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[00:27] I am having fun with my packet tracer .. :-) [00:29] I dont have money to buy a cisco router yet [00:34] I fixed it, yey! [00:38] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.201.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:38] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.201.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:38] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] cool I am compiling a kernel hopefully the 5th time is the charm [00:39] lol. [00:39] What are you changing? [00:40] I am going learning to compile so mostly I am removing unnecessary things and going from 2.6.27 - 2.6.28 [00:41] I am doing it on a slow box too so it is taking forever [00:41] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [00:41] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Any of you guys used Terratec's Aureon 5.1 sound card? [00:45] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] adrenaline: use your existing config for the kernel [00:46] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:46] makes things a lot easier [00:46] :P [00:46] Shrp_, I did still broke [00:47] well the last time I am starting completely over this time [00:48] i think its a lot harder to compile from scratch [00:48] you know one thing that helped me the first time through was doing it in VirtualBox [00:49] I have an old machine that I can break [00:50] I am going to learn how to compile kernels on it then I am going to install minix on it and learn about the OS [00:50] m0_ (n=m0@124-170-111-7.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:50] did you get the book accompanying minix? [00:50] m0_ (n=m0@124-170-111-7.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [00:50] ImmutableDark (n=m0@124-170-111-7.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:50] ya [00:51] cool [00:51] Operating Systems Design and Implementation [00:51] yep [00:51] I am almost through the first chapter [00:51] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-fd8efd3de3f3838b) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] I also just bought the KR C book and an embedded linux primer [00:52] so [00:52] Action: adrenaline is busy [00:52] heh i got the KR C book lying around somewhere too [00:53] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] OH SHIT!\15" [00:54] nice [00:54] Hey this is scrolling in my compile does this mean I am screwed already [00:54] http://pastebin.com/m60946656 [00:55] no [00:55] ok good [00:55] I don't like errors [00:55] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] they are only warnings [00:55] not errors [00:55] :P [00:55] sweet [00:56] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-433a93d372d9c9fd) joined ##slackware. [00:56] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Action: adrenaline wonders if jafnhar is going to log out and log on all night long [00:59] heheh. woops. completely didnt even occur to me that other people might notice that. [01:00] OS upgrades? [01:01] I am rather astute when I am waiting for my computer to compile [01:01] otherwise totally oblivious [01:01] not even that respectible, sadly. trying to figure out how the window crap in bitchx works with regards to my startup script. [01:01] consensus: works pretty stupidly. [01:04] 1 [01:08] someone have ever run GNS3 on Linux ? [01:10] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:10] /quit [01:10] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [01:10] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [01:10] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [01:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] gns? [01:18] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] yes ... [01:19] http://www.gns3.net/ [01:19] that looks probably like the thing that I was looking for.. [01:19] it is a free software which simulates CISCO routers [01:19] sweet [01:20] and use real IOS [01:20] in fact I used to run this program in windows .. [01:20] but never used in linux [01:20] I need something for creating a virtual network interface where I can setup a IP masquerade [01:21] it is a nice program to practice routing, switiching ... [01:21] and create topologies [01:21] it is better than packet tracer which I am using here [01:23] we can simulate NAT ... BGP, OSPF and so on [01:27] Packet tracer doesn't use real cisco IOS as GNS3 uses ... [01:28] endren (n=luke@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] god, I have to sleep, it is almost 05:00 am here in Brazil [01:32] Shrp_, It worked yaya 5 times are a charm [01:33] good job [01:33] did you compile from scratch? [01:33] No unfortunately but I did screw it up 4 times previously [01:33] its alright [01:34] congrats [01:34] I copied my old config file and deleted some stuff now I want to delete more stuff [01:34] Thanks [01:34] yeh now you can go back and take off more stuff from the kernel [01:34] Action: adrenaline wants a 10 second or less boot time [01:34] disable raid [01:34] that'll help a lot [01:34] cool anything else? [01:34] scsi? [01:35] well try to capture the kernel boot messages [01:35] I took the wireless stuff off [01:35] ok [01:35] and see what stuff is being checked/probed [01:35] and cut down on that [01:35] I would like to take all of the wireless stuff off then put a wireless card in and see if I can compile it to work later [01:35] Good advice [01:36] how do you capture kernel boot messages? is that the "dmesg"? [01:36] yeh [01:36] oh thnx. [01:36] dmesg | less [01:36] so you can scroll at your own pace [01:36] dmesg > output.txt [01:36] or that [01:36] right. ok thanks. [01:36] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "Sigh..." [01:37] n00b_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:38] XAVIER (i=48dd7097@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-daabb76a751c3341) joined ##slackware. [01:39] It seems to move faster in the new kernel although it may be just because I am excited about it [01:40] or could be both [01:40] :P [01:40] Maybe I will wait to recompile it again tomorrow [01:40] I want to play with it first and make sure everythign is still working [01:40] I have networking [01:40] and x still works [01:41] so that is good [01:43] Can anyone tell me what happens to apps in Slackware that are installed from source? Are they "registered" anywhere like packages are? How would one go about "uninstalling" one? [01:43] n00b_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:44] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-4-142.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:45] XAVIER (i=48dd7097@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-daabb76a751c3341) left irc: Client Quit [01:53] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [01:54] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.21.150) joined ##slackware. [01:56] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.41.151) joined ##slackware. [01:56] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:57] endren: you could hope that the creator of that app has a make uninstall and not they are not egistered anywhere like packages. [01:57] if upstream hasn't made a "make uninstall" target, you could be SOL. [01:58] ah I see. So if I want to remove an app installed from source then I gotta either "make uninstall" (if it exists) OR track down and remove each file by hand? [02:00] wow my new kernel rocks so much I hate that it is my dev box [02:01] lol nice. [02:01] well you could try and see if it supports a destdir, then compile it again, but instead of make install do make install DESTDIR=/tmp/pkgname .. ie follow the steps to make a package, andpray a lot. [02:02] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] Hmm so that SHOULD keep all the files in that one directory then? Interesting. Good to know that you very much BP{k} [02:03] *thank [02:03] endren: *if* upstream for that app supports destdir yes ;) [02:04] endren: read slackbuilds.org/slackiki.org on how to create packages. [02:06] Excellent! thanks for the link. That was my next question as I am having a hard time finding a relevant doc [02:09] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [02:09] I dont understand how to send email from my own domain [02:10] for example, redtricycle.is-a-geek.com [02:10] The articles I read talk of using a smart host [02:10] like google, or your isp [02:10] BP{k}: I am contemplating creating a Slack package for kguitar as I found it seems to be missing from linuxpackages.net. Would you happen to know if there is a reason why it has never been made? [02:10] All I want to do is to send mail to external email addresses [02:10] But my mail always gets returned [02:13] endren (n=luke@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [02:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [02:14] endren (n=luke@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Holy crap I just recompiled my kernel on my 2G optplex260 It is amazing. It makes me wonder what it would do on a core duo [02:15] what's your boot time down to now? [02:15] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] I didn't time it but it fires up a web page lickety split [02:15] it bounces around blazing speed [02:16] redtricycle, what are you using for a mta? [02:16] lol nice. [02:16] adrenaline: sendmail [02:16] adrenaline: ...err [02:16] adrenaline: mail. [02:16] adrenaline: so, nail? [02:16] OK you are not making a spam server are you? [02:16] lol [02:17] n00b_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [02:17] hmmm [02:17] adrenaline: no no [02:17] adrenaline: I just want to email myself updates [02:17] endren: well for one .. I would seriously give linuxpackages.net a wide berth. [02:17] Ok here is the deal Call your ISP ask them what their smtp server is [02:18] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.41.151) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] then in the .cf file put it there under smart hosts [02:18] adrenaline: ...isnt there a way to set up my own? [02:18] adrenaline: because, i already know how to use google as a smart host, for example [02:18] yes unless your isp blocks port 25 [02:18] BP{k}: a wide berth? what you mean? [02:19] If your ISP blocks 25 as mine does then you will have to use your ISP for a relay [02:19] That is actually what I do [02:20] endren: I wouldn't use any of their packages. [02:20] BP{k}: really? crap lol I thought that was THE source for Slack packages...... [02:21] redtricycle, it is actually "Smart" relay host [02:22] DSsmtp.nameofrelayserver [02:22] Should work fine for you [02:22] Can my own computer be a relay srever? [02:22] yes but not if your ISP blocks 25 [02:22] adrenaline: ah [02:22] If you have static IP's and your isp gives you everything you are golden [02:23] gives you everthing == not blocks any ports [02:23] endren: not really. You should learn how to use SlackBuild really. if you need packages, I would either try: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds or http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [02:23] so under dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider')dnl [02:23] but if you relay not responsibly you could get blacklisted and if that happens ISP shuts you down [02:23] I can put smtp.localhost right? [02:24] IF you do it in the mc file. I am stupid and edit my cf file manually [02:24] I never learned how to edit the mc file [02:24] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:24] but yes you are on the right track [02:24] Dont you have to be hardcore to edit the cf file? ^_^ [02:25] nah just stupid [02:25] I just have been doing that for so long it is the only way I know how [02:25] BP{l}: looking into the details now. About time I learn this stuff I guess. [02:25] I recommend you do it your way and gain good habits [02:26] but here is what it should look like [02:26] endren: one of the things you might want to look into is sbopkg, a front end to the SlackBuilds.org repository. [02:26] # "Smart" relay host (may be null) [02:26] DSsmtp.yourispmailhost.net [02:26] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:26] of course I changed the name [02:27] BP{k}: interesting, I will look into that as well then. Thanks for all the info. Slackware has rescued me again recently and I am thinking it is about time I contribute something useful back. [02:27] But if you send spam your ISP can blacklist you [02:27] I use it to send error messages and script emails out to my google email account [02:28] In particular it sends my ip address to my gmail account if it changes [02:29] I know I could get a ddyns account but it is more fun writing a perl script that searches my IP and compareds it and sends it to my email account [02:30] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.21.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:32] endren, don't feel bad just learn and as you get better you will help [02:32] Hang out sometime you can help now [02:32] yo, whose idea was sbopkg? [02:32] adrenaline: Thanks, I should hang around here more often actually. [02:32] Hi Cann0n [02:33] hi [02:33] I have been getting help with a kernel compile while I help others liek with sendmail questions [02:33] that is how it works [02:34] It's a good system :o) [02:34] Cann0n, didn't we get kicked out of #fluxbox for chatting once? [02:34] yeah. lol [02:35] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [02:35] lol you two go way back then [02:35] lol [02:35] stevecam (n=stevecam@unaffiliated/stevecam) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Well a few weeks anyways lol [02:35] someone told me there was pot in here...... [02:36] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:36] Not that I've seen [02:36] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] guitarman4: hey there, are you infact a guitarist? [02:38] endren - indeed i am [02:38] and yourself? [02:38] guitarman4: reason I ask is I tried to get kguitar 5.1 to compile today and could not seem to get it to work in Slackware 12.2. [02:38] guitarman4: I try to be ;o) [02:39] hahah i try as well - i'm nothing flashy, more of a singer then guitarist. ;) [02:39] by as for kguitar 5.1 - is it using qt4 toolkit? [02:39] guitarman4: interesting lol I would have almost said the exact same thing. qt4? er no I don't believe so. (will check) [02:40] endren - don't worry - i'm pulling it down now. [02:40] to see how it works for me [02:40] guitarman4: website claims KDE libs v3.x [02:41] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] sorry for delay - some reason seamonkey crashed on me... pulling down in firefox/ [02:44] http://www.deadbeatguitarist.com/DONTCOMEAROUNDHERE040612.mp3 [02:44] here's one of my tunes if u like to listen... [02:44] not finished yet , but close [02:45] guitarman4:No worries. perfect, lsitening to it now. [02:48] k, configuring... i just recently did all the crazy compiling for jack and ardour and hydrogen. .. pheuf. that was time consuming... still haven't got the realtime kernel and jack playing nice. i started that song over at my friends windows studio, i'm hoping the stuff i do at home - although won't be as high quality since i don't have the expensive equipment, at least will be decent and OGG and made on Slack. [02:50] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] guitarman4: hey nice. I just threw on Hydrogen last week and was scoping out the ardour and jack next. (Pretty decent song by the way, I'd listen to you live anytime) [02:50] stevecam, need weed? [02:50] k endren, did your compile blow out like this: http://pastebin.com/m753a05d0 [02:50] sorry rather - thats what make did for me [02:50] or are u beyond that issue [02:50] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehash" [02:51] Cann0n: thanks for saying I'm an idiot for using sbopkg. Great attitude. [02:51] Cann0n, yes, yes, OH GOD YES [02:51] guitarman4: yes I did have that issue but resolved it with a nice "autoreconf" command [02:51] guitarman4, nice tune. Do you do songfight or anything? [02:52] thx endren for the comments. - jack and ardour were a bit crazier to meet dependancy wise but if i can do it, anyone can haha [02:52] briareus, didn't say you were an idiot for using sbopkg... you need to learn to read. [02:52] that was 10 minutes ago you troll [02:52] that was the sum of your piont. [02:52] stevecam, mids? [02:52] hiptobecubic - thx, never done songfight, looking it up [02:52] I use sbopkg, you think its a bad idea, I = idiot. [02:52] that was your whole sum argument [02:53] guitarman4, i haven't done it in awhile, but it's an alright community [02:53] key word... sum... i didn't flat out call you an idiot for using software.... i caled you an idiot because you act like one... idiot. [02:53] there's always about 75% crap entries and then 25% listenable music. Some of them are really good though. [02:53] guitarman4: yes the dependancies are whack, I'm gonna try it next week though anyhow. I used to have it all running in FreeBSD, but without the ALSA it didn't perform all that well [02:53] songfight looks funny groovy [02:54] guitarman4, if you get some free time you should dig through the archives. [02:55] song i just heard on songfight was pretty great: haha : abominominous_hamn [02:55] i will, thx for the link hiptobecubic [02:55] no problem :) [02:55] my make bailed out endren [02:56] stevecam, i sale u an eDime for 10 USD [02:56] whats a mids? [02:56] did u ever pastebin your error endren? [02:56] mids = medium glade green [02:56] guitarman4: no I've never even seent hat before, how awesome though! [02:57] guitarman4: I will give it a go here just a sec [02:57] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [02:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [02:59] guitarman4: there ya go, check it out on patebin [03:00] guitarman4: it looks like poor code I think..... am I correct? doesn't look like a dependancy error to me [03:00] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] i don't see your pastebin url [03:01] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] guitarman4: http://pastebin.com/d4fe87b0e [03:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-164-206.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [03:01] k thx [03:02] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] endren - ya i'm with ya, it looks like bad code [03:02] or its not a helpful bail out mesage [03:03] have u tried compiling the previous version? [03:03] guitarman4: When I checked the offending code it it was just an exception handler so I commented it out. Then ran into further problems witha class decleration [03:03] :( [03:04] yeah I actually did end up getting 5.0 working but was thinking I should help this dude out lol. looks like less then 10 errors or so... doable [03:04] guitarman4: I tried without midi support too... but no dice. [03:05] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [03:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:08] guitarman4: I don't know, kguitar5.0 should suffice for now while I learn the app anyhow. Maybe try again next week looking into fixing the issue and learning how to submit code to them (I've never done it before and if you are up for a collaboration I'd welcome the help) [03:10] guitarman4: You use jabber by any chance? [03:11] sorry - was away for a bit trying various things and looking at the kguitar INSTALL doc [03:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] endren - i don't code but if i can help somehow i will, as for jabber, i've heard of it but never used it - looking at the site now [03:13] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] endren - i use gmail, its jabber apparantly? [03:14] google talk rather - in pidgin [03:14] same thing? [03:14] guitarman4, yess [03:14] guitarman4: oh... uh I guess it might be! [03:14] gtalk is jabber-based i believe [03:14] xmpp [03:15] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [03:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl66-80.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] guitarman4: anyhow was just gonna give you my contact incase you wanted to get in touch with me again about it. No worries, if you're not a coder. I'll show up here again then [03:16] guitarman4: thanks for the help. Think I'm off to bed. 3am here. [03:17] woo US Eastern! [03:17] lol ta ta [03:18] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [03:18] endren (n=luke@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [03:19] endren (n=luke@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:40] they have been down for 3 or more days now [03:40] not that i care but just curious [03:40] :) [03:41] yeah right you care we know it [03:41] maybe they are upgrading to slackware [03:41] maybe they run their servers on ubuntu [03:41] you wish Soul_keeper [03:41] Shrp_ and ubuntu, sitting in a tree.... [03:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] how bout a more comfortable place. [03:42] btw guys how do i disable raid checking during bootup [03:42] md: if you dont use raid something something raid=disableraidcheeck [03:42] i saw this message during bootup [03:43] where do i pass/set this value [03:44] or do i do this in the bios? [03:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:45] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:48] no one knows [03:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] is raid=disableraidcheck exactly what the notice said? [03:50] no but something along those lines [03:50] setting some value to disable raid check during boot [03:51] thats the thing i been trying to look on google [03:51] and mostly ubuntu results come up.. and their forums are down [03:51] but you don't have the exact error message? [03:51] oh its not an error [03:52] but you don't have the exact message? [03:52] lemme see if i can dig it up [03:52] it was from md: [03:53] ok got it [03:53] md: Autodetecting RAID arrays [03:53] md: If you dont use Raid, use raid=noautodetect [03:54] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:54] i just dont know where to set that [03:56] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.224.192.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:59] qneo (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn218.78-99-33.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:03] i found it [04:03] need to pass it to the kernel [04:03] in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/md.txt [04:03] yeah [04:04] your awesome :) [04:04] When md is compiled into the kernel (not as module), partitions of type 0xfd are scanned and automatically assembled into RAID arrays. This autodetection may be suppressed with the kernel parameter "raid=noautodetect". As of kernel 2.6.9, only drives with a type 0 superblock can be autodetected and run at boot time.The kernel parameter "raid=partitionable" (or "raid=part") means that all auto-detected arrays are assembled as partitionable. [04:04] schaweet [04:06] oh? raid just needs 2 identical parts? cool [04:07] they don't need to be identical [04:07] no? wow [04:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:07] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] nullboy: where do i pass this parameter to the kernel at boottime [04:07] oh type 0 is append? [04:08] *how [04:08] Shrp_: into your append= line in lilo.conf [04:08] Shrp_: when you see the lilo screen hit tab and enter the lilo kernel label and a space and then the arg [04:08] or manual it like that [04:08] i guess better if i set it in lilo.conf [04:08] just test it first [04:08] ok [04:09] lilo kernel label [04:09] would be... [04:09] the name of the kernel [04:09] the name you see listed during lilo's screen [04:10] oh ok [04:10] testing brb [04:10] Nick change: Cann0n -> ironically [04:10] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [04:13] lol i am d/ling at 580kB/s on transmission [04:13] and my conky shows 670 [04:13] ironically (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] it hasnt happened to anybody that their xterm stops responding? [04:16] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.243) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [04:16] and the process that are forked from it cant terminate normally [04:16] i think i ran into that (2.6.28) yesterday, dissociative [04:16] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] t0f: looks like Ctrl+s causes it [04:17] lol [04:17] ic thanks [04:17] now how do I get it to normal? [04:17] maybe ctrl-u [04:17] I hit Ctrl+s instead of Ctrl+d by error [04:17] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] it worked [04:18] what does uname -a show you? [04:18] what worked? [04:19] nullboy: my kernel version date/time and my cpu [04:19] lol [04:19] heh [04:19] it wasnt for me i guess [04:19] dissociative: you can turn that behavior off [04:19] Shrp_: what does this show you? sudo grep rdi /etc/inittab -n [04:19] dissociative: put this in your /etc/profile --> stty -ixon -ixoff [04:19] Ctrl+q makes it back [04:20] ahh [04:20] turns off flow control [04:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:20] and what really is the use of that? [04:20] :) [04:21] its from the days when real terminals used serial connections [04:21] I see [04:21] basically the client would send the server 'xon' (transfer on) command to the server to have it start sending data [04:21] Shrp_: so are the ubuntu forums still down? [04:21] when the buffer on the client was almost full, it would send the server a 'xoff' (transfer off) [04:22] and then data from the server would stop [04:22] probably [04:22] ah [04:22] when the buffer was near empty on the client it would send the server 'xon' again, rinse, repeat [04:23] but now that we all use virtual terminals, it basically just stops the the character buffer from printing to the terminal with ctrl+S [04:23] can be usefull if you want to pause the screen [04:24] or lock the terminal against noobs [04:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl35-47.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[05:09] hi [05:09] hello [05:10] ah good...i couldn't see anuone chatting... [05:10] :) [05:10] what is everyones fav game in linux? [05:10] i have a question about a problem on slackware [05:10] U2 (n=chatzill@static-host119-30-73-41.link.net.pk) joined ##slackware. [05:10] ca i ask? [05:10] starcraft [05:10] can [05:11] i also like torqs [05:12] valerio: nope [05:13] nice , im not big on the games but every now and then :) [05:14] i play quake 3 and openarena once in a while too [05:14] no questions then? [05:15] i google a lot and tried a lot but no results til now [05:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:17] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejp213.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:17] well, thing is.I'm asking about all games , but right now this moment want something that I can run on my 1ghz 256meg [05:17] tetris? haha [05:18] valerio (n=valerio@151.53.251.116) left irc: "Leaving" [05:18] wesnoth [05:19] hangfive (n=hangfive@ip-81-210-143-183.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] hangfive (n=hangfive@ip-81-210-143-183.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Im thinking EMU and just run some ROMS ,I'm gonna shoot for starfox.I freaking loved that shit like 10 ? yrs ago [05:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:21] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:22] ah, internet play ,this is a perk to me , i like .Thanks [05:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [05:24] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [05:26] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [05:29] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [05:30] while Im at it. Who can give a thumbs up for a particular EMU they like? [05:30] ePSXe [05:31] pSX, mmm... I remember good old days with Kgen98 and a win98 box [05:32] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:32] U2 (n=chatzill@static-host119-30-73-41.link.net.pk) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]" [05:35] nice thanks [05:36] seems pretty lightweight too,just what I need [05:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:38] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:39] shevek (n=shevek@athedsl-199327.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Nick change: shevek -> apertufever [05:44] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[06:58] guys need help on installing ATI Radeon driver on my laptop "slackware"... I've read the installation instructions but cant understand it my laptop with slack is not connected to the internet so I planned to install it manualy. Here's the site.. http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html from here I don't where to go now [06:58] http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html [06:58] why such an old version VijayG ? [06:58] hope you could help me guys thanks [06:58] I'm using slackware 12.2 [06:58] VijayG: any particular reason you're using 4.0.27? [06:59] all other drivers works fine... but I'm not sure how to install the video card driver... [06:59] thanks [06:59] slack should have mysql packages [06:59] ?? [06:59] atom_fox: it should just be to execute the installer file [07:00] it's a .run file, yes_ [07:00] ? [07:00] yup [07:00] how do I run it? [07:00] sorry I really don't know [07:00] chmod +x the file and then execute it [07:01] ok I'll try on that right now and inform you what happends next [07:01] chmod +x ati-driver.run [07:01] ./ati-driver.run [07:01] just put the correct filename there [07:01] should be it [07:01] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:01] probably you want to install it as root user [07:02] ok thanks [07:02] VijayG (n=vijay@202.40.178.66) got netsplit. [07:02] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got netsplit. [07:02] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) got netsplit. [07:02] doki_pen (n=doki_pen@doki-pen.org) got netsplit. [07:02] lokedk (i=loke@5634dd5f.rev.stofanet.dk) got netsplit. [07:02] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [07:02] rob0 (n=rob0@cardinal.lizella.net) got netsplit. [07:02] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. 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[07:20] josemanuel (n=josemanu@44.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:21] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:23] hello tewmten [07:23] hey dtanner [07:23] Action: dtanner sips coffee [07:23] hows it going man? [07:24] i have not been on irc, or computers for almost a year [07:24] hey guys i've succesfully installed the ati driver [07:24] as you might have noticed [07:24] thanks man [07:24] tewmten: it is going good , and you ? [07:24] is compiz already installed in slackware 12.2? and I'm really not sure how to use it... [07:24] how do I use compiz? [07:25] man compiz [07:25] dtanner: good, but hungover [07:25] tewmten: hehe , beer or hard liquor ? [07:25] dtanner: yea i noticed, long time no irc =) [07:25] it says no such file [07:25] both [07:25] but i think it's already installed... [07:25] ah both ... then boom the next morning [07:26] atom_fox: locate compiz [07:26] 'which compiz' is sufficient ;) [07:26] of course [07:27] well maybe =) if it is in an appropriate path then "which file" is sufficient [07:27] yeah it was a long time ago since i was that drunk as yesterday [07:27] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't use locate, he doesn't like to index the files on his disks [07:27] it says can't find directory so I think I need to install it then [07:28] thanks anyway [07:28] hey [07:28] i wish to install lilo into my partition [07:28] to boot machine from that partition [07:28] but this hard drive is connected to my main system now [07:28] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.77) joined ##slackware. [07:29] how can I install properly lilo onto that additionally connected hard drive to boot other machine by that hdd ? [07:29] -C parameter is to provide it`s lilo.conf file [07:29] coffee time and maybe some breakfast , good to see you again tewmten. [07:30] but how can i provide information about device and boot ? [07:30] you too! [07:30] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [07:30] mac-: in lilo.conf then run lilo [07:30] later taterz [07:32] kama (n=kama@host85-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:32] how do I run autogen.sh? [07:32] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.47.201) joined ##slackware. [07:32] it says I need it before make... INSTALL for compiz [07:33] ./autogen.sh ? [07:33] dtanner: yeah [07:33] or just use the package on slackware [07:33] but it will change my main system lilo cboot configuration [07:34] when i wish to touch this additionally connected hard drive [07:36] it says "compiz uses automake, in order to generate the Makefiles use: $ autogen.sh" [07:37] the I use ./autogen.sh [07:37] No such file or directory [07:37] is it executable? [07:38] there is no autogen.sh on the compiz dir [07:38] clear [07:38] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:39] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [07:39] silly question: you're using 12.2, right? because i use it, too, and i already have compiz [07:42] duryodhan (i=7aa7d8b3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcd34bf1ab629957) joined ##slackware. [07:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.13.205) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.185) joined ##slackware. [07:43] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:46] duryodhan (i=7aa7d8b3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bcd34bf1ab629957) left ##slackware. [07:48] smeding_ (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:48] smeding_ (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:49] lol [07:49] anyone here know how to use compiz? [07:49] really need help lease [07:49] please [07:49] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] use it to do...what [07:52] josemanuel (n=josemanu@44.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:53] josemanuel (n=josemanu@44.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:55] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.118.219) left irc: "Leaving" [08:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. 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[08:46] actually you only need a \n (which is actually a newline but not in the common conception) [08:46] vim automatically adds a \n at the end of your file if there's not already one [08:47] Camarade_Tux: bah, everyone builds everything with -Wall -Werror, right? :p [08:48] josemanuel_ (n=josemanu@98.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:48] josemanuel (n=josemanu@44.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:50] fred, you'd be surprised. [08:50] Action: fred does at work, and on all his personal projects :p [08:51] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.174.104) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:51] does v [08:51] vim have those colour lines ? lol [08:51] so it makes the code easier to read [08:52] yes lol [08:52] muxer_, yeah, sure [08:53] but you'll need to actually _learn_ vim [08:54] :| wont vim --help ? [08:54] be enough [08:54] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) left irc: "Leaving" [09:00] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.178.179) joined ##slackware. [09:00] muxer_, try vimtutor [09:00] (it's actually a command) [09:00] muxer_: ":syntax enable" [09:00] ricardo (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:01] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.178.179) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:01] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.244) joined ##slackware. [09:02] chrisjomarmayor (i=0@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-4-142.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-4-142.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:03] is it possible to include in lilo a usb drive with BT3 live? [09:03] Nick change: ricardo -> n00b_br [09:03] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] clear [09:05] ls [09:05] No. [09:05] chrisjomarmayor (i=0@122.55.125.97) left irc: Client Quit [09:06] chrisjomarmayor: that's a question for #remote-exploit, NOT ##slackware. [09:07] timing fail [09:09] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [09:10] lol [09:11] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:12] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] how does one disable autoindent in vim [09:14] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@151.82.36.144) left irc: "Leaving" [09:15] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@151.82.36.144) joined ##slackware. [09:15] pi31415, rm `which vim`; joe [09:15] pi31415, rm `which vim` && joe [09:15] dios_mio: i should kill you where you stand [09:15] lol [09:16] Use a real editor - emacs. [09:16] or joe [09:17] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:17] vim rul3z [09:17] s/rul3z/rulz -_- [09:17] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:18] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2009/01/08/hp-introduces-command-line-free-linux-netbook [09:18] the future of linux [09:19] usr_local (n=usr_loca@208.43.217.3-static.reverse.softlayer.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] usr_local (n=usr_loca@208.43.217.3-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:19] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.244) left irc: "0x0" [09:19] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [09:20] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [09:20] I am surprised that this question is difficult to answer, maybe I SHOULD switch away from vim [09:21] this isnt #vim [09:21] the #vim folks haven't helped much either [09:22] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:22] people are sleeping [09:23] sahko, thats scary [09:25] http://peox.net/articles/vimconfig.html [09:27] jean-1uc: even more hearing it from an HP employee. a company which is supposed to be "linux friendly" [09:27] dive^_ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:27] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:30] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [09:30] sowe (n=sowe@88.247.223.8) joined ##slackware. [09:30] sahko, damn [09:30] guys [09:30] thank BOB theres slackware [09:30] amen [09:31] amen indeed [09:31] sowe (n=sowe@88.247.223.8) left irc: [09:32] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks it's great, it annoys me and I won't buy it but it's great [09:32] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] (well, that shouldn't prevent them from having a term actually) [09:32] Reaver_12 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:32] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:33] chrisjomarmayor (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:34] I know this is a bit out of place.. but is it possible to install slackware packages on BT3.. knowing that it is based on slackware. Hope somebody here could answer me. Thanks... [09:35] it might work [09:35] or not [09:35] chrisjomarmayor: Only one way to find out. [09:35] nessundorma (n=mike@host27-57-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:36] chrisjomarmayor, no. [09:36] No point anyway. If you want an expandable Slackware-based live environment, use SLAX. [09:38] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] Action: Camarade_Tux 's livecd will be better :d [09:43] I'm using the live cd, it boot succesfuly... but the problem is it could not detect my lan card [09:43] ifconfig -a [09:43] and nothing but lo only [09:43] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] chrisjomarmayor (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-195462.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:46] which card ? [09:47] I mean which model ? [09:49] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Reaver_12 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:50] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.23.130.122) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] hello all [09:51] Action: Camarade_Tux waves :) [09:52] dive^_ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:52] Hi [09:53] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:53] :) [09:53] So uh [09:53] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:53] When's Slack 13 likely to come out? [09:53] "when it's ready" [09:53] Yeah [09:53] So I gathered [09:53] yesterday -_- [09:54] Action: Camarade_Tux leaves to buy some new ski-wear ^^ [09:54] You know what's interesting, I see many complaints against ath5k driver and it's working great on Slack 12.2 [09:54] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.77) left irc: [09:54] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@151.82.36.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] Seems to be a lack of interest here :P [09:58] oh I'm sure many take note of that success note., ath5k has been a hair raiser. seems I have to use 2.6.28 tho for the led's https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/linux-pm/2008-December/019104.html [09:58] deepfriedsquirre: lack of interest? What part of "slackware-12.2" was just recently released don't you understand. [09:58] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:59] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-203884.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] Yeah, I certainly think it's a "++" that a support channel for the grand daddy of linux distro's is not flooded with requests, sounds like Mr. V doing something right, :) [10:00] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.137.77) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Old_Fogie: agreed. :) [10:02] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.23.130.122) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:03] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [10:03] _wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db42b0a.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [10:04] <_wakeup> hi slackers [10:04] <_wakeup> sup :> [10:04] hello [10:04] <_wakeup> anyone knows why bash does not source /root/.bashrc when logging in as root? [10:05] when i turn the volume up when playing mp3's it is very distorted.. but not in windows.. is that because of crappy sound drivers of linux? [10:05] <_wakeup> no [10:05] <_wakeup> I think that is because you turned up pcm? [10:05] what is pcm? [10:06] dios_mio, I ?believe? that's the equivalent to "wave" in windows [10:06] oh i see [10:06] dios_mio, it's not the master of the channel [10:06] <_wakeup> pcm should stay at db input gain 0 [10:06] xmms's volume control turns up the pcm [10:06] <_wakeup> yeah thats bad [10:06] dios_mio, make sure you dont have untoggled, mic, systhesizers, midi so that they're *on* if you dont need them. I had that happen on one box. [10:07] <_wakeup> ncmpdc does it too [10:07] <_wakeup> stupid software [10:07] dios_mio, you cold also have some effects "on" in xmms that are messing you up too [10:07] hmm [10:07] <_wakeup> when you open alsamixer in a terminal [10:07] <_wakeup> get PCM to a input gain of 0.0 [10:08] dios_mio, best thing is, try another app to play music, see if same issue is present in both. eliminate it being an xmms issue or alsa issue [10:08] <_wakeup> and leave it there [10:08] <_wakeup> for adjustment only mess with master [10:08] you mean turn pcm off totally? [10:08] <_wakeup> no [10:09] <_wakeup> when u have PCM selected, on the top left there is "item:" [10:09] oh right [10:09] found [10:09] ok [10:09] <_wakeup> Item: PCM [dB gain=0.00, 0.00] [10:09] <_wakeup> is mine [10:09] <_wakeup> my PCM is at 74 [10:09] so thats optimal [10:10] <_wakeup> depends [10:10] <_wakeup> you got to find the value where dB gain is 0 [10:11] <_wakeup> negative numbers will swallow pats of the sound and positive numbers output more than the sound has afaik [10:11] <_wakeup> thus you get the noises [10:11] do you think it would make any difference if i compiled the kernel with kernel support for my sound card? [10:11] no module? [10:11] <_wakeup> no [10:12] <_wakeup> people say that it makes no real difference [10:12] hmm ok [10:12] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [10:12] <_wakeup> if you would need sound for booting it would make sense [10:13] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] I see [10:15] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-164-206.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] josemanuel_ (n=josemanu@98.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [10:17] bimzie (n=root@119.153.23.186) joined ##slackware. [10:18] hi all [10:18] guys i'm having problem with bluetooth on slackware 12.2 [10:19] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.17.132.63) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Hi [10:20] it works with hcitool.... like it scan the devices but kdebluetooth can't see anybluetooth device connected [10:20] anyone having any idea wots wrong wid it... [10:21] hi deepfriedsquirre [10:21] Will kde4 be horribly incompatible with the rest of the system [10:22] And yeah, hello :) [10:22] I've just got back into these nice and geeky OS's [10:22] kde4 works very well here :) a little buggy, but pretty solid [10:22] Ubuntu seems just too bloated... there's nothing wrong with Debian or Slack. [10:22] YEah [10:22] Good good, it's just how it's in 'testing' et al [10:23] it's mainly in testing, so that there could be one more release with 3.5 in it [10:23] Though the fact that 'we' (I assume that means Mister Volkrding and his mates) are using it sounds good [10:23] Hmm [10:23] You mean that they'll be getting rid of 3.5? [10:24] seeing as how it's no longer developed, yes :) [10:24] I see [10:24] Well, I'd prefer to start getting used to KDE4 really [10:25] No point in getting used to KDE3 if it's only going to be around for a few more months [10:25] kde4 sucks man... i installed it.... and imediately get rid of it :D [10:25] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] Hmm [10:25] Well I can't see it sucking for long [10:25] 4.0 sucked [10:26] But 4.1.3 seemed alright to me [10:26] kde 4 doesn't suck [10:26] 4.0 did suck; 4.1 is very usable, and 4.2 will be probably fine for 99% of people [10:26] just isn't your taste [10:26] i like 4.1 alot [10:26] 4.1.3 is just fine [10:27] kde is too chunky for me [10:27] Well, I read something very nice about KDE the other day [10:27] It was, admittedly, on dot.kde.org [10:28] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.82.38.125) joined ##slackware. [10:28] hmm yeah i tried 4.0 [10:28] But it was saying that though KDE may be bloated at startup, using KDE and KDE apps is overall less bloated than using GNOME with GNOME apps or even XFCE with XFCE apps [10:28] I mean 3rd party apps [10:28] i'll try 4.1 and 4.2 [10:28] In 4.0, I couldn't even customise the panel >< [10:29] right [10:29] 4.0 was buggie [10:29] my lsusb and hcitool scan output is here.... http://pastebin.com/m601b062c .. if anyone was following my problem with bluetooth :D [10:29] Is XFCE really lighter than KDE when you've got a load of apps running on it these days? [10:29] Only WM/DE anyonereally needs is screen + emacs. ;) [10:30] YacK (n=root@unaffiliated/yack) joined ##slackware. [10:30] suv (i=suv@116.193.130.209) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Hahaha [10:30] No thanks friedbob [10:30] atom_fox (i=0@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [10:30] I like GUI's [10:30] use windows then! [10:30] j/k [10:30] how do I active or enable a pci device? [10:30] i like fluxbox type of gui [10:30] supergear: No, if you want a GUI that *works* buy a Mac [10:31] lol [10:31] windows is good too [10:31] windows :S [10:31] "deepfriedsquirre, is XFCE really lighter than KDE when you've got a load of apps running on it these days?" not the way I "feel" it, or the way the tests show due to gtkperf regressions in X (reference: phoronix) [10:31] I'm booting on a flashdisk but booting from there could not detect the lan card anyone please? [10:31] The only things that Macs and Windows are good at, as far as I am aware, are killer apps and, in the case of Windows, games [10:31] please [10:31] suv: PCLINUXOS Gui is better than windows... [10:31] how about driver support? [10:31] bimzie: i'll ccheck it out [10:31] deepfriedsquirre, basically every X bump == slower gtk performance across all distros [10:32] Old_Fogie Hmm, well it's just that I'm always hearing of 'KDE Bloat' [10:32] bimzie, you mean KDE with a good looking theme? [10:32] And XFCE is said to be 'lightweight' [10:32] YacK (n=root@unaffiliated/yack) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:32] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:32] kde wih a good looking theme would be less efficient on resouces [10:32] xfce is lighter than say KDE and Gnome [10:32] Even with loads of apps running? [10:32] Sure [10:32] deepfriedsquirre, qt4 is is much faster than gtk is at the present..the "bloat" comment is outdated...kde is hard drive bloated..but not perf bloated in kde 3 or 4 really when comparing to gtk at given X levels [10:33] I like it that eats more than 300 RAM usually though [10:33] Old_Fogie: isn't kde4 smaller than gnome these days ? [10:33] deepfriedsquirre, with the same amount of apps running on gnome/kde, yup [10:33] yeah even Qt4 apps works way better than GTK apps even on windows... take smplayer for example [10:33] Yeah but I'm not talking about Gnome [10:34] thrice`, depends on how much you install in gnome, it's highly modular :) [10:34] I'm talking mainly XFCE vs KDE [10:34] As far as I'm aware, XFCE is pretty much a lightweight GNOME [10:34] sure, as is kde :> [10:34] deepfriedsquirre, so GTK vs QT ? [10:34] Nahh, I'm thinking the whole thing not just the toolkits [10:34] m QT developer so i would say QT :D [10:35] deepfriedsquirre, I prefer gtk so I use xfce/gnome ; I do however love a lot of kde apps. But the gtk regressions are getting noticeable :( [10:35] regressions? [10:35] to me at least, and I'm using latest stable gtk (higher than in slack 12.2) [10:35] miguel [10:36] deepfriedsquirre, go to phoronix's site..they got tests for fedora, ubunut (so it should in theory be same for slack) shows gtk performance going to hell in a hand basket as we go thru the years. [10:36] Old_Fogie and his GNOME! [10:36] ubunut? [10:36] lmao [10:36] ubuttu [10:36] yes cuz they're all nutty about ubuntu [10:37] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home [10:37] ? [10:37] so it's "ubunut" not ubuntu [10:37] Old_Fogie: dat must be a typing mistake.... : ) [10:37] old_fogie: sounds like ueber nut [10:37] guys anyone using bluetooth on slackware 12.2 ? [10:37] Nick change: muxer_ -> lw0x15 [10:38] Action: supergear has no bluetooth [10:38] m having a weird problem... [10:38] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Connection timed out [10:38] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.137.77) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] tho i don't have a laptop [10:38] deepfriedsquirre, here's one of *numerous* benchmarks they have http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_bench_2008&num=9 [10:39] ubuntu is kind of heavy tho [10:39] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:39] supergear: dude but have u tried it..... [10:40] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [10:40] yes, I've tried ubuntu/kubuntu [10:41] Well the good news is, those test they ran got the attention of some of the X devs and intel devs; so I'd say it's a fair assumption that since they 'know now' something will be done. [10:41] look lemme tell u the problem m having.... it works with hcitool.. it properly scan other bluetooth devices but kdebluetooth doesn't seem to know... that i even have a bluetooth :S [10:41] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [10:41] anyone knows wot could be the problem.. ?? [10:42] it works with other apps? [10:42] Well cheers everyone [10:42] Yeah, is tyhe vast 680M of RAM that Kubuntu uses for me on startup caused by bloat or lots of caching? [10:42] hi all, i want to stop some daemons i went /etc/rc.d/rc. if i uncomment the first line and leave 'stop' will that do it? [10:43] limpio, just remove the 'execute' bits on the 'rc.whatever' and they wont run [10:43] thx [10:43] yw [10:44] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [10:45] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. 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[10:52] can anyone make it sure... this is really the problemhttp://pastebin.com/m7d666983 [10:52] Dominian: hehe, I didn't think of that. But it just gives the x-server version (1.4.2), not the X.org release number (ie 7.3.0). [10:52] ah [10:52] nordle: look at the package name in /var/log/packages/X* [10:53] ? [10:53] or run pkgtool and look at the version? [10:54] i just realised something odd. When i startup i login and run startx which takes me to kde [10:54] alisonken1home: were you asking me what the problem could be? [10:54] alisonken1home: Thanks, but i cant see how that works, as it shows the individual packages and their versions not the xorg release version. I could probably go and look at the individual components on the xorg site, then guess the release from those, but wanted to make sure. [10:54] if i type startkde i get "cannot open display" [10:55] but kde starts fine with startx [10:55] whats that about? [10:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:56] me_: that's just how it is [10:56] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [10:56] me_: startx implements some environment vars that startkde needs [10:56] is that so? [10:57] me_: startx script probably sets a load of DISPLAY=BLAH stuff or something first [10:57] plus its easier [10:57] back later [10:57] yeah [10:57] bye [10:57] i just thought it was a little curious [10:57] Dominian: Just noting MS compatibility between 2 versions of XP and vista connectivity - btw, they have XP Media Edition installed on the XP machines [10:57] and this is at a business [10:58] tba221 (n=gio@host132-104-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:58] tba221 (n=gio@host132-104-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [10:58] alisonken1home: I've seen XP Home installed on a lot of machines at my last job. It's a cost issue - those licenses cost less. [10:59] FriedBob: true - then they wonder why they have limited options and security :) [10:59] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Dominian: may be pinging you later this morning about connectivity [10:59] alisonken1home: But that is what they have the IT department for. [11:00] FriedBob: what IT department? [11:00] how do u enable a pci device which you could find after entering LSPCI please anyon [11:00] alisonken1home: Likely YOU. ;P [11:00] I'm just a weekend contractor to help them move their network from one end of the warehouse to the other :) [11:00] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.77) joined ##slackware. [11:01] and the last Windows I did was 98 [11:01] I likd 98/98se as far as windows went. [11:01] I fought long and hard before finally giving in to XP [11:02] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.82.38.125) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] now you can do it again with windows fixta [11:03] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [11:03] I went to OS/2, but the command was Windows. I was _forced_ to learn 95/98 [11:03] the first laptop I had, I upgraded from 98SE, to ME. What a joke that was. Linux came shortly there after. ;) [11:03] And here I thoguht they got rid of torture in the middle ages [11:03] Never had the "pleasure" of dealing with ME [11:04] FriedBob: lucky you. [11:06] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:06] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:07] I've used Windows ME. [11:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehash" [11:08] It really wasn't as terrible as people like to say. [11:08] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:08] ccfreak2k, lies [11:08] It wasn't any worse than Windows 98. [11:08] it was worse than 98 [11:08] tho 9x series wasn't all that great IMO [11:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [11:12] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Client Quit [11:12] hm [11:13] Old_Fogie hey you here? [11:13] anyone ran slackware on a macbook c2d 2.2Ghz (not the newest revision, but the one released before those) ? [11:13] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.250) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Action: supergear doesn't have a mac : [11:13] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.17.132.63) joined ##slackware. [11:14] So I'm hopefully about o get KDE4 but I'm told that it's good to upgtrade to -current first. Won't 12.2 be upp-to-date enough? [11:15] I don't think there is much difference in the two right now [11:15] it'll run fine on 12.2 [11:15] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.92.202.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] SI the ntoe in the READme mainly for Slackware 12.1? [11:17] b [11:17] nessundorma (n=mike@host27-57-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:18] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:19] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.17.132.63) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] Hi [11:19] Hey [11:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.66) joined ##slackware. [11:21] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.93.181) joined ##slackware. [11:21] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] tarde [11:23] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [11:23] I need to be able to view the webpages I write in Internet Explorer. I've tried using Ies4linux, with not-so-good results. any suggestions (that do not include installing windows)? [11:25] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.239) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Virtual machine. [11:25] evening people [11:25] that includes installing windows [11:26] nachox: g'evening. [11:27] atom_fox (i=0@122.55.125.97) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:27] Let's see. You want to test in Internet Explorer, and Internet Explorer in Wine doesn't work./ [11:27] The answer is obvious, at least tome. [11:27] Only real answer. [11:31] qneo (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn218.78-99-33.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [11:32] IE doesnt work in wine? really? [11:32] nachox: Not good enough for his purposes atleast. [11:33] ? [11:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: "Bye Bye" [11:34] nachox: I dunno, I just work here. [11:37] bimzie (n=root@119.153.23.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:37] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.34.45) joined ##slackware. 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So to a mind that is still the whole [11:50] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [11:52] endren (n=endren@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [11:52] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:52] Omega_Red_ (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Omega_Red_ (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] jest to tylko w jzyku angielskim kanale [11:55] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] (i hope google translate worked properly) :P [11:55] hitest_ (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] is gvim same as vim ? [11:56] no [11:56] hmm 'xhost +localhost' alone does not allow root to run gui's anymore. had to use 'xhost +local:root' [11:56] gvim is the gtk frontend to vim [11:56] hello nachox [11:56] =) [11:56] hi mesa!! [11:56] ha you remember my old nickneame [11:56] dtanner: better alternative: xauth merge ~user/.Xauthority [11:56] nickname* [11:56] fred , thanks [11:57] Action: nachox looks at fred and gets his knifes [11:58] hitest_ (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:59] Wow, HP-UX supported PAM way bak in 1996. [11:59] Action: fred dresses nachox in a leotard and straps him to a rotating wheel, and starts throwing knives [11:59] hehe [12:01] Action: dtanner buys popcorn and watches the entertainment [12:01] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [12:01] ok wine is built , where is that pokerstars.exe file =0 [12:02] fred, how the hell do you comb your hair? i've seen your photo in facebook :P [12:02] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.34.45) left irc: "Saindo" [12:03] nachox: my hair is fairly short now :) [12:04] vdv (n=vdv@pop-31-227.azeronline.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hehe, you had it quite long in that pic [12:05] hi all [12:05] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [12:08] tr4sh (n=trash@201.39.12.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] There should be a ##slackware facebook group! [12:09] lies [12:09] there is [12:09] all lies [12:09] there is ? [12:09] danny tanner? [12:10] nope not Danny [12:10] oh [12:10] seems radeonhd(version from 12.2) works for my ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 [12:10] well i'm all out of guesses [12:10] Action: FriedBob joins Slackware @ freenode [12:10] oh jsut ask [12:10] fred, btw, change that fred86 there already [12:10] Donald [12:10] no relation to danny tanner on full house? [12:10] hcx (n=hcx@Q722f.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [12:10] same person [12:11] but there's an issue: in some cases, when i shutting down X screen becomes strange [12:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:11] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [12:11] i don't wait too long and forcing turn off [12:12] nachox: what? [12:12] dtanner: export DISPLAY=:0 ; export XAUTHORITY=~Xuser/.Xauthority ; runXstuffAsRoot [12:12] i'm afraid, that the driver can harm laptop's screen. is it a known bug? [12:13] i'm trying to enable DRI, somebody knows how can i check if agpgart and chipset support modules are enabled? [12:13] fred, on FB in your slackware@freenode you still use fred86 [12:13] 86? not 87? Cool, not just out of date, a typo too :) [12:13] alisonken1home: ok [12:15] err, it's 87 :) [12:15] hi dom :) [12:16] hey nachox [12:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl22-250.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:18] nachox: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendeley/3120437968/in/set-72157611414290440/ is more my hairlength nowadays (I'm on drums) [12:18] jkwood: SYN? [12:18] I need to know only one thing fred , does the PC run Slack? :P [12:19] nick4: which PC? [12:19] fred: THE PC, duh! [12:19] better runs slamd64 [12:19] fred: less chatting; more updates! [12:20] fred this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendeley/3119610415/in/set-72157611414290440/ [12:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] Action: edman007 agrees with Dominian [12:20] again, what PC? there is no PC in that picture? [12:20] Dominian: *SLAP* [12:20] [ in bed ] [12:20] fred, maybe we should ban you from the intertubes [12:20] Dominian: You always are. [12:20] until 12.2 is out [12:20] lmao [12:20] edman007: uhm .. how would he upload 12.2 ;) [12:21] BP{k}, he uploads after its done [12:21] thus he can have intertubes when he is finished [12:21] what if he needs patches? [12:21] emacs [12:21] eh [12:21] erc! [12:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.66) left irc: "0x0" [12:24] fonts look like a pile of crap in any ap I run through wine [12:24] and i have installed fontforge, maybe i need to edit some config to use those fonts *shrug*.... reading and looking around [12:25] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [12:25] rworkman: you awake ? [12:25] theres a script called winetricks that will download and install fonts for wine [12:26] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.123.188) joined ##slackware. [12:27] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E9B1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] i have a black screen and hang when logging out from X session [12:27] http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks [12:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:28] this case is described in http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide (Hang at logout) [12:28] There is also Wine-Doors [12:28] interesing, is the solution there also true for slackware? [12:28] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.188) joined ##slackware. [12:30] vdv, what graphic card you got [12:30] ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 [12:30] and driver is radeonhd [12:31] version from 12.2 [12:31] i had the same problem with an nvidia card [12:32] and solved? [12:32] it got solved because i bought another laptop [12:32] lol [12:32] unfortunately, i can't do that [12:33] maybe upgrading the drier [12:33] driver [12:34] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left ##slackware. [12:35] i found the winetricks script , but i cna not find "wine-doors" [12:35] winetricks is a cool trick =) [12:35] s/cna/can/ [12:36] guys, do any of you use freebsd? does it suspend to ram? [12:36] dtanner: pm is fine [12:36] tribeca_ (n=naitso@host225-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.87.121) joined ##slackware. [12:38] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:39] dios2 (i=test@88.243.103.99) joined ##slackware. [12:40] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:40] gAtzBy (n=Prout@ADijon-156-1-63-111.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] gAtzBy (n=Prout@ADijon-156-1-63-111.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [12:40] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.66) joined ##slackware. [12:41] agentc0re, sorry I was afk & busy "killing the flood" [12:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:41] i loves slackware [12:41] dios2, agreed [12:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:43] All of you who are on facebook should add me as a friend. I've been on FB for years, but my wife got twice as many friends as I did within a week of her joining. :( (Only sorta kidding) [12:43] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.62.207) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [12:43] FB on FB [12:43] FriedBook [12:43] faceware [12:43] I've sent friend requests to some of you, via the Slackware @ Freenode group. [12:43] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:44] Old_Fogie: I need to kill the flood. I'm so close to finishing the fight, but keep getting washed away by the flood. :( [12:44] me_ (n=me_@78.147.7.58) left irc: "me_em" [12:44] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] halo3 is very addicting [12:44] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] josemanuel (n=josemanu@98.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:46] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.77) left irc: Connection timed out [12:49] wassup Old_Fogie [12:49] hello [12:49] St0rmMolest (n=St0rmMol@h2n2fls32o895.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] i need coffee [12:49] I got me some fresh ground here, mmmm yummy [12:50] tribeca (n=naitso@87.13.108.108) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:50] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] fresh ground !@! [12:51] Old_Fogie: But do you roast your own? [12:51] mmmmmmm [12:51] FriedBob, no actually but I've thought about it. seems like a neat project. [12:51] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:51] I make my own beef jerky tho [12:52] Old_Fogie: My wife won't let me spend the money on a roaster, but I have seen "in home" models. [12:52] Action: dtanner puffs on a cigar **88** [12:53] dtanner: What type? [12:53] Rocky Patel "The Edge" box pressed maduro [12:53] toro size [12:53] Not a big fan of box pressed, but I do like the Rocky Patel that I've had. [12:54] yes , rocky patel are my favorites [12:54] Camacho Corojo's are mine. [12:54] especially the Edge line [12:54] dtanner, oh don't go gettign me worked up now :) [12:54] dtanner, how's your back? [12:54] Also a big fan of the Te Amo cigars, from Mexico [12:54] nachox: same, i am in physical therapy and learning how to deal with it better [12:55] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E9B1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [12:55] the nerve damage will never heal , but I am working on strengthening my core to take the strain off the back muscles [12:55] Action: dtanner copies and pastes the cigars mentioned so he can try them out [12:56] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:56] josemanuel (n=josemanu@98.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:56] anyone tried ext4? [12:56] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:58] FriedBob: Old_Fogie ->. i go here all the time =) -> http://www.livecigarrollers.com/ [12:58] dtanner: The Camacho Corojo is a very strong, full flavored cigar. The tobacco is grown in some micro-climate in the Dominican or Honduras (I forget) that has temp, soil acidity etc to one of the best places in Cuba, so even though it is not Cuban seed (but it is done by a family that left Cuba) it is pretty much as lcose as you can get to a "real" Cuban cigar. (Modern Cubans, I am told, are not as good as their reputation due to many grower [12:58] *nothing* like a fresh rolled smoke [12:58] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) joined ##slackware. [12:59] FriedBob: Old_Fogie -> http://rockypatel.com/ -> products -> The Edge [12:59] what I am smoking now [12:59] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:00] oh I'm familiar with my good friend rocky :D [13:00] cool ! cigar smokers =) [13:00] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] rocky patel is VERY consistent and good smokes all around [13:00] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:01] he has a new out he made for his good friend the pipe maker Eric Nording called , The Nording. One cigar shop here in Austin finally get some ine. Very good medium bodied smoke [13:01] s/ine/in/ [13:02] I just checked my humidor, I have 1 Rocky Patel boxed pressed cigar in there right now. [13:02] edge ? [13:02] I forget exactly what it is, it came as part of a sampler. [13:02] I haven't had a pipe smoke in a while, should get me some cherry smoke soon, hmmm [13:02] maduro or natural ? [13:02] It does have "Vintage 1992" [13:02] ah great smoke [13:02] Maduro [13:02] i favor maduro over naturals [13:03] I also have a A. Fuente "Gran Reserva" in here [13:03] Old_Fogie: HAHA, kill that flood. :P So i got it fixed last night. [13:03] this one I am having now goes good with coffee ( if you are a coffee drinker that is ) [13:03] agentc0re, what was it? [13:03] I had to upgrade hal and hal-info for it to recognize my cdrom. [13:03] oh great, since when have web forums been included in google groups? [13:03] i thought you were on 12.2 ? [13:04] agentc0re, oh? this is a *bleeding edge* box ? that never had slack on it before? [13:04] so i grabbed the slackbuilds from the source and modded the scripts to work with the newer versions. [13:04] which version of hal did you upgrade to ? 12.2 includes the latest available [13:04] Old_Fogie: No, it's ran 12.0 and 12.1... maybe even 11.0 [13:04] dtanner, in my mind..almost anything goes well with a "good cup o' joe" [13:04] Old_Fogie: agreed , i LOVE having a stogie with my coffee [13:05] agentc0re, yeah I'm confused, thought you had an (a) full install and (b) new install. [13:05] And an Macanudo Portfino, as well as some asorted Ghurka, Quintera, Saint Luis Rey (box and rolled), Maria Guerrero cigars in here. [13:05] I do have a full install. [13:05] agentc0re, did the drive work with the older hals in 12/12.1? [13:05] I used to spend my evening on the front porch with my brother and brother in law, smoking a cigar and sipping on bourbon or scotch. [13:05] i upgraded to hal 0.5.12rc1 [13:06] and hal-info 20081219 [13:06] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:06] Old_Fogie: Yes, it did. But one thing has changed. Remember how i told you I convered the sata cdrom drive to ide? Maybe it's that... i dunno. [13:07] dtanner: http://www.cigar.com/cigars/viewcigar.asp?brand=231 I was wrong, it is Cuban seed afterall. [13:07] maybe something with 'libata' different in Slack 12.2 than prior editions ( I dont know just guessing really ) [13:07] FriedBob: Old_Fogie I have a Nording, a couple of Toror Mdaduro edge, a box pressed toro edge, Cusano 18 Year aged double conneticuts and a couple of kristoffs in my humidor right now [13:08] s/toror/toro/ [13:08] well i emailed Pat about it. [13:08] Action: Old_Fogie puts on the ninja pajama's and makes his way to dtanner's house [13:08] I am just glad it's working. [13:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [13:08] agentc0re, yeah I bet [13:09] your we,come here anytime Old_Fogie , we can burn a couple of stogies =). FriedBob , youare invited also. [13:09] If you guys find yourself in southwest MO, look me up [13:09] We will go to "Bobalu's" and get some fresh rolled. -> http://livecigarrollers.com . [13:09] I'm on facebook, and it has my contact info [13:10] I have never even looked at facebook , let me give that a look [13:10] dtanner, same here, or twiddle either [13:10] twiddle? I know twitter, but not twiddle. [13:10] oh that one yea [13:11] lol [13:11] I tend to prefer the antisocial social sites :) [13:11] endren (n=endren@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] lol @ antisocial social sites [13:11] We have someone at work who uses twitter as part of some research and marketing. [13:11] AbortRetryFail, :) [13:11] Old_Fogie: Google has a social networking API I'm reading up on. I'll make an anti-social one for us. [13:12] haha [13:12] Does it publish your initial "signup" info on facebook site automatically ? [13:12] hehe [13:12] dtanner: It's been so long, but I think so. You can set who can see you though, friends, friend of friends or certain networks [13:13] *puff puff* [13:14] from noaa, my weather: "....BRINGING SNOWFALL TOTALS TO 5 TO 8 INCHES BY SUNDAY MORNING" [13:14] FriedBob: Old_Fogie DO either of you smoke pipes also ? [13:14] dtanner, man I smoke darn near anythig [13:14] dtanner: Yes. [13:14] I have 5 pipes currently and 2+ pounds of different tobaccos [13:14] dtanner, I chew it, smoke it, lick, flick it,.. /me loves the tobacco :) [13:14] I have a Nording pipe , hand carved , one of a kind. I love it [13:14] Old_Fogie: hehe [13:14] hcx (n=hcx@Q722f.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:15] sola5_ (i=IceChat7@dialup-4.224.174.110.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Old_Fogie: have you tried "The Nording" cigar by rocky patel ? [13:15] But I'm convinced it won't kill me, I'm too angry at the world..and the angry one's always live forever :) [13:15] GsX1 (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:15] i smoke cigars and pipes , no cigs anymore [13:16] yea I smoke cigs, but should really cut down [13:16] that's what God made 'chew' for :) [13:16] matter of fact, cigs smell aweful to me nowadays since smoking the high quality tobaccos in cigars and pipies makes cigs smell AWEful. [13:16] dtanner, "The Nording" no I haven't [13:16] GsX1 (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:17] Old_Fogie, there's also those old ham radio folk that've been breathing in solder fumes for decades with nary an ill effect. [13:17] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Can anyone suggest a free webhost? I want to put up some pics, and some MP3s I have remixed and a few other random things. [13:17] it is a great medium bodied cigar, Nicuraguan filler is I am not mistaked. [13:17] FriedBob, Geocities. [13:17] dtanner, I prefer the medium bodies too as well. [13:18] Isn't it full of ads? [13:18] Yes. [13:18] Old_Fogie: i like medium to full force in maduro wraps. [13:18] dtanner, but I'll even smoke the usual off the shelf as well to be honest. [13:18] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] yes , me too , i look in the bargain bin often [13:18] downloading ftp://.../slackware12.2/slackware i get everything I need to update slack from 12.1 to 12.2? [13:18] I just like cigars, I like better one's but I'll have a 'cheapy' too [13:19] dtanner, Optimo Admirals are my 'off the shelf' model [13:19] I like Black & Milds now and then - pipe tobacco though [13:19] they had rocky patel Fall edition limited 2008 for 3 bucks a stick in robusto size. I could kick myself for not buying 20 or 30 of them . they sold out pronto [13:19] they were making room for the rocky patel spring line. [13:20] He comes out with those limitied editions a couple of times a year [13:20] I'll even have some White Owl cigars, from rworkman's home state of Alabamy, there good too. [13:20] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left ##slackware. [13:21] The ones I got at walgreens were not bad for an "every day" cigar, but dried out really quickly (was before I got my humidor) [13:21] Old_Fogie: at walgreens they havecigars called "Blenders Gold" in natural and maduro that are not bad at all for the price. 15 bucks for 10 sticks. [13:21] dtanner, we had a really nice cigar store here close up (recession? dunno) . Gotta find me a new supplier, heh. [13:21] FriedBob: we may be talking about the same ones there [13:21] dtanner: We are. [13:21] not bad for a cheap smoke [13:22] Esp if you can get them into a humidor for a while and let them rcover from the shelves [13:22] check out the optimo's they're pretty darn good [13:22] i have been ripped off a few times with them being dried out and staale, now i squeeze the merchandise to make sure they are at least "spongy" [13:22] FriedBob, yea I do that too [13:22] dtanner, FriedBob yeah you neve know how long they been sitting on the shelf at some places [13:23] Old_Fogie: You have Brown Derby liquor stores in your area? [13:23] FriedBob, not that I know of [13:23] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [13:23] If you do, look for the "big" one, the Brown Derby International Wine Center. They have a nice selection in a walk-in [13:24] Old_Fogie: I don't travel a lot, so I never know if a given chain is national or regional, other than the really big ones [13:24] FriedBob, I think their only regional to MO [13:25] Old_Fogie: Likely. I can't recall seeing any when I have been out, other than in MO [13:25] how do i fix these aweful fonts on anything i run with wine ? [13:25] dtanner: rm -rf wine. [13:25] +1 [13:25] I take that back. sudo rm -rf wine [13:26] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks [13:26] does a ethernet gigabit card would make sense for a pci 2.1 bus? [13:26] then use it to install cofefonts [13:26] endren (n=endren@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [13:27] Would anyone like to hear a clever song about dicks today? [13:27] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hiptobecubic: Someone wrote a song about you? [13:27] FriedBob: hehe, yeah i only run one ap with it "PokerStars.exe" =) [13:27] FriedBob, yes yes. but that's not what i'm talking about here. [13:27] http://hypem.com/track/458005/Mickey+Avalon-My+Dick [13:27] It's got some pretty good lyrics [13:28] if you stop and listen to them [13:28] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:29] pupit (n=p@93.86.2.25) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:31] larslars (n=lars@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. [13:31] pupit (n=p@93.86.2.25) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-4-142.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] Hi, I'm having some issues.. I upgraded my system with slackpkg and recompiled my kernel and built latest.. now fsck fails during boot says it can't find /dev/hda1 but when I enter single user mode /dev/hda1 is mounted on / and filesystem appears intact but there is not /dev/hda1 file [13:33] any ideas on how to solve this? [13:34] lunarvalleys (n=petrov@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-81-11.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:34] larslars, I got that problem either, quite annoying indeed, I think it a bug [13:34] pip: strange.. any clues on how to solve it? [13:35] maybe you can search on linuxquestions.org [13:36] I think I need to recreate all the device files in /dev [13:36] can't get sound work on my HP 8530 laptop [13:36] i put "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" into alsa-base [13:36] ktabic: ./winetricks.sh: line 295: cabextract: command not found <-- i need cabextract =) [13:37] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [13:37] vdv, what do you mean "work" ? as in output audio? [13:37] seems that devices in /dev exist, controls in mixer are displayed [13:37] what card is it? [13:37] don't work == no sound can be heard [13:38] vdv, lspci | grep audio [13:38] RV635 [13:38] and check if the correct driver has been loaded into kernel [13:39] RV635? That's all it says? [13:39] no [13:39] lspci | grep -i audio [13:39] that's ati radeon 3600 series device [13:39] hmm, carbextract must be one of those programs I automatically install [13:39] can't copy paste :) output is on laptop [13:39] vdv, that's not an audio device, dude. [13:40] vdv, after i installed 12.2 my sound didn't work. It was really weird. Took me forever to find out, but in alsamixer i had to unmute one of the values that didn't even correspond with the sound output. [13:40] vdv, newly installed system ? [13:41] vdv, is loaded, then try this command : $ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav [13:41] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [13:41] if works, then issue commands $sudo alsactl store [13:42] i've noticed that firefox3 in slackware doesn't render pages the same as firefox on windows and the macintosh [13:42] But before that, make sure alsamixer is installed [13:42] for example the keyboard image here is missing all the letter keys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_keyboard [13:42] seems that aplay played file normally (no errors). But i still heard no sound [13:42] package alsa-utils [13:43] vdv, then check alsamixer [13:43] what do you mean by normally ? did you hear anything ? [13:43] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl22-250.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [13:43] no, i didn't heard anything [13:43] pi31415, mine shows the letter keys fine. [13:44] the volume [13:44] strange, I'll try running firefox in a different profile [13:44] vdv, $groups, show me the result [13:44] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] nfx (n=nfx@cpe-72-229-116-212.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] ah, understood, that's because the user is not in the audio group, right? [13:45] Exactly [13:45] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] #gpasswd -a audio [13:45] should i reboot after? [13:46] even with a blank profile, firefox does not render the keyboard correctly for me [13:46] No, just relogin [13:46] this is firefox 3.0.5 in slackware 12.2 [13:46] pi31415, same here. [13:46] they keyboard shows up, but all the letter keys are missing [13:47] maybe it's a bad page [13:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] larslars (n=lars@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left ##slackware. [13:48] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] -10 C [13:51] pip: didn't help [13:51] Old_Fogie: what is the name of the cdrecord ncurses frontend you were talking about ? or was that you? [13:51] mybasburn [13:51] vdv, the correct driver is loaded right ? [13:51] slackytude: thanks [13:51] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/mybashburn/ [13:52] vdv, also check your sound equipment [13:53] what should be the correct value for LANG with utf-8, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 or LANG=en_US.utf8 ?? [13:53] hba, locale -a [13:53] interesting, with headphones i hear sound [13:53] vdv, then don't bother :D [13:53] but through speakers not [13:54] jack sensing. [13:54] Not slackware's fault then [13:54] what's the reason? [13:54] So you did hear sound and you know that it works well [13:55] I mean the computer [13:55] If so, check the earphone the power, the plug in or something [13:55] pip: yeah i know, what what should be the correct value? :P [13:56] hba, I told you to issue the command to see the standard name [13:56] /etc/profile.d/lang.sh says en_US.UTF-8 but locale -a | grep US return en_US.utf8. [13:56] let me check [13:57] Today is Setting Orange, the 10th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [13:57] hba, better identical with locale -a [13:59] lunarvalleys (n=petrov@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:01] ed (n=ed@92.9.59.136) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-26-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. 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[14:24] just read that, too [14:24] I'm certainly not going to try right now bu well, that's tempting :p [14:24] sounds good [14:24] I'll wait for benchmarks [14:24] Action: slackytude nods [14:24] I like one of the options in the kernel where it says: "Mere Mortals say no here" [14:24] heh [14:24] I hope we'll get recent xfs/jfs benchmarks too [14:25] BP{k}, you remeber which option? [14:25] BP{k}, which option ? [14:25] :d [14:25] martian67, that looks like one of those things that everyone would use but never admit to it. [14:26] violator (n=lars@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. 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[14:30] violator: is the an upgraded system? is it a full install? [14:30] the/this [14:32] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E2A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-212-53.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.134) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:38] Camarade_Tux: the rc.d/ scripts had changed and I didn't overwrite.. silly me.. this solves my problem [14:38] it was an upgrade? [14:38] yeah [14:39] I didn't want to overwrite my /etc files so I kept the old ones and rebooted.. took me a while to figure out scripts had changed.. [14:39] UPGRADE.txt step 6 [14:40] keeping .new files is bad..mmkay [14:40] this whole package stuff is new to me.. first time I've upgraded slackware with scripts [14:40] BP{k}: well if you've changed alot of stuff overwriting them is bad too [14:41] .... [14:41] The Moon is Full [14:41] ahh. [14:41] you don't overwrite them, you should diff them first and make backups of etc in the first place [14:41] thank you, nullboy. [14:41] Today is Setting Orange, the 10th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [14:41] O_o [14:41] damn [14:41] The Moon is Full [14:42] aye [14:42] slackytude: it just had to be ;) [14:42] yeah :D [14:43] nobios (n=everson@189.81.233.161) joined ##slackware. [14:43] nfx (n=nfx@cpe-72-229-116-212.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:44] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl22-250.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:44] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] violator (n=lars@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left ##slackware. [14:45] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. 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[16:21] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] hmmm, that kernel gives me scroll wheel on touchpad [16:28] and I thought that was because of the X configuration [16:28] Action: Camarade_Tux parties \o/ [16:32] have any of you put ubuntu onto a ps3? [16:32] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] WallRat007 (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:35] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.2.25) joined ##slackware. [16:36] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:37] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [16:39] but, but, why ubuntu ? ='( [16:39] how can i put slackware on it? [16:40] ps3 uses cell processors and all the debian stuff i find for ps3 is from 2007 [16:41] The Cell is closer to PPC. [16:41] slackintosh :) [16:43] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-181.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:44] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [16:46] yup, i would use Slackintosh on a PS3 [16:46] it will work? [16:46] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:46] it should [16:46] same arch [16:46] PPC [16:46] would any ppc based installs work? [16:47] google "slackintosh on PS3" [16:47] i'm getting images already [16:48] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [16:48] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [16:49] http://playslack.sourceforge.net/Install_Slackintosh_On_PS3 [16:50] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] yeah i saw that and immediately decided on on that [16:50] "raw" "hardz" [16:50] ... [16:50] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] on/no [16:52] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-97-24-139.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] nullboy: btw, pics or it never happened :) [16:53] pupit (n=p@93.86.2.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:54] lol [16:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3#Distributions [16:54] i got it figured out now [16:54] debian testing net install with a kernel on a usb stick [16:54] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) left irc: "Bye Bye" [16:56] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:57] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [16:58] so far OT but check it out http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-howto/ps3-debian-install-howto.txt [17:00] kernel with ps3 support? [17:00] nifty [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-172.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-212-53.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] -12 C [17:07] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl214-138.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-182-173.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [17:10] whoa [17:10] Action: slackytude just found a live web cam in gaza [17:11] Action: slackytude shakes head [17:13] it's all staged! [17:13] like the moon landing [17:14] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:14] slackytude, the kernel even supports the trance vibrator. [17:14] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl214-138.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [17:14] I used to spend my summer holidays in Lebanon (I'm half Lebanese), every morning windows would quake as Israeli aircrafts flew over the _whole_ country at supersonic speeds just to notice the country they were stronger -_- [17:15] ccfreak2k, thats good? [17:15] Camarade_Tux, thats bad [17:16] its kinda perverse to watch a war via webcam [17:17] I'm always disapponted by these "install linux on your xyz" guides because they always have some kind of magic disc image that does most of the work for you. 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[17:43] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:43] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:44] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl200-244.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:44] plankton (n=peretto@200-181-246-149.wln.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:48] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [17:49] Okay, so when I use pine [17:49] it uses docserver.cac.washington.edu as a relay? [17:49] doesn tit use sendmail as the MtA? [17:50] so, in my config, shouldnt localhost be the MTA? [17:51] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:53] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:17] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] Wow. You folks are talking a lot these days. :-) [18:18] Do I need to port forward port 25 if I want to use my computer as a relay? [18:20] You might depending on where you have the relay server located. (DMZ, internal network etc.) [18:20] ah, okay [18:21] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] then it looks like i'll have to wait till i go home to get this working kthen [18:21] links doesnt work too well with the router =( [18:22] It sounds like you are at an airport or starbucks. ;-) [18:24] _wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db42b0a.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [18:25] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) joined ##slackware. [18:25] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [18:26] redtricycle, if you have a consumer connection i don't even think its worth it, a) MANY MANY ISPs block it outright, some don't let you use port 25, inbound or outbound, and b) most of those dynamic IPs are on a spam blacklist and half the domains won't accept your mail even if you can connect [18:28] some will win, some will lose, some are born to sing the blues [18:28] "Quitters never win, winners never quit. But if you never win and never quit, that's just plain dumb." [18:29] i hope my 5 dollar lottery ticket wins me millions :D [18:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:29] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [18:31] i have not seen foureyes in here for a while, i hope those floods in washington state didn't wash him away [18:31] edman007: so I'm better off going through gmail smart host or something [18:32] hm. [18:32] redtricycle, yea, or a business/static IP from your ISP (you have to pay more), or relay to your own real server [18:32] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:33] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:34] so what's generally the prefered way to print in linux? I just tried cups to see if I could get a printer working, but it didn't go through, so I'm wondering if something else is preferred [18:34] raela: I use a printer. ;) [18:34] CUPS needs configuring through your web browser, http://localhost:631 [18:35] Pig_Pen: I did. I tried to print a testpage using the website and it did not print. cups did not give an error, and the job simply says stopped [18:35] I have lot of email in the maildir format. What tools are there to convert it to mbox (i.e. without having to install qmail)? [18:35] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] what brand & model number of printer? [18:35] lexmark x2690 [18:36] raela: good luck with that [18:36] Cypheerpunk (n=Linux@187.9.24.183) joined ##slackware. [18:36] the fan in my PII is slowly getting noisier and noisier [18:36] Action: fred has the name "raela" ping something in his distant memory, but he's not sure what :S [18:36] >_< [18:37] link download cedega ??? [18:37] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] nooper: buy a fan dude [18:37] nooper, run fanless. :) [18:37] Cypheerpunk: ##slackware is not a warez channel. [18:37] http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark [18:37] if you signup and pay, transgaming will email you a download link. [18:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.128.131) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X2690 [18:38] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@pool-71-110-197-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [18:38] benone (n=benone@41.223.156.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] Pig_Pen: tried to do their genetic cupsd for it [18:39] er, cups setup [18:39] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.2.25) left ##slackware. [18:40] Does Slackware 12.2 have what you need to use a bluetooth headset ? I can't get mine to work [18:40] ok [18:40] is it a brand new printer raela? [18:40] Cypheerpunk (n=Linux@187.9.24.183) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:41] Pig_Pen: I don't know when it was purchased. my mom had it still taped up in the box in the basement.. I believe she got it sometime this summer, maybe earlier [18:41] next time you buy a printer get an HP or Epson, stay away from the "all in one" printer/scanner/copy things [18:42] my HP all-in-one (pcs1410) works good [18:42] scan and print ? [18:42] psc [18:42] yes [18:42] cause it is an HP [18:42] Pig_Pen: I think she got it free with the laptop. I just want to be able to print things.. meh. I haven't had a working printer in 2 years, so she had me try that [18:42] hmm, there ya go raela, just make sure it is a model that works before you buy [18:43] before you buy any hardware you should make sure it is compatible.. [18:43] Pig_Pen: I don't want to buy one, though. I can always continue using public printers or steal my roommate's laptop to print [18:43] expecially if is says made for windows on it :D [18:43] yup, and no witch doctor's black magic can change that [18:43] again: no one purchased this printer, and I was given it for free since they did not need it at home [18:43] if I had boughten a printer, I would have checked it [18:45] i hear GodZilla radio [18:45] I didnt think it would be this hard to use a bluetooth headset in linux or windows... Maybe I need to find something different for a wireless headphone & microphone [18:45] any suggestions ? [18:46] two cans and a wire? [18:46] wireless [18:46] Old_Fogie: They have cans in your day? [18:46] two cans then :) [18:46] FriedBob, nope, only clay pots [18:46] two cans and a piece of string, (string is not wire) [18:47] Old_Fogie: Clay pots and sinew don't quite work the same [18:47] beer cans sound like a plan [18:47] ummm [18:47] Pig_Pen, how do you send the data to the computer [18:47] acidchild, yes! and we must drink them first:) [18:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] could probly get to the beer store before apache finishs compiling [18:47] yell... ...really loud [18:47] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:47] maybe I hurt the printer's feelings.. I named it lexshit [18:48] raela, hahah I know that feeling [18:48] is there a way to find out what libs are needed for a particular game other than trial and error? [18:48] i am going to mix a shotglass full of 190 proof everclear in to a glass of ice cold 7UP very soon :D [18:48] documentation and `ldd` [18:48] Pig_Pen: O.o? [18:48] :o [18:48] good stuff [18:48] i have 50% vodka [18:48] no docs [18:49] mrselfpwn, ldd the binary, or, get the source code, and read the configure fiile for what it looks for [18:49] i see [18:49] thanks bud [18:49] nooper: clean the fan [18:49] nooper: it's dusty [18:49] mrselfpwn: use xterm to start your game, usually error messages about missing libs & dependencies are shown if it does not work [18:49] Pig_Pen, isnt that trial and error [18:50] right [18:50] test34: no. [18:50] i hate fans [18:50] is the game already installed? [18:50] mrselfpwn: ldd is the best way [18:50] -ok [18:50] acidchild, what is it then [18:50] debugging. [18:50] hmmm, amarok compiled before libmtp was in 12.2...no recomp amarok worky here. [18:50] acidchild, trial and error debugging then [18:50] not at all [18:50] Pig_Pen: I much prefer vodka to everclear.. but I've only had everclear in lemonade, and it was weird. oh! well, I had everclear apple pie moonshine that was really good [18:51] nice Old_Fogie [18:51] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:51] i like everclear, it hits the spot for me [18:52] let's try to run that game to see if I'll get an error [18:52] everclear <-- for those who love a trip to the ER for ye ole stomach pumpage, heh [18:52] Action: lotec goes over to Pig_Pen's house [18:52] I am using this live cd mastering tool to create a customized cd, which takes a while to do. I only find that my programs aren't working after I do the whole process and boot in a VM, so the Trial and Error way was very time consumming. [18:52] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [18:52] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:52] anyone that is curious about everclear, NEVER drink it straight, it will seriously burn all the way down and could cause ulcers in your stomach [18:52] hi, can somebody with a us english keyboard tell where exactly (next to what) is the SysReq key at? i use a spanish kbd and can't find the equivalent [18:53] ever clear with cherry and cherry juice [18:53] it is a combination of keys limpio [18:53] It's usually the alternative key of Prnt Scrn. [18:54] the combo i'm supposed to use is Alt+SysReq+R [18:54] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:54] jkwood, thx pal [18:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request [18:55] Print Screen [18:55] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:55] test34: I use a logitech clearchat wireless headset, and it works great. [18:55] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] between backspace and scroll lock on my keyboard [18:56] "Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring" first letters are the keys that work with alt+sysreq key [18:56] Pig_Pen, thanks for the link [18:56] thanks chopp [18:58] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] mrselfpwn, thx bud [19:00] ;) [19:01] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] atomfox (i=0@122.55.113.36) joined ##slackware. [19:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-157-86.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:02] any here have knowledge using compiz? Can't get it to work, I have ATI Radeon Mobility HD3470 [19:02] anyone please? [19:03] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:04] not me [19:04] can't see the use of such thing [19:05] Nick change: danc3 -> Guest5174 [19:05] did you try #compiz-fusion atomfox? [19:06] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:06] atomfox (i=0@122.55.113.36) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:06] nobios (n=everson@189.81.233.161) joined ##slackware. [19:06] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] guess not [19:08] heh [19:08] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:09] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Ok. I'm having some issues w/ 12.2 (i just upgraded). I installed, installed drivers for my wifi card, which have worked in the past, setup my wpa_supplicant.conf file etc. etc., but when I go to connect, it takes unreasonably long before doing anything, then just says "timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response [19:11] " [19:11] this has happened on at least two different networks [19:11] and ive tested it w/ several wpa_supplicant configurations [19:11] with no luck [19:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] I just tried w/ no authentication, and it still fails, so, its definitely not an issue w/ my wpa_supplicant setup [19:11] panzer (n=panzer@h129.24.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] any help would be greatly appreciated [19:12] what type chipset is the card? [19:13] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:13] did you check ifconfig or iwconfig to see that the device is up? [19:13] yes [19:14] i even destroyed and recreated the vap, as well as restarting [19:14] neither of which helped the situatino [19:14] Guest5174 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] but the device us up? [19:15] yes [19:15] ok [19:15] i only have limited experience with wifi [19:15] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:16] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] the card is an ar5007 btw [19:17] oh [19:17] im using a madwifi-hal snapshot [19:17] you could join #madwifi [19:17] i dont think its a madwifi issue [19:17] you se [19:17] this is the 2nd 12.2 install i did [19:17] yes, though they will know more than me lol [19:17] i see [19:17] i got wireless working on that install, but had to, for reasons i wont go into, reinstall [19:18] ok [19:18] check with wpa_supplicant's website, not all wifi adapters are compatible with wpa_supplicant, mine isnt so i have to use wep & wireless-tools [19:18] i know it is. ive done it before [19:18] did you change anything in your router? [19:19] i'm guessing it does see the network at least? [19:19] no. and its not specific to this router. i had the same problem on two networks [19:19] have you tried to remove all modules from the wireless and reload then again [19:19] hing: ill try that [19:19] im guessing its an issue w/ the wireless drivers [19:20] like [19:20] not the drivers [19:20] but the installation of them [19:20] mhmm [19:20] 80 meters is a mess of noise tonite, i can only hear the stations with big amps [19:20] Nick change: hing -> higuita [19:21] would the fact that im using generic-smp need to be noted somewhere in the process of installing madwifi? [19:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.200) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-26-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:22] hmm... `wlanconfig ath0 list scan` comes up empty [19:22] there's obviously something deeply wrong with the installation of these drivers [19:23] why do you need madwifi with atheros based chipset? [19:23] what do you mean? isnt that what you're supposed to use w/ atheros? [19:24] the module is called ath_pci [19:24] i haven't looked into it for a while though my atheros card worked out of the box [19:24] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:24] i had broadcom on my laptop that needed the madwifi [19:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:25] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] wii only reason to use the madwifi is if you are going to use kismet or aircrack [19:25] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:26] erm wii=will :D [19:26] lol [19:26] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] my card isnt supported out of the box, as far as i know [19:26] and i would like full functionality, in regards to monitor mode [19:26] either way [19:26] will are u using 12.2? [19:27] new install??? [19:27] yes [19:27] brand new [19:27] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:27] hrm. iwlist scan gives me this: [19:27] ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [19:27] well then atheros is supported out of the box in the new kernel. so it should work out of the box. [19:27] yes [19:28] ralink also [19:28] try booting without the module [19:28] lotec: really? fantastic. let me try that [19:28] also [19:28] if thats the case [19:28] were i to use madwifi [19:28] id have to blacklist some stuff [19:28] correct? [19:28] yea. let me just uninstall the modude [19:28] module* [19:28] no just kill the moduel for the atheros chipset [19:29] right [19:29] i have it all built lol. uninstall and reinstallin' only take a sec. no harm in it [19:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-26-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:29] be back in a sec. rebooting [19:29] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:29] will just list the moduel to now load [19:29] all well :D [19:29] heh [19:29] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:29] hmmm, this kernel seems more stable :) [19:30] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] i was wondering why he was using madwifi [19:30] hum seams i lied to him also dont even need madwifi for kismet or aircrack [19:30] nope [19:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.74.126) joined ##slackware. [19:31] didn't think you did [19:31] this is going to be great. no more 2nd party crap to run kismet now [19:31] lol [19:31] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [19:31] he was going around his elbow to get to is @sshole [19:33] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] ok [19:33] you were right [19:33] I had the broadcom and I ended up buying an atheros based pcmcia card [19:33] now ive got wlan0 [19:33] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] kismet will work too will [19:33] will the built in drivers work w/ wpa_supplicant? [19:33] should [19:33] should just fall into place [19:34] well, i gotta edit inet1.conf [19:34] mrselfpwn; i actually bought a broadcom chipset the other day. http://www.wlanparts.com/product/AWUS036H/ALFA_NETWORK_WLAN_USB_80211g_80211b_up_to_500mW.html [19:34] I'm using Broadcom wireless right now, works fine [19:34] worked out of the box for me. [19:34] wow [19:35] they used to not [19:35] atleas my 2005 laptop didn't [19:35] ok. trying to connect [19:35] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1: wlan0 information: 'Any ESSID' [19:35] Error for wireless request "Set Nickname" (8B1C) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. [19:35] hmm [19:35] can you disable that feature? [19:36] whatever set nickname is [19:36] havent a clue [19:36] Action: will googles [19:36] I'd suggest using 'wicd' and forget about messing with rc.inet1.conf [19:36] much easier [19:37] ive never had any problems with wpa_supplicant before [19:37] I figured out how to use google as a smart host, but this means the same email address is sent for all users [19:37] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [19:37] how do I configure each user to send from a different email address? [19:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-26-138.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "dodo" [19:38] well, the script seems to continue, despite the error message. im gunna let it play out [19:39] here is my router which i have linux actually running on [19:39] http://www.fon.com/en/ [19:39] used openwrt and jasager [19:39] same error [19:39] timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response [19:39] m0nik3r5_ (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-fad7e2df9ef0bba0) joined ##slackware. [19:40] delete your old configuration file and let you wifi tool create a new one for you [19:40] wifi tool? [19:40] not running one? [19:40] ok [19:40] yeah. not using one. [19:41] use wicd.... [19:41] danc3: I'd suggest using 'wicd' and forget about messing with rc.inet1.conf [19:41] slackware have wicd now [19:41] wicd just sits ontop of wpa_supplicant, it wont solve the problem [19:42] wrong [19:42] unless it knows something i dont [19:42] it's got nothing to do with supplicant, unless you want to use WPA [19:42] danc3: im using WPA [19:42] so, it uses wpa_supplicant [19:42] to handle WPA. it has templates and shit [19:42] that's fine. wicd has nothing to do with supplicant [19:42] i help a friend set it up today [19:42] helped* [19:42] ok whatever [19:43] keep fucking around with rc.inet1.conf until you get tired of it, and then maybe you'll try it. [19:43] have fun [19:43] Ohh, so I can use gmail as a smarthost [19:43] but I can still use my own domain [19:43] to send emails? [19:43] so, I can send user1@mydomain.com [19:43] and user2@mydomain.com [19:43] danc3: the problem isn't w/ rc.inet1.conf. as ive said, this exact same config worked perfects on 12.1 [19:43] while using google as the smarthost? [19:44] there's some other issue here that im not seeing [19:44] redtricycle: nobody knows WTF you're talking about, since you just jump in the middle of another conversation with no background info [19:44] will: Elves? [19:44] lol [19:45] lotec: hopefully. at least i can just kill elves [19:45] a computer issue would be notably harder [19:45] it's an ELF [19:45] sleeping (i=516330e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8aa10ac4962c3c33) joined ##slackware. [19:46] will: elves are no joke. they come out while your asleep and steal your damn socks [19:46] and mess up your wifi drivers ;) [19:46] they hide themselves as daemons [19:46] will: u gave them your root pw? dude yoru pwnd [19:47] pwnd!!11 [19:47] iwlist scan still gives me: [19:47] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [19:47] elves with passwords behaving badly (new sitcom on NBC - watch for it) [19:47] will: so perhaps you should bring the interface up... [19:48] man iwconfig [19:48] iwconfig wifi0 up [19:48] dhcpcd [19:48] its wmaster0 [19:48] iwconfig wmaster0 up [19:48] jesus [19:48] in the terminal [19:48] 20:55 < will> iwconfig wmaster0 up [19:48] oops [19:48] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] iwconfig: unknown command "up" [19:48] hmmm [19:49] danc3: man iwconfig [19:49] Action: danc3 adds will_the_noob_who_won't_listen to his /ignore list [19:49] erm i dont think you can use iwconfig to bring up a wifi device. it is still ifconfig [19:49] There is of course a difference between ifconfig and iwconfig... [19:49] Action: alienBOB adds danc3 to his ignore list [19:50] yes, i just use ifconfig usually [19:50] alienBob: lol [19:50] try that willinator [19:50] you have to give it the router to connect to. [19:50] then dhcpcd [19:51] that would explain the scanning error [19:52] will if you are using a madwifi snapshot have you blacklisted the ath5k driver? [19:52] he took of madwifi i think [19:52] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [19:53] alienBOB: do you happen to have a rough-ish deps/ build order for kde4 ? [19:53] My wireless card will not work with the ath5k for instance, I have to keep using madwifi snapshots on slackware 12.2 [19:53] sleeping (i=516330e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8aa10ac4962c3c33) left ##slackware. [19:53] panzer (n=panzer@h129.24.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] I'm doing 4.1.96 from scratch :> [19:53] thrice`: I built kde 4.2rc1 from scratch, so yeah [19:54] That one indeed [19:54] panzer (n=panzer@h129.24.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Just used the README in Slackware's testing/kde4/packages dir [19:54] testing/packages/kde4 rather [19:54] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:54] ooh, I forgot it listed them in there. I was looking for robby's old kde4 site, which has disappeared [19:55] sorry :) [19:55] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [19:56] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] shhh, he's back [19:57] haha [19:57] That's what she said. [19:57] XD [19:57] haha [19:58] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl200-244.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [19:58] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.123.188) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [19:59] gah! id be better off w/o out of the box support haha [20:00] nobios (n=everson@189.81.233.161) left irc: "Bye bye... http://www.por.com.br" [20:02] ok. i removed WPA from my network and im trying: [20:02] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [20:02] iwconfig wlan0 essid "networkname" [20:02] dhcpcd wlan0 [20:02] Try not. Do. ~Yoda voice. [20:02] and [20:02] the same error [20:02] timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response [20:02] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] that sux [20:03] yes, it does [20:03] ...and now my router isn't responding [20:03] UUGGHH [20:03] i wish my card was never supported! [20:03] haha [20:04] Is that like wishing you were never born? [20:04] Hardware angst. I see it all the time. [20:04] will__ (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Action: will__ restarted my rotuer [20:05] router* [20:05] wow, i just set someone a static ip [20:05] and gifts of cigs and beer came! [20:05] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:05] =D [20:05] acidchild: niccee [20:05] wow [20:06] Nick change: will__ -> will [20:06] beer? [20:06] *! [20:06] <_ohm> cheap stuff or good stuff? [20:06] acidchild: I need an 802.11a router. You got the hookup? [20:06] linux? [20:06] m0nik3r5_: beer! [20:06] woo [20:06] 6 pack of carling =) [20:07] linux+beer=good [20:07] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] god damnit. i might just install freebsd and do away with this nonsense [20:07] lol [20:08] this is unacceptable [20:08] mrselfpwn: NetBSD spy.int.sevenl.net 4.0.1 NetBSD 4.0.1 (GENERIC) #0: Tue Oct 7 22:58:48 PDT 2008 builds@wb30:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-4-0-1-RELEASE/i386/200810080053Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-4-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386 [20:08] NetBSD tonight ;) [20:08] http://open1x.sourceforge.net/ anyone hear of this??? [20:08] mrselfpwn: you run NetBSD? [20:08] then fix it will [20:08] bono (i=bono@118-160-171-218.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-157-86.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:08] no will [20:08] i run Slackware lol [20:08] well [20:08] Action: lotec is currentley instaling FreeBSD in vmware [20:08] you can run more than one lol [20:08] Slackware and NetBSD <3 [20:09] acidchild: ive always wondered. why NetBSD? Why not FreeBSD or OpenBSD? [20:09] What does NetBSD offer? [20:09] nice acidchild [20:09] oh so clean :D [20:09] so so so very clean is netbsd :D [20:09] just like slackware [20:09] hmmm [20:09] maybe i try netbsd [20:09] since i hate linux right now [20:09] the netbsd install looks more logical than the mess freebsd is [20:09] OpenBSD is bad under heavy load. [20:09] FreeBSD feels too fluffy and testingish [20:10] acidchild: does x actually load when you install netbsd? [20:10] but fast :-] [20:10] lotec: i've run it once as a desktop :-) [20:10] iwconfig wlan0 essid "aroundthecorner" [20:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:10] recently running two netbsd servers [20:10] lol [20:10] sry. my mouse just tweaked [20:10] pasted [20:10] acidchild: i'd be running this on a laptop [20:10] acidchild: figured i would try Freebsd out sine they have a new release. still the same old problems with it. have to do a full configure of x [20:11] ed (n=ed@92.1.54.100) joined ##slackware. [20:11] netbsd 5 is in beta =] [20:11] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] i guess it depends on your purpose [20:11] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:11] I'm not sure if a partition is empty because it was never written to or because all of its files were deleted. How would I tell? [20:11] Hi folks, [20:11] Hello [20:11] Anyone can help with Asterisk? [20:11] Not I [20:12] Problems in compilation! [20:12] pastebin [20:12] yeah [20:12] Action: will starts downloading the NetBSD iso [20:12] sure thing ,looks like * and its right above the 8 key.just hit shift+8 [20:13] thrice`, http://pastebin.com/m2fafa2bb [20:13] after compilation of zaptel [20:14] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/asterisk/ [20:14] read/use/love [20:15] that xsupplicant is crap, the configure file looks like they wrote it in a windows OS [20:15] it has all those ^M things like a windows based text editor would include [20:16] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [20:19] wait. will netbsd support my card? [20:19] i imagine madwifi-hal works on netbsd [20:19] lol [20:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [20:20] 'cause, i will be like, SO pissed if i install netbsd and my card doesn't work [20:20] you are installing a different OS just to hopefully get your card to work upon boot? [20:20] then look into it first [20:20] / quit bitching [20:21] :> [20:21] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] just install windows will [20:21] ath5k in 12.2 WFM [20:21] mrselfpwn: no [20:21] im installing a different OS so the card will work. period. [20:21] right [20:21] so just install windows [20:21] lol [20:21] HA! [20:21] will: just dont load the moduels and use madwifi man [20:22] lotec: yeah, i should do that. im just really pissed right now lol [20:22] i should just blacklist ath5k, right? [20:22] it is possible that the ath moduel is just not working with your card. [20:22] will: that is what i would try [20:22] then build madwifi see if it works [20:23] Only reason you need madwifi now (should be) if you need master mode. [20:24] yeah man, you can get it to work with slackware [20:24] you don't need to install a different OS [20:24] i know [20:24] i was just really angry [20:24] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:24] i understand [20:24] What happens with ath5k? [20:24] guys if u look up alienBOB said his atheros card does not work without madwifi also. [20:24] it doesnt work [20:24] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] i have ath5k and madwifi working fine under 12.2 [20:25] and? [20:25] that's not a useful answer. [20:25] my ath4k is working well, just no led's :( [20:25] ath5 [20:25] rob0: im nt sure more specifically [20:25] likewise [20:25] i can't connect to a network [20:26] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] ok [20:26] trying madwifi [20:26] w/ ath5k unloaded and blacklisted [20:27] will, I'm pretty sure you gonna want to reboot or restart udev (your choice) as the network scripts look at udev [20:27] but if you're just thrashing about, the odds are against you [20:28] Old_Fogie: If this doesn't work I'll reboot [20:28] Check the wiki to see if your chip has reported issues? [20:28] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:28] rob0: i had taken a more calculated approach. ive been working at this for a god while now [20:28] yeah udev changes on the fly for people at it's leisure :) [20:28] test with iwconfig and other tools like iwlist? [20:28] rob0: yeah [20:28] doesnt work [20:28] and madwifi doesnt work [20:28] apparently [20:28] at least [20:28] will, define "doesnt work" [20:28] it produces the same error [20:28] 1 sec [20:28] ill get messages and the like [20:29] iwlist: [20:29] ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [20:29] when trying to connect, i recieve [20:30] "ip set ath0 up" [20:30] ifconfig ath0 up [20:30] steerpike: um.... [20:30] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] rob0: Object "set" is unknown, try "ip help". [20:30] link [20:30] When an interface is down iwlist will always fail, listen to either rob0 or steerpike [20:31] "ip link set ath0 up" [20:31] now its scans, but w/ no results [20:31] rob0: isn't it link set? [20:31] lol [20:32] i'm slow tonight :-( [20:32] will: no access points nearby? [20:32] try again [20:33] In case anyone has issues compiling rhythmbox, patch for libmtp (which also makes amarok fail..still working on that) http://pastebin.com/d2e949856 [20:34] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl219-97.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:35] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl219-97.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] err...that patch is against rhythmbox due to API changes in libmtp [20:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:36] hello [20:37] hi clavius [20:37] steerpike: no, there are access points [20:37] there's one a few feet away [20:37] cm21 (i=0@200-85-219-129.bk4-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [20:38] will: well did you try scanning again? [20:38] Hola a todos [20:38] steerpike: yes [20:38] there were no results [20:38] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [20:39] thought you blacklisted the module? [20:39] and attempting to connect yeilds the same results as before [20:39] Old_Fogie: i did [20:39] im using madwifi now [20:39] and unloaded and blacklisted ath5k [20:39] Hello [20:39] are you sure the interface is up? [20:39] does it appear when you do `ifconfig`? [20:40] steerpike: no, but it appears in iwconfig [20:40] yeah, it has to appear in `ifconfig` too [20:40] ah [20:40] no [20:40] it doesnt [20:40] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:40] wait. its down again :( [20:40] `ifconfig ath0 up` [20:40] how did this happen? [20:40] 1 sec [20:41] ok [20:41] keep a separate term open running (as root) # tail -f /var/log/messages [20:41] ip link set up seems to bring it up [20:41] Jan 10 21:44:56 w logger: ACPI action lid is not defined [20:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:42] that's not important [20:42] will, you ifconfig up the device, you also use iwconfig to set the essid and 'ap' if you can is best I find (but scans supposed to grab that but you may have the numbers for the ap, duno) [20:42] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:42] certainly you should know your essid there [20:42] put it in [20:43] Old_Fogie: yeah, i tried that before with ath5k. ill give it a try. [20:43] but if you're using madwifi, then go line by line in alienbob's walk thru, can't say any more than that [20:43] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [20:43] on his wiki page [20:44] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [20:44] Old_Fogie: was his wiki written since 12.2? This worked perfectly on 12.1, the installation procedure i used should be right [20:45] will, I just went thru it last night, seemed accurate and relative to me. [20:45] cm21 (i=0@200-85-219-129.bk4-dsl.surnet.cl) left ##slackware. [20:46] hello Old_Fogie [20:46] Old_Fogie: well, im not saying it inaccurate [20:46] im just saying, this procedure has worked fine before [20:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] will: is there like a switch for turning on/off the wireless on your laptop? [20:47] will, I only use the rc.inet1.conf file; I do not use the rc.wireless.conf file (as it's depracated but kept in slack for backwards compliance I presume as his wiki points out). At first I had used rc.wireless.conf and had issues, for all I knw you edited that ..duno [20:47] i must have downloaded corrupt iso(s) for 12.2 , after a seemingly good install using disks 1,2 and 3 and full install except emacs and TeX it had acpi errors and hung at boot after fresh install [20:47] the 12.0 cd's i just installed with again worked flawlessly [20:47] Old_Fogie: thats what i do as well [20:47] will, really not much has changed in madwifi on slack from 12.1 to 12.2 [20:47] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] hello dtanner :) [20:47] i am redownloading the isos for 12.2 now [20:47] will, are you trying to use encryption at all? [20:48] isos.. plural? why don't you just get the dvd? [20:48] I have not any blank dvds [20:48] i don't get why he's not getting scan results [20:48] Old_Fogie: yes. im using wpa_supplicant for wpa2 [20:48] steerpike, becuase he was using ath5k..then built and installed madwifi and probably never reloaded udev [20:49] d'oh [20:49] will: you could use wpa_gui [20:49] it's a pretty decent tool [20:49] will, imho opinion, reboot/restart udev...turn the encryption off and probably unhide your essid (as I'm guessing you're doing that too :) and try to connect with no encrypt. [20:49] it'll re-associate the card on its own if it loses the signal [20:50] ed (n=ed@92.1.54.100) left irc: "leaving" [20:50] will, if you didn't edit /etc/wpa supplicant config file right, too..you'll be messed up. you know using encryption, you gotta "killall wpa_supplicant" and try again..I find. [20:50] again, how to debug wpa is at alienBOB's wiki [20:51] ok I am going to finish watching the miniature jurasic park movie, Komodo. Yes I know but I am goinng throgh old movies and watching them before I decide to ditch all the VHS I have. [20:51] later [20:51] dtanner, just dont throw out the wedding video or your toast [20:51] :) [20:51] Old_Fogie: noted =) [20:52] hahah [20:52] dtanner: you convert your vhs player into a tape drive [20:52] lol [20:52] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:52] steerpike, you can do that? how much does it store? [20:53] umm.. i don't recall, maybe 8gb :\ [20:53] get the heck outta here reall? [20:53] y [20:53] i've only heard of one person do this [20:54] it's a heck of a lot of work too :S [20:54] interesting, you can clear of all your porn on your VHS tapes..so you can then back up your porn to VHS. Sounds good to me. [20:55] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:55] lol [20:55] I mean old football games and movies, and stuff *cough* cough* [20:55] Azureus is a cool program. [20:56] you can download porn with it too! [20:56] Action: lns40 prefers rtorrent [20:56] Action: mrselfpwn hasn't tried rtorrent. [20:57] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Action: m0nik3r5_ loves rtorrent! [20:57] <3 transmission [20:57] cr0w_ (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] i wanted to try that one as well [20:57] azureus =hog [20:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] m0nik3r5_, isn't it java? [20:58] the azures [20:58] i dunno? its a freaking hog though [20:58] yes [20:58] rtorrent is curses [20:58] i like [20:58] yea it's java, that's why it's a pig [20:58] unless you got a super pooter [20:59] hahah yeah me=old lappy [20:59] i have a nice pooter [20:59] I like some of the features it has in it [21:00] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] ok. i rebooted. brought up the device. still no scan results [21:00] will, and it shows up in both 'ifconfig' and 'iwconfig' ; the interface? [21:01] yes [21:01] and what does dmesg say? [21:01] nothing notable [21:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.74.126) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] odd error, never saw that before :) [21:01] m0nik3r5_, is rtorrent command line? [21:01] loading correct drivers? [21:01] rtorrent is ncurses-based, so command line - sorta [21:01] curses [21:02] honestly will, if madwifi isn't needed I wouldn't even use them bud [21:02] it is needed. ath5k doesnt work either [21:02] will, what card is it? [21:02] ar5007 [21:02] curses is like a text based GUI, [21:02] im using madwifi-hal [21:02] btw [21:02] ah [21:03] the snapshot [21:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] how about transmission? [21:03] transmission has a cli client [21:03] non-ncurses [21:03] i believe [21:03] ctorrent is also cli [21:03] yeah i think so [21:03] hm [21:03] ok [21:03] ctorrent uh? ill have to take a look [21:03] will, and the ath_pci is showing up in "lsmod |grep ath" [21:03] yep. you want ctorrent enhanced [21:04] the original ctorrent project is dead [21:04] there is something like bitcursetorrent too [21:04] rtorrent ? [21:04] Old_Fogie: yes [21:04] ??? [21:04] ath_pci 242872 0 [21:04] wlan 217712 4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample,ath_pci [21:04] ath_hal 305376 3 ath_rate_sample,ath_pci [21:04] will, and you edited your wpa_supplicant.conf file with your encryption details? [21:04] yes [21:04] and that wouldnt effect my inability to iwlist scan [21:04] will, is your access point hidden? [21:05] no. and im sitting right next to it [21:05] panzer: a torrent client [21:05] lol [21:05] noobfarm that onehahahah [21:05] will, I meant the 'essid' [21:05] i know [21:05] it's not hidden is it? [21:05] lol [21:05] im saying [21:05] its not hidden, i know what you mean [21:05] it broadcasts [21:05] and [21:05] yes one that is cli [21:05] that the signal isnt an issue [21:05] cause im sitting right next to it [21:05] Im pretty stuck on using rtorrent right now , but would like some sort of encryption =i2p? [21:05] i meant them as two separate statements [21:05] will, using channel 6 in your AP ? [21:06] that right [21:06] will: too close is also bad [21:06] panzer: yep [21:06] Old_Fogie: how would i check? [21:06] lns40: yes, but its not seeing ANY access points [21:06] there should be a dozen [21:06] will: ok :) [21:06] panzer: well curses [21:06] and ive tried from other areas [21:06] im just sitting next to it so i can use a ethernet jack [21:06] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:06] panzer: so, no ,but......one moment [21:07] holy crap - I am truly impressed with slackbuilds now ... they are simple and clean enough that I found it very easy to write a script to automate doing a whole bunch of them in a row... ya just can't get any cooler than that [21:07] rk4n3: agreed [21:08] so, i dont see that this is going to work [21:08] rk4n3, yeah man I hear that. After I saw rworkman's xfce buildscript, where it loops the build of many tarballs,..I used that and did a build system for myself. I love it. [21:08] pure magic I say [21:08] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] indeed [21:09] panzer: btdownloadcurses , google that [21:09] rk4n3, I do about 700 packages in mine, how about you :) [21:09] monstro: thats in /extra, right? [21:09] oops [21:09] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] m0nik3r5_: [21:09] thats in /extra, right? [21:09] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] indeed it is, don't google, just go to extra/ [21:09] Old_Fogie: I'm up to about 27 ... that's all the "not-in-dist" software I use, pretty much :) [21:10] rk4n3, ah ok. yeah I'm a free software glutton. [21:10] :) [21:10] well, im gunna give NetBSD a shot [21:10] m0nik3r5_: a usage guide? [21:11] will: better try FreeBSD if you're looking for "easy to get things working" [21:11] Old_Fogie: use alot of drive space? [21:11] Old_Fogie, do you makepkg them before installation Old_Fogie? [21:11] you name twice=oops [21:11] rk4n3: im not. i dont mind working to get something setup, but i do mind something not working at all, regardless, short of writing it yourself [21:11] panzer, I'm at around 8 gig used ( I split out my devs docs and incldes like debian does [21:11] will, pity. I just checkd on my box, ath5k could associate to my WPA2 access point but dhcpcd would not get an address. Then I compiled madwifi, blacklisted ath5k, installed madwifi, rebooted and now I do get an IP address [21:11] mrselfpwn, yes I packagize all of them in a buildsystem [21:12] i should do that too [21:12] alienBOB: i did exactly that. no luck :( [21:12] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:12] will: sometimes "not working" and "not working because of your mistakes" is difficult to call [21:12] rk4n3: i cant imagine what i could've done wrong [21:12] mrselfpwn, it' well worth the time to do it, if/when you want some help or an idea for a start, hunt me down. [21:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] will: famous last words [21:12] haha [21:13] panzer: think they said its included in /extra?j [21:13] but seriously. i did exactly that. i blacklisted ath5k, unloaded it, install madwifi. rebooted. [21:13] same problem as with ath5k [21:13] will, just blame Linux when things go wrong, works for me [21:13] okay Old_Fogie [21:13] lol [21:13] I did add "options ath_pci outdoor=1" to a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ because that made it associate much faster (I have a weak signal here and 5 neighboring access points too) [21:13] i'll do that [21:13] I just blame Old_Fogie when something goes wrong. [21:13] panzer: i oonly used once . im pretty stuck on rtorrent,its slim ! [21:13] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] will what commands do you run to configure ath0 ? [21:14] alienBOB: mine doesnt even associate as far as i can tell [21:14] FriedBob, get in line on that one :) [21:14] also, you don't want to be on the same channel your neighbor is using either will. [21:14] Check the wpa_supplicant status: "wpa_cli -iath0 status" [21:14] will: wireless networking is the biggest pita I've ever seen - when it works well, its fine but there' [21:14] i blame my wife when something goes wrong [21:14] ...'s a huge diversity of problems [21:14] rk4n3, agreed [21:14] alienBOB: "SCANNING" [21:14] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Fui embora" [21:15] n00b_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:15] rk4n3, the distro's have really worked their butts off, but upstream is not helping matters , horrible docs, etc etc [21:15] You may want to try out wicd in /extra but that calls on wpa_supplicant for the WPA association too, an uses dhcpcd to get the IP address, just like Slackware does by itself. But you may have timing issues between the several commands, who knows [21:16] well, like i said [21:16] I'm being honest here, it amazes me we have people like alienBOB to figure out those lousy docs and make it work on Slack at all, the docs are just deplorable [21:16] iwlist doesnt even work [21:16] Old_Fogie: yeah, and I also think there's a natural tendency for problems due to the nature of the technology itself [21:16] i suspect there's a deeper issue [21:16] will bring that interface up, then iwlist will work [21:16] i did [21:16] it doesnt give me any results [21:16] and i know theres several networks i should be able to see [21:16] rk4n3, add too that you have too many little binaries that all hook, iw-this, if-that.. [21:16] Using "ifconfig ath0 up"? That does not mean it stays up [21:17] alienBOB: ? [21:17] Old_Fogie: indeed [21:17] [ in bed ] [21:17] lol [21:17] hahah Dominian [21:17] will if it does scan but no AP's show up, is the wireless radio on at all? [21:17] i can see ath0 in the output of both ifconfig and iwconfig [21:17] Dominian: Is that an invitation or something? [21:17] we need the viagra release of ifconfig ! [21:17] FriedBob: haha no [21:17] alienBOB: wireless radio? [21:17] A wireless card has an onboard radio. [21:18] How do you think a wireless signal is transmitted? [21:18] how would i see if its on? [21:18] alienBOB: Magic beans. [21:18] Action: rk4n3 imagines smoke signals and carrier pigeons [21:18] Well, when you see an AP in iwlist atho scan :-) [21:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:18] usually a switch on the laptop [21:18] alienBOB: well, if its not on, how would i turn it on? [21:18] ... [21:18] kiss it, ask it please :) [21:18] lol [21:19] will depends on your hardware. A switch on the front of a laptop usually [21:19] lol [21:19] im not sure i follow [21:19] will like mrselfpwn said is there a switch on your laptop to turn it on? [21:19] wow [21:19] speaking of wireless signals.. I think my access point is having issues.. my signal at here sucks... [21:19] Dominian: mine sucks too, you're not alonw [21:19] lol funny comming from alianBOB [21:19] alienBOB: Well it was fine before.. Dunno if its the antennas.. or if I need to boost the signal on it or something.. [21:19] MIne is great! Oh wait, this machine has a hardline [21:20] lol [21:20] I may end up getting a repeater.. [21:20] You can borrow my tin foil hat and shirt Dominian , helps me grab the signal better, and the chicks just digg it. [21:20] will (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "reboot" [21:20] We have a few at work I can get a cost hehe [21:20] Old_Fogie: I thought about doing the"pringles" can thing ;) [21:20] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:20] [ in bed ] :) [21:20] hah [21:20] guess he gave up [21:20] hehe [21:20] rotfl [21:20] he said rebooting lotec [21:20] Old_Fogie just needs to configure irssi with a shortcut to do this automatically [ in bed ] [21:21] yes I'm in xchat again now [21:21] mrselfpwn: o well i was hoping he gave up then :D [21:21] Old_Fogie: haha [21:21] Old_Fogie: You need to get a shell account with screen on it :P [21:21] so you can symlink yourself to be able to have sex in one room and eat chips and dip while watching tv in another? [21:21] lol lotec [21:21] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] ok rworkman you got me. whore will be getting a few updates [21:21] hopefully he's gone off to install FreeBSD to make his wireless work... LOL [21:21] "whore" ? [21:22] uhh [21:22] Old_Fogie: my router [21:22] hahahah [21:22] cool [21:22] lol [21:22] your router is named 'whore' ? [21:22] wow [21:22] i told him just to install windows and be done with it [21:22] ROFL [21:22] I'm not going to ask what the names of your machines are... [21:22] lmao [21:22] Dominian, can you imagine what the router charges by the day, yikes [21:22] I use her for alot of stuff. Going to be installing ntp on her too [21:22] my router is "morannon" [21:22] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Dominian: yes you really don't want to know about slut either [21:23] hah [21:23] lol [21:23] danc3: mine is 'whateva' [21:23] Action: Old_Fogie raises his hand and says "I do I do" :) [21:23] I had a PC one. Mriya [21:23] well, technically a router would be sort of a digital whore [21:23] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.3.25.100) joined ##slackware. [21:23] but no one could remember that one [21:23] whats the command to shutdown the system? [21:24] vinnie_: halt [21:24] halt? [21:24] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] poweroff? [21:24] or shutdown too [21:24] kill all? [21:24] mine is soekris because its a soekris :þ [21:24] or shutdown -h now [21:24] ahh... thanx. Ive been just hitting the button, and it sends the shutdown signal [21:24] vinnie_e man shutdown [21:24] or that [21:24] vinnie_, yanking the cord does too [21:24] I've got a directory and when I mount a partition under it, it has a different modification time. [21:25] and it's quicker [21:25] 'different'than what [21:25] deepfriedsquirre: uhh its timestamped for when you mount it... [21:25] Is that because the modification time is now referring to that of the root of the filesystem that is mounted? [21:25] also... why do i have to be root to reboot or shutdown? [21:25] hmm [21:26] vinnie_ becaue you are not part of the group [21:26] vinnie_: its safer that way [21:26] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] man sudo [21:26] vinnie_, I use # %users localhost=/sbin/shutdown -h now [21:26] Well the modification time can't be, because I mounted it many times today and its timestamp says something like 31/12/2008 [21:26] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:26] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] ok...thanx [21:26] vinnie_, or you can use # %users ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/halt # note the nopass there [21:27] vinnie_, sudoers file is your friend that way [21:27] Temperature near the equator remains relatively high throughout the year, right? [21:27] brb [21:27] Old_Fogie: http://www.hugolyppens.com/VBS.html [21:27] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [21:27] yes gargantua [21:27] thanks [21:27] steerpike, what is it? [21:27] it's what the amigas used to use [21:28] The Video Backup System Amiga (VBS) lets you connect a VCR to your Commodore Amiga computer and turns it into an extremely reliable and affordable backup device. [21:28] ah yes ok [21:28] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.3.25.100) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:29] Nick change: imexius_ -> imexius [21:29] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [21:29] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:31] videotoaster too [21:31] this is the hardest movie for me to watch. Jebus it gives me the creeps [21:31] what movie? [21:32] The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning [21:32] [ in bed ] [21:32] Deliverance? [21:32] [ in bed ] [21:33] hah [21:33] Does anyone have qmail running on their Slackware system? [21:33] no [21:33] qmail is fail [21:33] use postfix [21:33] [ in bed ] [21:33] kleanchap: yep i just go to www.gmail.com [21:33] SO VERSATILE [21:33] jkwood: hehehe [21:33] nice know what im bout to watch.think i seen it already? [21:34] i have sendmail [21:34] Deliverance? [21:34] Dominian: I know and I will switch. For now, I need to convert maildir to mbox format. So I got to use qmail for a couple of days. [21:34] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [21:34] uhh [21:34] jkwood: All this is in Dominian's bed, right? [21:34] kleanchap: why are you converting away from maildir? [21:34] 1 flew over the Coo Coo nest [21:34] kleanchap: mbox is fail as well [21:34] Cool Hand Luke [21:34] lotec, 'nurse ratchet' :) [21:34] i send alot of forged email:) so,very veratile [21:35] So you're a spammer? [21:35] jk [21:35] I hope so. [21:35] Dominian: I know. But I moving my email to Thunderbird on Windows, which only uses mbox. [21:35] kleanchap: doh [21:35] i was jk [21:35] kleanchap: yeah that's true.. mbox in a client.. i can deal with.. mbox on a server is so fail though lol [21:36] Actually, I've been JK for almost 25 years now. [21:36] mOnik3r5_ Clockwork Orange ? [21:36] kleanchap: good luck with that conversion [21:36] that one spammer got 9 yr ,wtf crazy [21:36] Dominian: Thnx. [21:36] yeah , i gots that [21:36] i like , classic [21:37] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [21:37] I just saw "Vantage Point" last night - great flick [21:37] mOnik3r5_ Attack of the Killer Tomatoes ? [21:37] i thought she got 3 years m0nik3r5 [21:37] haha jk..wood [21:38] Dominian: Years ago I wrote instructions on how to setup Qmail. I still have it somewhere and got to dig it up. Now there is the Qmail toaster (which covers lots of plugins), but I can't figure out how to use this stupid tool. Very frustrating. [21:38] *HE* got 9 [21:38] different spammer then [21:38] Don't know why people write scripts that other people can't use. [21:38] google = spammer 9 year [21:38] yeah it is [21:39] yes, this was a woman [21:39] kleanchap: I got rid of qmail because of the plugins and all the other lack of functionality [21:39] I've written scripts that certain others can't use, but its not my fault they can't ... it happens :) [21:39] i hope they crack down on their asses [21:39] jkwood: you don't do any more spinlock comics? [21:39] made 750000 a month [21:39] most people already have a crack down their asses :D [21:39] what did she do "illegal"? [21:40] no he is not a woman [21:40] er\ [21:40] yeah [21:40] he is a man [21:40] HE [21:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] whtever it doesn't matter on the internet [21:40] Pig_Pen: haha [21:40] what did it do? [21:41] Action: mrselfpwn googles [21:41] damnit [21:41] it just shit on my floor [21:41] anyone know where i can find the slackbuild for ktorrent? [21:41] lol [21:41] vinnie_: probably on a mirror? [21:41] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.188) joined ##slackware. [21:41] isn't ktorrent in /extra? [21:41] lets play with semantics [21:41] www.wowomg.com vinnie [21:42] vinnie_ i vote interent [21:42] Dominian: on the dvd? [21:42] vinnie_: probably [21:43] i found the tgz on the packages website, but i installed it and it dont run. i want to see the readme to see if im missing something [21:43] steerpike: I've had some things that kept me from it. [21:44] vinnie_ if you run it from a term what error do u get? [21:44] vinnie_: what do you mean "it didn't run" [21:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:44] Action: m0nik3r5_ is going to get beer , anyone want anything? [21:44] stella [21:44] killian's [21:44] Guiness extra stout [21:44] jack stright up [21:44] Dominian: torrent: error while loading shared libraries: libQtSvg.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [21:44] mOnik3r5_ ill take a kit kat bar [21:44] vinnie_: You don't have QT installed? [21:44] i see now maybe [21:45] hang on.. [21:45] kit kat it is ,late [21:45] weird [21:45] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) joined ##slackware. [21:45] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) left ##slackware. [21:45] uhhh [21:46] vinnie_: ls /var/log/packages | grep qt [21:46] mOnik3r5_ ill take a 19 year old girl blond then [21:46] hellen keller? [21:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [21:46] dbus-qt3-0.70-i486-2 [21:46] qt-3.3.8b-i486-2 [21:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:47] vinnie_: where did you get ktorrent from? [21:47] that libQtSvg is from QT4 in /testing/kde4 [21:47] google Helen Keller was the perfect woman lotec. [21:47] /testing/packages/kde4 I mean [21:47] Dominian: version 3.1.5 http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=1&q=ktorrent [21:48] fail [21:48] mrselfpwn: well i guess if that is all you guys can find ill take it :D [21:48] hello again [21:48] mwendi (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) joined ##slackware. [21:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZ3mNX2FyY [21:48] vinnie_: are you running -current? [21:48] Dominian: im running 12.2 [21:48] then fail.. [21:48] hang on [21:49] Dominian: i thought 12.2 was the newest? current? [21:49] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:49] no 3.1.5 is for QT4/KDE4 [21:49] IC [21:49] you need ktorrent-2.2.8-i486-1 [21:49] woot: alien is on [21:49] from extra/ktorrent? [21:49] Dominian: so 12.2 isnt current? [21:50] 12.2 is current.. for now [21:50] but thats not the point [21:50] you grabbed 3.1.5 from /extra/packages/kde4 [21:50] but you aren't running kde4 are you? [21:50] no 3 [21:50] then you need to grab ktorrent from /extra/ktorrent [21:51] Dominian: ic now.... its in testing/packages/kde4/extragear [21:51] slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/extragear/ktorrent-3.1.5-i486-1.tgz [21:52] noo.. [21:52] no [21:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:52] You need what is in /extra/ktorrent [21:52] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/ktorrent/ [21:52] that's what you need [21:52] what the hell has happened to googles favicon !? [21:53] Dominian: yes i understand. i was just saying the one i installed was in testing/packages/kde4/extragear [21:53] thats worst than the london 2012 logo [21:53] thanx ill get the one in extra/ktorrent [21:53] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] jkwood: ping [21:54] jonsmith1982: A female favicon came around, and that's its mating plumage. [21:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid [21:54] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [21:57] you can put 15gb on a 120min vhs tape! [21:58] hehe [21:59] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.200) left irc: "leaving" [22:00] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [22:01] factotum (n=factotum@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:08] vinnie_: it will not hurt anything , root will own the files is all [22:09] It's recommended to run slackbuild scripts as root: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#root [22:09] it won't hurt anything to run a slackbuild as root but that means root will down the /tmp/SBo directory [22:09] you just won't be able to run them as a user until you fix the perms in /tmp [22:09] mwendi (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:10] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.188) joined ##slackware. [22:10] mwen (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) joined ##slackware. [22:11] mwen (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:11] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [22:12] thanx.... very helpfull [22:12] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [22:12] mwen (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) joined ##slackware. [22:13] mwen (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] mwendi (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Is postfix the replacement for sendmail? [22:16] no. [22:16] or yes. [22:16] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:16] It is an *option* [22:16] depending on how you see it. However they are both MTAs. but postfix is not something that is sucseeding sendmail. [22:16] it can be [22:16] BP{k}: you dont like sleep do you ? :D [22:17] lw0x15: what is this sleep you talk of? [22:17] Action: BP{k} googles [22:17] ;p [22:17] the people that use mac are the most unhelpfull people ever [22:17] lol [22:17] Could be worse. [22:17] i appled for this PC/MAC tech job [22:18] lw0x15: actually, I love sleep *when* I get it ;) [22:18] only reason I asked was because I saw Alan Hicks maintain postfix on slackbuilds [22:18] does maintaining it mean prefering it? =P [22:18] i never used a mac before ;-D [22:18] yes and no [22:18] alan prefers it [22:19] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:19] i prefer it :P [22:19] But Pat sees sendmail as more secure than postfix? Which is why sendmail is in vanilla slack? [22:19] secure/stable? [22:19] is it a good idea to make the same box responsible for name server and webserv ? [22:21] redtricycle: no idea.. email him ;) [22:21] postfix is far easier to manager than sendmail [22:21] >_< [22:21] I'm struggling with sendmail ._. [22:21] s/manager/manage/ [22:21] I use postfix with virtual domains.. and postfixadmin to manage the domains via a web ui [22:23] redtricycle: pat still uses sendmail because its still one of the more used MTA out there, is the unix standard and because it works [22:23] he doesnt have any direct reason to switch... [22:24] i prefer postfix to sendmail, its alot simpler, faster and more flexible than sendmail... i wish pat replaced sendmail, but installing postfix is easy, so no problem [22:25] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.250) left irc: [22:25] higuita: I made my own slackbuild, before Alan even made his on slackbuilds.org [22:26] if you dont like sendmail, download the source and install it, everything will work just like sendmail was installed [22:26] sendmail is extremely powerful, and has a long history of development - its incredibly mature and by now very stable and secure (unless configured poorly, as with any software) [22:26] thumbs: i have no ideia... i compile on my own since about 2000 [22:27] higuita: well, if you want to easily upgrade software, you should create packages form the source [22:27] basic sendmail config isn't that difficult, either - there's a gazillion tutorials on it, and there's lots of people that can be asked about it, too [22:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] rk4n3: agree... that is why is still used... but our days, postfix beat sendmail in all places unless in age [22:29] higuita: I don't know much about postfix, but I'm skeptical that postfix > sendmail "in all places" [22:29] that would be incorrect [22:29] okay, so can I do this: [22:29] postfix is powerful, yet in some aspects sendmail is still superior. [22:29] I know how to do the following: [22:30] postfix benefits from a simpler configuration file, and is usually faster to deploy [22:30] * Use gmail as a smarthost with TLS and SASL, but I can only send under a login [22:30] Can I use (with sendmail) user@mydomain.com, and use google as a smarthost? [22:31] rk4n3: the only things that might not see postfix as sendmail is things that are too close to sendmail, but even milters work on postfix [22:31] only if its a very recent milter or something [22:32] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] thumbs: in what aspect is sendmail superior, other than age? maybe bigger user base and faster developing new milters (but again, they can be used in postfix) [22:33] higuita: you want a precise feature? [22:33] higuita: I don't think the question is "things that see postfix as sendmail", I think the question is in the respective capabilities of postfix vs. sendmail ... in that regard, I'd be skeptical that postfix > sendmail "in all ways" [22:33] so..if I install postfix, do I make a symbolic link to postfix as sendmail? [22:34] redtricycle: no [22:34] redtricycle: no! [22:34] redtricycle: postfix will install the appropriate commands that behave like sendmail. [22:34] redtricycle: it's completely transparent. [22:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:34] Oh, so I'll still use "mail" as before [22:34] postfix install a sendmail binary that redirects to postfix... [22:34] redtricycle: yes [22:34] mail -s and so on [22:35] postfix is modular, so the postfix binary really doesnt do anything even close to the sendmail binary [22:35] you can even use /usr/sbin/sendmail [22:36] yup. [22:36] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.239) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:38] thumbs: i dont know if sendmail had something really new in the last few years, but i dont see anything missing from postfix [22:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:39] higuita: if you're really interested, I can look over my notes at the time [22:40] :) [22:40] (it's been some time already) [22:42] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] wonder what stopped the dev of sendmail X [22:43] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:43] thumbs: postfix have active developement, so if something was missing some years ago, probably was developed already [22:44] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] yes, perhaps of those are outdated [22:45] sendmail is under active development as well [22:45] I use sendmail due to what I guess is vendor lockin, i spent all that time learning sendmail, seems like a waste to move to something else that doesnt change functionality [22:46] SiegeX: good point - though I wouldn't call it "vendor lock-in" ... sendmail is a very open piece of software, pretty much completely centered around open standards [22:46] continuity through obscurity =) [22:46] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] mwendi (n=ledre@120.164.12.229) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:47] SiegeX: ... I'd call it more continuity through barrier-to-entry ... it hasn't been very long that any alternatives came even close to providing what sendmail does [22:47] and yes ive seen posts of people using google as their smtp SMART_HOST [22:48] i never liked sendmail config file, all rest was fine, but the config was hell... later the m4 scripts helped alot, but i was already too tired of sendmail and after trying postfix and seeing how easy it was, never looked back [22:48] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-152-93.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:48] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-225.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] that time-tested, tried-and-true property keeps people wondering if learning something else is worth it [22:48] i dont think anybody but the most masochistical people edit the .cf directly [22:48] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:48] not i only touch a sendmail if i cant/want replace it (old machines) [22:49] SiegeX: in the past, it was the only way :) [22:49] true but that was some time ago. and if that were still the case i would not use it =) [22:51] I still think many would, though [22:51] yep... to me, the m4 scripts were just too late, but to people that learn sendmail only with then, isnt that bad [22:52] of course, postfix is still faster and lighter doing the same thing as sendmail, so its still a good reason for high load [22:53] m0nik3r5_ (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-fad7e2df9ef0bba0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:53] a network connection with a crossover cable only sets the nic to half duplex? [22:53] its only faster/lighter at startup - for high load, sendmail is very optimized [22:54] dissociative: IIRC, no, you should be able to see it at full duplex [22:54] then the cable is crap [22:54] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-be1bb1c238f3d087) joined ##slackware. [22:55] anyone use rtorrent with ssh? [22:55] rk4n3: postfix too... and you can tune it more. In the end, you can have more postfix process running than sendmail, due the modular design of postfix [22:55] I use rtorrent, but I'm not sure what you mean by "with ssh" [22:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [22:57] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:57] me either really [22:57] higuita: you miss my point - sendmail has has decades of optimization development aimed at heavy loads - postfix, not so much [22:57] rk4n3: [22:57] postfix devs even added a "under load" auto-detect, to try to reduce the load (doing things like reducing the connections timeouts and other tricks) [22:57] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [22:57] s/has has/has had/ [22:58] cr0w_ (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("boredified"). [22:59] rk4n3: yes, but i already saw a server with sendmail sending newsletters, totally overloaded... the same server with postfix took care of the newsletters with 1/3 of the load [22:59] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] if sendmail server have lot resource, maybe isnt a big deal, but with less resources, postfix win [23:00] most of the optimization in sendmail are useless in postfix, as it doesnt need it, the receive process is independent from the sending and the queue [23:01] I guess I'd want to see some real benchmarks before I buy that [23:03] mogunus (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:03] ... also, qmail is faster than sendmail in some scenarios - but its not as stable or as complete - I'd guess the same is true with postfix, unless there's some rigorous comparison to show otherwise [23:04] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:07] rk4n3: http://www.jrh.org/smtp/index.html [23:09] postfix is today better than qmail... qmail was good if had active developement, but as it stop in time and have 5000 extra patchs, its just used by people that already heve it installed [23:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:09] or by people that want to install a mail server and never, ever touch it again [23:10] qmail doesnt fail and as doesnt change, no need to touch it again :) [23:10] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:13] anyone have troubles with sdl-config when installing zsnes. geez what a pain! [23:14] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.239) joined ##slackware. [23:14] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.239) left irc: Client Quit [23:15] which kind of troubles [23:15] and how are you installing it? [23:20] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121vih.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] from src [23:22] i get the error at ./config [23:22] ill figure it out [23:22] tlkg (n=nick@c-68-37-215-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] hey guys. its been ages since ive run slackware. how do i get a daemon to start at boot? [23:23] factotum (n=factotum@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] tlkg: what daemon? [23:24] danc3, wicd [23:24] just make /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd executable (chmod 755) [23:24] thats it? [23:24] and then restart [23:25] geez i was really over thinking that [23:25] heh [23:25] it's the Slackware way. Simple. [23:25] yeah. i havent run it since 9 i think. [23:25] i just forget [23:25] no problem [23:25] welcome back [23:26] you were 9? [23:26] just don't go away again... ;) [23:26] sudo aptitude install ease-of-use-1.0-i486-1.tgz [23:26] hehe [23:26] ah, shit nevermind [23:26] nah.. more like pacman -S i-got-lazy [23:26] :) [23:26] hahah [23:27] Erm... why are we restarting? [23:27] su -; /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start; done [23:28] yeah, that's what I meant [23:30] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:35] c0nflict (i=500@134-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:39] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [23:42] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:42] anyone have any insight that might help me to fix this problem? [23:42] ------- sound initialization ------- [23:42] Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ [23:42] trying mmap PROT_WRITE (with associated better compatibility / less performance code) [23:42] Channel flood from mrselfpwn -- kicking [23:42] /dev/dsp: Input/output error [23:42] Could not mmap /dev/dsp [23:42] mrselfpwn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:42] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:42] lol [23:42] oops [23:43] lol [23:43] didn't think it was gonna do that [23:43] works so beautifully considering your name [23:43] heh [23:43] lol [23:43] so it would seem [23:43] any thoughts on the issue though? [23:44] Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ [23:45] what is that you are running that is giving you that error [23:45] quake3 [23:47] lol [23:47] open arena [23:48] no, I'm gonna play in a lan party [23:48] is there a simple art program? mspaint style? lighter than gimp [23:48] err found this [23:48] Check the permissions on /dev/dsp. Ensure that the user you run Quake3 as has rw access. [23:48] Q3-like game.. i havent had problems with it [23:48] i know i have it [23:48] ok c0nflict [23:48] i thought of that though I figured it would have been set correctly to begin with [23:49] m0nik3r5 (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-be1bb1c238f3d087) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:49] mrselfpwn@baud:~$ ls -l /dev/dspcrw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-01-10 00:15 /dev/dsp [23:50] *dsp[space]crw [23:51] the group audio has read and write permissions [23:51] which my user is in [23:52] theres someone with the same problem and what worked for him towards the bottom of http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Quake%203%20Arena&start=10 [23:52] yes, though that file doesn't exist on my system [23:53] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] try disabling all running sounds...i had problem like that when something was jamming up (system sounds from kde apps) [23:54] thanks for the advice though I have tryed that [23:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:55] out of curiosity, sound card? [23:55] as in what kind [23:55] NVidia built in HD Audio [23:55] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] there is a /proc/asound/NVidia/oss_mixer file [23:56] i have similar issues, with the same sound card [23:56] yeah it sux [23:58] How do I add couple of additional DNS server names into /etc/resolv.conf during bootup time? [23:58] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [23:59] I have edited rc.inet1.conf to keep the current resolv.conf. But the dhcp client is over writting the /etc/resolv.conf [23:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:59] http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/games/391538-no-sound-quake-3-a.html (same problem with nvidia onboard audio for quake3) [00:00] --- Sun Jan 11 2009