[00:00] Action: mishehu is likely to buy a house in the near future [00:00] I'm afraid of a 30 year debt. [00:00] well, the problem with 30-year debtps at our age is 'can our kids afford it afterwards?' [00:00] mishehu, understandable. but let me point out one thing, that right now to you is probably (from the movie Princess Bride) *inc-on-cee-vable* [00:01] well I'm probably not that old [00:01] you're my age, and even though _I_ plan on livving another 50 years, I still have to think about the kids [00:01] mishehu, there will be a day, and I promise you , it will come, that the mortgage you're afraid to take on now, will be less than the rent you pay now :) [00:01] Old_Fogie: you keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means [00:01] mishehu, haha [00:01] Old_Fogie: yeah, but I suspect that won't be for at least 15 years. [00:01] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-63-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] really, read that twice, it's no joke, it happends. [00:02] Old_Fogie: plus the taxes never go away [00:02] oh sure [00:02] but like I said, some day you sit back, read the paper, and scratch your head "Oh my! That's what an appartement costs these days" [00:02] besides - think of it as a somewhat stable investment. as long as you buy another house within 12-18 months of selling the previous house (and you live in it at least 5 years), it becomse an investment as well as a good down payment for the next house [00:02] so it will be a bit more of an undertaking than we have now with rentals. [00:03] rentals are only good if you don't plan on staying in the same geographical area for less than 5 years [00:03] alisonken1home: to a point on that one definitely. if I bought a house 5 years ago in chicago I might not make anything back on it right now. [00:03] thankfully I'm not in chicago anymore heh [00:03] bb [00:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:04] I did rent for a guy who owned a 48 unit rental building who never raised rent on people. meaning if you moved in 30 years ago, you were still paying $250/mo [00:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] heh funny that we're talking all about this in a slackware channel [00:07] and nobody's talking about slackware at all heh [00:08] So how do i install ubuntu? [00:09] superGear, the answer to that and more is in #ubuntu [00:12] mishehu, it happens.. [00:12] newbieslacker (n=luis@host190.190-229-102.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:13] hi [00:13] what better to use tagged(8021q) vlan or untagged vlan? [00:13] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-70-31.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] newbieslacker (n=luis@host190.190-229-102.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-6.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:20] bijit: with zero context, how are we supposed to answer that? [00:20] my opinion? get separate switches and do vlans the old fashioned way [00:20] its just a general question.. [00:21] i used both but dunno..maybe I must go read somemore [00:27] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-7-198.dsl.elltel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [00:28] Action: frullet has the flu :( [00:28] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] mmmmm [00:29] nadster (n=user@daphmb01dc1-215-217.dynamic.mts.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:32] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-6.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [00:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:41] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [00:43] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:49] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] evenin all. [00:51] good very late evening [00:51] as it is 22:51 [00:51] same here superGear. [00:51] some places it is morning! [00:52] Action: agentc0re can't sleep. [00:52] You're a mormon [00:52] I'm not [00:52] hell no. [00:52] Action: agentc0re slaps superGear [00:52] We all know everybody in Utah is a Mormon [00:52] gimme a wife please [00:52] sure, we all saw Orgazmo [00:53] So how is agentc0re ? [00:53] bleh.. if that can describe much. [00:55] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [00:55] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-14-58.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] haha, Mother lover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbSBPEVZi-E [01:00] that's great. [01:05] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:06] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:07] 6:06am. Why am I still up? [01:07] hey dive. [01:10] dive, your clock is wrong [01:10] hi firebird619 [01:10] Sat May 16 01:10:31 EDT 2009 [01:10] hmm [01:10] Action: dive updates time [01:11] offset 0.3 secs [01:11] but I have to move to usa now [01:11] damn [01:12] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:12] dive, nonsense, just live on USA time [01:12] like the rest of the internet [01:12] specifically EST [01:12] i think i already do [01:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [01:13] up all night.. [01:13] good [01:14] lol [01:16] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [01:17] hey, i have an problem, i wanna install slackware 12 on dell xps m1330 but when i type cfdisk for format, a message appears that says "read only" [01:18] hmm, the internet is a lot better after everyone leaves school, lol [01:21] exbio, hwo are you running 'cfdisk' [01:23] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:23] hum i dunno undertand, what do you mean with "how"... [01:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:26] _guitarm1n_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] exbio, are you running it such as 'cfdisk /dev/hda' or just 'cfdisk' [01:33] just cfdisk ! [01:34] exbio, try specifying a disk ;) [01:34] n.n [01:34] exbio, I'd suggest you launch cfdisk with a /dev/hdXXX where hdXXX is your device; whether it be /dev/hda or maybe /dev/sda. look thru 'dmesg', or fdisk to see what you got. [01:34] but the, only read... that is? [01:35] Or just use fdisk :P [01:35] exbio, with the install cd, you're supposed to be logging in as root. so it's not a perm's issue. your cfdisk doesnt see your drive I think.. is it a parrallel (old fashioned) hard drive, or a newer 'sata' type [01:36] ok, i try thx for you time :) [01:36] exbio, yw [01:36] exbio: are you running cfdisk from the same drive you booted from? [01:36] oic, yep i loggin in root. but the i cant write on Hd [01:37] yep [01:37] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [01:37] cfdisk won't do anything to mounted drives. if you want to do something with /dev/hda - you have to boot from a live CD or some other drive, then don't mount /dev/hda [01:38] it keeps you from screwing your running system that way [01:38] alisonken1home, I believe he said he's using the 'install cd' so cfdisk is fine for that. [01:39] yeah, but this is good idea n.n thx alisonken1home [01:39] Old_Fogie: hmmm - I only see where he says he wants to install slackware - not how he booted [01:40] exbio, are you using the install cd? [01:40] yes [01:40] you dont need a live cd then. cfdisk is fine. [01:40] exbio: your welcome - and if you're following Old_Fogie's advice, it's best to specify the disk when you launch cfdisk [01:40] you need to point it to your device tho, you didnt answer me before tho, is it a "sata" drive or what [01:40] ? [01:40] ye sis sata [01:40] sry [01:41] they try "cfdisk /dev/sda" [01:41] yar [01:41] ok [01:41] Old_Fogie: I though pirate day was last month :) [01:41] i going to try again thx for all [01:41] alisonken1home, I'm practicing :) [01:42] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) left ##slackware. [01:43] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:43] hi. I've recently been getting confused with packages. I understand that package dependencies are not addressed in technical means -- someone earlier mentioned that any admin should be aware what custom packages he's put on the machine (I personally find that to be bad advice - it gets to be pretty hard, if not impractical to keep track of large number of packages). Anyway, what does the slackphilosophy dictate? What's considered good package-mai [01:43] ntenance habits by you guys? noting down these things in a text file or something? [01:44] just look at the requirements for the new package, then 'ls /var/log/packages" to see if it's installed properly [01:45] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) joined ##slackware. [01:45] (assuming you used slackware packages for everything :) ) [01:45] alisonken1home, isn't that very messy? when you remove it, the unneeded package will remain there [01:45] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:45] nope - when you 'removepkg xxx" - it's taken out of there as well and moved to /var/log/packages/removed [01:46] alisonken1home, no, I mean the dependancy package that you may have had to install [01:46] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [01:46] that's what package managers would also remove, I think [01:47] the flip side is some package managers do an inadequate job of verifying that no other package relies on the removed package [01:47] I would've thought that package managers by this time would have been optimized enoughly so to work out most of the worry quirks [01:48] I dont want a "package manager" dictating what I can and cannot install, and when, and what I should and should not have. [01:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] Old_Fogie, they do that now these days? :P [01:49] Old_Fogie: +1 [01:49] There still, to this day, is no "package manager" that also has "dependency checks" that allows this. [01:49] That just to me sounds like the definition of a BAD package manager [01:50] noone has made a depend's manager for a 'package manager' that allows for enuff freedom. [01:50] To all of us who use slackware, that is a GOOD package manager. [01:50] that's my opinion anyway. :) [01:51] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] slackware's a fantastic "package manager", it's fast, you can open it with a simple tar program, even on windows. I could go on and on. [01:51] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] For example my experience with Debian, you chose to install one thing, it installs a ton of other things. You try and remove something (i.e. swfcodec) and it wants to remove gnome. It's rediculus. Slackware handles things in a much better way and I AM in control of what goes in and what comes out. [01:52] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:53] s/rediculus/ridiculus [01:53] firebird619, right, there is no freedom for the admin on that. what's more, it's very cumbersome for a dev too. [01:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-52.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:53] No freedom whatsoever. You're at the mercy of the package manager. [01:53] is there really no freedom? That's odd.. there's no way to overturn or force options on popular package manager these days? [01:54] I do love the "nowadays" argument tho. I've seen that for "Slackware should do my xorg.conf for me nowadays" or "Slackware should auto do my wireless for me nowadays".. :) [01:54] In some cases, maybe, but for the most part, no [01:55] I've made an internal symlink in my head when someone says "Slackware should do XYZ like other distro's ...nowadays" to "I dont feeling like learning XYZ" [01:55] When I install Slackware on my system, I want it to make me eggs, toast and bacon every damn morning! That's right! :) [01:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:55] sorry Ficthe but that's really how I feel, I'm not trying to be mean. but Slackware is not for new users, and it's not intended for 'mass adoption' and 'hand holding' [01:55] Old_Fogie: yeah, but it seems like with some distros that *auto* config something, it also seems like the ability to do-it-yourself is taken away. [01:56] Old_Fogie, no need to be sorry - I'm only playing the devil's advocate here to get some insight how you guys deal with package management. [01:56] +on [01:57] Slackware does things differently, and imho better. Slackware is not for everyone, and for those who don't like it, there are several other distros to try. [01:57] Ficthe, well I do pay attention to 'ldd' and 'objdump' as would any advanced/or semi-advanced, or intermediate level user would. that's just common sense. I do have a database for my stuff. But I really love the freedom to install/remove at will. Or script my installations, to be custom. [01:58] Ficthe, the packages list in /var/log/packages, which a simple "ls /var/log..." passed to some script can help manage "what's onboard" and then compare to some master list you have, well then you know what needs an upgrade. [01:58] Slackware gives you the basic, excellent tools, and leaves the rest to you, the user, thus you're in control. [01:58] Ficthe, see the fact that the package manager just get's them in / out allows me to develop a system for my needs. [01:59] and my needs aren't the same as firebird619's [01:59] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [01:59] and that's the problem, how does some distro predict what everyone needs [01:59] firebird619: s/you the user/your the admin/ [01:59] there really is no one size fits all. the other distro's you for the most part, take it or leave it. and with slack, you make it what you want. it's a refreshing change imo. [02:00] alisonken1home: thanks. :) [02:00] it can't, therefore, you have the freedom to try out as many distros as you like to find the one that suits you best :) [02:00] and I've tried many [02:00] and here I am in slack and with one other favorite [02:00] :) it was a long journey but I'm glad its brought me here [02:00] i tried a bunch and then i started to slack off...i mean really..I just got lazy to try out many more, so I stuck with slackware [02:01] Ficthe, does that kind of make sense, the general approach how I do it? [02:01] and i like the channel here too [02:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] I've been digging on virtualbox, a lot, because I can install and taste-test while doing other things sitting here. Not like I am wasting time with a whole other tower [02:01] slackmagic, the people here, and on lq truly helped me out a ton. [02:02] go hang out in #ubuntu, and it's like you're watching a waterfall of words at lightening speed! [02:02] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Old_Fogie, yes i think so - (I'm still an unexperienced nix user in the larger scheme of things, I should have said) [02:02] Old_Fogie: Yep. I totally agree with you there. [02:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:02] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:03] Ficthe, man it's ok. we all been there, wondering how people here, do what they do, and swear by it. I've had times that I thought they were nuts. It's ok. I'm still not sure about rworkman tho :) but yea, we all been there. [02:03] Action: Old_Fogie hides :) [02:04] Action: rworkman es muy loco. [02:04] rofl [02:04] hahahah hey man :) [02:04] haha :) [02:04] Ficthe: as probably one of the users least familiar with slackware in this channel, I can tell you that I do sometimes get frustrated with the dependency thing because I was spoiled with so much automation for most of my last 8 years in linux. But it's very true what they said that other package managers can pull in all sorts of cruft you don't need [02:04] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:04] :) [02:05] Ficthe: and I can testify to this: my slackware system is solid. I mean I never have the oddities I've had in other systems. [02:05] they just aren't there [02:05] it's been nearly a year and it hasn't broke yet, and I am a tinkerer--the kind that breaks things [02:06] so for me, it's a worthy trade off; less automation, more stability, smaller footprint, more knowledge. [02:06] but as with all linux, it should be about what works for *you* [02:06] in the year that I"ve put a 70yo on slackware, he's only called me once [02:06] maybe its slackware, maybe its not. [02:06] and that wasn't a slackware issue :) [02:06] Ficthe, if when/you get time right. Take a look at the xfce.Slackbuild script , whether it be --current, or 12.2. My reasoning is, look how the author leverages, for $foo in foo do foo. Using the bash language to repeat and loop to achieve some goal. That is a very basic premise that an admin can use to automate somthing. You'll find that the simple logic in that script, you can use for upgrades, or installing things fr [02:06] om scratch, or like that script does building things , in a predetermined order. Comptuers are smart, but only if you tell them what to do. So learn some basics of the language that Slackware can use, here we use bash alot, and go from there. [02:06] hah, I've got a few - I assume they're mostly due to mismanagement of many things (which makes sense -- I really have poked around a lot with it). I intend to install 12.2 and try to set it up as neatly as i can [02:07] http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86238/sony-ceo-the-internet-nothing-good-has-ever-come-out-of-there/ [02:07] Wow... [02:07] if you wait a couple of months, the next release should be out [02:07] yeah I'm still on 12.l, mainly because I don't have as much time as I used to and I'm not looking forward to having to fix anything after an upgrade [02:07] cool, slack 13 then. :) [02:07] slack 13 in a couple of months? [02:07] will I be able to go from 12.1 to 13? [02:08] briareus: most likely from 12.1 to 12.2 and then to 13 [02:08] ah crap [02:08] ok [02:08] :) [02:08] I'll wait til then and do both [02:08] or backup your config's, format reinstall [02:08] this *works* so I'm in no rush [02:09] either that, or keep /home on a separate partition and format root [02:09] agentc0re: yeah I tend to do that every so often anyway, and I run a lot of partitions [02:09] that's what I do [02:10] Old_Fogie, aye, it's good that I'm taking the time to learn bash these days then. [02:10] yeah I have 10 partitions on this laptop, 6 of them for the system itself, the others for music and movies and vm's [02:10] Ficthe, yea without a doubt. [02:10] Ficthe: oh yeah [02:10] Sashi (n=Sashi@S0106001310a00123.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] this is how I roll http://pastebin.com/m525e290a [02:12] reinstalls tend to be easy, I just have less time since I acquired more hobbies [02:13] Action: briareus gives the finger to the Primary Partition "/ [02:13] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] I don't think you have enough partitions. [02:15] me neither [02:15] briareus: all that on a 160gig hdd huh? :) [02:15] I've had 40 on one machine [02:15] Action: agentc0re jaw drops [02:15] ffs, why the hell... [02:15] wee. Bios device code 0x80 is being used by two disks [02:16] I've had 40 partitions (that was when I was learning to multiboot and had a scheme like you see there but for EACH of 8 linuxes on the machine) [02:16] plus an XP and a win98se [02:16] my main boot drive was sdb. moved boot to it [02:16] now lilo runs [02:16] slackmagic: it works for me :) [02:17] briareus: glad it does because that's all that counts [02:17] slackmagic: next tiem around, I'll make more for each vbox3, 4, etc [02:17] I gave 10GB to each virtualmachine [02:17] probably overkill but memory is cheap now, and I *never* fill drives [02:17] http://pastebin.com/m3ea9b426 <-- my fdisk -l -- I still remember, 6 months ago I came here asking for a good partition scheme. I finally went with alisonken1home's suggestion (and that's what you see there :)) [02:17] I have a 40 gig machine from 2001 that I have not filled up [02:18] fwiw, your last few partitions are going to be writen closer to the spindle of the HD meaning that it's going to be slower to access data there. [02:18] yeah, I put swap up front for that reason [02:18] Ficthe: sda4 your /home? [02:19] briareus, yep :) [02:19] and sda1 = /boot ? [02:19] yep [02:19] :) [02:20] probably should have put that there like you - here, fwiw http://pastebin.com/m5654115c [02:21] 500GB nice, my next setup will rock a drive like that or more [02:21] did you see those hp laptops that can run 192GB RAM? [02:22] I was like .... !!! .... [02:22] WillieWanka (n=alexei@adsl-190-34-204.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] I think it was 16 banks that can accomodate a 16GB RAM board or something like that [02:23] can't imagine what I'd need that for. [02:23] just for geek points I suppose. My needs are heading the other direction, netbookish [02:25] http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=2617 <-crazy [02:25] what do you do with it? [02:25] what is it? [02:26] "Cisco unveiled blade servers that reportedly can handle 384GB of DDR3 memory per blade." [02:26] dayum [02:26] that link? just a normal looking Dell tower that can sport 192GB of RAM [02:26] wooptie doo [02:27] might help the performance of EVE online :) [02:27] heh [02:27] I was really disappointed to hear lenovo's laptops having poor support for linux in the future.. especially because I was considering an X series thinkpad within an year [02:28] Ficthe: I've got a new T400 on the way; I'll let you know how that goes. [02:28] http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2009/05/09/lenovo-on-the-future-of-the-netbook/ [02:28] Well, it ships on 5/25 [02:28] Hi rworkman. How are you? [02:28] rworkman, thanks, I'll be looking forward to it. [02:28] Ficthe: broke :) [02:28] another new toy! [02:29] I *so* wanted to beg for donations, but I decided to just suck it up instead. [02:29] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [02:29] :) [02:29] hey, if M$FT actually makes a contender of an OS, good for them, it would be about time. But I'll always prefer peeking under the hood. [02:29] rworkman, yeah but what do you have to buy the wife for you to get your new toy :) [02:29] rworkman, T400 is the laptop of #slackware - many slackveterans here have it, correct? [02:29] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-189.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Old_Fogie: lol [02:30] rworkman: put up one of those ...word is escaping me... one of those bar graph thingies with paypal or whatever so you can beg for $ [02:30] I bet it's sexual servitude [02:30] ! [02:30] :O [02:30] Ficthe: No, I believe you're thinking of the T4? series [02:30] T41, T42, T43, ... [02:30] My T41 died. [02:30] It died completely? [02:30] What went wrong with it? [02:31] it died? well that's BOB's way of saying dont run ubunut [02:31] lol [02:31] lol [02:31] briareus: well, it's tough to separate "me" from "rworkman@slackware.com" - and I don't want to give the impression that the second one is asking for money. [02:31] WillieWanka (n=alexei@adsl-190-34-204.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] ah [02:31] Ficthe: several hardware problems popped up in the last month or so [02:32] Ficthe: integrated nic causes kernel panics if the module is loaded; backlight inverter is dying *fast* -- the backlight won't stay on more than 10 seconds or so -- a few other things. It's just not worth the hassle any more. [02:33] how old was it? [02:33] or just heavily used [02:33] I've got a new inverter for cheap on ebay; I'm going to put it in there, install XP, and try to get a little money for it on ebay [02:33] briareus: I bought it refurb'd from IBM, and I've had it for 3 years or so, and it's been a workhorse. [02:34] I got my $380 worth out of it - htat's for sure. [02:34] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [02:34] I don't know about lenovo, but all the IBM stuff I've had (I have old ThinkPad 390s running debian and slackware) are solid. [02:35] The Lenovo Thinkpads I think are very nice and solid as well from what I've read. [02:35] Anyway, I wasn't (and still ain't) where I can plop down $800 for a new laptop, but Lenovo has a *nice* sale on them right now and a 6-months-same-as-cash deal, so I'll pay it off in six months and move on. [02:35] briareus: definitely - I'm on an *old* T30 now, and it's still kicking hard for its age. [02:36] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:36] I *could* make do with it, but it's not actually mine (it's borrowed from my employer, and they don't care for linux on their stuff), and doing devel work (lots of compiling) isn't exactly pleasant on it. [02:37] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.251.189) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Alot of laptops, even the P&R ones on ebay seem to go for decent money, most over $100. [02:37] you'll enjoy it when you get it, especially if you are compiling and its dual core [02:37] it is :) [02:37] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Okay, I put /sbin/bootchartd in the initrd line.. [02:37] and var/log/bootchart.tgz is *not* created [02:37] what are your thoughts on refurbished hardware? [02:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [02:37] I checked dmesg and I dont see any messages related to bootchart.. [02:37] is there anything I'm missing? [02:37] firebird619: oh, sure. If I weren't doing devel work, I'd just stick with the T30 - I'd have no reason for anything newer. [02:37] redtricycle: me too, I was wondering about that [02:37] Ficthe: I've had good luck with it -- this T30 is a refurb from IBM too. [02:37] they seem okay to me, especially as some come with long warrantees [02:38] This is the bootchart package from Slackbuilds, btw [02:38] redtricycle: I just looked for my bootchart last night and found it wasnt made [02:38] redtricycle: I noticed before I slept, I havent yet looked by [02:38] Our school district acquired *lots* of T30's on a off-lease refurb program, and so far as I'm aware, *all* of them are still kicking. [02:38] why* [02:38] briareus: I'm reading through bootchartd [02:38] and it mounts a temp system in /mnt [02:38] I wonder if that has anything to do with it.. [02:39] briareus: http://fixunix.com/slackware/512309-bootchart-problems-slackware-12-1-a.html [02:39] maybe? [02:39] they mention making an "initrd" [02:40] redtricycle: wait, maybe I'm doing this wrong. The .tgz is made as well as the .svgz right? [02:40] briareus: Doing what wrong? [02:40] I'm under the impression [02:40] that all it makes is a tgz [02:40] and then it generates the svgz when you run bootchart [02:40] /usr/bin/bootchart, that is [02:40] not bootchartd [02:40] I'm sure it used to work for me, I've seen the chart the fist time I ran it [02:40] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [02:40] bootchart works fine for me. 28 second boot time. [02:40] I think I was trying bootchartd [02:41] firebird619: did oyu need to do anything special? [02:41] Btw, I have a custom kernel [02:41] geez i appologize if i went in and out today our internet sucks when we have freezing rain [02:41] firebird619: are oyu using the huge kernel? [02:41] redtricycle: I'm using a custom kernel. I just added a line to lilo.conf and it worked fine. [02:41] Hey nix_chix0r. How are you? :) [02:41] redtricycle: I don't have a bootchart (at least not in 'which bootchart') [02:41] firebird619: dang. [02:41] omg firebird619 next weekend i get to drive his dads camaro [02:42] briareus: weird, I have a /usr/bin/bootchart, but I think the Slackbuild script created one for me [02:42] hmm [02:42] nix_chix0r: WHAT....seriously? [02:42] it's a 92 camaro with like a million speakers [02:42] :O [02:42] 550hp [02:42] I was reading through the slackbuild script, and all /usr/bin/bootchart does is set the path and run "java -jar /usr/share/java/bootchart.jar" [02:42] with out nitrious [02:42] Action: firebird619 envies nix_chix0r [02:42] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [02:42] nix_chix0r: gosh you're lucky. [02:43] firebird619: I wonder if I disabled something I should've have when I built my kernel [02:43] MrDudle (n=MrDudle@unaffiliated/mrdudle) joined ##slackware. [02:43] firebird619: dang, this isn't going to be fun debugging... [02:43] Action: nix_chix0r dances [02:43] I'll be back [02:43] I'll try bootchart with the HUGE kernel [02:43] what is the wireless support like for slack? [02:43] and see if it works [02:43] oh firebird619 i actually got a paycheck becuase today was payday and i started on monday [02:43] MrDudle: Good, except the wireless.conf confuses the heck out of me.. [02:43] nix_chix0r: sweet. [02:43] redtricycle: I don't see a bootchart for slackbuilds, at least not at slackbuilds (but I'm 12.1 [02:43] MrDudle: I can get automatic logins working on some cards, and not others [02:44] briareus: 12.2 [02:44] k [02:44] briareus: has bootchart [02:44] ty [02:44] redtricycle: ah, there is a bootchart slackbuild but only for 12.2 [02:44] briareus: I'm going to be back [02:44] I installed mine manually [02:44] redtricycle: all I did was add init=/sbin/bootchartd to the append line in lilo.conf. [02:44] briareus: Ill try it with the huge kernel [02:44] firebird619: ya, thats what I did too [02:44] firebird619: I'm thinking I disabled something in my custom kernel that you didnt [02:44] nix_chix0r: I'd say your having a great week. [02:44] redtricycle: I'm not sure what that'd be, but anything's possible. [02:45] firebird619, best week in a while [02:45] he's letting me sleep tonight [02:45] redtricycle: When I compiled the kernel I used slackware's huge smp config. [02:45] nix_chix0r: glad to hear you had a good week. :) [02:45] okay, brb [02:45] with slackware can i choose between gnome and kde or is it just kde [02:46] MrDudle: gnome is not included in Slackware. [02:46] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.251.189) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:46] MrDudle: You can pick from KDE, fluxbox, fvwm, xfce, and a few others. [02:46] thanks firebird619 [02:46] MrDudle: your welcome [02:46] Action: MrDudle will have to live with kde :( [02:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] i heard about slackware today so i decided to try it [02:47] MrDudle: take a look at dropline gnome if you have your heart set on gnome.. [02:47] nah [02:47] it's not set on gnome [02:47] gnome is just what i'm used to [02:47] ubuntu fedora debian etc [02:48] fair enough [02:48] but i'm open to new things [02:48] that and food [02:48] Action: MrDudle glares at his friend for not providing nomables [02:49] Action: nix_chix0r passes a bowl around [02:50] :D [02:50] nix_chix0r: what's in the bowl? [02:50] :P [02:51] fruit loops [02:51] zomfg [02:51] fruit loopsssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:51] chopp: Mmm :P [02:52] hehe [02:52] not quite [02:52] so what's the code to get root and install things on slackware? i know fedora is yum is their som ething similiar for slack? [02:52] Action: nix_chix0r puts on sublime [02:52] i'm waiting for my ruca fosho [02:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.136.55) joined ##slackware. [02:53] ...sad, it didnt work [02:53] MrDudle: slackpkg, pkgtools, installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg. :) [02:53] redtricycle: :( [02:53] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [02:53] ty [02:53] MrDudle: Also note that slackware doesn't resolve dependencies like fedora and debian/ubuntu do. You take care of dependencies yourself. [02:54] redtricycle: have you read the directions in the README? I'm trying to render the chart that way, but I apparently don't ahve a java something [02:54] k [02:54] MrDudle: Also, a good resource to learn is www.slackbook.org [02:54] briareus: I read the README [02:54] briareus: but step two is: Verify that /var/log/bootchart.tgz exists [02:54] Action: MrDudle wonders if he'll have wireless auto on slackware like fedora and ubuntu [02:54] So, I'm stopped right there [02:54] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [02:54] yes, redtricycle mine exists [02:54] MrDudle: I think that depends on your wireless card [02:55] redtricycle: I thought it didn't, I was looking at the 0 byte file .svgz [02:55] k [02:55] MrDudle: For example, on my laptop, I have a Broadcom card [02:55] nix_chix0r: its a toss up who has the worst connection, you or neonflux. From what I've seen of yours it sucks rain *or* shine. ;) [02:55] MrDudle: and I cant get auto to work on that... [02:55] MrDudle: but on my desktop I have a ath card, and everything works great [02:55] well hopefully i can get it auto cause i'm without my ethernet cord [02:55] redtricycle: what issue are you having exactly with bootchart, you're just not seeing it during startup? [02:55] MrDudle: by auto, I mean, after I've configure the files [02:56] k [02:56] MrDudle: you're still going to need to configure your wireless.conf [02:56] chopp, you're right [02:56] kk [02:56] firebird619: /var/log/bootchart.tgz does not exist [02:56] firebird619: That's the symptom...as to the issue, gee [02:56] firebird619: I don't know why it doesnt exist [02:56] firebird619: I dont have any error messages... [02:57] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-52.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] redtricycle: Is there anything pertaining to bootchart in /home? [02:57] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-52.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:57] firebird619: No, nothing [02:57] redtricycle MrDudle for the lazy people, I find wicd (on /extras) to work extremely well [02:57] redtricycle: well I have a different problem, unable to render the chart, but we share no bootchart. [02:58] redtricycle: and the website only times out on rendering my chart [02:58] briareus: well, it's okay ;) [02:58] briareus: at least someone shares my pain [02:58] so I have no way to render mine either [02:58] and by that I mean: not touching any config files, firing up the program and connecting right away to the wi-fi [02:58] even though I do have a .tgz being made [02:58] redtricycle: and you have the deps installed? (I'm sure you do but just asking) [02:58] wamaral: I prefer the config files...because if I have to start wicd [02:58] wamaral: I might as well write a script to just login wirelessly [02:59] firebird619: yes, i have have the deps [02:59] firebird619: and it's worth asking [02:59] Okay [02:59] I think I might have found my problem [02:59] I put initrd=/sbin/bootchart [02:59] not init=/sbin/bootchart [02:59] bootchartd* [02:59] Let me try that [02:59] redtricycle I imagined you would, however (again for the lazy people), it comes with an rc.d file so it's started on boot [02:59] redtricycle: that would do it. [02:59] :) [03:00] wamaral: ah, worth checking out [03:00] wamaral: thanks for the tip! [03:00] firebird619: hrm.. [03:00] however, if I put [03:00] "init = /sbin/bootchartd" [03:00] lilo turns read [03:00] what do you mean? [03:01] if I replace initrd with init in vim [03:01] maybe vim doesnt have the init coloring? [03:01] init is not recognized by lilo [03:01] Okay, I guess that's *not* the problem [03:01] redtricycle: nah, don't worry about that. [03:01] firebird619: Well, running Lilo gives an error [03:02] "unrecognized" [03:02] redtricycle: any more than just unrecognized? [03:02] Unrecognized token "init" at or above line 42 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' [03:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:02] redtricycle: could you pastebin your lilo.conf? [03:02] sure [03:03] thanks [03:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] http://pastebin.com/m56eb812e [03:04] On another note...anybody recommend a particular pastebin script? [03:05] For example "pastebinscript.sh mycommand", and it'll autogen the output into a pastebin url [03:05] redtricycle: try this: http://pastebin.com/m1f430530 [03:05] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] redtricycle: elinks has something that can do that iirc, you'd have to ask dive when he's around. [03:05] firebird619: interesting [03:05] I'll try that [03:06] redtricycle: Also note that my append line doesn't have " around the vt.default_utf8=0 [03:06] nod [03:06] I just put everything inside the quotes [03:06] I dont know if it matters [03:06] because I'm assuming I'll need the space [03:06] It may make a difference. [03:07] Okay, I'll be back [03:07] k [03:10] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.158.136.55) joined ##slackware. [03:10] firebird619: that was exactly it [03:10] firebird619: it works! [03:10] firebird619: Now...how do I append the line specifically to a config? Instead of setting the init globally? [03:10] I boot in 44 seconds...hmm [03:12] redtricy1le: should be able to just do this: http://pastebin.com/m335b3de5 [03:12] wow, 44, that's kind of slow. [03:12] firebird619: I dont even know what process to slow down [03:12] firebird619: that doesnt work for me, unfortunately [03:13] can I have config specific appends? [03:13] redtricy1le: did you run bootchart from terminal? [03:13] firebird619: yes [03:13] bootchartd, or bootchart? [03:13] redtricy1le: I think so yes, like what I just pasted. [03:13] Doing it that way, I get the "unrecognized symbol" error [03:13] well...let me google a bit to see [03:13] redtricy1le: bootchart. That makes a png file in home that you then open. It gives the breakdown of what's starting and the time it takes. [03:14] redtricy1le: which way? putting it for a specific config? [03:14] firebird619: the way that you put init=/sbin/bootchartd in the config [03:14] That init string doesnt work for me [03:14] Also note that if it is globally, it only charts the config you start with. [03:14] fsck.resier and fc-cache take up a bunch of time [03:15] firebird619: I know, but I dont need it to chart every time I start up my computer [03:15] redtricy1le: Hmm, I'm not sure then, I've never done it per config like that. [03:15] redtricy1le: If you don't want it to chart every time, just drop it down to it's own line and comment it out. [03:16] firebird619: looks like I"m able to just add [03:16] the "append" like to the config [03:16] line* [03:16] yeah, that's probably how to do it, append init=/sbin/bootchartd [03:16] nod [03:16] err, append= :P [03:16] append = "init=/sbin/bootchartd" [03:16] Ill put a space in it, just in case [03:16] yup [03:16] append = " init=/sbin/bootchartd " [03:17] fun stuff! [03:17] thanks for helping me debug it, firebird619 [03:17] your welcome [03:18] firebird619: did you disable fc-cache and the fsck check? [03:19] No [03:19] MrDudle (n=MrDudle@unaffiliated/mrdudle) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] So I guess my boot time cant get any faster than this: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7418/bootchartw.png [03:22] yeah, maybe not. I'm not saying you cant disable those two things, just that I didn't. My boot time is 28 seconds, which isn't to bad. [03:22] So I haven't really tried cutting that down really. [03:24] redtricy1le: Here's mine fwiw. http://imagebin.org/49246 [03:24] This last boot was 30 seconds. :P [03:25] I wasnt going to mention it =P [03:26] okay well, it's kind cool knowing how fast I boot up [03:27] you don't have a gtk-update-icon. I do, I wonder where that's coming from [03:27] I wonder when I'll reach the next level of slackerdom [03:28] I've been at a newb plateau for a while now... [03:28] -_- [03:29] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:30] you'll reach the next level eventually. :) [03:30] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.136.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.51) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Anyone use Wolframalpha yet? I assumed it would be really laggy but it seems to freeze up my browser in the process.. Anyone else running into that? (firefox 3.0.10) [03:38] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [03:40] nadster33 (n=user@daphmb01dc1-210-221.dynamic.mts.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [03:43] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] nadster (n=user@daphmb01dc1-215-217.dynamic.mts.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:43] Wescotte: oh, thats that new search engine, huh>? [03:44] not really a search engine.. I dunno how to define it really [03:45] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Redinger|off: http://www.wolframalpha.com/screencast/introducingwolframalpha.html <-- this will explain it better [03:45] Wolfram & Hart? [03:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:46] Hey Urchlay. [03:47] Okay., I see [03:47] it's like a star Trek computer [03:47] =P [03:47] fbird [03:47] someone really did a star trek computer gui for windows... called LCARS [03:47] redtricy1le: hah yeah good description [03:48] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Wescotte: Gee...I dont know what cool thing to search for [03:49] always wondered how the hell they knew what buttons to press on Trek. None of them are ever labelled [03:49] Urchlay: haha, I read an interview once [03:49] Urchlay: they just press buttons at random [03:49] Urchlay: and some of the butons are labelled funny names [03:49] redtricy1le: heh, well it hangs up my browser when I try to use it [03:50] Ohhh, the new Star Trek movie is pretty cool [03:50] if I were designing/building the set for a Trek movie, I'd definitely have a button marked "more cowbell" [03:50] lol [03:50] hah [03:51] (actually, hrm, can you imagine a Trek movie with Walken as a starship captain?) [03:51] I didn't really like the new Trek movie.. I didn't hate it but I didn't really get into it [03:51] is it worth making the journey out to the theater, spending $10 for the ticket, etc etc? [03:52] Wow, tickets are only $10 where you are? [03:52] but! [03:52] I like star trek.. [03:52] Of course I have to watch it in the theater! [03:53] It had too much action not enough plot [03:53] It felt closer to die hard than star trek [03:53] entertaining but just didn't work [03:53] Wescotte: okay, I agree the beginning was a little abrupt [03:53] Wescotte: okay...here's him growing up...okay, 10 seconds of him in school [03:53] Wescotte: BAM! He's in ACTION! [03:54] yeah the pacing was just all wrong [03:54] I think they should have left a couple characters out and stretched more stuff out [03:54] well, they created a whole new universe [03:55] ehhh, so its not really a prequel, it's more like a [03:55] so they could totally just make new movies by the ...if you can weigh movies... ton [03:55] "reimagining" like the new BSG series? [03:55] didn't need the chekov stuff or even the scotty stuff [03:55] what blew my mind [03:55] introduce them in the second film [03:55] was Harold fighting with a sword [03:55] ye canna hae tha Enterprrise wi'out her engineer, man! [03:55] redtricy1le: yeah that was ninja stuff not star trek stuff :) [03:56] advanced combat: fencing :) [03:56] ^_^ [03:56] i dont get to talk about star trek at work [03:56] b/c not everybody has seen it [03:56] they could give chekov his own movie, where he's the captain [03:56] ._. [03:56] call it "Tsar Trek" [03:56] Urchlay: ba-da-boom [03:57] I think The Onion summed it up best. Trekkies bash film: calling it 'fun' and 'watchable' :) [03:57] first time I ever thought of that stupid joke, I told it to an actual Russian, he thought it was hilarious [03:57] hah [03:58] Urchlay: I chucked :) [03:58] chuckled* [03:58] upchucked? [03:58] almost ;) [03:58] On a more slackware topic... [03:58] xfdesktop gives me segfaults using rworkman's package [03:58] his xfce package [03:59] tickets can be 5€ (euros) here :) [03:59] run windowmaker instead :) [04:00] depends on the theater here.. They've been opening up more luxury theaters lately with like individual lazy boy type seats [04:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.51) left irc: "Leaving." [04:00] wow, they must be nice, more expensive too I assume? [04:01] couple bucks more per ticket but that was front row which is way way too close to the street where you kinda have to swivel the chair to see stuff :) [04:01] I think it's another few bucks for the better seats [04:02] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:02] they have end tables for each chair for food/drinks too and a bar right outside the door :) [04:02] a couple/few more bucks isn't to bad. [04:02] I can't remember what I paid but I assume somewhere around $12 for the cheap seats [04:03] wow, nothing really like that around here. I don't think the big theaters in the big city about 50 miles from here have anything like that. [04:03] after a drink or two it's $25 :) [04:03] Wescotte: way too expensive! [04:03] it's actually a tiny theater.. like 30-40 seats per screen [04:03] I just put food in my gf's bag... [04:03] they never check her =/ [04:03] I think they have 3-4 screens [04:04] redtricy1le: :P [04:04] yeah that's where they get ya.. food and drink [04:04] friggin popcorn is like $6! [04:04] just sneak in a baggie of your own. :P [04:05] it costs maybe 3cents to make + 5 for the paper container :) [04:05] haha, I'm watching the onion vid Urchlay mentioned: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film [04:05] fun [04:06] wow, a search for slackware on ebay returns 13 results. :P [04:06] hah [04:06] Slackware 12.1 Linux Unix - NEWEST VERSION - DVD !!!!!! <-- $1.0 [04:07] that must have been up for a year then :) [04:07] I was searching for laptops on there and thought, what the heck, I'll see what slackware search returns. :P [04:07] yeah, I have no qualms whatsoever about bringing in my own food/drinks to movie theaters [04:07] Is this correct: [[ true_condition ]] exit? Or do I need a ";" before the exit command? [04:07] theaters make almost nothing off ticket sales [04:07] which is really sad, considering how expensive the tickets are [04:07] Oh yeah! I totally forgot there was a star trek monster [04:08] that thing was pretty wicked looking [04:08] oh yeah that stupid chase was horrible [04:08] felt nearly as bad as Indy 4's jungle scene [04:08] Shingoshi: hey, what are you trying to do? [04:08] but. Their flawed business model is not my problem. The theater owners need to band together & force the studios to drop their prices or otherwise give them a better deal [04:08] Shingoshi, [[ condition ]] && exit [04:08] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-7-198.dsl.elltel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] Hey dive. [04:08] if it's bash [04:08] Wescotte: they spent all that money to make the monster, they can just *not* show it =P [04:08] hi firebird619 [04:08] Urchlay: heh they're about 50 years too late to try [04:09] Wescotte: well I'll miss them when they're gone... like I miss drive-in movies now [04:09] redtricy1le: they should have never budgeted for a stupid monster :) [04:09] we actually have like two drive-ins near here [04:09] what I won't do is pay $5 for a 2 cent cup and 1/10 cent worth of sugar-flavored water [04:09] drive in theaters are cool [04:09] I saw Hulk+Indiana 4 [04:09] I haven't been to one in years though [04:10] Indiana 4 made me upset -_- [04:10] wonder if the sound is much nicer now that car stereos are pretty decent and it's not just that stupid speaker you hang on your window [04:10] Hulk was pretty lame too [04:10] I liked the Hulk [04:10] way better than Indiana 4 [04:10] hulk was absolute balderdash [04:10] I liked it! He's running around, smashing stuff [04:10] well compared to Indy 5 the Hulk should have won every major award [04:10] Okay, I guess I'm more of an action guy [04:11] I like action too but there are too many bad action movies lately [04:11] ...also, sometimes the stuff I bring in, is stuff they don't sell at the concession stand. Flask full of scotch? Not available at any price... [04:11] Urchlay: heh [04:11] Urchlay: I like caramel popcorn [04:11] I read the comics when I was a kid but the feel just didn't seem to come across [04:11] (action movies are more entertaining if you sneak in a flask...) [04:11] dive: Thank you. I was testing for an answer to "read rebuild. If [[ "${rebuild}"="[nN]" ]] && exit [04:11] mind you that was in the 70s [04:11] Shingoshi, np [04:11] I was a big hulk fan growing up but I don't remember any the the story really.. think it was mostly the TV show I watched [04:12] I never watched/read Hulk growing up [04:12] Shingoshi: you sure you don't need spaces around the = sign? [04:12] dive: So that's correct now? [04:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:12] Shingoshi, '&&' for true, '||' for false [04:12] and you definitely need something fancier than ="[nN]", unless the user has to literally type "[nN]" to mean 'no' [04:12] Urchlay: I wasn't sure. dive: Thanks for the explanation! [04:12] well don't usually test for keyboard input that way [04:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:13] first thing that comes to mind: read answer; answer="`echo $answer|head -c1|tr A-Z a-z`" [04:13] but that's no good if he just presses Enter or types 12345 or something [04:13] wtf is txz btw? [04:14] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [04:14] tar file compressed with xz instead of gzip or bzip2 [04:14] Wescotte: .txz is the new xz package format [04:14] people stop calling it a format [04:14] what the hella...xz? [04:14] hell* [04:14] it's not a format, it's just a different type of compression [04:15] I never use bzip2 [04:15] so all new packages are going xz now? [04:15] a new format would be something like, switching to rpm or deb [04:15] redtricy1le: It's the replacement for lzma [04:15] muscle memory makes me go tgz [04:15] yeah bzip2 just feels so slow :) [04:15] I'm a tar xzvf kind of guy =P [04:15] like in the old days when you had to wait for zipping stuff up :) [04:15] j is too far away [04:15] xzvf you can type with your left hand [04:15] redtricy1le: it's worth retraining yourself to leave off the z or j entirely [04:15] Redinger|off: you can leave off the J though and it still works :) [04:16] wait, wait [04:16] modern versions of tar will figure the compression out on their own [04:16] REALLY? [04:16] yeah [04:16] hold crap [04:16] i've been xzvf'ing for years [04:16] what I was just looking up: read -sn1; case $REPLY in n|N) exit;; esac [04:16] holy* [04:16] slack's packages will have a new format? 0_o [04:16] that's what I said when I found out, a few months ago :) [04:16] redtricy1le: yeah I just learned that recently too.. tar knows what to do and has known for awhile [04:16] case "$REPLY" in, surely (in case they just hit Enter again) [04:16] redtricy1le, I usually just do tar xf [04:16] Urchlay: I want to make certain the user wants to cancel the build. So yes, I want them to literally type [nN] [04:17] I need to look up what f switch does... [04:17] Shingoshi: I hope I never use whatever this script is :) [04:17] wtf I can't find xz compression info [04:17] redtricy1le: tar's f switch just means "archive is a file, not stdin or a tape drive" [04:17] Shingoshi, that is just the strangest input ever :) [04:18] Wescotte: http://tukaani.org/xz/ [04:18] Shingoshi: I'd force them to type "kittens" [04:18] Shingoshi: to be REALLY sure [04:18] Urchlay: It's a kernel build script. It checks for many things. One being whether the user needs to rebuild the kernel [04:18] Time for me to go. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. :) [04:18] bb [04:18] Shingoshi: yeah, but making someone literally type a mess like "[nN]" is getting into the territory of "user-hostile" [04:18] Shingoshi: but seroiusly tho, I've seen things like "YES" (case sensitive) and "IMSURE" [04:18] morning. [04:18] firebird619: Gnite [04:19] firebird619: good night ;) [04:19] bye dive [04:19] see ya Shingoshi [04:19] redtricy1le: I remember some DOS shareware app that made you type "I CHEAT" to get it to run [04:19] bye stybla [04:19] gute nacht, fbird [04:19] redtricy1le: yeah you still need the f.. min is -xf :) [04:19] Wescotte: you don't need the - though :) [04:20] :) later Urchlay. [04:20] xf for unzip/untar cf for tar [04:20] Urchlay: damn :) [04:20] I hate how zip files dont always come in a folder [04:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:20] I'be been typing the - like a sucker for years! [04:20] so I'm always paranoid and throw the -l switch to list it first [04:20] I hate that. [04:20] redtricy1le, yes that's a pain [04:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-189.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:20] Urchlay: Maybe I meant to use (n,N) [04:20] redtricy1le: yeah I ALWAYS make a temp dir when I uncompress a zip [04:21] Shingoshi, read -sn1; case $REPLY in n|N) exit;; esac [04:21] actually if you're really minimalist, "tar c dirname > dirname.tar" works [04:21] Urchlay: I'm too set in my ways to change now :) [04:21] dive: Thank you AGAIN!! [04:21] crap, I"m having so much trouble [04:21] not typing xzvf [04:21] also "tar x < file.tar" [04:21] I have to consciously NOT type it [04:21] and I so rarely actually make a tar file myself I almost always have to pull up the man page to see how to make one :) [04:22] czvf ;) [04:22] cJvf :D [04:22] the zvf thing is totally ingrained my SOUL [04:22] - the z i think [04:22] redtricy1le: I've managed to keep the z off for awhile now and sometimes don't even v :) [04:22] however... "tar x < file.tar.gz" fails! [04:22] Wescotte: you rebel, you. [04:22] =P [04:23] heh [04:23] redtricy1le, change your files to .tar.bz2, it will make you use xf quite quickly ;) [04:23] dive: I like how concise your coding is. Very good examples given. Thank you! [04:23] (even though "tar xf 1.tar.gz" autodetects the gzip compression...) [04:23] np [04:23] so is slack really using this xz compression? [04:23] Wescotte: slackware-current is, yes [04:24] 12.2 didn't and future patches to it shouldn't [04:24] the xz website is very short in details.. [04:24] Shingoshi, to go further you can also do this: [[ condition ]] && exit || do_something_if_it's_false [04:24] 13.0 or 12.3 or whatever it ends up being called, will [04:24] dive: I think I will use that in a function, since I will want to repeat it more than once. [04:24] actually. What do the double [[ ]] characters do? I'd have written that as "[ condition ]"... [04:24] how much better is the compression? [04:25] again webpage has no details.. [04:25] Wescotte: no idea, too lazy to mess with it :) [04:25] [[ ]] means you don't need an 'if' [04:25] and no wikipedia entry :) [04:25] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.51) joined ##slackware. [04:25] wait... [04:25] I don't think [ ] works without if [04:25] so are slackware packages going to be txz? [04:25] dive: you already don't need an 'if' though [04:25] I suspect it's substantial if slack switched [04:25] redtricy1le: appears so [04:25] try: [ foo = foo ] && echo "equal" [04:26] dive: I'm doing my best to learn! [04:26] Wescotte: well, it's a -current kind of thing -- they can always go back, right? [04:26] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [04:26] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:26] I do know [[ ]] is bash-only, so you really really ought to make your top line of the script say #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh [04:26] oh I thought Urchlay just said next release will use it [04:26] Urchlay, yeah but [ ] can fail for some things, although I'm not sure why [04:26] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:26] this is *way* recent [04:26] they started using xz May 14th [04:26] (in case some poor sap is using your script on solaris where /bin/sh ain't bash...) [04:27] Oh wait, [04:27] it goes back further... [04:27] Oh wow. [04:27] txz all the way [04:27] dive: the only [ ] fails I know of are forgetting to quote an argument that might be empty [04:27] well, for some thing [04:27] txz doesnt confuse people [04:27] because tar.gz is sometimes shortened to tgz [04:27] by using txz, you ensure it's a slackware pkg [04:27] yeah I always use /bin/bash now cause of the syntax in vim hilights properly [04:27] redtricy1le: compare a txz package to a tgz once.. what's the size diff :) since you're already on the page/site [04:27] foo=""; [ $foo = "foo" ] && echo "foo" <--- fails; the $foo needs to be "$foo" [04:27] with /bin/sh some things like $() show red as in error [04:27] Wescotte: okay, one sec [04:28] http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [04:28] actually, im just looking at changelog [04:28] dive: I like the highlighting in mc. [04:28] no sizes here [04:28] mc doesn't agree with me :) [04:28] ah [04:28] it always goes strange on me [04:28] I'm too lazy to investigate it too :) [04:29] foo=""; [[ $foo = "foo" ]] && echo "foo" <--- does not fail. So *that's* the difference between [] and [[]] [04:29] dive: I haven't been comfortable with anything else. [04:29] mc is my swiss army knife! [04:29] perl is my swiss army chainsaw! [04:29] Urchlay: I haven't learned perl yet. Thought about it tonight though! [04:30] dont just do it, think about it! [04:30] cp, mv, rm, cd, vim are my swiss army flamethrower [04:30] (actually. How come the Swiss Army knife is the standard for pocketknives everywhere in the world? Aren't the Swiss neutral, and their army's almost nonexistent?) [04:30] I would like to learn how to write modules for Webmin. [04:30] good question [04:30] I guess they had good knife manufacturers [04:31] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] Urchlay: It's the design that matters! [04:31] ah xz = lzma [04:31] although... I've owned a US Marine Corps pocketknife, it was pretty nice, but didn't have 57 different blades like the swiss kind [04:31] Comprehensive [04:31] a good knife design does not imply a large army [04:31] Before: kernel-source-2.6.29.2_smp-noarch-1.tgz (73808508 bytes) [04:31] Shingoshi, I'm learning perl as I go along - from now on whenever I need to write a script I force myself to use perl rather than bash so I'm picking it up slowly [04:31] After: kernel-source-2.6.29.2_smp-noarch-1.txz (49150104 bytes) [04:31] aka 7z/7zip.. [04:31] which I've seen but never used [04:32] Wescotte: not quite! xz = lzma algorithm plus recognizable headers for "file" and MIME magic... you can't extract a .xz archive with lzma [04:32] dive: You should tutor me! [04:32] I don't know enough yet [04:32] dive: that's how I learned perl, it worked for me [04:32] Urchlay: ah.. [04:32] dive: Or at least compare scripts. [04:32] I tend to spend a lot of time googling 'perl ' or 'perl ' ;lol [04:33] dive: "perldoc -f function" [04:33] Maybe we need to form a workshop for perl|python [04:33] no need for googlement, if it's a built-in fuction [04:33] I can upload some of what I've done I guess [04:33] variable compression-dictionary size (up to 4 GB) <-- hehe that's a big dictionary :) [04:33] (hehheh, huhhuh, he said fuction!) [04:33] Shingoshi, I've just made some programming forums at my site - www.unrealize.co.uk [04:34] got bash, perl, php and uscript [04:34] wow no xz slackbuild?! :0 [04:34] what's a uscript? opposite of a mescript? [04:34] So are slackbuilds going to be xz? [04:34] dive: I just went there. I'll check it out. [04:34] unreal script you heathen ;p [04:34] appears to be the case [04:34] ack it's late! I need to get to bed [04:35] dive: What's .uz? [04:36] that's the unreal compressed file [04:36] no idea what algo though [04:36] Wescotte: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/a/xz <--- there be the slackbuild ye seek [04:36] I guess I need to check into that. [04:37] one thing that I don't get on with in perl is the open/close file way [04:37] dive: what don't you get? [04:37] Urchlay: eh I didn't really need it.. just surprised it's not on slackbuilds website [04:37] I mean it seems a bit retro [04:38] its -current only [04:38] Wescotte: slackbuilds.org doesn't include stuff that's already in slackware itself, that's why... [04:38] Urchlay: but it's not IN slack yet :) [04:38] dive: eh? what would be the modern way? [04:38] when there are so many commands to work with files like cat etc [04:38] echo $myvar > FILE [04:39] dunno I haven't seen that method since my BASIC days on the old tandy coco [04:39] Wow...current has KDE 4 [04:39] eh, but most actual programming languages, that's how you do I/O... some sort of open/fopen/whatever call that give you a filehandle or descriptor, and lots of read/write/close/seek type functions to do things on filehandles [04:39] redtricy1le: think current had KDE 4 for 12.2-current too maybe even .1 [04:40] yes, CoCo BASIC worked that way... but so does C (and anything written in it, like perl or glibc...) [04:40] Urchlay, yeah I can understand it with c/c++ but for a scripting language seems strange to me [04:40] I only use released Slackware versions [04:40] redtricy1le: yeah me too. I toyed with -current awhile back but never really had the time to keep up with it [04:40] dive: Check your email! [04:41] dive: perl's not precisely a scripting language in the way that bash is though. perl scripts get compiled before running (though unlike C, you can easily do more compiling while running, using eval() or require()) [04:41] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:41] Urchlay: So is PERL more dynamic then? [04:41] perl compiled before running ? hmmmm [04:42] Urchlay: By dynamic, I mean more flexible and adaptive. [04:42] yeah you sometimes get an error about compiling failing [04:42] Action: Wescotte really goes to bed now.. Nite guys [04:42] well I do ;) [04:42] nn [04:42] nn [04:43] Shingoshi, no mail yet [04:43] g'nite Wescotte [04:43] did you sign up on board? [04:43] Action: Shingoshi should be in bed too! [04:43] Shingoshi: eh, than bash scripting? sure [04:43] ok [04:43] How does it compare to python? [04:44] dive: the reason the open/read/write/close stuff seems weird to you is that you learned the oddball language first (bash)... [04:44] Shingoshi: can't really answer that well, I've done done any python coding [04:44] Urchlay, I learned basic first, then asm, then uscript, then bash, then perl [04:44] judging by the type and amount of stuff I see written in python, I'd say it's at least in the same ballpark [04:44] anyone have gnome here and could help me a bit (actually have gnome-autogen) ? [04:44] /done done/not done? [04:45] dive: OK, so in a way you're getting back to your roots... [04:45] Urchlay, I missed out c++ [04:45] I ain't really a fan of C++ anyway. C, yes, but not C++ [04:45] but yeah it's just cause it's a higher level lang than say C [04:45] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:45] (I'm aware that a lot of good stuff has been written in C++, I just don't like programming in it myself) [04:45] Urchlay, yeah I need to get into C a bit more [04:46] yep. C is the native language of Linux [04:46] I've only written one usable app in C++ [04:46] from now on I will use C [04:46] Ive only written C in school [04:46] (by which I mean, the kernel's written in it, and so is glibc) [04:46] whenever I have to do things, I look for a python way [04:46] Urchlay, yeah and most software is too I find [04:47] it's unusual to find things written in C++ I find [04:47] Shingoshi, so you emailed me or something? [04:47] cos it's not getting here [04:48] dive: Yes [04:48] intertube is slow this morning [04:48] redtricy1le: for simple/small stuff, or quick & dirty hackery, C is usually overkill (requires more thought than it's worth)... unless it's a bit-twiddling task, like "take this raw 8-bit audio sample and convert it to 4-bit", that's easier done in C than anything else I know [04:48] dive, yeah, C++ is... [04:48] dive: I sent it to unrealize [04:49] Shingoshi, right just go it [04:49] got* [04:49] ok [04:49] Pleased to meet you! [04:50] I know nothing about 64 bit kernels though :/ [04:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:50] or 64 bit systems I should say [04:50] brb [04:50] I wonder if I'll ever upgrade my computer... [04:51] dive: if you're coding bash, perl, python... it doesn't matter if you're on 64-bit or not :) [04:51] perl is the cats pajamas [04:51] redtricy1le: eventually it'll die of old age and you'll have to :( [04:51] I've only had it for 6 years! [04:51] redtricy1le: I'm finding that out about my laptop I've had since 2002 [04:52] dive: I'm trying to compile a 32-bit kernel on a system running a 64-bit kernel. Just the opposite of most others. [04:52] replacement battery + replacement backlight + replacement hard drive + the time/effort needed to replace all those parts, isn't much less than a new & better laptop would be [04:52] Shingoshi: hm, what are you going to do with a 32-bit kernel? [04:53] (thought you were pretty well committed to running the 64-bit kernel?) [04:53] Urchlay, yeah I know, I was refering to Shingoshi's email [04:53] I'm running Slackware on a 64-bit kernel. I need to compile a kernel with HIGHMEM64. [04:54] a 32-bit kernel with highmem64, you mean? [04:54] Urchlay: Then I can use the drivers I need. [04:54] Yes, that's what I meant. [04:54] you kinda already have a 32-bit C compiler though. Should be /usr/bin/gcc... should be easy enough to just build a 32-bit kernel [04:55] (building a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit userspace would require a little more work) [04:55] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC027B6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] The running kernel interferes. It reports the system as 64-bit, and confuses the build process. [04:56] Urchlay: The ARCH here is x86_64. [04:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Confuses the hell out of my system. [04:56] OK, go find the linux32 utility that comes with slamd64, run "linux32 make menuconfig ; linux32 make" [04:56] I find myself using linux32 before many commands. [04:57] That's what I've already done. [04:57] hm, I'd expect that to work [04:57] As I said, I have to use linux32 for many things. [04:57] if not, eh, go read up on kernel cross-compilation [04:57] (in effect that's what you're trying to do) [04:57] I'm getting other errors now which I need to nail down. [04:58] or, since you plan to migrate to a 32-bit kernel anyway, just install the damn slackware kernel package [04:58] boot into that, recompile if you like [04:58] Yeah. I thought about that too! [04:58] I may still wind up doing that! [04:59] I probably would, it's the laziest way to get it done [04:59] Too much damn work. [04:59] I like beating my head against walls! [04:59] LOL [04:59] (but then, the lazy way would have been to not run a 64-bit kernel in the first place, so obviously you're motivated by something other than that) [05:00] I didn't know the 64-bit kernel would cause so much trouble. [05:01] The alternative is to completely go to a 64-bit system. [05:01] Shingoshi: why not run Slackware if you need a 32 bit kernel [05:02] Shingoshi: if your running slamd64 the idea is to go 64 bit [05:02] But I was wanting to wait and see if PatV would finally release a 64-bit system. [05:02] xdan779: This is NOT a Slamd64 system. It's Slackware. [05:03] if he does I hope the 32 bit is still maintained or I will either have to stop at the last 32bit or buy 2 new pcs/laptops [05:03] Shingoshi: ahh my apoligies [05:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] I merely installed a 64-bit kernel on my Slackware system. Not knowing that I couldn't build kernel modules. [05:04] arrg should check my channels better [05:04] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:05] If PatV had made gcc capable of -m64 builds, it would have been no problem. [05:07] Kernel builds depend on gcc alone. Not glibc. But PatV chose to eliminate the ability for users to build 64-bit from a stock Slackware system. [05:07] So much for choice. [05:09] mail him, he might change that [05:09] That would require a miracle I don't think will ever happen. [05:09] There's just too much entrenchment in Slackware culture. [05:10] It's a "We shall not be moved" ideology. [05:11] erm. [05:11] But just for laughs, I may write PatV after all. [05:11] if it's just the case of adding a flag to the build options I don't see why he would object unless it seriously boots up the compile time [05:11] I dunno that PV exactly *removed* it [05:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-189.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:11] I think there never was a 64-bit cross compiler in Slackware [05:12] I mean that's like saying I removed the kitchen sink from my car... [05:12] (or maybe it isn't. I suck at analogies) [05:12] dive: Try suggesting that here, and see what kind of response you get: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/compiling-64-bit-kernel-in-32-bit-linux-240183/?posted=1#post3529714 [05:13] but seriously. To build a 64-bit kernel, you need a compiler that spits out 64-bit binaries. Which on a 32-bit system, counts as a cross-compiler. The answer you're likely to get from PV is "no" [05:14] just like x86 slackware doesn't come with a sparc or ppc cross-compiler either [05:14] Or try this link, and see how much flack you receive for the suggestion: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=707007&goto=newpost [05:15] Urchlay: Those are counterintuitve examples. [05:15] why? [05:15] x86_64 is an extension of x86. The other two are not. [05:16] that's oversimplifying [05:16] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:17] the actual x86_64 instruction set is completely different... it's just that all x86_64 CPUs *also* support x86 32-bit instructions [05:17] but you can't mix & match [05:18] That's what I meant. So having the ability to compile 64-bit offers an upgrade path that Slackware has not wanted to offer. [05:18] to run 32-bit instructions you toggle the CPU into 32-bit mode (same as the difference between "real mode" and "protected mode", aka 16-bit and 32-bit x86) [05:18] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:18] having the ability to *cross compile* binaries for a *different architecture* is something Slackware has never offered [05:19] (although you can always install cross compilers yourself) [05:19] ppc64 is the extension of ppc. sparc64 is the extension of sparc. [05:19] yes, and in both cases, gcc (and the Linux kernel) works the same way: it treats them as different architectures [05:20] unless PV were to actually switch to a 64-bit kernel and multilib userspace, what do you expect his distro to use a 64-bit compiler for? [05:20] But the code that runs on a 32-bit system, will most likely run on a 64-bit system. And that's my point here. [05:21] You're not FORCED to change anything else, but the kernel. [05:21] I think the thing that set me off here, is that you said "PV removed the ability to build 64-bit"... when in fact it was never there [05:21] he didn't remove anything, he's just avoided adding something [05:22] I don't think so. You have to disable building for all targets. [05:23] gcc* [05:23] ehm. gcc's default is to build a compiler that runs on the build host and targets the build host [05:23] if you are building on an x86_64 system, as a special case, you get 32-bit x86 [05:23] But like dive said, it's simply a matter of options. [05:24] Urchlay: Many times when building, I have to explicitly use linux32 before configure and make [05:24] but Slackware is 32-bit x86 to start with. I guarantee you, if you go download the gcc source and build it with "./configure && make" on a 32-bit slackware system, the resulting compiler will not be able to build x86_64 binaries [05:24] yeah. Because you're not running Slackware [05:25] You just repeated what I said! [05:25] huh? you said "you have to disable 64-bit"... and I said "you don't get 64-bit on slackware in the first place" [05:25] *you* have to disable 64-bit, but PV doesn't... make sense? [05:26] anyway. This is completely pointless, I know what I'm trying to say but apparently am not making sense to you for whatever reason [05:27] --enable-targets= [05:28] yeah. And if you leave --enable-targets off completely, the default is "target whatever we're running on right now" [05:28] on Slackware, that means x86 [05:28] One line in configure, and it would have been allowed. [05:28] yeah, but it's one line he didn't add... not one line he removed [05:28] --enable-targets="x86 x86_64" ?? [05:29] Now tell me why Slackware should ship 64bit compilers? [05:30] from his point of view, might as well add "sparc" or "ppc64" to that [05:30] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [05:30] You realize that you spent more time defending PatV, than it would have taken to write that one line of code in configure options? [05:30] (I hope one day there will be an official supported x86_64 slackware, but there isn't one now...) [05:30] well what can I say, I'm a fan of PV [05:31] I'm hoping for Slackware-13 to be. [05:31] Shingoshi: you're such an ass. There - let it be said in the open [05:31] And you can kiss mine! [05:31] Maybe tomorrow [05:32] smica (n=smica@h129-138.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:32] girls...:) [05:32] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:33] where? [05:33] oh lordy! :) [05:34] dive: Do you see my point now? Entrenchment! It's as though cpus are still predominently 32-bit, and will stay that way. How many of these folks are already running 64-bit cpus? [05:34] so run slamd64... I do, and I like it [05:34] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] hehe I'm staying out of this one ;p [05:35] I know nothing about 64bits except I don't have any [05:35] oh, so point of this discussion is to cut 32bits? [05:36] Action: dive is going to try get a few hours sleep [05:36] Slackware to learn from ArchLinux? [05:36] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [05:38] in a month I may compile gcc for linux64, linux32, mingw32, mingw64, avr8, arm*, with or without multilib for the 64/32 targets, it's not hard and the SlackBuild makes that even easier [05:39] plus if cross-compile, chances are you'll want recent version of gcc, so you'd better build it by yourself [05:39] and last, you'd better have the 64bit libs for anything to be useful, so it's not really a single word to add, you'd need everything to be built for 64bit too [05:40] Camarade_Tux: I need to build a new kernel so I can complete building my own toolchain. [05:40] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Action: Shingoshi is declared a heretic for suggesting something beyond the HOLY CODE! [05:42] if thinking of yourself as being persecuted makes you feel better, go gor it [05:42] s/gor/for// [05:42] I guess that's what some people have to do without a religion to fall back on. [05:42] heh. Son, you don't know me. If you did, you wouldn't be implying I have a religion. [05:45] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) left ##slackware. [05:48] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:49] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.144.61) joined ##slackware. [05:50] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:53] Josef_ (n=Be@dialin-212-144-184-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] now, Linux is matter of religion... [05:54] i'd be lying to say i understand any of it. [05:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:54] And I guess the distributions are it's denominations? [05:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Never mind the fundamentalists! [05:56] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@78.176.57.194) joined ##slackware. [05:57] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-204-176.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[06:05] Nevermind, I swapped the arguments =P [06:05] tar -czvf [06:05] that'll do it [06:06] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.182.183) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:06] Ah, good morning Urchlay ;) [06:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:08] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [06:12] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:12] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) joined ##slackware. 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[07:30] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] <_RadioHead> yo yo StevenR :) [07:30] <_RadioHead> hello 2all [07:30] yoyos? where? [07:30] <_RadioHead> there there :) [07:31] YAY! [07:31] Action: StevenR tries to do yoyo tricks, screws up, and accidentally brains straterra with a yoyo [07:32] <_RadioHead> :) [07:36] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:36] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-153-237-117.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:40] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:41] zhoun (n=guo@218.82.110.2) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:46] heyhey [07:46] hi [07:46] <_RadioHead> hi [07:46] <_RadioHead> Buggaboo: [07:47] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] txz? format? [07:47] hmmm... I hope installpkg etc. has been upgraded. [07:47] what's new with that? [07:47] 7-zip? [07:47] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.59) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:47] or bzip2? [07:48] lzma algorithm, with a tool called "xz" that is similar to gzip or bzip2 [07:48] Buggaboo: read the changelog - at least for -current, the fix was in the package manager before the actual switch [07:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:50] megaribi (n=ubuntu@cm-4905.europronet.ba) joined ##slackware. [07:51] megaribi (n=ubuntu@cm-4905.europronet.ba) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [07:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:51] okay read it. [07:51] awww man, I have to change all my slackbuilds! [07:51] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hm, I don't have xz yet. [07:52] I hope the package for that isn't txz yet :P [07:52] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] Why do you have to change anything? [07:53] Remote: ./slackware/a/xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1.tgz [07:53] it's not, for obvious reasons :) [07:53] :p [07:55] zhoun (n=guo@218.82.110.2) left irc: "‚»" [07:56] one sed statement can probably change the slackbuilds. [07:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.10) joined ##slackware. [07:59] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] confrey (n=dario@94.162.161.150) joined ##slackware. [07:59] I maintain "slamedia", stupid wee project. So far 1 slackbuild and some scripts. [07:59] So far one user. [08:00] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:24] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [08:26] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:27] hmmm, so I can point people to slamedia when they mention ubuntu studio ? =) [08:27] yeah, but the project is kinda slow atm. [08:27] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [08:28] I personally use studio64 i386... [08:28] ehm 64studio [08:33] what are the current problems ? [08:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-153-237-117.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:38] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-174-168.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:45] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Ojg (n=Ojg@uhp037.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. 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[09:01] Heaven [09:01] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:01] sahko: :) where are you posting from? [09:01] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [09:02] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] Greece. Its hell during the summer. [09:02] hey [09:02] the only comforting thing is that women wear much less clothes [09:02] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:02] but that rises the temp higher [09:03] +1 for beautiful women [09:03] sahko: lol [09:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-9-208.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:03] if i ever migrate Canada is my no.1 choice. [09:03] so about 40 degrees C or so in Greece? [09:04] +2 for beautiful women that fall for nerds like us. [09:04] i'd perish there. [09:04] well i dont know how many its today. not that hot. less than 30 [09:04] how its coming... [09:04] s/how/but [09:04] damn [09:05] xwindow (n=xwindow@201008116104.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:05] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [09:05] hey compl3x [09:05] hey Cann0n :) [09:06] Cann0n: sup? [09:06] hi compl3x:) [09:06] hey hitest [= [09:06] :) [09:06] just got off the phone with my girl. speechless... sup with you? [09:07] Cann0n: just chilling [09:07] man, i forgot how long it took qt4 to compile... [09:08] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:08] Cann0n: how can you forget :o [09:08] i watched Aliens Ressurection last night and it still didnt finish lol [09:08] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Operation timed out [09:08] Cann0n: haha [09:09] Cann0n: What you using qt for? :) [09:10] eh, i forgot. it's required for a few apps i use, just dont remember which. lol. im just keeping up to date, since i realized i was behind. [09:10] Cann0n: Slackware come with it ? I can't remember [09:11] 12.2 probably still has qt3 [09:11] i have no idea lol. but sbopkg detected a new one so i thought i might as well [09:11] yeah, probably, for good reason im sure [09:12] got that job interview it 2 hours... maybe i'll head to SC first paycheck [09:12] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-64.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] nille__ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:13] im just wondering, anyone else use slacky.eu? [09:14] I dont [09:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] I use sbo [09:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-12-252.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:15] ahh good ole swaret [09:15] yeah but slacky.eu has like tripple items. i was just wondering. i like SBo so much better, but i guess im just lazy when it comes to making my own packages [09:16] swaret still in dev? [09:16] no. lol. last release was 5 years ago lol [09:16] cant you just add as many repos as you want to your downloader [09:17] which downloader? [09:17] whichever one you use..i dont use one [09:17] i dont either [09:17] i have something called slacktrack, but i dont remember what it does [09:17] yeah, i forgot too [09:17] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:18] i was playing with toast [09:18] i just use sbopkg, slackpkg and installpkg [09:18] hi people, why do udev rule files start with a number? [09:18] i use installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg [09:18] yeah [09:18] anything else i do myself [09:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-12-252.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] i like sbopkg... it is truly an amazing tool... [09:19] i like toast [09:20] check it out [09:20] i am lol [09:21] seems ok... i dunno... [09:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-12-252.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:22] i love toasts. [09:22] has toast joined ? :D [09:23] eh, i didn't mean that one :P [09:23] good morning kids :-) [09:24] morning macavity:) [09:24] macavity> morning, ma'am [09:24] what a wonderful morning in deed macavity [09:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-189.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] besides the fact that it is actually 15:26 macavity time... yes, it is a wonderful morning [09:25] what a wonderful morning in debt macavity [09:25] macavity: what's your location? [09:25] whats the last software you installed [09:25] stybla: CET [09:25] macavity: ... :) [09:26] stybla: ok, Denmark [09:26] chowabunga: yakuake [09:26] chowabunga: no wait. sbopkg! [09:26] ghezoonheit [09:26] macavity: yeah, so i've googled :) [09:26] you can google me? [09:26] lol [09:26] :D [09:27] txz? [09:27] you can also look at his .dk [09:27] get a magnifying glass [09:27] indeed, i did :P [09:27] :P [09:27] now pornscan him [09:27] i googled me... there are 100 different me's [09:27] assume the position macavity [09:27] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.17) joined ##slackware. [09:28] anyone ever see YaCy [09:28] Action: macavity takes the clue bat off the wall and stands in front of chowabunga with it raised [09:28] this position? [09:29] slacky.eu is nice [09:30] Action: nille__ takes the bat and strikes macavity in the head shouting "Dansk jävel" [09:30] i like anything with the word slackware [09:30] Cann0n: i'd be more carefull with that one ;) [09:30] ? [09:31] never mind [09:31] lol [09:31] Action: macavity pours some more coffee [09:31] in a large slackware fan boy. [09:31] everything is up to date on slacky.eu [09:31] i have the following problem: size of icons of gtk applications in taskbar (behind the clock) are greater that size of icons of kde apps, for example i run xchat and kmix, icon for xchat is 48x48 but for kmix is 24x24 [09:31] wtf is [ ] prozilla-2.0.4-i486-3dx.tgz 14-Mar-2009 09:45 272K Package [09:31] it just reminded me something like: i don't care if it's crap, or not, as long as it's Microsoft. < Cann0n [09:32] lol stybla [09:32] vdv: start KDE and fiddle the icon size? [09:32] Cann0n: :) [09:32] vdv: oh, its in KDE you see the problem? [09:32] yes [09:33] vdv: maybe you can edit .gtkrc or something? [09:33] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left ##slackware. [09:33] That's a known issue I think, I've had that happen, where sometimes the xchat icon was huge and sometimes wasn't [09:33] stybla: i get so mad when i use windows (not my computers) i just can take it. but in all reality, ive beem using slackware for 10 years, so im very very uncomfortable with anything else lol. [09:34] i run xchat first time, icon is big, after several attempts is shows normal [09:34] chowabunga whats so nice with slack.eu some strange builds and whats that requiredbuilder stuff? [09:34] vdv: what icon set are you using? try Tango [09:34] No one wanted the blame surprisingly, but I think it was GTK that was doing it [09:34] Cann0n: it was not about that. the implication and its strength was ;) [09:34] nille__> i dunno, who cares abuot that, it has .tgz [09:34] And they blamed KDE for not coding around it [09:34] But it was a while ago, so that's not certain [09:35] Cann0n: i'm just teasing anyway. [09:35] stybla: oh. lol. then yeah. i agree. * > Microsoft... Halo 1 was the best thing Billy came out with [09:35] I just switched to konversation instead :p [09:35] chowabunga you doesn't ever build yourself or look at the builds? [09:35] i always build myself, i just like seeing up-to-date repos that someone actually works on [09:35] chowabunga: agreed [09:35] not that i need anymore software...just install things for fun now to play with [09:35] It might have been the other way around, I just remember no one planned on fixing it [09:35] they update everything often. [09:36] Cann0n: do you mean kde icon set? [09:37] vdv: i havent used kde in a LONG time... but yeah i guess. try changing the icon themes [09:37] i know Tango comes with a bunch of scables, 16x16, 22x22, 24x24 amd 32x32 [09:37] thats what i use with fluxbox [09:38] to anyone who wants a good IRC experience in KDE i can only reccomend: yakuake + irssi [09:38] maybe ill install some games from slacky.eu, dont mind binaries for games :) [09:39] wesnoth-1.6.2-i486-1sl.tgz 11-May-2009 11:38 221M Package [09:39] <_judas_> ey guys [09:39] wesnoth ftw [09:39] <_judas_> anyone know the situation with the slackware store? is it still being operated? [09:39] afternoon macavity :) [09:40] _judas_: yes it is [09:41] _judas_: and dont hessitate to buy, as Patrick doesnt have much other way of making an income [09:41] Camarade_Tux: 'ello :-) [09:41] <_judas_> macavity: cool, thanks [09:42] all the girls in the ACM want pat to jump out of a cake for money [09:43] ACM? [09:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:43] lol [09:43] which means zero people i guess [09:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] American Cannon Modellers? [09:45] Automatic Condom Machine [09:45] how can i install .tgz to a different partition and still haev it work right [09:45] Ajax Code Masters [09:45] haha [09:45] auto condom machine [09:45] Ojg (n=Ojg@uhp037.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:45] hey Pig_Pen :) [09:45] hi acidchild [09:46] theres always one fat girl [09:46] in the acm [09:46] ACM? [09:46] but she looks like a dude [09:46] mmlj4: s/Ajax/Autistic/ :P [09:46] so its kinda hot [09:46] erm [09:46] isn't ACM some old kernel module for some random outdated peice of hardware [09:46] heh [09:46] lol [09:47] chowabunga: you like the fat butch looking girls? [09:47] interestin [09:47] I had a membership for one year, then realized that it afforded me nothing, so I let my membership expire [09:47] thr media labels them as 'ugly' [09:47] chowabunga: all pkgtools respect if you ROOT= [09:47] so, so will i. [09:47] acidchild> thats why i am ur father [09:47] if pat popped out of a giant dbay cake for me, it'd be the best bday EVER! [09:47] chowabunga: really? [09:47] :P [09:47] bday* [09:47] macavity> and make symlinks? [09:47] chowabunga: probably wants a big ol' butch to take em with a strapon ;p [09:47] installpkg -root /my/super/path *.tgz [09:47] Pig_Pen: durh [09:47] Pig_Pen> thats why i am ur mother [09:48] Cann0n: i'd rather have Erika Eleniak out of the cake :P [09:48] chowabunga: no, you need to set your PATH right, or make a symlink [09:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:48] +popped [09:48] my daddy was a drunk sailor and my mamma was a whore so there is nothing you can say can shock me [09:48] macavity> what about libs and such [09:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:48] well i guess i can move /usr/local [09:48] stybla: lol. ive already had the best bday so far... i start a job, my girl loves me, and i dont pay rent! [09:49] chowabunga: oh yes.. you may need to set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH too [09:49] im running out of root space [09:49] Cann0n: haha :) [09:49] that wouldnt break anything...just make a symlink [09:49] use some of your unused brain cells? [09:49] so like all of them? [09:49] but if pat popped out... it would be 2.9 times better [09:49] Cann0n: no, it would be Pi times better [09:49] move it to /usr/local then use lndir on /usr/local to /usr [09:50] Cann0n: just to keep the geeks busy calculating *exactly* how much better that is ;-) [09:50] lol ah.. yeah... 3.16 lol [09:50] LMFA [09:50] O [09:50] hey is the value of universal constants changing as space expands? [09:50] pi, phi, e, G ? [09:50] :D [09:50] chowabunga: I'm porting Windows FIle Optimizer to linux, maybe that can help: http://joeykelly.net/scratchpad/index.cgi?WindowsFileOptimizer [09:50] chowabunga: no, as the universial constants are relative to the size of the universe [09:50] macavity: that was a good comment. lol... pi goes on [09:50] s/I/i/ [09:50] chowabunga: the ultimate answer is - yes. [09:51] macavity: which is always expanding :) [09:51] windows file optimizer........ [09:51] lol [09:51] Cann0n: don't knock it until you read the page [09:51] mmlj4: (You are AnonymousGnome) [09:51] that website offends me. [09:51] Cann0n: did you know that the version number of Tex is asymptotic to Pi? [09:51] acidchild: not really [09:51] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Cann0n: that is, for each release, it gets another decimel [09:52] mmlj4: ... [09:52] macavity: no... but now i do! [09:52] you rate my offendedness? [09:52] what's to offend? [09:52] called me a random gnome >.> [09:52] heh [09:52] hate to say... but if someone litters up their drive space, that's a user error... [09:52] better than being called a urandom gnome [09:53] being called anything gnome is sad [09:53] I thought a wiki would be a great place to store my stuff... until the spammers wrote a tool for kwiki [09:53] had to lock it down [09:53] next year gnome will finally switch away from gtk/mono and C/C#, and insted use use the more unified Qt with C++... in the same event it will switch name to knome :P [09:53] defrag should be ported from winderz to linux. i dunno dude. i wouldnt port it [09:53] Cann0n: lol i wonder why! [09:53] knoma hahaha [09:54] shouldnt*** [09:54] whoops! that was a fail [09:54] i think i should become an author for uncyclopedia :P [09:54] s/should/should NOT [09:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425210.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:54] / [09:54] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [09:54] macavity: lol i was on there today [09:55] Cann0n: actually we *do* need a good filesystem agnostic defrag tool for UNIX [09:55] but i wouldnt use a windows method.... [09:55] develope ones own itstead of porting it and using Billys way... [09:56] Cann0n: currently i defrag this way: 1) fetch external HDD 2) move all of /home/macavity/ to it. 3) format /home/ 4) move the sht back [09:56] here ya go, http://imagebin.org/49254 [09:56] file defrag in unix, mv $file /dev/shm;mv /dev/shm/$file . [09:56] macavity: that's about it [09:56] xwindow (n=xwindow@201008116104.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "http://dotlinux.net/" [09:57] mmlj4: the "dont forget to format" is especially true for reiserfs [09:57] Pig_Pen: lol [09:57] macavity: whats your latest story then? [09:57] mmlj4: it tends to remember things about block layouts that i would rather have it forget :P [09:57] acidchild: latest story? [09:57] reiser, hah... his escapade forced me to switch to ext3 [09:57] macavity: for uncyclopedia [09:57] =P [09:57] ah [09:58] macavity: i do think it would be nice to have one, but not a windows port of the way they do it... i'd rather have one developed just for linux [09:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.55) joined ##slackware. [09:58] macavity: do you have any clue, if the drm headers should come from libdrm, or 2.6.29.x (which now seems to provide them?) [09:58] acidchild: look and see my "top story" about gnome :P [09:58] :> [09:58] link? [09:58] thrice`: no idea? [09:58] ok :) [09:58] acidchild: next year gnome will finally switch away from gtk/mono and C/C#, and insted use use the more unified Qt with C++... in the same event it will switch name to knome :P [09:58] libdrm? I hope that's a joke [09:58] http://joeykelly.net/scratchpad/index.cgi?TheHolySpiritAndHisWork <-- BMAMAAMAMA [09:58] LOL :P [09:59] acidchild: you enjoy reading my stuff? [09:59] mmlj4: libdrm is the userland way to use DRI [09:59] i wont use it if it has the word Windows in it... just cuz i value my files... and my documents folder has 10K+ files in it [09:59] macavity: it seems currently Pat puts them in both, which seems wrong (grep include/drm /var/log/packages/*" [09:59] i agree with Cann0n if Linux ever gets a defrag utility i would rather see some top dawgs develop it like Linus or Pat V. somebody of their quality [09:59] Pig_Pen: thank you :) lol [09:59] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.175) joined ##slackware. [10:00] lol a bunch of strange ips were requesting a file on my server so i made a fake file [10:00] no offense. it's a good idea to have one imho, just if it's playing with my files, it better be some good shit. [10:00] and put this in it h4ck3d by g00gl3 /d33f"  [10:00] should keep them guessing lol [10:00] macavity: haha knome :> [10:00] lol [10:00] thrice`: ohh.. yes, now it depends on which one gets installed first [10:01] thrice`: kernel headers gets installed before x/ [10:01] macavity: not qgnome :P [10:01] chowabunga: thats why people keep goats.cx or tubgirl or lemonpary pics, for dorks that have no business poking around on your server [10:01] its automated [10:01] yep, so they are just over-written. I don't see why the kernel-headers needs them, and other distros seem to remove em [10:01] Pig_Pen: Dominian pwned himself with slackadelic [10:01] its websense type crap [10:01] seeing if im hosting viruses [10:02] lol @ viruses [10:02] Pig_Pen: for like 2 weeks his website was 100% old men sucking other men off [10:02] ah [10:02] he messed up his .htaccess [10:02] :P [10:02] i forgot to tell him LOL :P [10:02] i havent seen a virus in ages [10:02] lol [10:02] thrice`: from what i read on the mailing lists, the linux drm headers will be developed and maintained upstream eventually [10:02] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.51) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:02] thrice`: it is probably correct for the intel stuff [10:02] meaning, by the kernel guys, instead of libdrm ? [10:03] yes [10:03] which makes sense [10:03] once i blocked their datacenter they started scanning me with various cable/dsl clients [10:03] because the kernel modules goes there anyhow [10:04] thrice`: only drm.h should probably stay with libdrm [10:04] LOL, i dunno if the wind or someone tipped over a porter toilet outside my apartment block [10:05] damn thats gonna be nasty to clean up [10:05] eeew [10:05] LOLOL [10:05] thats nasty [10:06] I'd move [10:06] wha?! [10:06] i'd light it on fire [10:06] mmlj4: duuude :P no way, the building is just still under contrustion [10:06] it will be cleaned up tomorrow probly [10:06] for some values of clean [10:06] :P [10:07] mmlj4: s/some/hopefully adequete/ [10:07] uhm, and i cant spell [10:07] me nether. [10:07] my fingers still hurt so bad ;/ [10:07] the porta-pottys where i work stink bad, i just come home or go to a restaurant to do #2 [10:08] whats number 2 [10:08] poo [10:08] a cow pat [10:08] LOLLL [10:08] :> [10:08] only mortals poop [10:08] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.55) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:08] chowabunga: where do you live? [10:08] then imortals have nothing to throw at Bill [10:09] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Pig_Pen> close enough to watch you pee [10:09] mostall USA americans know #1 is pee and #2 is poo, so you must be outside the usa [10:10] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [10:10] echo Hello, world! [10:10] printf("Hello World [10:10] \n"); [10:11] damn it, my \ moved on my new keyboard [10:11] world->say("Hello Puny Mortals"); [10:11] (*world).destroySelf(); [10:11] ew [10:11] exit 0; [10:12] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.175) left irc: "‚»" [10:12] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:12] print_endline "Hello, world!" [10:12] pri4pus, btw, watch out for the '!' in bash ;) [10:13] How tdo I configure properly PHP and httpd? [10:13] Camarade_Tux: OK [10:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:13] pri4pus> you look at httpd.conf and mod_php.conf and php.ini [10:13] its easy [10:13] http://rafb.net/p/qe24gA11.html - mod_php.conf [10:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:14] http://rafb.net/p/KWsKSG94.html - httpd.conf [10:14] It doesn't work. [10:14] #LoadModule php5_module lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so [10:14] #AddHandler php5-script .php [10:15] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:15] ansunzofm (n=sunzofma@c-98-209-203-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [10:15] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.250) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] chowabunga: So I need to uncoment that? [10:16] Camarade_Tux, I lack time mostly... so, not much development going into that. [10:16] It doesn't work! [10:16] Camarade_Tux, but I recently added a slackbuild for openoffice go-oo version lately, it's much better than the "official" one. [10:17] Buggaboo, what's the difference ? [10:17] patched up to support alot more formats out of the box [10:17] Camarade_Tux, tons. Quicker response, more features. [10:17] So?! [10:18] how did they achieve that ? [10:18] Can somebody help me? [10:18] Camarade_Tux, refactoring, acceptance of new ideas, less bureaucracy and less politics. [10:18] the novel ppl made changes that the official haven't snapt up yet [10:19] I had visited go-oo's website a few weeks ago and I thought it was still the official [10:19] but it seems nice :) [10:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-174-168.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] it's in office: svn checkout http://slamedia.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ slamedia-read-only [10:19] and now we have oooo instead of just ooo :p [10:19] Buggaboo, thanks, gonne check that [10:20] I have a slamd64 and slackware version of the slackbuild in there. [10:20] also I got a tool that generates slackbuilds, it's also in there. [10:20] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-77-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [10:20] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-77-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:25] Nick change: Vldmr`d`Niver -> Vldmr`de`Niver [10:25] Nick change: Vldmr`de`Niver -> Vlad`de`Niver [10:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:29] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Shuren (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:34] pri4pus> you just uncomment stuff and restart httpd [10:35] takes like 2 minutes [10:36] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left irc: "Saindo" [10:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:36] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.130) joined ##slackware. [10:36] YESSS [10:36] http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2009/05/opengl-es.html [10:38] chowabunga: No, it was just one thing done wrong: instead of the right gorm [10:38] But thank you! [10:38] pri4pus> so you read the log files next time [10:38] /var/log/httpd/error_log [10:38] I did, and there where no errors! [10:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:39] now install e-Accelerator [10:39] eAccelerator [10:39] Next time will try first the right form of [10:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] eAccelerator? What for? [10:39] make php betterer [10:39] it works [10:40] Nice thing! Thank you again! [10:41] And one more thing, how do I access my *.php files from a user directory, not from /var/www/htdocs ? [10:41] Is it possible? [10:41] of course [10:41] Yes..modify your apache config [10:41] RTM and/or google [10:42] you can do it like 5 ways [10:42] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [10:42] chowabunga: Which one is the best? [10:42] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:43] i'd just do symlinks probably [10:43] Ask #apache or do some research [10:43] symlinks? fail [10:43] straterra> you forget your teachings [10:43] No I don't [10:44] pri4pus: Search for userdir in apaches doc's. [10:44] slack means freedom to solve a problem however you want [10:44] No it doesn't [10:45] there are clear good and bad ways to solve problems [10:45] straterra> and it doesnt matter, its not your problem [10:45] OK, thank you all! [10:45] It does matter when you give crappy advice to people [10:46] Buggaboo: in what ways is it better and how does code exchange take place with "official" upstream? or have most developers defected to novell's version? I still mostly build official upstream myself, but I guess it's worth it to try go-oo [10:46] straterra> i didnt give advice, i said how i might do it [10:47] and there are tons of ways to do it, and not everyone will do it the same way, so everyone is wrong except you [10:47] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] No [10:47] You DID give advice..and there are proper ways to do it [10:48] sure, but you arent helping [10:48] Sure I am [10:49] There are multiple ways to approach any problem, but generally only a few that are accepted as being accurate or correct. Anything involving a service that will be publicly accessible should be done in a secure and recognized manner. [10:49] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Playing around on your local machine is one thing, but experimenting with Apache is not a good idea from a security standpoint. [10:50] MS3FGX> lol, ok [10:50] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:50] you do it the way everyone else does it and 3 months later everyone gets hacked zomg [10:50] ive seen it happen [10:51] do whatever you want, everyone else is wrong [10:51] So your system security policy is to do things wrong, so that a potential attacker is so confused by the mess you made that he can't effectively operate the system? Interesting concept. [10:52] i do things right and wrong, and no one can touch me [10:52] i'd love to get hacked [10:52] but it's not going to happen [10:52] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:52] chowabunga's bizarro world of IT [10:53] Yeah.. [10:53] home systems are not exactly IT, you will learn more by doing things the wrong way a few times [10:53] He hasn't exactly dazzled anyone here with intelligence or method [10:53] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [10:53] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.17) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] which is better for you than just following blindly and copy/pasting [10:53] I don't know, if you keep giving out your patented secrets on IRC, everyone might start doing it your way. Then by your logic it will become insecure because it is what everyone else is doing. I think you might be heading down a dangerous road here. [10:54] So is it a good way to set another default dir in http.conf for my project files? [10:54] You could configure a vhost or an alias or something of the like [10:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] pri4pus: by 'default dir', you imply a DocumentRoot. That requires another virtual host [10:55] no one is going to hack you because your local filesystem is setup differently than "standard" if they hack you its in the php files already or apache implementation [10:55] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:55] chowabunga: not necessarily true [10:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [10:55] If you have incorrect permissions on certain things, it makes things a bit easier [10:56] sure, but thats a different issue that would work on any other method [10:56] same as php code being exploitable with any httpd setup [10:56] Not really [10:56] hmm, lets see if a cracker gains remote access to your PC i am sure they can figure out the arrangement [10:56] unless chroot [10:56] So somebody is interested in cracking my system? I have nothing good, really! [10:56] but you arent recommending chroot to him to be UBER secure are you [10:56] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] if you RTM you wont find the chroot method being mentioned even though its the most secure [10:57] It's not about being UBER secure [10:57] and its not the most secure [10:57] chroot jails can be trivial to break out of [10:57] lol [10:57] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] It's about doing things in generally good practice and teaching others those practices [10:58] you say some cruft about vhosts and aliases, im sure that helps him learn the right way [10:59] It does. I tell him the terms he needs to research and point him to the documentation [10:59] We also don't like to hand-hold here [10:59] So how shall I setup another default dir for my project files? PHP? [10:59] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.91) joined ##slackware. [11:00] pri4pus: make a new virtual host [11:00] pri4pus> make a directory in your homedirectory with your php files, then either symlink in htdocs, or edit httpd.conf and add a Directory entry [11:00] http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/ExampleVhosts : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html [11:01] rofl [11:01] yeah that helps [11:02] thumbs: Thank you! [11:02] i would trust apache.org before i trust some joker in irc i never heard of before a few weeks ago [11:02] pri4pus> both things i said will works exactly the same way...and thumbs idea doesnt help you at all [11:02] yeah but people here don't know about apache apparently [11:02] Pig_Pen: joker lol [11:02] chowabunga: shush [11:02] chowabunga: where do you get your facts from? [11:03] from being in #apache for years? [11:03] People, you are crazy! [11:03] chowabunga: and being an op there, I know what you know, too. [11:03] So in order to know apache i have to hang out in that channel for years? [11:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:03] chowabunga: before calling my suggestions 'useless', please think. [11:04] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.91) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] thumbs> before giving suggestions, know what he is trying to do [11:04] thumbs :) [11:04] ffs.. [11:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.10) left irc: [11:06] Peace people, peace. Don't make war, make love! :) [11:07] pri4pus: It's hard to make love when it's all guys fighting and neither of them like the sausage party, if you know what i mean. [11:07] chowabunga: We aren't being assholes just to be asholes..its so that maybe you learn too [11:07] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [11:08] learn how to give better suggestions than "there are 5 ways to do it, i'd probably just use a symlink" [11:08] And it's like the immune system of ##slackware..being an asshole to weed out people from giving stupid advice to protect the whole [11:08] its no worse or better, just easier [11:08] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] chowabunga: Uhm..you said that..no one else did [11:08] :D [11:08] lol [11:08] chowabunga: a proper secure httpd installation should disallow the use of symlinks [11:08] chowabunga: you are proposing a hack, nothing more. [11:09] he so 31337 [11:09] ;/ [11:09] 10:42 < chowabunga> you can do it like 5 ways [11:09] acidchild: which one? [11:09] FAIL [11:09] [ in bed ] [11:09] lol [11:09] [ with coffee cup ] [11:10] Adding quote.. [11:10] thumbs> well then i guses you could hack me easy [11:10] chowabunga: I never said that. I said it was the worst way to implement what he was trying to achieve. [11:11] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1525 [11:12] wow, what a hoot, that guy is crazy [11:12] [11:11:45] z. | nautobot. says: [11:12] clean ur room [11:12] [11:11:51] z. | nautobot. says: [11:12] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [11:12] in my undies! [11:12] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:12] I need to have gtkspell , what is the minimal set I should install , gtk+ ? [11:12] acidchild (n=acid@spy.int.sevenl.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:12] LOL thats awesome [11:12] ^_^ [11:13] paul424> whatever ./configure says you are missing? [11:13] snkmchnb (n=snkmchnb@c-67-165-71-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] or whatever --help allows you to customize [11:13] REALLY chowabunga ?! [11:14] acidchild> yes [11:14] allend (n=david@CPE-124-181-128-156.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Action: acidchild had no idea configure had a help option [11:14] doesnt suprise me [11:14] lol [11:14] wow [11:14] acidchild: heheh. [11:14] forgot the configure as I have installed the package already .... I get runtime error [11:15] straterra: common' [11:15] i'm being sarcastic [11:15] O lmpw [11:15] we know. [11:15] i know [11:15] :> [11:15] After reading your mesages I am wondwring what I was trying to do? [11:15] paul424> that error should tell you what you need eh? [11:15] I'm wow'ing him [11:15] Action: acidchild gives straterra a candy bar [11:15] oh, a peice of candy! [11:15] :> [11:15] chowabunga: I already said : gtkspell [11:16] is chowabunga cpunchs? [11:16] O.o/ [11:16] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [11:16] no..worse [11:16] cpunches isn't this hostile [11:16] acidchild: I am beginning to think so. [11:16] I don't think [11:16] maybe nullboy? haven't seen him around for a while. [11:16] straterra: kinda like cpunchs when he first came in here [11:16] oh look, these guys have friends online! they are like a little clique, how mature [11:16] and got banned [11:16] maybe [11:16] agentc0re: nar. nullboy is funny lol [11:16] lol [11:17] acidchild: Ya, that's true. I retract my previous statement. [11:17] paul424> well if you paste errors, its a lot easier for someone to tell you what you can do to fix it [11:17] :> [11:18] Anyone talk to him lately? Last time i did, it was a brief one way conversation and he was pissed at me :( [11:18] strange now works ... [11:18] null boy? [11:18] like week ago maybe [11:18] acidchild: yes. [11:19] acidchild: is he doing better over the whole girl issue? [11:19] agentc0re: what did you do to piss him off? [11:19] i dunno :/ [11:19] sometimes i wanna go, where everybody knows my naaaame [11:19] i remember when i pissed him off [11:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] i think he almost cried [11:19] thumbs: Actually the thing I wanted to achieve is the ability to opent my *.php files from another directory than th default one. Lets suppose something like /home/user/Desktop [11:20] pri4pus: ah. see open_basedir in php.ini [11:20] "open" them? [11:20] or have them parsed? [11:20] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:20] thumbs: I wouldn't really consider it pissing him off, i just made a joke about him and i think he was watching the logs and next thing you know i got a message from him. Was a funny pic from failblog. [11:20] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] mmlj4: I am assuming access them, not have them parsed [11:21] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:21] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] mmlj4: To use localhost/my_php.php in browser, which will show me files from /home/user/Desktop [11:22] pri4pus: what is your documentroot set to? [11:22] symlink, or munge httpd.conf [11:22] straterra> way to put something out of context on noobfarm...it was supposed to be a question learn how to give better suggestions than "there are 5 ways to do it, i'd probably just use a symlink"? [11:23] pri4pus: set your DocumentRoot to /home/user/Desktop [11:23] or what thumbs said [11:23] thumbs: And that's it? [11:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:23] pri4pus: yes. [11:24] first rule of submitting to noobfarm, you must have a superiority complex [11:24] change DocRoot or whatever [11:24] chowabunga: that's enough already [11:25] thumbs: http://failblog.org/2009/04/30/patience-win/ Thats what made him angry at me. :/ [11:25] and please change that ">" to ":", it's driving me up the wall [11:25] mmlj4> hehe [11:25] mmlj4: that guy is just a weirdo. [11:25] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:26] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] chowabunga: you're not taking my advice, are you? [11:26] agentc0re: whyd he get angry over that? [11:26] It says http://rafb.net/p/ACVXeG77.html [11:26] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:26] thumbs: It says http://rafb.net/p/ACVXeG77.html [11:26] pri4pus: what does the error log say, exactly? [11:26] im just trying to help people, its easier with griefers ignored i suppose, let me see here.... [11:26] compl3x: because i jokingly said thats probably how his date went or something. I don't recall exactly what i said. Maybe something around the lines of, this reminds of of nullboy recently or something. [11:27] oh yes, his date turned badly. [11:27] agentc0re: haha XD [11:27] :( [11:27] Action: thumbs recalls [11:27] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [11:27] oh date went bad [11:27] thumbs: http://rafb.net/p/PGHbIZ42.html [11:27] ya, i meant for it to make him laugh about the whole thing. i didn't know he was that down and out about it at the time when i posted it. [11:27] I still think that picture is freaking hilarious though. [11:28] pri4pus: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd//13PermissionDenied [11:28] pri4pus: read that. You probably need to chmod /home/user to 755 [11:28] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.17) joined ##slackware. [11:28] when I'm launching some specific programs their system tray icons sometimes end up at ~twice the size, The programs that cause this are Pidgin and Xchat [11:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] with pidgin i solved the problem in the following way: moved 32x32 and 48x48 icons, and replaced them with symlink to 22x22 icons [11:29] doing so with xchat doesn't help [11:29] how can i fix the problem for xchat? [11:29] in which systrays ? [11:29] vdv> disable the systray icon lol [11:29] sounds like [11:29] R0O7 (n=sander@217.120.66.128) joined ##slackware. [11:29] KDE's kicker [11:29] Action: superGear has no problems with his systray [11:29] Action: superGear uses kde [11:30] sounds like a cache issue. [11:30] vdv> xchat.conf search for tray and read the manual [11:30] under /tmp ? [11:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:30] vdv> gui_tray_flags = ???? [11:31] oh i guess they arent useful flags [11:33] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] vdv> http://www.xchat.org/docs/plugin20.html#tray [11:37] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.167.173.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] hi all [11:37] lawlezz: all is not in today [11:37] OK, it works now thumbs. Thank you! [11:38] ok [11:38] pri4pus: you're very welcome. [11:38] :) [11:38] nice [11:38] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [11:38] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [11:38] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] thumbs: you use gsb? [11:40] lawlezz: no. [11:41] so, what you use? [11:41] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] kde? [11:41] good? [11:41] lawlezz: xfce, actually, on the laptop. Blackbox on the older server [11:42] ic [11:43] R0O7 (n=sander@217.120.66.128) left ##slackware. [11:44] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:47] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.167.173.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: "BitchX: try our Windows Me and Windows XP flavors too!" [11:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] Anakin- (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [11:53] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:06] macavity: I seed to 1.00 [12:06] compl3x: our rules say <= 1.4 [12:07] compl3x: if your average shareratio drops below that you can only seed, not download [12:07] macavity: who is we? [12:07] compl3x: a private torrent club [12:07] compl3x: with ~50K members [12:08] + I usually seed till its over one - but on this torrent i doubt ill go much over one - considering its 40gb [12:08] and my max upload speed is 50kbs [12:08] Ooh, a "club". [12:08] haha [12:09] only encrypted connections allowed, everyone has their own passkey to the tracker [12:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] i just hate the release rules.. everything is in split .rar [12:10] Split RAR is from the devil [12:10] It might have made sense in the past, but all the clients have error correction/checking now [12:10] that effectively means double storage space requirement while still seeding [12:11] Why do they still split? [12:11] old rules, it's silly now [12:11] rarfix [12:11] .. but it is an indirect thing [12:11] It is like the RAMx2 rule for swap. It used to make sense, but now it is just tradition. People pass it along because at some point it was accepted [12:12] this looks like a killer deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120124 what do you guys think? [12:12] multirar is used for usenet downloads, as it doesnt have ECC [12:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Most of the private trackers I am on don't do multi-RAR anymore, but it is very common on the public ones [12:14] Benafits of a private tracker? [12:14] I believe at least one actually has a rule against them. [12:14] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] Well, if you are accountable for your ratio, it is more likely people will stay around to seed [12:15] compl3x: lots and lots of seeds [12:15] yeah [12:15] macavity: I need a better upload :/ [12:15] 50kbs is just killing me [12:15] On a public tracker like TBP, the majority of people will just grab and run. [12:15] Ugh, 50 kbps. You on satellite? [12:16] MS3FGX: No- [12:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-12-252.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:16] Im in the UK - our broadband is awful [12:17] compl3x: i seriously hope that is 50kB/s? [12:17] Really? I had heard that there was some very good packages available in the UK. Though I guess some areas in the country are better than others. [12:17] yep [12:17] compl3x: kB/s != kbps [12:17] MS3FGX: im not near a city [12:17] macavity: I know that- didn't mean the typo [12:17] Ah [12:18] MS3FGX: on good solid torrents with lots of seeds I get about 700-800 kbs down - [12:18] I am jaded now from having fiber optic. I forget what the world was like on DSL. If I forget to close the torrent client it will just upload hundreds of GBs before I realize it. [12:18] and im on an 8mbit conneciton so I should be atleast getting 1mb/s [12:19] MS3FGX: really? :o [12:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-12-252.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:19] MS3FGX: what sort of down/up speed you get? [12:19] My ratio on one tracker is 20.6 [12:19] 1.29 TB uploaded [12:19] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] 20/5 [12:19] MS3FGX: I mean general speeds... [12:19] compl3x: i get ~1MB/s on a 10Mbit line [12:19] compl3x: on ftp i get 1.1MB/s [12:19] macavity: maan sucks to have crappy internet [12:20] compl3x: the rest is overhead [12:20] compl3x: the good thing about our torrent club is that there are a lot of people who have either 10 or 100Mbit upload [12:20] Action: pprkut has 10MB/s max speed :P [12:20] compl3x: so sometimes i get full speed with only 10 seeds.. that cuts down the overhead factor quite a bit [12:21] The thing that majorly sucks ass - is the fact theres fibre optics just down the road - but myhouse doesn't connect to them XD [12:21] compl3x: how long is "just down the road"? [12:21] about 300-400 meters [12:22] compl3x: what would they charge you to extend it? [12:22] I was on the waiting list for fiber for 4 years. It is a terrible terrible wait [12:22] macavity: probably thousands knowing BT [12:22] :-/ [12:23] Action: compl3x cheks his isp's site [12:23] The same thing happened to me, I literally could see the trucks putting the fiber in from my porch. I asked one of the guys when he thought they could power it up and actually connect houses to the main line, and he was like "I dunno, we just put the stuff in, the rest is up to them" [12:23] maan sucks [12:24] MS3FGX, must be nice to have a choice [12:24] where i am i have 1 cable provider and dialup [12:24] my isp offers speeds up to 10gb/s for £650 a month .. to £1000 a month - It says on their site - I can imagine they mean gbits tho [12:25] MS3FGX: you're lucky, man:) I'm on slow DSL here in northern Canada. We have a small local ISP in our town. Max torrent download speeds 500 kb/sec. [12:25] compl3x, those have a high install fee too [12:25] edman007: yeah stupid amounts [12:26] hitest, i can't get DSL [12:26] edman007: you on dial up? [12:26] no, cable modem [12:26] edman007: what do you have? [12:26] good speeds? [12:27] DSL does not work past the phone amps since their amps filter the frequencies, so DSL does not work more than a mile or so from the head end, cable is different [12:28] yuck... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/EPFL_CRAY-II_2.jpg [12:28] hitest, well, right now i'm still at school (graduating tomorrow), but yea, at home its pretty good (i think we are at 5Meg or so) [12:28] at school it SUCKS [12:28] edman007: what does that mean - i know nothing about american schooling systems [12:29] edman007: your home connection sounds very nice indeed:) [12:29] hitest, and i had that cable modem for so long...when i first got it we paid for 768k/128k, we are at 5M/1M right now (just kept getting an auto upgrade) [12:29] nice [12:29] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] compl3x, what i mean is right now i'm in dorms, the internet is the school LAN, and i think the network admins have been drunk and high since they turned the network on [12:30] edman007: download caps? [12:31] edman007: haha [12:31] is the local college the free wifi spot for the locals in that area too? [12:31] macavity, at school we got throttles, and a whole bunch of broken policies, forced proxy use, stuff is overloaded, the ping between two computers in different rooms is 20ms or so...sometimes worse [12:31] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] i get an average of 1-5% packet loss when pining the router [12:32] *pinging [12:32] hitest: speaking of adsl, I'm through telus and get 5M/1M :P [12:33] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] macavity, and it acts really weird, i can start downloading a file, it starts at 350kB/s, and then drops down to 60-70kB/s after a minute, and then down to ~5kB/s, and then just stalls (not always...but sometimes it does that) [12:33] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] edman007: eww [12:34] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [12:34] chopp: nice. my ISP is locally owned and not part of the Telus network. [12:34] remember that one guy that came in here looking to get slackware wifi working at some college, he was not even a student just someone hitching a free ride at the college cafeteria, so i bet there are bound to be dozens of non-student hitch-hikers at every college slurping bandwidth via the unencrypted wifi [12:35] by far the most annoying part is the broken firewall policies, outbound is denied by default, port 80 MUST go through a proxy, and the proxy is not up to the HTTP spec, some urls just won't load...only allows http/https on *some* ports [12:35] the proxy scrambles audio streams too [12:36] edman007: have you considered writing a nice and polite mail to the IT staffers explaining how things work, what software to use, how to configure it, and how to contact you for free unlimited technical support :P [12:36] edman007: wow that is a mess. Have you told them how messed it is? [12:36] macavity, tomorrow is my last day [12:36] edman007: congratulations :-) [12:37] at my school, ssh is blocked on "public" IPs (those you get when you plug *your* computer) but it's allowed on the ones that are already set (school's computers) [12:37] hopefully you can just "borrow" an IP from a school computer :) [12:37] Camarade_Tux: just ARP poison the network [12:37] Pig_Pen, yea, that is the other thing, my school has unencrypted wifi, the proxy and firewall are blocked if you don't log in, the login server is secured with ssl, but there is no dns name and the cert is not signed by a proper CA, so you can't verify the cert, you can (and i have) pop onto the network and just sniff the login password [12:38] bbl [12:38] and the whole login problem could be fixed with radius, that is what it was designed for [12:38] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Hey guys, I switched from a PS/2 mouse to a wireless USB mouse, restarted my computer but X11 nor gpm will detect it. [12:38] cylux: protocol issues? [12:38] cylux, what does lsusb show? [12:38] edman007: wtf. who wants to use things that were designed for things. we r HACKERZZZZ [12:39] allend (n=david@CPE-124-181-128-156.vic.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [12:39] macavity, but the network is mostly OK, I agree with most of the decisions [12:39] edman007: Detects the Belkin hardware [12:39] except ssh [12:39] but, they block irc, no ##slackware at school ! ='( [12:39] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Camarade_Tux: mibbit [12:39] Camarade_Tux: i personally hate it, but i know that it is the only option for a lot of people [12:40] Camarade_Tux, well i do email, irc, net radio through ssh [12:40] Camarade_Tux: they block ssh out? [12:40] eviljames, only on the IPs attributed to your computers (not the school ones) [12:40] edman007, yeah, I'll ssh [12:40] eviljames, they do over here, but i found another port that is open, and i just put ssh on that port [12:40] I need a host for that though but I'll just get a friend to provide me with one [12:41] cylux, does dmesg say it detected a mouse? [12:41] Action: edman007 uses the router at work [12:42] edman007: It detects a Macintosh mouse button emulation and has a line that says mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [12:42] cylux, try changing the x protocal to "auto" and see what happens [12:42] edman007: Where? [12:43] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hello [12:43] edman007: xorg.conf ? [12:43] macavity, also, http://java.freenode.net ;) [12:43] edman007: It already is auto [12:44] cylux, `cat /dev/mouse` [12:44] then move the mouse, do you get garbage? [12:44] edman007: No [12:44] Not a thing [12:44] well that is bad [12:44] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] no quotes right? [12:45] Obviously [12:45] :p [12:45] good...alright, sounds like a driver issue... [12:45] what mouse is it? [12:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:45] cylux: cat /dev/input/mice [12:46] cylux: move mouse, output? [12:46] Belkin F8E845-MSE [12:46] macavity: No [12:46] ok.. linux does not like it :P [12:46] macavity, oh, cat /dev/input/mice is so funny ! :D [12:46] you wouldnt happen to be on a custom compiled kernel? [12:47] macavity: No [12:47] i seen a website a long time ago that shows wifi adapters [12:47] Camarade_Tux: I could use a cat to come and /dev/input the mice in my apartment... [12:47] macavity: What module/support should I check for? [12:47] i seen a website a long time ago that shows wifi adapters * linux compatability* [12:47] eviljames, he :p [12:47] cylux: if you are on a stock slackware kernel you should be golden [12:47] macavity: Well let me know what support to look for. [12:47] Camarade_Tux: I caught one yesterday, chucked it off the balcony (I'm on the 4th floor and there's big trees) [12:47] cylux: but you can try and load usb-hid if it is not already there [12:47] Camarade_Tux: but gf was NOT impressed with this catch. [12:48] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [12:48] last mouse I saw was in a bin, it had been squashed with litters and was stuck to the bottom... [12:48] macavity: That module was not found [12:48] Pig_Pen: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ ? [12:48] cylux: look for hid modules [12:48] eviljames, let her catch^Wtry to catch the next one ;) [12:48] she'll be much more impressed ;) [12:48] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:48] cylux: oh, is that huge-smp? [12:49] yeah http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_alles.php [12:49] macavity: What? [12:49] cylux: i belive usb-hid is built in on huge-smp [12:49] Oh [12:49] cylux: the kernel you are using? [12:49] cylux: generic-smp or huge-smp? [12:49] cylux: if you dont know, then it is huge-smp [12:49] macavity: I'm on a stock slamd64 kernel [12:49] ah [12:49] then i dont know shit about what is going on [12:50] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-27.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Camarade_Tux: haha it's not always easy to catch a mouse with your bare hands.. she might be more impressed if she had to do it :D [12:50] fred: slamd user in trouble, please man all battlestations :P [12:50] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:50] That would be most appreciated. [12:51] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] SlamDunkthefunk [12:53] Unununium (n=andy@LG1-98.aircanopy.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Unununium (n=andy@LG1-98.aircanopy.net) left ##slackware. [12:57] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:58] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:04] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:17] stybla: I had that problem - reinstalled flash - now i have this problem [13:18] compl3x> rm ~/.adobe/ -R [13:18] chowabunga: yeah ill give that a shot in a minute [13:18] what are good linux websites [13:18] chowabunga: in what sense [13:19] freshmeat, kernel.org [13:19] for finding new stuff that isnt just ubuntu [13:19] chowabunga: i've tried, but it's impossible to stay without flash. [13:19] i know freshmeat [13:19] chowabunga: you know, the most of pr0n is in flash ;( [13:19] sourceforge? [13:19] stybla> you use noscript [13:19] mmhmm [13:19] and removing .adobe doesnt remove flash [13:19] just cleans up possible problems that may be there after an upgrade [13:20] in theory [13:20] snkmchnb (n=snkmchnb@c-67-165-71-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:20] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] ~/.mozilla/plugins [13:20] sourceforge.net is kinda a pita to browse [13:20] chowabunga: :) [13:20] yeah I prefered the old layout [13:20] its all unorganize [13:20] not fm.net, sf.net [13:21] unless sf.net has a new even worse layout [13:21] Josef_ (n=Be@dialin-212-144-182-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] chowabunga: do you think it can get *worse*? [13:21] i think sf.net is pretty fubar already. [13:21] it is for sure [13:21] i can't imagine it being worse. [13:22] i dont remember an old layout being better though, thats all im saying [13:22] oh i see they changed it...scary [13:22] maybe sourceforge was told "there are 5 ways to do it"....baahaa [13:22] i've liked the old layout. [13:22] oh my god w0000 integrated twitter [13:24] grr - i can gett the settings box up - just cant do anything from then [13:24] *headdesk* [13:25] compl3x> its greyed out? [13:25] chowabunga: no , just not taking any input [13:25] i cant even click settings [13:26] TrueNorwegianBM (n=warlock@g227130101.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Josef_ (n=Be@dialin-212-144-182-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:27] /exit [13:27] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [13:27] fail [13:27] flash must die ]= [13:27] yes [13:27] let's kill it. [13:27] but i need it for porn ]= [13:27] lets kill it to death.. *repeatedly*! [13:27] Action: agentc0re pulls out the eel cannon [13:28] heh http://www.unrealize.co.uk/404.php [13:28] whats flash? [13:28] Ready Sir! Shall we fire on flash? [13:28] TrueNorwegianBM: a horrid invention by adobe, commonly used to make the internet an exceptionally annoying experience [13:29] s/adobe/macromedia [13:29] macavity, it can be [13:29] dive beet me :p [13:29] macavity: You make it sound so appealing in that sentence :P [13:29] Action: chopp steals dives 404 [13:29] s/macromedia/the devil/ [13:29] but it is not always [13:29] TrueNorwegianBM: the problem is that the few things that flash actually solves should have been solved by an appropriate IEEE standard [13:30] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [13:30] but there are not, so flash is cool [13:30] solves? [13:30] TrueNorwegianBM: the current situation is like when microsoft invents "standards" [13:30] and flash is the wrong choice for video... [13:30] Flex is a very good programming lang. [13:30] dive: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/500.php lol, same one. [13:30] haha [13:30] dive: webcam integration etc [13:30] compl3x, gnash has been developped specifically with pr0n in mind and perfectly works with it :) [13:31] oh right, webcams, also invention of the devil [13:31] to watch porn I use mplayer [13:31] it works fine [13:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] macavity: haha, perfect definition. [13:31] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "my video card is gay" [13:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg_RTVWx4t0 haha, pms [13:32] stybla: i have been reading too much Amrbose Bierce lately :P [13:32] macavity, removepkg bsd-games ? [13:33] Camarade_Tux: that wont do anything about my book shelf :P [13:33] agentc0re: errrhh.. [13:33] I never understood the flash webcam thing ... [13:33] youtube has some reaal shitty [13:33] agentc0re, you gave me a google 500 error! [13:33] Camarade_Tux: i happen to own The Devil's Dictornary. In a first print that is :-) [13:33] Camarade_Tux: near mint condition [13:33] edman007: [ in bed ] [13:33] :P [13:34] haha [13:34] macavity, ohhh =) [13:34] Action: Camarade_Tux breaks into macavity's [13:35] macavity's what? [13:35] home [13:35] pervert :) [13:36] macavity: i will have to check on that one. [13:36] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:38] stybla: find it, look up "idiot", and laugh till you vomit :P [13:38] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [13:38] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [13:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-27.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [13:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] when will microsoft make silverlight for linux [13:43] chowabunga: why would they? [13:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:43] chowabunga, when pigs fly through a frozen hell [13:44] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2007/09/microsoft-releases-silverlight-1-0-announces-linux-support.ars [13:44] chowabunga, yea, and they announced a new FS for vista, and said vista was better [13:45] microsoft, 10% vaporware, 90% hype [13:45] :D [13:45] :d [13:45] >:] [13:46] laterz guys :) [13:46] laters [13:46] laaterz [13:46] dont forget FUD and the three Es [13:47] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:47] ok... this libtool project of mine is probably going to be one heck of a mess [13:48] FUD is a good acronym to classify 90% of common sense beliefs [13:48] ltmain.sh is ~7K lines [13:49] urban dictionary is awesome [13:51] FUD © Microsoft Corporation 1992 - 2009 [13:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:52] FUD © Usrael Govt 1776-2009 [13:52] er Usrael? [13:53] lol urban dictionary rules again.. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=usrael it came up :P [13:53] chowabunga: can you ask urbandictionary what STFU means? [13:53] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:54] linked to fud even HAHA [13:54] i have no idea what it means, but someone suggested you should. [13:54] i must be on to something [13:54] I like that 'paraganda' gonna use that [13:54] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:54] greetings [13:54] howdy [13:55] hi NyteOwl [13:55] 'ello [13:55] Bye bye guys [13:55] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [13:55] what would be useful is a 'paraganda meter' [13:56] like the alert level thing [13:56] higest rating goes to global warming paraganda [13:56] or climate change or whatever they rename it to next [13:56] could be some php that crawls news sites looking for certain keywords [13:56] rhythmbox is strange [13:56] 'terroism' 'global warming' ... you get the picture [13:56] instead of getting the AC/DC cover from Back in Business [13:57] it got some dull hip hop album cover [13:57] most of it is reverse paraganda...caraganda [13:57] how bout that...where they do something to hurt you but say they do it cuz they care about you [13:57] yeah nice one [13:57] i jsut made it up :P [13:57] we need to give $£10000000 to the banks [13:57] so they can lend it us and charge interest [13:57] do it for the kids! fluoride is good for your teeth! [13:58] chowabunga: What if i don't want fluoride? [13:58] agentc0re> too bad, the government is in the hazardous waste removal industry [13:58] and when most homes are coming with water filters, whats the point? Wouldn't it just get filtered out? [13:58] then you drink bottled water or dig a well [13:58] agentc0re> most wont take it out [13:59] agentc0re, I don't think filters can get rid of chemicals like that [13:59] dive, i know it is totally crazy what the gov is doing with tax dollars, makes me want to advocate tax evasion [13:59] bottled water is worse btw [13:59] Pig_Pen> its called an economic coup/class warfare [13:59] agentc0re: unless you use an activated charcoal filter they don't re,move disolved gassees. they are primarily bacterial adn sediment filters [13:59] ah. [13:59] Pig_Pen, yeah [13:59] only reverse osmosis/distillation/aluminum filters can remove fluoride [14:00] boiling works too [14:00] i have one of those undersink filters that have both a hepa (5 micron) and charcoal filter [14:00] not perfect but better than nothing [14:01] yeap [14:01] you can buy em at most stores for about 20 to 30 dollars [14:02] you hear abuot kbr not filtering troops water...and recently troops having to steal water cuz they were only given 1 litre a day or less [14:02] replacement cartrages are about 5 to 7 dollars [14:02] tax dollars at work [14:02] or you can buy your water from Supermarket [14:02] chowabunga: We had to throw away a shipment of water once because it was bad. [14:02] It is cheaper and easier [14:03] TrueNorwegianBM> if you like plastic gender-bending chemicals in it [14:03] hmmm ... [14:03] because the gov has corporate buddies that they shoe horn in for kickback money [14:03] so what is the bes way to get water? [14:03] TrueNorwegianBM, in beer [14:03] :) [14:03] lol [14:03] ^5 [14:03] yea [14:03] I have 5 more bears @home [14:03] :) [14:03] i dunno, its a good question [14:04] I very very rarely drink unboiled water - I'm hoping that would get rid of some of the crap [14:04] if you haev a little bit of time and ingenuity you can make solar stills [14:04] dive> it condenses the crap into less water [14:04] dive> you have to capture the steam to get the fresh water [14:04] oh well [14:04] yeah [14:04] it might get rid of chlorine though [14:04] dunno for sure [14:05] boiling kills most bacteria and drives off things liek flourine and chlorine. [14:05] the gases would go [14:05] yeah but not solids :P [14:05] then it's up to the cleanliness of the containers you put it in :) [14:05] I think you have to drink the distiled water [14:05] to be sure [14:05] distilled water can hurt you [14:05] or I am wrong? [14:05] if you drink it too long [14:05] distilled water tastes like shit :] [14:06] actually the human biody is pretty good at filtering msot of the crap you're likely to encoutner in tap water. taste is something else again :) [14:07] why make your kidneys and liver work overtime because of inferior methods of purifieing drinking water [14:07] yeah its pretty much...what can you do [14:07] get an atmospheric water generator [14:07] de-humidifier with filters [14:08] pretty good way, free water from the air...STOPS GLOBAL WARMING lol [14:08] distilled water lacks minerals you need found in clean natural ground water (keyword is "clean & natural") [14:08] you know...cuz water vapor is 80% of greenhouse gasses [14:08] funny how people are all paniced about the water, then they drink bottled/canned products ( usualy far worse) [14:08] im drinking Apollinaris Classic Naturally Sparkling Mineral Water [14:08] its full of CO2 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im gonna die [14:08] also the food they eat is likely worse off yet [14:09] there are less restrictions on bottled water [14:09] an water discussion [14:10] planet earth is overpopulated taxing the earths natural resources, industrial farming is working overtime to keep the world fed [14:10] Pig_Pen> wrong [14:10] totally wrong [14:10] i am right! [14:10] no, industrial farming is way efficient [14:10] its not industrializing the poor countries that forces them to break their ecosystem [14:11] hmm @ Everyone bow down to the new txz format!! [14:11] pfffft [14:11] chowabunga: you ever been to a pig farm or a chicken farm or seen those smelly stock yards full of cattle? [14:11] look at the % of land mass in america used for farming, find a chart [14:11] they pay most farms to NOT farm [14:11] i the army we used an bucket with holes in the bottom filled wit some soil moss and small stones (if i remember correctly) that would change the ph-value so much and fast that bacteria would die. [14:11] indeed, keep the prices higher [14:11] subsidies [14:12] nille__> interesting [14:13] i thought it was cool when i saw survivor man boilwater in a plastic bottle...then i realized how bad that is...id rather drink the running water fresh [14:13] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [14:13] ;) [14:13] you learn stuff in the army [14:13] i seen that too, plastic is nasty! he should have keep looking for an aluminum can or something metal [14:14] yeah [14:14] why is plastic so bad? [14:14] brandonfowler (n=brandonf@adsl-99-154-148-74.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] nearly everything comes in plastic [14:14] plastic over a camp fire to heat water? [14:14] or it is made from plastic [14:14] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] brandonfowler (n=brandonf@adsl-99-154-148-74.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:15] there this fine deep frozen foods [14:15] that come in a plastic bag [14:15] He was heating plastic over fire, that releases chemicals, etc. from the plastic which then gets into the water. (correct?) [14:15] and you can boil them with the bag [14:15] yup [14:15] it is realy easy [14:15] Hi Pig_Pen. How are you? [14:15] ok [14:15] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] TrueNorwegianBM: different kind of plastic [14:16] Hi NyteOwl [14:16] TrueNorwegianBM, yeah boil in the bag stuff used to be populare here [14:16] fi firebird619 [14:17] http://mojo1000.com/storage/comics/07/zen_motivational_poster.jpg [14:17] i dont trust plastics for cooking [14:17] Hey BP{k}. How's it going? [14:17] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] BP{k}, bored? [14:17] dont trust teflon either [14:18] its bad [14:18] luddite :p [14:18] firebird619: not bad :) [14:18] nope, no teflon here, i prefer cast iron skillets [14:19] Pig_Pen: I used to make boil-in-the-bag rice and if the plastic got to close to the kettle, it'd melt so I'd throw it away. Plus now and then it'd get this weird scaly stuff on the bag. Now I use a different brand that has better bags and aren't plastic. [14:19] i use stainless and olive oil [14:19] teflon is great stuff. nice insualtor, great lubricant and cheap way to make moderate armour piercing bulelts heh [14:19] dive: nah. :) [14:19] my wife has one big skillet that has teflon, i will toss it out someday when i scratch the hell out of it with a metal fork because i dont like it [14:20] lol [14:20] teflon is overrated [14:20] not if you are trying to sell toxins to the masses [14:20] they think their life is so much better, caraganda! [14:20] true :) [14:21] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] NyteOwl: the thing about body armour is it does not cover everything [14:21] use an old coke can make some holes in the bottom then fill it with moss,sand,charcoal,moss and a stone to keep it pressed together, then sink it into water and the water thats filtered thrue the can is clean to drink [14:22] nille__> and agent orange is safe to spray on troops! [14:22] Pig_Pen: true but it covers the major vitals, and largest target areas. Throat area is vulnerable but had to armour [14:22] aim for the head [14:22] end of story [14:23] or disable via legs/knees [14:23] dive make sure you miss the heklmet. some of the new ones are made like body armour - layered steel, kevlar and ceramic [14:23] better to deter them [14:23] I think I just dropped a few peacenik points there [14:23] a find layer of poison ivy oil on their armor will make them think twice about messing with you [14:23] dive or arms or on some the side. [14:24] hell, where's my 50 cal? [14:24] sprinker system rigged to spray capsaicin/poison ivy oil on attackers [14:25] NyteOwl the helmet is to protekt from splitter damage not to be bulletprof [14:25] i seen that claymore mines penetrate body armour [14:25] nille__: yes but depending on calibre, load and range they are to a certain extent [14:25] you should see the weapons that shoot molten copper [14:25] Many times you wouls have a better chance to survive without a helmet if your shot in the head [14:26] Pig_Pen, even if they didn't I'm sure there would enough leg/arm/face damage to drop a target [14:26] missle goes up, breaks a part, and a bunch of little bombs zoom all around then blast molten copper on things [14:26] those claymores are baddass, you would not want to be within 100 yards of that thing going off [14:26] automatic carbine with full metal jacket [14:27] chowabunga, like scatter bombs? [14:27] i dunno. i think they have propellers! 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[14:47] Meckafett (i=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] Josef_ (n=Be@dialin-212-144-182-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:48] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-234.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:51] hehe :) [14:51] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:52] ##slackware is ok, the staff in here are fair, but there are some other channels where the users and staff/opps are total muppets [14:52] thats pretty much everywhere on irc [14:54] Action: alienBOB thinks about playing a muppet [14:55] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Big Bird or Oscar? [14:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Action: NyteOwl ducks [14:55] Random bans would be fun [14:56] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-70-24.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Pig_Pen: such as? [14:56] the cookie monster [14:56] ok, question, how do I create electronic music on linux? Like Rebirth [14:56] for win32 [14:56] just go buy a guitar [14:56] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] pirving, http://www.renoise.com/ [14:57] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [14:57] pirving, http://www.renoise.com/ [14:57] sorry, getting outrageous ping times. [14:58] --- Ping reply from Ficthe : 0.70 second(s) [14:58] haha, that is great [14:59] PING reply from Ficthe: 1.596 seconds [14:59] Hey edman007, how are you? [14:59] good [14:59] graduation tomorrow, yay [14:59] music composing: http://harishankar.org/blog/entry.php/rosegarden-compose-music-in-linux [14:59] * Ping reply from Ficthe: 5.05 second(s) (from a minute ago) [15:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:00] Ficthe, my ping to you is lower than everyone else i tried [15:00] there are two complete distros that have to do with music production [15:00] http://www.64studio.com/ and ubunto studio [15:01] edman007: what was your ping to me? [15:01] time? [15:01] Ficthe: there's more than just those two out there. [15:01] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-239-210.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] bad wifi setup.. I dono, I'm really just clueless why it happens. I'm not smart enough to get it fixed in the time that I have -- so I'll try getting to it when my semester ends [15:02] at the moment being I have my ap without an enc (couldn't get wpasupplicant working on this machine) [15:03] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) joined ##slackware. [15:03] how many clients are on it [15:03] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [15:03] the whole dorm? [15:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-128.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] chowabunga, no, 4. not a dorm, it's my house [15:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [15:04] each do get good reception, no matter where they are in the house. 7 mega bits down, whereas this machines barely gets 2 mega bits down [15:05] MLanden: Hey, doing great, thanks. yourself? [15:05] Doin' good for the afternoon,thanks firebird619 [15:06] Ficthe: with that machine,any sign of EFIs? [15:06] i see a wifi conversation! [15:06] what do you do on a rainy day... thats not computer related [15:06] wifi in linux, YAY [15:06] Action: acidchild is at a loss. [15:06] i just setup two repeaters around my property [15:06] Hi acidchild, how are you? [15:07] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [15:07] acidchild: dance naked on the roof in the rain [15:07] Action: Ficthe googles 'EFI' [15:07] firebird619: good thanks :-) [15:07] with bongo drums [15:07] firebird619: just bored. [15:07] yourself? [15:07] antiwire: mmm sounds like a plan kinda ;/ [15:07] lol [15:07] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] acidchild: doing great, thanks. kind of bored myself. :p [15:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [15:08] firebird619: http://www.justin.tv/wth2 [15:08] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [15:08] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0345D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [15:09] acidchild: House is a good show. :) [15:09] firebird619> bored why [15:09] done with conky [15:09] firebird619, --- Ping reply from firebird619 : 1.09 second(s) [15:09] chowabunga: yeah [15:10] edman007: wow. [15:10] Action: edman007 is trying to watch a movie... [15:10] fuzzix: hehe. :-P [15:10] ^Marian^ (n=marian@190.166.30.209) joined ##slackware. [15:10] firebird619, remember, i'm on a crappy school network running irc over ssh [15:10] <^Marian^> hello Slackers :P [15:10] Action: edman007 waves [15:11] firebird619*. [15:11] i've seen them all way to many times. [15:11] chowabunga: I changed conky to a different setup, the first one started dragging the performance (i.e. the cpu was pegged as you noticed.) [15:11] just a way of wasting time [15:11] anyone live near me? want to bring me coffee :( [15:12] acidchild: get off your lazy butt and get it yourself. :P [15:12] Action: MLanden salutes edman007 [15:12] hello [15:12] firebird619: no! >.< [15:12] Uh Oh, someone copied the Big Brown (Ubuntu) logo: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_QLcbs-EZObk/Sg2FQ988HnI/AAAAAAAABro/1zdEBbA8rDI/s640/%5BUNSET%5D.jpg [15:12] acidchild: fine, go without then. :P [15:12] makerc (n=makerc@201-95-74-107.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:13] firebird619, i saw that a while ago :P [15:13] firebird619: whats that from? [15:13] edman007: Has ubuntu started whining about it yet and sent a cease & desist order? [15:13] firebird619> lol [15:13] firebird619> http://ubuntard.com/wp-content/themes/orange-coffee/images/ubuntard_logo_dunce.png [15:14] firebird619, i don't know [15:14] acidchild: http://ubuntu.igameilive.com/2009/05/ubuntu-logo-stolen.html [15:14] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] haha i see i see. [15:14] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] chowabunga: lol, nice. :) [15:15] you watching house atm firebird619? [15:15] seen this episode? [15:15] acidchild: yeah, I've seen that one before. [15:15] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [15:15] i hate this episode. [15:15] Action: Shingoshi hails hitest! [15:16] Shingoshi, stay away from hitest he lies! [15:16] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] LOL! [15:16] edman007: he never did get that beer and truck full of cheerleaders to ya? [15:16] firebird619, noooo, so i'm mad [15:17] i will do what i have to do when i find him [15:17] You guys are soooo crazy!! [15:17] Shingoshi, hey, you would feel the same way if you were denied beer and cheerleaders [15:18] Action: Shingoshi switched back to using a 32-bit kernel for Slackware. Now preparing to build new with HIGHMEM64 support. [15:18] Ahhhh, the latest in idocracy! omfg! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74&feature=rec-HM-r2 [15:18] Shingoshi, eww [15:19] edman007: I had to. No choice. I couldn't build kernel modules at all. [15:19] ...well run slamd64 [15:19] So in a short while, I will try installing the nvidia drivers for my system. [15:19] yea, don't do that either [15:20] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I can't use any advanced features in KDE without the appropriate drivers. [15:20] So I have to. [15:20] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I want to try compositing. [15:21] Shingoshi> it only takes a few minutes to install them [15:21] seriously, what the hell would possess anyone to continue to breast feed their kids up to 8 years old? [15:21] Why are these people allowed to steal our air? [15:21] I hope so. Because I've had problems every time I've tried in the past. [15:22] trully fscked up,agentc0re [15:22] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left ##slackware ("::"). [15:22] what posesses people to eat mcdonalds? [15:22] chowabunga: the clown..:D [15:22] chowabunga: The devil makes them do it! [15:23] Cheap, easy and lazy. I personally don't eat there fwiw. [15:23] I cook, and very well thank you! [15:23] breast milk is cheap easy and lazy [15:23] I am yet again reminded of this song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhyVIluOwKg [15:24] So are some forms of sex. I wonder if she gets excited by doing so. [15:24] McDonald's is pseudo food [15:24] it's not even real food [15:24] antiwire: What is real? [15:24] antiwire: You think that's air your breathing? [15:24] exactly. [15:25] We're becoming McDonaliens!! It's the end of the world as we know it. [15:25] well i do know that i have no spoon [15:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:25] find / -name matrix [15:25] McDonald's is food. it is no-food. Just like anti-matter [15:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] appzer0: McDonald's have good milk shakes though :P [15:26] so technically we should be able to use McDonalds food to travel in space if we combine it with real food, matter. [15:26] why do i have to go through digg to read any of their links [15:27] hi Shingoshi:) [15:27] not that i'd want to read any digg links or anything [15:28] edman007: I know you're steamed about the failure to deliver the promised items:) I'll buy you a round the next time you're in town. [15:28] what town? [15:29] speaking of food, look what happens after graduation: http://blacksburg.craigslist.org/wan/1173937987.html [15:29] Action: Shingoshi sends hello to hitest! [15:29] Prince Rupert, BC [15:29] :) [15:29] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] on the north coast of BC [15:30] ananke: LOL, thats awesome. [15:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] ananke, hahahaha [15:30] edman007: Make sure you're wearing your tongue warmer! [15:30] probably a lazy fatbody [15:30] sun hurts their head, ananke? ..hmmm?!? [15:30] hitest, wtf, why so far? [15:30] i wanna email him and tell him how he can go without food for nearly 2 weeks before he hits a critical zone near death. [15:30] pitbac23 (n=pitbac23@ip-213-49-236-147.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [15:31] edman007: that's where I live:) [15:31] i love the choice though: bacon [15:31] sale-hq4xq-1173937987@craigslist.org here ya go agentc0re email hom [15:31] Shingoshi, tongue warmer? i don't need anything, i'm that weird person wearing a t-shirt when it is 0'F [15:31] him [15:31] Pig_Pen: Heh, ya i know. I'm going to do so now. [15:31] hitest, come to NYC or something, i'll be in FL in a week :D [15:32] from what i see for sale in the computers section i should take a photo of this old floppy diskette drive and try to sell it for several hundred dollars :D some fool might buy it [15:32] lol,ananke.......it's BACON [15:33] stybla: dont get me wrong, "sundae" ice creams are delicious though :) [15:33] bacon! [15:33] appzer0: sundae? [15:33] even for a frenchie like me ;) [15:33] the vanilla ice creams [15:33] edman007: I would love to, but, don't have the cash to travel. NYC would be wonderful. Hey enjoy your grad celebration, man. Don't get too faced. :) [15:33] with topping [15:33] http://pastebin.com/d12696cc8 [15:33] called sundae here in France [15:34] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "sleep." [15:34] appzer0: ah, ok. do they sell it at McD's? [15:34] stybla: yes [15:34] edman007: It was in reference to the cheer leaders! [15:34] sundae is the latin-ized "Sunday" word I guess [15:35] Action: Shingoshi likes having his tongue warm! [15:35] Shingoshi, oh, lol [15:35] [ in bed ] [15:35] Action: edman007 slaps agentc0re [15:36] Ouch, wtf? [15:36] you deserve it [15:36] Action: agentc0re kicks edman007 in the nuts [15:36] Action: edman007 fall over [15:36] Action: agentc0re gives edman007 a beer [15:36] that was uncalled for! [15:36] appzer0: ah, ok. when i visit McD's, i'll try to keep it in mind. [15:36] i'll need more than just a beer [15:37] alienBOB: It's cool. I often see and want more than others envision. It's my curse in life! [15:37] Well get a chick to get her tongue warm with your sore spot, if you know what i mean. [15:37] So I'm often seen as an ass! [15:38] ...but i want to use that area without pain... [15:38] you're not special though, you're just like the rest of us [15:38] :] [15:38] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:38] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] if i had to go get a fast food hamburger i think i would go get one at burgerking before i would go to MDs, at least burgerking flame broils theirs which lets the fat melt off in to the flames which is better than it just sitting there soaking it up on a grill [15:39] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:39] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [15:39] a properly cooked burger keeps the juice inside [15:39] Pig_Pen: If i only had the choice between the two, i'd rather eat grass. [15:39] Pig_Pen: ever tried a Culvers Butter Burger, very, very good. Not flame broiled though. [15:40] chowabunga: Just like pussy! [15:40] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.17.154) joined ##slackware. [15:40] nope, never heard of Culvers [15:40] Shingoshi> i eat my burgers with extra bed sheets [15:40] Carl's Jr is much better as far as quality goes, but their burgers have massive calories. [15:40] ROFLMAO!! [15:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:41] you prop a towel under the burger then eat out [15:41] ok ill stop [15:41] chowabunga: Just like pussy! [15:41] not fur burgers [15:41] tonight is turkey burgers [15:41] Pig_Pen: Oklahoma right? There' aren't any Culver's in Oklahoma. [15:42] hey, I ripped the USB cable out of my old mouse and I hooked it up to a motor, and it works! how do I start writing a way to control the motor with software? [15:42] Pig_Pen: whataburger's awful? [15:42] I've always wanted to go to a White Castle. [15:42] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] their breakfast is good [15:42] i eman at least they cook real egs [15:42] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] dartmouth: USB is RX/TX based, so you just look up the interface to the usbraw driver and start using it [15:43] i wish there was a white castle in edmonton :S [15:43] we dont have a whataburger here, i did see one in tulsa once while passing through but i did not stop [15:43] dartmouth: "it works" in what way...USB provides power which means it shouldn't be a surprise if you can just power a motor off the USB power lines... [15:44] dartmouth: that is, you can open two file descriptors to it, the one is for writing and the other for reading [15:44] macavity: but that's not going to modulate the power lines. you'd need a controller for that [15:44] oh. no, I hooked the red to positive and the black to negative on the motor and it just spins [15:44] Pig_Pen: OK...just heard of them in reference, was always wondering [15:44] ... [15:44] exactly [15:44] making your own burgers is better...just get a steak and have the butcher grind it for you [15:44] so im probably not going to get data back lol [15:44] who is the country & western singer that stutters? he used to advertise for whataburger [15:45] dartmouth: then you need to figure out how to cut the power on a certain USB port [15:45] dartmouth: that probably requires root privilidges [15:45] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] lots of whataburgers in texas [15:45] this is the ghetto method motor control guys... [15:45] you need a controller [15:45] antiwire: i know [15:45] Pig_Pen: Mel Tellis...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGLcNR1sWIc [15:45] yeah [15:45] a controller? [15:46] great [15:46] I don't know what that is. [15:46] http://www.mnsu.edu/comdis/kuster/famous/famouspws.html <-- Famous people who stutter. :) [15:46] antiwire: but it is dartmouth doing the soldering here, so i still mandate the ghetto method.. ;-) [15:46] firebird619: LOL [15:46] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.123.22) joined ##slackware. [15:46] agentc0re: I used to go there as a child in NY. [15:46] agentc0re: you can find anything with google. :P [15:46] dartmouth: i would at least say some kind of relay so you can cut the power via TX [15:46] haha [15:46] I know how to solder [15:46] dartmouth: all you have right now is a power feed. you need a controller that can take your commands over USB and operate the motor that way, not by pulsing the USB power lines. [15:47] ohhh [15:47] great [15:47] so i need a chip [15:47] dartmouth: eg, a transistor with its ground pin on tx [15:47] speaking of mel tillis, he sure as a fine daughter [15:47] wtf that's lame. they should be doing that at a software level. [15:47] dartmouth: in this case, a single transistor can do it [15:47] firebird619: It's so true. I was in our clinic area one day and one of the Doc's needed to look up a drug. I said, google it. She actually took offense to that, told me to shut up and said, "Go away techno weenie". [15:47] dartmouth: and also, you're motor is probably not a stepper which means you'll get speed control but not accurate positioning [15:47] you can probably just modify a usb cable and put tape over the power contacts :P [15:47] agentc0re: haha [15:47] dartmouth: Get an ardreno [15:48] dartmouth: or a nerdkit [15:48] dartmouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Bke3750WE [15:48] ouch,agentc0re [15:48] blah blah blah http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9106 [15:49] know the Sparkfun. [15:49] antiwire: backordered! [15:49] what are the english names for the pins on a transistor? Base, Emitter and What? [15:49] Collector I think [15:50] right [15:50] yes [15:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8907 [15:51] Base goes to power source, Collector determins if the signal should pass through, and Emitter is on/off? [15:52] so.. lets talk about the demise of the internet as we know it [15:52] so in dartmouth's scenario that meas that base goes to +5V of the USB, Collector goes to TX, Emitter goes to + side of motor, and - side of motor goes to 0V of USB [15:52] antiwire: So it puts all be 3 pieces together for you? thats kind of weird. [15:53] whats the countdown to the cyber terror attack/i911? [15:53] and ipatriot act of course [15:53] will it be ge's smart grid technology being backdoored? [15:54] agentc0re: it's geared toward prototyping and home hobbies [15:54] agentc0re: still nice stuff though [15:54] dartmouth: are you getting this? a suitable 5V transistor costs about $0.2 at radioshack [15:54] nice/fun/easy [15:55] sparkfun does a good job [15:55] antiwire: Oh i'm not dissing, but i would have imagined all parts were required to assemble. [15:55] agentc0re: ah yeah, you can go that route too [15:55] they just supply prefabbed stuff [15:55] well, they can do both [15:55] http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 heh thats nifty. [15:56] yeah, I think electrical engineering is sexy as hell macavity but i've got zero background. [15:56] if anything, though, if i pick up a nerdkit i might be able to boost my asvab score [15:56] dartmouth: you should read about the different types of motors first. if you're really interested in this you will find that a stepper will be more fun for precision stuff and normal old DC motor is better suited for main drive....like and rc car's main drive motor usually is normal DC [15:56] Action: Shingoshi thought the command to remove kernel modules was rmod. What's the correct command? [15:56] Shingoshi: modprobe -r [15:56] rmmod [15:56] or rmmod [15:56] dartmouth: did you go to the library and fetch a good basics hobbyist book? [15:56] Thanks. [15:56] Shingoshi: use tab completion. [15:57] http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/ [15:57] macavity: i did not, but I sure will now. [15:57] dartmouth: why am i having a dejavu here? ;-) [15:58] chowabunga: i'd rather not go to a site over a book so i can read in the tub [15:58] macavity: no idea. [15:58] lulz [15:58] ? [15:58] macavity: A glitch in the matrix. [15:59] iirc it wasnt more than month ago i said "go to the library and get a good book on the basics of X for hobbyists" [15:59] macavity: you sure that was me? [15:59] i dont remember what the subject was then.. but i remember who i said it to :P [15:59] roger.. the only difference is that this time you said "will do" rather than "i am the type who needs to hit my head hard before i check the documentation" [16:00] so i take it you have leveled up since last we spoke :P [16:00] oh fu, I have no idea what I needed help with. [16:00] This didn't work: lsmod | grep nv | modprobe -r So how do I do this? [16:01] dartmouth: i hate moving my ass round.. thus i have ~25GB books around.. just in case :P [16:01] p.s.: I understand that txz gives better compression, but I dislike that the change was not made universally. [16:01] dartmouth: everything from math to psychology [16:01] macavity: same here [16:01] macavity: i collect field manuals-- I've got a ton of electrical engineering training docs the navy puts out in their schooling too i think somewhere [16:02] dartmouth: obviously there needs to be a transition period.. imagine that you need to update your pkgtools to the new format.. but the update is in the new format :P [16:02] lol [16:03] This worked! modprobe -r $(lsmod | grep nv) [16:03] someone is trying to sell a zune on craigslist for 230 bucks, like that piece of DRMed crap is going to sell [16:03] that is like the windows95 classic: you moved your CDROM drive to another chain and windows said "i have discovered a CDROM drive, please insert the windows95 CDROM with the driver" [16:03] that one nearly caused me to kill my computer :P [16:03] lol [16:03] :D [16:03] macavity: that was so annoying. [16:04] Shingoshi: you know that just using modprobe -r won't hurt anything if the module isn't loaded right? [16:04] ... fortunately i found this other OS instead.. RH5.1 :P [16:04] i think it's funny how some people think that their perspective on DRM is shared by others [16:04] and after being fed up with rpm i turned to slackware... and it looks like i found something that works for me :P [16:04] i did not know you could import the result of commands into variables in bash, though-- cool i learned something [16:04] i've got alot of reading to do [16:04] i have so much reading to that i know ill never do it [16:04] ananke: when it comes to consumer media players it is [16:05] Pig_Pen : face it. people buy zunes. and zunes play also non-drm media. [16:05] fools buy zunes [16:05] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:06] and ipods [16:06] Pig_Pen: +1 :) [16:06] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [16:06] and ipods [16:06] Pig_Pen : chances are, you don't know much about zune, considering you call it 'DRMed crap' [16:06] Pig_Pen: trumphed :P [16:06] antiwire: No, I didn't know that. [16:06] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-42.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] ananke: It's similar to how 'TPM' usually gets people to freak out and link it to draconian practices...neglecting the fact that TPM has many uses that go beyond locking systems down. [16:06] i know enough to not buy one, good enough for ya ananke ? [16:07] Pig_Pen : i wouldn't expect anything well researched from you [16:07] antiwire: TPM *is* for locking down systems.. the fact that lots of people miss is that the big question is *who* does the lockdown.. me or the OEM? [16:07] ... [16:07] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-42.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] using it for hardware incryption of my harddrive is a pretty hefty lockdown [16:08] *encryption [16:08] TPM is not solely for locking systems down. It is simply a trusted and persistent memory space [16:08] it has many uses [16:09] mainly for storing keys [16:09] which is a good thing if used right [16:09] as long as all the keys are mine [16:10] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-181-66.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] VampirePenguin: whos blood do you want to suck today? :P [16:11] lol [16:12] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:12] yay the fritz chip, now you know what people mean when they say: "my computer is on the fritz" [16:13] martie from the dixie chicks would be great [16:13] Pig_Pen: i really like the way the Thinkpads uses the TPM to encrypt the BIOS [16:13] is that the heffer with the perdy mouth? [16:14] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-2-252-211.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Pig_Pen: that way, if you just take out the BIOS battery the system is hosed [16:14] How hard is it to ghet wireless working in slackware? [16:14] Cryptic_Donkey: that depends what wireless card you happen to have [16:14] Pig_Pen: No, that's Natalie iirc. :P [16:15] Cryptic_Donkey: mine works out of the box (intel ipw3945) [16:15] Cryptic_Donkey> get wifisetup from freshmeat.net [16:15] macavity: I have a BCM4312 [16:15] Cryptic_Donkey: not good.. hang on [16:15] b43 and firmware [16:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] Cryptic_Donkey> http://freshmeat.net/projects/wificonfig after you get the module loaded :P [16:15] personally i dont want any encryption on my PC from the BIOS up, with the exception of ssl i dont want anything encrypted [16:16] not even /etc/shadow? [16:16] well that is ok [16:16] though its hashed...but still crypto stuff [16:16] i mean bios, disks, disk partitions, my personal files [16:16] Pig_Pen: Well if you don't have the requirement then I can understand that. However, certain situations require encryption [16:16] antiwire: Is it possible to mount /dev/sda3 as a /home in my ne install of sslack/ [16:17] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [16:17] sure [16:17] Cryptic_Donkey: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=bcm43xx&sv=12.2 [16:17] if i had something i needed to hide i would not have it on the PC/harddrive and move it off using either a thumbdrive or a CDR/DVDR [16:17] Cryptic_Donkey> yes, just mount it as home...or make home a symlink [16:17] Cryptic_Donkey, use wicd, b43-fwcutter and wext with wpa_supplicant [16:17] i have a 4311 [16:17] works great [16:18] Cryptic_Donkey: this is the one you need: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [16:18] Cryptic_Donkey: that is, if you intend to use the native linux kernel driver [16:18] now that's funny. because a thumbdrive/cd is a much more secure media [16:18] Cryptic_Donkey: if you want to use ndiswrapper you probably have a little more reading to do [16:19] macavity: I intend to use the native kernel driver [16:19] Cryptic_Donkey: but from what i hear, 4312 works pretty good with the b43 driver once you install the firmware [16:19] Cryptic_Donkey, well b43 support has been in the kernel a long time [16:20] it is funny, its funny that you find it funny, even with your fancy college education you still dont have a lick of common sense ananke you dumbass [16:20] Cryptic_Donkey: www.slackbuilds.org/howto on how to actually use a slackbuild [16:20] antiwire: anything new and exciting? [16:20] waiting for freaking 2.6.30 [16:20] VampirePenguin: So i wouldn't have to install the broadcom sta prorpritary [16:20] Pig_Pen : i find it quite amusing that you always attempt to insult me by referring to my 'college education'. is that a sore point with you? you didn't get to go to college? [16:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-234.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:21] ^Marian^ (n=marian@190.166.30.209) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [16:21] Cryptic_Donkey, i believe the way its set up now it pulls that firmware anyway [16:21] i am glad your amused, i will try to keep you amused the rest of the day [16:21] Pig_Pen : face it. when it comes to technology, you barely scrape by. you are ignorant, and you pride yourself in being ignorant about it. your opinions are often based on nothing more but prejudice, be it microsoft or something else. [16:22] Cryptic_Donkey: first you build and install: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-fwcutter/ then you build and install: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [16:22] Cryptic_Donkey: then you do "modprobe -r b43 && modprobe b43" [16:22] b43xx- is what you have to make sure is not in your modules [16:22] Cryptic_Donkey: and then you should be able to use iwconfig/wpa_supplicant/wicd/whatever to set up your network [16:23] considering microsoft's track record i have a good enough reason to be predjudiced againt microsoft, fuck microsoft i hope they close shop and go home [16:23] Pig_Pen: get hacking then :P [16:23] sad thing is that i've met countless rednecks who were less ignorant than Pig_Pen [16:24] is that the best you can do? [16:24] Pig_Pen: currently the big push is in getting GNU/Linux up to speed with graphics.. go test the latest kernel/libdrm/xorg/Mesa/Gallium3D stack [16:24] Pig_Pen : is that the height of your rhetorics? [16:25] will you two knock it off? [16:25] Pig_Pen> use the ignore feature [16:26] or, in case you insist on throwing mud at each other, use /query [16:26] I don't understand why education background came into this, still. [16:26] Pig_Pen : i don't have to 'do' anything. you're kind enough to present us all with your gems of knowledge, right after you declare your superiority by lack of higher education and love for guns [16:27] I am quite disappointed to see Pig_Pen behave this way [16:27] ananke: are you still an OP in here? [16:27] macavity : never was [16:27] ananke: good [16:27] :D [16:28] ananke: just knock it off, i dont care one bit if you think Pig_Pen is lame [16:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] macavity : i never said he's lame. [16:28] *yawn* [16:29] you are all lame! yes, please feel offended! [16:29] :) [16:29] ananke: but you being the older and more mature of the two of you have the responsibility to show the better examble and drop the acid remarks [16:29] NyteOwl: morning [16:29] macavity : first of all, i think Pig_Pen is older. second of all, what 'acid remarks' are you talking about? [16:29] i do not intend to have my soccond living room infested with hate on this good saturday night.. period [16:29] stybla: hiya. late afternoon actually :) [16:30] just a lazy Saturday is all :) [16:30] waiting for more rain [16:30] this is moving from strange to hilarious [16:30] NyteOwl: it depends on your location, but i have to agree - i've done almost nothing so far, and it's evening already. [16:32] I notice in the kernel menuconfig the list of processor support. Will the Opteron,Athlon,Hammer, K8 run on Intel as well? [16:32] What will give me support for BOTH AMD and Intel advanced chips? [16:32] Shingoshi: imho yes. it's only code optimalization. [16:33] Shingoshi: 486i [16:33] What about i686? [16:33] hm, that could do too - i think. [16:33] damn it my dvd iso turren stalled [16:34] Urchlay: What do you think? [16:34] Shingoshi: as i've said, it's only optimalization - imho. [16:34] what is up I need to finish the dvd ison download and there aren'y any seeders [16:34] I know that smp provides for multiple cores. But what about SSE? [16:34] Shingoshi: that is correct.. it only affects the -mtune option, not the -march [16:34] That's separate, huh? [16:35] macavity: thanks for backing-up (?) [16:35] Shingoshi: yes, all of slackware is compiled with -march=i484 -mtune=i686 [16:35] I just wanted clarification. [16:35] Shingoshi: that means that it will only use instructions found on i484, but it will be tuned to the i686 scheduling [16:36] Shingoshi: that means that it will run on any hardware from i486 and onwards, but it will run the fastest on i686 [16:36] Shingoshi: SSE is multimedia instructions. rarely used. [16:37] I'm building for machines that are servers. They wouldn't be limited to i486. In fact, they wouldn't be i486 at all. [16:37] I was only using SSE as an example [16:37] Shingoshi: and the things that does make use of SSE usaully just check what version the CPU supports [16:37] ok [16:37] That's good. [16:37] yes [16:37] macavity: Will salckware use the full sistxforu bits of the intel Core two dou in my laptop or is it strictly a 32bit os [16:37] Shingoshi: you have to choose - wide, or narrow. [16:38] I'm building with anything beneficial to clusters, activated. [16:38] Cryptic_Donkey: there is 64bit port. [16:38] Shingoshi: if you look at the kernel boot, you will see that the software raid driver even runs a little bench mark to see what is the fastes, MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3dNOW etc [16:38] Cryptic_Donkey : slackware is 32 bit. for 64 bit look at slamd64 [16:38] stybla: I know that but it isnt an official port [16:38] "official" [16:38] *sigh* [16:39] Cryptic_Donkey: if you want to make me throw up, please, continue. [16:39] Cryptic_Donkey: 32bit OS == 32bit adressing mode.. its not like your Core2Duo "has 64 bits" :P [16:39] stybla: Wow! Thank you! [16:39] stybla : what's wrong with the 'official' point? [16:39] Cryptic_Donkey: if you dont have above 4GB RAM, the differences are marginal [16:40] In additon i would like to be able to listen to my music collection and the fluendo megapack is better support on 32 bit with smp enabled [16:40] Cryptic_Donkey: there are many misconceptions around 32/64bit adressing mode [16:40] stybla: I have 8GBs here. And I plan on upgrading to 16GBs in the near future. [16:40] Cryptic_Donkey: id say, go with slackware untill you know what you are doing [16:41] Cryptic_Donkey: then you can always switch to slamd64 one day (in case you get a memeory upgrade) [16:41] macavity, it is more than that, the 32/64 bit refers to the addressing and register sizes, but the difference between x86 and x86_64 covers a lot more (like extra registers, those extra registers don't get used at all in 32-bit mode) [16:41] ananke: it's somewhat pointless? [16:41] Cryptic_Donkey: but i for one wont be able to help you with slamd64, since i strictly test and use slackware [16:41] stybla: after all, this is the _slackware_ channel... not the slackware _forks_ channel [16:41] stybla: ignore ananke, hes a moron living in his own little world [16:42] edman007: i know.. i was shooting at the old "64bit means twice as fast"-myth [16:42] Pig_Pen & ananke I need you two to stay out of each other's hair [16:42] http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary [16:42] alienBOB: and? [16:42] stybla : how is it 'pintless'? official slackware is what this channel is about. pat v is the official slackware, official slackware is pat v. [16:42] channel == church? [16:42] Pig_Pen: s/own little world/moms basement/ [16:42] Pig_Pen: will do. [16:42] macavity : it's ironic how you proclaim i should be taking the high road, yet you want to butt in [16:42] stybla: and, support for Slackware is readily given here, support for forks should be given by the forks [16:43] ananke: so, basically, run 32bit os on 64bit system? i hear ya! [16:43] stybla : official means that pat v will be most likely supporting it in the future. unofficial may disappear [16:43] alienBOB: but he _didn't_ ask for support, did he? [16:43] stybla : i never said that [16:43] macavity, but in practice it does mean 64-bit is significantly faster than 32-bit in some things (i benched a few apps and got 15-20% boost in speed in most apps), it has nothing to do with the fact that it uses 64-bit addresses or registers (that fact actually makes them slower) [16:43] No, but there is no need to point people away from Slackware in a Slackware channel stybla [16:43] stybla : you laughed out the point of 'official' out the door, without any kind of discussion [16:44] alienBOB: i didn't point him out. [16:44] oh lord! [16:44] No you *sighed* at the word official [16:44] ananke: i'm not aware that Pat is under some kind of oath to support Slackware until his brave death. [16:44] alienBOB: You interpreted that to mean what you wanted to believe. Not what he said. [16:44] ananke: so far for your disapperance [16:44] edman007: what about the size of the binaries? [16:45] They are somewhat bigger in size macavity [16:45] alienBOB: yes, i did. Linux is not Windows, and i somewhat don't see anything official in things. but hey, we can keep trolling about it. how about that? i'll keep my opinion, you keep yours and we call it a day? [16:46] alienBOB: then that is probably why i found it to be speedwise on par.. as i have a laptop [16:46] alienBOB: he asked about 64bit, i've pointed out there is slamd64 - official, or not. [16:46] stybla: The size of binaries can be reduced by using upx-ucl in the build process. [16:46] I am starting to regret bringing the official thing up [16:47] macavity, 64-bit makes them bigger, it makes the types bigger too, and that mostly means that binaries and has the effect of taking more cache space for the same amount of data (almost doubles it, effectively halving your cache size), but the x86_64 spec doubles the number of general purpose registers and registers are faster than cache [16:47] Don't be sorry Cryptic_Donkey [16:47] Cryptic_Donkey: don't be :) [16:47] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Cryptic_Donkey: trolling about something is one of ways how to kill time ;) [16:47] edman007: roger [16:47] edman007: Not if you compress the binaries with upx-ucl. [16:47] edman007: on my machine everything seemed pretty much on par.. at least startup wise [16:48] edman007: but again, i only have a 7200RPM laptop drive [16:48] macavity, and that is why most architectures 64-bit is slower than 32-bit (PPC) because they have the same number of registers [16:48] edman007: but i suspect i wont take a big hit, since i have 4MB cache [16:48] Shingoshi, compress them? the size barely matters since binaries are generally small, what matters is you can fit as much code in your cache [16:49] Shingoshi: sorry. umm if you know you will upgrade, then enable it in kernel in advance. afaik it won't hurt, but kernel will be larger a bit. [16:49] wow...what's next...http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10242451-92.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 [16:49] edman007: interesting.. does gcc cope well with the extra registers? traditionally it has not been very good at utilizing registers on architectures like SPARC (which has 128 general purpose registers in each window) [16:49] I had much more of a hit on my MIPS processor with 512 kB L2 cache than on my SPARC with 4 MB L2 cache [16:50] macavity: And how much better do you think I am with 8-16GBs, as provided by the Intel ich10r chipset. [16:50] Shingoshi: i have never used up more than 1GB myself, so i am not the one to ask [16:51] Shingoshi: i cant grasp how any other than 3D rendering jobs can use that kind of RAM [16:51] macavity, well IIRC they changed the standard ABI spec too to make sure the stack is not used to pass data between functions, that helps with register utilization, but as i said before, a lot of things see at least 15% boost in speed, so i suppose that means it works [16:51] macavity: I erroneously read MB as GB. Sorry! [16:51] and x86_64 still has very few registers compared to SPARC or PPC [16:52] macavity, hahaha? [16:52] s/?// [16:52] i use > 1GB..always [16:52] macavity: And I didn't see that you said cache, not memory. I have 6MB cache here. [16:52] -/+ buffers/cache: 2474 5500 [16:53] so about 2.5GB used, and i'm not running any VMs [16:53] Shingoshi: i am not the one to judge this.. edman007 probably knows more about this than i do.. i'm the kind of jerk who compiles things with -Os just to get them off the HDD faster [16:53] ...actually that is probably xchat, i think its leaky... [16:53] edman007: eh? lucky you. i just found out that 2GBs in new server will be just enough. [16:53] macavity: Please explain -Os [16:53] macavity, -Os is goon when you have a tiny cache... [16:54] Shingoshi: -Os is the flag that tells gcc to optimize for size rather than speed [16:54] Shingoshi: in practice that means -O2 minus anything that causes enlargments [16:54] Shingoshi: look it up in the gcc manpage [16:55] ok [16:55] So size gives smaller binaries, and speed is faster? [16:55] Shingoshi: anyways, slamd64 vs slackware: my main concern for you is not the speed (you have a pretty damn nice CPU anyways), but rather: learning and support [16:56] Shingoshi, basically the idea behind it is by decreasing the size of the code it will come off the drive faster and get more stuff in the cache, but for most systems with a large cache it just means that you get excess branching instructions which really screw up the flow in the processor (but if it makes the active code fit perfectly in the cache, that generally will make it faster) [16:56] Shingoshi: this i reccomend slackware first.. then, when you get proficient you can switch to slamd64 [16:56] If you're going to be burning cds all day, go slamd64, otherwise, it really does not matter. [16:56] Shingoshi: after all, we are a lot more slackware users in here than slamd64 users [16:56] Buggaboo: doesn't it? [16:56] i bet a 32 bit OS would run pretty snappy and responsive on 64 bit hardware (just a guess) [16:56] I come here for fun. Was a slacker for years though. [16:57] so for a system with 6M of cache, -Os will slow it down, but for systems with only a few kB of cache it will speed it up (since then the loops actually fit in the cache) [16:57] stybla, you done any benchmarking? [16:57] edman007: that *highly* depends [16:57] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) left ##slackware ("()"). [16:57] macavity: I've already run Slamd64. I am already proficient at it. I was just hoping PatV would release 64-bit in Slackware-13.0 [16:57] yea..it does [16:58] Buggaboo: no, but i'm ready to order 64bit parts as replacement, so - guess what (slamd64 was planned) [16:58] edman007: for stuff that is very linear in execution, and working on large data sets, my messurements say that -Os is the fastest [16:58] edman007: whereas stuff with a kazilion itterations over compact data... kind of loses steam :P [16:58] edman007: gcc should be compiled with -Os *always* if you ask me [16:59] macavity, depends on how much cache you have... [16:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:59] stybla: I held off on installing Slamd64 again, thinking there might FINALLY be an OFFICIAL 64-bit Slackware. [16:59] i'll do some quick benchmarks though... [16:59] stybla, for sentimental reasons, I run slackware on kvm (virtualization) from slamd64. [16:59] to test my projects on. [16:59] edman007: i have 4MB, but i also tested on an AthlonXP (256KB) [16:59] stybla, and I run slackware at work. [16:59] edman007: grep becomes faster with -Os too [16:59] edman007: notacibly [16:59] what 1990's television show popularized the term "do a barrel roll" [17:00] Buggaboo: yes, so i've heard it runs pretty fine in virtualization and there were no problems with it [slamd64] [17:00] Shingoshi: i don't want to. i just won't reinstall it couple months later - i might not be around. [17:00] macavity, i'll bench openssl...one minute [17:00] Buggaboo: that's why i don't hesitate to put it on. [17:00] yep. [17:00] edman007: ssl is pretty dense [17:01] macavity: So the larger the processor cache, the less justification to use -Os? [17:01] edman007: that might benefit highly from loop unrolling [17:01] I wonder how long it will take for fred to convert to txz. [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-128.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] macavity, well pick something, i'll just build it and run a few tests [17:01] Buggaboo: but if it's not worthy, i'm comfy to stay with _official_ slackware :P [17:01] Shingoshi: as a rule of thumb, yes [17:01] slacker36 (n=slacker3@76.114.92.145) joined ##slackware. [17:01] edman007: grep :P [17:01] what is that in? [17:02] core utils? [17:02] i wanna run slackware at work [17:02] Shingoshi: but again, as edman007 is investigating my claim, it can also depend on how the application was written, and what kind of data it operates on in what fashion [17:02] edman007: grep-2.5.4-i486-1 [17:02] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] But generally, -Os is not needed on large cache systems? [17:03] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Shingoshi: well.. i make the trade, because my disk is so slow [17:03] Real optimizations could be gotten from actual algorithm improvements... this whole 64bit vs. 32bit stuff is just nitpicking... [17:03] Shingoshi: id rather have things start fast than run fast [17:03] Buggaboo: we hare far beyond 32 vs 64 now [17:03] macavity: Oh! I'm using SATA with RAID here. So none of that matters to me then. [17:03] Buggaboo: we have ventured into where the gentoo people starts drooling ;-) [17:04] Shingoshi: probably not.. and since your system is generally plenty fast, you could care less [17:04] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Shingoshi: you probably wouldnt even notice whatever you were running costum binaries and/or slamd/slackware [17:04] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] macavity: Yes. I will be building for machines that have four or more cores in each processor! [17:05] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.123.22) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:05] I've enabled support for 256 cpus in my kernel. [17:05] oops - macavity mentioned the "G" word [17:05] Shingoshi: dont expect to get very good utilization of the last few cores [17:06] macavity: Why? [17:06] Shingoshi: not many apps are geared towards that level of multithreading [17:06] Unless they're written in erlang. [17:06] Buggaboo: but they arent... [17:06] macavity: I'm thinking ahead, with the intent of compiling everything myself. [17:06] Buggaboo: even if he uses all five erlang apps that wont matter ;-D [17:07] or some other non-memory-sharing language... [17:07] Shingoshi: you cant compile stuff into becomming multithreaded [17:07] ok [17:07] macavity: It has to be written in then? [17:07] yes [17:07] ok [17:07] btw, erlang is not completely non-sharing... ETS and DETS... [17:07] stybla : welcome to irc. people do disappear sometimes [17:08] macavity: Are there compilers that can provide it better? [17:08] Shingoshi: there is nothing a compiler can do about it [17:08] ok [17:08] ananke: oh, was that a threat? [17:08] Shingoshi: its the programmer who has to write the code such that it splits itself up and runs different tasks in diffrent threads [17:09] Shingoshi: and some tasks simply cant be devided [17:09] macavity: Is that why Slackware doesn't ship a multithreaded tcl/tk? [17:09] stybla : you're just full of surprises today, aren't you. i'm referring to your last comment directed at men: ananke: so far for your disapperance [17:09] jxberth (n=jx@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Shingoshi: i dont know about that... [17:09] s/men/me [17:10] slacker36 (n=slacker3@76.114.92.145) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] Shingoshi: or perhaps because Patrick thought the multithread port of tcl/tk was not mature enought [17:10] ananke: how is officiality connected to irc and disappearing of people? [17:10] Shingoshi: that is in 99.9% of the cases why slackware doesnt have/do something [17:10] stybla : can you rephrase that, in english this time? [17:10] Shingoshi: Patrick always picks stability over features/speed [17:11] Action: Shingoshi understands. It's just frustrating sometimes. [17:11] Shingoshi: 1) security 2) stability 3) features 4) speed - that *seems* like his order of preference [17:11] stybla : you're the one who brought up disappearance first. you tell me [17:11] ananke: 23:07 < ananke> stybla : welcome to irc. people do disappear sometimes <<< how is this associated with "official slackware", i don't know. [17:11] Shingoshi: you can just make your own tcl/tk packages.. the slackbuilds are in source/ on your local ftp mirror [17:12] stybla : you said it first: ananke: so far for your disapperance [17:12] or in your local subscription cd/dvd [17:12] I've done that before. I think I did the same with PERL also. [17:13] ananke: may be you would like to scroll a bit more up. [17:13] tcl/tk, woah, people still use that? [17:14] macavity: Would it be IMPOSSIBLE to compile applications with equal support for 32 and 64 bit? [17:14] stybla : what would that result in ? [17:14] jxberth (n=jx@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [17:14] Shingoshi: uhm, i think you need to understand how a computer instruction set works :P [17:14] Shingoshi: and what adressing mode is [17:14] Shingoshi, define equal support? [17:14] macavity: Keeping them in separate directories. [17:14] ananke: oh, i see. you just want to keep trolling, don't you? [17:14] Shingoshi: you mean, compile it twice? [17:15] Buggaboo: Building each with native. [17:15] some people just prefer arguing silly comments than contributing anything useful [17:15] ananke: bother yourself to reply to whole context, not just part, or do me a favor and shut up. [17:15] macavity: Yes! Doing two compiles in ONE package! [17:15] Shingoshi: one time for 32 bit, sticking it in /usr/bin32/ and one time for 64 bit, sticking it in /usr/bin64? [17:15] yes [17:15] That is called multilib [17:15] Shingoshi: sure.. but what a waste of time :P [17:15] stybla : your lack of context is what's baffling [17:15] thrice`: ain't that the truth. :P [17:16] ananke: can you stop? It's getting old quickly [17:16] Shingoshi: just compile the libraries with multilib support, and both 32 and 64 bit apps will run on the platform (provied it it a 64 bit kernel) [17:16] some people just prefer to add snotty comments and think it shows off their superiority [17:16] Shingoshi: that is what slamd64 does [17:16] thrice` : can you stop butting in? [17:16] Not on big machines. Especially if LTSP is provided. [17:16] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] butting into what? your childish argument ? just drop this stuff [17:17] there's an ignore function on your clients, use it? [17:17] Buggaboo: that doesnt keep the air clean in here [17:17] thrice`> dont feed the troll [17:17] Buggaboo: and we are actually quite a few who insist that ##slackware should be a pleasant place [17:18] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] bah, openssl has some funny config stuff, it was a bad choice, anyways, i did the -O3 (default), and i will compare to -Os [17:18] I completely agree with that bit. [17:18] and i'll try -O2 as well [17:18] edman007: as i said, ssl is not a good test subject [17:19] OK I'll state in public as well - some people in this channel had better ignore one another, the atmosphere here will benefit, and it will prevent several bans [17:19] edman007: ssl will most likely support your point of view, and not at all ilustrate mine (which is that there is a "hole" in the common folklore about -Os) [17:19] macavity, alright, i'm giving up, it failed to build :/ openssl hates me [17:19] i'll do grep [17:19] alienBOB: thank you :-) [17:19] ubuntu_ (n=ubuntu@adsl-2-252-211.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] macavity: It would be really wild to compile both 32 and 64 bit in a single kernel, creating two separate bzlinuz specified by ARCH! [17:20] >_< [17:20] Shingoshi: stop smoking that :P [17:20] I don't know. It's just an idea. [17:21] Shingoshi: it just doesnt work like that... a 64 bit kernel can perfectly well handle 32 bit binaries [17:21] Shingoshi, you could hotswap a kernel nowadays. [17:21] Shingoshi: slamd64 does that all the time [17:21] linux I mean. [17:21] If you look at the kernels from Slamd64 and Slackware, you'll see they don't put the modules in the same directory in /lib [17:21] Shingoshi: yes they do :) [17:21] :P [17:22] ubuntu_ (n=ubuntu@adsl-2-252-211.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:22] Shingoshi: the slamd64 and bw64 kernels are configured to run 32bit binaries [17:22] Buggaboo: kexec works flawlessly? [17:22] grep builds fast too :) [17:22] Shingoshi: if you want to get creative with your imagination, i suspect you are better of in another area that requires less extencive knowledge about computer architecture ;-) [17:23] edman007: now you just need a good 1TB text file to grep :P [17:23] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:23] hey! [17:23] Cann0n: hello. [17:23] thrice`: I've already done it here. kernel-huge-smp doesn't have a suffix like Slackware uses. So you can have both /lib/modules on one system. [17:23] Cann0n: give me a cookie! [17:23] Hey Cann0n [17:24] Action: Cann0n bakes some loaded cookies for macavity [17:24] Cann0n: i know you have some! give one now" [17:24] ! [17:24] Shingoshi: oh, I see what you mean. I thought you meant /lib vs. /li64 [17:24] Cann0n: thataboy! :-D [17:24] Action: macavity pads Cann0n on the head [17:24] :) [17:24] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-2-252-211.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:24] slamd64 doesn't have the -smp kernels, because every CPU to which slamd64 will run on will support smp, so it's just the default [17:25] macavity: :) i coked them up with a half pound of good shit... half a cookie might kill you. >:) [17:25] that, and the non-smp code in the 32 bit configuration is considered obsolete [17:25] s/coked/cooked [17:25] Buggaboo: I've looked into kernel swapping. It's not mature enough to keep things active. Processes are terminated when switching kernels. [17:25] what I actually want, is a system that can boot in 5 seconds flat. I think http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot will get us there. [17:25] firebird619: sup? hows fluxbox treating you? [17:26] Cann0n: the first one was more creative :) [17:26] macavity, i tried a 100M of random, goes too fast, so i will grep FF source [17:26] thrice`: Well, I only use smp. So it's the only thing I'm concerned with. [17:26] Cann0n: ouch.. that was close.. i had five years clean not too long ago.. glad you gave me a heads up.. otherwise i would probably have killed you ;-) [17:26] macavity: lol [17:26] edman007: dont forget about memory caching.. only seccond run counts :P [17:26] i got some sunburn at the beach today... 4 hours under the sun will make anyones skin burn [17:26] yea yea, i'll run a dozen times or so :) [17:27] Cann0n: you will glow in the dark :P [17:27] Cann0n: fluxbox is treating me well. :) Thanks again for sending your config stuff. I'm using the menu you and some other things of your's with a few modifications. I really like the menu setup. [17:28] firebird619: glad someone got to use my stuff! lol. i'm going to rewrite the menu in a tree [17:28] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [17:29] macavity: i'llbe darker than my gf and she is black/latin [17:29] I want the launcher stuff with physics they got at mac. [17:29] Cann0n: My flux setup is about perfect now. I've just been looking for some more music wallpapers. [17:29] Cann0n: i take it you are white? [17:29] Cann0n: err.. or was :P [17:29] lol im red now... but yeah. white lol [17:29] firebird619: screenshot or it didn't happen [17:30] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] drijen: k, sec. I'm just swtiching styles to something different. [17:31] When i checked libpcap, I could see that it was using /dev/bpf as the file to get the raw packets from. But on slackware I can't find file. If that is the case, can someone tell me how something like tcpdump works? [17:31] because I think even tcpdump relies on /dev/bpf [17:31] or atleast libpcap [17:31] macavity, alright, -O3 > -O2 > -Os, but my system is swimming in cache (total of 24MB L2), my test gave me about 0.915s for -Os, 0.890s for -O2, and 0.887s, +/- 0.005s for all tests [17:31] Action: poona forgot to say Hi :) [17:32] Damn, I wanna try wolframalpha too... but it's getting hit pretty hard. [17:32] edman007: interesting.. my -Os grep is notacibly faster [17:32] Hi poona [17:32] firebird619: Hi [17:33] edman007: 667FSB, Core2Duo 2.16 (T7400), 2GB RAM in 3-3-3-5 configuration [17:33] edman007: thats a 4MB cache [17:34] dual-1333FSB, 8GB (quad channel @ DDR2-667), and 4x6MB cache (so grep sees 6MB cache) [17:34] cpu is 2.33Ghz quad core (e5410, the 45um one) [17:35] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:35] Action: Shingoshi has Q9400 running at 2.9GHz [17:36] edman007: what did you shell out for that box?!? [17:36] $3k [17:36] Action: macavity hangs is head and cries [17:36] *his [17:37] lol [17:37] macavity: you're heads? [17:38] edman007: Did you buy a prebuilt box? I built my own FOUR-SOCKET Liquid-Cooled server for less than that. Although, I only have two processors in it. [17:38] heh [17:38] now i will be shot in the attempt to rob a bank.. and edman007 will be to blame :P [17:38] edman007: you better give me that box before you have a murder on your hands [17:38] macavity: can you withdraw a million for me, please? [17:38] Whats a good way to encode moves for the creative zen player on linux? [17:39] thumbs: ill look into it :P [17:39] macavity: thanks [17:39] Shingoshi, i got hardware raid5 (4x500GB), a good vid card, a lian li case...and the mobo supports DDR2-800 with a 1600FSB (its the new chipset) [17:39] wtf is wolframalpha anyway [17:39] Action: Shingoshi has this machine: http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=6058167&postcount=1692 [17:40] Shingoshi, but i built it myself, at the time i bought it, prebuilt was running $4500-$5000+ for similar specs [17:40] edman007: yours is a 2x(2x2) configuration, right? [17:40] http://edman007.com/8way/p1020098.jpg [17:40] yea [17:40] http://www.ocforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72743&stc=1&d=1239416158 [17:40] drijen: http://imagebin.org/49282 [17:41] edman007: technically that is a NUMA system :P [17:41] thats some fine looking hardware edman007 [17:41] numa numa! [17:41] maya heee mayahooo [17:41] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:41] macavity, mine is not [17:42] firebird619: nod nod [17:42] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [17:42] but Pig_Pen's is... [17:42] err Shingoshi [17:42] edman007: the claim belongs to Ulric Drepper... i dont dare argue :P [17:42] ?? [17:42] nooo, not ulrich [17:42] edman007: fetch "what every programmer should know about memory" [17:42] macavity, my system only has one memory controller... [17:42] ahh.. right [17:42] Action: macavity doohs [17:43] Opteron controllers are on each chip! [17:43] so.. Core i7? [17:43] the quad socket amd is numa though, and the new i7 is numa [17:43] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:43] riiight [17:44] firebird619: good job, that looks great. :) [17:44] I built that before i7 came out. Over a year ago. [17:44] chopp: thanks. :) [17:44] And I can upgrade to six-core Istanbul chips, when available. [17:44] i wonder if they ever make some controler<->controler bridge system that will make memory allocation transferable when a thread/process migrates to another core [17:44] that would cut the NUMA factor to 0 [17:45] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] Action: Shingoshi has to eat. See you guys later. [17:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:46] later Shingoshi [17:47] bye Shingoshi:) [17:48] hi hitest, how are you? [17:48] macavity, uhh...they do..you just transfer over hypertransport (for amd), but in general it is a big problem because often you don't know what thread needs what memory when, so it can get very difficult if the program does not use the NUMA apis to specify what it needs and when [17:49] jocho (n=jocho@200.44.217.173) joined ##slackware. [17:51] I'm good firebird619:) ty. how are you? [17:51] doing great, thanks. :) [17:52] :) yw [17:52] slack track updated [17:53] edman007: roger [17:54] edman007: it would be nice if the hardware facilitated "gluing" a pid/tid to a memory allocation (eg, the kernel only have to signify to the CPU/memory controller what program this is requested for), so such transferes could be done in hardware [17:55] edman007: current Opeterons actually support destinguishing between kernel code and user land code.. that way the entire cache dont have to be flooded on context switch [17:55] *flushed [17:57] macavity, they pretty much are done that way, the problem arises mostly when that information can't be determined, like one process allocates 1 heap and spawns a bunch of threads, what parts of the heap should be bound to what thread? what if you have a CPU intensive thread, and another that uses memory but not much CPU? how should those be allocated differently, each CPU only has a limited amount of memory, and you want to use all memory a [17:57] nd all CPU [17:57] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:59] most apps however don't tell the OS what portion of the shared heap it will be using, and it can be very difficult to determine (like if memory allocation is in its own heap, the the allocator is never the user) [18:02] firebird619: just finished redoing to menu... im gonna add more icons to finish and i'll email you it if you'd like. bpb pizza here [18:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430477.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] Cann0n: ok, if you'd wanna e-mail it that'd be great. Thank you. :) [18:04] is it possible to quota a directory? not a user ? [18:04] I was just editing my menu right now and sort of messed it up. :P [18:06] jeev : no. it's per filesystem [18:06] crap [18:06] i have 2x1.5tb raided, i want to use it for nfs purposes [18:06] what should i do? create a partition for each user ? [18:06] jeev : you want to have quotas for their home dirs? [18:07] i want to use it for nfs. [18:07] sorry, didnt mean user, i meant server [18:07] i want to dedicate x amount of space for each server on the LAN [18:08] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:08] hey guys [18:08] y0 compl3x, how's it going? [18:08] firebird619: pretty awesome - yourself? [18:09] compl3x: doing great, thanks. Just trying to fix the mess-up I made with the flux menu. :P [18:09] firebird619: I always back mine up-- [18:10] jeev : will that space be shared between servers, or will each server have its own dir? [18:10] firebird619: Know how to resize my eterm window?- got no borders on it now :p [18:10] each server has it's own dir [18:10] different people.. [18:10] compl3x: Oh I have a backup, I'm just trying to figure out what happened. :P [18:10] i guess i could create a user for it still, set that as the home dir [18:10] and /etc/exports it, right ? [18:10] compl3x: Um, no, never figured that one out. [18:10] firebird619: haha probably a missing parenthesis [18:11] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "leaving" [18:11] jeev : not sure i get a clear picture: what will you be exporting? is using multiple filesystems possible? [18:11] compl3x: Well, Cann0n sent me his config stuff, I'm using his menu as I like it better, but I was trying to change one thing and..well..oops. :P [18:11] firebird619: may i have a look? fresh pair of eyes may help [18:12] firebird619: to resize you just press alt + right click [= [18:12] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.81.188) joined ##slackware. [18:13] compl3x: sure, sec. The main thing is I wanted to move the Applications menu out of the More menu, I accomplished that, then I tried to move the Run, Search, and Exit out of More, and when I did that, the Applications menu completely disappeared. [18:13] firebird619: pastebin the bad menu, lets have a look [18:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] probs a missing [sub] [18:13] or close [18:14] ananke, i have 10 servers, i want to dedicate x variable amount of space to each server. [18:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.10) left irc: [18:14] oh. [18:14] i'm guessing that i have to add a user into /storage/server1.. give it a quota, then add to the nfs exports file to only allow a certain ip. [18:14] that way i could set up quota [18:15] oh oh oh [18:15] jeev : if you're going to split that space up between those servers, you can use separate filesystems rather than quotas [18:15] jeev : LVM would allow you to start from small amounts, and grow those live [18:15] hey could someone give me a link to a migration to kde 4 on slackware 12.0 ? [18:15] oh elaly [18:16] kde 4 on 12.0 o.0 [18:16] compl3x: -ENOEXIST [18:16] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "dsfadsf" [18:16] rworkman: I gathered as much [18:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] rworkman: was paul who asked. [18:16] er, that was intended for paul424 :) [18:17] mac_s (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:17] hi there [18:17] anyone configured infrared under 2.6.x ? [18:18] so you suggest lvm ? [18:18] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-193-149-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:18] i think a separate user would probably be best [18:18] setting quota for that certain user.. yo uthink i'm wrong ? [18:19] confrey (n=dario@94.163.143.236) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hi everybody [18:19] jeev : it really depends on your ultimate goal [18:20] helo [18:20] rworkman: why I cannot install kde4.0 on my own [18:20] ok hmm [18:20] paul424: you're not qualified :( [18:21] paul424: you will have to compile everything yourself, and upgrade a large part of your Slackware [18:21] You'll be better off to wait for the next Slackware release and upgrade to that paul424 [18:21] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-178-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Am I the only person who does NOT want kde4? [18:22] yes [18:22] ;> [18:22] Action: compl3x doesn't like shiny wm's [18:22] compl3x: nope, I have kde on none of my systems. :P [18:23] You are not *forced* to use KDE [18:23] There is plenty to play with in Slackware apart from KDE [18:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:23] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:23] also, I think you can dull down kde4's looks to make it appear pretty close to kde3 [18:23] Ugh, the internet went out. :( [18:23] nope, compl3x from what i seen of kde4 i am fairly certain i may just stick with kde3 [18:24] Pig_Pen: sounds like a plan [18:24] hmm, i dunno how to get to the "services" installation again, pkgtool takes me but doesn't allow me to do anyting [18:24] compl3x: Did my link for the menu show up here before the internet went out? [18:24] jeev: it's easiest just to use chmod to enable / disable services [18:24] firebird_619: nope [18:25] Ok, here: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13782 [18:25] If I disappear again, it'll be because the Internet goes out again. :P [18:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:26] oh ok [18:26] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [18:26] firebird619> you COULD use a panel [18:26] or maybe fluxbox could follow the fdo standards [18:27] chowabunga: Yeah, could do that. [18:28] fsview is one sexy looking application [18:29] chowabunga: you use fluxbox? Have any screenshots out there of it? [18:29] no i dont use fluxbox [18:29] chowabunga: Ah, ok. :) [18:29] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:29] chowabunga: I'm curious then, what do you use? [18:30] im not that much of a minimalist [18:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:30] xfce4 [18:30] its like fluxbox, but functional [18:30] cool. I was using xfce 4.6 before I switched to flux, and before that KDE 3.5.10 [18:31] back [18:31] wb Cann0n [18:31] firebird619: what that new menu layout? [18:32] sure [18:32] I've messed up the other one. :P [18:32] lol [18:32] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:32] try to change one thing and mess up a thousand. :P [18:32] I tried to move the Applications menu and Run, Search, Exit out of More and failed. [18:33] that sure is a lot of menu firebird619 to sort through [18:33] MadonnaRules (i=185d8ab7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-59687715dd73aad2) joined ##slackware. [18:33] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86-46-193-149-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] Hi, I'm supposed to be banned. [18:33] shit dude... mybad. i used full paths for the icons [18:33] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0345D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] heh how long does a quota check take :/ [18:33] let me ~/ that instead of /home/jack lol [18:34] I am installing Slackware on a 386 33 MHz [18:34] Or should I go with my Sharp PC with a 4 MHz 8086? [18:34] firebird619: I dont use submenus - I use split it up into sections using [nop](--Editors--) [18:34] MadonnaRules, .. why? [18:34] whats a good program like eye of gnome [18:35] firebird619: got a screenshot of that menu? [18:35] MadonnaRules: i think you should put your slackware CD in to a blender and drink it like a smoothie [18:35] Because I need to keep costs down by getting every last CPU cycle out of legacy hardware. [18:35] screw it, i dont need quota [18:35] MadonnaRules> good idea [18:38] compl3x: yeah, sec. [18:38] i think he is missing an [end] somewhere, probably for one of those "more" submenu [18:38] Pig_Pen: already said that :P [18:39] jeev : initial quota check takes more time, and it all depends on how much data you have and speed of your cpu/disk [18:39] firebird619: sent [18:39] Cann0n: k, thanks. [18:39] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] if it was not such a big menu overall i would sort through it, also i have not used blackbox/fluxbox in a couple of years since i took to liking openbox [18:40] Pig_Pen: you should check out my fluxbox menu [18:40] Cann0n: pastebin it [= [18:40] is it bigger? [18:40] Pig_Pen: I got mine from Cann0n. [18:40] compl3x: cant. too many files [18:40] MadonnaRules (i=185d8ab7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-59687715dd73aad2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:40] Cann0n: Too many files? [18:40] Pig_Pen: got a screenshot of your openbox? [18:40] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [18:40] if i use a lightweight wm i would want the submenu small too [18:41] compl3x: http://imagebin.org/49288 [18:41] compl3x: lol ~/.fluxbox/menu/menu pipes in about 15 menu files [18:41] Cann0n: ah right [18:41] firebird619: thats sexy [18:41] Im gonna redo my menu haha [18:42] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:42] want my menu setup compl3x? [18:42] Cann0n: sure [18:42] i can post one if you want, but my desktop is not real pretty like some people make them [18:42] mine has billions of desktop icons :) [18:42] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] compl3x: pm me your email :) [18:43] chowabunga: billions? You use a 62 inch tv screen then? :P [18:43] or do you have a scrollbar for the desktop [18:43] yeah more icons than pixels [18:43] hrrr [18:43] Cann0n: Im using irssi and havent worked out how to PM yet haha [18:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:43] ##slackware: mode change '+d cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [18:43] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [18:43] compl3x: "/msg Cann0n email_here" [18:43] somehow I hear you saying "billions and billions of icons" in a Carl Sagan voice... [18:44] Cann0n: /msg Cann0n eblundell@gmail.com [18:44] lol [18:44] hahaha [18:44] That will keep MadonnaRules out next time [18:44] Fail [18:44] Urchlay> no, bob sagat [18:44] Well, you got it Cann0n [18:44] haha [18:44] compl3x: that works for me. [18:44] :p [18:44] firebird619: is the transparency in that theme? [18:44] compl3x: You shouldn't have typed Cann0n: first. [18:45] http://imagebin.org/49289 here ya go, my openbox desktop in all its uglyness, i am using rox filer to draw the icons & wallpaper [18:45] firebird619: really? - haha I know it was an accident [18:45] compl3x: yeah, you don't use that when sending a pm. :) [18:45] firebird619: XD [18:45] Pig_Pen> LOL, learn to make things shiny noob! [18:45] how else will you get the girls [18:46] Action: compl3x hates shiny [18:46] Pig_Pen: I think that looks nice and functional. :) [18:46] lol [18:46] i dont care if it shines or not, i want it to look like some ancent drawing [18:46] but the girls scoff [18:46] Action: macavity loves shiny.. especially if it is latex [18:46] compl3x: No, transparency is set in ~/.fluxbox/init [18:46] Pig_Pen: xmms ++ [= [18:46] firebird619: cheers [= [18:46] deh be saying, i haz ubuntu cube sponner! [18:47] the artist that did that wallpaper is E.F. Escher, he did some awesome drawings for pencil & paper [18:47] n dis n dat [18:47] tije (n=tije@189.175.108.100) joined ##slackware. [18:47] MC Escher? [18:48] MC escher? i guess, i know it is escher [18:48] he's a good deejay [18:48] ah, you got me!!! familyguy joke, i seen that cartoon [18:49] http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/snapshot2.jpg [18:49] Cann0n: Got it. Thank you. [18:49] compl3x: it's off! [18:49] Cann0n: cheers [= [18:49] tije (n=tije@189.175.108.100) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] firebird619: np. finally all my afforts are being seen!!! yay! [18:49] family guy joke? [18:49] yeah [18:49] no [18:50] let me see if i can find the vid [18:50] Cann0n: Whoa, what style is that? One you made I assume? [18:50] Pig_Pen> god no [18:50] "linksys" what a clever SSID [18:50] how did you come up with that one [18:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaJgM3G8nDw [18:50] the background wasnt. i made the telephone pole one. but yeah, i did the theme.cfg [18:50] chowabunga: it is, if the WAP is actually made by netgear? [18:51] Cann0n: Very nice. :) [18:51] chowabunga: lol [18:51] thank you! :) go to More.../Appearence/Backgrounds in the flux menu [18:51] Cann0n: K, will do/ [18:51] and use the ideal-o-tron style [18:51] Cann0n: not bad [= [18:52] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Cann0n: "heater" haha [18:52] errr. set the style first then bg [18:52] k [18:52] compl3x: lol this lappy runs at very high temps (76C-79C) [18:53] the local NPR radio station crapped out again, i will be glad when they get a decent transmitter & antenna setup [18:53] Cann0n: haha id freeze to death without my pc [18:53] Cann0n: Probably because you hotbox it :P [18:53] lol agentc0re [18:53] better not use that laptop on your actual lap [18:54] agentc0re: i could scarp my heatsinc for resin [18:54] Urchlay: no doubt. :) [18:54] s/scarp/scrape [18:54] you probably don't even need to go that far. [18:54] start with your keyboard. [18:55] also, if you want my conky setup, that's a pastebin away [18:55] had a box that said it ran at 70+ C, it turned out to be a misconfigured lmsensors [18:55] (but that was a while back, it was a celeron 500 or so) [18:56] celeron's did run hot though, iirc. [18:56] Urchlay: this is a 2.8GHz :) it's def not an error. its loud with all the fans kicking [18:56] Urchlay> that would be obvious [18:56] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:57] agentc0re: this one was actually underclocked. IIRC it was meant to run at 100x5, but the crappy board it was on, I could only run it at 75x6 [18:58] eh, something to that effect. Was a few years back, I don't exactly remember what I had for breakfast yesterday even [18:58] (oh, wait, yes I do: 3 cups of coffee, same as every day...) [18:59] lol [19:00] im so proud of my fluxbox! [19:00] :) [19:00] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] Cann0n: You should be, it's nice. :P [19:01] hey agentc0re, how goes it? [19:01] Cann0n: I promise, I'll try not to mess this menu up. :P [19:02] firebird619: lol thanks! your the first person ive showed the inside of how i do it. compl3x is the second. :) i'd like to finish the icons but that took so long to do.... [19:02] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:02] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] Cann0n: Yeah, that takes a while, but the end result/look is very nice. [19:03] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:03] thats many years in the making! lol [19:03] Cann0n: make a script that automatically searches for the icon, if found, add it to the menu. :P [19:04] firebird619: EH, SSDD. [19:05] agentc0re: hahaha [19:05] it's really been that way for a long time too. [19:05] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-253-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] agentc0re: ain't that the truth though. :P [19:06] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Cann0n: Want to hear the most stupid thing i have ever done? [19:06] firebird619: i should but i would know where to start. i'd like te make my own some day when i get around to it... or made set up the icon dir with simplified generic names so you could just drop any theme in there as ~/.fluxbox/icons [19:06] compl3x: duh! [19:06] compl3x: sure [19:06] Just extracted your email into my home directory - course the heirachy remaind and it took out all my flux config haha [19:07] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:07] compl3x: nice [19:07] compl3x: good work. [19:07] no its not lol [19:07] aww! lol my bad dude! but atleast you have some killer settings now! lol [19:07] lol [19:07] Cann0n: haha nooo :p [19:08] compl3x: Oh man, I don't have the ideal-o-tron in the list, I somehow messed that up too. I FAIL. :( [19:08] err, Cann0n ^^^ [19:08] firebird619: should be in styles [19:08] Cann0n: It isn't. [19:08] I looked...twice [19:09] hmm. you still have the tar.bz2? [19:09] Cann0n: Oh well, I still have your other tar.bz2, so I can easily put it back in. [19:09] Cann0n: holy barrell of monkeys that's quite a menu. [19:09] :) [19:10] That's like a menu on steroids. [19:10] yeah. it's prety sweet. im glad i redid it again [19:10] grr fluxbox is messed up now - brb guys :p [19:11] hahaha [19:11] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [19:11] lol messed up? how? [19:11] He's gone [19:11] lol [19:11] He could have avoided that by paying attention. :P [19:12] Any of you using this: Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) [19:12] heres my menu http://pastebin.com/d43b6902e [19:12] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] lol Pig_Pen [19:13] thats the KISS philosophy in me [19:14] lol very simple. i like it. [19:14] Pig_Pen: lol [19:14] Pig_Pen: why have a menu, when you can have a shortcut key to that? [19:14] yeah, [19:14] you could make rightclick just open a term [19:14] that would do [19:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] i could paste my openbox menu, but instead of adding lots things to it, i took out lots of stuff and only added a little [19:15] Mouse1 execcommand xterm [19:15] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:15] in ~/.fluxbox/keys [19:16] what method should i use to acl nfs? [19:16] Well that was interesting. Just like that, the keyboard wouldn't work. Had to restart. :P [19:16] i'd prefer to stay away from a firewall solution [19:17] jeev: I'm not very familiar with it, but i would venture to guess it would support your passwd file as a means for a acl. [19:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:17] compl3k should just rm -rf ~/.fluxbox and cp mine in [19:17] or, mv it. [19:17] agentc0re, nfs? i dont think nfs cares about the passwd files.. [19:17] so you have a backup [19:17] or that [19:17] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [19:17] i mean does hosts.deny,allow work with nfs ? [19:18] jeev: I thought it did. [19:18] Cann0n: very nice menu, I think I'll leave this one alone. :P [19:18] pwndog (n=pwndog@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [19:19] i mean i can limit it in /etc/exports for a specific IP.. i still want to filter out with other methods [19:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-253-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] :) there might be a bunch of stuff in there that you dont have. it's not hard editing things. just go to the corresponding file :) [19:20] Cann0n: yeah, like I don't have wine and I change Web Browser to opera instead of FF. :) [19:20] :) much better than looking through all of one single file... especially when you have wordwarp on [19:21] yeah [19:21] Ah, there's ideal-o-tron :) [19:21] !! [19:21] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.17.154) left irc: "Leaving" [19:22] Hmm, you must have added rounded corners to yours, mine's square. :P [19:22] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [19:22] mine have to "shake" the menu a bit [19:22] confrey (n=dario@94.163.143.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] click and drag. mine does that... and sometimes the transparency farks up the toolbar until you open something... its a bug. it happens on all themes with corners and/or transparency [19:23] Argh, now changing styles changes the wallpaper. :P [19:24] the guys in #fluxbox dont like hearing bugs [19:24] firebird619: yeah, but you can swap backgrounds easy in the appearance menu [19:24] Cann0n: Oh yeah, I know, it just didn't do that before. [19:24] root (n=root@203.194.105.66) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Nick change: root -> Guest30303 [19:25] Guest30303 (n=root@203.194.105.66) left irc: Client Quit [19:26] Cann0n: thanks for making the icons ~/.fluxbox. Now I don't have to change it. :P [19:26] lol np! [19:27] That death valley sure is a nice bg [19:27] yeah. i forgot who showed it too me. i couldnt help but to keep it... [19:28] i love it so much... everyone that looks over my should are just awed by it [19:29] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [19:29] I can see why, it's very nice. [19:29] There, took the wine menu out and everything else still works. :P [19:30] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.104.238) joined ##slackware. [19:30] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.104.238) left irc: Client Quit [19:31] lol. it's simple the way its set up huh? [19:31] yes [19:31] makes it alot easier to change things this way. [19:32] are you running xfce-mcs-manager too? you need it! lol [19:32] yup, sure am. [19:32] I installed gxmessages too. [19:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:33] you like that exit.sh? [19:34] yes, very much. [19:37] Cann0n: You've just worked magic with that menu. :) [19:37] too bad foureyes is not in here, the dx/skip on 11 meters is just incredible [19:37] :) [19:38] 11 meters? bah [19:38] 11 is fine [19:39] get on 10 and talk to intelligent people [19:39] 11 = CB, last I checked [19:39] yeah [19:39] elderK (n=zk@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:39] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Hey people! [19:41] hey [19:41] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:42] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:47] i want windows vista! [19:47] its sooooooo cool [19:47] can slackware run vista? [19:48] bored [19:48] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [19:48] chowabunga: lol [19:49] hey [19:49] hey compl3x. get your flux fixed? [19:49] firebird619: kind of - not alt+f4 isn't working and im guessing its something to do with startup - and the xmodmap [19:50] lol i just deleted my thunar thumbnails and a new thumbnail of an empty trashbin showed up [19:50] compl3x: good luck getting it fixed. :) [19:50] EASTER EGG! [19:50] firebird619: thanks :p [19:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:53] bored [19:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:54] procrastinating [19:54] starbucks at 8pm [19:55] lol [19:55] its 1 am here [19:56] compl3x: howd it work out? [19:56] :) [19:57] Cann0n: lol made my own menu :p [19:57] kind of restored it to how it was XD [19:57] Cann0n: Well, I got the menu customized to mine now, removed what I don't have, etc. Looks great. [19:57] isnt there a graphical editor for fb menus yet [19:57] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) left ##slackware. [19:57] chowabunga: yeah, there are some gui's out there to use. [19:57] chowabunga: dont think so - must be one tho [19:58] chowabunga: gvim :p [19:58] i was jsut going to say that [19:58] http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Howto_fme [19:59] hmm wolfram|alpha is doign a webcast for it going live seems a bit odd [19:59] kitche> i searched it for ln(retard^3) [20:01] google is like the library of alexandria...except the library will end up burning down the internet [20:01] hah [20:02] its a doomsday archive [20:02] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) joined ##slackware. [20:02] for post apocalytic pharoahs only [20:03] google has been too uppity lately i wish a brand spanking new search engine that nobody ever heard before would grow up and and become a thorn in google's side for a while [20:03] majestic12.co.uk [20:03] if they could implement pagerank lol [20:03] Google is starting to get a lot of lawsuits against them finally [20:04] yeah finally [20:04] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:04] now investigate their insider trades [20:04] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [20:04] greetings everyone... [20:04] google thinks they are clever, but i know they fsck with my search results sometimes, and i do use good keywords to search with [20:04] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] of course they do [20:05] thats why wikipedia is always #1, you think that many people actually link to wikipedia for pagerank to do that? [20:05] why do we even need search engines? i've been getting cookied for so long now the internet should just know what porn i want [20:05] pwndog: lol [20:05] man this wolfram shiz looks interesting- could be quite fun to play with when it stops being so laggy [20:06] elderK (n=zk@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [20:06] nothing maple/mathematica cant do [20:06] my cookies fall in to a void, same with tracking gifs [20:06] compl3x: well it is jsut going live right now so hence the lag [20:06] kitche: yeah I gathered so [20:06] [= [20:07] holy moly, i've never heard of a tracking gif [20:07] I don't see the point of being able to generate captchas with it tho [20:07] its a 1x1 pix gif [20:08] google is dirty money [20:08] chowabunga: what isnt? [20:09] Hey The-Croupier. How are you? [20:09] The-Croupier> money that isnt used against the masses [20:09] i think google started out with good intensions, but the money got the best of them, now they are just about the money like any other corperate entity so even at best i would not show any favorites towards google [20:09] compl3x: from what they just said they aren't even running wolfram alpha right now on their main server it's more fo a test server [20:09] I just learned something [20:09] Lumisore (n=XSE@61.247.22.127) joined ##slackware. [20:09] pwndog> what did you learn [20:09] need help [20:09] firebird619: hiya [20:09] i just read about tracking gifs [20:10] Lumisore: so you need help well we can't help unless you state your question [20:10] even if google is all good, what about in 50 years? [20:10] some asshole will be ceo and will hold me to ransom for my own data [20:10] pwndog> they are re-writing doubleclick.net cookies too [20:11] so they can track you everywhere [20:11] :o [20:11] Cann0n: That gui menu editor probably would have come in handy when you were making that elaborate menu setup. :P [20:11] I install PHP, and got error message. This the error --> http://pastebin.com/d34eaa3fd [20:11] pwndog> http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/hal8.gif [20:12] Lumisore> install perl from the slackware mirror [20:12] why dont you have it already! [20:13] pwndog> http://www.google-watch.org/ [20:13] what about the people with the google desktop search hahah...man, some people are in deep [20:14] wow a car battery backup system they have [20:14] everyone does it that way [20:15] I heard before that when gmail first started the ads were from the senders email types [20:15] ie, i get a lot of porn emails then email my mother, she will get porno ads [20:15] hmm they are showing their backup system right now which seems very advance to a degree [20:15] they fixed that now though [20:15] webcast link? [20:16] kitche: who is...and where? [20:16] someday i will abandon the internet, remove all networking from my PCs and use them only for things capable of being used offline and spend more time fishing [20:17] chowabunga, I did and still get same error msg [20:17] http://www.justin.tv/clip/2dd6b9f07e7f8a4e [20:17] cheers [= [20:17] The-Croupier: Wolfram|alpha [20:17] Lumisore> why dont you just use the official slackware php packages? [20:18] never heard of this... :( [20:18] Action: The-Croupier is reading about it..in google :( [20:18] I want to know how to install it manually [20:20] man Network For Good is an awesome non-profit [20:20] Lumisore, line 10 of your pastebin "/replace/with/path/to/perl/interpreter" [20:20] you need to replace that path i think [20:22] Lumisore> which php version are you doing, ill try it here [20:22] php5.2.9 [20:23] pwndog: I did [20:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:25] sorry guys..how can one find out what is running on a specific port? and stop it? [20:26] Lumisore> ./configure worked fine here...compiling now.... [20:26] netstat -tunlap [20:26] but i didnt use your options, i just let it autodetect [20:26] wolfram need to equalise their audio [20:27] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:27] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [20:27] The-Croupier, ^^ then kill it, usually with an rc init script [20:27] chowabunga, same here without options. its error when I add apache2 apxs option [20:27] kitche: anything else interesting in that cast - cant be bothered to keep watching :p [20:27] firebird619: the menu gui editer sucks. i never liked it :) [20:28] Lumisore> what is apxs, and do you in fact have it installed [20:28] hmm..something is missing [20:28] Cann0n: I know there's a few out there. I personally just like editing the files. [20:28] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [20:28] me too... as you can see :) tee hee [20:28] in netstat -tunlap i get the ones running and connected.. with nmap outside ip i get port-unknown open ..i want to see what is that [20:28] or how to close that port [20:28] Cann0n: haha, yeah, and editing to the max too. [20:29] chowabunga, apxs is apache shared module [20:30] like as opposed to Zend? [20:30] chowabunga, I never use zend before [20:30] apxs is in /usr/sbin/ [20:31] compl3x: I stopped watching due to sound issues they have :) [20:31] kitche: same - was driving me crazy [20:31] ussually its in apache directory [20:31] The-Croupier: Can you just paste the output of nmap that you're referencing? Obfuscate the IPs if you need to. [20:32] Lumisore> you could just do --enable-apxs and let it auto detect the binary file [20:32] next time --with= is rarely needed unless you are doing some advanced stuff [20:33] ok [20:33] I'll try [20:34] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/daddy3.jpg [20:34] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-64.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:35] Micheelle (i=dl9wsca@41.236.13.123) joined ##slackware. [20:36] antiwire: 23/tcp open telnet [20:36] 80/tcp open http [20:36] 5431/tcp open unknown [20:36] i dont care about http so much..even if i would like that filtered but telnet..i never use.. and unknown?! what on earth..is there such a thing as unknown? [20:37] ... [20:37] it says unknown because the nmap version you are using just doesn't have 5431 defined [20:37] lsof -i:5431 [20:38] The-Croupier: you said that scan was done against an Internet live IP, not a LAN/private IP? [20:38] port 5431 PARK Agent [20:38] lsof nothing there [20:38] toastytoast: yeah read that...no idea..no more info about that though [20:38] The-Croupier: are you behind a router? [20:39] compl3x: yes [20:39] compl3x: have to [20:39] The-Croupier: and are you scanning the router or your local pc [20:39] The-Croupier: What device was scanned to produce that nmap output? [20:39] http://seclists.org/basics/2006/Mar/0272.html [20:39] ... [20:39] i did nmap ip-igot-from-whatismyip --so i guess the router [20:40] The-Croupier: got any other pcs running? [20:40] The-Croupier: Ok, check the router for any UPNP options [20:40] compl3x: nope, nothing else [20:41] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] If you're not using upnp inside the LAN at all then you can disable upnp in the router [20:41] i dont understand why telnet should be on as well [20:41] antiwire: how do i do that? [20:41] some routers have telnet running. [20:41] ok..let me check [20:41] The-Croupier: did you configure your router at all? [20:42] antiwire: the truth is that i did not..so much no.. i just got internet here ;) had some connection problems these days [20:43] just disabled upnp [20:43] your scanning your home/office network from some other place or from the same location? [20:43] You probably should go through every configuration page in the router's interface and at least look at what you've got to work with. [20:43] antiwire: on it atm [20:44] jonsmith1982: i am scanning my home network from my laptop.. (network consists of m y slackware laptop and brothers vista) [20:44] :( [20:44] just disabled upnp [20:44] and going for telnet as well if i get the bugger [20:45] you should be using lan ip addresses. [20:45] The-Croupier: I'm guess that you're doing a scan against your Internet live IP from within the same network that is behind the IP you are scanning? [20:45] That's not always all that accurate [20:46] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:46] i see... [20:46] pitbac23 (n=pitbac23@ip-213-49-236-147.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] jonsmith1982: lan-ip-address shows that nothing is open [20:46] Most router's will 'know' that the traffic is coming from within the subnet that it knows about and will then treat it as if it was local traffic, directing it at the LAN IP [20:46] antiwire: i see... [20:47] The-Croupier: the best way to test the WAN IP is to scan it from another internet live IP or use an online tool [20:47] antiwire: how can i see...what i sgoing on from outside? [20:47] antiwire: any suggestions? [20:47] go to a friend's house, use an online tool, get someone here to scan you...all possibly ways [20:47] another internet live ip i dont have.. online tools??? [20:48] theres an online nmap. [20:48] go to a website that says "free scan..." [20:48] can someone please do the honors [20:48] gtfo XD [20:48] can't you just do a `netstat --listening` if you want to see what ports are open? [20:48] shields up is semi decent http://probemyports.com/ [20:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:49] amazon10x: no. not if his router does not provide a shell...i am assuming it is a retail consumer router... [20:49] amazon10x : certainly, but that doesn't take firewalls into an account [20:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:49] oh, right [20:50] antiwire: unfortunately it is a retalers consumer router [20:51] The-Croupier: that's fine, just use an online tool to test your perimeter [20:52] antiwire: thank you ... i will of course.. thanks [20:52] freenode test for certain things, don't they? proxy, trojans... [20:52] jonsmith1982: yep [20:52] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:55] TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH, - NO unsolicited packets were received, - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received. [20:56] antiwire: that is my result from the online test ... ;) but im still worried about why telnet is open while i dont use it at all;) [20:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:56] maybe that is uncorrect as you said but...hmm.. in my rc.d/ i dissabled it [20:56] The-Croupier: Some of these consumer level routers have telnet running internally [20:57] it's not your system, this is the router you are talking about. [20:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] antiwire: i see.. [20:58] maybe i should buy one of those really nice linksys ones i saw..they even had cisco support and some cisco config stuff in them..maybe they will allow a terminal..or something [20:58] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:58] The-Croupier: what does 'nmap -sS router_internal_ip' produce? [20:59] antiwire: could you suggest some router ? that might be configurable? [20:59] antiwire: ill tell you in one sec [20:59] The-Croupier: honestly, it's all the same crap [20:59] whats the problem, cant disable services on your router? [20:59] The-Croupier: for home use, I just just a linksys wrt54gs running openwrt [20:59] pwndog: we're getting there... [21:01] right...nmap -sS 192.168.178.1 shows the same telnet,80.MAC Address: 00:1B:9E:26:3C:55 (Askey Computer ) [21:02] ok so telnet is just running internally as shields up lists 23 as closed/stealth [21:02] you should worry. [21:02] thats some serious business [21:02] Action: schneiderr chuckles [21:02] ... [21:03] proceed. [21:03] The-Croupier: So since the router is running telnet internally only you can either figure out if the admin interface lets you disable that or otherwise forget about it if the interface lacks that type of control. [21:03] antiwire: already tried the interface..cannot do it [21:03] i disabled the upnp one ;) but not the telnet one...:( [21:03] The-Croupier: most of these retail routers are running VX-works these days and that telnet daemon is just on and you are stuck living with it [21:04] The-Croupier: This isn't out of the normal, btw. [21:05] antiwire: i see... [21:05] so there is no need to worry i guess...not that i have something important anyway..but i like playing with stuff so i can learn how to disable them in case it is needed [21:06] ;) you know what i mean ;) [21:06] anyone find that creepy^? [21:06] The-Croupier: well dude, start playing with it, have you tried to telnet to it yet? [21:06] antiwire: thank you for all the information ;) [21:06] compl3x: find what creepy? [21:07] The winks -seemed out of context :p [21:07] that these retail routers run VXworks and have telnet running internally? [21:07] it's quite common [21:07] compl3x: ;) depends how you define creepy ;) [21:07] eviljames: ;) I dont know.. ;) these just change the context completley ;);) [21:08] antiwire: i already tried telneting to it [21:08] it lets me in so easily [21:08] and even add route and such things [21:08] The-Croupier: What are you able to play with in there? [21:08] awesome [21:08] antiwire: not really [21:08] lol [21:08] do you have any tools like ps or anything in there? [21:09] there is authentication in place, right? [21:09] hahaha just did ps [21:09] i can see lots of stuff running [21:09] does killall accept wildcards? [21:09] compl3x: lol ;) [21:09] The-Croupier: well keep in mind that these routers are not meant for corporate level deployment. If you need more control you'd seek out a high quality device [21:09] that would be awesome [21:10] The-Croupier: what about uname -a ? [21:10] winks are creepying me out now :p [21:10] what do you get? [21:10] uname -a might be the only one i cannot get in the router [21:10] lol [21:10] what about just uname? [21:10] ps even showed me the username of the connection [21:11] linux brought devfs back? [21:11] The-Croupier: Does the telnet service at least ask for the admin password? [21:12] antiwire: thank god yes [21:12] Micheelle (i=dl9wsca@41.236.13.123) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:12] antiwire: i just put the admin password ;) cos i know it ;) [21:12] but that is all ;) [21:13] The-Croupier: well if you have hostile users behind that router you might want to make that password very sturdy and never connect to it via telnet [21:13] eviljames: help ;) [21:14] antiwire: im changing the admin account to something random..and password something completely no connection with me ;) [21:14] so i guess it will be ok [21:15] yeah should be fine, just never use telnet to connect to it or someone could potentially sniff the password in cleartext [21:15] enable https for the admin interface if that is possible too [21:16] Der Baader Meinhof Komplex is a very very good movie [21:16] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-172-156.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] /dev/root 16G 16G 0 100% / [21:17] fun fun [21:17] failure [21:17] chowabunga: rm -rf /tmp/* [21:17] antiwire: playing with the management interface in admin [21:17] macavity> i actually use tmp...thats how i filled it up [21:17] now i gotta move files and i have no space lol [21:17] chowabunga: i have the above in my rc.local [21:18] how often do you reboot ;) [21:18] chowabunga: its a laptop [21:18] antiwire: i just found how to get telnet off the router as well ;) [21:18] i clean tmp manually [21:18] hope it worked [21:18] i usually just suspend my laptop instead of shutting it down [21:19] The-Croupier: cool deal [21:19] amazon10x: i track -current, so i need to make sure its the current version of whatever i have in memory [21:20] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [21:20] besides.. i starts fast enough without [21:20] alright, time to clean this mess of a room up [21:21] yes, but you have to login, startx, etc. :( [21:22] thrice`: i guess i am the patient type then :P [21:22] newbye32 (i=ba0026e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4f9f0830f72b873e) joined ##slackware. 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[21:32] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-239-210.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:32] cool now connection is not allowd in telnet ;) great thanks antiwire [21:32] The-Croupier: awesome [21:33] you're welcome [21:33] and lucky, some of these routers and even modems don't allow you to disable that [21:34] yeah... i gues.. there was only tick option enable/disable... i wish i could do more with my router [21:34] maybe some acls? [21:34] maybe some site-filtering [21:35] just to play around kind of thing [21:36] funny [21:36] Some allow that but you have to remember that Netgear/Dlink/linksys-cisco all have multiple lines of routers and for the extra functionality they want to force you to buy more expensive gear [21:36] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] i just telneted to your ip The-Croupier and i got a login screen [21:37] pwndog: considering that it wasn't even listening on the WAN...you're so full of it your eyes are brown [21:38] antiwire: thats why gns3 saves me so much money... [21:38] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:38] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:38] hah [21:38] busted [21:39] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Oops. Good evening/morning/day/night, everyone. [21:39] How goes the battle? [21:40] who told you there is a battle? 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[21:56] Urchlay: Did you see that I thanked you. Maybe I didn't exactly. But thanks for the suggestion to simply run a Slackware kernel. [21:56] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [21:56] Urchlay: I gave up on doing it the hard way. I chose to be lazy!! [21:58] Action: rworkman recalls an LQ thread... [21:58] or 2 [21:59] Keep laughing guys! LOL!! [21:59] :) [21:59] I just couldn't do it any other way. I couldn't build any modules. [21:59] nah [22:00] And the gcc wouldn't let me do it. [22:00] sounds like a complete pain to try to mix 32 and 64bit to be honest [22:00] If I could have built modules, I would not have gone back. But the modules were the breaking point. [22:01] dive: Did you get the email yet? [22:01] yeah jut read it [22:01] ok [22:01] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.11.211) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] but isn't kvm support already in the stock kernel? [22:02] Robby, it's ok! Enjoy yourself. I'm laughing about it too! [22:02] Maybe so. But you need the right binaries to accompany it. [22:03] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:03] I don't think they can be mixed. 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel, for KVM. [22:03] <|ast|> kvm suck! [22:04] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:04] <|ast|> emulation suck! [22:04] At some point, I need to build my own toolchain, to allow 64-bit builds. [22:05] depends on what you are emulating and why. [22:05] I want to emulate IBM Blue Gene [22:05] <|ast|> ibm suck! [22:05] <|ast|> xD [22:06] Shit yeah! Blue Gene would be a bitch! [22:06] and what would you use it for? [22:07] Polynomial expansions and the like... [22:07] Factorials, Fibonacci and any thing else I can think of. [22:08] number crunching like that [22:08] and tracking orchestral Goa trance [22:08] Any one have a suggestion for a good CLI based email client? [22:08] Essentially, High Order Mathematics. [22:08] <|ast|> kernel 64bit function in lib64... [22:08] lf4 : mutt, alpine [22:08] <|ast|> multilib... [22:08] I used to like pine, which is now alpine, but a friend of mine switched to mutt. I would prefer emacs. [22:09] (emacs rmail or gnus) [22:09] I was looking at alpine just did not know if there were others. I'll check out mutt. [22:10] wow did not know that pine is now alpine [22:10] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [22:11] been alpine for quite a while [22:11] meep! [22:11] a year maybe longer [22:13] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:13] anyone ever used bzip2recover? [22:14] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] Am I supposed to cat all the recXXXX.tar.bz2 files together or wtf? [22:15] I have over 640 rec files... 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[22:46] kojai (n=kojai@125.160.100.62) left irc: "Leaving" [22:46] jeev, jhbuild reqiures 1.9 not 1.10 from 12.2 [22:46] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-253-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [22:47] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.13.197) joined ##slackware. [22:47] oh, i said 0.10 there. for that i should look into first versions of slackware i guess :D [22:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:49] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:49] ahh [22:50] so it wont use a higher version? [22:50] you know what happens when you build a frankenstein monster!!! [22:51] you ran out of potatos? [22:52] dinner was a long time ago, i had shepards pie [22:53] chicken for me [22:53] pretty good [22:53] rally's hamburgers [22:54] the problem is that it's a part of autotools and i'm not sure that it's smart to replace just one part [22:54] that frankenstein monster comment is what i say to people who try to hack together parts from other versions in some crude form [22:55] still i'll go with dios_mio's advice and see if it doesn't get fsckd [22:55] john_dee, it is ok.. just downgrade it till you install what you want, then upgrade back [22:55] kkkyle (i=kkkyle@1Cust7346.an4.cle11.da.uu.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] and yes i'm building frankenstein. goes by the name gnome 8-0 [22:55] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] gnome!? ewww, just dualboot slack with debian if you just gotta use something from gnome, (just a suggestion) [22:56] Pig_Pen, not something. the whole thing [22:57] why do you [22:57] why do you HAVE to use gnome? [22:57] kkkyle, is that a rhetorical question? :) [22:57] ah, just let him poison his slackware if he gotta hack gnome in to it [22:58] lol [22:58] kkkyle, how about to not use fugly kde [22:59] i suppose you think gnome is pretty? [22:59] Pig_Pen, sounds like i'm about to go into some blasphemy here :D [22:59] Pig_Pen, imagine that ;) [23:00] i nicest looking desktops i ever seen were some customized fluxbox install [23:00] put debian/ubuntu in a chroot for easy gnome install [23:00] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:01] they took some time & effort to setup but they looked very nice [23:01] i got new glasses yay [23:01] i had gourmet sabzi (gourmet greens), delish. [23:01] i showed a pic of it last time [23:01] Hi nix_chix0r. How are you? [23:01] you guys need to watch the show Southland [23:02] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:02] good busy day things are slowing down [23:02] no I don't think I need to watch any TV shows [23:02] i went to lenscrafters today and they had a sale on 100bucks off your glasses so mine ended up being 135 total [23:03] actually got them in an hour to boot that never happens [23:03] nix_chix0r: nice. Last new pair of glasses I got were last July. [23:03] hey guys, do i need to install anything other than tar-1.22 to support the .txz uncompression? i am trying to update to -current but the packages keep giving errors on install (using slackpkg) [23:03] yeah it's been since 2004 for me [23:03] Pig_Pen, it's not about eyecandy. well, this too. but their plans on version 3 sound really promising [23:04] Shrp_: Did you upgrade slackpkg and tar first? [23:04] yeh i did [23:04] tar, pkgtools, slackpkg [23:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] using 2.71.2 for slackpkg [23:04] i really wish patrick didn't dump it from slack [23:04] Heya, folks .. How's everyone? [23:04] gnome-3??? [23:05] Hey MLanden, doing great, thanks. you? [23:05] Good thanks firebird619 [23:05] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.43.11) joined ##slackware. [23:05] also took a bath with the baby and they get pretty slippery after you slap on some lotion [23:05] he actually enjoyed the bath [23:05] and pkgtool is 12.34567890.. [23:06] i can see why pat dumped gnome-2 from slack, it is a nightmare to get built [23:06] Pig_Pen, yes. this taskbar, file-oriented stuff is getting old [23:07] Pig_Pen, so true. that's what i'm going to experience soon :) [23:07] again [23:07] i might try gnome-3 in an extra disk partition with some oddball distro that has it but i wont go hacking up slackware to get it to work (2 or 3) [23:08] Pig_Pen: prolly do the same..just out of curiosity [23:09] http://projects.gnome.org/garnome/ [23:09] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:11] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] chowabunga, it's still 2.24 [23:12] Is the size here, 627K? rdev -r vmlinuz 627 [23:13] Does it hurt to have a larger ramdisk size for initrd? [23:13] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:14] "día del orgullo friki" [23:14] may 25 [23:14] hey people, if xev doesn't pick up a media key on my keyboard, is there anything i can try to get it working? [23:14] I install PHP, and got error message. This the error --> http://pastebin.com/d643ead53 [23:16] sleepytime. laters [23:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:18] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-178-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] will pkgtools be updated for older slack versions? i can't install the latest firefox 3 from current on 12.0 because of the txz extension [23:21] txz?! what txz? I have only seen tgz on 12.2 [23:22] it is new:) [23:22] in current, firefox 3 is now txz, but thanks, i didn't think of checking 12.2 repo [23:24] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:24] fetched and upgraded :) [23:24] jumperboy: you're not supposed to mix version packages anyway [23:24] you can just repackage it yourself too [23:25] antiwire: it's okay, the update announcements say you can with firefox [23:26] jumperboy: it's not a Slackware compiled package in the first place [23:26] john_dee> so what version is gnome now [23:26] so if you want a tgz just make one [23:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] "The updated packages may also be used with Slackware 11.0 or newer." [23:27] it's just a binary [23:27] pwndog (n=pwndog@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Java user signed off" [23:27] No. pkgtools for older Slackware versions will not have the txz functionality backported. [23:27] wtf did i just say? [23:27] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-52-253-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] http://gnomeslackbuild.org/changelog/ [23:29] chowabunga, 2.26.1 i think [23:29] the UUCP heritage is realy such a big thing ..!! [23:30] chowabunga, aha. latest version is in testing now. [23:30] even in osx leopard there is an empty folder /var/spool/uucp/ [23:33] how to install .txz file? [23:34] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-178-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] is there still anyone using uucp? ..i think the guys who could had been using uucp are going for "slightly more experimental" stuff ..like Plan9 or PlanB [23:36] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:37] gar0t0 (n=Aimee@189.110.131.1) joined ##slackware. [23:38] what is uucp [23:38] unix to unix copy [23:38] man uucp ? [23:39] wiki.. got it! :) [23:39] pupit: next time, type "whatis uucp" on the command line :P [23:39] :p [23:39] hi all [23:39] exbio (n=exbios@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:39] dawn of the internet .. [23:39] evening firebird619 [23:40] Hey tecky, how's it going? [23:40] Hi gar0t0, how are you? [23:41] firebird619: not bad... got my new system : ) [23:41] Action: tecky does a happy dance [23:41] tecky: Core i7? [23:41] fuck no! [23:41] Q6600 : ) [23:42] oh, nice too that [23:42] macavity: p@Gospodzo-zgazish-me:~$ whatis porn: nothing appropriate [23:42] yah :) [23:42] gram (i=graham@mknod.org) joined ##slackware. [23:42] :p [23:42] macavity: only 350(s) for a full dell system :X [23:42] $350(s) [23:42] s? [23:42] $350 - $360? [23:43] i dont remember the exact amnt [23:43] ah [23:43] i wouldnt have bought an assembled system myself, but each to their own taste :P [23:44] its my first noncustom, but i couldn't bitch at the price, i tried building one with like parts for same or less [23:44] tecky: u dont like core i7? or its expensive? [23:44] pupit: not as good of value imho [23:44] as in, it is still too expencive compared to the benefits [23:44] hmz [23:44] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] well, they didnt come here in Serbia, but they are not cheap.. [23:46] anyone know what the term for transfers/declares you can stick on a wall are? [23:46] or a company that will print diffrent sizes [23:46] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:47] john_dee (n=id@93-81-143-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:47] might be a typo referring to decals not declares [23:48] ah declas.. [23:48] decals. [23:49] hey guys still having trouble with .txz.. do i need any other util for xz to go along with tar-1.22? [23:49] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-7-198.dsl.elltel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] xz i think its called [23:49] hang on.. [23:50] yes, xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1 on -current [23:50] ah cool [23:50] thx [23:50] dont know the version number on 12.2 [23:51] that should work on 12.2.. i hope [23:51] just pick the one in the patches/ dir on 12.2 [23:51] that is where you are looking for upgrades, right? [23:52] yeh but i wasn't looking for xz-4.99 since i didn't know thats what i needed :) [23:52] i updated slackpkg, tar-1.22 and pkgtools and figured that would do it [23:52] oh wait.. it hasnt been updated [23:53] it's in -current only [23:54] wait a seccond.. if this has only made it to -current, why do you need it on 12.2? [23:54] then the 12.2 packages should not be in the new format [23:54] Shrp_: you could get the source and compile it with help of the SlackBuild. [23:54] i am trying to update to -current [23:54] ah, ok [23:54] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.175) joined ##slackware. [23:54] macavity: convert the slackware-tree of an old -current from tgz -> txz ;) [23:55] /home/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a/xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1.tgz [23:55] There are a few packages that are *still* in tgz format. There's *probably* a reason for that. [23:55] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:55] BP{k}: oh my [23:56] BP{k}: hadn't noticed... that must have been an epic changelog entry ;-) [23:56] macavity: stop drinking ;-) [23:56] https://github.com/michielvw/tgz2txz/tree [23:56] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) joined ##slackware. [23:57] rworkman: any numbers on how much better the new format is speed and compression wise? [23:58] 4.2G slackware-12.2 [23:58] 3.6G slackware-current [23:58] compression-wise: it varies, but as an example, my OOo package went from 159MB to around 110MB [23:58] nice! [23:58] Compession is *slow*. Decompression is slower than gzip, but much faster than bzip2 [23:58] damn :P [23:59] Memory usage... decompressing something that was compressed with "xz -9" eats memory and won't end well on low-ram boxes. With "xz -6" (the default), it's fine. [23:59] Difference in comrpession rations with -6 and -9 isn't much. [23:59] when i am done with the libtool bug i might give the decompressor a whack [00:00] --- Sun May 17 2009