[00:00] init[1]: haha [00:00] it is not easy being green [00:00] lf4: WOW, surprisingly fire|fart isn't registered. [00:00] actually he's green [00:00] Action: lf4 is purple [00:00] lf4 is red [00:00] why red? [00:00] dunno [00:00] pi31415: are you relative of grasshopper? [00:00] lf4: purple? Who beat you up? :) [00:00] init: doubtful [00:00] lf4: btw i really meant it :) [00:00] init[1]: yeah, he is and goes by grassy [00:01] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1637 [00:01] init[1] and pi31415 are yellow [00:01] easily scared? [00:01] yes [00:01] init[1]: meant what? [00:02] lf4: i mean i'm yellow [00:02] He meant that he loved you [00:02] do you know how I can specify CFLAGS to cmake ? I tried with -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS but it doesn't work [00:02] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:02] init[1]: how come though? you get dipped in easter egg dye? [00:02] init[1]: Oh i thought you were talking about some online video that was going around. [00:02] http://www.hulu.com/watch/87519/vikings-journey-to-new-worlds [00:02] yar [00:03] superGear: pastence? [00:03] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] awe I need to go to work soon :( [00:03] yes [00:03] he use to love you [00:03] fire|bird: lf4 asian skin color does have yellow shade , [00:03] he loves antiwire now [00:03] re, x11 died, wm died, rxvt died; they all died (hey wasnt that an 80s rock song?) [00:03] init[1]: Yeah I know :) I have a friend that is asian. [00:04] aaa there ya goo .:) lf4 [00:04] init[1]: yeah, I knew that, I didn't know you were asian though. I take it you are? [00:04] awe sad day... init[1] took antiwire over me... wait thats a good thing lol. [00:04] lf4: not for antiwire [00:04] fire|bird: I know but for me its good :) [00:04] fire|bird: soo where did you think i'm from ? Mars ? [00:04] lf4: you should put others before yourself. :P [00:04] China [00:05] init[1]: no, just from the world somewhere, just wasn't sure where. :) [00:05] superGear: me china ? [00:05] fire|bird: I did... antiwire is right in front of me taking the bullet (init[1]) haha [00:05] lf4: the poor guy. [00:05] init[1]: Is it evening/day/morning/night? [00:06] fire|bird: Yeah I know but what can you do lol. [00:06] aa , nvm, well my english is not like an american slang:) fire|bird [00:06] lf4: Its 9:35 AM [00:06] init[1]: you're english is good though. [00:06] init[1]: There's some americans that speak worse english than you. :) [00:06] thank you , fire|bird :) [00:07] yea !! [00:07] init[1]: Yeah your english is very good compared to people I have met here. [00:07] Well, all imaging attempts have failed. This sucks. :P [00:07] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-209.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:07] fire|bird: There's -> There're [00:08] lf4: thank you,:) [00:08] :-) [00:08] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-255.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:08] fire|bird: if you want to be picky :-) [00:08] Skaperen: haha, didn't even notice that. thanks. [00:08] init[1]: see, you speak better than me even. :P [00:08] fire|bird: lol, [00:08] fire|bird: s/you're/Your/ haha if we are going to correct everything. [00:09] that too [00:09] Nick change: fire|bird -> fail|bird [00:09] :( [00:09] :P its IRC... who runs a spell check in here? haha [00:09] <-- [00:09] haha fail|bird I like it :) you can have so much fun with your name. [00:09] lf4: I did in irssi, it annoyed the crap out of me. [00:10] its PITA , to use irssi spell checker plugin :/ [00:10] antiwire (i=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [00:10] lf4: we don't ... it doesn't matter ... unless we're going to compare language skillz [00:10] spell check misses a lot in English because of all the weird exceptions, you can spell something correctly but use the wrong word [00:10] l4n6wug3 sk1llz [00:10] terrapin: s/your/you're/ would be one example [00:10] lf4: well, your nick could be life|force or long|fart or lighter|fluid. :P [00:10] Skaperen: I speaky eglass good nuf da I don't need a spell checker ;) [00:11] haha fail|bird true but its been LF4/LifeForce4 since 1998. [00:11] Nick change: fail|bird -> fire|bird [00:11] lf4: :) [00:11] lf4: ya, who yuzuz a spell chucker when talkin [00:12] Skaperen: exactly. :) [00:12] Jub arrqm fcryy purpxrem [00:12] English majors have internal spell checkers, that is about it [00:12] shoot lol I'm going to be late for work. [00:12] lf4: get going, now, now, now. [00:12] damn firefox underlines my spelling errors in twitter [00:12] lf4: bye, cya soon [00:12] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:12] fire|bird: init[1] lol bbl [00:12] later lf4 [00:13] specktater (n=speck@76.197.3.140) left ##slackware ("Quit"). [00:13] Action: lf4 *casually walks up the stairs. [00:13] you work in the upstairs of your house? :P [00:13] Whoops, forgot to capitalize that sentence. [00:13] sounds like a setup [00:13] fire|bird: I wish lol I work 29 miles away [00:13] miles? [00:13] lf4: wow, you really better get going now. :P [00:14] Action: Skaperen used to work 100km away [00:14] lol i can do my job from my house but they require me to be there :P [00:14] Skaperen: Thats crazy [00:14] lf4: tell 'em how much that pollutes the environment [00:15] lf4: 29 miles is 153,120 feet :) [00:15] Skaperen: Here in the SLC area it really does lol [00:15] get to walking [00:15] fire|bird: oh in feet it doesnt sound so bad lol [00:15] SLC? [00:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:15] lf4: nah, not at all. :P [00:15] SLC? you must be working the graveyard shift [00:15] Taking my car today, lol its going to rain [00:15] Skaperen: Yep 23:00-08:00 [00:16] lf4: could ride bike. :D [00:16] terrapin: SLC = Salt Lake City [00:16] Skaperen: thanks [00:16] fire|bird: na i road my motorcycle all week time for a change haha [00:17] :) [00:17] unfortunately my town's initial is just W [00:17] that would be tough to guess [00:17] no cute 3 letter stuff like SLC or NYC [00:18] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.87.102.17) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [00:18] Winona, WI [00:18] ? [00:18] what in which state? [00:18] terrapin: Wheeling ... 100km SW of Pittsburgh [00:18] ahh thanks [00:18] Skaperen: what's the latest on the evil judges in luzern? [00:18] WV? [00:18] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] yes, WV [00:18] PurpleSmurf: no idea [00:19] I love driving through there [00:19] ok [00:19] Skaperen: you should google and be aware of that;l it can hap anywhere [00:19] PurpleSmurf: evil is all around us [00:19] nods [00:19] PurpleSmurf: which luzern? [00:20] wb-scrant area [00:20] the county [00:20] common pleas court evil judges [00:20] stealing the liberty of minors [00:20] that's on the other side (east) of PA ... I'm west of PA ... in the little north panhandle of WV [00:20] yea i know [00:21] i lived there for 12y [00:21] I wouldn't know the news from the SWB area [00:22] just google it; i think there's more to happen county-wise [00:22] but hey, at least they can use that 3 letter code [00:22] nods [00:22] I'm more interested in getting ready for Slackware-13, 64-bit edition [00:23] sure [00:23] 64-bit -current is working really good [00:23] Skaperen: eventually, slack64 will be on my laptop. :D [00:23] yeah, I've tested it [00:23] slack64 will NOT be on mine ... it's an EEE which doesn't do 64 bit [00:24] Mine's an hp zv6000 [00:24] is that one affected by the battery recall? [00:26] it is good to get your laptop battery recalled after you have abused the hell out of it for two years [00:26] heh [00:26] Skaperen: no, that was dv models iirc. [00:27] Thom1 (n=Thom1@17.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] anybody here using a dvb-c tuner card? [00:29] nop [00:29] dd you get that in canadia or america? (carmen miranda accent) [00:29] heh [00:29] my pvr-350 only handles analog signals, I would like to get a digital card [00:30] i don't have one, I'm considering purchasing [00:30] but it looks like they won't work with my provider. [00:30] i'll alert the border guards to chk for empty slots [00:30] eviljames: what providor is that? [00:30] well; keep on googling [00:31] lol i can't stop laughing , http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=292 [00:31] shaw [00:31] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [00:31] heh [00:31] init[1]: lol [00:32] i'm watching AnnCoulter on CSPAN; man she looks good in blue [00:32] init[1]: lol [00:32] [adult comment rm -rf'd] [00:32] how about an angband variant in Slackware called Slackband? The object could be that each monster is some kind of robot and you have to get root on them and add them to your army. 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[00:37] she is too much of a douche-bag for me to find her sexy [00:38] terrapin: She is like a stick with arms [00:38] Ann Coulter isn't pretty [00:38] fire|bird: yep [00:38] superGear: ++ [00:38] in blue, awesome [00:38] PurpleSmurf: that's because you're purple, it's a color attraction. [00:38] rofl; yea must be [00:39] vgood [00:39] terrapin: can you point to a hottie lib? [00:39] give me some of Scarlett Johanson please [00:39] ok [00:40] terrapin: PurpleSmurf can take care of that for ya, just don't let him see her in red. ;) [00:40] poofo (i=poof@195.226.161.149) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] pupit1 (n=pupit@93.86.1.139) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:40] hehe [00:40] mmm red [00:40] see, what'd I tell ya. [00:40] lol [00:40] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] The woman in red [00:40] I'd take her in puke green [00:40] neon green :) [00:40] omg i just had a ideawr; i need sw that'll let me change colors of a well-defined field (like a dress) [00:41] SM177Y (i=1000@24-231-141-227.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [00:41] PurpleSmurf: in other words, you want a chameleon. [00:41] PurpleSmurf wants to wear a dress? [00:41] no; well maybe [00:42] that sounds profitable [00:42] no no no [00:42] lol [00:42] a Purple Smurf in a dress, hmm now that could be profitable, at a circus. [00:42] terrapin: so scarlet is your choice for hottie lib? [00:42] not the dress wearing part, the color changing dress part, profit [00:42] he could take the place of the bearded lady. [00:42] i duno if she is a lib [00:42] nah [00:42] fire|bird: [00:42] :D [00:43] "let's not and say we did" [00:43] scarlettlib sounds good [00:43] heh [00:43] PurpleSmurf: alright, alright, you can swing from the trapeze, but just once, you don't have any insurance. [00:43] terrapin: http://doctorwendigo.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/scarlet-johanson-with-a-new-boyfriend.jpg [00:43] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [00:43] ok; i'll risk it. [00:44] lol [00:44] terrapin: clean pik [00:44] there we go [00:44] yea she is pretty [00:44] smile in red dress [00:46] i think coast-to-coast radio show is pre-empted tonight, baseball on now [00:46] locally that is [00:47] julioc (i=1000@189.111.15.135) joined ##slackware. [00:47] no tin-foil hat for tonight [00:47] yea :( [00:47] i wasnt gonna listen to the main part; i wanted to hear their crypto-news tho [00:48] tin-foil hats are in style now... [00:49] at least they are cheap to produce [00:49] fire|bird: did you know that "insurance" is classified as admiralty according to constitution and court opinion? [00:49] I do know I guess. :P [00:49] bnhashmi: i prefer beanie with propellor [00:49] now [00:49] k [00:49] titanium/lead alloy is effective [00:50] hahaha, a beanie with propeller, in case there's traffic, you can just lift off? :P [00:50] lead's too heavy [00:50] fire|bird: heh yea [00:50] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [00:50] a fine 1950s beanie model would be fine. [00:50] with stripes [00:51] i have never seen one [00:51] ebay perhaps [00:51] nods troo [00:51] i bought some tin foil about a month ago for the sole purpose of wrapping it around my head.. i covered everything but my eyes.. but the voices kept comming... [00:51] lol [00:51] probably be a chick magnet [00:51] titanium-lead alloy. [00:51] now that is wicked [00:52] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] nargon: you need to layer zinc and tin foils. [00:52] duh [00:52] only 4 easy payment of $19.99 [00:53] i'm goig to try passing some AC voltage through my tin foil hat and try adjusting the frequencies untill i can block out the voices... [00:53] i have a blind date tomorrow. I've never met the other party. [00:53] i'm not so much looking forward to this. [00:53] antiwire: may the source be with you. :D [00:53] even though i should be.. [00:53] yeah for real man... good luck [00:53] ebay does have em [00:53] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] antiwire: well that is what "blond" means. [00:54] blind [00:54] is she blond? [00:54] is anyone here running a dhcpd daemon on 12.2? [00:54] i might be mfillpot [00:54] PurpleSmurf: he's never met her. :) [00:54] prob? [00:54] you should send in an advanced party to scout the situation before you commit to the meeting [00:54] fire|bird: but he could know what she looks [00:55] antiwire: arrange for interrupting phone call; like they do on tv sitcoms [00:55] rofl [00:55] antiwire: Is this the one that whoever was trying to set you up with a week or so ago? [00:55] PurpleSmurf: I am trying to setup a pxe installation using AlienBob's guide from http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe, but I cannot seems to get dhcpd to start properly [00:55] antiwire: or via email to phone [00:55] mfillpot: what args do you give to dhcpcd? [00:56] mfillpot: wait, the server or the client? [00:56] dhcpcd is server; dhcpcd is client [00:56] PurpleSmurf: heh, yeah, middle of the date, phone rings "What boy, Timmy's stuck in a well." :P [00:56] oops; dhcpd server [00:56] lol yea [00:56] PurpleSmurf: I am doing the dhcpd server with the -q eth0 args [00:56] milf-pot just specify the eth0 with like : dhcpd eth0 [00:56] mfillpot: yea do that [00:57] the problems is that I cannot find a PID for dhcpd when I run ps -A [00:57] skip that part [00:57] get it working first [00:57] i've never appreciated lockfiles [00:57] wste of good inode [00:57] and dentry [00:57] I am not getting an error message, my problem is that I cannot see it is running through nmap or ps -A [00:58] pidof dhcpd [00:58] \n means not running [00:58] \n\n acyually [00:58] s/y/t [00:58] PurpleSmurf: it returns a blank line [00:58] then not runnin [00:58] milf-pot i'm way to lazy to peruse the man files and dhcpd.conf man on your behalf [00:59] mfillpot: set debg opts and rerun ("dont-daemonise too) [00:59] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.99.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] I have been reviewing the man files, this should be straightforward, but it doesn't seem to want to start or explain why it is not starting [00:59] mfillpot: set debg opts and rerun ("dont-daemonise" too) [00:59] brb [00:59] milfpot do you get any output before the program terminates ? [01:00] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:00] bnhashmi: I am not getting any output, thwn I don't use -q I get the standard startup message followed by "exiting." [01:01] do you have a known working config file ? [01:02] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:02] I am using the "First example dhcpd.conf" from AlienBob's pxe configuration guide at http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [01:03] k [01:03] bnhashmi: you gonna handle this? [01:03] specify the config explicitly using -cf [01:03] sure [01:03] i'll sit down then [01:03] ok [01:03] what better do i have to do [01:03] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:03] but i'm here... [01:03] no idear [01:04] bnhashmi: dbg opt and no-daemon can give clues [01:04] PurpleSmurf: in the meantime: http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/scarlett_johansson_allure.jpg [01:04] yeah [01:04] bnhashmi: I have tried the " -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf" and I get the same output [01:04] k [01:04] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:04] did you do what purple smurf said ? [01:04] and not daemonize and debug [01:04] terrapin: yea but i dint wanna exceed decorum :) [01:04] PurpleSmurf: I tried to debug using -f and there is no change in the output [01:05] see syslogd's [01:05] use -d as well milf pot [01:05] terrapin: i dont google with blinders on :) [01:07] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.183.57) joined ##slackware. [01:07] ping? [01:07] ok, I got it. Alienbob's guide was utilizing an older version of dhcpd, I havd to set the ddns-update-style to interim [01:08] hello, how can I enable the TCP/IP configuration for Orbit ? [01:08] response time 700 ms [01:08] PurpleSmurf: yeah googling with blinders on would be foolish :) [01:08] syslogd had the answer, ty PurpleSmurf [01:08] and ty bnhashmi [01:09] milfpot are you running a dns server ? [01:09] you might want to read up on the ddns stuff in man dhcpd.conf [01:09] mfillpot: yvw [01:09] bnhashmi: ty ping [01:10] define Orbit? [01:10] no route to host sending ICMP redirect [01:10] bnhashmi: this is going to be on a small closed net with a router and pxe install clients, there is no need for dns [01:10] block those particular icmp's [01:11] mfillpot: beware of isp 10.* packets that leak onto your lan [01:11] and other ip's [01:11] The DHCP server must be con- [01:11] from isp [01:11] figured to use one of the two currently-supported methods, or not to do dns [01:11] updates. This can be done with the ddns-update-style configuration parameter. [01:12] so technically you should disable ddns updates altogether [01:12] if your a stickler [01:12] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] milf pot.. are you a stickler ? [01:12] bnhashmi: he's not a milf; it's MF* [01:12] lol [01:12] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:12] supergear_ (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.183.57) left irc: "[BX] I wonder what this button marked "EOF" does..." [01:12] hehe [01:13] MFILL are you a masters in philosophy ? ohh thats MPHIL [01:13] bnhashmi: I am building this to setup a designated pxe installation net for my LUG group and their netbooks [01:14] The ddns-update-style parameter [01:14] ddns-update-style style; [01:14] The style parameter must be one of ad-hoc, interim or none. The ddns-update- [01:14] Channel flood from bnhashmi -- kicking [01:14] style statement is only meaningful in the outer scope - it is evaluated once [01:14] after reading the dhcpd.conf file, rather than each time a client is assigned an [01:14] IP address, so there is no way to use different DNS update styles for different [01:14] bnhashmi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:14] stupid kicker bot thingy.. [01:14] lol [01:14] if your a stickler set style to none [01:15] think he knows he was kicked? :P [01:15] I have reset it to none [01:16] i msgd him [01:16] yes i know i was kicked [01:16] milfpot heh so what's your current status with dhcpd? [01:16] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) joined ##slackware. [01:16] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] nout time you rejoin [01:17] PurpleSmurf: dhcpd is setup, I also have tftp, nfs and ftp setup [01:17] bout [01:17] ok [01:17] for local access only? [01:17] i'm nargon as well i just rolled over to another station and continued my blathering [01:17] setup etc/hosts.{accept,deny} too [01:17] tcpwrappers.8 [01:17] IceW (n=old-time@201-1-83-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:18] or maybe /host.{* i forget [01:18] julioc (i=1000@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [01:18] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] PurpleSmurf: /etc/host.allow has been modified [01:20] add `all: all' to *.deny also as a baseline; then add who you want to *.allow [01:20] read the man5 page to see proper syntax [01:20] very flexible langauge [01:20] in deny, someth like, `all: all: except 127.0.0, or someth like that [01:21] read as `deny all, all users, except (allow) from localnet [01:21] with proper IP of course [01:21] PurpleSmurf: it has been set to allow all from the local subnet, which will be the only systems able to reach the server [01:21] yeah and check out athoritative [01:22] kk [01:23] yeah and if you have a cisco switch turn on dhcpsnooping and dynamic arp inspection [01:23] I should be good in this until I actually set the necessayr boot files loaded into the tftp directory and test the functionality [01:23] k [01:24] yay backing up my files now :) [01:24] yay [01:24] whats a backup? [01:24] lf4: sweet [01:25] lol.. you know that I will be bragging about the comfort level of the slackware irc group with the necessary tools since no one in my group has experience with pxe installations. [01:25] DONT THREATEN US :) lol [01:25] ty [01:26] most of my LUG groups is ubuntu and madriva users, it is good to point out that real power users do exist [01:26] nods [01:26] where? [01:26] lol [01:27] where's the LUG? [01:27] thanks again, I am off for the night [01:27] gn [01:27] Norfolk, VA [01:27] ty [01:27] enjoy your dhcpd spelunking [01:27] goognight [01:28] lol [01:28] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] one down, millions to go. [01:29] i keep smoking cigaretts.. i relaized there are billions of cigaretts and i can keep smoking them untill i die and they will never run out.. they will just keep comming and comming.. [01:29] lol [01:30] how are you holding up with price increase on them? [01:30] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:30] ahh it doesn't affect me.. i don't even buy them.. i just ask a staff member to keep them stocked ina drawer.. [01:30] I had a friend who tried to eradicate marijuana from the face of the earth, one bowl at a time [01:30] that's convenient [01:30] terrapin: heh [01:30] terrapin now thats a better way to go than cigaretts [01:31] fire|bird: yeah lol its not much though. [01:32] Nick change: icarus_ -> icarus_ASLEEP [01:32] gn icarus_ASLEEP [01:33] Action: nargon wiki's terrapin [01:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:34] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:38] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [01:39] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [01:43] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [01:46] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-84-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Nick change: supergear_ -> supergear [01:53] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.99.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [01:56] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [01:58] how long is the fb supposed to take before it shows you a console you switch to? it seems on my new install after a couple times it may be freezing [01:58] it is on the 12.2 after 12.2 [02:03] i figured out what it did: after i tried to start X/KDE it would not display a regular console anymore. that console still took input though and i rebooted [02:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] eduardo (i=eduardo@eduardovalente-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:05] Why doesn't slackware just default to utf-8 for everything? [02:05] I'm having such a hard time getting it to work. [02:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:05] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] i do not think pkgtools can handle it yet [02:06] ok this is retarded [02:06] dchmelik: it certainly can't. [02:06] just installed slackware-13.0-rc2 and k3b will not burn dvd's [02:06] user is part of cdrom group, device is /dev/hda which is g+rwx and belongs to cdrom group [02:07] medium is a dvd+rw that i just formatted using k3b [02:07] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.63) joined ##slackware. [02:07] TwinReverb: try the k3b from /extra and the other packages in the same set [02:07] iso is one i built using the slackware-current/ ... [02:07] ok sure hold on [02:08] eduardo (i=eduardo@eduardovalente-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] terrapin, there is no k3b in /extra [02:09] TwinReverb: yes, in kde3-compat [02:09] I have a file that was written in utf-8 using geany, I can't get it to render properly in the terminal, even after lang is set to en_US.utf8 [02:09] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:10] TwinReverb: it seems k3b in kde4 isn't working well, but with the packages in /extra you can run the old version that works fine [02:10] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] TwinReverb: I think you have to remove the k3b you already have installed to get it to work right [02:11] upgradepkg, no [02:11] ? [02:11] I've been using svn versions of k3b in -current for a long time now. I'm running r1008177 [02:11] It works perfectly for me [02:12] would taring 230GB of folders/files cause a socks5 proxy to not work? [02:12] lf4: only if there is a bug with the proxy and you are sending the tar through it [02:14] thanks antiwire lol the stupid connection got disconnected right after the first page loaded. Haha thats right when I started tarring all my files. [02:14] hehe that's sometimes called synchronicity [02:14] check it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity [02:15] terrapin, i'm not using kde3 [02:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] per a conversation with someone else (forgot who), the k3b in -current is not the most up to date version, and there have been bug fixes [02:15] antiwire: :D awesome! haha I'm going to remember this. [02:16] if kde4 is going on 13.0 it had better work. that is the slackware way. [02:16] that's why i have been pulling from svn and building my own [02:16] yep, i may do that myself [02:16] but the problem is growisofs is also not working properly [02:16] TwinReverb: I didn't say you were using kde3, I was saying the version of k3b in /extra works, if a svn version works too, that is cool, but it isn't in -current [02:17] bah oh well. I'll work on it tomorrow. i'm exhausted. [02:17] night all [02:17] i didn't say you said i was using kde3 [02:17] i said i refuse to use kde3 [02:17] if kde4 is going on slackware 13.0 it had better work, that is the slackware way [02:17] so maybe patrick needs to be notified [02:17] however, the point being, growisofs is also not working [02:17] this is slackware-13.0-rc2 default "hugesmp.s" kernel [02:18] anyways, back to growisofs [02:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:18] every time i run it properly, it says it detected DVD+RW blank and needs to format, then dies [02:18] growisofs works here, but k3b in current doesn't, but k3b in /extra does [02:18] terrapin: are you running an upgraded system or a system that was a clean install of a version of current that had kde4? [02:18] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-105-45.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:19] clean install of current [02:19] about a week ago [02:19] let me get the error message [02:20] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] Executing 'builtin_dd if=slackware-dvd.iso of=/dev/dvd obs=32k seek=0' /dev/dvd: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/dvd: "Current Write Speed" is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/MEDIUM NOT FORMATTED]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type [02:20] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-106-118.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] which makes no sense because mine supports even dual layer, this is a normal single layer dvd+rw [02:21] this user has cdrom group and the device (/dev/dvd -> /dev/hda) and symlink are both g+wrx [02:22] k3b formats the medium fine though, which is strange. k3b in the past would not burn (it would get to 99% and barf) but growisofs worked fine. now the opposite is happening, sort of. [02:22] beep [02:22] ironiqq (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-1235c806d3dfebee) joined ##slackware. [02:22] hozsanna [02:23] o.o [02:23] hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [02:23] good [02:23] i am ironiq da developers of frugalware [02:23] how are you [02:23] i am fine and very drunk now [02:23] nix_chix0r: doing excellent, thank you. [02:23] here we go [02:23] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (95% of Full) [02:23] woot [02:24] 'allelujja vrotha'z [02:24] get me drunk? [02:24] the holy djihad started again today early mornin [02:25] Action: terrapin passes nix_chix0r a bottle of vodka [02:25] alcohol + irc is a recipe for teh ban [02:25] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) joined ##slackware. [02:25] i heard they were re-writting the quaran to be more up to date... [02:25] Action: TwinReverb laughs [02:25] twin brotha said god:) [02:26] Action: nix_chix0r mixes vodka with some cranberry juice [02:26] that is great [02:26] lets drink brotha'z [02:26] fosho [02:27] I am Ongavezir da holyness [02:27] I am da king of TrOLLz [02:28] ironiqq can you share more of your personall philosophy on life ? [02:28] lame [02:28] only trolls that are cool are the ones with jewels in their lint trap buttons [02:28] lol [02:29] or the ones in #ubuntu lol [02:29] i'm alergic to ubuntu.. i'm an ubuntist... [02:30] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:30] ironiqq: you have the IQ of an iron pot. [02:30] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:30] ##slackware: mode change '+d catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu/80.98.178.84' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:31] i was looking forward to hearing more about the day to day issues of ironiqq's life and his personal perspective on life [02:31] Tough shit. [02:31] He's a repeat troll here. [02:32] I'd like to hear about his adventures playing on the railroad tracks. [02:32] Preferably in the evening news. [02:32] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:32] thats funny [02:32] no its mean [02:32] http://i29.tinypic.com/2ir3pts.jpg [02:33] rworkman, heard of the k3b problems? know of a solution thus far? [02:33] TwinReverb: nope, so nope [02:33] spook: it's both. :) [02:33] rworkman, (scroll up ... i'm looking at possibly finding an svn to build) [02:33] antiwire, happen to have a package for that k3b you build from svn? [02:33] or a tarball of svn at least? [02:34] i do but I'm not the type to post by compiled packages [02:34] by/my [02:34] you don't think it has something to do with using the hugesmp.s kernel? (i will be rebooting into the generic-smp kernel in a few minutes) [02:35] My kernel doesn't deviate in any areas that would affect cd burning [02:35] antiwire, can i ask for the package? and what method works best to transfer the package? [02:35] TwinReverb: no idea. You can grab a newer svn snapshot from a kde mirror (look in the unstable/ dir) [02:35] ah [02:35] just svn pull it [02:35] rworkman: synaptics mouse issues on laptop = solved [02:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Dominian: what did you do? [02:35] Dominian: good deal. Did the evdev update fix the too-many-buttons problem too? [02:35] even after i got X/KDE to work on my new installation, after i start X/KDE and try to get back to a text console it is blank. All text consoles work fine before i start X/KDE, but not after [02:35] rworkman: not tested that one [02:36] dchmelik: intel driver? [02:36] rworkman: my desktop had that issue.. I just disabled the use of hal in xorg to fix that one [02:36] rworkman: the issue with the laptop.. there was a Synaptics_Touchpad tutorial on slackwiki [02:36] Dominian: try again - I think the evdev update will fix that. [02:36] followed that.. and bam [02:36] rworkman: eh... its working so beautifully now! [02:36] I'll test it tomorrow :P [02:36] dchmelik, if i am not mistaken, all the virtual terminals are ignored on intel (or is it due to /etc/inittab ?) [02:36] You were the reason I pushed that evdev update. [02:37] well i have an amd64 [02:37] josefig (n=juan@200.92.183.57) joined ##slackware. [02:37] and what would the CPU have to do with whether you are using fb or not? [02:37] rworkman: I'll test it tomororw! sheesh.. damn pushy devs [02:37] :P [02:37] no intel video [02:37] i have Matrox [02:37] rworkman: I mean hell I JUST got my box back up and running last night hehe [02:38] dchmelik, hmm what video card? [02:38] Dominian: :) [02:39] rworkman: its... fast [02:39] :D [02:39] the intel card, fwiw, is very picky on framebuffer and it changes with the version [02:39] my 2004 laptop has 855GM and it refuses to give you virtual terminals in X without intelfb up [02:40] wtfm where is da holy shit and ugly fat linuks penguin now? [02:40] TwinReverb: G450 [02:40] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [02:40] my current card hates all framebuffer modes i can throw at it, refusing to boot any of them [02:40] i had to play with /etc/inittab to get the shells not to terminate when going into X [02:41] the Matrox fb support [02:41] is not very good [02:41] rworkman helped me with it last time, forgot how to do it (hey rworkman can i ask what that option was again?) [02:41] dchmelik, yours is a matrox? [02:41] yes [02:41] rworkman, btw ironiqq is back [02:41] dchmelik, well give me a second and i'll try to remember how to get it working without framebuffer [02:42] DA [02:42] TwinReverb btrotha [02:42] my good fiend:) [02:42] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:42] TwinReverb, all i have to do is boot it without fb [02:43] that is easy [02:43] hmm that's quite a peculiar timing [02:43] it is very simple situation [02:43] dchmelik, yes but you also have to enable the ttys that are shut off when you go into init level 4 [02:43] i am trying to find the answer [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:43] so you mean i can type this in when it is on? [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-1235c806d3dfebee' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:43] ironiqq kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: rworkman [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:44] Apparently that "realname" ban didn't work. [02:44] what was the +d for? [02:44] antiwire: dickgirls [02:44] realname ban - should key in on this: 06:43 [freenode] -!- ircname : catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu/80.98.178.84 - [02:45] personally i'm very impressed with the magnatude of this troll [02:45] ah [02:45] trolls don't impress me [02:45] they're lower life forms than script kiddies [02:45] nargon: its an i :) and your name is wrong, its nergon14 [02:45] rworkman, so if you don't mind me bothering you, what was the way to have /etc/inittab not disable ttys when you go into init level 4? [02:45] rworkman: eh.. [02:45] Action: TwinReverb is googling [02:45] rworkman: if he keep susing the web client.. you'll be banning till the end of time [02:45] TwinReverb: btw, the person who was transposing my nick and trolling was k-lined after he asked for a cloak in #freenode and staff saw his nick situation [02:46] did anyone play zork where you go into the basement of the white house and that troll is there.. if you throw the brick at him he eats is... [02:46] antiwire, i could care less, but i'm glad it was resolved [02:46] TwinReverb: find this part of inittab: [02:46] # These are the standard console login getties in multiuser mode: [02:46] c1:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux [02:46] antiwire: hehe [02:46] Add a 4 to that and c{2,3,4,5} [02:46] change it to c1:12345 [02:46] rworkman, thanks [02:47] (that will make all consoles also be active in rl4 - as it currently is, only console 6 will be active) [02:47] 06:46 wtfm have you any problemz brotha? [02:47] 06:47 wanna fuck your motha and slackware distro now? [02:47] 06:47 You're a troll. FOAD. [02:47] is he still on? [02:47] That was pm. [02:47] does X still have that problem with the load average of 1 without any vts ? [02:47] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [02:48] eh [02:48] spook: I don't think so [02:48] dchmelik, ok, disable framebuffer and then do what rworkman just told me [02:48] he initiated it, not me. :) [02:48] 06:48 I am da king of troll, dont forget please [02:48] i remember that this is how i got my intel working on ttys 2-6 without framebuffer [02:48] the king of troll now that is amazing [02:48] no it's not [02:48] that's like being the king of stupid [02:48] i'm telling you i'm impressed [02:48] then you're easily impressed 8-) [02:49] here, buy my album 8-) [02:49] nargon: what is so impressing about using the web chat? [02:50] wait, web chat? [02:50] i'm just fascinated with the level of stupidity.. and rworkmans response.. [02:50] rworkman, do you know of any problem between hugesmp.s and generic-smp.s that would cause slackware-13.0-rc2 to not allow me to burn dvd+rw's ? [02:50] Awww, I'm fascinating. :) [02:50] no [02:50] TwinReverb and rworkman, thanks, but i already rebooted [02:50] i do not think i will be using fb anymore right now [02:50] dchmelik, did it work? [02:51] without fb [02:51] Action: TwinReverb never uses framebuffer unless he has to, as he did with his old 855GM intel laptop [02:51] i just wanted to see 'links -driverfb' [02:52] but i see it has a SVGAlib driver too [02:52] antiwire, do you get cmake errors? [02:52] TwinReverb: fatal errors? no [02:52] hmm i'm getting them [02:52] it builds fine, there are commented warnings though... [02:52] and it runs fine too [02:52] i burn dvds all day long [02:53] r/rw/dl whatever [02:54] http://pastebin.com/d35c6b663 [02:54] man if slackware-13.0-rc2 can't burn dvd's that would be a fatal error for me (assuming i could tolerate any distro other than slackware, which i can't 8-) [02:54] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-84-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] are you building it using the kde build environment from slackware? [02:55] or just trying to build it in the svn pull? [02:55] just trying to build it so i can burn dvds [02:55] but i don't know why growisofs isn't working either [02:55] are you building it using the kde build environment or not? [02:55] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-90-157.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [02:55] the kde build environment? [02:55] ... [02:56] Action: TwinReverb is clueless, but was just in a xterm trying to compile it [02:56] am i supposed to be using a kde app to build this? [02:57] i didn't see anything in the INSTALL that said anything other than using cmake [02:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.135.2) joined ##slackware. [02:59] it was not clear to me how you restart the consoles as non-fb [02:59] rworkman, i typed in what you said but i do not think it is a command [03:00] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:00] it's not a command [03:00] i will try agetty different ttys [03:00] dchmelik, you must edit /etc/inittab [03:00] that's what he was referring to [03:00] find the lines that are c1 etc [03:00] then add 4 to the 12356 part [03:01] so then it's like this: [03:01] i thought you just have to change the vga type in lilo [03:01] c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux [03:01] yes to vga=normal [03:01] (i.e. no framebuffer) [03:01] i put it on ask and choose a VESA mode [03:01] ah then you turned it back on [03:02] but it does not show the monster pictures for each CPU [03:02] granted this is a work-around for video drivers that don't like framebuffer [03:02] it is like non-fb with hirez [03:02] it won't: it only shows the penguins per CPU on framebuffer [03:02] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.85.225) joined ##slackware. [03:02] damn opera died taking all the tabs with it [03:02] so what do you do after editing inittab? [03:03] is there any way to get my terminal to say where im at like what hostname im connected to instead of just bash 3.1? [03:03] it sounds like an xterm [03:03] Nexxus: are you using su? [03:03] antiwire: yes [03:03] Nexxus: use su - [03:03] dchmelik, restart and do vga=normal [03:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] ok, but i will do vga=ask [03:04] you just save /etc/inittab after modification and then reboot (because you need to shut off vga=ask) [03:04] no, do vga=normal [03:04] is there any way to choose video mode '1' and not have it be fb? [03:04] Nexxus: you can use su - or 'source /etc/profile' [03:04] not that i am aware of [03:04] like i said, this is a work-around: disable framebuffer [03:04] antiwire: well when i open up the terminal it just says bash 3.1: im wondering if i can change that [03:04] i barely ever use vga=normal and i am not going to [03:04] otherwise you can play around with the framebuffer modes if you want [03:04] but some newer video cards hate framebuffer [03:05] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [03:05] i usually use video mode 1 and it is not fb [03:05] Nexxus: yes you need to configure whatever your terminal is. [03:05] gotta go now [03:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:05] antiwire: where would that be for XFCE4 [03:05] you're on your own [03:06] probably set it to use use a login shell [03:06] ok ill see what i can find thanks [03:07] btw the latest k3b svn built fine for me [03:07] i bet lilo can start some other video modes that are not fb [03:08] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.63) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:10] like mode 1f01 [03:11] bork bork [03:11] lol [03:11] y0 Rat409 [03:11] It's been years since I used lilo, (2003) has there been any more big changes to it? [03:11] someone told me it is stable now [03:11] hey fire|bird got kde 4,3 done? [03:12] antiwire: I got the image file mounted now on 2.6.29.6 kernel. :D At least I can do stuff with that. [03:12] Rat409: yup, using it right now. [03:12] grub does not work on many modern systems, like 64-bit ones or ones with different disk hardware [03:12] eh [03:12] dchmelik: grub works [03:12] not on my amd64 [03:12] and someone on the grub team told me there is no 64-bit version [03:12] I used to run openSUSE 64bit.. it uses grub.. it worked fine [03:12] dchmelik: grub works on all my systems. [03:12] nice fire|bird what was the build-time on the successful build-attempt? [03:13] How to change the default shell in slackware? [03:13] Rat409: eternity+1 [03:13] vi /etc/passwd [03:13] Rat409: Umm, well it took a while, like 5-6 hours here. :P [03:13] Dominian: indeed lol [03:14] fire|bird: i was guessing more than that [03:14] Dominian: haha, but 4.3 is very nice, so imo, it was worth it. :) [03:14] fire|bird: I'm running whatever is in -current [03:14] Dominian: 4.2.4 [03:14] yah [03:14] Rat409: Yeah, me too, kdelibs I think is what took the longest, but there were others that went fast. [03:15] cool [03:15] Rat409: it's really nice. :D [03:15] i can imagine [03:16] but i'm a gsb type guy,just a few kde pieces here [03:16] adeodatus: What spook said or $chsh [03:17] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) left irc: "Leaving" [03:17] just upgraded my 12.2 to gnome-slack-build 2.26 [03:17] Rat409: http://omploader.org/vMjQ5aA [03:17] this week,looking [03:17] Rat409: yet your quit message says Pekwm, it ain't your grandma's wm. :P [03:17] I want xterm [03:17] Dominian and lf4, do you use grub on Slackware64? [03:18] lilo ftw!!! [03:18] i found a neat thing in lilo: vga=ext [03:18] fire|bird: very nice!! indeed [03:18] who would want to use vga=normal nowadays? [03:18] people with non-standard res [03:18] yeah if they have an i386 or something [03:18] haha [03:19] dchmelik: I used grub with slackware 12.2/ubuntu 9.04 x86_64/centos 5 x86_64 [03:19] Rat409: with 4.3, you can have the globe as the wallpaper, interactive too and it changes as the time changes to reflect the places that are night. :) [03:19] lf4: Ubuntu? WHY MAN, WHY??? [03:19] fire|bird: Work lol [03:19] fire|bird: wow cool [03:20] lf4: convert them to slack. :D [03:20] fire|bird: I have to know debian systems just because every job I had if they use linux its either ubuntu or debian. I just have centos on my home system to leran it because RH is used a lot. [03:20] Rat409: http://imagebin.org/58678 [03:20] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:20] i have some kde,installed mostly for 3,4 apps . looking [03:21] lf4: you have my sympathy. :P [03:21] lf4: might as well make it look good: http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-install-kde-4-3-on-ubuntu-jaunty/ :D [03:21] fire|bird: I would love to but its not worth the trouble every co-worker is either ubuntu/fedora/suse users. lol [03:21] convert them all I say. :D [03:22] lol they are all to lazy to be converted. [03:22] lf4: yeah, I know what you mean. :P [03:22] fire|bird: i like the slacky.eu slack logo better than the "k" :P [03:22] quote "I use ubuntu because why mess with getting it to work when someone else already has?" [03:23] Rat409: I have an icon set that has the slack "S" logo instead of the K, but when I use that one, my weather icons are messed up. [03:23] now here's some snow blowers. :D http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/08/jet-engines-on-trucks-for-fun-and.html [03:26] pretty wild [03:26] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:26] haha fire|bird I like it :) [03:27] they'd be fun to drive, just so you didn't start the road on fire. :P [03:27] i tried to encourage an ubutu user to try mandriva but they refused [03:27] IceW (n=old-time@201-1-83-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [03:28] imagine running over a bird with those things. :P [03:28] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:29] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:30] nargon: how is mandriva? last time I used it was back when it was mandrake 9 or 8 even lol. [03:31] lf4: Have you tried Sabayon 4.2 at all and listened to their boot music? It's realy cool. [03:31] lol fire|bird no I haven't I have old sabayon cd's that I lol just tossed in the trash. [03:31] i havn't used much since mandrake.. but i poped in a mandriva about 6 months ago.. booted up with sound and everything first time seemed really easy to use.. [03:32] lf4: i used grub with 12.2 too--on 32-bit [03:32] lf4: the music alone is worth trying it for, imo. Sabayon sure has some awesome artwork too. [03:33] bbiam [03:33] dchmelik (n=David@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [03:33] i don't know i have a personal issue with ubuntu for some reason and refuse to use it... i was traveling needed to use a computer, someone offered to let me use the ubuntu system and i refused... they thought i was a psycho... i almost logged into ubunto from the console but then decided i didn't need to use the internet afterall [03:33] fire|bird: lol i'll give it a try... only reason why I had it before was to mess around with compiz [03:34] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:34] nargon: haha funny [03:34] nargon: well just wait until you have a job where they only have them. Would you quit right when you found that out? [03:34] lf4: I was just messing around with it on my laptop with the live dvd. [03:35] lf4 fortunately i run my own company .. i have 60+ employees and I force people to use slackware [03:35] if i find someone with windows i take their laptop imeediately [03:35] nargon: Thats awesome can I work for you. :) haha [03:35] haha [03:35] haha nargon what is your company? [03:35] heh.. yeah if u want to work in iraq.. (suck) [03:36] fire|bird: my simple pekwm/bmpanel setup http://omploader.org/vMjQ5aQ [03:36] lf4 its an isp [03:36] gotta crash be well all! later [03:36] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [03:37] nargon: Oh lol i think the commute would be a downside to that. [03:37] holy long wedding dress batman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5986681/Chinese-bride-gets-married-in-1.4-mile-long-wedding-dress.html [03:37] we pretty much use freebsd or slackware for all our servers... i have an old gentoo system running from a buddy of mine who installed it like 3 years ago.. [03:38] and i'm on an openbsd system not which has survived over the years [03:38] fire|bird: thats not a dress its a bunch of curtains sewn together :P [03:38] s/not/now [03:38] lf4: haha, probably. [03:38] nargon: Cool :) [03:39] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:39] lf4 oh yeah and i forgot to mention the debian asterisk cluster... [03:40] nargon: debian close enough to ubuntu lol [03:41] lf4 i wanted to run slackware but all the asterisk consultants were debian heads so i went with that so they would be comfortable [03:41] At least I installed XFce on this system lol I don't like gnome [03:41] nargon: Ahh makes sense. [03:42] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) joined ##slackware. [03:42] where do i copy libflashplayer.so to get flash running? [03:42] lf4 and and old trixbox running centos :) [03:43] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [03:43] Nexxus: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [03:43] hey mancha [03:43] re [03:43] thanks fire|bird [03:43] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [03:47] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [03:51] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [03:51] I have another controversial question! [03:51] can i set root's ~ to another user's ~? [03:51] or will that mess up single-user mode? [03:52] sure [03:52] one of the conditions might be sure [03:53] lf4: not my pic, but check this out: http://rolandvb.topcities.com/Weather/Fierce_Skies.jpg [03:53] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [03:54] fire|bird: WHOA now that is a cool one. [03:54] yeah [03:55] lol though that storm might scare me if it looked like that and I was round. [03:55] hahaha [03:55] it would be Armageddon [03:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYSgCb2ibLY , tell me your reviews , well lanugage might be strange :) [03:56] dchmelik: well, it looks like it anyway. :P [03:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.129.69) joined ##slackware. [03:59] init[1]: I'm use to hindi its a pretty good video :) [03:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:59] josefig (n=juan@200.92.183.57) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:00] \o/, another new opera 10 snapshot. :D [04:01] lf4: aa.. its really soothing song,isn't it ? [04:01] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:01] fire|bird: hopy ya like it too [04:01] s/hopy/hope/ [04:01] Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [04:01] night fire|bird [04:01] night lf4 [04:01] night init[1] [04:01] gn [04:01] heh, we have 1 and 4, where's 2 and 3? :P [04:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [04:04] i think i figured out my network problem... i did not need to reinstall but it was worth it [04:05] i just had to take out and put back in my wireless device to reset it [04:05] lol dchmelik [04:06] i installed a newer slackware version anyway [04:07] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Nick change: shik4nt4z4 -> Guest59926 [04:07] dchmelik: well thats good :) what version? [04:08] Aloha! [04:08] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:08] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:09] hello [04:09] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [04:09] it is some version after 12.2 that i rsynced and made a DVD of [04:10] Nick change: Guest59926 -> m4lik [04:10] dchmelik: Oh lol alright [04:10] m4lik (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Client Quit [04:10] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Hello, after kernel upgrade i dont have sound?! [04:11] did you make the kernel? [04:12] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:12] James__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [04:13] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:14] what about the kernel? i've upgraded and no sound now. When i try to ./configure new alsa driver i got configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel. [04:16] x1user: make menuconfig -> device drivers -> Sound Card Support -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (aka: ALSA) [04:16] it's in the kernel, in other words [04:16] so should i precompile the kernel? [04:17] i do not see what is wrong with building in ALSA [04:18] x1user: possibly.. if you didn't put it in your current build and you want ALSA.. maybe it just hasn't been modprobe'd.. I can't say from here :) [04:18] the driver, that is [04:19] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.140) joined ##slackware. [04:20] And if i am runnin now drm-intel kernel, if i upgrade with the latest kernel, will my xorg fail [04:20] Because i've installed drm-intell due to make intellinuxgraphics driver work [04:22] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) joined ##slackware. [04:22] its more of a matter of knowing your system.. if you know whats in your system and the limitations of whats in your system, then no.. it shouldn't change xorg.. [04:22] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] when i make the new menuconfig, after is it make enough, or i need new bzImage [04:22] w [04:22] just make [04:22] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] then you need to install the modules, too [04:23] Anyone have any luck with wine? [04:23] & steam [04:23] Orion: I love it.. had some earlier :) [04:24] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:24] quasar: well I love wine. I myself have been drinking scotch all night but I have two fine 5 liters sitting for me on the counter :) [04:24] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [04:25] Action: quasar can't do scotch :\ [04:25] As fine as a 5 liter wine bottle could be anyways [04:25] quasar: oh? Don't like the taste? [04:25] not at all [04:25] when i had to reinstall i was driven to drink a beer [04:25] (non-alcoholic) [04:26] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:26] quasar: most people don't, its a very acquired taste. I actually didn't care for it the first few times I drank it but it grew on me. [04:27] dchmelik: yes I know *nix can drive you to do things... terrible things. [04:27] Action: quasar is a rum guy [04:27] quasar: thats funny I don't really care for rum [04:27] lol [04:27] to each is own, eh? [04:27] his* [04:27] indeed :) [04:28] and dchmelik can keep his beer, I'd take scotch over beer any day (alcoholic or not) [04:28] lol I love beer :) [04:29] you have a very refined tongue, no? [04:30] yep :) [04:30] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] now it runs but make fails [04:30] I'll drink lager but not beer .. strange eh? [04:30] How to make rxvt the default bash shell on slackware? [04:31] x1user: sorry I came into the middle what are you trying to compile? [04:31] adeo, that seems like a window manager issue [04:31] alsa-driver [04:31] i will paste the logs from make, because i myself cant understand what's wrong [04:31] i.e. "default" in what sense, some nice button icon on your choice WM? [04:32] in console [04:32] x1user: did you compile your current kernel? [04:32] there is no default in console, you start up the terminal you want [04:32] if you want rxvt, you type rxvt [04:32] How to do that/ [04:32] quasar: dang you and my gf would get along. She hates scotch, whiskey and regular beer. She loves dark lagers, rum and wine. [04:33] quassar: no [04:33] x1user: then more than likely your soundcard was included as a module.. do you know which soundcard you have? [04:33] anyone recall how to make konqueror have green text on black? [04:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [04:33] adeo, are you talking before starting X? [04:34] http://pastebin.org/7394 [04:34] i excluded the alsa from the kernel as told and now configures [04:34] When I type rxvt I get this message: can't open display. [04:34] but make fails [04:34] adeo, you are not the user that started X then [04:34] dchmelik: right click > settings > schema [04:34] adeodatus: are you running as root? [04:34] adeodatus: or not in a X session? [04:35] thanks, lf4 [04:35] no [04:35] i cannot seem to find schema [04:36] adeodatus: weird I don't get that msg unless I'm logged as root trying to execute a graphical program. Could your pastebin your problem? [04:36] http://pastebin.org/7395 this is form make where it fails [04:37] dchmelik: sorry misread that as konsole lol not konqueror. [04:37] yeah, i got konsole that way already [04:37] x1user: are you sure you dont have ALSA? [04:37] dchmelik: it would be adjusted by your theme then. [04:38] i did it manually before [04:38] not sure [04:38] x1user: meh I don't know crap but your getting a lot of compile errors. Are your compile programs (gcc, g++, etc) up to date? [04:39] gcc is 4.2.3 [04:39] x1user: whereis alsa [04:39] type that [04:39] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:39] alsa: /usr/include/alsa /usr/share/alsa [04:39] you have alsa [04:39] no need to recompile it [04:40] Slackware comes with alsa, no? [04:40] yes [04:40] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:40] but i got no sound, everything in alsa mixer is on max [04:41] x1user: lspci | grep audio [04:41] when i run alsaconf i got no legacy drivers available [04:41] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.239) joined ##slackware. [04:41] x1user: Have you turned on with 'm' the right channels? [04:41] qusar: no output [04:41] I am not running rxvt in x session. How to run rxvt in console? [04:41] shik4nt4z4: turn what with m [04:42] I am not running rxvt in x session. How to run rxvt in console? [04:42] x1user: Never mind if alsa has no drivers for your system. [04:43] x1user: back to the question I asked earlier.. do you know what soundcard your system has? brand/model? [04:43] Card: Hda Intel Chip: Intel G45 DEVCTG that is form alsaconf, i will check now lspci [04:44] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-1235c806d3dfebee expired. [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-1235c806d3dfebee' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:44] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [04:44] well that seems for me like no driver ? [04:45] x1user: I believe I have a similar sound card. It's a "HD" card, right? [04:47] sorry guys don't listen to my bullshit [04:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.73) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:47] re [04:49] x1user alsactl, alsamixer alsaconf [04:49] i got them and tried [04:49] what prob? [04:50] alsamixer is everything on max but no sound [04:50] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.234) joined ##slackware. [04:50] alsaconf cant find legacy drivers? [04:50] ok; basics: plugined. powered? [04:51] usb speakers? 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[04:56] soound [04:56] or alsa [04:57] neither found [04:57] grep -w 22 /proc/interrupt and show one line here [04:57] no such file or directory [04:57] tab complete filename [04:58] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.156) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:58] 22: 16451 16498 IO-APIC-fasteoi HDA Intel [04:58] ok [04:58] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [04:59] if it uses codec: IDT 92HD71B7X [04:59] did you make a new kernel yet? [04:59] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:59] he'll have to put info into modprobe.con [04:59] modprobe.conf* [04:59] i think he'll be better off with a new kernel and sound in, instead of mod [04:59] Action: quasar agrees [04:59] k [04:59] rebuild kernel with alsa? [04:59] yes [05:00] go through all sound opts in menuconfig and get proper code IN kernel, not a M]odule [05:00] but i am aware it wont work because it was like that before [05:00] last time you tried, have you gotten new kernel src yet? [05:01] i didnot have sound with any kernel except default slackware's [05:01] then time to try again [05:02] 2.6.31-rc2 now before that 2.6.30.4 [05:02] no sound for bot [05:02] k [05:02] try both kernels with snd in [05:02] my point is that you go thru all sound parts in menuconfig looking for right Intel module to include. [05:03] there can be only one [05:03] compare to info in proc/interrupts that we saw before [05:03] to get it right [05:03] i saw something wrong about snd in alsa's make [05:03] errors or warnings? [05:03] warnings [05:03] you can safely ignore those [05:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.85.225) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] and errors yes [05:04] or complain to management (maintainer) [05:04] ok [05:04] it is seems like missing something when running make [05:04] can i install snd outside and what exactly is it [05:04] then find what is missing and include it [05:04] rephrase q [05:05] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:05] be sure that kernel tree is very clean before menuconfig [05:06] how to make sure of that [05:06] rm tree and untar [05:06] find a scrub brush! [05:06] or make help and choose correct target [05:06] to make [05:07] ok , i have never did it before [05:07] time to learn [05:07] I will check now the sound parts in menuconfig [05:07] let's end here; i have to sleep; talk to me later [05:07] ok thanks for the help [05:08] read the top level readme file [05:08] and the Doc*/ files [05:08] `make help' also has info [05:08] read it all [05:09] yw gn [05:09] gone [05:09] night Quiznos [05:10] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: "Leaving" [05:10] just last question where to look for snd, to include [05:11] Device Drivers -> <*> Sound Card Support -> [05:11] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:12] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:12] <*> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture -> [*] PCI sound devices -> <*> Intel HD Audio -> .. whichever you have [05:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] quasar: lol they'll figure it out :P [05:14] I hope so, because I have no clue which they need.. but I ahve a feeling he'll be back because the kernel wont work.. that's just my feeling though [05:14] and when he does, I'll silently go afk :D [05:14] haha yeah [05:15] _ohm (n=research@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] pupit (n=pupit@91.150.106.58) joined ##slackware. [05:16] I've only messed with the kernel once lol that took for ever but since then I haven't really don't anything. Oh and I forgot to save the settings. [05:16] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [05:17] I've always built my own.. that's the first thing I do [05:17] hate HAET. [05:18] quasar: how come? [05:19] Action: quasar shrugs [05:20] haha alright. [05:20] pihentagyu (n=doeppjak@92.82.60.9) joined ##slackware. [05:20] I dunno.. you know how the first time you try something, if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth you might not ever try it again? [05:21] back when I started I couldn't get my WinModem to work in RedHat .. and I guess it left a bad taste in my mouth [05:21] Yeah lol did you have a problem with modules? [05:21] started playing with linux* [05:21] quasar: Oh makes sense [05:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] lol first version of linux I ever ran I stole from Walmart [05:23] Action: quasar snickers [05:23] quasar: Haha when was that? [05:23] I was 14 so.. 12 years ago [05:24] I didn't have a cd burner, was on dialup so even if I did have a cd burner it would take forever to download.. I heard that linux was supposed to be "free" .. so it was [05:24] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:25] lol and to think I just had to do the same thing... instead I downloaded the 700mb file to burn haha took a total of 72hrs good thing download managers were out by then. [05:28] I'm sooo glad dialup is obsolite (er, imo) [05:29] last time I was on dialup was when I got to my first PDS in the air force... MSN had a 30 day trial so I used it for 2-3 days while waiting on Cox to set me up with cable [05:29] I kinda miss it a little lol but seeing my downloads take seconds instead of hrs or days I couldn't give up. [05:30] you know what I miss about dialup? BBS systems [05:30] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] oh man BBS were cool :) [05:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424180.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:30] No matter what i do with sound card support section, alsa remains so the snd problem. [05:38] i used to run a bbs [05:38] people would wake me up in the middle of the night using the page sysop function to beg me to reset their excitilus account [05:38] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [05:38] those were the good old days... our bbs was proud to offer all sorts of downloads including a specific file named e1.jpg which was a guy taking [05:38] a crap in a womans mouth... [05:38] those were the good old days... our bbs was proud to offer all sorts of downloads including a specific file named e1.jpg which was a guy taking a crap in a womans mouth [05:39] thats messed up lol [05:39] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:39] my friend ben uploaded it... he was all excited that he got ahold of it [05:40] nargon: yeah i know what you mean. [05:41] later on i wrote a batch file that searched subnets looking for open windows shares.. it would then replace the windows 95 logo with the e1 photo of the guy dumping in the womans mouth [05:43] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:43] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-218-145.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] i should put that on my resume... [05:45] Nick change: panzer_ -> panzer [05:45] i will use KDE3 until the bitter end [05:45] dchmelik: why? [05:45] :) [05:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:47] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:48] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-218-145.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:48] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.51) joined ##slackware. [05:48] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.51) left ##slackware. [05:48] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-218-145.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] hey all [05:49] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:51] on slackbuild does that IR patch really works? [05:51] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:51] i'm happier with Fvwm or fluxbox.. [05:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:52] nargon: yeah it does not use much memory :-P [05:53] plus its stable as mofo [05:53] greetings all [05:53] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] nargon: how much mem you got? [05:54] pihentagyu: hello man:-P [05:54] i don't know man i have alot of different systems [05:54] how long does wine takes :-P [05:55] masterx831: as long as it takes you to drink. [05:55] just compiled KDE 4.3.0 on slackware64, significantly faster than 4.2.x [05:55] nargon: rich bastard and Probably viewing it on a 32 inch lcd lol [05:56] the room i'm in now has 3 32 inch dells 2 of them are rotated long ways [05:56] lf4: lol very funny [05:57] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:57] nargon: lol what about personal computers? haha not the ones at your work. [05:57] lol [05:58] my mac airbook has i dont' know man i don't pay attention... [05:58] I need more memory on this computer [05:58] how can i check the mem on here [05:58] masterx831: is it linux/windows/mac? [05:59] yeah i'm running parellels on that... [06:00] slackware of course.. but my svgalib crashes in the parellels virtual machine on the mac [06:00] linux_probe: [06:00] of corse [06:00] i mean linux lol [06:01] masterx831: free -m [06:01] thank you! [06:01] Mem: 496 423 73 [06:01] lf4: :-( [06:01] so you have 512 RAM [06:02] yeah and installation of wine is taking over 423 [06:02] i think the world would be better off without windows [06:02] lol thats because its trying to emulate windows and does a good job :P [06:03] I am not running X just non graphic [06:03] lf4: its not through source its packaging [06:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] nargon: na windows does have its uses. [06:03] lf4 yeah i know it does.. but imagine how nice it would be if it were gone [06:04] lf4: well i need it for school have to install this adove photoshop and illustrator [06:04] going 2 lunch ttyall [06:04] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) left ##slackware. [06:04] nargon: then we would have so many noob's in here asking dumb questions. :P [06:04] later natural_1ind [06:05] masterx831: I see, sorry I don't use WINE if I need windows I run a VM of it. [06:05] wtf.. is that, VM [06:06] virtual machine [06:06] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] oh how would you do that? can I do it with slackware? [06:06] woot, i got sound :) [06:07] masterx831: yes check out virtualbox.org [06:07] good to hear x1user what was the issue? [06:07] lf4: wow ok brb let me check :-P thank you [06:07] np [06:08] something with snd, but i ve took all pakcages from the alsa-project's site and in one of them were snd things, now runs ok [06:08] also installed asound [06:09] I got strange problem, before slackware starts to loads it asks me for video mode or something like this, it loads in low resolution, i can even see the tux logos? [06:09] *cant see [06:10] x1user: your fb(framebuffer) is not set correctly [06:10] how to fix this, it also happened with new kernel [06:11] x1user: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer [06:12] in short set it with in your bootloader. [06:13] hm in lilo.conf it is set to the highest res like it should? [06:13] vga = 773 [06:14] x1user: thats 1024x768x8 if you can I would suggest 792 which is 1024x768x32 [06:15] check this out http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/lifeforce4-30748/2009/5/31/a-more-complete-vga-resolutions-list-for-grub-and-lilo.-2000/ [06:16] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:16] Hi. How can I copy my linux to another hdd? with swap and make it bootable. [06:16] wine package takes forever :| [06:17] I wanna continue with VirturalBox :-P [06:17] Keiffer: create an image of it [06:17] lf4, i have a tar? is it good? [06:17] Keiffer: no, tar != image [06:18] Keiffer: check out a liveCD called clonezilla. [06:18] the must be an simpler way. like cp or other [06:19] what if i simply copy / and then install the bootloader? [06:19] Keiffer: not simpler but you don't have to do much you can use dd [06:19] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] ok.. dd [06:19] Happy Migration Day! [06:20] lf4: I think that the frame buffer is for the lilo loader, when you choose to boot Linux, my resolution is changed after that [06:20] x1user: http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/lifeforce4-30748/2009/5/31/a-more-complete-vga-resolutions-list-for-grub-and-lilo.-2000/ [06:20] I got a message wrong video mode 316 i think it was, and space to continue or wait 30sec, or enter to see video modes available [06:22] x1user: humm did you enable support for fb when you built the kernel? [06:23] i am not sure i left everything default, except i ecluded sound support [06:24] Ok. another Question. Can you install a linux distro from within another linux? LiveCD, but you only have it's image, not the actual cd/DVD [06:24] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:25] x1user: check these two sites out. http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/emb-framebuffer-howto.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html [06:25] Keiffer: Yes to your first question and the second one I did not understand. [06:26] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:27] lf4, i have the .iso of a linux on my hdd. I also have a secondary hdd. I don't have any cd/dvds near me within a range of 10 km. and my dvd burner works only rarely. I want to install on the secondary HDD ANY linux distro [06:27] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:27] Keiffer: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /foo.iso /mountpoint [06:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:28] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-44-246.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Zordrak, thanks, but how will that help me? can I copy the files from the iso? [06:28] >.< [06:28] How to load a module in modprobe.conf ? [06:28] >.< [06:29] Action: Zordrak leaves before his failometer asplodes [06:29] Action: lf4 hands the rains over to Zordrak :P [06:29] is possible ? [06:31] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:33] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Anyone can help me ? [06:34] nope [06:35] echo "/sbin/modprobe modulename" >> /etc/modprobe.conforwhereever [06:36] spook, tnks [06:36] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-44-246.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [06:36] hrad (n=hrad@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [06:38] I've got an external HD with data formatted to ext4, is there a way to read it on 12.2 ? or make a partition and format it on ext4 ? [06:38] yes [06:39] and read the ext4 HD ? [06:39] hrad: yes. tune2fs -t test_fs /dev/yourdev i think [06:40] nope, its -E test_fs [06:44] slackware with 2gb of mem will it run stable? [06:44] idiotus (n=slack@78-105-137-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:44] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] very stable [06:44] WTF is with these people? Is it the weexkend moron crew over for a visit?! [06:44] Zordrak: hahaha relax.. [06:44] Hi guys..sorry to bother you but I cannot install Adobe Flash on my Slackbox [06:45] thank you spoo [06:45] http://xkcd.com/619/ [06:45] k [06:45] hrad (n=hrad@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) left ##slackware. [06:45] pupit: im just used to being here on weekdays when people have IQs > 3 [06:45] Zordrak: The world is in a decline of them. [06:47] hey.. my IQ is 4.. and I'm trying damnit. [06:48] Action: lf4 took the test and got 3.00001 yay I just passed. :) [06:48] my IQ is low so I suppose I shouldn't try Slackware...I should go to my GUI Ubuntu :( [06:49] Zordrak: try ./install_Flash_player [06:49] Zordrak: don't listen to their insult make them work [06:51] Action: pupit lol [06:51] on the .tar file the only file after extracted is libflashplayer.so [06:51] >.< [06:51] theres an installer too [06:52] i had this exact conversation yesterday [06:52] repeat it :D [06:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Copy+paste :D [06:52] Action: Zordrak pastes the entire channel log for yesterday [06:53] I know it should be flash-installer (after I read on How To's)but when that's why I'm an idiot...I cannot find the file after I extract... [06:53] you'd get a kick after a few lines [06:53] Action: lf4 kicked Zordrak for flooding. :) lol [06:53] yes...copy and paste from another conversation :D [06:54] I know is hard to answer the same questions over and over... [06:54] :( [06:55] idiotus: you un tared the file correct? [06:55] I hope so...once with gunzip , Extract Here from KDE [06:56] Action: pupit "lil' tar lil' tar, let me in; im just a tarded lil' kid Bin" [06:57] haha pupit [06:57] idiotus: And you only have libflashplayer.so? [06:57] pupit: nice lirycs [06:57] wats KDE? [06:57] yes just that File [06:59] does anyone use/have snownews installed on 32bit and willing to try something? [06:59] and you got it from adobe.com? [06:59] idiotus: download it again. http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(.tar.gz) [07:00] idiotus: is this 32 or 64-bit? [07:01] downloaded again...same file inside [07:02] basically add this feed: http://www.slackware-fr.org/changelog.php?version=64-current , press m to mark it as read, and then reload it pressing r. does it mark the feeds as read? [07:02] either way, you can just chuck that in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [07:02] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:02] for system-wide, on 32-bit, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, 64-bit, there's a package in extra/, or /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ [07:03] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] or does it still load the same supposingly read feeds? [07:04] It's 43 [07:04] srry It's 32 [07:05] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@213.249.205.114) joined ##slackware. [07:08] idiotus: and, if you type "file libflashplayer.so", what does it say? [07:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: "Leaving" [07:08] idiotus, just take it easy, its not the end of the world if u dont get it first time, i remember my silly questions like: how to record a audio cd? so i took a mic, place it in front of a speaker and run a sndrec32.exe... so my buddy told me:"there is a audio graber u Idiot" [07:08] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:10] libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped [07:10] that is the output when ask for file libflashplayer.so [07:11] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] God damnit this coffee makes me want to stick my head in the pot and just snort it straight up [07:11] nothing changes, but i got frame buffer support [07:12] Zordrak have took harder stimulants then coffee?! [07:14] Zordrak: its that good huh? :) [07:15] hell yes. French Roast.. ground yesterday morning, stored in a hermetically sealed pot [07:15] Desmirrel (n=desmirre@82-46-78-218.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) joined ##slackware. [07:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] I think I'll login as root and startx even if this is the worst thing to do on slack...:)...it may be some sort of permissions [07:16] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [07:16] hmm.. french roast.. now I want french toast. [07:17] Action: lf4 gives quasar french frys. [07:19] oddsock (n=oddsock@tc-cutuk-net1-22.team.ba) joined ##slackware. [07:20] http://pastebin.org/7418 this means i got i frame buffer support right ? [07:22] yeah...Finally I've done it :)...I just copied the *.so file to the mozilla plugin path.... [07:22] >.< [07:22] so Simple...and Zordrak knew it...but he was speaking about French Fries...:))) [07:22] lol [07:22] idiotus: french roast lol I spoke of frys [07:23] Kawfeee [07:23] French Roast...French Frys...Potato, Potatoe :)) [07:24] thx...guys...that's why I was so impressed about Slack (it looks complicate but it's so simple)...I hope my IQ will jump 140 now :) [07:25] fred: you english? [07:25] idiotus: y can change your nick now [07:26] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:26] necropresto: Neahh, I'm still very dumb....I'm still used with GUI (which I hate it...) [07:26] idiotus: uses the GUI lol [07:27] blah idiotus I still use the gui [07:27] GUI is invented by Comunists :)...so they control everything :D [07:27] david_ (n=david@pool-173-62-251-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] :P [07:28] idiotus: try ratpoison [07:28] Neah: Ratpoison --> Not Good ; I need my breakfast I haven't touch my food since this morning... [07:28] cheers [07:28] ! [07:29] idiotus (n=slack@78-105-137-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:29] huahu [07:31] david_ (n=david@pool-173-62-251-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:33] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [07:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: "Leaving" [07:37] They told him don't you ever come around here.. don't wanna see your face you'd better disappear - the fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear so beat it. Just beat it. [07:37] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.52.79) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Nick change: SQlvpapir_ -> SQlvpapir [07:49] french toast nom nom nom ! [07:50] tc (n=tc@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) joined ##slackware. [07:51] oddsock (n=oddsock@tc-cutuk-net1-22.team.ba) left ##slackware. [07:51] oddsock (n=oddsock@tc-cutuk-net1-22.team.ba) joined ##slackware. [07:52] o.o GUI was invinted by commies? when was Xerox communist?! [07:53] tc (n=tc@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [07:55] etf (i=bd1f100f@gateway/web/freenode/x-df108aec7798a43b) joined ##slackware. [07:57] who is saying xerox is communist? [07:57] (idiotus) GUI is invented by Comunists [07:59] that red logo!!! [07:59] huuahhua [07:59] sounds like sensationalist crap opinion meant for shock value [08:00] ehy dudes, you're comunist!!! you've red t-shirts [08:01] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] bisco: actually we're leaning more towards socialism/marxist.. but meh.. [08:01] considering the greed and corruption found in capitalist societies i think some communism/socialism would do the usa some good [08:01] just one step away, right? D: [08:01] quasar: it was a joke :P [08:01] gates's communist [08:02] quasar: red hat is comunist... :D [08:02] Pig_Pen: yeah, because there's no green in places like North Korea AMIRITE? [08:02] bisco: red hat IZ RED DAMMIT! [08:03] greed* [08:03] north korea is a poor example of communism [08:04] lol [08:04] anericans are connunists, they just goot hideing the truth [08:04] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@81.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] (damn belgish keyboards) [08:07] quasar: do you know that I'm joking? :P [08:10] Nick change: IrquiM_ -> IrquiM [08:11] bisco: yes [08:11] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:15] Action: quasar wonders why his postmap .. isn't [08:15] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [08:16] http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5 here is a good example why you dont want christians in charge of a nation [08:17] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Pig_Pen: lol wow what a dumb reason. [08:23] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:24] Pig_Pen: actually, the source of that is a book.. Chirac has never publicly admited to ever having such a conversation.. [08:24] thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars & equipment over some ancient text that has no evidence to back it up, its crazy, makes me want to leave the usa for somewhere a little more sane - maybe canada [08:27] Pig_Pen: Mars? [08:27] lol the name of the book is even called "If you repeat it, I will deny" .. if I were in journalism I'd be looking for better sources than some author [08:28] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.90.56) joined ##slackware. [08:29] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:30] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.90.56) left irc: Client Quit [08:30] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:34] omg im fed of the this, i'm getting frequent changed ssl certifiate message from pop.gmail.com http://imagebin.ca/view/RtCZAGKC.html [08:34] is any one using pop from gmail? btw had asked this question before too [08:34] init[1]: yes [08:35] quasar: how frequent do you changed ssl thingie [08:35] s/you/you get/ [08:36] is it a legit ssl cert from gmail? i dont see what the problem is accepting a new one is [08:36] never [08:36] Pig_Pen: i have no idea,if that certificate is for true [08:36] er, well.. I haven't in a while [08:37] I'd be more bothered about the fact that Mozilla is STILL holding off on including CACert's root certificate in its distributions [08:38] I'm not sure I'd trust that certificate, name of signer isn't on it? signature status is uncheckable? .. expires in 2025? [08:38] i see a line i dont like: Signature status Uncheckable and the other one No Certificate issuer found [08:38] btw im using claws-mail [08:39] might i suggest a quick check of the IP you are resolving? [08:39] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:39] yeah, you better stick to using a web browser for accessing gmail [08:41] i guess my email client is stuck after i have accepted the certifiacte :/ [08:41] Pig_Pen: its PITA, to open up FF to check mails [08:42] init[1]: did you do the fetchmail update? [08:43] you open firefox up to surf the web dont ya? [08:43] quasar: no, i haven't touched fetchmail,i used it with mutt though [08:43] what about thunderbird? [08:43] Pig_Pen: TT heavy weight [08:44] i use seamonkey -mail for my ISP based email [08:44] even heavier [08:44] I have some problems with my wlan. Linux seems to detect the card but can't connect to wlan [08:44] this is the host name that my client is connected to rv-in-f109.google:pop3s [08:44] It's an atheros chipset [08:44] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.51) joined ##slackware. [08:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:45] Keiffer: What drivers are you useing? [08:45] ath9k [08:45] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:46] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.56) joined ##slackware. [08:47] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:48] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] Keiffer: Do you have your inet(I think) configured? [08:49] what is that? [08:50] How did you set the ESSID/KEY for your wlan? [08:50] <_budo> iwconfig [08:50] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] <_budo> do a 'man iwconfig' [08:51] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] would Keiffer benefit from using wicd ? [08:51] lf4 at iwconfig i don't get a ESSID key [08:51] <_budo> and i think almost all the information you need is in there [08:51] thanks _budo [08:53] <_budo> iwconfig wlan0 essid "" [08:54] <_budo> iwconfig wlan0 key [08:54] Action: init[1] aaaaaa. this is the 7 th time im accepting this pop.gmail ssl certificate thingie :/ [08:56] Anyone get on usenet? [08:56] xzwerm (n=xzwerm@174.3.169.84) joined ##slackware. [08:56] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.240.192) joined ##slackware. [08:57] i have not done usenet in years, and when i did i only did it for a short time until i got tired of playing whack a mole with the trolls and spam [08:57] xzwerm (n=xzwerm@174.3.169.84) left irc: Client Quit [08:58] Pig_Pen: For files or news? [08:59] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:59] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: "leaving" [08:59] It sais Device Not Managed [08:59] alt.os.slackware & linux [08:59] something like that [09:00] keiffer you have to jump through some hoops to get wifi working in slackware the old fashioned way, but there is a possible shortcut you can take = try wicd [09:01] long shot: anyone know where the message-id domain part is pulled from in postfix? [09:01] ok. thanks [09:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] thats what i would try, use wicd for now to get it up and running, then later take a good look at /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [09:02] plus /etc/resolv.conf for your ISP nameservers [09:03] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:03] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [09:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[09:20] James__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Hello, [09:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424180.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:22] I got a laptop with Slack 12.1 and Vista dual boot. Sometimes when I am in Vista and reboot and in Lilo select slackware it loads up but then it poweroff the laptop during start up. But if i start the laptop and first goto linux then there is no problem. What can cause this that after it has been in vista it power off? [09:22] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [09:23] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] deftunix (n=deftunix@host-78-14-86-241.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Nick change: Emeaudroide -> Nemeau [09:29] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [09:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:39] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [09:41] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [09:45] can some one save me from this,I'm getting changed ssl certificate from pop.gmail.com for the 10th time in last 30mins :/ [09:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5JjQuabB8 init[1] can you "Save Yourself" ? [09:48] Pig_Pen: seem like I'm now * init 1 * [09:49] Pig_Pen: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. [09:49] those evil copywriters [09:56] deftunix (n=deftunix@host-78-14-86-241.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [09:58] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Pig_Pen: seen them in concert a number of times, they're awesome :) [09:59] init[1]: do a host pop.gmail.com .. what ip address does it show? (I know it says it's an alias for blah blah blah) [10:02] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] quasar: http://baremetal.com/cgi-bin/dnsip?target=gmail-pop.l.google.com [10:03] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:06] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.80.171) joined ##slackware. [10:12] init[1]: is that what you're getting? [10:12] (that's not what I get.. I get 74.125.47.109) [10:12] you mean the host name ? [10:12] quasar: well i use opendns ? [10:12] does that contribute to the problem? [10:13] Action: quasar shrugs [10:13] I dont use opendns.. but from what I've heard about it, I dont want to either [10:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] quasar: what have you heard about it/ [10:13] any thing bad ? [10:13] http://whois-service.com/?quiet=1;stripheader=1;domain=209.85.201.109,seems like googles [10:15] dunno.. but I'd definitely try the 74 ip address in place of whatever you have in your email program for google's address.. just to see if you keep getting the cert error [10:15] quasar: ok, [10:16] quasar: i have hrd that each country have thier own googles main server etc [10:16] gotta go to the hardware & lumber store, everybody keep the hackers out of my PC ;p [10:16] Pig_Pen: cya soon [10:17] _ohm (n=research@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:17] could be.. but I'd still look for something other than a continual SSL error that keeps popping up.. [10:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.14) joined ##slackware. [10:18] quasar: seems like would have to give the ip instead of host name [10:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.148.88) joined ##slackware. [10:20] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "working on the computer." 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[10:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] quasar, requesting my assistance? man they must be DESPERATE 8-0 [10:42] Action: TwinReverb is just a long-time slackware linux user. that does not automatically make him a linux expert in any way [10:42] TwinReverb, from wich version ? [10:42] 9.0 [10:42] lol [10:43] I dont even remember what version of slackware was out when I first installed o.O [10:43] I remember it was 2 CD and 1 was source [10:43] me neither ... 3.2 or 3.3 [10:44] i think mine was 8.1 [10:44] or was it 7.1 :/ .. not sure.. didnt use it much but for messing around until 9 [10:46] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-168-251.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:46] man her laptop only has 256mb RAM [10:47] 8-O [10:47] Action: TwinReverb is going to have to trim some fat [10:47] way more than enough [10:47] 206MB free after boot :) [10:47] buy her more ram [10:49] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) joined ##slackware. [10:49] i don't have the money for that [10:49] Hello! [10:49] i'm going to have to trim her kernel at least [10:49] I am having trouble with starting x after upgrading my slackware 12.0 to 12.2 [10:49] much less she's going to be using Xfce [10:50] the problem seem to be something with libpixman [10:50] a: there's libpixman on 12.2? [10:50] which is gone, downloaded it and installed it, but still problem [10:50] TwinReverb: no [10:50] a: either way, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and run xorgsetup or xorgconfig [10:50] TwinReverb: but startx complaints [10:50] oki, will do [10:51] i've noticed that i always have to refresh xorg.conf between versions [10:51] even if it's known to be a good config [10:51] a: double check that you didnt just upgrade the pkgs you had.. but that you also installed the new packages [10:51] a: run "ldd /usr/bin/X" [10:51] see if anything comes up "missing" [10:52] if the error is about run-time libraries missing, your xorg.conf is not the issue [10:52] yes, it wants libpixman.. which is not available in 12.2 [10:52] yes, it is [10:52] as "pixman" [10:53] hmmm where in the slackware-tree [10:53] x/ [10:53] a: ^^ [10:53] my guess (ok, a pretty good guess), is that you did not install new packages, and only upgraded what you had installed [10:53] o/ [10:54] thrice`: I installed new packages [10:54] promise? :) [10:54] and then upgraded [10:54] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/slackware/x/pixman-0.12.0-i486-1.tgz [10:55] the odds of you missing just 1 seem pretty small, but *meh* [10:56] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@213.249.205.114) left irc: No route to host [10:56] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@82-46-78-218.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-31-109-177.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] changing startup scripts to preface each message with "I love you", sweet or not? [10:59] lovely [11:00] a: ps, how did you update your system? [11:00] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.52.79) joined ##slackware. [11:00] thrice`: using slackpkg [11:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.239) left irc: "Leaving." [11:00] ok, good :) [11:00] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.80.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:01] a: purely as a sanity check.. if you do a slackpkg update, then install-new, then upgrade-all, does it give you ANYTHING left to do, or do all return nothing? [11:02] what u mean with return nothing [11:03] like "I don't have anything to do!!" [11:03] there's always the last part , about what u want to do with the old configs [11:04] but yeah , as far as i know, there nothing more to do [11:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] i[q]=tolower(i[q]); [11:10] er.. wrong computer [11:10] hm strange [11:10] now X loads, but the mouse has stopped working (ibm thinkpad), tried also with my old xorg.conf [11:11] a: you've rebooted into the new kernel, right? [11:11] thrice`: yes [11:11] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.90.29) joined ##slackware. [11:11] aah, I know [11:11] run this command: [11:11] 2.6.27.7-smp [11:12] # rm -rf / (noooooooo!) :D [11:12] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] find /etc -iname "*.new" [11:13] I'm guessing that will return a /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.new or so [11:13] iname is surely unnecessary load. [11:13] omg, bloat :D [11:13] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.210.17) joined ##slackware. [11:14] thrice`: thank you, but nothing interesting there [11:14] do you have a psmouse.new ? [11:14] the princess is in another castle :-) [11:14] I have a psmouse [11:14] which says proto imps [11:15] ok; if you had psmouse AND psmouse.new, it would read both of them [11:15] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] oki [11:15] did you that commented out before? [11:15] I dont know if it's updated or not [11:15] if not, try commenting it out, and rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse [11:15] oki [11:16] thrice`: hooray! [11:16] profit? [11:16] yes, it isn't loaded properly because yeah,, I guess I kept the old rc.modules [11:16] neruda (n=guest@unaffiliated/neruda) joined ##slackware. [11:17] sup party ppl [11:17] which iso should i download if i want slack on a netbook? [11:17] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.210.17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:17] does it have an optical drive? [11:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.210.17) joined ##slackware. [11:18] nope [11:18] does it have a usb slot? [11:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424180.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] usb affirmative [11:18] :) [11:18] then I would recommend: the usb image [11:19] and particular install options i should use for a netbook? [11:19] netbook's aren't anything special :) [11:19] the install will be the same; you can tweak it afterwards [11:19] iananb but i disagree [11:19] iananb = i am not a netbook [11:19] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) left irc: "be back later" [11:19] lol [11:19] what do you think should differ? [11:20] just being smug [11:20] thx for your help [11:20] I would probably trim a couple sets out myself, but the kernel should handle it well [11:20] sets? [11:20] as in install pkgs? [11:20] sure, like kde/ :D [11:20] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:21] yep, i was thinking either xfce or fluxbox... [11:21] flux [11:21] Xfce if you can, flux if you must 8-) [11:21] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [11:21] then, when it prompts you during the install, I would un-check: kde/ (kde), kdei/ (translation files for kde), e/ (emacs only), k/ (kernel source), t/ (tetex) [11:21] ohhh [11:21] the gauntlet has been thrown [11:22] thrice`: fwiw i wouldnt chuck out the kernel source [11:22] task one would be recompile the kernel [11:22] lets hear it, ive never used flux or xfce [11:22] so im unbiased [11:22] why should i pick one over the other [11:22] Zordrak: sure, but if recompiling the kernel, latest-and-greatest would probably be best :) [11:23] thrice`: perhaps [11:23] neruda: xfce is probably best :) [11:23] if you need to compile modules against your kernel then you also need sources [11:23] better yet, slackware will install them both by default; try em both [11:23] neruda: xfce if you want form. flux if you want function [11:23] i think thrice is saying get the latest kernel src [11:24] zord: you make it sound mutually exclusive between form and function [11:24] i want something lightweith that isnt kludgy or fugly [11:24] personally, I would wait and install slackware 13 (or RC2) over 12.2 [11:24] ++ [11:25] tbh i would almost always pick 13rc2 .. its only maybe a few updates away from being 13 [11:26] saves a later huge upgrade from 12.2 [11:26] James__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [11:26] when's 13 supposed to be out? [11:26] only using 12.2 for the new mailserver because stability is the most important thing in the world to it [11:26] neruda: when it's out [11:26] but soon [11:26] gotcha [11:26] "when it's done." sounds like just documentation is the last thing to do [11:26] so inside of 60 days [11:27] ugh, what a horrid task that is. [11:27] evil: why/ [11:27] neruda: almost certainly [11:27] thrice`: do you know if any more hands are needed for that? [11:27] what's need for the docs? [11:27] neruda: well, coding = interesting, documenting = boring. [11:27] eviljames: no clue :) [11:27] evil: i dunno [11:27] i think docs can be fun [11:28] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [11:28] neruda: find your tab key.. then press it after typing evil [11:28] if coders are willing to talk to the doc ppl [11:28] zordrak: my ex gf stole my tab key [11:28] neruda: before January 1st 2015, I'm sure :) [11:28] I work in a small office - we don't have doc ppl :D [11:28] :P [11:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:28] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] what a crazy bitch, she took the ice cube trays too [11:29] points for whoever gets that reference [11:29] thrice`, that and fix k3b [11:29] bah.. k3b is unfixable [11:29] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] neruda: you think we don't know schwarzenegger? [11:30] its simultaneously the best and worst gui tool around [11:30] eviljames: lol [11:30] good job sir [11:30] neruda: well, he was the star, anyhow [11:30] close enough [11:30] who cares about tom arnold [11:31] TwinReverb: hey, the k3b guy has had about 2 years to port his app; slackware cannot wait for his lazy ass any longer! [11:31] spectre (n=Uganda@41.210.144.86) joined ##slackware. [11:31] thrice`, but it's part of slackware meaning maybe it should get moved to /extra again [11:31] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [11:31] tribeca (n=naitso@87.13.44.121) joined ##slackware. [11:31] you never know, it may end up being something silly [11:32] TwinReverb: thatd be my vote [11:32] hi [11:32] its just too broken for a release [11:32] there'd be a LOT that (I personally feel) shouldn't be included, but hey [11:32] quasar: sorry i didnt get the 2015 reference [11:32] isn't k3b that very nice coaster maker with the snazzy interface? [11:33] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [11:33] perhaps it will inspire more people to get involved and fix it [11:34] it is funny, how k3b went from being one of the best linux apps, to one of the worst :) [11:34] melinda (n=melinda@211.180.33.83) joined ##slackware. [11:34] lalala [11:34] ok, if you see this person online, remember, this is my friend who is a TOTAL COMPUTER IGNORANT PERSON [11:34] i installed Linux on her computer so that she could have something usable [11:34] (This is TwinReverb) [11:35] please be NICE to her and help her if you can [11:35] get off keybord TwinReverb ... let melinda talk :D [11:35] and be patient because she's totally clueless [11:35] hey, we're patient with you [11:35] i plan on doing a lot of help via ssh [11:35] you picked the right distrib to install for her it seems [11:35] no i just wanted to explain [11:35] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.97) joined ##slackware. [11:35] mancha: good one [11:35] i'm configuring the heck out of it to make sure it works [11:36] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:36] thx again for the help everyone [11:36] neruda (n=guest@unaffiliated/neruda) left ##slackware. [11:36] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [11:37] hello. my name is jimmy pop. [11:37] i set my systems up as close to Mac OS X as possible (in terms of how things are laid out, not how they look) [11:37] fag [11:37] i already set hers up to use only 3 fonts (liberation sans/serif/mono) in all applications (saves a small amount of memory) [11:37] :> [11:37] she needs all the help she can get, her system is 256MB RAM! 8-O [11:37] does it? [11:37] yes! 8-O [11:37] I guess if you uninstall the others [11:37] so Xfce for her [11:38] if not, I'd guess xorg still loads them [11:38] i try to convert an rpm package into .tgz with rmp2tgz tool, and notice that in slackware-current this tool don't work, but in slackware 12.2 with the same rpm file all is ok. you can download rpm file from http://tinyurl.com/nqfwp4. Thank and sorry for my english. [11:38] well she may need the fonts, so she needs the freedom, but otherwise that small step could save her some grief in terms of memory usage [11:38] tribeca: you will need to install the seamonkey-solibs package on -current [11:39] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [11:39] i put openoffice and skype on it, and i was worried i may bring her computer down that way lol [11:39] thrice`: seamonkey-solibs-1.1.17-i486-1 [11:40] tribeca: I can't find the RPM; the download I clicked on provides a .tar.gz [11:41] there's an rpm download and a tar.gz download [11:41] thrice`: http://tinyurl.com/mlsefp [11:42] rpm2tgz is merely a bash script, use your 12.2 one on current [11:42] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:42] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] morning [11:42] well, rpm2tgz works OK on the file here, but I have no clue if it's proper :) [11:43] thrice`: post an ls -lh [11:43] tnx [11:43] souphead (n=souphead@120.28.178.104) joined ##slackware. [11:43] ah, I see now [11:43] :) [11:43] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.188.90) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:43] looks like it only adds /usr/lib/ICAClient [11:44] there are only directory in it [11:44] without files :( [11:45] doesn't seem to work too well going with cpio, either [11:46] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [11:46] using: rpm2cpio < blah.rpm | cpio -imdv [11:47] http://slackwiki bring her computer down that way lol [11:47] sry [11:47] putty [11:47] thrice`: permission denied... [11:49] tribeca: ditto :) [11:50] :( [11:50] tribeca are you ny? [11:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ny? [11:51] nm [11:51] triangle below canal [11:52] sorry, but don't understand [11:52] ok [11:53] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "later" [11:55] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:56] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:58] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:58] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:00] melinda (n=melinda@211.180.33.83) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] tribeca, report the bug on rpm2tgz [12:03] or just don't use that program at all [12:03] mancha: mail to: PJV? [12:03] not sure where -current bug reports go, there's probably a doc in the distrib treeexplaining that [12:04] bug reports get mailed to pat [12:04] dont know why he doesnt use a tracker..maybe he has an internal one [12:06] a bugzilla would be a nice addition - the benefit to pat would be a limit on the number of duplicates as people can search the current buglist to see if its already been reported etc [12:07] my guess would be security, but I'm sure something could be worked out so that new bugs aren't shown until they're approved by someone [12:07] it also makes the whole bug reporting, bug resolution process more transparent [12:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:07] fail [12:07] "a bug tracker" "like bugzilla" "but probably a better one" [12:08] Action: Zordrak goes off to exercise his eyebrows [12:08] o_0 [12:09] what sort of exercise is that Zordrak ? 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[12:31] _strange_, after I rebooted the second time after upgrading the system couldn't find /bin/mount, /sbin/agetty, /bin/dmesg and such [12:31] I didnt remove any package after the first reboot [12:31] so very very strange [12:31] Zordrak: yea i get ya now [12:32] so I had to get myself a slackware live dist on an usb-disk, damn, this took time [12:34] a: instqll it manually frome that live cd on your rootfs [12:34] Howdy all. [12:34] yo agentc0re [12:34] oy [12:34] yo* [12:34] oui! [12:35] wintery: thing is your brain processes what to be typed ,before you complete [12:36] no, thing is that i haven't got a qwety keyboard [12:36] wintery: yes, thank you, already done, just cant understand how the files happened to be removed [12:37] agentc0re: sup foo' [12:37] Zordrak: Sup dude. how are things doing? [12:37] Are you working this weekend? [12:37] its mali server migration day [12:38] Egad! [12:38] What a wonderful way to spend your weekend... [12:38] im at work with 25 closed off, an old mail server off and a new one being migrated to.. currently doing a mailman archive rebuild :) [12:38] Zordrak: What did you migrate from? [12:38] exim on fedora core 3 [12:39] *shudder* [12:39] storing mail on randomly-seeded NFS directories no less [12:39] one home dir server dies and BAM mail server load hits over 50 [12:39] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) left irc: "leaving" [12:40] im so unbelievably glad to see the back of that POS [12:40] Zordrak: Good lord.... wow. Moved to postfix i'm assuming? [12:40] woot [12:40] postfix on 12.2 [12:40] Nice. [12:41] with amavisd-new/clamav/spamassassin/razor2(etc)/nolisting/greylisting etc [12:41] I use postfix as my secondary spam fighting box to get rid of any mailservers without PTR records and also have greylisting on there. [12:42] and fully integrated horde suite allowing users to set vacation msgs using a modified horde vacation module tying into a postfixadmin database :D [12:42] spamassassin is on my FW box. It's a built in feature of it, which is nice because i get to see stats of who gets the most spam and stuff. [12:42] Zordrak: are you just going to make them use the web UI? [12:43] for vacations yes (horde not pfa) [12:43] otherwise its mostly TB [12:44] You think they'll do good with the change? [12:44] or are they use to TB already? [12:44] job 1 when i got into this company was to kill ALL outlook installs no matter what it took [12:44] im 97% there [12:45] heheh [12:45] theres only a couple left [12:45] most use TB.. but im expecting a few to use horde/IMP a lot more than they used to use squirrelmail [12:45] nheco (n=nheco@200-102-205-170.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:47] agentc0re: fw box = pfsense? [12:47] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Zordrak: Untangle. [12:48] Zordrak: http://untangle.com [12:49] initial impression is overengineered.. like Groundwork Monitor Open Source is to Nagios [12:49] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Zordrak: It's not IMO. I love the software, it's freaking awesome. [12:50] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] works really well. [12:50] cool [12:50] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.51) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Basically does the same job as is done here.. but is spread over about 8 slack boxen here [12:51] I use it for my home fw/router as well. [12:51] heheh. [12:51] an useful pfsense's feature is the easy HA configuration [12:51] Zordrak: i get frequent changed ssl certificate from pop.gmail.com, now i guess its 20th time for past 1 hr [12:51] id like to run my own s/w for a home router.. but i dont have an ADSL2+ PCI card [12:51] any idea/ [12:51] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Action: Zordrak golf claps init[1] [12:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] agentc0re: whats the base OS? [12:54] Debbie i believe. [12:54] err debian. [12:55] shit-ian? :D [12:55] i spose thats to be expected [12:55] no, mum! I don't use debian! (it's a real fact) [12:56] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] Zordrak: The reports are nice. plus the ability to be able to block one person from websites during the day without having to much with their PC is awesome. [12:57] agentc0re: whyfor you cant do that with squid? [12:57] ignore me, im a software puritan [12:58] I know you could. But it's all on one box versus your 8 :P [12:58] so when one box shits out its power supply , most of the network is untouched :) [12:58] plus i remember tried to setup squid a few times to work with Active directory... And it was a PITA for me... but maybe i'm just stupid, i dunno. [12:58] speaking from PAINFUL experience [12:59] each to their own [13:00] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:01] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Yup. there are tons of ways to accomplish the same thing and it can vary on which way is the best from place to place. [13:01] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:01] before that box i did have squid setup and used a free web db to block a bunch of websites. [13:03] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [13:04] guys, you dont happen to know of any laptop with 2 esata ports, right? [13:04] i dont know any with 1 [13:04] Me either. That would be nice though. [13:05] bah.. ive yet tho encounter ANY disks with an esata port [13:05] *to [13:05] never even seen an esata cable [13:06] nachox : 2 sata? nope, but newer dell laptops have one [13:06] Zordrak : welcome to 2009 :) [13:07] just not had a use for it yet [13:07] esata cable is like sata, just longer and usually has a better shield. you also have two connector types: L and I [13:08] ananke, crap, i need 2, gathering forenscicis images through usb to sata connectors is very time consuming... [13:08] yay, finally figured out the certicate [13:08] nachox : i wonder if there are any sata/ide->firewire adapters. the only ones we've used/seen have been usb [13:09] init[1]: google? [13:09] damnnit... i forgot what the last step is... ive done the mailman migration.. but forgot how to get the lists to show up on the new server....... [13:09] Action: Zordrak goes off to do the sums [13:09] non blocking ssl,created the head ache [13:09] ah [13:09] alisonken1home: yes [13:10] what's the non-blocking part? [13:10] alisonken1home: my email client was configured to use non blocking ssl, [13:10] ah [13:10] i've never even heard of a non blocking ssl [13:10] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] been curious since I've never had any problems with google/gmail [13:11] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] agentc0re: even i too don't have any idea about that thing, but its feature with claws-mail, [13:11] hrmm. [13:11] i'll have to google it. [13:11] that may be checking for latest certicates etc or authority of certificates [13:12] Oh, what's that browser test that has different colored blocks.. i forget what it's called now. [13:12] if anything, it would be for non-blocking i/o communication over ssl [13:12] acid [13:12] currently at acid3 [13:12] alisonken1home: Ah, yes. thanks! [13:12] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) joined ##slackware. [13:12] acidchild had the same problem i guess [13:12] my upgrade problems continue... [13:13] now, the kernel can't find the audio chip it seems [13:13] agentc0re: http://www.acidtests.org/ [13:13] yey! good jerb FF... 71/100 all grey blocks. [13:13] lspci -vv doesnt view it [13:13] that links all three tests [13:13] a, what did you upgrade to? [13:13] and from? [13:13] and how? [13:14] err. nevermind, lspci can view it [13:14] but, alsa doesnt work [13:14] Woo.. yay for mailman scriptability [13:14] agentc0re: slackpkg, from 12.0 to 12.2 [13:14] a; did you run alsamixer? [13:14] agentc0re: yes, I tried [13:14] terrapin_ (n=unknown@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [13:15] what happens? [13:15] for i in $(./bin/list_lists -b); do ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $i;done [13:15] :D [13:15] Zordrak: nice. we ran mailman at my last job. I helped setup all the lists but i never installed it or did the backend work. [13:16] agentc0re: nothing unusual, but still sounds dont work [13:16] i have a whole internal wiki page dedicated to "Scripting and Fudgcing with Mailman" :) [13:16] agentc0re: I run "sudo amixer set Speaker unmute" [13:16] *Fudging [13:16] as usual, but something has fucked up the sound, I even tried to reinstall alsa packages, and run alsaconf again [13:16] a: if you tried, what happened? might need to rerun alsaconf. And in alsamixer you might wanna try to turn the volume up on everything to see if your master got set to a different device... i've seen it happen before. [13:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [13:17] hrad (n=a@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [13:17] agentc0re: the volume is already up, and the speakers are un-muted.... [13:17] a: amixer != alsamixer [13:17] ananke, nice,there are expresscards to esata adapters [13:18] a: are all of the channels unmuted as well? [13:18] agentc0re: yes, I have run both [13:18] hey, is it possible to set up WEP in rc.inet1.conf to be either open or shared ? [13:18] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [13:18] some settings will allow you to mute input channels without muting the output [13:18] a: k. Well try doing what i said. turn the volume up on all possible options in alsamixer to see if that effects your volume. [13:18] alisonken1home: yes [13:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-199639.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [13:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.146) joined ##slackware. [13:19] hrad: using wpa_supplicant.conf yes. [13:19] a: built-in speakers or external speakers plugged into the right output jack? [13:20] alisonken1home: built-in (thinkpad) [13:20] ah [13:20] agentc0re: yeah, maybe if I raise the volume of the mic the volume on the speakers will suddenly work, what do you think? [13:20] at first you need drivers to work [13:21] a: [13:21] a: Yup, try all the options. [13:21] a: i once had to raise the volume of Aux2 to hear anything. a Kernel upgrade fixed that problem though. [13:22] agentc0re: or realtek's driver's install as in my situation with 12.0 && 12.1 [13:23] $ mpg123 /data/music/*.mp3 [13:23] ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' [13:23] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [13:23] agris: I am very certain it is not the alsamixer that is the problem [13:23] a: alsaconf was run? [13:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] a:, what was the slak version. i didn't get it [13:24] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-238-148.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] terrapin (n=unknown@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] and if you tp has intel hda, probably fastest answer is to download driver from realtek hp and install it [13:25] is /etc/modprobe.d new from 12.0 to 12.2? [13:25] nooo, intelhd is supported in the kernel [13:25] a: yes [13:26] thrice`: now it is [13:26] it was in 12.2 also [13:26] in 12.0 and 12.1 it didn't worked for me [13:26] hmmmm how are the files in /etc/modprobe.d loaded [13:26] modprobe of course ;) [13:26] the stock 12.2 kernel doesn't support it very well... i had to update to a 2.6.29.X kernel on my netbook that has the intelhd in order for sound to work correctly. [13:27] module-init-tools checks for module options in modprobe.d/.conf while loading modules [13:28] well, on 12.2, but .conf on newer [13:28] thrice`: thank you [13:29] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) left irc: "til next time =)" [13:30] i think i might go down the upgrade road today. Probably do a fresh install of 13rc2. thrice`, you've been using slack64 right? [13:30] actually, i had problems with slackpg to ugprade to rc2 x86 [13:31] had to do it twice - it showd mdsum mismatches after upgrading slackpkg [13:31] *first time [13:31] agentc0re: I have, both on my workstation , and on the laptop. [13:32] ttyX (n=ttyX@59.178.195.175) joined ##slackware. [13:32] hola slackers ;) [13:33] good quote from an IE developer at MS: [13:33] "The support of ratified standards (that Web developers) can use is something that we are extremely supportive of," said Amy Barzdukas, general manager for IE, in a July interview. "In some cases, it can be premature to start claiming support for standards that are not yet in fact standards." [13:33] BP{k}: what have you done for 32bit lib's? or do you not use anything that's 32bit only? [13:33] slamd64 compat library [13:34] last I checked, fred's been working with pat on that one [13:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [13:34] i wonder if itll end up in /extra [13:34] alisonken1home: i was just on slamd64's page, but didn't see anything about it so i had assumed that fred hadn't worked on them yet. [13:35] they are in slamd64 repo [13:35] slamd64 webpage is a little behind :) [13:35] slamd64's c/ will NOT work on slackware64 [13:35] but, fred did some that will work on slack64 :> [13:36] agentc0re: yep; as BP{k} hinted at, it's quite solid :) [13:36] http://slamd64.he.net/slamd64-current/slamd64/c/ [13:36] those wont [13:36] er [13:36] those won't work on slack64 [13:37] I just noticed the date on them [13:37] Zordrak : this weekend we're finally pulling the plug on rt2 :) [13:37] http://slamd64.he.net/slackware64-current/ [13:37] you need those in fact ^ [13:37] thrice`: Oh i'm never worried about that with slack, just curious about the 32bit stuff is all. just wondering what troubles you may have run into with them being gone. I didn't know about the slamd64 compat libs.. i knew they were being worked on just didn't know they actually existed. [13:38] agentc0re i just pasted link for them, thats it, it works rather nice [13:38] yep, they are on some slamd64 mirrors under "slackware64-current". checkout the link capone just posted for example [13:38] capone: that's the link I provided was -current|c packages [13:38] capone: I appreciate that. thank you. [13:38] alisonken1home: look once more :p [13:38] capone: dang colors on this client :) [13:39] thanks [13:39] he he [13:39] ttyX (n=ttyX@59.178.195.175) left ##slackware. [13:39] clicked on the wrong link [13:39] i can confirm they work real good, i need it for skype (doh) and after i installed them, slackware skype 32bit 12.2 package works like a charm, even video and everything [13:40] hopefuly they include 32bit libs in 13.0 under /extra, it really makes the difference for 32bit apps [13:41] I've got a script for syncing slackare-current, slamd64-current, and slamd64/slackware64-compat, so keep forgetting about the proper link [13:41] not in /extra as of yesterday [13:41] :/ [13:43] ananke: \o/ [13:43] duh - [slackware | slackware64]-current and slamd64-current/slackware64-compat [13:43] ananke: and about frigging time :) [13:43] giuppy (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] ananke: wont be all that long till 4 debuts [13:43] anyone know of a way to tell iptables not to resolve hosts when doing iptables -L ? [13:44] Zordrak : hopefully, the migration will be easier :) [13:44] terrapin_ (n=unknown@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] ananke: for the amount of time its taken you to get off rt2 - id start worrying now :) [13:44] nm, I got it [13:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Zordrak : you know what was the biggest show stopper? slackware. [13:46] ananke: just please tell me youve gone to 3.8.4 noh 3.6.7 ... [13:46] ananke: lolwhy? [13:46] we used a hacked custom NIS->PAM->mod_auth [13:46] Action: Zordrak shudders [13:46] yeah, it's 3.8.4. [13:47] rt2? [13:47] how do i find if a specific option has been compiled into my kernel (built in or module)? [13:47] Chakravanti : got any specifics? [13:47] agentc0re|work, request tracker [13:47] CONFIG_MAC80211 [13:48] ananke: Ah. I was thinking that, but wasn't sure. [13:48] Zordrak: what's wrong with 3.6.7? [13:48] Chakravanti, zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_MAC80211 [13:48] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] .. I know i'm running an older version because when i started configuring it i got side tracked with shit that broke and haven't touched it since.. [13:48] dive : ever heard of zgrep? :) [13:49] I'm now abusing zcat [13:49] as well as cat [13:49] thanks [13:50] Chakravanti, ananke is correct zgre CONFIG_MAC80211 /proc/config.gz [13:50] erm [13:50] zgrep CONFIG_MAC80211 /proc/config.gz [13:51] agentc0re: nothings *wrong* with it per se [13:51] agentc0re: its just really out of date and hard to support [13:51] i no longer really support it for RT::Authen::ExternalAuth [13:51] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.210.17) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:52] Zordrak: Ah, gotcha. [13:52] plus its an ugmo :) [13:52] Action: agentc0re needs to update probably. [13:52] agentc0re: ++ [13:53] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] checking to see my version now... stand by for hilarity. [13:54] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Action: Zordrak guesses 3.6.3 [13:54] or 3.6.1 [13:54] Nick change: Rich^ -> Richlv [13:55] nema_veze (n=beker@212.200.219.133) joined ##slackware. [13:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:56] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [13:59] i have no config.gz file [13:59] in/proc/ [13:59] custom kernel? [13:59] no [13:59] strange [14:00] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:00] are you sure you're on slackware? :| [14:00] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] well the computer i'm workign on is on DSL [14:00] cool [14:00] but i'm tryign to figure out if i need to recompile the kernel or not [14:01] and if so, how to do that from slackware [14:01] (this computer) [14:01] what does cat /proc/config.gz say? [14:01] there is no config.gz file [14:01] /proc/config.gz will only exist if the person who compiled the kernel adds support for it. Slackware does, DSL must not [14:01] did you build your kernel [14:02] no [14:02] yeah just getting around to ask that [14:02] im trying to find outif i need to [14:02] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-90-157.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [14:02] Chakravanti, you might find a config in /boot perhaps [14:02] /boot is about your only other option/chance [14:02] there are four kernels available in a stock slackware-12.2 install, do all of them have a config.gz ? [14:02] other than that lsmod might show it [14:03] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.15.108) joined ##slackware. [14:03] or modprobe -l [14:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:03] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-52-241.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] brb [14:03] Pig_Pen, yes. [14:03] Check CD1/DVD [14:05] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) joined ##slackware. [14:05] audio problem solved! [14:05] Zordrak: 3.8.2 [14:05] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] from slackware 12.0 to 12.2, I guess the /dev/dsp and /dev/audio is set to only be used by audio group [14:06] so it screwed up my rights to use the device, THAT was the problem [14:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] I didnt want to overwrite the /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and /etc/group ..... [14:07] ? [14:08] agentc0re: \o/ [14:09] Zordrak: Not as old as i though. :P [14:10] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:11] nowhere near [14:11] okay [14:11] its almost considered current :) [14:11] i think i have to compile a kernel [14:12] Greetings everyone. :) [14:12] hello fire|bird [14:12] Action: agentc0re hates server 2000 [14:12] hey agentc0re, how's it going? [14:12] i can't wait to upgrade.. [14:12] terrapin (n=unknown@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [14:12] fire|bird: doin okay, yourself? [14:12] agentc0re: doing great, thanks. [14:13] agentc0re: dont get excited.. its only bugfixes from there :) [14:13] fire|bird, hi [14:13] fire|bird: Actually i'm doing super considering how much i drank last night.. My tells me this morning that all of a sudden i just decided to lay down and i instantly fell asleep.. [14:13] hey dive, how are you? [14:13] lol [14:13] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [14:13] fire|bird, not so bad thanks, yourself? [14:13] agentc0re: haha [14:13] Zordrak: heh. fair enough. [14:13] dive: doing great, thanks. [14:14] lawl.. i just got an email to root@ with a "could not send message for past 4 hours".. about an email to root@ [14:16] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:16] This patch says it's for linux kernel 2.6.9, but i don't know if i want to use 2.6.9 or do i have much of a choice if i want this kernel patch? [14:17] Chakravanti, what's the patch for? It's possible that a later kernel doesn't need it. [14:18] http://www.krizka.net/2007/08/17/belkin-f5d7050-wireless-usb-stick-and-linux/ [14:18] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Chakravanti, I don't see a patch on that page, just a kernel module. It ought it work whatever kernel you are using. [14:21] Zordrak: NICE! heheh. [14:21] yeah but if i dont have to rebuild a kernel i'd like to just get this thing working [14:21] the driver page says 2.6.24+ kernels have the driver [14:22] oNaiPs (n=root@bl15-65-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Chakravanti, what is output of uname -r [14:22] Chakravanti: if your usb stick has fake cd function, you have to disable it [14:22] i believe [14:23] 2.4.31 [14:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:23] what is output of modprobe r73? [14:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:25] heh, I guess my connections gonna suck again today. :P [14:25] get a new connection [14:25] hi, sorry to bother, is out there any kde 4.3 unoff package? [14:26] nope [14:26] oNaiPs: no [14:26] nope [14:26] build it yourself [14:26] or ask fire|bird to build it for you [14:26] Chakravanti, nope meaning module not found? [14:26] haha [14:26] yeah [14:26] was about to clarify [14:26] supergear: I already built it for myself. :P [14:26] lol [14:26] then looks like recompile time :-) [14:26] fire|bird, you should share [14:26] Hi fire|bird :) [14:26] hey fredoslack [14:26] Hi everybody [14:27] OMG HI fredoslack [14:27] Chakravanti, make sure you add in support for config in /proc [14:27] Hi supergear [14:27] supergear: It only took about 5-6 hours here. You can build it yourself. :P [14:27] hi fredoslack [14:27] bbiab [14:27] Hi dive =) [14:27] fire|bird: have you built slack pkgs? [14:27] well [14:27] fire|bird, naw, i'd mess it up some how [14:27] i've began to think it might just be easier to strip down slackware and install that [14:28] it's an old machine, celeron 400mgz, 32mb ram, [14:28] 4gig HD [14:29] i think i'll make the txz packages after dinner, then i'll share them to you [14:30] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [14:30] hello [14:30] happy saturday :) [14:30] dinner is like 6 hours away [14:30] i'm from portugal :P it's 19.30 here [14:31] http://failblog.org/2009/08/04/magnetic-resonance-fail/ [14:31] could you imagine being the one on the bed? [14:31] Chakravanti, have a read of this: http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System and let us know how you get on [14:31] thanks! [14:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.47) joined ##slackware. [14:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:36] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [14:39] http://imgfave.lg1x8.simplecdn.net/image_cache/1244606246702288.jpeg [14:40] antiwire, nice [14:40] antiwire: LOL [14:41] definition of ambition [14:45] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:47] dive, Sarkozy =) [14:48] :( [14:48] ? [14:48] he is my president [14:48] yes.. is he still drunk? [14:49] dive, i don't know :) [14:49] i want to own my own datacenter [14:49] 100K sq feet [14:49] is fine iwth me [14:49] nice to see a drunk president now and again [14:49] i think this will be better [14:50] dive, i would prefer Obama :( [14:50] right.. done for today.. finish tomorrow [14:50] night [14:50] fredoslack, that's a point that many americans would argue about [14:50] Zordrak, nn [14:50] what's a point [14:50] that they'd prefer obama ? [14:51] fparra (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] nheco (n=nheco@200-102-205-170.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:51] jeev, well I have seen many opinions that say they don't [14:51] i dont think americans have a right to prefer anything, they're too stupid.. most still believe obama was born in a different country [14:51] fparra (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] opinions coming from americans is like asking my toenail for it's opinion [14:51] tribeca (n=naitso@87.13.44.121) left irc: "Bye" [14:51] they just say what fox news lies to them about [14:51] but anyway, let's not go into politics, let's just talk about drunk presidents ;-) [14:52] like drunk? [14:52] what do you think bush drank last night [14:52] jeev, is there a problem? [14:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:52] Action: jeev looks around and doesn't see a problem [14:52] are you insisting that there's a rpoblem ? [14:52] problem ? [14:52] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:52] fparra (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] i see generalizations like "i dont think americans have a right to prefer anything, they're too stupid.." as a problem [14:53] nachox, do you live in america? [14:53] thought so [14:54] get fox news, watch it.. look at all the lies they say [14:54] i dont live in the us [14:54] hey, im not even 100% behind obama but i'm fucking tired of seeing assholes lie [14:54] i live in argentina [14:54] nachox, fox news and their goons are lying to the public and the public is believing it [14:54] that's why i insist that americans are stupid [14:54] jeev, and what makes you think it's any different somewhere else? [14:54] there are people saying that, "if we adopt the healthcare plan then old people will die" [14:54] and from what i hear, republican congressman and shit are saying it [14:55] nachox, people are stuipid everywhere but with an american's ego, it's exponentially worse here [14:55] jeev, that points to the wrongdoings o the mass-media rather than the gullibility of the people [14:55] because americans think that they're gods gift to humanity [14:55] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:55] jeev: not all americans buy that bullshit [14:55] fire|bird, wb [14:55] the only thing americans are are a tool for republican politicians [14:55] Chakravanti, i know. [14:55] dive: thanks. This connection sucks. :P [14:55] please, stop with the generalizations. that is not true, and they dont belong here [14:55] but even watching 50% of them yelling at town hall meeting is sad [14:56] dive: and there's bad weather headed this way. A tornadic storm and baseball size hail. [14:56] republicans are such dirty players that they dont even want their country to get better, they just want to win [14:56] republican vs. democrat is a rediculous argument [14:56] fire|bird, go outside and open your mouth.. lets hope one hits you!! [14:56] your mom's a dirty player [14:56] fire|bird, ouch [14:56] democraps are terrible too [14:56] imho...take it to ##Slackoffstopic [14:56] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [14:56] dive: indeed. [14:56] thrice`, your mom cleaned me last night after i shat myself when i noticed she didn't shave her muff [14:56] or #politics [14:56] fparra_ (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] its not so much democrat VSs republican, its a class war = rich against poor [14:57] yea piggy [14:57] how sweet :< [14:57] jeev, it' enough [14:57] she gave me your old baby clothes (for 200 lb people) [14:57] fparra (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [14:57] ID: Troll [14:58] Chakravanti, whoever uses the world troll is someone who's confused [14:58] fparra_ (n=fparra@71-222-243-140.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] you have nothing else to say but a troll [14:58] ID: Troll@*!* [14:58] right there where you belong, now i cant see anything youre saying [14:58] i have things to say [14:58] so thrice` .)) [14:58] but they're off topic in this channel [14:58] aren't you working today ? [14:58] kjsdjksd (n=sdkjfhas@adsl-76-235-38-55.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] like most of what you type [14:59] work? saturday?? heavens no [15:00] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:01] hmm [15:01] rich vs poor = always wins poor. only minus - then poor becomes rich [15:02] man i dont have a problem with rich people, they deserve if it they're doing it legitly and something good for humanity [15:02] but most people got their riches by stealing [15:02] the only thing i oppose is profitting off people's health [15:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-55-82-255-181-97.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] why not? doctors work is mostly stressful [15:05] you think the doctors get as much as the insurance companies? [15:05] insurance companies barely pay the doctors [15:05] some doctors are greedy they'll make you reliant on medicine to get your business continually [15:06] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] but doctors are profiting off of the health of others so by your statement you oppose the work of doctors? [15:06] you can try and be not insured :) and pay for yourself when needed. Actually, I don't know how it is in US. Here it's still very comfortable for user to be insured [15:07] antiwire, put me on ignore please [15:07] what about surgeons? you oppose the work of surgeons who fix broken bones or heart failures? [15:07] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [15:07] i'll do the same to you, you could go lie to anyone else [15:07] obviously you're too stupid to understand anything [15:07] It's interesting how you resort to name calling [15:07] agris, a lot of people in the US who are insured end up filing bankruptcy because of their copays [15:07] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: No route to host [15:07] you're looking at 20-50% copay [15:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] well, europe rules then :) [15:08] so older people who spend 500$/month insuring themselves, if they do any damage, lets say 60k-100k worth of work, they're dropping a lot of monies after [15:08] yea, i mean you get the pros and cons of the two area's [15:08] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:08] US, you can lie, cheat steal and not pay taxes [15:08] EU it's a little bit more difficult and a higher tax rate [15:08] my company, with about 130 people, pays ~ $1.5M to our 2 insurance companies, just for our health care [15:08] isn't that crazy thrice`? [15:09] is it a good plan? [15:09] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] good, sure, nothing better than anyone else, though [15:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] a (n=a@nl-219-248.netlogon.liu.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:09] it's nuts how overpriced it is [15:09] who'd insure you ;D [15:09] yea it is [15:09] but do you hae a copay or is everything covered [15:09] i got a decent plan.. [15:09] everything is covered 100% if i'm in network [15:10] I have a small co-pay to see the doctor, like $15 or so. otherwise, 90% coverage on most major stuff [15:10] cool [15:10] i can choose yearly insurance plan. this year i've got express instead of platinum last year just because i cannot reuse all the money what was paid on doctors [15:10] 1.5 m annual eh [15:10] yep [15:10] 11538.461538 [15:10] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.15.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] about 1k month per employee [15:10] how old are you thrice? [15:10] 78 ? [15:11] 24 [15:11] thougt so [15:11] O.o [15:11] aint nobody at 24 costing health insurance companies 1000/month [15:11] that's called robbery [15:11] omg, it kind of sux to live in US this way [15:11] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-227.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] hey, it's uncontrolled, why not? [15:11] agris, yea.. what do you think i talk about all the time [15:11] you have to be a corporate cow to have good insurance and once you lose your job [15:11] 500-1000$ per month.. g [15:11] bi bi insurance! [15:12] so, what does my company? Jack up our prices on the stuff we make [15:12] sad [15:12] but i guess there's a girl for every weird looking dildo you guys produce thrice` [15:12] what can i say [15:12] there's a reason why they give you good insurance, you're the test dummy! [15:12] migrate to EU :P [15:13] agris, you sure you want all that stupid people traffic ?? [15:13] you swore you wouldn't tell [15:13] though here's is work crisis [15:13] work crsisis here too [15:13] and the idiot fox news moronsj ust keep talking shit, i mean give me a break, if you dont want to blame bush, then blame clinton [15:13] my state is over 15% unemployment! [15:13] it's 8 years of bullshit and you wat obama to clean it up in 5 months [15:13] i hope everyone related to fox news dies [15:13] bbiab [15:13] bad/poor business practices are usually one of the reasons why they have to jack up prices on theyre products because they have made poor decisiions on other aspects for the employee's. and those are the companies that dont usually involve the employees in and changes. [15:15] ;) read today Obama says he saved US economy in these 6 months. in the same article above was statistics - expenses grows, income looses :) [15:15] the companies that happens at: The ones that form the corporate infrastructure as a inside triangle scheme [15:15] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:18] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:18] afternoon [15:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] jmoncayo (n=steven@190.152.110.191) joined ##slackware. [15:21] hi guys, does anyone here has installed clamav with amavis? [15:21] me - not on slack [15:22] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:22] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-124-120-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [15:22] specktater (n=speck@76.197.3.140) joined ##slackware. [15:23] agris: where you had? [15:23] ubuntu - postfix amavis +clamav +..... [15:23] i am having a trouble [15:23] jeev: (late to post, I know) - isn't hawaii a different coumtry? :) [15:24] hi guys, even thought i added the user clamav to the amavis group, and made sure the allowsupplementarygroups yes, is in the clamd.conf i keep getting this in the logwatch -- (!!)WARN: all primary virus scanners failed, considering backups: 315 Time(s) (!)ClamAV-clamd av-scanner FAILED: CODE(0x9edfa10) unexpected , output="/var/amavis/tmp/amavis-20090807T000001-25376/parts: lstat() failed: Permission denied. ERROR\n" at (eval 100) line 594.: 20 Time( [15:24] (about obama born in a different country) [15:24] jmoncayo: "Permition denied"? where? :) could you check [15:25] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] alisonken1home: till now i thought that US has the law that US president can be one which grandparents had born in US :) [15:25] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-124-120-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) left irc: Client Quit [15:25] kind of from 90ies.. don't know exact source [15:25] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] when i tried to do a slocate search i got this ould not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db how do i create one ? [15:26] man locate [15:26] agris: how can i check where? i suppose to /var/amavis/tmp/amavis-* [15:26] Nick change: fire|bird1 -> fire|bird [15:26] agris: they have to be natural-born, not naturalized - so parents that imigrate and the kid's born here should be ok [15:27] oh, so that's why anyone outside Obama family haven't seen his birth certificate :D [15:28] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.92.69) joined ##slackware. [15:28] :) [15:29] anyway, who knows... we thought our present president will be total failure.. but look.. still sits after year and so [15:29] heh, the storm is about here. The leading edge is about 18 miles away. [15:29] specktater (n=speck@76.197.3.140) left ##slackware ("Quit"). [15:30] tooly (n=tooly@e178138225.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:30] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-250-15-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [15:31] bbl [15:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). 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[15:47] lol [15:48] slackware 9.1 works even on 16 :) [15:49] ergh, too much beer for this evening [15:49] what kernel for 9.1? [15:49] i need 2.6.27+ [15:49] 2.4.somthing [15:49] oh [15:49] yeah [15:49] i think maybe i'm just gonna do LFS [15:50] i only want a tiling xwm, x11, audio, pdf, irc, & tin tin [15:51] i'm probably gonna recompile a 2.4 with the patch i need instead [15:51] as far as i can read right now, slack 12.2 installs even on 16 rams [15:51] so [15:52] wertferrtey (n=root@77.90.71.51) joined ##slackware. [15:53] why do i get kernel panic then? [15:54] initr.d out of ram [15:57] Nick change: wertferrtey -> Techtronic [15:58] probably you don't have to choose default hugesmp kernel then? [15:59] oNaiPs (n=root@bl15-65-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] is there gonna be a term of 13.0 release ? [16:01] has anybody asked this question already ? [16:01] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.51) left ##slackware. [16:01] you can preorder it on slackware site :) [16:01] so, not so far far [16:02] i just had bacon & eggs with fried taters & toast with jam for supper, had to cook for myself with wife's day off [16:03] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Pig_Pen, a tuna sandwish for me [16:05] ;) [16:06] what's a sandwish? [16:06] where you get sand thrown at you? [16:06] :P [16:07] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [16:10] agris, if it wasn't more than a one day wage of a programmer in my country I would preorder it :) [16:11] think of it as a lot people worked for it more than just one day :P [16:11] juice2, lool [16:11] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:12] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] any clue why slackware is the only system I have that doesnt identify its host name to the network? For instance, I cant use "ssh myhostname" from another machine, I have to use "ssh 192.168.1.123" [16:14] Duzchip (n=david@c83-250-143-45.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Heya [16:15] stealth-: i think you must set it in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 or the conf [16:15] It really is too bad that Slackware doesn't have a mini-network-installation-iso available [16:15] stealth-: because you don't have a local dns server running? [16:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] or put your slackware machnie's hostname in your machine's /etc/hosts file? [16:16] oh, okay then. Thanks guys :) [16:16] nheco (n=nheco@200-102-205-170.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:18] LnxSlck: i like tuna, i like to slice up onion and sweet pickle real small and mix it in on my sandwishes [16:18] any new software on 13rc2? [16:18] Pig_Pen, so do i [16:18] new kernel? [16:19] i meant stuff that was not there in any way before.... [16:19] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [16:19] so a diff between 12.2 filelist and -current filelist [16:20] just newer versions of things, most notably kde-4.2.x [16:20] oh yeah - and kde4.2 :) [16:21] i think xorg is build with hal as a dependency so i am not sure how well X will run without hal, i guess i will find out when its released because i wont install dbus & hal (probably roll my own kde) [16:21] why would xorg have hal? i would like to rsync the rc2 but forgot how to do that without getting kicked off the server [16:22] someone in here mentioned it [16:23] rsync -av --delete --log-file=${logfile} --bwlimit=${LIMIT} rsync://${site}/${basedir}/${version} ${saveto} <-- with bwlimit set to 512K for my system [16:23] so, it is just the 'a' flag that servers want? [16:23] and I use slackware.mirrors..tds.net [16:23] bwlimit helps so you don't overload the bandwidth [16:25] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] http://pastebin.ca/1522216 <-- script I use [16:27] i will look at that [16:27] nheco (n=nheco@200-102-205-170.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [16:27] it syncs slackware/slackware64 currrent and creates a dvd image, and also d/l the slamd64/slackware64-compat32 libraries [16:28] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:29] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.183.57) joined ##slackware. [16:32] happycamper (n=happycam@g225103178.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:33] run it from /home (after creating a slackware-current, slackware64-current, and slamd64-compat in /home - or modify the script) writable by your login), then you can update in the background and it logs the rsync output [16:34] alisonken1home, that hawaii comment was funny [16:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3ZgN8onRA [16:34] that's thrice` in the morning [16:34] he goes to a classroom and sings/plays it and comes on irc [16:35] hah [16:35] i do not know what you mean 'i can update in the background' [16:36] you're not workin today alisonken1home ? [16:36] dchmelik: "cd /home ; ./rsync-slack-current.sh >rsync.out 2>&1 &" [16:36] oh yeah... so it shows the output [16:37] sorry - I have that script in /home/slackware so my directory structure is /home/slackware -> [slackware-current | slackware64-current |slamd64-compat] [16:38] there's two outputs - the console and the *.log file for each one [16:38] Nick change: yesyes_ -> yesyes [16:38] i would put it in /home/natural_sci/ [16:38] since this is my home machine, I like it where it is :) [16:39] ex: the log file "rsync-slackware-current.log" contains the files that changed, and the output of the script is the output of rsync and the dvd file creation part [16:39] anyone use vi? how can i go from the first column on one line to the rightmost column on the line above? i know i go do k $ but is there just one command, or a way i can do it using the arrow keys/key shortcuts? [16:40] s/go/can [16:41] yesyes: :map q k$ then the q key works [16:41] since I use a bandwith limit of 512, it can take a while to sync a blank tree, but I can leave it overnight and have a dvd iso of both slackware and slackware64 ready to burn [16:42] press escape just in case you are in command mode so you can navigate your document/text [16:42] happycamper: ah, you're a gent. thank you. [16:42] np [16:45] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] scrote (n=Bob@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] hiya [16:46] hiya [16:46] http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/photos/linux.jpg [16:46] not sure if this is worth sharing http://pastebin.ca/1522233 self-documenting [16:46] heya [16:47] scrote: eh? [16:47] good one o the linux picture [16:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Duzchip: you can find mini ISO images for several Slackware releases, here: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [16:49] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:50] hah, nice pic scrote. [16:50] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] mini iso? cool [16:51] alisonken1home. i do not see why you have a basedir variable and then re-state it in the DVD making function.... [16:51] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] it's a check to verify if you forget|don't pass a base directory as option 2, it defaults to the base directory of what's there [16:52] oh, neat [16:53] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [16:53] the line just before that uses ${basedir} - so if ${basedir} is blank, then the dvd iso file is created in / rather than where you may want it [16:53] s/before/after/ [16:53] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [16:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:54] ok... also i thought you meant it creates directories for each archive in the basedir, but i do not see how it does that... so it does not really download everything straight into the basedir? [16:56] it doesn't create the ${basedir}/${version} directory, but rsync will create the structure under that [16:57] the options to rsync basically tell it "recreate the directory from the remote site - deleting files that are not on the remote and d/l the new/changed files that are on the remote" [16:58] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [16:58] the script ${basedir}/${version} directory is not created, no [16:58] yeah, i just tried it out and i will have to make another folder in my own basedir [17:00] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-227.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] the reason I use /home/slackware as the base is "slackware" is obvious, but /home is a separate partition/drive on my setup [17:01] yeah... i have a lot of stuff in my ~ [17:01] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [17:02] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] i have folders like all the Slackware & SBOpkg series ones in my source directory [17:04] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-238-148.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] I have sbopkg using /home/sbo for package building [17:05] because if you categorize any other source or related files you have to do it the right way--the Slackware way [17:05] the wife seems to like to put junk in my ~, so I try to keep the good stuff elsewhere [17:06] uva (i=bno@118-168-237-111.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] ajaxplorer = whoa [17:08] doesn't sound good :) [17:09] oh.. its freakin' awesome [17:09] it's the "...xplorer" part I'm focused on :) [17:09] hehe not what you think [17:09] ajax based file browser [17:09] pretty good control too [17:09] Dominian, link? [17:10] dive: http://www.ajaxplorer.info/wordpress/ [17:10] I have a test install of it on my box right now [17:10] its giving me an idea :D [17:10] hey Dominian, how's it going? [17:10] alisonken1home: i set your script to download where i want and entered the command that i thought would show me the progress, but the console where i typed it is blank... must i just 'tail rsync,out' or something? [17:11] dive: The storm is over. :P [17:11] anyone in here understand sweedish? [17:11] fire|bird: goin good.. just testing something [17:11] dchmelik: chmod? [17:11] dchmelik: what was the command you used? [17:11] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:11] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] anyone in here understand *swedish? [17:11] fire|bird, ok, still waiting for ours but it never came.. [17:12] hello [17:12] Pig_Pen: I'm part scandinavian, but don't know much swedish. [17:12] alisonken1home, i did not use chmod, i sis 'rsync-slack-current.sh >rsync.out 2>&1 &"' [17:12] i mean 'i did' [17:12] ('s' is right next to 'd') [17:12] dive: heavy rain and marble size hail here, no baseball size like the other town got. :P [17:13] this TV commercial is supposed to be disturbing to the swedish but i dont see anything disturbing about it, maybe if i understood the language http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4R1JMXFAg4 [17:13] sidmario (n=xxx@201-95-72-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:13] the & tells bash to background the task, the "> rsync.out 2>&1" part redirects the console out/error out to file "rsync.log"" [17:13] ok, i will tail it then [17:13] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest80560 [17:13] did you not mean it redirects to rsync.out? [17:14] dchmelik: if you don't have chmod +x on the script, it won't work unless you do some bash hack as well [17:14] well i have it set up right [17:14] but you said rsync.out and then rsync.log [17:14] ok - "rsync.out" :) [17:15] in the tail manpage i do not see the switch to keep the tail on the screen [17:15] i had a PPP script do that once [17:15] tail -f [17:16] ok, i recall that now [17:16] it is too bad they do not still have that old TLDP script in the TLDP [17:19] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-52-241.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [17:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:21] TLDP? [17:21] the Linux documentation project [17:22] ah [17:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] its quite outdated these days, those howtos and minihowtos were at a time the bible [17:22] lagann_ (n=agon@71.233.170.212) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] I've found they're still usable for a starting point [17:24] Duzchip (n=david@c83-250-143-45.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [17:26] Guest80560 (n=xxx@201-95-72-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:26] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] KidneyBeans (n=user@196-209-169-253-wbs-esr-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [17:27] any chance of kde 4.3 showing up in rc3 ? or release ? [17:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [17:28] nope [17:28] no [17:28] it'll probably be a post-13 update [17:28] (in -current) [17:28] 13.1-current update [17:28] right [17:29] it'll be in -current at some point [17:29] im tired of how dists have been falling behind on latest kernel and kde dev. [17:29] only the lame commercial dists are, thats not cool man :/ [17:29] remember that slackware is not about latest bling, but stability [17:29] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:29] KidneyBeans: sure, but slackware was already frozen-ish when 4.3 was released [17:29] for bling, go to *buntu's [17:29] its all stable when its been dubbed as stable [17:30] slackware packages are not stable until pat declares they're stable enough for him [17:30] big difference [17:30] same thing with debian aswell [17:30] does pat irc? [17:30] smetimes [17:30] sometimes (duh!) [17:30] lol [17:31] i wonder if slackware pays his bills [17:31] it does [17:31] does this proj makes millions every year? [17:31] pretty much - that's why we buy the cd/dvd's or have a subscription so he doesn't have to do anything but keep slackware going [17:31] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] not millions, but it keeps his house up :) [17:32] aah right [17:32] my (personal / wild-ass) guess is that Pat will put 4.3 into -current sooner than later, so that people on 13 can update if they want [17:32] yeh he's prolly one of the only ppl who have a decent linux dist [17:32] doesn't hurt that it's the oldest surviving one as well [17:32] i'm trying to set my own one up at the moment, but i don't want to base it on anyone elses. [17:32] but, .4 releases of KDE typically work a little nicer than .0 :> [17:33] Kidney few people start from 0, Pat didn't either btw [17:33] yeh but splitting hairs over minor kde bugs is like the windows crowd throwing fits about vista, only to end up using it when the next new windows comes out [17:33] start with linux-from-scratch (may have to dig for the docs) [17:33] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] i will start from something similair to linux from scratch [17:33] windows crowd do not have a good choice, though [17:34] basically you need a working *nix box to compile the code for your base system [17:34] (other than linux) [17:34] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.92.69) left irc: "shutdown -h" [17:34] no - a good compiling environment. you could even compile it using windows if you're good enough [17:34] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:34] the windows crowd in general dont have the ability to use linux, they dont have a choice but to fork out. [17:34] you're prolly right about that [17:35] i think only kde can drag some window users into linux. [17:35] :/ [17:35] and compatible hardware :) [17:35] windows drove me to linux [17:35] a research projet in the navy got me started on linux [17:36] doze does have the effect of making you want to use something else :p [17:36] I used os/2 before that [17:36] i first used linux with what i think was called slackware 3.0 or slackware 96 [17:36] I started sls on 12 floppies :) [17:36] a dude on an irc chatroom kept on nuking and ping flooding me off the network, and when i finally realized what was going on i realized how ridiculous the ms security is; and what a power ppl have over me. [17:37] who remembers what sls stood for (besides me)? [17:37] windows instability and vulnerabilities got me interested in Linux [17:37] I started on RH 5.2 [17:37] Well, started on Linux [17:37] i forgot what sls means [17:37] ms instability got me started on os/2 [17:37] Soft Landing System [17:37] hehe [17:37] Action: Motoko-chan has OS/2 3.x somewhere [17:37] ms have changed a lot thuogh [17:38] On 20+ floppies. [17:38] "And the winner is ------ Motoki-Chan!!!) [17:38] comparing how bad security was in windows 95 to what its like in vista; is quite major [17:38] Well, the 3.x/9x code wasn't meant to be part of a networked OS. [17:38] yeh [17:38] i have a copy of os/2 warp somewhere, its not a bootable cd, you got to use a boot floppy to start the PC in dos then start the install on the cd [17:38] NT was designed to be a NOS [17:38] something Novell fully understands [17:39] 2 boot floppies - but yea [17:39] alisonken1home, awesome. [17:39] yeh man at the end of the day ms's bad reputation comes from people using their software stupidly [17:39] I also have a copy of Windows 1.1 somewhere... [17:39] KidneyBeans, not just that. [17:39] brb im gunna go make some tea, one sec! [17:39] The default configuration has been awful too. [17:39] And then MS backpeddled from their hardening in Vista. [17:39] I think I still have a CD I burned from the navy that I put all of the ms floppies onto for easy installation [17:40] alisonken1home, I have an MSDN CD of the floppies. [17:40] 95 is the oldest windows i have, 2000 is the newest, after 2000 i decided not to bother with it anymore [17:40] Kidney, windows runs everything at ring 0, imagine all your processes as root in linux [17:40] mancha, that's not exactly true. [17:40] not since 3.1 [17:40] Well, not for the NT-based editions. [17:40] windows has some leet memory protection code [17:41] Ring 0 is driver code, yes. [17:41] there is a torrent you can get the windows 2000 code from [17:41] Motoko-chan: I burned my MS cd by copying floppies onto a drive and making a cd from that [17:41] strange thing about it is; there are literally no comments. [17:41] KidneyBeans, don't look over it if you want to contribute to open software. [17:42] You are just opening yourself and the projects you code for to huge problems. [17:42] yeah [17:42] lol [17:42] i just had a look to see how to put their code together [17:42] i didnt understand a thing tho [17:42] lol [17:42] Anyway, you could in theory make a driver and have a UI so you could manipulate code in Ring 0. [17:43] I think the AV vendors got in trouble in Vista for pulling that stunt. [17:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:43] They actually had to *gasp* abstract privileged and non-privileged code! [17:43] when vista first came out, it was impossible to find a firewall for it [17:43] KidneyBeans, see above. [17:43] Same pain the AV vendors felt. [17:44] I have tried Win7. [17:44] It's slick. It's like a polished Vista. [17:44] i dont know the stats, but im pretty sure that vista doesnt have NEARLY as much malware problems as xp does. [17:44] KidneyBeans, likely not. However, people learn to click to dismiss dialogs quickly. [17:44] windows 7 is the cutting edge of OS and GUI design :s [17:44] because all two of the vista users had decent firewalls? :) [17:44] With all the alarm bells (from lazy developers), it kinda kills security. [17:45] I think KDE 4 is moving into interesting areas with GUI stuff. [17:45] yeh man thats why i want the latest one :/ [17:45] brb [17:45] Dunno if you heard about how it's being worked to a special Netbook interface. [17:45] All Plasma. [17:45] happycamper (n=happycam@g225103178.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] If you want to try KDE 4, Mandriva and SuSE are really good with their KDE packaging. [17:46] KidneyBeans, juice all the other food names. makes me hungry [17:46] Motoko-chan: I've built and am using kde 4.3 and it is very, very nice. [17:46] y0 nix_chix0r [17:46] Avoid Kubuntu, it's the half-baked retarded cousin with no love version of Ubuntu. [17:46] sup fire|bird [17:46] Action: Motoko-chan is on 4.2.4 right now (Mandriva 2009.1) [17:47] i come from a time where red hat was considerred the lame commercial instable dist; believe me, im not going to use kubuntu :s [17:47] nix_chix0r: nothing much, had a storm pass through a little while ago, sun is out now. My Internet connection sucks so I assume you've been chewing on the cable again. :P [17:47] haha [17:47] for once my internet hasn't died . probally cause i was chewin on your cable [17:48] Motoko-chan: I tried getting Mandriva in a vm but it just wouldn't work. [17:48] hubby is out mowin the lawn. if it weren't for the riding lawn mower that would never get done [17:48] fire|bird, interesting [17:49] lol i didnt know that there r chics who use slackware :/ [17:49] KidneyBeans, 8 and 9 era? [17:49] Motoko-chan: I was going to try the live cd of it on my laptop and see if it works there. I was trying out Sabayon a little bit ago. [17:49] fire|bird, have you seen the tenacious D movie [17:49] nix_chix0r: heard of it, but haven't seen it. You have? [17:50] fire|bird, did it keep rebooting? [17:50] yeah i recorded it on the dvr so watchin it now [17:50] Motoko-chan: no, it wouldn't boot at all and just sat there, I can't remember what it got stuck at. [17:50] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-154-77.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] KidneyBeans, i am the origional [17:51] one and only [17:51] Huh. I know there is a boot bug with certain optical drives. It and the workaround is documented [17:51] ;o [17:51] motoko-chan, lol the time when slackware decided to skip some release numbers coz red hat was doing it lol [17:51] i accept pay pal donations [17:51] KidneyBeans, then the 8 and 9 era. [17:51] Motoko-chan: cool, I'll try again and look into the work around. thanks. [17:51] That was awful. [17:51] nix_chix0r: can i pimp you off in a cheap south african hotel? [17:51] KidneyBeans: red hat wasn't the only reason [17:51] brb my tea is almost done [17:51] Nothing like huge backports from kernel 2.5 to 2.4 [17:52] hell yeah you can [17:52] shit the day just got better [17:52] GCC 4.0 incompatibility with older compiled apps (no commercial binaries would work) [17:52] Oh, and constant breakage of KDE. [17:52] So bad, the KDE developers were constantly trying to fix the problems RH created. [17:52] pihentagyu (n=doeppjak@92.82.60.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] nix_chix0r: you accept donations? for what? :P [17:53] nix_chix0r how old r you? [17:53] fire|bird, the beauty of donations it can be for anything [17:53] nix_chix0r: :) [17:53] nix_chix0r: sorry, I'm broke. :P [17:54] lol [17:54] KidneyBeans, i'm 22 for the time being got a bday next month [17:54] KidneyBeans: wrong question -> "nix_chix0r: are you old enough?" should be the question [17:54] It's impolite to ask a woman her age. [17:54] Motoko-chan: ++ [17:54] yeah only if she's 30+ [17:54] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [17:54] But you don't know on IRC, so it's best to apply it in all situations. [17:54] true [17:55] Action: nix_chix0r slaps KidneyBeans [17:55] i should be offended [17:55] Action: Motoko-chan slaps KidneyBeans too, just because [17:55] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [17:55] nix_chix0r: think of it as showing interest :) [17:55] oh [17:55] especially with child laws in some countries [17:55] those enzyte commercials make me laugh [17:56] enzyte? [17:56] male enhancement [17:56] ah [17:56] that cheezy grin on that guys face (enzyte commercial) [17:56] look at bob hes all smiles that's because he takes enzyte and now has a huge penis oh boy [17:57] Pig_Pen: yeah, he looks like an idiot, fake almost. [17:57] brb gona throw some laundry in [17:57] Motoko-chan: looks like Mandriva is starting up just fine on the laptop. [17:58] i think thats the point, to have that retro 1950's post WW2 look about it, (but before the 1960's got all hippyish [17:59] Motoko-chan: yup, working great on the laptop. [18:00] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] are you humongously fat? [18:00] i heard american women are all fat. [18:00] -keeps quiet- [18:00] Channel flood from KidneyBeans -- kicking [18:00] anyway [18:00] im trying to put together a prog that can automatically package an application [18:00] KidneyBeans kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:00] haha [18:01] lol [18:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424180.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] KidneyBeans (n=user@196-209-169-253-wbs-esr-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [18:02] wb KidneyBeans [18:02] WHY THANK YOU [18:02] :/ [18:02] You're Welcome. :) [18:02] KidneyBeans: first you have to figure out what kind of package format you want [18:02] a man goes to have a cup of tea and comes back to this! having been slapped and kicked! [18:02] This time be less stupid in your questions KidneyBeans [18:02] or at least have more time between posts [18:03] lol dude, talking to women in a chatroom like this is insane, everybody will find the smallest reason to turn everyone else against you. [18:03] anyway [18:03] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] KidneyBeans: slackboy is a bot - so you can't blame us for that [18:03] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] its this home made irc client of mine, it sometimes screws up with the lagging; i slapped it together with c# to test its robustness [18:04] And this is not a "chatroom" where you go to look for women - this is a Slackware support channel [18:04] hey its my fault ;p just talking [18:04] anyway [18:04] calm down im not looking for women [18:04] O my... c# developer too [18:04] tell that to fire|bird [18:04] what? why me? [18:04] alienBOB is that a good thing or a bad thing to you? :P [18:05] Bad [18:05] But that's me [18:05] everybody who can code in c++ can code in c# [18:05] No Linuxer should code in C# if you askeme [18:05] i thought i'd explore the language a little bit, seeing that its NEW [18:05] And mono is an abomination [18:05] you sound a bit like a fanboy [18:05] darn right your not looking for women, because i called dibs on all the women that come in here ;p [18:05] No just an old UNIX hippy [18:06] lol c# is a cute RAD language man, nothing mor [18:06] e [18:06] KidneyBeans: not fanboy material, but both mono and c# are a specific monopoly's attempt to crowd out areas where it should be helping rather than breaking [18:06] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.109) joined ##slackware. [18:07] actually they're just trying to make custom development more affordable :s [18:07] if that makes them a monopoly it aint their fault! [18:07] Action: nix_chix0r passes a doobie around [18:07] KidneyBeans: nope. affordable is gnu tools. they work well [18:08] you dont understand alisonken, they gnu software might be free, but the cost of a developer that uses those tools are not. [18:08] c# developers are by far the cheapest [18:08] nema_veze (n=beker@212.200.219.133) left ##slackware. [18:08] all they had to do was make a gui front end to the gnu tools - instead they wasted money on new language(s) instead of helping extend existing languages [18:09] KidneyBeans: and it shows [18:09] KidneyBeans, you sure about that? [18:09] well they are here in south africa! [18:09] there is a war going on between microsoft and GNU/GPL/FOSS/Linux and your desktop is the battlefield [18:09] lol you guys are so dramatic :) [18:09] love is a battlefield [18:09] jsut like SCO, we didn't start/want the war, but someone decided to kick out [18:10] Maybe in South Africa... but in the US, C# devs cost a lot more... in my experiance [18:10] yeah a war between regression and progress [18:10] sheez xxjx thats bizarre because it only takes like six months to become a certified c# developer. lol [18:10] US, Canada, most EU countries [18:10] KidneyBeans: and it shows :) [18:10] xxjx: more than what? JAVA? c++? [18:10] KidneyBeans, exactly. [18:10] Php/Perl (speaking of web terms) [18:11] and Java [18:11] but who wants java ;) [18:11] well then ms must have finally found a way to make something simple AND powerfull [18:11] who wants java? [18:11] dont be silly [18:11] i am a progressive luddite [18:11] java is huge :) [18:11] since MS broke java, that's a bad example [18:11] how many things in slack are built against nss? [18:11] java is the orgasm of software engineering [18:11] they were sued over it and lost as well [18:11] java is lame [18:11] if that's what you think, then no wonder you're a c# fanboy [18:12] im not a c# fanboy [18:12] i'm a software engineer ;p [18:12] I have something called an 'educated unbiased opinion' [18:12] out of curiosity, how's your coding skills unsing nothing but a text editor? [18:13] i coded my first windows registry editor in asm using only a text editer when i was 13, does that count? [18:13] be careful of anyone that say they have all the answers watch them with suspocion [18:13] suspicion* [18:13] dude the days of 'my dick is bigger than yours because i can do it in a text editor' are long gone [18:13] nope - not a size issue [18:14] its so much fun coding in a gorgeous ide :D [18:14] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.90.29) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:14] it almost makes your working hours better than your weekend hours [18:14] I run across too many people who think they're a software engineer but get lost with anything outside of an MS development tool [18:15] nah my title doesnt come from ms certs [18:15] is an actual bsc degree [18:15] gygy ;) programmer here.. :) [18:15] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.47) joined ##slackware. [18:15] altho im still a student ;p i might be getting ahead of myself [18:16] also you might be not [18:16] i've been studying it for long enough tho to realize that all programming languages are fundamentally the same [18:16] g [18:16] at last? [18:16] in the end it all are ciphers, aren't they? [18:16] :DDD [18:17] they all just apply the same philosophy [18:17] anyway who carez [18:17] my c# irc client needs some work :s [18:17] seems you do [18:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: [18:18] yeh lol i love this shit a bit too much, its become a tad of an obsession [18:18] re [18:18] if your, as you say it, shit donot work on console, i'm not using it [18:19] re [18:19] so don't care how much years, what of c# etc you have there [18:19] sorry - had to clean up after the dog [18:19] TMI [18:19] The sad part is that C# is actually a pretty good language, but will never truely be accepted based on who made it [18:20] KidneyBeans: just pointing out that most people who come in here and claim c# it teh leet are usually drag/drop coders that couldn't do anytihing without handholding [18:20] xxjx you familar with Small-c? [18:20] Quiznos, can't say I am [18:20] can you blame them considering microsoft's history of abuse and deception xxjx ? [18:20] Pig_Pen, nope not at all [18:20] ok; xxjx take a quick peek at its wikiped entry, then i'll ask a q [18:20] me neither [18:22] Quiznos, ok [18:22] kjsdjksd (n=sdkjfhas@adsl-76-235-38-55.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:22] Ask away [18:22] xxjx ty; so now take that brief and apply to `Small-java' or `small-c#'? :) [18:22] it's all about symbol table processing in the compiler! [18:22] oh offcourse alisonkonen, but i didnt claim to be leet :) i just wasnt chicken and admitted to having used c#. lol [18:23] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.97) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:23] man the only programming language that ever makes me feel like im doing some real hardcore shit is c++ [18:23] KidneyBeans: actually, you gave a glowing impression of it :) [18:24] Quiznos, true [18:24] shht. lol [18:24] KidneyBeans try Forth. [18:24] then what do you consider c? [18:24] dont diss my irc client :/ [18:24] xxjx you think there's somethi to it? [18:24] hurray, mono-irc clients [18:24] just what linux needs [18:24] i dont have any problems with c, i used it for a long time, so much so that grasping oop become a challenge [18:24] hahahah thrice ;p [18:24] sure why not [18:25] oh btw class, i think i figered out how to make .com files for linux ala DOS [18:25] i think i might not open source it, out of a sign of mercy. [18:25] KidneyBeans: try fortran on mainframes ;) it should be interesting for you [18:25] omg [18:25] omg on ION tv channel, _Blazing Saddles_ next week i think, Thurs, Fri. [18:25] well i dont have a damn mainframe :s but let me guess; there is an oss cpu emulator for it? [18:26] ok - Blazing Saddles on my DVD work? [18:26] KidneyBeans i think ibm offers free time on... [18:26] they used to [18:26] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-154-77.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] agris: another one would be ada :) [18:26] i wouldnt know what to do? make an optimized version of john the ripped? o-:) [18:26] *ripper [18:26] no, ripped, is right [18:27] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.2.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] probly :s [18:27] alisonken1home: i'm speaking just of what i know. I was impressed how flawless application can be made [18:27] John the ripper... [18:27] even if there is no shiny windows [18:28] man look evangalists can go round moaning about microsoft until they turn blue; but the fact is c# is a fun language ;p its like playing, instead of working [18:28] yep [18:28] fortran is too new, gotta start on cobol [18:28] KidneyBeans: the difference is this being a linux channel, we prefer using languages that we won't get sued over and can use fully [18:28] well, from my POV, i'm tired of the all the redundancy and reInventions. [18:28] There are actually a lot of jobs out there right now for Cobol devs [18:28] (in the US) [18:29] how many times is is...* written [18:29] yeh but the us is a strange place :s [18:29] c# is actually freely available for download.. main problem is ... OS [18:29] agris: notice I said "linux" :) [18:29] KidneyBeans AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY! :) [18:29] Pig_Pen: thank you for reminding me :) You are right [18:29] lol [18:30] the usa is part ghetto and part land of oz [18:30] i find it funny how europe keeps giving microsoft shit [18:30] Pig_Pen lol; fine [18:30] mono does not allow us full use of all spec'ed functionality, and it still has possible legal consequences [18:30] Abbey Road 40th anniversary [18:30] today [18:31] legal consequences? [18:31] i am glad the EU is sticking to microsoft, the US DOJ does not have the cajones to do it [18:31] Pig_Pen "sticking it to *" [18:31] that means its going to be cheaper for you to sue somebody than develop x thing yourself; right? [18:31] Pig_Pen it's all about whos paying whom [18:31] yeah [18:31] you forget some w\w's [18:31] \w's [18:31] \w+'s [18:31] heh [18:31] i'll get it one day [18:32] coptyer and plane collided over Hudson r. today [18:32] copter [18:32] actually, ms has to be in EU, otherways, EU wouldn't get that much money from it :) [18:32] (wth is wrong with my finger> KidneyBeans: mono is supposed to be a linux compatiblility compiler for c#, but MS keeps threatening patent lawsuits for use of their technology. how is that NOT legal consequences? [18:32] As someone who is paied to develop C# apps, i wouldn't touch Mono with a 10' pole [18:32] when a company gets big enough to start telling their customers what they can and can not do its time for the company to be broken in to pieces [18:32] noh its not! [18:33] Pig_Pen i could agree with many exceptions :) [18:33] its time for other people to pull their fingers outta their asses and to become competitive [18:33] fuck making it easier to compete. [18:33] it should be made harder, in all circumstances. [18:33] standard oil is a good example of histroy [18:33] Pig_Pen however, corporations are creatures of got, so govts have the law and auth to tell the corporations where to stuff it. [18:33] that way you can only have more effective and efficient results. [18:33] s/got/govt [18:34] well, my chief now prefers more *nix servers than windows based :) crisis etc... [18:34] KidneyBeans: c# was developed by microsoft as a competitor to c++. Microsoft has consistently threatened patent litigation for linux companies/software/users for using their technology. [18:34] Tell me where I'm wrong [18:34] Quiznos, you'd think thats how it works... [18:34] that's why i really dont have a prob with govt.us messing with banks, car .coms and other creatures. just dont mess with people [18:34] xxjx what? [18:34] alisonken: thats weird because you thought that they might WANT people to use their technologies. [18:34] You'd think Govn't could tell big corps what to do [18:34] That is not really true [18:34] xxjx bamer and congress are telling them where to stuff it, even now. [18:35] KidneyBeans: they WANT you to use their technologies - but only on THEIR systems. [18:35] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] xxjx read title one, chapter one, section one of law. defining PERSON [18:35] if you lived in africa, you would realize the luxury of major corps being able to control governments being such a major advantage. [18:35] xxjx a person is a corporation. and is birthed by legislatures. [18:35] KidneyBeans: companies that want people to use their technology don't make public statements about suing people over them [18:35] it just always seems to drive a gov into better efficiency [18:36] xxjx read any us.legislature's law (the code) [18:36] KidneyBeans: if i'd live in africe, i'd use ubumtu everywhere.. :) [18:36] Thats all good and fine [18:36] But we have these things called lobbiest [18:36] not too sure about a better efficient government by control like that [18:36] microsoft is to desktop PCs what Standard Oil was to the oil business [18:36] that screw all that up [18:36] xxjx yea well they exceed law [18:36] s/lobbiest/lobbyists/ [18:36] heh [18:36] yes lobbyists [18:36] s/lobbyest/bully/g [18:37] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:37] mmm tunder [18:37] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Yea it will be what brings the US down [18:37] no it wont [18:37] microsoft is just another example of a company becoming big because it sells the cheapest shit, nothing more [18:37] well really it will be the fact that the avg american doesn't realize we aren't the sole super power [18:38] 1st Pres GeorgeWashington had a vision; google it; America shall not be destroyed. [18:38] lol [18:38] ms windows cheap? tell me some more lies loverboy [18:38] lol it was the cheapest shit until free software came round ;p [18:38] amen [18:38] oh that reminds me [18:39] m# is purveyor of boot virii [18:39] when i can get a retail copy of windows for 19 dollars retail (not OEM) then you can come back and say that [18:39] lol [18:39] KidneyBeans: then you missed the court cases against them [18:40] Pig_Pen: "that I can buy anywhere, not just ripped copies" [18:40] see, yea, i dont get why you ppl were saying that .eu is friendly to m#, when they charge them with many millions in fees regularly [18:40] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.52.79) left irc: "Saindo" [18:40] lol [18:40] hrad (n=a@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] lossing in court frequently, m# that is [18:41] when a company decides it's cheaper to litigate/settle than to actually listen to customers, they're too big - among other indicators [18:41] frankly, that's the only good news i hear form .eu [18:41] slackfan (n=slackfan@82.113.121.126) joined ##slackware. [18:41] that could be, alisonken1home [18:41] yup, i agree 100% alisonken1home [18:42] last decision was that ms had to unbundle their bowser [18:42] dude [18:42] so that ppl could install their own [18:42] dood [18:42] :> [18:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] dudette? [18:42] Quiznos: it's just bussiness :) MS charge europeans a lot and ties them to some soft, EU charge MS and lets to disable that some software [18:42] :P [18:42] if microsoft didnt make ie free we'd all be buying web browsers :s [18:42] ddodliser [18:42] agris yea, i get it [18:42] KidneyBeans: nope [18:43] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [18:43] ofcoz we would [18:43] that market would be so huge right now that even if you only get like 1% of it you'd be a millionaire [18:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:43] IE isn't free. I have to buy their operating system to run it, and that's not cheap [18:43] mosaic was giving their browser away before ms was at dos v5 [18:43] i've never bought any commercial sw in my long life [18:43] slackfan (n=slackfan@82.113.121.126) left ##slackware. [18:43] Quiznos: how old are you? [18:43] alisonken1home: ah, the old days [18:44] old enough to not have to put up with crap anymore :) [18:44] naw, i would still be using some flavor of nix (bsd or linux) regardless if IE was free or not, i made that decision back around 1999 [18:44] Urchlay: tell me about it :) [18:44] compiling mozaic server/browsers on a sun sparcstation - fun days [18:44] lol [18:44] alisonken1home: actually, back when the internet was the arpanet, I only ever got to read about it, not use it :( [18:44] as long as you enjoy what you're doing it cute man :s just dont fall for any silly brainwashing pleez [18:44] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) joined ##slackware. [18:44] making gcc on a leading edge box with 2m ram and 200 meg disk [18:44] Urchlay: I was on darpanet at the time [18:45] The only time I use IE is at work thats because Keynote is intergrated with that :P [18:45] g, old days with CDE :) [18:45] KidneyBeans: I was around when MS wrote their software to intentionally break Lotus and DrDos [18:45] alisonken1home: I was still calling BBSes at 300 or maybe 1200 baud [18:45] how do i get sshd to start? when i do /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start as root it says permission denied [18:45] Nexxus, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [18:45] yea that [18:45] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [18:45] Nexxus: "chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd" before running it [18:46] as root [18:46] consensus!! [18:46] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [18:46] Nexxus, ^^ [18:46] hey, does anyone knows smthng about CDE? is it still propretary and for pay? [18:46] duno [18:46] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:46] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] or else, "sh /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start" (I use this sometimes when I want to temporarily start a service, but not have it start on the next boot) [18:47] Urchlay: i believe it is good practice [18:47] KidneyBeans: so I'm not getting brainwashed about MS - I'm looking at experience [18:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:47] I do it on some remote mac servers [18:47] i.e. vnc/remote desktop [18:47] i can't trust microsoft after the stuff they've gotten away with doing to netscape and lotus [18:48] i cant believe that so-called clunkers are being uselessly destroyed [18:48] alisonken1home: I do remember the old "home computer" wars, back then MS made the built-in BASIC for Commodore and Apple, but not Atari (which is what I had) [18:48] CD Disk1 is the only required one to install slackware correct? [18:48] yes [18:48] hey lf4, how's it going? [18:48] Quiznos: accelerated scraps for the next generation of cars/bridges/skyscraper structural steel :) [18:48] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.183.57) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] lf4: if you don't want X or KDE [18:49] alisonken1home i think not [18:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] Quiznos: you missed the smiley [18:49] alisonken1home use an active volcanoe instead for trash disposal [18:49] alisonken1home ok :> [18:49] fire|bird: Doing well just going to install slackware on an old system haha tried booting from DVD in a CD-ROM :P who uses CD's now? ;) [18:49] how secure is slackware? [18:49] lf4: haha [18:49] as secure as the administrator [18:49] Urchlay: Alright :) Thanks [18:49] Nexxus: It's as secure as you make it to be. [18:49] Nexxus IMHO, it needs to be tweaked! [18:50] lf4: I use CDs, but not for installing slackware... they're pretty much my only option for music in my crappy old car [18:50] Nexxus there are defaults that are NOT applied. [18:50] Quiznos: like what? [18:50] Nexxus proper security says "close all; open deliberately" [18:50] Nexxus when i install fresh, #1 is echo "all: all" > /etc/host.deny [18:50] well, you can install the OS and choose not to run any services at all, from within the installer. That's "secure" [18:51] Urchlay: Should have said for installs ;) I cant even use CD's in my car someone installed a junk MD player. [18:51] Quiznos: he's going to do that and not realize it's a typo (should be hosts.deny) :) [18:51] wow rainstorm inFla. [18:51] Nexxus no pm's pls? i'm not smart enuf to solo :) [18:52] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Quiznos: so that will reject all hosts trying to connect to my computer? [18:52] haha secure? If someone asks "How do I not get a virus on my computer?" I say "Unplug it from a network and never stick in any type of media. [18:52] Nexxus there is no such thing as a 'secure' application, only 'security policies' [18:52] don't know how to open 10+ window in irssi? [18:52] :D [18:52] lf4: playing the the idea of getting one of those FM radio transmitters + a portable mp3 player [18:52] agris: Alt+left/right [18:52] lf4: do you know how to secure windows? Weld burglar bars onto your screen. meheheh. [18:53] scrote (n=Bob@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:53] Urchlay: I did that once it was pretty cool but limited with the 512MB USB now with GB drives it would be really nice. [18:53] lf4: that was meant to Quiznos, sorry :) [18:53] Nexxus yes [18:53] KidneyBeans: True [18:53] Quiznos: what if i want people to be able to ssh to it? [18:53] 512 megs is something like 8 hours, unless you encode at really high quality (not worth it on my crappy car speakers) [18:54] Nexxus then you selectively allow [18:54] Nexxus sshd has its own policy methods [18:54] iinm [18:54] oh ok [18:54] eh, but I have more than 8 hours worth of burned CDs in my car right now [18:54] Nexxus (n=vex@208.69.211.196) left irc: "Leaving" [18:55] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.97) joined ##slackware. [18:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:55] i gonna watch the rain fall. bbiab [18:55] HES A PIRATE! [18:56] yarrr [18:56] agris: Haha oh ;) [18:56] arrrr [18:57] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-239-204.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] yar, my car has gunwales for brass cannon, and a plank [18:57] if my passengers don't behave, I park next to a bridge and make 'em walk the plank [18:57] pfft, lets face it, we're all patent thieves anyway. [18:58] abbey road anniversary today 40th! [18:58] what patent are you talking about? [18:58] all of the software ones ;p [18:58] no, i'm not [18:59] there are no valid software patents [18:59] damn i thought all orange soda was sans caffeine; i be wrong [18:59] how sad... my cellphone tethered to my laptop is almost as fast as my cable connection. [18:59] now i cant sleep [18:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424180.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] mostly all sw used is gpl, mit or bsd licensed [18:59] if not all [18:59] or pub domain [19:00] yay for pub domain :) [19:00] lol [19:00] i wanna say "pubdef" but not quite [19:00] maybe that would work [19:00] wow really good rain going on [19:01] KidneyBeans: and all of MS sw I use is under corporated licenses or for free [19:01] stop moaning [19:01] This old 20gb drive I just put in this computer lol had windows 2k haha soon to be erased and have 12.2 :D [19:01] yay [19:01] how do you think it feels to be a student of software engineering knowing that if i get a great idea and that i want to patent it some wanker is going to steal it? [19:02] KidneyBeans conflicted? [19:02] we also deserve the luxuries of a material world. [19:02] no we dont [19:02] the world owes nothing to us indivually [19:02] KidneyBeans: patent it under common creatives :P [19:02] lol [19:02] KidneyBeans: keep hanging around here and we will brainwash you in to a cute little Tux, go to #windows and they will brainwash you in to a ruthless greedy capitalist with no heart or soul [19:02] haha [19:02] either way you wont brainwash me [19:02] besides, God compensates us for what we've done, good or evil. [19:03] i dont respond ;p [19:03] patenting an algorithm is BS [19:03] haha KidneyBeans give it time [19:03] wow electrical storm! [19:03] KidneyBeans: copyright - not patents - is what software is covered under [19:03] Quiznos: computer gets zapped!!!! [19:03] i hope not [19:03] the design is patented, the implementation is copyrighted. [19:03] alisonken1home: I wish that were really true. Sadly the USPTO keeps awarding software patents... [19:03] Urchlay: unfortunately true [19:03] lf4: I had that happen once, wiped the hard drive clean, had to reprogram (this was when I used windows) :P [19:03] no its not unfortunate [19:03] lol [19:04] KidneyBeans: patents are for inventions, not ideas [19:04] if it's not physical, it's not an invention [19:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] software is physical too [19:04] no it aint [19:04] fire|bird: Haha with me it just blew the whole mobo and also killed my keyboard(piano). [19:04] software is not physical - only the hard drive is physical [19:04] KidneyBeans: how about if the first person who had invented the idea of an operating system had patented it? Do you think that should be allowed? [19:04] yes it is [19:04] sw is mental and electrical. [19:04] its physical ;p [19:04] and elctrical is spiritual [19:04] lol [19:04] energy [19:05] we have no idear what it is [19:05] I have to admit it was cool to see a lighting arc instead our basement following a wire. [19:05] can I hold softare in my hand? no. I can only hold the paper printouot of the text code or hold the meia that it's stored on. I _cannot_ hold software in my hand [19:05] KidneyBeans: can you install software then cut open a harddrive and pour it out like sand or something? [19:05] s/instead/inside/g [19:05] like, "I own the patent on Operating Systems, therefore nobody can make an OS without paying me". That's more like intellectual squatting than anything legitimate. [19:05] s/meia/media/ [19:05] lf4: haha, I had a external dial-up modem get struck once, there was a huge white ball of light that came out of it; needless to say it doesn't work anymore. :P [19:05] fire|bird arent you glad you wernt holding it? [19:05] Quiznos: oh yeah, definitely. [19:05] nods [19:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:06] i'm sure [19:06] fire|bird: yummm fried stuff :P [19:06] software is not physical, because (so far anyway) physical objects can't be copied perfectly with minimal effort and expense [19:06] talk about electrical surge [19:06] KidneyBeans, so you invent an idea for a small applcation that can open and edit plaintext files. Does that mean that nobody else can make something similar? [19:06] shock treatment [19:06] That's why I shutdown my computers, etc. when there's storms around, I don't want to lose anymore hardware to a storm. :P [19:06] permanently [19:06] Urchlay: really? but willy wonka did it. [19:06] if I have some software, and I give you a copy, I still have it [19:06] lf4: well wonka's a dirty old kidtoucher, we can ignore him :) [19:07] hahaha [19:07] don't forget the Umpa Loompas. :P [19:07] fire|bird: lol I do that too but I make sure no cables are connected to the wall because of that one time. [19:07] KidneyBeans, if I make something similar there should be no problem. But if I steal your code then that is a different matter. [19:07] Oompa Loompa's ? [19:07] lf4: yeah, same here [19:07] Urchlay: lol you must be talking about the new movie. [19:07] alisonken1home: you've never seen the Willy Wonka movie? [19:07] fire|bird: not the new one [19:07] It's all those little guys making the candy and whatnot. [19:07] alisonken1home: they are in the old one as well. [19:08] alisonken1home: no, I'm talking about the old one. [19:08] Gene Wilder is the only willie wonka I nkow [19:08] know [19:08] lol [19:08] date-ed [19:08] I was asking about the spelling - I know about them :) [19:08] if i designed a fuel injection that got 90 miles per gallon i can patent the fuel injection device but i would copywrite the blueprints that went in to designing it [19:08] then they'd kill you [19:08] lol [19:08] lf4: too bad there aren't any good wi-fi hotspots around here, I could just hop on the Internet with my laptop now. :P [19:08] the blueprints are automatically (c) - but registering them helps :) [19:09] fire|bird: yeah haha I know :) thats why I like that I can tether my phone for internet. [19:09] alisonken1home: Oh, the spelling of it? I'm not sure, I just took a guess. :P [19:09] ;) [19:09] © [19:09] Ä [19:10] hey there's a circle on my screen [19:10] yes, registering the blueprints puts a datestamp on it so nobody can claim prior art [19:10] alisonken1home: the spell checker marked both words wrong, but I'm sure those two words aren't in the dictionary, so who knows. :) [19:10] Quiznos: yo u have 7 days.... [19:10] fire|bird, I doubt it [19:10] Quiznos: Oh noes, the storm has got you. [19:10] oh oh [19:10] Action: Quiznos shuffles [19:10] Quiznos: next comes, KABOOM [19:10] hey guys please help me understand: if open source isnt capitalist, then what is it? [19:10] Action: Quiznos shudders [19:10] KidneyBeans: free? [19:11] KidneyBeans capitalism is about personal liberties; both emcompassing the same concepts [19:11] I should say.for the most part [19:11] Quiznos: if a halo of light comes from a dial-up modem, imagine what will come from a pc tower. yikes. [19:11] open source is open source [19:11] no fone here [19:11] heh [19:11] KidneyBeans, you still need a license and pay for some software that has an open source equivalent [19:11] lf4: I'll eventually get a wireless router to use with the laptop, but even then I'd still shut that down for storms because that could easily get struck too. [19:12] s/equivaent/version [19:12] fire|bird: yeah it has to be 100% wireless which is why my laptop+Phone=internet all the time even in the car. [19:12] capitalist is the freedom to make money any legal way you can. open source is the opposite where things are shared. open source is more of an idealisticcommune of share and share alike and allowing other people to improve your idea and sharing the results [19:12] fire|bird: use a powerbar? [19:13] Action: dive is trying to remember the name of the wine that is for games [19:13] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [19:13] cedega [19:13] yep that one [19:13] capitalism is not just about making money; it is founded on personal liberty; until you osmosify that ONE point you'll "never get it" [19:13] thumbs: I do, 3,000+ joules, but I still would rather shut down, the stuff I've had get struck by lightning were on a surge protector. [19:13] Quiznos: capitalism and personal liberties are not quite the same concepts [19:13] fire|bird: oh, shitty [19:13] PERSONAL liberties [19:13] lf4: yeah, I bet that's nice. [19:13] thumbs: yeah, I know, it sucks. [19:13] alisonken1home they are more related than you'd like to admit. [19:14] Capitalism come FROM one's personal liberty [19:14] thumbs: that's why I wish there was a hotspot around here, I could get on that and not worry. If that got struck, the laptop would still be fine. :P [19:14] Quiznos: I think I missed that class in social studies at jr. college :) [19:14] probaly [19:14] fire|bird: you can use mine. [19:14] alisonken1home when did you attend? [19:14] lol fire|bird thumbs those don't stop the "physical" lighting from getting in I learned. Thats why you unplug the equiptment. [19:14] thumbs: What's the range on it? :P [19:15] 2yr degree about 5 years ago [19:15] I think trying to compare open source with politics isn't good practise to be honest. I don't want to get labeled as 'communist' or similar just because I use open source. [19:15] fire|bird: 1200km [19:15] alisonken1home ok; then yea, you werent taught it :\ [19:15] os and capitalism aren't opposites. many compaines even invest capital into open source projects. [19:15] thumbs: you have a 1200km wifi? [19:15] lf4: yes. [19:15] DevilTheory (n=jer@S010600226b64364e.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] dive: that's because of the political agenda and current regimes interpretation of communism [19:15] thumbs: nice :) [19:15] dive but it's not about politics (commonly spoke of) it is personal liberty to do with property what one will. [19:15] and then use those projects to make more capital. [19:15] like pat, for example. [19:15] lf4: oh, I'm joking, obviously. [19:16] thumbs: ye gods that's 745 miles. :P [19:16] communists would have no one exercise their private will [19:16] haha [19:16] thumbs: fire it up, I'll try. :P [19:16] thumbs: ;) [19:16] yesyes: capital and capitalism are separate objects - that much I did learn in basic business class [19:16] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] fire|bird: what city do you live in again? Maybe my wifi will work :) [19:16] alisonken1home keep on leawrnin [19:16] fire|bird: OK, the ssid name is ggh_rrde [19:16] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:16] wow i'm cold [19:16] brrr [19:17] in Fla. [19:17] thumbs: If they could have a signal go out that far, then I could get on a hotspot from another state. :P [19:17] lf4: I'm in Minnesota. You're where again? [19:17] fire|bird: there would be too much interference [19:17] lf4: oh yeah, SLC [19:17] Utah lol [19:17] thumbs: yeah, way too much. [19:17] alisonken1home: i'm defining capitalism as the freedom to invest capital whether you please. it's helpful to think of how things were during feudalism to understand why i'm defining things like that. what's your definition? [19:17] thumbs: still, that'd be cool. :) [19:17] yeah [19:17] Quiznos: I'm tempted to say "too late", but I've seen some of the peole that get degrees :) [19:18] alisonken1home well i'm not one of those. i've been studying at home for a long time and making good progress. [19:18] alisonken1home: go for it... I was one of the younger ones in my class :) [19:18] yesyes: capital is the means to start. capitalism is the society where you have the freedom to start. [19:18] alisonken1home, yes there is a certain feeling regarding communism, but you only have to look at Stalin's regime to know that it doesn't always work and that tends to stick in the mind [19:19] haha, I just seen on the news, in Wisconsin, the big hit at the state fair is chocolate covered bacon. [19:19] no no no capitalism is not a group activity; it is a personal persuit of happiness. [19:19] it is that happiness that we want to acquire stuff. [19:19] dive: I don't have to look at any regime - I just look at people and think "too bad personal greed is going to get in the way" :) [19:19] capitalism is based on capital. The more you have, the better you can get one with life. [19:19] it maybe a social (group) activity but it is really personal [19:20] lf4: oddly enough, now that the storm passed through earlier, my cable Internet is working better. :P [19:20] dive i disagree, read above again [19:20] i dont have a problem with capitalism, but people need to understand its weaknesses, capitalism can be gamed and manipulated by clever and corrupt capitalists like J.D Rockefeller with Standard Oil, and Gate & microsoft, there are other examples [19:20] still rainin here [19:20] alisonken1home: yeah, the emphasis was on 'freedom' in my definition, especially compared with feudalism. so, i don't see how o.s. is somehow opposed to that freedom, that paricularly society where you're free to invest. [19:20] Quiznos: well, you haven't got struck yet. :) [19:20] Pig_Pen honest people contract honestly/ [19:20] fire|bird: less computers online ;) some must have gotten fried. [19:20] fire|bird nop [19:20] lf4: hahaha, could be. [19:20] yes, those are the best Quiznos [19:20] nods [19:20] lf4: That'll teach those that left their pc's on. :P [19:21] Pig_Pen then all the law of contract kicks in to provide remedy [19:21] There is a reason it's called Capitalism [19:21] Quiznos: read again - I didn't say capitalims is a group activity [19:21] fire|bird: true :) [19:21] alisonken1home i think you did ;) [19:21] you dint say personal or individual [19:21] Just because current regime and education says it's about personal freedom means nothing. Look up capital in dictionary. [19:21] darn it whats the command for cd burning again? [19:21] lf4: cdrecord? [19:22] dive regime and educationalists do NOT teach capitalism [19:22] thumbs more than a few; google [19:22] lf4: cdrecord works good [19:22] thumbs: lol thanks :/ I was typing recordcd :P [19:22] lol [19:22] Quiznos, they do inadvertantly [19:22] yup, the law should Quiznos, they did with Standard Oil, but the DOJ did not have the cajones to follow through with microsoft [19:22] in a subliminal way [19:22] dive no no, i think not; the teachers didnt learn it either!!! [19:23] fire|bird: haha yeah it does [19:23] If open source alters capitalism it open up the means of production so many more can use it to make more capital. [19:23] s/open/opens [19:23] dive i barely learned in skool; learned it after skool; i'm just beginning to figer out what it really means [19:23] Quiznos: my intent was a short description of the influences that must take place in order for capitalism to be workable [19:23] lf4: I'm on my windows 7 vm atm with chrome, I typed in something to search for and it brought up M$ bing. :P [19:24] alisonken1home Adam Smith _Wealth of Nations_ "the invisible hand of God" [19:24] you'd think chrome would use google. :P [19:24] Quiznos, same here but I can think back to certain opinions of my teachers. [19:24] Linux has been a thorn in microsoft's side, since it is GNU/GPL microsoft can not buy it and kill it, and since it is free microsoft can not under sell it [19:24] Quiznos, or some at least [19:24] fire|bird: eww bing [19:24] dive yea those should be unlarned :) [19:24] had to read some Adam Smith - but I don't think it had God in the title [19:24] lf4: yeah, I know, what the.... :P [19:25] fire|bird: mayhbe windows set chrome to use bing? [19:25] lf4: hahaha, I wouldn't be surprised. [19:25] alisonken1home _Origin of species_ didnt refer to racism in the title either but see the original title page; it's mentioned there. [19:26] Action: lf4 <3 elinks [19:26] i think Penguin Books publisher faithfully prints the original unredacted title page too [19:26] Quiznos, one of my friends was refused lunch at junior school because he said he didn't believe in god and wouldn't say grace before lunch. That was their philosophy on many things. [19:27] lf4: I'm surprised they don't make bing default to searching for how to acquire M$ Windows. :P [19:27] Punish anything different. [19:27] dive yea, that's unfortunate (i'm a disciple of christ myself) i'd handle that differently than the skool did [19:28] fire|bird: haha yes... tell everyone to use bing and type "Download MS windows for free". That will mess up there system for popular searches. [19:28] lol [19:28] lf4: hahaha. I had seen some ss's of people using it to search for linux and it brought up a ton of Windows results. [19:29] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] _ohm (n=research@pool-173-65-12-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] fire|bird: really? That is just messed up. [19:31] lf4: yeah [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:33] dive, your friend was unfortunately the reciever of misinformed disciples; there is clear (well to me anyway) scripture the way we're supposed to handle meals, for believers and unbelievers alike. no one is to be challenged. [19:33] lf4: messed up yeah, but to be expected from M$. [19:33] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [19:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:33] DevilTheory (n=jer@S010600226b64364e.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gotta bang a chick." [19:34] Quiznos, they had their own interpretation of the bible [19:34] http://imagebin.org/58866 [19:34] apparently [19:34] dive, just plain miscomprehension [19:35] I think it was a little more deliberate than that [19:35] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] dive your friend was attending classes or luncheon guest? [19:35] hey were just evil [19:35] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Be back after optimized base install" [19:35] Pig_Pen: lol, nice. [19:35] classes [19:35] dive that could be, it's speculation now. [19:35] to me [19:35] ok [19:36] that does sux [19:36] dive pm? [19:36] sure [19:36] jmoncayo (n=steven@190.152.110.191) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:37] rez [19:37] lol [19:37] no doubt [19:37] lol [19:38] gentunian (n=seba@190.246.93.140) joined ##slackware. [19:38] gentunian (n=seba@190.246.93.140) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:39] dive am? [19:39] haha [19:39] lol [19:43] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-250-15-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:44] lagann_ (n=agon@71.233.170.212) joined ##slackware. [19:45] god damn debian has become USELESS [19:45] After doing that sysprep thing on my laptop windows, I can't even start windows now, it just sits at the Windows logo "Please Wait" screen for hours. :P, I've been using live cds on it. [19:45] fuq! [19:45] wipe it all out [19:46] slackware > Debian [19:46] fire|bird, just give up on it [19:46] fire|bird, use a clean install of windows [19:46] dive: I shall not give up, that's not my nature. :P [19:46] fire|bird, you don't reeeeeeally need an image of that lappy do you? [19:46] windows on my laptop rm'd a boot file during a forced wired deplug [19:46] supergear, pfft [19:46] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] debian would be awesome if there were debs for everything :s [19:47] supergear: the next install done on that lappy is going to be slack64. [19:47] pfft to? [19:47] Quiznos: haha [19:47] i gotta try to boot with a usb flop on that lappy [19:47] dive: It'd be nice, yes. [19:47] KidneyBeans, there aren't even tgz/txz of everything [19:47] fire|bird imagine how mad i was! [19:47] there is a deb for almost everything, which is some times scary [19:47] Quiznos: was steam rolling out your ears? [19:47] fire|bird not fast enuf [19:48] ok now to break the dependency this person has on Windows [19:48] fire|bird, use vmware [19:48] how to convert wma to mp3 [19:48] TwinReverb, use a program [19:48] dive: I can at least mount the images and work with them that way. [19:48] supergear: do you use vmware? [19:48] DONT BE A FANBOY TWINREVERB [19:48] no, really? i thought i had to use a text file [19:48] KidneyBeans: you're a good sport, you are hanging in there after all the shit we gave you, keep your chin up and stick with slackware dude, you got the potential of being a slacker someday [19:48] fire|bird, on windows i do [19:48] Action: TwinReverb stabs KidneyBeans [19:48] Action: TwinReverb with a fork [19:48] supergear: Which one, isn't there a server and then a workstation? [19:49] Action: Quiznos spoons TwinReverb [19:49] TwinReverb, why convert wma to mp3?? [19:49] TwinReverb: ogg/flac ftw!!!! [19:49] fire|bird, i use workstation [19:49] lol pig_pen, i was a slacker when you were still a larvae. [19:49] lol [19:49] linux will play wmas just fine [19:49] beans, what year? [19:49] supergear: Well, qemu wouldn't work with them, vbox doesn't like bin files, it's worth a shot. [19:49] brb [19:49] unless you're a open source nut [19:49] 0;o [19:49] Action: TwinReverb roundhouse kicks Quiznos [19:49] 'open source ut'? [19:49] Action: Quiznos is flat bread; you missed! [19:50] -teabags TwinReverb- [19:50] supergear, because there isn't a player in default Slackware Linux (that i am aware of) that will play them [19:50] KidneyBeans what year did you first boot slack? [19:50] stupid keyboard [19:50] fire|bird, i know but still [19:50] gxine plays them just fine [19:50] we're talking this person is a total computing newb [19:50] mplayer plays wma [19:50] stillborn (n=stillbor@a91-156-113-190.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:50] if he's a computing newb you ar eprobably making a huge mistake installing linux on his computer. [19:50] does mplayer come on slack as default? [19:50] yes [19:50] yes [19:51] and a lot of players as well [19:51] TwinReverb, gxine plays wmas out of the box [19:51] with the needed codecs? [19:51] fadein (i=fadein@static-ip-62-75-255-124.inaddr.server4you.de) joined ##slackware. [19:51] and comes with Slackware [19:51] gxinbytes [19:51] gxine bytes [19:51] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] it may suck but it does play them [19:51] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:51] k [19:52] So does audacious [19:52] supergear, and gxine is @#ing annoying out of the box [19:52] but point taken, thanks [19:52] TwinReverb, so does Audacious [19:52] Action: TwinReverb is used to the days when it didn't [19:52] atleast with -currect/13RC2 [19:52] current* [19:53] well KidneyBeans wont say when but i was a user in 1995, first saw linux in '93 [19:53] my 1st linux distro was SuSE :( [19:53] back in 99 [19:53] buuuuu [19:53] first and always a slacker here [19:53] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:53] was crap so i went back to windows [19:53] lol [19:54] 01:37 < Quiznos> lol [19:54] well wasn't crap [19:54] my first distro was corel linux in 2000 [19:54] it didn't work on LCD so i reinstalled windows 98 [19:54] it didn't like my hardware [19:55] my first was knoppix in éaae. [19:55] My next distro i tried was Mandrake 7 :/ [19:55] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] wtf is éaae. [19:55] the next one i tried was redhat 9, worked. then i made my way to slackware 9 [19:55] the rest is history (granted i still remain a fan of mandriva) [19:55] after Mandrake i found Slackware [19:55] it's 2007 on belgish keyboard [19:56] i started with slack and used always slackware [19:56] i think i started with slack v2+ [19:56] not sure [19:56] IM MORE A SLACKER THEN U GUYS [19:56] DeeeeP : buuu [19:56] DeeeeP no bragging [19:56] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-168-251.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] I think i have tried all the major distros besides Fedora [19:56] damn i'm fast [19:57] i was never a dist jumper [19:57] s/fast/fat [19:57] but i'll use a any live-cd to run linux [19:57] I've tried most in a VM [19:57] s/fat/fast [19:57] until i get slack fixed or installed [19:57] cba install live [19:58] i install linux in a vm on windows [19:58] when i distro hop [19:58] still haven't found a distro better than Slackware [19:59] there are nice ones tho [19:59] some sux less than others [19:59] yes there are nice ones [19:59] archlinux is nice [19:59] is there a .iso of that? duh of course there is [19:59] gentoo is ok, not my cup of tea [19:59] nm me [19:59] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [19:59] worse distro i have tried was ArkLinux [20:00] i have a habit of getting mags for the dists on cd/dvd [20:00] spensive but faster than torrenting [20:00] faster to just d/l off FTP [20:00] nods [20:00] DeeeeP_ (n=me@bl8-151-138.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:00] but i'm limited to 25 or 250g/month [20:00] dont wanna waste that [20:00] roflmao [20:00] Nick change: DeeeeP_ -> Deeee [20:01] Comcast is limiting in Florida? [20:01] yea [20:01] YellowDeeps [20:01] wow [20:01] i think so; havent seen real proof of it tho [20:01] wintery, :) [20:01] seriously, is 250G an issue? [20:01] lol i duno [20:01] well i mean comcast is enforcing the 250GB limit [20:01] that's almost 9 gigs a day [20:02] what haps at the limit? [20:02] and then what? [20:02] thrice`, he maybe a pirate [20:02] i'mnot, arrgh [20:02] even so ;) [20:02] quiet parrot [20:02] DeeeeP (n=me@bl8-149-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] the gremlins will attack your house afterwards? [20:02] lol [20:02] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] or watches ALOT of movies [20:03] i dont think that its possible to use 250gb even if you stream hdtv all month to your box. [20:03] i watch tv; old episodes, sitcoms from back in the day [20:03] Quiznos: (sidetracked) I was just pointing out that I read Adam Smith in business class but it was about the invisible hand of commerce [20:03] 80s myv vids [20:03] KidneyBeans, it's possible [20:03] Nick change: Deeee -> DeeeeP [20:03] . . . . . it aint piracy unless you sell copies of it ;) [20:03] alisonken1home ok [20:03] arrrgh [20:04] alisonken: you're either broke ass or very rich, which one is it? [20:04] alisonken1home properly, it's the undirected activities of people that when analsysed in a macro view, all work together to accomplish economic good [20:04] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:04] shit, those commies are masking well [20:04] alisonken1home but OperationResearch attempts to mess with that invisible hand to our detriment. [20:04] KidneyBeans: retired navy :) [20:05] alisonken1home operational * [20:05] lol alisonken, so werent you happy to be shooting commies or what? [20:05] ok - wife's home. time for the honeydo list [20:05] didn't shoot commies - only shot missiles at people that shot at us [20:06] didn't matter/care about their political affiliations when they shoot at us first6 [20:06] Operational Research just being the application of paper silicon chips (and|or|not et al) to (loop|control|capacitance and resistor) type of chips to see how people can be controlled. [20:06] lol :) [20:06] who did you shoot at? [20:06] you [20:07] Quiznos: THATS BULLLSHITTTTT [20:07] KidneyBeans i may not have desceribed it correctly but that's generally what it is [20:07] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] omgod am i surrounded by ignorant brainwashed neverwas-geeks?! [20:07] lol [20:07] KidneyBeans when did you first boot linux? [20:08] uva (i=bno@118-160-160-104.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] tomorrow [20:08] why wont you tell us? [20:08] because ppl like you are the reason i stopped using it [20:08] well. that's speeshul. [20:08] aaw, sad [20:08] tyvm. [20:08] yea very thrice` [20:08] KidneyBeans: that's laughable [20:09] lol ;p [20:09] well much to his shagrin, KidneyBeans just lamed himself. [20:09] so you'd quit using Windows if enough Gates fanboys harassed you? :P [20:09] oh well. moving on. [20:09] why cant using linux just be a fun thing? why does it always have to be some pollitical money bashing ubllshit. [20:09] so, is he saying that he's very suspectable to peer pressuer? [20:09] KidneyBeans get a grip already [20:09] hmm I need to get used to this new laptop keyboard :) [20:09] we discuss what we discuss bc we are mature people. [20:09] KidneyBeans: we couldn't care less if you use slackware or not :> [20:10] slackware, like God, invades our every thought! [20:10] erofl [20:10] actually quiznos its rather immature to question things like you are.... ppl usuually do that when they are in their rebel years as a 16 yearold teenager [20:10] Quiznos: I thought that was sex .. not slackware? ;) [20:10] KidneyBeans you think i'm a child? [20:11] BP{k} it'snot exclusive [20:11] well you have the emotional iq of one, thats for sure [20:11] :) [20:11] woohoo i'm a child!!! [20:11] yay [20:11] KidneyBeans ty [20:11] atleast you can understand that its not necessarily an insult to be considerred childish :) [20:11] childish != child [20:11] KidneyBeans: emotional IQ eh? Like EQ? [20:11] oh gawd [20:11] OKAY [20:12] NthDegree its the iq of how you respond to your feelings. . . [20:12] pseudo-quot of Paul, i am a child. when i became a man, i put away childish manners. [20:12] like what feeling follows another feeling [20:12] Hmmm I don't remember WISC III ever covering that one... xD [20:12] wisc III? [20:13] lol [20:14] Quiznos: I had to undergo it as a kid due to constantly correcting teachers and such at school.... XD [20:14] o lol [20:14] bet that made you endearing [20:15] hhaha [20:15] NthDegree, emotional iq isnt related to the normal iq at all [20:15] you can be damn clever, and have the emotional iq of a retard [20:15] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] Real IQ works the same way [20:16] yeh [20:16] but the problem with having a low e iq [20:16] is that you can respond to thing badly, without knowing it [20:16] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] like if somebody tries to sell you software, and you think its too expensive; can erupt into a socialism movement apparently, if you can get THAT upset. [20:17] If it is too expensive, go download it [20:17] i mean the correct emotional response would be to just not buy it. . . [20:17] supergear: I was about to say, if I think that i'll crack it :P [20:18] yeh supergear, thats what somebody with a good emotional iq would do [20:18] often works out cheaper to beat the UNIX timestamp-based "lets hide this in the registry" methods than to pay xD [20:18] we don't like iq around hre11é" [20:18] excuse me folks [20:18] lol :p [20:18] hre11é" [20:18] can anyone translate this > bludgeoned [20:18] use english ;P [20:18] that's an english word DeeeeP [20:19] google translate wont help [20:19] DeeeeP like when you apply hammer to someone's head or body to kill/murder [20:19] yeah , i know its english [20:19] bludgeoned to death [20:19] _ohm (n=research@pool-173-65-12-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:19] its because its an english word [20:19] what do you want it translated into then? [20:19] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:19] *ed is past tense of verb to bludgeon [20:19] DeeeeP: to thwap someone over the head with something :P [20:19] ok i see now , thanks [20:19] to run amok [20:19] q. v. Maxwell's silver hammer [20:19] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bludgeoned [20:20] and old star trek episode _Miri_ [20:20] how can I mount a device so that other users can write to it without having to edit /etc/fstab or anything like that? [20:20] manually [20:20] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] supergear: it's missing one [20:20] you can apply mount options while mounting it [20:20] for some reason the kde systemsettings thing does not show a "log in as root" option [20:20] or "administrator mode" [20:20] had to configure kdm by hand [20:20] oh, okay. Didnt know that, thanks thrice`, ill check out the man page [20:21] 3: to attack or overcome by staring into eyes [20:21] :P [20:21] u guyz know what i'm gunna do? i'm gunna build a linux dist from scratch; and as i go along, i'm going to make a note of every single interface component that can be improved according to the latest MIT standards [20:21] gotta login to kde4 as root i think [20:21] i'll prolly offshoot some nice osprojects [20:21] supergear - no need [20:21] then you can all party around and be commies together. [20:21] kdesu [20:21] to edit kdm [20:21] oops i forgot this is a support chatroom [20:22] do we have an offtopic chatroom? [20:22] KidneyBeans: lol, good luck. have fun copy/pasting the LFS book for a few days [20:22] s/chatroom/IRC channel/ [20:22] :P [20:22] woo i thin i just saw ball lightning out of corner of my eye [20:22] ##slackwareofftopic [20:22] err [20:22] KidneyBeans: ##slackofftopic [20:22] ##slackofftopic [20:22] ##slackofftopic [20:22] ##slackofftopic [20:22] fuq the lfs book [20:22] :p [20:22] you're not qualified on your own [20:22] Action: TwinReverb waves his arms as if conducting an orchestra which is performing his symphony, entitled ##slackofftopic [20:22] 8-) [20:23] well i aint copy pastin anythign from there [20:23] KidneyBeans: Gentoo doesn't count [20:23] xD [20:23] and it must be AMD64, to keep with the latest trends ;) [20:24] im not using gentoo i hate that shit [20:24] he uses Ubuntu [20:24] ofcoz its going to be amd64 [20:24] jesus you guys are starting to piss me off! [20:24] :/ [20:24] Action: thrice` points to the door [20:24] jesus guys? [20:24] fucktards! [20:24] :/ [20:24] if this chick has an old pentium-M laptop (1.5GHz) with only 256MB RAM and 30GB hard drive, with ati mobility, should i uninstall compiz to prevent her from even trying to use it? [20:24] yes [20:24] or buy her a new machine [20:25] maybe you'll get lucky [20:25] TwinReverb, not easy to set up compiz [20:25] maybe she'll ... upgrade her RAM? [20:25] rather install hannah montana linux on it TwinReverb. [20:25] HAHAHA [20:25] composite pro is a part of compiz right? [20:26] KidneyBeans dont let a vessel in your head pop [20:26] lol quiznos [20:26] ;p [20:26] damn its actually crazy how slow vista is sometimes [20:26] and another thing, if they don't have a dvd burner, can i remove dvd+rw tools? is it only used for burning? [20:26] KidneyBeans or, as these other bozos would say, calm the fuq down :) [20:26] i cant remmember anymore when ppl decided to opt for slower performance over prettier interfaces [20:27] no TwinReverb: its also used for loading it up and going to your parents and saying 'look! if i had a dvb burner i could use this!' [20:28] TwinReverb, u will get in trouble when upgrading packages [20:28] she's an adult and her parents are in the states. this is south korea 8-P [20:29] oldest trick in the book . OS install for sex :> [20:29] lol [20:29] ahahhaha [20:29] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] i think twinreverb is about to learn his first lesson in life: linux wont get you laid. [20:29] well 1) i'm married, 2) i'm the leader of the worship team at the church (talk about hypocrite), 3) i'm not attracted to you [20:29] i can get laid all i want ... when i'm back with my wife 8-) [20:30] wtf is a worship team? [20:30] lololololol whife pshhµ [20:30] err wrong window [20:30] google it if you have to [20:31] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:31] lol [20:31] you must be like those tards that went to burma in rambo iv [20:31] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] then rambo had to go save your stupid assess :/ [20:31] TwinReverb is in south korea? [20:31] probably in north! :/ [20:31] TwinReverb is Korean? [20:32] TwinReverb, ok sorry ..i would keep full install , 30 gb is more than enough. And if u start to choose what she wont need, ull have a lot of work [20:32] evil North Korean?! [20:32] yes i am in south korea, http://www.kunsan.af.mil [20:32] lol a belgish cat is sleeping nearby me and making strange sounds, just figured out what's generating those sounds [20:32] DeeeeP, well i'm removing what i know she should never need, mainly things like sendmail, apache, etc [20:32] is slackware a military linux dist? :/ [20:32] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [20:32] TwinReverb, when you going to Iraq :/ [20:32] no [20:32] i'm not [20:32] re; dont hit that button [20:32] ##slackofftopic 8-P [20:33] twinreverb, why not? you a faggit? [20:33] KidneyBeans, he's in the Air Force, not the Navy [20:33] *kick* [20:33] /killwithpleasure KidneyBeans [20:33] oh right [20:33] what did i miss? [20:33] man it must SUCK to be in the us army [20:34] rworkman, alienBOB Alan_Hicks pingggggg [20:34] you've been getting your asses kicked since 1945! [20:34] KidneyBeans: do you still live with mommy? [20:34] hmm anyone know why ATI card on 13.0-rc2 will sometimes display a square for a mouse icon rather than the pointer? [20:34] 8-S [20:34] yeah and she says you must stop being mean. [20:34] twinreverb coz of driver issues? [20:35] nah really? [20:35] well [20:35] i was wondering if someone with some intelligence / experience could possibly tell me why [20:35] it must suck to be in the .za army [20:35] KidneyBeans: it must suck to be in *any* army [20:35] the best way to try to work out what it is [20:35] South Africa [20:35] yay formatting 17gb on a 500mhz/768mb pc... :/ [20:35] alienBoB's blog is good [20:35] supergear: why? [20:35] is to see what version of all the programs in your gui pipeline are being used [20:35] well, polish army is necessary [20:35] is there any better ones? [20:35] and to see if its a common bug [20:35] only seems to happen during animations (default ati drivers) [20:36] my .hisotry is gone [20:36] the rest could resigne from military and become pacifists [20:36] open or closed driver? [20:36] TwinReverb, check the error logs or something [20:36] lol rrh you're probably right! haha [20:37] supergear actually the likelyness of the .za army EVER going to war is about as slim as anything [20:37] ^^ agrees [20:38] 0x31b is 5 pixels tall [20:38] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.97) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:38] but the x11 resol is 800x [20:38] that bytes [20:38] wish me luck, im gunna go lfs my intel box [20:39] luke [20:40] i am your father [20:40] good luck, KidneyBeans [20:40] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:42] without3 [20:42] without32 days to go [20:42] 2 days to go [20:42] ............ [20:44] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.109) left irc: "Leaving." [20:46] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [20:47] damn, i think i've lost stable nv for x11 [20:47] can only get lowest res on x11 [20:47] Quiznos, and KidneyBeans when will the food happen [20:47] errors in log [20:48] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:48] bbl [20:48] Nick change: icarus_ASLEEP -> icarus_ [20:48] makerc (n=makerc@189-46-101-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:48] makerc (n=makerc@189-46-101-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:59] Quiznos, why not use nvidia's driver [20:59] ? [21:01] Darn it this HDD must be bad I keep getting errors installing pkgs. [21:02] mancha, open [21:04] stillborn (n=stillbor@a91-156-113-190.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:08] juice2 (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left irc: "[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?" [21:08] hello [21:08] how is everyone? [21:09] you're asking all 283 people? :) [21:09] yes [21:09] i have a lit [21:09] list* [21:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:11] amazon10x: are you checking the list off? [21:11] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] yes [21:12] i crossed off ananke but i just realized he didn't actually answer the question [21:14] Alright check me off, I'm doing alright just not liking this install. [21:14] slack install? [21:15] yeah keep getting pkg install errors, im wondering if the drive is bad. [21:16] mancha, ping [21:17] is there no SDL Slackpkg? I see many SDL-based ones but not SDL itself [21:17] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] dchmelik: it's in the main repo [21:18] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=1&q=sdl [21:18] /var/log/packages/sdl-1.2.13-x86_64-4 [21:18] supergear i think a SBo upgrade change it [21:19] supergear whatever driver was running was doing well [21:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] brb rebot [21:20] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:20] thanks, amazon10x [21:22] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-185-190.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [21:23] so i'm looking to buy some skates. there's two models, the good ones, then the crappy ones. the good ones look crappy, but the bad ones looks good [21:23] what to do [21:23] re [21:24] amazon10x, LOLERSKATES? [21:25] TwinReverb: indeed [21:25] one day if i have enough money, i'll buy a roflcopter to go with them [21:26] anyone using the non-proprietary ati driver that is good with it? [21:26] TwinReverb: i use it on my desktop [21:26] haven't updated slack in the past month or so though [21:26] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] anyone heard of SDL_rotozoom.h:? [21:27] for some reason mine displays blocks for mouse animations at times [21:27] never had to deal with the ati so i have no clue what to do now [21:28] nm, it is in SDL_gfx [21:28] crap; there's caffeine in my orange soda [21:29] crap; there's orange in my caffeine soda [21:30] heh [21:31] slackbuilds says SDL_gfx is a package, but SBOpkg is not showing it in 'libraries' for me [21:33] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:34] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:35] she had better be so dang appreciative [21:35] Action: TwinReverb just got done adding custom command scripts to Thunar to convert any audio known to man to MP3 [21:35] Action: TwinReverb with testing [21:35] vivo? [21:35] sbo/libraries/SDL_gfx [21:35] look closer :D [21:36] dangit [21:37] _ohm (n=research@pool-173-65-12-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] TwinReverb: for your wife? [21:38] skype, check; openoffice, check [21:39] no for a friend who is sick of windows xp and has an ancient laptop [21:39] i'm hooking her up [21:39] oh nice [21:39] i did that for a friend of mine at school [21:39] a few days later i had a bunch of people asking me to do it on their laptops too [21:40] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:40] i went with slackware 13.0-rc2 [21:40] stable enough to use imho [21:41] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.33.74) joined ##slackware. [21:41] but hers is an ati firegl mobility 9000 [21:41] grazymax (n=grazymax@host188-157-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:41] i have it using the open source drivers for that (i.e. no xorg.conf) but during mouse animations the cursor turns to a block that looks like a displaced memory block copy [21:42] i.e. animations sort of barf [21:42] at least in the mouse cursor [21:42] that's odd [21:42] never had to deal with ati so i am clueless [21:42] (this is WHY i don't deal with anything but intel video cards in laptops these days lol) [21:42] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.165.127) joined ##slackware. [21:42] you could get the ati proprietary driver but that'll very likely lead to headache later on during upgrades [21:43] for the laptops we use, we always try to get nvidia cards [21:43] and we definitely try to stay away from ati :) [21:43] amazon10x, yeah so i just need to figure out how/why and maybe fix that one minor thing [21:44] i doubt she's going to play openGL games in slackware on this machine so i think that's not a problem [21:44] the proprietary ati won't work with older cards, even cards that aren't that old [21:44] terrapin: because they want you to buy new cards [21:45] yea that is hard to do in a laptop too [21:45] alienating existing customers that way is a sure way to hurt your business [21:46] case and point: we buy nvidia, thanks to their drivers. we avoid ati, thanks to their drivers. [21:46] they don't think they are (and with our small numbers, they really aren't) [21:46] i guess they can afford to lose 3-4% of their customers [21:46] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [21:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:47] i bet there are more linux users than the statistics dujour makes it look [21:47] a key on my netbook is acting funny [21:48] question is: what does that 3-4% amount to, in terms of possible profit loss? annual salary for a couple decent programmers probably wouldn't be as high as the lost profits [21:49] and those 3-4% are likely vocal when it comes to computers and will advise others not to buy ati as well [21:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:49] we certainly advise our users that way [21:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.163) joined ##slackware. [21:50] at least there is hope for a decent open source driver in the future [21:50] some of us have been waiting for that for 10 years [21:50] lol [21:51] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] thats why i gave up being an idealist a long time ago, nowadays i think more pragmatically, the GNU/GPL makes a better philosophy than a religion [21:52] The GPL has issues, like any other license. [21:53] Nick change: amazon10x -> rms [21:53] <_< [21:53] Nick change: rms -> Guest67112 [21:53] RipVanWinkle : the longer you use technology, the more indifferent you become. you don't bother being a zealot for anything, since you've come to a realization that everything sucks [21:54] Nick change: Guest67112 -> amazon10x [21:54] lol, yes [21:54] some solutions/products/technologies just suck slightly less than others, thus becoming your choices [21:54] and since everything sucks, i rather use and OS that sucks for free than an OS that sucks and costs money [21:55] 'suck slightly less' for your specific goal that is [21:55] RipVanWinkle : that [21:55] yes if necessary [21:55] RipVanWinkle : that's debatable. just because something sucks less, doesn't mean it's worth the amount of time and effort you have to put into it [21:55] ananke: does that come with getting older, or just with using technology more [21:56] for me, i have more time and elbow grease than i do extra cash so i take the route that costs less money at the expense of more effort [21:57] case and point: up until 6 months ago, i used slackware with mythtv, to drive my HTPC. then i switched to opensuse with mythtv. two weeks ago i switched to opensuse with xbmc. last week i switched to mac mini with plex. yes, mac mini may cost me a bit more than the clunky pc hardware i had, but it's nothing comparing to the amount of time and effort i had to put in with pc running slackware and mythtv [21:57] amazon10x : both [21:58] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] ananke: did the same tv-video-device work with the mac as the pc hardware? [21:58] those mac minis look cool and dont take up a lot of space but how do they do when it comes to cpu/gpu intensive tasks like playing feature lenghth movies [21:58] terrapin : yep. [21:58] nice [21:59] RipVanWinkle : using any of the intel core or intel core 2 duo mac minis, there are no issues. well, at least on 720p, wide screen [21:59] is there some replacement package in slackware for checkinstall, which got removed with 12.x ? [22:00] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.165.127) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:00] anyone got SDL_gfx to build on 64-current? [22:00] i'm using dvi->hdmi converter, and mac mini has optical out. i spent hours trying to get alsa working right, so it would use my spdif-out for _all_ sound. pain in the neck. macmini just does it [22:00] ananke: i'm afraid that over the next few years i'm going to transition into "grown-up" stage and become disillusioned with everything [22:01] amazon10x : you just come to conclusion that you have to use what works, and you don't have the time to fight religious battles [22:03] Action: rrh just found slacktrack [22:03] ananke: traitor! [22:03] er... [22:03] wait.. [22:03] :) [22:03] <----- TRAITOR TOO! [22:03] :D [22:03] what is slacktrack? [22:03] jihad for linux [22:03] Action: ananke highly recommends macmini+plex for HTPC [22:04] dchmelik: checkinstall-like utility. "tracks the installation of a 'make install' (or similar) [22:04] and produces a Slackware compliant .tgz package from the results." [22:04] rrh: you might enjoy slackbuilds.org along with sbopkg [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] rrh: won't checkinstall also do that? [22:07] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.94.192) joined ##slackware. [22:08] where are all the irritating people who use hannah montana linux? [22:08] ananke: ORLY? working out pretty well eh? [22:08] agentc0re|work, yep [22:08] Action: agentc0re points at KidneyBeans [22:08] :P [22:08] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.162.179) joined ##slackware. [22:08] lol [22:08] maybe they are rioting with britney spears linux users [22:08] i still wanne find out what that is based on [22:08] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:09] fogus (n=fogus@d75-157-237-3.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] so i can go into the respective chatroom with some hannah montana problems LOL [22:11] hahaha [22:12] terrapin: i am aware of slackbuilds.org. i only found it 'too late'. after i already had my 'build_env.sh' script, which compiles, installs and packages my favourite apps, written. the script is based around checkinstall, and now i am too lazy to switch to proper slackbuilds. but i will have to do it eventually. i guess. :) [22:12] "Hannah Montana Linux is a unix-like Linux Operating System based on Kubuntu." [22:12] guys, I'm having a tough time finding alien bob's latest slackware 13 build in an ISO. is it on his alien.slackwbook.org? [22:12] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.162.179) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] fogus: the README in the isolinux directory of -current tells you how to create and burn your own iso [22:13] terrapin: where is the -current? [22:13] rrh, why would you want to switch if you have a working install system? [22:13] fogus: on any slackware mirror [22:14] amazon10x: it will. but checkinstall got removed, with 12.x version of slackware, for compatibility reasons. [22:14] meh [22:14] terrapin: isn't this is: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [22:14] I think I finally got it from a weird search page [22:14] fogus: there you go, the easy way [22:15] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware [22:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] sorry wrong window [22:18] mancha: because my system (11.0) is getting old. and slowly it seems easier to upgrade to fresh distro/installation and customize that, than all the needed libraries one-by-one. [22:18] why was it the wrong window? [22:18] man [22:18] i am not there yet, but already checking my options. :) [22:18] its been a long time since any distribution wasnt dated like one month after release :s [22:19] KidneyBeans: someone else asked a question [22:19] what question? [22:19] about slackware [22:19] rrh, you can take your script jewels with you though [22:19] I was answering a different question. [22:19] slackware = (hannah montana linux - hannah pictures) [22:20] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.118.123.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] KidneyBeans: doubtful [22:20] it doesn't come with a pink fluffy / rhinestone theme so no [22:20] just warming up for my interrogration on kubuntu [22:21] maybe if she was gothic (black and white splash theme for LILO) but doubtful [22:21] Goth girls ftw. [22:21] pffft [22:21] goth girls suck [22:21] Action: TwinReverb married one from texas 8-) [22:21] KidneyBeans: hopefully [22:21] Thats why they are awesome [22:21] no i dont mean in a literal sense, i mean figurativly [22:21] you see [22:22] speaking of gothic there was a distro that had a gothic theme called undead linux, i think it has since been abandoned [22:22] they are probably so emo that they wont even smile when they see a coq. [22:22] the literal sense of sucking is all that matters when it comes to goth girls [22:22] RipVanWinkle: you mean, undead linux has died? ;) [22:22] KidneyBeans: why should they smile? you say that like youre supposed to notice their expressions.. [22:22] what is undead linux? is it all the totally obsolete shit put into one major useless obsolete dist? :/ [22:22] yup [22:23] o [22:23] some people just have too much free time [22:24] Wow. This is cool. Number of Dating matches by state. Worst states: Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, West Virgina, Mississippi. [22:24] i want to go to america and date an ignorant southern girl. [22:24] is that at all possible? [22:24] of course [22:24] one with sexy legs, that can barely spell her own name? [22:24] sure. just date anyone I wouldn't. [22:24] when i use knoqueror su mode when i am non-root, it displays error messages and next time i run X/KDE i have to delete .ICEAuthority [22:25] all the women here are either married with a dozen kids or toothless old hags [22:25] hey now [22:26] here = as in my home state, not here as in irc [22:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] lo [22:26] l [22:26] ah yeah that's how it is here as well [22:26] -undresses nix_chix0r and introduces her to his BEANSTALK- [22:26] lot of meth folks [22:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:27] :p [22:27] meth is bad stuff [22:27] i seen your pic nix_chix0r you're young and pretty [22:27] wth [22:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [22:27] Do you people really have that crappy of a life? [22:27] ive gotto go to bed its like 4:30pm [22:27] i havent sene her pic [22:27] goddamnit. They are tits. get some. elsewhere. [22:27] lemme see it [22:27] they do - I don't [22:27] i mean 4:30am [22:27] alisonken1home: well most know whom I mean. [22:27] ah shucks [22:27] Dominian: :) [22:28] goodnight guys [22:29] hahaha [22:29] g'night [22:29] rhys, you're funny [22:30] sup TwinReverb [22:30] goddamnit. [22:30] I was going for the ANGRY vibe. [22:30] coke zero is the bomb diggity [22:30] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] doesn't taste like syrup [22:31] nix_chix0r: it isn't supposed to m'dear. :D [22:31] taste good and no calories pimpin [22:31] rhys: I think it was your use of all lowercase that made it not as effective [22:32] the artifical sweetener will give you cancer [22:32] i know it's true because i saw it on tv [22:32] when i want a treat i like to make homemade rootbeer floats [22:32] alisonken1home: yea, I stop that in real life by making every part of my appearance scream "I BEAT CHILDREN" so when I actually get in proximity of people, I don't actually have to beat them [22:32] benyaish (n=ilyas@adsl-109-20-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [22:33] rofl [22:33] I usually do anyway. Just to be sure [22:34] my parents beat me when i was stupid and it helped me not be stupid so i don't see the harm [22:35] Seriously though, I've been wanting to tell this to someone for a very long time. I reeeeeally hate kids with skateboards. Like, I think I could murder one in less time than it would take me to remove their ridiculous beanies and partially torn flannel. [22:35] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] TwinReverb: I have respect for your parents. [22:38] TwinReverb: I can't say they beat the stupid out of me, but knowing when the belt was coming out helped :) [22:39] If all else fails little Jimmy at least knows how to duck properly. [22:40] i bet everyone is waiting for 13 [22:40] dchmelik: nah. [22:41] dchmelik: when I can clothesline them with their own skateboards? Ohhh yea. [22:41] Or the version of Slackware. That too. [22:41] what else did you think i meant? [22:41] benyaish (n=ilyas@adsl-109-20-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:42] this will help me pick up chicks. y/n/maybe [22:42] http://www.onlineskatehouse.com/item.php?id=8&type=0&ref_no=152589 [22:45] ilyas (n=ilyas@81.192.42.177) joined ##slackware. [22:45] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.162.179) joined ##slackware. [22:46] greetings and salutations [22:46] hello [22:46] greetings [22:46] how goes life? [22:46] amazon10x: this will help more. http://www.sleeping-tablets.com/ [22:46] lol [22:46] slightly left but forward... you ? [22:46] actually amazon10x, if you actually want to "pick them up" use this. www.handtrucks.com [22:46] wotch andarius :) [22:46] after the first of course. [22:47] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] wotcha BP{k} :) [22:47] just got me some dvd -rws now i get burn -current :-D any one know of a good mirror that has the dvd iso already made ? [22:47] and my therapist wonders why I always feel like the police are following me. sigh. [22:48] deco: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [22:48] terrapin: thanks! :D [22:49] so i assume that we have to build our own packages on -current right? no slackbuilds... [22:50] Slackbuilds generally work, since they compile against whatever you have. [22:50] Action: andarius would edit the slackbuilds accordingly [22:50] ^ [22:51] rhys: andarius thanks! [22:53] _ohm (n=research@pool-173-65-12-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:54] good night all [22:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] anyone know of a -current mirror what has a dvd iso close to california ? the other one is really slow for me :-( [22:55] deco: try tds.net [22:55] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:55] As I look at my 2.0KB/s total transfer, I am not sympathetic. [22:56] although .. acutalyl tds.net might just have a couple of the orginal tree. not -current isos. [22:57] BP{k}: yeah it doesn't have iso :/ [22:58] with the right tool anything can be done. [22:59] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Quiznos: cept bring you closer to Jesus. No tool or knowledge can bring you closer to Jesus. [22:59] knowledge of scripture does. [23:00] argh [23:00] buy a vowel! [23:00] kk. sorry. [23:00] [23:00] heh [23:00] i'm untrollable (i think) [23:00] damo23 does ntfs do perms like or similar to unix-fam? [23:00] deco: the isolinux dir of the -current tree has a README that will tell you how to easily create and burn your own iso [23:00] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016331.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [23:00] You usually can tell. I noticed my buddy was trolling when he went too far and said Underworld was a good movie. [23:01] lol [23:01] Underworld was a great movie [23:01] see. Obvious troll is obvious. [23:02] i'm unobvious :) [23:02] Quiznos: ntfs perms don't make any sense as far as I can tell. [23:03] rhys tawkin to a guest in #linux bout that; missed the `/msg' part [23:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-174-48-78-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [23:04] LOL; when is Muppet-fur gonna be outlawed? (Nanny Fine wears it) [23:05] where's PETA? [23:05] oops, PeTA [23:06] People eating Tasty Animals :) [23:06] yeaw them! [23:06] lol [23:06] ilyas (n=ilyas@81.192.42.177) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:07] pigs especially taste awesome [23:07] Eating? I just shoot them for sport and let them lay. [23:07] Nanny Fine is so annoying imo. Her voice is worse than hearing nails on a chalkboard. [23:07] oh pls, it's an act! get over it [23:07] her voice is an act? [23:07] yea [23:07] she could been reprentative from New york in gongress [23:08] con* [23:08] Then why does she talk like that no matter what, anywhere and everywhere? [23:08] stays in character [23:08] lol [23:08] haha [23:10] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-43-22-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [23:10] she may have a bonafide nasal problem?! [23:11] lol [23:11] frankly, i was very surprised when she stated that she wanted to be selected for office [23:11] terrapin: I'm eating pig right now.. it is tasty :) [23:11] ilyas (n=ilyas@adsl-43-22-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:18] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] BACON! [23:20] Action: edman007 attacks quasar [23:20] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] nix_chix0r, quasar has BACON! [23:21] mmm meat [23:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [23:21] Action: BP{k} stabs quasar with a splintery wooden spoon. [23:22] wormwood? [23:22] wormed wood [23:22] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] howdy BP{k}, your day going well? [23:22] quasar, give me bacon! [23:22] Action: Quiznos queues up [23:22] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:23] it wasn't bacon! it was pepperoni pizza! [23:23] i'm gona have to make a road trip to WA it looks like [23:23] Action: Quiznos queues up again [23:23] why? [23:23] my friend is gona move there soon [23:23] from where? [23:23] why? [23:23] nix_chix0r, well that sounds far... [23:23] from minnesota [23:23] it would make a fun road trip [23:23] really far... [23:23] 94 west? [23:23] 26hrs [23:23] sounds like a beer run [23:23] wait that was umm [23:24] damn cant remember [23:24] quite a distance for a beer run [23:24] nix_chix0r, i give you 8 hours [23:24] better be damn good beer [23:24] damn cant remember [23:24] edman007, we can swap driving [23:24] get a hotel [23:24] the movie with truckers and [23:24] texas to arkansas [23:24] and back [23:24] Channel flood from Quiznos -- kicking [23:24] Enis and little Enis [23:24] Quiznos kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:24] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] strange problem: compiling bbdock on -current and #includes seem to be ignored [23:24] rofl [23:25] damn, i just type fast [23:25] compiles fine on 12.2 [23:25] lol [23:25] harrr [23:25] Quiznos, you lagged too [23:25] 0 here [23:25] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.118.123.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [23:25] edman007, i'd have to bring monkey boy with me on the trip good thing he likes car rides [23:25] when he's too young to ask "are we there yet" x1000 [23:26] wth is the name of the movie [23:26] dive which include? [23:26] nix_chix0r, well i say don't stop except for gas [23:26] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:26] use two drivers and alternate, try and do it in under 24 hours [23:26] edman007, i think i could do it [23:26] just do [23:26] it would take a lot of good music and some redbull [23:26] damndamndamn this is gonna mess with me till i recall [23:28] country songs; elephants; black fast cars; lots of truckers [23:28] beer runs [23:28] i cant remember [23:29] the main actor married delta burke [23:29] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] Dom Delouise acted in movie too [23:33] Smokey and the bandit [23:33] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076729/ [23:34] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:35] fire|bird: I am good. spending most of the day playing with the new laptop [23:35] BP{k}: :o, new laptop. You had mentioned you were looking to get one or had gotten one. Which one did you get again? :P [23:36] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] andarius ty so vm. yea that's it!!! [23:37] alisonken1home beer run! Smokey and Bandit! [23:37] fire|bird: got one, Fred very kindly donated an older laptop he no longer used. :) It's an Acer Aspire 1520 [23:37] oh well; quarter hour late, dollars short [23:37] BP{k}: oooo [23:37] BP{k}: You got "The Laptop" ? [23:37] Dominian: "the laptop"? [23:37] BP{k}: the one that was donated/ [23:38] BP{k}: nice. I was just messing with my laptop atm. I finally got past the friggen Windows logo "Please wait" crap. :/ [23:38] there's a county center general products cheapo sale this weekend, i cant go. [23:38] Quiznos, stdlib.h [23:38] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:38] error: getenv was not declared in this scope [23:38] Dominian: yeah fred got this one donated a while back so pass the buck .. ;) ... it really makes a very pleasant different from my PII ;) [23:38] if I edit the file and add it it works [23:38] dive stdlib isnt being loaded? that's not normal! [23:39] BP{k}: Oh I bet [23:39] but it's #included in main.cc :/ [23:39] dive, bad environment macro? [23:39] dive edit to change what? [23:40] well it's an error in a file Icon.cc. If I edit that file and include it it's fine. It seems to ignored in main.cc though. [23:40] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "so much to do and so little time. such is life so be selective ;)" [23:40] dive is there a local config.h? [23:41] yep [23:41] fix there [23:41] if it's included in main.cc [23:43] /* Define to 1 if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 [23:43] seems good to me [23:43] yea [23:44] didnt configure catch that correctly? [23:44] It looked ok [23:44] ok [23:45] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] making distclean... [23:47] that might kill your change [23:47] crap [23:47] no it won't change src [23:48] the config.h [23:48] I didn't change it [23:48] k [23:48] it was already set as 1 [23:48] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [23:51] has anyone found good replacements for tar and make and other tools so that they could uninstall the GNU pkgs? [23:54] can anyone here read japanese [23:55] google does [23:56] amazon10x there are .jp channels, list *jp* [23:59] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] --- Sun Aug 9 2009