[00:00] yeah, I have recently fallen in love with vim, so why not [00:00] or you could use a sperate file in /etc/profile.d/ something like /etc/profile.d/10-local/sh. [00:01] crontab editing is very basic. vi works best imo. [00:01] BP{k}, does that file run before or after /etc/profile? [00:01] sahk0, there is no "best" 8-P [00:02] (although i use vim too, since its the only vi in my system) [00:02] yes there is, pico is best [00:02] notepad :o [00:02] vi is more lightweight and productive than anything [00:02] Skywise, you're aware that slackware 13 has nano now, right? [00:02] sahk0, if you know it 8-P [00:02] nano is nuts [00:02] Delahunt: actually just adding a line VISUAL=vim in /etc/profile didn't work. When I did crontab -e, it again opened up in vi [00:02] there will never be a "best" because it's up to user preference (and users are fickle) [00:02] you are also aware that "vi" by default is "elvis" [00:03] it screws up screen updates and loses the cursor and i can never really tell whats going on with nano [00:03] but pico, thats solid as a rock [00:03] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] I hate vi, I can never figure out how to edit in vi [00:03] cryptic0, for now do VISUAL="vim" crontab -e [00:03] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:03] cryptic0: Did you log out or source the new profile? [00:03] cryptic0: then you haven't tried hard enough yet ;) [00:03] oh shit. I fucked up. What's the name of the task bar widget that displays your windows? I accidently deleted it -_- [00:03] yeah what's the deal, why does slackware use elvis as default instead of vi? [00:03] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:04] vbatts: I would rather not. vim is much better [00:04] diogenes323: because it is tiny and has the most common used features [00:04] well thats what i gather people imply when the state 'vi' [00:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:05] cryptic0: ^^ [00:05] You people are evil, somebody has to know how to open their widgets and find it. I've looked through the list 5 times, tried everything that seemed related. [00:05] the best editor is rmt [00:05] er jrmt [00:05] japanese royal milk tea [00:05] i hope nvi was there instead of elvis. much better imo [00:05] stuff tastes awesome [00:05] i fart in your general direction! 8-P [00:06] neconide: task manager i believe, no? [00:07] diogenes323, THANK YOU. [00:07] Action: neconide gives diogenes323 a cookie. [00:07] sahk0: its on SBo, development/nvi [00:08] vbatts: yes i know [00:09] if i used it though, id do it only to get rid of vim, but then i would install slackware without an editor, so i just stick to vim.lol [00:10] why would you need to remove vim? at most change the symlink to vi? [00:10] I use vim, though the 'visual mode' thing annoys me.. I liked back when I could highlight in rxvt and paste into some gui app :( [00:11] Action: Delahunt furikake on rice nom nom nom [00:11] Action: Delahunt blows his wasabi breath on everyone [00:11] raela: you may just need to :set mouse="" [00:11] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.144.254) joined ##slackware. [00:11] besides sahk0, with libvi.so.0.0.0, nvi is the same size as elvis [00:11] actually bigger [00:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-229-20.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] oh, really? [00:12] raela: it sounds like it [00:13] ( cd /usr/bin ; rm -f vi ; ln -s vim vi ) [00:13] well, there I go.. thanks so much! :D [00:13] \o/ [00:13] does crontab keep track of all actions it did in some file somewhere? [00:13] add 'set mouse=""' to your ~/.vimrc [00:13] I set up a job, but I don't see the process it was supposed to have been running [00:13] also I like to chmod 000 /usr/share/vim/vimrc because it turns on some annoying behaviour by default (but then I have a fancy ~/.vimrc) [00:14] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:14] heya,Urchlay..how's it going? [00:15] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:16] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] hey MLanden [00:16] I'm snowed in [00:17] it's dusting here in east Virginia but hear it's comin' down hard west of here down towards y'all [00:17] not currently snowing, but the roads are pretty well covered in ice [00:17] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] I could drive somewhere if I *had* to, but would rather not [00:18] hey vanguard|nitrobacterium [00:18] 20 23 08 01 05 /home/me/script <--- will this script run after 2 minutes? [00:18] err Urchlay [00:18] Urchlay, did you get a chance to look at that healing power video i posted earlier? [00:18] fire|bird, how's the weather for y'all in Minnesota? [00:19] there's several inches of snow here, 6-8 possible overnight.. I wouldn't want to drive [00:19] MLanden: It wasn't bad today, was quite windy yesterday, and the day before that it snowed, 6-7". There's about a total of around 16-17" if not more snow on the ground. [00:19] raela, no all wheel drive or snow tires? 8-P [00:19] Action: Delahunt noticed that this is why Japanese vehicles like Subaru and Suzuki come with all wheel drive: 70% of Japan is mountainous [00:20] what isn't mountanous in japan fell off a mountain at one point [00:21] you fell off a mountain! >:| [00:21] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:21] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Delahunt: that, plus my car was made in 94 and has 227k miles.. it's not exactly the best for winter weather :P [00:21] how do I know if my cron daemon is running? [00:22] ps -HA x and look for crond [00:23] hey, emptiest|copier [00:23] Skywise: got it. I wonder why my cronjob is not getting executed. The daemon is running [00:23] er, fire|bird [00:23] and the /var/log/cron is empty [00:23] we don't really have inches of snow, there's like a thin frozen crust [00:24] what's on the roads is "black ice", really thin layer of ice that's hard to see [00:24] lol,Urchlay....no ink or no paper?....:D [00:24] cryptic0: paste the relevant line from your crontab? [00:25] *referring to play on fire|bird's name [00:25] raela, well the things you mention point to it not being the best for any weather, not necessarily winter. if you drive slowly and cautiously you can make it there if you try [00:25] Urchlay: 20 23 08 01 05 /home/me/runstructure [00:26] yeah we have really rough weather here too http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [00:26] folks south of the equator...how's the summer shaping up?...:D [00:26] cryptic0: you're running that every 5 years... [00:26] lmao [00:27] cryptic0: once every 5 years.. [00:27] lol [00:27] that is if i understand cron correctly [00:27] what? I thought 5 was Friday [00:27] cryptic0: ok, so at 8:23PM on either the 8th of January, or else the 5th day of the week [00:28] there's no year field in crontab [00:28] oh [00:28] Urchlay: I thought first entry was minutes [00:28] cryptic0: it is, I read it backwards [00:28] Delahunt: also, it's nearly 12:30 am.. I have no reason to travel anywhere. it can drive in the snow, I just prefer not to [00:29] 11:20PM, then [00:29] Urchlay: so should it not run at 11:23pm tonight [00:29] yeah [00:29] aka 23:20 [00:29] ah well that's more like it lol [00:29] ok, so I wonder why it didn't [00:29] if it helps, I am logged in remotely over ssh [00:29] is /home/me/runstructure executable? [00:29] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Urchlay: yes, I did +x on it [00:30] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.245.46) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [00:31] ok... maybe you can "ls -l --time=atime /home/me/runstructure" and see if the file got read at the correct time? [00:31] check your email for crontab errors [00:31] yeah [00:32] Urchlay: the file didn't get read at the correct time [00:33] where is my email? [00:33] /var/mail? [00:33] just type "mail" [00:33] or type 'mail' [00:33] recommendations for a lightweight image viewer on slackbuilds.org ? [00:34] ristretto [00:34] fhobia: don't like 'display'? [00:34] no mail for me [00:34] yeah, i don't like it [00:34] i have like 50 sequential images [00:34] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [00:34] and i want to press the arrow keys to go through them [00:34] also, why isn't my cron log readable as a user [00:34] rworkman has ristretto available in package form for both slackware32 and slackware64 [00:34] solid as a rock [00:35] ah, thanks, Delahunt [00:35] fhobia: is the arrow keys thing a requirement? [00:35] cryptic0: write yourself a script /home/me/crontest that just does a "touch /tmp/cron_works" and set a crontab entry to run it [00:35] display + spacebar [00:35] sitwon: ok, i'll give it a shot [00:35] Urchlay: great idea, thanks. let me try [00:35] i don't think (if you have slackware/slack64 fully installed) that you will need any dependencies [00:36] (i.e. they will all be fulfilled) [00:36] heh, the spacebar is easier to use when you're uhhh, browsing images with one hand [00:36] lol [00:36] Guest98261 (n=edson@189.38.224.80) joined ##slackware. [00:36] yeah, you can use your feet to hit the spacebar [00:36] do like the old lady and use the mouse as a footpedal [00:37] Action: Delahunt stabs Urchlay [00:37] watch the callouses....might send the pictures the wrong place...:D [00:38] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Guest98261 (n=edson@189.38.224.80) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [00:38] Urchlay: yes, that worked. crontab is working. so something must be wrong with my runstructure file [00:40] what is runstructure? a (shell|perl|python|whatever) script that you can easily edit? you might stick "date > /tmp/runstructure_date" at the top (if it's a shell script) [00:40] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] a simple 1 line script that tells the cron to run a program [00:42] cryptic0: then why didn't you put that one line in the crontab entry? [00:42] seems like you're adding unnecessary complexity [00:42] thats true. why didnt I? [00:42] let me think... [00:43] I am baffled. thats what I should do. [00:44] one more question: when cron runs a particular process, what user will that process belong to? in short, how do I find out if cron started that process or not [00:44] It will belong to the user whose crontab it was invoked from [00:44] whatever cron runs as, if i remember correctly [00:45] (sorry i was thinking of the global cron entries in /etc/cron.whatever/*) [00:45] cryptic0: you also need to see /usr/doc/dcron-*/README [00:46] rworkman: thanks. will do. [00:46] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Just out of curiosity, why don't my plasma themes change window titlebars and borders? [00:47] neconide, what do you mean? are we speaking of titlebars and borders on non-qt applications? [00:47] I'm just wondering if it's a plasma error or if that has to be done manually. [00:47] Delahunt, even on normal system apps. [00:47] neconide: No, no error, that's how it is. [00:48] fire|bird, why? and then why do all the plasma themes on www.kde-look.org have custom borders etc [00:48] no clue [00:48] Delahunt, you've never changed your theme? [00:48] Meh, I'm a tweaker, I can't use KDE if I can't fully customize it. >_< [00:49] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [00:49] i never run kde 8-) [00:49] Action: Delahunt is an Xfce freak [00:49] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:49] Action: neconide is a gnome freak. [00:49] the whole non-qt comment was that maybe you needed that one add-on which forces gtk apps to use qt themes [00:49] Action: fhobia compiles ristretto [00:49] fhobia, why? rworkman has it available as a package! [00:49] plasma is irrelevant to window looks [00:49] I'm only using the KDE version of 13.0 x86_64 because gware hasn't released the gnome version yt [00:49] yet* [00:50] Delahunt: because its accessible in sbopkg and i'm lazy [00:50] lol [00:50] ...that lazy [00:50] lazy is compiling a package? [00:50] rather than downloading and running installpkg [00:50] wow is today opposite day? 8-) [00:50] Well, I'm used to compiz, metacity, and gnome. so I have no idea whats going on. lol [00:50] 8)))) [00:50] ewww gnome [00:51] FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu [00:51] neconide: Well, that's how KDE made it, that's the default Oxygen window decorations. Some, such as on kde-look.org, use different window decoration engines, KDE Menu ---> System Settings ---> Appearance ---> Windows. If you want, you can check out aurorae, it is a window decoration engine designed to make window decorations as themable as plasma, and will possibly be included in KDE 4.4, kde-look.org has some aurorae window decoration th [00:51] neconide: rofl [00:51] so download, download, mv, nano .SlackBuild, run, wait, installpkg is easier? 8-) [00:51] going to all these xfce apps since kde4 sucks so bad [00:51] yeah whoever on the qt/kde team decided that it was stable enough for release as a stable version scheme needs to be tarred and feathered [00:52] fire|bird, what a dumb idea. "Hey guys, lets let these people only use the default theme window decorations because we're too fucking lazy to impliment a decent engine for it" [00:52] much less whatever build engine they have for compiling seems to disregard your global environment options [00:52] neconide: I can't say I disagree, but that will change, and there are some other engines included to switch to, older style/look. [00:53] like metacity doesn't have its own issues [00:53] metacity for a LONG time had issues [00:54] Well, this is my first time using slackware, and since Google has minimal user-built documentation on it (forum posts, etc) it's hard to find my way around the customization and such. [00:54] kevinw (n=kevinw@cpe-68-206-172-239.hot.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:54] the surf is so big right now i can hear it [00:54] I mean everything else I've had to do myself (like get audio working, alsa ftl) was a fun challenge, but customization is something I like to have on-demand. [00:55] surf porn http://cdip.ucsd.edu/?nav=recent&sub=nowcast&xitem=socal_now [00:55] I'm a little tired of it because I've spent the whole day tweaking the system. [00:55] don't worry you'll get numb from all the pain [00:55] thats how i got used to it [00:55] hahahah [00:55] 8))) [00:56] then after a while its like you know whats going on [00:56] neconide, we don't depend on Google documentation [00:56] there is the slack book and /usr/doc/* [00:57] Configure it once and then keep it updated for security issues and new best practices. It will live as long as you do. [00:57] however, there are also articles on the web, true, just that the typical Slackware user doesn't necessarily use Google forums [00:57] there is linuxquestions.org though, lots of Slackers tend to be on there [00:57] Delahunt, I'm not going to read an entire book on slackware, I like to learn as I go along. and I won't be using slackware for more than a month. I'm going from OS to OS [00:57] oh man, you might as well pack up your gear now then [00:57] you're an OS whore [00:57] Delahunt, I mean forum posts for Google search results. Google doesn't have any forums. [00:57] it's fun [00:57] try weird ones [00:57] slackware is not a distro you have a fling with [00:57] I can't believe why my cronjob is still not working. and I still suspect that it is perhaps running in the background and I don't know how to find it. [00:58] get a good batch of strange nix [00:58] cryptic0, when you forked it, it told you the PID [00:58] Dr Strange Nix [00:58] Nick change: antiwire -> DrStrangeNix [00:58] lol,antiwire [00:58] You all saw how it happened. [00:58] you'll be an apt-gettin pacman-playing emerging machine [00:58] neconide: I have been trying ps -u me | grep structure (structure is the program that is supposed to be running) [00:58] I get nothing [00:59] then realize its all crap [00:59] cryptic0, killall structure? [00:59] what would that do? [00:59] slackbuilds 4 lyfe [00:59] kill any process named structure [00:59] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left ##slackware. [01:00] neconide: killall structure. no process killed [01:00] fire|bird, Delahunt, fhobia, look at this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Yanomami?content=118041 [01:00] it's a plasma theme and it has custom borders. That's what puzzles me. [01:00] the structure program will run when I execute it by hand, but not through cron. [01:01] ok, it's a theme [01:01] rworkman: is it possible cron is not running it under my username, because I am only logged in through ssh? [01:01] cryptic0: ps would still show it [01:02] ps only shows bash and ps [01:02] and why isn't there a lot for crond? [01:02] :\ [01:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:02] neconide: looks nice [01:02] cryptic0: what about "ps aux" ? [01:02] fhobia, I know, I want it. -_- [01:02] sometimes you just gotta ps aux | grep me [01:02] yup [01:03] fhobia, any idea how I would get those custom borders and such up and running? [01:03] nope, i'm not familiar with kde, neconide [01:03] Reticenti: still nothing [01:03] barrel of the year http://www.surfline.com/surflinetv/sixty-seconds/dave-rastovichs-monster-barrel_39380 [01:03] cryptic0: ps aux only shows bash and ps ? [01:03] Reticenti: yes [01:04] and ps aux [01:04] are you ssh'd into a webserver you rent? [01:04] because ps aux should show every process on the machine [01:04] no, into my desktop that sits in another room. [01:04] fire|bird, do you have a clue? [01:04] neconide: That is a plasma theme, and those aren't considered windows, therefore they aren't window borders. [01:04] oh ps aux shows lots of processes [01:05] oh [01:05] ps aux | grep me shows only those three [01:05] Those are plasmoids, the plamsa theme you set affects plasmoids. [01:05] but the process I am looking for is still notn listed in ps aux [01:05] fire|bird, alrighttttt. [01:05] cryptic0: what about "ps aux | grep structure" ? [01:05] grep structure [01:05] is crond running? [01:05] yeah [01:06] 2819 ? 00:00:00 crond [01:06] and you did "crontab -e cryptic0" ? [01:06] and put in your cron job in there? [01:06] (assuming cryptic0 is the user name you want) [01:06] (and you'll need to su/sudo for that) [01:06] Reticenti: 55 23 08 01 05 /home/cryptic0/waxwing/Work/scisoft/Structure231/structure2.3.1_console/structure [01:07] aurorae is what I'm going to go install [01:07] Reticenti: why do I have to su? [01:07] also supposedly you can't have pixelmap themes in KDE? what's that about [01:07] holy snap, you can urxvt make your links clickable !? [01:07] cryptic0: i'm pretty sure you cant run crontab as non root [01:08] Reticenti: I was able to, when I did a simple test [01:08] I asked it to touch /tmp/crontab-works and it did [01:08] ok [01:08] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [01:09] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.221.199) joined ##slackware. [01:09] if there is a problem, why isn't crond listing it at /var/log/cron [01:09] cryptic0: also, that's going to run every january first, and every friday at 2355 [01:10] no january 8th [01:10] cryptic0: show me the script you're trying to run? [01:11] rworkman: structure is the name of the program, it does 40000 iterations to figure out if there is non-random mating in a population. [01:11] cryptic0: does structure have a --verbose setting? [01:11] if so, have it run it, and see if it's logging the output [01:11] and possibly change it to * * * * * [01:11] Channel flood from Reticenti -- kicking [01:11] jsut for testing [01:11] Reticenti kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:11] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:11] oops Reticenti [01:12] :\ [01:12] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:12] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Client Quit [01:12] Reticenti: shame on you. You FAIL. :P [01:12] Reticenti: to answer your q, structure it verbose by itself, no special --verbose option on it [01:12] cryptic0: does that program depend on any environment variables being set? [01:12] indeed :( [01:12] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.144.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] rworkman: I dont think, because I normally just run it by hand by typing: structure [01:13] cryptic0: first of all, kill crond, then edit /etc/rc.d/rc.M and change the crond startup line to use "-l8" instead of "-l10" [01:13] cryptic0: but you do that in a terminal, which has environment variables alraedy set [01:13] right [01:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-229-20.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:13] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:13] cryptic0: then try again, being sure not to redirect any of the structure stdout or stderr [01:14] rworkman: Reticenti you guys may be right. I always run it through a terminal. so perhaps the program can't run without a terminal. that would be a major bummer though. [01:14] rworkman: what does -l8 vs l10 do? [01:14] and *then* there should be something in the logs :) [01:14] Reticenti: ^ [01:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] It probably doesn't need a *terminal* - just some other stuff set in the env. dcron is very clear about that in /usr/doc/dcron-*/README [01:15] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-17-118.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:15] cryptic0: if all else fails, you could make a simple script daemon [01:16] You could do a brute force hack and make a wrapper script to launch structure (use "exec" in the scripot so that a new process isn't spawned); put ". /etc/profile" into your wrapper and then "exec structure" [01:16] Hi [01:17] im having some problems in order to access 127.0.0.1:631 which is cups configuration [01:17] hey acidtripper [01:17] Reticenti: how are you man? [01:17] i hace cups daemon running [01:17] pretty good [01:17] have* [01:18] Reticenti: were you from Brasil? [01:18] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] acidtripper: nope [01:18] rworkman: ok, now the crond is running with l8 instead of l10, let's see if that changes anything [01:19] i'm from the good ol' US of A [01:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Reticenti: true ;) [01:19] do you have any idea about cups? [01:19] If I make a hard link, and then delete that hard link, will the original file be deleted as well? [01:19] maybe i dont have hosts well configured [01:19] acidtripper: i've used it once, and it setup flawlessy, so not really [01:19] byteframe: no [01:20] rworkman, ok thanks. [01:20] fire|bird, can I borrow you for a second [01:20] If you edit the link, the original file will be modified though :) [01:20] same with a symlink too right? [01:21] yes, in that respect [01:21] Delahunt, can I borrow you for a second [01:21] does anyone here havea good ps1 for zsh root user? [01:21] A hard link creates a direntry as a "pointer" to the inode of the link target. You can then remove either file, and the other one still points to the inode. [01:22] A soft link creates a "shortcut" to the link target. If you remove the link target, then the symlink is useless. [01:22] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:23] rworkman, that's what I hoped hard links did. All good. [01:23] :) [01:23] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:23] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] neconide: If you want to go quite a different theme route, try bespin: http://omploader.org/vMzdiNA [01:24] As I understand pointers in C (which is anybody's guess), they're very similar to filesystem hardlinks. If you don't free all pointers to a mem address, then the memory is still claimed (hence a mem leak). If you don't free (remove) all hardlinks, then the inode is still claimed. [01:26] Anyway, afk for a bit [01:29] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [01:29] neconide, what do you need? [01:32] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-158-131.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:35] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:36] someone ever had problem when shutdown ? i cant see pty when i press shutdown button on xfce, only black screen [01:36] im using hal and ck for shutdown as user [01:37] i had similar problem with nvidia binary driver [01:37] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] acidtripper: i used to have that problem [01:37] tank-man: how did you solve it? [01:37] Reticenti: how did you solve it? im using intel card [01:37] acidtripper: ssh in, su, telinit 4, telinit 3 [01:37] with 2.9.1 drivers [01:37] just didnt go back to the console, just stayed in gui :) [01:38] lol the problem is when i shutdown from xfce i cant see console only black screen. it shutdown but i cant see output [01:38] acidtripper: i never did find a fix for it, only a solution to get the computer back [01:38] ah [01:38] it always happened to me when i killed X [01:39] so i could still ssh in [01:40] mm, all is working fine here, the only thing is that shutdown doesn't show anything if i doit from X [01:40] using hal [01:40] couse if i do reboot or halt from console all goes fine [01:41] just wondering, are you also using the nvidia binary driver? [01:41] i am [01:41] a reinstall has seemed to fix it for some reason though [01:43] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.194.1) joined ##slackware. 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[01:54] bleah, electric heater tripped breaker [01:55] turns out my UPS batteries are dead, too [01:55] and of course this waits to happen at 2am when after its snowed [01:56] i had a server that was running for years lose a power supply on the 2nd day of my xmas vacation [01:57] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-74-47-114-207-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:57] well it's my fault for trying to run 2 electric heaters at once [01:57] the little one doesn't heat the room fast enough, the big one does but it sounds like a freight train [01:57] shouldn't they have their own circuits [01:57] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] eh, this is a bedroom that's built onto the side of a (formerly) mobile home [01:58] I'm lucky the floor doesn't collapse and the ceiling doesn't leak [01:58] hehe [01:58] maybe theres another breaker you could put it on [01:58] there's central heat, but no vent in this room [01:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-207-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:58] not with an extension cord [01:58] doh, thats something to be fixed [01:59] would have to be with an extension cord, there are only 3 outlets in here and they're all on the same circuit [01:59] yeah, an extension cord would be just as hazardous [01:59] I know it [02:01] well, on the bright side, I'll go ahead & do some maintenance stuff I've been putting off for a while because it would involve killing firefox + its 20-odd tabs [02:01] (actually stuff that will involve a reboot: I need to convert my / filesystem to ext3) [02:02] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-3-51.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:02] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:02] i wouldn't if you're also using a raid [02:02] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [02:02] bad things happen when they both try to reconstruct [02:04] Delahunt (n=robert@fd213-235.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] naw, the target partition is a spare one that isn't part of a RAID and isn't normally even mounted (it's my former slamd64 10.2 root partition, I can flatten it) [02:04] if it didn't try to fix the fs until after the array is restored there would be no issue, but they both try to do it initially and they start from opposite ends of the volume [02:04] wait, are you saying "don't ever use ext3 on software RAID"? [02:05] yes [02:05] especially raid 5 or 6 [02:05] eh, I've been running reiserfs 3 on software RAID for eons with no real problems, surely ext3 would be as safe or safer? [02:05] no, i use reiserfs [02:05] nah, root partition is RAID-1, never 5 or 6 [02:06] raid1 isn't as much an issue, but contention issues are still there [02:06] the journal is going to start working from the end of the volume, while the raid will start from the beginning [02:07] so the journal can come across incorrect/inconsistent data and go haywire [02:08] reiserfs has been very good in recovering from ungraceful shutdowns, makes me wonder why its fallen out of vogue [02:08] i mean besides the murder thing [02:10] well, I'm getting errors in the log telling me I need to fsck, and I'm kinda scared of reiserfsck... and there are files that show up with ??? for the owner/permissions [02:11] so the plan is to create a fresh fs, cp -a everything over there, set up lilo to mount it as root [02:11] you have enough space to dd the drive and then work on the copy? [02:11] was thinking I'd use ext3 this time around [02:11] I do [02:11] oh heck ya, links are clickable in my rxvt-unicode terminals now [02:11] this is so awesomeeeee [02:11] I kinda had in mind starting from scratch, it's been years since this partition was created [02:12] maybe try ext4 [02:12] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [02:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [02:12] but i'd stay away from ext3, its just not sophisticated enough [02:14] you know, speaking of heat, i was reading on slashdot the other day how this one computer lab is now freezing cold in the winter ever since they switched from crts to lcds [02:14] the old monitors threw off so much heat, they had the heating turned off [02:16] wait, Skywise, you're saying DONT use ext3? [02:16] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:16] on a raid partition [02:16] by itself, its fine [02:16] ah, ok [02:17] diogenes323 (n=diogenes@99.141.121.246) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:29] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-153.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Let it be known [02:29] I have the most amazing theme ever. EVER. [02:30] Init5 (n=gogo@79.138.174.227.bredband.oister.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:35] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-153.no.no.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:37] does anyone want to give me their x86_64 libgstfarsight [02:37] gnomeslackbuild fucked up pidgin. [02:39] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-151-211.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] hiatus (n=hiatus@7.sub-97-166-98.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] eh, I dunno, I used to run a 500GB RAID5 partition with an ext3 fs on it, never had a lick of trouble until the day 2 drives died at once (which is of course death for RAID-5) [02:41] What's the point of raid setups at any rate? [02:42] hiatus: in raid-5, if one drive dies, you don't lose any data (but you better replace it quick, cause you lose all the data if a 2nd drive dies) [02:42] with raid-1, think of it as having 2 copies of all the data [02:42] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:43] raid-0 isn't really RAID (no redundancy), and I wouldn't recommend anyone use it [02:43] Wouldn't you know how many nodes are bad in your drive via simple diagonistics? [02:44] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:44] sure [02:45] but if you've got bad sectors on a non-raid partition, the data in those sectors is gone by the time you know they're bad [02:46] I see, I see [02:46] (although SMART lets you find out that the drive is about to die before it does, which is handy) [02:46] I suposse that would be very handy for servers as well [02:49] I doubt I will ever need to set one up. I think I can risk possibly losing pictures of cats jumping in boxes [02:49] basically, all hard drives are doomed to fail some day. RAID is a strategy for dealing with that (it's *not* a replacement for making backups, which is another strategy) [02:53] I do online backups for projects, that's about it [02:53] i live life on the edge [02:53] no backups [02:54] i dont have any projects though [02:54] I live life cheaply, so no backups of anything I can just download again [02:54] yup [02:55] It does sound useful for servers though, losing other peoples information can cause havok [02:57] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:00] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:02] <^kleanchap> How do I enable FTP server temporarily on my laptop? [03:03] run a server and then open up the port its listening on to the client [03:04] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] the dead-simplest way is probably to edit /etc/inetd.conf, uncomment the line for whichever ftp server slackware uses these days, and 'killall -HUP inetd' [03:04] <^kleanchap> thnx [03:04] (er, assuming inetd is in fact running. If not, run it) [03:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-118.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:05] DrStrangeNix (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:05] ncftpd has a sane default config and allows 3 connections for free [03:05] for free? what, you have to pay for more? [03:06] yeah, you need a license for more then 3 concurrent connections [03:06] he probably wants to use something he's already got installed though [03:06] if i remember, he installed everything [03:07] oh, ncftpd actually comes with slack? [03:07] i think so [03:08] I have a full install & I don't have it (I do have the client, ncftp) [03:08] but an ftp server needs to be properly sandboxed or you can make a mess of your fs [03:08] ok [03:08] i thought it did both [03:08] heck, maybe it does, I haven't ever actually used it :) [03:09] dude, you got me listening to all my old cds, and i'm ripping them now [03:09] i'm listening to spyro gyra - carnival now [03:10] :) [03:10] I only vaguely know anything about spyro gyra [03:10] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] heard them, but it was 20+ years ago and back then I was pretty limited (only liked metal) [03:10] yeah, old schools, had their heyday in the early 80s [03:10] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Init5 (n=gogo@79.138.174.227.bredband.oister.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] ah, crap. I had 365MB free on the reiserfs partition, created an ext3fs on the same sized partition, cp'ed everything over, the ext3 has less than 1MB free [03:19] journal must be bigger, and ext3 doesn't do tail-packing for small files, does it? [03:20] er, doesn't to tail-packing at all I guess [03:20] can you grow the new partition? [03:20] nope [03:21] no place for it to expand to (and these are regular ol' partitions, not LVM volumes or anything) [03:21] I could split another partition out of this extra-redundant raid-1 [03:22] it used to be a raid-1 with 5 partitions, now it has 4 (the new ext3 partition used to be part of the RAID-1, not any more) [03:22] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:22] and yeah, I realize 5 partitions for raid-1 is overkill. [03:24] <^kleanchap> I used alienBob's script to download the slackware-current. It worked but has iso images for three CD's. How do I create a single DVD image? I want to install Slackware using the thumb drive. [03:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] I think if you read the script, the comments in there tell you how to make a DVD instead [03:26] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [03:27] <^kleanchap> Urchlay, Thnx. [03:28] I dunno whether that script will help you boot from a thumb drive instead of a DVD though [03:31] <^kleanchap> I am going to try to cp the image onto the usb image drive and see if that will work. [03:32] Init5 (n=gogo@79.138.162.175.bredband.oister.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:32] join #ubuntu [03:32] sry [03:32] bad type [03:33] hiatus (n=hiatus@7.sub-97-166-98.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] ^kleanchap: doubt that [03:38] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:38] <^kleanchap> I thought about it....I will write the DVD iso to the thumb drive and take it from there. You right. Still rsyncing.... [03:40] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:46] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [03:47] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC31155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:48] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC31155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] ok, so, does anyone remember how to find out what your real root device is, when it's mounted as /dev/root? [03:53] oh, nm, it's a symlink now [03:54] (it wasn't, a while back when I was trying to do this) [03:59] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[04:35] Action: paul424 starts singing to get your attention [04:36] Action: paul424 dances [04:37] ChArLoK_16 (i=42c62914@gateway/web/freenode/x-maloizxouxaghmpe) left irc: [04:37] Action: paul424 juggles [04:41] alreadygone (n=chatzill@59.103.208.182) joined ##slackware. [04:41] you don't have to reboot all the time for that. logging out and in is enough [04:42] on the other hand i can't say what went wrong with your profile setting. [04:42] Action: paul424 stops dancing [04:42] Is there a way to determine where does particular assigment to the ENV variable does come from ? [04:42] upps to many does [04:43] Is anyone running LXDE on Slackware + Open Office? [04:43] I want to know the performance of LXDE with Open Office. [04:44] i cant see what lxde would do on the performance of openoffice. [04:45] paul424: maybe you have a different setting already in .bashrc or .bash_profile [04:46] dballator (n=dballato@ANice-751-1-20-139.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] cteg: I don;lt have them [04:50] amason6 (n=amason6@adsl-75-24-144-243.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:50] Wertik (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Wertik (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] paul424: do you have standard slackware packages installed? .... you could also have jre.sh as well as the jdk.sh [04:55] WildWizard: yes, thanks I already noticed and just modified :) [04:55] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [04:56] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:57] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:57] what is the bet he is rebooting when all he has to do is log out and back in [04:57] speak of the devil [04:58] hmmm ? I just relogged now. [05:00] your previous message indicated you rebooted when you changed it [05:01] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [05:01] yeah yeah, I a bit smarter now. [05:01] s/I/I am [05:02] still the netbeans does not see the javac, I get the error JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/java , although under console I get echo $JAVA_HOME > /usr/lib/java/bin [05:03] does it start with a script? that could set it again [05:05] You need jdk [05:05] (from /extra) [05:05] javac is the java compiler. It's in the java development kit (jdk), not the runtime env (jre) [05:07] rob since he mentioned editing jdk.sh I'm running on the assumption that it is installed since that is where it comes from [05:07] Decent assumption [05:07] an assumtion none the less [05:07] (I didn't read scrollback) [05:08] I HAVE the JDK installed [05:08] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host32-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:08] next question that should be asked is why did you need to change the default scripts ? [05:09] yeah its trulyu a script, but it does not change the JAVA_HOME. NOw I ;m thinking what should I reinstall [05:09] paul424: does "which javac" return anything? [05:09] Err because when I wanted to do Build under netbeans I get the error I described. [05:10] which: no javac in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin) [05:11] PATH isn't correct [05:11] ls -l /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh [05:15] rworkman: yeah , err I had the JAVA_HOME set to /usr/lib/java in both jdk.sh and jre.sh but netbeans gave an error since its not the true path of that compiler. After chaning the variable in both config files I get the same error in netbeans. uhh.... [05:15] to quickly state my problem. [05:17] Reinstall the jdk package, then do ". /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh" and try again. [05:17] ok [05:17] If you think you have to edit one of the profile scripts to make a PATH correct, it's almost a statistical certainly that YDIW. [05:18] aha nobody told me. [05:18] You didn't ask. ;-) [05:19] All kidding aside, it's called "experience" - that quasi-mythical entity that always arrives just after you need it. [05:20] like a death row pardon two minutes too late [05:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [05:21] It's like rain on your wedding day [05:21] Am I weird for thinking she's cute? [05:21] heh - shoot us now! [05:22] nah, she's in the cute category [05:23] Good :) [05:23] in a carly simon sort of way [05:23] I think it's because she reminds me of a college fling [05:24] You know, the "we hang out and genuinely like each other's company and occasionally things get heated but it's not going anywhere long term" type... :) [05:25] She and her boyfriend were both killed in 2002 :/ Walking home from a party (college town) and hit by a drunk driver [05:25] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [05:26] eek, that's terrible news. that's why drunk driving should receive the max penalty... [05:27] Yeah, it sucked. Even so, I don't think drunk driving is any more criminal than sleepy driving. If nobody is harmed, then who's the victim? [05:28] If you hit and kill two people who aren't walking in the roadway, then it shouldn't matter if and/or how impaired you were. [05:28] In other news, I lost my Blackberry today :/ [05:28] And my microsd card for it arrives tomorrow. [05:29] Well, at this point, change that to "yesterday" and "today" [05:29] call it, maybe a good samaritan has it [05:29] 0429 localtime :/ [05:29] Battery's dead or it's switched off. [05:29] rworkman: that does not work, eerr should I reinstall the netbeans ? [05:30] paul424: I honestly don't know; possibly. I don't know beans about netbeans. [05:31] I have to attend a school function this evening, and dinner before that, and go get a new phone before that, so I guess I should go find the bed. [05:31] Good luck and g'night [05:31] Zordrak (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:32] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Zordrak (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[05:48] the install media ought to have the slackware user's handbook on it [05:49] I admit, I haven't read too much of that one yet. [05:49] would that be wmconfig or xwmconfig though? [05:50] xwmconfig [05:50] thx [05:50] Zordrak__ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:54] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.130.18) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Zordrak (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:56] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [06:03] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] OK, fire|bird, Delahunt, I was confused before, but now I'm just blasted. I tested this twice. If I boot into windows, after booting into linux, my sound is muted. If I unmute my sound, reboot into windows, it won't be muted. [06:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [06:04] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.70.248) joined ##slackware. [06:04] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-151-211.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:05] probably just a sound card fluke [06:05] not really a big deal [06:05] Delahunt: yeah, but I would love to know exactly why. I'm that kind of guy. I don't want to just know that something works, I want to know how it works. [06:06] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.194.1) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [06:10] alreadygone (n=chatzill@59.103.208.182) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:10] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[06:37] hey what do you all do when you get bored? me, I get out nmap and explore [06:38] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.30.172) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:38] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:40] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.8.168) joined ##slackware. [06:42] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:47] is Pat more smarter than kasparov ? [06:47] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.234.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:54] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Hi [07:01] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:04] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. 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[08:10] how possible/difficult would it be to have a slackware box connect to 2 separate networks at the same time, lets say one wired and one wifi, and shunt all traffic over a specified port range to use on NIC and the rest go through the other [08:12] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:21] hello :0 [08:21] :) [08:22] can you tell me in which package libIlmImf.so.6 can be found ? [08:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:27] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:27] mac-: openexr [08:27] Fenix-Dark: the two networks use two different IP subnets? [08:28] hi Camarade_Tux [08:28] :) [08:28] thx [08:29] neconide: wrt your sound, nowadays, hardware support troubles in linux are often related to waking up/putting to sleep the device [08:30] neconide: you might want to check the alsa bugs though and maybe report your problem, which card btw? is it a recent one? [08:30] mac-: np :-) [08:30] Camarade_Tux: it's an onboard audio chip set. It works fine onboard, but doesn't work in 2.1 or 5.1 [08:31] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.119) left irc: "Leaving" [08:34] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:34] neconide: are all channels muted or only a few? [08:35] Camarade_Tux: speaker-test doesn't do anything with 0,1 -c2 or surround50 (or 51, 41, 40, 60, 61, 71) 0,1 -c6 [08:35] but with normal onboard audio I can hear the fuzzing fine [08:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [08:37] what is your card? [08:38] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Any wifi maniac in here? [08:40] antiwire? [08:41] t [08:41] bah [08:42] deximat: just as [08:42] ask* [08:43] Camarade_Tux: nothing? :\ [08:43] Camarade_Tux: oh, its a realtek chipset [08:43] Camarade_Tux: pretty sure at least, I have an ASUS G60VX gaming series laptop [08:43] filesmasta (n=filesmas@92.1.247.78) joined ##slackware. [08:43] New Torrent Search @ http://TorrentPirates.org [08:44] filesmasta (n=filesmas@92.1.247.78) left irc: Client Quit [08:44] neconide: you seemed to mention two different cards [08:44] Camarade_Tux: No. [08:44] Camarade_Tux: It supports 2.0-7.1 [08:44] and what does alsamixer say? [08:45] I have ath5k wireless card, yesterday I was trying to make it work with macavity for 2h, we didnt make it, it is issuing unespectedly it works for a copule of minutes or till reboot.... and then it doesnt, I have no idea what to do.... [08:45] Camarade_Tux: It's just a matter of setting what output channels/line you want to use. [08:45] Camarade_Tux: It's the normal mixer... What are you asking for specifically? [08:45] deximat: checked the output of dmesg? [08:45] Camarade_Tux: Just really annoying because I got my new skullcandy headset and I can't even use it. [08:45] neconide: the "chop line" [08:45] bah, the "chip line" [08:46] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Camarade_Tux, yeh... a lot of shit... about wlan0 [08:46] neconide: also, I was under the impression you could have it work sometimes, when? [08:46] deximat: pastebin it and give us the link [08:46] Camarade_Tux: It works fine when I'm using the built-in speakers, aka onboard audio [08:46] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: "Leaving." [08:46] Camarade_Tux: and it's picking up the chipset fine. [08:47] Camarade_Tux: otherwise onboard audio wouldn't work ;] [08:47] Camarade_Tux, later... I have to find something to transfer files on this pc [08:48] Camarade_Tux: When something is plugged into the speaker/headphone jack, there's no longer audio. So it's not a matter of whether or not it realizes a device is present. [08:48] built-in speakers? you're on a laptop? and if you don't have a dedicated card, everything comes from the onboard card... [08:48] Camarade_Tux: All I know is that it's realtek, I searched Google for hours trying to find sound specs for it. [08:49] Camarade_Tux: yes gaming laptops have built-in speakers. [08:49] neconide: alsamixer tells you the model, which one is it? [08:49] Camarade_Tux: mine actually has a 5" subwoofer on the bottom. [08:49] Camarade_Tux: though it doesn't do anything, it's just for show :\ [08:50] Camarade_Tux: I'm not even in slackware atm, I'm on a livecd. [08:50] Camarade_Tux: What I'm more concerned about is libgtfsfarlight or something. [08:50] Camarade_Tux: pidgin says that it's missing it every time I try to run it. [08:51] Camarade_Tux: libtgsfarlight0.so.0 is what I think it's requesting. Something along the lines of that. [08:52] neconide: this lib isn't in slackware afaik, or it's local to pidgin, meaning you can try to reinstall this package [08:53] Looks like you are running non-Slackware packages neconide - we can not help you with that [08:53] What livecd is that? [08:54] well, gotta go, be back later, well, if I don't die because of the snow or ice in the streets [08:54] alienBOB: Actually [08:54] I'm getting it from the official repository with slapt-get [08:54] no matter how many times i clean, uninstall, and install it again, it doesn't get the dependancy [08:55] I wound up compiling it from source, with ./configure --disable-vv --disable-nm [08:55] It looked like it would work, but for whatever reason it still didn't. [08:55] crazy-mind (n=crazy-mi@115.75.16.190) joined ##slackware. [08:56] I know that's what allows pidgin to have audio/video, which I don't even need. However, even when compiling from source and disabling audio and video, it still wants it [08:57] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Excuse my repetativeness alienBOB and Camarade_Tux, I pulled an all-nighter working on some Perl stuff. [08:58] then compile the dep [08:58] Using slapt-get means you have little chance in finding help here [08:58] or submit a patch upstream [08:58] neconide: my guess is that your slapt-get is not using Slackware as the mirror... you have some 3rd party repository that adds farlight as a dependency to pidgin [08:59] alienBOB, nope, I checked my config file twice. [08:59] alienBOB: it's ftp.slackware.com/whatever [08:59] neconide: you are not really allowed to use ftp.slackware.com as a mirror... that site is only meant as the master server for all tie other Inernet mirrors [09:00] I also have a small suspicion that it has something to do with the fact that I'm using 13.0 x86_64 [09:00] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.234.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:00] neconide: and I am telling you that if you are getting a pidgin with farlight dependency, you are not getting it from Slackware [09:00] alienBOB: yeah, I accidently screwed up my pidgin install and just used slapt-get. [09:01] alienBOB: but even disable a/v when compiling from source didn't work, so I'm just a tiny bit puzzled. [09:01] I love how I say something and then realize how much sense it made (about 0%) a few moments later. Sleep deprevation is lame. [09:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] A perfect example is 5 lines up. [09:07] finally cleaned up windows from here, gonna reboot make sure everythings okay then boot into slackware [09:07] brb [09:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [09:08] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] those that run -current ... the new kernels, that cause drives to change... does this mean my ide harddisk will become sda? [09:09] Yes [09:09] was there a libata change? [09:09] alienBOB: so I need to change all the fstab, lilo.conf, etc before I reboot, right? [09:09] Indeed [09:10] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:10] If you change lilo.conf you still have to run lilo [09:10] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] alienBOB: yup :) [09:10] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] StevenR: read http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [09:12] thanks [09:13] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] meh I'll figure the rest out tomorrow, for now, I have to go crash. [09:14] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [09:14] hey all [09:14] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] Immundus (n=obi@e179136254.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [09:26] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:26] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-237-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:26] hi there [09:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Ech (n=Me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. 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[10:01] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-129.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [10:09] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:12] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) left irc: "Leaving" [10:12] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [10:13] zhoun (n=guo@218.82.99.230) left irc: "‚»" [10:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [10:15] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [10:16] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] Hi i reinstalled both jre and jdk packages. NOw when typing java I get : bash: java: command not found [10:17] err what to do ? [10:17] Nick change: Ech -> echoes [10:17] paul424: you need to log out and log in [10:18] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [10:18] Patero-ng (n=no@174-23-33-43.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] hello guys [10:19] I have a slackware 12 or 13 but am running on root all the time to do my utubing and my teamspeaking and all applicaionts and thigns [10:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:19] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:19] I wonder is I can get hacked easily [10:20] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:20] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [10:20] WarCriminal (n=IceChat7@124.43.36.63) joined ##slackware. [10:20] yes [10:20] but [10:20] when I useradd [10:20] well, you don't get hacked more easily but if you get, the consequences are worse [10:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] and try to startx it says can't move log.old [10:20] and can't go gui [10:20] what can I do it drives me crazy [10:21] that shows you how poor you in you're linux kernel programming knowledge [10:21] why can't you "go gui"? what do you try? what does it say? any error? [10:21] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [10:21] can't move some log [10:22] to log.old [10:22] so I alwasy login as root all the thyme [10:22] /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [10:22] exactly [10:22] You got it [10:22] and how do you try to start X? startx or something else? [10:22] Sounds like your user account is screwed up from running as root. [10:23] ... [10:23] yes startx [10:24] I have other questions but in the mean I want to do this [10:24] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Petero-ng: you should read and underestand startx shell script [10:24] that will slove your problem [10:24] as root, try 'rm /var/log/Xorg.0.log*', then try to start and quit X a few times [10:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Action: WarCriminal likes to see his /var/log/Xorg.0.log* [10:25] what do u mean quit x [10:25] oh get out of cgi [10:25] killall X [10:26] that's how you quit [10:26] X [10:26] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:27] I do logout [10:27] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.145.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:27] is it the same [10:27] Patero-ng: running the command I gave you should solve this problem but i'm not sure if it'll work more than once, it's only to check it's effective [10:28] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:29] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.203) joined ##slackware. [10:30] now it says that it can't open that log [10:30] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:30] but still can't go to x [10:31] WarCriminal (n=IceChat7@124.43.36.63) left irc: Excess Flood [10:32] WarCriminal (n=IceChat7@124.43.36.63) joined ##slackware. [10:32] how did you create the user? [10:34] Patero-ng (n=no@174-23-33-43.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [10:34] useradd [10:34] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:34] that's more childish newbie questions [10:35] Did people quit reading the Slackbook? [10:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Patero-ng (n=no@174-23-33-43.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hello [10:36] 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Multiprotocol MAC/baseband processor (rev 01) [10:37] I created that account using the one that shows the wizard [10:37] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:37] how to register my nick [10:37] adduser [10:38] Patero-ng: Please read the Slackbook. [10:39] Camarade_Tux was asking *him*, not you ;) so that was not a childish newbie question [10:39] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [10:39] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:39] just for the records. [10:39] Patero-ng: adduser as Pig_Pen stated [10:39] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:39] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.203) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Patero-ng: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration [10:41] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-101-95.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:42] (for nick registration on freenode) [10:43] adduser or usaradd [10:43] cuz one only ask for my nick and pass other ask for other questions [10:43] Patero-ng: adduser [10:43] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:44] ok brb [10:45] any solution to kde 4.2.4 calender bug besides upgrade to -current? [10:45] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.24.96) joined ##slackware. [10:45] ok what's for user id [10:46] can I install slackware over the network? [10:46] I have an eeepc and want to install Slackware over the Internet. [10:47] Patero-ng: just press enter iirc, it'll default to a good value [10:47] and when asked for which groups to be in, press "up", and then enter [10:47] kleanchap: yes you can. [10:47] mrselfpwn, How? Where can I find the instructions? [10:47] kleanchap: yes, but over the internet isn't so great, better fetch everything locally [10:48] last time I installed slackware on a netbook, I booted on usb and installed from an external drive [10:48] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [10:48] ok after reinstalling jdk I get whereis javac an empty line [10:48] btw i still cannot get the netbeans working [10:49] kleanchap: do you have access or have someone who can access and boot the eeepc with a usb drive? [10:49] Patero-ng: are you sure you should run javac? I don't have it either but java aps are ok here (don't have the jdk though) [10:49] groups ios the key then [10:49] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [10:50] oops, not Patero-ng but paul424 [10:50] sorry [10:50] .... [10:50] u sacred me the jesus [10:50] scare [10:50] ;-) [10:50] hmm I need it to run netbeans [10:50] whaty do u I put on inital group [10:51] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.24.96) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] Patero-ng: users [10:51] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:51] wel;l, it needs it. [10:51] Patero-ng: then on the next option simply hit the up arrow to allow the other most common groups. [10:51] Patero-ng: press up, then return [10:52] but [10:52] when I press up nothing is seem [10:52] just the cursor [10:52] what od i put on addiitona groups [10:53] bah, sorry, just press return for "initial group" [10:53] up+return is next step [10:53] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] but whern I press up nothing shows [10:53] trhis is not ubuntu [10:53] ding ding ding! [10:54] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Immundus (n=obi@e179136254.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [10:54] for additional groups, press up [10:54] ... [10:54] up should show something [10:55] press your up key [10:55] and just hit enter blindly? [10:55] Patero-ng: Honestly you are making this more difficult than it is. Read the text it spits out. It basically walks you through the option. [10:55] dude [10:55] look [10:56] don't worry, Patero-ng, it is safe to hit enter [10:56] ... I already went thrut this funny wizard but that didn't solve my problem [10:56] then it would do the same thing [10:56] I aim for change [10:56] well, it should display a few groups [10:56] I wanna know what's the deal [10:56] when I create a usser it doesn't allow me to go x [10:57] did you do a full install/ [10:57] ? [10:57] but of course [10:57] I followe da guide [10:57] Yes, because he's in X as root. [10:57] it basically consisted of cpying everything from the cd [10:57] but from live and then lilo [10:57] I doidn't get the paritions [10:57] What do you mean you can't go X? After loging in as the user you should be able to type startx. [10:57] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.7) joined ##slackware. [10:57] so I did it all in 1 [10:58] live cd? [10:58] yes why [10:58] what live cd? [10:58] bt3 [10:58] ^^ [10:59] so you're not running Slackware? [10:59] that is ubuntu [10:59] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] How do I speed up Slackware? All I have open is this client, firefox and 3 xconsoles on a 2 GB ram. Now I am already into the swap memory. [10:59] no bt3 was slax [10:59] hey all [10:59] kleanchap you hould not be in swap (more than a modest bit that is usually allocated pro forma) [10:59] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:59] what does free -m say? [11:00] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Trying to install powertop with the SlackBuild, it says it wants me to enable kernel debugging and some other stuff, is that necessary? [11:00] mrselfpwn: is bt3 the newest one? If yes, then it's debianshit [11:00] pprkut: not bt4 is the latest. [11:00] no* [11:00] Mem: 2019 875 1144 [11:01] so you have 1144 MB free [11:01] Action: hitest hits his head against the kb:) lol:) [11:01] why you stressin' ? [11:01] mancha, true. It was a lot lower. [11:01] mrselfpwn: oh, yeah, just saw that. Sorry, my bad [11:01] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [11:02] NaCl: what says that? [11:02] powertop does [11:02] It wants CONFIG_TIMER_STATS [11:02] mancha: heh-heh, just realized I was offering slackware advice for some other weird-ass distro [11:03] hitest huh? [11:03] NaCl: yes, you need to rebuild the kernel [11:03] Patero-ng: Join #remote-exploit [11:03] Um, shouldn't that be documented somewhere? [11:03] Like in the README? [11:03] NaCl: necessary, no. it should show the wakeups without. anyway, with timer stats you will see rescheduling and hpet irqs all the time anyway [11:04] and firefox. [11:04] Patero-ng: and #slax [11:04] mancha: slackware advice for slax [11:04] oh :> [11:05] :) [11:05] mancha: he mistook something you said as being directed at him. :) [11:05] yeah, so for the confusion [11:05] sorry [11:05] cteg: doesn't show me wakeups [11:05] NaCl: avoid powertop. i'll make you hate the apps you love. ;) [11:06] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:06] oh really? couldnt remember. then build another kernel. [11:06] Action: NaCl does not want to make his own kernel again. :/ [11:06] i was under the impression i had that green/yellow/red status line before [11:06] it won't hurt... much [11:06] NaCl: if it doesn't display wakeups, it should tell you why and ask you to enable that in the kernel, awit a bit, it *really* doesn't say anything? [11:06] IIRC CONFIG_TIMER_STATS wasnt considered advised to enable in the kernels for some reason [11:06] actually, i'm kidding, nothing could be easier to do [11:07] in the Slackware kernels* [11:07] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] just add another boot image to lilo instead of overwriting the old one [11:07] then if the new doesn't work, its easy to go back [11:07] cteg: I have that [11:07] It's red [11:07] thats all you really need [11:08] I'm trying to bench my own application. :P [11:08] i have a powertop-enabled kernel, it doesn hurt. but you wont need it. [11:09] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] for example. conky doubles my wakeups, but you wont even see conky in the wakeup list [11:10] Mkman (n=tiago@bl7-1-252.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [11:10] huh [11:10] Ok, thanks. [11:10] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] good ole powertop, powertop tennessee [11:12] Shuren (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [11:13] lol [11:13] 10:25:44 < wardi> but, even as is it's a really nice interface [11:13] bah [11:13] Action: NaCl hides [11:15] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:18] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] cteg: here, conky is set to update every five seconds, changes almost nothing [11:20] (wor the number of wakeups would get really low ;p ) [11:20] even on five seconds its more then gkrellm on one seconds [11:21] -s [11:22] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [11:22] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] well, I can't say anything right now sinec I have firefox running [11:22] hmmm, think it's about to receive a SIGSTOP [11:24] with wifi running, I ave about 40 wakeups and I think I suually have 20 [11:24] or less [11:25] i measure without firefox. that bitch is unpredictable [11:25] i think its more a java issue then firefox [11:25] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.7) left irc: "Leaving" [11:25] maybe [11:26] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Skywise: java disabled here [11:26] killall -SIGSTOP firefox-bin and waiting about 30 seconds is ok [11:27] well, my biggest waker was iwlagn (wifi) by far but I still have ssh running [11:27] back [11:27] sigstop...hm i'm just closing it [11:27] so u guys can u provide me with the book of the slackware [11:27] Patero-ng: if you look in the channel topic i think that will be a given ;-) [11:27] cteg: I have almost 30 tabs [11:28] Patero-ng, http://www.slackbook.org/ [11:28] are you pure? are you clean? thou shalt no posess the book until thee are so [11:28] Patero-ng: in fact, if you havent allready, i *heavily* suggest that you check out all the links, left to right [11:28] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:28] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [11:28] macavity: hmmm, we should think about users reading from right to left, this is really discriminating -_- [11:29] I guess I'll just focus on the user account section [11:29] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:29] Patero-ng: i suggest that you a) read the guidelines, and b) read the slackbook end-to-end [11:30] crn__ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:30] Patero-ng: people tend to laugh at you when you ask questions that is clearly and easily explained in the book :P [11:30] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Patero-ng: btw, what version of Slackware are you running? [11:32] He is using backtrack 3... [11:33] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Client Quit [11:33] ah, in that case /ignore [11:34] mquin (i=mike@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [11:34] isnt there a way we can force backtrack and slax to omit mentioning the fact that they were once forked off slackware? [11:34] why haven't you said that earlier? :P [11:34] alienBOB, do u know something about a solution to kde 4.2.4 calender bug? [11:35] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [11:36] Alt_of_Ctrl: no [11:36] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] Action: thrice` thinks it should be patched [11:36] macavity: they may tell they are forked from Slackware, but they should not be pointing their users to the Slackware support channels... [11:37] thrice`: OK go ahead and patch it [11:37] I will host the patched package [11:37] I don't have any 4.2.x installs left :) [11:37] Neither have I [11:37] and considering many BT users now have BT4... [11:37] fxer (n=fxer@c-bd02e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:37] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [11:38] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: "Leaving" [11:39] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:40] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:40] bt4 hackable [11:40] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [11:40] is based on ubuntu [11:40] (n) [11:40] which is better bootloader for ext4 multi-boot lilo or grub ? [11:40] alienBOB: i know.. the problem just is that lame users doent read that far.. they just see "oh, this is actually slackware, those dudes are hardcore so ill just ask them!" [11:41] hello all [11:41] intelligente people will not use bt4 online [11:41] this is why I have a t-shirt that says Go slackware [11:41] Patero-ng: intelligent people will not use backtrack at all... [11:41] ok ur making fun of me [11:41] QFT [11:41] macavity: you're reading my mind ;-) [11:41] macavity: agreed [11:41] bt3 is for me [11:42] I'm a junkie [11:42] enjoy [11:42] now everyone that worries about security should also not use google [11:42] all ur statistic go straight to the fbi [11:42] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] and that's 1 way to track u down when someone hacks a corporation [11:42] looking what was search on google [11:42] Patero-ng: no, i am not.. it is just the millionth time that we have someone in here using a non-slackware distro asking seriously lame questions about basic unix knowledge.. if you have to ask you are not up for using a dedicated cracker tool [11:43] Patero-ng: do you use scroogle? [11:43] I use yahoo [11:43] no one will ever find me [11:43] Immundus (n=obi@e179136254.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:43] I won't use lycos anymore cuz even lycos has google cookies [11:43] google cookies are on sites about sports am like wtf [11:44] they're everywhere u go [11:44] Patero-ng: do you use slackware [11:44] absolutly [11:44] hacker proof [11:44] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] nothing is hacker proof... [11:44] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] blasfemy [11:44] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [11:45] if its built, it can be broken [11:45] well if ur careful u wont' get hacked if u know what ur doing that is [11:45] and people use things that doin't know waht they're up too [11:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:45] TClayton break me [11:45] people use google they dot nknow who is their owner is a jew [11:45] when I use a thing I know what's up k... [11:45] i think that was racism right there [11:45] show me your rc.firewall [11:45] alienBOB: +kb? [11:46] ur right I should say zionist [11:46] but I just look cooler that way [11:46] you clearly didnt bother to read the channel guidelines.. [11:46] macavity: whats happening today [11:46] I have a teamspeak server [11:46] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [11:46] I'm just trying to make peple aware [11:47] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:47] all these new wireless technolgoies are deliriosuy [11:47] TClayton: midget attack from the endless sea of ignorance (obviously) [11:47] lol [11:47] they want people to get worry abu tnot beign hacked [11:47] all the itme [11:47] Patero-ng: bye bye [11:47] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=no@*.slkc.qwest.net' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [11:47] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [11:47] thank you [11:47] Asshat he was [11:47] \o/ [11:47] hehe [11:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:49] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [11:49] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:49] wow, for the first time ever, the 2.6.23.x usbboot.img works without using the usbimg2disk script \o/ [11:50] sahk0: in that case you got your partition table and filesystem options right by hand [11:51] but the 2.6.23.x kernels give me this: Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Analog Devices AD1984" "HDA:11d41984,17aa20bb,00100400" "" "" [11:51] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Hardware is initialized using a guess method [11:51] on my laptop [11:51] i wonder if alsa* should be upgraded, or there is another way to solve this [11:51] sahk0: kernel upgrade [11:52] isnt .3 the latest? [11:52] -current has the latest kernel afaict [11:52] last time i checked we are in the .32 series [11:52] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] oh you mean use an rc? [11:52] .23 is somewhere between 12.x and 13 [11:53] no, i mean, .23.x is *years* old [11:53] macavity: typo, i meant .32 [11:53] sahk0: I think that message goes away if you do alsaconf and alsactl store [11:53] ah [11:53] in that case you are probably SOL [11:53] XGizzmo: let me try it [11:53] try google and see if some nice arch or gentoo user has a nice article about what other codec fits that one [11:54] theres a readhat report for some older kernel. some in ubuntu too [11:54] sahk0: ah, this happens in the init phase? [11:54] yes [11:54] but sound works here normally [11:54] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:54] then it was strictly speaking misleading to say that "kernel give me this" [11:54] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:55] i though it was in dmesg [11:55] well to be precise, alsa gives it [11:55] yes, every time you upgrade kernel it is a good idea to run alsactl store [11:55] sahk0: seems support for your sound card was merged on Oct 3 2009 [11:56] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Camarade_Tux: hmm , i dont know what you mean by that, sound worked before oct 3rd :p [11:58] sahk0: alsamixer -> alsactl store probably clears it right up [11:58] yeah i did that. gonna reboot ..... now:) [11:58] its just because /etc/asound.state is borked up because it uses the pointers from the old kernel [11:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:59] i dont remember getting that ever before though anyway brb [11:59] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] \o/ its the antiwire [11:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] antiwire: you were sorly missed yesterday :-/ [12:00] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:02] alsaconf seems to have worked, thanks [12:02] I was missed by the channel sniper or what? [12:03] sahk0: yeah, I meant that last changes for your sound card happened on that day ;-) [12:03] antiwire: hmm, what? [12:04] Nick change: antiwire -> DrStrangeNix [12:06] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:10] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: "*" [12:14] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158191036.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] DrStrangeNix: no, we had an ath5k user with a seriously strange problem [12:15] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [12:15] hmm [12:15] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [12:15] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] I'm actually looking for an ath9k mini pci express card now [12:16] ScreweDude (n=ScreweDu@41.252.14.99) joined ##slackware. [12:16] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [12:16] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [12:16] DrStrangeNix: from what i googled it was supposedly a well supported card, but sometimes it refused to assosiate, sometimes it would work for 15 minutes, then drop out, etc etc [12:16] DrStrangeNix: the AP was known good, as the other slackware machine worked without a hickup (it was even running unencrypted) [12:16] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [12:16] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] guys... I know this is off topic but i'm really furstrated to find a device driver for this usb adapter which i've purchaed for nokia 1100 mobiles [12:17] fxer (n=fxer@c-bd02e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] use bluetooth [12:17] ScreweDude: Is it plugged in to the system yet? can you show us the output of lsusb ? [12:17] its name is CA-50 but it happend that to have the wrong device drive cd with it [12:17] in to/into [12:17] nope ... nokia 1100 a like mobiles have no bluetooth [12:18] lsusb -> pastebin [12:19] sorry guys i'm using windows 7 not linux but i know you too many ways around [12:19] this is what it says in the device manager (Port_#0002.Hub_#0003) [12:19] ... [12:19] that is just the USB bus id [12:20] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:20] i've used device drive dective but no good luck [12:21] ScreweDude: So you're trying to get this device to work under windows [12:21] tried driverguide chat room but no luck either [12:21] yes DrStrangeNix [12:21] If you want help getting it to work under Slackware we can help you. [12:21] i just want to easy my life with being able to manage my contacts list [12:21] ease* [12:22] ScreweDude Nokia 1100? what do you want to do with it? o.0 [12:22] ah :x [12:22] i've tried hardware channel no luck as well [12:22] Andi ... that is the best mobile ever (when it comes to my personal preferences) [12:22] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:23] my dad say the same thing =X [12:23] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:23] you gotta a wise dad then :) [12:23] i preffer my iphone \o/ xD [12:24] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [12:24] how do you feel when you just think you've lost it for a second? [12:24] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] do you panic? lol [12:25] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "reboot" [12:25] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:25] never had a problem with mine :x [12:25] ScreweDude: go die in a fire [12:25] i think your CA-50 cable have only cable for winXP dude [12:26] must die in a fire? can't just die in my place? [12:26] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hmm.. [12:26] o.0 [12:26] i've tried to find it for win xp too but no good luck [12:26] carbon_ (n=carbon@77.94.32.153.satgate.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.32) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Like we said, If you can show us the real information about that card with real device IDs we might be able to help you use it in Linux if there is a driver. [12:29] CABO DE DADOS USB CA-50 [12:29] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:31] Is there some tool like Windows Live writer on Slackware to publish to a Wordpress site? [12:32] Yivz (n=yivz@adsl-152-209-181.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Nick change: carbon_ -> carbon__ [12:33] kleanchap: i seen some wordpress software for Linux listed at http://freshmeat.net in the past, they have a good search function so you could try searching for "wordpress" there [12:33] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Hi, I'm trying to access network (dhcp) via booting from installation DVD... what configuration should I run to have this feature enabled? [12:35] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:35] i never used any networking while booted with the install CD/DVD, and i am not sure it is built in to the kernel that boots the install CD/DVD [12:35] it is [12:35] and i even think it is documentd on the DVD [12:36] there is a script that loads the right network driver and runs dhcpcd on it [12:36] cool, what ftp or internet fetching software does the install DVD have? [12:36] but i cant remember what it is called, nor where it is located [12:36] ftp/cifs/http/nfs [12:36] no wget? [12:36] http? [12:37] macavity, It should work because I remember somebody done a while back. I just can't remember which script. [12:37] Yivz: you better start looking in the root of the DVD for ducumentation then [12:37] Very well, but please, if anyone knows the script to configure network, let me know. [12:38] Have you even booted the system off the dvd yet? [12:38] DrStrangeNix, Yes. [12:39] there should be brief instructions on the boot screen for doing installs over the net [12:39] you just run the setup and select the source you need, the installer will prompt for probe for network devices. [12:40] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Skywise, I'm just trying to obtain a connection to transfer files from my Win hard drive over the LAN not to get installation files. [12:40] ... [12:40] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Go into the source selection menu and choose a network protocol for install, like http. the system will probe for wired network cards. [12:41] Yivz: it might just be called "netconfig" [12:41] ah DrStrangeNix´ [12:41] i thought that just prepared the config files [12:41] DrStrangeNix++ [12:42] I'm in a VM right now doing it. [12:42] Or "/bin/network" :) [12:42] there it was :-) [12:42] So wtf was all this banter about then? [12:42] you figured it out yourself.... [12:43] not bad, I just made them piss off at netbeans that they banned me .... [12:43] Umm... not yet. It found the driver for NIC but can't connect yet. [12:43] hmm the netbeans does not work though. [12:43] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [12:43] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Ok, ran dhcpcd... now I have connection. Hopefully... [12:44] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Alright, so all I did was, ran "/bin/network" and execute "/sbin/dhcpcd". [12:47] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] i just bought an ath9k card [12:50] AR9281 AR5B91 [12:55] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Makaveli_ma (n=Makaveli@wana-78-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Yivz: uhm, did it occure to you that you might have to call dhcpcd on the actual device? [12:56] Yivz: dhcpcd eth0? [12:56] DrStrangeNix: is it working out ok? [12:56] I don't know yet, just bought it [12:56] keep me posted :-) [12:56] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.25.235) joined ##slackware. [12:56] should be here in a few days [12:57] Razec (i=1000@189-92-0-143.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Hey can someone suggest the versions and build order I should use to try and rebuild the related mesa/drm stuff for a 945GM? [12:59] This 945GM is a dog with the current drivers, it seems. [12:59] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [12:59] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] macavity, I didn't have to specify which interface because after running the network script of installation boot, it only had that particular interface to establish DHCP on. [13:05] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:05] I am completly screwed up ... I cannot get the netbeans get working [13:07] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.197) joined ##slackware. [13:07] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:09] carbon__ (n=carbon@77.94.32.153.satgate.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:09] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.112) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:10] Yivz: that is an undocumented feature then [13:10] Yivz: the manpage does not mark the interface as [interface], and it should thus not be optional :P [13:11] I use KDE 3.5. Looks like it doesn't know about /usr/share/icons/hicolor [13:11] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:11] I already have 2.6.32.3 so is this build and install order correct? Build and install as I go in this order? mesa, libdrm, xf86-intel [13:12] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] no [13:12] kernel, drm, mesa, [13:12] Well, I assumed that since there is only one interface is up, then the dhcpcd merely going to request connection through that. I don't know the details. All I care at this point is that I'm transferring all the files I need to backup from the Wins partition which by the way does not boot after upgrading the .NET framework to 3.5 SP1--very strange. [13:13] What is the icons search path for KDE? How can I change this path? [13:14] How can I make a program run after logging into X in Slackware 13.0 at startup? [13:14] neogooglian: that depends on the DE [13:14] neogooglian, edit your ~/.profile [13:14] macavity: I use kde [13:14] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-131-183-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.32.233) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] Skywise: having X related stuff in .profile is outright bad practice [13:15] Skywise: thanks, I'll try that [13:15] NO [13:15] why? if thats your login runlevel? [13:15] macavity: why not? [13:15] neogooglian: stick it in ~/.kde/Autostart [13:15] that is what its there for [13:15] hmm [13:15] macavity: thanks. [13:16] Skywise: the correct way is actually ~/.Xresources [13:16] well i guess it would become an issue everytime you opened a shell [13:16] Skywise: thats the equivalent to .profile in the X11 land [13:16] no shit.. [13:17] i live in console land, i only run x to remember why i don't like it [13:17] then please dont advice people about X :P [13:17] i surf on my windows game box [13:18] it wasn't so much advice about x as it was about running an app on login [13:18] Razec (i=1000@189-92-0-143.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] Another question:How do I upgrade to 13.1 from 13.0 when it is released? or should I do a fresh install? [13:19] Init5 (n=gogo@79.138.162.175.bredband.oister.dk) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] that would depend on what you wanted to preserve [13:19] there will be published a nice document on how to do it [13:19] you read the documents included with 13.1 [13:19] i only use a release as a starting point and do my own upgrades [13:19] but nowadays slackpkg can pretty much do it with no issues [13:20] in fact, you could get the idea by reading the upgrade and changes/hints documents in 13.0 [13:20] hmm.. ok. How was it for the previous versions? [13:20] just read its manpage and be a little carefull (eg, think before you type) [13:20] neogooglian: just read and thing ending in .txt in the toplevel of the media [13:20] installing package A can cause issues on a running os [13:20] more people need wives to nag and annoy you, and send you on errands and wild goose chases, and have you perform useless and futile tasks around your house [13:20] and thing/anything [13:20] neogooglian: if you read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT you will see :P [13:20] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:21] ok thanks guys. [13:21] but i wouldn't upgrade the os while running from it [13:21] boot from the install disk or whatever [13:21] macavity: what is that get-mesa.sh used for? The build script uses the broken down files and the get script spits out a single git tarball [13:21] Skywise: i dont care what you would personally do.. the docs says go to runlevel 1 and do it [13:22] DrStrangeNix: oh, i dont remember.. i have hand build mesa for some time now [13:22] well, single user mode isn't the end all and be all [13:22] DrStrangeNix: the patches for destdir and prefix are no longer needed, ./configure/DESTDIR works as expected, etc etc [13:23] upgrading from a different bootdisk keeps you from getting hamstrung should something fail during install [13:23] Skywise: tell that to Patrick.. i am completely convinced that he will listen to your arguments [13:23] i'm not really motivated [13:23] ...despite the fact that the way we do it now has always worked [13:23] oh i'm sure [13:24] you got that tatoo'd somewhere too? [13:24] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [13:26] screwedude1 (n=ScreweDu@41.252.40.134) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hey i'm the real screwedude here ... who took my nick? lol [13:27] whois screwedude [13:27] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.40.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] Makaveli_ma (n=Makaveli@wana-78-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] you might wanna ask the admins or #help channel [13:28] screwedude1: /msg nickserv ghost screwedude $PASSWORD [13:28] whenever I try to build antything with netbeans I get : Unable to find a javac compiler. The JAVA_HOME is set /usr/lib/java. The javac is in /usr/lib/java/bin. I don't know what I do wrong. [13:28] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:29] paul424: has to do with your profile and/or bashrc... depends when and where JAVA_HOME is defined [13:29] did you add the compiler path to the system variablles? [13:29] eviljames: its defined in several places all pointing to path I told. [13:30] paul424: and is it in netbeans' environment? [13:30] ScreweDude: what do you mean exactly ? uhh you mean classpath ? [13:30] eviljames: yeah I am dealing with netbeans [13:30] ScreweDude (n=ScreweDu@41.252.14.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] anyone running codeblock in slackware ? [13:30] codeblocks* [13:31] using* [13:31] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:33] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.32.233) joined ##slackware. [13:34] DrStrangeNix (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:34] screwedude1: you mean PATH ? [13:34] $PATH [13:34] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8E3FB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] $macavity [13:35] $biteme :P [13:35] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-189.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:35] paul424: check that "echo $PATH" encludes /usr/lib/java/bin/ [13:35] macavity: yes it does [13:35] it should [13:36] also I can evoke javac from bash [13:36] then netbeans is acting funny [13:36] you better ask in a netbeans forum [13:36] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:36] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:37] yeah, cause from #netbeans I was already banned. [13:37] i think vmware tools is installed because when i try installing vmware tools again, it would first remove it, however vmware doesnt think vmware tools is installed, how do i know for sure if its installed? [13:37] or how do i know if the installation was successful [13:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [13:39] Nick change: terver -> misha [13:40] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:42] ComputerNoobie: #vmware might know better [13:43] i dont think vmware directly supports slackware [13:43] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] I'm certain slackware directly does not support vmware, though. [13:43] anyone knows a good tool for cloning partitions? [13:44] vmware certainly may run on it :P [13:44] dd works good [13:45] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Skywise: but dd copies the whole partition... it does not allow holes [13:45] and you end up with a huge file [13:45] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [13:45] eviljames: self image recovery [13:45] tediosu: pipe it to gzip [13:45] so you wanna back it up? [13:45] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:45] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) joined ##slackware. [13:46] tediosu: or xz [13:46] yeah you car rsync or tar to the new partition [13:46] or even cp -aR [13:46] it depends on how faithful of a copy you want [13:47] most copies are unfaithful cheating whores after all... [13:47] if you just want the files, i'd use rsync [13:47] yeah, they got issues [13:47] Skywise: i think cp will not work since i need to clone an O.S. [13:47] screwedude1 (n=ScreweDu@41.252.40.134) left irc: [13:47] the default ark utility in Slackware won't decompress rar files for me. What do you guys use? [13:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=no@*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [13:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=no@*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:48] neogooglian: unrar from slackbuilds.org [13:48] macavity: there ougth to be a better way [13:48] tediosu: there probably is.. i would consult google on the matter [13:48] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [13:48] macavity: unrar seems to be command line. Is there a GUI variant? [13:48] tediosu, so what are you trying to do? move to a new hd? [13:48] http://tinyurl.com/slackphorism [13:48] clonezilla? [13:48] neogooglian: i belive that ark will call unrar if it finds it [13:48] Skywise: yes [13:49] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) joined ##slackware. [13:49] neogooglian: no, not belive, i know so [13:49] hi all [13:49] you can copy the paritions from the shell of an install disk, or use rsync without external filesystems [13:50] Wertik (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:50] macavity:yep you are right. :) [13:50] is there any way for me to scroll up in prompt, if im not in the gui [13:51] anyone have KDE3.5 set up with slackware 13? i have not found how can i do.... [13:51] if you're in a framebuffer console, you can use page up/page dn [13:51] Pi3rrot, http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [13:52] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [13:52] Wertik (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] shift+PGUP [13:52] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] thrice`, i have found, downloaded all the directory, installpkg *.txz but i do not works... thats is all README say.... [13:52] YZ (n=Yan@89-179-7-27.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] you'll need something better than "does not work" [13:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:53] And that is not all the README says. [13:53] Pi3rrot: xwmconfig [13:54] startkde not found ... [13:54] How can I disable my touchpad when i begin typing?. Is there a way to configure a shortcut for disabling touchpad? It's very annoying as i find it over sensitive sometimes [13:54] Pi3rrot, you did not read the readme at all [13:55] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] macavity: so just to be clear: build kernel, build libdrm install, build mesa install, build xorg intel driver install [13:55] hmm... if i use dd on a partition of size X; then copy the result on a partition of size Y, where Y > X; will Y be equals to X? [13:55] I hope this helps with this darn 945GM [13:55] if so i could use dd [13:55] antiwire, correct. new intel driver *REQUIRES* kms btw [13:56] thrice`, i don't want to use KDE3, i just want old konqueror [13:56] thrice`: my kernel has KMS enabled so I should be good there [13:56] antiwire, ok :) with 2.10, xorg will not even start if kms isn't enabled [13:57] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] my nvidia based laptop arrives on monday but i'm still interested in getting this to work on the model with has the 945GM [13:57] I mean, it works but 3D really bad right now [13:58] intel doesn't do 3d :) [13:58] So this operation could be futile? [13:58] will be, I'm fairly certain [13:58] All I want is google earth + 945GM to at least be usable :( [13:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Currently, GE will start and even run but it's so slow you can't really use it. [14:00] makes the kittens cry [14:01] neogooglian: there are apps where you can configure that. TouchFreeze (for Linux) for example [14:01] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158148001.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:01] thrice`: are you on a laptop? [14:01] thrice`: I think I remember you or someone else being on a D820? [14:02] pprkut Is there a Slack package for that? Thanks. [14:02] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [14:03] neogooglian: not that I know of [14:03] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.214.155) joined ##slackware. [14:06] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] neogooglian: synclient TouchpadOff=1 [14:06] greetings and salutations [14:07] XGizzmo wins [14:07] greetings andarius [14:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [14:08] andarius, laptop, yes, thinkpad with a 965 chip [14:08] d'oh, antwire* [14:08] tab fail :P [14:08] tab complete ++, thrice` -- :P [14:08] :D [14:08] haha [14:09] Do anyone knows a site where I can get a shell account? [14:09] Axius: not "get"... [14:09] Axius: free? [14:09] yes [14:10] who on earth would want to have such a severe security hassle yet do it for free? [14:10] Axius: bshellz, shellium etc [14:11] tediosu, thank you. [14:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: [14:12] on shellium front page: "I have no idea why the system froze up...it just froze...nothing in the logs. Just froze...I know it sucks but that's all that is known." [14:12] i know why... some maggot found a local exploit [14:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.12) joined ##slackware. [14:12] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:15] macavity how ofen does antiwire comes? [14:15] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:16] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:20] deximat: pretty often [14:20] deximat: too bad you just missed him :-/ [14:20] deximat: i just couldn't remember your name [14:21] how is that possible, I was here from 4 pm [14:21] he split 14 mintes ago [14:21] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:21] but if i had remembered your name i would have pinged you [14:21] :S [14:21] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:21] scroll up [14:21] ok, thanks [14:22] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] corn is not installed on slackware by default? [14:22] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:22] deximat: the korn shell? [14:23] secheder [14:23] unknown to me [14:23] corntab [14:23] to run some commands at ceran time [14:23] crontab? [14:23] mmm, corntab [14:24] you dont know what corntab is? [14:25] fresh corntab with butter sounds great [14:25] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:25] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:25] nevermind.. [14:25] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] ohdannyb1y (n=ohdannyb@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:26] ohdannyb1y (n=ohdannyb@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:28] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] TheSecret (i=TheSecre@ip72-204-145-159.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Quick question, but how do you permanatly set ARCH variable with bash? [14:36] I put ARCH="x86_64" in .bashrc, .bash_profile, .bash_login, however it still doesnt register properly when I am in a login shell [14:38] TheSecret: export FOO=bar [14:38] TheSecret: also, remember that when you swich to root, use "su -" instead of "su" [14:38] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:38] TheSecret: otherwise you get a fucked up environment [14:39] TheSecret: personally alias su='su -' is one of the first things i stick in /etc/profile after a system install [14:39] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.255.12.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:49] hmm, well i figured out the issue, in any case [14:49] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] watch -n5 --no-title "lsof | grep filename; echo; ls -lh filename" [14:50] what i was looking for is something i could run where i woudl give it a filename, and it would watch that file and any time a process reads or writes tha tfile, it prints the name of the process [14:50] Axius (n=fim@92.85.214.155) joined ##slackware. [14:50] what did you come up with? [14:50] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] well, i didn't. i was trying to do that to figure out what was messing with my hosts.deny file, but i realized what was going on [14:51] ah [14:51] i think you can only get open filehandles [14:51] i dont think the kernel exports reads/writes to userland [14:51] that would be prohibitively expencive [14:52] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@ALille-157-1-102-194.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:53] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] mikk0 (i=mikk0@YMYDCXXXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:55] i bought a new hub today, its a 10/100 mbit hub. and im a little concerned because when i ftp through it, i only get a trasnfer rate of around 6.3 megabytes/second. these are older machines, one is a 450mhz p3, and the other is a 650mhz amd processor.. but they should be able to push the full bandwidth of around 10 megabytes/second, given they both have 100mbit ethernet cards in them [14:55] am i getting only 6.3 megabytes/second because i bought a low quality hub? [14:56] A hub will only work at the slowest network card hooked to it. [14:56] macavity: sorry for the delayed response. I actually login as root in a VT, so its not an issue of su / su - [14:57] why do I have to use export, and not just set the variable? just curious [14:57] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:57] work at the speed. [14:57] oye (n=oye@84.120.132.229.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] TheSecret: it is, afaik, only enherited by subshells if it exported or something like that [14:58] TheSecret: also be mindfull of the difference between .profile and .bashrc [14:59] TheSecret: the invocation section of bash(1) has insights to the matter [14:59] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [14:59] TheSecret: the difference between login shells and interactive shells, which files are relevant what case etc [15:00] is there a diffrence between isntalling the jdk from tgz and txt archives ? [15:00] paul424: txt archives? [15:00] paul424: you mean, txz archives? [15:00] txz [15:01] txz is just another compression format [15:01] just make sure you install the jdk that matches your slackware version [15:01] whatever format that might be in [15:02] the best one to use is the $pkgname.waffle :o [15:03] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. 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[15:03] andarius: you know that Pat doesnt like those kinds of mad hax :P [15:04] fine by me, means I get more .waffle :P [15:04] though i tend to agree.. there is nothing like the smell of a freshly unpacked waffle archive [15:04] but requiring packagers to have special hardware is probably not a good idea :P [15:05] hey [15:05] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] anyone who does not have the hardware required to deal with a .waffle does not deserve to have their goodness any way [15:05] How to start ssh server [15:06] Axius: chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [15:06] big waffle iron [15:06] Axius: then /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start [15:06] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd && /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start [15:06] Axius: next read the section in www.slackbook.org on services ;-) [15:07] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [15:08] <_abc_> is CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q set in current 13.0 default kernels ? [15:08] <_abc_> i can't check from here [15:08] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-237-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:08] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] thanks [15:08] _abc_: in -current or in 13.0? [15:09] <_abc_> 13.0 [15:09] dunno.. i'm on current [15:09] _abc_: yep, it is. [15:09] <_abc_> well is it set in the default install config ? ah ok [15:09] <_abc_> thanks [15:09] CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m [15:09] CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q_GVRP=y [15:10] on -current.. [15:10] <_abc_> yes, thanks [15:10] <_abc_> so whats the module name to load? [15:10] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] Nick change: misha -> terver [15:11] No module to load as it appears it is statically in the kernel. [15:11] Oh, the =m one. [15:11] <_abc_> erm CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m usually means module [15:12] <_abc_> its 8021q.ko [15:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-189.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [15:13] mikk0 (i=mikk0@YMYDCXXXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: [15:15] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:15] <_abc_> does anyone know if vconfig works on aliased ethers? like eth0:1 ? [15:15] <_abc_> or is that not needed [15:15] not needed afaik [15:15] <_abc_> i.e. vlan adds a different dimension than aliased if's [15:15] <_abc_> yes? [15:16] hey guys [15:16] now we are missing antiwire again [15:16] macavity: was he gone when you woke up or something? :P [15:16] after a update on perl 5.10.0 to perl 5.10.1 on slack, my Xchat can't use anymore its perls scripts [15:17] i receive an error [15:17] Can't locate File/Spec.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.0 /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl .) at (eval 1) line 28. [15:17] BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 28. [15:17] pastebin hero !! [15:17] anyone know how to solve this? [15:17] andarius, sorry [15:18] perhaps rebuild/update xchat ? [15:18] i think that is a problem of perl [15:18] did you update to perl from -current ? [15:19] why would you think that when it is the wrong path for your version ?? -- > /usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.0 [15:19] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] thrice`, sim [15:19] sim? [15:19] thrice`, yes [15:19] lol [15:19] sorry [15:19] wtf is sim? [15:19] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:19] sim is yes in portuguese [15:19] sorry [15:19] oh, lol. ok, are you actually running -current? [15:19] i am on a portuguese network also [15:19] thrice`, yes [15:20] there is a chance xchat hasn't been rebuilt yet for the new perl - I don't have it installed here to check [15:20] hummm [15:21] Alt_of_Ctrl: either you make a symlink to the old location and hope for the best [15:21] Alt_of_Ctrl: OR you rebuild each and every app that requires perl [15:21] based on the version you claim to have installed and the path in that error a rebuild may fix it [15:22] we recently had this in current too... [15:22] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] perl ftl :| [15:23] i'm using current from 19 Dezember [15:23] then "slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all" [15:24] xchat has not yet been rebuilt. rebuilding the package and upgrading to it will fix it for sure [15:25] where I can rebuild Xchat? [15:25] from slackbuilds? [15:25] xchat comes with slackware, so go to a slackware ftp mirror, in slackware/source/xap/xchat you'll find what you need [15:26] ok [15:26] honestly, if you don't use xchat's perl scripting, you might be able to rebuild it without perl scripting support at all (at least, you used to be able to) [15:26] WarCriminal (n=IceChat7@124.43.36.63) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] i will try [15:27] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] it's 2010, "the year we make contact", and I still have a battery-powered analog clock telling me the wrong time [15:28] rbellamy_ (n=rbellamy@adsl-68-127-138-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] the future sucks [15:29] Nick change: rbellamy_ -> rbellamy [15:30] terver (i=misha@epicsol.org) left ##slackware. [15:30] ClaudioM1 (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] I kinda wanted to know whether making a symlink would have fixed his perl problem (at some point I'll be running -current and might get bitten by this) [15:32] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Urchlay: it is fixed in -current [15:32] Urchlay: all perl using apps were rebuild [15:33] yeah, I figured that'd fix it. Wondered if the cheap/lazy solution would work [15:33] time to go roam around and fine some out and a filter for my truck [15:34] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] just cause -current is fixed now doesn't mean it won't break again (just the fact that I decide to use it might cause breakage, due to some supernatural stuff that I don't really believe in) [15:34] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.130) joined ##slackware. [15:34] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-237-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:41] a get the files from source [15:41] xchat [15:41] a tried to build it [15:41] executing the slackbuild [15:41] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] but dont work [15:42] xchat should be executed anyway. Give it a blindfold and a cigarette... [15:42] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] can you be more specific? paste the error message(s) at www.pastebin.ca maybe? [15:43] http://pastebin.com/m24195fd6 [15:44] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [15:44] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Alt_of_Ctrl: run this in a terminal: perl -e 'print @INC;' [15:47] what do you get? [15:48] usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.1/usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/usr/lib64/perl5/site_perl/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5. [15:48] don't think his building problem has anything to do with perl: # [15:48] xtext.h:273: error: expected =, ,, ;, asm or __attribute__ before gtk_xtext_get_type [15:49] coz perl is awesome [15:49] Action: acidchild is writing a web crawler in perl atm [15:49] Alt_of_Ctrl: so your perl is fine, but xchat is the problem [15:49] StevenR: hey! =) ltns [15:49] reloaded_ (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] tsonev_ (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:50] see ya [15:50] i have the slackbuild and source [15:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-237-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:50] i tried to rebuild it [15:50] this was the result http://pastebin.com/m24195fd6 [15:50] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] It just built fine here on a stock full slackware64-current [15:52] <_abc_> can a vlan with the same ip as a non-vlan coexist on the same interface? e.g. eth0->10.0.0.1 eth0.1->10.0.0.1 ? [15:52] Nick change: ClaudioM1 -> ClaudioM [15:52] <_abc_> and will they be disjoint? i know that this is a bad idea but i need to bridge something weird temporarily [15:53] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [15:53] <_abc_> in theory if i bridge the vlan and the eth they should work, but can brtool handle vlans? [15:54] why not give them sequential ips on the same network [15:54] <_abc_> because i need to match what a diseased device expects [15:54] <_abc_> after i heal it i can do what i want [15:54] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [15:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:55] <_abc_> basically 'how disjoint' (or isolated) are a vlan on an eth and a non-vlan on the same eth? [15:56] <_abc_> bridging eth's wth the same ip on different physical nets is a well-known redundancy technique [15:56] <_abc_> so that works. but what with vlan? must i try out everything? [15:56] i don't think assiging the ip will be the problem as much as the routing would be [15:56] <_abc_> Skywise: once they are bridged there is no problem [15:56] well thats prolly faster then waiting for an answer [15:56] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:56] try it and tell us how it works [15:57] <_abc_> Skywise: not really waiting is faster, i need to ssh and perform dark magic in virtual machines [15:57] <_abc_> to check it out [15:57] <_abc_> and i do not have access to the real network today [15:57] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [15:57] <_abc_> so i am emulating everything in vbox and qemu [15:57] Axius (n=fim@92.85.214.155) left irc: "Reconnecting" [15:57] Axius (n=fim@92.85.214.155) joined ##slackware. [15:58] <_abc_> is there a net guru hangout on freenode ? [15:58] <_abc_> i.e. channel [15:58] does a bridge even need an ip since its just echoing everything [15:58] what does it mean atk5k: unsupported jumbo? [15:58] i don't know about that, but if there was, i'm sure it wouldn't be listed [15:58] <_abc_> Skywise: normally the bridge gets the outgoing ip (we are not talking transparent bridge) [15:58] you'd just have to try [15:58] k [15:59] <_abc_> deximat: afaik it means some unsupported type of ath5k (Atheros wlan) device or setting [16:00] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] Axius (n=fim@92.85.214.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:01] deximat: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/acer-aspire-one-connection-dropouts-in-jaunty-731834/ [16:01] _abc_, should I kill myself? [16:01] nope [16:01] it *should* be supported [16:01] its related to the phy [16:01] <_abc_> deximat: post what caused the message, i had some run-ins with my own ath5k card [16:02] <_abc_> deximat: that is a weird question to ask ... (should i ...) [16:03] I get that message fairly regularly on my laptop, it doesn't generally mean there's a real problem though [16:03] deximat: you may have better luck with madwifi [16:03] _abc_ i cant associate ap to my card... when I set essid with it it cant get ip adress because it doesnt recognise ap... [16:03] <_abc_> deximat: one thing it does is it means 'jumbo packet' or such [16:03] <_abc_> deximat: try with wpa off [16:03] it is off [16:03] i dont use it [16:04] <_abc_> so what essid do you use? any funny characters in it? [16:04] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:04] <_abc_> what happens if you do sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|less [16:04] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ahoy there :) [16:04] deximat: iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M && iwconfig wlan0 essid MyAccessPoint && dhcpcd wlan0 [16:05] _abc_, iwlist works fine, it finds ap, essid deximat [16:05] <_abc_> deximat: do what macavity said [16:05] <_abc_> but rate 1M is excessively low [16:05] start at the bottom... work the way up [16:05] <_abc_> deximat: hows your signal ? better then -55dB ? [16:06] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [16:06] there's one question about bash. When bash starting as a login shell, it doesn't read my ~/.bashrc. If bash running as a non-login shell, it reading my ~/.bashrc . Is this ok? [16:06] lets not attack him too fast.. i know from yesterday that he is running back and forth between two computers [16:06] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("BitchX: There is no reason."). [16:06] <_abc_> macavity: ok, you have control [16:07] ifconfig error [16:07] <_abc_> i feel faint because i need to find out how to work with that ********* vlan thing [16:07] no option rate [16:07] <_abc_> deximat: iwconfig [16:07] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [16:08] sry [16:08] dfrank: you can make login shells read .bashrc by sticking a line "source ~/.bashrc" at the top of ~/.bash_profile [16:08] nope err wlan0 time ouy [16:08] out [16:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Hello [16:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Urchlay: thank you, but is it normal idea? Maybe it's needing thing not to read ~/.bashrc in login shell? [16:10] deximat: it looks like its going to be ndiswrapper or madwifi [16:10] macavity, hello, [16:10] good année 2010 [16:10] deximat: which is slightly a problem, since i dont have any experience with neither [16:10] good year 2010 * [16:10] hello fredoslack [16:11] :( [16:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.255.12.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:12] deximat: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:ndiswrapper [16:12] deximat: go over this carefully [16:12] _abc_ I can only tell you that if you scan on a regular device with wireshark and it uses vlan tags you don't get the tags displayed [16:13] http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6081F820100109 [16:14] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] deximat: you should probably read all of it twice before you actually start doing what it says [16:14] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.130) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] Nick change: hacfed -> hcfd [16:15] Can anyone recommend a PDF editor? [16:15] macavity: on debian without driver it didnt work at all, when I did install madwifi same thing, and when I upgraded kernel it worked fine, but I dont understand why does it work a bit then it doesnt... [16:15] deximat: me neither [16:16] deximat: but i am fairly sure it will work with ndiswrapper [16:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.130) joined ##slackware. [16:16] deximat: the problem just is if you have the windows driver for it [16:16] why is that problem? [16:16] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:17] isnt ndiswrapper for wap? [16:17] no [16:18] wpa [16:18] * [16:18] ndiswrapper is a compatiblility layer [16:18] so you can use windows drivers for linux [16:18] if you would be so kind as to read the article i posted above [16:18] but it worked on debian without any windows shit... so it has to work on slack too... [16:18] same kernel [16:19] debian patches their kernels [16:19] <_abc_> Immundus: thanks, i have that part sorted out, i know what vlan to look for [16:19] so you can go to the debian people and ask which patches they used, patch your own kernel, recompile and install and be happy [16:19] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:19] <_abc_> Immundus: what is #deveth? [16:19] however, i suspect that is too tough for you [16:19] no imean that shows how the kernel should handle the interfaces [16:20] channel of a friend [16:20] <_abc_> deximat: wpa services are provided by wpa_supplicant independently from the kernel or ndis driver. wpa_supplicant is a higher protocol layer [16:20] macavity: thanks for saying I am stupid.... [16:20] deximat: i am not saying you are stupid.. but so far you have not sounded exactly keen on the prospect of compiling kernels [16:20] <_abc_> deximat: fyi i had to run ndiswrapper until 2.6.30+ then ath5k suddenly started working [16:21] deximat: let alone hunting down patches from other distroes [16:21] deximat: another approach is to see what kind of settings the AP supports [16:21] <_abc_> also a zydas usb stick if i used sometimes had its driver botched by bit rot and no longer works in newer kernels... [16:21] it means it filters out the vlan frames and sorts it to the "virtual devices" and everything not tagged passes so it should work [16:21] deximat: can you set the maximum frame lenght to something smaller? [16:22] but thats just theory never tried it [16:22] <_abc_> Immundus: ? [16:22] deximat: can you up tweak the fagment level? [16:22] <_abc_> Immundus: oh i think i get it. so you're saying vlans are really independent if's ? [16:22] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:22] yes [16:22] <_abc_> and vlan1 happens to be the same as the default 'baseband' eth ? [16:22] no they should be different [16:23] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:23] it differentiates between tagged packets and non tagged packets [16:23] <_abc_> the only hitch would be that most tools which expect eth iface names can choke on vlan notation. [16:23] <_abc_> e.g. dhcpd [16:23] <_abc_> and many others [16:23] yes that can happen [16:24] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [16:24] <_abc_> wow i need to build a test case and test all the resulting combinations. my head complains [16:24] the question is what happens to tagged packets that dont have a corresponding device to them... [16:25] macavity: explain [16:25] deximat: i think i just did.. [16:25] <_abc_> Immundus: well it's ethernet they just vanish. but i can see them on the raw if with tcpdump [16:26] <_abc_> Immundus: so they can be caught [16:26] deximat: it bitches about the jumbo frames.. so, can you tell the AP to only use smaller frames? [16:26] macavity: sentence that finishes with ? is not an explonation... [16:26] <_abc_> Immundus: i assume that tcpdump sets the if promisc flag and then everything coming that way is visible [16:27] why not set the interfaces up normally and use ipforwarding between the 2 interfaces [16:27] macavity: how should I tell it? [16:27] deximat: no, they are questions :P if you can get the AP to use more conservative settings you may not have to patch/use madwifi or ndiswrapper [16:27] <_abc_> Immundus: but i have the *strong* imprression that vlan1 is one and the same with raw by default [16:27] one would have to look at the networking code to be sure [16:27] deximat: like, connect to the APs web interface and configure it? [16:27] deximat: do you have a manual for the AP? [16:27] <_abc_> Immundus: i am looking at tcpdump captures and a device with vlan1 set definitely works on a non-vlan net [16:28] deximat: have you read it? does it say anything about frame sizes and fragmentation levels? [16:28] okay then your probably right [16:28] <_abc_> i don't know whether this is a freak coincidence or not. Another hint: none of the texts on vlan setup ever sets vlan1 [16:28] deximat: you want to tune down the frame size if you can, and you want to allow as much package/frame fragmentation as possible [16:28] macavity: no I havent... [16:29] macavity: just a min [16:31] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left ##slackware. [16:31] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] TheSecret (i=TheSecre@ip72-204-145-159.no.no.cox.net) left irc: [16:32] TheSecret (i=TheSecre@ip72-204-145-159.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] TheSecret (i=TheSecre@ip72-204-145-159.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:32] <_abc_> Immundus: ok, i retract the vlan1 == raw statement. still vlan1 seems to have problems with various switches (which *may* interpret vlan1 as raw) [16:32] Action: fredoslack love Michael Jackson [16:32] <3 <3 <3 [16:32] <_abc_> the more i read the less i know [16:33] <_abc_> fredoslack: necrophiliac [16:33] fredoslack: and if you are like 7 years old, Michael Jackson also loves you [16:33] <_abc_> lol [16:33] Action: macavity runs [16:33] lol [16:33] nand (n=nand@188.24.79.213) joined ##slackware. [16:33] well that would depend on the switches some could just internally retag everything coming in if configured that way [16:34] depends if they are managed [16:34] macavity: nothing slimilar [16:34] <_abc_> Immundus: i don't know 802.11q is almost never used in soho and very frequently in business and voip. i'd expect soho routers to have bugs in that area [16:34] _abc_, are you mixing Cisco and non-Cisco equipment? Cisco gear doesn't tag Vlan1 iirc. [16:34] (but you can tell it to) [16:34] deximat: well.. wait for antiwire [16:35] <_abc_> hcfd: i know, that is also one of the issues, because cisco CDP frames show that they have vlan on but it is vlan 1 and it is *not* vlan ... [16:35] deximat: or try figuring out if ndiswrapper is more stable [16:35] Action: _abc_ goes back to the wall and whacks his head against it some more [16:35] deximat: we are really at the end of what i have experience with [16:35] _abc_, just throwing that in. I haven't been following the whole conversation :) [16:35] <_abc_> hcfd: thanks anyway [16:36] _abc_, sorry I can't be of more help [16:36] deximat: just be prepared to do some homework if antiwire helps you.. his patience is a little shorter than mine (and his skill set quite a bit bigger) [16:36] ok [16:36] g2g [16:36] thanks anyway [16:36] bye [16:37] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: "Changing server" [16:37] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [16:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:38] <_abc_> also apparently the linux eth if will simply interpret vlan1 tagged frames (and any other vlan tagged frames) as plain when the 8021.ko module is not loaded [16:38] Action: _abc_ goes back to the wall and whacks his head against it some more [16:38] _abc_, are you having trouble using vlans or is it that you don't want to use any at all? Native vlan should NOT be vlan1, although vlan1 will still be used for inter-switch communication iirc [16:38] _abc_ yes when the module isnt loaded it will do that [16:38] <_abc_> hcfd: i need to set up an if to 'catch' a misconfigured device and bring it back to the flock by reconfiguration [16:39] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] Yes, vlan1 tagged frames sort of exist for backwards compat [16:39] _abc_, define misconfiguration? [16:39] <_abc_> hcfd: hardware device set up wrong by using a wrong flash config [16:40] <_abc_> and i need to do this on an on-going basis (un-attended). i wrote some quite nice parsers in bash today ^^ [16:40] _abc_, sorry, that's a bit vague for me. What would the telltale signs be..? What kind of hardware exactly? [16:40] <_abc_> hcfd: among others voip phones and other small interface [16:40] <_abc_> +s [16:40] It sounds like you're trying to do something way over my head, but I follow so far anyways.. [16:40] <_abc_> hmm [16:41] <_abc_> it's over my head for now too but the problem is lacking documentation not lacking skills [16:41] Okay. VoIP phones generally have switches in them (well, Cisco ones do, not all do) [16:41] Right [16:41] But I don't understand your current problem [16:41] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:41] So let's say the hardware device in question is a VoIP phone, no switch, just a standard eth if [16:42] <_abc_> it's hard to explain. just consider someone somewhere is in the habit of 'configuring' stuff he should not and then i have to make it work again [16:42] What kind of misconfiguration are you trying to catch and how are you trying to catch it? [16:42] That someone should be blocked from changing the config. [16:42] End of story. [16:42] <_abc_> ignore switches, there is an existing network and i have to find a solution on one of the servers on that net to 'catch' misconfigured devices, flag them, and then do things to them [16:42] Damage reversal is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion. [16:43] Well, what configuration?! [16:43] <_abc_> hcfd: i am looking for a peaceful solution ... [16:43] IP address? [16:43] No. You need the right solution. Deny them access to configuration [16:43] <_abc_> hcfd: ip, vlan#, gw, flash update (t)ftp server [16:43] <_abc_> these are all stored in flash [16:44] Are you talking about a router here? [16:44] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:44] <_abc_> and the someone(s) is/are clueless, they plug the devices into other networks and then back and expect them to work [16:44] I'm so confused because you aren't giving me a concrete example. Specify. [16:44] <_abc_> hcfd: you said cisco phones, say a cisco phone. [16:44] You want dynamic VLAN assignment, ie: port independent? [16:45] You can do that with 802.1x and RADIUS/LDAP (or LEAP iirc) [16:45] Set the switch to dynamic vlan assignment [16:45] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:45] <_abc_> it will be typically coming from a call manager setup (on another net). this results in weird config like dhcp on, vlan on (!!), and looking for a fixed tftp server which is on another net [16:45] Use 802.1x to authenticate [16:45] <_abc_> there is no radius [16:45] Well, whoever is doing that - with the current network config - is patently an arsehole. [16:45] <_abc_> on this net [16:46] icarus (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] However, you, if you are the network admin, and if you must provide them with a means to do what they're trying to do, should use 802.1x [16:46] <_abc_> hcfd: they just plug the device in elsewhere and a novice admin clicks on the call manager to config it [16:46] End of story I think. [16:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@nat65.mia.three.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:46] macavity: but I cant figure it out why does it work with wicd :s [16:46] <_abc_> as far as they are concerned it's just another phone. [16:46] _abc_, quit wasting your time. [16:46] You're looking for a hack when the problem is administration. [16:47] <_abc_> hcfd: sorry i have to nail this [16:47] No you don't. [16:47] You need to sort out your policy [16:47] <_abc_> yes i do. and more importantly i have to prove it that it is as i say [16:47] glue the phone to the tables [16:47] <_abc_> hehe [16:47] If security isn't an issue you can drop the radius/802.1x part [16:47] <_abc_> it's not just phones [16:47] Just use dynamic vlan assignment based on MAC filtering [16:47] _abc_, is security an issue? [16:47] <_abc_> no [16:48] Right [16:48] Easy solution [16:48] Tell your switches to use dynamic assignment [16:48] <_abc_> i don't want to mess with 802.11x [16:48] <_abc_> and the only relevant switch is a slackware box on that net [16:48] <_abc_> (the one i have access to not the one they are tinkering with) [16:49] MAC DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE goes to VLAN 20, MAC FF:EE:EE:DD:BE:EF goes to VLAN 21, etc. [16:49] DE:AD:BE:EF:CA:FE [16:49] How many interfaces on the Slack bnox? [16:49] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:49] s/bnox/box [16:49] <_abc_> one so far but there might be two later [16:49] One interface does not a switch make. [16:50] <_abc_> there is only so much magic i can do [16:50] You're doing it wrong, that's why. [16:50] <_abc_> hcfd: there is a simple router elsewhere [16:50] <_abc_> ok, let's stop here [16:50] <_abc_> i have to nail this and it revolves around correct info on vlan behavior [16:50] <_abc_> i will spend most of tomorrow setting up a test case and seeing that it works [16:50] Grand. I'd suggest an actual switch than can do dynamic vlan assignment, and then you will have no problem. [16:50] yop-lait (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:50] <_abc_> budget... [16:51] deximat: what? [16:51] deximat: it works consistantly with wicd? [16:51] Hey if you want to reinvent the wheel, more power to you. I just don't think what you're trying is worth the time when teams of better men have devised the correct solution for you (and I) [16:51] .... [16:51] Action: hcfd gets back to work [16:51] deximat: as in, it has worked consistabtly with wicd from the very beginning? [16:51] macavity: yes for now... [16:51] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:51] deximat: it would have been *very* nice to had known that from the very beginning...... [16:52] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] macavity:got any ideas? [16:52] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.76.223) joined ##slackware. [16:52] deximat: yes, that it is a PEBKAC if it works with wicd, but not when you do it manually [16:53] macavity, classic case [16:53] Nick change: yop-lait -> [yop] [16:54] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:54] macavity: what should I do? [16:54] use wicd [16:55] or set it up to use wpa_supplicant in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [16:55] it cant go wicdless? [16:55] err [16:55] .conf [16:55] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [16:56] i belive your AP *requires* you to re-negotiate every 15 minutes [16:56] and the classic wireless tools doesnt support this [16:56] but wpa_supplicant is, like dhcpcd, a running deamon [16:56] thus it takes care of keeping the connection alive [16:57] wicd uses wpa_supplicant even for non-encrypted setups [16:57] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [16:57] thus, if wicd can do it, wpa_supplicant can do it [16:57] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.23.52) joined ##slackware. [16:57] macavity [16:57] nice [16:57] thanks [16:57] Channel flood from deximat -- kicking [16:57] I will try that [16:57] deximat kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:57] lol [16:57] >_< [16:58] D3lahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:59] who is on an upto date -current, uses KDE, and is willing to see if fish:// was broken on them with the last update too? [17:00] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:00] Nick change: D3lahunt -> Delahunt [17:00] oye (n=oye@84.120.132.229.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: [17:00] not that it matters all that much, since sshd also starts sftp [17:00] _abc_ it seems that the first thing the kernel does is check if a vlan tag is present [17:00] <_abc_> Immundus: ok, thanks. even if 8021.ko is not loaded? [17:01] alienBOB: thanks for the help on booting flash disk. I use the usb2disk.sh then specify the directory from my pen drive. quite nice. still my pendrive is usable for data storage [17:01] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:01] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] _abc_ I dont see any ifdefs so it checks it but im not sure what it does if it finds them [17:03] <_abc_> ok, thanks [17:03] how does one start KMS immediately on the generic kernel? I've tried building i915 and intel_agp into the initrd, but it still doesn't work until X is already done loading. I've also added i915.modeset=1 to lilo's append line, and no luck [17:03] <_abc_> it will be done by trial and error [17:04] still thrice` ?????? [17:04] i could've fixed that if you asked me ;D [17:04] <_abc_> Immundus: any idea if i can set up a vlan on an aliased if ? [17:04] lol in a drunken mood yesterday [17:04] i've bitten the bullet and ordered and payed for a macbook pro [17:04] goarilla, die [17:05] you bought it brand new, from apple? [17:05] yes [17:05] i did [17:05] how much total [17:05] tax ? [17:05] it was 1599 EURO tax inclusif [17:05] hmm no ive only aliased vlans before never tried the other way around [17:05] i did add some ... stuff [17:05] oh [17:05] like ram and ssd hd [17:05] i was gonna say if you were int he u.s. [17:05] ebay - the ebay dollars - 8% live ashback [17:05] cashback [17:06] <_abc_> Immundus: I have 16 different cases to cover in my test. it will be a full day [17:06] jeev: i was 2 drunk to do my research into the cheapest price [17:06] gay [17:06] <_abc_> ok, I stop here. thankd for the help [17:06] um, too drunk to realize 1599 EUR is retarded? [17:06] but i'm glad i was i have been playing with the thought of buying a notebook either a mac or a lenovo for about a year [17:06] thrice`, that's why i dont drink! [17:06] <_abc_> don't drink and purchase [17:07] what's retared about it thrice` [17:07] friends dont let friends buy mac [17:07] friends dont let friends drink and order online [17:07] i maybe pay a lot of money but it's a done deal [17:07] you can't cancel? [17:07] if i didn't do it 3 years from now i still won't have a notebook [17:07] too pricey, I think peresonally. but if you've got the money to blow [17:07] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] CrYpTo (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-178.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Nick change: CrYpTo -> Guest40880 [17:07] i did i saved 15 k in 2 years [17:08] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-148-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] 15k in two years is terrible [17:08] <_abc_> ? [17:08] which is a lot if you knew what i was making [17:08] euro jeev [17:08] buy a house or something [17:08] <_abc_> you can't buy a house with 15k [17:08] a hourse is 250 k euro [17:08] house* [17:08] you can buy jeev's mom 1500 times for that [17:09] she ain't my type [17:09] 2 cheap ;) [17:09] and a man [17:09] dolphin77 (n=dolphin7@klient-32-111.hol.net.ua) joined ##slackware. [17:09] thrice`: dont forget the austridge! :P [17:09] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: "leaving" [17:09] and i really looking forget to Mac OS X [17:09] forward* [17:09] macavity, do you use the generic kernel + kms? [17:10] you did say you were drunk [17:10] just need to find a way to dual boot slack 13 [17:10] thrice`: home brew [17:10] yes i was drunk [17:10] my mom beat the fed and took her price up to avoid the dollar going down even more and beat inflation [17:10] na, kidding; die in a fire. [17:10] bbiab [17:10] thrice`: i belive that in -current kernel it is enabled, but not by default [17:11] will be funny tho [17:11] macavity@rogue:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf [17:11] options i915 modeset=1 [17:11] a dual core mac vs ... a celeron 600 [17:11] thrice`: ^^ that works on Pat V kernels [17:11] macavity, indeed; which is silly, since xorg needs it to even start these days [17:11] macavity, that loads instantly? my i915 module doesn't get modprobed until X starts, or something [17:12] thrice`: mail him about it.. or just wait untill he upgrades to 7.5 and finds out the hard way :P [17:12] Guest40880 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-178.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [17:12] do you guys build your own Xorg's ? to test that ? [17:12] thrice`: yeah, that doesnt give you the nice console untill X starts [17:12] thrice`: but from there on it does when you vt-switch [17:12] goarilla, no, the intel driver removed all user-mode stuff recently, and depends on kms [17:13] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.19.200) joined ##slackware. [17:13] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] hi all. Are there any packages of KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Release Candidate 1 around? [17:13] that's ... fast tty switching [17:13] iirc [17:13] why would pat package rc's dolphin77 ? [17:14] dolphin77: alienBOB has made some. see his blog [17:14] is KMS possible with the nvidia or ati closed source stuff [17:15] i don't mean now i mean ... does it allow blobs ? [17:15] it allows them [17:15] but i dont know if they are actually using it yet [17:16] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:16] you want to know something else [17:16] it's a qwerty keyboard :D [17:16] Can somebody recommend a simple DVD player for Slackware? [17:16] sahk0: thnks. goarilla: I didn't mean so official packages. Just want to try when will have some time. I am still choosing 'best de' for my needs. [17:16] vlc Yivz [17:16] Thank you. [17:17] what's wrong with xfce dolphin77 ? [17:17] you won't be after you find out what it is [17:17] although installing vlc is much better then its ever been [17:17] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Skywise: i would have said mplayer [17:18] but vlc has better dvd handling, menus and stuff [17:18] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [17:19] goarilla: probably nothing is wrong with xfce. I just want to choose by my own what will make me feel more comfortable. abt 10 years ago I was very happy with windowmaker. But a lot has changed since then... [17:19] thats not a DE [17:19] goar, nothing wrong with xfce, he just wants kde [17:19] no he wants to try all the DE's iirc [17:19] that means he'll try dropline as well [17:19] goarilla, Do I need other decoders or the one offered here suffices? http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [17:20] "any packages of kde 4.4 around" "what's wrong with xfce" [17:20] doesn't compute [17:20] be aware tho dolphin77 ... you'll need to configure it a lot more than a WM to suit your needs [17:20] maybe you should try a distro with a good KDE experience [17:20] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:21] Yivz: i think vlc uses part of ffmpeg [17:21] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. 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[18:21] yup [18:22] could you picture evis on stage as an old fart today? lol, old, wrinkled and grizzled looking still kickin' it with the kids [18:22] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [18:23] that's how he looked at 34 [18:23] im trying to get lamp setup in slackware following instructions from : http://stanley-garvey.com/lamp1.php . it told me to run command '/usr/bin/mysqld_safe &' as user mysql, but i got this error message: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)'. Anyone know how to fix this? [18:24] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:24] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:25] yeah, elvis was looking a little rough towards the end, all that good livin got the best of him [18:25] fxer (n=fxer@c-bd02e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:26] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:28] of course i thought you were speaking about the editor [18:28] Action: Camarade_Tux buys himself a life [18:30] ComputerNoobie, read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld, it has instructions on setting itself up. [18:32] slava_dp: thanks [18:33] ComputerNoobie, welcome :) slackware is all about doing it by hand. but this way you know how it works on the inside. [18:34] ComputerNoobie, to enable php, uncomment the include line at the end of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf and you are done. 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[18:39] so i did cat /etc/passwd | grep mysql, and its there, but the start up script is false [18:40] ComputerNoobie, the startup script is not false. [18:40] mysql:x:27:27:MySQL:/var/lib/mysql:/bin/false [18:40] oh. ignore it. [18:40] ok [18:41] Shuren (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:41] ComputerNoobie, don't start daemons by hand as your howto suggests. use /etc/rc.d/rc."daemon" start or stop. [18:42] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:42] i. e. /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start [18:42] Aristocle (n=Aristocl@host-84-222-67-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [18:43] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Nick change: Jimmen -> Shuren [18:45] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [18:45] to install initial database, it says to run this command as root: mysql_install_db --user=mysql [18:45] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Aristocle (n=Aristocl@host-84-222-67-218.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [18:45] ComputerNoobie: jsut run mysql_install_db [18:45] yeah i did that one [18:45] and it works [18:46] then chown -R mysql:mysql /var/libmysql [18:46] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.92.216) joined ##slackware. [18:47] it says this: chown: cannot access `/var/libmysql': No such file or directory [18:47] Nick change: Echoes -> ech [18:47] su first [18:48] i'm already as root, although i didn't su [18:48] my prompt is root [18:48] root@slackware [18:48] oh sorry [18:48] typo [18:48] chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql [18:49] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] ok that works [18:50] thanks :p [18:50] should start now [18:50] Is there a strong reason why path is set in /etc/zprofile rather than /etc/zshenv? [18:50] set your password and such once its started [18:51] nice, thanks scuzz [18:51] np [18:52] hey slava_dp, you said don't start daemons by hand as the howto suggests, are you saying don't start daemons by using commands like /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start [18:53] Inacio (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Inacio (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:53] i'm saying it's time to go to bed for me. 2 o'clock past midnight :( [18:54] hahah [18:54] where do u live? [18:54] as soon as you go to sleep the underpants gnomes will steal your underware [18:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] what if he doesnt wear underpants [18:54] Pig_Pen: oh noes, I'm about to go to sleep :o [18:55] then they aready hit his house [18:55] rofl!!! [18:55] Pig_Pen, oh noes [18:55] hcfd (n=fed@host86-140-249-96.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] x_x [18:57] Immundus (n=obi@e179136254.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:57] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [18:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] What I meant was if I set the path var in .zshenv provided $SHLVL is 1, /etc/zprofile overwrites this for any interactive shell. Might it be better to set the path in /etc/zshenv under the same circumstance rather than overwriting the user's setting of path? [19:03] alice (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:05] hcfd (n=fed@host86-140-249-96.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [19:09] matu (n=matu@client80-83-41-118.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [19:11] how possible/difficult would it be to have a slackware box connect to 2 separate networks at the same time, lets say one wired and one wifi, and shunt all traffic over a specified port range to use on NIC and the rest go through the other [19:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Nick change: antiwire -> Guest42609 [19:16] Possible, Fenix-Dark [19:16] Look at ip route [19:17] and iptables [19:17] iptabes is a firewall, no? [19:17] Inacio (i=1000@64.173.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Yes but it can analyse traffic and direct accordingly [19:18] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [19:18] I'm not sure of the commands you need, but look at those two utils [19:18] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving." [19:19] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Nick change: Guest42609 -> antiwire [19:19] I think I executed a bad chmod or chown command and now only root can log into my system. [19:19] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [19:20] and even then it must be into rl3 since rl4 has not input abilities [19:20] antiwire: Maybe partition fail to mount? [19:21] Disk full? [19:21] when I try to log in as a user I get: "Warning: add_groups invalid argument" and on a new line "Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied" [19:21] root can log in [19:21] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-76-254-61-195.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [19:23] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] Inacio (i=1000@64.173.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Client Quit [19:25] antiwire: check the permissions on the file to see ? [19:26] antiwire: ouch, doesn't sound good. [19:26] matu (n=matu@client80-83-41-118.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:26] andarius: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 663K 2007-05-10 15:19 /bin/bash* [19:26] I have no idea what happened. [19:26] check permissions on /tmp and /var/tmp [19:27] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 803320 2008-09-21 11:56 /bin/bash <-- from my server [19:27] what about /usr/bin/bash ? [19:28] well, thats a link so... [19:28] lrwxrwxrwx root root [19:28] yeah [19:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [19:29] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] after logging in as root, can you su to the user and accomplish the basics ? [19:29] andarius: nope, su is broken [19:29] If I su to a user from root i get the same error [19:29] for root? yeah, sounds like some permissions fun or something nasty [19:31] I hate our topic. :/ [19:31] antiwire: can you access /home/someuser ? [19:31] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/cannot-execute-binbash-permission-denied-33216/ [19:31] IRC is totally the place for learning the basics. [19:31] deximat: ? [19:31] Can you do chmod as root? /#chmod -r 777 * :p [19:31] deximat: root can do anything [19:32] antiwire: can you try? [19:32] deximat: try what? [19:32] antiwire: for example ls -l /home/user/Desktop [19:32] If you had an ls -lhr from / recently you could diff it and see what permissions have changed? [19:32] root can navigate anywhere [19:32] antiwire: it can if everything is fine [19:33] dude [19:33] Looks like users lost suid rights to a binary needed to get the proper permissions but not sure what. [19:33] dartmouth: you learn the basics by reading the provided documentation. Then you come here for help on the things that you do not grasp [19:33] gm152: I think that's the deal too but I stracing su doesn't show me much [19:33] If you want me to spoon-feed you, you may start paying my my hourly fee [19:34] antiwire: Do you have /home as separated partition? [19:34] deximat: no [19:35] antiwire: thanks [19:35] antiwire: you have not poked at the users UID have you? [19:35] antiwire, would it be worth cat'ing every file in /etc to see which have add_groups in it? Or are you sure it's a binary permissions fault? [19:35] and does this happen for all users? tried a new user? [19:35] andarius: I tried making a new user, which builds correctly but the new user has the same error upon login [19:36] I am certain this is a perms issue somewhere [19:36] But you get two lines of error [19:36] One before the error [19:36] hcfd: yes [19:36] The first line is the key to the second [19:36] So what's the add_groups: invalid argument about? [19:36] I presume it's called from an rc in /etc..? [19:37] I mean is there any chance one of your config files isn't what it should be? [19:37] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [19:38] antiwire: Lingshot but what does ls -l /bin/su show? [19:38] -rws--x--x 1 root root 32K 2009-07-31 19:07 /bin/su* [19:38] Longshot [19:38] OK, not that. [19:38] I mean, it looks ok. [19:38] antiwire: so this whole DC doing down has been a nightmare dude.. So far for the pay period i've put in over 140 hours in. [19:38] I concur [19:39] antiwire: in the thread I posted a link to the solution was the permissions on some of the dirs in / [19:39] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] there is also this for some good reading --> http://linuxgazette.net/issue52/okopnik.html [19:39] antiwire, is my suggestion outright wrong or is it worth looking into? [19:40] antiwire: look at your bash history to see exactly what you did so you can maybe trace it down to a specific file with the wrong permissions [19:40] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] one thought is if you have a shell log, perhaps you can find the offending command and correct it :) [19:40] like Pig_Pen said [19:40] I know it was a flawed chown or chmod [19:41] antiwire, did you add any of your users to a new group? [19:41] hcfd: nope [19:41] Oh. [19:41] Well if you're 100% certain, then Pig_Pen's suggestion is the best way to find the mistake. [19:41] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [19:41] alienBOB, we disagree on the best way to learn. [19:42] greetings andarius:) [19:42] dartmouth: IRC is a good place to learn, but this channel is not meant to teach you the *basics* [19:43] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Action: danc3 agrees with alienBOB [19:43] alienBOB: agreed [19:44] dartmouth, I think alienBOB is right: if you can't find the docs and teach yourself, then there's no point in trying to learn from someone else. Surely this is the whole point of having docs. Moreover, if someone has to hold your hand, well, let them do it for you (and pay for the privilege). I think this chan is here to help if and when you understand 90% of what you're doing but can't grok the remaining 10%. A fresh pair [19:44] of eyes, really. [19:44] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] Sorry, I can't feed into the self absorbed pretence involved in turning people away who may not know any better so that I can feel good about that girl in high school who dumped me for another guy. [19:45] that has to be the dumbest and most unrelated comment I have seen in a while [19:46] ^ example [19:47] umm, and what exactly do you know about me? [19:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] ohh wait, nothing [19:48] Well it comes from dartmouth which explains it [19:48] yes [19:48] ^ example [19:48] I think he keeps point due to envy [19:49] would reinstalling the etc package fix the perms of files in their locations? [19:50] only the files in that package I think, and the dirs containing them [19:50] I just think we've gone very, very far away from where our ideals started out when the OSS community started. We're not even the same community, we're a masturbatory fork of it. [19:50] I'm going to pastebin an strace of su [19:51] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] dartmouth: sure [19:51] anyone see something glaring? I'm at a loss http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/VLjZcG96.html [19:52] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:52] dartmouth, are you drunk? [19:52] thrice`, i have a beer or two in me :) [19:52] lol, I guess that makes it a little better, but ;) [19:53] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:53] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:53] yeah, yeah, I'm the asshole. Sorry, I just feel very strongly about this still. We should not be turning newbies away by policy if we're not going to provide very detailed research procedures to follow to allow us to help them. [19:54] *yawn* stfu [19:54] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] And you wonder why most linux-friendly software vendors don't support our community.... [19:54] >>-- mancha [19:54] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:55] I sincerely doubt that has anything at all, to do with how the "community" is seen. [19:55] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [19:55] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:55] BP{k}, really? How long has it been since you've tried to wein a newbie onto slack? [19:56] Picture, for a second, the experience of a person with no background trying to get help here. [19:56] Minus the elitist attitude. [19:56] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:56] that's not slack's audience [19:56] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Yes it sure as hell is. [19:56] For those who work with logon scripts for windows computers, never ever add in "NET USE * /DELETE /Y". I wanted to make sure that some of the new mappings i was adding weren't going to get blocked by a persistent user mapped drive. [19:56] that's why distros like ubuntu exist [19:56] I'm not sure why, but even being at the top of the script it was still deleting all the mappings. [19:57] thrice`, really? ubuntu is a 'learning' distro? That is crap and you know it's crap. [19:57] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:57] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:57] no, it's not. ubuntu's goal is to make linux as easy as possible for people to switch [19:57] dartmouth: I don't. Never have to begin with. And I doubt I will start any time soon. I assume that people who want to learn slackware, are smart enough to have some clue in how to read, google, research and ask questions. [19:57] maybe someone should create ##slackware-whine [19:57] 'easy as possible to switch' but not 'easy to learn'. [19:57] dartmouth: if I hire someone in an IT support role, one of the questions I ask them is "What do you do after you had to answere the same question for the 10th time?" If they do not answer something like "I'll document it in a FAQ" they will not be hired [19:58] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:58] alienBOB, that attitude is why all people think their IT guy is an ass. Human relations take precedence over all occupational and social roles. [19:59] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:59] The correct answer is 'you answer it again and then refer them to the faq' [19:59] dartmouth: you obviously never had to work in an IT environment [19:59] alienBOB, that's the smartest thing anyone's said here in the past fifteen minutes [19:59] alienBOB, actually, I have. [19:59] I expect you'll be fired anytime soon then [19:59] Well that is a bit harsh [20:00] Catch yourself. [20:00] I will not catch you for sure [20:00] alienBOB; after the 10th time, I think it's time to break out a LART then, it should be documented by the the 3rd-5th time. ;-) [20:00] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] this is so not cool [20:01] I'm freaking stuck ;) [20:01] if there is an infrastructure in place (hw or sw) such that you're getting bombarded by users with the ame question, then said infrastructure sucks. [20:01] BP{k}: the dartmouth's of the world will wreck havoc after having been squeezed out - in the US, they will bring a gun to work and start shooting coworkers. That is how I see it [20:02] alienBOB, the dartmouths of the world sign your paycheck. [20:02] lol [20:03] I'll give you my back account number them [20:03] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Don't be shy, give generously [20:03] i'll take your visa number [20:03] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:04] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "wonder what the fuck happens when i push this button..." [20:04] What you just did was prove my point about how the entire social consciousness in that fork is self-masturbatory; the career is chosen as that outlet as opposed to it being necessary like you claim. As someone so enlightened about human communication (the original purpose of IT), you sure have screwed that bit up about it, haven't you? The smartest idiot around. [20:04] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:04] actualy, the fella that signs mine says if you have to tell them morethan twice, their done [20:05] though I am not in IT and never will be [20:05] dartmouth: sure [20:06] the guys that hire tell me if i don't be friendly to customers/collegues *I* am done. [20:06] must be in customer service ;) [20:06] cteg, that's because you're not an artifact IT member and are probably necessary to have around. [20:07] developer with contact to customers. [20:07] dartmouth: and your contributions to the OSS community were.. what again? [20:07] nope, if he was necessary they wouldnt tell him that [20:07] dartmouth, maybe the true lies inbetween. You've gotta draw the line. As BP{k} said, it should be documented by the 5th time, and if users still can't deal with it, as mancha says, the problem is in the system.. not how the IT person answers the users' questions [20:07] s/true/truth [20:07] hcfd, well definitely; but here we are, still answering questions that have been asked many times and blaming the users instead of our ability to present information to them. [20:08] And, when complaints rise, we insult theintelligence of the users instead of admitting our own failure to get how we do things across. [20:08] e.g. Eric [20:08] dartmouth: you have not understood anything at all of what is being discussed here [20:08] ^ direct hilarious example [20:08] dartmouth, Ubuntu fits a certain crowd, Slackware fits a different crowd. I think that is reflected in both communities..by virtue of self-selection. [20:09] Demonio666 (n=Demonio6@host101.190-225-2.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:09] I am not unsulting the users of IT systems, I am insulting you [20:09] alienBOB, sure. [20:09] Heh [20:09] this is not 1975, this is 2010. customer, internal or external, is king. he has a point. but people in this channel are not hired supporters. [20:09] Good answer [20:09] cteg: exactly [20:09] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:10] wait, you mean Im not going to get paid to be here? crap :( [20:10] Nick change: Demonio666 -> Emiliano008 [20:10] lol [20:10] andarius, because monetary compensation is the only reason any of us should contribute or belong. [20:10] and people here are bored getting asked about how to create a user account. [20:11] and the like [20:11] yup [20:11] s/bored/annoyed [20:11] cteg, i totally agree, and that's why the whole community should split into forks [20:11] dartmouth, you are a very bad example, as you have received more help in here than most [20:11] dartmouth, do you believe that someone who is self-taught and capable SHOULD hold the hand of someone who is incapable of teaching themselves? Again we're talking about the basics here. Amongst peers, discussion is two-way and everyone involved benefits. Someone with experience teaching someone without, well, there's little reward in that. If you want to donate your time for the good of others.. join UNICEF. [20:12] thrice`, definitely; I've also helped in here a great deal, too, and I've spent most of that time helping newer users. [20:12] hcfd, i absolutely do. [20:12] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Connection timed out [20:12] dartmouth, oh okay. I don't believe that. Who else here is aligned with dartmouth's view? [20:13] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Emiliano008 (n=Demonio6@host101.190-225-2.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:13] http://strangeliferecords.blogspot.com/2010/01/theme-from-shinobi.html [20:14] which goes back to my earlier point about how the community viewpoint has become a gross bastardization of where it all started and how we're more of a pretentious fork of the OSS community while at the same time we are standing behind some awkwardly inaccurate shield of 'being about freedom of information' [20:15] I see the words, but they do not connect together [20:15] We either need to revert to those ideals or we need to change our stated stance entirely to avoid more hypocrisy. [20:15] Because, I promise, it's killing the community. [20:16] dartmouth, so it'll die, if it's going to die. You can lead a horse to water and all that. [20:16] for starters..someone is under the impression that there is only 1 community.. [20:16] but if you ahve to keep leading it to water, it will die when you leave it alone :o [20:16] dartmouth: you somehow confuse the ideals [20:16] sahk0, most of the people in this one are in most of the others. [20:17] it's not so cut and dry. [20:17] dartmouth, heck, I volunteer my services as a sound engineer and as an IT person to help charities, community groups, disabled persons, etc. but I sure as hell hate to see a LAZY person come on IRC and demand answers to things they can learn by doing and learn by reading. the. fucking. manual. [20:17] vadmeste (n=vadmeste@41.224.194.60) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:17] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] somehow people are harsh, even if you did your homework the best you can. even in this channel. you have one or two smartasses everywhere. [20:18] dartmouth, I think what tends to happen here is that worthy questions get answered. Those that are challenging, those that benefit everyone because in finding their solution we all learn something new. [20:19] The same old basics? Pfft. Forget it. Done and dusted. It's in the book. Google knows. [20:19] s/somehow/sometimes [20:19] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:19] cteg, granted [20:19] When these projects are discontinued and we're all forced to use microsoft operating systems because our distros are no longer being maintained because 'it isnt broken' to someone who knows more about it than we do due to interdisciplinary skills they've picked up, this argument will serve no purpose, and you'll be the rightest of the right. [20:19] omfg. my perms issue is in /lib [20:19] dartmouth: are you at work? [20:19] antiwire: i had such a problem recently. installed a packag with wrong umask [20:20] is there a sane chmod XXX to use in /lib ? 755? [20:20] . /, /lib64, /share/doc... [20:20] yes [20:20] antiwire: yes [20:21] I've only been using linux for a year, Cisco gear for about the same. I found it intimidating coming into the channels here (and other outlets for the respective communities), harsh at times? Yes. But here's the thing, to do anything, you have to do 99.9% of it for yourself, and you have to respect those 'above' you: they learned it the hard way too, by working for it. [20:21] antiwire, good shooting :) [20:21] hcfd, and you think that's the purpose of communication? spending three hours doing something a 1 minute conversation could fix? [20:21] btw, we have some .sh files in /usr/lib/ that are 644?!? [20:21] hcfd: geez, this is a mess [20:22] as i fix file perms I get different errors [20:22] lol [20:22] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] dartmouth, communication has nothing to do with it. It is the way to learn: by doing. [20:22] antiwire: you may want to look at http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/restore_fileperms_from_manifest.sh [20:23] smart [20:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:23] alienBOB: oh man, thank you [20:23] alienBOB: That is bad ass. [20:23] dartmouth, I've been a sound engineer for 10 years. In no shape or form could I communicate or transfer my knowledge, experience, instinct and intuition to you. Not a mission. I acquired my skill by knuckling down and doing. [20:23] antiwire XGizzmo I documented that after it was asked too many times :-) [20:23] That's because sound engineering is easy. [20:23] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.135.6) joined ##slackware. [20:23] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.85) joined ##slackware. [20:23] dartmouth: do not be insulting to sound engineers [20:23] alienBOB: lol [20:23] dartmouth: right. As if. [20:24] dartmouth: it's not easy. [20:24] dartmouth, you can follow all the instructions you want, but if that's all you're doing then you're not learning about a system, you're parroting. You need to spend those 3 hours so that you damn well remember for the next time, and maybe you got sidetracked on the way to your destination.. that's good too: it helps you map out the territory. [20:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@cl-185.mrs-01.fr.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] don't feed the trolls [20:24] Sound engineering is EASY? What? [20:24] Action: hcfd smirks [20:24] hcfd: he is not handicapped by knowledge [20:24] who in here thinks you can 'map out the territory' for all widely used linux package distributions? [20:25] Yeah, real easy. There's nothing to it. No people skills, no technical knowledge, no nothing, just turn it upto 11. [20:25] hcfd: had him on ignore for a long time. Now I recall why. [20:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] there is an 11? crap, that must be what I have beenmissing. I stop at 10 :( [20:25] thumbs, I have just learned the why. :) [20:25] hcfd: sounds about right .. anything that can be turned up to 11 .. is good! ;) [20:25] but... 11 is jsuta unitless number [20:26] Reticenti: no it's better! [20:26] andarius, dang! If you're not getting red lights and clipping you're not pushing the system to its full potential ;) [20:26] tracking... [20:26] Reticenti, that's its beauty. It's magical! [20:26] Action: andarius draws an 11 on his knob :) [20:26] :) [20:27] on his stereo too :o [20:27] .... andarius: please keep that kind of thnig private ;) [20:27] ok ok , bad me, no cookie [20:28] hcfd: I was refering to this comic: http://xkcd.com/670/ [20:29] Reticenti, ooh I hadn't seen that one yet. :D [20:29] crank it up and rip the knob off [20:29] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "movie time!" [20:29] hm since 2.6.32.3 i have sound issues. [20:30] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon122039.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Any audiophiles in here, whilst we're on the topic? [20:30] restore perms script is running. [20:30] hcfd: I sorta am, but not too crazy [20:30] i had wifi issues with 2.6.32.x and wont use a kernel newer than the latest 2.6.31.x [20:30] I'd going ak-47 style on my perms and I love it [20:30] it's* [20:31] Mkman (n=tiago@bl7-1-252.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:31] antiwire, 775 all the way? [20:31] Reticenti, whatcha running? [20:31] looks like it is using 0644 [20:31] antiwire: is it capable of dry running, e.g. just show me wrong parts [20:32] hcfd: nothing, one of the downsides being a poor college student =D [20:33] Reticenti, I used to have a MOTU24I/O system, and talk about clock stability... but now I just have an Envy24 based card and a 'vintage' Pioneer setup, 3 way passive speakers, 200mm woofer, 77mm mid, 66mm tweeter. [20:33] Damn, man [20:33] cool [20:33] I'm a poor college student too [20:33] 200mm woofer, does your wife know what you refer to her as? [20:34] lol [20:34] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:34] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:34] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:34] http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/hcfd/?action=view¤t=27102009138.jpg&newest=1 [20:35] haha [20:35] nice setup [20:35] verticalized screen setup [20:35] three vertical monitors? [20:35] I don't run it very loud, not often, but the amp is very beefy and so it sounds powerful and controlled even at low volumes. MOSFET like.. nothing special. [20:35] Yup. [20:35] It's the best way to pack in the real estate and save on neck pain :) [20:36] wow, nice hcfd [20:36] Also, I don't game, and most of what I do revolves around text of one sort or the other. [20:36] have you heard the 24 bit 5.1 dark side of the moon pink floyd album rip? [20:36] Reticenti, noes? [20:36] do you like pink floyd? [20:37] Thank you deximat. It's 1080x1920 per display. Spacious :) [20:37] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-213-54.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Reticenti, oh I do. I like a lot of things. [20:37] well, this recording is godly [20:37] There's a 24 bit remaster? [20:38] it's a direct rip from the orginals [20:38] hcfd, I would kill for it ;) three times, horisontaly kill ;) You are php programmer? [20:38] I've never had a 5.1... never want one, either [20:38] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:38] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [20:38] deximat, I wouldn't even call myself a programmer, but I've been messing with Java for a year now. [20:39] from what I've read, this rip is considered to be one of the ebst examples of 5.1 and 24 bit music [20:39] so I'm trying to figure out what I did to cause this in the first place if pwd is /home/user and root goes 'chmod 700 .* -R' is that bad? [20:39] yes [20:39] hcfd, its ok... I am more lower lvl liker, pacal, C, not yet in OO things... [20:39] won't .* = .. = everything on / ? [20:39] thrice`: i think so [20:39] Reticenti, awesome source recordings to do it with... still, the 5.1ness doesn't interest me really. The 24 bit does, if it's actually using anywhere close to that resolution. [20:40] i think the .. is exactly what I hit [20:40] Andi_ (n=Andi@201.11.70.113) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:40] well what the command ended up going into [20:40] hcfd: it is at full 24 bit [20:40] oh, sorry, it's 4.1 [20:41] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [20:41] hi folks [20:41] the script alienBOB gave is still doing its magical ak-47 chmod routine [20:41] hexbit (n=alain@156.34.223.30) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Reticenti, that's like saying the black and white line drawing was scanned at 36bit... not only are most 36bit scanners interpolated.. well.. the source is basically 1bit, yeah? So while you might save to a 36 or 24bit format for storage...the effective bittage, or colour depth, is 1 bit + noise/imperfections in the optics and paper. Right? [20:42] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:42] node357 (n=seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] when installing a pkg, doinst.sh is run after files are written to disk, correct? [20:42] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Reticenti, heck, most of your favourite rock albums mastered on 16bit CD-Audio will only utilise maybe 10 bits... 12 bits.. [20:42] Hi. Anyone know how to disable X11 screen blanking? I've disabled DPMS and used xset s off, but the screen still blanks after 5 minutes. [20:42] hcfd: I got it off of what.cd, the audiophile's wet dream of music, i think they know what they're talking about ;) [20:42] node357: is your bios taking over the show? [20:43] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.85) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:43] Reticenti, 4.1 > 5.1.. and imho, 2.1 or 2.0 > * [20:43] antiwire, I'm not sure. Other OS's don't seem to do this. [20:43] ok [20:43] node357: are you using kde? [20:43] yes antiwire, I am. [20:43] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-76-254-61-195.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Success [20:43] node357: check the settings for kde's power manager [20:44] antiwire, I did, and DPMS, etc. is greyed out. [20:44] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("BitchX: There is no reason."). [20:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [20:44] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [20:44] antiwire, sorry. "Enable display power management" is uncheked in KDE settings. [20:44] Very confusing why the screen would still blank out. [20:44] cool [20:45] deximat, I'm liking Java but it gets a bad rep, plus it's not truly portable. I'd rather be coding in C I think, but that'll come in time. I am contemplating working on a T9 project that'll need to be written in C. [20:47] Still doing it. :( [20:47] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: "*" [20:47] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [20:49] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [20:50] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.26.21.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [20:50] antiwire, any other ideas? [20:51] hi. i have a new include dir to use for compiling my c++ projects. i do not remember how to include new include dirs... hmm... g++ -I could define new dirs, but is there a env variable I can set it with? [20:51] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:51] node357: system settings->desktop->screen saver ? [20:52] sahk0, screensaver is disabled. [20:52] matu (n=matu@client80-83-41-118.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [20:53] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [20:54] alienBOB: thanks again. It fixed my noob mess [20:54] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.26.21.getinternet.no) left irc: Client Quit [20:54] diogenes323 (n=diogenes@adsl-99-141-121-246.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] antiwire: perfect! [20:55] Good job. [20:56] it's still running but it has gone through the parts that were screwing up user logins [20:57] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:53) joined ##slackware. [20:57] node357, Control Centre > Peripherals > Display is where you've checked before, yes? [20:57] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.92.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] hcfd, Computer Administration > Display [20:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Oh you're in KDE 4.x? [20:58] hcfd, I think I may have misconfigured DPMS though.. I commented the DPMS line out in xorg.conf, but xset says it's enabled. [20:58] yes hcfd .. Slackware 13 [20:59] I know there are some KDE 3 packages for it, but I figured I could make KDE 4 work. [20:59] xset -dpms [20:59] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Camarade_Tux, >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=55 ;) [20:59] birds, cats [20:59] lol [21:00] Thanks hcfd. xset now says DPMS is off. I'll know in 5 minutes. [21:00] fredoslack: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/yay.jpg [21:00] That's what I'm doing right now [21:00] loooool ananke [21:01] antiwire * oups [21:01] :) [21:01] node357, should be. Hopefully stays off now :) [21:02] antiwire, my cat >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/download/file.php?id=207&mode=view :) [21:02] an orange pussy! [21:03] a clockwork orange pussy? [21:03] that one would have spikes [21:04] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon122039.tstt.net.tt) left irc: "leaving" [21:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [21:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:07] :'( [21:07] http://imagebin.org/79124 heres my kitty [21:07] you have Obama [21:07] We have Sarko [21:07] :'( [21:08] barack me obamadeus [21:09] http://www.kitzophrenic.co.uk/fun/images/wet%20pussy.jpg [21:09] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] interesting title :) [21:09] lol [21:10] ^ ^ [21:10] Here's my bitch of a cat: http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/hcfd/misc/?action=view¤t=cleo0010smaller.jpg [21:10] antiwire: that cat looks like an old drunk [21:10] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] there eems to be an unhealthy channel obsession with cats :) anyone care to give me a 1-line history of this? [21:11] *seems [21:11] I saw others do it.. [21:11] http://s133702574.onlinehome.us/pictures/blog/iatecookiecat.jpg [21:11] shashashooowww stopper! [21:12] nona (n=anon@c-98-210-106-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] nona (n=anon@c-98-210-106-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [21:14] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] epic script is still being epic [21:15] Is there anyway to make it so that dumpcap(run from wireshark) as a normal user will see all of my network interfaces, at the moment it only sees them when its run from root? [21:16] antiwire, do you have a bajillion files? [21:16] hcfd: It's only based off MANIFEST [21:17] but it does it file by file [21:17] Right [21:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [21:17] make dumpcap suid root? dunno [21:17] antiwire, I just would not have expected it to take so long. I mean these are just the default full install files.. and a subset of that, even. /lib? [21:18] just check out how big MANIFEST.bz2 is after you decompress it [21:19] a complete rsync backup is faster [21:19] something is wrong [21:19] no it's not, find is slow [21:19] I don't think anything is wrong [21:19] MANIFEST is ~30MB [21:19] seriously. [21:20] find? [21:20] Eep. [21:20] I guess that's a lot of I/O operations [21:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] I'm guess that's what the script uses. it tries to find EVERY file on his system that exists in the manifest, and re-issues the permission [21:21] while read line; do {...} echo chmod -R $OTHER$OWN$GROUP$ALL /$PATH_NAME && echo chgrp $OWNER_GROUP /$PATH_NAME [21:22] the manifest already has full pathnames [21:22] inside of {..} are the perm [arsers [21:22] So no find then [21:22] antiwire, how much noise is your disk making? :D [21:23] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:24] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Nice, netacad.net is sending me garbage. [21:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:28] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [21:29] giuppy (n=giuppy@host175-168-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] hi folks, is there a pre install routine with slackware pkging? [21:29] you can - slackware accepts a doinst.sh script if it exists in install/ of the package [21:30] doisnt.sh is run post install as far as I know [21:30] yes [21:30] oh, pre. mm, no, not really [21:31] :p [21:31] ardya what an example of stuff that you would do pre-install? [21:31] s/what/what's/ [21:31] mv'ing a file or two before the install writes new files to disk [21:32] eek [21:32] ardya: what files? [21:32] I was going to add new functioanlity and features to an existing pkg, unfortunately, upgrading would simply overwrite them [21:33] that's not how it should work though [21:33] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Connection timed out [21:33] my pkg consists of an init script, and its conf [21:33] the existing files shouldn't be mv'd. they should stay and the new files should named file.new and then the user should be the one to mv [21:33] (plus DOCDIR) [21:34] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [21:34] ardya, you shouldn't need to do anything special for that, just install as .new files as antiwire mentioned [21:34] antiwire: wont work, as certain configuration is IN the files that get overwritten [21:35] ardya other package systems do have pre-install script capability, but you might not need it [21:35] ardya: that is the point of this [21:35] you shouldn't be touching existing files directly [21:35] treat your config file changes as a new config file [21:36] don't look at them as changes inside a file. they are a new file [21:36] not much of an upgrade if the admin has to manually cp over files, re-edit, etc [21:36] that's how it has always worked... [21:36] a package should never overwrite config files on the system [21:36] one way packages have dealt with conf files in slackware is to append a .new to the filename (this can be whatever you'd like it to be) [21:36] otherwise hes not an admin [21:36] its notr just the config file, the init script itself is the key [21:37] same thing [21:37] it' [21:37] it's a new file [21:37] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] at least, that's how slackware does it :) [21:37] is it possible to install slackware on a goose? [21:37] so you recommend using config() on the script installed? [21:38] ardya it would be pretty easy to hack installpkg for this (executes preinst.sh if it exists) [21:38] I know and understand about con files [21:38] conf [21:38] ardya: That is the generally accepted method when it comes to the possibility of overwriting existing files [21:38] mancha: I'm not a programmer [21:39] antiwire: ok, I'll have to look into that [21:39] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware. [21:39] if there is a file collision possibility, a new package has the potential to overwrite a file which exists on the system already, the old file should be left and the new file should be put in place as a .new. I'm not repeating to be a dick though, just to clarify. [21:40] fxer (n=fxer@c-bd02e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [21:40] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [21:41] and we should mention that these are files we would want to keep (aka config files) since the whole purpose of an upgrade of ay firefox is to remove the old firefox binary and add the new firefox binary [21:41] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hexbit (n=alain@156.34.223.30) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:42] Well, for example. I was under the impression that SBo does not allow script which clobber stock files. [21:42] So ff would be a upgrade [21:42] an* [21:43] upgrades overwrite because that is what an upgrade is. the package in question sounds like a stock package being modified. [21:43] that's not exactly an official upgrade [21:43] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-213-54.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [21:44] I ran into this issue when I packaged PAM for Slackware [21:44] I ended up not posting any of it because of the massive collision mess [21:44] antiwire: I understand the concept, and use it for conf files, problem is the other file thats installed is the executable, and needs to be updated to take advantage of the new vars in the conf [21:45] said executable being an init script [21:45] ardya: Was I accurate in guessing that you are working on a stock package? [21:45] well, on slackware, that's typically up to the admin to merge before starting the exec. again [21:45] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3123B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:46] ardya: Ultimately, you can do whatever you want since it's your package and system. The reason I bring up the generally accepted rules are because they minimize collision messes [21:46] i don't understand the distinction stock vs non-stock [21:47] I understand that [21:47] he has a package wants some files overwritten with new ones and wants some conf'ish type files to not be nuked [21:47] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158148001.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:47] mancha: I'm looking at this from the point of view of SBo [21:47] what this has to do with stock files or not is beyond me [21:47] Well then me explaining it is pointless [21:47] *nod* it is [21:48] This is the reason SBo lists no packages that are already part of the official package set. do you understand that much? [21:48] guess I'll have to config() the files, thanks [21:49] oh geez, i thought i avoided this by agreeing it was pointless!! :/ [21:49] fxer (n=fxer@c-bd02e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:49] then what is there to not get about it? [21:49] seriously. [21:49] what don't you get thought? [21:49] -t [21:50] i guess what i don't get is why sbo submission criteria is at all relevant to this fella wo wants to make a package for himself to achieve certain things... [21:50] Yeah right I don't die that easily [21:51] mancha: It's relevant because the SBo point of view takes into account the file collision factor and the factor is exactly what ardya is asking about. [21:51] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-120-238.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [21:52] Now, if he doesn't care about world wide distribution of a package that clobbers stock files then whatever but since he asked I think it makes sense to talk about methods that minimize the collision issues [21:52] my only comment was to qualify this " if there is a file collision possibility...the old file should be left ad the new..." [21:52] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-169-039.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [21:53] it is clearly not ANY file collisions as i have made many packages where the sole intent of trhe new package is to nuke the old files [21:53] so i was pointing out that this needed to be qualified that way. then after that i have no idea what happened which is why i decided to accept your "is this pointless offer" only to find out you were an indian giver... [21:55] -- the end :P [21:55] I just answered you question of "(06:37:29 PM) mancha: i don't understand the distinction stock vs non-stock" [21:55] no you can't end this now [21:57] ok, i'll play (at least until the grill is hot). what does stock vs non-stock have to do with anything? [21:57] The difference of stock vs non-stock is the reason I brought up SBo. He's trying to create a rebuild of a package that is already part of the distribution. if the intent is to not care about that fact then the question is sort of moot [21:58] If he doesn't care about clobbering why mv anything? [21:58] if he does care about clobbering, use .new files. [21:58] i think hi main concern are config things and maybe some customized init scripts [21:58] So... .new files then... [21:59] the executable he admitted he did want clobbered as it had the code to use the new config options available [21:59] if you upgrade a stock package and it has an rc file guess what happens? you get a .new file [21:59] i agree, .new files is probably the smart way to solve his issue [22:00] yes and this also happens with non-stock packages [22:00] indeed [22:00] provided someone makes it happen with config() [22:00] it is not a function of it being stock or it being SBo or whatever. [22:02] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC31155.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:02] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] the fact that he even thought about this demonstrates that he might not want to blow things away [22:03] (that's good) [22:03] i think we're in agreeemet about how best to solve his problem. i still think your comment was too general, i disagree that when there is any file collision potential in a pakcage, the old file must stay and the new file gets .new appendix) [22:03] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] sorry for the all the typos, handlheld with keys about 1/10 the size of my fingertips as well as beer bottles 100 times the size of my fingertips [22:04] hexbit (n=alain@156.34.219.171) joined ##slackware. [22:04] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] my parser is capable of on the fly corrections [22:05] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] thats good becase with this kb i can't promise shakespearean prose [22:07] thou kiddeth! [22:07] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-59-208.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] heya,folks [22:08] ardya: have we succeeded in totally fscking you up? [22:08] not at all [22:08] then let's keep going! [22:08] lol [22:08] :> [22:08] I'll simply put a note in teh doinst that says if you want touse the new features, you HAVE to rename the .new files [22:08] and reconfigure [22:08] ardya: perfect [22:09] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:09] ardya i would be happiest with that, as an end-user of your package [22:09] "If you wish to enable this rootkit you must first rename the config and +x the rc file, Thank you. -Management" [22:09] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:53) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:09] perfect [22:10] hahaha [22:11] btw that permission restore script still running [22:12] woah, something is either a) wrong with the coding asymptotics or b) wrong [22:12] I'm starting wonder myself now [22:13] Alan_Hicks wrote it, blame him :> [22:13] lol [22:13] oh THAT script? [22:13] i heard it i programmed to run until the release of the new slackbook [22:13] Action: mancha ducks [22:14] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:bd) joined ##slackware. [22:15] in other news, all dlink routers since '06 are hackable [22:18] I don't know, MANIFEST does has 350K lines [22:18] have [22:19] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [22:19] a line a second would mean 1.5 hours approx [22:20] I started about 2 hours ago now [22:20] i'm just reacting to the data though, i don't know what script we're talking about :) [22:20] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:21] http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/restore_fileperms_from_manifest.sh [22:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-196.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:21] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [22:22] I'm going to go get a beer and come back. Hopefully it finishes before I kill it. [22:23] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-204.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Thanks for the help everyone, see ya later. [22:25] node357 (n=seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:29] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:37] bucky (n=bucky@173.84.178.101) joined ##slackware. [22:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:47] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-254-89-70.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:bd) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-226-221.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:55] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:56] I just got a usb serial adapter, which I've connected to another computer which doesn't have a monitor. I wish to see whatever ever the other computer is putting out on the serial console. What software do I need to make this connection? (On windows I'd be using PuTTY) [22:57] you can use minicom [22:57] nathanbw: what OS is the other machine running? [22:58] Some custom distribution of linux rolled by intel for use on their ss-4200 NAS box. Apparently you can view the bios configuration screens through the serial port as well. [22:58] I've been following this guide: [22:58] http://ss4200.pbworks.com/Console-Access-via-RS232 [22:59] Putty Config here: http://ss4200.pbworks.com/PuTTY-Settings [22:59] I've got the serial cable installed to the motherboard, and the null modem cable connected to my usb to DB9 serial adapter. [22:59] I just don't how to listen to the serial port [23:00] (or even if slackware detected the off-brand usb/serial adapter correctly) [23:02] Any insight appreciated. andarius: thanks for the tip. Reading the minicom man page now [23:02] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:02] If slackware did detect the usb/serial adapter correctly, would it have created a device under /dev/ ? dmesg doesn't mention much. [23:03] 11 [23:04] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:07] !seen zerocomm [23:12] nathanbw: minicom will do what you need. as for finding out if the usb to serial we detected and loaded, dmesg and lsusb are good places to start. [23:12] yeah, I've been googling my lsusb output [23:13] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "amazingly one can function past the point of mental exhaustion. how well is another matter" [23:13] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:13] vaibhav (n=landy@122.177.204.37) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:17] vaibhav (n=landy@122.177.204.37) left irc: Client Quit [23:19] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-254-89-70.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Peace out ;-)"). [23:20] ah. Driver for the serial adapter isn't in vanilla kernel: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mos7715/ [23:21] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) left irc: Success [23:22] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [23:22] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.112.140) joined ##slackware. [23:26] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] nathan something like /dev/ttyUSB... [23:28] mancha, yeah no dice :-( Can't get the kernel module to compile either [23:29] what usb/serial is it? [23:29] what if I said the script is still running? [23:29] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Reconnecting" [23:29] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:30] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [23:31] It's a Cables Unlimited USB to DB9 Serial and DB25 Parallel Cable. lsusb shows ID 9710:7715 MosChip Semiconductor Printer cable [23:32] and the module mos7720 is available, but after modprobe'ing it, no dice. The adapter came with a driver CD with source for a kernel module, but that fails to compile, and the sourceforge project I linked to above also fails to compile [23:33] nathanbw, wrong gcc? [23:33] It looks like I don't have a file as part of my kernel source? First error message from make is: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory [23:34] ah so an older kernel then [23:34] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:34] So the source is for an older kernel than I have installed? [23:34] yes [23:35] Ah, it's for 2.4 [23:35] I think there's a 2.6 tarball available too [23:37] well if it is pre 2.6.19 then it'll also bork at config.h [23:37] ie a module to be built against pre 2.6.19 that is [23:38] ah, ok. It borked again, no message about config.h though [23:38] that's forward progress, what's the new error? [23:38] oh if they ship source on with their product, don't they have updated source on a website or summit? [23:40] http://pastebin.ca/1745012 [23:40] good thought, I'll check. I'm also checking for news on the sourceforge project. [23:41] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [23:42] nathanbw, mos7720 won't work? /sbin/modinfo mos7720 [23:43] bucky, all I tried was 'modprobe mos7720', unplugging/replugging the adapter, and checking for /dev/ttyUSB [23:43] no luck :-( [23:44] is ut under /dev/ttyACM ? [23:45] is it* [23:45] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:45] does does dmesg show you? [23:45] what! [23:46] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-59-208.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] antiwire, ls /dev/tty* here: http://pastebin.ca/1745019 , dmesg | tail here: http://pastebin.ca/1745021 [23:48] nathan, yep, you're gonna need a new driver [23:48] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-59-208.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] for example, tty locking is no longer done at the usb layer yet your module think it is [23:49] thinks* [23:49] :-( [23:50] Freakin' overpriced piece of junk serial adapter [23:50] Does anyone have a user who is a member of more than 16 system groups? [23:51] nathanbw, /dev/usbdev4.1 ? [23:51] bucky, yes [23:53] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.85) joined ##slackware. [23:53] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.54.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:53] that's what your dmesg says... *shrug* [23:53] So perhaps that's the serial device to connect to with minicom [23:54] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [23:54] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:55] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:57] there's info missing from dmesg [23:57] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] --- Sun Jan 10 2010