[00:00] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:03] sberla54_ (n=sberla54@62-101-126-235.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [00:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] Dominian, i know this was forever ago. But what is that weird dongle you linked to on newegg? [00:09] hiptobecubic: it was for a ip kvm switch [00:09] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:09] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [00:09] I thought it was a 50dollar dongle to do kvm over ip.. but it goes to a much more expensive device [00:10] wtf [00:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:10] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[00:41] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] symbolics (n=crunked@pool-96-232-107-101.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [00:53] I have just finished configuring,building and installing the updated kernel. Thank you for your time and help, I hope to see you later. [00:53] tije (n=tije@201.127.244.180) left irc: "leaving" [00:57] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:57] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) joined ##slackware. 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[01:34] why do some things have to be run with . ./foo [01:34] versus just ./foo [01:35] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [01:36] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:36] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [01:36] never seen that [01:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:37] All Core 2 Duo's are 64bit, right? [01:37] AFAIK yes. [01:37] Gargantua, not sure, but i think so. please check wiki: there's a list of 'em. [01:37] anyone care to comment on their experience in slackware with the atheros wireless chipset? [01:37] good? bad? [01:38] TwinReverb: I have seen it work. [01:38] are you looking for a wireless adapter TwinReverb? [01:38] with my own eyes [01:38] twolf, difficult or easy? [01:38] Gargantua, no, wireless chipsets. i'm out laptop shopping. [01:39] Alfa AWUS036H [01:39] anyone care to comment on experience with ati display drivers (newer ones) in slackware, i.e. for someone who's not going to bother with drivers outside of the linux kernel? [01:39] Find out what chipset that uses [01:39] Gargantua, you find out. sorry, i'm busy. [01:39] :/ [01:39] TwinReverb: on the box I saw it work on it was already working when I saw it. the owner said it was easy. my wireless is intel and it worked really easy [01:39] twolf, slackware? or ubuntu? [01:39] slackware [01:39] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-169-186.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:39] yeah i know intel works (ipw2200 over here :D) [01:40] here's why i'm busy: http://www.kunsan.af.mil :D [01:41] we've have had 50+ mph winds and cold temps here for the last 24hrs and life goes on [01:41] TwinReverb: I've been using Atheors chipsets in Slackware v12.1 for a couple of years. No complaints from me. [01:42] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:42] no my comment was about the exercise (12 hour shifts in those conditions) not really the temperatures (the military takes good care of me with equipment, at least so far) [01:42] it's been rough here too http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=93003&searchType=WEATHER [01:42] alisonken1home, cool thanks [01:42] i was out shoveling snow and chiseling ice for about 4 hours [01:42] good thing i have MREs :D [01:42] anyways, any ati display driver people who don't use ATI's binary drivers? [01:43] MREs are a lot better than they used to be :) [01:43] yeah i remember the John Wayne cookie bar :S [01:43] if you had to, you could kill someone with it if you threw it hard enough [01:43] lmao [01:44] question. i have a new slackware installation that i am using now (pretty new to slackware) and if i try run a ./configure its says command not found. any ideas? [01:44] blurr, ls [01:44] if there is no such file, that's why. [01:44] ./ means "here" so if there's no configure file in your present directory, it won't run [01:45] to see where you are, btw, do "pwd" which means "present working directory" or basically "where am i?" [01:45] what is the path to the configure script? [01:45] that is for you to know [01:46] mc will find it o.O. cheers guys [01:46] if you want to excute something you damn well better know where it is [01:46] hey blurr [01:46] g'day sycofly [01:47] welly here mate [01:47] urself? [01:47] melb [01:47] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] on ya [01:47] alien :) [01:47] rgr that [01:47] was in welly before here tho [01:48] does this sound like the configure i am looking for? /usr/share/libtool/libltdl/ [01:49] blurr: what are you trying to configure? [01:50] nullboy, just plain ol' flash [01:50] could try the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org for that [01:50] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [01:50] cheers twolf, will check that out now [01:50] slackbuilds.org hasn't done me wrong [01:51] noted [01:52] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] "This works, but introduces another set of problems associated with managing those applications; version updates and such require more of the admin's time than precompiled packages" i like this point [01:54] cheers twolf [01:56] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:57] didn't know flash had a configure :) [01:57] blurr: well, they're slackbuilds - as in " a script to build a pakcage from source" [01:57] alisonken1home, indeed :) [01:58] but once you build a package, you can put it on your own repository so the other boxes can upgrade easily :) [01:58] blurr: what does this show you? grep rdi /etc/inittab [01:59] Patrick J. Volkerding, [01:59] good, that's the right one [01:59] the right slack distro? [01:59] just making sure you had the right inittab you know [02:00] very important [02:00] rgr ty [02:00] hey i've noticed something (rworkman around? alienbob? Alan_Hicks ?): some laptops die in slackware and other live media boots due to cpufreq never getting loaded. anyone else notice this? is there a way to "hack" the slackware install process to force load some cpufreq ? [02:01] cpufreq is just used to change the freq depenending on the load - are you sure that's what's killing your laptop? besides, the slackware install disk uses hugesmp, not geneirc, so it's already compiled in [02:02] TwinReverb: have you tried "linux noapic noacpi" when booting? [02:02] (change "linux" to hugesmp or whatever F2 shows for the huge kernel [02:02] ) [02:03] on some machines that would be a death wish with overheating (much less even my "old" pentium-M 1.5Ghz machine won't have a cdrom drive if you disable acpi. some devices are enumerated via acpi and so you can't always do that, but it's worth a shot) [02:03] i'll have to investigate hugesmp kernel config to see if cpufreq is built in [02:04] symbolics (n=crunked@pool-96-232-107-101.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] TwinReverb: I think they just tell the smp kernel to do a full apic/acpi check rather than a full disable - t [02:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:04] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] it's needed on some smp machines to get past the loader checks [02:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:16] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] haha ripper. i have flash in konqueror [02:17] thanks guys [02:20] pireau_ (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) joined ##slackware. [02:20] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:22] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BABC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:29] morning [02:29] its getting hot outside [02:29] only -8 C this morning [02:29] Action: slackytude coffee++ [02:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:36] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-254-35-187.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-254-35-187.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:38] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-254-35-187.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] alisonken1home, i think you can do that using nosmp and then lapic [02:40] but the boot options are in kernel-$VERSION/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt [02:40] on non-smp machines, acpi and lapic (much less ioapic, which hopefully the kernel can enable) should be loaded so the kernel "sees" more devices [02:40] and yet it gets hairy from there. this is probably why Linus has been quoted as saying that the ACPI engineers at Intel are retards or something along those lines [02:41] me__ (n=me_@92.24.42.66) joined ##slackware. [02:41] the new stuff (EFI, right?) is coming soon and hopefully won't have nearly as many issues. i have no clue because i'm just an average Joe. [02:41] on mine i force enable acpi, local APIC, disable SMP, and enable I/O APIC and it works much better [02:42] but i got sick of lousy performance on generic-smp kernel config (not Pat's fault: the kernel is meant to work on as many systems as possible. this is not a slam.) so i read the intel detailed spec sheet for my chipset (Intel 82801DB) and i got as a result a much lighter and faster kernel. [02:42] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:43] but my system is old and slow so this was almost a necessity. on newer systems (dual core 1.5GHz and higher) i've seen even the mandriva kernel load fast. [02:45] interesting [02:46] i'm not OCD but i definitely like to do things "right" when/if i get the chance [02:46] i also didn't have much hard drive space so making yet another huge bloated kernel is not good. i noticed a huge savings in hard drive space simply by removing the old kernels once the new one worked. [02:48] heh i would have just upgraded my pc. how much of a performance boost you think you got? [02:49] 15 seconds at least in boot time, and at least half the memory used (via "free") right after boot [02:49] wow [02:49] as for performance "feel", probably about a 10% difference at least [02:49] thats pretty impressive [02:49] yeah but such results are more apparent on slower machines, like i said [02:49] indeed [02:50] but i did a lot of changes to the kernel config from generic-smp. i specified my CPU, disabled generic x86 instructions, told it to compile optimize for size, removed everything from the kernel that i could either never install (this is a laptop) or never use, etc [02:51] most of it was not having every IDE, SATA, SCSI, and PATA controller in the universe (tm) compiled in [02:51] me__ (n=me_@92.24.42.66) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:51] but i spent like 2 hours between the kernel config and the intel spec sheet [02:51] to each h(is|er) own [02:51] i will be upgrading my laptop soon because it's just dying [02:52] afk [02:52] k [02:53] me__ (n=me_@92.24.42.66) joined ##slackware. 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[03:05] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-254-35-187.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:07] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@68-186-203-234.static.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:07] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] hey [03:10] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [03:10] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:20] RAMBUS ram is amazingly expensive [03:21] me__ (n=me_@92.24.42.66) left irc: "me_em" [03:23] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [03:23] RAMSANs are more expensive [03:26] nater (n=nate@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] I think slackware pooped itself... I'm getting a kernel panic at boot on ldconfig, where it tells me it was unable to handle the kernel paging request [03:28] nater: what have you changed? [03:29] nothing that i know of [03:29] i think the last thing i changed was to update wine and that was weeks prior [03:29] can you boot with tghe install image? [03:30] me__ (n=me_@92.24.42.66) joined ##slackware. [03:30] then mount /, check logs [03:30] i don't even know if i have the discs anymore [03:31] you could use a usbstick or netboot [03:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:34] well, i found disc 3 of slack 11 [03:35] not helpful [03:35] disc 1 of slack 10 [03:36] try that. [03:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] should be able to mount the / fs once it boots [03:38] this is not cool model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.50GHz [03:38] it's one of the pre HT ones [03:38] alright, this machine has bigger problems it seems... won't boot now [03:38] http://www.wimp.com/bestmovie/ [03:38] valvola (n=val@salugit.unile.it) joined ##slackware. [03:40] nater: "wont boot" ? more specific if you want me/us to help [03:40] valvola (n=val@salugit.unile.it) left irc: Client Quit [03:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [03:43] clear [03:44] it wouldn't even post [03:44] but i'm in now, strange [03:45] is it a laptop? is heat an issue? [03:45] actually i turned on plug and play os in the bios and it booted all the way up [03:45] i don't believe it was changed prior to my problems though [03:45] LastPride (n=andrekgl@213.22.171.187) left irc: Client Quit [03:45] post is before bios [03:46] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:46] i know [03:47] strange stuff... [03:48] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [03:56] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:01] Ongavezir (n=ongavezi@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. 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[04:15] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] guh, i'm getting segmentation faults all over the place [04:15] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [04:15] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] hey Go on hulu is kind of funny [04:17] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] anybody know of a good multiplayer chess game? [04:19] Administ1ator (n=Administ@58.47.107.15) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [04:20] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hi [04:20] Go ftl [04:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn129.78-99-26.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:22] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [04:22] is pppd automaticlly executed after every startup? [04:23] Nick change: Administ1ator -> esom [04:23] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [04:23] no [04:23] Zordrak: Go > chess [04:23] Nick change: esom -> Guest91835 [04:23] lol [04:23] Go < Universe [04:23] thats a paradox [04:24] you SOB. you divided by zero [04:24] Only if you consider Go a member of Universe [04:24] you'll kill us all [04:25] My dissertation was a program called GoTutor written in Java [04:25] how did that make you feel? [04:25] I died a little inside every day [04:26] because of the java, more than Go no doubt [04:26] that symptom is expected worsen [04:26] how to make pppd automatically executed after startup? [04:26] don't want to modify rc.* [04:26] spook: that would be a fair assumption -- but in this case incorrect [04:27] chess is computationally feasable to cheat using a computer, go is not. [04:27] spook: give it time [04:27] quantum computing, maybe [04:28] what's the way in slackware? [04:28] oh man I cant wait until we get quantum computers [04:29] Guest91835: pppsetup [04:29] Guest91835: good work. perhaps try rc.local [04:29] "it's not a bug, the function is just looping in a singularity. we can expect results after an eternety" [04:29] =) [04:29] isn't pppsetup just going to edit one ofthe rc files anyways? [04:29] will make tech support so much easier [04:30] "can you describe in which dimension you experience these problems?" [04:30] heheh [04:30] how to configure pppoe so that it runs automatically after bootup? [04:30] Guest91835: you need to add pppoe-start to rc.local [04:30] the [04:30] spook: so this is the formal way? [04:31] pretty much. [04:31] spook: ok, thanks [04:31] pppoe-start is the proper way to start pppoe [04:31] and rc.local is as good as place as any to start it. [04:31] chmod it to be exectuable [04:31] me__: is already. [04:31] k [04:32] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) got netsplit. [04:32] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [04:32] we win! [04:33] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) returned to ##slackware. [04:33] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [04:34] where the hell did you two go off to? [04:34] Guest91835 (n=Administ@58.47.107.15) left ##slackware ("bye"). [04:37] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] ledre (n=lrenyah@120.162.206.149) joined ##slackware. [04:39] I didnt notice a kqemu package on SBo, where do you guys get this [04:39] alienbob does it [04:39] SiegeX: but really, on slack12.1 onwards you'll want to use the svn of qemu [04:40] i see, can i follow alienbob's guide with that? [04:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Administrator (n=Administ@58.47.107.15) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Nick change: Administrator -> esom [04:40] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "There is no spoon" [04:41] SiegeX: huh? [04:41] wb guest [04:41] is there a good video chat software in linux? [04:42] google "linux video chat" [04:42] skype [04:42] among other things [04:43] anybody have any experience with xmms and streaming internet radio? [04:43] pidgin? can cam? [04:43] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:43] spook: so basically just: svn co svn://svn.savannah.nongnu.org/qemu, then ./configue && make it then put that into a package? [04:43] pidgin has always, and pretty much always plans to stay text only [04:44] SiegeX: yes, except kqemu is seperate. [04:44] SiegeX: i'd look at alienbob's slackbuild, see what you need. including whats in the source tarballs that his script uses [04:45] good idea [04:46] I saw I have not uploaded qemu/kqemu packages for 12.2 yet... [04:47] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] SiegeX: maybe if you document it, and modify the slackbuild, you could submit it to slackbuilds.org as a build for the svn release [04:48] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/qemu/ [04:49] nullboy: you cant build the latest release version of kqemu, it hates gcc4. svn version has it fixed. [04:49] SiegeX: does your system support virtualization? 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[04:59] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] prolly not, its an Althlon 1900+ i think [05:00] I dont see kqemu on svn [05:00] just qemu [05:00] i see a kqemu tarball that it says to use with the svn version of qemu [05:01] SiegeX: I will have packages and SlackBuilds updated for the latest kqemu and SVN qemu snapshots... just need to build them for Slackware 12.2 [05:02] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [05:02] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:02] slackware-12.2-iso torrent ratio now 20.5 :D [05:04] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:04] lol [05:04] alienBOB: oh, thats greatnews. thanks. In the mean time im going to checkinstall it, but it looks like 12.2 already comes with the necessary udev rule. [05:04] unless that is leftover from when i tried qemu awhile ago [05:06] also, i see mount has 'none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)' so looks like 12.2 is pretty qemu-friendly [05:06] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:10] mwen (n=ledre@120.162.176.227) joined ##slackware. [05:10] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:12] evilgold_ (n=evilgold@c-71-236-166-107.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-172-219.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:14] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:15] what would cause random segfaults and reboots? I've already swapped in some memory i know to be good. [05:16] power supply [05:17] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [05:18] was trying to install Guarddog, custom-built system with KDE4 from /current. Guarddog seemed to be confused by qt3 and qt4 and got error messages, any idea? [05:21] I HATE ENGINEERS!! I am so fscking sick of "Can't you just..." requests [05:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:22] nater: overclocking, overheating (fan died, maybe chipset) are two more [05:22] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] nullboy: how would the power supply be the culprit? [05:22] siegex: not overclocked, all fans are working [05:23] nater: the whole deal runs off that alone, i'd especially look at the psu because of the reboots, since you said you checked ram already [05:23] nater: inspect the board. are any of the capacitors rounded on their tops? [05:23] nullboy: i'm not arguing, its an honest question. How would a power supply be causing random seqfaults? [05:23] who let the smoke out? poof, poof, poof-poof [05:23] mwen (n=ledre@120.162.176.227) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:24] bad power is the cause of many things [05:24] especially reboots and general instability [05:24] if it were a cap wouldn't it be a catastrophic failure rather than just random blips? [05:24] nater: not all fail with a pop [05:25] any other ideas? I'll yank it all out into the light later today [05:26] remove any cards that you don't need and see if it still does it with as bare of a system as possible [05:27] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:27] right... I wish i had a video card to swap [05:28] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] i just wanted to say KDE4 kicks ass :) [05:28] nater: is it on a UPS unit or just surge? [05:28] nater: serial connection with another computer [05:29] pretty easy to setup with slack and a null modem cable if you got it [05:29] don't have [05:30] nullboy just a power strip, no surge protection [05:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [05:30] man [05:30] i know... please don't tear up my nerd card [05:31] straight into the wall is an automatic revocation [05:31] hm can i add a range of ports to firewall script? like: $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p TCP --dport 40000-40010 -j ACCEPT ?? [05:31] power strip is a temp ban =) [05:31] lol [05:31] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cae06486bd7be0ad) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Relocatable Power Tap ftl [05:31] so you're all agreed that the power supply is the most likely culprit? [05:31] nater: only because you checked the ram already [05:32] Baisuoklis: -m multiport --dports 1,2,3 [05:32] otherwise i'd be blaming it [05:32] morning [05:32] also, '-p tcp' with lowercase [05:32] im pretty sure that matters [05:33] SiegeX: like this ? > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p TCP -m multiport --dport 40000-40010 -j ACCEPT ? [05:33] also, even though your fan is working, id go into the bios and check the temps. maybe something got nudged and the HSF isnt making proper contact to the cpu [05:33] no, like the way i put [05:33] for 'p TCP' case doent matter apparently [05:33] ok, standard is lowercase but if it works it works [05:34] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.73.166.148) joined ##slackware. [05:34] i used http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ to generata my fw script [05:34] actually, if you want a range you can do 40000:40010 with multiport [05:35] SiegeX: like this ? > $IPT -A tcp_inbound -p TCP -m multiport --dport 40000:40010 -j ACCEPT ? [05:35] --dports [05:35] ugh :) [05:35] ok, tryng this now [05:35] actually, looking at the man it shows it takes --dport too. [05:35] but it used to be --dports [05:35] makes more sense that way anyway =) [05:35] yeah [05:36] PsYkHe[at_work] (n=joao@189.22.214.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:36] baradude_ (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) joined ##slackware. [05:39] SiegeX: it works! Thank You :) [05:41] should i check the voltages in the bios and see if any are in the red? [05:44] anyone thing there is any money in data storage rental? [05:44] I also HATE microsoft.. while not surprising, today's reason is AD requiring underscores in the bind zone [05:44] i hate apple ;P [05:45] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:45] sounds like someone's got a case of the mondays [05:46] nullboy: 9 months of them and growing [05:46] lol [05:47] "If you want our crap.. you must break your services"... 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[06:22] nooper: it's worse [06:22] i thought fixing that would solve my bind problem -- definitely a blocking issue in itself - but it didnt [06:22] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] i wonder what your computer would say to you right now if it could talk [06:23] beep [06:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:24] netstat says it's def listening on the ext IP [06:25] so it must be bind pretending not to hear [06:25] but F knows why [06:26] mine would say "kill meeeeee" [06:27] "brain the size of a planet and you're making me download japanese porn" [06:27] anybody in the know about ldap? or even better, ldap + email? [06:27] mine just says 42 [06:28] Id like to have an ldap server with all our customers e-mails, so I can share this with clients [06:28] doable? even with ms clients and linux clients? [06:28] slackytude: yes [06:28] slackytude: openldap [06:28] right [06:28] what is ldap? and what is it used for? [06:29] Zordrak, any pointers, help documents or sumsuch? [06:29] nater (n=nate@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: [06:29] slackytude: but you need to mod pat's slackbuild [06:30] nooper: http://tinyurl.com/5mgnpc [06:30] Zordrak, why? [06:31] thx, very helpfull link [06:31] Zordrak: i mean what do the guys here use it for? google gives a lot of useless links [06:31] slackytude: pull the source, remove the config lines about disabling slapd and slurpd [06:31] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.16.149) left irc: "Leaving" [06:31] and build your pkg [06:32] pat's build only povides client&libraries [06:32] yeah, heard about that [06:32] server daemon not compiled [06:33] kama (n=kama@host123-116-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:33] right, so source is the same, but need to tweak slackbuild a bit, gotcha [06:34] thats all you need ... the rest is about configuration which is a twat and reqs a LOT of pre-reading [06:35] there's no 'simple default config' because it's not feasible to provide one [06:35] great :( [06:35] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [06:35] sorry :) [06:35] Bairp (i=Yjolod@m213-102-15-26.cust.tele2.lt) joined ##slackware. [06:36] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [06:37] kama (n=kama@host123-116-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:38] Zordrak, but this works with MS clients? [06:41] slackytude: you want a LDAP addressbook basically? [06:41] alienBOB, yeah [06:41] I did that like 12 years ago with Slackware, it is not hard, and MS outlook will be able to use it too [06:41] slackytude: depends what you mean [06:42] cos, right now, I have to dump from database to XLS than to CSV than import into outlook or thunderbird [06:42] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [06:42] slackytude: works with *ldap* clients [06:42] s/than/then [06:42] Ever since I have setup LDAP servers several times, you need to start learning LDIF though [06:42] slackytude: regardless of OS [06:42] alienBOB++ [06:42] alienBOB, you agree with openldap as a choice? any helpful links? [06:43] Zordrak, well, its MS, they like to break stuff [06:43] OpenLDAP is the only good choice. Use google [06:43] Action: slackytude nods [06:44] slackytude: anything that is supposed to work with *ldap* rather than just active directory will be fine [06:44] LDAP is RFCd [06:44] great [06:44] slackytude: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/03/27/ldap_ab.html for instance [06:44] cool [06:45] alienBOB, looks good, thx [06:45] kto uruchamial na 2.6.28 sagema lub speedtoucha ? [06:45] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:46] mac-: if you use english mroe people will understand [06:46] oh sorry [06:47] anyone where in the 2.6.28 can I find option to enable driver for ADSL USB modems ? [06:48] grep -Ri adsl /usr/src/linux [06:48] lol [06:51] Anyone know an irc network with a #bind channel that isnt permabebtly silent? [06:51] damn dvorak [06:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:51] Bairp (i=Yjolod@m213-102-15-26.cust.tele2.lt) left irc: "GPRS died" [06:53] lol [06:53] i am too used to qwerty [06:53] to use dvorak :-/ [06:53] ill need like few years to touch type with dvorak [06:56] alienBOB: how's your bind experience? [06:57] Action: Zordrak is clutching at straws for some guidance from someone who hasnt been staring at the same configc files for hours [06:57] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:57] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:02] Cifra (n=if@unaffiliated/cifra) joined ##slackware. [07:02] man, openldap sure runs a lot of tests [07:03] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] it's part of a nawedconf template i made [07:20] mornin | grep good [07:21] just not used it on a 10. before [07:21] Zordrak: I have maintained several bind servers and still do [07:21] dtanner: $ [07:22] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6cef9cefb7d508a0) joined ##slackware. [07:22] alienBOB: APFU i fixed it not long after my plea for help.... even though that was hours after i started trying to solve int [07:22] s/int/it/ [07:23] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] scott\ (n=scott@5ac4a14b.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:29] greetings :)) [07:29] hows everyone doing these days? [07:30] dont [07:30] good...u? [07:30] fscking [07:30] ask! [07:30] Zordrak: i didnt say what you are doing bro.. i said how are you doing [07:30] ;) [07:30] is it that bad :( [07:30] well.. no [07:30] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:31] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] as of 2 mins ago i solved ALL my bind issues [07:31] scott\ (n=scott@5ac4a1c6.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] is there a good tutorial on setting up ssh on slackware 12.2? [07:31] but i've been tearing my hair out over them for days [07:31] i fees stressed [07:32] vinnie_: LQ forum has good linksn [07:32] Zordrak: in the tutorials section? [07:33] fees stressed or feel stressed [07:33] vinnie_: try the slackware wiki as well ;) there are lots and lots of nice tutorials there [07:33] vinnie_: what are you looking for? [07:33] Channel flood from The-Croupier -- kicking [07:33] if its a tutorial...then i think yes [07:33] The-Croupier kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:33] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6cef9cefb7d508a0) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Action: The-Croupier 's second kick ever from the channel :( [07:34] wow.... i dont see where u flooded the chanel [07:34] lag-flood? [07:35] yep ;) [07:35] i dont get it?? [07:35] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:35] fees stressed == feel stressed && dvorak [07:35] vinnie_: google lag-flood ;) but ... think of it as the server being a little bit retarded and you typing too quick [07:36] 4 lines in 0 seconds :) [07:36] Zordrak: i see ;) theres always a way man dont worry [07:37] Zordrak: is that my time.. damn i am slow.. i havent been writting for some time now [07:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Zordrak: what are you studying man? [07:39] eh? [07:40] well, you said you are fees stressed... are you studying somthing? [07:42] bono (i=bono@118-168-237-24.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:44] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:47] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Minagi (n=Nagato@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-192.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Minagi (n=Nagato@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:53] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:53] Zordrak: you said you had some problems with the binding and stuff... (assuming you read some manual on it) i need to live-cd boot my pc to change some paths in the rc.d/ folder ... slackwiki..or do you suggest something else? [07:55] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:01] soooo quiet [08:01] kama (n=kama@host166-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:01] boo!@! [08:01] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:01] Action: dtanner sips coffee and offers The-Croupier some too [08:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:02] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Action: The-Croupier thanks dtanner and offers a cigarette (and hopes he smokes) [08:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:03] nixfreak (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp1-5913.dsl.hickorytech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:03] Action: dtanner thanks but I have a cigar burnin already =) [08:04] damn,,, im at work... no cigars.. and illegal slackware use too ;) [08:04] you renegade [08:05] lol [08:05] a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do [08:06] true that [08:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-256250.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:08] dtanner: would i lie to you ;) [08:08] never [08:08] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] Agiofws: geia geia geia...happy new year and all that [08:08] dtanner: never never [08:09] puff puff [08:09] http://www.petitiononline.com/ut3linux/petition.html nice [08:09] damn its so boring at work.. when they give you 4hours for something that takes 5mins :) [08:09] all that [08:09] The-Croupier, is your cous ok ? [08:09] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Agiofws: you will not believe this [08:09] its awful [08:10] what is ? [08:10] the little girl (the story with the tramboline) she is in the same state... [08:10] I signed it =) [08:11] The-Croupier: you have a link to the news clip about the trampline incident ? [08:11] The-Croupier, no signs of recovery ? [08:11] over xmas and new years the cousins got together and we took her to bouzoukia... when we were getting back from newyears fun (to make her feel good) i got a call from my mother saying that her brother just crashed with a motobike [08:12] he is in serious condition (20yo) and they say hes not gonna make the week [08:13] dtanner: yes, agiofws and i made some blogs [08:13] (20yo) ? [08:13] 20 years old [08:13] The-Croupier: post link please [08:13] anybody with a slackware 12.2 install having trouble configuring sound? can't use xmms to play any audio.. [08:14] The-Croupier, so she has not had any signs of getting better ... is she in a wheelchair ? [08:14] dtanner :( i am at work.. i have nothing here.. [08:14] blurr: yes , my sound has beeen borked since my fresh clean 12.2 install, I am thinking about deleting all the alsa packages and unloading all the sound modules and going from scratch compiling alsa myself [08:14] Agiofws: could you post the link please [08:15] blurr, once you get the modules loaded (probably already loaded) run alsamixer [08:15] dtanner. yeah thought so [08:15] Agiofws: yes shes in the weelchair, and sometimes she cannot keep her body straight.she cannot get up [08:15] Soul_keeper, yeah i have. its still stuffed though [08:15] ahhh [08:15] i thinkthe she cant walk at all as i cna tell [08:15] shit ... [08:16] anybody else on 12.2? [08:16] blurr: i feel your pain , my sound , like i mentioned, has been screwed since my 12.2 installation [08:16] blurr: yep [08:16] I am going to recompile the alsa packages and follow the directions for my sound card at the alsa site [08:16] dtanner: my 12.2 sound is fine [08:16] The-Croupier, hows your sound working? [08:16] dtanner, http://trabolino.blogspot.com/ [08:16] dtanner, what sound card you got? [08:16] Zordrak, you still here? [08:16] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Connection timed out [08:17] The-Croupier: maybe it only affects cetain sound cards I dunno but it is a fact that my sound has been fine on 12.0 and 12.1 , but 12.2 it is not [08:17] blurr: what do you mean... i can hear stuff... with what type i cannot help you... its one of the standard acer laptops sound card [08:17] and my laptop is quiet old as well..nearly two years now [08:18] i can hear logon sounds etc too but no music [08:18] goo1 (n=goo@ppp089210141049.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] goo1 (n=goo@ppp089210141049.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware. [08:18] and the sound that is playing is pretty well crapola (too much gain or something) [08:18] blurr: what do you mean you can hear log on sounds... [08:18] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6cef9cefb7d508a0) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:19] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:19] dtanner, do you know what sound card you have? [08:19] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5b1150beaf6d67b2) joined ##slackware. [08:19] sorry wrong tab :) [08:19] :) [08:20] i can hear some system sounds coming through speakers. but nothing i do intentionally will play [08:20] quite strange. [08:20] what sound card was that? [08:21] intel HD [08:21] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [08:21] on the other hand, if you can hear stuff from the speakers..means its nothing to do with it. that means its some kind of setting wrong ( i think) [08:21] Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio [08:21] blurr: i think i might have the same .. (not very sure) [08:22] maybe, it's a pretty generic lappy sound card [08:22] blurr: tell me something, did you try loading other wms? [08:22] blurr: could be that something is locking up to sound device [08:22] no i haven't actually. [08:22] you mean like flux or something? [08:22] once, i loaded xfce and sound wasnt working and flux was [08:23] I just played around with some simple LDAP stuff and it works fine so far. I now have a directory and an addressbook. Now, if I want to populate this addressbook, I have to make a file with the correct entries and call ldapadd ? [08:23] blurr: alsa-project has something called dmix, its a software mixer [08:23] blurr: try alsa then tab tab.. and see what options you can play around with [08:23] zounds, yeah i checked the alsamixer just before all settings saved. still nada [08:23] blurr: cheep autio devices cant mix more then one autio stream [08:23] i think theres alsa-settings as well [08:24] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:24] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:24] brb going to check another win man [08:24] the truth is though, that mine just worked straight away after a fresh install ;) i did mess around with it a little though when changing wms [08:25] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.68) joined ##slackware. [08:28] mplayer seems to default to oss, then it locks the audiodevice. Nothing else can play. [08:28] but if I set mplayer to use ao=alsa, I can start several instances [08:29] or even arts, I suppose [08:30] yeah, you need to use a mixer on cheep hardware. [08:30] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:31] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [08:31] sigh [08:31] restart x and now it works :S [08:31] grats, I guess :) [08:31] ty :) [08:31] stupid question: can sound card be changed in laptop? old ones ( like two years) [08:32] blurr: ;) [08:32] if you find one the right size i dont see why not [08:32] what do you mean, sound changed? [08:32] lol [08:32] like..new sound card? [08:32] straterra: sorry yes like that [08:32] The-Croupier: There are pcmcia ones [08:32] Or USB [08:32] no..you cant swap it out. you can get another one though [08:32] usb, pcmcia, expresscard [08:33] 99% of all laptops have it firmly soldered to the mainboard so replacement is not possible. [08:34] no kidding [08:34] o.O [08:34] spose laptops aren't really designed for being modular [08:34] SuN: damn, i think i have one of those .. not sure though.. ill check the minute i get home [08:34] blurr: they are only designed to be portable thats all [08:34] The-Croupier: every laptop I've ever seen has it on the motherboard [08:34] indeed [08:34] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "Leaving" [08:35] straterra: yep, same here [08:35] thats why i asked [08:35] i think its more likely to get hit by lightning than to have a removable sound card in a laptop [08:35] lol [08:35] Probably :D [08:36] straterra: come on, it cannot be that difficult to make something like that, i believe it would put the prices well up [08:36] especially for gamers (esp.student gamers) [08:36] And even if it was replaceable... where the hell are you going to find a replacement? [08:36] Especially one that's actually an upgrade. [08:37] Laptops are incidentally not the best place to be for a soundcard anyway. [08:37] SuN: i think my dear friends we just found something that the hardware companies should think about [08:37] I've read somewhere that there are laptops where you can change the gfxcard. Probably highend machines, Alienware or something like that [08:37] i dont think they should [08:37] I dunno, I'd expect the extra cost to not be worth it. [08:37] zounds: some Dells have that, especially the more high-end models with Nvidia chips. [08:38] there is logic to that though [08:38] you'd replace the vid card before you would the sound card [08:38] SuN: Great. That means I'm not imagening things :P [08:38] :D [08:38] i dont see a huge reason to have the functionality to upgrade the sound card in laptops [08:39] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [08:39] again, i know lots of students that play games, and they wanted another soundcard implemented and didnt have the chance [08:39] Sound cards generally don't become outdated very quickly, unlike GFX cards. [08:39] why did they want/need a new soundcard? [08:39] I think that pcmcia/expresscard is the way to go [08:39] Not in Linux :D [08:40] i have the turtle beach srm [08:40] No driver huh? [08:40] love it [08:40] Well, for good sound you'd want the DA conversion to be as far away from your computer as possible to avoid any interference, so USB would be ideal. [08:40] Not sure how well those do hardware accelleration as far as sound is councerned, though. [08:40] Ok [08:40] -l [08:41] anyone notice that when trying to add a second similar named package to the sbopkg build queue, it says its already in the build queue, when infact its not? [08:41] The best solution I've had so far, though, is a bit-perfect digital out going to a hifi receiver. [08:42] straterra: that looks like a nice card, what chip does it use? [08:43] for instance... i add xmltv_prereq to the build queue, then try to add xmltv to the build queue, it says already in build queue. [08:45] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) joined ##slackware. [08:47] godmachine81 (n=g0d@173-16-101-38.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] vinnie_: are you sure ? [08:48] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:48] The-Croupier, let me rephrase my answer, no its not likely you can change the sound card, it is more like that you will get hit by lightning ;) [08:48] yup... ive had it happen on other packages as well [08:49] vinnie_: file a bug report [08:49] where do i do that? [08:49] if everything else fails tell _chess_ [08:49] vinnie_: that bug is already reported. [08:50] is it? [08:50] Lemme see if I can find the link... [08:50] ok [08:50] by the way... how do i open xmltv once its installed? [08:51] blurr: http://pastebin.com/ma1e4310 <-- sound hardware info . check out nvidia/and HP in the lspci report and the kernel is loading an intel module, go figure [08:52] Not necessarily wrong, though. [08:52] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [08:52] dtanner, heh 'Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device [08:52] interesting [08:52] "intel hda" is a specification that can be implemented in numerous ways. [08:52] is it normal that audacious jumps when playing a .wma? [08:53] If you're not on a Pentium 100, I would say "yes". [08:53] Most intel-hda implementations use Realtek chips, but I guess it could be implemented with Nvidia chips as well. [08:53] SuN, , me? [08:53] dios_mio: yes :D [08:54] Does it jump only when you do something or does it skip regardless? [08:54] SuN, , so it is normal? or did you confuse the double negatives? :P [08:54] Oh, I did, yes. [08:54] Sorry :) [08:54] :P [08:54] blurr: show me your lspci audio output at pastebin.com please, since you are having "issues" also if you don;t mind [08:54] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:54] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] vinnie_: http://code.google.com/p/sbopkg/source/detail?r=283 [08:55] this jumping thing happens at times.. sometimes with mpg321 too [08:55] dtanner, i restarted my x after doing alsaconf and it works. still having probs with xmms, but i use vlc anyways. [08:55] blurr: i think i am going to just buy a soundcard that is fully supported. of course that unknown HP audio device is ONboard [08:56] Onboard sound is often World of Hurt. [08:56] dimmerbold: ty [08:56] indeed [08:56] Even if it works, the quality is usually subpar. [08:56] vinnie_: let me rephrase ;) the are you sure... was going to the sbopkg thing you posted [08:57] vinnie_: np. I wanted to report the same thing, but browsed the svn first and found the report. [08:57] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: "Leaving" [08:57] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) joined ##slackware. [08:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:58] how do i open xmltv once its installed/ [08:59] dtanner, here it is for you anyways though http://pastebin.com/m466ebace [08:59] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Client Quit [09:00] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:00] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:03] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [09:05] elvis vs. Vim :: Thoughts anyone? [09:06] <_chess_> vinnie_: I think that problem in sbopkg is resolved now [09:06] Zordrak: they are both legends, one in the singing and the later in editing [09:06] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:07] _chess_: im running latest version [09:07] <_chess_> it's resolved in SVN, I mean. fix will be in the next release. [09:07] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:07] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:08] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:08] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:08] _chess_: thanx... when should we expect new release [09:08] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) joined ##slackware. [09:09] <_chess_> vinnie_: very soon :-) [09:09] _chess_: cool! I love sbopkg. its awesome [09:10] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] saves me lots of work [09:10] sbopkg = something that fetches stuff from slackbuilds automatically? [09:10] Aldaron: yes [09:10] <_chess_> cool, glad it is working well for you. there are many good fixes and improvements in SVN that cropped up from the new build queue. [09:10] Zordrak: A descriptive name, for once :) [09:11] The-Croupier: yeah.. but then elvis is the slackware default [09:11] <_chess_> I just built about 20 packages in the queue, including dependencies in the right order, and it all worked fine [09:11] sbo queue reordering ftw! [09:12] <_chess_> dimmerbold: yes, that is a big improvement, thanks to Mauro Giachero [09:12] kama (n=kama@host166-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:14] <_chess_> I like this new feature: [09:14] <_chess_> http://code.google.com/p/sbopkg/source/detail?r=285 [09:14] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:14] sod it.. im re-linking vi to vim instead of elvis [09:15] as with other similar things.. i can only assume pat just prefers elvis [09:15] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:16] i think it has minimal deps and stays in a/ so a/ can be standalone [09:16] or something close to that [09:16] even nvi has more deps that elvis [09:16] Zordrak: maybe he was a fun of his, in his age [09:17] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:18] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] _chess_: does that mean that ppl can choose whatever pkg in whatever order and it will automagically check the order? or the pkgs should be in the specific order? [09:18] _chess_: i did the same around 10-15pkgs in a row the other day ;) well happy about that [09:18] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [09:19] sahko: that makes a little sense.. but doesnt elvis require an external drawing dep that plain vi doesnt? [09:19] <_chess_> The-Croupier: it won't automagically check things -- you still need to put them in the right order, but the queue now can be resorted manually, so you don't have to get the list correct the first time you add pkgs to it [09:19] _chess_: please dont ever add auto dep rearranging :) [09:20] <_chess_> what I linked to above is the ability to pass build options/flavors to the SlackBuild since some of the SlackBuild have optional things you can pass to it [09:20] Zordrak: i had looked it up at some point. i *think* nvi needed glib2 while elvis didnt. but im only guessing, trying to explain [09:20] <_chess_> Zordrak: don't worry :-) [09:21] sbopkg does dependency checking? :p [09:21] sahko: no [09:21] sahko: that's it: fmt [09:21] Zordrak: is right, if one does that then it limits lots of stuff [09:21] sahko: elvis calls fmt for formatting [09:22] whats fmt? [09:22] man fmt [09:22] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) joined ##slackware. [09:22] :) [09:22] <_chess_> the dependency checker sits in a chair in front of the keyboard ;-) [09:22] _chess_: check #sbopkg plz [09:23] _chess_: hehe [09:23] :) [09:23] night all [09:23] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [09:27] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.68) left irc: "0x0" [09:33] and that is it... quiet again ..... [09:33] Action: The-Croupier hates it when there are so many things to get going...and its sooooo quiet [09:34] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:35] has to be something worth saying.... this isn't ##redhat :) [09:36] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: "Leaving" [09:36] The-Croupier, problems with redhat deps :P? [09:36] ALVAN: no man, i only use slackware for 2years now ;) [09:36] Zordrak: dont ruin my reputation :p [09:37] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:37] The-Croupier, oki ;) [09:37] The-Croupier: I could just as easily said ##ubuntu [09:38] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] meaning "some other channel where it doesnt have to be worth saying to say it" [09:38] The-Croupier, then what are the so many things to get going .... [09:38] Zordrak: have you been watching me :( [09:39] Action: The-Croupier hides, installs tor, changes ip,macchanger....etc [09:39] lol [09:39] SiegeX: uploaded new qemu/kqemu packages [09:39] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] alienBOB: thank you ... [09:39] and lots more ;) [09:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.27) joined ##slackware. [09:43] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.238.62) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] lol [09:43] for example: if someone is stupid enough to delete (while in root ) all the rc.d/ scripts is there a way to find them back? [09:44] backups? [09:44] The-Croupier, :D if your data is so important then make backups .... [09:44] The-Croupier: as per my most recent `fortune`: People respond to people who respond. [09:45] ok, lets skip the backup part ( remember ...stupid*) [09:45] and try not to let person on your server that does not know how to deal with linux .. test them before to be sure they are ok ... [09:45] from now on what happens [09:46] ALVAN: i dont let that person even be in a 5m range from my laptop... restraining orders ;) [09:46] The-Croupier, dont give root access anyway ..why you want to give them root access [09:46] The-Croupier: If they did that ... they don' tneed to touch a computer [09:46] The-Croupier: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware-source/ [09:46] ALVAN: never gave root access to anybody ;) [09:46] let alone yours [09:46] so who is going to delete them you :P? [09:47] ALVAN: they already did :( [09:47] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [09:47] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Zordrak: so in the source i canfind them there ;) [09:47] ok, ill put a live-cd..mount it/ and cp all the files back [09:48] The-Croupier, to get this straight you want to fix a broken slackware [09:48] ALVAN: yep [09:48] slack version ? [09:48] kama (n=kama@host166-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:48] background: 12.2 version, rc.d/ * empty [09:48] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [09:49] "less" is very intelligent!! you can use the mouse wheel with it in an xterm [09:49] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] thats not less [09:49] kama (n=kama@host166-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:49] thats xterm [09:49] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] :) [09:49] dios_mio, the mouse is to far from the keyboard better use "Page Down " :) [09:50] :P [09:50] ALVAN: is it supported from xterm or more [09:50] evilgold_ (n=evilgold@c-71-236-166-107.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] Frankfort, Kentucky, makes it against the law to shoot off a policeman's tie. [09:51] i think more supports pagedown, less supports only the wheel :p [09:52] i use xterm mainly see yourself if it works in other but should i guess [09:52] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [09:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:53] The-Croupier, for that slackware restore use a fresh 12. install and copy the init scripts [09:53] *12.2 [09:53] ALVAN: what do you mean [09:54] copy the init scripts from the cd to the hdd? [09:55] kama (n=kama@host166-231-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:56] wtf [09:56] do you have somewhere else a fresh 12.2 installed already [09:56] how do you mouse-paste in vim?? [09:56] ALVAN: nope [09:56] Zordrak: middle button [09:57] Zordrak: middle wheel button press it inwards [09:57] otherwise edit paste [09:57] not working for Win glipboard in PuTTY [09:57] Zordrak: why not go edit paste? [09:58] edit? [09:58] vats (n=v@122.164.112.157) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak: file,edit,view...the menus on top ;) [09:58] valvola (n=val@salugit.unile.it) joined ##slackware. [09:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.170.227) joined ##slackware. [09:58] not my vim [09:59] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:59] ALVAN: i dont have any other slackware apart from my laptop(the one that is deleted) ;) [09:59] The-Croupier: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware-source/ [10:00] The-Croupier, you saying that, the conclusion is that you deleted them :P [10:01] The-Croupier: sooo.. where's this edit munu? [10:01] ALVAN: it actually wasnt me who deleted them but it doesnt really matter ;) [10:01] :D [10:02] Zordrak, the menus are in gvim, not vim [10:02] oh [10:02] so.. [10:02] Zordrak, what does the command ':set mouse' show? [10:02] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:02] mouse=a [10:02] try :set mouse=r [10:02] http://fixunix.com/slackware/125520-cant-paste-text-into-konsole-running-vim.html [10:03] then it ought to be able to do normal mouse copy/paste with select + middle click [10:03] set paste [10:03] poifect [10:03] The-Croupier, no [10:03] right click is what i wanted and what i got [10:03] dive whats wrong [10:04] set paste just makes pasting better when pasting lots of lines with indents [10:04] hmm [10:04] but it's a good command [10:04] dive: ohh sorry... :( [10:04] Zordrak, right click will not work [10:04] i doubt [10:04] gotta go :) boss is coming here and my time at work is finished [10:05] Action: Zordrak wants elvis functionality with vim syntax highlighting [10:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] dive: it does [10:05] thank you guys, have a nice night [10:05] well thats more a feature of putty then i think [10:05] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] perhaps [10:05] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5b1150beaf6d67b2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:06] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [10:06] vats (n=v@122.164.112.157) left irc: "Leaving" [10:06] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:07] guess i'll just go back to elvis and forego the highlighting [10:07] Zordrak, some terminal emus will let you right click-paste but all should allow middle-click [10:07] sure [10:07] Zordrak, why? whats wrong with vim? [10:08] just the pasting? [10:08] just feeling vim is *too* complex to be the default on my boxes [10:08] too much funk [10:08] it does have a lot of funk [10:09] You don't have to use those options. [10:09] like i said.. ALL i want is elvis+highlighting [10:09] nowt else [10:10] Action: Zordrak googles elvis docs [10:10] there's probably ways of setting vim to be more like elvis [10:10] and vice versa [10:11] isBEKaml (i=7aa4709d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a6a26979bf838b02) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Zordrak, i better set vim to be more like elvis ... vim has many more features then elvis [10:13] i think is set paste [10:13] and set mouse n [10:13] bah.. features schmeatures [10:14] Zordrak, you could try backing up .vimrc then making a new one with just 'syntax on' 'set mouse=r' [10:14] and maybe 'set hlsearch' [10:15] hlsearchZ [10:15] s/Z/\?/ [10:15] it hilights the words you arew searhing for [10:16] heh.. dont have a .vimrc [10:16] then make one [10:16] it's using system vimrc [10:17] /usr/share/vim/vimrc [10:17] ah [10:17] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@c-98-206-92-172.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] but if you make ~/.vimrc is should override system [10:17] would set sys-wide anyway [10:19] for now have changed the mouse and will see if vim and I can get along [10:20] Zordrak, if you want to paste using vim and the mouse then set paste too [10:20] works ok with default [10:21] if you are pasting multiple lines it's good idea to have a bind for :set paste - 'map :set paste' [10:21] which puts it on ctrl-c [10:21] it's no good putting in .vimrc because it forgets that setting sometimes when doing other things [10:21] question is.. can it let me tab-in a block [10:22] that would give me a real reason to use it over elvis [10:22] Zordrak, yes highlight with visual mode then use > or < [10:22] dive is not easier just to put :set paste when you insert for anything ? [10:22] cool [10:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:23] sQuEE` (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [10:23] ALVAN, it's very easy to bind it to a key and then use it before pasting [10:23] of course you should also put it in .vimrc but know that it doesn't always stick [10:24] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] dive: v *highlight* >> moves one line :/ [10:24] so, debian allows binary blobs "assuming they comply to the GPL". that sounds very convinient [10:24] Zordrak, select multiple lines with shift-v or blocks with ctrl-v [10:25] and of course need to use arrows [10:25] well yes and that .. though i am used to paste only with the mouse since i almost every time i selecting them with the mouse :P [10:25] ahh [10:25] was using mouse [10:25] thought would do the same thing [10:26] ALVAN, try copying from another file with indents without set paste [10:26] it goes al over the page [10:26] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Zordrak, not with mouse=r [10:26] :help mouse [10:26] n [10:26] isBEKaml (i=7aa4709d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a6a26979bf838b02) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:26] n means no mouse [10:26] i think [10:27] normal [10:27] normal [10:27] i'd use "a" but n.eed to be able to mouse paste in PuTTY [10:27] v is visual but it goes a bit haywire when you want to paste from other files [10:27] i find r is better [10:28] r allows copy/pasting as normal [10:28] but know selecting with mouse [10:28] s/know/no [10:28] h [10:28] hm [10:28] will see [10:29] Boa tarde pessoal, [10:29] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: "Leaving" [10:29] Action: spook slackware [10:29] Nao estou conseguindo reiniciar o Asterisk, ele exibe a seguinte mensagem: [10:29] Action: spook <3 slackware [10:29] Unable to connect to remote asterisk (does /var/run/asterisk/asterisk/asterisk.ctl exist?) [10:29] Alguem tem alguma ideia? [10:29] english only please. [10:29] asterisk isn't in slackware [10:29] ops [10:29] so I doubt you're going to get support for asterisk here. [10:29] sorry [10:29] Zordrak, :set mouse=n works fine for me [10:29] in xterm [10:29] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) left irc: "Leaving" [10:30] have set r now [10:30] monstro: You might try #asterisk. =) [10:30] ALVAN: i *only* use PuTTY and TTY [10:30] jkwood, yeah [10:30] thanks ;-) [10:30] ALVAN, try selecting text with mouse - does mouse=n allow it? [10:30] No problem. =) [10:31] maybe it works in xterm but it doesnt work on plain linux console.. [10:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.6) joined ##slackware. [10:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] dive hm no is not i am trying mouse=i [10:34] no that is bad too [10:34] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) joined ##slackware. [10:34] indeed that is why I use mouse=r ;) [10:34] Phenox (n=Bernd@213.23.133.130) left irc: "Leaving" [10:35] the vim mouse modes are even worse when copying from another terminal/tab/web etc [10:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [10:35] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [10:35] dive try mouse=c [10:35] that should work [10:36] in both insert and paste [10:36] i mean select and insert [10:37] i think setting mouse to work in command line mode effectively sets it off or r for editor mode, but need to check that [10:38] so there's no benefit for using vim as normal editor [10:39] dive i know that in previous version it worked with mouse=n dont know why now is different [10:39] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ynamar (n=marielit@200.119.213.39) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ALVAN, no idea but mouse=r still allows you to use mouse in command line [10:40] so they are pretty equal i think [10:40] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@c-98-206-92-172.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [10:40] nope find r still better than c [10:41] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [10:41] hi al [10:41] that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it ;p [10:41] DIMMERBOLD [10:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cae06486bd7be0ad) left irc: [10:41] i did it now I only need to extract the data from the .img file [10:42] ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty :) [10:42] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) left irc: "Leaving" [10:42] that hd was messed up hard core [10:42] Can I delete all the file in /tmp even there are some sbo and source packages out there ? [10:42] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Karlitoo: great! [10:43] you can mount the img file with loopback and extract whatever info you need [10:43] pip, well you might want to mv those sb packages somewhere else [10:43] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:43] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] pip, and quite a few apps put files in /tmp that you should not delete [10:44] yeah the only problem is that the loopback does not want to let me mount the img cause it saiz that it does not recognize the image as ntfs file system [10:44] Karlitoo: your ability to mount and extract info will be heavily dependant on the number ond location of errors [10:44] what I do on my desktop is wipe out /tmp on shutdown or bootup [10:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-256250.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] Karlitoo: that's 'cause its a full disk image...you have to mount with an offset [10:44] I need to try and switch to slack 12.2 casue in 12.2 mount has thentfs-g3 [10:45] dive, the SBo directory is so big [10:45] Don't save things you need to keep in /tmp ... it is by definition for temporary files [10:45] why ntfs 3g? you only need regular read support to copy data out [10:45] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] what apps do that? [10:45] tru [10:45] rob0, So it's safe if I delete the SBo folder in /tmp ? [10:45] rob0, mutt, pidgin.. [10:46] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.7.178) joined ##slackware. [10:46] pip dont delete all the fiels in /tmp some are need for kde.sock for example etc ... [10:46] humm an offset let me google a bit so I don't bother you as much [10:47] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Karlitoo: np...it's easy: "fdisk -l -uS file.img" [10:47] will give you the offset in sectors to the partition [10:47] Re: SBo, I always set OUTPUT to a permanent place. The sources and package assembly directories are expendable. [10:47] sorry, I man sfdisk [10:47] bah! I MEAN sfdisk not fdisk [10:48] :) [10:48] look at the linuxleo site. there's info on offset mounting images in that pdf [10:48] ynamar (n=marielit@200.119.213.39) left irc: [10:49] nice ty :) [10:49] np! I'm glad it worked out (so far...let's see how borked the fs in the image is first...) [10:50] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] wonder what i can do to speed up mdadm... [10:51] well afer I froze the drive a bit and let it settle it still couldnt load the system but it did do the ddrescue without any errors [10:51] which is kinda mindblowing to me [10:51] I taught the hd was compleatly whiped [10:51] you need to pack something moisture absorbing in with the drive [10:51] cool , i rtfm at alsa concerning my onboard sound card and added the lines reccomended to modprobe.conf and all is good. [10:52] like rice [10:52] or that it had at least tons of bad sectors and errors [10:52] well it did have error but nothing that -r1 couldn't read [10:52] which also keeps the drive cold while you recover it [10:52] contrary to popular belief, the freezer trick DOES work... like spook said, though, you need to be generous with dessicant [10:53] get a plastic bag, pack with with rice, put the drive in the middle, freeze it for a while, take it out, and connect the drive with it still in the pack packed with rice. keeps it cold longer [10:53] ddrescue rocks! [10:54] I put spunnges around it [10:54] dimmerbold, yeah indeed :) [10:56] well my working hours are doen for today so I'm off. c ya guys and girls tomorrow [10:56] and ty again [10:56] Karlitoo: ttfn [10:56] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Java user signed off" [10:57] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:58] mwendi (n=ledre@120.163.7.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:59] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:01] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[11:21] sahko: s/picked/randowly\ generated/ [11:21] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] sahko: there are MUCH better WhatIfs out there to concern yourself with [11:22] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:22] like whatif i missed out on an orgy with like 10 smoking hot chicks that cater to your every fetish [11:22] like what extraterrestrials and god? [11:22] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [11:23] hah [11:23] sahko: What if you are all just figments of my imagination? [11:23] Zordrak: then it means you use really good drugs ')_ [11:23] you're not. [11:24] you are all just lines of text on my monitor. TAKE THAT YOU LINES OF TEXT... PUU PUU PUU! [11:24] is here someone that using mysql-query-browser [11:24] and have problem with selecting schema [11:24] ? [11:26] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [11:27] e01: ##mysql [11:28] hurry up mdadm! [11:28] oh in other news, "watch" is an awesome command [11:28] zonker, thanks, will ask there [11:28] Zordrak* :) [11:29] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:29] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] spook: oo [11:30] watch -t is good too [11:30] that will save me some while loops [11:30] especially for like /proc files [11:30] and tail -f for log files [11:30] tail -F is good for long term, when syslog rotates the files [11:32] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [11:34] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:34] i only ever jump in and out of tail -f [11:34] never run one long term [11:35] -F will follow the file name [11:36] also rsync is awesome [11:37] im aware of the awesomeness of rsync.. but never have cause to use it [11:38] rsync+ssh is sweeet [11:38] :) [11:38] i use it to sync my local http mirror of slackware 12.1 12.2 and slamd64 12.1 [11:38] I use rsync to move data even on my local system [11:40] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:40] oo [11:40] I've used tail -f to log an irc convo for access on my website before. It's nice. [11:40] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:40] just seen autoslack for the first time [11:40] interesting idea [11:40] autoslack? [11:41] gizoogle [11:42] jizoogle? [11:42] http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=autoslack [11:42] They also have an option to make a tinyurl of it. [11:42] found it while browsing ~david [11:43] since using the nis-mini-howto [11:43] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:45] Once NIS is being served by slack solaris' dhays are TRULY numbered [11:46] ummm [11:47] spook: ? [11:47] Zordrak: slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [11:48] run by cron is all you would need [11:48] well yes [11:48] and change /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf to run in batch mode [11:48] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:48] but this was developed some time ago [11:48] how old is slackpkg? [11:48] Zordrak:"interesting idea" [11:49] but a proper sysadmin shouldnt be automatically installing updates, EVER. [11:50] not for prod boxes at least [11:51] unixjazz (n=fido@189.63.135.101) joined ##slackware. [11:52] unixjazz (n=fido@189.63.135.101) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:53] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:24] triple core phenom [12:24] nice [12:24] spook, anymore than 1 freaks me out, hee hee. on 12.2 my little netbooks have two here, (I had to use vga=normal on slack 12.1 so never noticed); heh [12:24] cheapest paravirtualisation capable cpu i could spec for a machine i'm building for a business [12:24] monstro (n=monstro@201-68-37-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] spook: yeah the firfst time I booted up my dual core.. I was like "woot.. 2 penguins!" [12:24] wife was like "what the fuck...?" [12:24] lol [12:25] you should see my gf when she asks "what are you doing?" then her eyes glaze over when i explain exactly what it is i'm doing [12:25] yeah [12:25] I've been doing some research on cpu's. I see "Intel (R) virtualization" in the brief spec's that they show over there at tiger direct, is that 'kvm' virtualization; or just an intel thing. [12:25] its a good way to stop that conversation [12:26] Old_Fogie: kvm [12:26] halt, present hall pass [12:26] Dominian, aha I see. [12:26] Dominian, thanks [12:26] second request, present hall pass [12:26] Just means it supports hardware virtualization [12:26] them intel extremes are $$ woh [12:26] I need to get me a processor that supports that [12:26] so I can see what all this kvm is about [12:27] Dominian: intel's flag is vmx, amd's flag is svm. VT-X and AMD-V [12:27] erm [12:27] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:27] Old_Fogie: KVM supports both [12:27] Does anyone have a yp makefile configured with slightly saner defaults for slack than the upstream [12:27] It looks to me the intel core 2 duo quad's is the way to go on price, any 'boo hoo-ers' to that assumption for a nice Slack box that does a ton of compiling? [12:27] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:27] spook, ah ok. [12:27] Old_Fogie: core 2 quad [12:27] Dominian: You don't have vmx? [12:27] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Oh, it makes Virtualbox SO much nicer to work with. [12:28] intel e4x00, q6x00, e8x00, q9xxx all have vmx [12:28] jkwood, virtual box on my amd 2500 has tremendous cpu use with a guest slack at idle now adays, I've had to go away from it. [12:28] opteron socket AM2 and above have svm, all phenoms have svm [12:29] Old_Fogie: grep svm /proc/cpuinfo? [12:29] spook, yes the core 2 quad seem's a good balance of price / perfo from what I'm reading on, the 'extreme's' seem sooo high a.t.m. [12:29] Old_Fogie, even after installing guest additions? [12:29] jkwood: i just listed every cpu that has paravirt [12:29] Old_Fogie: wahat the cost of the core duo quad vs. a Core i7? [12:29] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [12:29] jkwood, nothing on the grep [12:29] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009108030.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:29] That's why. [12:30] dimmerbold, oh I could be wrong I've just started 2 days ago. [12:30] Action: Camarade_Tux heard the PhenomII was performing really well [12:30] I'm trying to hold to ~160 bux on the CPU [12:30] it matches similar priced core 2 quads [12:30] the core i7 920 is cheap, new gen, .... [12:30] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062139098.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:30] dimmerbold, aha I see [12:30] ah, then never mind. the i7 920's are going for around $280 [12:31] plus you'd need an LGA 1366 mobo [12:31] I'd like to get the parts (no fan, no drives, no PSU) under 600$ is basically what I'm shooting for. [12:31] cant help but wonder how much profit amd are making if they are matching preformance and price on intel cpus with the phenom2 [12:31] run kvm with virtual box and Slack :) [12:31] slack host, slack vm [12:31] Old_Fogie: go with a phenom am2+, you can stick it in an am2 motherboard [12:32] I would NOT go with a phenom over the core i7 [12:32] intel is the way to go [12:32] not with how cheap the core i7's are [12:32] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] and i hate intel [12:32] spook, the phenomII should be faster than the old Cores but not than the i7 [12:32] spook, I dont have any am2 boards, all my hardware is depracated except PSU's and hard drives, heh [12:32] I'd agree *strongly* with straterra, the i7's are just too cheap and head and shoulders above amd current offerings [12:33] Phenom 2 will run about even with the C2 line [12:33] not the i7 [12:33] Camarade_Tux: apparently the phenomII is matching similar priced core 2 quads, i.e; 45nm vs 45nm [12:33] The Core i7 is not only cheap, it's loaded with great architecture changes. [12:33] yup [12:33] So the i7 is the next 'wave' of intel cpu's then and not the extreme's ? [12:33] I had a chance to talk to one of the Intel guys about it back in October. The performance gains should be unreal. [12:33] just look at the 920. that's some amazing cpu power [12:33] Old_Fogie: i believe htere is an extreme i7 [12:33] there^ [12:34] extreme i7 = ~$900 [12:34] Man ...bring back the days of p2..200,266.300 hahah [12:34] eh? [12:34] was simpler to spec out [12:34] hehee [12:34] clock speed means..little [12:34] I prefer model names [12:34] does slackpkg work with slamd64? [12:35] GREAT QUESTION [12:35] straterra, yes I got more reading to do. [12:35] straterra, just started this week, I need some speed here [ in bed ] :) [12:35] Speed in bed is bad [12:36] spook: yes it does [12:36] spook: however.. you have to get the "ported" version [12:36] Dominian: ported? [12:36] spook: http://github.com/JoshW/slackpkg-slamd64/tree/master [12:36] jkwood haxed it [12:36] Dominian: thanks [12:36] There are somet thinks that have to be changed with it to make it work properly with slamd64 [12:36] spook, that's what I read for the core2, but not for the i7 [12:36] spook: no problem. [12:36] jkwood: thanks to you two i guess :) [12:36] spook: It works wonderfully.. use it on my desktop and laptop [12:36] I'm about to do something crazy..and bridge my work interface and my vpn with ipv6.. [12:37] and give my work ipv6 :O [12:37] Dominian: is it enough to update using /patches ? [12:37] You're extremely welcome. [12:37] spook: for 12.1? sure [12:37] I run -current on all my stuff [12:37] awesome. [12:37] valvola (n=val@salugit.unile.it) left irc: "valvo is shutting down..." [12:37] I try to give a hand with development as much as I can.. [12:37] this will be a prod box [12:37] Action: Dominian nods [12:37] If you want.. i'd wait for 12.2 if you can. [12:37] shouldn't be too much longer before its "done" although we haven't had an RC yet.. so not sure what fred's plans are [12:38] he did security updates this past weekend.. but has a few other things to do [12:38] Like add slackpkg >:) [12:38] heh [12:38] jkwood: aye [12:38] theres not even slackpkg in /extra :P [12:38] jkwood: and wicd [12:39] spook: not yet ther isn't [12:39] but it will be part of the distro once the updates are finished. [12:39] Yes, and wicd. [12:39] good point [12:39] however... hehe [12:39] I know of a big "company" of sorts that uses slamd64 ;0 [12:39] in production [12:39] hehe [12:39] Well, a big part of the reason that slackpkg never got added to /extra was because there wasn't a "production" version of it. [12:39] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:39] grah how to do clone that git repo [12:39] Just want to verify, for running a kvm of slack..*on* slack, you guys think it'd be faster to a faster front side bus/ram and a slower proc...or have a faster proc with slower fsb/ram? [12:40] spook: git clone git://github.com/JoshW/slackpkg-slamd64.git [12:40] Dominian: aha! thanks [12:40] been awake too long [12:41] hehe [12:41] Dominian, do you notice that running 64bit is any faster? [12:41] its not working, something about cannot optain needed commit abc701..... [12:41] nille_ (i=1000@c-e462e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] bad jkwood [12:42] Interesting. [12:42] git reset --zomg-hard [12:42] hiptobecubic: on some things yes.. for me... I don't enough "processor" intenstive stuff to notice [12:42] why a reset? [12:42] I didn't do NOTHING [12:42] Dominian, oh. then why run it? [12:42] hiptobecubic: because I can? [12:43] and I've been running Slamd64 before it was slamd64 :P [12:43] WFM [12:43] what? [12:43] Dominian, do you have the same applications available to you? I don't know a lot about it [12:43] hiptobecubic: yep [12:43] i remember reading some nonsense about not being able to run 32 bit apps [12:43] hiptobecubic: and with slamd64 you get 32bit ability.. run and build 32bit apps [12:43] i dont suppose theres a premade package that will make this easier? [12:44] bah.. hogwash.. I run Enemy Territory and its 32bit [12:44] spook: I can push one up somewhere if you want [12:44] Dominian, ah. What apps do you run that are 64bit? [12:44] wait one [12:44] spook: One second. [12:44] Action: spook is running on caffiene [12:44] and only that [12:44] http://github.com/JoshW/slackpkg-slamd64/raw/a9c67e6c10c363f85b108bc0e4872fa8db4cff45/portslackpkg [12:44] Copy and paste that into a file named portslackpkg [12:45] "better to burn out then fade away" : Neil Young. [12:45] chmod +x it [12:45] spook: http://slackadelic.com/files [12:45] wget http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz [12:45] jkwood: thats not how git is meant to work :P [12:45] Then run portslackpkg. [12:45] ahem [12:45] Or use Dominian's. [12:46] jkwood: my package.. has your "/var/lib/" fix in it :P [12:46] heh [12:46] Dominian: Portslackpkg doesn't need the fix :p [12:46] can you increase the fb terminal historyZ [12:46] and I know it works.. no reason to make it hard on the poor guy hehe [12:46] s/Z/\?/ [12:46] Zordrak, i believe in the kernel config when you config the kernel (not sure if any run-time options) [12:47] kk [12:47] um, in your packages Dominian, why does the mirrors file have 12.2 everywhere? [12:48] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:48] It what now? [12:48] It better not. :p [12:48] it has slamd64-12.2 for all the default mirror lines [12:48] Oh, that's a preparatory thing. [12:48] aye [12:49] spook: you have to remember.. these packagges are for the "upcoming' release ;) [12:49] You'll notice that there are also sections for 12.0, 12.1, and -current. [12:49] Dominian: oh. [12:49] I just didn't want to have to mess with it later. =) [12:49] Also, reports of mirrors not working are welcome. [12:49] aye [12:49] and let me know too [12:49] so i can double-check them on the slamd64.com website and update/delete as needed [12:50] Action: spook <3s having local http mirrors of slack and slamd [12:50] I think I sorted out all the ones that are missing trees. [12:50] Yes, this helps tremendously. [12:50] $49.99 for a modem = gay [12:50] Action: jkwood will have them on his file server [12:50] Old_Fogie: seems ldp reckon it requires a source tweak [12:51] thrice`: Mine was $100 with $50 mail-in-rebate. QuitcherComplainin ;) [12:51] jkwood: saves on my bandwidth and on the mirror's bandwidth [12:51] Zordrak, aha I see. Normally I just go with screen and config it that way, but ...some apps don't hook to gpm tho..such as 'mc' :( [12:52] Zordrak, if you find a good link can you 'link me' to it? [12:52] Well, I haven't had either stable internets for my file server, nor a sufficiently large hard drive for my laptop. [12:52] Both will be fixed this week. =) [12:52] Of course, I have to actually install an OS on the file server... [12:52] Old_Fogie: bah.. ldp out of date.. file no longer in src [12:53] building this server for them is sorta a trial run for doing it myself. [12:53] ahhh [12:53] nernel bxootparm [12:53] kernel bootparam [12:53] bbbs (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] how do i logout of x-windows from the shell? [12:54] video=scrollback:xxxK [12:54] bbbs: killall X [12:55] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [12:56] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:02] awesome [13:02] all i did was slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [13:02] with 12.1 [13:02] woot [13:02] I want to do this: mv *_* *.* (replace underscores with dots in all filenames in a dir) [13:03] Zordrak: probably going to have to use find [13:03] any idea how to automagicate it? [13:03] Zordrak: use awk [13:03] hmm.. maybe even an awk&sed job [13:03] damn my dvorak slowness [13:03] awk is automagical [13:03] mindbendr: are you trolling? [13:04] Action: Zordrak is awk-virginal [13:04] spook, no i'm asking seriously [13:04] spook, if could explain, i'd appreciate it [13:04] i need to print out a list of screen commands [13:04] for instance, on centos5 x64 version has got pam i386 packages [13:04] mindbendr: For Slamd64, it's a compatibility thing. [13:04] i can never remember the damned things [13:05] 32-bit libs. [13:05] mindbendr: i386 works on x86_64, but not other way around [13:05] spook, c-a ? [13:05] Zordrak, but if you have got both? [13:05] compat prolly [13:05] Actually... we don't have any 386 packages. [13:06] I think they're all compiled i486. [13:06] whats the one to split the screen in half? [13:06] spook: man screen [13:06] jkwood, my question wasn't distro specific, this is something I see in common [13:06] S [13:06] jkwood: i just did but its all a swirl of letters at the moment [13:06] spook, if you type 'c-a ?' it will give the binds and commands [13:07] aha! [13:07] dive: thanks [13:07] C-a S, for to answer properly. [13:07] np [13:07] i should print out a page with "C-a ?" written on it [13:07] mindbendr: Is centos5 x64 multilib or pure64? [13:07] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [13:08] spook, write it on your monitor with tipex [13:08] what about bluewhite64? :P /me braces for outrage [13:08] jkwood, i assume it must be pure x64 as in http://mirror.centos.org/centos/5/os/x86_64/CentOS/ [13:08] tipex? [13:08] jkwood, there are i386 and x64 packages for PAM both [13:08] correction fluid - that white stuff [13:08] for several packages [13:08] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn2-212-50-134-15.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] dive: excellent stuff to sniff ;) [13:09] BP{k}, naughty naughty (but true) [13:09] sorts out those boring times at work [13:09] old joke: how do tell when an undergraduate has been using the computer? tipex on the vdu... [13:10] well, the difference is that tipex solidify with time while the other one gets more liquid ;) [13:11] Action: dive goes on a tipex hunt [13:11] dive: the way i tell that a freshman has been using a lab computer, its booted into winows [13:11] Yeah, looks like CentOS x86_64 supports multilib. [13:12] jkwood, how does that help if you are running x64 hardware [13:12] other than compiling stuff for i386 [13:13] not everything is avaliable in x86_64 binaries [13:13] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-138-70.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:13] For example, I have Skype on my machine. It's 32-bit only. [13:13] smb.conf has waaaay to many fucking options [13:14] Most large distros that do x86_64 are multilib.. very few are pure64 [13:14] if it would need PAM, wouldn't it use PAM tests as 64bit? [13:14] If I wanted a Java browser plugin, at this point I would have to run 32-bit firefox and java. [13:14] mindbendr: pam is just.. authentication... why would that matter on 32 or 64bit? [13:14] Yes, but other things depend on PAM. [13:14] and adding PAM is trivial [13:14] Some of which may or may not be x86_64. [13:14] its getting everything working with PAM that's not [13:14] Dominian, that's why I'm asking, why would they provide pam packages for both [13:14] compatability [13:15] nille_ (i=1000@c-e462e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Action: spook wants to yell this server into the right configuration [13:18] mindbendr: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9456 [13:18] That's all 32-bit compat stuff on my Slamd64 install. [13:18] I don't directly use any of it. [13:18] bbbs (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: [13:18] wtf is listpkg [13:18] But it's there if I need it. [13:18] http://www.slaxer.com/myscripts/listpkg [13:18] just some shell script doing ls /var/log? [13:19] Yes, I scripted a one-liner. [13:19] I also have http://www.slaxer.com/myscripts/viewpkg and http://www.slaxer.com/myscripts/greppkg [13:19] Dominian: Not sure how much slmad64 I'll get done today [13:19] hehe [13:19] depends on if the last remiinign 2GB of RAM I've got dies like the other 6 [13:19] fred: Hell I don't care.. I'm just happy right now that things are workig. [13:20] Action: fred has 8GB turning up tomorrow \o/ [13:20] fred: <3 your work [13:20] fred: still think we need to get you a "remote" development box... [13:20] fred: So if something is going bad with your stuff you can ssh in and still build packages ;P [13:21] maybe pat would sharsies? [13:21] Yes indeedy. [13:21] I still think I wouldn't trust it unless the hardware went via my house to a colo I trust via a courier I trust :p [13:21] Hmm... we could start a fund... and colocate at Dominian's work... [13:21] fred: bah [13:21] unfortunately, however long I've known someone online, "a colo I trust" doesn't include people I've never met :p [13:21] jkwood: that would work for just building.. wouldn't want to host anything on it.. would only get a 1Mbit line [13:22] (though the courier charges for the via-my-house bit would be kinda a bummer :p ) [13:22] fred: yeah but the co-location would be free ;) [13:22] fred: as I would stick it in as my "employee" hosting perk hehe [13:23] fred: I'm only donating if you guarantee it will be used for this purpose. [13:23] and some light wolf ET [13:25] Well, all work and no play makes fred a dull boy. [13:25] And I can keep an eye on him in ET. [13:25] haha [13:25] If he's screwing around too much, I can always hop on spacetubes and frag him there. That'll show him. [13:26] every bug he fixes earns him 30 minutes ET [13:27] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.241) joined ##slackware. [13:27] is kerberos hard to setup? [13:27] For me? Yes. [13:28] For anyone who's actually used it? Maybe not. [13:28] mindbendr: In the end, I think you'd be better off asking the CentOS folks why they included an i386 pam. I can only conjecture. [13:29] jkwood: I've tried to get you guys on the ET server I help admin.. but noooooo [13:29] for someone who was playing on his netbook instead of paying attention during the lecture where kerberos was vaguely explained, how hard will it be? [13:30] Dominian: I will be thrilled to play ET to your heart's content as soon as my DSL is in. [13:30] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:30] jkwood: awesome [13:30] jkwood: beware.. that its a fun server, but 90% of everyone on ther eis damn good... [13:31] jkwood: Didn't I play against you before when you were on Satellite? [13:31] I have had one(1) place where I could successfully play ET. And that was at McDonald's, where I have to buy food to get one hour's access. [13:31] Yes, yes indeed you did. [13:31] and the only way I could kill you was with a grenade or molotov? [13:31] hahahahaha I remember that [13:31] tried guns.. tried a knife.. tried everything [13:31] greande and molotov was the only way [13:31] I still don't know how I got a frag with 9999 latency. [13:32] haha yeah.. it was a headshot too [13:32] but.. the mod we run has decent anti-lag code in it.. so someone with 15ms ping doesn't completely own someoen that is at like 300ms [13:32] it keeps the field of play pretty even [13:32] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:32] so even i could play? [13:32] spook: yep [13:32] spook: its a public server man. [13:33] its the server my clan runs [13:33] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i'm in australia :P [13:34] fred: Will http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227120 work? [13:34] jkwood, thanks for the explanation [13:35] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.69.247) joined ##slackware. [13:35] No problem. I hope I was fairly accurate. [13:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] how do i make screen look colourful when i ls? [13:36] Good question. [13:37] colourful with yellow and pink flashing everywhere or just the simple colours ? [13:37] oh wow, i just realised that currently i am running 0 windows machine [13:37] as in the colours you get in a login shell from /etc/profile [13:37] Yellow and pink ftw. [13:38] ls --color=auto ? :) [13:38] I can't remember the name of that thing that made your bash look insane, as in with cow colors [13:38] cowsay is so awesome [13:38] Camarade_Tux: That works... Now, how to set it up to do that automatically? [13:38] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [13:39] cowsay + write = infinite fun on multiuser system [13:39] guitarman4 (n=steve@s207-216-242-139.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] hi guys need help [13:39] why is cowsay not in slackware? [13:39] atom_fox: you sure do. [13:39] especially with getting help [13:39] how do I install picasa on slack? because it is .rpm or .deb [13:40] atom_fox: checout slackbuilds.org they have buildscript [13:40] atom_fox: slackbuilds.org [13:40] jkwood, use : alias='ls --color=auto' in a bash's profile [13:40] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] gro.sdliubkcals [13:40] ok thanks [13:41] Camarade_Tux: I have that set up already system-wide. I don't think it reads /etc/profile. [13:41] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: Client Quit [13:41] yay [13:41] that did it [13:41] hmmm [13:41] how to test samba without a windows machine [13:41] spook: 'smbclient' , mount -t cifs [13:42] jkwood, yeah but you can put that in anything equivalent [13:42] which/what/ is test :) [13:43] yay it works [13:43] skatar (n=lupin@host245-109-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[14:51] Old_Fogie: so many forks of Slackware that die ... [14:51] that one was quite neat when it was new though :) [14:51] install on windows without repartitioning or a vm [14:51] well there's a new version out, didnt think it was dead [14:52] YEs it is not dead [14:52] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] fred: yes zipslack was nice that way too ( /me misses zipslack :( [14:52] I still have a 10.2 zipslack running flawlessly on on pc [14:52] awesome :) [14:52] pruonckk (n=mike@firewall-spo-1.intranet.braslink.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] pruonckk (n=mike@firewall-spo-1.intranet.braslink.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:53] Yeah it's only a 2 gig hard drive, not much room heh :) [14:53] Heh, says it works on NTFS. I wonder how. [14:53] ccfreak2k: ntfs read-write works pretty well nowadays [14:53] it'd be nice if they had 'sources' tho, I wouldn't mind learning how that's all done. [14:54] ahhh good ole ##slackware =D [14:54] though, it uses or used the in-kernel ntfs driver [14:54] dead:beef [14:54] crazy:chicken [14:54] it used to make a huge file, make a filesystem on it, then to boot, it mounted it read-write and loopback mounted that file [14:55] ah ok [14:55] which is fine, as the restriction on ntfs writes in the in-kernel driver being stable is "don't change file sizes", which you don't with that loopback-mount-to-huge-file [14:55] nullboy: crazy:chicken: invalid ipv6 address [14:56] so 'in a way' it's kind of like qemu per se' ; where you create a big file that qemu read/writes to then fred? [14:56] ..... [14:56] only in that much... but if you ever say "it's kind of like qemu" without that qualification, I will hurt you. [14:56] it's not qemu [14:57] No I know that, I'm trying to make an example in my head as to the way it works in the file system there so my head can grasp it [14:58] it works like: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=10MB count=100; mke2fs foo; mount -o loop foo /mnt/loop [14:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.27) left irc: "Bye Bye" [14:58] fred: right ok [14:58] Anyone run it lately, how's it 'feel' from a performance standpoint. [14:58] except that mke2fs needs an argument to write to file instead of disk :p [14:59] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:18] http://playslack.sourceforge.net/Install_Slackintosh_On_PS3 [15:18] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] if it was mine i'd use slackware though [15:18] was/were [15:19] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [15:19] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [15:19] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] I will have a PS3 one day, and I will run a "Slackalike" on it. [15:19] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] Figures. [15:20] lol [15:20] There goes cardinal. [15:20] Not just cardinal. [15:20] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] slackadelic too. [15:20] haha [15:20] ugh [15:20] FAIL [15:20] damn colo! [15:20] routing problems at the colo apparently. try tracerouting cardinal.lizella.net and you'll see what I mean. [15:20] Look..ProjectSTFU is still up :P [15:21] DBAmethys1 (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:22] Alan_Hic1s: very nice [15:22] Looks like someone needs to brush up on their STP [15:22] Yeah. [15:25] Action: fred blames fuzzbawl. [15:25] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Anyone here set up icecast? [15:25] Me, listening atm actually [15:25] Nick change: natural_mind -> vbatts [15:25] yes i did on another box that i can not access right now [15:25] argh.. [15:25] ice cast does streaming, right? [15:25] setup icecast that is [15:25] yes [15:25] Yes that is what it does [15:25] I'm looking to replace the ancient shoutcast linux binary [15:26] need to find a replacement camera bag for my D50 :( [15:26] I couldn't quite figure out the config though [15:26] Yuck [15:26] Shoutcast binery. Icecast is shoutcast compatible - and free [15:26] I know [15:26] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) joined ##slackware. [15:26] shoutcast is free too :P [15:26] I have a package - and for ices too (a streaming client) [15:26] Shoutcast is binary only [15:27] i dont need a client [15:27] Action: ccfreak2k 's shellserver has icecast. [15:27] or a package [15:27] just a good howto in configuring [15:27] Read the XML configfile I'd say [15:27] That I did [15:27] Still didn't really work [15:27] Define "really" [15:27] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] could I get a pastebin of your config, with the passwords blanked? [15:28] _chess_ (n=chess@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Nope [15:28] Um..ok [15:28] and by really, I mean..the winamp shoutcast plugin couldn't connect for streaming [15:28] Alan_Hic1s (n=alan@mail.ctsmacon.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:28] I never tried Windows clients [15:28] this isn't a listening client [15:29] this would be the client that streams the signal to the relay..that being icecast [15:29] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:30] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:30] straterra: I mean a Windows _streaming_ client [15:30] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [15:30] aport` (n=aport@74.7.249.121) joined ##slackware. [15:30] yes [15:30] vbatts_ (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [15:31] You should not setup your icecast as a relay if you want a streaming client to connect to it [15:31] err, what? [15:31] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Alan_Hic1s (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Streaming client connects to the server..and multiple listeners to the server [15:31] Alan_Hic1s (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left ##slackware. [15:31] That's how shoutcast works [15:32] A relay connects to a server and relays the audio or video stream, a client connects to a server and streams audio or video [15:32] .. _to_ the server [15:32] err, what? [15:32] Anyway, who got it working and who didnt [15:33] You have servers, clients and relays [15:33] alienBOB, tell us about the known knowns and known unknowns next! [15:33] Owned. [15:33] A server can be a relay too [15:33] lol [15:33] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [15:33] ccfreak2k: There's also unknown knowns and unknown unknowns. [15:33] Dominian_ (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:33] But a relay-only does not accept clients who want to stream to it [15:33] Nick change: Dominian_ -> Dominian [15:34] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] I want a drop in replacement for the shoutcast server [15:34] Wish Slackware would add the Knowm desktop manager [15:34] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Action: Camarade_Tux has never heard of knowm and can't find a link [15:36] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-192.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:36] Camarade_Tux: You have to know where to look. [15:37] So..why can't I see your icecast config? [15:37] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] ffs.. [15:37] got stuck in the toilet for 50mins [15:38] -.- [15:38] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Wish slackware would add the obsecurejuhj3hjkashfa31471248146 desktop manager already [15:38] sounds like a bad trip [15:38] in my house [15:38] lol [15:39] well, openbox could be a nice addition :) [15:39] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Nick change: shatly -> shadghost [15:40] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [15:40] lw0x15: I've warned you about letting straterra come over. [15:40] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [15:40] alienBOB, have you some link to that wm? [15:41] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [15:42] I installed enlightenment 0.17... very good [15:43] Alan_Hicks: lmao [15:43] fluxbox ftw ;P [15:43] I couldnt get openbox to run.. it opens with no statussbar or anything, just a blank screen, and the right click menu [15:43] heh [15:44] the problem with fluxbox is it's terribly ugly, motif looks better [15:44] dios_mio, yeah, exactly :) [15:44] Camarade_Tux, you means is that it? [15:44] does anyone knows any channel for server? I'm just having trouble with setting up gmail with kmail [15:44] #kde [15:45] Camarade_Tux: i dont use fluxbox for its looks.. [15:45] dios_mio, yes :) it does what a wm does, not what a tray or a panel does [15:45] so is that what openbox is about? [15:45] if i had WM for the looks i'd go for KDE [15:45] or gnome [15:45] weird.. [15:45] I like gnome [15:45] fred, you think they know? [15:45] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-82-20.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] so.... let's say hypothetically, that i was trying to bridge eth0 to tap0 on a remote box over ssh. And... hypothetically, after i added eth0 to the bridge, the remote box no longer responded to anything. Is there anything i could do without having physical access to the box? hypothetically speaking? [15:46] lw0x15, openbox is as light and looks much better (I find openbox very sexy), it's also in the same spirit, fluxbox just looks horrible without any good reason [15:46] Cifra (n=if@unaffiliated/cifra) left irc: [15:46] This is all hypothetical, mind you. [15:46] Camarade_Tux: stop hating ;P [15:46] fluxbox whines about the lack of a proper init file... [15:46] dios_mio, my fesktop : http://xs435.xs.to/xs435/09023/woot207.png [15:47] Camarade_Tux, weird [15:47] openbox has xml config files [15:47] One nice thing about flux over openbox is, fluxbox has option to 'not show windows contents on move or resize' and openbox doesn't. And if you got a lousy video card, openbox is almost unusable, imo. [15:47] Oh dear. [15:47] which is totally a bad thing [15:47] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.32.52) joined ##slackware. [15:47] dios_mio, no, light and unencombered :) (correct the last word of my sentence as you wish) [15:47] hello happy slackers [15:48] Old_Fogie, I have the "nv" driver currently so it makes my card completely lousy, openbox has no problems [15:48] hi LnxSlck [15:48] Camarade_Tux: on intel/i810 it's *horrible* :( [15:48] dont know i still prefer fluxbox [15:49] icewm is nice [15:49] dios_mio: yup, just too cumbersome menu editing I find, but boy is that fast (has tiling too ) [15:49] metacity! [15:49] aport`: haha :) [15:49] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.73.166.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:50] you mean it's actually worse than a driver that makes resized images go black ? :D [15:50] kama_ (n=kama@host93-13-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] Old_Fogie, also I'm surprised there's no such option... [15:50] Camarade_Tux: yes really no joke..there's a monsterous "hang" when I resize or move in openbox, it's almost like the box is freezing [15:50] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74cf1d.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [15:50] hi Camarade_Tux [15:51] Old_Fogie, I trust you, that happens to me all the time because of that crappy video driver (which I'm using since last friday and only because I nuked my kernel which makes recompiling kernel modules impossible) [15:51] i should go try openbox now [15:52] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left ##slackware. [15:52] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: [15:52] Camarade_Tux: It's really odd tho, as this pc I'm referring too, can run tvtime and play tv, has dri, can even play 3d games like neverball. But something , well one would think, as 'simple' as resizing a window, almost brings it to a halt. It's very odd. [15:52] aport` (n=aport@74.7.249.121) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:53] I find openbox so similar to fluxbox there's hadly any difference, besides the format for the configs [15:53] Action: Camarade_Tux has been told xserver-1.5 had nice performance improvements and bug fixing, maybe... [15:53] and of course flucbox has some built in things for wallpaper and such [15:53] but the openbox is very pretty interface. I hope they bring back that feature to disable the contents on move/resize. All other window managers I can think of have it. Older openbox's did have it...let's hope. [15:53] fluxbox* [15:54] Old_Fogie, see : http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Image:ObConfBehavior.png [15:54] Old_Fogie: whats different about the interface, it's almost exactly the same last I ran it [15:54] there's actually an option not to update windows on resize [15:55] it also uses the same themes, if you lik learning a new menu structure, then I say go for it [15:55] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [15:55] pip (n=pip@59.174.77.233) joined ##slackware. [15:55] openbox is ridiculous [15:55] I have version 2.0.3 onboard here now, I dont see that option. [15:56] I think you're a few versions back ;) [15:56] I find openbox much quicker than fluxbox [15:56] openbox is awesome, running 3.4 now =p [15:56] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-240.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] openbox here too [15:56] thrice`: I find them so close it's impossible to tell any difference in quickness [15:56] with lxpanel for kicks [15:56] Camarade_Tux: that's an older version of obconf there, that's when it had the option I was reffering too. [15:57] <3 xfce [15:57] openbox uses a weird font.. too small [15:57] Old_Fogie, I posted that before I saw your message ;) [15:57] :D [15:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:57] change it [15:57] well gtg, see you all. [15:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:58] thats part of the theme [15:58] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062139098.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:58] there seems to be much more openbox users than I had thought :) [15:59] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] change for the sake of change if you ask me, ask again next month, it'll change again ;) [15:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: No route to host [15:59] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [15:59] dTd, , how do you change it? [15:59] edit the theme file [16:00] this is really primitive [16:00] kukukk (n=dvorak@78.96.87.209) joined ##slackware. [16:01] kukukk (n=dvorak@78.96.87.209) left ##slackware ("Sic Transit Gloria Mundi"). [16:01] also in .config/openbox/rc.xml there are some defaults [16:01] kukukk (n=dvorak@78.96.87.209) joined ##slackware. [16:01] I imagine in obconfig there's some options [16:02] I don't have it installed anymore or I'd start it and look ;) [16:02] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@68-186-203-234.static.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] kukukk (n=dvorak@78.96.87.209) left ##slackware ("Sic Transit Gloria Mundi"). [16:03] lerkur (n=mstephen@75.35.230.5) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Hello there, can I get some quick help? [16:03] shoot [16:03] lerkur, do you want to ask a question? [16:03] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [16:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-240.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] he already did xD [16:04] hi all [16:04] i'm trying to mount a dying NTFS drive to slackware 12.2 [16:04] Action: Camarade_Tux waves [16:04] and its comming up saying that its the wrong file system type [16:04] how are you trying to mount it? [16:04] lerkur, what are you using to mount ? standard mount or ntfs-3G ? [16:04] too slow =/ [16:05] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash (i created the flash dir) [16:05] yeah, i'm not very proficient in linux and slack, so you'll have to bare with me :( [16:05] hmmm, 3.0 isn't being developed anymore :( [16:05] I can't believe sandman1 contributed to a package [16:05] samba, rather... [16:05] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-57.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] lerkur: well you could specify -t auto [16:05] see if it'll auto-figure out the filesystem [16:06] gives me the same thing, "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,...." [16:06] lerkur: do a "mount | grep flash" and paste the output [16:06] uh, nothing comes out :| [16:07] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) left irc: "That's a great computer you have there; have you considered how it would work as a BSD machine?" [16:07] nothing will come out [16:07] cause its not mounted [16:07] heh [16:07] lerkur: are you sure its /dev/sda1 ? usually thats a hard drive [16:07] oh, bleh... i didn't read that part :) [16:07] lerkur: try /dev/sda by itself.. [16:07] mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash [16:07] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) joined ##slackware. [16:07] fdisk -l /dev/sda =p [16:07] fdisk -l shows just he one drive i have hooked up at /dev/sda1 [16:07] slack should be able to auto detect it as ntfs [16:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] Dominian: mount /dev/sda /mnt/flash - i tired this [16:07] didn't work [16:08] however, if the drive is bad.. the tile system is probably corrupt [16:08] s/tile/file [16:08] yeah, the drive is daying :( [16:08] lerkur, you could try to mount with ntfs-3g instead, it may report better error messages : ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash [16:08] you can't mount the drive as flash [16:08] *dying [16:08] you don't need kernel support for ntfs is you're using the fuse driver right? [16:08] you mount the partition [16:08] then I'd say you're SOL [16:08] how do you embed conky in your background? [16:08] drive: /dev/sda partition: /dev/sda1 [16:08] Necos, right [16:08] TwinReverb: he's not mounting it as flash /mnt/flash is just the damn directory he's mounting it to [16:08] now you can format a drive as a filesystem rather than a partition, true, but most likely that's not the case [16:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-161-226.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] TwinReverb, several solutions, one is 'background true' iirc [16:08] wait, so run this : ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash [16:08] no the emphasis was that he's mounting the drive [16:08] i wonder if mount will use ntfs-3g if kernel support is unavailable [16:09] shouldn't he be mounting the partition / filesystem, not the drive? [16:09] Necos, no it won't [16:09] i.e. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash -t whatever -o whatever ? [16:09] i just need to pull some directories off of the drive [16:09] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash -t ntfs-3g works too [16:09] no lazy way of getting the fuse driver to load :( [16:09] btw, i'm running this from the install CD -___- [16:10] hmm, actually it may automatically try ntfs-3g now, the change would be quite recent [16:10] lerkur, he :p [16:10] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-240.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] wah [16:10] wha? [16:10] Camarade_Tux: not in slack 12.1 tho =p [16:10] you can use installpkg to get the additional packages ;) [16:10] > JUST ON CD [16:11] will installpkg get from itnerwubs and store in flash mem? [16:11] Necos, not in 12.1 but in 12.2 it's a _possibility_ [16:11] dosn't it need a place to write to? [16:11] lerkur, it will use ram [16:11] it's virtual [16:11] okey [16:12] and it won't download it but if you have the files on the cd, it will work :) [16:12] butts, i couldnt sleep [16:12] thanks for the help so far, lemme see if a friend is in who can hlep me [16:13] spook, 5am ? [16:13] 6 [16:13] and ntfs-3g doesnt try to mount auto [16:13] it will use the read-only ntfs support by default [16:14] at least from commandline [16:14] I don't know on which distro I saw that behaviour, I was with a friend and we were both surprised [16:14] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.186.140) joined ##slackware. [16:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host185-73-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:14] hmm, I think that was slax [16:14] slax was essentially slackware live :P [16:15] Action: Camarade_Tux should publish his livecd maker, dead easy to use [16:16] lerkur (n=mstephen@75.35.230.5) left irc: "Leaving." [16:17] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [16:17] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:19] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.33) joined ##slackware. [16:19] is slackpkg smart enough to realise it shouldn't replace my qt-4.x from testing/ with qt-3.x from slackware/l/ ? [16:20] fred: yes. [16:20] you can also blacklist packages [16:22] fred: put TESTING at a higher priority in slackpkg.conf [16:22] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:22] but perhaps easier to blacklist [16:23] thanks [16:23] Action: fred also has a 'qt4-bloated' package lying around now :) [16:24] hehe [16:24] we're starting to develop a neat little package manager [16:24] Action: TwinReverb SO wants a toshiba laptop with the slackware background skin to the lid [16:25] spook: we've had a neat little package manager for years :p [16:25] I've got a bunch of files that I barely access, and I've had them on my hdd for years without touching them much. Is there a tool to "move them around" a little bit, or do whatever's necessary to keep the data reliable? [16:25] i've been thinking about some kind of enhancement to slackbuilds.org packages [16:26] like, a recommended build order included with the slackbuild [16:26] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [16:27] anyone have an ATI video card who does NOT use the ati binary drivers? [16:27] spook: Read the README files. Problem solved. [16:28] optional meta data in a standard format, that package managers could put to use. [16:28] I have a T42 laptop where I use the radeon driver of X.Org [16:28] OSS ati works quite well [16:28] Alan_Hicks: well, yeah. [16:28] spook we do not and will not support package managers otehr than Slackware's [16:29] you all make very valid points [16:29] i guess i'm very tired. it seems to make sense in my head [16:29] It does. For other distros [16:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-031-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] Yeah well, rpm made sense in some one's head at one point in time too. [16:30] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-71-33.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:30] If all maintainers voluntarily format their READMEs I do not care, but I will never enforce it [16:30] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-71-33.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:30] yeah, i was never suggesting that it mandatory [16:30] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:30] Does SBo care if people include slack-required and slack-suggests (slapt-get) files? [16:30] like the slackbuild for fusion-icon has a build order [16:30] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:30] spook: I understand what you mean - there should be room for improvements/extensions to almost anything, as long as the idea gets vetted and accepted with the owners properly [16:30] rpm makes sense till you use it [16:31] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [16:32] i wish that some of the dependancies for slackbuild packages were better documented [16:32] ... such as? [16:32] there is possible that my Compaq Deskpro with PII 350MHz cannot work with Atheros WiFi PCI Card ? [16:32] too tired to remember, but there were a few that i tried to build and had to hunt down and build the other packages it wanted [16:32] why? [16:33] I've found that the notes included in the slackbuild.org web page for each package are almost always correct, clear, and easy to understand ... [16:33] without them being in the readme [16:33] rk4n3: more than clear i'd say [16:33] lol [16:33] alienBOB, does it give good performance? [16:33] i guess i just picked like the 1 or 2 unlucky packages [16:33] spook: well if you run into one of them, please let us know. [16:33] ... but, I have found myself wondering if a more structured format than just comments on the web page wouldn't be good [16:34] I _just_ can't run a compositing window manager [16:34] *HOWEVER* note we do not list 'dependencies' that are part of slackware. [16:34] i can't stand compiz [16:34] BP{k}: yeah i always would. [16:34] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] i'm thinking i can deal without that :D [16:34] Action: fred hugs kwin [16:34] Action: TwinReverb is still laptop shopping [16:34] Action: fred should build a more recent kde4 [16:34] Action: fred hides from thrice` [16:34] heh [16:34] Action: TwinReverb hugs fred thinking he meant to hug him ... :S [16:34] :( [16:34] BP{k}: well i wouldnt be able to build the deps it needed if they were part of slackware. [16:35] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] TwinReverb: KDE4.2 does all that compiz stuff out of the box (not using compiz... it's own implementation luckily) - if your hardware supports it. It can be switched off though [16:35] TwinReverb: you are putting too much thought into this [16:35] IMPULSE BUY [16:35] spook: You do realize that anything on slackbuilds.org could possibly have other deps..t hey have those deps because.. well they aren't in Slackware to begin with [16:35] [ in bed ] [16:35] Action: BP{k} is tempting to download and compile kde4 just for shit and giggles [16:35] godmachine81 (n=g0d@173-16-101-38.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] s/tempting/tempted/ [16:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:36] BP{k}: I still hope Pat will build the KDE4.2 RC1 packages - the RC1 will be released tomorrow [16:36] Dominian: i'm saying that i managed to find what it wanted and build it, so the deps it needed werent in slackware. otherwise i wouldnt have found the deps in slackbuilds for it [16:36] er.. ok [16:36] alienBOB, thanks, i'll be sure to switch it all off then [16:36] spook, lol [16:37] hey OCD can be good at times. don't judge me :P [16:37] IMPULSE BUY IMPULSE BUY IMPULSE BUY [16:37] TwinReverb: X61s [16:38] i need something refurbished, sory [16:38] er sorry [16:38] IMPULSE BUY IMPULSE BUY IMPULSE BUY [16:38] sup TwinReverb [16:38] Action: TwinReverb is browsing toshiba's clearance (i.e. refurbished) area [16:38] hello Dominian [16:38] dtanner, hey bro long time no see :D [16:38] i need a kvm switch [16:38] alienBOB: that would be extremly nice :) [16:38] TwinReverb: buy an eeePc [16:38] no thanks, eeepc's won't have enough muscle [16:38] do they make like a usb device, that has kvm plugs? [16:39] btw, if x-server >=1.5 packages are built, could someone put them somewhere on the net (I swear I won't complain about anything), thanks :) [16:39] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [16:39] laptops arent meant to have muscle [16:39] spook yes. check newegg [16:39] spook: my sentiments exactly [16:39] spook, but sometimes you need them to [16:39] no you dont [16:39] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] yep TwinReverb, it has been a year or so since i have been on a computer at all , much less irc. aren't you NeoSadist ? [16:39] well I can't have a desktop, so I need my laptop not to be too weak [16:40] well let's say it this way: i don't want a machine without decent processing power. i don't want a desktop either. something in the middle of the two should work good especially if it has frequency scaling (i.e. speedstep and family) [16:40] dtanner, yes [16:40] [ in bed ] [16:40] Action: TwinReverb stabs spook :P [16:40] TwinReverb: Toshiba makes some damn good laptops [16:40] [ in bed ] [16:40] lol [16:40] hehe [16:40] Action: _chess_ loves Thinkpads [16:40] Action: TwinReverb cuts spook's head off [16:40] thats what she said [ in bed ] [16:40] dtanner, i know i'm using one right now [16:40] rofl [16:41] thinkpads are the best laptops [16:41] best != expensive in my case [16:41] they make some pretty small/light thinkpads now, don't they ? [16:41] I like Thinkpads and MacBooks. [16:41] they are built like tanks [16:41] i like dell business laptops [16:42] i have a t22 and t23, and in 15 years they will still be working [16:42] <_chess_> my x40 is still trucking along. I just replaced the hard drive with a compact flash card hehe and it works great [16:42] Action: TwinReverb wants dual core (1.5ghz or faster but dual core), more than 2MB L2 cache, more than 1GB system RAM, more than 1024x768 resolution, and 160GB hard drive or higher [16:42] i would like macbooks if their keyboard didn't cause carpal tunnel within 5 minutes [16:42] <_chess_> ide -> CF connector [16:42] Action: TwinReverb stabs steve jobs with a macbook air [16:43] TwinReverb: you'll get used to any keyboard [16:43] Action: TwinReverb stabs spook with a dvorak [16:43] [ in bed ] [16:43] LMFAO [16:44] Action: TwinReverb changes spook's name to InBed [16:44] [ in bed ] [16:44] last week I had to use a laptop (it had powerpoint :'( ), I had to stand up within ten seconds of use because the keyboard hurt me too much and I feared for my hands [16:45] [ in bed ] [16:45] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.69.247) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] I just wish someone would make a laptop with the keyboard first, all the way to the front edge, and the mousepad above it (up by the screen) ... I had an old Toshiba like that, and I absolutely loved the typing feel - can't stand palming/thumbing the mousepad all the time [16:45] dominian: see what you started :() [16:45] rk4n3: just get a nipplemouse [16:45] alisonken1: [ in bed ] [16:46] just get a nipple or two [ in bed ] [16:46] they're pretty good. I got used to it in about 5 minutes [16:46] (nipplemouse, the kind that gets bigger when you touch it ?) [16:46] fred: meh - they still put stupid palm-rests below the keyboard - I want it right up to the front edge [16:46] indeed they do [16:46] theres an xkcd about the touchpoint (tm) [16:46] clit mouse [16:47] on macs, you use two fingers :) [16:47] the only clit you'll get [ in bed ] [16:47] haha [16:47] Action: dive licks his T42 [16:47] ... [16:47] [ in bed ] [16:48] sleeeeep time [ in bed ] [16:48] must be time for breakfast eh? [16:48] [ in bed ] ? [16:49] Action: dive throws a brick at TwinReverb *bonk* [16:49] Action: fred sighs [16:49] in before the predictable response to that. [16:49] dodges [ in bed ] [16:50] I just ate lunch and I still feel hungry [16:50] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:50] How to check a CD disc md5 ? [16:50] cormoran (n=frank@79.84.22.96) joined ##slackware. [16:50] dtanner: did you have chinese ? [16:50] yup [16:50] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] yeah gonna raid the fridge i think while this cygwin is installing [16:50] sure did rk4n3 [16:50] dtanner: well, that explains it then ;) [16:50] uh huh [16:50] =) [16:51] Action: fred stabs qt [16:51] build faster damnit [16:51] no chance [16:51] Action: dtanner slices qt's head off [16:51] Action: TwinReverb wishes he could play the military card and have someone look this up for him [16:51] Action: fred stabs dtanner [16:51] 0..o [16:52] Action: dtanner dodges the blade [16:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201008248253.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] How to check a burned CD disc's md5 ? [16:52] Action: fred notes "stabs" not "stabs at" [16:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:52] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [16:53] Action: TwinReverb notes dtanner was wearing kevla [16:53] r [16:54] dangit i wish the intel core 2 duo low voltage models weren't so dang expensive. they'd be so awesome if it wasn't for that [16:54] pip: cat /dev/ | md5sum ? [16:54] Hi, sorry to ask here a dumb question (nobody answers on #cmake and after spending more than an hour on the doc...). What parameter should I pass to cmake (or make) to link staticaly a binary (with libc for example) ? [16:54] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] cormoran: static usually means it doesn't link to a library, all routines are pulled into the finished binary [16:55] alisonken1, how about this command : dd /dev/cdrom | md5sum [16:55] ouch fred, that hurt [16:55] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:56] pip: not sure if dd would be the appropriate command for that, but you cat try, just make sure that the dd output goes to stdout (or the option for sending to stdout) [16:56] dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum <--this works _because_ the dd command defaults to standard output if you don't tell it where else to go [16:56] and it would be "dd if=/dev/cdrom ..." [16:56] _and_ because 'md5sum' defaults to standard input if you don't give it a filename to work with ... [16:56] alisonken: Yes, sorry, I don't wan't to link, I wan't a non dynamic executable (it is for adding a command to a busybox system) [16:57] have a quick browse at the busybox Makefile and see what the option is - it would be something like "STATIC" as a gcc option [16:58] oooh i found a LV core 2 duo that's not insanely priced! [16:58] cormoran: if you're adding a command to busybox, have a look at the other packages that are compiled in and see what gcc/g++ options they use [16:58] alisonken1: yes.. I see what I started. [16:59] I know the gcc option: gcc -static -o test test.c ... [16:59] alisonken1---> http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/CdromMd5sumsAfterBurning [17:00] cormoran: cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="-static" [17:01] thanks fred, I have tried this command, but I am not sure I didn't made a mistyping [17:01] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [17:01] straterr2 (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] pip: maybe this 'dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum' will not work right because of trailing data , try this -> 'dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 | head -c 727488512 | md5sum -' where 727488512 = the size of the iso. [17:02] fred: it doesn't work ... [17:02] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:02] Nick change: straterr2 -> straterra [17:02] hello straterra [17:02] Hello [17:02] pip: interesting, especially the part about the higher-speed cdrom drives [17:02] dtanner, You are damn right : ) [17:03] dtanner: I am not sure, but did you burn your CD with the "-pad" option ? [17:03] dtanner: per pips link, it would be "dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s ISO_image` | md5sum" [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-240.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] allend (n=allend@210-84-29-247.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:08] pip: dd if=/dev/cdrom0 | md5sum works [17:08] I just tried it. [17:08] that makes me ask a question [17:09] would an mp5sum of a ISO file be the same as the md5sum of the same ISO burned to a CDR ? [17:09] spook__ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Pig_Pen: it is the same [17:10] Pig_Pen: are you writing some cdrecord frontend ? [17:10] ok, i always ran md5sum on the ISO file, i never did the burned ISO to compare [17:10] no, just curious [17:11] Pig_Pen: Is your ISO made by mkisofs ? [17:12] oxon__ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] if i was an evil genius code monkey i would make a lightweight gtk frontend that did not require any gnome libraries (only gtk & burning back ends) to compete with k3b [17:13] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:13] i was not refering to any specific ISO or project i was working on, just curious about running md5sum & comaring the burned image to the ISO file [17:14] Pig_Pen: Try http://download.tuxfamily.org/sallu/utilities/simpleburn-1.0.0.tar.bz2 (you only need GTK+, cdrecord and cmake for the build) [17:15] cool! thanks, i will give it a spin [17:15] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) joined ##slackware. [17:17] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:17] I was looking for such a frontend too, and finally wrote it. It works well on my Slackware 12.2 (if you wan't the package ...) [17:18] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) joined ##slackware. [17:20] i will have to reboot to another slackware install, i hacked this one up so it wont build in what i have booted at the moment, (no xorg) [17:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] spook__ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:23] i dual boot two slackware installs, one is a stock slackware and another is one i can tweak on [17:24] Pig_Pen: here is the package: http://download.tuxfamily.org/sallu/slackware-12.2/simpleburn-1.0.0-i486-lim.tgz [17:24] two slackware installs makes it easy to undo any fatal mistakes [17:24] Pig_Pen: I do so too [17:24] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [17:25] and a screenshot: http://sallu.tuxfamily.org [17:25] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.32.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] Pig_Pen: look at xfburn (gtk burning frontend... not even to cdrtools but to libburn) [17:27] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [17:27] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] that looks good [17:29] simNIX (n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: "Ik ga weg" [17:29] i heard of that app alienBOB [17:30] xfburn works great. [17:32] allend (n=allend@210-84-29-247.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] does xfburn need xfce ? [17:36] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] no it requires libburn, and libisofs, which are also on SBo [17:36] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] Nick change: pireau_ -> pireau [17:39] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:41] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) joined ##slackware. [17:42] If chop: xfburn needs libxfcegui ! [17:44] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] so my work wasn't a waste of time. I have no KDE no GNOME and no XFCE on my computer; just Metacity (with all features disabled), ROX-Filer an LxPanel. It is very fast. [17:45] cormoran: I do not have libxfcegui installed, or anything xfce for that matter, and xfburn works fine for me. [17:45] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] Action: kitche thinks it's 1997 soon [17:47] also Amazon.com case got thrown out against New York State [17:47] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:48] chopp: I tried compilation from Sbo (sbopkg) and configure stoped claiming libxfcegui. [17:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.33) left irc: "Bye Bye" [17:49] But libburn looks very intersting (I am looking at the API) [17:50] actually now that I look, I used alienBOB's xfburn [17:50] holdmypocket (n=holdmypo@vpn.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xfburn/ [17:51] ok. [17:51] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] kitche: the tax man cometh ;/ [17:52] gnubien: meh New York state will have the highest taxes in the country before it was california [17:53] can someone give me an idea of how to get my wallpaper in fluxbox to show up on each of my screens (im in dualhead mode) rather than stretch across them? [17:54] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) joined ##slackware. [17:54] make a double-width image that contains the same one pasted twice and use that as your wallpaper? ¬_¬ [17:54] kitche: yep, cash strapped states might jump on the band wagon [17:54] fred: maybe, which theme do you use in kde? [17:54] yeah i could do that, just figured there must be a way to do it proper [17:55] oops [17:55] holdmypocket: maybe, which theme do you use in kde? [17:55] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) left ##slackware. [17:55] How to resize a partition, say the / partition ? [17:56] holdmypocket: oops again, in fluxbox, that is [17:56] fluxbox <3 [17:56] FTW [17:56] gnubien: bora_black [17:56] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [17:56] chopp: I tried to compile Alien package, and got the same error. Maybe, there is a bug in the configure script. [17:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:56] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [17:56] i use carp [17:57] holdmypocket: ok, use slocate to find the bora_black file and do a tail on the file; i changed my theme file to use black instead of gray32 [17:58] holdmypocket: dunno about wallpaper, asked in #fluxbox? [17:58] gnubien: yeah i'll try there next.. i wasn't sure if it was really a fluxbox setting or not [17:59] fred, you think they know? [17:59] right now my wallpaper picture stretches across the two screens and looks funny [17:59] How to resize a partition of reiserfs ? [17:59] If you got an idea please inform me [17:59] Action: pip goes for food [18:00] holdmypocket: some fluxbox guru's hang out in #fluxbox usually about 16 hours from now [18:00] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] tribeca_ (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [18:01] <_chess_> holdmypocket: I believe nitrogen will do what you need [18:01] holdmypocket: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ has a /doc's section [18:01] <_chess_> there is a script at SBo [18:01] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] cormoran: can't help you then. I built it quite awhile ago, and I do know there is no xfce on this box, and xfburn works. [18:02] pip: download a partedmagic ISO image or use the Slackware bootable install CD (which has parted in the installer) [18:02] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:02] chopp: I am sure you are right [18:02] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:02] chopp: I think the configure script needs a patch. [18:03] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.119.11) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [18:03] nooper_ (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Since xfburn is part of xfce-goodies I suspect it likes to see XFCE when it's sources are configured [18:04] But perhaps the binary does not care if it can not find the xfce libs [18:05] alienBOB: I think so. [18:05] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Here it links dynamically against several xfce libs [18:05] really there's not much of XFCE xfburn needs [18:05] configenv libexo libgui [18:06] that's it from xfce [18:07] libthunar-vfs libxfcegui4 libxfce4util and libexo too, for the binary here [18:08] alienBOB: but I am afraid, it looks like You are wrong: xfburn (http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xfburn/ package): no such file or directory (I let you guess: libxfcegui4.so.4) [18:08] but I like using k3b anyways no matter what DE or WM I use [18:08] alienBOB: sorry, You have seen it [18:09] I am wrong where cormoran [18:09] alienBOB: You are not wrong anymore: xfburn is linked with libxfcegui4.so.4 and libxfce4util.so.4 [18:11] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:25] security reasons was the old reason think the new reason is to easy to lock yourself out [18:25] err, what? [18:26] straterra: think Pat kept locking himself out of the system a few times when messing with pam I think [18:26] o.O [18:27] ahh [18:27] and ive done that before myself :-o [18:27] I use pam now but it comes with the Operating system :) [18:29] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [18:29] alienBOB, I mean how to resize a running linux system's partitions, like root partition [18:29] sounds impossible [18:30] nothing is impossible [18:30] Hah [18:30] If you are using LVM on your root partition it is very well possible [18:31] No, I don't use LVM [18:31] If not, you can only hope that there is a lot of unused space directly behind your root partition [18:31] he said running system too :) [18:32] No, there is some free space in the / partition, so I want to give it to another partition [18:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] You can not migrate the root partition to another partition on a live system as far as I know, feel free to prove me wrong though [18:33] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [18:34] any one knows if i can for example..install slack on virtualbox and then modify it the way i want with the packages i want [18:34] and then somehow install it on real hdd ? [18:34] alienBOB: copy, shut down all services, edit fstab, pivot_root ? [18:34] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] lw0x15: Certainyl. [18:35] fred: he wants it on a running system (ie not shutting down services) [18:35] (and watch hal get uber-confused) [18:35] bah :p [18:35] what happened to keeping it simple? backup, resize, restore [18:35] Linux, unlike Windows, really doesn't give a hoot what it's running on. [18:35] jkwood: what is it called as ? cause i want to google [18:35] Just make sure you have drivers for your real hardware included. [18:35] and cant figure out what to google :| [18:36] Well, you could dd everything over. [18:36] jkwood: with the fedoras and ubuntus it is different.... but Slackware _really_ does not give a hoot what it runs on [18:36] A slightly more sane method would involve rsync. [18:36] You pretty much copy everything over and install a bootloader. [18:36] alienBOB, No no, it doesn't have to be running, I can boot a live CD and do that job, can I ? [18:36] this 50 inch tv just does not look good as a monitor [18:36] alienBOB: I knew I should have said Slackware rather than Linux. ;) [18:37] I suggested that pir and you screamed you wanted to resize root on a running system [18:37] lotec: You have the wrong 50 inch tv then. [18:37] s/pir/pip/ [18:37] jkwood it is a 50inch lcd running off of hdmi [18:38] might just be because it is to close [18:38] Yeah, you'll be wanting to back off. [18:38] so yea think a foot and a half is to close huh? [18:38] Does anybody have a ATI USB TV Wonder 600 running in slackware 12.2? It looks like the proper module is loaded, but tvtime has no signal detected... [18:38] Oh... lcd? I know that our 52-inch plasma makes KDE 4 look like "the future". [18:39] jkwood amost bought a 60 inch plasma but i got scared and with with the 52inch lcd. [18:40] nathanbw: was the correct tuner detected: dmesg | grep bttv [18:40] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [18:40] LCDs are fine as small monitors, but I don't think I'd buy one bigger than 27" or so. [18:41] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:42] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.163.163.67) joined ##slackware. [18:42] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:45] anyone using compiz here ? [18:46] i noticed there a few different projects that merged or whatever with compiz , is any one better than the other or will jus tthe original compiz do the 3d rendering as good as the others ? [18:46] clavius, dmesg reported the correct tuner detected. lsmod shows em28xx (reported as being the needed module here: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/131790-ati-tv-wonder-600-usb-2-0-0438-b002-linux-2-6-26-kernel.html ) [18:46] You'll be wanting compiz fusion. [18:46] jkwood: thanks [18:46] It's included with Slack, I don't remember what version. [18:47] clavius, just saw dmesg report an error while looking for the firmware. I need to download the firmware and install it [18:47] You should be able to use the Slackware build scripts with a newer compiz. [18:48] There's a bunch of supporting stuff at SBo for it as well. Just search for "compiz". [18:50] hmm, if the a "right" way to edit rc.inet1.conf to get multiple ips per interface? [18:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.241) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] Depends if rc.inet1 supports aliases. [18:53] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [18:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-256250.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:00] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [19:01] ccfreak2k, well i don't see anything in here...but maybe there is some trick i'm missing :/ [19:01] has anyone tried installing slackware with ext4? [19:01] ezrafree: ping [19:01] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] edman007, if all else fails, you could always just cook up a custom script to add the additional addresses. [19:03] ccfreak2k, yea...i think thats what is going to happen :( [19:04] edman007: it is in rc.inet1.conf as an example... [19:04] #IFNAME[4]="eth0:1" # Set up an IP alias. [19:04] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:05] ahh...i think that comment was lost through the ages :P [19:05] For future reference: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/slackware-12.2/rc.inet1.conf [19:05] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:30] anyone using VirtualBox ? [19:30] Not at the moment. [19:31] yep [19:31] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:31] i want to install virtualbox [19:32] but it seems i need few more packages [19:32] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [19:32] so really cba lol [19:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:37] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [19:50] holdmypocket (n=holdmypo@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:51] i'm really struggling to get my bluetooth keyboard working in slackware [19:51] and to top it off, the ubuntu forums are down so google isn't of any help [19:51] I should slap you. [19:51] there are other forums beside ubuntu forums :) [19:52] Shrp_, google only seems to direct linux problems to the ubuntu forums [19:52] linuxforums.org [19:52] then you can personally give them a visit [19:52] another problems is that the bluetooth setup in slackware isn't the same as in other distros [19:52] linuxquestions.org [19:53] hence you shouldnt be looking in ubuntu forums to begin with :P [19:53] *snicker* [19:53] jkwood, why do you want to slap me? [19:53] Shrp_, i tend to just google errors/etc and ubuntu forums usually come up first [19:53] isatto (n=isatto@c9154906.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:54] yes you can try adding "Slackware" at the end of your query to get more slackware related results [19:54] very little comes up for slackware regarding bluetooth issues [19:54] Oh, I think you know. [19:54] looking at ubuntu forums? [19:55] search terms site:linuxquestions.org [19:55] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Optionally: search terms -site:ubuntuforums.org [19:56] It will discard results on ubuntuforums.org [19:56] ubuntu is a plague in that regard [19:56] their forums are littered with pretty much every linux related question and most search results do lead their.. [19:56] jkwood: is your ipv6 coming from your linode/tunnelbroker? [19:56] but you often find solutions in their forums also :) [19:56] That's what they get for being popular. [19:57] as i stated before, part of the problem is that most google links i find aren't slackware oriented, or aren't for the latest version [19:57] but knowing slackware, most of those answers are easily transferable [19:57] dTd, no they're not [19:58] at least not with the case of bluetooth when they use different utilities [19:58] oh, utilities, what are those? ;) [19:59] I know nothing of bluetooth, sorry, I removed the bluez packages as well [19:59] a lot of the guides suggest editing /etc/bluetooth/pin and putting in the pin there, but slackware (12.2) uses /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default [19:59] ok [19:59] chopp: Yep. [20:00] Someday, I may even fix my rdns for that. [20:01] jkwood: allright, just curious as I'm trying to do the same. Do you then have to use a different freenode/oftc connection? [20:01] /connect irc.ipv6.{freenode|oftc}.net [20:01] jkwood: thanks. [20:02] No problem. =) [20:02] isatto (n=isatto@c9154906.virtua.com.br) left ##slackware. [20:03] bahh, now amaroks wiki lookups have stopped working [20:03] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:04] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [20:06] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:09] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.122) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Does the default installation includes any app for web cam shots? [20:14] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.186.140) left irc: "Leaving" [20:14] asarch, you're a cam girl(man?) now? [20:15] No, I am not [20:15] aoliveira (n=aoliveir@20151098183.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:15] aoliveira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [20:15] But my cousin is [20:15] :-P [20:16] lol [20:18] anyways, what type of thing do you need? something that can play any V4L stuff? (i think mplayer can) [20:20] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) joined ##slackware. [20:21] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:21] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) joined ##slackware. [20:21] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:21] Just to take some photos [20:21] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) joined ##slackware. [20:22] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [20:23] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:25] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.16.149) joined ##slackware. [20:31] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [20:31] SlickReri (n=root@189.12.205.147) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] ngp667 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:34] ...so how many of you gentlemen have setup bluetooth keyboards in slackware? [20:38] hcfd (n=hacfed@host86-147-59-33.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] Fenix-Dark: did you try this http://klausler.com/msbtkb-linux.html [20:40] Shrp_, didnt work [20:40] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.204) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] you tried this already? [20:40] and i believe that stuff is old [20:40] yup [20:41] its not "old" its for kernel 2.6 [20:42] nvm [20:42] thinking of a different guide [20:43] so are you guy all excited about windows 7 ? [20:43] YES!!! [20:43] Soul_keeper, i will be, after i get my damn bluetooth keyboard working in linux [20:43] OMFG yes o.O [20:43] Not me I'm going with Mohave, [20:43] i am over excited. i cant wait to install yet another piece of shit os on a computer [20:43] lol, seems to be the ony topic everyone is discussing on irc ... makes me sick [20:43] Action: Old_Fogie humss 'mohave....' [20:44] lol@lotec [20:44] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] mohave was vista, so apparently those several hundred million spent in marketing are now obselete [20:45] windows 7 will come and become as obsolete as windows 3.1 and i will never buy or use it, Linux all the way baby! [20:45] why not push windows????? it keeps me employed fixing it [20:45] they got plenty more where that "several" came from [20:45] I'm in no rush to give a vendor money time and time again for $FAIl. I'll try it, evaluate it, go from there. Some things "sound" nice..but I've heard that *way* too many times before. I'm not skeptical, actually hopeful..but I'm going to let my eyes and ears be the final judge. [20:45] yeah MS has 20 billion in cash just sitting around [20:46] maybe the government should make microsoft bail out the big 3 auto makers [20:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Pig_Pen, ms isn't that wealthy [20:46] they could afford to buy all 3 right now [20:46] apparently apple has more cash at hand than ms [20:46] everyday a windows makes another os. it makes me more cash. so let them build it i still have alot of years to go and i want a new truck to [20:46] Soul_keeper, thats cause they're woth nothing [20:46] then you will have Ford Focus coming preinstalled with Vista [20:46] Pig_Pen, you didn't hear? The "Porn" industry said they need a bail out. [20:47] and Zune support [20:47] mac's new os is suposed to be much nicer. and alot smaller [20:47] the porn industry needs bailed out of their own pool of smegma :D [20:47] and Zune support <-- Great another gadget for "yo yo's" to use and distract themeselves while driveing lol. [20:47] yep [20:48] Pig_Pen, seriously..Larry Ellis (I think that's his name) of Hustler's going to D.C. [20:48] they already got ipod [20:48] of Ellison.. [20:48] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] one of the two [20:48] Fenix-Dark, they better not be worth nothing, after injecting those 10's of billions of my tax payer money into them :) [20:48] I had XP on my unit that I got over xmas for 1-2 days. After two days of running windows update, defrag, malware scans, updating anti-virus. I formatted the drive and put Slackware 12.2 on the unit. Slack kicks winder's butt. [20:48] Larry Flint owns Hustler, Larry Ellison owns Oracle [20:48] Pig_Pen, now you're scaring me :) [20:49] Wow, you knew the names tho, heh gj [20:49] they are interchangable, when you need a database of porn call larry ellison, when you just want a prono magazine call flint [20:49] hahah [20:49] heh [20:50] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:50] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] hitest, yea we have XP on our netbooks, but have only used it once. Never even activated the antivirus trial on it from mcafee [20:52] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Apples have meant trouble since eden." [20:53] hitest, Slack is much better on our netbooks, full screen any app, multiple desktops, none of that "security" stuff like XP..pure win! win! all around. [20:53] Old_Fogie, so why did you get the ones with Windows on them? [20:54] they were sold out of the linux ones [20:54] from online vendors I was looking at. [20:54] then basically, Walmart dropped it's pants on the price so I nabbed 10 of them, but all with windows on it. [20:55] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] my netbook with slack on it has a 100 day uptime :) [20:56] Soul_keeper, have you compiled anything on yours? I haven't yet, been meaning too tho. [20:56] hey my network devices dont show up in wireshark but they do if im in root ?? [20:56] wanted to see how they faired. [20:57] What's the best source for info on getting printers setup (one USB, one parport, both HP) and shared over SMB? [20:58] pronto (n=pronto@pool-71-179-232-91.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] FriedBob, look at alienbob's website imho the best route to take. [20:58] FriedBob, his wiki/docbook/thingie [20:58] Old_Fogie, of course [20:58] Soul_keeper, how was it good? [20:58] bad indiffernet? [20:58] Old_Fogie: Where would that be? Do I just google for alienbob? [20:58] Soul_Keeper, do you just hibernate/sleep when you need to do other things? [20:58] FriedBob, slackware alien will get you there [20:59] Soul_Keeper, i.e take it to another location? [20:59] FriedBob, i'd link you but my box is overworked a.t.m [20:59] Old_Fogie: Danke [20:59] from what ive read u have to be root to use wireshark properly...thats lame [20:59] Old_Fogie, it's ok, i've only got a 4GB harddrive (Eeepc) so i don't install many things [20:59] I can't click links from this box anyways [20:59] Soul_keeper, ah I have the pata IDE, so big hd space, but it's only 50 meg on hdparm -tT ...so not too fast [21:00] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.102) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [21:00] blurr, i don't believe in hibernate/sleep stuff. but i toggle xset -dpms xset s off when i'm not working on it to save the screen [21:00] Old_Fogie: I'm making my wife happy - setting our printers up to be shared over our network so she can print wirelessly [21:00] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [21:00] so, im getting a kernal panic for slackware 12.2 because there is no initrd, i can build one for slackware while on another linux distro [21:00] FriedBob, ah yes he's got that on there [21:00] FriedBob, I *know* the feeling believe me :) [21:01] pronto, no it won't work on diff distro [21:01] pronto, initrd scripts to make them are distro specific [21:01] ahi was hoping you could set it to figure it out [21:01] Soul_Keeper, no kidding. doesn't it get hot in a lappy back or anything like that? [21:02] so how do i go about building it when i can not boot into slackware [21:02] pronto, you can use disc 1 of Slackware to book your system. [21:02] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:02] Alternatively, use chroot and make one. [21:02] blurr, i don't travel much, but when i do i throw it in my glove box with the dc/ac adapter in my truck. leaves my house and comes back without ever rebooting [21:02] i grabbed the DVD of slackware [21:02] Soul_Keeper, lol thats fantastic [21:02] DVD is fine too. [21:03] Old_Fogie: Yeah, it was weird, I found XP to be very sluggish and the CPU would all of a sudden start chugging away out of the blue. Slackware doesn't do anything odd. [21:03] well, i'll try the dvd again, if not chroot ... or i'll be back here [21:03] pronto, the directions when booting the CD are printed at the kernel prompt. [21:03] pronto [21:03] blurr, yeah i basically treat the battery as a UPS :) [21:03] huge26 root=/dev/hda1 or whatever. [21:03] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] i guess i should read things -.- [21:04] It'll load the kernel from the disc and use everything else from your disk. [21:04] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.21.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:05] i'm wanting to set up a development 32-bit os under virtualbox. I've loaded the ISO file and am at the root prompt. Coming from using debian/ubuntu, what do I do next? I see there is no user account, gnome, etc. I used the slackware dvd iso (latest) [21:05] development i mean developing apps, not linux [21:05] pronto (n=pronto@pool-71-179-232-91.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:06] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.102) joined ##slackware. [21:06] eross: Then Slackware is a great choice. =) [21:07] You can use adduser to give yourself a user. It's very friendly. [21:07] Oh, wait... trying to install. [21:07] always wanted to roll my own :) [21:07] i've booted using the iso image [21:07] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:07] Well, you'll pretty much want to read what's there. You set up partitions using cfdisk or fdisk, then run "setup" to start the setup program. [21:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.170.227) left irc: "leaving" [21:08] The first entry I go to is addswap, and it'll walk you through an entire install from there. =) [21:10] been awhile since i used fdisk [21:10] eross, cfdisk is a little easier imo for command line if you're rusty [21:11] I prefer cfdisk, yeah. =) [21:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.16.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:11] eross, cfdisk /dev/sda or whichever it is seen as. [21:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.62.51) joined ##slackware. [21:11] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: "Leaving" [21:11] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.190) joined ##slackware. [21:12] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:12] fdisk -l will give your disk geometry, that is wether it is read as sda, hda [21:13] do i want ext2 or ext3 [21:13] set primary, bootable, do i need more partitions or just do the whole thing? [21:14] reiserfs :P [21:14] whole thing will work [21:14] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.145.122) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [21:14] 82 is linux swap, 83 is linux [21:14] I prefere ext3. [21:14] 85 - lin extended [21:14] you should check a install guide [21:15] true [21:15] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.6) left irc: "0x0" [21:15] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.163.163.67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:15] mke2fs -j /dev/#### [21:16] http://www.slackbasics.org/html/chap-install.html [21:16] Any recommendations for good network mapping software? [21:17] kleanchap: nmap? [21:17] cleverly named [21:17] jkwood: nmap has an extension called zenmap. I was wondering if there are anymore. [21:18] It's there, but I don't know that it works. [21:18] It was broken on Slack a while back. [21:18] In the past it was cheops, but the new cheops-ng does not work on most newer distribution. It looks like it is going to be sunset. [21:19] Or maybe it was just the KDE menu entry that was broken. [21:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-170.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] pronto|phone (n=pocketir@166.196.173.188) joined ##slackware. [21:19] jkwood, iirc it was the kmenu entry, works on gnome tho [21:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] derefr (n=derefr@S01060015e9136387.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] so wit the cd i did what it said to do.. still errored about inird [21:20] with* [21:20] the hugesmp.s root= [21:20] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:21] pronto|phone, did you leave the stock huge kernel onboard? and did you change the /boot/vmlinuz symlink to something else other than what the installer had done? [21:21] i just installed slackware today [21:22] when it asked to install lilo i said no [21:22] 7G as primary boot type 83 (linux) and 1G as logical swap type 82, sound good? [21:22] eross, I doubt you'll ever use a 1g swap (but who knows) :) [21:22] The only reason for having a lot of swap is if you plan on hibernating to it. [21:23] eross, but other than that yeaa that should be fine [21:23] pronto|phone, and then what? [21:23] eross: how much ram you have in your system [21:23] thats it after instal i havent touched it, cant boot to it [21:23] you should have installed lilo [21:23] or grub [21:24] 4Gb, amd64 [21:24] it never made a initrd [21:24] i have grub [21:24] pronto|phone, right..you can't boot it, as you didn't install lilo, which goes to the boot record and gives you a boot menu [21:24] eross: you dont really need swap.. you got plenty of ram :P [21:24] pronto|phone, did you do a full install? [21:24] i already use grub [21:24] yeah [21:24] pronto|phone, what other linux are you using? [21:24] ubuntu [21:25] Action: pronto|phone hides [21:25] then update grub in ubuntu [21:25] and add entry for slack which points to the slack install [21:25] i did it kernal panics while booting to slackware because the initrd not being there [21:26] pronto|phone, you'll need to boot into ubunut and make an entry in their grub that has the parameters for Slackware on /dev/whatever-you-installed-too. the default kernel of Slackware is the hugesmp kernel, it does not require any initrd at all. that kernels purpose is to get you 'up and running' then you can choose one of the other 'tinier' kernels that get installed, and they get an initrd tho. [21:26] pronto|phone, slack's installer doesnt make an initrd...it's not ubunut [21:27] oh [21:30] laters, sleepytime [21:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:31] pronto|phone, most likely something along these lines is what you'll need to edit ubunut's /boot/grub/menu.lst file with : http://pastebin.com/d5d4a737f (again similar not exactly :) [21:32] ok [21:32] pronto (n=pronto@pool-71-179-232-91.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] http://pastebin.com/d5d4a737f [21:32] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:33] pronto|phone, the utf8 at 0 is to not have the system use utf8; which is still the 'safe' way as you would have seen the comments in the installer for lilo had you in fact installed lilo. [21:33] oh i was uisng the /boot/vmlinuz.2.6.24-16-generic [21:34] pronto|phone, one point of mention is tho..ubunut may see your Slackware partition as 'sda' but in the fstab of slackware itself, slackware may see it's partition as 'hda' so on the line that has the /boot/vmlinuz... be sure to use the /dev/XXX that Slackware see's or you'll fail. [21:35] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] for the root= im using the hdd's UUID [21:35] dont, use what the 'notes' on the cd says to use [21:35] oh skip that [21:35] I see what you mean.. [21:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:35] nah, dont use uuid, you dont need that [21:36] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] pronto (n=pronto@pool-71-179-232-91.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:38] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [21:39] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:39] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] when i get to this part, how do i install stuff for slack? i guess a repository is out of the question, and i'll need to handle the dependencies myself? [21:43] eross, read up at slackbuilds.org [21:43] ok [21:43] eross, there's also 'sbopkg' a tool which helps to automate stuff at SBo; tho it's not part of SBo. [21:44] eross, if you truly want binaries, gware for gnome; or rob workmans or alienbob's sites (stay away from linuxpackages) [21:44] eross, no gnome at rob workmans or alienbob's regular binaries there [21:47] Robby's site: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ Eric's site: http://slackware.com/~alien/ [21:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "I hate real life" [21:56] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-256250.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [22:00] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:02] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:02] LinuxyErin (n=Erin@c75-111-97-135.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:05] i'm excited, installing slack under virtualbox [22:05] demiv (n=demiv@190.158.82.133) joined ##slackware. [22:05] [ in bed ] :) [22:05] i gave it 1G of ram, do i need a swap then [22:05] pronto|phone (n=pocketir@166.196.173.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] howdy ho everyone [22:07] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:08] Harlin_ (n=chatzill@24-178-103-182.dhcp.stbr.ga.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] eross, if you've got a gig of ram, I doubt you'd use swap. If you didn't make a swap partition, you can always make a 'swapfile' later on and achieve the same results. [22:08] eross, but I'd make a 256-512 'just in case' [22:09] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:09] mindbendr (n=run@94-194-128-38.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [22:09] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) got netsplit. [22:09] Harlin (n=chatzill@24-178-103-182.dhcp.stbr.ga.charter.com) got netsplit. [22:09] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) got netsplit. [22:09] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [22:09] Nick change: Harlin_ -> Harlin [22:09] Possible future nick collision: Harlin [22:09] agreed [22:10] eross, I run a Slack 12.2 vm and use 512 mb and I compile apps, build kernels, and have yet to see it use all that ram assigned to the vm. [22:10] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:10] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) returned to ##slackware. [22:11] Does anyone here use openvpn with ethernet bridging instead of routing? [22:11] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:11] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:12] WHen I try to connect to http://127.0.0.1:613/ using lynx or links I keep I keep getting either a connection refused. Any ideas? [22:12] FriedBob, 613? [22:12] I have started the rc.cups [22:13] http://localhost:631/ [22:13] dislexic? [22:13] Meh. [22:13] Too much blood in my caffiene. [22:13] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:13] FriedBob, hahaha good one I like that, man I'm gonna borrow that line :) :) [22:13] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: [22:14] FriedBob, just *do not* pay bills later on tonight :) [22:14] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:15] unless you are going to send Old_Fogie a check. [22:15] heh [22:15] yeah I forgot that part, good lookin' out 4me there XGizzmo :) [22:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br expired. [22:16] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:16] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] boy, mesa is truly an ugly looking build, ever see it build, yuk. (not as bad as mono tho) [22:16] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] Organism (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:17] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.203) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ack.. here's the tough choice - start with kde, xfce, fluxbox, twm, gnome.. [22:18] eross, you installed slack and have a gnome option? where do I find this install cd :) [22:18] Old_Fogie: Slackware 8.x [22:19] heh you were paying attention. actually i just threw that in there [22:19] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] eross: You caught him in a lucid moment. ;) [22:19] eross, slack 8 runs in openbox? huh didn't know that [22:19] is openbox even in standard slack? i only have flux/blackbox [22:19] err. Imeant virtualbox [22:19] and... tab or whatever that thing is. god that's terrible. [22:20] I cant keep my boxes straight [ in bed ] :) [22:20] [ in bed ] [22:20] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [22:20] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [22:21] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.195.102) left irc: "Killed (KrON (Requested by panasync))" [22:21] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Hmmm, my test page did not print. [22:22] wow kde 3.5 [22:22] FriedBob, they never do. [22:23] eross: huh ? [22:23] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [22:23] from cups interface? [22:23] mine do [22:23] same here [22:23] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:23] I mean they never do when you need them to. [22:23] eross: 3.5? haha [22:23] renatorabelo (n=renatora@bhe201062165024.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] 4.x is the new bandwagon! [22:23] You can print all day if you're trying to make noise and waste ink [22:23] yea 4.2 rc is out [22:24] not yet :) [22:24] I can't even see the printer in the add printer interface from a windows box next to me either. :/ [22:24] FriedBob: permissions.. suck.. on samba [22:24] hiptobecubic, the gimp wastes a *shitload* of ink on me. It's the only floss app that reminds me of my windows days, when what you see, is _not_ what you get. [22:24] Not sure if I have things setup right, the config file didn't match alienBob's docs. :/ [22:25] i've never printed anything from the gimp [22:25] 4.2 rc1 is CLOSE to out. [22:25] hiptobecubic, dont it's like windows. you say portrait, is does landscape, you say scale to fit, you only see the eyeball of a person, not the picture of the *entire* football stadium that you tried to printout. [22:26] jkwood: when 4.2 goes stable.. I'll use KDE4.x series [22:26] U-Neeks (n=666@201-14-99-8.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Anyone have any suggestions? [22:26] thrice`, you got binaries for us to sniff of kde 4.2 yet? :) [22:26] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-68-54-237-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] if you're on slamd64, sure [22:26] why is my /etc/sudoers empty? Is it empty by default? [22:26] Old_Fogie: 4.2RC1 on slamd64.. what thrice` said [22:27] thrice`, no shit? man I really nead to upgrade [22:27] cryptic0: yes [22:27] Dominian, ah! [22:27] Dominian: And thrice` and I will be there to jump on it. =) [22:27] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] :) [22:27] jkwood: Oh don't get me wrong.. I probably will be too [22:27] Dominian, I thought you were on opensuse on your desktop pc? [22:27] Old_Fogie: I pulled the 4.2rc1 tag in svn last week and packaged 'em [22:27] Old_Fogie: no that was my laptop [22:28] Old_Fogie: I've had slamd64 on here since the beginning [22:28] thrice`, oh wow, that's a monster to build huh? [22:28] Old_Fogie: took him all day [22:28] hehe [22:28] Dominian, ah ok [22:28] Old_Fogie, sounds pretty exciting. Maybe it runs the config file through /dev/urandom on it's way to cups [22:28] its* [22:28] I tried it.. and it ate my PC.. so I went back to3.5.10 [22:28] Action: Dominian ducks [22:28] Old_Fogie: takes a few hours, but pretty maintenance free [22:28] hiptobecubic, hahah [22:28] thrice`: "few hours" ? [22:28] I think it took you like 6 hours [22:28] thrice`, Dominian kde-3.5.10 with koffice on my distcc farm is still 18 hours :( [22:29] Old_Fogie: hehe [22:29] gnome get's done in 6.5 tho :) [22:29] I may try gnome on here [22:29] If there is an easy way to remove it that is :P [22:29] I was going to do it... but I couldn't get SVN to behave here. [22:29] is there a gnome 64 bit for slamd? [22:29] gnome slackbuild packages for slamd64 [22:29] gsb yeah [22:29] ah I didn't know that, good to know. [22:30] and they seem to only upgrade 4 packages in the default install [22:30] so taht isn't bad [22:30] Neighter printer will print. [22:30] FriedBob, you did setup the groups no? [22:30] I have an HP deskjet 610CL and an HP Photosmart C5250 [22:30] FriedBob: the deskjet should be supported... [22:30] Old_Fogie: Groups? [22:30] FriedBob: Do you mean you can't seem them on linux? [22:31] Dominian: CUPS seems to see them, but won't print a test page [22:31] lp, plugdev, scanner [22:31] doh [22:31] shou;dnt need plugdev for a rinter... [22:31] One is parport, and the other USB [22:31] cups doesn't require you to be in plugdev for hal [22:31] derefr (n=derefr@S01060015e9136387.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: [22:31] I do , gnome 4tw :) [22:31] add on the fly [22:32] I'm trying to print from the CUPS admin [22:32] FriedBob, well if ou didnt add users to the lp group, you'll get nowhere really fast. [22:32] FriedBob, and fwiw, use the hp-setup for the printers and not cups, that way you can see your inklevels and what not. [22:32] Old_Fogie: The docs didn't mention that. [22:33] well I am :) [22:33] i didn't come up to a gui login screen, is that normal for slack [22:33] eross, yes [22:33] I just need to get the printers to where I can see them over my network and my wife can print over WLAN from her Vista lappy [22:33] FriedBob, seriously you do need to be in lp, scanner and plugdev tho. [22:33] eross you will have to change runlevel to 4 [22:33] to get to gui [22:33] Old_Fogie: Even root? [22:34] how do i select which windowmanager i want on boot [22:34] xwmconfig [22:34] FriedBob, no rootdoesnt [22:34] root ran lynx to get to the admin, and then I had to give root pass inside of it [22:34] FriedBob, but never tried printing from web interface as root tho, so not sure [22:34] eross: slackbook.org [22:35] eross xwmconfig [22:35] Old_Fogie: Like I said though, the docs on alienBOB's site didn't match the default config though, so I don't know if I even have things setup right from that point. [22:36] I always setup a raw cups printer for windows to print to. [22:37] XGizzmo: How would I do that? Canyou give me some advice or point me to some other docs? [22:38] FriedBob: let me find the howto i used [22:38] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left ##slackware ("Client Exiting"). [22:43] FriedBob: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html this one is close. [22:43] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-98-219-216-160.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] but yopu also have to enable raw in cups. [22:45] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:46] XGizzmo, any advantage of 'raw' over a native win driver on the cups server, or a postscript driver on the cups server? [22:48] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Using raw in CUPS means no screwing around with half-assed local printer drivers, CUPS just takes the input from the remote machines and passes it straight on to the printer. I don't know how much time I lost before I figured that out >_< [22:49] interestings [22:50] It's a godsend in a mixed OS network since you can simply install the OS-specific printer drivers on the clients without having to worry about CUPS cocking things up on the server [22:51] yea cups is a pita to config , I find sendmail easier to be honest [22:51] I use nfs for that reason, samba is annoying too [22:52] samba's made harder than it really is by nothing being documented terribly well [22:53] I learned one thing, don't use KDE's tools to do smb.conf of cups*.conf files... [22:54] heh, I haven't had much faith in tools like that ever since I saw what SWAT did to smb.conf many years ago [22:54] oh the kde tools totally blow out your configs with mish-mash and leave you totally unusable samba and cups anyhow [22:55] I don't even have X installed, so that'll not be an issue [22:59] invitado (n=invitado@189.188.146.147) joined ##slackware. [23:00] How can I avoid "Missing MD5 checksum, override with --no-md5" on every 'slapt-get --show-stats --upgrade"? [23:01] By not using slapt-get, would be my suggestion. [23:01] heh, beat me to it [23:01] Any HAL gurus can tell me why hald runs for 2 seconds and exits? [23:01] http://pastebin.ca/1307784 [23:02] It's out of shape? [23:02] I was trying to debug it and noticed when I start the service it exits almost immediately [23:03] baradude (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) left irc: Connection timed out [23:03] baDOOM boom [23:03] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-40.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] dive: does /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy exist? [23:11] If not, then you have issues - that shouldn't have gotten removed. [23:11] nope [23:11] and no idea how it did [23:11] hmm [23:11] Is hal-info installed? [23:11] yeah i think so - checking [23:11] /var/log/packages/hal-info-20081127-noarch-1 [23:12] Reinstall the hal package ; that dir and its files are actually in the main hal package [23:12] ok [23:12] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [23:13] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:14] rworkman, thats fixed that error but it's still exiting straight away [23:15] 04:13:13.930 [E] hald_dbus.c:5845: dbus_bus_request_name(): Connection ":1.25" is not allowed to own the service "org. freedesktop.Hal" due to security policies in the configuration file 04:13:13.931 [D] addon-cpufreq.c:1311: exit [23:15] ah let me started dbus maybe [23:16] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] nope [23:17] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [23:17] dive: reinstall dbus too, and merge .new files if needed, and restart dbus, and try again [23:17] Sounds like something has horked up /usr/ though :/ [23:18] Action: Old_Fogie is playing with backport hal of 12.2 to 12.1 [23:18] cant tell if the udevadmin thing is gonna clobber me or not , heh, we'll seee [23:19] uva (i=bono@118-160-172-199.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] It will. [23:19] oh yea? [23:19] Well, maybe not, going in that direction [23:19] so the udevadmin path in hal is for newer udev then? [23:19] s/path/patch [23:19] but yes [23:19] ah I'll comment it out then [23:20] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-213-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] qw__ (i=bono@118-160-170-28.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] I also commented out the part 'mv $PKG/etc/udev $PKG/lib' [23:20] since 12.1 had the 'old' location of them. [23:20] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] rworkman, no change after reinstall of dbus [23:22] hmm [23:22] 04:22:40.142 [E] hald_dbus.c:5747: dbus_bus_get(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory [23:22] well the log has changed [23:23] now prints 4 lines and exits [23:23] demiv (n=demiv@190.158.82.133) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] Does /var/run/dbus exist? [23:25] yep [23:25] although its an empty dir [23:25] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] Weird. Looks like dbus isn't starting then [23:26] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062139098.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] or something is wrong with it [23:27] 81 24831 0.0 0.1 2296 816 ? Ss Jan13 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system [23:27] Well, that socket should be created then :/ [23:28] Howdy. [23:28] when i start it from cli it makes the socket [23:29] gonna check the rc. [23:29] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] hey Alan_Hicks [23:30] Long time no see. [23:31] slakcer [23:31] insmod mod_speling [23:32] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [23:32] interesting, /var/lib/hal is dropped in 12.2 vs 12.1 [23:32] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Old_Fogie: yes, and it's correct. Dont' recall why though [23:32] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] I just remember it being put in my NOTES file for the upgrade [23:33] Action: Old_Fogie loves 'tree -inapugf -o files-list.log' prior to calling 'makepkg -l y -c n...' just for this reason :) [23:33] superGear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [23:33] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:33] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:33] backporting is doable, heh, but you better check your lists of before and after and sdiff em' to be sure [23:36] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-40.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:37] Well, I'm out - I've got a headache for some reason, so I'm off to bed [23:37] rworkman, ok g'nite hope you feel better. [23:37] nn [23:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] uva (i=bono@118-160-172-199.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:38] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-201.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] qw__ (i=bono@118-160-170-28.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Success [23:41] uva (i=bono@118-168-233-94.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] qw__ (i=bono@118-168-233-94.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] rttotlin (n=rttotlin@84.79.183.252) joined ##slackware. [23:43] hr. Probably this is covered in the docs *somewhere* but [23:43] qw__ (i=bono@118-168-233-94.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] uva (i=bono@118-168-233-94.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:43] on a system that will not ever run KDE, Gnome, XFCE... is there any downside to uncommenting the /etc/fstab line for /dev/cdrom? [23:44] hi [23:44] I mean I've done it on a couple of my machines that run 12.2 with no apparent ill effect... one runs Windowmaker and a ton of xterms, the other a homebrew "media PC" X interface that uses no window manager or DE at all [23:45] but am I missing out on some kind of really cool auto-mounting feature, or is that only for KDE? [23:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.190) left irc: "leaving" [23:45] last version of slack is friendly for a openSUSE user? [23:45] Urchlay, if you're not using 'hal' enabled software or desktops, then I'd have the cdrom mount the traditional way and have it uncommented and set appropriate perms on it, and edit the /etc/sudoers file accordingly. [23:46] Urchlay, the benefit of it commented out, is so that when it get's mounted, hal enabled apps/desktops mount it to /media/label-on-the-cd-as-burned location. [23:46] Old_Fogie: oh. I actually would not want that behaviour, even if I were running KDE, I think [23:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Urchlay, which I said both ways :) [23:47] especially as most of mine would show up as "unknown" or whatever the default is, if you don't give mkifofs a label :) [23:47] oh, hal accounts for that then [23:47] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-201.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:48] yah. My typical setup is to set "noauto,owner,user,ro" for /mnt/cdrom, for a single user workstation/laptop [23:48] Urchlay, on 12.1 I had mine going to /media/cdrom in /etc/fstab. worked fine. hal honored it. not sure how 12.2 respons tho, haven't had time to test it. [23:48] HAL, mount the CD-ROM drive [23:49] "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that..." [23:49] haha [23:49] Action: Old_Fogie looks at the clock and notes, it's almost time for my second dinner. [23:50] rttotlin: slack is as friendly as you want it to be [23:50] eat all your greens Old_Fogie [23:50] so for those of us doing things the old-fashioned way (plain windowmanager or non-X setup), HAL doesn't help with CD mounting... [23:51] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:51] the media box probably needs some flavor of automounting going on (on slack 10.2 I added the supermount patch to the kernel, but that was annoying) [23:53] ok [23:53] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [23:53] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] actually, hm, HAL-style cd mounting... doesn't poll the drive periodically, does it? [23:54] how do you go about updating slackware itself? like if there are security patches, or xfce updates? [23:54] eross: slackpkg [23:54] comes with 12.2, or can be installed on 12.0/12.1, dunno about older versions [23:55] rsync + pkgtools, and sbopkg for some things. [23:55] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.131) joined ##slackware. [23:55] rttotlin (n=rttotlin@84.79.183.252) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [23:55] bleeding supermount... appears to poll the drive every so many seconds, which causes the door to close if it's open [23:55] bono (i=bono@118-160-170-69.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] so about half the time, when swapping discs, the damn door would close by itself before I had the new disc in [23:56] once or twice it closed with the disc trapped in the door mechanism (not seated all the way yet) [23:57] one of those times, it knocked the tray off its rails. Annoying. [23:58] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [23:59] This pritner setup ins't going well. Would someone mind helping me? [00:00] --- Wed Jan 14 2009