[00:00] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] i used to do it with 756M, and im doing it now with 1.256G [00:09] rAWjAW (n=rawjaw@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [00:09] hba: ping [00:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:11] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:11] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Morning Will" [00:11] rAWjAW: pong [00:12] You said you have a T61 with slackware 12.2 on it right? [00:12] rAWjAW: yeah, whats up? [00:13] Do you have the Nvidia grahpics card or the Intel? I have the intel and I can't watch videos in full screen and i've been bashing my head trying to figure it out [00:14] rAWjAW: compiz? [00:14] macavity: no, I don't need all the flashy stuff :P [00:14] rAWjAW: nvidia, have you check http://www.thinkwiki.org for help? [00:14] EXA or XAA? [00:15] grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:15] XAA does not work with XVideo [00:16] hba: yea I've tried that... Didn't help much [00:16] i maybe shouldnt ask this here, but you guyz are the only ones I usualy talk to... does anyone know of a torrent site that may have IU basketball games? Im gonna miss tuesdays game and the wife has dvr tied up for that day. [00:16] EXA works with XVideo but is flakey with compiz [00:16] vinnie_: you are right that you shouldnt ask in here [00:17] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] rAWjAW: also lenovo has their own section for linux, [00:17] http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board?board.id=Special_Interest_Linux [00:17] macavity: it says it is using EXA for acceleration [00:17] vinnie_: A) we do offically not condone "piracy" and B) this place has public logs that shows both timestamps and your hostmark.... [00:17] rAWjAW: what video player? [00:18] I've tried all of them [00:18] glxinfo | grep direct? [00:19] macavity: it says direct rendoring: Yes [00:19] ok, that IS weird [00:19] I know :-/ [00:19] you have all the right kind of mojo [00:20] do you have xine-ui ? [00:20] or rather, just "xine" [00:20] wait, [00:20] grep XVideo /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:21] Nothing [00:21] try Option "XVideo" "true" [00:22] it should not be nessecary to set it explicitly [00:22] but who knows.. [00:24] I tried updating my kernel, copied my .config file and used make oldconfig (then used default options for all (NEW) items), but when I got into my new kernel, my broadcom 4311 wireless card wouldn't even show up in ifconfig. What would cause that? [00:25] rAWjAW (n=rawjaw@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:25] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-153-131-8.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Should I attempt to use ath5k for my atheros wireless card or would madwifi be a better solution at this time? [00:27] `iwlist scan` doesn't show my wireless ap [00:27] hba (n=hba@189.188.156.55) left irc: "leaving" [00:27] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:29] is the iface up? [00:30] eg, ifconfig wlan0 up before iwlist wlan0 scan [00:30] personally i like ath5k alot.. it doenst contain any propietary blobs [00:31] macavity: thanx, didnt realy look at it as piracy since I could record it legally if my dvr wasnt already tied up. sorry for ruffling feathers [00:33] i could record many movies legally IF i had a dvr. so, i'll just grab them via torrents. :P [00:33] macavity, ifconfig wlan0 up returns back 'interface does not exist' [00:34] do you have wlan0 listed as an interface in inet1.conf? [00:34] night all. don't take any wooden nickels :) [00:34] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:34] did you modprobe the mod? [00:35] antler, no and no, how would I modprobe? [00:36] Cryp71c: that was at blackorca [00:36] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] oh lol [00:36] Cryp71c:try iwlist scanning [00:36] Cryp71c: if you dont know what modprobe is, then you should not be messing with kernel upgrades.. [00:36] lando_ (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] Cryp71c: did you do make modules_install? [00:37] macavity, I'm by no means a whiz in linux, but I'm working with complex things to learn as much as effeciently as I can. [00:37] macavity, yes [00:37] whats the drive name for your card? [00:37] b43? [00:37] oh, sorry, I was away haha [00:38] i had to use ndiswrapper bcm94311 (rev 02) here [00:38] macavity, yes, the iface is up [00:38] on 12.2 stock huge.s kernel. and had to rmmod ssb to load other [00:38] blackorca: and lsmod | grep ath5k is the deal? [00:39] macavity, ath5k is loaded [00:39] does dmesg say anything about phy0? [00:39] macavity, yes b43 [00:40] if it's a laptop it could be turned off by default [00:40] Cryp71c: you better talk to Rat409 [00:40] blackorca, and with the b43 module, ndiswrapper is unnecessary [00:40] uhm blackorca is on Atheros.. [00:40] But of course mine isn't working at all on 12.2 [00:40] I mis-read [00:40] macavity, 3 lines, should I paste here? [00:40] I meant for that be be to Rat409 [00:41] b43/b43-legacy failed here [00:41] on 12.2? [00:41] yes [00:41] blackorca: sure [00:41] ...gah, it works on the kernel that comes w/ slackware 12.2 [00:41] 3 is the magic number :P [00:41] ath5k_pci 0000:06:00.0: registered as 'phy0' [00:41] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] anymore than that will get slackboy pissed :P [00:41] phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'pid' [00:41] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] I keep mistyping. I got b43 working on the kernel that comes with 12.2 (2.6.27.3?) [00:41] well mines a rev 02 hp pavilion laptop [00:42] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] ath5k phy0: Atheros AR2424 chip found (MAC: blah blah, PHY: blah blah) [00:42] mines Acer extensa 4620Z [00:42] so I guess that's making the difference. [00:42] yuh [00:42] macavity, sorry those weren't all together, I had to manually write as internet isn't working on my laptop, obviously :) [00:43] Rat409, any idea why an entire device wouldn't show up in ifconfig? [00:43] even before I got the wireless working, ifconfig would show wlan0 but wouldn't 'up' [00:43] no firmware as in b43-fwcutter [00:43] (in the old kernel) [00:43] even after I put the firmware on. [00:43] hmm not atm sorry [00:44] macavity, ? [00:44] Do you have any idea? [00:45] Cryp71c: i have no clue about Broadcom [00:45] ive always stayed away from them... and this session shows why [00:45] macavity, according to http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k , I assume AR2424 isn't supported? [00:46] macavity, I mean with hardware in general (particularly with new versions of the kernel) [00:46] macavity, unless AR2424 is a subset of one of those MAC chips? (no clue?) [00:46] Cryp71c: well kernel architecture changes all the time with new kernel.org versions [00:46] oooh.. let me look into this.. this is one of those fun fun excercises in marketing numbering [00:47] it all depends on whatever it is a single package or two seperate chips [00:48] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] macavity, it looks as though it falls under AR5006EGS: http://www.atheros.com/pt/AR5006EGS.htm [00:49] Rat409, so significantly that old hardware wouldn't even come up? lspci clearly shows my wireless card, I just don't understand how it wouldn't at LEAST come up as a device that won't 'up' (like it did the first time) [00:50] well i multiboot and depending on drivers have seen interface names change like from wlan0 to eth1,eth2 .etc [00:50] blackorca: it *should* work... [00:50] i have two 5006 cards myself [00:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] no wait.. sorry [00:51] those are 5005 cards both [00:51] *however* the only difference between 5005 and 5006 cards *should* be PCIe [00:52] Rat409, well there weren't any extra devices that showed up. [00:52] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:52] dunno i'm out of ideas atm,sorry. hmm [00:52] I appreciate you helping. [00:52] Is there a log of what fails to load when the kernel loads? [00:53] a minidump of sorts? [00:53] dmesg,syslog probly in /var/log [00:53] dmesg | tail -n20 [00:53] last 20 lines,yes [00:54] thats a minidump, isnt it? :P [00:54] indeed [00:54] macavity, maybe I'll just compile madwifi and wait a little longer until ath5k is more developed [00:54] always beware of what you ask.. you may get just that :P [00:54] blackorca: what kernel version is that? [00:54] blackorca: vanilla 12.2 kernel? [00:54] macavity, stock with 12.2 -- 2.6.27.7-smp [00:55] roger... [00:55] all my machines are still on 12.1, but with .28.x kernels [00:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] i hate saying "good idea" to madwifi... [00:56] macavity, I assume upgrading to newer kernel = newer ath5k and thus a possibly it might work? [00:57] if you are not faint of heart, you can check out the wireless stack (mac80211) and ath5k from git and see if that gives you sweet love [00:57] possibility* [00:57] blackorca: it is more likely a mac80211 issue [00:57] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-005-039.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] blackorca: the new wireless stack facilitates rather simple drivers, instead of all the code reproduction that the old systems used [00:58] that is, mac80211 contains 90% of the code compared to a driver [00:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [00:59] macavity, are there any reasons not to go with madwifi? (I would give your suggestion a try, but I maintain several slack boxes and would rather keep them all relatively stock to make things easier :)) [01:00] besides the closed HAL, of course [01:01] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:02] no, i just develop a rash in a micro seccond when i come in contact with propietary software [01:03] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [01:03] im the local Free Software Foundation zealot [01:03] Greetings Programs! [01:03] NyteOwl: greetings tape worm [01:03] heh I'de like to give Aliant/Bell Canada a tapeworm [01:04] wouldnt that constitute biological warfare? [01:04] SOB's discontinued analog cell service in November but didn't notify anyone (at elast we didn;t get any). My mother tried to use her cell phone and it wouldn't work. Glad it wasn't an emergency [01:05] macavity, I know what you mean :) thanks for all the help though.. I'm going to go ahead and install madwifi, but the moment ath5k officially supports my card, I'll be giving that a go again :) [01:06] blackorca: the odd thing is that according to the page, only 5007 and 5008 cards have problems [01:06] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:07] macavity, is that for the latest mac80211 code from git, though? [01:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-005-039.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:11] blackorca: after close reading, ive come to the conclusion that it is infact not supported yet [01:11] blackorca: you could to to the mailing list and tell them that you have one of these cards [01:11] you see, both the revision before and the revision *after* yours is supported [01:12] so maybe it is because they dont have anyone to test? [01:15] macavity, yeah, I'll have to drop by and see if there's anything I can do [01:15] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:15] macavity, madwifi doesn't seem to be compiling anyway for whatever reason [01:15] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] are you using the slackbuild.org version? [01:16] What is the 'fuse' module do? [01:16] does* [01:16] provide a Filesystem in USErmode API [01:16] macavity, I'm trying to build from the source obtained from madwifi-project.org [01:17] blackorca: always use slackbuilds.org [01:17] blackorca: that way you also have good clean way of removing it again... should you want to switch to something else, or just because it doesnt work [01:17] macavity, I also came across this: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/madwifi/pkg/12.2/ [01:18] that probably works :-) [01:18] macavity, it's a prebuilt package.. not official, but it's under the slackware.com domain, so :) [01:18] alienBOB knows what he is doing [01:18] alienBOB: now dont you get delusions of grandure, you hear me? :P [01:19] blackorca: you can safely use anything you find under slackware.com [01:19] ...I downloaded the most recent kernel like 3 days ago and I think its an older version than whats up now. [01:19] ...how often do they update the kernel? [01:19] blackorca: no, it is not "official".. but it is good enough to be trust worthy :-) [01:19] dude, you don't always need the latest kernel [01:19] mythtv is quite a good piece of software [01:19] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:19] Cryp71c: if you are unlucky, 3 seconds after you downloaded [01:20] Action: spook is watching powerrangers, in HD [01:20] Cryp71c: if you are luckey... a couple of weeks [01:20] spook: yes [01:21] anyone wants some freshly brewed java softroast coffee? [01:21] yeah ok [01:21] pass us a mug [01:22] Action: macavity pass a huge coffee thermo keg around [01:22] How does electric sheep work? [01:22] Action: spook does a keg stand [01:22] mooglenorph: you plug them in, and off they go [01:22] at least thats the theory... [01:22] I mean, I'm finding it hard to figure out from the docs what it uses to switch the screensaver on. [01:22] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Does it hook into xscreensaver somehow? [01:23] but then they run out of chord, and so they are obviously not electrical any more.. just static objects [01:23] what wm are you using? [01:23] stumpwm [01:23] is that a DE? [01:23] Action: macavity facepalms [01:24] No, it isn't. [01:24] It's a tiling window manager. It is very nice, actually. [01:24] then use xcreensaver [01:24] tiling window manager #14534 [01:25] i usually just setterm to turn off screen after 5 minutes [01:25] mooglenorph: however, you are behind the times.. "awesome" is the cult wm of the week... [01:25] if i'm not at my computer i'm not there to watch the screen saver [01:25] Beh. I don't like it. stumpwm is in common lisp. it is very easy to hack. [01:25] spook: but, but, but... what about the air in the room.. shouldnt it be allowed to watch a purdy purdy screensaver? [01:26] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-158-99.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:26] (I want it to entertain the people who sleep in my room when I am not there) [01:26] macavity: what about the power bill? whos going to pay it? [01:26] lol [01:26] (such that they are not tempted to actually *touch* the computer) [01:26] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-158-99.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:26] mooglenorph: that is called "BIOS password" [01:26] macavity, well now my access point is showing up :) wicd is complaining about encryption not being enabled (I'm using WPA2 for my ap) [01:27] xlockmore [01:27] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:27] macavity, I'll take a look at the wicd page online and see if I can figure this out [01:27] blackorca: its a shame that hardware vendors put us in this situation :-/ [01:28] blackorca: btw, there is no cuch thing as "WPA2" (yes, i'm being an nag about it) [01:28] blackorca: you need to set wicd to use encryption for that ap. its not like windows where it tries (poorly) to autodetect [01:28] macavity: actually there is :P [01:28] blackorca: there is WEP and WPA.. WPA can be driven by TKIP and CCMP [01:28] macavity, yeah, I had to deal with nvidia last week.. apparently they put my card in the legacy drivers now... of which the "stable" drivers didn't compile on my desktop.. I had to use some beta drivers [01:29] s/compile/link/ [01:29] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] dont belive for a seccond they will let you see the code [01:30] spook, I think I figured it out, hold on [01:31] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] okay, connected using wicd now :) excellent, thanks :) [01:31] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [01:31] macavity, so what is it that they call WPA2? [01:32] that would be WPA with CCMP [01:32] wpa "1" was a stop gap measure while wpa "2" was still being standardised etc [01:33] it is formalized [01:33] the only difference was CCMP [01:33] yeah. [01:33] its still WPA-PSK, WPA-EAP, WPA-TLS etc [01:33] just another encryption scheme [01:34] ah [01:34] even the key negotiation and the three-way-hand-shake is the same [01:34] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:34] TKIP is the same "method" just implimented with RC4 instead of AES [01:35] when we plug AES in there it is called CCMP instead [01:35] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [01:35] Action: NyteOwl getting really pissed off now. to upgrade to a digital phone means giving up the current rate plan which is MUCH better than anything they currently offer. fsckers [01:35] should use double DES. [01:35] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [01:35] spook: great joke :P [01:35] NyteOwl: cell phones and cell phone plans suck in canada. nothing new. [01:35] macavity: yeah i like it. [01:36] spook: how about rot13 now that we are at it? :P [01:36] why not DES then rot13 then DES [01:36] because three jokes doesnt make it three times as funny? [01:37] wtf sign up with a wireless service for THREE years. fsck that. [01:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:37] the only thing wrong with CCMP is that it doesnt run md6 on the psk before it gets used :P [01:37] that would very effectively kill stupid passphrases [01:38] is there anything wrong with using wicd, or would manual configuration be preferable? [01:38] blackorca: that depends on the scenario [01:38] blackorca: for a workstation i would set up wpa_supplicant manually... but for a laptop that makes little sense [01:39] yeah, so I'll just stick with wicd [01:39] blackorca: it boils down to: do you want users to be able to switch networks? [01:39] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [01:39] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [01:40] hmmm interesting question, does wicd allow multiple clients to run? [01:40] or does it break [01:41] I'd give it a try, but I'm downloading something atm on my laptop haha [01:41] spook, I'm running two clients now, seems to work fine [01:41] what i mean is, linux is multiuser. what happens if you start having multiple X sessions each with wicd-client running [01:41] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [01:41] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [01:41] spook: its a deamon [01:42] spook: that is, you run one deamon and several clients *to* the deamon [01:42] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [01:42] spook: but naturally, it would require driver level support (and probably also some nasty OS hacks) to allow each user to be on their own networks [01:43] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:43] macavity: i know how wicd works, i'm just curious [01:43] you would probably have the clients fight over what network to connect to [01:43] Action: spook helped a little with forward porting experimental branch to have the fixes in trunk [01:44] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:45] but arent the config files centralised. [01:45] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:48] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-464431dda95ea06f) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Nick change: Spiko_ -> spiko [01:48] if you define several networks that wicd will allow you to connect to (or "any"), then it is indeed interesting what would happen with several xsessions running, where each user tells his client that he want a different network [01:49] macavity: umm. . there is nothing interesting .. wicd will show them all the same network connected to [01:49] which one is connected is a race [01:49] but once something is connected all teh wicd-clients will show wicd connected to that network .. [01:49] when you add connection details for a network, i.e; the key etc, its stored in /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf [01:51] i'm in #wicd and have asked adam and... cant remember the other guy atm [01:51] perhaps this discussion is best continued there? [01:51] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] blech.. its not that much of an issue [01:52] why is wicd in /extra? [01:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb247.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] blackorca: because its only matured since after like 12.1 [01:53] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:54] spook, so it'll eventually be added to the main tree? [01:54] not that it matters really [01:54] blackorca: and here in the slackware camp we only trust stuff that has been known-good for at least five years :P [01:54] maybe, maybe not. [01:54] how long was slackpkg in /extra ? [01:54] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] too long.. by Patrick's own admission [01:55] but hey, slackpkg *had* to be nothing short of damn rock solid [01:55] its a shell script. [01:55] after all.. its the tool you recover your system with after you have trashed it [01:55] so? [01:55] shell scripts have bugs too [01:56] yeah. [01:56] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:56] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "leaving" [01:56] on 12.1 it is a 476 line shellscript [01:56] in 12.0 it was rock solid for me, never had any problems [01:56] likewise [01:57] that is probably why patrick indirectly appoligiest for pulling it in so late [01:57] it should, imho, have gone into 12.0 [01:59] yeah [01:59] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] but the man handles how many packages? [02:00] whr did he apologise ? [02:00] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-c1c4d5eeea354d4c) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] duryodhan: because it was a known fact to all of the slackware community that slackpkg is *the* shit for package handeling [02:01] macavity: where not WHY .. [02:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:01] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] duryodhan: like, "hey developer of slackpkg... this IS good, and i have overlooked it for too long" [02:01] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [02:01] duryodhan: oh, in the changelog and the announcement of 12.2 [02:01] unless you're trying to use some thirdparty rotting festering repo, in which case slapt-get is the best way to destroy your system that way [02:01] slackpkg works nice with slackbuilds ? [02:01] nope [02:02] slackpkg does nothing with slackbuilds [02:02] slackpkg works with offical slackware packages [02:02] sbopkg works with slackbuilds [02:03] sbopkg is damn nice too imho [02:03] there is even a tiny snip of my code in it :P [02:03] basically, slackbuilds matches best with slackware. having a repo of packages would be a nightmare. [02:04] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:04] also it keeps newbs away [02:04] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-c336bdb15c27d58a) joined ##slackware. [02:04] if we had some huge community repo and automatic dependency resolution we would be wading in idotic questions [02:04] oh wow, wicd works on bootup.. I suppose it would, just didn't think so for some reason :) [02:05] j0z (n=JESUS@201-89-67-42.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:05] since there are often updates to software that people want between releases, any official repo would be horribly out of date because of the workload to keep it up to date. other repos would be setup, and they would be not much better than lp.net [02:05] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] exactly [02:06] also slackbuilds are largely compatible with slamd64, once the libs are pointed at lib64 [02:06] or not, since slamd64 is multilib [02:06] configure picks that up [02:07] the *only* problem with GNU autotools is that they cant be ported to windows [02:07] hence "all the others" have emerged [02:07] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:07] They can. [02:07] Kinda. [02:07] MinGW. [02:08] sorta sorta [02:08] that is just the toolchain port [02:08] I was building Win32 Pidgin with Cygwin + MinGW. [02:08] macavity: most slackbuilds i've seen hardcode the --lib for configure [02:09] My internal builds use a lib variable so I can build on both Slackware and Slamd64. [02:09] spook: --lib-dir= ? [02:09] yeah think so. [02:09] Likewise the distro flag (since I have pkgtools on a few CentOS boxes) [02:09] thats where the app will put its own libs [02:10] it should like to the right system libs by default [02:10] night all [02:10] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [02:10] *link [02:10] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:11] macavity: someone wrote a python script to fix slackbuilds, lemme see what it does [02:14] macavity: i stand corrected, yeah just changes that. [02:15] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] i dont remember if i have asked you yet, but do you have any Intel grapchics based systems? [02:16] mkultra (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:16] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:16] mkultra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Hoofboy, you're annoying. Go away. [02:16] my eeepc [02:16] ahh :-) [02:16] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:16] what incarnation is that using? [02:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:16] would slackpkg be good to use to keep several boxes up to date using a local repo? [02:16] all on slack 12.2 stable [02:17] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics [02:17] blackorca: not really [02:17] i lie, my router has intel graphics [02:17] blackorca: yes it would [02:17] macavity: my eeepc: 12.2. router: 12.1 [02:17] blackorca: unless you are prepared to figure out how slackpkg works [02:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:17] blackorca: that is how i keep my slackware systems updated [02:18] me too. [02:18] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] nullboy: huh? wouldnt that require that you update PACKAGES.TXT every time you add/remove a package? [02:18] macavity: uh?? [02:18] wtf? [02:19] macavity: rsync the local repo with an official one [02:19] Action: macavity blinks [02:19] ah, then i missed what he was really asking [02:19] i though "local repo" meant "my own additions" [02:19] main server on lan rsyncs to internet mirror. lan hosts mount the share/export and use it as the file:// path in slackpkg's mirror [02:19] mirror file* [02:19] blackorca: is this what you mean? [02:19] nullboy: i use http, http://spooksoftware.com/slackware/ [02:20] macavity, yes, sorry for the confusion :) [02:20] blackorca: local copy of official packages? [02:20] ok, then yes [02:20] correct [02:20] blackorca: you can copy my rsync script if you want [02:20] slackpg is the hottest chick in town for that :-) [02:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [02:21] mircuist- (i=info@89-28-88-91.starnet.md) joined ##slackware. [02:22] her and slapt-get should have a mud wrestling competition [02:22] spook: gezuz.. i though all EeePCs ran at least 945 [02:23] macavity: that is my router, a p4 [02:23] spook, I would only need to sync with the patches/packages directory, right? [02:23] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:23] blackorca: ummm... probally the package list and changelog too [02:23] since slackpkg uses tho [02:23] se [02:24] spook: all the more reason for you to help out with my new project :P [02:24] macavity: my eeepc has 945GME [02:24] didnt you just say 82830G? [02:24] 82865G [02:24] thats the router [02:24] spook, ah, okay, well I'll figure it out tomorrow, too late to think much more tonight :) [02:24] ahh [02:24] okies [02:25] well.. you should still give a hand :P [02:25] blackorca: once you've got the entire package tree. i.e; from the dvd, its easier to just rsync the whole tree [02:25] macavity: sure if you want. [02:25] the name of the game is to produce backtraces for the xorg/mesa people [02:26] ive figured out how to make "offline-debug"-files [02:26] that is, you produce two files: the stripped binary and a file that only contains the debug info [02:26] squ (n=ryu@ip-73-11.zb.lv) joined ##slackware. [02:26] to the end goal of...? [02:27] spook, ah, okay, thanks :) [02:27] then you use objcopy to add a link in the stripped binary to the debug file.. thus you can make fully debuggable backtraces, but run at full speed [02:27] spook: have you heard about the comming of the light to mankind known as Gallium3D? [02:27] blackorca: if you do it right, then only the patches get downloaded [02:28] macavity: nope :P [02:28] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-157-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:28] spook: that is THE shit of the century [02:28] spook: it is an entirely new graphics stack [02:28] oh cool << probally an understatement [02:29] the short version: a stack that models how modern hardware works, but has the added feature that it can "fill in" for short-cummings in your particular chip [02:29] so what do you want me to do? [02:29] and does it need X running? [02:30] that is, it uses LLVM to compile shader language into either-of-or-and specific GPU instructions and MMX/SSE/3DNow instructions [02:31] the *cool* thing about it is that LLVM is an agressively optimizing compiler (like GCC) [02:31] "old method" of doing 3D is to have the driver issue little peices of shader code to the GPU as the scene is build [02:32] oh okay. /me has done a graphics unit at uni which used opengl [02:32] with Gallium/LLVM all the shader code that is required to build the scene is gathered in a pipeline, which LLVM then runs an optimizing pass over [02:32] that is, it makes GPUs work less to do the same amount of work [02:32] neat or what? [02:33] yeah quite neat [02:33] preliminary tests shows 10x speed boost for even simple stuff [02:33] available now at walmart for 59.99! [02:33] the Intel, ATI and Nouveau drivers are being ported to this [02:34] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:34] heh that does sound cool, though [02:34] so, my mission is to produce easy-to-use tools for slackware to build all this [02:35] and make sure it doesnt collide with the onboard versions of xorg/mesa [02:35] ive already got a good portion of the buildscripts done [02:36] im still working on the debugging part [02:37] the Intel chips are the first ones to get support [02:37] hehe i likde that : "short-cummings" [02:38] sigh [02:38] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:38] squ (n=ryu@ip-73-11.zb.lv) left ##slackware. [02:38] greetings and goodmorning [02:39] howdoo The-Croupier [02:39] how are you doing bro [02:39] good. you? everything's good? [02:39] for two reasons: A) Intel has paid Tungsten Graphics to do so, and B) The intel stuff is not exactly a "full hardware pipeline", so once the hooks to make up for this are in place, virtually every other chip has easy access to mix-and-match between on-GPU or on-CPU rendering [02:39] yep [02:40] spook: do you want some cool(TM) reading about this? its easy enoug to digest for someone with your level of experience [02:40] ? [02:41] just tell me what you need and i'll do it [02:41] euphemism: it was written in the language of idiots [02:42] spook: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/ [02:42] spook: Zack is also a run writer :P [02:42] spook: ill come back to you with a ton of buildscripts soon :P [02:43] spook: but i imagine that you will want to build the packages on another machine.... [02:44] spook: the whole ball of wax takes about 30 minutes on my T7400... id hate to see what that translates into on an EeePC :P [02:44] is this GPU pipeline similar in anyway to a CPU pipeline in that the longer it gets, the bigger hit you incure when you have to flush the pipeline, say due to a a wrong branch prediction? [02:45] macavity: doesnt work with distcc? [02:45] spooook [02:45] nix_chix0000r how are you and the little terror? [02:46] sleep well? [02:46] lol [02:46] 6 more freakin weeks yo. and yeah i slept alright. got myself a personal leg shaver now he does such a great job [02:47] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [02:48] well i suppose that way he makes sure you dont use his razor [02:48] well I need some sleep so I'll talk to everyone later [02:48] thanks for all the help :) [02:48] men razors shave better to be honest [02:48] i should just start buying those [02:48] spook: if you export CC=distcc before building, then yes, i would assume so [02:48] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-153-131-8.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware (":)"). [02:49] spook: but!... i dont know for sure... does other .SlackBuilds work with distcc?!? [02:49] i use CC="ccache gcc" [02:49] generally, yeah [02:50] 131 dead in fires around melbourne [02:50] WOW [02:50] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] thats bad... thats baaaaad [02:50] who mistook a gaz station for a water outlet?!? [02:51] really those people who died were either a) really unlucky or b) stupid [02:51] like when ohio dumped a vat of hydroflouric acid in their water because they thought it was flouride [02:51] those who lost their homes mostly have themselves to blame for not clearing a firebreak or cleaning their gutteres [02:52] though whole towns have been burned to the ground [02:52] ouch [02:52] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:53] media are billing it as australia's worst natural disaster [02:53] looks like it [02:54] macavity: do you need any webspace? [02:56] rworkman is getting back to me about that [02:56] AWESOME. telstra next G ad, and it showed the person using firefox [02:56] macavity: even as a mirror [02:57] its just a handfull of scripts.. [02:57] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:57] since this is inherently git work, there is no point in packages [02:58] again, i can offer anon git [02:58] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-228.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [03:00] thx for the offer, but ill stick with rworkman's offer [03:00] a high speed ftp server is "all" i need [03:00] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:00] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:00] ah, highspeed is not what i am offering. [03:02] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] hey guys i have a partition sda3 that i broke the other day.. if i delete and recreate with fdisk... is that the way to go..or can i format it somehow with something else? [03:03] while using the other partitions running slackware [03:04] unless you made an expert clusterfuck of it, you could just reformat it [03:04] that is, litterally broke the partition itself, rather than just the filesystem [03:04] or try to diagnose the error and fix it, reinstall is such a windows solution [03:05] is sda3 your swap? [03:05] The-Croupier: what did sda3 hold? [03:06] mkfs.xfs /dev/sda3 [03:06] macavity: backups [03:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:06] but they already gone :( [03:06] its alright i had them in external hdd, now i just want to make it usable again [03:07] im using reisef in the current partition... [03:07] mkfs.reiser /dev/sda3 [03:07] Action: Camarade_Tux is still looking for *recent* xfs vs jfs vs whatyouwantfs [03:07] shall i make it the same for the other partition ? or it wouldnt matter if its ext3 or not ;) [03:08] ummmm [03:08] U-Neeks (i=555@189-11-236-253.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] hmmm, recent *benchmarks [03:08] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] The-Croupier: so if you fdisk -l /dev/sda what does it show for partition 3? [03:08] spook: just linux [03:09] huh? [03:09] The-Croupier: so its just a matter of mkfs.filesystemofchoice /dev/sda3 assuming that its the filesystem thats screwed, and not the contents of the filesystem [03:10] The-Croupier: fdisk it to change partition type before doing mkfs.fsofchoice [03:10] duryodhan: why that? [03:10] ... 0x83 is alright ! [03:10] (0x83 is linux) [03:10] The-Croupier: you dont need to use fdisk to solve your problem. [03:11] thought so ;) [03:11] The-Croupier: if you are using any of the linux fs you don't need it .. but if you are using say fat or ntfs you need to change it via fdisk [03:11] thats all [03:11] that was well quick...should it be that quick? [03:12] ys [03:12] if you want slow, first fill it with random bytes [03:12] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda3 bs=512 [03:12] The-Croupier: how big is the partition and what fs did you use? [03:12] duryodhan: no,i used 0x83 [03:12] yes it is supposed to be quick [03:12] there is rarely any reason for a format to take time [03:13] partition 95Gb and i used the reiserfs [03:13] fdisk changes thing instantly, mkfs differs depends on FS and partition size [03:13] it took like 5sec [03:13] spook: a 'quick' format doesn't scrub the hard disk of old things .. just recreates teh journal etc. [03:13] try making 2TB ext3 partition, that can take a while for it write all the inode tables [03:13] i only have a dual core cpu, and a normal 5400rpm hdd [03:14] spook: im well impressed with how quick it was.. ;) [03:14] its hdd speed that matters in this case. [03:14] well, says i have to reboot, so lets see what happens [03:14] not sure how reiser works but 95gb isnt much in the scheme of things [03:14] ohh, do i need to mount it or anything like that? [03:14] yes you need to mount it [03:14] why do you need to reboot? [03:15] fstab? [03:15] yeah fstab [03:15] if it was / you'll also need to change fstab [03:15] the two numbers at the end need to be like 1 and something [03:16] it doesnt appear in fstab at all [03:16] you need to add it [03:16] spook: yep i remember [03:16] fstab is not autogenerated [03:16] duryodhan: /dev/urandom is *dog slow* compared to /dev/null which does the job just as good [03:16] mtab is though [03:16] Action: Camarade_Tux leaves, see you guys (and gals^W nix_chix0r) [03:16] nini Camarade_Tux [03:16] macavity: one is write only the other is read only so umm... [03:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] macavity: are you sure it does the job just as good ? [03:17] comeagain? [03:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:17] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:17] /dev/urandom is ro [03:17] macavity: I remember somewhere that you need to write it with random data to really make it forget the old stuff [03:17] macavity: /dev/urandom is not slow.. /dev/random is dog slow [03:17] macavity: /dev/null is wo [03:17] macavity: but yaeh compared to /dev/null it is certainly slow [03:17] ahh fsck [03:17] spook: thx [03:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:17] you are thinking of /dev/zero [03:17] macavity: ohh .. you might have meant /dev/zero [03:17] /dev/zero [03:18] its getting early :P [03:18] you can also pipe yes 0 [03:18] A counterpart to /dev/random is /dev/urandom ("unlocked" random source) which reuses the internal pool to produce more pseudo-random bits. This means that the call will not block, but the output may contain less entropy than the corresponding read from /dev/random. The intent is to serve as a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator. This may be used for less secure applications. [03:18] from the wikipedia article on /dev/random [03:18] or as rworkman puts it, /exec -o yes i want to spam the channel [03:18] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:19] aww comeon .. only few of us are actually awake [03:19] uhm, /dev/urandom is just a file implementation of the urandom function [03:19] hi -- after a fresh install, xchat should have gui spell-checking on, right? [03:19] duryodhan: random will block reads if it runs out of entropy, urandom will never block [03:19] and it seems /dev/random is writeable too [03:19] see random(4) [03:19] /dev/sda3 /the-croup reiserfs defaults 1 1 =>that would be alright yeah? [03:19] yeah [03:19] spook: exactly .. thats why I said its not dog slow compared to /dev/random [03:20] but still slow compared to /dev/zero [03:20] and no, there is no need to "shred" the drive like that [03:21] a single overwrite with blanks is sufficient... unless you want to make sure that not even disc forensic tools can recover the data [03:21] if you want to shred the drive, you need to do it properly with dban [03:21] how was it that I could check packages I have again? ls /var/ something-something :x [03:22] shred does the job.. just dont use it on individual files when on a jurnaled filesystem [03:22] /var/log/packages/packagename [03:22] macavity: thats what I meant. . the op was surprised it was soo fast .. I said ok ... if you want slow ... try this :) [03:22] whats the recommended value for dump-freq and pass-num ?/ [03:22] for my various partitions [03:23] 09:21 < duryodhan> macavity: I remember somewhere that you need to write it with random data to really make it forget the old stuff [03:23] only root should have 0 for the first, iirc, others should have 1, unless you want to fsck EVERY time its mounted [03:23] then i missunderstood ^^ [03:24] it forgets fine with all zeroes [03:24] macavity: uggh.. for the user he doesn't even have to do /dev/zero .. but if you really want to forget it (like from a disc forensics guy) then you need to scrub with /dev/(u)random [03:24] it wont hold up for pros using pro tools [03:24] duryodhan: in that case a single write over with random data wont cut it [03:24] duryodhan: see shred(1) [03:25] or dban [03:25] dban is fun to have at lan parties [03:25] dban? [03:25] jfgi [03:25] shred claims not to work on reiserfs/ext3 etc. [03:25] lulz, microsoft logic, http://cnb.se/~anders/windows.jpg [03:25] read that again please [03:26] bootable iso that boots and automatically DESTROYS all data on all discs on a system [03:26] it doesnt work on individual files on it [03:26] its like NSA certified [03:26] but if you shred the entire partition, then its kinda obvious that the journal has no implications [03:26] spook: just reading about it now [03:26] ... as you shred the journal too [03:26] spook: indeed sounds like fun parties [03:27] macavity: unless you are tricky and have a journal on another disc [03:27] spook: if you have a journal on another disk you know what you are doing :P [03:27] not that in that case the journal would have anything left to journal [03:27] spook: but dban wont work on the backup in your fire safe either ;-) [03:28] thats what the nitrate charges are for [03:28] wtf ,, have you guys ever heard of the acronyms mentioned in http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/family/13415032/detail.html ? [03:28] spook: thermite :P [03:28] duryodhan: what does "wtf" say? [03:29] wax thy feet? [03:29] whip the fox? [03:29] WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck [03:29] spook: jfgi [03:29] :P [03:29] duryodhan: there is a command in bsd-games called wtf [03:29] what in my case [03:29] james found girls intriguing? [03:30] Action: spook whips macavity [03:30] have you ever heard of NALOPKT as an internet acronym ?!?! [03:30] lol.. wtf doesnt know lmao [03:31] what about SDN ? [03:31] Natural Adaptive Language Optimized Kernel Target[s] [03:32] Nick change: duryodhan -> duryodhan_away [03:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:32] duryodhan_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [03:32] i should work for a big corp PR devision.. i have an aptitude for buzz words :P [03:32] good. [03:32] lol.. pwnd by da slackboy [03:32] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-464431dda95ea06f) joined ##slackware. [03:32] poona (i=80de2514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f868e7ba489c671) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:33] ughh .. how do I silently set my mode to away ? [03:33] rtfm? [03:33] or stop using bitchx [03:33] chatzilla [03:33] lol [03:33] duryodhan: you a) dont need to or b) use /away which is part of the rfc on IRC [03:33] just make sure it doesnt change your nick to "*away" [03:33] moos == members of opposite sex (does that mean that women are cows??) [03:33] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-c336bdb15c27d58a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:34] The-Croupier: rofl [03:34] The-Croupier: not if it's a woman who call us mooms..... [03:34] *moos [03:34] macavity: now mooms is another story [03:34] :p [03:34] nick changing is bad nettitique [03:34] The-Croupier: only if they are not L(es...), in which case they are of the same seks [03:34] duryodhan: while we are at it: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [03:35] duryodhan: if people want to know wether you are away, they can /whois yournick and it will tell them how long you have been idle. [03:35] The-spiki: either way they seem to be cows ;) [03:35] duryodhan: just so you dont fall into another trap... ##slackware is one of the strictest places i know.. and i like it that way :P [03:35] Action: The-Croupier loves women [03:35] oh man.. i could eat half a cow now [03:35] lol [03:36] The-Croupier: only the hetero ones... L's are good :) [03:36] why did we have to talk about meat-on-legs again? [03:36] cow meaning women? [03:36] no [03:36] macavity: what does L mean...not a good idea searching for it in google ;) [03:36] macavity: cow meaning cat? [03:36] cow meaning the big animal that delivers its flesh to my ever lasting hunger for blood and gore [03:36] s/cat/pussy/ [03:37] The-spiki: why do you have to make the conversation dirty [03:37] The-Croupier: ask The-spiki... hes theone that said it [03:37] he is hungry [03:37] macavity: im thinking about it...but he will make it a dirty conversation [03:37] ok, shower, food, meeting, back to writing buildscripts for xorg/mesa [03:38] and its too early in the morning and im surounded by hot students (85% of them females) [03:38] macavity: good luck [03:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] :) [03:39] The-spiki: i'd be a 24 hour tripod [03:39] btw, my apologies to all the woman on the # [03:39] erm, The-Croupier [03:39] yes spook ... [03:39] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:40] Aahhh the place looks nice and clean now =] [03:41] spook: im not a woman, but i wouldnt talk about them in the morning, knowing full well that i have to stay and teach like 45 of them, and knowing 15of them are models, and 20yo, and slutty,..and i have to stay here till 5pm (its only 10.40now) [03:41] every girl with a camera is a professional protographer. [03:41] The-Croupier: yeah its a hard life being a man at a school [03:41] i have a gf that i love very much and all this, but starting from now.. well the temptations are many and severe [03:41] every girl without one is a model [03:41] hahaha [03:42] spook: im glad you understand [03:42] The-Croupier: been there too :-( [03:42] where in school? [03:43] Technical Support :/ [03:43] i did some it work at my highschool, after i'd graduated. i'd developed quite a thing for the uniforms... [03:43] spook: yep me too [03:43] spook: i went to work at the school i refused to go to haha [03:43] Action: The-Croupier slapping himself to get back to senses [03:43] lots of very very disturbed children. [03:44] Action: The-Croupier goes out for a cigarette [03:44] seeyou guys in 10mins [03:44] Action: acidchild lights one up =P [03:44] my gf also went to my hs, still has her uniform so umm... [03:45] spook: mmm mine wears it around the house all the time [03:45] just the skirt... [03:45] thank god for ass [03:46] the shirt is a bit tight on her now... [03:46] get her a new one [03:46] i like it the way it is [03:47] i love it when she bends over to go in the fridge [03:47] :P [03:47] "coffee?" "mmm yep" [03:48] acidchild: why did you move everything in the fridge to the bottom shelf? :P [03:48] http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/desktop.jpg [03:48] fridge is on the left [03:48] no need to move anything, she's tall :-] [03:49] no, that is "put everything on the bottom shelf.. that way you get some excercise, and i get to drool" :P [03:49] i can see how that would be a bit distraction [03:49] acidchild: wtf at those screens on the left [03:49] XD [03:50] http://www.massmultiples.com/products/c17/c3h17.htm [03:50] acidchild, nice bong ;) [03:51] xD! thanks, its got a light bulb in the top :D [03:51] man, this channel is full of weirdos, perverts and weedheads... [03:51] maybe that is why if fit in so nicely? [03:51] yep [03:51] xD [03:51] and geeks? [03:51] the perfect irc channell.. [03:51] acidchild: oh fuck yes [03:52] acidchild: yeah.. thats what i said :P [03:52] macavity: :-P [03:52] spook: ;) [03:52] spook: top screen is a extention of my EEEPC [03:53] the other day i need graphics cards for to maybe a new boxen i'm gonna get. then do that thing where you can join them all together regardless of machine they are connected too [03:53] spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] the others* [03:54] xhost or synergy? [03:54] synergy is what i've looked at. [03:54] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [03:56] xhost is good if you are using only xwindows [03:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:56] yeah [03:56] cool, i'll remember that. [03:57] xhost just uses the built-in capability in X [03:57] i really should get round to setting up multi-pointer X one day [03:57] hehe. [03:59] could be fun. [03:59] i got that screen array for free :-P [04:00] alrite sleep time, being taken for dinner tomorrow =] [04:00] well lunch... [04:01] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:02] damn... my scripts are getting uber 1337 :P [04:04] macavity: lol [04:04] im still learning scripting [04:04] :( [04:04] just do it [04:04] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "::" [04:04] Action: The-Croupier when started got scared cos loved it too much [04:04] take some of the advanced slackbuilds [04:05] you see virtually all of the syntax in those [04:05] macavity: definatelly [04:05] that is, sane-style-shell-scripting [04:05] i wrote a script using wget at work to make a .csv for importing into email [04:05] The-Croupier: else the ABS guide at tdlp.org is pretty good [04:06] i dont know how to make it get the output of something and tunnel it in something else [04:06] use shell variables [04:06] or pipe :P [04:06] you mean, how to make your own shellscripts work when piped to? [04:07] eg cat file | The-Croupier.sh ? [04:07] oh that [04:07] actually i dont know that either [04:07] macavity: say of example you say cat /etc/slackware-version and you want to get only the 12.2 [04:07] on the word slackware [04:07] on /not [04:08] ah, awk/sed/grep is for things like that [04:08] or cut [04:08] depending on the case [04:08] oh can i use grep the same way? like ls /var/log/packages/ | grep sec [04:09] yes among other ways and things [04:09] and do the same for inside a file? [04:09] spook: thanks [04:09] Action: The-Croupier goes to read some more ;) see you guys soon [04:09] lines ending with && work the same as in shell right? (last question) [04:10] as in where else? [04:10] what you write on the command line IS shell scripting [04:10] ;) [04:10] ummm [04:10] it is just one line at the time [04:10] so i dont need the && in the end then ;) [04:11] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-157-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:11] if you put && and the *end* you get an error [04:11] command1 && command2 means "fire off command1, and if does not choke, run command2" [04:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [04:12] using ; doesnt care about choking [04:12] whereas "command1 &" means "run command1 in the background" [04:12] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [04:12] in a little script i put echo $DISPLAY && then underneath merge ~username/.x [04:13] The-Croupier: there is no need for && there.. echo will always return true, regardless of the content of $DISPLAY [04:13] thats what i meant, so i dont need stuff like that in the end of each line ;) [04:13] got it [04:13] thanks [04:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:13] ok, you need to follow a manual [04:13] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-157-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:14] The-Croupier: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [04:14] The-Croupier: follow that [04:16] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:17] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com expired. [04:17] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:17] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:18] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) joined ##slackware. [04:18] kjell: it is not a swing door! :P [04:18] huh [04:19] yeah, i know.. look who is talking :P [04:19] ive been doing perpetual quit/join sessions ever since i startet bugging with xorg [04:19] ... because i am to lazy to figure out how to run a screen session [04:20] macavity, screen -d -m -U "irssi" [04:21] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] screen/irssi/linode ftw [04:21] -U its just for utf8, no need for that if you dont care about áéíóú :P [04:22] http://www.massmultiples.com/products/c19/c4q19.htm [04:22] Action: spook drools [04:23] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] kjell (n=kjell@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) joined ##slackware. [04:23] spook: the 3 way panorama from before looks more usefull to me [04:24] check out the drop down box, they have all sorts of configurations [04:25] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9278D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:25] http://www.massmultiples.com/products/c19/c3h19d.htm [04:25] ok, 17 might cut it too :P [04:26] i cant figure out what difference between the D and non-D models [04:27] shower, meeting, scripting [04:27] bbl [04:27] I've got a 22" and a 19" side by side. But those are cool. [04:27] i have 2 19" that i bought at the same time. 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[04:47] damn.. the dude who invented the shower ought to be given a huge fscking medal! :P [04:49] chopp: um not really [04:49] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:49] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) joined ##slackware. [04:49] macavity: yes showers can be quite awesome when they become a team effort. [04:49] LOL [04:50] this was a solo mission, but the object was captured to the full satisfaction of yours truely [04:50] *objective [04:50] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:50] chopp: other side of the country from me [04:50] um not sure what you mean by that, but good for you [04:51] i was just trying to retort in an amusing way [04:52] but, allas, it is almost eleven o clock in the morning, and i havent slept, so my humor skills are deminishing rapidly [04:53] THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #18 -- C- <3 fortune [04:53] This language was named for the grade received by its creator when [04:53] he submitted it as a class project in a graduate programming class. C- is [04:53] best described as a "low-level" programming language. In fact, the language [04:53] Channel flood from spook -- kicking [04:53] generally requires more C- statements than machine-code statements to execute [04:53] spook kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:54] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:54] did not expect that to have line breaks [04:54] sorry everyone! [04:55] :P [04:56] bbiahos [04:56] (be back in an hour or so) [04:56] i gathered [04:56] :P [04:56] afk [04:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-229.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] shinpo (n=giovanni@85-18-14-12.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Synergy looks like something I could use. Surprised nobody has made a slackbuild of it. [05:05] make one? [05:06] I plan on it. ;) [05:08] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-157-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:08] I have one [05:08] sharsies? [05:08] But synergy has not seen any development for years [05:08] spook: as usual: on http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/synergy/ [05:09] ah yes. [05:09] alienBOB: hmm, one of the rare times I don't check your repo. Should have known. [05:10] ..... [05:10] lol, pkg for slackware 10.2 [05:11] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-13-94.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:12] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-1aa0f47429faea3a) joined ##slackware. [05:14] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-157-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:20] hmm how do I list all sub directories present in a given dir ? [05:20] there is no modifier to ls it seems [05:21] find [05:24] shinpo (n=giovanni@85-18-14-12.fastres.net) left irc: "Leaving." [05:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [05:32] duryodhan; ls -R [05:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [05:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:33] no .. I just want to list all subdirs in a given dir [05:33] no recrusive [05:33] only the directories and not the files? [05:33] I finally decided to use find -type d and max depth / min depth [05:33] yeah [05:33] I think "ls -l| grep "^d"" [05:33] will also work [05:35] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] duryodhan: it does work that ;) [05:37] I am just suprised there is no clean way to do it directly [05:38] tntslack (n=will@adsl69-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:39] how can one count how many directories are there ? [05:39] duryodhan: theres no point adding an extra switch to ls when using grep it can be done [05:40] spook: that wil give me output with rwxrwx etc. which is not that easy to use compared to a simple ls output [05:40] I will have to cut etc. [05:40] now don't tell me that you can use cut too .. [05:40] by that reasoning nothing other than ls -l is needed [05:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-3454867e60576120) joined ##slackware. [05:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.18) joined ##slackware. [05:48] grep + cut [05:49] rather find -maxdepth 1 -type d [05:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:53] there are many ways to skin a cat [05:53] clear [05:55] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [05:55] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:56] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [06:00] to make a script run just by typing the name it goes to /sbin/ right? [06:02] um no [06:02] it just needs to be in your $PATH [06:02] /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:. [06:03] thats my current $PATH [06:06] spook ? for running it from anywhere [06:07] i add it to $PATH? hmm ok, thanks ill see how i can do that [06:07] No, you place the script in one of the driectories listed in your PATH [06:07] And /usr/local/bin is a common location for scripts you wrote yourself [06:08] alienBOB: i see , thanks [06:08] can i ln -s somehow and have a folder with all my scripts? just in case something happens and i dont remember what i added in there? [06:09] Action: The-Croupier has bad memory [06:21] just use /usr/local/bin [06:21] slackware doesnt put package binaries in there. [06:21] I have a script that links /opt/*/* to /usr/local/ [06:21] and put all my custom stuff into /opt [06:22] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.18.243.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:24] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:26] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.18.243.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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I'm sorry [07:44] Zordrak, I know what are they...I just didn't know what the d1,d2,d3 are [07:44] Well... it's that the mirrors *do* have the isos in general. [07:44] d1 could be disc 1 [07:44] Mukesh: these are cd parts. [07:44] Yes. [07:44] It is. [07:45] oh, so there are 2 options, 1 dvd, or 3 cd ? [07:45] Yesbox [07:45] maestrolinux (n=maestrol@190.13.226.104) joined ##slackware. [07:45] ok guys, thank you [07:45] maestrolinux (n=maestrol@190.13.226.104) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [07:46] Thanks for the correction Zosma. Embarrasing for me :-B [07:46] FAILburger with FAILcheese inya FAILface! [07:47] Hehe [07:47] ok, that was uncalled for... but i couldnt resist [07:47] kjell: nah, but it would be a bit pointless to let him search 64 mirrors before he realised they are valid isos. [07:47] macavity: Whatchadoingoneone [07:47] amidoinitright? [07:47] that should teach you a lesson about what kind of SOB i am [07:47] My foot is sleeping :< [07:48] Action: macavity shouts loudly at kjell's foot [07:48] kjell: i think it has gone into outright coma ZOMFG call an ambulance [07:48] Action: kjell pokes a stick in macavitys eye [07:48] INFECTED STICK!! [07:49] hey, that is only usefull if the room is full of chicks :P [07:49] Action: macavity staggeres around fumbling (on every breast near by), pretending to be blind [07:50] ok, ill despense with the standup commedy.. i am obviously too tired to have any subtle wit left :-/ [07:51] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:51] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:54] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. 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[08:24] xorg is pretty comfusing at times [08:24] it all depends on how much of the man pages and how organized your conf is [08:26] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:30] oh, the above was on observing the concepts and their implementations [08:31] no, the idealized xorg is not hard to neither configure, nor understand [08:31] but much of the interesting stuff is unfortunately highly driver dependant [08:31] Spiko (n=Spiko@fs.carpediem.si) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:32] but at least there is a solution underway that should rectify much of that [08:32] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:34] i prefer simplicity [08:35] oh, the basic X protocol is simple enough [08:35] Spiko_ (n=Spiko@fs.carpediem.si) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:35] simple a little in the same sense as assembly language for a paper chip is simple [08:36] that is, when you play with it, it stays simple [08:36] but from very simple things you can create very very complex things [08:37] that is known as "the real world" :P [08:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:45] oddsock (n=me@adsl-59-184.teol.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:51] SaEeDIRHA (n=chatzill@78-105-115-225.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) joined ##slackware. [08:53] hi, i want to install Slackware on my Asuse EEE laptop, and i have limited amount of space, 4GB, how can i do that? and what packages are essential ? the purpose of this laptop is to have KDE and Xfce desktops and SSH server. [08:55] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] well, for package sets, you can leave off t/ (tetex) and kdei (international kde stuff), to start [08:55] anyone can help ? [08:55] and e/ for emacs [08:56] SaEeDIRHA: ditch t/ e/ y/ kdei/ for starters [08:56] and f/ for FAQ's and k/ for kernel source [08:56] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [08:56] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [08:56] ok [08:56] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [08:57] if it's still a concern, you can trim some apps from ap (additional console-apps) and n (some networking / server stuff), but do both of those very carefully [08:59] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:59] straterra, the other day you asked what was wrong with NAT? read about SIP and H.323 [09:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-170-21.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:01] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:06] linkinpork (i=test@88.242.162.20) left irc: Connection timed out [09:08] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.112) joined ##slackware. [09:08] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:10] good $TIMEOFDAY [09:10] SaEeDIRHA: hint: do not remove e2fsprogs, even if you only use, say, xfs [09:10] i learned that the hard way... [09:11] thank you :-) [09:11] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] if i dont want to use X [09:11] SaEeDIRHA: Based on something I read, you might want to use a NON-journaling filesystem and set "noatime" in fstab (to make your SSD last longer) [09:11] i remember removing glibc on my first install, thinking "something related to printing? I don't need that" [09:12] what is the minimum usage i can reduce to ? [09:12] Aldaron: i did NOT use journal filesystem :D [09:12] i read that too ;) [09:12] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.249) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Someone mentioned xfs, but then I read the backlog and noticed you weren't going to use that :) [09:13] i belive there is a filesystem specifically for SSD in the kernel now [09:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] nvision (n=nvision@g229087074.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:13] oh, the above warning is my standard comment to anyone looking to trim down their system [09:13] Aldaron: noatime can break programs though [09:14] relatime ftw [09:14] the culprit is that e2fsprogs contains libblkid which mount is linked to.. [09:15] fred: tell me that you have that split out in a seperate package on slamd64 :P [09:15] what is the minimum storage space i need to install standard Slackware packages but not X [09:15] i want to keep it as small as possible [09:15] SaEeDIRHA: there are no "standard slackware packages" [09:15] fred: um, how? [09:15] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:15] "relatime" is a good option [09:16] macacity: i mean base packages with SSH,WWW,FTP,NFS,SAMBA ,MYSQL , servers [09:16] SaEeDIRHA: i dont know.. [09:17] SaEeDIRHA: but you dont intent to install mysql on an EeePC, do you? [09:17] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.230.199.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] no [09:17] yeah, if a program relied on file access times to do something. I thought that the time information would still be in cache though, even when not written to the disk - maybe I was wrong [09:17] I trim my install down, and it's about 2.1gb, fwiw [09:17] i want to make a server of my ASUS EEE to manage my external hard drives storage in my network [09:17] if you are carefull not to break anything, i would say you could get it under 1GB with KDE and XFCE [09:18] WAHT? [09:18] you gotta be kidding me? [09:18] nice one [09:18] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.25.114) joined ##slackware. [09:18] :D lol, at the moment i dont have any other choice , beleive me :D [09:19] well.. witout any x/ xap/ kde/ kdei/ you are going to save a lot of space [09:19] i would buy a proper server for this purpose , but at the moment i dont have any other choice and i really need file server in my network [09:19] and if you go over ap/ and dicth all the multimedia crap in there [09:19] Why not? I mean, an eee is probably fast enough by any server task you could think of (for a private network), and it'll save lots of power compared to bigger HW [09:20] well, i am using external hard drive with ASUS eee [09:20] USB? [09:20] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:20] ye [09:20] yes* [09:20] that costs CPU.. USB does not do DMA [09:21] Aldaron: yes , i believe so as well, [09:21] SaEeDIRHA: do you need windows compatiblity? [09:22] unfortunately yes :-( [09:22] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] i cannot use NFS can i ? [09:22] do i have to use SAMBA ? [09:22] how much do you want to bet that once you get samba running on that thing it dies? :P [09:22] i dont know if there are NFS clients for windows [09:22] but yes, NFS would be a *much* better alternative [09:23] why do u think it dies ? [09:23] SaEeDIRHA: I'm still using a 450 MHz K6-2 as a private-ish server, works very well. Well, I think it is a K6-2, I forget already ;) [09:23] it is as fast as FTP, but costs but a fifth of the CPU power under NFS favorable workloads [09:23] And 900 MHz for a LAMP + email box, a handful or two of users (maybe 300 for e-mail) [09:24] Aldaron: the killing factor here is pulling files off a USB device [09:24] well , my MYSQL and web server are on a different pc [09:24] Aldaron: it *really* sucks up a lot of CPU [09:24] macavity: NFS is allright UNLESS you care for access control. Then it's a pain in an environment with several different OSes [09:24] Aldaron: granted [09:24] i care for access control [09:25] lol [09:25] :D [09:25] good luck [09:25] macavity: what alternatives do you recommend ? [09:25] just make sure samba only allows CIFS and not SMB [09:25] macavity: a 1.6 GHz atom can do that well enough, I think. At least I was in no particular pain copying gigs of stuff to my eee :). But of course he might not have an 901 ;) [09:25] boerni (i=boerni@irc.misterjack.de) left ##slackware ("My Home is my Rechenzentrum"). [09:26] SaEeDIRHA: mv Windows /dev/null && wget proper-storage-solution [09:26] I think cifs is the way to go then [09:27] macavity: I think point was the storage will be slackware, but a windows box needs to use it? [09:27] Aldaron: copying is not the same as fileserving... [09:27] mine is asus eee 701 [09:27] macavity: true. But copying something from a USB stick to eee's own SSD shouldn't be slower than reading on USB and pushing to network [09:27] SaEeDIRHA: in that case you only have samba to rely on.. if you want to keep things sane [09:28] um.. Shouldn't ve faster either :) [09:28] Aldaron: do you know what a context switch is? [09:29] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:29] SaEeDIRHA: please come back and tell us what happens to the EeePC when two windows boxes are trying to copy from it at the same time [09:29] SaEeDIRHA: my guess is 7-10MB/s [09:30] U-Neeks (i=555@201-24-46-76.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:30] macavity: instructions? [09:30] ok [09:30] macavity: yes, what about it? [09:30] well it is not ganna cause me a physical damage ? [09:30] hey, 10 MB/s is plenty fast [09:31] i'll physically damage you in a minute [09:31] Aldaron: when you do storage-to-storage copy the buffers are much bigger, so you dont context switch so ofthen... how big is the buffer on a network socket again? :P [09:31] depends on if you want to edit videos on the network disk, though ;) [09:31] 12MB/s is max speed on a 100mbit network [09:31] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [09:31] 10MB/s is the effective rate, anything above that is burst [09:31] SaEeDIRHA: no no.. not at all [09:31] good then :-) [09:32] the only way to learn is to experiment :D [09:32] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] spook: my head is crapped out now.. i have a good portion of the build system done [09:32] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:32] but out of curiosity, how can you properly make a storage system for your network ? [09:33] macavity: cool, want me to test? [09:33] spook: it still cant do package creation and ofline debug info.. but it allows for multiple xorg stacks installed [09:33] macavity: probably true, that. I'd think that one process could send many network packages without needing to switch contexts on the way, but dunno really [09:33] i mean a massive storage like , websites with huge files [09:33] SaEeDIRHA: 10MB/s is enough to stream video [09:34] they use things like 10000BASE-FX, infiniband etc [09:34] macavity: that might help greatly with setting up multipointer X [09:34] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [09:34] uhm... 7-10MB devided between two clients sucks [09:34] SaEeDIRHA: the easiest way is to buy an external hard disk that plugs directly to ethernet ;). I've got a buffalo linkstation, works fine [09:34] so you stick more network cards in the machine [09:35] and honnestly, i think it is going to go down 1MB/s (at least) per client that accesses the machine at the same time [09:35] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [09:35] spook: its an EeePC.. how will he do that? [09:35] gigabit would be the way to go, i think [09:35] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) joined ##slackware. [09:35] SaEeDIRHA: What is your network like again? How many people using it at the same time? How many computers attached? [09:35] because eeepcs have gigabit ethernet? [09:36] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:36] mine is small private network, i just like to know [09:36] my bet still is that he wont see above 10MB/s even with a single client [09:36] maximum uses in my network are 10-15 [09:36] wow [09:36] users* [09:36] that is going to kill it if they pwn it at the same time [09:37] remember, the HD access has no DMA [09:37] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] For office-type network of under 40 people or so, I'd just have a computer with a large hard disk. Maybe two in raid [09:37] basically, You're doing it Wrong (tm) [09:37] only 2 of them can use the file server [09:37] others not alloweded [09:37] good [09:37] Depends on what they need to do though. If they need to do something vastly exceeding normal office traffic (like, warez), then that's different ;) [09:38] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Aldaron: say, mount their ~ via NFS? [09:38] SaEeDIRHA: How big files do you have in the file server, and how many of them per day do the users access? [09:39] macavity: um, no :) [09:39] isnt that normal? [09:39] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.249) left irc: ":wq" [09:39] or AD to pull the desktop [09:39] why not use sshfs? [09:39] well, the drives are FAT32 so files cannot be bigger than 4GB, and they have only read access to these files [09:39] nah.. macavity, not something I would've seen too often [09:40] when you take out windows of the equation, that is the most sane thing to do [09:40] i have one file-server in my network [09:40] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [09:40] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.236) left irc: Connection timed out [09:40] LDAP and NFS :P [09:40] SaEeDIRHA: you already have one? [09:40] well the problem is , all the users use windows, it is just me who use Linux [09:40] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-72-68-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [09:41] no, i mean i will have :D [09:41] ah :P [09:41] yeah i solved that by mapping their my documents to a samba share [09:41] sorry, English is not my first language :D [09:41] me neiter [09:41] *mine either [09:42] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.23) joined ##slackware. [09:42] wow, this looks like the first ever episode of just shoot me [09:42] :D [09:42] hi [09:42] 'lo [09:42] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left irc: "Leaving." [09:44] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [09:45] internewt (n=internew@hadzor.longbridgeops.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:45] macavity: hw are you ? [09:45] tired [09:45] hes only HardWare in the bedroom [09:45] ive been hacking shellscripts all night [09:45] macavity: ahh shell , good , did you eat it ? [09:46] >_< [09:46] :D [09:49] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) joined ##slackware. [09:52] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:00] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:02] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-72-68-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware. [10:03] Password: [10:04] hunter2 [10:04] spooksmom [10:05] jkwood: why did you type 9 asterisks? [10:05] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] spook: That's because that's my password. [10:06] It's just like you typing seven asterisks. [10:06] oh so if i type hunter2 you dont see anything? [10:06] :P [10:06] Exactly. I have no idea that you just typed hunter2 [10:06] my gf officially gave me permission to buy this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/af1b/ [10:07] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [10:07] by giving permission, i mean she wont bitch about how i spend my money, even if she did go to japan for a month on a holiday [10:07] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-3454867e60576120) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-f618a501a7da2fd6) joined ##slackware. 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[10:25] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:31] uva (i=bono@118-160-160-109.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Philadelphia (i=bono@118-160-160-109.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:42] OK.. opinon time.. you have a 1U web&ftp server for a crorporate site living in an enterprise data centre.. it has the capability for up to four HDDs, it's going to be running Slack 12.2 -- what RAID layout do you choose... the last time the decision was made my predecessor went with 3 disks in RAID1 + Hot Spare [10:42] not sure if i should stick with that layout or not [10:43] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [10:44] nvision (n=nvision@g229087074.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:46] that seems like a pretty sane layout to me [10:46] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [10:46] i have found that the easiest way to have someone try out linux is to hand them a laptop with slackware linux on it [10:46] hi [10:46] either they'll give up (which is a good sign you want to not have them as a friend lol) or they'll get curious and play with it [10:46] 4 drives, raid1 + hot spare? that math doesn't add up [10:47] 3 drives in raid1 that is [10:47] .. he said three disks. [10:47] so we assume one bay is empty.. [10:47] so windows is thinking about limiting it's users to 3 running apps at a time, unless they pay more ... could get crowded in here [10:47] hackedhead : and? it's not about the empty bay, it's about the 3 disks in raid1 [10:48] Soul_keeper, good [10:48] raid1 = mirror. you can't mirror uneven number of disks [10:48] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [10:48] anake 2 disk in RAID1 + 1 hot spare = 3 [10:48] Guys, I should know this, but I can't remember it for the life of me. [10:48] that's what i gathered anyway [10:48] What's the file that determines if root login is possible on a particular getty? [10:48] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:48] raid10 [10:48] hackedhead : '3 disks in raid1 + hot spare' = i read this as 4 disks [10:49] Alan_Hicks: hey =] [10:49] Alan_Hicks, something in /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d ? [10:49] ... right, but that amkes no sense, as you said [10:49] getty? [10:49] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.23) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:49] TwinReverb: That's only read after a login suceeds. [10:49] so i wnet for a version that _is_ possible. [10:49] that question is obviously over my head so i shouldn't've responded [10:50] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-2-54.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Hello room, I'm having trouble making a new user on my system. I tried 'net user ADD nick' but I get an error...am I doing it right? [10:51] adduser? [10:51] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:51] N1Ka: http://www.slackbook.org/ [10:51] Okay [10:52] need some help with kde4.2 on Slack 12.2. The videop playback is blank with desktop effects, but will work without desktop effects. [10:52] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:52] it does not matter wich video driver is use in the apps. Videooverlay sett to off in xorg.conf. Any ideas ? [10:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-170-21.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:53] Is the admin group 'administrator'? [10:53] N1Ka : no such thing [10:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Okay. [10:53] no that should be reserverd for root group [10:53] N1Ka: http://www.slackbook.org/ Read it, learn it, live it. [10:55] sorry got the issue running --> xshm video driver [10:55] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "laters" [10:55] Reading now. :) [10:56] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] nvision (n=nvision@g229087074.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:57] N1Ka: Good. That book is geared heavily towards people who are new not only to Slackware, but to Linux as well. It should help explain things, but you may need to browse through and read it a couple times. [10:57] hackedhead: yes.. one bay *currently* empty [10:57] Okay, thanks. [10:58] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i think i might put in a 2nd hot spare [10:59] Zordrak: so you're replacing/upgrading that system, si what you're saying? if you don't have a need for increased capacity from it, why change what works? [10:59] no reason to leave the bay empty [11:00] Zordrak: only $$ [11:00] its not much, granted. but if it's not needed, why waste? [11:00] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-201960.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hackedhead: the reason is because this is the only opportunity to make such a change between now and the sun burning out.. so im just sanity checking it [11:01] the cost is irrelevant i have identical spare HDDs lying around [11:01] well, the cost to run it too, but again, minimal. [11:01] but okay, fair enough [11:02] if it's going to be desired for very high reliability and uptime, another spare is not a bad idea [11:02] yeah.. i dont think the DC monitors per-box usage... we just get charged a flat rate for a 1U [11:02] hackedhead: agreed [11:03] esp for desktop-class SATA disks [11:03] yeah [11:03] Question. Why is it so bad to run an IRC as root? [11:04] N1Ka: fail [11:04] ...? [11:05] N1Ka: IRC is not entirely unhackable. [11:05] N1Ka: Security. root is god on a UNIX box, and using root to IRC exposes that user to any vulnerabilities in the IRC client. [11:06] So people hack through IRCs...? :( [11:06] N1Ka: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=irc+as+root [11:06] people can do naughty things to you (in theory) [11:06] N1Ka: Yes. [11:06] but this is because any program you run as a user runs with your permissions [11:06] so if you run xchat as root, and someone hacks it, they now have root's permissions [11:06] I see. [11:06] (this is a huge generalization and a huge simplification, i know, but i'm trying not to go on forever) [11:09] Akkersson (n=Akkersso@79.116.76.69) joined ##slackware. [11:11] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] Action: TwinReverb never realized that the learning curve for a windows newbie to go to slackware was so steep [11:12] more like a learning brick wall [11:12] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [11:12] It's steep, but once you crest that first hill everything else seems ridiculously easy. [11:13] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:14] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) joined ##slackware. [11:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:14] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:14] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [11:15] Alan_Hicks, so far he's liking it, he's not crying [11:15] i like this guy. he's our drummer. [11:15] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] hi there [11:15] hi here [11:16] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Question. So 'adduser machine$' does what exactly? [11:18] N1Ka: It would add the user "machine$". [11:18] What's with the '$' though? [11:18] Unless you're using samba to connect to Windows file shares, don't do that. [11:18] j0z (n=JESUS@201-89-79-210.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:18] That's the section I'm on in the book, Alan. [11:18] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] The suffix "$" indicates a machine name in Windows operating systems. This is onyl ever needed in Linux if you're using samba as a domain controller for Windows clients. [11:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Okay, thank you. [11:20] And I don't see anyplace in the book that says "adduser machine$". [11:20] It's implicated [11:20] No, it is there literally [11:20] # adduser machine$ [11:20] Really? Where? I should look at that for the revision. [11:20] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:20] 5.6.1 SMB/Samba/CIFS [11:21] Ah, I see it now. Thanks. [11:21] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:22] N1Ka: What exactly are you trying to do right now? [11:22] If you know what to add to /etc/samba.smb.conf, tie machine accounts will be added automatically when you join a Windows PC to your Samba domain using the Windows control panal. [11:22] What do I want to do with Slackware? [11:22] s/tie /the / [11:22] N1Ka: Only you can answer that question. :-) [11:23] I want to be a white-hat hacker. (Not crack or anything) And I really just want to learn as much as I can. [11:23] I'm only 15 and want to start my own business when I get older to help people with security flaws. [11:23] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [11:23] N1Ka: Ok, start slowly. Read the book through once and try to setup your Slackware box as a desktop first. That can be a challenge on its own. [11:24] My advice for that goal would be simply to try to learn as much as you can about as broad a subject base as you can. [11:24] h@ckz0rz! [11:24] Action: duryodhan is wondering if letmegooglethatforyou is better or justfuckinggoogleit.com is better [11:24] hi can anybody tell me how to mount a usb camera in 12.2 [11:24] But focus mostly on learning how things work and how to keep them working. [11:24] Okay. :) [11:24] the device shows up in dmesg but i can't remember what to do next [11:25] duryodhan: lmgtfy ftw [11:25] And learn to program. The more you do, the more will come to you. There's really no 'class' I know of that teaches you these things; you just have to learn by doing. [11:25] I am learning a bunch of languages right now. [11:25] In my opinion, you have definitely chosen the right Linux distribution to learn those things though. [11:26] fserve (i=1000@200.129.153.124) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Also, what did you mean by: "...set up your Slackware box as a desktop..."? [11:26] Alan_Hicks: real hackers write their own distro by making bits in the DVD via tweezers [11:26] tweezers? what a n00b [11:27] duryodhan: real hackers don't tell anyone how they do what they do. [11:27] Alan_Hicks: yeah .. I had to sneakily look up xkcd doing this [11:27] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] foldingstock: I forgot the original comic [11:28] duryodhan: -real- hackers let loose a butterfly at the brink of dawn, each flap of the butterfly's wing causes increasing winds as the fan out, resulting in a global climate shift [11:28] the hacker then uses the variance of the sun's light to flip either a binary 0 or 1 on his harddrive platter [11:28] randux: what desktop environment? And I seem to remember you are using slamd64 [11:28] duryodhan: as close as I can remember to the xkcd comic :P [11:29] hi alienBOB good to see you! [11:29] i'm using both slack 12.2 on i386 and slamd64 on 64 [11:29] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [11:29] Alan_Hicks: What did you mean by: "...set up your Slackware box as a desktop..."? [11:29] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [11:29] About to take the car home ;_0 [11:29] this qeustion is on my slack12.2 box [11:29] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-202925.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:29] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-130-106.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:29] foldingstock: heh [11:30] Randux with KDE and being member of plugdev group, mounting a camera should be automatic. [11:30] i don't use kde :) [11:30] N1Ka: I mean use it for everyday work. Setup X (read the chapter on that) and begin using it for all the things you would use Windows for. [11:30] Unless the camera does not register as USB storage [11:30] randux: terminal -> mount ? [11:30] I do, I don't duel boot. [11:30] it says smoething like new full speed usb device ohci_hcd and address 5 [11:30] how do I know what to mount? [11:30] But I can't choose between KDE or BlackBox... [11:31] randux: "fdisk -l" should show the camera's storage [11:31] N1Ka, yes you can [11:31] alienBOB: that's what I thought but no good [11:31] randux: What WM? [11:31] only my harddrive shows up [11:31] If not, it only talks PTP and then gphoto2 (commandline tool in Slackware 12.2) can be used to offload the pics [11:31] jkwood: fluxbox everywhere [11:31] Ah. [11:32] N1Ka: Just try them all. [11:32] can't we find the dev name some how alienBOB [11:32] and mount it from there? [11:32] Does not matter [11:32] i used to do this somehow, i wonder what i did.... [11:32] Run gphoto2 and see if that detects the cam [11:32] lemme see if i have it installed [11:32] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:33] i only have the gphoto-config and gphoto-port-config is that normal? [11:33] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:33] i meant gphoto2-splat [11:33] randux: if you run 12.2 full install you should have gphoto2 [11:33] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:34] And then you would run "gphoto2 --auto-detect" to make the program look for your camera [11:34] i neevr do full installs, i will go to packages.slackware.it and look for it [11:34] ok thanks brb [11:34] randux: that'll teach you! [11:34] lol alienBOB [11:34] no way i'm gonna change now [11:35] How do you edit the startx for XDM? 'startxdm'? Or another command? [11:35] I know how to edit it, just wondering which command to use. [11:35] N1Ka: Read the book. xwmconfig [11:36] alienBOB: it gives me a summary with nothing listed [11:36] Oh wait, I think I mis-read your question. [11:36] N1Ka: You mean XDM, the GUI login manager? [11:37] Yes. [11:37] Ah. Well, I'm actually not sure what configuration file if any there is for XDM, since I don't use those tools, but /etc/rc.d/rc.4 may be what you're looking for. [11:37] Okay, thanks. [11:38] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] N1Ka: if you go to runlevel 4 and gdm and kdm are not executable, it'll run xdm [11:38] N1Ka: Just try some things. Don't be afraid of breaking your box; it'll happen whether you're afraid or not, so might as well go all out and plan on re-installing a few times. [11:38] O.o [11:38] But if you're in runlevel 3 and you just run xdm as root, that might start it up. I've never tried that, but it makes sense that it would work. [11:38] kalasmannen (n=kalasman@h-7-189.A146.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:39] why can't i just mount it as a normal usb device? i did that on slack11 [11:39] Nice advice Alan, and thanks bee. :) [11:39] Does xdm have a way to shut down the machine? I didn't think it did, which is why I stayed away from it. But I suppose I could always switch to a VC and 3finger it. [11:42] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:45] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] jnz_ (n=Francesc@host112-79-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Hi, when i run wicd-client i see that i'm missing gtk module. i've installed wicd-client from slackware12.2 cdrom [11:48] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-201960.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [11:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.18) left irc: [11:49] Alan, read my PM? :) [11:49] jnz_: do a full install ? [11:50] thrice`: what do you mean? [11:50] fserve (i=1000@200.129.153.124) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] jnz look in slackware/packages and find gtk [11:50] jnz_: did you do a full install of slackware ? [11:50] pygtk* [11:51] i've installed pygtk [11:51] from cdrom [11:51] but the problem remain [11:51] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) joined ##slackware. [11:51] i've also reinstalled dbus and python2.5 [11:51] you didn't install pygtk's deps [11:52] are you on slackware 12.2 ? [11:52] fserve (i=1000@200.129.153.124) joined ##slackware. [11:52] yes [11:52] did you do a full install ?\ [11:52] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-2-54.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] yes [11:52] but i've recompiled python with stackless support [11:52] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left ##slackware ("slackware rules!"). [11:52] and now wicd doesn't work [11:52] :| [11:53] That could do it. [11:55] Recompile pygtk [11:55] Akkersson (n=Akkersso@79.116.76.69) left irc: "Leaving" [11:55] and possibly pygobject [11:56] N1Ka (n=nick@adsl-99-172-2-54.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Yay, no more root IRC. :) [11:56] thrice`: yeah [11:58] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:58] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:59] hm - wtf?! [12:00] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] Alan. [12:02] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) joined ##slackware. [12:02] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [12:02] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Connection timed out [12:04] jnz_ (n=Francesc@host112-79-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [12:08] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9278D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] How come I get errors in like...everything I try to issue the 'make' command on?? [12:11] Barley any programs seem to work. T_T [12:11] Barely* [12:11] *headdesk* [12:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:11] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [12:12] which error ? [12:12] or are we supposed to guess [12:12] make: *** [carbonite.o] Error 1 [12:12] go to rafb.net/paste and pastebin the entire thing [12:13] http://rafb.net/p/1YwVB343.html [12:15] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:15] fade-in (n=fadein@c-98-202-182-230.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. 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[12:49] Akuma (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-581659c8c49da2d6) joined ##slackware. [12:52] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] N1Ka: like, uh you should probably try to find a script to build a package for the program that you, like, want. if i were you, like, thank god i'm not, i would google "slackbuilds" and, like, "alienbob repository" [12:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:54] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [12:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-f618a501a7da2fd6) left irc: [12:56] lowkyalur (n=low@icm11-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:57] macavity: XShm did the trick for you? [12:59] Action: antler wonders whether FriedBob and alienBob are related. [13:00] They are, in fact. [13:00] It's a very distant relation that goes back to ancient Greece. [13:00] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [13:02] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-156-115-235.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Dadsy` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] Nick change: renew_02 -> renew_01 [13:04] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Nick change: P4C0 -> dios [13:05] Nick change: dios -> Dios [13:05] Dios (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [13:06] eviljames: what exactly is related to ancient greece? [13:07] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [13:08] aperturefever: Some nonsense I was spewing earlier about how FriedBob and alienBob are related, but only if you trace their geneologies back to ancient greece. [13:08] aperturefever: 'twas a horrid joke, and gets worse as I awaken my mind with increased caffeination. [13:08] lol [13:08] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Dadsy` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] sure right it's a "horrid joke" I *really* don't want to think of alienBOB is one of them white man gowns :) [13:09] imagine alienBOB in a toga party [13:09] ;D [13:09] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.177.127) joined ##slackware. [13:09] hhaahah, man he's gonna ban us all, quit while we're ahead rofl. [13:10] hahahaha [13:10] fabricio` (n=fabricio@mailhost.techmaster.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:10] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left ##slackware. [13:10] Action: Old_Fogie is now known as Toga_Fogie [13:10] hee hee, that's creepy too [13:10] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:11] toga party!!! [13:11] Toga_Fogie .. lol reminds me of beer olympics [13:11] :D [13:12] i'll put on my beer goggles [13:12] haha [13:12] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] Action: Old_Fogie puts on his spandex and readies himself for the Beer Olympics [13:13] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [13:14] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.25.114) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:14] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:14] my fantasy is running wild now.. (me wonders how it would be a beer drinking challenge using wonder bras) [13:15] eeh have to get some sleep [13:15] tntslack (n=will@adsl69-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) left irc: "leaving" [13:16] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [13:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: "bee bop shum" [13:19] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-246-136.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] agentc0reWORK (n=chatzill@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@68.149.60.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:27] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) left irc: "leaving" [13:28] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:28] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-246-136.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:29] wow. can't get over how inexpensive laser printers are these days. they used to cost an arm and a leg. [13:32] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [13:33] antler: It's wonderful for us home users :D. You still have to be careful though. I still think it's best to spend at least $100-$150 on a printer at least. I bought a 2170w brother, and am not too happy with my purchase. [13:34] agentc0reWORK: hahaha coincidence? i was considering this one: http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/brother-hl-2170w/4505-3181_7-32892733.html [13:34] depending on what you need from a laser printer you might want to just look into used office units. the 2200's and the 2600 series are solid units form HP [13:34] from* [13:35] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.143.244) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:35] yeah, hp apparently works well in linux as well [13:36] Yeah I'm happy with my HP's here too. [13:36] agentc0reWORK: so i probably won't get the 2170w then. heh [13:39] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:39] and both 2200 and 2600 units can be duplexed and networked if you get the modules [13:39] The only thing I've noticed, and this could be a cups setting I've yet to find is, in Windows right, there is an option to "spool entire print job before printing" (or named something like that). So when you print, the pc takes more time to do it's underlying work of the print job, and then sends the whole print job to the printer. In linux tho, it seems one page prints, laser turns off, rolers stop, then they start u [13:39] p and page 2 comes out, etc. [13:40] Well I would have gotten an HP actually. I use them at work and highly trust them. It's just that a decent one would have cost me a little over $150. I got my brother for $90. At the time i thought, oh this will just save me some money, the printer has good reviews, it works well in any platform. However my problem was that i got it and it just died after a few months of use. And i... [13:40] ...constantly have toner issues with it. I probably just have a bad toner cartridge. [13:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: My HP LJ1100A does that too [13:40] with cups [13:40] For a one or two page doc, this may not sound like a big deal, but if you print out 90 page jobs alot like I do, it's odd to here the rollers on/off/on/off/on/off. [13:40] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: You could try a generic pcl 5(5e) print driver. [13:41] If you haven't already. [13:41] AbortRet1yFail, yes I think it's a linux setting either hidden,broken, or not implemented yet, as the same printer on the same pc and the same document but in Windows will print out continuously (no roller/laser stop) [13:41] agentc0reWORK, ok I'll give that a shot. [13:41] josemanuel (n=josemanu@142.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:41] yeah it's some cups setting. I never bothered to fix it. [13:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [13:42] I just assumed the parallel port was slow. [13:42] :) [13:42] AbortRet1yFail, ah my laser is a 1200 (so you and I have Sister's then with same 'sin' :) [13:42] AbortRet1yFail, I have mine with USB 2 wire, and it does it as well. [13:43] LJ1200's have the stupidest IO port location... [13:44] yeah they're deep inside, hard to get too [13:44] thats what she said. [13:44] .. [13:45] fserve (i=1000@200.129.153.124) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] agentc0reWORK, :) [13:45] agentc0reWORK, well for some maybe ... but far be it for me to brag and all :) [13:47] lowkyalur (n=low@icm11-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:55] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-581659c8c49da2d6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [13:57] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.177.127) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[14:09] limpio, kuser [14:09] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:09] use the kuse [14:10] I no speak english very well, ok [14:10] what i want is to add my username to the wheel group [14:10] abendrot_ (n=shevek@athedsl-195650.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:10] but use the kuse tool [14:10] limpio, edit the file /etc/group [14:10] xaviertoor, i'm using icewm :) [14:11] ok, i'll check /etc/group thx [14:11] limpio, ok [14:12] vipw(8) [14:12] limpio, wheel:x:10:root,limpio [14:13] xaviertoor, ok, i'll try that [14:14] or usermod(8) [14:14] BP{k}, :) [14:14] xaviertoor, ok this is what i show right now: wheel::10:root [14:15] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:15] ok [14:15] wheel::10:root [14:15] put your user in font of the root [14:15] wheel::10:root,limpio [14:16] ok [14:16] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:16] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-202925.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:16] vigr(8) :) [14:16] now save/exit/reboot? [14:16] logout and back in [14:16] ok [14:16] thx [14:17] brb [14:17] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:17] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [14:17] slackbook(8) !! ;) [14:17] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [14:17] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] or should that be (7).. [14:18] ok [14:18] macondo_ (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] hmm, # whereis nanogr -> returns "nanogr:" ; darn all the vi guys get the cool stuff :) [14:20] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [14:20] thx guys, everything ok [14:20] Oldway_Ogiefay: the difference betwen kids and grownups ;) [14:20] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] BP{k}, :) [14:20] Oldway_Ogiefay: quick pm? [14:21] sure [14:21] limpio_ (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] macondo_ (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] limpio_ (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-196398.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] xaviertoor, gracias brother [14:23] limpio, no problem [14:23] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) joined ##slackware. [14:24] limpio, speak spanish? [14:24] si [14:25] ok [14:25] what is 'xavier'? gallego? [14:25] no [14:26] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-195491.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] X-man [14:26] Xavier + root ao contrario [14:26] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [14:27] vc é brasileiro ou portugues, entao [14:28] limpio, brasileiro [14:28] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] a minha mae é de Porto Alegre - gaúcha [14:29] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-197055.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:30] we better start espiking english before they kick us out, bro :) [14:30] ok [14:30] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] limpio, Iam from Minas Gerais, João Pinheiro [14:31] that's your name? [14:31] joao? [14:32] luis [14:32] The name of my city [14:32] that's a city from minas gerais... [14:32] limpio, my name is Jerson Luiz [14:32] ahh, didn't know that :))) [14:33] j0z (n=JESUS@201-89-79-210.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:33] mineiro [14:33] yeap [14:33] come quieto [14:33] i'm from panama [14:33] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-255.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] is ssh set up for strict checking as default, does anyone know? [14:35] xaviertoor, i hear slack is big in brasil... [14:35] Yeap [14:35] hi guys, i'm having trouble setting british keyboard in slack 12.1, any ideas? [14:35] my new test server seems to have changed it's RSA host key ... but I'm not sure if this is to be expected? (I installed the box last night, ssh'd in and did some handywork and switched it back on this eve) [14:35] But more people using others distros [14:35] limpio, #slackware-br [14:36] phrag, did you try #xorgconfig? [14:36] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] that will work for console ? [14:36] abendrot_ (n=shevek@athedsl-195650.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-231.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] xaviertoor, it kicked me out [14:37] hey phrag, how's things? you still up north? [14:37] limpio, why? [14:38] xaviertoor, something about bandits and kiddie something [14:38] kkk [14:38] Use bitchX or xchat [14:38] and try again [14:38] using xchat [14:39] polyeides (n=proteus@chello089075034039.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:39] limpio, you registered your nick? [14:39] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] xaviertoor, Cannot join #slackware-br (You are banned). [14:39] theblackbox, nope [14:40] might be worth a shot? [14:40] lemme try that [14:40] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:40] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.150.76) joined ##slackware. [14:41] hi [14:41] rworkman: are you there? [14:41] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: "Leaving" [14:41] theblackbox: hey, yeah i am, working hard =P [14:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:42] so anyone know how to set british keyboard system wide? i can't even find the keymap [14:42] good to hear man, not seen you about for time - don't work too hard now! ;) [14:42] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:42] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:43] http://www.google.com/search?q=change+keyboard+layout+console&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [14:43] limpio, limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) has left #slackware-br (requested by fallen: "10/12/2007: Hosts internacionais banidos dado o numero de kiddies.") [14:43] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:43] xaviertoor, exactly that's the message i get [14:44] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-196398.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [14:44] gui_ap_ (n=gui_ap@189.111.32.24) joined ##slackware. [14:44] xaviertoor, so, if you aren't in brasil, you are banned? [14:45] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:45] thrice`: that does not help [14:45] Greetings programs! [14:45] xaviertoor, #slackware-es [14:46] Action: NyteOwl would like to solicit recommendations for a new cell phone, especially from other Canucks [14:46] That appears to be what's going on. [14:47] Action: NyteOwl has been searching for Linux software for a GRE scanner without success so if anyone knows of any for a PSR-500 that would be appreciated [14:47] phrag: did you do: # xorgconfig? [14:47] phrag: the first hit that says to use loadkeys ? [14:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] thrice`: i am aware, i'm trying to find the keymap file for en_GB [14:48] not think i've been googling for the past 20 minutes before i asked? [14:49] want my honest opinion? :) [14:49] not much changed round here then [14:50] lol [14:52] O.o [14:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:52] Action: theblackbox is trying to connect to a remote box using his local boxes ip address..... [14:52] phrag: not usre but maybe /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/ [14:52] o.0 [14:53] s/usre/sure/ [14:53] :) [14:53] but I haven't played with them under xorg so the location may be different [14:54] think i may have it now but need to relog to test which i can't do now, but thanks NyteOwl =) [14:54] so hows ##slackware ? i've been gone ages! [14:54] np [14:54] any mental stuff happened? or mildy amusing? [14:55] same ol same ol with momentary bursts of excitement [14:55] I was wondering what had happened to Dominion - been using his mailserver howto a good bit recently [14:55] anyone know? [14:55] He wqas here the other evening using a different nick [14:55] i hear from him from time to time, usually with server updates =P [14:55] I forget what just now [14:56] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-130-106.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:56] he may have been getting grief with that old nick, so changed, i don't know though [14:56] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:56] ahh, good - thought he'd become a monk or somethin! [14:56] phrag: I'm curently cell phone shopping since Bell Canada was so nice as to discontinue analog service :/ [14:56] rofl, at a glance i thought that said cell phone snooping [14:57] lol [14:57] theblackbox: He's mbhayes. [14:57] BOFH (n=berserk@host182-85-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:57] that's it [14:58] interesting, nicks migrating to "real" type names ;) [14:58] jkwood, ahh cheers, will make useless mental note of it and forget it by the time I finish this sentance ;) [15:00] lol, http://www.bofh.ca [15:02] plipp (n=cam@78.82.68.163) joined ##slackware. [15:02] tried building an older kernel for Slackware 12.2 (2.6.14, and 2.6.15), but when booting, it gets stuck at "kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds" [15:03] Prior to that, "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [15:03] VFS: Mounted root (Ext3 filesystem) readonly. [15:03] Freeing unused kernel moemory: 160k freed [15:04] why are you using an older kernel? [15:05] tank-man: RTAI [15:06] Read The Artificial Intelligence? [15:06] above my head [15:06] jkwood: hehe. Real-Time Application Interface. [15:07] gui_ap (n=gui_ap@201-95-13-39.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] hmm wasn't there something about older kernels no longer supported with slackware 12.2 (ie needing a 2.6.18 at least or so) [15:07] That would make sense. [15:07] plipp: slackware 12.2 glibc is built to support only kernel 2.6.18 and up [15:08] That would indeed make some sense [15:08] zee oracle has spoken! :) (j/k, thanks alienBOB :) ) [15:09] Last time I installed Slackware, 2.4 was default, and that wasn't too long ago :P [15:09] Three releases. [15:09] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] And now older 2.6 nibblywibblies aren't supported. sigh. :) [15:10] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-253.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] plipp: wtf? [15:10] 20:09:11 < plipp> Last time I installed Slackware, 2.4 was default, and that wasn't too long ago :P [15:10] Are you Vulcan? [15:11] Zordrak: Nevermind me [15:11] I consider it quite a while ago(!) [15:12] maybe you've been more bored than me the past x years :) [15:12] (please solve x, for me) [15:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:12] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:12] starfruit (n=starfrui@cpe-98-155-141-157.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] is 2.5" sata connector the same as the 5 inch? desktop/laptop [15:12] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] gbowden (n=gbowden@114.Red-83-38-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left ##slackware. 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[15:37] hi all, how do i eliminat the LILO boot menu, the red dialog box at the beginning of the boot process? i've been looking in /etc/lilo.conf but don't see anything. [15:37] in slack 12.2 the default is a graphical menu [15:42] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@98.118.67.160) got netsplit. [15:42] erisco (n=kambee@68.9.162.53) got netsplit. [15:42] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) got netsplit. [15:42] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) got netsplit. [15:42] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) got netsplit. [15:42] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) got netsplit. [15:42] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. [15:42] josemanuel (n=josemanu@142.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) got netsplit. [15:42] tntslack (n=will@adsl69-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) got netsplit. [15:42] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-156-115-235.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) got netsplit. 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[15:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] oh, I see - he wants the bare prompt - I think just commenting out both gets that, but it's been awhile [15:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] oh, well then just remove the timeout/promp stuff [15:46] timeout = 1 [15:47] ok, i had put =0 [15:47] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h199-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:47] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [15:48] cruliedin (n=rld@67.159.33.195) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] bennymac1 (n=benb@24.75.15.14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:48] bennymac1 (n=benb@24.75.15.14) joined ##slackware. [15:48] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] slakmagik, thx [15:49] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] bodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [15:53] I'm [15:53] npad (n=nick@69.17.57.162) joined ##slackware. [15:54] alienBOB: would you volunteer to test a tool i want to get included in slackware? (it's about HAL) [15:54] ugh, [15:54] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] problem [15:54] alienBOB or someone who has used his mini-ISO: Can I just point a NFS-directory which has the contents of a DVD-iso for a full install? [15:54] bodgins: Less enter key. [15:55] plipp: Absolutely. [15:55] plipp: yes [15:55] rg3: does it involve automounting in fluxbox? [15:55] how about an ISO itself? :) [15:55] plipp: nope... only extracted content [15:56] alienBOB: Check. And thanks! [15:56] alienBOB: not automounting as in "plug it in and it's mounted", but as in "a command line manager for removable volumes using hal", so yes it could be tailored to fluxbox users, among others [15:56] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [15:56] if you're already typing a command, why not use "mount?" :) [15:57] rg3: how is it different from "mount /media/disk /mnt/hd" ? [15:57] I am about to reinstall request tracker and thought I'd make a slackbuild for it. Is it appropriate to have a slackbuild install perl modules or would it be better to check for them and make the user do that themselfs? [15:57] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] The SlackBuild should not install additional perl modules - rather, you write the SlackBuilds for these modules as well agentc0re [15:57] alienBOB: just like the hal GUIs are different to mount: no need for an entry in fstab, no need to be root... [15:58] I've used RT a lot. Would be a very good addition to SlackBuilds.org [15:58] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:58] alienBOB: think of it like the command line equivalent of kde's media:/, basically [15:58] rg3: I am afraid I would be a bad test subject; no time to do testing other than the stuff I need to do for Slackware and my own SlackBuilds ... [15:59] But I would be interested to see what you created [15:59] i'll just dcc the file, i suppose [15:59] i'd need to create a project in sourceforge, but it's 10pm here and i must go to sleep, so i'll do that tomorrow [15:59] I'm behind a firewall, dcc will not work [15:59] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [16:00] ok, i'll upload it somewhere... [16:00] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [16:00] rg3: Are you using version control? [16:00] alienBOB: Well there is a huge list. And perl modules are very simple to install (usually just a one liner). I think it might just be better off to have the build script maybe check for them and have the user install them versus a slackbuild script for each and every perl module. [16:00] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] jkwood: not for now, it's only ~150 lines [16:01] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Well, if you were using git, you could get a github account. It's much nicer than sourceforge. [16:02] alienBOB and whoever could be interested: http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/halrv [16:02] jkwood: sure, i'll think about it [16:03] =) [16:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-166.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-163.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] hmm, [16:04] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:04] ping [16:04] Anyone using a Blackberry Pearl 8130? [16:05] maybe i should send it to rworkman; i think he's into hal stuff [16:05] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] bodgins: just ask your question, rather than typing single words here and there [16:06] please do not use the "Enter" key as puncuation.. 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[16:12] (basically) [16:12] plipp (n=cam@78.82.68.163) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] ic [16:13] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@98.118.67.160) left irc: Connection timed out [16:13] did anyone see my question? its like a mile up the list now with all the netsplits [16:13] not I [16:13] It folded in for me. [16:13] And yes, you should be able to if your video driver/card supports it. [16:14] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:14] jkwood: Im able to run 32 bit mode in windows, but for some reason when I change that line i mentioned, I get errors and x doesnt start and goes back to shell [16:15] What card/driver? [16:15] nvidia onboard graphics, and.... let me check [16:15] Hmm... I use 24. [16:15] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.229) joined ##slackware. [16:16] I believe that, functionally speaking, 24 and 32 are the same in this case. [16:16] I could very well be wrong on that, though. [16:16] nvidia 177.82 driver [16:16] plipp (n=cam@78.82.68.163) joined ##slackware. [16:17] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [16:18] jkwood: there is a subsection with 32 for a mode... why would that be? http://pastebin.com/m11906ff0 [16:18] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271008 [16:18] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Connection timed out [16:19] I knew I'd read something about that. [16:20] Yeah, I don't know why there's a 32-bit option. [16:20] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:20] hmm... ok [16:21] rg3: still around? [16:21] foureyes779 (n=tuxdistr@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:24] plipp (n=cam@78.82.68.163) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:25] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] sorry rob, i just murdered him, he was annoying [16:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] Oh well. [16:33] rworkman: now yes [16:34] rg3: looks interesting... a couple of thoughts... [16:34] 1) you might want to add support for the Device.Storage interface so that you can mount fixed drives as well [16:35] 2) see http://slackware.com/~rworkman/hal.conf.txt for what I *think* will be the hal.conf in our future hal packages; you might get some hints from it [16:35] 3) if you're feeling inclined to do something with pygtk maybe, a hal-device-manager would be interesting to see. [16:36] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] rworkman: i'll look into the first two, the third point is not interesting for me [16:37] Fair enough :) [16:38] rworkman: i'm not much into hal, so you'll have to give me more hints for the first two =) [16:38] see? that's how i "look into" stuff [16:39] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) joined ##slackware. [16:39] rg3: put the hal.conf into place, and then use exo-mount or some such to mount a fixed drive; then duplicate the method calls with your app :) [16:40] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [16:40] rworkman: er, i'm currently redirecting stderr to a log file due to the many stderr introspection errors i'm getting; does the line " [16:40] supposed to fix that? [16:40] yes [16:41] fine, I could get rid of the log file [16:41] That Introspectable bus is how an app/user finds out what methods are supported - it's purely a "query" interface [16:42] Also, you'll find that dbus-1.2.10+ is much better with respect to telling you when something is going wrong -- it logs rejected messages to /var/log/messages [16:42] If you want to build it (it should be a dropin replacement on 12.2), see http://slackware.com/~rworkman/dbus/ [16:42] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.114) joined ##slackware. [16:42] i'll wait until it's in -current [16:43] Okay :) It's just that developing what you're developing would be made a bit easier with that dbus version [16:44] i'll look into it (for real); so do you think such a tool could be included in slackware? [16:44] honestly, i only wrote it because pmount doesn't seem to work here :| [16:46] rworkman: and point (1) is about cd/dvd drives, basically? [16:46] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:47] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:49] rg3: re including in Slackware, I don't know. It's too early to say one way or the other. However, getting it out on SF or elsewhere and acquiring a following of flux/black/open/*box users wouldn't hurt. [16:49] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] rg3: re point (1) - no, cd/dvd drives are not fixed drives. I'm talking about an internal drive that stays in the system [16:49] rworkman: Don't be racist. [16:50] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [16:50] clear [16:50] Action: BP{k} zaps The-Croupier [16:50] Action: jkwood uses the paddles on... BP{k} [16:50] rworkman: but shouldn't those be in /etc/fstab? [16:50] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel [16:51] bodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] rg3: not necessarily, but IMHO yes. [16:52] node357 (n=seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] jkwood: I'm not racist. I hate everyone. [16:52] node357 (n=seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:52] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] node357 (n=seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] hey guys, i have a nice pci ethernet card admtek dec-tulip, but i dont know what driver should be loaded for that card? how can one find out? lspci gave me the type [16:53] jzhou (n=jzhou@pcp061556pcs.unl.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.92) joined ##slackware. [16:54] rworkman: I'll try to see what happens when I try, as a user, to mount a hard drive partition that is not in /etc/fstab [16:54] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [16:55] rworkman: then i'll release the program somewhere, probably in slackware package format, and i'll write you about the project location [16:55] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:55] rg3: Cool. I'll see if I can find time to do a proper integration with python's setuptools then. [16:56] Does anyone know if its possible yet to perform entire disk encryption without wiping the drive?? [16:56] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-213-17.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] jzhou (n=jzhou@pcp061556pcs.unl.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:59] SM177Y: TrueCrypt will encrypt in place iirc [17:00] not sure if you can do that with LUKS [17:01] rworkman: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied <-- fixed drives don't belong to the plugdev group, so the user would need to be part of the disk group, essentially having root power... [17:02] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:02] uva (i=bono@118-160-160-109.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [17:03] i mean true drive encryption, not just having containers. [17:03] rg3: okay, good. That means all is working as expected :) [17:03] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-69-245-162-6.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] rg3: IOW, if a user *wanted* to have that ability, HAL won't resist now. :) [17:04] rworkman: hehe, so i don't see a need to handle those devices and i'm leaving the program as it is, but i'll be able to remove the log file as soon as the new config is in place [17:05] Fair enough. [17:05] if it worked normally, but the user needs to be part of the disk group... [17:06] no way that would be sane, so hal shouldn't be used [17:07] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-166.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2bd6e6b56520a1c) joined ##slackware. [17:09] bono (i=bono@118-168-233-236.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] /win 4 [17:10] pah! [17:10] SpacePlod: alt-4 does the same :) [17:10] SpacePlod: (assuming of course that is irssi) [17:11] yeah, I know...I'm just used to /win commands now...and yes it's bleedin' irssi [17:11] irssi > mibbit [17:11] dang invisible spaces. [17:11] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:41] bye [17:41] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.150.76) left irc: "Quit" [17:41] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-200.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] dopiwan, ?? [17:45] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [17:45] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@205.211.54.10) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [17:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:48] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:48] dopiwan: Are you thinking of something like Asterisk? [17:49] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. 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[18:01] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] TTF fonts look really blurry in urxvt, is that just a problem with TTF? [18:02] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-204397.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] plipp (n=cam@78.82.68.163) joined ##slackware. [18:03] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] does the mini-iso (10.0) have network modules et al. ? Don't seem to have a network [18:04] 10.0? [18:04] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] yes [18:05] mini-iso? [18:06] yes, alienBOBs mini-iso. Hard to nfs-install when I can't get a network connection :S [18:06] There is no mini-iso for Slackware 10.0 [18:06] oh crap, 11 I mean [18:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:08] 11.0? I am not sure about what I put into that [18:08] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Yes there is a network.dsk and a network26.dsk in there. After booting and before running "setup", run the command "network" and follow directions [18:09] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] it claims it cannot find it. [18:10] except now, after a restart :S [18:10] cdrom must've gotten unmounted *scratches head* [18:12] dopiwan (n=soulrebe@pool-96-237-112-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:12] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.182.6) joined ##slackware. [18:12] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] alienBOB: The hd mp4 trick that you describe in your blog is very nice. thanks for sharing [18:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) left irc: [18:13] i didnt even know alienBOB had a blog :P [18:14] ah finally seems to be installing.. It's way past my bedtime! Thanks again AlienBOB and good night :) [18:14] Yes, I have a blog, don't write there every day though [18:14] where? [18:14] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] Oh, an alienBlog, eh? [18:14] Action: eviljames hangs his head in shame. [18:14] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [18:15] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Action: jkwood submits 30 comments on how alienBOB should blog more often [18:15] Hahaha [18:15] The 64 bits question had the most comments so far [18:15] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Like, 4 [18:16] ;-) [18:16] josemanuel (n=josemanu@142.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:16] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] erisco (n=kambee@68.9.162.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:19] alienBOB, pat needs to make a 64bit slackware release to use your packages ;) [18:19] Wait, I remember that question! I guess I have been to your blog. [18:19] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [18:19] nachox: hm :-) [18:19] jkwood: yes you left a comment there [18:21] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-197055.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [18:22] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h62n7c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [18:22] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2bd6e6b56520a1c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:23] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-45e8893b593be0c5) joined ##slackware. [18:23] alienBOB, we need a planet.slackware.com for those blogs [18:24] we have to show those debian users we're a much cooler planet than they are [18:26] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] haha. [18:30] :P [18:30] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] must...sleep.. must grab pillow.. must...ZzZzzZzz [18:32] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-204397.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [18:32] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] nachox: i like the first post on debians planet feed [18:34] Akuma (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Akuma0n4 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Akuma (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:39] acidchild, there is always something wrong :P [18:39] i know [18:39] its so amusing :P [18:41] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:41] /quit [18:41] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) left irc: "leaving" [18:42] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] nachox: http://atdhe.net/watchtv.php?b=2 [18:46] b=1 or b=2 [18:47] acidchild, cool [18:47] :D [18:48] i want to e-mail them a hug [18:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Akuma0n3 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] nachox: apawling show on atm [18:50] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h62n7c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:52] acidchild: hi there! [18:52] a show on atm? that could...get messy. lol [18:52] you know, sometimes in the heat of the moment... [18:53] haha nar i'm watching the BBC [18:53] and there is some travel writer show based on religion [18:53] called faith something [18:54] unless a travel show is doing castles, beer, or beaches, i dont care. lol [18:54] haha, i'm open to input closed for processing =] [18:54] train ride through italy, ya nice...but id rather see some girls on a french beach [18:55] Action: macavity is back from the dead [18:56] acidkill: yeah yummy [18:56] =] [18:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] Nick change: nachox -> basicnachox [18:58] martian67 (i=user6962@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] now we have 2 acids and a base, but i'm much cooler so i can deal with it [18:59] hashed_ (n=irchon@24.248.222.212) joined ##slackware. [18:59] martian67 (i=user6962@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [18:59] /MSG nickserv help [19:00] .. [19:00] hashed_ (n=irchon@24.248.222.212) left irc: Client Quit [19:01] i hate that term 'base' [19:01] the base is the bottom of something [19:01] the opisite of a acid is a alkaline [19:02] Nick change: basicnachox -> nachox [19:02] heh [19:02] seems 'bases' are elements/compounds with a alkaline PH [19:02] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] in turn Alkali is also correct [19:03] Alkalai is...erm...an adjective, like Acidic, isnt it? [19:03] not a noun [19:04] alkalinity [19:04] acidity [19:04] i dunno, Englished fucked me in school :-( [19:04] alkaloid [19:04] i had hooked on phonics, dunno if that helps much but?im not a horrible speller [19:05] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:05] seems sensible to teach a kid to map phoenetics with possible spellings and then work on whole word spelling... [19:05] yeah it interests me, i did alot of dyslexia training, blends and phonics [19:07] I don't know if that works. [19:07] Phonetic spelling methods leads to things like the horribly incorrect Websters dictionary. [19:07] haha. [19:07] Where things like colour and favour are distorted in favour of "easier" ways. It doesn't do anyone any justice to make learning easier, our minds thrive on challenge. [19:08] might as well make the revolution cultural [19:08] heh [19:08] Toe by Toe: Highly Structured Multi-Sensory Reading Manual for Teachers and Parents (Paperback) [19:08] ^^ i hate that book [19:08] home work was 32 pages of that crap [19:08] i used to hate the MLS style handbook for citations [19:08] such a pain inthe ass [19:08] i feel your pain :-( [19:09] its not like a referance manual ether [19:09] its a page by page of the same crap [19:09] Seriously, it worries me to hear slackers talking that way. [19:09] Maybe it is because I place a certain expectation on a Slackware user, to be above the norm in terms of analytical skill and intelligence. [19:09] acidkill: you have the horrid flipcards? [19:10] I have rarely been disappointed in that expectation. [19:10] eviljames: smarter than your average bear --yogi bear ;) [19:10] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] eviljames: fail at some, exceed in others. [19:11] I'm sure I've seen both of you acid folks say smart things in here. I wonder why you would be against MLS style, and in favour of phonetic spelling? [19:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:12] because my brain works better that way. [19:12] Your brain is programmable. [19:12] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:12] yep [19:12] Phonetic spelling can be a useful tool, when used in the correct context. [19:12] eviljames: phonetic spelling really seems like The Right Thing (tm) doesn't it? [19:13] hackedhead: I'm advocating *precisely* the opposite. [19:13] eviljames: your brain works diffrently to mine. [19:13] thats what makes people cool [19:13] haha [19:13] eviljames: why? because memorizing lots of expections to simple rules is a measure of intellignece? [19:13] eviljames: can you draw? [19:13] exceptions* [19:13] eviljames: whats your 'thing' ? [19:14] 'thing'? Why would I have a single 'thing' ? [19:14] Specialization is for insects :P [19:14] i'm not bad at spelling, but i _wish_ there were less random-crap exceptions in langauges, they are a pain [19:14] intelligence is nothing unless its processed in to a product [19:14] eviljames: ooh! check my baby http://7a69.co.uk/~ash/crawling.jpg [19:15] eviljames: wanting to work with insects, or just keep it fun? [19:15] acidchild: Spider or taran? [19:15] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:15] !insect [19:15] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:15] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [19:15] jkwood ++, =P [19:15] acidchild, you've just granted me a night full of sweet dreams [19:16] eviljames: taranchula [19:16] :D [19:16] from chilli [19:16] acidchild: As far as a 'thing' goes, I would be disheartened if I had just one, truly. I can fix my car slightly worse than play my guitar, which I do somewhat better than programming. [19:17] I *know* you spelled Chile as such on grounds that you saw it would be fingernails on a chalkboard to me. [19:17] aah haha. [19:17] Action: hackedhead will now ponder if ( programming > fixing car) [19:17] And I like it! [19:17] eviljames: welcome the way my brain works :-) [19:17] eviljames: but you didn't take issue with taranchula? [19:17] =P [19:17] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:17] eviljames: i get hardons for networking [19:17] social and IP [19:17] :] [19:18] my lug is trying to hold a time_t party [19:18] Daemon to monitor remote services and control Linux Virtual Server [19:18] ^^ fun fun :) [19:18] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] iptables module for load balancing :D [19:18] hackedhead: Didn't catch it. I'm what you may call a reformed grammar nazi. I don't bother to correct people that often anymore.. :) [19:18] Okay if i am trying to make a slackbuild and the package during on of it's make processes creates a database, whats the best way to handle that? Find out how it creates it manually and have that done post install? Install the source in /usr/src and instruct the user to run the command that will install that database? Or 3, some unknown UBER and LEET option i don't know of? [19:18] hahaha [19:19] a mysql database. [19:19] That is... weird. [19:19] lol wtf agentc0reWORK [19:19] read rc.mysqld [19:19] rworkman: ping? [19:19] CREATE DATABASE database; [19:19] read 'GRANT' help on mysql.com/org [19:20] acidchild: I know how to create a database, thank you. I am wondering if it is appropriate to do so in a slackbuild or not and what would be the best way to inform the user that step is still required. [19:20] agentc0reWORK: why not? :D [19:21] check if mysql is started, and continue -> [19:21] Just wanted to make sure that creating mysql databases via a slackbuild is okay. I plan on submitting it is why. [19:22] I'd rather not run into problems later and do complete it correctly now than have to fix it later, ya know what i mean? :) [19:22] put it in the README, and if they don' [19:22] don't read it, make it fail with a error. [19:22] Note a running mysql as a dependency. [19:22] Okay, sounds good! :) [19:22] agentc0reWORK: make two though, i like it your way [19:22] =] [19:22] <_adrenaline> Installing dropline [19:23] _adrenaline: failing in life... [19:23] <_adrenaline> nah [19:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] <_adrenaline> good times [19:23] acidkill: whens BBQ time? [19:23] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.112) left irc: "... Leaving , was still at work..." [19:23] macavity: don't know if you answered me earlier, but xshm helped you? [19:24] eviljames: performance comes to a crawling halt [19:24] acidchild: .. and it looks ugly [19:24] eviljames: ^^ [19:24] acidchild: false alarm [19:24] The other thing is there is a make process to install missing cpan modules. alienBOB told me to not include that in the slackbuild script and to make the user install those by themselfs. However, again, it's part of the make process and makes life really easy because their are a lot of cpan modules to be installed. [19:24] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Operation timed out [19:25] macavity: Oh, interesting. I hadn't seen that here. [19:25] Should i just put in the read me to go to the src dir before hand and run the make command that will go out and install all the cpan modules? [19:25] ecelis (i=ecelis@otaku.freeshell.org) left irc: "leaving" [19:25] eviljames: lots of my video stuff is in pretty high resolution [19:25] agentc0reWORK: what application are we talking about here? [19:25] BP{k}: Request Tracker. [19:26] Action: nachox installed rt in debian not so long ago, it was damn easy [19:26] macavity: If you're not addicted to open-source, the NV hardware/drivers are supposed to be top-notch. :) [19:26] nachox: It is very easy. Just trying to make a slackbuild of it since i am installing it now :) [19:26] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] macavity: Some people foam at the mouth when I mention that. [19:27] yeah its going around atm eviljames [19:27] eviljames: macavity would be one of them. [19:27] :P [19:27] hahaha [19:27] *woops* [19:27] He's probably have a free software seizure. [19:27] rabies or sommat [19:27] GNU/Epilepsy. [19:27] oh i see [19:28] i get that sometimes when i have to install Linux binary support on BSD [19:28] =P [19:28] Friend of mine just went to see RMS talk [19:28] "He's probably have" ? I accidentally the whole thing! [19:28] jkwood: I see the reddit coming out in you. [19:28] guys, i need a really violent audiobook, ideas? [19:29] American Psycho? [19:29] nachox: ^^ [19:29] s&m erotica [19:29] Charlie the Unicorn? [19:29] ;-) [19:29] haha [19:29] hahaha [19:29] acidkill: so when you comming up here with one of them BBQs [19:29] nah, something along the lines of the sword of truth [19:29] nachox, Obama has a tell all about his life and what inspired him. [19:29] would work great on my roof with some meat on it [19:29] ive done beef jerky a few times, people love that and it ships via mail easy. only problem shipping to canada is its like minimum $25 [19:30] no, YOU come [19:30] And besides, you can get great beef jerky in Canada. [19:30] Alberta beef FTW! [19:30] heh wish i had the $ to do that [19:30] agentc0reWORK: how many perl modules does it need? [19:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] BP{k}: http://pastebin.learnix.net/16 [19:31] howly crap, what application is that? [19:31] agentc0reWORK, forget about installing the required perl modules, just add the related instructions in the package install notice, you'd be breaking cpan otherwise [19:31] acidchild: Request Tracker. [19:32] agentc0reWORK: Have you tried using RT yet? [19:32] anyone having any luck building audacity 1.3.7 on Slack 12.1 ? [19:32] nachox: nachox Okay. I was thinking of adding the source to /usr/src and having instructions to go there and run the "make fixdeps" so it could be an easy install. What do you think? [19:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:33] eviljames: Yes, i have. And OTRS. I'm moving to RT none the less :), it's a lot less bloated. [19:33] agentc0reWORK, good enough, you dont have to force users to be connected to the internet to install the package however [19:34] (meaning you cannot run the cpan crap in the doinst script) [19:36] ChiaSmurf (n=Ruighiuo@c-68-59-43-178.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) joined ##slackware. [19:39] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-7856490ad151bfbb) left ##slackware. [19:39] agentc0reWORK: A lot less bloated, perhaps, but I found that my users outright rejected request tracker. [19:40] mwendi (n=moch@125.163.208.92) joined ##slackware. [19:40] eviljames, what tracker do you use? bugzilla? [19:40] it's all about how you integrate it imho [19:41] nachox: How do i add instructions in the package install notice? [19:41] nachox: I agree with you on that, it is all about integration. [19:41] nachox: And the company ended up moving to salesforce, so we use a module there instead. [19:42] All our tickets are internal, so it didn't matter if there was a link on our webpage or anything like that. [19:42] i lost a whole bunch of modules from perl when cpan updated something [19:42] -sigh- [19:42] acidchild: Life could be worse. You could have to help on a Windows project. ;) [19:43] Action: acidchild watchs GTK tests bounce around the screen [19:43] eviljames: Did you have them sign in to RT to submit their issue or did you just give them an email to mail? [19:44] agentc0reWORK: Sign-in. It was one of a few different ticketing systems we tried, having to figure out which one people hated the least. [19:45] eviljames: Ah, see i don't have mine do that. This is mostly for my benefit. :) What do you use then? [19:45] agentc0reWORK: A few months ago the company moved a lot of stuff to SalesForce. I don't mind it, less for me to do. [19:46] eviljames, we used rt and a few hacks to our postfix to get all the support mails redirected to it, we also let customers login to track their issues, i was fairly happy with how it worked, i think they stopped using it now [19:47] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] i find the only worthwhile redirection of support emails is to /dev/null [19:48] or an autoresponder that spoofs an undeliverable email back to them [19:48] eviljames, in fact, i left that workplace mainly because they made me setup that and never used it, and thet made me setup a new mailserver, much better than the one we were using at that moment and never went into production. [19:48] nachox: Well, it's good to have positive reviews for it. Maybe I'll give it another go. [19:48] nachox: What kind of mail server did you setup? [19:49] a postfix but integrated with mysql, with virtual everything, and a more powerful per user spam filter and lots of monitoring tools [19:49] spook: I couldn't agree more. The problem is that clients simply will not figure it out on their own. I'm pretty sure people have been trained specifically *not* to use analytical skill anymore. [19:49] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.92) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:49] imap and imaps and all that sh*t [19:49] toytoy (n=dindin@122.2.231.73) joined ##slackware. [19:50] dopiwan (n=soulrebe@pool-96-237-112-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] nachox: I asked because I currently have an exchange server and was seeing how easy it would to replace it but still have the same functionality that we use. I think the hardest part about it is since we use the calendaring function a lot, i'm not going to find an easy solution unless i do something like Zimbra or Open-exchange. And even still i'd have to have outlook connectors. So i... [19:51] ...dropped it and am going to upgrade to exchange 2007 :( [19:51] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] agentc0reWORK, sun has their sun java communication suite which has all you need, but it's not an easy setup. Their owa replacement is damn cool though. I'd still keep using exchange if i were you, i have to say it, exchange is cool [19:54] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] eviljames: i am currently hacking on minor shitload of build scipts to provide users of free drivers better options to test bleeding edge... so what do you think? :P [19:55] eviljames: this is most true at the highschool i work at. [19:55] eviljames: propietary software is not a suboptimal solution... it is outright wrong ;-) [19:56] dopiwan (n=soulrebe@pool-96-237-112-30.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:56] *Sator T3N3T arepO [19:56] to use a slashdot style car analogy, its like you have a drivers license, and ride a scooter instead of a car [19:56] Action: macavity starts to look foamy [19:56] Cryp71c (n=root@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:57] get it, drivers? [19:57] sorry - wrong window [19:57] :P [19:57] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:57] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:57] spook: That is a very sad state of affairs, does it include students and teachers? [19:58] agentc0reWORK, what was wrong with curret exchange server you had already? or are they just looking to upgrade "just cuz" [19:58] macavity: Outright wrong, that's a bit of an extremist position don't you think? :) [19:58] eviljames: mostly teachers. students just fail to follow instructions and need their passwords reset [19:59] macavity: I mean, I can see the argument from both sides. Company X produces piece of hardware Y, that needs software Z to utilize with other hardware. Company X invests $tons to create both hardware Y and software Z. What's the problem with them a) hanging on to their investment and b) making $ back? [20:00] macavity: On the other hand, software is an extension of human knowledge, and knowledge should always be free. [20:00] there is nothing wrong with neither a) nor b)... as long as that doesnt translate into problems for me [20:00] spook: Well, that's .. encouraging? [20:01] macavity: Well, if you bought an nvidia card, and used nvidia drivers, your graphics performance probably won't be a problem :D [20:01] b) rearely doesnt.. ill just find cheeper alternatives if i have to [20:01] brb [20:01] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:03] macavity: I recognize that overall I am not really on the right side of this argument, but I work for a company that produces proprietary software and hardware [20:03] So I get to hear from CTO and "Director of Marketing" types all damn day. [20:04] i wish i was a CTO [20:04] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [20:04] eviljames: if you attempt to sell me a coffee machine that only once ceartain kind of shop knows how to replace the filter on, i am going to tell you to shove it... and from there it just goes downhill.. the more complex the object, the more i insist on having the information about its detailed workings available [20:05] macavity: Excellent point. [20:05] *ne [20:05] *one [20:05] then i could mandate linux on the desktop, and have huge budget overruns writing opensource software to replace all the proprietary software that was used. [20:05] I will have to continue the debate I started tomorrow. Now, leaving the office sounds like a dream. [20:06] eviljames: no point in continuing.. you know what im going to say :P [20:06] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-45e8893b593be0c5) left irc: "mibbit.com: It's been fun!" [20:06] macavity: hows that build stuff coming? [20:06] man, i just woke up :-) [20:06] but if you are exceptionally qurious, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/git is the starting point [20:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] kevman_x86 (n=kevin@ool-44c7354e.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] i am just chopping that up to usable tools, to allow for several installments in paralell, and package creation [20:07] Action: Old_Fogie passes a cup of fresh ground coffee, and fresh brewed, with a "tap" of cinnamon added to the grinds :) [20:07] but by all means, see if you can get kbd to build :-/ [20:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "night" [20:07] Old_Fogie: i luub you maan! :P [20:08] haha, I'm having that now. Just woke up on the couch again. Still not sure how I'd gotten there in first place, but oh well. [20:08] macavity: yeah not THAT enthusiastic [20:09] Pig_Pen: you around ? [20:11] the 'topic' needs 2009-02-09 wicd (SSA:2009-040-01) [20:11] macavity: pongish [20:12] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Hey guys, ive got a driver question for you, hoping you can point me in the right direction. I just compiled my first kernel on slack 12.2, and in the process lost my sound card support. I have a Dell Sound blaster live!, which im pretty sure runs on the snd_emu10k1x. Is there anywhere in source that I can compile and build a module for that, and how exactly I would go about doing that? [20:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:13] kevman_x86, you need to run make xconfig (or whatever you use) and make your sound card a module (which you actually by mistake unticked before) [20:14] on clean tree and build again. [20:14] damn, I thought I included everything with alsa... [20:14] kevman_x86: it is a good idea to use Patrick's config file as a template the first time around [20:14] ill check though, thanks for the heads up. [20:15] kevman_x86: they are in /boot/config* [20:15] kevman_x86, sound cards get modules. remember, if there's a checkbox (meaning built in) and you're not sure, make it a 'module' with a dot. in time you can yank it out completely, but I find it serves no benefit. [20:15] actually, more times than not, I see no need for a custom kernel other than pre-empt, and timer adjust. [20:15] exactly [20:16] antiques here, and if anyone would feel it, it'd be me :) [20:16] i copy patricks config to $LNXSRC/.config and make oldconfig [20:16] macavity, right on [20:16] yup same here. no point to reinvent the wheel for 'maybe' and 'possible' milliseconds savings [20:16] i do my own [20:16] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:17] Heh, well it made a difference to me, going from smp-huge to a custom compile. [20:17] But maybe i just "think" it did, who knows. [20:17] I'd like somoene to show me a benchmark to even prove yanking out all the modules, and built it. maybe then I'd believe it. [20:17] kevman_x86: yes, if you change the CPU type and the pre-empt rules, it does feel more snappy [20:17] i installed 12.2 on my laptop and desktop, both of which use a ma401 orinoco 802.11b pcmcia card, however the desktop doesnt seem to recognize the card? [20:17] kevman_x86: but wrt all the drivers and sybsystems, there is little you can do [20:17] kevman_x86, I've yet to find *anyone* who can demonstrate a repeatable performance on Slackware or any other distro via benchmark. [20:18] which it did on 12.1 btw, dmesg just shows pcmcia card inserted... [20:19] i'm on a boat, mufucka [20:19] ? [20:21] you here that? [20:21] that's the sound a 269 "/whois" commands happening all at once [20:22] haha [20:22] Old_Fogie: I am upgrading it for several reasons. It's no longer supported by M$, so no more security updates or fixes for bugs. Exchange 2000 has an issue on how it handles people who greylist. I had to create a postfix server in as my front line to relay mail to it. Exchange 2000 has a 16Gb data base limit, which we've reached several times. When that happens, it's work really becomes... [20:22] 69... [20:22] ...no fun. Backing up, Since it's also running on server 2000 i don't have VSS. So i can't create useful backups, only database backup's which are worthless. [20:22] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] agentc0reWORK, right now, i think there is no better solution than exchange [20:24] agentc0reWORK, ever looked into mdaemon? fwiw it's served us well for years. [20:25] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.228.227) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] spook: http://pastebin.ca/1332121 [20:26] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [20:26] nachox: I think it's a good solution. Some other are almost there, but not quite yet. And those others cost almost as much as exchange after a couples years of annual payments. [20:26] Old_Fogie: I've never heard of it. [20:27] agentc0reWORK, such as what? domino? [20:27] spook: if you want to help with the stip part mentioned in the description, go right ahead :-) [20:27] agentc0reWORK, well check it out then, checkout their groupware as well. [20:27] Old_Fogie: that goes for you too [20:27] nachox: More along the lines of that yes. Any Exchange Alternative really. Zimbra is another. [20:28] I was actually going to do postpath until Cisco bought them out. [20:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] i never heard great things about zimbra [20:28] cmdl1n3 (n=cmdline@AMontsouris-757-1-13-121.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Me either, thats why i wasn't going to go that route. [20:29] Plus you have to pay an Annual license fee. Costs are low at first, but eventually you end up paying more for their software than you do Exchange. [20:29] honnestly, i dont think we get usable alternatives to AD/Exchange untill Samba4 is done, and OpenChange has lifted the code they need from it [20:30] macavity: I agree with you on that. [20:30] Maybe in a couple more years. [20:30] agentc0reWORK: they are closer than you might just think [20:30] macavity, you mean as to where to add the 'strip' part? [20:31] agentc0reWORK: they have come to the point where they can auto-generate the code for the RPC methods as soon as they have them formally described [20:31] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11/x11.SlackBuild look for lines just after make install [20:31] lol [20:31] Old_Fogie: no, i want off line debug info [20:31] ah yeah ok was going to mention that [20:32] Old_Fogie: and i want it as a seperate tool that we call between make install and makepkg [20:32] macavity, so this script I'm reading, this works? [20:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.77) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:32] Old_Fogie: that will build all the non-special packages [20:32] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:32] ah, well just run make install (no strip) then make install DESTDIR=$PKG then have strip after that [20:33] make \ make install \ make install DESTDIR=$PKG [20:33] then strip stuff [20:33] the makepkg... [20:33] that was the idea, yes [20:33] yeah, you can do that [20:34] if you need debug info you dont want to strip it. [20:34] XGizzmo, I think he wants the packages, no debug, but whats on his system there, to have the debug [20:34] Old_Fogie: Oh see, that mDaemon software requires an outlook connector to work like how exchanges does without that. I am avoiding connectors at all costs. I'd rather not make a GPO for it. [20:34] but we need to make special dirs for each of the libs/binaries, in, eg $PREFIX/share/debug/{lib, bin} and use objcopy to point to that [20:35] i dont know if it should go in share... [20:35] agentc0reWORK, suit yourself :) it's a ton less, good support. we've never had nor needed exchange, like I said, it's done us very well for years. [20:35] Old_Fogie: IC [20:35] but again, i want that as seperate packages (ok, i AM anal), so we can generate "two part" packages.. one with the binaries, and one with the debug info [20:35] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:36] macavity, nah, look at what Mr. V does, he has a 'skel' which is kind of wha you mention [20:36] XGizzmo: see strip(1) --only-keep-debug [20:36] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h199-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "Client exited" [20:37] Old_Fogie: please look up the strip part first [20:37] macavity, well, you can run "make \ make install DESTDIR= \ then makepkg xorg-server-1.0-i486-1_nodebug.tgz [20:37] with no strip [20:37] >_< [20:38] please... just see how offline debugging information is done [20:38] and have the buildscript , run make install DESTDIR=...then strip and call the package 1_withstrip.tgz [20:38] Well, what are you asking for then? :) [20:38] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [20:38] that you understand what offline debugging information is [20:39] its a 10 line read in strip(1) under --keep-only-debug [20:39] cmdl1n3 (n=cmdline@AMontsouris-757-1-13-121.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [20:40] that is what i meant with "two part package".. the one contains striped binaries (ajusted with objcopy) and the other contains the debug files [20:41] that way we get full performance/measurements on how it be like to use for end-users, but we can still produce full backtraces when something blows up [20:41] is it just more, or is this method *highly* overlooked by testing teams? [20:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-72-68-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Leaving." [20:42] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-13-94.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:43] macavity, that looks like a ton of work to do [20:43] macavity, I'd say have a build system for strip, and one that has the debug in it. tell users to use ccache, rebuild for debug will still be faster. [20:44] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust829.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] http://pastebin.ca/1332141 [20:46] it is not that hard.. ill get it to work [20:47] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:47] and i just verified that a.out will run even in the absense of a.out.dbg [20:47] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.58.229: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: wicd (SSA:2009-040-01) [20:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] and i just verified that a.out will run even in the absense of a.out.dbg [20:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GgARlPcYk [20:49] I feel like sharing this with everyone [20:49] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:50] Gargantua: it is costumary to tell what is at the end of the link... [20:50] is it goat pron? [20:50] On youtube? [20:50] Its awesomeness cannot be described by mere words. [20:50] humor? [20:50] Other than "Michael Scott on why bro's before ho's" [20:51] macavity, so you would be using find in conjunction with the --strip and objcopy then in the buildsystem ? [20:52] Gargantua: LMAO!! [20:52] I watched it like 200 times. [20:52] Old_Fogie: yes :-) [20:53] Old_Fogie: naturally im going to make it configurable [20:53] ok [20:54] Old_Fogie: ./autobuild --no-debug-pkg will just make packages, and --no-debug-pkg --strip will do it "the slackware way" [20:54] Old_Fogie: however, the later makes absolutely no sense for a testing effort [20:54] ScaN (n=X@host226.190-224-189.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Old_Fogie: bug, knowing that you have limited RAM and CPU speed, my approach is going to make the world of difference to to you [20:55] I wonder what the perf diff would be tho if debug symbols were in the package [20:55] Old_Fogie: you get *full speed* during test... yet you can produce backtraces.. how neat is THAT? [20:55] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [20:55] I dont necessarily need the speed, I need the fixes they speak of :) [20:56] you are aware that when compiling with -g all the source code gets copied into the binary, right? [20:56] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] you get an order of magnitude more pagefaults when debugging is enabled [20:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] I've debug so few a times, I can't recall when the last time was I rebuilt and ran to be honest [20:57] Action: macavity scratches head [20:58] uhm, we have debug info so we can mail the backtrace to the developers when things blow up [20:58] i dont ever think i will be able to hack on mesa/gallium code [20:58] yeah, but I've stopped mailing dev's ; tired of hearing Slackware's not a real distro yada yada yada :) [20:59] i wont get into a discussion like that [20:59] that's what /ignore is for [20:59] and we are basing our build method on thier own docs [20:59] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:00] when you try and have a battle of wits with a fool you end up looking like a fool. [21:01] exactly :-) [21:01] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] ScaN (n=X@host226.190-224-189.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:03] Old_Fogie: but you understand the concept of offline debugging information now? eg, how it is accomplished, and what it's purpose in life is, etc? [21:05] <_adrenaline> rebooting [21:06] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] i always heard it like this: "Never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" [21:07] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-b1540cc1e059292b) joined ##slackware. [21:07] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:08] lol [21:08] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:08] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] yes I see [21:09] now i just have the problem that it doesnt work :-/ [21:09] gdb insists that it cant find the debug info >_< [21:09] time to ask some "real hackers" then [21:09] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] macavity, I belive edman007 does debugging, he was teaching me a few things about it a ways back. [21:10] edman007: ping? [21:10] Old_Fogie: i think i need a binutils/gdb expert.. [21:10] i have slack 12.2 on my EeePC. It does not mount flashdrives automatically. [21:11] Hey guys whats a good equaliser for gnome ? so i can tweak the bass of my sub etc ? [21:12] ganeshix, have your user in plugdev group, make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.hal is running, re-login / out if you use usermod to modify the users group prive. you can use "id ganeshix" to see what groups a user name 'ganeshix' for example is in. [21:13] dusty_, "volume applet" [21:13] dusty_, tis a panel applet [21:13] macavity, pong [21:13] ganeshix, does that make sense? [21:13] edman007: are you binutils/gdb savy? [21:13] Old_Fogie, tnx. My user is member os plugdev, and both hald and messagebus are working. [21:14] Old_Fogie, i have that it does not allow me to change bass etc [21:14] edman007: http://pastebin.ca/1332141 <-- gdb bitches taht it cant find any debugging info in a.out [21:14] macavity, enough, if you strip the lib you kill the debug info, sometimes the build process included stripping and you have to disable it explicitly [21:14] edman007: it was compiled with -g [21:14] ganeshix, does dmesg show that the device is being even recognized by the system. [21:14] macavity, file a.out [21:15] dusty_, prefernces, make sure it shows the bass slider? [21:15] a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [21:15] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] doesnt have that in preference [21:15] Old_Fogie, yes, the system can see the device, but after that i dont know what happens [21:15] dusty_, there is of course the chance, that it doesnt even see your bass slider, so check 'alsamixer'in console and see if there. I have to toggle a 'tone' checkbox to be able to do it [21:16] edman007: wait a seccond... i just remembered that printf is actually a macro.. i may not have "anything to debug" in there after all [21:16] macavity, don't strip at all for debugging, the --only-debug is when you want to release a stripped binary and be able to read the backtrace/core dump [21:16] ganeshix, check bottom of /var/log/syslog see if any messages there? [21:16] macavity, it won't matter if you break on the line number [21:16] edman007: oh.. this is going to require a lot of explanation then.. [21:16] Old_Fogie, checked alsamixer it just has master channel [21:16] ok [21:16] edman007: did you read the link? [21:17] dusty_, you have "pulseaudio" installed? [21:17] yes [21:17] macavity, and and it shows nothing useful other than the file command, i see no output of gdb or objdump to prove what you say [21:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] edman007: do you understand what is going on there? [21:18] dusty_, then respectfully, I cannot help you, nor desire to . pulseaudio is useless pita and I wish gnome wouldnt standardize on beta ware. I dont know how to fix that. contact whoever you got gnome from and ask them. I truly doubt any one here will know. [21:18] LOL [21:18] dusty_, it's not your fault, [21:18] the manpage has a bug!!! [21:18] dusty_, it's bad software [21:18] its the other way around [21:18] macavity, i see what you are doing, and i'm telling you not to do that, it just causes problem trying to strip it and debug it with the symbols in a diff file [21:19] edman007: false alarm.. ill send in a patch of the manpage [21:19] haha, alright [21:19] edman007: see where i am pointing the link? [21:19] edman007: doooh :P [21:20] dusty_, you see the 'alsamixer' there is showing you the "pulseaudio" device and not your sound card. gnome is pulsse aware. so gnome is talking to pulse who intercepts all the sound and then messes it all up from there. [21:20] macavity, its a 7 line paste, containing 5 commands, only one of which prints any output... [21:20] hrm [21:21] ok if i remove pulseaudio ? [21:21] dusty_, that's how I knew to say pulse when you said "one slider" [21:21] edman007: it is objcopy --add-gnu-debuglink=a.our.dbg a.out (not the other way around) [21:21] dusty_, nah that'll be bad, you'll have apps in gnome calling for the pulse libraries and possible broken app's on luanch or run time. [21:21] macavity, and why are you doing that? [21:21] Action: dusty_ cries [21:21] edman007: and now it works.. gdb can run a full backtrace on the stripped binary [21:21] Old_Fogie, how can i fix ? [21:21] just not use gnome ? [21:22] macavity, `gcc -g main.c` is all you need to make an a.out with debugging symbols [21:22] you use gnome so how do you do it ? [21:22] dusty_, check the insall docs for the gnome, see about pulse stuff other than that, good luck :) [21:22] dusty_, I build gnome, without pulse [21:22] edman007: i know.. but i find it handy to have the debug info in another package [21:22] edman007: for testing reasons.. loooong story [21:23] macavity, you know you can just compile with -g and don't strip and leave the optimizations on, it only slows down load time (by making the files bigger), the actual code is not slower/larger and does not take up more ram [21:23] thats what i do if i think i may need debugging [21:24] edman007: branch prediction takes an indirect hit from the pagefaults.. no, not my argument, but Drepper's [21:24] Old_Fogie, "9 20:43:40 loki kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through" [21:25] edman007: but this gives the best of both worlds... the debug file is not loaded untill gdb tries to produce a backtrace [21:25] ganeshix, is the drive formatted? [21:25] yes, vfat [21:25] ganeshix, have you tried to manually mount it, such as "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tmp -o,ro" as a test at all? does it mout that way? [21:25] edman007: anyhow.. ive got it working now [21:26] i use it all the time on two other slack boxes: mounts automatically. [21:26] yes, it mounts well manually. [21:26] macavity, in loading/compiling maybe, but the actual code is byte for byte identical, the symbols are just stuffed into the elf as a separate section, then you run it the kernel skips that section [21:26] basically, all the speed hits are before the linking phase [21:26] ganeshix, kde? or xfce? [21:27] it's just frustrating that it does not do it automatically here. [21:27] kde [21:27] ganeshix, ah ok, but if you open konqueror, can you mount it from there? [21:28] edman007: i wont agure with neither you nor Ulric Drepper about this... but with this method i preserve startup time and *loads* of memory (it is the entire xorg/mesa stack we are talking about here.. yes, libs and everything) [21:29] leme check [21:30] macavity: what are you doing? external debug info? [21:30] XGizzmo: yes :-) ive got it working nicely now! [21:30] Old_Fogie, konq does not see it; and it does not appear on the desktop [21:31] cool, I think I have seen QT setup that way also. [21:31] XGizzmo: but apparently i have to tell long tales and justify why i want to do it every time i ask questions about it ;-) [21:31] XGizzmo: no wonder... Qt shrinks to 10% when you strip it :P [21:31] ganeshix, full install? what version of slack? how did you install upgrade, cd, etc [21:31] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:36] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [21:37] ganeshix, that'll help know if it's a kde only issue or underlying lib issue [21:38] i see, i'll look [21:38] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-316a76bd697e9bb8) joined ##slackware. [21:39] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.144.239.230) joined ##slackware. [21:40] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-316a76bd697e9bb8) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] You guys wanna see something sorta interesting? [21:40] http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5469/40337892lx8.jpg [21:41] Letter frequency for my log of slackware. [21:41] http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2320/54719291kf9.jpg [21:41] That one's for ##c. [21:41] Old_Fogie, there is no thunar installed. Do you want me to install it for testing purposes? [21:41] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-104b3d5ca77996d3) joined ##slackware. [21:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] How can you call your system slackware if it doesn't have thunar? [21:42] ... [21:42] spook: external debug working now [21:42] Apparently, I would have to install all xfce, and I don't think I have space. [21:42] ganeshix, xfce's not too big of a package, I'd say try that yea, since putting xfce in install thunar file manager, then log out of kde, into xfce and see if the usb drive works. its' a quick enuff test. if that does work, your kde is wrong, if it dont work, well, you got some hunting to do to see what stuff you neeed on board to get that working since it's not a 'full insall' you know. [21:43] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:43] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@99-191-35-189.lightspeed.snfcca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [21:43] Old_Fogie, it makes sense. I'll try that. [21:43] http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5782/10045116gb2.jpg [21:43] oops [21:43] ganeshix, don't know what to say, non full installs are doozies :) [21:44] ganeshix, you know the saying "you break it, you get to keep the pieces" heh [21:44] yeah, i know... :) [21:45] ganeshix, but you'll need dbus packages, (there's a few) pyqt ( I believe), udev, hal, hal -info, man the ldd's go on and on [21:45] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.176.74) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:45] ganeshix, for xfce it needs dbus-glib [21:45] ganeshix, I think you'd find it easier to bug hunt it with xfce and thunar than kde, but that's my 0.02 [21:46] omg [21:47] it sounds like installing the rest of the distro would make more sense... [21:47] yea but not as fun :) [21:48] ok, i'll try installing xfce and cross my fingers. [21:49] gui_ap_ (n=gui_ap@189.111.32.24) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:49] chemfire (n=chatzill@dsl093-011-050.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] I'm trying in the intel-gfx channel but apparently they are without phalanges and are thus unable to type. [21:50] wow I think slashdot is down [21:50] maybe it got hacked? :P [21:50] Well they don't use slack so its possible (j/k) [21:50] What is the most recent version of the intel graphics driverset that works on the stock 12.2 kernel (2.6.27.7-smp)? [21:51] I have an X3100 which works well [21:51] Cryp71c, what is in slack is latest, else you gotta upgrade a some libs [21:51] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:51] Old_Fogie, which libs? mesa? [21:52] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.229) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] no, the protos, mesa, libdrm, and then recompile all your input drivers [21:52] (not recommended) [21:52] libdrm, which means some other stuff need be done as well, and without 2.6.28 kernel you're not going to get gem bene's [21:52] Old_Fogie, xfce installed. Now i'll log out and log in with xfce. I'll be back to tell you the results. [21:52] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ganeshix, k [21:52] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] yeah, I tried doing the 2.6.28 kernel and when it was all said and done, my broadcom wireless card wouldn't even show up in ifconfig. [21:52] woo. [21:53] mmmm jim beam [21:53] booo Jack Daniels [21:53] Action: Cryp71c lives in Tennessee. [21:53] XGizzmo, Brother Beam is a good man. [21:53] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-226-229.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Now now both Bourbon and Ten Wisky have their place [21:53] Action: chemfire is a Kentucky boy [21:54] Old_Fogie, what would cause a device to not even show up like that? A mis-configured module_install ? [21:54] if you're not on the stock kernel, reproduce it on the stock kernel [21:54] I have an ALPS Glidepoint touchpad on my laptop, and I've set it up in xorg.conf using the synaptics driver, but it seems whenever I click (single or double), it lags enough that it's noticeable, is there any way to fix this? (or a reasoning behind it?) [21:55] thrice`, the issue only arises when I upgrade to the newest kernel. [21:55] Cryp71c: is the driver loaded? lsmod and look for it--if it's not loaded, the dev won't show up, IIRC. [21:55] Cryp71c is the drice built in loaded from rc.modules or hotplug? [21:55] then you didn't configure your USB support properly [21:56] blackorca: what lags, exactly? [21:56] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:56] beej71, the time from when I tap on the touchpad to when it actually clicks on the screen [21:56] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] blackorca: funky. [21:56] chemfire, ahh I'm not good enough with linux to properly answer all of your techno-questions! (I know I know, "you shouldn't be playing with kernels"..I'm learning). [21:57] beej71, maybe 100-200 ms [21:57] beej71, I'll have to check, I'm booted into my stock kernel atm. [21:57] I wish I'd have found synergy long ago. I'm liking this. :) [21:57] Slackware has three ways modules might get loaded without you doing something [21:57] blackorca: run xev, and click in the window. [21:57] you shouldn't need to load any usb modules by hand (udev will do this for you). odds are it's mis-configured [21:57] blackorca: do you see the lag there/ [21:57] bono (i=bono@118-168-233-236.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:57] There is an rc.modules script that loads some stuff explicitly, hotplug and you might have built your module into the kernel [21:57] synergy is nice yes. but its no substitute for a proper multihead setup [21:57] beej71, yes [21:57] Old_Fogie, I'm on xfce now. Thunar can't see my flashdrive. It's not on the desktop either. [21:58] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:58] ganeshix: on a stock kernel? [21:58] thrice`, I copied my 2.6.27.7-smp config over and used 'make oldconfig' when installing the new kernel..perhaps that's to blame? Other than that I did a cookie-cutter kernel installation. [21:58] blackorca: what wm/desktop are you running? [21:58] beej71, XFCE [21:58] should work Crypt [21:58] spook: you mean like using a kvm switch? [21:58] beej71, there was no lag when I was using the "mouse" driver [21:58] bono (i=bono@118-160-161-178.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] chemfire, that's what I thought. Maybe I botched the 'cookie-cutter [21:58] d'oh, I think i'm mixing two issues :> [21:58] ' * installation [21:59] try depmod -av [21:59] blackorca: I wonder if it's waiting a huge length of time for a double click? [21:59] chemfire, that at me? [21:59] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.253) joined ##slackware. [21:59] yes [21:59] Old_Fogie, yes, stock kernel. [21:59] k so lsmod and depmod -av [21:59] beej71, actually, I just did a double click in xev, and that shows up instantly as soon as I tap the second time [21:59] blackorca: but at some deep hardware level, apparently, 'cause xev lags, too [21:59] Alrighty I'll be back in a few. Going to give this a run. [21:59] if something failed in the build you might be missing deps [22:00] beej71, so I wonder if this is an issue with my xorg config [22:00] Maybe one important library is missing, I'm guessing now. [22:00] chemfire, is depmod going to give me shitloads of stuff to read through? A list of dependencies seems like it might be big. [22:00] beej71, I'll check out the manpage for the synaptics driver, h/o [22:00] blackorca: k [22:00] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:01] it should only give you error crypt [22:01] awesome, brb. [22:01] Cryp71c (n=root@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-176-74.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] blackorca: The ClickTime parameter controls the delay between the button down and button up X events generated in response to a tap event. A too long value can cause undesirable autorepeat in scroll bars and a too small value means that visual feedback from the gui application you are interacting with is harder to see. [22:02] blackorca: dunno if that's anything useful [22:02] blackorca: found it here: http://linux.die.net/man/5/synaptics [22:03] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [22:03] blackorca: MaxTapTime might be it. [22:03] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.59.221) joined ##slackware. [22:03] chemfire (n=chatzill@dsl093-011-050.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091418]" [22:04] spook: ok I understand what you mean by multihead now, but what I'm doing with synergy is on two seperate systems. [22:04] Old_Fogie, maybe it's time to call it a night. I'll keep working on it later; i'll figure it out. Thanks for the help this evening. [22:04] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] yes and its no substiture for a multi-head system [22:05] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [22:05] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:08] beej71, I tried changing both of those values and neither fixed the issue, unfortunately [22:09] beej71, setting MaxTapTime too low and it won't register taps at all (but even the lowest value where it actually will register still produces some lag) [22:09] it figures, i get my tv tuner and mythtv working and theres nothing worth watching [22:09] beej71, setting ClickTime didn't change things noticeably either [22:10] beej71, but I think you may be on to something about it waiting too long for a second tap, so I'll keep reading the manpages and let you know if I come up with something, unless you have any other suggestions [22:11] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [22:12] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:12] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:13] beachsurfin (n=h@unaffiliated/girlmeteor) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:14] beej71, it appears that setting SingleTapTimeout to a low value works :) [22:15] beej71, to test to make sure it wasn't just placebo, I set it as 1000 (I assume it's in milliseconds, since it seems to be about a second lag now) [22:15] beej71, thanks for giving me that idea :) [22:16] Cryp71c (n=root@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] ah chemfire left =\ [22:17] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] gallium-0.2 just got merged with mesa-master-branch :-) [22:17] beej71, lsmod returned nothing (it displayed a header "Module Size Used by" but that was it. [22:21] DDrKPssNgR (n=J@189.82.130.147) joined ##slackware. [22:22] which slackware CD do i need to make a installation from a FTP? [22:23] audacity: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?execution=e2s1 [22:23] You can get by with the first one, or even alienBOB's mini install cd. [22:23] Do you guys think setting up sudo would present a security risk, so long as I'm the only person using the computer? [22:24] I cant see how a remote attacker can do that one tho, that strikes me just odd [22:24] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ <-- 40 megs, if it'd make things easier on you. [22:24] blackorca: I wouldn't think so, as long as you require a password. [22:24] Lock your workstation when you leave, that kind of thing. [22:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:25] Cryp71c: wild. do you know the module name for your hardware? can you modprobe it? [22:25] jkwood, okay, thanks [22:25] thanks ;D [22:25] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.144.239.230) left irc: "googlin' my ^%$##@ AC860" [22:26] beej71, I can, but I have no idea how modprobe works. Following chem's instruction I did 'depmod -av' and got no errors (he said that it would output only module errors). [22:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:29] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:31] DDrKPssNgR (n=J@189.82.130.147) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] Cryp71c: in one window, run as root, "tail -f /var/log/messages", then in another run "modprobe xxxx" where xxxx is the name of the module. [22:32] (both as root, actually) [22:33] hopefully something useful will appear in messages. [22:35] Cryp71c: modprobe is "automagic insmod", insmod does what its name implies.. it inserts a module in the kernel.. the automagic part of modprobe is that it will load any aditional modules needed by the module you are trying to insert [22:35] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:39] and you dont need to hunt down the path to the module [22:40] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [22:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQi8dNEEKM&feature=related [22:43] anyone know what that piece of music at about 0:55 is? [22:43] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:00] o.O [23:00] 8-D [23:01] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] bono (i=bono@118-160-161-178.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:03] username27 (n=username@ip72-218-168-91.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:05] hey [23:05] yo [23:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] kevman_x86 (n=kevin@ool-44c7354e.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:06] sup [23:07] man... im tired. small motorcycle wreck in the morning, put up fencing in the after noon, skated at night... and smoked tweed all day long [23:07] meh, idling, you? [23:07] hahahah [23:07] trrread (n=u12j@nat.unpad.ac.id) joined ##slackware. [23:07] sun burnt [23:07] wow [23:08] he he. i want to skate [23:08] that sounds like alot more than 1 day [23:08] yeah, feels like it [23:08] i'd like to skate but i live in ice planet hell [23:09] well, i guess i could ice skate [23:09] but i'm not dainty enough for that [23:09] i like longboard skating [23:09] hell, ive been skating all my life and i used to be pretty... stout. [23:11] aye [23:11] i dont do tricks. just carve like im on waves [23:11] i used to skate, never did get to great at it, never tried long board [23:11] man, this box of Runts candies sucks... its half banana... [23:11] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:12] oh man. longboards are way better IMO [23:13] they look like surf boards, can see why you'd ride them that way hehe [23:13] i took one oy my bearings sheilds off all my bearings and lubed them up properly. i kick off and it just glides so far and smooth [23:14] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] yeah. unfortunately, this is my first LB so im having to find the style i want [23:14] let me find this youtube of the shit i want to get [23:15] you gave your longboard a lube job? [23:15] my my, you're flexible [23:15] hahaha [23:15] lol [23:15] it was worth the stiff neck [23:15] annoying... you cant search for "@" in man/less [23:16] /@ translates to First-file / [23:16] mac-, sure you can, just gotta escape it [23:16] try /\@ [23:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuxYWZQgcrg [23:16] trrread (n=u12j@nat.unpad.ac.id) left irc: "leaving" [23:16] 55" Bamboo series [23:17] fati: i luuub ya man! [23:17] Action: macavity got his mojo back [23:17] :-D [23:18] hmmm [23:18] me flash plugin disappeared [23:18] Action: agentc0re steals macavity's mojo and goes back in time [23:18] slackbuilds.org [23:19] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.253) joined ##slackware. [23:19] hi there. which version of RHEL would be most compatible with slack 12.1 if i were to use rpm2targz? [23:19] these guys are dancing with 55" LB like it was a surfboard [23:19] agentc0re: noooes.. if you steal my mojo we will never have a proper test system for xorg/mesa :-/ [23:20] aetheria: none [23:20] aetheria: ... [23:20] aetheria: trush me.. rpm2tgz is a hack for people who *really* know what they are doing [23:20] ok. i appreciate the advice and will seek another method. [23:20] okey [23:21] aetheria: and uhm.. how the hell would we know what versions of RHELL came with what verions of what libs build with what compiler and linked with what binutils? [23:21] aetheria: What do you need a package of? [23:22] macavity: good point :-) [23:22] jkwood: many different ones [23:22] aetheria: Well, you might start at http://slackbuilds.org for a start. [23:22] fati: i live in a place just driving distance to a longboarders 15+ mile playground [23:23] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] jkwood: yes, i know about that [23:23] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.253) left irc: Client Quit [23:23] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.253) joined ##slackware. [23:24] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.253) left irc: Client Quit [23:24] aetheria: also, looking over just a single slackbuild should teach you the craft of manual package creation [23:24] aetheria: it is really not that hard.. slackware keeps things like that *exceptionally* simple [23:25] macavity: i think i'm going to install rpm and build my own rpms because I prefer it over slackpkg [23:25] aetheria: honnestly, then you should consider another distro [23:26] macavity: heh. its not my choice unfortunately. [23:26] aetheria: that is, unless you are an rpm expert [23:26] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] but allas.. if you are foced to work with slackware [23:27] just observe that the rpm package in slackware is labeled "UNSUPPORTED" for a good reason [23:28] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] upyr1 (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [23:28] my guess is, with the slackware build system being so easy and all, that it will take more effort to get rpms up and running, than learning the slackware way [23:28] Action: jkwood boggles [23:29] but.. your choice, your rules, your install.... your problem [23:29] Action: Old_Fogie does the "it's been 3 years on gnu systems, and I can finally edit a flac!" dance [23:29] Old_Fogie: congrats! :-) [23:29] well slackpkg sucks [23:29] Cann0n, cool video [23:29] macavity, yes audacity 1.3.7 beta ... sweet goodness! [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] aetheria: shut your filthy moutgh [23:29] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] must sleep now! see ya [23:29] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] fati (n=brian@71.238.167.164) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] aetheria: in case you havent noticed... you are in the wrong audience to get any support for that view [23:30] spook: Easy there, haunch. [23:30] macavity, was just released this past week or so [23:30] aetheria: How do you think it could be improved? [23:30] "automatic dependency resolution" [23:30] blech.. [23:30] that would effectively put a stop to my current efforts [23:31] Action: agentc0re comes back from time and gives macavity his mojo back [23:31] i *need* a system that disregards if some component is missing today [23:31] macavity: We don't need no stinkin GNU/Automatic GNU/Dependency GNU/Resolution. [23:31] its too difficult to customize, for example adding post installation or pre-installation scripts [23:31] agentc0re: thx.. now i can get on with my work :P [23:31] slackpkg was never designed to work with anything other than the official slackware packages, which have no dependency information [23:31] its great for basic software, but for more complex stuff i find that its usefulness breaks down [23:31] aetheria: that is done on the package side. [23:31] post installation scripts as in global or package-specific? [23:32] aetheria: you're talking about the slackware package format, not slackpkg [23:32] i dont belive we have pre-install at all [23:32] but i cant think of a use case where you cant do it in doinst.sh [23:32] spook: yes, i guess i really mean the slackware package system itself, not slackpkg. sorry. [23:33] post-installation stuff is handled in doinst.sh. [23:33] jkwood: package specific [23:33] And as far as pre-installation... I'm not sure what you would do there. [23:33] i have a hard time figuring out when you need that [23:33] jkwood: also, many of the existing slackpkg scrips really aren't up to muster IMHO. for example the snort one is massively lacking in important things [23:34] if you expect installed slackware packages to "just work" without any configs, you're doing it wrong (tm) [23:34] unless you try to guess-fix a broken issue [23:34] aetheria: uhm.... there is no "snort slackpkg script" [23:34] jkwood: what about post-removal? [23:34] you are most likely confused, and will be eaten by a grue [23:34] aetheria: again, it is the slackware package format, not slackpkg [23:35] aetheria: slackpkg is a script that uses wget and pkgtools to manage official slackware packages [23:35] there is no point in discussing this.. aetheria is being forced to work with slackware but doesnt like it [23:35] I guess I would need an example of what you would do post-removal or pre-installation. [23:35] sorry, i meant slackbuild [23:35] aetheria: if you need help with any of the *supported* slackware packages, let us know [23:35] aetheria: again, slackbuild is a method of creating a package. [23:36] e.g., the snort slackbuild script includes no init scripts. it does not set up the user. [23:36] aetheria: but taking out your frustrations here over a system that we like wont help you accomplish anything [23:36] aetheria: fix the doinst.sh.. that is what it is there for.. [23:36] aetheria: packages are not meant to be drop in functioning. for example mysql requires a user etc etc. [23:36] I believe that's because that's how Alan chose to handle it in that situation. [23:37] macavity: jkwood asked me what i thought the issues were [23:37] aetheria: have you adressed these issues with the maintainer? [23:37] it doesnt matter.. he would rather be somewhere else [23:37] aetheria: so email the maintainer of the slackbuild, the only person who has the power to do anything, instead of whining here, and being likely to be eaten by a grue [23:37] spook: snort also does. or at least that is how it *should* be run [23:38] macavity: Who me? I'm just trying to resolve issues/confusion. [23:38] aetheria: so email the maintainer of the slackbuild, the only person who has the power to do anything, instead of whining here, and being likely to be eaten by a grue [23:38] aetheria: i can keep saying that until you start listening [23:38] jkwood: he is clearly just letting out steam over that someone has made him work with slackware, where is CRHE license is no good [23:38] spook: Are you drinking again? [23:38] kozandr_ (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [23:39] jkwood: its 1:40pm and i'm at work. i hope not [23:39] CHEERS... in coffee :P [23:39] hi. no, i asked about compatible rpm and was seeking advice. i'm not pissed. anyhow, i have to work... [23:39] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] aetheria: the official answer to that is "rpm is not supported, for good reasons... use at your own risk" [23:40] aetheria: clearly you have a case of selective listening. (Also the grues are telling me that you look tasty) [23:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.11) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Action: BP{k} turns off the light [23:41] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:41] aetheria: Well, I can appreciate some of your objections. At first glance, the Slackware build system doesn't look terribly powerful. But, I'd encourage you not to abandon it totally. [23:41] Action: spook starts up a conversation with the grues [23:41] grue1: hows your wife? [23:42] grue1: well its not my fault she wasnt faithful to you. [23:42] grue1: well you're more interesting to talk to than aetheria, since you actually listen to me. [23:43] Action: macavity is now known as grue1 [23:43] BP{k}, gn [23:44] Old_Fogie: evening. :) [23:44] Old_Fogie: thats what she said? [23:44] btw.. what IS a "grue"? [23:44] elektr1k (n=xenosaga@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:44] wotchers! BP{k} [23:44] a gruesome animal? [23:44] heh, you said turn out light, thought you meant sleepy bye boe time again [23:45] macavity: what ARE birds? we just don't know. [23:45] spook: i am positive that i can identify one if i see it.. but i am not sure i could identify a grue if i ever stumbled across on in a dark alley [23:45] me either [23:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster) [23:46] macavity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster) [23:46] i would like to though... as i think it would be cool to attach grues to emails when composing nastygrams [23:46] The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. [23:47] I dunno, I know a few people that meet that description [23:47] i'm a spook, so i'm naturally at home with grues [23:47] no purdy pictures of grues? [23:47] however they live in pitch blackness, so you cant see them [23:47] BP{k}: lol :-) [23:48] BP{k}: in that case, i think *I* am a grue :P [23:48] http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/grue.html [23:48] macavity, nah can't be, you eat hamburgerwithcheesenolettucetomatoewithback kthxbai [23:48] they also absorb all light, like a Defel from starwards [23:48] starwars lol. [23:49] so IR goggles dont help [23:49] I think a previous manager of mine was a grue......spineless weenie [23:49] Old_Fogie: s/withcheese/ nonotthechesse/ [23:49] no cheese! Blasphemy! [23:50] lol [23:50] Old_Fogie: if i order a whopper they always give me whoppercheese if i dont stress that [23:50] elektr1k (n=xenosaga@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] oh man, how do you have it no cheese, that's un-American [23:50] cheese is teh shit.. but on BK/McD they have "plastic cheder" [23:50] damm, I could do with a doublewhopper with cheese. [23:50] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] Old_Fogie: uhm... i am DANSIH [23:50] BP{k}, I second that notion [23:50] macavity, oh yea right [23:51] :) [23:51] really, if they had decent cheese at burgar resturantz i would have some [23:51] Old_Fogie: http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13984 [23:52] but that foul tasting some-kind-of-smoke-taste-additive plastic/egg-yoke compound they have is NOT cheese [23:52] it doesnt even taste like cedar [23:52] chedar [23:52] Action: macavity cant spell and is eaten by a grue [23:52] _ohm (n=nava@nom19304a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:52] ah , chedar? why they put that on there? here it's "American Cheese" (yellow) [23:52] roller derby looks almost as awesome as jello wrestling [23:53] I find it a plus that my artificial cheese not taste like wood [23:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Old_Fogie: yellow/white == eatable; orange/brownish == plastic cheese? [23:54] BP{k}, ah I see that , good to know that they're aware. [23:54] macavity, oh well then yes, I do not blame you then at all. [23:55] Old_Fogie: home made burgaz are, at the end of teh day > * [23:55] Old_Fogie: especially when one has a GF who can actually bake like a pro [23:55] Old_Fogie: yeah, the silly thing is, I talked to the devs and it *should* look for /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ anyway (it's actually hardcoded in the source I think) [23:55] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:55] very true. I got some homemade tacos I made, and well, I burped not too long ago, and it's making me hungry again. [23:55] and s/bake/suck/... but that is another story [23:56] BP{k}, that would figure [23:56] macavity: I hope not at the same time ;) [23:56] BP{k}: hey.. what an awesome skill.. morning BJ and brötchen at the same time :P [23:57] BP{k}: ... what is brötchen called in english? "morning buns"? [23:57] macavity: I'll just say this .. remember "march 14th" ;) [23:57] you're making me hungry [23:58] ... i heard "morning bjs"? [23:58] march 14th? is that a conventions? [23:58] BP{k}: can you have keth email us all some stakes? were all hungry :P [23:58] macavity: probably "bread roll" [23:58] okies [23:58] uhm sure :) [23:59] macavity: you can have all the stakes you want ;) [23:59] I'll be keeping the steaks, however ;) [23:59] she can do more than email them, she can drive one through your heart [23:59] eeek [23:59] "morning BJ and brötchen" <--- at same time might lead to "Sticky Bunns" [23:59] hahahaha [23:59] Action: macavity epicfails at spellink [23:59] another morning breakfast, 'cinn-a-bon" [23:59] haha [23:59] hahaha [23:59] Old_Fogie: you've still got it [23:59] :D [00:00] --- Tue Feb 10 2009