[00:00] firebird619, the closest major city is an hour south which is duluth, 2more hours and you hit minneapolis. if i go an hour and half north i would end up in canada [00:00] the cable company here... throttles the net [00:00] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [00:00] nix_chix0r: wow, you're in WAY northern Minnesota. [00:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:01] Action: compl3x falls a sleep on keyboard - night -.. morning - eh night [00:01] nix_chix0r: Ontario or Manitoba? [00:01] I know where Duluth is. [00:01] we kind of had to get the landline to get the dsl service... under contract [00:01] ontario [00:01] i'm down with OPP [00:02] but its super cheap dsl [00:02] that is WAY north,nix_chix0r [00:02] naked dsl is awesome because no line rental [00:02] yeah damn isp companies send me fliers for verizon fios, and dsl and i get all happy like oh boy i can get good internets and it's not available [00:02] MLanden: No kidding. [00:02] we have voip here :) [00:03] AT&T :( [00:04] i have dsl filters on my lnadline... to get the dsl service [00:04] i just know the next place i move to i probally wont change states, and with a social security backround i can get a goverment job anywhere so i'm thinking setting aside at least 7months of pay just so we have a little wiggle room in case either of us are trying to get settled and jobs [00:04] what do you mean naked dsl? [00:05] you dont have a landline [00:05] nix_chix0r: yeah you know me! [00:05] only the dsl service [00:05] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:06] kinda wish this company was not only in minnesota because they are awesome. all the paid vacation, medical, weekends and raises ever 3months i want to kinda stay there forever haha [00:07] dang... got help put away groceries [00:07] brb [00:09] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [00:10] you should say, "you put the groceries away woman! I work and eat. that's it." [00:10] i put them away if he brings them in [00:10] that way i can put them away how i want em [00:10] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.42.43) joined ##slackware. [00:10] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [00:13] kiraa (n=kiraa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] teller (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] gnuplot doesn't come packer with standard 12.2 release, no? [00:14] or is it in extras? [00:15] i have a slight (i hope) problem. I left my left my laptop with my brother-in-law and went to the store as he was playing a game. While I was gone my niece hit the power button and turned off the laptop (possibly others buttons). Upon returning I noticed the wicd-client was no longer running. I attempted to run it and it gave an error; module gtk not found. I read in a forum that a update of dbus-python and one other package was need [00:16] forgive the wall of text please [00:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:16] mrselfpwn, it seems your message was truncated (cuts off at 'needed') [00:17] where does it leave off? [00:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) joined ##slackware. [00:17] why don't you try reading the end of it to figure out? shouldn't take too much effort :) [00:18] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] thumbs: you get the scanner working yet? [00:19] Preparing to install pygtk-2.14.1-i486-1 [00:19] Cannot install /var/slapt-get/./slackware/l/pygtk-2.14.1-i486-1.txz: external compression utility xz missingFailed to execute command: [/sbin/installpkg /var/slapt-get/./slackware/l/pygtk-2.14.1-i486-1.txz] [00:19] mrselfpwn: did wicd work fine before you left? [00:19] yes [00:20] ls /var/log/messages [00:20] err. [00:20] back... finally [00:20] ls /var/log/messages | grep gtk [00:20] mrselfpwn: ^^^ [00:20] kk [00:20] nothing [00:21] yesterday i did install wxpython and have not rebooted until she turned it off today. [00:21] oh man i love that app wicd [00:21] sees my wired connection so easy [00:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:22] oh! slack seems to already have it, great. Silly question: can someone do this please: $ gnuplot [00:22] and then gnuplot> splot sin(x*y/20) [00:22] $ gnuplot [00:22] i'm wondering why it no longer is accepting txz stating the xz external compression utility is missing [00:22] mrselfpwn: you could try slackpkg install gtk. [00:22] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:22] and tell me if the the "background" on which it's graphed is grey or white? [00:22] There may be more than one gtk item though. [00:23] mrselfpwn: txz is the new one, the old one's are tgz. [00:23] for me it's grey.. I just find it odd that it's grey. I'm curiously if my configs are bad or something (I haven't touched them yet) [00:23] yeah, what's the deal with those new packages being txz instead of tgz [00:23] amazon10x: new compression method, smaller packages. [00:23] package sizes rather [00:23] txz?? [00:23] wth [00:23] slack is moving to txz? [00:24] well following some leads is it the program called "file" that contains the proper external compression utility for txz ? [00:24] current has txz packages, read the changelogs. [00:24] :O ahhhh no [00:24] say it isnt so [00:24] mrselfpwn: you on current or 12.2? [00:24] hah, all the sudden everyone is like "ZOMGWTF TXZ?" [00:24] current [00:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] ZOMGWTF?? [00:24] what is ZOMGWTF? [00:25] omg i get [00:25] wtf iget [00:25] oh [00:25] well, the "Z" doesn't really mean anything [00:25] mrselfpwn: Well, somehow whoever used your pc did something to it it sounds like. try slackpkg search gtk and see what is marked uninstalled, specifically gtk stuff. [00:25] it came into popular usage because people go to hit the shift key very quickly to type in "OMGWTF" and in their haste they would hit the "Z" key while going for shift [00:26] oh you meant "OMG WTF TXZ?!?!?" [00:26] okay [00:26] Action: superGear is using slamd64 so i didn't know about the switch to txz :P [00:26] mrselfpwn: let me know what is marked uninstalled as far as gtk* [00:26] ok [00:26] people wouldn't be so shocked if they read changelogs. They are there for a reason. [00:27] not everybody keeps up with current [00:27] ugh... [00:27] Action: chazbro hates change [00:27] i keep up to date [00:27] but i still hate change [00:27] hmm it should be easy enough to convert thing to txz (i wrote a little script for it) [00:27] firebird619, what pkg do i need to install/upgrade that is used as the external xz compression application? [00:28] Hey BP{k}. How's it going? [00:28] firebird619: pretty good :) [00:28] can tar convert tgz to txz? [00:28] chazbro: no. [00:28] mrselfpwn: I am not sure. BP{k} do you know? [00:28] mrselfpwn: you need to have xz installed. [00:28] i just installed 12.2 [00:28] BP{k}: somehow his gtk got removed while he was away. :) [00:29] okay thx, let me check on that. [00:29] ls /var/log/packages | grep gtk shows nothing for him. [00:29] so... i am in no rush to go after the txz pkgs [00:29] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] what did he do leave his machine running while he left for a trip? [00:30] ls /var/log/packages | grep gtk* does though [00:30] mrselfpwn: like what? [00:30] superGear (i=supergea@71-218-133-52.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [00:30] gtk* related stuff I mean. [00:31] for people wanting to convert tgz into txz: http://buhkit.net/~michiel/slackware/tgz2txz/ [00:31] yes [00:31] BP{k}: does that work for 12.2 too. [00:31] gtk+-1.2.10 [00:31] gtk+2.2.14.7 [00:31] firebird619: as long as you compile xz from scratch: yes [00:31] mrselfpwn: Hmm, then you should be fine I would think. Something is amiss. :) [00:32] BP{k}: Ok, I probably won't convert tgz's but I was curious. [00:32] well i changed the txz extension on one and made it tgz and used pkginstall [00:32] oooh.. you have 2 pkgs of the same prov=gram with different versions [00:32] program* [00:32] chazbro: yeah, so do I. [00:32] they come with slackware. :) [00:32] chazbro: that's normal. Slackware ships both gtk1 and gtk2 [00:33] oh.. heh so do i [00:33] i'm installing tx [00:33] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.250) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] Action: chazbro is embarassed [00:33] er *xz [00:34] firebird619: I wrote the script goes it maeks more sense to convert my -current mirror first *then* synchronise :) [00:34] that makes sense. :) [00:34] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Connection timed out [00:34] i got one of these itty-bitty usb-sd cards: http://www.edgetechcorp.com/digital-media/sd-card-flash-drive.asp [00:35] mrselfpwn: hope you get it working. [00:35] thx [00:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [00:35] gboxx___ (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:36] mrselfpwn: request to pm [00:36] well still getting; ImportError: No module named gtk [00:36] when running wicd-client [00:36] sure [00:36] mrselfpwn: that is strange. [00:37] BP{k}: Have you ever used awesome wm? [00:37] mrselfpwn: and you have pygtk installed now? [00:37] never even heard of that one "awesome wm" [00:38] firebird619: nah. I mostly use KDE and XFCE on my laptop [00:38] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-190-106.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] BP{k}: Ok, I installed it the other day, and it doesn't get listed in the session list on kdm, so I've been trying to figure out how to start it. :) [00:38] yes i do and it is up to date using the latest txz version [00:39] firebird619> lets see [00:39] firebird619: is that awesomewm #2? [00:39] /etc/kde/kdm ? [00:39] mrselfpwn: reinstall wicd maybe? [00:40] BP{k}: it's version 2.3.5 from SBo. [00:40] Try 'genkdmconf --help' if you want to generate another configuration. [00:40] ? [00:40] yes i will do that again [00:40] mrselfpwn: not saying that'll work, just a thought. :_ [00:40] :) [00:42] no go on that [00:43] same error [00:43] mrselfpwn: :( sorry to hear that. [00:43] no-prob i'll get it worked out [00:43] mrselfpwn: just out of curiousity .. you're running -current? [00:44] yes BP{k} [00:45] using slapt-get --upgrade --simulate i see the three python related files are pyrex; pycairo; pycups [00:45] all others are up to date [00:46] I asume you solved the xz problem from before? [00:46] yes, thanks to your help. Thank you. [00:48] if I build kernel 2.6 on slackware 10 (kernel 2.4)... can the same modules be used? [00:48] ok those three python files you named, what about them? [00:49] (I know they are part of slackware-current) [00:49] Hmm, awesome has a file, xinitrc.awesome. Where would I put that? [00:50] /etc/X11/xinit [00:50] meh, evening / morning :P [00:50] one sec BP{k}. i'm attempting to upgrade them with xz installed as i did it incorrectly before [00:51] BP{k}: Ok, that file's empty right now, if I put it there, it will start awesome all the time? [00:52] err, I got the file name wrong. :( I FAIL. [00:52] nevermind. :P [00:52] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:53] the xinitrc.awesome file is already in there. [00:54] sweet, it's listed with xwmconfig [00:54] paissad (n=paissad@224.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:54] brb. [00:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:54] slacknode (i=0@c-71-196-210-108.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:55] If anyone is running the Lancelot Plasma applet, and notices the temps are high, you might want to stop using it. [00:55] Hm, that didn't work as I hoped. :( [00:56] I just shut mine down, and my temps dropped 8C. [00:56] Hi Shingoshi. How are you? [00:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-12.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] I'm fine, thank you! [00:57] haha, this describes me with this issue, from fortune: Ah say, son, you're about as sharp as a bowlin' ball. [00:59] i got it [00:59] mrselfpwn: great [00:59] after BP{k}'s help and firebird619 (thanks:) i upgraded all of my python packages needed by wicd and it now works [01:00] \o/ [01:00] Action: edman007 downgrades mrselfpwn [01:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:01] edman007: to what version? [01:01] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> mrselfpwn0 [01:01] firebird619, an early alpha [01:01] Nick change: mrselfpwn0 -> mrselfpwn-0a [01:01] lol [01:01] :) [01:01] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.163) joined ##slackware. [01:02] maybe even a pre-alpha [01:02] yea, i don't know, so old he didn't have a proper version number [01:02] mrselfpwn-0a: work hard enough and you could be in rc status by the end of next week. [01:02] lol [01:02] security focus lists the latest batches of CVEs for the pdf stuff as known but no known exploits in the wild yet. have anyone of you seen any badness yet? [01:02] when can i join -current? [01:03] antiwire, mrselfpwn-0a has a whole lot against him [01:03] what the heck are you talking about? [01:03] my sentiments exactly [01:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:04] i think that this pdf issue is going to be bad come tuesday or wednesday [01:05] i'm fearing it [01:05] someone, please tell me my fear is misplaced [01:06] 99% of pdfs you will read were generated years ago [01:06] agh edman007 your up now! [01:06] lol [01:06] i'm not worried about the old ones [01:06] pdf's are created everyday by the thousands if not millions [01:06] is it windows or linux [01:07] everything [01:07] even the blackberry reader seems to be affected [01:07] so someone is going to write shell code that executes from any system? [01:07] ... [01:07] and send you a copy? [01:07] who said that? did i say that? [01:08] for your system [01:08] ... [01:08] viruses are bs [01:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] ok.. wait.. whats going on with PDF's? [01:11] what did i miss? [01:11] chazbro: don't worry about it, it's nothing chowabunga said so [01:11] just forget i mentioned it [01:11] meh, i'd take my word over yours [01:11] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:11] i didn't say anything about your word [01:12] and i didn't say someone was going to write some magical universal shellcode [01:12] Action: chazbro doesnt take anybody's word for anything... unless it comes from Pat V. himself [01:12] kk, did you get scared of the april fools worm [01:12] chazbro: yeah well check the changelog [01:12] kiraa (n=kiraa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [01:12] i didnt say you said that [01:12] im saying...who is going to do that and get it spread far and wide that actually affects more than...windows? [01:13] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:13] only youtube could have done the flash 10 exploit and done anything [01:13] whos going to do this? scribd? [01:13] lol [01:13] chowabunga: i take it that you don't administer any windows based servers or clients with windows systems who know nothing? [01:13] scribd sux nutz [01:13] yeah i do [01:13] but i use deepfreeze on them [01:13] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] how's that working out? [01:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:13] 100% [01:14] deepfreeze? [01:14] you use deep freeze on clients home systems? [01:14] clients home systems? [01:14] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:14] i do free lance administration and networking for a huge variety of clients [01:14] no, they bring them back and give us more business [01:14] chowabunga: whats deepfreeze? [01:14] plus, they wont download pdfs with this virus lol [01:14] you can't deep freeze most home user systems.... [01:14] the files are too rare [01:15] then worry about it [01:15] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Action: chazbro goes to search "deepfreeze" & "windows" [01:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:15] my wife is stuck on windows [01:15] It's like a way to lock config. [01:15] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [01:15] Every boot is off the original config. [01:15] Hi Motoko-chan. How are you? [01:15] Any changes made during the session are lost. [01:15] I'm oaky. [01:16] okay. [01:16] Motoko-chan: you ever used awesome wm? [01:16] Had some interesting fighting with my new laptop [01:16] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. 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I haven't figured out how to start it so it works. [01:20] Never tried it. [01:20] I'm using KDE4. [01:21] omg Motoko-chan this awesome wm is way off the path [01:21] try wmwm [01:22] its more like MWM [01:22] lesstiff? [01:23] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151100166.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:26] I want awesome wm though chazbro. :) [01:27] so....its not that hard to get into kdm [01:28] chowabunga: I have it in xwmconfig, it doesn't set to default like it should and start. [01:28] this awesome wm reminds me of a crossover of fluxbox and motif [01:28] did you make it executable [01:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:28] yes [01:29] teller (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "::" [01:29] i have... and use on occasion (fluxbox) [01:29] firebird619: what you could try is to copy it to ~/.xinitrc [01:30] use .xinitrc/startx or make a script to run whatever with it,xbindkeys is useful. [01:30] can always do a xinit /usr/bin/awesome or whatever full path is [01:31] BP{k}: and replace what's in there now, or in addition to what's there now. [01:31] firebird619: hm I would say replace, you can always back up your excisting xinitrc [01:31] just running awesome from cli would start it, but it says another window manager is running. [01:31] BP{k}: Ok, I can try that, thanks. [01:32] welll yeah you gotta kill all wm first [01:32] firebird619: just comment default wm,then global settings will apply,themes,etc just add a line for awesome . usually exec awesome. change wm's comment awesome uncomment fluxbox or whatever [01:33] needs to be last line tho whatever the wm [01:33] Action: chazbro is sleepy... cant really help anybody [01:34] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.179.177) left irc: Connection timed out [01:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.139.20) joined ##slackware. [01:35] BP{k}: ~/.xinitrc is already awesome. It must have set that from when I used xwmconfig. [01:35] the last line is exec awesome [01:36] Action: chazbro wants to find a non-support channel only [01:36] Action: chazbro wants to check his brain at the door for a change [01:37] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:37] :) Hey guys [01:37] Man, my server hasn't been online for even two days, and already, I have millions of SSH dictionary attacks against me [01:37] happily, they all failed [01:37] Rat409: It's already exec awesome, so something else isn't right I guess. [01:37] :) and now, I have written a little sed/awk script to add evil IPs to hosts.deny [01:37] :) [01:38] :) I love Slackware :D [01:38] ^_^ [01:38] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-70-234-163-245.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [01:40] elderK: so you know that you're being attacked by dictionary wielding botnet, have you considered disabling password auth and using keys only? [01:40] that would pretty much end the issue [01:40] firebird619: is awesome in your default system path,if not use full path [01:41] Rat409: it's in /usr/bin/awesome [01:41] /usr/bin is in my path' [01:42] antiwire: :) I already do that [01:42] :) [01:42] all attempts are denied :) [01:42] good! [01:42] ^_^ [01:42] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) joined ##slackware. [01:42] I'm trying very hard to keep my system secure, you see :) [01:42] ok maybe no config in ~/ then. awesome versions vary. i've played w/it but been a while. hmm [01:43] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:43] Just setting up a cronjob to keep the hosts.deny file updated with bad ips. [01:43] :) [01:43] Rat409: If you mean ~/.awesomerc, there isn't one. [01:43] because, well, them talking to sshd in the first place is annoying... and works my machine, right, antiwire? [01:43] it does, at least to a certain point [01:44] enough to worry about? [01:44] firebird619: then probly need to make one. which awesome version? [01:44] are you monitoring load averages? [01:44] :) And hey, would you mind if I questioned you later, about some security issues? [01:44] change the ssh port [01:44] Rat409: 2.3.5 [01:44] from SBo [01:45] And no, I'm not. [01:45] k think i have a guide for that not slack,but general idea be similar lemme check [01:45] Rat409: I found a sample awesomerc on their Web site. [01:46] slacknode (i=0@c-71-196-210-108.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:47] hm [01:48] yuh [01:49] 3.x uses lua iirc,man i forget how many bkmrks i have unreal [01:49] Rat409: I'll give that sample a try and see if that works. [01:49] k,i'll keep looking [01:49] Rat409: Ok, I'll brb and let you know. :) [01:49] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:50] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Rat409: no luck. [01:51] http://tamilinux.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/awesome-awesome/ some links ,tips here [01:51] ok, thanks. [01:52] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:55] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:55] this is for 3.x http://www.calmar.ws/awesome/. i'm finding dead links from old bkmrks [01:56] Heh, that other site you gave has some awesomerc files, but they're in pdf. :P [01:56] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:57] win 12 [01:59] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] Rat409: what de/wm do you use? [01:59] win 12? [02:00] in pekwm atm [02:01] how is pek, btw? [02:01] use openbox,fluxbox, also use wmii,dwm,subtle,ion3,etc occassionaly. [02:01] dwm, wmii, ratpoison ^_^ [02:01] fvwm, too [02:01] elderK: pekwm rocks nowadays,lots of themes [02:01] fvwm is very cool [02:01] mostly box-look,arch forum,etc.. several at deviant art [02:02] yuh i have fvwm-devel;fvwm-crystal too [02:02] :) [02:02] variety is nice :) [02:02] heh [02:02] Im thinknig of writing a small script, a configurator for fvwm [02:02] like, [02:02] or a webpage even... css/html, javascript... [02:03] cool [02:03] help generate a basic fvwm2rc [02:03] becuase, atm [02:03] the main issue I hae with fvwm, is that Im too lazy to conf it [02:03] Im still using the MWM look [02:03] :P [02:03] and its been two weeks [02:03] lol [02:03] lol,yuh i ahve borrowed configs from various linux forums,google searchs [02:03] About two months ago [02:03] I sepnt about a day [02:04] writing a set of confs for fvwm [02:04] :P It was cool [02:04] but I didnt back i tup [02:04] :P [02:04] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [02:04] oy. [02:04] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:04] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) joined ##slackware. [02:04] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:04] :P Woe [02:05] it is time-consuming no doubt therei was close 1 more line woulda done me [02:06] hahahaaha [02:06] yeah. [02:06] but its very worthwhile in the end, too [02:06] The Fvwm pager is fantastic, [02:06] that virtual desktop functionality is the best Ive seen in any WM [02:06] hmm time I try this $(/usr/bin/sleep 7h) thing. [02:06] g'night folks, happy slacking. [02:06] :) [02:07] goodnight BP{k} [02:07] once you accumulate tons of configs,rc's for diff wm's like bookmarks,very hard to keep sorted w/o being confusing. [02:07] night BP{k} [02:07] Night BP{k} [02:09] I'm installing pekwm now, I'd never heard of it. [02:10] :) I'd be curious to your opinions on it, firebird619 [02:10] sorry i'm no help firebird619 on awesome,been to long,most bkmrks i have are dead. pekwm not the prettiest default like most [02:11] Rat409: The theme on pekwm's site looks nice. [02:11] Rat409: do you have the SBo version, or a different one? [02:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] you can add dynamic entries,like pipe-menus in openbox. yuh i have a ton. i using 0.1.11-rc1 built a few days ago [02:12] rc2 is out. :P [02:12] I've never tried fvwm or wmii, or anything outside fluxbox, xfce, kde, and gnome. [02:13] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:13] i edited the slackbuild. sweet.,rc2 i mean themes sometimes req a restart after applying it varies. [02:13] kde 3.5.10 \o/ [02:14] firebird619: are you installing pekwm on slackware? [02:14] antler: yes [02:14] antler: I'm on kde 3.5.10 right now [02:14] yay! [02:14] haha [02:14] i use bmpanel in openbox/pekwm. [02:15] antler: If I was on -current I'd be on kde4 for sure. [02:15] I would like to eventually just get a nice fluxbox setup going tbh. [02:15] Rat409: you have a nice config for flux? [02:16] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.43.11) joined ##slackware. [02:16] yuh i'm using cd1 of 12.2 upgraded to 12.2/current && gnome-slack-build. yes probly 40 themes well styles for fluxbox. [02:16] merp (n=merp@77.sub-75-216-56.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:16] firebird619: i'm sure kde4 is good and all, but it looks too bubbly to me [02:17] Rat409: good grief. :P [02:17] antler: kde4 is very nice, but there's nothing wrong with 3.5.10 [02:17] yuh i use wm's whether apps are gnome or kde,always had older comp till this laptop [02:17] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.43.11) left irc: Client Quit [02:18] firebird619: yeah, i'd like to try it a few versions down the road [02:19] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.163) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] Winter__ (n=Winter@69-29-236-50.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] antler: yeah. [02:21] Arirang (n=Arirang@pool-71-182-94-3.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] is Mr. Chopp around? [02:22] know of a good site for screenshots of fluxbox and the fluxboxrc's that go with them. [02:22] antiwire: mr? now you're catchin on. ;) [02:22] hahaha [02:23] pm cool this time of night? ;) [02:23] of course [02:23] Action: acidkill puts on the barry white [02:23] lol [02:23] lol [02:23] hey acidkill, how are you? [02:23] lol [02:23] firebird619: this isn't mine but shows a dark theme for pekwm.http://omploader.org/vMW5maQ [02:24] not as good as others it seems loll [02:24] no..doing good [02:24] theres quite a few nice ones now [02:24] Rat409: that is a nice one. Thanks. [02:24] light/dark both [02:24] got chicks on the line, beers in the fridge, computer sill works...car starts. lol life is good [02:24] acidkill: I guess it is. :) [02:25] acidkill: you have more than one chick on the line at the same time? Is that in case one says no? [02:25] i dont like to monopolize time =D [02:25] i can take 1/7th of their time [02:25] and they have space [02:25] LOL [02:26] haha [02:26] 2 physical, 1 maybe soon, and like 3 kinda out there [02:26] think thats all [02:26] lol [02:27] I haz fluxbox! w00t! [02:28] slackmagic: hello, how are you? What's your flux look like? [02:28] firebird619: hey there. I haven't changed much for the past few months, let me dig out a more recent screenshot [02:28] cool, thanks. [02:29] thats the great thing about linux/unix...you organize the gui and it stays the same for months [02:29] windows just isnt the same [02:29] Rat409: This is nice for pekwm: http://www.box-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=104039&file1=104039-1.jpg&file2=104039-2.jpg&file3=104039-3.jpg&name=BlueDream [02:29] whoa, that got long. [02:29] acidkill: nope, it sure isn't. [02:30] nice looking desktop [02:30] I like this fluxbox style: http://fluxbox.org/screenshots/screenshots_full/screenshot_tenner.png [02:30] omg. that xclock has to go. [02:30] fluxbox is for pentium 2s [02:31] firebird619: try http://www.slackmagic.com/uploads//files/soldesktop.jpg and http://www.slackmagic.com/uploads//files/current-shot.png i think my latest 2 ...former being what I use at the moment with some minor changes [02:31] and people that take a lot of screenshots like fluxbox [02:31] firebird619: yeah tenr has great themes, you might just get them from his site, modify them to your liking [02:31] slackmagic: wow, nice. what theme is that? [02:32] slackmagic: is that real transparency? [02:32] i bought an alpha multia about 10yrs ago...i think all it needs is an old SCSI drive and it should work. IIRC its 133mhz and 4mb of ram maybe 8 [02:32] antler: yep [02:32] firebird619: most likely one of tenr's with some modifications [02:32] slackmagic: ok, I'll have to find his site. [02:32] there was a post on /. about free multias and i got one, payed for shipping, ram and something. was like $50 total [02:32] firebird619: ask and you shall find [02:32] http://tenr.de/ [02:32] i can tar up mine upload some tommorow. gotta crash soon,mother's day today [02:32] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:32] thanks. [02:33] bbiab [02:33] .win 2 [02:33] slackmagic: cool. the limes are strangely sexual in a way [02:33] at some point i was going to get linux on the alpha and get it going but never did. ive got an ultraspac10 that no longer boots [02:33] that was a cool machine [02:33] firebird619: pasted my pekwm menu relevant theme lines near bottom. used menumaker for down n dirty then added dynaic entries. http://pastebin.ca/1418058 [02:34] i want to keep them until i die lol [02:34] weird 100yr old computer crap [02:34] dynamic [02:34] antler: used that theme for a couple months, then my "greenphase" was over and I moved onto something else [02:34] night guys gotta crash can't type anymore. be well! [02:34] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:34] tije (n=tije@189.175.109.213) joined ##slackware. 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[02:41] antler: I do sometimes. :) [02:41] antler: .... blender? [02:41] brb, I'm gonna log back in with fluxbox. :) [02:41] oh shoot, I guess I just lagged big time, received the last 16 lines of irssi all at once :) [02:41] tecky: blender lets you edit video? [02:42] slackmagic: haha [02:42] superGear (i=supergea@71.218.133.52) joined ##slackware. [02:42] antler: you can with blender, yes. [02:42] tije (n=tije@189.175.109.213) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:42] anyway, brb. [02:42] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:42] firebird619: rox-filer was just launched for the screenshots - showing off the alienware icons, I barely use a file manager really [02:42] i always thought blender was a 3d animation app [02:43] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.37) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Ahhh, fluxbox. :) [02:44] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:44] err, even though I have set in fluxboxrc to set my wallpaper, it never sets it on login. :( [02:44] antler: i have tried kdenlive, which still is very buggy, and it doesn't compare to like say pinnacle studio. I've heard a lot about cinderella but honestly have no idea if it is any good [02:45] it's cinelerra [02:45] firebird619: you mean like your $HOME/.fluxbox/startup file? [02:45] slackmagic: yeah [02:45] bbiab, :P [02:46] cmk_zzz: i have an older version of adobe premiere, which is what i normally use to do this stuff [02:46] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:51] morning firebird619 [02:52] wtf is it with people today, the fiancee cant sleep, nor can I ... both of us are up and doing random shit on the interweb :\ [02:53] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) joined ##slackware. [02:53] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) left irc: "Leaving" [02:53] cosmic-telluric forces at work [02:54] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:55] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] hey tecky, how are you? [02:56] morning channel :) [02:56] morning firebird619, how are you ? :) [02:56] great, thanks Camarade_Tux [02:57] and you? [02:57] Aloha, Sir Tux! [02:57] :p [02:57] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] fine :) [03:00] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.236.201) joined ##slackware. [03:02] hi elderK :) [03:02] hmph [03:02] so freaking quiet in here >.> [03:02] gnutz (n=chatzill@c-75-71-58-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] i meant to read up on setting up a openbsd firewall box but, lazyness set in and, ya [03:04] the only problem puting your computer into sleep from the terminal and going back in the history is that when you do UP a number of times, you may as well recall the mount command or the sleep one >< [03:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:05] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.236.201) left irc: "leaving" [03:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [03:07] slackmagic: what did you put in startup to set the wallpaper? [03:07] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:09] firebird619: DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/fbsetbg -f /home/magician/.fluxbox/backgrounds/block_23-2560x1600.jpg and DISPLAY=:0.1 /usr/bin/fbsetbg -f /home/magician/.fluxbox/backgrounds/Song_Hye_Gyo_by_typeSofMsZ.jpg (setting wallpaper for my LCD and TV) [03:10] slackmagic: Hmm, ok, I used fbsetbg, but I didn't use the full path or -f [03:10] I just have one display, so I don't need to define that. [03:10] firebird619: -f is just to set it fullscreen, and I prefer full path, that's all [03:10] You can do it with "display" if you have ImageMagick installed [03:11] slackmagic: Ok, why do you think it doesn't set mine? Any ideas? [03:11] or esetroot, xsetroot, hsetroot ;) [03:11] I don't know why one would work and not the other... [03:11] firebird619: so you can set wallpapers with fbsetbg through a terminal correct? [03:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:12] firebird619, do you happen to have anything that could fight over the desktop ? [03:12] slackmagic: yes [03:12] Camarade_Tux: I don't think so, what would I check for? [03:12] firebird619, kde, gnome for instance [03:13] firebird619: then having it in your ~/.fluxbox/startup shouldn't be a problem. Like Camarade_Tux says, I hope there aren't any other apps that are conflicting with fbsetbg setting the wallpaper [03:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [03:13] gnome isn't installed. I've used kde, but wouldn't I have had to do something myself to have kde set the desktop/wallpaper? [03:13] firebird619: post up your startup file [03:13] across de/wm's [03:13] slackmagic: k [03:14] firebird619, try : xsetroot -gray (unless your background is already gray) [03:14] win 2 [03:14] sigh [03:14] gnutz (n=chatzill@c-75-71-58-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:14] win 3 [03:14] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13559 [03:14] grrrrr [03:15] cmk_zzz: fail. :P [03:15] firebird619: you say it's not setting your wallpaper..what do you get as soon as you login? a solid colored background? a different wallpaper? [03:15] Action: cmk_zzz needs more wine. [03:15] a solid colored grey background. [03:15] http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1241937477252.jpg [03:15] do you feel secure yet? [03:15] firebird619: does this help at all? ---> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-set-wallpaper-in-fluxbox-at-startup-369155/ [03:17] antler: hmm, it might. [03:17] firebird619: how about your ~/.fluxbox/init ? can you post that too? [03:17] slackmagic: sure, sec. [03:18] antiwire, so he's probably French, and ? ;-) (anti-riot) [03:19] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13560 [03:19] Camarade_Tux: i have no idea who or what he is but i sure wouldn't try to fight him [03:20] antiwire: holy smokes. he looks like a real robocop dude [03:20] lol [03:20] I wouldn't want to get him angry. [03:21] if that's the way he looks normally, then to see him angry is, um, well, not desirable [03:21] he looks angry without any help [03:21] antler: robocop on steroids. [03:21] lmao [03:21] firebird619: yah totally [03:21] with a gas mask to boot. [03:21] i would NEVER tell him that he's wearing a gay-ass hat to his face [03:22] haha, me either. [03:22] lol [03:22] antiwire, well, I don't know how it goes in your country, but in France, there's always a scandal when a riotter/demonstrater gets hurt by the police (even though the whole demonstration turner pretty violent and the policemen are getting hurt), they can't really answer the things so they have to stand them [03:22] (/me sleepy) [03:22] in my country, police riot YOU [03:23] the other guy is laughing/smiling, robocop isn't happy. [03:23] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@69.79.75.101) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:23] he looks like he pretty much needs some blood [03:23] haha [03:23] in Strasbourg, for the NATO meeting, the police would receive Molotov Cocktails but didn't really respond [03:23] yeah, and he'll bite your neck or break you in half to get it. [03:24] firebird619: my fluxbox init does not contain the session.screenX.background lines, that might be an issue, I'm not quite certain. Also you might want to check on your bora_black style's theme.cfg making sure it doesn't define the background there; other than that, it definitely can't hurt to do absolute path for fbsetbg in your startup file [03:24] and he's also about to button his holster and start busting caps [03:24] maybe he saw bambi [03:24] slackmagic: ok, thank you for the help. [03:24] antiwire: lol [03:24] or a baby seal [03:25] o man lol [03:25] "that's far too cutie to be roaming freely" [03:25] maybe he saw is gf/wife. :P [03:25] his ex [03:25] you know, the one that took half his stuff. [03:26] I get the same look actually [03:26] and he's thinking "oh shit, she told me i couldn't wear all this plastic shit anymore" [03:26] chopp: hahah [03:26] antiwire: haha [03:26] slackmagic: wow, tenner has some amazing styles. [03:28] or he spotted his boyfriend, and is scared of being busted on his sexual orientation [03:28] haha [03:29] rofl [03:29] eww [03:29] He, in a way, looks russian [03:30] err, I have to switch from yakuake to something else, it doesn't work right with flux, right now anyway. [03:30] what is it to switch screen to a nother terminal screen -D -RR or what? [03:30] another [03:32] sweet, I figured it out. :) [03:33] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.32) joined ##slackware. [03:37] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [03:40] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:44] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] How do i reconfigure salckware so that i get xfec as the default gui [03:45] Cryptic_Bat: run xwmconfig [03:46] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:47] How are you antiwire? [03:50] Is there a way in mc to select multiple folders? [03:51] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.12.0) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Will slackware ever include lxde? [03:53] who knows ? [03:53] The world may never know, but I'm sure Pat V. does. :P [03:55] jeepster (n=jeepster@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: "slide, baby, slide....slade on..." [03:55] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. 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[04:12] what file manager do you use in flux? I don't really care for konqueror, thunar's icons are all messed up, rox-filer is alright, anything else out there? [04:12] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:12] I use rox-filer and mc mostly [04:13] is there a way in mc to select multiple folders at once? [04:13] hmm not sure, never tried [04:15] zmyrgel (n=user@80.221.6.179) joined ##slackware. [04:21] firebird619: push 'insert' [04:24] poofo: great, thank you very much. [04:26] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [04:29] Time to get going. Later guys. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. [04:30] i have some off topic reading material for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_Phenomenon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity [04:30] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:21] Camarade_Tux: have you tried slackroll yet? I'm going to ask you until you try :) [06:23] python ='( [06:24] you don't install python? [06:24] not always ;) [06:25] my internet sucks : it sometimes drops, I can't open any new connection, but the already opened ones (such as irc) survive [06:26] i usually install it, my criteria is: if i install perl, i install python [06:26] X : when you don't know what to do, you can always try making a middle-click without using the mouse wheel, guaranteed to take you a loooong time [06:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:29] will it get confused by slamd64 ? [06:31] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.157.21) joined ##slackware. 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[06:57] slackroll, no "sc" in the middle, is my package/update manager for slackware [06:57] rg3: oh, and ask fred about any compatiblility issues, as i am pretty sure his intention is that slamd and slackware should only be incompatible where 32 vs 64 bit issues mandate it [06:58] ahh.. dyslexia hit me again [06:58] it's not his fault [06:58] kama (n=kama@host62-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:58] but yes, if i ever decide to try slamd64 i suppose i could ask him some questions [06:59] i don't have the hardware [06:59] oh [06:59] kama (n=kama@host62-30-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] i have a 3000+ processor that turned out to be one of the latest ones without 64-bit instruction set [07:00] but i'm not expecting to buy a new computer soon [07:01] fortunately i have a core2duo and a 64bit capable chipset :-) [07:02] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [07:02] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:04] frb (n=frb@p5B0EE82D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:04] frb (n=frb@p5B0EE82D.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [07:05] huskell (n=frb@p5B0EE82D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] maintaining a 64-bit port of slackware probably takes a lot of time, but volkerding should find a way to create an official 64-bit version of slackware [07:06] i don't need it, but the time for that is coming fast [07:09] morning all [07:11] 246.122.42 [07:23] Karu (n=alch@78-28-80-211.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:30] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:30] morning compl3x, how is it going ? [07:30] akiltalib (i=akiltali@dynamic-acs-24-144-191-132.zoominternet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] okay, you're the guys most likely able to help me. [07:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hey Camarade_Tux : its going :) yourself? [07:31] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.12.0) left irc: "Leaving" [07:31] I've got an 8mb footprint minimal linux distro in a VM right now. [07:31] fine, thanks :) [07:31] how do I bring up networking? [07:31] it's got an ifup/ifdown, ifconfig only shows the loopback [07:31] Action: Camarade_Tux used to log in and use 10MB, with everything [07:32] there isn't an /etc/network/interfaces [07:32] watdoido? D: [07:32] akiltalib, I guess you need to load the corresponding kernel module which name I don't know [07:32] nah, it's not that, it's the bleedin' config file, I need to get it right and then bring it up [07:33] noteworthy files: /etc/networks /etc/sysconfig/network /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 [07:33] using slackware or ... ? [07:34] no, but you're the only guys who can help me. [07:34] not sure at all : my reaction when I saw "/etc/sysconfig/network" has been gggnnngrejivhfmdvhmf??? [07:34] yeah, that was my reaction too [07:34] :P [07:34] they changed all the default locations in the last version. [07:35] dunno why, but it's (almost) the smallest distro I can find. [07:35] I'm deciding what to throw on some CF-IDE equipped hardware, vetting it in VM first. [07:35] knowing how to bring up the network would be a dandy start. [07:35] once I do that, I can have fun querying web servers via telnet. [07:35] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-239-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [07:35] (is there a better way to go about that? nc?) [07:36] getting off-topic. So you guys have no idea then? [07:36] anodesni (n=anodesni@82-136-205-217.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:36] networks just has default 0.0.0.0, loopback, and link-local 192.168.1.0 [07:36] Hi, I'm using Zenwalk 6.0 and I try to setup a SSH server [07:37] I don't know what to do, openssh is installed, but I can't login to the machine [07:37] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [07:37] anodesni, the zenwalk people have a channel. do you have your user added? [07:37] no? nothing? [07:37] no, [07:37] not you, I was asking a question before you got here. [07:38] sorry I didnt know there was a zenwalk channel [07:38] there is. [07:38] #zenwalk. [07:38] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] go for it. [07:38] why is there no slackbuilds for quanta or nvu? [07:39] anodesni (n=anodesni@82-136-205-217.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:39] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:39] akiltalib: you distro seems to be debian-like. Maybe you get better support from them ? [07:39] Karu, hahahahaha, are we talking about the same debian? [07:39] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:39] Karu, it's closer to slackware than anything else [07:39] anyone suggest a decent php editor or html editor? [07:39] Karu, they even offer scripts to build it into a full blown slackware install [07:40] Karu, it's *nothing* like Debian [07:40] akiltalib: network setup sems debian-like [07:40] compl3x: quanta has'nt been ported to qt4 yet and will probably integrated with kdevelop [07:40] Karu, I heard you. Sorry, but you guys are it. The distro has a channel and there is literally no one in it. [07:40] compl3x, well, vim ;) [07:40] Karu, debian people can't help me, you're the closest to vanilla Linux there is. [07:40] I HATE VIM! :p [07:41] compl3x, ed then ? =) [07:41] html and php? go for bluefish. [07:41] hmm ill look into it cheers huskell [07:41] akiltalib, first tell us which distro it is and then we'll see [07:41] Camarade_Tux, ttylinux [07:42] pesartain (n=pesartai@79-72-92-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Camarade_Tux, their documentation is extremely poor. [07:43] Camarade_Tux Karu IGNORE ME, I'M A FUCKING DIPSHIT [07:43] they have the damn eth0 disabled by default, I just had to flip the software dipswitch. [07:43] *facepalms*\ [07:43] Action: akiltalib is going to kill someone [07:44] now to pull down http headers with telnet, woo woo. [07:46] Bold` (n=afawaz@ner-as17488.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [07:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:51] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [07:51] evening [07:52] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [07:53] frullet, greetings. [07:58] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [07:58] huskell, cheers for the bluefish tip .. looks nice [= [08:00] anybody with a patched slack-11.0 ? somehow compilation fails for me... [08:00] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld:/usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../libc.so: file format not recognized; treating as linker script [08:00] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld:/usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/3.4.6/../../../libc.so:5: parse error [08:03] pastebin? [08:04] error amounts to two lines only [08:04] your definition of line is highly questionable. [08:04] are you familiar with the 80 column rule? :P [08:05] that's overcoming my own objections to html mail and other things [08:05] wow, that's a weird error [08:05] html email? what? what are you talking about? [08:05] I'm talking about standard terminal width. [08:06] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [08:06] but it seems to be related to a problem linking something [08:07] what is it you're trying to compile? [08:07] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.73.201) joined ##slackware. [08:08] huskell (n=frb@p5B0EE82D.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [08:08] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-239-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] http://glitchtown.com/comics/2009-03-20.png [08:12] lw0x15_, haha nice [08:12] lw0x15_, lol ;p [08:12] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] don't post that on #ubuntu ;) [08:12] lmao [08:12] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [08:13] lw0x15, genius work. [08:14] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [08:14] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:15] glitchtown is awesome [08:16] yep :) [08:17] pesartain, mysql [08:17] Camarade_Tux: i couldnt help myself, to late.. [08:17] mmm mytbusters [= [08:18] frullet, you're forcing me to join #ubuntu ! [08:18] Camarade_Tux: go now, while trolling is ripe for the picking [08:18] Richlv, I suppose asking why you need to recompile mysql is going to launch us into a long and convoluted story? :) [08:19] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [08:19] haha [08:20] na basically ALSA made counter strike source crash, and the old OSS drivers didnt provide any sound [08:20] >< [08:20] it's already far more than I can stand ! [08:20] Camarade_Tux, the real trollan is to be had in #ubuntu-offtopic [08:21] just so you know. [08:21] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:23] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:23] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [08:24] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [08:24] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [08:24] pesartain, short answer - "yes" :) [08:24] in general, i'm more concerned about compile failing, of course [08:24] configure, even [08:24] Configure fails, but you still ran make? [08:25] that error is from config.log [08:25] i did not run make, of course [08:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Fair enough. [08:28] evil plan of the week : rick'roll somebody by mail, not e-mail but snail-mail :) [08:28] That's some dedication to the cause, I salute you. [08:29] Richlv, you say you have a patched slack 11.0 -- where did your toolchain come from? [08:29] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [08:35] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-42-170-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:35] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Angevin (n=live@user-160urv2.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:44] I compiled a new kernel and somehow now neither my original generic kernel on the hard disk nor the new kernel will boot. I have an encrypted LUKS JFS system. How can I boot into this LUKS system using the huge.s image with the installation/boot CD ? [08:45] Action: Razec hi all [08:45] hey Razec [08:45] I now how to boot into a regular non-encrypted system with the boot/installation CD but this is my first time dealing with an encrypted system [08:45] Angevin: it gives you *very* straight forward instructions on how to do that when you boot of the install disc [08:45] what's up? =) [08:45] Nm you? [08:47] hey, frullet, compl3x.....how are you? :) [08:47] frullet: ok, if I recall correctly the boot installation disk gives a quick example of how to boot a regular non-luks system [08:47] hitest: good mate yourself? [08:47] hey hitest good yourself? [08:48] frullet: I guess booting an encrypted system is the same except one just enters ones password to unlock the disk during bootup ? [08:48] frullet: I'm good ty! compl3x: I'm good, thanks:) First cup of java for the am. [08:48] :) [08:49] Im trying to get a bit more fluent with bash scripting - anyone got any suggestions of a script to write? [08:50] a package manager ! [08:50] http://projecteuler.net/ ? :) [08:50] package manager :/ [08:50] or a window manager [08:50] a wm in bash? [08:50] Angevin: you included cryptsupport in your initrd right? [08:50] pesartain, nice [08:50] brb [08:51] frullet: yes, but I think the bootcd tries to load a generic initrd instead of the one from my /boot partition. Probably because I don't know hot to specify it to use the one I want [08:54] Angevin (n=live@user-160urv2.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [08:56] pesartain, original slack-11 install, patched with official patches only [08:56] Richlv, you've not gone and pulled a new toolchain from anywhere? [08:57] qudama (n=Edo@202.152.172.4) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Angevin: i cant remember of the top of my head, but you *should* be able to specify an initrd to use from the bootdisk, going out on a wing maybe try something like ' linux root=/dev/hda2 initrd=/path/to/image ro' worth a try i guess.. [08:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] pesartain, no, definitely not [09:01] Double check your binutils, reinstall it if necessary, and then try some test builds on something a little less ... intensive ... than mysql. [09:02] G'luck! [09:02] pesartain (n=pesartai@79-72-92-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:03] qudama (n=Edo@202.152.172.4) left irc: "Leaving." [09:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.73.201) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:27] compl3x: http://pastebin.ca/1415536 [09:27] compl3x: see if you can figure out how that works [09:27] macavity, okay :) [09:28] compl3x: that should have some interesting things that may come in handy if you do system related stuff [09:28] cheers[= [09:28] macavity: No fair, it's commented. [09:28] haha [09:29] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.230) joined ##slackware. [09:29] not entirely sure what it does [09:29] compl3x: of you are on 12.2 you may need to do -f 9 instead of -f 18 [09:29] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.8) joined ##slackware. [09:29] im running current [09:30] compl3x: ok.. try and point it to, say the qt package log [09:30] ... it takes a while, but it doesnt alter anything [09:30] (it creates three files in /tmp) [09:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] oh... if forgot to "rm $MATCHLIST $FILELIST $TEMPLIST" at the end of the script [09:31] haha made it error out [09:32] Where am I supposed to point the script .. /var/log/packages/..? [09:32] it works macavity, i tried it and nothing evil happened :D [09:32] eg /var/log/packages/qt-r948357-i486-1 [09:33] someone paste it on pastebin.com for me :) [09:33] macavity, ah right [= [09:33] frullet: http://pastebin.ca/1415536 [09:33] does it check dependencies or something? [09:33] macavity: ive never been able to get onto pastebin.ca [09:33] frullet: http://pastebin.com/m3685d5d8 [09:33] line 19: of: command not found [09:33] http://pastebin.com/d78797fdb my custom built mc [09:34] macavity: thanks buddy ;) [09:34] stupid formatting :@ [09:34] macavity: ah, already had it booked marked.. [09:34] anyhows.. back to doing the kitchen [09:34] l8r folks [09:35] laters [= [09:38] what does that script actually do? My initial guess was that it checks what package is depending on another?.. [09:38] exactly [09:39] :) [09:39] Quite like it [= im saving this one :) [09:39] or rather, what *libraries* another package depends on [09:39] yeah [09:39] macavity, .. you write that? [09:39] yes [09:39] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:39] :) - nearly need to learn some more grep [09:40] anyhows.. l8r gang [09:40] ciao [09:40] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [09:41] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] http://pastebin.com/f3b0f1f43 LMAO! [09:47] hahaha nice [09:47] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:48] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [09:48] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-42-170-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:50] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.143.211) joined ##slackware. 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[10:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [10:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-163.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] RedGoblin (i=cwo@114.121.3.17) joined ##slackware. [10:30] hello [10:30] how are you? [10:30] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.32) left irc: "Leaving." [10:31] helllo RedGoblin [10:32] how do i install GNOME on slackware? which packages should i download? [10:33] what version of slackware are you on? [10:33] im running 12.2 [10:33] hmm - you could try dropline gnome but they only have a BETA for 12.2 [10:34] http://forums.droplinegnome.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5914 [10:34] could i just install from its source? is it possible? [10:35] glitchtown is really great :) [10:35] hmm - i personally wouldn't suggest it - but if you know what your doing [10:35] http://glitchtown.com/comics/2008-04-06.png ^^ [10:35] hmm... [10:35] RedGoblin, also http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [10:36] read the news - that looks more promising tbh [= [10:36] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Old_Fogie has installed gnome from source methinks, but, it isn't a trivial thing. I like GSB [10:36] wow theyre trying to keep up with -current . nice [10:37] thanks, compl3x. [10:37] no worries [10:38] GSB works very well indeed. it doesn't replace a lot of stock slackware files. [10:38] oh nice.. reckon pat will ever reintroduce gnome? [10:39] I doubt it [10:40] GSB 2.26.1 being built <-- hope it will be GNOME 2.26 not 2.24, i like GNOME... [10:40] good pic Camarade_Tux, reminds me of why i dont use windows anymore [10:41] Pig_Pen =) [10:42] hmm, looking at the GSB screenshots, people complain kde4 looks like windows, yet noone complains gnome looks like mac os x... [10:44] fair point [10:45] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:46] http://glitchtown.com/2009/04/linuxlinuxlinuxlinux/ :D [10:46] got xsane to work as a regular user [10:46] :) [10:46] nice thumbs what was the problem? [10:47] hello happy slackers [10:47] added myself to the lp group, and added an inetd entry [10:47] I'll see if the inetd entry was required [10:47] nice[= [10:47] compl3x: running xsane as root is not convenient [10:48] haha fair enough [10:48] and now I can 'share' my scanner to other folks on the network [10:49] I suppose that is what this inetd deal is. [10:50] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [10:50] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [10:51] http://glitchtown.com/2009/03/restricted-but-awesome/ lol [10:51] Pig_Pen: You showed us that earlier :p [10:52] no, compare the two [10:52] compl3x, that was not Pig_Pen iirc ;) [10:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host63-234-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:53] yep, lw0x15 [10:53] ah right :p [10:53] kudos to the hplip package [10:56] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:03] were sure having a wet spring, lots of rain here [11:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] we have a bit here. [11:06] I want to go golfing soon. Stop, rain! 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[11:21] the reiser filesystem is about as clean as hans reiser's police record :D [11:21] lol [11:21] haha [11:22] reiserfs ftw [11:22] wifebeater [11:22] :p [11:23] husbandantagonizer [11:23] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:28] root (n=root@189.100.216.5) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Nick change: root -> Guest72234 [11:28] ROOT! [11:28] ip-route: reiserfsck [11:29] :ola!galera [11:29] Guest72234: You shouldn't be irc'd in with your root account. [11:29] whi! [11:30] why [11:30] Guest72234: are you using slackware? [11:30] yes [11:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Action: compl3x lols [11:30] Guest72234: http://slackbook.org/html/essential-sysadmin.html [11:31] i have one problem [11:31] Guest72234: please read that [11:31] I m problem to install tomcat with jsdk in slack [11:31] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [11:32] Linux_411 (n=chatzill@cpe-69-207-126-237.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Guest72234: create a user first [11:32] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:32] ill back after [11:32] quit [11:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:32] Guest72234 (n=root@189.100.216.5) left irc: Client Quit [11:34] fail [11:34] Linux_411 (n=chatzill@cpe-69-207-126-237.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:34] does slackware even promt you to make a user account on install? [11:34] you run adduser [11:35] and it gives you all the prompts [11:35] nope it doesnt. [11:35] no, but it would be a good idea to include that during install [11:35] Linux_411 (n=chatzill@cpe-69-207-126-237.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] compl3x: it sends you an email as such, yes [11:35] hmm - yeah would be a good idea to include it [11:35] even a message on the exit screen of the installer or something [11:35] once you've added an account to any linux distro...you kinda dont care that it doesnt make you go through an extra prompt [11:36] id rather not be bothered and run adduser when im done with root [11:36] fair point .. but still you get people like that ^ [11:36] plus....you may never install slackware again! just keep upgrading hehe [11:36] haha [11:37] pat would add that feature but he hasnt done a fresh install in 13 years so he doesnt see it as a problem :P [11:37] :P [11:37] p.s. twitter is gay [11:37] i never do upgrades, i always wipe out the old and do a clean install [11:37] me too [11:37] Why :| [11:37] i do every 2 years or so...depends [11:38] No one likes orphaned files, huh? LOL [11:38] Im running current atm ill probably clean install on the next official release [11:38] ziggy_ (n=ziggy@189.100.216.5) joined ##slackware. [11:38] nope, i dont want anything from a previous install causing problems with a new install, i do save a copy of /etc just in case there is some info in there i might want [11:39] Pig_Pen: and /home, of course. [11:39] I just save my x11 conf and network rc's [11:39] last time i did a clean install i didn't backup my xorg.conf and fluxbox menu that I spent hours tweaking .. man I was pisssed [11:39] all my other stuff is on my second hd [11:39] i keep /home in a separate disk partition so i just dont format it and only have to set the mountpoint [11:40] thumbs: yeah I have /home on its own partition so a clean install is not a problem [11:40] compl3x: heh, I tar up /etc [11:40] got that here too, but had some issues with user configs [11:40] thumbs: :p [11:40] Action: thumbs looks at the 12 copies of etc.tar.gz lying around [11:40] lol [11:40] heh [11:41] compl3x: it helps to keep an extra disk paritition or two for saving things like save a copy of /etc and take your time to think about anything else you will want to save [11:41] Pig_Pen, yeah sounds like a plan on next install [11:42] i hear that. accidently reformatted my hdb once though [11:42] lost a little then [11:43] I never learn though. Got a habit of installing too many distros and always go back to Slack [11:43] gtg [11:43] bye:) [11:44] cya [11:44] bye Linux_411:) [11:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] take care higuita [11:44] take care hitest [11:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:45] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:45] whaddup [11:45] sup nix_chix? [11:47] hey nix [11:47] Linux_411 (n=chatzill@cpe-69-207-126-237.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.13/2008111319]" [11:47] hey. [11:48] just kinda wakin up here [11:48] gayan (i=1001@112.135.203.98) joined ##slackware. [11:48] hi all ... [11:48] any one using mysql with python [11:48] ? [11:48] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] need some help ... [11:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] hello all [11:51] http://glitchtown.com/2009/03/restricted-but-awesome/ gayan, i dont do anything with linux, i just sit in front of it being awesome [11:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ... :) [11:51] peterjs (n=peter@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:52] yeah .. admit slack is awsome ... [11:52] yeah ... ... awesome! [11:52] eh, right now it's pissing me off :) [11:52] slackware > awesome [11:52] slackware rulez [11:52] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [11:52] keeps it simple [11:53] it jus rockz.. [11:53] Python-2.6.2.tar.xz <-- how the heck do I decompress this? debian, slack 12.1 (with p7zip), netbsd... noone knows how to decompress this of my pooters :( [11:53] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] Old_Fogie, grabd xz from slackware-current [11:53] or tukaani.org [11:53] tar.xz? [11:53] all 3 of them OS's just say "file Pytho.. ...data" [11:54] use xz first [11:54] then untar as normal? [11:54] well it's lzma no? [11:54] xz blah.tar.xz - | tar -xvf [11:54] should an lzma app on other linux's, or bsd's be able to handle it? [11:54] Old_Fogie, lzma compression but different file format [11:54] so no [11:54] chowabunga, beet me too it ]= [11:54] oh it's deadlocked on the file extension? [11:55] Old_Fogie, http://tukaani.org/xz/ [11:55] so if a file is made with lzma compression, and renamed to like foo.lzma.fake lzma wont know how to deal with it? [11:55] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-205-228.net.novis.pt) left irc: "leaving" [11:56] http://glitchtown.com/2009/03/restricted-but-awesome/ [11:56] no, it's not about the extension, it's about the whole file format [11:56] who's blog is this mate ... [11:56] I'm confused [11:56] saw a cool cartoon ... [11:56] .lzma files are terrible : they don't even include a CRC check iirc, .xz is an improvement over the file format but the compression method is the same [11:57] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) joined ##slackware. [11:58] yeah, I dont see this as a binary downloadable for debian, or netbsd either so I gotta build this xz thing. this sux. [11:58] xz file.tar.xz && gzip file.tar [11:59] superGear (i=supergea@71.218.133.52) left irc: [11:59] compl3x> does it work? i just made it up [12:00] I wish he'd backport it and put it /unsupported for sanity sake [12:00] what retards keep comprsesing with p7 or .xz or whatever [12:00] thats software you refuse to use, imo...until they get a clue and compress with bz2 [12:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) left irc: [12:00] its like why compress source code with rar or whatever [12:01] chowabunga, Haven't tested it - wasgoing along those lines tho [12:01] im sure xz and rar and p7 all have their own special syntax [12:01] that isnt like any other compression algo [12:01] so you have to learn that bs too [12:01] see what I dont understand is, according to the slack-desc, xz is part of 7z, I have p7zip latest, and it dont do anything on this. I wonder if my p7z is bad ? [12:02] just to install 1 single program [12:03] xz is meant to be like gzip and bzip, and the xz lib to have the same api [12:03] yet..grepping our trusted /FILE_LIST I don't see p7zip or lzma included with slackware, so xz == independent of the p7 program or lzma? [12:03] RedGoblin (i=cwo@114.121.3.17) left irc: [12:03] im gonna write a bash script and compress it with myscript.tar.xz.7z.rar and submit it to freshmeat [12:03] otoh, rar an p7zip have a different syntax, and p7zip is 150% unusable as a lib [12:04] Old_Fogie, independant of p7 [12:04] now, lzma, I'm not sure, may depends : http://tukaani.org/lzma/ [12:04] xz is not part of 7z or p7zip [12:05] ln -sf ../../lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/liblzma.so.? liblzma.so [12:05] tha'ts in the buildscript for this xz [12:05] so apparently this xz is shipping lzma stuff [12:05] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) got netsplit. [12:05] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got netsplit. 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[12:05] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) got netsplit. [12:05] Bye then? [12:05] yeah, liblzma, but I'm not sure there was only one /usr/bin/lzma [12:05] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:05] there should be an indicator on a soda can that it's empty because i picked up one thinking it was full and it almost flew out my hand [12:05] xz is the new lmza [12:05] lzma [12:06] nix_chix0r, lol :) [12:06] HAHAHAHA [12:06] lzma-source.tar.lzma [12:06] xv-source.tar.xv [12:06] at least when it's empty it doesn't spill [12:06] chowabunga, lol [12:06] so true [12:06] seriously, just refuse to use the crap :) [12:06] get the git ;) [12:06] any one ... [12:06] http://tukaani.org/xz/xz-4.999.8beta.tar.gz [12:06] help me ... please ... [12:06] a nice .gz [12:07] gayan, /me no knows [12:07] it's such a perfect day out [12:07] i need to get mysqldb working with python [12:07] So bascially, if I want to uncompress these .xz files from Slackware --current an onward, in Slack 12.1, or other linux's or BSD's I'm going to have to build this xz app then (until those distro's add it to their repo's) ? [12:07] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) returned to ##slackware. [12:07] Old_Fogie> yeah or...you could just not use whatever is is the ONLY program to use that compression for its distribution methods [12:07] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-182-099-213.nc.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [12:07] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable146.41-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) returned to ##slackware. [12:07] some kid trying to save 33bytes [12:08] Old_Fogie, the kernel uses /usr/bin/lzma so it should appear quite quickly now [12:08] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) returned to ##slackware. [12:08] lzma wont work, gives a suffix error on debian, fedora [12:08] chowabunga, I rsync'ed and it was like more 2.6GB -> 2.0GB (and every package have not been updated yet) [12:08] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) returned to ##slackware. [12:08] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [12:08] chowabunga: xz is much more efficient than this. Further, it's slackware's new default compression [12:08] sure it is [12:08] avoid the .lzma file format, .xz will be better [12:09] Nick change: Stx -> Guest2264 [12:09] wheres the installpkg for it [12:09] Camarade_Tux, yea the lzma I hae wont uncompress it [12:09] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-84-236.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] Old_Fogie: p7zip is only capable of decompressing .lzma, not .xz. Wait for an update :P [12:09] xz is very small and very portable too [12:09] pprkut, yea I noticed that, it's ticking me off :) [12:10] install xz where you need it ;) [12:10] so I guess I'll try and build xz for debian and netbsd and slack 12.1 and 12.2 then :) [12:10] OMG OMG OMGOMG new xpdf patch in Security [12:10] sounds like a busy day [12:10] heh [12:10] Old_Fogie: just build xz and tar from -current :) [12:10] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.118.151) left irc: [12:10] XGizzmo_, but new tar ?may? break pkgtools of 12.1 tho ? [12:11] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] defcon1 (n=localhos@82-41-92-172.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) got lost in the net-split. [12:11] no pkgtools still uses tar 1.13 or some such [12:11] ah [12:11] xz has even been checked with mingw, and **mingw-w64**, it's really going to be portable ;) [12:12] ok lol, so xz is slower than gzip [12:12] hey are you guys able to "tap" on one of these new .xz files in midnight commander and "look inside" using midnight commander and screen? [12:12] so when slackware 13 comes out all packages will be .txz [12:12] sure xz is slower than gzip but it's also muuuuuch smaller [12:12] different compression is good for different things [12:12] size doesnt really matter anymore [12:12] bandwith :) [12:13] it will still be .tgz [12:13] 300 mb out of 2.5gb isnt much [12:13] chowabunga: that's what she said. [12:13] tar is smart enough to detect the compression [12:13] haha [12:13] Jean (n=jean@93-36-228-105.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Old_Fogie: no, and I've been unable to get mc patched to do it. I tried doing it myself, then I found a patch from Mandriva, then I tried mc git which spposedly has it, but no luck on any of them [12:13] I'd keep a/ and ap/ as .tgz and make x/, xap/, k/, d/ and all sources .xz [12:13] spook: chowabunga: all packages in current are .txz already [12:13] Slackwarer (n=Slackwar@41.252.63.163) joined ##slackware. [12:13] almost all [12:13] chowabunga, I told you it's much more than 300MB out of 2.5GB [12:13] rworkman, darn, ok ty [12:13] rather thrice that [12:13] depends on the source [12:13] Is this new news with the compression change? [12:13] from a distro standpoint you dont really care how slow it compresses just that it has a high compression ratio and it uncompresses quickly. [12:14] agentc0re> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [12:14] oh wow [12:14] cool [12:14] The time difference in decompression is really negligible. It wasn't noticable at all on a T30 (older P3 thinkpad) [12:14] XGizzmo_, well I'll give it a shot like you said, build xz and tar from --current for my 12.1 see what happens then I suppose. ( I got a vm..so we'll see) [12:14] btw, 7zip's code is definitely ugly, I'd not trust it for security [12:14] who trusts xz [12:15] Camarade_Tux, it certainly builds ugley (well p7zip builds ugly) [12:15] I had to dig into (p)7zip's code, I'm really happy xz is stable enough to be used [12:15] Old_Fogie: well, I disagree on that [12:16] chowabunga, the slackware team and if they consider it stable enough, I definitely consider it stable enough [12:16] my encryption algos are stable too [12:16] you trust that? [12:17] I see no relationship with (p)7zip :) [12:17] (relationship being a bad word there) [12:17] wow, that's looooon netsplit ;p [12:17] netsplit? [12:17] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:18] alienBOB and a dozen others [12:18] RJz0r (n=taterz@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] bunch of idlers :P [12:18] #slackware-idlerpg [12:19] grr my stupid router wont allow me to choose a specific port to allow on inbound traffic [12:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:20] compl3x> you have to forward to a specific ip usually [12:20] chowabunga, found it - you have to add a service - then choose that o.0 [12:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:21] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:21] is there an rss for slackware-security [12:21] not sure [12:22] me neither.... [12:22] mailing list [12:23] wonders if this new xpdf comes with the pdf2text [12:23] no [12:23] its a bugfix, not a feature upgrade [12:24] no...WHYyyyyyyyy [12:26] gayan (i=1001@112.135.203.98) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:26] anyone see kongoni linux [12:26] slackware with ports [12:27] but i also foudn the program "toast" [12:27] weird that ffi.h (from libffi in gcc) is in gcc-java, it is to be used from c... [12:29] (yeah, I think that could be a bug report) [12:29] i didnt know anyone actually used gcc-java [12:30] I didn't have it installed but needed ffi.h [12:31] Camarade_Tux: maybe for jni [12:32] ziggy_ (n=ziggy@189.100.216.5) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [12:32] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:33] alienBOB> do you believe in extra-terrestrials? [12:33] pprkut, pprkut hmm, yeah, likely, but it's weird to have a .h file in gcc-java and not in gcc- [12:33] whats the best dvd /cd burner that doesn't require annoying codecs to be installed and is still pretty minimal [12:34] cdrecord/growisofs [12:34] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.230) left irc: ":wq" [12:35] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:36] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@190.149.96.105) joined ##slackware. [12:36] guys.. i wonder to know. is it possible to start working as a sysadmin in your countries without showing any diploma? or having one but not connected with any computer science? [12:38] just to work in some company with a LAN, say, of 30...100 computers. to do such work as setting a proxy server, nat, shaping, ftp, smp, etc [12:38] smb* [12:38] ÿ/me wondering if I can kalarm as a reminder on the same time every day using only one entry! (noob) [12:38] Lexus1: I don't have a diploma and i am a Sysadmin [12:38] edman007, what would you recommend for a gui based program [12:38] :) [12:39] i dont like using cdrecord [12:39] agentc0re, where are you from? [12:39] its buggy [12:39] why would you need codecs for a burner [12:39] Lexus1: Utah, USA. [12:39] in our country the situation is often the same. [12:39] chowabunga, because every time i try to burn a dvd or certain cd on k3b and a couple other programs it tells me i have things missing [12:39] like it's not able to burn dvds [12:40] just data disks or something [12:40] i'm studying on the philological faculty 0_o but the sphere of my interests lays far away from philology [12:40] oooooooook [12:40] what things are you missing? [12:40] Lexus1: Why do you ask? [12:40] just interested..how it's in other countries [12:41] lame encoder chowabunga or an encoder of somesort [12:41] maybe one day i'll go abroad and try to find a job of sysadmin=) [12:41] ok so you arent burning data? [12:41] decoder ect [12:41] backing up all the music onto dvds [12:41] nix_chix0r: ah, DVD mastering is not trivial [12:41] wtfffffff [12:42] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [12:42] nix_chix0r, why would you use a GUI? [12:42] probally would take 50 or so to do it [12:42] try this in wine [12:42] http://www.ebswift.com/OpenSource/DoISO/ [12:42] but i use to use k3d or gnome-baker [12:42] s/-// [12:42] works well in windows for sure [12:42] oh never mind [12:42] retards need .net framework [12:43] F microsoft [12:44] yeah i've used gnome baker before k3b is nice but it locks up quite a bit [12:44] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] i dont have to change any diapers today:) [12:46] Hello. When I suspend my desktop to RAM, audio in flash stops working. Latest version of flash, firefox. Is there a known fix for this? I need to restart my browser tog et it back. [12:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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Recently updated to 4.2.3 [12:57] how does shit not have that [12:58] Oh, I see what you mean, it's in the main tree now [12:58] gsan1: uhm only a while back. [12:58] nix_chix0r> what is telling you taht [12:58] gsan1: no, based on the changelog it's not (you can check it on slackware.com) [12:58] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [12:58] ./configure [12:58] Aldaron: yes it is. [12:58] ./configure for what [12:58] for gnome baker sorry [12:58] gsan1, http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [12:58] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] well its your system, did you break it [12:59] i couldn't find it on any mirror sites i looked in [12:59] gsan1: it's just in kde/ now [12:59] hahah no its the hubbies he installed mandriva on it and backed up all his music with an 8gb flash lots of trips that did now for some reason he wants to now back all that up onto dvds [13:00] he couldn't possibly break it [13:00] ahh ok, ty [13:00] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.157.21) left ##slackware. [13:00] nix_chix0r> mandriva dosent come with a compiler....avoid distros that dont come with crap for educated people [13:01] lol it doesnt [13:01] that's gay [13:01] neither does ubuntu and others [13:01] their package manager sucks and nothing is available if that sucks so bad you'd think they'd have a compiler there [13:01] they figure you want to learn their specific package manager and fight with it just to get a compiler without and dev libraries before yuo can do any work [13:02] chowabunga: uhm..thats..most every distro.. [13:02] And its one command to install gcc [13:02] umount /mnt/*;rm -rf / [13:02] chopp, rofl [13:02] Commands like that aren't allowed here, chowabunga [13:02] I suggest reading the chan rules [13:02] chowabunga, * [13:04] superGear (i=supergea@75-171-191-10.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] is there a way to compile a binary for freebsd on linux? [13:05] Sure, just enable Linux emulation on BSD :P [13:05] KFB31 (n=live@user-160uruc.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:05] compl3x, sure : you can cross-compile it [13:05] what do you want to compile [13:05] ? [13:05] Camarade_Tux, How would one go about doign that? [13:05] eviljames :) [13:05] just a test app [13:05] Camarade_Tux: My solution is 10x simpler than cross-compiling. [13:06] ... [13:06] compl3x, you need a cross-gcc, google will guide you [13:06] cheers [13:06] eviljames's solution is not bad either [13:07] Yeah, instaed of cross-compiling, add 'linux_enable="YES"' to /etc/rc.conf [13:07] :P [13:07] actually, it sounds like compl3x is looking to learn something rather than just make something work [13:07] in that case, http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cross+compile+BSD [13:08] cheers guys [= [13:08] already there - getting the toolchain [13:08] heh sweet. [13:08] But, before you go through all the effort.. ports? [13:08] Ok, I am trying to recover Slackware by booting from the installation/boot CD. I am using LVM+LUKS encryption with JFS. I tried 'huge.s root=/dev/sda2 initrd=/boot/initrd.gz' and 'huge.s root=/dev/cryptvg/root initrd=/boot/initrd/gz' and they didn't work. [13:09] The slackware BOOTING.TXT was no real help on this issue [13:09] uh oh, someone who rtfm already! Now what are we gonna do? [13:09] I dunno if my first message here was truncated or not [13:09] KFB31: sorry, I have no useful advice in this case, just riding the troll elevator. [13:10] Looks like the whole thing made it there. [13:10] tuxmountain (n=tuxmount@81.13.134.230) joined ##slackware. [13:10] tuxmountain (n=tuxmount@81.13.134.230) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [13:10] just start up huge.s and then mount the partitions or whatever [13:10] eviljames, we could tell him to rtfmharder :) [13:10] you can fix them without having it mounted as root [13:11] chowabunga: ok if that is the only way I'll do it that way [13:11] silasgtcs (n=silas@189.115.156.134) joined ##slackware. [13:11] its not the only way, but maybe its easier [13:12] ok [13:12] just keep trying different ways till one works heh [13:12] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EA14.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] chowabunga: is there an option at the 'boot:' prompt to get it to look for initrd.gz on a certain partition ? My initrd.gz /boot partition is sda1 [13:14] chowabunga: I think the above commands I tried failed because it didn't look in the right place for initrd.gz [13:14] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EA14.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:14] i thought so too [13:15] BP{k}: do you mean kde4 has been removed from -current? (sry, my connection went down for a while) [13:15] its in testing [13:15] you can load the modules manually before mounting the partitions [13:15] spook: so -current installs kde3 now by default? [13:15] silasgtcs (n=silas@189.115.156.134) left irc: [13:16] chowabunga: I see [13:16] KFB31: boot the installer (let it boot as if you were going to reinstall); then "crypsetup luksOpen /dev/hda1" (assuming the volume is one hda1); then "vgscan --mknodes --ignorelockingfailure" then "vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure" [13:16] rworkman: great thanks a lot that sounds like what I need [13:16] :) [13:16] I might have teh cryptsetup command slightly off - that's from memory, but you get the idea [13:16] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:17] rworkman: yeah [13:17] Anyway, you can then mount the volumes, chroot into them, and do whateer you need to do [13:17] If you have to create a working initrd, you probably will have to mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot [13:17] sooooo...what are you storing that needs encrypted [13:17] porno? [13:17] None of your damn business. [13:17] not talkign to you [13:18] Was talking to you. [13:18] rworkman: this is my first time working with LUKS encrypted partitions on slackware so that is why I seem somewhat clueless on how to fix this anyway thanks for the info [13:18] :) [13:18] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [13:18] np; good luck [13:18] OH MY MY MY, what a TEMPER [13:18] im pretty sure rworkman is a terrorist [13:18] I still recall my first time having a fully encrypted setup fail to boot, so I fully understnad the feelings of helplessness at first :) [13:19] chowabunga: your ridiculous opinion has been noted. [13:19] 5th amendment wont protect your crypto keys [13:19] just fyi, terrorists dont get 5th amendment [13:20] no need to encrypt porno, everybody knows everybody has that. Plus, it takes lots of unnecessary cpu cycles to encrypt/decrypt 500 gigs of stuff [13:21] Aldaron: no. It has been moved from -current/testing/kde4 to -current/slackware/kde* (ie -current/testing was not meant as the same thing but to denote a directory within -current) [13:22] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [13:22] BP{k}: ah, I see ;). I thought kde4 wasn't testing/ before, so got confused. Thanks for clearing that [13:22] Aldaron> what about snuff porn [13:23] chowabunga: perhaps I'm casting pearls before swine, but whether a person has "something to hide" or not is irrelevant. There are some things that are nobody else's business, and therefore some people choose to take measures which ensure that they remain as such. [13:23] rworkman> paranoia is not becoming [13:24] chowabunga: that's something you might want to hide from your girlfriend, yes :) [13:24] Nor is acting like a moron. [13:24] i bet they still use gmail [13:24] and facebook and twitter and whatever other big brother crap they can follow the herd with [13:24] Which simply means that *they* get to decide what information is someone else's business. [13:25] rworkman: still, it's completely acceptable to ask a question. And completely acceptable for someone to not answer that question ;). [13:25] nothing should be a taboo imo [13:25] chowabunga, whats wrong with gmail aye? [13:25] No argument. I just think it's a bit presumptious to even ask. [13:26] uh...like 183 privacy rights organizations say it's EVIL? [13:26] its a massive datamining operation [13:26] heh - never heard any complaints [13:26] google knows everything about you if you let it or dont change your ip/reject cookies/anonymize [13:26] I don't ;). Then again, I'll ask anyone anything, and mostly get along with people who don't mind ;) [13:26] ignorance is bliss [13:27] uva- (i=bno@118-160-164-181.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [13:27] tuxmountain (n=tuxmount@81.13.134.230) joined ##slackware. [13:27] I [13:28] *Hi [13:28] then you still have the rest of your family searching google for "making hash" [13:28] Camarade_Tux, XGizzmo thanks again for the input on 'xz' I got it working now for 12.1, thanks again [13:28] peterjs (n=peter@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] I've install slackware but I can't boot (no bootloader)... I've grub but... how can I configure? [13:29] Old_Fogie :) [13:29] You can help me? [13:29] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-76-124-1-183.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:29] hmm setting up cross compiling is a pain [13:29] tuxmountain, grub is installed and showing during the boot ? [13:29] compl3x> yes but there are easy ways and hard ways [13:29] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] compl3x, no bt it takes some time to get used [13:30] and new tools you dont know about [13:30] chowabunga, easy way being evil's way? [13:30] and everybody has a script to automate it :) [13:30] You know, I think Slackware ?may? have messed up on python 2.6.2 script (or my rsync isnt hte latest).. it seems the buildscript is calling for python-2.6.2-docs-html.tar.xz and the source ball in $CWD is python-2.6.2-docs-text.tar.xz [13:31] i dunno, depends on how many libraries you are linking against and stuff...it definately sucks, but im sure there is some streamlined always work method or a tool for such (look on freshmeat.net) [13:32] if you are editing makefiles and configure scripts...you are hopefully doing it wrong [13:32] otherwise life will suck [13:32] what VM software do you guys use? [13:32] rworkman, does that ring a bell for you? [13:32] Camarade_Tux: I don't speak good English... I've now OpenSuse on 1 partiton, with grub. And, I want install slackware (suse+slackware) [13:32] KFB31 (n=live@user-160uruc.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:33] I install Slackware but not with lilo, not with grub... now when i start my computer i've juste grub with Suse... [13:33] how can i add Slack? [13:33] suggestions of a light weight/ decent vm for slackware? [13:33] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.24.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] compl3x, openbox ;) [13:34] no such thing as lightweight when it comes to a vm [13:34] :P [13:34] tuxmountain> boot into suse [13:34] virtualbox works [13:35] what I meant to say was - doesnt make a mess everywhere [13:35] chowabunga: and edit menu.lst? [13:35] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] tuxmountain, you can create a new entry in your /boot/grub/menu.lst : add the following (with the according title and appropriate path to the kernel) [13:35] tuxmountain> ive never used grub...so im not completely sure, but i guarantee you just follow thes tandard methods [13:35] virtualbox installs mostly to /opt and adds a couple of kernel modules and adds a startup script to /etc/rc.d [13:36] kernel (hd0,X)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sdaX+1 [13:36] any VM is lightweight, you must just run DOS, with 1Mb of ram and its light [13:36] virtual box is nice, very good binary install [13:36] (change X and X+1 accordingly too) [13:36] get vbox running in 3 minutes [13:36] Camarade_Tux: ok [13:36] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Pig_Pen, what would I need to get lets say a standard distro running in vm - vm-kernel .. and? [13:36] or qemu in an hour [13:36] compl3x: there is an slackbuild for virtualbox. [13:36] tuxmountain, opensuse may have a tool to automatically update your menu.lst btw, never tried it however [13:37] dont use a slackbuild [13:37] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:37] chopp, yeah - do I need virtualbox-ose? [13:37] you probably wont be able to compile it [13:37] compl3x> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.2.2/VirtualBox-2.2.2-46594-Linux_x86.run 3 minutes later, vbox [13:37] Camarade_Tux: title slack / root (hd0.3)/kernel /boot/vmlinuz/ ? / initrd ? and it's good? [13:38] i installed win2k to virtualbox - works good, you can also download most any linux or bsd iso and point virtualbox at it and it will boot the iso like it was a CD and run the install like in the real world then it will run it [13:38] chowabunga, cheers buddy [13:38] tuxmountain, for the initrd, it depends but you can boot on the -huge kernel, it won't need an initrd [13:38] mine is : [13:38] kernel (hd0,5)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 [13:38] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] compl3x> it comes with an uninstaller and tries to uninstall prev versions on upgrade....its flawless like nvidia install and ioquake3, etc etc [13:39] Camarade_Tux: I try [13:39] chowabunga, awesome [= [13:39] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:39] compl3x> after upgrading yuor kernel, you need to reinstall vbox though [13:40] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:40] same with kqemu and vmware [13:40] just easier with vbox lol [13:41] tuxmountain, if needed, you can change the command directly in grub (select the entry and press 'b') [13:41] BP{k}: ping [13:41] chowabunga, yeah :) [13:41] BP{k}: do you use bitlbee + gtalk? [13:41] one downside of vbox though is its networking i think...or maybe i just didnt select the right option to give my host its own ip address...maybe vbox runs its on internal router >:[ [13:41] I'm getting the jabber - Couldn't log in: Short write() to server error [13:42] *own [13:43] using qemu/kvm, networking is quite versatile [13:43] i just use dhcp on the guest OS inside vbox and it always works for me [13:43] chowabunga, silly question - how do I run it - im using fluxbox so won't have a menu entry:P [13:43] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] just run VirtualBox [13:43] Nick change: dngr- -> dngr [13:43] /opt/Virtual*/VirtualBox [13:44] cheers guys - stupid upper case B [13:46] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:47] chowabunga: Is there a good reason you discourage from using slackbuilds? [13:48] because they break KISS [13:48] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [13:48] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] Hello.. I have a box with many NICs in it. One of the NICs holds a private IP that another machine behind it uses as its default gateway. I need to route all traffic destinations from that machine to another gateway/ip which is NOT the default gateway on the box. Is this actually possible? [13:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:48] chowabunga: they do what? [13:49] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:49] they make things more complex than they need to be in a lot of cases [13:49] Action: compl3x <3 VirtualBox [13:49] slackbuilds are fine, but it is not difficult to just build source the old fashioned way and use DESTDIR when running make install then makepkg to build the package [13:50] i use them as a last resort [13:50] aye, but there's some quality control in them thar buildscripts. stripping, man pages, perms, of use [13:51] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.174) left ##slackware. [13:51] putting things in right places as some apps dont honor /usr/man or /usr/doc but go for elsewhere (yes I know slack has symlink) [13:51] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:51] sure and if there isnt a slackbuild, just take 30 minutes to write one so you are 'legit' [13:51] I'll take a script over make install, or by hand any day personally [13:52] chowabunga, 30 minutes ..hardly I have a template [13:52] so does alienbob if you need one [13:52] that's why bash rules! if [ -e some-man-page-wrong-place ] do ... [13:52] t [13:52] make install-strip DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg [13:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] so you get some logic quality control. many times, editing a script is just changeing PRGNAM or VERSION [13:53] Pig_Pen, that doesnt work all the time [13:53] not every app works with install-strip [13:53] this is where most people would go ... http://slackbook.org/html/book.html#PACKAGE-MANAGEMENT-MAKING-PACKAGES [13:53] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.42.43) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] and end up with 30+ minutes of wtf, why [13:53] you can always strip later and if DESTDIR does not work INSTALL_ROOT=/tmp/pkg does [13:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:54] BP{k}: solved, but had to make a change to the slackbuild [13:54] Kaapa: ? [13:54] chowabunga, yea you're right, everyone's a noob for using buildscripts, even Mr. V you win ( I give ) [13:54] BP{k}: I take it you missed my last message [13:55] ah. Missed that :) [13:55] Kaapa: yeah. [13:55] leave it to the internets to fill channels with wack jobs [13:55] Old_Fogie> you are missing the point [13:55] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-24-93-187-187.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] Kaapa: what did you have to change. (and for the record; jabber works fine for gtalk here. [13:55] im sure its worth the effort to think your system is so pristine with all your slackbuild cruft and package backup cruft that you never install more than once and wipe out ever major release [13:56] BP{k}: I had random errors... but after today's upgrade to -current it didn't work anymore [13:56] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:56] useful for network admins, but a little extreme for the SLACKER [13:56] chowabunga, actually my whole system is SlackBuild scripted, so your *really* debating the wrong guy on it. [13:56] BP{k}: I had to add the option --ssl=gnutls to the configure command [13:57] BP{k}: it was set to openssl [13:57] i'd use all the builscripts and stuff if slackware didnt just work and keep it simple [13:57] Kaapa: do me a favour and throw that in an email to me please (see *.info for my address, just so I don't forget it when it comes to testing at a later date) [13:57] BP{k}: following http://venefyxatu.freeflux.net/blog/gtalk/ and http://bugs.bitlbee.org/bitlbee/ticket/379 [13:58] my system has never broken because i didnt keep packages and buildscripts [13:58] BP{k}: k [13:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Kaapa: including those links please :) I'll fix it when we update the repo and I'm less likely to forget with an email in my inbox. [13:59] i learned to build my own packages before SBo was ever around, i am glad i did, i dont have a problem with slackbuild scripts and i am old and set in my ways so i do things the way i learned to do them, live & let live, SBo for those that want it is fine with me, i like rolling my own package by hand anyways there has been a few times i seen parameters in buildscipts i would end up changing anyway so why not just roll my own [13:59] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [14:00] BP{k}: sent [14:00] Kaapa: besides that, whattayaknow .. bugs.bitlbee works once again ;) [14:00] cheers :) [14:00] np, thanks [14:01] Pig_Pen> so do you get a lot of use out of Rollyour own, and a lot of benefits, how much efficiency is increase rather than just slacking and fixing a problem if you EVER see one caused by not doign extra work (do a time benefit analysis) *you dont manage a network of pcs do you* [14:02] yeah, i keep a disk partition separate where i store my packages just in case i need them again, i have 3 PCs i manage here at my house and another at my mom's house, roll ones and distribute to all PCs [14:03] roll once* [14:04] Camarade_Tux: it's good [14:04] tuxmountain, nice :) [14:04] i configure xorg [14:04] ^^ [14:04] thank's every body! [14:05] tuxmountain, you can add parameters to the kernel so you get a better resolution [14:05] kernel (hd0,5)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 vga=0x361 vt.default_utf8=0 [14:05] you'd better add vt.default_utf8=0 [14:06] and vga=0x361 will make the text mode be 1280x800 (other modes are available) [14:06] Pig_Pen> thats good [14:06] i'm looking at tar right now and i see switches specifically for bzip2 and gzip but i don't see a switch for xz other than --use-compress-program PROG, is that what we're going to need to use now? [14:06] ok [14:06] antiwire, how old is your tar ? [14:06] Pig_Pen> use rsync to sync your packages/scripts to all pcs heh [14:06] Camarade_Tux: it's the tar that comes with current... [14:07] i have a USB thumbdrive i can put em on [14:07] current's tar has been patched : http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/source/a/tar/tar-1.22-support_txz.diff.gz [14:07] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.39.184) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Camarade_Tux: then way is it not in the man page? [14:08] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [14:08] antiwire, as far as I can see, automatic .txz handling is only for decompression [14:09] so you can use the command you mentionned or pipe ( | ) to xz [14:09] superGear (i=supergea@75-171-191-10.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:09] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:09] rworkman, is this right ? [14:09] that feels like using solaris 7 with their old tar [14:09] so back to my question then.... there is no switch for xz... [14:10] btw, someone was complaining : from -current's changelog : "but we will continue to make the gzip, pkgtools, slackpkg, tar, and xz packages n .tgz format for the foreseeable future. [14:10] antiwire, no [14:12] Nick change: epaphus -> zend [14:12] zend (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:12] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:13] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Camarade_Tux: that pipe in parentheses looks like a fat butt! [14:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:17] Hello everyone. :) [14:17] hi firebird619 [14:18] Hi Pig_Pen. How are you? [14:18] groovy [14:18] Pig_Pen, do you prefer (°)(°) ? [14:18] (that's the wonderbra effect ;) ) [14:18] yeah! [14:18] hello firebird619. [14:18] hi firebird619, doing nice ? [14:18] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Hi agentc0re. How's it going? [14:18] Hi Camarade_Tux How are you? [14:18] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.3.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:18] not too shabby. yourself? [14:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151064087.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:19] firebird619, fine, thanks =) [14:19] agentc0re: doing very well, thanks. :) [14:19] hey firebird619 [14:19] Hey compl3x. How goes it? :) [14:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] firebird619, it goes [=:) [14:20] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.78.54.141) joined ##slackware. [14:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:24] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:24] compl3x: with those stats from yesterday, even though not accurate I'm sure, I really do ask alot of questions if you think about it. I ask many times "How are you?" and so forth, so I'm not stupid as it said, I just ask alot. :P [14:25] what stats page? [14:25] everyone should start adding a questionmark at the end of every sentence? [14:25] firebird619, haha thats true actually :p [14:25] huskell (n=frb@p5B0ED3C3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CE81.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] i think some bot is just counting these things? [14:26] antiwire: compl3x found a stats page for ##slackware yesterday. Who's said the most words, etc. [14:26] Pig_Pen: Yeah, slackboy's keeping track evidently. :P [14:26] not slackboy iirc ;) [14:26] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats/ [14:26] antiwire: yeah, that page. [14:26] internet down again :) [14:27] Camarade_Tux: well, some bot is doing the work. [14:27] I used to rank 10 ='( [14:28] but, I always do : Camarade_Tux_ brings happiness to the world. 28.8% lines contained smiling faces. :) [14:28] Old_Fogie was #1 in most words said. [14:28] Camarade_Tux: haha, yeah, you are spreading smiles across the interwebs. :) [14:28] I knew something was wrong : "Statistics generated on Friday 16 January 2009 - 22:18:15 " [14:29] firebird619, :) [14:29] :p [14:29] :) [14:29] They were last generated in January. They're a little old then. :) [14:29] but I still bring happiness to the worl :) [14:29] s/worl/world. :) Indeed you do. [14:30] :) [14:30] I'm sure I could do 100% =) [14:30] mib_ixstzwqo (i=5b9bdb86@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d66a9291e423bb02) joined ##slackware. [14:30] mib_ixstzwqo (i=5b9bdb86@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d66a9291e423bb02) left ##slackware. [14:31] you could do that easily I'm sure. [14:31] yeah, one sentence and then you disappear ;p [14:32] ='( you can't /NICK Tux:) [14:33] you can't /nick Tux. That reminds me of the line "You can't fix stupid" :P [14:34] don't know why, but it does. :) [14:34] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [14:34] I mean, nick 'Tux:)' ;-) [14:34] so that each line would have a happy face ! \o/ [14:34] :) [14:35] you sir, are a truely disturbed individual ;) [14:35] Hey BP{k}. How are you? :) [14:35] BP{k}, :D [14:35] nip tux lol [14:36] firebird619: I am good. Spareribs and beer \o/ [14:36] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> Camarade [14:36] crap [14:36] Nick change: Camarade -> Camarade_Tux [14:36] BP{k}: Mmmmm. spareribs. :) [14:37] Action: compl3x is loving his constant 750kb/s torrent speed atm [14:37] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [14:37] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] compl3x: 11MB/s here ;-) [14:39] Zosma: :o ]= [14:39] wah :/ [14:41] BP{k}: Yum, that sounds good. [14:41] Re tar and xz -- "-J" [14:41] antiwire: Camarade_Tux ^^ [14:41] excellent thanks [14:41] Karu (n=alch@78-28-80-211.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [14:41] and I didn't patch that - it's part of upstream tar. The patch was to handle .txz as tar archives [14:42] Hi rworkman. How are you? [14:42] I'm here. That's good enough for now :) [14:42] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [14:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:42] :) [14:43] upstream should fix up the man page too stinkers [14:43] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-210.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:44] rworkman, ok, thanks :) [14:44] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [14:44] sup slackers ;) [14:44] Hi ttyX. How are you? [14:45] just finished cleaning my lappy's heatsink [14:45] firebird619, ?????????????????????????? - I win haha [14:45] :( [14:45] works like a charm now :D [14:45] Camarade_Tux: read the very bottom of tar's manpage. [14:45] ttyX: cool [14:45] er, antiwire ^^ [14:45] lol! [14:47] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Client Quit [14:47] yep it's in the info page fairly far in there, but there [14:48] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [14:49] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:49] back! . note to self - dont press ctrl alt backsspace when using vm when input isnt being captured ]= [14:49] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] this is simply unfair [14:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:50] gmail doesnt show progressbar while uploading files in linux [14:50] omg again. - stupid ctrl+alt-backspace [14:50] :( [14:51] compl3x: It's in the first menu in the vm to "Insert Ctrl + Alt + Backspace" :) [14:51] compl3x: ? X trouble? [14:51] rworkman, about info ? [14:51] firebird619, haha cheers :/ :p [14:51] hitest: he hit ctrl+alt+backspace and wanted it to work in the vm, but instead restart X. :) [14:51] and I'd need gnome-autoconf, but I don't want gnome =/ [14:51] s/restart/restarted [14:52] ah [14:52] hey Camarade_Tux howz the work goin? [14:52] hitest, twice. [14:52] :) [14:52] firebird619, how do you do it, i closed the help dialog and ticked never show again XD [14:52] ttyX, hmmm, work, hmm :whistle: ;p [14:52] ttyX, how are you doing ? :) [14:53] firebird619, no worries - got it [= [14:53] finally cleaned up the hetsink of this junkbox [14:53] compl3x: :) [14:54] that rp2tgz thingy is still there [14:54] rpm2tgz* [14:54] I hate that internet connection, it sucks hairy balls ! [14:54] slackpkg wants to install that .txt package [14:54] :p [14:55] Camarade_Tux: hairy tarballs? :P [14:55] ansunzofm (n=sunzofma@c-98-209-203-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] firebird619, lol ;p [14:55] gsb : thou shall not f34r the connection drop : 'lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash [14:55] ' [14:56] will I need guest aditions to use xserver in virtualbox? [14:56] additions* [14:56] compl3x, no [14:56] compl3x: No, but you will to get a better resolution in the vm, and for mouse passthrough, etc. [14:57] hmm okay [14:57] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] please, this is *very* important to me : could anyone make me a package/tarball with *only* gnome-autoconf, or could 'git clone git://git.gnome.org/gir-repository', ./autogen.sh it and make a tarball of it, I really need it [15:00] (I don't think the first option is realistic) [15:00] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:01] this is very important to me. I need 3 naked women delivered to my front door [15:01] antiwire: u mean hookers right? :p [15:02] Camarade_Tux: I would, but I don't have gnome and I just tried and it gave "You need to install the gnome-common module". [15:02] antiwire: lol [15:02] antiwire, I've spent 2 hours working around that but I can't stand it anymore [15:03] gnomre-autoconf is *completely* useless for that but they insist on using it [15:03] firebird619, thanks [15:03] Nick change: akiltalib -> adriyel [15:03] yw, sorry it wouldn't work on my machine. :) [15:03] actually, there are a few gnome/ubuntu/debian users I could ask, hmmm [15:04] Camarade_Tux: grab a deb? [15:04] Camarade_Tux: I have Ubuntu Studio in a VM. :P [15:04] firebird619, that would be ok I guess :) [15:04] ttyX, I don't think there are deb for that [15:05] Camarade_Tux: why do you need that? The texinfo package has the "info" binary. [15:06] rworkman, hmmm, we're probably not speaking about the same thing, I was only concerned about tar's xz integration [15:06] it is integrated, rworkman just schooled us... [15:07] z=gzip j=bzip2 J=xz [15:07] good to know [15:07] defcon1 (n=localhos@82.41.92.172) joined ##slackware. [15:07] but I didn't get why the reference to the info pages [15:08] it should be listed in --help like the others [15:08] because -J is not in the man page...it is in the info page. [15:08] and in the man page [15:08] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [15:08] no it is not in the man page... [15:08] god wtf [15:08] sounds like a break down of the system [15:08] documentation is important [15:08] for fsck sake it is documented [15:08] antiwire> OMG did you isntall the xpdf [15:09] ? [15:09] you dont keep your system up to date? [15:09] he, my tar and therefore its info page must be too old, I couldn't find -J or xz or lzma in the info pages and that's why I didn't get it ;) [15:09] ? [15:09] or maybe that I still can't use those ******* info pages [15:09] http://slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.578477 [15:09] Camarade_Tux: so now i get to ask you the same lame question you asked me right? which version of tar are you using????????? [15:10] who reads info pages? the format is the suck right out of the hell. [15:10] chowabunga: wasn't i fairly clear about that last night? [15:10] so upgrade? [15:10] ...i had [15:10] oh [15:10] i just updated this morning [15:11] i didnt get hacked in 12 hrs luckily [15:11] why don't you keep up on your updates then? you're late [15:11] what's your problem? [15:11] im a slacker? [15:11] it took 12 huors to download from the official mirror? [15:11] both [15:13] ok so i downloaded gcc 's latest version and you can't just install it normally i've nver done it . seems like it will take forever if you have to manually build it? chowabunga [15:13] defcon1 (n=localhos@82.41.92.172) got netsplit. [15:13] nix_chix0r> yes it will take forever [15:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] :( [15:14] what you are supposed to do is go to #mandriva i guess [15:14] nix_chix0r: why can't you just install gcc? you're confused about gcc vs glibc [15:14] gotta fight with their package manager and adding repos [15:14] chowabunga, installing gcc has nothing to do with mandriva honestly. it could potentially effect ay distro lol [15:14] antiwire, 1.16.1 [15:14] that will try to update all your software, etc [15:14] nix_chix0r> uh, sure, but i know you are on mandriva [15:15] gcc has to bootstrap itself then recompile itself [15:15] and you need g++ too and such [15:15] takes about 5-10 hours [15:15] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] and just because you install g++ doesnt eman you can compile anything [15:16] Camarade_Tux: this is why i thought your question made no sense. I was asking about xz which should have been a pretty good hint that I am using -current which means I'm using the correct version of tar to be asking questions about xz integration in the first place: tar (GNU tar) 1.22 [15:16] then you gotta install all the dev headers for libraries [15:16] chowabunga, it's much faster ! [15:16] Hi nix_chix0r. How are you? Happy Mother's Day. :) [15:16] ok then it takes 1-500 hours [15:16] I built gcc earlier this week and it took less than one hour [15:16] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:17] chowabunga is just trolling majorly [15:17] alienBOB++ [15:17] uh, ok then ill put after everything i say [15:17] wait - mothersday - im in the UK pretty sure its not mothers day [15:17] chowabunga: too late for that now [15:17] alienBOB> you are lurking majorly [15:18] that's all he does though. chowabunga just trolls in here all night and all day. he tries to put words into the mouths of others [15:18] Yes I am [15:18] antiwire> no i dont [15:18] k [15:18] i was sayign to exploit the pdf code you would need to do a bunch of crap that isnt really plausible to infect mass systems [15:18] I am lurking in the shadows so I can kick troll's asses if other people are getting annoyed [15:18] k [15:18] you just dont know english [15:18] oh US have a different mothers day [15:18] alienBOB> they can ignore [15:19] defcon1 (n=localhos@82.41.92.172) got lost in the net-split. [15:19] chowabunga: "don't" you missed the apostrophe...captain English... [15:19] chowabunga: you are right about the xpdf though - exploits are highly overrated [15:19] antiwire> i understand context at least [15:19] compl3x: it *is* mother's day in Europe [15:19] yeah i said something about shellcode and he was like "im not writing shellcode!111" [15:19] alienBOB, oh - UK has a different mothers day :p [15:19] i never said anything about writing shell code [15:19] it says gcc is there [15:20] crap, that was today =/ [15:20] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] package manager says gcc is there but the error message it says, configure error no acceptable c compiler found in #path [15:21] $path [15:22] nix_chix0r, check the config.log, it has some informations (in the *middle* of the file) [15:23] Hello rworkman and alienBOB! How's tricks? [15:23] tuxmountain (n=tuxmount@81.13.134.230) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:25] OldGringo: busy :D [15:26] rworkman, did you receive my email a few days ago? [15:26] Hi there OldGringo [15:26] OldGringo: I did ; replying is on the TODO sooner or later [15:26] We received your email [15:27] Okay, the silence was kinda --ominous. [15:27] Well, no. I could not really give you an answer, since I am not going to use src2pkg. But I have nothing against it either [15:28] Hi alienBOB, How are you? [15:28] It's just not the way I want to teach people to create packages. It may benefit people who do not know shell scripting all that well [15:28] rworkman: no news on the php's AddType correction yet? [15:28] I didn't expect you to become an avid user -just try it out a couple of times. [15:28] firebird619: one more '?' for the channel stats? [15:29] haha [15:29] firebird619: got xsane to work - added myself to the lp group. [15:29] alienBOB: Is that okay? :) [15:29] thumbs: good to hear. [15:29] YES! [15:29] thumbs: someone else in here had to do that the other day with an HP all-in-one [15:29] (no I have a stats entry for both all-caps and an exclamation) [15:29] firebird619: that's exactly what it is. [15:30] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CE81.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:30] firebird619: LaserJet 3050 [15:30] alienBOB: are you #1 on that list for caps and exclamation? [15:30] thumbs: cool [15:30] thumbs: done any more with that laptop? [15:30] firebird619: any more what? [15:30] firebird619: most likely I will be somewhere at the bottom of that list [15:30] firebird619: oh, no. [15:30] I am top kicker though iirc [15:30] firebird619: I dropped it at work. [15:31] thumbs: ah, ok. Someday you will get it working. :) [15:31] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:31] firebird619: I may ask the new guy that starts Monday to pluck at it. [15:32] thumbs: cool. I think if it has the right thing inside, you can short it thus erasing the password. [15:32] like C88 or equivilant [15:32] firebird619: you remind me - I need to grab the .config from my previous kernel to get the wifi to work [15:33] thumbs: :) [15:33] I accidentally removed it from this build [15:34] I had used the iwl3945 module. [15:35] wait, I can just recompile the module on its own. No need to reboot. [15:35] thumbs: :) [15:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.24.99) joined ##slackware. [15:38] huskell (n=frb@p5B0ED3C3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:39] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) joined ##slackware. [15:40] huskell (n=frb@p5B0ED3C3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] what's the best method to check disk statistics [15:41] i want to see how fast my raid is rebuilding [15:43] theoretical limit *0.8 [15:43] heh [15:43] ehe, close enough [15:43] one would imagine the rate would be the same that it could do.. [15:43] but how does one check what it's DOING [15:44] freebsd, iostat [15:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] well there is iostat [15:44] never used it myself [15:44] dunno, aint a command for me [15:45] kB_wrtn/s [15:45] Indicate the amount of data written to the device [15:45] expressed in kilobytes per second. [15:45] well i have it.... [15:45] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-144.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] sysstat-7.0.0-i486-1:usr/bin/iostat [15:46] sysstat-7.0.0-i486-1:sysstat: tools for Linux. These include sar, sadf, mpstat, iostat and sa [15:46] i didnt install it [15:46] lets see [15:46] i'm so new to slack :/ since 3.4 if i recall correctly [15:46] hehe [15:46] i just love bsd! [15:46] always do a full install when you are new, you can remove stuff later [15:46] there was a slack package manager, what was it called [15:46] much easier to get all th goodies [15:47] slackpkg or slacktool ? [15:47] installpkg blah.tgz [15:47] no no, an updating package [15:47] slapt-get? [15:47] you know, if i get these controllers and they work in bsd, i may not need slack anymore.. but i'll keep one box slack, i miss it! [15:47] no, i freakin had it last time, grr, i'll find it [15:48] slackpkg. [15:48] pkgtool? [15:48] SEE ALSO [15:48] installpkg(8), makepkg(8), pkgtool(8), upgradepkg(8) [15:48] yes, i know. [15:48] ./ap/slackpkg [15:49] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [15:50] how do i get the setup prompt back on an existing installation? i have the dvd on a local ftp.. i want to download and install from there [15:50] type setup? [15:50] heh, tried that [15:50] shit man [15:50] next time im gonna full install [15:50] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [15:50] ;) [15:50] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:50] lol no i forget what it is hold on [15:51] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:51] its pkgtool [15:51] giuppy (n=giuppy@host231-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] setup is the last option [15:51] maybe i should pkgtool from a folder, ssh mount the folder i guess [15:51] you did ftp install? [15:51] I know at least one person would disagree ;) : Q: hat is printed on the bottom of beer bottles in Minnesota? \n A: Open other end [15:52] yea [15:52] cool [15:52] with boot floppies? [15:52] i've got cd1 in the system actually [15:52] this is retarded [15:52] mount the iso [15:52] or cd [15:52] Hi nix_chix0r. what's retarded? [15:52] crap, took it out lol [15:52] yea, i'll figure it out. [15:52] shoulda done full install :P [15:53] eh, i hate all the unnecessary junk ;) [15:53] firebird619, just trying to work on hubbys computer and i'm getting really tired of mandriva lmao i even went into their chan to ask about some stuff and it's going to be more of a pita than i thought [15:53] i'm still confused as far as what i should do as my file server. [15:53] slack or bsd.. seagate or western digital [15:53] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.134.28) joined ##slackware. [15:53] jeev> thats when you configure your system then do pkgtool and go through checking things to remove :) [15:53] so it can wait [15:54] nix_chix0r, solved your compiler problem ? [15:54] hi [15:54] or he can fix the repositories [15:54] yea, i know.. it's too much though! [15:54] hi rg3 :) [15:54] Camarade_Tux, i know what i have to do but i'm not goign to waste my time doing it [15:54] it's best to just have the dvd iso on the system. [15:54] yea or an rsync copy [15:54] haha i could do that [15:54] yea, weekly rsync [15:54] well, hopefully kernel.org starts mirroring slackware soon [15:55] nix_chix0r> ubuntu is the same way [15:55] nix_chix0r, I've probably done worse : I wasted 20 minutes on ubuntu before figuring it was ncurses-dev and not ncurses-devel >< [15:55] chowabunga, i just don't understand why it has to be so retarded though [15:55] just think about the model they use [15:55] nix_chix0r, because it is still terribly advanced for some people ;) [15:55] and how it becomes too complex to function [15:56] Camarade_Tux> lol [15:56] nix_chix0r: Happy Mother's Day. :) [15:56] so maybe they should give you all the programs you want instead of leaving them out screwing up the package manager and making it darn near impossible to compile somethingon your own if you want [15:56] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:56] might as well not have root [15:56] and the people that are used to gnu/linux doing what it says....are too advanced to use mandriva [15:56] 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso (4154949632 bytes) [15:56] slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso: short write [15:56] 426 Transfer aborted. Operation not permitted [15:56] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [15:56] heh [15:56] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:56] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:56] haha [15:56] Action: nix_chix0r facepalms [15:56] what can i thank that to? [15:57] that's twice now jeev. [15:57] :P [15:57] binary sucks too [15:57] jeev> uh...do dmesg [15:57] dood it's 3 liens! [15:57] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] nothing nasty.. [15:57] nforces [15:57] jeev ask jeevs [15:57] jeev> if nothing in there at bottom...then say crappy cable? [15:57] wifi? [15:57] nic [15:57] tg3 [15:57] ftp can go too fast for tcp sometimes [15:57] hehe [15:57] firebird619, i'll be alright now that i'm done venting about how lame that is [15:58] try wget [15:58] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147483647 May 10 12:56 slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [15:58] jeev: what kind of filesystem do you have there? [15:58] the first thing to decide if a distro is usable is to check if it installs development tools by default, then if it has -dev packages (or doesn't make a distinction) [15:58] nix_chix0r: :) that's good. [15:58] he can install a real distro and find another way to burn his music to dvds lol [15:58] ext3, downloading from ufs2 [15:58] like using cdrecord [15:59] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:59] nix_chix0r> try to do any other method...try to setup nfs or ssh or ftp and copy it to yours....bet mandriva still sux [15:59] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:59] alienBOB, i'm definitely not maxing out max file size :/ [15:59] wget is almost to 2gb now, so i'll see what happens [16:00] nix_chix0r> if he has a dvd burner and a cd rom you can boot knoppix and do it easierlier [16:00] haha [16:00] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.3.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] i think what i'm going to do is have him read how to do all that stuff. get frustrated and watch him kick and scream:) [16:01] then he can transfer gnome baker onto his laptop and burn his music on there [16:01] unless he deleted it [16:02] its passed the point, oh well [16:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] wouldn't it be entirely possible to broadcast and receive radio on your wifi card? [16:05] and to mess with local cell phones? [16:05] dartmouth, wifi is 2.4GHz, radio is much lower (100MHz) [16:05] you couldn't slow it down? [16:05] cell phones however might be possible [16:05] I mean are there hardware caps on what frequencies it's allowed to do? [16:05] you can buy jammers [16:05] dartmouth, no, definitely too far away [16:06] seems like that would be a very small adjustment [16:06] but they are illegal [16:06] and will just irradiate you [16:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] dartmouth, the problem is not what frequencies are allowed, wifi hardware just can't do 100MHz, it's too far away from its nominal frequency [16:07] jammers are not always illegal, for private use, they are ok [16:07] nominal frequency? [16:07] better off building your own [16:08] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:08] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] I want to hear what's going on on the police scanners and cb radio and stuff in my area :( [16:08] dartmouth, 2.4GHz, the frequency it's build to run at [16:08] just buy a scanner [16:08] And I want to type strange crypting morse code to my local air force base lol [16:09] who enjoyed Phenomenon? [16:09] great movie [16:09] that will get you in trouble, ever hear of triangulation? direction finding antennas>? [16:09] i really do want to listen in on stuff though, I'm still convinced you could do this with a wifi adapter [16:09] dartmouth> they'd triangulate the signal [16:09] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) left irc: "Leaving" [16:09] I wouldn't jam either, especially air force [16:10] search craigslist in your hometown, i am sure you can find a second hand police scanner cheap [16:10] haha. yeah. 'hey lemme play with your signals. sweet. now will let me in?' doesnt work too well. i've got 235 days before my enlistment stuff starts and i need tsew all my wild oats [16:11] Camarade_Tux: what i was confused about regarding the possibility of it, was why would a shorter frequency than nominal be hard on the hardware? [16:11] just tell them you are gay [16:12] oh my god, watching the lakers lose is making my day [16:13] i only once seen a hack to use a TV card on receiving out of band signals but i would imagine the features would be limited and since tv receivers uses wide-FM and two-way vhf/uhf radios use narrow-fm the modulation would sound awful if it worked at all [16:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:13] Pig_Pen: oh yeah i imagine you'd need a bunch of filters [16:14] sdcardgrub (n=sdcardgr@250.Red-79-147-144.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] dartmouth, iirc, for a longer wavelenght (equivalent to lower frequency), you need a longer antenna, basically of the length of the wavelength, so an antenna for 100MHz would have to be 24 times longer than one for 2.4GHz [16:14] I can make that happen. [16:14] heh you also need analog audio demodulator circuits :) [16:15] why couldn't you do that at a software level? [16:15] divide the radio frequency MHz by 468 and you would get a rough estimate on teh size of a decent half wave antenna [16:15] add in that many services are trunked and that;'s another whole set of circuitry [16:15] my core duo 2 laptop does not support booting from an sd card. is there a way to configure grub to boot from the sd card (perhaps with extra software) like you do on an old laptop whose bios does not support booting from CD by configuring grub with a little help from smartbootmanager? [16:15] just go buy a scanner. :) I recomment a bearcat BCD-396XT or GRE-500 [16:16] dartmouth: becasue the necessary DSP hardware isn;t there. you can't do everything is software heh [16:16] i agree, buy a scanner and you would get better results than trying to hack some wifi or TV card [16:16] defcon1 (n=localhos@82.41.92.172) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Darn. [16:16] because i have this idea [16:16] about sharing a filesystem over shortwave [16:17] when i run pkgtool, what dir do i have to be in? in the slackware dir, no ? [16:17] dartmouth> its a good idea [16:17] you need to make a shortwave modem, plz thx [16:17] dartmouth: been done already [16:17] and ill write the routing code / tcpip implementation [16:17] NyteOwl: really? [16:17] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [16:17] I'm pretty sure it was my idea. [16:17] check out some amateur radio sites :) [16:17] hola [16:17] no. I refuse to believe it, even in the face of incontestable evidence. :P [16:18] lol [16:18] dartmouth: get a Ten-Tec 320 if you want a decent yet affordable SDR [16:18] ahh, from the actual ap dir [16:18] ok, so what do i gotta do to get setup for broadcasting and receiving radio with as little expense as possible. [16:18] the 320 is a ncie litle SDR - get the 320D of possible [16:18] some of those SDR receivers are expensive as hell [16:18] (i have a zero dollar budget) [16:19] broadcvasting is a %TOTALLY different matter :) [16:19] flexradio? [16:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Nick change: Guest2264 -> Stx [16:19] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] darn [16:20] all this stuff costs money [16:21] what doesn't these days? [16:21] NyteOwl: nothing really. :) [16:21] hardware doesn't cost anything ;) [16:21] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] if you already have it it doesn't. :P [16:22] well yeah thats what i mean [16:22] all i've got is a wifi adapter [16:22] and a computer lol [16:22] dartmouth: start saving up. :p [16:22] no, seriously, CPUs cost almost nothing nowadays [16:22] and a netgear router [16:22] Camarade_Tux: true. [16:22] and I'm not even talking about the ARMs or Freescale you can get for $3 [16:23] (and which are 200MHz) [16:23] but I meant hardware bought from hardware manufacturers, not resellers ;) [16:25] well if I can sell some of the stuff here that I don't use anymore I'll be able to buy more hardware :) [16:25] NyteOwl: have a lot of stuff? [16:26] sdcardgrub (n=sdcardgr@250.Red-79-147-144.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:26] winter__ (n=winter@95.132.244.212) joined ##slackware. [16:26] hello i have Sackware 12.2 and running kde i can press a "go to sleepmode" button and my notebook will do. When i switch to fluxbox theres no effect on pressing it. Can you advice how to make it work? im sorry, i'm a newbie in Linux. Thanks in advance! [16:26] firebird619: yes. I'm cleaning out attic, basement, even the gun safe is getting a housecleaning [16:26] NyteOwl: wow, you could be rich if you sell it all. :) [16:26] cleaning out attic, I thought you were cleaning ./attic/ ;) [16:26] lol [16:26] firebird619: not rich, but it would be a nice sum and give me a bit to play with [16:27] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:27] I'm hoping to get the guns sold soon. they'll bring in the bulk of any revenue [16:27] have any automatics? [16:28] and with my back I can't really hunt anynmore. sneaking through the woods is fun but ... [16:28] got any old double barrel side by side shotguns with external hammers? [16:28] ive got some house cleaning to do [16:28] automatic weapons are prohibited in this country unless you have a special colelctors permit [16:28] where? [16:28] Pig_Pen: as a matter of fact - yes :p [16:28] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Canada [16:28] ah [16:29] you selling ammo? [16:29] you should keep something for home/personal defense [16:29] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.205.228) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] Pig_Pen: that's the police's job (or so we're told) [16:29] uh [16:30] the cops just you disarmed [16:30] chowabunga: just some .22 and surplus .30 [16:30] huh? [16:30] *want [16:30] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:30] yeah, if invaders deside to break in while you are inside by the time the police get there it will be too late, keep that shotgun! [16:30] so only criminals get guns and their budgets increase [16:31] pretty much. we can own guns, just not much you're allowed to do with handguns [16:31] except colelct or target shoot [16:31] self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason for owning a gun in this country [16:32] NyteOwl, where do you live ? [16:32] uh yeah...you can use it for self defense [16:32] it is when some criminal does not care if he kills you while ransaking your home [16:32] Anyway. they are mostly unused so might as well sell them and put the $ towards something I will sue. [16:33] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-205-228.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] remember you don't need guns, policemen can do their job, remember http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13560 ? ;) [16:33] Camarade_Tux: Canada. You *can*use one for self defense but you had better be prepared to defend yourself in court. [16:33] crap, wrong link >< [16:34] that --> http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1241937477252.jpg [16:34] NyteOwl: that's a good thing - IMO [16:34] NyteOwl, I see, French here :) [16:34] NyteOwl: no country needs civilians with guns [16:35] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] thumbs: it is and it isn't. I don't think a person should have to stand trieal for murder if they were protecting themselves and their family [16:35] Heya,folks...How's everyone for {$time_of_day} ? [16:35] thumbs> who is going to protect the people from the police? [16:35] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.39.184) left irc: [16:35] signing up on github, pasting my id_rsa public key, "Key is already taken. All keys must be unique."... :o [16:36] thumbs when only criminals have guns then you have a coutnry of victims [16:36] no country should have nuclear weapons either [16:36] chowabunga: the police does not assault people in Canada [16:36] the average police response time here is 20 minutes. you can be dead in 2 [16:36] thumbs> not yet [16:36] NyteOwl: heck, I don't know how to fire a real gun [16:36] NyteOwl: I might as well throw myself in front of their bullets [16:37] I'm doomed... [16:37] http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19365762/detail.html [16:38] around here he'd have been charged with murder, manslaughter at the least. of course it's just as liekly they'de all have been dead when the police arrived. [16:38] forg0tten (n=me@ip68-10-171-194.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] forgotten (n=me@ip68-10-171-194.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] canada wants to make it illegal to defend yourself in your own home? [16:39] after australia made owning any firearm illegal home invasions went up [16:39] Pig_Pen: it alreaady is effectively. We are also not allowed, peper spray, mace or stun guns [16:40] Pig_Pen, I guess it was only because bad guys had kept theirs [16:40] Pig_Pen: I have a nice homemade jo stick :) I made it from 1 1/8" hardwood dowel :) [16:40] cattle prod [16:41] _ohm (n=mark@pool-71-99-30-84.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:41] i may just buy a black powder pistol like something from the 1800's an old navy colt so i can make my own gunpowder if they make guns and ammo illegal here [16:42] :) [16:42] buy a Gamo Gun [16:42] .177 caliber [16:42] i have a shotgun and a .357 but if ammo goes illegal they might as well be useless [16:42] Hell, even a CO2 rifle/pistol whose velocity exceeds 500 fps is considered a firearm and thus appropriately regualted [16:42] hunt shotgun ? [16:43] how about paintball guns? [16:43] Pig_Pen: you are in a spot where almost all the raw materials are literally below your feet [16:43] the shotgun might handle black powder but i bet that 357 wont take that dirty old powder [16:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] paintball guns are low velocity [16:43] Action: twolf keeps a large stock of ammunition (just in case) [16:43] Pig_Pen: are there frequent home invasions in your area? guns are needed there? [16:43] yup, well sulphur and saltpeter i would have to buy, i can make my own charcoal [16:44] NyteOwl: yeah, I wonder if it would deter the intent of a home invader [16:44] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-208-164.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] i rather be safe than sorry [16:46] that makes sense to me [16:47] sounds like you may all die tonight [16:47] Nah.....I'm good, got my wife flowers today.....I'm safe:) [16:47] lol [16:48] lol hitest ;) [16:48] Zozma_ (n=Winter@d2-231.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] :) [16:48] but seriously, almost nobody is that scared in France [16:55] its not a matter of being scared, its a matter of being able to defend yourself in your own home, you cant expect the police to defend you, besides it is the nature of all governments to usurp power and authority at the expense of the freedomes of its constituant citizens which freedomes i refuse to give up [16:57] the problem is that the easier access to firearms actually overweighs the fact that you can defen yourself [16:57] *defend [16:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:59] if *nobody* had firearms, would you still want one to protect you and your family ? [17:00] and moreover it turns robberings into murders (one side or the other), and you're not actually protecting your family and yourself but your goods, robbers don't care about your life, they care about what you own [17:00] Camarade_Tux: yes, i am not going quietly in to the night when it comes to giving up my firearms [17:00] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:01] where can i confiugure ACPI key button behavior? [17:01] I guess we'll never agree on that point :) [17:01] maybe our children will [17:01] yht (n=yht@114.121.13.84) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:01] exactly! "they dont care about your life" so they will kill you if you are there to present a threat or a witness to the prosecution if you call the cops [17:02] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] where can i find scripts to configure ACPI in Slackware? thanks [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-144.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] or maybe that we agree but we live in two very different worlds [17:03] Camarade_Tux: if *nobody* has weapons in yours, then yes, we do. [17:03] Slackwarer (n=Slackwar@41.252.63.163) left irc: "Leaving." [17:03] winter__: http://rlworkman.net/conf/acpi/ [17:03] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-208-164.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] rworkman: you countin' the one on your ankle? :) [17:04] lee555J5_: that's the emergency one. I start with others. :) [17:04] rworkman, well, some do but it's certainly not the majority of people [17:05] Statistics are great until you become one. [17:05] thnx rworkman [17:05] Camarade_Tux: "majority" depends on the part of the woods you're in ;) [17:05] The chances that *I* will win the lottery are almost zero. The chances that *someone* will win the lottery are one. [17:05] or city [17:06] zmyrgel (n=user@80.221.6.179) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] The probably of *you* being the victim of violent crime might be very low. The probably of *someone* being the victim is 1. [17:06] rworkman: mathematically possible, statistically nil [17:07] Something like that. :) [17:07] rworkman: still waiting on my Japanese/Brazilian beer...you *better* save me one :) [17:08] lee555J5_, not counting hunting guns, I'm sure less than 1% percent of the population has guns [17:08] The point is: if the laws of probability aren't on my side one day, and I find myself in a bad situation, I plan to have means available to extract myself from said situation. I might not be successful, but at least I had the opportunity. [17:09] People occasionally ask me why I carry a gun almost everywhere -- am I expecting a gun fight? [17:09] and usually when there is a murder with a gun, it is with a hunting rifle [17:09] Camarade_Tux: where do you live? [17:09] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Pig_Pen, France [17:09] winter__ (n=winter@95.132.244.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] back [17:09] The answer is "No. If I were expecting a gunfight, I'd be carrying a rifle, shotgun, and a few others. I only carry this handgun just in case one occurs when I'm *not* expecting it" [17:09] yummm spaghetti [17:10] we're not allowed to have guns up here in Canada [17:10] Ah, France. The notion of fighting for *anything* is foreign, right? [17:10] ;-) [17:10] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] hitest LOL [17:10] :) [17:10] rworkman: well unless it's wine ;) [17:10] rworkman, come say that ! =P [17:10] haha [17:11] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-83.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-83.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Anyway, afk for a bit. [17:12] rworkman, why you hating on france? :D [17:13] Action: NyteOwl carries his pocket trebuchet [17:13] heh [17:13] that'd be sick [17:13] NyteOwl: and here we were thinking you were happy to see us :P [17:13] wow, I didn't know they made 'em that small. ;) [17:13] heheh [17:14] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [17:14] NyteOwl, pocket trebuchet would probably go like that : "wait, don't move, I need set up everything" "thanks" [17:14] :) [17:14] lol [17:16] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] jeev: He's not. just playing on some oft-repeated France-not-able/willing-to-defend-itself jokes [17:17] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f6e1cc17795213e) joined ##slackware. [17:17] happened long before we were around to know the whole story [17:17] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left ##slackware. [17:18] France's problem is one of location. Everytime anyone in Europe started fighting it inevitably spills over onto French real estate :) [17:18] speaking of gun, we took my mother shooting for mother's day [17:18] western Europe anyway [17:19] NyteOwl, we owned Europe several times ;-) [17:19] (and lost it as many times ;p ) [17:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--K3X6rptE4 :D [17:19] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Camarade_Tux, where u from ? [17:20] :> [17:20] such is the inevitible destiny of empire :) [17:20] DeeeeP, France :) [17:20] she have fun,antiwire? [17:20] NAPOLEON ! [17:20] lol [17:20] totally [17:20] we did 100 clay pigeons and about 300 rounds with the handguns [17:20] Napolean, Charlemagne, Clovis, [17:20] crap, i dont even have the right packages to run man! [17:20] Actually one of my favorite historical military leaders is from what is now France [17:21] how many of you read "Art of War " ? [17:21] log ago and several times [17:21] s/log/long/ [17:21] DeeeeP: I have [17:21] Vercingetorix [17:21] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [17:22] im buyin it [17:22] it should be required reading for all college computer and business courses [17:22] what about university? [17:22] yes [17:22] college might be a bit too early [17:22] It's a good book. To be read carefully and digested slowly [17:23] and reread periodically as undersanding grows :) [17:23] I guess it depends what the kid takes n college [17:23] I might also recomend the Go No Rin SHo [17:23] (Book of Five Rings) [17:23] good subject,nyteowl [17:23] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Both should be available online [17:25] for free [17:28] Go No Rin SHo http://www.samurai.com/5rings/ art of war http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/132 [17:28] bbl slackers:) [17:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:28] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.113.111) joined ##slackware. [17:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:29] I'm surprised Project Gutenberg doesn't have the Book of Five Rings as well [17:29] i still prefer papel book [17:30] thanks anyway , MLanden [17:30] Winter__ (n=Winter@98-125-99-30.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] suprised as well,nyteowl [17:30] DeeeeP: np [17:30] sorry that should be Go Rin No SHo [17:30] Miyamoto Mushashi [17:31] Musashi [17:31] Action: NyteOwl can't type tonight [17:31] vdvluc_ (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:31] vdvluc_ (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware. [17:33] brb [17:34] Anakin- (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Guess why it isn't in Project Gutenburg's repository would have something to do with the translator [17:36] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:39] i just broke a cat 5 line and now packets are flying all over my apartment. brb gotta go shut off the line [17:40] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:41] night everyone :) [17:41] lol [17:44] "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary [17:44] nini Camarade_Tux [17:44] Action: chopp thinks there was packets flying around the apartment prior to the cat5 failure. [17:44] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] lol [17:45] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] hey guys [17:46] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [17:46] what do you do when your bitbucket is full? [17:46] Zozma_ (n=Winter@d2-231.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-149-254.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] hi compl3x did you get anything installed inside vbox? [17:47] Pig_Pen, yeah I did thanks [= [17:47] Works a charm - was well impressed [17:48] i used it for a while, but i really have no use for it, i can do all i need with slack [17:48] Pig_Pen yeah same - was just interested in trying out freebsd [17:49] freebsd is nice, i just wished wpa_supplicant worked better with my wifi card, and/or freebsd does not support as many wifi cards as they would like users to believe they do [17:50] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.134.28) left irc: "Leaving." [17:50] Pig_Pen, yeah I quite liked it... not quite used to unix however was familiar with quite a bit of it [17:51] Its going on my backup server when i get time [17:51] i wonder how long runs of cat5 ethernet cable do? like 200 feet length from a router to the back room [17:52] it truly is a good learning experience,compl3x [17:52] MLanden, yeah - quite liked the installer also [17:52] i like freebsd, it just does not like my wifi card or i would have it installed and be using it about half the time [17:52] Pig_Pen: gigabit or normal 100mbit? [17:53] the installer is similar to slackware's installer [17:53] 100mbit [17:53] Pig_Pen, I think thats why I liked it :p [17:53] should be fine as long as you terminate well [17:53] I found alot of it to be like slackware actually [17:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] and the hassle of figuring out where to put the cable, do i run it up through the attic? i cant go under the house since it is sitting on a concrete foundation [17:55] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:55] i guess i will wait until i find a good deal on a supported wifi card [17:55] cant go over it , cant go under it - we gotta go through it .. -- haha [17:55] Pig_Pen: attic, as straight as possible and away from power lines and/or fluorescent fixtures if it is possible [17:56] antiwire, will power lines really effect it? :o [17:56] anything that would produce EFIs [17:56] seems to me that the manufacturers of hardware would be more inclined to support non-windows OSs like BSD & Linux [17:56] compl3x: it's not usually a big issue but with his distance i'd try ot do whatever i can to keep the noise down [17:56] antiwire, fair point - i was thinking short distances in my head.. [17:58] compl3x: cat5 specs out to a max distance of 100m or ~320ft so he is within the safe zone and can expect at least working connectivity [17:58] beyond that it doesn't mean it won't work at all but reduced speeds can occur, like seeing the link degrade to 10mbit [17:58] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Pig_Pen: does seem rather archaic for manufacturer's to think in that way [17:59] that and the hassle of deciding where to run the wire, i think i will just wait until i can get a better wifi card that works good [18:00] all the Intel wifi i see at google shopping looks like something you would use in a laptop, (no PCI wifi cards) [18:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.78.54.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[18:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:08] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:11] who runs slackbuilds.org? [18:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] has anyone else run into this using slackpkg + the latest current? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13586 [18:13] antiwire, yes I did [18:14] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [18:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [18:16] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127080 heres a dlink that uses atheros madwifi ath5 [18:16] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-17-99.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:16] compl3x: i just checked the md5's and there doesn't seem to be a problem. did you resolve the issue? [18:17] antiwire, shamefully I ingnored it - I had to leave the house just after i received the error and forgot about it until you just mentioned it [18:17] I continued with the upgrade and it worked fine.. [18:17] Pig_Pen: just a heads up for you, my own personal experiences have led me to understand that getting a card supported by ath9k will leave you with more hair [18:18] compl3x: hmm...time to investigate. gogo gadget investigator [18:18] antiwire, haha [18:19] Pig_Pen: it might not matter for you but ath5k + hostapd + linux wifi stack = mayhem right now [18:19] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [18:19] but ath9k seems to more stable [18:19] to be* [18:19] if you're not looking to setup an AP ever then you can ignore my suggestions [18:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] hmm, ok thanks for the info antiwire [18:20] oh boy oh boy can't wait for dinner [18:21] I setup an ath5k card with hostapd and as soon as my client tried to associate the ap AND the client segfaulted [18:21] no, just one desktop on the far end of the house with wifi, the wireless router handles all the nat [18:21] perfect then you can ignore ;) [18:21] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] whats cookin nix_chix0r ? [18:22] he's making chicken enchiladas from scratch :o [18:22] compl3x: ah ha i see what is happening [18:22] Humm is there a better command to copy a 6.6gb file besides cp? :D [18:22] sounds yummy [18:22] Action: nix_chix0r drools [18:22] compl3x: slackpkg is listing the rpm2tgz .txt file as a package [18:22] Pig_Pen, hes making me sit on the couch and gets my drinks lol i'm not do do anything [18:23] lf4> not really [18:23] cp is as good as it gets, lf4 how fast it copies depends on the read/write speed of your system [18:23] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] cpio or such [18:23] antiwire, hmm [18:23] oh never mind [18:23] lf4: rsync [18:23] good man, you better keep him nix_chix0r [18:23] sounds good lol hopefully this works... [18:24] lf4: what are you copying between? between two different disks or between partitions on the same disk? [18:24] Pig_Pen, thats what my dad says "dont screw it up" [18:24] antiwire: same dir not even different partitions. [18:24] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackpkg-trying-to-upgrade-rpm2tgz-1.0-i486-1.txt-in-current-724859/ <-- there's a solution there. [18:24] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] in that case it's going to suck no matter what method you use but subsequent copies can be sped up by using rsync [18:24] nix_chix0r: you found a good one ;) lol [18:25] rworkman: you're on it. thanks man [18:26] by now i assume that Piter knows [18:26] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [18:26] yep [18:28] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:30] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f6e1cc17795213e) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] huskell (n=frb@p5B0ED3C3.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [18:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] rworkman: sorry, did you get my message regarding php? [18:35] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:37] thumbs: sorry, I saw that and forgot. Either way, no, there's no word from Pat yet [18:37] rworkman: ah, thanks. [18:37] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] rworkman: I guess he must be busy with many things. [18:43] Yes :) [18:43] rworkman: fair enough. I will wait. [18:44] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:45] Action: NyteOwl just made [18:45] Action: NyteOwl just made $ 70 [18:46] NyteOwl: then you owe me 4.85$ in taxes [18:46] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:46] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151064087.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:46] lol [18:47] NyteOwl: and you owe me $75 in protextion money. [18:47] NyteOwl: they tax Internet sales, now. [18:47] heh [18:47] *protection [18:47] I didn't sell it over the net :p [18:47] Action: StevenR sends some hired goons to break down NyteOwl's door [18:47] fellow just bought two pins I had for sale [18:47] NyteOwl: pins? [18:48] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] StevenR: careful - I just finished cleaning the .45 :p [18:48] StevenR: Masonic lapel pins [18:48] Action: lf4 sends his robot dog in on attack mode. [18:48] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:48] cleaning guns is therapeutic [18:49] i wish i had a robot dog like Jimmy Neutron's dog [18:49] NyteOwl: it's ok, the hired goons do an airstrike with naplam and tacnukes first. [18:49] instead of dog poop it drops dry cell batteries :D [18:49] Pig_Pen: haha wow thats funny. [18:50] there goes the $ 70 in flames :) [18:50] wonder what it would drop if it had the runs [18:50] Pig_Pen: my kinda dog :) [18:50] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] battery acid? [18:50] lf4: sterno [18:50] anyone running virtualbox in kde4? [18:51] lf4: button cells [18:52] StevenR: Thats what I was thinking lol it would be more like deer droppings. [18:54] We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us. [18:55] The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. [17]They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us. [18:55] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [18:55] quoting from Scientology handbooks without permission from the copyright holder can land you in court :) [18:56] scientology is lol [18:56] *ology is lol [18:56] haha [18:58] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [18:59] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-17-99.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:59] remember when a group calling themselves "anonymous" was giving them a hard time? they might have some vids up on youtube still [18:59] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Pig_Pen: what 'bout 'em? [19:01] i thought that was cool, i am an atheist, i think all orginized religion is just there to rake in the money from the clueless [19:01] biology is lol? :( [19:01] oh,the scientology folks [19:02] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] Pig_Pen, i'm christian.. armenian, born in iran.. i kinda figure the same thing, all i see is churchy people driving benzo's around.. [19:02] (in LA) [19:02] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:03] uuumm [19:03] that's a pretty broad generalization [19:03] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [19:03] superGear (i=1000@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] jeev do they knock the ones who don't drive benzos [19:04] no, the priests or whatever that is [19:04] the church people, damnit. i dont go to church much other than a funeral or wedding (if i'm dragged there) [19:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA my favorite video on youtube [19:04] Action: NyteOwl wonders where people get the idea that priests take a vow of poverty? [19:04] benzo's? [19:05] i'm talking G-Class [19:05] any recomendations which to use for hexediting? ht or hexedit [19:05] I prefer S class [19:06] superGear (i=1000@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Hakudoshi (i=1000@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] i'm driving a C class right now, 08 550 heh [19:06] i love my friends S550 though, i'm gonna get that next year [19:07] benz are over rated I think. I like audi's [19:07] snobs! [19:07] man the new ones are nice [19:07] are you the dude who was in here a few months ago saying they drive some porsche and are 1337 and have 15 wives? [19:07] man i'm not a snob [19:07] lol no antiwire [19:07] I like S8 just overpriced imo [19:07] i think you are [19:08] i think you're a wacko [19:08] i have a girlfriend.. [19:08] wish i had 15 [19:08] Sally Hand is the name of his GF :O [19:08] lol [19:08] though I'd settle for a BMW 335i [19:09] coupe [19:09] NyteOwl and his H3s [19:09] Rosy Palm and her five sisters? [19:09] bmw 3 series - for those who want to look like a jackass, without the price tag of a jack ass... [19:09] i got 3 older school intel 1u's i have to config and 1 sexy hp dl360 g5.. but i'm lazy. i have to ship tomorrow and i'm watching 30 rock at the office [19:09] :) [19:09] lol [19:09] bmw sucks [19:09] I almost got a BMW 325i but i liked the audi A6 better. [19:10] it's a nice car. Though If I could afford it I'd probably put the money elsewhere [19:10] I say BMW = Big Money Waist [19:10] audi is nice. [19:10] bmw = black mans weenie [19:10] lol [19:10] lf4 : 'waist'? as in the part of your body under your belt? [19:10] the 335i is about the same price as a SHelby sooooo.... [19:10] lol yep ;) [19:10] lol waist [19:11] Action: NyteOwl wishes Toyota would start making the Supra again [19:11] why? [19:11] so we could have more ricer kiddies on the streets [19:11] I rather liked them that's why :) [19:12] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.113.111) left irc: [19:12] call them ricer's all you want but some of those cars are damn nice machines [19:12] _ohm (n=mark@50-196.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:12] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [19:12] ricer is racist ya know [19:12] Hakudoshi : yep [19:12] my friend had a sick ass twin turbo supra [19:12] don't be a racist yo [19:12] he just called me [19:13] it was a 94, crazy fast, 19" in the front, 20's in the back.. [19:13] sakier [19:13] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Hakudoshi : i'm not. i'm making fun of all races who fit the profile of a ricer [19:14] Action: NyteOwl wants a 1974 Mustang Mach1 [19:14] nice car NyteOwl [19:14] yep [19:14] just a smallengine too *cough* [19:15] <_ohm> i have a dell laptop that has a hdd password, how do i remove this password? i can't mount the device to wipe it or write anything to it [19:15] if you forgot the password, call Dell [19:15] _ohm : have you consulted the service manual? [19:15] the 1969 mustang mach1 with the 429 cobra jet engine would be the one to have [19:16] the 74 had the BOSS 429 [19:16] about the same motor [19:16] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [19:16] yup [19:16] <_ohm> ananke, it says to call dell, since we didn't buy this laptop (passed down) they won't give us the password since we aren't the official owner [19:16] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-145-68.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] <_juan> Hi! what file tells slackware which desktop enviroment to use? [19:16] _ohm: if you don't know the ATA security password you will have to guess by starting with the known default passwords for the disk manufacturer. [19:17] _ohm : interesting. how would they know if you didn't buy it from the previous owner? or an auction? [19:17] <_ohm> ananke, the hdd isn't detected from a live cd [19:17] xwmconfig _juan [19:17] _ohm: I have a toshiba laptop here with a BIOS password :) [19:17] Sounds like a bios password [19:17] _ohm: is the HDD encrypted? [19:17] <_juan> thanks Pig_Pen [19:17] There are reset procedures for that.. consult the laptop's manual [19:17] <_ohm> i took out the cmos battery and left it out but that didn't work [19:18] _ohm : have you contacted the previous owner? :) [19:18] yes, there is a difference between a harddisk's ATA security password and a bios disk password [19:18] _juan: ~/.xinitrc, which is written using xwmconfig [19:18] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [19:19] stop stealing laptops with passwords set [19:19] <_juan> thaks thrice` [19:19] <_ohm> I've tried the default passwords, i dont know what the password is, is there anyway i can recover it? [19:19] google [19:19] firebird619: from googling, it seems that folks are having overheating issues with that model [19:19] _ohm: did you contact the original owner? [19:19] _ohm : so what's stopping you from contacting the previous owner? [19:19] firebird619: especially after 2 years [19:20] I almost bricked my Ironeky the first week I used it heh. Fortuantely rememebred the apssword in time [19:20] ananke: If he keeps dancing around that question... tells us at least one thing for sure eh :) [19:20] he won't be able to find the guy from starbucks where he stole it [19:20] just buy a new HDD [19:20] Well, we know he's in Florida [19:21] from a net cafe? [19:21] Start looking for stolen laptop reports :) [19:21] lol [19:21] _ohm (n=mark@50-196.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [19:21] lol [19:21] BAM! [19:21] he left? [19:21] awwww. [19:21] it probably calls home every time he turns it on and gives his location [19:21] So take that DNS/IP.. email it to rr.com's floriday guys.. let them turn that into the cops hehe [19:21] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "installing a few items." [19:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] firebird619: that's probably why the previous owner didn't want it any more. [19:22] Ya know.. I really need to do that with my laptop.. set it up to "phone" home anytime its turned on [19:22] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:22] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] i wonder if there are any free apps for windows that would make it easier [19:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ananke: possibly, but my laptop run openSUSE... [19:23] mail from rc.local :) [19:24] thrice`: yeah.. coudld do that.. [19:24] i do dual boot, as most of our work laptops do. it would be interesting to find a good solution for both platforms [and macosx] [19:24] create phonehome@slackadelic.com and alias that to my real account ;) [19:24] my gf is pretty cool, but she is an apple freak [19:24] other than that, completely normal http://imgur.com/2wQBe.jpg [19:24] heh [19:24] thrice`: configure it to send the S/N.. IP address.. date.. time.. etc etc etc [19:25] she cuts herself? [19:25] chowabunga: does she know what the apple with a bite taken out of it actually symbolizes? [19:25] chowabunga : do you really think anybody will fall for this ancient photo? [19:25] lol, who doesnt [19:25] it's been out on the net for years [19:25] chowabunga: so what does it mean then? [19:25] i never seen that pic before, i would have fell for it except for ananke's comment [19:26] think different! eat frmo the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! women are dumb! snakes rule! satan ROXORZ [19:26] someone set up their laptop to take a picture though the webcam of the user :) [19:26] i see failtroll is back [19:26] http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/images?hl=en&q=apple+cut&btnG=Search+images [19:26] heh [19:27] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@72.252.53.30) joined ##slackware. [19:27] actually. Look up Alan Turing, who he was, and how he died [19:27] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] kitche: good idea. [19:27] woz is an athiest freemason! Blasphemy [19:28] athiest freemason is an oxymoron [19:28] you can verify it [19:28] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:28] don't think you can be both [19:28] like the guy I knew who said he was a "satanic shaman"... the two are mutually exclusive [19:28] then whats going on [19:28] no, to be a mason you have to believe in a diety, regardless of what diety [19:28] people have not ignored chowabunga yet? [19:29] athiests aren't allowed to join the Masons [19:29] kitche: waiting to see if the hammer falls [19:29] nope [19:29] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [19:29] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.108.41) joined ##slackware. [19:29] There are masonic lodges all over the world.. regardless of religious beliefs [19:29] NyteOwl: You a mason by chance? [19:30] i think any religion that says things are going to get better after you die is crazy [19:30] Dominian: my father was. SD [19:30] ah [19:30] I suppose there's such a thing as an atheist ex-mason (quit due to change of belief, or got booted out) [19:30] aye [19:30] more than likely [19:32] then nndb or wikipedia is wrong [19:32] hm, freemasons are the ones who have secret handshakes so they'll recognize each other? How's that work on a text-only medium like IRC? [19:32] it doesn't. there are still ways :) [19:32] heh [19:32] NyteOwl: PM? [19:32] sure [19:32] yall are Masons [19:32] ? [19:32] o_O [19:33] lol @ secret handshakes, sounds like an "our gang" thing [19:33] speculative masons, blue lodge know nothigns :P [19:33] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-149-254.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] Action: Hakudoshi doesn't know what a mason is [19:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] after a while masons get a plaque depending on how long they been in a lodge and such [19:33] its a secret society so anything you say about the higher orders 33 degree and up is a conspriacy theory! [19:33] eh [19:34] Dunno where you get your info chowabunga but you're completely wrong [19:34] oh really, read george washingtons notes [19:34] heh, all I know about masons comes from reading fiction, don't expect me to make any sense [19:34] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] weishaupt took over the freemasonic lodges [19:34] a secret society of secret societies, well documented [19:34] lol [19:34] my uncle was a 32 degree mason, he had all sorts of masonic trinkets, even a gold ring in a plastic pyramid thingy on his fireplace mantle [19:35] Nick change: Jimmen -> Shuren [19:35] hey NyteOwl what is OrdoAbChao [19:35] gesundheit :p [19:36] sounds like a tasty asian dish [19:36] lol [19:36] illumanity? or naughty alumni? [19:36] chowabunga: http://tinyurl.com/qcmyw3 [19:36] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] <_juan> ok, i am about to install kde 4.2 are there any warnings i should know about? [19:37] It's a latin phrase that translates approximately "Order Out of Chaos" [19:37] install all of -current, not just kde [19:37] and what is the hegelian dialectic [19:37] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] kde-4.x? yeah, good luck! [19:38] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-97-31.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Action: kitche will never try to compile kde4 has so many dependencies for a fully working kde [19:38] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5CD5.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [19:38] chowabunga: http://tinyurl.com/qret3t [19:38] kitche: by the time you're done there isn a new versionout :) [19:39] I mean as well all the add on type of things man felt like I was compiling gnome a bit but took longer [19:40] Action: kitche goes back to downloading windows 7 RC to finally test it out [19:40] sucker ;:p [19:41] kitche: I'm running it..and rather dislike it [19:41] EvilMatt (n=matthew@cpe-75-84-167-172.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hello [19:41] is there a program for slackware 12.2 that i can type the name of a program and it will download and install it for me? [19:41] well I m gonna install it to a VM [19:41] netbsd pkgsrc is a good way to build gnome on slack, though it does some annoying things [19:41] I won't be moving from Vista to 7 [19:41] it's Vista, in a less sucky way. [19:41] like the gentoo ports [19:41] straterra, oh yea? is it on the same box as your vista? is it driver's, what? [19:41] EvilMatt: no [19:41] wow, that sucks [19:42] Old_Fogie: Well..for one, my USB sound card doesnt work right (no drivers for it) [19:42] So, I have to use my dying onboard [19:42] straterra: why are you not using XP? [19:42] straterra, ah that makes sense [19:42] Also, I'm noticing some graphics tearing [19:42] thumbs: because Vista runs TONS better on newer hardware [19:42] Action: acidkill steals straterra's beers hahaha =D [19:42] And 64-bit of XP is unstable and horrible [19:42] I have not noticed anything with Vista but UAC that gets a bit annoying for me [19:43] I don't mind UAC [19:43] I rather like Vista [19:43] straterra, assuming those issues got resolved, is there any reason for a vista person to 'upgrade' to 7 or no? [19:43] EvilMatt (n=matthew@cpe-75-84-167-172.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] Decent ipv6 stack..faster..usable 64-bit version [19:43] Old_Fogie: A vista user? No. [19:43] 7 is pretty much Vista [19:43] straterra, ok. [19:43] People claim "ZOMG! it uses as much resources as XP!" [19:43] To which I claim bullshit [19:43] It needs the same hardware as Vista [19:44] I read it was slow on the same netbooks I have,the acer aspire ones. [19:44] straterra: hows your windows 7 run? [19:44] 7 is just Microsoft's move from Vista since most people hate it and have never even tried it [19:44] pupit: fine, stability wise [19:44] straterra: I used it for 30 minutes and hated it [19:45] i didnt used it, i dont like it. [19:45] i win. [19:45] :) [19:45] I tried vista for about a week, for my needs I saw no reason to upgrade so I skipped. I'll do the same for 7, see how it goes from there. [19:45] I like Vista.. [19:45] hopefully more people are getting a clue about computers and dont want to be owned by a corp that is just after as much cabbage as they can pry out of their wallets [19:46] win2k and xp are fine here so far for the windows needs I have [19:46] I can't use 2k..I like it though [19:46] Old_Fogie: yeah. [19:46] well support for xp drops soon and directx 10 will get all the gamers to move [19:46] chowabunga: nah [19:46] <_juan> straterra, why do i have to install all of -current in order to install kde4? [19:46] All the DX10 games will run under DX9 [19:46] _juan: with -current its all or nothing [19:46] chowabunga: no u see, u have a point. [19:46] is it possible to run vista with all the "shiny" stuff turned off, so it looks like windows 95? [19:46] Well if it weren't for gnu/lin I'd probably have 'upgraded' to vista, but having linux, made it easier to say "eh, I think I'll sit this one out" [19:46] _juan: because you either install some of current or none [19:47] Urchlay: yes [19:47] o'rly? [19:47] some or none? :) [19:47] Urchlay> yes more or less [19:47] people colud buy just some game consoles... [19:47] err..all or none [19:47] could* [19:47] Shut up thrice` :P [19:47] pupit: FPS's and RTS's suck on consoles [19:47] Period [19:47] force install of xp tweakui and do the rest throught he menus...explorer is still weird though [19:47] <_juan> ok, i guess ill have to keep on downloading packages.... [19:47] EndWar is pretty good for being a RTS :) [19:47] chowabunga: why force install xptweakui? [19:48] straterra: i do' no',.... [19:48] straterra: I agree... but I know at least a couple people who disagree (Halo III players) [19:48] When..there is a version of tweakui native for vista and 7.. [19:48] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] tried to play halo3, but the controller sucks, miss my mouse + keyboard [19:48] straterra, did they bring back 'msconfig' for 7? I always like that app [19:49] Old_Fogie: It's in Vista and 7 [19:49] aaah msconfig... [19:49] ah good to know [19:49] and autoexec.bat [19:49] explorer.exe? [19:49] haha :D [19:50] 'dosshell' :) [19:50] Vista/7 is nice because you can install over PXE or thumbdrive [19:50] bbl [19:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] and its VERY easy to install from thumbdrive [19:50] Anakin- (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [19:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:50] you move the files, run 2 commands on the thumb drive...done [19:50] maybe with windows 11, it'll be decent. [19:50] Vista is decent, IMO [19:51] I moved from Linux to Vista on my work machine [19:51] I wonder if when it hits the streets, and they throw the activation nag crap in there, if it'll be that easy straterra ? let's hope huh :) [19:51] It's faster now [19:51] straterra: u like those thumb driver dont you? [19:51] pupit: come again? [19:51] drives* [19:51] microsoft is floundering [19:51] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Old_Fogie: I haven't had an issue with activation since XP, to be honest [19:51] chowabunga: riiiiight [19:51] I can't give out linux, and go back to windows. [19:51] chowabunga: Microsoft isn't going anywhere..and they aren't in danger [19:52] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-145-68.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] straterra, I get it on xp alot, between restoring from a ghost, moving a sound card here/there, its' a pain. I hope they change that really it's just a bad route [19:52] Old_Fogie: yeah..i hear ya [19:53] I agree; it should be a one-time check [19:53] it seems every other update on my work XP box requires a new authorization tool chcek [19:53] Seriously though..contrary to popular belief, activating a legal version of windows is easier than cracking it [19:53] I understand why they make you reactive with hardware changes [19:53] especially when I helped friends/family out, for their errors, and I was the one calling MS all the time on the friends/family behalf. that's why I told them to at least try slackware/debian cuz I really just couldnt deal with the activat stuff [19:53] canyouscore (n=canyousc@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] OEM licenses mandate the license die with the computer [19:54] OS X doesn't even ask for a lisence :) [19:54] Prevents just swapping out the components [19:54] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:54] thrice`, yeah man almost once a month a new windows gen advantage tool update, and it's always marked as 'high priorority" [19:54] I don't understand why paying customers let Microsoft treat them like non-paying customers [19:54] or it feels like. [19:54] Yeah..but OS X lacks focus with mouse cursor too.. [19:54] why even put up with activation [19:54] And everything is so...big [19:54] tank-man, it's one of the reasons I skipped vista, and asked my family to stop using windows [19:54] you can always decline the agreement [19:55] thrice`, hey man I got python 2.6 going btw :) [19:55] i didnt, i have not bought a windows OS since win98 was included on desktop systems [19:55] I won't even support my dad's XP installation. [19:55] Action: pupit on #slack about windows :D [19:55] XP is no longer running in this household [19:55] It's all Vista or newer..thank god [19:55] Old_Fogie: nice :) now for xorg ;) [19:55] all linux and OSX here. [19:55] thrice`, yea man! :) [19:56] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] OSX annoys me [19:56] Especially the focus over mouse cursor thing [19:56] computers are supposed to be enjoyable to use, microsoft does not see that because they are too interested in cash flow [19:56] xp is pretty enjoyable [19:56] Unless you want 64-bit.. [19:56] thrice`, actually, I'm rebuilding *all* my repo one more time , start to finish, for the python,autotools, new tar and the xf and I upgraded 'pkgtools' on my 12.1 ; it's still building, about half way now..so probably in a few mour hours then yeah I want to try for X. [19:57] or lots of cpus/cores [19:57] Or ipv6 [19:57] straterra: whats so interesting about w7? [19:57] if you dont make a weak os, then you have no massive shareware market trying to fix your problems and making your os more popular [19:57] pupit: nothing..its vista with a new ui, basically [19:57] blah [19:57] chowabunga: Conspiracy theory much? [19:57] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:57] like if debian was windows...a billion people would be out of jobs [19:57] well as far as developers [19:58] I thank god Windows development isn't like Linux [19:58] Linux changes so rapidly, its a pain in the ass for third party developers [19:58] cuz oss alternatives are free and get better every day, even more with competition [19:58] u believe in god straterra or just saying it? [19:58] I do [19:58] ok [19:58] straterra, there's a reason they say "here's a new version, good luck have fun" [19:58] straterra, re: the breakage I mean [19:58] Yeah... [19:59] if they dont release it buggy, they have no proof that they improve it [19:59] Old_Fogie: this is my lappy: http://rafb.net/p/ULH9KZ23.html :) [19:59] that would require features that customers want [19:59] chowabunga: Do you wear a tinfoil hat? [19:59] i mean, wordpad, and calc.exe are AWESOME [19:59] straterra, that's why I've been slowly backporting what Mr. V does in --current (and from 12.2) to my 12.1 I'm learning a ton tho, and at least I know when something comes in bad/good and can adjust accordingly [19:59] That's cool [20:00] yeah time for me to get to the 'next level' in my knowlege [20:00] thrice`, woh! [20:00] thrice`, how is it all running? [20:00] awesome, actually [20:01] thrice`, now did you work with macavity's scripts for that? or you just did it all on your own? [20:01] no, this isn't slackware, it's crux linux [20:01] offtopic but too awesome, hobbyist made robots fighting, http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/41674 [20:01] thrice`, ah I see [20:02] oh yes I see the pkinfo there, heh, I'm tired pardon me :) [20:02] I've had great luck with the newest xorg, especially on intel [20:03] there is currently a KMS kernel bug for my chipset, so I've turned that off until 2.6.30 [20:03] canyouscore (n=canyousc@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [20:03] I found slack 12.2 intel hit/miss , so I'm afraid of these newer xorg's especially from hearing about fedora, and ubunut in the news [20:03] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-163.lijbrandt.net) left irc: "never push the red button... never... oops..." [20:04] Fedora issues are Fedora issues their patches a lot of times break things [20:04] intel is very much improved. dmesg on -current will even complain about the old xorg ;) [20:05] like I know for a while Fedora had a broken e1000 driver due to a patch it had [20:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] stay away from patch happy distros if you want stability, that means fedora, debian/ubuntu, suse, basically anything deb or rpm [20:05] thumbs: Sorry I didn't see your message sooner, was afk. That could be why, the previous owner heard about that issue and got rid of it. :) [20:05] yeah I never had luck with fed long enuff to get into it. [20:06] Hey Old_Fogie. How are you? [20:06] it's always been a loser distro here [20:06] hey firebird619 [20:06] firebird619: yeah, they needed mobo replacements. [20:06] firebird619: that cooled off my hopes, quite a bit. [20:06] nater_ (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] thumbs: heh, I bet. It'd still be nice to get it at least started though. :) [20:06] firebird619: yeah, I guess [20:07] thumbs: I'm like that anyway. I'm not one to quite until I figure something out, get a problem solved, etc. :) [20:07] s/quite/quit [20:07] fed just runs so slow, I wonder who they even build it for at times [20:07] Old_Fogie: fedora? [20:08] thumbs, yea, I dont have the worlds fastest pc's here, so that's based on my limited hardware [20:08] I've noticed that too, fedora is slow. [20:08] but I can run a bunch of gnu/lin's, bsd's fine, but fedora, even my fastest pc crawls with it [20:08] so much stuff starts up with it, it's like windows. :P [20:09] merp (n=merp@77.sub-75-216-56.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] no, it's like Vista [20:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:09] haha, yeah. [20:09] firebird619, yea and it's all daemon's so you say to yourself, man what are these even for, I dont even know what the names are let alone have the guts to turn em' off [20:10] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] Old_Fogie: you migrated those machines to slack, I presume? [20:10] oh yea for sure [20:10] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] they all have win/slack on them except two boxes, one is netbsd now, the other is debian. [20:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:11] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.108.41) left irc: [20:11] Old_Fogie: yeah, exactly, one time I looked in Sessions and there was a ton of names and all almost cryptic, usually you can tell by the name what something does, but not with that. [20:11] firebird619, yea exactly [20:11] and the distro is so diff each version, the manual don't mean anything from release to release [20:11] turn the wrong one off and the whole thing would probably crash. :P [20:12] yea, if I have to put a linux in a "vm" to learn how to use it, and I've been using bsd for a year and slack and debian for 3-4 years, something is wrong :) [20:12] yeah, there's huge changes between releases, leaves you looking and thinking, oh gosh what have they done now. [20:12] not that I'm some pro mind you, but you get the drift :) [20:12] yes, I do. :) [20:13] now opensuse make sense to me, since you can use the ncurses yast, and zipper is pretty cool, but I'm just not down with the whole 'mono' thing [20:13] Old_Fogie: trying fedora just makes a person realize how nice slack is and it's in a way more simplistic, YOU are in control and there's nothing hidden from you. [20:14] firebird619, yea I feel lost in fed. [20:14] freebsd (as much as people hate it) was easier I found that fed [20:14] I haven't even got freebsd in the vm working, the mouse just will not work. [20:15] I tried freebsd a few years back, it wasn't bad, but I didn't really dig into it either. [20:15] which virtualization are you using? I know it runs in the latest vmware I just did here [20:15] VirtualBox. [20:15] firebird619: did you look in /boot/defaults/loader.conf ? [20:15] the mouse works in cli, but as soon as x starts, it doesn't work at all. [20:15] Pig_Pen: No, I hadn't looked there at all. [20:16] firebird619, ah I havent tried in vbox yet, I'm moving around stuff on hard drives to make space to for netbsd so I had to move my freebsd into virtual for time being, then get my netbsd finished, and get rid of freebsd totaly [20:16] loader.conf has nothing to do with X in freebsd [20:16] and that "AllowEmptyInput" "False" in the serverflags section did not work firebird619 ? [20:17] Old_Fogie: Yeah, I'm on 2.2.2 VBox. I don't know if a different version would make a difference. I even tried just a plain, nothing fancy, corded usb mouse, and that didn't even work. [20:17] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.143.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:17] I had asked in #freebsd too and someone there even said they usually have problems with this type of thing. [20:17] FreeBSD is known not to work well with VBox but the latest VBox fixes some things [20:18] firebird619, I can tell you it works fine in vmware tho fwiw [20:19] I prefer vbox tho, but that box has a windows host, so vmware it is [20:19] I've never used vmware [20:20] it's ok, works better on win host for. but I find a lot of breakage from on version to another, and moving vm's from one machine to another can .. well just bork the entire vm for no reason. other than that it's ok :) [20:20] works better on win host for me i mean [20:21] vbox is great for that, move to diff pc, diff versions, I never borked a vm yet [20:21] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [20:21] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:21] I haven't either with Vbox, it just works very well. [20:22] firebird619, but vmware has really bad forum support (again my findings, experience). you go ask a question, you get "well why dont you buy a support ticket" as the reply [20:22] the doc's are very generic, so it's hit n miss really I find. [20:22] yeah, not helpful at all if that's all they respond with. [20:23] yea the vbox community is great, one guy mailed me some net scripts for debian host. was really cool. [20:23] hey guys, i had these drives in an older system, tg3 = eth0, now i moved it to another system, it's setting it as eth1, how do i set it back as eth0 ? [20:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151064087.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:24] jeev, see /lib/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules file [20:24] look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [20:24] thanks [20:24] antiwire, too slow young blood :) [20:24] as far as i knew the lib/udev should not be touched [20:25] you should do it in /etc/udev [20:25] ahh i see it [20:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] infact, /lib/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules doesn't even exist on my system.... [20:27] no you're right edit files in the /etc one yup [20:27] adriyel (i=akiltali@dynamic-acs-24-144-191-132.zoominternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:28] it' prefixed with 90- when it is in /lib/udev/rules.d/ [20:28] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@70.234.163.245) joined ##slackware. [20:28] PoppaLinux78 (n=PoppaLin@pool-70-17-15-237.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] "As with 12.2, the system udev rules now reside in /lib/udev/rules.d/ instead of /etc/udev/rules.d/ in older versions. There should never be a reason to edit anything in /lib/udev/rules.d/, so if you think you have a case where this is required, either you're wrong or it needs to be addressed in the upstream source. However, you can override default rules by placing one with an identical name inside /etc/udev/rules.d/ The [20:28] rules files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ are still intended to (maybe) be edited as needed by local system administrators, and as such" [20:28] PoppaLinux78 (n=PoppaLin@pool-70-17-15-237.balt.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:28] that's what I get for reading/playing in --current and 12.1 :) confusion, heh [20:28] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@70.234.163.245) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@70.234.163.245) joined ##slackware. [20:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:29] hello hello [20:29] PoppaLinux78 (n=PoppaLin@pool-70-17-15-237.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] :) [20:30] glad to be back on my own PC :D [20:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:31] whats a guy to do... when your whole family uses windblows? [20:31] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.53) joined ##slackware. [20:32] chazbro, tell them you wont support it, I did. it worked for some, not all tho. [20:32] yea... i meant the extended family [20:32] other than ubuntu what would anyone recomend i put on my netbook as a permanent os i perfer redhat but its to large [20:32] chazbro, them too [20:32] PoppaLinux78: are you seriously asking that in this channel? [20:32] PoppaLinux78: slackware [20:33] PoppaLinux78, which netbook? [20:33] dell mini 9 [20:33] PoppaLinux78: slackware [20:33] well on their own PC's... in their own homes... and i come visit [20:33] oh dunno. [20:33] PoppaLinux78: it'll work out of the box. [20:33] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:33] when I throw rocks at seabirds I leave no tern unstoned [20:33] i mean... i get bored on their PC soo fast [20:33] chazbro, for family that's nearby I give em' slack. for family far away I give debian. [20:33] ? [20:34] what does one think the answer will be when one joins a slackware channel and asks which distro to use? [20:34] LOL.. duh... we all use Slackware Linux distro [20:34] BT kthxbai [20:34] mdadm: hot removed /dev/sda1 [20:34] /dev/sda is apparently in use by the system; it's not safe to run badblocks! [20:35] how should i do this? reboot ? [20:35] jeev: unmount it. [20:35] it's a raid 1 set up.. [20:35] /dev/sda isn't mounted.. [20:36] is there a slackware distro that will fit a netbook [20:36] yea it's called slackware [20:36] wow. [20:36] lol [20:36] PoppaLinux78: yes, slackware 12.2 [20:36] heh [20:36] PoppaLinux78: or the older 11.x releases for older machines. [20:36] thnx thumbs [20:36] slack 12.2 on netbooks, (12.1 didnt work for me) [20:37] Old_Fogie: 12.1 didn't have the driver for the NIC :) [20:37] well if you have an arm architecture.... there is armedslack [20:37] Old_Fogie: wasen't slack's fault, the kernel was too old. [20:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:37] thumbs, yea and even after installing, and chroot, and install a new kernel did work for me either. i wonder if it was ethtool to be honest [20:37] cuz I know how to chroot in, and install a new kernel at cli in install cd and that got me booted at least, but still no onboard nic. [20:38] Old_Fogie: I was able to boot, and the first thing I did was compiling a new kernel (from a usb key) [20:38] is it best to full install run from usb or vmware [20:38] i ended up badblocks -n /dev/sda -f [20:38] Old_Fogie: I assume we have similar chipsets. [20:38] thumbs, i have acer aspire one netbooks [20:39] 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) [20:39] Old_Fogie: that's my lspci output. [20:39] badblocks jeev? what is the thing... sata... usb? [20:39] thumbs, no mine is realtek, but not on it now, or I'd give ya the lspci of it [20:39] sata chaz. [20:39] sda / sdb = identical seacrap hard drives.. [20:39] Old_Fogie: odd. [20:39] chazbro: it doesn't matter if it is SATA or USB it is still a block device [20:40] i want tojust check as much as i could before i send it over to the datacenter. [20:40] Old_Fogie: anyhow, the kernel that ships with 12.1 didn't support it. [20:40] just asking... [20:40] cuz internal drives are a pain to remove sometimes [20:40] thumbs, sounds like they made 'new' cheap hardware for these devices that the 12.1 didn't have support for. it kind of makes sense,the netbooks really did "spring up one day" outta no wheres. [20:40] if there are bad blocks, would it report to console? or dmesg/logs or what ? [20:41] bah, i need to go home.. what loser goes to the office on a sunda [20:41] Old_Fogie: this is no cheap netbook :) [20:41] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] sunday [20:41] Old_Fogie: umm what netbooks have been around sicne 1995ish :) [20:41] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "bb in a bit" [20:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:42] netbook [20:42] 95?... lol... that was the beginning of laptops [20:42] Psion netbook 1996 [20:42] course same end result [20:43] the beginning laptops... back then... are the netbooks now [20:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] just now they have wifi and bluetooth [20:43] everytime you say netbooks you owe Psion money [20:43] and much better screens [20:44] who do i make the check out to... LOL [20:44] :P [20:44] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] Hakudoshi: not really since it has to be netBook [20:45] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] thats like saying everytime i use an operating system i owe Micro$oft money [20:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:47] Intel has a very good case against Psion though sicne the USPTO rejected their claim for trademark [20:49] stupid lawsuits [20:50] Action: chazbro goes and gets a refill of tea [20:52] they (my wife's side) wont listen to me... when i tell them about linux at all... their eyes just glaze over [20:53] chazbro, that's the reason I told them I aint doing windows for you no more. [20:53] I didnt get into the whole 'religion' thing, most people can care less [20:54] "here it is dual boot, dont call me if win breaks" [20:54] im seriously thinking about mastering a cd of SLAX [20:54] Will they boot to the linux side,Old_Fogie? [20:54] chazbro, no point to, customize the slackware cd itself it's easy enuff [20:54] MLanden, they do in about 4-6 months I find, cuz the win always breaks. [20:55] Hakudoshi (i=1000@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] what... the slackware cd is just an install cd only [20:55] MLanden, they're all xp or lower tho [20:55] its not a live cd [20:55] MLanden, so they *all* wound up in linux :) [20:55] Old_Fogie: hear ya [20:55] I just let windows convert them, and save me the breath of the whole "RMS" mantra [20:56] really, it sounds harsh, but I told them no! I can't wont, I'm sick of it. fix it yourself, pay for it I dont care. [20:56] they dont come to me with their windows problems... [20:56] they know i dont do Microsoft crapware [20:56] so you just want to convert them? [20:57] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] but im talking that when i go to their house... i have to use their crapware [20:57] and it stinks [20:57] oh then just put puppy on an usb drive and be done with it [20:58] or one of the gazillion linux distro's that run of a thumb drive I say [20:58] i got puppy on a cd [20:58] neva leave home with it...:D [20:58] but isnt SLAX slackware based? [20:58] s/with/without [20:58] yea but based != same [20:59] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-9-174.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] I had good luck with slax as live cd, but not usb [20:59] so are you saying that puppy is closer to slackware than SLAX? [20:59] no just fast as all heck [20:59] i keep a slax usb stick around, also you have to consider not all PCs support booting from usb [20:59] just my taste buds for a usb linux is all [20:59] oh... yeah that makes sense... [21:00] well i dont have a usb drive yet [21:00] Pig_Pen, yup slax is my live cd, puppy is my usb lin [21:00] all i got is cd's [21:01] i like slax loaded to ram sure runs fast after that :D [21:01] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:01] puppy has some nice wifi support too if you need that [21:02] so which is easier to remaster? puppy of SLAX? [21:03] why remaster? not sure what you mean [21:03] forg0tten (n=me@ip68-10-171-194.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] gar0t0 (n=Aimee@189.110.169.251) joined ##slackware. [21:03] you know... when you put what ever apps you want on the cd.. instead of the norm that come with the standard distro [21:04] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) joined ##slackware. [21:04] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@72.252.53.30) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:04] hello all [21:04] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:04] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:04] well, if your primary distro is slackware (which mine is) yea slax is easier for sure. but puppy's not too far off tho. I find puppy easier to save sessions then slax tho. it's kind of a mix bag. [21:05] that way it will be like my home PC... even though im not on my home PC [21:05] yea i use Slackware exclusively on MY PC [21:05] try em both then :) [21:06] most likely you'll find slax more at home [21:06] tho [21:06] "at home" [21:06] hi I read all about the package managers like slapt-get or swaret but I don't get one thing - do they cooperate with the native Slackware package system ? I mean to they look at /log/packages ? [21:06] paul424: don't use swaret [21:07] paul424: see slackpkg [21:07] paul424, swaret is no longer developed so dont use that [21:07] or sbopkg [21:07] how about slapt-get ? [21:07] paul424: nope. [21:07] paul424: don't use that. [21:07] paul424: slapt-get is fine... if you know what you are doing [21:07] chazbro, ++ [21:08] but dont use any of the non-official sources [21:09] if you use slapt-get use only an official mirror [21:09] new users should use pkgtools and upgrade by hand I believe, in time , a year or so, then you can use the tools that make life easier I say (cuz they all will bite ya in the butt if not careful) [21:09] all those mirrors from linuxpackages... are terrible [21:09] chazbro: thx, does it cooperate with the installpkg ? for example does it adds anything into /logs/packages ? [21:09] paul424: yes [21:10] yes .. slapt-get does use installpkg and updatepkg.. [21:10] when i say official mirror i mean one listted at slackware's website, osuosl is good tds is good too [21:10] paul424, but remember it's not a true debian apt-clone. it's not as powerfule as apt-get, so dont think it is for one minute ok :) [21:10] Old_Fogie: ok ;) [21:10] yeah.. really expect you to learn slackpkg [21:10] and stay with official sources [21:11] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:11] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.106.68) joined ##slackware. [21:11] paul424: do this: $man slackpkg [21:11] paul424, you'll get really messed up if you (a) upgrade from one release of slack to another (b) upgrade some core things (c) some packages names aren't recognized (links in slack 12.1 get's missed as it has 'pre' in name) (d) when you mix repo's [21:11] paul424, that's my take on slapt-get [21:13] paul424, I made my own slapt-repo, and my repo 'overrides' slackware's official repo. I dont go outside the two repo's. If there are errors' it's my fault. that's really about as advanced as slapt-get gets. as far as dep handling, that's only as good as I put in the slack required file. if I mess up that file, slapt-get does too. you digg? [21:13] i also use slackbuilds for some installs [21:13] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] or just install from source [21:14] old tried and true works great [21:14] paul424, but since I build all these apps, I know what they really need, and I have some 'bash foo' as well, again, it's not as good as debian's apt-get, but it's still of value I believe, but _not_ for a new user [21:14] if you want dependency checks, you should look at another distro [21:15] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:15] {Repelex} (n=STRESSAD@201.22.170.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:15] ./configure --help; ./configure [and options]; make; su; make install [21:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:16] make install just asks for problems in the future [21:16] or make install DESTDIR= (so _nothing_ can go in / ) then su and chown accordingly :) [21:17] normally i use ./configure --prefix=/usr [21:17] plus other options [21:17] but thats my personal taste [21:18] i dont like /usr/local [21:18] chazbro : and how do you uninstall/upgrade said software? [21:18] make install is just dangerous [21:18] well, a bad idea [21:18] make uninstall; then redo the previous steps [21:18] you keep every source directory around ? [21:19] yep [21:19] not all make files come with "uninstall" [21:19] mixing distro software with your own, in the same tree, without any tracking = disaster waiting to happen. not to mention it's hard to maintain it in the long run [21:19] well if i want a app i go get it [21:19] wnd of story [21:19] end* [21:19] make install, I've seen that blow out perm's on top level folders at times too [21:19] chazbro : it's not about getting that app [21:20] it's just madness [21:20] it works for me [21:20] chazbro : how long have you had that slackware installation? [21:20] this one.. not very long... about a couple months now [21:20] had 12.0 for a few years [21:21] and you've been using that technique all along? scary. ohh well, we've done our part, and informed you about the risks. [21:21] drive went south... had to replace it... wasnt pretty [21:21] neither is the south :) [21:21] Action: Old_Fogie hides [21:21] xdoctor_ (n=avs@201.78.97.126) joined ##slackware. [21:21] lol... oklahoma is a lil pretty [21:22] I'm a bleeding edge free software glutton, so yea buildscripts for me all the way [21:22] Old_Fogie: to parse the sentences with many "as ..... as " as I am non native english speaker take some time, but thanks for the info [21:23] paul424, ok your welcome. [21:23] paul424 : translation: you're welcome [21:23] it would be nice if lynx or links showed pictures in the console [21:23] dvidc look at links -g [21:23] ok [21:24] it cannot open /dev/svga [21:24] do you mean in a 'terminal' or in 'console' ? [21:24] 'is svgalib_helper loaded?' [21:24] I meant either [21:24] I should have said terminal, since I ran it in kde's terminal [21:24] oh in console use --driver fb ( check the man page I forget the syntax) [21:25] links -g --driver fb iirc [21:25] but I get the same error on pure console [21:25] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-9-174.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] $man links [21:25] oops :D [21:25] heh [21:25] yea it wont show in terminal, as X is using the display. but in console, links will look like a regular browser [21:25] I do not have a fb compiled in right now [21:26] it sounds awesome though [21:26] I do not know what the standard kernel video driver is [21:27] "This option works only if --enable-graphics was given to ./configure." --according to man page [21:27] SVGAlib consoles should replace KDE [21:27] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:28] chazbro, it is http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/n/links/links.SlackBuild [21:28] links comes with Slackware though [21:28] I use htmlview [21:28] :) [21:28] Action: Old_Fogie hides [21:31] sweet! i got it going graphical [21:31] totally awesome [21:32] yup [21:32] :D :D :D happy happy joy joy [21:32] with the Slackbuild? [21:32] no with a good kernel d4vidc :) [21:33] why'd you take the fb out of your kernel? [21:33] I am just using the standard kernel [21:33] it works there [21:33] not a day goes by.. that linux (esp. Slackware) doesnt amaze me [21:33] maybe it would be /dev/mga then (for mga) [21:34] d4vidc, are you using vga=normal? that may be why [21:34] I am using vga=ask. [21:35] ah yea ok [21:35] which video card you have? [21:35] Matrox G450 [21:35] can it handle any of the vga=7XX [21:36] probably, but I would have to check what those are. [21:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [21:36] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:36] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [21:37] lol.. i have a matrox G200 agp.. and it works for me [21:37] you can have multiple lilo sections for the same kernel, but diff title, and add append = " vga=771" in one of them that duplicates your current [21:37] actually I am still using vga=normal; I was thinking of re-compiling the kernel before I changed it back to vga=ask. [21:38] but if it automatically loads fb then there is not much reason to do that soon. [21:39] about my question earlier... running a live cd slack-based .... has anybody heard anything good about Vector? [21:39] well the stock kernel from slackware doesnt need a recompile for vga=normal, or ask or whatever, it's just a line in lilo. or in the append field in lilo. you can even tell lilo to bring up the specific framebuffer for your card (if there is one) [21:40] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.106.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:42] chazbro, I stopped using/following vector when I learned of it's closed source, anti help slackware and pro knock slackware in blogosphere. maybe things changed, but they dont even enter my mind any more. [21:42] omg i just saw that antiwire was using mIRC.... isnt that a windows only app? [21:43] quit messages can be anything you want them to be. [21:43] who would even want to claim that? [21:44] so I would just typ something lika 'vga=mga' or 'vga=nv' in lilo.conf and it would aotomatically load? [21:44] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [21:45] still here [21:45] d4vidc: No, you'd use like vga=ask, vga=normal, or vga=###, ### being the number that represents a certain resolution for your monitor. [21:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [21:46] d4vidc, see the file /usr/src/linux-YOUR-KERN-VERSION/Documentation/fb/matroxfb.txt [21:46] oh yeah, the fb would have to go on another part of the kernel options [21:46] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] welp, bed time for bonzo. nite nite all. [21:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:47] PoppaLinux78: you still need something? [21:48] you are welcome to stay and chat... but you should know that ubuntu linux is NOT slackware linux [21:48] they are both linux [21:48] but there is a ton of differences between the two [21:50] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [21:53] dang... conversation just died right there [21:53] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.104.40) joined ##slackware. [21:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-71-57.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] I guess I am going to have to reboot to try links -g. [21:58] why? [21:59] nater_ (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] I have no /dev/fb* [21:59] and I would rather keep the channel windows open [21:59] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [22:01] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] Why is there a /usr/doc and /usr/local/share/doc? Should not all docs be in the same place? There are so many in /usr/doc anyway that local stuff is not going to make a difference. [22:04] so you can install apps to /usr/local? [22:05] did you build something and it install to /usr/local? look in /usr/local/bin and tell us what you see [22:06] BOINC/ blender/ cabextract* lame* skype/ wine/ [22:06] *fearz* [22:06] I already knew I installed stuff there, but docs in one place would be more reasonable [22:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] not necessarily, if you did not specify --prefix=/usr most packages will default to /usr/local [22:07] d4vidc: lets put all binaries and libraries in one place as well? [22:08] dont start moving stuff around, your break it [22:08] yay for OSs that don't support directories [22:08] you'll break it but just moving it [22:08] binaries and libraries have their places, but sometimes one may wish to just read through lots of docs. [22:09] I used to put them in usr/doc before I noticed the docs have Makefiles [22:09] gar0t0 (n=Aimee@189.110.169.251) left irc: "rah" [22:11] I installed 2/3 everything in my /usr/local by hand [22:11] would it be a problem if I ran the oo.org slackbuild for 12.2 on my 12.1 machine? [22:13] probably not aceofspades19 [22:13] you could just try it, but you know there is a package for it, right? [22:13] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:14] bbl [22:14] what does that slackbuild do? does it just run rpm2tgz on precompiled binaries? then install them? [22:14] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/openoffice.org/ [22:14] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [22:14] xdoctor_ (n=avs@201.78.97.126) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] where is this package for openoffice? [22:15] aceofspades19: it's fine [22:16] ok [22:17] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "switching computers òó" [22:18] you know openoffice-3.0.1 is a slightly older version, 3.1 is the current release [22:18] oh, I thought they were the same for some reason [22:18] Pig_Pen: rpm2cpio actually. [22:18] ya, i see that [22:19] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/office/openoffice.org/openoffice.org.SlackBuild looking at it now [22:20] man the google chrome commericals are a bit lame looking seen one on tv today I seen it ont he internet yesterday but finally seen it on tv [22:20] the ms commercials are the lamest [22:21] "I'm a pc" [22:22] and the guy who play the mac is in a horror flic for this summer [22:22] MLanden: your point he was an actor before teh commericals :) [22:22] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.104.40) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] I was talking about the ms ones where everyone says "I'm so and so and I'm a pc" [22:23] aceofspades19: umm think the buy a pc under 1000 bucks and keep the rest is a bit lame mainly [22:23] true,kitche...like his character in Idiocracy [22:24] meant to say..I like his character [22:24] I should get to bed soon :) [22:25] but finishing my windows 7 install [22:25] I don't think there are many people that aren't into computers that have ever used a computer thats not a 'personal computer' [22:25] sleepytime, laters [22:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] how's the installation coming along,kitche? [22:27] finished already just doing the final steps after the first boot [22:28] sounds great,kitche [22:28] Action: lee555J5 is using it right now using putty to my slack box :) [22:29] Action: lee555J5 ducks [22:29] I already notice that Vista stuff and I have not even booted it up fully really all windwos 7 is it's a tad bit like XP is to 2000 just a tad little bit [22:29] how long should badblocks -n take on a 500gig drive ? [22:32] 300 years. [22:32] lol [22:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [22:35] okey 5years. [22:35] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: [22:36] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [22:36] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@70.234.163.245) left ##slackware. [22:36] har har har [22:36] hitest: Did you get the new version of src2pkg? [22:37] yes, I did [22:37] Have you done any work with it yet? [22:38] had an error during install for some reason tho. probably didn't upgrade it properly. I removed the old version and helper libraries and then installed the new version [22:39] What kind of error did you get? Did you fix it? Did you report it to Gilbert? [22:40] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:40] I'll try again in a bit by trying to just run # upgradepkg. didn't report it yet. I'll let you know if I can upgrade it [22:40] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] Even if you do/did fix it, you still need to report it to Gilbert. [22:42] I've had an installation error also. But we weren't sure if it was because of my configuration or not. [22:42] So hearing that you have a problem also, may make it easier to fix this. [22:43] Send Gilbert any terminal output you have from your installation attempts. [22:43] okay. just a sec. be back in awhile will let you know:) [22:44] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] ok [22:46] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-141-119.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] okay. doing #installpkg of the newest src2pkg on one of my slackware boxes that didn't have src2pkg. we will see how that goes. [22:49] Does anyone use, or know where to find hwinfo? I've been googling a bit and don't seem to find it, at least not for linux anyway, but I know it's available. [22:49] sysinfo? [22:50] chowabunga: I was reading this guide: http://aligunduz.org/blog/2009/05/getting-maximum-framebuffer-resolution/. Is sysinfo in slackware? [22:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] or is there something in slackware that does the same as that guide. I was reading that this hwinfo shows more than what some other things do for available resolutions. [22:51] well they say its avaiable so you get it...but you can also just google your video card [22:51] vesa modes [22:52] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Yeah, I could do that too, I was just wondering about this utility. I can't seem to find the page for it, at least for linux. There's ones for windows that I find. [22:53] chowabunga: thanks. [22:53] yeah and debian/ubuntu repos dont list homepage [22:53] friggin idiots [22:53] lol [22:54] PoppaLinux78 (n=PoppaLin@pool-70-17-15-237.balt.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:54] Maybe it's part of another package? [22:55] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@72.252.53.30) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Shingoshi: just ran #upgradepkg and that installed the new version just fine, no errors. [22:57] clean install of new version is finishing [22:57] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-97-31.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] firebird619> yeah cant find it wtffff [22:58] odd [22:58] clean install failed [22:58] I'll send an error report to gilbert [22:58] i got an idea [22:58] chowabunga: a good idea? :p [22:59] http://gentoo-portage.com/AJAX/Ebuild/81564 [22:59] erm [23:00] firebird619> where is the search feature http://packages.gentoo.org/ [23:01] hmm, doesn't seem to be one. [23:01] wtf [23:03] says you get it from suse [23:03] hitest: Let me know what he has to say about this when he writes you back. [23:04] It will be at least 3 hours untils he's up. [23:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Zozma_ (n=Winter@98-125-73-201.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Has anyone managed to set a different background in Pidgin? [23:08] chowabunga: I found hwinfo in suse in a package list, just not a package or anything else yet. [23:09] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.8) joined ##slackware. [23:09] i usually read the kernel source for documentation [23:09] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [23:12] Shingoshi: will do. something just occurred to me. The upgrade went smoothly on a stock 2.6.27 slackware 12.2 system. the clean install failed on a Slackware 12.2 system running a 2.6.29.3 kernel. [23:12] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:12] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [23:12] perhaps unrelated [23:13] worked here on 2.6.29.3 [23:14] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-113.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] omfg starwars holiday edition is ridiculous [23:15] chowabunga: Which version did you install? [23:16] latest [23:16] What's the version number? [23:17] ill check [23:17] If you downloaded it, it's not the latest version! [23:19] oh [23:19] lol [23:19] firebird619> distfiles # ls hwinfo_13.28* [23:19] hwinfo_13.28-1.diff.gz hwinfo_13.28.orig.tar.gz [23:19] Both hitest and I are running development versions. [23:20] how do i get that [23:20] Which package did you think hitest and I was talking about? [23:20] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-141-119.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:21] chowabunga: ^^ [23:21] chowabunga: thanks. [23:21] i got it [23:21] just too lazy to upload lol [23:22] i used emerge --fetchonly hwinfo [23:22] ah you lazy bum. :p I found it on osuosl. :) [23:22] how [23:22] chowabunga: If you were talking about hwinfo, that's not the pkg we were discussing. Wrong conversation. [23:23] did a google for what you put above with distfiles # ls hwinfo_13.28* [23:23] Shingoshi> i know that! [23:23] ok [23:23] firebird619> link? [23:23] Just wanted to be sure, not to confuse hitest. [23:23] Hmm, I guess that's just the diff file, not the orig tarball. http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/?C=S;O=A [23:24] mwuahaha [23:24] foiled again yeee naive [23:24] hey, that's a start. :P [23:24] god thats a slow server too [23:25] even if its a billion files, its slow [23:25] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [23:25] night all:) [23:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] chowabunga: http://www.repositorios.pr.gov.br/debian/pool/main/h/hwinfo/ <--- Whoop there it is. :p [23:26] lolomg [23:27] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] greetings and salutations [23:27] greetings andarius. How are you? [23:28] salutations firebird619. i am well. how are you ? [23:28] andarius: I am very well, thank you. [23:28] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [23:29] fevel_ (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [23:29] tux (n=tux@116.71.219.209) joined ##slackware. [23:29] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] chowabunga: looks like it's just a make and make install for it. I'll maybe make a slackbuild. [23:31] it doesnt compile here [23:31] even with gentoo patches [23:31] kbd.c: In function 'add_serial_console': [23:31] kbd.c:145: error: 'TIOCGDEV' undeclared (first use in this function) [23:32] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:32] hmmm, I'll give it a try here and see what happens. Did you just do make and make install? [23:32] just make clean; make [23:33] ok, I'll give that a try and let you know. [23:33] doesnt work, i know [23:34] ok Mr. Negative. :P [23:34] no im positive [23:34] tux (n=tux@116.71.219.209) left irc: [23:34] lol [23:34] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] :( [23:35] don't ask. :p [23:35] WIN! [23:35] LOSE! [23:35] DRAW!! [23:35] :D [23:35] POOP! [23:36] wotcha andarius :) [23:36] wotcha BP{k} :) [23:36] The Star Wars Holiday Special.mp4 [23:36] chowabunga: lol [23:37] from google video, craps insane... [23:37] then it blasts the cbs all seeing eye logo :p [23:38] had to wiki that....lol....Lumpawarrump [23:41] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=323909610753051544 [23:44] MLanden> http://www.mininova.org/tor/1121922 [23:44] commentary [23:45] pass,chowabunga [23:46] MLanden> puff, puff [23:46] seriously this is project monarch stuff [23:47] its all subconcious suggestion [23:49] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:52] AbizzalsX (i=abizzals@142.179.67.204) joined ##slackware. [23:52] AbizzalsX (i=abizzals@142.179.67.204) left ##slackware. [23:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-113.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:53] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-40.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [23:54] chowabunga: truly is insane,it's up there with Legend of the Superheroes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Zoiq2sBFc [23:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] now,that's so bad it's good..lol [23:57] hehe [23:57] downloading [23:59] when I saw the cantina scene in the Star Wars Holiday Special with the late Bea Arthur. I was thinking of the scene in History Of The World Part I..."Did you bullshit yesterday,did you bullshit today"..lol [00:00] --- Mon May 11 2009