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[00:24] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Does anyone know what I need to do to resolve akonadi freaking out and constantly telling me something is wrong everytime I log into KDE? It flips out with dbus errors [00:29] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com expired. [00:29] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:30] ZMR (~Who@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:30] antiwire, my guess is, it is kres-migrator trying to load it [00:31] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:33] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: retards [00:34] kickback (~kickback@122.161.45.91) joined ##slackware. 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[01:02] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:02] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.227.199) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:02] kickback: it's safe....has the package been already created in /tmp ? [01:02] kickback: its a temp for slackbuilds [01:03] MLanden: yes, created and installed [01:03] so its safe to delete the bunch of folders in here, right? [01:04] .. haha no. [01:04] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [01:04] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:04] some of them are used while the system is running.. [01:05] pupit: no, i mean the /tmp/sbo folder, not /tmp [01:05] kickback: yes. you can delete the whole SBo [01:06] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:06] it wont damage the already installed slackbuilds, right? [01:06] i dont know why the script does not delete them after creating pkg in first place.. maybe if something goes wrong you have them unpacked there to play.. [01:07] kickback: no. [01:07] hmmm ok then. there's over a GB of shit in there [01:08] blasphemy! what did you say is there? [01:08] shit [01:08] c c c [01:08] shit that should have been cleaned by now [01:09] ahahahaha \m/ 666 [01:09] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:09] cybErpunk (davi@189.4.116.87) joined ##slackware. [01:09] cybErpunk (davi@189.4.116.87) left irc: Changing host [01:09] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [01:09] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] i'm now working to remove all proprietary software from my PC. including the BIOS [01:12] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.200.39) left irc: Quit: am0rphis [01:14] gatorfan42 (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) left ##slackware. [01:14] kickback: whats BIOS? [01:16] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html [01:19] oh damn. [01:19] you have a supported motherboard? [01:19] no laptop is known to work X( [01:20] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:20] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:21] so bios stays? [01:22] MLanden, remember the weather girl i shjowed you last time ? she's even more beautiful tonight [01:22] yeah i guess [01:22] kickback: the problem, what about the low-level software for your hd, cd, wifi card, all the firmware in your system? [01:22] kickback: you can't be rid of it all, regardless...and, tbh, rms is an ass hat [01:23] nyRednek: i will replace whatever i can [01:23] ok, maybe ass hat was a bit strong [01:23] kickback: that's all well and good, but there will remain proprietary code in many places [01:24] MLanden: http://cbs2.com/Link.ashx?R=http%3a%2f%2fcbs2.com%2fvideo%2f%3fid%3d141350%40kcbs.dayport.com and an updated one soon to be on http://cbs2.com/search?searchstring=evelyn taft&tabid=0 [01:24] yeah, thats unfortunate [01:24] kickback: that's a fact of life... [01:24] but that wont stop me from replacing whatever proprietary code i can [01:25] jeev: awesome....thanks, will look after I finish compiling the kernel [01:26] damn, flash required to view the hot weather girl :( [01:26] she looks better in the july 29 or whatever cast [01:26] she's fuckin hot though, that's for sure [01:26] kickback: gnash [01:26] nyRednek: nah.. [01:27] i hate flash anyway, even if its released as free sw [01:27] so no flash porn for me [01:27] jeev: other stations in LA trying to compete? [01:27] eh, kcal 9 has the hottest girls [01:28] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [01:28] WOW. a dumb bitch in south carolina had her two kids in a car seat.. the car "fell" in a river and she flagged down a cop and said "my car went out of control and fell into the river with my two kids in it" [01:28] she wasn't even fuckig wet [01:29] what a fucking stupid whore, i hope she rotts in hell (a.k.a. GOP controlled area's) [01:30] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-147-122.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:31] i blame her husband [01:31] more after there commercials. [01:31] damn twice in a lifetime...sounds like what happened in western South Carolina back in the '90s [01:32] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:33] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [01:34] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.100.21.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:34] i want to hammer in people's heads who rape and hurt kids [01:35] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.39.102) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [01:35] i'd rather they be buried up to their neck and heads ran over with a steamroller [01:35] and then surround them with ubuntu users [01:35] Susan Smith was the last big case. [01:36] of that nature [01:36] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-166-204.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:37] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [01:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [01:41] stinky: Susan Smith? 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[03:06] esteeven (~esteeven@82.46.26.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:08] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:10] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [03:11] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:13] oh I am going to hurt ntpd >.< [03:14] better carry a big hammer. ;-) [03:14] what does it WANT in order to actually go so far as the extreme action of, I don't know, syncing the local clock with a remote time source? [03:15] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [03:16] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:16] usually your first born? [03:17] BP{k}: first born + share in world to come? [03:18] mmm, aparently so :{ lol [03:18] EthanG: ntpd can be a bit finicky iirc. if the time is to far off it just gives up .. so you would need to sync first with ntpdate which is part of ntp but .. meh ;) [03:19] EthanG: any luck with openrdate? [03:19] too far off? it's barely over 5 minutes ;.; [03:19] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:19] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:20] EthanG: cmos battery good? [03:21] yeah, fine [03:21] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [03:22] "No manual entry for ntpdate"... oh there it is, in html. *sigh* [03:28] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:28] john_dee (~id@95-29-12-46.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:28] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Quit: Please release me from this hell..... 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It's just like Christmas music for Christmas shopping: twisted [03:47] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:47] true it's not in info, but at least with info you can search all pages! [03:47] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.105) joined ##slackware. [03:48] grep? [03:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.87.104) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:49] in multi-file html? it might work.. [03:49] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-71-126.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:49] ashe (~ashe@118.96.239.112) joined ##slackware. [03:50] maybe I'll install openbsd's ntpd. this is documentation: [03:50] http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd [03:50] http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd.conf [03:50] _Strykar (~wakka@122.170.43.224) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.33.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:54] archcezar (1000@agd123.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[04:13] morning,phrag [04:14] phrag: fact [04:15] _Strykar (~wakka@122.170.43.224) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:15] rsb (~rsb@gateway.irrsinn.de) joined ##slackware. [04:15] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [04:15] qneo (~knao@bband-dyn22.95-103-144.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] nvision (~nvision@g225048099.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:17] nvision (~nvision@g225048099.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Changing host [04:17] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hi phrag [04:20] you're just waking up? [04:24] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:24] popl: kinda, just got in to work =P [04:24] ah [04:24] i assume some are still up =) [04:24] sounds like time to go back to sleep [04:24] ;P [04:24] harsh =P [04:24] I mean for you :P [04:26] is system() defined anywhere besides cstdlib? 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[05:05] popl, i see, chm2pdf always cost too much time [05:05] iceheart: I've never used it myself. [05:05] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:05] iceheart: I heard kchmviewer is alright [05:06] popl, i do it, sad [05:06] yeah [05:06] qt :/ [05:06] popl, really? [05:06] iceheart: once or twice, yes. :) [05:06] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] popl, do you use it? [05:08] popl, en , i will try : [05:08] iceheart: I have no need to view chm files. [05:08] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:08] iceheart: good luck [05:10] popl, thank you, hope it work [05:14] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:18] edthix (~ed@175.137.191.49) joined ##slackware. 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[06:08] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:13] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:16] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [06:24] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) joined ##slackware. [06:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:28] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:29] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [06:30] vdv: why would you want to do that? [06:31] because i don't use bluetooth [06:31] oh, just remove the blueman package then [06:31] and running applet takes resources [06:31] i want to have a chance to start it if i ever need it [06:32] It's easy to install at a moment's notice [06:32] but don't want to start it automatically [06:32] Oh [06:32] remove execute permission from it's rc script [06:32] and it'll stop running at boot [06:32] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:32] its^ [06:33] blueman-applet man page is the smallest man page that i've ever seen :D [06:33] try removing it from /etc/xdg/autostart/ [06:33] or do like indubitableness suggested and bluetooth won't run at all [06:33] vdv: it's a silly python applet -- I'm not a fan [06:33] rc.bluetooth? [06:34] yes, the one that controls bluetooth stuff :P [06:34] that is already disabled [06:34] hrm [06:34] and it's still starting at boot? [06:34] try removing it from xdg/autostart [06:34] i just trying to remove applet from tray [06:34] applet's probably designed with the idea it can start blutooth on demand [06:35] yes, EthanG [06:35] ah [06:35] there's also /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.blueman.Mechanism.conf but I don't think that's got anything to do with actually starting the applet [06:36] removed from autostart [06:36] let me know if tha tworks vdv [06:36] I will file the results [06:36] but it's just desktop file, not sure that works [06:37] vdv: it should start it when you start X [06:37] have to restart x [06:37] popl: you mean shouldn't [06:37] vdv: if you remove it it won't [06:37] if it's present it should [06:41] bbl [06:41] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:44] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [06:45] demian2 (~demian@151.95.242.35) joined ##slackware. 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[07:30] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:30] I have to read a few lines of perl and of course, I don't know perl well: anyone know what '$_' corresponds to? [07:30] (it's inside a for-loop) [07:31] epapi (~epapi@outgoing1.jumpy.it) joined ##slackware. [07:31] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hi all. is there a command to identify what path currently apache uses to write logs? [07:31] it may be the result of the last expression [07:31] or to know where is the currently loaded httpd.conf? [07:32] currently loaded? you have more than one? [07:33] that's odd. what's the apache package called? [07:33] if you want to use a hammer, you can probably try lsof [07:33] rsb (~rsb@gateway.irrsinn.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:34] I have no /var/log/packages/apache* [07:34] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:35] it is called httpd [07:35] epapi, /etc/logrotate.d/http should have the path [07:35] ah ty [07:35] /var/log/httpd/*_log [07:36] er, no-one's talking about logs. It's just slack keeps its installed package records there [07:36] .. and me looking up what was intalled wsa probably pointless [07:37] gbowden (~gbowden@95.121.69.127) joined ##slackware. [07:37] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:37] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:38] EthanG: epapi's question was "where does apache writes it's logs to?" ;) [07:38] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:38] oops, I only read the 2nd question, sorry [07:39] i only read the first question [07:39] oobe's reply is correct: it writes logs to /var/log/httpd/*_log (depending on how many virtual hosts you have [07:39] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:39] httpd.conf is in /etc/httpd [07:41] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:41] gbowden (~gbowden@95.121.69.127) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] the default apache log path is /var/lib/apache/logs [07:42] http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/downloads/updates/vim/ has the 7.3.00 release for those interested, now with both x86_64 and i486 [07:42] hmm not on my system /var/lib/apache/logs [07:42] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [07:42] does not exist [07:42] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:42] where is your apache base directory [07:42] Skywise: /var/log/httpd [07:43] oh great so now slackware is screwing up file locations too? [07:43] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [07:43] i dont think so [07:43] yeah [07:43] nope [07:43] seems you might be confused [07:43] Skywise: screwing up file locations? /var/log is quite normal imho [07:43] the apache tree has the bin,htdocs,logs all under the same place [07:43] I remember now, apache likes to call itself (and be installed as) THE httpd, lol [07:43] not for apache [07:43] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-135-49.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:44] yes, it should be in /var/lib/apache/bin/httpd [07:44] augh!!! [07:44] and you should use apachectl to launch it [07:44] NOT a unix file setup :) [07:44] Skywise: yuk [07:45] haha [07:45] thats funny [07:45] I'm not sayin apache's way is wrong, but it's very much the opposite of how everything in unix is expected to be, and frankly there are reasons unix is the way it is [07:45] thats the default apache layout and has been since the start [07:45] Skywise: the slackware FHS has been the same for a long time [07:45] distros dont use that layout i havent seen any packages that do [07:46] which httpd [07:46] /usr/sbin/httpd [07:46] /etc/httpd or /etc/apache [07:46] http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout [07:46] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:46] I believe you [07:47] I doesnt meant distros dont have the right to be sensable [07:47] Skywise: hardore unix setup: you mount partitions with binaries read-only for extra protection against hacking, meanin you DO NOT put variable stuff under /usr or binaries under /var. /etc should be specific to machine where other dirs may be network-wide. you see the problem? :)) [07:47] Skywise: so the layout you mentioned above isn't the default config from apache [07:48] especially for a heavily-used webserver does the unix setup make more sense than what you're describing [07:48] they're only showing the latest versions [07:48] but if you look at the default layout everything is under apache [07:48] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:49] just edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [07:49] right ty [07:50] i personally don't like my files all over the place, i like being able to back up and restore apache to a single place [07:50] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:51] and i have mysql setup the same way, which used to be the way things were done [07:51] there is that [07:51] if i wanna put logs in /var/log then i just log to syslogd [07:51] OTOH this way you could still use a short script with all the locations to back up [07:53] when i replicate an install, i can do it with rsyncing /var/lib/apache [07:53] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:53] hum. rc.inet1.conf doesn't give any clue how to install interfaces which aren't ethN or wlanN [07:54] Action: EthanG just uses ifconfig for now [07:55] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] look at the bottom of the file where they have: #IFNAME[4]="wlan0" # Use a different interface name nstead of the default 'eth4' [07:56] ahh cheers [07:57] szonek (~soakda@wieszjakjest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) joined ##slackware. [08:00] i have an external monitor connected via KVM switch, and it's not detecting the real resolution [08:00] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [08:01] is there a way to tell xrandr to use 1680x1050 instead of the 1024x768 [08:01] ? [08:02] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:02] zux1wrk, if you just run 'xrandr' , does it show that as a possible option? [08:02] you need to start x with the console already selected [08:02] no [08:02] otherwise the kvm will just respond generically [08:02] i did start X with it connected now, i rebooted [08:03] 1024x768 is the max it shows? [08:03] yes [08:03] maybe it needs to boot with it [08:03] could it be that the kvm switch doesn't work on bigger resolutions? [08:03] Skywise, i did reboot [08:03] yes [08:03] it is possible [08:03] the computer [08:03] well then damn [08:04] you can try to hack a new mode; 'xrandr --newmode "blah blah" [08:04] see what happens if you connect the monitor directly [08:05] but, it's likely the switch might not support bigger :> [08:05] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:05] would be an ancient switch then [08:05] or cheap [08:07] Skywise, directly, it works as it should [08:07] its the kvm then [08:07] bummer [08:07] jd- (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] it's a D-Link [08:07] not very old [08:07] i want a program called ballslack [08:07] with usb instead of ps/2 [08:08] i'll name my computer ballslack instead [08:08] maybe theres a way to update it, but see if you can find the specs for it [08:09] jd- (~jds@cpe-76-177-195-56.natcky.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:10] it says that it can support 2048x1536 at 75 [08:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:12] and i just added a custom mode to windows xp with it, it now works on that resolution, but the screen is still :fuzzy" [08:12] but i can't create a new mode with xrandr, what's the correct syntax? [08:13] i tried xrandr --newmode 1680x1050 [08:14] whats the native resolution of your monitor? [08:15] 1680x1050 [08:16] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@89.123.161.52) joined ##slackware. [08:16] I hate it when display systems try & et clever about resolutions [08:16] *get [08:18] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210157073.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210157073.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [08:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:23] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:26] zux1wrk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution is pretty good [08:29] hmmm haiku OS looks interesting [08:30] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:30] I've actually not heard a bad word about haiku [08:32] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:36] epapi (~epapi@outgoing1.jumpy.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:36] its not ready yet... [08:38] oh :/ [08:39] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:40] its in alpha 2 [08:40] ok, i'm going to download it now [08:41] thrice`, well i managed to get the resolution, but the screen is still fuzzy [08:41] hard to see smaller fonts [08:41] looks really bad [08:45] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:46] Action: oxiredo_ro plictisit [08:49] kickback (~kickback@122.163.143.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:54] larry65 (~larry65@d122-105-194-245.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:55] mac- (~mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:04] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:09] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:11] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:11] sheller (~sheller@122.6.69.205) joined ##slackware. [09:12] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:12] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-84.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:12] i'm getting this error to the startup ad infinitum Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory [09:12] how do i handle this? [09:16] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.34.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:19] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) joined ##slackware. [09:19] qneo (knao@bband-dyn22.95-103-144.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. 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[09:31] but in the wpa_supplicant.conf i saw that points to /var/run/wpa_supplicant and this file doesn't really exist [09:31] no [09:33] merciful_mobi (~Eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:35] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:37] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:38] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Howdy [09:41] hi [09:41] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] andref (~andref@luna.ksiezyc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Q: Is there a chat log from this room? [09:42] Hi m3tti [09:42] andref (andref@luna.ksiezyc.pl) left ##slackware ("EKG2 bejbi! http://ekg2.org/"). [09:43] don't know but i think so [09:45] :( I posted a slackadelic pastebin URL on Friday and I would like to find it.... [09:45] Action: arfon didn't save teh script and Windoz updated over the weekend... [09:45] arfon: read the topic.. [09:46] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [09:46] The one that says" Raela is great"? [09:47] something like that [09:47] Damn raela! TY! [09:48] Elfo (no_w@83.240.167.193) left ##slackware. [09:51] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:53] amarok last.fm plugin doesn't work for me... [09:54] can anybody else confirm? [09:54] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:54] seems that authentication doesn't fail, but songs are don't transmit also [09:55] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[10:08] The other two serial ports seem to be those that only accept binary commands, and lord knows what those are. [10:08] Redb3ard: Fricken Novatel! [10:09] Oh well, it was a luxury. Which one did you decide to go with? [10:09] Well, I may yet figure it out, but it's nothing simple. I need that functionality myself, so I'll keep trying. [10:09] For CDMA? Haven't decided on those, though novatels work the best. [10:09] phrag, this is the error i'm getting restarting the demon http://pastie.org/1097708 [10:09] For GSM, we're probably gonna go with the Zoom. [10:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Who's service are you using? [10:10] Neuromancer_: the clue is in the rror [10:10] Line 22: Invalid PSK 'EDITED'. [10:10] Line 24: WPA-PSK accepted for key management, but no PSK configured. [10:11] configure your PSK [10:11] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] i first thought it was a syntax error in the .conf [10:12] Redb3ard: who's service are you using? [10:12] That depends too. Our current stuff is using Verizon towers, through a data reseller called Wyless. [10:13] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Though, we've started tinkering with Sprint connectivity too. [10:13] Virgin uses Sprint's network.... Sometimes here in Austin, it gets SLOWWWWW [10:14] but, I can get a connection inside a concrete building with the modem in a metal locker.. [10:14] Oh, you're in Austin? I'm in Lubbock. [10:15] I got a few of the Virgin MC760s, from Walmart no less. [10:15] YAY Texas! [10:15] How much were they? I paid $80 at BestBuy for the MC760 [10:15] http://yapgh.blogspot.com/ That's the application that made use of the Virgin aircards, he has a screenshot up. [10:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] I think they were about $78 at Walmart. [10:17] You were able to query the Zoom? [10:17] Yeh. [10:17] I'm even able to do that while it's connected. [10:17] Which port is the command? [10:17] Novatel's though, it's one or the other. [10:17] ttyUSB2? [10:18] USB2 for the zoom is the ppp port, and USB1 is the port to send commands over. [10:18] I swear I read some blog where a guy could query the novatel modem while it was on... [10:18] Wherese, USB0 for the MC760 is the only one that will accept AT commands. [10:18] I said to myself "that's cool, I just wish mine connected" :) [10:18] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722145641] [10:20] Redb3ard: did you use pppd, wvdialer or kppp to connect ? [10:21] I think I have wvdialer installed, but ended up not using it. [10:21] I can check on that for you. [10:21] Did I ever tell you I figured out where to run commands from after the interface comes up? [10:22] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:22] If you have an /etc/ppp/ip-ip script and it's marked executable... it'll run. So if you need to delete the default route there, and create a new one. [10:22] I got pppd to work but, didn't know it because of the resolv.conf quirk... so I installed wvdial and have been using it since. I'd REALLY like to go back to pppd but, I'm scared of touching a working setup. [10:22] Even gets passed in the interface name and so forth. [10:23] I'd like to know how to run commands.... [10:23] I had the problem that the interface would drop, come back up... but the default route would be gone in there. Or that after a reboot, the ethernet would get the default route, and ppp couldn't override it. [10:23] arfon: press enter :p [10:23] esteeven (~esteeven@82.46.26.138) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:23] I created a script that starts wvdial and re-writes resolv.conf to fix the dns thing [10:24] command [10:24] Didn't do anything pupit :P [10:24] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:25] That's probably the sort of stuff that should run from /etc/ppp/ip-up. [10:25] Redb3ard: Oh Duh... [10:25] I forgot about that file. [10:26] I was messing with it when I played with pppd [10:28] My problem Redb3ard is that when I leave here, I don't have enough time to get everything done.... For the last few nights, Drupal/phpmailer and Samba have been driving me nuts. [10:28] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] So, I haven't been able to play with pppd. :( [10:29] No hurry. Sounds like you have it running well enough. [10:29] It works here and that's all I REALLY need... [10:30] I gotta say, this setup has worked out well for me, I haven't ever exceeded the 200Mb transfer limit on this account. CLI is very nice for that. [10:30] So, this connection is only costing me $20 /month [10:30] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [10:30] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@89.123.161.52) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:31] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [10:31] thanks phrag i had just to put the PSK key between "" [10:32] Neuromancer_: =) [10:32] now everything goes fine [10:32] awesome [10:32] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Anyone know how to force alpine to leave mail on a POP server? [10:36] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:37] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:37] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:42] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:43] arfon: i can help you with mutt but not with alpine :-( [10:44] I'm seriously thinking of switching to mutt.... [10:44] I'm just use to pine. [10:44] change scares me [10:45] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:45] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:46] does anyone know much about the new CFQ IO scheduler feature in 2.6.33? [10:47] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@89.123.161.52) joined ##slackware. [10:47] m3tti: do you know how to configure mutt to get POP mail and Leave Mail On Server? [10:47] i've to take a look but i could help you with that [10:47] because i use mutt in my emacs life :-) [10:48] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Well, I joined the pine mailing list, I was going to ask there... If I get no resolution, I'm going to switch to mutt. I'm going to keep you in mind. :) [10:48] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] set pop_user = "username" set pop_delete = no set pop_pass = "password" set pop_host = "pop.myserver.com" [10:50] [10:50] thats the setup for pop [10:50] and [10:50] The pop_delete directive is a quadoption; you can set this to yes, no, ask-yes, or ask-no. Setting the parameter to yes or no will tell Mutt to delete or leave mail on the POP [10:51] thats it [10:51] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:51] if you want to deliver mails you need to configure msmtp [10:52] its a small tool you could use with mutt but i think mutt 1.5 or so is also able to deliver mails on his own via smtp [10:52] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:53] What about multiple accounts? [10:54] use multiple .muttrc'S [10:54] and make aliases for them [10:54] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Do I have to run multiple mutt sessions? [10:55] e.g alias firstone="mutt -F ~.firstmutt" [10:55] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] hrm i don't know i do that [10:55] haven't seen how i could do everything with one session [10:55] OMG, it's STINKIN text, why is this so hard???? [10:55] `oi (kerbau@edge.edish-network.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] maybe it could work with getmail [10:56] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Yeah, I might go back to getmail+alpine [10:57] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] i use emacs text only mode [10:57] and mutt works XD [10:58] have written that muttrc once and linked one muttrc to a default setup that switched color and everything what has nothing to do with the account data [10:59] D-Chymera1 (~chymera@mnhm-5f75ec7f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hi guys, I need some kind of web app with which I and others can edit texts over the internet and which keeps all versions of the texts and also allows forking (ie. somebody modifies a text and continues from there, but somebody else continues from before that modification) could you help me out? I believe this would be someting like the apps used to manage code by foss projects [11:00] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [11:01] You mean like a wiki? [11:01] if ( $answer =="yes" ) ; then echo dokuwiki [11:02] does forking work on a wiki? [11:02] like can I keep track of the forks starting with the newest version of one file arfon [11:02] ? [11:02] Forking? [11:03] it's not part of the expected feature set, although revision history is a common feature [11:03] stop forking children! [11:03] D-Chymera1: use git [11:03] rollback, forking, work with others [11:04] There may be a web app that deals directly with project management (SVN?), I don't know, I don't develop. But, I don't see why you can't use a plain old wiki [11:04] There ya go git! [11:04] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:05] if something doesn't taste good. We in germany say: "I git" XD [11:05] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) left irc: Quit: Odcházím [11:05] ok without that whitespace [11:06] dikenliu (~edijliu@58.34.176.35) joined ##slackware. [11:06] and with a double t [11:06] it's revocalized from o gott [11:07] aah thanks D-Chymera1 never realized that [11:07] ever wondered why its such a strange word [11:07] In the south we say "git" to tell someone to leave. [11:07] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:07] dikenliu (edijliu@58.34.176.35) left ##slackware. [11:07] My grandmother told me to git often [11:07] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:07] ##slackware: mode change '-q KaMii!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:07] track002.mtc [11:07] whoops =P [11:07] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:08] HA HA HA! Now we know phrag's password! [11:08] he changed it [11:08] to track003.mtc XD [11:08] heh.. or one of our tracking boxes? =P [11:08] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [11:08] good luck resolving that =P [11:09] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [11:09] m3tti: how else am i meant to keep track of my passwords? =P [11:09] nslookup: track003.mtc resolves to megapr0n.com [11:09] anybody knows how to find files,which are not on slackware packages? [11:09] v4nelle: what!? [11:10] I write my passwords on yellow stickies and put them on my monitor so I can awlays find them. [11:10] Credit card numbers too, you never know when you want to buy something. [11:11] phrag, i want to know if there is a script which find files that are not on slackware packages....sorry for my english :p [11:11] I have a file on my server so I can access them from everywhere :) [11:11] v4nelle: erm, sorry i dont know what you mean [11:11] gtg [11:11] like fles which i have copy to my system [11:11] files* [11:11] find? locate? which? [11:12] is getting a 1GB NVIDIA GT 240 Graphics card for my linux box a waste? Or will I beable to see and use the power it has for games under wine (and of course wacthing videos and movies)? [11:13] would help for games under wine [11:13] surrounder: how much? right now I have a NVIDIA 7 series, would it be about the same or better? if the same, I will not waste the money [11:13] KaMii: i run a GTX260 [11:14] does it use the full speed of the card, I read in some forums that some cards are not being used 100% in *nix systems [11:14] <`oi> eh what is the best distro on the earth and.. on the moon? [11:14] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:14] KaMii: no idea, don't know much about graphical cards, I only own onboard intels [11:15] `oi: Ubuntu [11:15] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:15] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [11:15] KaMii: it does when it needs to [11:15] KaMii: if you don't mind me asking, how much does it cost? [11:16] as in, it spins up to full speed, with full cooling when working hard [11:16] ftw ? I was looking in google about "Jhon Doe" , after system crash and fsck I have a line "Jhon Doe" in some old source files .... [11:16] 1.149 SEK [11:16] not sure what that is in USD right now [11:16] John Doe? [11:16] maybe around $150 [11:16] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:16] dammit,i have work to do.. [11:16] That's more than I like to pay for graphics cards but, I'm a cheapskate [11:17] ashe (~ashe@118.96.239.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:17] but think of how much better your sims 3 clone will look with all that nice graphics arfon [11:17] KaMii: also nice to acknowledge the staffer who let you back in the channel.. see you go on about manners and people being polite... your manners are poor [11:17] phrag: I said thank you in the pvt chat [11:18] thank you phrag for giving me my voice back [11:18] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Client Quit [11:18] ah, i missed that [11:18] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:19] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ashe (~ashe@125.163.39.170) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] I get more depressed with -current every cycle. there have been about 4 real updates since 13.1 was released 3 months ago [11:39] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@89.123.161.52) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] thrice`: too much? [11:39] not enough :> [11:39] hmm, about right for -current after a release, no? [11:40] oh, you want things you can see to come in faster than bugs can be fixed *ducks* [11:40] thrice`: try archlinux if you want lots of updates ;) [11:40] it used to be that after a release current would continue along nicely. now it's quite dead for months [11:40] well that's a shame [11:41] maybe everyone is on holiday, it is summer [11:41] thrice`: patrick is taking the summer easy ;) [11:41] Action: phrag goes to croatia in 2 weeks! =0 [11:41] A sysadmin I know has been complaining about arch. he says his workload has increased a lot since people in his office took a liking to arch. most of his work is because of broken AUR packages [11:41] perhaps :> [11:41] Action: m3tti is at fuerteventura on saturday :-) [11:42] is that a german futurama festival!? [11:42] no its an canarian island :-) [11:42] EthanG: yea, AUR has a disclaimer that states some packages are broken,etc [11:42] shame =P [11:43] i've looked at their aur repo for some slackbuild hints, and there is definitely trash in there [11:43] ahuh [11:43] thrice`: what exactly would you like to have updated in -current? [11:44] i imagine 4.5.0 will make it into -current soon... although i did notice some stablity issues... might have been my configuration [11:45] macavity, toolchain, GTK stack, maybe x.org (though 1.8 isn't too exciting), and kernel for me [11:45] will play with it properly tonight.. this was on 13.1 mind, so there would have been thingas off [11:45] kernel perhaps ++ [11:45] thrice`: isnt gcc in an x.x.0 release atm? [11:45] i don't think the pace of -current has changed much [11:45] i like 13.1 :-( [11:46] and xorg currently seem to have stability issues with Intel :-/ [11:46] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] macavity, nooo, 4.5.1 [11:46] huh? 2.12.x is the best release they've had [11:46] thrice`: ok.. then gcc is a candidate for updates soonish :P [11:46] m3tti me too :) [11:46] x-server 1.8 was quite boring, but I think 1.9 is AlmostDone [11:47] soonish XD great word [11:47] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:48] has anyone had problems getting mulit-core processors to all work under 13.1 64? I'm planning to get an AMD Phenom II X6, and I want to be sure that all 6 cores will work [11:48] KaMii: no problems over here [11:48] you have that processor? [11:48] no but dualcore XD [11:49] KaMii, why do you suggest there would be any problem? :) [11:49] oh ok, I was going to ask which mobo you were using also. but guess that wont help [11:49] bgeddy_ (bgeddy@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [11:49] look at the kernel config there should be something like amount of cpu's or something [11:49] thrice`: im not suggesting there would be, sorry if it sounded that way, I just want to make sure things work before I buy [11:49] oh, ok :> [11:50] bgeddy_ (bgeddy@devio.us) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] thrice`: oh, didnt observe that 2.12 was out.. my bad [11:50] Im going for a super major upgrade, and want to make sure all the hardware I get will work without too much troubles [11:50] havent had time to read ml's for a long time [11:50] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.34.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [11:51] http://allegro.pl/explicit_content_warning.php?go_to=Showcat%2FIndex.php%3Fid%3D63757 could someone try if your firefox follows the right button ... [11:51] seems i have some jhavascirpt troubles here on that build [11:52] natural_mind (~vbatts@hashbangbash.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:52] KaMii: the max number of CPUs doesnt affect the number of cores iirc [11:53] yozzer (bgeddy@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [11:53] KaMii: that is, you can set mulitcore support to yes, and max number of cpus to 1 and it will work as expected [11:53] *iirc* [11:53] better look over menuconfig to be sure.. i havent had enough coffee yet [11:54] oh ok, ya I thought it would be that simple but just wanted to ask first [11:54] sometimes people just run into weird issues with bios settings on mobos, but the mobo im choosing does support that cpu so it should not be a problem [11:55] KaMii: people run slackware on much bigger iron than Phenom II X6 ;-) [11:55] are they doing physics or something? [11:55] KaMii: usually it is a matter of a bios update on the others.. that *can* be a bitch if you dont either have an external flasher or a spare cpu that is supported [11:55] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:56] KaMii: no, big webservers tend to have many CPUs and many cores [11:56] KaMii: eg a quad quadcore xeron makes a nice webserver for heavy load [11:57] but thats only 4 cores, the one im buying has 6 cores [11:57] no, that is 16 cores [11:57] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:57] quad quadcore = 4 x 4 = 16 [11:57] oh, quad quadcore, hehe [11:58] then if they have SMT enabled you get a logical count of 32 cores [11:58] and how much power does that suck? [11:58] with disks and everything, probably in the 2KW range :P [11:59] itd depends on how things are laid out: most n-core CPUs fit in a 125W TDP [11:59] chomping (chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) left ##slackware. [11:59] so for 4*4 Xeons, I'd say under 400W TDP (they're 95W at most iirc) [11:59] amd's 6-cores are 125W TDP [11:59] all that just for a webserver? I didnt know they needed so much, but i guess ya, google would need a LOT [12:00] KaMii: google use a cluster scenario... but imagine what big webhosts get hit with.. or twitter/facebook etc [12:00] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [12:00] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [12:01] the last VPS provider I used had 16-core machines [12:01] it would make a nice database backend for a frontline of webservers [12:01] btw, i am pissed at AMD for not making Phenom II SMP capable :P [12:02] id love to have a dual CPU motherboard for those [12:02] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-109-171.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:02] but still.. i am waiting for them to lash back with the Bulldozer architecture [12:02] have to accept that kde4 is not 100% usable with my hardware :( [12:03] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:03] things are too slow [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] vdv: what do you have there? [12:03] yozzer (bgeddy@devio.us) left irc: Quit: BitchX: faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive [12:03] typed now startxfce and wonder how everything is fast :) [12:04] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-246-3-39.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] obviously.. the xfce package is some 12MB... kdegames alone is 58 :P [12:04] kde is slow again eh? 3.3 was pretty quick, but 3.0; good grief! [12:04] and xfce not so unusable [12:04] EthanG: 4.5.0 appears faster then 3.x [12:04] all kde apps are here [12:05] ah! [12:05] the only thing that nerves is that knotify crashes [12:05] why knotify starts automatically in xfce? [12:06] vdv knotify crashes for me too under xfce4, on multiple systems, i just removed all kde, never used any of the apps [12:06] vdv you can turn off the kde and gnome integration in settings [12:06] dunno.. havent used xfce for a long time, and i dont know anything about its startup procedure works [12:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:06] ah, KaMii++ [12:06] is startup procedure adapted for slackware? [12:07] and i have no idea why knotify always crashes, I never looked into it, but I imagine its a bug somewhere [12:07] KaMii, in kde it doesn't crash [12:08] vdv you can try to turn off all the eye-candy stuff in kde and see if that speeds it up, it should, that stuff can really slow you down depending on how much you turned on [12:08] KaMii, i tried everything, it becomes really faster but still there's a feeling that it lags [12:09] some apps have memory leaks [12:09] how many widgets did you have on the desktop? [12:09] 0 [12:09] did you apply any themes? [12:09] i also switched to desktop view [12:09] anyone know why /etc/resolv.conf is not resolve? [12:09] must be some history behind it [12:09] KaMii, no default theme, oxygene? [12:10] whats your hardware? [12:10] phrag: probably same as why creat() is not create() [12:10] resolv.conf saves electricity... don't have to draw the 'e' or the 'igure' [12:10] [looks around] [12:11] Nick change: maco2 -> maco [12:11] hehe, apparently it was old unix file systems that couldnt support more than 6 chars [12:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:11] YAY FORETHOUGHT! [12:12] that must have been super old, didnt fat 16 support more than 6 chars? [12:12] core memory is damned expensive [12:12] KaMii, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 @ 2.00GHz, 2Gb RAM [12:13] Costs A LOT of money to hire those tiny gnomes to thread those little magnetic beads... [12:13] vdv your system is better than mine and mine had no lag in kde 4+ [12:13] what graphics card are you using? [12:13] Nick change: em -> emma [12:13] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:13] or are you using onboard graphics? [12:13] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [12:14] KaMii, Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller [12:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-68-122.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:14] ok its integrated [12:14] im not sure but that could be your problem [12:14] KaMii: yeah, maybe [12:15] KaMii, or maybe we have different grade of tolerance [12:15] is that a laptop you are on? [12:15] KaMii, to the system performance [12:15] KaMii, yes, HP Compaq [12:15] my kde was idleing at less than 5% [12:15] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-32.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:15] m3tti (~user@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:15] and I never experienced lag [12:16] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:16] maybe someone else knows more about how the integrated graphics shares your cpu and if that is the cause of your lag [12:17] KaMii, but it can't be as fast as now, when i'm in xfce with the same set of apps [12:17] for me [12:17] pity :( [12:17] vdv i just thought of something, was this the first time you ran kde? [12:17] Action: phrag smiles at KaMii [12:18] nekupuk server was probably running and mapping things out [12:18] what's your memory useage vdv ? [12:18] that causes a TON of lag, until it finishes [12:18] yeh, kde 4.4 is slow on first boot, due to the file database nepomuk creates [12:18] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-95-26.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:18] ^^ yes!! [12:18] you can turn this off [12:18] if you don't want file indexing [12:20] arfon, total: 2059704, used: 1986260, free: 73444 [12:20] vdv: how much swap do you have? [12:20] KaMii, no, i've used kde3 before [12:20] You hitting the swap any? [12:20] Swap: 2096444 464 2095980 [12:20] kde3 doesn't use nepomuk [12:20] vdv im not sure if nepomuk was around in kde3 [12:21] what is nepomuk? [12:21] is it strigi related? [12:21] I did notice on my comptuer that nepomuk did cause lag when it wanted to index files, and it did that more than I wanted so eventually i just turned it off for good [12:21] or akonaqi? [12:22] vdv yes i believe strigi is related to it, when I turned mine off strigi was gone also [12:22] i don't remember that i switched nepomuk off directly, but strigi surely [12:23] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829] [12:23] i would suggest either turning it off to see if that improves performance, or wait and let it finish indexing then see if your performace is improved [12:23] does xfce directly use knotify?? [12:24] vdv it will if you applied kde integration [12:24] why knotify runs when starting xfce? [12:24] KaMii, how it's done usually? [12:25] if you do not want it running, turn off kde integration, also go though the autostart settings and de-select anything you dont want running on startup [12:25] in xfce settings? [12:25] applications --> settings --> XFCE 4 settings manager [12:26] it's open now [12:26] and then? [12:27] Settings and Startup --> Advanced [12:27] is unchecked [12:27] both for gnome and kde [12:28] then i think it's amarok fault [12:28] click on application Autostart tab [12:28] i set in amarok to show osd with knotify [12:28] deselect any kde apps [12:28] seems there's no kde apps [12:28] or there could be something in your .xinitrc file thats autostarting kde apps [12:28] OS X never needed that kind of lag for Spotlight.... [12:29] (not that I ever made any productive use of Spotlight...) [12:29] there were no kde app that was started automatically except knotify [12:29] ok, remove it then restart xfce and see if that did the trick [12:30] with a 'pkill nepomuck' in there :> [12:30] robbax (53ff637b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.255.99.123) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:31] i still have not understood why file indexing is needed, maybe one day I will become aware of what its good for [12:32] KaMii, why if type konsole in Alt+F2 it's opened not "bash sourced"? [12:34] vdv: sorry i did not understand your question [12:34] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] i open konsole, typing 'konsole' in Alt+F2 window, and it opens without any environment variables and bash settings in /etc/profile sourced [12:35] not a login shell [12:36] TTY2 im assuming? [12:36] need to set konsole to launch shells as login shells if you want sanity [12:36] or loin with startx [12:36] login [12:37] EthanG, in konsole settings? [12:37] i.e. konsole profile settings [12:37] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:38] yeah [12:39] or you could set your vars in bashrc instead [12:39] !/.bashrc [12:39] bah [12:39] vdv: are you wanting to configure your konsole? I use terminal and to configure that you need to make a ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc file [12:39] ~/.bashrc [12:39] robbax (53ff637b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.255.99.123) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:40] KaMii: he says "environment and bash settings". [12:40] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [12:40] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:40] the terminal has nothing to do with that [12:40] i mean Konsole kde app [12:40] not ttys [12:40] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:41] adaptr, but i have all settings in /etc/profile [12:41] globally setted [12:41] vdv: your konsole settings should be the same in xfce as they were in kde [12:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:41] they are same [12:41] but i really cant help you, as I do not use konsole, I use terminal [12:41] I do not have one KDE app installed on my computer [12:42] vdv: nothing sources /etc/profile when you log in using an X DM. it's only loaded by login shells. [12:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [12:42] vdv: /etc/profile beahves quite differently depending on whether you're using a login shell or an xterm [12:42] KaMii: nonsense. bash is bash. [12:42] so i just change the type from xterm to.. [12:42] im just struggling to understand the question [12:43] vdv: no! XD [12:43] TERM=xterm here [12:43] vdv: leave that [12:43] ok [12:43] vdv: you want to launch bash (or any other sh) as a login shell. there will be an option somewhere [12:44] or just copy the stuff in profile over to ~/.bashrc, which seems to me the simplest [12:44] there's just path to bash [12:44] /bin/bash [12:44] you know, the choices bash makes to source files seem so simple when you look at them, but they cause so much difficulty when you don't consistently log in at the console [12:44] there should be a checkbox [12:45] EthanG: not in my Konsole. [12:45] but you can simply add it to the bash command line [12:45] oh that is true [12:46] can anyone look in menueditor how kde calls konsole? [12:46] vdv: if you can't find the checkbox, make "/bin/bash" into "/bin/bash -l" [12:46] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.128) joined ##slackware. [12:46] vdv: probably just runs it [12:47] added -l option [12:47] that fixes the problem [12:47] thanks [12:47] but i wonder why in kde that doesn't occur [12:47] i both startx and startxfce from the same tty [12:48] which is already sourced [12:48] oh... yeah D: [12:48] bleh, I gave up on all that stuff [12:48] :) [12:48] i'm tired too :( [12:49] Action: vdv misses his old install with kde3 [12:49] aw aye [12:49] vdv: Konsole does not do anything special apart from running the shell in hte manner you specify [12:49] man, what i wouldnt give for a ready made tool that can yank out links in the .dynamic section of an elf file... [12:50] adaptr: appart from emulating an entire vt100 terminal [12:50] ki2azy (~krazy@99.189.55.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:51] Action: macavity goes back to studying libelf code exables :-/ [12:51] >vt100 [12:51] macavity: pfft. that's sort of assumed. and be glad it doesn't emulate an actual VT100. you would run screaming [12:51] terminals are pretty complex things to emulate. not too long ago it was hard to find an emulator without obvious bugs [12:51] in its normal mode, it will "emulate" an xterm, that being a terminal type most programs understand these modern days [12:51] yeah.. mostly all of vt220 is required to make ncurses apps not look crappy [12:52] however, i wouldn't mind if it could actually emulate the linux console instead [12:53] as the linux console can do double lined window drawing characters [12:53] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:53] that's just a character set, dude [12:53] aye, and looks nasty on euro consoles, lol [12:53] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. 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[12:55] if you tell it to [12:55] ah, found [12:55] option [12:56] it's called something cryptic on logout, like "save session" :p [12:56] isn't there any keyboard layout switcher for gtk? :) [12:56] adaptr: i know, but so far i havent found a full (std/alt) char set that i can count on everyone having installed, so forcing ncurses to use double lined windows (which in its own right requres some persuation) is pretty much sure to backfire when people use it in xterms [12:57] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:57] macavity: it's pretty sure to backfire when British residents use it in their Linux consoles, never mind the rest of the world ;) [12:57] macavity: um. surely the console default one (which is not linux's, but embeddedin the BIOS) is avialable [12:57] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:57] and what he said ^^^ [12:57] use the most common truetype one you can find, I say [12:57] exactly [12:57] macavity: you get rows like this: ŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔŔ [12:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [12:58] securekey (~securekey@blk-222-34-186.eastlink.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:58] adaptr: it tentds to piss people off when programs tell people to change their particular beloved font in Xterm to make said program not look like sht [12:58] *tends [12:59] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [12:59] i havent looked too closely into this whole UTF8 thing yet.. maybe there is a solution [13:00] i demand that everyone and everything run ibm cp850!!! ;-) [13:00] vdv: there is a keyboard layout its found in the system settings area [13:01] KaMii, don't have xfce-xkb plugin [13:01] check slackbuilds.org for xfce plugins [13:01] but you should have it [13:01] now building already :) [13:01] is it in default installation? [13:02] in kde i used kxkb [13:02] did you build xfce yourself? [13:02] nope [13:02] 13.1 packages [13:03] not sure why you didnt have xkb I dont remember building it on my own [13:03] BBL guys [13:03] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:04] settings --> Keyboard --> Layout didnt work for you? [13:04] seems you're right [13:04] i see the panel [13:04] in settings [13:05] there was take system setting checked [13:06] ya, thats selected by default [13:06] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:07] KaMii, i've added second layout, but stil no icon in tray [13:07] vdv: also something you may want to do if you use the XFCE menu, right click on the icon --> preferences --> select use custom menu file [13:07] vdv: delete the first one, it was doing that to me also, I just put only one keyboard layout in there. [13:08] oh, you want an icon, sorry read too fast, well I never tried to get that working as I only use one keyboard layout [13:09] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] KaMii, yeah, i need something like kxkb [13:09] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:10] not sure about that one, you can try asking someone in #xfce [13:10] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [13:11] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-11-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:13] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-122-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[13:51] But even something as simple as echo "this happens" >> /root/test.txt never seems to run. [13:51] my money is on your shebang [13:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:52] How so? [13:53] This is it: #!/bin/sh What's wrong with it? [13:53] mmm [13:53] and /bin/sh is ? [13:53] a link to bash, hopefully ? [13:53] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.128) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:54] I would assume. It's not like I made this file myself, it was the default install in Slack. [13:54] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:54] ls -l /bin/bash ? [13:54] er [13:54] /bin/sh [13:54] Yeh, it's a symlink. [13:54] Looks good. [13:54] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:54] if you run it by hand, does /root/test.txt get created ? [13:55] it being "sh /etc/rc.d/rc.local" or so [13:55] Yep, and everything in it fires off. [13:55] hum. and perms on rc.local are what? [13:56] -rwxr-xr-x [13:56] ok, NFC then [13:56] rc.M is obviously running, or I'd not even be able to shell in. [13:56] But could it somehow hang halfway through maybe? [13:57] you have more than "echo crap >> /root/crap.txt" ? [13:57] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Yeh, I have a bunch of those sprinkled liberally throughout. I started up pppd. [13:57] Not much else. [13:58] if you're trying to troubleshoot rc.local running, start with something simple then [13:58] if simple works, then rc.M, bash, rc.local, etc. are fine, and your script sucks [13:58] What's simpler than echoing to some log file? [13:58] nothing, but you said you have more [13:58] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [13:58] I'll comment out the rest then. [14:00] try putting your additonal stuff last [14:01] shouldn't matter.. it will try to run everything regardless of errors [14:01] maybe [14:01] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:02] slick55 (~slick@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] why doesnt the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 script bring up all network interfaces together, in parallel? [14:03] Actually, looks like rc.M isn't doing anything after starting cron. [14:03] Not sure why. [14:03] spawn it [14:04] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [14:04] you could also check your system logs [14:04] hey arfon [14:04] Howdy [14:04] Hy ski [14:04] reverse that plz [14:04] lol [14:05] thats some kinda dyslexia [14:05] I had a 'liquid lunch'. The tea is going to my head [14:06] i guess that would actually be dysjotia [14:06] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:06] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:07] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Changing host [14:07] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [14:07] You can go with dysjotia or you can go with datjotia... [14:08] Ok, here's a dumb question... if rc.M invokes another init script with the dot, and that script exits... does the whole process just die right there? [14:08] Or does it just return to rc.M ? [14:08] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@cpc3-leic3-0-0-cust792.8-1.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Should return unless you run the other script with & [14:09] thats what i meant by spawn it [14:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:09] juboba (juboba@190-95-51-240.bk19-dsl.surnet.cl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:09] I don't know abour rc.M specifically but that's how bash scripts roll. [14:10] none of the scripts are special [14:10] They all ride the LONG school bus? [14:10] Some days I feel like I don't. [14:11] :( We're all ike that sometimes Redb3ard [14:12] irssi | ispell [14:12] It's the rc.postgresql script. Ugh. [14:12] go figure [14:13] Why are you using postgres? [14:13] It even says at the top "do not source this script, it contains exits". [14:13] I'm a stooge. [14:13] (I'm not going to bash, just curious) [14:13] We use postgres for lots of things, actually. [14:13] I prefer it over mysql. [14:13] i think its overly complex [14:13] f bash scripts [14:13] php 4 ever [14:13] why? (curious because I'm thinking of switching teams) [14:13] php sux [14:14] PostgreSQL is nice because it is a BSD license. [14:14] Which means you can commerically redistribute it! [14:14] arfon: it offers standards compliant SQL, scales well across many nodes and have a different feature set from other SQL databases [14:14] It's vanilla SQL right? [14:14] I like being able to have real constraints. [14:14] Well, before you sell me on postgres, what's the drawbacks? [14:14] br00tal (~br00tal@c-66-41-95-104.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:14] Fail early, fail often. [14:15] cen___: strange.. thats my only point against it :P [14:15] If you absolutely needed them, you'd have to half-ass it in mysql with their atrocious triggers. [14:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] macavity: When you write software for a living --- and you don't want to create your own database and don't want to pay licensing.. [14:16] cen___: i am a severly old rat in the Open Source vs Free Software debate... and i happen to prefere copyleft [14:16] So, ignoring the license thing, what's the drawback to postgres? [14:17] It works, it's not Microsoft. Anything past that is details. [14:17] Hmm.. [14:17] Scaling postgres is tricky. [14:17] But scaling anything is, really. [14:17] <--- not going to scale squat [14:17] arfon: that it requires your code to be SQL compliant.. that means that lots of popular code that is MySQL-centric wont run.. and the developers of said code probably doesnt even realize (or worse: care) [14:17] I'm just afraid of Oracle-mysql [14:18] why? [14:18] if it gets out of hand it will fork [14:18] there are already forks out there [14:18] many forks scare me... [14:18] Too many and Cats start sleeping with Dogs. [14:19] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.34.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [14:19] sometimes a temporary prolifferation of the code is very good.. other times it just never comes back together and ends up a turf war where none of the forks really gain momentum [14:19] well maybe you can hold your blanket [14:19] Action: arfon applauses macavity [14:19] only time will show which way it goes with MySQL... though i personally belive that the demand for it is great enough to get people working together rather than competing [14:20] i typically only upgrade when needed so i rarely if ever care about the future [14:20] I just do simple Perl things with it.... [14:20] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] and cen_____________ Perl > php [14:20] arfon: then this whole conversation is moot :P [14:21] arfon: that depends on the purpose [14:21] Ok, thanks. I'll stick with MySQL until Pat drops it [14:21] THAT'S my watermark [14:21] arfon: perl has the very big advantage of being part of POSIX, so you can rely on finding it on every system [14:21] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@cpc3-leic3-0-0-cust792.8-1.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [14:22] i use both, i don't think they're exclusive [14:22] I <3 Perl [14:22] arfon: but PHP has the advantage of being actually readable for people like me (i happen to think even well written perl code looks the same both before and after a round of TrippleDES) [14:22] i rarely code myself anymore, i'd rather just tie packages together [14:23] macavity, actually thats a feature [14:23] Really macavity ? I picked up Perl easily because it's very close to BASIC [14:23] lol [14:23] (Yes, I like BASIC, the old versions, not this new crap) [14:23] perl is write-only code to me :P [14:23] :) [14:23] i can only code perl in the moment [14:23] arfon: you should look at python [14:24] securekey (~securekey@blk-222-34-186.eastlink.ca) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:24] months later i can't tell what i was doing or why [14:24] C untill the day that i die! :P [14:24] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:24] Skywise: you are not alone [14:24] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:24] especially if i have really elegant and condensed code [14:24] it just looks like squiggles [14:24] I don't want to go to the dark side macavity [14:25] arfon: lol [14:25] language religion war is the only war that predates the editor war :P [14:25] s/editor/editor religion/ [14:25] i modified an eggdrop bot to host an online racing league and it was cool [14:26] Who won? [14:26] but man, it would take me forever to learn how to modifying it again [14:26] i'll have to check [14:26] arfon: none.. they are both still raging on.. and cassualties rates are still climbing :P [14:26] i don't think they ever finished the rotation [14:26] Skywise: I suffer from that with ANYONE's code. I can't understand other ppl's programming. [14:27] and comments don't really help [14:27] macavity: WHEN WILL THE CARNAGE END!?!?! [14:27] nevar! [14:27] because you never comment on the reason or the esoteric aspects [14:27] another good merit of C is that you actually have access to great code written by the best [14:27] *that* teaches good coding habbits [14:27] Okay help me out here you PHPers..... [14:28] i cant write a single line of PHP... but i can read it quite easily [14:28] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] I want Drupal to send emails.... Apparently the PHP guys wrote an smtp interface for windows but decided not to for *nix [14:28] 1st off, why did they do that? [14:29] whats windows specific about it [14:29] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] you shouldn't need to use an smtp server for outgoing email in linux [14:29] not unless your isp is blocking port 25 [14:29] 2nd off, is there a simple smtp send script that I can use intsead of a full blown MTA? [14:30] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] sendmail configured for standalone? [14:30] Windows specific: it says that you can configure out going mail through the windows only php smtp 'module?' [14:30] on Linux, you have to use the mail command [14:30] yeah i think you can do it another way [14:30] yea, you got the mail command [14:31] I've been FIGHTING with phpmailer for 2 days.... Grrr [14:31] http://idonny.com/analysis/drupal-sending-email-without-smtp-server-configure [14:31] thats the 2nd link in google [14:32] If I just install the slackware default sendmail package, will outgoing mail just work? [14:32] yeah [14:32] arfon: but mailx will probably do the job [14:32] see mailx(1), or read the link Skywise posted [14:32] Will it be relay proof? [14:33] how would i know :P [14:33] it should be by default [14:33] GooseYArd (GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [14:33] there shouldn't be any relaying allowed [14:33] br00tal (~br00tal@c-66-41-95-104.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] and you don't have to open port 25 in your firewall [14:33] cause you're not accepting mail [14:34] You're da man macdaddy! You should know! [14:34] uhm, actually it was Skywise who suggested it [14:34] well, hell, I'm gonna install sendmail [14:34] i just traislated the "the mail command" into "mailx" [14:34] He's da man too [14:35] I feel a bromance coming on. [14:35] so what are you doing with it anyway? [14:35] Action: macavity backs off [14:35] that isnt contageous, is it? :P [14:35] Hosting pr0n [14:35] (JK) [14:35] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:35] I have some dumb websites [14:36] why not wordpress or something [14:37] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:37] I fight with Wordpress on my blog... I'm tried of it [14:37] ..and I mean Wordpress Wordpress [14:37] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [14:37] k [14:38] Drupal, even though it gets into module hook hell, works great for my needs [14:38] I looked at Joomla but, it doesn't have the flash pacman plugin for it. [14:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:38] (jk again) [14:40] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [14:40] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [14:41] bbl [14:41] Bye Skywise [14:41] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [14:41] i'm just gonna take a showerf [14:42] please [14:42] yw [14:42] :) [14:42] stephen__ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:42] I don't care what macavity says about you Skywise, youre ok [14:42] lol [14:43] :) [14:43] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] I'm having a problem with hp-info. It complains about no qt4 support. I looked at the script file and there is a line which tries to import QApplication from PyQt4.QtGui. I loaded up python and I can import PyQt4 but there is indeed no QtGui module to be found. [14:48] what am I missing? [14:49] (other than those python modules) [14:49] there's no python qt extensions that I can find for 13.1 [14:51] ok, it looks like cups wants PyQt. Why isn't PyQt in 13.1? :P [14:51] arfon, you might be interested in this: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2949&sid=af0e996f8a7894deeb7071871f171b31 [14:51] The guy has a script fragment that promises to get the aircard into the right state from a warm boot. [14:52] But I'm having trouble making it work. [14:52] Starting usb_modeswitch from rc.local is hanging. [14:52] Cool. [14:52] lemme take a look [14:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:52] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:52] Well, just look for now. It causes a spectacular crapfest for me. [14:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:53] HA!! Your Jedi-mind trick isn't going to get me to touch my working configuration! [14:54] You know how I handle this? I unplug and repug the modem. :) [14:54] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:54] crap. nevermind. [14:55] I can't help that. [14:55] My machine's going to be in the middle of a soybean field. 75 miles from anywhere. [14:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:55] And if I want to remotely fix it, I can do that... provided the aircard is up and running. [14:55] It's the one thing I can't have fail. [14:56] Use a USB extension cable and put a joint the the cab.... [14:56] Haha. [14:56] :) [14:56] A little robotic arm, that just plugs and unplugs at bootup, eh? [14:56] NOW you're thinking like a nerd [14:57] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:58] Actually... not a serious suggestion but, you could put a ST4P switch in the USB line... [14:59] That is one thing I noticed, if I boot the machine with the modem plugged in, it's not detected.... [14:59] There's a way to fix this in software. Just wish I knew what it was. [14:59] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:59] This is Linux, there's 50 ways to fix it... [14:59] What I'd really like, is to modify the damn thing so it never pretends to be a cd drive. [15:00] ok, never-nevermind. hp-check is in hplip, which is an official package. [15:00] why is pyqt not an official package if it's required by hplip? [15:00] Sauron|Out (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [15:00] ##slackware: mode change '+b *|out!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:00] Sauron|Out kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Please turn off away nicks. [15:03] popl: if it is a hard dependency (as in, hp-check bails out with errors about missing libs) then you should file a bug [15:03] oh son of a bitch [15:03] popl, it is [15:03] PyQt is a package [15:03] not pyqt [15:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:03] ah :-) [15:03] I am going to stab someone in the face. :P [15:03] problem solved :P [15:04] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:04] I wish there could be some sort of freaking capitalization agreement or something on packages [15:04] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Case sensitivity FTW! [15:04] case sensitivity is going to get someone capped [15:04] :P [15:05] you're the one struggling, not us :> [15:05] Then they will be lowered? [15:05] thrice`: yes, struggling with bureaucrats in my school life, professional life [15:05] and now apparently my operating system as well [15:05] AWESOME [15:05] oooh c'mon, you didn't even try *that* hard :p [15:06] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:06] thrice`: dude, I checked error logs, grepped around, uninstalled and reinstalled hp-lip to make sure it was an official package, searched for the 13.0 changes_and_hints.txt and that's when I found PyQt [15:06] not to be bureaucratic about it.. but if you attept to be consistant it should have been "computing life" :P [15:06] so don't tell me I didn't try too hard [15:06] :P [15:07] ugh, I should get a lobotomy so I can be a stupid Windows user [15:07] doesn't the capital letter make it appear almost first in your /var/log/packages/ list? [15:07] thrice`: it wasn't installed. [15:07] popl: labotomies are expencive.. it is much easier to handle it with an axe and some iodine :P [15:07] ah, ok [15:07] popl: then we might even get you dumbed all the way down to MacOS :P [15:08] OS X is pretty nice [15:08] you can just drag and drop colors from the color picker to change terminal text [15:08] *terminal text colors [15:08] it has a terminal? [15:08] I was far too thrilled with that [15:08] Action: arfon swoons [15:08] yeah macavity [15:08] OS X is posix [15:08] you can do all kinds of unix stuff on it [15:09] strange.. i thought those were outlawed by whatshisname [15:09] maybe if you read the news or something you might know about it ;P [15:09] linXea (~Slackytux@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Did you cut the PoWaH bitch ? [15:09] being posix and actually having an xterm client are two very different things :P [15:09] meh.. proprietary software doesnt interest me.. except when they screw up or scew over some users [15:09] well, I don't think it would have an xterm because it's not running X [15:10] it was just called terminal or something iirc [15:10] $GRAPHICAL_TERMINAL_EMULATOR then [15:10] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] but any os without some kind of terminal is a silly idea [15:10] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-49-184.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:10] I know lots of technophiles who use OS X [15:11] they're always using ruby or objective C *blech* [15:11] objective C is nice.. using it to expand a proprietary platform is not ;-) [15:12] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:13] mac is posix [15:13] OS9 especially [15:13] its like 110% posix [15:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:14] you mean POSIX + SUS + Extended UNIX Specification? [15:14] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:14] bbl [15:15] haha macavity is running away [15:15] ;P [15:15] windows is posix [15:16] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [15:16] not for a long time, adrien [15:16] SFU/SUA is working and is not going to disappear tomorrow [15:16] Microsoft wipes its corporate rear with standards adrien [15:17] even the standards created by Microsoft [15:17] uhm yes.. just not the POSIX Tools and Commands part... and ofcause, they have a few "glitches" here and there [15:17] rules are for other people [15:17] we cant have the P in POSIX mean what it stands for, now can we? :P [15:18] iirc, government contracts require POSIX support in the US [15:18] microsoft need SFU/SUA for that: be able to say "posix is supported", even if they don't care [15:19] that sounds plausible [15:19] and SFU/SUA works well [15:19] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [15:21] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:21] adrien: last news I heard on that was the government had dropped it as an actual serious requirement [15:22] Gah, I'm having a brain fart... What's the command to put a single file onto machine2:~/files/ ? [15:22] pffft [15:22] rules are for other people EthanG [15:22] ;P [15:22] any good live cd linux running only under console ? [15:22] arfon: rcp? [15:22] paul424: knoppix? [15:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:23] DUH,, SCP [15:23] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [15:23] puppy [15:23] I was fighting with sftp :P [15:23] EthanG: maybe now, but they still have to support legacy apps so it's not going to disappear before a few years [15:23] Like I said, brain fart [15:23] afaik it takes long time to load [15:23] paul424: define good? if lightweight, then Finnix. you can install Debian packages in it; I installed a build tree once, compiled something & installed on a usb stick, lol [15:23] so no X please ... [15:23] arfon: also look at uucp [15:24] Action: KaMii is cooking again... watch out hehe [15:25] EthanG: which starts immidietly [15:25] paul424: DSL (Damn Small Linux) [15:25] ok thanks [15:25] KaMii: don't blow up your trailer [15:26] lol i wish i had my own trailer that would be awesome [15:26] paul424: well I vaguely remember Finnix being quick on a 466MHz iBook. I dunno though, vague memory [15:26] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [15:27] EthanG: the thing is : I tried knopix or something similar on notebook a few years ago and it was long mounting [15:27] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:27] paul424: yes, and Finnix does use Knoppix scripts [15:28] EthanG: how long does it take to start ? [15:28] still, reading from the cd-rom drive will take time, especially as the head searches a lot [15:28] I can't remember. [15:28] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-118-170.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:30] I want only to start networking connection [15:31] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-84.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:31] well try DSL as macavity said, and if no good, try Finnix. Finnix is a small download (for a live-cd) [15:32] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] DSL is no longer being developed [15:33] they all moved over to tinycore a long time ago [15:33] I would advise against DSL [15:33] oh tinycore! [15:36] doesnt zipslack use a fat FS? [15:36] huh dsl wouldn't fit my requests because of 2.4 kernel : what I want is get admin CD with which I could connect to IRC, www etc and mount my own slack partiions [15:36] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-82.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] paul424: build your own livecd [15:36] Action: EthanG pokes paul424, points to KaMii's comment [15:38] haha [15:38] I remember zip drives :P [15:38] I still have one somewhere :) [15:38] me too [15:38] it's attached to an iMac [15:39] nvision_ (~nvision@g224250186.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:40] i have one too, but i sorta blew up the power-supply [15:40] mine's buried in a box. I might yet use it to boot my old computer if its hard drive is dead, lol [15:40] Mowah (1000@c-1883e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:40] only sorta? do a proper job, man, you wanna see fireworks! XD [15:41] well, it blew all the circuits to three rooms in the house [15:41] and it was smoking [15:41] ohhh ouch! [15:41] looks like you're on your way to that trailer [15:41] paul424: Why not run Slax and use the Text boot option? [15:41] okay, yeah, you blew it up [15:41] keep it up and you'll be living in a box [15:41] :D [15:42] lol never plug in a USA 110v. electronics into a european 220v. socket. [15:42] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:42] not unless you like physical pain [15:42] silly Europeans... 220 is dangerous [15:43] probably, lol [15:43] oh was it not a multi-volt? my ibook plugged straight in, with a change of plug, lol. mind you it says on the back, 90-250V [15:43] ya... it wasnt multivolt, i just used an adapter and I really needed a converter [15:44] ah ya :/ [15:44] aryr100 (~aryr100@64.132.183.186) joined ##slackware. [15:44] KaMii: as far as I know the EU standard is 230 V [15:45] quiz: which kernel version dropped the hda support ? [15:45] uhh dropped the separate IDE interface :D [15:46] the voltage varies with the frequency 50 or 60Hz... from 220V to 240V I think... if I learned anything from schooling [15:46] ya, most things here are between 220 - 240 [15:46] 60Hz 110 to 120V, it varies I think during the cycle [15:47] why do you think 80s hairstyle is so popular here? all those extra volts just poofs out our hair [15:47] I'm not sure I learned anything [15:47] hehehe [15:48] but seriously i love the 80s style, and I dont understand why it ever left [15:49] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:49] people do not have as much hair growing on their heads anymore as in the 80s [15:50] yeah I love it too :) [15:50] something happened to everyone [15:51] too much exposure tothe cathode ray tubes or something... maybe hair starting to grow back now [15:52] hehe [15:53] aryr100 (~aryr100@64.132.183.186) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] Sorry, the dressing in rags and multicolored leather sux'd [15:54] well, yes, certain things were a little much [15:54] tone down the hair a bit (but not too much) and use some moderately sane clothes, & it could be great [15:55] The 80s were fun [15:55] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Best decade I have lived through [15:55] correction: most fun decade [15:56] jhw (~jhw@p548D7186.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:56] how would someone reinstall lilo to a floppy after booted into the system? [15:56] What in the world are you doing KaMii ? [15:57] vbox install of slack-11 [15:57] lilo is broke on mbr and I need it on a virtual disk image [15:57] Why slack 11? [15:57] I have the diskimage set up already, i just need to know the command to install lilo to it [15:58] because I run slack-11 on this lappy but it doesnt have enough hdd to have D set installed and I want to compile some things [15:58] Wait, are you installing Lilo to a VM disk or a floppy? [15:58] im installing lilo a virtual floppy image [15:58] cen___ (cen@pool-96-246-3-39.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [15:59] dudes m, the finnix kernel is 2.6.30 so does it use the sda as a IDE interface ? [15:59] put freedos on the floppy and use loadlin? [15:59] did slack 11 have "make boot floppy" option? [15:59] it did in the setup script [15:59] but I chose to install to root [16:00] and that didnt work [16:00] paul424: I expect so [16:00] whynot into the vm mbr? [16:00] slack-11 said it was experimental and dangerous [16:01] ... [16:01] I can't remember.... But, it's a VM, who cares if it's dangerous? [16:01] lol ya, true i guess, but too late [16:01] It's a VM, reinstall... [16:01] there isnt some simple command to put a backup lilo on disk? [16:01] And PFFT! on that too dangerous thing [16:02] <--always have installed to mbr [16:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-49-184.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:03] Never did it KaMii, you can try and see if pkgtools>configure has the 'make boot floopy' option [16:03] I'd just reinstall and use the mbr [16:04] or do what EthanG said and make a bootable FAT partition then loadlin it [16:05] Action: EthanG has verified loadlin works with slackware 13.1 huge kernel ^^; [16:05] Just can't give up your DOS 6.22 there EthanG ? [16:06] hehe [16:06] it's FreeDOS now, but.. well, I've just got sick of bootloaders [16:07] :) [16:07] granted FreeDOS wasn't that great to set up itself, but it's a lot more recoverable, at least [16:07] Don't fear the fish [16:07] hehe [16:08] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-200-153.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:08] you can boot a parition from the install cd and then run lilo [16:08] hey, I have great idea for google search : decreasing the value of forum's web content. Then one could get normal search as several years ago .... [16:09] I mean as an optional feature [16:09] oh indeed! [16:09] paul424: tried duck duck go? [16:09] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-207-156.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:09] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-207-156.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:09] I don't know if it does that, but I've been happy with it [16:10] EthanG: surely , thats my profession why I don';t hang up in here :P [16:10] s/why/when [16:10] ah ok XD [16:13] I'd be happy with a -FORUM option [16:13] -UBUNTU would be nice too :) [16:14] hmm, a couple of times I've got good advice from ubuntu forums [16:14] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-215-177.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Cna you setup a site blacklist on your google account? [16:14] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-215-177.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Action: KaMii is shocked to see EthanG say the words good and ubuntu in the same sentence, I thought that was something you have always forbid [16:15] He was being sarcastic KaMii [16:16] when will someone make the sarcasm font? [16:17] oh goodness, I did, didn't I? [16:19] n37wk3r (~Unknown@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFF11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:26] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:28] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:31] mario__ (~mario@bl11-157-159.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:32] hi [16:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-49-184.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:33] is some here? [16:34] darkrho (~darkrho@host-190-11-76-15.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [16:34] nope! [16:35] hi [16:35] hiya [16:35] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:35] m3tti (~user@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] today i sent an email to slackware exposing some bugs in XFCE shipped with 13.1 [16:36] and I received a reply to go here talk about that [16:37] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [16:37] what wss the bug? [16:37] ah no clue from me, I don't use xfce [16:37] s/wss/was/ [16:37] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [16:37] one bug is in xfce4-session-settings [16:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:38] if you add a new entry in startup programs the the windows closes [16:38] and i get a segment fault in the terminal [16:39] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:39] the other error is in thunar, sometimes when i click with right mouse button the windows closes [16:39] n37wk3r (~Unknown@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [16:39] you mean in the Application Autostart section mario__? [16:39] wooooot [16:39] yes [16:39] hrm in current? [16:40] no in stable [16:40] but xfce version is the same in both [16:40] xfce has a new version 4.6.2, have a lot of bug fixes and a new version of thunar [16:41] i asked in my email if that version can be included in at least -current [16:41] mario__, are you on 32-bit, or 64-bit? [16:41] 64 bits [16:41] my xfce runs quiet stable over here [16:42] I get a segfault too mario__ [16:42] nothing wrong with thunar either [16:42] I just tried [16:42] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.1/x86_64/xfce-4.6.2-x86_64-3_rlw.txz try that [16:42] i have to laptops both with slackware64 13.1 [16:42] *two laptops [16:42] and i see the bug in two [16:43] mario__: it appears that xfce4-session-settings segfaults but when I loaded it up again my change had been made [16:43] and people from LinuxQuestions confirm [16:43] xfce is awesome :P [16:43] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:43] mario__, there is a 4.6.2 package above :) [16:44] yes, i don't like to install new versions of software shipped with slackware [16:45] its clear that way [16:45] slick55 (~slick@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:45] the error with thunar don't know the cause, sometimes happens [16:45] mario__: thunar is buggy. I don't like it. :( [16:45] Mowah (1000@c-1883e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] i like it, its very simple [16:47] i love the xfce idea, simple good performance and use little resources [16:47] it might be nice if it weren't so buggy. I like the shortcut area in the sidebar [16:47] xfce is actually getting more bloated though [16:47] this is the post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-thunar-closes-when-right-mouse-button-is-clicked-823225/ [16:47] what you mean? [16:47] i like emacs XD [16:47] EvanR-work (~evan@wsip-98-175-17-4.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] do my main work in cli XD [16:48] I think the new thunar even depends on gnome products for device mounting [16:48] can lilo/grub be used on a usb drive to boot the ext3 fs on that drive? [16:49] EvanR-work: yes i've done that once for my debian boot stick [16:49] ah ok [16:49] feel ashamed :-( [16:49] XD [16:49] tekzilla (~jon@d086233.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:49] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [16:49] thrice the thunar that will came with 4.8 will use GiO [16:49] apn (~apn@pool-71-190-25-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-95-26.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] to mount devices with udev instead of hall [16:50] like Gnome in version 2.30 XFCE is moving to udev in version 4.8 [16:50] has anyone sucessfully installed OSX in virtualbox or knows a reference somewhere that can help me? [16:50] KaMii: what vbox version? [16:50] mario__, yes, but that depends on gvfs from gnome, which pulls in a few things [16:51] 3.2.6 [16:51] popl you said xfce is actually getting more bloated though, what you mean? [16:51] KaMii: ok. afaik osx support is still experimental. Haven't tried it myself though. [16:51] yes, but gvfs is already in slackbuilds [16:51] mario__: it is requiring more third-party libraries [16:52] mario__, gvfs will also pull in gnome-disk-utility [16:52] KaMii: might have more success asking around in the forum or in #vbox [16:52] i got a hackintosh snowleapard iso but it just hangs during boot, im wondering if I have the wrong osx type [16:52] g-d-u pulls in libunique, udisks, libatasmart, gnome-keyring [16:52] this is gvfs in slackbuils http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/gvfs/ [16:53] mario__, right, but for udev support, gnome-disk-utility is needed [16:53] mario__: it is still nice but it is not as lightweight as it used to be [16:53] I had an os x hack for 6 months. had more luck on real hardware (but mostly had the right hardware) [16:54] strangely enough it's always has broken bits, though. ;P [16:54] I still new in this, like i didn't see any other dependency I think there is another [16:54] the sad thing is I only need osx so I can put pages on to convert all my old .pages files over to something that can be used with open office. I forgot to do that before I installed slackintosh [16:54] s/has/had/ [16:54] tekzilla (~jon@d032204.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:54] mario__, this is for thunar 1.1.x though, not 1.0.x [16:54] my version of thunar is 1.0.1 [16:55] popl: yeah i see your point, i think is the price for a more complete system [16:55] yeah [16:55] mario__: xfce is no longer just a window manager, it is a desktop environment [16:55] so they claim ;P [16:55] it's the lighter from the big 3 [16:56] xfce is hardly light these days :> [16:56] thrice`: he said lighter [16:56] popl: hope don't make many enemies, but i don't like a little of KDE4 [16:56] thrice`: quit being contrarian :P [16:56] blahblah :p [16:57] it consomes 700 MB of my memory [16:57] it doesnt claim to be light it claims to be cholesterol free, hehe [16:57] people who are "enemies" with someone else over a desktop environment need to get a life. :) [16:57] mario__: kde sucks [16:57] now my memory consution is 200, 100 to firefox [16:57] :) [16:58] you must have something else running if it is taking 700mb of memory [16:58] I have my shared of fanboys [16:59] KaMii: all the kde crap can easily consume loads of ram [16:59] krap, that is [16:59] yea, well running xfce with kde support, what would you expect? [16:59] word [16:59] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [16:59] kde4 is like 350mb on my machine [17:00] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-200-153.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:00] if you want light, turn off kde support, check your autostart and make sure kde apps are not being loaded [17:00] one thing i like in xfce, it's very little 20 megas the package from Slackware [17:00] but have a lot of plugins that people can install [17:00] thrice`: but you don't reside in actual reality [17:00] you live in your own little world :P [17:00] KDE brings everything [17:00] i decided to run both [17:00] mario__: you can divoce kde from xfce [17:00] both are good [17:00] s/divoce/divorce [17:01] no, people just get on these stupid "kde is bloated" wagons and are quite clueless in reality :p [17:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *|out!*@* expired. [17:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *|out!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:01] xfce is fast, kde is nice [17:01] I used KDE 3.x [17:01] i3 wins :D [17:01] All of you are wrong... TWM is still the best. [17:01] and it was my DE of choise [17:01] wut? [17:01] i think they are all good, just pick one that suits your needs [17:01] thrice`: maybe I'm just on a "thrice is a big fat troll" wagon. ;P [17:01] kde is bloated ( :-) ) [17:01] i3 is unbloated :D [17:01] i'm a troll? that's quite sad [17:02] evil is unbloated [17:02] but the 4 version sorry [17:02] thrice`: yes, it is [17:02] thrice`: but life goes on :) [17:02] my girfriend is bloated :( [17:02] but at least KDE team have developtmens cycles just to clean code and fix bugs [17:02] dustybin: let the air out [17:03] :D [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/which-de-wm-do-you-use-825541/ [17:04] what makes a de bloated? [17:04] here everyone can go vote and tell why you love your DE [17:04] anyone experience with intel wifi link 5100 [17:04] zaythan: beer and sausage usually [17:04] OH [17:04] hehe [17:05] popl: you use xfce right? [17:05] yes [17:05] but talking about your favorite $thing on a forum is a recipe for a flame war [17:05] so in your opinion will 4.6.2 get to Slackware? [17:05] xfce is bloated because dwm is thinner [17:06] mario__: eventually [17:06] I don't know when though [17:06] http://i3.zekjur.net/ [17:06] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:06] Nick change: BiCHiTo -> Sauron|Out [17:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *|out!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:06] Sauron|Out kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Please turn off away nicks. [17:06] it isn't my decision [17:06] just asking, like I said in the mail some theresa send me here [17:06] Action: KaMii waits for everyone in here to create their own WM [17:06] zaythan: with xfce taking 100MB of RAM for a less smooth user experience than Windows 98 by far, I'm not sure I want to know. there has to be.. a lot of stupid in there somehow, I can't see how else it can work out. Perhaps "a failure to research properly" would be a kinder way of putting it [17:06] Action: dustybin tiles KaMii [17:06] Action: popl cascades [17:07] Action: EthanG hides windows! [17:07] don't know how much emacs takes usualy XD [17:07] Action: EthanG docks them too! [17:07] Action: apn drinks coke. [17:07] "drinks" [17:07] yeah right [17:07] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.207.50) joined ##slackware. [17:07] oh eight megabytes and constantly swapping? :) [17:07] Action: m3tti drinks green tea (gunpowder) [17:07] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [17:08] cascading sounds like something ice skaters do [17:08] like this is 2010 if you are crying over 700mb of ram, probably time to upgrade that beast [17:08] just curious is some here that have any "power" in future releases of slackware? [17:08] mario__: the one with all the power is Patrick Volkerding [17:08] KaMii: Says the "how do I make a boot floppy" person... :P [17:09] hahaha, [17:09] arfon: i followed your advice and just reinstalled it [17:09] bkeller (~bkeller@adsl-152-215-96.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] YAY! I'm useful! [17:09] KaMii, I use linux for better resource magment if I wanted beautiful colors I used Windows [17:09] ill volker *your* ding [17:10] Patrick Volkerding comes here some time? [17:10] he lives in a cloud fortress inside of a lollipop forest, swinging from licorice vines [17:10] I've never seen Patrick Volkerding in ##slackware [17:10] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:10] mario__: then why are you complaining? use twm and be happy [17:10] I use linux for beautiful colours in windowmaker. it's not the ultimate window manager, but the ultimate wm is a myth [17:10] TWM FTW! [17:10] emacs? :-( [17:11] xD [17:11] who was it that said emacs is its own OS? [17:11] sorry m3tti i like vim [17:11] Action: arfon smacks m3tti.. get back in your box [17:11] it is! that's a known fact [17:11] oh it is? i thought they were just joking [17:11] i can never tell when people are serious on here [17:11] it's a lisp machine which just happens to be hostable by other OSs :D [17:11] slick55 (~slick@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:12] well "lisp machine" is a bit much maybe, I just made that up [17:12] EthanG: thats right young jedi XD [17:12] XD [17:12] you didn't make up lisp machines [17:12] the force is strong with that one [17:12] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:12] KaMii i'm not complaint I have 4 gigas of memory, but i want to use it for more usefull stuff [17:13] mario__: compiling ?!?!?!?! [17:13] a bytecode-based environment can be a full OS although hosted [17:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:13] like python [17:13] EthanG: [17:14] I guess, it's fairly unified across architectures, yeah [17:14] you want really unified, look at inferno [17:14] yeah [17:14] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-yhuzileekeekzmih) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:15] m3tti: I compile a lot, my actual area of research is a agent for this context http://www.semantic-robot-vision-challenge.org/ [17:15] what the [17:15] was there no XOpenDisplay in slackware 11.0? [17:15] it's detecting and classifyng objects [17:16] yeah the url already tell [17:16] im trying to build conky 1.8.0 for slack-11 and i get the error: could not find XOpenDisplay [17:16] I have the page from my university: http://www.ieeta.pt/atri/srvc/ [17:16] KaMii: did you do a web search? [17:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.224.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:18] forget it, im just going to compile 1.6.0 instead [17:18] alta vista search [17:19] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:19] KaMii: you have the attention span of a gibbon :p [17:19] anyone here knows what is to expect to new versions of slackware? [17:19] m3tti (~user@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] im betting on an icecream machine [17:20] macavity_ (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:20] i really hope they include that in the next version [17:21] I want a firetruck in there [17:21] KaMii: you need libXext for xopendisplay [17:21] oh, that sort of makes sense, not sure why but i think i saw that package somewhere [17:21] you could have known that if you searched the web [17:21] eabeacer_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:22] but i got 1.6.0 to compile so I will check to see if that will actually accomplish what I want, thanks [17:22] I did search but my google zen is not powerful today :S [17:22] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:23] dude [17:23] I used a one-word search term [17:23] guess what I used [17:23] Was it XOpenDisplay? [17:23] exit [17:23] was it "fluffy" [17:23] arfon: I didn't even camelcase it [17:23] zaythan (~zaythan@ip98-166-81-162.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:24] (you know that's actually 3 words, right?) [17:24] I know -- I was hesitant to use the word word to describe it. [17:24] Running then together only works in German. [17:24] :) [17:24] arfon: it doesn't really work in German either [17:24] Nick change: macavity_ -> macavity [17:24] flittermaus (sp?)? [17:25] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [17:25] oh, I was using more search terms, and my google goes to google.se so maybe thats why most my searches dont help me [17:25] I know I've seen some realy nasty german run-on words... [17:26] do all search results from google.se just return abba pictures? [17:26] HA HA HA!!!! [17:26] Abba and Hello Kitty [17:26] ...and smurfs [17:26] hahaha [17:26] no we also get a lot of IKEA also [17:27] That's good kindleing [17:27] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:27] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:27] thanks everyone for you help [17:27] eabeacer_ (eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:28] I'm going now [17:28] Bye mario__ [17:28] later skater [17:28] mario__ (mario@bl11-157-159.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:28] eabeacer_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:29] KaMii: Do IKEA stores in Sweden have restaurants in them? [17:29] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:29] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:29] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:30] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:30] yes [17:30] so do Swedish people just like to eat or what? [17:30] but i have only been to one IKEA store, its the first one, because it the one closets to where I live [17:30] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:30] and it still takes over an hour to get there [17:30] eabeacer_ (eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [17:30] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:30] KaMii: do you live in the sticks? [17:31] Does it serve cheap flimsy food also? [17:31] compared to a US city, ya I live in a tiny village [17:31] eabeacer_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:31] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:31] In Sweden we are recognized as a city and we are even going to have a world trade center here, like anyone cares... [17:32] KaMii: how big is the population? [17:32] uhhh, by what they say or the truth? [17:32] arfon: dude they've got salmon and all kinds of stuff in IKEA restaurants [17:32] KaMii: actual [17:33] i would say maybe 20,000 [17:33] oh cool [17:33] I grew up in some places that had even less than that [17:33] they claim over 60,000 i think, but thats only becaue they count all the surrounding villages in that number [17:33] right [17:34] i'm about to drink a glass of absinth [17:34] they call that "combined statistical area" or something [17:34] ok whats the small thing called [17:34] in german pinchen? [17:34] the csa for los angeles is almost 20 million or something [17:34] m3tti: penis? [17:34] no [17:34] :P [17:34] I knew that was coming [17:35] arfon: I see what you did there. [17:35] intentionally, I assure you [17:35] snaps glass [17:35] CORECTION UNintentionally [17:35] is that right [17:36] gah [17:36] cat: write error: No space left on device NOOOOOOO [17:36] shot glass [17:36] m3tti: you're drinking absinthe from a shot glass? [17:37] what country are you in? [17:37] is there a super slim down version of python I can get? [17:37] like less than 50 mb [17:37] bkeller (~bkeller@adsl-152-215-96.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:38] popl: its more a apsinth glass [17:38] i've no glass for it [17:38] KaMii: there are different python implementations but I have no idea if any of them are smaller than cpython [17:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] pypy seems to be popular but I don't think it's any smaller than cpython [17:39] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [17:39] suck [17:39] installing kde and drinking absinth thats a great combination [17:39] uhhh, where does python try to install to? [17:39] maybe the colors are even more intense XD [17:40] i need to manually delete what got installed [17:40] um [17:40] KaMii: you can find that out [17:40] KaMii: you want me to hold your hand? [17:40] What could I do to make it hard or impossible for the guys in IT (that could snoop on my traffic) to see my ssh connection from a win machine to my home linux?? [17:41] samfisher: get a netbook and a 3g adapter [17:41] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:41] m3tti: what country are you in? [17:41] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [17:42] bah [17:42] ok, .de [17:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:43] heh. m3tti is going to be tripping balls [17:44] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:45] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ADAD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] hah. you can buy Swedish meatballs from the IKEA restaurant [17:45] quaint [17:45] KaMii: did you install python fro a package? [17:46] ya, but ran out of HDD [17:46] ok back on kde once again XD [17:46] there is something massively unstable on this system [17:46] oh man i can't decide [17:46] KaMii: pebkac? [17:47] ##slackware: mode change '-b *|out!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:47] pkgtool > view > python will tell you where everything is. [17:47] pkgtool hangs and i have to constantly change the window size for it to continue working [17:47] mmmmmh absinth great taste [17:47] o0 [17:47] ya, its really strange [17:47] are you using the right library versions KaMii? [17:47] i like that smell of wehrmut [17:47] Does Wehrmut like you smelling him? [17:47] m3tti: irc is not the place to talk about your tripping, hippy ;P [17:48] i should be, everything on this system is stock slack-11 except for conky, i built that myself [17:48] lol absinth is alcohol like every other alcohol to [17:48] I. Have. The. Longest. Ignore in the world. NObody can beat me. [17:48] m3tti: absinth has wormwood in it though [17:48] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: exit error code 434 [17:48] miss_riss! [17:48] yeah read about that [17:48] m3tti, can cause halucinations [17:49] is dophin just filemanager part of konqueror? i've changed settings for dophin and that applied also to konqueror filemanger mode [17:49] Hello EthanG. :) [17:49] vdv, dolphin is not part of konq. [17:49] *dolphin [17:49] Dolphin takes from KDE though. [17:49] And what applies to konq applies to most others. [17:49] sage has the same halucinogenic in it as wormwood [17:49] Hi Risa [17:50] EthanG: common sage? [17:50] hi miss_riss I got a message yesterday that you were looking for me? [17:50] Who are you ignoring ? [17:50] KaMii, I was? [17:50] risa likes 15 year old boys [17:50] popl: Although absinthe was vilified, no evidence has shown that it is any more dangerous than ordinary spirits. [17:50] apparently g0v sent me a message saying you were looking for me [17:50] :P [17:50] m3tti: I didn't say it was dangerous [17:50] but it was odd the message appered in window 1 of irssi [17:50] Yea I get that from gov't too. [17:50] m3tti: I just said you were a hippy :P [17:50] 08:09 [Freenode] -g0v(~g0v@about/slackware/phrag)- miss_riss (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) was looking for you on ##slackware 15 hours 10 minutes ago (16.08. 16:00). [17:51] XD i'm not [17:51] g0v has told me that too [17:51] what [17:51] who is that g0v? is it a bot? [17:51] if you type seen someone g0v will usually trigger [17:51] that i'm hippy [17:51] KaMii: yeah [17:51] m3tti: no, the bot doesn't care if you're a hippy [17:51] i wasnt typing though because I was without voice when I got that message [17:52] Crap, what's the command to dissassociate a job from your shell, once it's in the background? [17:52] ridout (~gm@d173-238-243-212.home4.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] you mean to re-associate? [17:52] ridout (~gm@d173-238-243-212.home4.cgocable.net) left irc: Changing host [17:52] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:52] disown [17:52] Thank you. [17:52] i was going to say kill [17:52] clue-bus missed me again. [17:52] guess i was way wrong [17:53] well it's either bg or fg [17:53] welkom [17:53] didn't really get what you meant [17:53] Action: EthanG sleeps [17:53] i am thinking maybe i should just wipe everything off this system and put a super stripped down slack 13.1 on it, but... i dont wanna [17:54] arfon: the clue-bat will not [17:54] never fear [17:54] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Ha! I'm impervious to clue-bats, I'm too dense for them to affect me. [17:54] m3tti: ever have chartreuse? [17:54] fear is the mind killer [17:54] m3tti: if you like absinth then you might like it [17:54] m3tti: it's very herb-y [17:55] Bechkerovka thats all I have to say [17:55] or however its spelled [17:55] hrm never heard of that one [17:55] have to search that [17:55] Becherovka [17:55] czech republic [17:56] KaMii: drink your milk :P [17:56] becherovka is great [17:56] why trash:/ link in new konqueror works, but home:/ not? [17:56] m3tti: chartreuse is awesome. there are two kinds, yellow and green. [17:56] have tasted that if i was in czech republic with my class [17:56] Action: KaMii only drinks milk if its in coffee [17:56] KaMii: you'll stunt your growth [17:56] good, i dont want to be tall [17:57] pff [17:57] sounds like a story of dan brown XD [17:58] if you read that wiki article XD [17:58] yay just freed up 200 mb [17:59] who knows, how can i see all protocols which konqueror supports, i.e. which url in the form loc_or_protocol:/ [17:59] Reformating doesn't count as 'freeing up" [17:59] haha, i didnt reformat [17:59] i removed some libs [17:59] how can I check to see what libs I need and which ones I can dump? [18:00] Start running apps and see what complains [18:00] or use ldd [18:00] ldd /path/to/bin [18:00] Seriously, you can dump your unrequired libs and start trying to run things [18:00] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-32.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:01] yeah dumping libs is probably easier than finding what provides what without automation [18:01] KaMii: you remind me of my hyperactive nephew [18:01] Action: EthanG relaly sleeps [18:01] It's all of the cofee popl [18:02] well my mind is hyperactive, and ya ok im always moving around also [18:02] i only drink 6 cups a day [18:02] KaMii: once I rolled him up in a blanket so he couldn't move then stuffed him under the coffee table [18:02] then I let the dog in to lick his face [18:02] :D [18:02] Action: popl is an awesome uncle [18:02] i would freak out [18:02] he started it [18:02] It's 5 o'clock somewhere, I'm going home... laters [18:02] bye arfon [18:02] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:12] spectre (~kyle@rrcs-71-42-182-234.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [18:13] spectre (~kyle@rrcs-71-42-182-234.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:18] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [18:22] yes, finally got everything the way it should be [18:23] hrm reading a thread about gentoo [18:23] sounds like quality sucks over there [18:23] the stable system isn't as stable [18:28] larry65 (larry65@d122-105-194-245.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [18:33] oh... theres a 2.6 kernel in extras for slack 11 [18:33] m3tti: gotta love slack :) [18:33] hrm... i just know if I install that, something will break [18:33] surrounder: i love slack too [18:33] KaMii: why do you use slack 11 if I may ask ? [18:33] after switching from one to another distro slack is the one i'm getting to love [18:34] however no deps checking is great ok sometimes it sucks [18:34] but most of the time its great [18:34] because this machine is old and hdd is small and when I installed it i didnt know much about slackware [18:34] same, tried a LOT of distros when I was younger [18:34] but now i search the desktop XD [18:35] xfce kde [18:35] since I work with it 40 hours a week I tend to go for stable distros though [18:35] don't know currently running kde [18:36] m3tti: w/e really, at this moment I run windows 7, at work I use SLED with gnome, dual boot on this machine is slack 13.1 with gsb [18:36] don't really care about the desktop that much [18:37] have a special place in my heart for dwm though, just love the suckless community [18:37] i like kde very much but the gtk apps are so much faster [18:37] m3tti: yeah, I notice that quite a bit on my netbook (my main machine) [18:37] and kde apps are awesome and realy mature [18:38] I'm a Haiku fanboi, think that's the way to go for a nice desktop [18:39] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:39] admire slackware though, more a BSD person but I just love the simplicity in slackware [18:40] cuuuuu (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) joined ##slackware. [18:40] ive heard slackware been called a lot of things, but never simple before [18:40] i am a openbsd fanboy but my wifi card isn't recognized [18:40] it's KISS enough for me to enjoy it [18:40] keep is simple. stupid [18:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:41] oh, ya that type of simple i agree [18:41] and the bsd's were the only distros or better systems that have survived very long on my pcs [18:41] the simple that matters [18:41] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.207.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:42] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: gn8 [18:42] KaMii: i think slackware is very simple [18:42] i've installed it on my parrents laptop [18:42] slack is just what I need [18:42] superbofh (~xumpi@cl-229.lis-01.pt.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] vanilla, pure [18:42] install it configured it and now [18:42] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] they use that system everyday and like that [18:43] maybe i'll take even more of the windows 7 partion until windows 7 is deleted from that laptop XD [18:44] I just want Haiku will support the hardware in my netbook soon [18:44] superbofh (~xumpi@cl-229.lis-01.pt.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] that's the way a desktop OS should be for me [18:44] I'm not a huge linux fan, I just like slackware :P [18:45] i'm a unix fanboy [18:45] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[20:24] w000h00 Im rich, I had double the money I thought I had [20:25] that could be very good.. or it could be very insignifigant :P [20:25] well, Im buying a new computer that costs 6,000 SEK and I just found out that I have 12,000 SEK [20:25] i thought I only had 6,000 [20:25] ok, that IS freaking good! [20:26] and I just bought a new AMD Phenom II x6 [20:26] maybe I should have put more than 8 gigs of ram [20:27] 8 gigs is plenty [20:27] get some Intel X25 SSDs and raid them instead [20:27] cuuuu (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:27] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:27] why ssd in a desktop? [20:27] startup time [20:27] zaythan (~zaythan@ip98-166-81-162.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] raid two or four of those and even OOo starts in snap [20:28] howdy everyone! [20:28] hello zaythan :-) [20:29] lol, naw, I dont want ssd [20:29] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:30] edthix (~ed@175.137.191.49) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:30] i dont think a ssd would be bad for like a root partition or something i just know that as far as a /home or somthing there would be too much writing/deleting [20:31] eduslack (eduslack@200-96-164-176.bsace705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [20:31] too expensive for me, I spend my money on other things [20:31] like smurfs and hello kitty [20:31] hahah [20:34] looks like I will finally go 64 bit once they ship this computer [20:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:35] i have no idea when it will ship though, half the parts were not in stock [20:35] you gonna be a true 64 or go the multilib route? [20:36] multilib [20:36] i need wine [20:36] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:36] KaMii: seriously, disk-io is the main bottleneck of any system [20:37] KaMii: you wont feel how powerfull your Phenom II X6 is if your disks cant keep it fed [20:37] ya, but the price for SSD is just too high [20:38] Compared to what? The performance gains are considerable, so if you are going for speed it is worth the cost [20:39] i figure this computer will last me at least 5 years, given a few years, ssd prices will fall, and I can always upgrade a HDD easy [20:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:40] KaMii: http://www.edbpriser.dk/Product/Details.aspx?pid=636140 [20:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] thats a danish site [20:41] i dont do well with danish [20:41] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:41] ah, sorry, that is a 2.5" [20:41] let me find a good cheep 3.5" and a benchmark of it [20:42] i bought my stuff from www.jmedata.se [20:42] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:42] haha lol.. the 2.5" are cheeper and perform better [20:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:43] weird [20:45] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:45] KaMii: the one i pointed you to has a sustained read speed of ~200MB/s [20:45] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:46] so your advice would be to install root to an ssd and then put everything else on a SATA? [20:46] if my laptop wasnt a PATA i would upgrade instantly [20:46] yes [20:46] If you are looking to do cheap high performance flash, you can look into putting CF into RAID. I know some people pulling 200+ MBps on setups like that. [20:46] hrm... guess i would not really need a very lard SSD for that [20:46] on sata, /home on bit nasty 2x1TB linux mdraid10 [20:47] _eabeaver_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:47] eabeacer_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:47] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:47] my /home would be on a 160 gig [20:48] you went out and bought a Phenom II X6... and intended to stick an old slow ass 160GB disk into it?!? [20:48] dude, you need to learn to spell the word "bottleneck" :P [20:49] like i said, it has room for upgrades [20:49] and im not sure yet on the ssd [20:49] i would have traded the 4 of those 8GB ram for faster disk io without blinkin an eye [20:49] i have yet to hit swap on 2GB ram anyhow [20:50] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [20:51] ddr2? macavity [20:51] obviously, "Eight spanking gigabytes of raaaahm" sounds really good when you talk to your frineds... but seriously.. what would you rather want: a system that sounds good when you present it verbally, or a system that performs good when you show it? [20:51] 2nd one [20:52] well both ;) [20:52] have you seen the prices of SSD drives? [20:52] pupit: yes, have a somewhat outdated laptop: 2GB 667mhz cl3 ram, core2duo T7400 (4MB, 2.16Ghz) and a slow ass 100GB disk that yeilds some 47MB/s on a good day [20:53] KaMii: yes, like 1600SEK for an 80GB [20:53] macavity: hey [20:53] pupit: hey [20:53] more like 2600 [20:53] howdy [20:53] KaMii: what? [20:54] KaMii: order it from Denmark then [20:54] macavity: how you doing? [20:54] i found a 32 gig for 699 [20:54] nyRednek yo [20:54] KaMii: it is 1455DKK [20:54] pupit: howzit? [20:54] which would be like 2600SEK [20:54] lol [20:54] nyRednek, cool slacking as usuall [20:55] pupit: ok... [20:55] KaMii: O_o.. did sweeden go bankrupt since last i visited? last time i was there 90DDK were 100SEK [20:55] well 32 gig for root is more than enough [20:55] *DKK [20:55] sirslacker (~aligp@p4FFF2A7A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:55] Action: nyRednek needs a bigger hd [20:55] every one does :P [20:55] i especially need a *faster* hdd :-/ [20:56] im satisfied with mine, 80gb :) [20:56] macavity: i've got two, one 8gb, one 9gb [20:56] nyRednek, i need more stuff to put on mine. [20:56] but the best thing i can get hold of is a 5400rpm 250GB drive :-/ [20:56] maybe i will just buy that 32 gig ssd [20:56] noone in denmark resels 7200rpm 2.5" pata drives any more :-/ [20:57] KaMii: that would be more than enough space wise.. just make *absolutely* sure you see a benchmark of it [20:57] KaMii: if it is worth the mention, then tomshardware.com has a bench of it [20:57] oh wait, they are all 2,5 inch [20:57] macavity: you got a pata drive to spare? [20:57] nope [20:57] macavity: oh well [20:58] also, shipping it would be prohibitively expencive anyway [20:58] KaMii: no problem.. stick it where the floppy drive was supposed to be :P [20:58] pata?? [20:58] macavity: maybe...i'd suggest using the danish equivalent to "priority mail" which ships flat rate per size [20:59] ki2azy: parallel ata [20:59] ah [20:59] ki2azy: as opposed to serial ata [20:59] nyRednek, can't use an ide can you? [20:59] ki2azy: parallel ata *is* ide [20:59] oh [20:59] nyRednek: had i had one it would have cost me more to ship it than a new disk would cost you [20:59] ki2azy: but it's old ide [20:59] i didn't know that [21:00] nyRednek, i think i got a 20gb hd [21:00] technicaly speaking it is e-ide [21:00] but lets not dwell at the past... [21:00] well, it'll cost you about $10 to ship it my way [21:00] i live in denmark [21:01] macavity: talking to ki2azy [21:01] $10 gets me two big macs [21:01] macavity: he's in arkansas [21:01] ah [21:01] ki2azy: thanks bro, it'd help out [21:01] O i was born in arkansas.... [21:01] nyRednek, i'd have to check to see what one is dead and what one is good [21:01] ki2azy: ok... [21:02] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] nyRednek, when i find a computer i can put it in...lol [21:03] ki2azy: well, whenever it suits yas [21:03] nyRednek, you got a cd-r? [21:03] ki2azy: no, don't have one [21:05] nyRednek, well i send both the hd's and a cd-r......send me a list of folders on the drive and i'll tell you what i want off of it. [21:05] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:05] ki2azy: and i'll find a way to send it back [21:06] im not finding any benchmarks [21:06] or just tgz it and dcc it to me....i don't care [21:06] ki2azy: dcc doesn't work behind time warner modems, iirc [21:06] nyRednek, we can find a way to send files around. [21:07] ki2azy: shouldn't be too hard [21:07] sftp? [21:07] nyRednek, i could start up my ftpd :) [21:07] ki2azy: that you can [21:08] or, just rig the IRC client to always use port 10000 or some other high port [21:08] kldstat (~rajpano@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361447.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:08] fixed ports tend to solve most problems with dcc [21:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:09] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:12] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) joined ##slackware. [21:15] the ones I found read speeds are 195MB/s but write was only 70MB/s [21:15] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] ViN86__ (~blah@TRMITDESK.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:18] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:18] nyRednek, you should of told me this problem of lack of porn space awhile ago. [21:19] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:19] maybe my math is totally wrong (probably is) but it seems that a 7200 RPM drive has about the same read/write speed as an SSD [21:20] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:21] jaminja (~jaminja@74.81.170.4) joined ##slackware. [21:21] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [21:22] if i cat two video files in one, i have one bigger video file, but in that file all i can play is the first video, the second one is not there. However, the resulted file is the same size as the first and second video together. how can i fix this [21:22] and isnt most of the HDD lag at bootup? after that shouldnt most things be in RAM? [21:22] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [21:22] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [21:22] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:23] this doesn't helps me http://www.ffmpeg.org/faq.html#TOC27 [21:23] i mean for core processes [21:24] i mean this: http://www.ffmpeg.org/faq.html#SEC27 [21:25] but let me try it one more time, seems to me i skipped one step.. [21:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Just because you combine files doesn't mean they will work correctly. [21:28] What format is the original? [21:30] Motoko-chan: mp4, but it was a pebkac :) , it states well for those who read that it must be one of the formats:(MPEG-1, MPEG-2 PS, DV) its working now [21:30] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:30] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:30] heh [21:30] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:31] learning every day... [21:31] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Always a good thing. [21:33] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-181-130.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:36] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:42] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-181-130.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] and a 'working' resulted video file is 3x bigger. pupit shall cat no more. [21:45] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:47] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:48] ok, think i found my answers to SSD drives, but even putting /home on a HDD that is going to lag all the files in there, games and all that, so really, it looks like its best to use HDDs as backing/storage for things that dont need all that speed (music, videos, pictures) and put all your apps/games on the SSD [21:48] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Pretty much, yeah [21:49] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [21:49] and games under linux using wine with ssd means I will have to putmyself through symlink hell [21:49] My server uses flash/RAM for the OS and all the working files, and mass storage on HDDs. That is the best balance right now, until SSDs drop to HDD prices. [21:50] pupit, (don't quote me on this) the reason why it does that is cause of the header. does not know about the second file. [21:50] since a lot of games like to use ~/foo as the saved game/user files [21:52] Billtoo (~spot@bas4-unionville55-1176204378.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:53] ki2azy: may be, but i dont think 3 headers at this case make 300mb :) [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FC02.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] well, since i would not beable to put all my games on a SSD because the space isnt there, I dont see the point in having any SSD drives at all [21:54] KaMii: all this talk, and you wont buy SSD drive... [21:54] KaMii: your not likely to see a huge difference if you get a decent RPM hard drive ahyway [21:54] pupit: cat'ing video files together does nothing to generate one video...the video headers/frames define when a video ends [21:54] pupit: it isn't like you're dealing with an au file [21:54] ya, i agree with you gniks [21:55] SSD is great for lots of little reads, but big reads like loading game maps etc& decreases its performance in reality :) [21:55] unless that 6 core processor is really going to be that much faster? [21:56] DB reads for example is where SSD excels [21:56] oh really? ugh... so no matter what you do, you run into lag with small files or large files [21:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:56] pupit, there is an app to merge videos - avimerge or something [21:56] not quite kamii [21:56] 7200rmp hdd sound like a nice middle ground then? [21:56] efsd (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) joined ##slackware. [21:57] goj (~goj@p5488F62B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:57] 7200 is decent, and probably the fastest you will find in desktop grade hard drives [21:57] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:57] it was a while ago :p [21:58] emuroot (~bgates@adsl-69-234-109-68.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:59] dive: got it http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/multimedia/transcode/ [22:00] transcode is another [22:01] oh right it's part of transcode [22:03] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:05] you can get a 10000rpm velociraptor Western Digital [22:06] nice [22:07] but i just dont know if a person would physically beable to notice the difference in speed [22:08] in HDD, RPM is important, generally speaking the faster the RPM the lower the seek time... [22:09] look at the seek times on different hard drives [22:09] zaythan (~zaythan@ip98-166-81-162.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:09] the ones with lower times are better regardless of the RPM [22:09] yea, but from 7200 to 10000 Im not totally convinced you would see a noticable difference [22:09] you would when loading large files [22:09] the faster it moves, the faster you can read contiguous data [22:09] i know you get extra bragging rights to your friends, but.... would you really notice it that much? [22:09] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:10] in the above situation yes [22:10] but wouldnt that only really be seen when transfering a huge datafile? [22:11] reading mainly [22:11] also depends on the fragmentation of your drive [22:11] isnt loading a program mostly calling upon a bunch of differnet smaller files? [22:11] sobrewolf (~diretoria@187.114.173.25) left irc: [22:11] when you have a fragmented disk, random seek times are important, as with smaller contiguous files [22:11] depends on the game [22:12] ok, so that is only generally applicable to games [22:12] in linux, libraries get loaded once [22:12] not just games& but its the best example for a desktop environment [22:13] ya, thats why i was thinking if you put root on an ssd you would probably only see a difference in boot up, and since I only boot my computer once a year, whats the point? [22:13] right [22:13] but [22:13] if you put system libraries on it, the loading of those will be faster to an extent [22:13] probably not measurably so [22:14] but thats different than platter disks [22:14] you will gain performance gains with higher RPM drives [22:14] they help seek times, and in the cases of larger contiguous files, read times [22:14] ok, well from what I have read up on SSD vs HDD i think I will just stick with 7200 rpm 32 mb bufer drives [22:15] yeah [22:15] and those are dirt cheap [22:15] its a very small trade off [22:15] and you have to look at your own environment :p [22:16] ya, i just dont think I would ever see the benefits of sdd anytime soon [22:16] yeah [22:16] especially since I did not put in a huge graphics card [22:16] uhm, i disagree there [22:16] the accesstime on SDDs is measured in ns not in ms [22:16] macavity: does your disagreement have merit in desktop performance? [22:17] for aplication startup time, script execution time etc [22:17] especially scripts run a shit load faster [22:17] once the app is started and loaded into memory you are fine [22:17] thats why I opted to get the 8 gigs of ram [22:18] on most desktops you won't visually see a huge difference [22:18] i figured, I will buy extra ram and forget the SSD [22:18] extra ram will benefit you more than an SSD drive [22:18] in MANY ways [22:18] well macavity said the opposite about an hour ago [22:18] KaMii: the application that you used yesterday wont be in memory today.. all sorts of other files you have used will gradually push out said program [22:19] KaMii: so you will be loading the program from disk anyway [22:19] SSD drives aren't good with lots of random seeks [22:19] ya, but those load breaks are configured into my lifestyle already [22:19] let me find an article to state the oposite [22:19] on tomshardware [22:19] i load a program, go the bathroom, get a drink... etc [22:19] and when I come back its up and running [22:20] so I can really care less about load times [22:20] then by all means, configure your machine as you wish [22:20] DallaRosa (~dalla@y000211.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:20] and that extra 10 seconds... really its not worth the money to me [22:20] macavity: this was coming from benchmark tests performed by the last company ive worked for [22:21] but unless you do heavy 3D modeling i would like to see you use 8GB of ram for anything constrcutive :P [22:21] and was a few years ago, there of course have been advances in the technologies&. but its still not worth the extra price in desktop situations (at least to me) [22:21] hello, whenever I try to "su -" to a user with no home directory (or shell, I'm not sure) it doesn't work [22:21] macavity: i could use 8GB RAM, and i don't do any modeling [22:21] that would be in my every day use [22:21] im using 4GB regularly [22:21] DallaRosa: create the home dir [22:22] I'm trying to turn into the postgresql user [22:22] gniks: the Intel X25 and X35 line can have 25% of the memory banks open at any given time, and bank switching is still faster than track-to-track switch on a platter disk [22:22] and I don't think I want a home directory or a shell for that user [22:22] ah, that user probably isn't allowed to pull up a shell [22:22] how can I do that? [22:22] DallaRosa: you are what? [22:22] check the shell parameter in /etc/passwd for that user [22:23] its probably set to /bin/false [22:23] yeah [22:23] set it to /bin/bash [22:23] but set it back when you're done [22:23] you dn't want people pulling up shells with that user [22:23] but shouldn't that be the appropriate settings for users that shouldn't be playing of login [22:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:23] .... this all sounds wrong to me.. why dont you just fix what needs to be fixed instead? [22:23] yes [22:23] gniks: what do you run that uses up 4 gigs of ram daily? [22:24] firefox mainly, and a VM that is allocated 1GB RAM [22:24] are you one of those 300-tab-firefox guys? [22:24] KaMii: i bet he has 2000 tabs open in firefox and 500 extentions running :P [22:24] macavity: depending on what she is trying to do, that might be a valid fix to her problem [22:24] gniks, for now I'll go with that solution, thanks, but there should be some other way of doing this, shouldn't it? [22:25] macavity: actually, i usually have less than 4 open at any given time [22:25] lmao 2000 tabs open [22:25] firefox is becoming the emacs of the browser world [22:25] DallaRosa: there probably is by being root [22:25] gniks: then you are not *using* 4GB ram.. the kernel just havent dropped its cached files [22:25] gniks, well, I am in fact the system administrator [22:26] macavity: you have no clue what im doing, and im not using linux, or windows, therefore your memory theories do not apply [22:26] so I can be root if I want [22:26] plan 9? [22:26] LMAO no [22:26] aww [22:26] hehe [22:26] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] gniks: i took what you said: VM of 1GB and firefox with max 4 tabs open :P [22:26] DallaRosa: then you would usually do what you need as root, and chown the files if needed so that postgresql can use it [22:26] the problem is databases require non-privileged users to do their operations [22:26] nooper: lol @ 300 tab firefox guys [22:26] macavity: welcome to flash, it is a memory hog [22:27] ^^ agreed [22:27] memory leaks doesnt count :P [22:27] DallaRosa: correct [22:27] soon everyone will 16 gigs of ram just to login to facebook [22:27] macavity: sadly, they count more than you would like ot admit [22:27] I need to run "initdb" as an unprivileged user [22:27] i hate flash [22:27] but I can't su to postgres user [22:27] me too [22:27] sadly locked in [22:27] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] DallaRosa: give me a moment, i had done this long ago for my friend who is using postgresql on my server [22:28] what I want to know is who was the brainchild that decided to put flash on every website? [22:28] I can use your solution (just give a shell for postgres temporarily) but I don't think that is the most elegant solution and there might be one cause this wasn't like this before [22:28] apn (~apn@pool-71-190-25-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: apn [22:29] DallaRosa: does su - postgres give you any errors? [22:29] and are you root currently? [22:29] macavity: do you never sleep also? its like almost 04.30 [22:30] KaMii: i know.. im about to hit the sack [22:30] nope [22:30] just returns me to root prompt [22:30] sun will come up in about 10 minutes, lol [22:30] DallaRosa: be root then su - postgres [22:30] that kind of figures [22:30] that is the problem [22:30] postgres user still has no login shell... [22:30] I know! [22:30] there is something wrong with this approach [22:30] it doesn't need a login shell if you already have an initiated shell [22:31] yes [22:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:31] gniks, yes! [22:31] for su it does [22:31] but for some reason [22:31] it does not [22:31] well just wanted to say thanks for the information and help macavity I learned a lot about ssd drives and hdds [22:31] no it doesn't [22:31] here look [22:31] http://pastebin.com/P4b5GTMD [22:31] you also gniks it was very helpful and informative :) [22:31] i clearly don't have a shell [22:31] KaMii: you're wellcome :-) [22:31] no prob KaMii [22:32] macavity: is demeter still upset with me atm? [22:33] nope [22:33] macavity: good [22:33] http://pastebin.com/nWmKWhsK [22:33] me neither [22:33] but for me it doesn't work [22:33] gniks: strange.. the su manpage says that su - will arange for a normalized environment [22:33] DallaRosa: remove the /bin/false part [22:34] macavity: there has been more f'ed up stuff going on....every time i seem i get a handle on some things, something else happens [22:34] and it used to work till 12.1 or 13 [22:34] nyRednek: yeah.. life's a beech and then you drown :-/ [22:34] ok [22:34] macavity: no kidding [22:34] now I see [22:34] macavity: it doesn't need a shell specified, but it runs the shell command IF specified, which was my point [22:35] roger.. su(1) isnt actually clear on this [22:35] macavity: pm? [22:35] pupit: sure bud :-) [22:35] the old sudo/su tools are a bit dated [22:35] gniks, thanks! I thought that /bin/false just was there the prevent people from logging in but now I see it also prevents su from logging in to [22:35] *too [22:36] Billtoo (~spot@bas4-unionville55-1176204378.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [22:36] yeah [22:36] its a good security measure [22:37] interesting that postgresql doesn't run on my machine with /bin/false specified [22:37] b00jit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:37] how many of you guys are running the seLinux option on your kernel? [22:37] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [22:37] not i [22:38] i thought about turning that on once for fun, but decided I didnt want to mess with all the security stuff [22:39] yeah, it can be a pain [22:39] kldstat (~rajpano@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361447.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:39] even when selinux isn't actually turned on, it can cause issues [22:39] can you even get online with selinux enabled? [22:39] yeah [22:39] if you set it up right :p [22:39] like when you have it in passive mode, it will still complain about some things [22:40] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:40] RHEL enabled selinux by default in targeted mode [22:40] might be fun to put that on an old box onetime just to play around [22:40] so you have to either turn it off, or configure it for network serviecs to work [22:41] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [22:41] uh oh, my swap is almost full [22:41] :p [22:41] its fun to run swapoff -a :p [22:41] and watch it stuff everything back into RAM [22:41] if you have enough RAM to do it [22:42] i dont [22:42] reboot time :p [22:42] hrm... it wasnt firefox [22:42] was it KDE desktop search? [22:42] its a ram hog [22:42] i dont have kde anything [22:42] could be python [22:42] top shoudl tell ya whats doing it [22:43] top then M to get processes sorted by mem [22:43] it was the last thing I enabled [22:43] python unless you are running python apps, won't use memory [22:43] its irssi [22:43] could it be logs? [22:43] ick [22:43] possibly [22:44] depends on how it handles logs [22:44] well, i never set that up [22:44] set what up? [22:44] blah, cron jobs just started [22:44] it has to do with how it was programmed :p [22:44] ah yeah, 4am you said? :p [22:44] i never messed with log settings so they are all default, whatever that is [22:45] still, if irssi keeps the log file open for the time that the app is running, it stuffs the entire file into RAM [22:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:45] I really need to change my cron jobs to run at 08.00 and not 04.40 [22:45] hello all [22:45] otherwise if it just appends to the file each time it needs to write, and keeps a buffer cache and does bulk appends, then it wouldn't stuff the file in ram [22:46] shonudo: hello [22:46] hey gniks [22:46] apn (~apn@pool-71-190-25-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] well right now im using 21 megs of ram and 13 megs of swap [22:46] wow [22:46] thats not a lot :p [22:46] i envy you, KaMii [22:46] you have 24 MB of ram? [22:47] that's not much at all [22:47] lol [22:47] i only have 64 megs of ram and 24 megs of swap on this machine [22:47] lol [22:47] cool [22:47] :D [22:47] heh [22:47] not a lot of any resource :p [22:47] and not a lot of either resource used for todays apps [22:47] enough for irssi and snownews [22:47] I running slack on a vbox and for that I have 991MB of ram [22:47] not much available and none wasted by the look of things [22:47] nice job [22:48] do you have to turn everything off to compile stuff? [22:48] well my HDD isnt large enough to have D set [22:48] can you chat and compile something? 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