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[01:24] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] kytan (~shawn@pool-71-241-197-249.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:25] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.48.41) joined ##slackware. [01:26] kytan (~shawn@pool-64-222-223-43.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:28] MoMo (~drstroker@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.48.41) left irc: Client Quit [01:30] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.48.41) joined ##slackware. [01:35] hi all -- i have a question, I am new to linux and having trouble figuring this out. I am trying to connect my slackware 13 computer to the internet using WiFi ... I have a usb adapter WG111v2 by NetGear .. but the disk they sent with it has no linux drivers. I have no clue where to start -- I can sneakernet CDs [01:36] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.48.41) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:36] you might have to ndiswrapper it [01:36] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:37] MoMo: 64 or 32bit slack? [01:37] mancha -- Is that really complicated, i've got no clue what that means [01:38] basically, if you have no native driver for that usb dongle (and i am not saying it doesn't exist but it might not). then you can use the windows driver with a thing called ndiswrapper (google that). [01:38] it acts as a wrapper to the windows driver. [01:38] cool [01:38] where would i usually search for slackware drivers? [01:39] this is not a slackware specfic thing. you have to search for linux drivers in general [01:39] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:39] oh [01:39] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [01:39] MoMo: also googling for that usb thing and slackware give lots of results :) [01:40] i tried google -- it confused the hell out of me [01:40] MoMo: i think that might be supported by the athros driver added in kernel, hmm, 2.6.30.x or so [01:40] if it is a driver that's mainlined into the kernel, you're golden. if it is a driver that is closed or otherwise not mainlined but provided by the maker you're silver. if you have to ndiswrapper the windows driver you're bronze. [01:40] all of this is new [01:40] do you understand what mancha just said MoMo ? [01:41] well -- i need to research if this driver is supported in the kernel first [01:41] yes [01:42] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:42] how do i tell what kernel i'm using =\ [01:42] uname -r [01:42] uname -a [01:42] or is it already known for 13 [01:42] oh cool [01:42] if you have the default 13 kerenl, its 2.6.29.6 [01:43] MoMo: i do not think it is in the kernel shipped with slack 13 [01:43] does it matter if i find it in kernel 2.6.29.6 but its backtrack 4? [01:43] MoMo: it is in your best interest to run the latest stable kernel. uname -r => 2.6.33 [01:44] mbohun: wouldn't that require him to compile it from sourc? [01:44] Reticenti: of course [01:45] MoMo: waht does running the command "lspci | grep -i network" give running as root? [01:46] lol -- my current set up ... i have 2 computers and 1 monitor .. so i have to do the cable suffle! [01:46] heh [01:46] one sec actually ... i'll hunt for my old 2 port KVM [01:47] i've had to do dual boot, and internet only worked on windows, so i had to reboot everytime i needed to run a command to fix something on linux [01:48] heh - been there done that :) [01:49] MoMo, i think this might be you driver: RTL8187L [01:49] MoMo: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ar9170 - your device seem to be supported by the native linux atheros dirver [01:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:50] did he say wg111 or wn111? [01:50] wg [01:50] (it's scrolled of my screen) [01:51] thehollow89 (~thehollow@69-165-162-41.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [01:51] i found in a backtrack fourm Realtek RTL8187L [01:51] mbohun, i think atheros is for wn111 not wg111 though. [01:51] yes, RTL8187L sound right Momo. use that. [01:51] mbohun: thats what i saw [01:51] does taht module come with slack13? [01:51] mancha: awesome -- but i do not know what you mean when you say use that [01:52] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] hitest (~George@S010600179a287445.ca.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:52] hi [01:53] i just installed slackware,., and everything its ok except that i have no sound =/ [01:53] sudo alsamixer [01:53] unmute everything [01:53] zgrep CONFIG_RTL8187 /proc/config.gz [01:53] ^^ tahts for biker [01:54] Reticenti, thanks, I already did that and nope [01:55] Reticenti, 00 is not muted right? [01:55] biker, if you're using a normal account, be sure that he's in the audio group [01:55] MoMo, assuming it's in your kernel, as a moule, try modprobe rtl8187 [01:55] biker: correct :) [01:55] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:56] yes - right 0 i see it now - it is supported by CONFIG_RTL8187 [01:56] Azalyn, Í am already in the audio group [01:56] biker: also see if the user is in the Audio group like Axtroz said. If that doesnt work, does this give anything: "lspci | grep -i audio" [01:56] Reticenti, as root? [01:56] yeah [01:57] mancha for that first command -- zgrep -- i got two lines 1) CONFIG_RTL8187=m 2) CONFIG_RTL8187SE=m [01:57] Reticenti, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [01:57] it just probes what hardware you have, and i'm looking for a line with audio in it biker [01:57] Reticenti, oo okok :) [01:57] i did the modprobe rtl8187 and it just gave me a new line [01:58] MoMo: do dmesg [01:58] Momo, with the modprobe you should be good. [01:58] you should now be able to use wpa_supplicant (or whatever your poison is) to connect [01:59] biker: what does this give: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 | head -7 [01:59] i did dmesg -- and i got the following: wlan0 (rtl8187): not using net_device_ops yet [02:00] Reticenti, http://pastebin.com/VJKXAzAn [02:00] the little blue light on the dongle doesn't come on either (i'm not sure if it should though [02:01] post all of "dmesg | grep rtl8187" [02:02] mancha: i'm using a kvm for the monitor and manually moving the usb keyboard back and forth lol -- i'll do the best i can though [02:02] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:03] wmaster0 (rtl8187): not using net_device_ops yet [02:04] just one line? [02:04] wlan0 (rtl8187): not using net_device_ops yet /n usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 then it repeats the first two lines again, the wmaster and the wlan0 [02:04] jspider1010 (~spider101@141.sub-97-184-230.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:04] ok, sounds good, now connect. [02:04] =) [02:05] not 100% on that process now either [02:05] jspider1010 (~spider101@141.sub-97-184-230.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:05] biker: what does "grep msi /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" give? [02:06] what does "iwlist wlan0 scan" give? [02:06] Reticenti, grep: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base: No such file or directory [02:06] MoMo: iwlist eth1 scan | grep ESSID [02:06] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [02:07] ry ifconfig wlan0 up [02:07] MoMo: try that if you see any wireless networks [02:07] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [02:07] thehollow89 (thehollow@69-165-162-41.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware. [02:07] i did that .. and then retried the first command iwlist -- i got a LOT of results [02:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-188-189-97.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Momo, good, so thedongle works [02:08] =D [02:08] you're 95% there :0 [02:08] i really apprciate it mancha [02:08] now, walking you through the rest takes more effort than i can provide. I suggest you goodle some wireless docs. basically the stuff that shows you how to use wpa_supplicant [02:09] if you're lazy you can use wicd (some here might be able to show you how to get wicd up and running quickly) [02:09] i see stuff like essid: "print server 6734DE" ... not mine [02:09] MoMo: now you have to chose the wireless network you want to connect to, setup your wpa_suplicant.conf, and connect [02:09] what is wicd? [02:09] well you AP might not be broadcasting. try iwlist several times; [02:09] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:09] wicd is a crappy python GUI that interferes with proper wifi net setup - avoid it [02:09] biker: have you run alsaconf as root yet? [02:10] poor wicd =( [02:10] Reticenti, yes [02:10] Action: NaCl eyes mbohun [02:10] MoMo: wifi is like pest or cancer [02:10] biker is this on a laptop? [02:10] Axius (~hi@92.84.31.186) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Reticenti, yes [02:10] Mancha -- so i'm off to google wpa_suplicant.conf ... thank you all for your help [02:10] welcome. enjoy :> [02:10] mbohun: I take it you have a problem with python? [02:10] MoMo: well i can give you mine :-) [02:11] have you tried knetworkmanager? sucks more [02:11] i do not have GUI on this box =( [02:11] alisonken1noc, does that even compile ? [02:11] Axtroz: don't know - don't use it [02:11] Momo, wicd has a curses interface too, so no need for X, per se. [02:11] I prefer wicd - both gui and ncurses clients [02:11] alisonken1noc: i like python, ipython, etc. friends use it a lot with scipy or whatever it is called as replacement for Matlab [02:12] but wpa_supplicant is a never fail otion, i'd got with that [02:12] biker: a dell laptop? [02:12] +1 [02:12] Reticenti, no, HP [02:12] mbohun: you just have a problem with wicd then? [02:12] scilab [02:12] ? [02:12] also, i hear octave is more compatible, language wise? [02:12] It's effectively a MATLAB clone [02:12] biker: It hink this is waht you're looking for http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/slackware-13-sound-problem-791270/ [02:13] Scilab and Octab are both Matlab alternatives, clone is a bit much, they're not 100% language compat (either one) [02:13] and they don't take the matlab modules, iirc [02:13] *Octave [02:13] biker: the post right after the long one has 3 lines to put in /etc/modprobe.d/sound, do that, restart, alsaconf, alsamixer, and see if that works [02:13] octave is much more compatible with MATLAB than scilab [02:14] Reticenti, okokok Ill try that and then come back and tell you what happenned :) [02:14] thankyou [02:14] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:14] wow this wpa_suplicant.conf is crazy confusing [02:14] biker wait [02:14] MoMo: this is why people use wicd. [02:14] Reticenti, okok [02:14] that's why I use wicd - so I didn't have to fool with the supplicant config stuff [02:14] Momo, not so much. the wpa_supplicant folks have provided several standard examples [02:14] you will likely just need to wteak things very little from that [02:15] MoMo: do not listen to the philistines - do not use wicd :-) [02:15] Writing wpa_s config files gets tiresome. [02:15] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [02:15] lol [02:15] MoMo, on the slackware DVD there's a folder named extras, go in there, find wicd and install it (via installpkg) [02:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-188-189-97.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:16] and follow instructions by adding your user to the netdev group [02:16] biker: you can try that suggestion, buti dont think it'll work, you may have to recompile the alsa drivers [02:16] Axtroz: i'm way to crazy newb to figure that out yet [02:16] MoMo: look how "tiresome" is to write wpa_supplicant.conf - and judge for yourself: http://codepad.org/Oj4Dbo9O - 6 lines, right? [02:16] mbohun: for *every* network you encounter? [02:16] i'm going to try the writing my own [02:16] mbohun: maybe for you, but I usually ended up doing more than that [02:16] especially since I have 15 networks I switch between [02:16] alisonken1noc: ++ [02:17] Reticenti, okok, let me try that suggestion and see how it works [02:17] but quick quesiton -- the way i configured the usb dongle -- with the modprobe deal ... will the save or do i have to do it everytime i reboot? [02:17] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:17] NaCl: yeah of course we are "encountering hundreds of networks every day" :-) [02:17] oh, i forgot to ask, are the #slackware logs down for the count? [02:18] mbohun: 2 networks at the garland office, 2 networks at the LAX office, one at home, one at church, and those are just off the top of my head [02:18] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ seems to provide no sugar [02:18] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:18] sure 15 networks :-) - that is a very common scenario i guess [02:18] Action: NaCl shrugs. [02:19] mbohun: I also end up doing tech support for a previous employer and other friends [02:19] so yeah, 15 networks easy [02:19] i don't care actually - if people want to use GUIs, etc. - please [02:19] anyone have news on the ##slackware logs ? [02:19] mbohun: do you consider ncurses a gui? [02:19] Perhaps the next big thing will be dumping wpa_supplicant andusing iwconfig :P [02:19] Axtroz: not possible [02:20] I know, I'm just joking [02:20] wpa_s is needed for WPA. [02:20] i don't care, i use wpa_supplicant.conf edited with emacs/vim [02:20] period [02:20] whatever floats your boat, but slamming wicd because you don't like it is not good [02:20] so -- i just edited that wpa_suplicant.conf ... not sure how i restart the server to connect [02:21] especially for newcomers and people like me that have multiple networks they have to deal with [02:21] MoMo: is wpa_supplicant running already? what is: pgrep wpa saying? [02:21] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:21] you need to run wpa_supplicant, something like: wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -Dwext -B [02:22] there's 279 people on here, lot's active. and no one can tell me why the botlog site is broken? ##slackware logs [02:22] mbohun: but then again, you use that alternate emacs o/s anyway :) [02:22] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:23] /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then /sbin/dhcpcd wlan0 if you use DHCP [02:23] Reticenti, nop, that didnt work =/ [02:23] biker: does "aplay /bin/bash" do anything? [02:23] (it'll just be static) [02:23] alisonken1noc: well i have only 2-3 wifi networks, unlike most users here (15) :-) [02:24] Reticenti, http://pastebin.com/9VNJE8TY [02:24] biker: aplay -l , does that show you the sound cards? [02:24] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:24] mbohun: invalid psk =( [02:24] Reticenti, aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found... [02:24] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:24] hmm [02:25] bah [02:25] its WEP [02:25] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [02:25] is this a whole other beast? [02:26] you can do WEP using wpa_s [02:26] man wpa_supplicant is your friend. [02:26] (if you choose to take this route) [02:26] alisonken1noc: i have seen poor GUI baboons who were using wicd and (GNOME?) "networkmanager" - it was actually preventing them from connecting :-) - i didn't investigate which app fault it was, but wicd wasn't providing any useful error/status messages [02:26] wpa_supplicant does WEP just fine, there's no PSK in wep though, you'll have wep_key0 and such iirc. it's been 240 years since i used WEP [02:26] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] okay [02:27] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Yes, I have seen NM prevent connecting. [02:28] I have installed NM on my local machine. [02:28] It almost works. [02:28] I have also seen wicd fail connecting. [02:28] And wpa_s worked fine. [02:28] NaCl: the GUIs should at least cause no problems - if they are not able to help [02:29] mbohun: keep in mind wicd has only been started within the last year [02:29] UI design is a terribly complicated task. [02:29] do you expect perfection in a new app? [02:29] Reticenti, so I must update the alsa drivers? [02:29] alisonken1noc: it's been around longer than that, and it was started as a "learn python" project. [02:29] I would suggest helping rather than bitching [02:29] biker: maybe... try putting this in /etc/modprobe.d/sound http://pastebin.com/ZcGLFTmy [02:29] NaCl, it's only been in the system for the last year or so [02:30] Unfortunately, the other developer (and myself) don't have much time to work on it. [02:30] NaCl: networkmanager seems to be a common problem on quite recent Ubuntu installations - i now it from observing the wildlife - some of my baboon friends who installed bubbantu walked off the right path Lord chose for us... etc [02:30] alisonken1noc: it has only been "usable" in the last 1.5 years. [02:30] NaCl: my point exactly - developer time and usability time :) [02:30] mbohun: these baboons don't want to worry about editing config files. I don't blame them [02:30] alisonken1noc: stop selling wicd - let us dig a grave for wicd [02:31] at least wicd is progressing and reasonably usable now [02:31] because he was no good [02:31] mbohun: fine - give me something better _now_ then [02:31] real pestilence - oh Lord :-) [02:31] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [02:31] otherwise, help fix it or quit bitching [02:31] alisonken1noc: vim /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [02:31] mbohun: what part of _better_ did you miss? [02:32] so ... here is what i learned -- in the wpa_supplicant.conf ... key_mgmt=NONE [02:32] i had key_mgmt=WEP [02:32] and yes, I used to work for someone building routing software using wpa_supplicant.conf building scripts, so I'm not lost in it [02:32] then i started the dhcpcd wlan0 .. and now i can ping google.com!!!! [02:32] MoMo: key management varies with the connection setup [02:32] awesoem work guys -- thanks a lot for your help -- my big question now is ... what happens when i reboot? [02:33] Reticenti, let me reboot [02:33] ok [02:33] MoMo: well go to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [02:33] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:33] MoMo: and look if the rtl8170 whatever it is called module gets loaded - just in case [02:34] MoMo: if not you can uncomment the line that does load it or you can just add a line there saying: /sbin/modprobe rtl8187 [02:35] that doesn't help with the wpa_supplicant, though [02:35] if wpa_s worked, the driver is fine [02:35] If it worked now without any intervention, no further fiddling is required. [02:35] well if you were following the discussion (infidels) you would know that he was loading the module first [02:36] i did less rc.modules | grep rtl [02:36] Infidels? are you serious? [02:36] and nothing .. so now i add a line jsut anywhere /sbin/modprobe rtl8187 [02:36] NaCl: dead serious :-) [02:36] MoMo: better would be "grep rtl /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [02:36] " [02:37] (without the quotes) [02:37] MoMo: well some modules get loaded automatically - it won't hurt anything if you put the line there [02:37] alisonken1home: sorry -- thank you .. i'm still learning =) [02:37] MoMo: propper grepping is srs business lol [02:37] CLI-fu is an art that takes patience. [02:38] yeah [02:38] could i ... in theory ... restart, and ifconfig wlan0 ... if nothing ... add modprobe line, restart and TIAS? [02:38] and lot's of practice [02:38] and reading man pages. :P [02:38] And google. [02:38] once you stop catting to grep, you've reached your first milestone haha [02:39] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Reticenti, nop that didnt work [02:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:39] biker: then I'll have to hand you over to the more experienced in the channel, sorry i couldnt help [02:40] well that was hardly proper grepping - that would be grep -e '\ Reticenti, np, thank you :) [02:40] mbohun: basics first - advanced lessons later :) [02:40] Reticenti, oor, do you know how to update my alsa drivers? [02:40] biker: google alsa, find the source, compile install [02:41] i don't know if that would work though, or if that [02:41] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-212-211.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:41] or if thats the best way, I'd ask in here again :) [02:41] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] MoMo: let this be a warning to you, for if you start using GUIs like the infidels it will dumb you down and Lord will look with anger down at you... [02:42] guys, biker is trying to get his sound card to work, his codec is in here http://pastebin.com/VJKXAzAn I can't seem to find the solution, can someone help him please ? [02:42] thank you Reticenti :) [02:42] i hope you're using irssi mbohun [02:43] no what is irssi? another of retard devils GUI? [02:43] :| [02:43] ?! [02:43] mbohun: you need to get out of emacs more often [02:43] i smell a troll [02:43] alisonken1noc: haha [02:43] mbohun: irssi is the antithesis of retard GUIs [02:44] also, can somene help biker with sound issues? [02:44] Reticenti, ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/ do I download the "alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a.tar.bz2 ? [02:44] so .. i restarted .. no dice, i added the sbin/modprobe rtl8187 line to rc.modules [02:44] Reticenti: did biker run alsaconf ? [02:45] mbohun, yeap [02:45] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [02:45] MoMo: /sbin/modprobe rtl8187 <- note the leading slash [02:45] sorry meant the /sbin [02:46] MoMo: that only reloads the driver, it does not reconnect you to the ap [02:46] ... i also just did the /sbin/dhcpcd wlan0 and got back err, wlan0: timed out [02:46] you have to rerun the wpa_supplicant program like you did earlier [02:46] alisonken1noc: how do i set that to do automatically everytime it reboots? [02:46] Axius (~hi@92.84.31.186) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:46] MoMo: so what is the problem, previously you said that you loaded the kernel module: with modprobe rtl8187 - and everything worked fine, right? dmesg | grep rtl8187 is saying what? [02:47] yes -- then i restarted ... to test restart ability =) [02:47] MoMo: the problem is you will be out of range of that particular ap when you change locations, so you need to modify the wpa_supplicant.conf file for each new network you connect to [02:47] MoMo: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [02:48] MoMo: and /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [02:48] i thought i had to rerun /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then /sbin/dhcpcd wlan0 if you use DHCP [02:48] morning all [02:48] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [02:48] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [02:48] so restarting wpa_supplicant all of the time with that configuration will only work when you are within range of that particular ap [02:48] good morning phrag [02:48] alisonken1noc: this is a desktop PC -- it will not change APs [02:48] biker: your card is supported in later ALSA releases, at least as early as 1.0.18, but I'm not sure how much earlier ... here's a report of its support: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg24618.html [02:49] biker: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page says that the most recent stable version of ALSA driver is 1.0.22.1 [02:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [02:49] MoMo: then you can add the wpa_supplicant line and the dhcpcd line in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [02:49] biker: yeah, if you can get the latest (1.0.22) to compile, you should be good [02:49] however, that may not always work when the network disconnects for interference issues [02:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:50] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:50] rk4n3, mbohun , okok Ill download it and compile it,., and then tell you what happenned,., thanks ;) [02:50] :) [02:50] how can i track down kde themes for slackware? [02:51] alisonken1noc: here is a fun question i have already typed the big /usr/sbin ... etc etc command into the shell .. is there a way i can pull up the last command i did (up arrow) and add something like echo and a > and have to append to the rc.local? ... i'm trying to think smarter not harder [02:51] biker: looks like you did need to recompile alsa :) [02:51] lordraptor, go to the kde themes page and download new themes - or use the desktop settings -> get new themes optoin [02:52] alisonken1noc: what is this fear propaganda about? like if someone moves between 15 networks he has to disconnect/connect, the only way wicd can make it easier is to offer some GUI view, but one has to still provide a passsword, and other info maybe too [02:52] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Reticenti, ok im working on that now :) [02:53] mbohun: only on initial connection, wicd saves the password for you. plus - you didn't answer the question about do you consider ncurses as gui interface? [02:53] biker: have you ever compiled from source before? [02:53] mbohun: and so far the only fear propaganda I've been seeing is from you [02:53] how can i take a string and append it to the end of a file from shell? [02:53] alisonken1noc: fyi, it's not ncurses, it's urwid [02:53] Reticenti, alsa drivers no [02:53] biker: if i were you i would uninstall the existing slack alsa, compile and install the latest alsa driver, lib, etc. from www.alsa-project.conf, run alsaconf - and see if it works [02:53] but other programs yea [02:53] ./configure,., make,., make install [02:53] biker yup :) [02:54] NaCl, it has an ncurses flavor, from the looks of his comments, not sure if he would know the difference [02:54] mbohun, how do I uninstall the current one? [02:54] alisonken1noc: wow it saves the password for me - could you tell me how is my password stored? is it in clear text? [02:54] you can just install over the current one probably [02:54] mbohun: it's save as a hex string in the wpa_supplicant.conf template for that ap [02:55] I would uninstall the current using pkgtool [02:55] just like you do for your manual entries [02:55] ... and I would also get the slackbuild from the slackware site and use it to create packages out of the new source [02:55] biker: i thought slackware has something like pkgtool - ncurses gui where you can remove packages, or directly with removepkg [02:55] mbohun: so, you normally trash software without knowing anything about it, huh? [02:56] mbohun, removepkg *alsa* [02:56] ? [02:56] alisonken1noc: i cant find desktop get option [02:56] correct biker [02:56] well the * dont work here :p [02:56] alisonken1noc: look i m not trashing anything - you can't take a joke, i just don't have any use for it [02:56] lordraptor, desktop background -> right mouse click -> desktop settings -> Desktop Theme [02:57] just my preference, I like to go into pkgtool and visually make sure I select exactly what I want to remove - just my $0.02 :) [02:57] biker: you could also use the slackbuild from the source files [02:57] biker: ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/l/alsa-lib/alsa-lib.SlackBuild [02:57] that way it mimics slacks alsa [02:57] alisonken1noc: frig! :) [02:57] mbohun: the difference is the consistent statements by you were trashing wicd - I didn't see any indication of joking [02:58] Reticenti, okok thanks :) I think I'll compile them :p [02:58] alisonken1noc: you sad you go to church - well church going people do not have that much sense of humor [02:58] sporten29sf (1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [02:58] mbohun: you would be surprised :) [02:59] if you've hung around this channel for more than a couple of months you might have noticed me around [02:59] yeah - burning witches and killing heretics of course [02:59] wrong sect [02:59] sporten29sf (1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Client Quit [02:59] hey, burning witches can be done with a sense of humor, too ... [02:59] (jk) [03:00] rk4n3, obviously - look at Monty Python and the Holy Grail :) [03:00] haha :) [03:01] lol [03:01] alisonken1noc: how about Life of Brian ? "I've got a release for someone named BRIAN - which one of you is BRIAN ?" [03:01] yeah - been too long, have to go watch it again [03:01] (entire field of crucifixees starts yelling "me !" "I'm brian!" etc...) [03:02] heh :) [03:03] alisonken1noc: i have seen the wicd GUI - last time on my ps3 - it was part of the YLD distro - but i wiped it out, and put nice clean friendly gentoo on it [03:03] gent-ew ? [03:04] mbohun: might be interested in reinstalling it and checking out wicd-curses.py [03:05] gentoo seems to be the only normal distro these days, pity slack turned this way, back in 1998 or so one could install the slack base under 300mb or so, even the slack 8.1 or 8.2 - the one that was default back in Nov 2002 was nice [03:05] or if you want to review the gui - wicd-client [03:05] wicd-client.py [03:05] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:06] it also works on wired network as well [03:06] gentoo? normal? [03:06] alisonken1noc: i thought i clearly explained that i have no use for it: i have 1-2 networks at home and 1 at work, the extra one would be a motel, hotel, etc [03:06] mbohun: I find your analysis strange - gentoo's main difference is its non-binary approach (compile at install) ... just because the available software base has increased over time doesn't mean you can't still install a "lean core" of Slackware [03:06] and like I said - whatever floats your boat [03:07] alisonken1noc: so what exactly would a handsome young man like myself do with an ugly py-gtk+ GUI like wicd, tell me? [03:07] lol [03:07] learn something? [03:07] mbohun, it's as ugly as you make it be [03:07] otherwise remember that not everyone is as savvy as you - especially when they ask very basic questions on here [03:07] mbohun, gtk-chtheme + some theme engine like qtcurve. [03:08] i m not savvy at all [03:08] Action: NaCl scratches his head [03:08] Action: alisonken1noc too [03:08] Reticenti, is alsa-tools important? [03:08] i fall of the staircase for no reason often [03:08] im not sure biker [03:08] i would just to be complete [03:08] biker: I think alsa-tools has like alsamixer in it [03:08] Qt! oh no - not another monstrosity [03:09] Action: NaCl sighs [03:09] rk4n3, because its the only one I couldnt compile [03:09] damn,., also alsa-plugins couldnt get it to compile [03:10] biker: hmm, darn - it could mean that there are kernel dependencies that don't match between the newer also and the slack13 kernel [03:10] s/also/alsa [03:11] what happened to this world - what about those who actually want to preserve the system resources for the application they actually want to run, instead of wasting the sys resources on squeaking icons, fugly applets, idiotic 3D effects - all written by 14-15 years old GNOME/KDE developers - teens covered in pimples, hogging CPU and punching security holes where ever they can - oh no [03:11] vision of hell [03:11] mbohun: that's why there's options - cli, minimal X, full DE [03:11] otherwise, there's MS [03:11] or Apple [03:12] mbohun: alisonken1noc++ [03:12] i use xorg + windowmaker or blackbox - feels sane [03:12] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.213.56) joined ##slackware. [03:12] and I have done a minimal install of 12.1 on a 512M flash disk for use in a homebrew wireless AP [03:12] Action: slava_dp uses kde4. [03:13] mbohun: wow, you use alot more GUI slickness than I do :) I use ion3 [03:13] mbohun, I dont think that a system with 4+ gigs of ram couldnt take a 500 MB DE or so... [03:13] rk4n3, it gives me this error when trying to compile alsa-tools: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 alsa >= 0.9.0) were not met: [03:14] and alsa-plugins gave me this error: Package requirements (alsa >= 1.0.11) were not met: [03:14] biker: ah, you might need to install the core alsa before trying to compile the tools [03:15] so the packages i culd install were alsa-driver, alsa0lib, alsa-utils, alsa-firmware, alsa-oss, and pyalsa [03:15] could* [03:15] rk4n3, yea, after I installed all those packages, I tried to install those 2 again and same errors [03:16] rk4n3, let me restart and see if with that I have sound [03:16] biker: OH! I think you've got all you need ... the utils package is the one with all the mixer, player, etc ... [03:16] okok so let me restart : [03:16] :) [03:16] biker: :) [03:16] thank you,., coming back in a minute [03:16] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:17] well whatever if someone can make use of KDE, GNOME then good for them, i prefer low CPU, mem usage [03:17] xfce <3 [03:17] anyway time to go to the gym [03:17] mbohun, you running something with 64 MB RAM ? :> [03:17] or are you running a number cruncher app to process seti@home or something? [03:18] <3 <3 <3 - i m having problem to understand that - is it a) a heart (like in i love) or b) a fart (like in i fart that direction) ? [03:18] Everyone -- I am all set and REALLY apprciate they help -- I think I learned a lot!!! [03:18] good nigh! [03:18] monty python references are always welcome :) [03:18] <3 = heart [03:19] crap... alsa-lib 1.0.22 broke my soundcard :/ [03:19] that sux [03:19] Axtroz: uname -a => Linux yobbo 2.6.33 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 25 11:17:04 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux, cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal => MemTotal: 2071960 kB [03:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:20] mbohun, OK, so you got X + a minimalistic WM... [03:20] mbohun: I think you missed the tag implied by :> [03:20] mbohun, so I presume you got a total usage of about 100 MB with that setup... [03:20] Axtroz: but i don't see that to be a reason to over-indulge :-) - it is an old laptop and for example the less you run , the less the CPU temperature [03:21] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:21] I'm interested, what kind of an app you're using that requires about... 1,9 GB RAM ? :D [03:22] mbohun: the only reason I even run X at all is mostly because of WWW ... no text-mode browsers are feasibly usable across most web apps [03:22] Axtroz: sometimes using virtual machines for some testing, android emulator, etc [03:22] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] and yeah for example web browsers chew a lot of mem [03:22] that explains alot :) [03:22] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:23] Web page of Silkroad Online is optimized under below condition. [03:23] Windows Operation Systems ( Microsoft Windows 9X/Me/NT/2000/XP/2003 ) [03:23] Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 and above. [03:23] Channel flood from Axtroz -- kicking [03:23] aah, epic fail xD [03:23] Axtroz kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:23] oops :) [03:23] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [03:23] haha :) [03:23] wops :> [03:23] rk4n3, Reticenti ,., I have sound now!!!!!! =D [03:23] mbohun: hooray! [03:23] biker: woohoo \o/ [03:23] biker, gz :) [03:23] apps can make a bit diff, i remember my old p3 733MHz, viewing TV with zapping - CPU usage 5%, using tvtime apx. 70% - makes me upset of course [03:24] rk4n3, Axtroz , Reticenti ,., thank you so much!! [03:24] no problemo [03:24] anyway time to go, nice to chat to all of you (Lord protect you from the evil GUIs) [03:24] np :) [03:24] anytime :) [03:24] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.3) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] =D :) [03:25] I am liking slackware a lot :)! [03:25] "Lord protect you from the evil GUIs"... someone call an exorcist... [03:25] slackware = <3 [03:25] Slack owns :) [03:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:26] =) [03:27] yup [03:27] MoMo (~drstroker@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [03:27] biker, do you know about slackbulds.org? [03:27] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] slackbuilds.org* [03:27] how can I tell rsync to do a dry run and show me the size of the download? [03:28] Reticenti, no =O [03:28] rsync --dry-run ? [03:28] I have been using slack since yesterday :P [03:28] biker: it's a collection of slackware user built scripts to build and install various packages [03:28] the AUR if you know arch [03:29] rk4n3, yes, this shows not the real amount of data, but the amount of metadata rsync transferred. I need to find out the download size. [03:29] slava_dp: have you tried adding -v ? [03:29] biker: google sbopkg for a really neat command line tool to get stuff from it [03:29] rk4n3, no change [03:30] i'll ask in #rsync later, thanks. [03:30] Reticenti, ok let me check it :) [03:30] sbopkg ftw [03:30] Drone4four (~Drone4fou@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:30] indeed [03:30] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Quit: x [03:30] Reticenti, its kind of yum or apt-get ? [03:30] eh, not really, but close lol [03:31] lol :p [03:31] at least the d/l->build->install part, just not the check deps part :) [03:32] slava_dp: actually, I got the correct transfer bytes using just --dry-run [03:32] Reticenti, ok I already installed sbopkg [03:32] biker: slackware doesnt come with a huge repo like ubuntu/debian. slackware assumes you know how to configure your system like you want. so the more advanced users have come up with a fairly standard of making packages for slack. slackbuilds.org hosts some of those scripts to build the packages [03:32] rk4n3, I can't believe -current updates amount to only 111628 bytes.... [03:33] slava_dp: hmm, that would seem odd [03:33] slava_dp: let me re-examine my experiment [03:33] biker: in most cases ithas you download the source and a slackbuild script which will compile the app and wrap it up in the slackware package. you can then install the slackware package [03:34] slava_dp: aha - I figured out my issue ... my bytes/sec just happened to match my transfer size, since it was small enough to transfer in one second :) [03:34] Reticenti, ooo okok [03:35] so like this [03:35] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/google-chrome/ [03:35] slava_dp: but, add --stats and you'll get what you need, I think [03:35] Reticenti, I download the .deb and then the slackbuild? [03:35] biker: yup, in this case, you get the deb and it repackages it, but in most cases you get the source [03:35] (chrome is v. nice too) [03:36] Reticenti, yea, I have all my bookmarks there,., so I need to install it here :p [03:36] biker: if you have sbopkg, run as root, and search for chrome and install it from there [03:36] Reticenti, sbopkg -s chrome ? [03:36] run as root, run sbopkg, and search for chrome [03:36] nah [03:36] just sbopkg, it has an ncurses gui [03:36] ooo okokk [03:37] let me try [03:37] make sure you do an update first [03:37] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:37] and also make sure you look at the dependencies mentioned in readme [03:37] slack doesnt do dependency resolution for you :) [03:37] Reticenti, lol :p [03:38] thats why I installed slack,., to be better :) [03:38] I like slack because it's simple [03:39] bjqrn (bjqrn@c-6e0fe255.023-21-7673743.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:41] Reticenti, how can I know if I have a dependency installed? [03:41] I like slack because it really stays close to the unix-like ideologies [03:41] biker, ls /var/log/packages/*depname* [03:41] biker: if it's mentioned in the slackbuild readme, you donthave it(unless you've previopusly installed it) [03:41] ... if slack didn't exist, I'd probably use FreeBSD rather than another linux distro [03:41] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:41] rk4n3, lol [03:41] i'd probably be in arch or bsd [03:41] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [03:42] thanks slava_dp [03:42] Reticenti, in the readme it says I need gconf [03:42] but I think I have it installed [03:42] search for gconf and install that (make sure you check the deps on gconf) [03:42] biker: you don't [03:43] Reticenti, [03:43] bash-3.1# ls /var/log/packages/*gconf* [03:43] unless you specifically installed it [03:43] /var/log/packages/compizconfig-backend-gconf-0.8.2-x86_64-2gsb [03:43] /var/log/packages/gconf-editor-2.26.0-x86_64-2gsb [03:43] /var/log/packages/gconfmm-2.24.0-x86_64-2gsb [03:43] heh, gsb [03:43] biker: you need this [03:43] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/GConf/ [03:43] ok I will download gconf [03:43] which needs this http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/ORBit2/ [03:44] lol ok :p [03:45] the slackbuild readmes assume you have a stock slackware system [03:45] Reticenti, so how I install it from sbopkg? [03:45] oo okok [03:45] Im on the orbit file [03:45] biker: go to orbit2 [03:45] yea im there [03:45] select "add to queue" [03:45] then do the same for gconf, then chrome [03:46] ok done [03:46] then once you do that, go back to the main menu, and go to "queue" then process (or sort if you need to change the order) and install, you want to install as they are built [03:47] if you were to do this manually, you'd have to get the slackbuild, source for each file, and then run the slackbuild individually for each file. it's a lot easier to do with sbopkg [03:48] Reticenti, yea nice! :D [03:48] biker: if you're serious about using slack, get on the security mailing list http://slackware.com/lists/ [03:49] okk thanks :) [03:49] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:49] you can update with "slackpkg update && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all" [03:49] Reticenti, what repo you have? the 13.0 or the current ? [03:49] you want 13 [03:49] unless you're running -current [03:49] Reticenti, yea I already update and upgrade-all,., and im on 13 [03:49] mmk [03:50] I formatted once because first I uncommented the current one [03:50] ah lol [03:50] and it wasnt happy [03:50] :p [03:50] I couldnt install my graphics drivers,., [03:50] and all loooked pink [03:50] yeah, dont mix current with stable lol [03:50] and then kernel panic [03:50] lol :p [03:51] what DE or WE are you running./ [03:51] ? [03:51] Reticenti, by now, kde [03:51] s/WE/WM [03:51] ah [03:52] Reticenti, whenever it asks me this what do i choose? [03:52] You can choose among the following options: [03:52] - (Y)es, keep the source and continue the build process; [03:52] Channel flood from biker -- kicking [03:52] - (N)o, delete the source and abort the build process; or [03:52] - (R)etry download and continue the build process. [03:52] Your choice? [03:52] biker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:52] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] sorry for that [03:52] xD [03:52] lol [03:52] i'd retry [03:52] make note of the md5 [03:52] http://pastebin.com/j2ctJGm7 [03:53] if it's the same the second time, the package got changed, but it's good [03:53] I have a slackware64 13.0 system that I installed, and the fonts under X are all HUGE - unusably so ... has anyone ever heard of this issue ? [03:53] so I put yes ? [03:53] that means the download was bad and it wants to know if you want to try and redownload [03:53] so retry? [03:53] biker: (r) is what you want [03:54] ok :) [03:54] biker: note the first few things on the md5 sum and compare it against the next md5 sum if if gives you another error [03:54] Reticenti, also when I did the upgrade-all it asked me something like there were new configurations,., and if I wanted to remove the new ones,., remove the old ones,., or ask me later? [03:54] keep old, consider .new later [03:54] is what i always do [03:55] but do whatever you want to [03:55] okok thanks [03:55] Reticenti, it gave me the same thing,., [03:55] were the md5 sums the same? [03:56] nop [03:56] chico (~chico@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [03:56] then download again lol. what's it failing on? [03:57] hey guys, trying to build Avahi with mono support from Slackbuilds.org and it's failing. Here's the last thing make tells me before it exits. [03:57] Package gtk-sharp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. [03:57] looks like you need gtk-sharp [03:58] Reticenti, same error [03:58] Reticenti, hmm wasn't listed as a dependency but I'll try it. Thanks [03:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6BFB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:58] biker: does the md5sum match one of the previous ones? [03:58] Expected: 4859228f18abf7c660c5d60c9ec29f40 [03:58] Found: 982941d28aa3221956628d8b23bd8dd5 [03:58] Reticenti, yes,., the 3 are the same [03:59] on found ? [03:59] yeap [03:59] then the package probably just got stealth updated [03:59] is this on chrome? [03:59] Reticenti, yes [03:59] Ill put yes now :p [03:59] ok, then install [03:59] thats what i was asking earlier btw, if the found md5sum were the same [03:59] Reticenti, what DM and/or WM do you use? [03:59] lol [03:59] i use xfce with compiz [04:00] nice :) [04:00] but i have a fairly old computer [04:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:00] 2.0 ghz amd single core =D [04:00] that remembers me I need to install compiz :O [04:00] biker: you have to switch to 12.2 on sbopkg to get the compiz stuff [04:01] biker: and you want to follow the build order http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/ccsm/ [04:01] hmm seems the last slackbuild for gtk-sharp on SBo is for 12.1 would this work on 13? [04:02] chico: probably [04:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] chico: and i see it for 12.2 [04:02] chico: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/gtk-sharp/ [04:02] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:03] morning [04:03] morning Camarade_Tux [04:03] Reticenti, touche [04:03] :) [04:03] Reticenti, ooo okok :) [04:04] so I must uninstall sbopkg and then install the 12.2 right? [04:04] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [04:04] nope [04:04] main menu>utilities [04:04] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:04] change to 12.2, then sync again [04:05] Reticenti, oo okok thank you! :) [04:05] does 13 comes with gtk-sharp? I don't see why there isn't a build for it...makes me weary [04:05] but I will do that tomorrow [04:05] here is 1:00 am [04:05] got school tomorrow =/ [04:05] 1am here too [04:05] i have a midterm today lol [04:05] Reticenti, where are you from? [04:05] lol [04:05] nv [04:05] you? [04:05] nv = nevada? [04:05] yup [04:06] nice [04:06] chico: slack13 doesnt have gtk-sharp [04:06] Tijuana/Mexico, San Diego, CA [04:06] cool [04:06] =) [04:06] Reticenti, alrighty, here goes nothin [04:06] well Reticenti ,., really,., thank you for all the help :) [04:06] no problem [04:07] i'm n channel most of the time [04:07] you can pm me or hilight me if you want, i do idle a lot though [04:07] lol okok =p [04:07] thank you also all people in the channel [04:07] well g2g [04:07] bye [04:08] cya Reticenti =) [04:09] biker (~biker@200.38.22.138.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:14] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [04:16] timahvo11 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[04:24] are there any tools on the slackware 13.0 installation dvd that can check for hard disk integrity/bad sectors prior to installation, without formatting the disk/partition? [04:30] cbpye1: fsck surely [04:30] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:35] *facepalm* [04:35] uh-huh [04:35] badblocks ? [04:35] greetings [04:35] hi [04:36] hope not. I just read his response, and can't believe I forgot that tool exists/ [04:36] lots of tools exist, use your imagination...try ;) most probably you will get something ;) [04:36] its slackware ;) [04:39] well, I can't boot the box. I just did a fresh installation, and I'm getting a kernel panic on boot. something about unable to mount the root fs. [04:40] also, the fsck on the installation DVD has no ext4 support, it would seem. [04:41] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423462.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:41] O_o [04:41] i would assume badblocks is there, as well as dd (although I'd wager it's not an integrity problem) [04:42] indeed... it does sound more like a lilo/kernel/initrd related issue [04:42] trhodes: or you chose to make you / some other format ;) [04:43] the installation is easy as long as you have done it before, and if not...followed the instructions for a start ;) [04:43] problem is, i have never had a kernel panic after installation ;) [04:43] i actually did, but with bad hardware :P [04:44] since it was a fresh install, doing a slow format, checking for bad blocks. [04:44] 'kinell.. updatey updaterson is on his update drugs since the big push last week [04:44] trhodes: true, i assumed bad hardware didnt exist ;) sorry about that, my bad [04:45] Zordrak: ? [04:45] changelog.. [04:46] my hardware should be all good, slack was running fine on this box about a week ago. then I hosed it with slackpkg (carelessness), and I just now am getting around to fixing things. [04:46] cbpye1: that sounds like fun ;) [04:47] on the other hand, should be and definately is.... there is a small difference check... [04:48] the idea of it was working before doesnt mean anything...its computers...could brake at anytime...even after a restart or a loading of some software [04:50] cbpye1: was it you who had the 32 bit repository set when you wanted 64 bit repos ? (someone later mentioned piterpk's soon to be public ARCH detection for just this situation...) [04:51] trhodes: no, I didn't have that problem. I did have problems with too many packages in my blacklist after doing a multilib configuration. [04:51] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-78-109.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:52] ok, i just wondered if that was related :) (it's out of my scrollback by now...) [04:54] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [04:55] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [04:56] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) left irc: Client Quit [04:58] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-202-128.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:00] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [05:01] jaskorpe (~jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-202-128.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:04] nice day to all... [05:06] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [05:08] well, this gets weirder and weirder. [05:09] just did another fresh install, after doing a slow format of the root FS. [05:09] and... the damn thing auto-rebooted before I could type what was on screen. [05:10] alright, here we go. [05:11] it got to the "checking root filesystem" part (this is post-installation, fresh boot) and says that /sbin/fsck does not exist. :-/ is fsck part of the e2fsprogs package? [05:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-038.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:13] im wondering if perhaps you have bad install media [05:14] that is a possibility [05:14] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-182-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:15] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Axius (~hi@92.84.16.135) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl11-118-220.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[05:30] Ilie, i think the bottom line is security updates that aren't too much of a pain for Pat are supported, all else is not. [05:30] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:30] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-118-220.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:30] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:31] the conclusion, should I install an older version and get dual monitors or stick with a new one (kde 4.x) ? [05:31] Ilie, what driver do you use with your aticard when you use dual monitors? [05:31] (of course 12.2 is supported. its current sta(b)le. 13.0 is a) too new and b) a .0 version. no one but closeted gentoobies would use anything like that.) [05:31] stick with a new one and correctly set the hal and/or xorg info for the dual monitor setup [05:32] I have a dell inspiron 1501 with an ati xpress 1150 video card [05:32] what driver [05:32] ati has dropped support for my card, I'll use their proprietary driver [05:32] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [05:32] so on 12.1/12.2 you use fglrx? [05:32] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.20&lang=English [05:33] this is what I would download/install [05:33] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:33] anyone know if there are plans to resurrect the ##slackware log site? [05:34] Does ext4 support POSIX capabilities? [05:34] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [05:34] its in the kernel options isnt it# [05:35] chico, as in extended ACLs? yes [05:35] mancha, as in, realtime privileges [05:35] "Ext4 POSIX Access Contros Lists" [05:36] ^ From the kernel ext4 options list [05:36] i don't know what realtime privs are [05:36] *Control [05:36] I'm configuring pulseaudio, more specifically it's dependancy jack-audio-connection-kit [05:36] that sounds good enough to me =P [05:37] Ilie (~hac@89.137.211.74) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:38] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:43] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:56] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:59] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:00] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-038.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:07] pupiteee (~p@109.92.198.226) joined ##slackware. [06:07] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. 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[06:33] alreadygone: file xyz.rar [06:33] thanks ahou [06:34] (usualy it will be a zip. dont ask me why.) [06:35] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [06:35] brokedown: hi man [06:35] brokedown: sory [06:35] I won't :) [06:36] it is: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Monaural [06:36] audio mp3 I guess [06:36] when i want to use i get this error ( can not start kdeixinit4. please chek installity) how i can repair it [06:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:38] when i want to use i get this error ( can not start kdeixinit4. please chek installity) how i can repair it [06:39] stuart: did you check on slackbulds.org for script? [06:42] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:45] pupiteee, nvm stumbled across a basic .tar.gz tutorial [06:45] but it says i need gstreamer as one of amsn's dependencies, anywhere i could get it? [06:46] Gstreamer is part of Slackware [06:46] stuart: c h e c k the slackbuilds. [06:49] alienBOB: when i want to use i get this error ( can not start kdeinit4. please chek installity) how i can repair it [06:50] kytan (~shawn@pool-64-222-223-43.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:51] alright is there a tutorial to install sbopkg so i can start messing with slackbuilds? [06:52] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:52] stuart: u dont need sbopkg to mess with slackbuilds [06:52] no - but it helps [06:53] alisonken1noc: agree [06:53] (why is there no sbopkg slackbuild?) [06:53] stuart: the easy part is sbopkg.org - download the package and installpkg [06:53] ahou: because its a script [06:53] after that, 'sbopkg', rsync to slackbuilds.org, then go for it [06:53] ahou: it's already a package [06:54] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:54] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:54] madbear (~dude@c83-253-55-69.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:54] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:55] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [06:55] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] stuart: other way is to download the source package and the slackbuild for it, unpack the script, put the source in that new script-directory, run packagename.slackbuild and then go to /tmp and run installpkg packagename [06:56] alisonken1home, cool i got it [06:56] sbopkg automates the build process [06:57] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:57] hcfd (~fed@host81-157-105-68.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:57] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] gaaaaaaaaah! [06:58] k this is gonna take a while to process it's my first time on slackware. i don't really understand slackbuilds [06:58] so ive upgraded my mc, downgraded my mc and done all sorts of things and i cant get mc to stop locking up on startup [06:58] after last upgrade it stopped for a while [06:58] but its back! [06:58] W T H [06:58] anyone know ANYTHING? [06:59] stuart: its just a compile script, done by wise men. [07:00] slackin: well you have done all sorts of things.... [07:00] okay. [07:01] anyways, how do i know if i have nvidia acceleration running on slackware [07:01] pupiteee, only cause its been a problem since fresh install [07:01] stuart, glxinfo [07:01] slackin, thanks [07:02] slackin, it gives me a bunch of garble. what am i lookin for [07:02] direct rendering [07:02] not software/mesa rendering [07:02] okay cool, what that command to filter results again.. [07:03] glxinfo | find 'direct rendering' ? [07:03] stuart, at the bottom [07:03] of glxinfo [07:03] does it say [07:03] renderer: your video card [07:03] like 6 lines up [07:03] Software Rastereizer [07:03] its not working [07:04] madbear (~dude@c83-253-55-69.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [07:04] slackin: carriage return is not a punctuation mark [07:04] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:04] slackin, k thanks, will look up some tutorials [07:04] Zordrak, huh? [07:05] stuart: grep, not find [07:06] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.213.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:06] so, outta 275 people not a sole person knows how to fix this mc bug? [07:06] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] when i google about it i see other are having the same issue, but there is no answer anywhere as to what is wrong [07:10] pupiteee (~p@109.92.198.226) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:11] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] do i need all the nvidia files from slackbuilds? [07:12] or just nvidia-driver and kernel [07:13] just the driver/kernel combo specific to your card, plus libvdpau for the newest one [07:13] stuart, dont use slackbuild [07:13] slackin: ? [07:13] go get the driver from nvidia.com [07:13] its flawless [07:14] why? [07:14] cause is he cant figure out the slackbuild [07:14] nvidia's installer is fool proof [07:14] slackin, somehow it won't let me d/l off the site [07:14] ill link you [07:14] one sec [07:14] i've chosen the driver for my hardware, and when i click save file, nothing happens [07:14] what card do you have stuart? [07:15] slackin, geforce 9 series [07:15] stuart: don't let anyone talk you into something stupid. SlackBuilds are fine. It's up to *you* if you want to use them or not [07:15] kk [07:15] stuart, do you trust nvidia? [07:15] cause thier installer is perfect [07:15] yeah i trust nvidia [07:15] no reason to use slackbuild for nvidia [07:15] pprkut, i use slackbuilds all the time [07:15] i love them [07:16] but for nvidia driver its silly [07:16] g4tt0 (~Romeo~@host151-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:16] no it's not [07:16] hello * [07:16] stuart, slack 32 or 64? [07:16] 32 [07:17] stuart, im uploading to a public webserver, ill link you in about 2 minutes [07:17] you can md5 sum the file if anyone thinks im messin around [07:18] slackin: why is it silly to want slackware packages for the nvidia driver? [07:18] pprkut, cause if its not working for him, im 100% positive the nvidia driver's installer will work, it always does [07:18] 100% of the time [07:18] unless [07:18] your running 2.6.33 [07:18] but he is not [07:19] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:19] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [07:20] slackin: so you are not trusting my SlackBuilds. That's ok, but you could have just said so earlier [07:20] pprkut, thats not the case at all [07:20] what have you in the first line on dmesg? linux version? [07:20] but the nvidia driver modifies the config properly and makes sure it compliles right [07:21] pprkut, as i have said just a minute ago [07:21] i use slackbuilds a lot [07:21] the installer doesn't do anything different from the SlackBuilds, for the kernel module [07:21] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) joined ##slackware. [07:21] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:21] whoops [07:21] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:21] does it change the xconfig and install all the glx stuff pprkut? [07:21] cause the nvidia installer does [07:22] slackin: no xorg.conf modification. That's up to the admin [07:22] pprkut, right [07:22] so [07:22] lets have him run the nvidia installer [07:22] following slack philosophy [07:22] it will [07:22] gawd, stop being so self richous [07:22] ur lucky i cant spell [07:22] ;p [07:23] I'm not. I'm just trying to set the facts right [07:23] lol [07:24] I have nothing against the nvidia-installer. It's great. I have something against advising people to ignore perfectly valid options [07:24] stuart, http://downloads.gamingtilt.com/slack-packs/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.53-pkg1.run [07:24] pprkut, well this isnt working for him [07:25] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] pprkut: look at that http://downloads.gamingtilt.com/slack-packs/ [07:25] pupiteee (~p@79.101.209.56) joined ##slackware. [07:25] what should I see there? [07:25] nothing in paticular [07:26] just the fact i fully support slackbuilds [07:26] i lovem [07:26] i compiled all those myself and host them on a huge pipe [07:26] slackin: seriously. stop hitting return so often. [07:27] slackin: that's not the point [07:27] type a whole thought first, dont spread one out over 5 lines [07:27] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Quit: brb, moving [07:27] slackin, thanks [07:27] stuart, np [07:27] so i just sh .run files right [07:27] yea [07:27] exactly [07:27] follow the instructions [07:28] you cant be inside X when you do it [07:28] use init 3 to get out of X [07:28] and init 4 to start gdm back up if you use it [07:28] btw, slackware comes with ktorrent, so now i opened a torrent file and i want to ask it to open with.. ktorrent, but i can't find the program, where is it? [07:28] its there [07:28] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:29] I haven't been dropping out of X for years for updating nvidia-drivers. I always wondered why they where forcing one to do that :/ [07:29] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [07:29] how do i search where ktorrent is located [07:29] which ktorrent [07:29] just type ktorrent at a prompt [07:30] in X [07:30] what if i wanna refer a .torrent file to be opened by it, which dir do i look in? i can't seem to get any results from 'find ktorrent' [07:30] /usr/bin/ [07:31] k thanks [07:31] /usr/bin/ktorrent to be exact [07:31] slackin: just a heads-up, if you push packages to your server you should also include the actual source archives [07:31] they are there [07:31] in a folder [07:31] s/folder/directory/ [07:31] there are slackbuilds, but I cannot find sources [07:32] o [07:32] yea [07:32] whoops [07:32] i guess i could upload it all [07:32] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:33] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:33] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:35] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:37] is there a way to manage boot order or rc.scripts during system startup ? [07:37] modify rc.M [07:37] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [07:39] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Zordrak, if for example, i add rc.mpd & want it to start the last ... i put it at the bottom of rc.M ? [07:39] no [07:39] you add it to rc.local [07:40] yeah right ^^ thanks mate ... i understand now [07:41] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [07:41] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [07:41] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:41] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [07:43] i love how the init scripts are managed in slackware ... really clear [07:43] yep [07:44] and easy [07:44] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [07:46] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [07:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:46] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [07:46] j0z (~j0z@189.114.186.145) joined ##slackware. [07:46] j0z (~j0z@189.114.186.145) left irc: Changing host [07:46] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:47] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) joined ##slackware. [07:49] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [07:49] easy and clear [07:49] eh? what's the difference between this 'terminal emulator' and 'terminal' that comes default with full install [07:50] terminal is the xfce terminal. i dont know what you mean by terminal emulator though [07:50] chatran (~chatran@189.26.73.131.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:50] hi guys [07:50] slackin, the command was glxinfo right? [07:50] maybe rxvt or xterm is the later [07:50] it emulates the console is what terminal emulater does [07:51] it's not the "true" terminal [07:51] yea [07:51] stuart, [07:51] slackin, well now it says extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" [07:51] ahh [07:51] are you in X [07:51] slackin, yup [07:52] ok do this [07:52] slackin, it was fine before i logged out, after i sh'd the nvidia file. [07:52] cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep "nv" [07:53] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:53] slackin, Driver "nv" [07:53] ahh ok, you need to open that file [07:53] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:53] and change that line too [07:53] Driver "nvidia" [07:54] done, do i need to 'refresh' or something? [07:54] then restart X and try glxinfo [07:54] slackin: so much for "does that automatically" ;) [07:54] pprkut, he musta said no [07:54] ok thanks, is there any shortcut for that or do i need to logout through the kickstart button [07:54] ctrl+alt+backspace but you really shouldnt do that [07:54] k, brb. [07:55] slackin: indeed [07:55] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:55] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Quit: ... [07:55] vexter (~guilherme@unaffiliated/vexter) joined ##slackware. [07:55] vexter (guilherme@unaffiliated/vexter) left ##slackware. [07:55] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:56] stuart (~stuart@115.135.234.13) joined ##slackware. [07:56] slackin, yeah that did the trick, wicked [07:56] stuart, whats it say now? [07:56] sweet [07:56] ;] [07:56] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) joined ##slackware. [07:56] stuart, u got a better card than me, im jelous [07:56] i only have a 6800 [07:56] lol [07:57] slackin, so i wanna learn more about slackware instead of this GUI, and i plan to install a more basic version on my old lappie, what do you think i tinker with? especially more to the console side [07:57] just install it normal and use the console instead [07:57] stuart: you started the slackbook yet? [07:57] pprkut, what's that? [07:57] pprkut is right, read up on that [07:57] stuart: http://slackbook.org [07:58] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:58] good stuff, thanks [07:59] brainvision (~brainvisi@host157-40-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:01] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:03] ok, i got a question, what would be the proper syntax for running a cronjob every minute? [08:04] hm, how do i browse files in GUI in root mode? wanna access my windows partition [08:05] stuart: ntfs is mounted 777.. you dont need to be root afaik [08:06] Zordrak, duno, it says i can't access /fat-c (my win mount) [08:06] but i can if i'm su in console [08:06] prolly permissions on your mount point [08:07] Zordrak, can i just chmod the dir [08:07] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.213.56) joined ##slackware. [08:07] well.. yeah. if thats the problem [08:08] hm, i did a chmod 777 /myfatdir/ and still can't get in [08:09] do i need to 'refresh' or something [08:09] stuart, ls -ld /myfatdir [08:09] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:09] stuart: do you have an fstab entry for that? [08:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434976.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:10] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:11] powtrix, you're right, /myfatdir is still drwx------ [08:11] but i just did chmod 777 /myfatdir and nothing's happening [08:12] GAAH [08:13] how do you exit edit mode in VI"? [08:13] uh. escape [08:13] ty [08:13] slackin: :q [08:13] slackboy, try umount it, chown you:users /yourfaty, mount it [08:13] brainvision, thats after you exit edit mode [08:13] i know that much ;] [08:13] stuart ^^ [08:13] yes man.. pardon [08:13] brainvision: thats to exit vi not edit/insert mode [08:13] bleh [08:14] slackin: [08:14] for the cronjob every minute.. [08:14] */1? [08:14] right [08:14] or just * [08:14] i think that */1 * * * * comand [08:14] yea [08:14] yes.. [08:14] right [08:14] thats what i got from it [08:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:14] powtrix, chown me:users? [08:15] you=youruser [08:15] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:15] i think 'users' is your primary group [08:16] powtrix, still can't access the folder in Dolphin [08:16] brainvision, thanks for your attempted help <3 [08:17] slackin: but does it work? [08:17] or should i chmod the /dev/hda1 or something like that cos /myfatdir is just a mount point? [08:17] yep [08:17] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:17] ok :D [08:17] my wifi sometimes drops to 1mb and wont communitcate [08:17] hi folks [08:17] stuart: do not mess with /dev [08:17] so i made a script to check and reset if its in 1mb mode [08:18] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-brhdzybuchbpaqit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:18] k but it's still weird i can access the files if i'm root, but i can't chown or chmod or anything [08:18] after the recent batch of upgrades on -current 64 bit, the udev daemon on my laptop is constantly sucking 3% of the CPU on its own... [08:18] ea_suter, OUCH! [08:19] yeah... [08:19] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:19] anyone else notice this? (with htop for example) [08:19] ea_suter, what kernel [08:19] the stock huge kernel [08:19] 2.6.29? [08:19] 2.6.33 [08:19] stuart: su -; umount /fat-c; chmod 777 /fat-c; mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/sdaX /fat-c; ls -ld /fat-c [08:19] at least thats what uname says [08:20] ea_suter, i wasnt sure what -current was using [08:20] ea_suter: 0.0% for me [08:20] very odd... [08:20] what does the ntfs-3g line do [08:20] i am on 2.6.33 on my desktop, but im in 32bit and dont have that problem [08:20] Zordrak: what makes you thinkit's ntfs if it's called fat-c? ;) [08:20] on my 13.0 machine its also zero... [08:20] specifies the use of the ntfs-3g module for loading the filesystem [08:21] pprkut: because /fat-c is a default name and the likelihood of his windows partition running anything other than ntfs is low [08:21] pprkut: i could be wrong.. but my gut says im right [08:21] hehe [08:22] stuart, try mount -o uid=1000,gid=100 /dev/sdaX /yourFaty [08:22] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl11-118-182.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:22] ea_suter: this is a 64-current thats literally up to date -current, also has multilib. [08:22] ea_suter: however hald is disabled along with most other bits and bobs and theres no X [08:22] that's what I use for ntfs: user,noauto,nls=utf8,users,gid=users,umask=0002 [08:23] udevd time: 0:00.14 and 0.0% [08:23] woop! finally, that did the trick [08:23] 777 [08:23] mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw thingie worked [08:23] good [08:23] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-137-235.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:23] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [08:25] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ybsomznsekzabeln) joined ##slackware. [08:25] add it in fstab: /dev/yourfatty /yourdirfaty ntfs-3g rw ntfs-3g defauts 0 0 [08:25] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [08:25] where is fstab [08:25] /etc/fstab [08:25] /etc/fstab [08:26] hey guys i have a hard job look [08:26] /dev/sdaX /yourmountedir ntfs-3g rw 0 0 [08:27] !seen Blue-slacker [08:27] GNU\colossus, i have this: "LB_test of substitution;054 3220 2010" and i need this: "LB_test of substitution;05432202010" [08:27] on vim [08:27] well I still have hal running [08:27] X still needs that bloatet garbage right? [08:27] *bloated [08:28] well, yes but not *still* 13.0 is the first version too [08:28] although i think you can get away without it with a suitable xorg.conf [08:28] *to [08:29] I wonder whether 13.1 will get xorg.conf.d [08:29] ea_suter: wondering if somehow hald-addon-storage is poking the crap out of udev [08:29] possibly [08:29] I vaguely remember telling it NOT to poll [08:29] better double check though [08:29] :) [08:30] pprkut: ive given up `-speculating` [08:30] haha [08:30] but it's fun! :D [08:30] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:30] its frustrating is what it is is what it is [08:30] hehe [08:30] nah [08:31] i don't know if it's the ports, but bittorrent is really fast on linux but capped at 10k/sec on windows [08:31] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:31] .Nvidia 195.36.08 temporarily removed [08:31] just wish pat would occasionly drop out a hint.. instead of all information flow being leaks by bob :) [08:32] stuart: what bittorrent client is that? [08:32] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [08:32] brb [08:32] ahou, any [08:32] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:33] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [08:34] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:35] tchnplc (~intel@95.43.19.121) joined ##slackware. [08:35] pupiteee (~p@79.101.209.56) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:36] I am running slack current, can I update the new packages without slackpkg install-new? In man slackpkg writes to not run upgrade all withoud it [08:36] tchnplc: why wousd you? [08:37] upgrade-all only handles upgrades.. -current can have packages added to it that are only seen by install-new [08:38] but if I don't use the package for example cups [08:38] ? [08:38] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:39] it looks like it was indeed polling the dvd drive ¬_¬ [08:39] then do not select in the list of packages to install during install-new [08:39] damn you to hal! [08:39] :) [08:39] cpu usage is normal now [08:39] bingo [08:41] ea_suter, hal-disable-polling --device /dev/ will make it stop, and prevent it from doing so in the future [08:41] yeah I did that [08:41] all is well with the world now :) [08:41] almost...best would not to have hal at all [08:42] (03:41:44 PM) Zordrak: hmm sorry, but I don't understand something. Pat says to not run upgrade-all without install-new, so if I not install the new packages [08:42] i think hal gets a bad rap [08:42] its not all that bad [08:42] may broken something [08:42] tchnplc: the point is to make sure you dont forget that -current introduces new packages [08:43] pragma_ (~pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] you can choose to install them all, or selectively not install some if they relate to functionality you do not use [08:43] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest49919 [08:44] chatran (~chatran@189.26.73.131.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:44] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:48] ok, so if I wont nothing of the packages can run direct upgrade-all [08:49] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:49] thanks [08:50] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [08:51] the more packages i install, the more vulnerabilities there can be, but if i install more packages but only run console, is that the same as just installing console [08:51] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-166-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:53] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:55] stuart: no [08:56] its not packages.. its running daemons [08:56] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. 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[09:12] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:14] are there any squid gurus here? [09:15] #squid ? [09:15] all quite there... [09:15] if there are any squid gurus, i'd like to invite them tu #squid :) [09:16] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:17] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:17] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:21] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Axius (~fd@92.82.71.163) joined ##slackware. [09:28] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:29] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-174.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:39] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.32.44.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:41] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [09:41] brainvision: hi man [09:41] brainvision: are you there [09:41] ehi Blue-Slacker [09:42] I read your message abou the jabber ID yesterdday.. [09:42] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [09:42] what did you mean? [09:42] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.231.238.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:42] brainvision : i lost it [09:43] can you give me it form your body list [09:43] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:44] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:44] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:45] what did you lost? [09:45] your jabber account? [09:45] I can't belevie it! Are you joking??? [09:46] hey, common problem. i tend to never know my phone number. because i dont really call it all that often ... [09:47] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [09:47] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:47] brain damaged [09:47] :) [09:47] Blue-Slacker: I'll give it in pvt ok? [09:47] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:48] augusto (~augusto@189-041-11-023.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:48] uff.. [09:49] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.231.238.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:49] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Blue-Slacker: I'll give it in pvt ok? [09:50] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[09:56] slava_dp, oh ok .. indeed [09:56] paissad, you can increase sshd verbosity in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and it will log both session initiation and tearup. [09:56] thanks [09:57] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:57] you can make it log to another file too, via syslog.conf [09:57] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [09:57] i would prefer authentifications type being /var/log/auth.log instead of messages.log [09:58] i will change it [09:59] georgi (~intel@95.43.19.121) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed - is this warning normal after run lilo? on -current [10:00] nottoast (~toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [10:00] georgi, yes. [10:00] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:00] georgi, you can put "lba32" in lilo.conf to make this explicit. [10:01] and I road that, but where in the file? [10:01] and after that I shoult run lilo again? 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[11:10] giuppy (~giuppy@host52-162-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:12] Axius (~fd@92.82.71.163) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:14] Agent57 (~nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:14] hitest (~George@S010600179a287445.ca.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:15] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:16] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:18] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [11:18] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:20] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Client Quit [11:22] I have a hard drive that is giving me some I/O errors (I've backed up everything by now), I think it's a few bad sectors: what would you use to check that and possible set them as defective in the hard drive or the filesystem? [11:22] how old/new is the drive? [11:23] 4 months... [11:23] rma [11:23] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] comrad, smartctl ? badblocks ? [11:23] Camarade_Tux, i would use a bootable cd with mhdd [11:24] afaik newer drives dont handle bad blocks like old ones [11:24] it has one computer's / and I'd prefer avoid being unable to use the computer meanwhile (although I've already planned to buy a pair of disks so I can raid1 it) [11:24] im not sure you get presented with them anymore.. its all handled in the firmware [11:24] jeev: smartcl reports the drive is fine [11:25] oh [11:25] check the SMART output for "reallocated sectors" [11:25] so badblocks is pointless? [11:25] moreover, I had no bad perf, it's still fast and makes no noise [11:25] im not sure.. but for a newer drive i think it might be [11:25] Camarade_Tux, is that a seagate drive? [11:26] for me.. the second this starts to happen i run the vendor diagnostic tool and when it fails i rma [11:26] i have sas giving me an annoyance, i dont see any issues but smart shows the ecc recovery count pretty high and the non-medium error count grows [11:26] and this passes smart too [11:26] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [11:26] zux1wrk: hitachi deskstar [11:26] smart isnt totally a pass/fail situation [11:26] seagate cad some drives with bad firmware [11:27] Camarade_Tux: check reallocated sectors [11:27] seagate has a lot of drives with bad platters too. [11:27] if its anywhere near the threshold then you have your answer [11:27] ah, actually, smartctl's output isn't right: I misread the reallocated sector entry : it's 197 while threshold is 140 [11:27] bad blocks handled by firmware [11:27] seagate sucks. [11:27] Camarade_Tux: bingo [11:27] the threshold is proprietary most of the time [11:27] Camarade_Tux: rma asap [11:27] (I went quickly through it and thought it had to be _higher_ than threshold) [11:27] the 140 aint accurate [11:28] actualy, if the "140" and "197" are raw numbers, they dont really mean anything. [11:28] Zordrak: will have to wait a bit but that's what I'm going to do [11:28] hdds have a _lot_ of spare space these days. [11:28] but 197 is like 50% more than 140 anyway [11:28] the drive is really recent [11:28] it's pathetic that manufacturers can't keep an updated list, if you participate in smart, you should participate in sharing the data [11:28] I'm going to fill the drive with a file full of zeroes and see how it changes [11:29] Camarade_Tux: and most of the values are counting backwards. really. i wouldnt put much any meaning to the raw values. [11:29] Camarade_Tux: dont bother... run Hitachi DFT on it [11:30] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:30] Zordrak: I don't have a cd drive for the computer... (well, maybe I can find one but not sure) [11:30] floppy? [11:30] even less likely :P [11:31] borrow one from another machine just to load dft? [11:31] wat's dft [11:31] only a laptop and this desktop here but I'll ask friends [11:31] what [11:31] drive fitness tool [11:31] drive fitness test [11:31] ok [11:31] equivalent of WD's DLG (data lifeguard diagnostics) [11:31] test [11:31] so i guess drive fitness testtool [11:32] problem if I set raid on this computer is that it'll make more noise and I'm sleeping next to it =/ [11:32] Camarade_Tux: if you have a floppy boot image, just dd that to an usb stick and boot from it. [11:32] "should work" [11:33] Camarade_Tux: dude.. you need to get your house in order.. what geek doesnt have a cd drive hanging around? :p [11:33] Zordrak: the ones with a well working PXE server setup. :P [11:33] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [11:33] and a true geek would have that old 5-1/4 floppy as well [11:33] Zordrak: I'm renting this place and I moved in quite recently ;-) [11:33] what progs can i use to read .pdf files in slack? [11:33] ahou: there should ALWAYS be some old hardware hnging around for emergencies [11:33] they're at my parents ;-) [11:34] thats why i stall have an external dial-up modem at home [11:34] stuart: xpdf should always be available, and okular in kde [11:34] stuart: acroread (SBo) xpdf or Okular [11:34] I like epdfview and apvlv (slackbuilds.org) [11:34] personally i use acroread [11:34] Zordrak: dont get me wrong. i have dvd drives, cd drives, 3.5" floppy, 5.25" floppy and most likely (not seen recently) two zip drives. doesnt mean i am willing to use them. :P [11:34] (adobe's) [11:34] ahou: about the usb key, right, I should try it [11:35] k thanks [11:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [11:39] anyone know what the eeepc 901 ships with? my mum has borrowed one and its asus branded.. can barely tell what the distro is since i cant see it myself [11:39] xandros? [11:40] s/?/!/? :) [11:40] hehe. Xandros is what early linux version shipped [11:40] I suppose they didn't switch [11:40] *nod* google seeming to agree now [11:40] ta [11:41] np [11:42] whats the xconfig command again to change my default xwin [11:44] xwmconfig [11:45] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:46] stuart: echo twm > .xinitrc!? [11:47] xwmconfig [11:48] oops, i see that, sorry [11:49] I think smartctl estimates my drive is going to die in a month :-) [11:49] isn't that only like 30% accurate anyways ? (google did a study on smart) [11:50] oh no, hopefully the opposite [11:50] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.51) joined ##slackware. [11:51] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:51] http://ln-s.net/5:Cn [11:52] (google study of smart therein) [11:53] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:54] iphone developer agreement hit /. for those interested [11:56] Agent57 (~nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:59] Zordrak: nice [12:03] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] does slackware knowledge carry over well with sun solaris? i might be needing to use sun a lot soon [12:04] not that much. solaris is sysV. [12:06] stuart: it depends on how many GNU tools are available on the solaris installation in question [12:06] damn [12:06] You wont get far with stock solaris 7, but an up to date solaris 10 with added gnu tools on top can be reasonably similar in many respects [12:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:07] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [12:07] in any case dont expect to get by without a reasonable helping of solaris specific knowledge [12:08] esp regarding the boot procedures and option [12:08] *s [12:08] get used to "Stop-A" [12:09] oh and dont expect much of #solaris.. in my experience the channel is generally populated by a small number of self righteous assholes who dont care how well intentioned you are or how well backgrounded, or how you present yourself they are simply xenophobic [12:09] but then i dont expect much else from people who choose to specialise in that ridiculous excuse for an operating system [12:09] nsswitch is alike in slack and solaris [12:10] [12:10] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6BFB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:12] lol ok [12:12] ttfn [12:13] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:14] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:15] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:30] theblatte (~theblatte@mna75-15-78-225-166-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] hi all [12:32] NyteOwl_ (~sysop@hlfx63-1-11.ns.sympatico.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:33] i just upgraded my 64-current, and it looks like emacs should have been rebuild against giflib, and it that it hasn't [12:33] $ ldd /usr/bin/emacs |grep ungif libungif.so.4 => not found [12:33] anyone aware of this problem? [12:34] theblatte: They noticed that, they're just still trying to compile emacs. [12:34] ok thanks [12:34] Reaver2 (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [12:34] I'm kidding. Sounds like someone needs to file a bug report. [12:34] i was afraid i was the only emacs user left ;) [12:34] gah [12:34] Action: jkwood prods alienBOB [12:34] haha, i thought that was a thinly veiled jab at emacs :) [12:35] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:35] slackware takes bug reports ? [12:36] lol [12:36] trhodes: Emacs won't notice. It's a little like punching the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man. [12:36] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [12:36] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [12:36] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:36] NyteOwl^ (~sysop@hlfx59-1-100.ns.sympatico.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:36] haha ;) [12:37] Nick change: NyteOwl^ -> NyteOwl [12:37] NyteOwl (~sysop@hlfx59-1-100.ns.sympatico.ca) left irc: Changing host [12:37] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [12:37] can you imagine if there was a bugzilla? jeev would be complaining all of the time [12:37] can i find the old libungif package somewhere in the meantime? [12:38] ftp mirrors [12:38] Action: theblatte shouldn't have thought to himself "let's be good and remove obsolete packages now" [12:38] theblatte, slackware-13.0 should have it on the mirror / your image [12:39] NyteOwl_ (~sysop@hlfx63-1-11.ns.sympatico.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:40] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.127.40) joined ##slackware. [12:42] it worked :) [12:42] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [12:45] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.142) joined ##slackware. [12:48] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:50] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:51] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-166-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [12:51] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[12:58] I have done this root@darkstar:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins# ln -s /usr/java/jre1.6.0_18/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so [12:58] trhodes, on soviet russia suns bough oracle? [12:59] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [12:59] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:00] any lmms users in here? [13:00] ohh! seamonkey test and doing well [13:00] anyone setup openvpn [13:00] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] le_prof: I tried it a bit, but it crashed too much to bear [13:02] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] I'm asking because it won't start after I've upgraded to -current as of today [13:03] probably it's libpng [13:03] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:03] I guess you should recompile [13:03] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:03] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [13:03] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [13:04] specifically: prof@circe:~$ lmms [13:04] lmms: symbol lookup error: lmms: undefined symbol: _ZN11QVectorData8allocateEii [13:04] I can only barely guess the headaches that libpng gave to Pat [13:04] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:04] le_prof: ldd lmms ? [13:04] maestrolinux, Slackware already comes with JRE installed, iirc... [13:04] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [13:04] and it installs to /usr/lib/java [13:05] yes, that's where I'm confused [13:05] not /usr/java [13:05] the only problem i had with libpng was a missing symlink [13:05] ok no work [13:06] what doesnt work [13:06] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:06] nessundorma: quite the stack of deps [13:07] maestrolinux, what does the following command print: echo $JAVA_HOME [13:07] ? [13:07] hcfd (~fed@host81-157-105-68.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] maestrolinux: what doesnt work [13:07] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [13:07] le_prof: and no missing library? [13:09] this is the only one that is not linked: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb775e000) there are about 20 or so and I don't want to paste them all in [13:09] $JAVA_HOME shows no result [13:09] hmm, mplayer now depends on libldap... [13:09] le_prof: nah, that's normal [13:10] but there are no missing libs noted [13:10] le_prof: ok, then I really don't know. [13:10] maestrolinux: whats /usr/lib/java/bin/java say [13:10] I think I'll just cmake uninstall and try re-installing it [13:11] le_prof: btw, I have lmms installed in /home, I tried running it after upgrading to -current, and it complained about libpng, but it started (somewhat) [13:11] not completely wasted time, but I just set it up last week and was having some serious fun with it [13:12] kleanchap (~subbarao@p5DC3095E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:12] seamokey and konkeror is ok [13:12] firefox no work [13:12] maestrolinux: yeah there is information on firefox 3.6 and java plugin on google [13:12] le_prof: as for the cause, really this week's changelog might be the cause :-) [13:13] might as well removepkg firefox though....its terrible [13:13] ain't it always! but then if you're gonna swim in the deep end... [13:14] I want to install SL13 using a thumb drive. I have the iso image, how do I create a bootable thumb drive with slack image? [13:14] http://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2010/01/firefox-36-and-java.html [13:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:15] kleanchap: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/BOOTING.TXT [13:15] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Client Quit [13:16] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:16] HeloFirneds: I will check it out. Thnx. [13:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:19] ok !!! tks ist work [13:20] was that a typo on the slackblogs site ? (sorry, I can't verify it myself at the moment) [13:21] nope no typos [13:21] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:22] vcbnxn (~vcbnxn@88-107-177-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:24] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:24] it should mount automatically if you are in the right groups [13:24] yes ^^ [13:25] in /media/ [13:25] or you can mount it manually if you know what device it will be [13:26] hm, it did show up on the 'devices plugged in' but when i click USB in dolphin it says error Dbus.error.accessdenied:rejected [13:27] Is it possible to burn an iso image to a thumb drive? not copying. [13:27] Immundus (~obi@g225049087.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:27] what does groups say? [13:28] is it NTFS formatted or fat32? [13:29] stuart: [13:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] HeloFirneds (189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kibpklmrrurlzpta) left ##slackware. [13:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:36] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:36] stuart: HeloFireneds wanted your "groups" output to see if that dbus error was really a (group) permissions problem [13:36] nvm he left [13:36] plugdev [13:36] are you in it ? [13:36] how do i see my groups output [13:37] just type groups at a command line (maybe even your alt + F2 launcher) [13:38] Sorry to bother you guys, but I'm in a hurry: does someone know how to test if a BASH script is run in the background or not (namely if using 'read' will cause the script to stop or not)? Checking for 'i' in '$-' and checking if PS1 is set don't work? [13:38] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [13:38] TERM=dumb ? [13:39] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:39] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev power netdev scanner [13:40] trhodes: Doesn't work, ./script and ./script & give the same output [13:41] stuart: now that is weird; it now sounds like a dbus issue. so you just want to mount the USB stick by hand then ? [13:41] yeah i finally found it, it's /dev/sdb1 and i mounted it, but i still can't get permissions on it [13:42] it seems to be 744 or something atm [13:42] so i can't copy from my hd to my usb [13:42] tried chown and chmod, umount and remounting.. [13:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:45] stuart: you get permission denied at the mount point ? [13:46] i can access the files, i just cna't copy into the usb, and i get the error at dolphin file browser [13:47] oh ok, dang, I can't help with dolphin atm (stuck on a windows machine) [13:48] bijit (~chatzilla@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [13:48] um, and the mountpoint is ug+w ?? [13:48] how can I install slackware on a raid1? Its a raid card [13:49] I was curious and filled my failing drive with a 360GB file full of zeroes and checked smartctl again: quite a lot of reallocated sectors [13:51] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) joined ##slackware. [13:52] nvm that, anyways.. after i download unrar.tar.gz from slackbuilds, and the source file, and do ./unrar.SlackBuild , can i delete those files? [13:52] like the unrar.tar.gz, and the unrar directory, and everything [13:52] you can [13:52] paissad__ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:52] k thank you [13:53] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:53] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:53] vhann: test -z PS1 ? [13:53] <_juan> what package gives konqueror and okular its icons? [13:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:53] trhodes: Nah, PS1 is set if I run the script './script &' [13:53] btw how do i browse my files through GUI as root? [13:54] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [13:54] trhodes: Sorry, PS1 isn't set. But it's not set even if I run the script ./script [13:55] nessundo1ma (~mike@78-134-75-254.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Rossonero (~Makaveli@wana-78-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:58] vhann: http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/localfiles/infofiles/bash/bashref_54.html [13:59] i wonder if PS1 is exported and therefore part of the problem [13:59] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [14:00] trhodes: Thanks, I'll check into that [14:00] well, it's what we've gone over already, 'cept for checking argv for -i [14:00] _juan: oxygen-icons [14:00] i wonder if you can see what your terminal (stdin/out) is connected to [14:01] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:02] ls -l /proc/self/fd/ #for an example (proc to the rescue) [14:02] bijit (~chatzilla@190.241.15.48) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920] [14:03] <_juan> thanks pprkut [14:04] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [14:05] how do i get a laptop's wifi running on slack [14:05] I use wicd out of /extra [14:05] You may need firmware though [14:07] how would i be able to scan available wifi connections [14:07] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:08] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53) joined ##slackware. [14:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.23) joined ##slackware. [14:09] stuart: while I appreciate your hunger for information...google is your friend :) [14:10] stuart: man iwlist # for the command line method :) [14:10] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.226.125.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] hm, i dont' seem to have that command? [14:12] it's in /sbin/ [14:12] and sbin probably is not in your path [14:14] vhann: so, you just want to be able to tell from within a script, if it has been backgrounded ? 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[14:24] hi...I found an error in Slackware 13.0 xmms build script, how do I report it [14:24] ardya: you could email Pat, what kind of error are we talking about? [14:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [14:24] incorrect ./configure arg for ipv6 support [14:25] the current pkg as shipped has no ipv6 support, although the build attemtps t enable it [14:25] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:26] personally .. I'd make a diff/patch of your buildscript and send that along to Pat [14:28] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:28] that implies ardya already knows how to fix it though. since the script attempts to enable it, why doesnt it work? [14:28] hi [14:29] sahk0: since he already figured it out that it's an incorrect argument. I sort of assumed he figured out the rest as well. :) [14:29] I installed compiz and emerald, but I cant set any emerald themes, so I dont have the minimize, maximize and close buttons =/ [14:30] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.51) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [14:31] BP{k}: maybe yeah. but afaict he just saw an error while building it. but it could be just an unavailable configure option. [14:31] anyway gtg figure out this months bills:) [14:31] sahk0: just quickly looked. pat uses "--with-ipv6" .. should be "--enable-ipv6" easy enough change [14:32] sahk0: that's simple, they all want all your money. ;-) [14:32] any idea what can i do? :) [14:32] --enabled-ipv6ness=very [14:32] Urchlay: :) [14:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:33] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] is there supposed to be some rationale for when to use --with and when to use --enable? (for the people writing the code I mean) [14:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] correct arg is --enable-ipv6 not --with-ipv6 [14:33] Urchlay, --with is for libs, --enable for program components. [14:33] I sent an email to info@ [14:34] is ipv6 a "lib" or a "program component"? [14:34] component. [14:34] i.e. a program module. [14:34] vcbnxn (~vcbnxn@88-107-177-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: [14:34] jonnie (~vcbnxn@88-107-177-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] iirc :-) [14:34] s/iirc/imho/ [14:34] (or both, you need an ipv6 library in order to link the component of this program that uses ipv6?) [14:34] how can you tell ? [14:34] s/imho/afaik/ [14:34] Urchlay: --with for stuff where you have the urge to add a /its/installed/here argument [14:35] heh. --with-foobarlib=/right/damn/here! [14:35] :) [14:36] so another dumbish question: how come the invalid --with-ipv6 argument doesn't cause configure to abort with an invalid argument error? [14:36] it should print a warning [14:36] (like --docdir does on some I've messed with) [14:37] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:38] I guess --with-.* and --enable-.* are always considered valid (--with-flying-space-monkeys!) [14:39] no, it's whatever the author of the configure script thinks :) [14:39] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:40] or the author of the configure script that was copied from... [14:41] or the author's author's configure script. [14:42] stack limit exceeded [14:42] Action: slava_dp if that makes any sense :-) [14:42] segmentation fault, core dumped [14:42] kleanchap (~subbarao@p5DC3095E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:43] Aldaron (1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) left ##slackware. 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[15:02] weeee' [15:03] vhann: if $5 and $8 differ, tada! (you have a bg job) [15:03] Card is Atheros AR5001 rev01 [15:03] It used to work with the ath5k module.. [15:04] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:04] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:04] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Guest49919 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [15:07] Guest49919 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Nick change: Guest49919 -> pragma_ [15:08] Axtroz (~4d4e0f08@gateway/web/freenode/x-hgbzerzoldedxhrd) left irc: [15:09] its interesting how many people did the last updates in -current "scared away" back to 13.0 :) [15:09] -d [15:10] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] not me [15:11] KB1JWQ (KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left ##slackware ("I came, I saw, I /parted"). [15:11] sahk0: good isn't it? :-) [15:12] the latest -current is the only ver that's worked for the i3 pc's intel graphics card. slack 13.0 drivers failed miserably. [15:13] Action: slava_dp praises the latest xorg/mesa/etc. developments [15:14] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [15:14] Old_Spike0 (Old_Spike@82.158.226.125.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:15] http://www.digiampietro.com/content/i_and_linux/my_first_linux_cd_rom.html  Is it possible to download is image of this? [15:16] BP{k}: many people seem to have switched to current for the kde improvements. so its logical that some of them werent up to it. at least not keeping up with the tree. and the latest updates were indeed massive [15:16] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [15:16] Necrosporus, somewhere, surely. [15:16] also surprised to see the 2.6.33 kernel without a bugfix version no. attached to it. dont remember happening again [15:16] Necrosporus, what would you use sls for? [15:17] hey guys, regarding the nvidia 195.36.08 driver warning issued, i can't switch to the 190 drivers as they won't build on -current... my fan speeds seem to be fine, that enough ? [15:17] sahk0, yeah, I actually stayed on 2.6.32.9. [15:18] phrag, cards reportedly burned under load. be careful. [15:18] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] phrag: i trusted pprkut on this one who said he hadnt had any issues. the temp is ~ 60 C at all times here. with 195.36.08 [15:19] slava_dp, I just would like to try it and compare with modern distributions [15:19] the previous versions seem to need a patch [15:19] Necrosporus, lol, on what hardware are you going to 'try' it? :-) [15:20] hmm, ok thanks guys [15:20] phrag, probably it's better, to avoid using nvidia driver completely, use nouveau instead [15:20] i always keep an eye on my temps [15:21] slava_dp, Celeron 2600 MHz, pentium4 class, 32 bits and so on [15:21] Necrosporus: yeh? i may give it a shot [15:21] It runs Windows 3.11 [15:21] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:22] phrag, what do you mean? [15:22] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] WFW3.11 was one of M$ better products [15:22] heh [15:22] I suppose, windows nt 3.x was better [15:23] Necrosporus: i mean i may try nouveau [15:23] (even tho i always forget how to spell it) =P [15:23] NT was a bastardized OS/2 when M$ got in a n argument with IBM over development and went their own way [15:23] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:24] Probably MS software is useless and proprietary [15:24] probably [15:24] sahk0, phrag: I'm running .03 not .08. Don't know about that one [15:24] Anyway, is it possible, to get SLS CD-ROM iso image? [15:25] With linux 0.9x or 1.0 and so on [15:25] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:25] Necrosporus: possibly? [15:26] NyteOwl: MS didn't get in an argument with IBM, MS decided they wanted the whole enchilada and basically trashed OS/2 - like all other partners with them [15:26] Necrosporus: I have an od SLS [15:26] ./unix-development/SLS/SLS-1.05.tar.bz2 [15:26] it's only 41M [15:26] http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/ [15:26] It's not a CD [15:27] ... [15:27] I would prefer a CD-ROM [15:27] Necrosporus: there probably *weren't* CDs in that age [15:27] so you won't find a CDROm [15:27] or an ISO [15:27] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Necrosporus: right, and making it yourself is a problem *how*? [15:27] this thing was meant for floppies! [15:27] bunch of floppies - I remember d/l them :) [15:27] necro collectors O_O [15:27] blue_ (~blue@188.34.66.57) joined ##slackware. [15:27] MoZes, have you tried to install it? [15:28] Necrosporus: no but it might be funny fora laugh :) [15:28] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [15:28] perhaps try under vmware or virtualbox? [15:28] Necrosporus: I doubt it'd install on any modern hardware [15:28] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.26.138) joined ##slackware. [15:28] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:28] blue_ (~blue@188.34.66.57) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] MoZes, if MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 works well, why not SLS? [15:29] niels horns' site might be of interest [15:29] because it wouldn'#t have drivers for the IDE chipsets or SCSI chipsets [15:29] (and yes, he used VM's) [15:29] Does DOS? [15:29] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:29] Necrosporus: you *may* be able to get it running in the basic IDE mode, if you have an IDE (rather than SATA) chipset [15:29] Anyway, I can use qemu [15:29] dos doesn't care [15:30] I have both sata and IDE [15:30] let's port sata drivers to linux 0.99. [15:30] Necrosporus: http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_old.php [15:30] So it probably would work [15:31] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Action: slava_dp wonders if he's on ignore with someone already :) [15:31] btw, has anyone seen slava_dp lately? I wonder where he is.... [15:32] Action: slava_dp jumps "I'm here, I'm HERE!" [15:32] Necrosporus: I'd be interested to know if it works [15:32] slava_dp: :P [15:33] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:33] What is last SLS version before the first Slackware? [15:33] very cool page trhodes, is that all your work? [15:33] Necrosporus: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/sls/ [15:34] AEnima1577: nope, that's the fine work of niels horn (i just like his site( [15:34] *) [15:34] trhodes, already downloading. but I ask for CD-ROM iso [15:34] haha, CDROM / sls ? :P [15:34] So make it yourself... [15:34] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] http://www.digiampietro.com/content/i_and_linux/my_first_linux_cd_rom.html  Is it possible to download is image of this? [15:34] touche' [15:35] * my prev post [15:35] trhodes, there was official cdrom [15:35] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:36] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("BitchX: There is no reason."). [15:36] the official cdrom will burst in modern full-speed cdrom/dvd drives. better be careful. [15:37] hey, what beats goin' out with a bang ?? [15:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:37] slava_dp, I would like it's iso image [15:38] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:38] hmm, nouvaue driver just gives blank screen [15:38] phrag, have you compiled kernel drm module? [15:38] Action: slava_dp checks Xorg.0.log for phrag [15:38] nouveau doesnt work with the drm from the kernel [15:38] Hm... What about vesa driver? [15:38] at least its latest git doesnt [15:39] it works with 2.6.34 ;) [15:39] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.26.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:40] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.18.129) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Necrosporus: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2750 [15:41] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [15:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. 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[15:53] o Fernando Rangel disse que: Linux é uma bosta [15:53] no hablo dingely dongely [15:56] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:57] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hi [15:57] Hi Dell Latitude 2100 netbook here with slack 13.0 . When I start KDE i get sound error alc272 analog does not work. But if I got in a terminal and mpg123 file.mp3 I can hear the mp3. But from KDE no sound at all. WHen I goto system settings Multimedia I see Esound (ESD) and HDA Intel (ALC272 analog) when i click Test on any of them errors. I ran alsaconf it is alsa 1.0.21 here - anyone can help? [15:57] augusto: how is Fernando Rangel ? [15:58] uva (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:58] augusto (~augusto@189-041-11-023.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [15:58] gar0t0: tum dum tizzzzzzzz [15:58] James____, try a different kernel. [15:59] xMDKx: ;) [15:59] 2.6.29.6-smp here [15:59] is there package for a newer one i can upgrade to? [15:59] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:00] there was a 2.6.30.x package in testing, not sure if that one is patched [16:00] but you can try it. [16:00] on what link [16:00] can i download [16:01] chico (~chico@24.115.210.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:01] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5/ [16:01] so i just download all files there [16:01] and pkgtool [16:01] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-75-254.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:01] and then change lilo.conf to the new [16:01] right? [16:01] there is a readme, please read it. [16:01] hugleo (~hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ae [16:01] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.18.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:02] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.18.129) joined ##slackware. [16:02] mayday-jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-77-224.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. 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[16:39] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:39] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [16:40] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [16:42] FreeNoder (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-hcsbnwwgxpqaeebj) joined ##slackware. [16:45] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-77-224.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [16:46] =D [16:46] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:46] epoch again [16:46] yeah [16:46] slow day? [16:46] yea [16:46] h [16:47] veritos (veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:48] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-18-231.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-18-231.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [16:48] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [16:49] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:52] hi [16:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:53] if I try to run a program using sudo y tells me that the program doesnt exist =/ [16:53] how can I fix this? [16:53] biker: Those porgrams aren't in your path by default. You can specify the path to them. [16:54] jkwood, how? =) [16:54] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] like if i write: sudo kwrite file ,., it tells me kwrite doesnt exist [16:54] Well, for example, /sbin/reboot [16:54] Okay, that's a bit weird. [16:55] biker: paste exact call and error please. [16:55] Is this in the Alt+F2 menu? [16:56] jkwood, no [16:56] in a konsole [16:56] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:56] That's extremely strange. [16:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ybsomznsekzabeln) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [16:57] biker: did you try with a non kde app? [16:58] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:59] I wrote: sudo slackpkg update [16:59] and it returned me: sudo: slackpkg: command not found [16:59] sahk0, ahou [16:59] No, because this is not Ubuntu where you run everything with sudo [17:00] ahou (user4371@p5799E5AB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:00] alienBOB, so those system commands I must call them being root (su) ? [17:00] Sure. And use "su -" [17:01] alienBOB, whats the difference between su and su - ? [17:01] You'll find out soon enough [17:01] lol ok :) [17:01] - brings you to / [17:01] No that is not it [17:01] thats hardly a difference [17:02] "su" leaves you in the current directory [17:02] my bad [17:02] hah [17:02] =p [17:02] please inform me [17:02] well thank you a lot :) [17:02] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:02] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] I found a difference [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-63.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] su - gives you a fortune phrase :p [17:03] and su not [17:03] xD [17:03] nice? [17:03] monstro (1000@189.111.22.81) joined ##slackware. [17:03] biker: su - is a login shell. So, it acts the same as if you logged in as root directly. [17:03] howto enable dnsmas on slackware 12.2 ? Which the steps ? [17:04] jkwood, oooo okokok [17:04] thanks =) [17:04] is happypenguin.org down [17:05] monstro: chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.dnsmasq; nano -w /etc/dnsmasq/dnsmasq.conf; /etc/rc.d/rc.dnsmasq restart [17:06] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/happypenguin.org [17:09] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:12] LitesterB (unknown@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] so $company wants me to relocate for $35k, for a linux sysadmin spot [17:14] why do these people think I'm that stupid? [17:15] is it a call center? [17:15] v4nelle (~van@188.4.180.98.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] I guess... it's a hosting provider [17:15] I'll accept $35k to relocate. What's the salary? [17:15] heh, yeah [17:15] :D [17:16] lol @jkwood [17:16] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] can't comment about hosting companies. ;) [17:18] monstro (1000@189.111.22.81) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:21] anyone bought a hard drive with 4KB sectors? [17:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:24] LitesterB (unknown@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Good bye [17:25] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:25] v4nelle (~van@188.4.180.98.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[17:55] do people still run ext3 or is it ext4 nowadays here [17:56] i've heard of folks using ext3 here [17:56] (recently) [17:57] i wonder if i should continue slackware kvm host or if i should use esxi [17:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] issue with esxi is no console access if i recall from outside [17:57] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:59] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:59] from what i've been reading... ext4 is fail [17:59] it's messed up and corrupted for many people [17:59] and the fixes in recent kernel versions have traded performance for reliability. [18:00] so now it might be safer in newer kernels, but it's slow as molasses [18:00] sabns (~foma@88.224.62.97) joined ##slackware. [18:01] I have not had any major problems, *knocks on wood* [18:01] hmm [18:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Delayed_allocation_and_potential_data_loss [18:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:02] i've decided to stick with ext3 for the time being. [18:02] hmm fark [18:03] v4nelle (~van@188.4.180.98.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] do you have a package manager to control dependencies? [18:03] and according to phoronix's tests (phoronix is pretty lame and obnoxious, but their tests are usually solid), ext4 performance is now getting worse and worse with every kernel release. [18:03] chico (~chico@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [18:03] it's a very messed up situation. they rushed ext4 to production before it was ready. [18:03] Nick change: chico -> ron1n [18:04] the good news though, is that google, has decided that they are going to migrate to ext4, and they hired the main developer of it i believe, so as a result, the filesystem will hopefully get a lot more attention now. [18:04] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Azalyn: I have been using reiser for years, and will keep using it. [18:04] given that google *needs* performance, i'm hoping they'll resolve those issues. [18:05] Slackware64-Current Flash PLayer segmentantion fault on Firefox-3.6 any ideas ? [18:05] hey guys, where should I put MAKEOPTS environment variable so it gets loaded everytime a root shell opens? (or even when I boot) [18:05] "line 131 - seg fault '$prog' ${1+'$@'} :/ [18:05] thumbs: well, that's fine for you... [18:05] but i'd feel awkward using that. [18:06] Azalyn: how so? [18:06] Azalyn: I trust reiser more on production servers than I trust ext3 [18:06] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:07] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] because although i'm logical with most things, for certain things, i am emotional, i am human after all. and i just don't like the idea if using something associated with a murderer. [18:07] thumbs: Careful, I heard Reiser has killer performance issues. [18:07] *sigh* [18:07] ron1n, either modify /etc/profile or add a script that exports it into /etc/profile.d [18:07] jkwood: hahaha [18:08] if you want to get the most performance out of caches you have to use them and not write everything to disk immediatly so data will get lost on crash [18:08] sabns (~foma@88.224.62.97) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:08] Azalyn: umm, it's a PRODUCTION SERVER. No emotion is required. [18:08] jkwood: not to mention killer features [18:08] you can sigh all you want, but if it was someone you knew that he killed, someone you were close to, you might feel differently. [18:08] Azalyn: I doubt it was someone that was close to you. [18:08] it wasn't, but i just happen to be more empathic. [18:08] Azalyn: technical decisions must not be emotional. [18:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.99) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i didn't claim it was technical. [18:09] in fact i even attached a disclaimer to explicitly note that it wasn't a technical concern. [18:09] thumbs, reiser has cvs access from jail ? :D [18:09] Action: jkwood logs off for the night [18:09] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:10] jeev: even if he did, so what? [18:10] you mean didn't [18:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:10] thumbs: i think he's making a chroot joke.. :| [18:11] it's not just about emotions - there is some ethical question of right or wrong to use technology developed by a man who killed his wife [18:11] where do we draw the line?> [18:11] child molesters or...? [18:11] rapists? [18:11] well, i've had the same argument before, with others... which is why i decided to make a disclaimer this time. [18:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:11] Just my 2 cents anyway [18:11] because the last time it became a flamewar. [18:11] heh [18:12] i never said anything dive [18:12] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [18:12] I just can't grasp why folks would *refuse* to use a piece of code based on the action of its original author. [18:12] bush killed a million people in the middle east, i still live in the same country he does [18:12] they asked me what i'd do if someone had 'contributed' to a project like the linux kernel... or whatever. [18:12] thumbs, i dont care what he did, i dont know shit about reiser. [18:12] fs [18:12] thumbs: well, the fact that it's *named* after him... is a bit worse. [18:12] Azalyn: I have no issue with the name. [18:13] also, his psychiatrist says he's a narcissist. [18:13] Azalyn: the OS works fantasticly well for me. [18:13] s/OS/fs/ [18:13] i'm well willing to try it on the other server and do a comparison on benchmarks [18:13] well, that's fine. but i can't be a cold-blooded robot about *everything* [18:13] why do you use reiser [18:13] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:13] but i respect your decision. [18:13] i hope you can respect mine. [18:13] jeev: tons of small files. It's *lightning* fast. [18:14] thumbs, i'm gonna run slackware host linux-kvm, hardware raid 1 [18:14] could i consider them tons of files if the actual servers are on a lvm ? [18:14] jeev: consider / [18:14] jeev: /home can be on ext3, xfs, whatever. [18:15] jeev: however, / has tons of small text files, and so on. [18:15] i should probably use lvm though, over just a single raw file eh ? [18:15] jeev: I use LVM + reiserfs + RAID1 [18:16] Azalyn: so what merit made you choose ext3 over * ? [18:16] silvergun (~silvergun@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] ok...... i'll think about it, running bench [18:17] if i want to clone a windows drive from 160gb to 200gb, dont care about the space, should i just dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb and it'll take the partitions with it and stuff ? [18:17] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:18] i dont see why not, wee [18:18] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [18:18] tried, tested, true. compatible with ext2, and it's the best supported. i was interested in xfs at one point, but i read about how it had data loss problems when you lose power (issues that don't happen on irix, but do in linux) [18:19] Azalyn, how often do you lose power? [18:19] and so i became paranoid and decided to just stick with what i knew worked well. [18:19] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Azalyn: fair enough. [18:20] Azalyn: I had a near-all-data-loss situation with ext3, once. [18:20] Immundus: every now and then.. although back when i made the decision to use ext3, i didn't have UPS. now i do, so it may be less significant. but you never know. :) [18:20] i'm looking forward to btrfs though. [18:21] although i refuse to call it "butter", that's silly. i'll just spell each letter when saying it. ;P [18:21] uva_ (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] 36DAACFQT (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] 36DAACFQT (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:23] uva_ (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Azalyn: I was not interested to start a holy war, or flame war, for the record. [18:24] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.49.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:24] rebelion5 (rebelion@cpc1-nmal7-0-0-cust82.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:24] Azalyn: I was merely looking for a technical debate over the various filesystems. [18:25] i should maybe have specified that my concern wasn't a technical one from the start, instead of being cryptic. hehe [18:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:25] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:26] looking back on it, i guess i got your hopes up for a technical discussion, since i didn't specify what my concern was about from the start. [18:26] like a cocktease. hehe [18:27] spell each letter when saying it? bee eee eee - tee eee eee - aye are eee - eee eff eff - eee ess ess? [18:28] hey guys, when I try to open alsamixer I get a weird message like this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [18:28] ron1n: are you root? [18:28] it's making it difficult to troubleshoot problems I'm having in XBMC [18:29] thumbs, no, but I'm part of the audio group so it shouldn't matter; correct? [18:29] ron1n: I'm curious to see if you still get the error as root. [18:29] thumbs, alrighty, I'll give it a shot [18:30] thumbs, yes, I still get the error as root [18:30] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:31] ron1n: ok, that's a good thing. [18:31] ron1n: pastebin the lsmod output [18:31] thumbs, kay [18:31] ron1n: also, is this the stock kernel? [18:32] thumbs, yes. And I should also note sound IS working in KDE4, just not music playback in XBMC. I'm pretty sure it's this is related. [18:33] hello [18:33] ron1n: hold on, let me get there. [18:33] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.75.197) joined ##slackware. [18:34] thumbs, sure thing. Heres the pastebin http://pastebin.com/ncZw60hm [18:34] ron1n: aha, snd_intel8x0 [18:34] i have this svg which i can export to separate images ... is there an easy way to make a flash animation in linux with the counter part images ? of the svg ? [18:34] http://imagebin.org/88259 [18:35] also, pastebin is looking mighty spiffy these days. I like. [18:35] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [18:35] i'd like the arches come across the screen aswell as some text until the final image gets constructed ... [18:36] ron1n: I wonder if you can force xbmc to use OSS [18:37] thumbs, I tried aoss to no avail [18:38] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:38] thumbs, also, I compiled xbmc with pulseaudio support, and of built pulseaduio from SBo subsequently [18:38] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.23) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:39] ron1n: umm [18:40] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [18:40] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:40] dsockwell: not like THAT. just "bee-tee-are-eff-ess" [18:40] quickly. [18:40] is Flashplayer work in Slack64-current ? [18:41] beady orifice. [18:42] mine worked fine with OSS. [18:42] thumbs, anyway to force OSS (other than calling aoss) [18:42] thumbs, here..."segmentantion fault" line 131 ;/ [18:42] ron1n: I'm trying to recall how I did it. [18:43] StarX: sorry, I only run slack13 32bit [18:43] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] thumbs, tks anyway ;D [18:44] what are the nfs devices called? [18:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:46] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:48] like I said, I hear the navigation sounds, it's just when I try to play music back, it tells me to check my audio settings. Could be related to my alsamixer error. Not sure. [18:48] ron1n: really odd. Checked the xmbc forums? [18:49] thumbs, found something about using pasuspender, but it didn't help about [18:49] didn't help at all* [18:50] thumbs, I'll keep lurking the forums, it's most likely due to the fact I'm picky and would perfer to use pulseaudio [18:50] Spkz (~jircii@201-92-229-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:50] thanks for your help [18:50] alguém já usou o AndLinux [18:50] ? [18:50] anyone used AndLinux? [18:50] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:50] Spkz, english here ;D [18:51] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:51] Spkz: this is the slackware linux support channel. [18:51] sorry, i'm trouble with network in AndLinux... [18:51] Spkz, check their documentation or support channels [18:51] i'm looking for channel relative this [18:51] =) [18:51] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] tks [18:51] Spkz: well we don't support AndLinux, sorry. [18:52] StevenR_ (~foo@cpc1-brad19-2-0-cust230.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] besides. AndLinux is scary. [18:53] ugh, a ubuntu clone, from within a RUNNING windows instance? [18:53] that's terrible. [18:54] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.18.129) joined ##slackware. [18:56] i'm gonna do a bench on same system, same everything.. just reiser [18:56] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] much easier question (hopefully) [18:57] LTL2h (~chatzille@AToulouse-258-1-31-223.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:57] indeed, beyond the use slackware, windows xp running blackbox, I installed andLinux and I use all spending 400mb ram, with incredible speed [18:57] mkisofs outputs to stdout correct? [18:57] not terrible.. [18:57] trust me [18:57] thank god for pxe [18:57] sorry for my english [18:58] Spkz: you'll find that we're not big fans of ubuntu, or any clone of it. [18:58] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [18:58] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [18:58] Spkz, or any flavor of Debian [18:58] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] kkkk ;x [18:58] Spkz, we're known to kill people who use those distributions and eat them for breakfast [18:59] more specifically, their package management ideals are the anti-slack [18:59] hmmm freash meat :x [18:59] kkk [18:59] StarX, not always. some people dont even shower, so we have to skin [18:59] just comment [18:59] =p [18:59] klaatu_afk (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:59] especially them centos users, by the time they figure out their 47,000 repo's, 6 days has gone by without a shower [19:00] jeev, KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK [19:00] heh [19:00] na verdade queria saber se tem como eu pegar os drivers da wifi broadcom no slackware com algum software e utilizar em outra versão do linux por exemplo backtr [19:00] really wanted to know if I have to get the broadcom wifi drivers in slackware with some software and use it on another version of Linux for example backtrack [19:01] what [19:01] jeev, better than those gentoo admins who spent their whole day scratching their heads during upgrades =P [19:01] ron1n, seriously [19:01] Just kidding! Great respect to those gentoo guys. [19:01] <- not kidding. [19:01] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:01] Spkz: we don't support backtrack here either. [19:02] Spkz: once you install slackware, please let us know. [19:02] Spkz, tem mas aqui é um péssimo lugar pra vc descobrir isso. Que tal ir pro #gnulinux ? ;D [19:02] Spkz, here is a slackware place. [19:02] eu vi [19:02] mas a dúviad era sobre slack [19:03] #slackware-br [19:03] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:03] you speak english or portuguese native? [19:03] Starx [19:03] jessicaa (e_k@41.236.14.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:04] Spkz, portuguese man [19:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Somebody with slackware 64 and flash player working ? [19:06] StevenR_ (~foo@cpc1-brad19-2-0-cust230.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:07] StevenR_ (~foo@cpc1-brad19-2-0-cust230.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] StarX: Yes, working fine here... [19:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:07] goarilla (~goarilla@240.251-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:07] niels_horn, can you send me a ls /var/log/package plz ? maybe a pastebin ? [19:08] niels_horn, here i got a segmentation fault in line 131 in run-mozilla.sh oo" [19:09] StarX: I have tons of packages installed on this Slack64 machine :) [19:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] goarilla (~goarilla@104.254-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. 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[19:11] niels_horn, flash 10.0 R45 [19:11] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:11] StarX: I know it works fine in youtube etc [19:12] StarX: OK, I never did the upgrade... [19:12] kkkkkk ;D [19:13] wget' ing your version [19:14] uva_ (~uva@114-36-231-54.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:16] F00F-BUG (~Administr@82.113.106.101) joined ##slackware. [19:16] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:16] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [19:16] elliot (~elliot@bzq-79-177-24-129.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.18.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:16] Nick change: elliot -> Guest70463 [19:17] niels_horn, installpkg and the same error :c [19:17] strace dont help... [19:18] StarX: Seems something else is borked then... :( [19:19] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:19] StarX: Did you try another browser? [19:19] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:21] seamonkey same error [19:21] suicide solution kkkkkk [19:21] open window.... [19:21] :x [19:22] YES! [19:22] aaa_elflibs upgrade [19:22] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:22] StarX: umm? [19:22] niels_horn, slackpkg dont upgrade aaa_elflibs [19:22] the 32 version is supposed to have serious bugs [19:23] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] well....i upgrade all slack64-13 to slack64-current using slackpkg [19:23] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [19:23] StarX: it does, if you change the /etc/slackpkg/blacklist file [19:23] aaa_elflibs is blacklisted [19:23] yeap [19:23] i comment, ugprade and work ^^ [19:23] *upgrade [19:24] why aaa_elflibs is blacklisted ? oo" [19:24] Just remember only to upgrade elflibs when it comes out, not afterwards [19:24] niels_horn, k no problems [19:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Because libraries might have been updated since it was released [19:25] hmm ok [19:25] niels_horn, tks for help ;D [19:25] So you should *only* upgrade elflibs when it appears in the ChangeLog [19:25] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.117.78) joined ##slackware. [19:25] hmmmm this is a suicide solution kkkk ;x [19:26] StarX: De nada [19:26] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:26] niels_horn, ^^ [19:26] World cup 2014 :X [19:27] StarX: and the 2016 Olympics :) [19:29] hell yeahh!! 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[20:20] thumbs, my benchmark ext4 vs reiser, ext4 scored 3300 points, reiser scored 3050 or so, same hardware. same default slack set up. it's 'unixbench 5.1.2' i think from webhostingtalk.com. took into consideration other stuff [20:21] 3169 i mean not 3050.. just random numbers but file copy scored a lot higher on ext4 [20:22] try some test with phoronix [20:23] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:28] shyko (~shyko@201-76-72-134.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [20:29] shyko (~shyko@201-76-72-134.flash.tv.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] shyko (~shyko@201-76-72-134.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [20:29] shyko (~shyko@201-76-72-134.flash.tv.br) left irc: Changing host [20:29] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [20:31] hmm [20:31] never heard of it, lets see [20:32] phoronix test suite ? http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/download.php?file=phoronix-test-suite-2.4.1 [20:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:36] thumbs, now slack64 is full working ^^ [20:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:37] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:37] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [20:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:39] StarX: good! [20:41] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:02] heya phoenix^..not too bad thanks...you? [21:03] I'm great, thank you. :) [21:04] macius (~macius@i209-195-110-28.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] phoenix^, Had a chance to mess around with Opera 10.50? [21:05] hey im pretty new to this, trying to upgrade kernel version, everything seems to be straight forward after reading the slackbook although after downloading and uncompressing the image is where im confused [21:05] MLanden: sure have, been keeping up with it the whole cycle, I'm not using it as much as I used to, but have certainly tested it out, very very fast, js stuff especially. Final release will be out soon too. [21:05] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] phoenix^, so I've read [21:06] do i make a symbolic link to /usr/src/linux overwriting the current dir? or am i able to do it from whereever i uncompress the archieve [21:06] MLanden: Another nice thing is that 10.50 eliminates the qt4 dependency. [21:06] why do you want to do that? [21:06] leave /usr/src/linux alone [21:06] kk [21:07] so i dont have to touch that at all during the process? [21:08] it confused me when it i read to navigate to that dir so yeah , kk ty everything else should be easy enough :) [21:08] phoenix^, cool [21:08] MLanden: eliminating that dep is one of the reasons the linux version of it isn't final yet, a lot of work to make that happen. [21:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:10] is opera the one i can r00t by putting a nice content-length header on my page? [21:11] phoenix^, always been a work in progress [21:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:13] anyone know why the ##slackware logs aren't available? [21:13] macius_ (~macius@i209-195-85-37.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] mancha, are you at the web page where they are kept? [21:15] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [21:15] can't connect to it [21:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:15] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:15] might be down temporarily [21:15] wigglet or whateverr....doesn't let me connect, been down for days now [21:15] Delahunt: just gives: Sorry, the blog you were looking for does not exist. [21:16] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:16] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:16] Hmm, now it worked here. [21:16] now it quit. :P [21:17] phoenix^, http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ ? [21:17] macius (~macius@i209-195-110-28.cia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:17] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:17] yeah got an error here as well [21:17] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:17] MLanden: At first I went to freenodeslack.blogspot.com, that didn't load, then I refreshed and it did, and then I clicked for the logs and that gives Unable to connect. [21:18] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] [|HuGO|] (~hugo@160-154-20-190.adsl.terra.cl) joined ##slackware. [21:18] phoenix^, same here [21:18] yo MLanden [21:18] heya,mfillpot...how's things? [21:19] ok so i'm not the only one who can't read the brillian pearls uttered in #slackware then :) [21:19] s/brillian/brilliant [21:19] MLanden, good, I finally got a laptop and now I am fighting to get the cooling managed [21:19] fighting to get cooling managed? seriously? [21:20] mfillpot, cool...what make and model? [21:20] I think I may be spoiled by my X2 in the desktop that runs ar 44-47C [21:20] s/ar/at/ [21:20] Razec (1000@189-92-43-234.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:20] [|HuGO|] (hugo@160-154-20-190.adsl.terra.cl) left ##slackware. [21:20] phoronix.. ran it i'll paste it soon [21:21] MLanden, compaq cq60 with an intel celeron 900 that runs at 50C on minimal load [21:21] mfillpot, **OUCH** [21:21] ah that's why, compaq, and an older one [21:21] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:22] are you sure that thing is not due a BIOS update? [21:22] Action: Delahunt is surprised it even works any more [21:22] it is a brand new cheap one, I am normally very against laptops for the cooling but I need this for a trip [21:22] oh this is a new compaq netbook? [21:23] Delahunt, yes, I got it on saturday at best buy [21:23] bring a can of compressed air for blasting the cpu heatsink 8-) [21:23] mfillpot, able to mod it easily to cool it? [21:23] the big thing I looked for was the atheros wifi [21:23] mfillpot, you're using slackware 13? [21:23] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:23] I am using slackware 13.0 32-bit [21:23] ah [21:23] does it come with a 64bit or 32bit OS? [21:23] I am thinking that some modules may not have loaded that can control the heat because win7 seems to be running cooler [21:24] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [21:24] celeron 900? 900mhz? [21:24] Delahunt, it can with win7 64-bit, which is funny since it is a single core cpu [21:24] Delahunt, 2.2Ghz [21:24] it's not funny, you might've gotten one of those nice 64bit atoms [21:24] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:24] er, nevermind, at least it's 64bit though [21:25] maybe you should try slackware 64bit, maybe the cooling drivers are 64bit only? not sure [21:25] it's 32-bit but the idiots who made it installed 64-bit win**** [21:25] you're SURE? [21:25] if it's 64bit win7 and you have a 32bit CPU it should NOT run [21:25] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:26] if it runs cooler, you're implying it runs, which means either your CPU is 64bit or vista is 32bit [21:26] can you paste the family/stepping from /proc/cpuinfo or the model # cpu from the sticker? [21:27] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] Delahunt, done't you mean from dmidecode? [21:27] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] Action: Delahunt shrugs [21:27] just some way to tell what it is [21:27] please [21:27] Delahunt, type 0 family 6 model 23 stepping 10 [21:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:28] damn after i load xrandr X locks up on exit [21:30] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:31] mfillpot, i'm having a hard time finding it, what is the exact model # compaq computer this is? [21:32] Delahunt, compaq presario cq60-615dx [21:33] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:34] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:34] Delahunt, by my understanding this cpu can emulate 64-bit to utilize additional memory [21:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:35] mfillpot, dual booting or fresh slackware install? [21:36] MLanden, it now dual boots win7, slackware and ubuntu [21:36] mfillpot, ok [21:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:37] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:39] whats the best choice, install slack over NFS,HTTP? (lan) [21:39] mfillpot, it's 64 bit [21:40] powtrix, um maybe nfs, don't know [21:40] i would think nfs > http for installing but i don't know to be honest [21:40] apache's got a 0-day for those using http on yer slack dunno if pat already released a patch [21:40] Delahunt, http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41498&code=Intel%C2%AE+Celeron%C2%AE+Processor+900+(1M+Cache,+2.20+GHz,+800+MHz+FSB) [21:40] singe core [21:41] last time I installed via NFS the lag was big.. [21:41] mfillpot, i was going by the wiki [21:41] Delahunt, but yes, I now see the 64-bit instruction set, I will test ubuntu 64-bit to see how it interacts [21:42] why bother? try slack 64 first 8-) [21:44] garme (~garme@187.79.68.82) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Delahunt, heh, I am grabbing the dvd image now, we will see how it goes ;) [21:44] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:45] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] k [21:45] sorry, I pressed the wrong button [21:45] now I have to wait ~20 minutes to get the iso [21:45] lol [21:46] Delahunt, fios is nice when you need something [21:46] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [21:46] powtrix: nfs is faster than http if you have a lot of small requests [21:47] (small requests sounds like a, ap, d, n, l, series, etc) [21:47] for all my network based installs i have noticed slight advantage of NFS over http, precisely because of that [21:48] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [21:48] ananke, thanks man, you rock 8-) [21:49] "Experience with WinZip preferred " # they're kidding, right? [21:49] lol [21:49] when i do installs on my servers with ~700 packages in less than 4 minutes, nfs really proves to be faster when fetching those individual packages [21:49] http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html [21:49] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [21:50] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [21:50] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:51] right, installing via NFS again. [21:51] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [21:51] slackware-current on Sempron 2400+ over lan :) [21:52] Has anyone had any problems with rc.inet1 lately? I'm using it with wifi and i find that i ALWAYS have to `dhcpcd -k wlan0; dhcpcd wlan0` before it works properly. [21:52] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [21:53] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:53] also if you do lots of apache serviing, php has a 0-day; i don't think pat's released an update to that [21:53] mmlj4, damn...guess that excludes WinRAR and WinACE...:P [21:54] garme (~garme@187.79.68.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:55] uhmm, what's so unusal about that job posting? familiarity with winzip is exactly what that position calls for [21:55] Where's Olbermann at? [21:56] if you've used winzip for more than 5 minutes, you're an expert [21:56] it's a very simple program. would "expert" imply they have worked on that program (source code)? [21:56] i like how you project your level of technical expertise onto others [21:57] Delahunt: it says 'experience' not 'expert' [21:57] oh [21:57] it does seem a trivial application to mention on a job posting [21:58] Action: Delahunt is a notepad expert, defrag expert, disk cleanup expert .... 8-) [21:58] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:58] this position is clearly an entry level job, focused on processing data coming from customers. dealing with archives is preferred. what's so hard to understand? [21:58] hey [21:58] bachelor's degree or equivalent work experience [21:58] because it seems a trivial application to mention, that's all [21:59] Delahunt: it's essential to the job [21:59] dude we said "seems" not "is" [21:59] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [21:59] it's the perception we are commenting on, not how relative it is to the position [22:00] how can i dial out with wvdial without being in root? i tried visudo and added it, but still requires password. do i change the prevs on /dev/ttyACM0 ? [22:00] i've been there before, mentioning things you think are relative to the job regardless of how trivial they seem. it happens. [22:00] Delahunt: which only shows that said perception is not taking into account the entire job posting [22:01] fair [22:02] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:05] if you're looking to switch from slackware (ie tired), try red star linux: http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html?fullstory [22:05] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:05] Cann0n: (i don't know anything about wvdial) : http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=WvDialFAQ#toc13 [22:06] thanks. i think i just need ho give my user premission to use the device [22:06] i can't remember how to do that... it's been years [22:08] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:10] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:10] i guess i'll make a dialup group, add me and the device as well as /etc/ppp, should solve it [22:10] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:17] i0n99 (~chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [22:18] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:18] kethry_ (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [22:19] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ceqpdlecbwdtxwmt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:20] MoZes_ (3355@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] pireau_ (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [22:21] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Cann0n, fix it? [22:21] mirmillo_ (2032@friedman.ivoltaire.org) joined ##slackware. [22:21] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:21] vbatts__ (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:21] MLanden: Nope [22:21] AbsTradE1ic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. [22:22] permission denied. [22:22] i'm very rusty on this issue [22:22] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Cann0n, what's the device you're using wvdial with? [22:23] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] usb modem. /dev/ttyACM0 [22:23] s/modem/dial-up modem [22:23] how do I get certificates from email servers (gmail) for use with smtp? 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[22:29] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] mirmillo (2032@friedman.ivoltaire.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 277 seconds [22:29] Cann0n, backtracking through the older docs... http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/usb/acm.txt see if anything on this doc might help [22:29] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:31] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got lost in the net-split. [22:31] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) got lost in the net-split. [22:31] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:32] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:32] MLanden: i can't find it. [22:32] how do i symlink ttyACM0 to modem? [22:32] where would that script be? udev? [22:33] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-dusibdaswpzedbxb) joined ##slackware. [22:34] ok, could i put a symlink command to a device in my rc.local even though the device wont be there every time? [22:34] is that a safe bet? [22:35] it won't hurt anything except for programs searching for that link when it is broken. [22:36] Cann0n: check /etc/udev/rules.d/ [22:36] thanks [22:38] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [22:39] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.59.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:43] slackie chan? [22:43] whoa now. don't get crazy [22:44] lol [22:45] oh yes! [22:47] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:47] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [22:47] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:48] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.54.179) joined ##slackware. [22:49] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [22:50] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:51] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [22:51] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:52] anybody seen a good sci-fi flick lately? [22:52] i saw race to witch mountan [22:52] with dwayne the rock johson [22:53] you mean the oscar caliber actor? [22:53] yup [22:53] antler: moon. [22:53] ananke: about the clones, yeah? [22:53] yeah, it was pretty good [22:54] the cube is a oldie but goodie [22:54] another one would be district 9 [22:54] district 9 was pretty intense [22:54] yeah, and the cube is out on blue ray now [22:54] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:55] hahah the (older) cube was good also. the wife hated it :P [22:55] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:56] last i saw was time traveller's wife, i think. eh so so [22:56] antler: if you want something for the wife, 'alice' is an option. it's a two part miniseries from scifi. by the same director who did tinman [22:57] my ssd is pissing me off [22:57] you sure you don't mean STD? [22:57] lmao [22:58] ananke: that looks intersting [22:58] here goes slackware for the first time i hope this brings me much joy and pleasure [22:59] it should [22:59] antler: tinman was good too [22:59] merlin was a miniseries [22:59] it was pretty bad [23:00] i0n99: and? [23:01] [DS] (~dharmit@112.110.205.199) joined ##slackware. [23:01] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:01] sam neill from jurassic park was merlin? [23:01] im not sure what im suppose to say. [23:02] saying that some random miniseries was bad, is a bit pointless. format is not an issue [23:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:03] yea it sure was... i'll limit my talking to more constructive topics [23:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:04] <[DS]> Hello, I am absolutely new to Slackware. I just installed Slackware 13 on my laptop. I use Fedora 12 for daily use. In the installation, I skipped LILO as I wanted to use Fedora boot loader. What shall I add to the grub.conf file of Fedora so that I can boot Slackware? [23:05] [DS]: slackware's kernel & initrd. you should find them in slackware's /boot dir [23:05] no initrd yet [23:06] <[DS]> ananke - Ok. [23:06] and first hit on google - http://www.ozzu.com/unix-linux-forum/how-add-slackware-fedora-grub-conf-t81999.html [23:06] "I'm feeling lucky" [23:06] <[DS]> i0n99-THanks. I am checking that out. [23:07] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [23:07] hm neither blockbuster nor rogers has tinman or alice :( [23:08] for delivery or online viewing? [23:08] i0n99: i was going to pick either or both up. [23:09] have you seen donnie darko? [23:09] I bet they have that [23:09] yeah, i saw that [23:10] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:10] Have you seen Code 46? [23:11] its a sci-fi love story type.. pretty intense [23:11] i0n99: lol [23:11] Moon like ananke suggested [23:11] "pretty intense" for both district 9 and "a sci-fi love story type" :P [23:11] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:12] lookup the trailer on youtube =) [23:13] hiptobecubic (john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left ##slackware ("For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint."). [23:13] [DS] (~dharmit@112.110.205.199) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:13] i just looked on imdb. i quite like tim robbins... mainly from jacob's ladder and shawshank redemption. [23:13] Mipsalawishus (~Mipsalalw@74.194.248.135) joined ##slackware. [23:13] your dna code determines everything you can do, where you go, who you can sleep with [23:14] hmm... sounds like it's got a splash of gattaca in it [23:15] can't say I've seen that [23:15] not that I can remember anyway [23:15] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:16] oh wow it does seem very similar [23:16] anyone have trouble with slackbuild gnome? [23:16] i0n99: well rogers has code 46. probably gonna pick that up :) [23:17] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:17] if you hate it, I didn't suggest it =) [23:17] i0n99: yeah, gattaca's pretty good. or i thought it was anyway... everyone has his own likes :) [23:18] yeah :) [23:18] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Asked my wife about it, she said it was pretty good.. she said "Ethan hawke is hot" [23:18] so I am guessing that means it is a good film, [23:19] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Client Quit [23:20] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:20] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [23:20] heh [23:21] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Client Quit [23:21] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [23:23] ahou (user-32061@p5799EBC7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] i got slackware-current installed in my sempron that its using a 14'' 640x480 max res, during the boot it shows ok but after it changes the resolution and i can't understand the text. lilo is configured as 640x480. 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[23:36] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] ## [23:37] ozkoe [23:38] ozkoe_ (~ozkoe@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:38] ... [23:38] hi HoldMyPocket [23:38] This stinks of trollage already [23:38] HoldMyPocket [23:38] trololol? [23:38] i have a question for you [23:38] what [23:39] ozkoe (~ozkoe@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:39] ok.. [23:39] why did slackware settle for packagemanagers and shit? [23:40] ? [23:40] slackware used to be the leetest distro out there now its like windows 2000 without the problems =( [23:40] just ban them both. it's only going to end poorly. [23:40] Package manager? [23:40] i don't know [23:40] Is this new in -current? [23:40] i dont know [23:40] i havent used slackware since 4.0 [23:40] AFAIK, it's still pkgtools. [23:40] obvious troll is being obvious [23:40] yeah [23:40] hey i started with slack 4.0 [23:40] but HoldMyPocket said it has a package manager thats pretty lame, it reminds of me of the same redhat 6.1 came out after 5.2 [23:41] Action: Motoko-chan started in 8.x territory. [23:41] heh [23:41] ozkoe_, it's just plain pkgtools like it's had for some time. [23:41] redhat 6.1 = Hyandai, Redhat 5.2, Hummer [23:41] the only thing i've ever seen is pkgtools [23:41] It's a simple wrapper for tar. [23:41] oh [23:41] before ozkoe even typed a single word, I saw this coming. I can see the future too. [23:41] so theres no package manager? [23:42] There is. Kinda... [23:42] antiwire, you saw what coming? [23:42] unless slackpkg counts [23:42] FFS. [23:42] you saw ASCII coming? [23:42] Slackware has a package manager. [23:42] but thats really just updates as far as i know [23:42] the reason why i loved slackware the most just left the scene [23:42] slackpkg is just a wrapper for pkgtools that does fancy internets stuff. [23:42] A package manager managers packages. We've had that forever. [23:43] what would slackbuilds be considered [23:43] just install scripts right [23:43] slackware is what it is. the leetness, and then the downfall with the package manager is just in your head [23:43] i'd say that's the closest thing to like apt-get etc [23:43] slackware's package manager is nowhere near as good as red star linux's [23:43] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [23:43] Slackware's package manager does not manage dependencies. A toaster does not churn butter. [23:43] i used to enjoy spending more time compiling libraries than i spent $INSERT_FILTHY_BEHAVIOR_HERE [23:43] rworkman, my toaster does [23:43] lol,mancha [23:43] You can still compile libraries if you want. [23:44] i know but befopre you HAD to [23:44] it was kinda fun [23:44] My cellphone can also play videos. [23:44] I should have put money down on this guy. [23:44] http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html?fullstory [23:44] ozkoe_: the point is: if you're going to discuss a term, then be sure everyone agrees on the term's definition. [23:44] im not trying to argue though [23:44] ozkoe_, why not run LFS? [23:44] because i like to watch porno on my cheap graphics card. [23:44] Action: Motoko-chan just made an RPM spec from scratch. Evil pita. [23:45] Everyone, Don't forget that HoldMyPocket is somehow involved in this troll attempt too. [23:45] i think you can reasonably say that "management" includes dealing with database population as well as dependency tracking [23:45] when the +b's start flying, remember HoldMyPocket [23:45] Kilroy (Kilroy@2002:8036:bd92:a:c0fe:8125:b54d:9c22) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ozkoe_, if you are busy compiling libraries, then you won't have time to watch cheap porno. [23:45] rworkman, what term did we not both agree on the definition? [23:45] HoldMyPocket is/was somewhat regular here, hence my wait on deciding whether this was trollage :) [23:45] and btw i came in here asking questions. [23:45] just because slackware's doesn't doesn't by some magical formula define management to be limited to installing and removing [23:45] HoldMyPocket was the catalyst [23:45] mancha, it depends on how much you define "management" [23:46] ozkoe_: "package manager" [23:46] Motoko-chan, mplayer w/ ASCII output plugin alt+2 [23:46] ozkoe_, -vo caca [23:46] oh, whats your definition of a package manager? [23:46] motoko, yes, that is a good point. and it seems all but one distrib define it differently :) [23:46] ozkoe_: to put your mind at ease, Slackware's package manager hasn't changed [1] [23:46] hasnt changed from what? [23:46] [1] except it supports xz/lzma compression now [23:46] anywho, enough of this, i'm going back to customizing my red star linux :P! [23:46] ozkoe_: from your beloved memories [23:46] package manager = helps track files in a package [23:47] Anything beyond that is a package manager ++ [23:47] im not arguing because i havent installed slackware since 4.0, so theres nothing to argue abvout, i just heard slackware comes with a package manager, so i came in here asking about it [23:47] mancha, isn't that NK's distro? [23:47] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:47] ozkoe_: Slackware as always [1] come with a package manager. [23:47] ozkoe_, the "package maanger" Slackware comes with helps track files in tar files. [23:47] i dont remember slackware ever having a package manager though. [23:48] Motoko, definition change as people become more accustomed to effort-saving systems. it sued to be that a coffe machine was a manual grinder that you then percolated in a filter of sorts after roasting the beans over logs in your cave [23:48] ozkoe_: see? This is why I mentioned definitions. [23:48] ozkoe_, do you remember installpkg/removepkg/upgradepkg ? [23:48] now most people assume a coffe maker is an automatic contraption that beeps when ready and keeps your pot warm to boot [23:48] mancha, this is why I drink tea. [23:48] a package manager is a software that manages different packages. [23:48] Loose leaf. [23:48] installpkg doesnt do that [23:48] installpkg is basically an organized batch script [23:49] manages in what way? [23:49] in a computer way [23:49] ozkoe_: pkgtool, and the scripts that come with it (installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg), is most definitely a "package manager" [23:50] Nick change: antiwire -> BanCannon [23:50] pew pew [23:50] Kilroy (Kilroy@2002:8036:bd92:a:c0fe:8125:b54d:9c22) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:50] There are multiple packages and it can work with them. [23:50] Slackware has a tool suite to create, install, remove, and/or upgrade packages. That is *CLEARLY* a package manager. [23:50] tea is good. a nice cup of darjeeling [23:50] mancha, indeed. [23:50] I've been drinking gunpowder lately. [23:50] what the hell is darjeeling [23:50] Don't light your farts. [23:50] im l;ooking up pkgtool right now but each time i click on a link via google, it doesnt mention anything about it being a package manager [23:51] but i want my tea brewer to track dependencies [23:51] closest match is a package tool [23:51] Kilroy (Kilroy@dyn-128-54-186-138.ucsd.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Yes, package tool is definitely close match. [23:51] yeah [23:51] a tool vs a manager [23:51] heh [23:51] *whoosh* [23:51] a scredriver vs your old boss [23:51] ozkoe_, what are you using now [23:51] same thing, right? [23:51] Action: MLanden lights a cig for Motoko-chan...**BANG**...never seen someone shoot their mouth like that,,:P [23:52] jeev, i dont use one OS anymore [23:52] ozkoe_, http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/a/pkgtools/slack-desc [23:52] Here's the deal: you're not going to get a more definitive answer than you've already gotten, even if you don't realize that. [23:52] arewe doing the "my package tool is bigger" routine? [23:52] sounds like a problem [23:52] gets boring sticking to one os [23:52] my package manager can beat up your package manager [23:52] i dont use package managers [23:52] ozkoe_, so if you get bored with women, you'll move on to men ? [23:52] no [23:52] MLanden, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_tea [23:52] not if, when [23:52] ill just get another woman [23:52] but that was funny though [23:52] high 5 [23:52] hey speaking of dependency tracking, what happened to the ##slackware logs? [23:52] no high 5's in here [23:53] GOP told us if we high 5, we're losing to terrorism [23:53] HoldMyPocket (~charleskh@user-0c9h891.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:53] Motoko-chan: sorry 'bout that bad pun..couldn't help...good blend? [23:54] It's not too bad [23:54] I usually order from Adagio. [23:54] speaking of Adagio, /me listens to Yanni - Adagio [23:54] Kilroy (Kilroy@dyn-128-54-186-138.ucsd.edu) left irc: Client Quit [23:55] pft... yanni [23:55] pff, yanni > enya (your favorite) [23:55] gee, I wonder why the regular left their friend in here alone... [23:56] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [23:56] hi [23:56] MPlayer git-00323c0-4.4.1 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team [23:56] yay [23:56] hey Motoko-chan, guess what [23:56] No [23:57] k [23:57] I don't guess. [23:57] You like sniffing dog asses? [23:57] no [23:57] actually [23:57] Oh, licking? [23:57] .MSI is a package manager for windows [23:57] you just taught me that [23:57] rworkman: Cats. :) [23:57] XGizzmo: hehehe [23:57] thanks rworkman =) [23:57] .msi is a package format. [23:58] MSI is a broken attempt at a package manager [23:58] XGizzmo: do I have a Facebook stalker? ;-) [23:58] no, its a file extension [23:58] haha [23:58] Microsoft Windows Installer is a package manager [23:58] because it installs files. [23:58] If you want to get technical about it, .msi is a packaging format that is handled by Windows Installer service... [23:58] awesome. [23:58] oh what? you can't hang? that's ok [23:59] BanCannon, but if its not a package manager, then was is installpkg [23:59] what is "its" [23:59] was = what [23:59] windows installer [23:59] ozkoe_: You can't win this with respect to Slackware, because there's an automatic appeal to authority built into this game. [23:59] Guest70463 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-24-129.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:59] rworkman, are you serious? [23:59] Yes. [23:59] Nick change: BanCannon -> antiwire [23:59] your trying to win an argument about if installpkg is a package manager? [23:59] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/ [23:59] rworkman, you're killing the fun. [23:59] I win. [00:00] --- Wed Mar 10 2010