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[00:11] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:11] fast as fart [00:12] Action: MrZhi knows who Guest13984 is.... he's a little pissant and pulls that shit all the time [00:12] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:13] lol [00:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Believe me, it's a deserved ban... [00:14] The-Croupier (Arbi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [00:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:15] alienBOB, should I use the 4.4.4 kde-l10n.SlackBuild to build 4.4.85 kdei? I didn't find it in 4.4.85 dir [00:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:18] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [00:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:21] zounds_ (~zounds@80.85.119.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:22] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction, I just installed slackware alongside my existing gentoo system, didnt want to use lilo, so skipped that part of the installation, not exactly sure how to put the slackware install into my grub.conf, anyone able to help me out? [00:24] alphageek (rooot@69-165-159-178.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:24] << Knows nothing of grub [00:25] However... [00:25] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.18) joined ##slackware. [00:25] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:25] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 [00:25] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.18) left irc: Client Quit [00:25] That might help [00:26] Yeah, what i'm not sure on, is, i think, i would need a kernel= line and a initrd= line? sound correct? if so, where would the initrd be located [00:27] initrd should be in /boot [00:27] kernel's in the same place [00:27] vmlinuz [00:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:28] ahh the vmlinuz is the initrd? great that helps a lot, should be able to get it going now, ty =) [00:28] thumbs (1000@173.177.220.250) joined ##slackware. [00:28] uh ... what? [00:28] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: time to rest ! [00:28] did i misunderstand? [00:28] vmlinuz is *not* the initrd. [00:28] one sec [00:29] no no, that's not what I ment [00:29] thumbs (1000@173.177.220.250) left irc: Client Quit [00:29] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:30] ok, im gonna pastebin the contents of my /boot from the slackware install, maybe you can tellme whats what [00:31] the keneral & initrd are located in /boot is what I meant [00:31] http://pastebin.com/yiA0Y0Sv [00:32] i had put vmlinuz-generic-2.6.33.4 for the kernel= line in grub [00:33] i don't see any initrd other than the readme which gave me some error about linking to something that didnt exist when i clicked it [00:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:33] jimmyz80: slackware creates a symlink called "vmlinuz" that points at whichever kernel you selected [00:33] So 'kernel = /boot/vmlinuz' [00:33] ok [00:33] but i don't see anything in there that works for the initrd, am i wrong? [00:33] root='/dev/{whatever}' [00:34] jimmyz80: what version of slackware ? [00:34] 31.1 [00:34] 13.1 [00:34] on a fresh install there is no initrd as far as I know [00:35] Action: MrZhi checked his fresh 13.1 install just a second ago [00:35] correct. [00:35] there is always "/usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh" [00:35] do i need one to make it boot? [00:37] you need one if you use the geenric kernel yes [00:37] alphageek (rooot@69-196-143-215.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) joined ##slackware. [00:38] so how do i get/make one? [00:38] the shell script you mentioned? [00:38] jimmyz80: use that script BP{k} just posted to create the slackware initrd.... it's pretty straight foward [00:38] ok, ty [00:39] it recommends the settings for mkinitrd and prints out the command for the current install [00:39] hopefully you're in slackware at the moment [00:39] hmm, i'm not, i guess i will chroot into it and try that [00:40] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [00:45] afu (~sgendle@cpe-24-167-8-139.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:45] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] alphageek (rooot@69-196-143-215.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:48] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. 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[01:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-66.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:04] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:06] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] So, i used the huge kernel to skip the initrd and get logged in. how do i tell slackware i want to use the generic kernel instead before running the script to generate my initrd? [01:11] edit lilo [01:11] not using lilo [01:11] Create your initrd first, then make all the edits to lilo.conf [01:11] edit (bootloader of choice) [01:11] Keep the huge entry just in case you messed up the initrd [01:12] Ok hold on lol, i never installed any bootloader with slackware, i installed it alongside my existing gentoo install [01:12] and made an entry in the gentoo grun.conf for the huge kernel [01:12] You'll need to edit the config entry in grub then [01:12] Well, add one. [01:12] but then i can't boot slackware to run the script [01:12] =) [01:13] ? [01:13] Mount the gentoo partition in /mnt or something [01:13] Then edit the grub config. [01:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:13] good morning folks :> [01:14] and then, what? the slackware makeinit script will just know to look there? [01:14] i am not following i guess [01:14] mkinitrd only builds an initrd.gz file in the /boot area for Slackware. [01:14] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-167-57.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:14] You have to manually set up the boot. [01:14] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-68-238-15-112.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] pnq (asdf@ACA53447.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:17] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:18] ok so on a different topic, haven't used slackware in a few years, slackpkg is included and basically the standard for handling installing and removing software and updates now? [01:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:19] For remote stuff, yeah. [01:19] Slackpkg uses pkgtools. [01:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. 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[01:56] It seems that the auto do a double declaration of that standard C library function: [01:57] static char *getline(FILE *fp); [01:57] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] s/auto/autor/ [01:57] It used to work fine in the 13.0 version [01:57] asarch yes it looks like it is re-defining getline.. [01:58] Should I just /* ... */ [01:58] ? [01:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:58] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-68-238-15-112.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-104-105-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] no, it'll need it. can't just comment it out [02:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org expired. [02:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:01] Guest13984 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:01] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:01] Guest13984 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [02:01] who is that person? i've seen this ban message a few times now [02:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:03] I wonder why Stevie re-define this function [02:04] Did you make big changes to the C library? [02:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:04] I did not, but there have been yes. [02:04] "big" is subjective though, small functional api changes don't qualify as "big" to me. [02:05] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-101-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:06] njathan (~cb734f4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.115.79.75) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Well, I mean big enough to make a compilation fails [02:07] does anyone know when php is gonna patch the monstrous holes in the 5.2.x branch? [02:07] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [02:08] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [02:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:09] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:12] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:12] Is it possible to define the resolution of the 'nomodeset' kernel argument? [02:12] njathan (~cb734f4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.115.79.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:12] Something like the old vga=0x314? [02:13] you seek a video= flag [02:13] alienBOB -- got kdei-lang. thanks for the .85 :) [02:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:13] I guess I could virtualize a 13 release session, compile the Elvis source code, get that tarball and then use it for the 13.1 release [02:13] Thank you mancha [02:14] who wants to try kde 4.5 it is great [02:14] asarch that will work, the elvis i mean [02:14] I'll do it [02:15] powtrix: can you get a screenshot showing the new oxygen icons if thats not too much to ask? [02:15] one sec. [02:17] so say you want an lower vga-equiv something like video=800x600@60 or soemthing [02:18] i dont think you should be using video with kms, no? [02:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:18] ? 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[02:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:32] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:33] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:35] njathan, try... [02:35] Ctrl+F12 [02:36] Correction [02:36] Alt+Shift+F12 [02:36] That disables compositing. [02:36] Motoko-chan, ok.. let me try that [02:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:36] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [02:37] sahko, 4.4.85 http://bit.ly/9PPdk4 | http://bit.ly/dc1Gaf | http://bit.ly/bbVSJ2 | http://bit.ly/aXZaQ2 [02:37] That's just temporary. [02:37] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:37] But should get you back [02:38] Motoko-chan, temp is ok.. i just want to reach somewhere in the gui so that i can disable desktop effects.. i can sorta live without it :-P [02:39] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:39] Nick change: stinky -> window [02:40] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Motoko-chan, no success :-( The screen is hung totally! [02:40] If you don't mind losing customizations, drop out of X and delete .kde (or .kde4) [02:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:41] If you want, I can look up the specific file for kwin effects [02:41] asarch (~asarch@189.188.152.47) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:41] Nick change: window -> Charisma [02:41] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] powtrix: thanks. the sound icon in taskbar is part of oxygen? [02:42] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:43] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Nick change: Charisma -> charisma [02:44] well its default [02:44] Nick change: charisma -> stinky [02:44] yeah thats what i meant [02:44] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wbnddjxsvarirlcx) left irc: Changing host [02:44] stinky (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:44] stinky (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Changing host [02:44] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wbnddjxsvarirlcx) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Nick change: stinky -> charisma [02:45] changed to the plastik, same thing [02:45] s/thing/icon [02:46] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:46] tango, gnome nuvola etc themes doesn't change the volume icon [02:47] Motoko-chan, fixed it! the file is .kde/share/config/kwinrc :-) [02:47] Good [02:47] Motoko-chan, toggled [compositing] to enabled=false [02:47] That works [02:48] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:49] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.75) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-201.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] ok i've tested it [02:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:50] ldap works in slack 32 bit thunderbird but not on the 64-bit version [02:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:51] should i report this somewhere ? [02:52] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:53] Anyone on 13.1, has an accelerometer using hdaps driver, and willing to test new Xorg for me? [02:55] rworkman: now that i see you, thanks for many quality packages! [02:56] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:57] mrcarrot: you're welcome :-) [02:57] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:58] Action: mrcarrot is waiting for to submit menumaker to slackbuilds.org [02:58] pnq (asdf@ACA53447.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:58] thanks for being a demi-god [02:59] ;D [02:59] ha [02:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:00] I've got another surprise if anyone wants to play: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/NetworkManager/ [03:00] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:00] :) [03:00] :o [03:00] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Be sure to read NOTES :) [03:01] that is something... even though i will not need it myself as i do /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart when i am moving my computer [03:01] me too - wifi-radar slackbuild coming shortly [03:01] but my wife for sure would have use of it [03:02] dive: interesting; the wifi-radar dev is a Slackware guy, actually. [03:03] rworkman: isnt gconf optional for the networkmanager stuff? [03:03] like for when you have gnome? [03:03] sahko: Not if you want network-manager-applet. I think it's optional for some of the other subparts too [03:03] sbs` (~sbs@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] rworkman, didn't know that, but he's working on splitting into 2 (aka wicd) and I got him to look into making a systray icon too [03:04] You *need* the applet to actually *do* anything with it, unless perhaps you rebuild kde with NM installed. [03:04] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [03:04] s/aka/ala [03:04] Not sure about that though. [03:04] Don't stroke out on me, but I'm kinda hoping gnome-keyring might be added to Slackware someday. [03:05] (which would bring in GConf) [03:05] ... [03:05] I much prefer the list iface of wifi-radar to wicd [03:05] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:05] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [03:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:07] rworkman: Perhaps gnome would make a comeback? ;-) [03:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:07] stormtracknole: perhaps not :) [03:07] The GSB guys have done a bang-up job with it - no need for us to even *try* to outdo them. [03:08] They sure have. [03:08] I have gsb on both desktop and laptop now. The laptop battery dying didn't help matters, but eventually everything got installed. [03:08] Action: Coke shivers at the thought of gnome and kde [03:08] what the hell is wrong with gnome!? :D [03:09] It caught mono from kissing Microsoft. [03:09] haha [03:09] yeah, but once you have it you don't get it again right? [03:09] Yes, but you can't get rid of it. [03:09] muazfa (~muazfa@118.96.218.213) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:10] It's a virus. [03:10] Quick, someone punch it in the liver! [03:10] And you can spread it. [03:10] rworkman, I prefer the kidneys. [03:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:10] er, yeah.. [03:10] But I'm just evil that way. [03:10] That's what I meant, but my brain was too slow tonight. [03:11] It's okay [03:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] SiegeX_iPh (~SiegeX@166.134.78.80) joined ##slackware. [03:13] rworkman: would bringing nm into Slack mean revamping rc.scripts or it works with what we have now? [03:13] I'm not suggesting that NM come into Slackware :) [03:13] (but it does work fine as is) [03:13] nm? [03:13] network manager [03:14] Ah. [03:14] *IF* it were to come into Slackware, I'd want it in /extra (just as with wicd) as a *replacement* for stock networking scripts [03:14] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-104-105-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:14] I think it needs a whole support structure, so probably a re-structure of the scripts. [03:14] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-71-181.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] ah, ok [03:14] I like Mandriva's solution. It doesn't have as many dependencies and fail. [03:14] Or so I've read. [03:15] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:15] Motoko-chan: did you just join? [03:15] ? [03:15] his pageup is borked [03:15] (or didn't read up a bit?) [03:15] whats mandrivas solution? [03:15] You probably didn't see: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/NetworkManager/ [03:16] I don't monitor this even when I'm idling on it [03:16] sahko, http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Projects/EasyWifi/Development/NetworkManagerCritics [03:16] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:16] It's a bit old, so NetworkManager might have improved since [03:17] sbs` (~sbs@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [03:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:17] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [03:17] does that doc still stand in 2010? [03:17] ok [03:17] Reading, it's really old. [03:17] so what do they use? [03:18] Lots of that is outdated indeed [03:18] Their own rolled solution [03:18] i think they use nm today tbh [03:18] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:18] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:19] NM supports custom distro-specific plugins now, though I'm not sure it's even feasible to write one for us - it would have to parse rc.inet1.conf (and write it) properly [03:19] Running "# rpm -qa | grep -i network | grep -i manager" gave me no results [03:19] Action: mrcarrot tries bitlbee [03:19] guys, is there anyone know how to view dwg files? [03:19] bitlbee is now my prefered way of using IM [03:19] hmmbitlbee <# [03:19] *<3 [03:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. 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[04:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-132-137.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-132-137.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [04:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Hi. [04:16] I am working on the webcam now and want to get it to work so I can record. Reading - http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ but I am confused. [04:16] Do I still need the driver? [04:16] pupiteee (~p@178.223.32.21) joined ##slackware. [04:16] http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/all-the-best-linux-cheat-sheets/ [04:20] MrZhi, cool. [04:20] asarch (~asarch@189.188.152.47) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:21] Gatto (~Romeo~@host120-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:21] good morning [04:22] riza, what is the webcam? [04:23] byteframe, looked like a good enough find to share [04:23] I believe Webcam Pro 9000. [04:24] Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 9000 [04:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:24] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [04:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:26] I think I need http://live.gnome.org/Cheese but there is no slackbuild for it!! [04:27] so make one ? [04:27] Don't have time, I'll just install from source for now. [04:28] riza, able to modprobe uvcvideo? [04:28] Looks like I can. [04:28] I just ran the cmd. [04:31] riza, check lsmod | grep uvc and pastebin what is listed [04:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:31] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:32] http://pastebin.com/8zPkq8dh [04:34] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:34] MLanden, ! [04:37] riza, ok.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam check the mplayer entry and see if it does anything [04:39] mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0:forceaudio:adevice=/dev/dsp1 -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=64:mode=3 -o webcam.avi <-- going to try that now. If my computer crash I'll be back right away. [04:39] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:40] -lameopts is not an MEncoder option [04:40] o.o [04:41] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Hm none of the cmd work, I'm just playing as it but still.. [04:43] riza, does mplayer or gstreamer actually play video from cam? [04:43] oh nice, it looks like titan@support.team.at.shellium.org is constantly trying to rejoin the channel (which is why he joins *right* after the ban is removed) :-) [04:43] Wait I got it to record! [04:44] dive, mplayer works and play. [04:44] But I am learning to record. [04:44] ok [04:44] mencoder tv:// -ovc lavc -o /home/girlza/webcam.avi This plays it but I can't see myself. [04:45] try that driver=... etc from the command you pasted above [04:45] driver=v4l:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 [04:45] What for? Why do I need the device part? [04:45] actaully [04:46] wait [04:46] driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240 [04:46] v4vl2 should be the one to use [04:46] riza, you have to stand in front of the webcam [04:46] riza, mencoder needs device same as mplayer [04:47] oobe, <# [04:47] <3 [04:47] and 4vl2 is the latest v4l driver [04:47] er [04:47] v4l2 [04:48] I would try testing mplayer tv:// followed by tv://0 tv:/1 etc. [04:48] driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 [04:48] No no. [04:49] dive, does some of the uvc need v4l1_compat or is that from the older kernels? [04:49] Here is the thing, the command I gave just now works and record but once I stop it, I can go to the file and play it and see myself. I just can't see myself WHILE it's recording. [04:49] Get it? D: [04:49] alienBOB: ? [04:49] or rworkman ? [04:49] riza, no it doesn't show yourself as recording [04:49] Kowalczyk, you are calling the best cards! [04:49] dive, why not? D: [04:49] hehe :d [04:49] Can I make it show myself while I am recording? [04:49] or Alan_Hicks ?:) [04:49] I have installed Slack 13.1 on LVM partition. So would be mkinitrd -L -c -m ext4 to make it bootable OK? (There is already installed grub) [04:49] dChr (~dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:50] riza, not sure ask in #mplayer perhaps [04:50] MLanden, no idea. I don't think I have it. [04:51] riza, maybe try luvcview in one window and mplay/mencoder in another(when your ready to record) [04:51] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:51] I used ext4 [04:51] -driver=v4l2:width:320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 is not an MEncoder option [04:51] riza, by the way that cheese app is gnome and probably has a multitude of deps [04:51] dive, I checked, only has GNOME as dep, I hope GNOME doesn't have a lot of dep. [04:51] I already have gstreamer. [04:52] gnome has a lot of deps - it's an OS [04:52] luvcview is not a command. D: [04:52] dive, GNOME is an operating system?!! [04:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:52] yes [04:52] riza, how about running mplayer in one term and mencoder in another? [04:53] nickals (~nickals@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Gnome is wrong. Patrik don't like it [04:53] riza, sorry 'bout that....luvcview is 'nother program that can be used..alienbob's got a build for it [04:53] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:54] dChr (dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) left ##slackware. [04:54] dive, tried that just now, it won't let me. [04:54] error? [04:55] I guess only one app can access /dev/video at a time [04:55] Well the error is longish. [04:55] Yep. [04:55] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:55] No sound... [04:55] I was looking for webcam apps myself yesterday... [04:55] jake (~jake@95.144.105.97) joined ##slackware. [04:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [04:56] v4l2: your device driver does not support VIDIOC_G_STD ioctl, VIDIOC_G_PARM was used instead. [04:56] MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. [04:56] yeah I think you can ignore that one [04:56] Noooooooooo. ;_; [04:56] riza, indeed that's the way the stock slackware package is built [04:57] Why!? D: That's like.. basic stuff mannn... [04:57] if you want patented stuff like mp3 need to compile it yourself [04:57] Alright anyway. I don't think mp3 is important. [04:57] plenty of other formats to use [04:57] I mean audio, people will just have to do with me typing away and seeing my big smile on camera. [04:57] Really? What other format? :D [04:57] mplayer -ao help [04:58] dive, <3 I will document that. [04:58] Putting that into good ol' rhisa.com's adventure book. [04:59] try not specifying one [04:59] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:00] It'll say unknown option. And none of the available audio output drivers work. Unless.. they use a different name? [05:00] man mplayer [05:00] brb [05:00] Bah., [05:02] wonder if the usb bandwidth would allow for 3 connections..one for viewing,another for capturing video and the last for capturing audio? [05:03] MLanden, You'd be lucky [05:06] Alright recording now for a test, to see how long it would last and how big it would get. [05:07] What the hell is this? too bad - dropping audio frame ! [05:07] jake, true...might be stressing with 2.0 [05:08] Why do I get 1 (or 2) duplicate frames? [05:08] D: [05:08] Then all of the sudden it gives me the "too bad - dropping audio frame" thingie. :( [05:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [05:09] I would kill every last one of you for the last cup of French Roast in the world. [05:10] Zordrak, why? D: [05:10] riza, well usually because some part of the system can't handle it, or maybe it's dropping dups [05:10] I would step over my own grandmother and assassinate the queen. [05:10] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:10] riza, there is a nodrop option or some such [05:11] dup frames is no problem since the encoder can just use the same frame again [05:11] pupiteee (~p@178.223.32.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:11] Aye now no-drop for the audio is a need. [05:12] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [05:13] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:17] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:19] ncrypthic (dai@118.96.10.181) left ##slackware. [05:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:22] Nope, doing mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -o /home/siva/webcam.avi now and it still drops audio file. [05:22] Reading - http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2004-October/049283.html [05:22] you mean drops frame? [05:22] But that's in 2004, it's 2010 and I have a Q6600. [05:22] Yep. [05:22] well it may be your h/w is too slow [05:22] oh [05:22] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:23] v4l2: 989 frames successfully processed, 714 frames dropped. Wow.. That's scary haha. [05:23] how's it play back? Quality-wise? [05:23] I have an amazing video card too! 9600. [05:23] The playback.. I dunno, looks great. [05:23] Default I would say. [05:23] video card don't come into it [05:23] Oh.. [05:23] CPU and webcam do [05:24] and the sound quality is ok? [05:24] No sound but I don't mind no sound. [05:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:24] In fact I want to tell it no audio by using null but it says null is not recognized. [05:25] there's an option for no sound [05:25] which I don't recall [05:25] man mplayer! [05:25] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:25] The man knows all [05:26] wonder if there might be something in bios to increase the buffer for usb bandwidth [05:26] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:27] is it possible to connect to tightvnc from a Windows client? [05:27] lol [05:28] I checked man, I just wish there was a "find" option. [05:28] cause it sure as hell doesn't feel like it [05:28] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [05:28] riza, press / [05:28] :O!!! [05:28] (vi keybinds) [05:28] and ? [05:29] oops [05:29] / and ? [05:29] Wait there are only two instance of "bad" in mencoder?! I'm trying to find out why it tells me too bad. [05:30] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-101-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:30] I don't think it quotes the error messages [05:30] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Bah Iw ouldn't know where to search. [05:30] better off searching for drop or audio option for nosound [05:31] *if* you really don't want audio [05:32] If I were you I would be looking to grab audio [05:32] dive, yeah but I dunno how. Looks like more trouble than it's worht.. [05:34] my webcam doesn't have a mike so I can't really help with that unfortunately [05:34] ;_;... [05:35] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-38-237.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:36] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [05:36] dive, know any other width and height beside 320 and 240? [05:37] well anything 4:3 ought to work [05:37] depending again on h/w speed [05:37] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] 800:600 doesn't work. D: [05:38] It's skipping frame. [05:38] yeah it would [05:38] And I dunno.. is my cpu bad? D: [05:38] tried 640x480? [05:38] That works awesome. [05:39] I should try 1280x960... [05:39] o0 [05:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:39] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [05:39] NOpe doesn't work. Gah, I'm happy with 640. Now to get sound somehow.. [05:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:42] riza, under /proc/asound/cards ,is it seeing the device? [05:42] v4l2: ioctl set mute failed: Invalid argument [05:43] MLanden, how would I check? o.o [05:44] riza, go to /proc/asound and look at cards and for some more info check devices [05:44] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:45] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:45] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-38-237.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:45] o.o I see files. [05:46] Action: adrien sees dead people [05:47] adrien, any of 'em Elvis?...:) [05:47] mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -oac sdl -o /home/girlza/webcam.avi [05:47] Okay jsut to be clear I am stuf here. [05:47] sdl is one of the available audio output, I tried them all out. So now I am.. just here. Wondering. [05:48] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:49] MLanden: I don't know, everything looks blurry, but one seems to be dancing like him :P [05:50] Woo.. a second engineer has agreed to run Slack on their desktop \o/ [05:50] \o/ [05:50] Zordrak: nice! [05:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:50] adrien, lol.....could be Carl Perkins or Conway...:) [05:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Conway Twitty? ;) [05:51] Zordrak, ask adrien...:) [05:51] ^^ [05:52] nogo (~woodhorse@122-124-131-116.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Ooh God I'm shaking. I'm seeing someone today. [05:58] Action: nogo rolls eyes [05:58] lies! irl doesn't exist! (well, only your mother who feeds you) [06:00] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:01] ;-; [06:01] nogo, adrien I think I have social anxiety. [06:02] thats ok, so does whoever you're meeting from here [06:02] nogo (woodhorse@122-124-131-116.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org expired. [06:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:03] Guest13984 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [06:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:03] Guest13984 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [06:04] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-35-195.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:10] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:10] Anyone able to tell me how to get gtk apps to use the icon theme i have selected? [06:11] jimmyz80, are you using XFCE4? [06:11] no, kde [06:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:13] jimmyz80, try http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/gtk-kde4/ [06:13] ty i'll look into it [06:14] np..had to look that one up..:)..knew there was an app floatin' somewhere [06:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:16] So I got VNC working, now KDE looks like hell in the viewer [06:19] since many people dont read AOLS: http://slackworld.berlios.de/2010/eric-hameleers-on-slackware-13.1.html :) [06:21] Sylvester_Ink (~sylvester@adsl-69-230-16-205.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Quit: pameegjinaas screen -U [06:22] Hey. [06:22] What's one resolution below 640x480? [06:23] 480x320 [06:23] Hey, I'm a bit new to slackware, and I've started using slackbuilds to install extra packages. One of the packages I installed was urlview (to use with mutt) [06:23] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [06:23] I'm pretty certain I installed it properly, but when using it I get a segfault [06:24] looking around it seems like a bug that's been patched in other distros. Is this something I should report to slackbuilds? [06:24] did you use http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/urlview/ ? [06:24] yes, that's the one [06:25] riza,will it allow 480x320? [06:25] Sylvester_Ink: the maintainer is no longer maintaining it so you could submit a script when the submission form is open and/or send an email in the mailing list [06:25] MLanden, yes. [06:25] :) Now I just need to figure out audio. [06:26] riza, whci WM/DE are you using? [06:26] which* [06:26] KDE. [06:27] ririzz [06:27] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:27] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:28] sahko: well, I've never built a slackbuilds script before, so I guess the mailing list would be the right way to go [06:28] ok :) [06:29] marienz (marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [06:29] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [06:30] sahko: one other thing, how do you know when a maintainer is no longer maintaining a script on there? [06:30] Sylvester_Ink: they usually say so on the mailing list [06:31] Ah, got it [06:31] Sylvester_Ink: i picked up one of his scripts a couple of months ago. he has sent an email that he will no longer maintain them [06:31] riza, in kmix,is there an option to switch from the main sound over to the webcam's? check in capture on the webcam's entry and see if there's anything to click it on [06:31] MLanden, I wouldn't know how, I don't see where it says anything about that. [06:35] maybe it's listed under phonon [06:35] I have all of the "capture" checked and all volumes up. So.. [06:35] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [06:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:38] pejman (~root@188.34.71.111) joined ##slackware. [06:41] mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=480:height=320:device=/dev/video0:forceaudio:alsa -ovc lavc -oac pcm -o /home/girlza/webcam.avi [06:41] Should suffice. [06:42] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 608 seconds [06:45] dChr (~dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:45] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Changing host [06:45] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Oh God I am really going to do the video recording with this person. I am so nervous. >< [06:46] Sylvester_Ink (~sylvester@adsl-69-230-16-205.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:46] ? [06:49] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [06:50] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [06:51] good afternoon folks.. [06:52] Hi mancha. Good morning. [06:52] herro riza [06:53] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:53] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:54] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Changing host [06:54] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Don't herro me! [06:54] I'm not retarded! [06:54] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:55] pejman (root@188.34.71.111) left ##slackware. [06:56] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Client Quit [06:56] ? [06:56] herro != hewwo [06:57] I know. [06:57] tsonev_ (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:57] I found it funny to say what I just said. xD [06:57] riiiight [06:57] tsonev_ (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:57] wiiight [06:57] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [06:57] iiight [06:57] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:58] <3 mancha You are good, I'd cry if you stopped helping me. [06:58] riza, in mencoder -tv options you can set advice=blabla [06:58] cry me a river! [06:58] adevice* [06:59] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Client Quit [06:59] dive, why would I do that? [06:59] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [06:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:59] mancha, ;_;.. No... I was only jesting. [06:59] record audio [06:59] dive, what would blabla be? [06:59] just tried it [06:59] Zordrak, wanted to ask you... I remember you mentioning a bug with xfs and lvm on slack 13.0, was there one or am I making it up? [06:59] well whatever your webcam uses for sound - maybe alsa=hw=n,n [06:59] You just tried blabla? D: [07:00] Action: dive shoots riza in the foot [07:00] Action: riza cries. [07:00] mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:forceaudio:adevice=/dev/dsp tv:// -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -o stream.avi [07:01] for example [07:01] well _you_ can't use mp3lame [07:01] I can cos I recompiled mplayer [07:02] Still no sound with pcm. [07:03] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:03] well you may need adevice=alsa=hw=N,N [07:03] slava_dp: there is. It's when you combine XFS + NFS [07:03] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] I've no idea what alsa device it is but aplay -l might show it [07:04] I'm using /dev/dsp cause alsa didn't work for me [07:04] slava_dp: usually accompanied either by a kernel oops/panic or just syslog entries that say "npd != pd" [07:04] Wow a long list dive, which one do I use? D: [07:04] dive, speakin' 'bout mplayer,someone was asking here about using that g2m codec(going 2 meeting) and the even though mplayer has it listed as supported..only thing I could tell him is try and compile latest SVN and cross his fingers [07:04] I would like to know why my system is ignoring how I my "here's where i'll keep random crap" partition in fstab... [07:04] how i set up* [07:05] jimmyz80: ok.. and how did you set it up? [07:05] MLanden, g2m? Don't know that one. [07:05] rw,user [07:05] which should be read write..any user, correct? [07:06] dive, proprietary..used for online seminars..only heard of it a few times myself [07:06] slackytude|evil (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) joined ##slackware. [07:06] jimmyz80: stop. rewind. Clearly state what your problem is. Then clearly state your configuration. [07:06] MLanden, hmm [07:07] MLanden, well if it's supported he will probably need install g2m and recompile mplayer (if it doesn't support it internally) [07:07] I think thats clear...the options for the partition are rw,user but i cannot create,delete,edit,etc anything unless doing so as root [07:07] MLanden, that's what I had to do with amr [07:07] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 604 seconds [07:08] Zordrak, thanks, that seems not to be the one I've hit. [07:08] jimmyz80: users means the owner of the device. Maybe your are looking at "users"? [07:08] s/users/user [07:09] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [07:09] slava_dp: what have you hit? (hoping i dont hit it too) [07:09] dive, which amr? opencore? [07:09] MLanden, yep [07:10] MLanden, for mobile phone videos [07:10] dive, how's the playback? [07:10] fine [07:11] Zordrak, you won't. it seems to be interrupt-related on this box. it's just that the backtrace shows functions containing xfs and mdraid, that's why I asked about xfs. [07:11] seen some apps messing with that codec with xine-lib [07:11] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [07:12] kk [07:13] MLanden, I normally avoid xine like the plague - works fine in mplayer [07:13] Action: slava_dp <3 xine [07:13] jimmyz80, where is partition mounted? [07:15] jimmyz80, umount /mnt/whatever && chmod a+rwx /mnt/whatever && mount /mnt/whatever [07:15] jimmyz80: its not tearly clear enough [07:15] *clearly [07:15] bah [07:15] jimmyz80: pastebin `ls -ld /mountpoint` and your fstab [07:15] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:15] jimmyz80, and defaults should work - don't need specify rw,user,exec etc [07:16] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [07:16] since that's what defaults includes anyway [07:17] dive, just said seen...prob'ly on the same level as gstreamer(still in the bad plugin list) [07:17] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:17] Vanger_ (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [07:18] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:20] MLanden, gst-plugins-decidedlyevilandwillrmyourrootfs :-) [07:21] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:21] ... [07:21] lol [07:22] mcury (~mcury@189.24.31.162) joined ##slackware. [07:24] mcury (~mcury@189.24.31.162) left irc: Client Quit [07:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqsZQlyXiBY [07:25] mancha: comment? [07:26] we won't be making any comments as this is an ongoing investigation [07:27] Hm, so I got music to run without any gui, I can get irc to run without any gui. [07:27] Is it possible to get aim or msn stuff to run without gui? [07:27] centerim [07:27] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 600 seconds [07:28] Can centerim log? [07:28] Yes it can, what a silly question. [07:28] go do some homework [07:28] riza: give bitlbee a try too [07:28] riza, or finch (comes with pidgin) [07:29] dive, oh that's incredible! [07:29] I know I am [07:29] bitchx is a good console irc client [07:29] oh wait... [07:29] Vanger_ (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:29] ...... [07:29] You are good dive, for knowing that. [07:30] So I also have emacs for what I need. Finch, mplayer, what else.. [07:30] well you just find these things after some time [07:30] vim! [07:30] mutt [07:30] too bad bitchx died, or are the rumors of resurrection true? [07:30] what good is chrooting ssh? [07:30] Liquid-Silence (~Liquid-Si@about/csharp/regular/liquid-silence) joined ##slackware. [07:30] hi all [07:30] I am thinking of moving to slackware [07:30] :D [07:31] MrZhi nothing [07:31] Come here Liquid-Silence, it's worth it. [07:31] Liquid-Silence: actions speak louder than words [07:31] riza: question though I see there is no package management :) [07:31] *cough* [07:31] so I will need to compile by hand [07:31] mancha, that's what I'm thinking [07:31] which is fine I have done it before :) [07:31] no *cough* package management>> [07:31] but don't you have depency hell? [07:31] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:31] cause you ssh to administer or gain access to system programs.... the point is access [07:32] Liquid-Silence: are you being serious or trolling? [07:32] Liquid-Silence, no we have _no_ dependency hell [07:32] Zordrak: serious crapping slack64 13.0 install dvd now [07:32] crapping = grabbing [07:32] sorry [07:32] Liquid-Silence: uh. 13.1 is out... [07:32] MrZhi in my opinion that isn't where you apply ssh security. [07:32] Liquid-Silence, installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg, slackpkg, sbopkg = package management [07:32] yeah local mirror only has 13.0 [07:32] and that's right, i use ssh to login to a system i can fully administer [07:32] Liquid-Silence: then use a different mirror [07:32] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Zordrak: @ 80 ZAR per gig [07:33] heh [07:33] Liquid-Silence: or better use the torrent from the slackware site [07:33] Zordrak: local mirror is free [07:33] no bandwidth used [07:33] riza, see from sourceforge there's 'nother MSN client called gtmess...YMMV [07:33] Liquid-Silence: ok whatever [07:34] Liquid-Silence, I would really really reccomend installing 13.1 [07:34] Zordrak: where can I read about package management? [07:34] dive: grabbing the torrent now [07:34] WHat's YMMV? [07:34] s/recco/recomm [07:34] Liquid-Silence: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/28/slackware-package-management-guide/ [07:34] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [07:34] riza, Your Milage May Vary [07:35] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [07:35] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [07:35] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Client Quit [07:35] Thank you. [07:35] Zordrak: and slackpkg is 100% fine [07:35] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [07:35] no issues? [07:35] Liquid-Silence: 900% [07:36] riza, just a 'nother way of saying you might or might not like it..:) [07:36] and the choice of wm / de around you guys is? [07:36] Liquid-Silence: whatever suits you best for the job at hand [07:36] Liquid-Silence, many, just type xwmconfig and choose [07:36] oh? [07:36] lol [07:36] Liquid-Silence, just come to Slackware's side. :) [07:36] seems much better then arch [07:37] Liquid-Silence: bob and i use KDE4, some use xfce, some use fluxbox, a few use openbox [07:37] Liquid-Silence: and theres still more options [07:37] slackware-13.1-install-dvd.iso404.6 kB/s - 77.8 MB of 4 GB, 2 hours left [07:37] Zordrak: I am a openbox user myself [07:37] 4 gigs in 2 hours is quite good, how fat's that pipe? [07:37] Liquid-Silence: like i said, whatever suits you best for the job at hand [07:37] mancha: 4mb [07:38] can I ask a question with out being blasted? [07:38] What makes slackware better? [07:38] you [07:38] Liquid-Silence, it's the closest thing to Unix. [07:38] er... [07:38] riza: bsd is [07:38] Liquid-Silence: google it. That question has been answered a million times [07:39] Oh well. Google taim. :D [07:39] Liquid i like the assumption it makes, namely that I am in charge. [07:39] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Liquid-Silence: but in three words: Simplicity, Stability, Security. [07:39] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.252) joined ##slackware. [07:39] :d [07:39] Liquid-Silence, slackware is very simple. [07:39] all distros are the same anyway bar package management and init / rc scripts [07:39] right? [07:40] Liquid-Silence: no [07:40] doesn't patch s/w or kernel like some distros do either [07:40] Like dive says, slackware gives you what upstream gave it [07:40] Liquid-Silence, many distros patch everything like it's going out of fashion [07:40] Liquid-Silence, not at all. For example Debian doesn't use kernel anymore. [07:41] configuration is more often than not down to a single config file.. not three in diffirint places that are all managed by a stupid UI [07:41] Ubuntu is seriously as close to Windows as it get so you'll see very little backends, even if you wanted to, etc. [07:41] riza, I would say that KDE is closer to windows than Gnome [07:41] dive, I mean the way Ubuntu is setup. [07:41] for iface anyway [07:41] Ya. [07:41] Liquid-Silence: plus the provided software is different.. slack doesnt use pam and uses inetd not xinetd [07:41] You are right. [07:42] it uses lilo not grub [07:42] hopefully XFCE 4.8 won't be a PITA [07:42] riza, yeah but try configuring anything in ubuntu - get tired of typing in root pass? [07:42] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] it uses hal to provide hw info to X instead of an xorg.conf [07:42] 4.8 is a far ways away i think [07:42] though initially slated for april/may/june i thinnk the 4.6.2 recent release was a signal that 4.8 isn't around the corner [07:43] dive, oh. :) Didn't know that. [07:43] riza, mind you windows is the same so you're correct about that [07:43] mancha, thanks...so I'm reading [07:44] at least if windows is set up with a user a/c that isn't admin [07:44] yes, the project is going through a manpower crisis i fear [07:45] Windows Vista and up. I don't think Windows XP bugs you about that often. [07:45] it ought to if you are just a normal user [07:46] depends how you lock it down [07:46] True, have to get into the Security Policy thingie and I never bothered with that since I never setup a domain / group thingie. [07:46] normal user in windows? 99.9999% of people run with admin privs. they don't even know there is a thing called a nroaml user [07:46] by default it makes firts user a/c as admin [07:46] mancha, they do where I work ;-) [07:47] locked all the fuckers out and called admin a/c 'root' hehe [07:47] hah [07:47] ok so you're the "one" [07:47] pardon my language [07:47] everyone else is runnign things in ring 0. i mean how else can we keep the malware authors in binnes [07:48] mancha: you mention ring 0, i mention openvpn's awesomeness [07:49] i like openvpn a lot. but my heart will always be with ipsec [07:55] Aidar-Nagato (admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [07:55] mancha: why (in the expletive deleted etc) [07:56] world is a curse word now? [07:56] mf pc'ers [07:58] New NVIDIA driver out today [07:59] 195.36.31 [08:01] wtf? [08:01] Zordrak, man I'm scared to upgrade my nvidia driver. [08:01] ftw? [08:01] I was just on there like 3 hours ago grabbing the drivers [08:02] ... [08:03] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org expired. [08:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:04] Guest13984 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@support.team.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:04] Guest13984 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You seem to know exactly how far to push things before leaving the channel, which tells me that you deserve a ban anyway. Five days. Stop being such a drama queen. [08:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:11] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:11] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:12] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [08:15] i like the ban message for Guest13984 :D [08:15] cippp (~fan@79.116.171.144) joined ##slackware. [08:16] johndee (~id@93-81-116-63.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:17] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:17] goarilla: it's *HIGHLY* appropriate [08:18] indeed [08:19] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] as much as I hate to admit, he fired off a perl fork bomb on my box not too long ago when I supplied him with an account outta stupidity on my part [08:22] MrZhi: really? [08:22] yeppers [08:22] wow, that's a big no-no in internet land, heh [08:22] that deserves permaban imo [08:22] instead of just saying that he did it, he tried to clear out the bash_history [08:23] how'd he fail at that? [08:23] I accept responsibility for commiting the ulitmate sin of letting an unknown have a shell, but shit man... that fork bomb was the 6th command he issued [08:24] whats about the nouveau driver in-kernel ? [08:24] forkbomb ? don't you have ulimit set to a reasonable default ? [08:25] goarilla: I had just finished setting a fresh install of 13.1 and was giving out to a few buds, and gave him one, then went to bed .... with no ulimits set [08:26] woke up a few hours later to 15000 processes, give or take a couple 100 [08:26] crazy, i've never given out a shell account let alone let a stranger have access [08:27] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [08:27] did he ask for it? [08:27] yeah, cause I was talkin in chan about it [08:28] Come to find out it's kinda like his M.O. [08:28] MrZhi: did you bring out the fork bomb protection discussion in the channel too? I recall someone did. [08:28] AEnima1587g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [08:29] i just wonder what they would need a shell account for [08:29] maybe [08:29] i don't even let my web developers have a shell account, they can only sftp and thats it [08:29] goarilla (~kjp@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:30] Skywise, well he was in one of the shell provider channels [08:30] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:30] so I thought I [08:30] people can be inexplicable douchebags on the net [08:30] *i'd be a good samaritian and yeah... learned [08:31] =\ [08:31] they'd do things that they'd afraid to get punch out for in real life [08:32] rafu (slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [08:32] fred: hello, are you around? [08:32] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [08:32] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [08:32] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:32] that's so true [08:32] how would you secure your box without PAM(limits.conf) ? [08:33] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:33] dChr: be bit more specific? [08:34] Dominian: against a fork bomb for example [08:34] dChr: edit /etc/limits [08:34] keep users off your box [08:34] ^^ good one too [08:35] and what MrZhi stated [08:35] dChr: you can set ulimits [08:35] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [08:35] MrZhi: Dominian: nice. [08:36] but it's a pain in the ass to research /etc/limits since it seems like debian has posioned the pool with it's "/etc/security/limits.conf" [08:36] I used to have a script somewhere that set some sane defaults [08:36] I've lots it though [08:36] er.. lost it [08:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Dominian is losing it. [08:37] s/is losing/lost [08:37] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:37] bah [08:37] mine wsa funnier. [08:37] kinda [08:38] thumbs: problem is, comedy just isn't your thing [08:41] Dominian: that's not true! [08:41] hehe [08:41] I make fun of rob0 all the time. [08:41] he can't sing either [08:42] thumbs: well that's not hard to do! [08:42] thumbs: did you see our favorite person in #postfix yestesrday? [08:42] Dominian: well it's the only fun thing I'm allowed to do all week, so I rejoice in it. [08:42] Dominian: yes. [08:42] heh [08:43] Dominian: he was blasted into pieces, too, which I liked. [08:43] yes.. that he was [08:43] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:43] and he pulled the "I'll make a smartass remark and /quit before anyone says anything therefore in my mind I'm smart and they are wrong!" move [08:44] Dominian: he always does that, without exception. [08:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:44] hah [08:44] Dominian: we should really just +q him. [08:44] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:44] +q rob0? [08:44] thumbs: agreed [08:44] slackytude|evil: no [08:44] slackytude|evil: no. [08:44] ah [08:44] nv, [08:44] nvm [08:44] slackytude|evil: seanjohn [08:44] He's a cancer [08:44] a troll? [08:45] ah [08:45] noobfarm him [08:45] not so much a troll, but an idiot who thinks he's not an idiot [08:45] so all can laugh [08:45] puff daddy is a troll? [08:45] Dominian: if it were #httpd, I would have banned him instantly. [08:45] slackytude|evil: Well, it wouldn't be funny to most... the issues we see are Postfix related to configs and proper configuration of the MTA.. this guy is clueless [08:45] Unsichtbar (titan@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [08:45] Dominian, heh [08:45] Dominian, must people would say noobfarm aint funny [08:45] most [08:45] goarilla (~kjp@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [08:46] crap i just tested it [08:46] slackytude|evil: aye.. unless you're a 'geek' or what not ;) [08:46] yepp [08:46] goarilla: You just tested crap? [08:46] ulimit protection against forkbombs doesn't work as well as before [08:46] Action: Dominian is curous how you do that [08:46] it used to be the forkbombing shell would get killed iirc [08:46] Dominian: op yourself in #postfix, and set a +q! [08:47] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [08:47] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:48] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) joined ##slackware. [08:48] haha [08:49] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:49] Dominian: I'll take the blame for it, it's fine. [08:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Kenjiro: hi? [08:51] Does anyone else feel the generic kernel could suffer a little trimming? [08:53] xMDKx (~mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Action: NthDegree runs -huge [08:53] I think it should be -huge or custom [08:53] NthDegree: Neither of the things you just said made sense. [08:53] since -generic has never worked fully OOTB [08:53] well, not for me [08:54] Zordrak: I mean kernel-huge [08:54] NthDegree: i know what you meant. But running huge is just ... well there's no adjective for it. [08:54] NthDegree: and generic was never supposed to just work out of the box [08:55] if generic isn't supposed to work out of the box, then it's a waste being there [08:55] NthDegree: although its taken great steps towards it in recent times with basically all the ata controllers and FSes being thrown in [08:55] since one could just go and make a custom kernel [08:55] NthDegree: no.. the intention is that you create an initrd to use with generic [08:55] NthDegree: which means it doesnt work OOTB, but it works after running one command [08:56] nope, doesn't work with an initrd for me either :| [08:56] NthDegree: sux2bu [08:56] in 12.1 it missed out network drivers I needed on my old PC [08:56] on my new PC with 13.1 it won't mount the root filesystem, I think due to not having the appropriate HDD support [08:57] regardless.. im suggesting that theres a large amount of cruft that ought not be in the generic at the moment [08:57] Theres a *lot* of rather s-purious hardware support that barely anyone outside of certain R&D depts would even use [08:58] Hm. [08:58] ah [08:59] not to mention every low-level scsi driver under the sun that anyone who needed them could easily compile with a liitle intruction. [08:59] im65KG (~coolshoul@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [08:59] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [08:59] Step 1: add to configure, Step 2: make modules' Step 3: make modules_install [08:59] 20 seconds tops [09:00] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:00] So for the sake of a few individuals taking 20s out of their life to add their miscellaneuos driver, everyone who runs with (or close to) generic gets a load of cruyt they dont need. [09:01] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [09:01] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [09:01] I just read an article on lwn about that [09:01] http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ [09:01] LPC: Booting Linux in five seconds [09:01] Action: Zordrak looks [09:01] They argue that for a service that only a handfull need, everybody else gets delays [09:02] Will give it a read througch [09:02] most of the lwn stuff is nice [09:02] always worth a glance [09:02] certainly at the mo im only talking about slack and pat's decisions on generic [09:02] oh well [09:02] mrcarrot (lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [09:02] Ive become to lazy, I just use generic and initrd [09:03] I simply dont care enough. [09:03] slackytude|evil: thats exactly the point [09:03] slackytude|evil: i make my own customs that i strip to the core.. [09:03] If I had some free time Id probably make a custom kernel [09:03] yeah [09:03] slackytude|evil: but for people like you, you get what youre given [09:03] and youre given waaaaay too much [09:03] true enough [09:03] but it works [09:03] and thats all I need atm [09:04] yes. slackware just works. [09:04] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D2C7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:04] indeed.. but it would still work if you didnt have ARCnet support [09:04] and IPX/SPX support [09:04] sure enough [09:04] and MPT support [09:04] and a hundred other things that barely anyone in the world ever goes near [09:05] i dont think the kernel source is as bloated as Linus does.. i think it provides a lot of flexibility.. but the standard inclusions that every distro choose to add are what make the compiled kernels so bloated [09:06] goarilla (~kjp@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:06] Zordrak: but support for devices rarely adds slowdown to the kernel, so why not? [09:07] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:07] hackedhead: well its swings and roundabouts.. some of the stuff makes a real/ difference some doesnt [09:07] but surely principle is the key [09:08] slackware is designed to be run by people who know at least a little about what theyre doing and are not given what they dont ask for......... excpet in the kernel [09:08] Zordrak: *shrug* i build a custom stripped kernel too, but that's just b/c i enjoy it. [09:08] Zordrak: I disagree [09:09] thumbs: am i finally to have someone provide a reasoned argument to the contrary? [09:09] Zordrak: a slightly larger kernel is the fallback resource for support. You're free, and encouraged to tweak it. [09:09] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:09] thumbs: sure.. but isnt that what huge is for? [09:09] hackedhead, but it does slowdown [09:09] Zordrak: no, huge is for installation. [09:10] thumbs: and diagnostics [09:10] Zordrak: the other kernel is for day-to-day operations, and it has enough builtins and modules to support most configurations. [09:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:10] thumbs: then perhaps there should be three. s/huge,generic/huge,large,small/ ? [09:10] Zordrak: think about it: if Pat were to ship an extremely slim kernel, you'd get tons of users who couldn't use some hardware [09:11] Zordrak: I like that better [09:11] fred: may I pvt you? [09:11] fred: (sorry, I was busy elsewhere) [09:11] thumbs: i guess i just yearn for a much slimmer starting point [09:11] Zordrak: consider it part of the learning process. [09:12] thumbs: because of the trust i have in pat to make a kernel the right way for slack (ie where there are choices to make rather than just things to include or exclude) i like to start my custom configs from generic... but i spend so much time stripping it out its not always worth it [09:12] Zordrak: so download a vanilla copy of the kernel's source tree. that's slim to start with. [09:13] eg i dont know some things off the top of my head about whether slack expects one of two competing options.. or whether to go tickless etc [09:13] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:13] Zordrak: so figure it out once and then save the config to refer to in the future? [09:13] Zordrak: hardware support will always be tricky. You can't exclude too much without alienating other users. [09:14] id like to have a "this is everything that *absolutely necessary* for a slack install.. now add the modules you need to make your system run [09:14] hackedhead: the config changes over time as versions bump and changes happen in slack [09:14] Zordrak: yes, and the kernels own config tool is usually capable of sorting that out [09:15] i'd bet that it's quite rare that a change happens in slack that affects what's needed in the kernel in a terribly complex fashion [09:15] Kenjiro: sure. [09:15] hackedhead: i think you're missing the point [09:15] hackedhead: pat can do whatever he thinks is necessary [09:16] hackedhead: but id like to see him put out a config that is "this is ALL that I think is necessary" [09:16] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:16] v4nelle (~van@79.107.231.98) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Zordrak: and i think you're missing mine: pat's probably got enough on his plate as it is, and kernel config is easy enough for users like you and i who want slim kernels to handle on our own [09:17] asarch (~asarch@187.132.136.219) joined ##slackware. [09:18] hackedhead: pat almost certainly already HAS what im asking for [09:18] hackedhead: in creating a distro kernel from scratch he's already had to make the decisions.. then in order to create generic and huge he's just thrown extra shit at the core he started from [09:18] hackedhead: im just asking for access to that core [09:19] marienz (marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left ##slackware. [09:19] maybe, but generic could be the baseline. [09:20] generic ferels too big for him, heh [09:20] feels, too [09:20] hackedhead: perhaps. But that's information I dont have. IFF generic is truly Pat's baseline then fine.. but i doubt it [09:21] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:21] while im on the topic id also like to see ssmtp in slack [09:22] i dont like that in a quick setup, if i want system messages to route to me from a new box, i have to turn sendmail on [09:22] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:22] its so much more than is necessary for a basic client or server setup [09:23] hello, I was concerned about my /dev/shm partition being full yesterday, I restarted hopeing, it would not be full, and now my screen session shoots me an error "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check [09:23] but thats less of a concern than the kernel as the kernel costs me time, sendmail doesnt reallp [09:24] Desiderius (~DC@195.221.162.126) joined ##slackware. [09:26] stupid single core pos :( 24m for a super-slim [09:26] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[09:32] MLanden: :) [09:32] jake (~jake@95.144.105.97) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:33] Zordrak: regarding the kernel config I think _you_ are missing the point: the generic kernel config is what Pat thinks is good. there is no such thing as a "core" config on top of which he builds a "full" kernel config. What you see is all it takes [09:33] dChr: I'd recommend porting it over then [09:33] alienBOB: i am surprised. [09:33] Why [09:33] alienBOB:well.. ok maybe id be suprised if Pat used revision cotrol [09:33] Indeed. He does not [09:33] I do [09:34] indeedily [09:35] alienBOB: maybe _for me_ the answer is to use rc myself. Then i can put a clean custem config in and when a new slack kernel ships i can more easily track changes rather than just start stripping from scratch [09:35] dChr: you can install denyhosts manually or install fail2ban from slackbuilds [09:35] muraii (~muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [09:36] v3gard: i was just gonna mention fail2ban [09:36] too late ;-) [09:37] v3gard: nice. Fail2ban seems to have more features than denyhosts. Thank you. [09:37] NeanT (~me@188.26.209.144) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: No route to host [09:38] Zordrak: i feel like i said that ten minutes ago, but okay... [09:39] hackedhead: alienBOB was able to authoritatively clarify where pat starts [09:39] dChr: yw [09:41] 27MB RAM after boot. Bootiful. [09:45] Axius (~fd@109.97.54.162) joined ##slackware. [09:50] fail2ban is nice [09:51] hello, I was concerned about my /dev/shm partition being full yesterday, I restarted hopeing, it would not be full, and now my screen session shoots me an error "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check [09:51] cippp (~fan@79.116.171.144) left irc: Quit: cippp [09:52] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-161.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:40] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:41] GOOOD MORNING~! what a beautiful day in the F-L-A! [10:42] i frigging hate diff/patch [10:42] sbs (~sbs@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:43] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:43] did you forget -p1 [10:44] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i LOVE morning farts [10:44] i'll save some for you [10:44] (_8(|) doh [10:44] my own [10:46] i have to say thats the best emoticon i've seen [10:47] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:47] anybody, help me out with understanding what tmpfs is doing? [10:47] what do you think its happening [10:48] Skywise: no.. i forget to start the patho with ./ [10:48] sam__ (~sam@59.93.199.135) joined ##slackware. [10:49] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.136) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:51] This will probably seem like a stupid question, but, if any irc client is part of the default slackware 13 install? I've tried bitchx, ircII and just find|grep -i irc, and not seen anything obvious. [10:52] they would be in diskset n [10:52] did you look in PACKAGES.TXT? [10:52] I think that I am running so many processes at once, that the harddisk ram is getting used up to 100% [10:52] no, but I will now [10:53] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Sorry, I'm a noob. I'll go google packages.txt. [10:54] yea, through that was directed to me, think thats for you valkenar [10:55] try "locate PACKAGES.TXT" [10:55] valkenar, its in your slackware source [10:55] then "less [OUTPUT]/PACKAGES.TXT" [10:55] AEnima1577, tempfs is a ram disk, it holds files in memory for faster access [10:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-254-33.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:56] Yeah, I did a find|grep -i packages.txt and didn't see it. I installed off a CD a year ago or something. Anyway, I think I've found it on the slackware site. [10:56] But shouldn't the os, know that the regual, non-harddriks, is the faster ram, and Use that up entirely, before storing anything in the harddisk ram [10:56] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-243-217.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] and when I do an "htop" [10:57] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:57] no, the filesystem uses it for its demands [10:57] I see that mem is at 256/996 MB and Swp is at 0/671MB [10:58] yeah you're not using any swap [10:58] but my dh -h says there is 0% free [10:58] tmpfs is the converse of swap. it's for putting parts of the harddisk in RAM, not part of RAM on the harddisk [10:58] tempfs will dynamically resize [10:58] but won't use more then half of ram [10:59] o, so tmpfs is the mounting of the ram as a "file system space form" [10:59] i don't think it shows up as consuming resources [10:59] Is there any dhcpd script in slackware? [10:59] Skywise: so then does it even matter if tmpfs(/dev/shm) is "full" ? [10:59] I have not seen my change during any df -h, and I have been rebooting, and doing a lot of "peaky" ram intensive things [10:59] no, it should always be about full [10:59] Skywise: mine [11:00] 's almost always empty [11:00] dChr (dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) left ##slackware. [11:00] but okay. [11:00] you may not need it, or aren't using it [11:00] so why is yours almost empty hackedhead? [11:00] apparently. [11:00] no idea [11:00] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:00] weird [11:00] apparently i'm not in the habit of doing things that use/request it [11:00] not that i know what those are. [11:00] are you running no X server currently hackedhead? [11:00] X is running [11:01] humph, I would have suspected, that that might be the difference [11:01] though not much. X/mpd/chrome/ [11:01] sbs (~sbs@CPE001ee57a9930-CM001a6683085e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:01] I have, X, vncserver, firefox, samba, [11:01] well, i guess if it's not making the system crashy, don't worry about it [11:02] ok [11:02] i can believe samba might be using it heavily [11:02] if you're using samba a lot [11:02] yea, streaming media to another computer [11:02] i bet that's it [11:02] i wouldnt think that that ram intensive on a decent wireless network [11:02] it's caching the files from the network into RAM-disk [11:02] ooooo [11:02] it's not RAM [11:03] tmpfs is for caching files into RAM, where they can be gotten faster [11:03] init[1]|00 (ca5329b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.83.41.181) joined ##slackware. [11:03] I supose it would do that dependent upon the clients ability to store ram too, you think? [11:03] only if you're running out of available RAM [11:03] which you're not, according to htop [11:03] i dunno, you'd have to have things that use it [11:03] i expect proc to be tempfs [11:04] er tmpfs [11:05] Are the Xfce and KDE versions bundled with 13.1 significantly more polished than those in 13.0 stock? [11:05] so 'gents, if I wanted to steer this conversation towards a discussion on RAID configs, should I just move along to a #RAID room? [11:06] nah, just get raid 1 and use backups [11:06] raid 1 will let you dodge the first bullet and thats all you need [11:06] radi 1 = stripe? [11:06] no, mirror [11:06] 0 is stripe [11:06] ah [11:06] whats the simplest methoed for telling a bash script to pause until ping succeeds? [11:06] , well I had a fairly large crash, without warning, recently, and I have enough of old hardware, where I feel like I should never actually loose any data upon a single HD crash [11:07] Axius (~fd@109.97.54.162) joined ##slackware. [11:07] try #bash Zordrak, I know those guys will know [11:07] or is it ##bash ? [11:08] raid provides fault tolerance, but you still need backup [11:08] init[1]|00 (ca5329b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.83.41.181) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:08] raid 1 gives you a complete copy of the disk [11:08] and since tb drives are cheap, its easy to get 2 for less then $100 [11:08] valkenar (~valkenar@75.150.66.197) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [11:09] ~85 for a 1 TB I think [11:09] tiger direct has seagate 1tb drives for $40 [11:09] sure those arent just cases? [11:10] wow thats cheap [11:10] hrm [11:10] yeah, the 3 tb drives are commin [11:10] Hi. I want to setup my linux box as a router, having an eth0 and wlan0 (wifi card). I put on wlan0 a hostpad access point, that works ok, I can connect to it, but the thing is i get limited connectivity on the client. [11:10] i also setup my dhcpd.conf as in this guide http://www.robert-heyward.com/rjh/?page_id=12 [11:10] need to get the old stuff out of the wya [11:10] way [11:10] my eth0 is a wired, direct connection with a static IP assigned by MAC. [11:12] not a big fan of throwing old hardware away, when I think I can make some use of it [11:13] telperion (~Adium@190.156.18.200) joined ##slackware. [11:13] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [11:13] telperion (~Adium@190.156.18.200) left irc: Client Quit [11:13] Maybe wiser to have three 1-TB drives than one 3-TB drive, yes? [11:13] you have to consider its reliability [11:13] im65KG (~coolshoul@119.137.91.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:14] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] well, you have 3x the risk with the single device, but all are compromised by a single disk failure [11:15] Woo... i solved my NFS on-boot mount failure [11:16] Hmm. [11:16] sam__ (~sam@59.93.199.135) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] rc.inet2: After the "if" that checks if there's any NFS in fstab: while ! ping -c1 &>/dev/null; do echo "Waiting for network before mounting NFS";sleep 1;done [11:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:17] Axius (~fd@109.97.54.162) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:18] Zordrak: will you send a patch to Pat? [11:18] thumbs: No. I don't think he'd even consider it. [11:18] thumbs: he *might* if i added a timeout on failure [11:19] thumbs: but as i understand it his p.osition on the net rc scripts is that they are examples that work in most cases.. if you want it different then change it [11:19] Action: muraii will send Pat an eye patch for Talk Like a Pirate Day. [11:19] thumbs: partially why he was reticent to accept a patch that swapped out ifconfig for ip [11:20] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:24] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:24] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.42.143) joined ##slackware. [11:25] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [11:26] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:27] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] I already have the X11 support for Elvis [11:28] \o/ [11:28] can anyone please tell me what's the diff between dhcpd and dhcpcd? [11:29] d is the server daemon cd is the client daemon [11:29] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [11:31] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:13] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-201188.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:13] ikhider (~ikhider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.178) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Greetings Slackers. I tried to install Slackware on my desktop (I am a newb)I have a 64G SS disk and a terrabyte drive. The install disc does not recognize my SS drive where I want my OS to go--and I want the terrabyte to be my /home [12:15] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:15] I finally prepared a working set of compiz suite. [12:15] It's for 13.1 [12:15] Rejoice [12:15] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Greetings. Im using a dell laptop but i'm not able to use any fan control. dellfand crashes, i8kctl works for some seconds only. Is there another way to set fan states ? (even though im not able to reach them via /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/) [12:16] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B158E4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] i use 'xrandr --auto' to get output on external screen, but the resolution is not suitable for that external screen. what command should i use to change screen resolution (specifically from 1280x800 to 1024x768) ? [12:17] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B158E4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B158E4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] fonseg: maybe xrand -s 1024x768 [12:18] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:18] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Slackware does not support SS drives yet I guess... [12:19] SS drives? [12:19] SSD? [12:19] why wouldn't it support them? [12:19] ikhider: I'm not familiar with that, but my hunch is that it's a Linux kernel/driver issue more than a distro issue. [12:19] aperturefever: "Size 1024x768 not found in available modes". is there a way to add this mode? [12:20] there should be no difference to slackware, checked the cables? first time you use this disk? [12:20] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.196.209.222) joined ##slackware. [12:20] adrien: Yes, solid state drives [12:20] The installer disc keep missing it [12:20] Does anybody want to install compiz on slackware? [12:21] why would anyone do a silly thing like that? [12:21] crocket: it's in xap/ [12:21] compiz is in x/ I think [12:21] fonseg: I have been equally confused about xrandr, but if you diligently read the docs, it should make sense. [12:21] ikhider: you tried with something else [12:21] thrice`: damn, definitely [12:21] adrien : It's not just compiz, but also the entire compiz suite. [12:21] adrien: Tried what? [12:21] I prepared the entire compiz suite. [12:22] muraii: ok, just trying to do this task without restart X [12:22] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:22] crocket: made a slackbuild? [12:22] ikhider: does anything else see the drive? does the bios see it? [12:22] fonseg: You shouldn't need to. The part that confused me was that modular X doesn't use an xorg.conf anymore, so I wasn't sure where to enter the display mode. [12:22] adrien : yes [12:22] adrien : with a little modification, I can submit it to slackbuilds. [12:23] the compiz suite. [12:23] adrien: Yes, I have installed other distros on the drive [12:23] libcanberra, metacity, compiz, compizconfig-python, etc. [12:23] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.196.209.222) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:23] Even emerald [12:23] adrien: I wanted to give slackware a whirl [12:23] fonseg: I can't recall what I did, unfortunately. [12:24] crocket: They'll tell you in #slackbuilds if you haven't already covered it, but the templates are updated and I believe they'll want/require you to bring your scripts in line with the new templates. [12:24] ikhider: 13.1? [12:24] fonseg: to set my different resolution screens i use this in my xinitrc: xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1280x800 --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --right-of LVDS1 --auto [12:25] muraii : I prepared my new scripts, which are almost compliant to the new standard, and I just need to read the standard in slackbuilds.org. [12:25] anyone got any idea regarding fan controlling ? :/ [12:26] adrien: Yep [12:26] aperturefever: Danke für das. [12:26] ...re: xinitrc. [12:26] ikhider: tried checking dmesg for errors? [12:27] Aidar-Nagato (admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [12:27] adrien: Yep, the disc had been checked [12:27] ikhider: hmmm, did you partition your drive first? [12:27] adrien: I wanted to install Slack on everything--no other OS. And the solid state drive to carry the os [12:28] ikhider: the installer doesn't list drives but partitions with the Linux partition ID [12:28] so if you don't have any on the drive, it won't show anything [12:29] you can start fdisk or cfdisk to partition your disk [12:30] adrien: The installer asks me where I want to target my OS and it only gives me the terrabyte drive as an option [12:30] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:30] ikhider: you have to create the partitions before you run "setup" [12:31] adrien: So I have to fstab it first [12:31] fstab? why? no, only fdisk or cfdisk to create the partitions [12:32] aperturefever: if i restart X with external screen connected, the resolution will automatically be 1024x768, which is good for the external (and the result i want). i tried your command but it did not change anything. [12:34] How can I set a new locale language? [12:35] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.196.216.225) joined ##slackware. [12:35] redefine LANG [12:36] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Axius: you change locale in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [12:38] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:38] fonseg: maybe you have to change another option, or just automate it a bit more with xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1 --auto [12:38] fonseg: Can You give an example how it should look? [12:39] im ready to cook soup with that laptop :/ [12:39] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [12:41] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] rauflau (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] n0w0nd3r_ (~srijan4@117.196.212.108) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Nick change: rauflau -> Gorodish [12:42] Axius: for example if you want to change from en_US to en_US.UTF8 you just comment the line 'export LANG=en_US' and comment out the line 'export LANG=en_US.UTF8' [12:42] that is exactly what i did on my system [12:43] fonseg: What is UTF8 for? [12:43] n0w0nd3r (~srijan4@117.196.216.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:44] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:44] utf8 is the encoding specification known as unicode [12:45] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Axius: what locale you want to set your system to? [12:47] French [12:47] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] fonseg: French [12:48] rabies (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B158E4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:48] LANG=fr_FR or LANG=fr_FR.utf8 [12:48] n0w0nd3r_ (~srijan4@117.196.212.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:49] though i think you can pick swiss or belgian french too, the above is for french french [12:49] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@84.sub-97-27-66.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:50] thank you guys. [12:50] aciar (~Adium@dhcp-046-013.cns.ohiou.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:51] so i terribly broke my slack install by installing ubuntu (& grub) and then later deleting the partion (& grub) and not being able to boot. i was able to get lilo working again and can boot the system, but i am getting "Cannot enter home directory" on login. /home is on a seperate partition. any suggestions? [12:52] how would deleting ubuntu affect the partition /homeis on? [12:52] This should look like this:export LANG=fr_FR? [12:52] oh, maybe you re-wrote the partition table and it changed number? [12:52] raela, new eminem cd is wack [12:53] Axius yes [12:53] ok [12:53] mancha: possibly... i was messing with testdisk and basically spitballing so perhaps i did screw up the partition table [12:54] mancha: think re-writing the partition table with testdisk would get me back on track or is it worse than that? [12:54] ok, pastebin the output for fdisk -l and also /etc/lilo.conf [12:54] ok will take me a minute [12:55] preferrably in the same pastebin to limit the number of things i need to open [12:58] mps31 (~mps@82.132.139.222) joined ##slackware. [12:59] mps31 (mps@82.132.139.222) left ##slackware. [13:00] http://pastebin.com/k2tSeUuR [13:00] mancha: might i recomend fstab too.. [13:01] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:01] ok i am very confused [13:02] lilo is dealing with hda's and fdisk shows sda's; fdisk shows only one partition and it is not even a linux type: it is FAT [13:02] Gorodish (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Gorodish has no reason [13:02] ...consider that they are, in fact , different disks [13:03] no they are the same disk [13:03] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] for some reason [13:03] when the kernel loads [13:03] in the newer kernel it makes hda appear as sda [13:03] but in order for lilo to correctly load when installed, in the conf. i need to put hda [13:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:03] anyway lilo comes up, and i can boot my image [13:03] yeah that's a naming convention that doesn't bug me as much. but it is FAT type and tere's no /home partition [13:04] yea the FAT made me curious too [13:04] but it is definitely EXT4 [13:04] ok then you're doing something wrong. [13:04] as detected by gparted [13:04] i can't help, based on what you've said the disk is allfucked. [13:04] haha i figured [13:05] i guess ill try fixing the partitions with testdisk and cross my fingers [13:05] that sounds like a losing proposition [13:05] i was surprised i even got the thing to boot again [13:05] blondie_ (~ive_got_b@212.183.140.40) joined ##slackware. [13:05] so thats a start [13:05] testdisk is not even 100% reliable in the hands of an expert [13:06] well it may be a long shot but it beats reinstalling and i just might learn something [13:06] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:06] i don't think it beats re-installing at all [13:07] well mostly because i compiled a custom kernel and really dont feel like redoing it if i can avoid it [13:07] even if you think you fixed it there might be subtle problems you are unaware of. wipe the disk, make proper partitions, install (and don't scew things up at the disk level again) [13:08] you can mount the linux right? copy the custom kernel (source and image) to a temp place [13:09] ok thats a good idea [13:11] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) joined ##slackware. [13:11] mancha you use mysql ? [13:12] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-169-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:12] or anyone ?....i cant get it started for first time :( [13:12] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [13:13] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.163.220) joined ##slackware. [13:14] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-169-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] http://wordpress.pastebin.com/JMmcW9Bk <-- thats what i get, this is fresh install used two commands ...mysql_install_db and mysqladmin -u root password <- which is were i get the error :( [13:17] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) joined ##slackware. [13:18] anyone tunes fontconfig's anti-aliasing? is it even possible? [13:18] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:18] blondie_: and can you see the mysqld process running? [13:19] aciar: yes [13:19] aciar, no ..ive just finished installing slack and they are the only two commands ive had to do with mysql [13:19] ikhider (~ikhider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:20] blondie_: you should install the mysql server (?) [13:20] yep rc.mysqld is in /etc/rc.d/ [13:20] blondie_: "ps -A | grep mysql"? [13:20] any output? [13:21] what does "/etc/rc.d/mysqld restart" give you? [13:21] never ever restart mysql server in productive environment. make force-reload. [13:21] nothing fb|jean [13:21] i was guessing it wasnt production [13:21] aciar: was just a hint [13:21] since its not running and he just installed it [13:21] thanks [13:22] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2585 2009-08-04 05:11 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [13:22] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:22] it cant run [13:22] like i say ive only ran those two commands [13:22] and it's a fresh install [13:22] blondie_: cat /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld seems to give working script output? [13:22] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.28.174) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:23] yeah scripts all there [13:23] Do you have got /usr/bin/mysqld(_safe)? [13:24] Tried starting the daemon manually? "/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysql/mysql.pid --skip-networking --big-tables" [13:24] don see mysqld_safe just mysql_secure_installation [13:24] Then "ps -A | grep mysqld_safe" should give output [13:25] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.28.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:25] Okay, than your mysql server isn't installed properly. Tried to reinstall it? [13:25] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [13:25] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) joined ##slackware. [13:25] no i tried to reinstall mysql [13:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] whoops yeah that command is there [13:26] Which command? [13:26] mysqd_safe [13:26] So you executed the command line i posted? Did ps -A show you the daemon? [13:27] yep [13:27] Then your server is running :-) [13:27] ps -A | grep mysql doesnt show anything ? [13:27] mysqld neither? [13:27] is there any error log in /var/log/mysql/ ? [13:28] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:28] ill check [13:28] Axius (~fd@92.84.28.174) joined ##slackware. [13:28] You could also try executing these commands: "mysqld_install_db && chown -R mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql && mysqld_safe &" [13:28] just read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [13:28] Then "chmod üx /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld" [13:28] chmod +x [13:28] fb|jean, there isnt even a mysql dir in log [13:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Then do what I quoted [13:29] Its best if you read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld so you know what is going on [13:29] mysqld_install_db: command not found [13:29] Dominian: you can't expect anyone to understand the rc file [13:29] fb|jean: uhh why? [13:29] fb|jean: Its in plain freakin' english. [13:29] Ah [13:29] mysql_install_db [13:29] not mysqld_install_db [13:30] Dominian: english? uhhh for the suck [13:30] blondie_: http://marcosegato.altervista.org/sections/none_Download/Linux/mysql_start.html <- read this [13:30] yeah think it's started up now fb|jean [13:30] The "starting mysql server" block [13:30] Seems like you have to do these prequisites [13:30] thanks ill read it [13:30] No problem [13:31] 1) - 3) is what I quoted [13:31] You should've done this now [13:31] MrTablet (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Do 4) [13:31] again: /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld states the steps to get your mysqld started.. along with all commands needed including the security permissions setup [13:31] and had you actually read the file as I said you would've seen that. [13:32] Dominian: as you said it's in freakin english. It could be possible that blondie_ doesn't understand english. [13:32] yeah done 4 shows mysql running [13:32] blondie_: that's it [13:32] fb|jean: Really? Funny. You two are talking English just fine. [13:32] thanks [13:32] im english :( [13:32] Dominian: No, I'm talking tlhIngan Hol (klingonian) [13:32] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [13:32] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Yeah, smartass remarks make you oh so better [13:33] Dominian: You're so right my dear fellow [13:34] my poor laptop is farting lava [13:34] aperturefever: better than java [13:36] mancha: "I'm illusionist" - Female: "Huh?" - Man: "I can make parts of my body disappear in yours!" [13:36] man, not mancha [13:36] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Client Quit [13:37] why not mancha ? [13:37] :D [13:37] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:14] i must say, i really dislike the new official scripts and how they deal with ARCH [14:14] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] Nick change: john_dee -> DejaVuSansMono [14:18] Nick change: DejaVuSansMono -> john_dee [14:18] why is there no my.cnf in /etc for mysql should you just cp one of the four examples to that file (create it) [14:19] yes [14:19] ok thanks [14:19] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:19] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [14:22] blondie_: the why really comes down to: "because the configuration of my.cf sort of depends on what type of installation you use it for", just use whatever my-*.cnf is applicable. [14:23] good evening professor BP{k} [14:24] yeah BP{k} ive only just started using mysql/databases ...im using it for snort [14:24] snort can do the intrusion analysis w/o a database though, right? [14:25] haha, evening mancha :) [14:25] :> [14:25] im following a howto mancha ..probably wont need it but thought it use for first time [14:26] blondie fair enough. not bad to learn to set up a basic mysql setup anyways [14:26] clavius (1000@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [14:26] yep [14:26] Aidar-Nagato (admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [14:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [14:29] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [14:29] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:33] pejman (~root@188.34.71.111) joined ##slackware. [14:35] BP{k}, should mysql log to /var/log ? 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[14:48] asarch: google "linux ccd convert iso" [14:49] Gorodish (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Thank you very much adaptr [14:51] Thank you [14:51] :-) [14:56] Nick change: slackytude|evil -> slackytude [14:56] hi blondie_ :) still wrestling with mysql? [14:57] no sorted it now thanks pupit, took a while though [14:57] i even install 13 from 13.1 [14:58] hooraay :) [14:58] blondie_: congrats. [14:58] i know thought i would never sort it [14:58] using slackware is all about being resourceful. [14:59] after a while, you can change your nick ;) [14:59] :p [14:59] lol [15:00] Nick change: Gorodish -> bacal [15:05] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:05] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:06] I'm new to Slackware, Just installed Slackware, and now it's getting a kernel panic. [15:06] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2) [15:07] well, what drive did you install slackware to? and what does lilo.conf look like? [15:08] says Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions. [15:08] how do I get into lilo if I cannot boot the system? [15:08] you can boot from the slackware install disc again [15:08] and the mount the drive you install slackware to [15:09] to run lilo, you'll have to chroot to your drive [15:09] mtkoan, how do I chroot, I forget how to run that command successfully. [15:09] what device did you install Slackware to? /dev/sda1 ? [15:09] not sure [15:09] i created a swap drive, and created a primary drive [15:10] ok the primary drive [15:10] on which device? [15:10] sda1, i believe. im running virtual machine software. [15:10] Nick change: charisma -> mrpwnage [15:11] so, boot from cd, then 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1; chroot /mnt/sda1' [15:12] that doesn't seem to work [15:12] Action: nyRednek goes to install slack 8.1, then upgrade version by version through to 13.1...see you guys in a week [15:13] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] cesurasean: which part [15:13] I went back into setup, and it's /dev/sda2 [15:13] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:14] chroot: can't change root directory to /mnt/sda2: no such file or directory [15:14] mount: mount point /mnt/sda2 does not exist [15:14] ... [15:14] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:14] what am i doing wrong here? [15:14] why do you think that is? [15:15] im not really sure [15:15] cesurasean: the mount point needs to exist first. [15:16] Appetite (~titan@shellium/member/titan) left irc: Quit: #shellium | muillehs# [15:16] mount: you must specify the filesystem type [15:16] i think my filesystem is ext4 [15:17] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:18] bacal (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: bacal has no reason [15:19] mtkoan, what do i do now? [15:22] i tried mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 [15:22] but still does not work, wrong fs type [15:23] Kustnamenkloate (~titan@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Kustnamenkloate (~titan@shellium/member/titan) left irc: Excess Flood [15:23] cesurasean: Have you done "mkdir /mnt/sda2"? [15:23] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:24] yes [15:24] that's not the problem anymore. [15:24] mount: wrong fs type, bad option [15:24] Okay. Haven't been following along. [15:25] cesurasean: what command did you type? 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[15:31] thumbs, yes fdisk -l shows /dev/sda2 [15:32] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Says System - Linux [15:33] cesurasean: ok, how about -t auto? [15:34] -t auto? [15:34] mount? [15:34] must specify the filesystem type [15:34] cesurasean: df -T [15:34] rahulrp: I don't think it will build on slackware64-13.1 [15:35] oh nm that only works on mounted drives [15:37] BP{k}, yes i have tried hard and have been unsuccessful so far. Sad and true! What can be the solution [15:37] whats the error? [15:37] cesurasean can you pastebin result of fdisk -l [15:38] how am i going to pastebin? [15:38] no, i cannot pastebin. won't allow me to. [15:38] :) [15:38] my slackware system is not operational yet. :( [15:39] cesurasean, pastebin.com [15:39] bacal (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] rahulrp, how do I copy the contents of a virtualbox vm? [15:39] Device /dev/sda1 is linux swap, and /dev/sda2 is Linux [15:40] /dev/sda2 > which filesys did u select when creation? [15:40] ext4 [15:40] ext2 / 3 / 4 , or jfs / xfs ? [15:40] or something else [15:40] ext4 [15:41] and you have booted using what now cesurasean [15:41] BP{k}, I wasn't able to get it to build on 32bit, don't recall the error though. [15:41] BP{k}, what could be the solution? [15:41] rahulrp: no idea. [15:41] rahulrp, im using the slackware DVD.. [15:42] rahulrp: I just quickly checked SBo, and saw it was removed from there due to build failure. [15:42] i suppose the slackware dvd can mount ext4 f/s s [15:42] huge kernel can [15:43] I'm just going to run setup again.... [15:43] i think that's the def [15:43] i do not know how to use SBo, i just package things manually when I need them, I do not need too many things, hence so, anyways, I had problems with lwxgtk2 [which i got rid off by recompiling wxwidgets] and some other issue when compiling hugin [15:44] cesurasean: before typing "setup" type "cfdisk" while you're running it [15:44] where did u see that BP{k} [15:44] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:44] and use complete format, slower one when prompted, cesurasean [15:45] rahulrp: http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/?p=slackbuilds.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=hugin [15:46] is swap important to use when using virtual machines with slackware? [15:47] libpg, wxwidgets, s**k big time, they always create problems when running hugin, why did the developers not make it using native x11 or gtk funcs [15:47] i think no cesurasean [15:49] Im using a dell laptop but i'm not able to use any fan control. dellfand has weird outpu, i8kctl works for some seconds only. Is there another way to set fan states ? (even though im not able to reach them via /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/) [15:49] aciar (Adium@dhcp-046-013.cns.ohiou.edu) left ##slackware. [15:50] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.13.70) joined ##slackware. [15:54] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.13.70) left irc: Client Quit [15:54] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.163.220) joined ##slackware. [15:55] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:56] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.42.143) left irc: Quit: going to sleep, good night........... 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[16:07] need some help getting gpm to recognize my mouse, it's usb, and it's slack 8.1 [16:07] how would i go about this? [16:07] anyone here maintain the slackware store site? [16:09] nyRednek: does slack 8.1 even support usb.... [16:09] goarilla (~kjp@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [16:09] jimi: doubt it.. [16:09] Dominian yeah, it does [16:09] nyRednek: wow [16:09] Dominian let's put it this way, there are ttyUSB's [16:09] Action: Dominian nods.. then yeah its working. [16:09] is anyone in here in the dev team ? [16:10] not sure how to get it to work with a usb mouse though [16:10] goarilla: there are a few that assist in development here.. probably idle right now though [16:10] Dominian and i'd like to get it up in the process of upgrading through to at least 12.x(had an 8.1 cd lying around) [16:10] eh [16:10] dunno if that would even work [16:11] is it worth mentionning that the 64 bit version of a program is crippled vs the 32bit version ? [16:11] the package structure changed between those two versions. [16:11] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] so upgrading from 8.1 won't work. [16:11] Dominian i was going to first upgrade to 9.0 [16:11] thumbs, what kernel is that? [16:12] Dominian then to 9.1 [16:12] Dominian you get the picture [16:12] Grifulkin: I can't recall. [16:12] nyRednek: dont you have an internet connection to get 13.1 media? [16:12] that's wicked old [16:12] slack 8.1 is very nice imho [16:12] it's sooo small [16:12] 1.4 gig installed [16:12] I think 13 is nicer than 13.1 [16:13] sahko no burner [16:13] i disagree 13.1 is a big step up [16:13] nyRednek: use usb stick [16:13] sahko pc doesn't boot from usb stick [16:13] consolekit, policykit and it kinda works WOW ? and kde 4.4.3 is actually useable [16:13] if you have the packages, you dont need to but anyway [16:14] gtg [16:14] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:14] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-7-32.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:14] as i was saying, going to follow the UPGRADE.TXT guide to step up from version to version until i'm happy [16:14] nyRednek: I think you're nuts.. just download 13.1 and be done hehe [16:15] I don't like consolekit and policykit I don't see how they are necessary on a one person machine [16:15] Dominian would the system survive that much of a version jump? [16:16] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:17] lightx (~lightx@va-67-237-163-4.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] nyRednek: in short .. "no" [16:17] pnq (asdf@ACA244DA.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:18] BP{k} i didn't think so [16:18] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:18] BP{k} is the method i'm proposing be "safe"r? [16:18] hi [16:18] nyRednek: I wasn't saying doing an upgrade to that ... [16:18] you're crazy [16:18] I'm saying do a reinstall and use 13.1 :P [16:19] nyRednek: safer .. probably ... waste of time and energy .. yes. [16:19] Dominian i don't have the discs [16:19] nyRednek: backup /home and /etc, wipe, install 13.1 [16:19] thumbs again, i don't have the discs [16:19] nyRednek: You can't download it...? [16:19] nyRednek: I just saw that response. [16:19] it'll tak you a lot more mounting upgradepkging fixing common issues then a backup of old system, fresh install of new install will give you [16:19] Dominian no burner [16:19] agreed [16:19] ouch [16:19] nyRednek: usb? [16:19] wow. [16:20] network install? [16:20] You could do a network install using USB if you can boot from USB that is [16:20] BP{k} usb is not an option on this old machine's bios [16:20] damn [16:20] ok if it's very old [16:20] keep it at 8 or 9 [16:20] Well,.. hrm [16:20] like <= 200 mhz [16:20] I wonder.. is it possible to reboot to the installer from the harddrive... [16:21] i was thinking of pulling it up to 11(for SBo) [16:21] Dominian that's an idea... [16:21] Dominian, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to [16:21] sbo why ? [16:21] just put the kernel and initrd into the lilo [16:21] goarilla there are packages i need [16:21] like ? [16:21] nyRednek: but you'd have to load th eimage from somewhere to do the install.. unless you reboot into the network installer.. that might work [16:22] nyRednek: version for version upgrade will work .. but you'll be looking at a long long time and lot of work. [16:22] Dominian that's what i'm thinking [16:22] that was one of the biggest stuff i liked from going to 12 to 13.1 sbopkg is standard [16:22] goarilla: uhm .. sbopkg isn't standard. [16:22] you probably mean slackpkg, no? [16:22] slackpkg is [16:22] not sbopkg [16:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:23] yes and no [16:23] Dominian: slow! :P [16:23] slackpkg is standard but sbopkg is extra ? [16:23] BP{k}: hehe [16:23] goarilla: no, it is not. [16:23] sbopkg isn't extra either. it is third party [16:23] goarilla that's how it is [16:23] ok sorry i just installed it for the first time on slack 13.1 then [16:23] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.137.68) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Dominian ok, what's the oldest version that has slackpkg? [16:23] and it works very well [16:24] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Quit: time to go [16:24] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-201188.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:24] nyRednek: 9 I think [16:24] while i used to just grab the slackbuilds pulled the newest source editted the build and ran it [16:24] nyRednek: You would have to ask... I think .. [16:24] BP{k}: 'standard' ? [16:24] I think it was 11.1 wasn't it? [16:24] or was it 11.2? [16:24] Dominian i was thinking somewhere in the 11 [16:24] nyRednek: me too [16:24] seems like slackpkg was in extra for a long time [16:24] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Dominian: "standard" != "has" ;) [16:24] Dominian cause i know it wasn't standard in the 10 [16:24] yeah it might've been [16:24] BP{k}: oh shaddup [16:25] Dominian: no :P [16:25] nyRednek: it may have been in /extra [16:25] i think slackpkg was still in extra in 12 [16:25] Dominian no, it wasn't [16:25] i must say the new kde is actually something i could be using in a year or so [16:25] zaltekk even [16:25] maybe i am thinking of slacktrack.. [16:25] in /extra as of 9.1 [16:26] usually i try it and then get annoyed by the ammount of crashing it did [16:26] zaltekk i think you are thinking slacktrack [16:26] nyRednek: Slackware 9.1 had extra/slackpkg-0.99 [16:26] BP{k}: too late [16:26] goarilla: the only think i've had crash in kde is kword [16:26] 4.4.3 is a lot better and im not saying 4.x 3.x crashed a lot on me too [16:26] :-p [16:26] chess: bah :) [16:26] anyways, boot into a network install, bbl [16:26] good luck [16:26] but who knows, it could be fixed in 4.4.4 [16:26] it still crashes tho [16:26] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:27] i seem to be able to crash the alt-f2 cmd launcher [16:27] a lot [16:27] hmm. i think i remember that having issues too. i never did much with krunner because it seemed to take forever to lookup what i wanted to launch [16:28] now the crash reporter has a thing like download symbols but it's greyed out [16:28] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:28] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.178) joined ##slackware. [16:28] which makes sending in bug reports useless imho [16:28] guess it's catered at RedCrap and SuxSE [16:29] which tools can be used to convert files from .ts to .mkv ? [16:29] mencoder [16:29] ffmpeg [16:29] easy to use --> avidemux [16:30] it's probablu in sbopkg [16:30] fonseg look for mkvtools [16:30] wait, where do i get an initrd for network install? [16:30] or mkvtoolnix rather [16:31] why do you need an initrd/ [16:31] more and more i'm starting to dislike mac os x [16:31] you ought to be booting the huge smp kernel [16:32] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:32] zaltekk does that include the initrd? [16:32] can we mount hfs volumes ? [16:32] nyRednek: you don't need an initrd with it [16:32] nyRednek: the initrd is just to module kernel modules you need to boot that aren't built into the kernel. so using the huge kernel that includes everything removes the need for an initrd [16:33] zaltekk so it'll boot into the install just lilo-ing the kernel? [16:33] it should boot fine without an initrd [16:33] i don't think we're communicating well [16:33] huge is always used at boot unless specified explicitely [16:34] nyRednek: i am telling you that an initrd is pointless with the huge kernel [16:34] i'm trying to use lilo to boot into a newer version's installer [16:34] initrd is for the generic kernel only [16:34] nyRednek: that is fine. use the huge kernel(not the generic) and you won't need an initrd [16:34] does the fluxbox panel has a tray by default? [16:34] ha [16:34] no sahko [16:34] hm k thanks [16:35] no wait [16:35] so when did they do away with the install image? [16:35] you mean tray like tray icons on the right side [16:35] yeah [16:35] it has an area for stuff that do WM_TRAY or something like it [16:35] so sorry yes it has that [16:36] for example does the wicd icon show up there? [16:36] checking for DRI... configure: error: Package requirements (glproto >= 1.4.9 dri >= 7.1.0) were not met: [16:36] No package 'dri' found [16:36] the pidgin icon shows up there [16:36] whqat pkg does dri come from? trying to compile xorg-server [16:36] or the thunderbird [16:36] goarilla: ok so then yeah it does [16:36] so i guess YES :D [16:36] :p [16:36] i thought you meant pagers for virtual desktopts [16:37] interesting. i ll add retrying fluxbox on my todo list [16:37] mmmm i should to [16:37] but tray stuff [16:37] is not new to fluxbox [16:38] it's like 5 years old at least [16:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsuiD2y3c0 [16:38] since i first installed slack 10 [16:38] or 9 [16:38] cant remember [16:38] since kde was making me crazy [16:38] and gnome was finishing me off [16:38] anyways, what would be the loadlin/lilo arguments for booting into an installler? [16:39] i used it only 1 time. liked the config files are plain text [16:39] 1 time = couple of minutes [16:39] :D [16:40] when you have a proper menu it's really the nicest DE for the common folk [16:40] but slack doesn't care for it so it's configuring it from scratch imho [16:41] i dont even use menus in kde (or anywhere else) [16:42] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-235-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:44] pcastle_ (~pcastle@166.205.136.230) joined ##slackware. [16:44] :D good buy [16:44] boy* [16:45] van_ (~van@79.107.243.180) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] does anyone want cannabis seeds [16:47] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.137.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:47] Nick change: pcastle_ -> pcastle [16:48] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] asarch (~asarch@187.132.136.219) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:49] ahh finally got my netbook to work with slack [16:49] You mean my netbook right? [16:49] ;) [16:49] hahaha [16:49] i'll get it delivered ASAP :) totally forgot [16:49] :) [16:50] howcome we're still using rt2860 instead of rt3090 [16:50] i had to blacklist the rt28960sta to get my wireless working [16:50] ok, found the install initrd on isolinux directory [16:51] nyRednek: again, you don't need an initrd. [16:51] zaltekk i do believe that when you're booting into the installer, you do [16:52] no, you don't. [16:52] you just need the huge smp kernel [16:53] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.163.220) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:54] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] i'm not sure why you are forcing yourself to go to extra trouble [16:55] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] cause no pain no gain [16:56] zaltekk cause i'm trying to install a newer slack over an older installed slack [17:00] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [17:00] shabalala (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-169-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] howdy; im an idiot with Xorg setup, and i can't get fglrx to detect any screens :( i dont even know where to start [17:01] trying to use fglrx is the wrong start [17:01] hah [17:01] heh [17:02] here is the best approach: remove fglrx, kill your xorg.conf that is broken, install radeon, and use startx without changing a thing on the system [17:02] dartmouth: aticonfig --initial produces an xorg.confthat can be used [17:02] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:02] thrice`: not if you're using a newer card. [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-161.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] NaCl: thanks ill try that; its a very new card so i will need to work with the provided tools [17:02] yeah, that'd do it [17:03] dartmouth: did you install by ./ati-install-blahblahblah --build-pkg Slackware/All then install the tgz's it provided? [17:03] pnq (asdf@ACA40382.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:03] raela: no i installed by ./ati-install-blahblahlah and then let it do its thing [17:04] dartmouth: then it won't work. try again with the build pkg [17:04] raela: kk; should i try to uninstall anything? [17:04] i've been slackless for about 7 months so forgive the newb questions [17:04] yes uninstall then build packages [17:04] just run the installer --uninstall (or look up syntax) [17:05] kk [17:05] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] raela: doesnt look like theres a param for uninstall in the --help [17:05] aticonfig --help dumps out a man-page's worth of options [17:06] dartmouth: look for uninstall, remove, etc.. there is one, because I used it on my other laptop [17:06] aren't you guys supposed to be on the road? [17:06] we're at SELF [17:06] yup [17:06] wow [17:06] sitting on laptops downstairs :P [17:06] cool [17:06] oh, skywise, saw some cops but didn't get busted [17:06] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [17:06] great [17:07] people rode my ASS and I was going 5 over.. it sucked (on 15) [17:07] i was gonna ask [17:07] you did the smart thing [17:07] it annoyed me :P [17:07] i'd let them go by when i can [17:07] clear out the cops ahead of you [17:08] hrm [17:08] raela, you are at linux camp?! [17:08] nix_chix0r: HELL YES!!!! :D [17:08] OMW [17:08] i dont see the uninstall-=-- maybe a -f with the installpkg on the built package would be enough? [17:08] Skywise: double yellow the whole way [17:08] there is a linux camp? [17:09] dang, [17:09] yeah and she's head of the group cause she's specul [17:09] and raela is a girl?? did not know that.. [17:09] cool [17:09] crashdata: well, on the internet. [17:09] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] ic. haha [17:09] raela, btw i put spy cams in your hotel shower.. you may find 3 [17:10] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left ##slackware. [17:10] soon to have live feed [17:10] whoot! [17:10] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:10] dartmouth: um... google it. heh [17:10] nix_chix0r: thanks for the bookmarks [17:10] nix_chix0r: whaaat bah [17:10] dartmouth, np [17:10] dartmouth: maybe just do the package and go over it [17:10] install over it [17:10] email me the link :O [17:10] raela, sorry loverdeer i had to do eit [17:10] exploiting is my game [17:11] crashdata: linux camp is south east linux fest in SC, USA :) and yes, female [17:11] the spelling! the spelling! [17:11] nix_chix0r: :( so mean! [17:11] i wish we have something like that up here [17:11] NaC1 get her drunk for me [17:11] I drove from NY [17:11] nix_chix0r: tab complete [17:11] always a turn on to see chicks using slack [17:12] nix_chix0r, hahaha [17:12] NaCl, woahhhhhh fail [17:12] my text is all wonky [17:12] crashdata, she is single too [17:12] ntb looking [17:12] stop trying to hook me up with everyone around! [17:12] ima stalk her now :) [17:13] she's afraid of male genitles but i think you could get past that. [17:13] k sory [17:13] lolz [17:13] lmao [17:13] yeah im still getting a no screens detected error [17:13] no stalking plz [17:13] ahhhhhhh [17:13] dartmouth: did you build the packages, install BOTH, then aticonfig --initial ? [17:13] raela, can you send me a slack dvd and postcar from SC [17:13] yup [17:14] my internets are so slow=\ [17:14] get moar [17:14] oh yeah osx DVD too [17:14] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.136.230) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:14] raela: yes [17:14] nix_chix0r: slack dvd would have to wait 2 weeks.. no dvd burner here. I'll looking for postcards [17:14] dartmouth: dunno then [17:14] hubby wont let us get cable even though its now available out in the sticksh heh [17:14] hubby don't surf? [17:14] awwww [17:14] doesn't want to cancel DSL contract [17:15] nix_chix0r, i say install FTA :) [17:15] oh, well dsl isn't all that slow [17:15] Skywise, ... [17:15] scratch my last comment [17:15] i thought ur talking about TV [17:15] subscription [17:16] but you don't have to cancel dsl to get cable [17:16] naw internets. our dsl speeds are about 60Kb/sec [17:16] whats fta? [17:16] yeah, thats good for dsl [17:16] o0 [17:16] i need the speeds [17:16] thats upload right? [17:16] downlaod [17:17] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:17] well thats just 768k [17:17] when we first got it our download was 106KB/sec [17:17] nix_chix0r, u might as well stick with phone line :) [17:17] nix_chix0r: be faster to download yourself than wait for me for slack [17:17] they have up to 6mb on dsl [17:17] if you're close enough [17:17] yeah for some reason, cable internet is now available out at my house, but DSL is only up to 1.5mb [17:17] i hate that UP TO pisses me off [17:18] lol [17:18] yeah up to can mean anything and thus means nothing [17:18] lolz [17:18] not to mention their 10GB cap a month they dont tell you about. they say its unlimited but if you do a 4.4GB update of any sorts they freak out [17:18] at my house i can download about 2MB/sec max [17:19] get a call like "hai you need to be easy on your bandwidth" [17:19] at work about 5MB i believe [17:20] drgr33n (0@unaffiliated/drgr33n) joined ##slackware. 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[17:21] because if cable goes out who knows when it will be repaird [17:21] wow... $30 [17:21] crashdata, i was paying 79$ a month for satellite [17:22] then DSL came and i was like OMG and now cable is here 4 years later haha [17:22] mwahahahahaha [17:22] now cable here has a promotion if ur transferring from adsl u pay $9 CAD a month for 6 months after that $35 include tax [17:22] i have X11. [17:22] Action: dartmouth laughs hysterically into his little orb [17:22] Just as we are gettin ready to move out of the sticks:P [17:22] wow man..y not just use phone line modem :) [17:22] dartmouth (dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left ##slackware ("thank you ladies :)"). [17:22] blondie_ (~ive_got_b@212.183.140.40) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] thats the problem with having to go out to the boonies to get space [17:22] you can't get any modern services [17:23] Skywise, yeah sacrifice a few things [17:23] it is beautiful out here [17:23] i can't live without bandwidth [17:23] FZR0 (rambo@cpe-67-9-74-146.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] but being away from civilization is kinda worth it i guess [17:23] civilization is where all the stuff is [17:23] deer come up to your house and chill no one bugs you [17:23] but you gota drive an hour to get jimmy johns [17:24] but they're just eating your garden [17:24] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:24] minneapolis apparently is where it's at [17:24] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:24] to be able to retreat somewhere quite...plus he can probaby drive to the city [17:24] so looking at some burby areas 20miles out [17:24] xMDKx (~mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:24] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-76-169.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] hhahaaha [17:24] i like the privacy you get in the city [17:24] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Skywise, what privacy [17:25] :) [17:25] you walk out on the street and no one knows you from adam [17:25] ahh yes, that kind of privacy. [17:26] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-235-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] but i dont live in that dense of a city though [17:26] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [17:26] to experience that animosity [17:26] its got its tradeoffs [17:27] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:27] you're free go where you want, and no one cares [17:27] but no one cares about anything else at all either [17:28] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.125) joined ##slackware. [17:30] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] long time no see [18:13] sluckxz: what do you mean by "fails" [18:14] no output just hangs. tried several kernels. apparently some issues with intel graphics and 2.6.33.4 [18:15] no, it works quite well for about 99% of people out there [18:16] which intel card? which version of slackware? where does it fail, at boot, at starting x.org ? [18:16] I have intel and 2.6.33.4 and it works fine [18:16] 2.6.33.4 fails on my laptop. intel gma [18:16] 22:10 ::: Syllopsium [~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com] has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [18:16] 22:11 < edman007> I'm asking in here because i was autobanned from the slackware channel for running root !! the weirdos [18:16] 22:11 < edman007> lol [18:16] 22:11 < edman007> nix_chix0r, !! [18:16] 22:11 < edman007> long time no see [18:16] 22:11 < raela> sluckxz: what do you mean by "fails" [18:16] 22:12 < sluckxz> no output just hangs. tried several kernels. apparently some issues with intel [18:16] graphics and 2.6.33.4 [18:16] 22:13 < thrice`> no, it works quite well for about 99% of people out there [18:16] 22:14 < thrice`> which intel card? which version of slackware? where does it fail, at boot, at [18:16] starting x.org ? [18:16] /22:14/ /sluckxz/ /2:freenode/##slackware/ /Act: 1/ [18:16] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [18:16] !##slackware: [18:17] Action: edman007 kicks the middle mouse button [18:17] damn sorry [18:17] Hi. So does anyone here run a business selling or packaging Slackware? [18:17] I understand and have read what you asked [18:17] blaines (~blaines@75-171-121-6.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] riza, Pat sells slackware :) [18:17] riza, well you can't exactly sell GPL software... [18:17] not legally anyways [18:17] why not? [18:17] edman007: yes you can [18:18] Limewire PRO is GPL'd source code with proprietary artwork [18:18] you can't sell it as closed-source, but you can sell it (Pat does this of course) [18:18] RHEL is GPL'ed source code with proprietary artwork too [18:18] I've been thinking about opening up a business. Just dunno how to brand. [18:18] intel gma x3100 freshh install off 13.1 dvd hangs hitting enter to boot. just hangs 0 output. [18:18] NthDegree, no, you can sell the service of providing it and whatever to cover that cost [18:19] edman007: Limewire PRO is the software being sold, not a service [18:19] sluckxz, ok, what does that have to do with your video card? [18:19] (the answer is nothing) [18:19] edman007: to get pro, you change the value of one variable in the Free version source code [18:19] edman007: I know this because I went through it, "isPro" is a bit of a giveaway :P [18:19] heh [18:19] thrice`: i said it fails on my laptop not some broad reddit comment of "fail" [18:19] and it's just a true/false (boolean) variable [18:20] sluckxz, yes, and the install DVD knows nothing of your video card, nor does it care [18:20] nevermind, I'm tired of begging you for details [18:20] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:20] edman007: SuSE Linux Enterprise's patches are software that is sold; yoy get the source with it but you can't get source unless you pay for the binaries [18:20] NthDegree, ehh, does not count, they have the free version and it is identical, they can dual license code and they can add stuff to it that is not GPL [18:20] Linux thinkpad 2.6.33.4 #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:31:33 CDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:20] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.53.186.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] but the GPL stuff is free [18:20] thrice`: there are several threads at LQ regarding intel video and 2.6.33.4 and i already posted a response to details above [18:21] and I own an X100 - I promise it works perfectly [18:21] edman007: no they can't. They don't own copyright to all the source [18:21] 3100* [18:21] edman007: the differences are in artwork only, all the pro features are in Free.. but with a few variable changes [18:21] NthDegree, if you start the program you can choose to do that, mysql is an example of that, they do own the copyright to the whole thing and then release it as GPL which is how they sell that [18:21] slackytude (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:22] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html [18:22] sluckxz, dude, I *promise* it works beautifully on 2.6.33.4 with that specific card. maybe you don't understand, that booting the install DVD doesn't even start any gui :> [18:22] edman007: they provide the source code to the whole Enterprise version [18:22] edman007: I know that because there was a row about it no longer being in tarballs when Sun took over [18:22] edman007: and again, only the binary is non-GPL'ed, the source is GPLed, all of it [18:23] NthDegree, yea, but the paid version is not copy-left so business can legally add their own patches with being subject to GPL, that is the advantage of the mysql one [18:23] thrice`: how about an idea of what might work? slack 13 installer boots fine. 13.1 hangs immediately after pushing enter. [18:23] *without being subject to GPL [18:23] sluckxz, did you check the install media? [18:23] sluckxz, 'hangs' ??? you mean LITERALLY no output at all? take a pic, I don't believe it ;) [18:23] md5 [18:23] edman007: the paid MySQL database itself is open source too, you can get tarballs for it, the paid monitoring software is the non-GPLed part [18:23] yea boots other pcs [18:24] edman007: so technically they sell the GPLed source precompiled for a fee, with a few frontend bits which are separate software :P [18:25] NthDegree, no, the paid version is copy-right, the free version if copy-left [18:25] edman007: look at ArchLinux packages for it [18:25] you'll find they are enterprise source code :P [18:25] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.167.172) joined ##slackware. [18:25] yes, i know [18:25] the code is identical [18:25] but the paid version carries a different license [18:26] and is not subject to GPL [18:26] The paid version is a binary [18:26] binaries can be sold under any license, the GPL doesn't forbid that [18:26] so long as you can get the source if you ask for it [18:27] a better example of selling GPLed code is SuSE Enterprise Linux [18:27] or, slackware!! [18:27] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:27] They won't provide source unless you have binaries (their right under the GPL) and thus far, no-one has purchased it and shared the source for free to everyone [18:28] despite the fact doing that would be so damn easy... but that is because SuSE Enterprise isn't stable like they make out [18:28] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.53.186.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] they make the same kinds of radical changes like they do with OpenSuSE [18:28] thrice`: or that, but one can get it for free [18:29] thrice`: it's more of a donation-with-cool-CD-set deal :D [18:29] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [18:30] Ah it's hopeless. I'm offering free computer service esp to Linux boxes and getting very little response. THe economy is THAT bad that people don't even want free stuff?! [18:32] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:32] why do i get only 1 virtual terminal when in runlevel 4? [18:32] ....because it's runlevel 4 [18:33] you should have tty1-6 still, no? [18:33] ctl+alt+f2 doesn't work eg ? [18:33] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [18:33] I though init4 only gives 6 [18:33] s/though/thought/ [18:33] lightx (~lightx@va-67-237-163-4.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:34] johndee (~id@93-81-116-63.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:34] thrice` indeed i only get the one with F6 (tty-6) [18:37] pnq (asdf@ACA5A659.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] tty0 and 6 [18:40] methinks [18:42] well, i'm off, goodnight [18:42] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [18:43] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-76-169.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:43] rafu (rafu@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [18:44] lightx (~lightx@va-67-237-163-4.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] nvision (~nvision@e179132234.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:45] its looking like bad media/burn hangs on another pc as well. [18:47] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:52] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [18:52] johndee (~id@93-81-116-63.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:53] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] pim_: see /etc/inittab [18:54] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. 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[19:44] bacal (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] lightx (~lightx@va-67-237-163-4.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:45] guys can i add slack on armv5tejl processors? [19:46] add/install [19:46] v4nelle: check www.armedslack.org [19:46] indica420 (~Nozick@164.106.109.68) joined ##slackware. [19:47] indica420 (Nozick@164.106.109.68) left ##slackware. [19:47] slack amr is built for armv4t [19:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [19:48] hey guys [19:49] v4nelle: http://www.armedslack.org/doku.php?id=supported_platforms .. says armv4t is the _minumum_ target ... [19:50] say with Slackpkg now in Slack has the ideas of Slack changed, meaning now with this app with the 'upgrade all' there are now going to be updates happening for the stable version you're running, like common distros have with updates happening often, OR this simply means you're going to be updated into the 'current' tree is all? [19:50] figabo (~figabo@201.164.172.107) joined ##slackware. [19:51] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:51] Xgates: presence of slackpkg does not signify any change to patrick's policy on releasing patches: only security fixes get put in the patches dir [19:52] but running it as 'upgrade all' means then you're going to be running current tree updates, yes? [19:52] Xgates, only if you configure the mirrors package to point to -current instead of 13.1 [19:52] ahhh ok [19:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:53] ahhh so if you leave it on 13.1 then run a upgrade all, there could be upgrades happening from time to time for 13.1? [19:53] Xgates: like i said, only security patches. yes. [19:53] ahhh ok [19:54] raijutta (~macm@187.78.192.175) joined ##slackware. [19:54] thanks, wasn't sure if Pat was going to have more program updates happening now... [19:54] Xgates: nope. nothing changed in that respect [19:54] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] ok same ole Slack then :) [19:55] yep [19:55] bacal (~rauflau@cpe-98-150-172-55.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: bacal has no reason [19:55] hey something else I need help with, I'm running a lappy with a ATI HD3200 chip and earlier this year I was playing around with a few distros besides Slack and the video play back in them was great. [19:55] Xgates: you can always look at the changelog.txt for any stable version, after it was released [19:56] But now in Slack running the latest ATI 10.5 driver I get a little screen tearing when watching videos in VLC [19:56] ok, changelog.... [19:56] sluckxz, i had that issue [19:56] Anything I might be able to do/edit in xorg.conf and a feature 'Option' or something to improve or get away from this tearing? [19:57] and/add a feature... [19:58] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:58] from what I read this is an issue that has already been fixed in X drivers and the ATI drivers [19:58] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [19:59] so not sure what Slack is doing to cause this.... [19:59] so [19:59] i downloaded the flash plugin installer [19:59] and extracted it [19:59] and its just libflashplayer.so [19:59] wtf? [19:59] stop pushing enter to start [19:59] yeah that's all it is :) [19:59] second, that's all you want/need [20:00] no what i want is for the 'install missing plugins' button to work [20:00] but wtf do i do with this thing [20:00] install missing plugins button, what is that? [20:01] plop it in ~/.mozilla/plugins , or /usr/lib{,64}/mozilla/plugins/ for global use [20:01] libflashplayer.so is the flash plugin that is all it is, and you copy it to, like thrice` said :) [20:01] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:01] btw, thrice` you'd be good to answer this: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 255 Processor <-- am I better off using this with standard slack or should I go 64? [20:02] I have a far less powerful AMD 64bit processor dartmouth and I run Slackware64 on it [20:02] dartmouth: well just to let you know I have a x64 cpu but in x64 Slack I couldn't get the x64 flash plugin to work in Firefox or Chromium so I installed 32bit Slack [20:03] 64-bit flash works fine here [20:03] dartmouth, your preference; I prefer 64-bit, and have used it for a few years [20:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] will the difference even be noticable? [20:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:03] alienBOB: I tried like 3-4 different versions and none of them worked, every time I went to a flash enabled site FF would just crash and disappear [20:03] same with Chromium,,, [20:04] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [20:04] alienBOB, its paired up with a radeon hd 5770 ;) [20:04] dartmouth: I loathe Ati graphics hardware [20:04] alienBOB, im very, very happy :) [20:04] However Amd makes good CPUs [20:05] anyone know what I might be able to do to get rid of screen tearing with this ati driver, editing something in xorg.conf? [20:05] i do need to update the driver and reinstall the whole system though [20:08] raijutta (~macm@187.78.192.175) left irc: Quit: Saindo [20:10] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:12] Nick change: MrZhi -> zz_MrZhi [20:13] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:13] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:13] Nick change: zz_MrZhi -> MrZhi [20:14] so has anything really nice come out in the way of desktop environments besides kde4 in the last couple of years? i've been out of the loop for a while. [20:14] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g226137159.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:16] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:16] dartmouth: depends on your preference [20:17] xfce has made a lot of progress since it first came out [20:17] dartmouth: lxde [20:17] MrZhi, well, the last time I was desktopping in linux, it was a year ago and xfce + compiz was like...the be-all end-all of needs being met. [20:17] slackytude (~slacky@f051036164.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:18] I don't think there's been any recent "game-changers" in the last year [20:18] MrJackson, nothing since kde4? [20:19] i actually thought kde4 was gorgeous but didn't do anything [20:19] not sure where xfce+compiz were a fad, but seems a bit pointless. you get DE that's not as featureful as larger ones [and its original selling point was the simplicity/speed], and you decorate it with bells and whistles [20:19] game changer is lxde. it's replacing xfce's role as a fast & lightweight DE [20:19] goarilla (~kjp@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:19] man, I remember when enlightenment was all the rage [20:21] MrZhi: circa 1997/98? :) [20:23] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:24] darn Ati 10.1 you can't run it as --buildpkg Slackware/All [20:24] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:25] ecore-evas doesn't seem available through sbopkg? [20:26] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:26] dartmouth: nothing's available through sbopkg - unless all the way through it to SBo [20:27] ecore and evas are in SBo, though - is 'ecore-evas' different? [20:27] ananke: yeppers, that's when I was introduced to the world of slack [20:28] nyRednek, why don't you download the newest version of the software? [20:28] slakmagik, the enlightenment sbo thinks it is [20:28] whoops [20:28] hm - I dunno - best bet is to email the maintainer if there's something wrong in there [20:29] no i think i see what i did [20:30] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [20:31] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [20:33] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [20:35] anyone know about the 8.7 patched version of ATI that runs on 13.1? Someone a few weeks ago gave me a link to it, but I don't have it [20:35] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:35] goj (~goj@p5488F9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:36] HAHA im glad i didn't update my slack lol [20:36] us too cpunches [20:36] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [20:36] lol [20:36] jeez you make it look like i come crying here every time i have a problem i cant fix lol [20:38] yes? [20:38] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:39] anyone know about the ati 8.7 patched version that will work on 13.1? [20:40] Xgates, why not just use a lower kernel [20:40] muazfa (~muazfa@118.96.218.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:40] nooo that's a bit backwards to drop a kernel for the sake of video :) [20:41] no i think thats pretty standard [20:41] figabo (~figabo@201.164.172.107) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [20:41] ha [20:41] i said 'standard' like it applied to graphics in linux [20:42] MrTabl3t (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:14] pnq (asdf@AC843A51.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [22:19] groo (~groo@187.46.81.70) joined ##slackware. [22:19] groo (~groo@187.46.81.70) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:20] GuTTa (~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-221-241.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:20] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) joined ##slackware. [22:21] My broswer keeps dying, can anyone point me to the direction of slackware 13.x for i686 [22:21] you mean you want a list of mirrors [22:21] GuTTa: ftp.chowhouse.com [22:21] ? [22:22] oobe yes [22:22] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] # http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [22:23] # ftp://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [22:23] # Bulgaria, 100Mbit [22:23] Channel flood from oobe -- kicking [22:23] # http://slackware.bgbits.com/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [22:23] # Czech Republic, 100Mbit [22:23] oobe kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:23] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] i guess those will do [22:23] '-' lol [22:23] heh [22:23] thnks [22:23] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:23] i didnt use pastebin cause i assumed it would defeath the purpose [22:24] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] damn browser, SWF iron keeps dying [22:24] Might actually have to use chrome or ICECAT. [22:25] start it in a virtual teminal [22:25] you should see some error message when it crashes [22:26] I will in a sec [22:26] could be somthing simple to fix like java script or flash problem [22:26] I'm going to get slackware 13.x or just 13 for my new laptop [22:26] Problem is my laptop runs i686 [22:26] All I see is x86 :/ [22:27] x86 will do [22:28] You sure? [22:28] yes [22:28] I tried and it says it won't work. [22:28] re-try [22:28] what are you trying to do exactly [22:28] saludos genye [22:28] gente [22:28] oobe if it fails [22:28] I'm re-compiling slackware. [22:29] so you have slackware already installed on you laptop? [22:29] I'm installing the Internet. [22:29] and you are trying to update some packages ? [22:29] or are you trying to dload and install a fresh copy [22:30] oobe the last one [22:30] the internet won't fit on your laptop. [22:31] thumbs is right [22:31] GuTTa, then you just want x86 it will work [22:31] The internet is a series of tubes. [22:31] oobe, I tried, it doesn't. [22:31] what happens [22:31] s3m (~alay@74.50.105.139) joined ##slackware. [22:32] a [22:32] kernel only works for 64-86 this computer is i686 [22:32] b [22:32] Nick change: s3m -> Guest73176 [22:32] no no [22:32] s3m no alphabet [22:32] ok [22:33] GuTTa, i686 is x86 [22:33] :/ srs? [22:33] x means eight i386 i486 i686 [22:33] they all should be compatable [22:34] slackware uses a lot fo i486 [22:34] oobe: that it does... [22:34] oobe: at one time, it was i386 [22:34] it says this kernel only works for 64-68x and mine is i686 [22:34] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.23.218.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:35] GuTTa: x86-64, you mean? [22:35] GuTTa: anyways, don't download slackware64, then [22:35] Nick change: Guest73176 -> S13 [22:35] GuTTa, what says that [22:35] what cpu do you have? [22:35] i686 [22:36] heh [22:37] [22:37] I just put in a disc i used for my other pc it says "this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU but only detected an i686 CPU [22:37] [22:37] all that means is you dloaded an x86-64 iso [22:38] you should just use x86 [22:38] ercula (~chatzilla@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] riteo [22:39] hm [22:39] 32 or 64bit ... hmmf [22:39] 32 [22:39] ^good choice mah man [22:39] ercula (~chatzilla@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:40] you dont actually have a choice 64 wont work period [22:41] I just said that to myself [22:41] oobe stop reading my mind :/ [22:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:42] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php it has "Slackware 13.1 x86 DVD ISO (everything)" this is what I need right? [22:42] Sorry If I sound stupid, but my internet has 5gb left and I don't wanna waste it. [22:44] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:44] GuTTa (~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-221-241.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709] [22:44] poor internet [22:45] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:47] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] 0 - La [22:49] bitch 0 - La's [22:51] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:52] is it amateur troll night? (i need to buy a program) [22:52] S13 (~alay@74.50.105.139) left irc: Quit: S13 [22:53] shonudo: not sure [22:54] ikhider (~ikhider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] ? has anyone here checked out the Nokia N-900 Linux phone, with the Maemo software [22:54] figabo (~figabo@201.165.118.76) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Hello all, I just installed Slackware and have dual monitors. How do I get my display to show both monitors as one? [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:55] And also use the full screen of the monitors? [22:55] as 1 monitor ? [22:55] buzzin, Sort of move the cursor accross both screens [22:55] yes... [22:56] hmm i haven't had a problem with that [22:56] buzzin, right now I see double [22:56] you use Nvidia ? [22:56] are you using KDE? im assuimg yes [22:56] KaMii, Yes, KDE [22:56] omg another kde usr [22:56] buzzin, What should I have used? [22:56] its a KDE issue then, not a slackware thing, you will have to look in the KDE settings [22:56] ikhider, can i pm you [22:56] at least he didn't say the evil U word [22:57] ikhider: I like KDE, use which ever one fits you [22:57] are you useing a nvidia v-card ? [22:57] i'll give you the options list for xorg [22:57] buzzin, Yes, I guess I should install a driver? [22:57] (as you can tell I am a newb) [22:57] well it's all personal, butt i gave up on KDE after 3.0 [22:57] i would go to NVIDIA's home website, and grab their driver, and install it [22:58] shonudo, Feel free to message me [22:58] true,, shiuldn't be a issue [22:58] you need to be logged in as root (and exit the xwindow) when installing the driver [22:58] shouldn't* [22:58] trU ** [22:58] So, if I install the nvidea driver, then I can get the dual screen AND use of full screen? [22:59] Instead of black bars accross the sides? [22:59] i can't decide wheather to buy the Nokia n 900 or get the new I-phone 4 ?? [22:59] those settings shouold be located in the NVIDIA driver, yes [22:59] you need to install the nvidia driver no mater what you do [23:00] buzzin, oaky, tahnks [23:00] yup, i agree, its kinda dumb not to have the driver installed [23:00] : 0 [23:00] KaMii, I am an Ubuntu refugee [23:00] unless your not planning on doing any games graphics, video, etc.. and if thats the case, remove KDE and X [23:00] dont swear in here ikhider [23:00] the U word is a swear word [23:01] haha ahha ah a [23:01] I had allot of boot issues and grub issues with Ubuntu [23:01] Slackware boots easier [23:01] stop swearing [23:01] we all know that crap doesnt work, [23:02] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:03] asarch (~asarch@187.132.136.184) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:04] blaines (~blaines@174-26-191-17.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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