[00:00] I love how i can silence the whole room. [00:00] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] agentc0re, you have skills [00:00] agentc0re: yeah, and all it takes is toe nail removal. [00:00] Mad skills! [00:01] who'd have guessed eh? :P [00:01] hehe :D [00:01] agentc0re: haha, dam don't I wish .. wouldn't mind tasting a homebrew :P [00:02] BP{k}: Ya, would be nice if you lived state side because i could easily ship them then. [00:02] agentc0re: aye, plus I had already someone offer me to ship a stinkload of venison over as well ;) [00:02] wow... [00:03] i'm sure that's easier to ship than alcohol though.. esp. from where i live. [00:03] i bet i'd have to pay nasty beer tax before i shipped it out. [00:03] Well unless it was primed in a keg. :D [00:03] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Connection timed out [00:08] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:11] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] sQuEE (n=narya@host107.201-253-142.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] sQuEE (n=narya@host107.201-253-142.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:14] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] I can't believe that I didn't know about noobfarm until yesterday, that has some good reading [00:19] mfillpot: you realize that statement is noobfarm quality, right? [00:20] agentc0re: go for it, I think that statement shows that I've been trying real hard to ignore the stupid crap for all of these years [00:22] that's easy in irrsi, just issue /ignore ##slackware ALL -STUPID -CRAP [00:22] straterra: Wow.. How did i end up on jeev's fag list before you? Does this mean cage match? ;) Anyhoot.. When some dumb fuck like that says something like that to anyone i think they need to be banned.... I thought you knew people in high places that can achieve such things. http://noobfarm.org/?id=1730 [00:23] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:23] any way to install the qt 3 libs on slack 13 for compatibility with a program i want? [00:24] kde3-compat [00:24] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:24] nyRednek: it is in the extras folder [00:24] fire|bird, is that a slackbuild? a pasture pkg? an extra/? [00:24] mfillpot, thanks [00:25] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:25] wait... is spook.. gay now? http://noobfarm.org/?id=1735 [00:25] :P [00:26] huh. [00:27] Dominian: apparently that problem I have with noobfarm.org not resolving is specific to firefox. lynx appears to load the page fine. [00:27] why the hell would this matter? [00:28] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] lol. http://noobfarm.org/?id=1738 [00:28] bah [00:29] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) got netsplit. [00:29] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [00:29] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) got netsplit. [00:29] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) got netsplit. [00:29] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) got netsplit. [00:29] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) got netsplit. [00:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) got netsplit. [00:29] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) got netsplit. [00:29] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) got netsplit. [00:29] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) got netsplit. [00:29] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) got netsplit. [00:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit. [00:29] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) got netsplit. [00:29] Action: Dominian dehilights noobfarm [00:29] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [00:29] agentc0re: I caught that one when I logged in tonight [00:29] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [00:30] i love the thought of someone using a totally different OS coming in here asking for help because their community can't help them. Then they get all pissed when we wont and say OUR community is shit. [00:30] how ironic is that? [00:30] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-tdaghzanrrozybue) joined ##slackware. [00:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.111.39) joined ##slackware. [00:31] ok, quite [00:31] agentc0re: dude, are you on the rag/ [00:31] ? [00:31] jail (n=jail@189.6.147.229) left irc: Client Quit [00:31] cyborg-one (n=iceknigh@nas-12-112.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:31] it's a constant that they come in and get mad because we won't help them with their chosen OSs [00:31] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [00:32] I love this one, and I hope it's not true http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1418 [00:32] godling: .. WTF? If i could, i'd strangle you with my "bloody" rag right now. GTFO. [00:32] agentc0re: so that's a yes? [00:33] ah, nice family-friendly evening entertainment. [00:33] godling: no idea where you're pulling that idea out. [00:33] for real [00:33] or morning, for those who are so inclined. [00:33] agentc0re: 21:23, your comment about jeev. [00:33] cyborg-one (n=iceknigh@nas-12-112.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] fire|bird, mfillpot, thanks...i was getting really frustrated with rosegarden [00:33] godling: Ah, so you're a jeev lover. [00:34] no [00:34] jeev: maybe jeev himself in disguise? [00:34] I just noticed you bitching about a lot of stuff. [00:34] nyRednek: I'm always happy to help [00:34] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] I always wonder about this .. people say were elitist assholes .. and I can't help wonder why this is supposedly a bad thing. [00:34] agentc0re: I've been around this network way longer than jeev. [00:34] mfillpot, one of the last applications i use to be qt3 specific [00:35] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) got lost in the net-split. [00:35] BP{k}: we just want things done right, that's all. Don't know how that falls under "elitism".. [00:35] BP{k}: it is a good thing, we earned the right to be elitists because we can solve our own problems [00:35] except when i ask stupid questions that i've already answered before [00:35] godling: well lets pull out the time line, i'm better than you because i've been around longer, bs line shall we? [00:35] although you and jeev both registered accounts at around the same time, so maybe it is you who is really jeev in disguise. [00:35] Action: agentc0re hasn't been around very long [00:36] That wasn't my implication. [00:36] (10:32:38 PM) godling: agentc0re: I've been around this network way longer than jeev. [00:36] that says other wise. [00:36] No, that says that I've been around way longer than jeev. [00:36] How you read into depends entirely upon your disposition. [00:36] *into it [00:36] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [00:37] Okay, so you just said that with out trying to make a point? It was just said for all good common wealth of knowledge? [00:37] Thanks godling. [00:37] No, you said I might be jeev in disguise. [00:37] agentc0re: How does this splinter removal compare to your toe nail removal? :P http://imgur.com/q9WLT.jpg [00:38] fire|bird: looks like i need to post up some of my pictures. :P [00:38] fire|bird: standby for a PM. [00:39] that's one hell of a splinter [00:39] yeah, a very nasty splinter [00:40] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:40] that's not a splinter, that's a dagger made from wood :P [00:40] That's no splinter.... [00:40] haha [00:41] you could kill a vampire with that [00:42] (providing they actually existed to be killed in the first place, natch) [00:42] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [00:43] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [00:43] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] nah, too small for a vampire. we had a large piece of wood that went into the back of our radio operators ear when we were in iraq. [00:45] that thing was huge. [00:45] base was at least an inch diameter. but very sharp tip like that picture. [00:46] we all laughed at him because when he talked, it bounced up and down vigorously. :P [00:46] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [00:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:47] agentc0re: see any cool explosions over there? [00:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] godling: ...cool explosions? [00:51] Big explosions. The kind of stuff you can't see at Independence Day celebrations. [00:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:51] if you mean the kind that killed people, yes. [00:51] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-226-49.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving." [00:53] That was unintended. [00:54] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-226-49.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] wb agentc0re :) [00:54] thanks [00:54] noticed that my sound doesn't work if i am running quite a few applications for a long period of time. [00:55] Interesting. [00:55] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-4579afa2.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] so i have just restart everything and then audio works again (with mplayer, xine, dragon). Always works with flash... go figure right? [00:55] maybe it's your ears [00:55] 64-bit wine is an adventure [00:56] mancha: could have been but i had those tested two weeks ago and i'm fine. :P [00:56] heh, rm -rf earwax ? [00:57] :) [00:59] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:00] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] test34 (n=test34@c-69-244-245-20.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] I wonder how many [ex-]military personnel are in ##Slackware. [01:07] quite some. [01:07] nater1 (n=Owner@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] at least one [01:08] I wonder how many [ex-]FBI operatives are in ##Slackware. [01:08] Action: godling waits. [01:09] lol [01:10] Nick change: nater1 -> nater [01:10] Yeah, They are cool and all-knowing...except for that one day about 8 years ago [01:11] Krux0: Which? [01:11] Also, who are they? [01:11] FBI [01:12] does anyone know a stock ticker application? [01:12] that is gtk based [01:12] Not personally. [01:12] Well I'm sure the FBI couldn't be everywhere checking everything at once. [01:12] msg nickserv register h@h6@7ch@ notonlyme@gmail.com [01:12] I knew a news ticker application but he was a real asshole. [01:12] mrselfpwn: OOPS [01:12] mrselfpwn: Uh Oh [01:13] mrselfpwn: you know that once you're registered you actually just need to identify with nickserv, right? [01:13] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [01:13] read the password [01:13] what kind of ugly password is that? [01:14] godling, how can a news ticker application be an asshole? [01:14] Krux0: try this,can't vouch for it,looks decent tho http://www.grism.org/ [01:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] Krux0: How can it not? [01:15] only alternative stock app is java [01:15] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-66.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Hey Rat409 [01:16] mrselfpwn: hath6at7chat [01:16] mrselfpwn: is that funny? [01:16] i meant to put a 0 ifor the 2nd @ symbol [01:16] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-tdaghzanrrozybue) left irc: "Page closed" [01:16] you failed [01:16] :) [01:16] godling, well it's application, not a body cavity [01:17] firedix (n=firedix@host195.201-252-177.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] W|GGL|T (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [01:17] mancha: using non-alphanumeric characters in a password is not ugly. it is more secure. [01:17] yeah pretty fail [01:17] hey fire|bird [01:17] what i get for listening to other people. [01:17] Rat409: How's it going? [01:17] :) [01:18] fire|bird: boring but good thanks [01:18] Rat409, looks good, just what I'm looking for [01:18] supposed to say; hahgotcha [01:18] hath607chat [01:18] I still don't get it mrselfpwn [01:18] ah [01:18] sorry, typed that too slow [01:18] lol [01:18] yban (i=1001@82.114.188.37) joined ##slackware. [01:18] heh [01:19] yeah, i wasted a perfectly good password. ^^ [01:19] Hi All .. no-sound on my slackware13 my sound card built-in ALC888 [01:20] that's not really too great [01:20] not in length no [01:20] realtek ALC888 .. how can I fix it ? many thkx [01:20] way i see it; who is really gonna want mrselfpwn?? [01:20] let's see if multilib will work in compiling wine [01:21] TR14dE~JI3 [01:21] yban, upgrade to the latest kernel and see if they finally supported it. Chances are they do. [01:21] that's a decent password [01:21] not bad [01:21] JTF6L'P0 gcc -m32 doesn't SEEM to be chokng [01:21] unless you run windows [01:21] I wrote a python script to generate them [01:22] Krux : thnks .. u main 2.6.31? [01:22] i have a really good one for my root [01:22] i had an ALC on my m-atx board and it had a similar chipset that wasn't supported by the obsolete version of the kernel i had running [01:22] over 14 characters and scores like 98% on the "good" password tester online. [01:22] mrselfpwn: why is that a bad password for windows? [01:22] www.kernel.org [01:23] it's not a filename so it should be fine, right? [01:23] anything less than 15 characters is stored in SAM godling [01:23] "in case" you want to revert to a previous windows version. hahah [01:24] mrselfpwn, what about one that has more than 15 charaters [01:24] mrselfpwn: I didn't know that. [01:24] s/charaters/characters [01:24] it can't be stored because the max is 14 characters [01:24] then it's segmented [01:24] yban try realtek.com >drivers ? [01:24] segmented, but still stored? [01:24] weak [01:24] nope [01:25] not sure 100% though [01:25] so if it segmented in which files? [01:25] it's ok, I'm already googling it [01:25] or file [01:25] pretty sure it doesn't it store it period though after that amount [01:25] the SAM is where it is stored Krux0 [01:25] anything over that amount you will need rainbow tables for. [01:26] I just wanted to show off the output of my script, though. :D [01:26] i see [01:26] I used filter, lambda, and map :D [01:26] ole is finished [01:26] still crackable though none the less but what isn't? [01:27] what? [01:27] adding a $dollar sign to your essid makes it almost impossible for modern wpa crack methods to be used on you. [01:27] godling, what codec are you using? [01:27] mrself, huh? [01:28] Krux0: codec? [01:28] mancho, the methods of cracking wpa [01:28] using certain tools [01:28] nvm, thought you were talking about something else [01:28] what does your script do exactly? [01:29] generate random passwords [01:29] mrself, what other algo aside from brute force do you know of? [01:29] godling, can i see it? [01:30] well, it's a form of brute force though more focused because the algorythm is more exposed now. [01:30] godling, I wrote one to rip dvds into H.264 but the quality is bothering me. Trying to get the size below 800megs [01:30] mancha: i'm not 100% about _how_ exactly it's done. [01:31] is there an official slackware pastebin? [01:31] not that i know of [01:31] since acidrip dev has pretty much abandoned his project. I was thinking about writing one for python called acidripy [01:31] mancha: but it uses the updated cowpatty for one [01:31] Krux0: there are tradeoffs between size and quality [01:31] mancha: they recently updated to allow for these types of advances [01:31] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [01:31] mrself, those are rainbow table approaches [01:32] you know what i'm referring to then? [01:32] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] no, but i am a bit familiar with cowpatty [01:33] i guess what i mean is is this a new weakness discoveredf in wpa or merely dictionary attacks? [01:33] yes, they released a new one lately. it's more capable in combination with other tools now. [01:34] nothing is secure, indefinitely [01:34] and it works from how they generate the wpa keys [01:34] i don't understand what you mean [01:34] any router with default essid is crackable obvously. [01:35] the essid has to do with the wpa key [01:35] huh [01:35] yes [01:35] Krux0: http://pastebin.com/d5ac5f6d4 [01:35] there is my script [01:35] I call it pwgen.py [01:35] obviously you can call it whatever you'd like [01:35] mrself, how do you mean? [01:36] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn64.91-127-209.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:36] thanks, godling [01:37] ok, to make sure we're on the same page, by essid you mean teh "name" of the ap, right? [01:37] johndee (n=id@93-81-140-161.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:37] mancha: i don't know all technicalities, though because it's been a little bit (couple of months) and i didn't research much farther [01:37] yes mancha [01:37] how does keeping the default essid, say, cheapo-netgear, makes it "crackable" [01:37] i can grab a link if you like [01:37] mancha is moody [01:38] let me dig it up. one sec [01:38] maybe mancha is on the rag [01:38] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [01:38] lol [01:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] mrself, the only thing i can imagine is folk have made a HUGE table of psk's using the default names as hashes [01:39] nice, but i thought python wasn't supposed to be cryptic :-P [01:39] Action: mancha notices that godling has developed a very noticeable infatuation with me...it's cute [01:39] Krux0: it isn't [01:40] mancha: you should see my wall of mancha [01:40] mancha: yes i think that is exactly what happened [01:40] well, to the non-python programmer it is. I just began reading a book about it. [01:40] mrself, that could be, it's still a dict attack, just that there are pre-computed tables for the usual "essid" ascii names [01:40] faceplant (n=fenston@c-76-103-146-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] 1 sec, let me get the info. so you can see. :) [01:41] mancha: I have logs of your IRC quotes taped to the ceiling above my bed. [01:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:41] godling, whatever makes you happy. godspeed [01:42] basically it's because only the first 2 frames are required [01:42] People who lack senses of humor live significantly degraded lives, mancha. FYI. [01:42] http://www.darrenkitchen.net/cracking-wpa-with-cowpatty-45 [01:42] yban (i=1001@82.114.188.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:43] mrself, thanks for the link, going now [01:43] that's the right direction anyway mancha [01:43] there is actually a video that shows you how if you look deeper. ^^ [01:44] that probably requires flash, and flash is as verboten as windows for me :) [01:44] you are actually impersonating the AP [01:44] because only 2 handshakes are requred [01:44] required [01:45] http://www.willhackforsushi.com/?p=284 [01:45] aha, so its a mix of being a honeypot for clients and then ssid specific tables [01:46] yes [01:46] not really crackin wpa, per se, but making the brute force attack more efficient [01:46] exactly [01:46] which in turn helps you accomplish the mission. XD [01:46] i got worried when i saw you use "crack wpa" since i always associuate that to cracking the encryption algo [01:47] but your point is a good one, keeping the factory essid's makes the bad person's job easier. [01:47] mancha: here is the video. finally found it; [01:47] http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-518 [01:48] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-122-64-135.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [01:48] it's long just need to skip ahead if you aren't interested in the rest. [01:49] they have a good show though so it's nice entertainment too. :) [01:49] i'll skip the vid :) i prefer talking about things like that with people like you. plus it's prolly flash [01:49] mancha: mp4, xvid, wmv [01:50] so much for prejudices :P [01:50] lol [01:50] yeah, like i want to protect my 1999 wifi connection but since i don't use flash that is as far as i gol. [01:51] go* [01:51] just poking at you mancha :) [01:51] be careful, mancha hasn't got a sense of humor [01:51] he's probably got a list, though [01:51] lol [01:51] lmao [01:51] poke away [01:52] actually i understand mancha in some weird extraterestrial way. [01:52] man, back in my day people actually had to work to crack/hack stuff. [01:53] lol [01:54] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-4579afa2.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] the host of this video is a tool [01:54] cool, with nickcolor godling is red mancha is blue and I am white. [01:54] adeodatus (n=rm@92.82.93.60) joined ##slackware. [01:55] gee [01:55] :P [01:55] yeah he is godling, though likable [01:55] I think one of my partitions may have major hard disk or partition errors. How can I do a thorough check for those? [01:55] i hang out in their irc and talk with them from time to time. [01:55] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:56] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] very patriotic [01:56] :) [01:56] slackweird (n=acolyte@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [01:56] it is a good show [01:56] check it out sometime [01:57] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [01:57] I'm checking it out now. [01:57] i've been watching since season one. [01:57] you know those cowpatty attacks are useless on decently implemented wifi though [01:57] I don't even consider it an issue [01:57] antiwire: of course [01:57] ask, use fsck if you think it is an fs issue, smartctl will tell you if the disk is fried [01:57] ^ *hopefully [01:58] if you think something may be wrong it's better to be safe and back it up. [01:59] smartctl -A /dev/device or fsck -V /dev/partition [02:00] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:00] mancha: Can the disk be ounted for smartctl? [02:00] yes [02:00] yes [02:00] kalcifer (n=bkdonoho@97-126-186-174.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] one unfortunate thing about wpa is that it's not open, who knows what gremlins are inside that black box [02:01] xinyou (n=knlve@221.193.82.252) joined ##slackware. [02:02] what is not open about it? [02:02] kalcifer (n=bkdonoho@97-126-186-174.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:02] mingdao what's up [02:03] xinyou (n=knlve@221.193.82.252) left irc: Client Quit [02:03] knlve (n=knlve@221.193.82.252) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Cool. [02:03] anti, never mind, was thinking about something else, been a long day [02:03] right [02:04] Nick change: knlve -> xinyou [02:04] My university still uses WEP-104 [02:04] idiots [02:04] lol now thats my kind of uni [02:04] I don't connect to the school's wifi [02:05] you could have most everyones social sites passwords in probably under a week [02:06] I'd get expelled for pointing out a flaw in their security. [02:06] not worth it [02:06] any shared key wifi encryption isn't going to protect social site passwords anyway thought [02:06] though* [02:06] askhader, so is it the drive on its deathbed or the much less fatal fs corruption? [02:07] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-3-34.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] wait, I'm not clear on the "social sites passwords" phrase [02:07] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] you mean social networking sites? [02:07] it doesn't matter if it's wep,wpa,wpa2. if it's a shared key implementation everyone with the key can read the traffic on the media [02:07] facebook, twitter, etc [02:07] ? [02:07] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [02:08] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) got netsplit. [02:08] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) got netsplit. [02:08] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [02:08] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) got netsplit. [02:08] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) got netsplit. [02:08] JJJunkk (i=spole@166.84.1.1) got netsplit. [02:08] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [02:08] rainland (n=rainland@nikita.tnnet.fi) got netsplit. [02:08] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) got netsplit. [02:08] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [02:08] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [02:08] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) got netsplit. [02:08] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) got netsplit. [02:08] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [02:08] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) got netsplit. [02:08] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-3-34.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) got netsplit. [02:08] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) got netsplit. [02:08] JonathanD (i=Jonathan@freenode/staff/jonathand) got netsplit. [02:08] lmao2k (n=nothere@82.34.242.225) joined ##slackware. [02:08] haha manwichmakeameal [02:08] what a handle [02:09] antiwire: I'm not sure jhell was implying anything to the contrary. [02:09] it sure was implied [02:09] that you need access to the network first, yes [02:09] yes it sure was [02:09] in the context of that conversation the comment implied that WEP would expose the traffic [02:10] the issue isn't WEP [02:10] slackmagic (n=magician@pool-173-71-19-196.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] the issue is shared keys in that context [02:10] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] fair enough I guess [02:10] :) [02:10] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:10] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] Patzy (n=somethin@88.174.11.170) joined ##slackware. [02:10] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:10] netsplits are lame [02:10] JonathanD (i=Jonathan@freenode/staff/jonathand) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) returned to ##slackware. [02:10] rainland (i=rainland@nikita.tnnet.fi) joined ##slackware. [02:10] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [02:11] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) returned to ##slackware. [02:11] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:11] how many times is the netsplit going to be over? [02:11] :P [02:11] lol how many times is it going to be over ? [02:11] irssi has some annoying default information messages [02:11] it is possible to use different keys for each client station though, as well as PKI [02:12] I see stuff like "23:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mindbendr" [02:12] everytime someone joins back from a netsplit, jhell [02:12] aaah I turned that off a long while back [02:13] the 'other network' doesn't split nearly as often [02:13] didnt recognize what you were saying until you said that [02:13] what other network? [02:13] oftc [02:13] this must be a plot to make me start frequenting oftc [02:13] I'M ON TO YOU [02:14] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-3-34.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [02:14] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) got lost in the net-split. [02:15] I didn't know about oftc until you mentioned it, antiwire [02:15] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I like oftc. it's less of a playground [02:15] Are the ip tunnels paved with gold, antiwire? [02:15] they are [02:15] oftc supports ssl [02:15] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) left ##slackware. [02:16] that is awesome [02:16] plaintext password transmission is oxymoronic [02:16] freenode keeps threatening to implement ssl servers [02:16] it's a very simple migration, ie most ircd implementations are ssl capable. not sure what makes it so tough for the freenode folks [02:17] godling, thats what windows is good at though [02:17] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-122-64-135.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] they're not all ssl capable, mancha [02:17] ;) [02:18] johndee (n=id@93-81-140-161.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Vision[0.9.7-H-090826]: i've been blurred!" [02:18] I need to find a bunch of telcom gear now [02:18] oh, i thought i said most...oh wait, i did. [02:18] haha [02:18] mancha: In my sentence, "they" referred to the staff. [02:19] if they are not ssl capable they can allways be made to do so through the use of stunnel even though its not a pretty sight [02:19] antiwire: if you need an acoustic coupler or two I can probably get my hands on some. [02:19] ;P [02:20] i need a buttset, 110 & 66 punch tool and a tone generator + probe [02:20] xinyou (n=knlve@221.193.82.252) left irc: "[BX] Back wit anutha one of doz BitchX-rockin' beats!" [02:20] and I need to parse sentences more slowly [02:21] because I totally misread that [02:22] antiwire: can you clarify what you meant by "less of a playground" when referring to OFTC? [02:22] yeah, it's more down to business and less dicking around [02:22] whats a buttset for? [02:22] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:22] pooping silly! :P [02:22] so I'd probably get k-lined, is what you're saying [02:22] probably [02:22] agentc0re: it's also called a lineman's handset [02:23] yes, i know what a buttset is. [02:23] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:23] you can make a rudimentary one with a landline phone and some alligator clips [02:24] I could never bring myself to steal a lineman's handset. [02:24] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [02:24] I've always wanted one. [02:24] that's like stealing someone's bike or skateboard [02:24] yeah, I know [02:24] there are unwritten rules about this [02:24] or a rj45 wall jack with some punch down cable prepunched down on the jack and then you can use the other ends to punch to a 66block if needed. [02:24] a buttset is what you put your radiochaps on [02:24] that's what i've done in the past. [02:24] ;) [02:25] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] hba (n=hba@189.188.111.39) left irc: "leaving" [02:26] are there anyt unnrwitten rules about stealing documentation? [02:26] Action: godling shoots his secretary [02:26] plagiarism ? [02:26] :P [02:27] godling: they usually deserve it. :P [02:27] stealing food is acceptable in my book [02:27] plagiarism == stealing documentation? [02:27] mancha: Sorry, still checking. [02:27] what are you smoking agentc0re? [02:28] ask, did the smart attribs look sane though? [02:28] stealing non-food objects of pleasure or livelihood...not cool ever [02:28] antiwire: have you upgraded pidgin lately? [02:28] antiwire: is it stealing if they are in a trash bin? [02:28] agentc0re: I'm on 2.6.2 [02:28] godling: nope [02:29] no matter how they got into the bin? [02:29] mancha: How do I interpret this smartctl output? [02:29] trash is fair game as long as the stealing party didn't put it in the trash initially [02:29] aw damn [02:29] ;P [02:30] askhader, there are a few bad ones to notice... [02:30] so what if there's a bunch of documentation already in the bin but there's also some on a desk, but you accidentally knock the stuff on the desk into the bin. what then? [02:30] lol antiwire that makes no sense [02:30] mancha: What about 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 [02:30] Reallocated_Sector_Ct is one of them. is that non-zero? [02:30] jhell: yes it does [02:30] ok break it down for me maybe im tired [02:30] that looks good. [02:31] what makes no sense? [02:31] mancha: Yes, it is [02:31] mancha: It's raw value is 2 [02:31] you see the 200? that goes down to 0 [02:31] food is kind of like water.. it's really something you just can't deny anyone. [02:31] ask, ok, so there were two sectors that presented hw failure [02:31] how could you steal your own trash ? [02:31] I've worked in places where people have been fired for putting equipment into the trash and coming back after hours to get the parts out of the dumpster [02:31] .... [02:31] Could that cause the signifigant slowdowns I'm experiencing on my rather new machine? [02:31] jhell: espionage scenario: sneak into company, knock secret documentation into trash, leave. wait until end of day, go to company trash bin, remove documentation. [02:31] The hard disk is the oldest thing in there. [02:32] jhell: it wasn't theirs to begin with. [02:32] and the hw on the drive set those 2 as "don't use" and moved the data to 2 others that were fine. [02:32] alright I was thinking about it in a completely different sense [02:32] I think jhell is new to this whole human thing [02:33] agentc0re: unless they are attempting to illegally migrate to another country [02:33] (water denial) [02:33] I see. [02:33] askhader, you should pastebin.com your smartctl output for me to look at. also you can run a smart long test with: smartctl -t long /dev/device [02:33] mancha: Do you want to see that instead? [02:33] Or just the standard output? [02:33] no, show me the attribs, the -A stuff. the -t long will take 45 mins or more [02:33] godling: while that is against the law in the US, it doesn't make it right. [02:34] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m1700bdb4 [02:35] agentc0re: the determination of something as being right or wrong is entirely subjective and culturally-based. [02:35] lines 11 and 17 are not so great to have. you want those to be 0 [02:35] godling: not true at all. You mean to tell me that murder or rap is subjective to culture and location? [02:35] ask, the drive looks relatively healthy, try a long test [02:35] s/rap/rape [02:36] Hmm. [02:36] Okay [02:36] that disk is already reallocating [02:36] antiwire: Is that not a good thing? [02:36] I'd never continue using a disk that has begun reallocations [02:36] it means there has already been a media issue [02:36] Noted. [02:37] godling: i am also not willing to go any further in this discussion in this channel with you. you can PM me if you wish. [02:37] askhader it depends. sometimes things fail and thats the end of it, or sometimes it means shit is imminent. hard to say. also, it could have been early on or more recent...i'd run a long test [02:37] I do not wish to continue this conversation with you agentc0re. [02:38] mancha: I'm in the process. It says that it'll take thirty minutes or longer and when back to the bash prompt. Where will I see the output? [02:38] you certainly want to have that be zero, those two are related of course, one means "i think we need to re-alocate" and the other is "re-allocte now" [02:38] smartctl -l selftest /dev/device will show all the results (including this last test) [02:38] mancha: I do have a nother disk that is readily available, and it's SATA, very recent. [02:39] could someone else post the results of smartctl -A on their device? [02:39] I think it is interesting. [02:40] mancha: So I run that command now or after the -L ? [02:40] askhader, can you pastebin the output from: smartctl -l error /dev/device [02:40] mancha: No errors logged. [02:40] if you run the -l selftest now it won't show your current long test results. [02:40] http://pastebin.com/m7fde22ce [02:41] godling: ^ [02:41] http://pastebin.com/d2baa8d5f is mine [02:41] my post is for my WD3200BEKT [02:41] apparently I have hardware issues [02:42] my value for Power_On_Hours is insane [02:42] power on hours is an attribute with no standard [02:42] ok [02:42] is there any way to determine the real age of a device? [02:43] nope [02:43] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] load cycles are spec'd but don't believe all the hype [02:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:43] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] my device is a TOSHIBA MK1246GSX [02:44] mancha: I don't think smartctl is running.. [02:44] why? [02:44] I tried to find it's process from ps because the command line I issued the command on went back to it's prompt. [02:45] it's not like that [02:45] heh, you won't find it there grasshopper, just leave it alone [02:45] Oh. [02:45] the drive is self testing [02:45] Alright hah. [02:45] smartctl sends commands to the disk and then exits. you need to use smartctl to check the log later [02:45] antiwire: the crc errors reported in my smartctl output disturb me [02:46] s/crc/number of crc/ [02:46] antiwire: Makes sense. [02:46] godling: they can be a sign of multiple issues; could be bad cabling, failing chipset, failing disk or as simple as noise [02:47] askhader what did fsck show? [02:47] antiwire: ok. this is a laptop so could that be construed as a possible cause of increased noise? [02:47] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@79.51.68.162) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [02:48] godling: it's not something to worry much about. Actually, the very fact that the disk is reporting the crc errors means it knows they happened. undetected crc errors would be much worse [02:48] good morning [02:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] yes antiwire [02:48] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [02:48] antiwire: by noise you meant noise on the bus right? [02:48] yes [02:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:49] thanks antiwire [02:50] np [02:50] mancha: I ran it at startup, I think it 'corrected' two errors? [02:50] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] I had a job in which my sole purpose was to obtain and interpret smartmontools logs [02:51] ah, is that why you're so adept? [02:51] i wonder if those are the 2 sectors on the re-alloc [02:51] :) [02:51] lol [02:52] I often find I know a lot about a small subset of things I'm really interested in. [02:52] This is the coolest mnemonic ever "Why Run Backwards, You'll Vomit." "Boys On Girls Brings Satisfaction" [02:52] well, that's not entirely true all of the time [02:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code [02:53] those are useless to me usually [02:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-green_colorblindness#Red-green_color_blindness [02:54] whiten0ise (n=someone@24.179.66.46) joined ##slackware. [02:54] askhader thse are all good things to do (fsck, and smart tests). the prudent thing is to backup your data though. no reason not to. [02:54] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-50.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:55] mancha: If it comes down to it, I want to back up some core configurations and migrate my installation to my SATA hard disk. [02:55] Which I hope deals with the major slowdowns I'm facing. [02:55] Slodowns that were non-existent on my other operating systems. [02:55] drive speed can have noticeable performance effects [02:56] antiwire: on that wikipedia page with the color codes I can barely tell the difference between 2/3, 7/8, 12/13 and so on [02:57] antiwire: if the wires weren't right next to each other I wouldn't be able to at all [02:57] dang [02:57] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-50.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:57] i take viewing colors for granted [02:57] I mean, the different between those individual pairs [02:57] I can tell the difference between yellow and black :P [02:57] it's got to be difficult to deal with cabling like that though [02:58] yeah I can't fucking do it :/ [02:58] nater (n=Owner@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:58] pissed me off when I took apart a cable for the first time and realized it [02:58] I had already taken the bus two cities away to get the 8p8c connectors too [02:59] I got home, cut the cable, stripped it, and realized I couldn't tell what the fuck I was doing :P [03:00] antiwire: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a559/a559_bm.gif [03:00] antiwire: I can't read that. [03:00] that's probably a good thing [03:00] :P [03:01] I want to make one that says "if you can read this then maybe *you* can be a pilot when you grow up." [03:01] maybe put a frowning emoticon in there [03:01] ;P [03:02] lol [03:03] antiwire: When I first saw that t-shirt I downloaded the picture and messed with the levels in GIMP just so I could read it. [03:03] I wish I had some goggles with a filter like that [03:04] mesa_booger (n=mesa_boo@unaffiliated/mesa-booger/x-2567591) joined ##slackware. [03:04] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:05] antiwire: where did you pick up the slang term buttset? [03:05] oh, it's a brand name [03:09] toastytoast (n=toast@64.223.231.192) joined ##slackware. [03:09] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:09] quick question [03:09] when you enable GUI log in it messes up the sound for some reason [03:09] any idea why? [03:10] audio mayhaps [03:11] well i've had the problem since 12.2 when i first set up gui to get sound working again you need to chmod 777 /dev/snd/ [03:11] it weird [03:12] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] like when you start it it stops inittab from setting permissions or somehting [03:12] weirdest and rlly the only issue i've had with slackware [03:13] If i wanted to get an ssh command equivalent to "telnet 127.0.0.1 4000 [03:13] add you user to audio group [03:13] What would it be? [03:14] ssh -p 4000 user@127.0.0.1 [03:14] That's what I thought. [03:14] you probably could have read the manpage askhader [03:14] :P [03:15] godling: I did, but it wasn't working so I figured I'd ask. [03:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:16] didn't work? [03:16] Nope. [03:16] I guess whatever is supposed to be on port 4000 didn't get srtated. [03:16] that is vague [03:16] what service? [03:16] does netstat -ta show somethign listening on :4000 ? [03:16] godling: Yes [03:17] well if you want ssh to jive with it it better be sshd on 4000 [03:17] anyone here with a scsi cdrom/dvd drive [03:18] Well this mlnet daemon, a dc client, is essentially what I'm sshing into. [03:18] what's that mean in english? [03:18] there's an old trojan that uses port 4000 [03:18] http://mldonkey.sourceforge.net/Quickstart_guide [03:19] is that some p2p thing? [03:19] Sort of. I'm trying to connect to my campus network with it. [03:19] yes mancha [03:19] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-50.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:20] ssh is not gonna work [03:20] why don't you telnet as the doc says [03:20] I was told telnet is really insecure for Slackware. [03:20] but ssh can't telnet into a telnet daemon [03:20] I see. [03:21] In that case, how do I go about restarting my inted server? [03:21] plus here you're telnetting over the loopback (ie your own box) so unless you open 4000 to the world, you're fine [03:21] askhader: if you're trying to connect to an edonkey server, use an edonkey client [03:21] /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart [03:22] Hmm telnet is not getting started. [03:22] how does this help connect to a campus network? i thought this was mainly to see how many movies you could d/l before the feds knocked on your door. [03:22] We don't have Feds in Canada. [03:23] mingdao_ (n=mingdao@116.53.109.81) joined ##slackware. [03:23] askhader, look, this thing you've compiled which listens on port 4000 seems to run in daemon mode. meaning it is not a line in inetd [03:23] mancha: But telnet is. [03:23] not the client! :) [03:23] I don't have telnet at my disposal unless I enable it in inetd, am I wrong? [03:23] yes [03:23] inetd will handle telnet daemons on port 23 (or elsewhere) if you like [03:24] well [03:24] you can use the client but you won't be running a telnet service on your machine unless you enable it in inetd [03:24] the telnet client doesn't have anything to do with inetd [03:24] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:24] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] adeodatus (n=rm@92.82.93.60) left irc: Client Quit [03:24] and here your "telnet" daemon is that program you run that sits on port 4000. so in conclusion, forget about inetd [03:24] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] toastytoast (n=toast@64.223.231.192) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:25] ... Okay [03:25] So what do I use instead? [03:25] i am beginnign to feel like i am in the twilight zone [03:26] Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his imagination? [03:26] mancha: do not adjust your set [03:26] step #1: run the program you have mldonkey or whatever; step #2 use netstat -ta to verify that it is listening on port 4000; step #3 run "telnet 127.0.0.1 4000" [03:26] it's not the twilight zone ;P [03:26] mancha: Hmm. [03:27] How else shall I say this? [03:27] I don't have the telnet command. [03:27] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:27] so installpkg telnet(...).tgz [03:28] should be in N [03:28] askhader: ls -l /var/log/packages/t* [03:29] or .txz if you're on slack13 [03:30] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:35] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-145.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Alright, I got it working [03:38] askhader: http://thehealthblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cookie.jpg [03:39] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:39] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.143) joined ##slackware. [03:42] har [03:45] mancha: No errors yet. [03:45] Nick change: faceplant -> hax0r1337 [03:46] Nick change: hax0r1337 -> faceplant [03:46] it's been more than 30 minutes [03:46] conffrey (n=dario@151.59.24.83) joined ##slackware. [03:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. 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[04:18] so much for stopping [04:18] lol [04:18] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:18] Zordrak: i think it is better than 1 hrs our offtopic :-/ :D [04:18] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Hey fire|bird. [04:19] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:20] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Action: init[0] pour water on fire|bird [04:20] When would one choose T568A or T568B? [04:20] hey init[0] [04:20] how are you? [04:20] fire|bird: busy with exams :( [04:20] i miss ##slackware , its kinda OCD for me ! [04:22] /TRIGGER ADD %|-all -nocase -pattern chopp -replace hambone [04:22] argh [04:22] It's late, I gotta get going. [04:22] Rainly (n=Rainly@114-44-178-146.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] see ya guys. [04:22] fire|bird: cya [04:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:23] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [04:24] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:24] init[0]: that puppy doesn't look sorry [04:25] godling: but kinda cutteee [04:25] it looks like it is about to make your head explode with its telepathic powers [04:25] o.O [04:25] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF10ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:26] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] init[0]: see? it fooled you. [04:28] puppies are deceptive [04:28] hmm :) [04:28] they are cute too [04:29] They will eat your corpse if tempted. [04:30] fringe is an amazing show [04:31] every episode gets better [04:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.143) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:32] init[0]: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409885/Dog-eats-dead-master-wife.html [04:32] godling: ! [04:32] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: "later." [04:32] init[0]: http://guardian.co.tt/news/crime/2009/03/09/dogs-eat-woman-s-corpse [04:32] init[0]: happens all the time [04:33] Action: init[0] i hate dogs and puppies [04:33] init[0]: when the puppy looks at you like that, it is thinking something entirely different than what you believe it is thinking. ;P [04:34] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Rainly (n=Rainly@114-44-178-146.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [04:35] Action: godling wonders if he just did the equivalent of telling a kid there is no Santa. [04:37] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) got netsplit. [04:37] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) returned to ##slackware. [04:38] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.146) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:44] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:45] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:47] whiskas (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Hi, any tips of some good open source accounting (bookkeeping) software for linux? [04:48] gnu cash [04:48] notepad [04:49] heretic, whats the point? [04:49] no point. i'm just bored [04:51] Zordrak: shits so cash [04:51] never used it but omfg also has some followers [04:51] never heard of it till now. looks nice [04:52] whos been handing out the crazy? [04:52] so how's slack 13? i've been thinking about trying it but i can't seem to pull myself away from gentoo. [04:52] heret|c: dont. just dont. [04:52] (start that conversation) [04:52] go use it. simple. [04:53] spook: shits so cash? [04:53] gotta version of gnome up to date for it? [04:53] mancha: omfg? [04:53] Zordrak: bad joke [04:53] heret|c: gnome blows and isnt in slack [04:53] ... i lol'ed.. if it's any constalation spook [04:53] zordrak... i'm a slack vet, i know gnome isn't in it [04:54] i didn't come in here to start a "which is better" war [04:54] heret|c: there is no war, gnome sucks. [04:54] what response do you expect? [04:55] a "yes so and so has a gnome repo" or a "no, no one's bothered build a gnome suite for slack lately" [04:55] Zordrak, thanks, gnuCash looks fine, I'll give it a try [04:56] heret|c: there are gnome packages for slack if you're so interested [04:56] try on slackbuilds.org or something [04:56] smaller scael: http://homebank.free.fr/ [04:56] don't think SBo bothers with gnome, winter [04:56] meh.. i've been on gnome for a while now.. bout time for me to move on to something else [04:57] zord, openmfg [04:57] wish they would do more work on e17. not much has changed since i last built a slackware download/compile/package/install script for it [04:57] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:58] morning slackers [04:58] mornin camarade [04:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.84.153) joined ##slackware. [04:59] hmm [05:00] http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [05:00] * [05:00] ahhh. gsb. i was sure they got abandoned, thanks winter [05:01] yw [05:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:03] hows the compatability/performance of slack64 ? [05:04] heret|c: again.. what do you want to hear? [05:04] good point. lemme make it multiple choice lol. hold on [05:04] bunnies are pink [05:05] (improved over 64 bit distros from 1 year ago) (About the same as 64 bit distros from a year ago) or (hard to say) [05:05] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:05] i remember flash, wine, and a few other things being a pain back when i was testing -current for slamd64 for fred [05:06] heret|c: thats nothing to do with performance and is barely anything to do with slack.. slack is a 64bit environment and those issues will be the same on any purely 64bit environment [05:07] adobe develops 64bit mozilla flash plugin [05:07] heret|c: it's like a 64bit distro but a slack one so it works [05:07] and wine is officially 32bit [05:07] flash works [05:07] ubunt**** have more trouble with flash 64bit than anyone here [05:08] other 64 bit distribs work fine. don't be a hater [05:08] so an improvement over fred's slamd64 "unoffical 64 bit slack" then.. nice to hear [05:08] wine64 exists but will only emulate 64bit apps (and doesn't work very well) [05:08] but you can use wine32 [05:08] plus they have been around longer so they have more kinks worked out [05:08] mancha: nah, I was more referring to all the things that make me happy to stay on slackware, no matter the word-size [05:08] heret|c: No. not at all [05:08] heret|c: well, flash worked there for me too [05:08] i'm happy with slackware but i don't hate [05:09] heret|c: you didnt just miss the point you drove straight on by at 120mph [05:09] lol. apparently so. [05:09] *those apps* may have improved [05:09] mancha: I usually don't but this week, I've found out about /etc/alternatives and that firefox-3.5 depends on firefox-3.0 on ubuntu [05:09] but the way they work on slack64 slamd64 is not a distro issue [05:09] and that running 'firefox' will run the 3.0... [05:09] eek, that sounds bad... [05:10] why does ff3.5 depend on 3.0? [05:10] mancha: no idea! [05:10] if they work better now its not cause slack64 is inherently better than slamd64 its because developers have been working on the apps themselves [05:10] zordrak i know. i guess i was questioning 64 bit linux as a whole in it's progress since i last ventured into it [05:10] mancha: oh, and 'ubuntu-desktop' depends on xulrunner ^^ [05:10] heret|c: and thats why i didnt take to your initial question as it didnt make any sense [05:10] Camarade so you can't have just ff3.5 installed? [05:10] which means you can't uninstall it [05:11] mancha: 'apt-get install firefox-3.5' wants to install 3.0 [05:11] alteratives is fucking evil. it cannot be said any other way. [05:11] too [05:11] yeah i'm not always able to communicate exactly what it is i have in mind. [05:11] Action: Zordrak spend weeks dealing with gcj-java vs Sun java w/alternatives [05:11] thats a bit braindead for 3.5 to need 3.0 [05:11] Zordrak: I first found out about it on cygwin which is horribly slow and that makes it even slower >< [05:12] anywho. i'm emerging kde to see if i'm in the mood for it right now. if so i'll start downloading disc 1-3 of slack 13 :) [05:12] mancha: the friend whom computer I saw that on is slowly moving towards slackware :P [05:12] Patzy (n=somethin@88.174.11.170) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [05:13] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] oh and when installing a package takes 50MB additional space and removing it only removes 30MB :) [05:13] (no, no additional dep) [05:13] sounds like debian [05:13] ubuntu, same [05:13] yeah [05:13] i really just don't like any debian flavors [05:14] from time to time I forget why I don't run any other distro at all [05:14] oh, re: debian i was a bit amazed. the latest ships (or will ship) on 4-5 dvds for binaries and 4 dvds for source [05:14] then I see that... [05:14] they also are going to start shipping on blu-ray [05:14] mancha: yeah, hahaha :P [05:14] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) joined ##slackware. [05:14] thats a lot of shit if you choose to d/l [05:15] Action: heret|c can download @ over 1mb/s [05:15] Action: heret|c also likes to download in his sleep [05:15] I already did a debian netinstall at >5MB/s (or Mb, the bigger one) [05:16] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:16] b=bits B=bytes [05:16] i like debian, but 9 dvds, c'mon folks [05:16] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [05:16] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.47.142) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:16] mancha: use 1install cd or netinstall [05:16] heret|c: which means MB, but that also means I was wrong when talking about optic fiber being 100MB/s :P [05:16] ohhh yeah [05:16] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Client Quit [05:16] nobody forces you to download and burn the full repo [05:16] winter yah, just reflecting on the sheer size of the complete distrib [05:17] divide by 8 and you were right [05:17] btw, that debian netinstall was on a university network (well, two unis and 500km between them) [05:17] heret|c: but 100MB for 20 euros would be nicer :D [05:17] and the size of it is rather an advantage for me [05:17] i'd soil myself every time i logged onto my computer [05:17] Hello :-) I need know how can slackware achieve ==> robust , very stable ....etc ......... Just by select stable versions of software packages & KISS principle [05:18] i like the speed with which debian addresses security issues [05:18] well, they could spare a lot with another compression... [05:18] i smell a troll. [05:18] eng-ms_: basically yes, plus avoid stupidity in some places [05:18] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:18] heret|c: he joined >11 hours ago [05:19] lol.. [05:19] openssl prng fiasco aside, they are quite fast with publicly disclosed vulns [05:19] the KISS principle leads to less bloat and less tinkering with source code. both of those things are what kill stability for other distros [05:19] something I've never understood is the different repos, they are too many for my poor brain [05:20] thanks for response:-) [05:20] and for debian, 9 DVDs is scary because I'm not sure anyone can manage this complexity [05:20] any more details / [05:20] (which means everything _has_ to be done independently) [05:21] eng-ms_: well, it's also not jumping as early as possible to shiny new software, like pulseaudio, grub2... [05:22] staying on stable branches of software is almost tautologically more stable than moving to more bleeding edge versions [05:22] aside from that, maybe more experience from the packagers and no time-based schedules (which probably made slackware the only distro without flash problems) [05:23] on the flip side, stable=older and as vulnerabilites are patched, one needs to keep backporting these to the old stable ver (or not but then it's with holes) [05:23] Many thanks for response :-) ............ if anyone have more useful info i listen [05:24] otoh, new vulns are introduced with newer versions so who knows how it all ends up, maybe a wash [05:25] unlikely because you also discover new types of vulns ;) [05:25] debian is stable, centos is stable, etc [05:26] i don't think slackware has any kind of monopoly on that [05:26] rhel is stable [05:27] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:27] it's all taste [05:27] rhel is stable and widly used in enterprise market [05:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [05:27] some people like big 4 wheel drive trucks. some like little stick shifting import cars. they all do what they were designed for and do it well. [05:27] mancha: Hey uh.. The hard disk scans returned no errors [05:28] i just remembered why i went with gentoo. [05:29] i never use binaries anyways, so if i'm gonna be compilling a ton of packages, i'll stick with a distro with quick world wide flags for what i want, and downloads and compiles stuff for me. [05:29] i made one too many slackbuild scripts lol. [05:30] askhader, i'd say things seem ok then. i'd still backup critical stuff though [05:30] make install DESTDIR=/tmp/$pkgname&&cd /tmp/$pkgname&&makepkg blah blah [05:31] sorry.. little ADD'ish over here.. ignore when i ramble [05:31] heret|c: slackbuilds.org && sbopkg.org [05:31] zordrak. i've made contributions to sbo in the past. [05:31] those packagebuilds didn't make themselves. [05:31] if only all makefiles respected DESTDIR life would be easier [05:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:32] very true mancha.. or worse crap with perl scripts [05:32] like fusion-icon [05:32] ah, never had the pleasure of building fusion-icon [05:33] If i want training self and gain more knowledge in GNU/Linux :-) Slackware for training on GNU/Linux generally and CentOS for training red hat certificate ... is this true and accurate ? [05:33] centos an offshoot of RH? [05:34] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-50.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] centos is a binary-compat rhel clone [05:34] ahh.. i'll have to check it out one day then [05:34] just to see if i'll hate redhat any harder :p [05:35] haven't used any rpm based distro since.... mandrake 8.0 [05:35] slackweird (n=acolyte@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: "init 0" [05:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Action: brbrbr warmly greeet everyone [05:41] hi why discussion stop [05:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.227) joined ##slackware. [05:45] eng-ms_: this channel is an along signal and at times it has dc factor ;) [05:46] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:46] eng-ms_: It's 02:45 where I am. People are sleepy or sleeping. [05:46] ok [05:46] :) [05:46] are goodnirht [05:47] Action: init[0] godlings never sleep [05:48] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:48] yeah, still sleepy ;) [05:48] godling is a bot [05:48] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-175-230.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:49] is this channel GMT -5 ? [05:49] beep [05:49] can slackware implement IPsec VPN using ESP and 3DES AND run in tunnel mode (to protect IP header)? [05:49] eng-ms_: there are people in this channel from all over the globe [05:49] like me GMT +2 [05:50] what the suitable time to ask and discussion in this useful channel ? [05:51] eng-ms_: here it is GMT -8 [05:54] :-) what the suitable time to ask and discussion in this useful channel ?..........in other words from ? to ? [05:54] eng-ms_: it really depends [05:55] I am new in amazing Slackware land :-) so i have many questions [05:56] eng-ms_: there is a lot of documentation. check the topic for links. the wiki is good, as is the slackbook. [05:56] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] I read official Slackbook http://slackbook.org & www.slackbasics.org [05:57] but i want more knowledge [05:58] then break something and fix it ;) [05:58] eng-ms_, on weekends it's all day ;p [05:58] the best knowledge seems to be gained through experience. [05:58] Action: NthDegree is British (GMT or BST depending on the time of year) [05:58] weekends is sunday ? [05:58] Saturday or Sunday [05:58] and/or* [05:59] then break something and fix it ;)............i am not expert to fix [05:59] now i am level 0 :-) [06:00] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:01] yay, I just installed Chatbot::Eliza :P [06:01] Action: godling considers irssi scripts using Eliza [06:06] godling: can it talk on your behalf ? [06:06] wertik_ (n=wertik@95-27-176-230.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:07] init[0]: I can probably make it respond, yes. [06:07] I haven't written anything yet though [06:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:08] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:09] can anyone explain general idea of how make accounts@domain.com in mail for example info@example.com , feedback@example.com , sales@example ...........can do this with smtp mail or what ? [06:11] it seems all People are sleepy or sleeping :-) [06:12] ok may get answer in another time :-) [06:16] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-175-230.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:21] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:23] blacknaml (n=dika@202.70.58.30) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Time to Sholat maghrib for Surabaya Indonesia [06:23] cyborg-one (n=iceknigh@nas-12-112.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [06:24] nick blacknaml [06:24] auto-identity [06:25] blacknaml (n=dika@202.70.58.30) left irc: "Leaving" [06:26] \o/ [06:32] I just installed the new version of amarok from the curent64 repository and tried to give it a new try... It's getting worster after each release.... [06:32] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-0-204.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] worster? [06:33] I hate criticizing Open Sources software (particularly when they are within the KDE project ^^) but Amarok is so damn slow ... [06:33] worst and worst ? [06:33] worse ** worse [06:33] ah [06:33] amarok sucks [06:33] (that's my opinion) [06:33] worster doesn't exists ? My bad I'm not native english speaker :) [06:33] Arno[Slack]: better than some native speakers :) [06:34] huhu thanks ^^ [06:34] whiskas (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [06:34] Arno[Slack]: nothing can get worse than the worst. people sometimes use -er suffix to exaggerate though, so "worster" is ok if you are joking. [06:34] ah ok [06:35] -est too, like saying something is the "bestest" [06:35] well... unfortunatly this time I am not joking [06:35] hah yeah [06:35] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) joined ##slackware. [06:35] ah yeah this one I know about (it's the form used by Poh in Kung Fu Panda ^^) [06:37] well anyway, I may not have the latest hardware but with a 2.66 Intel Core 2 Duo and 2 GB of RAM it's not acceptable that a mere music player takes 100% of one core and 40% of my whole memory... [06:39] and how did the previous version compare to that? [06:39] I bet it sucked balls too [06:40] But I'm coding in Java right now so what do I know about suck? [06:40] it was maybe a bit better... but I stopped using it because it was to slow and taking to much resources [06:41] Arno[Slack]: I like mpd [06:41] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:43] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [06:45] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host171-162-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host90-175-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:45] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:51] Nick change: StevenR_ -> StevenR [06:57] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [06:57] hrm. apparently I cannot search for packages or files in packages for slackware64-13.0 or slackware64-current on http://packages.slackware.it/ [06:57] ah, I see why [06:57] there's nothing in the repository there :P [06:58] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [07:04] byron_holmes0 (n=sxfg@212.183.140.16) joined ##slackware. [07:05] anyone tell me what partition they use for install ...like /var /usr or which are most important ? [07:06] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Anyone here get samba working successfully on 13.0? [07:07] byron_holmes0: if you have to ask yourself that question, then the answer is: use two filesystems, one for / and one for /home [07:07] forget about others [07:08] yeah ananke you dont bother with /var ? [07:08] byron_holmes0: depends. i know what's going there, and how large it may be on a given system. you don't [07:09] so, unless you're trying to solve a problem, stick to a simple filesystem layout [07:09] ok ill just stick to / and /home [07:13] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) left irc: "leaving" [07:15] byron_holmes0 (n=sxfg@212.183.140.16) left irc: " " [07:15] just a little question : is the mysql 5.1 Slackware package is compiled with mysql embded support ? [07:17] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:17] Arno[Slack]: check the slackbuild?:) [07:17] right :) [07:19] Arno[Slack]: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/ap/mysql/mysql.SlackBuild [07:20] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:28] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [07:28] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:19] Action: Arno[Slack] go looks at amarok's slackbuild [08:20] hehe Camarade_Tux ^^ [08:20] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [08:20] sorry for the bad joke :D [08:22] ah ok.. amarok's slackbuild recompile it's own mysql [08:23] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] rgouveia1 (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:24] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [08:26] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-214-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:13] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:14] yo sirmacik [09:15] do You know something about plans of kde 4.3 in crurrent? [09:16] I mean official pkgs [09:20] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [09:23] sirmacik: "probably willl appear at some point in $time" [09:24] Nick change: wertik_ -> wertik_rus [09:25] sometimes Pat likes to bump all of the toolchain / system stuff before userland, but KDE can be an exception [09:25] :/ [09:26] if you desperately want the latest greatest kde , vbatts has packages for -current. [09:27] -current is actually required for it [09:27] I know, thanks [09:27] suggesting that the cahnges in -current at the mo are somewhat in preparation for 4.3 [09:27] BP{k}: yesterday we had discussed about importing term colors,i think running /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh,from ~/.bashrc is the right way to it ,instead of coping /etc/profile ~/.bashrc! [09:28] yeeaahh ok im not sticking around for *that* conversation [09:28] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] considering the hammering that KDE4 has been getting from many users, maybe Pat would not like to push until ready. Hence the unofficial release for user testing. [09:28] init[0]: you're still expertly missing the point. Obviously you still don't understand how bash invocation work. [09:29] allend: that doesnt make a whole lot of sense [09:29] Sure it does [09:29] BP{k}: while terminal emulators are run they read .bashrc isn't? [09:30] Action: NthDegree hates KDE 4 because it is less stable and lacks all the good stuff KDE 3 had [09:30] 3->4 was the big step.. 4.2.6 to 4.3.x will just be a "when its all tested" thing [09:30] init[0]: englsh can sentence has? [09:30] it is like the testing of the Intel graphics drivers. [09:30] NthDegree: success in failure [09:30] oops /s/while/ / [09:30] when^ [09:30] init[0]: obviously in the time between those sentences, you can't possibly have read the bash manpage. So why should I answer your question? [09:31] BP{k}: ok ! i'm done ;) [09:32] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF10ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [09:34] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Zordrak: I take your point that -current is for development releases. I do find it curious that the KDE4.3 packages are being made available unofficially. [09:34] allend: why? [09:34] allend: someone has to do it first [09:35] pat only releases it when he is *done* [09:35] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.51.68.162) left irc: [09:35] both XFCE and KDE have frequently in the past been made available by others. as well as other packages. [09:35] (or whoever is working on it for him) [09:35] yes, and the people involved are slackware developers. so why not pass them through Pat rather than release unofficially. [09:35] >.< [09:36] vbatts is not a slackware developer [09:36] allend: when it is fully tested and pat is completely happy THEN he will put it in -current [09:36] and 4.3 not appearing in -current is NOT because Pat doesn't feel it's ready [09:36] until then people do what they want and if they want it early.. thef do it themselves [09:36] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF10ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:36] and at the same time share what theyve done [09:37] its called libre software [09:37] :) [09:37] so it's all about Pats feelings? :o [09:37] Slackware is not a democracy [09:37] sirmacik: and well love the out put! [09:38] if slackware was a domecracy we wouldnt still have sendmail as the default mail server [09:38] *democracy [09:38] sirmacik: basically :) just after a slackware release, -current doesn't move too fast for a couple months [09:38] it is a benign dictatorship, the most efficient system [09:38] but Pat likes sendmail.. thats how it is and we accept it [09:39] if you wanna change it.. you just change it [09:39] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:39] heh, but it all works so it appears that it;s good [; [09:40] as way of developing distro [09:40] ofc [09:41] its the only good way [09:41] its just a matterc of finding the right dictator [09:41] and in Pat.. we have [09:42] agreed.. mostly but they are also some good prospering distros developed in democracy way [09:42] as debian for example [09:42] theyre not properly democratic either [09:43] its just theres a few dictators instead of one [09:43] but then democracy is a very very bad thing [09:43] in all circumstances [09:43] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [09:44] I don't think so about democracy [09:44] If democracies actually worked then the armed forces would be democratic. It's not. They're not. [09:44] * It doesn't. They're not. [09:44] it's definetly not so simple [09:46] Yes. it is. Democracy is based on the idea that every single last opinion matters. In reality 80% of opinions are barely opinions and are formed not from knowledge but idiocy, assumption and misinformation as well as laziness [09:46] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:46] I found a girl who used irc once but she didn't know about freenode, I should have told her there is at least one channel that does both politics, sex, religion, ninjas, food, alcohol... all at once :) [09:46] heyll yes [09:46] Zordrak: you just gave the definition of opinion actually ;) [09:47] opinions are biases [09:47] a proper opinion is an idea made from a combination of information, intelligence and usually deduction [09:48] you can have opposing opinions that still watch those criteria [09:48] but most do not atch them [09:48] sirmacik: are you still hungry ? [09:48] *match and *match [09:48] I think opinion is not the proper word although it's the most widely used ;) [09:48] init[0]: I am :) [09:49] words are just words [09:49] its how they are interpreted that matters [09:49] Camarade_Tux: ;) [09:49] armed forces being democratic? that simply cannot work [09:49] hence why free is the right word.. but one must use freedom or libre to make people understand [09:49] starting from the most basic of issues: timing. [09:50] right im off.. ananke is about to start tearing apart every thing ive said as if i literally carved each word in stone and then demanded that the world live by them [09:50] :) [09:50] ananke: or that all aren't equal before death [09:50] (/me hopes the wording is ok) [09:50] Zordrak: i know how much you hate to follow logic [09:50] ^^ [09:50] Zordrak: but after historical experiences (im from Poland) i can tell You that have a dictator isn't good at all [09:51] I should go back to coding, I only have a few things left [09:51] sirmacik: dont misinterpret me [09:51] sirmacik: i said the *right* dictator is the best possible method [09:51] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) left ##slackware. [09:51] but I don't think dictatorship applies to slackware [09:51] with free software you get to choose your dictator [09:51] sirmacik: poland hasn't seen a dictator for quite some time [09:51] in a country you get what youre given and often its a power hungry douchebag [09:51] ananke: fortunately [09:51] tewmten (i=tew@asylunatic.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.57) left irc: "+-||\-" [09:52] dictatorship is the only way to rule.. but you cant enforce it for countries because you would have to be able to choose your country and dictator [09:52] and the best alternative weve come up with so far is democracy [09:52] which blows [09:52] Ojg (n=org@c-83-233-59-82.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [09:52] but is better than many alternatives [09:52] ok ok [09:52] glad you feel that way. anyway [09:53] Action: sirmacik has to go ;x [09:53] bye [09:53] by sirmacik :) [09:53] bye * [09:53] Winston Churchill is famous for saying something like that [09:54] democracy is a poor system, but the best we have [09:54] trying to apply democracy and dictatorship across the board to all possible scenarios is just an exercise in futility. neither one is the best solution for everything [09:55] he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXh2n0aPyw [09:55] just because one is better suited for running a small distro, doesn't mean it's equally beneficial for running a country or military [09:56] the biggest andmost successful companies didnt get where they are because of a board of directors.. they got where they are because they started as One Man and His Idea whether thats for a product, a service or a methodology [09:56] only later did the management evolve due to scale issues [09:56] you can't equate how a company operates to a country, that's retarded [09:57] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:57] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:57] of course you can [09:57] while thomas hobbes' idea of a man with big stick works for some goals, it's not applicable for everything [09:57] because there have been 100X more companies with a dictator that has made a poor decision, and tanked his company, than the ones who are great and have survived [09:57] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.82.72.36) joined ##slackware. [09:57] its all management of resources to achieve a goal within specified criteria [09:57] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:57] whethe a country, a software project an army or just one man's life [09:58] and the billions of shitty CEO's that run companies into the ground? [09:58] bad CEO [09:58] er, not billions [09:58] sure, and you suggest failure is even possible for a country? the democratic system helps prevent that kinda thing [09:58] Zordrak: go live in cuba for 5 years and report back to us on how well you liked it ;P [09:58] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:59] thrice`: precisely which is EXACTLY why i was careful to be clear [09:59] nevermind, I actually hate trying to interpret your points, so I'm going to bow out [09:59] I do NOT believe that dictatorship can manage all countries [09:59] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-68-228.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:59] because you only get a good dictator one in a million times [09:59] http://www.google.com/trends?q=boxxy&ctab=-1&geo=all&date=all xD [09:59] that's some serious spike [10:00] you would have to be able to crhoose your country and your dictator [10:00] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] which is why, although it cant work for country-politics.. it DOES work fyor software projects [10:00] Camarade_Tux: up to 30? :) [10:02] hm, so the ups for my work's workstation lasted for 40 mins. not bad [10:03] ananke: how big a battery on the ups? [10:03] thrice`: mostly from 0 to 30 and down to 10 in a month [10:03] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [10:03] gnubien: i think it's apc 750 [10:04] ananke: ok, my apc 350 is rated for 3 minutes ;/ [10:04] looks like we lost power this morning, most likely to the entire building. wouldn't know about it, if my workstation didn't finally shut down [10:06] i'm actually pleasantly surprised by this ups [10:07] ananke: apc log files tell you anything? [10:08] xpose (n=cr@74.55.236.186) joined ##slackware. [10:08] is it wrong to totally not understand 4chan? [10:08] gnubien: yep. lost power at 7:40AM, at 8:20 it said battery reached low level and is shutting down. then i see the workstation back up at 8:40 [10:09] ananke: ups's are really handy here in florida with all the thunderstorms [10:13] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:23] Hi, i've got a problem installing pysvn, it says "Error: These sources are not compatible with python 2.5 - run the backport command to fix" i've tried many versions, with no luck and i don't have any backport command [10:24] Camarade_Tux: it's like an insurance policy. just because nothing happened to you in the past, it doesn't mean you'll be accident free for the rest of your life :) [10:24] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-129-35.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:25] LeDruide: what complains, the setup.py ? [10:26] yep [10:27] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:27] i've tried older versions of pysvn, it says the same down to version 1.5.3 where the comilation starts but has many many errors [10:27] LeDruide: 1.7.0 just configured OK here [10:27] setup ? [10:28] "python setup.py configure" [10:28] and now make finished too [10:28] Rainly (n=Rainly@114-44-178-146.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-129-35.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] ananke: lappy here :D [10:29] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/E7ZAm958.html [10:29] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:29] ananke: but I don't have power problems here :) [10:29] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.192) joined ##slackware. [10:31] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] LeDruide: check out ^^ paste, shows you what I did [10:31] nordle (n=nordle@87.113.54.121) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Julian (i=Bashir@87.106.131.237) joined ##slackware. [10:32] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Does anyone know why Slack 13 QT built with --no-phonon? Was it just purely to allow for a seperate phonon package. If so, where did the source come from? Far too many questions for a Saturday :) [10:32] Nick change: Rainly -> Rainly_ [10:33] nordle: yes, phonon is built separately. phonon source is available on a slackware mirror, under slackware-13.0/source/l/phonon/ [10:34] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-129-35.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:37] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [10:37] thrice`: thanks for the paste, i'm going to install python 2.6, but any idea what is that backport thing ? [10:38] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [10:38] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.93.87) left irc: Client Quit [10:39] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [10:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] LeDruide: oh, you're on 2.5 yet? which slackware version? [10:40] i've got a slack 11 on that box [10:40] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [10:40] i've installed 2.5 from the 12 package [10:41] cheers thrice` do you know where the source came from originally though? Usually google leads right to the place, but I'm getting conflicting results, ie from kdesupport or QT itself. [10:41] there are alot of system components compiled against python, so be careful [10:42] nordle: http://kde.mirrors.tds.net/pub/kde/stable/phonon/4.3.0/ [10:42] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [10:42] phonon makes regular releases [10:43] Thanks again thrice`! [10:44] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:09] i'm on 11 and want to upgrade to 13, but i gues i'll have to do each version in between [11:10] LeDruide: backup old.. install new fresh [11:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [11:11] the thing is that i have a mailserver that is used on it and can't afford to stop it that long [11:11] plus many other services, would take me a very long time to install fresh [11:11] err what? [11:12] its all config files anyway and manually upgrading through all the versions will give you 10x more downtime or more [11:12] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [11:12] srecko (n=srecko@93.141.65.7) left irc: "Leaving." [11:12] yeah i guess i could do it by night [11:12] well.. yeah [11:13] and mailserver can go down for like 3 days without it mattering [11:13] any mailservers that play by the rules will keep trying four about 4 days [11:13] well the mail won't matter, the users on the other hand ... :D [11:13] mine does for 5, not the issue, the issue is the users ;) [11:13] side by side new and old [11:13] switch over [11:14] plee_ (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:14] if it's a full slackware install, it'll be trickier; if it's a minimal install, it is probably do-able [11:14] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:14] but it's supposed to be doable right ? [11:14] i mean if you put the cd there's an upgrade option [11:14] you left it too long [11:15] LeDruide: maybe you can install on a virtual machine and then use that to overwrite the slack11? [11:15] i said i don't mind going throught each rev [11:15] 11->13 is do-able.. but wrong [11:15] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] doesn't 11 - 13 imply new kernel, udev and friends? [11:15] LeDruide: yes, definitely; however, jumping more than 1 version is obviously trickier, because you have to account for ALL changes that happened [11:16] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [11:16] slackware's CD won't tell you "hey, you're on 11, be sure to remove all of these packages which are no more, and install all of this new stuff" [11:16] Camarade_Tux: never done it, but sounds clever, how do i get the vm partitions on the actual disk though ? [11:16] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:16] i meant going from 11 to 12 then 12.1 then 12.2 then 13 not directly [11:16] LeDruide: tar [11:17] the dev will recreate itself ? [11:17] LeDruide: 11 -> 12 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 -> 13 is probably the longest option (provided there was no problem) [11:17] yep, i'll try the install everything in vm then copy it over [11:17] does it have x.org installed? [11:17] nope [11:17] that helps quite a bit :) [11:18] it's a server, pretty packed with services, but they shouldn't be so troublesome [11:18] LeDruide: I converted an ext2 partition to xfs that way: boot on an usb stick, tar (maybe with some switch), delete the partition, create the new one, untar [11:18] tar / ? [11:19] that works ? [11:19] taring dev/ seems pretty spooky to me :D [11:19] bah, I just used "man tar"... fscking info! [11:19] ok i'll definitly try that, that can be fun [11:19] LeDruide: I can't remember how /dev looks like when the system is of [11:19] tar is better than almost any other option for ensuring you dont screw it [11:19] *off [11:20] LeDruide you can just use a livecd [11:20] winter: meaning ? [11:20] tar the system while it's not working [11:21] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] winter: we talked about doing it in a vm first so no problem on that part, but thanks [11:24] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] ok got to go, thnaks for the help, bye [11:27] Clean (n=bruno@189.26.62.232.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:27] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:29] LeDruide (n=LeDruide@dryades.org) left irc: "dispose(CcK);" [11:31] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-196.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hey folks, i'm trying to install grub 32bits in my 64bits system. i read about multlib. ok, but after i run "convertpkg -i grub-....tgz" and "installpkg grub-compat32-x86_64.tgz" i cant run grub-install, or grub, return "command not found". [11:32] Clean: you should not be converting the grub package [11:33] The only packages that you would convert, are the ones you need to support running 32-bit apps in a 64-bit environment [11:33] Typically, that will be all the packages converted by the "massconvert.sh" package. No more. [11:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] Nick change: plee_ -> plee [11:35] Rainly_ (n=Rainly@114-44-178-146.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [11:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] alienBOB: so I can't install grub in 64bits system? [11:36] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] alienBOB: hello ? [11:40] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] Clean (n=bruno@189.26.62.232.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-226-49.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:42] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:46] Some people do not have patience... [11:46] oh is there any channel (slackware) that speak trukish? [11:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:47] Hmmm where do they speak trukish?;-) [11:48] trukey ! [11:48] some one doesn't know english, so he want a turkish channel [11:49] alienBOB: s/trukish/turkish/ [11:49] :D [11:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] rahul_ (i=1000@123.238.133.1) joined ##slackware. [11:52] compiling a kernel for amd turionx2 rm70, should i select processor type as "K8" or "generic x86-64" ? [11:52] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:53] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-229-145.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] yey, internets are fixed! Had a bad port at the demarc. [11:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] When I compailed the kernel I got this error: make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 [11:55] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:56] need moar infoz [11:56] init[0]: ##slackofftopic should qualify [11:57] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [11:57] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Why i got that error? [11:57] samyf: you'll need to paste more than that [11:57] drivers/built-in.o: In function `init_module': [11:57] (.init.text+0xe0e0): undefined reference to `__this_module' [11:57] what did you do before the "make" ? [11:58] whiten0ise (n=someone@24.179.66.46) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:58] make menuconfig [11:59] what kernel did you dl? [11:59] linux-2.6.31.3.tar [12:00] ok, this is too hard (to get relevant info). try make clean; make menuconfig; make [12:01] In this order? [12:01] winter: can you please define #slackofftopic ? [12:01] the menuconfig stage will take a while since that is configuring your system (choice of drivers, devices, etc etc etc) [12:02] winter: -> 21:25 < init[0]> oh is there any channel (slackware) that speak trukish? if you consider this slackofftopic ,perhaps you have see a doctor [12:02] you might want to avoid compiling a kernel altogether unless there's a strong reason to want to. if so, invest in reading the billions of docs out there [12:02] init[0]: go and get some sense of humor [12:02] winter: do i have to import it ? [12:02] ... [12:03] Action: winter drops this pointless conversation [12:03] Action: init[0] indeed winter started it [12:03] I want suppprt for usb speedtouch and i saw that kernel -2.6.31.3 has it. [12:04] Action: winter feels sorry for the clueless people [12:04] tooly (n=theo@e178170050.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Action: init[0] yea poor FBI [12:04] and for my video card too. [12:05] and sound card. [12:06] i doubt your hw is so new it is only mainlined in 2.6.31.3 [12:06] usb speedtouch sounds like an alcatel modem, if so, thats been around since the paleolithic era [12:06] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] I have a thomson speedtouch 330 [12:08] deco_ (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I am compiling a kernel for amd turionx2 rm70, should i select processor type as "K8" or "generic x86-64" ?? [12:08] Action: winter added init[0] to his ignore list [12:08] I dont know if kernel version: 2.6.29.6 has support for that modem. [12:09] well that would be a thing i would investigate first, you know? [12:09] secondly, if you're using 13.0 there's a newer kernel all ready in the /extra or summit dir [12:09] I am using wicd 1.6.2.2 on slackware64 13.0, and i am having a strange problem. the wicd-client gui application crashed, so I used KDE to kill it. now, even after a system reboot, the gui fails to start. kde shows the application in the taskbar and shows the launch-feedback mouse cursor. after 5-10 seconds, it disappears from the task list and never loads the window or tray icon. can someone help me troubleshoot this issue? [12:09] winter: as if i will strave without water [12:10] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [12:10] s/strave/starve/ [12:10] zaltekk, sounds like a lock file issue? what does "kde to kill it" mean? [12:10] What kernel version is /extra? [12:10] mancha: i used the kill window keyboard shortcut that gives you the skull and crossbones cursor [12:10] but i've rebooted since then. [12:11] samyf, take your nice little brain over to the dvd or the mirror site and look [12:11] zaltekk: do a nice "killall wicd-client" from a terminal, and then load it again with "wicd-client" ; see if it displays anything when it dies [12:11] thrice`: see if it puts output into the terminal? [12:11] yeah, you are right. [12:11] It always will print something to the terminal. [12:11] yep; run wicd-client from the terminal, and wait for that 5-10 second period when it dies, and see what it dies iwth [12:12] alright. i'll try it and come back [12:12] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:13] thanks [12:13] it's either in extra or testing [12:13] Action: mancha forgets [12:15] has wicd finally figured out how regexes work in general and in python, in partcular :) i wanna give it a shot one day but will wait till they unbreak it [12:15] There is no kernel in /extra and neither is there a kernel in /testing [12:15] There used to be but that was years ago [12:15] bad alienBOB [12:15] mancha: 1.6.2.2 unbroke it. [12:16] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5/ [12:16] slackware/slackware-13.0/testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5/ disagres with you alienbob [12:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Well ok thrice` apart from *that* kernel ;-) [12:16] geez, get a clue [12:16] alienBOB: someone came here yesterday having problems with perl modules [12:16] But that is old as well ;-0 [12:16] :> [12:17] NaCl: yes with the update of perl in -current I expect several packages to be broken now [12:17] has anyone tried running skype on 64bit slack13, i tried running both the static and dynamic versions and it did not load the libasound [12:17] Like irssi which does not start here [12:17] That guy was having problems with imagemagick [12:17] i guess i missed the joke, is 2.6.30.x not considereda kernel? [12:18] grep 5.10.0 /var/log/packages/* | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq [12:18] yields 4 [12:18] NaCL, ah ok. but this beaking/unbreaking cycle makes me want to hold off on using it [12:18] (on my machine, which is not full) :) [12:19] mancha: AFAICT, that's the only time it's been seriously broken. [12:19] MaCl, its had "hidden" ssid issues for a while if i don't misremember [12:19] sorry, NaCl [12:20] Hidden ESSIDs always create issues. They don't provide any extra security [12:21] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] hmm. it appears it was my fault [12:21] NaCl i am well aware of the the security implications (or lack thereof) wrt not broadcasting ssid's. my concern is related to the degree of working of wicd. hidden ssi is a reality, and i want my supplicants to not break when they come across them [12:21] rahul_ (i=1000@123.238.133.1) left irc: "Leaving" [12:21] i changed the /usr/bin/python symlink to point to python3.1 instead of python2.6, and wicd-client doesn't like that [12:21] all is fixed now [12:22] lol [12:22] unfortunately, i don't control all the APs i use...and as much as i would like to school the folks who admin them all, i can't so i need a supplicant that doesn't break. [12:22] It's worked fine on various hidden ESSIDs I have encountered [12:23] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Which wasn't many. [12:24] ok, that sounds positive. maybe i'll test this coming week. [12:25] FWIW, if you don't like it, wicd doesn't care so much if you kill its daemons and start your own. [12:25] At least from my experience. [12:25] Or just stop wicd. It'll leave your connection up. [12:26] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.82.72.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:26] i have a working set of wpa_supplicant conf files, that works no matter where i go so wicd is more to play with i guess [12:26] There you go. [12:27] It's just there to simplify things. I could very well just connect to networks using wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd, but I got tired of that in 2007. :P [12:28] wicd's been around since '07? [12:28] lol [12:28] wow, for some reason i thought it was more recent [12:28] he's saying that the entire DiY attitude is dated :) [12:28] yes .. let's all switch to ubuntu ;) [12:28] i too grow tired of scanning, killing the daemon, changing configs, connecting, and restarting dhcpcd [12:29] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:29] i don't do much fussing thrice, i invested in a conf that prioritizes stuff and boom, i've not had to re-conf in a long time [12:29] mancha: It's been around for a while, but I don't think it was so useful in its early stages. [12:29] actually I have to admit that wicd made my live a lot easier when moving around :) [12:29] I didn't touch it until last year. [12:30] I could probably write one that would hit 99% of my use too. but when I get to that destination with the 1% .. :) [12:30] besides, rc.inet1 tacks on almost 10 seconds to my boottime :-) [12:31] rc.inet1 is one of the first things i nuke on a fresh slack install (second is elvis i think) [12:31] I'd rather just let wicd handle it myself. much easier to set things like dns that sticks [12:31] thirds the kernels [12:31] elvis: UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 2820K [12:32] yeah, such overhead [12:32] mancha: what about emacs? :P [12:32] i have hd space a plenty, its not why i nuke elvis [12:32] tooly (n=theo@e178170050.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [12:32] alisonken1home: have you ever needed more than three DNS servers? [12:32] when i type vi, i of course mean vim (as does anyone with a modest to high iq) [12:32] emacs never gets on [12:35] thats not entirely true, i have some boxes with emacs (other distribs though). my slack box is my tinker box and i don't use emacs on it [12:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-230.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [12:35] mancha: when I type vi, I want vi, that's why I never type vi but always vim :) [12:36] if you want vi you need to stop using linux [12:36] as I wrote, I never type "vi" ;) [12:36] Camarade_Tux: Quand je reve c'est de toi ;-) [12:37] deco_: \o/ [12:37] \o/ :P [12:37] Camarade_Tux: Quand je chante c'est pour toi [12:37] Action: Camarade_Tux needs firebird to appear [12:37] firebird, firebird, firebird! [12:37] deco_: <3 [12:38] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [12:38] Camarade_Tux: je ne paux pas vivre sains toi [12:38] \o/ [12:38] sed -e 's/paux/peux/' -e 's/sains/sans' # :) [12:38] Camarade_Tux: ooops :P [12:38] :D [12:39] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Camarade_Tux: fire|bird!!! we need him \o/ [12:39] ok ok so i'm very ocd about my vi clones. sue me! [12:39] :) [12:39] Action: Camarade_Tux sues mancha [12:40] give me all your money! [12:40] Action: mancha countersues for twice as much [12:40] Nick change: cbrpnk -> davi [12:40] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:40] Nick change: davi -> cybErpunk [12:40] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:41] and of course for all the legal fees of suit #1 [12:41] I'll be in France before you can do anything :) [12:41] ;D [12:41] Camarade_Tux: Omleaeto Fremash :) [12:42] Action: mancha devises a careful strategy, after all, la vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid [12:42] Action: Camarade_Tux loves zsh [12:42] mancha: google transilate ;) [12:43] mancha: hahaha :P [12:43] init[0]: /me doesn't parse that :o [12:43] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [12:43] mmmmmm coffee [12:44] Camarade, heh. [12:44] Camarade_Tux: hey Tux, je parlais des oeufs:) [12:45] now ? [12:45] init[0] you're turkish right? you have no business learning new lagnauges until you all invent the letter "x" again [12:45] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:45] mancha: no i'm not! [12:45] how do you start X in turkish distribs? [12:46] oh, misremembered, someone with a similar nick was asking about turkish-speaking slackware channels earlier today i think. [12:46] mancha: a silly guy in #linux pmed me asking help, he in a turkish ! [12:47] s/in/is/ [12:47] i see, never mind then. my joke, which wasn't too funny to start, is now totally fubar. [12:47] :D [12:47] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. [12:48] init[0]: I got the "Omleaeto" but not the "Fremash"... ah, cheese :D [12:49] Camarade_Tux; :) i learned it from Dextor's Lab , [12:49] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1738 [12:50] deco_: i missed this one :( http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1736 [12:50] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: "Bye............." [12:51] init[0]: hahaha that was a good one [12:51] sure, sure, make fun :) [12:51] mancha: :P [12:51] yea! clue less mancha :) [12:51] its a better app name than irc nick anyways! [12:52] lol [12:52] virtualbatt [12:52] virtual batts [12:52] o_O [12:52] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] mancha: did we do a telepathy now ? [12:52] mayhaps. both in silly moods so its possible [12:53] Action: init[0] indeed slackers are alike [12:53] i was planning to change my nick , [12:53] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:53] any suggestion? [12:54] no idea, but it's serious time for a while now... [12:54] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [12:54] init[3] :P [12:55] NaCl: i already use it :) [12:55] Nick change: init[0] -> init[3] [12:55] splitter! [12:55] init[3] is multiuser now. :P [12:55] yes indeed [12:55] theblackbox: my nick ? [12:56] ;) [12:56] theblackbox: do you use blackbox ? [12:56] or fluxbox ? [12:56] just something I like to yell at people from time to time..... no I don't I'm a thorough kde whore [12:57] been meaning to try a different one ever since I came in here, but I got lost and couldn't find my way out [12:57] lol,yea your nick convey that you are a kde guy ;P [12:57] ;) [12:59] to tell the trooth though I'm still lagging behind in 12.2 world.... need to get my ass into gear and do a lot of house keeping =S [12:59] s/oo/u/o_O [13:00] theblackbox: aah,so you are family guy :) [13:00] Action: Camarade_Tux hands theblackbox a vacuum cleaner [13:00] ha, no way, just a lazy bastard with too much else to do [13:01] init[4]: you forget to give me my pocket money -_- [13:01] Camarade_Tux: have you seen the movie the french film the science of sleep ? [13:01] Action: theblackbox inspects it before determining it to be a new form of crustacean life and boiling it [13:01] the french film* [13:03] Camarade_Tux: i'm still in 3 , last time by mistake fell in to 4 ! [13:03] Camarade_Tux: an you tricked me :-/ [13:03] s/an/and/ [13:03] hmmm, nm is giving me a weird output [13:03] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [13:04] mad_ (n=mad@brsg-d9beef78.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Hi everyone [13:04] mad_: hi,are you ok ? [13:05] init[3]: nope, haven't see it [13:05] hi mad_ [13:05] i've been better :) [13:05] i have troubles compiling a program that needs Qt [13:05] _Xebasco_ (n=xebasco@pc-142-215-120-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Camarade_Tux: fail! [13:05] i get checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt [13:05] _Xebasco_ (n=xebasco@pc-142-215-120-200.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware. [13:06] mad_: looks like a kde3 app [13:06] init[3]: he :P [13:06] i have these lib, so i pointed to them wih --with-qt-libraries=/opt/kde3/lib/qt3/lib/ [13:06] mad_: which slackware version? [13:06] 13 [13:07] mad_: have you exported a different PATH? [13:07] no [13:08] mad_: I think it has files (like qmake) in /opt/kde3/bin, check for that [13:08] so it'd be PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH [13:08] but you may have name collision issues [13:08] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:09] icy1 (n=Administ@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] ion_ (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Nick change: ion_ -> retr0 [13:11] cool - hulu desktop is rather interesting. works with adobe flash plugin 10 on slack64 [13:12] (flash 64-bit) [13:13] did you use the .deb or .rpm? [13:13] rpm2tgz - then made an empty intsall/doinst.sh [13:14] afternoon, gentlemen/gentleladies [13:14] slackbuild needs some work :) but it includes a hulu desktop icon for /usr/share/applications in the multimedia subsection [13:14] ah, neat :) [13:14] didn't work [13:16] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [13:16] glups @ the requirements for hulu desktop: 2GB ram? [13:18] mm, I don't see that anywhere [13:19] well, I've got 1G plus desktop effects and it works fine [13:19] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] plus I haven't figured out what the version is yet [13:20] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:21] it also has hooks for lirc and mouse/keyboard interactions [13:21] yay i got hulu to work \o/ [13:21] ok - have to go to Help ->About->Version to find it's host version 0.9.3 and swf version 0.9.10.3 [13:22] Camarade_Tux: Exporting the path didn't work [13:22] alright, what media player is good? the new amarok is a steaming pile of crap, and i'm done with it. [13:23] Camarade_Tux: i can post the config.log if that helps [13:23] hello happy people [13:23] mad_: you have a config.log file? =) [13:23] ;) [13:23] hi nyRednek [13:23] Camarade_Tux, how goes it? [13:23] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] or perhaps there is an easy way to run the old amarok? [13:23] nyRednek: happy, some code of mine is working again :) [13:23] nyRednek: nad you? [13:23] Camarade_Tux: Yes, why? [13:24] mad_: pastebin it ;) [13:24] amazon10x: mplayer? =P [13:24] Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.com/m774bd5d6 [13:24] Camarade_Tux: ha, i mean for my mp3 collection [13:25] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Camarade_Tux, building the list from studios [13:25] amazon10x: currently [13:25] "Playing Lofofora - Discographie complète (9cds)/Lofofora - 1999 - Dur Comme Fer/Lofofora - 12 - PMGBO.mp3" ;-) [13:26] nyRednek: moving? [13:26] Camarade_Tux: playing from mplayer? [13:27] mad_: well, conftest.cc:6:34: error: private/qucomextra_p.h: No such file or directory [13:27] you have that file? [13:27] Camarade_Tux, i'm on slack64 now, multilib [13:27] mad_: also, you're on 64bit? [13:27] and it thrilled me to no end that wine built and works properly [13:27] nyRednek: he, I should make it multilib too [13:27] nyRednek: there is no reason it shouldn't work ;) [13:28] amazon10x: sure :) [13:28] Camarade_Tux, i know...i'm easily amused [13:28] Camarade_Tux: No, i don't have conftest [13:28] Action: thrice` tries writing a hulu desktop slackbuild [13:28] Camarade_Tux: i'm on 32bit [13:28] mad_: no, not confest, qucomextra_p.h [13:28] you know how hard it is to find a psychologist who takes your insurance on staten island? [13:29] oh [13:29] wth, rhythmbox is only at version 0.12.5. I thought it was a mature application by now [13:29] but I have to leave, need to wash and buy some food to survive through the week-end [13:29] Camarade_Tux: /opt/kde3/lib/qt3/include/private/qucomextra_p.h [13:29] amazon10x: 0.12.5 isn't high enough for you to judge it? [13:30] amazon10x, it is a mature app [13:30] x10 that version # for him [13:30] ahh, ok [13:31] in my mind, i think that version # < 1.0 is still in heavy development and non-stabe [13:31] stable* [13:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:31] oh well. but there doesn't seem to be a slackbuild for it [13:31] amazon10x, sometimes that is the case... [13:31] mad_: how did you build qt3? [13:31] amazon10x, some other times, not so much [13:31] i guess VLC should've taught me better :P [13:31] amazon10x, i think gsb has a slackbuild for it [13:31] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [13:32] ardour is building....bwahahaha [13:32] Camarade_Tux: installed it with slackware, didn't build it [13:34] unfortunately I don't have the time to really take a look at it, what are you trying to build? [13:35] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [13:35] newbieslacker (n=luis@190.229.184.128) joined ##slackware. [13:35] newbieslacker (n=luis@190.229.184.128) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] Camarade_Tux: bbconf [13:37] mad_: ouch, forget what I said, the .h is not the error [13:37] hmmm, actually it is :D [13:37] adeodatus (n=rm@92.85.214.72) joined ##slackware. [13:38] willy (n=Willy@190.101.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [13:39] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.112.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders where firebird is, he *can't* have a life! [13:40] it is FORBIDDEN for a slacker to have a life [13:41] especially when I want to tell him something :D [13:41] someone kill me please. [13:41] samba is being a whore. [13:41] pkill lee__ [13:41] Action: nyRednek drops a safe on lee__ [13:41] Action: Camarade_Tux installpkgs samba \o/ [13:42] hope she doesn't take too much [13:42] it's installed .. just can't connect [13:42] restarting the config process to see if I can work it out. [13:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-196.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:42] just annoying .. would much prefer spending my time on something else. [13:44] mad__ (n=mad@brsg-d9bef84d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [13:45] siderov (n=siderov@e176071030.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] somebody knows when is kde4.3 in the current? [13:49] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [13:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:51] hi evrybody o/ [13:52] fire|bird: ! [13:52] does someone other than slacky have a slackbuild for zynaddsubfx, specimen, and mxml? [13:53] fire|bird: I've almost completed what I needed for my browser \o/ [13:53] and this time it's really "almost" \o/ [13:53] Camarade_Tux: Awesome [13:53] sgoy (n=cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] hello [13:54] http://github.com/abrouwers/ajb_slackbuilds/tree/master/huludesktop/ :) [13:54] huludesktop? [13:55] thrice`: slack or slack64? [13:55] should do both [13:55] alisonken1home: both [13:55] zaltekk - cool window for watching hulu shows [13:55] hulu.com [13:55] yeah, i was just checking to be sure that is what it was saying [13:55] i wonder if it will let me get good fullscreen performance [13:55] I just installed slackware and I´d like to install grub. So I installed it in chroot environment (/mnt) but my boot partition is on /dev/sda1 and when I chroot /mnt grub cannot find my boot partition [13:56] mad_ (n=mad@brsg-d9beef78.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] before you chrooted, did you bind /proc and /sys? [13:56] nop [13:57] you may also need to bind /dev as well (not sure since it's been a while [13:57] ) [13:58] this maybe a silly n0ob question [13:58] but what is the point of mounting grub in a chroot environment ? [13:59] if you're installing to a different disk than the one you're running on would be my guess [13:59] now that's funny, now configure showed no error message [13:59] alisonken1home: this is one disk but /sys qnd /proc is already bind (on /mnt/sys, /mnt/proc) [14:00] at first it complained about missing libs and headers, so i did ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/lib/qt/include/Qt --with-qt-libraries=/opt/kde3/lib/ [14:00] Scuzz: this is not what I´m talking about... [14:00] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:01] which gave me (library qt-mt) not found. [14:01] now i simply used ./configure and it worked :) [14:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.48) joined ##slackware. [14:08] sgoy (n=cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:08] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Action: hitest waves to fire|bird [14:11] mad_ (n=mad@brsg-d9befc04.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] [Nobody] (n=BomberBa@user-54464f96.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:14] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF10ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [14:18] [Nobody] (n=BomberBa@user-54464f96.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Ojg (n=org@c-83-233-59-82.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] hey hitest, how are you? [14:20] willy (n=Willy@190.101.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left ##slackware ("Buscando algo que hacer XD"). [14:21] I am very well, fire|bird, ty:) how are you/ [14:21] ? [14:21] gah [14:21] :) [14:21] fire|bird, didn't eviljames say something about zyn the other day? [14:22] hitest: I am excellent, thank you. [14:22] yw:) [14:22] nyRednek: yeah, he installed on his system and wasn't having any issues with it. We don't have a slackbuild in our repo for it though, I'm not sure if he made one or not. [14:23] Action: hitest wanders off to the shower, be back later... [14:23] mad__ (n=mad@brsg-d9bef84d.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:23] Action: Camarade_Tux comes back from the tub \o/ [14:23] :) [14:23] fire|bird, ok... [14:24] except it's 8pm here ;) [14:24] fire|bird, i'll try to make a slackbuild for it and possibly submit it to sbo [14:25] ok [14:27] adeodatus (n=rm@92.85.214.72) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:30] comrad, russia lost! [14:30] mad__ (n=mad@brsg-d9bee089.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] jeev, did they? take a look around you...seems the us has reached socialism [14:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091010104533940 [14:33] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.57) joined ##slackware. [14:33] hi there! [14:33] wb metrofox [14:33] hi init[3] =) how is going there? [14:34] nyRednek, were you born stupid or did it take a while to get that way [14:34] aah as usual :) [14:34] jeev: did you figure out your php issue? [14:34] yea man [14:34] im slowly learning ;) [14:34] aah,nice ;) [14:34] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] yeah, learning... [14:35] jeev: django is also a good try [14:35] jeev, phrase it this way, compare everyday life in US to everyday life in soviet union before collapse...instead of throwing an insult, refute the argument [14:35] i dont think i'm interested in any framework [14:35] nyRednek, i was talking about football. [14:35] hi fire|bird [14:35] ciao deco_ [14:35] ah then nvm ;) [14:35] hi metrofox [14:35] nyRednek, where are you from? born in america ? [14:36] ciao metrofox :) [14:36] Action: init[3] pour water on fire|bird tail [14:36] lol [14:36] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:36] yea init[3], i hate framework [14:36] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Action: fire|bird pours hot lava on init[3]'s head. [14:36] jeev: but there is reason for that, [14:36] :O [14:37] Action: init[3] /o\ aaaaaaaaaaaaah :-/ [14:37] it's just best for me to learn everything myself, then if one day i need to resort to using framework, then i will [14:37] jeev: that's the way :) [14:37] but i think it's the opposite way...... anyway, learning to actually code it is the best. [14:37] deco deco [14:37] jeev: ok,your choice :) [14:37] jeev jeev [14:38] init[3], unless if you're forcing me.. [14:38] hacfed (n=fed@host86-140-255-134.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] jeev: with python? [14:38] deco_: is that your nick or ghost ? [14:38] huh zaltekk [14:38] framework for what? [14:38] jeev: i'm not M$ [14:38] Action: init[3] :D [14:38] jonsmith1982, php framework stuff [14:38] init[3]: dunno , watch the science of sleep [14:39] jeev: oh, i thought django was python-related [14:39] no idear [14:39] deco_:has it released ? [14:39] *Science of sleep :D [14:39] jeev: gotcha. i must have missed the beginning of hte convo [14:39] just talking about learning to code.. [14:39] php at least. [14:39] init[3]: ..... [14:39] I'd say php is losing ground in the new web 2.0, try perl or python. [14:39] deco_: ;) [14:40] jonsmith1982: yeah right [14:40] hmmmm, perl.. never! python, mebbe. [14:40] deco_, sarcasm? [14:40] jonsmith1982: no [14:40] k [14:41] jonsmith1982: maybe actually [14:41] i dunn anymore [14:41] stop messing with my mind [14:41] you have to have one to mess with first. :P [14:41] fire|bird: ..... [14:41] [14:41] haha..... [14:42] mad_ (n=mad@brsg-d9befc04.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] deco_: you sure use alot of "......." [14:42] :P [14:43] I think you're probably now the record holder. [14:43] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-229-145.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:43] fire|bird: it helps me express myself ok...... [14:43] sir yes sir [14:43] deco_: yea the pain .. [14:43] more ... more pain [14:43] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-253-78.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] init[3]: .....nvm [14:44] ....... [14:44] ....... [14:44] ..... [14:44] .. [14:44] . [14:44] ..... [14:44] ........ [14:44] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.176.230) joined ##slackware. [14:44] ,, [14:44] .. [14:44] y0 agentc0re (or should I say, toe nail-less wonder) :P [14:44] hey thrice` [14:45] yes, i am a wonder :P [14:45] hey fire|bird [14:45] how's itgoin? [14:45] going excellent, thanks. you? [14:45] good :) messing with hulu-desktop, per agentc0re's recommendation :) [14:46] thrice`: Yeah, I seen you post a slackbuild earlier. I had been messing with it in an Ubuntu VM. [14:46] the horror! [14:46] my cpu can't keep with with hulu desktop that well but still watchable..... :( [14:46] indeed [14:46] i what? [14:46] hulu desktop? [14:46] err, alisonken1home * [14:47] Ah. [14:47] lol [14:47] sorry :) [14:47] thrice`: you think that's a horror, try Ubuntu + gnome3, OMG. :P [14:47] Sure i recommended that... ya.. I know what it is.. [14:47] Action: agentc0re wonders how many he had to drink last night [14:47] :P [14:47] agentc0re: more than enough? [14:47] thrice`, you're so fat you need a rascal to drive you around [14:48] jeev, that doesn't even make sense [14:48] how? [14:48] you tell me! [14:48] rascals are large or something? [14:48] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] http://www.it-takes-work.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/fat-scooter-227x300.jpg [14:48] no, it just looks funny [14:48] seriously.. If i was to insult people like that all day i think i'd get ban'd eventually. [14:49] ..... [14:49] Nick change: deco_ -> deco [14:49] deco deco [14:49] not your best work jeev [14:49] jeev jeev [14:49] true :/ [14:49] thrice`, yo working today [14:49] on saturday? heavens no [14:50] it's against my morals [14:50] heh [14:50] i have no morals.... [14:50] we know deco [14:50] jeev: ^-^ [14:51] dood these PCI compliance things are so stupid [14:51] heh [14:53] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] fire|bird: why are messing with ubuntu in vm ? :P [14:55] I'm crazy? ;) [14:56] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] fire|bird: thought that was me :/ [14:56] Yeah, you're a bad influence. :/ [14:56] fire|bird: yup just look at you now..... [14:56] I try not to, it's scary. [15:01] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [15:05] good evening [15:05] guten tag [15:05] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:05] lol scared him with my german [15:05] haha [15:11] conffrey (n=dario@151.59.24.83) left irc: "Sto andando via" [15:11] slackie_ (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:11] deco: you really scared him away, he hasn't come back. :P [15:12] damn right :P [15:12] deco, that's true... gatto isn't back yet :O [15:12] slackie_ (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] german is just too powerfull ... mauahahahah [15:14] it's too powerfull when you write it, if I write that I wouldn't scare anybody :D [15:14] :D [15:15] well... What's new? [15:15] hmmmm nothing much... [15:15] I'm looking for news to read about slackware/linux in general... If there's nothing new I'm gonna read FreeBSD handbook :P [15:16] metrofox: freebsd handbook is a good read :P [15:16] deco, obviously... If I wanna install FreeBSD I must read that or I won't be able to install it... [15:17] Installation task is also well documented but if you're prepared you'll install it better and you'll know what to do during post-installation [15:18] yeah, i installed it once in VM [15:18] deco, was it good or you got issues? [15:18] metrofox: perfect [15:19] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] deco, oh well... I'm less scared now :D [15:19] wertik_ (n=wertik@95-27-176-64.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:19] metrofox: hehe, well it's easy , :) [15:19] very logical [15:19] deco, is it easy? :P [15:20] metrofox: yes :P if you know slackware it's a peace of cake :P [15:20] ah well, better! [15:21] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:21] You're encouraging me to install it :P I'll do it when I'll have free time, I only hope to install it well without touching other HDs... [15:21] metrofox: yeah :P [15:21] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:23] Action: metrofox is looking for news before reading [15:23] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: "work" [15:23] uhm... koffice 2.1 beta 3 [15:23] blah, i use openoffice :P [15:24] yeah, I'm not interested about koffice and *office in general, I just don't use them... [15:25] i only use them when someone sends me a doc :P [15:25] people should be sending pdfs.... [15:25] deco, I try to convert them to txt :P [15:25] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.176.230) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:25] metrofox: haha :P [15:26] deco, doc2txt [15:26] seems to work... [15:26] hmmm never tried it [15:28] that looks good, it also works on windows and Mac...(it seems to be working on those platforms too, not sure at all) [15:28] bah, just start using LaTeX :P [15:29] or lyX [15:29] mad__ (n=mad@brsg-d9bee089.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:29] or that, yup. :) [15:29] or something else easy to read :P [15:29] It'll be easier to get used to lateX [15:29] yeah latex rocks [15:30] yeah... [15:30] i like the feeling of it... [15:30] oh wait [15:30] that's what she said [15:30] lol [15:30] lol [15:30] you just painted yourself into that corner, didn't ya. :P [15:31] fire|bird: :P [15:31] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] oh well... I'm so bored right now... [15:33] hoho` (n=hooh@190.166.139.179) joined ##slackware. [15:33] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:33] metrofox: ha italy got spain out of the young world cup :P [15:33] deco, didn't know that, that's a good news :P [15:33] metrofox: :P i forgot the age .... [15:33] under 21 ? [15:34] yep... [15:34] ok yeah [15:34] nooper_, under 20 maybe... [15:34] deco: metrofox is 14 :P [15:34] deco, under 20 [15:34] ok [15:34] fire|bird: :P [15:34] 21 here i can't qualify anymore ;( [15:34] sorry nooper_ I had to write: nope, lol... tab is also dangerous... [15:34] lol [15:34] haha [15:34] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] Italia batte Spagna 3-1(that's what has been written in the papers :P Italy defeats Spain 3-1) [15:36] yeah [15:36] newspaper I mean :P [15:37] deco, Ireland is right now winning versus Italy... [15:38] metrofox: oh lol [15:39] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC300BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:39] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [15:39] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] greetings ands alutations [15:39] oh someone sucks at spelling too :P [15:40] i have hope \o/ [15:40] greetings andarius, how are you? [15:40] hi andarius [15:40] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ? [15:40] salutations metrofox [15:40] deco: yeah, but like this |-| much. :P [15:41] andarius: I am great, thank you. I'm just messing with an irssi script. [15:41] andarius, really fire|bird is fighting against an irssi script... [15:41] fire|bird: ..... [15:41] deco: WHAT?!?!? [15:41] :D [15:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:42] deco: Am I pissing you off-fa-fa [15:42] :D [15:42] off-fa-fa... that sounds new... [15:42] fire|bird: ..... T_T [15:42] metrofox: Ever seen/heard of Jeff Dunham? [15:42] nope [15:42] who's Jeff Dunham? [15:42] He's a ventriloquist [15:42] uh... [15:42] maybe yes [15:42] fire|bird: .... [15:42] he's my ginecologyst [15:43] winter: \o/ [15:43] One of his characters is Peanut, and one of Peanut's phrases is "Am I pissing you off-fa-fa" [15:43] didn't know that, thank you :P [15:43] and, fwiw, it's Gynochologist, not ginecologyst. [15:44] fire|bird: shuddap [15:44] winter, is he also a gynecologist? [15:44] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] fire|bird, gynecologist [15:44] he's a genious :O [15:44] metrofox: haha [15:44] he understood all about life... [15:45] metrofox: In November some time, he's going to have his own show on TV. [15:45] fire|bird, what's the show's name? [15:45] nyRednek: ah crap, :P. Thanks. [15:45] metrofox: The Jeff Dunham Show [15:45] what a fantasy :P [15:45] lol [15:46] i don't really watch tv :( [15:46] Apparently his creative team, isn't, well, all that creative. What a title. :P [15:46] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:46] fire|bird, the problem is that I don't know where to view his shows... [15:46] metrofox: I'm not sure either, yet. [15:46] I'm not sure what network it will be on. [15:47] what do you all think of banshee? anyone here used it? [15:47] amazon10x: hate it [15:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] deco: bummer. for ui reasons? [15:47] it's hard to view an american show on an Italian television, because of: unknown network and time zone too... [15:47] amazon10x: yeah ... [15:48] amazon10x: I don't mind it, it needs mono and some gnome stuff. [15:48] amazon10x: try audacious if you haven't [15:48] fire|bird: yeah, i already had mono; but i'm building a bunch of gnome stuff now [15:48] amazon10x, try cmus [15:48] deco: googling now [15:48] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: "Quitting" [15:48] amazon10x: it's already installed if you installed the whole slackware dvd [15:48] amazon10x: banshee is a headache [15:48] amazon10x: yeah, that's the pain with it, all the gnome stuff it needs. :P [15:48] rk4n3_ (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [15:48] I've been using xfmedia lately. [15:49] metrofox: looking for something with a gui [15:49] fire|bird:are you back to xfce? [15:49] amazon10x, amarok? songbird? [15:49] yeah, audacious is on here [15:49] i hate the new amarok [15:49] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:49] jgor_ (n=jgor@174.143.174.190) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Instaine1_Atom (n=BadAtom@badatom.org) joined ##slackware. [15:49] init[3]: last night and today, yeah. Lightweight and Fast. ;) [15:49] audacious looks pretty minimal [15:49] trr [15:49] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [15:49] try exaile [15:49] fire|bird: can you tell my moto if you don't mind ? [15:50] winter: i used that a long time ago; is it stabling up yet? [15:50] spectre1 (n=kyle@pool-173-54-180-207.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] amazon10x: It is, and comes with slack. ;) [15:50] yes, it's quite stable imo [15:50] i don't think audacious will work; i need something to manage my library and playlists, and to interface to my mp3 player [15:50] alright winter, i'll grab it now [15:50] should i get the release, or svn [15:50] http://ucc.asn.au/~dictator/qdb/index.cgi?id=48 [15:50] amazon10x, tried songbird? [15:50] amazon10x: try jukebox [15:51] do i rule or what? [15:51] metrofox: songbird is that itunes looking player, right? i haven't used it. i wouldn't mind checking it out though [15:51] spook: is that from NF? [15:51] spook: indeed [15:52] amazon10x, mmm... yes it is... I checked it out just to see how that works... That's easy and intuitive.. The worst thing is that it looks like iTunes [15:52] init[3]: no thats from me. [15:52] wertik_ (n=wertik@95-27-176-64.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] amazon10x: Yes, it is. SBo has it. If you do try it, let me know if you get a gstreamer error with it and it won't start. [15:52] spook: ;) [15:53] songbird is bloated [15:53] i don't want a browser inside my media player ok ? :P [15:53] how so? [15:53] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] lol [15:53] deco, that's true... [15:53] metrofox: yup :) [15:53] deco: take it to #emacs [15:53] i cbf sleeping. [15:53] i don't use that beast [15:53] what should i do? [15:53] lol [15:54] alright, i'm going to give exaile a try. if it sucks i'll check out songbird [15:54] amazon10x, that's probably sucks too... [15:54] all wings check in [15:54] but you know... people think different [15:55] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-8-121.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "H" [15:55] oh right, i was gonna make a git repo for my slackbuilds. [15:57] NetrixTa1dis (n=leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] MarderIII (n=MarderII@83.162.26.38) joined ##slackware. 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[16:08] no, Ubuntu actually [16:08] retr0 (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] fire|bird: nah debian's ubuntu's guinea pig [16:09] that was weird... [16:09] lol [16:10] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ldbrrmirzpecbrvj) joined ##slackware. [16:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:14] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl3-225-186.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:15] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ldbrrmirzpecbrvj) left irc: "Page closed" [16:15] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux [16:15] Camarade_Tux: \o/ [16:15] hahaha, I knew somebody would notice me ;) [16:15] deco: <3 [16:15] but I'm leaving ;) [16:16] Camarade_Tux: mon amour ;-) [16:16] :P [16:16] Camarade_Tux: nooo! [16:16] Camarade_Tux: so yes ? [16:16] Camarade_Tux: it's saturday.... [16:16] yep ;) [16:16] Camarade_Tux: omg , \o/ finally! [16:17] arg make [16:17] Makefile:3: *** missing separator. Stop. line 3 is " tar -czf gtk-vnc.tar.gz gtk-vnc" [16:18] Camarade_Tux: Je n'ai pas connu d'autre garcon que toi :P [16:18] english only. [16:19] spook: jealous... [16:19] Action: jeev likes horde/imp [16:19] what do you guys use [16:19] deco: i can speak a few languages but this channel is english only [16:19] deco, im gonna try to break into my site today to see if i can do any injections or xss shit [16:19] or whatever it's called [16:21] jeev: i know.. just messing im not actually having a conversation [16:21] in another language [16:21] LnxSlck (n=bruno@213.13.225.186) joined ##slackware. [16:21] y0 LnxSlck [16:21] jeev: heh, any luck ? [16:21] yo fire|bird [16:21] hello happy slackers [16:21] LnxSlck: What was that fix for songbird you gave me a couple weeks ago? I forgot it. :P [16:22] it seems the new perl package from current, causes xchat not to load [16:22] jeev: opps ment spook sorry [16:22] Can't locate File/Spec.pm in @INC [16:22] ANY HELP [16:22] fire|bird: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } SB_GST_SYSTEM=true ./songbird [16:22] thank you. [16:22] fire|bird: SB_GST_SYSTEM=true ./songbird [16:22] you probably need to re-make xchat so it uses the new @INC [16:22] that's the one [16:22] great, thanks. [16:22] mancha: you mean, removepkg xchat and install it again? [16:23] no, i mean compile it from source [16:23] Bassist (n=bass@93.133.104.135) joined ##slackware. [16:23] mancha: crap [16:23] that's bad [16:23] yeah, the way perl was deployed on -current was probably not the best for the end user [16:24] mancha: i also have issues with irssi, i'm not sure if they're related [16:24] yes, same issue [16:24] mancha: it just doesn't start or anything [16:24] damn [16:24] you could either re-make the perl stuff that broke, or "upgrade" back to the older perl [16:24] mancha: i could just install an older version of perl right? [16:25] right [16:25] yeah, upgradepkg new_perl%old_perl or summit [16:25] mancha: where can i find the old perl package? on the 13.0 mirror? [16:26] Lnx, i assume so, or on your dvd/cd/whatev [16:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:27] Lnx, think of "developers, developers". right, it should be in "d" [16:27] someone remind me; bash_profile executes when you log in via console / ssh and bashrc if you shell from xWin - or just the opposite? [16:27] lee, _profile is sourced when the shell is a "login" shell [16:27] mancha: right.. first i'll se if i can fix this. instead of going back to the older version [16:28] if it is interactive then it sources bashrc. many people don't care about the difference and source each from the other. caveat emptor, there's a reason for the distinction. [16:28] mancha: I'm a little slow, so by "login" shell .. you mean via console / remote ? [16:29] Lnx, whichever, both ways should get you back to working perl-based irc clients. [16:29] as apposed to shelling to command line under xWin? [16:29] mancha: but the problem with the new perl package could be avoided? [16:29] wat is xWin? [16:29] Lnx, how do you mean? [16:31] Lnx, it's hard, basically the algo is: if (upgradeing perl) then (upgrade the apps that'll break) else (dont) [16:31] mariocki (n=mariocki@cpc4-bagu10-0-0-cust675.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] We know some perl stuff needs rebuilt. It will happen soonish. [16:31] xWin == CDE, GNOME, KDE, etc [16:31] In the meantime, it's -current. If you're using it for a system that you *must* have, the problem isn't on this end. [16:32] rworkman: yes no problem [16:32] lee, okay, your question is hard to answer. basically, it depends on how bash (or other shell) is called. say you open an xterm, xterm has flags to make it login or interactive [16:32] mancha: and it's complicated by the fact that Pat patches kde's konsole to start an interactive shell by default. [16:33] I guess the difference between login and interactive would be the useful information then [16:33] rwork, i see, i am not a kde (l)user :) [16:33] For everything but konsole, opening an X terminal gives you a non-interactive shell (and thus only $HOME/.bashrc is sourced) [16:33] MarderIII (n=MarderII@83.162.26.38) left ##slackware. [16:33] mancha: right, but lots of people converting from kde to e.g. xfce get confused [16:33] true is, I don't have any xWin mgr's installed .. just trying to learn [16:33] rwork, i gave up on emailing pat btw [16:34] whyzat? [16:34] psh, don't give us the "-current's supposed to be broken" crap. [16:34] dunno, i emailed him the gnutls vulnerability stuff (i even made a patch for his ver!) zilch...no answer and no sec update [16:34] thrice`: it's not *supposed* to be broken, but it's not entirely unexpected either. [16:34] come to think of it, I should use the TIAS method to learn the difference in my case. [16:34] it'd be more accurage. [16:34] thrice`: in this case, it seems that perl's @INC compat dirs isn't working as expected. [16:35] accurate that is .. [16:35] how ironic. [16:35] rworkman: right; I'll kind of agree there; these things are pretty rare, I'd say [16:35] also -current is probably a way for the devs to find out what breaks, algo being: if (people bitch) then isbroken=true; [16:35] (that Pat would release a new perl, without also accomodating packages) [16:35] lee__: basically, a login shell sources $HOME/.profile for bourne-family shells (in bash, .bash_profile can be used instead of .profile) [16:36] rwork, so i gave up on emailing security-related issues (i have a few more) [16:36] thanks guys [16:36] lee__: for non-interactive shells (non-login), bash will source $HOME/.bashrc or whatever file is specified by the value of BASH_ENV [16:37] rworkman: well, if someone knows how to fix that, without going back to the old perl package, let me know ;) [16:37] rworkman: I think I'm just a little confused as to what a non-interactive shell actually is .. example? [16:37] lee__: for other bourne-family shells (e.g. ksh), nothing is sourced on non-interactive shells unless ENV is set (in which case the value of ENV is sourced) [16:37] rwork, actually non-interactive==login [16:37] lee__: when you login, you have an interactive (login) shell. [16:37] cyborg-one (n=iceknigh@nas-12-053.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] it is login vs interactive [16:37] er, yah [16:38] let's use "login" vs "non-login" :) [16:38] agreed, cleaner. [16:38] LnxSlck: recompile the results of "grep 5.10.0 /var/log/packages/* | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq" [16:38] cool .. but does anyone have an example of a non-login shell? [16:38] lee__: yes, run "xterm" from inside X :) [16:38] xterm defaults to non-loging [16:38] would that be something like an app that shells to execute a script? [16:38] as does xfce's Terminal [16:38] non-login [16:38] lee__: yes [16:39] I see .. cool .. just never see them myself [16:39] thrice`: re perl, yes, it was fully expected that nothing would break, because "5.10.0" is in @INC [16:39] Of course, we were wrong. Even worse, not sure why. [16:39] thrice`: you mean, get the source and recompile everything? [16:39] rworkman: well, 5.10.0 footprints are still ugly :> [16:39] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [16:39] agreed [16:40] LnxSlck: easier to downgrade perl until the rebuilds come out. It's quite a few [16:41] mancha: I don't know one way or the other (re the security mails), but I'm guessing that Pat's assessment of the severity/impact is not the same as yours. [16:41] rworkman: agreed [16:41] rworkman: so there will be other perl package, that doesn't have this issue? [16:43] mirage77 (n=mirage@91.144.148.33) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:45] LnxSlck: no idea. I suspect that the fix will be rebuilds to the other things [16:46] mirage77 (n=mirage@91.144.148.33) left ##slackware. [16:46] thanks again guys. [16:46] rworkman: ok [16:47] rworkman: it's good to know that the problem is "alive" and the solution will come either way [16:48] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.16.135) joined ##slackware. [16:48] rwork, well there's only been one so far...and that didn't work out :) [16:48] hi mr.rworkman =) [16:49] i agree, easiest is probably an nice "upgrade" back down [16:50] that's what i did [16:50] but it would be nice to keep the new perl package and solve everything else without a recompile [16:51] that's not how it works ;) [16:51] i can think of many other things that would be nice, you've heard about the apps being rolled out from someone in pat's inner circle, so we can close that thread, ayup? [16:51] for now, you have two choices, and only two: 1) downgrade perl 2) take the time to rebuild the stuff that broke [16:52] mmm... Italian post site has been hacked... -.-" [16:52] thrice`: is it possible for someone to recompile those packages that "uses" the new perl, and submit them to -current? [16:53] thrice`: so that then when someone installs the new perl, would be advise to also install those "re-packaged" apps? [16:53] no :) Pat will do it very soon, I'd guess [16:53] i doubt pat will distribute binaries he didn't compile himself [16:53] you could be a cyber terrorist you now [16:53] mancha, yes, Pat won't =) [16:54] thrice`: ok, i'm just trying to figure out how things work, in the devel worl [16:54] world [16:58] metrofox: ola :) [16:58] ola is portuguese [16:58] yup [16:58] yep :) [16:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:59] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] ^_^ hi folks ^_^ can anyone explain general idea of how to make e-mail accounts@domain.com for example info@example.com , feedback@example.com , sales@example.com...........can do this with mail service like smtp or what ? or create real accounts on the system ?yup [17:01] o_O [17:01] smtp is a protocol. you need a daemon. there are many ways to do that, a simple way is with real lusers [17:02] what is the suitable tutorials [17:03] the mta you pick, will route the emails to the local lusers. there are concepts known as "aliases" which will send many different accounts to one luser [17:03] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:03] say you want sales@, support@, and questions@ to go to my_luser@my_box then you would use an alias table [17:03] The fact that you're asking these questions says that you're not ready to run a mail server yet. :) [17:04] different mta's implement these concepts differently. sendmail uses tables that get hashed [17:04] but it's ok...they asked with not one but two ^_^....so it's all good [17:05] :) [17:05] The fact that you're asking these questions says that you're not ready to run a mail server yet. :) i am new user :-) ...... you can say level zero :-) [17:05] AEnima15771 (n=clbarnob@h80ad271b.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:05] eng-ms_: no shame in that [17:06] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-227.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] eng-ms, step one is probably to pick an mta. then delve into their docs/howtos/tutorials [17:06] as good as irc chat is, it's not gonna get you from 0-60mph in 5 seconds on this issue [17:07] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [17:10] jpg (n=jg@host86-177-213-104.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] davanger (n=davanger@95.61.66.125) joined ##slackware. [17:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] can someone let me know how I compile a X86_64 kernel? [17:11] davanger: Choose the processor type accordingly [17:11] thats all? [17:11] davanger: if you're on a 64-bit system, it'll default to 64-bit kernel [17:11] davanger, do you run slackware64? [17:11] i just installed 13 [17:11] and its running X86_64 [17:11] davanger: Under "Processor Type and features" you should find only 64-bit processors [17:12] well... just type "make bzImage" [17:12] and it'll compile for your arch [17:12] where will it be? arch/i386? [17:12] no [17:12] arch/x86_64 [17:12] arch/boot/x86/bzImage [17:12] and linked to arch/boot/x86_64 [17:13] Nick change: rgouveia1 -> rgouveia [17:13] make modules builds X86_64 by default? [17:13] davanger, anything you compile will be compiled as x86_64 by default... [17:14] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "leaving" [17:15] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] under CPUs I choose Generic X86_64 or Core 2? [17:15] it depends by your processor [17:16] I have an intel Cored Duo [17:16] core* [17:16] core2duo? [17:16] yes [17:16] then, select core2 :) [17:16] davanger, lspci -vv for more info about your hardware =) [17:16] the generic x86_64 would be used if you were, say, distributing your kernel to someone else [17:16] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:18] i'll just wait for the compile to be done and see if I have arch\boot\X86_64 [17:19] davanger, / instead of \... [17:19] use slashes and not backlashes, we're not running win [17:19] ;) [17:20] haha [17:21] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving." [17:21] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [17:21] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [17:22] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] jpg (n=jg@host86-177-213-104.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:23] mm... Now sbopkg(svn) works with bash 4 =) [17:23] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:23] festivals|clockers [17:23] er, fire|bird [17:23] awake? [17:23] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [17:24] bash 4 sounds scary, any neat highlights from the changelog vs bash 3? [17:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "lets see what stupid remark you come up with today..." [17:26] recursive globbing and better ipc with bg procs were things i was waiting for....wonder what else is there [17:26] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [17:27] hey gregarious|hacksaw [17:27] er Urchlay [17:28] Bassist (n=bass@93.133.104.135) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:29] john_dee (n=id@93-81-140-161.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [17:32] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [17:34] LnxSlck (n=bruno@213.13.225.186) left irc: "Leaving." [17:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.225.186) joined ##slackware. [17:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn64.91-127-209.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:42] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.48) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-214-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:44] well guys... I go to bed now, it's getting to late =) [17:44] see ya later/tomorrow [17:45] good night metrofox [17:45] good day men ;) [17:45] metrofox: buona notte :) [17:45] deco, grazie deco, anche a te =) [17:45] bye ;) [17:45] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.182.57) left irc: "+-||\-" [17:45] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [17:46] deco: you done crying yet? ;) [17:46] chopp: nah still typing some more poems ;-) [17:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [17:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:51] i have ADSL with public IP address and start web and ftp on my server [in fact PC not real server i am not rich :-) ] in my home . but i am still learning and not implementing yet iptables to protect my machine [ slackware 13.0]..... can any intruder penetrate my machine ?....i use complex & long passwords with root and other users on my system [17:52] ..... [17:53] eng-ms_: Are you using a router? [17:53] when i used nmap from my local network to discover my server nmap found only port 21 ftp , 22 ssh & 80 http [17:53] eng-ms_: i would perhaps disable root logins in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [17:54] yes i have adsl router with real IP & i assigned another IP to the server [17:55] untel i fished self study [ may be between some hours to some daye ] hours [17:56] then implement firewall rules [17:58] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] what the risks and how can protect against it because now i am without firewall .........any more useful suggestions ? [17:59] eng-ms_: if NAT definitely enable the firewall in your router [17:59] eng-ms_: unless you really need it, turn off sshd [17:59] yes [18:01] my adsl router have real IP and i use it to local network & my server have another real IP [18:04] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] eng-ms_: alienBOB has an online program that will make an iptables firewall script ... good for starters [18:06] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] ok [18:06] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.91.1) joined ##slackware. [18:06] scubacuda (i=rog@240.sub-75-214-101.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] theres also spook, the iptables rulset generator [18:07] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Nick change: fire|bird1 -> phoenix^ [18:07] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [18:07] this program what its name and is thin in slackbilds [18:08] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:08] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/efg-1.17.alien.tar.gz [18:09] I'm not sure if that's the same as his online version here, but looks to be -> http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [18:10] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [18:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] ok i get the program and i will try to use it ... many thanks [18:13] <_RadioHead> evening [18:13] eng-ms_: Happy Slacking! 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[19:27] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.91.1) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] see the Samba4 story on slashdot if you havent all ready [19:29] i SO cant wait for Samba4 to become a stable and tangible drop-in for MS AD [19:31] macavity: gonna read it [19:32] screw it, no slackbuild, no problem...make && sudo make install [19:32] macavity: excellent, thank you. :) [19:34] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:37] gnubien (n=e@123.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] nyRednek: ditch sudo :P [19:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [19:41] macavity, why is that? [19:42] i want it in my /usr/local [19:42] yay i'm getting some real work done on linuxpmi [19:43] nyRednek: very few slackers use sudo [19:44] nyRednek: it smells like debian ;-) [19:44] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:44] spook: good :-) [19:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:44] Action: deco my precious we hates sudo [19:44] macavity: :D [19:44] macavity: I think that ubuntu fits better for that smell [19:45] [; [19:46] ^_^ in general slackware secure and robust and many benefits :-) ............ generally if the machine without firewall [ first defence line ] and with Little ports open like my case [ only 3 ports 21 , 22 & 80 ].........what are the potential dangers from outside { no risks from inside because my server run in my family home } [19:46] eng-ms: repeating yourself over and over in bad english isnt going to get your questions answered [19:48] eng-ms: make sure it silently drops all other trafic than those three ports and ICMP ECHO just to be on the safe side [19:48] and the various tcp attacks [19:48] eng-ms, clients vulnerabilities? then inside is a problem [19:50] is it not possible to forge packets to be routed beyond the router? It used to be didn't it? [19:55] qeed (n=qeed@74.235.225.168) joined ##slackware. [19:56] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] many thanks for all for time and efforts :-) [20:03] eng-ms (n=eng-ms@196.202.27.173) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] what do i need to install to get more unicode characters to show in my irc client? it doesn't display them all, just see boxes with 4 numbers in. [20:05] which irc client? Also, what font are you using? [20:06] monospace bold, xchat [20:07] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:07] I use liberation mono, and for some clients, liberation sans. You could try that, or some other font, and see if you are able to see more characters. I'm not sure what, if any, utf characters monospace supports. [20:08] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [20:08] øæåØÆÅ?®© [20:08] µ [20:09] and if you can see what macavity just wrote, you should be alright. :P [20:09] damn [20:09] actually i cant see the euro sign myself.. it just shows up as a questionmark [20:09] macavity: same here. :P [20:09] macavity: same here [20:09] lol [20:09] everything else is fine though. [20:09] maybe it is konsole/yakuake who has gotten something wrong [20:10] who cares about the Euro anyways? [20:10] :P [20:10] godling: .... [20:10] or the danish xorg keyboard layout [20:10] Those in Europe [20:10] godling: if you deal in dollars right now, you *may* want to exchange to euros before you go bankrupt ;-) [20:10] lol [20:10] haha [20:11] rumor from the financial trenches has it that the $ is about to become the µ$ so to speak [20:11] akSeya (n=eder@189.11.104.44) joined ##slackware. [20:12] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:12] isn't the US still the MAIN backing to the EU? [20:12] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-237-223.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ArTourter (n=artourte@78.86.203.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:13] maybe we should just cut you freeloaders off ;) [20:14] ..... [20:14] hi [20:14] hello [20:14] hello [20:15] macavity: I traded in all my dollars for beads [20:15] good move :) [20:15] lol [20:15] thrice`: if that was so, the euro would not be at almost two dollars right now ;-) [20:15] hi there.. guys, i have a problem in here.. in my pendrive I have an ext2 partition.. in this partition I have a filled called extlinux.sys .. this file is read only for every user, and even as root I'm not able to delete, rename or even change its permissions.. what can I do?!? [20:16] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.171.226) joined ##slackware. [20:16] you can mount it and change the ownership [20:17] even as root, you say? [20:17] thrice`, yeah.. root is the owner already... [20:17] what does "ls -l" on the file say? [20:18] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:18] -r--r--r-- 1 root root 14336 2009-06-21 15:04 extlinux.sys [20:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7dH4e8HYFA [20:18] i just love RussiaToday :-P [20:20] but seriously, I couldn't see that and I'm using Terminus. That's annoying. [20:21] akSeya: and if you try to chown it ? [20:21] Operation not permitted [20:21] chown :users /mnt/extlinux.sys or so? [20:21] you're sure it's ext2, and not vfat? :) [20:21] if I try to chown, or to chmod it, remove, rename... i always get Operation not permitted [20:21] thrice`, ext2 for sure [20:22] maybe it is mounted read only [20:22] can't seem to get sooperlooper going on slack64, any ideas? [20:22] XGizzmo, nope.. i can change other files on ther directory [20:23] just this file is stuck.. i have already fschk.ext2 the filesystem to be sure filesystem is ok [20:23] akSeya: mount grep '/mnt' <-- show output [20:23] /dev/sdd2 on /mnt/pendrive_1 type ext2 (rw) [20:23] /dev/sdd1 on /mnt/pendrive type vfat (rw) [20:23] macavity: that guys is nuts :P [20:23] akSeya: show full path to that extlinux.sys ffile [20:24] /mnt/pendrive_1/boot2/1/extlinux.sys [20:24] its ext2.. :) [20:24] :) [20:24] of course the Euro SKYROCKETS just before I leave for Germany [20:24] ls -l /mnt/pendrive_1/boot2/1/extlinux.sys ; lsattr /mnt/pendrive_1/boot2/1/extlinux.sys [20:24] i'm telling you.. this is crazy stuff going on here [20:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [20:25] but... holy water didn't solve .. [20:25] ¬ <- That shows up just fine. :P [20:25] (my pendrive is water proof) [20:25] macavity: what are you playing at? :P [20:27] i really need to setup distcc again [20:30] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [20:31] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] godling: oh, i just play the devils advocate (as usual) [20:31] note to self, always install binutils [20:31] btw, it looks like a kFreeBSD port to slackware will become possible one of these days :P [20:31] packeteer: always do full installs if you can forget something like that ;-) [20:32] yeah, i was testing something [20:34] thyagofernando (n=root@189.71.13.148) joined ##slackware. [20:35] thrice`: to Germany from where? [20:35] US? [20:35] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:35] yep [20:35] haha [20:36] that sucks :P [20:37] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@213.13.225.186) left irc: "Leaving" [20:37] thrice`: looks like you'll be eating McDonald's instead of steak. ;P [20:37] nah, work is paying :) [20:37] nice [20:37] from my end of the currency barrel the euro didnt skyrocket.. the dollar just went down the drain [20:37] I've never had a job that would pay me for traveling [20:38] (Denmark is *sigh* one of the only contries who have to be a bitch about it, and opted out of the euro) [20:38] 1 euro == 7.443 DKK [20:38] ouch [20:39] what options do i need to change in .config to make a 64bit config into 32bit? [20:40] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [20:40] macavity: Are you an expatriate living in .dk? [20:40] godling: i'm a Dane living in .dk [20:40] ok [20:40] Are you a great Dane? [20:40] :P [20:40] godling: and 7.5 per euro is perfectly normal.. its not like i can feel a damn thing price wise if i go to Germany [20:41] godling: in fact, Denmark is pretty high priced compared to the rest of the EU [20:41] its almost like Ireland [20:41] guys? [20:43] uh-huh? [20:43] macavity: is health card free in denmark? [20:43] macavity: how can i compile a 32bit kernel inside a 64bit slackware install? it seems to hardset/default to 64bit no matter what i do [20:45] gnubien: yes.. you pay a co for dental and meds, but surgery, hospital stays etc are fully free [20:45] spook: i have *no* idea [20:45] spook: but you *may* have to set up a cross compiler? [20:45] macavity: :D [20:45] (/me havent tried slackware64 yet) [20:45] macavity: why do you want to do it? [20:46] godling: what to do what? [20:46] *want [20:46] er [20:46] spook: Have both a 32 and 64bit .config? Would running diff help at all with showing what changes? (I don't know, just a guess.) [20:46] sorry, meant that for spook [20:46] fire|bird: no running 32bit slack machine atm. [20:47] godling: its complicated as to why, but its not something i actually need to run, just need to know if it compiles :) [20:47] spook: maybe diff it with a config slack uses? You could grab that from a mirror. [20:47] fire|bird: yeah true... [20:48] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [20:48] I don't know how specifically to do it on a Slackware machine but I have done it with Debian [20:48] basically you just have to setup the toolchain and the environment then compile it for a 32-bit arch [20:49] farrrrrrrk. [20:49] qeed (n=qeed@74.235.225.168) left ##slackware. [20:49] you can do it though but it can be a PITA to setup the environment [20:49] spook: what names can you call gcc with in slackware64? [20:49] davanger (n=davanger@95.61.66.125) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:49] using a 32bit config, and running make oldconfig changes it to 64 [20:49] maybe cc=i486-slackware-linux-gcc or something like that [20:49] sorry, CC= [20:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] ah yes, my slackware isnt multilib [20:50] might help [20:50] knowing what you're doing might help too, spook [20:50] :P [20:50] the kernel is not linked against any libs [20:50] just saying [20:50] other than that, you can always hack up the gcc spec file to supstitute x86_64 for i486 ;-) [20:51] bad macavity [20:51] s/too// [20:51] to crosscompile, wont i need the 32bit gcc ? :P [20:52] spook: can you just use virtualbox? [20:52] thrice`: who-me? :P [20:52] spook yes the 32bit compiler is required [20:52] godling: yeah good point i'll just start up a 32bit vm. [20:54] uhm, i am fairly certain that a x86_64 capable gcc can also output x86_32 code [20:55] I think you people are all crazy. [20:55] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:55] and the slackware64 bintutils and linker can for sure [20:55] godling: then you should feel right at home :P [20:55] macavity: mommy! [20:55] O_O [20:55] Action: macavity finds the taser really quick [20:55] godling: no, that's spook [20:55] Action: winter avoids canada [20:56] macavity: c'mon, find that taser, times a wasting :P [20:56] Winter never avoids Canada. [20:56] That's the coldest US state. [20:56] canadians are killing polish people with teasers. [20:56] winter: what'd they do to deserve it? [20:56] no [20:57] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:58] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:58] well tacers even [20:58] what? [20:58] tasers [20:58] .. [20:58] .... [20:58] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [20:58] ..... [20:59] http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser <--- with it [20:59] ........... [20:59] yeah, it's a brand name winter :) [20:59] lol [20:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser <-- or it [20:59] winter: most people don't know how to use them, though [20:59] Man_of_Wax: good grief, you sure use "............." alot. :P [20:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] argh [20:59] how the heck [20:59] Man_of_Wax: ^^^^ [20:59] i havent had any sleep [20:59] tab fail [20:59] fire|bird: the the hack [21:00] ? [21:00] i'm a little bit slow. [21:00] fire|bird: how was that even possible ? lol [21:00] s/i haven't had any sleep// [21:00] Action: thrice` opens a beer and watches [21:00] Man_of_Wax: I have no clue, I hit d, not m [21:00] what the [21:00] Seriously, I have hit D [21:00] PEBKAC ! [21:00] deco: I just hit d and I tabcompleted just fine [21:00] godling: :) [21:01] Action: hitest wonders wtf is going on [21:01] deco: I think fire|bird has been eating paintchips again. [21:01] *paint chips [21:01] godling: nah he just needs some alone time [21:01] I've been messing with irssi scripts all day, I think I've probably messed something up. [21:01] ah [21:01] ty [21:01] someone reversed his M and D keys on the keyboard.. he's still a little confused by it, give him time :) [21:01] lol [21:01] thrice`, the file was immutable... [21:01] No, seriously, even hitting the up arrow in irssi, it shows deco, no Man_of_Wax [21:01] thrice`, chattr solved it :D [21:02] winter: to be honest, it seems that most law enforcement officials (anywhere) tend to err on the side of too much force [21:02] s/no/not/ [21:02] godling: thats not nice [21:02] godling: that's so natural [21:02] akSeya: ah :) [21:02] winter: yes, but what can you do? [21:02] winter: we give them power to "watch" over us [21:02] i wont go to canada. [21:02] fire|bird: so what you're really saying is someone reprogramed your up arrow to type "deco" for you? [21:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:03] quasar: no, I mean hitting the up arrow in irssi, which shows the history of what I've typed, shows I typed it right, I typed deco [21:03] winter: Do you have the means to travel to Canada anyways? [21:04] I don't, and I live in the US. [21:04] akSeya (n=eder@189.11.104.44) left irc: "Saindo" [21:04] I see.. does this happen often? [21:04] Of course not everybody is as dirt poor as I am. [21:04] or, i'll go there with mustage for $1 and i'll try to look like a eskimo [21:04] I didn't know there were Inuits in Canada. [21:04] jk [21:04] quasar: No, just now, but I've been messing with and editing scripts all day in irssi, I've probably borked something. [21:04] dont take it serious [21:04] ;P [21:04] 00:24 < rworkman> ls -l /mnt/pendrive_1/boot2/1/extlinux.sys ; lsattr /mnt/pendrive_1/boot2/1/extlinux.sys [21:04] 01:01 < akSeya> thrice`, the file was immutable... [21:04] heh. [21:05] rworkman: yeah [21:05] rworkman: go figure [21:05] I made some software and people are using it. How nuts [21:05] but there was one pole killed on an airport with 5 tasers [21:05] hrm. I was buried in scrollback. [21:05] firedix (n=firedix@host195.201-252-177.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:05] rworkman: does that happen to you often? [21:05] I think there's a pill for that. [21:05] can anyone remember offhand where slackpkg saves ChangeLog.txt? [21:05] winter: yeah, I was reading about it. [21:06] godling: yes. I pageup to reread something, and then I walk away before coming back out, and then I return and start replying to things that are old. [21:06] winter: You should read about all the violent crap that happens here in the US. [21:06] macavity: /var/lib/slackpkg/ iirc [21:06] godling: but what's the side effects for the pill? :P [21:06] rworkman: I've done that more than once. People think you're crazy when you do it. [21:06] macavity: but I bet slackpkg(8) will tell you :) [21:06] fire|bird: an erection lasting more than four hours. [21:06] fire|bird: your erection might last up to four hours [21:06] ... [21:06] wait, wrong pill. [21:06] haha [21:06] hahaha [21:07] and doze also probably [21:07] /var/lib/slackpkg/ [21:07] so we've got up to four hours and more than four hours [21:07] If I ever get side effects like that, I'm either going to make lots of friends or lots of enemies. [21:07] You fall asleep with an erection, what kind of pill is that. [21:07] but it won't last exactly four hours [21:08] rworkman: thx for whacking me with the cane, sir! [21:08] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [21:08] macavity: you could have worded that better, in light of the current discussion. ;-) [21:08] haha [21:08] RMFT [21:09] winter: If you dress up like an Inuit you'd only blend in if you went up to the icy bits of Canada [21:09] fire|bird: probably something between viagra and a sleeping pill [21:09] No, that's not a typo. :) Roll MF'ing Tide! [21:09] winter: That'd be a crappy pill then. [21:09] Go GATORS [21:09] winter: You'd be better off dressing up in a hockey jersey and a tuque [21:10] Yes. Back to the swamp as losers, one can hope :) [21:10] fire|bird: no, crappy pills are different entirely [21:10] hahaha [21:10] It hurts me to pull for LSU, but in this case, Go Tigers. [21:10] who cares? [21:10] btw, am i the only one who thinks that strigi is way to chatty? [21:10] heh [21:10] hah, good luck :) [21:10] macavity: no, I disable the dang thing. [21:10] Auburn got whacked pretty hard today, by unranked Arkansas [21:11] playing the gators tonight? [21:11] win or lose, global warming is still happening [21:11] LSU/Gators on CBS right now [21:11] fire|bird: i like what it does.. but i dont like that it tells me about it all the damn time [21:11] macavity: yeah, it gets annoying. [21:11] unfortunately, the big 10 is fucked anyway, so it doesn't matter to me anyway :> [21:11] Dodgers eliminate Cardinals [21:11] On the way from Atlanta a few weeks ago (when we played at the Georgia Dome), we pass a car on I20 whose tag read "RMFTR" - no idea how he got that past the DMV folks. [21:11] fire|bird: with iotop, strigi can run without slowing anything down [21:11] Gators is a football team right? [21:11] fire|bird: ionice, sorry [21:11] godling: yeah, the current national champs... [21:12] and still ranked No.1 [21:12] yup [21:12] are they a college team? [21:12] Action: danc3 is not getting the meaning of "RMFTR".... [21:12] macavity: cool. I haven't noticed a significant slow down, but the messages are insane, that needs to be toned down a bit. [21:12] godling: Florida [21:12] danc3: Roll Mother Fucking Tide Roll! [21:12] so I just disabled it for now. [21:12] LOL ok [21:12] fire|bird: it is apparetnly fixed in 4.3 [21:12] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] and what have they done for the environment lately? [21:13] :P [21:13] macavity: I run 4.3.1 on the desktop and 4.3.2 on the laptop. [21:13] macavity isn't on 4.3? :( [21:13] thrice`: i track -current [21:13] hey my xorg is broken and isn't giving me an error in xorg.0.log; been troubleshooting for like 2 weeks-- can someone help? [21:13] godling: they eat cows. [21:13] i dont even know where to start without an error [21:13] macavity: sure, but vbatts worked hard and compiled them against -current ;) [21:13] dartmouth: slackware versioin, kernel version, graphics hardware? [21:14] rworkman: for every cow they eat, how many cows do they plant? [21:14] and most importantly, the error [21:14] macavity: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.2/x86/ ;) [21:15] ahhh :-) [21:15] and vbatts is who? [21:15] Vince Batts [21:15] a friend of rworkman, with apparently a very nice compile setup :) [21:16] ok.. then i dare to trust those packages :-) [21:16] from Birmingham *spit* [21:16] macavity: slackware 13.0 (updated from an april or may version of -current), kernel is 2.6.29.6, Radian HD Pro 2400 [21:16] hyuck [21:16] macavity: xorg just hangs the whole system when i boot [21:16] dartmouth: have you attempted to install proprietary drives on it? [21:16] macavity: yeah [21:16] did it blow up before you tried that? [21:17] macavity: yeah; i was trying vesa before that and it was still puking on me [21:17] v4nelle (n=van@adsl155-152.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:17] ok, try and remove mesa and see if it will load the free radeon driver [21:17] macavity: after some initial exploration i was told it was probably a hal issue, which seems to make sense on the nature of the issue [21:17] dartmouth: have you tried removing the configuration file and having X generate one by itself? [21:17] the OSS radeon driver will require mesa, right? [21:18] godling: !! [21:18] (why remove it?) [21:18] Action: dartmouth puts godling on ignore [21:18] thrice`: only the [AI]GLX module [21:18] guys when i do [mysql_install_db --user=mysql] on slack i get these [[Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to 4294967295] why? [21:18] dartmouth: how rude [21:18] hehe [21:18] v4nelle: have you got mixed 32 and 64 bit packages [21:18] macavity: you mean actually remove the mesa package? [21:18] But obviously you meant to be rude, or else you would not have announced that. [21:18] dartmouth: yes [21:18] vbatts: I was joking. :P [21:19] well thats scary, but yeah ill try it [21:19] vbatts, no...i have 32bit system,and no 64bit repos [21:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] v4nelle: usually that can happen if your mysql is 32bit on a 64bit system [21:19] godling: well you can have your *spit* back ;) [21:19] thrice`: because i belive it is a mesa bug that hangs the hardware... if that is right, he will get an error from Xorg that GLX did not initialize, but he should get a desktop [21:19] macavity: whats the free radeon driver identifier; 'radeon'? [21:20] vbatts: it went into a spitoon [21:20] dartmouth: yes [21:20] vbatts: I danced a little jig when I did it [21:20] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] It's hard to aim into a spitoon. [21:21] but after that,it tell me [ok] and nothing aborted [21:21] ah, nice. a poorly delivered insinuation at how "back woods" country birmingham is [21:21] yes [21:22] I thought it was very poorly executed indeed. [21:22] godling: you need to try harder than that. [21:22] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:22] macavity: awesome, that helped; now i when i go startx fluxbox i get flux until i try to move the mouse-- which is way better than the behaviour i WAS getting lol-- thats a big step up [21:22] vbatts: If I was trying to offend anyone, I might have. :P But I wasn't, so don't take it so seriously? [21:22] dartmouth: now check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg [21:23] v4nelle: it shouldn't cause any data integrity issues, but i'm not sure how you come about that issue without some stray hacker occuring [21:23] s/hacker/hackery/ [21:23] dartmouth: you may want to attempt a hand crafted mesa-7.6-git package :P [21:23] godling: no offense. [21:23] or some such [21:24] I couldn't get 7.6 to compile :\ [21:24] dartmouth: then you dont.. [21:24] all wings check in. [21:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-105-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:24] macavity: says it caught 'signal 11 unknown error' [21:24] vbatts: cool [21:25] configure/hal: couldn't initialize context (unknown error) [21:25] vbatts: in the lack of a README in your KDE directory, i suppose i just go upgradepkg --install-new *gxz on my local copy of the dir? [21:25] I lived in the South for a while so I figure I've got carte blanche to poke fun at it. :) [21:25] CC arc/x86/kernel/traps.o [21:25] dartmouth: yeah.. something probably expected Mesa to be present :P [21:26] *gxz probably won't yield great results [21:26] macavity: s/*gxz/*.txz/ ;) [21:26] dartmouth: but, it looks like you have been bitten by a nasty Mesa bug [21:26] what fire|bird said :P [21:26] macavity: there is a README [21:26] oh man [21:26] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.2/README [21:27] ok so what do i do? [21:27] i neeeed my xorg lol [21:27] dartmouth: you're running dbus but not hal, right? [21:27] rworkman: i dont know, i dont really mess with either of those [21:27] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [21:27] Well check. [21:27] vbatts: thx [21:27] can someone tell me where the primary startup script is located? essentially all that is load after startkde....thanx [21:27] The only time I've ever seen that is when the messagebus daemon is running but not the hal daemon [21:27] i just leave them alone always; i have hal scripts launching in rc.d [21:27] try "pgrep hald" , it should return (too many) results [21:27] so hald is running? [21:28] fire|bird: next time, please point me to the documentation first, and the packages later ;-P [21:28] hald is not running, weird [21:28] weird [21:28] :) [21:28] :P [21:28] oooooh, cpunches [21:28] thrice`: yeah :) [21:29] the nick changes, but the mentality lives on [21:29] cpunches? [21:29] macavity: Sure, blame the bird. :P You could have just clicked the Parent Directory link. :P [21:29] godling: you must be new here [21:29] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware. [21:29] spook: apparently [21:29] spook: where's the bathroom? [21:29] fire|bird: i am an idiot, remeber?!? [21:29] godling: yeah, thrice is a troll who's obsessed with cpunches [21:29] macavity: never used pkgtools before? [21:29] dartmouth: weren't you ignoring me? [21:29] Action: dartmouth launches hald [21:30] macavity: must be why you're number 1 in the stats, you just talk shit 24/7 :P [21:30] macavity: oh yeah, I forgot. I usually have a pop up message each day that says "macavity is an idiot" but it must have quit working. :P [21:30] spook: those stats are manipulated! i demand they be recalculated! [21:30] macavity: i'm sad because i'm never on them [21:30] fire|bird: thats because i fiddled with it, and see how it went! [21:31] So who are the channel trolls? [21:31] Quiznos and missyjane got k-lined, who's left? [21:31] spook: if they get recalculated i think you would be [21:31] macavity: hald corrected the mouse problem [21:31] macavity: I'm second behind you in the stats for most active. :P [21:31] macavity: so what about those prop drivers? [21:31] winter, cpunches/dartmouth, me [21:31] dartmouth: so now you can have Xorg running? [21:31] macavity: yes, thank you so much [21:31] macavity: Ah, you fiddled with it, no wonder my kde plasmoids were all disorganized today. :P [21:31] godling: quiznos got klined? [21:31] im going to see what the prop drivers do now [21:32] spook: yes [21:32] dartmouth: so, both hald and debus are back up, and only mesa has been removed? [21:32] spook: that's just a rumor I read. [21:32] spook: I don't know for sure. [21:32] macavity: yes [21:32] *dbus [21:32] YAYAYAYAYA [21:32] that news has made my day [21:32] godling: yes, he did. [21:32] dartmouth: ok, now go fill out a very detailded bug report at the mesa site [21:32] spook: It made alot of peoples days :) [21:32] macavity: :(((((((((( [21:32] boxxoq (n=ab_cd@218.82.196.17) joined ##slackware. [21:32] what exactly did he get klined for [21:32] being a piece of shit [21:32] dartmouth: and when they write you back and ask you to do stuff, DO IT, and get back to them [21:32] I didn't necessarily get a bad impression from Quiznos. [21:33] godling: he was an idiot. [21:33] oh man i have to be sober for this dont i [21:33] dartmouth: a silent hardware hang is just SUCH a show stopper [21:33] spook: not sure exactly, it didn't happen here. [21:33] dartmouth: yes.. you generally need to be sober :P [21:33] He just seemed like a standard conspiracy nut that you would find on IRC [21:33] macavity: ok, i will put this on my 'do in real life' todo list [21:33] dartmouth: i've done harder things while more drunk than you. [21:33] dartmouth: you must learn the way of the drunken master [21:34] spook: i dont really swing that way [21:34] dartmouth: but since you have been bitten by this, you of all people know how much it will suck if this bug lives on to mesa 7.6 [21:34] macavity: yeah [21:34] spook: the drunken master slurs his variable names [21:34] macavity: 7.6 is already out :> [21:34] lol [21:34] godling: you havent seen my drunken mastery. [21:34] i have been busy doing 12 step work [21:34] macavity: the 'no you dont get an appendage to your error log to troubleshoot' aspect sucks bad [21:34] dartmouth: exactly [21:35] a kernel panic with no panic message is the only thing that is better than this :P [21:36] mount: mount to NFS server 'localhost' failed: RPC Error: Success. [21:36] that's a better error message than that macavity [21:36] macavity: that's an xorg bug (dartmouth's), and it's already fixed iirc [21:36] dartmouth: ^ [21:37] macavity: i would never be able to do a 12 step program. [21:37] rworkman: but removing mesa fixed it?!? [21:37] rworkman: not in 13.0 this is fresh media [21:37] spook: can you count to twelve? [21:37] Well, weird. [21:37] no, starting hald fixed it [21:37] :D [21:37] dartmouth: in newer xorg, I mean. [21:37] rworkman: oh, gotcha [21:37] godling: no, the reason is that i am an atheist. [21:37] spook: then i dont hope you ever need to :P [21:37] rworkman: thats a big enough bug to warrant a 13.1 isn't it? [21:38] spook: well, I guess there are twelve cans in a case of beer [21:38] godling: step 12 i think, is accepting theres a higher power, which is explicitely god. [21:38] dartmouth: 13.1 is coming at some point regardless [21:38] dartmouth: its a very limited number of cards [21:38] macavity: at this rate, i think i just might end up having my friends do an intervention [21:38] and I tend to think that the answer is "use HAL" regardless. [21:38] macavity: well, it would be mine. [21:38] godling: as homer said, anything thing that takes 12 steps, isnt worth doing! [21:39] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Action: thrice` hates hal [21:39] rworkman: it didnt work for him with hald unless mesa is removed [21:40] spook: staging your own intervention? [21:40] yes.. it's good that hal is getting the knife [21:40] just a waste of good programming hours :-/ [21:40] thyagofernando (n=root@189.71.13.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] godling: if you're trying to make a joke about how i have no friends, you have failed. [21:40] but it's shitty that it's getting the knife after everything started using it [21:40] godling: since macavity here would probably join in. [21:41] spook: i dont really get that [21:41] macavity: when/if i get the money, i assume your offer a month long bender with you still stands? [21:41] spook: no, I am not [21:41] ah [21:41] *dooh* :P [21:41] spook: yes [21:41] I think staging your own intervention is kind of silly [21:42] well looks like the x86_64 asm for linuxpmi is broken. [21:42] most asm is [21:42] at least with this series file [21:42] i've read through some patches for the files that have errors, but they have even more bugs in them [21:42] high quality assembler is very rare these days [21:42] macavity: this is kernel level assembler [21:43] my statement still stands :P [21:43] "battered into submission by a thousand hours of debugging" does not make it high quality [21:43] that makes it pass a whole heck of a lot of test cases [21:43] we're doing 8088 assembler in my machine architecture class :P [21:43] macavity: git clone http://linuxpmi.org/linuxpmi.git/ linuxPMI [21:43] have a look for yourselves [21:44] i dont have the time right now [21:44] okay :) [21:44] ill just copy the KDE packages, then i need to sleep [21:44] macavity: but having someone with a decent knowledge of assembler would really help, even if they just read over the current code commentary [21:44] ... but for some reason the speed is jumpin up and down [21:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:45] spook: then i am not the one to ask [21:45] spook: i know C and C only [21:45] macavity: even better! [21:45] macavity: you just got drafted. [21:45] and i am getting so rusty that shouldnt even mention it [21:46] oh no :P [21:46] TCPL and APUE is all you need kkthxbai [21:46] Action: macavity runs [21:46] you cant do live process migration with those [21:46] i know [21:47] but you have to know every line of both to be able to even comprehend live process migration in practice [21:47] Action: thrice` wonders if 3D will ever work on his intel card [21:47] maybe I should install windows [21:47] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:47] like, you need to do almost all of the linux api in the PMI wrapper [21:47] i comprehend how it works, what the code currently does, and a bunch of other related stuff [21:47] thrice`: suck it up marine! :P [21:47] except dont really know the code well [21:47] I will never buy intel again [21:48] thanks to the x.org guys [21:48] O_O [21:48] macavity: i'm project leader of linuxpmi :) [21:48] spook: in that case you should *really* brush up on your C and ASM skills then :P [21:48] macavity: i'm not the one who does the coding. [21:49] thrice`: doesnt it more or less work now? [21:49] boxxoq (n=ab_cd@218.82.196.17) left ##slackware. [21:49] macavity: i help with everything else that isnt coding. so that our coder doesnt have anything else to do but code [21:49] macavity: 3d? no way [21:49] ok.. works here [21:49] but my needs are rudimentry [21:50] .. but the chips are rudimentry too, so no biggie there [21:50] which 3d works? stuff like quake3 dies here [21:50] spook: nice [21:50] macavity: i let the power get to my head sometimes. having commit access to the git tree helps :) [21:50] thrice`: oh, like.. GL_texture_from_pixmap and composite :P [21:50] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:50] thrice`: and 3D screensavers :P [21:51] macavity: right, stuff that worked with xf86-video-intel 2.4.x and pre-GEM ;) [21:51] thrice`: it has gotten *notacibly* faster with .31 for me [21:51] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] thrice`: and no, it didnt work for me back then [21:52] 2.6.31.x is about the same as .30 [21:52] (regarding 3D) [21:52] not really.. GEM is backed by TTM now [21:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:53] anyhow, i will probably go for something ATI the next time [21:53] gem replaces ttm [21:53] policykit makes me RAAAGe [21:53] you should read up on that [21:53] and has since 2.6.28 and intel 2.5.x+ [21:54] macavity: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc2NA [21:54] gem replaced ttm because ttm wasnt considered flexible enough by intel [21:54] then tungsten fixed the complaints, and made a ttm that was so flexible that they could express the gem api right from ttm [21:55] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:55] that article is SO out of date [21:55] right, but it's when gem took over [21:56] and with .31 GEM is exported as a layer ontop of TTM.. let me find the link [21:56] well, my 2.6.31.3 + intel 2.9.0 still sucks! :) [21:56] and I agree, my next will def. be radeon as well [21:57] I don't care how awesome intel "will be;" in the 1.5 years I've owned their hardware, I've been a guinnea pig for their shitty re-write, and will not waste my money again [21:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] and i'll coose nvidia [21:57] chose* [21:57] choose* [21:57] man, installing XP even sucks in a VM [21:57] yes, nvidia [21:58] they can take their proprietary poison and stick it up where the sun dont shine [21:58] nvidia FTW [21:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] (re, nvidia) [21:59] http://teddziuba.com/2009/09/18/plucking-you-unibrow-is-the-most-undignified-type-of-grooming.jpg :) [21:59] nvidia FTL too [22:00] thrice`: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba4e7d973dd09b66912ac4c0856add8b0703a997 [22:00] 3dfx! [22:00] thrice`: just read the commit message [22:00] =\o/ [22:00] \o/ [22:00] 3dfx used to be the bomb. Voodoo chipset rocked. [22:00] sorry for the ugly url :P [22:00] voodoo/banshee something like that [22:00] thrice`: but that was from the .31 release [22:00] macavity: intel uses it too? [22:01] thrice`: i assume you cant export the same API twice? [22:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_ViRGE <--- a monter [22:02] Action: winter owns one [22:02] but it's broken [22:02] i threw a stack of those out not too long ago [22:03] 4MB cards suck so bad [22:03] I remember those cards. [22:03] Dude, remember when we were using horses with buggies? those suck so bad. [22:03] :P [22:04] i just respect my childchood [22:04] I do remember 300 baud modems on MSDOS computers... [22:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:04] because it was only happy and totally clueless episode of my life [22:04] yes winter [22:04] 4MB cards can't do very high res at more 16bit of color [22:04] winter: now look at you [22:04] (very high res means pretty low here) [22:05] Camarade_Tux: up this late ? [22:05] "{ [22:05] :P* [22:05] deco: was at a friend ;) [22:05] 4MB cards were fine for Leisure Suit Larry or Space Quest [22:05] but I'm going to bed soon, 4am :) [22:05] 4MB can do 1024x768 at 32bit of color, but not more [22:05] You only need 2MB or so to do 1024x768 @ 24 bit, doubling that gets you a maximum of 2048x1536 on a 4MB card [22:06] LSD`: actually you can't [22:06] # 1024*768*3;; [22:06] - : int = 2359296 [22:06] macius (n=macius@209.195.74.158) joined ##slackware. [22:06] yep, you need 13% more memory: [22:06] # 768.*.3./.1024.;; [22:06] - : float = 2.25 [22:07] (I know you're wondering: it's from the ocaml REPL/toplevel) [22:07] Camarade_Tux: showing off your calculator? [22:08] godling: yep :P [22:08] Camarade_Tux: bon nuit mon cheri :P [22:08] notice the type inference :) [22:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCaml [22:08] doesn't everyone use zsh? print $(( 2 + 2 )) [22:08] ;) [22:09] or bc, or python, or maxima [22:09] :P [22:09] even amush people use bash [22:09] amish* [22:09] winter: that statement was just silly. [22:09] no.. they use the original AT&T Bourne Shell [22:09] thrice`: I do ;) [22:09] winter: amish use solar powered pc's? [22:09] godling: no it was classic [22:09] on their VAX machines [22:10] bc does ints, not floats which I needed in the second case because 768*3/1024 = 2, not 2.25 [22:10] everyone knows Amish people still use OS/2 Warp. [22:10] and pythong sucks :) [22:10] Amish people and Australian banks. [22:10] godling: oh my.. my bank is Amish then :P [22:10] Danish banks use it too? [22:11] sweet [22:11] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:11] just mine.. they are part of the "we can haz code and fix bugs for us selves, yes?" effort [22:11] and the true blue went for it [22:11] true blue? [22:11] IBM [22:12] I thought they were the big blue [22:12] that too [22:12] or "the Italian Buisness Men" [22:12] Camarade_Tux: I could have sworn it was only 1.8MB or so for 1024x768, I'm probably thinking of another resolution/colour depth... [22:12] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] or the "people who gave the Nazis all their neat computers so they could calculate the Holocaust" [22:13] LSD`: well, 16bit would be ok, it's 1.5MB [22:13] maybe I'm mistaken, though [22:13] godling: lol [22:14] godling: no.. IBM is agnostic to anything but money [22:14] deco, >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Langue/0019.gif [22:15] macavity: I didn't say anything about their corporate viewpoint [22:15] fredoslack: lol more :P [22:15] godling: no, you're not mistaken [22:15] deco, watch my pictures :p [22:15] >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/chinatow/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=149 [22:15] Action: Camarade_Tux goes to bed and takes fredoslack with him ;) [22:15] godling: selling stuff to the nazis *is* a corporate viewpoint :P [22:16] what? [22:16] godling: and the veiwpoing is "we have goods.. they have monies" :P [22:16] thus, they are agnostic to anything bug hard currency [22:16] macavity types but does not make sense [22:16] Camarade_Tux, i have buy 4 [22:16] white mouses [22:16] godling: as usual :P [22:16] time to test new KDE [22:16] macavity: "selling stuff != "let's anticipate needs and lets design custom solutions" [22:17] for my garden [22:17] fredoslack: he :P [22:17] macavity: I'm going to write an eliza script to respond to you [22:17] BP{k}: in the case of IBM, apparently it is :P [22:17] what? [22:17] brb [22:17] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:17] macavity: it's not a corporate viewpoint, it's a capitalistic one, and capitalism is good so selling stuff to the nazis is good :) [22:17] does macavity ever think before macavity types? [22:17] 4 small mouses, very beautiful :) [22:18] s/mouses/mice/ ;) [22:18] fredoslack: mice for your garden? [22:18] fredoslack: are you going to plant them? [22:18] Action: godling wonders what a mouse tree looks like [22:18] fredoslack: hahah [22:18] godling: furry? [22:19] blackula (i=1000@97.81.73.186) joined ##slackware. [22:19] fire|bird: It makes a natural home for Y. pestis. [22:19] =) [22:19] seriously, fredoslack. why mice for a garden? [22:20] or does garden mean "back yard" like it does in the UK? [22:20] godling, i prefer to see them, [22:20] in a garden [22:20] just drink more [22:20] haha [22:21] fredoslack: a garden with vegetables and whatnot? [22:21] godling, yes, of course :) [22:21] don't they eat the vegetation? [22:21] yes, [22:23] mouse - the other white meat [22:23] guys if i want to connect on phpmyadmin over internet,on mysql_secure_installation i must choose to allow logins via network,or it doesnt matter phpmyadmin? [22:23] fredoslack: is the garden specifically for them, then? [22:23] via internet* [22:24] godling, yes [22:24] I thought mice ate cheese, not veggies [22:24] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) joined ##slackware. [22:24] ok.. the perl update broke irssi :-/ [22:24] godling, >> http://www.aquarioland.com/images/r_23/ani_22611-1.jpg [22:25] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] the perl update broke alot [22:25] fredoslack: looks pretty tasty [22:25] lool [22:25] cat and mouse: http://alturl.com/yx4f [22:25] thrice`, you are kidding me?!? [22:25] mdrrrr [22:26] fredoslack: the red eyes means that it wants to eat your heart [22:26] lol * [22:26] lool godling [22:26] don't turn your back on a red-eyed mouse [22:26] dangerous bastards [22:26] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:26] sinon, [22:26] ever , [22:26] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] my dad is very happy whith Ubuntu [22:27] =) [22:27] danc3: you cant while experiencing delirium [22:27] well.. i guess i just have to revert to the perl from 13.0 then [22:27] winter: I can't what? [22:27] macavity: anything that shows up with a "grep 5.10.0 /var/log/packages/*" anyway [22:27] as no irssi is totally not usable [22:28] irssi is awesome [22:28] fredoslack: yay [22:29] holy.. it even broke git! [22:29] I've heard some good things about weechat [22:29] but just haven't given it a shot yet [22:30] Dominian: It's really nice. [22:30] anybody knows? [22:30] fire|bird: how is it compared to irssi though? [22:30] Dominian: nothing can break git :P [22:30] hrm ? [22:30] spook: *I* can >< [22:31] Dominian: Fairly similar. It has a nicklist on the right hand side by default, it doesn't have any themes for it, so you'd have to edit it yourself if so inclined, but it supports perl, etc. languages, so I think irssi scripts would work with it; some of them anyway. [22:31] The nicklist is scrollable with F11 and F12 [22:31] Ill build it.. see if I like it [22:31] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.171.226) left irc: "leaving" [22:32] Camarade_Tux: nothing is unfixable in git pretty much [22:32] double negative that! [22:32] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) joined ##slackware. [22:32] wb macavity [22:32] ahh [22:33] back to irssi.. xchat is a horrid horrid app when you are used to yakuake+irssi :P [22:33] heh [22:33] I've tried going back to xchat.. [22:33] and I about throw up everytime [22:33] Dominian: one neat plus to it is splitting windows both vertically and horizontally. [22:33] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [22:34] vbatts: you awake? [22:34] i dont think i'll ever leave irssi + bitlbee [22:34] noobfarm (n=dominian@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] blech [22:34] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] its definitely.... interesting [22:35] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] I think I'm too used to irssi [22:35] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:35] greetings Rat409 [22:35] hey fire|bird [22:36] Rat409: How's it going? [22:36] spook, bitlbee looks cool [22:36] esoteric: it IS cool [22:36] fire|bird: the colors are a bit annoying [22:36] fire|bird: good,thanks,yourself ? [22:36] spook: I wanted to say that I could suck so much at git I could actually break it ;) [22:36] Rat409: excellent, thanks. [22:37] noobfarm: yeah [22:37] Rat409: Any themes that you know of for weechat? [22:37] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:37] blech... [22:37] noobfarm (n=dominian@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:37] ok y eah [22:37] I won't be using weechat [22:37] hehe [22:37] lol [22:37] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Dominian: At least you gave it a 5 second chance. :P [22:38] fire|bird: I'm just too used to irssi man [22:38] yeah [22:38] Now.. had I used weechat first.. different story [22:38] blackula (i=1000@97.81.73.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] fire|bird: no,you can edit manually and use the theme plugin to save different color-schemes. but that's it atm,afaik [22:39] Rat409: ok, that's what I figured, but thought I'd ask. You have more experience with weechat than I do. Thanks. :) [22:39] sure,themes like irssi would be sweet [22:40] yeah, they sure would. [22:40] who want a cofee ? [22:41] hrm.. [22:41] I just screwed up my status bar [22:41] lol [22:41] good job [22:41] Well its "fine" but.. its taller than normal [22:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] if weechat and change wasn't saved type upgrade(same as irssi) [22:42] fire|bird, i you want a cup of cofee >> irc.voila.fr, #informatique lol [22:43] nemesysadm (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] deco_ (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] deco_, [22:43] tu as deco_ [22:43] mdrrrrr [22:43] fredoslack: yes lol [22:44] Dominian: I did that before. [22:44] Dominian: you have an empty element of some kind on it, I don't remember what it was specifically [22:44] window something [22:44] godling: yeah I got two of them apparently [22:44] easy enough to fix [22:45] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:45] yeah trying to remember how [22:47] nemesysadm (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [22:47] deco_ (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] got it [22:48] sweet [22:48] /statusbar reset [22:48] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] there's also remove if you put one too many in as I did before [22:50] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-0-204.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [22:50] I might make the topic status bar bigger so the topic doesn't run off the edge of my terminal [22:51] blah, the Windows Academic Alliance downloader sucks balls. [22:51] godling: uh the thing [22:51] godling: two secs [22:51] spook: what? [22:51] godling: related to that, gimme a minute [22:52] godling: wtf is that ? [22:53] godling: http://imagi.pl/ [22:53] snL20: stupid downloader app for MS Academic Alliance. It's basically an IE window with a progressbar and some really bad tables [22:53] I mean, the html is really ugly [22:53] godling: and at least for me, i download the sdc files from http://winserver01.csse.uwa.edu.au/msdnaa/ [22:54] godling: that stuff will let you avoid the downloader [22:54] thanks [22:54] maybe if I download stuff in the future :) [22:56] vbatts: I have a few more (small) package requests for you if you get the time - konversation and digikam [22:56] it's funny. I installed XP in VirtualBox and the username is 'Jesus!' -- and it made the user graphic someone doing a jumpkick [22:56] blackbelt Jesus! [22:56] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-174.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [22:57] spook: I question the legality of unpacksdc [22:58] good thing Quiznos isn't here, he'd be spewing a scripture right about now. :P [22:59] spook: that url doesnt work for me, I'm not authorized it seems =) [22:59] godling: uh, its probably not entirely legal, but microsoft has left the developer alone [22:59] snL20: which? [22:59] snL20: no kidding [22:59] spook: http://winserver01.csse.uwa.edu.au/msdnaa/ [22:59] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.16.135) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] are you a student at UWA? [22:59] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [22:59] godling: heh no :) [23:00] there you go :P [23:00] godling: considering its only unlocks the images, and doesnt give you a key, its fairly legal [23:00] snL20: are you even in western australia? :) [23:00] spook: naah I'm in Norway :D [23:00] snL20: yeah. exactly. [23:00] snL20: you couldn't download from Australia without a conversion utility anyways [23:00] snL20: its just a dir listing of the sdc files [23:01] snL20: all the bits would be upside down [23:01] hehehe [23:01] does the sdc file just have the url for the real file to download from the MS server? [23:01] s/the MS/an MS/ [23:02] godling: no. [23:03] godling: its an encrypted image, but the key is determinable [23:03] TCP boatsnigga-548d:1140 cds73.lax9.msecn.net:http ESTABLISHED [23:03] seems to be downloading the image from that url [23:04] huh? [23:04] sorry, that's output from netstat -p tcp from my XP vm [23:04] diabolix (n=jordan@c-24-3-122-192.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] find the webserver thats serving up the sdc files [23:05] and wget :) [23:05] spook: I think I'm "ready" for that hosting bit [23:06] Dominian: cool, i was going to make use of it for a dia-shapes meta-zip. [23:07] ViN86 (n=ViN86@cpe-72-228-59-183.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:07] now that i got kde 4.3.1 installed new screenshot! http://omploader.org/vMmlyZQ [23:07] :D [23:08] spook: basically.. [23:08] wth is Kamelot? movie, band? [23:08] :) [23:08] Dominian: time to write a script to wget spider all the sbo sources [23:08] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.130) joined ##slackware. [23:08] ViN86: band [23:08] spook: the way this will work is if there is somethng that needs to be uploaded... it needs to be emailed to slackbuilds@slackadelic.com [23:08] deco: what genre? [23:08] ViN86: gothic power metal [23:08] best singer ever! [23:08] lol oh, yea that's not really my thing [23:08] Dominian: cool. [23:09] ViN86: clean vocals :P [23:09] spook: I'll upload it then to what I'm getting rady to create as slackbuilds.slackadelic.com [23:09] deco: i do like metal with clean vocals though [23:09] spook: then you just point the download script to that [23:09] not really into goth and whatnot though [23:09] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.130) left irc: Client Quit [23:09] deco: just some guys screaming their head off and not making any sense whatsoever ? :D [23:09] Dominian: awesome. [23:09] ViN86: yeah me too, the singer was a opera singer so goes all epic sometimes :) [23:09] an * [23:09] snL20: i think he meant they dont do that when he said clean vocals heh [23:09] ViN86: aah ok lol :) [23:10] snL20: yeah what ViN86 said ;-) [23:10] so i take it youre not into cookie monster singing? [23:10] lol [23:10] ViN86: nope i hate that lol [23:10] jescis (n=Administ@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] but c is for cookie, and that's good enough for me [23:10] deco: yeah, I set and rss on metal for my torrent tracker turned up "guys screaming their head off" so I gave up on that :) [23:11] stupid vmware driver hates linux as the guest [23:11] it's pretty amazing that i can run a 64- bit guest on a 32-bit host though [23:11] snL20: ViN86 best kamelot song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4wV4rxTqfU [23:11] snL20: hehe [23:11] deco: yea, i have to install flash player on this thing still... [23:12] ViN86: oh lol, well when you get it installed give it a listen :P [23:12] deco: will do :) [23:12] :) [23:13] deco: not bad :] [23:13] snL20: :) [23:13] spook: I'll h ave to wait for DNS to update [23:14] spook: shouldn't be more than an hour then I can test the file listing to make sur eit shows the directory properly [23:14] Dominian: okay :) [23:14] spook: keep in mind that all requests will have to be HTTP [23:14] where is firefox installed by default again? [23:14] so using wget is good ;) [23:14] ViN86: /var/log/packages/firefox* [23:15] spook: thx [23:15] mdrrrr [23:15] nater (n=Owner@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [23:17] ViN86: which firefox [23:17] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] guys default php package is compiled to use mcrypt,when this is installed? [23:17] or i must reconfigure php? [23:18] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:19] v4nelle: consult phpinfo(); [23:20] Action: fredoslack send a small yellow head for spook :p [23:21] spook, >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/chinatow/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=149 [23:21] lool [23:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] fredoslack: what? [23:22] lool [23:22] spook, look at my link, please [23:22] :p : p:p [23:23] his blog beats my cat stories O_o [23:23] looooooool deco [23:23] spook: btw, I was looking for /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2 [23:23] fredoslack: no? [23:23] ViN86: yess well isnt that what /var/log/packages told you? [23:24] NP: Tokio Hotel - Humanoid - Zoom Into Me [23:24] yes, hence the thanks [23:24] spook: it's a bunch of pixelated emoticons taped up in random places [23:24] smileys, rather [23:24] godling: yeah i'll take a miss.. [23:25] People are way aggro on IRC. [23:25] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] not agro, just tired and have better things to do [23:25] spook: ok it appears I got apache working.. just waiting on DNS updates :) [23:26] Dominian: yay [23:26] and I've installed a README_FIRST [23:28] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:31] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:31] spook, phpinfo tell me that mcrypt is enabled,but i dont recompile php (as slackbuilds.org tell me).....i hope i will not have problems [23:31] v4nelle: what are you on about [23:32] what did you mean?my english are..... [23:32] doesn't mcrypt get used as an executable? so in other words, it shouldn't matter if you have support compiled in, as long as your php code doesn't use it. [23:33] oh, nm. it is a library interface. [23:33] still, php modules shouldn't affect you until they get loaded. [23:34] spook, look at [23:34] your picture [23:34] lol [23:34] fredoslack: seriously, no. [23:34] lol [23:34] yees [23:34] :p [23:35] spook, >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Ordinateur/0004.gif [23:35] Action: fredoslack s'enfuit [23:35] lol [23:35] <3 [23:36] fredoslack: stop while you're behind. [23:36] fredoslack: Are you sure you're not a 13 year old girl? [23:36] You're annoying like one. [23:36] ;P [23:36] lool [23:36] no [23:36] =) [23:36] i am 33 [23:36] :( [23:36] lol [23:37] fredoslack needs a hug... give 'em one deco [23:37] notKlaat1 (n=klaatu@c-24-131-254-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] that's 1/20 of te number of te beast! [23:37] \o/ [23:38] winter: thats the devil's maths, you're a witch! burn him! [23:38] *22 [23:38] er... hell [23:38] Action: deco hugs fredoslack [23:38] 1/20.181818 [23:38] Action: deco afk [23:38] deco, bonne nuiiiiiit =) [23:39] good night * [23:39] :p [23:39] fredoslack: bon nuit :P [23:39] fredoslack: merci pour le link :P [23:39] de rien [23:39] de nothing * [23:39] even [23:39] :p [23:39] lol [23:41] are deco and fredoslack both French? [23:41] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] they smell it [23:41] AEnima15771 (n=clbarnob@h80ad271b.async.vt.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [23:41] godling, i'm from Limoges, France =) [23:41] quasar: lol [23:42] godling: no, deco's american, fredoslack is french, but the're still syiam twins [23:42] Nick change: notKlaat1 -> notKlaatu [23:42] lol [23:42] fredoslack, tu merde es la prostituee ville...je ne francais, je cajun [23:43] fredoslack: old city [23:43] 2000 years )à [23:43] =) [23:43] does it smell like it? [23:43] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) joined ##slackware. [23:43] winter: :) [23:43] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:5db) joined ##slackware. [23:43] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [23:44] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [23:45] fredoslack: heh, next time I am in limoges or nearby, we should have beer. :) [23:45] hi BP{k} =) [23:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:47] godling: smell like what, victory? [23:48] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:48] ViN86: old city [23:48] oh, close [23:48] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.42) joined ##slackware. [23:49] usually they smell like ancient urine and dirt [23:49] well victory can smell like that too you know [23:49] ViN86, but also smells like blood and defiled virgins [23:50] nyRednek: easy there buffalo bill ;P [23:50] ViN86, what? victory is almost never bloodless [23:50] lol i was referring to the defiled virgins [23:50] ViN86, and why not rob and rape while pillaging? [23:50] yes, you have to rape old people and kill virgin to win. [23:51] hmm, it's not really pillaging unless you have some rape... [23:51] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] winter: stfu [23:51] ViN86, exactly [23:51] no :) [23:51] nonetheless, rape is not essential for victory, so i consider it unnecessary [23:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ViN86, but it comes with the territory [23:52] lol only if your moral compass is made out of wood and a paperclip [23:53] ViN86, there are no morals in warfare [23:53] i disagree, there are always some [23:53] ViN86, you toss your moral compass as you grab the rifle [23:54] even in what Sherman referred to as "Total war" there was some restraint [23:54] spook: unpacksdc is failing :/ [23:54] godling: is it a multi-part sdc? [23:54] wht's the war anyway? [23:55] ViN86, what sherman called 'total war' is conducted exclusively on civilian populations...kinda like terrorism [23:55] that* [23:55] spook: I'm pretty sure it isn't; the alliance downloader started to unpack it but I ran out of space on my vm drive [23:55] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:56] nyRednek: there's a difference between stealing to feed troops and destroy enemy supplies and terrorism, which is attacking for the sake of causing fear and panic [23:57] ViN86, according to sherman's words, the point WAS to punish the population for choosing the wrong side [23:57] spook: I get an "application failed to initialize" error [23:57] can you guys talk war somewhere else? [23:57] godling: if its a multipart sdc you need to use copy [23:57] ok, thanks [23:57] godling: apologies for the random rant [23:58] i don't apologize...if you dislike something said, the ignore function still exists [23:59] Carrying on an offtopic discussion while there's support issues underway shouldn't occur. [00:00] --- Sun Oct 11 2009