killed. Slack12.2 and Debian Lenny can't activate it again. (And netbooting would not work either.) [12:16] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.65.50) joined ##slackware. [12:16] thrice`, I am not sure if it is a Kernel problem. I'm just guessing at this moment. [12:16] dangerseeker: 'can you /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart' and then check dmesg ? [12:17] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [12:18] Camarade_Tux, rebooting, but what should I look for? [12:18] hi all, i installed slackware 13 a while ago but i'm not able to boot from debian's grub [12:18] i'm getting file not found error [12:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430602.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] can't get it working with ethtool? [12:19] dangerseeker: error messages :P [12:19] dangerseeker: you can use a pastebin to show it to us too [12:20] saivin: so you didn't install lilo when installing slackware? [12:21] camarade: i did. i installed it on root. but its my general practice to boot from debian's grub [12:21] i even installed 2.6.29 from debian backport to get support for ext4. :-( [12:22] where should i paste my menu.lst(or any other) so it may help you see my problem [12:22] Camarade_Tux, Well, Networking DOES work within Slack13.0 but when I shut it down the NIC is out for good. Slack13 CAN reactivate it, but not Slack12.2 (my main system at this time) nor Debian Lenny. [12:22] we understood the first 5 times you said it :) [12:23] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:23] did it ever work under 12.2? [12:23] actually I didn't :D [12:23] Action: Camarade_Tux needs eyes :P [12:23] dangerseeker: then pastebin the dmesg for slack 12.2? [12:24] saivin: you installed lilo and now you want to boot on grub? or you didn't installed lilo on the mbr? [12:24] saivin: pastebin.slackadelic.com [12:24] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Ok, Just booted slack13 (I hate slowly failing hardware). [12:25] Now will go back to slack12.2 [12:25] did it ever workd under 12.2? [12:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] here ya go,Camarade_Tux (*) (ř) ... just patched 'em for proper use...:D [12:27] camarade: I installed on root partition of slack. but mine is multiboot with debian's grub [12:27] will paste menu.lst [12:27] Sure it did. And it still is. Just not after slackware 13 was shut down and the NIC went dark. [12:27] you can chainload lilo on slack boot sector from the grub on mbr, presumably right? [12:27] though grub should just be able to boot directly [12:28] unless it's on ext4 maybe, [12:28] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ADhERf49.html [12:29] i did not use initrd line. is that compulsary? [12:29] danger, is there some aggressive power saving mode that the card can be put into? i.e. what survives a hard reboot on your card? [12:29] dangerseeker: I think the output of dmesg for both installations will be nice (when you '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 reload' on slack13 and when you try to bring the interface up on 12.2 after slack13 (and maybe after windows too) [12:29] saivin: no, not for that one [12:30] what could be problem? [12:30] Action: Camarade_Tux not using grub anymore [12:31] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] or it doesn't like the symbolic link? [12:31] try /boot/vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.6 (or something like that) [12:31] i even tried giving full name. the sym link is for hugesmp [12:31] you can also try (hd0,6)/boot/vmlinuz... [12:32] saivin: hugesmp doesn't need an initrd, others do [12:32] stick with hugesmp until you boot properly [12:32] saivin: line 22 needs to be commented out [12:32] oops... thats the problem? [12:32] saivin: hahaha, good catch :P [12:32] i dont know. maybe [12:33] Action: Camarade_Tux couldn't live without syntax-highlighting [12:33] JRosy (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] lol [12:33] :-D will try that and hope next time will catch on slack... 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[12:50] atomsk88 (n=chris@cpe-98-28-20-126.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:50] still crap [12:50] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [12:51] atmk (n=chris@cpe-98-28-20-126.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] anyway, it should already be using fbdev or fbdev2 [12:52] but try that: mplayer -vo fbdev file [12:52] SkyNet_ONE (n=Ederson@201-92-215-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] tryied [12:53] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [12:53] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.92.82) joined ##slackware. [12:53] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.65.50) joined ##slackware. [12:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:54] i can still watch a film [12:54] hi camarade/sahko, still no luck. it was not 'comment' issue then [12:55] is it that debian's grub is not able to read ext4 partition? [12:55] should i try rootnoverify? [12:55] grub cannot read ext4 without patching; some distributions don't apply the patch, as it's ugly [12:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [12:56] there's a chance debian does not either [12:56] patch for grub? coz i installed 2.6.29 from backports [12:56] I have never seen debian pass up an ugly patch. :P [12:57] XGizzmo: ^^ [12:57] yes, grub needs patching if your kernel is on ext4 (eg, /boot) [12:57] XGizzmo, ?? [12:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] what do you mean? [12:57] pass up an ugly patch? [12:57] nachox: I am just being silly. [12:58] debian is on ext3, installed .29 kernel from backports so it reads slack partition [12:58] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:58] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] saivin: ok, if slack has its kernel and /boot on ext4, debian's grub probably can't read it [12:59] giuppy (n=giuppy@host132-163-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:59] XGizzmo, oh, come on, they do great things when they patch stuff! for example last year they jeopardized god knows how many credit card numbers with their stupid openssl patching policy [12:59] oahong`` (n=user@61.152.248.17) joined ##slackware. [12:59] :P [12:59] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [12:59] hehe [13:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host132-163-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] they certainly do have a distinct quality about their patching system.. [13:03] Action: winter needs another gpu [13:03] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.65.50) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:03] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-8-249.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:04] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.86.89) joined ##slackware. [13:04] JRosy (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] did they even have a reason to do that? like.. was it not optimized enough for them and they decided to make it faster or something? [13:07] Camarade_Tux, first: dmesg from slackware 13.0: http://dangerseeker.pastebin.com/d4d89afc8 [13:07] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Camarade_Tux, second: dmesg from slackware 12.2 after rebooted the machine: http://dangerseeker.pastebin.com/d2d896d73 [13:08] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.86.89) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] dangerseeker: i've got enought of my own problems [13:09] Camarade_Tux, third, dmesg of slackware 12.2 after NIC is restored: http://dangerseeker.pastebin.com/d32c9a7fa [13:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:10] winter, everyone has his package to carry. ;-) but Camarade_Tux asked for this information in order to possibly help me. Thank you. [13:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:11] Nick change: oahong`` -> oahong [13:14] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:15] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:16] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.92.82) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] julioc (i=1000@189.111.10.157) joined ##slackware. [13:19] that has to be one of the longest dmesg files i ever seen [13:19] sorry [13:20] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] why? its just a text file [13:20] hopefully gvimdiff helps :) [13:21] because it costs the reader time and effort. And lifetime is a limited resource. ;-) [13:23] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-52-140.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] don't worry, if I weren't doing that, I'd revolutionize windows [13:23] http://pastebin.com/d7275804 heres mine, it is about half that size [13:23] Pig_Pen: default kernel? (hugesmp?) [13:23] let's not compare sizes... ;-) [13:24] nope, i built that one custom with my own .config [13:24] from kernel log: [13:24] Not owning an nforce2 is a sign of good taste, not an error. [13:25] bbiaf, i got to go pick up a pizza [13:25] Pig_Pen: he's using hugesmp afaict ;p [13:25] piiiizzzzzaaaaaaa! [13:26] tooly (n=tooly@e178157220.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:26] I admit I am lazy and don't compile my own kernel if I don't need to. [13:26] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-140.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Action: drijen waves at Alan_Hicks [13:30] Action: hitest is heading out for a walk...be back later:) [13:30] Camarade_Tux, the only difference I see in the slack12.2 boot messages is that there is no link on eth0 the first time... [13:31] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] you have a /var/log/message? [13:31] messages [13:32] atmk (n=chris@cpe-98-28-20-126.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:32] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:33] sky_1 (n=user@unaffiliated/sky-1/x-6937507) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I hope so. Which one would you like? [13:33] Camarade_Tux, but I think the problem lies with slackware 13 and the 2.6.29 kernel. [13:33] Z_Man (n=Z_Man@24.164.84.136) joined ##slackware. [13:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.24) joined ##slackware. [13:34] http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9ht8q/slackware_is_giving_away_free_copies_of_linux_vi/ [13:34] win [13:34] dmesg has shown nothing [13:34] aceofspades19: :) [13:34] nice [13:34] how hard installation does Slackware have ? [13:34] Action: Z_Man loves reddit [13:34] dangerseeker: the non-working one (first) [13:34] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:35] I'm having trouble running Slackware under the latest VirtualBox v3.0.4...what network driver should I use? eth0 doesnt show up...anyone know? [13:35] err. [13:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Camarade_Tux,the nic is not working correctly anymore since I installed slack13... [13:36] kernel .31 with the BSF scheduler patch set look like just the thing to play with :-D [13:36] omgomgomg found the odd couple on the Tube!!! [13:36] ... at least for a desktop fanboi like me :P [13:36] what virutal network card should i use? I tried Intel PRO 1000 and slackware seems to pick it up during boot but no eth0 [13:36] 8039too [13:36] the realtek card [13:38] dangerseeker: I don't know what /var/log/messages has but it's maybe the only place to have any kind of infos [13:38] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.86.89) joined ##slackware. [13:38] ip-route (n=iproute@unaffiliated/contraventor) joined ##slackware. [13:38] ip-route (n=iproute@unaffiliated/contraventor) left ##slackware. [13:39] sky_1: depends on your knowledge: needs to partition by yourself and that's basically the only difficulty [13:39] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] anyone here using slack13 x86-64 in virtualbox? [13:40] Camarade_Tux: all is command line ? ;) [13:41] hi, Camarade/Thrice... thanks for ur help. am on slack now. installed lilo. able to boot into all distros including ofcourse slack... [13:42] had issues with X, hanging at 'Tips...' in Xfce. Thats regular for me. adjusted xorg.conf a bit. now ok [13:42] thanks again... [13:42] is anyone up to another bout with wireless? There is not a clear post on linuxquestions.org - maybe we can fix that too [13:42] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.86.89) left ##slackware. [13:44] Camarade_Tux, the whole thing (from boot to shutdown)? [13:44] sky_1: nope [13:44] dangerseeker: I don't have a /var/log/messages here, if you could get only the moment that fails :P [13:44] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:44] (or '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart' and see what has been appended) [13:45] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-99-184-95-109.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:47] Camarade_Tux, well, I'm not sure if calling it "fail" is correct. Slackware 13 shuts the NIC down, even a hardware reset or (soft) PowerDown can't revive it. The failure has happend long before. [13:47] no, when it fails in 12.2 [13:48] fails to get up [13:48] [ in bed ] [13:48] actually, is the interface even up [13:48] ? [13:48] BP{k}: up in bed, hmmmm [13:48] But the link is down when it sould not be. [13:48] dangerseeker: and what does 'ifconfig eth0 up' returns/says/outputs [13:48] ? [13:48] Camarade_Tux: keep your filthy thoughts to yourself .. thank you very much ;) [13:49] Camarade_Tux, there is no eth0. [13:49] Action: rob0 perks up at the mention of filth [13:49] rob0: I got some lovely filth down here!! [13:49] BP{k}: you're rejecting me ! ='( [13:50] BP{k}: btw, can you remove the towel on the wall in front of your shower? it blocks my camera [13:50] thanks :) [13:50] dangerseeker: eth0 or whatever ;) [13:50] Camarade_Tux: sure big boy ;) [13:51] thanks ^^ [13:51] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-12-248-30.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ian___ (n=ian@d-199-179-32.bootp.Virginia.EDU) joined ##slackware. [13:53] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] Camarade_Tux, I had tried "ethtool" on the faild boot: http://dangerseeker.pastebin.com/d69f34e81 [13:56] Camarade_Tux, the machine is failing in so many ways... it won't reboot properly but this is an unrelated hardware problem with the powersupply I guess... 8-( [13:57] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] I'm a bit clueless here =/ [13:57] Action: quasar gives Camarade_Tux a clue. [13:58] Camarade_Tux, that will make two. [13:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:58] already lost them ='( [13:59] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Action: quasar upgrades Camarade_Tux from resierfs to ext3 and tries another clue. [13:59] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28A47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:00] sky_1 (n=user@unaffiliated/sky-1/x-6937507) left ##slackware. [14:01] Camarade_Tux, the changes are in Slackware 13, because it shuts the NIC down when slackware is shut down. The link light on the switch goes dark. [14:02] I'd rather check why it can't be up'ed again but yeah, that's possible too [14:03] btw, have you tried slack13 -> unplug computer -> slack 12.2 instead of using windows in between? [14:04] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Camarade_Tux, yes, unplugging the powersupply restores the link. [14:05] at least you don't have to use windows now :P [14:06] nepenthe (n=ville@85.76.198.170) left irc: "God bless Slackware." [14:06] Camarade_Tux, I would not "use" windows to restore networking either. [14:06] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] Camarade_Tux, now entering the non (net)working slackware 12.2 ... [14:09] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [14:09] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [14:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-31-97-19.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] Camarade_Tux, "ifconfig eth0 up" brings up the NIC in "ifconfig" but no link (no light at the switch) [14:12] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28A47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [14:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28A47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:13] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: "Bye..........." [14:15] hi antiwire [14:15] Camarade_Tux, "ethtool -i eth0" says it uses the right (forcedeth) driver... [14:16] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:16] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Camarade_Tux: jfs is an excelent reiserfs replacement [14:18] macavity: xfs? [14:18] Camarade_Tux: havent tried it [14:19] dangerseeker: I'm really really clueless (and a bit tired) [14:19] Kiwi__ (i=Kiwi@modemcable108.44-23-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:19] hi [14:19] Camarade_Tux, Thanks for trying [14:20] Camarade_Tux: i benched reiserfs, jfs and ext3 on large compiles and stuff like find(1), and jfs was as fast as reiser, but uses a notably less CPU [14:20] Camarade_Tux: so i didnt bother looking any further.. i picked reiserfs back in the day because it was good for compiling stuff [14:20] hello Kiwi [14:20] is it possible to install Slackware 13.0 from USB flash drive? [14:20] yes [14:20] macavity: I'm not really surprised, thanks for benching :) [14:20] Kiwi__: yes ! [14:21] Action: Camarade_Tux did that three days ago in a complete hurry [14:21] Kiwi__: see the directory usb-and-pxe-instalers/ on the DVD or on your local ftp mirror [14:21] I finished setting slackware up in the subway :) [14:21] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] afk [14:23] I just read README_USB.TXT and from what I understand my 4GB USB flash drive will go to waste [14:24] because the boot image is only 25MB in size and has no software packages on it [14:24] giuppy (n=giuppy@host132-163-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:24] giuppy (n=giuppy@host100-62-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:24] is it possible to copy the software series to the USB and tell the installer that they're on the usb? [14:25] yes, please read the actual documents too ;) [14:25] which one? [14:25] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] ian___ (n=ian@d-199-179-32.bootp.Virginia.EDU) left ##slackware. [14:26] Kiwi__, alienBOB has a wicked usb installer thing search it on google its awesome [14:26] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] but his scripts are for Linux [14:27] Kiwi__: slackbook.org and http://slackbook.org/html/installation-setup.html#AEN1035 [14:27] I run Vista now [14:27] hmmmm, dd, where are yo [14:27] u [14:28] Kiwi__: do you have access to any non-windows computer? (no matter what it is) [14:28] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:28] Action: i_is_cat suggests vmware [14:28] no [14:29] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:29] icarus__ (n=tits@72.177.142.8) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:29] there must be an equivalent to dd on windows [14:29] all I have is a small netbook running vista [14:29] Kiwi__: have an optical drive or not? [14:29] ok [14:29] eww [14:29] no [14:29] my netbook came with xp [14:29] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:34] thank you [14:34] I'll go buy a couple of usb drives [14:34] Kiwi__ (i=Kiwi@modemcable108.44-23-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [14:35] he, slackware on reddit's frontpage : ) [14:36] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:36] (6th) [14:37] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:39] if i have a brandnew slack install on a really old box, this box does not have a wireless card, and I am trying to access the internet, from a network bridge (mac)... are there any special configuations on the eth0 i need to do to make this happen? [14:39] Z_Man (n=Z_Man@24.164.84.136) left irc: "Leaving" [14:40] Pumpkins1979 (n=siamese@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [14:41] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl72-46.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:42] nepenthe (n=ville@YYKMMCXLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[14:58] drijen: yeah, saw that quote ^^ [14:59] hmmm...bacon-powered rocket [14:59] and then it degenerates into distro-wars [14:59] :( [14:59] way to ruin a thread, gg [14:59] not war [14:59] just comparison [15:00] but I like how my comment got upvoted http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9ht8q/slackware_is_giving_away_free_copies_of_linux_vi/c0cu5y8 :) [15:00] i think im losing my mind [15:01] last night i had the sudden willingness to want to try emacs. [15:01] then i (seriously) had a dream about vi and emacs in a battle royale [15:01] drijen,who won? [15:02] i can't remember [15:02] :( [15:02] still trying to find what ever the hell it was i drank last night [15:02] vi(m) of course -_- [15:02] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Camarade_Tux: thanks for reminding me about the source command :) [15:03] Action: drijen tucks that away for future script [15:03] ^^ [15:04] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) left irc: "fnord!!" 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[15:09] drijen: you're weird [15:09] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Connection timed out [15:09] thrice`: duh [15:10] firedix (n=firedix@host112.200-45-61.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [15:10] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:11] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) joined ##slackware. [15:12] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:13] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] how do i fix scrolling on a synaptics touchpad? copying 11-x11-synaptics.fdi to /etc/hal... doesn't help [15:13] korg815` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279317390.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:13] john_dee: using two fingers to scroll? [15:14] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Camarade_Tux, nop. one finger will do :) just want to make it work [15:14] john_dee: tried with two? [15:14] it's an old one. no multitouch ot smth [15:14] oh [15:14] wait :p [15:14] ^^ [15:15] wow [15:15] multitouch is actually pretty old [15:15] btw, two fingers is better [15:15] (like your girlfriend told you :) ) [15:15] lies.. she likes the whole fist. [15:16] quasar: two in the beginning -_- [15:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:16] john_dee: you can try xev to see if anything is generated doing the horizontal scroll [15:16] how do I make my rtl8187b chipset reliable? [15:16] awesome! [15:17] comrad [15:17] you're not a programmer [15:17] you're a used tire salesman [15:17] now that the touchpad is working gotta go and make this two fingers trick to my girlfriend :D lol [15:17] Camarade_Tux, thumbs up [15:17] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [15:17] thumbs plus tow fingers? hmmm, that works too :P [15:17] john_dee: :) [15:17] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) joined ##slackware. [15:18] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:18] jeev: why a tire salesman? :o [15:18] http://imgur.com/AuSgW.jpg [15:18] used tire salesman [15:18] but why? [15:18] lol,Pig_Pen [15:18] Pig_Pen: [15:19] I don't know what to say [15:19] cause you are! it's like the lowest job of all time [15:19] MLanden, nop. doesn't seem to have horizontal scroll [15:19] lol :P [15:19] would you do that for your wife or gf ? [15:19] Camarade_Tux: prolly the same thing the cheerleader behind them was thinking [15:19] no horizontal scroll for me either [15:19] but I haven't tried much [15:19] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] MLanden: a cheerleader thinking? nah ^^ [15:20] http://www.startech.com/item/SV1110IPPCI-PCI-Server-Remote-Control-Internal-IP-KVM-Card.aspx [15:20] DO WANT. [15:20] How do I stabilize my rtl8187b chipset. Connections are random and so is the rate. [15:20] silent wireless? [15:20] yes [15:21] got a diff firmware? [15:21] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.1.199) joined ##slackware. [15:21] diff firmware? Not sure what you mean (I'm a noob) [15:21] Action: drijen backs away [15:21] john_dee: then the buttons must be software driven [15:21] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Camarade_Tux: true [15:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:22] drijen, I'll can say is I'm using the compat-wireless kernel [15:22] no idea. [15:23] im just recalling on my old 2200BG there were several firmwares to use when initializing the connection, for the various protocols [15:23] BSS, and w.e [15:23] which may or may not apply [15:23] hi ppl [15:23] y0 pupiteee [15:24] drijen, well I read that rtl8187b is supported by rtl8187 module, but I've had little support. [15:24] silent: hey man at least you *have* a driver [15:25] Action: drijen got pwnt [15:27] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-8-249.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] Action: hitest gives drijen a cookie:) [15:30] lol [15:30] epic fail [15:30] lol,hitest [15:30] lmao [15:30] Nick change: SQlvpapir_ -> SQlvpapir [15:31] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Connection timed out [15:33] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. 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[16:12] moerbiux (n=moerbiux@201-13-222-61.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:13] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] about the graphics: http://images.google.co.uk/images?num=50&hl=en&q=bellaminettes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi [16:13] nsfw of course :D [16:14] les bellaminettes \o/ [16:15] ##slackware is now a porn channel [16:16] "now"? when was it not a pron channel? :P [16:16] but actually the Bellaminettes have been made for computer magazines in france ;) [16:16] is there an evnironment var to make ls do color? rather than alias ls --color? [16:19] danklesman: what are you trying in? [16:19] bash [16:19] slackware [16:19] ^_^ [16:19] but which term? [16:19] ah [16:19] the xfce term [16:19] basically you want it to start a login shell [16:20] hmm? [16:20] but I don't know Terminal very well, you can check the doc? [16:20] i thought it was shell independant [16:20] i'm talking about dirs being colors and files being colored with i type "ls" [16:20] http://slackwiki.org/Login_Shell [16:21] I'm in irssi with color with xfce term right now ^_^ [16:21] well, the page I linked to has everything [16:21] ah yeah $LS_COLORS [16:21] thats it [16:21] thanks [16:22] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] mmm wait nm.. [16:22] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] j4xx (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:23] we should have a slackware conference [16:23] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [16:24] ah! found it. thanks, Camarade_Tux . [16:25] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:27] j4xx (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [16:27] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hi guys, maybe jfs a good reiserfs v3 replacement? [16:30] for what? "/" [16:30] ? [16:30] maxote: macavity said that about two hours ago [16:30] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [16:30] danklesman: :) [16:31] Hello guys, are I/O errors always an indication of a hard disk faillure? [16:31] epaphus: what does dmesg say? [16:31] you can run smartctl [16:31] (and likely) [16:31] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [16:31] "smartctl --all /dev/hda" [16:32] epaphus: what type of hard drive? [16:32] i've had I/O errors from a sata controller device driver [16:32] which went away after updating [16:34] re [16:34] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-24-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [16:34] aceofspades19 conferance for what? [16:35] for slackware [16:35] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:35] details man, details [16:36] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [16:36] watching _odd couple_ is making me pine for New york city [16:36] Quiznos: I'm not the guy that comes up with the details :p [16:37] k [16:38] what do ya know? [16:38] koo5 (n=kook@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] 42 [16:38] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [16:39] man I can't do anything while mencoder is running [16:39] :( [16:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] greeetings and salutations [16:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:40] yo [16:40] Action: MLanden salutes then greets andarius [16:41] greetings andarius, how are you? [16:41] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you? [16:41] andarius: excellent, thank you. :) [16:41] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.196) joined ##slackware. [16:46] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:47] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:47] hmmm, I found a way to remove your porn browsing leftovers on windows : damage the windows partition and reboot, it will chkdsk and remove plenty of files [16:47] no more porn history :D [16:47] xD [16:47] heh [16:49] or there is also the powerful defrag utility to re-alocate your files, to an "unfindable place" [16:52] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hi [16:52] Action: mank likes slackware [16:52] Camarade_Tux: or just use private browsing mode on firefox [16:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:53] not fun enough :) [16:53] with my method, files go away randomly :) [16:53] what happens when some of "leftovers" don't go away? [16:54] MLanden _Quincy_; _Ellery Queen_ [16:54] just umount it incorrectly once more :) [16:54] (you don't need to break it actually ;) ) [16:54] Thermite, then they go away in a big cloud of smoke. [16:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] Action: chopp votes for XGizzmo_'s method [16:55] Quiznos: What? Jack Klugman? [16:55] yea; but not in ellery [16:56] Quiznos: not familiar with Ellery [16:56] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] tv murder mystery genre [16:57] mid 70s [16:57] mmm KFC [16:57] crack for the poor. [16:57] wiki'ing it now...Peter Lawford was in one of 'em [16:58] they're spensive [16:58] kfc [16:58] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [16:58] trying the baked stuff.. was $1.99 for 2pc [16:58] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.118.195) joined ##slackware. [16:59] so I got 10 [17:02] since it's a new month i htink i'll treat myself to a speeshul meal this week. [17:02] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-140.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] ramen noodles ftw ! [17:03] nanaban - jabanese noodles [17:03] i like those; but i dont use the packets anymore; spagetti sauce or olive oil; crushed black pepper [17:04] packets are too salty [17:04] inexpensive noodles [17:05] ah, I usually use two flavoring packets per 1 pack of noodles.. [17:05] Action: quasar loves salty stuff [17:06] hell I even put salt on my baked chicken O.O [17:06] heh [17:07] i use salt, kosher actually, but i salt properly [17:07] table salt with iodine is nasty stuff [17:08] pre-crushed black pepper is weak; i buy whole pepper [17:09] meh.. dont care much for pepper.. only thing I put it on is mac-n-cheese lol [17:09] Quiznos: you need iodine though [17:10] yea but not much [17:10] he drinks a bottle of it every other week :) [17:10] it's in the preprocessed food "they" distribute [17:11] they? [17:11] wtf is this ##TheGallopingGourmet :P [17:11] tptb [17:11] Action: Quiznos chops chopp [17:11] it's ##stfuwerebored :D [17:11] Action: Quiznos chows chopp [17:11] fo0d is go0d [17:11] quasar: lol [17:12] well, i went back to 12.2 and x is working again. [17:12] i'm back to probs with opera again :) [17:12] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:12] firedix (n=firedix@host112.200-45-61.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [17:13] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:13] lol is one thing or another lol [17:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] nods [17:15] but at least i'm linear [17:15] lol [17:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Action: Quiznos pokes antiwire and falls over [17:16] Action: hitest hands antiwire a hammer [17:17] I AM NOT A NAIL!!! [17:17] :) [17:17] lol [17:17] lol...I AM A SPIKE...:D [17:18] spectre (n=kyle@41.210.128.21) left irc: Success [17:18] oh what's that tune? [17:18] if i had a hammer? [17:19] you'd get hit on? [17:19] MLanden what' the movie with jack lemon and umm actor x on the pink submarine? [17:19] :) [17:19] I'd hammer in the morning [17:19] hammer in the evening, all over this land! [17:19] that's another line [17:19] yea [17:19] that was my 5th grade graduation song -_- [17:19] lol [17:19] heh [17:19] Action: alienBOB usually feels like being hit with a hammer in the morning [17:20] Cary Grant,Quiznos? [17:20] lol [17:20] MLanden a 1940s or 1950s classic movie [17:20] no not Grant [17:20] jamie lee curtis' dad [17:20] Tony [17:20] yea [17:20] yep [17:20] now for the movie name [17:20] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] Lee Hayes and Pete Seeger wrote the song [17:20] blackula_ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [17:20] tony plays unscrupled navy quarter master on a boat [17:21] not enough paint [17:21] hmm [17:21] not McHail's Navy, but similar [17:21] McHale's [17:21] Operation Petticoat [17:21] yea, with the rescued nurses? [17:22] that's a flick i could watch now [17:22] and the other movie they both did with (was jack in that one) Monroe [17:22] the golden age of tv is definately over. [17:22] hey,they made a series out of it with John Astin...there's an episode om youtube [17:22] what series? [17:22] McHell's navy staring Ernist Borgnine as the devil ;p [17:22] the golden rain.. [17:23] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Pig_Pen heh [17:23] Ernst [17:23] lol [17:23] Ernest [17:23] yea [17:23] but i say [17:23] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.30) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Ernst [17:23] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [17:23] \o/ [17:23] my favorite movie with Ernest Borgnine and Lee Marvin is "Emperor of the North" [17:23] Operation Petticoat,Quiznos..te other movie you're thinking of is Some Like It Hot [17:24] Action: winter waits for the golden rain [17:24] Action: twinkie_addict pees on winter [17:24] twinkie_addict: LOL [17:24] :) [17:24] back in the day, when WOR-9 new york was a full time movie station, I recall watching a pre-sun-up movie about some egyptologist who became cursed; his face was wrapped up, and when .. (my door bell rings, i have to go to work, 5am) never saw the rest of flick. [17:24] wasn't too long [17:25] MLanden yea both [17:25] Action: deco pees on winter too [17:25] winter: that enogh ? [17:25] Action: winter runs far away ffs [17:25] jj [17:25] winter wait dont go; it's your time of year [17:25] Action: winter 's not a pervert [17:25] thank god [17:25] winter: you can't run away from us [17:25] lol [17:25] winter: you swallow ? [17:25] lol [17:25] oh fsck off [17:26] Quiznos: sounds like one of those flicks staring Bela Legosi..must of made a million of those B flicks [17:26] J J [17:26] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:26] MLanden i dont think bela was in it [17:26] it was a monochrome [17:26] i think it was a 50s era flick [17:27] vantechq (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i see yellow people [17:27] winter: because you have pee on your eyes [17:27] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] lol [17:28] ha [17:28] deco: if that is all you can contribute here, you will not survive long [17:28] vantechq (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] never know,Quiznos..might've been digitized and is in archive.org's collection [17:28] alienBOB: just messing with winter :P [17:28] Stop it then [17:28] alienBOB: ok than you have to tell him too [17:28] _The Saint_ was actually a series of movies made during the 30s; a more rough and tumble kinda of character. I saw the series played on TMC some years ago [17:29] MLanden that's the beuty of daWeb [17:29] dispite it being the 666 of the bible. [17:30] slackware it seems is like the maytag of linx [17:30] lol [17:30] with which repair man? [17:30] new or old [17:30] skinny or fat? [17:31] lol [17:31] both and the one on robot chicken [17:31] heh [17:31] think I might've watched them when they had 'em on,Quiznos...yeah,was a more grittier character than Roger Moore [17:31] i think the former actor was a better rep for Maytag [17:31] MLanden yea! [17:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [17:31] whitness the fitness [17:31] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] well looky there; we sqeered antiwire away [17:31] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:32] maytag had him we have bob lol [17:32] lol,Gordon Jump [17:32] was Jump the first one? [17:32] vantech2 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ive ran slack ror a lot of years i cant remember when i had a breakage [17:33] segfault2k (n=sewa@pc-43-176-214-201.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] it even has servivide my typing lol [17:33] no,Gordon Jump was the maytag man...boss of WKRP as well...Leslie Charteris was the first saint [17:33] twinkie_addict me neither; this one with 13 is the first serious prob i've ever had; worse even than when i was a n0b alone without help in '95 [17:33] hi, anybody knows a mirror for kde 4.3.x for slack 13.00? [17:33] or current? [17:33] MLanden ok [17:33] slackware.mirrors.tds.net? [17:34] hmmm... is it possible to instruct lilo to boot another os on next reboot? Like dual booting between W2K and slack. Slack is default (first entry in lilo.conf) [17:34] [fh]t[tp]* [17:34] i can only do remote logins to both os'es [17:34] 13 is being very good to me , im still puzzied with you video issue [17:34] Baisuoklis you set all that want up before booting [17:34] you can write a new default to mbr [17:34] it's cool, i have no X [17:34] im still mulling it over though as soon as i have an answer ill let you know lol [17:34] whoops...*fail..Louis Hayward was the first...now I'm dumber the 80 year old( smarter than 5th grader / 10 year old remake) [17:35] s/the/than a [17:35] twinkie_addict from the forums i read, i found similiar accounts; those uses also pointed to (suspected) hal and/or udev [17:35] lol [17:35] im not suprised [17:35] nods; other distros too of course [17:36] Baisuoklis: "lilo -R " [17:36] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [17:36] pirving (i=1000@host-12-25-50-54.beeline-online.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] It's why I always use lilo, never grub... grub can not do this [17:36] Erm... i if i modify lilo.conf to boot windows as a default OS, how do i return to slack afterwards? i can vnc to w2k box and ssh to slack [17:36] twinkie_addict i'm bothered that usb-wireless mouse was affected too. shouldnt have. hal prob [17:36] yeh the last version of xorg you had to mess the server tages so it wouldnt use udev [17:36] I am just wondering why Pat decided to have the mouse scroll wheel work in 13.0 but never in previous versions? [17:36] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:37] Baisuoklis: you need to have Slackware as the default in lilo.conf for that to work [17:37] but with grub i can build a dynamic command using any partition [17:37] by telling it to not AutoAddDevices [17:37] Action: winter will shift tomorow for a new gpu and shift back [17:37] you can use alien's once-only lilo line [17:37] pirving: it probably has to do with HAL, not with a conscious decision [17:37] ah I see [17:37] so it'll only boot automatically into windows once for every time you run lilo -R [17:37] you could try that [17:37] alienBOB: so -R option will boot other OS on reboot? and after i reboot w2k it will be back to slac? [17:37] slack* [17:38] enought of fscking around my retarded gpu [17:38] generat the xorg.conf and and that serverflags line [17:38] might work [17:38] Baisuoklis: indeed [17:38] slackware is default in lilo.conf [17:38] oh... great1 thx [17:38] segfault2k (n=sewa@pc-43-176-214-201.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] twinkie_addict after finishing 12.2/x/ and xap/ x11 started right up before i had to mess with the conf [17:39] gonna try to make one of my webcams work with gspca driver [17:39] and x11 is running in bkgrnd, ffox, the tube playing _odd couple_ while i'm in bx now. [17:39] modprobe $the_correct_driver [17:39] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [17:39] http://lwn.net/Articles/113644/ [17:39] I use that lilo feature all the time. My development box is started using wakeonlan, then I select the OS to boot by running lilo -R somelabel after loggin in [17:39] nice [17:39] need to give more info for the developers [17:39] i'm pleased [17:40] and no swap; need to add one tho [17:40] alienBOB: cool [17:40] nice [17:40] wanna make 2g swap part somewhere [17:40] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8C4B0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] sorry you had trouble in 13 [17:40] s'ok [17:40] ty [17:40] there are alot of variable; hw is one of them [17:41] im sure pat will fix that soon and an update will be availible [17:41] ii think i have a dell box [17:41] i'll watch. [17:41] for it [17:41] put slackpkg in crontab+mail [17:41] goin' mini,Quiznos? [17:41] be sure you can remote into windows or its all moot [17:41] :> [17:41] alienBOB: hmmm, in opensuse 10, I used to be able to tell grub which entry to boot on next reboot [17:41] mini what? [17:42] Quiznos: did you do a clean install ? [17:42] no [17:42] Dell [17:42] MLanden oh. it's a desktop box; standard sized box i think [17:42] black [17:42] Hi, sorry i lost the ball on the HD question.. iam asking in general terms... if I/O errors are always a sign of HD degradation or a need to run fsck.. ? [17:42] Quiznos: hear ya [17:42] both [17:43] i'll take it with me when i go back to uni [17:43] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [17:43] and get a laptop too [17:43] and/or a 100h voice recorder [17:43] that would be neat [17:43] with auto-recording [17:44] Staples has some nice models [17:44] wanna get one that has a usb port on it [17:44] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.94.227) joined ##slackware. [17:44] alienBOB and Camarade_Tux, grub-set-default is what you may be refering to [17:44] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:44] Quiznos: you sittin' on Santa's lap?..lol [17:44] heh nah [17:44] hola [17:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:45] is it a one-off rg3? [17:45] alienBOB: thx again! worked like a charm. I think i need to read man pages more often lol [17:45] probably all the time [17:46] mancha: i don't remember, it's been a long time since i used grub... [17:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Action: hitest prefers lilo for multi-booting OSs [17:46] hitest: easier to config ? [17:47] I'm not sure because I don't use grub [17:47] hitest: oh ok :P [17:47] lilo just works for me [17:47] Action: XGizzmo_ prefers lilo because its still maintained. [17:47] XGizzmo_:grup is not ? [17:47] no [17:47] grub* [17:48] grub isn't maintained [17:48] whoa [17:48] but it still works [17:48] you mean on slackware or upstream? [17:48] upstream [17:48] ouch [17:48] XGizzmo_: oh ok that's a shocker [17:48] Action: rg3 uses extlinux as the bootloader because... i feel like it :) [17:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.24) left irc: [17:50] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.118.195) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] Action: phal prefers only one OS on his pc [17:51] Action: winter has found a laptop with ubuntu in some market today, he opened gnome-terminal, pressed f11, typed 'cat /dev/urandom' and went away. [17:51] Xgizzmo, huh? [17:51] http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy.en.html [17:52] GRUB Legacy is not actively developed any longer. [17:52] GRUB Legacy is not actively developed any longer. Only bugfixes will be made so that we can continue using GRUB Legacy until GRUB 2 becomes stable enough. [17:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB it's active [17:52] that's because they've replaced it with grub2 [17:52] the second sentence is important [17:53] my chickens like grubs ;) [17:53] it's in bugfix-only mode, not unmaintained [17:53] extlinux? [17:54] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:54] oh that's neat [17:54] vkool; extlinux [17:55] Quiznos: created by kernel hackers, it can only boot linux, but i can use it because i only have slackware in this computer [17:55] nods; same here [17:55] linux only [17:55] i [17:55] HAVE A DREWAM [17:55] dream [17:56] to combine all distros into one SuperDistro on one partition. [17:56] oh no, not these craps :P [17:56] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] the many linux distros is the problem of linux [17:56] linux only here too [17:56] just need two things; an etc-switcher; and a interposed open() [17:57] rm the redundancies [17:58] and one super package manager of some kind integrating all distro-level information into one integrated whole [17:58] agreed there are toomany to make a choice [17:58] choice isnt a bad thing [17:58] except for me, it is. [17:58] i rember the days of the big three redhat debian and slack [17:58] i dont good with menus [17:58] nods [17:58] me too [17:58] i usually tell waitress "one each" [17:59] Action: hitest used deadrat at one point [17:59] and then "go away for a few mins pls :)" [17:59] "can i help you?" "no, i'm beyond help" [17:59] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [17:59] i ran debian for a wile but got anoyed at all the deps it puled whenever i installed something [17:59] i had very little control [17:59] and the reverse of that too [18:00] Note to self: Never fucking explain things in full to non-techies [18:00] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-239-37.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [18:00] i found a page years ago that illustrated well the dep-hell various pkgtools went through and still got the deps wrong. [18:00] I hate paranoid-porn-surfers-who-want-to-hide-their-tracks-but-use-IE people [18:00] the page was part of a new pkgtool [18:00] and especially when they didn't set up the network [18:01] and it's about hiding stuff from their 16 year old younger sister [18:01] she already knows [18:01] heh [18:01] most likely [18:01] He;s... how do you say this non-offensively..... a christian? :P [18:01] i still think slacks static deps are the only way to go there are some nice sitros out their but slack seems to have it right [18:01] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] well; pat is the dep-mgr. [18:02] Slackware-current + dependency resolution == ArchLinux [18:02] the best criticism i ever heard about Slackware was [18:02] Slackware is good for a reason :D [18:02] slack's static deps? huh? [18:02] "why would I want a copy of someone's disk as a distro?" [18:02] that really is the only coherent criticism against slackware. [18:02] Jully (n=jullyend@201-41-199-97.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:03] NthDegree who "he"? [18:03] oh the pr0n surfer? [18:03] i bet if you count all of debian's current dependecy snafu's with apt, it is 99% pebkac and 1% (maybe) distro [18:04] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] ive sayit in ##linux alot but i realy like that i in most cases only need to install one app in slack as aposed to the ap and 15 difrent deps to , [18:05] slack has the deps already :) [18:05] slack is pre-depd :) [18:05] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] do a full install and there is almost no dep hell [18:06] yep [18:06] yea but then user introduces deps by wanting other stuff. [18:06] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] that doesn't mean every executable is paccked with it's libs, it means all the libs needed for the base install are there :) [18:06] yea [18:06] yep [18:07] and slackbuilds are nere perfect L( [18:07] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] welll ,,, [18:07] so it is internally consistent, pretty much. [18:07] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] Quiznos, yeah... a Christian porn-surfer... epic much? :P [18:07] i wouldnt say "perfect" [18:07] NthDegree pm? [18:07] nothing is perfect [18:08] cybersex between NthDegree and Quiznos [18:08] interesting [18:08] hahaha [18:08] lol [18:08] anyways, i really don't buy into the dependency hell concept even though i hear it often here. i have experienced none personally (on other distros) [18:08] people who moan about RPM hell are the same people who'd moan about SO hell if RPM didn't exist: P [18:09] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:09] hmmm....Sister Sunrise..:D [18:09] rpms have come a very long way [18:09] NthDegree pm? [18:09] fedora is one of my fave nube distros [18:09] say yes NthDegree [18:10] Quiznos is an Ubuntuer [18:10] i am not [18:10] "Ubuntier" [18:10] bake when mandrake was still yung deps were a big problem but dep hell isnt so bad these days [18:10] damit NthDegree be original, say yes already. [18:11] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Quiznos, okay... yes :D [18:11] ty [18:13] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3c5) joined ##slackware. [18:13] ubuntier ? not heard that one before [18:13] a better conjugation i think [18:14] i like better than ubuntard [18:14] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:14] :) [18:15] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-231.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] yes i do feel ubuntu is crap on a disk but i wont bash the users of they dont know better , when they they lear they switch every time [18:15] always good to have a starting point [18:15] i'm a slacker; but it's my considered opinion that every decent dist has something to offer. [18:16] slackware has many real advantages over other distribs withouth having to make up deficiencies :) [18:16] Quizno i agree everry distro does have something to offer [18:16] for instance, on one of the many dvd's i have, there's one (forgot which) that has a very neat mime/type switcher that i find flexible and wish pat would investigate [18:17] it handles console and gui apps well [18:17] twinkie_addict: at least,it does give an alternative (language i.e.) [18:17] but i hate rebooting [18:17] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [18:17] twinkie_addict nods [18:18] the thing ubuntu does for linux imo is makes it easy for windows users to get started in linux . i just wish they work haveder to make that expireance a positive one [18:19] yea; Bill dropped the ball on that, teaching users good computering skills [18:20] the next time someone feels like bashing redhat, go calculate the % of kernel commits due to RH [18:20] heh troo [18:20] they doodoo alot [18:20] any news on M#'s commit yet? [18:20] lol redhat though fedora puts up alot of new tech for linux and puts though real world testing :) cant gripe about that [18:20] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] agreed [18:21] like i saed fedora is a fave of mine [18:21] my pref is plain knop [18:21] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i dont run it as a main os but i wont deny that i love it [18:22] but i've used whatever dvd helps me do a task; especially when offline or cant get online for some reason [18:23] yeh i have alot of cds floating around :) live distros and the like i even have a live openbsd and netbsd disk around here [18:23] neat [18:23] openbsd is very nice [18:23] i do too [18:23] the live openbsd is a nice distro [18:23] yes it is [18:23] twinkie_addict, the problem with Fedora is that it bloats everything beyond reason [18:23] that is sooo true :) [18:24] but no distro is perfect [18:24] taht's why i ponder a SuperDist [18:24] heh [18:24] twinkie_addict: my only grip with fedora is that it refuses to even offer you gstreamer -bad or ugly it's a nie distro :P [18:24] but it's a nice distro* [18:25] i find the gripe about 'bloat' interesting, considering it's being mentioned in ##slackware [18:25] yeh they take the free no licence thing way to far i think [18:25] eya but bloat isnt a dist-issew; it's a app-issew. [18:25] twinkie_addict: a la rms :P [18:25] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] ananke, by bloat I mean it runs a lot of memory-intensive processes by default which are a pain to get rid of [18:25] the only bloat a dist can have is in pkg count. [18:25] or dep-hell [18:25] but rpmfusion fixes that lol [18:25] You could install EVERYTHING but as long as it is not hogging RAM and CPU time it is not bloat [18:26] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [18:26] twinkie_addict: but it would be nice for an officail support of them :P [18:26] and when I say bloat i'm talking 100MB used on crap to inform you of updates and install them [18:27] 80MB RAM for SELinux troubleshooting [18:27] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [18:27] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:27] its amazing to think of the high quality stuff people made back when you had MB drives and few MB ram... [18:27] I bet it's written in python :) [18:27] mancha : the quality wasn't there. [18:27] Then you have PackageKit [18:28] and yum takes yet more while it runs [18:28] so you have yum as a backend of PackageKit which is a backend of a GUI app taking 100MB RAM [18:28] Jully (n=jullyend@201-41-199-97.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:28] Jully (n=jullyend@201-41-199-97.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:28] and 'lo and behold you end up with bloat that isn't needed [18:29] remove the bloat and you've taken away all the "polish" [18:30] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] firedix (n=firedix@host112.200-45-61.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:30] 'bloat' is such a nasty word, which says nothing more than 'in my subjective opinion, this uses more ram/disk/cpu/pigeons than i think it ought to' [18:31] sure it's a nasty word, but what else would you call it? [18:31] "miss assignment of resources" [18:31] even Microsoft didn't screw that up quite so much [18:31] i agree there is lot in fedora that isnt needed hance slackware ? but to be fair slck use a dvd to install :) [18:31] 'uses more ram/disk/cpu/pigeons than i think it should' [18:31] how many rods per hogshead is that bloat taking up? [18:31] it is part of human nature that when you relax the constraints, you lose the focus on efficiency; happens in everything [18:32] I think I can pretty much compare what Fedora has done to something Vista has done [18:32] why should i work 20 more hours to make this code tight if everyon's got GB ram these days...etc [18:33] it's a matter of personal honor in that case [18:33] mancha : it's not that focus on efficiency is lost, it's just efficiency no longer holds the number one priority when it comes to typical computing needs [18:33] to write elegant code that cannot be improved. [18:33] Vista "enhanced" their security so if you take a laptop from one place to another, you have more GUI aids when it comes to choosing file sharing options.... [18:33] but one thing i can say about slack is it is familiar , i dont have to relear the os every time a new version comes out :) [18:33] i'll happily take code that's 100MB larger, yet provides me with the functionality and ease-of-use i need [18:34] twinkie_addict yea, 2nd nature. [18:34] twinkie_addict which is why this 13 business is so jarring [18:34] Somewhere the MS developers lost their minds because: Who in their right mind would use a laptop as a file server? (unless they're a complete idiot!) [18:34] your premise is flawed [18:34] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] mancha : how so [18:35] to get the functionality you need ->> need 100mb more (flawed logic). the point is you can get the same functionality if you tighten the code, in 100mb less. but the drive is no longer there because the resources are abundant [18:35] ananke, but yum update is much easier than telling a (laggy) GUI to tell PackageKit to tell yum to update surely? [18:35] puppy is a great example [18:35] mancha : your logic is flawed. i never said that the added functionality is a logical consequence of 100mb of added code [18:35] also a cron job for yum update does automatic updates, and they used to offer exactly that! [18:35] abundance of resources shouldnt be a qualifier of or chooser of functionality [18:35] neither did i. [18:35] that's what modules provide [18:35] puppy is functional and small [18:35] mancha : " to get the functionality you need ->> need 100mb more (flawed logic)." [18:36] 100mb more ->> added functioanlity is not what i wrote, please red carefully so we avoid disussing things based on problems from reading comprehension [18:36] or, the implementation language of tool is flawed in its capability [18:36] i have alot of respect for puppy linux [18:36] julioc (i=1000@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [18:36] mancha : if you can't write well enough for it to be clearly understood, we have another issue [18:36] there is a difference between "to get the functionality requires 100mb more of code" is different from "if i add 100mb of code i will get the functioanlity i want" [18:36] gnu tools are bloated because they do so much checking [18:37] Action: rob0 likes puppy [18:37] is it all really necesary when, for instance, the kernel checks the args it recieves from userland? [18:37] alphad64__ (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Action: rob0 takes another bite of grilled puppy [18:37] duplication of effort is a bloat [18:37] Quiznos, yes since not all kernels are as robust [18:37] by version, troo [18:37] alphad64___ (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [18:38] The GNU developers are proud of being able to run their apps bug-free on many platforms [18:38] so why shouldnt apps follow kernel and become smaller? [18:38] alphad64__ (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] while if you take many BSD userland apps they won't "just work" in other BSDs or even other BSD versions >_> [18:38] witukind__ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-236-120.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [18:39] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Quiznos, many apps do, it's the distros that tend to add bits on [18:39] thats true [18:39] k [18:39] NthDegree : regarding packagekit, i'm not familiar with that at all. i do see a point in having a gui applet for managing updates, there are plenty of users who would want that. however, i imagine it's possible to simply disable it [18:39] i bet if the firefox devs were told that they had to cut the size of the ff executable by 10% and add a few features to existing ones, they'd manage [18:40] mancha : that requires effort. and a lot of it. [18:40] and i am not picking on ff, the same holds true for most userspace things these days [18:40] mancha it's not that; for instance, if there was one superior implementation of a SymbolTable that all apps used then there would be no need to rewrite/reinvent. [18:40] Action: deco wishes ff wouldn't consume so much memory [18:40] that is the pinnacle of bloat; reinvention [18:40] deco, funny enough it isn't all FF [18:40] one could write scripts in asm, to gain extra efficiency. of course, getting there would be painful [18:40] Flash bumps up RAM use on both Gecko and Webkit rendering engines [18:40] as does Java [18:41] NthDegree: ah yeah flash [18:41] a symbolTable is a pointer to a malloc'd vector of [name,**type,**value]; and that is a recursive definition [18:41] a couple of functions and you have a completely coherent, system-wide symboltable that can offer persistance and regularity [18:42] and with persistance, no info is lost. [18:42] and with the concept of the filesystem is the database, you have a dirtree of data [18:42] flash has gotta be one of the more expensive things to render these days [18:42] it's all very Taoish [18:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.196) left irc: Connection timed out [18:43] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] NthDegree: what DE do you use ? [18:43] deco, it's a hybrid setup [18:43] it would be nice to see some open alternatives to flash displacing it as the main media format [18:43] i think were things go south is when people make apps the monkies can use , if a higher standerd is set for the user the user grows look at the dos days [18:43] I use XFCE's panel, settings daemon and such with openbox as the WM [18:43] Nick change: alphad64___ -> alphad64__ [18:43] twinkie_addict yep; that's Bill's fault as i wrote earlier [18:44] true,Quiznos...always trying to stay in the center with forces pushin' all around..:D [18:44] specktater (n=speck@adsl-76-238-129-102.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] NthDegree: nice:) ise kde 4 atm [18:44] i use* [18:44] I use 'xcompmgr -a' for the best window rendering (rendering that is smooth and uses the GPU not CPU via compositing) [18:44] MLanden i see/recognise all the redundancy in linux. it's fkin everywhere. and programers are to blame. [18:44] twinkie_addict : why should a user 'grow'? using software shouldn't be vehicle for some programmer's sick and twisted idea of 'forcing users to grow' [18:45] I came up with a novel solution to the problem of unreliability in OSes [18:45] Quiznos: mulligan stew is mulligan stew [18:45] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] I have *one app* for everything [18:45] no bullshit "integration" [18:45] NthDegree: emacs ? :P [18:45] deco, err I meant "one app for each thing" xD [18:45] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] NthDegree: hahah [18:46] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.19.98) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:46] i heard someplace that cumputing was not made to to be easy but instead efisiant if easy takes the place of eficiance than its bloat [18:46] MPlayer - Media Player, GIMP - Image Manipulation, Kazehakase - Web Browsing, Claws Mail, X-Chat etc. [18:46] But no GNOME or KDE integration [18:47] NthDegree: :D [18:47] I choose the app that performs each action the best and use only that app [18:47] it's simple and it is how computing should be [18:47] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:47] I have no HAL and no root copy of DBUS [18:47] Nick change: alphad64__ -> alphad64 [18:47] NthDegree: why don't you use HAl ? because you don't have a DE to mount things ? [18:48] twinkie_addict : efficiency for the sake of efficiency is a silly goal. what matters is whether the application allows the user to accomplish given task, the easier the better [18:48] Because HAL is a waste of time if you don't integrate everything [18:48] if the app does what it is suposed to do and not alot else but is still easy to use thats great [18:48] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:48] NthDegree: oh [18:48] take slackbuilds for example you still buil the app from source but the proces is easy [18:48] My CDs still burn and I run mount to mount drives [18:49] and USB devices work via the kernel [18:49] Heya guys. [18:49] y0 elderK [18:49] :) Yo, MLanden [18:49] I am tempted to try dmenu, evilwm and xtray and bind keys [18:49] twinkie_addict : the 'easy' part is subjective. it's halfway between manual configure/make and say gentoo's emerge or ports [18:49] since TBH I only need alt+tab and a system tray [18:50] and a menu to choose apps with [18:50] miniature pencil crayons are awesome! the help me complete all my compiling from source [18:50] they* [18:50] how do they taste,i_is_cat?...:D [18:51] wooden [18:51] and painty [18:51] yummy [18:51] thats why i do not eat them [18:51] i colour in the O's and Q's as make does its thing [18:52] ahh..a mood thing,cool..:D [18:53] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.30) left irc: Client Quit [18:53] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-239-37.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] lol i know all that :) i havent exepted totaly thing are going toward a more outomated world where people dont need know there hardware or hw to read a manual page [18:53] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [18:54] Stanto (n=S@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:54] whoever thought to put the home key right next to the backspace key on this keybr0ad i have, deserves a huge slap in the face [18:54] twinkie_addict : vast majority of people in this world do not need, nor want, to read a man page. [18:54] i just dont get how one can spend as much money on a computer and know nothing about it thats all [18:55] MLanden there are only two environments that satisfy what i've writ. [18:55] because people are stupid twinkie_addict [18:55] its sad [18:55] no its life [18:55] twinkie_addict : because you equate knowing operating system to 'knowing a computer'. people do not want to know that [18:55] hear ya,Quiznos [18:55] name them? [18:55] i_is_cat : that's the most ignorant statement ever. not knowing an os does not make one 'stupid' [18:56] ananke, its independent of knowing an os [18:56] i'm saying in general [18:56] people don't learn the simple stuff... like, how to copy and paste (or even the fact that it's possible to copy and paste) [18:56] specktater (n=speck@adsl-76-238-129-102.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Quit" [18:56] i_is_cat : if it was a general statement, why start your sentence with 'because', as to imply a relationship? [18:56] what,Quiznos? the ying and yang? [18:56] they don't learn the difference between left and right mouse buttons [18:57] people who can't follow directins are stupid :D [18:57] ananke, stupid people do stupid things [18:57] anyone in eastern new york with a working soldering setup? [18:57] directions* [18:57] in car terms, it's the equivalent of not knowing the difference between the gas and brake pedals [18:57] i_is_cat : and stupid people say stupid things [18:57] no it doesnt make one stupid many doctors lawyers and so on use computers and know nothing about them and thats ok but why should i have my system wasted on things i dont need becouse someone does , thats whay i run linux i can chose how my system runs what i want and how much :) [18:58] everyone says things stupid or not which most of it is [18:58] My mama always said, stupid is as stupid does. [18:58] MLanden (nick first bfor highlight) yea, they are Yin and Yang to each other. [18:58] this conversation is slowly becoming an exercise in absurdity [18:59] a agree [18:59] ill staop [18:59] at least it's a conversation [18:59] stop [18:59] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:59] lol [18:59] i like slackware :) [18:59] true at least were not peeing on winter [18:59] s/slowly/quickly/g [18:59] twinkie_addict: lol [18:59] deco, we covered that already [18:59] twinkie_addict: watch it some people might get mad at you [18:59] dont go backwards [19:00] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] lol [19:00] i hate how everything's grown so bloated lately [19:00] *me ducks* [19:00] crudo (n=0xdead@189.81.149.117) joined ##slackware. [19:00] ii hate how everything has become ubuntu lol [19:01] Action: twinkie_addict runs for his life [19:01] Dicken's wrote for the Ghost of Christmas Future..avoid want and ignorance...guess he was really on the mark..:D [19:01] i hate apple, mac users .... iphone users [19:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:01] you know thaddage about apps dont you ? [19:01] if ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people [19:01] deco : why, are you a zealot? [19:02] ananke: you didn't get the joke ? [19:02] appels [19:02] deco : not at all [19:02] ananke: sad [19:02] deco : mind explaining? [19:02] smoooth externally jealous and greedy and back-biting; the unbelievers are unhappy. [19:02] ananke: nope [19:02] whach out for appels they might have a worm [19:02] *fail....Ghost Of Christmas Present [19:02] twinkie_addict: gotta wach em before you eat em :P [19:02] deco : ahh. nothing like laughing at your own jokes [19:02] wash* [19:02] ananke: but yo usure did respond [19:02] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] what this country needs is a good 5 cent nickel [19:03] deco : i don't see how that's relevant [19:03] do laptops generally not have internal speakers? i can't get 'beep' to work :-( [19:03] Pig_Pen nickel is unavailable [19:03] i mean silver is unavailable; [19:03] Pig_Pen: damn tootin'....as long as it's tasty [19:03] ananke: sigh get a life [19:03] deco : ohh. good one. that should score you an emmy [19:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) left irc: "leaving" [19:03] nickel is a weight of gold and silver by grain [19:04] neither is in general circulation [19:04] and stoopit congress outlawed foreign metals as coin also [19:04] nickel is also a great plating material on pistols [19:04] get rid of that law first. [19:05] hard money would flood into america [19:05] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [19:05] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:05] btw, does slackpkg support ROOT=/usr/local env var? [19:05] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:08] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [19:09] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: "leaving" [19:10] Action: byteframe possibly fixes his intel-gpu on thinkpad crazy bullshit, by upgrading to 2.6.30.5 in /testing [19:10] kool [19:11] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:11] nvm. mtrr write combining goes away. [19:12] bumier [19:17] Quiznos: not quite the way you want it to [19:17] misparse; no context? :) [19:17] huh? [19:17] if you went "ROOT=/usr/local installpkg foobar.tgz", you'd end up with /usr/local/usr/bin/foobar, /usr/local/usr/doc/foobar-$VERSION, etc etc [19:18] ah ty; will ponder then [19:18] that would be easier to fix [19:18] slackpkg works the same, because it just calls installpkg [19:18] nods [19:19] Urchlay what about PWD=/usr/local tar xf tarball? [19:19] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] can tar chop off a dir level? [19:20] like patch does? [19:20] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) joined ##slackware. [19:20] can [19:20] anyone knows of/recommends a way of managing passwords/safe information in a distributed way? [19:20] ldap? [19:20] I know keepass can be used in several environments, but I need to sync the database... [19:21] antiwire: oh, no, general stuff [19:21] from your bank account numbers to your pc passwords to the combination that opens your office's front door [19:22] i just use a text file and gpg [19:22] but that text file sits on your pc :) [19:23] right [19:23] bbl for 3rd shift [19:23] later,Quiznos [19:24] Mornin' Quiznos, anti [19:24] later Quiznos! [19:24] Have a good one shift man [19:24] :) [19:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:29] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) joined ##slackware. [19:29] `ello people :) [19:30] 'Allo,bller [19:30] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:30] whats cooking around here [19:30] been a few days since i`ve been here [19:31] all quiet on the {Northern,Eastern,Southern,Central,Western} front at the moment..:D [19:31] what's cooking? MLanden has steaks on the grill, someone has cold beer, etc. A good party. :P [19:31] great :D can i join? [19:32] sure, why not. :) [19:32] steaks on Sunday,fire|bird?...you must be dreamin' [19:32] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] we got fresh corn on the cob, tomatoes, and watermellon from the garden [19:32] MLanden: well, dreams a reality here, because that's what I'm eating atm. :P [19:32] lol,fire|bird [19:33] MLanden: It's darn good too. :P [19:33] bon appetit,fire|bird [19:33] thanks [19:33] have fun eatin` it :D [19:34] I'd dcc some to everyone, but I'm not sure how that'd turn out. The interwebs would have a heart attack from the pipes getting clogged. :P [19:34] :)) it would be an idea [19:34] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] remember to flush them aftewerds [19:34] haha [19:35] fire|bird: true..and no idea how the source would wind up [19:35] firedix (n=firedix@host112.200-45-61.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] That'd be a huge job to do. :P clean the interwebs pipes. [19:35] well, at least you`ll make us , or at least some of us happy [19:35] lol [19:36] any new info on the next slackbook recently ? [19:38] fire|bird: and once it did get compiled...one would want to add the ketchup source..others would want the onion source left without grill while other would want it merged with the butter source...it would get messy..:D [19:38] yeah, it sure would. :) [19:39] i`ll check the dependencies on the grill [19:39] haha, that in itself might be quite the list. :P [19:39] make sure to install to /bin/eatin [19:39] MLanden: If there's any distro that could handle all that source, it's Slackware. :) [19:39] and boot/fire [19:39] just missed a healthy discussion of bloat about an hour ago [19:40] true,fire|bird [19:43] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] what would a normal slacker do all day in front of his PC, and i know, could be a very retarded question, but i`m curious [19:45] eat [19:46] ok, thats what i`m doing allready [19:46] anything else [19:46] compile [19:46] wonder what other slackers are doing [19:46] X_X [19:47] drinking [19:48] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:48] ok, besides normal day activitty like eating, drinking sleeping, that would he do with/at his PC [19:49] wanking [19:49] smoking [19:50] hmmz [19:50] goes one window to the left [19:50] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [19:52] hmm interresting [19:54] not much [19:55] it's an os that has to serve, just needs a bit of care more [19:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Guest95798 (n=root@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] well, i usually code php and html just about all day, [19:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:57] and i can`t complain, it just flows so good [19:57] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] my only regret is i don`t have the heart to try to install the video driver for a bigger resolution [19:59] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [20:02] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) joined ##slackware. [20:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430602.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:10] To be prepared, do nvidia users having to create a minimal xorg.conf? Others might just have nvidia-xorg generate one, but I'd prefer not to... [20:11] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [20:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] if you use the closed source driver, then yes [20:12] thrice`, have you one? [20:12] nope, I was a good linux user and bought intel ;) [20:13] oh boy..xf86-video-intel is bogus man. [20:13] My laptop's all over the place. [20:13] it should be pretty stable now [20:13] Ill have to test 4 differant drivers on two kernels, with or without modesetting to get it right. [20:13] 855gm chip. Kinda old, it just always seems one release out till this thing will be any good. [20:13] for kernel, latest is your best bet [20:14] the 2.6.30.5 kernel seemd cool. [20:14] But after I quite X, the mtrr setting for the graphics aperture disappeared. [20:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/314928 [20:15] slackware ships the 2.8.x driver already [20:16] ubuntu was released while it was still in heavy flux for the EXA -> UXA transition [20:16] Yep, and corruption in 3d was present with the default 2.26.29 kernel. [20:16] I would like to use the latest drivers though. [20:16] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:24] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:25] cole_ (n=cole@89.193.58.44) joined ##slackware. [20:26] byteframe: for the Nvidia driver you need -> http://pastebin.com/m1a15dae8 [20:26] mingdao, excellent, thats what I hoped it would be. [20:26] I want to kick the tires on xorg auto config... [20:26] Go for it. [20:27] Actually, I bet the Identifier and VendorName lines are unnecessary. [20:27] I've let the nvidia-installer do it a time or two ... worked fine on two comps here. [20:27] But I've never tried that before. [20:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:28] adamk_: did the guy get his SiS driver issue worked out? [20:28] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.4) joined ##slackware. [20:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] adamk_: no, it won't work without Identifier and VendorName lines [20:30] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:31] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] eltew (n=sub2k1@ool-4571eaa3.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:37] that'll work well with windowmaker. sounds awesome [20:37] or fluxbox. :D [20:37] yep [20:37] hi fire|bird:) [20:38] hey hitest [20:38] :) [20:39] hitest: actually been running the same windowmaker config since this thing used to run slack 10.0 :) [20:39] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:40] UrchLap: that takes me back:) I ran Slack 10.0 with XFce on a Pll 266. good times. [20:40] I used RH 7.3 on my PII 266. :P [20:41] Baby^Angel_ (i=allien@41.236.13.68) joined ##slackware. [20:43] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Hi all, i just installed backtrack3 to hard disk from a live cd, problem 1, how do i create a user on the operating system? i can log into root but obviously i really dont want to be running root unless i need super user privilliges. 2) how do i use the "mkchanges" command so i can set the keyboard layout to uk british and save the changes insead of when i reboot it goes to the usa layout, 3) how can i mount the hard drive partions automatically as it does [20:45] on the live boot (which im not worried about because i can mount them manually) 4) on slax is there an application manager? i.e for ubuntu it would be "apt-get install/remove (app name) debian would be "yum". im very new to slax so any help would really be appreciated [20:46] sorry, backtrack != slackware. do not pass go, and do not collect $200 [20:46] Debian would not be yum, that's Fedora [20:46] hey thrice` [20:46] hello :) [20:47] how are you fire|bird [20:47] i meant fedora sory [20:47] thrice`: excellent, thanks. you? [20:47] fine thanks :) [20:52] caio (n=caio@190.6.103.24) joined ##slackware. [20:52] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-238-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:52] caio (n=caio@190.6.103.24) left irc: Client Quit [20:53] caio (n=caio@190.6.103.24) joined ##slackware. [20:54] thrice: sorry, backtrack != slackware. do not pass go, and do not collect $200........ so where is the app mananger [20:54] everything from source? [20:55] no, slackware uses slackpkg [20:55] and pkgtools [20:55] awwww kool [20:56] so any idea how to use the mkchanges command? [20:56] mkchanges isn't a command in slackware [20:56] see where this is going? [20:57] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3c5) left irc: No route to host [20:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [20:59] nope theres no command that i know of that uses "mkchanges" but before i log in (on a shell) im seeing "experts only: mkchanges" [20:59] -bash: mkchanges: command not found [20:59] indeed [20:59] this is the reason why backtrack sucks, and we refuse to support it :> it's completely different than slackware [21:00] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] well i chose it because i need a small operating system to fit on a small disk for file storage [21:01] hy fire|bird [21:01] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:01] hey LnxSlck, how's it going? [21:01] fire|bird: nice and there? [21:01] LnxSlck: great, thanks. [21:01] MLanden Ensign Pulver in Mr. Roberts [21:01] i start tomorrow my vacantions [21:01] nice [21:01] cole_: backtrack has a support channel on this network: #remote-exploit [21:02] awww kool thanx nooper [21:02] right,Quiznos....when I saw my dad last,he was watchin' that [21:02] LnxSlck dont do it [21:03] nods [21:03] Quiznos: i deserve them [21:03] RipVanWi1kle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] LnxSlck vacation or shots? [21:03] learn to spel man [21:03] Quiznos: vacations as in hollidays [21:03] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] damn netsplits [21:04] testing [21:04] LnxSlck ok [21:04] Nick change: RipVanWi1kle -> RipVanWinkle [21:04] 1L [21:04] said from an American to a British gentleman..I'm on vacation..said the British back to the American..Great,is the job available?...:D [21:04] gn8 folk [21:04] Quiznos: my english isn t great [21:04] firedix (n=firedix@host63.200-45-153.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:05] i'm more concerend about your spelink [21:05] that's an excuse [21:05] :) [21:05] testing, am i me? [21:05] you are you [21:05] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [21:05] long hair and beard to the floor? [21:05] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [21:05] RipVanWinkle: nope, you're him ----> [21:05] yup [21:05] ok [21:05] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:06] god night pholks :-) [21:06] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:06] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [21:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] this laptop keeps lagging something awful [21:07] damn, tcp is all jmpy [21:07] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [21:07] too many ppl awake [21:08] videos jmpy [21:10] whats new on the slackware realm? [21:10] i went back to 12.2 [21:11] why? [21:11] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [21:11] it works here [21:11] and 13? [21:11] nop [21:11] x doesnt [21:11] that-s weird [21:11] yep [21:12] should be the same thing [21:12] nop [21:12] Action: lf4 is backing up his laptop so he can install 13.0 :D [21:12] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] what problem do you have with 13? [21:12] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) joined ##slackware. [21:12] hal and udev are suspected [21:12] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.207.19.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] pebkac all the way [21:13] RipVanWi1kle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] maybe this laptop is about to give up the ghost [21:15] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-238-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [21:15] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] oh well, it will make a great target for target practice [21:16] what' the prob with it? [21:16] cole_ (n=cole@89.193.58.44) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [21:18] it keeps losing connection [21:18] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] Nick change: RipVanWi1kle -> RipVanWinkle [21:18] now i am me [21:18] how is that an indicator of pending death? [21:18] J [21:19] another PC using the same wireless router for a connection is doing fine [21:19] it could be a stray electron [21:21] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:22] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [21:22] could be....electrons get strayed all the time [21:22] so, code.google.com is like the cool version of sourceforge? [21:23] :D seems to be [21:23] there's some pretty good stuff on there [21:26] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Hey thrice`! [21:28] helo [21:28] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hey, is there a way to connect to a computer via wifi and "chat" with that user? [21:28] blist [21:29] hmm, chrome for linux is getting better and better [21:29] caio (n=caio@190.6.103.24) left irc: "leaving" [21:29] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.85.89) joined ##slackware. [21:30] damn, my spidey sense tingles but my vulcan eye brows dont move [21:31] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Quiznos: vulcan eye brows don't move. That shows emotion. :) [21:31] they move [21:32] Spock's did [21:32] the newer vulcans are frauds :) like the early klingons (deformed) [21:32] heh [21:32] lol [21:32] the ones with the flat foreheads [21:32] yeah [21:32] and the "pretty" skin [21:32] lol [21:33] you remember that TNG episode? [21:33] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("..."). [21:33] no don't remember that one [21:33] TNG tribble episode [21:33] no not tng; it was DS9 [21:34] with Dax [21:34] It's been a while since I saw DS9 [21:34] yea same here [21:35] Ezri Dax was kinda cute [21:35] ep [21:35] y+ [21:35] I was waiting for her to bone Cisco's son [21:35] heh [21:35] but Nana Visitor ... [21:35] Jake's snake....:D [21:35] lol [21:36] How come we never saw Alexander (Warf's son) on DS9? [21:37] did he goto on the homeworld? [21:37] goto school [21:37] How many years was he supposed to spend in School? And he never got time off to visit his dad once? [21:37] duno [21:38] they probably couldn't get that actor who played grown up Alexander to come back [21:38] possib [21:40] he enlisted with the Klingon Defence Forces... http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Alexander_Rozhenko [21:40] ah [21:41] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:42] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [21:44] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.229.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:46] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:50] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] everyone is asleep [21:51] so [21:51] ZZZzzzzZZzz [21:51] y0 Cann0n [21:52] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:52] so fire|bird [21:52] what you doing? [21:52] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [21:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] LnxSlck_: nothing much, just working on kernels on the laptop. [21:52] Nick change: suid0_ -> suid0- [21:52] Nick change: suid0- -> suid0 [21:53] fire|bird: [21:53] kernels are such a pita [21:53] this one sure is. [21:53] what problems are you having [21:54] LUKS + LVM + initrd setup, and I get http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ENBTWw73.html [21:54] Nick change: kbrd -> kbrd____________ [21:55] too much for me [21:55] hey fire|bird [21:55] fire|bird: you need to add large-memory to lilo.conf [21:56] WOW, http://buzzcuts.uproxx.com/shock-video/8737 [21:56] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [21:57] XGizzmo: Hmm, ok, thank you. :) [21:57] close one,fire|bird...lol [21:58] MLanden: VERY close. :P [21:58] brave [22:00] fire|bird, did you make sure you specified the right options in the initrd? [22:00] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] that was fun my cable went out :( [22:02] mkinitrd -c -f ext4 -h /dev/cryptvg/swap -k 2.6.29.6-smp -m ext4 -o /boot/initrd.gz -r /dev/cryptvg/root -C /dev/sda2 -L [22:02] Stanto (n=S@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:03] IceW (n=sartori@189-18-160-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:03] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] -smp ? I thought you were on 64-bit [22:04] oh. if it's 64bit then no -smp at the end of the kernel version [22:04] but otherwise it should be pretty much identical [22:04] i've gotten slackware to work like this without much problem [22:05] so alienBOB's HOWTO works [22:05] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [22:05] er README_CRYPT.TXT [22:05] Hi everyone [22:05] :) [22:05] y0 gar0t0 [22:05] personally, i don't encrypt the entire hard drive though, mainly because it's a PitA, and because this slows the OS down and also causes hibernate to do weird stuff. [22:06] MLanden: fine ? [22:06] i encrypt only /home and swap [22:06] great gar0t0 thanks yourself ? [22:06] MLanden: i`m fine man! Brazil wins Argentina on Soccer [22:07] for me... fine great \o/ [22:07] ops [22:07] great for me [22:07] sorry* [22:07] awesome, gar0t0 [22:07] XGizzmo: \o/, that did the trick. Thank you. [22:07] No problem [22:07] TwinReverb: this works fine while installing, but myself messed with this for days with a custom kernel later using seperate initrd's, seperate /init-tree, and finaly had success with a combined initrd, same /initrd-tree, and not clearing the initrd-tree with -c [22:07] hmm, this is funny: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9ht8q/slackware_is_giving_away_free_copies_of_linux_vi/ [22:08] chopp, mkinitrd never gave me problems because you can specify -o [22:08] the initrd is the /boot/initrd.gz NOT the /boot/initrd/ [22:08] MLanden: Argentina dont classifyed for the World Cupa 2010 \o/ [22:08] you shouldn't need to specify output, etc [22:09] fire|bird: :) [22:09] y0 gar0t0, how's it going? [22:09] fire|bird: hey man, how are you? [22:09] TwinReverb: well perhaps you should ask fire|bird how he was successful [22:09] excellent, thanks. [22:09] fire|bird: I`m fine!! [22:09] gar0t0: great to hear. :) [22:09] :) [22:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [22:10] argentina lose the game \o/ [22:10] yesterday [22:10] \o/ [22:10] chopp, what, using -c ? [22:10] kwrt (n=root@221.193.114.62) joined ##slackware. [22:10] chopp: After a million kernel builds, large-memory ended up being the solution. :P [22:10] large-memory? [22:10] in lilo.conf, yeah [22:10] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:10] ananke: lol wow thats crazy [22:10] how much RAM do you have? [22:10] I`m thinking an port slackware to sh3 processor [22:10] TwinReverb: without -c [22:11] TwinReverb: 512MB [22:11] large-memory is needed for slack's 2.6.30.x [22:11] and 2.6.30.5 [22:11] o.O [22:11] not related to system memory, but what gets loaded by lilo [22:11] i use 2.6.30.5 just fine from here [22:11] Action: TwinReverb doesn't get it [22:11] not here it isn't 2.6.30.5 [22:11] RTfREADME [22:11] which readme? [22:11] sssssssigh [22:11] Anyone have sh3 processor ? [22:12] README_CRYPT.TXT? [22:12] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5/README_FIRST.TXT [22:12] thrice`: yeah mine is from kernel.org, not pats [22:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] so is mine, kernel.org [22:12] yeah, shoudln't matter much without an initrd [22:12] Action: TwinReverb shrugs because he hasn't had a problem with it, but will add the option nevertheless [22:12] i roll my own 2.6.30.5 [22:13] and if i compile it, i specify my CPU and shut off non-pc and genericx86 which results in a 50% smaller vmlinuz-test-2.6.30.5 [22:13] Action: TwinReverb adds the option [22:14] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:14] thrice`: I guess it depends on the bios huh? [22:14] well to be fair i never used the /testing so i never had problems with the initrd thing it mentions [22:14] nope, not really [22:15] the one in /testing will panic without it [22:15] i'm starting to get very tempted to roll my own slackware 13 ISO, sort of like a fine-tune of slackware 13, call it slacktop [22:15] well, may / probably will panic :) [22:15] thrice`: ok :) [22:16] compile everything 586 and up, some scripting, include powertop, not include servers, etc, target laptop users [22:16] fire|bird: are you from US no ? [22:16] gar0t0: yeah [22:16] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [22:17] fire|bird: when I sent money for you, you send me one Compact Flash 4Gb ? [22:18] Action: TwinReverb wishes he had a built-in CF reader [22:18] TwinReverb : what we'd need would be a 'slackware studio' :) [22:18] ananke, ? [22:18] fire|bird: ops [22:18] i tried suse studio, but had strange results [22:18] fire|bird: if I send money for you, you send me one Compact Flash 4gb? [22:18] :D [22:18] TwinReverb : novell/suse have a web based tool for creating similar projects [22:18] sorry, I`m Drunk [22:18] :D [22:19] ananke, so you basically roll your own ISO using their tool? [22:19] Baby^Angel_ (i=allien@41.236.13.68) left irc: Success [22:20] blackorca (n=blackorc@70.4.17.31) joined ##slackware. [22:20] fire|bird: take the deal! [22:20] TwinReverb : yep. you pick a base distro [sles/opensuse], then you pick whatever packages you want, some basic customization, and as a result you get a distro. possible formats are iso, xen image, hard drive image, etc [22:20] blacknaml (n=blacknam@fm-ip-118.137.115.185.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [22:21] i imagine the idea will be picked up by other distros [22:21] natural_mind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:21] fire|bird: just you can [22:21] :D [22:21] ananke, i was thinking a slackware type setup that's targeting laptop users, but oh well. i have ideas but i don't know if they would be useful to anyone. everything would be compiled 586 and -Os, servers would not be included apart from ones to file share with windows and mac users, skype and openoffice would be included with their permission, powertop, some customizations, maybe some scripting, i don't know though if it would be worth [22:21] people's time to use this instead of normal slackware [22:22] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:22] why -Os ? [22:22] powertop, wicd, luks documentation... [22:23] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.19.static.nextweb.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] thrice`, because laptops tend to not have as much hard drive space as desktops (but it's a stereotype i'm sure) and because processors with lots of L2 cache (pentium-M and such) should technically do very well with -Os (the theory is smaller binaries mean more code can be "seen" in L2 at a time, resulting in supposedly either better branch prediction and/or possibly some stuff fitting entirely into L2) [22:24] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-131-64.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] ananke, LUKS documentation is on the install media already [22:24] laptops not having much disk space? we're not in 1995. unless, of course, we're talking about netbooks [22:24] geez, even gentoo doesn't recommend -Os [22:24] Action: TwinReverb nods [22:25] thrice`, the kernel doc recommends -Os 8-) [22:25] Action: gar0t0 noob [22:25] gentoo users seem to stereotypically be about speed, i highly doubt they'd even consider -Os [22:25] Action: thrice` trusts gentoo over said "kernel doc" [22:26] you'd trust a community that once recommended -O3 ?! [22:26] i think you can get laptops with 160 to 300 gig drives nowadays, (laptops, not netbooks) [22:26] RipVanWinkle, true [22:26] where did they recommend -O3 ? [22:26] i remember hearing it once when they first came out [22:26] it's been forever [22:26] I think that old stereotype of "ricing" is looong dead. [22:26] optimizations come from USE flags, not cflags [22:26] it probably is, but it's worth mentioning [22:27] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:27] ohh, no. the stereotype remains. what might have changed is the actual distro/community [22:27] you can't really lean a premise on the actions of a community but i figured i'd dive into that with you 8-) [22:28] rufoz (n=chemical@189.4.70.49) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Action: ananke hears 'a ricer! a ricer! burn her!' [22:28] hey is the atom proc 586 or 686 or what? i know pentium-M is almost its own arch - is atom a continuation of that processor lineage? [22:28] I bet a lot of gentoo users run with common compiler flags [22:28] well, it's 686 [22:28] my friend tried that and failed to compile gentoo like twice. i just laughed and handed him a slackware dvd [22:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] I have a gentoo install without any issues :| [22:29] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.85.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] "unstable" even [22:29] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [22:30] I need to go [22:30] anyone else here hate people that bug you for video game codes? [22:30] this guy is a ubuntu n00b but i'm teaching him stuff, hopefully he'll see the slight (slackware + light) [22:30] see you ppj [22:30] "hey, look that up for me" [22:30] bye gar0t0 [22:30] 15 minutes later... (dial-up) [22:30] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.85.89) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] guys do you think this sata hub will work on linux? http://www.satadrives.com/sahub5muussi.html [22:31] thrice`: see you [22:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "RAH Im going to sleeeeep see all" [22:34] where is i can find and read good article for slackware hack? [22:34] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:34] define 'slackware hack' [22:34] loving with slackware [22:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] blacknaml, google "how to hack linux" [22:34] open the source code and reading line by line [22:34] or "how to secure slackware" [22:35] or "how to configure slackware" [22:36] ok, i try. [22:37] what's up with 'ok, i try' phrase, that only non-native english speakers use? [22:37] advice: i configured the public computer with slackware linux and it's set to wipe the user when rebooted. should i set it to reboot daily then? what do you guys think? [22:37] it seems that most of the time it's people from india and surrounding area [22:38] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] why not just use ~/.bash_logout do the cleanup, that should make a reboot unnecessary [22:38] TwinReverb : that depends on what you want to accomplish [22:38] a refresh of the user is what i want to accomplish [22:39] since it will wipe their history as well [22:39] i'm not sure where the automatic reboot comes in [22:39] (to protect people's privacy) [22:39] it wipes the user's /home flat [22:39] where i get a slackware magazine? [22:39] blacknaml, google [22:39] reboots should be reserved for new kernels, and sometimes even then can be avoided [22:40] but this is a public computer anyways [22:40] mancha : let's not start down that silly road, k? [22:40] uptime really doesn't matter on this machine honestly [22:40] TwinReverb : how much memory does it have? i wonder if tmpfs could work [22:40] rm'ing files doesn't justify a reboot [22:40] 3gb ram [22:41] silly road? take your asperger elsewhere, nothing silly about not requiring a reboot to rm (or securely wipe) files [22:41] i mean, maybe a cron job that wipes the user's stuff, but i worry about ~/.[a-z]* clobber [22:41] mancha : 'asperger'? your ghetto medical degree needs a refresher course [22:42] TwinReverb : do you know how much data will be stored in that user's home dir? [22:42] ananke, the goal is none [22:42] usually people only use firefox and skype, and no permanent storage is desired [22:42] anake, ok, sounds good. now take it elsewhere, i realize things are bad in your personal life but does that justify using ##slackware as your emotional outlet? [22:42] TwinReverb : sorry, i meant during the use of that account [22:42] oh, should be none. why would people store anything of consequence? it will get wiped anyways [22:42] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:43] mancha : don't be an idiot, and quit pretending you actually have a clue what's happening in my private life. [22:43] they don't have permissions to do much of anything anyways, not even to burn CDs [22:43] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [22:43] TwinReverb : so tmpfs could be the answer. it would be a guaranteed way of wiping it clean [22:43] anake, what part of not rebooting for a wipe of files is silly to you? [22:43] mancha, like you're not using the channel as your emotional outlet? [22:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:43] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] mancha, if you know so much about psychology why does harassing a user on an IRC channel work as therapy? [22:44] i say both of you place each other on /ignore and be done with it [22:44] i appreciate both of your advice and help but infighting doesn't help anyone [22:44] TwinReverb : of course, be sure to clean /tmp and /var/tmp entries too, if you want to protect user's privacy [22:44] ananke, i think i have it clearing /tmp but i'll make sure /var/tmp also gets cleared, thanks for the heads up [22:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] i'm wondering if maybe a daily cron job to dump certain things would work better [22:46] i've never played with tmpfs and it's working right now so i'm sort of against trying anything new if i can [22:46] tmpwatch utility may be useful [22:46] ~/.[a-z]* clobber shouldn't cause xfce or X to crash should it? [22:46] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:47] sweet, thanks, tmpwatch may be a solution as well [22:49] hey another thing i was wondering, the caching stuff now in the kernel under filesystems, are they working on a solution for laptop users that can keep filesystem writes in RAM so that hard drives can spin down? i've been modifying stuff in /proc and scripting things to try to achieve a full 30 minutes or longer hard drive spin-down to save power but so far no results [22:49] i mean, i did /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback, swappiness, hdparm, ext4 mount options, etc [22:50] using powertop, closing programs that access the disk often, but it seems i can never get to my goal of 3 hours (even cpufreq to powersave) [22:50] maybe your battery sucks [22:50] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] sounds like a question for a kernel type channel... [22:50] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:50] maybe, but still, apart from the battery, i can never get the hard drive to spin down longer than 30 minutes even with everything else [22:50] true, will ask there also [22:51] it's hard to track all the things that write. you might end up putting your drive through a lot of cycles [22:51] indonesian slacker comm, slackerbox.com [22:51] s/hard/nearly_impossible [22:52] i wish there was an option to force it all to RAM and force the drive to spin down [22:52] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-131-64.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1" [22:53] i mean, hdparm can force the drive down, but you can do dangerous stuff that way [22:53] and it'l turn on when needed [22:53] TwinReverb: ##kernel [22:53] ah [22:54] well no there's an option to make the drive act like you disconnected it altogether (have to reinitialize it to bring it back up) but like i said that can be dangerous if not insane [22:55] TwinReverb: there comes a point where thrashing your head against the wall, for the gain of 10 minutes of battery life, simply isn't worth it. [22:55] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] echo 1 > /sys/bus/scsi/A:B:C:D/delete [22:55] danc3, yeah i know [22:55] ok then [22:55] you could yank the device out that way, but i wouldn't recommend doing it for a live filesystem [22:55] i'm about to give up in about a minute then lol [22:56] buy a second battery, or a really long extension cord for your power supply [22:56] ananke, and using LUKS/LVM probably means the drive is always "live" and spinning [22:56] TwinReverb : it shouldn't matter any more than if it was a direct filesystem [22:56] oh, and in addition to the (possible) gain of 10 minutes of battery life, you add the (real) risk of data loss/corruption. It's really a no-brainer situation... [22:56] well i'm not sure how those things work at the physical / drive level, i should read [22:57] TwinReverb : lvm/luks doesn't change the fact that filesystems get flushed. either way, your disk will spin [22:57] they're cpec'd for certain cycles, whether power or load cycles [22:57] Action: TwinReverb is 1 minute away from giving up lol [22:58] specd even [22:58] each of those put the drive closer to its ultimate death [22:58] getting a newer laptop, with processor that uses less power, has newer battery, maybe ssd disk. that's how you'll get decent battery life [22:59] i know, i have a WD Scorpio Blue [22:59] yeah SSD would be awesome but they're expensive as @# [22:59] smaller ones are starting to be affordable [22:59] and those are spec'd at write cycles [23:00] are SSD drives comparable enough (in terms of longevity)? [23:01] for typical use, yes. 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[23:15] apparently whatever was wrong with the ath5k driver in slack 12.2 has been fixed in 13.0 [23:15] no more madwifi, yay [23:16] thats kernel-land, right? [23:16] hey, what irc client do you run inside your screen? [23:17] irssi [23:18] what's the default colonel ver in 12.2? [23:18] yeah, kernel-land. In slack 12.2, the card sort-of worked, but it'd freeze up & drop lots of packets [23:18] I disremember. 2.6.27 sound right? [23:18] 2.6.26.x ? or later [23:18] okay so somewhere in 2.6.27.x to 2.6.29.x they fixed it. no issues now at all? [23:19] none so far [23:19] Linux chestnut 2.6.29.5 #2 SMP Thu Jun 18 13:15:33 CDT 2009 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [23:19] my ath5k here works as a Managed mode [23:20] did it work in 2.6.27.x? [23:20] haha, it's an ugly setup. This box does the dnsmasq, but another one with madwifi is the actual access point. [23:20] don't think I tried it then [23:20] do you have ath5k as m, so you can hotswitch and compare SNR and other specs? [23:21] of course, I'm all about modules [23:21] my AP is ath5k [23:21] in fact this kernel is an older slackware64-current generic [23:22] mancha: yah, but I haven't yet built madwifi for this kernel [23:22] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:22] I ain't gots times to be compilin' no kernels! [23:22] chopp has ath5k running in master mode? [23:23] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) joined ##slackware. [23:24] rob0: yes have been for quite some time, but using an linux-wireless 2.6.30-rc6 kernel [23:24] waiting for 2.6.31 [23:25] then I won't have to be using the linux-wireless tree [23:25] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.39.36) joined ##slackware. [23:26] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [23:26] I'm using "i915.modeset=1" to get KMS. Everything works beautifully, flipping between X and VCs is fast and fancy. However, when I suspend to RAM, it glitches out such that about half of the screen is clear (except for the occasional bit of text), and the other half is all glitchy (the right colors, generally, but completely messed up). Anyone deal with this before? [23:26] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:26] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i can't remember on the full install of slack does it come with lm sensors? [23:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:27] omnipotentduo, look in the PACKAGES.TXT [23:27] that lists out all the packages [23:28] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] lm_sensors is part of a full install [23:28] brian1 (n=brian@c-76-30-122-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] __lupo__ (n=lupo@187.39.98.225) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] whats a good size for /boot partition to install slackware on crypted partitions? [23:30] powtrix: not enough info given for anyone to be able to answer the question [23:30] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] ? [23:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] powtrix: how do we know how big your HD is? How do we know the intended use of the computer? Do you intend to add/compile more kernels? [23:31] figure 2-4MB per kernel? [23:31] I mean the uncrypted partition size [23:31] powtrix: did you read what I just asked? [23:31] 32 MB should be way overboard unless you're doing REALLY weird stuff [23:32] danc3, yes, but i didn't understand a bit [23:32] powtrix: ok then, good luck [23:32] My kernel, the stuff included with the kernels, initrd.gz, and exploded initrd (/boot/initrd-tree directory) are under 10 MB. [23:32] is there something special about the /boot partition, when using encrypted root? Normally /boot can be tiny [23:33] So 30mb is safe for a /boot (default + testing kernel) [23:33] bigger than it needs to be, so yeah [23:34] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Im reading README_CRYPT.TXT and its say /boot should not be crypted [23:34] says* [23:34] you could answer the question yourself by looking at /boot on an existing install [23:35] right, because LILO has to be able to read the kernel, which lives in /boot (and LILO can't decrypt it) [23:35] right [23:36] ill test it in vbox :) [23:36] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:36] UrchLap: an existing install may not have a seperate /boot partition.... so looking at that may not be much help. [23:36] none of my many machines have a seperate /boot [23:37] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:37] but looking at how much /boot takes up will help [23:37] true [23:37] oh [23:38] yeah, ok [23:38] heh [23:38] danc3: yah, "du" or whatever [23:38] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-119-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [23:38] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [23:38] 24M here for /boot [23:39] powtrix: my lvm/luks install presently has two initrd's, and two initrd-tree's, and is using 35M [23:39] you probably have 4-5kernels [23:40] hmm thanks for the info [23:41] manymore (n=manymore@ip68-231-121-128.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] yeah I've got 5 in there, the 4 stock ones and the one I do myself [23:41] my mental arithmetic didn't let me down then [23:41] nod [23:44] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ugh. mach64 3d hardware accel finally works again, but wasn't worth the trouble :( [23:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:56] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] meseems I spake too soon [23:57] korg815` (n=user@bas8-london14-1279317390.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:57] glxgears works [23:57] sp[ao]ke [23:57] eduke32 locks up the box, with the keyboard LEDs flashing [23:57] kernel panic [23:57] naw, I was going for Shakespearian english [23:58] antiwire: well, I was running the eduke32 built for slack 12.2, I suppose I'll wait for it to recompile and try again [23:58] (and it will probably explode again) [00:00] --- Mon Sep 7 2009