[00:00] end enabled it ! ? [00:01] ! ? <--- Are you yelling or asking [00:01] edit the xorg.conf to enable it, it's already onboard. if you want the compiz-fusion stuff which is != compiz then get the buildscrippages off of SBo Fzza3a [00:01] asking , [00:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:05] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Old_Fogie, slack 13.0 is out [00:07] I see /etc/profile.d/dbus-bash-completion.sh has been moved to /etc/bash_completion.d/dbus-bash-completion.sh in --current. Can someone on --current (as I dont have it here) tell me if a 'grep -rl dbus-bash-completion.sh' in /etc/profile.d exists? [00:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:08] edman007, hahaha [00:08] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] no, really [00:08] there is not compiz in xorg to enabled , [00:08] edman007, where'd you stash the time machine? [00:08] hrm [00:08] pi31415, i use my eyes [00:08] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [00:08] didn't realize it but PV gave the nod to armedslack as the official ARM Port of Slackware on April 2nd [00:08] Fzza3a, "edit the xorg.conf to enable it" <--me before to you :) [00:08] Latest Version is 12.2 [00:08] http://slackware.com/getslack/ [00:09] just close your eyes for a while, when you open then you will go forward in time [00:09] pi31415, thats out dated, slack 13.0 is out [00:09] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:09] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] well, since there's no takers on that dbus ... I guess I'll symlink it then. [00:09] Action: edman007 hands neonflux_ a stable connection [00:09] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] hmm, not stable enough [00:12] like this in xorg | Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" | y/n ? [00:13] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] I dont see the word any reference to composite in your line there like this do you : Section "Extensions" (newline) Option "Composite" "Disable" (newline) EndSection [00:14] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] or "Composite" "Enable" [00:14] you have to restart X for that to take effect btw. [00:15] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] good way to test if the onboard composite works is in XFCE. it can use that Fzza3a [00:16] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:16] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] xcompmgr ? 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[00:36] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [00:36] good work Old_Fogie [00:37] booyah! [00:39] bono (i=bono@118-168-234-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: "BitchX: the official IRC client of the 2004 Olympic Games" [00:43] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:57] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:57] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] hmm, ##linux could use a slackboy [01:02] how about a nullboy [01:03] no, nullboy only causes splits [01:03] i went out and surfed today right before this storm came in [01:03] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:03] it was pretty big, lots of water moving around [01:03] it was cold and cloudy today :( [01:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.2.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:04] had snow here :( [01:04] alright...thats worse [01:04] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] I'm so tired of winter this year, man I can't wait to get out into the yard, garage, etc [01:04] bono (i=bono@118-168-234-127.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:06] i have to drive home over the weekend...160 miles each way :/ [01:07] Old_Fogie, where are you anyways? [01:07] buffalo? thats far... [01:07] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "mbbl" [01:09] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [01:09] pRoToCoL79 (n=Mitch@24-179-248-62.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [01:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.44.208) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [01:15] anybody use opera? [01:16] I use opera. [01:18] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:19] firebird619 im trying to get flash plugin to work, can't figure it out [01:19] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:19] birdlives, i can't sing [01:19] Do you have flash installed? [01:19] edman007: lol. [01:19] How are you doing edman007? [01:20] good [01:20] but getting pissed at some code [01:20] really pissed, and its due on friday [01:20] well i tried but it but flash says to: choose a valid directory path [01:21] birdlives: How did you install it? [01:21] edman007: that's not good. Hope you get it figured out. [01:21] i tried using the installer, and i copied the .so file into the opera directory [01:21] firebird619, me too [01:21] Just curious, but any reason you didn't use the flash available at www.slackbuilds.org? [01:22] lol i didn't know there was one, i already have it working for firefox though [01:22] Personally, I would recommend using that, I do and it works great. [01:23] alright downloading it now thanks [01:23] birdlives: np [01:23] edman007: that channel is useless [01:24] Be aware that if you install that and have copied the .so to Firefox, you may have a conflict between the two, you'll have to remove the .so file you copied over. [01:24] birdlives: ^^ [01:24] hmm [01:24] What exactly was asking for a valid directory path? [01:25] birdlives: you mean when running the ./flash-installer script? [01:25] yeah exactly [01:26] You know Adobe should just say "put this file in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ; make sure root owns it, and it's 0644" on their site...and would reduce so much hastle on that darn plugin [01:26] They make it a big production to install... it's just one file...wth. [01:26] Ah, that usually defaults to put the .so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins iirc. [01:26] i already got it working for firefox, just want it to work in opera also [01:26] Old_Fogie: yeah they do. [01:27] birdlives, what directory did you put the plug-in into? [01:27] /usr/lib/firefox [01:27] birdlives: It needs to go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. [01:27] birdlives, no ..take it outta there, put it into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory, be sure is owned by root:root, and it's chmod 0644. opera and other mozilla apps will see it then..konqueror too [01:28] Also, opera usually defaults to looking at firefox directory, so if you get that .so to the right directory, opera should see it as wel. [01:28] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [01:28] ok i will try that, and firebird619 thats what i thought [01:28] nullboy, yea..well i'm in a lot of useless channels, like #gentoo...i went in there because i got a gentoo box and someone broke emerge on what i assume is their "latest stable" [01:29] birdlives, *all* plugins for mozilla (konquerror and opera too) go in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory. they all know to look there well except songbird lol [01:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Old_Fogie: How have you been? [01:29] edman007, oh gentoo cant even be updated once you install it now adays...what a nightmare. I had reloaded my box...and tis' a complete mess..right off the live cd. [01:30] firebird619, pretty good thanks, just waiting for winter to be over. And you? [01:30] Doing great, thanks. I'm also waiting for winter to be over, there's some snow on the ground now, but suppose to be in the 40s and 50s all week. [01:30] so the snow should be gone soon. :D [01:30] groo (n=groo@unaffiliated/groo) joined ##slackware. [01:30] edman007, it's just a complete fail. goes to show how rolling releases ..and waiting *forever* to rerelease a install media for said distro's is a a bad mix [01:30] oes [01:31] yeah it wont let me installer it there, says "enter a valid installation path". is it good just to copy the .so file there? [01:31] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [01:31] birdlives: Yes, that will work. That installer script should really automatically put it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins though. [01:31] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-296892.html [01:32] speaking of gentoo [01:32] birdlives, that's all the installer should do [01:32] i've used wikis and documentation from all kinds of distros to get things working on slackware [01:32] other distro docs are cool [01:32] When I've used the installer before, it's always just put it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, no issues at all. I use the SBo for flash now though and that works great. [01:33] birdlives: With that script, did you specify /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/? [01:33] nullboy, there wiki is good. their install doc's are bad imo, horribly out dated. especially the fact that they have 9 million how to install docs, you can't possibly know which is the one to go with [01:33] archwiki has some good stuff and a lot of the info up at thinkwiki can apply to other laptop brands [01:34] freebsd is worse tho, they dont even have the network cards listed with the right dev name [01:34] lol [01:34] yea arch's wiki is pretty good [01:34] too bad the distro sux :) [01:34] :o [01:34] lol [01:34] yeah /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, i had this problem before and it worked with /usr/lib/firefox so i never really cared [01:35] hiptobecubic: did you have a chance to try those instructions yet? [01:35] if so, did it explode? [01:35] Hmmm, I'm not sure what is wrong with that, you can copy, or better yet move (mv) the .so file from where you put it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and firefox will see it as will opera and konqueror, etc. [01:36] birdlives: Also, make sure the permissions, etc. are correct as Old_Fogie mentioned. [01:37] anyone ever listen to Deltron 3030? [01:37] sounds like something outta "Spaceballs The Movie" [01:38] http://www.megachan.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/official-4chan-keyboard.jpg [01:38] "hmmm...lemme kick on Deltron 3030 and spy on the aliens.." :) [01:38] I have an interocitor [01:38] I wouldn't use a 4chan keyboard, its' probably got a keylogger trojan on it :) [01:40] that has got to be The Ugliest Keyboard i've ever seen [01:40] nullboy, no not yet. gotta get this backlog of homework done first [01:40] built in pencil holder [01:41] gotta love that 'enter' button :P [01:42] it would actually look kinda neat if the rest of the keys were pried off [01:42] ta8__to_8 (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:42] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] why not just copy to ~/.mozilla/plugins ? [01:44] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:45] this pretty much sums it up right here. i think we're done now http://memetical.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/1234999725195.jpg?w=510&h=318 [01:45] anyway, sleep time, have a nice day/night [01:45] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "leaving" [01:49] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Yup! I was right ... again (/me huffs onto the nails and rubs on the chest).. updates to --current tonight. Now I know why I couldn't get to the site . http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [01:49] Wittic (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "::" [01:51] i don't see it [01:51] vatgas (n=val@123.145.61.208) joined ##slackware. [01:52] http://dev.slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware-current.xml [01:52] Old_Fogie, told you 13.0 was out [01:52] oh man...thats a big update [01:52] osuosl doesn't have it yet [01:53] Tue Apr 7 20:12:35 CDT 2009 [01:53] thats from osuosl [01:53] nullboy: yeah I noticed that myself. [01:53] what? [01:53] already? [01:53] Action: edman007 slaps hiptobecubic [01:54] :D [01:54] i just rsynced with osuosl, it's not there yet [01:54] unless i got banned again [01:54] I'd ban ya [01:55] :) [01:55] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [01:55] bono (i=bono@220-136-227-71.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] the rss feed I got on the update was only twelve minutes ago. [01:55] morning [01:55] I need some cofffee [01:55] just get a bottle of that starbucks liqueur [01:56] I read ( I think at Phoronix ) that the kernel 2.6.29 is good for sqlite... that might help this blasted firefox/sqlite/anti-phishing yuk yuk performance. Gonna grab the kernel config and try it out. [01:56] nullboy: how did you end up banned from osuosl before? [01:56] chopp: i screwed up a script and it hammer their site with md5 verified rsync requests for like 3 hours [01:56] rsync frequency? [01:56] yup ok. [01:56] after that they disabled md5 ability for their rsync [01:56] \o/ [01:57] md5deep for the win! [01:57] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:58] did I ever mention that the Edmonton Oilers suck real bad [01:58] bunch of bums tonight? [01:58] yes indeed [01:59] 2 to 1 for LA. puts the Oil out of the playoffs. [01:59] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [02:01] nullboy: .30 is at rc1 too. [02:01] nullboy, no you're right. I'm trying to grab imagemagick, and it still has the old tgz, and sources, yet the changelog is showing a newer version. yup. it's not fullly sync'd yet [02:02] chopp: yep! [02:02] no change in that wireless-kernel tree though. [02:02] Action: slackytude got coffee [02:02] \o/ [02:02] Hey slackytude. How's it going? [02:02] there's another i want though too, the ext4 lost of power fix [02:03] nullboy: slated for .30? [02:03] chopp: that's what i remember yeah [02:03] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [02:03] i just wait for kernel newbies to post the break down [02:04] yes, handy site as well. [02:05] Nick change: bono -> uva [02:07] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] neonflux has connection problems. Day/Night for weeks, nor ever sais a word. [02:09] nullboy: have you ever used navit, or do you use gpsdrive? [02:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:09] i use gpsd with kismet, googleearth and gpsbabel [02:10] sometimes i use the magellan map tools in an xp vm [02:11] allright. I want to get a gps device, and try navit out. [02:11] chopp: oilers playoffs.... hm... oxymoron? :P [02:11] antler: no shit mang. [02:11] uva (i=bono@220-136-227-71.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:11] uva (i=bono@220-136-227-71.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] chopp: looks like navit can use raw feed or gpsd [02:12] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:12] gpsd would be better so you could use it with multiple programs at once [02:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] when I was still in high school many years ago, I worked at a fancy restaraunt that the oilers came too after home games and practices. I got fired for taking a pail of butter patties, and tossing the whole pail of them to the ceiling one at a time, then raised the heat before they came in. [02:14] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] nullboy: yes to gpsd [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:15] chopp: haha [02:17] gpsbabel is a must for converting to google format and back [02:17] to be honest i stopped watching hockey right around the time steve smith scored on his own net during the playoffs with calgary [02:18] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [02:18] firebird619, morning! fine, I managed to get to work on time [02:18] firebird619, how are you? [02:18] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [02:18] nullboy: ok thanks. I won't be doing this for awhile yet, but good to know. [02:19] any bioinformaticians in here? [02:19] all i have is a freaking fingerprint reader [02:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] nullboy, so yes, then? [02:21] ten year since matrix went to cinemas [02:23] slackytude: Hreat, thanks. [02:23] s/Hreat/Great/ [02:24] hiptobecubic: i know enough about fingerprint readers to get them running but i'm no professional bioinformatician [02:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:25] nullboy, think you could interpret one of these? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/geo/gds/analyze/analyze.cgi?ID=GDS2519 :D [02:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] sheet i dunno maff [02:25] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [02:26] Chrysalis (n=UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [02:28] nullboy, i don't even know what that means. [02:28] hiptobecubic, pretty colors! [02:28] nullboy, some kind of secret bioinformatics jargon [02:29] well here, this part doesn't involve knowing any real background info: [02:29] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:29] I can't help but notice that if both the x and y axes are being grouped based on similarity, which is what those hierarchy trees are supposed to suggest, then the significantly looking blocks of color would just be a product of the way they graph is made and don't actually mean anything. [02:30] right? But then why would anyone make this useless fucking mess of a graph? [02:30] Shuren (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:32] i see how to read it but it is a mess [02:33] you have to zoom in to read the expression at the top but i still don't know why some are linked by lines [02:34] it's a gene expression map i think [02:34] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:35] oculus_ (i=linux@36-2.cable.lpoy.dnainternet.fi) left ##slackware. [02:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:37] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [02:38] jayd512 (n=chatzill@96-28-95-153.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] i figured it out, i cracked the code [02:39] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/rgb.swf [02:40] dislexic-gaz (i=1000@114.73.189.141) joined ##slackware. [02:41] I have a noobish type question. Upon booting the installation DVD for 12.2, what's the kernel option for the generic kernel? [02:41] everytime you link that, I get there, then go crap, nullboys trying to send me into a seizure. :O [02:41] lol [02:41] :) [02:41] Action: edman007 slaps nullboy [02:41] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:41] i keed i keed [02:42] jayd512: generally you just press Enter [02:42] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.22) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Urchlay: Isn't that for the huge? I want one that's faily stripped. [02:44] jayd512, for installing.. use huge, it's there for a reason..it get's you into a new install without headache, then you can try and add generic to your lilo (keeping huge on board - Just in case) [02:44] Or do I just need to re-compile after installation? [02:44] Ah... cool. [02:44] eh, oh, right [02:44] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:44] no need to recompile [02:45] Gotcha. Thanks, guys. [02:45] redtricycle1 (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] I should know better than to answer questions about the install DVD, I almost never actually use it... [02:45] lol... [02:45] (it doesn't need reinstalling like that other OS from brand X!) [02:46] every release, i burn a dvd [02:46] and install [02:46] redtricycle1, same here [02:46] okay, thought I was in the minority [02:46] <_RadioHead> morning [02:46] thanks Old_Fogie =P [02:46] Brand X, huh? [02:46] b/c I heard how peron A installs from the network [02:46] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@62.120.106.167) joined ##slackware. [02:46] person B always stays current.. [02:46] Been Brand X free for over 3 years! [02:47] yeah, I do too, but only once per release per machine (and I'm down to only 2 machines that run Slackware) [02:47] 3rd box runs slamd64, everything else is gone or packed away in storage :( [02:47] only 3 pc's? tisk tisk :) [02:48] I thought we had a 10 pc minimum here in ##slackware [02:48] dude, I rent a 10x15 room... [02:48] bah! plenty of room :) [02:48] Urchlay: that was plenty of room for me [02:48] $300 bucks a month [02:48] all I did was sit in front of the computer anyway [02:48] and spend like 12 hours a day at work [02:48] =/ [02:48] if Atari computers and game consoles count as "PCs" I do have about 10 PCs here [02:49] :) [02:49] chuckle [02:49] jayd512 (n=chatzill@96-28-95-153.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032713]" [02:50] Oh yeah, I was going to ask [02:50] anybody compile Boxee on slackware? [02:50] If not, can anybody recommend an easy to install/run Media front end? [02:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:52] redtricycle1 (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [02:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-101-33.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] Shuren (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[03:22] http://www.hammacher.com/publish/74923.asp?promo=xsells [03:23] http://store.irobot.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3395800&ab=CMS_IRBT_looj125_040109#specifications [03:23] you're not alone anymore sucka [03:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@62.120.106.167) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:31] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [03:33] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-e5491faeb48bdce6) joined ##slackware. [03:33] dislexic-gaz (i=1000@114.73.189.141) left irc: "Leaving" [03:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:34] does anyone have a success story with av capture cards under linux for use with security cameras? [03:34] yes [03:34] me [03:34] worked fine [03:34] what card did you use? [03:34] no clue, been some time [03:34] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-e5491faeb48bdce6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:35] heh, I guess thats not very helpfull [03:35] lol [03:35] <_RadioHead> does anyone create raid1 and after reboot MD device started OK ? .after reboot always my MD device fail to start i need to run --assemble --run MD DEVICES [03:36] but it wasnt too bad at that time. I was afraid I might run into driver trouble but it worked as soon as I powered on the pc. driver loaded and working. wasnt a expensive card either [03:36] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-e0324cbd3a51db8b) joined ##slackware. [03:37] worked finr with v4l. used motion and some scripts to have it send text messages to cell phone on movement and stuff like that [03:37] I have to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [03:37] _RadioHead:what does fdisk -l tell you about the disk volumes under the System column? [03:37] that was a great contract work [03:37] firebird619, see ya [03:37] nullboy, used slackware for it too ^-^ [03:37] later slackytude. Have a good day. [03:37] slackytude: that's exactly what i want [03:38] <_RadioHead> nullboy: i created software raid and started succesfull , but when i reboot linux i always need to rerun array [03:38] i have a camera already but i need an analog capture card for it [03:38] _RadioHead:what does fdisk -l tell you about the disk volumes under the System column? [03:38] nullboy, that was when 11 came out. I know I was upgrading from 10.2 to 11 on some machine [03:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:38] <_RadioHead> nullboy: yes [03:39] nullboy, maybe just check some linux hardware website [03:39] nullboy, but I doubt that you'll run into big problems [03:39] slackytude: yeah i'm looking at ZoneMinder's wiki [03:39] _RadioHead: ok? [03:40] zoneminder, eh? pretty big if I remeber it right. did you check out motion? [03:40] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left irc: "leaving" [03:40] slackytude: i grabbed both so i could try them both out [03:41] aye [03:41] <_RadioHead> nullboy: sorry i was checking output [03:42] <_RadioHead> yes all is ok nullboy , my problem is like this : i created raid1 via mdadm , all runing ok BUT if i reboot slackware i need always to run mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md0 DEVICES [03:42] <_RadioHead> and then is ok [03:42] ... [03:42] _RadioHead: what does fdisk -l tell you about the disk volumes under the System column? [03:44] <_RadioHead> nullboy: all partitions* and /dev/md0 (with no partitions) [03:45] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.172) joined ##slackware. [03:47] <_RadioHead> nullboy: i think i found problem just to check it ... [03:47] <_RadioHead> one moment [03:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:48] that's 3 times already [03:48] no answer [03:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] <_RadioHead> nullboy: about disk volmues ? [03:50] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left irc: "BitchX: you'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel" [03:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:51] what does fdisk -l tell you for the System column [03:52] not sure if an admin here or not to update the //topic : openssl (SSA:2009-098-01) php (SSA:2009-098-02) xine-lib (SSA:2009-098-03) [03:54] <_RadioHead> nullboy: http://pastebin.com/m880fa86 [03:54] sdb and sdc are part of md0? [03:54] and md0 is R1? [03:55] <_RadioHead> db1 and sdc1 are part of md0 yes [03:55] <_RadioHead> md0 now is stoped , wait ill assemble it [03:55] change the IDs to "fd" Linux raid auto [03:56] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:56] if you change those over to be Linux raid auto detect they should be detected by the kernel automagically [03:56] <_RadioHead> nullboy: i tried [03:56] <_RadioHead> http://pastebin.com/m6f8978c8 [03:56] you didn't [03:57] <_RadioHead> nullboy: o yes i do , coz thos 2 disks are virtual and testing only [03:57] nullboy: putting in a security system after the weirdo at the bar? :) [03:57] change the partition flags of sdb1 and sdc1 to type fd [03:57] groo (n=groo@unaffiliated/groo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:57] chopp: lol [03:58] whats the programm that shows key events? [03:58] xev [03:58] thx [03:58] np [03:59] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12257 [03:59] _RadioHead: [04:00] groo (n=groo@187.46.173.47) joined ##slackware. [04:01] gah, no mouse wheel [04:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:05] yo slackerz [04:06] <_RadioHead> hi dtanner [04:07] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] sup _RadioHead [04:07] <_RadioHead> nada i need a coffee ;) [04:07] me too [04:07] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [04:08] i will have to brew a pot [04:08] i need to run to the store too [04:08] bbl [04:08] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:08] oi! [04:08] works [04:16] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:17] ZoneMinder needs a load of stuff from CPAN [04:18] its pretty big, do-it-all kind of thing [04:18] it can do ptz cams and X10 [04:20] ptz? [04:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:25] groo (n=groo@187.46.173.47) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] pan tilt zoom [04:26] it needed perl serial port controls for that [04:26] _RadioHead: check this out , i just installed it on my main mixing board -> http://rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=601&ParentId=103 < this hardware and this software fx plugin -> http://rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=796&ParentId=103 [04:27] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE907DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:27] groo (n=groo@187.46.3.2) joined ##slackware. [04:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl84-191.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[04:56] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:57] today i was setting up wifi for a residential so i asked for them to enter the password for a laptop. person says that i don't need to set that one up with the wifi because it came with the internet preinstalled [04:58] n00bs rule [04:58] hehe [04:58] snicker [05:03] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198747.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:03] goddamn you Asus [05:03] hey ppl [05:04] why cant you make functional firmware? [05:06] rhetorical question [05:07] bah [05:08] Cant take X-Fi AND vVidia card cause of an IRQ conflict.. and you cant set IRQ manually... how fucking basic an error can you get [05:08] now i have to risk bios updates on the off chance it has been solved [05:08] *nVidia [05:08] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.22) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:10] modern bioses suck compared to what was just a couple of years ago. virtually no options to tweak now. especially on laptops :( [05:10] Action: Zordrak wants Intel motherboards that take AMD processors :( [05:10] I have an unused Asus M2A-VM and since it seems to be supported by Coreboot v3 I think I'm going to install that to see how it fares, it doesn't really matter much if I brick the board [05:11] Intel rule at motherboards... just not at processors or graphics cards [05:11] Action: slava_dp 's acer laptop has only the boot order in cmos setup. all other settings are "just for reference" -- can't change 'em. [05:12] Action: Zordrak beats slava_dp for bufing Acer [05:12] *buying [05:12] great lappy. had linux on it. [05:12] At this point i would trust no-one but tosh to sell me a laptop [05:13] why is that? [05:13] Zordrak: agreed , Toshiba are the best laptops imho [05:13] Action: slava_dp dislikes toshiba. [05:14] of course it is just my opinion and what i buy, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. =) [05:14] dtanner, =) [05:16] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [05:16] ok moff to explore my new FX plugins on my mixer.. bbl [05:16] my asus laptop has a nice feature in the bios, "boot booster", skips a lot of the bios statup stuff by saving settings on a hidden small partition [05:16] i used to trust Dell above all... but then their manufacturers started going to hell and thef started making questionable busineuss decisions.. about the same time Toshiba seriously got their act together after years of producing crap and so I switched loyalties [05:17] Zordrak: yes , before i go , i will say that toshiba support is top notch and so are the products [05:17] ++ [05:17] tank-man, my pc betters your pc .. get this it has a "Turbo" button :) [05:17] turbo :) [05:17] turbo button ftw [05:17] hehe Old_Fogie : ihave a couple of ol 486 machnes that have the "turbo" button :P [05:18] hahaha :) [05:18] used to have a c128 [05:18] my mum has a clause where if she needs warranty repair/replace in the first 3 years.. theyll give her her money back and do the repair/replace [05:18] twice as fast as the c64 [05:18] thats insane confidence in build quality [05:19] dtanner: masnt the turbo designed to underclock? 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[05:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [05:45] Action: slava_dp does not mind [05:45] XZ Utils - The next generation of LZMA Utils [05:46] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [05:47] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-193-183-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:48] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) joined ##slackware. [05:49] erk [05:49] xz is an unstable PoS [05:49] why the hell would pat adopt it [05:53] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.2.116) joined ##slackware. [05:54] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [06:00] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] tomin0 (n=tomin0@210.211.129.98) joined ##slackware. [06:04] goddamnnit [06:04] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:04] is it me or has floppy suppeort got worse over the years? [06:05] hi all, Can someone please suggest a simple and reliable package manager which also downloads packages, resolves dependencies, etc while working with the official repositiories alone. I'm using slackpkg. Would like something more though [06:05] tomin0: DIE! [06:06] i'm not alive anyway. [06:06] any suggestions? [06:06] This. [06:06] Is Not. [06:06] tomin0, look at slackwiki regarding your question [06:06] #RedHat [06:07] i mean god damn.. i was up till half three last night and only just got my coffee.. i dont need that [06:07] Old_Fogie: ok. thanks. Seems like I have hit some wrong vein with you guys. Please excuse [06:08] tomin0, is there a program you are particularly interested in that you are having troubles installing? [06:08] tomin0, most Slackware users care to understand (a) what software is on their box (b) how it's made (c) how it integrates (d) what affects it has (e) full control to install and remove at will at the expense of breaking things. So yeah you kinda did :) [06:08] just for the record though, i've journeyed almost 30 or so distros over last 5 years to finally settle on slackware [06:09] Old_Fogie: totally understand [06:09] Old_Fogie: tahts why i'm here too [06:09] Old_Fogie: but just sometimes i'm a bit lazy [06:09] tomin0, slackware does not follow the automatic dependency resolution philosophy but rather the KISS principle [06:09] tomin0: i dont mean to be a grouchy dick.. but thats not the way to greet me in the morning [06:10] tomin0, yeah Slackware for me (and many others) is a way to get the hands dirty, and to learn and not have our nuts broken if we want to "try" something, and battle the package manager for depends resolution. There's a ton of distro's that do that, and if you need that then I'd say give them a try (and keep a partition for Slackware of course so you can learn on as you go) :) [06:10] Greeting O exalted one! Have a great day! [06:10] ok fine [06:10] tomin0, but that doesn't mean that other slackware fellows need to be irritated by you question ;) [06:10] i'll get back to slacking and searching [06:10] zx10k1: thanks :) [06:11] tomin0, remember there is ldd and objdump tools on board to assist [06:11] Old_Fogie: Thus spoke Zarathustra ;) [06:11] tomin0, those are the fundamentals of how the other distro's "get" their depends list [06:11] i'll check slackwiki first and then get back. Thanks Old_Fogie for those progs [06:11] "Zarathustra" <--? [06:12] rki (n=rki@unaffiliated/rki) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:13] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:13] Action: Zordrak is about to brick an Asus board [06:13] Old_Fogie: a character from a Nietzsche's book [06:13] thank god i have coffee [06:13] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [06:13] aperturefever, ah can't recall having read it. [06:14] Anyone know of a slackware-mirror that doesn't carry forward the errors from osuosl.org ? [06:14] Yalla-One, what errors? But I think that's the primary upload site from Slackware iirc [06:14] Yalla-One, then it goes out to the rest [06:14] I believe, not sure [06:14] rki (n=rki@145.100.193.232) joined ##slackware. [06:14] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: lucky you , i can`t go out and got one , after eating i am desperate for a coffe :) [06:15] Zordrak, what's the matter with your stiffy? [06:15] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Old_Fogie, I believe so too. have a look at osuosl's current kde/ directory ... it has some 4.2.2 and some 4.2.1 and some 4.2.2 half-complete... [06:15] seems like osuosl started mirrorring off slackware.com before Pat was finished uploading from home to slackware.com... [06:15] Old_Fogie: wuh? [06:15] Yalla-One, yes I saw that a few hours ago. The changelog's came in for all the rev's but none of the pax were there yet. My rsync of it here now is a mess. [06:15] Zordrak, your floppy drive (a.k.a stiffy) [06:16] othat [06:16] :) [06:16] Old_Fogie, Exactly, and the mess is spreading quickly around the globe with everyone rsync'ing off osuosl... [06:16] just that udev isnt set up right so noone but root can touch it [06:16] Yalla-One, yup my rsync here of --current is now borked [06:16] Yalla-One, probably everything will be settled down on the next rsync [06:17] Zordrak, put the users in the 'floppy' group in /etc/group file. Also, change the /etc/fstab to have # /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto noauto,user,rw 0 0 [06:17] Old_Fogie: and.. often writes arent committed until umount! [06:17] tho, I'm not sure if 'user' is really needed there, I think that can be left out [06:17] writes not commited...hmm is this KDE we're talking of? [06:18] nope [06:18] dd [06:18] cp [06:18] hmmm, odd [06:18] its no biggie.. it-s just not helping my mood [06:18] but the above is what I do for stiffy's and that's it as far as the floppy's go. I'd look into the writeback feature or sync feature in 'man mount' for that and see whats' up [06:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:19] as soon as this asus is bricked im done anyway.. so not worth the effort [06:19] ok [06:21] all just because their BIOS cant handle a Creative card and an nVidia card at once.. cause.. no-one would ever put that combination in a box(!!) [06:21] hahah, I know that feeling. I've been battling an old box to let me use an 'oss' sound card and have an network card [06:22] i wouldnt mind if this was some old POS.. but it's a very 'spensive workstation pro AM2 [06:23] Zordrak, there is an option in the kernel, and I believe Slackware has it off, to let the kernel auto assign IRQ's as it seems fit over-riding the bios. Maybe that's an option for you? [06:23] debian enables it, and seems' to work well , that's the only comparison I have to give. [06:24] their official demographic for it is "enthusiasts".. yeah cause only an enthusiast could get it to work! [06:24] hey Old_Fogie :) [06:24] Old_Fogie: will look into it.. thanks [06:24] hey pprkut :) [06:24] Old_Fogie: I got your mail. Will look into it. But it may take a while :/ [06:25] flashing...... [06:25] pprkut, you've been quite busy. I stopped looking at changelogs for the past few weeks, I glance at the SBo logs, and wowzers! [06:25] Action: aperturefever sending good karma to Zordrak [06:25] pprkut, ah ok [06:25] :) [06:25] no .. red .. blocks .. please .. [06:26] pprkut, you must be working that new laptop of yours really hard then. [06:26] hahaha [06:26] groo (n=groo@187.46.3.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:26] OMFG! it didnt brick! [06:27] aperturefever: thanks :) [06:27] nah.. im reaching nirvana in a while ;p [06:27] Old_Fogie: nah, my old notebook is doing the main work because the new one doesn't have a clean 12.2 (I have kde4 on it) [06:27] although.. that WAS just a test box... im gonna do it again on another test box before i attack the problem bitch [06:27] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [06:28] the joys of having multiples of the same kint [06:28] *kit [06:28] Action: tomin0 thanks Zarathusthra for improving Zordrak 's mood a little [06:28] pprkut, aha I see. I'm hoping next slackware (or --current now) fixes the installer gencups, update-desktop routines in some way shape form. I cant go to 12.2 on many boxes becuase of it. I do alot of updating, adding,etc and it's a nightmare to maintain 12.2 on less that 1 ghz boxen [06:29] Old_Fogie: well, I don't have such machines, so I don't know exactly what you mean.... [06:30] pprkut, well for example, you know how after you install packages in Slack, then it runs cups gen ppd, fc-cache, update-desktop databases? while you're still in the installer, well sub 1ghz box .. takes about 30 minutes :( [06:30] ah, I see [06:30] pprkut, slack 12.1 it took only 45 secs [06:31] hmm [06:31] so everytime you do updates, and run the cups, the gtk-icon, fc-cache, takes about 10 minutes. so booting up sub 1ghz for me is about an 8 minute load [06:32] so I'm keeping 12.1 on them, 12.2 on the netbooks. [06:32] kama_ (n=kama@host79-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:32] well, that sucks. [06:32] im after asus eee pc 701.. (its cheap) .. is it worth it? :/ [06:32] and 11.0 on one old laptop. I havent been able to get 12.0, 12.1 or 12.2 or --current to work with a pcmcia 16bit card :( only hotplug seems to work [06:33] well, 11.0 udev or hotplug works. [06:33] but I use a 2.4 kernel cuz it's so faster on that pc then 2.6 in 11.0 [06:34] but, yeah 16bit cards seemed to be dropped from attention in the linux world I s'pose. [06:34] Old_Fogie: I have to start my bachelor thesis work *real soon* and may have a look at those performance issues when trying to improve startup time :) [06:35] pprkut, sounds like a nice project. I was reading over at debian admin site, about parrallelizing the boot process on debian. I'm thinking of giving it a try on debian that try it on slack too :) [06:35] insan3 (n=icefusio@r249-pr-lajeadogrande.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:35] insan3 (n=icefusio@r249-pr-lajeadogrande.ibys.com.br) left ##slackware ("fui"). [06:35] pprkut, here's the article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/629 [06:39] Old_Fogie: thanks!! Looks interesting :) [06:39] pprkut, yw :) [06:40] just a quick Q- Is slapt-get endorsed by Pat ? like slackpkg is? [06:40] tomin0, no it's not [06:40] is it standard ? [06:40] FFS [06:40] ok [06:40] thanks [06:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.2.116) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:41] it didnt brick... but slack dies on boot with no gfx [06:41] im gonna hope its a lilo thing and reinstall it [06:42] Zordrak, tried 'vga=normal' ? [06:44] tomin0, if you install the whole set of library packages and stick to the official packages you won't have to worry about dependency problems ever [06:44] confirmed... slack iso dies when giving vga=795 [06:44] tomin0, the same applies if you do a full install ofcourse [06:45] wtf have i got to do to get working systems around here?! [06:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:45] Action: Old_Fogie hums "mow haaa veee" [06:45] Zordrak, try that ^ [06:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:45] aperturefever: just a note: "Zarathustra" was a real person, not only a figure in a book [06:46] I still have no idea about that Zarathustra comment at me or not :) was he insulting me or what there? [06:46] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Old_Fogie: nah, I don't think so [06:46] Old_Fogie: it's worse [06:47] Old_Fogie: slack boot disk dies at enabling HT MSI mapping on defaul boot params [06:47] Old_Fogie: you'd better look up Zarathustra on Wikipedia or something, he was a priest, so I think it was in reverence :) [06:47] psychicist, ah ok [06:48] Zordrak, custom kernel? [06:48] Old_Fogie: he was actually really important for modern society as he "invented" the "absolute evil" [06:48] no.. the hugesmp on the iso [06:49] Old_Fogie: where would we be without the devil :P [06:49] pprkut, yeah really, who would we blame then :) [06:49] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@MKCCXIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:49] Zordrak, hmm, I've no idea. [06:50] if my laptop is constantly at >60oC even with cpu scaling on, should I take a look at the Fan? [06:50] i haven't cleaned the laptop for over a year since purchase [06:51] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.25) left irc: "Leaving" [06:52] I haven't heard of a laptop needing to be cleaned, but why not? [06:53] psychicist, coz i can hear the fan very clearly now. or is it just because of time ? [06:55] are you sure that cpu scaling does in fact work? I've heard from someone recently where it wouldn't work on a laptop with an AMD processor because of BIOS bugs [06:56] psychicist, i saw about 5oc or so reduction upon enabling it, and cpufreq-info shows it very clearly. so i think it works [06:56] plus i have a pretty standard intel setup [06:57] Old_Fogie: stepping back through available bioses until its fixed or bricked [06:59] Old_Fogie: btw.. know anything more about kernel irq override? having trouble finding info because as keywords go.. the results for these are vast [06:59] IntangibleLiquid: I have a laptop with a Pentium IV. it doesn't get above 55 degrees C and I can hardly hear the fan, it can also hardly get worse for a laptop since anything containing a Pentium M or Core 2 should do better than this. so I'm curious what kind of platform you have [07:01] psychicist, mine is a duo core T2130, hmm, looks like this laptop has some trouble [07:01] Zordrak, I dont have the time to verify this, but from grep this looks like it # CONFIG_IRQBALANCE is not set [07:02] a friend of mine has a laptop that could cook an egg on the same table one meter away and it's nearly mine [07:02] except mine doesn't heat [07:02] my compaq was like that, lasted 10 years too [07:02] kk ta [07:03] and laptops definitely need to be cleaner [07:03] *cleaned [07:03] stillborn (n=stillbor@YMKCDXLV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:03] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:03] they're made with that in mind : usually you can only easily open one thing but that gives you a *direct* access to the dusty parts [07:04] Camarade_Tux: is it also Core 2 based or does it contain some older generation processor? [07:05] mine is a core2, his is a (surprisingly) pentium-m [07:05] hmm, i wonder if the warranty service also does the cleaning too [07:05] but the problem is that my friend's computer just doesn't ventilate : almost no air goes out despite the fan being very noisy [07:06] it takes 20-30 minutes to clean usually [07:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:06] by yourself and is everything but hard [07:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] right, core2 does a lot better in terms of heat generation than both my pentium 3 and 4 laptops [07:07] true [07:07] both could cook eggs, the pentium 4 is even worse (it isn't strictly mine, I'm just using it for now) [07:08] ... I'm not sure it is a pentium-m, oh no ! it's a core(1) [07:09] interesting, hmm, i should look for a thread on how to clean a lappy by yourself [07:09] it isn't hard, I've done that many times. you just have to be careful not to break anything [07:11] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:11] but you also want to make sure it's actually needed, you're probably not allowed to open it while the device is still under warranty [07:12] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) left irc: "Leaving" [07:12] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) joined ##slackware. [07:12] 1- turn off and unplug, 2- wait five minutes for it cool down, 3- take the appropriate screw driver and open the biggest plastic part of the case (it should take half of the case area), 4- take a tissue and clean what seems easy to clean, 5- reverse 3 2 1 [07:13] slackytude (i=8d640adc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5822204aa6d21dc6) joined ##slackware. [07:13] you'll see warranty seals but only *inside* the case (on the cooling parts and especially ventirads), the case is free to open [07:13] greetings [07:14] Old_Fogie: looks like IRQBALANCE is just about balancing the interrupt load between cores/procs.. dont think theres anf effect on assignments [07:15] Zordrak, oh :( [07:15] Shuren (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:15] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host10-175-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Camarade_Tux, thanks man. luckily i didn't miss this part. just stoodby [07:18] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:20] Shu (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host10-175-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:23] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [07:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [07:33] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:35] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [07:35] WTF [07:36] Downgrade Not Allowed when I get to 1703.BIN [07:36] sorry 1802.BIN [07:36] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [07:38] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:38] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:40] e01 (n=e01@213.91.218.216) joined ##slackware. [07:41] export PS1='C:${PWD//\//\\\}>' [07:41] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.25) joined ##slackware. [07:41] hey :) [07:42] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:43] I have error in sbopkg : " qt-mt not found " , so what do for that ? [07:43] Fzza3a: go to #sbopkg [07:43] and [07:43] ? [07:43] it means "go straight to jail, do not pass "Go" , do not collect $200" :) [07:44] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-3d399a521e0fad89) joined ##slackware. [07:44] thankx [07:44] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] Old_Fogie: looks like my options are now just to try the X-Fi card in every other slot.. and failing that use the on-board sound card instead.. and waste the monef i spent on the X-Fi [07:46] I hate Asus SO much [07:47] and to think i used to recommend them [07:47] should have checked Linux compatability [07:47] x-fi's have never played nice in linux [07:47] straterra: dieplskthx.. this is not linux compat [07:47] actually, isn't the x-fi the card that creative's done nothing with? check phoronix.. you said creatvie before, but iirc thats that bitch card they promised to do something with but never did [07:47] this is Asus BIOS compat [07:48] keep telling yourself that [07:48] Fzza3a, you just need the qt package [07:48] the drivers are available and it all works fine in another asus board, but with an ATI gfx card [07:49] whan I fand qt package (in sbopkg ?) [07:50] whoa, slackware-curren : a/xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1.tgz: Added xz-4.999.8beta. :p [07:51] Fzza3a, what are you trying to do ? [07:52] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] install kaffeine from sbopkg [07:54] Camarade_Tux, whats xz for? [07:54] IntangibleLiquid, lzma compression/decompression [07:54] ((p)7zip is unusable as a library) [07:54] Action: Zordrak has deja vu [07:55] whan I building , tall me " qt-mt not found " [07:55] Fzza3a: #slackbuilds or #sbopkg [07:56] Fzza3a: tata [07:56] hmm, mostly zip and rar here [07:56] Fzza3a, you'll need qt4 from sbopkg or qt3 which normally comes with slackware [07:56] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:57] plz enter #sbopkg [07:59] tomin0 (n=tomin0@210.211.129.98) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]" [08:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-143-136.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:15] Nick change: _MakubeX -> MakubeX|Tidurz [08:16] slackytude (i=8d640adc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5822204aa6d21dc6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:17] slackytude (i=8d640adc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2407f6fe26c504f9) joined ##slackware. [08:19] but on 1802 [08:19] now going back to 2001 [08:19] and then see what happens [08:19] and if it's ok i'll go to test box 2 [08:20] but given this clusterfuck the BIOS update has been relegated to last resort for the box that matters [08:22] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:23] i just wish asus would outsource their soft/firmware/support to the west [08:23] my a7n8x is that way, gotta reset it all the time [08:23] they know how to make good hardware but the taiwanese cant write software for shit [08:23] they should outsource their ftp while they're at it. ever try and browse their download site... oh my word. it's hosted off an old palm pilot or something [08:24] tell me about it [08:24] and if you try and search the site it always errors or times out [08:24] and then LIES to you saying theres maintenance in progress [08:25] well,maybe they have maintenace all the time [08:25] nah, they're probably clearing the cmos on the server :) [08:25] heh [08:26] slackytude: maybe they just suck and need to remove the nvidia and microsoft balls from their mouth and outsource [08:26] maybe [08:26] they know how to write it, it's AMI who writes those BIOSes and (deliberately) messes things up [08:26] all my boards are asus except two, and they all gotta be reset. the a7n8x is the worst tho [08:27] psychicist: AMI arent the only ones to blame [08:27] psychicist: what about the rest oy Asus software [08:28] it's all donkey-spunk cheese [08:28] just look at PC Probe [08:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Zordrak: I've never installed any of the other Asus software, the BIOSes are bad enough for me (and I only run Windows in virtual machines, if I even need it) [08:29] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:30] 2nd test box = identical brickage [08:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:31] clearing cmos.... [08:31] thank god for dragonforce & turisas [08:31] do you remember the issue with Foxconn motherboards and Ubuntu last year? I see only one path forward and that is free firmwares like Coreboot. that's not even from an idealistic viewpoint but more practical, so you can fix problems when they occur [08:32] never had the luxury [08:32] all i can do is wish for the future [08:33] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [08:34] I have one spare system with a supposedly supported motherboard (M2A-VM) that I can experiment with, just to see if it works. otherwise I'll have to get hold of a BIOS programmer, something I need anyway [08:34] I also wanted to try that out [08:35] never had anything listed as compatibel tho [08:35] kama_ (n=kama@host79-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:36] cmos clear = debricked [08:36] at least thats a reproducible and predictable result for the live box [08:38] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) joined ##slackware. [08:38] one good thing i can say is at least they put a flasher in the BIOS so i dont have to make DOS boot disks anymore [08:44] eh dos boot disk [08:46] for awdflash [08:46] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [08:46] I remember them [08:51] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:52] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: "leaving" [08:55] boring lecture [08:55] CSS attributes [08:56] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:56] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [08:57] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [08:58] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:08] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=imarambi@200.68.83.121: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: php, xine-libs, openssl [09:09] hi, mkinitrd is not working for me. weird gzip problem. it uses 'cpio -H newc' but cpio does not support such a format it seems, help. on slack 12.2 [09:09] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=imarambi@200.68.83.121: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: php, xine-lib, openssl [09:09] tabb0t: more /boot/README.initrd [09:10] tabb0t: which command did you issue ? [09:11] same as /boot/README.mkinitrd [09:11] well, I changed the device part to match mine [09:12] you issued it from the /boot directory ? [09:12] thrice` [09:12] thrice`: aye [09:13] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] ok, please be more descriptive. which FS are you using, what command did you actually issue, what do your partitions look like, and what was the result [09:13] Trotsky (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:13] "it doesn't work" is about as bad of a description as you can provide [09:14] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-207-136.50-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [09:14] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [09:15] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-207-136.50-151.net24.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:15] thrice`: i know :), sorry. oddly enough, an update to mkinitrd just showed up on slackpkg. i'll just try that and come? [09:15] sure, update first [09:17] thrice`: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.27.4-smp -m mbcache:jbd:ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/sda1 [09:17] k0pp_ (n=k4rr@c-75-71-208-249.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("'in a world without walls...', who needs windows?"). [09:17] didn't 12.2 ship with 2.6.27.7-smp ? [09:18] yep [09:19] thrice`: yes it did, but tbh I'm using 2.6.27-4 for the squashfs-lzma patches [09:19] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE907DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] so, you've compiled your own kernel? why are you even messing with an initrd then ? [09:19] Nice, 2.6.30-rc1's changelog is like 90% ext4 changes [09:19] initrd should be banned [09:21] Zordrak: how come? [09:21] because its a painfully unnecessary complication [09:21] Zordrak: No it's not, it's essential in some cases [09:22] bah [09:22] thrice`: tbh, i don't really know. i suppose i don't quite understand the difference [09:22] rki (n=rki@145.100.193.232) left ##slackware. [09:22] every box i run has its own custom kernel. [09:23] Zordrak: I have a custom kernel, too, which has LUKS and LVM compiled and I would not be able to have hd encrypt or lvm without initrd first preloading the modules for it. [09:23] Zordrak: initrd exists for a reason. [09:23] thrice`: how can i build a kernel withut initrd, i thought it was essential [09:23] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] *encryption [09:24] while trying to download the latest JRE, "We suggest you use the sun download manager for this download. Install the latest JRE to use the sun download manager." [09:24] <3 sun [09:24] tabb0t: add your HD controller and filesystem driver to Pat's generic config and thats it [09:24] though, i'm still confused with the initrd thing. even if i compiled ext3 as built-in, kernel panic s still there without the initrd [09:24] fred: lol [09:24] fred: They got a good sense of humor [09:24] fred, only way to top that off would be for them to have a banner over top asking to "click here to scan your pc for virii" :) [09:24] IntangibleLiquid: probably missing a sata controller driver [09:24] fred, haha [09:24] fred: A little catch 22 for ya [09:24] same here as IntangibleLiquid [09:25] IntangibleLiquid: what motherboardZ [09:25] fred: sun download manager doesn't even work right I found out .... at least 2.x doesn't [09:25] IntangibleLiquid: that's because you also need your harddrive controller compiled in [09:25] Zordrak: sounds like a good idea, but pat's config is for 2.6.27.7 innit? [09:25] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [09:25] Zordrak, i think its an intel board [09:25] Zordrak, which command to check that? [09:26] plus i think my hdd is an ata [09:26] tabb0t: just run `make oldconfig` on a new kernel tarball, or use Pat's generic from -current [09:26] Action: kitche is reformatting a windows machien right now .... [09:26] IntangibleLiquid: lsmod [09:26] IntangibleLiquid: look for anything related to HD controller [09:27] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hmm, there doesn't seem to be one [09:28] kitche, reformatting to put win back in, or reformatting to rid the win ? [09:28] IntangibleLiquid: lsmod > lsmod.txt > pastebin.ca [09:28] Old_Fogie: making it like a fresh install [09:28] kitche, ah I see. [09:29] Old_Fogie: just backed up all of my documents and deleted the ones that I know can be deleted [09:29] kitche, I usually load in the bare essentials, then image it. no antivir, no spyware, no drivers. as those things change..I can go back to a raw point..then add the stuff back in, as Lord knows, you cant ever remove them things right and put in enw [09:29] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:30] it takes me over the course of 2 weeks to load my win box... thank heavens for imaging [09:30] Old_Fogie: true it's a media pc and I don't have a media disk laying around so I have to use the recovery disks [09:30] ++ [09:30] doing it now just incase microsoft decides to pull the updates tomorrow [09:30] "recovery" as in from the OEM? those are sooo bad, all the bloatware on them too, yuk [09:30] I feel for ya [09:30] Old_Fogie: umm no bloatware on these recovery disks [09:31] i need to slipstream an OEM disk with sp3 and updates [09:31] its ridiculous to start at sp2 now [09:31] I restored one of my acer aspire ones... it had mcafee on it right. When I booted in, in recovery mode..it always locks up the netbook. then I have to go safemode to remove it. Good job Acer! [09:32] which reminds me I need to compile clamav [09:32] Zordrak, I know.. it takes *forever* to load windows [09:32] Zordrak, http://pastebin.com/d60e85c12 [09:32] Old_Fogie: hey I like that one. Rid the win ftw. ;) [09:32] chopp, :) [09:32] great rhyme.. win & win... O_o [09:32] bah [09:32] s/com/ca/ [09:32] bad Old_Fogie, not running slack on his acer [09:32] kitche, I just grabbed alienBOB's scrippages not too long ago [09:33] Old_Fogie: compiling not for a linux system [09:33] thrice`, oh no they all are (except one has debian lenny) but they all had win xp on them when I bought them. had no choice, walmart was out of the linux ones [09:34] thrice`, probably for the best now I think of it, they dont have the SSD hard drives, they got big 160 giggers on em :) [09:34] aah, hehe [09:34] Old_Fogie: New York doesn't have linux netbooks even down here it's all windows [09:35] yup, they all got wicd, compiz-fusion 0.82, gnome, slack 12.2 :) [09:35] IntangibleLiquid: bloody laptops... it's not easy to tell [09:35] kitche, oh yeah now, you they dont even sell em' yup. I got these mmmm, about a month and half before christmas [09:36] Old_Fogie: maybe before christmas they did but now all I see is windows ones [09:36] Zordrak, o well, the other day I was able to boot from a built-in ext3 WITHOUT initrd, and that why I was really confused. I copied the config from the stock kernel [09:36] kitche, I bought one, only linux that'd work at the time (as it came with xp home) was arch so I knew in time Slack would work..so I bought 9 more :) [09:36] IntangibleLiquid: could be sg [09:36] stock scsi driver [09:36] Zordrak, sg? [09:37] IntangibleLiquid: for i in $(lsmod | grep -v Module | cut -d" " -f1); do modinfo $i;done [09:38] Zordrak, also, the modules are 2.6.29 so they're prolly more confusing hehe [09:38] kitche, it runs so much faster with Slack then XP home,that's for sure. Only thing is the 'idiot' lights for the wifi don't mean anything w.r.t the wifi switch position. I don't know what madwifi people are doing with the light's here at all. But other than that, so far so good. Haven't tested the microphone, or the expansion memory slots tho. Don't really need them I suppose, they are 160 gig drives anhow [09:38] Zordrak, is that a..command? looks scary [09:39] Old_Fogie: what type of laptop is it you are talking about ? [09:39] IntangibleLiquid: it will wipe your hd! :D [09:39] dtanner, 'acer aspire one' netbook , bought all ten of them from walmart [09:39] just run it.. it will tell you everything about every running module [09:39] snL20, :| [09:39] 10 !@!? [09:39] MO0o0o0o00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oo0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o! [09:39] dtanner, a whole array of different colors, even a pink one. and no that's not mine either :) [09:39] how much are they? [09:39] IntangibleLiquid: just kidding ;) [09:39] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-167-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:40] dtanner, I got them for about 280 ea (due to volume) plus tax for Uncle Barack [09:40] IntangibleLiquid: or [09:40] IntangibleLiquid: to start with [09:40] IntangibleLiquid: for i in $(lsmod | grep -v Module | cut -d" " -f1); do modinfo $i | grep "^description" ;done [09:40] olforder online or in stoer purchase? i didn't think wlmart gave any discounts for volume. [09:40] IntangibleLiquid: that one will look prettier [09:41] Old_Fogie: order online or in store purchase? i didn't think walmart gave any discounts for volume. [09:41] dtanner, you have to know a few people :) [09:41] dtanner: 10 laptops isn't really volume :p [09:41] dtanner, in store yup [09:41] Zordrak, looking into the output [09:41] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-166-37.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:41] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] dtanner, they were basically 35$ off each [09:41] I see [09:42] so 350 bux discount [09:42] hey, 10 percent roughly, I'll take it :) [09:42] Action: kitche goes to check's out enienm "palin" rap [09:42] :( [09:43] people still pick on that broad? [09:43] yep [09:43] :D [09:43] kitche: les claypool - of fungi and foe - red state girl [09:43] of course... out of jealousy that theyre not the ones banging her nightly [09:43] welcome to the media! =] [09:43] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] well, gives the liberalss something to do I guess [09:43] Zordrak: seriously plenty of other people i'd rather bang than palin [09:44] acidchild: she's quite high on my list [09:44] acidchild, yeah but the only reason you'd kick Palin out of bed, is to get her on the floor... Admit it! [09:44] nowhere near the top [09:44] but well above the middle :) [09:44] Old_Fogie: hell nar. [09:44] Action: acidchild has a hot bitchz event lined up soon >:] [09:45] iceborn (i=1001@dsl-kpobrasgw1-fe52df00-5.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:45] legs that kill, and can hunt a moose, and drinks beer, what more else is there in a dame? [09:45] yay killing poor animals is just so damn sexy eh? [09:45] I'm not sure I'd consider a moose a poor animal [09:45] Those things can fuck you up [09:45] they wont be poor for long, obama is going to xfer wealth remember :) [09:46] i'd consider you a poor animal straterra [09:46] Ide prefer to hunt the people who shot the wildlife [09:46] Why? I shoot back [09:46] Action: acidchild slits straterra throat [09:46] Action: acidchild walks off [09:46] well she eats what she kills, that's what they do in alasksa [09:46] I see nothing wrong with hunting if you eat the animal and don't let it go to waste [09:46] straterra, ++ [09:46] Please. [09:46] Stop now. [09:46] I mean..thats what people have done for....ever. [09:46] Trotsky: indeed :> [09:47] This conversation will NOT improve with time [09:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:47] yeah just like burning fosil fuels. [09:47] lets continue! [09:47] eh? [09:47] what d'ya think McDonald's in essence does, they "kill it" and "package it" for you. go to the source I say. no steroids, no genetically engineered food, and you know where it came from. [09:47] Action: snL20 *farts* [09:47] People havent been burning fossil fuels forever [09:47] Action: Zordrak will invoke Godwin soon enough [09:47] and over fishing the seas! yay! if we've done it before it MUST be right to continue [09:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Nick change: stillbor1 -> stillborn [09:48] acidchild: give me a big juicy whale burger any day! [09:48] :D [09:48] why has the conversation moved to politics? [09:48] snL20, and some lamp oil to eat by [09:48] acidchild: all the worlds problems have only one root cause and you know it and it's something no-one will ever be allowed to tackle [09:48] Old_Fogie: yay! :] [09:48] I'm not talking about politics..I'm talking about shooting and eating animals [09:48] Zordrak, there wasn't anything that mentioned hard disk controller, hmm [09:48] Over-population --- that's IT [09:49] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-e0324cbd3a51db8b) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:49] IntangibleLiquid: then your controller is compiled in or uses sg [09:49] straterra, these days.. "anything" is political. you say something on irc, you offend 3 people, 2 birds, and 5 hogwarts [09:49] i had the most amazing hamburger at Fran's last night [09:49] damn it was good [09:49] Fran Godfrey? [09:50] http://www.fransrestaurant.com/flash_site/index.html [09:50] ugh [09:50] chain food [09:50] aye [09:50] Zordrak, do you know where they usually put these controllers in the kernel. I can prolly have a look at menuconfig [09:50] it was at 1AM [09:50] late night after booze food acidchild ? that's the best. [09:50] a cow is somehow different than a moose? [09:50] agreed [09:50] chopp: nope. [09:50] Action: acidchild is a meat eater. [09:51] have you seen ol rosco! :D [09:51] IntangibleLiquid: Device Drivers > Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (.experimental) drivers [09:51] IntangibleLiquid: but you need to find out what your controller is [09:51] IntangibleLiquid: give me lspci [09:51] Old_Fogie: what do you use to make your windows images ? [09:51] Zordrak, hang on [09:51] i thought pata was old, why is it experimental? [09:51] dtanner: Acronis [09:52] nooper: its exp drivers for P-ATA [09:52] rather than age-old generics [09:52] nooper: esp stuff like silicon image raid controllers [09:53] Old_Fogie: hehe no, just late to dinner :) [09:53] dtanner, well I have norton ghost, and power quest drive image 6,7 and 8. but I have used the build scripts for partimage/newt/slang at alienbob's and they do in fact restore/save windows just fine too. what's nice is, if you're dual boot, you can restore windows from linux as you use your linux :) I've tested win98/2000 and XP, I dont knwo of vista tho [09:53] wikipedia says pata is synonymous with ata/atapi, Zordrak [09:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:53] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] Old_Fogie: eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [09:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Action: acidchild throws poo at Zordrak [09:53] nooper: lol wikipedia lol [09:53] Old_Fogie: s/ghost/acronis/ge [09:53] Zordrak, well it's good to know opensource can do it tho :) [09:54] so who wants coffee, time to hit up the cafe. [09:54] Zordrak, oh the old app's..yeah well I bought em', have em' they work fine up to XP (which is the last version of Win I bought/own) [09:54] ? [09:54] <_RadioHead> dtanner: for windows images i use acronis works great. [09:54] Zordrak, http://pastebin.com/d2a7fe587 [09:54] Old_Fogie: acronis lets you do funky stuff like re-driver ~XP on diff hardware [09:54] <_RadioHead> acidchild: me :) [09:54] _RadioHead: ! [09:54] dude, how you doing? [09:54] thansk Zordrak and Old_Fogie , i may have to make a windows image here soonish. [09:54] jamesstanley (n=james@82-33-61-156.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Zordrak, oh I never heard of acronis before, I'll check it out [09:55] <_RadioHead> acidchild: waiting ppl to pick mee up and go ~ [09:55] IntangibleLiquid: bingo [09:55] Zordrak, it must be this one IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 02)! [09:55] <_RadioHead> how about you acidchild ? [09:55] IntangibleLiquid: its the standard intel ich7 southbridge controller [09:55] _RadioHead: not use to being awake at 9:30 haha. [09:55] dtanner, I have all my win boxes imaged. Makes life easier, as they just seem to rot on the vine, so I just restore from an image once per month, do updates, throw in newer apps' boom done in like 2 hours. Much easier than running av scans, spyware scans all the time, etc etc [09:55] about to get some coffee then continue my project. [09:55] bbs [09:56] <_RadioHead> acidchild: haha i always get late 2 work aprox 1 hour :) [09:56] IntangibleLiquid: CONFIG_ATA_PIIX [09:56] is it y/n/m ? [09:56] <_RadioHead> Old_Fogie: agree spare a lot time [09:57] ezill (n=adam@84.19.45.164) joined ##slackware. [09:57] (use / to search in menuconfig) [09:57] it takes me weeks to get a windows box ready for my use if I have to do a clean load... it's just nuts. and based on the years of me using windows, I learned my lesson... image and image early! :) [09:57] where can I change hostname env var ? [09:57] or just grep the .config [09:57] Old_Fogie: what do you use for anti-virii , spyware and adware on your win machines? [09:57] Zordrak: same quesiton for you if you dont mind ^^^^ [09:57] Zordrak, haha great tip with the search one [09:57] <_RadioHead> Old_Fogie: :) install windows/drivers and imagezilla :) [09:58] dtanner: mcafee (tied n atm) and spybot if it's necessary.. but it never is [09:58] dtanner: never had a problem in this network.. ever [09:58] Zordrak, =y [09:58] dtanner, I'm using avast now for a/v. I dont know if it's very good, but it doesnt bog down the system. avg used to be nice, but it's so bloated this last version. but not all my boxes have antivirus on them, or anti spy..I stopped using all that they dont do any good I find. [09:58] IntangibleLiquid: then it's in-kernel [09:58] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC14320.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] IntangibleLiquid: complete red herring [09:59] <_RadioHead> dtanner: if i need to scan a windows machine what i do is boot from live cd (slax, slackware) scan with antivir (avira ) and all is ok after [09:59] IntangibleLiquid: which leads me to ask.. when ut panics.. WHY does it panic... what does it complain aboot [09:59] <_RadioHead> Old_Fogie: also me using avast for costumers , working good [09:59] dtanner, for the most part, I just run windows for a month, then restore from image, and do updates and that's my security scheme for windows :) [09:59] Old_Fogie: Zordrak i have been using AVG for any windows work i do. have you tried AVG before? it works pretty good for me , even the trial version [10:00] Zordrak, god knows. will catch the message next time, or should I just disable the initrd to see how it works? [10:00] dtanner: been there done that moved on [10:00] <_RadioHead> dtanner: AVG can`t remember aprox 1 month ago had a bug , deleted critical windows file and screw windwos , i prefer avast or better Avira [10:00] go nuts [10:00] dtanner, avg used to run nice even on p3 866, but now.. it's just bogging the system down totally. so I've been playing with this avast , and so far I'm impressed. I use no machine nx over to slackware ..so my win boxes really dont touch the internet to be honest, which is why I dont really run a/v or a/s any more. [10:00] _RadioHead: that sucks [10:01] Zordrak, hey, does that mean i can safely remove the other ata drivers? [10:01] i need a huge external hdd [10:01] while their network stuff like ePO is fucking abysmal and hateful.. a standalone McAfee VirusScan 8.7i is pretty small and clean [10:02] IntangibleLiquid: PRECISELY!!!!!!!!!! [10:02] <_RadioHead> dtanner: why you need antivir ? for costumer? [10:02] gah one of my recovery cds are named wrong it seems ..... [10:02] _RadioHead: yes [10:02] dtanner, but I've really gone back to using win alot more now since I'm sick of FLOSS and ATI/binary/free drivers and I have alot of ATI cards here, so those boxes are primarily windows now, with nx to slackware host. [10:02] Action: Zordrak goes back in time to delete some !s [10:02] IntangibleLiquid: why waste ram on them when you dont need them? [10:02] Zordrak, awesome man [10:02] hence why EVERY machine i run has a custom kernel [10:02] <_RadioHead> dtanner: i use avast and avira both are great [10:03] been trying hard to strip down the kernel :D [10:03] Old_Fogie: too bad about the way ATO drivers have always either 1) sucked or 2) not available way back in the day [10:03] <_RadioHead> avira always did job for me as a file server in my slackware box [10:03] =I start with Pat's generic.. add ext2/3 and sata controller and then strip out or modularise all the other drivers [10:03] on a side note, the new bitdefender for unices with gui works pretty well on my box, though i don't find a reason to have it [10:03] IntangibleLiquid: dont 'n' them.. 'm' them [10:04] Zordrak, oh yeah, "m" them just in case :) [10:04] IntangibleLiquid: keep them available as modules because who cares if they take up a little space.. just dont have anything you dont need compiled-in [10:04] dtanner, I look at it this way. I bought the ATI cards, when I used Windows (never even heard of linux), they still work (the cards) so when they go I'll get nV then. I'm tired of the binary issues, the need to rebuild on kernel, the xorg free radeon lack of perfromance (hopfully that'll change - but I'm not holding my breath) so , windows it is til then [10:06] IntangibleLiquid: my servers in their default config, run about 60-70MB RAM fully booted [10:06] Old_Fogie: understood completely. when i used windows and when i first started out with linux i had alot of ati cards and i got pissed off regularly and started switching out to NV cards . anything i buy now i get nv for sure. [10:06] the new DNS/DHCP/NIS server for example.. not in use but all daemons running == 74768K RAM [10:07] Old_Fogie: that's a little bit ironic and also unfortunate, because I mostly buy ATI cards because of the free drivers. I acknowledge performance of the free drivers isn't as good as it could be but otherwise I haven't had many problems except for the lack of 3D support with newer RadeonHD adapters [10:07] dtanner, yes that's what I'm going to do too. [10:07] dtanner: just done that myself [10:07] dtanner: gone to less power.. but it's worth it to stop the whole damn thing hanging if i try to fullscreen mplayer.. and makes lil black agfain, not green [10:07] *lilo [10:08] Zordrak, great man, thanks for all the help and tips :) [10:08] psychicist, I liked ATI in windows, still do. I had such bad experiences with nv in windows so when I used windows nv wasnt even a choice to me. having used linux for almost 4 years, I feel like there is a constant carrott waved in my face that "hey Old_Fogie we're working on your cards....just hang in there". I'm just tired of ATI/linux .. so back to windows for them boxen. [10:08] I was just reading the slackbook, and in http://www.slackbook.org/html/system-configuration-kernel.html, it says "cat arch/i386/boot/bzImage > /vmlinuz". Why use cat instead of cp? [10:08] Also, shouldn't that be /boot/vmlinuz? [10:09] anything to get people off RAM hungry and pointlessly complicated initrd setups [10:09] Lets shoot a deer! [10:09] straterra, ++ [10:09] initrd should be a tool that you use when you need it...not part of a default core setup [10:09] deer jerky ftw [10:09] actually that is good stuff [10:09] Zordrak: understand completely. you would THINK that the dunmb a$$ ATI people ( and many other vendors of many other devies / hardware would start giving a shit about linux drivers .. i get really pissed about that , I am thinking OK NOW WE EXIST and you all know we buy hardare so wtf is yor problem ? ii think they are paid off by bill gates to not pay attention to linux. [10:09] Old_Fogie: I understand, in the end it's better to use whatever works than constantly fight these problems and waste your time in the process [10:10] dtanner: to be fair to them.. thefy ARE trying [10:10] jamesstanley, that's actually /boot/vmlinuz, but i don't see why cat instead of copy either [10:10] dtanner: but it's too late [10:10] more than 10 years ago yes [10:10] dtanner: they suck [10:10] OK. Thanks IntangibleLiquid [10:11] too little too late [10:11] dtanner: nvidia got a massive head start [10:11] indeed they did [10:11] psychicist, yeah and some of these cards,they're only 4 years old or so, so they got a lot of years in them. When you run those pc's in windows, they *snap* the video, windows open, etc...but in Slack/linux ...ugh. I'm just tired of it. I wish they did work, even half as good as windows and that'd be an option but it's just not the case for me. [10:11] Action: IntangibleLiquid rebooting to catch the kernel panic [10:11] wait1 [10:11] i have had great success with nvidia binary drivers for years now [10:11] huh? [10:12] i recommend all kernels as vmlinuz-uname [10:12] psychicist, my p3-866mhz intel i810 box runs flash better than an amd 2500 with an r350 :( [10:12] then symlink vmlinuz to your dufault [10:12] *default [10:12] Zordrak: yeah! and always keep a "known working kernel in lilo" as a safety net! [10:12] HugeSMP [10:12] pattwo (n=pat@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] dtanner, i keep the install cd just in case [10:12] all my lilo confs are custom default, hugesmp available [10:13] dtanner: totally [10:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [10:13] dtanner: i wauldnt buy anything else [10:13] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [10:13] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] dtanner: go back in time and stop me from buying the X1800XT the day it was launched [10:13] big changes for yesterday :o [10:14] hehe Zordrak , no time machine here though :( [10:14] dtanner: that X1800XT is now in a box [10:14] Zordrak, what tix me off is, an 1800xt isn't old [10:14] Zordrak, and they dropped it [10:14] Action: straterra pets his 8800 [10:14] it's still powerful.. but ive nowhere to use it [10:14] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] ATI really messed up with dropping support at this time, and the way they did support. [10:15] 8400GS might be a little underpowered but 1. It works, 2. it has 512MB vram 3. it works, 4 it's fanless, 5 IT WORKS! [10:15] they should THINK of how much busines they are missing because of no linux support [10:15] tho, I shouldnt be surprised, they stopped supporting the tivo features of my radeon 9700 all in wonder only a year after I bought the darn thing. it wont even load after win xp service pack 1 [10:15] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:16] Old_Fogie: I've noticed that too, but you know what's funny? when I put my AGP Radeon 9200 in a system with an AMD Athlon64 at 1.6 GHz containing an AGP slot, performance was a lot better than in an old system with an AMD Duron 900 MHz, so I didn't have to thow it out after all. I haven't seriously messed with R300 and R400 hardware but performance with RadeonHD cards is somewhat bearable (except for the lack of 3D support) [10:16] I'll *never* buy the tv/tuner cards *ever* that I promise you. [10:16] ONE ATI card has redeeming features [10:16] the PCI version of the 9250 [10:17] for now on tv cards, happauge, video intel or nv. [10:17] <_RadioHead> time to go ~ . all have nice time [10:17] it's like an RTL8139 NIC... ALWAYS have one lying around just in case [10:17] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.14) left irc: "Leaving" [10:17] I wish intel made real man AGP, or PCI-x cards...what's with this 'onboard only' business model crap ? [10:17] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86-46-193-183-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] i will never buy an ATIO product period . i have not purchased an ati card since around the year 2000 and do not plan to ever again [10:17] -O [10:17] I have two of those PCI Radeon 9250 cards, so I can test them on non-x86 architectures [10:17] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Old_Fogie: intel suck at graphics... just look at the mess they made of the Dell Latitudes [10:18] they need to stick to chipsets and net drivers and dump the processor and gfx market [10:18] dtanner, what's odd is, I have 8 ati tv-wonder pci and they all do tv awesome in linux... but never even worked right in windows. but the all in wonder video card & tv tuner...nope ati will never get my money on that again. [10:18] Dump the processor market? [10:18] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:18] That's their heavy hitter cash wise [10:19] that and licensing for them [10:19] hey there guys, anyone tried to install the ati driver with 2.6.29.1? [10:19] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) joined ##slackware. [10:19] i *think it was a 7500 card the last time i purchased an ATI card ( not quite sure but i think thta was the model chip ) [10:19] straterra: dont stop it sucking [10:19] What? [10:19] Zordrak, the boot process was faring well without initrd :) [10:19] until.,.. [10:19] Zordrak: Blue tree horse sideways [10:20] straterra: argle fargle oogle goop [10:20] You were the one speaking unintelligible nonsense [10:20] dtanner, yea I can only imagine how bad ATI support was back when you started using linux...ugh. [10:21] dtanner, I'd have gone running to nv too [10:21] Old_Fogie: the 2d support was great on my ati card then , but the 3d was non existent [10:21] straterra: I just want a sy-stem with: ATI 64bit proc, Intel chipset, nvidia gfx, intel nics and creative sound [10:21] but it will never happen :( [10:21] I had a matrox G550 card at the time, pretty much everything was supported including 3d [10:21] ATI doesn't make processors [10:21] bah [10:21] AMD [10:22] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.25) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:22] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ [10:22] =) [10:22] IntangibleLiquid: until..... [10:22] dtanner: im still on 5200+ [10:22] Action: tabb0t wonders about GPU's being processors [10:22] The Core 2/Core i7 lines mopped up AMD on high end performance [10:22] dtanner: but it beats the Pentium D 840 i was on [10:22] dtanner, wow that's a nice one there [10:23] Action: Zordrak is surrounded by A64 X2 5200+s... but nothin more [10:23] Old_Fogie: i lov eit and the temp stays around 40.0C all the time no matter what i am running [10:23] i still hope there's a time when i can touch an AMD processor, it's good actually [10:23] I would never pick AMD's current line up except for their cheaper stuff [10:23] dtanner: EXACTLY [10:23] I'm not so sure about Core 2, but i7 is a great leap forward for Intel in terms of system architecture [10:24] all the PCs i bought for my friends came with AMD processors [10:24] dtanner: why do intel need to bxe hitting 60C to get the same results? [10:24] psychicist: Core 2 was too [10:24] scubacuda (n=rog@adsl-99-21-232-117.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Core 2 was something intel could FINALLY pit up against the AMD64 lines [10:24] Old_Fogie: My intel doesn't. [10:24] err, Zordrak [10:24] Zordrak: AMD ftw! [10:24] straterra, ? huh..oh nm :) [10:24] likevinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:25] Infact, my Opteron at home is one of the hottest running CPU's I've ever owned [10:25] the bleeding edge stuff from intel is always hotter than what AMD comes along with a month and a half l/ater [10:25] dtanner, yes my amd's all hover around 104 F too, very stable temp wise Ilike the amds for that. [10:25] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.25) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Zordrak: and..the Intel stuff is still faster [10:25] Prescott was the nuts... but it burned like chlamydia [10:25] same for the pentium Ds [10:26] Prescott was trash compared to AMD's offerings [10:26] " it burned like chlamydia" <--- hee hee [10:26] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] guys, can anyone make sense of this ati modile compile error? : http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/640903 [10:26] AMD used to be way hotter then Intel [10:26] amd were slower to hit the performance mark.. but not by much and the quality was higher and the temp was lower [10:26] Not by much? [10:26] Core 2 STOMPED all over AMD [10:27] straterra: sure, the Core 2 microarchitecture was and is good, but overall system architecture still hadn't caught up. I think Core i7 finally lets the slightly updated microarchitecture (first with Penryn and now with Nehalem) shine [10:27] Kaapa: it means "wait til/l ATI get off their ass and tweak their module for 2.6.29" [10:27] AMD's current line chips are just NOW being able to keep up with Intel's previous generation [10:27] well my amd's all take higher volts than my intels, so hotter is expected in my book [10:27] psychicist: I used to own a Penryn..loved it [10:27] gaaah [10:27] :S [10:27] I feared that [10:27] Kaapa: could have told you that before you downloaded it [10:28] do you use the X radeon driver? [10:28] if you use binary gfx drivers.. stay off the bleeding edge kernels [10:28] fact [10:28] I don't consider slack's -current bleeding edge :p [10:28] Old_Fogie: off the current topic but , i have DITCHED FF for opera , much smoother and I love it. I used opera years ago when there was only mozilla or netscape for full featured browsers, then i went to phoeninx.. then it changed to ff , [10:28] Old_Fogie: i stuck with FF for years , now I am back to Opera on linux or windows installs. [10:29] dtanner, I'm all opera here too (or links). the rest of my family I'm slowly converting. More secure anyhow ( I'm going to be yelled at but it's my opinion) [10:29] Kaapa: thats the POINT of -current [10:29] Old_Fogie: and Opera doesn't hose up on random flash sites like FF does. [10:29] 2.6.29.1 IS the latest stable kernel [10:29] Zordrak: pat is way to conservative for that :p [10:29] see? "latest stable kernel" [10:29] dtanner, yup, and you don't need to update it once a week [10:30] *sigh* [10:30] anyway, I know [10:30] I'm not complainig [10:30] dtanner, now that it works with mozilla plugins it's awesome. [10:30] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.25) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] Zordrak: do you use the radeon driver? [10:30] i prefer lynx over links but yeah. opera + lynx for me , and i keep Dillo installed and use it especially for reading documentation and such [10:30] Kaapa, 2.6.29.1 is the latest kernel! I have serios wifi problems with it since the WPA module has changed completely and the proprietary driver from broadcom is not working [10:30] Kaapa: it,s 6 days old! [10:30] dtanner, only a short while ago, getting plugins to work was a pita. so let's say a year ago... you probably wouldnt have like it. [10:30] Kaapa: i did.. but not now [10:30] Zordrak: what do you use? [10:30] Kaapa: swapped for nv two days ago [10:31] oh, phisically [10:31] Old_Fogie: Dillo is pretty cool for a small fast as lightning browser if you don;t need all the features [10:31] sick of ati making my box unusable [10:31] Zordrak, same here...went back to windows cuz of it [10:31] Actually, 2.6.29.1 shouldn't be any different from a video drivers perspective than 2.6.29 [10:31] straterra: we're talking about ATI [10:31] dtanner, yeah I see they are going to be starting dillo2. that's awesome, cuz dillo itself, the developement had stopped [10:31] So? [10:32] straterra:they'll need another month or so at least [10:32] It has NOTHING to do with ATI/Nvidia/Intel/etc [10:32] Zordrak: when you used radeon X driver, were you able to suspend/hibernate? [10:32] It has to do with 2.6.29.1 vs 2.6.29 [10:32] straterra, in the ATI world, it's always a guess if you'll get a working DRI with even a point release :( [10:32] Old_Fogie: My point is..saying 2.6.29.1 is only 6 days old is irrelevant as 2.6.29 is older than that [10:32] straterra: stop being argumentative for the sake of it... just cos you tried to change the subject it wont make me care [10:33] I'm not being argumentative [10:33] straterra, oh I misread you [10:33] You're being wrong. [10:33] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:33] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] 2.x.y.z.... z is a SECURITY revision [10:33] well 2.6.29 has cve's so you might as well update to the latest one [10:33] not a functional one [10:33] straterra: i was qualifying "bleeding edge" [10:33] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [10:33] 2.6.29.1 is no different than 2.6.29 to ATI [10:34] it was a second thread to the convesation damnnit [10:34] die [10:34] ok, how do i get .bashrc or .profile to be read? [10:34] *plonked* [10:34] So, saying ATI doesn't have a driver because its only zomg6 days old is..irrelevant [10:34] had enough of you today [10:34] Then stop being wrong [10:34] someone remind me to unplonk him next week-ish [10:34] 2.6.29.1 is no different than 2.6.29 to ATI <--- It should be you're right, but I have seen the driver blow-up/not build on a point release fwiw [10:34] mmlj4: bash -l [10:35] s/shouldn't be [10:35] Old_Fogie: Correct..and do you know why? [10:35] mmlj4: .bash_profile anyway [10:35] my guess, is the script that are used, not really the driver itself straterra [10:35] Because the Linux devs are idiots making functional changes in security revisions [10:35] that doesn't do anything, the -l i mean [10:35] well, I don't mind waiting... but the worst part is not being able to hibernate with the 'radeon' driver :S [10:35] mmlj4: ^ [10:35] and linux users bitch too much. [10:35] straterra, oh the whole "don't touch my taint" thing yea [10:36] Zordrak: BTW..publically announcing an ignore is sooo 1995 [10:36] settle down kids, play nice =) [10:37] well linux-2.6.27.X is the long term support version, and ATI builds on that, so if someone "needs" ati blobs, and secure kernel that's the one to go with as far as I see it. [10:37] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:37] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left ##slackware. [10:37] figured it out, thanks [10:37] hormonal teenages [10:37] Nick change: dtanner -> Oldest_Stogie [10:37] Who's a teenager? [10:37] Old_Fogie, :) [10:37] OMG ANOTHER holiday , what is it with a holiday evertime i turn around !?!? [10:37] the .Z isn't just for security, it's also bug fixes [10:37] straterra: you, biologicaly [10:37] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC14320.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:37] acidchild: Incorrect [10:37] i was on the 27s but moved up to 28s about a month ago [10:38] what is this, a exam. [10:38] change is good [10:38] Well..you were the one talking about me being a teenager..and I'm not. [10:38] So.. [10:38] thrice`, yup [10:38] but soemtimes stability beats changing a kernel just so you have toi latest is not a great idea either [10:38] Action: Zordrak needs to ignore lines containing .. hearing one side of a conversation is confusing [10:38] 2.6.27 -> 2.6.28 gave me a decent battery-life increase :) [10:39] Zordrak: how are you today? [10:39] acidchild: better than i was this morning [10:39] it's .profile... dunno why I didn't catch it working earlier [10:39] Zordrak: hehe, i had my coffee! [10:39] =D woo [10:39] acidchild: not too bad n fact [10:39] now that i sowrth it if a change in the lkernel gives you soemhting you want that the older kernel did not have or was unstable support [10:39] yeah, 2.6.28 is better for my netbooks, so it makes sense for them to get upgraded. but my pentium 2 with MMX technology (R) is fine with 2.4.X :) [10:39] Zordrak: Again..publically stating ignores is zomglame [10:39] but just changing to say "i have the latest kernel" is pointless IMHO [10:39] Oldest_Stogie, agreed [10:40] i am still runing the stock version that came with 12.2 [10:40] Zordrak: i think you've offended straterra, welldone! :D [10:40] cool [10:40] I'm not offended at all [10:40] running solid nad happy as all get out =) [10:40] :) [10:40] Nick change: Oldest_Stogie -> dtanner [10:40] his turn anyway [10:40] I dont' see any reason to not run latest and greatest series for a personal machine [10:40] Tho, I've read 2.6.29 is supposed to work good with sqlite so that might be a plus there [10:40] Infact.. [10:40] That might fix the firefox bloat for the anitphishing [10:40] Zordrak: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=21730 [10:40] Old_Fogie: waybe worth it for the Trac server then [10:40] or so I read ..from Phoronix I believe [10:41] too bad -current won't update xorg for KMS :( [10:41] thrice`, or for gnome 2.26 :) [10:41] Zordrak: + a 25W amp = 15244W ERP [10:41] Action: acidchild gets frozen turkey out [10:41] tabb0t (n=tabb0t@202.83.43.146) left irc: "BitchX: No wardrobe malfunctions here!" [10:41] maybe we just need to complain more to alienBOB :) [10:41] acidchild: wtf? [10:41] Zordrak: :D i'm building a WiFi P2P link :-) [10:41] thrice`: better have me do it :) [10:41] thrice`, cool, I got another person for my petition :) [10:42] I've got 2.26 built, but it's buggy. I did something wrong [10:42] Linux seventakeone 2.6.27.7-smp-2 #7 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 13 12:37:37 CST 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [10:42] acidchild: what kind of range has that got? [10:42] I cant tell my gnome to shutdown the computer from the panel :( [10:42] as an example, heh [10:42] Zordrak: about 12-15km [10:42] line of sight [10:42] are you doing consolekit / policykit stuff? [10:42] Old_Fogie: you know how to solve that [10:43] thrice`, yes [10:43] dtanner: awe you have an extra 1000 [10:43] and rebuilt hal ? [10:43] thrice`, yes [10:43] thrice`, and removed the udev rule from hal that slackware uses [10:43] dtanner: Linux cid 2.6.28-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 17 06:42:43 UTC 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [10:43] acidchild: meh... doesnt beat the laser on the roof here at work [10:43] p2p laser into a fibre net [10:43] I haven't used the policykit, but it seems stupid [10:43] Zordrak: i've looked in lasers [10:43] acidchild: use x86_64 you sissy [10:43] acidchild: you still have a nice chip [10:43] that's got to hurt [10:44] the bandwidth is no better than a cable.. but the latency is creamificating [10:44] burnt retina ftl [10:44] thrice`, I have hal working, just not power down. I even have printers added with gnome too, no issues there. I gotta leech off of ubunut I guess for their pam stuff/policy kit stuff see what they did. [10:44] Zordrak: haha, i got fiber in the basement here. :-) lots of it [10:44] Old_Fogie: did you try loading gnome with "exec ck-launch-session gnome-session" or whatever ? [10:44] 80 single mode strands. [10:44] thrice`, off the top of my head, I dont think so [10:45] i love getting to my home ADSL line in 30ms :) [10:45] Zordrak: :) [10:45] wish i could afford the laser for home :) [10:45] how much per unit? [10:45] then it'd be more like 2ms [10:45] zomgmarklar (n=zomgmark@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:46] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:46] acidchild: sup [10:46] its not the unit its the service [10:46] Dominian: ezi :-) [10:46] Action: phrag just heard he didn't get a job he was really hoping for =( [10:46] Old_Fogie: might be worth a shot [10:46] ( [10:46] phrag: :-( keep on trucking! [10:46] thrice`, it's odd, I dont even get an error or anything. I click logout, I get the window asking to logout, shutdown, reboot... heck I can even hibernate. But if I click shutdown, the window/pop up goes away, and it doesnt shut down. [10:46] £1000/mo for 4Mbit with 10MBit burst cap even though the laser will do 100MBit [10:46] hello Dominian =) [10:46] morning phrag [10:46] Zordrak: darn, UK? [10:46] bien sur [10:46] Action: acidchild nods. [10:47] afternoon dtanner o/ [10:47] thrice`, I'm this close " " to making a desktop file that calls sudo /sbin/halt [10:47] good on? [10:47] Zordrak: considered peering to he.net? [10:47] they are good prices. [10:47] dtanner: hey [10:47] Old_Fogie: Script -> RS-232 -> UPS :D [10:47] Except HE's POP equipment is buggy [10:47] Dominian: what you up to? [10:48] acidchild: in no position to [10:48] Action: acidchild nods. [10:48] acidchild: we are end user to W2's sheffiled laser mesh [10:48] I want a good UPS , they are still so expensive for a good one though [10:48] i don't think UPS will ever go down in price it seems [10:48] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [10:48] Zordrak: Sheffieled? :| [10:48] Zordrak: Sheffield? [10:48] dtanner, unlikely [10:48] dtanner: battery cost [10:48] acidchild: yes [10:49] Zordrak: S5 Woooooo! [10:49] :> [10:49] £200 minimum for something worth having [10:49] S1! HAh! [10:49] :P [10:49] snob [10:49] lol [10:49] Action: Zordrak commutes from s26 [10:50] Swallowness? or something [10:50] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:50] acidchild: bang on [10:50] ew :| [10:50] my mum lives out there. [10:50] nest [10:50] the whole area blows :P [10:51] prolly gonna have to move to worksop tho cos the missus is going to lincoln uni nekt year and would be a 2hr commute from home atm [10:51] acidchild: is actually one of the better areas.. it's no Todwick.. but still [10:51] ^S[1-30][1-9][A-Z]([A-Z]|[1-9])$ [10:52] suckies [10:52] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.172) left irc: Connection timed out [10:52] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn11.91-127-170.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Old_Fogie: hehe; do you have pam thrown in too? [10:52] oh my, just fell for a java trap, now FF stops working :( [10:52] thrice`, yes I'm quite the glutton for punishment :) [10:52] rg3 (n=deckard@90.168.195.153) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Trotsky (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [10:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:52] IntangibleLiquid: Opera [10:52] then I would definitely try launching gnome with "exec ck-launch-sesssion gnome-session" . that should provide the appropriate perms [10:52] Zordrak: i grew up in Pitsmoor. [10:52] thrice`, and I have pam/policykit/ working for 2.24 series just fine... I did something wrong I spose :( [10:53] ^S[1-30][1-9][A-Z]([A-Z]|[1-9])$ > ^S[6.*]$ [10:53] zomgmarklar (n=zomgmark@fuhell.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:53] that is the biggest reason i switched to opera , flash in ff sucks eggs [10:53] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] acidchild: I'm in the middle of configuring a PRI + SIP Trunk for a client [10:53] and it appears its a GO [10:53] haha enjoy [10:53] dtanner, is it in the stock? [10:53] I should print that on a t-shirt [10:54] Zordrak: for sure :P [10:54] Zordrak: make an array out of it though and do it in perl [10:54] fuck rotherham :) [10:54] Igster (n=Iggy@chef.fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] :P [10:55] fuck SY :P [10:55] acidchild: Oh I do enjoy. cause its working :D [10:55] acidchild: this is what I do pretty much all day :) [10:55] Dominian: mmmm nice, i don't wana trade mkay [10:55] I saw this about WinXP and boy does this not strike you odd that XP is technically "not supported anymore" but they're stilling selling it? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/07/2321248&from=rss [10:56] It's because people are too stupid to upgrade [10:56] I'm waiting for the class actions to line up... there was no notice on my pc's that have XP [10:56] North Lincs > SY > Notts > Lincs > N. E. Lincs [10:56] but * > Doncaster [10:56] Zordrak: Toronto, Canada > SY [10:56] =P [10:56] acidchild: ++++++++++++++ [10:56] People need to move off of XP [10:56] i want so bad to emigrate to toronto [10:56] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [10:56] straterra, well upgrade to a new box? or on the exisiting box. I have XP on on a p3 866, runs fine..vista wont run on it so could upgrade that. [10:56] but theres too much stopping me [10:57] Old_Fogie: on new hardware [10:57] Zordrak: i love it here :-) [10:57] straterra, but my acer's I just bought.. which are new..have xp and "warning... these are unsupported in 3 months" labels [10:57] "I want XP on my new quad core with 4 gigs of ram! But..why does it only show 2.5 gigs of usable ram?!" [10:57] how was finding sponsoring work? [10:57] Old_Fogie: i think i wil pick out a nice rocky patel. =) [10:57] Zordrak: i could hook you up [10:57] :P [10:57] Vista runs faster than XP on modern hardware [10:57] dtanner, ooh very nice. no stogies for me fighting a cold here [10:58] i will remember that for when the missus finishes uni [10:58] Old_Fogie: i have a super nice new Humidor i got for 200 USD from my bro-and-law. he nmeeded some money. i think he paid around 700 bucks for it [10:58] im on a decent saray but we're still barely above the poverty line [10:58] straterra, I wonder if that's becuase the hardware vendors know the end of XP is near, so why spend dev time getting hardware to work right on XP, when it's out of time real soon [10:58] want to see it Old_Fogie ? i wil take a quick pic and post it =) it smells so good when i open it up to get a smoke! [10:58] HATE this country [10:58] Old_Fogie: thats not why [10:58] dtanner, hahaha nah that's okk [10:58] s/country/governwment/ [10:59] Old_Fogie: Vista's memory model is WORLDS better than XP's...as is the threading [10:59] wait, someone hates the UK? [10:59] Vista is tons tons tons tons more threaded and runs smoother under higher load than XP [10:59] lol [10:59] straterra, ah I see. [10:59] straterra, yeah after a gig in use my xp goes to pot real quick. [10:59] I thought the cool coutnry to hate on was USA [10:59] Also..XP doesn't scale very well with multiple cpus/cores [11:00] Old_Fogie: XP likes to swap whenever possible, leaving tons of unused memory. Unused memory is wasted memory. [11:00] straterra, very true [11:00] Vista will try to use as much as it can for cache, just like Linux [11:00] agreed [11:00] that's why you use 2k3 or xp64 [11:00] 2k3/XP64 has the same model as XP [11:00] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [11:00] People see the memory "used" by Vista and freak out..but..they are idiots and want their memory unused [11:01] I'm glad I didnt buy vista tho straterra , even friends of mine that do have it, complain non stop about it. 7 looks promising tho, I may try that when it comes out/look at it hard, but I'm passing over vista. [11:01] not that I knwow but I haven't looked a lot at it [11:01] because that's how it was in the old dadays [11:01] later:) [11:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:01] I run Vista on every machine at home..I am very pleases as are my parents [11:01] straterra, no, people want their memory not to be used by stupid things in vista [11:01] Camarade_Tux: but..its NOT, thats the point [11:02] People don't understand memory caching [11:02] straterra, it is being used by tons of crap [11:02] People don't understand how a kernel can use memory for caching, then cut back when needed [11:02] 800MB used at boot... [11:02] I'd love to have a PC that has like 20 gig of ram, and tho it may take long to boot, would put the whole core OS in ram...that'd be awesome. [11:02] And..this is exactly what I am talking about [11:02] Camarade_Tux: its called cache [11:02] straterra, a laptop would need 80 seconds to read that from its harddrive [11:03] and it's doesn't do 80 seconds of pure reads [11:03] uh..what? [11:03] acidchild: Oh I wouldn't want to trade [11:03] It's CACHE [11:03] Dominian: rofl [11:03] acidchild: other than for the cash you make.. I need a new server.. buy some parts.. build it.. be done and have some change left over hehe [11:03] if it uses 400MB of memory for cache, the cache has to be something, most likely content on the hard drive [11:03] LOL [11:03] Camarade_Tux: the cache can be anything.. [11:04] Camarade_Tux, maybe it's the genuine advantage :) [11:04] various I/O buffers.. [11:04] straterra, what do you want it to be for a laptop on boot ? [11:04] I still like win2k, that was a great OS [11:04] Camarade_Tux: 100% [11:04] I want the kernel to use 100% of the memory, and dish it out to programs as needed [11:05] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Old_Fogie: The only reason I moved from 2k to XP was the fact 2k didn't allow multiple programs to have focus of the soundcard's mic at the same time [11:05] of course but with vista it doesn't use the memory for cache that much, the 800MB I was talking about are ONLY for (useless) programs and services [11:05] Old_Fogie: that looks like a project I might have a look at next year. I'd also want something like ram drive storage that hooks directly into the PCIe x16 slot and use SATA/SSD only for permanent storage [11:05] Camarade_Tux: such as? [11:05] TheBig (n=TheBig@host55-117-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Vista IS 100% better than XP on SO many levels [11:06] straterra, I had issues with playing Unreal tournament on 2k and music from winamp same time iirc. But other than that, it was a superb OS. It had a short life. [11:06] Action: dtanner goes to play foobillard [11:06] 1- oem crap, 2- half of the services you don't need but are still being run [11:06] Camarade_Tux: OEM crap is not vista's fault [11:06] dtanner, that's a good game :) [11:06] straterra: i like vista better than xp also. [11:07] And Vista doesn't run that many services by default. [11:07] straterra, but even without that, you'll start with hundreds of MB of memory used [11:07] Yeah? And? [11:07] and not available for other things [11:07] anyone running an rt kernel here? [11:07] but that is not cache [11:08] using 2-3 hundred megs is NOT that big of a deal [11:08] I'm in debian now, 102 mb ram used, opera, icewm, xchat, liferea, klipper, krusader, konsole :) [11:08] more like 4-6 actually (without oem crap) [11:08] Camarade_Tux: wrong [11:08] btw, I run win7 x64 and it uses less ram at boot than vista x32 [11:08] Vista will run on less than 512 megs of memory [11:08] not much..but it will [11:09] You don't run Windows 7...Windows 7 hasn't been released yet. [11:09] beta1 [11:09] You're running a prelease, testing product [11:09] acidchild: what you up to today? [11:09] straterra, I hope they won't make it use twice much ram in so little time [11:09] working out how to encrypt my firm ware :-/ [11:09] bbl [11:10] plus a beta *should* be feature-frozen [11:10] Old_Fogie: yeah i like it , do you know how to control how "hard" you hit the cueball ? it seems to hit it at the same velocity no matter what. i am prolly just missing how to do it. [11:10] acidchild: later [11:10] The beta ISN'T feature frozen [11:10] That's the point [11:10] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:10] dtanner, vary the lenght of time you hold the space bar as you hit/release it [11:10] It was a beta..lots could change [11:10] Old_Fogie: that easy , thanks =) [11:10] dtanner, a quick on/off of space is fast, or a pres/hold/release is softer [11:11] straterra, not many things will be added [11:11] Again, you don't know that. [11:11] You speculate that. [11:11] we'll see with rc1 [11:11] (in may) [11:11] Old_Fogie: it hits it automatically even if i hold down the spacebar :( [11:11] That is again, not a final product [11:12] Old_Fogie: hits it right away as soonas i touch the space bar , even trying holding it [11:12] Also, Windows 7 has the EXACT same memory model as Vista [11:12] what is "Windows 7" ? [11:12] dtanner, hmm odd [11:12] People who claim that Windows 7 uses as much memory as XP are idiots. [11:12] reet.. im off home to brick my own Asus board [11:12] Plain and simple idiots. [11:12] wish me luck [11:12] yeah i know , it has been bugging me for a while in foobillard [11:13] Zordrak: overzealous use of the term "brick" [11:13] win7 doesn't use as much memory as xp for sure, but it certainly uses less than vista [11:13] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Action: straterra face palms [11:14] Igster: not at all [11:14] and I'm not complaining about the memory model at all [11:14] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:14] and if they add lots of things after rc1, I'll really be scared [11:14] If a BIOS flash fixes a "brick"..it..wasn't really bricked. [11:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:14] plus if there's no noticeable increase from beta to rc, I doubt there'll be from rc to final [11:15] Point is.. i dont know that i wont actually brick it [11:15] in my limited experience with Vista I haven't seen it degrade to the extent 2K and XP did, that's one of its advantages and 7 will probably fix most of Vista's shortcomings [11:15] i,ve had to RMA more than one totally bricked asus board [11:15] hi guys.. could anybody give me an example on how to use dump to backup a a drive to a remote location via SSH? [11:15] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] before i go...... [11:16] epaphus: scp or sftp ? [11:16] Dont get dramn in by Win7... they fixed the things people comlained about most in Vista... but made twice as much twice as bad in the background. Win7 sucks.. dont get drawn in [11:16] phrag, scp [11:16] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:16] epaphus: rsync -ave ssh [11:16] Windows Vista and 7 are both a great step to the future [11:16] They don't 'suck" [11:17] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] s/straterra/Igster/ [11:17] e01 (n=e01@213.91.218.216) left irc: [11:17] Also on ignore.. well done [11:17] lol [11:17] very nice changelog btw on current :) [11:17] ttfn [11:17] As if I don't have a /48 [11:17] Igster (n=Iggy@chef.fuhell.com) left irc: "leaving" [11:18] Zordrak, thanks.. but the idea is to use the command dump... not rsync.. [11:18] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:19] marklar_ (n=zomg@ppp-70-236-3-242.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Zordrak: I have a /48 .... [11:19] marklar_ (n=zomg@ppp-70-236-3-242.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:20] thats....amazing.... [11:21] not [11:21] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] errrrrrrrrr, does anyone know how to link the boost libraries? I can't find much in the way of documentation :\ [11:21] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:21] i have a /22 big woop? [11:21] Nick change: kamaji_ -> kamaji [11:21] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] kamaji: same way you link anything... -l [11:22] Necos: I don't know what to put for [11:22] Zordrak: I don't care much about it either, but it will soon be out there and we'll see how people will react to it. Regarding getting drawn in, people will hopefully make wise decisions with respect to it. I say let them finish Midori, then we can see what they're really capable of [11:22] try the obvious [11:22] I have, doesn't work [11:22] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: "leaving" [11:22] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [11:23] acidchild: never said it was amazing..but its hard to ignore that many ips [11:23] loser [11:24] homosexual [11:24] -lboost or -lBoost (but you really should be asking in #c++) >.> [11:24] only on Fridays [11:24] Necos: they would say it's not a programming question :P [11:24] or any day that ends with 'y' [11:25] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:26] kamaji: it is a programming question >.> [11:26] it's about a lib [11:26] It's a compiling question, really.... [11:27] also you could do this and figure it out: [11:27] updatedb && locate boost [11:29] straterra: bosting about your /48 from he.net is stupid [11:29] all it takes is 1 email or a phone call to get your /48 removed. [11:29] ok? and i can get others [11:29] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [11:29] i have multiple ones [11:29] signal11 (n=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] regardless. [11:29] regardless [11:30] your IPv4 addy is in the same /24. [11:30] ok? [11:31] oh yeah well I haev a / [11:31] hey [11:32] acidchild: yo [11:32] oh, damn hormonal teenagers [11:32] tewmten: woo :D how goes? [11:33] i wish i was hormonal teenager instead of a young adult with responsibilities :( [11:33] acidchild: im fine.. tired tho [11:33] acidchild: have barely had any coffee today :) [11:33] im glad I'm not a hormonal teenager [11:33] lol [11:33] cutting down my caffeine intake to lower my stress levels.. [11:34] tewmten: =( i've had one cup [11:34] yeah i've had three [11:34] usualy by now i'm on 12 cups of espresso and a couple of red bulls [11:34] but not today [11:34] expresso yumy [11:34] *yummy [11:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-143-136.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] acidchild: Work on those servers if you're bored :P [11:36] tewmten: i don;t know how you can be stressed with poking smot and hash being legal for you ! ;) [11:36] mm i luvz espresso [11:36] me too tewmten [11:36] Dominian: i need to clean up [11:36] I'm chuggin' Mtn. Dew right now [11:36] acidchild: ? [11:36] are you all sticky or something? [11:36] nope. [11:36] moutain dew is SO full of caffiene =) [11:37] i would rather have coffee for my caffiene intake [11:37] Dominian: my place is a mess, can't wait to move. [11:37] mountain dew is nice, not many shops around here sell it though [11:37] acidchild: hehe [11:37] i am prolly spelling caffiene wrong. it looks wrong *shrug* [11:37] acidchild: Yeah.. I'm still "praying" that this VPS stays up past May 1st hehe [11:37] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn11.91-127-170.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:38] so i got some new project assignments today.. redo the office systems, like AD, fileserver and everything involved in that [11:38] caffeine [11:38] now where is that old dictionary app that has been around forever ? [11:38] and setup a new staging environment to use for our software [11:38] dtanner: google? :P [11:38] and improve the monitoring [11:38] redo the backup system [11:38] tewmten: pwned :-P [11:38] and also redesign one of our datacenters [11:38] yeah i know Dominian . but i am trying to remember the old dictionary ap i used to use years ago .. hmm can;t remember the name of it [11:39] dtanner: 'dict' ? [11:39] acidchild: and everything within a 3 month deadline! :O [11:39] dtanner: as in 'dictd' ? [11:39] and my wintendo admin colleague told me today he might quit his job [11:39] *sigh* [11:39] community/dictd 1.9.15-6 Online dictionary client and server [11:39] acidchild: if that is it it is not installed , there was one for X that was included in slackware years ago [11:39] well.. no more work for today [11:39] dtanner: alot of them backend to 'dictd' [11:40] yeah tewmten ! no more work today for you , time for hashish aye? [11:40] dtanner: http://www.dict.org/links.html [11:40] dtanner: nay [11:40] dtanner: time for single malt! [11:40] yarr! [11:41] but damn my boss was happy today [11:41] imma get a nice bonus by the end of month [11:41] tony_ (n=tony@c-69-249-43-106.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] and next month i get a salary raise [11:41] :D [11:41] excellent :-) [11:41] damn straight [11:42] gah [11:42] fsckign webmonkeys [11:42] awesome tewmten... congrats ^_^ [11:42] acidchild: thanks for that . i found three already in slackware [11:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn103.78-99-47.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:42] acidchild: kdict, gnome-dictionary and kbabeldict so far [11:42] they want me to push out a new version of one of the websites [11:42] now [11:42] just when i got home [11:43] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [11:43] they should know better [11:43] tewmten: :> [11:44] oh well [11:44] i do it tomorrow [11:48] skibur (i=1000@12.197.207.164) joined ##slackware. [11:49] pattwo (n=pat@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [11:53] defcon1_ (n=localhos@82-41-92-172.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:54] headb (n=headb@net-93-144-19-4.t2.dsl.vodafone.it) joined ##slackware. [11:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:55] booteco (n=booteco@200.146.8.63.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [11:55] hi all. i have a serious problem with lilo and my root partition [11:55] did lilo die? [11:56] yes [11:56] no, it was murdered [11:56] he was hit with a car while cycling [11:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-69-195.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:56] i recompiled the kernel and run lilo with the new kernel. now after the reboot my bios maps the hdd with 0x83 [11:56] and in lilo it is 0x82 [11:57] defcon1 (n=localhos@82-41-92-172.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:57] so it starts a kernel panic saying that it cannot find my root partition [11:57] your lilo.conf is wrong. [11:57] booteco (n=booteco@189.114.235.209) joined ##slackware. [11:58] if you did a kernel upgrade, you may need to change the options in lilo from /dev/hd[a-z][1-9] to /dev/sd[a-z][1-9] and rerun lilo -v [11:58] i tried to load with my boot stick and slack dvd and with those kernel never maps wrongs my hdd [11:59] yes....let me explain [11:59] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-154-107-112.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] with the new kernel my root is for example /dev/sdd3 [12:00] with old ones is /dev/sdc3 [12:00] if i load old kernel and run lilo with root /dev/sdd3 [12:00] they say dev/sdd3 does not exists! [12:04] during the compilation session i plugged in an usb drive that i think caused this trouble....confusing the map of drives in lilo... [12:04] headb: is it worked before your kernel upgrade then of course it is something you a) either left something out of the kernel or b) as mentioned by acidchild, your lilo.conf is wrong.did you copy over your System.map like you are supposed to frolm your new kernel? [12:05] yes! [12:05] acidchild: is spy able to do hardware virtualization? I'm assuming its not from the dmesg output, but not sure if I'm missing something [12:05] symlink it so you know the difference from your old System.map and your new System.map. you can see the examples in the way /boot is setup by default in slackware as to the naming conventions and symlinking [12:06] the kernel panic say exactly that it searches for the 0x82 drive [12:07] and it was correct before the compilation [12:07] system.map is not used for much, other than debugging. [12:08] but now after the compilation and after i run lilo with same setting it is mapped as 0x83 and 0x82 is another drive [12:08] is there a way to say to lilo: "boot from 0x83 and not 0x82"? [12:09] or you can read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding for reference [12:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:12] it is a good habit to keep your System.map in place [12:12] headb, boot with the old kernel =p [12:13] don't you have a failsafe boot option? [12:14] Necos: seems as if many people never keep a "known working kernel" in place as a safety net. it is too simple not to do. [12:15] i keep my original huge.S kernel as a backup [12:15] i _KNOW_ that'll work ;) [12:15] Necos: yep, me too. it's even conveniently labelled as "Safeboot" ;) [12:15] Linux-failsafe as mine [12:16] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] i have the safeboot entries [12:17] and i have all old kernel that i want [12:17] antler (n=antler@S0106000129d4e75b.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] so why are you still bitching? [12:17] boot in to an old kernel and recompile [12:17] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Did you hear that ?"). [12:18] make sure all of your settings are there... and 'cat /proc/config.gz' to make sure you have all the proper options [12:18] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.189) joined ##slackware. [12:18] that will work. i have to understand what setting i have enabled that make hdds maps different [12:18] zcat * [12:19] sorry, typo >.<; [12:19] ok now i recompile. [12:19] thx for the support [12:19] byez [12:20] Action: Necos sets mode +b *headb*@* [12:20] hahahah I read that and said "WTF, when was Necos made an op?!" [12:20] Action: eviljames then clued in [12:20] Action: Necos chuckles [12:20] headb (n=headb@net-93-144-19-4.t2.dsl.vodafone.it) left irc: "Leaving" [12:22] hmmmm [12:22] with the opendesktop stuff, how do you set gtkrc-2.0 now? [12:22] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Necos, this apps is a good help if you're not familiar with settings in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file : http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/gtk-chtheme/ [12:24] gundam (n=gundam@slackware.it/staff/gundam) joined ##slackware. [12:24] well, i was curious to know if they changed where it went [12:25] Necos, unless if you're in kde, then I recommend just using : http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/gtk-qt-engine/ [12:25] mm, nope, there is a global file, but the users home file wins [12:26] i dumped gtk-qt-engine many months ago for qtcurve, which is also nice [12:26] like they moved stuff from .blah to .config/xdg/blah [12:26] rg3, oh yea? interesting I'll check it out [12:26] yes, qtcurve is very actively maintained, and is quite a flexible theme [12:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Necos, I think you're talking about a bunch of things at once here. What are you looking to do? [12:27] rg3, do you know if it works for kde4 too? [12:27] Old_Fogie: iirc, yes [12:27] rg3, ah good to hear there will be something for that then [12:27] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492 [12:27] i was just gonna much with my gtk2 themes... but i didn't know if the .gtkrc-2.0 file was moved when people started doing the whole opendesktop thing [12:27] that's all [12:27] s/much/muck/; [12:28] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Old_Fogie: turns out it was a BIOS issue.. but not the one i thought :) [12:28] Necos, opendesktop spec covers many bases. but it's a very loosely/mixed up spec. but as far as the .gtkrc-2 file, it's still to be located in user home [12:28] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Zordrak, oh? what happened? [12:29] updated the BIOS.. actually didnt even corpse it.. but i guess its cause this is a -current while the test boxes were 12.2, but i reset the CMOS just in case [12:30] and it works... but the IRQs are still the same [12:31] Old_Fogie: thanks for the clarification ^_^ [12:31] :D [12:31] Old_Fogie: Now to add Pat's -current SuperPatch [12:32] Zordrak, 'superpatch' ? [12:32] acidchild: ping [12:32] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] the 9.3 bazillion updates to -current that hit today/yesterday [12:33] oh yea, my rsync mirror here is totally borked. [12:33] I got a mixed of --current from two days ago and last night [12:33] what a mess [12:33] oh and a little warning [12:33] A Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty sound card gets FRIGGING HOT, even if it's only been on for 30 seconds after being on all day [12:34] i found out after resting my knuckle against the heatsink for 5 seconds while trying to clear the rtc [12:34] it is now a bit white [12:34] sorry [12:34] see that's the one I remember reading about the fatality one there, I guess they must have fixed it, but I had remembered it being a bitch a time ago...time flies I suppose [12:34] OFF all day [12:34] never heard of a sound card getting hot, that's odd [12:35] has a bigger heatsink that an GeForce 2 MX :) [12:35] fail >.> [12:35] than [12:35] scubacuda (n=rog@adsl-99-21-232-117.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] Zordrak, wow [12:35] maybe the same siz.e.. [12:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.4) joined ##slackware. [12:36] can nice be change on the fly on memory? [12:36] skibur: man renice [12:36] o [12:36] Old_Fogie: wow.. nearly 150 packages total [12:36] heey my hard disk is full?? how is that possible!? [12:37] P4C0: you filled it. [12:37] next. [12:37] too much goatporn? [12:37] Zordrak, yup he's been quite busy [12:37] I thought it was man nice [12:37] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:37] skibur: it's not [12:37] next. [12:38] lol [12:38] Zordrak: no no, du . -h says that my . has 19GB but there's not file with that size [12:38] reboot [12:38] du -sh * ? [12:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [12:38] Necos: nothing shows 19GB [12:39] find / -print0 | xargs du -hs | grep G [12:39] find / -print0 | xargs -0 du -hs | grep G [12:39] good one Zordrak [12:39] or some bizare egrep "[d+.]G" abomination [12:40] Zordrak: all the G's are from folder names, it just says that my home directory has 19G not possible [12:40] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [12:40] is it du or df teling you that its full? [12:41] Zordrak: df tells that my disk is full, du says it's on my home folder [12:41] sbopkg -i treesize [12:42] there must be something wrong with my ext3 [12:42] lol http://xkcd.com/566/ [12:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:42] *sigh* of course ^.^ [12:43] P4C0: give me access and i'll find it in minutes [12:43] Zordrak: not possible [12:43] then reboot and fsck [12:44] is there a way to tell reboot to fsck? [12:44] telinit 1 [12:44] or rather, set the run level to single mode in inittab? [12:45] and manually fsck [12:45] but on runlevel 1 the disk will be mounted.. right? [12:46] heh, I'd have to go and look I guess [12:46] I was just tossing something random out there [12:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:46] P4C0: Really, just use rescuecd or bootable usb and fsck I think [12:46] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] eviljames: that option, -F on shutdown man page, does that works on slack? [12:47] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [12:47] try it? :P [12:47] I'd bet it does [12:48] I will... shutdown -F now let's see [12:48] bye [12:48] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "shutdown -F now" [12:51] Action: eviljames writes down -F [12:51] k1k0 (n=k1k0@20158129204.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Of course, if I had just yelled RTFM at him, the issue would've been solved a lot faster... [12:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Action: eviljames writes down "Yell RTFM more!" [12:52] eviljames, we could all do that more, but some man pages leave a bit to be desired. [12:53] for example, read xterm man page and call me in 20 years when/if you memorized a 1/3 of it :) and can comprehend a 1/5 of it :) [12:53] i can comprehend 1/10... does that count? [12:53] nope you lose :) [12:54] damn it! [12:54] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [12:55] what tix me off tho, is out of date man pages, or a man page that points you to an info page that points you to /usr/doc which points you to kde doc book which points you to their web-site, which is (a) no longer hosted (b) re-directed to russian goat porn. Ah yes linux doc's you gotta luv em. [12:56] I'm convinced one day I'll say "man some-app-name" and it's gonna say "man page for some-app-name ... google it noob!" [12:56] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:56] lol [12:57] Old_Fogie: This is one of the reasons that working with Solaris is so nice. [12:57] Old_Fogie: The documentation is _superb_ [12:57] Old_Fogie, Android is linux. Android is DOCUMENTED! [12:57] Action: eviljames calls BS [12:57] no really. It is. [12:57] eviljames, is that the one ian from debian is working on? [12:57] rhys, can you run android as a desktop? [12:58] I'm not being wise either [12:58] Old_Fogie, soon. Bunch of people are planning netbooks and tablets based on it. [12:58] Action: eviljames googled. [12:58] Turns out Ian Murdock IS working on Sun's "cloud OS" [12:59] yes I read that. I wonder if google will store your keystrokes and mouse clicks in an indexible database for data mining (/me takes off the tin foil hat and chuckles) :) [12:59] Just one more reason for me to avoid Sun's "cloud OS" [12:59] And, really, most things cloud-related. [12:59] eviljames, so the solaris isn't the cloud one? [12:59] or am I overly confused here [12:59] Solaris is a 30 year old Unix :D [12:59] oh yeah I'm confusing things [12:59] Old_Fogie, as long as it isn't evil. :D I turned on google latitude on my G1. My gf can watch me drive to her house. Cool things. [13:00] Recently open sourced (aka OpenSolaris) and has (imho) a huge platform of awesome technologies. [13:00] Anyhow, I'm spamming the wrong thing [13:00] Slackware is the greatest desktop OS ever [13:00] eviljames, :) [13:00] Ian Murdock? Insane guy, demolitions expert, always knocking Mr. T unconscious and loading him onto a plane? [13:00] rhys, she can watch you drive to your house? or from her sisters house :) [13:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] (don't mind me, I haven't had my coffee yet) [13:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] I drank enuff coffee to feed an army, but it ain't doing anything. I wonder if the wife is trying to decaffeinate me again. [13:01] rhys: that's awesome, know she knows how long she has before getting the other guy out of the house ;) [13:01] BP{k}, ++ [13:01] ack! [13:02] that's grounds (no pun intended) for a divorce [13:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC029DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Urchlay, yea she tried that shit years ago, to decaff me, I told her do it again and I leave you, no joke. [13:02] I had head-aches, body pains, the whole ordeal man, no joke. It was brutal. [13:02] Old_Fogie, BP{k}. heh. We were talking about that. But the very interesting thing about privacy with Google, is that there is no way to check what program does what. Its all open source. So I could easily turn off the GPS and have the program update me going to the grocery store while I actually go bang her sister. [13:02] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [13:02] It was about 5 days in I found out, it was horrible. [13:03] reboot -F -r now did work but fsck didn't find anything... and my disk is still full [13:03] rhys, there ya go :) [13:03] rhys: depends if her sister is worth doing ;) [13:03] Privacy in this day and age is not about stopping the technology. Its about confusing it. I suggest Little Brother by Cory Doctorow as a light read on things like that [13:03] BP{k}, she doesn't have a sister sadly. [13:04] well guess you get to go to the grocery store after all ;) [13:04] caffine withdrawl bad [13:04] hows the mom rhys ? :) [13:04] Necos, you got that right [13:04] Old_Fogie: kethry knows it's bad for me *not* to have caffeine [13:04] so far nobody' [13:04] Old_Fogie, mentally ill and homeless last time I checked. hit that and you got syph. [13:04] nobody's invented the denicotinated cigarette [13:04] BP{k}, oh I have got decades of drinking it, you dont just *stop* [13:04] i know -current is not supposed to be stable, but i wasn't expecting that [13:05] rhys, oh no thanks :) [13:05] BP{k}: actually that's not strictly true. its bad for ME for you not to have caffeine. [13:05] Urchlay: where's the fun in that? [13:05] .... good point. [13:05] kethry, don't forget the slippers [13:05] :) [13:05] Action: Necos feels bad for kethry [13:05] Necos: none really. [13:05] Old_Fogie: and the pipe. [13:05] P4C0: you could try and installing filelight and figure out where the usage is. [13:06] kethry, there ya go :) [13:06] yeah filelight is good app [13:06] Necos: don't worry. i get good stuff in return. (free upkeep of my box.) [13:06] BP{k}: can't install anything, disk is full [13:07] Yeah, caffeine... if I could have an intra-venus hook up, a pair of slippers, a clean ash tray, my smokes and my arm chair I'd never leave the house [13:07] kethry: easy on the R rated stuff. ;) [13:07] P4C0: have you tried a combination of `df' and `sort' ? [13:07] lol [13:07] chopp: that says more about your mind than anything else :¬) [13:07] but we already knew that [13:07] Old_Fogie: you forgot the fridge by the armchair that fills with beer automatically. [13:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] chopp, you made me spit coffee out my nose here :) [13:08] BP{k}: you mean du? [13:08] BP{k}: yes unfortunatly I realize this. ;) [13:08] kethry, oh that too, yup sign me up :) [13:08] Action: kethry knows how to please the heart of a geek :) [13:08] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn103.78-99-47.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [13:08] P4C0: ahyeah. [13:09] BP{k}, could something like " find . -type f -exec du -sh {} 2>&1 |tee filesizes.lst" work for him? [13:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-3d399a521e0fad89) left irc: [13:10] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) left irc: "Leaving" [13:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:10] P4C0: Your disk is full forreal or it's just reporting full, despite having 100G free? [13:10] Old_Fogie: probably, although even at its most simple level "du -h * | sort" and I would work from there [13:11] du -h --max-depth=1 . [13:11] Start there [13:11] BP{k}, gotcha [13:11] eviljames: that's what I'm trying to figure out [13:12] I think du should have an ascii version of the windows animated find character, the little puppy, so he'd danced in a corner of the terminal as find, or du runs :) [13:12] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:12] P4C0: The du command I posted I find to be helpful to sort out which folders are the largest [13:12] P4C0: Then cd that folder and run it again [13:12] eviljames: that shows . with 19GB and after that the bigest one is ./Packages with 395M [13:13] guys, anyone has the camera working in flash? [13:13] damn, gotta restart X, brb [13:13] Kaapa, I don't but I read hackers can turn the camera on and listen to you and watch you. maybe that's in windows, not sure, but kind of spooky. [13:14] hum, I actualyl WANT to use it :p [13:14] eviljames: ./.local is 140M ./Downloads 30M ./.mozilla 105M and everything else is in K execpt . that shows 19G [13:14] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Kaapa, what is it even used for in windows? I never saw an app or something ask for it/use it / recommend it [13:15] P4C0: and ls -lh shows that there aren't enough files in the folder to add up to 19G ? [13:15] ie: a log file gone crazy or equivalent? [13:15] backup the important files. format partition. move the important files back. i don't see the need for this extra pain. [13:16] eviljames: nop [13:16] eviljames: oh... yes, now i found it... ls -lha . [13:16] .xsessions-error... 19G [13:16] WOW WTF [13:16] woh! [13:17] must be ubunut [13:17] you're running then? :) [13:17] Old_Fogie: who mentioned windows? I'm talking about linux [13:17] it's a conference app [13:17] I can't share my preety face over the web [13:17] Kaapa, nah I know, I mean I just never heard of it used even there is what I meant. [13:17] it looks like it was... caused by kmail [13:17] kio_imap4(3139)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::waitForAnswer: Got cmd 50 while waiting for an answer! [13:17] until this meeting, me neither [13:17] Kaapa, wxcam is pretty nice to record. also skype, ekiga, amsn, kopete (msn) work too [13:18] i have 19G of that! amazing [13:18] Trotsky (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [13:18] P4C0: Thank you for this. It brightened up a gloomy Wednesday morning :D [13:18] eviljames++ [13:18] looks stormy [13:19] a 19g error file, that's bizarre [13:19] Camarade_Tux: Stop peekin on my webcam. how'd you know how ugly it was outside? [13:19] Kaapa, but sorry no I dont know how to use it, but if you ever figure it out, I'd be interested to hear [13:19] yup, but I think i know why... i lost connection when I was fetching my email... [13:19] eviljames, actually I have a complex system of mirrors that let me look outside :p [13:20] Camarade_Tux, hahah [13:20] anyone know where i can upload my music library for free? [13:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:20] rhys, ftp.riaa.com ? [13:20] usenet [13:20] Camarade_Tux: Ahh, that's better than my system of posting a webcam outside the door [13:20] Old_Fogie: http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/stevencarpenter/entry/flash_9_webcam/ [13:20] found the problem :( [13:20] I'll try flash 10 [13:20] Old_Fogie, 404? :D [13:20] is there such thing already? [13:20] rhys, hahah [13:21] back to X [13:21] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "leaving" [13:21] tank-man: The one rule about use*** is that you don't talk about ***net. [13:22] hehe [13:22] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Guys, wwhere would I get Gnome for Slack12.2? [13:22] dropline [13:22] Kaapa, did you see the attached thread tehre? [13:22] ta [13:22] gargnome or however you spell it [13:22] seems they have it working [13:23] Necos: garnome. I think. [13:23] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Old_Fogie: I'm trying 10 [13:24] Kaapa, why flash based tho? and not a skype or others? just wondering if there's some benefit to the flash one [13:24] greymaus_: gware ? [13:25] yes? [13:26] notice that dropline has a group here, (freenode) [13:27] is vim supposed to be able to edit unicode? [13:27] pi31415: yes [13:27] hrm, it does work, except over SSH [13:28] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86-46-193-183-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [13:28] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86-46-193-183-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] gtk themese be nice... [13:28] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Old_Fogie: it works on flash 10 [13:29] oh interestin [13:29] Old_Fogie: this is connect.acrobat.com [13:30] allows screen sharing, etc [13:30] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:31] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:32] Kaapa, wow, I'd never think to go to acrobat.com for video stuff, heh. I mean, you'd think it'd be for pdf file only stuff. Interesting, thanks for the link I'm gonna read up on it. [13:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.196) joined ##slackware. [13:33] yeah, it's working surprisingly well [13:33] a bit like webex [13:33] wow 5g of storage space too [13:34] eXile_ (i=eXile_@66.18.207.175) joined ##slackware. [13:35] firebird719 (n=firebird@173-18-60-255.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest85311 [13:36] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:36] firebird719 (n=firebird@173-18-60-255.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] firebird719 (n=firebird@173-18-60-255.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Nick change: firebird719 -> firebird619 [13:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [13:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Im trying to setup vhosts on a clean apache install, "I keep getting client denied by server configuration" vhostconfig file: http://pastebin.com/m1ea02081 any idea why I keep getting this [13:39] the dirs have the proper perms [13:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-69-195.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] eXile_, means you have an apache rule blocking it [13:44] Action: edman007 clicks pastebin [13:44] eXile_, what url are you trying to access that you get this? [13:44] scubacuda (n=rog@nmd.sbx06469.pointca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] you need [13:45] Options None [13:45] AllowOverride None [13:45] Order allow,deny [13:45] Channel flood from slackbunny -- kicking [13:45] Allow from all [13:45] [13:45] slackbunny kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:45] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:45] is is an epic -current update [13:45] this* [13:45] Has anyone made the RSA authentication manager work on Slackware? [13:46] nullboy, we told you last night, you didn't believe [13:46] edman007: no, i believed you guys. you guys didn't believe me that it hadn't hit osuosl yet [13:46] yea, I couldnt connect to ftp.slack or osuosl when it was going down... and now my rsync is borked [13:46] nullboy, because i had proof that it did [13:46] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [13:46] edman007: well it hadn't [13:46] it's there now [13:47] edman007: no, you had a changelog, i actually tried to rsync and it wasn't there [13:47] eXile_, anyways, slackbunny is probably right, you need to allow access somewhere, usually its done outside any vhost [13:47] nullboy, thats because it detected you are nullboy, and as such should be banned from updates [13:47] hrm [13:47] can't fault them for that i guess [13:47] edman007, nullboy was probably doing his md5sum hack and that's why my rsync mirror is borked now [13:48] I have it set for the default Directory directive in the apache config file as well [13:48] imarambiocatan__ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [13:48] eXile_, what directory are you trying to access? through what vhost? [13:48] Old_Fogie: i actually felt bad about that one [13:49] Action: edman007 puts nullboy in a dungeon [13:49] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [13:49] now you must stay [13:49] Action: Old_Fogie yells down the hole.. "it puts the lotion on it's skin..." [13:49] theres two of them, in the pastebin I sent, One for amianXXXX.com and one for youreahXXX.com on points to /var/www/htdocs/amiaXXX and the other to /var/www/htdocs/youreaXXX [13:50] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] eXile_, so the root directory does not work? do you have a .htaccess in any of them? what about an index.html/index.htm? [13:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:51] Nick change: imarambiocatan__ -> nachox [13:51] have you tried accessing a file directly by name instead of the directory name? [13:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [13:52] yay [13:52] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74667.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] fox news commented on how they think our power grid and other such services have been compromised over the internet [13:52] greetings [13:53] TwinReverb, was on slashdot too [13:53] Why is that yay? [13:53] isn't this why such critical infrastructure was NOT supposed to be on the internet in the first place? [13:53] here [13:53] yay [13:53] ah [13:53] hmmmm where is the gtk2 module path set? [13:53] Also..they don't have to be on the internet as long as border gateway has access to another that is [13:53] forgot that you can't hear my voice / see my face on irc 8=) [13:53] TwinReverb: that was pwned a while ago [13:53] like a couple years ago [13:53] it's insane, years ago homeland security proved to turn on/off a generator ( a small one) and they still roll this out, it's just nuts [13:53] Uhm, TwinReverb I'm pretty sure that's precisely why we don't put critical infrastructure on the internet. [13:54] that's BS. they red teamed a power company and owned it [13:54] TwinReverb: I would be willing to bet money that none of the sys admins at a nuclear power plant are dumb enough to connect a reactor to 4chan. [13:54] eviljames, i'll find their email address for you so you can let them know 8=) [13:54] TwinReverb, but buildings and infrastucture are and have been for a while hooked to the net. AS to why the main power grid, well that's a whole nother issue. [13:54] Guys, is there way to find out if some process has been terminated by kill -9 ? [13:55] Mad_Dud, ps aux | grep process [13:55] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [13:55] Action: eviljames doesn't believe it simply because it's on Fox news, that's what I watch to be bukkake'd with stupid. [13:56] f'TwinReverb: eh, i mean, was it killed or it has been shit down by itself (for example error) [13:56] eviljames, you watch what the CNN ( communist network news ) /me hides :) [13:56] hahaha [13:56] Mad_Dud, dunno [13:56] Old_Fogie: CNN suffers from the same paralysis. [13:56] ok,thx [13:56] clinton news network? 8=) [13:56] nullboy, red teamed? [13:56] Old_Fogie: Neither are news channels, they're both editorial channels pandering to the lowest common denominator. [13:56] eviljames, agreed on that, one far left, one far right, and truth nowhere to be found [13:56] Wasn't something passed that allowed the military to attack origins of hacking attempts? [13:56] Old_Fogie: bang! nailed it! [13:57] straterra, yes there is/was [13:57] slackytude: that's when security people are authorized to attack a site and only the execs know about it. it's to test the IT security of the whole place [13:57] eviljames, but I'm also listening to Rush right now tho :) [13:57] abc news is no better, sadly. they did a report on some dude saying it's sad that free health care at some places went away due to economic situations, but he's getting treated for (get this) LUNG CANCER [13:57] like..some asians are hacking in to some government server..and a couple of stealthies fly over head..and no more "worlds best DDR players" [13:57] Old_Fogie: hahah That gives me a case of the lulz man. [13:57] if it was caused by smoking, he's lucky to be alive [13:57] msnbc is brutal tho, I can stand that one [13:57] Old_Fogie: I often wonder if Rush has ever visited a place called "Reality" [13:57] Old_Fogie: because his statements indicate he hasn't. [13:58] msnbc is just a knee-jerk reaction to fox news, it's the same crap turned into a different sandwhich. [13:58] eviljames, what, because he speaks of things that have place in imagination rather than the same old stuff? :) [13:58] eviljames, well remember he's an entertainer, and like most other entertainer's he caters to the target audience ya know. [13:58] None of the "networks" have any basis in reality it seems. [13:58] is there any mirror that already has the last updates from -current? every one i'm trying is still not updated, and it's been some hours since the updates were published [13:58] rg3: I am gonna assume "yes" [13:58] well i don't see how the news companies are independent when it's all Associated Press but oh well [13:59] Old_Fogie: Problem is that his target audience thinks he's the new messiah and are allegedly ready to start revolutions rather than have anything resembling progress.. [13:59] BP{k}: nice, now you only need to back up that statement :) [13:59] rg3, they may all be on an rsync via cron job so ... :S [13:59] straterra, did you read how that thumb drive mess cost our gov't like a 100 million (or was it billion) to clean up, what a waste [13:59] i guess only way to find out is to look at them all, rg43 [13:59] heh [13:59] eviljames, well conservative is anti-progressive by definition :) [13:59] rg3: ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ [13:59] Old_Fogie, what the military incident with USB thumb drives? yeah that was fun. now we can't use USB sticks at work because either windows or the admins or both are retarded [14:00] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914805204099085.html [14:00] i had my machines at home set to not auto-execute ANYTHING like what, 2 years ago? [14:00] TwinReverb, it's insane [14:00] much less all the AV software, even the best of it, sucks per Secunia [14:00] I love SSH brute force attacks on usernames that dont exist [14:00] that's hilarious [14:00] straterra, what? "admin" ? :) [14:00] yes, admin [14:00] Old_Fogie: Indeed, and as someone who thinks that a ton of the old ways need to die off, it's hard for me to listen to a blowhard like Rush without laughing my ass off. [14:00] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [14:00] rg3: usually if I say that . i means I actually have at least checked _one_ mirror :) [14:01] straterra, yeah i remember those during that one ssh worm [14:01] I'm getting em right now [14:01] figures [14:01] slackytude: I'm reading that right now [14:01] gundam (n=gundam@slackware.it/staff/gundam) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] move it to a different port and save hard drive space on logs is my opinion [14:01] Meh [14:01] BP{k}: usually when i ask for proof, is that i'm eager to know which one is updated :D [14:01] ports are arbitrary but worms are usually programmed to default to 22 so that saves you 99% of the hack attempts [14:01] eviljames, I rarely miss a day he's on, good stuff, he's got some funny songs they make up, and skits. [14:02] Old_Fogie: I'm pretty sure you and I find it funny for different reasons :D [14:02] and you could even program something to listen to 22 and if someone tries to log in, it sends them a window size 0 request 8=) [14:02] rg3: hehe [14:02] I don't like changing ports for stuff like that [14:02] straterra, why? extra typing for you? [14:02] extra typing [14:02] Old_Fogie: That being said, one day I'll take you through the stunning incompetence of the main left-wingers in Canada. It was extra impressive last year :D [14:03] BP{k}: thanks! i'm finally downloading the upgrades [14:03] eviljames, the one thing i like about Rush is that they're idealists. they believe in something better than themselves. most the other bands out there belive in themselves as better than everyone else (or so it seems by their lyrics) [14:03] yeah Canada's having a real hard time, and it's actually starting to affect some of our customers, eventually me. [14:03] alisonken1lap (n=kvirc@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] i don't need to listen to someone who's paid too much rap about how they kill people and have sex and do drugs, it might make me jealous [14:04] rg3: heh, it's a big one for sure :) [14:04] hey how often do you guys defrag jfs partitions, if you're using jfs? [14:04] TwinReverb, we were talking of Rush Limbaugh :) [14:04] antler, i defrag any FS once a week [14:04] TwinReverb: even ext3? [14:04] Old_Fogie, maybe, or like 99% of what's on pop radio [14:04] TwinReverb: overkill, no? :P [14:04] TwinReverb: hahaha nice. I enjoy Rush for different reasons there too. [14:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:05] thumbs, if it's got a program that comes with slackware-stable that's for defragging it, i put a job in /etc/cron.weekly [14:05] antler: jfs needs to be defragged? I knew there was a reason I didn't use it... [14:05] the band Rush? that guys voice annoys me, too nasaly [14:05] ;) [14:05] ext3 with its "omg, this has been mounted too many times so I'm gonna fsck it" crap pisses me off [14:05] i use XFS so i run a defrag once a week [14:05] eviljames: i think most, if not all, fs's fragment and should be defragmented. [14:05] hmmm - is there a problem with chat.us.freenode.net? that's the one I normally connect to but it keeps rejecting connections [14:05] straterra, agreed! jfs here after I learned that it didnt take 10 years and a life to do 5 gig of data [14:05] http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia-pirates9-2009apr09,0,5382232.story [14:06] no one takes me hostage [14:06] Old_Fogie: only 10 years+life? Hmmm [14:06] straterra, debian's got some "skipping disk check we're on battery power" feature. I gotta figure out how they did that [14:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:06] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [14:06] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left ##slackware. [14:06] hmmmm no page found nullboy... [14:07] too bad they dont have a "drive hdXX has been mounted 30...but hit the any key to skip disk check and get your work done" [14:07] Action: slackytude never defrags [14:07] slackytude: jfs? [14:07] for those of you LUKS people out there, i have recently discovered that encrypting only swap and /home is faster and smarter than full disk [14:07] nvm... forgot the - between 9-2009 [14:07] Action: TwinReverb defrags slackyt [14:07] antler, reiser and ext3 atm [14:07] :S [14:07] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198747.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "quit" [14:07] TwinReverb, :P [14:08] smarter: because anyone can get a copy of slackware (and most the time they're booting via usb or optical if they want your data) [14:08] smarter: because you only need to encrypt what you don't want anyone to have [14:08] Old_Fogie: I have the issue at home..the power goes out and my mom turns the router back on..and it sits there funning fsck for 4 hours on the disks [14:08] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] when they just want their damn internet [14:08] slackyou know, I've come to the un-engineering proof decision that defrag regularly is bad, I think it moves the data too much, and the engineers know that every XYZ read/writes is an error, and so there for, you increase your risk of data loss. add to that scanning said files (a read) for virii, or spyware, and it just escalates. I got no proof, but years of using windows, and losing data for no reason, that's my thought. [14:08] straterra, HAHAHA [14:08] hahahha how the fuck you get hijacked, eh? [14:09] TwinReverb: that's all fine and well but you're neglecting the fact that certain system files could give a potential attacker a lot of information [14:09] these ships are armed to the teeth [14:09] nullboy, no such information, and no such possible hints, can be found on my / [14:09] like wireless passphrases, those can give away a whole network [14:09] ... [14:09] swap? yeah, but my swap is also LUKS [14:09] no not swap. [14:09] nullboy, oh. [14:09] swap is one but that's nto what i'm thinking about [14:09] there are a lot of files that contain information that could show me how you think [14:09] straterra, I would implore you to investigate jfs. My one drive here is 250 gig, on an ata/133 pci card in a p266 and it takes jfs about 20-25 seconds to fsck check after a power fail,...mmm maybe 40 seconds, but that's it tops. [14:10] isn't there a program for wicd or a feature in wicd itself that allows you to manually give the password? [14:10] Old_Fogie, I havent even thought about it that way. I never, since Ive been on linux, defragged a disk. It never really occured to me. and its the first time since Iam in this channel that the topic came up [14:10] much less, what good is my network password going to do them if it's not the same as my hard drive password? [14:10] TwinReverb: if you can manually remember your WPA2 passphrase it is to short [14:10] too* [14:10] TwinReverb: you're missing the whole point. [14:10] any of that information can be used [14:10] no, i'm discussing the point [14:10] straterra, what I did to test is, I used DD to make fake files, of random sizes, then sha256sum them, then I used sha256deep program to verify it, like 4 times, yanked the plug, and well, jfs won my heart [14:11] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:11] it doesn't matter that one password is different than the other. full disk encryption has its place and it is a valid tool. [14:11] wireless is insecure by default, however, so if you're that worried about it, plug in. [14:11] TwinReverb, iirc gksu will be offered, sbo has scrippages, dunno about kdesudo [14:11] if someone gains access to / they can learn a lot about their targets [14:11] TwinReverb: you're side stepping the issue [14:11] i never said full disk encryption is stupid, or pointless, only that it's not needed for my level of security [14:12] Hello, world! [14:12] TwinReverb, I dont think it's built in their sudo,...yeah it's gksu I'm tired, gksu works [14:12] hey it's a valid side-note to why WPA2 passwords don't matter [14:12] ? [14:12] wpa2 passphrases do matter [14:12] Guest85311 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [14:12] not when you don't use wireless :) [14:12] on one PC I never defrag while I should always defrag the other [14:12] any passwords or configuration options that you use, wireless or not, can be used by an attacker to gain a little more insight into you and your security practices [14:12] i'm sorry but wireless by default is insecure because it uses something publicly accessible as its data transfer medium [14:13] god forget it you can hang [14:13] now WPA2 is nice but not more secure than wired [14:13] can't [14:13] the first is my laptop : xfs, the other one runs mldonkey on XP with ntfs, it's terrible [14:13] ok. so some defrag while others don't. i guess i'll do it sometimes :P [14:13] Camarade_Tux, eh, windows gets slower over time, defraging wont help [14:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [14:14] TwinReverb: that's incorrect. WPA can be applied to wired connections which would mean that a wired connection with wpa applied is more secure than a non wpa wired connection. so wpa is more secure than a plain wire connection [14:14] but wireless WPA2 is less secure if the hacker has no physical access to the wire [14:14] nullboy, wpa over "wired" ? [14:14] but that's assuming you are like me and live on a military base [14:14] Old_Fogie: yes. [14:14] no poop? [14:14] if an attacker has access to your wire, you have bigger problems [14:14] yeah like being stabbed to death in your sleep :S [14:15] well, yeah [14:15] slackytude, the problem is mldonkey makes a *lot* of allocations : I'm transferring 22GB of data right now, they magically appeared on my hard drive within a week... [14:15] oi! magic! [14:15] the whole point was that leaving certain areas of a disk unencrypted can really expose your practices. [14:15] nullboy, I've done nfs over ssh, as a learning experience, but didnt know of wpa tho, interesting [14:15] just because you encrypt /home and /swap doesn't mean shit. if i can see how you do things in /etc what's the point? [14:15] nullboy, it can but i don't see (in my case) how it matters [14:15] slackytude, complete magic :) [14:16] i was talking only of my own situation [14:16] Camarade_Tux, must be little evles sprinkling bytes on your harddrive [14:16] elves even [14:16] yeah, and they work hard : at least 3GB a day [14:16] btw another linux convert at work [14:16] lol, poor guys [14:16] (last summer that was 8GB a day) [14:16] i handed him a mandriva install dvd [14:16] but days were longer (it was running 24/24) [14:16] but told him of how he can have full hard drive encryption using slackware [14:17] Camarade_Tux, I used to have a torrent machine on 24/7 [14:17] tbh, Slackware was one of the last to support encryption/lvm [14:18] I'm still gunshy todo encrypt/lvm/raid [14:18] My brain just ain't wired that way [14:18] i'm too lazy [14:18] I only use LVM at work [14:18] slackytude, I had to stop for a while because the drive was full [14:18] Old_Fogie, well you need a lot of backup space for just in case [14:18] now, even my 1TB drive fills up quickly [14:18] I told my family, wife... never put something on the pc you would *never* want to answer for in a court room, or by a new anchor outside said court room. so encryption is not needed :) [14:19] i was using my external USB as /home while i wrote garbage to my hard drive where my crypt partition was going to be [14:19] s/new anchor/news anchor [14:19] Action: Camarade_Tux meditates on what Old_Fogie just wrote... [14:19] Action: antler goes to delete 92% of his stuff given what Old_Fogie said. [14:20] hahah [14:20] :P [14:20] i use luks on / and that's it [14:20] Action: TwinReverb would just never answer for it [14:20] my swap is a swap file contained inside of / [14:20] Now, I can see encrypting laptops that have customer credit/credit card info, or medical, or nuclear codes, but aside from that.. err I dunno. [14:20] i just don't want anyone getting my stuff [14:21] browser logs, etc [14:21] nothing to hide, just don't want 'em finding any of my info [14:21] Old_Fogie: some of us use laptops for work and in that case they could contain my information along with client information. [14:21] it's also to try and compensate for the idiot factor in me [14:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:21] nullboy, yeah that's what I said, I can understand it in them situations sure [14:22] fwiw SECRET is AES128 minimum, TOP SECRET is 196 minimum, in case you're using LUKS [14:22] Old_Fogie: if you didn't encrypt / and a laptop got stolen you'd not only have to worry about your own information but now you get to call all your clients and tell them how stupid you are [14:22] I should really set slackware to use a file as swap so it would cooperate with windows one [14:22] I think host integrity and good reporting are just as efficient imo. [14:22] the README_CRYPT.TXT that alienBOB wrote specifies 256 but imho only use as much encryption as you need [14:22] not considering the physical theft part tho [14:22] i don't use AES on my disk [14:22] nullboy, why [14:23] because i think twofish is better [14:23] I'd rather know someone is in, then them getting in and trying out a bunch of scripts for my own needs [14:23] maybe AES is a bigger target only because of who is using it [14:24] ezill (n=adam@84.19.45.164) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [14:24] i think i need a batman-like button. cops come, push button. computer explodes. data is lost for good, therefore safe. ?? [14:25] antler, until you realize you're walking around with a laptop that has explosives in it [14:25] accidental explosions could happen [14:25] bleah, given a self-destruct button, it's guaranteed I'd hit it by accident... [14:25] to me, no doubt. i'm the kinda guy who pushes "do not push" buttons [14:26] maybe use acids instead, or just some quick heating stuff [14:26] acid? "oh my eyes!" [14:26] then you have to explain why you're carryin something full of explosives if you go through airport security or are arrested, etc [14:26] especially as modern laptop keyboards have cryptic-looking icons on the keys, I'd end up pressing Fn-SelfDestruct just to see what it did. [14:26] lol me too [14:27] just have big red blinking LED countdown that stops at 1 sec [14:27] it's easier to have a degausser magnet setup [14:27] there must be some weird shit like that floating around somewhere [14:27] all that needs destructing is the hard drive [14:27] I do CrtlAltBS every now and then so I wouldn't put an auto-destruct button ;) [14:27] accidental fires mean you have to reload everything [14:27] Action: fred likes thermite [14:27] didnt dell's system restore button whack the HD if in linux way back? hmm, maybe we should get the code? :) [14:27] but no one dies [14:27] unless you were logged into the US power grid [14:27] fred, aye [14:27] imagine a hard drive with an extra platter, coated with sandpaper [14:27] anyways, brb [14:28] Action: phrag is interested where this conversation stepped from [14:28] (non-spinning platter, that is) [14:28] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "leaving" [14:28] phrag, you can scroll up too :P [14:28] Action: slackytude points to TwinReverb [14:28] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Action: TwinReverb stabs slackytude with AES1024 [14:28] argh! [14:28] Action: slackytude is encrypted [14:28] normally it sits there doing naught, but you send the self-destruct signal and it descends, making hard contact with the main platter, which keeps spinning... the magnetic coating gets ground away into dust [14:29] (would need some way to deal with multiple platters of course) [14:29] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [14:29] has snyone tried compiling smplayer with qt 4.5? [14:29] I get n error [14:30] says qmake-qt4 :commnd not found [14:30] heh. Just for a second I was about to type "Try compiling it with gcc instead", but that'd be rude and snarky... [14:30] you have qt from -current, or SBo ? [14:30] Nick change: AlexElliott_ -> AlexElliott [14:30] thrice I've got the slacky.eu package installed [14:31] why would you do something silly like that? [14:31] lol [14:31] everything else works fine [14:31] you will find better support on the SBo packages [14:32] well, I have no idea how slacky.eu packaged it, nor am I interrested in spending time to find out [14:32] it seems qmake-qt4 is missing from /opt/bin/qt4/ [14:32] qmake is present [14:32] choosing a password that is impossible to remember, or changing so much that you can't remember inevitably introduces less security, as you have to write it down somewhere [14:32] inherently* [14:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] ttyX: what version of Slackware are you on? [14:33] 12.2 [14:33] phrag: some palces you do need to change password every 30 days [14:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] phrag: for passwords that are used often that's true. they will write it down and it will get left somewhere. [14:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:33] kitche: a lot of places.. tight password policy is common, thus making users write them down [14:33] phrag, that's why I have a pit bull, with a necklace that has a container that I slip a piece of paper into that earlier I wrote my password on :) [14:34] Action: phrag throws a large burger at the pit bull [14:34] ttyX: that would be their bug. [14:34] phrag, hahah [14:34] it should work with qmake (unless there's a qt3 qmake in higher precidence in the $PATH) [14:34] i guess it's a fine line [14:35] phrag: what if the pit bull is a vegetarian? [14:35] phrag: consdiering that PCI says passwords must change every 30 days [14:35] vegetarian pit bull? use tofu! [14:37] kitche: an interesting debate [14:37] anybody got experience with freeglut under slack? [14:38] i guess those wireless keyfobs that update every 30 seconds + a user password that doesn't have to be changed too often would be a good approach [14:38] as long as your distro supports PAM :o [14:38] ruh roh [14:38] phrag, why not certs + passwords then [14:38] ;) [14:39] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:39] slackytude: yeah, i agree [14:40] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [14:40] Action: phrag munches on a crinkle crunch [14:41] Action: slackytude builds freeglut [14:42] *sigh* [14:42] I hate compile errors [14:42] Hey slackytude. How are you doing? [14:43] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198747.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:43] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:44] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:47] slackytude, there is no such thing, so you're safe [14:48] it's called mesa >.> [14:48] <.< [14:49] ^.^ [14:49] v.v [14:49] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [14:50] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) joined ##slackware. [14:50] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A740A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] great [14:52] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.227) joined ##slackware. [14:52] cc1: warnings being treated as errors [14:52] freeglut_joystick.c:1687: warning: [14:52] Action: Old_Fogie has a fix for that :) [14:53] slackytude2, let me find it and pastebin it [14:53] trying to find the makeflags now... [14:55] scubacuda (n=rog@nmd.sbx06469.pointca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:55] slackytude2, http://pastebin.com/dfa9bbac [14:55] there's the fix, linkages too [14:56] and my errors I had when I googled away [14:56] Old_Fogie: no playoffs ..... [14:56] Old_Fogie, nice, thx [14:56] kitche, no! aw man (tho we all had the feeling tho :( [14:56] slackytude2, youre welcome :) [14:56] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] I guess thats a way to. I was trying to figure out where the treat-warning-as-error came from [14:57] its the -Werror flag, not sure where its set tho [14:57] ah, got it [14:57] I dunno, I didn't give it that much thought. It patched fine, and built fine, and joystick's do work [14:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:58] homecable (i=open@206.225.143.78) left irc: [14:58] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74667.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] slackytude2, but I'm glad I detail my errors, where I get the patch, and how to do so, heh [14:59] Old_Fogie, Im gonna use your way, just trying to see if I could have solved it [14:59] Action: Zordrak misses Tux already [14:59] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-190-184.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] configure --prefix=/usr --disables-warnings :P [14:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] fevel_ (n=fevel@200.222.210.90) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Old_Fogie, the --disbable-warnings does the trick [15:00] has anyone else upgraded to the latest -current? want to check something with someone [15:00] I really hate when people release stuff with -Werror turned on, especially when there really are warnings... [15:00] Urchlay, agreed [15:00] Zordrak, might be a bit early for that ;p [15:01] Action: Camarade_Tux looks for his new mp3 player [15:01] I suppose the warning wasn't there in whatever version of gcc the original developer used [15:02] Urchlay, in this case I doubt it. look at the pastebin Old_Fogie posted [15:02] but then I hate the "it works fine on my system, problem must be yours" attitude too (even tho I get tempted to say it sometimes...) [15:03] Camarade_Tux: im stoill setting up a new install.. so made sense to move to it today [15:04] So can you build kde3 apps in --current? I know that sounds retarded, I just ain't gotten to that point yet. [15:04] the absolute worst is releasing cross-compiled windows binaries of CLI-only programs, and dealing with the torrent of "when I double-click on your app, nothing happens" [15:04] Old_Fogie: *shrug* [15:04] Old_Fogie: only bothered with kde4 ones [15:04] I'd like to use kde 3 version of krusader and not kde4. [15:04] kinda glad we're on 4.2.2 now.. theres a lot fixed from 4.2.1 [15:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] even if you make the release web page say "You must run this program from a command prompt" in 72-point blinking bold, people will ignore it... [15:05] tho, k3b is kde3 only, and I think everyone and their brother would boycott new KDE if k3b wasnt able to build on it no? [15:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Old_Fogie, afaik alienBOB got it to run [15:05] k3b works in kde4 now :) [15:05] yeah but I'm not an alien [15:06] at least, burns successfully [15:06] i havent yet understood what the deal is with k3b in current.. has worked for me since i went to current [15:06] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [15:06] that was mid march [15:06] thrice`, does it build on kde4 only system like --current? [15:06] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] Old_Fogie: yep, it's even included in -current :> [15:06] thats what i mean [15:06] so it's not a binary left over from 12.2 thrice` ? [15:06] it's just... there [15:06] no, Pat pulls svn and builds [15:07] oh ok thanks [15:07] The_Big (n=TheBig@host55-117-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:07] cmon Foguemeister.. get with the -current :) [15:07] I think nullboy had success too. it started burning properly a couple weeks ago :) [15:07] grazymax (n=grazymax@host30-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:07] yes [15:07] works good now [15:08] thrice`, so in theory I'll be able to build krusader for kde3 on --current and not have to use kde4 version of krusader (which doesnt have as many features yet as the kde3 one) ? [15:08] TheBig (n=TheBig@host55-117-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:08] if you have the kde3 support libraries installed, sure [15:08] ah, cool [15:08] Action: Old_Fogie loves krusader kde3 [15:09] I'd buy it if I had too. [15:09] heh, not used it [15:09] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [15:09] how do I verify default policy on iptables? [15:09] iptables -L [15:09] iptables -L && iptables -L -t nat [15:10] they should be empty by default.. all set to default policy ACCEPT [15:10] thrice`, the keybinding is just great. I got all this cool (hackish ofcourse) scripts that I wrote, that untar tarballs, gpg verify, md5deep folders, send to email, you name it. man I just love it. and it has good filesystem notification of file changes, unlike konqueror, you dont have to whack f5 all day every 2 secons to see if things chagned [15:11] thrice`, plus it runs lightening fast even on a 500 mhz box, almost opens as fast as thunar [15:12] got the next problem now [15:12] looks like it didnt create shared libs [15:12] slackytude2, did you disable warnings or use the patch? [15:12] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] got a gig for tomorrow. wires are already in the wall and boxes are in place too. they just want me to terminate them [15:13] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:13] slackytude2, can I flood you my list of files my package built with [15:13] sure [15:14] that's the contents of my package I built here on 12.1 [15:14] hrm [15:16] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: Connection timed out [15:17] slackytude2, I linked youin the pm a buildscript [15:17] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [15:18] I dont build the SBo or slackware way, but at least you'll get an idea how I got it, the config options, etc [15:19] slackytude2, I'm on 12.1 could that be an issue? [15:19] Im on 12.1 [15:19] ,too [15:20] my script builds in /tmp/.... but mv's it to your $CWD and makes build logs there, that's basically what I do. [15:20] ah, I see it now [15:20] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] I try and do as much as possible in the script, so I can easily edit it, and incorporate it into a buildsystem [15:22] So I build in the same dir, use the same name values as SBo so I can contrib back easier, but the package is built/logged in the $CWD, and after the package is built in /tmp.. it get's mv to $CWD, and hashed. [15:22] it's time :( [15:22] i'd been putting this off [15:22] well package is built in /tmp/SBo... but the build logs are in CWD [15:22] vatgas (n=val@123.145.40.233) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:22] but i now have to work out how to arrange quick access to a number of playlists in kde4 without pissing myself off [15:22] Zordrak: flashing? [15:23] Old_Fogie, -disable-replace-glut [15:23] aperturefever: Floops[w] ? [15:23] LOL [15:23] Old_Fogie, thx:) [15:23] slackytude2, ah there ya go [15:23] me needs to remeber he's not in bash [15:23] aperturefever: flashing? [15:23] slackytude2, yeah according to my ldd's only foobillard uses it. and that runs fine. [15:24] slackytude2, I didnt want to over-write stock slackware files with that app, that's why I used that option [15:24] Old_Fogie, I need it for this semesters Computer Graphic lecture. gotta do some opengl stuff [15:24] Old_Fogie, yeah, wise choice [15:26] slackytude2, well you see at the end of my script, before 'makepkg...' I use 'tree -inapugf -o...' that's how I get a file list of *each* package I build, including symlinks (that makepkg puts into doinst.sh)...so I take that file.. the tree list...and have a script I wrote to detect if a file is conflicting on board :) That's how I found it..I'm not that aware to "just know" :) [15:26] anyone running mythtv in slack? [15:26] Old_Fogie, nifty :) [15:27] slackytude2, I build a few hundred packages, I needz automation :) [15:28] aperturefever: asplainage? [15:28] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-042-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Hi [15:28] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-98d7e4aa043b3153) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Hi [15:29] Does the KDE.SlackBuild in current work for 12.2 or is there any changes needed? [15:29] slackytude2, so did it build right? [15:29] Zordrak: you would flash your mobo ? apart from the testing machines? [15:29] nille_: i only know that it is not recommended [15:29] nukedclx_ (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:29] why not recommended? :( [15:29] nille_, if you were lucky to rsync from let's say december.. [15:29] ask the bobmeister [15:30] nille_, as then it was in /opt [15:30] Do you know a pdf-viewer-program that makes it possible to right click on pictures and use a "save images as..." option? [15:30] Old_Fogie, yes, Im getting linker errors tho [15:30] aperturefever: oyah [15:30] aperturefever: worked [15:30] Nix.cpp:(.text+0x19b): undefined reference to `glutInit' [15:30] aperturefever: :) [15:30] nille_, now it's a huge undertaking, all the libs are moved into /libs... and not in the same build location as they use to be [15:30] i have the old but thinking about building 4.2.2 [15:30] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Zordrak: kewl [15:30] ahh nothing like sending out invoices [15:30] slackytude2, hmmm, never seen tthat one before [15:31] nullboy, sure there is...collecting on them :) [15:31] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.60.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] haha [15:31] nullboy, without a hastle I might add to that statement :) [15:31] that's the best [15:31] so is there an working build script for 12.2? [15:31] not.. your 60 days past due MF! [15:31] nille_: it should work OK, but you'll also need alot (20-30-ish) of deps from l/ [15:31] i much prefer "Pay up, Bitch!" [15:32] nille_, I saved kde's when it was in /opt... and all the libs were in /opt so it was a tidy clean build system..now it's just a mess and I cant figure it out [15:32] The_Big (n=TheBig@host55-117-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:32] I am searching for a pdf-viewer which has a "save picture as" function in it. Do you know something like this? [15:32] I havent done anything with it, maybe I can get you a file list so you'll have an idea what was where , when it was first introduced into the /testing tree [15:33] Zordrak, hahah [15:33] alisonken1lap (n=kvirc@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [15:33] Tirili: pdfimages =) [15:33] fevel_ (n=fevel@200.222.210.90) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] maybe it's time i found out just wtf akonadi is [15:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] nukedclx_ (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:34] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:36] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Old_Fogie, g++ Nix.cpp /usr/lib/libfreeglut.so [15:36] ? [15:36] have to link by hand [15:36] odd [15:37] Action: slackytude2 nods [15:38] but I think thats ok [15:38] I did tell it not to replace Glut [15:38] and as long as it works, all is fine [15:39] I might use a symlink to map libfreeglut to libglut [15:39] but for now all is fine [15:39] Old_Fogie, thx again [15:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] slackytude2, ah ok yw :) [15:39] ^-^ [15:40] MakubeX|Tidurz (i=horas@212.71.19.105) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:40] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [15:40] MakubeX|Tidurz (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [15:40] wow, pastebin doest like seeing a FILELIST.txt pasted...this page aint loaading, wth [15:40] he he [15:40] Old_Fogie: pastebin.slackadelic.com [15:40] ok [15:41] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:41] oh that worked :) Dominian [15:41] nille_, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12278 [15:42] that is the filelist.txt taht Mr. V issued when it was all nice and clean in /opt [15:42] hey look at that. it worked ;) [15:43] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [15:43] oh no it didnt it truncated it [15:43] hmm, klipper clipboard maybe? [15:43] booteco (n=booteco@189.114.235.209) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:44] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I just tried it again [15:45] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:45] rg3: I am now trying to extract the pictures with pdfimages. But the syntax seems to be wrong. I tried "pdfimages -f 1 -l 241 image.pdf" but it just gave me a list of syntaxhelp. [15:46] nille_, ok this is just the tree of the /testing directory http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12280 [15:46] But I don't understand that help. It says: Usage: pdfimages [options] [15:46] But what is ? [15:46] nille_, at least now you see what he tags as "deps" and have an idea [15:46] Tirili: it's a directory where it will leave the image files [15:46] ah [15:47] Old_Fogie thanks [15:47] 1.6G last-kde4-in-opt-from-current/ [15:47] kama_ (n=kama@host79-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:47] yeah I cant upload the sources to you :( [15:47] kama_ (n=kama@host79-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] Tirili: i should warn you that i haven't used pdfimages many times, and i don't recall specially good results [15:47] Tirili: but you better try and see it for yourself [15:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:47] ok [15:48] k1k0 (n=k1k0@20158129204.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "..(cyp): [BX] I came, I saw, I ran away screaming" [15:48] y2k (i=y2k@212.Red-83-52-255.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Old_Fogie i have the last kde4 from current that was 12.2 compatible installed already [15:50] this is dated february of this year fwiw [15:50] but i wanted to try the new 4.2.2 instead of 4.2.0 [15:50] the top of that filelist.txt it says [15:50] nille_, yeah, but if you're building it, helps to know what to do :) [15:51] yes it does [15:51] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [15:52] that's why when I was rysncing I made a copy elsewhere, just for this reason, that some day, it was moved all over the / of the installer into subsections, and I had no idea what the heck was what [15:53] moving quick like that has it's advantages, I had kde 3.5.10 on slack 12.1 before 12.2 came out :) [15:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] hmmm, Cowon S9, looks nice :) [15:55] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.60.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:55] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Old_Fogie for that reson i still got the kde4 folder so i can 'ls -Rl kde4/' well i guess i got alot of work infront of me :) [15:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "fui" [15:57] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hmmm, anyone have a suggestion for a x-platform util for digital signatures? i was thinking gpg, but i think it might be a little too complex for the user that's requesting it [16:03] hmmmm, vba digital signatures.... ewww [16:03] what's wrong with gpg ? [16:04] kgpg can simplify things [16:06] hmmmm [16:06] well, like i said, gpg might be too complex for this user... [16:07] she was just asking if i knew how to sign a document that would be sent over an email [16:07] well the kgpg does integrate nice with an app like kmail/kontact. [16:08] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl8-149-207.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:08] s/mime is pretty convenient with most big email clients if you just want to sign emails [16:08] with a certificate from thawte. if they still provide free ones [16:09] the one's that are easy to clone? =P [16:10] not the email itself, but the document attached in the email [16:10] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-166-37.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:10] rg3: Thank you very much. Success! :D [16:10] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-042-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [16:10] phrag: i dont know, are they? [16:10] what's the matter with wicd,,when I start it it just flashes and dissappears [16:10] nooper: i'm thinking of SSL certs [16:11] my slackware just froze from nothing [16:11] and that too not all SSL certs [16:11] anyway, https://www.thawte.com/secure-email/personal-email-certificates/index.html if you want to go that route [16:13] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77596.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [16:13] hmmmm [16:14] Old_Fogie: when did you last increase the size of an ext3 partition? [16:15] Zordrak, i did last week, not ext3 but ext2. same tools [16:15] how can I pass a parameter to my "in.rlogind" in my inetd.conf...I need to start it with the "-f" param... But there is " .... .... ... /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.rlogind" and if I put the "-f" and killall it...does not work... [16:15] check the disk first then use resize2fs to resize [16:15] man OpenGl is not easy to grok [16:16] tank-man: what about the partition? [16:16] actually if I put anything instead of this "-f" ...its ignored too [16:16] just kill/recreate? [16:16] (parted is constantly whinging about incompatible features) [16:16] Zordrak, you are upgradng to a larger harddrive? [16:16] eOliva, did you restar inetd after changing it? [16:17] slackytude, killall -HUP inetd [16:17] Zordrak, if there is empty space you can resize it [16:17] there is [16:17] i have 1,2,3,gap,4 and want to make 3 fill the gapo [16:17] Bloody...can anyone explain this, or am I just brain farting. http://pastebin.com/m4b0fdd95 [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] is partition3 unmounted? [16:18] yes.. in slack setup disk [16:18] and converted to ext2 [16:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:18] so what is the error msg if any you are stuck at? [16:18] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] and e2fsck'd [16:18] is resize2fs designed to do parition as well as fs? [16:18] i had been going with parted, but it refuses to play ball [16:19] slackytude, I did this: ".... /usr/sbin/in.rlogind blablabla" and killall -HUP inetd ... and the rlogind is running...its ignoring those args... [16:19] i believe resize2fs can resize an image or partition [16:19] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.60.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A740A3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] seems not [16:20] will have to do it with cfdisk [16:20] i dont think cfdisk will let you keep the data [16:21] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.174.171) joined ##slackware. [16:21] well, fdisk probably better... [16:21] cfdisk wont destroy the fs [16:21] just manipulates the table [16:21] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Zordrak, no I dont use ext3, only jfs. I did try and resize it once with gparted, and it took forever. I remember saying to myself at the time, huh, I should've just dump the data/install, reformat/repoartion and reinstall, would've been faster. [16:24] bbl cu all [16:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:24] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:25] the fogie has left the building [16:26] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [16:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] loris (n=loris@77.42.63.26) joined ##slackware. [16:31] loris (n=loris@77.42.63.26) left ##slackware. [16:31] loris (n=loris@77.42.63.26) joined ##slackware. [16:31] loris (n=loris@77.42.63.26) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] ip-route (n=mantened@200.172.83.136) joined ##slackware. [16:38] hi [16:38] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:38] how remove all X packages from my slackware? [16:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:40] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:40] pgktool [16:40] something like "grep "slackware/x" /var/log/packages/* | cut -d : -f1" [16:40] ip-route: you get the list of packages in the x/ xap/ etc directories and you call removepkg for each one of them [16:40] with a removepkg thrown in there [16:41] i'm not sure the package subdirectory is stored in the files in /var/log/packages [16:41] thrice` return null [16:41] rg3 yeap [16:41] if you install using the isntaller it will\ [16:41] cant removepkg do series-at-once? [16:41] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77596.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:42] ip-route: i'd download the file FILELIST.TXT from a mirror, and get the list of packages from there [16:42] slackpkg remove x [16:42] (i guess) [16:42] won't that remove any package that has an x in its name too? [16:43] ip-route: are you sure you have some installed, then ? [16:43] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:43] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] i r updated [16:43] You can use partial package names (such as x11 instead x11-devel, x11-docs, etc), or even Slackware series (such as n,ap,xap,etc) when searching for packages. [16:43] slackpkg search x [16:44] --> gives you a list [16:44] thrice`: in the files from /var/log/packages the path that is stored is the one you use when calling removepkg, so it ends up being entirely dependant on how you have installed the packages :| [16:44] thrice` yeap [16:46] ip-route: did you install them after-the-fact ? [16:46] rg3: yes, but as mentioned, if you used the installer, that "slackware/x" would work [16:46] ahh the best damn thing will be cd slackware/x && removepkg ./*.tgz [16:47] the most foolproof by far :) [16:47] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left irc: "Leaving" [16:47] if one of them has received a security upgrade that won't work [16:48] zomg you're right rg3 :( [16:48] :) [16:48] i wonder how many slackware boxes are out there that never have the patches applied [16:48] Action: slava_dp 's boxen are patched. [16:49] not as many as win boxen without patches [16:49] lol [16:49] proportionally [16:49] you know what will probably work? what slava_dp said but using something like ls -1 | rev | cut -d- -f4- | rev | xargs removepkg as the second step [16:49] phrag: yeah that's a whole different mess there [16:49] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:50] rg3, been thinking about something like that too [16:50] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] since XP is about to be dropped to the no longer maintained status it's going to get worse [16:51] actually, the ls should be ls -1 *.tgz, to list only the packages [16:52] benjsh (n=james@79.138.236.196.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:52] why do you use `rev` ? [16:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&x=16&y=12&C2=1173 [16:52] for the cut to work [16:52] i just moved everything to a new server and get this error Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql.sock' (2) [16:52] benjsh: is mysql running? [16:53] yes [16:53] neutronboi (n=boi@adsl-71-135-7-21.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] 21723 pts/1 S 0:00 /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld --defaults-extra-file=/usr/local/mysql/data/my.cnf --basedir=/usr/local/mysql --datadir=/usr/local/mys [16:54] rg3, okay, got that =) [16:54] /usr/local ? :( [16:54] lmao no not again [16:54] vatgas (n=val@123.145.40.233) joined ##slackware. [16:54] LMAO [16:55] uh oh [16:55] I got a question. How do you guys download the main slackware directory including its subdirectories that contains all the packages? [16:55] neutronboi: rsync [16:55] neutronboi, rsync [16:55] oh [16:55] neutronboi: hey anyone mention rsync? it works awesome [16:56] :o [16:56] afternoon Piter [16:56] XGizzmo_: hi! [16:56] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] neutronboi, get this --> http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/rsync_current.sh [16:56] slava_dp: i'll have to see it first [16:57] thanks btw [16:57] neutronboi, thank alien :) [16:57] thanks alienBOB [16:57] ;-) [16:57] anyone running MythTV on -current? [16:58] rg3 (n=deckard@90.168.195.153) left irc: "Leaving." [16:58] mythtv on -current maybe problematic [17:00] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [17:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] well i guessed that insomuch as the SBo failed :) [17:01] but i would very much like to get it going if possible [17:02] alienBOB: I would guess you've dealt with this issue for ffmpeg..? [17:02] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] you __can not__ build mythtv with ffmpeg installed [17:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] yaG_Republican (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f60f0d8a873e38db) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Hi, I'm yaG_Republican. [17:04] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Action: slava_dp is slava_dp, nice to meet you [17:04] Zordrak: your best bet to run mythtv on current is to build a newer release of mythtv but that are a bit buggy ATM. [17:05] XGizzmo_: dont think it's installed per se.. but installed on the side within vlc [17:05] I am current except the last updates, have ffmpeg installed, and built mythtv about two weeks ago and is working fine. [17:05] whats the deal between mythtv & ffmpeg? [17:06] mythtv has its own copy of ffmpeg, and if you have a newer version of ffmpeg install it will try and build against it and fail. [17:06] chopp: Woo! I knew it was possible........ how? :) [17:06] ah, thanks :) [17:07] Zordrak: I don't remember doing anything special, but maybe I did. :( [17:07] Nick change: yaG_Republican -> HomophobicFaggot [17:08] Action: slava_dp is scared [17:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] chopp: SBo or manual? [17:08] anyone have one this --> HP LTO-3 Ultrium 920 SAS ? [17:09] Zordrak: SBo .21 [17:09] I upgraded my -current to the new kernel and now ati drivers doesn't compile :'( [17:09] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] that happens now an then, even with nvidia drivers [17:10] chopp: hmmm... mine bombs out [17:11] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [17:11] -funit-at-a-time is required [17:11] Error, you must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV [17:11] Pig_Pen: Thats why I dont chase kernel versions like a puppy after a female in heat. [17:11] Zordrak: maybe something with the last batch of updates? [17:12] Zordrak: you will need qt3 [17:12] I dont think it will build against qt4 [17:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:13] XGizzmo_: maybe i'll get 0.22 instead [17:14] Sounds like a good idea [17:14] i am using the newest 2.6.27.x [17:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] in the meantime, i need to settle on either vlc or MPlayer .. and i cant see that either is any better than the other.. [17:14] bah [17:14] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:14] it will be really cool to have the option to see the information of the package (slackpg info) when the lists shows up with the new packages or the old ones... [17:15] HomophobicFaggot (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f60f0d8a873e38db) left ##slackware. [17:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b HomophobicFaggot!*@*' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [17:15] (for slackpkg) [17:15] wow [17:15] quick guy =) [17:15] I'll be right back he said to me in PM [17:16] li wonder if he knows that mibbit shows his real host mask? [17:16] i'm sure just that nick alone could be a TOS violation -_- [17:16] mibbit vhost persistant for same host ?> [17:16] with a name like that, I'm guessing he is clueless. [17:17] what did he do wrong except the nick ? [17:17] The nick. I asked him to change it [17:17] Camarade_Tux: well that nick is pretty offensive [17:17] alienBOB have you tried vlc cvs on 12.2? it bails out on buggy glibc [17:17] nille_: not yet [17:17] I am not running 12.2 anywhere at the moment [17:17] The nick itself is a violation of freenode policy [17:17] ok, I was wondering because I saw no message from him [17:17] alienBOB: ++ [17:18] ok it's easy to patch to compile but i did wonder if it was stable [17:18] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to choosing his mp3 player [17:18] Well, he is not yelling at me now. In fact, he stays silent... but did not change the nick [17:19] l-_-_-_-_-_-_-_l (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aef167508396ff29) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Better :-) [17:19] lol [17:19] Hi, I'm installing Slackware on an Intel Mac. Do I need bootcamp? [17:19] I think so yes [17:20] But I do not ownn a Mac so this is only hearsay [17:21] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:21] hmm [17:22] TRUNASUCI (i=trunasuc@60.51.57.163) joined ##slackware. [17:22] benjsh (n=james@79.138.236.196.bredband.3.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] Do Macs use EFI? [17:23] No i think you dont [17:23] yep [17:23] yes EFI [17:23] You'll probably need BootCamp then. [17:23] hmm [17:23] talk to the guy i know at work who's done it :) [17:23] Unless A) they emulate BIOS anyway, or B) Slackware can boot on EFI systems. [17:23] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.149) joined ##slackware. [17:23] i don't think slackware has the efi kernel stuff enabled by default [17:24] why do so many people install mysql into slackware by hand? are they so very clueless? i wonder.... [17:24] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-154-107-112.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] What's the harm in getting CD 1 and trying it? [17:24] yeah try it [17:24] and tell us what happens [17:24] so, what about elilo ? (although it's almost sure the cd won't boot on efi) [17:24] i think Alan_Hicks have it working [17:25] Action: slava_dp is off to bed. [17:25] nice talking to you guys. be back tomorrow. happy slackin' [17:26] anybody have problems recording via mic on slackware? [17:26] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:26] scubacuda (n=rog@adsl-99-21-232-117.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] skibur no [17:26] skibur: thats not a dist-specific thing [17:27] sure it is [17:27] skibur: are you on a laptop? [17:27] yup [17:27] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [17:28] skibur: check your capture volume level (alsamixer -V capture) [17:28] skibur: did you use alsamixer to select the correct MIC? mine laptop has front mic and mic [17:28] yup [17:28] checking... [17:28] front mic is the built in one for me and mic is the plug in [17:28] skibur run alsamixer then use F5 and unmute and set capture [17:29] my laptop has mic, front mic, back mic, left mic, right mic, top mic, bottom mic, behind-you mic... [17:30] impressive [17:30] that's leet [17:30] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:30] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: [17:30] no, that's a joke [17:31] the high will wear off [17:32] it will :( [17:32] what? who's there? who's in my apartment? [17:32] it only a ghost [17:32] more like my compartment [17:32] Nick change: Shu -> Shuren [17:32] nullboy: do I have to bring up the bar guy again? [17:32] he called me [17:33] nullboy: no way?! [17:33] we shall see [17:33] yeah i'm curious to see what him and his partner have to tell me [17:34] hi [17:34] how backup my /usr to an pendrive ? [17:34] with all links [17:34] hmm his partner? nullboy did you go to the blue oyster bar again [17:34] lol [17:34] cp --preserve=link don't work [17:35] tar? [17:35] tar is best [17:35] ok [17:35] volume on the mic was down [17:35] hehe [17:35] ErrantEgo (n=ErrantEg@unaffiliated/errantego) joined ##slackware. [17:35] checking [17:36] chopp: did you have to do anything with Qt or just point myth in the right direction? [17:36] Zordrak: just point it in the right direction I believe yes. [17:37] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:37] hum... [17:37] no go [17:37] something is up [17:37] i think prob is i havent quite worked out what the deal is with qt in -current [17:38] i'll get there [17:40] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:41] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.196) left irc: [17:43] chopp: did you upgrade to -current or install -current fresh [17:43] wondering if im missing the qt3 from 12.2 because of starting at -current [17:43] thrice` how make an clone with tar ? [17:44] ip-route: tar -cvzf etc.tar.gz /etc [17:44] Zordrak: it was upgraded to -current. [17:44] Zordrak how make tar for /* ? [17:45] hmm.. would you mind just checking your /var/log/packages for me.. see qhat qt pkgs you have.. [17:45] ip-route: tar -cvzf whatever.tar.gz / [17:46] neutronboi (n=boi@adsl-71-135-7-21.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] Zordrak: look in -current's extra directory [17:47] Zordrak: qt-3.3.8b and qt4-4.4.3 [17:48] ahah [17:48] and [17:48] ahah [17:49] qt-r948357 in the latest updates. [17:49] i just finished updating [17:49] nullboy: thanks.. you are once again one step ahead of me [17:49] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:49] a lot of the new wireless tools and libs that they need are being added [17:49] it's going to be really cool soon [17:50] not that it's nor already really cool [17:51] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] no recording on Slackware via Krec [17:52] skibur: i use audacity [17:52] i've found it works better anyway [17:52] updating... -current? [17:52] cool [17:52] or myth? [17:53] l-_-_-_-_-_-_-_l (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aef167508396ff29) left ##slackware. [17:54] ErrantEgo (n=ErrantEg@unaffiliated/errantego) left ##slackware. [17:55] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-98d7e4aa043b3153) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC029DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] can audacity create low pitch sounds? [17:56] there are a lot of things it can do and plugins too [17:57] i'm not sure on the specifics [17:57] o ok [17:58] steerpike (n=echelon@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [17:58] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [17:58] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:00] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl8-149-207.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] Bop__ (i=1003@bl9-244-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:00] After upgrading KDE, I've found my gtk apps don't have the right fonts. Which one's should I be looking for? [18:01] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:01] why does xmms display two windows in the task list? [18:01] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:01] one for the main window, the other for the playlist [18:03] because, surprise, there are two windows! [18:03] you can drag the playlist independently from the other window [18:03] it should be one, like with audacious [18:04] open the equalizer and have three windows open (OMG!) [18:04] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] what? [18:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] I forgot to reconfigure my font database. Doing that now. [18:04] audacious requests that the other windows should not be displayed in the taskbar, but it still has more than one window [18:04] i am asking if there's a way to have it only show 1 in the app list [18:05] so you can only solve that in code, unless your taskbar can be instructed to ommit those other windows [18:05] taskbar or window manager [18:05] alright nvm [18:05] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] steerpike (n=echelon@unaffiliated/steerpike) left ##slackware. [18:07] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:07] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] we have a wind storm right now and i think it's messing up the poles [18:09] Those polish are pretty weak, after all.. [18:09] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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O_o" [18:23] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) joined ##slackware. [18:23] is ebay down for anyone in SoCal? [18:24] i think part of the interwebz is broken [18:24] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:24] nullboy they only banned your ip on ebay [18:24] damn it [18:25] don't worry it will expire 2012 [18:28] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:28] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [18:29] the printed newspaper to the internet is like the horse & buggy was to the car [18:29] ech0s7 (n=ech0s7@93-47-154-194.ip113.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:29] hi [18:29] i'm looking for a video editing for gnome, i would make a video with some photos and a music in backgroung...what do you suggest me? [18:30] ech0s7 : considering that slackware doesn't come with gnome... [18:30] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:30] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] i know [18:31] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] ananke [18:31] so why are you asking for it here, and not ##linux for example? [18:32] ananke: because i'm using slackware [18:32] with gnome [18:32] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] ananke [18:33] ech0s7 : i don't think you get it. slackware doesn't come with gnome, so asking for gnome-centric tools here will yield you very little response. instead, you should be asking in ##linux or ##gnome [18:34] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.60.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:36] chopp: are you sure you got this working? [18:36] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Action: phrag concludes KFC is full of disease [18:41] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-244-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:41] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-244-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [18:42] generally he'd still be able to use any kde apps that were suggested on gnome [18:42] i have considered raising chickens, i have the room for them and they are inexpensive to feed [18:42] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] i think factory raised & slaughtered chickens are awful tasting [18:44] do i need to restart sshd after upgrading openssl? [18:45] probably should [18:45] can't hurt [18:47] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] and vim and rtorrent and mysqld and everything that links to openssl? it can hurt [18:50] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:51] nooper, possibly, nothing is designed connection-less [18:51] if any open programs were using the files before the update, it will probably still be using the old files until you restart [18:52] the hurting of mysqld will be higher than rtorrent [18:52] rtorrent is easily recoverable [18:52] mysql isn't [18:54] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@biq95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:56] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:59] anything ebay related is dead for me [18:59] timeouts [18:59] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [19:02] tije (n=tije@189.175.109.117) joined ##slackware. [19:03] i told you [19:03] it works for me since i'm not banned [19:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.126) joined ##slackware. [19:04] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [19:06] ech0s7 (n=ech0s7@93-47-154-194.ip113.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198747.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "aluve" [19:08] sunzofman (n=sunzofma@c-98-209-203-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [19:08] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [19:12] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) left irc: "Leaving." [19:13] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) joined ##slackware. [19:13] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] hmm Jack Louis died ... [19:14] who's that? [19:14] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [19:15] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] now we are all going to die because TCP is still broken [19:15] one of the researchers that showed flaws in TCP/IP [19:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on HomophobicFaggot!*@* expired. [19:16] one of the stuff he had a talk about which was very legally blanked out until he talked about it with his collegue [19:16] ##slackware: mode change '-b HomophobicFaggot!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Zordrak: mythtv was built on my box mar22, and my box was -current as of that date. [19:22] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:22] Is this a GLIBC error: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed [19:22] That's a glib error [19:23] lol [19:23] lol i hage glib and glibc errors [19:23] Ok. I'm having problems with pango and this came up from trying to start firefox. [19:23] Shingoshi: how did you upgrade? [19:24] or was it a clean install? [19:24] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] I just used slapt-get [19:25] slapt-get .... [19:25] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Action: NaCl senses a disturbance in the force [19:26] lol [19:26] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host210-95-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [19:26] Shingoshi: good luck [19:26] Shingoshi: hint: you might have to reinstall your OS [19:27] you should be fine if you do a glibc recoivery [19:27] lol [19:27] slackpkg is your friend [19:27] or just reinstall l [19:27] i used to use slaptget [19:27] nullboy: Glibc recovery? [19:27] slapt-get is good if you actually follow the changelog and UPDATING but sicne slapt-get doesn't by default I'd use slackpkg [19:27] i need to try slackpkg next time i update [19:27] lol [19:27] LinuxyErin: good idea [19:27] Shingoshi: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/glibc-recovery [19:27] read that first [19:28] i dont usually upgrade from the unstable though [19:28] only if theres something i really want in there lol [19:28] Fortunately, I have Thunderbrowse installed in Thunderbird! [19:28] lol [19:28] umm [19:28] links? [19:28] you're using a browser plugin in an email client to view a text file? [19:29] chopp: i think my main issue was not pointing PATH to /opt first [19:29] chopp: Proceeding through the slackbuild manually using the -fixes branch as advised by #mythtv-users [19:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host28-3-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] Floops (n=baihu@bankii.ax.lt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [19:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host189-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] i like lynx better [19:31] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-97-243.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [19:31] i wonder what he upgraded from, to [19:32] nullboy: agentc0re: "Marston's Oyster Stout" [19:32] ubuntu to slackware? [19:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:33] BP{k}: i have Sierra Nevada tonight [19:33] and some rye [19:34] is it me or the tux logo changed on kernel 2.6.29.1 ? [19:34] 'night to y'all [19:34] P4C0: rtfm [19:34] it's Tuz not tux [19:35] Zordrak: :o [19:35] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:35] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] tazmanian devil [19:36] i like tux better [19:36] redundant statement [19:37] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) left irc: "Leaving." [19:37] Tuz is temporary. [19:37] http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/the-linux-kernel-saves-animals-gets-new-logo [19:38] Pig_Pen: thanks for the url [19:38] TRUNASUCI (i=trunasuc@60.51.57.163) left irc: "BitchX: nine out of ten doctors recommend it" [19:39] BP{k}: Yum. Looks good. Too bad i'll never see it where i live. 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[19:48] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] i wonder if this has something to do with their little localized motors rollout [19:49] no problems loading ebay.ca/com for me [19:49] grazymax (n=grazymax@host189-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [19:51] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-147-9.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [19:52] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [19:52] 33 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 132011ms [19:52] oops [19:52] 133 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 132011ms [19:53] grazymax (n=grazymax@host98-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:53] anything ebay related does the same thing but everything else fine [19:53] someone has fail. [19:54] v4nelle (n=van@adsl84-191.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:54] hardwired or wireless connex,nullboy? [19:54] it's not me [19:54] it's beyond my ISP [19:54] OK [20:00] ebay sucks [20:00] the concept is ok, their tech implementation is the ptis [20:00] grazymax (n=grazymax@host98-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:00] er pits [20:02] ? [20:03] my plextor drive started burning coasters :P [20:03] fail [20:03] Necos: yes very much so [20:03] SCSI plextor,snL20? [20:03] snL20: unusual for a Plextor [20:04] MLanden: ide [20:04] NyteOwl: yeah well... getting a cheap nec drive to replace it [20:05] snL20, how long you been using it? Tried opening it up and cleaning lens with alcohol + q-tip? [20:05] i have a plextor ide and sata... never had problems with either... ide has been used for 4 yrs now [20:05] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] NyteOwl: first off it started to not read my broken sword aod game I had 2 identical plextor drives that did that replacing one with the other fixed it now they both wont read that game... after that the second drive worked burning dvd's no problem then after a while it started buring coasters [20:06] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] guys, do any of you use zsh? [20:07] burning* [20:07] try cleaning the lens [20:08] dive: would maybe work but after burning +100 discs I guess replacement is the option :) [20:09] 100 disks isn't many [20:09] dive: really ? hmmm, I guess I'm just lazy... [20:09] i've gone through thousands [20:10] sick [20:10] definitely thousands >.> [20:10] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [20:10] nullboy: did you have to clean it with a lens cleaner ? [20:10] nope [20:10] i still use the same drive [20:11] same here [20:11] heh.. guess buying brand name isnt always good eh [20:11] the only ones I've had problems with have been noname brands [20:11] this one is is a MATSHITADVD-RAM SW-9586 [20:12] it's a DVD-DL drive too [20:12] DVD+/- R/RW/DL/RAM [20:12] show off ;P [20:12] no BR though..yet [20:13] I'll get a blu ray drive when prices are sane :) [20:13] nullboy, how do you get on with dual layer disks? [20:13] but honestly, the DVD-DL is more useful to me than BR right now [20:13] dive: nothing changes [20:13] it's all transparent [20:13] I've tried cheap disks from net and they fail more times than not [20:13] but in shop they are like £25 for 10 [20:14] too much to play with [20:14] dive: media ? [20:14] yeah [20:14] dive: yeah, I get verbatim discs [20:14] pricey? [20:14] taquito_ (n=rich@75.40.190.90) joined ##slackware. [20:14] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:14] dive: I guess, but I go for quality [20:15] I will probably have to get some decent make disks and try - but online can get 25 dual layer for £5 or so [20:16] dive: 100pack cost as much as the drive [20:16] stevel_ (n=steve@pool-151-204-244-163.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] :-) [20:16] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.149) left irc: "Leaving." [20:17] nothing worse than buying a bulk load of crappy disks... the fail rate is not worth it [20:17] true [20:17] one time purchasing did that [20:17] bough a ton of crap dvd-r media [20:17] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [20:17] we've all done it =P [20:18] total junk, so bad that you end up wasting more time than the cost of just buying expensive media [20:18] totally [20:18] i only need one beer coaster =P [20:19] lol [20:19] one can always take up skeet shooting...:D [20:19] n0ot with CD's. too much shrapnel and they aren't biodegradeable : [20:19] ) [20:20] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] NyteOwl: lol [20:20] glue em to a wall [20:20] stevel_ (n=steve@pool-151-204-244-163.bos.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:20] make a mirror ball [20:20] true,NyteOwl.....just jokin' on what to do with coasters [20:21] put em in the microwave [20:21] make lamp shades [20:21] wind chimes, disco lights ... endless uses [20:21] shurikens ... [20:22] reminds me of the south park episode where they get the ninja weapons :D [20:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.174.171) joined ##slackware. [20:23] my favorite is the underware gnomes :D [20:23] are they still making southpark? [20:23] yes [20:23] and a website [20:24] haven't seen it for years.. [20:24] http://www.southparkstudios.com/ [20:24] South Park has to be coming up on some kind of anniversary soon, right? [20:24] flash required [20:24] They've been on forever, yet I've only seen a handful of episodes... [20:24] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] taquito_ (n=rich@75.40.190.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151008 "underpants gnomes" episide [20:27] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:27] bbiab [20:27] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:27] I've tried about everything I know and I cannot get my touchpad working under -current. Here's the relevant info: http://pastebin.com/m3536216f [20:27] any ideas? [20:28] it works as a 'mouse', but the touchpad features are not working [20:28] are you using the synaptics driver? [20:29] looks bad [20:29] nullboy: well. techinically no because X unloads the synaptics module when it can't find a synaptics device. [20:29] hollywoodb: can you post your xorg.conf? [20:30] What is the model of your laptop, hollywoodb? [20:30] the whole thing? sure: [20:30] hollywoodb: you might want to try changing /dev/psaux to /dev/mouse [20:30] http://pastebin.com/m7251698a [20:30] and make sure there is an option to load synaptcis [20:31] nullboy: I tried that... I also tried /dev/input/mouse1 and /dev/input/mice [20:31] nullboy: $@#! I didn't put "load synaptics" in the Modules section [20:31] \that's right [20:31] thanks, my bad. I'll give it a shot [20:31] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left irc: Client Quit [20:32] can cdrecord burn dual layer dvds? [20:32] growisofs can. [20:32] :) [20:33] I burned one but with dvd+rwtools but the verification failed with k3b [20:34] dissociative: did you try growisofs directly? [20:34] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] but growisofs doesnt has a automatic way of verifying burned date [20:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] data [20:34] not that I know of, no. [20:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:35] do you absolutely need that? [20:36] yes I do [20:36] tije (n=tije@189.175.109.117) left irc: "leaving" [20:36] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "g'night" [20:37] how about making an iso with mkisofs, and running md5sum on it? [20:37] then you can burn the iso, and md5 the burned copy. [20:38] growisofs is just a convenient way to make an iso on the fly, and burn it [20:39] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:39] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:40] nullboy: well, X must've been smart enough to be loading the synaptics driver itself because that made no difference, even in a Xorg.0.log diff [20:40] still isn't working [20:40] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] hollywoodb: what does /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse look like? [20:41] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:41] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-69-24.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:43] options psmouse proto=imps [20:44] k [20:44] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:45] hollywoodb: here is mine http://pastebin.com/m16bf284e [20:45] don't know what else to do [20:46] try changing your protocol to evdev [20:46] instead of auto-dev [20:46] and change device to the proper /dev/input/XXX device [20:47] yeah, I'm at a loss... I'll try changing the protocol, and if that doesn't work I could try /dev/input/event7, as /proc/bus/inputs/devices shows Handlers=mouse1 event7 [20:47] it's set to mouse1 now [20:47] see how mine is? [20:47] i'm using /dev/input [20:47] nullboy: right. I was initially using /dev/input but went to psaux because it had worked in the past [20:48] well the protocol used matter with /dev/input/XXX [20:49] nullboy: btw, the manpage only lists auto-dev, event, psaux, and psm as valid protocols ;) I'll try event and evdev though [20:50] well i don't know what to tell you...it works perfectly fine [20:50] so i know it is valid... 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[21:05] options psmouse proto=imps you should comment out that line in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [21:09] this is the touchpad stuff in my xorg.conf http://nille.pastebin.com/d2ca0fb5 [21:09] it's not a must to comment that out for me, probably because evdev works for me [21:09] and i need that imps option enabled [21:09] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] my laptop has a touch pad, pointer stick and i use a bluetooth mouse [21:10] I've just got a lonely touchpad... I've commented the line, I'll report back in a few. [21:10] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [21:11] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:12] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [21:12] i've emailed probably 6 people about craigslist posts and not a single one has hit me back in 3 day [21:13] Okay so I have a new server with 10 1TB hard drives on an Adaptec PCI-Express controller in RAID-6. I am unsure as to what filesystem to use. It will be for backups of entire root directories of other servers using rdiff-backup incrementally. [21:14] how important is it for you to get help with a possible FS corruption problem, should that happen? [21:14] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:14] well wouldn't you know that commenting out /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse fixed it [21:15] hollywoodb: you might want to document your laptop and touch pad model and add this as a tip to slackwiki [21:15] lymeca : my default choice for large filesystems is xfs. [21:15] thanks for the help nullboy & nille_ [21:15] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:15] nullboy: I'll check it out right now [21:15] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [21:16] ananke: I use xfs on another RAID array I have [21:16] But I'm not sure why? [21:16] because it works? :) [21:16] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] ananke: so does reiser but he's still going to jail :D [21:18] Hah not choosing reiser, crazy news stories of murder aside [21:18] lymeca: lol [21:18] lymeca : you could elaborate on your 'why' question [21:18] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [21:19] I don't really know... I guess I am choosing between xfs and ext3 [21:19] you don't know what? [21:19] But not sure why I would go with either on a ~7.5TiB RAID-6 array [21:19] dyforc (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [21:19] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] Like which would be better for this purpose, and why. [21:20] based on so little data, both are good. xfs would yield better overall performance [21:20] lymeca: go ntfs! :D [21:20] Action: lymeca slaps lns40 around with a big trout, as IF he used mIRC [21:21] lol [21:21] Well I've got two quad-core Opterons here at 2.5GHz per core for 20GHz total [21:21] uhmm, did you just _add_ clock rates? [21:21] yeah because it makes my internet penis bigger [21:21] haha [21:22] lymeca, ... [21:22] sorry, okay, I'll stop being immature [21:22] such juvenile remarks are not going to score you high marks [21:22] ananke, feeling old? :) [21:22] nille_ likes it, that's all that matters [21:23] nille is a cheap bastard [21:23] nachox : yeah. it's the middle of the week :) [21:23] no, what matters is that your remarks dont piss the ops off [21:23] Is it? Yeesh I don't even know what day it is. [21:23] ofcourse i am lns40 [21:23] nille_: yeah why else would you be nille :D [21:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.67.77) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:24] nille_: nille is actually a cheap store chain here ;) [21:24] it's an nickname in sweden for Niklas [21:24] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [21:24] nille_: aah ok lol [21:25] ananke, easter is holiday here [21:25] nille i seen that store in denmark [21:25] Close to my name. [21:25] nille_: oh they have it there too, I live in Norway :) [21:25] I'm in iceland! [21:26] lymeca: I'm sorry [21:26] And we are all up this late [21:26] nachox : not for me [21:26] Oh, whatever lns40... you're just jealous [21:26] lymeca: lol [21:26] Action: thrice` too has friday off \o/ [21:26] holiday for me too, yay! [21:26] nachox: yeah here too [21:27] lns40 Norway the little brother of sweden [21:27] ananke, it's not holiday in the us or you have to work anyways? [21:27] What holiday wtf [21:27] Påsklov [21:27] good friday of course [21:27] I don't have holidays [21:27] lol @ christianity [21:27] you're right, I should complain [21:27] nachox : i have to work, despite it being a religious holiday [21:28] hey.....it is a day off, it is all good [21:28] ananke, ouch, what's up? what crashed this time? :) [21:28] nachox : nothing. it's simply not a holiday which we get to take time off [21:28] anyone hear about the hyjaked cargo ship off the coast of somalia and the crew regained control? what the Navy should do it get some old slow cargo ships for bait and sail around looking like a pirates dream and as soon as they try to board the ship you pound them in to oblivion with heavy machinegun fire & rpgs [21:28] lymeca you don't celibrait christmus or your more for the midwinter blot [21:29] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:29] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-42.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Pig_Pen didn't they take the capten as an hostage in an lifeboat this time [21:31] Pig_Pen: where did you hear they regained control? Very cool. [21:31] on cnn.com earlier today they mentioned it [21:32] they let every one of but the capten [21:32] yeah, just the captain, i bet those pirates are net well trained or fed decent food, i bet a college football team could roll over them in hand to hand [21:32] Pig_Pen, science invented powder to take care of those football players [21:32] nille_: santa claus is cool [21:32] jesus is like the santa claus for adults [21:32] I like being a kid, so I choose to believe in santa [21:33] I read first US-flagged ship taken by pirates in over 200 years. :) [21:33] just an example, just think what a cargo ship loaded with a well trained & equiped group of soldiers could do to some lamer pirates [21:33] Then what did the Americans do...took it back. :D [21:33] lymeca: according to the robot santa you've always been naughty though :D [21:34] there poor in somalia and they see a chance to make quick money and lots of it [21:34] by robbing a ship? that is like some poor ghetto trash robbing a grocery store [21:34] Pig_Pen, not really [21:35] yes really [21:35] you realize how insanely valuable some cargos are? [21:35] well they have to pay to get the ship back or the hostage [21:35] valuable, so that makes it ok to steal [21:35] so it's not the cargo thats the real target [21:36] i dont see any justice in condoning what those pirates are doing, it would not hurt my feelings if they were blown out of the water with cannon fire [21:36] no body said it was ok to steal [21:36] they don't give a damn what the cargo is, they just want the ransom money [21:36] ;) [21:37] maybe if they did not have a nation of criminals and encourage foreign investments to build factories they might be a little more sucessful [21:38] Pig_Pen: +1 [21:38] They haven't had a stable government for decades. It doesn't show any signs of changing, and I doubt they'll get much in the way of foreign investments until that happens. [21:38] yup [21:38] it's not that easy when you don't have a real goverment [21:38] although, I hesitate calling it a nation. It's a nation by name and on the globe only. [21:39] somalia and sudan are the crap egypt and ethopia did not want [21:39] Citadel (i=citadel@chef.nerp.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] hey all, [21:39] i wonder how much added cost to armator [ship owner] would be to hire an additional 5-10 security guards per ship [21:40] ananke: probably somewhat less than $30M :) [21:40] Trotsky (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [21:40] 3 could do it with some 50 cal machineguns and a few cases of rpgs [21:40] hehe [21:40] 50 cals are cool [21:40] 3 wouldn't be enough to do proper shifts [21:40] for those who use putty.exe the SSH program, can anyone get the 'Cursor text' option under "Change settings" -> "Windows" -> "Colours" to work? [21:40] Trotsky (n=Bob@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:41] if an alarm bell want off that meant get up and kick some pirates ass i would be ready in less than a minute [21:41] fighting in my pajamas [21:41] Citadel i never used that option [21:41] Pig_Pen: you could cash in on the movie with that kind of action [21:42] lol [21:42] Pig_Pen : that's the thing - you'd need to get more people in each shift to ring that alarm [21:42] the other options work, such as Cursor Colour [21:42] I still like the bait ship idea. After a few dead pirates, the rest wouldn't know which were easy targets and which were certain death. [21:42] I'm wondering if there has to be some kind of terminal setting that is over riding it. [21:42] ananke, i think you are right, 5 to 10 would be proper, 2 man shifts with a few on standby [21:43] i think there is radar that would warn of approching vessles [21:43] now, i wonder how the possesion of weapons would play with visiting ports. granted, a lot of large ships never dock, they stop miles off the coast [21:43] well if you kill the pirates more will come [21:44] sharks gotta eat too :D [21:44] Pig_Pen : i don't think radar would suffice, most of those pirates use small fast boats [21:44] since it's so poor and one score can set your family for a very long time there will always come new pirates [21:45] hmmmm [21:45] to. 09. april 03:45:05 +0200 2009 [21:45] i wonder what a half inch shell would do to a fibreglass boat hull [21:45] maybe I should get some sleep... [21:45] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:45] does anybody here have t-mobile as their wireless carrier? [21:45] sorry for the random question.. [21:45] naw, i am a cheapskate with a tracfone [21:46] ni norrmän pallar ju inget ;) [21:46] lol [21:46] erbi: yes we are talking about pirates here! YARRR! :D [21:46] nille_: huh ? [21:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] pallar = orkar [21:47] nille_: aaah hehe :) [21:48] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] nille_: ok wait a sec I have to clean my glasses and drink a burn [21:48] Citadel: I'm on putty now. I just tried to set mine, but changing that setting didn't work. IDK. It may be on the list for 0.61. :) [21:48] burn cheap red bull [21:49] those General Electric miniguns would schred a pirate's boat to ribbins [21:49] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] nille_: yeah well, they dont have red bull where I shop [21:49] ohh you shop at nilles? [21:50] nille_: no, kiwi [21:50] :D [21:50] kiwi is an fruit [21:50] nille_: and a store chain here [21:50] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:50] an fruit? [21:51] is the f silent? :) [21:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwifruit [21:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] nille_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_(store) [21:56] i didn't expect your google magic to be that strong my young padawan [21:58] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:59] lns40 where in norway are you @ [21:59] nille_: close to stavanger [22:00] no snow then [22:01] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left ##slackware. [22:01] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [22:02] np [22:03] Ins40: Is Kiwi sorta like Aldi? [22:04] lee555J5: the cursor text option isn't something that seems to have any effect when sshing. the option that should be used is the default foreground color option. [22:04] so, thank you all... slackware rocks as always. :) [22:04] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [22:06] MLanden: whats Aldi ? [22:06] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:06] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:06] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:07] no-frills groceries [22:07] MLanden: yeah I guess so [22:08] remember the old Safeway stores? everyone of them looked exactly alike [22:09] heard there's still open in the north of my state of Virginia [22:09] We had one or two in Fredericksburg about 10 years ago. [22:10] i think Safeway's headquarters is in hayward california (just south of the bay area) [22:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:11] last one I remember here in Hampton Roads was sometime in the early 80s [22:12] still common in the west [22:12] Citadel (i=citadel@chef.nerp.net) left ##slackware. [22:15] XAVIER (i=440e41d4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-eb074029540d62a3) joined ##slackware. [22:15] nille_: yeah no snow, how about you ? [22:15] rain [22:15] i'm in skåne [22:16] I am looking to make an xfs partition on a 7TiB RAID-6 array used for backing up snapshots of root directories of other servers. What block size should I use? Also any other switches to mkfs.xfs I should use? [22:18] nille_: gotta love google maps :) [22:18] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [22:19] lymeca : defaults should be fine [22:20] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-215.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] google maps is good [22:21] nille_: yeah its been rain here too [22:21] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:27] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] monstro (i=monstro@201-26-12-213.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:29] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] what's up people? [22:30] Heya,berkough [22:30] anyone know if there is a slackware package for vlc media player? [22:31] berkough: have you tried the vlc homepage ? [22:31] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:31] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [22:32] nice, thanks [22:33] np but i would build it myself useing slackbuild in the build dir [22:33] http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-slackware.html [22:33] since the uploaded package has patens no [22:33] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:34] eh... I'm running slack on a 700mhz, 512ram, compiling on this machine isn't really desirable [22:34] lns40 the one i posted link to is static and doesn't need you to install any deps [22:34] the second link just links me to the link that you posted nille_ heh [22:35] nille_: that page points to the alien builds too [22:35] i used to compile on an 133mhz until late 2004 [22:35] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:36] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:36] ooh they updated their page (it used to have an bad package) [22:36] yeah, but depending on what you were compiling would take a while eh? [22:36] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] well i compiled most things when i went to sleep [22:37] nille_: and now you just dont sleep, go figure! :D [22:37] but vlc is an beast to compile [22:37] ;) [22:37] lol, hence the reason I don't want to lol [22:40] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:40] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-215.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:48] dyforc (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:51] nice, it's working beautifully, even running video files from network shares [22:52] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [22:52] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:53] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Action: lns40 listens to nickelback [22:54] Action: berkough watching Mobile Suit Gundam [22:55] :P [22:55] Action: chopp used to party with nickelback in the Hanna, AB bar, before they were famous. [22:55] chopp: niiice :) [22:56] my kernel says it supports "a lot of" processor types. can i tune it down to my specific one? [22:56] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-157.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:56] IntangibleLiquid: yes [22:57] Trotsky, how? [22:57] IntangibleLiquid: under processer type and features on your kernels .config [22:57] IntangibleLiquid: compile your own kernel... and dont mind the hours you are wasting on it [22:57] i00nsu_ (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-157.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] lns40, i'm wasting my time ;) [22:58] IntangibleLiquid: lol :) [22:58] Trotsky, tried that, but still when it boots up, the same range appears [23:00] IntangibleLiquid, what "range" [23:00] edman007, via amd etc [23:01] taquito_ (n=rich@75.40.190.90) joined ##slackware. [23:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:02] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:02] ta8u_to_8 (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Warning:~$ pom [23:03] The Moon is Full [23:03] nullboy: and so are you [23:03] i'm full of meat and cheese [23:04] Action: lns40 roasts nullboy on a spit [23:05] Action: nullboy plumps when you cook him [23:05] nom nom nom [23:06] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] taquito_ (n=rich@75.40.190.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] ta8__to_8 (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] It's a nice quiet night under the full moon [23:06] ta8u_to_8 (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:08] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:09] i have a question. is it really taboo to use a mix of tabs and spaces for indentions? [23:09] yes [23:09] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:09] because it breaks tools or what? [23:09] are you the only user/viewer? [23:09] nullboy: always use both !? [23:09] anyone know of a way to script something with logic like "if this partition is mounted, run this command...." [23:10] TwinReverb: udev [23:10] um this is /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown [23:10] i'd set a test to happen using udev, more like "when" instead of "if" [23:10] oh [23:10] this is "if this partition is mounted, do this...." [23:11] in that case just cat /proc/mounts [23:11] nullboy: in the good ol days you used both to make sure it got seperated, I have no idea if its still valid though [23:11] TwinReverb: you can use the first two fields of cat /proc/mount as your test [23:12] or use UUID of the mounted partition [23:12] nullboy: is this for code? email? documents? [23:12] lee555J5: it was just a generalized question but probably more directed to coding [23:13] TwinReverb: am i off base or does that help at all? [23:14] email and docs--tabs only. others might use different fonts/char sets which will trash how you want it to look [23:14] lee555J5: hmm good points [23:14] email clients can be crazy [23:14] coding--It probably doesn't matter too much. Most compilers just look for white space. [23:14] nullboy, wait...you are mixing tabs and spaces? [23:14] Action: edman007 slaps nullboy [23:15] nullboy, its actually a felony to mix tabs and spaces [23:15] edman007: haha [23:15] edman007: regardless of context? [23:15] nullboy, grep home /proc/mounts && for i in `lsof | grep home | awk '{print $7}'`; do kill -15 $i; done [23:15] nullboy, always a felony to create a file with both types of indenting [23:15] TwinReverb: yeah something like that cool [23:15] edman007: ok [23:16] IDEs usually allow you to set the tab width, so I always use tabs only. [23:16] i'm determined to have /home cleanly unmounted, VGs deactivated, and crypto partitions closed before reboot/shutdown [23:17] TwinReverb: under -current that is how it is now [23:17] at least i no longer get that error/warning [23:17] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [23:17] i don't know what changed but it is fixed now for me [23:17] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:17] if i only use LUKS for /home and swap, that's possible via local_shutdown [23:17] maybe alien knows [23:17] Action: phrag cracks open the last beer [23:17] but i am using 12.2 [23:17] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:17] Action: TwinReverb stabs phrag [23:17] anyways, they have to do that because not everyone shares the same tab width, you might use 4 cols per tab, and another users uses 8 cols per tab, its been confirmed through numerous studies that people who try to read code with improper are a trillion times more likely to commit mas murder [23:18] lol [23:18] phrag: cheers mate! [23:18] *mass [23:18] Action: nullboy pops one [23:18] cheers 8o) [23:18] TwinReverb, sry [23:18] edman007, you don't have to apologize, i just felt like being the spelling bee [23:18] TwinReverb: whats LUKS ? [23:19] Action: phrag demands open tab standards! [23:19] lns40, encrypted disk [23:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:19] or encrypted partition i should say [23:19] TwinReverb: aha! nice ;) [23:19] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:19] yeah thanks to alienBOB [23:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Death to spaces! and the Caps Lock key! :) [23:20] [23:20] haha [23:20] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:20] now do the Caps Lock, lns40 :) [23:20] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:21] I can do both! [23:21] [23:21] MREs never cease to amaze me [23:21] "mexican" rice, "mexican" corn, etc, i guess they think adding jalapenos to things makes it "mexican" [23:22] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-128-240.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] i guess in their mind adding kimchi to things makes them korean [23:22] or adding vanilla and sugar makes it "french" [23:22] it has to be sissy vanilla, hence "French" vanilla [23:22] regular manly vanilla wont work [23:22] TwinReverb: lets face it; adding jalapenos to MRE's can *only* be a good thing. :) [23:23] lol [23:23] well yeah but still [23:23] jap a len ohs [23:23] that's what the tabasco sauce was for [23:24] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] lol,nullboy...Trailer Park Boys? [23:24] i'm in socal which pretty much means i can get home made mexican food all the time [23:24] so the jap a len oh thing is a big joke here [23:25] jap a len ohs and kay sea dillos [23:26] socal here too .. [23:26] had surf and turf mexican food for my bday :/ [23:26] Soul_keeper: can't you just walk down the street and find a fully home made "mom in the kitchen" mexican food place? [23:27] yup [23:27] well I'm from texas, and every few years or so we have mexican food for xmas [23:27] 2 blocks away, been eating there for over 20yrs [23:27] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [23:27] when I was in CO they were all over the place [23:28] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:28] same here in Virginia [23:28] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [23:28] by what I have seen the mexican in virginia sucks [23:29] best mex ever had was AZ [23:29] not like the west coast that is true [23:29] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] the mexican on th east coast is too sweet and they don't know what green chili is [23:30] true [23:30] when I lived in the midwest they didn't know what a carne asada burrito was [23:30] my best friend's girlfriend is Thai so she hooks up up with insane food too [23:30] all they had were "burritos" "nachos" and "quesodillas" [23:30] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-69-24.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] do you like spicy food? [23:31] hell yeah but Thai spicy is way different than mexican spicy [23:31] nothing beats a good old fashion hamburger and frys tho :) [23:31] yeah [23:31] I am still trying to figure out how to get some green chili from chubby's in denver shipped to norfolk, I miss the two day burn spice [23:32] Earlier tonight: nice restaurant on the bayou, sun setting across the water, 13oz ribeye blackened with blue cheese, stuffed potato, and a frosty glass of Lazy Magnolia Indian Summer spiced ale brewed local right here in southern MS. Best dinner in a long time. :) [23:32] nice [23:32] I found out about and awesome pepper in AZ called Chilitepin. [23:32] the ale is *highly* recommended [23:33] yeah, sounds good indeed [23:34] lee555J5: sounds good :) [23:34] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> nemesis1 [23:34] Nick change: nemesis1 -> mrselfpwn [23:36] hmm, if i want to do ruby on rails stuff, are those libs/things included in slack? i only see ruby on my system [23:37] yet i don't see rails on sbo [23:37] BP{k}: I thought about you as I drank it, what with all your mentions of trying small and uncommon brews. :) I wondered, "How could BP{k} get some of this?" Then I thought, "Hmm, good luck shipping liquids." :) [23:39] lee555J5: yeah. I'll bet. It's one of the reasons that kethry and I have hold off on shipping small bottoles of chillie vodka stateside :) [23:40] paissad (n=paissad@38.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:40] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:42] Lazy Magnolia http://www.lazymagnolia.com/beer.html [23:42] Sounds like good beer. [23:43] oh, my [23:43] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] How is the Southern Pecan? [23:44] vg, you can actually smell and taste the pecan [23:44] nice [23:44] the amberjaque sounds and looks good [23:45] Southern Pecan and Indian Summer are the only 2 of theirs I've tried. I *need* to find the others. :) [23:45] lee555J5: http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.html?beerid=131 <-- the beer I had earlier tonight :) [23:45] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.60.57) left irc: "Leaving" [23:46] "gassy", huh? [23:46] Yeah that looks good too. [23:47] edman007: seems you should be able to compile rails, with ruby installed: this howto might be of help: http://chip.cuccio.us/documents/ruby-on-rails-slackware/ [23:47] Perfect as I usually have beer with my oysters. [23:48] BP{k}, ahh, you have to get rubygem from SBo, and that downloads/installs it [23:48] Action: edman007 hates stupid crap like that [23:48] gem is like cpan, sort of [23:50] i didn't say i like cpan [23:50] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.233.201) joined ##slackware. [23:50] php does it two with pear [23:51] s/w/o/ [23:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i was hoping you'd fix that, it was causing hives [23:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] lee555J5: you actually *like* that Southern Pecan beer?? [23:56] Dominian: you around? [23:57] rworkman: thats what he said :) [23:57] Duvel is one of my favorite beers [23:58] ok, I'll say it. Yes, I liked it. So there. [23:58] Action: edman007 needs to drink more [23:58] I'm a fan of Hoegarden [23:58] Not as well as the Indian Summer. [23:58] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.118.46) joined ##slackware. [23:59] lee555J5: I *hated* Southern Pecan. [23:59] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:59] i don't often find a beer like that but there are a few [23:59] I've got a friend bringing me three cases of Xingu this weekend. I'll have to get one of those to you. [23:59] deal [00:00] --- Thu Apr 9 2009