[00:03] lasers are fun... stun guns can get messy, with the vomit triggering and all [00:04] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.176.74) joined ##slackware. [00:04] anything up to 100,000 volts is tolerable though [00:04] lol [00:04] well, true... but that wasn't the point =p [00:05] gotta go over 100k to make someone really stop otherwise they just get pissed [00:05] how about 50 volts at 100 amps ... [00:06] *poof* [00:06] problem solved [00:06] hahahahahaha [00:06] since we are talking about cats here i figure kitty-kabob [00:06] lol [00:06] but i want to keep the cats alive >.> [00:06] now air tasers....that's where it's at [00:06] i want an air taser [00:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [00:07] those are the ones that launch out the spikes with wires attached [00:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] don't tase me bro [00:10] spikes and wires .. sounds dangerous [00:10] it's great [00:10] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@adsl-75-50-44-62.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] lol [00:10] don't taze me bro! [00:11] UnixDawg (n=UnixDawg@24-197-207-168.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] Action: dtanner sips coffee and has a puff of a stogie [00:12] damn why does making vds seem like a bitch to me , it is the shrinking to fit on a 4 Gig blank and getting it right to burn so a stand-alone dvd player can read it [00:12] i have good beer [00:12] s/vds/dvds/ [00:12] dude [00:12] k9copy [00:12] it does the deal [00:12] installing now [00:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:14] Action: andarius tazers all near by :P [00:14] lucky for /me I'm wearing tin-foil, moo haa ha [00:14] umm, so you want it to go to your brain? [00:14] foil is conductive :P [00:14] doesn't everbody [00:15] :) [00:15] "Thank you Sir may I haz another" [00:15] perhaps more like "thank you sir, may i taze another" :O [00:15] hee hee [00:15] Action: andarius plugs that puppy in and gets to tazin [00:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Reconnecting" [00:16] LOL [00:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] later all [00:16] night [00:17] later andarius [00:17] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i shall taze the with all my heart... and then taze you some more :)" [00:17] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] lol [00:18] i've never been tased but i have been stungunned [00:18] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] did you lock up and fall to the ground without the ability to break your fall? [00:19] lol [00:19] damn [00:19] wtf did you get stunned for? [00:19] nah [00:20] zapboy! [00:20] it was 100k stungunn [00:20] how high do they go [00:20] i need help installing, for some reason setup doesn't recognize my ext3 partition [00:20] 100KV? [00:20] lol [00:20] 100,000V [00:20] lol, he got stungunned... /me says that explains alot :) [00:20] i swear nullboy... you just pissed off the wrong girl ^_^ [00:20] lol [00:21] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.158.211) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [00:21] you feel it that's for sure but it's not enough to really make you stop if you're really determined [00:21] eddief2 (n=eddie@68.160.219.171) joined ##slackware. [00:21] or on pcp [00:21] i guess that makes sense, thats about a 3cm arc [00:21] heh, I will take your word on that nullboy :) [00:21] not like what you see on tv with guys getting hit by a real taser with wires [00:21] since dry air is ~30kv/cm [00:22] 30,000 volts breaks a cm... [00:22] kkkyle (n=kyleisca@dialup-4.224.207.219.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] gotta love corona discharge [00:22] is it not possible to install with a harddrive a source after i boot from a usb drive? [00:23] yes it is [00:23] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:23] ? [00:23] translation nullboy? [00:23] well setup doesn't see it, and fdisk doesn't work at all [00:23] you would use the option to install from a mount directory [00:23] mounted* [00:24] if the disk is not showing up in fdisk you have either a disk issue, a controller driver issue, or a connectivity issue [00:24] thats what i tried! it wouldnt let me select that option it just went back to the main setup menu [00:25] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:25] in the readme it says fdisk bugs out with usb boot [00:25] before I run setup, I # mkdir -p /tmp/my-partition-with-packages (then I cd over there and make sure I have directory names correct, I write them on sticky pad) then I run setup, use the hd option , works like a charm. rememeber the last / after slackware in teh path :) [00:26] so I mkdir and mount the partition first. confirm with mount command it shows up, and you're golden [00:27] i would do that but theres no partition detected to do that on =/ [00:27] is writeable, so you cannot mount it there [00:27] the / is not [00:27] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon125709.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:28] in /tmp is bold green in color in 'ls' so that signifies it's writeable there [00:28] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT doesn't mention installing from hd at all, just from the network [00:28] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:28] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-ee6692054749c8ba) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:28] so write it then [00:28] Pyrepenol: well I can assure you I have done it, since the installer for 12.2 does _not_ work for my netbook. And that is exactly how I did 10 of them :) [00:28] my netbooks, were all booted from usb installer [00:29] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon125709.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:29] okay i'm probably just a retard then. ill try what you said and see how it goes [00:30] Pyrepenol: when you boot up on usb right...where it says, type setup to continue right...well just cd to /tmp okay, then type ls and you'll see green there. that means you can mount stuff there. [00:30] alright i gotcha [00:30] read / write to it, meaning that 'mkdir -p /tmp/some-partition-name' will work, then 'mount /dev/some-partition-name /tmp/some-partition-name' will work [00:33] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Restarting KDE" [00:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:35] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-150.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:45] ya know, that's some black magic math right there lol [00:46] heret|c_ (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-163.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:52] I can't seem to get Amarok to open .m3u playlists whose encoding is utf-8 (They open, but songs whose filenames contain international characters are unplayable.) Changing the default encoding in KDE Control Center to utf-8 doesn't really help. Has anyone experienced this? Over in #Amarok, the best we can figure is that this isn't an Amarok problem, but a system setting problem. What is Slackware's default Locale and encoding? [00:53] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [00:54] This may also be related to Konsole being unable to display international characters as well. And X-Chat has never shown them for me. For curiosity, what does this character show up as for you? é [00:54] nathanbw: try changing your system locale to a utf8 one in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh and then log out / in and see what happens [00:54] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] é shows just fine. [00:55] rworkman, awesome. Thanks for the help. This whole entire Locale/encoding thing has been bugging me for years. I don't really understand how the current system works, but all I know is I've been bitten by it one too many times :-p [00:56] Did that work?? [00:57] Still reading lang.sh. I'm actually curious what the warning is about programs that still don't work with a utf8 locale. Is there a list of known issues anywhere? [00:58] You can probably ignore that. I've been running straight utf8 for almost two years. [00:59] How else would I type stuff like São Paulo? :) [00:59] hmm [00:59] rworkman, brilliant. Thanks. In order to be running under the new settings, how far should I log out? Just restart KDE (default runlevel is 4 here) or do I need to reboot? [00:59] all i see are ? and usually pidgin displays everything [01:00] nathanbw: hrm, I'm not sure about runlevel 4. Try a "normal" logout and after gettting back in, open a terminal and type "echo $LANG" [01:00] I sometimes get this weird little square box which has some characters like A0001 in it. [01:00] rworkman, right. Thanks a million for your help, I've got a good feeling this will work :-D [01:00] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "back soon" [01:00] Here's hoping :) [01:01] nullboy: yeah, that's odd. [01:01] rworkman: permission to pm? (offtopic) [01:01] sure [01:01] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Hahaha [01:04] oh dear. [01:04] comp__ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:05] That fixed Amarok (and KWrite and Kate and Konsole) but messed up Konqueror [01:05] figures :/ [01:06] so, like, the filenames with special characters aren't displaying properly in konqueror or Konsole [01:06] But the list of files with special characters works [01:06] haha [01:06] this is craziness [01:06] ImmutableDark (n=m0@c220-237-99-49.randw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] craziness? This... is... oh, nevermind. [01:09] lol [01:09] Action: jkwood watches at least three nerds lose an erection as he doesn't follow through with the meme [01:10] l33l (i=l33l@gateway/tor/x-81ecec2cefca182c) left irc: "Leaving" [01:10] Damn, well I guess I have to rename the files. I mean, I can 'touch é' and it dutifully creates a file called é. [01:10] eh? [01:11] hey does anyone know how to take the audio track from an flv video file and turn it into an mp3 or ogg? [01:11] i know someone in here is a ffmpeg/mencoder masta [01:11] oh... [01:11] use avidemux =p [01:12] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] that's how i usually do it... [01:12] Necos, touch é ; ls -> é. ls /music/ : ... Michael Bubl\351 [01:12] nullboy: mplayer can do it, I just don't remember how offhand. [01:12] mplayer has an -ao option that will let you write to file [01:13] That's the one. [01:13] sweet thanks [01:13] but i'll try avidemux too [01:14] oh, btw, if using mplayer, use -vo null (no video out) [01:14] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] mplayer -quiet -vo null -vc null -af volume=0,resample=44100:0:1 -ao pcm:waveheader "$i" should work I think and from there via lame I'd say :) [01:17] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Client Quit [01:17] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Has anyone played a Matroska mk? movie with mplayer? [01:18] All I get is the audio, no video. [01:18] works fine for me [01:18] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] what does the mplayer log say ? [01:18] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-a3db117a8d0bf4b4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] cos mkv is usually very high def ... maybe it is out of your comp's league [01:18] :P [01:19] Sheepishly I have to say it's been a long time since I tried, and failed. I don't remember. [01:19] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:19] ? [01:20] It did work more than a year ago. I may have used an older version of mplayer. I just don't remember the details. But thanks for letting me know that it plays for you. [01:20] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:21] eddief2: try -vo x11 [01:21] check what mplayer says when you run it [01:21] got it thanks [01:21] mplayer -vo x11 file.mkv [01:21] right on nullboy [01:21] Necos: are you sure ? X11 is the one with video acceleration iirc [01:22] or isn't it ? [01:22] xv is, x11 is plain, i think >.> [01:22] OK, I'm going to power up the other computer and try it out. Need 5 minutes. Be back... [01:23] LOL [01:23] mplayer -vo null -vc dummy -ao pcm:waveheader:file="output.wav" "input.flv" then use lame to turn it into an mp3: lame -V0 -h -b 160 -vbr-new input.wav output.mp3 [01:23] failblog is hours of entertainment [01:23] in theory you could -ao to console and pipe it directly to lame [01:23] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] DUH! It WORKS!!! I have been unable to play it in about 2 years. My other machine has 12.0, KDE, and mplayer 1.0 rc2 4.1.2. I don't know what's going on. [01:29] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:30] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:30] good night peeps [01:30] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [01:30] When I hit F for fullscreen, the window goes full screen but the movie is the same size as it is before fullscreen. [01:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.108) joined ##slackware. [01:36] you need -zoom [01:37] i just set them in gmplayer and use gmplayer -zoom (but i think you can set that in mplayer.conf or whatever [01:37] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] kkkyle (n=kyleisca@dialup-4.224.207.219.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [01:40] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Necos, -zoom thanks. I can't get over the fact that now after all this time the movie plays. I thought the file was damaged. [01:41] did you try with -vo x11? [01:42] Necos, yes, -vo x11 and -zoom work perfectly. Also works without -vo... What is the benefit in x11? [01:42] What benefit in specifying -vo x11? [01:43] oh, -vo x11 just doesn't use hardware acceleration, from what i remember [01:43] some video drivers have problems with it [01:43] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [01:43] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Client Quit [01:45] Well to my utter surprise it once again plays with and without -vo. [01:45] rworkman: did you get that in pm? [01:45] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77329.html <--- this is sort of a reference (to see what other people do with mplayer.conf) [01:46] Action: dartmouth curses his wifi [01:46] wifi loves me [01:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:49] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-180.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [01:49] really nullboy? just stunguns hate you, eh? [01:51] Necos, that link looks good. I have also been unable to run mplayer in console mode. The screen goes black and and I can't switch to another console. I have to reboot. That link may have what I need to play movies in non-X mode. [01:52] cool :) [01:53] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Are you able to play movies with mplayer in console mode? [01:54] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:55] you need aalib to do that [01:55] or do you mean mplayer vs gmplayer? [01:56] Necos: Nope. [01:56] You can play movies in console with mplayer without using aalib. [01:57] really now? that's news to me [01:57] last time i used svga for that but that was a couple of years ago, worked just fine [01:57] I believe it uses svgalib. [01:57] Ficthe (n=grieve@70.92.3.35) joined ##slackware. [01:57] last time i tried that, i had to use aalib, but that was like '05 [01:58] yes it can use framebuff or svgalib (but that dont work if you dont rebuild svgalib if you slap a new kernel in) [01:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.108) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] speaking of aalib, I miss bb, the demo that used to come with it. That was just cool [01:59] I just executed a long command which required root privileges.. now I am root - is there a shortcut to re-enter that command without typing? the bash history is respective that of the root account.. not the one with which I entered the command I want to reiterate [01:59] note: svgalib being built touches all your files, so only do that on dev box (in case anyone reading) :) [02:00] Ficthe: try this, tail -n 1 /home//.bash_history [02:00] Ficthe: use the control and r key : then type part of it, adn it will show up [02:00] lol [02:00] tehn hit enter to exec it, or a right arrow to put it on cursor line, and then you can edit it [02:00] ctrl+r.... damn, why didn't i think of that :) [02:00] http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html if you haven't been there might be useful,dunno [02:00] Necos: :) [02:00] Old_Fogie, doesn't ctrl + r also search the bashhistory of the account that executed that command? [02:01] i've been writing way too many perl 1-liners [02:01] (I'll give it a shot anyway, sec) [02:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:01] yep learned about ctrl + r just about a year ago..it's been a lifesaver in some cases hehe [02:01] Ficthe: yes it's history for the user that calls ctrl + r ; but *noone* other than root can read root history anyhow, so you have to su no matter what [02:01] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:02] my bash-fu is weak :( [02:02] I think I've found a potential solution: sudo !! [02:02] solution to what? [02:02] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c4edcdb92176bf75) joined ##slackware. [02:02] sudo is annoying [02:02] executing the command with root after having su'ed [02:02] ummm, no [02:03] sudo is to run commands _WITHOUT_ switching to root =p [02:03] if you really wanted everything to run as root, might as well setuid everything [02:04] Action: Old_Fogie has no idea what Ficthe is trying to accomplish (and not sure he wants too :) [02:04] Action: Necos thinks Old_Fogie wants a keg of beer [02:05] not me, bed time soon. but thanks for the offer heh [02:05] Old_Fogie, _not_root_user$: ; $ su; (at this point I don't want to re-enter -- I was wondering if there was some sort of a trick to deal with this [02:05] it wasn't an offer... i knew you'd refuse so i can take it for myself :) [02:05] Ficthe: copy and paste? [02:05] hackedhead, I'll have to touch my mouse? no deal :( [02:05] fair enough =] [02:06] so far, the most elegant solution is indeed sudo !! [02:06] tail -n 1 /home//.bash_history | sh [02:06] >.> [02:06] Necos wins. [02:06] haha [02:06] Ficthe: is the command a command that needs to be executed as root or not? [02:06] Old_Fogie, yes [02:07] Action: Necos thinks his solution works really well... [02:07] as a matter of fact, you could make an alias in .bashrc for it, i think.... [02:07] Action: hackedhead does too, will have to remember that [02:08] .. i dunno about that, i dont think i'd se it _that_ often [02:08] alias runlast="tail -n 1 /home/necos/.bash_history | sh" [02:08] are you guys joking? How in the name of good earth is that more efficient than copy-pasta by mouse-middle-click? [02:08] buyer beware lol [02:08] eddief2 (n=eddie@68.160.219.171) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] Ficthe: by not having to go to your mouse? [02:08] Ficthe: ah ok, well then sudo is the way to exec it without needing to su - ; but you could make it a bash script , put the commnds in there, edit the sudoers with the file, then when you want to run that command run ~/.Ficthe/bin/somescript.sh and be done; heck you can make a desktopicon for it, or a quick launch icon too :) [02:08] how the hell is using sudo for something it's not meant to do? ;) [02:09] .. exactly as you mentioned earlier 0_o [02:09] hackedhead, well, ultimately I'm trying to find a solution that'll take the least time so I can incorporate it into my everyday bash'ing tasks [02:09] then my method still wins =p [02:09] a la alias [02:09] Ficthe: the fastest way is to su - _before_ typing the command out the first time. ;-] [02:09] hackedhead, well.. people forget sometimes :) [02:10] Ficthe: I have in an alias to shutdown the pc, which does that. [02:10] see =p [02:10] right, but don't over-optimize solutions to edge cases [02:10] its not worth the effort [02:10] aanyway. hackedhead should get to bed [02:10] somethings like my wifi, shutdown, and backup the pc's it sure comes in handy :) [02:11] laters all. [02:11] bye hackedhead [02:11] later hackedhead [02:11] Action: Necos prods Old_Fogie [02:11] Action: Old_Fogie giggles [02:11] heh [02:12] =p [02:12] there are some nice netbook / laptop deals on fatwallet [02:13] probably all them netbook manufacturer's clearing them all out to bring in 10.1" models coming out real soon. [02:14] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [02:14] i'm thinking of getting a semi-portable box to take with me when i go out to do landscape shoots, so i don't have to wait til i get home [02:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Necos: if you get a netbook, just get extra batteries. You'll be shocked how fast 2 hrs go bye. [02:17] i wouldn't have it on all the time, it'd basically be right before i leave, to make sure i don't need to re-take any shots [02:18] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554036-REG/Tokina_ATX116PRODXN_11_16mm_f_2_8_AT_X_116.html <--- getting myself one of these next month :) [02:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Gatton (n=jason@cpe-075-191-183-168.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Necos: good grief that's alot of money. Do you do that for a living? [02:20] that's actually relatively cheap... [02:20] nope, hobby landscape photography [02:20] if you want to see a lot of money... [02:20] yeah cameras and accesories are always outrageos [02:21] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/551436-REG/Sigma_597306_200_500mm_f_2_8_EX_DG.html [02:22] oh nice, "I'll take 3 please" :) [02:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K77UvaiHii0 <--- [02:22] lol [02:22] .... [02:22] (just added myself in sudoer, "sudo !!" seems to work well for me :)) [02:23] Action: Necos stabs Ficthe [02:23] sudo bandage won't work :) [02:24] i'm just building my set of f2.8 glass... i'm starting small tho lol [02:24] Old_Fogie: what you suggested didn't work :( [02:24] have a 50mm f1.8 portrait lens [02:24] i used dmesg and my hard drive gets an error saying "unknown partition table" [02:24] getting the 11-16mm next, then a 17-55mm f2.8 if i'm lucky, then the 70-200mm f2.8... and then i'm done lol [02:25] that's about 2-3k worth of glass already :) [02:25] fast lenses don't come cheap huh :-) [02:25] nope! [02:25] but it's worth it in the long run [02:25] i actually need to get a 35mm f2... but that's $400 [02:26] my 50 is too long for 1/2-full body shots [02:26] Pyrepenol: is that partition even formatted correctly? If so, which type? [02:27] or maybe the sigma 30mm 1.4 if i can get a good deal [02:27] it has two, my main ntfs windows partition, and a ext3 partition. [02:27] Pyrepenol: ok , so the ext3 partition is the one that has the rsync of slackware on it? [02:28] not anymore, i just burned it to a dvd to see if it would install then [02:28] Pyrepenol: is it an IDE hard drive or SATA drive [02:29] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/381616-REG/Sigma_300306_30mm_f_1_4_EX_DC.html <--- this one [02:29] SATA. could the fact that its in a hardware raid config have anything to do with it? [02:29] Necos which Nikon DSLR do you have? [02:29] and yes i used sda not hda [02:29] shooting with a D50 [02:29] great camera [02:30] gonna build my glass collection first, before getting a new body [02:30] Pyrepenol: a raid? I dont know to be honest with you on that. But normally for a SATA drive, you can do "cfdisk /dev/sda" and see what's going on (fdisk too) [02:30] i've heard nothing bug great things about it [02:30] D50 is old, but damn good :) [02:30] it's been out for a while hasn't it? [02:30] '05 [02:31] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/247091-USA/Nikon_2137_Normal_AF_Nikkor_50mm.html <--- the fastest lens i own so far :( [02:31] do you use your 50mm a lot? seems like that would be a good "all around" lens [02:31] Pyrepenol: my netdisk has ntfs (win xp home), swap, ext3 as home and ext3 as / . So when I booted that up, it really was mkdir /tmp/blah-blah && mount /dev/blah-blah to /tmp/blah-blah. I mean I've been doing that for over two years now. So I guess it has to be that raid. [02:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] i just got it a couple of weeks ago, it's an ok lens... but the prime can get annoying lol [02:32] Old_Fogie: well as far as i know the raid controller doesn't need any software drivers.. so i dont know how it could be a problem [02:33] right now, i have 18-70 f3.5-4.5, 55-200 f4-5.6, 70-300 f4-5.6 [02:33] in addition to the 50 f1.8 [02:34] are the others Nikkor or Sigma? [02:34] Old_Fogie: i could be wrong though, it's my motherboards onboard controller maybe its different [02:34] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] only the 55-200 is sigma, the other are nikkors [02:34] Pyrepenol: unknown partition type usually means that, it doesnt know what it is. typically that'll happen for a file system the kernel isnt configured to know of, or if it's bad [02:34] but they're so slow :( [02:35] Action: Gatton isn't sure he should be talking to Necos. He's gonna want to buy a camera again lol [02:35] hahahaha [02:35] i've been having fun with flickr since i started photography last august ^_^ [02:35] My old Olympus SLR is gathering dust. But at least it's a $300 camera gathering dust and not a $1200 one lol [02:35] Old_Fogie: what would i have to do to fix it? format the drive? [02:35] lol gatton [02:35] what's your flickr id? [02:35] D50 costs $250 now ^_~ [02:36] Pyrepenol: well I tell ya this tho, if you boot up in that DVD, get Slackware installed right..one day for the heck of it, try to boot up on the DVD and mount your Slackware's / in /tmp like I told you. AS the DVD can be used to boot a bad box and so you can fix things on the / of a system that's loaded. [02:36] oh well that's different lol [02:36] teddy_c :) [02:36] but it's like razors. the money's in the blades (lenses) lol [02:36] but i got mine, and the first 3 lenses for free... my buddy gave it to me since he bought a EOS 40D [02:36] *an EOS 40D [02:36] hiall. i just connected wlan on slack12.2 - nice that the wifi led now is flashing on traffic. is there a way how i can reduce this to 'on connection attempt' .. as now if im in irc or jabber it's flashing constantly... [02:37] hmmm, that didn't work exactly the way i wanted to :) [02:37] Pyrepenol: well now at this point, if I were you, boot the DVD , and I'd have the Slackware installer reformat the partition that you want Slackware installed onto. To "play" it safe, as you had ext3 on there before, and for whatever reason the installer didn't like it. so during the setup, you'll have the option to format it when the installer asks what you want the / of Slackware to be installed onto anyhow. [02:37] wierd! [02:40] you know, 1/30 @ f1.8 with 800 ISO actually produces a useable shot lol [02:40] at some point i need to post the photos i've taken with the 50mm [02:40] gonna make a set, just for that [02:40] Old_Fogie: if the installer doesn't see the partitions does that mean i'll have to format the drive? [02:41] try using one of the different kernels to boot from? with more fs support? >.> [02:41] man i haven't logged into flickr in forever. amazed i remembered my id! trying to figure out if there's a way i can bookmark your photostream in my profile or something [02:42] yeah, you can just add me to your contacts ya goof :) [02:43] oh yea lol [02:43] Pyrepenol: if the installer doesn't seem them, it's possible that you didn't make the slice right for the installer to see a place to go to. For example, if you use cfdisk on it, when you tell it to make a parition, it only makes it as 83 (type linux); it's just an unformatted hunk. then when you run the installer, it sees that empty space as a possible space and you select that as the destination partition, and then the ins [02:43] alright mr. the third you are added [02:43] lol [02:44] oh gatton... [02:44] baondJ, that's the guy that has the 40D [02:44] oh ok. another fine camera [02:45] that camera runs circles around my D50 :) [02:45] and he can do B/W in-camera [02:45] all sorts of crazy settings [02:46] probably so but i'm a fan of buying yesterday's state of the art. it's cheaper and still darn good [02:46] he needs to get better glass... [02:46] only has the 50mm f1.8 and 28-135 3.5-5.6 [02:46] Old_Fogie: man i knew linux was a challenge to pick up on, but i at least expected the installation to go well >< [02:47] not if you had bad hardware Pyrepenol [02:47] lol [02:47] windows works fine on the exact same setup! [02:47] that's apples and oranges =p [02:48] pebkac [02:48] apples and horribly complicated oranges [02:48] Pyrepenol: I've found starting with a "windows" only drive at first, that occupies the entire drive , and needing it to split up always a pain. Even in my windows days if I wanted let's say win 98 and win 2k onboard. Fortunately, I had partition magic, booted the floppy and it "just worked". Resizing ntfs is a pita. Dont worry it'll get easier. review slackbook.org if you get time, has good pointers for the installer itse [02:48] it's only as complicated as you let it be. [02:48] nah, the oranges are rather simple, it's an illusion [02:49] and Old_Fogie you should check out gparted. works like a charm [02:49] i was about to mention gparted also. it's simple to use and gives you a nice graphical picture of your partitions [02:49] I've found gparted awesome for everything _but_ ntfs fwiw. [02:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:49] works fine for ntfs for me [02:49] i used it tonight to shrink my windows partition so i could install 5.4 [02:49] Old_Fogie: thats exactly what i did, partition magic and all. it doesnt make sense [02:50] but, last time I used it , probably a year and half ago; so I dunno maybe times changed. I got the partition magic for it. works. [02:50] http://www.flickr.com/photos/baondj/3024472778/ <--- one of my fave pics gatton =p [02:50] Pyrepenol: oh did you use part magic to make the ext3? [02:50] bao is also one of my coworkers... been friends for like 10-12 yrs now [02:51] very nice Necos. is that color from the darkness or is it touched up in gimp? [02:51] plus I dig the WRX :-) [02:51] that's his car >.> the bastard [02:51] lol [02:51] Old_Fogie: yes [02:51] he shot that with his 40D [02:51] straight from the camera [02:51] jeez! nice cameras and cars. next you'll be telling me he has a hot wife/gf ;-) [02:52] nah, he's single... but hell, the camera and the car will outlast mosts relationships these days =p [02:52] very nice shot from in camera. i really like the composition and the mood [02:52] yeah, that's the same place they shot Italian Job [02:53] Pyrepenol: what I do is, have partition magic just resize the windows ntfs drive right, and _not_ let partition magic make any extended partitions, nothing, just leave it all as "empty space". Then the Slackware DVD boot up, "cfdisk /dev/sda" ; then I use the cfdisk to make two empty slices/partitions in that "big" empty space that Partition Magic made me. Then the tables are setup right. Partition magic is frigged up for l [02:54] hope that makes sense [02:55] Old_Fogie: it make sense, but i don't know if itll help since it never even detected ntfs partition [02:55] If memory serves me correctly here, Partition magic isn't even in business anymore, got bought out by Symantec. So they're cold is old as hell for linux partitions. [02:55] gatton, he's much better at composition than i am :) [02:55] Necos, some people just have the knack. my cousin's daughter takes amazing pictures with a digital point and shoot [02:55] symantec just rebagged it [02:56] gatton, but that's part of the fun in practicing [02:56] Pyrepenol: oh you'll know when you boot that DVD and dmesg should report something, fdisk should report stuff too. If not, then it's a disk controller issue I'd think [02:56] Old_Fogie: i think i found the problem though.. apparantly my raid controller isn't actually fully hardware http://tinyurl.com/yncwd7 [02:57] ewww [02:57] Necos, i agree. i am going to go hiking this weekend and i think i'll take my little canon digital and practice some [02:57] Pyrepenol: I'm not the goto guy on that stuff :) [02:58] wooot :) [02:58] post to flickr [02:58] Old_Fogie: thats okay, i found a guide to get it working with my setup, hopefully it works! [02:58] it's raining like hell in los angeles right now, so i won't be shooting this weekend [02:58] Pyrepenol: I'll keep my fingers and toes X'd for you :) [02:58] unless i can find some perches safe from water :) [02:59] Old_Fogie: :D ill be back. hopefully on a different os. [02:59] supposed to be gorgeous here in NC. i don't mind rubbing that in since you guys in LA have so many days of nice weather lol [02:59] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: [02:59] hahahahaha [02:59] winter finally caught up with us [02:59] my stepdad actually has fam in NC/SC... [03:00] hoping to head out that way for the first way this coming august [03:00] ugh. i want to move away from here every august lol [03:00] so hot and humid [03:00] well, i get to go to brooklyn after that trip if i do go [03:01] 'cause him and my mom go to LA -> SC -> BK -> LA [03:01] quite a round trip :-) [03:01] yeah, his sister works for AA i think [03:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:03] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:03] i am digging baondj's photos too. i have never been able to capture the lighting like that. very sharp stuff [03:05] night guys [03:05] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:06] yeah, that's the difference a lens makes [03:06] and a body like the 40D >.> [03:06] yea that doesn't hurt lol [03:07] i'm digging the price of the Nikon D40 though [03:07] D40 is crap tho... =p [03:07] well compared to what? lol [03:07] unless you only gonna buy AF-S lenses [03:07] yea there's that [03:08] if you're going to start out with a good nikon, go D50 / D80 [03:08] you can get new D80s for ~600 [03:08] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:09] and you're not limited to AF-S [03:09] some of the really old-but-good-glass is not AF-S [03:09] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:11] well that does suck being limited [03:12] yea [03:12] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [03:14] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [03:15] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.221) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hi [03:15] i always wanted to get into DSLRs, but it was cost prohibitive lol [03:15] ugh after 3am. must enter regeneration cycle [03:15] but getting the D50 for free really made it worth my while [03:15] lol [03:15] word [03:16] i'll be watching your flickr page Necos. thanks for sharing [03:16] talk to you guys later [03:16] word, peace man [03:16] Gatton (n=jason@cpe-075-191-183-168.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:17] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:18] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:20] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] ubublues (n=ubublues@89-97-102-200.ip17.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:31] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:52] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/awesome/ :) [03:53] zoran119: There's been a discussion on the slackbuilds.org mailing list about that same subject very recently. [03:53] oh, sorry, I see my mistake ;) [03:54] http://lists.slackbuilds.org/pipermail/slackbuilds-users/2009-February/003809.html [03:57] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslb-088-070-022-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:58] http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s229/LeetGoose/zerg_rush.jpg [03:59] http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o313/Varanty/fishy.jpg ;) [04:01] Camarade_Tux: =D [04:01] jkwood, thanks [04:02] zoran119: Happy to help. [04:02] jkwood, just had a look. i would like to make my own slackbuild (the first one) to try it out [04:02] jkwood, have to figure out the xcb... got an error trying to compile with just adding --enable-xcb [04:03] jkwood, not sure what else i need [04:04] I have no idea. I just remember seeing it on the mailing list, I didn't mess with it myself. [04:05] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:08] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:11] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [04:12] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:15] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-100-17-78.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:19] man... this xcb stuff is too complicated for me [04:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:23] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-236-108.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [04:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:24] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-236-108.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [04:25] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [04:27] How do I install pfm/pfb fonts? In /usr/share/fonts, OTF and TTF are simple enough... [04:27] but where do I stick these fonts? [04:31] pfm / pfb i think are converted for you by fc-cache [04:32] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [04:32] So I just stick them into any folder in /usr/share/fonts? [04:32] you can make ~/.fonts too [04:33] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) joined ##slackware. [04:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) joined ##slackware. [04:35] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-027-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] how would i prevent bluetooth from being enabled after hybernation? [04:36] s/y/i/ ? [04:37] ? [04:37] eh .. what does beini mean ? [04:38] y like why, not g like greed [04:39] i'd check your udev rules [04:39] hehe [04:40] Action: duryodhan is sleepy [04:40] Action: Necos is too [04:40] brb [04:40] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:41] hmmm. in 12.1 i had a full /etc/udev/rules.d , now there's just two of them... did they move someplace else? [04:41] They did indeed. [04:42] noo, where to? [04:42] /lib/udev/rules.d [04:42] oh, thank you...i was already wondering [04:44] so I made a folder in /usr/share/fonts/postscript [04:44] how do I confirm that the fonts I installed are installed correctly? [04:44] (i've alreayd run fc-cache) [04:46] Okay, I ran fc-cache with verbose [04:46] it doesnt check /usr/share/fonts/postscript (the folder I created) [04:46] how do I make it check it? [04:48] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [04:54] ubublues (n=ubublues@89-97-102-200.ip17.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] you have to edit /etc/fonts.conf [04:55] it's better just to create ~/.fonts IMO [04:55] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[05:19] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Does anyone have a photo management package they are using, and are particularly pleased with? It's about time to start organizing my photos, and I'd like to know what people are using these days. [05:23] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:26] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] nathanbw: I use Picasa under wine [05:30] Actually...I think it's just Picasa, and google uses wine to run it [05:30] the linux version, anyway [05:30] cool [05:30] rigth [05:30] ght* [05:31] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] OKAY, in order to install slackware i need dmraid for my raid config.. is there a way i can slip it into the boot image or something [05:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:32] redtricycle, is there a way to export your metadata (tags and/org the like) to xml or anything? Whenever I start putting time into this sort of thing I'm paranoid about being able to switch to a new solution later [05:33] nathanbw: I didnt look into it [05:33] 'night all [05:33] 'night redtricycle :-) [05:35] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:35] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:35] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn6.91-127-250.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. 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(I tried google and the search file site via slackware.com) Does anyone have them installed and could them in what pc of software they come? [06:30] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejb178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:32] josemanuel (n=josemanu@232.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:33] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-92-88-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [06:34] nvm found [06:34] hello [06:38] does anybody know what "sillema sillema nuka su" means? it appears in a fortune, and i can't find the meaning anywhere [06:38] and i'd rather not lose a saturday obsessing over it [06:42] josemanuel, have a look at http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=297209 [06:42] and read when it was posted [06:42] amoroso (i=48cf11da@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-55f9a1e39a20ed17) joined ##slackware. [06:42] hi [06:42] I am having trouble installing slackware. [06:43] Camarade_Tux, yeah, i already saw that [06:43] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [06:43] I keep getting this harddrive partition error [06:44] josemanuel, and fortune translations don't translate that one, they keep it as-is [06:44] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.166) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] There aren't any black people in here pretending to give good advice are there? [06:44] I need good advice. [06:44] I think it doesn't mean anything, it just annoys people, and is effective ;p [06:44] amoroso, 0_o [06:45] I mean with affirmative action there might be some unqualified darkie programmers here [06:45] Linux does practice affirmative action, right? 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[08:11] guys i have a problem installing slackware.. my raid controller isn't supported by the installer's raid manager, and i need to use one called "dmraid" for it to work [08:11] is there a way to put dmraid in the slackware setup? if there isnt im going to have to choose another distro [08:13] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.221) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] anybody? i've tried everything else nothing works!! [08:15] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [08:16] sorenp1 (n=Soren@m83-188-211-75.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [08:19] jean-1uc (n=jean-1uc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [08:20] capeta (n=guilherm@unaffiliated/capeta) joined ##slackware. [08:20] capeta (n=guilherm@unaffiliated/capeta) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:21] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: [08:22] jean-luc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] no one has any unofficial software repositories for slamd64 ? [09:05] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.166) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:05] who is a photography buff? i found something interesting you may like to do to a camera [09:06] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] slowz_ (n=slowz@ip72-204-42-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [09:13] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] jumperbo1 (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:25] http://www.fring.we.bs/ homemade fibre optic flash on a camera [09:25] nice, thanks [09:26] it looks like it would make a great alternative to the stock flash on most cameras [09:26] Pig_Pen: i've been pondering how to make a fiber optic light pipe to stream sunlight into the house [09:27] i have two, one in the bathroom and one in the kitchen, they are called solartubes [09:28] Pig_Pen: right, its all about what the fiber wavelength will allow, most fiber is not for sunlight spectrum iirc [09:28] they let light from the outside in to the house through a clear plastic dome on the roof and a chromed tube to feed it in to the house [09:29] hmm [09:29] Pig_Pen: right, keep it simple, a refelective metal tube with a clear glass dome on top is best [09:29] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] i guess i need to study fibreoptics more [09:29] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:30] Pig_Pen: you can by scrap fiber cheap from fiber supply houses and fiber installers but the fiber wont transmit sunlight iirc [09:30] what i want to see is LED lights get inexpensive enough to replace incandescent & flourscent lighting [09:30] so fibreoptics require only certian types of light injected in to them [09:30] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Pig_Pen: i saw a 45 led 120v socket light bulb for $10 at wally mart yesterday [09:31] that is a decent price, i could use a few [09:32] today is saturday, wallmart will be crowded, i will wait until a weekday morning to go [09:32] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Pig_Pen: i've been playing with led's for 10 years now, most economical to by 12V DC led lights and by a 120V AC to 12DC wall wart, a transformer [09:33] Pig_Pen: thrift shops usually have wall warts for 1-2 bux [09:34] Pig_Pen: harbor freight has 12V led lights, an array of 17 led's for about 8 bux [09:34] Pig_Pen: gives you about 5watts of light, not much but enough to see the keyboard :) [09:38] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) left irc: [09:38] i have lots of those little 12v DC transformers, and one big one that does 12vDC @ 50 amps for running mobile two-way radios :D [09:39] i may get some of those LED lights for my bedroom, i like the lights dim in the bedroom anyway [09:39] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:41] Pig_Pen: most harbor freight and other suppliers of 12V DC led lights need a 150 ohm resistor in the power cord of the led light to make them last, otherwise they burn out quick [09:42] 150 ohm resistor? wont that reduce the volts? something like 2 to 6 volts? [09:43] Pig_Pen: i'm not a electronics tech but i guess it reduces the volts from the wall wart from 13-14 down to about 10-11 which is ok for led's but yes they get dimmer but last for years that way [09:46] jean-luc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [09:46] Pig_Pen: this too elementary for your skill level? http://www.wafflepod.com/ebay/leds/Help%20Page/ [09:50] i can use the resistor refrence info since i was unaware that LEDs burn out with too much voltage running through them [09:52] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:52] i may pull a variable resitor out of an old radio in my my junk box and see if i can set up a LED light array with a built in dimmer :D [09:54] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Pig_Pen: i found that 150-250 ohm resistors work best for the 12V DC led arrays i bought [09:55] i may fix up my radio desk with a led light bar using several LEDs on a strip of wood or plastic (small diamater pvc pipe would work) with a variable resisitor dimmer [09:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [09:55] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [09:55] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [09:56] since i already have a DC power source at the radio desk anyway it would be a snap to fix up [09:56] Pig_Pen: yea, lots of cool uses for led's [09:56] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [09:56] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [09:56] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [09:57] i tried a flourscent light but the darn thing causes RFI on my shortwave so it had to go [09:57] leds will work good without RFI [09:58] Pig_Pen: agreed [10:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:02] Pig_Pen: 12V DC led light arrays work great as an emergency light using a 12V battery [10:03] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] http://imagebin.org/37840 my radio desk, you can see homemade speaker boxes & shelves (i can be handy in "do it yourself" mode) [10:05] where the rest of the truck? [10:06] truck? [10:07] i drove 18 wheelers for a while, after a few years i quit, that job is too annoying and dangerous [10:07] doesn't alot much time for irc ? :) [10:08] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] okibisan (i=1000@24-151-173-192.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] anyone here use e4defrag? [10:08] hi Soul_keeper have not seen you in here for a while [10:10] josemanuel (n=josemanu@232.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [10:10] Pig_Pen: you get hit by that ice storm pretty bad? [10:10] i upgraded to kernel 2.6.28.2 and added support for ext4, mounted my ext3 as ext4 and used tunefs and fsck on it [10:10] i sure did, i was stuck at home for three days [10:11] now I heard that I should run e4defrag on it... where can I get it and how do I use it? [10:11] Pig_Pen: did you loose electricity to the house? [10:11] today it is going to be in the 70's [10:11] a couple of times but for only a short time [10:11] Pig_Pen: ok, not too bad then [10:11] Pig_Pen, i recognize cableone.net but not you nick, did you change it ? [10:12] Action: Soul_keeper is trying to figure out the maximum key/value sizes fo DB_File in perl ... [10:12] nope, i am still Pig_Pen as always [10:13] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [10:14] yeah i don't speak much, usually deteriorates into flame wars :) [10:15] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:17] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:17] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [10:20] seeding 104 torrents and no one wants any [10:20] i used to hang around in the ##linux channel but the ubuntards would make me cringe so i had to leave [10:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] nooper, so you're not interested in animal asian bisexual porn ? ='( [10:21] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [10:21] lol [10:21] fserve (n=gbs@201008194112.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:25] nooper, same here, just no takers [10:25] _theradar (n=theradar@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] e2kb (n=e2kb@201-34-129-163.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] they make it hard to maintain a constant up so i can test my network monitoring program [10:32] fserve (n=gbs@201008194112.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:32] fserve (n=gbs@201008194112.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [10:39] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [10:40] greetings [10:40] beep [10:42] beeeeeeep [10:49] sigh [10:49] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:49] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejb178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:51] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Action: The-Croupier waves at spook [10:52] is a user (in /etc/sudoers) configured as user = ALL (ALL) ALL a security hole? [10:54] fserve: Only if you consider me to be stealing if I accept a $10 gift from you. [10:54] thank ya [10:54] rworkman: lol [10:55] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. 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[11:32] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] fserve (n=gbs@201008194112.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:36] fserve (n=gbs@201008194112.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:47] kevman_x86 (n=kevin@ool-44c7354e.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c4edcdb92176bf75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] hey all, anyone have experience installing the proprietary ATI drivers [11:51] im getting a FATAL: error inserting fglrx - Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi [11:51] and also a fglrx - Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi [11:51] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-151-166.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "leaving" [11:51] * and also a fglrx - Unknown symbol pci_enable_msi [11:52] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] kevman_x86: what Slackware version [11:55] 12.2 [11:56] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [11:57] kevman_x86: slackware kernels have "# CONFIG_PCI_MSI is not set" - I guess you will have to recompile your kernel [11:57] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] heh, nice. Alright, ill give it a try. [11:58] i dont see why I would need it.... its an AGP card. [11:58] Yeah... stupid non-open drivers [11:59] are there other driver options that support 3d for ATI cards? [11:59] from what ive read, just the closed source support it... [12:00] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:01] kevman_x86: depends on the card [12:02] its a radeon 9800 pro [12:02] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-120.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] its supported by the open source drivers [12:02] I also see in a google search that debian reports non-starting laptops with CONFIG_PCI_MSI enabled in the kernel [12:04] hmm, yeah your right. ill try that one, see if it will work. [12:04] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-205.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left irc: "Leaving." [12:07] pupit (n=Monika@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [12:07] pupit (n=Monika@91.150.106.232) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.116) joined ##slackware. [12:10] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [12:11] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hi all [12:12] i am wandering how to enable proper power management on my slack notebook [12:12] one of the problems is that it is not shutting down properly [12:13] why do you think that? [12:13] it states that it calls some acpi function but does not shut down at all [12:13] How old of a laptop is it? [12:13] i mean the os shuts down, but not the machine [12:14] very new [12:14] i mean, average modern notebook [12:15] i have not read or tried nothing to improve it, just wanted to check out if someone have an idea about it [12:15] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:16] and the second problem is, that kde does not indicate battery status at all [12:17] your best bet would be to google the model name and the word linux [12:17] which i believe is related to acpi again [12:17] other distros have wiki's and such on getting all of the power management, etc working [12:17] most all of that will work for any distro though [12:17] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] that is a good idea [12:17] that was my next step [12:17] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:18] i am not sure it is model related, just maybe i need to understand acpi at least basically [12:19] well..the laptop should power off when Slack shuts down [12:19] That being said, I don't know of any machines that follow the ACPI spec to the letter [12:20] i have had problems with other machines [12:20] Most things on most hardware just work when using ACPI...but its not uncommon for a machine's BIOS to not do something correctly [12:20] kr_eten, I cant find the link at his homepage http://rlworkman.net/ ; but I've read that he has some acpi scripts that should be a good template for getting that stuff going. Maybe someone has a direct link here for them, I dunno. [12:20] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-fa81f3909e1faed4) joined ##slackware. [12:20] If that makes sense [12:20] relatively old [12:21] Age really doesn't matter unless you get to the point where the machine only supports APM [12:21] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] well that was 2.4 kernels and most i was preferring apm at that time [12:22] i will browse it [12:22] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Makaveli4life (n=mak@adsl196-50-61-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [12:24] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:36] [BlackBuRn] (n=sfsdfsdf@93.86.113.57) joined ##slackware. [12:37] I need to write to hooks for pm-utils (xlockscreen and gkrellm). Could anybody suggest a good tutorial or something. I'm not having much success so far with Google [12:37] <[BlackBuRn]> anyone having problem with ati radeon fglrx drivers and slackware 12.2? [12:39] [BlackBuRn] (n=sfsdfsdf@93.86.113.57) left irc: [12:39] [BlackBuRn] (n=sfsdfsdf@93.86.113.57) joined ##slackware. [12:39] <[BlackBuRn]> anyone having problem with ati radeon fglrx drivers and slackware 12.2? [12:46] not here [12:47] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.168.61.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] ouch : http://www.darkreading.com/blog/archives/2009/02/phpbb_password.html* [12:47] (without the ending star of course : http://www.darkreading.com/blog/archives/2009/02/phpbb_password.html ) [12:48] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-fa81f3909e1faed4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] it's an analysis of the phpbb.com passwords that were recently made public, it's really astonishing [12:49] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-f66c8c4f22d1f87f) joined ##slackware. [12:51] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:55] internewt (n=internew@hadzor.longbridgeops.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [12:55] eddief2 (n=eddie@28.new-york-05rh15-16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Camarade_Tux: wasn't phpbb.com hacked via bug in php itself? [13:00] stybla, I don't know, I wasn't even aware it has been hacked before reading that [13:00] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:01] (btw, it's about the _registered users_ passwords) [13:01] yeh, it was :\ right when i finally made my move to poke about phpBB3 :\ [13:01] yeah, i've read it through. [13:02] user accounts are PITA. [13:03] [BlackBuRn], I was having some issues with the fglrx drivers and slackware 12.2 [13:03] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.175.227.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Camarade_Tux: i was expecting some trolling about how unsecure phpBB is - here or there. sorry :) [13:04] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [13:05] stybla, hehe ;) [13:05] whenever I get a site that lets me get back my password in clear, I use a lower-security one ;) [13:05] tea4me (n=thomas@seadog.wpi.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Camarade_Tux: how can you tell? [13:07] Ya i hate it when they send it in clear text right back to you via email. [13:08] stybla, forgotten-password forms ;) [13:08] slackware's mailing-list sends me my password in clear each and every month >< [13:08] Or even when signing up for something, they'll send it back like that. [13:08] ya, that's mailman for ya. [13:08] Camarade_Tux: i thought mailing-list does generate a random one. [13:09] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Camarade_Tux: still, you can't tell how the passwords are stored in db. i mean, it's a no problem to generate random password and mail it to you, yet still, passwords are being stored as clear-text in db. [13:09] Oh that's right, slackware uses majordomo. so both do it. [13:11] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) joined ##slackware. [13:11] it's not always right but when you can't get your password back in clear, it has probably been hashed (and salted I wished =/ ) [13:12] yeah. well, the point is - you can never be sure :) [13:13] mdoneal (n=mdoneal@adsl-69-111-104-181.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:17] I just registed on nabble and it tell the user passwords are stored in clear :) [13:17] hi [13:17] hi gar0t0 [13:20] jumperbo2 (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:20] alienBOB: ping [13:21] jumperbo3 (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=givZsEAW80k heres a happy little vid for a saturday afternoon :D [13:23] btw i can confirm that rworkman's skype package for slackware works on slamd64 [13:24] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-106-207.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-120.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] what should my DHCP_HOSTNAME[0] be? anything i want? or does it have to correspond to a name already given somewhere? [13:26] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-229.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:26] antler: Are you configuring your inet1.conf? [13:27] i'm trying to set up my wireless linksys and .... agentc0re : yeah [13:27] antler: No need to fill it in, or at least i've never done so. [13:27] tea4me (n=thomas@seadog.wpi.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] antler: Typically it would be the same as your hostname for your machine. [13:28] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_start gives "timed out waiting for a valid dhcp server response" [13:28] i have a Linksys adapter, it would not work with wpa_supplicant, i could only use it with wireless_tools & WEP (WPA & WPA2 wont work with it in Linux) [13:28] Camarade_Tux: that's sweet of them. [13:29] and i use a static IP since the router does the resolving on the WAN side [13:29] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ifconfig -a should show wlan0 and the word "running" somewhere, no? [13:32] Pig_Pen: did you follow a howto? if so, you have the a link handy? [13:33] i just setup /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and wireless.conf [13:33] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:33] i can paste them if you want to look at them [13:33] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:33] jumperbo1 (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:34] Action: lw0x15 waves [13:34] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Pig_Pen: the rt2x00, i've read, does work with wpa. i've read that there's no need for wpa_supplicant any more. (could be wrong) [13:34] Pig_Pen: that would be nice, if you don't mind posting [13:34] i also have a linksys router, i did notice that the router insists that the wifi connected PC use the first IP address (192.168.1.100) [13:35] antler: the kernel's rt2x00 needs wpa_Supplicant [13:35] ok, give me a minute and i will pastebin them [13:35] The rt2500 and other rtxx drivers from the serialmonkey site do not need wla_supplicanty [13:35] antler: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [13:35] Or "man rc.inet1.conf" [13:36] lw0x15: hello. [13:36] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] http://pastebin.com/d636c87a3 rc.inet1.conf [13:37] josemanuel (n=josemanu@191.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:37] alienBOB: i have the ralink rt2561/rt61. was going to ask you whether that how to, the one you just posted, is the one i should follow [13:37] Pig_Pen: thanks. i'll have a look [13:38] http://pastebin.com/d27f69a43 rc.wireless.conf [13:39] the serialmonkey driver works with wpa2 without wpa_supplicant ? alienBOB ? [13:39] it looks strange to not recognize my battery status at all [13:39] I delete my rc.wireless.conf ... and use only rc.inet1.conf. And for ralink cards, I blacklist the kernel driver (does not work with WPA here at home) and install my own packages for rt2500, rt63 or rt71 [13:40] hm. i just finished reading that configuring either of rc.wireless.conf or rc.inet1.conf is necessary, but not both [13:40] Pig_Pen: all drivers from the serialmonkey site have their own wpa support built in. No wpa_supplicant [13:40] You need several iwpriv commands to configure the WPA/WPA2 [13:40] cool, i need to figure out how to config rc.inet1.conf for that! [13:41] alienBOB: ah, ok. so i should be using your package, not theirs. [13:41] alienBOB: I think you should convince pat to remove rc.wireless* :) it's confusing [13:41] antler Pig_Pen - an example for serialmonkey's drivers is here: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa2 [13:41] rc.wireless seems redundant if rc.inet1 handles wireless too [13:41] thrice`: I asked him several times [13:42] ah, ok [13:42] alienBOB: ok, thanks. [13:43] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:44] i've seen that example, though. i'm obviously not doing it right because it's giving me no love [13:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl23-56.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Nick change: boerni -> Boerni [13:50] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [13:50] someone's cruising for a tempban [13:53] who? [13:54] rAWjAW (n=rawjaw@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] well interesting, there is a button "start battery monitor" but there is no button for stopping it [13:59] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] heret|c, I think I'll write some script to /NICK through all permutations of the letters in my current nick : n! ;) [14:03] mdoneal (n=mdoneal@adsl-69-111-104-181.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [14:03] 13! different nicks :) [14:03] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:05] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hi all. Im using a us layout, intl variant. Any ideas on how can I get an exclamation down symbol? [14:06] (the opossite of !) [14:07] cd .. [14:09] um, trying hitting the 'i' key? [14:10] Camarade_Tux: i couldn't care less. [14:11] antler: haha [14:11] err, no [14:11] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-f66c8c4f22d1f87f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] look, in the file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us is the definition of the layout [14:12] key { [ 1, exclam, exclamdown, onesuperior ] }; [14:12] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:12] I take the first entry (1) is the normal key, the second is the shift+key, but I have no clue on how to get the other two... [14:13] heret|c, ='( [14:16] eddie_ (n=eddie@141.157.204.29) joined ##slackware. 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[14:19] Lord_Khelben: it doesn't [14:19] well i have issues with x50gl and people complain that asus refuse to support them [14:19] weird let me try one moment [14:19] it looks like I'll have to enable some "compose key" or something like that [14:19] it works fine on me [14:19] crap, the laptop I'm typing this message on doesn't work on linux ? =/ [14:20] I wonder if it is this silly terminal (urxvt) [14:20] are you sure you are using the intl variant ? [14:20] i have no battery status and the machine does not shut down. if these are not issues, than the laptop is great :) [14:21] kr_eten: what does "dmesg | grep acpi" show right after boot? [14:21] Lord_Khelben: I just ran "setxkbmap -layout us -variant alt-intl" [14:21] i should reboot to see it [14:22] [BlackBuRn] (n=sfsdfsdf@93.86.113.57) left irc: [14:22] jerojasro: the alt-intl doesn't define some keys, try plain intl [14:23] but i had a look at dmesg for other reasons (wlan related) and there was lots of acpi output there [14:23] alienBOB, btw, having CONFIG_PRINTK=y in slackware's kernel would be nice :) [14:24] all exception and errors [14:24] Lord_Khelben: you mean this? setxkbmap -layout intl [14:24] kr_eten: did you look with google for those errors? [14:24] it doesn't work (error loading description...) [14:25] sorry, i did not i was just browsing the multiple complains about it [14:25] jerojasro: setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl [14:26] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:26] Lord_Khelben: that did it!! ¡¡¡¡¡¡thanks a lot!!!!!!! [14:26] áéíóú yay [14:27] altgr prints many things and you can also use it with unicode numbers to print anything i think [14:31] slowz_ (n=slowz@ip72-204-42-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:32] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [14:32] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] alienBOB, there is some bug reports related to this problem, i should continue investigating tomorrow. thanks for the help [14:33] related to the errors i have in the log [14:34] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [14:35] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] jeeeez. qt4 takes forever to build [14:35] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[14:54] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] Does anyone know of a djvu reader for slack that can display two pages, side-by-side? [14:55] I'm using djview from sBo [14:57] rAWjAW (n=rawjaw@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [14:58] easuter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:58] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [15:00] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:01] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [15:02] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.116) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:07] Srbo (i=1000@e181200123.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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I'm having trouble with an ssl vpn demo, and all the applets it uses [15:31] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [15:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-229.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-219.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [15:32] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) joined ##slackware. [15:33] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:33] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) joined ##slackware. [15:33] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:34] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) joined ##slackware. [15:34] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] Nyssa (n=a_ssyn@77-58-239-64.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hi there [15:40] is anyone here using the Awesome window manager? [15:40] because I need some help compiling it on Slackware 12.2 [15:42] the makefile conplains that it cant find the following packages: xcb-event xcb-atom cairo-xcb, etc [15:42] all xcb related packages [15:42] but i have libxcb installed [15:42] however, the .pc files for those particular packages arent anywhere on my filesystem [15:43] any ideas? [15:44] Nick change: easuter -> ea_suter [15:45] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:45] anyone? [15:45] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [15:48] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.49) joined ##slackware. [15:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.136) joined ##slackware. [15:50] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] Nyssa (n=a_ssyn@unixboard/users/nyssa) left ##slackware. [15:54] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-219.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] U-Neeks (n=popcorn@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:58] ea_suter: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/awesome/ [15:58] ea_suter: Is that what you are trying to build? [15:59] Srbo (i=1000@e181200123.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] What a pretentious name. [16:03] ? [16:03] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) joined ##slackware. [16:08] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.53.21.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] since it is chess that made the slackbuild, i doubt there is someting wrong with it.. [16:08] confuse and imlib2 [16:09] and you should be good to go [16:13] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [16:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.19.202) joined ##slackware. [16:19] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-5.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] ea_suter: is this awesome 3 or 2? [16:26] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] I am taking bets that he's trying to build awesome3. That will need an xcb-aware cairo. (which I believe slackware isn't). Anyone taking the bets .. I am wagering a pint of beer. :) [16:30] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] its awesome 3 [16:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.30) joined ##slackware. [16:34] no problem, ive got it sorted out [16:34] i needed to install xcb-utils [16:34] eddie_ (n=eddie@pool-141-157-204-29.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] and recompiled cairo with the --enable-xcb flag [16:34] :) [16:35] still getting a compile error, though i should manage to get past that :) [16:35] dammit. I missed out on free beer ;) [16:35] ea_suter: perhaps this might help you: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=Awesome-3-Slackware [16:35] lmao [16:35] hello happy slackers [16:35] taking bets eh? [16:35] :D [16:35] BP{k}, [] [16:36] alienBOB, [] [16:36] damn [16:36] dunno how i missed that page... [16:36] failure to try / look [16:36] heh. I just saw it as it was mentioned a short while ago on tghe slackbuilds-user ml. [16:36] burn... [16:37] yeah... [16:37] im still without X [16:37] :( [16:37] just installed slackware [16:37] using links [16:37] :'( [16:38] well, it was still fun :) [16:38] what's the problem with X? [16:38] the problem is he is trying to use one that is just too awesome for even it self to run as X. :P [16:38] hey,anyone recomends a good linux client for an M$ exchange account ? [16:39] U-Neeks (n=popcorn@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:39] josemanuel (n=josemanu@191.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:39] reallove: Best is to use the OWA features of exchange. [16:40] OWA meaning the web access ? [16:40] lol [16:40] just havent set it up yet [16:40] and living in init2 isnt bad at all [16:41] I would use 5 ;) [16:43] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:44] lol [16:45] NPR sure plays good music on the weekends, they have some good blues playing now [16:45] how would one use awk to print the 4th column and any further columns? [16:48] DralaFi: hmm .. probably using the value of $NF and work your way to every field until value == $NF [16:48] awk '{for(i=4;i yes .. like that :| [16:48] <=NR [16:49] err crap [16:49] <=NF [16:49] | awk '{print $1 ":" $3 ":" $4}' i have that [16:49] could I loop inside that? [16:49] as SiegeX suggests? [16:49] why not just use what i suggest? [16:50] SiegeX, because I want $1 and $3 as well [16:50] infact, it seems i just want to print all columns except $2 [16:50] /cl [16:51] . ear [16:51] damn my fingers :(. thanks :P [16:51] vipss_ (n=vipss@151.56.178.245) joined ##slackware. [16:51] irssi [16:51] DralaFi: do you need the : seperator? [16:52] cause you can just do: awk '{$2="";print}' [16:53] yes i need the sep [16:56] echo "foo bar baz blah" | awk 'BEGIN{RS=" ";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' [16:57] does not work [16:57] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:57] adds : to all spaces [16:57] *replaces [16:57] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:57] so what are the original field seperators? [16:57] whitespace [16:58] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-142-199.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:58] so if whitespace is a field seperator, then how can use you use that in a field? [16:58] because it's irellevant [16:59] SiegeX, media\tmd5sum filesize\tfilename that has spaces [17:00] $1 = media, $2 = md5sum, $3 = filesize, $4=>>> = filename [17:00] how to do $4 to the end? [17:01] so you meant the field separator can have multiple whitespace, no big deal [17:01] echo "foo bar baz bl ah" | awk 'BEGIN{RS=" *";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' [17:01] that fails [17:03] as that gives me myone167d 16f2dbcdd5aa6354892531891f31c4b8:205512 /dvdrw/Papers/research:paper:-:A:Tale:of:Four:Kernels:-:code:quality_Spi08b.pdf [17:03] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [17:03] rather than me guessing, just give me a sample input for god sakes [17:03] lol [17:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] it should be: myone167d:205512:/dvdrw/Papers/research paper - A Tale of Four Kernels - code quality_Spi08b.pdf: [17:04] and the input is..... [17:04] SiegeX, is that enough input? [17:04] jtk- (i=jtk@gateway/tor/x-dc9b7189bf048052) joined ##slackware. [17:04] no, you gave me the output [17:04] myone167d 16f2dbcdd5aa6354892531891f31c4b8 205512 /dvdrw/Papers/research paper - A Tale of Four Kernels - code quality_Spi08b.pdf [17:04] anyone here used ncftpd before? I can seem to find where to change the home directory for a specific user...it always starts in /Users/username and i can't navigate anywhere outside of there. [17:04] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] SiegeX, ^^ [17:05] so what you are telling me is that the fields are separtated by multiple spaces [17:06] some are, some are tabs [17:06] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.136.69) joined ##slackware. [17:07] SiegeX, i've already described the input string format... [17:08] awk 'BEGIN{RS=" +";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' [17:08] the rest you can figure out [17:09] it' still wrong, SiegeX [17:09] see my 2nd response [17:09] :P [17:10] type faster, i read the backlog [17:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:11] i cant figure this out. removing RS makes it go all loopy with no newlines [17:11] DralaFi: determine the regex that uniquely describes what your fields are separated by, throw that into RS [17:11] done [17:11] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:12] and with your sample input, it works for me; [17:12] myone167d:205512:/dvdrw/Papers/research paper - A Tale of Four Kernels - code quality_Spi08b.pdf [17:12] what, with awk 'BEGIN{RS=" +";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' ? [17:12] yes [17:12] nope doesnt work [17:13] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.49) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] myone167d 54ffbd639a9fced4eb68ba198dec902b:243217 /dvdrw/Papers/paper - A Critique of the Windows API - Diomidis Spinellis_Dec1997win.pdf [17:13] well your shit is all effed up then [17:13] cant be [17:13] you are using spaces [17:14] there are tabs there too [17:14] awk 'BEGIN{RS=" +|\t";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' [17:14] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "gtg" [17:15] i tried it with || [17:15] ? [17:15] that works. Thanks SiegeX ! :) [17:15] where do i send the money? ;) [17:16] im almost inclined to take you up on that offer at this point [17:16] here :) [17:16] lol [17:16] hehe :) [17:16] oh wait [17:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:17] that keeps the md5sum [17:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] which is $2 and i want to discard that [17:17] maybe i can do something with cut instead [17:19] cat myone167d.layout | awk 'BEGIN{RS=" +|\t";ORS=":"}NR!=2{print}' | cut -d: -f 2 --complement works [17:25] you shouldnt need cut [17:26] what is 'cut' removing? [17:26] it's removing £2 [17:26] $2 [17:26] thats what NR!=2 does [17:26] i iknow but it doesnt work [17:26] echo -e "one\ttwo\tthree\tfour" | awk -v RS=' +|\t' -v ORS=':' 'NR!=2' [17:26] one:three:four [17:27] that awk line is the same as the one i gave you ,just a bit more efficient [17:28] jtk- (i=jtk@gateway/tor/x-dc9b7189bf048052) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:29] SiegeX, cat myone167d.layout | awk -v RS=' +|\t' -v ORS=':' 'NR!=2' still shows $2 [17:30] paste the output of this [17:30] sed -n '1l' < myone167d.layout [17:31] Media\tmd5sum\tFilesize\tFilename + Path$ [17:31] is that just your header? [17:31] yes [17:31] does data start on line 2? [17:32] sed -n '2l' < myone167d.layout [17:32] line 4 [17:32] or replace '2' with whatever line the data actually is on [17:32] ok '4l' [17:32] ok. line 10 = myone167d\t54c6894bb28f22fb244ffa5371174d30 53721\t/dvdrw/DataFuzz\ [17:32] ing/582-paper_fuzzing.pdf$ [17:33] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-ee094e83ee29220a) joined ##slackware. [17:34] echo -e "myone167d\t54c6894bb28f22fb244ffa5371174d30 53721\t/dvdrw/DataFuzz\^J ing/582-paper_fuzzing.pdf" | awk -v RS=' +|\t' -v ORS=':' 'NR!=2' [17:34] myone167d:53721:/dvdrw/DataFuzz ing/582-paper_fuzzing.pdf [17:34] don't know what to tell you, shit works [17:34] indeed. it works here too [17:35] but not if i cat the file [17:36] so dont cat it: awk '...' myone167d.layout [17:37] awk -v RS=' +|\t' -v ORS=':' 'NR!=2' myone167d.layout has the md5sum :( [17:38] this is weird [17:39] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] ok, i see the problem [17:40] it should work on the 1st data line [17:41] i'm actually thinking of removing the header and footers from the layout files [17:42] having removed the header, awk -v RS=' +|\t' -v ORS=':' 'NR!=2' myone167d.layout now correctly works only for the first line [17:43] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.196.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Makaveli4life (n=mak@adsl196-50-61-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [17:47] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] hi [17:51] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:51] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/zerg_rush.jpg [17:51] that's how i feel when i idle in #linux [17:51] i upgraded to -current and now i'm having a good bit of trouble getting my bluetooth keyboard working. and it also killed kdebluetooth [17:53] nullboy, what's a zerg? [17:54] is it a Fith Element thing? [17:54] look it up, it's good trivia [17:54] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.30) left irc: [17:54] Zerg rush came from warcraft initially i believe [17:54] or is it that annoying starcarft shite? [17:54] yeah starcraft or warcraft, not sure [17:54] starcraft is not annoying [17:54] zerg came from starcraft [17:54] ah [17:55] warcraft was orcs & human, then orc, human, undead, night elf. no zerg [17:55] is #linux nice or full of newbs these days? [17:55] depends on the hour [17:55] i imagine #ubuntu would be a total nightmare [17:56] oh it is [17:56] DralaFi, lol it is [17:56] but the forums are useful [17:56] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.196.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [17:56] hehe [17:56] never liked web-forums [17:57] their forums are useful because for every odd general linux quirk you've found, there's gotta be about 50 people with ubuntu that had the same issue and already solved it on their forums [17:57] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] i've used ubuntu, gentoo, and Arch documentation and wikis many times for getting things going under slackware [17:58] s/and solved it// [17:58] vipss_ (n=vipss@151.56.178.245) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] yea, the gentoo wikies are pretty good [17:58] but googling a linux issue tends to bring the ubuntu forums first [17:58] gentoo doesnt have a wiki anymore :( [17:58] of course, they have the most users of all distros [17:59] why? [17:59] Supposedly. [17:59] ^ thrice` [17:59] it's gotta be them of fedora [17:59] because believe it or not, ubuntu is actually pretty easy to use [17:59] no it's not [17:59] ok whatever [17:59] (well kubuntu isnt. i use that at work and it sucks really badly) [17:59] nullboy, i tried ubuntu, but i couldn't get my nvidia drivers working [17:59] it crashes all the time [18:00] it's certainly not as stable as slackware [18:00] DralaFi: gentoo lost their wiki (database, as well as hardware) to a bad ISP... and never bothered to make backups [18:01] oh wow that's brutal [18:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Action: jkwood wonders just how many Slackware servers are sitting around the world chugging along without people making a big deal about their existence [18:01] :( [18:01] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [18:01] DralaFi: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page <-- it's up in parts [18:01] jkwood: probably many like that. the infamous "what's that box over there doing?" "i don't know but it's always been there doing it so leave it alone" [18:02] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.175.227.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] BP{k}, neat. thanks [18:03] That's the thing. Ubuntu users tend to be very vocal, but I really have to wonder if they can possibly have grown that much in just a few years. [18:03] they've got lots of capital backing them [18:06] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [18:09] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.53.21.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] the Powerball lottery is @ 61 million dollars, if i win that i will donate 1 million dollars to Pat V. & Slackware [18:13] lol [18:13] damn. can't make any more jokes about poor US Dollar value [18:14] DralaFi: awk -F' +|\t' '{for (i=1; i or: awk -F' +|\t' -v OFS=':' '$1=$1' /tmp/awk.txt | cut -d: -f2 --complement [18:14] heh the first worked, SiegeX :) [18:14] but the 1st one is going to be faster [18:15] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:15] why isn't the slackbuild for idesk put on slackbuilds.org yet? alienbob has a slackbuild but i'd think by now it'd be on there...? [18:15] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/idesk/build/ [18:16] because it wasn't submitted? [18:16] dartmouth: why should every script I write be at slackbuilds.org as well? [18:16] lol [18:16] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] and alienBOBs slackbuild do things differently than the scripts at SBo. [18:17] :( [18:17] k [18:17] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-af0a63493357df50) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:19] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [18:19] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:20] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Success [18:21] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. 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[19:08] changed the network cable, got ping both ways... nfs setup and mounted fine [19:08] could it be that I'm using an "old" 12.1 boot dvd and that may be pretty scratched? [19:09] hmm, wait.... network lights just flickered into life (IGNORE ME!!) [19:11] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:12] theblackbox: gutenprint does take a bit of time to install and will pause for a bit on 12.2. [19:12] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] it can take several minutes [19:14] yeah didn't expect it ... only 15meg or so, but that's a pretty poor heuristic [19:15] if one wanted to change /dev/mapper/$DEVNAME for a luks setup it would require modifications to fstab, lilo.conf and the initrd creation command and that should be it? [19:15] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:17] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:18] what a sick bunch of arseholes [19:18] ... err... HI GUYS! :-) [19:18] :D [19:19] Turettes syndrome can be a real pain when it extentds to the fingers too [19:19] *fuck*! *arse*! [19:19] kjell: what GPU is in your machine? [19:20] Action: DralaFi does not believe in Turettes syndrome [19:20] macavity: XFX GeForce 9400GT 550M 1GB PhysX CUDA [19:21] DralaFi: i know a girl who has it in the physical form.. that is, it is unvoulentary movement instead [19:21] involuntary fucking movement? [19:21] yea [19:21] its pretty voluntary, dude [19:22] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.175.147) left irc: Client Quit [19:22] DralaFi: when things get deficoult her head starts jerking and yanking.. and on bad days, her legs too [19:22] weird [19:22] oh poor dear [19:22] though isn't that related to Restless Leg Syndrome? [19:22] Action: dartmouth holds that mean joke he was about to say [19:22] macavity: what operating system is she using? [19:23] DralaFi: doctors says its turettes.. stuttering comes from the same malfunction [19:23] kjell: she is computer ilitterate to my knowledge [19:23] is it not a made up illness? [19:24] kjell: re, GFX: aww.. i was hoping you said i915/945/965 :-/ [19:24] DralaFi: why on earth should it be that? [19:24] macavity, i have that chipset [19:24] macavity: why? :-E [19:24] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [19:24] macavity, what made up? maybe due to Big Brother.. the dude had it but i think maybe it was just for entertainment [19:25] because the upcomming release of Gallium3D requires *extensive* testing... and i am gathering a slackware crew to help out [19:25] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] macavity: I'm affraid I let slackware down a few nights ago though. When I get angry I do impulsive things :'< [19:26] DralaFi: i can assure you that there are people who would give everything they owned to get rid of Turettes.. it can put a very effective stop to any kind of social life [19:26] kjell: "there is no point crying over every mistake; you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake" [19:26] kjell: ergo, install it, pick up where you left, ask for help as nessecary [19:27] macavity: I scored 98% on that song when singing it on that... xbox-machine-game [19:27] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] so pro [19:27] kjell: the Portal credit song? [19:27] hrm [19:27] Yeah, if it was that you sang. [19:27] Action: mbhayes is going through noobfarm quotes and ran into the one about people wanting a noobfarm man page... [19:27] macavity, ahh :( [19:27] "This was a triumph. I'm making a note here, HUGE SUCCESS" etc etc? [19:27] mbhayes: you made one didn't you? [19:28] http://slackadelic.com/files/noobfarm.7 [19:28] macavity: oyea [19:28] yep [19:28] kjell: its awesome :P [19:28] macavity: indeed. :D [19:28] the cake is a lie! [19:28] Whats it named now again? [19:28] Outlaw_ (n=outlaw@89.191.156.2) joined ##slackware. [19:28] DralaFi: how savy are you with the packagesystem, SlackBuilds and manual package creation? [19:28] Outlaw_ (n=outlaw@89.191.156.2) left ##slackware. [19:29] kjell: it's the song that gets played during the Portal game's credit listing [19:29] kjell: i think it is just called "Portal Credit Song" [19:29] still alive [19:29] is the name, i googled ;) [19:29] ah, yes [19:29] naturally [19:29] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [19:30] btw, how far are you from having Slackware back on that machine? [19:30] Its sad that I'm a total beginner and yet I can sit in #ubuntu and respond to most of the questions if I want to. [19:30] macavity: I'm thining of it. [19:30] thats too far.. [19:30] Just Do It(TM) [19:30] The ubuntu community is booring. [19:30] yes.. and dimlit [19:30] hehe another rworkman classic: http://noobfarm.org/?id=634 [19:30] macavity, not that savvy. I've looked at the SlackBuild scripts from time to time. Never actually created one before. [19:31] jimi_ (n=jimi@jimir.dsl.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] anyone using bluetooth on slackware 12.2? [19:32] DralaFi: if i dump a master script on you that pulls latest git of the entire xorg/mesa stack, and creates packages from it, can you handle upgrading them, and in case it blows up, revert to vanilla slackware packages? [19:34] kjell: whats the big fuss? any other distro is to easy for you, so get going :P [19:34] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] afk [19:35] macavity: Hah, well. Why fix something that already works? I'm in a need to do my schoolarwork and I dont see much benefits from installing other distros now, other than... speed? [19:35] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.196.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [19:35] macavity, not sure. Will your scripts call makepkg and i just have to call upgradepkg on those, or is it automatic? I've never tried to do pkg recovery from DVD after the installed packages were hosed.. though it should be possible... [19:35] Slackware is the best, you wont find a better distro kjell [19:36] Slackware is as good as Linux can get [19:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Pig_Pen: In what way does it differ so much that I should switch to it again? I loved slackware but Im in a need to get things up quick now and get my schoolar done. [19:37] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] Slack iz gud. [19:37] Old_Fogie: Hey fogie! You said you got an acer netbook right? which one did you get up getting? [19:37] kjell, you could try gentoo [19:37] agentc0re, acer aspire one [19:37] DralaFi: I have, long time ago now though. [19:37] Slackware wont hold your hand yet it is not built with unnecessary complications [19:37] Action: Old_Fogie says hello to ##slackware [19:37] Old_Fogie: hi! [19:37] Old_Fogie, i just got the acer ferrari laptop :) [19:37] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Old_Fogie: Which model though? [19:38] kjell: You're switching from Slackware already? ftw... [19:38] agentc0re, there can be only one! hahah, that is the model, acer aspire one ; they vary on color I think that give them model number, and if SSD drive or SATA drive. I have the SATA drives. [19:38] jimi_, ah nice [19:38] Action: agentc0re gets everyone to line up in the gauntlet. [19:39] agentc0re: Haha I'm planning to switch back this summer though. Was in a need to get my desktop up and running ASAP so I could finish my school inb4 to late ;) [19:39] Action: Old_Fogie yells at all in the gauntlet to "Put the stinking lotion in the basket!" [19:39] still struggling to get the bluetooth mouse working with it :( [19:39] anyone know any 3 output graphics cards? :P [19:40] i just found a 3 14" LCD studio array in the garbage room?! [19:40] works perfect [19:40] you mean besides matrox? [19:40] Old_Fogie: Oh, when i was looking at them on newegg i swear i saw different model numbers. The other thing i noticed different to add on to what you said was different battery. Did you get the 6 cell? How long does it last you without recharging? [19:40] acidchild, my matrox card has three outputs [19:40] agentc0re, we only have the tiny ones. didn't buy the accessories yet. It's in my wife's todo [19:41] jimi_: is it PCI? [19:41] DralaFi: in the worst case you can jsut do "slackpkg reinstall x" [19:41] agp [19:41] kjell: ... Why switch. What was the issue? You can have a desktop up and running with slack with in 30 minutes. [19:41] DralaFi: allthough that would be overkill :P [19:41] agentc0re, the only thing is, I cannot get the wifi lights to work at _all_ . they did on 2.6.26 series, but the parameters to tell kernel have been removed from kernel for the lights. [19:41] jimi_: cool... the screens are "MASS" and no model indication [19:42] macavity, in the worst case i'd have to reinstall from scratch. which isnt hard, just annoyingly time consuming [19:42] DralaFi: ill make sure my script dumps a copy of the prestine packages in /tmp/recorver-xorg or something [19:42] agentc0re, I havent tested the small SSD card memory slots ( I dont have any of htat memory ) [19:42] agentc0re, we got the ones with win xp home on there, the were out of the ones with linux [19:42] acidchild, the only bad part is that the drivers for recent matrox cards aren't so good [19:42] Old_Fogie: Me either, i think those slots are worthless anyways. :P [19:42] DralaFi: no, my packages wont hose the entire system.. it's just the xorg/mesa stack [19:42] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [19:42] acidchild, so i don't think you can use all three in linux [19:42] Old_Fogie: Did you reinstall with slackware on it though? I was under the impression you did. [19:42] agentc0re, the odd thing on keyboard is home and end key. if you want to use them you have to hit 'function and home' and 'function and end' [19:43] DralaFi: however, you will have to upgrade to kernel .28.x to get GEM properly working [19:43] agentc0re, yes they're all dual boot xp-home and slackware [19:43] Old_Fogie: Oh, thats weird. [19:43] agentc0re, you're telling me [19:43] agentc0re, also look at the touchpad, the click buttons are on sides of touchpad, not on bottom [19:43] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:44] macavity, GEM ? what's this about anyway? [19:44] agentc0re, you get used to that tho. you get 2 hours battery life. recharge is quick tho. the screen is very bright, and very sharp edges, lines. compiz fusion does work :) [19:44] DralaFi: Graphics Execution Manager [19:44] agentc0re, keyboard has good feel to it [19:44] agentc0re, actually the whole thing feels very solid [19:45] Old_Fogie: Have you used the webcam on it? If so, do you like the quality or no? [19:45] agentc0re, I'd recommned it. I've never used an eeeepc so I cant say if it's better than that tho [19:45] agentc0re, yes webcam works just fine. [19:45] agentc0re, no hax [19:45] DralaFi: a new graphics driver subsystem in the kernel. It will supposedly make things go a little faster.. not to mention provide better stability and smaller codesize for the drivers [19:45] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Old_Fogie: Good quality pictures/video come from it though? [19:46] agentc0re, the ath5k in Slack 12.2 works well for the wifi. (again...no lights tho) . ath5k doesnt work in 2.6.28.X series tho, and I dont know why [19:46] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:46] agentc0re, seems fine to me [19:46] agentc0re, I mean .. the pic's look like me :) [19:47] macavity, oh. is this realted to intel i965? [19:47] LOL [19:47] jimi_: http://www.massmultiples.com/products/c19/c3p19d.htm [19:47] that is what i just found O.O [19:47] c13 version [19:47] agentc0re, but as far as wifi goes in 2.6.28 I can use madwifi tho, so I'm not worried about ath5k (thats new anyhow, and the devs do test on this acer) [19:48] agentc0re, like I said, I'm happy with them, that's why I bought 10 :) [19:48] DralaFi: currently all Intel GMA* chips. The Free ATI drivers are to follow shortly, and Nouveau (Free nVidia hack-around) are getting up to date too [19:48] agentc0re, there never "big enough" or "enuff battery life) but that's with laptops too [19:48] acidchild, you found that sitting in your junk room??? [19:48] agentc0re, you can plug into monitor and get 1024x768 as well [19:48] Old_Fogie: 10? haha. wow. [19:48] jimi_: yeah :| [19:48] agentc0re, Christmas presents [19:48] DralaFi: all three of them are working on a Gallium3D port for the new Mesa stack.. look Gallium3D up on wikipedia to see the coolest shit :P [19:49] macavity, i only have nvidia on the desktop, though the laptop has intel. Mostly it runs gentoo as it seems a bit better than slackware [19:49] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.250) left irc: [19:49] acidchild, what kind of things do you have in your nice room then ? ;) [19:49] O_o [19:49] Old_Fogie: Very cool. I was very close to buying one today after what you I heard you say about them last time. Just thought I'd ask you a few more detailed questions. Thanks for answering them! :) [19:50] agentc0re, they meet my expectations of what a netbook should be. small, light, fast, and could be a desktop replacement in an emergency for sure (it multitasks very well and is highly fast enuff to open all apps in slackware and run them I find) [19:50] DralaFi: naturally i am not prepared to write ebuilds... i havent gotten the first clue about gentoo, except when i tried it it sucked because i am used to the slackware simplicity [19:51] agentc0re, the biggest hiccup is the no led for wifi, and the home/end key, and touchpad. look at them and decide if you can live with it. that's really the only diff vs other netbooks. but the acer is highly touted as having the sharpest display/screen wich I liked, very bright and crisp. [19:51] nice [19:51] Old_Fogie: In the end, that's mostly what matters. You end up staring at it and using it the most over all the other down features. [19:52] agentc0re, to load it you need a usb drive, minimum 256 mb (thats all I have so I say minimum); and another external usb drive with rsync of slackware tree or combo there of. Slackware's installer does _not_ support USB cd rom drives, else I would have used that. [19:53] macavity, gentoo is intrequing. it takes ages to install. you even have to copy your timezone file to /etc ;) etc etc. and updating can take a while. compiling openoffice 3 is like a half day work on a dual core 2ghz chip... [19:54] agentc0re, it can compile huge smp huge 12.2 kernel in 1 hr 40 minutes [19:54] Old_Fogie: I have a couple of 8Gb usb drives. Shouldn't be a problem to just get the iso image direction on the usb drive so that it'll boot. [19:54] agentc0re, the installer didnt see my network card fwiw [19:54] jimi_: what you mean? [19:54] fuck gentoo, you could not pay me enough money to use that piece of crap [19:54] Old_Fogie: Did you pass anything to -j when you ran make? [19:54] U-Neeks (n=hell@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:54] agentc0re, but the onboard nic does work once you've installed the Slack [19:54] agentc0re, j2 [19:54] Pig_Pen: i have my price :-( [19:54] agentc0re, it's a hyper thread [19:55] agentc0re, then I did with nothing, and was almost same [19:55] agentc0re, mine is 1 gig ram and 120 (or is it 160 gig ) sata hard drie [19:56] alkh (n=alefebvr@macgyver.imj.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:56] hi all [19:56] agentc0re, dont use KDE as main desktop it scales bad, use XFCE and kde apps, but not KDE as main desktop [19:56] agentc0re, gnome scales best tho [19:56] do anybody know which fs type is used for the initrd.img of the slack 12.2 ? [19:56] alkh: are you trying to unpack it? [19:57] acidchild, i'm just saying that if that is the kind of stuff you have in your junk room you must have some pretty nice stuff in your nice rooms :) [19:57] lots of waste food? [19:57] macavity, i'd be tempted to try this gallium3d and the new drivers, for the laptop. I'd have to be for another day. it's almost 1am here and i'm going to go to bed soon. but this is certainly interesting. [19:58] jimi_: http://7a69.co.uk/~ash/desk.jpg [19:58] macavity: yes, I need to make some modification on setup scripts [19:58] jimi_: *DROOL* [19:58] Old_Fogie: Is 1Gb of ram enough? I was thinking about buying a larger stick and upgrading. [19:58] Action: agentc0re realizes that didn't sound right... :P [19:58] macavity: so, I want to mount it [19:58] agentc0re, phoronix did benchmarks, found it makes no difference. and let's be honest, xfce in desktop is 90 mb ram :) so openoffice, firefox, what have you, I aint touched over 500 yet :) [19:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] so can anyone help me get bluetooth working? [19:59] surely any performance issues you are talking about are going to be affected bu this mysterious kernel IO bug [19:59] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-70-132-7-45.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] i think i've been hit by that [20:00] alkh: hang on, i am looking for alienBOB's script to unpack/pack it [20:00] Old_Fogie: Heheh. True. And i'd probably use Xfce. I've be come attached to it lately. [20:00] copying large files makes the whole gui unresponsive, which could translate to people saying KDE doesnt scale well [20:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:01] Old_Fogie: Is the included case padded at all? [20:01] alkh: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/slackboot/ [20:01] i wish VIM would fix their buggy gtk interface [20:01] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] alkh: there is an assorted toolbox [20:02] DralaFi, I'm talking about the desktop scaling to the small screen of the netbook. many of KDE's "features" are unusable, has the dev's hard coded window sizes, button locations for dialogs, etc. [20:02] alkh: i dont remember exactly how i did it the last time, but i managed to unpack the .img with cpio [20:02] agentc0re, oh the included case is just a sleeve, it's a joke (at least mine is). [20:02] Old_Fogie, kde 3 or 4? [20:02] 3 (4 is betaware still atm so I wont put that on there) [20:03] Old_Fogie: Thats what i thought. [20:03] macavity: Yes, i made the same, but when I repack and boot on it, I have a kernel panic :/ [20:03] hmm [20:03] lando_ (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] goodnight [20:04] alkh: you need to gunzip it before you can mount it via loopback [20:04] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-155-106-207.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:04] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:04] alkh: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe#creating_an_initrd.img' [20:04] minus the ' [20:04] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [20:05] Yep I know, I succeed mounting initrd of slack 10.X [20:05] but not 12.X [20:05] i belive the filesystem is raw [20:05] no.. it is ext2?!? [20:05] oh really [20:06] look at the above link [20:06] not ext2 ... [20:06] I think it was ext2 before [20:07] so, you have gunzipped it, but cant mount it via loopback? [20:07] exactly [20:08] Mukesh (n=Mukesh@84.19.44.100) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] I succeed with a initrd of slack 10 [20:08] but not with an initrd of slack12 [20:09] mount can't detect de FS [20:09] gunzip -cd initrd.img > initrd && mount -o loop,ro initrd /mnt/somewhere [20:09] ^^ like that? [20:09] yes [20:09] what does "file" say about the gunzipped file? [20:10] probably cpio archive, right? [20:10] wait a sec.. ill just pull the fscker myself [20:10] yes [20:10] for those of you who like classic movies, Casablanca featuring Humphrey Bogart is on Turner Classic Movies [20:11] macavity: initrd.img: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) [20:11] right [20:11] hang on [20:11] then i remembered correctly :P [20:12] speaking of classic movies, i recently watched "Sherlock Holmes and the case of the Texas cowgirl" on archive.org. It was entertaining in a Calamity-Jane sort of way. [20:12] you can watch movies on archive.org? [20:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] yes [20:13] how [20:13] multiple options [20:13] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:13] flash in web page, or they offer the movie in various formats including ogg video [20:13] macavity: hehe, so, it's not possible to mount it ? [20:14] you can download the ogg video and play it in mplayer on slackware [20:14] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] i suppose only public domain stuff? [20:16] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Greetings Programs! [20:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] alkh: ok, got it [20:17] alkh: mkdir initrd.d; cd initrd.d; gunzip ../initrd.img > initrd; cat initrd | cpio -i --no-absolut-filenames [20:18] you want to unpack it in a dir, as all files are relative to / [20:18] i just made a mess of my homedir :P [20:19] alkh: i will leave it as an exercise to you how to make cpio copy the modified files back in [20:19] hehe [20:19] the manpage says it can do it [20:19] beware that the "copy in" and "copy out" modes are relative to the filesystem, not the archive [20:20] so you need copy out mode to get something in to the archive... makes lots of sense, right? [20:20] macavity: okay! [20:20] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:20] metriccwrench: thks a lot for your help [20:20] oups macavity [20:20] :) [20:21] donate $1 to the Free Software Foundation, or buy a $1 donation from the slackware shop, and we call it even ;-/ [20:21] * ;-P [20:21] jimi_ (n=jimi@jimir.dsl.xmission.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] :D [20:21] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:22] or speak up next time i am banging my head against something you know something about [20:22] dios_mio: there is some creative commons stuff on there, but it is mostly public domain [20:22] cool [20:23] there are also strange foreign movies with subs [20:23] alkh: observer, that somewhere on the intarwebs alienBOB has a script to open and close these new initrds, but i simply cant find it [20:25] try /etc/mkinitrd.conf.sample [20:25] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.176.74) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.169.25) joined ##slackware. [20:28] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] hexoroid (n=hex@unaffiliated/hexoroid) joined ##slackware. [20:31] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-110.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:35] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-213-17.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:42] it's a filter [20:42] since the only reason to test equality is to "fiolter" the data [20:42] yes and it is not in the book nor is it on google [20:43] that is what i choose was filter but none of the above stood out [20:43] well technically it's a boolean equation but ... [20:43] or rather a boolean comparison [20:44] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] yeah all google says is gender equality or something ... [20:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] TriniTuX (n=chatzill@cuscon122580.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:49] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:50] X11R7.5 sometime in March :-D [20:51] Nick change: lando_ -> lando [20:56] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:58] any ATI users who can tell me how i figure out what actual chip is on Radeon 4350? [20:58] Rv600? [21:00] R700 it is [21:00] Action: macavity luuubs wikipedia [21:00] err.. RV710 [21:02] http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm this is a nice site if you need other info [21:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] thx [21:10] So i've been thinking about trying out Slamd64. I run mdadm for raid1 and lvm from stripping. I set aside two lv's for OS's. One is Slackware of course, and i'd put slamd64 on the other. Home is my largest lv, and the last one. So i have to have an initrd to boot. How do i successfully create the initrd for both slackware and slamd64? [21:11] You create an initrd in Slamd64 the same way you create it in Slackware. [21:11] alkh (n=alefebvr@macgyver.imj.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:11] alkh (n=alefebvr@macgyver.imj.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:12] jkwood: initrd's are writen to the mbr right? Well if i created a new one in slamd64, wouldn't that over right the one i have for slackware? [21:12] agentc0re: less /boot/README.initrd [21:12] no, they are written to /boot [21:12] Umm... That's not how initrds work, I don't think. [21:13] no, an initrd is just a file [21:13] agentc0re: you'll have an initrd in the /boot directory of each distro [21:13] Oh okay. Well i also have a /boot partition setup as well. I guess i would just have to call the output of the initrd.gz to something else and set lilo to load that one for slamd64 then. [21:13] The only thing that gets written to the mbr is a bootloader. Grub, lilo, whatever. [21:14] I was under the impression, i don't know why i just thought that's how it worked, that initrd was loaded into the mbr. [21:14] and the partition table, but that's another story :) [21:14] Right. Make an initrd.slackware and and initrd.slamd64. [21:14] agentc0re : the sheer size would not make it possible. mbr is only 512 bytes [21:14] as long as you point lilo.conf at the correct name, you'll be fine [21:15] Cool, thanks for clearing that up for me. [21:16] I think i always thought that the initrd was writen to the mbr was because of the output lilo gives me. [21:17] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@68.149.60.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] About how it's too big to fit between the kernel and the memory hole. I had interpreted that into that it wrote it to the MBR. [21:18] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [21:18] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4C919.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [21:19] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] agentc0re: if you have a common /boot/ you can just symlink /etc/lilo.conf from one to the other (natrually that presumes you mount slackware under slamd64 and vice versa) [21:21] http://www.angryalien.com/0704/alienbunnies.html [21:22] agentc0re: observe that without arguments mkinitrd just makes a /boot/initrd-tree/ [21:23] agentc0re: that means that you can actually have an initrd.gz that works with both.. it can contain kernel modules for N diffrent kernels [21:23] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.80.7) joined ##slackware. [21:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:26] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:27] Anyone know what an "Analog" connector for a TFT monitor? [21:28] is there a 'real' name for the connector? [21:29] vga? [21:29] http://www.massmultiples.com/products/~c3_series.htm Ctl+F down to 'C3H17 Analog' [21:29] looks like a DVI, but bigger pins. [21:29] wow.. ping is installed suid root?!? [21:29] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [21:30] macavity: yep [21:30] macavity: Those were the around the lines of how i thought i'd need it to get it to work. But if you don't pass any arguments, it builds "everything" into the initrd-tree? I have to pass at least raid and lvm. [21:30] macavity: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted [21:30] acidchild: that's a 15 pin standard VGA connector, by the looks of it [21:30] acidchild : looks like one of the connectors on newer video cards, that get split off into a couple of connectors [dvi and/or vga] [21:31] danc3 : except there is more than 15 pins [21:31] danc3: its the same shape as the DVI, its much bigger than a VGA [21:31] however, my guess is that it is simply VGA, and somebody screwed up the number of pins on the diagram [21:31] but its on a patch cable to two VGA's [21:31] ahhh, yeah it is one of those double-display connectors, there are adaptors to connect a standard VGA cable to it [21:32] acidchild : as to the fact that it's a TFT display, it doesn't matter [21:32] ananke: i have that infront of me. [21:32] Action: acidchild is just gonna go find 3 PCI gfx cards... no requirement for quality [21:32] =] [21:34] thing has a hoes pipe sized display cable [21:34] a large hose... 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[21:50] Action: thrice` is drinking wisconsin beer :| [21:50] i have some pale ale [21:51] sissy; this is IPA at least [21:51] lol [21:51] Ooo, i need to go buy some beer. Thanks for the reminder! :) [21:51] thrice`: Is that a euphemism for cheese sauce? [21:51] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.229) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] i am smoking opium [21:51] beer on Saturday is a requirement [21:51] drugdealerontor: awesome [21:52] Is this the week of trolls or something? [21:52] i don't know but any troll smoking opium won't be around here too long so it's cool [21:53] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) [21:54] nullboy: Leffe Blonde! [21:54] weeee [21:54] thispale ale is pretty strong in the hops department though [21:54] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:54] it's a good one [21:55] agentc0re: Saturday night around here is alcoholics and druggies, most of the time. You get used to finding another place to go hang out. [21:55] lmao [21:56] you guys know what "Saturday night wrists" means right? [21:56] I am not as think as I drunk I am ! [21:56] it's a term for the nerve damage that happens to ones shoulder and upper arm when one passes out in a chair while their arm is thrown over the back [21:56] jkwood: no need to insult the channel squares [22:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] cosmosy (i=amg@unaffiliated/cosmosy) joined ##slackware. [22:02] _theradar (n=theradar@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [22:05] jkwood: LOL [22:05] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] nullboy: Whats the name of the beer you are drinking? [22:06] this is from Bj's [22:06] Piranha Pale Ale [22:06] the local Bj's brews on site so i buy from them when they have it bottled [22:06] any mailman wizards who can tell me how to get mailman to send me all messages set to the mailing list for, the last year? [22:07] ybit (n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Local brew is always better, esp where i live. We have the shittiest beer laws. [22:07] ybit (n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit) left ##slackware ("part"). [22:07] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [22:07] beachsurfin (n=h@unaffiliated/girlmeteor) joined ##slackware. [22:08] IE, I can only get good beer at the liquor store and same goes for any hard liquor. Then those stores have shitty hours for the most part and only a select few are open late enough. Those ones are always jam packed. [22:08] agentc0re: you live in Alabama? [22:08] Utah. [22:08] Oh. Close. [22:08] oweee [22:08] ;-) [22:08] Utah for microbrew...oh the humanity [22:09] that's reason enough to move [22:09] lol [22:09] 1-800-MAYFLOWER [22:09] nullboy: Well they're good tasting beer compared to PBR or Bud... etc. [22:09] agentc0re: for sure [22:09] Hrm... speaking of beer, Newcastle or Xingu or Shiner Bock? [22:10] Shiner ftw. [22:10] Newcastle is worthy but i'd hit the Xingu [22:10] Action: agentc0re well I'm off. I am going to go get me some beer now :D. [22:10] Well, those are the only three I have on hand (and my three faves, fwiw). I'm just trying to figure out which one I should drink first... [22:11] start with the Xingu and finish with the easy drinker Newcastle [22:11] put that shiner in the middle [22:11] Good strategy. brb [22:12] mmmm [22:12] how do you keep all the programs up-to-date? [22:12] Xingu is even *more* refreshing after some extra-hot salsa and chips :) [22:13] beachsurfin: in Soviet Russia, the programs update you. [22:13] okay .. there is one problem with the leffe ... [22:13] Action: BP{k} needs more of it. >:) [22:13] i'm using ubuntu right now, but it seems i keep having to compile programs myself since the ones found in apt are out-of-date [22:13] rworkman: :P [22:13] Action: kitche loves doing nothing for 8 hours .... [22:13] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [22:13] kitche: days like that rock [22:13] Action: TwinReverb gives kitche something to do [22:13] beachsurfin: well, unless the ones in apt have some bugs you need fixed, or are missing features that you need, you stick to those. [22:14] i'm considering slackware but i don't know how to keep my programs updated [22:14] tommcd (n=tom@c-68-63-85-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] nullboy: well it's gonna be pretty much for the whole 3 weeks :) [22:14] beachsurfin: if you want a "rolling release" distribution, then Ubuntu isn't the place to be. [22:14] ..or how to make sure they are compiled with certain flags (not sure if slack uses flags) [22:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] beachsurfin: you build them how you like them [22:15] rworkman: i've found that out [22:15] most people use build scripts the manage that [22:15] the/to [22:15] beachsurfin: if that's what you want, then probably Arch or Gentoo will be better for you. [22:15] subgeniusd (n=subgeniu@user-1121oci.dialup.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] it takes forever to install some programs manually, because you keep finding tons of dependencies that you are missing.. is there something that one of slack's package managers uses which prevents this? [22:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] is there a listing of these scripts? [22:16] trust me.. you want Arch [22:16] why is that? [22:17] feel free to be harsh if that's allowed in here [22:17] because slackware uses the minimal amount of flags to ensure it runs on everything from i486 and upwards [22:17] also, there is NO reliable way to get automatic dependency resolution [22:17] period [22:17] so? [22:17] is this for every distro? [22:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:18] no, Arch only runs on i686 or x86_64 [22:18] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:18] and it has automatic dependency resolution (and dependency download) [22:18] who needs dependency resolution? i don't [22:18] .. and it is a lot like slackware in all the good respects [22:18] Action: Old_Fogie puts his tin foil hat on and ...*cough*checksums*cough*arch ..takes the hat off [22:18] lol [22:18] hitest: i do, i don't want to spend a lot of time resolving dependencies [22:19] hitest: this is not about your personal needs, but about guiding beachsurfin to the right distro [22:19] okay [22:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.136) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] beachsurfin, imho find a distro that has security in mind, that their package manager verifies sigs / hashes (or combo thereof) like a gentoo [22:19] beachsurfin: Arch is one of the fastest distros ive seen, yet it gives you a fair amount of controll (unlike debian or redhat deriatives) [22:20] how up-to-date can i keep my packages with arch's package management sys? [22:20] VERY [22:20] Arch has rolling release [22:20] old_fogie: or fedora [22:20] For dependency resolution I go with freebsd [22:21] for instance right now, i'm having to compile ffmpeg since ubuntu didn't compile support for many libraries into the version offered in apt [22:21] pi31415, exactly... I read about arch when installing it then rm -rf 'd it [22:21] beachsurfin, the flip side of it is, if you found yourself doing it, well you might be the type of person who likes the change their own oil if you get my drift [22:22] what's the advantage of slackware over linux from scratch? [22:22] beachsurfin, many slackers are bleeding edge, share buildscripts on SBo. it is a community that is build from source orientated. while using ubunut you found yourself the lone compiler, that's not their goal thre. [22:22] that LFS takes a freaking long time :P [22:22] lol [22:23] slackware is like jiffy mix [22:23] ive done it many times [22:23] lfs is like corn meal, eggs, milk, baking soda, etc. [22:23] and slackware has a nice and simple package system with all the power i need [22:23] LFS is hell to maintain by hand [22:23] yea , they got awesome docs tho [22:23] true [22:23] CLFS is even neater [22:24] Action: Old_Fogie pets his freebsd manual [22:24] freebsd ftw! [22:24] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] hitest, I'm really diggin it [22:24] :) [22:24] i can haz FreeBSDburger? [22:24] one thing that wigs me out about fbsd is that I will see contradictory recommendations from fbsd'ers [22:25] ie: which firewall codebase to use [22:25] pi31415, oh? I'm new to it still, 6 mon's now, what do you find they say [22:25] you will see contradictory recommendations from slackers too [22:25] which software raid codebase to use [22:25] we are just good at killing the voices that doesnt sing the mainline song ;-) [22:25] pi31415, oh I got that covered, I use zonealarm on wine for my firewall [22:25] http://seifried.org/security/os/20011107-openbsd-linux.html :: what do you fbsd users think of this? [22:25] aside from the fact that it's old [22:25] old_fogie: i mean ipfw vs ipfilter [22:25] Old_Fogie: lol [22:25] the fact that fbsd uses /usr/local makes me hate it [22:25] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:25] nah, zonealarm on wine :) [22:26] hahah Rat409 liked that one :) [22:26] I'm starting to get comfortable with freebsd, using since 5.x [22:26] thrice`, yea it's goofy [22:26] yeah /usr/local is weird [22:26] thrice`, I'm still trying to get used to tab completion on fbsd as well, it's still diff. then again, i really "just use" fbsd so not really much time in term to be honest [22:26] thrice`: I consider that to be good but then again my view point is different then most Linux users [22:26] "Unfortunately this software is extremely non-trivial, and has a steep [hanging sentence]" [22:27] FREE TEH BSD [22:28] ...plus they have gnome [22:28] Action: Old_Fogie hides [22:28] argh! [22:28] because .net is more free than qt [22:28] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h182n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Old_Fogie: ha-ha-ha-ha [22:28] and fbsd's ports are dated :) [22:28] pi31415: LMAO :P [22:29] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h182n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:29] yeah: some ports are indeed dates [22:29] dated [22:29] nope the gnome from fbsd is mono less, as I dont use them apps ; no libmono onboard [22:29] I use KDE in freebsd, does the job for me [22:29] pi31415: has it ever occured to you that .net and mono is the biggest trap that Novel has designed and implemented to give power to MS over free software? [22:31] why vote for the LESSER of two evils? [22:31] pi31415: not to mention that Qt is now LGPL only [22:31] macavity, I'm playing devils advocate (as I believe there is some merit to that) ; but.. if you think about it, Red Hat is shipping mono now.. if MS was to make a move, they could/would have by now, no? [22:31] umm QT is not LGPL only [22:31] QT is GPL LGPL and commerical [22:32] macavity, I mean think about it, Red Hat ships it, Red Hat didn't sign the deal (so they say) ; so their's certainly enough "ammo" to go infront of Judge Judy you'd think. [22:32] let me look this up one more time [22:32] hang on Fogie [22:33] I think qt4's lgpl is conditional [22:33] I like the concept of a common language runtime [22:33] qt4 lgpl is really for companies that do not want to pay for support [22:34] kitche: QT 4.5 will be solely LGPL when it's released. [22:34] jkwood: odd how the trolltech site does not say that [22:34] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@68.149.60.47) joined ##slackware. [22:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:36] http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/01/14/nokia-to-license-qt-under-lgpl/ [22:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] that pretty much kills the use for a commercial license [22:37] not really [22:37] and since they will now be accepting patches from outsiders, that would make it impossible for them to release a commercial version (say with added functionality) without a copyright signoff by the patch authors [22:37] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:38] commerical version did not have any added functionality anyways from what I have read [22:38] ...unless "commercial license" means "LGPL + access to internal docs and staff and other support" [22:38] no, it makes it affordable for commercial use [22:38] jkwood: and also QT is under the GPlv3 license LGPLv2.1/GPLv2 as of QT4.5 [22:38] LGPL makes it affordable for commercial use :P [22:38] We will continue to release Qt under GPL 3" [22:38] sorry, that's what I meant (mis-understood you :O ) [22:39] that is a given.. LGPL allows you to convert to GPL [22:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:39] commerical license was more about support really [22:39] kitche: Ah, my bad. It will be both LGPL and GPL. [22:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] I m just reading the blog on the first annoucment and it states QT4.5 will also be available under commerical licensing terms [22:41] i've tended to avoid c++ including qt [22:41] that is a given.. anything that is LGPL is also GPL.. all you gotta do is say "the version on my hard drive is GPL!" and so it is :P [22:41] tended to perceive it as fragile bloat [22:42] macavity: yes LGPL2.1 is GPLv2 but it's not GPLv3 so you do have to say what version of the license you want :) [22:43] hmm trolltech site is gone now anyways they changed the domain [22:43] ah so you say QT as cute :) [22:43] no, Qt is cute [22:44] QT is a hideus thing that should have been strangled in the navel cord... [22:44] "Hello, my company is Trolltech, and we pronounce cute as cute." [22:44] yes Qt is pronounced as cute I always just said Q t [22:44] macavity: What wm/de do you prefer? [22:44] sajes: KDE [22:44] im a feature junkie :P [22:44] KDE depends on Qt. ;) [22:45] i know [22:45] ive been in the KDE camp since 1.1.2 [22:45] KDE is awesome [22:45] one of these days i will try kde [22:45] kde 4.2 is "the answer" [22:45] qaah-you-tee or que-tee [22:45] is it easy to get on slack? [22:45] I've only been using it since 3.5.8. I'm probably going to ditch as soon as 4 is standard. [22:45] pi31415: look in /testing [22:45] pi31415: read the README [22:46] sajes: KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were horrible... and the KDE guys knew and intended this [22:46] Action: agentc0re is back, with beer and food! \0/ [22:46] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.136.69) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [22:47] last tiem I checked 4.1 was considered stable by the KDE guys [22:47] agentc0re: what kind of beer? :) [22:47] as in the ABI [22:47] macavity: Well, if they fix it, I wouldn't mind using it. But the uncustomizability of 4 when I tried it was a deal breaker. [22:47] maybe i'll wait till the next version of slack to try kde [22:47] sajes: that was part of the rockey road to something new and better [22:48] sajes: let me dig up a youtube vid that shows you just *how* extensive the 3.x -> 4.x move was.. [22:48] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) joined ##slackware. [22:48] macavity: I wouldn't be able to view it anyways. I have a horrible connection with limited bandwidth. [22:48] BP{k}: :D Not sure if you over heard about my shitty liquor laws here in utah. But i am limited to what i can get at the grocery store. However i did get me some tetley's and guinness. I make them into a half and half [22:49] Yay rural areas. [22:49] agentc0re: what about bring some nice stuff in? [22:49] is tha tlegal? [22:49] ah, that sucks [22:49] Oh and back to my shittastic laws here in Utah, they are trying to push a law that the State can track memberships to bars/clubs by forcing the establishments to use our ID barcodes to scan us in. [22:50] what if your barcode doesn't scan? [22:50] Akuma0n4 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:50] nullboy: You can. You have to go through the state Liquor stores. I haven't tried it yet, but they actually have a pretty decent selection. [22:50] I do realize that a lot of work was put into KDE4, but I figure I'll wait to switch until it's better. [22:50] It's just getting the will to drive to the stores that are open this late at night. There is one close by me, but it closes at 7pm...WTF, I know. And all of them are closed on Sunday.. [22:51] sajes: i at least wait until the software i see in extra and/or testing shows up in the main line slackware/ directory [22:51] sajes: grap this: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/youtube-dl [22:51] Nick change: Akuma0n4 -> Akuma [22:51] sajes: its a python script that lets you download the vids [22:51] agentc0re: Businesses closing at 7pm aren't really much news to me. The eye doctor in my area is only open three business days out of a 7 day week. [22:51] nullboy: Well it's not in effect right now. But i think it's cuz the church wants to know which memebers are going to bars to drink. [22:51] sajes: then watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2RwYF8-oZE [22:52] some of our liquor stores are open until the legal last call [22:52] 2am [22:52] it explains all the technological pillars of KDE4 [22:52] agentc0re: you mean "all of them" ;) [22:52] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] sajes: Ya, but this is the state liquor store. It's the only place to buy "real" liquor. Grocery stores only carry 3.2% beer. [22:52] anyone happen to have wrt100 older firmware? [22:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Slackware_guide_for_AMP_Apache_MySQL_and_PHP [22:52] BP{k}: HEHE, yeah. [22:53] Lil question here. [22:53] I'm using this guide and php is not working with Apache... [22:53] haha our grocery stores have everything. Infact you find the wine/hard liquor isle right next to the bread/cake isle [22:53] beer gets its own cooler isle [22:53] Any hint? Another tutorial maybe? [22:53] doesnt every store? [22:53] ganeshix: I have only one reply to that [22:54] macavity: not in Canada or some states [22:54] macavity: I'll get it at 3-6AM EST and watch it. Bandwidth isn't counted against you during those hours. ;) [22:54] "OH dear lord, in all the name that is holy .. What the bloody fuck" [22:54] nullboy: Ya, i love visiting out of state for that reason. It was amazing how much i took it for granted when i was in the military and stationed else where. [22:54] BP{k}: WTF? LOL [22:54] sajes: ok.. it is 1h 17m long.. and it is REALLY worth the watch! [22:54] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [22:54] agentc0re: read that "howto" .. from now on to be renamed as "howthefucknotto" [22:55] ganeshix: cat /etc/slackware-version [22:55] haha [22:55] I just wasted ~12 hours watching 5 movies. I don't mind watching another hour or two. ;) [22:55] Oh, i get it now. HAH, i just needed to read up further. [22:55] seriously .. people like that should be prevented from breeding... ever. [22:55] i have weed [22:55] Also, am I the only one that thought saw 2 was horrible? [22:55] I'm concentrated on my beer drinking and eating skills right now... [22:55] battlemidget: you have a toilet too? [22:55] battlemidget: Get some weedkiller. Takes the crab grass right out. [22:55] macavity: weed on the toilet [22:55] save the ales! drink more beer. [22:56] battlemidget: that would be my suggestion, yet :P [22:56] battlemidget: rather, IN the toilet.. dont forget to flush [22:56] ganeshix: the point is ..1) never touch linuxpackages 2) slackware comes standard with apache, php, mysql and a whole bunch of others things, all that you need to run a LAMP server [22:56] after i smoke it [22:56] just say no... [22:56] i am so lost right now. wtf is going on [22:57] nullboy: everything and nothing all at once [22:57] it hurts [22:57] i say no to STDS [22:57] nullboy: http://tinyurl.com/howthefucknottodo [22:57] battlemidget: Smoking marijuana isn't good for you. If you must get high, get a vaporizor. And don't forget to bring a towel. [22:57] LOL [22:57] BP{k}, tnx for answering. Actually, I did not install anything. I just did minor (I hope) changes according to this: [22:57] i hear sucking dick stunts your growth [22:57] Are you short? [22:57] http://www.oemr.org/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=SlackWareInstall&back=SlackWareInstall [22:57] WTF? [22:57] rworkman++ [22:58] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.80.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] ganeshix: good, good. You just may have saved your bacon and sanity :) [22:58] battlemidget seems armed for a war that no one wishes to partake in. [22:58] rworkman: maybe [22:58] I think you have it backwareds though. I'm short, and I hear BP{k} is tall. [22:58] BP{k}: has that always been the case since 2005 though? (thats when that was made). [22:58] BP{k}: ;-) [22:58] rworkman: :) [22:59] nullboy: im not armed , just hangin out [22:59] nullboy: oh, ill poke him now and then to keep him riled up :P [22:59] No arms? How do you type? [22:59] rworkman: my cock [22:59] im talented [22:59] Action: sajes types with his nose. [22:59] battlemidget: oh, that makes sense. [22:59] wow.. that brings a whole new meaning to the word "disarm" :P [23:00] uoi';sfyuporew ;lkiulkjrew tehjoiufds iu iu dsarewfds iunmrew [23:00] LMAO [23:00] rworkman: keep practicing [23:00] rworkman: with your feet, like this guy with his guitar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3gMgK7h-BA [23:00] Cock on the wrong keys? [23:00] agentc0re: well 2005 .. you're talking about slackware 10.{1,2} [23:00] battlemidget: it's too big - no way to hit only one key. [23:00] Wanna get lost in rockin roll! :P [23:00] perhaps a ball ring to keep the blood in [23:01] rworkman: nah you just need ninjacaq skills [23:01] battlemidget: no, just make sure the keyboard has a sexy color [23:01] BP{k}: Ya i know. I wasn't around then, but thats when that guide was created. I know it's a no no now... but was that the case for 10[1,2]? [23:01] agentc0re: you do realize you're asking the equivalent of "Has that pile of shit always smelled bad?" [23:02] agentc0re: it had mysql, php, apache , the lot back then. Maybe the version weren't the same .. but nothing ever should justify downloading from LP.net. [23:02] *evar* [23:02] if you are gagging that badly for a "shiny new version (tm)" you should know/learn how to compile stuff by hand :) [23:02] rworkman: Haha, i'm not saying downloading from LP.net is a good thing. i'm just talking about the guide in general i guess. I'll drop it. [23:02] maybe temporal dementia but that's about it [23:02] Why is elvis marked as required in the installation of 12.2? [23:02] or just switch to a bleeding edge distro [23:03] BP{k}: I agree with you there whole heartedly. [23:03] sajes: Pat prefers it to vim. [23:03] agentc0re: I haven't read the guide, to be honest; however, I'm not getting a good feeling about it :) [23:03] You "need" one of the two. [23:03] sajes: belive it or not, but the vi editor is part of the POSIX specification [23:03] I wish i could play guitar as good as that guy. Shit i even have two arms so i should be better. What a fuck head for being good at the guitar with his feet. [23:04] sajes: because Slackware comes with two vi implementations: elvis and vim. One of them has to be required, and since elvis is smaller, elvis it is. [23:04] I prefer emacs. :o [23:04] sajes: so it should be part of even a highly minimalistic system, as some apps rely on $EDITOR to contain something valid [23:04] sajes: sicko. [23:04] ;-) [23:04] emacsudo just doesn't have the same ring. [23:04] sajes: i envy you [23:04] Action: agentc0re slaps sajes with a huge trout [23:04] macavity: What for? [23:04] Action: sajes slaps agentc0re with his one-eyed trouser trout. [23:04] my eyes! [23:04] rinaldi (n=chatzill@adsl-072-148-191-246.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] sajes: i have seen hardcore emacs users do editing at a pace i can never keep up with, despite being a reasonably fast typist. However, no matter how many times ive tried to get to grapes with emacs, it just wont click in [23:05] sajes: its approach to usablility keeps killing me :-/ [23:06] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.159.193) joined ##slackware. [23:06] vim ftw [23:06] I'm not a hardcore emacs user. I've just started using it a couple months ago. There's still much for me to learn, but that's what the manual is for. [23:07] straterra++ [23:07] I used to use joe and jed a lot .... [23:07] then I went on a Sun Microsystems course ... and got brainwashed about the goodness that is vi [23:07] lol [23:07] i use joe when editing config files [23:08] and kate when programming [23:08] actually more like: "if you don't learn how to use vi .. you are going to have a problem passing this course, and we're not waiting for you" [23:08] lol [23:09] i would like an editor like that of Borlands Turbo IDE [23:09] but, belive it or not, that is to this day not possible with ncurses [23:09] kate has vi mode now, just saying... [23:09] macavity: that was based on Brief [23:09] NyteOwl: roger [23:09] very nice programmers editor [23:10] yes [23:10] but, ncurses does not support live tracking of the mouse [23:10] can you still get Brief? I know it was Windows only [23:10] it kinda works on BSD [23:10] but gpm and xterms == nogo [23:11] Action: spook ncurses macavity [23:11] so, you cant "drag" a text window and have it resize dynamically [23:11] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] spook: #include [23:12] ncurse her? I 'ardyly know her! [23:12] :P [23:12] :D [23:14] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Hi everyone, I'm recieving install issues with both Slackware and the slackware based Zenwalk, I was wondering if someone could help me with the partitioning situation? [23:16] we cannot answer questions about Zenwalk [23:16] but what is the problem with Slackware? [23:16] I know I'm just leading everyone to assume it's a slackware problem :P [23:16] you are using zenwalk, you are most likely to be eaten by a grue [23:17] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:17] the problem is that I have windows xp/ubuntu installed and have tried to partition overtop of Ubuntu to install but recieve read-only messages opening cfdisk [23:17] rantic: is that a sata disk? [23:17] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] I googled that message and people said it was wrongly believing my dvd drive was the hard drive, so i fixed that by doing cfdisk /dev/sda [23:18] Yeah it's a sata disk [23:18] ah, i see you checked [23:18] it was correct, the partition was the size of the slackware dvd :P [23:18] but it still says read-only? [23:18] So AFTER getting past that and partitioning and beginning the install, it failed part way through on a random package and gave me "Killed" 3 times [23:19] O_O [23:19] that's the issue I had with Zenwalk :p [23:19] not my problem.. whats the problem with the slackware installer? [23:19] aside from it wrongly reading my dvd drive as the hdd, it failed part way in the install [23:19] I haven't tried a 3rd time ;o [23:20] cfdisk is rigged to open /dev/hda if no other drive is given [23:20] so that is not an error [23:20] i see [23:21] well this computer had slackware 10 on it in the past, the only things that have changed hardware wise are a new harddrive, mobo bios update and video card [23:21] if there is no /dev/hda you get an error message.. which is quite logical.. it has to open *some* drive [23:21] the "only thing" :P [23:21] lol ;p [23:21] oh and a new processor i got last week, that's what the bios update addressed lol [23:21] but confirm: does the vanilla Slackware installer also choke? [23:21] The second error sounds like the root partition wasn't mounted to /mnt, so the packages were installing to the ramdisk that you're running in, so when the ram filled up, byebye. [23:22] and that's all the Zenwalk support you'll get from me. [23:22] That happened on Slackware though :P [23:22] odd [23:22] It very well can. I just did it last night. [23:22] PEBKAC was the cause in my case. [23:23] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [23:23] it happened in the X package series I think, just said Killed. on 2 different lines and brought me back to a blank empty prompt [23:23] rantic: go doubble check that you confirm the / partition to the installer [23:23] lotec (n=lotec@87.sub-72-114-210.myvzw.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] what filesystem did you format slackware / in? [23:24] macavity: I setup the swap and root partitions and than it immediately sent me to the screen for expert install etc [23:25] macavity: I don't recall getting that far [23:25] ... [23:25] macavity: I had another quick question before I go try this again, Do I assign the boot flag to the /root partition despite a boot flag being on my NTFS partition as well? [23:25] it *should* ask you about filesystem type right after you tell it which one to use as / [23:25] ;o [23:25] no [23:26] Oh.. [23:26] I added a boot flag to / because I remembered doing that in 10 [23:26] the bootflag is of no importance, and is disregarded, if you install lilo to MBR [23:26] which you should [23:26] mhm [23:26] k well I guess I'll go try this again, thanks for the help brb [23:27] one more thing [23:27] Well, maybe. Some BIOS'es are braindead and will refuse to boot anything if a partition isn't marked bootable. [23:27] (I've seen one) :) [23:27] that should in theory NOT be possible [23:27] In practice, though, there are some braindead BIOS out there. :) [23:27] as the boot flag is only used by the factory bootloader that resides on an un-alterd MBR of every disk [23:28] lilo can even create such a bootloader for you [23:28] ;o [23:28] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: [23:28] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Connection timed out [23:29] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [23:30] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [23:30] the theory goes: BIOS cunsults it boot-order list, and tries the MBR of each of those devices for a valid bootloader, if it finds one it hands controll to said loader. if its a factory bootloader it will look at the partition table and find *the* partition that is marked bootable, then chainload the first sector of that partition [23:31] the problem with the windows installer is that it *also* checks to see if the MBR is a factory bootloader... since the windows bootloader resides on the indivdual partition's superblock [23:34] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] hmm for people in the US and liking beer: "http://www.twobrosbrew.com/Red%20Eye%20Porter.htm" [23:40] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:43] macavity: That's really handy to know. 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