[00:03] lol [00:03] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.77) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [00:05] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.6.209) joined ##slackware. [00:05] finally slackware v13.0 [00:05] bootable from the hdd itlsef ... [00:06] newbie2010, netinstall? [00:06] well, why when i log out from the xfc back to the cli the screen's color are fade to black [00:07] i can barely see what it's in there [00:07] MLanden, NO ... from dvd and it was crashing all time during the last configuration process of the Lilo installation last week [00:08] newbie2010, ahhh..ok...hope it holds strong...:D [00:09] hated its KDE akanodi server though [00:09] that is why i'm trying my luck with sfc [00:09] xfc [00:09] newbie2010, using intel for graphics? [00:10] the vga itself is nvidia [00:11] but i'm sure it's not properly recognized from my previous installations to slackwares [00:11] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:11] i have downloaded it driver some where and i'm install it later on [00:12] arghh2d2 (~arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:12] how to see the remaining spack on hdd since fdisk -l shows the partitioned parts only [00:12] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30053.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:13] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:14] df [00:14] to make a wee bit more readable: df -h [00:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:17] nooper (~nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:28] mfillpot, lol....unless there's a new code to compile...:D [00:28] mfillpot, not too quiet [00:30] I am reading about the KDE SC 4.4 enhancements now [00:31] dngr (~dngr@119.237.153.153) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] kleanchap (~subbarao@p5DC30053.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: SHellium.org Free bnc Free eggdrop [00:33] mfillpot, from what I have read it's coming along nicely [00:33] I have kernel 2.6.32.5 on my system and now I am trying to run vmplayer. Vmplayer is asking for the headers for the current kernel. I looked at the Slackware site and could not find the header and source files for this kernel. [00:34] MLanden: I can't wait to try it on -current when it is ready [00:34] kleanchap, stock or custom kernel build? [00:35] MLanden: nope. Slack build [00:35] Where can I find the source and headers for this kernel? [00:36] I went thru slackware-current and did not find it there. [00:37] kleanchap: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/k/ [00:38] Plasmastar (plasmastar@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Plasmastar (plasmastar@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [00:38] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:39] mfillpot: This has 2.6.32.7 kernel files and not the 2.6.32.5 files [00:41] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:41] kleanchap: then it appear you are not running fully current, but the kernel source should be in /usr/src/ [00:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:43] if it's there and hasn't been cleaned(i.e make clean) [00:43] moihowis your dad? [00:43] kleanchap: or since slackware uses a vanilla kernel you can get it the source from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.32.5.tar.bz2 [00:44] Guest91695 (~mike@c-71-192-166-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:44] mfillpot: thnx [00:44] kleanchap: you can get any vanilla version of the kernel from kernel.org [00:45] it's at 2.6.32.8 now [00:45] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:46] MLanden: that means we will be getting an update in the next few days [00:46] and I just upgraded...:( [00:47] slackware-current uses 2.6.32.7 [00:47] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left ##slackware. [00:47] MLanden: I am not worried about it since i wrote a script to update my bootloader and the initrd file for me. [00:48] mfillpot, was just jokin'..since I custom build [00:49] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Action: phrag really wants pancakes, crispy bacon and maple syrup! [00:51] ...and fresh coffee [00:51] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:52] damn that sounds good. :) [00:52] bbl [00:52] \o phrag [00:52] kleanchap (~subbarao@p5DC30053.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left ##slackware. [00:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Action: alisonken1noc has fresh coffee but could go for a spam and egg sandwich :) [00:54] Action: fire|bird is starting to get hungry now. [00:55] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:55] nice cripsy home fries with onions and mushrooms..:D [00:56] no, a good softshell crab sandwich [00:56] mfillpot, good call [00:56] shrimp poboy [00:56] Action: fire|bird watches ##slackware become ##slackware-food [00:56] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [00:58] #!/bin/softsh [00:58] lol [00:58] lol [00:59] hate to see what happens if the code coredumps....@_@ [01:00] MLanden: I was thinking that the closest thing that exists to softshell has to be windows shell, and we all no what happens when it dumps [01:00] s/no/know/ [01:00] mfillpot, lol....true [01:06] ok, I'm out for sleep [01:06] goodnight all [01:06] night,mfillpot [01:06] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:09] CRS-Finance (~thomark@213.226.51.190) joined ##slackware. [01:09] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:11] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:43] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Greetings [02:44] Salutations [02:44] hows today going for you guys ;) [02:44] heya,The-Croupier [02:44] welcome back MLanden :) [02:44] thanks,fire|bird [02:44] alisonken1noc: MLanden, fire|bird ;) salut [02:44] another fun watch at the noc [02:44] Action: alisonken1noc tips the hot caffeine cup to The-Croupier [02:46] i see....:( [02:47] Action: The-Croupier wonders what is legal or illegal... and who decides that?! :( [02:47] depends on the country you're in - or the company you're with :) [02:49] The-Croupier: legal,as in? [02:50] MLanden: as in not illegal, as in not get in trouble/jail for... ;) [02:50] that kind of thing [02:51] alisonken1noc: say whatever country... who decides for that country? [02:51] politicians, people, animals,plants....etc [02:51] there again - it depends on the country. In the US, it's the state congress as long as it doesn't conflict with the federal congress laws [02:52] s/congress/legislature/ [02:52] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [02:52] as well as city ordinances that don't conflict with the state/federal statutes [02:53] alisonken1noc: i see, so there is no freedom anywhere...:( thanks mate ;) [02:53] :) [02:54] you can always buy your own island and make your own laws :) [02:54] and your own electricity...:P [02:55] sorry,alisonken1noc....couldn't resist [02:55] ;) [02:57] MLanden: well, assuming you have enough of the right materials, electricity is easy to come by...a sat uplink is what's gonna be a real PITA [02:59] nyRednek: true [03:01] MLanden: then again, if you offer switching service, it'd help offset the cost(maritime internet) [03:01] makes one think of Tom Hanks in CastAway...if one of those boxes was a sat phone...how good would the reception have been? [03:02] MLanden: spotty, if he was near the equator [03:02] MLanden: assuming it was on iridium network [03:03] tick (tick@80.48.171.119) joined ##slackware. [03:03] guys, how do you configure your a2dp bluetooth headsets to work with slackware 13? [03:04] you need wodoo [03:04] voodoo [03:04] dang - you just spoiled my voodoo joke [03:04] ah - and don't forget the virgin goat sacrifice [03:04] unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate those libraries on my system :p [03:05] that would be awesome though [03:05] libvoodoo [03:05] as we all know, this is what office people usually think about sys-admins: [03:05] http://content20-foto.inbox.lv/albums122328225/khehe2/14-02-2010/kartinki-s-podpisjami-139-foto-39.jpg [03:06] nyRednek: right...good point [03:06] slava_dp, you're supposed to be here and understand russian :P [03:07] MLanden: the most reliable service, iridium, is spotty near the equator, great at the poles [03:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:07] MLanden: the other services are spotty at the best case [03:07] in that case we should have at least one guy from each country in the channel...:p [03:07] zux1wrk, lol [03:09] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:09] nyRednek: IIRC..Tom Hank's character was south of Fiji..some 600 miles..so he might have had a chance [03:09] MLanden: maybe [03:09] militant (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] The-Croupier, yeah, then we would get the "Most multi cultural channel" award [03:10] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [03:10] hello again. you fine folks seem a good bit more knowledgable than your average linux channel. i have a bit of a question [03:10] zux1wrk: yep, and then we would all understand eachother... ;) how much fun would it be if people would translate all those... the channel would have so many logs..it would be crazy...chaos.... [03:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:11] militant: describe the problem not the question ;) [03:11] but that's not entirely true, because russian in my opinion is the second international language, at least around these lands... [03:11] anyone happen to know if there's a way to move an already running app to the display on a different machine? i know you can do x forwarding to start a program remotely and display it locally. but what if it's already running, is there a method for this? [03:11] zux1wrk: careful, french,greek people would be annoyed by that [03:12] i might be annoyed too, but it's a fact [03:12] militant, better set up vnc or nx and view that machine's screen [03:12] zux1wrk: prove that fact.... [03:13] zux1wrk, russian really limited to this set of countries... chinese is what is popular. let's speak chinese. [03:13] slava_dp: lol ;) [03:13] The-Croupier: are you good with reading Cyrillic? [03:13] MLanden: i can manage i think ;) [03:13] slava_dp, don't look at how many people talk the language, but in how many country's it is teached as second language at schools [03:14] slava_dp: i do that already. but vnc is laggy and has the annoyance of logging in and so on. what i'm thinking would be great is.. i sit in bed with my laptop, and have my main machine and big LCD a few feet away on a table. it'd be *fantastic* if i could just decide i'd rather see my app on that screen, and not have to kill it and use synergy or vnc to bring it up on the other machine [03:14] MLanden: also, consider the extreme cost of using an iridium phone [03:14] zux1wrk, s/teached/taught/ [03:14] the french, Sarcosi speaks russian with Putin... :P [03:14] MLanden: it's right around GBP1/minute [03:14] i can't imagine i'm the only one who's thought this would be neat or useful, so i'm thinking there's a small chance someone has worked it out already [03:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.152) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-214.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] nyRednek: true...be one hell of a bill to who owned that phone if there was one..:D [03:15] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:15] the greek papandreou speaks at least 5 languages which one shall i choose? i wonder [03:15] ok, the chinese, there's alot of them, but the language is use-full in only one country [03:15] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] militant: screen + ssh? [03:15] zux1wrk: you are wrong on that...there are alot of people around the world learning chinesse/japanesse ;) think of all the martial artists ;) [03:16] zux1wrk: russian is only useful in two places...russia, and brighton beach, brooklyn, new york, usa [03:16] zux1wrk, russian is also not very useful. when you start speaking russian in the civilised world, you are looked upon as a communist terrorist [03:16] The-Croupier, yes, but they usually learn those languages not to have any use in real life, contacting their business partners... but just like a hobby [03:17] nyRednek: that would be going down the right track, possibly. i use screen extensively for things like irssi and rtorrent (have a headless box under the table for stuff like that) [03:17] slava_dp, well it's best to know english and russian, as those both are foreign languages to me [03:18] nyRednek: but does screen handle X forwarding? like if i ran a program with x forwarding, and forwarded it to localhost, could i then pull up that screen session from antoher machine and have the GUI app come up on that display? [03:18] zux1wrk: hobby or not... still widely used ;) and much more useful ;) [03:18] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Quit: changing servers [03:18] zux1wrk, my native languages are both ukrainian and russian. english is my second language :) [03:18] militant: it does not [03:18] screen is a terminal program, not an x program [03:18] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [03:18] The-Croupier, your only looking from the point of where you stand [03:19] if i could learn 2 languages, that would be the most usefull to me, travelling around the world, i would learn english and russian [03:19] alisonken1noc: right, that's why i didn't think it would handle it. i use synergy and vnc a ton, but i'm praying there's some sort of way... it would be SO freaking handy to just drag a window to the other machine's display the way synergy lets me drag my mouse over to it [03:20] militant, try freenx, alien had the packages. SBo might also. [03:21] slava_dp: checking into its capabilities, thanks for the suggestion. [03:21] militant, last i read it was a vnc rewrite [03:21] The-Croupier: true....with internet that have information in those languages..it can truly be useful [03:22] my problem with vnc and similar things is that even on my local network it can be pretty laggy. and it doesn't really solve the desire to take a program that's running on my laptop and move its display to my tower's big monitor. [03:23] zux1wrk: look at it from any point of view... ;) counting people if you like, (locals and "hobby" learning), businesses, technology, nuclear,...etc shall i continue? [03:24] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:24] militant: did you try www.teamviewer.com ;) [03:24] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [03:24] dermoth (~dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:25] The-Croupier, well what would be the 2 languages you would learn if your native wasn't english or russian? [03:25] Action: The-Croupier is Greek ;) [03:25] i would learn html, and english ;) [03:26] i mean real life languages... [03:26] create websites, communicate with everyone ;) [03:26] hmm. i suppose freenx might do the job. i could reverse my plans of taking things running on laptop and moving their display to desktop.. and simply run everything on the desktop, and freenx the display over to laptop. but then there's that annoying screen resolution and scrolling issue. sigh [03:26] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [03:26] for modern business? chinese&&french||german [03:26] zux1wrk: i know already Greek (native) albanian (native) italian (fluent) english (fluent) [03:26] italian helps a very tiny bit in french and spanish ;) [03:27] Aerilyn (~Aerilyn@69.73.207.86) joined ##slackware. [03:27] most people here learn english, then possibly german, french, italian or spanish. [03:27] CTCP VERSION: #GNAA @ IRC.HARDCHATS.COM - HARD CHATS, CHAT HARD from Aerilyn (Aerilyn!Aerilyn@69.73.207.86) to ##slackware [03:27] Channel flood from Aerilyn -- kicking [03:27] CTCP VERSION: #GNAA @ IRC.HARDCHATS.COM - HARD CHATS, CHAT HARD from Aerilyn (Aerilyn!Aerilyn@69.73.207.86) to ##slackware [03:27] Last message repeated 3 time(s). [03:27] Aerilyn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:27] i would learn chinesse ( i am a martial artist addict) [03:27] Aerilyn (~Aerilyn@69.73.207.86) joined ##slackware. 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[03:30] The-Croupier, here is Ukraine [03:31] slava_dp: no offense ... but you have the most beautiful women i have seen,,, and i live in greece :( [03:31] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:31] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [03:31] Action: The-Croupier hopes his gf is not around... [03:31] The-Croupier, you probably have not been in Latvia... [03:32] The-Croupier, yeah, we've been blessed with beautiful women [03:32] Action: zux1wrk happy for the now, much more productive topic.... [03:34] i don't know why, but i have noticed that the post-soviet countries usually have the most beautiful women [03:35] zux1wrk, it's the slavic heritage [03:36] i don't agree [03:36] we here have no slavic roots [03:36] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:36] except for the russians that live here, but still latvian girls are very beautiful [03:36] zux1wrk: exactly where are you? [03:36] excatly Latvia [03:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:37] zux1wrk: iirc, latvians are descended from the rus, who where descended from the norse [03:37] no, they were not [03:37] thought the Baltic people were already there [03:38] well, the rus came from the norse, anyways [03:38] we where allready here [03:38] then the rus became the russians [03:38] those where all indo-europeans [03:39] zux1wrk: IIRC latvian,lithuanian,old prussian(before germany),right? [03:39] and some bigger ethnic groups came from them [03:39] MLanden, yes [03:40] alexzyp (~ping@59.38.15.224) joined ##slackware. [03:40] MLanden, that was actually one nation, before history divided us [03:43] Livonia,right?..had to wiki [03:43] nyRednek, you are mistaken. the Rus were always here, near Kyiv, Ukraine, and Belorussia. Long before Moscow appeared. [03:45] MLanden, yes, the germans occupied part of the old baltic states and estonians, and named it livonia [03:46] oh hey. i found something that just might be exactly what i was looking for. xmove [03:46] alexzyp (~ping@59.38.15.224) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:47] also estonians have no ethnical relation to us [03:47] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.186) joined ##slackware. [03:48] hi, I want to share a folder with another machine. Will it be done using NFS? My PC is on Slackware 13. The other PC is on Debian... [03:49] zux1wrk: they're realted with the Finns,right? [03:49] yes [03:49] as long as you have nfs configured, then you can mount them on the other machine [03:49] alreadygone: ^^ [03:49] thanks alisonken1home :) [03:49] but they are not from indo-europeans, like the rest of us [03:50] alreadygone, you can also use samba [03:50] Action: alreadygone is looking at slackbook for help [03:50] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-214.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:50] alreadygone, i used NFS some time ago, and forgot everything about it, but i do remember that it was easy to configure [03:50] zux1wrk, I'll look into samba as well... just want to share my mp3s with my sister's pc [03:51] hmm [03:51] isn't samba a bit slower than NSF? like if you wanted to watch a video streamed over the lan from a different pc? [03:51] alreadygone, sshfs is the easiest option ;) [03:52] however, it's about the only way to share with a windows machine [03:52] Action: slava_dp uses sshfs [03:52] militant, well if it slower, then not that much [03:52] also, it is slower on windows machines, than on linux machines.... [03:52] Action: alreadygone is googling sshfs [03:52] in my experience [03:53] alreadygone, it's basically means mount fs via ssh [03:53] wasn't sure. i have a box for torrenting, and my housekeeper wants to watch the shows on her laptop, but they freeze/lag (her wifi is sloooow due to the repeater) so i have been wondering if something was faster than samba [03:53] sounds great [03:53] if you have ssh access to the other host, then you can mount anything you have permission to [03:53] zux1wrk: right,Uralic....whole different language group [03:54] I have ssh access zux1wrk :) [03:54] militant, i would think that it's the wi-fi problem, not sambas [03:55] MLanden, exactly :) why are you so interested about our ethnics? [03:55] zux1wrk: oh, i know the wifi is the primary issue. have just been wondering if there were any marginal speed diffferences between samba, nfs, and the other options [03:55] zux1wrk: just have an interest in world history [03:55] militant, i don't think it would help to change from samba, you have to fight the bottleneck [03:56] MLanden, where are you from? [03:56] US [03:56] and not sleeping? [03:56] her laptop is in fact windows, mine is linux and mine doesn't have quite as much of a lag issue streaming vids as hers. [03:56] zux1wrk: 'bout to...just testing a script [03:57] I wonder why :) [03:57] militant, in that case, i have noticed that windows hosts work slower with samba, than linux hosts [03:57] militant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra [03:57] MLanden, so you're still in yesterday [03:58] zux1wrk: interesting, good to know. i picked samba specifically because she runs windows, anyway. i'll be switching her to ubuntu or mint or something this upcoming week so we'll see if that helps [03:58] zux1wrk: lol....regarding history or the actual time?...:P [03:58] actual time... [03:58] :P [03:58] slava_dp: yeah, i found that one too. *could* be very much what i'm needing. thank you! [03:59] militant, how about switching her to.... slackware! :) [03:59] zux1wrk: if day starts at dawn...yes [04:00] militant, i too recommend slackware, if you use it. it will always be easier to help her, if she uses the distro you use [04:00] slava_dp: oh, i would, but i'm still getting used to it myself. was a slack 7.1 fanatic years ago but i'm freshly back into linux after taking several years off [04:00] and slack is a bit more complicated to get set up to a 'just works, and slickly' state [04:01] militant, a don't agree [04:01] for me, it would be more difficult to set up an ubuntu box [04:02] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [04:02] every time i try, i start screaming "Damn, why do they need to complicate simple things so badly" [04:02] so true [04:02] zux1wrk: she's not going to ever be able to handle sbo or anything. it really needs to be as idiot-friendly as possible. i'll switch her to slack once i myself am more familiar and comfy and feel more capable [04:03] militant, but why would she want to install something? [04:04] well yeah, at least ubuntu has that software store tool, where you point and click. [04:04] hah that's funny... when i pop in a slack disc and do an install, i spend the next couple of days fighting and tweaking. when i pop in an ubuntu disc and install, everything comes up working and smoothly on the first boot. slack is far better under the hood, but you can't really say it's as cuddly. she's a 51yo who never touched a computer until 6 months ago [04:05] and slack has these oh so horrible-looking text messages scrolling by.... [04:05] slava_dp, you can put splashy on.... :P [04:05] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] splashy never worked for me [04:05] if i'm going to pry her away from windows, i can't scare her with anything that doesn't work and look cute out of the box [04:05] did for me, only needed a bit more tweaking... [04:06] militant, doesn't kde4 look cute? [04:06] I've stopped trying to move people to Linux for this reason, heh [04:06] i think it's exactly what the user-brutalis want's to see [04:07] actually HATE kde4. i'm an e16 whore, i know it's old and funky but it's just so... plain, unintrusive, but doesn't feel cheap or outdated like blackbox and some of the others [04:07] i have installed bubuntu to ~5 people and slackware to ~10 people and i always end up having more problems with the bubuntu boxes [04:08] militant: how do you like the work with e17? [04:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:08] i've determined that ubuntu and gnome, with a couple quick adjustments to make the taskbar stuff look/act like windows... is the best route for getting her off windows [04:08] #1 problem with bubuntu is the same as with windows, the user ends up having much more power than he can take [04:08] On agreeable hardware, Ubuntu's fairly smooth, but still nowhere near where I personally want a distro of that sort to be. There's still too much forced use of the terminal. [04:09] MLanden: actually i love it. i rejected it immediately when i installed it and saw that it was a lot 'busier' and flashier than e16. but went back and tinkered to minimalize all that and it's pretty great i think [04:09] true,LSD'......killall -9 this and killall -9 that...:P [04:10] not so good on my 15" or 10" screens, not like a simplified gnome or e16 is... but on my 24" e17 is LOVELY [04:10] militant: it's coming all quite nicely together [04:11] Action: zux1wrk has never used e16 or e17 [04:11] oh you're missing out sir [04:11] e17 is like the duke nukem forever of WMs [04:11] i was myself an xfce user, until now [04:12] e16 was heaven back in the slack 7.1 days... i still prefer it to any other option even now. but e17 is getting there [04:12] until now is, when KDE4 seduced me..... [04:12] but i'll probably get back to xfce anyway [04:12] ALL i want is a freaking icon box to minimize pidgin and some terminals to, and a second desktop for chrome [04:13] i don't want taskbars, clocks, volume or network icons, app menus, or anything else. give me my whole friggin screen to use [04:13] well i have xfce at home and i've toughed my wife lot's of thing, how to browse for her pictures and so on... [04:14] kde4 i dunno. it's just cluttered and looks plastic and sorta cheap. but i didn't play with it or customize it much so i could be missing out [04:14] militant, almost sounds like you're speaking of the new kde4.4 netbook feature [04:14] oh? googling for screenshots on that... [04:15] i realy love the netbook features, also mine is a 14" laptop with 1024x768, but it's great anyway, even here [04:15] currently using UNR on the hp mini. i know, i know. but it's fast and simple, i don't want my netbook to be a hobby, i just want it to work [04:16] actually i guess i use a different linux on each of my machines... :( [04:17] militant, here is a screenshot of my desktop [04:17] http://bildites.lv/images/8fv9rh0ccxe6pe4lwq8k.png [04:18] zux1wrk, this is very neat! [04:18] that is actually nice. still, the bar at top eats screen space. i'm a stickler about that [04:18] militant, that bar hides [04:19] it only shows when you stick your mouse at the top for a moment [04:19] oh i don't like that either, i don't like fade/slide autohiding bars. i'm insanely picky. :/ [04:19] i'm using everything fullscreen here [04:20] in fact on my desktop my 24" is completely bare so everything runs fullscreen, and i have a little 10" display next to it for keeping pidgin and things [04:21] what is the recommended vnc server to set up? [04:21] freenx? [04:21] Razec (1000@187-27-202-136.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:21] to be able to access the real display? [04:21] slava_dp, I use x11vnc [04:22] ok, thanks [04:22] anyway, to me slackware-current + KDE4.4 from alienBOB works perfectly, except for one terrible problem [04:22] http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/migrating_thunderbird_2_to_thunderbird_3_smtp_doesnt_work [04:25] militant, you should see the kde netbook desktop to have an imagination of how it really works, it's hard to explain of show it in screenshots [04:25] or [04:26] i just might. the netbook is due for a fresh OS, anyway [04:27] but then you need slackware-current, plus the kde4.4 from alien [04:29] right. hmmm. i think i'll check it out. i have 3 machines to reinstall OS's on and about 20 pages of papers to write this week, but netbook/slackware/kde4 will come after that [04:30] the gentoo headless screen/irssi/rtorrent box.. the slackware desktop.. and the ubuntu laptop. sigh. and now the netbook. just shoot me [04:30] :D [04:32] you have lots of hardware [04:32] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [04:32] protect the environment.... use virtual machines :) [04:33] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [04:33] most of it is junk. i have ubuntu on the dualcore laptop, slackware on the athlon64 desktop, unr on the netbook, gentoo on the old headless p4, and dd-wrt on the router [04:34] why junk.... ok'ish hardware. i have similar stuff [04:34] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:34] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [04:34] Morn [04:34] Chanserv?! [04:34] why? kuz i don't have a big screaming-fast quadcore beast, yet! hehehe. [04:35] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-33.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] my main desktop is athlon64 single core 2.2ghz... not really great for some of my gaming desires. my fastest machine is the dualcore laptop, but its integrated graphics and smaller screen limit gaming. [04:35] Seriously, how long has Chanserv been in here? [04:36] Action: slava_dp doesn't see ChanServ anywhere [04:36] :/ [04:37] i dont have a nick list up but.. [04:37] 09:34:23 -!- toytoy was kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ [User is banned from this channel] [04:37] ChanServ is not in the nick list [04:37] and ok, i'll make an admission. i have windows on the main desktop alongside slackware... my playstation emulator just runs better (ati drivers and such) [04:37] hmph [04:39] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:39] militant, me too. my gf needs windose for graphics and design. and her family can't be bothered to learn linux apps, sadly. [04:40] slava_dp: thats what virtualisation is for [04:40] Zordrak, yeah, exactly. they would boot linux, run vbox with windows and burn a dvd with nero. [04:41] i'm a little exaggerating, of course. but that's the way they like it. [04:41] The-Croupier (The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [04:41] actually i don't play my playstation emulator much, after spending a week tweaking and fiddling with it in both linux and windows. maybe i should just ditch the windows install and deal with epsxe being a bit flaky/laggy on the rare occasions i use it [04:42] militant, just set up windows in virtualbox, it even support hardware opengl acceleration. [04:42] militant, well my laptop is also the best machine i have, it's a dualcore 1,6GHz, my home desktop has P4 with 3GHz [04:43] but, still, i have a virtual machine windows on my laptop, just because the world is evil [04:43] slava_dp: i had considered it, but the emulator maxes out my cpu and such to begin with. a vm running windows running the emulator would probably be a bit slow [04:43] Action: slava_dp 's stuff is similar to zux1wrk's, only my laptop is 2.0 [04:43] militant, the vm can have all your cpu and half your mem. [04:44] More than half.. [04:44] Nick change: ThomasLocke_ -> ThomasLocke [04:44] you're saying i won't have any speed loss running the vm itself, and windows, as compared to just running windows natively? [04:45] militant, well i've heard opinions that you should never run windows without vitalization at all [04:46] but that's probably not a gamers opinion [04:46] and what about the video card? the windows drivers for a radeon hd 2600 are a lot better than linux. would i get the same performance and compatibility? [04:46] virtualization [04:46] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:47] militant, as a say'd, probably not a gamers opinion [04:48] kuz um, i'd wank all over myself if i could get roughly the same experience on my playstation emulator without having to boot to windows. it's frustrating, running slack 95% of the time but having to shut all my stuff and boot to windows just to play an hour of final fantasy [04:48] militant, the linux driver will get to do the processing. windows will use a dummy video driver. [04:48] try it. might work out for you. [04:49] slava_dp: ahhh, then it's not an option. the linux drivers are utter crap for running the emulator, the slowdowns and jaggies are pretty bad. and the shader packs don't like to work [04:49] just get vbox, setup a vm, install the os, install guest additions. try. [04:49] crap for which emulator? the windows one, or the linux one? :) [04:52] well they're just crap, in general. i would assume it'd be even worse, with the performance drain from a vm and a second OS running and all. between compatibility and speed, i'd be a cranky individual [04:53] your choice [04:54] i do realize i'm far too picky and impossible to ever be pleased with my computing setup. it's become a hobby of mine to find more and more complicated ways to get *Exactly* what i want [04:54] damn [04:54] non of the graphical KDE file browsers work.... [04:54] nto dolphin, not konqueror... [04:55] they work just fine.. [04:55] they both throw a "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly." error at me... [04:55] nice [04:55] maybe i'm not running some process? [04:56] they do open, but if i try to enter whatever folder they just don't do it :( [04:56] guys, what does this mean on Slackware 13: RPC: Program not registered [04:57] where did you get that error? [04:57] showmount: RPC: Program not registered [04:57] ran showmount command [04:58] do you have rpc running? [04:58] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:58] /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc [04:59] alreadygone: NFS requires rpc [04:59] i think it was needed for nfs [04:59] chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc [04:59] /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start [04:59] just did that, but same message! [05:00] showmount: RPC: Program not registered [05:00] rpcinfo -p [05:00] pastebin [05:00] ok [05:00] http://www.pastie.org/826890 [05:01] somethings going wrong during rpc startup then [05:01] hmm, i get the same thing, but all i did, was run rc.rpc and then showmount [05:01] any errors in syslog? [05:01] let me check [05:01] must be somthing else you must do [05:01] portmapper should be in that list [05:02] Zordrak, i have portmapper in the list [05:02] zux1wrk: are you running an nfs server? [05:02] alreadygone: are you running an nfs server? [05:02] nop [05:02] thats not a correction im asking both of you [05:03] =i just tried to repeat the error [05:03] zux1wrk: showmount is a tool for checking up on an nfs server [05:03] how do I check that if I am running an nfs server? [05:03] alreadygone: your not if you dont know that you are [05:03] why are you trying to run showmount+? [05:03] *you're [05:04] I am trying to share a folder on my pc with another linux pc. [05:04] Zordrak, he's trying to create an nfs server [05:04] so you ARE trying to run an nfs server? [05:04] hey, this is a killer [05:04] then `chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd` [05:04] if i run . /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd start [05:04] `!$ start` [05:04] do I HAVE to run an NFS server to share one folder? [05:05] >.< [05:05] it just kicks me out of root... [05:05] alreadygone, yes [05:05] if you want to share it via NFS then yes [05:05] ok [05:05] if you want to share it via CIFS then you need samba [05:05] alternatively theres sshfs [05:05] or you can just rsync the content-s [05:05] rsync is probably not what he wants.... [05:06] hmm.. Im having problem with my xorg.. I have a laptop in a docking. the laptop is running 1024x768 and I have 2 monitors attached to it.. the laptop is running fine with 1024x768 but the monitor also start up in 1024x768 I can make it do 1280x1024 but then the toolbar in blackbox stands a bit under the middle of the screen. for the toolbar that is the bottom;( how can I make x start up without the laptop and starts the monitors in [05:06] zux1wrk: depends..... doesnt seem to know what he wants [05:06] Zordrak, he wants to share his mp3's with some other pc [05:06] sortremord (~Martin@189-10-131-26.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:06] I have no clues on Xorg config:) so Im just wondering [05:06] _stat1c (~stat1c@adsl-234-29-207.jax.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-33.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:07] go it :) http://www.pastie.org/826896 [05:07] _stat1c (stat1c@adsl-234-29-207.jax.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [05:07] Kowalczyk, have a look at xrandr [05:07] I need to use an older kernel version, is Slackware 12 still supported? [05:07] I am [05:07] sortremord, ye sit is [05:07] alreadygone: indeed [05:07] I can make xrandr turn off laptop and enable both of the monitor. but the toolbar still thinks its 1024x767 [05:07] zux1wrk, is there any place I can get a list of still supported versions? [05:07] I can make xrandr turn off laptop and enable both of the monitor. but the toolbar still thinks its 1024x769 [05:07] alreadygone: make sure you start rc.rpc on the machine to connect as a client [05:08] sortremord: Slackware 8 is still supported [05:08] sortremord: dont worry about support.. it will be there long after you need it [05:09] thanks Zordrak and zux1wrk [05:09] it is all I needed to know before moving to Slack [05:09] Kowalczyk, are all the programs also limited to that size? [05:09] thanks a lot guys... it worked [05:09] and what graphics chip do you have [05:09] ? [05:09] \o/ [05:09] alreadygone: bloody should... i depend on it here :) [05:09] :] [05:09] no not the programs. they start in full window.. [05:09] alreadygone: its also a buttload faster than CIFS/Samba [05:10] sortremord (Martin@189-10-131-26.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [05:10] but the toolbar. I want to disable LVDS who is the laptop and enable TMDS-1 and VGA on when I start x [05:10] that's what I heard! :) [05:10] Kowalczyk, maybe you have an intel chipset? i remember there was a bug similar to what you're telling [05:11] yep. intel [05:11] Kowalczyk: bingo [05:11] widescreen yes? [05:11] the laptop is not widescreen [05:11] does xrandr show you some tv-out? [05:12] tv disconnected it says [05:12] Kowalczyk, strange, to me that bug only happened on widescreens [05:12] disable that tv [05:12] how? [05:12] im not a geek on this:d [05:12] but you should try to disable it in xorg, but should be done via xrandr too [05:13] don't remember the syntax [05:13] so I have to make a xorg.conf file ?:) [05:13] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:14] you should only put the options you need in the xorg.conf, it should auto detect other [05:14] just a moment [05:14] oh. slackware uses blackbox 0.65 :( that's why I couldnt remove the toolbar :d [05:14] are you sure it's not widescreen? [05:15] the laptop is not:) [05:15] its a Fujitsu Siemens T4215 Tablet [05:16] nice [05:16] xrandr --output TV --off [05:16] try if this helps [05:16] so I need to disable LVDS, enable TMDS-1 and VGA with a resolution of 1280x1024 [05:16] ok:) [05:17] nope. the toolbar is still way to high [05:17] ok, then disable the LVDS the same way [05:17] I have [05:17] doesn't help? [05:18] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) joined ##slackware. [05:18] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:18] nope.. it starts up now with lvds(laptop) and monitor(TMDS-1) with a resolution of 1024x768 I turn off lvds and make tdms-1 1280x1204 and vga 1280x1024 [05:19] but the toolbar its almost in the middle. or between middle and botto [05:19] m [05:19] ok, i'll pastebin some info about xorg [05:20] ok:) thank you:d having lunch in a few minutes. I sense that I need some food before I dive into xorg config :D [05:21] http://pastebin.com/m49dbfa17 [05:21] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] the first lines there might be usefull to see how to disable output [05:22] ok:) thanks. I look into it when I get back :) ok.. :) [05:22] I will look at it. so I have to make a entry for monitor 1 and 2 or monitor 0 and 1. hmm [05:22] the rest of it is my home desktop configuration file, which has a monitor + a TV connected [05:22] ok. I need it to be a monitor + monitor and disable laptop [05:23] thank you:) will take a look at it:) [05:23] but now lunch :) [05:23] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-84.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@69.73.207.86 expired. [05:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@69.73.207.86' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:29] gyroscope (~master@81.215.48.210) joined ##slackware. [05:29] gyroscope (~master@81.215.48.210) left irc: Changing host [05:29] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:31] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-84.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:37] Kamel (klo_455@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:37] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-50-129.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:46] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. 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[05:54] zux1wrk: define graphical file managers [05:54] dolphin, konqueror [05:54] zux1wrk: theyre fine [05:54] Work for me zux1wrk [05:54] zux1wrk: dolphin being the preferential choice [05:54] Zordrak: ##slackware uses chanserv, what channel do you refer to? [05:54] alienBOB: really? [05:55] Yes, I always op myself by asking chanserv [05:55] alienBOB, any idea why would i be getting this error: The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly. [05:55] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:55] zux1wrk: I guess it matters what you were doing at the time [05:56] alienBOB: oh. ok then. guess its just different to services im used to [05:57] alienBOB, i open the whatever, dolphin or konqueror, it shows nothing, blank screen where the files should be [05:57] and then if I try to change the folder to any, it shows this error [05:57] zux1wrk: s/folder/directory/ [05:57] Zordrak, ok ok, english is not my best known language [05:57] zux1wrk: I never saw that error, but Google is full of it. Going back years, so it is not a KDE 4.4 -only error [05:58] theblackerbox (~sammo@78.145.15.12) joined ##slackware. [05:58] zux1wrk: its a windows thingf [05:58] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:58] zux1wrk: windows use folders.. everyone else uses directories [05:58] or catalogs [05:58] besides, i get error if a try to open a web page in konqueror, and i even thing it might be related to my strange thunderbird not sending e-mail problem [05:58] slava_dp: hmm [05:59] that's why i think it might be related to the whole system, not just kde [06:01] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-23.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:02] tbb (~sammo@92.27.217.11) joined ##slackware. [06:02] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:02] theblackerbox (~sammo@78.145.15.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:09] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:11] zux_ (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:12] heh heh [06:12] that was definetly a kde4 problem i was having [06:12] all of them [06:12] Nick change: zux_ -> zux1wrk [06:12] Action: Zordrak is very grateful that the BBC makes Trevor Nelson's wednesday night show available on iPlayer. [06:13] zux1wrk, so you dumped kde? [06:13] i now logged into xfce [06:13] and suddenly [06:13] =I appreciate that's a very uk-centric statement... but its one worth expressing [06:13] thunderbird workd [06:13] dolphin can browse files [06:13] zux1wrk: any chance you upgraded to kde4.4 using an old ~/.kde directory? [06:13] i deleted that, if i remember correctly... [06:14] and .local [06:14] hmm, there are some older files in .local/ [06:15] Action: Zordrak is about to upgrade a 12.1 box to -current [06:15] so tempted to skip 12.2 and 13.0 and see what happens with a jump straight to current [06:15] i'll try deleting some stuff and log back into kde again [06:16] very weird errors... [06:16] zux1wrk: make a new user temporarily [06:16] log in as that user [06:16] see if it works [06:16] aah ok [06:16] bye... [06:16] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:18] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-36.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Zordrak, i bet 1 hryvnia that your upgrade will be a success :) [06:22] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:22] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424508.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:24] zux_ (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Nick change: zux_ -> zux1wrk [06:25] damn [06:26] it all works now, was a kde settings problem [06:26] also, i deleted ~/.kde and now all works, still kde knows i switched it to netbook mode... [06:26] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-36.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:28] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7E11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:29] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:29] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7E11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:30] now this i realy don't get, i understand that some kde problems can prevent dolphin from browsing files and other kde related stuff [06:31] but how the hell it could make thunderbird not send e-mail, while it was able to receive it [06:35] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy expired. [06:35] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:36] hryvnia? [06:37] alienBOB: can i check my assumption that you dont recommend going straight from 12.1 to -current? [06:38] Zordrak: not recommended, but easier than going from pre-12.0 to -current :) [06:40] alisonken1noc: *nod* [06:40] _stat1c (~stat1c@adsl-234-29-207.jax.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] i suppose its not too much of a pain since i have all the versions mirrored locally... guess i should suck it up and stop being lazy [06:42] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:42] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-75.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] im even gonna double check each CHANGES_AND_HINTS.. im gonna be a good boy and set an example [06:45] Action: Camarade_Tux pats Zordrak [06:45] good boy :-) [06:48] xorsurgeon (~ce10d781@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqgxydjmireoblgt) left irc: Quit: Page closed [06:52] Action: Zordrak laughs to himself as he watches gnome packages upgrade [06:56] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-211-85.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:57] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-232-26.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:57] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:58] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] what ? :o [07:00] some kid of gnome icon boomph [07:00] *kind [07:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-75.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:02] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7E11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:54] someone can help-me with a little problem? i need to export X output, but i log with my own user and do sudo su - to up to root ... after this i need to export an X output, but i need that this output be to my own user , how do i can export this? [07:54] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:55] Action: HaMpA slaps alienBOB around with Windows Me [07:57] Grejaooo: what desktop are you using? KDE? [07:57] Grejaooo: what does "export X output" mean? [07:57] capture an image file of what X shows? [07:58] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [07:58] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:59] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-140-255.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Grejaooo: xauth merge ~xuser/.Xauthority [08:00] where xuser is- the user running X [08:00] heh, i just noticed a neighbors wi-fi in wicd, it has the best range i have seen: default 364% Unsecured Channel 6 [08:01] bitchslap him for sitting in the middle of the 2.4 spectrum interfering with everyone else :) [08:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:02] zordrak: thanks :) [08:03] Grejaooo: np [08:03] Zordrak, i'd have to work hard finding him... [08:04] i just don't understand the 365% thing... [08:04] iwlist ath0 scan gives me: Quality=36/70 Signal level=-59 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm [08:04] prolly a bug [08:04] but still thats a LOT of noise.. [08:04] hah, now it shows 51% [08:05] hmm, iwlist gives me 18 wi-fi networks and all of them have noise level the same [08:06] Zordrak , it's didn't work,,, after do this, i receive the same error,,, and DISPLAY don't have any value,,, [08:06] Grejaooo: export DISPLAY=:0.0 [08:06] I have like 10 wifi networks all over 40% quality within range of me, every one of them is secured.. one of them uses wep, the rest appear to be wpa2 [08:07] break19, well the one closest to me is unsecured... :D [08:07] Grejaooo: if you're running kde, then "kdesu " should help as well [08:08] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-85.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:08] zux1wrk: when the wife and I were in a fema trailer, in a trailer park, we had three or so unsecured wifi connections... but when we moved into this apartment complex a couple years ago, everyone's got their stuff locked down. heh [08:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [08:11] break19, you can break the wep one :) [08:11] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:12] slava_dp: I know, but why bother. he's only got a 1M connection. [08:12] oops.. [08:12] :-) [08:13] nannes1 (~nannes@host-78-14-194-141.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:18] i have never cracked a wep connection [08:18] so has anyone successfully dd-copied a dvd iso to a usb drive? [08:18] specifically, the slack iso [08:18] do you mean the bootable one? [08:18] yea [08:19] it doesnt work if you want it to be bootable [08:19] i don't know if it's possible, but there are other ways to create bootable usb slackware installer [08:19] i think alienBOB had a script for that [08:19] break19: the instructions are on the ISO [08:19] Zordrak: k [08:20] eg slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [08:20] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Zordrak, i think there are only instructions how to create bootable usb stick [08:20] without the packages [08:20] zux1wrk: yeah.. then copy the packages to the stick [08:21] but if you are using -current you can try isohybrid slackware.iso and then try to dd it [08:21] so you'd have to get the packages elsewhere [08:21] its not rocket science :) [08:21] im gonna try that soon myself but rarely use isos for slack [08:21] zux1wrk: ..... [08:21] if he has the iso he has the packages [08:21] Zordrak, ok, i'll try to remember that, but i usually boot from usb and install from network [08:21] zux1wrk: i boot from network and install from network [08:22] but you can do it any combination you want [08:22] It's not rocket surgery! [08:22] put the packages wherever, boot from wherever [08:22] Zordrak, no, wherever won't do [08:23] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:23] you're saying that if i put the packages on a dvd, and put that in a bag and throw in a river... [08:23] ok, i'm being pedantic about wherever... [08:23] you could even just put the iso image on the stick and loop mount it to install the packages [08:23] zux1wrk: read http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [08:24] break19: you too ^^^^ [08:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:24] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [08:25] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-245.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] alienBOB: interesting [08:26] ok, so now we really can boot from wherever [08:26] and install from the same wherever... [08:26] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Baisuoklis (~Baisuokis@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [08:27] i think the only thing i didn't like when i started using slackware was that there where limited options for booting devices [08:27] but it's only gotten better [08:27] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [08:27] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [08:28] hi, does any one know will KDE 4.4 be in next slack release? [08:28] current has 4.3.4 [08:28] only GOD knows [08:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] I asked him, but he aint talkin to me.. maybe I'll ask Jimmy Falwell to ask him for me. [08:29] alienBOB, might also know, but he probably won't tell [08:29] zux1wrk: welll He's afk it's seems looking at -current changelog :) [08:31] kde4.4 would be nice, but with slackware philosofy i dont expect it to be in the next release :/ [08:31] Baisuoklis: alienBOB said probably never. cause that would mean adding pam, policykit etc so we will wait for 4.5 which will have a better kauth [08:32] or something like that [08:32] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] tbb (~sammo@92.27.217.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:32] Something like that - pretty accurate [08:33] thats what i got from what ive read on the subject [08:33] allend (~allend@CPE-138-217-105-231.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:34] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:34] sahk0: alienBOB thx [08:35] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-245.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:36] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:36] that doesnt mean that 4.5 will be in next release though. it might be 4.3.5 or some later bugfix version or something. [08:37] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:37] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:38] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:38] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:38] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [08:38] 4.4 doesn't NEED polkit either, it can be built and mostly work without it [08:38] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:40] "mostly" [08:40] ? [08:40] kde is for gheyz [08:40] ;P [08:41] "lulz" he said "gheyz" [08:41] Driveby AOLing. [08:42] ardya, yeah, the desktop works fine, but you miss out on a couple features [08:43] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-176-168.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:43] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-176-168.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] i think someone said that for example you cant change the time from KDE [08:44] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) joined ##slackware. [08:45] thrice`: kinda counterproductive [08:45] open a terminal :P [08:45] or install windows. [08:45] ardya, kinda, yeah; personally, the pros of 4.4 outweight the cons (eg, installing fonts + changing the time I can manage myself), but it is kinda shitty overall [08:46] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:47] thrice`: are you on -current [08:48] dump kde & all the window managers except make fvwm default, ftw! [08:48] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [08:49] 1995! [08:49] ftw! [08:49] *snicker* [08:49] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:49] the worst that 1995 had to offer too :) [08:49] fwm is still being worked on build 2.5.28 and see [08:50] ananke, no, i think you mean windows 95 [08:50] zux1wrk: no, i mean 1995 [08:50] why, what can it possibly offer *better* than what gnome/compiz gives? [08:50] i dunno bout you, but in 1995, I was still using WindowMaker ? [08:50] reputation [08:51] hey! i am trolling here so dont debunk my trollage ;p [08:51] haha [08:51] zing! [08:51] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [08:51] bring olvwm back [08:51] you should be using xmonad [08:51] in fact, kde 2 or 3 is what killed windowmaker for me.. I never really did like any of the gnome stuff [08:52] slackware-8.0 has olvwm, i used to use it [08:52] i'm still of the opinion that lxde is going to be a decent alternative to xfce/fvwm2 [08:52] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:52] fluxbox \m/ [08:53] if you need a panel with a menu on the left and clock on the right just use icewm [08:53] ananke: sure, IF its permitted to utilize utils not currently permitted in slackware [08:53] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [08:54] id say, if they have enough manpower to develop & maintain a DE. [08:54] cause XFCE with 6-10 people is having a really hard time [08:54] nod [08:55] xfce definitely seems to be struggling [08:55] it lost its momentum [08:56] well, 4.8 is in the works, but 2 of the main guys recently backed off for a few months, so it got delayed quite a bit [08:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-190.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] xfce developers need to be careful where they take xfce - so far xfce is starting to become an xml bloatfest like gnome-2.x has been for the last few years [08:57] I don't believe xfce actually runs any lighter than a basic gnome desktop. it just comes with less stuff [08:57] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [08:57] of course, basic gnome-desktop not being a full-scale ubuntu desktop :> [08:57] the last xfce i really really liked was 4.06 when it had that CDE sort of looking panel [08:58] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:59] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:59] Action: slava_dp likes 4.4 [09:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-217-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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'{print [something]}', how can I grab the last argument? say I pipe "echo 'foo.bar.png'" to that awk command, and I want to grab "png" [09:27] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:28] v3gard: $NF [09:28] thanks ananke [09:28] that saved me a minor headache :) [09:30] awk is cool :) [09:32] how do you pronounce 'awk'? [09:33] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7E11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:33] like, o:k? [09:33] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:34] I pronounce it like the word "saw", with a "k" at the end [09:34] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [09:35] saw has a silent s? :) [09:36] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] sawk it to me baby [09:38] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [09:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:40] nannes (nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [09:41] hello [09:42] i have a question... [09:42] is it the right question? [09:42] i have a old notebook with zipslack installed [09:43] thats old allright [09:43] i have a problem.. when i do not work any time... [09:43] migue, did you fix the memory issue? [09:43] the display i black, and i can not to obtain the system tespense [09:44] slava_dp: hi! :) [09:44] slava_dp: my question last night about moving the display of an already-running X app to the display of a different machine... just FYI: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/b2lpz/i_am_looking_for_a_method_to_move_an_apps_display/ [09:44] slava_dp: yes!.. the memory is ok [09:44] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:44] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:45] slack was detecting ok... the 8mb of ram... but it is using 2mb for kernel, and abotu 3mb reserved [09:45] the 4mb that display free is the left... [09:45] :) [09:45] its ok... only is a bit amount of ram :( [09:46] sorry.. my english is not good :( [09:47] the new problem is this ... the system seem be blocked if i donot work a few minutes :( [09:47] could be a apm problem? [09:48] the notebook seem be in suspend mode or so... but it no wake up :( [09:48] migue, are you in X or in console? [09:49] asarch (~asarch@189.188.154.46) joined ##slackware. [09:49] militant, ok, xpra seems to be the only option. [09:49] slava_dp: in console.. the system has no X [09:49] at this time i am not in home... i has not the machine to try ... [09:50] migue, in /etc/rc.d/rc.M there is a setterm call that sets terminal powersave mechanism. man setterm and try to play with that. [09:50] slava_dp: wow! ok! i will see that! :) [09:50] thanks to all! :D [09:50] slava_dp: indeed. but it's awesome that there IS an option. will be testing it out today [09:50] your monitor might not be able to come out of powersave... [09:51] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:51] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:51] slava_dp: to me? hhhmm... cold be.. but i press Ctr-Alt_supr.. an the system no go to reboot. [09:52] i think... at boot time system tell about problemns with agp modeles or so... [09:52] could be thats a problem? [09:52] migue, see the logs in /var/log/, dmesg output, etc. [09:52] slava_dp: ok :) [09:54] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.120.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:56] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[10:06] Baisuoklis (~Baisuokis@86.100.65.204) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3725, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-21 09:01:14 UTC 3725 http://www.kvirc.net/ [10:06] sometimes I can get it to go away... sometimes not... [10:06] i think thats the oxygen qt theme [10:06] Anyone else see this problem? [10:07] sahk0: So the oxygen qt theme is a bit broken right now? [10:07] usr13, show us a screenshot. [10:07] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Client Quit [10:07] no, your description sounds like thats what you are referring to though [10:07] kscreenshot can do one [10:07] what do you mean by broken? a pic would help [10:07] ksnapshot, sorry [10:07] it sounds like you're describing the default theme, though ;) [10:08] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [10:08] hi [10:08] hi [10:08] which iso should i download [10:09] can someone give me a direct link to the 32 bit version of slackware 13 [10:09] if you have a dvd-rom, get the dvd iso. [10:09] don't [10:09] no cdrom drive :( [10:09] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] i'll do it by use or pxe maybe [10:09] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0-iso/ [10:09] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:10] heh, no actual iso there :-) [10:10] mhm [10:10] coolkehon, http://slackware.com/getslack [10:10] i went there [10:10] one of them had to many files but no .iso files [10:10] dngr (~dngr@119.237.152.156) joined ##slackware. [10:11] see belgium, for instance. it has isos. [10:11] or use a torrent, it's fast. [10:11] :( [10:11] http://www.slackware.com/torrents/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.torrent [10:11] dead [10:12] you're kidding me, it's not dead [10:12] I seem to have broken KDE by trying to change the theem [10:12] Had to switch to xfce [10:13] well fix it [10:13] :D [10:13] I now have some distortion at bottom with partially broken bar at bottom (with horizontal lines) [10:13] coolkehon: Any advise? [10:13] That link is very much alive [10:13] Action: slava_dp is seeding this torrent [10:14] and there is problem with fonts in this gui terminal window. [10:14] usr13, screenshot please [10:14] usr13: if you wanna stick to stable it might help upgrading KDE to 4.3.1 , using vbatts' packages for 13.0 [10:14] no [10:14] looks like video driver issue to me. [10:14] hmm [10:15] it must be that my school is blocking .torrent files [10:15] Action: coolkehon uses a shell account to wget then scp :P [10:16] slava_dp: ksnapshot won't run [10:16] QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine. [10:16] Segmentation fault [10:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:16] hahaha, so you borked your system using gtk-qt-engine. i see. [10:17] this program should be banned from the internets. [10:17] Axius (~hi@92.82.78.71) joined ##slackware. [10:17] slava_dp: How can I undo ? [10:17] removepkg gtk-qt-engine and all the other stuff theme-related (i hope you installed them as packages) [10:18] rm -R ~/.kde [10:18] obviously don't if it's important, but if you can, kill your ~/.kde* [10:18] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [10:18] usr13, if you want nice gtk themes, get QTCurve and gtk-chtheme from slackbuilds.org. that's all that is needed. [10:19] Action: slava_dp used to fool around with gtk-qt-engine too, it's horrible. [10:19] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:19] Axius (~hi@92.82.78.71) left irc: Client Quit [10:19] "Lost terminal"... [10:20] sirslacker (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:20] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|Busy [10:21] Not sure what to make of all of it. I did rm .kde [10:21] so... [10:21] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:21] I think I'll try running KDE again. [10:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. 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[10:31] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:31] how did you set this up [10:31] exactly [10:32] and what does "route -n" show (pastebin.ca - don't paste the output here) [10:32] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:32] route add -host 172.16.0.1 lo [10:33] 172.16.0.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 lo [10:33] route doesnt add IPs to interfaces. [10:33] ahh, good point, thanks [10:33] and how about the "ifconfig" part? again - use http://pastebin.ca to post the output - don't post it here [10:33] if it's more than 2 lines [10:34] i didnt create an interface, im ok now, thanks. [10:34] what does "route -n" show now? if it shows 2 entries for that IP, then you may get some issues later [10:37] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. 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[10:44] newbie2010: 100% out there is recognized [10:45] but round 87% is usable to fully operational [10:45] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.120.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:45] I know my laptop's touchpad is seen as new device but the OS doesn't contain the proper driver for it [10:45] newbie2010: lshw, hwinfo, maybe some more [10:45] you can browse around /sys or if you're using kde try k->applications->system->info center and see what's there [10:45] timahvo12 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:45] well guys, maybe I have a different understanding from you since english is not my first language :) [10:46] xover: localhost is _always_ 127.0.0.1 - that's standard for >every< IPv4 network [10:46] but I'll take you're right since you're the experts in here [10:46] there is something strange going on, i can ping 127.0.1.1 [10:46] my laptop's touchpad is not usable. [10:46] newbie2010: never assume we are right :) [10:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:46] thanks pprkut [10:46] xover: use pastebin.ca and post the full output of "/sbin/ifconfig" [10:47] and include "/sbin/route -n" as well [10:47] timahvo12 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [10:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:47] newbie2010: what does "dmesg | grep PS" say? [10:48] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:49] sahk0 (~sahk0@ppp089210110216.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:49] sahk0 (~sahk0@ppp089210110216.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [10:49] sahk0 (~sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:50] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:C216,PNP0f13:C217] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 [10:50] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [10:51] just one sec. [10:51] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input7 [10:51] newbie2010: is there any chance you have an nvidia graphics card and the proprietary nvidia driver? [10:52] input: PS/2 Generic Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/serio5/input/input8 [10:52] according to the tinternet, any 127 address refers to the localhost [10:52] newbie2010: enough pasting [10:52] aha, it does, you can ping 127.*.*.* and it pings the lo [10:52] however - by convention and loooooong standing use, 127.0.0.1 is reserved for localhost [10:52] nope Zordrak, mine is ATI [10:52] newbie2010: did you install a proprietary driver for it? [10:53] alisonken1home: how can i create a lookpback host address like we do in IOS? [10:53] nope, I barely could get slackware up and runing [10:53] fine. carry on. [10:53] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:53] now when i logout from startx i can't see the font color [10:53] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] I went to hp website and they don't have the driver for Linux! [10:54] are they crazy or what [10:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [10:54] that one is LOL [10:54] newbie2010: the driver is in the kernel! [10:55] 15:51:10 < newbie2010> input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input7 [10:55] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:55] xover: what are you trying to do? [10:56] Zordrak, the touchpad supposed to be sensitive to any click which is not the case [10:56] althought it worked like magic on v12.1 [10:56] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:56] you have to make an fdi file for it [10:56] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:56] or a xorg.conf [10:57] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:57] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [10:57] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [10:58] alisonken1home: I want to create a fake interfaec so that i can ping it, as if it were a real host address, like you do in Cisco for routing testing. [11:00] aliasing ? [11:00] then what's wrong with using localhost (127.0.0.1) ? [11:00] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [11:01] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [11:01] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:01] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:02] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] looks like the problem with distorted bar at top of windows is an intermitten one, it's not doing it now. [11:03] Looks normal now. [11:03] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] anyone know if it is possible to pipe text from bash to the x clipboard? [11:03] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [11:03] v3gard: highlight it.......? [11:03] usr13: not much of a pipe [11:04] oh yea [11:04] As far as upgrades go, I think fresh install is still better / easier. [11:04] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:05] usr13: @me? [11:05] hmm xclip looks promising [11:05] I'm just making a random observation - just upgraded 12.2 to 13.0 [11:05] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [11:06] xover: check out the dummy interface [11:06] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] ifconfig dummy (ip parameters) && route add (dummy ip) [11:06] usr13: oh.. cause im upgrading a box right now from 12.1 to -current [11:07] you may have to modprobe the dummy driver [11:07] usr13: and very smoothly so [11:07] xover: http://infocenter.sybase.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.sybase.dc30119_1250/html/aseiglnx/CHDDFIEH.htm [11:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Reset by Beer [11:09] v3gard: there is script... [11:09] script -- make typescript of terminal session [11:10] Zordrak: is it a desktop system? [11:10] alisonken1home: how can i list all the available modules for adding into my kernel? [11:10] I'm working on a laptop [11:10] xover: ? [11:10] v3gard: xclip in a bash script might do it [11:10] xover: modprobe -l [11:11] if you want a list of modules that are already compiled for your kernel, browse "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep" [11:11] or do what ardya shows :) [11:11] /sbin/modprobe -l and you don't have to be root either [11:12] Zordrak: Well, the actual upgrade 12.2 to 13.0 was pretty smooth. It's just that what I'm left with in the end is a bit less than perfect. [11:12] usr13 - wait until you upgrade 13.0 -> current with the libata change :) [11:12] dErFz (znc@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Quit: sleep [11:12] I've done a few 13.0 fresh installs and they were without a couple of issues I'm seeing now. [11:13] not bad really, just not totally without flaws. [11:13] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86 -> Blue_Slacker86|A [11:13] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86|A -> Blue_Slacker86 [11:13] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:14] One thing is that I can't seem to change the konsole settings and make it stick.... etc. [11:14] I want bold 12 point fonts but it just reverts back to 10 normal [11:14] to make konsole settings change, you have to edit the profile and make sure it get's saved as default profile [11:14] o [11:14] alisonken1home: cheers i got it working, just adding the module and added the interface. [11:14] xover: good [11:16] alisonken1home: Yes, that works. [11:16] I suppose some of it is just operator error. [11:16] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:17] usr13: found that trick when I wanted black background with green letters :) [11:18] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:18] sahk0: xorg.conf does not work for input devices if hal is active [11:19] Well, I've got what I want now. That's the only change I need. I like the rest of the default behaviour. Especially the more descriptive designations in the task bar of the various terminals you have open. Sometimes I end up with 4 or 5 and it is nice to see which is which more easily. [11:19] newbie2010: if you can move the cursor in X, then you touchpad is recognized *and* usable [11:19] newbie2010: if you can scroll it is even using the correct driver [11:20] everything else is config work [11:21] woohoo: Slackware package /tmp/SBo/mariadb-5.1.42-x86_64-1_hmw.txz created. \o/ [11:21] it's the config thing cause I can't click on the touchpad itself I have to use buttons to anything [11:23] pprkut: the real question is "when is sbo going to have OOo3.2 slackbuild for slackware64? :) [11:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:24] alisonken1home: when robby gets to it i guess would be tha nswer [11:24] Zordrak missed the smiley ;) [11:24] alisonken1home: :P [11:24] is someone here compiled gtk-2.18.6 [11:25] usr13: its clean as long as you kept your house in order prior to upgrading [11:31] slackaholic (1000@187.69.40.46) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:40] alisonken1home: can i only have one dummy device? [11:40] CRS-Finance (~thomark@213.226.51.190) joined ##slackware. [11:40] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.64.50) joined ##slackware. [11:42] gnubien: yes, xclip solved the problem. the minor drawback is that I have to paste using the third mouse-button instead of ctrl+v [11:43] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:43] slackware-current works pretty darn good [11:43] alienBOB, your ffmpeg build script no workie [11:44] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [11:45] akshat (~akshat@122.163.249.174) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Hi [11:45] aha! "xclip -selection clipboard" solved the drawback :) [11:45] man-files <3 [11:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:47] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:47] The x.org used in slackware 13 doesn't necessarily have to use an xorg.conf file but how can I dump one with the curent settings being used? [11:47] akshat, i say try it without first, then if you need it put the old one in [11:48] another solution is to only include the sections you must [11:48] prank (~ext3@host116-140-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:48] prank (ext3@host116-140-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [11:48] but try it without first [11:48] akshat: you cant.. becauise the hw info is provided by hal.. it cant just generate a config equivalent to what hal gave it [11:48] actually, all I want to do is to use the etra buttons buttons on my mouse. I know how to do it with xoeg.conf but is there any other way? [11:48] example: the only options I had to add to mine was DontZap (i.e. disable control+alt+backspace) [11:48] HAL knows all. [11:49] if you only need the extra buttons for your mouse, only include the mouse section of your config [11:49] Soon, however, it will be "udev knows almost all" [11:49] Zordrak: but that info is passed to X, right? so why can't it just dump the info. [11:49] hello guys [11:49] your mom uses All [11:49] Action: NaCl slaps Delahunt with a large trout [11:49] Action: Delahunt dissolves NaCl [11:49] anyone know whats not working in kde 4.4 due to pam/polkit ? [11:50] Scuzz: font installation and chaging the time [11:50] akshat: lshal [11:50] thanx [11:51] doesn't KDE 4.4 support dragging windows to the edge of the screen to make them snap to takeup that half of the screen like windows 7 does? [11:51] Action: NaCl resolidifies [11:51] zaltekk: yes [11:51] Delahunt: thanks. that sounds good. I did not know that, I thought it was mandatory to have all sections. Has this always been like this or is it so in the new versions? [11:51] And I found it quite annoying [11:51] NaCl: really? i found it useful with Windows 7 [11:51] akshat, i think it's just now that X uses hal/udev [11:51] ok [11:51] zaltekk: I'd do it without knowing it. [11:51] thanks an lot. I'll try that for sure [11:51] Several times per day [11:52] i always have an instance of Konsole on the right half of my screen and FireFox/Okular/OOo on the left [11:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] NaCl: i found that dragging a window to the top making it maximize annoying because there are already much simplier ways to maximize a window [11:52] If there was a way to rig it up to use a quarter of the screens, I'd be all for it. [11:52] ugh.. Slackware servers take so damn long to reboot............ .... because they stay up forever so a forced reboot is always long after the fsck expiry :) [11:52] but there isn't another predefined way to evenly divide windows on the screen...unless I am missing something [11:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Action: NaCl shrugs [11:53] zaltekk: there is, sec... [11:53] like now...I'm sure that Konsole and OOo aren't taking up evens halves of the screen, and it bothers the perfectionist side of me a little bit =/ [11:54] zaltekk: why not just put each in its own desktop? [11:54] Zordrak: I tried doing that once. [11:54] Zordrak: i like them side by side so i can view them at the same time [11:54] I just got tired of not seeing everything [11:54] zaltekk: Snap Helper (kwin effect) [11:54] my laptop's screen is 16:10 [11:55] hm. I run 9 dusktops, have Desktop Grid linked to top left corner and Present All Windows to top right... then the stuff im working on is always maximised and i just zoom around them [11:55] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.143.21.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:56] I have dual screens set up here. [11:57] chuck56 (~chuck56@unaffiliated/chuck56) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:57] pprkut: where do I find that? the windows "snap" to the edges of the screen. but i want a way to tell a window to take up 1/2 of the screen's width [11:57] http://www.kde.org/ [11:57] anyone uses kde 4.4 ? [11:57] manhunter: many [11:57] Action: NaCl suggests that manhunter read the long [11:58] *log [11:58] zaltekk: systemsettings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Accessibility -> Snap Helper [11:58] NaCl: which log? [11:58] look up [11:58] chuck56 (~chuck56@66.7.171.78) joined ##slackware. [11:59] manhunter: and to quote Zordrak: many [11:59] pprkut: I don't have that. [11:59] slackware 13 with kde 4.4 ? [11:59] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:59] I think we all use -current [11:59] zaltekk: I have it with both 4.3 and 4.4 [11:59] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:59] dErFz (~derf@217.18.70.128) joined ##slackware. [12:00] pprkut: KDE 4.2.4 [12:00] i am using what is in slackware64-13.0 [12:00] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [12:00] zaltekk: nope, that one doesn't [12:00] zaltekk: there's your problem. :P [12:00] I'll bbl. [12:01] Action: NaCl fades into the background [12:01] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [12:01] can anyone share experiences with kde 4.4? [12:01] NaCl: btw, this effect would also help you with dividing the screen in 4 parts ;) [12:02] IT's on. [12:02] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:02] pprkut: i'll most likely upgrade my KDE soon just for that feature [12:02] I just need to tweak it when I'm in slack again. [12:02] Action: NaCl disappears for real. [12:02] what's new feature and advantages for kde 4.4 ? [12:02] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:03] manhunter: the KDE website has a tour of the new features [12:03] manhunter: http://www.kde.orgc [12:03] manhunter: http://www.kde.org [12:03] i am wondering, is in only my kde4, when i try to resize some window it is drown slicing? [12:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:04] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE6D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] anyone here experiencing problems with ekiga (slackbuilds package)? [12:06] in particular, not being able to do any call (including echo test) because it returns "Call Completed" before it establishes it? [12:06] zaltekk: well, it doesn't do *exactly* what you want [12:06] pprkut: doesn't it emulate the similar feature from windows7? [12:06] that's another effect [12:06] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:07] i am just looking for a voip client to my new slack13 box. i am having quite a trouble to get ekiga working so i would be glad if i could find an alternative (twinkle has a lot of dependencies but i may actually give it a try if i don't get this mess with ekiga sorted out soon) [12:08] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:08] teckan: linphone is small, twinkle works best imho [12:09] teckan: both linphone and twinkle have CLI apps, no gui needed [12:10] gnubien, thanks :( [12:10] ups [12:10] *:) [12:10] (still adapting to new keyboard) [12:10] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:10] gnubien: does twinkle suport the SIP @ekiga.net accounts made with the ekiga service? [12:10] support* [12:11] Drakevr: not sure, doubt it [12:11] Drakevr: www.twinklephone.com search... [12:12] :( ekiga is trouble .. hope im not stuck with it [12:12] Drakevr: linphone is limited but works ok [12:12] kruger (~kruger@a85-139-203-86.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. 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(calls) [12:27] macman_ (~macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [12:27] hi all question .. are any of you guys good at re-authoring a dvd ? [12:27] i just dmped a movie with -dumpstream -dumpfile file.mpg .. the file.mpg is about .0gb .. there anway to get it to about 4.0gb or would i need another app for this ? [12:28] s/.0gb/6gb [12:28] Hexodus (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [12:28] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:29] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:29] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] hi [12:31] is it advisable to upgrade to firefox-3.6 through slackpkg? [12:32] yes, there is nothing wrong with that approach :-) [12:32] i would go to chromium, though [12:33] Ok, i see. [12:35] i keep my stable system up to date using two sequential commands "slackpkg update" and then "slackpkg upgrade patches" [12:35] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] macman_ (~macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [12:36] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:37] fhobia, that's pretty much what i do, too :) [12:39] fhobia: upgrade-all is just as appropriate [12:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-47.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:41] SGY, IGH. [12:41] err [12:41] SYG, IGH. [12:41] i used to track pkgs depends and such the self centered way .. , starting usage of slackpkg could that create potential conflicts or else crash my system as of its current state? [12:41] migue (~mconca@200.5.217.87) joined ##slackware. [12:42] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-9-122.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:42] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:42] afternoon all [12:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] hmmm [12:46] slackaholic (1000@187.69.27.32) joined ##slackware. [12:47] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] It semms that a fresh instal of 13.0 and KDE-3.2 has some issues with window decoration at first, but they gradually go away after some use. Not sure what to make of that... [12:50] how did you get hold of 3.2 in the first place ? [12:50] that's KDE-4.2 not 3.2 (typo)... [12:50] uhuh [12:50] I upped to 4.3, which was a big improvement for me [12:51] adaptr: Was it difficult to upgrade? How did you do it/ [12:51] ? [12:51] with a custom repo [12:51] ? not / (/ was another typo) :) [12:52] adaptr: care to share your custom repo? [12:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:52] no problem, I was only pointed to it [12:52] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [12:52] both 32 and 64 bit there [12:53] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:53] download all of that into a subdir, exit X, and run upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall *.txz [12:53] restart X [12:53] easy peasy [12:53] slackaholic (1000@187.69.27.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:54] adaptr: sounds great [12:54] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:54] alienbob has 4.4 packages as well, but you need -current to use them [12:54] and I'm not that adventurous [12:54] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: another time [12:54] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. 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[13:02] it works [13:03] also, wget doesn't support wildcards - curl does [13:03] let me dig up what I ran [13:03] ach, i lied to you [13:03] sorry [13:04] make a subdir somewhere, and copy/paste this [13:04] lftp -c 'open http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/x86_64/ ; mirror ' [13:04] remove the _64 if you have 32 bit [13:04] lftp it was... silly [13:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [13:06] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:06] looks to me like it should be: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/x86/ [13:07] as I said [13:07] am I looking in the wrong directory? [13:08] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] In the directory you suggest, all the files say "x86_64..." [13:10] as I said [13:10] o [13:10] perhaps you need to re-read it [13:10] so I need to go to http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/x86/ [13:10] twinkle is not compiling, complaining about qt absence but i am sure qt is there. and i am already using --disable-qt-check flag. weird. [13:10] if you have 32 bit [13:11] teckan: is that directly from ./configure --help ? [13:12] i have 64bit [13:12] that wasn't for you :) [13:12] Ok got it. Thanks. [13:13] LF_ (~lucas@187.2.100.42) joined ##slackware. [13:13] well, i'll check configure help to see how i can pass the location of qt to the program [13:13] Immundus (~obi@e179138126.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:14] or perhaps it doesn't like the exact version [13:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-47.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] slackie (~x@cb-217-129-171-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:15] adaptr, i have just installed it from the repos (i hadnt it at all here before) [13:15] ah [13:17] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] slackaholic (1000@187-25-160-21.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:18] surgeon_ (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] weird [13:20] it keeps saying it does not have the libraries/headers [13:22] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. 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[13:53] i am now having a problem with twinkle (still trying to compile). it now asks for "lrelease (qt3-devel-tools package)". although it is in my system, i have no idea how to pass the path information to the ./configure script [13:54] well, ln -s did the trick :) [13:55] how i can get this pkgs libvorbis-dev, zlib1g-dev, libhunspell-dev, x11proto-record-dev [13:56] how is cdrdao with audio cd's ? [14:00] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:00] Blue_Slacker86: slackware doesn't have -dev packages. [14:01] BP{k}: oh ,why [14:01] Blue_Slacker86: slackware doesn't split software into separate packages. if you install you don't need -dev [14:01] BP{k}: i need to install Goldendict and it needt to this [14:02] Blue_Slacker86: because usually upstream never intended to have those parts split from their package. so libvorbis will include the header files that other distros stuff in -dev .. and what ananke said [14:02] but more elegant and with fewer words. :) [14:02] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:03] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [14:03] BP{k}: the 'upstream usually never intended to have those parts split from their package' is not true. upstream doesn't have packages [14:03] ananke: point granted. :) [14:03] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] BP{k}: how i can install Goldendict (http://goldendict.berlios.de/download.php) [14:04] Blue_Slacker86, install those libraries you mentioned above, but they won't be -dev [14:04] so, libvorbis, zlib1g, libhunspell [14:08] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [14:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] dive: OK , TNX [14:09] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:10] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-95-141.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hi [14:11] evening [14:11] my asus motherbooard has a nvidia CK804 soundchip, its recognized correctly and i ran alsaconfig, but i cant hear anything... can u help me (slack 13) [14:12] did you run alsamixer, unmute the master and pcm channels (with 'm') and turn the levels up? [14:12] Blue_Slacker86: hunspell is on SBo, btw. [14:13] xlordt (~xlordt@24.55.70.98) joined ##slackware. [14:13] why is alsa better again? i keep forgetting [14:13] BP{k}: i can not found zlib1g [14:13] ...slackware has zlib [14:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:14] dive: yep [14:15] The_ManU_212, if you aplay a wav file does it give any error? [14:16] dive: no error :( [14:16] the cable is plugged in i tried the soundsystem with an external mp3player [14:16] does it say 'playing blabla' and the bitrate info etc [14:16] dive: Playing WAVE 'foobar.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo [14:17] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0084.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:17] ok then it must be one of the levels in alsamixer [14:17] If it's a surround sound card, try messing with the "front" channel [14:17] keep trying with them and the switches. When/if it works do 'alsactl store' [14:19] dive: NaCl i set all values to the top and switched all to 00 and all to MM nothing works [14:19] they need to implement alsactl justwork [14:20] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] checked the speaker connections at the back? [14:21] speakers turned etc. [14:21] s/turned/turned up/ [14:22] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] plugged into the right jack? [14:22] dive: yeah checked all and the mainbaord works with windows [14:22] Skywise: yeah green output [14:23] in alsamixer just turn on (green MM) the master and pcm, then play something long and try turning on/off the other switches/mutes [14:23] while it's playing [14:24] er that should be gren 00 [14:24] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:24] green, not MM [14:24] 00 = on, MM = off [14:25] dive: is all green but i also cant hear any noise when i turn up the volume... [14:25] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:25] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] The_ManU_212, don't turn them _all_ green, just master and pcm, then try the other switches one-by-one [14:27] dive: yeah nothing happens, but all works fine when i disable the sound device in bios linux doesnt recognize a souncard [14:29] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [14:29] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:29] The_ManU_212, read this: http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/suse-linux-enterprise-desktop-sled/sled-hardware/369069-alsa-nvidia-ck804-problem-sled-11-a.html [14:29] is it possible its using the wrong device? [14:31] hmm well that _is_ device 0 in mine [14:32] anyone here knows the number for call/echo test in voipbuster? (i'm loving twinkle so far) [14:33] dive: Skywise hm i configures with alsaconfig, but there was only one device + mpu which is detected on almost every machine, where can i look if tehre are 2 devices? [14:34] CRS-Finance (~thomark@213.226.51.190) left irc: Quit: Good luck and Good Trading! [14:34] The_ManU_212, does alsamixer -c 1 show anything? [14:35] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:36] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:37] dive: only alsamixer -c0 gives a result [14:37] ok [14:37] try a test: 'speaker-test -c 6 -r 48000' [14:37] see if you get any sound at all [14:37] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] NaCl: when i want get make install after make GoldenDict form source get this(http://pastebin.com/d33e38bfc) error how i can repair it [14:40] how do you lot pronounce linux...... li-nux or lin-ux? [14:40] linux [14:40] lin-ux [14:40] when i want get make install after make GoldenDict form source get this(http://pastebin.com/d33e38bfc) error how i can repair it [14:40] leeenux [14:40] its li-nux [14:40] its named after li-nus [14:41] Blue_Slacker86: looks like something could be wrong with the the installation function [14:41] but linus pronounces it lin-ux don't he? [14:41] no [14:41] it wasn't an issue before ibm put out its dumb commercials saying it wrong [14:41] The_ManU_212, did you read that link? [14:41] dive: nothing at all, the only thing i remember is that tehres a plug for front audio where i put a "hda" labled jumper on [14:41] Skywise: that would have been novell [14:42] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:42] The_ManU_212, you need to edit a file: /usr/share/alsa/cards/NFORCE.conf go to line 270 and change 'device 2' to 'device 0' [14:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0 [14:42] then reboot [14:42] the last statement [14:42] hi, can I use pkgtool with options ? like -preserver when removing packages...is there some config or something ? [14:43] dive: a i thought ist s only if u have 2 cards detected... but ill try, ned i then to restart something? [14:43] *-preserve [14:43] Skywise, http://www.jx90.com/linux.html sounds like lin-ux to me. [14:43] The_ManU_212, edit that file - there's a bug in it [14:43] then reboot [14:43] or rmmod all your sound modules [14:43] then modprobe them [14:44] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> PancakeStaffer [14:44] PancakeStaffer, a plate of pacncakes please [14:45] dive: Sorry, you're looking for WaitressStaffer [14:45] hehe [14:45] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [14:46] jonsmith1982, i disagree, he's saying like his name [14:47] or I have to just change the script by myself [14:47] dive: rebooting... [14:47] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-95-141.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] lisak, what is -preserver meant to do? [14:48] removepkg -preserve [14:48] its makes a life preserver silly [14:48] to remove it and store the removed package to /var/log/removed or where is it [14:49] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.186) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] store the removed package? [14:49] euzao (euzao@189.38.154.35) joined ##slackware. [14:49] /var/log/removed_packages [14:49] why don't you just keep packages in a dir somewhere? Or do I misunderstand? [14:49] the new ones [14:50] it should put that info in /var/log/removed_packages/ [14:50] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:50] it does that anyway [14:50] I see [14:51] ok, and what should I do when I remove the package which was part of the installation packages [14:51] or those which came with installation [14:51] pray [14:51] and want it back then [14:51] I have to download it again [14:51] install a new package thats updated [14:52] then you will need to install off the cd/dvd, download it, or use slackpkg [14:52] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.116) joined ##slackware. [14:52] slackpkg ? [14:52] yes [14:52] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-95-141.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:52] dive: didnt help... [14:52] :( [14:52] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and run 'slackpkg update' then 'slackpkg install packagename' [14:53] ok, I have always used name or "pattern" and it didn't find it [14:53] I did edit it [14:53] but what does the "pattern" mean ? [14:53] use of wildcards [14:53] the name of the package [14:54] like package-name* [14:54] well for example I want to install mutt I do 'slackpkg install mutt' or reinstall/upgrade [14:54] ok [14:54] if it doesn't find it then download it from a slack mirror [14:55] it doesn' work for mw [14:55] me [14:55] I have one of the 13.0 repository uncommented [14:55] in mirrors [14:56] it says the package list is missing, but it's ok, now I have time to find out, I was always busy :) [14:57] The_ManU_212, what does this output: 'head -n 270 /usr/share/alsa/cards/NFORCE.conf | tail -n 1' [14:57] aha, slackpkg update :) [14:57] omg [14:57] dive: [14:58] [~>$ head -n 270 /usr/share/alsa/cards/NFORCE.conf | tail -n 1 [14:58] device 0 [14:58] hmm [14:58] avo (salvia@destiny.mindvox.org) left ##slackware. [14:58] The_ManU_212, try playing something long and playing with alsamixer again. [14:58] I thought its either update package or install package [14:58] thanks guys [14:58] lisak, no 'slackpkg update' downloads package lists etc [14:59] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:59] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:00] lisak, you need to slackpkg update whenever there are patches etc announced [15:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:01] then you can usually run slackpkg upgrade or upgrade-all and check off the ones you want [15:03] The_ManU_212, if you still have no luck you need to get some help from alsa people I think. I am out of more ideas. [15:03] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [15:06] dive: played again with alsamixer, didnt help, i enabeld to view all audiodevices in systemsettings, spdif iec958 ans alc850 [15:08] The_ManU_212, #alsa maybe [15:10] do you have a front speaker panel or something similar that the output could be directed to? [15:10] well you said it works under windows, never mind [15:10] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:12] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] ShadowMona (~root@112.135.49.179) joined ##slackware. [15:16] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:16] ShadowMona kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [15:17] euzao (euzao@189.38.154.35) left ##slackware. 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[15:24] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:24] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:24] command not found: mail [15:24] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Client Quit [15:25] Nick change: The_ManU_212 -> The_ManU_212_afk [15:25] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:25] axius: didnt do a full install huh [15:25] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [15:26] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Axius: do "which mail" [15:26] ardya: no [15:26] mail not found [15:26] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86 -> hasanhabibi [15:26] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] yes you already said that. [15:26] install the nail pkg from n/ on the install media [15:27] or if you use slashpkg, install with that [15:27] Nick change: hasanhabibi -> Blue_Slacker86 [15:27] ardya: ok. [15:27] Action: ShadowMona looks like no answer now seeking to ask that question in #OpenGL [15:28] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [15:28] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [15:29] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [15:30] ardya: I did not found nail in that series. [15:30] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] sorry, mailx [15:31] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] adaptr, thanks for that kde 4.3.1 link+info, upgrade went smooth here. [15:32] mail is linked to mailx [15:32] asarch (~asarch@189.188.154.46) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [15:32] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:32] SlashQuit: ah, good to know :) [15:35] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:36] Nick change: The_ManU_212_afk -> The_ManU_212 [15:36] any idea what am i doing wrong ? [15:36] rsync -avz rsync://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware-current/ /mnt/mirrors/slackware-current [15:36] @ERROR: Unknown module 'slackware' [15:36] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: GoodBye - See you later [15:36] rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1503) [receiver=3.0.6] [15:37] the address is wrong [15:37] lisak, try: rsync -va rsync://mirrors.dotsrc.org::slackware/slackware-current/ /mnt/mirrors/slackware-current [15:37] the same [15:37] bah: I need to fix a windows computer, I'm on the slackware installer and I don't know what to do with the raid array (raid0 of course...): is it supposed to be recognized without anything? [15:38] nothing in logs, just this [15:38] lisak, and you're positive the URL is the appropriate rsync url? [15:38] with or whithout the trailing slash after the source [15:38] I tried 3 mirrors [15:38] lisak: seems that mirror doesn't offer rsync support for slackware. [15:38] http [15:39] I'll try one more [15:39] ftp [15:39] also: why would the ntfs-3g binary complain about the fuse module not being found if it's configured to use its internal copy of fuse? [15:40] slackie (~x@cb-217-129-171-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [15:40] slackie (~x@cb-217-129-171-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.116) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:41] finally 3 with errors and the one from http://www.slackwiki.org/Upgrading_Slackware [15:41] no output [15:41] no transfer [15:42] http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml <-- decent mirrors. [15:42] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:44] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:46] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-140-255.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:46] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:46] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:47] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:48] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-95-141.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:49] thanks, but no way...i tried 7 of them [15:49] nothing [15:49] but one gave me connection refused [15:49] ShadowMona (~ShadowMon@112.135.49.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:50] there's got to be something with rsync... [15:52] well so far all I have seen is one mirror, that doesn't even supported slackware as a rsync module. [15:53] slackie (~x@cb-217-129-171-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: brb [15:54] slackaholic (1000@187-25-160-21.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:54] I'm a complete raid newb but I have to mount a partition on a raid array: is mdadm --assemble the right way to do it? [15:55] lisak: try ... "rsync -av rsync.slackware.pl::slackware/slackware-current/ /mnt/mirrors/slackware-current/" [15:56] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [15:57] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:58] get 42.4 degrees cpu idle when only using this slackware as simple X app provider and fileserver ( samba and sshfs ) [15:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] odd thing is my apps are more responsive when tunneled over ssh and controlled than at the physical desk [15:59] I wish my temp sensors were that accurate [15:59] goarilla: which graphic driver? [15:59] Artio (~a@port-1595.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [15:59] nvidia [15:59] and ok, I'm giving up on raid >< [15:59] or nv? [15:59] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-165.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:59] propietary driver [16:00] and in terminal in X? or in the linux console? [16:00] and i do get yes on glxnfo | grep -i 'direct rendering' [16:00] glxinfo* [16:00] don't care about that [16:01] its proof of working opengl API acceleration in X [16:02] and? [16:04] slackie (~x@87.196.236.126) joined ##slackware. [16:04] goarilla, are you worried about 42° temp while idle? [16:04] CPU: 48 °C [16:05] 42 is pretty good imo [16:05] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [16:06] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:07] BP{k}, that's working, thank you [16:08] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [16:08] mine is 52 'C been running that way for a couple of years without a problem [16:10] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:11] thats nothing really, i have an old Yaesu HF rig that gets hot enough to fry eggs on and has some capacitors and tubes inside that hold enough charge to kill a person [16:12] Pig_Pen, your turn to make breakfast then ;-) [16:13] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:13] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.204) joined ##slackware. [16:13] MariaDB up and running \o/ [16:13] Is there any logical explanation why my fingerprint is not detected at all? lsusb doesn't seem to find it but it used to with the kernel with the Tasmanian devil logo (forgot kernel version, i think it was 2.6.29) [16:15] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Artio (~a@port-1595.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- [16:15] http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Making_Of_You.jpg / rated Rx, because you'll need a prescription. [16:15] i searched freshmeat.net a few days ago for fingerprint reader software and there is not much in the area of biometic software for Linux, i think a PAM module was all i seen besides a library [16:16] i'm not worried [16:16] i kinda cleaned it recently [16:16] 42 is good imo [16:16] better than mine anyway [16:16] Pig_Pen: I want to try fprintd but my device suddenly disappeared [16:16] but the cpu fan is noisy and it's speed cant be easily changed [16:17] i would rather have 50 idle [16:17] and 30% less noise [16:18] yeah silent fans are nice [16:18] is there kernel support for fingerprint readers? [16:18] my old desktop machine sounds like shake, rattle and roll [16:18] and it's winter here tho [16:18] and the first real winter i have ever seen ! and everyone in europe can accept that [16:19] there should be, like I said, with kernel 2.6.29 (the one with the changed logo) lsusb showed my device [16:19] now its gone and i just cant figure out the reason... [16:19] home baked kernel or living on the edge ( current ) Axtroz ? [16:20] current [16:20] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:20] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] then i can't really help you but it could very well be the kernel [16:20] you have a laptop with a fingerprint reader on it? but it is seen as a usb device even though it is embedded on the laptop near the keyboard??? [16:21] it was seen as an usb device [16:21] its normal to be like that [16:21] hmm [16:21] nothing in dmesg? [16:21] do other usb devices work ? [16:21] nothing concerning the fingerprint [16:21] yes [16:22] the simplest is a usb stick [16:22] my optical mouse my integrated bluetooth is found as a usb device and working properly [16:22] so it's a usb device that DOES need a driver [16:22] usb sticks and even a usb wireless card [16:22] those fingerprint reader devices have been around a while, seems like linux needs to play catchup on that [16:22] so its a kernel issue [16:22] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:23] it's like winmodems Pig_Pen [16:23] cheaply implemented hardware [16:23] yes yes yes [16:23] thats why i like intel network cards [16:24] gui_ap (~guilherme@189.111.34.107) joined ##slackware. [16:24] and hate realteks or atheros [16:24] biometrics are such a fail [16:24] goarilla, I find my netgear atheros connects much better and has more range than my intel [16:24] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:25] but the intel is built in so it's more convenient [16:25] biometrics are a fail because the average criminal will still dismember you first [16:25] but the biggest flaw in biometrics is that when someone's has been stolen they can't get new id [16:25] you don't even need to do that [16:25] all the biometric scanners are nothing more then cameras and voltmeters [16:25] what if they cut your fingers off when they take your laptop :p [16:26] yeah idd [16:26] they don't need to, they can fool the scanner with a picture of your fingerprints [16:26] but still dismemberment [16:26] yeah the smart ones [16:26] mythbusters managed it, so i don't know how smart you gotta be [16:27] they did it with a photo copier [16:27] you still get a lot of lowlives who'll end up in crime regardeless [16:27] who rather take your entire hand ... head [16:27] or ass [16:28] but anyway, its a dumb idea [16:28] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:28] facial recogniton has gotten a lot of better [16:28] they need to distinguish afro americans now you knozw :D [16:28] not really, they can be fooled by expressions [16:29] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:29] some states don't allow you to smile in your driver's license photo, so they can use the image for facial recognition, but they don't say that [16:30] i hope they implement facial recognition in food machines [16:30] and soda machines [16:30] soon ! [16:30] a fingerprint reader can be convienent, instead of typing in a password everytime for root or su or sudo just swipe a finger [16:30] true [16:30] but i would never do that [16:31] goarilla, pretty soon they will work out your weight and deny food to overweight [16:31] it's still something i 'should have' [16:31] well i guess as long as you don't ever touch anything around that a print could be lifted from, then it might work [16:31] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.21.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:31] instead of the 2 factor authorisation that you have now [16:31] second chin detected; access denyed [16:31] lol [16:32] :D [16:32] or\ [16:32] experimental ai [16:32] you should lose weight [16:32] asarch (~asarch@187.132.75.104) joined ##slackware. [16:33] you're not getting money for booze or food [16:33] here is a absaver [16:33] which cost you 380 euro [16:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.141.152) joined ##slackware. [16:34] or... instead of kicking out a candybar it kicks out a carrot or stalk of celery [16:34] i think most people don't participate in athletics because theres no immediate satisfaction [16:34] what ? [16:34] veritos (~veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:34] there are endorfines [16:35] you don't show up to a basketball court and start sinking 3 pointers [16:35] what about the satisfaction of winning? [16:35] many many endorfines [16:35] you don't start winning from the start either [16:35] it's fun [16:35] people who wanna succeed in a sport or enjoy the challenge are already motivated [16:35] well some do it and some have no interest [16:35] without such motivation, its easy to be discouraged [16:36] oef [16:36] i lose [16:36] i think if they were successful, it would be more rewarding [16:36] but workouts and practice suck [16:36] i've played organized sports my whole life, but most people i know wouldn't do it and don't do it [16:37] football has been known to cause brain damage, but colleges and the NFL has swept that under the rug because of all the revenue it garners [16:37] i've always worried about that [16:38] because you see all the retired players broken down by their 40s and 50s [16:38] damn i wished [16:38] i could have played ice hockey with my fellow students [16:38] yeah, i played from elementary school to college [16:38] heck yeah, a group of guys chasing after you and tackling you hard like that your head slamming on the ground (sounds like a recipe for brain damage to me) [16:38] and college scared me [16:38] i wished i had [16:39] because you make and take some vicous hits [16:39] but if you don't, you don't play [16:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:39] until grade 5 it wouldn't be a problem i would have been a STAR [16:39] i've walked around seeing green and yellow stripes in my vision from a hit [16:39] and you just hope no one notices your eyes are out of whack [16:40] that was your brain leaking out in to the inside of your eyes [16:40] yeah, it felt strange [16:40] like a 3d movie without the glasses [16:40] i usually see a black canvas and flashes then [16:40] just think Skywise if you stayed away from football you might be a genius [16:40] more of one, i still test at 165 [16:41] but i do worry about what damage may have been done, because it doesn't hurt at the time [16:41] when did you test it [16:41] last? about 4 or 5 years ago [16:41] because that scale is weighted and adjusted [16:42] i've always tested between 160 and 180 [16:42] they inflate those IQ tests if they want you to play college football [16:42] i wrote i stupid script yesterday [16:42] spend way 2 hours too long on it [16:43] but to be honest, lately i've been thinking my cognition has been getting better [16:43] i felt so down htne [16:43] what does it do? [16:44] shit is going down for me [16:44] i feel like either a part of the brain that was causing interference has died, or some new connections have been established [16:44] i started with not recognising a trapesium from a parallelogram [16:44] then stuff happened [16:44] lol [16:45] that sounds bad man [16:45] and i hade mistaken an elephant for the rare india female [16:45] that didn't work out [16:45] elephants got nice hips [16:45] yeah they do [16:46] isn't there some indian porn thats into elephants walking and such? [16:46] i dont want to know [16:46] yeah, i saw a video once [16:47] it was a bunch of shots of elephants walking away, shaking their booty [16:47] stuff like that is usually 2 much $animal for me [16:47] yeah [16:47] yeah, thank god youtube has comments or i wouldn't know known what it was about [16:47] and some of them wanted to mate [16:48] yeah, thats dreamin [16:48] veritos (~veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:48] and so the animal was walking around with an arm sized horny c*c* [16:50] Nick change: PancakeStaffer -> KB1JWQ [16:51] can we order pancakes over ham now? [16:51] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [16:55] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:56] snow_man (~nou@24-181-102-207.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:29] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:34] experience and knowhow is overrated :) [17:34] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE6D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:34] a little learning is a dangerous thing [17:35] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.204) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:36] heh, I just pictured EXTREME learning. It'll be in the X-games next year [17:37] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [17:37] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: GoodBye - See you later [17:42] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.15) joined ##slackware. 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[17:52] Guest6866 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:52] well, I can decode it but I don't get it ;-) [17:53] no I don't get them much nowdays [17:53] I'm thinking of getting implants just so I don't have that problem anymor e:) [17:54] mike_ (mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [17:54] urbandictionnary.com always helps =) [17:54] Wescotte, a/s/l? ;-) [17:54] don't get silicone, it turns hard eventually [17:54] Nick change: mike_ -> Guest28892 [17:54] yeah get bakelite [17:54] um [17:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] hi.. using flite with oss .. complains /dev/dsp is not accessable.. any suggestions [17:55] i was thinking saline [17:55] dive: even with implants I'll still be male :) [17:55] I don't want to know... [17:55] hah [17:55] i installed alsa-oss library wrappers [17:55] good night =) [17:55] Guest28892, yes it's because flite uses oss. There is an alsa patch but I've never found it works. Instead use aoss: 'aoss flite -t "this is a test"' [17:56] Nick change: Guest28892 -> cadmium [17:56] cadmium, ^^^ [17:57] thanks dive any way to run my program at a particular volume level ? [17:57] not from within flite I don't think [17:58] I don't know if aoss has any options like that. The man page might help. [17:58] AEnima1577 (clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left ##slackware. [17:59] now for cron time anouncing on the hour! [17:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:00] i think xclock will chime on the half and top of each hour [18:00] I use it to ammounce new email + which box it's in [18:00] wow the defult guy and flite sounds like he's half dead! [18:00] and new changelog for current [18:00] cadmium, yeah it's a bit harsh [18:01] i wrote a script to download my voicemail and just play it on my speakers and then delete my voicemail [18:01] interesting [18:01] i just got my nagios and asterisk set up to harras my NOC staff if we have critical network alarms.. [18:02] now i'm trying to patch flite in with agi asterisk scripts to play a bit of content on the phone calls [18:02] dive its nice cause i can see my vmail light on my phone blinking then i hit enter.. my voicemail playes and my phone vmail light stops blinking :) [18:03] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.20) joined ##slackware. [18:03] nice [18:06] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:07] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] madbear (~dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:11] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:20] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:20] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:22] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [18:29] anyone know how to get another voice on flite ? [18:29] ? [18:30] surgeon_ (xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:30] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [18:36] yeeesh, I haven't thought about flite in years [18:36] Action: Urchlay tries to remember [18:36] a different voice? [18:37] it's a speech synthesizer, he probably wants it to sound British and/or female (like Holly from Red Dwarf :) [18:37] Action: epoch recommends excessive smoking for a darth vader voice and a well-placed kick for michael jackson [18:37] oh, nevermind then [18:38] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:38] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:38] http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/doc/flite_8.html#SEC21 [18:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:39] specifically this bit: As of 1.2 initial scripts have been added to aid the conversion of FestVox voices to Flite. In general the conversion cannot be automatic. For example all specific Scheme code written for a voice needs to be hand converted to C to work in Flite, this can be a major task. [18:40] or, wait, that's talking about adding a new voice, are you wanting that or just to make flite use a different one of the voices it already comes with? [18:41] cadmium, ^ #hilight [18:41] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [18:42] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:43] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:44] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] GaRLiK (1000@host10-31-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Urchlay: Everybody wants their computer to sound like Holly [18:44] Myself included. [18:45] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] i'd rather have mine sound like marvin [18:46] My computer is depressed enough. "Compile... again? It's just gonna segfault again this time, why bother?" [18:47] Who's Holly? [18:47] red dwarf [18:47] This video should explain it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 [18:49] whats-her-name who played Holly on the show, still sounds just like that in person [18:50] how big is current ? 2,3gigs ? [18:50] lisak: 6 or so, if you get all the sources and such [18:51] lisak: are you looking to do the rsync + upgrade? [18:51] no longer fits on a dvd-5? [18:51] eviljames, yes [18:51] Good question... [18:51] my bad, 3.9 including sources. [18:51] it stuck source/kde/src/kdebase-workspace-4.3.4.tar.xz :) [18:51] on 2,3 gigs [18:51] and doesn't want to go on [18:51] it's bigger [18:51] lisak: rsync -azPv --exclude="source" rsync://[your favorite mirror]/slackware64-current . [18:52] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:52] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] lisak: rsync -azPv --exclude="source" --delete rsync://[your favorite mirror]/slackware64-current . (if you're syncing onto an existing tree) [18:52] I'm going to network-install one machine now and then upgrade [18:52] yah, I wouldn't bother with the sources unless you plan to actually use them (recompile stuff I mean) [18:52] john_dee (~bce@95-29-9-151.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:53] greetings [18:53] quicker just to download the ones you need one at a time [18:53] (source) [18:53] yep [18:54] greetings john_dee [18:54] I will admit to having rsync'ed a full copy of slackware64-13.0 including sources, but that's because I completely forgot I didn't need them :) [18:54] is it possible to continue from different rsync allowed server ? [18:54] what does virtualbox-ose needs to build on slack64? on slackbuilds it says that "it won't build on stock system" [18:54] *need [18:55] lisak: Shouldn't be a problem. rsync checks date, time and filesize to determine if the files are "the same". [18:55] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:55] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:55] john_dee: acpica for one [18:56] Unless I'm wrong about that and it actually does an end-to-end md5, but I think that's optional (if at all possible) [18:56] i didn't think vbox works on pure64 systems [18:56] with the same command ? [18:56] rsync -av rsync.slackware.pl::slackware/slackware-current/ /mnt/mirrors/slackware-current [18:56] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:56] as initially ? [18:56] Urchlay: and virtualbox-kernel. so it says. anything else? [18:57] Has anyone got any idea why my Fingerprint device just disappeared from the system? [18:57] not as wget :) [18:57] thrice`: it runs, not sure whether I compiled on pure 64-bit or not though [18:57] lisak: -z compresses in flight and -P shows you progress. [18:57] john_dee: not that I know of. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/virtualbox-ose/README just says acpica at build time and virtualbox-kernel at run time [18:58] Urchlay, you have a multilib system? can you run "file" on the binary of virtualbox? [18:58] thrice`: some versions of vbox want to build 32-bit guest drivers and such, and lack a --disable-guest-tools option, that's where the "won't work on 64-bit" comes from [18:59] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:59] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:59] /usr/lib64/virtualbox/VirtualBox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [19:00] hm, wonder why it's not stripped (used the SBo script to build it) [19:00] goarilla (~goarilla@50.249-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Urchlay: yup and there's a small note below. was wondering what that means :) [19:00] aobut to install xpra. hope there's an alien one or something [19:01] pretty excited to get to transplant gui apps between machines without vnc [19:01] guess i'll find out soon :p [19:01] Urchlay: some code (especially stuff that uses custom linker scripts and/or nasty hacks) dont tollerate stripping [19:02] btw, i see the changelog is frozen. so the current -current is much like what the next slack will be like? [19:02] john_dee: yeah, the build process wants to build 32-bit guest tools, with "gcc -m32", which it can't on a stock slackware64 box (and can't with alienbob's multilib stuff either, IIRC his scripts create packages consisting only of runtime libs) [19:02] frozen? [19:02] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:03] john_dee: -current isn't frozen [19:03] macavity: right now, I can't even run vbox (running a realtime-patched kernel, virtualbox's kernel module fails to load because it says it can't kill the NMI watchdog), or else I'd try stripping it & see. [19:03] Urchlay: alienBOB's fully fledged multilib packages include a cross compiler for 32 [19:03] eviljames, thank you, and the referenced pxelinux.0 for booting, what is that ? I can't see any file like this in any version [19:04] of slackware [19:04] hm, do they? in that case I ought to switch to them, I'm using fred's -compat32 packages (which do allow compiling 32-bit stuff, most of the time, but he doesn't seem to be updating them any more) [19:04] xover (~xover@86.160.171.236) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:04] lisak: in the folder usb-and-pxe-boot (or similar, can't recall offhand) there's a readme_pxe file. It will need to be served up over TFTP as I'm sure you're probably aware... [19:05] so am I supposed to rename it ? [19:05] Urchlay: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [19:06] lisak: If the readme says so, yes. I haven't bothered doing it this way, I usually usb boot the install image then mount NFS for the packages. [19:06] Urchlay: how are they built then? [19:07] lisak: I'm going to take off, so I won't be of any more use to you today. Hope the info I've given so far helps... [19:07] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] phrag: well, not much action there either. and it's been almost 6 months since the release of 13 so... [19:09] john_dee: now that I think of it, I'm deliberately running a really old version of vbox (2.1.4, because it performs better for the one game I actually use it to play). That version of vbox doesn't insist on building the guest tools, IIRC [19:10] macavity (~macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: zZzZzZzZz [19:10] dErFz (~derf@217.18.70.128) left irc: Changing host [19:10] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware. [19:10] (it might also be that newer versions have a --without-guest-tools or similar option that you could add to the ./configure options in the slackbuild?) [19:11] eviljames, it did, I'll figure out the pxe stuff, which is quite strange cause the pxe client is set for pxelinux.0 but next he talk about putting stuff to pxelinux.cfg directory [19:11] no problem, thank you [19:11] Urchlay: but you can stull use guest additions from PUEL version? [19:11] Urchlay: what game? :) [19:13] "Age of Empires: Rise of Rome"... from the ugly-duckling period of Windows gaming (early days of directx, only supports 256 colors) [19:13] it almost-but-not-quite works well enough to play in Wine, but it's actually faster in virtualbox or qemu (and doesn't have screwed-up colors like wine had) [19:14] dosbox + win95 :p [19:14] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [19:15] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Urchlay: aye. that's classics :D [19:16] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:17] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:20] asarch (~asarch@187.132.75.104) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [19:20] later ## [19:20] john_dee (~bce@95-29-9-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:22] does win95 really work OK in dosbox? I've only used it for plain DOS games [19:23] and would it be any faster than using vbox or qemu+kqemu? [19:23] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i have dosbox installed, i also have a copy of win95 , so i will find out in a minute [19:26] rockin' [19:27] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [19:27] I somewhere have a retail box win95 CD, but gods know where it's gotten to [19:27] i don't think it will [19:27] that would be cool if win95 would install and run within dosbox [19:27] i don't think you can run in protected mode [19:27] yeah, but its worth a try [19:27] there is a cool game on the win95 CD Hover! [19:28] Skywise: yea you can run win95 on dosbox: http://armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1725 [19:28] cool [19:28] you can run in protected mode, otherwise games like Doom or Blood wouldn't work (and I know Blood works cause I played it 2 days ago) [19:29] thats all you need then [19:29] oddly, Blood *won't* work in qemu (trying to run it or its setup.exe gives a divide-by-zero error and locks up the VM) [19:30] that's with MS-DOS 6.22 as the OS. It might work in my win2k install, but I'd expect rotten performance on a real machine with win2K trying to play DOS games [19:30] Hover plays in wine [19:31] Hover is an early directX game (real early, like 256 colors early) [19:32] AoE *plays* in wine, but most of the in-game text shows up in black (and sometimes that just makes it hard to read, other times it's black-on-black). Also it's really slow compared to playing in vbox or qemu+kqemu on the same hardware [19:32] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [19:34] which is weird to me, emulating a whole VM plus all of windows, should be slower than what wine does... but in this specific case, it's faster [19:35] Skywise is right, i dont think the win95 setup.exe will run within dosbox [19:36] GaRLiK (1000@host10-31-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:36] Pig_Pen: what about break19's link? [19:37] it will [19:37] tell setup to ignore the memory and scandisk checks. [19:37] so. i'm installing and playing with xpra. and i'm thinking, why do so few people use this? then i realize, it's a program to manipulate guis and switch an app's window to a diff machine... yet it's all command line based. [19:38] now i'm thinking i'd really like to build a frontend for it, make it the app it should be, allow you to drag the window to the other screen a la synergy's kb/mouse controls [19:38] i bet a lot more people would use it if you could just casually drag your x apps from display to display across multiple machines [19:38] not trapped in a box like vnc [19:39] or X forwarded which involves stopping and restarting the app [19:40] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] so how's that work, then? the app continues to run on the machine where you started it, but displays on the one you dragged it to? [19:40] yep [19:41] right now there's xpra that does it but is command line controlled [19:41] it's like screen for X apps [19:41] something like an X11 proxy? [19:41] but i want to just be able to drag them. i'm looking to build a frontend as a learning project, not sure where to start [19:41] good night lin-ux people. [19:41] and yes [19:41] exactly [19:41] well no. xmove is a proxy. [19:41] and is unmaintained for 13 years [19:42] xpra is up to date and uses the native x server [19:42] apps connect to xpra, from their point of view they stay connected to it...? [19:42] yep. then xpra forwards them to the target machine whenever you like. [19:43] nice [19:43] very. i didn't think it existed, no one in 3 linux #'s did either [19:44] does it also let you control multiple machines with same keyboard/mouse? [19:44] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] (if not, I probably wouldn't find it too useful) [19:44] i don't think it does that, but coupled with synergy you'd have that [19:44] synergy does that for my 4 machines perfectly. so just fwd the X app and it's complete [19:44] yeah [19:45] played with synergy some, need to set it up again. Got a laptop that's no longer mobile (no battery), with synergy I could use it as a secondary display more-or-less [19:46] with xpra it'd be even closer to a proper multihead setup [19:46] yep. good idea. synergy's and xpra's concepts seemed kinda obtuse and complicated to me, i was surprised hwo simple they turn out to be, especially xpra [19:48] i'm really surprised fewer people use it. i'm thinking if it were a gui app it'd pick up some users [19:48] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:49] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:50] hm, looking at its docs, it's early days yet [19:50] oh? didn't look/notice. cool, i'll bug the dev about something then. [19:50] militant: uhm, this xpra sounds interesting... [19:51] Have to take a closer look at it... [19:52] slysir (~mikpolnia@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] militant: Is is possible to start an app on a headless server, let it run, and then "attach" to it from a desktop, just like screen does? [19:52] yep. dev calls it screen for X [19:53] exactly [19:54] militant: sound cool. Just wrote a post about configuring screen on a (headless) server today on my blog :) I use that a lot for some apps... [19:54] interesting. xpra works by masquerading as a compositing manager [19:54] use the heck out of screen. found synergy randomly. screen for x struck me, and luckily it is recently available [19:55] bleah, that would mean I'd have to enable compositing, which IIRC causes major performance problems on that laptop :( [19:55] niels_horn: nx is one product that allows you to do that. we use it quite often for that particular task [19:56] starting app ABC on server X, detaching, and attaching again from any other location, at any later time [19:56] ananke: I know nx... faster than vnc... But for text-based programs screen is very nice. [19:56] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:56] niels_horn: indeed. nx is not screen. [19:57] ananke: But doesn't nx get the whole desktop instead of just one app? It had been some time since I used it... [19:57] niels_horn: it can be use for either. [19:57] ananke, you never had problems with nx? [19:57] you can do one app, you can do entire window manager [19:58] nachox: on rare ocassions i can't reattach to a session, that's about it [19:58] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE6D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] ananke: ok, didn't know that... [19:58] niels_horn: look under the options for a given connection :) [19:58] Action: niels_horn makes a note to self to study nx & xpra [19:58] on a completely unrelated note, i highly recommend monoprice.com :) [19:58] ananke: i didn't know you could do individual apps with nx. i hate apps in a box! that's cool though. how's performance, latency etc [19:59] ananke, running who showed users still connected even if they were long gone. that's what i am talking about [19:59] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] militant: initial connection takes a bit longer than one might expect. after that's estabilished, latency is very low, and performance is great. it's very usable over slow links [19:59] nachox: ahh. never noticed that [19:59] interesting. is it gui-managed? [19:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:00] what is there to manage? [20:00] militant: nx client is a small gui app. [20:00] i prefer command line for most things but since i'm trying to find a slick solution to a gui i/o problem, doing it from a keyboard is defeating the point [20:01] slysir (~mikpolnia@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: slysir [20:01] really. ok.. i will try xpra first just becuase it's new and really simplified, single-purpose, etc. nx is my backup then [20:01] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [20:02] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:02] anyone here using twinkler? i wonder what codecs i am supposed to have installed to make proper calls to landlines. i have an account in voipbuster (with money) and I wanted to use it. however, although sip:echo@proxy01.sipphone.com returns great test results, i am not able to make calls to landlines without sound annoying sound distortion or no sound at all. [20:02] if you're willing to pay, there are none free options too [20:02] *without annoying sound distortion [20:02] militant: nx sessions are icing on the cake. real beauty of nx is the protocol: you get a very responsive remote app. it's similar to rdp, and nothing like the clunky pure x11 or vnc [20:03] dtzWill (~will@99-4-167-164.lightspeed.caryil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:04] (and not twinkler, but twinkle( [20:04] i hate vnc. i only use it to fix synergy on my nearby machines :) [20:05] ananke, the other great thing is that it works over ssh [20:05] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [20:05] nachox: yep [20:05] so no need for extra open ports, etc [20:05] ananke: nx lacks one feature i value. dragging a window from one display to the other. xpra lacks that too, but i'm thinking that could be rectified reasonably easy. two different ways [20:05] hmmm xpra uses ssh also [20:06] xpra attach ssh::13 [20:06] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:07] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [20:08] ShadowMona (~ShadowMon@112.135.49.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:09] ananke, i heard google actually rewrote parts of freenx to make it even faster [20:09] nachox: yeah, they wrote their own implementation. although i haven't tried to compile their code yet [20:10] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE6D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:10] it uses part of the freenx stuff [20:11] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:12] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.20) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:18] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [20:18] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hmm, i see their svn tree is bigger. i think i'll compile it [20:25] macius (~macius@i209-195-66-36.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] Action: break19 pokes Cann0n [20:31] Anyone know a chunk of javascript code (or do browers just do this now) that lets you sort a table based on clicking on a column? [20:33] militant (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:34] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] newbie2020 (~newbie201@41.252.55.148) joined ##slackware. [20:35] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.6.209) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:36] rhys (~quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:43] Wescotte: You mean sort data locally? I don't think browsers do this. And probably there are snippets of code out there in javascript... [20:45] yeah dynamically.. I've seen it done but wasn't sure if it's an html tag/attribute or if it's javascripted based.. [20:45] thanks I'll google it again and see what I can find [20:45] Most pages would have a link in the column header that do a new select in the database, getting only so many lines, etc. [20:45] Wescotte: ok :) [20:46] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:46] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:46] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:46] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Wescotte: Here's a nice example: http://www.mattkruse.com/javascript/sorttable/ [20:49] niels_horn: thanks [20:50] aceofspades19 (~jordaneva@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:50] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.26.254) joined ##slackware. [20:50] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. 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[20:56] did somebody important die??? [20:56] me [20:57] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [21:00] we're all watching figure skating [21:00] Action: rworkman is watching Canada and Norway [21:01] Well, not really, but it's on television. :) [21:01] also Lost just started [21:02] dang olympics [21:02] snowboarding is on now [21:02] 2 effing weeks of reruns on the other channels [21:02] well on cbs anyway [21:04] bad enough that nbc has to go total olympic blackout [21:05] Yeah, I was disappointed to get a House rerun last night [21:05] man im way behind on house [21:06] we're getting a House rerun for 3 weeks in a row [21:06] starting this week [21:06] :P really blows [21:07] man i want to hump cuddy [21:08] cuddy? [21:09] don't we all [21:09] not I [21:09] heh heh :D [21:09] not my type. seriously [21:09] thts ok, ill take your hump [21:10] ew [21:10] I'd like to bend Cameron over [21:10] and 13 [21:10] ugh not 13 [21:10] something is wrong with her face [21:11] cameron used to bore me but since she got those hilights id hit her like she owed me money [21:11] I have a fix. [21:11] GooseYArd: yeah, she's sexy in a "she needs to hurt a little bit" way. ;-) [21:11] how about them thar oh-lympix [21:12] lol [21:12] ljsdofuynsdfufuh (~madtop@c-24-14-243-237.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] i can't wait until they start showing them [21:12] all i see are commericals and interviews [21:12] anyone here with raid experience? [21:12] Nick change: ljsdofuynsdfufuh -> qwer [21:12] unless its figure skating, i can't seem to miss that for anything [21:12] Panty raids [21:12] canadas currently kicking norwegian ass in hockey [21:12] i must have used 500 cans of wasp and hornet [21:13] jhw_ (~jhw@p5B3E7E24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] well, the problem is older install cds work, but newer kernels are detecting my hardware that supposedly works flawlessly in linux [21:13] lmao rworkman.... i was eating [21:13] hockey: the only thing Canadians are good at. :p [21:13] curling [21:13] I'm using a Hercules II sata controller : http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#marvell [21:13] The French Canadians are, in my experience, good at smelling bad. [21:13] <- So. Alabama redneck.. so fire away... :p [21:14] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] Action: rworkman <-- Tuscaloosa Alabama :) [21:14] haha [21:14] hello everyone [21:14] I was trying to use archlinux, but the only thing that would detect was an old slack cd - so i just burned the newest one, and it doesnt work [21:14] how utterly awful [21:14] qwer: what's the problem? [21:14] detection of the hardware I linked to [21:14] <== Oklahoma nerd... in the Hick capital of America [21:15] supposedly supported with "sata_mv" or "mvSata" [21:15] rworkman: you're a yankee compared to me.. Mobile. :p [21:15] Is selinux built into a default install of Slackware and if now how would I go about installing/enabling it? [21:15] nobody in oklahoma is smart enough to use a computer [21:15] man the hick count is way too high here [21:15] except me [21:15] im from WV [21:15] think i remember you from the flux channel rworkman, but not sure - either way your name is familiar enough to call you an awesome OSS supporter - thanks for your help [21:15] GooseYArd: oh, like YOU have ANY room to talk.. [21:15] chazbro: what part of okla? [21:15] chazbro: Lizella, Georgia would be Hick capital of the world. [21:16] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E58AE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:16] WV is a place that hicks get exiled to for being too hick [21:16] break19: no, you're a beach boy. :) [21:16] tulsa [21:16] mfillpot: no re selinux; good luck if you want to bother [21:16] i live way down south a few miles from lake texoma [21:16] rworkman: technically, I'm a swaprat. beach boys are from gulf shores and orange beach.. [21:16] claytones (~somebody@189-29-69-165-bp.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:16] qwer: no flux channel here. Yeah, sata_mv should support that; does it not? [21:16] I'm from Bayou la Batre actually.. so. yea [21:17] ah yes [21:17] rworkman: I have been figuring that since I could not find any trace of it in Slack that it may not be worth the effort to learn, but I want to try with it anyway... so a fedora VM is in for this test. TY [21:17] not sure how to troubleshoot it - like I said an old slack cd detects drives, new arch and slack cds dont [21:17] mfillpot: its a massive pain in the ass [21:17] omg... nothing more hich than a french hick from Bayou la Batre [21:17] hey, if anybody installed slackware over network please let me know.... [21:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:18] qwer: how old of slack cd? [21:18] qwer: and how new? [21:18] lisak: every time I install it, I do [21:18] french? *blink* [21:18] well I found an old 12.1 cd which worked [21:18] qwer: did you look for a sda instead of hda ? [21:18] 12.1 is good but 12.2 is better [21:18] I was first trying new arch stuff, but I figured that they messed up their kernel config or something - so I just burned the newest slack dvd, but same thing - no detection [21:19] rworkman: I bet its the -boot-load-size 4 thing [21:19] rworkman, I did everything as it's said in README_PXE.TXT [21:19] I'd see it if it were there [21:19] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Quit: quitting [21:19] not under any drive letter [21:19] but trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default and unable to locate configuration file [21:19] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [21:19] it is an sata controller after all [21:20] the tftp is set [21:20] and running [21:20] drive letter... hahahaha [21:20] but the pxe client can't see it [21:20] I stuck for an hour [21:20] Axtroz (0@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [21:20] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:20] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.192) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Axtroz kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: IRCing as root is dangerous. Please reference "IRCing as root" via google.com for further guidance. [21:21] rworkman, in.tftpd -v -s /tftpboot -r [21:21] I really don't know what should be wrong here [21:22] qwer: so the cd boots, but the drive isn't detected at all? fdisk -l doesn't show anything? [21:22] nope [21:22] hey what about those people who come here with Puppy Linux, arent they stuck in root? [21:22] does in the old slack [21:22] lisak: I've not set up tftp in a long time, but when I did, the howto you following was correct. [21:22] is it possible that it is trying to use the wrong driver? [21:22] chazbro: 'puppy' isn't slack [21:23] Hey phrag [21:23] yes but they might be trying to make the switch [21:23] XGizzmo: hey =) [21:23] militant (~militant@173.81.26.5) joined ##slackware. [21:23] XGizzmo: you good? [21:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:23] I just did "dmesg | grep "raid"" (though I'm just using jbod with software) - and I got "adaptec aacraid driver..." [21:23] Yeah.. cold beer == Happy XGizzmo [21:24] qwer: possibly. [21:24] supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 I'm using this to be specific [21:24] supposedly the best support, no idea what is going on [21:24] "Marvell Hercules-2 Rev. C0" [21:24] so it should be sata_mv [21:24] and the old slack disk shows sata_mv [21:25] in dmesg - and that was back when it was still beta I think - it is supposedly working great now, but it isnt detected [21:27] chazbro (chaz_broa@adsl-70-234-166-110.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [21:27] I'm not sure I completely understand the problem now, but I've got to go afk now for a while; sorry :/ [21:27] ouch [21:27] well, I dont get it either [21:27] how would you troubleshoot it? [21:28] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Axtroz (~metalgrid@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [21:29] chazbro (~chaz_broa@adsl-70-234-166-110.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] claytones (~somebody@189-29-69-165-bp.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:30] anyone else good with this sort of thing? [21:31] anybody know how to tighten up Fluxboxes grip when it comes to moving item on the desktop? [21:31] rworkman, so no clue ? [21:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:31] he left [21:31] lisak [21:31] what might be the problem [21:31] my problem? [21:31] sata controller detection [21:31] :)) [21:31] the mine [21:31] works on old slack cd, but no new distros, including slack [21:32] omg this day nothing works [21:32] i wonder if thats a kernel issue? [21:32] me, chazbro? [21:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:32] sata controller support [21:32] yeah, did you read all the stuff I said above? [21:32] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [21:33] not sure how to troubleshoot it, but i think I gave enough detail to start [21:33] i did... then opera cut out on me and i lost it all [21:33] opera? [21:33] lol [21:33] the web browser [21:33] yeah, i know, just never used it for irc [21:33] i know i know its closed source [21:34] ill message you so i dont have to spam the channel [21:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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As I was using my laptop everything froze with the caps lock light blinking. After a hard reset I ger lilo but after selecting any of the kernels nothing happens, not even getting two penguins. [22:12] How screwed am I? [22:12] no idea, more info needed [22:13] nothing happens as in blank but powered on screen [22:13] yeah, try a live cd [22:13] or usb [22:14] I agree - liveCd would let you test stuff easiest [22:14] I have the slackware dvd, maybe a knoppix somewhere [22:15] see if the slackware dvd will boot your installed system, read the instructions before it boots [22:15] okay will do that now [22:16] then run /sbin/lilo as root or su [22:18] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.83.145) joined ##slackware. [22:20] ok the slack dvd stopped at ACPI and so I tried the old knoppix and it failed with a blank screen just like the regular boot [22:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:21] Inwould have figured the the knoppix would have gone through if the hdd was bad. Perhaps it's something else? [22:21] clijunkie: laptop type? [22:21] lenovo z61p [22:22] raelakoira (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:22] reloaded_ (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] gnrp_ (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [22:22] akira42_ (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-217-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] glarb_ (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:22] Asmadeus_ (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. 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I dunno then [22:23] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [22:23] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [22:23] Dominian (dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:23] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [22:24] Nick change: Dominian_ -> Dominian [22:24] Axtroz (~metalgrid@77.78.15.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:24] gaz-_ (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Pig_Pen_ (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Client Quit [22:26] slackie (~x@87.196.236.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:27] clijunkie: any recent bios changes? [22:27] none at all [22:28] slackie (~x@87-196-37-93.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:28] It's halted at ACPI: Core revision 20081204 [22:28] using the slack dvd [22:28] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-217-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] haqe17 (~csujbc@joshua.dcs.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] Matt (~matt@spoon.pkl.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:28] Will the knoppix disk boot with the toram option? [22:28] grr my lame ass accidently formatted an important drive. mofo [22:28] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-190.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:29] just for shits n giggles.. pull the battery, pull the power cord, let it sit for about 10 minutes. put it back together, see if it boots. [22:29] peacedog: toram? [22:29] Nick change: PiterPun1 -> PiterPunk [22:29] my knoppix is pretty old [22:29] break19: [22:29] break19: I'll do that [22:29] knoppix toram should load the disk to memory which would bypass any bad hd issues. [22:30] It did seem to be running hot. [22:30] ^ useful info we needed earlier.... [22:30] heh [22:31] break19: my apologies it has run hot before when the thermal paste was old [22:31] I figured it was time to repaste again. [22:31] It was in the 80'sC [22:31] *blinks* [22:32] dude.. my wife's macbook pro hits 73C if she's encoding a movie, or playing some games..... and that sucker runs HOT [22:32] 80C+ ? insane [22:33] My desktop did that. [22:33] yeah that model has had heat complaints [22:33] Before I stuck a massive fan in it [22:33] I just use an external keyboard most of the time. [22:34] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:36] claytones (~somebody@189-29-69-165-bp.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:36] ivandi (~ivandi@bas2-quebec03-1176410735.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:37] night all [22:37] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:45] thank you [22:45] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:45] np [22:46] communicator (~abc@bl14-17-197.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: communicator [22:46] clijunkie: If it's running that hot, you might extend the life and avoid this problem in the future by taking it apart and cleaning it out. [22:47] peacedog: Will do and reapply that processor paste ;) [22:47] I've left my lappy on my bed many times. [22:48] thank you all [22:48] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:48] I serviced a lappy a while back that wouldn't boot, it was running hot. Took it apart and there was dust that had settled right around the processor. Cleaned that up/out and ran like new. [22:48] peacedog: how hot should a lappy run? [22:50] slackie (~x@87-196-37-93.net.novis.pt) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [22:50] NaCl: it depends on the processor [22:50] core2 duo [22:51] NaCl: Depends on the machine and environment. [22:51] On my desk [22:51] hrad (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [22:51] LOL, break19 beat me to it. [22:51] It is more or less idling at 43 deg C [22:51] that is not bad for a laptop [22:52] NaCl: my wife's core2duo can hit 72-73C under full load. but it usually operates around 50-60C [22:52] Any way to run wicd on slackware 12.2 which does not have the netdev group? I've added the netdev group manually and added my user to it, but wicd still gives me an error about netdev [22:52] wicd 1.7.0 that is [22:52] hell, my athlon64x2 tower system is running at 39C right now.. so.. yea.. 43C is pretty cool [22:52] break19: ah [22:53] break19: my desktop idles at 20 deg C. [22:53] wolven: uhm... [22:53] And you logged out and logged back in and reloaded dbus? [22:53] yes [22:53] wolven did you log right out of X and consoles, restart rc.wicd, and log back in? [22:53] hi, can I just put lilo into MBR when there is grub now ? [22:53] I?d have to be on a block of ice to get that cool [22:54] I'm reinstalling some ubuntu serve [22:54] r [22:54] clijunkie: same here.. [22:54] I'll give it one more go [22:54] like how a wonderbra shapes those titties [22:54] oh shit. [22:54] haha [22:54] uh ok [22:54] heh [22:54] wolven: uhm... check the dbus config file [22:55] ok, thanks. I'll have a look [22:55] I don't know what else could be going on... [22:55] wolven, you must log out of everything as well as restart dbus and rc.wicd [22:55] isBEKaml (keml@122.174.83.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:56] dive, Thanks it works now. I did a full reboot [22:56] dive: Don't know for sure about the restarting wicd part, but IDK. [22:56] dive: you were right. [22:56] cheers NaCl and dive [22:56] Kamel- (klo_008@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] np [22:57] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:57] Anyone here have experience using the Network UPS Tools? [22:58] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt7-port-31.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [23:01] can i take the risk ? just place lilo to mbr when there is grub > [23:01] Kamel- (klo_008@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:02] hrad, yes i think so [23:02] I know that somebody told me so [23:04] Axtroz (~metalgrid@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I've done it the other way around many times [23:05] Kamel- (klo_958@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Action: Delahunt refreshes his laptops to -current on LUKS+LVM [23:06] chess: ping? [23:07] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] might want to try in #sbopkg perhaps? [23:08] he's usually there [23:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:09] he's more likely to notice a message in there [23:09] dive: just "pinged" him in ##slackware, but no pong yet :) [23:10] niels_horn, this _is_ ##slackware ;-) [23:11] dive: 2am in the morning... mind melting... :D [23:11] I just though if you leave a message in #sbopkg he will see it at some point faster [23:11] hrad (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:11] 4am here and yes [23:11] I had a hosed system tonight to contend with [23:11] 06:11 here, i win :) [23:11] dive: I was talking in #slackbuilds so I managed to confuse myself [23:12] installed the wrong package of src2pkg and it broke all the package tool scripts, pkgtool, up/installpkg, slackpkg [23:12] sahk0: hahaha... I usually get up at 06am [23:13] too me a while to find the install/doinst.sh in / that was running [23:13] NaCl: Sorry I missed your ? earlier, typical rule of thumb is 30 - 50C, or 100 - 125F. That varies with the hardware and usage. [23:13] I'll try again tomorrow... I should go to bed really... [23:14] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] claytones (somebody@189-29-69-165-bp.cpe.vivax.com.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [23:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:21] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [23:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:22] panzer: eh, no problem [23:22] peacedog: rather [23:23] slackie (~x@87-196-37-93.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Axtroz (~metalgrid@77.78.15.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:26] NaCl: ? [23:28] niels_horn: I'm here [23:29] chazbro (~chaz_broa@adsl-70-234-166-110.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:30] dive: doing lots of paperwork this evening. just saw your post about your hosed system. back up and running again? [23:30] hitest, yeah found the problem [23:31] peacedog: sorry, I should have said "thanks" :P [23:31] src2pkg put an install/ directory in / [23:31] with a doinst.sh in it [23:31] and it was running every time I ran one of the package tool scripts [23:31] dive: good to hear you got it figured out:) [23:32] strange bug though [23:32] xskoulax (~Chris@sutton-family.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] yeah [23:32] macius_ (~macius@i209-195-94-119.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] how i can install bluetooth in slackware 13 and use phone gprs in my laptop [23:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-140-63.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:56] now i have need to find a prog to convert it apparently [23:56] macius_ (~macius@i209-195-94-119.cia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:57] break19: Took it apart, cleaned it, put new thermal compound on it and I'm holding at less than 50C [23:58] I got a free laptop that had cat hair jamming the fan. [23:58] Cann0n, cat hair or your pit hair ? [23:58] actually, it was pubes. [23:59] nasty [23:59] even nastier it was your mom's laptop jeev [23:59] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-48-41.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed Feb 17 2010