[00:00] chazbro: what kind of ram would you need for your wifes pc? [00:00] rworkman: ok, after installing, get the netmw245.inf in the windows/inf directory [00:00] and install it without the sys file and get the error [00:00] the same error that I have [00:00] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:01] or he could do it properly by following the documentation? [00:01] im thinking its pc-100 [00:01] I have read the documentation, this error is not in the troubleshooting direction [00:01] but i dont know [00:01] *section [00:02] she wont let me crack it open yet [00:02] chazbro: check and let me know later sometime, and I'll send you a 256 [00:02] did you follow the installation instructions? [00:03] ues [00:03] I frigged up by not having the sys file present [00:03] so the answer is no [00:03] pirving: if the INF file needs the SYS file, then... redo it *with* the sys file. [00:03] skrapasor (n=skrapaso@cpe-71-64-105-56.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:03] skrapasor (n=skrapaso@cpe-71-64-105-56.neo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:03] I just installed ndiswrapper and extracted a driver. Just follow the directions - they work. [00:04] root@pkgdev:/cdrom/Driver/Windows XP# ls [00:04] TRANS.TBL WG511v2.INF WG511v2.cat WG511v2.sys* WG511v2XP.sys* [00:04] root@pkgdev:/cdrom/Driver/Windows XP# ndiswrapper -i WG511v2.INF [00:04] installing wg511v2 ... [00:04] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:05] and? [00:05] and it returns a prompt after success. [00:05] do [00:06] re [00:06] ndiswrapper -l [00:06] root@pkgdev:/cdrom/Driver/Windows XP# ndiswrapper -l [00:06] wg511v2 : driver installe [00:06] d [00:06] cool [00:07] sorry rworkman , what is your problem? [00:07] mth-: I don't have one. [00:07] with ndiswrapper [00:07] :D [00:07] mth-: you should pay more attention. [00:07] ahh [00:07] sorry [00:07] :( [00:07] trying to help [00:07] :( [00:08] mth-: you should pay more attention [00:08] sorry guys [00:09] tsokay [00:09] :) [00:11] no its not okay@!@#!@! [00:11] :P [00:12] id like to see slackware on a phone [00:13] legis (n=jaood@unaffiliated/legis) joined ##slackware. [00:13] an open phone [00:13] slaxxin: buy the openmoko and get to work then. [00:13] please read the above [00:13] i have it [00:13] but i not a hacker [00:13] slackware is not a phone distro. [00:14] slackware doesn't ship a vlan pkg? [00:14] neither is debian but im installing it right now on the ifreerunner [00:14] -i [00:14] slaxxin: how many devs does debian have? [00:15] neither is gentoo [00:15] or gentoo? [00:15] alot more than the 1 dev that slackware has. [00:15] who knows? [00:15] yea but pat has alot of help [00:15] and yet we still beat the pants off both on the pc. [00:16] Seriously, it's a novelty thing. No way am I going to spend time trying to put Slackware on something like that. Why bother? [00:16] his wife helps [00:16] looool [00:16] I'd put slackware on something like a Zaurus [00:16] (if my zaurus hadn't got stepped on...) [00:16] I *think* the Amazon Kindle runs Slackware. [00:17] (or whatever they call that thing)_ [00:17] GPL... [00:17] if it is slackware they have to supply the source for any changes [00:18] oh, blah, what's the /proc file for increasing the max bandwidth used for md raid recovery? [00:18] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) joined ##slackware. [00:18] insane, no official vlan pkg and no slackbuild [00:18] Well, I don't know for sure, and even if I did, I'm just happy to see it being used there. [00:18] legis: what exactly do you *need* ? [00:18] Urchlay: it will use all bandwidth unless you start reading or writing to the disk [00:19] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:19] nah [00:19] found it [00:19] md: using maximum available idle IO bandwidth (but not more than 200000 KB/sec) for recovery. [00:19] $ cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max [00:19] 200000 [00:19] ah [00:20] hey guys i have an issue, i'm on a thinkpad X41 and when using intel or i810 driver (for X) system randomly freezes [00:20] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:20] it doesn't occurs when i use vesa driver [00:20] a vlan pkg for slack but looks like I'll have to compile to it [00:20] paissad (n=paissad@96.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] spook: actually the raid volume is mounted r/w while it's being recovered (though the system is idle) [00:22] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:22] legis: what's in the "vlan" package? [00:22] Urchlay: it will use all bandwidth unless you start reading or writing to the disk [00:22] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [00:22] rworkman: do you know what vlans are? [00:22] mth-: that means there's a abug in the intel driver. [00:22] Urchlay: if you start reading or writing, it will pretty much drop to 0 [00:22] spook: nope. [00:22] legis: yes. Do you plan to answer my question? [00:23] vlans ftw [00:23] legis: what actual *command* are you hoping to find? [00:23] anyway I'm logged in but all I'm doing is "watch cat /proc/mdstat", not causing much disk I/O [00:23] i found now that was some related to XAA and firefox [00:23] rworkman: Ok then, how do you create vlans in slackware? [00:23] same as you do with any other distro [00:23] legis: you answer first. [00:23] lol [00:24] this is funny [00:25] going through scrollback... everything you need to create vlans is included [00:25] yeah, found it, nevermind :D [00:25] Are you really oneforall? [00:25] found it because you actually took the time to look or because everyone was bein gstubborn forcing you to look ;) [00:25] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] _ohm (n=nava@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [00:25] I've done quite a few vlans with slackwre [00:26] although going over the procedure now is a bad idea... alcohol involved [00:26] i googled "linux vlan" using i'm feeling lucky and got the right page [00:26] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [00:26] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [00:27] legis: since you've found it, I'll answer -- I use ip(8) [00:27] vlan is primarily the work of Alex Zeffertt, Cambridge Broadband Ltd [00:30] rworkman: no, is vconfig [00:30] legis: ...... [00:30] No. You didn't ask how *you* should set one up -- you asked how *I* set one up. [00:31] My needs are limited. Therefore, ip(8) works fine for me. [00:31] rworkman: how do you create a vlan interface with ip? [00:31] ip(8) does a billion different things. [00:32] legis: do you know what the (8) means? [00:32] spook: thats alot [00:32] spook: show me where in the man page it shows how to create vlans [00:32] it means if you type "man 8 ip" you will get the manual page [00:33] On this point, legis has a legitimate argument. What I do really doesn't qualify as a vlan. [00:34] rworkman: I think you're thinking more of bridging ? [00:34] I actually add multiple addresses to a single interface. [00:34] vconfig(8) [00:35] However, you can create "shadow" interfaces with ifconfig(8). The biggest point I was *trying* to make, even if I did so very dreadfully, is that all of the necessary tools are already in Slackware. [00:35] mbhayes: and no, I do that with brctl(8) :) [00:35] all of which could hav ebeen avoided with: which `vconfig` [00:35] rworkman: yes, the vlan pkg in slackware [00:36] legis: THERE IS NO VLAN PKG [00:36] anyway, I guess one has to create a script [00:36] for crying out loud [00:36] HA. OOPS [00:36] spook: http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=1&q=vlan [00:36] ... /var/log/packages/vlan-1.9-i486-2 [00:36] actally.. [00:36] there is [00:36] damn you slackware.it, we almost had him fooled [00:36] a script for maintaning vlans after reboot [00:36] rc.local [00:36] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] spook: shut up and stop embarrasing yourself [00:37] legis: see what happens when you look for yourself? [00:37] evening [00:39] legis: Sorry about that - seriously. The "vlan" package (and lots of others) were split out from one big "network-utils" or some such package in 12.0, and my mind (as well as that of others, as you see) still hasn't registered the new pakcages yet :/ [00:39] i also forget that nslookup is in the bind package [00:40] along with dig, host, etc [00:40] legis: re the build script, see $MIRROR/source/n/vlan/ [00:41] sure, no ploblem. My friend did a very light slack install on this box, was looking for the vlan pkg, not familiar with slackware [00:41] if you are new to slackware, do a full install [00:41] even i still do full installs. [00:42] also if you're lazy, do a full install :) [00:42] antler (n=antler@S010600226b809448.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:42] spook: yes, was just trying a installing slack on a vm, full install is to bloated [00:43] 4gig is too bloated? [00:43] a 6G / would give to all the room you need [00:44] yeah, like 3.5GB of unwanted stuff lol [00:44] eh [00:44] skip the kdei series [00:44] emacs, kde, kdei, X, you can trim it down and still have a workable install [00:44] skip kde emacs, tex, tcl [00:45] Urchlay: yes, I only chose a,ap,d,l,n [00:45] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:45] still to bloated [00:45] ..... [00:45] legis: how big is the virtual disk on your vm? [00:46] if you want a small system, use busybox + uclibc [00:46] Urchlay: that doesn't matter [00:46] if you want a useful system, use slackware [00:46] legis: well, saving space doesn't matter, if you have tons of storage you're not using for anything else... [00:47] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [00:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host7-169-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] Urchlay: I don't want to keep a security track for hundreds of pkgs I don't use [00:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] slackware does that for you [00:50] anyway I don't use slack and also slack does have the option to install the pkgs you want is just to time consuming [00:50] plus most of those security issues, only apply if you are actually using that software [00:50] legis: if you don't use them, really & truly you never run them, then you don't have to worry about updating them [00:50] legis: if you want a small system, use busybox + uclibc [00:50] spook: have you ever heard of local exploits? [00:50] legis: if you want a useful system, use slackware [00:50] e.g. bind or sendmail vulnerabilities only affect you if you actually run bind or sendmail... [00:50] legis: if they have remote access you've already lost [00:51] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] legis: http://slackware.com/lists/ [00:51] slackware-security [00:51] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [00:52] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@166.192.162.249) joined ##slackware. [00:53] wazzazajoo (n=Lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] slackware makes a nice development platform [00:54] legis: if you're just going to keep badmouthing slackware, here is not the place [00:55] spook: what did I badmouth about? [00:55] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [00:55] slaxxin (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:55] its not overt but we get the message: you dont like slackware [00:55] slaxxin (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:21] the eternal endless slack which pervades the universe [01:22] and god said .. let there be SLACK [01:22] and there was [01:22] and it was good [01:22] hey guys [01:22] evening [01:22] someone of you could build the latest xf86-video-intel package for me? [01:23] :D [01:23] ./configure && make && make install ? [01:24] hehe not so easy :( [01:24] s/&&/;/ [01:25] there should be a way to build that package without building the entire X [01:25] wazzazajoo (n=Lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [01:25] ./xf86-video-intel.SlackBuild ? [01:25] doesn't exists [01:25] frullet: rethink that [01:25] hologram: I did as soon as i hit enter =/ [01:26] indeed [01:26] mth-: is there a reason you can't build that yourself? [01:26] i'm not an experienced user :( [01:27] no time like the present in learning ;) [01:28] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-45cf1358407ed54e) joined ##slackware. [01:29] ./x11.SlackBuild driver xf86-video-intel [01:29] ... [01:29] don't make me get the hose [01:30] 'less x11.SlackBuild' and you will learn the way [01:30] coool! [01:32] but [01:32] i haven't the slackdvd [01:33] cuz my laptop doesn't have optical drive [01:33] be solution orientated [01:35] checking for DRM... configure: error: Package requirements (libdrm >= 2.4.3) were not met: [01:35] Requested 'libdrm >= 2.4.3' but version of libdrm is 2.3.0 [01:36] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:36] someone told you that would happen earlier this week [01:36] you need the new drm [01:36] thrice` told you that [01:37] sorry man, what would happen this week? [01:37] mth-: everything that [01:37] argh. Everything that's on the slack DVD can be downloaded from one of the slackware mirrors [01:38] i don't understand, that you said is about a xorg package update in stable? [01:38] damn. I replaced all my extra-loud old case fans with nice new quiet ones... and now I can hear my roommates having sex (which I couldn't before) [01:39] ahahaahaahahaha [01:39] there's something to be said for white noise... [01:42] I now have a computer inside of a Quaker Oatmeal Squares cereal box. [01:42] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:42] ccfreak2k: nice! [01:43] Urchlay: You should crank up some porn real loud and see if they get the clue. :P [01:43] "inside" is kind of a stretch because I cut the top to be able to reach inside. [01:43] ... but much more could be said for good sex :P [01:43] ok, I've got my wireless driver install with ndiswrapper i ran iwconfig and it see's the network on wlan0 how to do I surf the web? [01:43] But I cut slots on either side for I/O. [01:43] how to I get an ipaddress? [01:43] ccfreak2k: quaker oatmeal legal team will be in touch soon .. very soon [01:43] pirving [01:43] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [01:43] I've always wanted to get one of those cardboard fake PC cases they put on displays of computer desks [01:43] pirving: dhcpcd wlan0 [01:43] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] thanks should that do it? [01:44] dhcpclient wlan0 [01:44] ... [01:44] NO [01:44] and make a real PC out of it... it'd be my "cardboard linux box" [01:44] the stock scripts use dhcpcd so just stick to dhcpcd [01:44] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [01:44] ok that it? [01:44] mth-: and it is dhclient....not dhcpclient [01:44] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:45] bha [01:45] i do: [01:45] ccfreak2k: I did once build a guitar distortion pedal into a cardboard box... but it didn't survive being stepped on very many time [01:45] s [01:45] iwconfig eth1 essid lalalala [01:45] iwconfig eth1 key s:malditakey [01:45] and dhclient eth1 [01:45] and that works fine [01:45] yep [01:45] *cough* rc.inet1.conf ;) [01:46] BP{k}: i would have told him that but he didn't ask how to make it stick [01:46] lol [01:46] nullboy: aah :) fair enough :) didn't really pay that much attention .. just peeked in before heading out ;) [01:46] cruel but yet rewarding at the same time :P [01:48] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:49] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:49] ok, now i get the error dhcpcd start: SIOHWWR [01:50] no hardware address? [01:50] do I need to edit a config file? [01:50] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [01:50] this is when I run dhcpcd [01:51] any ideas nullboy? [01:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-16.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [01:52] Urchlay: http://loliserv.org/images/9ca09d91_boxputer01.jpg [01:52] sounds broken [01:52] no, it works I'm on it right now, I'm so close [01:53] ccfreak2k: nice. You going to glue it back together when you're done? (or are you done now?) [01:53] ahahaaha [01:53] Yeah, gonna tape/glue the loose parts. [01:53] quaker pc [01:54] ccfreak2k: you should in fact install quake (or quake 3, quake 4, whatever) on there, and bring it to lan parties :) [01:54] pirving: what [01:54] It's gonna be a mythtv box. [01:54] slackware-current is busy installing. [01:54] pirving: what's the SIOxxxx error? [01:55] pretty sure SIOHWWR doesnt actually exist... [01:56] yeah [01:56] um, i wish I could remember it [01:56] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hold on let me reboot and get the error msg ok [01:57] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:57] mth- (i=1000@190-95-105-29.bk22-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] Urchlay: are both of your roommates male? OR are obth of them female? If 2), may I refer you to a hidden camera store? If 1), then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe play some music and search apartment ads. [01:57] wonder if it'd be worth the trouble to install a motherboard inside a speak & spell [01:57] rworkman: one male, one female :) [01:58] Hrm, promising. [01:58] That could get interesting for you. Or that's what I hear - I don't speak from experience. [01:58] ehh, they're my friends & all that, but I hope to never ever see either one naked [01:58] ah, okay. [02:00] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-208-85.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:00] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:01] anyway I don't really mind the noise (though I'm glad I can't hear anything like whips cracking...) [02:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:03] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] ok, now I get the error on dhcpcd timed out waiting for request from dhcp server [02:03] I have a freq when I run iwconfig [02:04] am I missing a channel or something? [02:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:04] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:04] pirving: does "iwconfig" show your access point? (whatever it's named I mean) [02:05] (we named ours "ansible". Too bad it isn't really an ansible...) [02:05] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] yes [02:05] shawn4502network [02:05] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:05] I'm so close [02:06] giuppy (n=giuppy@host6-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hm. In that case, I dunno what to do next (not really a wireless expert...) [02:07] i didn't do a iwconfig wlan0 up [02:07] do I need that? [02:07] don't think so. You're not using rc.inet1 and rc.inet1.conf? [02:08] nope [02:08] (if you are, it should take care o' that stuff automagically) [02:08] ok how do I do that [02:09] you just edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 with whatever text editor you like [02:09] and read the comments therein, which are pretty self-explanatoryu [02:09] s/u$// [02:10] chazbro (n=chatzill@adsl-70-234-160-58.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [02:11] what do I put in for an ip address? [02:11] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:12] Action: BP{k} & [02:14] aw crap, I told him to edit rc.inet1 instead of rc.inet1.conf [02:14] maybe he'll figure it out... [02:14] your kidding yourself :P [02:16] lol [02:16] perhaps the horse will learn to sing... [02:16] What's the smallest, fastest, lightest, most feature-free window manager in Slackware? [02:16] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "leaving" [02:17] ccfreak2k: in slackware by default, or from somewhere like slackbuilds.org? [02:17] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] ok, my rc.inet1.conf is blank [02:17] cause I think SBo has a ratpoison slackbuild, which is about as feature-free as it gets [02:17] In Slackware, although anything from slackbuilds is fine too. [02:17] I don't think ratpoison will work. [02:18] so, you need *some* features :) [02:18] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [02:18] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:18] fluxbox or blackbox maybe? [02:19] blackbox it is then [02:19] I use windowmaker for "desktop" stuff, but this is for your myth box right? [02:19] Yeah. [02:20] thought mythtv could more-or-less act as its own wm [02:20] MythTV says it needs a running wm to allow it to switch focus to other programs (such as mplayer). [02:20] (or am I thinking of freevo?) [02:21] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-103-173-73.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-123.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:22] hm. My own media box has no wm... my script fires up mplayer in fullscreen mode... hm. But I'm using a joystick for input, which doesn't really obey the X11 input focus rules [02:22] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:23] good morning slackers [02:23] mornin' [02:23] Action: slackytude coffee++ [02:23] mornin Urchlay [02:24] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-45cf1358407ed54e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:24] blah. It'll take 3 hours for this newly-created raid1 to sync... why should a new array need to do that? [02:26] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] ok here is the dhcpcd error I get ioctl SIOCSIFFLAGS resource temporaroly unavailable [02:27] hologram_ (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:28] SIOCSIFFLAGS means "set interface flags" [02:28] for what that's worth to you... [02:29] not sure why it'd say temp unavailable though [02:30] do you get the same error if you manually give it an IP address? ("ifconfig wlan0 192.168.100.100" or something, doesn't matter what IP really, just wondering if it runs without error) [02:30] note: ifconfig in that command, not iwconfig [02:31] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] ok, I'll try it [02:32] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:35] hologram_ (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:35] root (n=root@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] hey [02:35] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] I'm comming to you from IRSSI [02:35] Nick change: root -> Guest20345 [02:35] after 3 freakin days, I finally got the windows driver working!@ [02:35] <|kevlinux|> what card? [02:36] tgb (i=1000@S01060015e9b0fad9.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] netgear wn111 [02:36] jesus this feels good [02:37] Guest20345 == pirving? [02:37] yes hold on [02:37] Nick change: Guest20345 -> pirving [02:37] what magic did you do to make it start working? [02:37] hey [02:37] it me [02:37] I don't know [02:37] but I edited the rc.inet1.conf [02:37] and it freaking works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:37] Quick Slackware upgrade question for anyone who has the time... [02:37] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-24f4c21a907517de) joined ##slackware. [02:37] yeah, rc.inet1.conf is the proper way to set up your network on slackware [02:38] lots of effort went into making rc.inet1 work with lots of cards... [02:38] you guys are geniouses I'm so glad you were here, now I have a dual boot and you know what it is fast!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:38] plipp1 (n=cam@m83-188-218-207.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:39] well slackware people work really hard on making dual boot real fast [02:39] As opposed to it being slow in any other configuration? [02:39] infact, installing slackware results in a notable increase in windows boot time [02:39] I've got a 2 year old Slackware 11.0 system on Software RAID. I'm about to upgrade the system. I've backed up all my files on to a USB hard drive using cp -a, and all that seems to go well... I want a backout path with my external USB hard drive in case anything goes wrong. So here's my question. Is it possible to get a Slackware boot CD to boot from an external USB hard drive, using a kernel on that external disk? [02:39] [02:39] tgb: there is a folder called usb-pxe installers on the CD [02:39] see that [02:40] pirving (n=root@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] infact, you don't need to write a DVD/CD ... I usually don't [02:40] tgb: you could always remove the drive from the external enclosure and plug it into your motherboard :) [02:40] I just need to be able to boot this 1TB drive just in case something goes kablowey with my upgrade and I need to roll back. [02:40] lol, true [02:41] tgb: is the drive a linux drive ? or FAT32/NTFS ? [02:41] I'm trying to minimize work in case something does go wrong... I'd prefer not to sneeze to hard on my Software RAID if I need to roll back [02:41] it's ext3 [02:42] I could throw it in the machine, put it on /dev/sda1, see if I can get it to boot with a Live CD, and then pull the drive and do my upgrade to my RAID afterward [02:42] your raid is what, raid1, raid5, [02:42] ? [02:42] Boot CD should be able to do that from the LILO boot prompt.........(thinking out loud) [02:42] software raid5 [02:43] so I could pull just one drive [02:43] it's a good 10h rebuild but it is an option I'm considering [02:43] ah. If it were raid1, I'd say to remove one drive, then do the upgrade on the other drive (as a degraded array) [02:43] or just unplug the other drives [02:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4386925.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Well, I should be able to know if things are safe by pulling one drive from the array, testing to see if I can boot off my 1TB drive, then reformatting the array if all is well... [02:45] yeah but that sort of defeats the purpose of doing an upgrade (might as well install from scratch, yes?) [02:45] ktabic (n=ktabic@81.135.190.41) joined ##slackware. [02:45] When I was in my 20s I would be happier about pulling the drive and inserting the new one... [02:45] yah, the older I get, the less fun it is to mess with PC hardware [02:46] Hate to say it, but I've loved Slackware for the past 13 years... since '96, but I'm finally jumping elsewhere... :( [02:46] eh? what happen? [02:46] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] 13 years of Upgrading/dependancy issues is enough.... [02:47] once you go slack, you never go back :) [02:47] I know... I know... [02:47] It's been a long good time. [02:47] tgb: you will be back [02:47] Possibly... [02:47] I tried ubuntu, fedora , ... HATED them all [02:47] don't know why [02:48] Last time I attempted an upgrade to my Slackware MythTV HTPC I managed to toast the thing. [02:48] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:48] argh, brb [02:48] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [02:49] I really shouldn't start a distro holy war in here though.. ;) [02:49] Slack's been magificent for me.. Just want to make sure she's there for me one last time in case something goes wrong with my upgrade... [02:50] if I have all the files backed up, putting a slacks system back on to a software raid should be as simple as building a RAID5 array, copying all the files over, and using LILO to boot from the /boot partition, correct? [02:51] (last time I did anything like this, transferring a linux system from one drive to another using cp -a was back in '97 I think... I theory it should still work, just wanted to check... :) [02:51] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-208-85.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [02:52] Super fast question then... is there any way of mounting a USB drive from a Slackware boot CD? [02:52] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] bleah, that's what I get for running irssi outside of screen [02:52] (sorry if my questions are schitzo... mind just racing through the options) [02:54] sorry, what was the question? [02:54] If I boot slackware from the install CD, can I later mount a USB external HD? [02:54] "The voices in my head told me to install ubuntu. Should I listen to them?" [02:54] lol [02:55] you can, yeah [02:55] tgb: try it out .. it should be possible [02:55] I don't see the /dev/sd*1 device showing up... [02:55] just /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 which is my internal HD [02:55] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] now, if you want to boot from the slackware CD and mount your USB drive as root fs, that's what you need the usb-pxe-installers stuff for [02:55] I'm using a Slack11 CD1 if it's relevant [02:55] Urchlay: not entirely sure where to look for that. [02:56] Getting it working from the CD non-boot would be fine for me, I think... [02:56] It *should* be /dev/sdb, or /dev/sdf, but I can't see it.. :| [02:56] ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers [02:57] no idea if that existed in 11.0 though [02:57] you may have to modprobe usb-storage and whatever else you need [02:57] Urchlay, slack 12.2 would be OK... not clear how that would work though... would you install it off the install CD without an existing partition? [02:58] tgb: guess it depends what you're trying to do [02:58] Well, ignore the boot direct from USB HD [02:58] honestly I've never tried to install directly to a raid5 [02:58] at the moment I'm happy with mounting it after CD boot [02:58] don't worry about the raid5 either [02:58] Let's simplify with a thought experiment: [02:59] in that case, try booting the slack 12.2 CD, see if your USB devices show up there? [02:59] Machine, no internal HD, DVD drive, slack 11 disk 1 install CD, and external USB HD with ext3 partition [02:59] would like to mount partition after slack 11 disk 1 boots. [02:59] yeah [02:59] So slack 11 no good, should look for 12.2? [02:59] ehm. I have no idea whether slack 11 could do that, or if so, how [03:00] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Well, it can see the device just fine, but that might be with my own kernel... :| [03:00] slack 11 do what? [03:00] am not entirely sure whether 12.2 can do it automagically [03:00] ... [03:00] slackytude: access USB storage devices from the install CD environment [03:00] I guess I should just crack the case open and do it the old fashioned way... [03:01] probably not [03:01] (actually I never did run 11, I skipped from 10.2 to 12.1) [03:01] Action: slackytude ran 11 but has no clue [03:01] I think my install before this one was 10.2... [03:01] I think my problem is the Slack 11 sata.i kernel on the CD doesn't have USB support [03:02] but I never spend much time inside the installer in any case [03:02] slack 12.x has a "huge" kernel that boots by default and should do both sata and USB [03:03] Doesn't help that my other machine I'm using to test all of this appears to hate Linux with a passion [03:03] I guess I'd need to DL slack 12.2 then... or perhaps something smaller like Slax. [03:03] tgb: is that the "genuine advantage" I keep hearing about? :) [03:03] hmm.. huge26.s kernel... wonder if that... nope, kernel panic,... [03:04] Urchlay : I think it's the bloddy video card, or something. [03:04] just get install-d1 (the CD image, not the DVD) [03:04] It's amazing that machine boots any OS at this rate... [03:04] Hmm [03:04] quicker to DL, and will answer your hypothetical question [03:04] Slackware Disk 1 is the only thing that seems to boot on it. [03:05] Nah.. I'll just do the real thing.... gotta crack the case open in any case. [03:05] something telling you not to jump ship perhaps? [03:05] The server I'm upgrading is the core of my home network. I don't reboot it or crack the case open lightly... :) [03:06] OK, a better question: if you're really going to run something other than slack, why are you going to so much trouble to upgrade slack? [03:06] Nah, my Slack server is held together with duct tape and snot at the moment... desperately need an upgrade. [03:06] I'm not trying to upgrade slack [03:06] I want to have a back out route in case something goes wrong [03:06] ah [03:06] would like to be able to boot from this new 1TB hd [03:06] in case my install over my existing RAID5 fails [03:07] or be able to move the 1TB HD of data back to the RAID5 [03:07] moving from the 1tb to the new r5 is the way to go [03:07] which will be a real problem if I can;'t do it externally... the SATA bus on the HD is full up [03:07] you could have avoided this dilemma by keeping the OS and data on separate partitions (or even separate raid devices) [03:07] Only so many hard drives... :) [03:07] what dilemma though? [03:07] (yeah, like that's real helpful to you right now....) [03:07] you have a 1TB disk as a backup? [03:08] OK, lemme try again: [03:08] Slackware 11 system on 4 320GB drives as a 920GB software RAID 5 array [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] I'm planning on upgrading this system with a fresh OS install, but if something goes wrong I want to be able to back out and put things back the way they were [03:09] sQuEE (n=narya@host211.201-253-131.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Where's the readme for setting up mysql? [03:09] I have my entire RAID backed up to a new 1TB array [03:09] ccfreak2k: check the rc script [03:09] new 1TB array, or just one drive? [03:09] I did, but I wanted to know if there was a seperate file or if this is it. [03:09] ccfreak2k: slackwiki too [03:09] and would like to know if I could boot my machine off the 1TB array, as an external USB device, before taking the plunge and destroying my existing RAID5 with a fresh install [03:09] ** 1TB External USB drive [03:10] right. So all you need is a way to make the external drive bootable [03:10] yes. [03:10] tgb: my personal method would be to copy the array to the 1TB disk and go for it [03:10] I know... My data is safe. [03:10] but... [03:10] (which may involve making it not be external, depends on whether your bios boots well from USB) [03:10] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] the setup time for Slackware is enormous.. I don't want to lose that investment if things are totally messed up with the new OS install [03:11] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:11] Urchlay ... problem is not external isn't really an option as every SATA port on the motherboard is in use for the RAID5 [03:11] Nick change: RaeGrepus -> superGear [03:11] tgb: run raid5 in degraded mode temporarily? [03:11] Urchlay: considered that... [03:11] actually. External drive will likely be old PATA interface [03:12] wtf? [03:12] It would mean creating a degraded array, copying 1TB of data to it, then rebuilding... [03:12] (have you taken the enclosure apart yet?) [03:12] huh? [03:12] this is not that complicated [03:12] no, I meant. Stick new 1T drive in machine, in place of one of the 4 raid5 disks [03:12] you have a USB 1TB [03:12] .... [03:12] If I put the 1TB drive inside the machine, in an attempt to rebuild... [03:13] what is the issue? back up the array, /etc and /var to the 1TB disk and get on with the install [03:13] nullboy: he wants an "instant recovery" scenario it sounds lik [03:13] like [03:13] Well, instant = 2 days would be OK [03:13] so what is the issue then? [03:13] fati (n=brian@71.238.167.164) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] i fail to see a problem here [03:13] I'm not sure if that's an easy recovery scenario... [03:13] you have a free 1tb disk.... [03:13] full of backup data. [03:14] tgb: it's Linux, you really can use "cp -a" to restore the backup (plus running lilo afterwards) [03:14] **IF** I can read the drive. [03:14] i do that with rsync myself [03:14] which is my problem [03:14] I do cp -a... :) [03:14] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:14] but.. all the same at the end of the day... :) [03:14] greets [03:14] and the issue is? [03:14] there is no issue. you have a single disk that can take the whole system right now... [03:15] If something goes wrong, and I need to reconstruct the RAID array and put my data on it, how do I do that? [03:15] you can't do that with what you have. you need to back up the array, etc and var to the 1TB [03:15] if you want osme instant restore you need more disks [03:15] bottom line [03:15] tgb: you could boot any ol' live CD (even something like ubuntu) and use "cp -a" to restore your slackware system from the USB drive [03:15] I can't read the external drive! [03:16] Which is what I'm asking [03:16] so why did you even talk about that drive then? [03:16] yes you can, if you use some other live CD besides a slackware 11.0 installer [03:16] if I screw up and need to recover... and I can't read the external drive, then I'm screwed... [03:16] this is stupid [03:17] If something goes wrong I need the following: [03:17] 1) Internal RAID array [03:17] tgb: either you have the resources to do what you want or you don't have the resources and you need to do it a different way or buy the resources you need. [03:17] 2) backup 1TB drive [03:17] 3) a mechanism to read and write to both simultanously [03:17] I'm looking for 3. [03:17] so wtf [03:17] tgb: just about any live linux CD can provide all 3 of those [03:17] Obviously slackware can't. [03:17] hahaha [03:17] i was waiting for that [03:17] it doesn't *have* to be a slackware installer CD, since you aren't actually doing an install [03:18] well I have an additional problem... I'm trying to get a linux live cd working on another machine to see if it's readable. [03:18] .... [03:18] but this &*&(*$! alternate machine can't boot a live CD. [03:18] blah blah blah [03:18] and I think (though you may want to ask someone who knows) that slack 12.2's install CD would work, too [03:18] some back when you have a real question [03:18] /ignore nullboy [03:18] some/come [03:18] Yea, I might have to give that Slack 12.2 a try, Urchlay [03:19] Really it's all a bit of paranoia... wanting to make sure I have my string just in case I need to retrace my steps. [03:19] i have migrated my own arrays using just slackware install medias and single backup disks [03:19] Hmm. [03:19] I shouldn't need this back track. [03:19] For some reason I can't su to mysql. [03:19] the same scenarios [03:19] yeah, but unless you've got heavy duty bandwidth, it'll take hours to download... you might want to spend minutes to do some research & make sure the 12.2 install disc can in fact read your USB drive [03:19] iknighty (i=knighty@86.121.146.160) joined ##slackware. [03:20] ccfreak2k: what's the mysql user's default shell? [03:20] It's set to /bin/false [03:20] /bin/false perhaps? [03:20] none [03:20] I've got the heavy duty bandwidth... just trying to make what I have work and not get too frustrated in the process... :) [03:20] err, false, [03:20] so you can su to mysql, but his "shell" immediately exits [03:21] better question: why do you need to su mysql? [03:21] you can't su [03:21] http://slackwiki.org/Configuring_MySQL [03:21] (as opposed to "sue mysql", I guess I could think of a reason to want to do that!) [03:21] and you don't have to "su" [03:21] OK, well, either it works or it doesn't... thanks for the advice. [03:22] It's appreciated. [03:22] it can work just fine with what you have described [03:22] i have done it myself [03:22] tgb (i=1000@S01060015e9b0fad9.vs.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [03:22] blah blah blah [03:22] ccfreak2k: I think those instructions are maybe outdated... but you can "vipw" or "usermod" to temporarily give the mysql user a real shell [03:22] some peoples kids. [03:23] Urchlay, I went with option two, but I was just making sure. [03:23] Urchlay : why do you need to login as mysql user ? [03:23] iknighty: I don't. But the URL he just pasted in here has a set of directions that tell him to... [03:23] what is stopping tgb from "renting" the gear he needs to do whatever the hell he was talking about anyway? [03:23] i do that all the time with fry's and bestbuy [03:24] Buying then returning? [03:24] "oh i need an ESATA card..." [03:24] ccfreak2k: exactly [03:24] IIRC, last time I ran mysql_install_db, I did it as root, then "chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql" :) [03:24] Dirty looks from management? [03:24] Nick change: |kevlinux| -> kevlinux [03:25] ccfreak2k: actually it looks like you might be able to, as root, run "mysql_install_db --user=mysql" [03:25] ^ that's how i did it iirc [03:25] Urchlay, yeah, did that. [03:25] I'm assuming it's all set up now. [03:26] I know I did it the *wrong* way last time I did it, and it ended up OK :) [03:26] that chown method works too though [03:26] yeah, after the 2-3 minutes I spent cussing and wondering why mysqld wouldn't run :) [03:27] iknighty (i=knighty@86.121.146.160) left ##slackware. [03:27] nullboy, I checked, and it's already chowned, and rc.mysqld start started without any error messages. [03:27] cool [03:27] So all is well in mysqld land. [03:28] nullboy: actually I hate doing the "hardware rental" thing [03:28] they want a lot of personal info when you do that [03:28] it doesn't feel right, i agree there, but he was making a mountain out of a mole hill [03:28] he had everything he needed [03:29] yah [03:30] sure, there is always a bit of anxiety involved in that situation but your full backup should quell that [03:30] but, if it were you or I, we wouldn't be in here asking, we'd just do it [03:30] man, Visual Studio 2005 is 2.7 Gigs [03:30] (and maybe if something horribly bad happened, *then* we'd be in here asking "now what do I do?", but except for hardware failures it's pretty straightforward...) [03:31] yep, short of the 1TB disk failing he'd be cool [03:31] as of tonight I now have a horribly confusing software raid setup [03:31] graph paper and a pencil hahahah [03:32] or anyway it would be if it were someone else's and I were called in to fix it :) [03:32] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:32] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [03:32] i still draw out my big messes [03:33] used to be 5 250G drives, raid5. Now it's 3 250Gs plus 2 250G partitions on a couple of 1T drives, raid5... and the other 750G of the 1T drives are now a raid1 [03:33] Action: pragma_ gibbers. [03:33] pragma_: hmm haven't seen you for a while [03:34] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [03:34] almost bought 3 1T drives, copied over all the data, and tossed the 250Gs in the trash (still not convinced I shouldn't have) [03:35] i'd justify the cost of the 3 disks by the amount of stress avoided alone [03:35] of course if I buy 3 drives of whatever size... a month later, I'll find the same sized drives for half that price [03:36] actually I have a good reason not to have 3 of the 1T drives: they don't actually work on my motherboard (had to also buy a SATA 3.0G capable PCI card. Those are not as easy to find as you'd think...) [03:37] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-175-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] heh, so really I've got an array with 3 different speed drives in it (one PATA/133, two SATA/150, two SATA/300) [03:38] kind of makes me think of the car from the Mary Poppins movie [03:38] or johnny cash's caddy [03:41] yeah :) [03:42] well one day I'll make enough money, I can buy all new nice stuff at once [03:43] (or maybe not, *shrug*) [03:44] still it bugs me that a brand new raid1 array has to resync for 4 hours... seems like it ought to be unnecessary [03:44] my r1 made out of 2x750GB is brutal to resync [03:44] yeah... this one's taking longer than it should 'cause I'm having to use the machine while it happens [03:45] (believe it or not I'm actually working right now... though I've cleverly made it seem as though I'm just babbling on IRC...) [03:46] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10337 [03:47] look! my paste ID number was almost as leet as the paste itself! omg [03:47] :) [03:48] and for the record, 750GB is not enough /dev/md0 688G 662G 20G 98% /DATA [03:49] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [03:49] http://pastie.org/390531 [03:49] it is chugging away though ~58MB/s? [03:49] that's not too bad [03:49] yes, I do have 2 tiny raid1's with 4 mirrors each... [03:51] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-137-255.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:52] tgb (i=1000@S01060015e9b0fad9.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] gah [03:53] What device name should a USB HD show up in under slackware... /dev/sdb, etc, right? [03:53] tgb: yah [03:53] yeah should be sdX [03:53] rescan-scsi-bus sees it. [03:53] but it's not mounted. [03:53] so mount it? [03:53] does fdisk -l show it? [03:53] correction: doesn't show up in /dev [03:53] that's a lower case L [03:53] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [03:54] nullboy : no it doesn't. [03:54] something is awry, does lsusb show anything? [03:54] check dmesg, see if it showed up as /dev/disk/blahblah/something [03:54] lsusb not included in slack 12.2 CD. [03:54] it's in dmesg [03:55] and rescan-scsi-bus sees it [03:55] it's scsi7. [03:55] what does it show up as in dmesg? [03:55] scsi7 isn't a storage device though [03:55] does dmesg have any mention of usb-storage? [03:55] wouldn't id7 be the controller itself? [03:55] hmm... says usb-storage: device scan complete just before scsi7... [03:56] OK, usb-storage is in the kernel at least [03:56] perhaps.. could be seeing the internal HD [03:56] possibly you have to create the inodes yourself? [03:56] (no udevd running during the installer?) [03:56] er, the device nodes I mean to say. [03:57] it doesnt see my USB card reader either.. (but Slack 11 never did) [03:57] lemme look through these kernel messages. [03:57] nullboy, this is why I don't want to jump gung ho into the upgrade. [03:58] It's not stupid to be rigorous about this kind of thing. [03:58] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:00] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "leaving" [04:01] !ls /dev/sd* [04:01] rats, doesn't work.. [04:01] no /dev/sd* exist? [04:01] grazymax (n=grazymax@host69-152-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:01] no they're there... [04:02] wanted to see what the node numbers were on this linux machine to use mknod to make new ones [04:02] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:02] morning folks :-) [04:02] /dev/sdb is 8,16 [04:02] /dev/sdb1 is 8,17 [04:02] mknod /dev/sda b 8 0 [04:02] mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 [04:03] etc etc [04:03] b, not c? [04:03] morning macavity [04:03] what's going on? [04:03] b for block [04:03] (disks aren't char devices) [04:03] I'm trying to get a slack 12.2 cd to see an external USB drive [04:03] ok [04:04] creating nodes by hand? thats so 90's [04:04] yup... those devices aren't there. [04:04] welcome to my slackware nightmare... ;) [04:04] tgb: what do you mean [04:04] now, creating the nodes might not actually help :) [04:04] and an obvious sign that there is something wrong [04:04] macavity: in the install CD environment? [04:05] it worked out of the box for my buddy [04:05] should the installer be magically creating nodes with udevd? [04:05] All I want is to be able to mount an external USB hard drive from the Slackware boot CD. [04:05] (he's not actually trying to run setup at all BTW) [04:05] it just detected /dev/sr0 as it should [04:05] macavity: the kernel did, or the setup scripts did? [04:05] yea, Urchlay , slack's boot CD makes a nice instant command prompt. [04:05] Urchlay: probably both [04:05] he's not trying to run the installer at all [04:06] tgb: do you see /dev/sr0? [04:06] The USB drive mounts just fine from my installed Slackware 11 system. [04:06] /dev/sr0 exists [04:06] up to /dev/sr4 [04:06] sr0 would be the cd-rom, he's trying to mount USB storage (which ought to be sda or whatever) [04:07] ah, right [04:07] is that the device I'm looking for? [04:07] it has static device nodes [04:07] there's a multi SD card reader in here too [04:07] should show up as 4 devices under /dev/sd* [04:07] yeah, no udevd in the installer [04:07] tgb: it is probably /dev/sr0 [04:07] Urchlay: my buddies usb cdrom shows up as sr0 [04:07] try that first [04:07] macavity: yeah... but this is a USB hard drive [04:07] I'm guessing from the sound my computer made /dev/sr0 is the DVD drive [04:08] >_< [04:08] macavity: you're late to the party :) [04:08] I'll try dumb things like checking the USB cable... again.. :) [04:08] tgb: did you create the /dev/sda etc. device nodes? [04:08] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4D93E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:09] no, /dev/sda, /dev/sda1 are already there on boot.. that's the internal NTFS drive... [04:09] ah. "drive" as in "not optical drive but hard disc drive"... i apologize [04:09] not relevant to what I'm trying to do.. :) [04:09] Are there any tools for reading CPU temperature? [04:09] wwiat [04:09] wait wati [04:10] tgb: well sdb then [04:10] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:10] unplugged and replugged in the drive [04:10] now have many sd devices [04:10] ahhh [04:10] so there is udevd [04:10] yup there it is.. [04:10] would be nice if that worked consistently though [04:10] or on boot... [04:10] ccfreak2k: other than lmsensors? [04:11] Anakin (n=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [04:11] /dev/sdb to /dev/sdf are now showing up... as well as /dev/sdf1 which is my drive.... [04:11] ah! [04:11] only change was replugging in the USB cable for the 2nd time. [04:11] hm. Flaky. [04:11] I'll try a reboot... Even if there's a magic dance to get it working, if it's consistent that's OK with me [04:12] Flaky USB is my Slackware experience over the past umpteen years, unfortunately. [04:12] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [04:12] not mine [04:12] My server never seems to see my SD card reader unless the moon is in the correct phase. [04:12] or I wouldn't have stuck with it... [04:13] OK, reboot, devices aren't there... [04:13] unplug, replug... [04:13] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:13] no change... devices aren't there. [04:14] I'll give it a minute. [04:14] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [04:14] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-103-173-73.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] macavity : If I could actually see the external USB drive consistently, I wouldn't be worried about the rest. :) [04:15] Nope, it worked once, then hasn't worked again [04:15] I'd seriously wonder if you haven't got a crappy USB controller... so far two devices are failing to work reliably [04:15] slackware pixies must have worked their magic 5% of the time... [04:16] Urchlay, /var/log/messages can shed some light! [04:16] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:16] dude, I can tell you from years of experience, slackware works just fine with USB (provided your definition of "just fine" includes having to mount the drives yourself) [04:16] Yup, /var/log/messages is useful [04:16] it sees the device [04:16] identifes it as /dev/sdf [04:17] ccfreak2k: eh, I didn't even know the install CD environment had /var/log/messages [04:17] and then proceeds not to create devices [04:17] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] I *MIGHT* be able to mknod it [04:17] Urchlay, yep. [04:17] Anakin (n=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [04:17] 8,80 [04:17] yupm that works fine [04:18] ahh slackware my old friend [04:18] ccfreak2k: I hardly ever use the installer, can't be bothered to remember details (will figure out as I need to :) [04:18] nothing like making nodes manually [04:18] :-) [04:18] to get the most basic of functions to work [04:18] ... ok [04:18] I *liked* making nodes manually (not in the installer, but in the installed system) [04:18] you created the node, and it was *there* [04:18] that should be enough.. have a few weapons in my arsenal in case things go screwy during my upgrade. [04:19] you changed the permissions on it, and they stayed changed [04:19] It's a good thing, for static devices [04:19] ones you don't take out of the machine without some sort of static event.. :) [04:19] plipp1 (n=cam@m83-188-218-207.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Connection timed out [04:20] OK, I think that's good enough for me. [04:20] Unfortuantely the experience has hardened my resolve... :| [04:20] agentc0re: pong [04:20] yeah. Am still used to thinking of the computer as a big box that sits on my desk, and is self-contained [04:20] (even though that hasn't really been true for many years now) [04:21] I just need to spend another minute in here.. reminincing of the glory days of the 1.2.13 kernel... [04:21] that's how i looked at retail wireless routers until i read about openwrt...holy crap [04:21] tgb: you're pissed at slackware because you're able to hack the install CD into doing something other than install slackware? that is a *good* thing, no? [04:21] taking home slackware on 20 floppies or so copied from the university... many of which had errors... :) [04:21] i always considered those units sealed boxes [04:22] I'm not pissed at it [04:22] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host56-73.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [04:22] I have no animosity towards it. [04:22] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host56-73.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [04:22] I'm just getting very tired. [04:22] yeah that happens [04:22] Well, it's worse than the typical getting tired unfortunately in my case... [04:22] you'll dream device nodes now, it'll be fun [04:22] lol [04:22] ergh. I've just spent over an hour trying to duplicate a bug a client reported.... all I can conclude is that the client is an idiot [04:23] Urchlay... that's not unusual... [04:23] however they can be nice people too [04:23] ID ten tee error [04:23] this one's not nice [04:23] he's literally screaming mad [04:23] marathon (n=chatzill@host-84-220-118-39.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [04:23] I did tech support for the univeristy [04:23] some are nice [04:23] (fortunately he's screaming at my boss, not me) [04:23] hello is there a tool to show jpeg images in console framebuffer? [04:23] i did customer service for a hard disk distributor for a few years [04:24] some are evil.. think they know everything but have no idea what they're talking about... PhD gives the worst license to believe you know everything... [04:24] marathon, zgv [04:24] I mean, have you ever been screamed at over the phone? you can't usually even understand what's being said, due to the distortion... [04:24] zgv [04:24] ok [04:24] i got screamed at over the phone in Chinese [04:24] i don't speak Chinese [04:24] tgb: ugh, yah. I've known a couple of PhDs like that. [04:24] If I do come back to slackware I'll happily come back here and eat crow. :) [04:24] nullboy: well, in that case, I might be amused [04:25] haha [04:25] I might talk back to them in a fake chinese accent... "Why you so angly? You yerring at me no get job done faster!" [04:25] I think the final straw for me was about 12 months ago when i attempted to upgrade my libs to get Firefox 3 working. [04:25] I never made it, had to backtrack, and the system's not quite worked properly since. [04:25] i thought FF was statically linked? [04:26] needs... libc.. certain version? [04:26] OTOH, everywhere I work, I make it real clear... I am not a people person, do not make me talk directly to the clients. You won't like it, I won't like it, the client won't like it... [04:26] Ability to solve these complex problems radically diminished since I went on disability.. part of the problem... I need to move to a Linux OS variant for dumber people... :) [04:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-123.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:27] tgb: what were you trying to do, run the precompiled firefox from mozilla.org? [04:27] Yea, I think so.. but it needs... libc6?... I don't recall at the moment [04:27] didn't work in a bad way [04:27] attempting to upgrade almost toasted my machine to a non-bootable state [04:27] managed to bring her back from the brink. [04:28] zgv failed to inizialite mouse [04:28] tgb: how did you manage that? [04:28] anything other? [04:28] I don't remember.. some sort of critical library package... libc6? as I said I don't recall now... memory is shot. [04:28] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:28] marathon, there is one but I forget the name.. [04:28] version mismatch for slackware 11... [04:29] my bad.. FF3 is dynamically linked [04:29] me too i forgot the name it's very simple [04:29] marathon, that would be a problem with svga, not zgv [04:29] it's a small pc 64mb old pc [04:29] i m connected in remote console [04:29] tgb: yeah. Which is why you don't run somebody else's binaries for some other distro... you should have been compiling FF3 yourself, or using somebody's slackbuild (did slackbuilds.org do a FF3 build, before slackware had FF3?) [04:30] It's a non-trivial upgrade for slack... probably better to do a wholescale reinstall for the latest slack version rather than attempting an upgrade. [04:30] Urchlay: no [04:30] i would like to show some images [04:30] try loading the svga helper modules [04:30] I think I tried that and it didn't work Urchlay ... it still requires the latest versions of libc no matter what. [04:30] i done it in the past but now i forget the tool name used [04:30] Urchlay: but "everyone" I know was using ff3 from --current :) [04:30] i forgot [04:30] marathon: remote console? Like, you're connected to it via ssh? [04:30] marathon, does mouse work with *any* svga apps? [04:30] yep [04:30] zgv won't work over ssh [04:30] and the libc stuff I was doing was from proper slack packages... something I was missing though [04:30] (nor will any svgalib or framebuffer app) [04:30] there is only the console and the framebuffer no mouse [04:31] it's a great way to kill your system if you try to do it overnight without enough sleep. [04:31] marathon: console/framebuffer on the machine you're sitting at? or on the machine you're remotely logged into? [04:31] Also a few months ago I tried the slack-apt (?) package and clobbered my slackware HTPC... [04:31] in the remote console [04:31] which was a big mistake in retrospect... :) [04:32] slapt-get isn't an official tool [04:32] slackpkg is [04:32] Anyways... even if I'm moving on from slack I have those 13 years of experience that she taught me... I hopefully won't forget much of that. :) [04:32] slackpkg was it... [04:32] no wait [04:32] oh well [04:32] I don't remember anymore. [04:33] marathon: erm. What are you actually sitting at? If you've got X locally, and X libs installed on the remote box, you can tunnel X... but it's probably easier to just copy the images over (with scp or sftp) and view them locally [04:33] oh well. [04:33] anyways, thanks for the help.. I'll poke this HD with the mknod stick if anything does go wrong. [04:33] in the remote pc there is a console [04:33] and i can access the framebuffer [04:33] later. [04:33] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [04:33] tgb (i=1000@S01060015e9b0fad9.vs.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [04:34] marathon: yes, but if you show pictures on the remote PC's framebuffer, you have to get in your car and drive to where the remote PC is, to see them... [04:34] unless you're trying to display them for someone else to look at? [04:34] i would like to send a jpg to the remote via ftp and show it [04:35] show it to whoever's looking at the screen on the remote machine? [04:35] in that case, zgv ought to do the trick [04:35] my mom [04:35] my mom is in the other side [04:36] marathon, there is a fbida too [04:36] fbradeon the driver [04:36] ergh. [04:36] kozandr_ (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:37] I don't think you'll get svgalib to work on a radeon framebuffer [04:37] phone :( wait [04:37] your mom uses a system that only have console/framebuffer support? no X? [04:37] you need an app that supports the framebuffer directly (without using svgalib) [04:38] does your mom hack the gibson too? [04:38] no X [04:38] dude your mom is leet [04:38] sure [04:39] seriously, who's mom uses only cli.. that's rad [04:40] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [04:41] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:42] phone sorry just a sec [04:42] anyone know a good place to buy a air pistol? [04:43] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:44] endeavormac_ (n=endeavor@li39-146.members.linode.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:44] what, like a BB gun? [04:46] nar pelets. [04:46] I got an air rifle not long ago :> [04:46] no idea where they come from [04:47] frullet: would you suggest getting it online or finding a store? [04:47] I mean everyone I knew had one as a kid, but we never really thought about where the parents got them for us I guess [04:47] acidchild: I would suggest getting it from a private sale if you want it promptly [04:48] frullet: what do you mean by that? [04:48] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] any suggestions of companys or websites? [04:48] acidchild: Buying it from a store is generally a 2 week waiting period, plus you have to purchase a liscence for it, well in australia you do anyway [04:48] I think probably wal-mart sells 'em [04:48] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [04:48] frullet: for a *pellet gun*? [04:49] i want something with a 50V+ [04:49] acidchild: any sporting goods shop in TO should have one no? [04:49] you need a firearms licence what i don't have and don't intend to get [04:49] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Urchlay: Australian laws :P [04:49] this is a completely nonlethal weapon. You might put somebody's eye out, but not kill them [04:49] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [04:49] yeah i want something that will just fucking hurt. [04:49] not in CAN you don't [04:50] really? :O [04:50] savages [04:50] an ordinary steak knife, or a golf club, is a more deadly weapon [04:50] ;) [04:50] :-P [04:50] acidchild: nope, unless that changed recently [04:50] Urchlay: a fire arm is a fire arm [04:50] but a pellet gun is NOT a firearm! there's no fire! [04:51] it works on compressed air, no gunpowder or other explosive involved [04:51] [04:51] ARTICLES [04:51] WHAT IS A PAL? [04:51] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [04:51] A PAL is a Canadian issued 'Possession and Acquisition Licence' required to purchase and own firearms in Canada. [04:51] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:51] arny` (n=arny@79.119.152.53) joined ##slackware. [04:51] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:51] hola [04:51] gah, damn \n's [04:51] Urchlay, but it still fires metal round things :P [04:51] well so does a slingshot [04:52] touche... [04:52] or a straw, if you spit BBs through one [04:52] probably like a federal firearms safety license...but for airguns [04:52] we don't require licenses for airguns here [04:52] we don't require licenses for shotguns, here [04:52] acidchild: it used to be FAC, and yes now is PAL, but for a pellet gun, I think not. [04:53] Air rifles with a velocity of over 500 fps are considered firearms in Canada [04:53] same here too, actually no long guns require a license but assault rifles do [04:53] i want one at 500-600fps [04:53] :) [04:53] for handguns, you don't really need a *license* but you have this 3-day waiting period and a full background check [04:53] I have no idea how that works, if you're buying a used handgun, not from a dealer [04:53] where the hell can you get one that does 500fps? [04:54] Urchlay: here, we'd have to transfer ownership at a federal licensed dealer [04:54] chopp: thats my question! [04:54] not likely [04:54] acidchild: the US supreme court once ruled that a tomato is a vegetable, but that doesn't make it so... [04:54] (actually I think that story is probably a myth...) [04:55] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] nullboy: that may be how it has to work here, too. [04:55] acidchild: are your targets that fast? ;) [04:55] I've never owned a handgun [04:55] chopp: ;> [04:55] i do! [04:56] damnit [04:56] another day ruined [04:56] I've had a handgun pointed at me a couple times, and a shotgun fired at me once (from extreme range) [04:56] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Urchlay: join the club. :) [04:56] http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illustrations/ruger/rugerP345b.jpg [04:56] Daisy Pellet Gun [04:56] Winchester .177 calber 800 fps [04:57] the shotgun guy couldn't even see me though, just knew there was some punk-ass kid in his yard... [04:57] hm.. lots of handgun encounters it seems [04:57] i've never come in to contact with a handgun [04:57] acidchild: really? [04:57] mainly hunting rifles and assault rifles [04:57] http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/Daisy_Pellet_Gun_Winchester_600_X_p/day500x.htm [04:57] tewmten: I've lived in a city where the law states that every household must have at least one gun [04:58] lemme tell ya, the bofors ak5 assault rifle, that's a nice weapon to shoot with [04:58] (not sure if it was specific about handgun vs. rifle or whatever though) [04:58] Urchlay: uh wtf? must have a weapon? [04:58] of course, in our house full of 5 college age kids, it was the one crazy bastard on coke who actually owned a pistol... [04:58] damn vmware-server-console is killing my X [04:58] some sort of redneck city i guess [04:59] tewmten: yeah. Kennesaw, GA. Pretty redneck (there's even a KKK museum) [04:59] hehe [04:59] I said I lived there, not that I liked living there! [04:59] I never said you did! ;) [04:59] Action: acidchild slaps tewmten around [04:59] knob creek, Kansas is about as 'git r done' as you can get when it comes to weapons [04:59] Action: tewmten slaps acidchild around a bit with a blade server [04:59] acidchild: wzup fool? [04:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:00] sharpen the blade server, you want a clean cut... [05:00] nothing much, its 5AM and i've got company at 10 [05:00] :| [05:00] i would probably end up getting killed if i go to usa, im too much of an eurosnob to fit in [05:00] tewmten: depends where you go. I was partying with a bunch of Bulgarians the other night, you'd probably have got along fine [05:01] the only trouble is, they got drunk & forgot they were supposed to speak English... [05:01] tewmten: rofl. [05:01] ok i m back [05:01] so I got drunk enough that it didn't matter [05:01] Urchlay: GA? [05:01] in the remote pc there is voyage distro [05:02] i control it using ssh [05:02] Urchlay: supposed to speak english? [05:02] and the palantir server [05:02] why? [05:02] jag prata väl vilket jävla språk jag vill! ha! [05:02] :D [05:02] so i can see my mom [05:02] and i can talk [05:02] but when i need to show an image i haven't the tool [05:02] tewmten: no sweedish either :P [05:04] en nederlands ook? [05:04] ;) [05:04] tewmten: supposed to speak english, to be polite to their poor idiot guest (me) [05:05] i dont think Denmark constitutes "nederlands".. though it is [mostly] below SE :P [05:05] also, a couple of them are supposed to speak english all the time, cause they're still trying to learn it, and need the practice [05:05] liberion (n=liberion@24.100.105.206) joined ##slackware. [05:06] macavity: yeah. Atlanta is not really a hick town... [05:06] Urchlay: speaking a foeign language an entire evening can be quite straining [05:06] Urchlay: no, i meant, what state is GA? [05:06] GA = Georgia (where Atlanta is) [05:06] ah [05:07] I know a guy who moved from Georgia (USSR) to Georgia (USA) [05:07] oh, yes, GA for GEorgia makese sense :P [05:07] he says it's not really all that different [05:07] liberion (n=liberion@24.100.105.206) left irc: Client Quit [05:07] LOL [05:07] ...there go all the "in soviet russia" jokes [05:08] marathon (n=chatzill@host-84-220-118-39.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]" [05:08] "in soviet russia Georgia lives in you" just seems plain wrong :P [05:08] er, yeah [05:10] hm. GA for GeorgiA makes as much sense as .se for SwEden? [05:10] ok, now that you mention it :P [05:10] DenmarK [05:10] how about .dz for algeria? :p [05:11] O_O [05:11] you are kidding us, right? [05:11] what does language .dz even come from? [05:11] .ie for IrEland [05:11] don zuan [05:11] hum... algerian? :p [05:11] algerian arabic... algeria is called dzair in slang [05:12] hm. It looks like microsoft.ie has finally been registered [05:12] ie is what [05:12] Ireland [05:12] Ireland [05:12] k [05:12] The Land of Ire :) [05:12] carlosantonio60 (n=utilizad@92.250.31.215) joined ##slackware. [05:12] yup [05:12] one day I must go there and drink heavily [05:13] where the most gorgeus women come from... unfortunately also the most tempered women :P [05:13] yeah [05:13] aev (n=doa@adsl72-39.ath.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:13] must be genetic too, all the irish-looking american girls are the same way [05:13] tempered women + pubs, does it also have the highest divorce rates? [05:14] dunno, lot of them are catholic, not big fans of divorce [05:14] amro: strangely, but no [05:14] domestic shouting matches then? ;p [05:14] amro: perhaps the pubs gives the women a healthy break from their men :P [05:14] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [05:15] Urchlay: hehe ok [05:15] carlosantonio60 (n=utilizad@92.250.31.215) left ##slackware. [05:15] I figured football + pubs + angry women at home = recipe for disaster :P [05:15] liberion (n=liberion@24.100.105.206) joined ##slackware. [05:15] heh [05:16] perhaps i should go to ireland and get married then.. i dont care for football and i dont drink :P [05:16] anyone see me typing ?? [05:16] liberion: no [05:16] liberion: nope.. it disapers into the IRC void [05:17] Urchlay, thanx was having a problem with my nick sorry [05:17] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:17] liberion: we are all just cleverly written lisp scripts, so we dont constitute "anyone", but rather "something", please update your grammer parser library [05:17] yeth, I am a lithp thcript [05:18] ok guys thnax [05:18] actually if you go join a random IRC channel, it's surprising how few people you meet who can pass a turing test [05:18] lol [05:19] its not that bad on freenode [05:19] yeah, I've noticed [05:19] I was thinking old EFnet or undernet [05:20] go to dalnet or some such... there you get stalked by 14 year old girls who are pissed that wont have cybersex with them [05:20] macavity, lol [05:20] "Dalnet: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents" [05:20] LOL [05:21] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [05:21] macavity, are u in the US or somewhere else [05:21] liberion: Denmark [05:21] oh fsck.. i forgot i need to go to an office that closes in an hour and a half :-/ [05:21] hard choice: no shower or no breakfast? [05:22] well [05:22] macavity, we used to have a popular show called perverted justice [05:22] you eat breakfast for your own benefit [05:22] showers are for other people [05:22] ok.. better smelly than hungry! [05:22] :P [05:22] macavity, uve probably seen it maybe [05:22] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] afk [05:22] (well, unless you're talking about not showering for 4 or 5 days) [05:23] hey, it was christmas pretty recently.. so what the heck ;-) [05:23] s/days/months/ :P [05:24] macavity, what they didnt so about that so many of the cases were thrown out and they got sued from the family about a guy killing himself [05:24] so=show sorry [05:26] macavity, needless to say that show is no longer on the air [05:29] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:32] http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3482/form1lc1.jpg [05:33] what a ugly bitch [05:34] whoa.. who the hell can keep track of what is what in such a namelist? O_o [05:34] nobody [05:34] not me anyway [05:34] gotta upgrade it, tho [05:35] Action: slackytude wants more money [05:35] KILL IT WITH FIRE! [05:35] orbital nukes [05:36] of course, the people who did this are long gone [05:36] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Client Quit [05:42] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:44] slackytude: crack-influenced? [05:44] Action: slackytude shrugs [05:44] please tell me this is the result of an idiot using some kind of code generator [05:44] Im betting on demonic influences [05:45] (as opposed to an even bigger idiot manually typing all that garbage...) [05:45] Visual Studio .Net Wizard thingy [05:45] yeah. This kind of abomination is exactly why I hate the very concept of IDEs [05:45] hello, I can't unmount my CDROM. I see an error message that sounds like this: [05:45] A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Unmount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") [05:46] Urchlay, well, you can do better looking code even with IDE's. this is extrem crap [05:46] Anakin, how did you mount it? [05:47] a "wizard" is supposed to be for idjit clueless users... developers are supposed to know what they're doing [05:47] thats what she said [05:47] slackytude: I mounted it with mount /dev/hdb after I set my fstab file....I got the same error in KDE when I inserted the disc [05:47] anyway, I need to add some buttons to it and change backend DB layout [05:47] yeah, I know, a good coder can use an IDE to avoid repetitive/boring stuff... but a bad (or non-) coder can do a lot more damage with an IDE than he could with a plain text editor... [05:48] Anakin, is your user member of plugdev group? [05:48] Urchlay, agreed [05:48] slackytude: no it isn't [05:48] slackytude: should I make myself a member of that group ? [05:48] Anakin, aye [05:49] slackytude: I guess I got to logout KDE and login again to make it work, isn't it ? [05:49] Anakin, aye, need to login for group changes [05:50] slackytude: thanks for the help, I'll give it a try now [05:50] no sweat [05:50] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [05:51] umm weird .. if he could mount but not umount [05:54] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:54] slackytude: I get the same error [05:55] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Anakin, and you are a member of plugdev now? [05:55] slackytude: yes [05:55] Anakin, did you log 'completely' out, or just out of kde? [05:55] dive: just of KDE [05:56] log right out and back in# [05:56] :) [05:56] yes dive [05:56] should I reboot or something ? [05:56] no just log out out of all consoles and back in [05:56] then startx [05:57] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [05:57] dive: I'll give it a try 10x [05:57] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Client Quit [05:57] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [06:03] dive: my error message is now "Permission denied" [06:03] hmm [06:03] what does the command 'groups' output? [06:03] users disk wheel audio video cdrom haldaemon plugdev [06:03]  [06:03] tntslack (n=will@adsl54-246.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:04] ok you mounted first as root right? Try unmounting as root, then mounting as user and see if that works [06:04] ok [06:04] I.e with the icon [06:04] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [06:04] as user [06:05] mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb on /mnt/dvd [06:05] no i mean using desktop icon, not in a term [06:06] permission denied [06:06] so umount, open/close cd tray and use icon on desktop [06:06] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [06:07] permissions denied [06:07] . [06:07] strange [06:07] u tell me :) [06:07] maybe if I use root with KDE it will work :) [06:08] Anakin check you /etc/group [06:08] at cdroms add username [06:08] cdrom* [06:08] u mean my username ? [06:08] yes [06:08] or the word username [06:08] it's added [06:09] I did that the first time I saw I get errors [06:09] what you have on /etc/fstab ? [06:10] btw it is not active [06:10] yes comment out the /dev/hdb entry if there is one [06:10] /dev/sda6 / ext3 defaults 1 1 [06:10] /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,owner,ro 0 0 [06:10] /dev/hdb /mnt/dvd auto noauto,owner,ro 0 0 [06:10] /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0 [06:10] devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 [06:10] proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 [06:10] tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 [06:10]  [06:10] comment out the /dev/hdb line [06:11] it's not commented [06:11] comment it [06:11] DONT PASTE IN THE CHANNEL [06:11] spook: sorry I pasted slowly :) [06:11] use a pastebin [06:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:11] did you tried to mount different location, like /media/cdrom? [06:12] tntslack: manually mount ? [06:12] I guess it will work... [06:12] yes [06:13] let's try [06:13] Anakin, you are trying to do it with desktop icon though? [06:13] I mean that's the objective [06:13] mount/umount auto [06:13] well how can I know where it will mount the drive if I commented out the line with hdb in /etc/fstab ? [06:14] because hal will find a place in /media for it [06:14] well hal/dbus etc [06:15] if you have a line in fstab for it, it will use permissions etc from that [06:15] heh. Off-topic, but I think I just found the funniest retarded code I've seen in weeks. In an HTML form with javascript validation that checks that all required fields are filled, I see this: [06:15] alert("Information is missing and marked in red. If this information is not applicable simply mark with an '-'"); [06:15] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [06:16] eh [06:16] thats ok [06:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Anakin (i=1000@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [06:17] if it's possible for it to be not-applicable, why in satan's name would you mark it as a required field? [06:17] put "-" for all :) [06:17] (note: there actually are non-required fields in the form, and the JS code doesn't require them to be filled...) [06:17] yaeh good one :-) [06:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:24] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:24] My HDTV is one of those HDTVs that only supports up to 1024x768 on the VGA port. [06:25] Laaaaaaame. [06:25] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:26] does linux support XGP ? [06:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.19) joined ##slackware. [06:27] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] ccfreak2k: my eyes are those lame eyes that only support about 640x480 at a distance of 10 feet :( [06:29] HDTV would have been really exciting to me 20 years ago, now I can't see the extra resolution anyway [06:29] With a 720p TV and 720p videos, I want 720p signalling! [06:30] I get some 1080p cable channels, but everything even remotely interesting that I might want to watch, is encrypted [06:30] (even the channels I get in the clear on analog cable) [06:31] eh, or maybe they're 720p (does 1080p even exist?) [06:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p [06:33] Urchlay, heh [06:34] I might have to shell out for a video card with a DVI port. [06:35] *shrug*, I can't be bothered to care really. As long as it's not interlaced, I really don't notice the difference (I might start back wearing contacts one day, but last time I did, I tore a hunk of meat out of one cornea...) [06:35] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [06:35] ouch [06:35] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-225-209.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [06:35] yeah [06:36] fell asleep with the contacts in, tried to remove them right after waking up [06:36] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [06:36] thats shitty [06:36] and these were the same kind my old roommate had, which he'd wear all weekend & never take out [06:36] dry eyes [06:36] yeah [06:36] sucks [06:37] dry & sticky eyes, apparentl;y [06:37] I can't stand wearing glasses either... I'm constantly aware of them [06:37] that goes away after some weeks [06:37] (same goes for watches, jewelry, etc. It all drives me insane) [06:37] hi, I can't make my scrolling wheel work, I set it according to humanreadable tutorial, but still nothing [06:38] really don't know what else to do to make it work [06:39] cuba, You have added ZAxisMapping to your xorg.conf right? [06:40] frullet, yep [06:40] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] cuba: Pastebin your xorg.conf [06:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:41] did you sacrifice a pig yet? [06:42] cuba look for your mouse point and replace PS/2 to IMPS/2 [06:43] in xorg.conf [06:44] ok [06:45] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [06:45] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [06:46] CyberOwl (n=olivier@85-218-16-57.dclient.lsne.ch) joined ##slackware. [06:47] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [06:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e7ae60b9dee1a47b) joined ##slackware. [06:47] I must be in idiot mode again - I just tried to kill an X session in qemu with ctrl-alt-backspace - guess what happened.. [06:47] dive, fail [06:47] big fail [06:47] Action: Urchlay kills X that way all the time [06:48] tntslack, thank you, it's working, I tried only ps/2 and auto option before [06:48] windowmaker can handle it... [06:48] so can fluxbox ;) [06:48] yeah but if you try to kill a vm x session... [06:48] it doesn't just close the vm [06:48] and by "all the time" I guess I really mean "on average, once every 6 months when I find a reason to reboot" [06:48] :-) [06:48] cuba cool ;) [06:48] ah, qemu doesn't notice the X server went away? yuck [06:49] Hi everybody [06:49] or you mean, you wanted to kill the vm's X session, but you blew away the host X session? whoops! [06:49] Urchlay, yes [06:49] outch [06:49] someone installed Slackware 12.2 on laptop? Any trouble with acpi? [06:49] i have it [06:50] working fine [06:50] CyberOwl, no troubles at all [06:50] CyberOwl, no problesm here either [06:50] CyberOwl: no trouble, but I'm not trying to make it suspend/sleep/whatever [06:50] lol, [06:50] Urchlay lol [06:50] how did you do that? :D [06:50] eh? [06:50] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [06:51] that a serious question? I thought you had to set that stuff up in all cases, to get it to work [06:51] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:51] lets try then [06:52] did you look at /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for acpi ? [06:52] If I'm not on battery, poweroff and halt works fine, but reboot doesn't restart on both battery or not. And poweroff and halt on cord doesn't shutdown the computer [06:52] actually I've never run it on battery since installing 12.2, because I lost the battery back when it ran 10.2... [06:52] Anakin___ (n=Anakin@ACAE9ED6.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [06:53] no great loss, crappy battery lasted like 45 minutes without the wireless card in [06:53] CyberOwl did you tried to shutdown you laptop by as root ? [06:53] yep [06:53] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:53] CyberOwl and ? [06:54] :-( same problem [06:54] arny` (n=arny@79.119.152.53) left irc: "Leaving" [06:54] did you config your klaptop ? [06:54] or what are you using ... [06:54] 12.0 worked fine in it. 12.1 the boot took too long. Didn't discover why but 12.2 this problem disappeared. [06:55] blackbox [06:55] I use the console command [06:56] don't know about that... [06:56] has anybody had problems with kingston flash drives and there support with linux? [06:57] tntslack, lol, using only kde gui stuff? [06:57] terminal maybe u use as expression? [06:58] CyberOwl, can you pastebin output of lsmod somewhere? [06:58] CyberOwl unfortunately most of staffs on kde yes [07:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-61-68-210-178.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] dive, I'll have lunch right now. After I'll paste it. thanks [07:04] k [07:04] CyberOwl (n=olivier@85-218-16-57.dclient.lsne.ch) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[07:34] Nick change: kalasman1en -> kalasmannen [07:36] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4386925.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4386925.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] tntslack (n=will@adsl54-246.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:39] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [07:40] hello guys [07:41] what's needed when slackware goes into maintenace mode because of a fstab error? [07:41] mount and then chroot? [07:42] i keep getting a read only fs [07:42] fsck might be a great thing to do.. :) [07:42] use cdrom and run fdisk [07:42] err fsck [07:42] Action: slackytude hides [07:42] :D [07:43] slackytude, can i run fsck from the bash? [07:43] i don't have a disc right now [07:43] O_o [07:43] of course [07:43] slackytude, so fsck [07:43] and then mount [07:43] LnxSlck: ultimately, you can do "mount -o remount,rw /" to remount something as read/write. But you'd want to fix the filesystems first (I suppose that's what you mean) [07:43] and then chroot? [07:43] just fix the filesystem and reboot [07:43] no need to chroot, I think. [07:43] it should be back to normal [07:44] Aldaron, yes i need to fix fstab first [07:44] oh [07:44] fstab errpr [07:44] LnxSlck: uh.. What's your error exactly? [07:44] I thought you were talking about filesystem error >-< [07:44] Aldaron, i have logic volumes, and deleted some and forgot to remove them from fstab [07:45] Aldaron, now when slackware boots it sends me to maintenance mode because of the remaining entries from the deleted logic volumes [07:45] you should be able to remount / as writeable [07:46] slackytude, you say enter root password, and in bash do mount -o remount,rw / [07:46] only that? [07:46] thats waht I would do [07:47] slackytude, one timei had a problem like that, and i did something like mount the partition, chroot to it and then edited the fstab [07:47] slackytude, i will try that [07:47] thanks [07:47] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [07:48] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Anakin___ (n=Anakin@ACAE9ED6.ipt.aol.com) left irc: [07:50] you really dont need chroot to edit fstab [07:50] thats more a lilo thing [07:50] and even then you can do without [07:51] LnxSlck: well, "mount -o remount,rw /" then edit /etc/fstab, and finally "mount -o remount,ro /" or do something else that unmounts cleanly [07:54] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Aldaron, why finally remount with ro option? [07:55] slackboy: dance [07:55] he doesn't dance ='( [07:56] LnxSlck: otherwise it will fsck when you reboot [07:56] LnxSlck: maybe that's unnecessary. But I've failed such things many times like this: 1) boot a live-CD 2) mount as read-write 3) fix things and 4) press power button to boot, because we're on a live-CD and.. ooooops! [07:56] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:56] or rather, it might [07:56] I'm not sure [07:56] it's early. :P [07:56] Then do it again, because I, nor the live-cd, did actually write my changes to the physical hard disk [07:57] Your live-cd might do that, depending on how you reboot it [07:58] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:00] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:00] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.36) joined ##slackware. [08:00] what I don't like with python (coders) : reinventing the wheel but not because it's bad, only because it's not written in python : "pymake: A Mostly GNU-compatible `make`, Written in Python " ( http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2009-02-13/pymake/ ) [08:01] Camarade_Tux: That's common, and not just limited to Python. [08:01] heh, Camarade_Tux. [08:01] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-24f4c21a907517de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:02] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-687f9b727d73198f) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Some over-zealous coders are more zealous than others. [08:02] yo Camarade_Tux [08:02] dissing python again? [08:02] :P [08:03] Gargantua: In my experience, managers are usually to blame for that sort of thing. [08:03] godling, I find it happens a lot more often with python (and no matter the language, it always annoys me ;) ) [08:03] hey slackytude ! :) [08:03] godling, and RMS. [08:03] haha [08:03] n0on3 (n=n0on3@81-208-83-247.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] yeah, dissing python again, I need to do that at least every three days and it's already been four days I haven't ! :p [08:04] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] Camarade_Tux, bah [08:04] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92745.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] look at what I have to deal with [08:04] http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3482/form1lc1.jpg [08:05] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:05] slackytude :p [08:05] Wojo_ (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:05] slackytude: ew [08:05] ^A + DEL [08:05] :( [08:05] its driving me mad [08:05] at first I was thinking, crappy imageshack, it doesn't load, only to notice the black pixels on the left of my screen ;p [08:06] heh [08:07] slackytude, where is that from ? and what have you done to deserve that ? [08:08] its the customer managment software we use at work. as you can see it was done by some idiots. and Im not sure why I deserve it. I must have been Hitler in my previous life [08:09] ah, Sexton-Godwin [08:09] Wojo (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [08:10] as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. [08:10] slackytude: Can you refactor this code and at least give the variables better names? [08:11] are you kidding me? [08:11] Is that a no? [08:11] I dont want to spend the rest of my life doing this. Its would probably faster to rewrite it from scratch [08:12] the way I see it now, add the feature that is requested and leave it to the next poor sucker to clean up [08:12] "I must have been Hitler in my previous life" [08:12] I see no comparison [08:12] what ide are you using? [08:12] VS 2005 Pro [08:12] Gargantua, hm? [08:12] he's trying to be pedantic [08:12] of course the comparison is implied [08:14] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-4383377.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:17] slackboy, how did you take that screen shot? [08:18] s/boy/ytude/ :D [08:18] err yeah [08:18] Gargantua, VS 2005 has built-in UML class diagramms, which you can export as pictur [08:18] ah [08:18] there are ways to get such pictures for anything though [08:18] that is, I copied it and pasted it into paint [08:18] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] hi, how can I set lilo for giving me a default for X (which I have now) and an option to boot into 3. run level, to console [08:19] Aldaron, slackytude : thanks [08:19] everything is fine now [08:19] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to sorting his files, while listening to the Mamas and Papas [08:19] Action: slackytude smokes a fag [08:19] LnxSlck, no sweat [08:19] ;) [08:19] liberion (n=liberion@24.100.105.206) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:23] I know how to do it in grub, but in lilo ? [08:23] cuba, I'm not sure but using addappend="/sbin/init n" where n is your runlevel could work [08:24] how do you do it with grub N [08:24] s/N/?/ [08:27] btw, other windows screenshots : http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2797/triexploreref2.png [08:28] http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6186/triexplorer2ek0.png [08:28] I'm actually wondering whether it's a joke and done on purpose or not [08:28] that's ugly :) [08:28] Wojo_ (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] Wojo (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4386925.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [08:30] it could actually fit in half a screen, it uses about 16 that way :) [08:30] btw, explorer.exe did that *automatically* [08:30] OwNeR (n=hayander@200-146-202-070.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvs_@189.27.21.90) left irc: "Leaving" [08:32] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Camarade_Tux, whats that? [08:33] Camarade_Tux: I guess explorer.exe must be functionally retarded. :) [08:33] slackytude, I bought a 1TB hard drive and copied files from a computer to it, that's how explorer displayed them when it as done with copying :) [08:34] and then people wonder why I prefer CLI... :p [08:34] heh [08:34] thats XP? [08:34] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:35] slackytude: vista, I think [08:35] no, XP [08:35] ok [08:35] my brother has set some theme (which I wouldn't have set) [08:35] It's been awhile since I used my Windows box [08:36] I have it set to the win2k theme anyways :) [08:36] godling, lucky you [08:36] not mine and is usually 500km from me but it has a bigger hard drive than my laptop and I've set mldonkey (P2P *daemon*)on it :D [08:37] once I'm done with cleaning my files, I'll install winxp64 and win7 64 :) [08:37] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:41] http://www.slackbook.org/html/x-window-system-xdm.html Does Slackware still come with gdm? [08:41] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E014.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E014.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:43] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:47] amazon10x, echo $PATH [08:47] /usr/lib/java/bin/java exists [08:47] amazon10x, if it's a Slackware package, you can find it: grep javac /var/log/packages/jdk* [08:47] Kjelle_ (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) joined ##slackware. [08:47] kjell (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] ccfreak2k, login, logout [08:47] oh [08:47] ppl, where is the adress of logs from this channel? :) [08:47] i just installed the jdk-somethin.tgz package [08:47] and it put a bunch of stuff in java/bin [08:48] and javac is there now too [08:48] the path is updated at login time and it's not in the default path [08:48] pupit: check the topic urls [08:48] i guess the jdk was never installed,then.... weird [08:48] the path is updated at login time and it's not in the default path [08:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:49] open a term and run 'bash --login' [08:49] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] or -l [08:49] ;P [08:49] well it works now. java was on the path [08:49] godling: thats some blog.... [08:50] pupit: and the link to the log files is on the page [08:50] pupit: look harder. :P [08:51] godling: i've found it, but there are no logs for every single day... [08:51] or im blind. [08:51] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Action: pupit is blind. [08:53] godling: thanks [08:53] np [08:54] pupit: there are other sites that archive irc logs in general, and you might be able to find ##slackware logs on one of them. [08:54] i belive there are but im to lasy to seek them.. [08:55] me too! [08:55] :) [08:56] haha [08:57] Wojo_ (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Which one of you installed the full kde set? [09:03] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [09:03] ccfreak2k: problem with kde? [09:04] ccfreak2k: I installed kde in its entirety, but that was back in slackware 9 [09:04] Just wanna know where your kdm is. [09:05] there are invisible radio buttons inside the form which hold valus >-< [09:05] ye gods [09:05] ccfreak2k: you could just grep for kdm in your package log directory [09:05] whats wrong with variables [09:05] godling, I could, but I don't have KDE installed. [09:06] I'm on my laptop right now which is using arch [09:06] Well, actually, I have kdelibs and kdebase, but it's not in /opt/usr/bin/kdm like rc.4 suggests. [09:06] Err hold on. [09:06] That's the wrong path anyway. [09:07] Not in /opt/kde/bin/kdm either. [09:07] iirc you can get a filelist for any package from the packagebrowser on the .it site [09:07] godling, tried that, but I can't figure out how to list all files in a given package. [09:07] Wojo (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [09:07] Wojo__ (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:07] ccfreak2k: you can search for a particular file [09:08] Did that, but I get too many results per package. 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[09:16] Camarade_Tux, thank you, you were right, if you have append in global section for all images, you must than use addappend in the particular image section to concatenate the argument with the global one, so I made new image section with the same image but addappend option [09:17] cuba (n=cuba@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [09:17] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.89) joined ##slackware. [09:19] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [09:22] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] tvod (n=mint@dsl-207-112-73-205.tor.primus.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:25] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [09:25] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [09:26] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.141) joined ##slackware. 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[09:32] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-252.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:37] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] When deciding which wm to run, Xorg looks for ~/.xinitrc right? [09:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [09:45] correct [09:46] Hmm. [09:46] Oh, I know why it's ignoring it. [09:46] KDM must be reading something else. [09:46] Hurr. [09:46] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-4383377.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] ccfreak2k: a while back, that option was off by default [09:47] not sure if that's the behavior [09:48] My xinitrc already has blackbox set, but KDM ignores xinitrc it seems. [09:50] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:51] theoffset (n=ismael@201-130-230-208-cable.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] how the #slackware doing today? [09:53] anything fun? [09:53] superGear (n=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:53] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] we're all ill and about to die [09:54] and we want ice cream [09:56] or pastries :) [09:57] mmm donuts [09:58] Action: The-Croupier sends some painkillers around... ;) and lots of tea and water [09:58] pancakes ! :) [09:59] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [09:59] waffles [10:00] you dead yet? [10:01] no, actually I'm feelin well, I just wanted to get ice cream :) [10:01] damn :( [10:01] btw, any non french people understand "crepe" ? [10:01] legis (n=jaood@unaffiliated/legis) left ##slackware. [10:01] like in the food "crepe" or the "crepe==shit" [10:03] food, I'd prefer crepes to pancakes but afaik most english-speaking people don't know what they are [10:03] crepe is, afaik, the art of pancakery [10:03] I'm somewhat familiar with crepes. [10:03] crepes are better than pancakes :) [10:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] american pancakes are, uhm... well... errr.. lets just call them "very american" [10:04] I used to have a French girlfriend = lots of crepes :-) [10:04] and wine [10:05] I spent last week eating crepes :p [10:05] is it pancake day yet? [10:05] it's over ;) [10:05] bah [10:05] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:05] I usually pig out until I'm sick [10:05] crepes/"real pancakes" are pretty easy.. just make sure you make the dough the day before, and put it in the fridge as soon as you are done mixing it [10:06] so in North America, pancake day has been replaced with the groundhog day... [10:06] it's pancake day wheneever you feel like it [10:07] when my mother doesn't know what to cook she just makes crepes :) [10:07] macavity, right, although a few hours is enough usually [10:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:08] Camarade_Tux, when she is bored to cook you mean.. there is no woman that doesnt know what to cook [10:08] ;) [10:08] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.112) joined ##slackware. [10:08] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] The-Croupier, depends : if her children all have different tastes, that happens ;) [10:10] 6 eggs, 25g sugar, 230g wheat flour, 450ml water, 150ml beer, 100ml molten butter, 1tsp baking soda, 2tsp vanilla sugar, a pinch of cinamon -> stir thourogly -> fridge for no less than 8h (preferably up to 24h) -> fry on glowing hot pan.. make sure they are thin as paper [10:10] i think she knows that before even her children realise ;) [10:10] macavity, is that the reciept for pancakes? [10:10] ... serve with a quality ice cream (the kind actually made of cream) [10:10] Good `date +%r` [10:11] The-Croupier: that is my crossbreed of crepe and danish traditional [10:11] macavity, looks nice...especially the beer part [10:11] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [10:11] if you want them both fluffy and crisp you cant do it without beer [10:12] observe that ale will not substitute beer [10:12] that's me out then [10:12] classic yellow beer [10:12] beer is not unusual in crepes :) [10:13] i have yet to see a recipie without it [10:13] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] ever eaten out in crepe restaurant? Ham, cheese and egg crepe made with black flour, then desert crepe for desert :-) [10:14] crepe susette? [10:14] Brittany is especially good - nice cider too [10:15] well they had a large choice os savoury crepes [10:15] dive, my mother comes from Brittany ;) [10:15] ah that figures then :-) [10:15] Nick change: credo -> zumz [10:15] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] Restaurants in Brittany are great [10:16] Brittany? [10:17] where is that? [10:17] west coast of france [10:17] ah [10:18] basically http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=48.052382,-2.614746&spn=2.004887,4.943848&z=8 [10:20] keanne (n=riken@125.5.136.115) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:23] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [10:24] I just stumbled on a small app I had made for a friend of mine, mostly as a proof-of-concept [10:24] it runs and windows and the goal was to copy the contents of one's usbkey as soon as he plugged it in your computer [10:25] Srbo (n=Srbo@tmo-096-137.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] it used windows's autoplay feature (the one that asks you what to do 'open in explorer' and friends) not to be noticed [10:26] and it could actually copy any usb key you plugged in a computer without looking any suspicious and without using anything terribly hidden, windows security inside... [10:27] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [10:29] Camarade_Tux: that is how alot of viruses spread, using autorun on usb keys [10:29] Camarade_Tux: which is why every good windows admin disables autoplay on the install media [10:29] nothing new. [10:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Camarade_Tux: i have a small army of regestry patches i apply to my slipstreamed Windows XP discs [10:30] keanne (n=riken@125.5.136.115) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@tmo-104-31.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [10:33] actually that was not the media's autorun.inf which did anything but windows itself, anybody who would put his usb stick in your computer would have all his files copied [10:34] you can achieve the same thing with more complicated techniques but that one was terribly short [10:35] macavity, if I were to make a new slipstreamed windows disc, it would probably scare you ;) [10:36] ... [10:36] wtf are you on about [10:36] slipstream is sci-fi and bends time and space [10:39] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Srbo__ (n=Srbo@tmo-104-180.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] spook, the friend who asked me to do that wanted that when a teacher plugs his usb key in her computer it would be copied (yeah, I know, it's bad, it remained a proof-of-concept hopefully) [10:41] snorks, the other slipstream : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipstream_(computing) ;) [10:43] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:43] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Srbo (n=Srbo@tmo-096-137.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:45] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[10:54] its built into apache [10:54] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] ty [10:55] the "magic" is in the HTTP [10:56] every request contains the name of the server [10:56] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-225-209.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] so you can easily have several hostnames resovle to the same IP adress [10:57] thing is if people try to use just the ip it doesnt work :P [10:58] every short cut has its price :P [10:58] this one is tollerable though [10:58] indeed [10:58] i have only once talked to google via IP address only... to get a working DNS server :P [10:59] the ISP provided one went out for lunch [10:59] now i always use OpenDNS [10:59] i cache my isp's dns servers [11:00] huh? [11:00] using bind on my router [11:00] do you cache your lookups? [11:00] ktabic (n=ktabic@81.135.190.41) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [11:00] yes [11:00] ok [11:01] but still.. if the ISP provided DNS goes out to lunch, you only get so far :P [11:01] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:01] they havent yet. [11:01] YAY! [11:01] latest mesa pull is building :-) [11:01] plus, opendns is otherside of the planet and therefore slow [11:02] strange, i have pretty fast access to it, and i am in europe [11:02] as in, it is not noticable slower to use (except on really fscked up click-o-rame-add-banners-all-over sites) [11:02] they might have servers in europe, but australia definately doesnt have any. [11:03] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [11:03] nukedclx_ (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:03] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:04] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:06] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] ah fsck.. now gallium wont build [11:09] time to go home! [11:09] bo yah! [11:12] what exactly is gallium3d? i've read places where they say it's a replacement for mesa, then someone the other day said it was like a lower-level api backend for opengl or something.. [11:12] still trying to figure out exactly what it's supposed to change/do. although everyone i've seen so far seems to think it's a good idea. [11:12] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] My best guess is that it sits between OpenGL and your video drivers basically. [11:13] Adding yet another layer of abstraction... [11:13] Oh, apparently it works at the driver layer. [11:13] that doesn't sound too bad, but i'm wondering exactly what good that is supposed to do. [11:14] its like a complete rewrite or something [11:14] actually makes it faster or somethgin [11:14] one guy in another channel was saying that this meant we could implement D3D in linux.. and well, that is *definitely* something that i do *not* want to see... :| [11:14] "...with the primary goal of making driver development easier, bundling otherwise duplicated code of several different drivers at a single point." [11:14] AzalynX: ummm? [11:14] Also things like seperating memory management from DRI. [11:15] ccfreak2k: hm.. [11:15] AzalynX: so like, not making use of the graphics card's capabilities? [11:15] spook: hm? [11:15] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BBB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] i mean the d3d api. [11:15] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] not hardware instructions, which are not even remotely related to d3d. unless you count marketing. (since cards are often 'marketed' as "d3d-level z compliant" or whatever, where z is the version of d3d) [11:16] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:16] AzalynX, wine maybe wants to get native D3D [11:17] hm, so you think they might decide to implement wined3d on top of gallium? [11:17] or even being able to run games natively with d3d, no wine. [11:17] you know, game makes more inclined to make native linux versions [11:18] i don't like the idea of compromising.. are we supposed to make it that easy for them? when do the compromises end? [11:18] josemanuel (n=josemanu@49.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:18] AzalynX: ...... [11:19] spook: it is a slippery slope in this situation. [11:19] spook: it's not quite "no-wine" [11:19] still wine wine for the executable format layer [11:19] next people will want to get the whole DX crap implemented natively. [11:19] however, it would make it so that the d3d wine stuff would just be a very thin layer, instead of a d3d -> GL layer [11:20] if companies want to port more easily, they can use winelib, which is practically the same thing anyways [11:20] fred: i'm talking native linux clients for a game using d3d [11:20] spook: ah. [11:20] AzalynX: nah [11:20] winelib still does d3d GL translation [11:20] with gallium, you could make a d3d state tracker that would work on any gallium driver [11:20] that makes me realize that I'm actually buying games since I'm on linux, I guess that's because I don't have to spend 100000$ on all the other softwares [11:20] AzalynX: you have a very foolish attitude [11:20] Hmm. [11:21] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:21] One of the slackbuilds failed! [11:21] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:21] sure, but my point is that if wine decides to use gallium, as others have noted is a possibility. [11:21] (where state trackers implement things such as GPGPU, OpenGL, and D3D on top of the lower-level gallium driver) [11:21] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [11:21] then winelib will be doing the same as a native d3d implementation more or less.. [11:21] josemanuel (n=josemanu@49.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [11:21] by "wine use gallium", do you mean scrap their existing d3d and make a d3d state tracker for gallium? [11:22] That would be a good thing imo :p [11:23] right now they seem to use a d3d->opengl engine they call wined3d, and then they have libraries for each specific api version talking to the wined3d backend. [11:23] so i'm thinking, if wined3d talked to gallium instead. [11:23] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.114) joined ##slackware. [11:23] then it would be similar to a native implementation. [11:24] I'm going to take that as a 'yes' [11:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:24] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] see, personally, i think the community should be self-sufficient. now, i love wine, i think it's one of the most amazing projects ever, but it is in a way, segregated from the rest of the system, wine is a sandbox in a way, and that is how it should remain i think.. [11:26] i don't like the idea what spook mentioned, of having native libraries in linux like d3d, where we have to play catch-up games with microsoft. [11:26] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-175-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:27] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [11:28] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:28] look at apple, they use opengl, and yet they seem to be getting support. furthermore, a lot of game engines have already been ported to opengl.. like for example there *has* to have been an opengl port of the source engine at some point for it to run on the PS3. [11:28] how is a native library called libwine.so better than one called libd3d.so? [11:29] fred: philosophy i guess. as long as it's part of the wine project, the perception is "compatibility layer" [11:29] when it's accepted as a native part of the system, like any other unix library [11:30] In my happy little world, I don't care if libc is part of the gnu project, AIX, or solaris [11:30] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] or if a d3d native library is shipped by wine or X, or if it's called libd3d or libwine [11:32] either way, it's the same code, maintained by the same people [11:32] (not for libc, obviously - that just an example of philosophyh being detached from the soname) [11:32] nukedclx_ (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] well, that's a nice happy-go-lucky way of thinking about it... but when people think "native port of game", they think "opengl/sdl/openal", and posix/unix calls and apis where applicable. [11:35] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:35] i don't think i'm the only one that would have a problem with linux games being written with microsoft api's. [11:35] :| [11:35] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:36] If there's a free implementation, I don't see a problem there; wine playing keepup is surely less effort than every game being ported to opengl. [11:37] and more games, native, with a free implementation, is surely better than less games. [11:37] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:37] but then what's the point of having a native game in the first place? [11:37] why not just run the windows exe's in wine. [11:37] it's still native that way... [11:38] linux native binary != binary which only uses open standards and free software [11:38] Okay... by your logic, we should pick one windowing toolkit, one desktop environment, only GNU coreutils... [11:38] yes, you can make linux native binaries even now with winelib. [11:39] jkwood: how is that my logic? :| [11:39] there's two advantages over winelib: [11:39] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:39] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] AzalynX: Because only one of those is native! Anything else needs to be built and installed separately! [11:40] I mean, if I want to use KDE, I should only use QT apps, right? [11:40] three even: 1) performance 2) you're not restricted to trying to map d3d onto opengl - just the lower level bojects 3) if a d3d dev wanted to make a linux app, they could just do it without using winelib, and otherwise use linux-native functions. [11:40] that isn't what i said jkwood. :| [11:40] Because GTK is an entirely different toolkit. [11:40] but thanks for playing. [11:40] In essence, yes, it is. [11:40] If you have philosophical problems with the Microsoft API, that's fine. [11:40] the core issue here is that d3d isn't an open standard. [11:40] Then say that. [11:41] (and don't say "there's winelib" if that's your complaint) [11:41] i said many times about having to play catchup with their crap. [11:41] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] im not sure if this is the right channel to ask, but I'm trying to compile sqliteman which uses cmake and qmake, the cmake . command results in qmake not being found, I do a whereis qmake and it pulls up /usr/bin/qmake; is there general advice someone can give me about this? [11:41] it's still a closed standup and still needs catchup if it's winelib. [11:41] sorry, this discussion made me think of standup comedy. s/standup/standard/ [11:42] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: No route to host [11:42] fred: yeah, but wine's stated goal *is* to do that very thing. essentially that is their task. and it has it's place. [11:42] just like dosbox, scummvm, etc [11:43] wine is in that same category. and i do believe they see it the same way (at least from what i've read on the site, mailing lists, and from conversations on irc) [11:43] not the same as *vm [11:43] it's just a different binary format laoder [11:44] I'm not sure how dosbox works though. [11:44] if it's a vm, also not the same as wine (note the acronym 'WINE' is not a lie) [11:44] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] well this is irritating :/ [11:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "bbs" [11:44] well, in modern times there's been a bit of blurring of the lines between vm, runtime, etc... but yes, i agree. [11:45] dartmouth: This... is... ##SLACKWARE! [11:45] hah. fair enough jkwood. thanks. [11:45] so, why was making a native free clone of propriety unix tools not bad by the same logic? [11:45] surely we should have made an emulator to run their binaries instead? [11:45] Anyway have you tried #cmake ? [11:45] but i mean it's the same in terms of what the goal of the project is (compatibility with legacy software that never made the cut to our modern systems) [11:45] dartmouth: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/sqliteman/ [11:46] I mean, why does gcc exist? Instead we should just run a proprietary compiler in wine. [11:46] jkwood: im going there next. (totally got a 'this is sparta' from 300 if you weren't going there btw, was wicked funny) [11:46] fred: hm, probably because unix was already a 'specification', and a mess to boot.. hence why linux eventually became *the* dominant *nix. [11:46] AzalynX: so, it's not bad, because it happened? [11:47] i suppose if wine reached that same level, where it became the standard reference design for windows, and windows itself became obsolete, then perhaps that would be different.. [11:47] BP{k}: thanks [11:47] dartmouth: ;) [11:47] Anyway, I should be on my way to my class which I am entirely unprepared for. Later! [11:47] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:47] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] eh. BP{k} i get the same error with the slackbuild [11:48] dartmouth: can you give me the output of `ls -l /var/log/packages/qt*` please? [11:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.200) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Srbo__ (n=Srbo@tmo-104-180.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] BP{k}: http://pastebin.com/m1f91573c [11:50] AzalynX: so are you saying it was bad /before-the-fact/ but because it turned out to become popular, it's fine? [11:50] Action: BP{k} sighs [11:50] dartmouth: Seriously ... [11:50] :( [11:50] darthmouth: If you can't be arsed to properly read instructions..., or did you *fail* to notice that sqliteman has a dependency of QT4 as per the README. [11:50] oh. oh. oh. oh. [11:50] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [11:51] HEHE. *whistle* [11:51] fred: probably not, i'm just thinking out loud. [11:52] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.7) joined ##slackware. [11:52] skoolfobia (i=skoolfob@200-171-35-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:52] but note that i stated a few different other things. like the fact that unix was already a standard/specification. [11:52] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: Connection timed out [11:52] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Okay. So, do you think reactos also shouldn't exist? [11:53] peerless (n=deepak@122.165.48.88) joined ##slackware. [11:54] fred: i went away for 30 minutes because i knew the conversation was going to end up here [11:54] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [11:54] it's not about existing or not existing. everything has it's place. like i said, it is about perception. when people think of "native linux ports", they're not thinking of "linux binaries" [11:55] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] they're thinking of using the api's and system calls that have become accepted in the community through years of peer-review and incremental improvements. [11:55] I'd suspect they were thinking of using the libraries that are natively available on linux. [11:56] okie, so I shouldn't make a new library for linux, because no-one should use it, because it's not become accepted in the community through peer review? [11:56] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.71) left irc: "BitchX: no additives or preservatives" [11:56] if you accept d3d as a core linux api, then why not dsound, why not all the other dx libs? then why not mfc and so on? [11:56] if they are good, why shouldnt you? [11:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] heh, about this 'core' thing... [11:57] Please define it in a way that makes sense :p [11:57] thats what she said [11:58] I can mount samba shares without using wine, does that mean that samba is 'core' linux? [11:58] fred: you're trying to attack each argument one by one, but that method of debating doesn't take into account the whole picture. for example you provided you making a new library for linux as an example. [11:59] The point of these one-by-one attacks is that I've not seen a consistent overall argument come out of you except for vague notions of 'core' that don't make sense. [11:59] where as we are talking about an api that is controlled by microsoft here. not some community-origin api. [11:59] like smb? [11:59] really? smb? i figured you'd name qt. heh [12:00] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: No route to host [12:00] since qt is a more obvious comparison to what i just said. [12:00] (and like the original unix standard - which is /not/ commmuinty-origin) [12:00] smb would be a microsoft system :p [12:00] i'm not consistent because i guess i've been caught off guard. promotion of microsoft APIs isn't exactly something i expected here. [12:01] chattr (n=chattr@062016133143.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [12:01] AzalynX, this is not #gcu, people are open-minded :) [12:01] normally people just understand the idea you're trying to convey, even with "vague notions" [12:01] AzalynX: I'm not promoting them. I'm just saying I don't see the difference between making it available under the name libd3d or under the name libwine. [12:02] I understand the idea, I just think it's a flawed idea. [12:02] (#gcu is actually a nice channel which is open-minded, the problem is a single person who is moderator...) [12:02] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] Camarade_Tux: ams? [12:02] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] fred, ams ? [12:03] never mind, nickname of someone. [12:03] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] fred, not ams anyway [12:04] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:04] fred: I think the community should decide what APIs should be used for gaming on Linux, and I don't think our library APIs should be controlled by a corporation like Microsoft. It's different when it's Wine because this is their stated goal as a project, and their efforts are essentially sandboxed in a way. [12:05] AzalynX: i think you should decide what you think first. :P [12:05] I believe in peer-review, and believe that we can make better software with open source concepts than they make, but if they control our APIs, we are just following, not leading. [12:05] Ruthven (n=mbutler@129.244.244.159) joined ##slackware. [12:05] AzalynX: Okay, I'm going to stop arguing, as I don't think you have a consistent viewpoint, given you're using a clone of a non-communitys standard [12:05] spook: I am. my last two lines are an attempt to summarize the issue. [12:05] AzalynX: gg. [12:05] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.119.165) joined ##slackware. [12:06] I don't see stated goals as being relevant to the naming [12:06] fred: well, the last two lines were consistent. [12:06] the bit about our library APIs being controlled isn't. [12:06] how so? [12:07] so you're still only arguing about the naming? [12:07] the standard C library that you are using right now is not based off a community-driving API [12:07] it is based off a standard defined by large corporations, without real community involvment [12:07] they happened to publish it. [12:08] anyway, I've spent too much time talking about this, and should concentrate more on work [12:08] *goes* [12:09] oops, brainfail [12:09] seems to me there is a big difference between an open ecma/iso/ieee/ietf standard and "microsoft's way or the highway" [12:09] s/C library/every posix thing/ [12:09] Like .docx and friends? :p [12:09] peerless (n=deepak@122.165.48.88) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:10] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] Action: fred really goes [12:10] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] depends. docx is not opposed in terms of the open standard itself, it's opposed because of microsoft's track record with standards, y'know, the whole thing where they don't follow them? they instead make a bunch of proprietary undocumented extensions that break consistency with the original. [12:11] like they did with the web. [12:11] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: "cya !" [12:11] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [12:12] if microsoft was reputable as a company that supported open standards, i think people wouldn't have had a problem accepting their solution as easily as people accepted oasis' solution. in the end, reputation is a big part of it. 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[12:18] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] OwNer_[TanDaMaNG (n=hayander@200-146-202-070.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:18] OwNeR (n=hayander@200-146-202-070.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [12:19] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:20] spook: It was already stopped for 6-7 minutes before you made your comment. Nice of you to try and start trouble again though. [12:20] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:21] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.114) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [12:22] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:22] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [12:23] plipp (n=cam@m90-130-205-119.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [12:24] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] mth- (i=1000@190-95-85-116.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [12:30] AzalynX: no really, you win, no need to continue [12:31] AzalynX: seriously, stop now. [12:31] spiral_architect: the time delay is important [12:31] I didn't do anything... :| [12:31] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:31] spook, yep, it increases the suspense [12:32] spiral_architect: no it just pisses him off more [12:32] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] oh well, not my purpose. I was just joking [12:33] spook: so you're admitting to trolling? [12:33] AzalynX: no you've convinced me that microsoft is awesome. [12:33] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@83.30.150.112) joined ##slackware. [12:34] ok? [12:34] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] http://ratonland.org/img/articles/bunny-pancake.gif [12:34] AzalynX: wasnt that your point? [12:35] was it? i don't really care anymore. [12:36] heh, we used to have that picture for 404 pages at uwcs.co.uk [12:36] hey, we still do [12:36] tgz_ (n=tgz@genesis.quasared.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:36] tgz_ (n=tgz@genesis.quasared.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] i think my point had something to do with how we should build a ray-canon on the moon that will turn the entire earth's population into anime catgirls. [12:40] anime catgirls \o/ [12:41] AzalynX: No, it wasn't. [12:41] Otherwise I'd have agreed. [12:41] erm just the female population please [12:41] it has to be everyone. [12:42] Action: BP{k} is with dive on this one. [12:42] dive, hmmm, right ;p [12:42] otherwise there can't be a cuddle party with 6 billion catgirls. [12:42] I am sure we'll survive ;) [12:42] yeah [12:42] we can turn lesbian after all [12:43] you first [12:43] BP{k}, dive: I'm sure that's what the people who didn't survive said right before they stopped surviving. [12:44] [12:44] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@83.30.150.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] Solixa (n=Hypersta@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:46] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Action: High_Priest rebooting [12:46] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-90.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] High_Priest: dont come back! [12:47] josemanuel (n=josemanu@49.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Anakin, did you fix your cd mounting problem yet? [12:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e7ae60b9dee1a47b) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-18-185.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:50] evo_ (n=evo@p4FD4D31B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-74adfcfe9731daf8) joined ##slackware. [12:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:52] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-118-3.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] OwNer_[TanDaMaNG (n=hayander@200-146-202-070.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [12:55] guys, does libflac come in slackware or available in sbo? [12:55] well.. [12:55] does there being a flac package answer your question? :) [12:56] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] gah, I did a locate libflac and found nothing [12:56] thanks [12:56] hehe no problem [12:56] Kaapa: next time try: grep flac /var/log/packages/* [12:56] that'll get you a lot further than a locate in most cases ;) [12:57] mbhayes: yeah, I know, I asked faster than I shuold [12:57] mth- (i=1000@190-95-85-116.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Action: spook stabs Kaapa with a frozen eel [12:59] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4D93E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] liberion (n=liberion@24.100.105.206) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] Hey! [13:00] Don't freeze me bro [13:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] Action: dive wonders what eelriver would taste like jellied [13:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Like jellied 49 year old dick [13:00] dive: suprisingly much like chicken. ;) [13:01] heh [13:02] Action: spook freezes some more eels [13:03] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-7-43.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:04] plipp (n=cam@m90-130-205-119.cust.tele2.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:04] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:08] any suggestions what i can use for rotating the screen of .mov files? [13:08] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Connection timed out [13:09] lw0x15: mplayer/mencoder? [13:13] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:14] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.22.177) joined ##slackware. [13:15] ill try mplayer [13:15] slackbuilding it right now [13:15] :] [13:16] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [13:18] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:22] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [13:22] <[cipher]> howdy [13:22] mth- (i=1000@190-95-85-116.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:22] morning [13:23] hey guys [13:23] <[cipher]> evening hologram :) [13:23] could someone build the xf86-intel-video package for me? [13:23] <[cipher]> anyone know how to dual freebsd 7.1+slackware 12.2 [13:23] please [13:24] mth-: wow this is deja vu .. you were asking same question yesterday :( [13:24] mth-: whats the problem you are having when you try to compile? [13:25] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=12.2/xf86-video-intel-2.4.3-i486-2 [13:25] Why build it.. when its already in 12.2? [13:25] theres your answer :) [13:26] <[cipher]> anyone know how to dual freebsd 7.1+slackware 12.2 [13:26] mbhayes, what's the difference between the package that comes with slack 12.2? [13:26] mth-: *le sigh* [13:27] mth-: that *IS* the package that comes with 12.2 [13:27] [cipher]: google? ;) [13:27] <[cipher]> i know, but did't work with me [13:27] hoahoahohao [13:27] a [13:27] [cipher]: http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=how+to+dualboot+freebsd+7.1%2Bslackware+12.2&meta=&btnG=Google+Search [13:27] WFM. [13:27] <[cipher]> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=281 [13:27] <[cipher]> http://www.besttechie.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15281 [13:27] well i builded libdrm [13:28] mth-: man installpkg [13:28] <[cipher]> BP{k}, thanks, but my fingers still working :D [13:28] i have some problems with dependances [13:29] <[cipher]> i tried the typical way in lilo, but did't works [13:29] [cipher]: then your question doesn't make sense. [13:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn177.91-127-173.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] yes, you will need to update all proto stuff, libdrm, then rebuild mesa, xorg-server. then, you will have to rebuild all of your input and video drivers for the API change [13:29] <[cipher]> i edited /etc/lilo.conf and i did lilo [13:29] <[cipher]> but ended with error :S [13:29] :( [13:29] [cipher]: and that error is? [13:29] <[cipher]> ok, just a min [13:30] thrice`, is there a hope of a xorg 7.4 release for slackware soon? [13:30] 3 hours 30 minutes till my girl gets home [13:30] <[cipher]> Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed Added FreeBSD * [13:30] <[cipher]> Syntax error at or above line 58 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' [13:30] [cipher]: are we supposed to guess what line 58 is? [13:30] [cipher]: pastebin your lilo.conf at rafb.net || pastebin.com [13:30] Dadsy (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:30] <[cipher]> i looked to that line [13:30] mth-: your guess is as good as mine [13:31] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [13:31] <[cipher]> ok [13:31] mth-: there is always hope. [13:31] although soon might be defined as "between now and 2038" ;) [13:32] hahahah [13:32] :( [13:32] <[cipher]> http://rafb.net/p/z09EWG56.html [13:32] i have a bug with my i915 and the current drivers and mesa :( [13:32] i915 is known to have problems [13:32] <[cipher]> table = /dev/sda [13:33] <[cipher]> that's where the error, BP{k} [13:33] no. [13:33] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:33] spook, :( you know that bug? system randomly freezes when using the intel or i810 driver [13:33] mth-: i know OF that bug [13:33] [cipher]: I am *prettydammsure* (tm) that the rror is actuall in line 55. [13:34] s/rror/error/ [13:34] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:34] Action: spook hands BP{k} a frozen eel [13:34] you know some solution? [13:34] BP{k}: to err is human [13:34] <[cipher]> aha, you are right :) [13:34] spook: to purr is feline. ;) [13:34] mth-: no. [13:34] [cipher]: of course I am. [13:34] :( [13:34] <[cipher]> wait a min BP{k}, brb [13:34] BP{k}: i make my gf purr sometimes [13:36] [cipher]: I am also guessing that line 56 should not be there. If you actually *look* at those two links you posted yourself, and compare the difference between that and your lilo.conf .. I am sure you getting a whole lot further. [13:36] Action: spook hears crickets chirp [13:36] spook: you mean make her woof ? :| [13:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:37] :( [13:37] this bug is making me insane!! [13:38] thrice`: no i made her purr. (no shes not a furry) [13:38] the joke was "because she's a dog" :> [13:38] thrice`: i got that but chose to ignore it, lest you die by frozen eel [13:39] someone can help me? [13:39] no. [13:39] I don't think anyone can [13:39] why thrice? [13:39] please fill out a help request and mail it. our committee will review it and we'll get back to in 6 to 8 weeks [13:39] mth-: because the slackware high council doesnt like you. [13:39] frustration, lack of patience, etc [13:39] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [13:40] mth-: really, updating to xorg 7.4 is not an easy task. especially one that can be easily explained. [13:40] hap [13:40] i understand [13:40] :( [13:40] as mentioned, you will need to rebuild some supporting libs, libdrm, mesa, xorg-server, and then rebuild all of your input and video drivers [13:41] then sacrifice a virgin goat [13:41] then defile a male elephant [13:41] where can i find mplayer? :| [13:41] slackbuilds? [13:41] i mean in my system lol i used locate mplayer [13:41] but it just gave me some other files [13:41] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-206331.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:41] then pray to the god(s) [13:42] But besure to video tape it. [13:42] lw0x15: which mplayer [13:42] lw0x15: grep mplayer /var/log/packages/ [13:42] that won't work. [13:42] grep bin/mplayer /var/log/packages/* [13:42] yeah [13:42] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196804.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:42] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [13:42] ding ding ding. extra bonuspoints for thrice` [13:43] thrice`: doesnt show anything :| [13:43] did you install a slackware package? [13:43] from slackbuilds [13:43] lw0x15, mplayer is in slacky.it [13:43] how is that an answer to my question? O.o [13:43] if you build the pacakge, but dont install it, that will cause a problme [13:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:44] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-206-90.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [13:44] its installed [13:44] and i just found it [13:44] thanks anyway [13:44] ... [13:44] oh no i didnt [13:44] not a real folder :( [13:45] after you built the package, did you install it? [13:45] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:45] yes [13:45] Action: spook stabs lw0x15 with a frozen eel [13:45] what does ls /var/log/packages/MPlayer* show ? [13:46] lw0x15: ls -l /var/log/packages/mplayer* [13:46] sorry, lowercase [13:46] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/mplayer*: No such file or directory [13:46] lw0x15: ls -l /tmp/mplayer* ? [13:46] you do not have mplayer installed. [13:47] Pfff [13:47] mythtv has compile bugs. [13:47] ccfreak2k: compiled fine for me [13:47] Did you install the fmpeg slackbuild? [13:47] ffmpeg. [13:48] ccfreak2k: yup [13:48] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] <[cipher]> BP{k}, thanks ^^ [13:54] <[cipher]> will reboot now, wish me the best luck :) [13:55] good luck :) [13:55] $20 he doesnt come back because lilo breaks [13:55] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.22.177) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.89) left irc: "Leaving." [13:56] lol [13:56] BP{k}: /tmp/mplayer-svn_20081215-i486-1_SBo.tgz [13:56] lw0x15: installpkg /tmp/mpla... [13:56] lw0x15: installpkg(8) [13:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:57] whats the (8) for [13:57] spook: already done that [13:57] section of the manpage. [13:57] lw0x15: when we asked if you had actually installed the package, your answer should have been "no" [13:57] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.89) joined ##slackware. [13:58] when i type in mplayer [13:58] i get [13:58] MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.2.4 (C) 2000-2008 MPlayer Team [13:58] MPlayer dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.2.4 (C) 2000-2008 MPlayer Team [13:59] so do i [13:59] what does "ls /var/log/packages/MPlayer*" show ? [13:59] lw0x15: just what is the issue ? are you giving it a video file to play or just typing "mplayer" ? [13:59] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/MPlayer*: No such file or directory [14:00] i need to find where it is so i can put mencoder in [14:00] then you must have installed it outside of a slackware package (eg, using make install) [14:00] type "which mplayer" without the quotes as suggested earlier [14:01] lw0x15, why don't you grab the latest svn and compile yourself? it's not that hard actually.. and you'll get mencoder also [14:01] should i should install it again [14:02] when its working [14:02] lw0x15, maybe you already have mencoder? "which mencoder" [14:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:04] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-192218.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-61-68-210-178.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: [14:05] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [14:07] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:10] lol, lenny released with 2.6.26 [14:11] iirc I don't have sound with 2.6.26 [14:11] spook: Hilarious. [14:11] but I can't remember, I upgraded so long ago... [14:12] awesome the sound doesnt work when i rotated the screen [14:12] :( [14:13] jkwood: its more an observation [14:14] spook: No, I actually think it's hilarious. =) [14:14] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. 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[14:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] mth- (i=1000@190-95-85-116.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] that it took them 22 months to polish it? [14:20] plipp (n=cam@m83-188-206-90.cust.tele2.se) left irc: "Leaving." [14:21] lw0x15, with such strange bugs, are you sure you're not using ubuntu ? :D [14:21] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] mth- (i=1000@190-95-83-128.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:22] They spend all this time working towards a new release, with all these people involved, and in the end they ship a (literally) 7 month old kernel. [14:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] tea4me (n=tea4me@DS-PROCTOR.WPI.EDU) joined ##slackware. [14:30] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] yeah well [14:31] they only have 50+ times more developers than us [14:31] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.67.229) joined ##slackware. [14:34] they also have about 50x more packages in the standard distribution... [14:35] 23000 packages, versus slackware's ~1000 [14:35] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cda112.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:35] not to mention multiple platforms [14:35] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:35] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] I know two maintainers for ocaml packages, there are maintainers for everything [14:36] they took out m23k [14:37] and honestly, they waste a lot of times because of debian's complexity [14:37] who uses arm or mips anyway? :P [14:37] there's not even a slack port for arm ! [14:37] :D (I know there's one ;) [14:37] ) [14:37] spook : x86_64 and ppc are a bit more common [14:38] ananke, actually not, arm is more common [14:39] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.201.230) joined ##slackware. [14:39] (because of embedded) [14:39] Camarade_Tux: when you talk about debian's complexity, you also have to consider the following: at debian the develpers take care of a lot of things the local admin has to do with slackware [14:40] ananke: ppc? isnt that a weapon from the battletech universe? [14:40] :P [14:41] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] chattr, I was referring to their patches actually, how they are stored in a single file, that becomes absolutely unreadable (I once wanted to find one thing and had to give up) [14:42] patching sucks [14:42] why? [14:42] Camarade_Tux : we're talking about debian here, and its users :) [14:43] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [14:43] they have a lot of build patches which slackware has too (they have more because of the higher number of architectures) [14:43] because a) you have to understand the code you're patching b) you have to document your patch well c) etc... [14:44] ananke, what for ? cpu architecture ? I think my point still stands [14:45] Camarade_Tux : i think you missed my original point, which wasn't to say that arm is not popular, but that debian is released for other common platforms [14:45] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [14:46] ananke, seems I've missed it ;) [14:47] Action: spook stabs Camarade_Tux with a frozen eel [14:47] Bopinhu (i=0@bl11-182-206.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:47] spook, but whyyyyyyyyyarghjrkegjbfnho [14:47] Action: spook loads the frozen eel cannon [14:48] jrd (n=jrd@ip68-3-48-188.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:05] hi all, I installed slackware 5 minutes ago, changed inittab to boot right to X to 4.runlevel, but there is such a KDE login gui where I must fistly pick Xfce to log in and then enter credentials, is there any way to turn it off and boot right to Xfce ? [15:05] kdm can be configured to autologin [15:06] also, use xwmconfig to set the default wm [15:06] Action: spook fires the eel cannon at chuy, and reloads it [15:06] i should change the wm on here and see if he notices:)) [15:06] On the same toekn: how do I get KDM to respect xinitrc, or at least something similar to xinitrc? [15:07] nix_chix0r: morning. :) [15:07] ccfreak2k: good luck [15:07] Good luck indeed. [15:08] Nick change: b00jit -> boojit [15:08] whats the LD of paracetamol? [15:08] Without KDM, I don't get autologin. [15:08] I don't know why there is so much of the KDE stuff, a didn't install anything except of KDE base libraries, and there is at least 10 user apps and I may even have kde desktop [15:08] LD 50 or LD 100 [15:10] both [15:12] uva (i=bono@118-168-239-78.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol_toxicity#Toxicity [15:13] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] slackerpete (n=pete@host86-130-123-144.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:13] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@99-191-35-189.lightspeed.snfcca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [15:14] mth- (i=1000@190-95-83-128.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:14] ccfreak2k: thats why i asked. it isnt helpful [15:15] oh [15:15] It is rather complex. [15:15] wrong article [15:15] sorry [15:15] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] tea4me (n=tea4me@DS-PROCTOR.WPI.EDU) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [15:16] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] and 2. problem I have is that I had to back up some data from SuSe on dvds (mostly file names with spaces) and here I'm getting input/output error when copying [15:17] Philadelphia (i=bono@118-160-161-82.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:18] ... [15:18] rename them [15:18] or enclose them in " " [15:18] exactly [15:19] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "arghh" [15:19] it is 5 - 7 thousands files on 4 dvds [15:20] hey,does anyone know a tool for generating reports regarding detailed TCP/UDP port traffic for specific hosts in a LAN ? the tool has to run on a linux router [15:20] what possessed you to backup to dvd? [15:20] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [15:20] reallove: a cool tool called... [15:21] spook, laziness [15:21] called....that's what I'm looking for :) [15:21] adcfw [15:21] adcfw-log [15:21] chuy: that is not laziness [15:22] that takes effort and is stupid [15:22] spook :ty,will take a look... [15:22] reallove: its a perl script [15:23] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn177.91-127-173.t-com.sk) left irc: "leaving" [15:23] spook, I couldn't get any harddrive [15:23] looking into it right now [15:24] chuy: ........ [15:24] spook, what does that mean ? [15:24] slackerpete (n=pete@host86-130-123-144.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:25] Action: spook fires the frozen eel cannon at chuy [15:26] I didn't know slackware would have problems with this [15:26] it doesnt. its you [15:27] mmmm,I don't think adcfw-log does what I need .. I see it only parses log files from /var/log ,right ? [15:27] yes [15:27] after you use -j log in iptables [15:31] 17th of feb [15:31] spook, I'll write some script, if you know some better idea...I'm listening [15:31] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [15:32] chuy: what are you wanting to do? copy files of the cd? [15:32] aliase (n=aliase@206-248-156-3.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [15:32] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] spook, from dvd to ext3 drive [15:33] named mostly like: "I am from windows.*" [15:34] rsync? [15:37] spook, ee, that's the same [15:40] bsdx (n=bsd@210.211.128.179) joined ##slackware. [15:41] chuy: cp /path/to/dvd/* /path/to/where/you/want/them ? [15:41] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:42] chuy: use "\ " for spaces [15:42] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-5.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] someone can build mesa 7.2 package for slack12.2 ? [15:49] no. [15:49] do it yourself [15:50] :( [15:52] mth- (i=1000@190-95-83-128.bk21-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] come on, mth-, you can do it [15:52] no, he can't [15:52] Ruthven (n=mbutler@129.244.244.159) left irc: "Leaving." [15:52] mbhayes, mbhayes spook: cd tool doesn't have anything to remove white spaces, and rsync has --protect-args but that could be used only if you are copying concrete file, not thousands of files with white spaces [15:52] ........... [15:54] spook, wtf ? write what you thing might be more useful than series of dots [15:55] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:55] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [15:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] chuy: can you give me an example of something you're trying to copy? [15:56] I'm pretty sure specificy * as your file name will catch anything and everything... [15:56] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:56] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150026234.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:57] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [15:57] mbhayes, my problem is copying thousands of files in windows naming style "i am windows file.txt" from dvd, input/output error [15:58] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:58] .... [15:58] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:58] mbhayes, I do it right, no worries [15:58] hi all :) [15:58] chuy: you keep saying that and keep ignoring people trying to help you [15:59] we won't need to worry if you just paste the command you use and a sample file name [15:59] spook, I don'y really now what you wanna hear [15:59] chuy: Not sure what you mean by that, but I'd like to know what it is that you did [15:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] chuy: just wanna know for my own information [16:00] chuy: and specifying: cp -r /path/to/dvd/* /path/to/where/you/want/them/copied IS right and will catch those spaces [16:01] I know.. I do it here at work [16:01] mbhayes, thats exactly how I'm copying it [16:01] good [16:01] I suggested that to you about 20mins ago ;) [16:01] I think [16:02] mbhayes, yes but it throws input/output error [16:02] because of white spaces in the names [16:03] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-123-144.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] cp -r /path/to/dvd/* /path/to/where/you/want/them/copied.. you said you were doing this, but it was throwing errors.. but you're using that to do the copy? [16:03] what command did you use specifically? [16:03] spiral_arch (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) joined ##slackware. [16:03] bsdx (n=bsd@210.211.128.179) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] mbhayes, omg exactly that one :) [16:04] chuy: pls copy/paste it here [16:04] and the error message, too, please [16:05] bsdx (n=bsd@210.211.128.179) joined ##slackware. [16:06] chuy: you're saying that you used that exact command and its working now? [16:06] cp -R /media/Data\ disc\ \(13\ Feb\ 09\)/* /home/user/data/ [16:06] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] heh [16:06] escaping the spaces in the directory name definitely helps [16:06] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] mbhayes, no, it was the first command I used [16:07] cp: reading 'my file with white spaces.txt': input/output error [16:07] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-192218.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [16:08] chuy, your drive/media is fscked up [16:08] chuy: is "my file with spaces.txt" the full name of that file? [16:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] on suse and windows there is no problem with that [16:08] hmmm, strange [16:09] dmesg | tail ? [16:09] any usefull info? [16:09] chuy: I bet suse aliases cp off to cp [16:10] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] High_Priest, Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 2072111 [16:11] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-5.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:11] hda: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } [16:11] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-71.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] that's it :) [16:11] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [16:11] told ya.. [16:12] last time I used dvd [16:14] ok, thank you, I was convinced it was the file naming problem [16:16] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:37] g'day [16:38] nullboy: HT slows down when the working set size exceedes the L2 cache size [16:38] nullboy, probably no point [16:39] that's what i figured, it will probably just bog down [16:39] HT is also only useful when different "regions" of the processor are used which is almost certainly not the case for *one* algorithm [16:39] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] nullboy: consult Ulric Drepper's nothing short of excelent writing "What every programmer should know about memory" [16:39] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rHA" [16:40] Camarade_Tux: that is not entirely correct [16:40] boy do i ever need a real dual core or dual cpu board for my home server [16:40] you can try 7zip though, it has a bzip2 implementation which is probably faster than bzip2's [16:40] pirving (n=jdhog@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:40] nullboy, "ever", probably but currently, probably not [16:40] Camarade_Tux: are you sure it is not just copy/paste work?.. 7zip being the same license and all [16:41] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.87.101) joined ##slackware. [16:41] 7z can use more than 2 threads when the compression algorithm is bzip2 iirc [16:41] (if it's lzma it's limited to 2) [16:41] rworkman: halrv-2 is out, with a setup.py and now depending on having a proper hal.conf [16:41] so I guess it's a different one [16:41] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-7-43.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-7-43.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:43] noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! [16:43] ? [16:43] what was my quit message ? [16:43] * Camarade_Tux has quit (Remote closed the connection) [16:43] no exit msg [16:43] I zapped my X :'( [16:44] my slackware also today locked X [16:44] and had opened gvim instances three days ago :'( [16:44] i had to reboot [16:44] first time [16:44] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] I just started switching desktop (Ctrl+Alt) and then used backspace :'( [16:44] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [16:45] slackytude (i=1009@g228076182.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:45] lol [16:45] josemanuel (n=josemanu@49.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:45] thats awesome. [16:45] heh. [16:45] "firefox is already running, but is not responding." blablabla [16:45] ='( [16:45] how come it survived ? [16:45] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [16:45] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [16:45] thats weird. [16:45] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] i'm really starting to dislike firefox [16:46] considering I have two instances of firefox-bin, I guess it was referring to an earlier one, already borked before I zapped [16:46] nullboy, I've always at least disliked firefox ;p [16:47] what do you dislike ? (I'm curious) [16:47] Camarade_Tux: after ctrl-alt-backspacing myself i came to adore the power of vim's session managment - :mksession is your friend [16:47] opera ftw [16:48] slackytude: aaah yes opera :D [16:48] the other day it threw an error about a certificate on my router and wouldn't allow me to manually override which created a DoS that prevented me from using FF to access my router. today, on a different router FF takes 10 minutes to load the summary page but Konq works just fine [16:48] chattr, could be handy, I had not edited the files for several days [16:49] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:49] i was forced to manually go into my FF certs, servers, and authorities and delete all my user exceptions manually since FF's cert error page didn't provide and form of override button [16:50] after these two incidents, along with the same crap you described and other general lameness, i'm starting to get sick of it [16:50] strange. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've had few issues with FF [16:50] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:50] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-118-3.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] anything with FOX in it is bound to suck :D [16:52] ff renders some pages in a completely unreadable manner too [16:53] samantha fox does suck, indeed [16:53] Action: slackytude was in fitness center, pushing weights [16:53] lns40: Your mom is a fox. [16:53] Im aching [16:53] http://instantrimshot.com [16:54] slackytude: you need to spend an hour or two at the local brothel. they'll take good care of your aches. [16:54] Action: slackytude nods [16:54] sound advice [16:55] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] jkwood: awesome! :D [16:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:55] goes on homepage! [16:56] 1111111111111111111111111111111111111 `,. mcx [16:56] ` [16:56] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-123-144.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:57] http://instantrimshot.com/ <----- quite a head-scratcher :) [16:57] ok.. lets see if .29-rc5 is stable [16:58] jkwood, lol ^^ [17:00] antler: that's what the wife is for :) [17:00] Action: macavity scratches head [17:00] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] macavity: /me scratches head at Headset Hotties link, not rimshot button [17:01] likewise [17:02] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] i think i need to take this laptop appart and "shave" it [17:04] vivid image [17:04] 98C for a Core2 Duo is a little over the safe reccomendations, isnt it? [17:05] macavity: 98 celcius ? [17:05] yes [17:05] lol [17:05] when it was new i couldn't get it above 65 [17:06] alisonken1home1: on a literal interpretation, that would be quite painful. on a figurative interpretation, that would be painful as well. either way, a wive is painful. [17:06] that's way to much [17:07] i took my laptop apart and fixed the HS with arctic silver [17:07] 100% CPU load, 2700 interupts/s and about 1000 context switches/s continously while compiling kernel/mesa/xorg-server [17:07] make a big difference [17:08] ok.. now we are up to 99C stable :P [17:08] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [17:08] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-71.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:09] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-167.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] macavity: you need a k&n filter with cold air induction [17:09] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [17:09] i just need to stop taking the laptop to bed [17:09] ... or open it and vacum it regularly [17:10] antler: dood i had one of those FIPKs on my old ford ranger...made an awesome noise [17:10] macavity: you sleep with your laptop too !? :D [17:10] it's an Asus ASMobile, so it is designed for ease of maintanence [17:10] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [17:11] lns40: no.. but i do like to cudle with it ;-) [17:11] nullboy: heh a few extra horses too. i had that set up in my old rx7 [17:11] holy shist 99c is the cpu temp? *gulp* [17:12] my buddy produced 105C on his Prescott [17:12] it didnt care... just kept grinding [17:12] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [17:13] though, throtling has set in on mine by now for sure [17:13] oh! and i am starting to see the first 100C spikes! :P [17:14] if i time out in a minute, you know what happened [17:14] headline: man gets 3rd degree burns on irc [17:15] LOL [17:15] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] ah, i forgot to let it time the kernel build [17:15] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] this is a Pat V style build of 2.6.29-rc5 [17:16] .. those generally take a little time :P [17:17] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] i think i will stick with -j2 untill i get theese dust bunnies cleaned out [17:22] http://imagebin.org/38577 here is a quick lession in HTML [17:23] macavity: what cpu? ;] [17:23] acidchild: T7400 [17:23] intel? amd? [17:23] Action: NyteOwl finally ordering his new phones [17:23] Pig_Pen: nice, uhm, "assets" :P [17:23] Intel [17:24] iknew you would like it [17:24] acidchild: Intel Core2 Duo 2.16GHz, 667MHz FSB, 4MB L2 cache [17:24] little jet engine there nice [17:24] its two years old [17:24] i like my cpu has low cache or summat [17:24] so? [17:25] i hate these arse holes who upgrade there cpu all teh time [17:25] 'zomfg i got this awesome new cpu i use just for games?!?' [17:25] its not nearly as nice as it used to be :P [17:25] Action: NyteOwl laptop is 9 years old heh [17:25] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ [17:25] cache size : 512 KB [17:25] works great :-) [17:26] i like big caches.. *especially* in FSB starved laptops [17:26] i like computers heh [17:26] they are awesome in there own little way [17:26] are all* [17:27] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i see no awesomeness in the Cyrix processors :P [17:27] i do. [17:27] "P6 chip, triple the speed of the Pentuim" heh [17:27] that was someones design, they spent aot of time researching and developing it [17:28] its there own little logic game [17:29] figures, I get ready to order and bell's site gets as slow as molasses [17:29] haha. [17:30] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] acidchild: by that metric Windows ME was awesome too [17:30] sure why not. [17:30] :P [17:31] but as a collective they could have made a better logic game out of there time than they did. [17:31] some things just suck.. even to the people who like them :P [17:31] it was an awesome learning tool - it taught millions just how crappy M$ products coul;d be [17:31] http://pastebin.com/m1422142 [17:31] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Pig_Pen: LOL [17:33] lol [17:34] ok, back to the usual cruize temperature of 65C [17:35] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:35] its odd.. when it was brand new, that was the top.. make -j16 on the kernel would get it to 65C flat in a matter of secconds, but it would not go above, even when grinding for 3-4 straight hours [17:35] .. now it wont go below :P [17:35] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ventilation path need cleaning? [17:36] you bet [17:36] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-85-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] do you have plenty of goo under the CPU? (thermal paste) [17:36] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-85-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:37] i bet i will find a gang of over grown dust bunnies, with sawn off shot guns and knockle irons, using my 'putar as a club house :P [17:37] no, not "plenty".. just the right ammount [17:37] yeah, i heard too much is almost as bad as not having enough [17:37] that is, an evenly drawn out film, about .5mm thick [17:38] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-85-107.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] too much is worse than none (if its a quality heat sink with a good polish) [17:39] my intel dual core is running about 46C to 50C on average while not doing much, i seen it get as high as 65C when compiling source [17:39] try the torture test :P [17:39] prime95 [17:40] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [17:40] psufan (i=47e84e24@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1e2abe5d3d6987ca) joined ##slackware. [17:41] 'for i in $(seq 1000); do make clean; make -j16; done' on a kernel source with everything enabled [17:41] torture test? never done that, [17:41] hi [17:41] hi [17:41] is slackware for slackers? or is it a warning like 'no slackers you gotta compile your own kernle brother" [17:41] ban him [17:42] psufan: the default kernels work nicely for 99% [17:42] just ban all of mibbit [17:42] that's even better [17:42] Pig_Pen: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ [17:42] ah really [17:42] in the 90s i thought it was otherwise though neh [17:42] ? [17:42] psufan: it means you have to do all by yourself. [17:42] do all what [17:42] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] psufan: i has news for you... this isn't the 90s ;-) [17:42] everything. [17:42] all sorts of things? [17:43] macavity my last exposure to slackware outside of today was in 1997 [17:43] im evaluating UNIX systems for my new project [17:43] psufan: you're trying to install slackware on your kettle now? [17:43] trying to put UNIX on my BMW [17:43] or whatever your $trollexcuseofthedayis [17:44] psufan: Slackware isn't UNIX [17:44] Ah he is the car stereo fella? [17:44] psufan: ok, the kernel situation has changed.. and device autodetection likewise.. but the rest is still "configuration is something you do with a text editor, dimlit!" as always [17:44] no music, danc3, this aint no foolin around [17:44] psufan: slackware is not UNIX [17:44] i want UNIX to control my ABS [17:44] alienBOB: even worse. [17:44] psufan: huh? [17:44] Yeah [17:44] ok [17:44] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] is SLACKWARE a LINUX? [17:44] yes [17:44] it's not UNIX, however, as you stated [17:45] technically it is a GNU/Linux distribution [17:45] ah GPL [17:45] so it's like a GPL UNIX [17:45] alienBOB: not to mention his calculator, his threadmill etc etc etc [17:45] techincally, it rocks your socks off [17:45] /me smells a troll.... [17:45] naw [17:45] Ignore that guy if you please - else I see another troll war coming up [17:45] psufan: gnus not unix [17:45] Action: hackedhead hides from the storm [17:45] the calculator is on the backburner now [17:45] technically, I think I should find beer. [17:45] psufan: last time i think i asked you to look UNIX up on wikipedia.. this still stands [17:45] BP{k}, sounds like a plan [17:45] psufan: you are really presenting yourself as an ignorant dimlit [17:45] macavity i dont trust wikipedia [17:46] dimlit is adjective you cant end a sentence with that brother [17:46] i have no problem with it [17:46] a dimlit /what/ [17:46] That's a sentence fragment. [17:46] just "a dimlit".. not "a dim lit something" [17:46] psufan: dimlit dork ? [17:46] Your first "corrective" sentence was missing punctuation and capitalization. [17:47] that's alliteration; now that's something i can get behind [17:47] Action: alienBOB silently whistles "/ignore" [17:47] If you want to play the part of the "elite," you'll have to do better than this. [17:47] the troll scent is overpowering, now [17:47] Action: rworkman pets alienBOB ;-) [17:47] rworkman dont tell me how to do my thing [17:47] alienBOB: yeah you're right :] [17:47] Action: alienBOB prepares a fresh lemon for rworkman's pleasure [17:47] yeah, rworkman, don't tell him how to troll ;) [17:47] "the car is red" (ends with an adjective) [17:47] yay [17:47] Action: slackytude waits for the cluebat [17:47] red is a noun [17:47] psufan: dont talk back to rworkman untill you have seen http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k :-P [17:47] dimlit isnt [17:48] ok i get it now [17:48] asshat: noun. psufan is an asshat. [17:48] if he had said: "psu FAN is dimlit" it would be ok [17:48] but he said: "psu FAN is a dimlit" [17:48] lol [17:48] bite me fanboi :P [17:48] y... [17:49] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:49] what do monks talk about all day? [17:49] if theyre rid of worldly things [17:49] Action: rworkman goes back to lurk mode. This is like insulting five year olds. It's funny for a while, but then it starts to seem wrong. [17:49] whats there to chat about? [17:49] nothing [17:49] absolutely nothing [17:49] Action: alienBOB gently carves "/ignore" into rworkman's flesh [17:50] how about grammar and punctuation? [17:50] the amazing stimulous package? [17:50] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [17:50] who cares? [17:50] danc3: naaa.. been there, done that [17:50] heh [17:50] s/stimulous/spendulous [17:50] Action: macavity spraypaints "a dimlit is a dimlit is a dimlit" on the wall [17:50] danc3 chinese doesnt have punctuation brother [17:50] psufan: this isn't chinese [17:50] macavity dont be daft [17:50] Action: jkwood wonders when alienBOB started enjoying lemon parties and rworkman became emo [17:51] danc3 monks are chinese [17:51] s/dimlit/dimwit [17:51] LOL!!! [17:51] psufan: not all of them [17:51] jkwood++ [17:51] jkwood: I only enjoy applying lemons, I don't care about the party part [17:51] danc3 you're misinterpreting me [17:51] when i say monk i mean a CHINESE [17:51] psufan: whatever [17:51] yea whatever u [17:51] run along and troll somewhere else [17:52] so [17:52] the problem im having with my treadmill [17:52] Good thinking danc3, now just stop interacting with him [17:52] is i cant find an OSS package that will track the incline level [17:53] alienBOB: Ah, I got it now. [17:53] how the hell do you control incline levels with SLACKWARE [17:53] psufan, you need gentoo for that [17:53] or UBUNTU? [17:53] yeah [17:53] psufan, best to ask in #gentoo [17:53] okay [17:53] thanks brother [17:54] thans a lot [17:54] psufan: what you really want is mandriva [17:54] no seriously, gentoo would make a killer UNIX for the ABS on a BMW [17:54] Debian will run on anything. [17:54] nah stop going on tangents macavity [17:54] ture [17:54] lets get serious here [17:54] true [17:54] im talkin TREADMILLS TREADMILLS TREADMILLS [17:54] psufan: no need to shout [17:54] but gentoo can be convinced to run on everything too [17:54] didn't the ops already tell you to stop treadmilling here last week? [17:54] alienBOB: UNIX UNIX UNIX [17:55] big mistake dude [17:55] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:55] psufan: ASSHAT ASSHAT ASSHAT [17:55] and your last mistake [17:55] orbital nukes! [17:55] BYE BYE BYE [17:55] o/ [17:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*i=47e84e*@*.com/x-1e2abe5d3d6987ca' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [17:55] psufan kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: I can not bear shouting [17:55] \o/ [17:55] begone! [17:55] YAY [17:55] i TOLD him to RTFG :P [17:56] *sigh* and my popcorn is finally ready and the show left =P [17:56] I like it when they explode at the end. [17:56] [ in bed ] :P [17:56] slackytude: i can haz some whil stillz warm and goodz? [17:56] "i like the part where he stopped .. talking" [17:56] BP{k}, :D [17:57] alienBOB: <3 [17:57] BP{k}: one track mind. i like it. :D [17:57] I will have to use slackboy for a nick-based ban... with a new mibbit connection he will be back in no time [17:57] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:57] antler: thank you. :) [17:57] O he's talking to me in PM now ... [17:57] lulz. [17:57] that dude comes in here all the time just to ask baiting questions [17:58] alienBOB: ask Stx to edit the firewall script and filter his MAC? :P [17:58] psufan> my client accidentally closed your window; can you resend please? thanks [17:58] Hehe [17:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] I *think* that's the guy who used to have the "John_Nelson@blah" hostmask. [17:58] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] lol [18:00] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [18:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.200) left irc: [18:00] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.87.101) left irc: "Quit" [18:01] slac (n=slac@unaffiliated/slac) joined ##slackware. [18:01] slac (n=slac@unaffiliated/slac) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:02] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [18:02] LOL [18:02] try typing "wtf is pig" :P [18:02] spiral_arch (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] ..in a shell [18:03] wtf is linux [18:03] tf is pig [18:03] a kernel [18:03] O_o [18:04] not a shell [18:04] Action: nooper loves type 'man pig' [18:04] macavity, lolz, I think I understand 'man pig' ;p [18:05] yeah, I can read it :p [18:05] someone ought to expand a little on /usr/share/misc/acronyms [18:06] eg, common technology accronyms would be nice [18:06] yeah, it doesn't know PEBKAC :'( [18:06] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.141) joined ##slackware. [18:08] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:09] aaaaauuuuch! [18:09] Xeus_22 (n=Xeus_22@201-212-125-215.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:09] hi [18:09] i chopped chillies for dinner... and i washed my hands thoroughly afterwards.. but now i scrached my eye.. ouch ouch ouch [18:10] 'ello :-) [18:10] pour milk onto your eye ? :p [18:10] i dont speach english... one question... i need install plasmoids in kde4 slackware current and fail cmake... need install sources of kde4? [18:11] Xeus_22: no [18:11] macavity, i need install packages?? [18:11] Xeus_22: slackware always ships the header files along with the packages (other distributions need the -devel packages, but no need on slackware) [18:12] ok [18:12] Xeus_22: nope, that is not the problem. Problem is elsewhere. [18:12] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:12] Xeus_22: use http://pastbin.ca to show me the error? [18:13] Xeus_22: the last 20 lines [18:13] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_plugin". [18:13] :S [18:15] http://pastebin.ca/1339456 [18:15] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:16] hey guys, this looks like a ligit error [18:16] legit* [18:16] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:17] Xeus_22: did you take the sources for that plasmoid out of kde trunk (SVN)? [18:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4383377.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] alienBOB, no... i get the plasmoid for kde-look.org. i get the sources, no svn [18:18] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] juice (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Xeus_22: it looks as if the developer was building it from a kde source tree [18:19] Your CMakeLists.txt is missing KDE4 macro definitions [18:19] :S [18:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] If fred were here, he'd know what to do [18:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:21] can't i compile this plasmoid ??? :'( [18:21] /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake [18:21] that's where it is on debian [18:22] or need modified definitions macro? [18:22] Xeus_22: find / -name FindKDE4Internal.cmake [18:22] do you have the file on your system? [18:22] Action: BP{k} should install kde4 on his. [18:23] mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.37) joined ##slackware. [18:24] one moment please.... searching.... [18:26] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:28] /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake [18:28] :) [18:29] cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 -DCMAKE_MODULE_PATH=/usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake . [18:30] Last comment in http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Plasma+WiFi?content=79476 makes me think that plasma-wifi will not build with KDE4.2 at all [18:30] wait [18:30] somethings odd there [18:30] that is the default location [18:30] unless there is both a cmake/modules/ and a cmake/Modules [18:30] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] uh, oh.. i got conf00sed about the similarity of the two different places [18:31] disregard last 5 messages from me [18:33] juice (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:34] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:34] don't install plasmoid... :( [18:34] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Xeus_22: no.. will not compile on 4.2 [18:34] Xeus_22: hope developer wakes up and starts working [18:35] ahh... ok ok [18:35] thanks!! [18:35] you are wellcome :-) [18:37] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:39] sorry for my bad english [18:39] bye bye [18:39] Xeus_22 (n=Xeus_22@201-212-125-215.prima.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] mikeym (n=mmk@96.53.128.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:39] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] bad english is not as much of a show stopper as bad sense of reality (*cough* psufan *cough*) [18:41] good questions make up for bad english easily [18:41] hmmm, anyone know a not-to-technical-but-not-for-dummies-either dvd encoding software that runs on mac os x ? I need that for a friend [18:41] (a she, and with a 90C) [18:41] ^^ how to motivate people [18:42] handbrake seems to be popular [18:42] oh nevermind [18:43] Camarade_Tux: no.. unless those attributes are used *directly* against me, i wont lift a finger to aid the use of propietary software ;-D [18:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] she even has a pr0n page ! http://martinespr0n.yaxm.org/ [18:45] LOL [18:45] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) joined ##slackware. [18:45] guess who was stupid enough to check it out? :P [18:45] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] that's another definition of goat pr0n ;) [18:47] (to others, a real goat, and nothing sexual involved) [18:48] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [18:49] nooper, thanks, handbrake seems nice (and runs on linux :) ) [18:49] I'll try it with a dvd of mine on tomorrow [18:49] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [18:50] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] unrelated, why is 'lsof | grep sdb1' taking foooooorever ? [18:53] hmm, actually it's rather why does lsof take so long ? [18:53] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Camarade_Tux : why is my car not working? [18:53] strace it, see what it's doing [18:54] ananke: did you install slackware on your abs? ;) [18:55] hrr. Anyone use ext3 on large volumes, and use tune2fs to disable the forced fsck every N mounts and every X amount of time? [18:55] ananke, thought it could be commonplace ;) [18:55] Camarade_Tux : it's not [18:55] BP{k} : 'abs'? [18:55] okay sorry about reconnects was configuring something :P [18:56] Urchlay: yes, me [18:56] alienBOB: no problems caused by it then? [18:56] And use -m 0 to make lots of extra GB available [18:56] Urchlay: none [18:57] ananke: reference to the troll earlier who wanted to install slackware to use it as the control unit/system for his car and its "abs" (anti-lock break system) [18:57] alienBOB: cool. [18:57] BP{k} : ohh, that ABS [18:57] ananke: sorry. Was probably a bit too far out of context :) [18:58] BP{k} : i was actually guessing that you were talking about 'that' ABS, but wasn't sure :) [19:00] it's always before calls to close and could be xchat-related but I should sleep so I won't spend much time tonight on that [19:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-7-43.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] slackytude (i=1009@g228076182.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] juice_ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-7-43.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:02] slackytude (i=1009@g228076182.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:03] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] cause by xchat or firefox [19:03] s/cause/caused/ [19:04] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] juice__ (n=juice@67.48.17.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.37.28) joined ##slackware. [19:12] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] what is an "austin cone"? [19:13] macavity: kinda / sorta [19:14] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] it's from the lyrics of a song.. in which it is used as a metafor for clitoris (*don't* ask) [19:15] evo_ (n=evo@p4FD4D31B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:15] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:22] everything is big in texas... except the IQ ;) [19:24] othon (n=othon@189.97.101.165) joined ##slackware. [19:25] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:25] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-70-61-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:26] man... LLVM really takes it's time to compile [19:26] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] meh.. C++ is always like that.. [19:27] laters [19:27] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [19:30] othon (n=othon@189.97.101.165) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] mth- (i=1000@200-126-71-201.bk5-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [19:33] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-167.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:33] hi all [19:34] mth-: "no" [19:34] :( [19:35] sorry if i'm disturbing [19:35] nah. please mingle :P [19:35] macavity, now i have 2.5gb of ram in my laptop :) [19:36] Never gonna tell a lie. And hurt you! [19:36] :D [19:36] nachox: great :-) [19:36] can someone build the... package? hahaaha. lol! [19:36] macavity, it works a LOT faster, solaris at least, windows still sucks [19:37] nachox: i still wonder what went through my mind the day i bought this one.. i had it fitted with 2GB... and i have yet to use even 1 :P [19:37] macavity: probably something among the lines of "ZOMG..MOAR RAM..MOAR POWHAR!!" [19:37] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] hahaha [19:37] macavity, what laptop do you have? [19:39] BP{k}: no, it was actually more justified than that... 2x1GB was only ~35% more expencive than 2x512.. and being pedantic i wanted both channels running [19:39] mth-: Asus ASMobile S96F [19:39] s/pedantic/ocpd/ [19:40] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:40] it *really* makes a difference with integrated graphics [19:40] wowww [19:40] coool [19:41] and the kernel also has some heuristic memory encoding patterns that will utilize the extra bandwidth [19:41] ls [19:41] nullboy: fail :P [19:41] mth-: that highly depends on what you stick in it [19:42] i have a thinkpad x41 [19:42] macavity, I'm almost sure you use the ram with caches and buffers ;) [19:42] slackware works fine [19:42] hmmm, should sleep now [19:42] mth-: in my case i went for a Core2 Duo 2.16GHz and a 7200RPM drive.. makes it *almost* as good as a desktop [19:42] officergris (n=officerg@tark-b-024.resnet.purdue.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:43] crap, i do want a faster harddrive, it is the bottleneck of most laptops these days [19:43] Camarade_Tux: true, it does speed up the seccond phase of kernel compiles [19:43] nachox: i shot myself a little in the foot with this one.. the next gen (Z96F) has sata [19:44] nullboy, do you think this has 4chan potential ? http://pastebin.ca/1339532 [19:44] get LOTS of ram and load everything to ram during boot, takes longer to boot up but it sure runs faster [19:44] macavity, I'm mainly using my ram for linking during compilation... [19:44] exactly.. the seccond phase [19:44] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] nachox: take a velociraptor out of its "heatsink" [19:45] from what I hear they don't run appreciably hotter without it [19:46] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:46] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4383377.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:46] wtf [19:46] what the hell is that post [19:47] people having sex with their dogs? [19:47] this girl telling me how awesome sex with her dog is [19:47] wtf? [19:47] maybe that's what she calls her boyfriend - dog heh [19:47] girls really let dogs screw them? [19:47] no german shepard [19:47] what the hell [19:47] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] slackytude (i=1009@g228076182.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] no style - should at least have held out for a Great Dane [19:48] [19:48] NyteOwl, i wont spend cash in this laptop for a while [19:48] i already spent a little today to get 2gb of ram for it [19:48] nix_chix0r, lol, took me some time to realize they were speaking of dogs ;p [19:49] i might spend another bit to get another 2gb though :P [19:49] nothing is cooler than a 4gb laptop, hehe [19:49] Camarade_Tux, once she emails me her pic i'm putting it up on 4chan [19:49] lmao! [19:49] nix_chix0r: is she serious? [19:50] subject "she's a very freaky girl......sing along" [19:50] nachox: mine originally had 6GB. Now 50 :) [19:50] er 40 [19:50] nullboy, she is serious [19:50] who does that song? [19:50] rick james [19:50] NyteOwl, of ram? a laptop? [19:51] "The kind you don't take home to mother" [19:51] yeah [19:51] nachox: oh, sorry thought you emant HD [19:51] the kind you dont even want to be seen talking to anywhere [19:51] my laptop only has 512M. won't take any more ;) [19:51] nix_chix0r, don't forget to give us the link ;p [19:51] and where was that from ? [19:51] oh i will [19:51] the title of the song is Sper Freak [19:51] er Super Freak [19:51] that was between a girl on my IM list [19:52] ohh, hehe, i have a 40gb disk, its more than enough [19:52] ok, I was wondering if that was on irc [19:52] nah ha [19:52] now, really time to go to bed :) [19:52] nix_chix0r: damn... that pretty much renders us regular straight guys redundant, huh? :P [19:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] (no, I wasn't looking for the name of the channel so I could join and read conversations between girls ;p ) [19:53] macavity, the way she describes the better of the two is insane [19:53] who can compete with that:)) [19:53] macavity, no, we can, hmmm, we can, hmmm, crap =/ [19:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[19:56] nix_chix0r: 2-3h of "in and out" is over the top for me... but "playtime" all included takes about that if it has to be good (at least the gf and I think so) [19:56] but a dog can not hold a job or career and pay the bills, or do home repairs or drive a car or anything else men can do [19:56] Pig_Pen: but it can bite the mailman :P [19:57] lol [19:57] perhaps i should get the gf a big nasty dog... :P [19:57] lmao [19:57] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] dogs arent much good at having a conversation either [19:58] ive bet both dogs and people, who in combination at the same party, could cast serious doubt over that statement... [19:59] hi, I have an app or two I need to run as root, but am not thrilled about the idea of logging into X as root, but when I su before running an app it tells me 'No protocol specified\n$appname: cannot connect to X server :0.0" [19:59] hahah [19:59] dartmouth: kdesu [19:59] im in fluxbox, does this matter? im not familiar with kdesu [19:59] dartmouth: or rtfm on how to specify what display to use [19:59] or export ? [19:59] il look into it [20:00] and no cris, you should know by now that just because something starts with k doesnt mean that you have to have an entire kde session running to use it....... [20:00] hehe. jeesh. [20:00] just like g apps work just fine in KDE... [20:01] i keep hoping you'll forget who I am ;) [20:01] hint: DISPLAY=:0 appname [20:02] Action: dartmouth slaps his forehead [20:02] I knew that. [20:02] my bad [20:02] sorry ive been gone for a long time, im rusty [20:02] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-6-51.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] actually i was too quick to fire.. that doesnt work [20:03] export [20:03] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] i think you can use setenv too, but its been too long since ive needed to do this [20:04] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] hello all. hey dartmouth : take a look here for su in X : http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding ; or here for 'gksu' http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gksu&sv=12.2 ; or write your own based on the nmap source tarball : ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/n/nmap/ [20:04] Old_Fogie: that buffalo plane crash near your house? [20:04] anyhow, kdesu does the trick [20:05] it does and ty [20:05] gnubien, in same county, fortunately I'm far enuff away that it didn't present an issue here. 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[20:11] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.213) joined ##slackware. [20:15] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] What do people use for an RSS reader? [20:19] igor- (n=igor@189.82.107.50) joined ##slackware. [20:19] mooglenorph: rss readers are useless cause alot of the web sites dont delete old headlines [20:19] mooglenorph: snownews works good tho [20:20] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-6-51.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] older kernels allowed me to provide a range of ip addresses in DNAT's --to-destination thingy. how can i emulate that now? [20:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.7) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.7) joined ##slackware. [20:21] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "..." [20:22] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.67.229) joined ##slackware. [20:22] High_Priest (i=1000@cable-89-216-145-194.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:22] mooglenorph, I use rss all the time, liferea or snownews here. but the kde one is good too . [20:24] F5 or even Alt+F5 [20:24] mooglenorph, helps for tracking updates, such as sourceforge for an app that I maintain on my own that's not part of Slackware for example. Track CVE's website, even some rss feeds for slackware (but provided by slacky.eu not Slackware proper) [20:24] Old_Fogie: do the web sites you download the rss feeds from delete the old headlines daily? [20:25] gnubien, you can set that in your config options , how many days of archives to leave in your folder for each feed. [20:25] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:25] gnubien, honestly I've never seen the issue that you mention in liferea, or snownews or the kde one in kdepim, akregator that is. [20:26] gnubien, I leave one weeks of news in my folder for each feed. and have it set to never delete items I mark as important. [20:26] what else, alien bob's repo, rob workmans repo , slacky's repo, SBo.. a few blogs. [20:27] those RSS's all work fine. [20:27] yea RSS is a great tool for helping to do Slack maintenance for me , yup. would hate to be without it actually. [20:28] Cool. I think I'll go with liferea, because it would be useful for webcomics... [20:28] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:28] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:28] tntslack (n=will@adsl54-246.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:29] "useful" in that I could get my daily dose of them just a mite quicker. [20:30] mooglenorph, if you do use any rss reader, I would recommend having snownews anyhow. it is nice to have a cli backup (depending on how sadist you are on breaking your own box like I am...sometimes I lose the gui :) [20:30] mooglenorph, snow in addition to liferea, or whatever [20:30] I barely ever lose the gui [20:30] but I log in remotely a lot [20:30] mooglenorph, it has good import of feeds from the data file that other apps use [20:30] so that could be really nice [20:30] so quick to import your liferea ones, etc [20:31] Yes, definately useful. [20:32] I wouldnt recommend stuff like google news, or yahoo news. that get's just nuts,you'll get hit with a hundred in a day. that's a pita. [20:32] mooglenorph, oh there's even rss for noobfarm too, lol. [20:32] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [20:32] Beh. I want repos, SBo, webcomics, and a couple blogs. [20:33] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Anything more seems like madness to me. [20:34] very true [20:34] mooglenorph, oh fwiw, opera's RSS is really good too. it's own built in, if you want cross platform. [20:34] firefox's was buggy, for me. [20:35] I like special-purpose apps. [20:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] same here [20:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:36] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:36] m1 (n=m1@c-76-28-91-187.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.213) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.67.229) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:38] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [20:38] so strange...completed a fresh install of 12.2 and changed /etc/hosts to 127.0.0.1 sato.superaguri.org sato ... but every time i boot up the host shows up as default "darkstar"?? is there another file to edit hostname?? [20:38] m1: /etc/HOSTNAME [20:39] _juan (n=juan@201.248.20.168) joined ##slackware. [20:39] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:39] Urchlay: Ahhhh! I go check right now [20:39] chopp you here? [20:40] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] Action: Old_Fogie points m1 to /etc/hosts file "By the way, Arnt Gulbrandsen says that 127.0.0.1 should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problems for some (stupid) programs, irc and reputedly talk. :^) [20:40] Old_Fogie: that bit of advice is *ancient*, I wonder if it's still valid [20:40] m1 you can also be *sure* all is well by returning that file to what is was (you kept a backup right :) and run the netconfig tool which is part of pktool --> setup [20:41] Old_Fogie: ya, saw that but didn't know what to do.....i've been using gentoo for a long while and could only remember editing /etc/hosts [20:41] Urchlay, not sure, but a stock config file, by Slackware setup does not name the localhost, neither do some other distro's as well. [20:41] yeah, I never liked giving 127.0.0.1 the box's actual hostname either [20:42] m1 yes but if Mr. V puts a note in a file, I'd listen to it for future use (and I mean that humbly of course) as he is not a man of many words. if he speaks, take note of it :) [20:42] Old_Fogie: yes V-liness is very close to Godliness [20:42] :) [20:44] why would anyone pay $20/month to watch TV on a screen 2" square at 320x320 resolution? [20:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.37.28) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:44] going to reboot routerbox now....will reconnect to tell the tale [20:44] Old_Fogie: So i got the Acer 10.1". Mines bigger than yours :P [20:44] Action: agentc0re thinks that's what she said too [20:44] Need tv everywhere. Is an addiction. [20:44] agentc0re, oh you got it? [20:44] NyteOwl: because they think it'll make people think they're cool? [20:44] agentc0re, hahah lol [20:44] Action: Old_Fogie agrees with Urchlay on the 'cool' reference. [20:44] I suppose [20:45] Old_Fogie: jokes aside, it arives on the 18th for scrubbing. aka removing windows and adding slackware :) [20:45] I am excited. [20:45] also my new ITX board comes in so i can get rid of my via c7. bah.. been having so much trouble with it lately. [20:45] Action: agentc0re loves new toys. [20:46] connected? [20:46] ahh, good [20:46] ./end self loathing [20:46] agentc0re, word to the wise, keep the windows, and here's why. "if" they issue a bios upgrade, or firmware, whatever, life will be much easier to do it thru their gui tools, then making boot dos disks and the like to do them upgrades. they have a partition on board (most likely) a system rescue too, to take it back to the default install, so if anything keep that. [20:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] eww, I wouldn't trust a windows gui tool to be able to do a bios update safely [20:47] lol [20:47] agentc0re what's wrong with teh C7? [20:47] agentc0re, I had 3 upgrades for mine, and they have all these fancy windows gui tools to do it, and it 'just worked'. I really get scared as heck doing that stuff, especially on a device that has no cd rom drive, or floppy onboard ya know. [20:47] I mean the tool itself is probably fine, but the OS it's running on, tends to randomly fail... [20:48] some alternative to macromedia flash? some with more speed? [20:48] Urchlay, true, but he'll probably be like me, have windows there, but never use it, so at that point, it hasnt even had a chance to have binary rot, cuz it never gets used. [20:48] NyteOwl: I use it as my firewall and the program i use (Untangle) i think just over works it to the point of it just crashing from time to time. It will just randomly freeze and lock up. [20:49] http://loliserv.org/images/ea448cbb_boxputer02.jpg [20:49] mth-, if you find one, you have a whole free software community to notify :) [20:49] ohohoho [20:49] Old_Fogie: for the record..../etc/hosts is once again pristine........and /etc/HOSTNAME is doing its thing. :) [20:49] m1 ah ok good to here :) [20:49] ccfreak2k: going to mount the dvd-rom drive inside the quaker oatmeal box too? [20:49] Not enough room. [20:50] bummer [20:50] I actually could if I switch out the video card for a low profile model. [20:51] Old_Fogie: Makes sense. do they not offer a .bin type of file to upgrade though? could always just turn a usbkey in a dosboot drive with their upgrade utils on. [20:51] agentc0re, so just consider if anything, making an image of that "hidden" restore partition, you "never know". and that should have all the windows, and gui tools in it. tho I have succesffully restored windows already once , from powerquest drive image already. I tried taking out their mcafee, and it was a can of fail. [20:51] Old_Fogie: heh heh. [20:51] agentc0re, go take a look at their site, you dont need a login name, etc. you'll see they're all *.exe upgraddes. [20:52] yea I dont need the mcafee, so I wanted it out, since it nags you. then it borked the tiny box :( [20:52] isn't that just ironic. [20:52] The one thing on your pc trying to protect it. [20:52] oh you aint kidding. [20:52] norton, mcafee, just junk. I'll never ever use them anymore. [20:53] they ruin the pc [20:53] that's how I feel about windows... [20:53] i use Norton aka Symantec for work. [20:53] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] I wouldnt use their pro stuff if it were free, I aint kidding. I've seen it too many times, and I'm not an admin by trade either. [20:54] Having antivirus on a windows box is really important though. [20:54] It's just good net citizenship. [20:54] mooglenorph, none here :) [20:54] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.131.172.245) joined ##slackware. [20:54] not having viruses is important... how you achieve that can vary [20:55] Old_Fogie: How do you manage? (I literally know nothing about windows, I went from a mac to slackware in the late 90's). [20:55] Yeah, slack has clamav, every box is duall booted anyhow. and I dont even do windows updates. I run it for a week, it doesnt surf the internet. [20:55] actually has anyone who uses windows, ever tried relying only on clamav for that? [20:55] can anyone help me with some alternatives here? i need to setup a port forwarding scheme to be able to use a program on two different machines (never at the same time). [20:55] I use windows, but have no machine nx to a debian or slack box. I do the surfing on them, mail, etc. [20:56] igor-: whats the problem? [20:56] so the win boxes dont go out on the net. they dont even get updates anymore. they die on there own anyhow, so I boot up the restore cd I have for powerquest, reload off image, boom done. takes less time than to scan for spyware [20:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:57] Symantec has come a long way. It really sucked about 5 or so years ago but it's actually a nice program now. They're backup stuff is shit imo though. [20:57] hologram: well, DNAT will let me set the destination IP address of only one of the machines. if i decide to shutdown machine1 and use the program on the machine2, i'll have to replace the rule [20:58] My roomie has a windows box. I wish I could make them keep it off the internet. [20:58] Old_Fogie: I just finished making an XP SP3 slipstream. Next is to collect all the extar updates and slipstream them too :) [20:58] although i can't say much since i've never used it and my bias is because of their older software. :P [20:58] At least I monitor network traffic... if it starts doing anything suspicious I'll be all over that. [20:58] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] igor-: have the program listen on a different port on each machine and forward each port to each ip accordingly [20:59] Hah. my brothers pc had a virus. he thought it was windows making random Administrator accounts. I told him to move to linux but then he changed his mind saying it would be too much of a hastle. [20:59] hassle. [20:59] igor-: unless you have multiple wan ip's to work with [20:59] hologram: i can't do either. the program is hardcoded [21:00] Really his main probably, come to find out later, was that he wasn't natting himself off at all. And also never even had the windows firewall on. [21:00] lol. [21:00] igor-: there is no option to specify listening port? what kind of program is this? [21:00] agentc0rein fairness, moving to Linux form a longstanding windows environemtn CAN be a chore. Moving between any twom OSes can be a chore [21:00] agentc0re, I get trials of their stuff mailed to the office. I've tried their latest stuff. My test is to load it on a test box (that's imaged) and then remove it. If I find stuff left in the registry, and system files changed, but never restored to the backup, that's fail. and they still do. but partimage is awesome backup tool, check it out. ssl server. there's some other nice foss backup solutions as well. [21:00] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:00] hologram: some hamradio shit. [21:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.128.94) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Old_Fogie: I use bacula currently. [21:01] at work that is. [21:01] spamradio [21:01] NyteOwl, I've read about the slypstream, never tried it tho. [21:01] NyteOwl: Yes it can be. But it's worth it in the end. [21:01] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] hologram: i was thinking of a way to replace that rule by means of a script, but kind of gave up after noticing iptables doesn't care if I setuid root the script. [21:01] igor-: sorry .. if you have only one wan ip afaik you will not be able to have the same port forwarded to separate lan ip's simultaneously .. you would have to somehow script it so that if one machine goes down the forwarding rule switches to second machine [21:02] Old_Fogie: I did all the prep in XP then had a long and bitter arguement with nero and gave up, booted into Linux and made the disc there :) [21:02] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] \help [21:02] igor-: i would dig into the app documentation a bit further .. there has to be some way to specify what port it will listen on [21:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] how do I do a /who in irssi? [21:03] Action: pirving is confused [21:03] pirving: /who works fine here [21:03] unless you mean /whois [21:03] I do a /who and get nothing [21:03] pirving: check the status window [21:03] how do I access that? [21:03] alt-1 usually [21:03] NyteOwl, you know I never had an issue with nero in windows before. I've never had any good times with roxio tho. But nero, one thing ticked me off. the packet writing, I didn't now that was no "standard". so moving to linux, all my nero stuff was useless. but ironically, packet wriing in slackware is standard, and nero could work with it. [21:04] ok cool [21:04] hologram: believe me, i tried. I think the best way is to have a cronjob looking for a marker (maybe a touch'ed file) and replacing the rule accordingly. it's ugly, but i think it is secure enough [21:04] NyteOwl, my issue in windows on burning cd's was just the usual windows errors, but nero was usually good to tell if an issue might arise. I never could get cd text to work tho in windows. it does work in slack tho. [21:04] igor-: sounds like a plan [21:05] hologram: unless you have a better idea.. [21:05] Old_Fogie: I used Nero all the time on 98 but in XP it wouldn't let me specify the boot image - I HAD to use theirs or not al all. Never tried Roxio. Anyway, it took a few more steps but you can make the slipstream from Linux just as easily [21:06] NyteOwl, you know what's a really great app, for iso's, isomaster. I rework the slackware cd, and put in my stuff there, add in the upgraded versions from Slackware proper. works like a charm! [21:06] igor-: im not proficient with scripting .. i was just thinking along the lines of a set interval ping .. with some if statements to switch iptables rules if machine1 goes down switch to machine2 [21:07] _therada1 (n=hjhayes@adsl-152-85-253.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] ok question, how do I setup compiz? [21:07] hologram: caveat number one: you never know which machine will use the damn program, and they are windows desktop everybody uses. [21:07] igor-: :( [21:08] igor-: sounds like you need to purchase more ip's [21:08] Old_Fogie: I'll look into it. Maybe try when I update to 12.2 finally (if 12.3 isn;t out by then) [21:08] hologram: yeah, probably. [21:08] _juan (n=juan@201.248.20.168) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] hologram: well, i'm gonna try plan A for now. thank you for the insight [21:09] igor-: what i gave you wasnt much insight :) but good luck [21:09] sometimes you just need someone to explain the problem to.. solutions (or hacks) tend to come up [21:10] argh, first sentence sucked. [21:12] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] hi, folks. i have questions about my wireless AT&T card but be warned, i am a linux noob of the highest order. [21:14] i would like to eventually be online with slack as opposed to windows. [21:14] but i seem to be at an impasse [21:14] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.114.67) joined ##slackware. [21:15] i'm trying to use kppp per the instructions on sierra's site but it diesn't recognize the modem [21:15] doesn't even [21:16] bbiab [21:16] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:16] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:16] from what i can tell, all my ducks are in a row...with the exception of a rogue duck somewhere [21:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:17] and i've no idea where it might be [21:17] dmesg shows the card [21:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [21:17] says it's requesting my firmware and doesn't say it can't find it [21:18] so i'm thinking it must have found it [21:19] i have googled i don't know how many pages and read through i don't know how many threads and am no closer than what i was when i started [21:19] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [21:19] what does lspci show for the card ? [21:20] lspci doesn't show the card [21:21] i have to pcmcia-socket-startup before it will show up in dmesg [21:21] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:23] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] is it supposed to be here -> CardBus bridge [21:24] when i lspci? [21:24] igor- (n=igor@189.82.107.50) left irc: "leaving" [21:25] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:25] anyone here use virtualmin on a slackware box? [21:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:29] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] i need to ask a newbie question: are solid state SATA drives that much faster than normal spindle? are they as linux-friendly? is it going to be worth it in terms of best bang for the buck? (i.e. speed to cost analysis) [21:31] TwinReverb: which version of sata is you mobo rated for? [21:31] UDMA6 [21:33] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [21:34] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:35] it's an ICH7 machine [21:36] i'm guessing this is sata150 [21:36] officergris (n=officerg@tark-b-024.resnet.purdue.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [21:39] well i gotta go for now but if someone has an opinion please post it to me. i'll be back soon. [21:39] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] slakd (n=root@190.104.8.85) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [21:44] slakd (n=root@190.104.8.85) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] jeezo pete. out of all the pages i've read, not one of 'em said anything about the card showing up under lspci [21:46] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.19.112) joined ##slackware. [21:47] how do you get XULrunner installed? I need it for Aptana [21:47] i could have sworn i exhaustedall avenues on this before asking about it [21:47] soooo [21:47] IntangibleLiquid, check gware's site, they have buildscirpt for it [21:47] Old_Fogie, thanks buddy [21:47] i guess i'm off to google a couple hundred more posts :-/ [21:47] IntangibleLiquid, yw [21:48] IntangibleLiquid, 1.9.0.6 (latest rev) builds fine on slack 12.1 so it should do 12.2 fine I'd think [21:50] Old_Fogie, wait, that gware is for Gnome, is there anyway to get XULrunner separately? [21:50] when i lspcmcia it gives me: Socket 0 Device 0: [serial_cs] (bus ID: 0.0) [21:51] serial_cs is what the card is supposed to be bound to [21:51] IntangibleLiquid, xulrunner is used throughout gnome, via the 'libxul' library, so yes it's common in gnome,but it's not a gnome app. tho there are many gnome libs that can in fact become a dependency, so be sure to build on clean box. [21:53] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:54] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Saindo" [21:57] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:58] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:59] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:59] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [21:59] Old_Fogie, thanks man, they even have Xulrunner for 12.2 :D [21:59] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Old_Fogie, aptana now works out of the box [22:00] ah ok, yw [22:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:00] anyone use mercurial for changes on folders? [22:01] I made /tmp/test-foo [22:01] I did the hg init /tmp/test-foo, but can't commit a file in my home, with "hg add foo.txt -R /tmp/test-foo" ; any ideas? 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[22:28] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.114.67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] so, yea. this wireless card has almost driven me to drink and i'm 18 years on the wagon :-/ [22:30] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] i have problems to connect to wpa2 network, anyone can help me with info about? [22:32] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-223-75.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] what have you done already? [22:38] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-56-213-207.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [22:39] ovnicraft: ? [22:39] hmm this Black Sheep Ale is rather nice. [22:39] i have sierra nevada porter [22:40] nullboy, i have problems trying to connect to network with wpa2 security [22:40] Seems my mother is quite impressed with MythTV. [22:40] i try with wpa_supplicant [22:40] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:40] and generate a pk [22:40] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10353 [22:40] If/Once I get a TV tuner card and USB/Serial, I'll slave one of the DirecTV boxes to it and usurp the DirecTiVo box with it. [22:40] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl84-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [22:41] run wpa_supplicant like this to test and pastebin the output: wpa_supplicant -ddd -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf [22:42] how generate spk? [22:43] or that instruction do it? [22:43] why? [22:43] you don't need to generate anything [22:44] wpa_supplicant.conf accepts ASCII keys [22:44] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-223-75.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [22:45] quote ascii keys: psk="AsCiI_kEy_HeRe_CaSe_SeNsItIvE" [22:45] Does WPA/WPA2 have a standard method of turning an ASCII string into a key/set of keys? [22:45] yes [22:45] I remember it being somewhat problematic with WEP. [22:46] hash of SSID + ascii phrase [22:46] this mercurial's tarded [22:46] _therada1 (n=hjhayes@adsl-152-85-253.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] ccfreak2k: is the SSID was MYAP and the phrase was MYHUGEKEY: wpa_passphrase MYAP MYHUGEKEY [22:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:48] would create: psk=5a2ac88ed8946baeefc3f521019676157fb0d0f1534245754b163a3e42eb43c3 [22:48] hex keys are not quoted while ascii keys are [22:48] hmm well I actually anwsered phones today at work :) more then one call sicne I got moved to another client so I was not as bored [22:48] And the standard dictates what type of hash to use etc? [22:48] i think you know where to check that out [22:49] I just figure since you were explaining anyway... [22:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.128.94) left irc: "leaving" [22:49] nullboy, thx [22:51] tew (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [22:51] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:52] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [22:52] ccfreak2k: i'm pretty sure it's sha1 [22:52] wait no [22:52] PBKDF2 [22:53] The function PBKDF2 is a standardized method to derive a key from a passphrase. It is specified in RFC2898 with a clear explanation on how to compute it. [22:54] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.131.172.245) left irc: "thanks for not killin me, spook" [22:55] spook: you tried to kill him? why did you fail? [23:02] my verizon cell contract is finally up [23:02] I AM STOKED [23:04] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:05] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [23:26] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:27] Pfff [23:27] fftw slackbuild seems to be broken because the archive link is broken. [23:31] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] othermindszine (i=othermin@gateway/tor/x-b6fe2b62164f9c45) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [23:32] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust589.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] ccfreak2k, well the buildscript works, it doesnt wget the sourceball, it's just the dev's of fftw change their link location ftp://ftp.fftw.org/pub/fftw/old/fftw-3.2.tar.gz [23:34] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:34] see they moved it to /old [23:34] Yeah. [23:34] I just went ahead and updated my local copy to use 3.2.1. [23:37] is it good or bad is a girl tells a guy that he looks like $SOME_CELEB [23:37] well, if someone told you that you look like "erkle" would that be good? [23:38] yeah that's bad [23:38] right:) [23:38] Old_Fogie, you're old [23:39] girl: "you look that guy from the train wreck movie" .... girls friend "yeah after the train wreck" <--- see! not so good again :) [23:39] edman007, old? what made ya think of that? hahah [23:40] probably because of your mentioning erkle [23:40] :P [23:41] yeah, dunno [23:43] xkaliber (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] this is awesome http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/casino-operators-issue-warning-over-iphone-card-counting-app.ars [23:44] felony card counting device [23:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] my first upload :D http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=9&pos=0 [23:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [23:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.19.112) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:52] hm. interesting read. reminds me of the movie about a group of m.i.t. students that took vegas for millions. [23:57] problem with card counting teams is that they never last very long as they stop trusting each other pretty fast [23:59] Guest94696 (i=esom@58.47.108.54) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] --- Tue Feb 17 2009