[00:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [00:00] theres quite a bit between .6.3 and .5 [00:01] dive, when u sad, needs investigating :D http://www.funniestjokester.com/videoPlaying.php?i_vId=978 [00:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:02] pupit, haha good one [00:02] :) [00:02] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.96.141.78) joined ##slackware. [00:06] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Which software is easier to set up for remote-viewing/controlling a Windows computer? [00:06] X11VNC? GTK-VNC? [00:07] redtricycle, i've been using vncviewer for my needs [00:08] what about rdesktop ? [00:09] you can control a remote desktop with vncviewer? [00:10] vncserver, iirc, but the answer is "yes" [00:10] vnc can control a remote desktop [00:11] Nick change: ^kleanchap -> kleanchap [00:12] Almightygare (i=1001@c-67-190-99-88.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:45] does anyone know why im getting permission denied when i try to ./ a slackbuild as root? [00:46] Because it's not set as +x? [00:46] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:249) left irc: "Leaving" [00:46] SIGBUS__ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:47] coldcog, chmod +x it [00:47] thanks guys, how do you know when you have to do that? cause this is the first slackbuild ive had to with [00:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:48] well if you ls it it will show as green if it's executable [00:48] that could be the problem, all my text is green in my terminal :p [00:49] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] ls -l [00:49] well that makes life harder [00:49] what happens if you chmod +x something thats already executable? haha [00:49] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) left irc: "Leaving." [00:50] It becomes more executable. [00:50] lol [00:50] and the bits overflow [00:50] extra executable yesss [00:50] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [00:50] and then you have a stack overrun [00:51] Seriously: nothing. [00:51] basically would it be bad in any case to be in the habit of +x ing it every time? [00:51] Stanto (n=Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] No. [00:51] good deal ill do that then [00:51] If you got that from SBo, I'd like for you to send a mail to the list so that we can fix it in the tarball [00:51] :) [00:51] i got it from... [00:51] and if it's my pidgin slackbuild I just fixed it :P [00:51] :) [00:52] thats what it was yes [00:52] sorry for all the stupid questions guys... [00:52] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] alias b='sh ./*.SlackBuild' [00:52] im just really enjoying this new slackware world im in haha [00:52] or maybe without the ./ [00:53] alias b='sh *.SlackBuild' [00:53] i installed lua build edje can't find lua [00:55] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] installed slack 13 k3b buggy so upgraded k3b [00:56] any reps or packages to upgrade kde4 [00:58] just chmod +x *.SlackBuild [00:59] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Tabmow (i=terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [01:00] yayyy 2.6.5 now :) [01:01] Almightygare, in /usr/lib/pkgconfig,is there a lua.pc? [01:05] ok [01:05] padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [01:06] dwnloaded one those slackpkg [01:06] amazingly it found it [01:07] pkgconfig is confusing [01:09] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@94.26.46.30) joined ##slackware. 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[01:49] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] damn overflow bits must have wiped the room. [01:54] Nick change: pieta -> Raa [01:55] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [01:56] sure they didn't just hit the bit bucket too hard? [01:56] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/divide_by_zero.jpg [01:57] hah [01:57] lol [01:57] howdy slckrs [01:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434498.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:58] heh [01:58] funny pic [01:59] brb [01:59] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: "Real_Life();" [01:59] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.96.141.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Are the devs ever planning on mainstreaming that update to slackpkg upgrade-all? The one that brings the complexity down to O(n) instead of O(n²) or whatever it is now? It's absurdly slow. [02:03] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:03] PiterPunk, ^ [02:05] hiptobecubic: have you written a patch yet? ;) [02:06] BP{k}, i only know about it because there's already one in lq [02:06] yeah been on lq for a while now [02:06] dive: that part in your index.php that displays the download link for source is smart. I'm not understanding how it works though, how would you get it so it would so (if != "") for x86_64 url as well? [02:06] aha [02:06] dunno let me look at it [02:10] B0BBY (n=slackwar@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:10] Hello People. [02:10] alienBlurb (i=3351@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:11] agentc0re, you would need to do something like $dl_32 = explode("=", $pass1[3]); $dl_64 = explode("=", $pass1[5]); then show both below the page [02:11] hi BLOBBY [02:12] er B0BBY [02:12] :P [02:12] :-) [02:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:12] so the pass1[5], 5 means the line that it exists on? [02:12] alienBlurb (i=3351@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [02:12] yep [02:12] I'll have a go an test it [02:12] gimme a few secs [02:12] dive: duh, i was counting starting at 1, not 0 [02:13] agentc0re, actually you would need more than that cos of the preg_replace(s) [02:13] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [02:14] morr (i=morr@prozac.bsdzine.org) left ##slackware ("pink timeout"). [02:14] dive: ya, but i think it kind of triggered in my head when you said what you did. :D [02:15] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [02:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:17] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.86) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:18] dive: http://learnix.net/slackbuilds/aqemu/13.0/ [02:19] looks a bit bad [02:19] shoudl be space before source link [02:19] I thought I fixed it [02:20] anyway I have an improved index.php now [02:20] lol [02:20] found a great hack: 'php index.php | elinks -dump -no-references' [02:20] goodbye apache [02:22] agentc0re, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/files/index.tar.gz [02:24] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.200.168) left irc: "Leaving" [02:25] dive: whats the difference besides the 64bit link addon? [02:25] agentc0re, try putting a newline in the readme [02:25] no diff [02:25] slackbuild readme or .README? [02:25] if cdrom is one of your groups should your cdrom not mount when you put a disk in? [02:26] slackbuild README [02:26] because it's all on one line in that example [02:26] could do with formatting [02:26] coldcog: only if it's polling will it detect when a cdrom is plugged in [02:26] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:26] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:27] dive: ya, cut and pasted from the website and kate wordwraps. forgot to fix that. heh. [02:27] agentc0re, yeah that's better [02:28] agentc0re, my version says 32/64 Source Download so the lines are aligned nicely :P [02:28] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:36] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:37] agentc0re, btw those links are direct links to source, they go to download page [02:37] are not* [02:38] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] dive: Oh, thanks. Ya i didn't submit this to SBo because well... it sucks. but i took the time to be frustrated so i put it here. i gave up on it, the damn thing didn't work right and i am super glad i started to use virt-manager instead. 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[02:44] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-156-113.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:44] dive: i haven't updated it since i got my better pc working. before, i was trying all that on my netbook. I want to check it out again though, that's for sure. have you tried it lately? [02:45] no not had the chance/interest [02:45] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:50] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [02:50] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-156-113.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] heya MLanden [02:50] heya,fire|bird [02:51] fire|bird, how's it going? [02:51] interesting - konqueror doesn't see the lahf.so plugin as a mozilla plugin [02:51] MLanden: great, thanks. you? [02:52] fire|bird, doin' great thanks [02:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [02:57] fire|bird, compiled anything new recently? [02:57] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] MLanden: Not so much, no. I've been messing with openSUSE lately, so slack is on a different hdd, and there hasn't been much worth compiling lately. :P [02:58] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [02:59] fire|bird, hear ya [02:59] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [03:01] MLanden: on openSUSE, I have been messing a bit with KDE 4.3.90 :) [03:02] fire|bird, was about to ask ya that..:P as well as gnome [03:03] MLanden: lol, yeah, I have gnome-shell installed to, openSUSE is the only distro I've tried it on where it isn't a complete pita, but still has it's annoyances, I just can't picture really using it as a day to day desktop. [03:04] fire|bird: firebird developer? [03:04] fire|bird, hear ya...might vbox it some time later in the month and give it a try [03:04] tiny: no [03:05] MLanden: cool. I am a tinkerer, so it's been a lot of fun messing with this stuff. I've been able to mess more with parole too, that's really a nice app. [03:06] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:06] fire|bird, yeah..they just released a new version of parole yesterday [03:06] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [03:07] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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Learn as if you were to live forever." [03:15] Nick change: bleeding1edge -> fire|bird [03:15] right here. [03:15] :P [03:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-195.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl11-118-220.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:16] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) got lost in the net-split. [03:16] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) got lost in the net-split. [03:16] spook_ (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:16] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] adaptr (n=jgeilman@80.101.132.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] adaptr_ (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:18] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:19] Nick change: spook_ -> spook [03:20] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got lost in the net-split. [03:21] AtuM (n=damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] hello [03:22] Nick change: dtanner -> TYPO_KING [03:23] g'day [03:23] howdy [03:23] 16:23:37 up 357 days, 1:27, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 [03:23] sooooo close. [03:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-128.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] soooo long : System is UP for 1262 Day, 12 Hour(s) and 38 Minutes [03:26] running slackware [03:27] what's the record for uptime anyway? [03:27] shrug [03:28] longer than the clock seems to be able to hold [03:28] record is : 2470 days, 18:10 [03:29] uhm, will need to reboot their unix systems in 2038... if they have been running continually since the epoc :P [03:29] but that's for OSX... have to find linux uptime record [03:29] macavity, that's sad :/ [03:29] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Client Quit [03:29] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) joined ##slackware. [03:29] that's only if they're still on 32-bit :) [03:29] AtuM: do you know how time on unix is kept? [03:30] alisonken1noc: there were no 64 bit systems on the first of january 1970 :P [03:30] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:30] that you know of :) [03:30] macavity: were there 32 bit systems then? [03:30] even on 32bit systems, isnt time stored in 64bit? [03:30] nyRednek: yes [03:30] at least, recently. [03:31] spook: thats the point... if they have been running since back then, none of the fixes has been applied [03:31] macavity, saddly you're right [03:31] macavity: i was sure that the big irons were 16 bit [03:31] and no, kexec calls do NOT count :P [03:32] gutts (n=gutts@213.162.50.61) joined ##slackware. [03:32] macavity: so when was the earliest fix to store time in 64bit? [03:32] adaptr_ (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Client Quit [03:32] nyRednek: get me a fair estimate on how fast the result becomes lame on 16 bits if it devides something and is itterative :P [03:32] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:32] macavity, what if one slows down the bios clock and extends time :-) [03:32] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [03:32] AtuM: then all networking goes to hell [03:32] AtuM: protip, macavity is usually right, you would be smart to listen to what he has to say [03:32] besides.. uptime is over rated [03:32] macavity, but uptime doesn't :) [03:33] spook, for sure.. It's just chit-chat. [03:33] if you know a system has uptime measured in years you know exactly how much is still "zero day" material when attacking it :P [03:34] i dare you to attack my machine. only people i trust have accounts, and everything but the kernel is up to date :) [03:34] Nick change: TYPO_KING -> Typo_King [03:35] nyRednek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360 [03:35] priviledge escalation(sp?) isnt much of a concern when only the sysadmin has an account [03:35] jdetring_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [03:35] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [03:36] nyRednek: as you can see the biggest ones in '64 had 8MB memory [03:36] nyRednek: you'd get a problem adressing that with 16 bits :P [03:36] nyRednek: 16 bit machines have always been "minicomputers" [03:38] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] adaptr_ (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. 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You should install Slackware, use it for a few months, use this channel for information and then decide [04:28] bjqrn: if you like and know debian, why change? [04:29] true spook [04:29] I'm just curious tho [04:29] I have in fact used slackware, but I can't see a reason to use it since debian leaves me in control of my system as well [04:29] no harm in using and learning slackware, i certainly am long overdue to properly learn debian [04:30] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.131) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] jdetring_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) got lost in the net-split. [04:31] pireau_ (i=1000@208.92.18.115) joined ##slackware. [04:31] t4ls0 (n=talso@S0106000d7ebd5235.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:43] ffs [04:43] alienBOB: wrt the LoL discussion, re: thinkpads.. just seen the /. report on lenovos decision to start ousting the SysRq key >.< [04:44] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Zordrak, isn't it sad? [04:47] link? [04:47] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] Zordrak, anything for sale? 8-) [04:47] Action: Delahunt got back-paid today [04:48] alisonken1noc: meh.. /. front page [04:48] Delahunt: meh [04:49] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Action: Delahunt is looking for a netbook for testing [04:50] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [04:51] ok.. time to sleep [04:51] macavity (n=macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "leaving" [04:52] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:54] ah - it scrolled off the front page already [04:54] Delahunt: any eeepc will be nice for testing. The older 10.1" ones are being dumped on the market but they are good, with long battery life [04:54] Action: Delahunt is disgusted by the disney eee pc's [04:54] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:57] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [04:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:58] alienBOB, thanks bro [04:59] alienBOB, too bad i can't find a via with the ace padlock 8-) [04:59] Dleahunt: you mean you don't _like_ the Miley Cyrus EEPC ? [04:59] i'd only use one if it was the last one on earth [04:59] :) [04:59] i've got a pair of 900hd's running slack 13 [04:59] or free (but i'd have it spray painted) [05:00] No idea what you're complaining about Delahunt [05:02] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:02] hehe [05:02] alienBOB, you know what the ace padlock system is, right? [05:03] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:03] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] think built in AES coprocessor (i.e. you could in theory end up with a system with no CPU overhead for cryptsetup) [05:05] D3lahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[05:18] Nick change: zecafig -> zecaway [05:18] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:18] zecaway kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [05:18] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] hah [05:19] is zecaway his real handle? if so, I think he needs to update it for here [05:20] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:20] 10:18:06 -!- zecafig is now known as zecaway [05:20] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.27.244.149) joined ##slackware. [05:20] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] hahaha [05:20] O_o [05:20] is slackboy open source ? if so where can I find his code ? [05:20] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) joined ##slackware. [05:21] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-170-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] slackboy is an eggdrop bot if I remember correctly [05:21] Rossonero: http://www.google.com/search?q=eggdrop [05:22] but I am looking especially for slackboy source code :P [05:22] The source code is the eggdrop source code [05:23] ok [05:23] eggdrop is the code that's run. slackboy is nothing more than an eggdrop bot that has been configured and setup using eggdrop config and plugins [05:23] jdetring_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] alisonken1noc, thank you [05:23] wont slackboy tell you that if you ask him? [05:24] !source [05:24] apparently not :( [05:24] !slackboy [05:25] not in him I guess [05:26] i dont know that command listening is even enabled [05:26] eggdrop is a huge code :s [05:26] i think its all via direct query [05:26] ?slackboy [05:26] Zordrak: i tried that, got no response [05:26] k [05:26] I also tried opening dialog, but he ignored me - even better than the wife does [05:26] hahaha. [05:27] you need the right words and probably the right hostmask [05:27] !speak [05:27] arf arf [05:27] Zordrak: yeah. :/ [05:27] or is it 'ruff ruff'? [05:28] !commands [05:28] !help [05:28] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.14.62) joined ##slackware. [05:28] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.14.62) left irc: Client Quit [05:28] francisco (n=francisc@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Rossonero: you can also /join #eggdrop if you have questions [05:29] http://www.eggheads.org [05:30] also http://www.egghelp.org/ [05:30] I think that studying eggdrop code is hard and will take time.. I prefer envbot wrote in bash with a simple code [05:31] but thanks anyway [05:31] study the code for what? [05:31] whats to study? you just run it. [05:32] the only study is the config and plugins [05:32] alisonken1noc: and isnt most of the config done during runtime? [05:33] well, I love open source because I like to look at the code and try to test it.. this is my big hobby ! [05:33] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [05:36] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] spook: not sure, but there's a bunch of plugins as well [05:37] #linuxsociety has a couple of people testing different plugins [05:37] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-170-198.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] one of them being a google plugin that when you say "!fight vs it returns the amount of hits on each term and tells you the winner [05:38] Axius (n=oijhif@92.82.70.85) joined ##slackware. [05:39] candinho (n=candinho@201-13-163-94.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:39] candinho (n=candinho@201-13-163-94.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:42] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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[07:07] trying to decide whether to reboot into 2.6.33-rc4 or leave it til next week [07:08] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:08] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left ##slackware. [07:09] what happens next week? [07:10] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:12] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) joined ##slackware. [07:15] GooseYArd, feeling like using release candidates? :) [07:16] i tend to use production versions since i'm having a hard time filing bug reports. [07:16] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:17] coldcog, next week.... let's see... the first round of presidential elections in ukraine will have completed :) [07:17] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:18] haha thats exciting [07:18] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) joined ##slackware. [07:18] first round, what happens in the second round? [07:18] one of my friends is actually married to a lady from the ukraine [07:18] coldcog, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what happens next week [07:19] coldcog, s/the ukraine/ukraine/ please. [07:19] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [07:19] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:19] How do I set up authentication for kde in Slackware 13 for runlevel 4? [07:19] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Stanto (n=Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:19] lol my bad [07:20] It ain't asking for any authentication now. But I have set password for my username. [07:20] tank-man, if a candidate has more than 50% of votes in the first round, he becomes president. else, two candidates the most high on the list are running in round two. [07:21] i see [07:21] lechiffre, does kdm start? [07:21] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:21] tank-man, usually scenario #1 happens never. [07:21] slava_dp yes. [07:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:22] back sorry [07:22] lechiffre, like, kdm starts, you input your username, press enter and it logs you in? [07:23] dorin_ro (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:23] slava yah on my desktop box I like to fool around with the latest greatest [07:23] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [07:23] slava_dp:Nope nothing of that sort happens. It goes to X straight. But I have kdm running as a process though. [07:23] Nick change: goarilla_ -> goarilla [07:25] hy ;i just done a #slackpkg upgrade-all; and now i can not login into my slackware (13.0 64bit); it is something wrong with upgrade-all;or i did something wrong [07:25] You did something wrong [07:26] coud be because i was in X window and maybe i was running some aplications ? [07:26] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:26] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [07:26] before rebooting i had a "stupid" error: something like :"can not find /bin/bash [07:27] was this the first time you did an upgrade-all? [07:27] The kdm is running with user as "root" if that helps. [07:28] on slackware 13 ;i think so [07:28] Action: Delahunt pulled the trigger on a asus eee pc 900A that comes with Linux for $200 [07:28] i think i know what happened [07:28] when you edited your mirrors file, did you remember to pick one with the dir slackware64 instead of slackware [07:28] theyre in separate sections [07:29] the next question is did you have your mirror set to "slackware-13.0" or "slackware64-13.0"? [07:29] eheheh [07:29] that one hit me last week [07:29] same here :) [07:29] I copied all my old /etc onto the new 64 box, upgraded all, and then couldn't log in :) [07:29] alisonken1noc: hit me a month ago too [07:29] ahah [07:29] lol [07:30] we should probably produce a patch [07:30] AtuM (n=damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:30] i edited the mirrors ( uncoment slackware64 ftp server) [07:30] pebkac :-) [07:31] i saw that slackpkg upgrade something about kernel ... [07:32] anyway;is there a way to recover my system back (or at least something from it) ? [07:32] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:32] yeah its no problem [07:33] dorin_ro: did you configure a 13.0 or a -current repository? [07:33] and it should have been a 64-13.0 or 64-current from the sounds of it [07:34] dorin_ro: if slackpkg upgraded your kernel then probably you were hit by this problem: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/robbys-libata-switchover-howto/ [07:35] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:38] does anyone in here use kpackage and smart or something like sbo and slackbuilds instead? or both? [07:38] alienBOB i do not think the /dev/sda is my problem because my system loads and wayt for my login ;but there is something like" (none) login: " [07:39] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:8b) joined ##slackware. [07:39] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: [07:39] and i get some error about tty [07:39] Then you miss some packagee(s) [07:39] coldcog, http://sbopkg.org [07:40] coldcog, slackpkg for distro updates, sbopkg for additional software. [07:40] so,a total reinstall is last option? [07:40] dorin, here's what I did [07:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:40] boot into single user mode [07:40] pop in your slackware cd/vdv [07:41] dvd sorry [07:41] slava_dp: thats what im doing right now, basically just wondering if its normal to be using both [07:41] :) [07:41] then use pkgtool to install the old version of the bash package [07:41] of course it is, they serve different tasks. [07:41] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:42] thats what i thought, i was just wondering if i was missing something, ive only been off ubuntu for about a week now! :p [07:42] then you can hunt around in /var/cache/packages to see which ones were upgraded by the bad upgrade-all, and fix them in the same fashion [07:42] Action: slava_dp likes the new trend of ubuntu > slackware64 switch. it's lovely that slack64 appeared. [07:43] man slackware blows ubuntu out of the water... [07:43] lordkefir (n=lordkefi@89.238.76.224) left ##slackware. [07:44] i think its a good thing ubuntu is around though, its a good stepping stone to gradually get people on to bigger and better things :p [07:44] the only reason ubuntu is so popular is because ubuntu has an entire army of muppets spamming various internet sites with the gospel of ubuntu and they keep enlisting more muppets [07:45] my first os (after windows ) was fedora:P [07:45] man after windows i burnt like literally 15 distros onto cd and tried them all [07:46] had a friend who used suse so i landed it for a while, but after all this crap with novell and M$ i moved to ubuntu [07:46] toytoy (n=dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [07:46] and why u stick with slackware ( i asume that u use slackware :P ) [07:46] my first taste of linux was redhat-7 after watching win98 bsod one too many times, like it a few months later found slackware and been a happy slacker ever since [07:46] indeed i do now, ive been on here for about a week now [07:46] Is there any group that i should add to my user to activate kdm?(I can't find kdm there in the groups, but (gdm,adm) are there) [07:47] you need to switch the default from 3 to 4 in inittab lech [07:47] lechiffre: ^^ [07:47] i think its good i landed on ubuntu for a while, long enough to break me of my M$ brainwash, but now that my mental atrophy is gone i was wanting more [07:48] Pig_Pen I am already in run level 4 [07:48] and kdm does not manage the logins? [07:48] i remember mentioning in #lvm a week ago about running lilo. they told me it's aweful, and crap, and everything. i told them that slackware's been using it since the dawn of time. received silence in reply :-) [07:48] Pig_Pen yes that seems to be the problem. [07:48] hmm [07:48] some people think slackware is not a real distro. man they are wrong. [07:49] i love lilo;it is ...simple,i think... [07:49] Axius (n=fd@109.97.40.228) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:49] slava_dp how can that even be argued? [07:49] hahah [07:49] one of the ts'ers here exclaimed he thought slackware was for servers only when I told him I ran it on my laptop/desktop [07:49] i always keep inittab in 3 and just log in to the console because my desktop is just a quick startx away [07:49] its like a soccer league, people get all excited about some team for no particular reason and then want to fight about it [07:50] oh hey i changed back to inittab 3 when you mentioned that to me slava [07:50] lechiffre, what does "runlevel" report? [07:50] like yesterday or whenever [07:50] Pig_Pen I used to be at runlevel 3 but it kinda lacked restart and halt there. [07:50] coldcog, mentioned what? [07:50] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-150.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:50] i cant tell any difference between ubuntu and slackware except that when I fuck up the slackware machine I have an easier time fixing it [07:50] inittab 3 vs 4 [07:50] slava_dp N 4 [07:51] try this, switch back to init 3 and run kdm --daemon and see if you get kem to manage the logins [07:51] lechiffre, did you fiddle with kde settings? you might have enabled passwordless logon for your account. [07:51] s/kem/kdm [07:51] keres (n=keres@68.102.132.62) joined ##slackware. [07:51] slava_dp runlevel seems to be accessible through root alone [07:51] lechiffre, /sbin/runlevel [07:51] GooseYArd: when i had ubuntu i just backed up everything on a 1 tb external, then when i mess up i just pop the install cd back in :p [07:52] slava_dp I can't recall doing such a thing. [07:52] Pig_Pen I'll try like you said. [07:52] fonseg (n=bnguyen@58.187.210.187) joined ##slackware. [07:52] got to go, be back in a few hours. have a good time :) [07:52] you dont have to edit inittab, just run init 3 [07:53] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] then kdm --daemon [07:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:54] GooseYArd, how can i enter in single user mode...? [07:55] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [07:55] in URxvt i cant use ctrl-l to clear the screen, instead its like when press Enter. anyone have a fix for this? [07:55] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [07:56] fonseg: 'clear' ? [07:56] urthwrm: i know, but i prefer ctrl-l, got much less time. [07:56] taq (n=taq@200.148.142.165) joined ##slackware. [07:57] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:57] Hey, the new package manager (using Django) is not ready yet? [07:57] alias c='clear' ? [07:57] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) joined ##slackware. [07:58] echo -e "\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n" :-) [07:58] fonseg, maybe make somekind of keyboard shortcut. to clear ..? [07:58] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [07:59] Pig_Pen I get "Only root wants to run kdm". If I run as root, kdm doesn't seem to be managing logins. [07:59] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] fonseg: setting that alias for clear will improve your productivity time double fold, how can you loose!? [07:59] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:59] dorin: at the lilo prompt enter "Linux single", hit enter, and stand back [08:00] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-130-104.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Pig_Pen btw how do I comeback after init 3? I had reboot last time :p [08:00] in my case "slackware" single? [08:00] kdm requires root, it is not a user app [08:00] run init 4 if that is what you want [08:01] Pig_Pen okay but it doesn't seem to be working as root too. [08:01] have you tried running kdm --daemon with root? or su or sudo? [08:02] Pig_Pen: Yes. I tried kdm --daemon as root and it didn't ask for login. [08:02] dorin its probably "Linux" unless you changed lilo.conf yourself [08:02] bb ( itry to enter my sistem...) tnx 2 all ! [08:02] or you can hit tab and it'll show you the list [08:03] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] did it open that dialog that allows users to log in? [08:03] lilo (at booting) show me 2 sistem (windows and slackware) [08:03] Pig_Pen No It didn't :( [08:03] Pig_Pen Currently I have 2 kdm processes running as root(kdm, kdm -nodaemon) [08:04] ah! that could be the problem, kill all other kdem processes and try it again [08:04] kdm [08:04] Is it safe to kill kdm? [08:05] sure, it wont break anything, be sure to do it from the console, i hope your not logged in to X and a desktop while doing all this [08:05] in ubuntu ,if u kill kdm,it will start again? [08:07] Pig_Pen Ok. I'll try by editing inittab and rebooting itself. [08:07] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:07] yeah, do that [08:07] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:07] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] johndee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:12] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) joined ##slackware. [08:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:13] Pig_Pen It ain't working from runlevel 3 too. But surprsingly If I log out, I get back the login screen. :=? [08:13] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [08:14] you need to run kdm --daemon from init 3 (the console) all these things i been telling you cant be done from a window (desktop running within X) [08:15] Another peculiar thing I noticed is when I ran "kdm --nodaemon" as root from runlevel 3, It still log in as normal user to X. :-? [08:15] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:15] Axius (n=oijhif@109.97.40.228) joined ##slackware. [08:16] lechiffre, btw, no need to reboot. you can just run "telinit 4" from console [08:17] Pig_Pen yes this time i did it from runlevel 3 only by editing inittab and rebooting later. [08:17] thrice' hmm.. okay. [08:17] that is right [08:17] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.5) joined ##slackware. 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[08:24] lechiffre: that is what kdm is supposed to do, it takes over the login/logout actions (session management) [08:24] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:27] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:27] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [08:32] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:36] Pig_Pen yes. But It works only for login here. :( [08:36] *logout* [08:36] s/login/logout [08:37] it refuses to let you log out? [08:38] Nope login. I mistyped that message. [08:38] Actually It allows me to login but without any authentication [08:39] and you looked through kde's configuration thing for the settings? [08:39] jjholt__ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] The login box is absent while logging in but it appears when i log out [08:39] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Greetings... [08:40] Pig_Pen I tried settings, Kuser, no joy. [08:40] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] Pig_Pen what are the groups that should be available for normal user? [08:41] when someone says you have to have knowledge on the COBRA system/technology, i searched and get the snake, movies, and other...but nothing specific...anyone has ever seen or knows anything on that? [08:41] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:41] lol you must have type COBRA. [08:42] ;) [08:42] It's CORBA I think you want [08:42] cobraaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [08:43] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.192.226) joined ##slackware. [08:43] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:44] do mplayer really need libsmbclient, or is that a mislinked package? [08:45] damn, maybe i misread ...i will try that .. thank you [08:45] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:45] nvision: mplayer was built with support for samba shares [08:46] that makes more sense ;) thank you... its a java thing ;) just for info ;) [08:47] but I have no samba installed... now mplayer throws a error while loading shared libraries.. do I need to install the samba pkg for running mplayer?! [08:47] nvision, was your mplayer built with samba support? [08:48] I use the mplayer from 64-current [08:48] alienBOB, did you hear? i pulled the trigger on a asus eee pc 900A (comes with linux but i'll put some REAL linux on it lol) for $200 [08:48] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.151.36.35) joined ##slackware. [08:53] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] where is mkfs.vfat in slackware64? [08:54] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] how are people handling slack64? havent heard any comments lately? are there still people using slack32? Any comments? [08:55] i use 32 [08:56] how about support part, when are the guys gone drop supporting really old versions of slackware? [08:57] grissiom: mkfs -t vfat /dev/foo [08:58] urthwrm: Thanks ;) [08:59] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.192.226) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] Nick change: jjholt__ -> jjholt2 [09:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left ##slackware. [09:01] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:8b) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:8b) joined ##slackware. [09:02] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] The-Croupier: old versions are supported until security fixes are becoming impossible due to incommpatibilities [09:03] jjholt22 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:08] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] I am typing this on Slackware 10.0 actually The-Croupier [09:08] Skywise (n=noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:09] hey guys is there a linux analog to pfsense+carp? [09:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) joined ##slackware. [09:09] alienBOB: it looks old ;) [09:09] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [09:09] thank god old-fogie is not here...;) [09:10] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.109.71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:10] alienBOB: what times are you usually active? ( in the channel i mean) [09:11] i'm pretty unsatisfied with using heartbeat now, they've trashed their documentation and its nearly impossible to diagnose issues [09:12] The-Croupier: I live in the Netherlands, so European hours [09:12] reason for last question: have you seen any of the "guys" (old-fogie, nullboy, tewmten, fred,phrag,....etc) [09:13] so he's getting ready for bed [09:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:13] Skywise: its afternoon in europe now :p [09:13] is it, i thought they were 7hrs ahead of est [09:14] <_slax0r_> Hi, yesterday I've tried to download an digital certificate from my bank, using firefox, and all I got was an file, clientcgi(FF recognized it as application/octet-stream), inside the file it says, ContentType: application/x-506-cert (more or less), can I do anything with this client, or should I call my bank and give them a shout? [09:14] i get confused when dst is going on [09:14] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:14] slax you want to import it into your browser certificate store [09:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] youre using firefox? [09:15] <_slax0r_> I can't import it [09:15] you should tell your bank, because you should of been asked to accept the cert, rather then download it [09:15] <_slax0r_> i asks me for a master password(which I never set) and that's it [09:15] you can but you might need to change the format first [09:15] GooseYArd: why not ff? [09:15] <_slax0r_> what ya mean change the format? where and how? :) [09:16] jjholt22 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:16] when you say they sent it to you, do you mean you were browsing and you were prompted to save a file? [09:16] look, he's talking about banking. anything thats not happening like it should isn't kosher [09:16] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.118.227) joined ##slackware. [09:16] he shouldn't be trying to work around it [09:16] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-179-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] sky: no, if they [09:17] taq (n=taq@200.148.142.165) left ##slackware. [09:17] if they're delivering a _client_ cert, it'll work differently [09:17] mrpwnage (n=baud@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [09:17] i would expect a fake fishing site to make such a mistake rather then a commercial institution [09:17] <_slax0r_> GooseYArd, yes [09:17] <_slax0r_> more or less [09:18] a fake fishing site has nothing to gain from sending you a client certificate, and when you import it we're going to verify the signature anyway [09:18] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [09:18] you know certs can be spoofed? [09:18] <_slax0r_> it's not a phishing site, 100% sure about it [09:18] call the bank [09:19] ask them why its not working [09:19] <_slax0r_> unless someone hacked the bank, then we're all screwed anyway [09:19] i wouldn't trust it [09:19] _slax0r_: how do you know? [09:19] or someone hacked your connection [09:19] sky: I work on the department of defenses public key infrastructure all day long, every day [09:19] <_slax0r_> Skywise, that would be one too yes [09:19] grissiom (n=grissiom@121.19.32.160) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] slax, anyway [09:19] <_slax0r_> The-Croupier, I checked the site up and down, anything that could be checked [09:19] what you want to do is verify the signature on the cert [09:19] <_slax0r_> resolved, looked up in whois etc etc [09:20] you know the site he is talking about??!! [09:20] yes well you can prepend a domain to be spoofed to your own private domain cert [09:20] Shuren (n=Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [09:20] well its not my money, do what you want [09:20] <_slax0r_> I don't see the cert...the file is in binary [09:20] yeah if you have a broken client ssl implementation, you can [09:21] <_slax0r_> if I could see it, I'd check the signature as well [09:21] Skywise: that is only if there are a lot of computers and some public in your domain maybe not in a home network ;) [09:21] <_slax0r_> look [09:21] i'm betting he's even on a wireless connection [09:21] <_slax0r_> I live in a boring street [09:21] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] <_slax0r_> all people around me are grandpas and grandmas [09:21] sky: anyway I'm not suggesting that he start clicking random urls, I'm talking about going thruogh the process of verifying a cert [09:21] <_slax0r_> who know not how to use a computer [09:21] famous last words [09:21] <_slax0r_> not yet hack an network [09:21] take off your tinfoil hat [09:21] <_slax0r_> it's a wired connection [09:22] Skywise: you might be right, he is on wireless [09:22] <_slax0r_> WIREDž [09:22] <_slax0r_> -ž [09:22] i think its simple, if its legit, it should work like it expected [09:22] wired is no safer than wireless [09:22] if it doesn't i don't care to guess why [09:22] _slax0r_: we mean from your pc to the router, not from the router to the internet ;) [09:22] GooseYArd: really? [09:22] <_slax0r_> omg [09:22] <_slax0r_> should I draw it? :) [09:22] well we still havent even determined which browser slax is using [09:22] <_slax0r_> it's a NON-wireless router [09:23] <_slax0r_> er...firefox? [09:23] if the site is designed for IE6 users, automatic cert import won't work [09:23] ok good [09:23] you saved the cert, did it suggest a filename for you, or did you just pick some name [09:23] GooseYArd: why did you say: "wired is not safer than wireless"? [09:23] <_slax0r_> it forced a name for me [09:23] its easiest if you can figure out the format from the etension [09:23] <_slax0r_> clientcgi [09:24] you can't use activex, but theres a way to do it in firefox too [09:24] <_slax0r_> that is the name [09:24] <_slax0r_> no extension [09:24] <_slax0r_> nothing [09:24] croup: because its just as easy to screw around with a wired network as a wireless one [09:24] are you scared of your bank? [09:24] <_slax0r_> inside the file, at the top it say: applicationtype/x-506-cert or similar [09:24] <_slax0r_> and bellow it's binnary [09:24] <_slax0r_> and some http(s) addresses [09:24] <_slax0r_> no I'm not scared of my bank [09:24] is it binary or just rows of letters and numbers [09:24] <_slax0r_> but those bastards will charge me again if I request another cert [09:25] <_slax0r_> GooseYArd, yeah, that [09:25] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] ok, anyway, anyone know of an analog to pfsense/carp for slackware/linux? [09:25] probably pem [09:25] but its got the content type header in the file [09:26] GooseYArd: how can one screw with wired connection from the corner? [09:26] did you run the certificate manager in firefox and try to import it [09:26] <_slax0r_> yes [09:26] <_slax0r_> told you, I tried importing, it asks for a master key, which I never set [09:26] oh ok the certs fine then [09:27] did it reject an empty password for your master key? [09:27] why don't you try your pin or your account password [09:27] you're not gonna gen a cert with an empty passphrase [09:27] ahaha [09:27] Skywise: lol [09:27] <_slax0r_> Erm...I'm not enitrely sure, but I don't think I tried an empty pass [09:27] this is way off-topic, but when a client connects to a web server listening for port 80, which protocol is used for allocating a dynamic port at the client-side that is by the web server to send responses to the client? RPC? [09:27] the password is not for the key, its for firefoxs nssdb [09:28] s/that is by/that is used by/ [09:28] the password that firefox is asking for, that is [09:28] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-221.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] my gf just made some lemon soda that is awesome [09:28] she made it from scratch [09:28] its just simple sugar, carbonated water and lemons [09:28] v3: the kernel chooses a somewhat random source port when it creates the initial tcp connection [09:29] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Nick change: Typo_King -> dtanner [09:29] well scratch initial, its _the_ tcp connection [09:29] Shuren (n=Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:30] oh, i think apple soda will be next [09:31] the ports to be used are negotiated when the connection is made [09:31] GooseYArd: okey, so the dynamic port at the client side is passed along with the tcp three-way-handshake? [09:31] no the source port is decided before tcp is set up [09:31] v3: yeah its already in the header [09:32] yes, its in the whole connection setup [09:32] oh [09:32] thanks [09:32] <_slax0r_> just remembered one more thing(I really need to get home before going on with this)...when I enter the master key, no matter what I enter, it says, that the file is in a corrupted format [09:32] <_slax0r_> so I guess the cert is not fine [09:32] that clarifies some things :) [09:32] slax: the master key has nothing to do with the cert [09:32] firefox uses an NSS database to store certs and keys [09:33] when it asks you for a password, its asking you for the password to open your local NSS database [09:33] it hasn't even looked at the certificate you're trying to import, at that point [09:33] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:33] <_slax0r_> yes, but after entering it, it complains about that [09:33] <_slax0r_> or am I missing something? [09:33] you can use certutil to check whether your nssdb is busted though [09:34] <_slax0r_> I will...ok, I'll stop now...get home...get drunk...and then try to solve it [09:34] ehehe [09:34] or you could call the bank and let them solve it [09:34] after all, what are you paying them for [09:34] <_slax0r_> Skywise, they wont... :) [09:34] <_slax0r_> they'll just tell me to send another request for the cert to them [09:34] <_slax0r_> and charge me again [09:34] what I would do is use openssl to verify that the cert is not corrupted, then deal with firefox separately [09:35] My touchpad seems to be overly sensitive in Slackware. Whenever I type something the focus goes elsewhere I don't recall this happening in Windows. Plus side to this is, scroll functionality works wonderfully in Slack but not in Windows. [09:35] its openssl x509 -in whatever.pem [09:35] <_slax0r_> I had this problem 4 years ago already, but then I requested again, and downloaded with IE6(which worked)...now I don't have a windoze machine :S [09:35] slax if you run the firefox certificate viewer thing, can you see your other root certs and stuff in there? [09:36] <_slax0r_> lechiffre, your touchpad has it's period...it's like a woman, grumpy on random times [09:36] I think the root certs and your private certs may go into separate nssdbs [09:36] <_slax0r_> GooseYArd yes [09:36] _slax0r_ huh? Whatever. [09:36] <_slax0r_> I see them all [09:36] ok [09:36] <_slax0r_> lechiffre, forget it [09:37] looks like carp is in the 2.6 kernel [09:37] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:38] ulicnik21 (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) joined ##slackware. [09:38] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:40] i guess carp isn't what i needed [09:41] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:43] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:44] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:46] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:47] slax: if you generate a little homemade self signed cert and try to import it into firefox, do you get prompted again [09:49] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:49] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:49] <_slax0r_> GooseYArd, I don't know, I'm not home, but I'll try that later today [09:50] kewl [09:50] well good luck with the drinking [09:50] i find it helpful also [09:50] ehehe [09:52] is it' possible to convert a partition table without losing all data? [09:53] convert...how? [09:53] well, i mistakenly left my table to GPT. [09:54] Linux can read GPT [09:54] So, leaving it won't cause any grief later? [09:54] It's on my server. [09:54] Shouldn't [09:54] okay thanks. i'll just let it be then. [09:55] man id like to have a desktop machine with efi [09:56] straterra: Linux can read GPT if the support is available in the kernel... and Slackware has this only in the most recent -current kernel [09:56] alienBOB: Thanks, i'm in -current. [09:57] I just didn't know if it would cause problems with any disk checking programs. [09:57] alienBOB: Really? I just assumed it was selected since its been in a kernel for a while o.O [09:59] My touchpad settings: http://pastebin.com/d54791a6a. Please tell any suggestions so that I can reduce the sensitivity. [09:59] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] lechiffre: MaxTap settings [10:00] lechiffre: man synaptics [10:00] straterra: it took some time for us to convince Pat [10:00] Axius (n=oijhif@109.97.40.228) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] Really? Whys that? [10:00] Because [10:00] lechiffre: PalmDetect helps [10:01] sometimes. [10:01] thanks mrpwnage [10:01] np [10:02] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [10:02] alienBOB: any comments on GPT and lilo? I thought that only GRUB handled GPT. [10:03] allend: apparently it works because my system boots. [10:03] mrpwnage: i guess the proof is in the pudding. [10:04] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [10:04] yessir :) [10:05] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] <_slax0r_> GooseYArd, ya thanks, I'll drink one for ya too :D [10:07] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:07] allend: I did not try too boot from a GPT disk, I just mounted it's partitions and worked with it [10:10] alienBOB: Thanks. I am monitoring GPT and its implications. I feel that it maybe an issue for me in the near future. [10:10] http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/ [10:13] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-130-104.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.191) joined ##slackware. [10:14] i think lilo is ought to be ok with GPT because GPT is additional to the standard dos partition table, not a replacement.. so lilo should have just about enough info to locate the start of the root partition if nothing else [10:15] substancev (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] hey guys [10:17] quick question... i have a samba share setup in fstab between to linux boxes... here is the line: //htpc/htpc /mnt/HTPC smbfs password=blank 0 0 --- now when mounted i can see files but i can write to it as a regular user. Only with root can i write to it. I had it setup in windows -> linux using cifs.. [10:17] How can i make regular users write to the share.. i didn't set any samba passwords or anything ... this is an open share [10:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-016-184.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:04] I guess samba is for linux to windowsa file sharing [11:04] *windows [11:04] yah samba is a lot of overhead if you havent got any windows machines [11:04] man samba first of all [11:04] i got samba working but having issues with permissions. i prefer to use what is native... nfs it is. [11:05] then read something about samba in the slackbook, there are tutorial over the network ;-) [11:06] thanks.. forgot about the book [11:08] johndee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] i dont get it [11:10] i understand how to setup /etc/exports... but how does the client see what im sharing [11:10] ? [11:11] substancev: sorry I've never used samba, wait for somebody else, more expert about this :) [11:12] substancev: man exports :-) [11:12] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] im trying to use NFS [11:13] the nfs thingy ni the slackbook looks good [11:13] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:13] substancev: well, you need to read manuals, books :-) [11:13] ive manned it ... and i understand how to setup my /etc/exports file... its the client side im a little confused with [11:13] substancev: man exports [11:13] ur not listening.. ill wait for someone i know thanks [11:13] read something about /etc/exports file :) [11:13] hey subs whats happening on the client side [11:14] not sure what to do... i setup my server for sharing NFS (/etc/exports) now what is done on the client side? [11:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:14] its really just one line of data in my /etc/exports ill paste. /home/substancev/downloads 192.168.2.6(rw,no_subtree_check) [11:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] Rossonero (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] so on 192.168.2.6 ... do i mount it in fstab? [11:15] you can, if you just want to test it, say: [11:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: "leaving" [11:15] mount 192.168.2.6:/home/substancev/downloads /mnt [11:16] you may have to say -t nfs, I cant remember [11:16] i see! [11:16] then once you know it works, you can add a line to fstab to make it happen when you boot [11:16] thanks GooseYArd ... thats exactly the nudge in the direction i was looking for [11:17] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:31] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] /join ##jjholt [11:31] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:31] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:32] yay hardware failure! [11:32] cityOfLights (n=cityOfLi@bzq-84-109-35-245.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] hi all [11:33] say, I got a radeon graphic card (RV250) , can it run opengl fast? [11:33] fast? [11:34] Mkman (n=tiago@bl7-4-19.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Hi [11:34] samba was fast an easy and secure :) [11:34] I can barely move the mouse on screen [11:34] cityOfLights: should work fine, check drivers [11:34] NFS.. i guess there is more to learn then quick and easy [11:36] i have this application /dir/to/app.sh where can i stick this so that it loads after network connection has been established. [11:36] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:37] i can't stand that everything out there is ubuntu this and ubuntu that... most of my googles have -ubuntu [11:37] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] subs did you run /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start [11:37] and /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd start [11:37] GooseYArd: lol... nevermind man :) i got samba up and secure.. ill take this down for next time [11:38] :) [11:38] thanks [11:38] cityOfLights (n=cityOfLi@bzq-84-109-35-245.red.bezeqint.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:38] ... rc.rpc was -x [11:38] not +x [11:38] probably why it didn't work [11:39] next time ill give it a shot [11:39] right now im trying to get twonkymedia to start at boot.. i guess i could put it somewhere in the rc.local file right? [11:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.225) joined ##slackware. [11:42] mornin folks [11:42] Any of you guys know of a reason why the link LED on a NIC would be blinking even though there is definitely a link in the cable? [11:42] eh NaCl? [11:42] you mean, not blinking? [11:42] link LED is blinking. [11:42] Activity LED is off [11:43] bad rom? [11:43] THe link LED cycles about 1-2 times per second. [11:43] onboard nic? [11:44] yes [11:44] on the machines we have here at the school, that happened when the onboard nic died, due to a bad rom [11:44] uh-huh, and that means I'd have to RMA the thing? [11:44] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] hai [11:44] Action: NaCl headdesks [11:45] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:46] stunix (i=1000@85.19.141.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] mine blinks too! i think it is caused by gremlins or a ghost in the machine [11:52] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [11:54] hehe [11:54] emma_ (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [11:57] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left irc: "Leaving." [11:57] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [12:00] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:03] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [12:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:08] nvision (n=nvision@g225055141.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] lol this is a good one [12:10] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] http://xkcd.com/686/ [12:12] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-016-184.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:13] we've all read xkcd. take links to ##slackware-offtopic if they arent relevant to the discussion. [12:13] if i wanted to upgrade thunderbird to v3, how would i proceed w/o breaking anything? [12:15] lowkyalur: on 13.0, or 12.2? [12:15] ffs spook [12:15] lowkyalur: I made my own slackbuild from the -current [12:16] i would backup my .thunderbird and/or .mozilla/thunderbird if it exists [12:16] 13/64 [12:16] upgradepkg v3 [12:16] stunix (i=1000@85.19.141.138) joined ##slackware. [12:16] goarilla: no need, but sure. [12:16] then run it and see if it picks up everything [12:16] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] goarilla: no issues here. [12:16] i'm very sceptical when there is a major version upgrade thumbs [12:17] goarilla: it was flawless for me. [12:17] thats nice [12:17] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:17] has it improved thumbs [12:17] is v3 a step forward [12:18] oke thanks .... v2 doesnt work with my tray icon thingy [12:18] goarilla: it's awesome. [12:18] how do you guys configure your system to allow multiple applications to a ... sound card ? [12:18] Sikis_ (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) joined ##slackware. [12:18] psypete_ (n=realname@li62-9.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] esd ? [12:18] goarilla: faster, and doesn't freeze on the google calendar sync extension any more. [12:19] cool [12:19] goarilla: thats the purpose of alsa, iirc [12:19] what about firegpg [12:20] lowkyalur: I took the .Slackbuild from -current, literally, and it worked. [12:20] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] lowkyalur: be sure to copy over the other files in that source/ directory too. [12:21] yeah alsa does it here [12:21] but it doesn't do it at work [12:21] which is frelling annoying [12:21] Sikis (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] thunderbird 3 is sexy [12:21] even tho i disabled all the pulseaudio madness [12:22] got some screens Necos [12:23] thumbs: oki, it's not the first time i compile a pkg, and -current was a great pointer, thanks [12:23] psypete (n=realname@97.107.132.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] goarilla: tried the thunderbird website, or google? [12:25] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6520449.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:26] lowkyalur: sure. [12:32] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [12:33] http://imagebin.org/80050 [12:33] that's with the beta of lightning [12:34] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] google calandar is [12:35] gmail only ? [12:35] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.12.196) joined ##slackware. [12:35] no [12:35] did you see the screen shot? [12:36] yes [12:36] i'm talking about the calendar plugin [12:36] it works with any calendar, including google calendar [12:36] you need another extension for the google calendar. [12:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] is lightning itself a local calendar ? [12:37] no you don't [12:37] google calendar supports caldav which lightning supports [12:38] i have sync with 3 calendars for my office [12:38] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] Necos: 4 Toppings... [12:38] can it do outlook/exchange crap [12:38] Necos: you didn't install provider for google calendar? [12:39] haven't tried that yet (since i don't have an exchange server to play with) [12:39] no thumbs [12:39] i'm getting fed with having to run a vm just for outlook and it's stupid company groupwise calendar [12:39] just install lightning [12:39] Necos: ah, I was having issues with that provider on 2.x [12:39] google even has instructions for how to setup google calendar with TB [12:39] Necos: I had lightning, but the older versions couldn't connect to google cal when I tried. [12:39] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Necos: yes, and those quoted the provider, if I recall correctly. [12:40] the newest one for TB2 or the beta in TB3 support it [12:40] Necos: perhaps now, yes. [12:40] not anymore [12:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [12:40] so yeah, use caldav, it's your best friend [12:41] caldav ? webdav for calendars ? [12:41] or a seperate plugin [12:41] Necos: I'll try it. [12:41] webdav for calendars [12:42] http://www.infoq.com/presentations/click-crash-course-modern-hardware [12:42] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.186.7) left irc: "Leaving" [12:42] guitarman4 (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Necos: however, the provider seems to work fine for now, on 3.0 [12:42] for those of you who wonder why the same calculation can vary upwards of a hundred times :P [12:42] so yes ... group wide calendars is possible if it resembles webdav a bit [12:43] well, lightning surely got much better with time. [12:43] yeah in the old days it was green and rarely hit people or trees [12:44] sorry it's bad joke day [12:44] http://imagebin.org/80051 [12:44] that's with lightning [12:45] not bad [12:45] or rather, that's the lightning plugin [12:45] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-016-184.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "thanks all" [12:47] Nick change: guitarman4 -> _guitarman [12:47] Nick change: _guitarman -> _guitarman_ [12:47] TB3 is just awesome :) [12:47] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] it is very nicely done [12:49] i thought the threaded reading ui was the best ive seen [12:49] I can see why it'd be useful for school. [12:50] I have much less appoointments, but I use it for reminders. [12:50] i'm a network admin for a high school, so yeah, it's very usefull [12:50] Axtroz (n=Axtroz@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [12:50] and since i get email on my blackberry too, it's pimptastic :) [12:51] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Greetings everyone. I installed PAM-1.1.1 on a Slackware-current system, following the steps described here http://www.installationwiki.org/PAM but now i'm getting "login: PAM Failure, aborting: Critical error - immediate abort" when i try to login with every account on my system. Would someone care to help ? [12:53] it's not just pam that must be installed - the software has to be pam aware and you have to make sure the pam configurations are correct [12:53] I haven't done pam yet, but I've seen the chats about it [12:53] well i followed the steps in the installation wiki to make the login pam-aware [12:54] but i think it's not :-/ [12:54] anything interesting in syslog? [12:54] can't login with any account [12:54] :-/ [12:55] oh hah [12:55] well not hah [12:55] lol [12:55] ok, first of all... it's talking about slackware 11... [12:55] that's great [12:55] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:55] outdated tutorials. [12:56] slackware and pam changed that much ? i mean... its the login for christ's sake... [12:56] lol [12:57] you forgot to make /etc/pam.d/default.conf [12:57] now your are screwed [12:57] that is WHY PAM SUCKS SO HARD :P [12:57] eheh [12:57] just boot into singleuser and you can fix it :) [12:57] macavity: careful, you'll get kicked for flooding. [12:57] not rly... [12:57] i got a spare copy of slackware's original /bin/login [12:58] seriously, i am contemplating patching pam so if /etc/pam.d/default.conf isnt found it will assume it to be there with the same mechanisms as standard non-pam'ed login [12:58] Axtroz: thats wise :P [12:58] brb [12:59] i know it may be a noobish question but /etc/pam.conf and /etc/pam.d/default.conf are 2 different things? [12:59] except the file name and location :D [13:00] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.40) joined ##slackware. [13:00] mako (n=mako@81.22.25.242) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:00] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [13:01] ulicnik21 (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [13:03] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Client Quit [13:05] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:10] exit [13:10] doh! wwrong window [13:10] alisonken1home: it's /quit [13:11] thumbs: I was trying to exit a bash shell [13:11] but the mouse was in the wrong window [13:11] alisonken1home: I know! [13:11] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] :) [13:11] alisonken1home: luckily, you did put / first [13:12] SIGBUS__ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:12] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] lucky I >didn't< put / first :) [13:14] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:17] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.68.78) joined ##slackware. [13:17] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:32] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [13:35] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-25-193-89.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [13:37] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-polypvlbplttnnub) left irc: [13:39] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [13:48] rgogunskiy (n=rgogunsk@77.41.108.200) joined ##slackware. [13:49] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:52] way back when [13:52] the mean old irc guys would offer to add newbies to their netball teams [13:52] you just had to use /signup [13:53] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: No route to host [13:53] or if that didn't work, /sign [13:53] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] GooseYArd: heh. [13:54] hah crap, i have servermsgs squelched, didnt see if anybody took the bait [13:54] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-25-193-89.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:59] so what does it do? [13:59] Action: thumbs hints Skywise at trying it... [14:00] i'm not that kinda guy [14:00] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-24-225-128.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [14:00] see ya guys gotta go [14:00] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-155-250.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [14:00] i learn from other people's mistakes [14:01] Skywise: ah, you're cheating. [14:01] i find life is less dissappointing that way [14:01] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] eheh [14:01] "a truly wise man, learns from the mistakes of others" [14:02] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] well being around irc for a while, theres always someone exploiting newbs [14:04] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [14:04] the bad thing is, all of my cruel newbie tricks rely on people running ircii [14:05] i read that as "exploding newbs" [14:05] or one of the ancient ircii toolkits [14:05] that happens too [14:05] ejej [14:06] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [14:08] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-016-184.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:11] i wish i knew some "cruel newbie tricks" [14:11] tb 3 is pretty cool [14:11] i like the composite email view [14:11] where you select multiple messages and you sort of get a summary with the first lines of every mail [14:11] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] i use horde, i like not having a local email client [14:12] i read about that [14:12] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:12] but i have multiple email accounts [14:12] Skywise: with IMAP, the mail isn't local anyway [14:12] take screenshot of someone elses desktop, open in graphics editor, rotate 180 degrees and set as wallpaper (must set taskbar to autohide and hide icons) [14:12] and don't have the cycles for web 2.0 [14:12] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [14:12] its not so much web 2.0 [14:12] goarilla: yeah huge fan of that [14:12] thats the only one i know [14:13] you don't have to use the ajax interface [14:13] firefox in general is pretty slow on a celeron 600 [14:13] but it can handle multiple accounts easily [14:13] SSL as well ? [14:13] you can login individually, and you can also setup fetchmail accounts and it will aggregate for you [14:14] you can even have each address highlighted by color [14:14] yes [14:14] i can imagine anything modern is slow on a celeron 600 [14:14] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:14] it can be used over ssl and can login to ssl imap accounts with or without signed certs [14:14] Skywise: you're the first guy that i know who prefers webmail above a local mail client [14:14] yes it is Pig_Pen [14:14] i do too, for personal mail [14:15] i love gmail [14:15] i'll tell you why, everywhere i go i can always get my email [14:15] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6520449.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [14:15] i'd use gmail if i could trust them [14:15] but awesome/fluxbox and proper drivers can make it more acceptable [14:15] at work, I need mutt [14:15] there is DeLi Linux (made just for ancient hardware) [14:15] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) left ##slackware. [14:15] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] especially on a 23 inch screen [14:15] but i even have my webmail server customised according to the domain you logged in as [14:15] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) joined ##slackware. [14:16] so you can go to mail.foo.com or mail.bar.com and they will be 2 distinct configurations run from the same server [14:16] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) left ##slackware. [14:17] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:17] but the other thing i like about it is that its always running even when my local client isn't [14:17] thank god mail has stayed standard :D [14:18] oh they're trying to fsck it up [14:18] yeah [14:18] MS again [14:18] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [14:18] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) joined ##slackware. [14:18] just fear mongering [14:18] same with dnssec [14:19] why accept dns updates from anything external ever? [14:19] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] thats not the way updates are supposed to propigate [14:19] ulicnik (n=ulicnik2@93.99.51.72) left ##slackware. [14:19] yeah bottom to top [14:19] not top to bottom [14:19] right [14:20] totally made up issue [14:20] just like certs are [14:20] i still have to send that mail to the ... netops here [14:20] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Excess Flood [14:20] that they have misconfigured exchange/mail servers to allow anyone with credentials to arbitrarely set their from address [14:20] conflating sercurity the connection with identification was the only way registrars could make money off the internet [14:21] which is heaven for spammer bots [14:21] they could also use spf [14:21] spf ? [14:21] so they're an open mail relay? [14:21] yes in effect they are [14:21] once you have a proper username/password [14:22] then it's the perfect open relay [14:22] somebody can also just buy a tldn, sign it, and sign reciprocally for free [14:22] spf is a way to dictate what machines are allowed to send mail as being from a domain [14:22] or set up dnscurve and ignore dnssec [14:22] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Excess Flood [14:22] the best solution for spam is a whitelist = delete everything except for those on the whitelist [14:22] i'm ignoring dnssec [14:22] i send mails like this to my boss [14:23] http://pastebin.ca/1752700 [14:23] i think if your dns server queries only who the root servers say to, theres no issue [14:23] spoofed a theking@kingsmansion.com [14:23] but he doesn't understand completely what it insues although i did mention it in the sig [14:23] hehe [14:23] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] but it's his job to report it [14:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.50.142) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] cause i'm the lowly pc fixer [14:24] the janitor [14:24] yeah [14:24] thats the way it goes [14:24] i hate it [14:24] he's incompetent [14:24] my stuff runs so smoothly, my customers don't think i do anything [14:24] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] but he's got a diploma and some years under his belt so he earns like 2,5 times my salary [14:25] yeah, thats a scam too [14:25] it's not an IT diploma [14:25] degrees don't prepare you for work, only more academics if at that [14:25] it's mechanical engineering [14:25] rgogunskiy_ (n=rgogunsk@77.41.108.200) joined ##slackware. [14:25] and no one works in their discipline [14:25] and really at his age [14:25] he's forgotten 80 % of the stuff anyway [14:25] except for IT guys [14:25] he's 38 iirc [14:26] toss him aside [14:26] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] i can't he's my boss and until there are practical competency tests layout by our university [14:26] some people don't think you're working unless they can see elbow flappin [14:26] i can't even tell him he's incompetent because i can't prove it [14:26] oh you're at a school [14:26] idd kslen [14:26] idd Skywise * [14:27] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] i'm not doing nothing i'm tailing /var/log/messages while ddrescuing a disc from a professor [14:27] well, first of all school is only a playground and bears no resemblence to the outside world except for the jealousy and backbiting [14:27] to see if serious trouble ensues [14:27] jjholt3 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] IDE resets and the like [14:27] unreadable sectors and sens errors ... [14:28] why people do what they do in academics is purely arbitrary [14:28] true [14:28] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] if i had gone to work before college, i'd of never have gone [14:28] but when i got this job i tought [14:28] yeah i'll be working under a real admin's arm [14:29] the guy does stuff like this more files | grep keyword [14:29] and he's got the grep command from me [14:29] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:29] lol Skywise you're working in the private sector ? [14:30] but i wanted to be an aerospace engineer so i went to college and at the first job fair, there were 3 companies and none were hiring, they only came out as a formality [14:30] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] yeah [14:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:8b) left irc: "Leaving" [14:30] praise yourself lucky although it's very hard in belgium [14:30] so then i switched to electrical engineering specializing in digitial electronics [14:30] to advertise you as a PC geek and get work without diploma's [14:31] either you go for a small startup company or you get in with big-hitter contacts [14:31] because you'll not get passed HR without that piece of paper [14:31] CRS-Finance (n=thomark@213.226.51.254) joined ##slackware. [14:31] i wanted to be an electrical engineer [14:31] now this is a while ago, but my junior summer i had an internship and go novell network certified and when i went back to schools they haven't even heard of pc lans or novell networks [14:32] but i had to go through all the bullshit courses as well which killed the plan [14:32] either you are very old or [14:32] so i still had one more year on an obsolete education [14:32] your uni was late to the networking game [14:32] this was in 89 [14:32] :D [14:32] what's wrong with banyan vines :P [14:32] er 86 [14:32] the problem with them is adding new nodes [14:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:33] i liked arcnet better then ethernet [14:33] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] ethernet back then was on rg-52 cabling with f connectors and needed to be terminated [14:33] arcnet was a star topology and you could link hubs [14:34] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:34] so you only had to make one run from the hub to the workstation [14:35] and token ring was a nightmare [14:35] just made a thunderbird 3 package from -current and now lightning is refusing to install as my 'build type' is not supported. any pointers how to resolve this? [14:35] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] star topology isn't ethernet as well ? [14:35] thin net is [14:36] the modern ethernet is [14:36] i never understand why tokenring was so popular i mean every node is essentially a gateway/forwarder [14:36] but cheapernet is still a linear bus [14:36] i mean i got a switch and multiple clients connecting to it [14:36] speed [14:36] cheapernet ? [14:36] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] goar: i think it was popular because IBM had more resellers [14:36] token ring was insanely fast because you could have more then 1 ring [14:37] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:37] also it was compatible with the existing mainframe networks [14:37] aaah zo every workstation had multiple NIC's connecting to different rings ? [14:37] sacky (i=axius@friedman.ivoltaire.org) left irc: K-lined [14:37] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] they could or you could have redundant paths [14:38] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] incase one machine dies with a token, the network would continue to use the other path until a new token was issued on the first [14:38] yeah but deciding the right path when you have redundant path's without any errors on the ring(s) [14:38] Zordrak_: ping [14:38] a default ring ? [14:38] well you have to remember, that its basically node to node comms [14:39] it is [14:39] i know [14:39] only one machine is ever sending at a time, the rest are just repeaters [14:39] true [14:39] so, you don't really have collision avoidance [14:39] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] you had to manage your rings so that there wouldn't be much contention [14:40] fibernetworks are essentially token ring [14:40] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.86) joined ##slackware. [14:41] was there only one direction [14:41] cause very node had to be connected with 2 other nodes no ? [14:41] yes, but you could have your rings go in opposite directions [14:41] every* [14:41] by choice [14:41] or by design [14:41] so your primary would go clockwise and your 2ndary counter clockwise [14:41] by design [14:41] eg could you say i'm only 2 nodes away from rik so i'll send it left [14:42] because if you had a failed node in one direction, you can get around it going the other way [14:42] aah yes i see [14:42] Does anyone have Skype application running on Slackware? [14:42] and thank you for understanding the choice vs design question :D [14:42] still building 2 rings comes at a cost [14:42] kleanchap: sure [14:42] extra wires, extra nics, ... [14:42] yes, it is expensive [14:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:43] but why was it that fast [14:43] if a node was busy [14:43] heavy IO ... [14:43] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:43] wouldn't it put a lot of latency on the packet [14:44] because you could essentially multiplex [14:44] over different rings ? [14:44] no, they're bus mastering adaptors so they can transfer data without the cpu [14:44] k [14:44] otherwise they'd saturate it idling [14:44] DMA for the win [14:44] yeah, you can do it over different rings [14:45] kleanchap: did you have a specific question? [14:45] but part of the design is segmenting it right [14:45] connection based only or did the underlying protocol not matter [14:45] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) joined ##slackware. [14:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [14:45] you could build your stack as you liked, but most would run tcp/ip ontop [14:46] since it seems like something we do with IP [14:46] sometime you'd run netbeui [14:46] and eventually if you reach dest with the good stuff doesn't matter how it came there [14:46] early days you had to buy 3rd party tcp/ip drivers and utilities [14:47] reminds me of the WinSock paid shit for win 3.1 [14:47] yeah [14:47] agony [14:47] thank god for ethernet and standards :D [14:47] but it was amazing being able to route directly to a machine then to put something on a server and have it replicated to where the client could get it [14:48] but the net isn't as robust as it should be [14:48] daisy chaining packets ? [14:49] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.12.196) left irc: "Leaving" [14:49] it shoud automatically route around damage and almost nothing does [14:49] thumbs, Sorrry, I got distracted. [14:49] but it looks like token ring was a lot more complex than IP [14:49] if it could do that [14:49] well compare it to ethernet [14:50] thumbs, where can I download Skype for Linux on Slackware? Are there any configuration issues with Skype such as voip drivers or something like that? [14:50] hello, do i need to recompile the kernel in slackware 13 to use a wacom tablet? [14:51] Hoogin, have you tried plugging it in yet? you might only need to compile a module [14:51] kleanchap: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=skype&sv=13.0 [14:52] i would think it would be detected as a mouse normally and then your software would enable the other features [14:52] Skywise: i've compiled and installed this http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/accessibility/linuxwacom/ and tried to load the driver [14:53] rgogunskiy (n=rgogunsk@77.41.108.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] Nick change: rgogunskiy_ -> rgogunskiy [14:53] what happens then? [14:54] not much i checked /proc/bus/input/devices and it says that there is no driver loaded for the tablet [14:54] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:55] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:55] what about lspci? [14:55] or lsusb [14:56] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] what port is yours on? [14:56] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] l [14:57] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] Bus 005 Device 006: ID 056a:00d4 Wacom Co., Ltd got this with lsusb [14:58] that looks installed to me [14:58] now udev might not of updated what it needed to, but it never does for me and i don't know how to fix it [14:59] i would just look /dev for newly created files since you plugged it in [14:59] -mtime option and then cat one [14:59] actually, it should be in dmesg [14:59] do some stuff on the tablet click some buttons [14:59] then if you don't see output in the cat [14:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] if he has gpm going [15:00] it's not the device go to the next one then [15:00] it's something i have been wondering tho [15:00] 2 [15:00] how to relate lspci or lsusb output to a working driver/active device node [15:01] thats what udev is for [15:01] when you get the right device name either edit the udev rules so it persists [15:01] you figure out what thats doing and you're golden [15:01] and change your xorg [15:02] to me its just in my way [15:02] i don't mind mknod and mkdev [15:02] is there a modinfo command or something like it [15:02] that made sense to me [15:02] that show you which dev nodes belong to which kernel module [15:02] fuser of the node [15:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [15:02] at the kernel level [15:03] or something like it [15:03] i think if you increase the verbosity of lspci/usb it will give more clues [15:03] it's just something that is still al ot of magic to me [15:03] no not really Skywise [15:03] yeah, theres just too much crap to keep on the top of your head [15:03] it gives memory stuff and registers and capabilities and sometimes voltages [15:03] i rely on being able to look things up [15:04] thus mostly hw related shit [15:05] and yes i have gotten a lot of trouble with udev as well [15:05] at work when i boot up [15:05] my NIC can be eth0 or eth1 [15:06] yeah, its psychotic and i don't know how to change the rules or make it do what i want [15:06] which sucks cause it throws errors in virtualbox [15:06] i end up just doing things manually [15:06] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[15:18] anything special to upgrade slack64-13 firefox to 3.5.6? i ran slackpkg upgrade mozilla-firefox and all appeared well, but when running firefox, i get /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.6/run-mozilla.sh: line 143: /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.6/firefox-bin: No such file or directory [15:19] SIGBUS__ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] locate your firefox-bin and either fix it or [15:19] that location is correct as far as i can tell [15:19] is it executable ? [15:19] You used a 32bit firefox as the upgrade [15:19] although it's not the error [15:20] aah [15:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [15:20] sounds right bob [15:20] alienBOB* [15:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] and ya know, as i was looking at the error as i typed here, i was saying...lib, what about lib64... 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Yesterday it broke and I have no idea what happened. Loading other keymaps seems to work. Will someone take a look / try to load this and see if works for you? It does do anything crazy, just add some accented chars. http://vpaste.net/cmDWu [15:28] putting it in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols and running `setxkbmap -v 10 us.cust` should do it. [15:29] I get "Error loading new keyboard description" [15:30] slava_dp (n=slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] has anyone in here every played tremulous [15:33] one time.. on an old slow machine.. not so good :( [15:34] how slow [15:34] got an celeron 600 here [15:34] <1Ghz [15:35] i played quake 3 full version on a 233 mmx [15:35] But it dit work. ....like molasses. [15:35] had 23.6 fps on timedemo after a LOT OF TWEAKING [15:35] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) joined ##slackware. [15:36] it went sort of fine until tier 4 [15:36] before the space maps [15:36] should have done that I suppose. Didnt feel like making the effort. [15:36] with anarki is tier boss [15:36] as* [15:37] Still bzflag on occasion. [15:37] it goes in waves with me [15:37] sometimes i game for 2 months [15:37] and then i stop for a year or more [15:37] bzflag is cool although it has its quirks [15:38] and feels very off at start [15:38] it's not just a tank shooter game [15:38] its an arcade game.. [15:38] it has its own set of physical laws [15:38] in 3d [15:38] yeah but it's awkward to control at first [15:38] very very very awkward [15:39] and most of the people that play it have been playing it for a long time [15:39] although some of them do remain bad [15:39] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] it takes a lot of time to be able to have skills at the guru level [15:41] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [15:42] i like watching it tho bzflag [15:42] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] and i love ctf four-way [15:42] keres (n=keres@68.102.132.62) left irc: "Leaving" [15:42] Karu (n=alch@78-28-69-8.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "leaving" [15:42] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] spectre (n=kyle@pool-173-54-182-142.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. 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[16:23] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: ";@@" [16:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:30] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] dive: are you around today? [16:35] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.12.196) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] does anyone happen to know the URL to dives pidgin 2.6.5 slackbuild? [16:38] coldcog: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/pidgin-2.6.5/ [16:39] awha! perfect thank you [16:40] im gonna chmod +x this even though i dont need to right rworkman? lol [16:40] those little wireless mouse that come with the USB fob, what type of wireless is it? bluetooth? infared? radio? [16:40] you know, you can just use the slackware script and change the number? [16:41] Pig_Pen, radio i believe [16:41] Axtroz (n=Axtroz@77.78.15.8) left irc: "Leaving" [16:42] ah, i thought so, i did pick up some RFI while using one before, just was not absolutly sure [16:42] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:42] drop it like it's hot! [16:43] PhotoJim (n=jim@adelaide.ip6.photojim.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Mp3 (n=aaa@20158025159.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: ""Nós somos os indesejáveis, chefiados pelos incompetentes, fazendo o indispensável para os ingratos" (Ten Cel Fernando Prínci [16:46] substanc1v (n=substanc@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] hey whats up... [16:47] im trying to use ssh with -X to forward X11... but i get no display specified... ive read that this is because i lack xauth [16:51] rgogunskiy (n=rgogunsk@77.41.108.200) left ##slackware. [16:53] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [16:54] No, I guess your ssh server is not configured to forward X substanc1v [16:54] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [16:55] salutations! [16:55] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [16:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:57] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Client Quit [16:58] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [17:00] fire|bird: did dive not get around to making that slackbuild executable? [17:01] coldcog: I'm not sure, maybe he didn't on purpose, you'd have to ask him. :) [17:01] You download it coldcog... then it is your box who makes it executable (or not) [17:02] wicd is an interesting utility [17:02] yeah we were talking about this last night [17:02] it's annoying that eth0 gets disconnected whenever I try to get a connection via wlan0 though [17:02] about how the builds off of slackbuilds dont need to have chmod ran before you ./ them [17:03] godling: yeah, sorry. [17:03] why are you sorry? [17:03] Action: NaCl works on wicd [17:03] is it your tool? [17:03] ah [17:03] no worries [17:03] That will be fixed in wicd 2.0. [17:03] it takes a herculean feat to get any project off the ground in the first place [17:03] mattallmill (n=mattallm@ip98-186-163-10.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] trye [17:04] *true [17:04] godling: it's not my project, I just help with it. [17:04] ok fine, then I take back props [17:04] all mine are still in src/work/junkyard/* :-/ [17:04] you get no props! [17:05] mattallmill (n=mattallm@ip98-186-163-10.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] what's even more annoying is my school's wireless network which uses LEAP [17:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-221.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] I've been trying unsuccessfully to manage a connection to it using wicd, rc.wireless, and even just manually with no luck [17:08] Does anyone know of a p7m viewer for linux? [17:09] not offhand [17:09] I'd have to Google for it [17:09] i don't think there is one [17:09] there was supposed to be a read only port, but it never worked for me [17:10] yeah ive been looking around and I cant seem to find one, i guess thats why lol [17:10] godling: LEAP? that pretty much means wap_supplicant [17:10] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] yes macavity [17:11] you can just call wpa_supplicant manually and see what it says [17:11] for some reason wpa_supplicant kept trying to connect to any ap instead of the one I told it to [17:11] macavity: I did, several times [17:11] the manpages for wpa_supplicant[.conf] is rather good [17:12] it's alright [17:13] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [17:13] I've never tried to connect to my school network with Slackware installed before :) [17:14] I'd always had archlinux or debian installed on this machine [17:14] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [17:14] it's interesting that I could always find something to annoy me about the way they did it. [17:15] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:15] did someone say my name? [17:16] So I'm either an insufferable clod or I just happen to end up finding out exactly where other developers started calling it in [17:16] my buffer only has short term memory it seems [17:16] kslen: you can change that. [17:16] kslen: what application are you using to IRC? [17:16] i installed pidgin 2.6.5 from http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/pidgin-2.6.5/ and have 2.6.3 available from slackpkg [17:16] if it's a console client you may have to change the buffer size of your terminal as well [17:17] ya, i knoes. using xchat atm. haven't properly configured it yet. master procrastinator is me [17:17] would you recommend blacklisting 2.6.3 from slackpkg to avoid downgrading back to it? [17:17] :D [17:17] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.16.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:18] sirslacker (n=AndChat@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-179-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:21] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.68.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:21] ugh. no copy paste from firefox into urxvt :P [17:21] digitalhead (n=digitalh@pool-151-205-35-177.clrk.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] wheel click to paste in to your terminal [17:24] Pig_Pen: normally, yes [17:24] Pig_Pen: not in vim though [17:24] :/ [17:24] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] if I do a cat > temp_file and then copy/paste it's cool but I can't do anything when I'm in vim [17:24] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] in vimtutor lession in section 6.4 shows how to paste [17:25] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [17:25] digitalhead (n=digitalh@pool-151-205-35-177.clrk.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:26] Pig_Pen: fyi, you're telling me to rtfm something I read a very long time ago :) [17:26] maybe you need a refresher ;p [17:26] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:26] or maybe you could be a bit less condescending? [17:26] lets hug it out guys [17:26] or wait [17:27] nah [17:27] there's alwasy so much unbridled aggression in IRC [17:27] its the pent-up nerd rage [17:28] more or less, I suppose [17:29] it's like when I am standing at the bus stop and the driver of the bus sees me as she just blows right past me [17:29] you dont live in boston do you [17:29] I want to call the transit authority and complain but I know there's not a damned thing it will accomplish [17:30] so I have to let the rage dissipate instead [17:30] GooseYArd: no, worse [17:30] GooseYArd: los angeles county :/ [17:30] public transit sucks balls out here but it's what we're used to :D [17:30] man i sent so many letters to the MBTA [17:31] at some point you've got to think "is this really important enough for me to get pissed off about?" [17:31] I wish that worked though because it's usually involuntary for me [17:31] yeah i used the letter writing as a kind of therapy [17:32] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [17:32] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:32] id point out how disappointed their families would be in them [17:33] so what's popular as a network manager other than wicd or knetworkmanager? [17:33] coldcog, if you plan on having your own pidgin package going from now on, then blacklist it [17:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:33] how their children would suffer from the shame of being the offspring of an ineffective low ranking public official [17:33] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.16.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] te (n=te@host69-53-83-218.birch.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] godling, iwconfig [17:33] sirslacker (n=AndChat@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: "come back on labtop" [17:34] hiptobecubic: can i un-blacklist it later? in case i dont want to be responsible for keeping it upgraded if my 2.6.5 becomes obsolete? [17:34] hiptobecubic: haha, that was witty [17:34] :P [17:34] coldcog, sure. /etc/slackpkg/blacklist [17:35] aw niiice [17:35] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:35] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Immundus (n=obi@e179141030.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [17:37] now hopefully ill remember ive blacklisted my slackpkg pidgin once my other source is obsolete :p [17:39] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:39] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:39] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:39] adamk (n=user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] coldcog, pidgin will let you know. that's how i do it [17:40] although i just use the slackware buildscript [17:40] coldcog: if you are doing Video and voice you might wanna blacklist the gst packages as well. [17:41] do you guys have you kernel blacklisted? [17:41] i'm getting this error in rtorrent http://pastebin.com/m1d37925, anyone have a idea what is happening? [17:41] adaptr (n=jgeilman@80.101.132.114) joined ##slackware. [17:41] what are the dangers of having the gst packages of updating? [17:41] te (n=te@host69-53-83-218.birch.net) got netsplit. [17:41] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) got netsplit. [17:41] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) got netsplit. [17:41] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-24-225-128.web.vodafone.de) got netsplit. 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[17:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) returned to ##slackware. [17:43] i dont know exactly, i know i have things the readme had listed like farsight and all those, i dont remember them all but i have those... [17:47] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] Nikopol (i=nikopol@unaffiliated/nemesis128) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] Kamel (n=1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:47] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) got lost in the net-split. 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[17:47] mindbendr (n=neveraga@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got netsplit. [17:47] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) got netsplit. [17:47] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) got netsplit. [17:47] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) got netsplit. [17:47] hmm.. base and good are official i guess [17:47] hiptobecubic: yup. [17:47] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [17:47] i dont know if those constitute V&V though.. [17:48] coldcog: you have to compile pidgin with V&V and also have more gst stuff. [17:48] i don't think dive submitted the pidgin V&V slackbuild. [17:48] fred (n=fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] hiptobecubic: the version 2.6.3 i had before was working fine, i just upgraded it cause i was bored [17:49] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Pig_Pen: can you middle-click paste into vim? [17:51] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:52] coldcog, don't worry about blacklisting them. I left them as is and VV works fine here [17:52] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "leaving" [17:52] Ephedrax_ (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:52] testing [17:52] dive's build lists the vv deps. So does the pidgin site i'm sure [17:52] anyway all i have blacklisted is pidgin [17:52] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.40) joined ##slackware. [17:52] sheesh godling i was not being condescending towards you [17:52] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:52] BP{k}_ (n=michiel@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] SlackNews (i=nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) got lost in the net-split. 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[17:53] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Success [17:53] we should all give up this futile endeavor and use Windows 7! all hail microsoft! [17:53] turn back! turn back! darkness will envelop you mwahahahaha [17:53] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:53] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Broken pipe [17:53] coldcog, it's good to keep it up-to-date though because the protocols are always changing and they have to constantly tweak things [17:53] hiptobecubic: good deal, i just blacklisted only pidgin from slack pkg and everything seems to be fine so far.. [17:53] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [17:53] agentc0re, hm? [17:53] Sikis (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) joined ##slackware. [17:53] actually with VV is the default [17:53] It disables it automatically if you don't have the deps [17:53] Channel flood from hiptobecubic -- kicking [17:53] i have vv right now and i'm using the official slackbuild [17:53] agentc0re: so i dont have V&V then? haha [17:53] hiptobecubic kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:53] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:53] cause i didnt really do anyhting special other than run the slackbuild from dive [17:53] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision) [17:53] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:53] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Nick change: fred -> Guest48646 [17:53] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] Pig_Pen: sorry, I'm used to being treated as such in here. [17:53] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [17:54] Kamel (n=1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] I think vim is compiled by default with -xterm_clipboard [17:54] fire|bird (i=ad118b19@gateway/web/freenode/x-nezjrphudxjuhzcr) joined ##slackware. [17:54] lol [17:54] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] yeah, lame [17:54] coldcog: i didn't know that the SBo got updated for V&V. so just ignore me. [17:54] oh [17:54] not aimed towards me [17:54] nevermind :) [17:54] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Scuzz (n=scuzz@d221-71-85.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] asamoah_ (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [17:56] stupid lag [17:56] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:56] agentc0re: yeah but i didnt get it from sbo, so i probly had V&V until i "upgraded" to 2.6.5 [17:56] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] unless dive included it in his build aswell [17:56] hiptobecubic: haha [17:56] i dont really care either way cause i dont use V&V, its just interesting to know [17:56] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [17:56] hiptobecubic: hey, you flooded.... 20 minutes ago! [17:56] lag lag lag [17:57] Action: snL20 changed server :P [17:57] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:57] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] mindbendr (n=neveraga@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:57] these linux benchmarks are hysterical [17:57] hiptobecubic: So i didn't know that the sbo script got updated for v&v... just ignore me... :P but i would think you still need to blacklist the gst packages, right? it's been a while since messing around with it and i thought the ones that came with slackware had to get replaced for some reason. [17:57] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] :D [17:58] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:58] GooseYArd: which? [17:58] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: [17:58] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:58] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] macavity (i=d4584901@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [17:58] like ubuntu 10 vs fedora 13 [17:58] gripping action [17:59] whut the.. i cant connect via irssi, but i can with webchat.freenode.org [17:59] macavity: same here. [17:59] *.net [17:59] "The rc.wireless.conf file is a bit untidy." [17:59] ok [17:59] that statement is from the current slackbook and boy is it an understatement ;P [17:59] mac: yah i got knocked off a minute ago [18:00] i think we are under packet faggot attack [18:00] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [18:00] having multiple source with different versions of the same package is so much fun :D [18:00] lagity lag [18:00] agentc0re, not positive really. But everything is working here and all i've done is blacklisted pidgin and use the official pidgin SlackBuild with a bumped $VERSION [18:00] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:00] macavity: I have to either retry a few times to get on irc.freenode.net unless I try to connect to a specific server [18:00] hiptobecubic: i'm gonna shut my trap then. [18:00] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [18:01] that's been happening for months now, though [18:01] [Lag: 20.81] am i still here? [18:01] Pig_Pen: yeah [18:01] Pig_Pen: but just barely, hold on for dear life. :P [18:01] 4.56 lag here [18:01] I blame lilo [18:02] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] yeah in 2.6.5 at least, vv is enabled by default and it will fallback if it has to [18:02] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:02] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:02] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Dead socket [18:03] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.7) left irc: [18:06] I blame #ubuntu [18:06] ok, the staffers are already on it [18:06] macavity (i=d4584901@gateway/web/freenode/x-uljxzoqkhlztyqur) left irc: "Page closed" [18:09] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:09] Xires012 (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Excess Flood [18:09] godling ehehe [18:09] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:09] veritos (i=80d0e9ca@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [18:09] this kind of thing wouldnt happen if we had plymouth [18:09] veritos (i=80d0e9ca@gateway/web/freenode/session) left ##slackware. [18:09] veritos (i=80d0e9ca@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [18:09] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Dead socket [18:09] werdan7 (n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) left irc: Dead socket [18:10] Is there a way to list running programs? I know about 'ps aux | grep [p]rocessname' but that is also catching an unrelated program that happens to have 'processname' as an argument. [18:10] For example, I want to get *just* the instances of /sbin/apcupsd. [18:11] i blame microsoft for all my problems [18:11] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] my jeep broke yesterday and im pretty sure its microsofts fault [18:12] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [18:12] _RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:12] macavity: those kids have no life, yeah. [18:12] Lag: 78 [18:14] macavity_ (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:14] wow.. [18:14] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit. 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[18:14] Alright friends. Someone's gotta test this out. anyone. http://vpaste.net/cmDWu i can't load my keyboard map and i don't know if it's my machine or what [18:14] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:15] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) returned to ##slackware. [18:15] slackd0Od (n=slackd00@c-24-19-217-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] crn__ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [18:15] ok.. services are overloaded too [18:15] smyge (n=zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:15] SiegeX- (i=219@76.102.150.28) joined ##slackware. [18:15] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.178) joined ##slackware. [18:15] adaptr_ (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:15] lol [18:15] Nick change: macavity_ -> macavity [18:15] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) got netsplit. [18:15] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) got netsplit. [18:15] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.40) got netsplit. 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[18:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [18:18] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [18:18] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Nikopol (i=nikopol@unaffiliated/nemesis128) joined ##slackware. [18:18] what? [18:18] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:18] veritos a better way to do it, if its a daemon, is to get the canonical pid from /var/run/acupsd.pid, and call like pstree -p `cat /var/run/acupsd.pid` [18:18] or whatever the name of acupsd's pidfile is [18:18] grepping usually works but it can fail in spectacular ways [18:18] aieeee!! 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[18:24] Nick change: rworkman_ -> rworkman [18:24] damn netspilts. anyone familiar with paexec? ive been trying to compile it cant get it on gnu/linux with gcc 4.4.2 and qmake/make/bmake [18:24] Nick change: godling -> Guest73466 [18:24] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] nix_chix0r: you toying again? :P [18:24] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Broken pipe [18:24] "pgrep apcupsd" [18:24] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:24] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] acidchil1 (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] talk about mAjor netslpit [18:25] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:25] fred (n=fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:29] tew- (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got lost in the net-split. [18:29] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [18:29] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] toying? [18:29] veritos, you can use pid files depending on the program? Not helpful for everything but what are you trying to do? [18:29] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:29] ohdannyboy (n=dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-132-249.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:30] pid files [18:30] /var/lock/processname.pid ? [18:30] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [18:31] abarahc (n=abarahc@189.82.196.43) joined ##slackware. [18:31] hello :} [18:31] go AWAY ! [18:31] abarahc (n=abarahc@189.82.196.43) left ##slackware. [18:31] te (n=te@host69-53-83-218.birch.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:31] freenode is still under attack my lag is spiking [18:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-132-249.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) [18:32] Nick change: fred -> Guest71137 [18:32] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [18:32] man! [18:32] freenode should just pull out of china [18:32] talso (n=talso@S0106000d7ebd5235.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] like google is threatening to do [18:32] what's up with the irc network? [18:33] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:34] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-100-32.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Operation timed out [18:34] offcourse we all know they are doing it to get a better deal and some gov help [18:34] but ffs [18:34] let the chinks just use their badu [18:34] Channel flood from goarilla -- kicking [18:34] and pull out [18:34] finally an american company that can pull out of a quagmire [18:34] goarilla kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:34] nille_ (i=1000@83.233.249.176) joined ##slackware. [18:34] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:35] has things calmed down by now? [18:35] whoa... [18:35] what is going on? [18:35] oh.. apparently not [18:35] edman007_: whole sale attack [18:35] macavity, please put the cable back [18:35] ok, at least i am not lagging out like hell on this server [18:35] macavity, we should setup a defensive line [18:35] Mkman (n=tiago@bl7-4-19.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:35] anyone got an ideal insta-cluster app? [18:35] im trying to get paexec to compile, so far no luck [18:35] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [18:35] jade jade you type 6 lines in a minute and you get kicked for spam after a net rejoin [18:36] dngr (n=dngr@n112118168098.netvigator.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:36] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:37] is anyone ready for a stupid question? [18:38] no [18:38] Well this is terrible. [18:38] everyone is busy typing /part and /join [18:38] hey goarilla, hate to interupt, but is there a netsplit underway? [18:39] Nick change: Stx -> Guest24918 [18:39] ok feel free to not answer or call me names but how do i set my system to polling so my cdrom mounts when i put a disk in? [18:39] Bugz__ (n=Bugz_@75.42.71.69) left irc: Broken pipe [18:39] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Broken pipe [18:40] there are several underway [18:40] t4ls0 (n=talso@S0106000d7ebd5235.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] shit is hitting the ventilators [18:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.249) joined ##slackware. [18:40] goarilla: thanks; wasn't sure if it was just at my end [18:41] just block all the asian and russian ip's freenode [18:42] macavity, well there goes that, don't mention "lag" again [18:42] i think the staffers are all ready on it [18:42] "time to kick ass and chew bubble gum.... and i'm aaaall outa gum" :P [18:42] oh crap [18:42] Channel flood from macavity -- kicking [18:42] lag is climbing severly here [18:42] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] heheheh i guess he's kicked for flooding :D [18:44] i guess some people just can't get dates on friday night [18:44] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:44] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] how often does this flooding happen? [18:45] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [18:45] no i can't Skywise [18:45] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:45] i have a disease it's called [18:45] general uglyness and geekiness [18:45] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Success [18:45] talso (n=talso@S0106000d7ebd5235.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] veritos, ps -C lol [18:45] whoa... [18:45] thumbs, save me [18:45] thats ok, the best part about dating is chasing women [18:45] every 4 seconds [18:45] they're not as much fun after you catch 'e, [18:45] yeah but rape is illegal Skywise [18:45] O.o [18:45] unless you're in conservative muslimland [18:46] goarilla, if you have to worry about catching them, you've been exercising too much. [18:46] you can rape a woman there and she'll get jailtime [18:46] this is interesting. is the network under attack? [18:46] :D [18:46] godling: i seems like it is [18:46] godling: it has been for the last 2 weeks [18:47] but it gets worse in the weekends [18:47] that's pretty lame [18:47] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-58-163.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [18:47] humans [18:47] gotta love 'em [18:47] NO I HATE THEM [18:47] well, if you could have sex without strings you'd be missing something, but you can't [18:47] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:47] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [18:47] sex without strings? i rather use rope or handcuffs ;p [18:47] there are women who you pay to have the strings dettached Skywise [18:48] sex without strings is hardly kinky enough [18:48] :P [18:48] in the places you can pay, thats the best way to go [18:48] get what you want over and done [18:48] GIVE TO ME THE SWINGING LOVE HARNESS [18:48] edman007_ (n=edman007@ool-18bca8f3.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [18:48] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) got netsplit. [18:48] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) got netsplit. [18:48] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [18:48] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.118.227) got netsplit. [18:48] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) got netsplit. [18:48] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) got netsplit. [18:48] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) got netsplit. [18:48] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got netsplit. [18:48] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) got netsplit. [18:48] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [18:48] Nikopol (i=nikopol@unaffiliated/nemesis128) got netsplit. [18:48] giggity [18:48] there is always saudi-arabia Skywise :D [18:48] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Client Quit [18:48] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:48] no, i don't go to those kinds of places [18:49] me neither [18:49] 2 much sand and hairy women [18:49] and crazy laws [18:49] one would thikn in a worm sandy country like SA ... [18:50] it would have been filled by californian style women but NO [18:50] warm* [18:50] the whole idea of a vacation resort under sharia law is an oxymoron to me [18:50] Skywise: if you're a muslim man [18:50] it's pretty cool :D [18:50] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:50] i guess it would be [18:51] and theres prolly some people who'd enjoy a moron disneyland, but i wouldn't [18:51] why ? you could remarry for a few times and then divorce after the holiday is over [18:52] far as i can tell, marrage was not intended for my benefit [18:53] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "Changing server" [18:53] fire|bird (i=ad118b19@gateway/web/freenode/x-nezjrphudxjuhzcr) left irc: Ping timeout: 181 seconds [18:53] they are not morrons they are just a few centuries behind in 'it's the right thing to do' policies [18:53] but it could be because of choice [18:53] they are conservative they see how women in our world makes us go batshit insane and i guess they don't want it :D [18:53] i meant to say mormons but it came out that way and decided it was the same thing [18:53] moron disneyland? 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[18:58] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [18:58] if i kill tom cruise and get back to my country can i be sentenced and put in to jail in my own country ? [18:58] yeah it was [18:58] it was a bet i think [18:58] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] chopp (n=chopp@d204-191-90-12.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] and well he kind of won [18:59] Nick change: edman007 -> Guest51528 [18:59] i remember seeing a movie of it in like black and white in the late 60's [18:59] EvanR (n=Amy@70.180.47.185) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Ron L hubbard was so damn ugly [19:00] crooked teeth with plaques and then those snake eyes and slimey grim [19:01] grrrrrrrrrr he really looked demonical to me [19:01] in the late 60's/made in the late 60' [19:01] Nick change: Guest51528 -> edman007\ [19:01] i was only born when freddy mercury was dancinghis final steps [19:01] Nick change: edman007\ -> edman007 [19:01] i just installed slackware 13. wtf is this gremlin with a beak or something during boot [19:02] it's a tasmanian devil [19:02] with a penguin fetish [19:02] someone should report it, i think pat missed it before release [19:02] he did write some funny books tho [19:02] linus put it in there for the protection of the tasmanian devil non profit or something [19:02] i don't know [19:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:03] its a tuxedo earing duck [19:03] wait this is in all vanilla kernels??? [19:03] people say it's pulp fiction [19:03] wearing [19:03] and i hate pulp fiction [19:03] i rather read porn [19:03] no, this is a series he wrote [19:03] with pictures offcourse [19:03] Skywise: i will never read books of him [19:04] never never never [19:04] mein kampf is also a very good book [19:04] but i'll never read it [19:04] no, no this isn't anything of the sort [19:05] its a series called the mission earth [19:05] i still have the last 2 books of dark tower to finish [19:05] i'm halfway through the 6th [19:05] sort of [19:05] and its about the invaision of earth, its 10 books [19:05] and its hilarious [19:05] and i fucking hate it he's destroying the series [19:05] hitchikers guide to the galaxy hilarious ? [19:06] yes [19:06] or just hilarious cause it's awfully stupid [19:06] no [19:06] its genuinely hilarious [19:06] and it hits that stupid ~--> funny treshold of yours [19:06] but download it [19:06] you'll wanna finish the whole series [19:06] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:06] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) joined ##slackware. [19:07] i have it in hardback, it was that good [19:07] give me the series name [19:07] i'll cat it to some random file [19:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Earth_(novel) [19:07] cityOfLights (n=cityOfLi@bzq-84-109-35-245.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] which i'll notice when i do some maintenance [19:08] i have the following setup: Internet <----> router:192.168.1.1 <-----> router:192.168.168.2.1 <-----> router:192.168.3.1 all with netmask 255.255.255.0 [19:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] its written as a confession of an enemy agent [19:09] i can ping google from router 192.168.3.1 ( 192.168.2.10 ) but i cannot ping from one of its hosts ( example 192.168.3.100 ) [19:09] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-48.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:09] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [19:09] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-119.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] yarvin (n=yarvin@66.58.217.49) joined ##slackware. [19:09] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [19:09] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:09] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.30) joined ##slackware. [19:09] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [19:09] SlackNews (i=nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] razel, now why would you go and do something like that [19:09] 1: for fun, 2: what else would i do [19:09] why all the routers? [19:10] 3 floors [19:10] 3 routers [19:10] heej is anyboàdy here good at facebook [19:10] and getting further than what hey promise [19:10] put them all on the same subnet, use the one connected to the modem as the gateway and dhcp server [19:10] use all the others as switches [19:11] funny things happen when i do that [19:11] it would be better to fix that then to fix what you've done about it [19:11] like packets are routed in the wrong direction [19:12] why whats wrong with my subnets [19:12] they're not subnetted but masq'd [19:12] and thats the real issue [19:12] hmm [19:13] can you just connect the cable to the lan port instead of the wan port on everything but the internet one, you should be ok [19:13] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Client Quit [19:13] yeah [19:13] and the other 2 shouldn't have their dhcp on [19:13] strange things happen when i do that [19:13] well we should find out why [19:13] i was reading the dark tower books at some point. i quit in the middle. i forget why. [19:14] ok this is the babe that started working with us sort of [19:14] http://www.facebook.com/people/Sylvie-Van-Loon/689170901 [19:14] if i try to ping 192.168.1.1 ... which router is that ? they all have 192.168.1.1 as address [19:14] huh [19:14] you should put them into bridge mode rather router [19:14] cityOfLights (n=cityOfLi@bzq-84-109-35-245.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) got netsplit. [19:14] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [19:14] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) got netsplit. [19:14] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got netsplit. [19:14] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) got netsplit. [19:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [19:14] yarvin (n=yarvin@66.58.217.49) got netsplit. [19:14] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [19:14] SlackNews (i=nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) got netsplit. [19:14] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) got netsplit. [19:14] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.30) got netsplit. [19:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-119.bstnma.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. [19:14] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) got netsplit. [19:14] hmm maybe i didnt read enough [19:15] so they just echo traffic instead of masquerade it [19:15] i've had good success putting the routers on individual subnets, and then turning off their dhcp and not using the WAN ports on any of them, just using them like switches [19:16] you want them to act like 1 contiguous ethernet segment [19:16] what if i dont want that [19:16] you'd be crazy not to [19:16] why ? [19:16] why not [19:16] whats so bad about it [19:16] except for the actual gateway [19:16] EvanR (n=Amy@70.180.47.185) left irc: "leaving" [19:16] then if i want to configure one, i plug into it and manually put m yself on the same subnet [19:16] it doesn't work for one thing [19:17] look how horny and sexy she looks [19:17] http://www.kuleuven.be/cv/u0064375.htm [19:17] long long loooooooooooooooong legs [19:17] i think you would only need to segment the network if you had alot of competing traffic [19:18] like if you had 2 computers sending alot of data on the lan, and it was causing lag on everyone else surfing the net [19:18] ut: what subnets did you use [19:18] then i'd segment those 2 machines [19:18] yes skywise [19:18] how do i do that [19:19] the best way is to use switched ethernet [19:19] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) returned to ##slackware. [19:19] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) returned to ##slackware. 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[19:19] just like 192.168.1.{1,2,3} [19:19] other then then that you create the appropriate netmasks [19:19] they're all cheap linksys routers [19:19] so you'd use a 255.255.0.0 mask [19:19] since you don't want your subnets to crosstalk [19:19] er, i mean 192.168.{1,2,3}.* [19:20] ut: i have the same configuration but im using the wan port..is that bad ? [19:20] the end result is that everything is on 192.168.3.* [19:20] if you're trying to do exactly what i do, then it won't work with the wan port [19:20] the netmask tells which bits of the mask to ignore [19:20] you ignore all the 1s and pay attention to the places of the mask [19:20] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-177-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:20] it worked for the 2nd router ... [19:21] actually now that i think about it i got 4..one is a voip [19:21] so i got Internet <--- R1 <--- R2 <---R3 <---R4 [19:21] i can ping google from all except hosts on R4 [19:21] so what happens to freenode in 2 weeks? [19:22] packetee1 (n=zed@150.101.122.57) left irc: Connection timed out [19:22] < simbolizes WAN port [19:22] Skywise: they switch ircd's. [19:23] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [19:23] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] you know what they're switching too? [19:23] razel, you'll have multiple layers of nat. maybe you've got subnet conflicts? [19:24] Skywise: ircd-seven [19:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Skywise: you can test it now at testnet.freenode.net 9002 or 9003 for ssl [19:25] all my netmasks are 255.255.255.0 [19:25] chopp, you know the reason for the move? [19:28] oh, are the channels up on that? [19:28] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-107-11-138.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] i'm there but no one else is [19:29] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:30] theres only 8 in a pizza [19:30] *its [19:30] my children abandoned their chicken nuggets [19:30] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:30] so i ate all those as well [19:30] that'll learn 'em [19:31] Action: GooseYArd rumbles [19:31] yah its usually an effective means of getting them to eat [19:31] i do the same sort of thing, the wife calls me "The Human Garbage Disposer" [19:31] Action: ut never wanted to eat chicken nuggets as a kid either [19:31] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:31] i eat all the leftovers [19:32] Skywise: "for reasons of stability and functionality" is what there blog sais. Some channels are. [19:32] #freenode [19:32] <|Slacker|> Skywise, here we have pizzas of 12 slices [19:32] we're leaving the house for a week so i figured it was a bad idea to leave leftovers [19:32] yeah, i always clean out the fridge before a trip incase the power goes out [19:33] man [19:33] whats wrong with coming back and instead of having regular cheese have fine dine blue funghi cheese Skywise ? [19:33] just the hospital bills [19:33] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] a tree fell at my little cabin one time, knocked the power line down [19:34] :) [19:34] i had about 150lbs of venison in the freezer [19:34] thank god for social medicare :P [19:34] how much is that in a real measurement GooseYArd [19:34] when we got there, there was a note from the electric utility dated about 3 months earlier that we'd need to run the new line ourselves [19:34] it stinks just as bad in metric or imperial [19:35] so who knows how much longer the line had been down [19:35] soo... 150 pounds of deer meat goes ransid? [19:35] that would be a smelly mess to clean up [19:35] it was beyond human comprehension [19:35] been there, damn. [19:35] i'm sick of doing X lbs in kg in google [19:35] well you can find out if it had tricinoisis or not cause they'd be all growed up by then [19:35] we wrapped up the freezer in duct tape [19:35] yeah, that stink is embedded [19:36] you see when mythbusters put the pig carcasses in a vette? [19:36] naah you can get it gone [19:36] then discovered that we had framed the door after we brought the freezer inside [19:36] oh noes [19:36] long story short, we burned the freezer [19:36] framed the door* what does that mean [19:36] lol [19:36] did that fix it? [19:36] goar- put up a frame and hung a door and stuff [19:37] so we had to tear the door out to get it out of the cabin [19:37] a kilo is 2.2 pounds or 34 ounces [19:37] he'd have to take the door down to get it out [19:37] it was a party [19:37] adaptr (n=adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:37] so [19:37] you need a solar powered freezer [19:37] no doubt [19:37] the freeezer was put in the basement first and then the rest was build ? [19:38] so you needed to drill to get rid of your stinky situation ? [19:38] goar no we had a kind of rickety wooden door up at first, then put in a nicer house-type door later [19:38] so whats the proble [19:38] ? [19:38] no one had anticipated needing to conduct an exorcism on the freezer [19:38] they frame the opening to fit the door, not the other way around [19:38] oak or metal door with steel doorframe & threashold [19:38] so .... [19:39] yeah the problem was you couldnt take the freezer out through the only door, unless we had taken the door off the freezer [19:39] it didn't fit in the door ? [19:39] right [19:39] prehung doors are a breeze, i hung millions of em [19:39] OK [19:39] and taking the door off the freezer was not an option [19:39] :) [19:39] that's what i was thinking all along jeeez [19:39] oldskool type of door GooseYArd ? bunker style ! [19:40] well the door was a minor inconvenience compared to the 150lbs of nearly sentient meat inside [19:40] see, i might of just said we found the cabin burnt to the ground and we need a new one [19:40] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: [19:40] ahah yeah [19:40] those big cruved thingies can go on for decades [19:40] i think that came up [19:40] they are awesome [19:41] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] man we had some spectacular accidents at that cabin [19:41] don't mind the colours but this [19:41] this is a fridge http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/light/Publications/LightReading/09_01/fridge.jpg [19:42] looks like an antique from the 1950'a or 60's [19:42] yeah it is [19:42] and when threated decently [19:43] Action: adaptr decently threatens [19:43] SMEG ftw [19:43] it still works and is easy to fix when it doesn't work [19:43] urthwrm_ (n=hooch@124-170-230-30.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:43] hah smeg is awesome [19:43] i also want one of those Primus washing machines [19:44] it looks oldskool [19:44] Are these damn netsplits over yet? [19:44] SMEG [19:44] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.249) left irc: "Leaving" [19:44] but [19:44] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [19:44] it doesn't have the bulk of it [19:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:44] old fridges are like nuclear submarine compartments [19:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [19:45] anyone got advice for making slackware sd-card-hard-drive (netbook) friendly? i am not saying slackware isn't already, just what your thoughts are and what system administration philosophy ought tobe [19:45] use ext2 [19:45] don't swap [19:45] i'm thinking keep the 4gb sd card in it (or upgrade to 8gb) and add a 32gb so that 8gb = / and 32gb = /home etc [19:45] minimize logging [19:46] Action: Delahunt would rather not use ext2 [19:46] Action: Delahunt but advice taken [19:46] nothing wrong with ext2 [19:46] Action: Delahunt didn't say there was anything wrong with ext2 [19:46] its a sound filesystem [19:46] a journal does get hammered a lot [19:46] aah [19:46] and noatime,norelatime in fstab [19:46] yeah i figured that was what the reason was: the journal hammering [19:46] ah [19:47] no swap? [19:47] yes no swap [19:47] on that device [19:47] i don't know if that will be possible after some time spent using the machine [19:47] why ? [19:47] oh so put the swap on the 32gb (the write-happy sd card) and leave the 8gb (/) alone [19:47] if you get out of memory [19:47] he's saying don't put a swap partition on the sd drive [19:47] the OOM will wake up [19:47] OOM? [19:48] and kill stuff you probably need [19:48] :D [19:48] Out-of-Memory [19:48] how much ram has it got [19:48] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-48.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: "things that now seem to be vital, tomorrow will be important only and in a few days, just the memories! so don't worry, I wil [19:48] but you rather want that situation handled fast (eg with ram saturated) than with SWAP (harddisk saturated) [19:48] GooseYArd, 1gb [19:49] Delahunt: wayy too little [19:49] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-48.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [19:49] i may upgrade to 2gb but i'm using this netbook mainly as a software design / learning experience so i won't be pressured to upgrade [19:49] put in 4gB, then we'll talk [19:49] cause in the latter case you'll be waiting for the swap to fill up and during that time you will not have any responsiveness [19:49] id just throw it on there and run with it [19:49] i'm wondering if a major kernel mechanism would be required [19:49] it depends on your usage [19:49] well if you use firefox lol [19:49] but 1 gb would be fine for me [19:50] man [19:50] -/+ buffers/cache: 372 511 [19:50] i don't even have it now [19:50] i remember having to buy 4 extra mb of ram so I could run Mosaic in X [19:50] and it must have cost me like, jesus 300 bucks [19:50] and all my apps are running for 5 days now which isn't the usage case of a netbook [19:50] GooseYArd: Linux will use what it has; that's especially true if you run without swap [19:50] drat! [19:51] what is netbook usage btw? do they normally get left on or no? [19:51] delahunt you should put QNX or something on it [19:51] i mean, i normally leave all my machines on... [19:51] yeah but OOM will kill stuff when out of memory [19:51] *barf* [19:51] it's the 900A, it comes with Linux already [19:51] but not the right Linux [19:51] i'd be putting that card in the closet for later because i'm putting slackware on it [19:51] qnx would rule on those itty bitty machines [19:51] haha yeah not the right Linux [19:52] GooseYArd: great, and you could do...what with it ? [19:52] QNX really ? [19:52] anything [19:52] it's so damn special purpose [19:52] i'm wondering if openoffice would be overkill on a netbook [19:52] whats next VxWorks [19:52] they have their whole cute little desktop stack [19:52] goarilla: really ? is there a significant body of utils ported to QNX ? [19:52] say, GNU ? [19:52] no [19:52] i dont think so [19:52] then it's useless [19:53] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [19:53] but i was questioning that answer as much as you were [19:53] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:53] i don't get why they would say QNX [19:53] its typical unixy stuff [19:53] so, are we over it now? [19:53] netsplits ? [19:53] the exploding freenode stuff ? [19:53] probably [19:53] POW [19:54] it seems to have dissipated but ... that's what i said previously and shit hit the fan again not a minute later [19:54] aftershocks [19:54] freenode is in labor [19:54] and it's a ... [19:54] gorilla [19:54] a deuce [19:55] no, it's ircd-7 [19:55] you mean [19:55] a dual core :P [19:55] all sticky [19:55] so do you guys think openoffice would be overkill on a netbook? [19:55] not yet [19:55] i think openoffice is overkill on a workstation [19:55] they wont start deploying ircd7 untill the 30th [19:55] openoffice is overkill on my desktop [19:55] i used it 3 times ever [19:55] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] openoffice isn't overkill on my core 2 duo laptop [19:56] openoffice is not fit to sniff the taint of latex [19:56] but what do you mean [19:56] but koffice has issues still, or so it seems [19:56] Action: adaptr likes the taint of latex [19:56] it sounds naughty [19:56] you want to have a text editor with some text formatting ? [19:56] s/likes/licks [19:56] kate [19:56] i have 30 minutes of battery, I'm going to see how much trouble i can cause during that time [19:56] kwrite [19:56] thingy [19:56] or do you need windows office crap semi-compatiblity [19:56] for the first [19:56] GooseYArd, cat /dev/urandom > /tmp/ufunnygi.txt [19:57] abiword is pretty good [19:57] and some of us do swear by kword as well [19:57] or kate [19:57] or at it [19:57] do you guys think LUKS on an sd card hard drive would be overkill? [19:57] yes it would [19:57] Delahunt: it would kill it even sooner [19:57] and it could kill the performance [19:57] it would be craZy [19:57] well on the /home SD card [19:58] any semi-heavy IO on that thingie and you'll be back to making coffee and relaxing [19:58] Delahunt: I would not recommend any type of flash storage for variable data. /, /usr - fine, but /home, bad idea [19:58] just make yourself an little encfs or something and hide your secrets in there [19:59] adaptr, well what i'm thinking is this: the 8gb sd card for / will be the one on which i try to limit writes as much as possible, and the 32gb sd card is the one that i don't limit writes to [19:59] my /usr is 4.6 out of 5.5 GB total, and it's near-static [19:59] Delahunt: doesn't matter. writing random data to an SDcard SUCKS [19:59] so / on the 8gb, swap and /home on the 32gb [19:59] no you need to limit writes on all of it [19:59] it's not an ssd [19:59] it's flash storage [19:59] indeed [19:59] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] 8-S [20:00] if one were putting out a distribution of linux specifically FOR netbooks then should they even bother to include cryptsetup ? [20:00] netbooks now have mechanical notebook drivers [20:00] Delahunt: a distro that restricts what I should use is not a distro I want to use [20:00] drives* [20:00] or even real SSD's [20:00] ok just asking [20:00] Delahunt: of course [20:00] but i do think [20:01] no you dont [20:01] the first 8 GB are SSD [20:01] well maybe then two install options, one for SD card users, one for (what's the opposite of SD card usually called? platterz?) those who aren't using an sd card hard drive? [20:01] Delahunt: opposite? there is no opposite [20:01] Delahunt: SSD != D [20:01] S [20:01] or mechanical [20:01] Delahunt: get it through your skull: you cannot use flash memory for variable data [20:01] well i mean in a way to say it succinctly [20:01] adaptr, i already have, i'm only thinking [20:02] use SSDs or hard drives [20:02] er asking questions [20:02] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.67.12) joined ##slackware. [20:02] urthwrm_ (n=hooch@124-170-230-30.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] you canuse flash for static or near-static data, and even then compress it and unpack it on booting [20:02] save the SD as much as possible [20:03] but on a machine with no other option (two sd card slots and no mechanical hard drive) one is going to get written to more than the other, so i'm thinking limit writes to both, but especially to the one that is / [20:03] this http://www.intel.com/design/flash/nand/extreme/index.htm != http://www.flash-memory-store.com/secure-digital.html [20:04] even if you have a microSD that claims 30 MB/s thats only on the best largest files with consecutive reads [20:04] meh, SD is dirt cheap anyway. You're going to want to replace it for a bigger better one anyway [20:04] one is going to get written to because operating systems aren't ready to limit writes as much as we want them to [20:04] I wouldn't say "dirt" cheap, but it's certainly an option [20:04] so best to limit to one and abuse the other, i guess [20:04] it's probably dd if=/dev/sd of=/dev/null bs=8M count=125 results [20:05] DIRT cheap. Just keep an eye on woot and snag some when they go buy. throw them in a drawer and wait it out [20:05] bye* [20:05] Delahunt: linux doesn't need to get written to a lot [20:05] yeah i was thinking that [20:05] goarilla, i know, but it still needs some [20:05] /var/tmp and /tmp could be tmpfs [20:05] if you decrease logging [20:05] with 1gb ram?! [20:05] /var/log shouldn't fill up that much as well [20:05] depends on what you're trying to do [20:05] i'll still need swap so the problem isn't going away [20:06] and if you don't want logging at all [20:06] just kill syslogd [20:06] Delahunt: i do it [20:06] i'm talking sys admin philosophy, please don't take this too seriously [20:06] Nick change: kloeri -> benJIman2 [20:06] tmpfs doesn't just immediately destroy all your ram. doesn't it wait until you actually use the space? [20:06] got 896 mb ram and my /var/tmp and /tmp is binded [20:06] to tmpfs [20:06] supposedly tmpfs expands as required during use but oh well [20:06] hiptobecubic: tmpfs space is reserved and shared with the VFS buffer [20:06] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: [20:06] or, rather, SHMFS [20:07] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Nick change: benJIman2 -> kloeri [20:07] tmpfs can be swapped out if needed but you have to have swap so the problem doesn't really "go away" [20:07] unless you put swap on tmpfs [20:07] adaptr, sorry. what does that mean? [20:07] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:07] the system will tie itself into a knot [20:07] i don't have swap [20:07] hiptobecubic: erm ? [20:07] vm.swappiness = 1 [20:08] goarilla: you have swap [20:08] no i don't have swap [20:08] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [20:08] vm = swap + mem [20:08] vm = 0 + mem [20:08] tmpfs = mem ! [20:09] grep swap /etc/fstab; echo $? [20:09] 1 [20:09] sirslcaker_ (n=sirslack@p579B5AEF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i rather have the OOM playing some sort of weighted logans 'carrousel' [20:10] than having to wait untill the swap finishes [20:10] because when my machine used to swap [20:10] it was for something i did wrong [20:10] i've tried using systems without swap before. it works fine until you run out of memory and things start acting up or shutting down [20:11] like pulling strings on a 8 gig usb image and piping it to an EDITOR [20:11] Delahunt: i rather have that [20:11] than it doing heavy heavy IO to a disk and the systme becoming semi-responsive for 30 minutes [20:12] you say that until you lose what you were working on [20:12] it's always a gui app that gets killed Delahunt [20:12] it's either thunderbird, pan or firefox here [20:12] sirslacker| (n=sirslack@tmo-099-147.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] i know but still [20:12] I wouldn't udepend on local storage on a netbook anyway [20:13] sirslcaker_ (n=sirslack@p579B5AEF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] i think what is needed is some sort of structure in the kernel to mark certain applications as "do NOT cache" or something, i.e. so that if they get closed, all RAM they were using gets marked usable [20:13] i.e. not cached, not swapped out,e tc [20:13] Delahunt: a real trashy app does burn through your swap and invoke the OOM as well [20:13] i know [20:13] or a stupid move can do the same [20:13] like the strings -> vim stuff [20:14] which means you have lost an additional 30 minutes [20:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [20:14] and some trashing of your drive [20:14] well application choice would change on the netbook (irssi instead of xchat, etc) [20:14] Delahunt: if you close an application, all its memory IS usable [20:14] and i doubt i would put any KDE on it because i wouldn't bother using my mail on it [20:14] which is smething to consider on a mechanical part [20:15] adaptr: that's debatable [20:15] adaptr, no last time we had this discussion it was marked so that the OS tried to not use it in case you started the program again [20:15] not only that [20:15] Delahunt: then I would choose a better OS [20:15] some apps don't free memory correctly [20:15] eg memory leeks [20:16] if one doesn't call free [20:16] one could get full [20:16] adaptr, ok, what are you going to use other than Linux? 8-) [20:16] Action: adaptr is full [20:16] heheheh :D [20:16] Delahunt: SMACKOS TIME [20:16] of venison ? [20:18] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Success [20:18] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] of beer? 8-) [20:19] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] i've done a lot of beer [20:22] japanese beers are rather nice. very crisp and clean [20:22] i'm belgian [20:22] although the beer i drank [20:23] not belgian ... not enough alcohol/euro ratio [20:23] i drank anthony martins platinum and red canned half littre beers [20:24] and i rather like that beer [20:24] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] urthwrm (n=hooch@124-170-230-30.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:28] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-48.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] sirslacker| (n=sirslack@tmo-099-147.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] anyone know of a software package/library that will let me pull data off my canon SD1100 camera using its usb port (rather removing the sdcard and using that directly)? [20:31] <|Slacker|> your not able to mount it? [20:31] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:31] hackedhead, gphoto [20:31] hackedhead, i think it's on sbo [20:31] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] hiptobecubic: looks like it's not in sbo [20:32] but i'll look into it [20:32] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [20:32] PiterPunk, ok, that's nice to know :-) [20:33] hackedhead, perhaps official slackware package? [20:33] <|Slacker|> yeah, it's not there [20:33] hackedhead, gphoto2 [20:33] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:33] coldcog, ping [20:34] hey hey [20:34] can't you mount it as a mass storage device [20:34] goarilla, no. [20:34] Is anyone brave enough to help me out here? I've been trying for hours :D http://vpaste.net/cmDWu That is an xkbmap. I can't get it to load properly. It used to. setxkbmap and see if it works? anyone? [20:34] coldcog, did you need me for something? [20:34] dive, we were trying to sort out what was actually necessary for pidgin vv earlier [20:35] hiptobecubic: slackpkg doesn't seem to be finding it in the main repo either [20:35] hackedhead, hmmm hold on [20:35] i messed up my pidgin and re-installed from that site you pasted last night, and i still had to run chmod +x on it [20:35] hackedhead, /var/log/packages/gphoto2-2.4.7-x86_64-1 [20:35] hackedhead: gphoto2 is definitely included in Slackware [20:35] hmm... [20:35] hackedhead, yes indeed it is [20:35] maybe the mirror i'm linking is missing it. [20:36] is it in /extra or something? [20:36] as is libgphoto2, its library. You might prefer to build digikam though, which uses libgphoto2 [20:36] no [20:36] ooooooor, maybe i'm an idiot and it was already installed [20:36] =P [20:36] nowai [20:36] ta [20:37] coldcog, the file in the archive should be +x but just downloading the slackbuild alone wouldn't be [20:37] gasp! my favorite slackware mirror is down/gone [20:38] ok, i couldnt remember what exactly we talked about last night [20:38] and i could remember that the slackbuilds i got from slackbuilds.org id ont need to run chmod on so [20:38] wasnt sure if you forgot to do whatever you decided to do last night or not lol [20:39] coldcog, ah hangone [20:39] seems to not be [20:40] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:41] running chmod isnt much of a problem for me :p just wanted to make sure all that was set up how you wanted it to be [20:41] cause i remember last night saying you were going to make something executable, then re-installed that package this morning and it still wasnt, so i was just letting you kno [20:42] yeah thanks, it should be fixed now [20:42] cool deal [20:44] i wasnt paying attention and updated slackpkg which also "updated" me back to 2.6.3 haha [20:44] been there too ;-) [20:45] zaemis (n=zaemis@pool-71-176-79-207.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] so thats what lead me to use yours again, then go on a blacklisting spree haha [20:48] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.211.248) joined ##slackware. [20:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] nprice (n=nprice@cpe-76-184-72-104.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] substancev (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:56] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.191.43.174) joined ##slackware. [20:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-123-161-175.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.23.76) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] i could watch How Its Made until the end of time [21:01] i can only watch each episode once and i'm really starting to hate the music [21:02] the music and the puns [21:02] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] hiptobecubic: gphoto2 [21:02] hiptobecubic: the fruits of the labor: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hackedhead/sets/72157623218296622/ [21:02] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Success [21:02] hackedhead, ha [21:02] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [21:03] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] http://freshmeat.net/projects/wificonfig [21:03] WiFiconfig is a bash/dialog script for setting up WiFi on Slackware Linux. [21:03] look what i found [21:04] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [21:04] you should just get geek squad to set up your wifi [21:04] the website says it is for 12.2 (possibly later) [21:05] yeah.......right, geek squad dont know diddly about Linux (especially slack) [21:05] GooseYArd, :D [21:05] no way man, they rule [21:05] hackedhead, nice work [21:05] Pig_Pen, patches rc.wireless though [21:05] so update will lose it [21:05] looks that way [21:06] i was just browsing freshmeat and ran across it [21:07] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [21:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-123-161-175.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:09] dive: rc.wireless is installed as a .new and config()'d [21:09] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.191.43.174) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [21:09] ah [21:09] That being said, if one can't (or doesn't want to) figure out wireless via cli, wicd is the obvious choice. [21:10] Even then, wicd has a cli option. :P [21:10] NaCl, a nice one too [21:10] rc.udev is one of the few init scripts that we clobber regardless. There's simply no reason for an admin to edit it. [21:10] i can figure out wireless from CLI but i did not enjoy wpa_supplicant at all [21:10] once i was going to freshmeat.net and my brother read it outloud like "freshmeat? he thought i forgot he was there and i was visiting a porn site" [21:11] oh, the quotes were fucked up [21:11] hiptobecubic: :) [21:11] i should start a porn site called "softwareupdates.com" [21:11] I have to admin that it would be funny to hack freshmeat's server and serve porn on the home page. [21:11] er, s/admin/admit/ [21:11] rworkman, what do yout hink www.freshmeat.net/~jeev does ? :d [21:11] Guess where my head's really at? [21:12] suffice it to say, xhamster.com is not like xsnow or xoj [21:12] hehe [21:12] lol [21:12] Action: Delahunt hands rworkman a mind cleanser [21:12] Delahunt: no, don't remove the "admin" from it. I'm on a roll. [21:12] Delahunt, mind cleanser = fox news? i think rworkman is smarter than that [21:12] I watch Fox News occasionally. Balance is good. [21:12] hahahahahahah [21:13] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.193) joined ##slackware. [21:13] leno was like, "oh and fox news hired sarah palin, now they could be 'fair and unbalanced'" [21:13] hahahah [21:13] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:14] now i have to install xoj [21:14] now you see fox's dilemna [21:15] fox was always stuck in the unfair and unbalanced section [21:15] in order to be balanced, they must show equal parts rational and irrational [21:15] all they show is their irrationality [21:15] only they let the others handle the rationality [21:16] i cant believe how seriously people take tv news [21:16] yea [21:16] it reminds me of old people who used to watch wrestling and screamed at the tv [21:16] hahahah [21:16] well you'd expect them to committ to some semblence of the truth [21:16] wrestling was so gay [21:17] theyre the same people who broadcast The Bachelor [21:17] or The Flying Nun [21:17] never saw it [21:17] but the original flying nuns were good back in their era [21:18] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:18] brb doing a little wii surgery [21:19] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) joined ##slackware. [21:21] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:22] hiptobecubic: yeah. <3 legos. got some for christmas despite being 24yo =P [21:23] hackedhead, nice [21:24] lof_devil_6_6_6_ (i=lof_devi@189.126.227.215) joined ##slackware. [21:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:28] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] hiptobecubic: slackpkg.org/beta <- with the upgrade-all patch merged [21:30] hey wasnt somebody here saying they had been using gnu gold [21:31] PiterPunk, thanks [21:31] nprice (n=nprice@cpe-76-184-72-104.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:31] GooseYArd: someone, but I don't recall who :/ [21:35] in the time ive spent waiting for g++ to link this pos I could have read all the docs for gold [21:35] PiterPunk, oh my gods. It's beautiful [21:36] legos rule [21:37] jeev: indeed they do. [21:37] legos ruined my teeth [21:37] there was a time a few years ago when i was worried about the future of legos as a branh [21:37] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:37] brand* [21:37] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [21:37] I am going to freak out about this xkbmap. I just don't see what's wrong with it. [21:37] all the custom crap they had been making was bad news, but they've come back in recent years [21:38] hipto are you getting an error or something? [21:39] lof_devil_6_6_6_ (i=lof_devi@189.126.227.215) left ##slackware. [21:39] hah whoops [21:40] did i bust something or does binutils in -current fail to build with gcc 4.4.2 [21:40] she needa a teensy leetle patch [21:41] GooseYArd, yes of course :D [21:41] whats the err [21:41] "Error loading new keyboard description [21:42] well thats helpful eh [21:42] i know, right? It's worthless [21:42] you try commenting some chunks out to narrow it down to a particular section? [21:42] no of course not :D [21:43] that would be too sensible wouldnt it [21:43] do /* */ comments work or is it just // [21:43] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] dunno [21:45] Well commenting out the entire file doesn't make a difference [21:46] can you load a known good one? [21:46] yes [21:46] how much different is yours than it? [21:46] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC304A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:47] I changed a few keys assignments, that's about it. I'm going to try to incrementally remake mine starting with 'us' [21:47] jesus glibc headers look like there was an explosion in a printing press company [21:48] GooseYArd, i think i've hit on something here.... Where is the symbol file supposed to go? I assumed it was /etc/X11/xkb/symbols with what looks like all of the others? [21:48] But i just did 'cp us us.bak' and tried to load us.bak and got the same error [21:49] aha [21:49] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [21:53] anybody obtain make a package of mysql much recent? :) [21:55] rworkman, sorry to call you out on this, but has anything regarding loading keymaps from /etc/X11/xkb/symbols changed recently? I didn't see anything in the changelog but then again, i rarely know what i'm doing [21:56] Not that I recall / am aware [21:56] hiptobecubic: How are you trying to load your new keymap? [21:57] PiterPunk, right now, just regular 'setxkbmap us.cust' where /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/us.cust is my file [21:58] but it's the same error as if the file weren't present at all. "Error loading new keyboard description" [21:58] hrm... setxkbmap -layout us.cust [21:58] rworkman, same error [21:58] hiptobecubic: You miss "-layout" [21:58] PiterPunk, same error [21:59] hiptobecubic: Change the name. Names with . don[ t work [21:59] try us_cust [22:00] Works here. [22:00] ah, yes, I didn't realize about the '.' [22:00] PiterPunk, really? When did that happen? I've been using 'us.cust' for a year now [22:00] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] sorressean (n=notI@168.103.85.95) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Same error [22:01] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:01] ????? [22:01] Try this: cd /etc/X11/xkb/symbols ; cp -a us rw [22:01] Then setxkbmap -layout rw [22:02] is working really fine. As always works [22:02] rworkman, yes that works. [22:02] I'm about to get going with slack, I want to play with the new distro but have a quick question. I'm not doing this behind a network, rather I'm using a linode, and was wondering if there's something like the debian apt-get update and dist-upgrade to apply security patches. also, can I quickly grab a denyhosts package? I want to keep people from boo [22:02] Then edit "rw" a bit and make sure it still works. [22:02] This is really confusing. clearly the '.' breaks it, but it didn't as of yesterday. [22:02] As PiterPunk said, that seems to be fine here [22:02] broot forcing ssh or something while I learn my way around. [22:03] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) joined ##slackware. [22:03] sorressean: slackpkg update ; slackpkg upgrade patches [22:03] sorressean: configure sshd to only accept logins with pubkey auth, and make sure the key is secure iwth a good passphrase. Then what PiterPunk said. [22:03] SMTP is port 25 isnt it? [22:03] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@93.195.11.104) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:03] yes [22:03] Pig_Pen: yes [22:04] rworkman: I ca'nt use public keys, or I would. :( [22:04] ick [22:04] PiterPunk: thanks [22:04] Why can't you? [22:05] I'm using a screen reader. Until I get hold of a desktop to put linux on, I do a lot of my coding on windows. The two clients that I use are WINScp and secure CRT, and their keys aren't the same for me to use one for scp and CRT. [22:05] ah [22:05] you can put both public keys in your authorized_keys file [22:06] Putty has an scp client that can use a key from nix after converting it. There's also what GooseYArd said :) [22:06] I usually have a different identity for every machine I connect from [22:06] o. when I get my key it's a big block of text. what would separate key 1 from key 2, for example? [22:07] just a newline in authorized_keys [22:07] no blank lines between them [22:07] awesome. I need to afk for coffee, then I'll give it a try. thanks a lot for the info. :) [22:07] np good luck! [22:08] when I start something like this sleep becomes unimportant. hopefully it's relatively painless, as I'm tired. :p [22:08] i hate getting sucked into some juicy problem right around bedtime [22:08] haha [22:08] Action: sorressean grins [22:09] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ehurvalbvqhrdlqf) left irc: "The man is always trying to hold me back." [22:09] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wfjmttkzvxxncbkj) joined ##slackware. [22:11] <_theradar> exit [22:12] :q [22:12] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:12] ohdannyboy (n=dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] pairodoc (n=user@68-188-252-164.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] why in bash does 'if [["0" > "1"]]' seem to execute? [22:17] that should actually give an error. [22:17] Hello People. [22:17] salutations [22:18] rworkman, PiterPunk got it working. that dot seemed to be most of the issue. Thank you [22:18] pairodoc: 1) if [[ "0" > "1" ]]; 2) what does it do, what did you expect/want [22:18] I am trouble shooting a script and that is the syntax but it seems according to my logic that all my comparison statements are backwards when the script works. [22:19] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] hang will give a pastebin. [22:20] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:21] http://pastebin.ca/1753152 line 16 for example. [22:22] the script works as pasted the only thing I changed is the mysql passwd b4 pasting. [22:22] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:22] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:23] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] pairodoc: can you paste it on http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ ,.. for some reason pastebin.* won't work for me. [22:24] BP{k}: here ya go: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/nSKHgs15.html ;) [22:25] fire|bird: thanks :) [22:25] I think I figured out why it is working and why it is. [22:25] in square brackets the comparison operators are doing alpha order [22:25] pairodoc: it really does help next time if you pastecode correctly :P [22:26] you mean on a better site? :) [22:26] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [22:27] that too ;) [22:27] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [22:27] pair use double parens instead of brackets, or just use -lt -gt -ne etc [22:27] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] GooseYArd: heh , it does seem odd to use == there, since I am pretty sure the author did *not* wanted to a string comparison [22:29] yah its also amazing how that stuff accidentally works right sometimes [22:30] Almost like php [22:30] ahah [22:30] I see why it is working now ty all for your help. [22:30] hey good luck man [22:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:30] pairodoc (n=user@68-188-252-164.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] i am on the virge of having to ban php at the office [22:31] Nooo. :D [22:32] have you seen that stat, somebody ran some queries of the national vulnerability db for the last however man years [22:32] an authentic PHB!! [22:32] for 2009 php accounted for something like 37% of all vulnerabilities [22:33] if you try fielding a php app in the federal government, you spend the rest of the year updating php once a week [22:33] Synced - can you try this latest version of rc.M and see if it's better? [22:33] heh. oops - wrong channel. [22:33] Does that differentiate between implementation issues and actual php vulnerabilities? [22:33] anti: yeah thats just vulnerabilities where the intepreter needs a patch [22:34] 62% of the others were implementation holes. ;-) [22:34] lol [22:34] ehehe [22:34] jdk/jre and tomcat were not far behind [22:35] Really? Interesting, because I don't see jre/jdk often on security lists. Perhaps I'm on the wrong ones [22:35] i think the reason is that they track new findings in old versions [22:35] ah [22:36] so the dod issues an edict about a vulnerability in tomcat 4, which no one in their right mind is using [22:36] That actually makes sense too - I rarely find a machine that has an up to date jre on it [22:37] yah its terrible, we have an app that somebody wrote years ago for tomcat 3, the guy isnt even around anymore [22:37] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] its just some piddly little program that one or two people use [22:38] so we either have to shut it off or get it running on some two week old tomcat release [22:38] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] That's easy: shut it off. :D [22:39] word [22:40] Nick change: init[1]|SL -> akber [22:40] im going to nod off and drool all over this laptop, gnight y'all [22:40] Nick change: akber -> init[1] [22:40] g'night :) [22:41] Is anyone in here actually able to navigate between DVD chapters using mplayer? [22:42] It crashes every time for me. I can use the slider but not the menu navigations [22:42] ie: right clicking and trying to switch chapters bombs out [22:44] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [22:45] network attacks over? [22:45] godling: seem to be, for now anyway. [22:45] is that what took us down? [22:45] someone did a good job of it, anyway. that fucked my shit up. [22:45] I got k-lined upon connection yesterday afternoon for not reason [22:45] not/no [22:45] sorressean: software issues. [22:46] according to the global notice. [22:46] more like pebkac [22:46] a mix of pebkac and script kiddies [22:46] yeah, but they wouldn't want to tell everyone a script kiddy just took them out would they? [22:46] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [22:46] that'd be like m$ explaining their 10 critical security updates [22:46] each day [22:46] meh [22:46] sorressean: Well, when there was a series of DDoS attacks, thats what they said in the global notice. :P [22:47] ah [22:48] when did they send the global notice? [22:48] apparently the attacks aren't newsworthy -- there's nothing on the website. [22:48] perhaps the attacks are too frequent [22:49] godling: global notice was around 3 hours ago. [23:02] meh, this network has always been the target of feeble attacks. when it was ran properly, it was never a problem [23:03] the notice doesn't say the net was attacked, but that hyperion ircd was causing issues [23:03] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:03] Kamel: gumdrops and toothpicks can only take so much heat [23:04] either way, they HAVE had problems with DDOS attacks (even listed on their news site), and the ircd they use is coded by freenode, so the administration is still at fault, IMO [23:05] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:12] bot alert! [23:12] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Action: NaCl watches [23:14] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] rworkman: ping [23:14] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] stupid video card [23:14] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:14] ##slackware: mode change '+R ' by rworkman!i=3356@64.57.102.36 [23:14] rworkman: awesome. [23:14] :) [23:15] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!i=3356@64.57.102.36 [23:17] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: K-lined [23:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:18] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:18] ##slackware: mode change '-R ' by rworkman!i=3356@64.57.102.36 [23:18] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-107-11-138.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:19] +R isn't working as I expected, or nickserv is stupid. I'm identified, but I can't talk unless I'm op'd. [23:20] 8-S [23:21] PovAddict (n=nicolas@synecdoche/developer/povaddict) joined ##slackware. [23:24] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:25] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-74-111-197-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] rworkman (i=3356@64.57.102.36) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [23:27] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] zaemis (n=zaemis@pool-71-176-79-207.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:28] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:29] PovAddict (n=nicolas@synecdoche/developer/povaddict) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [23:29] someone told me tu use slackpkg to update, but it doesn't seem to be installed. is there an alternative? I just want to update and install patches. [23:32] rworkman (i=3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] sorressean: so, download the packages and install with "installpkg" [23:32] um. there's not a system to just update the base for security patches and such? [23:33] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:33] ##slackware: mode change '+R ' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [23:33] I'm planning on compiling everything by hand, I just wanted to apply security patches and that that needed applied. [23:33] Action: Delahunt just rsyncs to patches/packages/* and updates against that [23:33] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [23:33] This network is insane. [23:33] Action: sorressean laughs [23:33] sorressean: no, the tool is what I just mentioned [23:33] rworkman: I presume that the silly +R problem is gone on your end? [23:34] Yes, it was a network problem. [23:34] ok. how do people update for security fixes and such, if there's not a system for doing so? [23:34] I use rsync. [23:35] THen I run slackpkg against that rsync'd directory [23:35] Action: sorressean doesn't have slackpkg. guess it's a package that needs to be installed. [23:35] It was included around 12.2, I believe. [23:35] Or 13.0. [23:35] 12.2 [23:35] Action: NaCl forgot which [23:36] or 12.1 [23:36] it was in the 12.x series [23:36] 12.2, then [23:36] root@MountainDew:~# cat /etc/slackware-version [23:36] Slackware 12.2.0 [23:37] 12.1 it was /extra 12.2 it was /ap [23:37] or /slackware/ap rather [23:37] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] I've got a repository back to 8.1 [23:38] Action: sorressean is going to have to rsync the packages, I don't have install sisk. I'm on a vps. [23:39] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.193) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:39] seems it didn't come with gcc/make/g++ and that, either. :o [23:40] Eh? You must have missed installing the packages in the d series. [23:41] I didn't install from disk. it's a vps setup. :( [23:41] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Ah, ok. Seems that setups like that don't come with compilers. [23:42] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] doesn't seem like it, but it's odd. I figured it would if there's not a package manager. [23:43] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.149) joined ##slackware. [23:44] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] even a vps needs the tools installed [23:45] and the guests as well if you want to allow them to compile stuff [23:46] it's linode. you choose a distro and it'll deploy it for you. pretty nice. [23:48] I was looking at the slackware.com site and they have a package browser, but it seems to be "broken." [23:48] ya [23:48] is there another place to get their packages from? [23:49] sorressean: pick a mirror, and check the slackware/ directory [23:49] um. I still don't have installation disks. :p [23:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] sorressean: you didn't download the iso yet? [23:50] you make a cd/dvd of it [23:50] slackware.mirrors.tds.net [23:50] sorressean: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ [23:50] I'm running on vps. I have a system up and running, no need to use a dvd. :( [23:50] I'm just trying to get a compiler toolset going so I can start building the packages I need/want [23:50] I was just saying, if you wanted installation disks, use the isolinux directory to create them [23:51] otherwise, I use slackware.mirrors.tds.net (or go th the site thumbs points out and pick a mirror) [23:51] some even do rsync as well as ftp/http [23:51] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:52] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] awesome. I'll do that. I checked their homepage, but it didn't have much. thanks for the help. [23:52] installation disks would've been my first route, but it's on a vps, so... that seems kind of the long way [23:55] sorressean, try these two links: [23:55] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [23:55] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [23:55] (for all your after-market package needs lol) [23:55] Delahunt: thanks! [23:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [23:56] and don't forget slackbuilds.org (sbopkg is good for syncing to slackbuilds.org like slackpkg is syncing to official repository) [23:58] wow. they've got the brltty package. maybe when I win the lottery I can buy a braille display and see how that works. :p [00:00] --- Sat Jan 16 2010