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[00:18] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] the only reason I'm using bt4 is that there are too many gnome deps for tools I need [00:18] like etherape [00:18] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] its over 12 deps to compile [00:19] doesn't seem like much until it becomes dependency hunt one at a time [00:19] what are you installing, TriniTuX ? [00:19] fhobia: I had installed etherape for a bit a network analysis [00:20] but that was too much annoyance [00:20] oh, fitting name i guess [00:20] don't get me wrong; slackbuilds.org do a great job [00:20] just it was too tedious for one app [00:21] so I just installed a distro with everything working [00:21] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:21] hence bt4 [00:21] whatever works man [00:21] lol yes [00:22] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Xgates (~Xgates@udp116220uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] hey guys [00:23] well wicd 1.6.2.2 and 1.6.2 both say now 'Can't obtain an IP address' so no mention of bad password in these two versions [00:24] afu (~sgendle@cpe-24-162-163-43.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) joined ##slackware. [00:24] MacGuges (~yaaic@171.sub-97-254-177.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] according to the website there are no deps that wicd requires, but what about like ssl, or other network pkgs or lib, or security or encryption? [00:25] hello, I wonder where I can expect to find information about my frozen X session. X won't respond to any ACD combo, so I'll have to reset. I'd like to know what went wrong. [00:27] there are a few places, but your first bet are the logs... [00:28] I've been running the most recent slackware distro. apparently the X server itself froze, because even the clock has stopped updating [00:28] is the X still frozen right now? [00:29] Xgates: there's all dependencies, if some, needed in slackware full install (which, i guess, is recommended). so, you don't have to worry about that ;) [00:29] yes, I know about /var/log. any suggestions on what to grep for? [00:29] yes it is. [00:30] agris: I didn't do a full install [00:30] Mac, do you ave a sysrq key on your kb? [00:32] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:32] I doubt it. It's a pretty minimal kb. [00:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:32] well check and get back to me [00:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:33] MacGuges, maybe /var/log/messages [00:34] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [00:34] in fact, i wonder if that key's a new feature of recent kbs. hmm. [00:35] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Xgates: then write /join #wicd [00:36] can you ssh or telnet into this machine from another [00:36] ? [00:37] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:38] nah. I've got that as a future project. [00:39] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] my kb is an old HHK type. I don't see any SysRq label anywhere. [00:40] Xgates: it uses wpa_supplicant. did you even bother reading the documentation? [00:40] well then force a reboot and look through the logs [00:40] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:40] I have it installed [00:41] my understanding is you don't need to configure anything for wicd [00:41] does caps lock work? [00:43] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:43] Xgates, the only configuration for wicd is the actual ap info [00:44] sahko: I can run my wireless by hand with wpa_supplicant, that's not the problem wicd is [00:44] ap? [00:44] Xgates, well, this morning when I got home, I set my home wireless to no broadcast and it still was able to connect [00:45] access point [00:45] k [00:45] lol, where's the difference between wicd config file and wpa_supplicant.conf? [00:45] ok [00:45] well funny how in 1.7.0 it complains about a bad password then in 1.6.2 it can't obtain an ip [00:45] to me that sounds like bugs [00:45] your question was how does it handle encryption. thats the question i answered [00:46] when it can't obtain an ip, it usually means that it thinks it's connected when it's not fully connected [00:47] there's a bzr branch lp:wicd I'm thinking to get and try: https://code.launchpad.net/~wicd-devel/wicd/experimental [00:47] never used bzr before anyone know if it's a pain? [00:48] bzr is easy. [00:48] It is easy to download source codes from bzr repositories. [00:48] k [00:48] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432731.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:49] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] bzr must be close to extinction :) [00:50] stuart_ (~stuart@175.144.255.27) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_ [00:50] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:51] when i run mplayer to play vids, it says Fatal error, Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. [00:51] try a different xv [00:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:51] i tried x11 but somehow it won't resize [00:52] no fullscreen. its a pity cos i like mplayer [00:52] what does it default to on your box, xv? is that what is conking? [00:53] I'm still thinking that possibly I'm missing a pkg for this thing... [00:53] yeah xv is broke [00:53] sally (~sally@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:54] meh. I've logged back in, and neither messages nor Xorg.0.log have anything interesting or meaty. just a couple enable/disable primary dac messages. [00:54] try x11, try gl, etc [00:54] why is xv broken? [00:54] mancha, i hvae no idea. the other players work fine tho [00:55] i've tried the rest, only x11 works but it won't resize the video [00:55] stu_: do you have direct rendering? [00:55] stu_: glxinfo | grep direct [00:56] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.59) joined ##slackware. [00:56] raela, GLX missing on display [00:56] there you go [00:56] a bunch of em [00:56] you need direct rendering to be able to resize videos. I bet scrolling is crap, too [00:56] and switching desktops [00:56] raela, true dat. how'd i turn on DR? [00:57] stu_: which card vendor? have you installed the proper drivers for it? [00:57] raela, yup installed nvidia driver [00:58] with the script from nvidia.com [00:58] I don't deal with nvidia, sorry. but, google nvidia and enabling direct rendering [00:58] maybe try a slackbuild if it exists [00:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:59] hufnus (~slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:59] kays [00:59] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon151816.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:59] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I think I just had a minor minor heartattack. [01:00] I should stop smoking [01:01] do i need to be part of video in slack to enjoy nvidia priveleges? [01:01] Gargantua or smoke more, the worst is a medium hard attack, either odn't have any or have one that is quick and final, knowdamean? [01:01] group i mean [01:02] hufnus (~slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] I love your logic mancha. [01:02] I think I'll have some coffee with my next ciggerate. [01:02] No, actually, make that some coke [01:04] is google.com all fucked for people? search for something and in the results page, is the banner and search box all kinds of funk? [01:05] seems normal here [01:05] stu_, I don't think so, no [01:05] BP{k}, looks normal to me [01:06] something with the google euro servers only? [01:06] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:06] hufnus (~slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:07] alisonken1noc: I don' know. Ask Mancha where he's from, he was the one reporting the prolbme. :-p [01:07] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] hufnus (~slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D421.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] Xgates (~Xgates@udp116220uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [01:07] mancha, still having problems with google? looks fine to me in california [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:09] how do i check if i actually have nvidia installed btw [01:09] Anyone having flash pluggin issues? Youtube (and many other flash video players) seem to be really flakey in Slack 13.1 x86_64.. I'm using generic kernel, x86_video_intel driver, firefox 3.6.3, and flash from slackbuilds,, The videos will continue to play but the buttons no longer function.. like I get stuck in full screen mode.. or play/pause doesn't work etc.. [01:10] wescotte, yeah i get the play/pause doesn't work thing [01:10] killing firefox and restarting generally fixes the issue but it happens frequently.. [01:10] wescotte: I had a lot of problems with that, but since I restarted X, it seems to be better.. but I haven't used a lot of flash videos since then [01:10] bjx (~brendan@60-240-108-175.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:10] I'll let you know when I finish upgrading the home machine sometime this week. it's still on 64-current from feb [01:10] stu_: intel driver? [01:10] wescotte, yup [01:11] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:11] stu_: what version? slack 13.1 x86_64 as well? [01:11] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [01:11] wescotte: it's happening here on 32bit ati, so I doubt that's gonna be the issue.. flash sucks :P [01:11] well, fglrx [01:11] I leaning towards intel driver bug as I believe I was using fiefox 3.6.3 and the same flash version when I was running slack 13.. [01:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] I didn't have these issues with slack 13.. I THINK.. I was using the same version of flash but unfortunately I erased /var/log/packages from that install so I can't check. [01:13] BP{k}/alison: http://imagebin.org/100394 [01:13] It's really unusable at this point.. I can't full screen a youtube video because maybe 1/10 times it gets stuck and I have to kill X to get my system back [01:14] I did notice that with flashblock enabled it seems to occur much more frequently though.. [01:15] mancha: STALKER! [01:15] mancha, interesting - I only get a box with "BP{k}" in it from imagebin.com [01:15] that's what my results page looks like. the only thing i've done is play with some osd stuff. maybe that's introduced all kinds of funk.. [01:15] what the.... [01:15] ah - there's google - hiding behind BP{k} :) [01:16] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:16] maybe you've been targeted by the people spreading malware through search engines [01:16] oh noes! [01:16] BP{k}: release the hostages. [01:16] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.27) joined ##slackware. [01:17] okay i was pretty sure i installed nvidia, so i edited xorg.conf and changed nv to nvidia manually. is that recommended? [01:17] nvidia-xconfig is the best way [01:18] alrights [01:18] will try that [01:19] bbl [01:19] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:19] the funny thing is it only messes up with "BP{k}" all other searches are fine [01:19] (j/k) [01:20] the brackets did it [01:20] haha [01:20] BP{k} 's stalker defense :) [01:20] I'm installing libflashsupport. I lost audio in flash since rebooting. apparently flash is still a bit flaky in linux. [01:20] hufnus (~slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Quit: Client Exiting [01:22] odd, haven't had a problem with it for a couple years here [01:22] and I'm running flash64 huludesktop on this machine, just not 13.1 yet (64-current from feb) [01:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:23] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:24] afu (~sgendle@cpe-24-162-163-43.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:27] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] agris (~agris@mail.biko.lv) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:30] ok, i have concluded i have correupted my video ram [01:31] correpted huh? [01:31] :) [01:31] yes, also corrupted kb ! [01:32] that's another thing I've noticed since I upgraded to slack 13.1... fonts sometimes get funky.. like in mancha's comment of "ok, I have concluded I have correuptd my video ram" the m is missing it's last part.. [01:32] wow! it is fixed. [01:32] i think the problem was on google's side. i musta hit a fubare'd server [01:33] seems to happen frequently when browsing the web too.. wonder if it's video driver issues.. [01:34] my "m"s are always missing parts [01:34] maybe its a hardware problem, dust bunnies, popped capacitors [01:35] anyone else having font rendering problems since upgrading to slack 13.1? [01:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] gogie_ (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [01:42] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:42] Nick change: gogie_ -> gogie [01:42] wescotte, openoffice sometimes gives me weird spaces in between fonts [01:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:43] firefox seems to have the most common issues.. a specific letter will render wrong for the entire page.. I just noticed it in xchat now too but it was only a single occurance [01:45] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] ROFL ! [01:46] i solved my prob ! :D [01:47] using libata completely now \o/ [01:48] Agris (~agris@80.232.193.2) joined ##slackware. [01:48] stu_: vertical or horizontal? I notice it's more like part of the letter just gets cut off.. like in a y the bottom tail portion is missing for all occurances of y [01:49] µ instead of y ? [01:49] it's a y but yeah it's cut off similar to that µ [01:50] and m will look like an n but you can tell it's just cut off not actually a different character [01:50] just the last vertical like on the right side of the m will be missing [01:51] in firefox it's consistant throughout the page when it occurs.. I just noticed it in xchat now and it was only a single instance [01:52] thinking.. video driver issue.. video ram issue.. or just ram issue.. [01:53] and wondering if it's related to my problem with flash stability.. [01:56] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-30-177.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:58] wescotte, horizontal [01:58] sometimes words appear like "wo rds" in my openoffice [02:02] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [02:02] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. 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[02:27] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] i can't start X on slack 13.1. Any idea ? [02:30] when i type startx, the screen just go blank and freeze. [02:31] anavel: do you get an error or does your computer freeze? [02:31] i use vesa driver, and even deleting xorg.conf. the same prob. [02:31] m1ck3y: i don't see any (EE) message on Xorg.0.log [02:31] anavel: sorry, out of my league :( I just had the same problem but switching to vesa driver fixed mine. I'm not sure if anyone else is on, but there are tons of helpful smart folks usually around [02:32] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:32] tried that, and even deleting xorg.conf. not help :( [02:32] Sauron (Yposu4i2zw@bnc25.nggn.info) joined ##slackware. [02:33] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.59) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:33] anavel: I'm sorry. I feel your pain. I was stuck for days with no GUI... sorry I don't know more [02:33] thanks for trying to help :) [02:34] anavel: Of course, if no one else is online. Seriously check back later, I've gotten tons of help from a few regulars on here. [02:34] ok [02:35] pnq (asdf@AC826BD1.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [02:36] anavel, do you see a mouse pointer? [02:37] dive: nope, just a freezing cursor on the upper left of the screen. [02:37] my numlock/caps/scroll key not even responding. [02:37] the pc just freeze. [02:38] which video card? [02:38] anavel: what video card? [02:38] radeon hd 2600 pro [02:38] it works perfectly normal when was using slack 13.0 [02:39] do you use the drivers from amd/ati? [02:39] yes, the latest one. 10.5 [02:39] fglrx [02:39] ananke: did you try the X -configure? [02:39] did you reinstall them after upgrading to 13.1? [02:39] as root... [02:40] dive: yes, i re-compiled them. [02:40] wescotte: i am using the same xorg.conf that works fine on 13.0. [02:40] anavel: ah.. [02:40] anavel: ssh into the machine from another box and do "startx" [02:40] rworkman: wait [02:41] and xwmconfig first if you haven't already [02:41] gonna get food 1st, brb. [02:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-159.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] FedoraLover52 (~adam@216.57.178.39) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Help linux users everywhere get iTunes by signing the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/itmslin/petition.htm [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*adam@216.57.178.*' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [02:43] FedoraLover52 kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: FedoraLover52 [02:43] h0h0 :D [02:43] Bad timing for spam. [02:43] nice rworkman :) [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [02:44] hmm. maybe I shall try to install slackware on my macbook then. see how that goes [02:44] I installed gsb-2.30 tonight on an old T30. Very nice. [02:45] gnome is tight nowadays [02:45] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [02:45] lol [02:46] There is a side of me that can't help but find seeing people kicked from irc rooms hilarious. I have no idea why. [02:46] damnit the m in petition link is broken. :) [02:46] alright. food installed. trying ssh into it [02:47] ah, i see. [02:48] got this error : "symbol lookup error: X: undefined symbol: pci_device_is_boot_vga" [02:48] googling it... [02:49] thanks for that suggestion, rworkman [02:51] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[03:03] has the thought ever crossed anyone's mind to bring the gsb team into the fold? adding gnome but also adding the manpower to handle it? [03:03] (thinking out loud) [03:04] I don't know the answer to that [03:05] it's an interesting idea, at least... [03:05] No argument here [03:06] rworkman: tried vesa driver. same prob. [03:06] slackpkg clean-system [03:07] hmm. why isnt gnome in slackware? or why was it removed? [03:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:07] Im just wondering [03:13] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:15] slackpkg update. wget command not found. But it's installed at /usr/local/bin/ [03:15] /usr/local/bin is non-standard [03:16] yeah [03:16] try: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin slackpkg update [03:16] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [03:18] so basically, slackpkg clean-system just remove obsolete packages ? [03:18] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:18] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [03:19] so basically > slackpkg help [03:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-159.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:20] there can be other new packages like e-17 removed too [03:21] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:25] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [03:26] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:28] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:29] If I have a file that is a ".tar.gz" and when I try to use installpkg it says it needs to be a .tgz. is there an easy solution to make it a .tgz instead? (Sorry if I'm way off base here, as usual I'm bumbling around with no idea what I'm doing.) [03:30] a .tar.gz is probably containing source. a .tgz (as used by installpkg) is an archive of compiled code [03:31] apples and oranges [03:31] hmmm.. so If I have a .tar.gz file I need a different way to install it? [03:31] you probably need to compile it first [03:32] nothing is as it seems [03:32] take the blue pill! [03:32] :) [03:32] no way [03:33] same problem. i give up. reverting to slack 13.0. [03:34] mancha: I keep reading that I need to uncompress the files from the .tar.gz (got that part) and then run "./configure" (doesn't seem to work) any idea what I'm doing wrong? [03:35] ok, source packages generaly have files called README and INSTALL [03:35] did you look at those? [03:36] m1ck3y: where from and what package do you want to extract and compile? [03:36] Filezilla from Slackbuilds.org [03:36] oh :( [03:36] ok,that is an entirely different .tar.gz [03:37] still got the blue pill? [03:37] i think you're referring to the slackbuild that is tarred up? [03:37] Yes!... I think? [03:37] edthix (ed@175.144.228.85) left ##slackware. [03:37] read the slackbuilds.org howto [03:37] inside it has the file filezilla.SlackBuild, slack-desc, etc? [03:37] mancha: yep! [03:38] ok, that is not the filezilla source, it is all the files you need to compile the fileziulla source using the SBo scripts [03:38] Can I just chmod the .tar.gz file? [03:38] so you download filezilla to where you expanded that tar.gz and then run: sh filezilla.SlackBUild [03:38] slackbuilds.org doesnt distribute packages [03:38] oh [03:39] and filezilla has at least 1 external dependency btw [03:39] sahko, does it? [03:39] sahko: I was going to burn that bridge when I came to it [03:39] yeah i maintain it [03:39] m1ck3y: download filezilla source pkg tar.bz2 from slackbuild, then slackbuild itself - filezilla.tar.gz. 2) untar slackbuild filezilla.tar.gz, cp filezilla src pkg tar.bz2 into untarred folder filezilla; then cd filezilla and > sh filezilla.Slackbuild with root privileges 3) installpkg /tmp/filezila-blalbla.tgz [03:39] although im looking for someone to steal it. i wont upgrade it anymore ;p [03:39] oh, i probably had it then [03:40] Agis: On my way! [03:40] the dep. since i compiled filezilla (not using your script - sorry) and i didn't have an issue... [03:40] but looking at the docs, it seems to use the wxGTK/wxPython widget set. is that what you meant? [03:40] it needs wxgtk or wxpython [03:40] mancha: well > FileZilla requires wxGTK or wxPython. [03:41] yeah [03:41] both found on slackbuild, too :) [03:41] i must say, i rarely use it, but filezilla ain't too shabby [03:41] i like the support for sftp [03:42] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:42] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [03:42] which reminds me to check the web site, that's one app that is always upgrading. i have..3.3.2.1 now... [03:43] mancha: maybe you want to maintain it in sbo as well?:) [03:44] hah. hey, see it through, you committed [03:45] it seems to be popular so someone will eventually step up :) [03:46] is maintaining it harder than changing version numbers and d/l links? [03:46] hahahahha I = the best [03:46] and by that I humbly mean thank you all :) [03:46] not as far as i can remember [03:46] so why are you unable to keep doing it? [03:47] i dont use wx [03:48] Agris_ (~agris@80.232.193.2) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Agris (~agris@80.232.193.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:50] Goodnight everyone, thanks again for all the help. [03:51] m1ck3y (mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:51] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:51] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Nick change: Agris_ -> Agris [03:53] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:56] how do you say in present tense when you try to imitate the cuckoo clock - cuckooing? [03:57] present progressive is what that is, ie it's progressing [03:58] trhodes: ups my mistake [03:58] is it? it's valid [03:58] but is that correct cuckooing? [03:58] sure [03:58] and in continuous? [03:58] cuckooed? [03:59] i could say i'm cuckooing now, and later i could say I cuckooed [03:59] cant find this stuff in dicts :) [03:59] trhodes: thanks :) [03:59] sure thing [03:59] hi guys, i have a weird problem with encoding settings in slack 13.1, when I set LANG env variable to bg_BG all system messages are translated in bulgarian language [03:59] solved !!! [03:59] turns out i only need to install libpciaccess. [04:00] is there a way to set locale only to write in cyrillic in console [04:00] thanks for all the help, guys :) [04:00] but without translations for system messages and such [04:00] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Action: pupit language stuff :) [04:01] lol [04:02] language stuff = really weird stuff in slack [04:02] mgt: no i meant my lines too [04:02] maybe if i delete bulgarian translation files [04:03] mgt: in Kde? [04:03] in console at all [04:03] mgt: that i dont know [04:03] have you tried in linux howtos? [04:03] there is a file in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [04:03] lol, mate [04:03] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] heaumer (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] yeah i tried :) [04:04] you know like find the file, edit it and restart the system :D [04:04] like in here: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/01/making-slackware-and-derivativ.html [04:05] caitlyn... shes great [04:06] amazon101 (captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [04:06] maybe i should ask here, instead here [04:06] lol [04:06] escaflow1 (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:06] jaskorpe_ (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [04:06] el_lobo_ (~Juan@190.24.46.187) joined ##slackware. [04:06] arnis_ (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Amsoz (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[04:24] Yuo doesn't afraid of anything [04:24] so I've set up my laptop with 13.1 and got a question. why do we have guidance-power-manager installed, when there is powerdevil and the battery plasmoid that do a much better job? [04:25] haha, havent use irssi for ages :) [04:25] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [04:25] just have to get used to it again :D [04:26] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.67.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:26] slava_dp: i asked alienBOB the same question at some point. he said he liked the bars in the taskbar or something [04:26] although powerdevil wont be doing cpufreq in 4.5 [04:27] lol... the bars... I see [04:27] but i dont know what is suppose to take care of that then [04:27] Can anyone point me to a howto or readme on getting UTF8 on slackware going [04:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:27] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. 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[04:36] Run xconfig [04:36] Action: Gargantua_ is 5 light years up the scroll bar [04:37] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [04:37] the only true config is menuconfig [04:38] The only true config is nano /etx/X/xorg.con >:( [04:38] iirc correctly from when I looked at xconfig you couldn't edit some things like local version [04:38] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [04:38] Guest47103 (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) got netsplit. [04:38] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) got netsplit. [04:39] meh [04:39] X -configure [04:39] ^ hardcore :) [04:39] I was talking about kernel [04:39] Action: slava_dp too [04:39] make x/menuconfig [04:39] Action: mancha three [04:39] X is all shit anyway, imo [04:40] X has its place. for me, it's to support more terminals [04:40] Gargantua_ that kind of talk will give you a coronary infarct! [04:40] :O [04:40] I'm just saying, the config is always fucked up. [04:41] Action: alphageek cranks Frankie Goes to Hollywood: Relax [04:41] just because :) [04:41] gonna be glad to see the end of fdi files anyway [04:42] xml... [04:42] Gargantua_ (Gargantua@213.188.83.23) left irc: Quit: Say good night to the bad guy. [04:42] it's very basic n00b xml in the fdi's anyways [04:42] xml is great for apps to parse perhaps but not so great for users [04:42] it's like vlah blah = "off" [04:42] n00bml [04:42] yeah [04:43] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [04:43] how hard is that :) [04:43] n00bml!@# [04:43] trhodes++ [04:43] pupit: slightly proofread version here: http://pastebin.com/5HKyF2dY [04:44] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*adam@216.57.178.* expired. [04:44] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) got lost in the net-split. [04:44] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) got lost in the net-split. [04:44] Guest47103 (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) got lost in the net-split. [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*adam@216.57.178.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:44] slava_dp: no lilo no grub :P [04:44] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [04:44] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:44] relax don't do it (wtf??) [04:48] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) left irc: Client Quit [04:48] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [04:49] trhodes: thanks :) i googled up this joke an found it here http://www.funnyandjokes.com/cuckoo-night-out.html but its ok, i exercised my english :) i even like my translation better than original i think its better :) [04:49] nickstolen, meaning? [04:50] vps [04:50] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051010083.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:50] well, you gotta pass the kernel vt.default_utf8=1 [04:51] more precisely, you must _not_ pass =0 [04:52] dive, have you looked at the new xorg.conf format (the udev hotplug stuff)? [04:52] not yet [04:52] i've not either, but was planning to set up 1.8.x over the weekend [04:52] Morn. [04:52] i'm curious about the syntax... [04:53] I'll wait for it to hit -current if it hasn't already [04:53] Now starting attempt 6 at getting a working Vista image [04:53] slava_dp now ou confused me you must _not_ or pass ? [04:53] dive was it you recommended to me and then asked about my adventures using it against qt3? [04:54] morning zordak [04:54] *what was it.... [04:54] Zordrak, what are you trying to do? [04:55] Zordrak, are you going to be submitting drbd-tools for 13.1 at SBo ? [04:55] slackytude|evil: install Vista 64 in VirtualBox and get SP1 and SP2 installed. I am on my 6th complete from-scratch install having had no success yet. [04:55] Zordrak, heh [04:55] trhodes: well.. kinda.. i was hoping it would get pussed from 13.0 like my others have [04:55] Zordrak, that worked quite well for me, tho [04:56] Zordrak: ah ok [04:56] *pulled [04:56] Zordrak, at least in ESXi. In Virtualbox I only had base Vista, no SP [04:57] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:57] Well i can get Vista installed (except the last try) but i can never get SP1 and SP2 installed. It always fails with no reason but an undocumented hex error [04:57] Zordrak, tried #windows and #windows-server? [04:57] not looking for help.. just generally whinging [04:57] maybe try to slipstream it [04:57] ah, tite [04:57] rite [04:57] dive for the life of me i can't recall. maybe some video or audio app you maintain... [04:57] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:00] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:02] morning * o/ [05:04] Anyone want to play with xorg 1.8.x [05:04] ? [05:05] rworkman: it might give me chickenpox.. [05:05] rworkman: I want to play with xorg 2.4.76. [05:05] Zordrak: nah :) [05:05] Well, if anyone is interested: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-1.8/PACKAGES/READ_ME [05:05] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.177.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:06] rworkman: while you're there, drbd has been pussed into 13.1.. but there should be drbd-tools and drbd-kernel.. drbd on its own was deprecated.. [05:06] s/pussed/pulled/ [05:07] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051010083.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:07] neat! i'll look at what you did on 1.8.x; no need to reinvent the wheel :> [05:08] Zordrak: the kernel module is part of the Slackware kernel; no need for drbd-kernel now. I just renamed drbd-tools to drbd [05:08] ;oh. [05:09] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:09] Can it be put back? The reason being that you might want to upgrade drbd-kernel without upgrading the kernel [05:10] I for one will be wanting to. [05:10] what are the main changes in 1.8? All I see is "udev replaces hal as default"; what are the implications of that for a user? [05:10] Nick change: Amsoz -> Zosma [05:10] Well, I guess so. I was just basing that on the docs - somewhere I read that the mainline kernel module should be used if it's available [05:11] rworkman: yeah.. but drbd's devel cycles are horrible and while they fought to get mainlined, all their work isnt focussed on the mainline yet.. its just an added bonus for them that theyre in there [05:11] However, there's no reason that it can't be re-added. You'd need to install it to $(moduledir)/misc and add a file in /etc/depmod.d/ to use the new module instead [05:12] Kaapa: based on this machine, very few - it still "just works" [05:12] Instead of editing xml (the fdi files), you edit plain text and drop it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ [05:12] rworkman: are you sure drbd is enabled in the 13.1 kernel? just trying to find a config to check [05:13] $ modinfo drbd [05:13] filename: /lib/modules/2.6.33.5/kernel/drivers/block/drbd/drbd.ko [05:13] rworkman: does the new config dir only work for input devices, or can one put video configs in there as well? [05:13] ... [05:13] hm [05:13] rworkman: ok, thanks [05:13] pprkut: I'm almost certain that anything that could be in xorg.conf can be there [05:13] See http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml for some additional info [05:14] rworkman: i will work on that when i get the chance, in the meantime can drbd go back to drbd-tools to save confusion [05:14] That doc isn't completely correct / ideal, but it's decent nonetheless [05:14] TrineLoecke (~TrineLoec@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Zordrak: I can do that. [05:14] rworkman: tvm [05:15] rworkman: nice, thanks! I will have a look how I can use that for nvidia :) [05:15] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:16] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:17] Zordrak: no problem [05:17] pprkut: :) [05:17] Is it possible to rename an application launcher menu? If I right-click and select settings i can set the format to "Name - Description", but the launcher doesn't honor the change. It's still called Application Launcher Menu. [05:17] zerafuze (~zerafuze@CPE00222d5ceeab-CM00222d5ceea7.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [05:18] On mouse-over that is. [05:20] mgt (1000@95.87.255.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:20] Zordrak: http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/?p=slackbuilds.git;a=commit;h=de743d136d4d7e955bf50db88df690fb6367e4fd [05:20] Passed a test build here [05:20] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:20] I should perhaps mention that this is happening when using KDE. [05:20] Action: TrineLoecke smiles [05:20] OK - i am going to do the unspeakable. I am going to upgrade the deepest innards of my slack box, the stuff people never speak of, the stuff used to scare children... [05:21] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [05:21] TrineLoecke: sorry, I don't know (I don't use kde) :/ [05:21] mancha: which parts? [05:21] i can't say, they're unspeakable!@# [05:22] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:22] suffice it to say, almost everything else depends on them [05:22] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*adam@216.57.178.*' by brown.freenode.net [05:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*adam@216.57.178.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:22] That glibc update is supposedly minor :) [05:23] I've got sources, but no build yet. [05:23] ah yes, except i come from a much earlier ver than you [05:23] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [05:23] ah [05:23] since i installed the clipman i cant paste with middle click wtf [05:23] eek [05:24] rwork, so if i stop irc'ing suddenly and you all don't see me till 2012 you know what happin' [05:25] mario____ (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [05:26] hehe [05:26] sahko: not using kde? [05:26] xfce4 [05:27] mancha: good luck! =P [05:27] i'm not SUPER scared :) i do have a backup image and also have survived these upgrades in the past [05:28] i just like to set an alfred hitchcock mood though... [05:29] were you upgrading glibc when you were away for a couple of months as well? [05:29] cause you came back a different person [05:30] hah, how was i before and after? [05:31] you came back grumpy making lame jokes :p [05:32] heh - i did have a bit of a grumpy phase, hopefully got over it [05:32] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [05:32] my lame jokes? those are in my dna! :> [05:32] Where's alienBOB? [05:32] He's there [05:33] alienBOB : I read your article about building a linux kernel. [05:33] alienBOB : It doesn't have "depmod -a". Is it ok to omit it? [05:33] crocket: Zordrak has a nice kernel building article too [05:33] sahko, didn't know. [05:34] yeah its in blog.tpa.me.co.uk iirc [05:34] without .co. [05:35] sahko: well failed :) [05:35] He has a tag cloud [05:35] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [05:35] Zordrak : You're the one who reported slackware 13.1's kernel's failure on LVM. [05:36] I read about it in the morning but didn't know it was you. After I came to your website again, I recognized. [05:36] crocket: That statement isn't even half as right as it needs to be to come anywhere near being the truth [05:36] Action: alphageek 's ears perk up [05:38] using lvm on 32/13.1 here, so now my curiousity's up [05:38] thats only with xfs iirc [05:38] alphageek: so long as you dont put lvm on drbd and all your vgs are being correctly detected at boot you dant need to worry [05:38] much [05:38] oh, right [05:39] yeah, we went over this a few days ago [05:39] crocket is just not good with words [05:39] or thoughts [05:39] or actions [05:39] heh [05:39] lol [05:39] Zordrak : it was designated as bug. [05:39] crocket: which? [05:39] but affecting production servers. [05:39] LVM bugs. [05:40] crocket: ugh. Link? [05:40] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/tag/kernel/ [05:40] Slackware 13.1 Released :: An Unfortunate Choice of Kernel [05:40] It's your article. [05:40] Thefuck? [05:40] How i-s that a link to the bug report? [05:41] It's informal but seems like sort of report [05:41] 13.1's kernel is fine. except for extreme use, like Zordrak's. [05:42] So your whole premise for sayiung "it was designated as bug" is that i said so in an article? [05:42] i've upped it to 2.6.33.5+bfs, works great ;) [05:43] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:44] Action: Zordrak cordons off a small section of the room for the really cool special people to hang out in. Really exclusive. To get in you have to have an awesome name like crocket or Azeotrope... or straterror [05:45] Zordrak : how do you put it? [05:45] c4-lmmx (~55412633@gateway/web/freenode/x-wybfgmwupjvzkgoo) joined ##slackware. [05:45] crocket: With a large stick, some superglue and a rabid hamster. [05:45] Zordrak: reading your stuff. thanks for the REISUB reminder [05:45] alphageek: np :) [05:47] yeah didn't know that one either, should try it out sometime :) [05:47] c4-lmmx (55412633@gateway/web/freenode/x-wybfgmwupjvzkgoo) left ##slackware. [05:47] johndee (~id@95-29-187-151.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:49] won't forget it this time.. it's up on my corkboard as 'KABOOM??\nALT\nSysReq\nR.E.I.S.U.B.' :) [05:49] that'll be enough of a reminder [05:50] if it helps, reisub is "busier" backwards [05:50] haha [05:51] IF it helps :) [05:53] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:54] lol [05:58] Must remember to snapshot this bitch the second the initial install is done. [05:58] i will not be brought down to installin from scratch a seventh time [05:59] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:59] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) joined ##slackware. [06:00] that's where whole machine backups (excluding transitory data) win the day [06:01] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:02] alphageek: feh.. all i need to get to is Vista SP2 thats it. No config changes.. no data, no nothing.. just Vista + SP1 + SP2 [06:02] oh, windows [06:02] ouch [06:09] Zordrak: heh, my adviser said a vista autoupdate screwed up her laptop a few days ago [06:10] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:10] adviser? [06:12] what is the reason to choose bfs.. pff [06:13] slava_dp [06:14] Agris: Wtf is that comment about? how does changing the framebuffer mode affect whether nouveau gets loaded? [06:14] Zordrak: sorry, screen freezed some pages above. anyway, it's for slava_dp :) [06:15] Agris: no i mean on my blog [06:15] oh, Zordrak, well, it allowed me to install nvidia proprietary driver without disabling nuovoue or whatever it is [06:16] yyyeeaaahh.. ok. [06:17] you could delete that comment if you'd like to :) [06:17] im not one to censor insanity [06:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [06:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:18] :o) [06:19] danix (~danix@host133-55-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:24] Zordrak: phd adviser [06:25] orite [06:27] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:27] >.< BBC Radio 2 DJ saying "i have no idea what the difference is between the world wide web and the Internet" [06:27] Why is that surprising? Most people probably don't. [06:28] They think Comcast or Verizon is their web browser, or IE is their internet service provider. [06:28] He's an educated man.. not Bob from Bristol. [06:28] BBC Radio 2 is the pantheon of educated middle-england. [06:28] Radio DJ.. Educated man? [06:29] So? Where is he educated from? What is his education in? [06:29] Without those details all you're telling me is that the education system in England sucks. :-) [06:29] Im gonna go have this conversation with people who appreciate the context. phrag I'm looking at you. [06:30] Action: phrag arises from his hiding place [06:30] I think it's painfully obvious (and one of the biggest problems of the world) that journalists are almost never educated in anything else. [06:31] phrag: tell me you are at least aware of Radio 2 and know whe Ken Bruce is.. [06:31] *who [06:31] TrineLoecke (TrineLoec@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:31] yeh, think my father listens to him [06:31] haha, just read your comment [06:31] aw dude. no. dude. [06:31] lol, did i just make you feel old? =P [06:32] I know im old dont worry about that. I listen to Radio 4 sometimes [06:32] I age at the speed of a dog. [06:33] tbh, i dont listen to any radio (except some internet radio) [06:33] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] also, i hate the bbc for *trying* to force me to pay license fees [06:33] i drive a lot.. i cant help but. But Radio2 is awesome. better some times than others [06:33] wednesdays are awesome [06:34] wednesday night is Stuart & Maconie from 7.. then at 10 theres a rock show and followed by Trevor Nelson's Motown and similar at 11 [06:35] The only thing that REALLY sucks about Radio 2 is Jeremy dickhead Vine (vho's just started his show now :( ) [06:35] luiss_ (~luiss@host91-122-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Hi, I have just done a fresh intall of slack, but I have no Xorg, how do I do to install new packages, like for example xorg? thanks [06:36] luiss_: did you not choose Full Install? [06:36] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:36] luiss_: ie the one that says **RECOMMENDED** [06:37] Zordrak: no, I have an eee and installed from usb so I put a small slackware 13.1-install-d1 iso on it [06:37] did I do something wrong? [06:38] how big is the HDD on the eee? [06:38] big, 100 GB [06:38] jeesus.. then start again with a full install [06:38] or install everything else at once on top of what you have now [06:38] why? there's not a way to install it from wheere am I? [06:39] On any machine with 20G+ HDD space anything less than a full install is just daft. [06:39] luiss_: yes you can.. sec [06:40] get the packages somehow, then "installpkg ", right? :) [06:40] luiss_: Do this [06:40] Zordrak: I ask this because I think this will be the way to upgrade and install new packages to the slackware, so I'll need it later on [06:40] Zordrak: am I wrong? [06:40] luiss_: assuming that your complete slackware mirror is at /mirror/slackware ... [06:41] Zordrak: or if u have a link whre all this is explained, because I didn't found it et [06:41] yet* [06:41] luiss_: upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/*/*.t?z [06:41] this will download and install all the new packages? [06:42] luiss_: did you not download more than CD1? [06:42] Zordrak: no :D [06:42] slackware doesn't do the downloading for you [06:42] luiss_: then edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to uncomment ONE mirror.. then do: [06:42] slackpkg update [06:42] Zordrak: In fact I followed some tutorial for the eeepc found in internet [06:42] slackpkg upgrade-all [06:42] slackpkg install-new [06:42] except maybe it does with slackpkg :P [06:43] Let mo just repeat that so youre clear and i dont have to repeat myself in stages: [06:43] Action: phrag got back on usenet lastnight =) [06:43] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to uncomment ONE mirror.. then do: slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-new [06:43] phrag: dude is it 1987 up there? [06:44] Zordrak: Thank you very much! [06:44] np [06:48] haha, i missed it =P [06:49] matzenh (~mateus@200.164.217.226) joined ##slackware. [06:52] danix (~danix@host133-55-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:52] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:53] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [06:53] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [06:55] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] luiss_: xorg and a-apps packages are on d2, all kde packages are on d3. [06:55] mgt (~mgt@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [06:56] the 2nd and 3rd CD [06:56] mgt (~mgt@95.87.255.218) left irc: Client Quit [06:56] Zordrak: Sorry, what do u mean by "complete slackware mirror" ? is it the URL of one of the mirrors like "ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/"? [06:56] mgt (~mgt@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [06:56] rrh: thx [06:56] im65KG_ (~coolshoul@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [06:56] luiss_: forget that [06:56] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to uncomment ONE mirror.. then do: slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-new [06:56] Zordrak: ok ty [06:57] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:58] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:58] im65KG (~coolshoul@116.30.143.240) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:58] Nick change: im65KG_ -> im65KG [06:58] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [06:59] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [07:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: bbl [07:04] alphageek: You here by any chance? [07:04] mgt (~mgt@95.87.255.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:06] Nice tool slackpkg, is it by default in the distribution from the slackware-13 or it were here before? [07:06] luiss_: it used to be a 3rd party extra. Its been in slackware for a while now [07:07] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [07:09] im65KG_ (~coolshoul@116.30.143.240) joined ##slackware. [07:11] Do a dependency checker exist for slackpkg? [07:11] no [07:12] luiss_: install ALL of Slackware. [07:12] im65KG (~coolshoul@204.152.211.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:12] Nick change: im65KG_ -> im65KG [07:12] luiss_: if you need anything else, then its up to you to know what dependencies you need for your additions [07:12] luiss_: if you get them from slackbuilds.org (SBo) then it will tell you what des are required. [07:13] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:13] Zordrak: how do I can install ALL? the steps u said does not install additional packages, I have to do a slackpkg install for each one [07:13] luiss_: and getting 3rd party extras from SBo is easiest with sbopkg (http://sbopkg.org) [07:13] luiss_: the steps i told you are perfectly correct.# [07:14] luiss_: when it comes up with the list of packages to be processed just hit return [07:14] luiss_: it doesnt really get more simple [07:14] Zordrak: hehe I imagine it's perfectly correct...I gotta retry, [07:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [07:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Zordrak: What it seems is that some pkgs are not selected for install... [07:16] Zordrak: can u tell what's the step where I select all the pkgs? [07:17] mgt (~mgt@95.87.255.218) joined ##slackware. [07:18] look.. after slackpkg update it shows what its doing updating your list of packages.. then slackpkg upgrade-all shouldnt really do anything because you should have nothing to upgrade.. then slackpkg install-new should pop up an ncurses window with every slackware package you are missing checked.. press return and it starts installing them [07:18] matzenh (mateus@200.164.217.226) left ##slackware. [07:19] Zordrak: slackpkg install-new return "No packages match the pattern for upgrade" is it correct? [07:19] Zordrak , luiss_ "slackpkg install-new" works a bit different than you think [07:19] Zordrak: slackpkg install-new return "No packages match the pattern for install" is it correct? sorry it was install, no upgrade [07:19] alienBOB: orithe [07:20] It is only for packages that were added to the latest official release (i.e. the ChangeLog needs to state "Added") [07:20] alienBOB: ah i see [07:20] alienBOB: i w ill have to go back to the harder instructions that i gave up on earlier :) [07:20] In order to install all missing Slackware packages, run "slackpkg install slackware" [07:20] alienBOB: oo.. good to know about [07:20] luiss_: did you download the 2nd and 3rd installation CD's aswell, or just the 1st one ? [07:21] rrh: just the first [07:21] luiss_: if you know what's good for you, listen to alienBOB [07:21] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:21] alienBOB: Yes it worked as I expected now [07:22] Yes , the slackpkg install slackware show he's going to install a lot of pkgs, that seems bette :D [07:22] alienBOB: if theres an "install slack" target.. any chance theres now an "upgrade slack" target to combine upgrade and install-new? [07:22] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got netsplit. [07:24] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:28] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got lost in the net-split. [07:28] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) joined ##slackware. [07:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:32] User01 (~User01@CPE000d8703fdd9-CM001cea35b4dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [07:32] what's up [07:32] I got a question [07:34] okay.... [07:34] Nick change: mario____ -> mario [07:34] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:34] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-oziegubqguezolsh) joined ##slackware. [07:35] if I install Linux on my desktop with my laptop hd can I swap it back in to my laptop and use it [07:36] danix (~danix@host63-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:36] yes [07:36] but that answer is specific to Slackware not to "Linux" [07:36] ohhh nice how sure are you? [07:36] very [07:36] okay [07:36] Though your disk names might change when you put it back in the laptop. [07:36] http://blog.tpa.me.uk [07:36] so it's not like windows and blue screens [07:36] User01: search for an articl/e on that site called migrating slackware to new hardware [07:37] User01: No. Unsurprisingly Slackware is not "like Windows" [07:37] shhh that's the technical term :) [07:37] I was searching but did not know where to begin thanks [07:38] so it's what windows ppl would consider 'plug and play' [07:38] zordrak: I will do that thanks dude thanks [07:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:39] User01: with slackware it may work. in general, what you're asking, is often hard to do with linux [07:39] bluescreen? na it's repacked as coredump. [07:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:40] 12:34:19 < Zordrak> but that answer is specific to Slackware not to "Linux" [07:40] :) [07:40] User01: you'd be better off installing linux on the machine you're going to use it on [07:40] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/12/03/migrating-slackware-to-new-hardware/ [07:41] its even easier since the libata switch cause now you dant haveto worry about hda vs sda.. its all sda so it will still be after a swap [07:41] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:42] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:43] yep. and thank god for that new standard [07:44] well I can't install it on the target machine unfortunately [07:44] Action: ananke can't believe some people didn't want that [07:44] it overhears and dies [07:44] as a purist i can understand.. but pragmatism overcomes. [07:44] I want to just format the disk install it on another hp amd based system and transfer the hdd [07:44] User01: uhmm, if it overheats and dies, then how do you expect it to work at all? [07:45] it runs os perfect [07:45] just had it on a few days ago [07:45] just on insatll it dies ;) [07:45] for some odd reason [07:46] compiz. porn and all that good stuff don't even make the fan spin [07:46] Zordrak, I fscked up after libata switch many times. Upgraded to recent kernel, did not modify fstab and lilo and... [07:46] so I've been reading up some [07:47] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [07:48] it's a bit funny. when i was saying that libata will come to slackware, some people didn't believe me [07:48] it will save my laptops life [07:49] windows is out of the question lol [07:49] Vanger: its at least extremely easy to fix. [07:50] Not extremely easy to understand, what happened, though [07:50] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-147.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [07:53] User01 (~User01@CPE000d8703fdd9-CM001cea35b4dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:58] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:02] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [08:03] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [08:07] didnt want libata? [08:07] Action: Zordrak cranks phrag up to 75rpm [08:07] was too much potential for break with differing implementations [08:07] i just got back off lunch =P [08:07] slave lag =P [08:08] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] hello, can somebody shed some light on the hal .fdi xml files? i tried to add a custom .fdi and it just seems hal doesn't pick it up... [09:00] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: ZzzzzzZzzzzzz!!!! [09:01] did you restart hal after putting the file in the correct directory? [09:01] yes [09:01] (and rebooted a few times too) [09:01] check the hal log for errors? not sure which one it is, though [09:02] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] bzzz (~user@213.149.138.60) left irc: [09:05] not too much in there either, ran it in foreground [09:05] sahko (~grbzks@62.38.22.47) joined ##slackware. [09:05] sahko (~grbzks@62.38.22.47) left irc: Changing host [09:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:07] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. 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[09:22] ty alisonken1home [09:22] frag (~saq@customers.jarratt.uob.ask4.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:22] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [09:24] How can I install a set of packages (in this case the set related to compiling) like when installing slacks, after installing? [09:25] # cd slackware/d && ./install_packages [09:26] That's on the slackware CD? [09:26] yeah [09:26] okay, thanks [09:27] ./install_packages presents you with a menu. you can also use installpkg *.t?z [09:28] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-111.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] upgradepkg --install-new should probably be considered, if you might already have some of them installed [09:28] thrice`, I don't, but thanks anyways [09:28] theres always slackpkg install x/ [09:28] bellman (~bellman@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] oer whatever [09:29] anybody got a idea how I could make a kernel modul? [09:29] Zordrak, does it even work? never did for me. [09:29] for Linux beagleboard 2.6.29-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Oct 1 13:48:21 CEST 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux [09:29] ive never used it but its supposed to work [09:30] NeanT (~me@188.27.120.240) joined ##slackware. [09:30] slackytude|evil: what exactly are you on about? [09:30] slava_dp: would "slackpkg install d" work as well? [09:30] i can't recall if it handles the disksets [09:30] slackpkg install d <-- indeed works. [09:31] Cyntrox, ^ [09:31] Zordrak, I have a kernel module as source. I need it to run on a ARM device [09:31] slackytude|evil: so compile it [09:31] Zordrak, but I need the kernel source for 2.6.29-omap1, no? [09:32] Zordrak, I need to cross compile [09:32] gah, guess I need some documentation [09:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: =* [09:34] slackytude|evil: you need the kernel headers for that kernel, yes [09:34] right, I think I got them [09:35] at least Im pulling them from some git repo [09:35] slackytude|evil: can you not compile it *on* the arm device? [09:36] I might be able too. I guess I can just push the headers over and try to run the Makefile [09:36] I tried that at first but then I discovered the missing headers [09:36] kernel modules are general pretty small [09:36] yes, its nothing special [09:37] sitwon (~adam@pool-96-241-216-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:37] actually, maybe the headers are avaible per package manager [09:37] whats running on it? [09:38] angstrom [09:38] ah fuck, I need to go, damn [09:38] oh well [09:39] thx Zordrak [09:39] wonder if you could run armedslack on that board [09:39] ang, hrm [09:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:39] ++ [09:39] worth a try I guess [09:39] not sure if I got the time tho [09:39] anyway, need to run [09:42] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:42] slava_dp, a bit late but: awesome! I'll do that once slackpkg is done updating =P [09:43] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:43] luiss_ (~luiss@host91-122-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:43] sitwon (~adam@pool-96-241-216-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Ah, yes, it seems to work. Awesome, no CD pile shuffeling for me =P [09:44] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan38.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:48] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:48] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:51] guys have any of you ever used an appliance called adonis from bluecat? [09:51] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:52] wow.... google-chrome on linux is fast [09:52] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [09:52] lightning fast [09:53] I prefer rekonq on kde :> [09:53] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:54] i'm running straight openbox... my wm is faster [09:54] danix (~danix@host63-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:54] faster than? [09:55] kde desktop and whatever wm it's running [09:55] you installed gconf for chrome? [09:55] it was required [09:55] naturally:) [09:55] you're storing config files in gconf?? so bloated [09:55] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:55] adrien: ping [09:55] that slows you down at least by 3x [09:56] and openbox xml config files x2 [09:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] I wasn't saying chrome was faster than rekonq or others browsers, I'm just saying it's fast on linux... I've used chrome on windows before and it's way faster on linux [09:57] its also featureless [09:57] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:57] debatable [09:58] some people just like a browser to do what it was meant to do.. browse the web [09:58] im65KG (~coolshoul@116.30.143.240) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [09:58] I am growing attached to kde integrated items :> [09:58] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] and it hasn't a decent adblock. [09:59] luiss_ (~luiss@host6-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:59] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan38.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [09:59] yeah i didnt even know youtube was full of ads. is that a feature only supported by chrome? [10:00] google needs to be paid :) [10:00] on konqueror you dont see those even without adblock. i guess you avoid them by not supporting the technology [10:01] Action: nachox stabs thrice` [10:01] Action: XGizzmo bottles the blood to sell to Medic. [10:02] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [10:02] Action: phrag runs cleanup.sh [10:03] chegney: btw there are browsers like that nowadays (to only browse the web). chrome isnt one of those. see for example surf of uzbl [10:03] anyone use sabnzbd [10:04] i think alienBOB does [10:04] ooh, if he had a package would be awesome =) [10:05] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [10:05] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan38.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:05] there's also conkeror :) [10:06] (not KDE; an xul-runner based browser influenced by emacs) [10:06] Action: fred was amazed that's the default browser in debian lenny + xfce [10:06] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.128) joined ##slackware. [10:07] nothing like combining two of the most bloated linux projects in to one, eh? [10:07] weird indeed [10:07] hah [10:11] heh, emacs [10:13] Does UTF-8 support have to be added at lilo? [10:13] sure [10:13] only if you want utf8 support in console (not terminal) [10:14] I only need it for www/mysql [10:14] then just add the kdei set [10:14] (if using kde) [10:14] no GUI. [10:15] no gui means lilo append vt_utf8=1 (I think that's the command) [10:15] yeh, im not sure kdei would add support to apache/mysql? [10:15] vt.default_utf8=1 [10:15] yep [10:15] vi /etc/lilo.conf and change the vt.default_utf8=1 in the append line [10:15] mmm no lilo since it's a vps, bolloks [10:15] phrag: I have uploaded all dependencies for sabnzbd but not (yet) a package for sabnzbd itself [10:15] rerun lilo and reboot [10:16] alienBOB: oh that is good news, i was having trouble on my initial attempt at building lastnight [10:16] it is something i really want to get working tho [10:16] Once it runs, it is an ideal solution [10:16] think i failed at some php module [10:16] well, that is just for the terminal to support it. it shouldn't affect whether or not your website can support it [10:17] phrag: look in my ChangeLog for the 'Sat Mar 20 20:38:00 UTC 2010' entry [10:17] alienBOB: do you have the deps somewhere? i could give it a shot tonight [10:17] will do, cheers =) [10:18] alienBOB: let me know when you do pls (or i'll watch your blogs/changelog closely) [10:18] zaltekk what would then? [10:19] nickstolen: settings for your webserver and database [10:19] phrag: then subscribe to the RSS feed... [10:22] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D421.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Nick change: bjx -> bsjones [10:24] having an rss feed for your blog's changelog is big time [10:25] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:25] alienBOB: oh i'm a close follower =) [10:25] in fact, your blog/rss are one of the only ones i check *every* day =P [10:26] Action: thrice` is waiting to see how kde 4.5 turned out :> [10:28] zaltekk: The default is either ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8, depending on whether the underlying file system is unicode or not. From apache notes so seems like it does matter. [10:29] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D421.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:29] thrice`: I am currently applying a small fix to one package, and then I will write another blog post about 4.5.beta2 [10:30] I am not all that happy with the beta as compared to 4.4.x which is stable and nice... but testing the beta (and reporting the bugs) is the only thing to make it stable [10:31] Overnight I will also build 32bit packages but I think I'll upload the 64bit packages tonight, regardless [10:32] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D421.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] melug-south (~cpunches@72.95.97.163) left irc: [10:34] how do you get so much done, i mean besides being an alien [10:34] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [10:36] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [10:37] Skywise: work like a beast [10:38] i've tried that, it just makes me tired [10:38] lol [10:38] lmao [10:39] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] it used to be "work like a dog" - then someone got the bright idea that dogs are just house ornaments :) [10:40] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan38.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:40] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:40] dogs were beasts of burden in europe [10:40] there are several breeds that hauled carts [10:40] also Alaska. Mush! [10:41] thought they were more of a shepherds friend than beast of burden in eu - although I can see them being BoB in the asian continent [10:41] and AK of course [10:41] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:41] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:41] sahko: pong [10:42] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:43] adrien: mind a quickie pm? [10:43] uh oh - "quickie" time [10:43] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:43] :) [10:45] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:45] sahko: sure [10:45] alisonken1home: ^^ [10:45] ok here i come:) [10:45] (will need a few seconds to clean the window mess on top of irssi ;-) ) [10:46] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:47] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.71) joined ##slackware. [10:48] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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I am so blind I can't find it under sources in ftp [10:55] nickstolen: you can retrieve the original passwd file from http://mirrors.kernel.org/slackware/slackware-13.1/source/a/etc/_etc.tar.gz [10:55] thx [10:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:58] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [10:58] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [11:00] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:01] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:01] alienBOB, ah, cool. too bad about stability :( [11:01] though, since I do not use kdepim software, I wouldn't mind playing around with them [11:02] http://www.daniweb.com/news/story288147.html <-- nice spoof on linux distro naming [11:02] luiss_ (~luiss@host6-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:03] my distro is gonna be names yabuntu-ng [11:03] most inovvative name ever [11:04] niee (~user@213.149.138.60) joined ##slackware. [11:04] s/names/named [11:04] that sounds like something I'd do :) [11:04] thrice`: KDE 4.5 is going to ship the kdepim that is part of KDE 4.4.x [11:04] Action: fred hides from straterra and thrice` [11:05] bsjones (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:05] i fell asleep reading that list alisonken1home [11:05] Oak (~silas@119.154.107.212) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Oak (~silas@119.154.107.212) left irc: Changing host [11:05] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:07] http://pastebin.com/hNsCJ43X ... is this typical when building xine-lib? [11:07] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:08] yes [11:09] qt just took 25 hours to compile on my alpha :) [11:09] hi, anyone to help me? http://img249.imageshack.us/f/69945234.png/ [11:09] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [11:11] fred, :> [11:13] niee: sounds like bad hardware. [11:14] alisonken1home: did you write it? [11:14] ]; [11:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:14] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:15] craytoon (~craytoon@65.103.249.182) joined ##slackware. [11:15] thumbs : may be procesor? [11:15] niee: perhaps it's overheating. [11:16] ok, tnx thumbs:) [11:16] i blame virtual box [11:16] ang: I've never seen virtualbox do that. [11:17] heck, I'll try to install 13.1 right now in it. [11:17] luiss_ (~luiss@host6-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:17] i've installed it successfully as well....but you never know... [11:18] 13.1 crashed in virtualbox for me [11:18] running on windows host [11:19] slackytude|evil: really? [11:19] i've had it crash under linux before, but that was version 1.5 or 1.6 . something pretty old [11:20] niee: it may not be a hardware issue after all. [11:20] didn't touch it again until 3.2 .... i'm still partial to qemu [11:20] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] if you have kvm, keep it ;-) [11:20] yes [11:21] my cpu is too old for kvm-qemu [11:21] my version Virtual Box 3.0.2 [11:21] niee: try the latest and greatest [11:21] oks ang [11:22] thumbs, yes [11:22] thumbs, newest virtualbox version too [11:22] thumbs, but the host pc was crap [11:22] well, I'd go for vbox then (kqemu is being deprecated afaik) [11:23] thumbs, I also managed to shot down virtualbox *and* my slackware host [11:23] shoot [11:23] slackytude|evil: really? [11:23] when I did Intel assembly inside a dos vm [11:23] vbox is a top crasher [11:23] yes, really [11:23] wow, I've never had issues with virtualization. [11:23] look at kerneloops.org [11:24] no, it's vbox, its kernel module is a bit crashy [11:28] have any of you ever tried slackware as a dom0 with xen? 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[11:35] alreadygone_ (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:35] batmayne: no, 13.1 just came out [11:36] sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:36] slackytude|evil: really? I run it as a domU, but i've never found anyone who runs it as the dom0 [11:37] ang, yeah, people talked about it in here. cant recall names tho. [11:37] ang, probably not the best answer [11:38] sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Thomark (~Thomark@79-100-171-79.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:44] how can i easily compare two files? [11:44] some conf files im looking at [11:44] use diff [11:45] vimdiff [11:45] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [11:45] thanks so much easier [11:46] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:46] vimdiff is awesome. [11:46] yeah thats what im using right now [11:47] batmayne: sdiff file1 file2 |less [11:47] so many options [11:47] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-mohqblzowkpepyde) joined ##slackware. [11:47] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-mohqblzowkpepyde) left ##slackware. [11:47] how fast will i break slack if i use a 13.1 repo on 13.0 [11:47] i should really upgrade [11:48] Depends on what you install... But you'll probably break a lot :-) [11:49] batmayne: don't do it. [11:49] batmayne: you might as well install -current packages on 13.0, it'll produce the same result. [11:54] fidesrat1o (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:54] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan38.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:56] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [11:56] I accidentally deletec /boot/System.map-generic-2.6.33.4 [11:56] How can I recover it? [11:56] *deleted [11:57] 13.1 compiles in theory use new calls to the C library which would not work on 13.0. [11:57] The configuration variable KEEPLOG is expected to be set to either YES or NO [11:57] .case insensitive). Its current value instead is YES [11:57] I seriously went what at this. [11:57] not all compiles will make use of "new" calls though. so it's a bit of russian roulette. also some will link to libs with abi changes (e.g. libpng) [12:00] johndee (~id@95-29-187-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:01] crocket, re-install the package it comes in... [12:01] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [12:01] mancha, ok [12:02] in your case you want kernel-generic i believe (that package) [12:04] Agris (~agris@80.232.193.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:04] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [12:04] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:05] were can i find dvbscan ? I remember it was a part of some package, maybe dvb-utils [12:05] but since 13.0 [12:06] are you sure it's part of the official distrib? [12:06] http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa10-01.html heh [12:08] batman (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Nick change: batman -> Guest37360 [12:08] Just updated sbopkg and merged my new conf with the old one and I got this "ERROR [12:08] sbopkg: Unexpected value in KEEPLOG [12:08] " [12:08] Channel flood from Guest37360 -- kicking [12:08] The configuration variable KEEPLOG is expected to be set to either YES or NO [12:08] Guest37360 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:09] Guest37360 (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [12:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:09] Nick change: Guest37360 -> totallynotaguest [12:09] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:10] batmayne (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:12] Nick change: totallynotaguest -> batmayne [12:12] johndee (~id@93-81-69-169.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:12] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:13] batmayne: and in your config file, what is KEEPLOG set to? [12:14] its set to YES [12:15] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:15] copy your config file to http://pastebin.slackadelic.com [12:15] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/KbiPv541.html [12:17] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] alisonken1home: ping? [12:21] batmayne: hmm that more or less looks the same like mine |: not sure what is going wrong there. [12:21] yeah I feel somewhat dumbfounded. [12:22] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:22] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:22] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:22] batmayne: since it pretty much looks identical to the standard config try over writing it. (after backing up your orginal conf of coruse) [12:22] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:25] is kwallet an official package? [12:25] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:25] it's probably a part of kdeapps [12:26] I tried doing `slackpkg search kwallet` and it wasn't found [12:26] Axius (~fd@92.82.66.182) joined ##slackware. [12:29] it's not on slackbuilds either [12:30] I just looked at the index for a mirror and can't find the package either [12:30] Agris (~agris@109.110.14.180) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Agris (~agris@109.110.14.180) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:30] http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/ [12:30] package doesn't exist [12:31] chegney: you're assuming it's a separate package [12:31] chegney: check MANIFEST.bz2 [12:33] ananke, you should read slackpkg's man-page, which would show you that 'search' hunts file names also [12:33] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:33] hi [12:33] i have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:33] cr3_, don't panic! [12:33] just xorg.conf-vesa [12:33] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] by default, it's not used or needed [12:34] but everything works [12:34] chegney: kwallet is part of kdeutils [12:34] cr3_: So what's the problem? :-) [12:34] thrice`: you're a bit confused. i'm not the one needing help. [12:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] there's "touchpad device not found" when i open touchpad settings-plugin for kde4 [12:34] so i wanted to add "synaptics" or something in xorg.conf [12:34] ananke, you implied searching the manifest was different, when 'slackpkg search' does exactly the same [12:35] but there's no xorg.conf [12:35] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:35] ah yes... I did file-search and found it [12:35] thrice`: no, i didn't imply searching manifest. i directly suggested using manifest.bz2. [12:35] cr3_: Either create an xorg.conf or create a HAL fdi file for your touchpad. [12:35] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@175.sub-97-198-111.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [12:35] i don't know what's HAL fdi file [12:36] and if i create xorg.conf everything will mess up probably because i don't know what is supposed to be in there [12:36] ananke, sure, but why? slackpkg search does this [12:36] cr3_: Create it with 'Xorg -configure' and you will get the same default configuration Xorg uses without an xorg.conf file. [12:36] ok... [12:37] thrice`: why? because it works. again, you should be addressing the person who was asking for help [12:37] adamk, thx [12:37] it's not ananke's fault... I performed slackpkg search rather than file-search [12:38] chegney, are you on an older slackware version? [12:38] Thomark (~Thomark@79-100-171-79.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Thomark [12:38] no, 13.1 [12:38] haha a douche in every channel he is in [12:38] ah, ok :) [12:39] ananke aren [12:39] Thomark (~Thomark@79-100-171-79.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] 't you a opensuse user? [12:39] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-oziegubqguezolsh) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:40] anyone tried installing Adobe AIR yet? [12:40] It keeps telling me I need gnome-keyring or kwallet [12:41] luiss_ (~luiss@host6-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:41] I just installed kwallet [12:41] maybe something isn't running though? [12:41] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ytfutgojknrenhkd) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Anders_ (~Anders@3e6b3763.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [12:42] Anders_ (Anders@3e6b3763.rev.stofanet.dk) left ##slackware. [12:43] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Aidar-Nagato (admin@81.30.177.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [12:46] oh for dumb [12:46] it requires you to be on a system that uses either RPM or DEB packagemanagement [12:48] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Slackware has rpm too [12:48] can one make more than 1 LVM volume group using the same partition? [12:48] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [12:49] dustybin: no. [12:49] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:49] right ok [12:49] dustybin: of course, you can make multiple logical volumes within that single vg sitting on that single pv [12:49] i think its better to use the whole partition, i will then have more control [12:50] ananke: indeed [12:50] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [12:51] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@175.sub-97-198-111.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:51] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] there is no advantage having more than 1 volume group on the same hard drive [12:51] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] dustybin: that really depends on what you want to accomplish [12:52] ananke: i like to make use of the disk space, once i start using more than 1 partition, i will need to balance stuff [12:52] then imagine, i needed to resize the whole parition [12:52] luiss_ (~luiss@host80-184-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:52] eeeek messy [12:53] dustybin: if the partition is adjecent, you could resize the pv [12:53] hmm [12:53] but what advantage is there? [12:53] i have a nice new volume group label [12:53] but apart from that? not much [12:54] more disadvantages than advantages [12:55] not sure what you're talking about. i was talking about resizing the pv, while retaining your single vg [12:55] and when you're talking about advantages/disadvantages, you're not listing any [12:55] at the moment i have done this [12:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:56] /dev/sda1 1 60801 488384001 fd Linux raid autodetect [12:56] that is one big partition, RAID1 mirror [12:56] 2 hard drives [12:57] then i created a LVM volumge group using the whole partition [12:57] the whole hard drive space [12:57] batmayne (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:57] so now i can create logical volumes when i please [12:58] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:59] right. so what's the problem? [12:59] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] imagine i setup the partitions as [12:59] /dev/sda1 [12:59] /dev/sda2 [12:59] and had pv for each [12:59] vg i mean [13:00] but then i ran out of space on sda1 [13:00] why would you want to do that? [13:00] would re-sizing pv be dangerous [13:00] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ananke: who knows, i might run out of space on sda1 but need to take some space from sda2 [13:01] that is messy?! [13:02] dustybin: my question is why would you want to have multiple vgs? you haven't stated what you want to accomplish, so of course that scenario seems more restrictive [13:03] my system disk will be used for the host os (slackware) + virtual machines [13:03] so i was thinking maybe i should of setup 2x vgs, 1 for host, 1 for vms [13:04] dustybin: no reason to use two volume groups for that [13:04] ace :D [13:04] ananke: why would people need 2x vgs? [13:04] just create individual LVs as needed [13:04] yep! [13:05] dustybin: if they have or plan on having more PVs, or if they want to migrate them later to different pvs [13:05] right i see [13:05] thanks :D [13:11] what window manager does kde use by default? [13:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:11] chegney: kwin [13:11] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:11] ananke: can that be changed? [13:12] um [13:12] chegney: quite possibly [13:12] so how do i create hal fdi for touchpad [13:13] or what shhould i add in xorg conf for touchpad [13:13] to have it not greyed out in settings [13:13] so that i can set it up [13:14] because i'm not setting it up in text mode by experimenting [13:14] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:14] Thomark (Thomark@79-100-171-79.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware. [13:15] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-251-45-202.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:17] do you guys use dedicated disk for backups / snapshots [13:18] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [13:19] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) joined ##slackware. [13:19] i don't [13:19] dustybin: there is no single answer for that. it all depends [13:19] lisak (~a@77.93.201.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:20] i need to backup my host os + vms + 2 remote servers [13:20] i dont think its a good idea doing it n the same pv as the os and vms [13:21] again, it depends [13:21] ok [13:21] i hate doing stuff manually, my backup system will have to be transparent [13:21] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:22] of course, it's better to back up to another disk, since that lessens chances of you losing all data. but that doesn't mean you can't back up some data on your existing disk, as a secondary backup [13:23] aye indeed [13:23] in a ideal world the backup should be remote [13:23] if you install a slackbuild manuall, not using sbopkg and you want to reinstall it setting an environment variable on the commandline, how do you do that? [13:24] i edit the slackbuild script [13:24] but maybe that is wrong.. [13:25] If I just do `VAR=Value ./app.SlackBuild` will that reinstall it? [13:25] im not sure [13:25] Cyntrox (~Cyntrox@190.10.189.109.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- [13:26] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [13:26] is it good practice to mount extra partitons you have in /mnt ? [13:26] is that what mount is designed for? [13:27] or is /mnt designed for temporary mounts, like cdrom / usb etc [13:28] dustybin: /mnt used to be for whatever you wanted it for, but according to http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ it's for temp mounts [13:28] sometimes they make sense; sometimes they don't [13:28] right ok! thats that sorted then [13:29] i will find a new place for my lvs [13:29] they created the redundant (IMO) /media for permanent mounts [13:29] s/created/defined/ [13:30] /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem [13:30] /media : Mount point for removeable media [13:30] a lv is not removable ! [13:30] kalakoer (~kalakoer-@88-196-188-224-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i dont like the idea of creating another dir in the root [13:31] since things get hotplugged in /media, its in reality the other way around [13:31] chegney: that's the correct syntax but it'll only recreate the package - you'd still need to installpkg [13:32] Axius (~fd@92.82.66.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:32] dustybin: so don't - as long as it's happy and you're happy, put it wherever you want [13:32] slakmagik: do I need to issue an option on installpkg to tell it i'm reinstalling? [13:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:33] slakmagik: im a purist, it needs to go in the correct place, otherwise i feel uncomfortable [13:33] well, there is an option to upgradepkg, but you can just installpkg again [13:34] dustybin: I understand - well, then read the fhs and do whatever it says that makes you comfortable [13:34] ok :D [13:35] actually, 'upgradepkg --reinstall' would be better now that I think on it [13:35] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:39] slakmagik: thanks [13:41] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-251-45-202.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:42] ls [13:42] what do you guys use to rip youtube videos [13:43] is a hard drive removeable media? [13:43] as in a hard drive in the box [13:43] screwed in [13:44] no, its not [13:44] credo (~credo@80.233.147.119) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:44] right, so that means i should not mount partitions in /media or /mnt [13:44] floppies, cds, dvds and usb drives are removable media [13:44] yep [13:45] there is no official place to mount permanent partitions [13:45] you can mount whatever you want wherever you want [13:45] i will create new dirs ! [13:45] but mount it where you want that space to be used at [13:45] yep [13:45] yes, you can do that as well [13:45] if you're a purist, /mnt is where you mount things - regardless of their removability [13:46] you could mount it as home [13:46] mancha: mnt Mount point for mounting a filesystem temporarily [13:46] and? [13:46] my logical volumes are not temporary [13:46] are you planning on mounting it permanently? even after your're dead? after the media died and got rusty? :) [13:47] heh [13:47] after armageddon? [13:47] thats prolly when he'd need it most [13:47] i think i need to create some new dirs /vms /backup etc [13:48] dustybin: mount them where they make logical sense to you [13:48] yep! [13:48] kuzame (kazuya@mc.phreaklabs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] hi [13:48] i wonder if the FHS will allow me to create new dirs in the root [13:49] :-S [13:49] there isn't really a rhyme or reason why the slack directory tree is as it is, we just keep it that way [13:49] you do whatever you want [13:49] anyone can help me? [13:49] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:49] i doubt it [13:49] Action: dustybin feels scared [13:49] dustybin: do it. [13:50] especially since you haven't said whats wrong, i'd bet no one could [13:50] how to setup a slackware server? [13:50] oh noez [13:50] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [13:50] hello all [13:50] kuzame: How to properly form a sentence? [13:50] please someone help me with wine on slackware 13.0 [13:50] ne7work: maybe if you said what the problem was [13:51] how to install :D rofl [13:51] :9 [13:51] :( [13:51] what have you tried besides nothing? [13:51] give me some link for help or anything please help me ;d [13:51] i'm never try :D [13:51] well you're not ready for help yet [13:51] I have a slackware server ... but I do not know how to setup and command on ssh [13:51] ne7work: i believe there is a slack package on wine's site [13:51] ne7work: no, give us more information first. what have you done to try and solve the problem yourself? [13:52] ne7work: you may want to cut down on the number of times you say 'help' and 'rofl', and focus on providing actual information. it seems for every question you ask, there is usually 10 lines of 'help me' [13:52] well [13:52] i go here to download wine http://sourceforge.net/projects/wine/files/Slackware%20Packages/ [13:52] ne7work: also, type more than one word per sentence. [13:52] and when i download the wine how to install? [13:53] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:53] ne7work: www.slackbuilds.org [13:53] ne7work: x86 or x86_64 system? [13:53] thumbs, okay my english is not so good [13:53] x86 [13:53] ne7work: you should be able to just install the slackpkg on wine's webiste [13:53] ne7work: pressing the enter key too often will get annoying fast for us. [13:54] ne7work: alternately, slackbuilds.org has a package for it. [13:54] please give me more information on internet some link for this please [13:54] google.com [13:54] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-152-85.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Action: jgeboski dips the spoon in the google jar and put the spoon in ne7work's mouth [13:55] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:55] how can i edit any file with vim or what? [13:56] ... [13:56] chegney (chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [13:56] (01:52:42 PM) Skywise: google.com [13:56] .. [13:57] kuzame (kazuya@mc.phreaklabs.net) left ##slackware. [13:57] niee (~user@213.149.138.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:57] you can use any text file editor to edit a text file [13:57] nickstolen: pong [13:57] Skywise i need to edit this file with root priviliages [13:57] but i can login as root [13:57] and ready [13:58] okay :) [13:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Skywise i have this problem with http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [13:58] with 13.1.. [13:58] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:58] how to fix it? [13:59] ne7work: first you said you were on 13.0 and now 13.1 [13:59] i dunno [13:59] with add /sbin/route add default gw $4 of the bottom of ip-up ? [13:59] chess because i have only this problem with pppoe connection for my internet on slackware 13.1 [14:00] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.140) joined ##slackware. [14:00] and now i burn disk image to dvd and go to install slackware 13.0 x86 [14:01] when i'm adduser ne7work [14:01] how can i set privilages to this user [14:01] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-152-85.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:01] You want 13.1 [14:02] yes i want 13.1 [14:02] ? [14:02] 13.1 is perfectly fine [14:02] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-152-85.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] on 13.1 I have this problem with pppoe and i can't fix my internet connection [14:02] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.47.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:02] on 13.0 works fine pppoe [14:06] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.47.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:07] josefig (~Jose@unaffiliated/josefig) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:09] hm.. would it be much work to upgrade a slackware 10.2 kernel 2.4 to slack13 and kernel 2.6.x ? [14:09] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: [14:10] andarius (andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("my mind cant take this and work..."). [14:11] C00re: in a word, yes [14:14] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] you probably be better off reinstaling 13.1 from fresh. [14:14] i suppose so [14:14] too much differencies i assume [14:14] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Femaq (~Femaq@78.63.176.77) left irc: Client Quit [14:23] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] C00re: is it possible? try it! :P [14:25] luiss_ (~luiss@host80-184-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:26] :P [14:26] dont you take "the computer doesnt do that" as a personal issue [14:26] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [14:27] i did that .. with this other dist.. i wont use its name here.. we usually call it the brown thing(with dep track) .. from 6 to 9 [14:27] either upgrade or try to find a way to backup data somehow before a fresh install [14:27] ended up kind of nasty [14:28] nvision (~nvision@g225063160.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] and thats 6 upgrades i think because this brown goo releases twice a year [14:28] niee (~user@213.149.138.60) joined ##slackware. [14:29] 'tar' can preserve permissions and such right [14:29] yes [14:29] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:29] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] having a problem with kde that hopefully someone can help me with [14:30] ah yea.. that brings up another question.. backup mysql databaes, simple [14:31] ah yea.. that brings up another question.. backup mysql databaes, simple 'tar' som files or? [14:31] (accidently pressed enter, lol) [14:31] when I try to login to the default KDE session, the box in the middle of the screen displays the icons up to the final KDE icon, then locks up hard like I can't do anything but power off [14:31] C00re: no quite [14:31] logging into a KDE/Openbox session works fine [14:31] C00re: no update for you T_T [14:31] here's what I recommend for those of you doing mysql backups: http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/ [14:31] ok [14:32] that will put the files to nice files that you can then backup with the rest of your backup set to disk or what not [14:33] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:35] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:35] I have two cpus, each with 8gb ram in their own slots.. can a program access both banks of ram if only running on one core? [14:36] depends on how the program is written - but ram is accessed "randomly" - the only differrnce in banks is in hardware and how ram is accessed by the hardware - not by the cpu [14:36] raela, ^^^ [14:37] re [14:37] ah, okay, thanks. I somehow got it in my head that something ran from one cpu only had access to ram from it ;/ [14:37] alisonken1home: Wanted to ask what kind of wifi card you have. It is not Intel wireless, is it? [14:38] cache in the cpu is accessible by only that cpu, true. there are some multicpu systems that have specific areas of ram reserved by each cpu, but that's shared ram. have to look at the hardware specs [14:38] johndee, the laptop is intel, yes [14:38] an hp laptop from about 6 years ago (handme down) [14:38] alisonken1home: Dang! I wanted to blame drivers, but now I can't... [14:39] %) [14:39] :) [14:39] raela: well, actually, you're right but it's more complex than that: if it's not on the current cpu's memory, it'll be transferred over to its memory [14:39] form a performance point of view, it's horrible [14:39] johndee, and I spend sunday night putting 13.1 on it :) [14:40] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [14:40] heh, but in this case, if it didn't do it, it couldn't run anyway [14:40] so I guess taking a performance hit isn't that bad [14:40] it can be more than a hit [14:40] especially considering it was heavily swapping, too [14:40] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:40] ;-) [14:40] j0z (mp3@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:40] well, between unable to run at all vs. being horrible inefficient.. [14:41] when I try to login to the default KDE session, the box in the middle of the screen displays the icons up to the final KDE icon, then locks up hard like I can't do anything but power off [14:42] raela: you can bruteforce ssh keys too [14:42] it'll eventually finish [14:42] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] chegney, check ~/.xsession-errors [14:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.44) joined ##slackware. [14:47] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.47.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:47] i am trying to play this blip.tv video and my firefox says it requires a plugin to play wmv... whats the way to get around it [14:47] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:48] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:48] alisonken1home: I installed it a couple of days ago too. Looks good so far. And KDE folks seem to have found an interface guy who knows his job :] [14:48] hello ppl [14:48] howdy [14:48] johndee, yep [14:48] aziztcf: I have no clue to look at in that file [14:48] still not sure about the bubble theme, though :) [14:48] any report of X from slack 13.1 works with Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D410 ? [14:49] sorry, the grafic cpu from Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D410 [14:49] chegney, log in as root - "cd ~" then "less .xsession-errors" [14:50] from a console [14:51] raela: the memory on cpu cards is more of a design architecture, it doesn't affect ability to address entire memory. it's simply a shared memory system. [14:51] http://pastebin.com/evZxeTh1 [14:52] alisonken1home: What's that? Makes me think of KDE's default wallpaper from 13.0 [14:52] ananke: ah, okay. one of these stupid bioinformatics tools is driving me crazy.. hogging about 23 GB in ram+swap for over 24 hours.. bah [14:52] alisonken1home: what am I looking for though? [14:52] johndee, yeah - the bubbles in the splash screen login [14:52] raela: as long as you're not thrashing, you ought to be ok [14:53] chegney the bottom section (in the 600 line range) indicates you're missing some stuff - did you do a full install? [14:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Action: ananke just had a vm guest killed by one of those bioinformatics home grown tools [14:53] ananke: this is just building an index.. everything else took about 3 hours to do it, and this is still step one of 10 [14:54] chegney, also, line 469 [14:55] I did `slackpkg install kde` that should have pulled everything, correct? [14:55] and line 521 indicates a gui failure so it can't display the output [14:55] no - you still need the libs from qt (among other things) - did you install l/ and x/ series? [14:56] everything from x i did [14:56] and l/ (L as in librarires)? [14:56] I'm pretty sure installed all of those [14:57] is this error when you login as root or as a user? [14:57] user [14:57] didn't try root [14:57] alisonken1home: Ah. Didn't notice it :) [14:57] try root and see if it does the same [14:58] also, how did you start the gui? startx? kdm gui login? [14:58] kdm login [14:59] I could knock my runlevel back to 3 and try start x [14:59] startx [14:59] Action: craytoon wonders how a homology search can bring down a well built vm [14:59] just try login as root first [14:59] raela: what tool is that btw? [14:59] ananke: bfast [14:59] well let me try logging in as root first, be back in a bit [15:00] chegney (chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [15:00] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [15:00] raela: interesting, haven't seen that one before [15:00] bfast is the standard lol [15:01] ananke: it's another aligner, but it uses a different algorithm than bwa/bowtie [15:01] craytoon: you do bioinformatics as well? [15:01] raela: i see it uses blat [15:01] you bet [15:02] raela: he doesn't. but he likes me for some reason. he takes special interest in anything i say [15:02] it uses a hash table that is driving me totally nuts :) everything else? index with one command. bfast? 10, using random hash keys that make no sense, ugh [15:02] also it has the least friendly documentation of them all [15:03] https://secure.genome.ucla.edu/index.php/BFAST [15:03] ananke ask me a question [15:04] raela: not surprising [15:04] craytoon: so if you do next generation stuff.. which platform [15:04] linux [15:04] pascal and apl [15:04] see :) [15:04] ananke: it better have some great results compared to all the rest, given the trouble it has given me.. haha [15:04] yeah.. I see now, ananke [15:04] I giggled [15:04] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D421.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] ever heard of rna pseuoknots? [15:06] did you find that on wikipedia? [15:08] didn't think so - what about seleno-cysteine? [15:08] sounds stinky [15:08] what codon evolved into it? and in what 'organism' [15:08] craytoon: what relavance do these questions have to ##slackware ? [15:09] using slackware linux as os for coding :) [15:10] great contributions is slackware doing [15:10] craytoon, actually, for non-slackware-distro questions there's an off-topic channel as well :) [15:10] Your signal to noise ratio is pretty low craytoon [15:10] despiron (~despiron@187.64.108.146) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:10] The offtopic channel may suit you better [15:11] alienBOB: hint read up abit and see the excessive noise about this your buddy ananke did [15:13] craytoon: indeed - he is a long-standing regular, you're not [15:13] Plus, earlier on he made valid points while you attacked him for no reason [15:13] raela: here's a good quick & annotated list of software, which may be of some use for you: http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43 [15:13] show this? [15:14] I can email you the channel log if you want [15:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:15] so he needs your protection ? from? [15:15] ananke: yep, thanks. trust me.. I've worked my way down the list, trying them. I currently have about 19 I've installed and tried (aligners, assemblers, and viewers) [15:15] ananke: I've been reading seqanswers regularly since I started this [15:15] Jun 08 18:36:35 haha a douche in every channel he is in [15:15] Jun 08 18:37:06 ananke aren [15:15] 't you a opensuse user? [15:15] craytoon, I wouldn't push too hard right now [15:15] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:15] estranho (estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:15] And that was after ananke gave good info about looking for package files [15:16] estranho (estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Client Quit [15:16] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:16] raela: that seems to be the biggest issue in this field: finding software, trying to get it going and learning how to use it. i've seen that effort being repeated in multiple groups [15:16] Including trying to remain polite about thrice` 's incorrect statements about "slackpkg search" ;-) [15:17] ananke: it's great that there are so many options, but then again.. availability of documentation, help, etc varies as well. plus, sometimes things just throw odd errors, and nothing is standardized (like 3 or 4 fastq formats, ugh) [15:17] how is this stuff now ontopic? [15:17] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) joined ##slackware. [15:17] craytoon: and the fact that those were your first words in this channel, makes you look like you follow ananke for the purpose of stalking and bashing [15:18] ananke: one I've been trying to run seqfaults nearly instantly if I try to do the entire genome instead of one chromosome, and the other just gives an odd error.. advice I got was "probably bad permissions or not enough hdd space".. oh well [15:18] estranho (estranho@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [15:18] estranho (estranho@devio.us) left irc: Changing host [15:18] estranho (estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Noob question: How do I open ports under slackware 13? Is it using iptables? I've googled, but what I've found is for slackware 10 and says that all ports are open by default. [15:18] On-topic is what channel rules _and_ regulars _and_ ops decide is on-topic [15:18] valkenar: correct [15:18] valkenar: by default all ports are open [15:19] he told me he was an opensuse user i had idea he was in slackware - notice i am not in opensuse - bad call and assumption and libelous on your part [15:19] pnq (asdf@ACA4A80B.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] OPen ports does not mean there is something listening on those ports [15:19] craytoon: did someone say everyone in here has to be on slackware? [15:19] valkenar, ports are opened by the server daemons - iptables allows you to control external access to those ports [15:19] Hmm, must be I've configured postgresql wrong then. I can connect to it on 5432 from localhost, but from outside my network I can't, and my router logs show the connection being passed through. [15:19] raela: bwa is especially guilty of it. segfaults all the time, if you try to use larger sets. [15:20] craytoon: I advise you at this point, to be less verbose and turn your attention to Slackware, and helping others here - after all, this is a Slackware support channel, not the pub on friday [15:20] valkenar, check your postgresql log and see if they got to the right server and right port [15:20] ananke: yep.. that's the exact one that's throwing segfaults. works great chromosome by chromosome, assumed it was the ram so I got more.. nope, should be good now. makes me wonder if my reference genome is at fault [15:20] valkenar: when you telnet to that port from outside, what happens? [15:21] From outside it just kind of do nothing. Embarassingly I don't have actual telnet, so I'm using a mud client, but nmap shows the port as "closed" [15:21] ok, want on topic? [15:21] valkenar: does your isp have it blocked? [15:23] hibernate issues on 32/13.1. specifically, X locks hard on thaw with my ati rage 128 (uses r128.ko). I've googled for the last hour or so but have come up empty [15:23] suggestions for things I could try? [15:23] It doesn't seem to be. On my router I was able to set up the port forwarding rule, and looking at the logs, I can see the connection come in and be passed along. [15:24] Right now I'm double-checking my postgresql configuration to see if there's any reason it would reject outside connections. The startup logs for it don't show anything. [15:25] alienBOB: actually the first words i saw after entering the channel were your buddy insulting a user - i didn't expect him here - [15:25] Sadly I'm a noob to all of this so I don't really know what I'm doing with my postgresql config either. Maybe I should see if there's a #postgresql [15:26] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:26] valkenar, if you want to pm me the ip, I can try telnet to it [15:27] valkenar: lsof -i :5432 | grep LISTEN [15:27] alisonken1home: I tried logging into a kde session as root and that didn't work either [15:27] bfte (~bfte@200-204-54-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:27] valkenar: see if it shows '*' [15:27] chegney, sounds like it missed a step in the setup - can you do a fresh full install? [15:27] hi! [15:28] postmaste 24962 postgres 3u IPv4 225912 TCP localhost:postgresql (LISTEN) [15:28] alisonken1home: I then knocked my runlevel back to 3 and tried to startx as my user with xinit.kde chosen in xwmconfig and it still failed [15:28] ok - it's only listening on localhost - need to tell postrgress to listen on your eth interface as well [15:28] valkenar: is that the only line? if so, it means it's listening only on the localhost [15:28] Ah [15:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:29] That was indeed the only line. [15:29] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [15:29] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:30] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) joined ##slackware. [15:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:30] craytoon: my channel log does not show any "insulting". Care to elaborate? [15:31] Thanks for the tips, it does seem to be a postgres config issue. [15:31] alienBOB: already cleared the screen - lets move on eh? [15:32] Nope [15:32] You are accusing ananke now of insult [15:32] narhen (~henrik@90.149.34.19) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Prove it or leave [15:34] alienBOB: craytoon bugs ananke quite a bit.. I've had to deal with this same issue in ##linux, Just an FYI. [15:34] alienBOB: btw you might want to take a lesson from alisonken1home of how not to act like someone with 'real' power then someone with epenis issues. btw reflect on how skanke cried to you (i'm assuming he did as usual) kinda cute this situation - [15:34] Dominian: he has you too lol [15:34] craytoon, you might want to learn about the channel ops here before making blanket statements like that :) [15:35] craytoon: thanks for clearing out any doubt I had about you =) [15:35] craytoon uses insults to express his own stupidity. Just let it go. [15:35] alisonken1home: I'm using X without no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, could that be the problem? [15:36] any one from brazil here? [15:36] no - it's a kde something [15:36] X now runs without an xorg.conf - my laptop works just fine without it - even the touchpad and dual-finger scrolling [15:36] chegney: it's a feature. newer Xorg doesn't require xorg.conf [15:36] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:37] my desktop has an xorg.conf, but that's due to nvidia and a funny dual-monitor setup [15:37] slackytude (~slacky@f051010083.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:37] ananke: yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why my system does a hard freeze when logging into a KDE session, but other sessions work fine [15:37] even kde/openbox [15:38] powermanagement is enabled in the default kde session right? [15:38] chegney: it's not unusual for certain graphical toolkits to trigger bugs in video drivers. [15:39] alisonken1home: if you aren't an op you should be - i respected the way you 'talked' [15:39] Hm working your way up? [15:39] Enough now craytoon - please [15:39] I notice that when I login to kde/openbox, I get a message saying that powermanagement has been disabled in that profile [15:40] is that something I can disable in the main kde profile to see if that fixes the hard freeze issue? [15:40] chegney, that shouldn't be an issue [15:40] Praise "Bob" ! :p [15:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:40] alienBOB: accept a pm? [15:40] chegney, you can always delete .kde directory for the user and see about it rebuilding a default profile [15:41] I do, but don't hold your breath [15:41] chegney: or login as a different user. [15:41] you don't need to add passive aggressive to ever statement? lol [15:41] ananke, he tried as a user and as root - both failed as far as I can tell [15:41] alisonken1home: ahh, didn't notice it [15:42] craytoon, you're getting to the point where even I would +b - and I'm known as being easy [15:42] chegney: what video card is it by the way? [15:42] ananke: yes both failed and .xsession-errors as root was empty [15:42] it's a radeon card in a Dell Latitude D600 laptop [15:42] chegney: if the machine freezes, it's likely it doesn't get a chance to flush any disk buffers [or even write an error message] [15:43] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) [15:44] chegney: not familiar with those, but possibly using X -configure to generate X config, then changing the driver [i think for radeons there are other options now] could help [15:46] heck, even trying to use vesa driver could quickly narrow down the problem: xorg driver versus something else [15:46] ok, this is weird. when i type 'cal' .. saturday is the first day of the week [15:46] man cal [15:47] ang, mine shows sunday as the first column [15:47] ananke: do I need to reboot and go back to runlevel 3 to do that? [15:47] sunday should be defalt [15:47] alisonken1home: as do all of my other machines :) [15:47] alisonken1home: are you an op or not? lol [15:47] chegney: well, you don't have to reboot, but you'd have to go back to runlevel 3 [15:47] ang, interesting - I don't see an option to have sat as first day [15:47] http://pastebin.com/NQuhm1uc [15:48] i'm special! [15:48] ang - see 'what cal -m' shows [15:48] ananke: how do I do that? do I have to kill kde or something? [15:48] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [15:48] s/kde/kdm [15:48] chegney, ctrl+alt+f1, login as root and init 3 [15:48] alisonken1home: cal -m and cal -s both work as advertised [15:48] chegney: 'init 3' would do it [15:48] chegney, ctl-alt-f6 - login as root, then "telinit 3" [15:49] aziztcf, if he's in runlevel 4, f1 is taken by X console [15:49] you have to use f6 [15:49] ah [15:49] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:49] what's the difference between telinit/init? [15:50] different options [15:50] less confusion since init is process 1 [15:51] you use telinit to manage init [15:51] different options [15:51] :) [15:52] alisonken1home: probably due to the fact this is slack 10.2 with the latest util-linux-ng among other things. probably hosed somethign [15:52] anyone here that have gotten a2dp working with slack 13.1 and blueman? [15:52] ang, hmm - that might be something. did you install util-linux-ng as a package or from a slackbuild? [15:52] The runlevel is changed by having a privileged user run telinit, which sends appropriate signals to init, telling it [15:52] which runlevel to change to. [15:53] you can run init directly if you want [15:53] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [15:54] ananke: okay, i'm at runlevel 3 [15:54] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:54] should big applications like asterisk and mythtv run as non-root users? [15:54] chegney: k, now run 'X -configure' [15:54] telinit 1 and init 1 do the same thing [15:54] I performed `X -configure` and have a configuration file [15:54] I see the line that says driver radeon [15:54] telinit has shortcuts though, like telinit s (for single user mode) [15:54] dustybin: not unless they need superuser privileges. mythtv doesn't. [15:55] chegney: change that to 'vesa' and copy that file to your /etc/X11/ dir [15:55] ananke: the mythtv slackbuild runs as root user, does that mean it should be changed? [15:56] mythtv doesnt require su privs [15:56] ananke: then do init 4? [15:56] chegney: yep [15:57] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:57] also, asterisk doesnt require su privs, the slackbuild runs it as root user, is that a security concern ? [15:58] asterisk probably needs to run as root, it has to address hardware (unless it's working as a pure voip router) [15:58] dustybin, slackbuilds must run as root in order to set up the package [15:58] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [15:58] oh, slackbuilds. dummy [15:58] do you have to make tag files per diskset or can you make 1 file for everything [15:59] dang - was going to tell chegney to startx first [15:59] Skywise: one per disk set [15:59] thx [15:59] that's why they're tag files - lets you tag packages for inclusion, option, or exclusion in sets [16:00] you can even create a tagfile for the whole system as one tagfile [16:00] i just thought if you put the directory in it, you could make a single one [16:00] custom slackware with one tagfile [16:00] yeah, thats what i was trying to say [16:01] Skywise, http://www.slackbook.org/html/package-management-making-tags-and-tagfiles.html [16:02] bfte (~bfte@200-204-54-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] for custom one-file installs, recommendation is either add or skip, not opt or rec [16:03] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] yeah cause opt or rec have prompts [16:03] ananke: guess what, it works [16:04] so apparently something with the radeon driver was causing an issue? [16:04] chegney: so now you know, it's related to the video driver [16:04] chegney: There are a couple of things you can try with the radeon driver. [16:04] If you look at the man page, you should see options to sepecify the AGP mode. You could try reducing it to 1x, for example. [16:04] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] adamk: glad to hear that [16:04] You can even force the card into PCI mode. [16:04] chegney: likely some obscure function used by one of the toolkits is causing that [16:05] jonsmith1982 (~jon@92.25.176.64) joined ##slackware. [16:05] I would guess that it's some AGP related issue as AGP is often teh source of problems when there are lock ups lke that. [16:06] adamk: consider that it works with other window managers just fine [16:07] adamk: that is correct, I could login from kdm to openbox or kde/openbox and it worked fine [16:07] Yeah, but he's talking about a completely system lockup, which is typicall a kernel DRM/AGP bug. [16:07] Action: adamk wonders if kwin is trying to do compositing. [16:07] adamk: very likely [16:07] adamk: what is the default AGPMode? it only says the default is to leave it unchanges [16:07] s/unchanges/unchanged [16:08] Depends on what the GPU reports. Many AGP GPUs actually report higher modes than they can safely run at. [16:08] I would start at 1x and see if it locks up still. If it does, try forcing it into PCI mode. If it doesn't, maybe try 2x. [16:08] If it still locks up in PCI mode, then it's not an AGP issue :-) [16:08] alright, i'll give that a try [16:09] see ya, i'll be back! Thanks guys [16:09] chegney (chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [16:09] chegney: of course, change 'vesa' back to 'radeon' for that debugging... [16:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:09] Skywise, another link that might help with tagfiles: http://r2dane2.com/info/slackware/tagfiles.html <-- slack12.1/slamd64, but the process is the same [16:09] ananke, too late :) [16:10] anyone know what depends on openldap apart from cups? [16:10] alisonken1home: hope he remembers it :) [16:11] Heh... I Hope he realized that. [16:11] I'm guessing a few things, but I've just downgraded to get a downgraded cups to work [16:11] cups relies on openldap? interesting [16:11] I just found out [16:11] I guess for the tcp stuff [16:11] dive: what's your setup? [16:12] printer, etc [16:12] it's an epson stylus c680 [16:12] I've got an hp laserjet and it just works [16:12] the version in 13.1 prints black pages [16:12] doesn't a lot of epsons require binary cups driver for proper operation? [16:12] epson binary [16:12] seems to be a few reports of it doing it with various printers [16:13] alisonken1home, it's been working fine - there are many epson printers in cups [16:13] dive, that's why I said "some" :) [16:13] well it was ok in 13.0 [16:13] slack upgrade or clean install? [16:13] upgrade [16:14] hmm [16:14] tested on two boxes [16:14] same result [16:14] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-30-177.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:15] estranho (estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:16] <_slax0r_> Hi, what could be the cause of sendmail not "respecting" /var/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf? [16:16] so... got a choice of sticking to downgraded cups and openldap and hoping nothing else is affect, or maybe grabbing latest cups and upgrading to that leaving stock openldap alone [16:16] <_slax0r_> I've set it there to use saslauthd, which reads shadow file, but I can't auth against it, I can only auth against sasldb2 [16:16] estranho (estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [16:16] well, going to upgrade my desktop next week, so have to check that out [16:16] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:17] for what I've come across it seems to be just a few printers affected and not all epson [16:17] otoh I really like the new cups interface :| [16:17] yeah, the new interface is much nicer than the old one. [16:17] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:18] looks like it was designed for this century at least [16:18] lol, yeah [16:20] alphad_ (~alphad@41.66.5.161) joined ##slackware. [16:20] alphad (~quassel@41.66.5.161) joined ##slackware. [16:21] <_slax0r_> anyone? :/ [16:21] is there any way to launch the slackware installer and direct the installation to anywhere you want? [16:22] from within a booted slackware [16:22] Not from within a booted Slackware dustybin [16:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:22] dustybin, specifying -root to installpkg should help there [16:23] thrice`: does that execute the installer? [16:23] no [16:23] ok [16:23] are you sure you need it? :) [16:23] hmm [16:23] im trying to figure out how to install slackware onto a usb stick [16:23] chegney (~ClintH@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] alienBOB, what was wrong about my slackpkg suggestion? I'm ssh'd to a pretty old version, and was going on: http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html [16:24] dustybin, "setup -root /otherroot" should help [16:24] well changed back to radeon and tried both AGPMODE 1 and BusType PCI and neither fixed the issue [16:24] hmm [16:25] after booting onto a boot cd/dvd [16:25] i can create a bootable slackware usb installer using this [16:25] ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware64-13.1/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [16:25] hey guys.. what is a good alternative to NIS/NFS ?? we dont want nfs home directories. [16:25] maybe i can direct the installer to install onto another partition on the usb stick [16:26] dustybin, or, mount the partition some place and use installpkg to it [16:26] thrice`: "slackpkg search" searches only package names. And "slackpkg file-search" search for filenames inside packages. As per the manpage in Slackware 13.1 [16:26] ph|ber: samba or ssh? [16:26] been looking at OIM, but since it has went to oracle from sun.. its the suck. [16:26] ssh. [16:27] with multiple groups, sudoers, etc [16:27] mostly oracle machines.. [16:27] pnq_ (asdf@AC823B53.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] pnq (asdf@ACA4A80B.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:27] ph|ber: openafs perhaps [16:27] mm, my apoligies then ananke [16:27] we have so many machines now.. that the nfs is geting hung.. and slow [16:28] ph|ber: well, LDAP could replace your NIS. as to NFS replacement, maybe openafs. can't say it's easy to implement [16:28] i dont want a single home directory [16:28] thrice`: cool [16:28] just need a manager that will log into the machine and create edit and delete users. [16:28] like the OIM [16:29] i dont want a single point of failure.. [16:29] or a single point of entry at 1 time [16:31] pnq_ (asdf@AC823B53.ipt.aol.com) left ##slackware. [16:38] adamk: any other ideas? [16:39] Tirili (~opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [16:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:40] Nick change: marienz -> uber_mort [16:40] Nick change: uber_mort -> marienz [16:41] maybe this is the solution to my problem [16:41] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbimg2disk.sh [16:41] :D [16:41] does kwin automatically compost? [16:41] I don't think compost is the word you are after :) [16:42] heh [16:42] composite [16:42] compositing [16:42] yeah [16:42] sorry [16:42] in this case, I think compost is appropriate :) [16:42] does it and if so, can I disable it in a config file somewhere? [16:44] it tries to, but will default to not if it doesn't think that compositing should be on [16:44] chegney, will if you have accelerated 3D support [16:44] if not it doesn't [16:44] my god! [16:45] usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /home/ftp/pub/slackware-13.0 -o /dev/sdX [16:45] btw, it's wise to leave compositing on, with or without any desktop effects enabled [16:45] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [16:45] please someone help me with pppoe connection? [16:45] :( [16:45] this is time for a cup of tea and chocolate [16:45] Action: dustybin feels double excited [16:45] NthDegree, but I can't login to KDE, it freezes my system when I do, I can login to any other wm just fine from kdm [16:46] NthDegree: even kde/openbox works... it's something with kwin [16:46] please someone help me with pppoe connection? :( [16:46] ne7work, does this help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/slackware-pppoe-problem-488451/ [16:46] NthDegree: if I change my xorg.conf to use vesa driver then I can login to kde from kdm [16:46] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] ne7work, did you also try "man ppoe-setup: ? [16:46] How do I install Slackware from the command prompt? [16:47] NthDegree: so it's a combination of radeon driver and kwin [16:47] cesurasean, boot the install cd/dvd [16:47] Is there an installation handbook I need to read? [16:47] alisonken1home, i booted the dvd, but now im just stuck at a command prompt. [16:47] cesurasean, did you read the message prompt you should have gotten? [16:47] alisonken1home 1) disable dhcp from eth0's ip address (not the internet address) [16:47] how to do this? [16:47] yes. none of them said anything about installation [16:48] cesurasean, also - try http://www.slackbook.org/html/ [16:48] did you login as root? [16:48] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] nevermind. i had to run "setup". [16:48] if so, there's a message that says "Now to run setup to install" or something to that effect [16:48] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] alisonken1home i have internet only five minutes on slackware 13.1 [16:48] and after this 5 minutes [16:48] all shit.. [16:48] i can't fix.. [16:49] i make pppoe-setup with username, eth0, no, dns no, password, firewall - 1, and y for.. save [16:49] after this i write pppoe-start [16:49] and.. [16:49] ne7work: is the dhcp client timing out? what is the dhcpcd server lease time? [16:50] see this [16:50] http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [16:50] people i'm bulgarian [16:50] my english si sucks [16:50] is* [16:50] -is [16:50] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] ne7work, did you run ppoe-setup first? [16:51] i make pppoe-setup with username, eth0, no, dns no, password, firewall - 1, and y for.. save [16:51] ne7work, pastebin the output of "ifconfig" [16:52] also - what dsl company are you using? [16:52] ne7work: i think your firewall blocks anything [16:52] before I was with 13.0 and now I have no problems .. [16:52] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [16:52] oh ppoe - check the cables [16:53] i'm write here from windows no [16:53] i'm write here from windows now [16:53] for what check cables? [16:53] reconnect them [16:53] i have on the other partition slackware 13.0 [16:53] i reconnect them.. [16:53] ne7work: try to disable your firewall completely. if your connection works, rewrite your firewall rules. [16:54] 30 minutes before I could put the net in 5 minutes [16:54] and after reboot [16:54] again i can't fix pppoe [16:54] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:54] # [16:54] Using interface ppp1 [16:54] # [16:54] Channel flood from ne7work -- kicking [16:54] Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/3 [16:54] # [16:54] LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests [16:54] ne7work kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:54] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [16:55] ne7work, this channel has a bot that kicks anybody that pastes more than 3 lines in a short period of time [16:55] ne7work: relax - you can't send or receive [16:55] ne7work: i used pptp and my output looked exactly like yours does [16:56] ne7work: do you have a firewall running? [16:57] and now :( [16:57] someone help me please :( [16:57] ne7work: my mistake was that the default INPUT rule was set to DROP [16:57] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: [16:57] ne7work: therefore i could not get any reply on any ppp* interface [16:58] ScreamerX: he can't send either and he said it works for 5 min then dies :) [16:59] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:00] craytoon: ive read the log posted at pastebin [17:01] craytoon: if it times out sending LCP config requests it simply does not work :) [17:01] craytoon: my problem looked exactly the same [17:01] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:02] btw: my mother tongue is german and its really hard to understand his english :-/ [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-111.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] he needs to tell if he has firewall running [17:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] i bet, he has [17:04] if he doesn't -> http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/solving-pppoe-timeout-waiting-for-pado-packets/ [17:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:05] he isnt here any more ;) [17:06] lol [17:06] mac- (mac@mandzur.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:06] mac- (mac@mandzur.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:07] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:08] jbwk (~jbwk@77.12.89.149) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] chrisV (~chrisVV@91.104.0.133) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Tirili (opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [17:17] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:18] yeah - gotta love the "feed me now!" crow [17:18] d [17:19] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] pupiteee (~p@109.93.162.52) joined ##slackware. [17:24] arg... I finally got the system to login to kde... then it froze when chaning some settings [17:24] now I know why I like Gnome [17:25] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-72-131.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:26] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-104-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:30] isnt a gnome like a troll? [17:31] a troll with mono [17:32] some travel [17:32] alphad_ (~alphad@41.66.5.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] alphad (~quassel@41.66.5.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:33] maybe thats why Qt is originated by Trolltech :-P [17:34] what happens if you type in "billygoat" on gnome, then ? do you get kicked out ? [17:35] lol [17:35] alphad_ (~alphad@41.66.5.161) joined ##slackware. [17:35] alphad (~quassel@41.66.5.161) joined ##slackware. [17:36] jonsmith1982 (~jon@92.25.176.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] i've always heard people here say you should upgrade contiguous versions, i.e. to go from 12.2 -> 13.1 you do 12.2->13.0->13.1 [17:41] why the extra steps? [17:42] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] because the incremental upgrades have been tested and verified ? [17:42] because there might be intermediate steps that won't get done if skipped [17:42] Skywise such as? [17:42] i couldn't enumerate them [17:43] can you mention a single one? [17:43] specifically, no, i haven't cared about it before [17:44] i can't think of any intermediate step that would get "skipped" in this sense.. [17:44] I would not even care to upgrade an old system many versions into the future. A full re-install would be my choice in that case [17:44] aren't you basically upgrading old code with new code? your concern is your final destination, no? [17:44] Lots of cruft will be present in an ageing system [17:45] I didn't even manage to upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1, I always re-install [17:45] alienBob, i agree 100% about a clean install. i was just curious about this conventional wisdom [17:45] and configuration files or databases will change [17:45] mancha: lots of your self-compiled programs will cease working if you skip several releases [17:45] as to the leftover crap, yeah, lots of cleaning probably if you upgrade [17:45] alien, but that'll happen even if you do the multi-step thing [17:46] LOts of configuration files will have changed in an incompatible way, so it will take you ages to untangle the mess after upgrade [17:46] mancha: the pain is less if you do the intermediate steps. [17:46] is the idea that you're fixing at each stage? [17:47] spending some time there, getting it all right, then upgrading to the next version? [17:47] its like applying a patch [17:47] Skyuwise, it isn't though, it is not incremental, that's my point :) [17:47] the upgrade takes certain assumptions about the previous version that won't be true unless upgraded [17:48] alien's answers make sense to me, sky's yours don't :( [17:48] read them again [17:48] we're saying the same things [17:48] no, he is saying something quite different. [17:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] i don't think so, we're both saying you should upgrade incrementally [17:49] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Scenario #1: App A in slack 12.2 is linked against libpng 1.2.x; after the u/g to slack 13.0 it is still running, afer the u/g to 13.1 (from 13.0) it is broken. [17:51] Scenario #2: App A in slack 12.2 is linked against libpng 1.2.x; after a direct u/g to slack 13.1 it is broken. [17:52] i don't see a differece in the end result. [17:52] there is no difference in that result [17:53] Sky so give me one example where there will be a difference [17:53] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) joined ##slackware. [17:54] just look at the upgrade instructions on the packages themselves [17:55] they will dictate the upgrade path to take to make sure nothing is broken [17:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [17:55] there could be differences in the database the application uses, new tables or indicies [17:56] there could be a change in nomenclature where files or resouces are renamed or moved to be more proper or whatever reason [17:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ytfutgojknrenhkd) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:56] the simple point is that upgrades are generally not universal capable of updating every previous version to current [17:57] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [17:58] but unless you know its not an issue, whats to be gained by skipping the interim updates [17:58] adaptr: what do you do with all user data and settings when you reinstall? [17:59] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:59] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Skywise fair enough, i can imagine a situation as you describe but only valid if you live in the intermediate version for a bit [18:00] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [18:00] you might only have to run the intermediate version long enough to make sure nothing is broken [18:00] and then continue the upgrade [18:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:00] Slack 12.2 have A v. 1.0; upgrade to Slack 13.0 and A gets upgraded to v 2.0 and can read v 1.0 conf files; upgrade to 13.1 and A gets upgraded to v. 3.0 which can only read v 2.0 conf files (not 1.0) [18:01] chegney: /home is always on its own partition, and I cp -a /etc [18:01] yeah thats one example [18:01] but for this to be any different you'd have to run "A" while in the intermediate 13.0 so it imports the v1.0 conf and saves in v2.0 format [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] i think most people who do the hopscotch upgrading aren't spending time in that version [18:02] yeah, but you're still likely to have the conversion tools installed [18:02] they u/g it all to one ver then upgrade all to the next (immediately). unless i am wrong. [18:02] that would be the most methodical way to do it [18:03] oh no, an upgradepkg would remove the tool unless it were also present in v3.0 in which case the example is no longer valid since the direct jump would not causer an issue [18:03] anyways :) [18:03] chegney (ClintH@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [18:03] i am not advocating direct upgrades skipping versions, in fact, i don't even u/g fromone version to the one right after it [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426796.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] i was just curious about it - thanks for humoring me :) [18:04] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) joined ##slackware. [18:04] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:04] running in gnome now [18:05] you could always try it out in a vm and see what happens [18:05] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) left irc: Client Quit [18:05] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) joined ##slackware. [18:07] If I wanted to put ubuntu 10.4 on my system that already has slack 13 on it. Would an ubuntu dual boot install mess up my computer (ubuntu's grub over slackwares LILO)? [18:08] yes [18:08] :) dodged a bullter [18:08] bullet* [18:09] m1ck3y: you can tell ubuntu to not install grub [18:09] It should be fine. the ubuntu installed should detect the other linux install and include an appropriate entry in menu.lst. If it doesn't you can amend it manually [18:09] I have LILO on my mbr, would that mess things up? [18:09] grub is better than lilo anyway [18:09] put grub on the MBR and it should be fine [18:09] Overwrite lilo [18:09] it should overwrite and still recognize slack? [18:10] as long as you configure it to do so [18:10] It should but if it doesn't just amend menu.lst by hand [18:10] Just make sure the ubuntu installer only installs to your spare partition. [18:10] mmkay, well if I'm not back here for a couple of weeks, you'll all know what happened :) [18:10] why ubuntu? [18:10] so my gf can / will use my laptop [18:10] the installer should detect slackware without problems. if it doesn't, you can always add slack to grub's menu OR your can use slack's livecd to boot into slack, add ubuntu to lilo.conf and reinstall lilo [18:11] chegney: he probably likes dangerous men, as well [18:11] she can't use slack? [18:11] guys, which application do you use in order to have statistiques (ip adresses, coutries , cities, upload, donwload ...) related to your servers ? [18:11] what do you advice/suggest me [18:12] statistics* [18:12] chegney: I'm sure she could, but she won't. [18:12] Should I partition my disk before putting in ubuntu livecd or use ubuntu's disk partitioner? [18:13] If it isn't already partitioned you are stuffed [18:13] i'd partition before [18:13] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [18:13] on ubuntu, you should always review what it's going to do to your disk [18:14] has she used ubuntu before and won't use anything else or what [18:14] i mean, you can get the same windowmanager in slackware [18:14] yeah... 5GB for ubuntu and you can use the same partition for /home and swap that you use for slack [18:15] slack hates girls, you know. it likes to kick puppies or something :P [18:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:15] lol it's more of a joke. I put ubuntu on her laptop and she's familiar with it [18:15] hehe [18:15] raela: lol [18:16] tell her she's played long enough now it's time to get on the real ride [18:16] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:16] hah [18:16] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:17] that's a little too easy to take out of context [18:17] chegney: lol I keep crashing the "real ride" and I have way more computer experience than her [18:17] alphad (~quassel@41.66.5.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:17] alphad_ (~alphad@41.66.5.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:18] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Kiboney [18:19] my mom likes slackware... actually she won't know the difference if I installed ubuntu for her, but right now she knows that she's using something called slackware linux and that it's fast and doesn't crash (bad bad WinMe memories)... she's the type that'd use the computer as it is as long as it works for her [18:19] lol [18:19] ow gawd WinMe was the worst OS invention ever [18:20] I'm loving it so far (only a few days out) But coming to terms with not having a flashy GUI package manager is scary.. everything else is just swell [18:20] I've never been used to a flashy gui package manager coming from Gentoo, but I'm slowly getting used to Slackware as well [18:20] my mom (who doesn't speak(or read) english very well btw) can use slack without problems :P [18:20] i'm sure you can get used to it [18:22] mako-sama: lol... I'm feeling a very "my dead dog can use slackware!" vibe. I'm totally loving it and sure I'll get used to it, but you all must admit, it's a lot different than the average windows experience. Mostly better, but I find myself without a lot of the conveniences I knew. [18:23] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:23] Nick change: initself_ -> initself [18:23] anybody experience that flash locks the phonon sound output in KDE ? I have to quit youtube AND kill the flashplugin in chrome to get sound from mplayer... weird [18:24] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [18:25] m1ck3y: well.... my dead rabbit can use it... maintaining it is another story though :P [18:25] lol [18:26] my mom who doesn't even know what 'install' means in computer terms can use it because I do all the dirty work once or twice every two years [18:27] It's really sweet, and I'm sure in a few months It will be second nature. But right now, it is a bit intimidating. I still don't have a good grasp as to how to install different programs. Like downloading tar.gz files and uncompressing them and some need to be moved and some installed and I'm never sure what command to use. Luckily there is google so things are coming along. [18:27] chrisV (chrisVV@91.104.0.133) left ##slackware. [18:28] craytoon (~craytoon@65.103.249.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:29] windowmaker/GNUstep on her desktop.. so she doesn't feel the difference between updates. but she likes the new firefox (auto update) and oo.o3 and those apps are all that matter for her [18:29] craytoon (~craytoon@65.103.249.182) joined ##slackware. [18:30] m1ck3y: have you read slackbook? [18:31] mako-sama: I read up to and through the installation(which I just finished) I'm still reading, but remembering and applying still prove to be difficult [18:33] good luck. you'll learn alot :P [18:33] has anyone here tried a guruplug yet? [18:33] i wonder if they're fast enough to be a nas [18:34] BP{k}, I think ha been [18:34] has [18:35] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:36] i'm thinking of putting together a guruplug with slackARM and an esata external enclosure [18:36] rworkman has one with ARMedslack on it [18:37] you can order them that way [18:37] how much does it cost right now? [18:37] You can? [18:37] yeah [18:37] i'm not sure, the sheeva plug was $99 i think the guru plug was $160 [18:37] too much for me ~_~ [18:38] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] it looks very useful, but 160? I don't think so ~_~ [18:39] its $130 [18:39] still [18:39] it's over $90 :P [18:40] but it comes with 2 gb ethernet ports, 2 usb ports, 1 esata and 1 micro sd port [18:40] as I said, it looks very useful but I still can't consider the price reasonable [18:40] its also got wifi and bluetooth [18:40] different standards [18:40] Skywise: rworkman has recommened getting the jtag as well...as he says he bricked it a few times :) [18:40] good to know [18:41] i plan on testing mine as well [18:41] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:41] i got a nice jtag for 40 bucks [18:42] this guruplug can replace my home server without any problems [18:42] yeah thats how much they're asking [18:42] well theres a guruplug display thats comming out which can do hdtv [18:42] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] a display that can do hdtv? what does use to work? usb? -_- [18:44] hdmi [18:44] m1ck3y (mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [18:45] there is an hdmi socket on the guruplug? o_O [18:45] http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-33-guruplug-display.aspx [18:45] its not available yet [18:45] ah [18:46] they're backordered 4 weeks on the other units [18:46] will they be available for the same price? [18:47] yea [18:48] hmm.. 3usb and no esata. [18:49] 2GB NAND [18:49] you should be able to stream video from the net on over usb [18:49] and over usb [18:50] hmmm.. i see overheating problems reported on the internet -_- [18:51] interesting, on which units? [18:51] Only when using gigabit ethernet, and only with some switches/routers [18:51] :) [18:51] speak of the devil [18:51] Mine shuts down when connected to my gigE switch. [18:51] you think its fast enough to be used as a nas? [18:51] Skywise: you'll have to modify it with a heatsink [18:52] i got plenty, never had anythign to do with them before [18:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:53] http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1735.0 [18:53] still.. it's a very intersting piece of hardware but a little bit out of my price range for a plaything [18:54] Skywise: probably [18:54] My SheevaPlug is doing an admirable job as firewall/dns/dhcp server on m home lan. [18:54] 1.2Ghz is fast enough, imo [18:55] yup [18:55] yeah, all it has to do is be able to saturate the net and thats fast enough [18:55] not that clockspeed is any indicator of speed [18:55] 200mhz is fast enough [18:56] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:57] i need to get me a desktop [18:57] i am getting tired of using my macbook for everything [18:57] rworkman, can you jtag it with a regular parallel port jtag cable or do you need something else? [18:57] rs232... [18:58] is what it says on the device's jtag port [18:58] mako-sama, however, you may not be able to unbrick unless you use a jtag [18:58] Skywise: I don't know. I considered trying to make my own, but I borrowed XGizzmo's one from globalscale instead (mine hasn't arrived yet)_ [18:58] yeah i was gonna order one of those [18:59] narhen (~henrik@90.149.34.19) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:00] wonder if you could put armedslack on this, heh: http://openpandora.org/ [19:02] nvision (~nvision@g225063160.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:03] openpandora is getting to be like duke nukem forever [19:03] iavor (~iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [19:03] banditman (~djt@92.14.52.241) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:03] which is a bit unfortunate [19:03] heh [19:04] apparantly this thing s quite hackable: http://www.amazon.com/ZIPIT-All-Wi-Fi-Messenger-Black/dp/B00115PR2O [19:05] Unsichtbar (titan@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [19:07] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:52] Action: dive wonders how much [19:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [19:58] kimjeng (~mike@196.201.218.213) joined ##slackware. [19:59] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] i installed the flightgear package on slackware 64 bit and on trying to run it i get , bash: /usr/bin/fgfs: cannot execute binary file [20:02] Budd^ (~budd@99.152.134.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:03] kimjeng, Package from where? [20:03] www.flightgear.org [20:04] MS3FGX : http://packages.flightgear.org.uk/ [20:04] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:06] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:08] "cannot execute binary file" probably means it's a 32-bit binary, and you don't have multilib [20:08] My first thought was that it was because the package was 32 bits, but I see they have Slackware64 version too. I don't have a Slack 64 machine to rest it on. [20:08] test* [20:08] nophis_ (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [20:09] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib <--- that should tell you what you need to know to get it going [20:09] or if there's a 64-bit native package, simply install that [20:09] Urchlay: theres one and i did :) , [20:09] kimjeng: what package did you exactly install? [20:10] also flightgear + deps is on SBo iirc. [20:10] BP{k} : http://packages.flightgear.org.uk/slackware64-13.0/ [20:10] 1 [20:10] zxcvb (~aranjan@59.144.72.1) joined ##slackware. [20:10] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:10] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:11] BP{k} , i downloaded all on that page , they sort of work together [20:11] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.237) joined ##slackware. [20:12] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ok guys, just got a geode machine to boot up and try slackware, but the only way to boot is using USB but its not working, i think some mbr working is needed on the usb disk, any help on that? [20:13] the mainboard claims it can boot usb hdd's [20:14] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Berxwedan (~Berxwedan@78.168.35.176) joined ##slackware. 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[20:22] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [20:22] its an amd gx3 board [20:24] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-171-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:24] kimjeng (~mike@196.201.218.213) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:25] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [20:26] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:26] NeanT (~me@188.27.120.240) left irc: Quit: bye [20:26] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [20:26] is there a way to build an older version of wine agains slackware 13.1? I keep running into problems with libpng. slack13.1 use version 1.4.0 and its too new [20:27] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:30] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:30] el_lobo (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] it just booted =| [20:32] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:33] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [20:33] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:34] KaMii, why not download the latest wine source and edit the slackbuild version? [20:34] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] works here [20:34] that would predicate slackbuild knowledge [20:37] that would predicate knowledge.. [20:37] or sense [20:37] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:38] Nick change: el_lobo -> el_lobo--d-_-b [20:38] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:39] dive: because the latest version does not have the patch for fallout 3 [20:40] i really get discusted when people try to avoid the problem.......... [20:40] PS3? [20:40] big patch? [20:40] lotec: again you are avoiding the issue [20:40] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.208.20) joined ##slackware. [20:40] no i am not avoiding [20:40] its a patch with the shaders against the NVIDIA 7x generation cards [20:40] i gave you a solution [20:40] PS3 is not a solution! [20:40] hi, the DVD-iso is bootable right ? [20:40] KaMii, you can open the patch and see what it does and replicate that in later version of wine [20:40] hell yea it is [20:40] PS3 is Bad ass [20:40] and run Linux [20:41] i dont know how to replicate patches [20:41] stop avoiding the problem and learn [20:41] have you tried running it on later version of wine? [20:41] that why im in here antiwire [20:41] Kamii: sure you cant just install the patch? [20:41] Yes, if you make an image of that iso onto your DVD disk. [20:41] I think you're just avoiding learning how patches work [20:41] it failed when I tried to apply the patch in a later version [20:42] so you're avoiding things too [20:42] see, two can play that game [20:42] mmmm then i think it didnt liked my dvd because it is not booting at all >___> [20:42] KaMii: here is another solution. Install VMWare then install the old version of Slack then install wine? [20:42] whats with all the trolls tonight? [20:42] while i can boot live cds and dvds [20:42] KaMii, normally when an upgrade comes along the patch is integrated into the version [20:42] you sure you need it? [20:42] Did you verify the burn? [20:43] ya, this patch was never implemented, its been on the bug reports for over a year [20:43] ridout how should i do it ? i mean i can open it just fine and use the data it just won't boot [20:43] namedrisk, how did you burn it? [20:43] i dont think they will ever implement it because not many people use the old NVIDIA 7x series cards [20:43] dive using the iso with nero [20:43] burn image? [20:43] namedrisk: How did you get the iso onto the DVD? [20:43] using nero [20:43] ridout: copy paste [20:44] did you use the burn image option of copy the iso into the file list thing? [20:44] there is an option to burn image, which will pickup the iso and put into a disk [20:44] same process i did for my centos dvd which works just fine for booting [20:44] right [20:44] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> juangvp [20:44] and did you check the md5 of the iso? and then verify the burn after? [20:44] and i got the latest released iso available from slackware mirrors :/ [20:45] and i really have no idea how to implement/change an old patch for a new version. I looked for information on how to do that, but its very confusing [20:45] dive i verified the burn but didnt verified the md5 [20:45] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.96) joined ##slackware. [20:45] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œæ»Ī½ »±²­ [20:46] Nick change: juangvp -> el_lobo--d-_-b [20:46] i dont usually have any md5 checkers but i will redownload and give it another try [20:47] No md5sum available? [20:47] find a md5 app [20:47] windows >.> [20:47] hehe [20:47] before wasting time and bandwidth redownloading [20:47] i dont have the iso anymore [20:47] >.< [20:47] >__> its been like 2 days i got it and burned [20:47] but only now i got to use it [20:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.13.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:48] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:48] 'The box said windows XP or better is required, so I installed Slackware' [20:48] you should always check md5 of slack disks [20:49] >__> well i got 2 dvds for centos and it went fine if i got teh slack corrupted i might have ran into a really bad lucky [20:49] KaMii, are you absolutely sure that you need this patch - usually patches get integrated into the next version [20:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [20:49] KaMii >__> i have a 7600GS on a server hehehe [20:49] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.51.14) joined ##slackware. [20:50] all the rest is randeon tought lol [20:50] dive thanks, if that is not the problem what else could i check ? [20:50] yes dive I tried to run the game without the patch using the latest version of Wine (stable, and also the beta) and both gave the same FPS drops when going into VATS during the game, its due to a shader problem with that particular graphics card [20:50] ridout thx for the answer too :) [20:50] No prob, namedrisk. [20:51] alskdaklsjdkla (~iavor@89.7.137.164) joined ##slackware. [20:51] do you guys have any ideas if slackware has problems with network card chipset r8168 ? realtek [20:52] namedrisk, those should work out of hte box [20:53] iavor (~iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:53] Nick change: alskdaklsjdkla -> IaVoR [20:53] IaVoR (~iavor@89.7.137.164) left irc: Changing host [20:53] IaVoR (~iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [20:54] lotec thanks, i hope it does i had a lots of problems with it on centos 5.5 it works but does not setup as GigE had lots of headache until i saw at centos bugtracker it was already a known bug LOL :P [20:55] namedrisk, i never tried it as GigE but regular 10/100 it worked fine [20:55] i see, well i need it as GigE for a few reason specifically because it will be a media and fs server [20:56] guess i will let u know if it works properly :P [20:56] If the built in card is causing problems and this system is going to streaming media and large files I would use a better card. [20:57] namedrisk: from checking google it looks as thought it does support GigE in slack so you should be fine [20:57] antiwire i would too :) but currently i have no money left to buy a decent one i just got some 3ware cards for the raids etc [20:57] lotec thanks :) [20:58] fair enough, but it is still like putting a Ferrari engines into VW bus [20:58] namedrisk: i have to agree with antiwire that card is well at the bottom of the shit barrell [21:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:00] lotec , antiwire yeah i know that ... i just spent too much on this so i can't really spent anything else until next month so i am just hoping to get to set this up and everything and be able to test and start tunning till i can get better stuff, thus i still need to buy extra memory aswell [21:00] spend* rrr dont bother with my poor english [21:00] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [21:00] :) [21:00] it's all good [21:01] Just don't waste that 3ware throughput on that crappy card for ever [21:01] namedrisk: it should work, just keep that in mind if you get shit preformace [21:01] eheheheh yeah i just can't wait to get to work with it [21:01] i need to build one of those myself [21:01] mmm i havent used slackware since mmmm slackware 8 i think [21:02] but i really liked slackware back in those times [21:02] but i just do mine with my laptop and my 1tb hd and stream to my Xbox [21:02] I'm in the opposite end; My home server has a dual port Intel pro1000 card and a promise raid card [21:02] I max disk IO before the network [21:02] sounds ok to me .. it is a home share point only right ? [21:03] meant about lotec setup :P [21:03] Mine is a 3.0Ghz P4 with 2GB of ram and 2x750 on the raid card [21:04] the lame promise card can't supply the intel gigabit with enough throughput [21:04] pretty much yes, nothign fancy i got rid of my server a while ago and ment to build up another just never got around to it. I stair at Comp Screens all day so coming home and screwing with it is not my idea of fun anymore [21:04] antiwire what hds you picked up ? [21:05] anitwire, is that a software raid? what cards are you using? [21:05] we had a few 500GB WD's blue laying around [21:05] which is what i will be using for now i heard it is quiet a good one by what it is [21:06] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/LcYG0Z83.html [21:06] those WD blues are nice [21:06] that is what i have [21:06] i got 4 1tb here [21:07] .11 not bad xD i've got one of those aswell antiwire ehhe but not for the server tought [21:07] they are good disks. bit older but good [21:07] lotec nice ... i wanted to get 1 black for my personal computer but i always ended up wasting my money in beer >__> [21:07] haha [21:08] I have a WD black for my laptop [21:08] ..... [21:08] those came out of my old server, [21:08] WDC WD3200BEKT [21:08] Action: namedrisk steals antiwire's notebook while he is talking to lotec ... [21:08] like i siad i just took my home network down to what i had to have. got rid of my smoothwall/server/ all of it [21:09] i was checking some benchmark and it seems the .11 or .12 are faster then the black or blue [21:09] i have an apple timecapsle i use for wifi [21:09] and i have 0 wired comps [21:09] apples .... rrrrr [21:10] wireless is nice but still very limited or overpriced to get what u want [21:10] actually that is a lie, our blueray player is wired, so my wife can get on Streaming NetFlix [21:10] namedrisk: N is more then fast enought for what i need to do [21:11] yeah i mean if it is just you and a few more not too many that is awesome [21:11] thus the range without optionals is awesome aswell [21:11] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.31) joined ##slackware. [21:11] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:13] me and my Ipad/Macbook can go wehre i want, hell id ont even have a desktop comp [21:13] i wall mounted my monitors and just hook my macbook up to it :D [21:13] so i can have 2 screens if i need to [21:13] oh i wish for an ipad ;x [21:14] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:15] and with that [21:15] i've got a nice notebook but it is heavy :( and big [21:16] i need to sleep [21:16] later all [21:16] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [21:16] anyone want a copy of windows 3.11 + some old win3.11 games on floppy ? [21:16] do u have lotus ? [21:16] how much are you willing to pay for it? [21:17] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [21:17] namedrisk: I have works 3.0 and ms-dos 6.20 [21:17] lotus i meant that car game :P [21:17] wtf? [21:17] ms-dos 6.20 is 4 floppys [21:18] ok these works 3.0 floppys are going in the bin... [21:19] trash bin? [21:19] :D [21:19] guax: duh! [21:19] :D [21:19] Action: guax have tons of old dos games [21:19] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [21:19] anyway I have ms-dos 6.20 and win3.11 if anyone wants it! :D [21:19] including supaplex! [21:19] freedos for the win [21:19] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Client Quit [21:20] on floppys! [21:20] :D [21:20] hahah [21:20] guax i use to play lotus hehe and mmmm i dont remember the other game name [21:20] that was back when i used 3.11 [21:20] i never used 3.11, started with w95 tough [21:20] I also have doom, wolfenstein 3d and sam & max [21:21] s3r[] (~s3r3n1ty@190.213.44.77) joined ##slackware. [21:21] elo [21:21] its called dosbox [21:21] wolfenstein 3d is incidently on one floppy [21:21] :D [21:21] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-171-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:22] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:22] I have a question, the permissions for each file, etc ( the information stored in the stat header ), where is this information located? At the beginning of each individual file? [21:22] Action: guax had a collection of multi color floppies [21:22] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [21:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:22] blue, red, green, white, black, grey and even pink [21:22] guax: I have/had some of those too... they went in the bin [21:22] guax: I never did have pink ones though [21:23] s3r, look into the specs of your filesystem [21:23] s3r[]: no. it's stored by the filesystem [21:23] ^^ ty [21:23] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.99) joined ##slackware. [21:23] s3r[]: your key word is 'metadata' [21:23] seriously I figured any linux user would jump at the chance of owning ms-dos 6.20 and win 3.11 on floppys! :D [21:24] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [21:24] Action: snL20 goes back in time and give his copy's to linus [21:24] snL20 wolfstain is epic hehe [21:24] i would put them together with ubuntu medias and burn them O_O [21:24] duke nuken [21:24] namedrisk: ;) [21:25] namedrisk: I got my first pc so I could play doom [21:25] :D [21:25] mmm worms was old too but i guess not so old... maybe it was win95 plus game ?? [21:25] i loved to baseball hit the worms in the water [21:25] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:25] does anyone here use adobe acrobat reader on your slackware? [21:25] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> mmmmmmm [21:25] team fortress :P [21:25] namedrisk: did you know the minigun rocket launcher cheat ? [21:26] Nick change: mmmmmmm -> el_lobo--d-_-b [21:26] dude ... dont ask difficult questions to remember it's been soooo long ... [21:26] i remember the red bomb thing [21:26] that you could aim to the floor [21:26] and it would instant kill [21:26] namedrisk: well basically you did something in the right order and the minigun fired rockets [21:26] namedrisk: instead of bullets =) [21:27] mmmm i guess i never did that ... [21:27] lol this making me want to play it [21:27] the southpark voice pack was awesome [21:27] ahha [21:27] namedrisk: banana bomb! [21:27] :D [21:27] heheh :p [21:28] i wonder is that game still exists with a newer version [21:28] guess i will google it ;x [21:28] namedrisk: I can get a copy if I want I'm sure... [21:29] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.64.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:29] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-104-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:29] mmm i just meant to see what was the latest version of it to see what new is there ehhee [21:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:30] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:32] namedrisk: well theres been worms 2 etc. [21:32] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-104-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:33] yeah i know it went up to 4 dunno after that [21:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:33] prince of persia was good too :P [21:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:36] worms reloaded 2010 >__> never saw this one [21:37] Can someone recommend me a good detailed book or article on linux file permissions and those uid, guid and euid bits? [21:38] most good admin books will deal with file permissions - and many nowadays get into the extended acl's too (as in selinux attributes and so forth) [21:38] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] any recommendations? [21:38] s3r[]: man chmod [21:39] s3r[]: man chown [21:39] s3r, its been a long time since i looked at books like that, i have nothing to recommend. try going to you nearest bookstore and leafing though s few, oreilly's collection is good [21:39] ok, thanks ^^ [21:39] mancha: running linux comes to mind [21:39] =) [21:39] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:41] those LPI 101 and 102 books are worth reading but they are not permission specific [21:41] yeah something like running linux (an oreilly book) might cover it, but one with a security slant might deal with it more in depth [21:42] you gona see alot more into security the something directed to those kinds of permission i would say like LID for example [21:44] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.64.146) joined ##slackware. [21:44] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:45] mancha http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html [21:45] it is not a book but covers the basic [21:46] s3r[]: also tldp.org is nice for any guides and howtos [21:46] ops [21:46] sent it to the wrong person sorry mancha >_< [21:46] oh ok, thanks <3 about 1 and a half hours left on my slackware download :) [21:47] im on 9 minutes left xD [21:47] guess i will hit the sack, later snL20 :) [21:47] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.237) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:47] named you're almost ther! and s3r, keep chatting and the 1.5 hours will be over before you know it [21:47] namedrisk: later :] [21:48] mancha hehehe :P i can't wait to setup this ... im very interesting in learning all the tunning process [21:48] you two'll join the secret society of folks running the latest slackware [21:48] but i need some rest ... dont want to screw up due to lack of sleep LOL [21:48] once you install it ping me and i can show you secret handshake :) [21:48] show you the * [21:48] Action: namedrisk old school slackware ... used from 3 to 8 then stopped [21:49] hahahah xD sure will ping you [21:49] :D [21:49] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:49] well cya bb tomorrow [21:49] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.208.20) left irc: Quit: Die another day ! ! ! 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[22:19] Does anyone use chrome on slack? [22:20] I keep getting this error: [22:20] /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libnssutil3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [22:21] snL20: Thanks for that link, its awesome <3 [22:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:22] m1ck3y you are missing nss libs. how did yoyu install the chrome browser? [22:22] slackytude (~slacky@g227067117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [22:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:23] craytoon (craytoon@65.103.249.182) left ##slackware. [22:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:23] mancha: I grabbed it from slackbuilds, and I also grabbed Gconf and ORBit2 (cause it told me to even though I don't really know what they are) [22:23] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:23] m1ckey, you need seamonkey, do you have that? [22:24] mancha: Yes, I did the "give me everything" slackware install [22:24] where did the slackbuild install chrome? [22:24] google-chrome [22:25] m1ckey, find where the actual "chrome" binary is... [22:25] I think it is in /usr/bin [22:25] ummm [22:25] the executable is called google-chrome [22:26] pnq (asdf@ACA2ACAB.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] cheney stop adding noise here, please. [22:26] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt7-port-178.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] mancha: How do I find the binary? I'm just following slackbuilds howto like a roadmap [22:27] m1ckey, cat /var/log/packages/goog*chrome* [22:27] I'm thinking of throwing a spare hard drive into my tower system, it has an asus p5g41T-M/CSM motherboard, anyone have any tips for me? [22:27] that'll show the filelist....tell me where things are, i am looking for the file named "chrome" just that. [22:28] linux with that mobo? [22:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:28] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:28] cat /var/log/packages/goog*chrome* | grep "chrome$" [22:28] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] mancha: I'm seeing a lot of stuff, but not a just chrome file [22:29] when I grep I get nothing [22:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:29] you messed up the command, you have to get something [22:29] mancha: sorry you are right, i messed up :) [22:29] opt/google/chrome/chrome [22:30] please don't mess up, it puts a damper on the troubleshooting :) [22:30] hahaha [22:30] I'll do my best [22:30] s3r[]: no problem :D [22:30] ok, goog. now do: ls -l /opt/google/chrome/libnssutil3.so.1d [22:31] ok [22:31] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:31] tick tock, quid pro quo, clarice... [22:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:33] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:33] hmm [22:33] well? [22:34] nothing :( [22:34] i don't buy it (again) [22:34] I'm confused, it says: [22:34] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2010-06-08 22:15 /opt/google/chrome/libnssutil3.so.1d -> /usr/lib/seamonkey/libnssutil3.so [22:34] right, and that link is probably broken (does it show up in red)? [22:35] yes! [22:35] so that means.....? :( [22:35] so you're missing seamonkey (as i first said) [22:35] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] muraii (~muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [22:35] I feel like I'm five. But when I click on seamonkey it opens up a web browser. [22:35] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:36] oh hrmm, then we have other issues... [22:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:36] wait a minute, it says that my seamonkey is out of date, could that be the problem? [22:37] seamonkey is always out of date because it sucks [22:37] what seamonkey do you have? [22:37] 1.1.17 [22:37] yeah you probably need a 2.0.x one [22:37] what slackwareare you on? [22:37] 13 [22:38] So, update seamonkey and then try chrome? [22:38] wait, before that [22:38] grep nss /var/log/packages/seamonkey* [22:39] woah [22:40] tons of .h files [22:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:40] ah crap, okay use: grep libnss /var/log/packages/seamonkey* [22:41] bottom line i think you need a newer gecko so set [22:41] four files, none are the libnssutil3 [22:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.231.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:43] is one libnss3.so ? [22:43] Yes! [22:43] ok, i think you might have screwed something up then [22:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:43] ahhahahah [22:43] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:43] reinstall the same seamonkey you have [22:43] never mind. i gotta go. don't know. [22:44] Ok thanks a bunch though [22:44] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] m1ckey, what does SBo have as requirements for the package? [22:46] If you gotta go you can, I'm slow and lost. For example I don't know what SBo means [22:46] does 13.0 have seamonkey's shared libs broken out? [22:46] SBO=slackbuilds.org [22:46] http://aquaneeds.com/images/run.jpg <-- from my local beach [22:47] chrome package it said I needed Gconf which said I needed Orbit2 [22:47] can you look again? [22:47] yes [22:47] re-read the section on what you need, i bet you missed something. [22:48] For Chrome it says: "This Requires GConf" [22:48] For GConf it says: "This Requires ORBit2" [22:48] For Orbit2 it doesn't list a requirement [22:49] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [22:49] There's a beep bug. [22:49] /bin/beep is set to 0600 [22:49] m1ck3y where are you reading this? [22:49] no [22:49] slackbuilds.org [22:49] can you link me? [22:49] /dev/console is set to 0600, and /bin/beep can't access /dev/console as a normal user. [22:50] *melts* [22:50] Even after I set a SUID bit for audio group, it doesn't work. [22:50] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:50] I was reading for slackware 13.1 for 13 (which is what I have) I need GConf and seamonkey solibs from slackware package [22:51] aha, so it seems 13.0 separates out the .so's [22:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:51] install that package and you'll be set. [22:51] man I'm bad at this game [22:51] on my way! Thanks for your patience [22:51] asarch (~asarch@187.132.137.22) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Do you have the "fold" program? [22:51] yes [22:52] Thank you mancha [22:52] Thank you very much [22:52] :-) [22:52] welcome [22:52] gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em [22:52] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Can you paste the output of: which fold ? [22:53] mine's in /usr/bin [22:53] Cool! [22:53] :-) [22:53] Thank you once again [22:54] and the answer to your next question is...it is in coreutils [22:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:54] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Quit: changing servers [22:54] and the answer to your question after that: "on any slackware mirror in slackware{,64}/a/ [22:54] and for an extra $5 i'll give you a personal tour of using it to help pretty up text inside specific margins [22:55] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] hah BP{k}. [22:55] btw, you're no longer f*cking up my google searches... [22:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:55] mancha: nice, going for that personal touch. ;) [22:56] mancha: hahaha, what was the problem? [22:56] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-116-151.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] heya,folks [22:57] you! [22:57] me? [22:57] you [22:57] mancha: if I had a quid for everytime I heard that one. ;) [22:57] j/k i fooled around with osd bubbles on my desktop and i seem to have angered the video ram gods [22:58] so i figured, lets see this all the way through, so i kept making more osd bubbles. until things seemed to work again. [22:58] osd... grrr [22:58] i made it full circle. [22:58] lol....tame the "daemon" [22:58] heh [22:59] yeah, i was totally obsessive about it, we could say it was OCD meet OSD :) [22:59] BP{k}, saw a few hacks for those o2 jogglers that were in sale in UK [22:59] MLanden: o2 jogglers? [23:00] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:02] http://yourfamily.o2.co.uk/o2familyjoggler/ something like a mini tablet arm based...£49 [23:03] anyone running slack on an asus board? [23:03] chegney: me [23:03] chegney: I do, on my P3. [23:03] i'm thinking of throwing a spare hard drive into my tower, it as a P5G41T-M/CSM [23:04] pci-e nvidia gts250 graphics card [23:04] intel core2 extreme qx6850 [23:04] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:06] MLanden: interesting not seen them before. [23:06] anything I should be concerned with or aware of with that configuration? [23:06] you do realize that there are many types of asus boards, right? [23:07] dive: re the activation...first year is free and then $30/tr after that if you use it as intened. $0/yr if you are just hacking it :) [23:07] BP{k}, just saw them mentioned on various linux arm devices(or hacks >:) recently [23:08] chegney: also.. I think you would have better luck checking if the hardware supports the other pieces, and checking LQ's HCL [23:10] raela: other pieces? [23:10] chegney: you're worried if the hardware is supported by the board? or what? [23:10] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:10] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] raela: with that hardware i mentioned, just wondering what, if anything, I should be aware of when installing linux on it [23:12] MLanden: care to pimp me some links in a pm? [23:13] chegney: linuxquestions.org has a hardware compatability list.. scan that for your hardware [23:13] BP{k}, you might have better luck with googlin' from UK...might come 'cross some regional web links quicker than I can in the states [23:14] m1ck3y (mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:15] BP{k}, came 'cross this on specs http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/hardware-compatibility-list/2738-o2-joggler-openpeak-open-frame-7-touch-device.html [23:15] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:16] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] MLanden: thanks :) hmm interesting :) [23:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:17] raela: LQ HCL doesn't list that board [23:17] BP{k}, would be cool proj to see if armedslack wouuld take..:) [23:18] hmm [23:19] chegney: next test would be to look for it on newegg and search reviews for linux [23:21] MLanden: hm indeed. Interesting to see they've come down in price much. [23:21] what's the price for one? [23:22] raela: newegg has no reviews [23:22] raela: it's a very new board [23:22] chegney: well, it might not be a problem anyway. doubt it'd hurt to try [23:22] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:22] chegney: this is what I run slack on : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378 [23:23] ang: seems O2 are selling them now for abotu £49, they were about a 149 a year ago. [23:23] is there a faster way to transfer files over a network instead of scp -r? [23:24] raela: here's mine... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131616 [23:24] BP{k}: that's about $70 USD. pretty cheapo [23:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:25] ang: indeed :) [23:25] chegney: well, try it, and if you're really concerned, maybe look up other boards with the same chipsets and see how they go [23:25] raela: nice board! [23:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:26] chegney: I got to have fun :) ordered / built it, but didn't pay for it. it's the lab workstation [23:26] what procs you running? [23:27] 2x xeon e5520 [23:27] wow, how you cooling that? [23:27] BP{k}, from what I've seen..it's can be USB bootloaded..dunno if any solderin' need be applied [23:28] the stock intel coolers.. bsts-somethings? sorry, don't remember offhand [23:28] are those multicore procs? [23:28] asarch (~asarch@187.132.137.22) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:29] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:29] chegney: it's been running with full load to one core for almost 36 hours now and the highest core is at 53C [23:29] yes, it has 16 (each has 4 cores, plus hyperthreading) [23:30] raela: i'm surprised you can get by with the stock coolers [23:31] is the lap pretty cool? 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[23:47] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [23:49] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:50] raela: i've looked at 4 other boards, different brands, with the same proc support and north/south bridges, none of them are on LQ HCL [23:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:50] chegney: do you already own all of the hardware? [23:50] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:50] yeah [23:50] yeah, just put slackware on it and see [23:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Client Quit [23:51] you might not have support for all of the hardware monitoring, but that shouldn't be a big deal [23:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:53] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:55] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:56] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:56] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed Jun 9 2010