[00:00] just found out that hulu does support linux 32-bit flash, but not 64bit, so downgraded to 32bit slackware and now hulu is fine [00:00] There is no 64-bit version. [00:00] Adobe pulled it. [00:02] because they suck [00:02] Yes, they do. [00:02] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Macromedia infected them with stupidity. [00:03] that's a retarded remark [00:03] Mine? [00:03] yes. [00:03] How? [00:04] They seemed to be doing okay until they bought Macromedia. [00:04] Now they are building portions of their apps in Flash. [00:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:11] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:12] the installation supports vi keybindings !? [00:12] Action: fhobia formats his computer and tries the installer [00:13] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:15] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.114.201.161) joined ##slackware. [00:15] fhobia: obviously just for movement [00:16] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.223.55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:17] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:17] whaaat !? no visual mode? [00:17] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) left irc: Excess Flood [00:17] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [00:17] thats it! i'm switching to ubuntu! [00:17] X3 [00:18] fhobia: lol...what flavor? 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[00:38] heh [00:38] i perfer chocolate [00:39] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [00:40] SpartanV1 (~spartan@adsl-176-4-144.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:40] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:42] waximum (~waximum@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:45] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:46] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [00:51] Guest80775 (~richard@ool-4579acf2.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:59] Guest80775 (~richard@ool-4579acf2.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:05] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-191-185-189.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:07] sgd (~paul@p5099cceb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [01:09] I hate this damn heat...36 degree celsius [01:10] what time? [01:11] Action: rworkman is going to try to play with xfce git tonight :) [01:11] now it's 07.00 am and it's are still 27 degree, but in the night was 36 degree in my room. [01:11] Damn, that's pretty hot for inside [01:11] Today I feel good to sleep outside :P [01:12] yeah [01:12] it's 26C right now at 1:09A [01:12] batmayne (krampus@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-egnrzrboswfmgtjq) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Cann0n, where are your from? [01:12] Forida [01:13] I need some assistance from a wise old slackware elder [01:13] it was much hotter the other night [01:13] 26°C too at 0010 [01:13] batmayne: just ask your issue. [01:13] I thought americans only write with degree celsius [01:13] I thought americans only write with degree fahrenheit* [01:13] we normally do it in F [01:13] sorry wrote the wrong [01:14] celsius is certainly more sensible, just most of americans aren't too familiar with it [01:14] s/of// [01:14] 79°F here [01:14] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-191-185-189.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:14] trhodes++ [01:14] Temperature: 61°F / 16°C; Humidity: 83% [01:14] gg beach effect [01:14] I'm upgrading to 13.1 and am doing so from 13.0. I decided to just upgrade through slackpkg. I changed the mirrors to a 13.1 mirror and did slackpkg update. Everything went smoothly. I then do slackpkg install-new and I did slackpkg upgrade-all and it didn't have anything to install. I haven't tried another mirror as of yet [01:15] batmayne: install-new didn't show anything either? [01:15] Nope [01:15] it havent rained since 2 weeks...only heat, heat, heat...My new living room is the pool in garden :P [01:15] batmayne: throw another slackpkg update in there and don't forget about reviewing the output of clean-system [01:15] antiwire: crazy...and in SoCal during July [01:16] http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [01:16] batmayne: show grep -v ^# /etc/slackpkg/mirrors output [01:16] MLanden: yeah it's not a far test though, I'm 1/2 mile from the pacific [01:16] far/fair [01:16] sgd: haha, I heard it was pretty hot in Germany :) my parents live there .. they also installed a pool recently :) [01:16] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors:ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.1/ [01:16] I installed KDE but it needs a lot of RAM or? [01:17] batmayne: for grins and giggles, do this: echo "http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/" > /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and then try again [01:17] I's really funny, Fahrenheit was a german but why we use celsius :P [01:18] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-55-42.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:18] and update from there? Alright. [01:19] sgd: which lander? [01:19] what's the easiest way to download allt he files at: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.1/ [01:19] oh it worked! [01:19] ? [01:19] thank you rworkman [01:19] wget? Does rsync work via http? [01:19] redtricycle: lftp. [01:19] MLanden, germany :P [01:19] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-191-185-189.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] redtricycle: with a bit of scripting and fu ... lftp can even approach rsyncable like behviour. [01:20] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-191-185-189.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [01:20] sgd: ok...keep cool! [01:20] Oh. awesome. [01:20] didnt know about lftp [01:21] thanks BP! [01:21] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-191-185-189.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] np./ [01:21] Wildcards dont work, though, e.g. get * [01:22] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-199.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] lftp -c "open http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/; mirror 13.1/" .. sit back .. drink beer. . enjoy [01:22] lftp -c "open $uri/; mirror" [01:22] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Wooooooo [01:23] Yesterday i found a really nice tool. The aim was to create a pdf of an html tutorial with about 100 html sites [01:23] i want it [01:24] sgd: sites or files? [01:24] hba, I used htmldocs on darwinports at mac [01:24] but I think you should find it with the packet manager or? [01:25] http://www.htmldoc.org/ [01:25] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:27] I dont understand the sense of the Fahrenheit scale ... [01:27] sgd: its in SBo, if i recall. [01:27] I don't understand anything Americans use... and I was born in the states... [01:28] like Hummers [01:28] Cann0n, top =) I also cant understand what's nice on amaerican football and baseball :P [01:28] I love hummers [01:28] Oh you mean the cars. [01:28] lol [01:28] I want hummer :P [01:28] I meant, well, you know [01:28] lol [01:29] Hummers are as bad as, well, as bad hummer. Which is to say not entirely bad. But not worth it either. [01:30] sgd: i don't care much for either one. watching people make a ridiculus amount of money for playing a sport. none are having fun because of the pressure. [01:30] it isn't for me either. [01:31] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] it's like fishing with expensive lures for fishing on rocky bottom... wtf [01:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:32] american football and baseball are nice?.. wtf said that? [01:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:33] [01:33] I said i cant understand the sense why americans like this stupid sports :P [01:33] [01:33] i don't like watching big guys in little shiny pants toss a odd ball around and run [01:33] s/a/an/ [01:34] football/soccer it's cool :) [01:34] I think most people watch american football just for the body slams [01:34] like fights - anything to see someone else get beat up [01:34] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:34] alisonken1home, or they dont understand the rules and are fascinated of the colorful pictures :P [01:34] heh [01:35] i'd rather watch a womans gymnastics competition [01:35] the stupid's idea in last years was to create esports [01:35] heya. I am using slack 13.1. The KMS for i915 is loaded. But X is complaining it cannot with any kernel modesetting driver. I am using custom kernel. Any idea ? [01:35] electronic sports sounds so stupid :P [01:36] this same kernel works fine on slack 13.0. [01:36] lol... on that note... i'm gonna get some eSLEEP [01:36] ananke: sounds like you missed a checkmark in the config somewhere [01:36] s/ananke/anavel/ [01:36] anavel: rather [01:36] :) [01:36] tabfail [01:36] aany idea ? [01:37] since I use a stock kernel and it works, not offhand [01:37] lemme try stock kernel to confirm the culprit ;) [01:37] booting huge.S [01:37] make it sense today to compile a kernel self [01:38] slack64? otherwise try huge-smp [01:38] nope. slack32 [01:39] oh, i am booting huge-smp actually [01:39] same problem [01:39] danonura (danonura@unaffiliated/danonura) left ##slackware. [01:39] cannot detect kernel modesetting driver. [01:39] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:40] full install? [01:40] nope [01:40] hmm [01:40] try booting with vga=std [01:41] IOW don't use lilo framebuffer [01:41] alisonken1home: ah yeah, i am reading an article about this. Seems like i need to disable FB driver. [01:41] most of my systems never have a monitor attached anyway [01:42] my laptop is the only Linux box I have that really needs graphical subsystems setup [01:42] antiwire: yeah, X is cumbersome [01:42] server is more geek friendly :) [01:43] I just use FTP/SSH/HTTP/CIFS anyway...at least for servers ;) [01:44] X means I can have more terminals running at the same time [01:44] yep! that's my my laptop needs X [01:44] screen \o/ [01:44] I use minicom, screen and nohup all the time [01:44] in multiple windows, to create an orgasmic terminal display. [01:44] it's quite erotic [01:45] gui terminals mean I can watch several thngs going on at once without having to flip between consoles [01:45] tabs ftw [01:45] tabs don't let you see what's happening at the same time - you still have to switch to see [01:45] :) [01:45] multitail is rad [01:45] however, screen works great when logged into a server from home [01:45] screen have bells :X [01:45] it's ADD's killer [01:45] muhaha [01:46] you can open up like 8 log files at a time and watch everything in sync [01:46] it's cool [01:46] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:48] oh btw, some good music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2AhjhYWDUM [01:49] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:49] batmayne (krampus@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-egnrzrboswfmgtjq) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:49] robert__ (~robert@187.137.21.4) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:50] hello, why can't i hear any sound from my speakers ? seems to be a driver's issue. [01:50] run alsaconf as root [01:50] then try again [01:50] is the driver loaded ? [01:50] i am not sure. [01:50] seems like it [01:50] waximum (~waximum@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:50] open a console, run 'alsacfg' [01:51] alsaconf! [01:51] what antiwire said [01:51] ok [01:51] alsaconf first then run alsactl [01:51] robert__: type this as a root : lspci -k |grep -A3 -i audio [01:51] alsaconf, then alsamixer to set levels, then 'alsactl store' [01:51] you see any modules stuff ? [01:52] i ran alsaconfig allready [01:52] antiwire: indeed, multitail looks neat :) [01:53] multitail == multimonitor ? [01:53] 05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) [01:53] Subsystem: HT OMEGA Inc. Striker 7.1 [01:53] Kernel driver in use: C-Media PCI [01:53] Kernel modules: snd-cmipci [01:53] ah, then it's loaded. [01:53] some other good music ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ohmhZVjaqQo [01:53] anavel: http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/ [01:53] robert__: don't post too many lines at once - slackboy doesn't like more than about 3 lines in a short time [01:53] robert__: run rexima to normalize sound [01:53] ok. sorry about that. [01:54] err... volume [01:54] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-74-150.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:54] s/sound/volume [01:54] slackboy will regulate [01:54] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-74-150.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:54] he's wild [01:54] pew pew [01:54] robert__: no need to be sorry - it's just slackboy will kick you if you post more than about 3 lines in a short time - like a cut/paste of output [01:54] ok [01:54] i miss homeworld game :< [01:55] robert__: you only need to apologize if someone is bleeding, otherwise it's all good [01:55] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-199.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:55] lol [01:55] sounds good to me. [01:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:59] i still don't hear any music [01:59] or sound [01:59] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:59] is rexima works ? [01:59] antiwire: multitail looks neat [02:00] where I can get Katapult for kde? [02:00] bah, still the same error :< [02:01] remixa ? [02:01] rexima. [02:03] do i type that in the console ? [02:03] yup [02:04] how do i move that, [02:04] with > ? [02:04] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [02:06] or you can do rexima vol 100 [02:06] i dont like the slack package manager... [02:06] is there another avaiable? [02:07] oh my [02:07] you're gonna start either a flamewar or a troll argument [02:07] rexima: unavailable or unknown device `vol'. [02:08] sgd: not officially [02:08] not but with the normaly package manager I can only use one source or? [02:08] robert__: do you have /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer ? [02:09] or how can I install vlc for example..the package manager say he cant find the package [02:09] i am not sure [02:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:09] sgd: use sbopkg [02:09] you have to install it first, but it is a local front-end to slackbuilds.org [02:09] For vlc, check at http://slackware.com/~alien/ [02:10] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("rally 'round the family. Pocket full o'shells"). [02:10] robert__: ls -l /dev/dsp /dev/mixer. any output ? [02:10] alisonken1home, where can I find it? [02:10] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.60) joined ##slackware. [02:10] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2010-07-13 00:22 /dev/mixer [02:10] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [02:11] anavel [02:11] no /dev/dsp ? [02:11] robert__: did you change anything when your sound problems began ? [02:11] i don't think so [02:12] nop i just did a install [02:12] i haven't used slack for years. [02:12] robert__: grep Codec /proc/asound/ [02:12] sgd: try here aswell http://www.linuxpackages.net/ [02:12] if you don't have /proc/asound/, alsa isn't working (and without /dev/dsp, i suspect it isn't) [02:12] ok. [02:13] i didn't do anything. [02:14] robert__: whoops [02:14] robert__: grep Codec /proc/asound/card*/codec* [02:14] robert__: sorry about that, pasted the wrong stuff :D [02:14] no problem. [02:15] Codec: ATI R6xx HDMI [02:15] ok [02:16] thanks for helping trhodes :). [02:16] so alsa is indeed alive, and that's your codec (which might need some module options, not sure with this chipset) [02:16] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] well [02:17] it seems like it's my video card [02:17] alisonken1home, is sbopkg something like apt-get [02:17] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:17] hdmi audio [02:17] but i have a sound card. [02:18] seems as if it's using the ati codec [02:18] instead of the HT Omega [02:18] 05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) [02:18] Subsystem: HT OMEGA Inc. Striker 7.1 [02:18] robert__: indeed, you should have had two lines of output if you have what amounts to two soundcards [02:19] no, i only need the ht omega [02:19] robert__: try ls /dev/snd [02:19] controlC0 hwC0D0 pcmC0D3p pcmC1D0p pcmC1D2c seq [02:19] controlC1 midiC1D0 pcmC1D0c pcmC1D1p pcmC1D2p timer [02:20] Nick change: Jennifur -> bunnyboi [02:20] ok, you have playback codecs [02:21] robert__: is the CM8738 onboard? [02:21] no. [02:22] pci [02:24] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:26] seems as it only works with analog [02:26] not digital optical. [02:26] i wonder why, [02:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:28] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-47-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:29] why won't it work via digital instead of analog [02:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:44] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.214) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:49] amiralul (~amiralul@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [02:57] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:01] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] you know slapt-get? [03:07] roooot (~root@43.sub-75-235-250.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:07] i do indeed [03:08] that's you, that is [03:09] rooot (~root@224.sub-75-235-27.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) joined ##slackware. [03:10] o/ [03:11] it's slapt-get supported ? [03:11] sgd: no [03:11] not by slackare [03:11] "but it dont damaged the system" [03:11] 3rd party - you're on your own - and some here would consider that fighting words [03:12] the problem with slapt-get is it does dependency checking - and not always very well at at that [03:12] yeah but Im not a fan of the normal package manager...or is there anyway to add additional sources? [03:12] are you talking slackpkg or pkgtools? [03:12] amiralul (~amiralul@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:13] both [03:13] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:13] slackpkg just looks at /etc/slackpkg/mirrors for where to look for packages - only one site at a time [03:14] slackware package tools are designed to suit slackware - not sut convenience of admin [03:14] suit [03:14] and thats the prob I have. I dont want to search something manually [03:14] administration should not be point and click - because you then don't have control over what your system can get hit with [03:15] but the pakacge concept of slackware does "have a lagg" or? I cant update the whole system if I use for example vlc media player or is there still a possibility? [03:16] no - slackpkg will update your system to the next version. just make sure you read the 'README.TXT' and 'CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT' files for any gotchas [03:16] vlc is not part of slack, so use sbopkg and see if it's there [03:17] slackbuilds.org is the closest to official 3rd party packages for slackware [03:19] and sbopkg update all "unofficial" packages which I installed about it? [03:20] it has a 'check for updates' option in it [03:20] sgd: you don't want to search something manually but are talking about installing LFS, that's uh, different [03:21] surrounder, the problem isnt the difficulty, the problem is updating the whole system via one script [03:21] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:21] surrounder: he's talking about distupgrade a la debian [03:22] yeah something like aptitude update && aptitude -y upgrade && aptitude clean && shutdown -h now [03:25] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:27] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] sbopkg and slackpkg dont find wx-config [03:29] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:29] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] sgd: sbopkg *does* find wxGTK, however [03:31] and I'm quite certain wx-config is installed when that is [03:32] ok [03:33] how you find out that wc-config is included in wxGTK [03:33] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.179) joined ##slackware. [03:33] can i check this anyway [03:34] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [03:35] use sbopkg to make wxGTK, then tar -tf the slackbuild for it [03:35] yeah but i wanted to install audacity and there was an error" no wx-config" [03:35] then i typed sbopkg -g wx-config [03:36] and i found no results [03:36] wx-config is a program provided by a few of the wx widgets packages [03:36] yeah but how can i check in which package something is included [03:37] see alisonken1home for details [03:37] is the package installed? [03:37] no wx-config [03:37] otherwise, go to the package website and see what the package provides [03:37] as noted, wx-config is part of other packages, not a standalone program/package [03:38] does the package manager not support to tell me where its included [03:38] only works for packages that are already built - no package manager can tell you what the sources will provide until it's compiled and packaged [03:39] thanks alisonken1home [03:39] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:43] anyone use kde 4 [03:43] me [03:44] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:44] slack[64] 13.1 and kde [03:44] I really like the function like with the windows if you type the left or right border of your monitor [03:45] how does it called [03:45] haven't used windows since 98 so not sure of the reference [03:46] http://linuxology.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/yes-we-can-kde-aero-snap-like/ [03:46] I mean this kde feature [03:46] wanna tiling ? [03:47] *wannabe tiling ? [03:47] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) joined ##slackware. [03:47] sgd: mine does that now, and I hate it [03:47] why this? [03:47] I want to move the window to the edge of the screen to move it out of the way, not to maximize it - if I wanted to maximize a window, I would click the max button [03:48] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: +++ OK ATH OK [03:48] alisonken1home: glitch in the theme engine? [03:48] no - a "feature" for those too lazy to see the maximize button [03:49] MLanden: same as what win 7 does apparantly [03:49] ahh..ok [03:51] win 7 suckz :D [03:51] that's your opinion, think it's quite ok [03:51] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [03:52] it's ugly, slow, etc. [03:52] it's from microsoft... [03:52] all reason why i hate it [03:53] it's not slow at all. [03:53] I woudln't say ugly or slow - but it's from MS, and they still haven't learned how to code properly [03:53] I know, it's really fast to the next bluescreen [03:54] sgd: bullcrap, really [03:56] you need some stupid stop like antivirus tool, after 6 month it will be slow and the most users reinstall it, office 2010 odt is not compatible to open office etc. [03:56] sgd: you're doing it wrong then. [04:02] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [04:03] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:03] pvn (~vep2@htibin552-009.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [04:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [04:09] rundata (~rundata@5ac470a1.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [04:09] hey all [04:10] yo [04:10] heya [04:10] anyone got any experiance in recompiling lsof with HASSECURITY [04:10] to prevent normal users from using it [04:10] kloeri (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [04:10] and also... do you know of any known caveats [04:11] why not just chown root:root && chmod 700 ? [04:11] hmmz [04:11] xD [04:11] spose i could do tbh lol [04:11] ^5 [04:13] Morn [04:13] y0 Zordrak [04:14] once again tho, any known caveats surrounding disabling this for normal users? [04:15] other than the chmod/chown thing, can't help with teh hassecurity issue [04:16] hba (~hba@189.130.42.110) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:17] KN13v3l (~knievel@unaffiliated/kn13v3l) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:18] morning lads o/ [04:18] hey phrag [04:18] heya,phrag [04:19] hey phrag [04:20] -sup [04:20] heya, Zordrak [04:22] KN13v3l (~knievel@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Nick change: KN13v3l -> Guest92780 [04:24] rundata (~rundata@5ac470a1.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:26] Guest92780 (~knievel@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) left irc: Client Quit [04:27] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:28] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [04:29] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [04:30] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.217.1) joined ##slackware. [04:30] does anyone here use bsd variants in addition to slack? [04:30] several people do. not sure if they're online now, though [04:31] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:31] slobad23: sometimes [04:31] alisonken1home, I have spoken to you on here before - what got you into using slackware and why did you choose it over something like gentoo or arch? I have been blowing about on he wind with several linux distros for the last 3 years and still can't settle [04:32] slobad23: I started using slackware before gentoo and others were even thought of [04:32] about the only thing i have decided on is that i like distros that implement the BSD style init scripts [04:32] it was actually sls back then [04:34] sysvinit style links to init.d have their pro's, but I still like the bsd-style rc.* setups [04:34] I love slackware in it's "complicated simplicity" (does that even make sense? :-) I just couldn't get on with the package management [04:34] I like the package management of slack myselt [04:34] simple, clean, and doesn't pull in crap I don't wan [04:34] t [04:35] the amount of times i tried to run a build script (ok, about 4 or 5) and it just didn't work was frustrating [04:35] slobad23: thats a serious mis-statement that you (and thousands of others) need to correct. Package Management is not the same as Forced Dependency Resolution. Slackware has got package management and it's awesome. [04:35] I have no doubt I was doing something wrong... but after reading through the slackbook i couldnt figure out what that was [04:36] huh. Perhaps thats my bad.. i think i misread your statementp. [04:36] slackbuilds.org (and sbopkg) work fine as long as you read the dependency requirements of the packgage [04:36] bleurgh [04:37] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [04:37] Action: Zordrak mov ip,0xC0FFEE [04:38] Zordrak, I didn't claim it doesn't have package management, I just said that I couldn't realy get along with it. Other than that I found Slackware to be fast, simple (which is a mis-statement from thousands regarding slackware when they all claim it to be complicated beyond any non guru like status) and the community behind it has been better than any other distro I have tried [04:40] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:40] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.223.106) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:42] sgd (~paul@p5099cceb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:42] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.60.60) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:42] alisonken1home, Have you ever tried any other distros and have they nearly swayed your decision on which distro you run? [04:42] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:43] redhat and ubuntu come to mind :) [04:43] I'm still running slack, though [04:43] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.136.223) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:44] what do you find it offers over something like ubuntu that means you stick with it? [04:45] slackware is just working [04:45] lets take an example [04:45] my mother in law is living about 2000 km away from me [04:45] mov sp,0xCOFFEE [04:46] even though i am a slackware user myself, i installed ubuntu lts in her computer thinking that it would just work for her [04:46] microsoft bought yahoo and kopete could not anymore work with yahoo [04:46] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:46] well, i thought i will just do an apt-get upgrade [04:47] but no!!!!! [04:47] ubuntu can not change to a newer version, it keeps the one that came originally [04:47] so she ended up with an useless kopete [04:48] at the same time i installed the updates for slackware... and slackware jumped version to get the thing to work [04:48] ubuntu thinks it is better to have a "stable" app that is not working rather than changing when necessary [04:49] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:50] KN13v3l_ (~knievel@unaffiliated/kn13v3l) joined ##slackware. [04:51] mrcarrot: was that kde3 or kde4? [04:52] Time to swtich back to slackware I think - let's see if I can stick with one distro for an entire month! [04:52] her computer was running kde3... but i tried also with pidgin... the same story [04:52] i was using pidgin myself and saw that it got updated in slackware [04:52] slobad23: you'll get bored of distrohopping, believe me [04:52] i never tried kopete in my own laptop [04:52] slobad23: good luck [04:54] Action: mrcarrot has been trying every single a little bit bigger linux distro... and has concluded that he is always returning to slackware [04:54] i am using slackware and openbsd... both keep things simple. [04:55] hmmopenbsd <3 [04:55] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:56] I don't know enough about linux configuration yet without moving to BSD unless I was going to do it exclusively for a while... [04:57] slackware is only missing 4 programs that i need to install manually myself: openoffice, trayer, menumaker and wmclock [04:57] and sbopkg should make it easy to add those [04:57] yes [04:58] even though i think that those programs could as well be included in the main distro... i do not understand why they are not. at least openoffice is that common that pat should include it [04:59] openoffice is nothing odd.. and it lacking is a bit of a big - [04:59] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [04:59] there are more odd programs than that included already [05:01] not including OOo be default does give 90% of people an excuse to go and use slackbuilds or compile for the first time :-) [05:01] yes, but one tool extra.... instead of just using slackwares own pkg manager to update the system [05:05] i would like wicd by default for wpa encrypted networks... but I appreciate that the tools are there to do what I want already so don't install it from the base install [05:05] openoffice violates the GPL [05:05] openoffice is distributed as a binary blob [05:05] wicd is in extra/ [05:06] how is that a GPL viloation? [05:06] gniks: OOo does not violate gpl [05:06] you can't maintain GPL compliance by including non GPL software [05:06] gniks: idiot. [05:06] yes you can at the distro level [05:06] what on earth are you on about [05:06] http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html [05:06] no you can't [05:06] you need to review what gpl is [05:06] gniks: you can do what you like as long as the source of the GNU tools you have used is available on request [05:06] actually i reviewed it yesterday ;) [05:07] then stop thinking a distro is a program [05:07] the source of the program must be available, not just the tools [05:07] a distro is a collection of programs [05:07] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] that page doesn't list distros that viloate the GPL at all [05:07] gniks: i said EXACTLY that.. the source [05:08] FFS you do not need to include the source to be GPL compliant unless you changed it [05:08] and as long as the sources are available, it can be distributed as a binary and still be in compliance with gpl [05:08] i think you can even charge a nominal fee for providing the source [05:08] yes you can [05:08] or at leasnt you can do it via whatever means you like without [05:09] GNU specifically states that Slackware as other popular distors are not endorsed by GPL [05:09] gniks: do you know what endorsement is? [05:09] yes [05:09] fuckin trolls [05:09] because pat has not submitted slack to gpl for verification - he's not a company and doesn't have a lot of money available for testing [05:10] RMS clones [05:11] Zordrak: i am not being a troll [05:11] blanket statements like OOo is not gpl because it's deistributed as a binary come close [05:12] oh, and you guys don't use blanket statements? sure wtf ever [05:12] we also know when to say "sorry - I was wrong" when facts are brought to our attention [05:13] B&B in town? [05:13] not to mention you can download the source to OOo http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.2.1/OOo_3.2.1_src_core.tar.bz2 http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.2.1/OOo_3.2.1_src_system.tar.bz2 [05:13] maybe if you stop attacking people, you might deserve a sorry [05:13] yes, the sources are there... and i have been compiling oo myself several times [05:14] GPL can't endorse anything or anyone, it's not an entity >< [05:14] well, as noted, when you make a known false statement like the one you did about OOo bring to mind the too many other people that drop in without a clue [05:14] either way, for whatever reason, slackware is not endorsed by gpl because of its policies. [05:14] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [05:14] mrcarrot: did you try the go project of openoffice? [05:14] gniks: its not endorsed by the FDA either... [05:14] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:14] unfortunately, we get too many of the type that drop in to slam slackware because they want slackware to behave like their favorite other distro [05:15] Zordrak: that is an irrelevant statement [05:15] MLanden: through ports and pkgsrc in bsds... when no ready pkg is existing [05:15] thats funny you make that statement without even knowing me [05:15] Zordrak: damn, really? is that why I got ill when I tried to eat my slackware CD set? =/ [05:15] slackware is in fact my favorite distro [05:15] mrcarrot: same as well with freebsd [05:16] eXgame (~eXgame@78-60-222-36.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:16] i use other stuff in enterprise environments because slackware isn't exactly enterprise material [05:16] now who is making blanket statments? [05:16] you want a distro endorsed by RMS? really? get slackware, remove xv and the 6 or so firmware packages [05:16] we only know you by what you say in here - since I don't remember seeing you here before and you make a false statement, it's easy to make a mistake [05:16] done [05:16] ive been in here for weeks [05:16] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:16] and ive talked a lot actually [05:17] and the statement isn't 100% false [05:17] note what I said - "I haven't seen you" doesn't mean you haven't been here [05:17] maybe you shoudl look harder [05:17] we've actually had decent convos before [05:17] gniks, just chill, this is all unnecessary - let's just all get along [05:17] could be - but I have several things going at once and I'm not known for remembering everyone on a few weeks chat [05:17] sorry [05:19] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:21] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:21] through the company i am working for i end up adminitrating a school running debian with ltsp [05:21] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [05:22] to have slackware myself is so good after all the bad things there [05:22] debian = nightmare [05:22] from what ive been told debian broke off from slackware back in the day [05:22] yesterday got lost because of it [05:23] is slackware more efficient because you compile apps on the target system? I mean, does it matter that I compile the slackbuilds, even if I just ./name.SlacBuild ? [05:23] w.o any options passed [05:23] Redness (~redness@c122-108-213-51.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:23] no, samfisher [05:24] you may gain insignificant improvements that the gentoo community would fight to defend, but nothing you will notice [05:24] i'm asking because when I was looking into Gentoo on google some said it's better because you make everything from source [05:24] oh, exactly [05:24] we use debian at my work as well [05:25] it is a nightmare of packages not working well together as you are more or less forced to use backports [05:25] that school is demanding that the system should save the language settings [05:26] and somebody has been even giving a patch to the debian people [05:26] but they can not accept as it is a "big change" [05:26] so i ended up using backport version of ltsp [05:26] and things started to break really badly [05:27] mksquasfs broke [05:27] and this is also on their mailing lists [05:27] but no changes [05:27] i ended up after much fight using nfs for ltsp [05:27] instead of more fast nbd [05:27] alisonken1home, what is it you do for work that makes your company / employer / your own business run debian? [05:27] dreamhost.com [05:28] once with debian it famd locked the whole server about once every day [05:28] you really work for dreamhost? [05:28] and no updates for debian [05:28] yes [05:28] interesting [05:28] mrcarrot: what languages? [05:28] we use our own repository for our farm - but we try to push any main fixed upstream [05:28] up until i moved to the east coast, i worked for Liquid Web your direct competitor :D [05:28] i had to make it to log out every user every night otherwise it would lock [05:29] MLanden: english, swedish, finnish [05:29] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:29] MLanden: it was possible to change language, but it would not keep the setting chosen in ldm [05:29] mrcarrot: Aland? [05:29] finland [05:29] alisonken1home, $8.95 a month?! [05:30] Action: mrcarrot really wishing slackware would have ltsp [05:30] I believe that's one of the promo's - but I'm in noc, not sales [05:30] gniks, could you beat that price then? :-P I'm gonna get adeal [05:30] lulz, no LW is expensive [05:30] i want top quality at bargain prices :-) [05:31] sounds like "I want BMW on a VW budget" :) [05:31] mrcarrot: ok..had to ask..just askin' out of curiosity [05:31] alisonken1home, that would be nice too [05:31] well, we try :) [05:31] slobad23: try stormondemand.com [05:31] :D [05:32] MLanden: i have one brother living in åland [05:32] LW piece of crap cloud hosting [05:32] VWs can be pretty darn expensive, and their fans would argue that they're not inferior to Beamers. [05:32] vw golf's hold their value pretty well [05:32] I had a golf. I liked that car. [05:32] the people who designed stormondemand aren't the brightest in the LW talent pool [05:32] mrcarrot: cool....remember 'bout reading 'bout that area in WW2 studies [05:32] if im using cloud computing... storms don't sound like what I want [05:33] haha [05:33] its got some nifty features [05:33] however, most of these were added after i left, so i dont' know how they work [05:33] alisonken1home, Do you get commission if I mention your bame in an email ;-) [05:33] s/bame/name/ [05:33] don't know how sales work, so can't tell [05:34] their network is crappy for the storm product as they are hacking around network standards to put more vlans on a device that won't support it [05:34] gniks, just tooks me about 4 minutes to load up http://www.stormondemand.com/cloud-hosting/... I think i'll pass :-D [05:34] haha [05:34] nice [05:34] thats fine, i really wasn't trying to sell you storm ;) [05:34] lies, all lies [05:35] i have no stakes in the company, and id rather see them go out of business than to send business their way [05:35] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:36] dreamhost sounds like a bargain - will it be a pain running on a US based host for UK sites when wanting to change MX records and things? I don't want updates being sent out at minight with a 2 hours response time (which I'm not going to reply to in time) :-) [05:36] Action: mrcarrot is waiting for that the active directory indices are rebuilding on a customers win2003 server.... boring [05:36] oh your in the UK? thats why it took forever to load storm hehe [05:36] slobad23: I think commisions only work on customer referrals since customers are the ones that pay for services [05:36] latency sucks [05:36] slobad23: we use our own dns servers [05:37] and the updates to mx records are normal propagation issues with dns [05:37] alisonken1home, I think you have gained a customer [05:37] nice [05:37] thanks [05:37] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-176-41-24.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] *cough* secret promo codes *cough* [05:38] heh [05:38] if you were a Harvey Mudd student, I could give you one :) [05:38] can't ya get fake IDs for that? lol [05:38] lol [05:38] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-176-41-24.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [05:38] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [05:39] not quite - you have to request from a Harvey Mudd server [05:39] ah [05:40] a trip to the states to send an email from their machines would cost me several hundred GBP... how much would I save? ;-) [05:40] If the DNS is managed properly, updates should be instant. "Propagation" is a function of remote caching and TTL. [05:41] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [05:41] slobad23: depends on how long you host with us [05:41] based on a 2 year plan - 4 years would be about right to cover the cost of the plane ticked [05:42] ticket [05:42] it is hot like crazy in this server room.... i am melting [05:43] mrcarrot: at the 40 marker yet? [05:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwM92P8aT64 [05:43] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:43] wabbits! [05:44] MLanden: outdoors about 30 or a bit more... a lot more hot inside with computers working [05:44] har (~AndChat@166.188.193.36) joined ##slackware. [05:44] and here I have to wear 2 coats into the noc - and that's with one of the units on the fritz [05:44] the scsi hard disks are that hot that i can not touch them without burning my fingers [05:46] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:47] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.214) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:49] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Quit: Later,folks..all take care!! [05:50] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.204) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Hoogin1 (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Nick change: KN13v3l_ -> KN13v3l [05:53] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:00] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [06:06] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:07] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:16] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:23] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:23] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:23] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.217.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:26] Destructo (~chatzilla@64.134.103.107) joined ##slackware. [06:27] yo yo [06:27] ma ma [06:27] what service provider would you suggest for a free DNS name? [06:27] doing a new install... again [06:27] i don't need a .com or .us domain, i want just to access my ftp and ssh servers more rapidly [06:27] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:27] samfisher: did you look at freedns ? [06:28] i, it was my first option but i wanted to hear other opinions as well [06:31] alisonken1home, sorry i thought dyndns [06:31] im happy with dyndns [06:33] i dunno why, i'm just affraid of giving my ip address to somebody. connecting it to an e-mail address to [06:33] samfisher: dyndns is working well... but most hostnames i want are taken. no-ip.com is also working well... but more hostnames available [06:33] i am using both [06:34] nice. i'll use dyndns. how do I make the domain i chose system wide in slackware? [06:34] you can always use multiply free dns providers, to have backups handy if the dns update fails. [06:35] what would be better, get a free dns from my provider somthing like mydomain.isp.com or dyndns? [06:35] samfisher: what you should not run on a dsl connection / dyndns account is a mailserver. theres a chance you loose mail during reconnecting of dsl /update lag by dyndns. [06:36] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:36] well, an incoming mailserver. a relay is fine but will be on most blocking lists anyway. [06:38] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.197.150) joined ##slackware. [06:38] also depends on your isp - a lot of them block smpt servers on private machines [06:38] smtp [06:38] that, too. [06:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:43] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-55-42.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:43] ok. i have a domain. how do i set it in slackware? i know it asks for it when you first install but i don't know how to set it up afterwards [06:43] samfisher: netconfig [06:44] either that or vi /etc/HOSTNAME [06:44] Elektro_ (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:45] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) joined ##slackware. [06:45] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [06:45] It takes a few days to set up, but check out http://www.eu.org/ for free domain names. [06:46] And you can host your DNS with a free provider like Zoneedit.com. [06:47] "Set it [up] in Slackware" is a non-sequitur. No idea what that means (it could means lots of things.) [06:48] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] just did a new install. blank screen. i had picked blackbox. can use cd1 to fix this [06:50] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:50] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:52] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0153.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [06:55] is lilo set to use vga=normal ? [06:56] thats what i want to look at. wheni try nano /etc/lilo.conf says no such dir [06:56] xorgsetup, xorgconfig, X -configure none of those work.. [06:57] grazymax (~grazymax@host105-157-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:57] because you're booted to cd - you have to mount your root partition somewhere and edit the lilo on your destination root partition [06:57] i did mount [06:58] i see intel is still making new friends. [06:58] according to your nano command, you tried to edit the wrong file - it's /etc/lilo.conf [06:58] cd [06:58] alisonken1home can you pm me for sec .. [06:58] mount -o bind /proc proc [06:59] mount -o bind /dev dev [06:59] chroot . [06:59] nano /etc/lilo.conf [06:59] lilo [07:01] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.197.150) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:01] copying lilo.conf over to /etc works mostly too [07:01] jg71: lilo is not taking a new lilo.conf into account unless you run "lilo" [07:01] and for that you need dev [07:02] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-104-88.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:02] well. this new install. mounted .. i get nothing . even whith all those commands [07:02] mrcarrot: ... well. you didnt get my point ;) [07:02] har (~AndChat@166.188.193.36) left irc: Quit: Bye [07:02] ah.. now i got ;) hehe [07:03] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:03] Action: Destructo wants someone to throw him a big bone [07:03] Action: mrcarrot throws a bone to Destructo [07:04] good dog [07:04] Action: Destructo wants a bone with mount commands on them [07:05] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt [07:05] did all that. im still getting .. no lilo.conf .. no xorgconfig etc [07:06] cp /mnt/etc/lilo.conf /etc [07:06] lilo [07:06] ups [07:06] nano /etc/lilo.conf [07:06] lilo [07:06] or then you do [07:06] cd /mnt [07:07] 13:56 < mrcarrot> mount -o bind /proc proc [07:07] 13:56 < mrcarrot> mount -o bind /dev dev [07:07] 13:56 < mrcarrot> chroot . [07:08] you didnt get my point, mrcarrot ... /proc & /dev are already present, no need to force em into a chroot. [07:09] in order for lilo to work in a chroot, you have to bind /sys and /proc inside where the chroot is, otherwise lilo fails [07:09] and dev [07:09] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [07:09] and dev :) [07:09] :) [07:09] offtopic: what should I use to make a fileserver on which people can upload from a http page? like rapidshare or so [07:10] for i in dev sys proc; do bind /$i /$i ; done [07:10] chroot [07:10] chroot /bin/bash [07:10] also works [07:10] (I think that's the syntax - have to check again) [07:11] all that chroot foo is not necesarry. [07:11] my syntax is working 100% sure... been doing it many times to rescue all kind of systems [07:12] yep [07:12] i didnt say it wouldnt work :) [07:13] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] damn same crap after reboot [07:14] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.195) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Destructo: intel hardware? [07:14] i mean, intel graphics? [07:14] older ibm [07:14] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Disconnecting... [07:14] yes [07:15] sad day. i wont rant again. good luck, Destructo. [07:15] 82830 chipset [07:16] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: exit error code 434 [07:16] i fought a lot with intel about half year ago... ended up downloading the newest kernel from kernel.org and compile myself to get it to work [07:17] ok im going to start over .. i need to get into xorgsetup or xorgconfig which i dont get . even after mounting [07:18] have you tried ctrl+alt+F6 on your system, Destructo .. i mean when you are booting the real system [07:19] What does OOBM PSTN mean to you? (i know what PSTN is and the acronym for OOBM.. but OOBM PSTN......) [07:19] doenst do anything [07:19] mrcarrot why doesnt xorgconfig work [07:20] i keep getting 'not found' [07:20] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:21] are you trying to run xorgconfig from the cd? [07:22] if yes - it won't work [07:22] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [07:22] you can only run xorgconfig after booting into a fully installed system [07:22] Destructo: it is not existing for newer slackware [07:22] use X -configure [07:22] and then manually adjust [07:23] i thought i could run xorg stuff if i mounted the system. [07:23] X -configure i get errors [07:24] those only work after booting into a working fully installed system - mounting the drive from the cd won't work [07:24] in fact i could run xorgsetup 3 minutews ago before reboot. now i cant [07:24] ah .. [07:24] xorgsetup, yes but not xorgconfig [07:25] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qgtkboheopmreefw) joined ##slackware. [07:25] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:26] hi all [07:26] Action: mrcarrot is really fed up of ntfs... this customers server is just having problems. [07:26] Action: mrcarrot wishing windows would disappear. **poof** [07:26] hi ganeshix [07:27] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:28] ctrl-alt f6 doesnt work [07:29] Destructo: not - [07:29] ü [07:29] + [07:29] XD [07:30] right . ctrl alt f6 [07:30] can you ping the machine from another on your network? If so, can you ssh in? [07:31] with arp -n you can find the ip of the other [07:32] im going to use cd1 to reconfigure my system [07:33] id bee happily using slapt-get until upgraded to 13.1_64 [07:33] when i installed that version, it did not work [07:33] so im regrouping now [07:33] lesson 1: don't use slapt-get [07:33] using only slackpkg and sbopkg [07:33] :) [07:33] lesson 2 - you can't upgrade from slackware32 to slackware64 [07:34] oh, yes [07:34] ganeshix: what is sbopkg? [07:34] that was a slip of tongue/fingers here [07:34] let me rephrase that - your system will get borked trying to "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit [07:34] www.sbopkg.org [07:34] sbopkg builds packages for you using slackbuilds.org [07:34] alisonken1home, yes [07:35] what i really did was installing 13.1_64, keeping my home without the .* files [07:35] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] slip of tongue :) [07:36] so, my 3 tools now: slackpkg, sbopkg and src2pkg [07:36] alright .. a blank screen again!! yea!! [07:38] alisonken1home, still i would like to know, why not using slapt-get? because of the forced dependency choices it makes? [07:39] slapt-get is 3rd party unsupported here - slackbuilds.org (and unofficially sbopkg) are the closest to 3rd party slackware support you'll find here [07:39] Destructo did not answer my question. [07:39] but yes, too many people have had dependency issues screw their system up [07:39] i see... [07:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] rob0 the ping issue? no network. im trying to fix xorg or lilo [07:42] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [07:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [07:43] So you set inittab(5) id:4:initdefault: before X was tested and working? Did you have any pastebins I should look at? [07:44] you can boot into console, right? Otherwise how did you do the install? [07:44] by the power of greyskull of course... [07:44] I Have The Power [07:45] cd install rob0 . then tried to mount with cd after blank screen [07:45] when lilo installed, did you tell it to use vga=normal? [07:45] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:46] yep [07:49] But the CD boots without any special parameters? [07:49] yea [07:50] maybe if you would not be so destructive, Destructo, it would work ;) [07:51] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:51] You see the LILO screen and get the boot prompt? Using the "huge" kernel? At what point does the screen go black? [07:51] after the penguin .. [07:52] ? [07:52] as if x started .. [07:52] Since you see a penguin, you're not using vga=normal. [07:52] right [07:53] but, it implies that framebuffer is working [07:53] up to a point, yes [07:53] really. when i edit lilo i put normal then i run lilo again [07:54] sser (~quake@88.253.210.246) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Framebuffer has never been a problem for me, FWIW, since 80486 or P5 or thereabouts. [07:56] sser (quake@88.253.210.246) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [07:56] what else can i try [07:58] not everyone at once please ... slow down [07:58] :) [07:58] I'm still working [07:59] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.45) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Ken, why using the "home" account from work? I was wondering about that. :) [08:00] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:00] rob0: because I'm working from home this week :) [08:00] cool [08:00] lol [08:01] i was about to say that [08:01] the family is gone, the dog has a condition, so the boss let me stay home this week and work remotely [08:01] aww, whats wrong with your dog? [08:01] Destructo: at the boot prompt you can try "linux single vga=normal" [08:01] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:02] 14 years old, arthritis, and last week got hit with something that screwed his balance [08:02] (assuming "linux" as the image name) [08:02] alisonken1home, ouch, that stinks :( [08:02] aww, he won't last long :( [08:02] rob0, i wouldnt say that [08:02] well, this is the 3rd year the wife thought he woudln't last through christmas [08:02] 14 is pretty old [08:02] ive seen dogs go blind at 10 and live to be 20+ [08:03] depends on how big [08:03] Action: Zordrak just totally realised you're talking about a dog not a child [08:03] smaller dogs seem to live longer [08:03] Zordrak: heh [08:03] he's a dalmatian, but he was the runt, so at 55# he's not a normal sized dalmatian [08:03] aww [08:04] archceza1 (1000@avz197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:04] alisonken1home, yea but its still a large breed [08:04] nambla (~asdfasdfs@cm72.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [08:04] alisonken1home, but i wouldnt put a time stamp on him just yet [08:04] true - but moonie is only about 2/3 size [08:04] I'm not - like I said, he's lasted longer than the wife thought he would [08:05] ok. im in lilo.conf .. line 65 .. after image = /boot/vmlinuz root = is blank [08:06] thats eems to be wrong [08:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BBA94.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] meaning lilo asnt written [08:06] root should be your root paritiion - like /dev/sda3 [08:06] right [08:06] Missing or wrong root= is not going to cause a blank screen. [08:06] it would cause a kernel panic - true [08:06] alisonken1home, well best of luck and hope to your moonie <3 [08:07] thanks [08:07] just comming in at the end of the conversation without bothering to scroll back, i'm gonna guess he's passed a bad vga mode and should set vga=ask or normal [08:07] i switched the vga from 791 to normal. now if i run lilo again .. will it chnage that ? [08:07] archcezar (1000@daz95.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:07] you need to run lilo for that change to take effect [08:08] it just sets the boot setup with the new info [08:08] well for every change to the conf [08:08] run /sbin/lilo to make your changes register [08:09] /sbin/lilo not found . lilo worked but with these : [08:09] are you still on the boot cd? [08:09] You can always pass a vga= argument at the boot prompt anyway. [08:09] warning unable to deternmine video adapter in use in the present system [08:10] then the other line . warning video adapter does not support vesa bios extensions needer for [08:10] display of 256 colors. added linux 2 warnings issued [08:11] then lilo.conf is set to use something besides vga=normal [08:12] should 9i comment out #vesa framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64 [08:14] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:14] that's a comment [08:14] post what you have in lilo.conf and show us [08:14] _Slesh_ (c8bb1741@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.187.23.65) joined ##slackware. [08:14] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:14] _Slesh_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: spammers [08:14] its on the other laptop [08:14] < rob0> Destructo: at the boot prompt you can try "linux single vga=normal" [08:15] rob0 i cant get prompt [08:15] .. oh wait ill try [08:15] that makes no sense [08:16] just press tab at lilo? [08:16] instead of just linux .. add those ;lines as well [08:16] .. k [08:16] I mean the very great lilo boot splash says to press tab at least :D [08:17] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.228.44) joined ##slackware. [08:17] it does at the bottom [08:17] I have the DVD that contains /extra and wicd - could someone please help me out on how to install it from the DVD please [08:18] cd //extra/wicd* && installpkg wicd*.txz [08:19] rob0 space between vga = normal [08:20] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [08:20] alisonken1home, Thank you - it says I have installed the package but I cannot run wicd [08:20] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:20] damn same blank screen.= [08:20] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:20] slobad23: you also have to have your user in the netdev group [08:20] alisonken1home, Trying that now [08:20] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:21] don't forget to logout/login for group membership to be updated [08:21] Did you do it as I said, or with the spaces? [08:21] besides the correct command is wicd-client [08:21] -i have to go. thanks for all the help. see you later [08:21] bye [08:21] alisonken1home, You my friend, are a genius - thank you [08:21] no spaces [08:22] hmmm, strange [08:22] slobad23: not really, just had a lot of people ask :) [08:23] I refuse to believe that such a complicated question as that would be on anybody elses mind but my own :-P [08:23] Destructo (~chatzilla@64.134.103.107) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100214235838] [08:24] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:24] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:24] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:36] I have used slackware and wicd to connect to my wireless network before (on this very laptop) but I can't get it to connect now. It is showing my wired connection and can see my wireless network but says "connecting done" then "not connected" [08:37] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Wireless needs first, an access point with which the WNIC can associate, and second, (optional, but wicd expects it) a DHCP server to lease an IP address. Did one of those things fail? See logs & dmesg(1). [08:40] you do have to make sure to set the type of encryption as well - ex: not all wpa settings work with all wpa ap connections [08:41] where should i paste this stuff for you? [08:42] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:42] /var/log/wicd http://codepad.org/9FXIlCNK [08:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.65.116) joined ##slackware. [08:44] slobad23: try in #wicd [08:45] ok thanks :-) [08:45] slobad23 (~slobad23@92.17.228.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:51] waximum (~waximum@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] chee (~chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:51] m3tti (~user@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] chee (~chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Changing host [08:52] chee (~chee@unaffiliated/chee) joined ##slackware. [08:53] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:53] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [08:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:54] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Aidar-Nagato (admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [08:57] m3tti (~user@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:58] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:07] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:07] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0153.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:12] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:12] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE92839.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Elektro_ (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro_ [09:14] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:15] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.174.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:19] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.65.116) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:20] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [09:21] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Hi there [09:22] gui_ (~gui@217.109.83.198) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hi [09:22] I want to check multiple POP accounts with fetchmail and Alpine, do I need procmail? [09:22] I've never spoken to a GUI before.... usually I just click. [09:25] :) [09:26] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:27] m3tti (~user@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Alpine can do anything fetchmail does. FWIW I would recommend getmail(1) over fetchmail. [09:29] procmail would be a good idea with fetchmail, otherwise you need a MTA, and if that's Sendmail, I think you need procmail anyway. [09:29] you just define a folder for each account you wish to check [09:29] thats ll [09:30] you can define mailboxes and usenet group folders in alpine [09:30] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.65.116) joined ##slackware. [09:32] adrien, are you here? [09:33] slava_dp: yup [09:33] nice. do tell me again about the xfs mount options you are using. like logbuf, etc. I want some additional speed for my xfs :) [09:34] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.38.103) joined ##slackware. [09:34] you have disk write cache enabled? [09:34] I think we mentionned that a few days ago [09:34] cache disabled, barriers disabled. [09:35] indeed :) [09:35] ok [09:35] for the log buffers, I have logbufs=8,logbsize=256k because I cant remember which one of them got default (only one is needed but I can't remember which one) [09:36] note that -o remount won't be enough to change the log buffers [09:37] I thought as much [09:37] I also have an external log but that's a format-time option [09:37] ok, done, thanks. I am not going to do any performance tests on this, too lazy :) [09:38] inode64 too but don't use it if you need to be able to mount your partition on older 32bit systems (I think it gives a minor speed boost, not sure) [09:38] slackware32 here [09:38] ll [09:38] so no-go for inode64 :) [09:38] whoops =P [09:39] phrag_blackmailing/ raela/ [09:39] phrag, .bashrc* .bash_profile* .secret_rootkit* [09:39] woops ;p [09:39] I am on a Virgin Mobile dial-up connection so I need to limit the bandwidth usage. From what I can tell, Alpine can't "fetch headers only" or not download attachments.... [09:39] lol [09:39] adrien: wtf! [09:40] heh, you don't know what's inside the folder ;-) [09:40] better not be those damn windows files! [09:40] slava_dp: you should notice a nice improvement for unlink() ;-) [09:41] adrien, yeah, I read that xfs is slower on deletes [09:41] s/slower/awfully slow/ ;p [09:41] I wanted to try JFS, but after I saw this article, I no longer do: http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/04/benchmarking_linux_filesystems_on_software_raid_1/ [09:42] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:42] I think I tripled delete performance or something like that [09:42] let's say from 2x to 4x [09:42] john_dee (~id@93-81-138-162.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:42] has anyone decided to move what was left of reiserfs forward? [09:43] adrien: that's not tripled :( [09:43] shonudo, reiser4 is active still. [09:43] i knew 4 was coming before the reiser fiasco [09:43] shonudo, reiser4 is projected to enter mainline around 2.6.37. [09:43] but with hwat happened to namesys, i wasn't sure it wasn't as dead as... [09:43] nevermind [09:43] it's on par with btrfs performance-wise. [09:44] ChrisPontius (~root@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] slava_dp: so perhaps worth using? [09:44] slava_dp: really? :o [09:45] phoronix did some tests in 2009 or so. btrfs vs reiser4 vs ext4. they all were pretty near each other. [09:45] i didn't know it was going to be included in the kernel mainstream [09:45] Edward Shishkin (formerly of namesys) is still developing it. [09:45] i thought it was alpha at the time namesys fell apart [09:45] I should go on #phoronix and tell them to tweak xfs mount options a *bit* [09:45] like log buffers;-) [09:47] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:47] has anyone used linuxha as opposed to linux-ha which is now heartbeat/pacemaker [09:48] ChrisPontius: dont IRC as root [09:48] Its faked [09:48] /set user_name root [09:48] :) [09:49] heh [09:49] irssi I'm assuming? [09:49] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:49] yah... I was playing with it a bit last night.. I guess I forgot to reset user_name.. [09:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Action: Dominian nods [09:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!~root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:50] balls that one =P [09:51] now you can't talk, but if you quit you'll have to change your username before you can rejoin [09:51] o.O [09:51] yeah a bit extreme [09:51] ChrisPontius (~root@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!~root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:52] ChrisPontius (~r00t@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] better ? [09:52] now yer totally leet [09:52] =) [09:52] Yeah, I'm sure that's what I was going for. More of: I'm being a total smartass [09:52] 1337 [09:52] :) [09:53] what's extreme? it's to help users [09:54] /set user_name root != "i'm on the root account connecting to irc" [09:54] got enough of that flak on another network [09:54] well why do it? [09:54] Why do what? [09:54] a ban can't tell if you're kidding or not [09:54] play with the client ? [09:54] Skywise: no kidding? I didn't know that! [09:54] Thanks for treating me like I'm some douche Skywise [09:54] my pleasure [09:55] set your user name to root, if everywhere you go people warn you about running network clients as root? [09:55] to provoke a reaction? [09:55] Not the intention at all [09:55] but the way I gather in, at least on this network, ~ means there's no identd.. so how can you be sure the user is actually 'root' ? [09:56] we don't, nor do we care.. it's a friendly reminder to our channel users [09:56] Would've been nicer if something along the lines of "hey, might not be wise to use root as irc, we normally ban that. Would you mind parting and changing your user name and then coming back?" [09:56] ChrisPontius: dude, who the fuck cares.. stop being a smart arse [09:56] i think a ban and a boot is easier, and conveys the same message [09:57] is ChrisPontius a cpunches alias? [09:57] sevens (~sevens@unaffiliated/sevens) joined ##slackware. [09:57] after all, its not like you fall off the server [09:57] Maybe from your side, but taking someone by surprise like that.. kind of gives them the wronog impression of the channel environment is all I'm saying. [09:57] ChrisPontius, -ENOTUBUNTU [09:57] you just get booted from the channel [09:58] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-71.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:58] the nick "root" is registered on freenode anyway [09:59] and I guess you don't own it [09:59] I wasn't on the nick root [09:59] Pay attention to the convo if you want to add your 2cents [09:59] is this CP ? [09:59] OddTheCat (~chatzilla@173-24-168-161.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] ChrisPontius! Sounds like Punches!! [09:59] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [09:59] :-D [09:59] Action: arfon understands now [10:00] er.. who? [10:00] nobody [10:00] Hey I can see ChrisPontius' point to be honest.. [10:00] Action: Dominian shrugs [10:00] anyway.. [10:00] ChrisPointius? [10:00] its a tough subject and hard to really explain... much less enforce without pissing someone off.. so whats done is done.. just let ig o [10:01] I'm talking about the whole 'root' bit [10:01] that took me by surprise years ago when the bot would automatically kick for it lol [10:01] ChrisPeanMilk [10:01] (Slackware 8.0 IIRC) [10:01] ChrisPontius: right, sorry, doing others things at the same time >< [10:01] haha no worries.. I understand. [10:02] kickin someone for ircing as root is just tough love and it makes it hard for the user to ignore [10:02] Tough love isn't kicked from irc.. tough love is a cat of nine tails and a gimp mask [10:02] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:03] that would be sadistic love [10:03] raela: puppetstrings? [10:03] its still tough [10:03] Nick change: artv61test2 -> artv61tstgood [10:03] +! [10:03] Skywise: Could you keep a straight face if someone had that get up on and said "Say my name bitch" [10:03] I know I couldn't [10:04] sadistic love? what are you talking about? loving linux but using debian or ubuntu? [10:04] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:04] pfft hahaha wth did I just switch to! [10:04] first 'root' discussions and smart ass remarks.. and now S&M... [10:04] wow [10:04] apt-get is sadism. [10:04] This channel never ceases to amaze me [10:04] O.o [10:05] yeah its been a while since such a pointless discussion going on for so long [10:05] pointless? No, it's Pontius! [10:05] heh [10:05] pontification. [10:06] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Hey ChrisPontius, are you a pilot per chance? [10:06] Should I bring out Party Guy!? [10:06] heh [10:06] I so hate that character.. [10:06] can't believe he actually thinks he looks good in bikini shorts [10:06] lol [10:06] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE92839.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [10:06] Pilate [10:07] what was that other channel someone invited me to yesterday.... somethnghappy.. [10:08] eh.. must've not been important. [10:08] Or I'd actually remember it [10:08] Ah, chrispunches disguised as ChrisPontius ? [10:09] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:09] anyone know something about differential equotions [10:09] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] i did and then i graduated and it all leaked out [10:10] check out kahn academy on youtube, i hear theres some good material [10:10] fu** i've to know how to get the solution for y'=x^2 + 2xy + y^2 [10:11] install octave [10:11] great all i could think of was swimming pools [10:11] and try to solve [10:11] my brain is melted too [10:11] y'=x^2 + 2xy + y^2 [10:12] yes [10:12] Entulho (~foo@187.52.147.170) joined ##slackware. [10:12] you know, i almost remember how to do that [10:12] i know that it is a Binomial theorem [10:12] yeah [10:12] m3tti, just write down "There is no spoon" [10:13] alienBOB: who? [10:13] (x+y)^2 seems to come to mind for no particular reason [10:13] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:13] majess (~l_majewsk@217067201162.u.itsa.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Skywise: yes that was my first idea [10:14] i'm lost :'( [10:14] ew.. math... [10:14] did i mention i graduated 20 years ago [10:14] majess (l_majewsk@217067201162.u.itsa.pl) left ##slackware. [10:14] i've to go now thanks anyway see you [10:14] math is what makes the world go round [10:14] XD [10:15] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip* expired. [10:15] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:15] ChrisPontius: there is a spammer trying to lure people into his channel. His name is Chris Punches and he sent you that invite [10:15] ohhhhh [10:15] m3tti (~user@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:15] Well, thank you for the heads up! [10:17] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:18] Sahko, I thought it was the Law of Conservation of Energy [10:19] is that a US law? [10:19] nader (~nader@85.133.204.104) joined ##slackware. [10:19] sahko: I take it you didn't go to advanced education classes? [10:19] No, it's a subsection of the DMCA [10:20] alisonken1home: business classes? no [10:20] sahko: no - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy [10:20] Business classes are advanced education? [10:21] no [10:21] i dont know [10:21] they're remedial [10:21] Last I checked, the people who couldn't add went into business [10:21] arfon: only if you're trying to get a job as ceo of a fortune 2000 company [10:21] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:21] Like I said, the people who couldn't add... [10:22] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [10:22] oh. i thought it was related to climate change etc. a recent law passed by obama or something:) [10:22] No, it's an old law... I think some dead guy named Newton passed it. [10:23] congress passes law, the president only endorses it [10:23] whatever [10:23] how to change nvidiafb resolution? [10:24] arfon: no - physics was way after newton [10:24] I thin Newton also invented figs. [10:24] arfon: howecver, I can appreciate Fig Newtons :) [10:24] no, a fig fell on his head and he had the idea for a cookie [10:24] I LOVE fig Newtons, someon give that guy a Nobel [10:25] i like them when the cookies are moist, but don't when they're dry [10:26] Yeah dry fig newtons arent good. have you tried the strawberry newtons? [10:26] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [10:26] nader, video=800x600 [10:26] no, i don't think so [10:26] oh, nvidiafb [10:26] sorry [10:26] does someone actually use nvidiafb? o.O [10:26] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:27] well you can only use it for text console [10:27] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:27] better use nouveau now [10:27] it doesn't work with the binary driver [10:27] i think he has too [10:27] I know, but it conflicts with both nouveau and the nvidia driver. [10:27] ChrisPontius (~r00t@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) left irc: Quit: work time; bah.. I should retire! [10:27] all conflicts between them [10:28] nouveau also manages to conflict with vesa [10:31] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [10:32] someone give me a command to list ONLY hidden directories again plz [10:32] ok [10:33] wouldn't you just find directories that start with . [10:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] ls -a .* fails horribly [10:34] what about -R [10:34] Why in the hell isn't there a ls -H command or something? [10:34] ask the man page [10:34] ls -a | grep .* ? [10:34] Oh, you sux Sky [10:34] I fell for it :P [10:35] No, someone here gave me a nice command a awhile back the listed only the hidden dirs and didn't show the '.' or '..' [10:35] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:36] of course, I didn't write it down thinking, I'll never need this again. [10:36] fell for what? [10:37] i don't know what you mean by hidden then [10:37] I did the ls -R and it listed ALL of the directories and sub-dirs.... [10:37] yeah -R is recurse directories [10:37] i'm not sure what you mean then [10:38] when you ls -a .* you get pages of recursive listings.... I just want to see the hidden dir names [10:38] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Skywise, i think he means the ".*" files [10:38] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-210-0.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] yeah, i think maybe he needs to escape the . or something [10:38] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] ls interprets ".*' as list everything in THIS dir and all sub-dirs, not 'show me the hidden dirs'. [10:39] ls -A | grep '^\.' [10:39] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:39] Action: arfon hugs Mowah [10:39] :o [10:39] No kisses sorry [10:40] aww I got my hopes up [10:40] Hey, if you were a chick and I were a chick, I'd kiss you... [10:40] aren't we? [10:40] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Last time I checked, my plumbing was wrong [10:41] aww okay then [10:41] everyone kisses chicks [10:41] Action: arfon writes that command down [10:41] as long as they don't have beaks [10:42] the ones with beaks are cute too [10:42] all yellow and fluffy [10:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:42] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:42] Yeah, my fried thought that also and got two of them for his wife for Easter a few years back.... [10:43] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Those little cute yellow chicks grow up to be ugly, nasty, pain-in-the-butt chickens. [10:43] so do cats [10:43] Cats grow up to be chickens? [10:43] well they don't grow up to be chickens, but pains in the butt [10:44] Nah... [10:44] arfon - only until they get into the pot [10:44] Cats are great [10:44] you can eat chickens [10:44] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] One of mine SLEEPS in a pot [10:44] go to the phillipines - cats and dogs are just as eatable [10:44] cats are only good for tennis rackets [10:44] and stitches [10:44] I go out on the back porch and she is curled up in a pot of dirt [10:45] And THATS why the Phillipines are 3rd world [10:45] did you know that chickens are really bamboo pheasant from that part of the world? [10:45] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:45] i did not know that.... [10:45] I do know they taste good. [10:45] yeah, its quite fascinating really [10:46] turns out bamboo only produces seeds every 52 years [10:46] but when they do they produce like crazy just before the die [10:46] ...and new stalks every 52 seconds [10:46] so its a smorgasbord, and chickens evolved to take advantage of it [10:47] so their egg laying is moderated by their food supply [10:47] the more food the more eggs they will lay [10:47] nader (nader@85.133.204.104) left ##slackware. [10:47] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624193117] [10:47] someone alert the farmers [10:47] They've been doing it wrong [10:47] so people found out if you keep them feed they always lays eggs and thats how they were domesticated [10:47] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] i almost typed that in english [10:48] I heard that if you don't keep them fed, they die. Probably just an urban legend... [10:48] you wouldn't believe the urban legends about chickens, like living with their heads cut off [10:48] and others [10:49] well you see thats unusual behavior for birds which normally lay eggs on a cycle [10:49] rats also take advantage of the bamboo fruit [10:50] Rats take advantage of ANYTHING [10:50] only the last generation attacks human fields when the fruit runs out in the woods [10:50] They are miniture garbage disposals [10:50] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.130) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Where is OpenAL? [10:50] yeah they're quite impressive when it comes to their adaptation [10:50] i give up, where? [10:51] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:51] slackbuilds.org [10:51] Action: arfon looks for OpenAL... I don't see the red/white sriped shirt anywhere [10:52] where is waldo used to be fun, i wonder what happened [10:52] Skywise: they finally found him [10:53] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Fun? He tormented me! Always standing next to a red/white beach ball or umbrella. Curse him [10:53] http://www.findwaldo.com/widget.html [10:54] now you must suffer [10:54] Can it be played in console? [10:54] ...'cause that's all I gots [10:54] irssi FTW [10:54] maybe [10:54] adrien, I can feel faster delete performance now. [10:54] see if you can run links -g [10:55] adrien, pretty cool, I should say. [10:55] links -g doesn't work across a bluetooth console connection to putty :( [10:55] slava_dp: feel the unlink! [10:55] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.79.189) joined ##slackware. [10:56] slava_dp: more seriously, these options are definitely worth using imhp [10:56] o [10:56] what? theres something putty can't do? [10:57] Yeah, like 'not mess up arrow keys' [10:57] yes, tons [10:57] i was decieved [10:57] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:57] and 'not go into never-neverland when you use key-repeat' [10:58] hello! [10:58] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:58] Hello [10:58] b1nd3r (~John@189.34.23.135) joined ##slackware. [10:58] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.130) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:59] hello arfon ? how are you today? [11:00] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:00] eh, bored, at work, but Skywise has been entertaining... how about you? [11:01] im good thank you. [11:01] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:02] Wonderful. [11:04] So, back to MY problem... Console e-mail clients. How do I get around the need for low bandwidth usage with POP connections? [11:04] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [11:04] I don't think Alpine can "download headers only' or 'do not download attachments'.... [11:05] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:05] i think you just wait for it to finish downloading [11:05] you should use imap instead of pop [11:05] No, I get tooled per byte downloaded, I need to limit how MUCH gets downloaded [11:05] also if you can use filters [11:05] tolled = tolled [11:05] tooled = tolled [11:06] Can't use IMAP, my server space is TINY [11:06] Godayy is kida cheap on e-mail storage [11:06] Godayy = GoDaddy [11:07] I wanted to let Eudora/Thunderbird act at the MDA and use alpine to read the folders but, I don't think that will work either [11:07] at = as [11:08] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:08] My life is hard [11:08] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [11:08] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. 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[11:30] Close, Virginia [11:30] ic :) [11:30] Y holland? [11:31] well yes [11:31] Why Hooland? [11:31] Holland? [11:32] well soccer... you know.. [11:32] lawl [11:32] Ah...... [11:32] good I took the day off yesterday, hangover was severe [11:32] Action: arfon doesn't follow sports [11:32] no paella or sangria for me anytime soon [11:32] Action: jareth_ neither... but talking about bad luck :) [11:33] uhuh :( [11:33] surrounder: grars :) [11:33] pvn (~vep2@htibin552-009.bfh.ch) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:33] grats! [11:33] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] grats? for losing ? [11:34] thought you're from Spain :( [11:34] nee, zo nederlands als de tering :P [11:34] aha ;) en toch dronken terwijl we verloren hebben... dacht dat je wat te vieren had [11:35] What's all that jibber-jabber??? [11:35] dutch ;) [11:35] jareth_: nah, puur verdriet [11:35] Action: jareth_ kan ut begrijpen ;) [11:35] jareth_: schade Holland alles ist vorbei :p [11:35] :( [11:35] *hides* [11:35] Roin: yups [11:36] Looks like your spell checker is revolting on you. [11:36] arfon: lol [11:36] :) [11:36] time to go home, later slackers [11:36] Action: jareth_ can handle the loss :) [11:36] laters surrounder [11:36] Bye Surr [11:36] surrounder: ciao! [11:36] arfon: what spell checker? [11:36] Ciao? That's not dutch [11:36] this channel is english only, please keep it english, thanks [11:37] arfon: true :D [11:37] Action: jareth_ will start behaving ;) [11:37] :( [11:38] (did anyone get my Squid Billies reference in there? [11:39] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] arfon: I really need more beer... [11:41] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:43] Have some Glug [11:44] arfon: I stick to my Murphy's :) [11:44] Murphy's? That's not Dutch! [11:45] Wouldn't you rather have some Vander Hoort? [11:45] arfon: But it's nice though! [11:45] I'm no patriot when it comes to beer [11:45] Bugz (~Bugz@75.42.76.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:45] (BTW, I just made up Van der Hoort) :) [11:46] arfon: Where is that from? Never heard of before [11:46] Well, I can't condone drinking but, have a big time anyway. [11:47] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:47] what about van hoek [11:47] arfon: That's a good thing, I just got home, so need some chilling.. [11:47] I just spit one of those into my trash... stinking pollen! [11:48] arfon: but hope it tasted nicely? [11:48] i though it was an asthmahound chihuahua [11:48] Not really, maybe I need some Murphy's to clean my mouth... [11:48] Skywire: lol [11:49] arfon: one left in the fridge :) [11:49] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:49] This conversation has really devolved, sorry. Let's go back to differential equations. [11:50] Calculus + Beer = FAIL [11:50] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:50] "Beer talk" > /dev/null [11:50] yeah, what's the deal laplace transforms [11:51] Are those the ones that go from Car t o Robot? [11:52] Jareth can you pipe that through grep "interesting stuff" ? [11:52] arfon: hardly ;) [11:52] or maybe |grep "college chicks" ? [11:52] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:52] arfon: too young for me [11:53] You can still sit on the park bench and look..... [11:53] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] arfon: I do that when going for a lunch ;) [11:53] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:53] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Have to police noticed yet? [11:54] to = the [11:54] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] arfon: strangely enough not even naked wearing only a raincoat :P [11:54] :)) [11:54] You're bad [11:55] pseudomonas (~marquet@pool-96-255-159-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] arfon: I"m drinking... Don't take me too seriously :)) [11:55] I'm not and don't take me seriously either [11:55] arfon: you bet I don't :D [11:56] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-76-199.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-76-199.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] bosth (~ben@95.65.130.153) joined ##slackware. [11:59] anyone know a cli torrent client that comes with slack? [11:59] want to set a torrent off from work on my home box quickly [11:59] isn't there something in extra? [11:59] phrag: me loves rtorrent, believe it's on slackbuilds.org [11:59] transmission is nice [12:00] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] it has a web-client you can access [12:00] since we're at it: mldonkey ;p [12:00] hmm, none with default slack? [12:00] Nick change: pseudomonas -> pseudomonas|away [12:00] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:00] pseudomonas|away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [12:00] i see bitornado [12:00] phrag: I'm not sure about rtorrent [12:00] ktorrent; the stuff in extra/ is old and might not even work these days [12:00] i use usenet for most stuff, and SABNZBd is the awesome... i literally just want one small torrent remotely [12:01] get ctorrent [12:01] cool, thanks for the info guys [12:01] california girls are incredible, daisy dukes bikini's on top [12:01] I don't even know what usenet is yet [12:01] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:01] thrice`, you dont even jknow what a california girl is either [12:01] poor people [12:02] thrice`: lies! [12:02] phrag.. RTORRENT [12:02] it's WONDERFUL [12:02] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [12:03] ctorrent did the trick, thanks =) [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] if i was torrenting often, i'd look at something better.. usenet + sabnzbd FTW =) [12:04] usenet was a system that was once wonderful until the spammers found it then Google killed it. [12:04] heaumer (heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left ##slackware. [12:04] usenet rules [12:04] now it's just used for hosting binaries [12:04] usenet is for pirating stuff I guess? [12:04] ...and spam [12:04] thrice`: not always, no [12:05] thrice`, not always but mostly. [12:05] It's got alot of INCOMPLETE binaries [12:05] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:05] thrice`: at it certainly wasnt orginally for that.. it precated www, after ARPNET etc [12:05] r00-48, r40-r51... can't find r49 :( [12:05] arfon: yeh, pars mostly fix those.. there are sometimes missing files though [12:06] arfon, that's because you're trying to download debbie does dallas and it's old. [12:06] (r40=r50) [12:06] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:06] haha [12:06] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Wut? [12:06] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] It was just out! [12:06] Action: jareth_ LOL [12:06] isn't that your mom's movie jeev ? [12:06] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] ow [12:07] jeev: haha, i relayed that comment round the office [12:07] no you douche [12:07] phrag, if i worked in an office i'd work at yours [12:07] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] \o/ [12:07] dealing with people who knows usenet? shiet [12:07] :( my office sux [12:07] i could collect 30 accounts and use my multiwan to download 60mbit [12:07] instead of your mom complaining that solitaire doesn't work jeev ? [12:08] thrice`, wrong [12:08] yeh, my whole floor are developers and my SA team =) [12:10] OddTheCat (~chatzilla@173-24-168-161.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939] [12:10] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [12:10] shad0w193 (1000@afim163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hi all [12:11] jeev, just run trn 30 times..... [12:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Hi shad [12:11] I have a problem with my sound card [12:11] i have no sound on slack [12:12] alsaconfig [12:12] i have installed and configured alsa [12:12] done [12:12] alsamixer [12:12] raise the volume [12:12] done but I have 2 sound cards [12:12] remove 1 [12:12] how? [12:12] disabled in BIOS... [12:12] I imagine that you open up your case and remove the card.... [12:12] Oh [12:12] but linux detect [12:13] can you rm the modules for it? [12:13] rmmod [12:13] dunno which exactly [12:13] i imagine you didnt disable it correctly.. double check, if so, blacklist the modules, or physically remove the hardware [12:13] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:13] cannot remove integrated :p [12:14] ok i've banned kde and use fluxbox way faster XD [12:14] Hmmm, I've never run 2 sound cards so without playing with it, I'm kinda at a loss at this point. [12:14] flux is fast [12:14] what phrag said [12:14] i do love kde though [12:14] i will look in BIOS one more time [12:14] afk [12:14] shad0w193 (1000@afim163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [12:15] which modules = look up the chipset and then google the chipset modules + linux [12:15] i like kde too but its slow and has more than i need [12:15] he left =P [12:15] i rather like the new features of kde [12:15] :( I'm talking to myself then [12:16] which modules ? [12:16] oh i see, you didnt mean `which modules` heh [12:16] phrag: maybe i'll switch soon XD [12:16] m3tti: i'd say it matches hardware [12:16] would not dream of running kde on my thinkpad, but on an i7, it flies! =) [12:17] He said that he didn't know which modules were loaded for his on-board sound.... [12:17] yeh, i thought the command [12:18] Did KDE fix that annoying transparent status bars that didn't work correctly? [12:18] do any of you dabble in solaris/hpux ? [12:18] yeh, i prob would of noticed that if it currently existed [12:18] there are lots of bug fixes and features between releases [12:18] I'm condemed to administer a HP/UX box here at work but, I touch it as little as possible [12:18] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:19] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [12:19] m3tti (~user@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] do you think -des3 and 2048bits are enough for a private-use cert? [12:19] i'm referring to 4.5rc2 (4.4.92) [12:19] it's 14years old with a broken monitor and no back-ups. I don't even want to breath on it. [12:19] haha [12:20] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:20] samfisher: i would say so, dependant on the value of the data you want to protect, that is sufficient [12:20] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [12:20] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:20] That was an exqusite non-answer [12:20] phrag, thank you [12:20] I applaud you sir [12:21] haha [12:21] jdifool (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] jdifool (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] jdifool (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] IMHO, it is sufficient for personal cert's... if one were protecting a financial institution, or target of espionage, i may consider more =P [12:24] jdifool (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:25] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] i am no crypto spert tho [12:25] jdifool_ (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:25] i am the target of espionage [12:25] jdifool_ (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:25] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] sshhhh, he's made us! [12:26] Let me repeat what I read: "samfisher:Is a 8bit DES cert sufficient?" "phrag: yes, depending on how much you value your data" :) [12:26] arfon: that's not what he said at all, i suggest you re-read [12:27] I summarized the conversation :) [12:27] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:27] Cliff notes if you will [12:28] That is the "made for TV" version [12:28] a personal use cert, suggests its for personal use and has no real financial or personal consequence [12:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) joined ##slackware. [12:29] arfon: yeh, techies are usually rather specific, and technical subjects / questions often should not be summarized [12:34] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] cobra-the-joker (~cobra@62.135.2.241) joined ##slackware. [12:36] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:37] gui_ (gui@217.109.83.198) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [12:38] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[12:57] for a few more minutes [12:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:58] can you pm me. i cant seem to do it in chatzilla [12:59] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:59] slaker (~slaker@212.183.140.0) joined ##slackware. [13:01] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Client Quit [13:01] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [13:02] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:03] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.18) joined ##slackware. [13:03] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. 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[13:27] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:27] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 243 seconds [13:27] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:27] toast10111 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Client Quit [13:27] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [13:28] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] so whoever recommended sbopkg last night. Thanks folks. seems a real lifesaver. [13:29] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:31] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] powertop is a insteresting tool, anybody used it? [13:31] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Orlov: sbopkg rocks. [13:32] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:32] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:32] thumbs: can't agree more. [13:34] wow http://www.lesswatts.org/ [13:35] anyone know where chatzilla keeps logs [13:35] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) joined ##slackware. [13:36] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Action: alienBOB can sometimes been seen wearing a lesswatts.org t-shirt [13:37] alienBOB: haha really [13:37] I support their goal 100% [13:37] powertop comes with slackware 13.1 :D [13:38] Top causes for wakeups: 50.3% (596.5) : extra timer interrupt [13:39] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.79.189) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:39] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [13:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:44] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:48] vect (brains@ca7-losangeles-1911.dsl.wiredcom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Is it possible to turn off Aconadi in KDE, coming with Slackware Linux 13.1? I am not 100% sure Aconadi is after reading about it, but I suspect that I do not need it. Is Aconadi some kind of database software? [13:48] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:49] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-210-0.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] akonadi is a pim data cache [13:51] in 13.1 you'll need it if you wanna use kdepim, otherwise likely not [13:52] ugh. these video corruptions in x with 13.1's ati drivers are reaaaaaally annoying [13:52] all the kdepim stuff is enabled by default; same goes for the half a dozen daemons you need to run nepomuk. insanity [13:53] adaptr: what is this nepomuk thing anyway? I keep getting messages about the database forit or something [13:53] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:53] hey, what happened to the vol_id program in slack 13.1? [13:53] semantic desktop search [13:53] mishehu: ^ [13:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) joined ##slackware. [13:54] mishehu: basically, browser history, mail, calendar, filesystem, document , kitchen sink, everything search. [13:54] file indexing and whatnot [13:54] google desktop [13:54] ish [13:54] I think upcoming Catalyst 10.7 driver from Ati will begin offer hardware acceleration on linux. Probably only with h.264 format. [13:55] @ mishehu [13:55] Elektro_ (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:55] I noticed that the videos I played in 13.1 inside KDE had inferior quality, but I do not know why. It looked like some kind of scaling issue of sorts. [13:56] Tsooi: I'm not using fglrx, in part because fglrx has always been teh suck, and because last time I used it, it didn't support xrandr [13:56] with the opensource drivers, when I scroll a file in kwrite, or a webpage in firefox, it actually loses some rows of the text and it gets garbled [13:57] Pussyeaterasian (0ce5e402@gateway/web/freenode/ip.12.229.228.2) joined ##slackware. [13:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:57] Pussyeaterasian kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: spammers [13:57] I would try turning off smooth scrolling if that exist in firefox [13:57] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:57] what about kwrite? [13:57] it affects that too [13:57] Ah, right I missed that part. [13:58] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:58] has there been some update to udev or something that eliminates the vol_id program? something else I can use? [13:59] officergris: sorry, I don't know [13:59] never used the vol_id [13:59] well it's supposed to spit out info like the uuid of filesystems [14:00] isn't that already populated in /dev/disk/by-uuid ? [14:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [14:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:01] it is, but it's useful to me to have something that concisely prints out all identification information for a filesystem [14:01] though I've solved my problem [14:01] blkid as root apparently does the same thing [14:03] Indeed [14:04] bob sounds like an awfully short name for an alien :-) [14:05] It's my friendly name, as Chris Punches can confirm [14:06] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:07] of course there's also "Benzoate Ossylezene Bicarbonate - but you can call me B.O.B." [14:07] I heard that CP's channel was really popular nowadays. [14:07] Ostylezene [14:09] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0153.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:09] thumbs: i got annoyed at his pleas for me to return there [14:09] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:09] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:09] nyRednek: I was joking, of course. [14:09] thumbs, you mean there's more than just him in it? [14:10] nyRednek: he had a grand total of 4 non-op users in it. Sometimes 3. [14:10] Greetings Programs [14:10] Permanent ops? Hahaha [14:10] thumbs: yeah, it's called brown nosing [14:11] alienBOB: yeah, he has a bunch of guys with permanent ops in his channel [14:11] what chan is that? [14:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:11] It sounds like a castle with guard towers on the sides [14:11] :) [14:12] alienBOB: makes about as much sense as such [14:12] Well if it makes him happy [14:12] Orlov: the channel name is unmentionable [14:12] alienBlurb, i think chris punches was on with your nick yesterday or the other day saying that you use centos, ubunti and stuff. my heart stopped and i knew it was a faker [14:13] I better dont ask whats so bad about centos now ._. [14:13] Hahaha [14:13] uhm .. okay .. nyRednek. [14:13] jeev: that's reality [14:13] Roin: nothing in particular, it's just not slack [14:13] I've seen worse than CentOS [14:13] NyteOwl: so have i [14:13] I am an Open Source consultant, not just a Slackware hobbyist [14:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] I need to use more than just Slackware in my day job [14:14] NyteOwl: caldera open linux is worse than centos [14:14] Caldera is worse than almostanything :p [14:14] what's so bad about Caldera? [14:14] NyteOwl: so is corel linux(although it *did* show some promise at once) [14:14] officergris: caldera==sco [14:15] hitest (~chatzilla@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [14:15] roger that [14:15] what's so bad about wuftpd and redhat ?!?!? [14:15] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:15] officergris: Caldera was ok at one point and then it's like they stopped giving a shit and stuff kept breaking [14:15] At one point it was decent enough IBM shipped it preinstalled on their Thinkpads [14:16] I seem to recall that although I never tried it myself. [14:16] NyteOwl: not to mention the threats to sue their users if they refused to pay the licensing fee for their "proprietary unix code" that they claimed existed in linux [14:16] yeah, I remember hearing about the IBM thing a while back [14:16] nyRednek: wait, Caldera did that? [14:16] SCO did that [14:16] nyRednek: yeah, well that ws long after Caldera had really ceased to be any kind of player in the Linux arena [14:17] dive: SCO Group==caldera [14:17] ah alright, SCO. yeah, I knew they did that [14:17] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:17] nyRednek, yeah I know [14:17] SCO = Caldera - tSCOg- the SCO Group after caldera [14:18] SCO is history for all practical purposes [14:18] NyteOwl: too bad coherent is dead [14:18] I've also heard Project Monterey (between Caldera and IBM) was what killed caldera when IBM changed tactics, but that's a rumor [14:18] oh I liked that! [14:18] that was quite decent [14:18] artv61tstgood (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] joe_ (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] joe_ (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] NyteOwl: coherent system V? [14:20] yes. Amazing stuff at the time [14:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:21] essentially full blown Unix on a PC [14:21] NyteOwl: yeah, the only intel-based unix out now is solaris [14:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) joined ##slackware. [14:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] And I can't get OpenSolaris to run on my primary workstation [14:21] are normal dvd records capable of burning blueray discs? [14:21] it doesn't like the southbridge chip apparently [14:22] sahko: that answer would be "no" [14:22] s/records/recorders [14:22] damn [14:22] need a blue ray recorded afaik [14:22] recorder [14:22] sahko: they are now selling a blu-ray recorder [14:22] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] sahko: but not sure if it can burn dvd's [14:22] and thanks to SOny's licencing fees, a bluray burner is almost 10 times the price of a regualr DVD burner [14:22] nyRednek: i aint buying :p [14:23] NyteOwl: true, we should have, as a market, went with HD-DVD [14:23] yes, all the BR burner's I've seen can burn regualr formats as well [14:23] yep - HD would have been much better [14:23] as far as I'm concerned, blue ray disks hold too much data for me [14:24] officergris: what, 60GB? [14:24] whatever they are [14:24] I like to use my optical storage for long-term storage of media [14:24] putting 60GB on a disk that can get scratched is too much for me to lose [14:25] officergris: i see your point [14:25] I wonder how much longer-term than they are than ordinary dvds/cds? [14:25] though they do have some pretty fantastic movie detail [14:25] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [14:25] officergris: no better than some games coming out [14:25] fair [14:25] life expectancy of any recordable media is supposed to be quite low with dvd ram being the best [14:26] dvd ram? [14:26] interesting [14:26] like 10 years tops for dvd-+rw etc [14:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] I have some diskettes from the 80's that are still quite useable :) [14:26] yeah [14:26] dive: are you talking constant usage, or them sitting in a dark closet? [14:26] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:27] life expectancy of recordable media like granite, clay is still thousands of years [14:27] officergris, good question - I wish I could find the article now [14:27] dive: only reasonable that RW would have a shorter ,life span [14:27] I'd be curious, because I've got a crapton of CDs sitting in the basement that are > 10 years old [14:27] any CD's I record will likely outlive me [14:28] Action: NyteOwl makes note in will: destroy all the red labelled disks without loading [14:28] haha [14:28] apparently the modern dies aren't great with high densities, which is why dvd ram lasts longer [14:28] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:28] er s/dies/dyes [14:28] NyteOwl: you should put the note, "push the red button on my desk" and have that red button trigger a thermite reaction that does such [14:28] I guess we should get some materials engineers on that then [14:28] mmmmmmm Thermite! [14:28] guax (guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [14:28] delishus thermite [14:28] you folks ever seen it irl? [14:29] yes [14:29] officergris: yeah, i've seen it irl [14:29] nhudson (~Name@mail.cima-solutions.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:29] I think it's pretty fantastic personally [14:29] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:29] fairly simple to make too [14:29] officergris: the primary issue with it: it needs to be contained in such a way to burn through the floor of its container [14:30] officergris: in my experience, napalm works more reliably [14:30] can't cut steel with napalm :) [14:30] NyteOwl: granted, napalm has a more limited application [14:30] NyteOwl: but for data destruction, either would work [14:30] you just have to set it up right is all [14:30] it's also pretty easy to make [14:31] NyteOwl: thermite or napalm? [14:31] Action: NyteOwl remembers why he found chemistry such an enjoyable subject [14:31] officergris: both [14:31] officergris: both are easy to make [14:31] mhmm [14:31] lots of girls? [14:31] adrien: no, lots of destruction [14:31] only problem with thermite is getting ahold of the powdered aluminum [14:31] officergris: you don't have a ball mill? [14:31] nyRednek: there are actually quite a few girls in chemistry, though, too [14:32] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ball mills are alright (though no, I don't have one) [14:32] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] yep, over half my first eyar organic chem was girls [14:32] yup [14:32] btw, chemist here [14:32] officergris: a ball mill is capable of making powdered aluminum from chunks [14:32] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:32] I'm aware [14:33] commercial stuff is much finer grade though [14:33] unless you run the ball mill for EVER [14:33] the finer the mesh, the easier the stuff is to ignite [14:33] officergris: you can determine how fine you need it [14:33] one resaon is that chem feeds so many other fields. biochem, geochem, medicine, pharmacy etc [14:33] officergris: how long do you think you need to mill black powder?] [14:34] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:34] not sure offhand. never done it [14:34] officergris: i usually do it for 2 weeks [14:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:34] officergris: for stabilized nitrocelluose, about 10 days [14:35] hah, you're more of a pyro than I am apparently [14:36] Destructo (~chatzilla@64.134.103.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:36] officergris: not admitting to anything here [14:36] lol [14:36] of course not [14:36] you've obviously just read more literature than I have ;) [14:36] but i am familiar with volatile compounds and how to work with them [14:37] our physical chem prof had a fit when he asked what the testube was in the lab freezer and we told him nitroglycerine [14:37] just an ounce or so :) [14:37] at least i'm not like one idiot i've known...he tried to put nitroglycerin into a BMG shell [14:37] oh wtf no [14:37] nice way to destroy a rifle - and yourself [14:37] officergris: he is no more [14:38] I can imagine [14:38] nitrocelluose, yes [14:38] nitroglycerin, bad [14:38] yeah, that you could get away with [14:38] but nitroglycerin explodes if you so much as look at it funny [14:38] that's why you freeze it before you move it :) [14:39] that does help [14:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:39] though what is fun [14:39] NI3 [14:39] so does making sure Shakey Jake isn't the guy doing the movinv [14:39] moving [14:39] alisonken1home: isn't that the truth [14:39] :) [14:40] nitrocelluose does, however, make a great rifle propellant [14:40] we used to use Tolen's reagent to make silver fulminate and then drop the little dots on the floor or on door casings. Fun to watch them pop :) [14:40] nyRednek: that is the main ingredient in smokeless powder, isn't it? [14:41] it's the primary ingrdient in dynamite [14:41] it's the binder [14:41] nitroglycerin is the explosive [14:41] binder/stabilizer [14:41] also failry easy to make an less than stable version of [14:41] officergris: that it is [14:41] thought so [14:42] heh a new come would thing this was Pyrotechnics 101 :) [14:42] ooh, nitrogen triiodide. Yes, fun stuff. [14:42] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:42] rworkman: it's fun to put on the jams to drawers [14:42] freaks people out [14:43] Yes indeed [14:43] Under car tires [14:43] haha [14:43] Not as noticeable as I'd like there though [14:44] under front door mats [14:46] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:47] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [14:48] anyone have any idea why Volkerding doesn't put more packages in /extra? [14:49] More to maintain [14:49] figured [14:50] Most of what most people need is relatively trivial to build from SlackBuilds.org [14:50] of course [14:50] I dunno, it just always seemed to me that tacking on SBo as an official extension of Slackware wouldn't be a terrible idea [14:50] then again I'm also not the administrator of either [14:51] Well, making it "official" implies that he's going to support it in some way, and he (understandably) doesn't want that. [14:51] He mentions us in the release notes, so that's enough. [14:51] But the work from slackbuilds.org is so good he always thanks the guys with every new release :D [14:51] rworkman: yeah [14:52] remember SBo is still 3rd party repo and it's admined by volunteers [14:52] administered [14:52] naturally [14:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:55] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [15:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:04] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:06] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:07] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.6) joined ##slackware. [15:07] monstro (1000@187.74.17.138) joined ##slackware. [15:07] How to clean the /tmp ? [15:08] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:10] rm -rf /tmp/* [15:11] this is safe ? [15:11] yes and no [15:11] some running programs may have stuff there [15:11] the best thing is to delete stuff you know you don't need [15:11] or just reboot your system [15:12] okay. thanks [15:13] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-55.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:14] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF2E17.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:15] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] hosomaki (~drg@host210-120-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:16] hi all [15:16] can someone help me, trying to find some console serial communication tool (probably installed, but I don't know which) like terminal emulator? [15:16] search packages.txt for serial, maybe? [15:17] i've got a question: what is virtuoso-t that use a lot of my CPUs? [15:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@78.78.70.174) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:19] bitlord: minicom? [15:19] found thanks jg71 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-15.html#ss15.1 [15:19] nyRednek, yes [15:19] :) [15:20] tnx. nyRednek [15:21] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@76.208.66.202) joined ##slackware. [15:22] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [15:23] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:25] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [15:28] LJS (~frank@79.83.171.75) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Hi everyody ! This time I come with a question... [15:29] anyone here good with openoffice 3.1? (their channel is shit) and it happened on slack13.0 [15:30] I want to create a package repository containing packages I made (not distributed by Slackware) that I can use with slackpkg. Is there a link to a howto or a script that automates the build of 'MANIFEST' files (...). [15:30] SigmaVirus24: what happened on slack 13.0? [15:31] LJS: slackpkg will _only_ work with the official Slackware packages [15:31] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:31] LJS: slackpkg is made to update slackware proper...any repositories must use a 3rd party tool [15:31] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:31] no one has any idea about virtuoso? [15:31] i found it is a dmbs. Why is on at my slackbox? [15:33] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:33] alienBOB, nyRednek: but if I have my own repository, slackpkg will work on it too, no ? [15:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-56.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:33] hosomaki: it is the database backend for strigi desktop search. If you disable strigi then virtuoso will leave your box alone [15:34] LJS: negative [15:34] LJS: no, it won't [15:34] alienBOB: I don't understand why: Slackware don't want ? [15:35] Destructo (~chatzilla@64.134.103.107) joined ##slackware. [15:35] LJS: ? [15:35] alienBOB really thx [15:35] i'll check it! [15:35] hosomaki: look under System Settings > Advanced > Desktop Search [15:35] LJS: slackpkg is designed to work *only* with the slackware-distributed packages [15:36] im back [15:36] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [15:36] klein (klein@unaffiliated/klein) left ##slackware. [15:36] alienBOB: I need the ability to have a repository with my own packages, for the update feature, and I wan't to use slackpkg. [15:36] :) [15:37] it's bash, start hacking away [15:37] alienBOB, my box is again freeee!!! [15:37] Well it is not going to be possible LJS [15:37] installpkg is mostly useful for "sensitive" packages such as glibc, the kernel... if you don't have any sensitive package, upgradepkg will work just as well [15:37] nyRednek: why * only * ? b [15:37] LJS: just like sbopkg is designed to work *only* with SBo [15:37] LJS: that's the way it is designed [15:39] alienBOB, nyRednek: ok, but I still think it is possible... I will use the source :) where can I find scripts to automate the build of MANIFEST files ? [15:40] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: reboot [15:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:43] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Aidar-Nagato (admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [15:43] nvision (~nvision@p54BF36C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Action: dustybin wants to learn how to sys admin properly [15:44] LJS: you're on your own when it concerns unsupported uses for applications [15:46] nyRednek: I understand. But I am sure there are script to automate the build of the files used by slackpkg. I will write the scripts, but it is a waste of time... [15:46] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:46] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-55.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [15:47] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF2E17.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:50] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] alienBOB: are you sure virtuoso is only used by strigi? Wouldn't know where nepomuk would store its data then [15:52] it's also used by nepomuk, I removed it here [15:53] been out of the loop for a bit, kde-wise :) [15:53] yep but into advanced settings i removed also nepomuk check flag... [15:54] afaict, strigi is the resource hog, not nepomuk or akonadi or virtuoso, or whatever [15:55] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-31-237.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:55] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:55] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip* expired. [15:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:59] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:01] nader (~nader@85.133.204.104) joined ##slackware. [16:03] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@76.208.66.202) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:04] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@adsl-76-208-66-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-70-28-46.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@adsl-76-208-66-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:06] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: exit error code 434 [16:06] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] palesimian_Athle (d170e902@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.112.233.2) joined ##slackware. [16:07] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:07] palesimian_Athle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: spammers [16:10] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@adsl-76-208-66-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] nyRednek: my sister-in-law was editing a document in OOo3.1 (installed on 32 bit Slackware 13.0 and she was in firefox looking something up. After she visited a suspicious website and went to save and close the document it crashed in OOo but that's the only document that now does that [16:13] I looked to see if OOo has the equivalent of vim's swap files... which it seems to, but even deleting that doesn't seem to work... There is essentially no error report that tells the user what the issue is and I cannot find a similar issue on OOo's site [16:14] SigmaVirus24: .odt file? [16:14] No, .doc [16:15] tried to copy the file on another machine? [16:15] No, haven't yet, guess I should [16:16] what can I do for 13.1 bugs?! [16:17] there are no bugs [16:17] lol [16:17] only zuul, right thrice? [16:18] sounds like the iraqi infomation minister :) he was fun [16:18] lol rachael [16:18] nvision (~nvision@p54BF36C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:18] exit doesn't work in TWM [16:18] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-59-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] That's strange [16:20] should really get that g5 back up and running, this g4 800mhz takes ages to compile on [16:21] nader: use blackbox :P [16:22] SigmaVirus24: try to get the text from wordview [16:22] SigmaVirus24: and paste the text into a new .odt(openoffice native format) [16:22] Ok [16:22] Does wordview come with Slack13.0 by default or with OOo [16:23] SigmaVirus24: just a sec [16:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-7-150.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:23] thanks [16:24] mighty1 (~mighty1@c-24-130-134-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] quick question, anyone able to watch videos on cbsnews.com with slackware? [16:25] with firefox [16:25] klaasvakie (~johann@vc-41-30-6-213.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [16:26] one seck mighty1 [16:26] let me check [16:26] mm new seagate 1.5TB drive shows up as "block.is_volume = false" in HAL, has anyone else seen this? [16:26] SigmaVirus24: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/office/antiword/ [16:27] mighty1: no problems here [16:27] appearance hangs in KDE when chose widget style GTK+ [16:28] SigmaVirus24 thanks, i guess there's something wrong with my slackware or firefox :\ [16:28] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:28] mighty1: which version of slack and ffx? [16:29] mighty1: have you installed flash? [16:29] 13.1 and 3.6.6 with noscript and cookiesafe [16:29] mighty1: x86 or x86_64? [16:29] yea flash too [16:29] x86 [16:29] you sure noscript isn't blocking it? [16:29] nah [16:29] (I assume you know how to use it) [16:29] mighty1: the noscript my have something to do with it [16:30] I'm inclined to agree with nyRednek. Flash videos are sometimes loaded with javascript things, which I assume is what noscript blocks [16:30] I remembered I disabled it but still didn't work [16:30] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:30] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [16:30] i'm not on sw right now, I'll go home later and mess with it [16:31] mighty1: i have FlashBlocker on ffx 3.6.6 [16:31] and the image i clicked on [16:31] oh [16:31] must have been a javascript which then opened the flash container... so it may be NoScript still [16:31] *flashblock [16:31] Reav_ (~Sarge@41.221.87.249) joined ##slackware. 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[16:39] dustybin: lvm can be used for that [16:39] ace :D [16:40] dustybin: the problem, i haven't seen a lvm-capable default kernel [16:40] dustybin: so you *may* want to put lvm into a custom kernel before loading that [16:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:41] aye ok [16:41] It's not a kernel issue at all. You need the lvm userspace stuff [16:41] (in the initrd) [16:41] shad0w193 (1000@drh189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] rworkman: oh, right... [16:41] The stock kernel supports LVM just fine, but it's useless without the userspace tools. [16:42] rworkman: ok, thanks [16:42] rworkman: i'm not that familiar with it, tbh [16:42] yw :) [16:42] Hi, is there anyone from Poland? [16:42] nyRednek: see README_LVM.TXT on the mirror; it's good reading (as is README_CRYPT.TXT) [16:43] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) left irc: Read error: Connection refused [16:43] rworkman: if i need either, i'll take a look [16:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [16:44] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [16:47] another problem can't go back to X with ctrl+alt+F7 ... [16:48] klaasvakie (johann@vc-41-30-6-213.umts.vodacom.co.za) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:49] Roin (~florian@p5B2BBA94.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:50] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.52) joined ##slackware. [16:51] shad0w193 (1000@drh189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:53] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:55] stokachu (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: EPIC5-1.1.2[1638] - amnesiac : Do the gene pool a service... Add a bucket of chlorine today! [16:55] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.6) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@adsl-76-208-66-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [17:00] nyRednek: I haven't tried that other solution yet, however, I've found the website that she visited when OOo started acting up [17:00] I'm no HTML/Javascript person but is it possible that it has some kind of malware on there that infects any open .doc files? [17:00] SigmaVirus24: it's possible [17:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Client Quit [17:01] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] but i'm unaware how that would play out on linux [17:02] Same here [17:02] I just don't feel like ruling out any possible issues [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-71.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] artaud_ (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:03] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [17:04] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [17:04] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [17:04] nvision (~nvision@g225062023.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:05] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:07] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [17:07] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [17:08] anyone ever heard of prego monster script? [17:08] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [17:09] dermoth (thomas@205.151.111.9) left ##slackware. [17:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.18) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:11] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:11] what is your favourite RAID personality for storage drives? [17:12] Destructo (~chatzilla@64.134.103.107) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100214235838] [17:12] 1 [17:15] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:16] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D15C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] OddTheCat (~chatzilla@173-24-168-161.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:21] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] dustybin: what type of storage [17:22] HD Video / Music etc [17:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] to do what with ? [17:23] in the general case, my answer would be raid-Z. that doesn't tell you anything [17:23] Nick change: artaud_ -> artaud [17:23] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:24] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:24] raid-Z ? [17:25] anyone know good ways of scanning networks you're signed onto for other devices on it? [17:25] nmap? [17:25] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qgtkboheopmreefw) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:25] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [17:25] thanks CtrlAltCa [17:25] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [17:25] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [17:25] I never sign on to networks [17:25] Reav_ (~Sarge@41.221.87.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:25] I'm travelling and curious [17:26] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:26] nader (nader@85.133.204.104) left ##slackware. [17:26] good way to get in shit if it isn't your network heh [17:26] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] NyteOwl: you mean trouble? [17:27] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] NyteOwl: network admins rarely ever kneecap you anymore [17:28] they prefer tazing these days [17:28] so true [17:28] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:28] adaptr: kneecaps are old school (I tend to be). a 12gu just takes the elg off at the hip :) [17:28] s/gu/ga/g [17:29] ok i'm back on kde XD [17:29] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.160.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:29] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [17:29] m3tti: why?! :P [17:29] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:29] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:29] use xfce or blackbox :P [17:29] ah don't know i'm to lazy XD [17:30] lol [17:30] and kde with no effects just works fine and fast for me [17:30] that's true [17:30] hosomaki (~drg@host210-120-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [17:30] that reminds me - I have to get rid of the stupid window shading stuff, it annoys me [17:30] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] for presentations the wobly window fading thingy is quite nice [17:31] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.168.110) joined ##slackware. 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[17:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVq0HdiM-Ok [17:38] crazy shit [17:41] blaines (~blaines@wsip-98-174-253-36.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:43] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:43] poor tomato [17:49] killer business cards [17:49] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:50] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:51] the screens were weak. perhaps the resoution sucked, but I could not see any damage [17:51] just made me think of how different the business card scene in American Psycho could have been.... [17:53] i use Linux MDADM RAID-1 & LVM for my slackware os system drive [17:53] would my system start to slow down if i add another Linux MDADM RAID-5 & LVM array for storage drives? [17:54] dustybin: by the mere fact of adding more storage? no. that would be silly and not logical [17:54] now, if you're talking about using those, then it's another story [17:54] my system is pretty modern and fast [17:54] Hostname: server - OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.280 MHz) - Processes: 267 - Uptime: 9d 7h 3m - Load Average: 0.01 - Memory Usage: 456.99MB/3702.39MB (12.34%) - Disk Usage: 453.08GB/1272.04GB (35.62%) [17:54] dustybin: your specs do not matter [17:55] i dont need fast read / writes [17:55] it will only be me using it [17:55] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [17:56] dustybin: there is no connection between adding your storage and your existing system slowing down [17:56] ace :D [17:56] there is a connection if you're talking about using that storage [17:56] what is that connection? [17:56] system wipeout? [17:56] dustybin: huh? [17:57] im only fooling.. [17:57] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] i guess i will not know until i try [17:57] sinuhe (~sinuhe@64.206.58.114) joined ##slackware. [17:57] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message! [17:57] can linux raid handle 2 different raid personailities on 1 box? [17:57] dustybin: i think you're not asking the right question, and you're approaching it from some odd perspective like 'if i install more software, will my system slow down' [17:57] dustybin: of course [17:57] or should i opt for a dedicated raid card [17:58] aye ok [17:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-7-150.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:58] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] linux can handle as many as you want. whether your hardware can keep up with simultanuous use of all of them, it's another story [17:58] again, having it does not equal using it [17:58] thats what im worried about [17:58] i guess there are a lot of factors involved [17:59] CPU + Mobo bandwidth + Sata bandwidth etc [17:59] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FFF2E17.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [17:59] bingo. and you're expecting a simple yes/no answer, which is not going to happen [17:59] there are indeed. for raid-10, you could easily handle 20 drives on a single-core CPU. for raid-5, less so. for raid-6, get a quad-core [17:59] aye indeed [17:59] interesting [17:59] Action: ananke looks at his latest: panfs://192.168.2.10:global 61T 91G 60T 1% /panfs [18:00] I currently have 2x 4disk raid-5 on a single-core celeron. it doesn't hit 50% [18:00] my RAID 1 hardly eats any CPU at all [18:00] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:00] raid1 doesn't need cpu [18:00] dustybin: that's unsurprising. it's the cheapest raid level in terms of CPU [18:00] Skywise: it needs some [18:00] ok [18:01] ananke: how many disks is that ? [18:01] the other raids require doing a checksums and then writing to the correct devices [18:01] and wtf is panfs [18:01] raid1 just takes doing 2 writes [18:01] Skywise: and splitting reads. [18:01] raid 0 does that [18:01] adaptr: i think it's 80TB raw with 2TB drives [18:01] ananke: not in one box [18:01] adaptr: nah. two boxes. [18:02] and panfs is a parallel network filesystem [18:02] striping over the network ? [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] adaptr: their own interconnect, 10GE. we're accessing it over qdr ib [18:03] nasty [18:03] so that's 40gbit ? [18:04] i'm getting about 600MB/s writes, and 850MB/s reads [actual storage i/o], which is not bad [18:04] yep [18:04] for how many clients ? [18:04] right now it will be just 8 compute nodes + 1 head node, it will grow later [storage will grow too] [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421342.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:05] we get 900MB easy from our DS4700, but that's not with 40gbit of client interface :) [18:05] nice thing about it is cache coherency [18:05] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:05] adaptr: qdr IB will be also used for other things, such as mpi [18:05] who cares ? you could service a small country with that [18:05] and i'm betting this is a bit cheaper than ds4700 [18:05] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Action: adaptr didn't know mpi could talk over ib.. no clue what kind of transport protocol that uses [18:06] this storage is served via ip over ib, but yeah, mpi can use IB as a transport [18:06] ananke: the DS4700 with "only" 16x300GB FC was about 15K, I think [18:07] but that includes dual 4gb FC controllers active/active, so 8gb effective if you connect enough spindles :) [18:07] adaptr: for this project i needed both performance and capacity, at a low cost. not to mention ability to expand. so 4.8TB raw wouldn't even be considered :) [18:07] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip* expired. [18:08] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:08] yeah... the DS4700 can easily expand, but it can't offer 40gbit access [18:08] this uses sata drives, not sure what speeds [i could check]. [18:08] although I'd need only 5 cabinets to top your drive count, and thence your IOPS :) [18:09] and we need IOPS (vmware) [18:10] i used to configure those SAN's for HPC [18:10] except i'd be missing a key function: nas & parallel filesystem, since ds4700 is only offering block i/o over fc [18:10] god, i hate me some fc. draconian pricing on per port [18:11] true dat. however, we're just a simple firm, without costly experience and knowledge you seem to have [18:11] and we truly don't need 80TB :) [18:12] i'm actually debating over using IB in the future as the only interconnect for storage, and get rid of our fc san infrastructure [mcdata/qlogic switches, ibm/rackable/pillar storage] [18:12] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:13] we're primarily a windows shop, so we get stuff that supports windows well. infiniband...dunno [18:13] adaptr: if you've heard of lustrefs, panfs is similar [same roots] [18:13] aha [18:13] isn't lustre a sort of re-dev of AFS ? or through-dev [18:14] massively distributed [18:14] one person went to develop lustrefs and open sourced it, other went closed source and commercial route [18:14] i have just noticed something regarding my setup [18:14] md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdc1[1] [18:15] lustrefs is probably closer to gpfs. besides being distributed, key thing is parallel access. so cache coherency is very important [18:15] it should say, sda1 & sdb1 could this cause a problem? [18:15] dustybin: do you have an sdb1 ? [18:15] while lustrefs has a dedicated metadata server, panfs stores that metadata on the storage nodes [18:15] ananke: sounds moar better redundily [18:15] adaptr: yes, it is a another drive in my setup, not my system drives [18:16] dustybin: then you're probably hosing the wrong drive [18:16] adaptr: it is better, and more refined [18:16] license costs ? [18:16] adaptr: i can access my other drive no probem [18:16] sbs` (~sbs@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:16] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:16] dustybin: then why do you say that it SHOULD use sdb1 [18:16] Action: dustybin worries an fdisks in to make sure [18:16] it obviously ISN'T [18:17] theres something wrong with that array cause there should be a [0] and a [1] [18:17] not both [1] [18:17] nm [18:17] Action: adaptr hands Skywise his glasses [18:17] lol [18:17] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] give 'em back [18:17] Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes [18:17] Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes [18:17] phew [18:18] i wonder why sdb didnt get used [18:18] Sauron|Out (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [18:19] i would think sdb would be the slave on the first ide bus [18:19] sdc is the primary on the 2nd bus [18:19] these are sata drives [18:19] With udev, it's configurable. [18:19] all my drives are sata [18:19] oh ok [18:20] maybe i plugged them into the wrong ports on the mobo [18:20] You could make the primary drive on the only ide controller /dev/hdf if you wanted to. [18:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:20] but that would be crazy [18:20] dustybin: dmesg | grep sdb [18:20] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-47-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:21] http://paste.debian.net/80383/plain/80383 [18:21] its my mythtv recordings drive [18:21] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:22] Nick change: Sauron|Out -> BiCHiTo [18:25] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[18:40] hi troy, how are you? [18:41] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] fire|bird: have any idea about my question? [18:43] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:43] iceheart, No I don't, sorry. [18:44] thx fire|bird [18:44] tsomi (~tsomi@lns-bzn-58-82-251-215-253.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:45] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:46] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:46] turk182 (~turk182@unaffiliated/turk182) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:47] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:47] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:48] fire|bird: laundry day :/ [18:48] fire|bird: other than that, I'm great! [18:49] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:50] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Action: troy notes that qt4.7beta2 is out - wonders if he should see if he can update his slackbuild... [18:51] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] chee (~chee@unaffiliated/chee) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:51] LJS (~frank@75.171.83-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:52] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [18:53] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:54] troy: hows it going? [18:54] vbatts: great! :) [18:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-47-86.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:54] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] good good. [18:55] vbatts: mostly fooling around with kde trying to see if I can break the release candidates :) [18:55] interesting about your thread the other day re: UK lobbyist [18:55] :) [18:55] vbatts: you interested? :P [18:55] troy: http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.92/ [18:56] Entulho (~foo@187.52.147.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:56] vbatts: a bunch of us sat down at akademy this year and pondered, how do we take the fight (for open source/freesoftware/KDE/etc.) to the people instead of just continuing to preach to the choir [18:56] troy: i would love to push for a large scale deployment. but i am about as proximate as you are [18:56] vbatts: conclusions were that we need to start getting our folks into more powerful positions :) [18:57] troy: indeed [18:57] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:57] vbatts: I mean, we have huge deployments elsewhere, but they are mostly non-english [18:57] thats the route i'm [slowly] working toward [18:57] tsomi (~tsomi@lns-bzn-32-82-254-0-146.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] 50 million+ in brazil - our biggest deployment [18:58] not slackware, but KDE rather (I have many hats these days) [18:58] :) [18:58] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] there are plenty of slackers in .br too [18:58] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:59] vbatts: yep - met one at akademy :) [18:59] another KDE slacker? [18:59] vbatts: I'm not the only kde hacker on slack :) [18:59] vbatts: not only that, he was wearing slackware gear :) [18:59] woot woot [19:00] Action: vbatts grabs more salsa [19:00] Action: vbatts back [19:00] troy: name? [19:00] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:00] vbatts: Artur Souza aka MoRpHeUz or something like that [19:01] I see him in kde channels all the time, but he's an amazing guy in person [19:01] http://www.as20xx.blogspot.com/ ? [19:02] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] .... 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[19:06] vbatts: he's a big slacker anyway :) [19:06] good [19:06] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:07] it's good for you, it's part of a balanced diet [19:07] alienBOB: just to humbly "inform" You: reading slackpkg.conf (as well as the script 'source'), it looks like this great tool is intended to work with Slackware derived distros too; I have already written the small script that automaticaly creates MANIFEST.bz2, FILE_LIST, CHECKSUMS.md5 and PACKATES.TXT files. [19:07] balanced diet! that's like finding the fine balance between beer and pizza, right? [19:07] groo (~groo@201-92-144-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:07] groo (~groo@201-92-144-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] :) it's the balance that keeps the diet "regular" ;) [19:08] Wish everybody a great evening / night ! 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I'm really just concerned with downloading and installing security updates quickly on servers I don't use heavily [19:16] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.223.55) joined ##slackware. [19:17] sef, register for security update notices (go to the slackware site) and go from there [19:17] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7FDB6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] you can also go to the OSU site [19:17] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:17] and as far as tools, "upgradepkg" is your friend [19:17] sef, use, 'slackpkg' [19:17] er, yes * [19:17] hey thrice` [19:18] hi [19:18] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] ah ok, that's what I've done in the past, join the appropriate mailing list and manually download and install packages [19:18] slackpkg looks great, assuming its pretty stable at this point [19:19] it's shipped with slackware as the official tool, so lets hope so [19:19] heh ok cool [19:19] sinuhe (~sinuhe@64.206.58.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:19] and has been for many many versions [19:19] NyteOwl, many many = a couple? :> [19:20] more than a couple [19:21] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:21] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:21] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:22] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [19:22] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-241-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [19:22] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. 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[19:39] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:42] blaines (~blaines@95.sub-75-244-165.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:45] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:46] batmayne (~wat@r74-192-172-76.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] I was upgrading to 13.1 from 13.0 from slackpkg and everything went fine til I rebooted. I got a kernel panic error. What are my options? Should I burn a copy of 13.1 on a cd and just install the kernel off of that? Is there another option? Or am I screwed? [19:48] batmayne, you run lilo? [19:48] Yes sir [19:48] Guest86794 (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [19:49] it automatically ran lilo for me after the updates [19:49] batmayne: did you see the CHANGES_AND_HINTS? Specifically, the fstab and kernel upgrade section. There's more work to do. [19:49] batmayne, you can run live cd and chroot to your system and fix if you know what's problem [19:49] Ouch. No I didn't [19:49] easy stuff- check that doc and do what bitlord mentioned. [19:50] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:51] Nick change: Guest86794 -> cybErpunk [19:52] batmayne: look at the errors above the kernel panic. see if it sees your storage [19:54] crocket (1000@147.47.227.197) joined ##slackware. [19:54] I want to delete 'default' entry from the routing table by executing "route del default", but an error is generated when I execute it. [19:54] Why did "route del default" fail? [19:55] "default gw" [19:55] ??? [19:55] bosth (~ben@95.65.130.153) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:55] Will "route del default gw" work? [19:56] try it [19:56] ok [19:56] crocket (1000@147.47.227.197) left irc: Client Quit [19:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:58] crocket (1000@147.47.227.197) joined ##slackware. [19:58] 'route del default gw' didn't work. [19:58] I added the route to default by "route add default gw xxx netmask 255.255.255.0" [19:58] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-72-86-11-104.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Would "route add default netmask" work? [19:59] can you pastebin `route -n`? [19:59] huh [19:59] wait [20:02] bosth (~ben@95.65.129.42) joined ##slackware. [20:02] http://www.pastebin.org/392837 [20:02] chipster : look [20:02] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [20:03] crocket: I said `route -n`. [20:03] you tried to do a netstat -nr likely [20:03] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:03] oops [20:04] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.235.32) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:05] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:06] Yeah I think I see where my problem is now. I didn't edit fstab and check lilo.conf to see if it's pointing to the right partition [20:06] Moment of truth. [20:06] batmayne: yep :) [20:06] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Such simple things go unnoticed. I should eat moar fiber to stay active. [20:06] chipster: http://www.pastebin.org/392853/ [20:07] frosted mini wheats [20:07] I'll keep y'all posted. [20:07] batmayne (~wat@r74-192-172-76.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: [20:07] red_blue (~nihao@114.89.36.103) joined ##slackware. [20:08] crocket: route del -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 147.47.227.1 [20:09] why -net 0.0.0.0? [20:09] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:09] you want to get rid of the duplicate/incorrect routes, no? [20:10] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [20:10] how about "route del default netmask 255.255.255.0"? [20:10] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:11] iceheart (~nihao@114.89.36.103) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:12] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:12] hi guys... I've got some problems with vim, I mean I run it and it starts, i exit and re-run vim and it crashes the shell... doesn't even let EOF to quit [20:12] the only thing I must do is killing the process with kill -9 $VIM'SPID [20:13] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-2.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] I'm using zsh, but I ran bash to start it and doesn't change anything, tried to reinstall it but nothing, I don't even have a .vimrc file in my home [20:16] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-72-86-11-104.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [20:17] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.221.53) joined ##slackware. [20:23] nvision (~nvision@g225062023.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:24] batmayne (~wat@r74-192-172-76.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Mission unsuccessful [20:25] batmayne, what kernel panic says or messages before after it? [20:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:25] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [20:26] It asked me to append a correct "root" boot option and gives me the available partitions. I correctly pointed it to /dev/sda2/ in both /etc/fstab and in lilo.conf. The message after the kernel panic is Pid; 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.33.4-smp #2 [20:27] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [20:27] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:27] bosth (~ben@95.65.129.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:28] bosth (~ben@95.65.161.128) joined ##slackware. [20:29] I didn't run lilo after I editted. Is this my problem? [20:30] I think I might solved my issue here. Just not paying enough attention [20:30] or maybe it's something else? [20:30] batmayne, after editing lilo.conf? [20:30] crocket (1000@147.47.227.197) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:30] yeah [20:30] I forgot to run lilo while chrooted [20:31] should I go back to do this? [20:31] I think you must run it when changing settings [20:31] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] nyRednek: I don't really know what LJS was talking about but, generally speaking, sbopkg will work with a local repo. It's not just SBo. [20:31] batmayne, I don't remember maybe you need /dev and /proc in chroot [20:32] but the update feature would require the user to update his own info files, so wouldn't be reall useful for that [20:32] slakmagik: ok, thanks for correcting me on that [20:33] okay i'm going back in right quick to see if i find my problem [20:33] batmayne (~wat@r74-192-172-76.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: [20:34] nyRednek: weclome [20:34] s/cl/lc/ [20:34] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [20:35] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [20:48] New exciting errors. It happens when reading the root filesystem. /sbin/fsck: error while loading shared libraries: libblkid.so.l. It continues to say no such file or directory. It gives me the option to login as a single-user to fix the issue or I can continue with normal setup. The problem is that it locks up my keyboard and forces me to wait til it automaticallys terminates and reboots. [20:48] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] red_blue (~nihao@114.89.36.103) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:50] Nick change: maco -> maco2 [20:53] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:54] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:56] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:00] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.39) joined ##slackware. [21:02] batmayne, so, you did an incomplete slackware update or something? [21:03] No. I probably didn't do all that I should after I upgraded though [21:03] I disagree :) [21:03] You may be right. [21:03] do you have access to /var/log/packages/ ? [21:04] I could probably put back in the livecd and get all the info you need [21:05] well, it sounds like you didn't update the util-linux-ng package to what it should be, so fsck can't run like it needs to [21:05] What will set me on the right track then? [21:06] you did an upgrade from 13.0 -> 13.1, or? [21:06] 13 -> 13,1 [21:08] libblkid.so is from util-linux-ng; i'd definitely see if that got updated like it should have. if not, I'd be curious what else might have been missed :) [21:08] oh lord [21:08] Should I just burn a copy of 13.1 and start all over? [21:09] that doesn't like like a learning experience ;) your choice [21:09] util-linux-ng-2.17.2 is what should be installed [21:10] I rather just patched it up if its possible [21:10] otherwise, you can try and disable the fsck by changing the last number in /etc/fstab to a "0" ; that might help you at least boot [21:10] and then i just just install everything once in slack? [21:11] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Quit: Deuces. [21:11] well, upgrade, but sure [21:11] you mean redo the upgrade? [21:11] how did you upgrade, btw? [21:11] slackpkg [21:11] very strange :( were you on 32-bit, or 64-bit ? [21:12] 32 [21:12] ok [21:13] well, you can boot to a liveCD and try to edit /etc/fstab, and check the version of util-linux-ng, which is where that shared-object file originates [21:14] Alright I'm going to go try that out. [21:15] batmayne (~wat@r74-192-172-76.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: [21:15] mount the partition, and 'ls /mnt/var/log/packages/util-linux*' . it should read 2.17.2, and be for i486. my guess is one of those is not the case :) [21:20] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:22] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [21:24] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:25] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [21:26] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.33.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:28] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:02] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.221.53) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:04] herbz: isn't it on slackbuilds.org? [22:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:04] ya that is where I got it from bro [22:04] ya it requires TK not TCL but same company [22:04] ah [22:04] it is good code, i liked the program before, just used a lot of cpu [22:05] so I got a newer computer and was all ready to run amsn with the new slackware [22:05] and still i could not get amsn to work, so i just got msn on my phone now [22:06] i dont like amsn.. im using just kopete [22:06] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:06] pidgin is good too [22:09] ya i got it from slack builds [22:09] i think i will try source or something [22:09] kopete maybe is better ya, i am going to try that thanks [22:09] TK lots of cpu lol [22:09] Nick change: nyRednek -> jewbacca [22:09] I prefer pidgin over kopete tro be honust [22:09] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:10] newbieslacker (~cahin@host199.190-31-104.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:10] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:11] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] nyRednek (~user@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.217.81) joined ##slackware. [22:11] amsn requires dcl as well :) [22:11] tcl* [22:11] el_lobo--d-_-b :auuuuu [22:12] XD [22:12] u guys use xchat? [22:12] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.14.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:12] or what to irc? [22:12] herbz i use xchat and irssi [22:12] i use irssi and konversation. [22:12] well, i usually use irssi, but i'm trying to figure out erc [22:13] erc nyRednek ? [22:13] it is new ? [22:13] emacs' own irc client [22:13] b1nd3r (~John@189.34.23.135) joined ##slackware. [22:13] herbz: i use irssi [22:13] Irssi 0.8.14 (20090728) - http://irssi.org/ [22:14] herbz: i dont like gui clients for irc [22:14] well, i use ircII at work and used to use BitchX [22:14] but, i don't need to /window next for every channel that I am in [22:14] amorphis (~qwe@212.58.178.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:14] and at my house, i would rather see a graphical display of over 100 channels [22:15] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] newbieslacker: not really new [22:15] auuuu [22:15] newbieslacker: \o [22:15] newbieslacker: emacs based [22:15] I think i even got xchat from slackpkg [22:16] anyone know how to build a minimal system with x ? [22:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:16] i need something really light with slack [22:16] blaines (~blaines@75-171-89-104.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [22:18] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:21] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:25] anyone know how to build a minimal system with x ? [22:25] nyRednek (~user@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] ya [22:25] i just use a wm and not gnome or kde [22:25] that is what drags stuff down [22:25] like i am in pekwm [22:25] yes [22:26] i like something like that fox example [22:26] slack with icewm + finch + irssi + mpd [22:26] but the problem is [22:26] the libs , and the basic programs [22:26] is and old computer [22:26] with only 5gb [22:27] i install slackware with kde4, and my install is under 3gb [22:27] 3gb thrice ? [22:28] but i did the same with the menu option [22:28] and use like 4 gb [22:28] try harder :) [22:28] bosth (~ben@95.65.161.128) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:29] i get confuse when i have to choose [22:29] the options to install [22:30] I just install disk one [22:30] and pekwm [22:30] bosth (~ben@95.65.161.128) joined ##slackware. [22:30] nyRednek (~user@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:31] disk one doesn't come with X, so i'm not sure how you pull that off :) [22:32] i read the slackwiki [22:32] to install the minimal [22:33] off-topic: anybody use openfire with plugin kraken to provide connection a gateway MSN ? [22:33] Redness (~redness@c122-108-213-51.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:33] Redness (~redness@c122-108-213-51.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [22:34] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [22:36] nobody use openfire ? [22:37] not for that [22:38] nyRednek (~user@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [22:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:41] damn is it just me or is asia getting more and more extreme weather? [22:42] stu_, probably just you [22:42] cnn is just loaded with weather related disasters in asia, which didn't use to happen [22:42] how can you tell unless it started to rain fire or something [22:42] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] you don't have a good memory, pacific typhoons are 2 to 3 times bigger then a hurricane in the atlantic [22:43] well singapore used to be a fairly normal country but last month there was a flood [22:44] the end is near! [22:44] they built a dual purpose highway tunnel in signapore to deal with flooding [22:44] they can close down the highway and turn it into a giant 3 level sewer [22:45] stu_: end of world in 2012 [22:46] until 2012.. weather is very fucking crazy [22:46] stu_: where u from ? [22:47] skycrash_, malaysia, was working in singapore but i came back to change careers [22:47] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) joined ##slackware. [22:47] the service industry just isn't cutting it in this part of the world. gonna try to hit the books and go corporate [22:47] Heya,folks [22:49] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [22:49] heya MLanden [22:49] right.. [22:49] im from brazil [22:49] heya, trhodes [22:51] how come slakcware doesn't come with a gnome anymore? [22:51] they had a fight [22:51] and are there alternatives... [22:51] gnome took too much work for Pat [22:51] kde, but there is a gnome project for slack on the net [22:51] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-69.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Orlov: http://lwn.net/Articles/129282/ [22:53] trhodes: ah stellar! [22:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Orlov: what's your opinion on other gtk wm/de's such as xfce or lxde? [22:55] i hate kde and gnome [22:56] i just use enlightenment [22:56] I use notepad.exe [22:56] chipster: lol [22:56] lxde is like xp [22:56] MLanden: i like xfce not playied with lxde, guesslooking a bit more for somethin fuller than xfce, themachine can handlei t [22:56] i prefer icewm [22:57] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:58] anybody use Enlightenment too ? [22:58] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:58] Skaperen, fuck yea [22:58] Orlov: hear ya..good luck in your search [22:59] skycrash_, fuck yea [22:59] Orlov: you have used enlightenment ? [22:59] slackin: lol [22:59] MLanden: thx [22:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] skycrash_: nah [23:00] Orlov: is best for me.. [23:00] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-69.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [23:00] Orlov: take a look, www.enlightenment.org [23:01] skycrash_, brazil is a very interesting country [23:02] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] skycrash_, i <3 E [23:02] ive used e forever now [23:03] slackin: i have used since.. version e16 [23:03] tuvok302Lappy (~Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-69.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] wonder how the ecomorph(patch e17 + compiz) is coming along...last check,still seemed beta..though not a bad concept [23:03] skycrash_, they are STILL on e16 [23:03] lmfao [23:03] STILL [23:03] slackin: all months i do a upgrade from svn [23:03] :D [23:03] 10 years later [23:04] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] bosth (~ben@95.65.161.128) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:04] slackin: you have a screenshot ? [23:05] bosth (~ben@95.65.161.128) joined ##slackware. [23:05] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [23:06] slackin: i have a screenshot from last year, when i used gentoo with E17 [23:06] skycrash_, not anymore [23:06] slackin: http://skycrash.deviantart.com/art/Gentoo-Enlightenment-115700315?q=gallery:skycrash/967651&qo=13 [23:08] skycrash_, nice [23:10] :) [23:11] well.. i need go sleep [23:11] good night for all [23:11] bye! 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[23:20] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:23] 4.x [23:26] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] hey fhobia [23:26] nyRednek: ok [23:26] oh, the version of palmos? 3.5.2 [23:27] nyRednek: might be a workaround with winetricks...YMMV [23:27] MLanden: yeah, ymmv [23:33] tuvok302Lappy (~Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-69.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [23:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:38] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:39] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [23:40] gniks (sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left ##slackware. [23:40] afjkhsdaf (~asdfasdfs@cm72.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:42] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-69.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] anyone really good with screen? [23:44] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:44] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:49] hello all [23:49] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:49] heya, shonudo [23:50] hey MLanden [23:50] apologies to all for sunday evening and all day monday... i guess i was celebrating the mundial win a bit too well [23:50] lol [23:50] (hopefully no one took ANY advice i offered seriously) [23:50] :) [23:51] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.235.32) joined ##slackware. [23:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. 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