[00:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.135.228) joined ##slackware. [00:02] i already got it to work [00:03] i dunno how but i got it and exported it [00:04] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [00:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:11] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:19] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [00:23] how can I find my user id? [00:23] type whoami [00:23] sQuEE (n=narya@host220.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:23] thx [00:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:25] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [00:25] volkerdi (i=3321@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] quiet night on the channel [00:27] yes, very quiet indeed. [00:27] volkerdi: How are you doing? [00:27] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [00:27] ok, I guess [00:28] okay... so I just stuck the latest slackware-current (with the new X server) on... and now, when I try to install ati, it fails because it can't detect the X version... [00:28] what do I do from here [00:28] heh [00:28] fglrx? [00:28] yes [00:28] it is far too quiet tonight, I guess that means slack is good and stable right now ;) [00:28] nobody here must be using Intel video chipsets [00:29] hehe [00:29] nv4Phil: I've run into that before when the ATI drivers didn't know about the version of xorg-server on the system [00:29] I prefer reliable video, no intel for me [00:29] volkerdi: how did you get around it? [00:30] I installed grub from extras for 12.2 and if I pass vga=73B to kernel my frame buffer goes like 10 lines below my screen but if a do a vga=ask and select 73B from list all is well...what's up with that? [00:30] Bug ATI. [00:30] nv4Phil: usually ATI will catch up. funny, last time it happened I was using a pre-release xorg-server, but -current has a considered stable xorg-server [00:30] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:30] That's about it. I had to wait until they caught up. [00:31] If I'm going to use a blob, my money goes to nVidia. I always had fewer problems with those on any OS. [00:31] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 ahhh..the life [00:31] that stinks... that means running in 1024x768 until then.... [00:31] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [00:31] nv4Phil: will the xorg 'ati' driver not work for you?? [00:31] I heard there's supposed to be better open source ATI support now. [00:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] rworkman: I was unaware that it existed [00:32] I don't know -- my newest ATI is a Radeon 9600, which doesn't require fglrx [00:32] (which is pretty old) [00:32] Action: chopp high fives rworkman, and volkerdi [00:32] nv4Phil: the 'ati' or 'radeonhd' drivers should be reasonably good [00:32] this is a xpress 200 [00:33] ok.. I could try that and see what i come up with [00:33] nv4Phil: run "X -configure" as root from a console; then "mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and try that. [00:34] xorg-video-ati is supposed to support that card, including 3D support. [00:34] ok. time to give this a whirl then. tomorrow I may consider tackling the issue with my fans not working in since slackware 12.2 [00:35] nv4Phil: modprobe fan [00:35] and also man fancontrol [00:36] would it seriously be that simple? I had several users helping me for two days, in here, last time I tried to tackle it [00:36] eight hours the first day [00:36] You weren't getting two part harmony from volkerdi and rworkman [00:36] hehe [00:36] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Slackware support sucks. [00:37] that should happen more often :P [00:37] rworkman: that is a dirty lie [00:37] iclebyte (n=jamie@82.112.155.22) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:37] rworkman support sucks [00:37] mfillpot: your sarcasm detector is broken. [00:37] haha [00:37] panzer: I have root on your firewall, remember? :) [00:37] rworkman: aren't you an old member ? [00:37] he don't visit lug enough [00:37] init[1]: huh? [00:37] old member [00:37] I knew it was sarcasm, but wanted to be heard [00:38] what?? rworkman ??? He's a nobody! *grins* [00:38] Old member? Like the ones that require lemons to work properly? [00:38] brb gonna give "ati" and "radeonhd" a shot. [00:38] something like that, I think [00:38] lemonparty woohoo [00:38] panzer: I'm going to try to make it up there in July [00:39] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] rworkman: it seems i have seen good amount of slackbuilds from you [00:39] init[1]: yeah, I've done a couple or three. [00:39] rworkman: confused about your name thou :P [00:40] good [00:40] init[1]: you clueless sob [00:40] can anyone here help me with a kernel problem? [00:40] forgive him, he hasn't received the memo yet [00:40] yeah right :P [00:41] Hey slackmagic, how's it going? [00:41] slackmagic: what memo [00:41] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [00:41] ok ... the "ati" driver works fine [00:41] init[1]: the one you didn't get. :P [00:41] thanks for that tip [00:41] nv4Phil: good :) [00:41] not much, I heard we had some rookies in the channel, so I am all ears! [00:41] :-) [00:41] Action: slackmagic points at volkerdi and rworkman ! Rookies!! [00:41] Action: volkerdi doesn't know what to do with the kernel [00:42] volkerdi: if you need kernel help, I'm kernel saunders [00:42] firebird619: i mean what is that memo about ? 0_o [00:42] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] I have an issue with a SCSI driver [00:42] volkerdi: stupid question, sorry... are you Volkerding? [00:42] nv4Phil: yeah [00:42] ow yeah, I used to go by lostnhell, I changed my name so that if any of my slackbuilds are accepted people can easily find me in IRC. [00:42] volkerdi: need help with kernel? http://xkcd.com/293/ here ya go! :) [00:43] I'm sure I've seen any 2xx xkcd, but thanks! [00:43] chopp: that was inappropriate use of SOB ! [00:44] volkerdi: ok. It's an honor to make your acquaintance, sir. I must say, out of all the different distro's of linux I've tried (and been frustrated by), I've enjoyed slackware the most, even though it can be equally frustrating... I grew up on Microsoft, and have only been in linux on and off about 10 years, with very little time to tinker [00:44] init[1]: well you've been running slackware long enough, you really should recognize a celebrity when you see one [00:45] chopp: agreed , does that mean you should call me SOB :( [00:45] nv4Phil: heh... well, good hello :-) [00:45] chopp: i'm not for flame war , leave the matter [00:46] init[1]: whatever, get over it and enjoy the night [00:46] nv4Phil: he doesn't really wanna hear any of that stuff, trust me, just send him some cash for some beer and it'll have the same effect on him [00:46] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:46] Anyone ever use the dpt_i2o or aic94xx SCSI drivers? [00:46] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [00:46] chopp: btw its morning here :P [00:47] slackmagic: I'm not trying to pick up a date... I don't swing that direction. [00:47] nv4Phil: did you sign up for the free Slackware fan club yet? Where did I put that URL again... [00:47] volkerdi's question is serious, folks. Here's your chance to have some say in how Slackware's kernel is configured? [00:48] sorry, I haven't played with any SCSI drives [00:48] Action: rworkman prepares to kick volkerdi ;-) [00:48] I have, but not the Adaptec 94xx stuff. [00:48] volkerdi: didn't know there was such a thing... I suppose I should ask Mr. Google [00:49] All I can say for sure is that if you build a kernel that includes both dpt_i2o and aic94xx, it blows up at boot on many machines without the hardware. Not all, but a good number of them. [00:49] volkerdi: are you testing on a 2.6.30 kernel? [00:50] dpt_i2o is the older one. I don't think it's maintained, and may not support newer hardware. It was, when it worked, suppossed to possibly have better stability and performance than the newer aic94xx driver. [00:50] Ooh, and for those of you planning to build a "generic" 2.6.30 kernel on slackware64, you'll want to read this: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/initramfs-unpacking-failed-junk-in-compressed-archive/ [00:51] mfillpot: Right now I'm running 2.6.29.4 on most machines, compiling 2.6.29.5 kernels on the cluster, and playing with 2.6.30 on the laptop (but only for fun, the regression list on that is quite long) [00:51] So back to my little story. [00:52] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:52] It's been a while since I last tried to get my fans to cooperate... I was using gkrellm last, I think. I had tried everything else [00:52] will ext4 be the default FS in slackware installer ? [00:52] We ended up switching to the newer aic94xx driver in the huge kernels, it didn't fall over at boot on any machines. Now I find out it's useless without firmware from the adaptec site, and the firmware isn't free. [00:52] Thom1: Isn't it now? [00:52] wow. ext4 is not really stable yet is it? [00:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:53] cmk_zzz: I've not had any problems with ext4 [00:53] Action: volkerdi checks [00:53] iclebyte (n=jamie@82.112.155.22) joined ##slackware. [00:53] volkerdi, I don't know, I haven't use slackware-current [00:53] ext4 is running well for me [00:53] ah good stuff. I guess I should keep meself more updated [00:54] Yeah, ext4 is the default if it's in the kernel, otherwise ext3 is the fallback default. [00:54] ok ok [00:54] Action: rworkman hasn't had any issues iwth ext4 [00:55] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:55] I trust slackware so I will install slackware-13.0 on a ext4 partition :) [00:56] Now sure what to do about support for aic94xx. I guess I could stick the aic94xx module on the installer. Then it would be possible to find the firmware yourself, put it in /lib/firmware, load the aic94xx module, proceed with the install, then rig an appropriate initramfs to load the firmware at boot time. That's pretty user friendly, huh? [00:56] Not, I mean [00:56] I thought there was a chance for data-loss in ext4, but perhaps that has been corrected [00:56] cmk_zzz: I think there's a chance for data lost with any filesystem. [00:57] As long as it's documented in C&H I wouldn't bother me [00:57] I/it [00:58] Ted's pretty careful. I don't think I've ever lost data due to a filesystem problem with any ext*, and given how long it took for ext4 to be taken out of ext4dev status, I bet it's pretty safe. [00:58] volkerdi: yes of course there is. If I remember correctly ext4 clears out the entire file before flushing it to disk. If you have a crash when this happens the entire file is gone. Compared to ext3 where you would either have the old or the new copy [00:58] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] 2.6.30 and 2.6.29.5 do have a lot of ext4 fixes in them [00:58] but then again, I am not exactly famous for keeping myself updated [00:58] They all look like rare cases to me [00:59] good to know [01:00] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) joined ##slackware. [01:01] 2.6.30 is already at git10, I doubt it will be long until 2.6.30.1 is posted up. The fixes list is gigantic already for just a .1 [01:02] Yeah. [01:02] yeah maybe then I finally won't have to be running an linux-wireless version :P [01:02] volkerdi: looking at alienBOB's site about the 15M memory limitation, *will* large-memory be auto-added by liloconfig? [01:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] SiegeX: That has not been decided. We don't know for sure that it doesn't have side effects. [01:03] alright boys... I've got to go work in 8 hours (in other words, play "hardware techie" on a fleet of montavista linux machines that they refuse to allow us console, telnet, ftp, or ssh access to) [01:03] nv4Phil: have fun [01:04] I shall.... talk to you guys later on. [01:04] nv4PhilI recommend to start using cdrom trays as coffee cup holders then. [01:05] agentc0re: they don't have cd trays, or any form of external media for that matter, outside of an IDE DOM it uses for its "hard disk" [01:05] volkerdi: perhaps only as an option in the 'expert' config with a side note of unknown side effects [01:05] RUPP (n=Miranda@c-24-131-125-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] antiwire: Hey, did you hear about the prob they are going to crash into the moon and you'll be able to see it through a regular telescope here on earth? [01:05] SiegeX: I'm using it here; words can't express the feeling of hopelessness I had prior to accidentally stumbling across that. [01:05] I posted a little non fatal glitch that I noticed with -current and using a 2.6.30 kernel in the context of LUKS. I know rworkman and alienBOB saw it but I don't know if anyone had a chance to investigate it any further or reproduce it even. [01:06] I have some notes on it that I'm trying to find. [01:06] antiwire: fix is in the queue. [01:06] rworkman: awesome thanks [01:06] antiwire: it's a two part fix. One is the cryptsetup changes, and two is a mkinitrd fix. [01:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [01:07] rworkman: Excellent. Thank you guys for checking it out. [01:07] Thanks for the report; I probably would have stumbled across it eventually, as I'm also using fully encrypted LUKS/LVM, but I guess I just ignore the screen until I get a passphrase prompt [01:08] (unless I *don't* get a prompt, as was the case with the lilo thing) [01:08] rworkman: I here ya, nothing worse than not getting past the bootloader. [01:08] rworkman: There was some other LVM/LUKS issue that's not quite in the queue. Me, alienBOB and MarkPost were looking at it earlier. [01:10] SiegeX: it was booting the kernel, but the kernel was panic'ing, because the initrd image was completely overwritten, so the kernel couldn't find it [01:10] volkerdi: hrm, I missed that : [01:10] Oh, I remember. [01:10] Yeah, it's a patch to the mkinitrd init. [01:10] Different? Same? [01:10] heh the newest attack vector, inirtd buffer overflow into the kernel [01:11] volkerdi: different [01:11] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [01:11] Mine is to handle antiwire's issue [01:11] the udevsettle changes [01:11] It was all coming back. [01:12] The other one is a problem that's possible if you're using the /dev/mapper/vg-lv name rather than the /dev/vg/lv name. [01:13] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-74-69-172-241.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:13] Yeah, some sort of possible conflict if the vg-lv name is the same as the lv name iirc [01:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Well, the problem is if I make my luks lv named /dev/volgroup/crypted, the luks device ends up being /dev/mapper/crypted, and all is well. [01:15] But if I use /dev/mapper/volgroup-crypted directly, it's going to take the basename (volgroup-crypted), and try to append that to /dev/mapper, creating the exact same name. Collision. Boom. [01:16] ah, that makes sense. I'm glad you were able to pull that from the mail, because I wasn't :) [01:17] Question for the channel: who all has a KVM switch that you use? [01:17] Action: eviljames <- [01:17] Maybe the CRYPTDEV should always be set to /dev/mapper/$(basename $ROOTDEV)-luks and not just when /dev/mapper/vg is used? [01:17] rworkman: testing psmouse? [01:17] volkerdi: yes :) [01:18] eviljames: have you perchance tried letting psmouse load with the kernel defaults (comment out the /etc/modprobe.d/psmosue entry) and see if the mouse still works after changing machines? [01:19] well, mine worked without any hiccoughs. I can't say I've used that specific setup offhand, though [01:19] My KVM's mouse port is *dead* so I have a wireless mouse in each machine; I can't test this :/ [01:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "brb" [01:20] eviljames: right, it should work because of what /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse does. I have an agenda though -- I'd like to kill that file and let the psmouse module use the kernel default (proto=any instead of proto=imps) so that synaptics touchpads will work out of the box [01:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [01:21] chopp (i=1000@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "localhost" [01:21] eviljames: what I'm interested in is whether we still need to do that [01:21] well, if that's the default in 12.2 it worked well with the kvm I used. [01:21] chopp (i=1000@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:21] it worked well with a kvm and synergy, too. [01:21] eviljames: The default is still KVM friendly in -current... for now [01:21] it may be the time to ask for a little note in the changelog : most people probably don't know input in X is going to "depend" on hal now, I had that disabled because I didn't mind automount and SysRq+R really saved me :) [01:22] volkerdi: but the intel driver is unfriendly in -current :D [01:22] Camarade_Tux: on my TODO [01:22] eviljames: orly [01:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:22] rworkman, thanks :) [01:22] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] that's what I'm choosing to blame at the moment, I have a ui lockup - almost total but the mouse cursor still moves [01:22] eviljames, works for me on an eeepc :) [01:23] and ssh to the machine can kill xorg, but it never comes back. [01:23] eviljames: have you tried the latest beta intel driver? [01:23] Camarade_Tux: still working out how to word all of that; might be a while, because I also want to see some more feedback from users. I like to have a good idea of what problems and such are encountered [01:23] volkerdi: alienBOB pointed them out to me earlier today, I've downloaded but haven't compiled yet. perhaps this weekend. [01:24] eviljames: packages at http://slackware.com:/~volkerdi/private/intel/ [01:24] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xf86-video-intel-2.7.99.901-x86_64-1_rlw.txz [01:24] er, late [01:24] rworkman, yeah, that's the best way to avoid unnecessary work, I'll see if I have time to install slackware-current here this week-end :) [01:24] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [01:25] rworkman: thanks, I'll be testing sooner than exepected. [01:25] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] For me, 2.7.99.901 works better than 2.7.1, but the older X was better yet. I do not think we had a choice about upgrading X for 13.0 though. There are a whole lot of chipsets the X in 12.2 doesn't support. [01:25] eviljames: use the links from volkerdi instead [01:26] (mine just disappeared) :) [01:26] eviljames: especially if your machine is not x86_64 [01:26] hehe [01:26] well, mine is x86_64, and I already downloaded that package, so it'll get tested. [01:26] k [01:26] heading to volkerdi's links as well, though. [01:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:27] I'm sure they are functionally the same. rworkman had dri2 working in his, too [01:27] how is this 2.7.99 supposed to be better ? I might try it on the eeepc [01:27] You might also consider getting the 2.6.2 RC xorg-server (2.6.1.901); it's a bit more stable on my hardware (but that may be a crapshoot for other hardware) [01:27] Camarade_Tux: It uses dri2 and UXA by default, and all the other accel methods have been taken out [01:27] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] What do you guys think about ext3->ext4 live migrations vs. restoring a full filesystem backup to a cleanly formatted ext4 partition? [01:28] rworkman: I didn't notice any difference with the prerelease xorg-server, but I guess I didn't use it for long. [01:28] will all the extents stuff be enabled on the live migration method? [01:28] antiwire: I'm leaving my ext3 partitions ext3. [01:29] volkerdi: only difference here is resume-from-suspend is reliable with the prerelease. That's a showstopper for me if it doesn't work [01:29] got it. [01:29] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-173-1.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:29] rworkman: ah [01:29] Is that broken? What did you get me into here, rworkman? [01:29] a mess. [01:30] A big hairy mess. [01:30] We can't ship 2.6.1.901, it will be permanently ignored by ATI. [01:30] volkerdi, ok, thanks, might be hard to test since I haven't noticed any performance problem on that computer [01:30] We could do like and call it 2.6.2. ;-) [01:31] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:31] rworkman: You mean like xorg-x11-server-1.6.1.901-1.fc11? [01:32] I meant 1.x.x.xxx, right? :-) [01:32] Action: rworkman whistles [01:32] I'm not waiting for xorg-server 2.6.2. [01:32] Yeah, I guess it will be a while. [01:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:33] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [01:35] maybe that slackbuilds could patch the ati driver to make is usable on 1.6.1 [01:35] s/is/it/ [01:35] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:35] (oh, misread the *2*.6.2 ;) ) [01:36] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Hey Camarade_Tux, how's it going? [01:37] Camarade_Tux: Patch fglrx? I'm sure that would be a big fat license violation. We could make the xorg-server lie and say it's a supported version. That's allowable under the free license, but pure evil [01:37] I think people would flip out and that's not the type of /. post you guys really want. [01:37] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.85.164) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Camarade_Tux: Hey i know a patch that might work your ATI problems.. Hold on let me find the link. [01:38] antiwire: probably [01:38] Camarade_Tux: http://nvidia.com [01:38] haha [01:38] :D [01:38] volkerdi, even redistributing only the patch and not any bins or patched sources ? [01:38] I forgot to suggest nv 4 phil [01:38] agentc0re, lsmod |grep nvidia \n nvidia 10256664 28 [01:39] hey firebird619, connection problems ? ;p [01:39] Action: rworkman finds it difficult to care too much about binary-only drivers. [01:39] rworkman: yeah, the open ones give us enough problems [01:39] Amen. [01:39] Action: Camarade_Tux wants to migrate to xorg-server-1.6 to get rid of his binary-only driver [01:39] I just take my NVIDIA*.sh vitamins and don't ask questions. [01:39] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Camarade_Tux: Working on a fresh irssi config and it wouldn't connect at first, thankfully it was just an extra }; :P [01:40] rworkman: haha, why should you? It's not your problem and it would like being vegan. Ya you're trying to make the world a better place but you're never going to solve anything by doing it. [01:40] *cough*vagry*cough* [01:40] firebird619, oh, ok :) [01:40] Camarade_Tux: My connection has been working great the past couple days now (hopefully it continues). [01:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.135.228) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:41] nvidia 7227420 34 [01:41] oops [01:41] haha! [01:42] Action: rworkman made a mistake way back when by building a package with the nvidia driver installed. [01:43] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@CPE-138-217-140-232.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:43] Many bug reports later... :) [01:43] Yeah, it's not on any dev boxes. [01:43] firefox doesn't need to be upgrade in stable slackwares ? [01:43] my computer has frozen a few times in the last couple of weeks. Is there a log that i can review to get more info on what's causing this? [01:43] Hello btw :p [01:43] Thom1: .11 is in 12.2, -current, and -64-current now [01:43] Thom1: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/ChangeLog.txt [01:44] me__: define "frozen" [01:44] volkerdi, good [01:44] me__: Intel video? :-D [01:44] rworkman, I didn't look at this server [01:45] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-174.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] by frozen i mean that nothing responds. All i can do is hit the power button on the computer which can't be good [01:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] me__: Are you able to try sshing into it? [01:46] RUPP (n=Miranda@c-24-131-125-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:47] antiwire: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/1556254/NASA-To-Trigger-Massive-Explosion-On-the-Moon-In-Search-of-Ice?from=rss [01:47] I haven't tried. It's not a production server or anything. Just a personal computer. I just thought maybe the system creates a log of ongoing events or something [01:47] yht|pulang (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:48] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:48] I have a machine that appears to freeze, but it's only X falling over and taking the screen, mouse, and keyboard with it. If I ssh in and run "startx", X comes up. Then I can ctrl-c, and control returns to the console there. [01:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] agentc0re: I must buy a telescope ASAP [01:48] /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have something. Or even /var/log/messages. [01:48] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [01:48] me__, magic sysrq key not working ? [01:48] antiwire: No shit eh? That is going to be one awesome site to see first hand. [01:48] heck yeah [01:49] Look out moon, America's gonna get you [01:49] Gonna go kaboom, was nice to have metcha [01:49] antiwire: Could you imaging being on the interstellar space station at that time? You know everyone aboard will suit up and watch it from outside in space. [01:49] antiwire: They better have flip video cams at a bare minimum. [01:49] if I want to ssh on my server from a rxvt-unicode terminal, should my slackware server have rxvt (or rxvt-unicode) to be installed (for terminfo) ? [01:50] watch, the moon is hollow and it's going to pop. [01:50] haha... someone posted that same thing on the /. story [01:50] hahah [01:50] haha [01:50] magic sysrq key? i have no idea what that is. perhaps it is just X taking my keyboard/mouse down but sometimes the led's on my keyboard start flashing when the freeze occurs [01:51] volkerdi: Which part? camera's or the moon popping? [01:51] me__: that's a kernel panic [01:51] http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/1c81d0df12/mr-show-america-blows-up-the-moon-from-thaffner [01:51] you see, when we at Lockheed get our units wrong or install an accelerometer backwards causing a sat/probe to inpact the surface of a planet (or moon), it's not a bug, it's a feature! [01:51] oh dear [01:51] yeah, not completely late for school today :) [01:51] and note to self : no more clean underwear today, time to wash everything -_- [01:52] Camarade_Tux: just throw them away and buy more. [01:52] ;-) [01:52] brb, math exam :) [01:52] rworkman, hey, I'm not a girly ! ;p [01:52] We've actually done that with my daughter's socks :/ [01:52] throw underwear at the wall. If it doesn't stick it's good for another day [01:52] and I'd rather spend money on beer :D [01:52] two words: astronaut diapers [01:52] me__, guess that works, ... seems good for today :) [01:53] thanks for the knowledge rworkman btw [01:53] Oh, hey, is volkerdi! [01:53] Thom1: the easiest solution is to do that probably. I think you can just grab the terminfo file and put it on the remote box though [01:53] it's [01:53] antiwire: On that zuke's page i gave you he has a really cool series about the moon and how we got it and why we have it. I like that one a lot! [01:53] me__: if you're getting a kernel panic while the box is running, then I'd suggest checking your fans and other hardware first. [01:54] Ah...... [01:54] I used to have that same thing happen with the flashing LEDs and a total lockup here. [01:54] Camarade_Tux: We all know that day; the day you are *forced* to wear that pair of underwear that you always leave until the last day of clean laundry because you hate them. [01:54] I was using an rt63 and it would happen under heavy network load. [01:55] antiwire: the pair that squeezes the pair? [01:55] hahaha [01:55] ya it is a very old machine. i had a NIC blow up a few months back [01:55] I got rid of that, and the problem quit. So, it could be a driver issue. [01:55] Yeah, same here with an old e100 card. [01:55] me__: started happening since a new NIC went in then? [01:56] no it was ok until recently [01:56] What kind of NIC? [01:56] What else has changed recently? [01:56] Realtek [01:56] gak [01:57] uhhhhh [01:57] ? [01:57] firebird619: so how did that irssi config work out? [01:57] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.6) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] Paperweights are notoriously unreliable for packet flow. [01:57] 8139too? [01:57] chopp: so far so good. just making adjustments to the windows, etc. wanna pm me for a test? [01:57] realtek = worse than an Etherlink II [01:58] 8139 yes. how did you know? [01:58] 8139D [01:58] me__: I'd suggest picking up even a Linksys LNE100 for $20 (tulip driver). [01:58] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.218.37) joined ##slackware. [01:58] me__: Because I've BEEN THERE [01:58] hah [01:59] Action: Motoko-chan has an original DEC Tulip card [01:59] my last NIC was a us robotics which worked well until it started dropping packets like crazy [01:59] Motoko-chan: Yeah, at least one of mine has that DIGITAL logo, too [01:59] Mine is an actual DIGITAL *board* [01:59] Pulled from an AlphaServer 3000. [01:59] Mine too. [01:59] but surely a shitty NIC wouldn't cause this kernel panic would it? [02:00] me__: yes [02:00] me__: yes [02:00] They work great. [02:00] my word [02:00] me__, it very well could. [02:00] Misbehaving hardware will cause all sorts of weird shit. [02:00] Heck, you could probably get a 3c905 for free. Even that is better hardware. [02:00] Once you mentioned the flashing LEDs the pieces fell into place. [02:00] `dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [02:01] I used a realtek once .. and it gave me so much problems that I vowed to stay away from them. [02:01] bp++ [02:01] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Success [02:01] Not a big fan of those realtek chipsets either. [02:01] i only bought this to test if the old NIC was bad or maybe the port on the mobo had died [02:02] They are okay if you have no other choice and no ISA slots for anything. [02:02] just kept it after [02:02] BP{k}: http://www.byo.com/stories/recipes/recipeindex (or from any other site you can find) pick my new beer i should brew :D [02:02] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.85.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:02] well i guess i'll be purchasing a decent NIC later today [02:03] If you are nearby, I have some 3c509 cards you can have. [02:03] me__: where in the UK are you? [02:04] Well, I think it's time for me to call it a night. Later, all [02:04] rworkman: good night [02:04] rworkman: nighters. [02:04] Action: rworkman & [02:04] fg [02:04] I should probably get back to compiling kernels. [02:04] Damn you. [02:04] hehehe [02:05] :) [02:05] Really afk now :) [02:05] kill %1 [02:05] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) left ##slackware. [02:05] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] BP{k}, i'm in kent. How did you know that i was in the UK? [02:05] :D [02:05] wb [02:06] agentc0re: hmm that depends much on your own taste. Although I see they have a hobgoblin Ale clone (http://tinyurl.com/lhzt4h) .. I am (as you may know, a fan of Wychwoods Hobgoblin) [02:06] kill -9 %1 [02:06] me__: I know NTL is a UK ISP. [02:06] lot of people here live in america ? [02:06] you're a sleuth [02:06] me__: hmm guess that driving up to manchester for a notwerk card is a bit too far ;) [02:06] or canada [02:06] me__: psst...your hostmask is showing :o [02:07] user3272 (n=skfhsk@ppp-69-223-76-57.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] me__: not really, a simple whois was all that is needed. [02:07] hehe yes only like a 8 hour drive [02:07] on a good day ;) [02:07] or this GeoIP Country Edition: GB, United Kingdom [02:09] BP{k}: I'd crush some good 2 row British pale malt and forget the extract. [02:10] agentc0re: You you should :-) [02:10] *OR* scuse me [02:11] agentc0re: Done any all grain brewing? [02:11] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Well, gotta run. Have fun, folks. :-) [02:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:17] bye [02:17] bye volkerdi, take care. [02:17] seeya [02:17] volkerdi (i=3321@slackware.com) left ##slackware. [02:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "brb" [02:22] I am offski as well. laters [02:22] Action: BP{k} C-a C-d. [02:23] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0c750507393c3eb0) joined ##slackware. [02:23] later BP{k}, take care. [02:23] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:24] rainy dirty morning. wtf. [02:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.6) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [02:26] OH MAN [02:26] I completely missed volkerdi [02:26] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:27] y0 slackytude [02:27] -_- [02:27] hey firebird619 [02:27] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:27] morn [02:27] ing [02:27] y0 firebird619, still alive I see [02:28] slackytude: indeed. [02:28] hey redtricycle [02:28] redtricycle, the channel is logged. i missed him too, reading on :) [02:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:34] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Greetings [02:34] and morning [02:34] morning The-Croupier [02:35] slackytude, hows it going today ? [02:35] firebird619, where would I get opera with the new stuff? I seem to only get 10 beta 1 without the goodies [02:35] The-Croupier, quite good, how about you? [02:35] slackytude, trying to make a batch file? [02:35] :( [02:35] The-Croupier, me? nah! [02:36] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [02:36] slackytude, ? was my mistake... [02:36] firebird619, nvm, got it [02:36] in my keyboard . and ? are next to eachother :( [02:39] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:39] The-Croupier, oh, you have to make a batch file? [02:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.6) left irc: "Leaving" [02:39] The-Croupier, that sucks [02:40] slackytude, lol [02:40] i dont HAVE TO, i want to.. everytime i come to work, i start iexplore (cos any opensource is not allowed), and then outlook [02:40] im tired of doing that all the time [02:41] i cannot figure out how to make it go in a specific url when starting though [02:41] ye gods! [02:41] get a decent job [02:42] slackytude, lol [02:42] tell me about it. [02:43] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-174.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:43] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:43] The-Croupier, free software not allowed? O_o [02:44] slackytude, on a windows channel : [09:42] I can't browse Microsoft.com [09:42] that is not necessarily bad [02:44] The-Croupier, :-) [02:44] slava_dp, boss is afraid of using linux...cos he has no other guy that knows about it ;) [02:45] slava_dp, some smtp problems the other day... i told them to check with my laptop... maybe just put iftop and see who is sending so much stuff and he goes "nooooo not your laptop" [02:45] The-Croupier, but i mean, you can not even install firefox? or any decent e-mail software? [02:46] slava_dp, nothing apart from ie,outlook,avg,zonealarm [02:46] slava_dp, you get my frustration now [02:47] zonealarm...omg [02:47] The-Croupier, that's mad. hethinks ms products are more secure or what? [02:47] sometimes im so bored i use a live cd to just remember stuff [02:47] slava_dp, no, its just that the previous technician...kindof messed around with his head [02:47] technician was a windows guy [02:47] we used to fight every day [02:48] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: [02:48] now, he is off the technical matters, and im called to clean up the mess...(but his way, all windows) :( [02:48] The-Croupier's boss needs a new head. anyone has a linux-minded one in stock? [02:48] slava_dp, what do you mean? [02:49] The-Croupier, just kidding. [02:50] yeah, i got that part...;) i didnt understand it though ;) [02:51] The-Croupier, you really should start methodically introducing free software into your network. show him some reviews/tests of the security of FF against iexplore for example. [02:51] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [02:51] IceW (n=old-time@201-1-81-34.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:51] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:53] sup gangsters [02:54] The-Croupier, heh, you be on #windows too? [02:54] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [02:55] The-Croupier, I have a windows-only dude here as well [02:55] The-Croupier, we fight as well ^-^ [02:55] slackytude: get opera downloaded? Also not that isn't a beta2 release yet, so there's much more to come. [02:55] Thats the main reason I use compiz, just to piss him off [02:55] firebird619, yeah, got it [02:55] firebird619, just playing around [02:55] sweet [02:58] firebird619, just glad im home [02:59] slackytude: Also, this new snapshot adds an option (set in opera:config) to hide the menu bar and make a button for it on the left side of the tab bar and available by pressing alt. [02:59] nix_chix0r: home sweet home. D [02:59] :D [03:00] heh [03:00] sometimes you gota walk away so you dont shake a baby [03:00] shaken babies are never good [03:00] :O [03:00] i need a vacation [03:00] firebird619, hrm [03:00] real bad [03:00] nix_chix0r, y0, me as well [03:00] Action: firebird619 gives nix_chix0r a vacation. [03:00] firebird619, where? [03:01] anywhere she wants. :) [03:01] to the moon [03:01] Action: firebird619 hands slackytude a vacation to anywhere. [03:01] heh [03:01] yeah \o/ [03:01] Even after running xorgsetup, CHROME reports "No matching modes". [03:01] Action: slackytude is off to fidji [03:01] firebird619, a vaction with out a child and a husband=) [03:01] firebird619, but I meant where in about:config [03:02] Action: firebird619 gives nix_chix0r a ride to NASA, from there, you're on your own. :P [03:02] ha [03:02] i wouldn't mind going to florida and escaping for a week [03:02] reset my cmos battery [03:02] slackytude: Oh, sorry. opera:config (search box type: menu) uncheck "Show Menu" [03:02] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [03:03] nix_chix0r: Do you lose/gain time too? Maybe you need a complete cmos battery replacement. :P [03:03] slackytude, damn crappy windows admins, (some of them are good) 95% ive seen so far are crappy [03:03] i do....i can never remember always go back to factory settings april 20th, 1973 [03:03] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [03:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.94) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Action: firebird619 hands nix_chix0r a new battery, for you, it is free. :) [03:04] The-Croupier, yeah, most of the ones I know are clueless monkeys. trained to press some buttons [03:04] oh boy [03:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:04] The-Croupier, the dudes in #windows-server are kinda alrite, tho [03:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.218.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] The-Croupier, but they be in minority [03:05] firebird619, hrm [03:05] firebird619, unusual but I might get used to it [03:05] hey, i was installing an application,which uses install.php script , when i try to run this script from browser it displays the code than processing it! [03:05] whoa whoa [03:06] init[1], php not enabled on webserver [03:06] y0 antiwire [03:06] slackytude: yeah, unusually, but interesting. [03:06] if it's an install script written in php you don't run it through as browser [03:06] err...unusual [03:06] as/a [03:06] i'm sure php is setup properly as phpinfo() returned appropriate content [03:06] antiwire, some do that, joomla for once [03:06] init[1]: what is it exactly? is it an install script for a system tool? [03:06] or some blog stuff? [03:07] its an install script for ajax_im [03:07] ok [03:07] then you're doing it right. [03:07] the INSTALL file says i should run it [03:07] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [03:07] but no idea why it's not processing it [03:08] init[1], it starts with antiwire: got it [03:08] slackytude: yea i got it [03:08] thos its a strange problem [03:08] my hostname is smthing different [03:09] i gave localhost [03:09] on browser [03:09] when i gave my HOSTNAME its working [03:09] I was briefly confused because it is possible that some insane individual used php to write an installer for a system tool. [03:09] its really strange isn't it ? [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] it doesnt work for localhost? [03:10] antiwire: ooh [03:10] slackytude: no [03:10] eh [03:10] is localhost in /etc/host [03:10] only with my host name it work [03:10] let me check [03:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:11] what does your httpd.conf have setup as the server name and address? [03:11] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.162.215) joined ##slackware. [03:11] 127.0.0.1 localhost [03:11] 127.0.0.1 blackhole.net blackhole [03:12] antiwire: checking it [03:12] anybody got a nice helpdesk / support ticket system? like bugzilla but without the suck [03:13] IceW (n=old-time@201-1-81-34.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [03:13] antiwire: its default slackware config [03:13] k [03:14] should be working fine then [03:14] does it have anything to do with my /etc/hosts [03:14] that's how mine is and I can use IP or hostname [03:14] ooh [03:14] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.217.102) joined ##slackware. [03:15] slackytude, trac? [03:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:15] nvision (n=nvision@g229072150.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:15] sigh, i wonder if it's the really crazy ones that get lithium [03:15] http://www.opensourcehelpdesklist.com/ [03:16] Im checking this one [03:16] slava_dp, thx [03:16] nix_chix0r, my sister took lithium for depression. [03:16] did it make her comfortably numb? [03:16] trac is actually alright. At least from a user point of view, which is the point of view I look at it form. [03:16] from* [03:16] because if so i'd like it [03:16] digdeep (n=kenpeter@123-243-53-25.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:19] digdeep (n=kenpeter@123-243-53-25.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [03:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:21] Action: slackytude dreams of his next vacation [03:21] I will go on vacation even if its only two weeks, this year [03:21] or I might start killing random people [03:22] dont you hate it when everything gets blurred and then you wake up with a damn headache and find out you bite twenty people to death? [03:23] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] firebird619, http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/06/opera-hoping-to-reinvent-the-web-by-making-browser-a-server.ars [03:23] slackytude: thanks [03:23] firebird619, i think i'll go see cake in maryland next month [03:23] slackytude, im getting holidays without asking for them..2weeks complementary :( [03:23] that will be my escape [03:24] nix_chix0r: cool. [03:24] The-Croupier, why? [03:24] nix_chix0r, see cake? [03:24] nix_chix0r, I thought you eat cake [03:25] slackytude: cake, it's not just for eating anymore. :P [03:25] eh [03:26] brb [03:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:26] cake is a band [03:27] from the mid90s [03:28] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:28] cos i cannot have other holidays..and they are obliged to give me my two weeks before september [03:28] i have lectures from july till september ..so i have to get them now ;) lol [03:32] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-75fae43a63b1de08) joined ##slackware. [03:32] hi [03:32] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [03:33] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:34] High_Priest, hi back to you sir. ;) [03:34] :) [03:36] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:36] i dont understand, how they allow facebook,skype,msn...and they dont allow linux.. how stupid can that be? [03:36] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@CPE-138-217-140-232.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:36] gDD (n=gDD@unaffiliated/gdd) joined ##slackware. [03:36] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:37] The-Croupier, ? [03:39] dont mention lectures [03:39] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [03:39] I have got my exams soon [03:39] y0 TwinReverb [03:40] slackytude, hey 8-) [03:41] gDD (n=gDD@unaffiliated/gdd) left irc: "leaving" [03:41] TwinReverb, summer classes..:( i teach computer science even in summer ;) [03:41] so what did patrick volkerding talk about? [03:41] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.21.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.7.192) joined ##slackware. [03:43] boobies! [03:43] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:43] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:43] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [03:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [03:50] TwinReverb, he talked about something? somewhere? where and when was that? [03:50] slackytude, apart from boobies? [03:50] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:50] its been a few days since he was here, afaik [03:51] and he talked about slackware. [03:51] he was here tonight [03:51] The-Croupier: He was here tonight [03:51] oh, tonight as well? didnt know that [03:51] he talked about xorg, the kernel, and some pending bug fixes [03:51] yup, tonight. [03:51] did he mention my t-shirt? [03:52] I needz it [03:53] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:53] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:54] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.158.9.234) joined ##slackware. [03:56] What happened to xorgconfig? [03:56] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Good Bye" [03:57] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:57] ccfreak2k, xorg can now use hal [03:57] ccfreak2k, so you dont need an xorg.conf anymore [03:57] and stuff [03:58] well I've tested that and I still need one [03:58] i see.. i suppose we will see what he talked about in the public logs right? [03:58] antiwire, running current? [03:58] yes. [03:58] come on man [03:59] I've tested running current without an xorg.conf and it does run but in that case there is no way to set the specialized options for drivers like synaptics or tablets. [03:59] i see. [04:00] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [04:00] it does work but you need some sections still if you plan on using specific options or drivers [04:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [04:01] example: I have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed. when I remove my xorg.conf, xorg automatically uses the xorg nv instead of the proprietary drivers and my synaptics touchpad looses all of the fine tuned settings, but it all at least works. [04:04] you're not "without" xorg.conf, it's simply using the default iirc [04:04] bleh nevermind [04:04] There is not 'default'. it detects all the hardware via hal [04:05] does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? [04:05] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.217.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:05] i just said. I removed it. [04:05] oh [04:05] antiwire: try a xorg.con that is empty _except for the Section "Device" with the definition for the nvidia driver. That is how my own xorg.conf looks like [04:06] ooh that's actually rather cool [04:06] alienBOB: can the same concept work for the synaptics settings? [04:06] i'll test it out, thanks alienBOB [04:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [04:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [04:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:12] i will do the same for my nvidia ;) thanks alienbob [04:12] no dice [04:13] I created an xorg.conf like this and X fails to start http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14675 [04:13] init[1] (n=init[1]@116.68.97.225) joined ##slackware. [04:14] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Client Quit [04:14] Later guys. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. [04:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [04:15] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [04:16] antiwire, that doesnt look correct [04:16] antiwire, whats in the error log [04:16] it doesn't start a screen at all. init 4 just sits there and no screen happens on vt7 [04:17] nothing happens at all and if i reboot it just hangs [04:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:17] what doesn't look correct? that is a device section [04:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [04:18] If I use the whole section, the one that is in my xorg.conf, the same thing happens [04:18] but my full xorg.conf works fine [04:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [04:18] well, Im missing "Identifier" [04:20] It doesn't matter if I use the whole section or not. Without the rest of the xorg.conf it simple does not work. I can use this whole section by itself in an xorg.conf and it fails the same way: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14676 [04:21] So, I'm still using a full xorg.conf and it works fine [04:21] Action: slackytude shurgs [04:21] still, the idea is nice [04:21] using hal + dbus I mean [04:22] could need more docs [04:22] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) left irc: [04:22] If I let xorg detect the video itself but add a section for my synaptics driver and its options, synclient -l will display one set of vars while the truncated xorg.conf contains others. [04:23] synclient? [04:23] so there are certainly some issues with the autodetection and/or the use of partial xorg files [04:23] synclient is the commandline tool for displaying the actually active options for the driver. [04:24] for synaptec? [04:24] synaptics [04:24] it's an xorg driver for touchpads on nearly all laptops and is included in xorg now [04:25] rite [04:25] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [04:25] my point is, there is a skew between the settings in a truncated xorg and what synclient really knows but if a full xorg is used, it synclient matches the config. [04:26] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-217-90.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:27] like i said, the autodetect at least works but either it's a little buggy or what we need to put into a truncated xorg.conf is now different syntax [04:28] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:29] join #c++ [04:29] opps [04:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:31] antiwire, woulndt suprise me if it was buggy and I think more documentation would be nice. still, its a step in the right direction [04:31] nullify_ (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:34] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.13.237) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:38] guys, anyone knows any teleconference software? [04:38] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.87.191.199) joined ##slackware. [04:38] skype ? :P [04:39] slackytude, apart from that? something that might compress the packets a litle? [04:39] skype,msn, :( kind of slow.. [04:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [04:44] ekiga [04:46] nullify (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.158.9.234) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:50] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [04:50] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.42.77) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Hello! [04:50] slackytude, apparently it doesn't autodetect my monitor specs, so I guess that's a bit of a step backwards. [04:50] How do I get Slackware64-current from ftp? [04:50] pri4pus, it has its own directory. [04:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl150-187.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:50] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/ [04:51] I mean, how do I download that. Because when I make a click on the link it goes to the linked page. [04:51] Err yeah. [04:51] It's a directory. [04:51] Yes! :-) [04:52] Is there a way to download all that directory? [04:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:53] pri4pus, rsync [04:53] or wget -r [04:54] Thank you! [04:55] pri4pus: use alienBOB's script instead [04:55] Which one? [04:55] very simple.. allows for incremental updates since it uses rsync and it will also build ISOs yor you [04:55] mirror-slackware-current.sh [04:56] *for [04:56] Ok. Thank you! 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[05:04] Nick change: Thom1_ -> Thom1 [05:05] ccfreak2k, thats bad [05:07] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.87.191.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [05:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:09] slackytude, very. [05:10] "Neither customers nor End Users may post any commercial advertisement on any public bulletin board system or web site unless it is expressly allowed on that system or web site. Complaints will be handled the in the same manner as UBE and UCE complaints." [05:10] That isnt restricting me from placing something like google ads on my site, is it? [05:10] opps [05:10] man, I got to start checking what window im writing in :/ [05:11] moin channel :) [05:12] moin? [05:12] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.13.237) left irc: "Leaving" [05:12] thats german, that is [05:12] moin moin! [05:12] oh, okay [05:12] Action: stealth- gets out babelfish [05:13] I guess babelfish won't know that [05:13] slackytude, eviljames, btw, I still haven't had the occasion to try the lists in Qt, I've been changing other things and can't play with that yet [05:13] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to his C++ templated code [05:14] oh, found it [05:14] bablefish didnt have a clue, but wikipedia did..... [05:15] heh [05:15] Hi, btw ;) [05:15] hi [05:15] urbandictionnary is quite good at that : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moin [05:15] hey stealth- :) [05:16] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.42.77) left irc: "Leaving" [05:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:16] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:17] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:22] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Wiren (i=86d63296@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12166a67b38a1df6) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) left ##slackware. [05:25] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [05:28] if i want to grep for "foo" and do not want to see "fooSOMETHING" what switch do i pass to grep to ignore "fooSOMETHING" ? [05:28] my mind is still slow this early [05:30] grep -v [05:30] ah that was it , thank you [05:30] well, I grep foo |grep -v SOMETHING [05:30] damnit, beat me too it :( [05:30] stealth-, haha, too slow ! [05:30] but the reason is I have C++ compiling and it always takes ages so I have plenty of time to do other things :) [05:30] lol, the one time I *actually* know an answer, and I dont get to say it :( [05:31] what if i do not want it to even output fooSOMETHING at all , not just ignore the something and then print the foo part of the word? [05:31] dunno know if i phrased that question correctly [05:32] I suck at compiling, I tried it about ten minutes ago, and it couldnt find something, so I removed the line that tried to include that file. Bad idea, all sorts of errors :( [05:32] Camarade_Tux: ^ [05:32] stealth-, hahaha :p [05:32] dtanner, -o [05:32] :) [05:32] would "grep foo |grep -v SOMETHING" not show at all the entry fooSOMETHING in its results/output? [05:32] grep -o that is [05:32] k [05:32] thanks [05:33] Camarade_Tux is like a interactive man page [05:33] :P [05:33] stealth-, lower left term is grep's man page xD [05:33] "lower left term"? [05:34] yeah, I can have nine terms on my screen, 3x3 [05:34] ah, lol [05:34] I can't believe C++ accepts to compile [05:34] f(src, dst, getter1()); [05:34] f(src, dst, getter1(), getter2()); [05:34] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:34] different number of arguments ! [05:34] Action: stealth- only knows python, and only a little bit :( [05:34] I've learned C++ this year [05:35] getting used to it [05:35] cool [05:35] do you know anything about C? [05:35] yeah, I learnt C before (I've been forced to learn C++ actually ;) ) [05:36] C++ definitely feels like C with incoherent things over it [05:36] im not sure which one I want to tackle next, what would you recommend? I'm thinking C++ cause its more commmon [05:36] like "template \n" : no semicolon at the end of the line ! [05:36] C [05:36] definitely C [05:36] k, I've found a really funny tutorial for that anyways [05:36] lol [05:36] depends [05:37] he said he wrote about half of it on the bus [05:37] if you know OOP in your heart already, C++ will probably feel more at home for you [05:37] I don't think anybody can be good at C++ if he didn't learn C first, it would make him write pretty bad code [05:37] slackytude: well I havnt really gotten far enough into python to have really gotten used to OOP [05:37] slackytude: in fact, I still dont know what the difference is.... [05:38] then I agree with Camarade_Tux, stay with pure C and if you know what you use OOP for, check out the classes and C++ [05:38] I see objects as a way to carry data, and all the functions associated to it [05:38] encapsulation [05:39] hmmm.... k, C sounds like the next step, then [05:39] Now I just have to finish 200 pages of my python book as quick as possible [05:39] Wiren (i=86d63296@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12166a67b38a1df6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [05:40] I should really get a phyical programming book. The digital ones are hard to use, and I cant read them everywhere I go [05:40] thanks for the advice, guys [05:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:41] yeah [05:41] books on programming languages are nicer, you can read them in the train :) [05:41] I still got my C/C++ book from ' 93 or sumthing [05:41] you can see I have been carrying around a lot [05:41] Action: TwinReverb does too [05:41] My uncle might have one, im emailing him right now. [05:42] slackytude: I wasnt even born then :O [05:42] spend some money you bum :P [05:42] eh [05:42] hahaha, freenode guys understood that by spamming the whole network with a link, they were going to get thousands of page hits within a minute and had better link to a static page rather than a generated one :) [05:42] Action: slackytude waves his walking stick [05:42] Get off my lan! [05:42] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:42] slackytude: heh, its mainly the fact that i cant drive yet so I would have to bus to every store I can find to see if there is a C book there. [05:43] amazon.com [05:43] no paypal :( [05:43] but it was just a joke [05:43] ah [05:43] -> :P [05:43] well I figured, but I like to argue [05:43] >:D [05:43] heh [05:43] fight ! [05:43] nah [05:44] stealth-, I hang around in #python, too. its good for learning [05:44] actually, might have been '96 [05:44] Action: slackytude shurgs [05:44] slackytude: I go there when I have questions, but I still havnt really learnt that much to understand it all [05:44] who cares [05:44] heh [05:45] that 'who cares' wasnt for you, btw, stealth- [05:45] My biggest issue with learning a programming language is that I always end up getting into some huge project as soon as I learn just a little bit. [05:45] takes a really long time to become proficient in a programming language [05:45] heh, yeah [05:45] slackytude: lol, I didnt think it was :P [05:45] I got tons of half finished projects [05:45] C++ definitely feels like C with incoherent things over it [05:46] Actually, that's pretty much what C++ is. [05:46] well I finish them, it just takes forever [05:46] ccfreak2k, although I find there are some nice things in C++ :) [05:46] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:47] nvision (n=nvision@g229072150.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:47] uh oh, dont have my uncles email :/ [05:47] time to google [05:47] not that thats relavent to anything going on in here [05:47] Camarade_Tux, like? [05:48] Templates? [05:48] the STL? iterators? [05:49] right now I'm using templates and they can be quite convenient (I use one or two of them, not more) [05:49] stl/iterators <- /me can't remember the api [05:49] true, but the syntax is horrible [05:49] altho its still worse in java [05:49] slackytude, yeah, I agree, I'd prefer functional programming's functors but well, I'm not using an FP language ;) [05:50] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [05:50] eh, you know what I use [05:50] altho I like the FP stuff in python [05:50] map, filter and that jibe [05:50] yeah \o/ [05:50] iter too ;) [05:50] yeah [05:51] lots of iter tools in python [05:51] once you've used FP's iter, you can't use any C++'s iterator, it doesn't make sense at all ;) [05:51] /names [05:51] well, C++ iterator just dont make much sense [05:51] slackytude, right =P [05:51] regardless of what else you use [05:52] I have to do a uni project now wich uses RMI [05:52] I remember now : aren't they mostly syntactic sugar ? [05:52] RMI ? [05:52] thats crap [05:52] Remoth method Invocation [05:52] anything to do with Remote Procedure Call ? [05:52] rpc on crack [05:52] aye [05:52] he :p [05:52] its a java thing [05:52] or like CORBA [05:53] but its a java thing and you see it. [05:53] I really dislike javas way of doing things [05:53] and the people in #java are all snobs [05:53] nvision (n=nvision@g229072150.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:53] who cares about the people in #java? [05:53] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] sometimes for school, I feel like writing ocaml, wrapping it in a C library and use it from the programming language I'm force to use :D [05:54] s/sometimes/often/ [05:54] ... s/often// [05:54] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:56] heh [05:56] I used python in one project [05:56] I asked beforehand [05:56] that was great fun [05:57] I wrote about 100 lines top and it was pretty easy, while left and right people complain about java and the crappy apache xml-rpc [05:57] hehe [05:57] gotta love it [05:57] crap ! right after I've poured milk on my cereals, somebody phoned me and told me we should go eat >< [05:57] slackytude, haha :p [05:58] TwinReverb, well, when I ask something in #slackware, #python or even #windows I get an answer or at least some feedback. everytime in java I just get RTFM [05:58] if I had written ocaml, I'd have use functors for the first time (functors have the same role as templates, but they are mathematically clean and won't blow up) [05:58] slackytude, but do you rtfm before asking? [05:59] TwinReverb, sure, but Im just not that familiar with java [05:59] then calmly tell them you did rtfm [05:59] TwinReverb, we get n00bs in here too and we are pretty nice to them [05:59] not every channel is well-run. you have got to learn to deal with that. [05:59] yeah, see, we even help annoying people, slackytude for instance -_- [05:59] j/k :D [05:59] :( [05:59] :P [06:01] Camarade_Tux, that's when you tell them they should come over 8-) [06:01] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:01] TwinReverb, yeah, somebody already joined :F [06:01] what is :F ? [06:01] (that's :P with a tongue cut in two) [06:01] oh [06:02] you one of those fork tongued freaks? 8-P [06:02] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:02] plz help i need help with my ubuntu disc it wont start i try to run it from command line in win98 !!!! [06:02] I just made that up ;) [06:02] Action: slackytude goes to lucnh [06:02] lunch [06:02] see ya later [06:02] Action: TwinReverb installs a spell checker on slackytude [06:02] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] lunch too, bbl :) [06:02] no slackytude ! im testing you [06:02] upyr[emacs] (n=emacs@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:02] lol [06:03] madbear, I've seen that ubuntu CDs have a windows autorun ^^ [06:03] it would be awesome if that auto-run erased everything on their hard drive [06:03] hehe yeah [06:03] i'm tempted to sell a "DO NOT INSERT THIS CD" that does that [06:03] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] maybe even complete with a BIOS updater that zeroizes their BIOS [06:03] It looks like the autodetection issue is down to a bug in the openchrome driver. [06:03] On the KM400 chip, it rejects all modes without checking them. [06:04] i'm surprised a virus never came out that could zeroize peoples' BIOSs [06:04] at least back in the day it would've made sense [06:04] these days, no, computers are more valuable as bandwidth tools [06:04] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0c750507393c3eb0) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:05] TwinReverb, reflashing BIOS chips tends to vary greatly from board to board. [06:05] Action: TwinReverb remembers the Michelangelo virus [06:05] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [06:05] Action: TwinReverb will never die, he will just continue to get more and more old-school [06:05] What is "xz" for these packages? [06:06] LZMA? [06:06] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] ccfreak2k, rtfcl 8-P 8-) [06:06] Huh? [06:06] yeah i think it is [06:06] read the fine change log [06:06] i'd say freaking but i've never seen text files freak out [06:07] But you've seen them fucking, right? [06:07] it's actually rather pimp, you could technically slap both slack64 and slack on the same CD if you exclude /source [06:07] ccfreak2k, no, actually i have not (and no youtube videos please lol) [06:07] Sounds like trouble. [06:08] well i am the kind of person that would not want to have /source on the dvd regardless, because i don't usually need the source, but oh well [06:08] i have some mandrake 9 CDs of source somewhere in my house that i tossed in a corner [06:08] do most ppl need the /source? [06:09] Action: TwinReverb remembers Corel Linux 8-) [06:09] madbear, i would think that most home users (non-server applications) could say "no" but oh well [06:09] granted if i had the "build world" script i might be inclined to recompile slackware for the specific computer i'm on but oh well it don't matter [06:09] (only because i have a spare laptop) [06:09] but i guess its a simple way to keep gpl-dudes away [06:09] it's all good [06:10] l8r [06:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:10] Wiren (n=a@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:13] sQuEE` (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[06:43] ccfreak2k: shouldnt make it any more complicated [06:43] Although I guess I could move the archive over to my laptop, extract, modify, compress, then move it back., [06:43] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:43] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Zordrak, I have no tools for compressing to xz on my desktop. [06:44] Actually, I would have to move it anyway since I would need to compile it. [06:44] ccfreak2k: install slackware-current/a/xz package - that is a .tgz [06:44] alienBOB: its me init[1], with your permission can i enter i have just set up my znc , no idea if its gona show shellium.org [06:44] What is a znc [06:44] alienBOB, did I mention that my desktop box runs Windows? :) [06:44] znc is bouncer [06:44] ccfreak2k: fail ;-) [06:44] smthing like BNC [06:44] mib_447fx8: if it exposes shellium.org it will get banned [06:45] alienBOB: mostly it wont . [06:45] but i was bit sacred about the fireing [06:45] init[1]|znc (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [06:45] How much are linode shells these days? [06:46] ccfreak2k: if you install cygwin you will get a xz.exe [06:47] Nick change: Yudha_HT -> yht|pulang [06:47] tip of the day , dont do /list -yes [06:47] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.234.27) joined ##slackware. [06:49] aaha its seems like it's going to be fine :) [06:49] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:49] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-46-72.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] madbear: yesterday's tip, don't blow in the eyes of a bear that's gave birth a week ago and is sat next to its- cubs [06:50] Tomorrom's tip: water is wet [06:51] T_T [06:52] That doesn't sound like a tip. [06:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:54] i hate solaris so much i could weep [06:55] ccfreak2k, xz has been compiled for windows (with mingw and even mingw-w64) [06:55] I think I might just move source/ to the laptop. [06:55] I don't know what build dependencies x11 has. [06:56] many [06:57] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "" "" [06:58] Zordrak: I'm feeling the same way about FBSD atm. I'll be a Slacker till I die. [06:58] ++ [06:59] Action: Zordrak is now up to 7 slack boxes and centing [07:00] all i need is a new NAS and therell be only one solais box left [07:00] nice:) 've got 3 slack boxes atm [07:00] I've [07:00] nowait, 8 cause the co-lo webserlver is slack too [07:00] Homer, marge, bart, lisa, smithers, wiggum, moleman and apu :D [07:01] hehe [07:01] lol [07:01] theyre not random either... the name greatly reflects the purpose of each [07:02] awesome names [07:02] eg Apu :: Awake 24x7 and always ready to serve a customer.... can you guess what it does? :) [07:02] mail? [07:02] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:02] bah! its the colo webserver [07:03] Smithers likes to Serve Males [07:03] looooooooooooooooooool [07:03] so smithers is the mailserver [07:03] ha-ha [07:03] bart? [07:03] funny stuff, man:) [07:03] bart is my desktop (the only non server slack box) [07:04] he misbehaves (runs -current in a prod env) and does whatever he feels like (or whatever i need it to do) [07:05] 100 points for guessing the OpenVPN server [07:05] marge [07:05] fail [07:06] no idea [07:06] well then it must be wiggum [07:06] Moleman! -- He's 64 (years old and bits) and being a mole, likes tunneling [07:07] doh [07:07] Wiggum polices the network -- running Nagios [07:07] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@206.245.153.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:07] lol [07:07] wiggum sucks at that [07:07] ;P [07:08] i keep him in line :) [07:08] nit picking [07:08] =D [07:09] ccfreak2k: I was paying $20 USD for my 360 [07:11] init[1]|znc (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -" [07:11] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.66) joined ##slackware. [07:13] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.66) left irc: Client Quit [07:13] ccfreak2k, so, yeah, xz has been compiled for windows, it's even said in the source tarball [07:13] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.66) joined ##slackware. [07:14] I have a win64 cross-compiler and I should make a multilib one that can compile for win32 too, if you need bins, tell me [07:14] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host250-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.234.27) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:15] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.94) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:19] ouch, the computer's dying : I'm copying for an external usb disk formatted in ntfs to another one formatted in ntfs too, ntfs-3g eats my cpu [07:20] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:24] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [07:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5ccdf68539fbe2e0) joined ##slackware. [07:26] hmmm, virtualbox3 beta with smp and directx8/9 and opengl2 support... =) [07:26] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] uh! [07:27] you what? [07:27] full opengl support? [07:29] e5150 (i=dv08llt@peppar.cs.umu.se) left irc: "leaving" [07:29] what me what ? [07:30] slackytude, don't know, haven't tested yet ;) [07:30] agh [07:30] please do :D [07:31] maybe I won't, for the sole purpose of bothering you ;) [07:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-149.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] bah [07:32] I must be tired, I read "Microsoft Software Inventory Analyzer breaks Internet Explorer " but I read it as "Microsoft Breathalyser in Internet 0_o [07:35] hehe [07:36] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [07:36] sidmario (n=xxx@201-43-57-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:36] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [07:36] s/Internet/Internet Explorer/ btw [07:37] Camarade_Tux will be the first man to recieve a ticket for BWI [07:37] browsing while intoxicated [07:39] Wiren_ (n=a@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[07:54] btw, vim's slackbuilds makes a symlink for evim to vim, evim is vim for gumbies and has only insert mode BUT if you're in vim, you can't quit, you have to kill vim, it's only effective in gvim [07:55] the evim symlink should probably be removed [07:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Action: Camarade_Tux just handed a slackware vbox disk image to a friend, and taught him "root RETURN startx RETURN" [07:56] uva (i=bno@114-45-225-85.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-217-90.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:03] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [08:03] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) left irc: [08:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Camarade_Tux, as root? [08:06] slackytude, it's a virtual machine only meant for development [08:06] well [08:08] slackytude, and that one was meant for me, and wasn't ready at all [08:08] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [08:08] I hadn't prepared anything, I had to hack /etc/profile and add an "alias gvim ='gvim -y'" ;) [08:09] it even had all the fonts set as DejaVuSansMono\ 6, I had to make that 6 a 9 ;) [08:10] o/ [08:11] moin frullet [08:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Camarade_Tux: hows it? [08:13] NetrixTardis_ (n=leoem@64.39.1.180) joined ##slackware. [08:13] frullet, pretty nice, well, actually I'm wondering why I've put an elastic band around my head but that's a detail... [08:13] and you ? [08:14] Camarade_Tux: fatigued, being harrased by the woman [08:14] frullet, haha :P [08:14] you live in Australia, right ? how late is it ? [08:15] yeh, its 10:20 PM [08:16] Action: frullet is in for a long night [08:17] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host250-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host12-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:18] why ? [08:19] two assessments due tommorow which i havnt even looked at [08:19] hey ppl, I remember there was a command which creates/outputs nice nifty boxes with different around text pasted as input.. can't remember it's name [08:19] mib_447fx8 (i=744461e1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5c75b122540ed711) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:20] with different shapes* [08:20] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:20] frullet: hang in there:) how's the weather down under? [08:20] cowsay ? [08:20] moo [08:21] hitest: will do my best, cold and miserable.. sure beats the heat but [08:21] nothing worse then australian summers with the hordes of flys that follow [08:21] summer ? hmmmm [08:22] frullet: cool, shitty, and rainy here as well. [08:22] far too hot here [08:23] hitest: there was a canadian i was speaking to the other week, who actually said its been colder over here then what he feels back home [08:26] frullet: weird weather for Oz? we usually have a good May here on the north coast then the rain socks in for June. [08:26] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:27] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:30] hitest: yeh, been having random cold snaps here and there [08:33] interesting. we had unseasonably hot weather here for a bit. I hope you can dodge the flies, frullet. [08:34] anTraxc (n=augusto@189.41.42.103) joined ##slackware. [08:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:36] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.15.152) joined ##slackware. [08:39] anybody knows a simple voice chat for a small lan? i need it to be server-less to be able to use it without the internet. [08:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] slKIvs (n=ivan@77.117.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:45] NetrixTardis_ (n=leoem@64.39.1.180) left irc: "Leaving" [08:48] hmm, does the sip protocol always require a master server to work? [08:48] wha tdo you mean? [08:48] slava_dp: You can do URI dialing with most soft phones [08:48] but you usually have to have an application server that they register with to make the calls.. [08:49] although some will do direct URI dialing [08:49] You can do direct URI calling if yo uare on a LAN [08:50] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@c-2da372d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [08:50] so what i do is i start a voip client on both lan machines and then call from one to the other? [08:51] Yep [08:51] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:52] cool, thanks. do you by any chance know a good soft phone that will do it? there are just so many of them. 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[10:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:08] surg_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [10:09] surg (n=hotlinux@93.185.178.133) joined ##slackware. [10:10] hahaha :p [10:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] grekkos: try #emacs too :) [10:15] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:15] heh I'm not a big emacs fan though [10:15] me neither [10:15] never really used it all too much though [10:16] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.23.131) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:17] it should be ok if you want much more than an editor, say an ide , and got time and will to learn how to use it [10:17] people say its great for tex too [10:17] /ping *.uk [10:18] I learned a lot of vim and i like that a lot [10:19] it's nice to have a good tex editor though [10:19] at last, firefox-3.5rc1. the b99 segfaults all the time [10:19] I heard somewhere vim is good for tex but I still don't see how [10:19] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:20] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.209.210) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host16-22-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:27] hey where else would $PATH be besides /etc/profile and .bash_profile..... i made a change to /etc/profile and then source'd but its not picking up my new info [10:27] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [10:28] http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=5894&key=3e3158 Slackware-12.2, emacs ( + erc + color-themes) [10:29] VampirePenguin, do you "export" it ? [10:29] <|Slacker|> wow...just got a fatal error in X here 0.o [10:29] This SlackBuild has failed: http://slackbuilds.pastebin.com/m47f3bded [10:30] i just made a change to /etc/profile in vi and the wq ... source /etc/profile [10:30] I have the compiled data, how can I make the SlackBuild tarball? [10:30] thats only way i know hwo to do it [10:30] VampirePenguin, you to : export PATH=/your/new/path:$PATH [10:30] s/you to/you have to/ [10:31] antoni (n=user@165.pool85-53-31.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [10:31] VampirePenguin, a cleaner way is to create a .sh file in /etc/profile.d and update the path with it [10:31] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:31] I have /etc/profile.d/ocaml.sh with "export PATH=/ocaml/bin:/ocaml/sbin:$PATH" inside [10:32] asarch: the tarball should probably be /tmp/lyx-*.gz [10:32] Is is not there [10:32] I mean, it is not there [10:33] SBo/ kde-asarch/ mksh-R38b-i486-1_SBo.tgz tgz/ [10:33] hsperfdata_root/ ksocket-asarch/ nvi-1.81.6-i486-1_SBo.tgz [10:33] look for it then. your paste is incomplete though [10:33] The full log actually is a little big huge [10:33] theres stuff after the last make [10:34] maybe it failed [10:34] doesn't makepkg give the path of the package ? [10:34] Can I safely 'make' again or will I have to 'make clean && make'? [10:35] afaict, the slackbuild failed [10:35] freack (n=frk@200-96-102-21.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Ok. Then I will have to rebuild everthing again [10:36] Thank you very much [10:36] See you later [10:36] :-) [10:36] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.208) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." 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[11:19] Action: init[1] o/ [11:20] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:20] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] \o [11:21] Camarade_Tux: firebird taught me :P [11:22] we have all become firebird619's students somehow ;) [11:23] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Guys, i have here two routing tables from two different machines... what difference does it make that one routing table has all the priorities set to 48 and the other routing table has priorities more diversified ? http://pastebin.com/d29210859 [11:23] I have a bandwith issue when utiziling one or the other.. ifconfig settings are the same.. connected to the same switch. [11:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:29] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. 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[11:41] I never realised he was so funnfd [11:41] *funny [11:42] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:42] _therada1 (n=hjhayes@adsl-219-171-176.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] v4nelle (n=van@adsl150-187.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] well everything thta was supposed to work to restart the service for PATH didnt so was forced to reboot .. now it is as it should be [11:45] ty Camarade_Tux [11:45] hmmm, were you expecting $PATH to propagate to terminals other than the one you were sourcing from ? [11:45] and np :) [11:48] i was expecting it to populate the global values like /etc/profile is supposed to do on a source [11:48] maybe im misunderstanding that conept [11:49] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: "SXEmacs - The Best A Geek Can Get - http://www.sxemacs.org/ or app-editors/sxemacs" [11:49] it only applies to the current login session [11:49] there is no "global" path [11:50] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-27.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] im sorry ive been using slack for about a month now, and it is far easier to install and maintain than a majority of distros out there... if ppl would apply their 6th grade reading leavl its sh*t easy [11:51] Welcome to IRC. [11:52] i was looking at trying to get vmware server or workstation on this box and one of its main dependencies is PAM.. im like naaaa [11:52] ill stick with k/qemu [11:52] unless you really want vmware, you should give virtualbox a try [11:52] or try virtualbox [11:52] (slackbuild available) [11:52] plus 3beta looks nice :) [11:52] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:52] VampirePenguin: you don't mean qemu with kqemu do you? [11:52] Action: fred points towards kvm [11:53] vbox ive used for about 1.5 yrs and ive gotten burned a few timee when thir revs jump too much... then all your vms become non compatible [11:53] one thing I like with virtualbox is you can just get everything and use it on windows :) [11:53] ya fred i use both [11:53] COMRAD [11:53] salute [11:53] hey jeev :) [11:54] Action: Camarade_Tux will soon believe he is a FORTRAN program with all these uppercase letters [11:54] heh [11:54] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:55] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] ovf will probably fix that but im kinda partial to the command line anyway.... so i feel like i have more sayso in a qemu build img [11:55] qt4 is sometimes quite annoying to code, too huge [11:56] s/code/program with/ [11:56] Action: fred hugs qt [11:57] i want to do bob sledding [11:57] i havent had prob that i know of with qt4.. where ive had probs is with plasma/oids segf11/15..... its the devs fault they cant get the info they need bc kdes debug symbols are too large .. so ditros leave them out [11:58] fred, I want to make a list to display the contents of my own class and everything seems to be split in three different mother classes [11:58] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: "leaving" [11:58] you can use the QListView for a simple api [11:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] (listmodel, listview, selectionmodel) [11:58] that and kde needs to learn from mozilla how to interface properly with gpg, kgpg kmail and otehr email apps... tbirid is the only one that works right foor me [11:58] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-219-173-146.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:58] the view/model approach is cleaner and more efficient htough [11:58] you shouldn't have to touch the selection model [11:59] VampirePenguin: that's strange, kmail is the only one that's worked right for me :p [11:59] I think I need to use the selection model because depending on what element the user select, I display different things (outside the list) [11:59] i mean in kde 4.x [11:59] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Is there a bash operator for OR ? like "ls *.txt or *.sh" [11:59] basically I need to react to selection [12:00] tank-man, ls *.{txt,sh} [12:00] i see, thanks Camarade_Tux [12:00] VampirePenguin: ditto. [12:00] well, kmail 3.x works fine too :P [12:01] ya 3.5.10 works perfect [12:01] but gpg and integration for signing encrypting is broke... pls kgpg ate my whole deyring when it got stuck [12:02] hello people, any idea when slackware 13 will be release? [12:02] WhenItsDone(tm) [12:02] VampirePenguin: well, all I can say is broke for you, works for me. [12:02] actually we have an idea but we won't tell you, we want to keep the date for ourselves -_- [12:02] MadneX: If you follow the ChangeLog it gives you a $clue [12:03] echo $clue [12:03] blank line, no clue ='( [12:04] Dominian, ok [12:04] ya i understand that one fred .... ive started installfests thinkin hey im gonna put this distro on it but the hardware wont recognize it, then switch a distro and all works fine [12:04] Camarade_Tux: "clue=$(cat /dev/urandom)" ;) [12:04] wee, my other box will hav slckware on it by friday [12:04] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [12:04] i dunno if i should use 64 or not [12:04] BP{k}, ±ðïzExUGÐAÙFßô\ôN¶\jÅï, I see, thanks ! \o/ [12:05] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-149.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:05] chicks dig 64bit [12:05] vbatts_work (n=vbatts@12.68.236.114) joined ##slackware. [12:06] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.162.94) joined ##slackware. [12:07] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-138-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:08] it's a dual opteron 265 i think or 260 [12:08] 4 gigs of rizam [12:08] sitting at the datacenter with no driveas. [12:08] drives. [12:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [12:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:09] no drives ? [12:09] why wouldn't you run 64-bit? [12:09] i dunno ;D [12:09] no drives, i pulled them and put em elsewhere. [12:10] the server has a nvidia sata cntroller which doesn't make freebsd happy [12:10] but works in linux so. [12:10] use gmirror [12:10] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] uh pointless... [12:10] We had a box here at work that FreeBSD hated the onboard nvidia controller for raid... so we just used FreeBSD's gmirror.. works a charm. [12:10] it actually doesn't work sometimes, i get read/write errors. [12:10] i did have a gmirror. [12:11] well read/write errors would indicate to me a drive issue [12:11] nope, it's a controller problem, i dealt with it for 4 months, i know [12:11] i brought the drives home as gmirror would finish and i'd test it.. working perfectly [12:11] are you using th eonboard nvidia raid ? [12:11] no i'm not [12:11] doh [12:11] i knew when i took 2 rma'd 500 gigs and 1 new one, none would work [12:11] that sucks [12:11] immediate error [12:12] still under warranty? [12:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:12] yea but they dont support the onboard sata controller.. and initial purchaser didnt buy a controller card [12:12] so i have nothing i can do, i got the supermicro 8port sata card and it works great but i have no risers on these, i have to find the risers and buy [12:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-166-208.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:13] it's ok.. i have so many freebsd servers, i could live with 2-3 linux ;) [12:13] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-138-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] hehe [12:15] very nice simple pygtk media burning app: http://code.google.com/p/recorder/ someone should submit it to SBo. would make a nice graveman alternative [12:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUH_iVjYw http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1440236~d99119ca42e35bfa7fbc7fba9ab1d88a/Untitled-2.jpg <- close up of the fly [12:16] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:18] someone should = you should ? [12:18] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5ccdf68539fbe2e0) left irc: [12:18] I am willing to do it, for the usual payment :) [12:18] BP{k}: his jaw/knees are quite sore already [12:18] i wont right now. 15 apps is enough for the time being [12:19] Dominian: arse ... :) [12:19] heh [12:19] "It's not obligatory to install all dependencies." <- I don't like python, can I skip that dependency >< [12:20] s/15/20 [12:21] thrice`, you're a genuine hater [12:22] :< [12:22] Wiren (n=a@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] BP{k}: ping [12:23] pong [12:23] BP{k}: You use motzarella.org right...? [12:23] yes [12:23] Did you get that email about them moving to Eternal or something.. that listed EVERYONE'S username? [12:24] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Dominian: .. no .. but I just noticed that for some reason a whole bunch of mail didn't get downloaded by kmail (bout 31 odd) [12:25] wonder why they are switching domain names [12:25] BP{k}: yeah the new news server addressses went live today [12:26] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.104) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Dominian: what the bloody heck , that's pretty moronic. [12:27] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] aye [12:28] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] anTraxc (n=augusto@189.41.42.103) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] BP{k}: new servers work apparently... oh well [12:32] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-210-66.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "fui almocos" [12:33] made the switch oveR? [12:33] yes [12:33] although I'm pretty sure there have been some posts to the a.o.l.s list.. but I didn't see any when I loaded and I haven't checked in a week hehe [12:34] nullify (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:34] that domain doesnt expire until march of next year [12:34] so I'm really confused as to why they are doing it [12:34] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] did you create a complete new account? or just changed $NTTPSERVER and the values in .slrnrc? [12:35] oh... it appears just the news server and readers are being replaced.. for some kind of technical reasons [12:35] BP{k}: just changed the NNTPSERVER [12:35] well eternal-september.org is a pretty coolname ;) [12:35] yah [12:35] almost better than noobfarm.org [12:37] BP{k}: they've already updated their website to show th enew domain names as well [12:37] I'm guessting this has something to do with AT&T dropping usenet service... [12:37] freack_ (n=frk@189.58.217.116) joined ##slackware. [12:38] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left irc: "Leaving" [12:38] yet another reason to hate AT&T [12:38] grazymax (n=grazymax@host96-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:39] hehe [12:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.142.10) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Ya i've been wanting to get that new iPhone but i really don't want to be with at&t. [12:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.91.56) joined ##slackware. [12:39] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:40] Action: thrice` likes at&t :( [12:40] thrice`, have you had to deal with them as an upstream backbone? they are absolute hell to deal with on BGP issues [12:40] they are _never_ wrong ;) [12:41] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:41] fuzzbawl: is that what happened th eother night? [12:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.16.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] Dominian: nope. that was a power system failure [12:43] doh [12:44] P/S in a router blew, but it caused a weird power surge toward the other routers that were on the same remote power controller. Something apparently isn't grounded right [12:45] controller stayed up tho. once it couldn't contact the routers anymore it reset them. I love that thing [12:45] freack_ (n=frk@189.58.217.116) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] hehe [12:47] fred, hmmm, so, there is a Model, a View, and a Controller... /me feels stupid [12:47] (in qt that is) [12:48] sounds like obj-C [12:48] more like MV than MVC in Qt's case [12:48] fuzzbawl: MVC is a framework/style thing, not an objective thing [12:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:49] *not a language thing [12:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:49] eg there's plenty of MVC frameworks for PHP :P [12:49] fred: good point [12:50] nvision (n=nvision@g229072150.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] nullify_ (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] Nick change: zerox0 -> zeroXzero [12:52] slackerII (n=Tiberius@41.208.11.164) joined ##slackware. [12:57] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:57] gnutz (n=nick@c-75-71-58-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Greetings everyone. :) [12:57] firebird619: howdy. :) [12:57] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] howdy [12:57] howdy BP{k}. How's it going? [12:57] Hi slackerII [12:58] surg (n=hotlinux@93.185.178.133) left irc: [12:58] firebird619: alive and well, yourself? [12:58] doing great, thanks. :) [12:58] still kicking lol [12:59] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:59] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:01] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.104) left irc: ":wq" [13:06] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] bleh [13:09] I don't like how centos doesn't have the nice grep like I have on my linux [13:09] my slack [13:09] 0_o [13:09] i could have stopped at "i don't like centos" :D [13:10] i dunno if it's the version or not, but i can't use --exclude-dir or --exclude [13:10] y0 Camarade_Tux, how's it going? [13:10] grekkos: how about RHEL? [13:10] fuzzbawl: hehe [13:10] NetrixTardis: RHEL? [13:10] firebird619, nice, thanks, and you ? [13:10] .............. [13:10] oh [13:10] grekkos: Red Hat Enterprise Linux. [13:10] I don't like rhel either [13:10] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. :) [13:10] greetings [13:11] hey The-Croupier [13:11] bbl dinner :) [13:11] hiya Camarade_Tux ;) [13:11] /clear [13:12] and everytime i close vim it tells me it can't write to some file in /var/www [13:12] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [13:12] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:12] grekkos: check permissions in the file you are trying to edit [13:13] maybe you are accessing it as user, when you created it as root or something [13:14] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [13:14] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: "leaving" [13:15] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [13:16] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [13:18] sex [13:18] i mean hi [13:18] gnutz (n=nick@c-75-71-58-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] lol [13:18] we know what's on your mind. :P [13:19] nheco (n=nheco@200-96-102-181.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [13:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:21] yea, burritos [13:21] i want one today [13:21] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [13:21] jeev: you want sex with burritos?! :P [13:22] no. just burritos [13:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] yeah right :p [13:23] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [13:23] Action: The-Croupier runs [13:24] unless if you have a sexy sister [13:24] then no [13:29] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:29] jeev: bad luck man, i have no sisters :P only brothers....:P [13:30] eww [13:30] they could put you in the middle for a sandwitch if you like [13:30] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:31] slackerII (n=Tiberius@41.208.11.164) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:33] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:34] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:34] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:35] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [13:36] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:37] v4nelle (n=van@adsl150-187.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:37] this is too quite [13:37] what is wrong [13:37] i <3 chicken [13:37] s/quite/quiet/ ;) [13:38] The-Croupier: it's lunch time in the majority of the US [13:38] god knows Dominian can't type and chew at the same time [13:38] (thankfully) [13:39] i can [13:39] mwahahahahahha [13:39] o_O [13:39] fuzzbawl: shaddup [13:40] I hate penis hair [13:40] upyr[emacs] (n=emacs@79.174.35.21) left irc: "ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)" [13:40] straterra: show it who is boss. wax it. [13:40] Dominian: oh, finished your sandwhich then? :D [13:40] i pluck it with pliers [13:40] fuzzbawl: ha ha [13:41] of all the cell providers, why did Sprint with their "Shit now" network get Palm Pre exclusivity? [13:42] and for that matter, why are cell manufacturers even DOING exclusivity in todays markets? [13:42] yes, yes, OT i know. i place all blame on acidchild for that [13:45] I like Sprint [13:45] fuzzbawl: acidchild ?! [13:45] Action: The-Croupier is happy channel has some action :) [13:46] The-Croupier: yep [13:47] hello The-Croupier [13:47] v4nelle: hiya bro ;) [13:47] fuzzbawl: haha [13:47] fuzzbawl: yeah he'll love that :) [13:48] OldSlacker (n=OldSlack@173-24-168-161.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Action: The-Croupier is afk, Dominian is here :P [13:48] Dominian: i'd text him but at&t is flooded right now [13:48] AT&T is fail [13:49] lol [13:49] straterra: don't remind me [13:49] Switch to Sprint [13:49] I got pushed into AT&T with the Cingular buyout. Cingular was a great network [13:49] DO IT [13:50] fuzzbawl, stop lying [13:50] straterra: I'm stuck in contract and Sprint's coverage around here is moderate at best [13:50] att and cingular both suck [13:50] jeev, define "suck" [13:50] lack of service [13:50] Oh..Sprint around here is great [13:50] customer service or actual cell coverage? [13:50] I've had maybe..2 dropped calls in..what..8 years? [13:51] my at&t cell service has been pretty good so far [13:51] cell coverage for AT&T around this area is better than Sprint. Verizon has the best coverage over-all. I'd switch to Verizon before Sprint actually. Quite often I am on the road looking up stuff/pinging things while on a phone call with a customer [13:52] I don't like Verizon's pricing either [13:52] so far as I am told, due to the way the EVDO network functions with sprint you can't have a voice call and tx/rx data at the same time [13:52] That's correct [13:52] that's a huge problem for us [13:52] You can still send SMS though [13:52] thrice`, do you live on flat land [13:52] and live in a tent ? [13:53] Err...what? [13:53] so we are stuck with Verizon and AT&T at that point. Verizon doesn't have a phone worthy of looking at currently, until they get the Palm Pre anyway [13:53] fuzzbawl, get the blackberry that comes out next month [13:53] Where's cpunches at? I need to steal the dunce hat to give to jeev... [13:53] jeev, newp. RIM devices can't do ActiveSync. so they are all out. [13:54] and refuse to pay $10k for their enterprise server [13:54] ridiculous [13:54] fuzzbawl: actually.. [13:54] We use a product that lets you do activesync [13:54] oh, corporate crap [13:54] It's not free [13:54] But its a hell of a lot cheaper than the BES [13:54] straterra: what's the name of it? [13:54] http://www.notifycorp.com/ [13:55] Works for Palm too [13:55] handles calendars/invites as well? [13:55] Yup [13:55] And contacts [13:55] i like that blackberry guard software, i dont have it but i like it [13:55] fairly stable then I take it? [13:55] Yeah [13:56] Anytime we have an issue with it, its not the software.. [13:56] It's the stupid ass blackberry [13:56] :) [13:56] You know what I mean [13:56] i'll take a look at that. Thanks! [13:56] No problem [13:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:57] jeev, yea, "corporate crap" :D I have to keep our mobile force happy, which in turn causes less work for me and our other staff [13:57] sQuEE` (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:58] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-150-69.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) joined ##slackware. [14:01] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Hey Guys, Need a little help I upgraded to current last night and now ndiswrapper tells me. FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. So i tried to compile ndiswrapper for this new kernel but I keep coming up with errors when running make [14:01] Pastebin the errors [14:02] alienBOB has a patch for 2.6.29.x [14:03] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ndiswrapper/build/ [14:03] http://pastebin.com/m7c62e0d3 [14:03] oh [14:04] how do i use a patch? normaly i use .SlackBuild [14:06] use the slackbuild I pasted :) [14:07] but what do i do with the .patch [14:07] lol [14:08] you want to patch it by hand ? [14:09] well not if i don't have to i just want my wireless back up [14:09] looks like a "patch -Np1 -i /path/ndiswrapper.patch" will work [14:09] from within the ndiswrapper DIR [14:10] to build ndiswrapper on -current, it needs patching [14:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-166-208.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:11] ok so i download the kernel patch put it in my ndiswrapper 1.-54 directory [14:11] run patch -Np1 -i [14:11] then slackbuild? [14:12] if you're using the slackbuild, you can add a patch line to the slackbuild [14:12] no, put the command that does patch IN the SlackBuild [14:12] which slackbuild are you using ? [14:13] the latest one for slackware 12.2 [14:13] ndiswrapper 1.54 [14:13] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/ndiswrapper/ that already has the patch [14:14] that will work for the current version of slackware? [14:14] it looks like it should, yes [14:15] be sure you have the patch from slackbuilds.org too [14:16] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.23.121) joined ##slackware. [14:19] will do [14:19] thanks [14:19] just put the patch in the same directory as slackbuild right>? [14:21] thrice` [14:21] Linux slack 2.6.30 #2 SMP Sat Jun 13 20:10:00 PDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [14:21] ever seen anything that sexy ? [14:21] Ok guys, I gots trouble. [14:21] jeev, only once. but it was YEARS ago when quad Pentium Pro's were cool :D [14:21] Alan_Hicks: what's up? [14:21] Hi Alan_Hicks [14:21] wifi troubles galore. [14:22] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] Alan_Hicks: elaborate? [14:22] Client owns a friggin' mansion and wants wireless access in her poolhouse. Normally, we would have pulled a cable, but there's just no way we could do that. [14:23] jeev: :) [14:23] So intead, we placed a WAP in her office (where her Internet connection comes in) and attached it to a router. Then we located a wet11 in the ceiling overhead and pulled cable through the attic to a second wet11. Everything finally terminates at a second WAP in the poolhouse. [14:24] So the network is: Internet -> Linksys router <-> SMC WAP0 <-> SMC wet11 <--> SMC wet11 <-> WMC WAP 1 <-> laptop. [14:24] ok i think that worked [14:24] restarting [14:24] brb [14:24] Alan_Hicks: using WDS or just "extending" ? [14:24] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-150-69.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] fuzzbawl: I don't understand "extending". [14:25] You mean those el-cheapo "wireless network extenders" you buy at Best Buy? [14:26] What is a wet11? [14:26] i'll rephrase, my brain kicked in...repeating [14:26] wet11= 802.3 <-> 802.11 bridge [14:26] k. so the wet11's are just broadcasting the same ESSID then? [14:26] It's slang. Just a lot easier to type that then 802.3 <-> 802.11 bridge. [14:27] fuzzbawl: Well, they don't broadcast at all. They receive wireless signals from the access points and pump that down to a CAT-5 cable. [14:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Basically I did it this way to avoid buggy WDS. [14:27] moo [14:28] k. what kind of trouble are you seeing? [14:28] Anyhow, I can ping WAP0 all the time, but I can only ping the Linksys router some of the time when my laptop is associated to WAP1. [14:28] acidchild: sup [14:28] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.66) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] I'd never thought vim could be that difficult ! gvim -y is just horrible :P [14:28] The Linksys router and WAP0 are essentially three feet away connected with a known-good patch cable. [14:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:28] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@174-159-250-126.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] fuzzbawl: nothing much, reading up about optimized link status protocol [14:29] However, if I go into her office and my laptop associates with WAP0, then I can ping the router all the time. [14:30] Basically, if I associate with WAP1, traffic to the router (and of course, out onto the 'Net) is spotty at best, even though I know I'm able to reach that distance via the wireless setup I've put in place. [14:30] acidchild: found some more "security" stuff I need to lock down [14:30] Alan_Hicks: does WAP0 have any kind of firewall or anything? It sounds like it's not passing ARP requests onward [14:30] Dominian: use a condom [14:31] fuzzbawl: No, but here's the REALLY wierd part.... [14:31] acidchild: haha no [14:31] before you 'lock it down' [14:31] acidchild: dovecot*.conf in /etc was totally exposted to normal users [14:31] chmod 751 /etc [14:31] as was /etc/postfix [14:31] =] [14:31] actually 750 [14:31] oh [14:31] yeah /etc [14:31] :) [14:31] If I associate with WAP1, arp -n shows everything as having WAP0's MAC address. [14:31] only thinkg 751 breaks is tab completion. [14:32] hehe [14:32] 751 does it [14:32] yep [14:32] because you need + [14:32] acidchild: definitely easier than going through everything indivudually [14:32] o+r [14:32] yep [14:32] i've got a perl script [14:32] Well you needd o+x [14:32] gimme 5-10minutes [14:32] to traverse the directory [14:32] for a smoke, then i'll grab it off my AP [14:32] yep. [14:33] k [14:33] biab [14:33] have fun Alan_Hicks [14:33] Alan_Hicks: hrm. I'd throw wireshark between linksys and wap0 and watch for the packets. It sounds like WAP0 is doing something funny with packets that don't come from a directly connected client [14:33] got a pretty massive wiki entry i'm working on that displays how fs traversing protection can fail 75% of foot hold attacks [14:33] acidchild: yeah.. we need to get that up :) [14:33] so I can link to it [14:34] I really need to concetrate on my wiki and get some more stuff on there [14:34] its just on 127.0.0.1 on my dead computer atm [14:34] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] Alan_Hicks: and by "funny" i mean that it's doing proxy ARP or something [14:35] gives the script this 'jail' like effect. makes dealing with the system and asumtions by the script harder/fail [14:35] sysclt -w arp.proxy.fuzzbawl=31337 [14:35] wow so many errors, i fail [14:35] brb [14:37] so now i have my 4th lenovo laptop [14:37] it's only a 1.73ghz core 2 duo, 1 gig of ram [14:37] should i put slackware on it [14:37] jeev, should you even ask that question? [14:37] ;) [14:37] jeev: hrm is that 64bit? [14:37] :) [14:37] i love the windows! [14:37] yes Dominian. [14:38] shit i never downloaded current here [14:38] Wiat for Slackware64's official release and put that on there :) [14:38] why, i have slackware 64 already on [14:38] Linux slack 2.6.30 #2 SMP Sat Jun 13 20:10:00 PDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [14:38] and virtualbox at home [14:38] You have slackare64 already on it? [14:38] or slamd64? [14:38] i have slackware 64 on the system right beside me, im staring at it [14:38] alo [14:38] that's slackware 64. [14:39] I can see that [14:39] also, virtualbox on this system im talking from [14:39] hell, i'm running slack64 on like 4 machines now. including my server. works great [14:39] yea i got 2 drives arriving at the datacenter for that dual iopteron box [14:39] opteron, i dunno if i'll run 64 or 32bit yet [14:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [14:40] i'll use it as my east coast freeswitch to support friends who go to EU and africa [14:40] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@174-159-250-126.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] opteron should... [14:40] i'll install through pxe [14:40] i think that's what im gonna do on this system too, install through pxe since i dont feel like downloading and building 64 iso right now [14:40] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Sorry. Back. [14:42] jeev, you mean you don't have a rsync of every slackware*-current ? :o [14:43] fuzzbawl: Well, that's expected with a bridge. [14:43] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "brb" [14:43] i just did it comrad. it's building.. exxcept im doing it on east coast. [14:43] not locally. [14:43] Alan_Hicks: right, but I'm wondering if it's just not passing the packets onward or something since it's not an immediate client [14:43] Wed Jun 17 11:44:32 PDT 2009 [10797]: Creating DVD ISO image for slackware64-current... [14:44] What I can't understand, is my inability to ping the Linksys router regularly when I'm associated with WAP1, but I *can* ping 100% of the time client workstations connected to the Linksys router via CAT-5 cables. [14:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:44] fuzzbawl: If that were the case, it wouldn't be playing favorites. [14:44] Alan_Hicks: now that is strange. usually in those situations I load DD-WRT on the linksys :D [14:44] Obviously the packets *have* to hit the linksys router if they get through to workstations connected to it. [14:45] fuzzbawl: I've thought about that, but here's the other thing that's really strange. [14:45] jeev, and ? what is the thing with east coast ? [14:45] Alan_Hicks: not exactly. the wifi and lan ports of a linksys are bridged internally [14:45] If I associate with WAP0, I have no trouble communicating with the Linksys at all. Packets reach it 100% (or damn near 100%) of the time. [14:45] slow download [14:46] Dominian: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14682 [14:46] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:46] fuzzbawl: I'm not using wifi on this linksys. [14:46] Dominian: very basic. [14:46] jeev_, the download was pretty fast for me, "local" european mirrors :) [14:46] Alan_Hicks: k. so the WAP0 just plugs into a LAN port on the linksys? or the WAN port? [14:46] fuzzbawl: LAN port on the linksys. I double-checked that. :^) [14:47] Alan_Hicks: use pidgens. [14:47] In fact, I'm associated with WAP0 now. It's the only way I can get on the net here. [14:47] acidchild: OMG I haven't ever heard that one before! [14:48] comrad, noticed usc's (los angeles) mirror didn't have up to date slackware64 [14:48] --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- [14:48] 252 packets transmitted, 251 received, +1 errors, 0% packet loss, time 255981ms [14:48] so im using something else [14:48] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.350/315.746/13100.289/1737.562 ms, pipe 10 [14:48] Alan_Hicks: fail? [14:48] so alienbob's slackware mirror script doesn't work on freebsd [14:48] ^^^^ associated with WAP0. When associated with WAP1, it's more like 40% packet loss, and anytime I'm connecting to the Internet (say an HTTP server) I have 100% ping failures to the router. [14:48] Action: acidchild cries. [14:48] So I wrote it for Slackware [14:49] jeev what error? [14:49] error on -o [14:49] let me paste [14:49] jeev: #!/usr/local/bin/bash [14:49] -o DVD ? [14:49] Duh. [14:49] :^) [14:49] same thing genius, yea alienBlurb, -o anything [14:49] Alan_Hicks: I'm thinking it's something in the linksys then. We have never had good luck with their default firmware. Anytime we hit an issue we load dd-wrt on it and never look back [14:50] http://pastebin.ca/1463787 [14:50] sh mirror-slackware-current.sh -a x86_64 -f -o ALL -m slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware64-current [14:50] that is my command line in update. [14:50] error? [14:50] http://pastebin.ca/1463787 [14:50] Action: jeev kicks acidchild in the forehead [14:50] fuzzbawl: That's the best I can think of as well. I'll give that a shot. Thanks. [14:50] Alan_Hicks: we deal with roughly 150 customers using Linksys devices. We maintain the linksys' at each client site, each one is dd-wrt because of the issues [14:50] Action: acidchild stabs jeev [14:51] die!! [14:51] Alan_Hicks: anytime. [14:52] fuzzzzzzzzzzz [14:52] how goes? [14:52] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] alienBOB, see it ? [14:53] acidchild: not bad. just working through the day. u? [14:54] mmm reading... [14:54] jeev more people complain about that error, always on some freaking other distro [14:54] ah yes, your OLSR [14:54] yep [14:54] It's this line that causes the error: if ! [ "$ISO" == "CDROM" -o "$ISO" == "DVD" -o "$ISO" == "ALL" -o "$ISO" == "NONE" ]; then [14:54] used olsrd? [14:55] acidchild: newp. haven't had a reason to yet [14:55] :) alienBOB, freebsd rules though [14:55] i'll comment that out i guess and force it to do ALL ? [14:55] use your brain mr freebsd rules [14:55] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] acidchild: he doesn't have one. :) [14:56] acidchild: question is.. what else is that going to break? [14:56] die! [14:56] Dominian: not much. [14:56] lol [14:56] meaning "I have no idea?" ? [14:56] Dominian: you need to use your 'staff' group a little [14:56] :) [14:56] pxe just booted ont he laptop, so fast. version 12.34567890 [14:56] what staff group [14:56] Dominian: all my systems have had that script run on them [14:56] :P [14:56] is that 64 current ? [14:56] very very rarely have issues. [14:57] just read it... you can see waht its doing [14:57] yea it is, i'll just install through ftp then slackpkg [14:57] acidchild: Yeah I think part of my instals anymore are going to have a "staff" group [14:57] jeev_: surely you would know what you are booting? [14:57] acidchild: not that it matters right now... grsecurity is taking care of everything including "root" lol [14:57] BP{k}, i forgot what i have set up on pxe here ;) [14:57] Dominian: yhep [14:57] Dominian: /home is important [14:57] aye [14:57] alienBOB, you think it's worth fixing ? [14:57] I'll run that script.. fix whatever it breaks [14:58] I'll have to auth to the grsecurity admin role though hehe [14:58] or you and I will get a flood of "PERMISSIONED DENIED" emails from OSSEC [14:58] :P [14:58] acidchild: you said that was perl? [14:58] yeah... [14:58] sorry, no shebang i know [14:58] heh [14:59] seems i don't need the `'`s [14:59] chmod is a perl call [14:59] jeev you are running bsd - if you find the fix and I can verify that it does not break the script on SLackware then I'll add the fix [14:59] acidchild: I'm getting ready to run it [15:00] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [15:00] ok i'll check it out i guess, i like my west coast bsd box, i can abuse the bandwidth [15:00] my slackware is in my cage and i pay monies for it [15:01] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] snowdonkey (i=1000@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Dominian: go nutz. [15:01] :> [15:01] acidchild: already did [15:01] and it appears to be working [15:02] chmod("-rwsrws---","file1","file2"); [15:02] thats cool [15:02] you didn't do /home in that script :P [15:02] jeev, instead of the line I just pasted (line 326) can you try changing it to this please?: if ! test "$ISO" = "CDROM" -o "$ISO" = "DVD" -o "$ISO" = "ALL" -o "$ISO" = "NONE" ; then [15:02] yea, sec [15:02] because my OS i'm building doesn't have /home :P [15:02] caio (n=caio@190.244.36.136) joined ##slackware. [15:03] haha [15:03] acidchild: so 751 for /home too eh? [15:03] yep [15:03] like you can do 711 [15:03] but if its root:root doesn't make alot of diffrence. [15:03] why 75? [15:03] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [15:04] oooo I like that [15:04] by the way alienBOB there were more errors, i'll show but let me see [15:04] test: ALL: unexpected operator [15:04] acidchild: well by definition everythin gis usually owned root.root so 751 is fine [15:04] setting it to 711 may break some other stuff [15:04] thrice`: displays file listings... for the group users. [15:04] like i was saying above to Dominian, you can use groups to allow degrees of access [15:04] right [15:05] no'wai [15:05] but with grsecurity enabled and perms on /etc / /home as 751.. not much to be worried about [15:05] YAH WAI [15:05] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-67-180.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] on and /tmp mounted noexec,nosuid in an "image" file [15:05] mohaa (i=1000@92.49.77.71) joined ##slackware. [15:05] any more stolen ideas? [15:05] jk *runs* [15:07] shaddup [15:07] ;P [15:07] I'm going to wiki a lot of this [15:07] including that perl script [15:07] the image file for /tmp.. grsecurity policy etc etc [15:07] trying to find the source for [15:07] declare -rx LD_PRELOAD="/usr/local/lib/ioctl.so" [15:07] alienBOB, it passes that point but it has a lot of yes: no unexpected operators and stuff [15:08] http://pastebin.ca/1463818 [15:08] Dominian: it blocks access to IOctl... [15:08] so ifconfig/iproute related details/ips etc on the machine [15:08] what? [15:08] but i found a bypass by running commands out of a bash enviroment. [15:08] you lost me [15:09] you don't want people to do '/sbin/ifconfig' and see what ips are on a machine [15:09] but chmoding ifconfig/ip etc is rather pointless when you can perl-fu something to read via proc. [15:09] with with grsecurity.. it doesn't allow tha tanyway :P [15:09] yes it does [15:09] uhh no [15:09] try it [15:09] yes =P [15:09] as a regular user [15:09] okey ;) [15:10] :) [15:10] lool, kk your right [15:10] hehe [15:10] [(14:11:50)(~)] uname -r [15:10] 2.4.34-grsec [15:10] i'm working on 2.4.x [15:10] I limited access to /proc [15:11] ldpreload is required... even with /proc protection and grsec [15:11] yeah .. well this is slackware 12.2.. no way I'm downgrading back to 2.4 hehe [15:11] and idealy, needs a openssh hack to remove 'ssh', 'hostname', 'command' [15:11] well then wouldn't it be: declare -rx LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/ioctl.so" [15:11] for slackware? [15:11] or are you going on about your AP again? [15:11] jeev, what if line 326 changes to this?: if ! echo "CDROM DVD ALL NONE" | grep -wq $ISO ; then [15:11] no, a redhat 9 box [15:11] :P [15:11] grsec only works on 2.4? [15:12] no [15:12] is that sort of a burn? [15:12] antiwire: no [15:12] ok [15:12] alienBOB, want access to the box? heh.. i think the iso part worked [15:12] antiwire: 2.4.x versions of grsecurity are considered extremely stable. [15:12] ah [15:12] antiwire: the 2.6.x kernel versions are fine.. using it now [15:12] Dominian: declare no [15:12] export [15:12] export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/ioctl.so [15:12] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [15:12] readonly HISTFILE LD_PRELOAD [15:12] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:12] ok, I was about to say [15:12] acidchild (n=acid@209.146.233.10) joined ##slackware. [15:12] heh [15:12] take a hike acidchild, we don't want your pasty kind here. [15:13] in your /etc/profile. [15:13] acidchild: well I'm not that freakin' paranoid.. especially on slackadelic [15:13] Action: acidchild is PARANOID >><< [15:13] http://pastebin.ca/1463818 <- before i added if ! echo "CDROM DVD ALL NONE" | grep -wq $ISO ; then [15:13] With grsecurity the permissions and the policy lock down.. its not needed [15:13] i updated md5's location.. [15:13] acidchild: however.. on you r AP.. would make sense. [15:13] you can't do anything on my AP without running commands via my SSH shell i did in perl. [15:13] right [15:14] whole thing is abit paranoid tbh [15:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [15:14] lol [15:14] acidchild: coming from you.. that makes perfect sense :) [15:14] acidchild: you putting this stuff into your wiki? [15:14] yep [15:14] good [15:15] i'm doing an RND, so i have to [15:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [15:15] you get about 25k back for every 100k spent [15:15] from the *.gov guys [15:15] that reminds me, need to fix my IPv6 tunnel [15:16] alienBOB, i changed all the =='s to = and no error, lets see [15:16] Action: acidchild stabs jeev_ [15:16] so far it's running [15:16] something inside me really wants to hurt you [15:16] i should go take my medication [15:16] acidchild, i'll step on you and use you as a chair [15:16] jk lol [15:16] LOL [15:16] i'd like to see you try [15:16] jeev, you'r using this now? if ! echo "CDROM DVD ALL NONE" | grep -wq $ISO ; then [15:17] negative alienBOB [15:17] i used the first one you told me [15:17] Which one then [15:17] With the == changed to = [15:18] Please paste the line here that you are using with success [15:18] im grabbing it sorry got a call [15:19] if ! test "$ISO" = "CDROM" -o "$ISO" = "DVD" -o "$ISO" = "ALL" -o "$ISO" = "NONE" ; then [15:19] that's what i did [15:19] Dominian: check in /tmp/ for 'profile' [15:19] then everything else that had == i changed to = [15:19] alienBOB: you mean "Hey. Nice shoes. Wanna..." [15:19] don't release. [15:19] ? [15:19] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:20] fuzzbawl: ? [15:20] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.61.82) joined ##slackware. [15:20] fuzzbawl is drunk [15:21] alienBOB you said to insert the line that gave me success [15:21] lol [15:21] jeev, hardly. I've not broke into singing songs by Boston or Journey. I haven't been drinking, let alone drunk [15:21] some people will never able to take a joke [15:22] drunk [15:22] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [15:24] fallen (i=POG@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [15:25] fallen: hey fella :) [15:25] alienBOB: hello. could you tell me if there is any specific reason for not including (or compiling) the static lib from sqlite? [15:26] (slack 12.2) [15:26] fallen: Slackware tries to avoid including static libraries [15:26] snowdonkey (i=1000@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] hummm [15:27] because they are fat. [15:27] ld gets a bit lost when trying to static-link something with it [15:27] i currently have 180 static libraries in /usr/lib =) [15:29] alienBOB: thanks for the info :) [15:30] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:33] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:34] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] acidchild: you could've put that in /root/documents if you wanted [15:38] acidchild: just have to auth to the grsecurity admin role first [15:39] acidchild: just took care of getting that out of /tmp for you ;P [15:39] acidchild: PM? [15:41] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-150-69.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Dominian: sure. [15:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.13.170.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] Dominian: i just scp foo foo@foo.org:/tmp [15:41] ;) [15:41] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] ok another question. I just downloaded and unzipped nexiuz to /home/user/games/nexiuz [15:41] but when i run it i get permission denied [15:41] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] i checked the folder/files and it shows i'm the owner [15:42] Vic1ous, chmod +x ? [15:42] i shouldn't have to do that if i'm the owner tho right>? [15:42] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-19-129-196.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] you have to do that, no matter you are the user or not [15:43] chmod +x the_game_executable [15:43] hey guys :) [15:43] hey fluxnuk3r [15:43] hey fluxnuk3r [15:43] :) [15:43] hey firebird619, hows it going? [15:43] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [15:43] going alright, thank. yourself? I'm just working on e-mail issues again. :( [15:43] s/thank/thanks/ [15:43] sorry i'm trying to learn as i go so what ever i install i have to run chmod +x to give me permissions? [15:44] nah, that makes it executable [15:44] chmod 775 or 777 or your username gives you permissions [15:44] (is 777 right?) [15:44] ok i got you [15:45] so i run chmod +x nexiuz-linux-glx.sh [15:45] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [15:45] right? [15:45] Vic1ous, man chmod will tell you more [15:45] ok [15:45] always forget about the man command [15:45] Vic1ous: that will make it executable, then do an "sh filename.sh" or "./filename.sh" [15:46] anyone know what the difference between those is? [15:46] lol [15:47] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [15:47] alright i did that but when i run sh filename.sh or ./ i get permission denied [15:47] v4nelle (n=van@adsl150-187.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] change permissions and use "sh" [15:47] go into root and do a "chmod Vic1ous filename.sh" [15:47] same thing and i'm the owner of the files and folder [15:48] ls -l it [15:48] yeah it says i'm the owner [15:48] o.O [15:49] paste in here the output of "ls -l nexiuz-linux-glx.sh" [15:49] dont run nexuiz as root =) [15:49] -rwxr-xr-x 1 vic1ous users 2104 2009-06-18 14:29 nexuiz-linux-glx.sh [15:50] where is that file ? [15:50] full path [15:50] /home/vic1ous/Games [15:50] /home/vic1ous/Games/Nexuiz/ [15:50] k [15:50] u always have the weirdest problems [15:51] lmao [15:51] i know =[ [15:51] lol [15:51] seriously why would i be getting permission denied lol [15:51] what is the script trying to do ? [15:51] try and recursively changed the folder contents? [15:52] change* [15:52] do you get permission denied running the script, or something the script is trying to do ? [15:52] pretty sure just trying to run the script [15:53] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] nexuiz-linux-glx.sh: line 121: /home/vic1ous/Games/Nexuiz/nexuiz-linux-686-glx: Permission denied [15:53] paste the script in pastebin.com [15:53] mm [15:53] ls -l that file [15:54] DeeeeP: its the whole game installer isnt it? [15:54] thats a long script to post.. [15:54] ok , paste line 121 of the script [15:55] if that's a file, make sure it's +x . [15:55] looks like it's trying to install something -> wants to be run as root ? [15:55] http://pastebin.com/m2479d4a0 [15:55] oops [15:55] thats the whole script [15:55] exec "$@" [15:55] thats all thats on line 121 [15:55] hannah_irina (n=hannah@unaffiliated/hannahirina/x-7854734) joined ##slackware. [15:55] hello i install webmin, but how i can delete ? i want to remove [15:56] how did you install? [15:56] it was just supposed to be unzipped [15:56] Vic1ous: ls -l /home/vic1ous/Games/Nexuiz/nexuiz-linux-686-glx [15:56] er.. nexuiz is on sbo iirc [15:56] with netpkg thrice` [15:56] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-210-66.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] -rw-r--r-- 1 vic1ous users 1918096 2009-06-18 14:29 /home/vic1ous/Games/Nexuiz/nexuiz-linux-686-glx [15:57] mannynix: It is: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/nexuiz/ [15:57] Vic1ous: try chmod +x on that (as root) [15:57] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-152-37.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] thrice`: with netpkg [15:57] firebird619: right [15:57] sorry, I don't know what netpkg is [15:57] o.O [15:58] Since when is using netpkg on Slackware.... supported hannah_irina ? [15:58] (nor will I bother to look up what it is. if you want to use it, surely you can figure it out) [15:58] Isn't netpkg used in Zenwalk? [15:58] nope same thing [15:58] thrice`: http://wiki.zenwalk.org/index.php?title=HOWTO_use_netpkg [15:58] hannah_irina: Zenwalk is not Slackware [15:58] hannah_irina: this isn't zenwalk's support [15:58] hannah_irina: check their forums and irc if you need Zenwalk help [15:58] yes but how i can delete webmin [15:58] hannah_irina: and don't say "But Zenwalk is based on Slackware" [15:59] hannah_irina: This is Slackware support.. not Zenwalk. Go bug Zenwalk users. [15:59] lol [15:59] ok [16:00] actually thrice [16:00] that was it [16:00] why didn't i have permissions for that tho? [16:00] thanks btw [16:00] hannah_irina (n=hannah@unaffiliated/hannahirina/x-7854734) left irc: [16:00] I hope you're not asking me that question :) I have no idea, of course [16:01] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Man.. I remember why I never tried Zenwalk.. [16:01] no real support for it [16:01] why did I know she wasn't using slackware as soons as she asked here question [16:01] lol i was [16:01] eh [16:01] zenwalk lists its irc channel as being on freenode [16:01] but its.. totally empty [16:02] userbase: you [16:02] Dominian: until hannah_irina, then population 1. :P [16:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:02] firebird619: nope.. no one even in there now [16:03] wow [16:03] neBu (i=memoryma@89.114.138.19) joined ##slackware. [16:03] hello [16:03] hello [16:03] who can't help me [16:03] neBu: State your problem first. [16:03] i wanna uninstall webmin form my server, [16:03] lol [16:03] wow, what a coincidence [16:04] i'm a biginer :) [16:04] hahaha [16:04] let me guess, you run slackware ??? [16:04] yes [16:04] i knew you'd answer correctly this time ;) [16:04] how did you install webmin ? [16:04] neBu, easy ... slackpkg remove webadmin [16:04] :)))))) [16:05] neBu: "removepkg webmin" [16:05] huh? [16:05] neBu: What version of Slackware are you running? [16:05] yes, thats the command u need to run , to uninstall it [16:05] just type removepkg webmin [16:05] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-212.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] ok, wait [16:05] k [16:05] lol [16:05] cmair (n=cmair@host21-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] neBu: Or you could've done research on Zenwalk like we told you to [16:06] neBu: instead thinking we're idiots or something. [16:06] cmair (n=cmair@host21-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:06] neBu: removepkg: command not found right? [16:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:06] :) [16:07] cmair (n=cmair@host21-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:07] by the way, your netpkg how-to site that you linked me has a section for "how to remove packages" :\ [16:07] yes [16:07] was found [16:07] wait [16:07] for what? [16:08] What do we need to wait for [16:08] ? [16:08] You think we're idiots. [16:08] lies dont come easy ... he need think to make something up [16:08] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:08] to think * [16:08] DeeeeP: for some it comes easy. :P [16:08] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.61.82) left irc: Connection timed out [16:08] yeah :) [16:08] but in this case, eh, not so much. :P [16:08] hmm [16:09] I type 99 words per minute apparently [16:09] y0 grekkos [16:09] yo [16:09] grekkos, prove it ! [16:09] grekkos: Slowass. [16:09] now, you have one minute to type 99 words on this channel [16:09] grekkos: Pick up the pace to compete with a typing monster like me. [16:09] lol [16:09] 990WPM [16:09] hahahaha [16:09] eviljames: are your fingers smokin? :P [16:09] well i did the test on speedtest.10-fast-fingers.com [16:09] so who knows [16:09] do you have any fingerprints left? [16:10] * eviljames copied the whole Bible in two hours and a half [16:10] it said they are also the most common words or something to that extent [16:10] firebird619: I quit smoking a few months ago. Feel a fair bit better now, I can actually jog & stuff. [16:10] :P, I meant your fingers smoking from typing so fast, but good for you on quitting. [16:10] eviljames, good :) [16:10] Camarade_Tux: I was going to make a reference to how many bibles I can copy, but I figured it wouldn't have been that funny. [16:10] Camarade_Tux: I stand corrected :D [16:11] firebird619: heh, I was going for lulz with that one. [16:11] alienBOB, mkisofs :/ [16:11] myiagy (n=myiagy@187-26-21-23.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:11] eviljames: yeah. :) [16:11] What kind of stupid OS are you running jeev that has no mkisofs [16:11] eviljames :P [16:11] I've reached the end of my willingness to code around the deficiencies of other distros [16:11] tell me it's cent so i can be angry [16:15] so we'll never see a Wubi.exe for slack? :( [16:15] running it again, freebsd. i installed it [16:15] it's creating DVD now i think [16:16] I was doing some testing and I backed up my ~/.kde directory then deleted the whole thing. When I log back into kde as that user I don't get the same default settings that I get when the user was first created. Does anyone know why that is the case? On initial setup my mute and vol buttons worked but after deleting ~/.kde and restarting kde they are broken. [16:16] It have the backup of the whole .kde but i'm just wondering why i don't get the same defaults this way [16:17] antiwire: I had to go enable the keyboard settings to make that happen [16:17] the volume controls and such, and change that around. Is it possible you had a stale config file there before? [16:17] eviljames: It wasn't stale this time, my initial reinstall was sane from the get go [16:17] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] I just can't figure out why kde wouldn't use the same defaults after the fact you know [16:18] freack (n=frk@189.58.217.177) joined ##slackware. [16:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] Another perplexing thing is that after deleting .kde, kmix defaults to operating on PCM instead of Master [16:19] did you have a .kderc, or anything in .config/ ? [16:19] but that also wasn't the case upon a clean install [16:19] ah [16:19] nothing, the clean install had everything working initially and I thought removing .kde would cause the same thing to happen [16:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:19] cmair_ (n=cmair@host211-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:19] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Does anyone know where I would manually set the default channel for kde/kmix? [16:20] That is odd. Maybe it's set to $keyboard_layout = totally_random(); [16:20] PCM doesn't mute everything [16:20] eviljames: lol that's almost what I thought [16:20] date: illegal option -- - [16:20] usage: date [-jnu] [-d dst] [-r seconds] [-t west] [-v[+|-]val[ymwdHMS]] ... [16:20] [-f fmt date | [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]HH]MM[.ss]] [+format] [16:20] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [16:20] alienBOB [16:20] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:20] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [16:20] -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3837454336 Jun 17 13:18 /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Slackware/slackware64-current-iso/slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso [16:20] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [16:21] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.131.74) joined ##slackware. [16:21] jeev the date error will not be fatal. [16:21] Since I do have the backup I'm all good. I just thought it was silly that a clean install has all my keys working while rm'ing .kde basically causes different defaults to be used. [16:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Apparently the date in bsd does not accept "--date" as a parameter. [16:22] eviljames: So you went into keyboard/mouse settings and just reset it all up? [16:22] under global or what? [16:23] If I was near the machine I'd give you step by step, but it is in the system settings. [16:23] I had to use a custom one for the laptop [16:23] got it. [16:23] eviljames: as long as i'm not going crazy about this...you seem to have experienced the same thing [16:24] Action: thrice` still doesn't have much luck with kde4 [16:24] I experience a fair bit of random behaviour. I change around the panel first thing [16:24] and the icons I added to the panel shift order randomly, at random times. [16:24] Not a huge deal, but it is curious. [16:24] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] The part that gets me almost laughing is..wtf sets the initial clean install settings that doesn't set those same settings after deleting .kde? [16:24] it's a WTF for me [16:25] cmair (n=cmair@host21-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:25] Nick change: cmair_ -> cmair [16:26] alienBOB md5's mismatch is an issue? im running on slack and fbsd, i'll see now if DVD comes out [16:27] Greetings guys ;) hows it going? [16:28] hi, im going to cheat blatantly on a chess website just to feel good about myself. :D i've been looking at the Crafty engine because it's compatible with XBoard and seems to be the more popular engine-- it should come with slackware, then, right? [16:28] antiwire: i seem to recall... kde4 stores the settings in ~/.local, but i could be wrong [16:29] cmair (n=cmair@host211-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [16:30] I see the kmix rc along with a load of others in .kde/share/config/ but my question is what the heck sets those up correctly initially but doesn't do so after I delete all of .kde [16:30] fuzzbawl: Any reason you prefer dd-wrt over openwrt? [16:30] and how would I set the default kde/kmix channel without knowing anything about the kmixrc format? [16:30] neBu (i=memoryma@89.114.138.19) left ##slackware. [16:30] antiwire: sorry, i'm a bit late to the conversation, but are you using kde4 or kde3? [16:31] rg3: kde4 [16:31] rg3: Initially, after a clean install kde4 setups up my vol/mute buttons correctly. If i later delete ~/.kde and restart X, it uses different initial settings [16:31] Alan_Hicks: haven't really played with openwrt. We didn't feel it was very mature code at the time we started replacing firmware so we went dd-wrt. openwrt could very well be just as fine now though [16:32] I can't figure out why it doesn't use the same settings as it does initially [16:32] fuzzbawl: Well, dd-wrt is based on openwrt from what I understand. *shrug* Thanks though. [16:32] antiwire: i don't know why it's re-creating the stuff in ~/.kde, but, like i said, i think you have to take ~/.local into account, which probably wasn't there when you launched kde4 for the first time, but is there everytime you remove ~/.kde [16:32] cmair (n=cmair@host211-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Alan_Hicks: i may be thinking of something else then [16:33] rg3: i looked, .local has no settings in it that relate this this [16:33] I'll test this theory though [16:33] fuzzbawl: Yeah, there's lots of different options. FreeWRT for example. [16:33] rg3: .local should be auto generated along with .kde, if i rm them both...right? [16:33] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3838111744 2009-06-17 13:26 /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Slackware/slackware64-current-iso/slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso [16:33] -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3838062592 Jun 17 13:29 /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Slackware/slackware64-current-iso/slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso [16:33] same mirror :/ [16:33] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [16:33] i guess it's the file system [16:33] antiwire: yes, please, try to remove .local in addition to .kde (maybe with another user account) and see if it makes a difference [16:34] rg3: k few mins [16:34] brb [16:34] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] freewrt could it be installed in most routers..? or specific ones? [16:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [16:34] confrey (n=dario@94.163.133.42) joined ##slackware. [16:34] hi everbody [16:35] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:35] evenin [16:36] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] hey. i just installed slackware 12.2 with all of the packages. when i start KDE by typing "startx", it starts with the resolution really low(1240x768 i believe). i edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf and added some larger resolutions under the Display subsection and restarted KDE, but i still can't select higher than 1024x768 in the display settings. [16:36] Xorg says it is using the /etc/X11/xorg.conf configuration file, so i am not sure what I am doing wrong. [16:36] did you set the appropriate driver? [16:37] i didn't change the driver [16:37] i believe it is set to vesa [16:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:37] :( [16:37] rg3: you're a pimp. [16:37] does it not support higher resolutions? [16:37] what's a pimp? [16:37] zaltekk: I'd start with a config file from "X -configure" [16:37] rg3: pluggable introsexual mastication protocol [16:37] okay. and that will autodetect rather than me trying to change the default config? [16:37] rm'ing .local AND .kde allow it to create the same good defaults as a fresh install. [16:37] rg3: thanks man [16:38] eviljames: ^^ [16:38] oh, so it's a good thing? [16:38] :) [16:38] good! [16:38] yes [16:38] antiwire: ahhh, cool. [16:39] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [16:39] .local seemed to be the demon container [16:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] the banshies from the depths of hades live there. [16:40] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-132-51-70.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] anyway, gotta go. see you guys [16:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] jeev what md5 mismatch [16:44] thrice`: thanks. the xorg.conf generated by X -configure worked great. [16:45] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039BE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] how can I restart services in slackware? [16:46] myiagy (n=myiagy@187-26-21-23.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: [16:46] /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX restart [16:46] /etc/rc.d/rc.SERVICE restart [16:46] thanks [16:46] rc.pr0n :) [16:46] heh [16:47] oh, I see, it's rc.conficker_botnet_control :) [16:47] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039BE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:48] yep, I wrote a bot and put it everywhere, but I dont know how to control it :P [16:49] it was ssh, to clear that up ;) [16:49] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:50] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:50] hi im really worried, whats this about? http://www.pastebin.ca/1464034 [16:50] stealth-, hope you're controlling it through tor [16:50] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.131.74) left irc: "Leaving." [16:51] missyjane, "nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel." or the intel agp thing ? [16:51] girl kernel? lol [16:51] all of it [16:51] i named the network girl [16:51] OR the ext3 thing, or everything ? ;p [16:51] :P [16:51] Action: dtanner taints kernel. [16:51] fallen (i=POG@unaffiliated/thefallen) left ##slackware. [16:51] i usually dont check my syslog but when i did, i saw those stuff, dunno what to do with it [16:52] missyjane: that message about nvidia driver taints kernel is bulloni from the GPL zealots [16:52] the nvidia taint kernel message is nothing. [16:52] oh alright, then, what about the others? [16:52] Well, it means that the module was loaded. :P [16:52] Pig_Pen, but I agree with it, and it mostly means "bugs may come from that dirty beast" [16:52] nheco (n=nheco@189.73.189.163) joined ##slackware. [16:52] missyjane, ever recompiled kernel or upgraded kernel ? [16:53] ews135 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:53] Camarade_Tux:, the GPL is a good philosophy but a terrible religion that if refuse to worship [16:53] Pig_Pen, but the nvidia module is annoying and not always very stable [16:54] I'm sure there wouldn't be such a message if proprietary modules were kept in sync with the kernel [16:54] Camarade_Tux: i dont have a problem running the nvidia video driver, and dont give a damn what you think anyway [16:54] Pig_Pen, we agree then ;) [16:54] Camarade_Tux, no [16:55] btw, nvidia.ko is loaded here [16:55] hfz682 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Nick change: hfz682 -> dbp232 [16:55] Camarade_Tux: And what are you comparing this "stable" statement to? ATI? LMAO! [16:56] um please help, is it ok to overlook the errors in the pastebin? [16:57] missyjane: if your video & screen resolution is doing good then i would not worry about it too much, it is just a few unknown symbols causing log noise [16:57] missyjane: I think thats what a few people have told you. [16:57] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] oh [16:58] alright, then [16:59] ty [16:59] what about the last part? how can i run e2fsck? [16:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:00] that should run automatically during boot, but you can run it manually if you want, umount that disk partition first though! [17:00] im gonna reboot now, ty everybody! [17:00] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-212.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] paladin (n=paladin@cust-141-80.on3.ontelecoms.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:03] agentc0re|work1, no, not to ati, to vesafb ;p [17:03] how can i make sshd run on boot? (no graphic environment) [17:03] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd ? [17:03] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [17:03] was an option during install [17:04] TwinReverb, pwned ! [17:04] paladin, please read the slackware handbook [17:04] eviljames, gotta write ten pages and then on tomorrow morning, don't you want to help me, it should be easy with your 990WPM :D [17:05] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) left irc: "OH FUCK" [17:05] i have collected enough bookmarks through the years that it is just craziness. The internet is too big! [17:05] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] there is no spoon [17:05] Camarade_Tux: You can't think fast enough to fill up my typing buffer. [17:05] eviljames: :P [17:05] wow..thats 890 more than me [17:06] typomania [17:06] dtanner: Firefox + Xmarks plugin ftw [17:06] thats about the same here [17:06] dtanner: i quit keeping bookmarks in the browser's bookmark, now i keep a simple html page full of URLs [17:06] Dominian: i will check i tout [17:06] eviljames, I'll fill you [17:06] erm... yours* -_- [17:06] ohgodno [17:06] I hate to say it, but I find delicious.com works great for bookmarks [17:06] dtanner: xmarks is nice.. allows you to securely sync passwords and bookmarks... [17:06] dtanner: between firefox installations .. very easily [17:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] i make that html page full of URLs the home page and that is the only bookmark i have [17:07] Action: TwinReverb doesn't sync passwords: he simply remembers them [17:08] makes it easier to share the URLs on various browsers and user accounts and copy to a flashdrive and put on other PCs [17:08] Action: eviljames just uses "love" for all his passwords [17:09] sex or god are my favorites [17:09] noone will ever guess them [17:09] Definitely not. Those are pretty rare passwords. [17:09] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Thirteen cases of bubonic plague have been recorded in eastern Libya, near the border with Egypt [17:09] i personally like the spacebar [17:09] hm it doesnt seem to run fsck automatically... [17:09] why are you guys referencing the movie Hackers? [17:09] Action: TwinReverb prefers alphanumeric 8-character passwords [17:10] fuzzbawl: indeed, the password of " " is pretty secure. [17:10] missyjane, fsck what? [17:10] agentc0re|work1: Because it is a masterpiece of cinematic genius. A true to life harrowing experience of technopunks on the verge of societal collapse. [17:10] ; <--That is a secure password [17:10] root [17:10] eviljames: excellent verbage. [17:10] if you can see it. [17:11] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:11] um eviljames you're on crack 8-) [17:11] missyjane: now the password... come on.... [17:11] no no [17:11] im trying to fsck the root [17:11] lol [17:11] heh [17:11] root = / [17:11] haha [17:11] missyyyyyyyyyyyy [17:11] eviljames: Well as long as they believe in timecube, they are A O K! [17:11] you go girl [17:11] not root woa)923jao@# [17:11] oh **** thats my password [17:11] omg your social engineering works! here are my passwords! [17:11] jk [17:12] Nick change: agentc0re|work1 -> agentc0re|work [17:12] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] /dev/sda4 has been mounted 179 times without being checked, check forced. [17:12] Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes [17:12] is 179 a lot? [17:13] the special character i posted, what did it look like to anyone else? [17:13] agentc0re|work: ??X?? [17:13] looks like a @ [17:13] Ah [17:13] missyjane, ext2 / ext3 / ext4 ? [17:13] i did a ascii code char in windows. alt+258 [17:13] its ext3 [17:13] was a box for me [17:13] then pasted into pidgin and it turned into a black smiley face. [17:14] should've picked something better 8-P [17:14] very productive [17:14] gustavopimp (n=IceChat7@187-27-224-143.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:14] i dont feel like being productive lately myself [17:15] dtanner: Me either... [17:15] i been reading this book -> The Necessity of Madness and Unproductivity: Psychiatric Oppression or Human Transformation [17:15] You read? [17:15] i am learning [17:15] geez, you're more productive than me. [17:15] :P [17:16] how can i make sshd run on boot? (no graphic environment) [17:16] why am i still in pass 1? is it normal for fsck to take thi slong? [17:16] you are more productive than you say you are. [17:16] missyjane, sometimes [17:16] paladin: several people already told you [17:16] it's just normal [17:16] alright [17:16] scroll back paladin [17:16] missyjane: it can take a while. [17:16] alternately, next time pick XFS 8-) [17:16] missyjane: no, unless there is an issue. [17:16] pfft, JFS FTW [17:16] The real question is: "Is it normal that every time I see fsck I think of cursewords now?" [17:16] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] dtanner: how can i scroll back in irssi? [17:16] eviljames: it is normal. [17:16] paladin: pgup/pgdn [17:17] sigh i am worried [17:17] worry is no good fo ryou [17:17] gustavopimp (n=IceChat7@187-27-224-143.3g.claro.net.br) left ##slackware. [17:17] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Yeah, stress is a killer. I think if you choose to lead a stress free life you'll live WAYYY longer. [17:17] therefore you will give me a massage while i wait [17:17] sure [17:17] agentc0re|work, XFS > JFS (per benchmarks; unless your computer has a processor slower than 1.5GHz, because my old laptop still sees an improvement using XFS) [17:17] I think i've watched a little bit too much of the IT Crowd and have been trying to impersonate them lately. [17:18] eviljames, i would think a life without stress would be worse [17:18] TwinReverb: ZFS > XFS (per anecdotal evidence, but the feature set dominates) [17:18] spiffytech (i=spiffyte@pilot.trilug.org) joined ##slackware. [17:18] stress is part of life. i say you learn how to deal with it positively [17:18] Action: TwinReverb stabs eviljames [17:18] cmair (n=cmair@host211-58-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:18] TwinReverb: Wrong, i've found reports other wise. Personally i would think that they are very similar. [17:18] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] deal with it by moving to Jamaica [17:18] What is the best FS (security) for /home ? [17:18] That might be a better way to put it, but I know that my stress-free (relatively) lifestyle is going to keep me young until I'm old! [17:18] 0 bad blocks 11 large files <-- what does large files refer to?.. [17:19] ... Large files? [17:19] lol how large is large? [17:19] like, ones bigger than your house! [17:19] large and very small [17:19] LARGE! [17:19] agentc0re|work, the ext4 versus XFS benchmarks were telling: they're about the same in performance [17:19] missyjane have you and The-Croupier hooked up yet? [17:19] Thom1, i don't think it's FS so much as it's encryption and/or options [17:19] Have you see The-Croupier around lately? [17:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.196.41) joined ##slackware. [17:19] TwinReverb: BTO i'll probably switch to ext4 once i update/upgrade my Slackware servers. [17:20] Action: TwinReverb uses sda2 as a LUKS partition with LVM2 on top of it for swap and /home (XFS) [17:20] Dominian: yes he was here lastnight. [17:20] ext3 is doing fine for me [17:20] chopp, no... i.. hardly know The-Croupier [17:20] agentc0re|work, cool, and i have the same performance as you will have right now 8-) [17:20] chopp: last night... [17:20] xfs is better than reiserfs-3.6 ? [17:20] yeah yeah [17:20] whats the difference between e2fsk and fsck? [17:20] Thom1: Well, it won't kill your data, that's for sure ;) [17:20] Thom1, usually, unless (per the benchmarks) you have lots and lots of small files [17:20] Action: eviljames goes for the obvious jokes. [17:21] reiser is fine.. so is xfs.. just depends on your needs [17:21] i used ReiserFS for years, only about a year ago switched to XFS [17:21] missyjane: manpage [17:21] i notice an increase in performance but then again XFS caches heavily [17:21] TwinReverb: Ya, i guess it will be a downgrade to what i have now since my JFS is faster than yours. :P [17:21] it may not work for someone who is either not using a laptop with a functional battery and/or someone not using a UPC for their desktop [17:22] Thom1, encryption? [17:22] VampirePenguin, not yet [17:22] agentc0re|work, not hardly 8-P [17:22] fs wars [17:22] ok [17:22] i use jfs for / and ext 3 for /home [17:22] looks like all is well :D [17:22] Oh, very hardly. [17:22] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] vic1ous_ (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] i would highly recommend reading alienBOB's README.crypt, etc, as it shows you how to make /home and swap and even (almost) your entire hard drive encrypted [17:22] ok ty [17:22] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:23] granted i don't necessarily recommend 256bit AES like in the README but otherwise it's excellent [17:23] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:23] shitty thing about XFS, JFS (and i think reiserFS) you can't shrink the partition once formatted while you can with ext2/3 [17:23] ReiserFS can grow OR shrink [17:23] agentc0re|work, but i dont need too for / i know how big its gonna be [17:23] Oh okay, i couldn't remember. [17:23] TwinReverb, why don't you recommend 256bit AES ? [17:24] but honestly do you need to grow and shrink all the time? probably not. if you do, you may want to consider a bigger hard drive 8-) [17:24] Thom1, because the military uses 128 for SECRET level stuff. seriously, that's probably plenty [17:24] most people here only want to deny someone the ability to steal the stuff on their drive, for which 128 is fine [17:24] VampirePenguin: Oh, i was just saying that for everyone not really directed towards you. I use JFS here for everything at work and for everything at home. [17:24] Thom1, i use fuse/encfs in /home and build a container, its hidden, and all the file/folder names are encrypted, its fast [17:24] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] there are no hacks yet for 128 so you've got nothing to worry about [17:24] i use jfs bc its dependable [17:24] jeev - I uploaded an updated version of mirror-slackware-current.sh that should not have any errors on your bsd (provided you set a correct path to md5sum if that is different from Slackware's path) [17:25] TwinReverb, ok ok [17:25] I use my .45 Ruger for encryption. :D [17:25] heh [17:25] paladin (n=paladin@cust-141-80.on3.ontelecoms.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] well the fuse container is dynamic.. so it gorws/shrinks as filled [17:26] mines in blowfish 256 i think [17:26] VampirePenguin: Same here. I've had many power losses without a UPS and have lost nothing. There's only been one time where i've had a powerloss and had to reinstall. [17:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:26] VampirePenguin, and the other FS aren't? 8-P [17:26] TwinReverb: i think XFS has more issues with powerloss than JFS. [17:26] XFS caches heavily so you may need to watch yourself. the result, however, is speed, which i can definitely justify, since i have a laptop (so i have "battery backup" 8-) ) [17:27] omw home [17:27] yeah but it caches heavily, which is why it's faster (duh) [17:27] can anyone tell me why I cant ssh into my slackware machine? this is the output of the client: http://pastebin.ca/1464087 and this is my sshd config on the server http://pastebin.ca/1464088 [17:27] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:27] well i mean dependable like ext2/3, reiser is but a lot of ppl are hopping onto ext4 and i dont think its tested enough ... i like my data [17:27] and why it probably also uses less battery power [17:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.234) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i'm surprised there's not a "mandatory hard drive spin-down" setting in the kernel yet [17:27] i.e. cache to RAM [17:28] you dont have AllowUser blah line [17:28] and i would lower your login time to like 20secs [17:28] why? [17:28] y do you owant someon to have 2mins to hack [17:28] stealth-, check ssh server, check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny, check firewall, check your internet service provider [17:29] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-a956990f41a4dad6) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:29] you may need to move to a dynamic (1025-65535) port # with some ISPs [17:29] check your port forwarding from router [17:29] and some ISPs filter by protocol also so you may not be able to get around it [17:29] TwinReverb: its through my LAN, so no ISP issue, and no firewall, but il check those files, one second [17:29] wahooooo8: k [17:29] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.23.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] VampirePenguin: ^ [17:31] Ya i would highly suggest changing your ssh port from 22 to something else, ie 2222 [17:31] TwinReverb: they are both empty except for the comment line [17:31] agentc0re|work: its on 1690 [17:31] hmm then that should probably not matter [17:31] :S [17:31] is firewall allowing in traffic? [17:32] no firewall, I can log in with password [17:32] iptables -L -n says that your default policies are ALLOW? [17:33] all say accept [17:33] stealth-, are you using the -v switch [17:33] for ssh [17:33] what am i looking for with th e ^ [17:33] VampirePenguin: yes, I posted a bastebin http://pastebin.ca/1464087 [17:34] s/bastebin/pastebin [17:34] stealth-, you're specifying what port for the client to use, right? (with ssh) [17:34] TwinReverb: yes [17:35] i would say its because you dont have the AllowUsers line [17:35] bc your hitting your box up to password [17:35] so you dont have an acct somewhere [17:36] um, so add in a AllowUsers stealth line? [17:36] you just need shell access for that user no /home [17:36] stealth-: have you tried dropping your firewall long enough to see if you can login via ss with no firewall? [17:36] ya at the bottom of the sshd file [17:36] AloowUsers stealth [17:36] AllowUsers stealth [17:36] k [17:36] one sec [17:37] pam used to screw me over [17:37] gggggrrrrrrr [17:37] my kind of woman 8-) [17:37] lol [17:37] no luck [17:37] does ssh keep a log somewhere? [17:37] did you restart sshd? [17:38] after trying what VampirePenguin suggested? [17:38] yes [17:38] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-150-69.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] drop your firewall and try and login for the hell of it [17:38] do you actually have an acct on the box youre trying to log into [17:38] no firewall [17:38] =0 [17:38] I dont see why a firewall is that important..... [17:39] well then dont try it [17:39] well I dont have one set up, I dont think. Unless its done by default [17:39] stealth-, on LAN side, if you're behind one, probably not important [17:39] I meant I dont see why *having* a firewall is important [17:40] try putting a ssh server on the internet for a few minutes and you'll see why [17:40] Nick change: vic1ous_ -> Vic1ous [17:40] i use iptables on the PC that stays up 24/7 but on the other PC that only runs while i am using it i dont even install iptables & dont build support for netfilter in the kernel [17:40] (on the internet without a firewall to protect it) [17:40] iptables used properly can do wonderful things.. like port knoocking [17:40] TwinReverb: ummmmm...... I have an ssh server on the internet with no firewall :o [17:40] technically you may be able to get away with just INETD but i wouldn't bother with it [17:40] stealth-, watch the logs and have fun 8-) [17:40] TwinReverb: I just disabled root logins [17:41] stealth-, do box boxes have ssh up and running [17:41] box boxes? [17:41] both [17:41] sorry [17:41] you have to have accts on both [17:41] ill double check [17:41] if you write a "catch all" rule in iptables, you can watch your logs fill up with all kinds of nastiness that should not exist (but somehow does) [17:41] VampirePenguin: on both? like, my client should have that allowedusers line? [17:42] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:42] stealth-, that too [17:42] where? [17:42] stealth-, are these boxes both running slack [17:42] VampirePenguin: no, the other is ubuntu [17:42] ps aux | grep sshd [17:42] kk then it has pam [17:42] ur hitting pam prblems [17:42] disable it in the sshd file [17:43] Action: TwinReverb blames ubuntu [17:43] ya that 2 [17:43] lol [17:43] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Good Bye" [17:43] it's african for "shit" [17:43] 8-) [17:43] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [17:43] its african for "I dont know how to install debian" :P [17:43] but im too lazy to remove it, I got it set up nice [17:44] or "debian is old as hell" [17:44] I don't get why ANYONE would want debian over ubuntu for a desktop [17:44] anyways, sshd looks to be up [17:44] someone that's not even sure whether they have an acct on the dest box doesn't help either :P [17:44] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-132-51-70.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:44] debian is african for "outdated" 8-) [17:44] brb, gotta take a huge ubuntu... [17:44] thrice`, i met someone who likes it that way (i pity him) [17:44] HAHAHA [17:45] whats your ps aux line look like [17:45] should be 2 lines [17:46] i don't know if pastebin has enough room for `ps aux` on ubuntu 8-) [17:46] no, *still* didnt work :( [17:46] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] did you restart ssh on ubuntu [17:46] yes [17:46] dunno, with the rate at which linux software moves, installing stuff from 2 years ago doesn't make sense to me :> [17:46] Action: XGizzmo_ checks what channel he is in. [17:46] what does your ps aux | grep sshd line look like [17:46] stealth-: try to login to the box from the same box first and make sure sshd is working properly. i tend to troubleshoot the easiest things first. [17:46] and show us the ssh -v [17:47] XGizzmo_: ++ [17:47] there's a slack box involved in this mix, isn't there? :D [17:47] VampirePenguin: from the new connection, or the old pastebin link i gave you guys at the start of this conversation? [17:47] TwinReverb: yeah, lol [17:47] dtanner, nods... troubleshooting is systematic [17:47] dtanner: k [17:47] the new [17:47] Action: TwinReverb looks for ssh troubleshooting manual [17:47] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:47] ssh localhost [17:48] it works, but requires password [17:48] good [17:48] I *can* log in from the ubuntu computer, but im trying to do it without a password [17:48] in case someone got the wrong idea ^ [17:49] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "se foder" [17:49] http://techdirt.com/articles/20090614/2046575227.shtml LOL [17:49] i used this article to set it up: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html [17:49] y0 dtanner, how are you doing? [17:49] firebird619: how'd the irssi turn out? [17:50] chopp: turned out good. I just need to get added so it autojoins #studios. :) [17:50] I do get errors about the config file about unexpected something though. [17:50] but it works good. [17:50] stealth-: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/3-steps-to-perform-ssh-login-without-password-using-ssh-keygen-ssh-copy-id/ [17:50] hey firebird619 [17:50] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.196.41) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:50] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) left irc: "byre" [17:51] god my internet pisses me off sometime [17:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] Vic1ous, must be easy to get you pissed off then 8-P [17:51] dtanner: that one looks like a pain in the ass compared to the other one, but i'll give it a try. one minute [17:51] chopp: that's what happened last night when it didn't work at first, I tried editing the config myself to autojoin and it didn't go well. :P [17:51] lol [17:52] stealth-: it is only three things to do , it has always been the same steps to login ssh without a password [17:52] you guys use compiz-fusion or kwin? [17:53] chopp: pm me to test? When you have time. [17:53] Vic1ous: I use kde4 and it's built in effects. [17:53] It works very nice [17:54] yeah i'm on kde4 trying to figure out how to activate the effects [17:54] Vic1ous: system settings -> Desktop [17:55] Action: TwinReverb doesn't use compiz or kwin [17:56] caio (n=caio@190.244.36.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] dtanner: ugh, niether the three steps or the troubleshooting worked [17:57] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "jogar joguinho" [17:57] dtanner: I think im just gonna re-install everything for all ssh client and server I have, then try it out [17:57] dtanner: maybe I messed up somewhere [17:57] Vic1ous: imo, they work nicer than compiz, but that's my opinion. [17:57] eviljames: i seen there is a new amarok released [17:57] stealth-: yeah, you prolly did. it works like a charm here [17:57] Pig_Pen: aside from 2.1? [17:57] Pig_Pen: orly? The last one worked pretty well, how is the findings for this one? [17:57] 2.1.1 [17:57] okay, anyways, if this doesnt work ill just do it via password. Thanks for all your help, guys [17:58] probably a bugfix release [17:58] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:58] "Fixed giant f'ing buttons" ? [17:58] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-67-180.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] i seen it listed at distrowatch in that lefthand column that shows new packages [17:59] thrice`: Did you file that bug yet? [17:59] i have no idea, i only keep to audio/video apps, xmms for audio and mplayer for video [17:59] How about the "fixed ripping off the shitty iTunes look" bug? [17:59] HAHAHA [17:59] TwinReverb: You're a bag of chuckles today, bud. Smoking? Sharing? [17:59] i hate the new amarok; it's hideous [17:59] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:59] nope, i stopped smoking when i started taking straterra [18:00] hmm i haven't tried the new amarok. i was just starting to like it. [18:00] i dont need my audio/video apps talking to the internet to get info [18:00] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Pig_Pen, i think that can be disabled [18:00] I had this argument yesterday. I like Amarok for 1) Collection Organization, and 2) media player integration. [18:00] amarok has its place [18:00] hi ok it looks like all is well, im curious, what can i do to integrate more slackware into my life? ;p [18:00] yeah, I can sort my files/folders by hand, but with Amarok it does it exactly how I tell it to in a single click. [18:01] missyjane, install slackware on all your computers [18:01] i like rhythmbox also [18:01] delete all windows [18:01] i would use it if i can rip it out while it is still source and then compile it so i dont have to worry about it accidentally being enabled [18:01] already do that TwinReverb [18:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] and also be sure to install slackware on all your friends' computers [18:01] be sure to break into their house when they're NOT home btw [18:02] missyjane: what do you mean integrate more into yoru life? example lpease? [18:02] LOL TwinReverb [18:02] dtanner, ok well i want to install slackware or at least linux into say, my nintendo ds [18:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:03] uh i don't know if your nintendo DS will have enough strength to run it decently [18:03] google for Nintendo DS Linux [18:04] i mean, at least in my opinion. i prefer to run Xfce on everything so ... [18:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] oh wow [18:04] looksl ike you can [18:04] http://linux.com/archive/feature/118061 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLinux [18:06] what would you do with linux on a DS? [18:06] haha [18:06] dunno [18:06] exactly [18:07] >.> [18:07] common, the games aren't *that* bad [18:07] i love linux so much [18:07] computers were meant to make things easier and save us time [18:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] well that's cool, we all love Linux too [18:07] TwinReverb: we just force them to make things easier and save us time ;) [18:07] but still, i found this out in my life: if there is no purpose, it's wasted time [18:07] Action: stealth- agree's [18:07] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] s/agree's/agrees [18:08] well im cool if i can run linux on nintendo ds [18:08] no girls can do that [18:08] :D [18:08] but i've found no purpose so everything in my life is a wate of time :P [18:08] just me on this freaking planet [18:08] port airsnort to the DS >8-) [18:08] heh [18:08] is there a keyboard shortcut to change desktops in kde? [18:08] missyjane, there are women who can run linux on the nintendo DS [18:08] psh, who? [18:08] Vic1ous, go to kde control panel and check keyboard shortcuts [18:09] on Xfce it's control+F1-F12 iirc [18:09] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:11] missyjane, my wife (since i'd buy the cartridge and give it to her 8-D ) [18:11] g'night all [18:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] how can I reinstall sshd on slackware? [18:11] wow, he left fast [18:12] I can only find one package, and it doesnt look like the server package [18:12] soltis_ (n=soltis@chello087206031196.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:13] removepkg openssh* ; installpkg openssh* ( get the proper package of course ) [18:13] well && instead of ; prolly [18:13] yeah I dont know what that is, slackpkg just returns openssh-5.1p1-i486-1 but is that the server or the client? [18:14] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] both [18:14] it's...BOTH! [18:14] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" [18:14] k, thx [18:15] TwinReverb :'( screw your wife [18:16] is the scratches and all on my copy of slack 12.2 disc 1 the reason chroot can't find passwd when configuring slackware after installing it? [18:16] dont worry , we think your a cool chic missyjane. defo in a minority. [18:16] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] Does anyone use sd cards? Which module is it and should i have expected it to auto load? [18:18] I'm downloading and going to burn a new copy. But I want to know if you asll think that's the reason. [18:18] <|alisonken1churc> sd cards typically load the scsi emulation drivers. in slackware/kde3.5, they appear automagically [18:18] <|alisonken1churc> at least they do for me [18:19] haha. automagically [18:19] |alisonken1churc, hmm. no automagic action here [18:19] <|alisonken1churc> check dmesg [18:19] i'm in -current with xfce [18:19] bow to the automagic! [18:19] Action: jescis bows [18:19] |alisonken1churc, dmesg shows nothing when i plug it in [18:20] dtanner, <3 ty [18:20] <|alisonken1churc> ok - I'm not on -current, just slack/slamd64 12.2 [18:20] wait! [18:20] blue light came on [18:20] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] still no dmesg [18:20] that was what i needed, on that note, i go [18:20] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:20] bye [18:20] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-76-57.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] good luck with pointless project :P [18:20] greetings [18:21] v4nelle (n=van@adsl42-150.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Action: stealth- wants a pointless project :( [18:21] soltis_ (n=soltis@chello087206031196.chello.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:21] you want to hear a pointless project? newsletters [18:21] newsletters classified as spam ;) [18:21] well there is a difference between increadibly boring project and pointless project [18:21] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:21] :P [18:21] stealth-: build a browser, less bloat than firefix yet better than dillo, [18:22] Pig_Pen: Ill do it! [18:22] after a while that's what they become >.> imo [18:22] right after I learn C and python [18:22] X| [18:22] stealth-, which you should do anyway [18:22] shoot! i will die of old age before i get my browser [18:22] i understand learning c, but python? why python/ [18:22] hiptobecubic: yeah, I am. Im almost done with python, now that schools out I'm gonna finish these books asap [18:23] The-Croupier: I already started learning it, no need to compile, so its great for beginners [18:23] The-Croupier, python is fabulous. it's like perl for humans [18:23] stealth-: what books did they recommend for learning python [18:23] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: does $(cat /proc/scsi/scsi) show a usb sd|cf|sm devices [18:23] The-Croupier: I have: Beginning Python From Novice to Professional Second Edition~tqw~_darksiderg [18:23] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-76-57.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:23] <|alisonken1churc> The-Croupier: start with the "Learning Python" pdf on the python webpage documentation [18:23] |alisonken1churc, there is no /proc/scsi [18:23] <|alisonken1churc> what kind of card reader do you have? [18:24] |alisonken1churc: i guess its worth it right? [18:24] 02:05.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12) [18:24] <|alisonken1churc> The-Croupier: definitely worth the price :) [18:24] 02:05.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) [18:24] Im actually gonna buy a physical book to learn C, its too hard to learn from a digital book [18:25] I cant take laptop *every* where I go [18:25] <|alisonken1churc> stealth-: depends on how many windows you have the pdf open on how many monitors [18:25] |alisonken1churc: well I see that, but I could learn it so much faster from a book that I could read anywhere. [18:25] stealth-, i got a great c++ book on half.com for 4 bucks. don't get the newest edition :) [18:26] |alisonken1churc, so.... no scsi [18:26] <|alisonken1churc> stealth-: having said that - I still prefer a book as well. [18:26] hiptobecubic: thanks, but im going with C first [18:26] stealth-, just an example :)( [18:26] :)(? [18:26] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [18:27] was the ( a mis type, or is that supposed to mean happy/ sad at the same time? [18:27] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:27] :) (;)) [18:27] :S [18:27] Action: The-Croupier checking his external hdd for python and c++ books to print ;) [18:27] who wants to spend about an hour running a noisy gas powered weedeater for me? [18:27] thanks guys [18:27] why does everybody answer my questions with answers that bring more questions? [18:27] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:28] Pig_Pen: I will if you'll pay the flight bill [18:28] Pig_Pen: and dinner [18:28] stealth-: at least is not answers with questions that bring more questions for more answers [18:28] i am too poor [18:28] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: it's not that it's scsi - it uses the scsi emulation layer to access the sd (on this version of the kernel) - there's a difference [18:28] i was hoping you would do it for free [18:28] Vic1ous (n=root@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] i will do it this weekend :( [18:28] <|alisonken1churc> like previous kernels had to use ide-scsi emulation in order to be able to burn CD's a few years ago [18:28] Pig_Pen: nothing is free on this world! not even happiness! [18:28] bah freaking spam [18:29] ok i goofed. i changed the theme to gtk and now when i try to run startx i get the following error. qgtkstyle cannot be used together with the gtk_qt engine [18:29] even freedom isnt free [18:29] tried a recaptcha mod for phpbb3 but it doesn't seem to wor [18:29] k [18:29] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: try tailing /var/log/message and /var/log/syslog and see if something comes up [18:30] hmm looks like in 3.0.6 recaptcha will be default [18:30] are both qgtkstyle and gtk_qt a theme engine? you cant run both together since it would be a conflict [18:30] pick one [18:31] ok well how do i turn one off so i can log back in [18:31] removepkg ? [18:31] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] Does anyone know of a tutorial on mount, I'm trying to mount a .iso but failing hard [18:32] i would rather just turn it off all i did was changed the kde theme to gtk [18:32] lolwut: man mount? [18:32] hm ok [18:32] lolwut, mount -o loop /path/to/isofile /mnt/tmp [18:32] one was on by default the other was just there [18:32] and man mount too :) [18:32] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [18:32] <|alisonken1churc> lolwut: try man mount and look at -o loop options [18:32] finally svn 1.6 in slackware-current :) [18:33] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:33] <|alisonken1churc> lolwut: and don't forget the -t option as well [18:33] from what i seen of kde4 i think kde stands for "kwazy desktop environment" [18:34] Krazy Desktop Environment [18:34] fluxbox ftw [18:34] :) [18:34] |alisonken1churc, nothing when i plug the card in [18:35] so is there anyway to change the theme back without logging in [18:35] pat needs to pull one of those gtk themes that run in kde4 so people dont be trying to load the other [18:35] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:35] look in ~/.kde for the gtk theme config file and delete it [18:36] testing, is this junk working? [18:37] have a good night guys.. [18:37] seeya tomorrow [18:37] looks good here NukeDukem [18:37] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [18:37] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] |alisonkenlchurc Camarade_Tux, thanks [18:38] is the second deus ex worth playing? [18:40] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:40] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] confrey (n=dario@94.163.133.42) left irc: No route to host [18:42] Vic1ous (n=root@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Wiren (n=a@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:50] http://serverfault.com/questions/27661/are-there-any-reasons-not-to-run-an-ubuntu-server <- hahaha ! [18:50] what's funny about that? [18:51] ubuntu LTS is a very valid option [18:51] did you read the article ? [18:52] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] i'm still at a loss about this sd card situation. i searched kernel config for ricoh sd card drivers and found a few, which are loaded, but i'm getting nothing [18:53] <|alisonken1churc> quote from about 1/2 way down the replies: "Yes, don't run Ubuntu if you want your server to be stable and secure. If instability and poor security are your flavors of choice, please choose a product from the Windows Server line [18:53] what article? it's a forum post [18:54] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.209.210) left irc: "leaving" [18:55] even most of the replies to that question are level headed and informative [18:58] that's why I asked ;) [18:58] Where are the kernel modules in the filesystem? [18:59] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: [18:59] /lib/modules/ [18:59] when you modprobe something, and it loads a .ko [18:59] /lib/modules/kernel_version [18:59] Decoy- (n=Decoy@rrcs-70-63-108-15.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:59] ah ok, i was in sys [18:59] thanks [18:59] Nick change: thetrooper -> egregor [18:59] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [18:59] hiptobecubic : modprobe -l is useful [18:59] /sys would be too late in the scheme of things ;) [18:59] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:00] ananke, thanks [19:00] It says there is a module called ricoh_mmc, but i can't modprobe. i'm still learning (read: i'm confused) [19:01] hiptobecubic : elaborate on 'can't modprobe' [19:01] it was saying module not found. but i just switched to root (instead of sudo) and it worked [19:01] sudo /sbin/modprobe would have worked [19:02] module not found, not command not found [19:02] hiptobecubic : what exact command were you using? [19:02] sudo modprobe ricoh_mmc [19:02] hiptobecubic : that would result in 'command not found', not 'module not found' [19:03] hrrr. Anyone know way to get GNU sed's y/// command to to uppercase to lowercase conversions without listing the entire alphabet? (no, [:upper:] and [:lower:] don't work like they do with tr...) [19:03] ananke, /sbin is in my user path [19:03] s/to to/to do/ [19:04] I can't seem to get my cd burned :( I keep getting a bus error after running "cdrecord -scanbus" :\ [19:04] hiptobecubic : unless i'd see the actual output, i wouldn't believe it [19:04] how do you pronounce sudo? like peeudo (fake drug) or sue do (like telling sue to do something) ? [19:04] ananke, believe what? [19:04] pseudo* [19:04] hiptobecubic : that it was showing 'module not found' [19:05] y/ABCDE/abcde/ would work (with entire alphabet on both sides), but (a) I'm a lazy typist and (b) it wouldn't work with non-US-ASCII characters [19:05] kitche2 (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:07] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [19:07] found it.. i needed sdhci-pci [19:07] mernil (n=mernil@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:08] isn't that module supposed to autoload? is there a way to make it autoload? [19:08] I think it's pronounced sudo. [19:08] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "going to try FreeeBSD then maybe go back to slack :\" [19:09] hiptobecubic: I think auto loading has to be enabled in the kernel. [19:09] modprobe -l cat > modiles :D [19:09] Hello my friends!!! because you are my friends.. dont hate me.. i use opensuse now.. maybe some people likes it i dont.. itt's like a tomour [19:10] wat? [19:10] mernil : troll elsewhere [19:10] we hate you! [19:10] eviljames, i thought for sure it was, but how do i check? [19:10] thrice`, lol [19:10] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ananke: dont hate me :-) [19:10] because.. [19:11] can i hate you? plz? [19:11] NukeDukem: I always say "sue do", but I've heard "pseudo" before too [19:11] anyone else get slackware 12.2 emails in their root email after this last update in -current? [19:11] NukeDukem: "sue do" because it means "do this as superuser", is my rationale [19:12] hiptobecubic: I stand corrected, it seems that it isn't in my menuconfig for 2.6.29.3... [19:12] manwichmakeameal: aaa_base updated :> [19:12] i just gave a tae kwon do patch to a guy living here .. <--- with thatt patch he can go around africa as much he want's to! [19:12] yeah, sudo is just su & do squished together [19:12] <|alisonken1churc> sudo is shorthand for "super user do". Take it from there [19:12] "sudo make me a sandwich!" [19:12] i know, but it upgraded /etc/slackware-version to 13.0 but I still got 3 emails in root for 12.2 [19:12] <|alisonken1churc> "sudo: command not found" [19:12] pp&j? [19:13] |alisonken1churc: That's a good way to be. sudo shouldn't ever be found :P [19:13] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] so no advice for me with my sed question? (other than "use tr instead", which I can do...) [19:13] what's wrong with sudo? [19:13] <|alisonken1churc> eviljames: on my box, if you don't have the root password, you don't need to run it [19:13] hiptobecubic: Security vulns. They may have been patched since, but there used to be a bunch. [19:13] paranoia... [19:13] and old biases seem to die hard. [19:13] Yeah I can't seem to get the theme changed on kde without deleting the kde folder and starting over which I don't want to do [19:13] i dont install sudo, but i guess if i was very busy and wanted to occasionally run su and have su automatically die without typing in exit everytime it might come in handy [19:13] any ideas? [19:14] NukeDukem: su -c 'command args' [19:14] Action: Urchlay *hearts* sudo [19:14] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: think "end users who are used to windows and install/run programs without knowing what they do" [19:15] crashx- (n=relaxed@h236.202.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] sudo sucks.. a stupid command. either u are op or not! [19:15] Urchlay: tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' ? :> [19:15] read my revious comment mernil [19:15] *previous [19:16] NukeDukem: no, i discards your comments :-P [19:16] Also, su -c provides sudo-like functionality. [19:16] thrice`: tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' is what I use now (handles foreign language characters that I don't even know how to type) [19:16] rm /freenode/slackware/mernil [19:16] but what I've got is: do_something | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' | sed -e 'blah' -e 'blah' ...about 5 more -e's [19:17] sed does all that other junk, it offends my sense of something-or-another that I need a separate tr process... [19:17] mernil: if you are such a suse freak wtf are you doing in a slackware channel other than marketing and trolling? [19:17] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.93.197) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Urchlay: I think awk has something built in, like echo FoObAr | awk {'print tolower($_)'} [19:18] NukeDukem: actually he's a reverse-psychology troll. He described suse as "itt's like a tomour" and said he doesn't like it.. [19:18] i bet most everyone in here would rather walk through a pit of rattlesnakes and alligators than give up slackware for suse [19:18] NukeDukem: accttually, im a slacker, i just instaalled suse because i wanted to test kde4 [19:18] otherwise, for sed, I found: sed 's/\(.*\)/\L\1/' [19:18] thrice`: ahhh [19:19] thrice`: even better: sed 's/.*/\L&' [19:19] -current has kde4 [19:19] thank you [19:19] neat :) [19:19] finally got recaptcha working on phpb33 [19:20] egregor (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [19:20] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] rworkman, around? [19:20] now if only I could stick comments in multiline bash statements, so next year when I look at my fancy sed punctuation, I'll know WTF it does... [19:21] maaybe so.. and very good .. i hate opensuse to be honest. Slackware is so much easier! [19:21] if i changed to a theme on kde and it crashed x how do i change the theme without being able to log back into x [19:21] slackware is much more logical under the hood too [19:21] NukeDukem: yes [19:22] goodboy leroy, now that i know where you stand i will quit thinking of ways to pick on you [19:22] Is there any SlackBuild to get MS Fonts? [19:22] Yes [19:23] most modern lixux distros are dumbing themselves down. Who the f**k mixed up 'easy-to-learn' with usability again? And why is so much energy put down to make things easy to learn rather than effienct and fault-proof? BAAH [19:25] This is stupid.. but i was thinking.. toilette paper.. why should we not be able to recyckle them tissues? It'a WOW for the nature! [19:25] cmk_zzz because that would have a larger learning curve [19:26] why should my mom have to download a slackbuild archive, untar it, cd to the dir, wget the flash tarball, execute a slackbuild script, and install a package just to watch youtube ? [19:26] cmk_zzz: I sorta agree. I like the idea that there are a class of distros that do everything for you, though. [19:26] cmk_zzz: I just would hate it if my preferred distro did that. [19:26] when she could just click an "install flash" button and have it work? [19:27] ugh, obviously she needs to take some computer classes. [19:27] eviljames: Well. How fun is it to start up any modern distro and plow through hundreds of silly bugs that has nothing to do with the core functionality? [19:27] Bring her up to speed with the times.. [19:27] i guess so [19:27] i hope slackware never changes, just gets newer package versions [19:27] thrice`: j/k in case the sarcasm didn't come through.. heh [19:27] too bad =p [19:27] :> [19:27] NukeDukem: ++ couldn't agree more. [19:28] is there a command to change themes in kde4 [19:28] cmk_zzz: I only use slackware, so I don't care. [19:28] X crashing, smart configuration tools crashing, package manager crashing, just ridiculous. Put all that effort in writing better documentation, putting up ways for people to learn how to work effiencetly instead of other crap [19:28] cmk_zzz: But I certainly wouldn't hand someone a slack disc and say "Here, this will help you get away from Windows" [19:28] mernil (n=mernil@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "leaving" [19:28] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-183-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] What is its name alienBOB? [19:29] eviljames: Whats the point of leaving Windows if you end up in an other buggy crappy environment? [19:29] ubuntu works pretty well in my experience [19:29] cmk_zzz: Getting exposed to something other than windows is the first step. Once people have a certain level of familiarity with something like ubuntu, they can move on to something worth using. [19:29] cmk_zzz: ie: opensolaris! :P [19:29] Action: eviljames ducks & runs [19:30] eviljames: I don't think that is the way to go. If it looks like Windows, act like windows, it is windows. No change what so ever [19:31] i spent an hour last night getting pictures off of my girlfriends digital camera. I plugged it in today at work to a ubuntu laptop, and it auto-synced for me. I think that's pretty awesome :> [19:31] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Nevermind, it is webcore-fonts [19:33] i am a late comer to PCs compared to some people, my wife ordered a gateway with win98 on it, and three days later it gets here, and i put it together and turn it on and had no idea what to do with it, did not even know what the internet was or what a browser was, in less than 6 months i got redhat7.1 install dual booting, and in another few months i found slackware and been a happy slacker... [19:33] ...ever since [19:33] thrice: I'm sure it is awesome. [19:34] my c++ code is becoming black magic... [19:34] ehh [19:34] I also like how for example wicd helps setting up wireless networking. Problem is, it craps out 1 out of 20 times. iwconfig / ifconfig never does that [19:35] then you should grab the source and help them fix it [19:35] cmk_zzz: laptop or desktop? do you use more than one wifi access point? [19:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:35] NukeDukem: laptop. Only one access point at a time [19:36] thrice: Yes, and I do contribute to a few projects, I wish I had more time though [19:36] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.234) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:37] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] ok, since you access more than one access point i cant say much but if you only use one you might want to set up a static IP but that would be useless to you since you have a mobile PC using various configurations [19:40] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:40] NukeDukem: Yeah, well it is not really a problem for me, I can always fix things. I'm just on a rant at the momnet:) [19:43] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:44] what do you guys do to increase bit torrent traffic speeds? [19:44] i only get like 60 KiB/s most of the time [19:44] even though i have 1.5 MiB/s down speeds [19:44] i don't understand what the deal is [19:45] viagra, makes the pipe bigger -_- [19:45] |alisonken1churc, but how does that solve anything. Once they learn how to su -, it will be the same [19:46] a torrent with more seeds, or, get a bigger pipe to the intertubes [19:47] Pig_Pen: right [19:47] since you have a 1.5 cap chances are you need a torrent with more seeders [19:48] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] <|alisonken1churc> hiptobecubic: that's >assuming< that they know how to cli :) [19:48] unless your ISP throttles back on p2p then nothing will fix that unless you encrypt and change ports, and no guarentees that will even work [19:48] K-Shadow (i=k-shadow@the-compiler.org) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:49] K-Shadow (i=k-shadow@the-compiler.org) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Pig_Pen: do you think my ISP anticipates im going to use 6881-6889? [19:49] icarus, a big YES :) [19:49] i never considered ISP restrictions [19:49] im using time warner [19:49] hmm [19:49] interesting [19:49] thats what i dont get, i read where people can encrypt p2p traffic but if it is not encrypted on the other end then what good would it do [19:49] now, which client are you using ? [19:49] i guess i could always randomize [19:49] egregor (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Camarade_Tux: i was using rtorrent for a long time [19:50] but i got tired of not being able to sort my files properly [19:50] so now im using ktorrent [19:50] since transmission and deluge kind of suck [19:50] i considered using utorrent in wine [19:50] i like transmission, small no extra cruft [19:51] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Pig_Pen: transmission always freezes and crashes on me [19:51] same with deluge [19:51] ktorrent is good, lots of features, even a built in search engine [19:51] K-Shadow (i=k-shadow@the-compiler.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] or rather a browser thing that connects to a choice of torrent sites [19:53] Pig_Pen: ktorrent has always seemed to get me better speeds [19:53] i can't believe it never occured to me my isp would filter my traffic [19:54] ill have to randomize and see how that works [19:54] what clients do you guys use? [19:55] Action: slackmagic uses ktorrent [19:56] Action: Camarade_Tux runs mldonkey [19:59] mernil (n=mernil@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:59] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] transmission! [20:00] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] one thing i can say about transmission is the development on it is incredible they kick out a new release every week or two, i quit trying to keep up with it and stuck with the version listed at slackbuilds.org [20:01] they release one every month it seems and they all are bugfixes most of the time :) [20:02] man.. i'm angry.. not to you..the representatives.. "we like them somalian" assholes.. let them rape our blondes.. thatss how it feels (aaand i'm not even ssome assssshole [20:02] what? [20:02] ok who is mernil wasn't he banned before? [20:02] but this a9int a politicaal channeel, so forgive me! [20:03] kitche2: shut the fuck up*! ;-) [20:03] Decoy- (n=Decoy@rrcs-70-63-108-15.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] curiously, ktorrent has no randomize port feature [20:04] we need !ops [20:04] hi ananke ;) [20:05] i was here with goldelf.. alcoholics.. and galacsys a long long time ago! 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[20:08] mac it is at slackbuilds.org [20:09] thanks :) [20:09] i`ve checked only linuxpackages.net :/ [20:09] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] never check linuxpackages.net :) [20:10] hmm, gotta love being able to upgrade firmware on live drives [20:10] seems like slackbuilds.org would have put linuxpackages.net out of service [20:10] sisko (n=none@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks firebird619 in the butt [20:11] Pig_Pen: That is a good thing! [20:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Action: firebird619 ties Camarade_Tux's legs in a knot around his head. [20:11] How can I trick an app into thinking a folder is a cd image? I don't want to make the folder into an iso and then mount it again [20:12] I'm trying to get virtualbox to boot off of an ssd card [20:12] Action: firebird619 laughs and watches Camarade_Tux roll around trying to get his legs free. [20:12] firebird619, thanks, that's what I've been waiting for all the afternoon, C++ is driving me mad :) [20:13] lol [20:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431443.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:14] sisko (n=none@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [20:15] cmk_zzz: i agree! slackbuilds.org should put linuxpackages.net out of service [20:16] the lazy and uninformed will continue to use lp.net because they provide binary packages [20:16] :) [20:17] sad but true [20:17] I can't see any way to stop that from happening :( [20:17] Urchlay : i wouldn't call those folks 'lazy'. for that matter, you could call slackware users 'lazy', since they use packages [20:17] eh, well, one possible way: lp.net has a ton of GPL stuff, and AFAIK they don't provide the source like the GPL requires... but I'm no lawyer [20:18] nope, planet earth is populated with a greater percentage of uninformed and misinformed dummies than those seek enlightenment [20:18] wow it is hot today 91 and humid [20:18] ananke: eh, maybe instead of lazy, I should say they're impatient (maybe even for a good reason: need this package *now* to get my job done). Still think it's a horrible idea to install binary packages from dubious sources, and I count lp.net as dubious [20:18] Urchlay: education of the masses. That's the way to go, and someone was working on a package manager for slackbuilds, which might attract a few more ppl to slackbuilds [20:19] umm the keyword is was since you know you can go grab sbopkg right now [20:19] gar0t0 (n=casa@189.69.80.40) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Urchlay : that's the thing. to know that lp.net is dubious, you either have to: a) do some thorough research, b) visit this channel and ask about it, c) be told about it by somebody who knows it [20:19] education of the masses... has that ever worked as a solution to any problem in all of history? (maybe slowly, over a period of decades...) [20:20] guys there is something like yakuake for xfce? [20:20] v4nelle: tilde. [20:20] thx :) [20:21] it's not like a basic 'are packages from linuxpackages.net safe' google search will return anything useful [20:21] ananke: I suppose. I pretty much consider any unofficial site with binary packages dubious by default (I might test the packages in a sandbox or something, and change my mind, like I did for the official Wine slack package from winehq.com) [20:22] egregor (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [20:22] Urchlay : and consider that 'packages for slackware' search will have lp.net as the first hit [not even slackware.com] [20:22] Urchlay: yes. slowly is the word. a period of decades is fast in this context. It is very hard to change a person and the way they have been tought stuff. But you can slowly set a trend, which our kids will start adept and our grandkids might see natural. This of course, doen't fit too well with the quarterly economic model of todays society [20:23] Urchlay : i find it interesting that we are expected to trust 'slackware.it' :) [20:23] For example my grandparents started to learn how to spell correctly. and i'm almost there! [20:23] hm. Anyone got any suggestions for an app or utility that can take a huge directory full of audio files and group them together in CD-sized groups? (fitting as much as possible on each CD, not just sticking them in there in alphabetical order) [20:23] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [20:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Urchlay : that would be an implementation of knap-sack problem. not sure if there's anything ready for it [20:24] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [20:24] ananke: right. I know just enough CS theory to know any implementation I might come up with myself would probably suck :) [20:26] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:26] If your collection isn't ginormous, you could probably settle for a poor algorithm and still get the job done reasonably well [20:26] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:27] possibly... wasn't thinking of running it on an entire multigigabyte collection, more like on 4 or 5 CDs worth of files on average [20:27] Oh yeah, that's easy to do. [20:28] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:28] If I had ever written a program that read audio metadata before, I'd just make something for you real quick :) [20:28] basically I just want to have some CDs to listen to while driving (car CD player, no mp3), and don't really want to personally decide exactly what tracks go on which discs (because if I have to think about it, I'll obsess over getting it "perfect") [20:29] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Audio CD or mp3 cd? [20:29] audio CD, the source files are mostly mp3 though [20:29] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:30] I could perl up something that would probably work OK (not perfect), was just hoping someone else had already done so :) [20:30] egregor (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [20:31] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] the real solution I suppose would be to buy a car player that can handle mp3 files burned on a CD (or better, DVD) [20:31] bluray now [20:32] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Urchlay : does your audio player take aux-in? or even a tape deck? [20:32] debian installs gnome by default now? [20:32] heh, a car audio player, playing a bluray disc's worth of mp3s? *that* would be perfect (stick it on shuffle and never touch it again) [20:32] Action: kitche2 bit bored and I know that people use different systems besides slackware in here [20:32] yeah :D [20:32] ananke: nope. I wish it did, I'd get something like an ipod (only not made by apple) [20:33] Urchlay : one of my cars takes pcmcia cards :) [20:33] nice [20:33] they make pcmcia memory cards? [20:33] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] greetings and salutations [20:34] how can I extract rar files that are broken into parts? [20:34] nooper : possibly. i use pcmcia adapter for memory cards, and i got SD card in it [20:34] hi [20:34] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] vai command line [20:34] this car is a 200 saturn with the factory audio system, I don't see an aux-in jack, but maybe there's a way to feed a signal through it from somewhere in the back of the unit (doubtful though) [20:34] using rar [20:34] nooper : although at work i have a pcmcia hard drive. it takes up two slots [20:34] or unrar [20:34] stealth-, rar for linux? [20:34] wow [20:34] greetings andarius. How are you? [20:34] err unrar [20:34] stealth-: install unrar, run "unrar e blahblah.rar", it's smart enough to find the rest of the parts [20:34] well, its unrar, but im wondering what the sytax would be [20:34] stealth-: when you unrar the first file, it automatically uses the rest of the rars [20:34] salutations firebird619. I am well, you ? [20:34] Urchlay : some people use FM transmitters. those are iffy though [20:34] stealth-: man rar [20:34] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:35] andarius: doing great, thank you. :) [20:35] or man unrar [20:35] unrar x file1.rar [20:35] okay, I didnt know it found the rest by itself, thanks [20:35] ananke: yeah, I've used one before, on a long car trip in someone else's car. It needed its channel changed maybe 3 times between New Orleans and Atlanta [20:35] np [20:35] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Urchlay : yep. some are better, some are worse. there is plenty of junk on the market in this section [20:36] does slackware need any extra packages to play .avi files? like the ubuntu-restricted-extras [20:36] ? [20:37] stealth-: no [20:37] cool [20:37] stealth-: it does, for CSS-protected DVDs [20:37] well its just an .avi file, not in the dvd [20:37] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:37] xine or mplayer should Just Work then [20:37] k, thx [20:38] ananke: for now, the "burn a ton of audio CDs" method will work (and I can do it without spending any money at all) [20:39] just as long as I don't get involved in flipping thru the book of CDs and start ignoring the road [20:40] just had a power surge, now my lcd gets a bluist tint for a few minutes at random intervals :( [20:40] bluish [20:40] nooper: could be your video card [20:41] possibly [20:42] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] hm. Usually if my monitor has a problem like that, it turns out to be the video cable isn't plugged in all the way [20:42] do you think its possible to steam a movie from a [20:42] opps [20:42] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [20:42] like, the pin for the red signal has come loose... [20:42] gun21 (i=topgun21@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] do you think its possible to steam a movie from another computer on my lan over a wireless network without having to wait for it to load? [20:43] it should be, right? [20:43] i think you're right. the cable was loose [20:43] steaming a movie takes a long time (those Babbage steam-powered computers just don't have the I/O speed you need for that...) [20:43] stealth- : sure. nfs or samba, and simply play it [20:44] ananke: what about sshfs? [20:44] i stream from my pc to my xbox just fine. [20:44] stealth-: any network-based filesystem ought to do it [20:44] Action: andarius plays movies across his lan via NFS frequently [20:44] stealth- : never used it. i'm peculiar about using such things for _filesystems_ [20:44] cool. okay, lets hope it works. :) [20:45] Action: andarius has no need to hope, he is doing it now :| [20:45] nobody laughed at my steam-powered computer joke :( [20:46] cause mine is still building up enough to respond :P [20:46] :) [20:46] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" [20:46] I upgraded from a 32-gallon to a 64-gallon boiler, but most stuff doesn't seem to run any faster [20:47] it probably runs slower [20:47] :) [20:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] i switched to a nuclear power boiler, heats faster :) [20:47] <|alisonken1churc> Urchlay: good one [20:48] lol M$ is giving $10,000 to anyone who can find it on the web but the only way you can find it is with IE8. [20:48] induction works faster [20:48] find what? [20:48] way to follow standards, MS [20:48] kitche find the $10,000. [20:49] http://madduck.net/blog/img/2009.06.17:MSIE8_10000.png [20:49] what is bing for $10,000? [20:49] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:50] eh. "webpage that only IE8 can view"... is not a web page at all, by my definition [20:50] it's a trap [20:50] don't do it [20:50] use wine to install it and find it that way. :P [20:51] heh [20:51] or figure out how they are hiding it with IE and use LYNX. [20:51] that would be super pwnage! [20:51] active-x [20:52] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] gun21 (n=topgun21@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [20:52] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: "ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)" [20:52] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-183-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:54] Malk667 (n=kvirc@189-015-132-075.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:55] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [20:57] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@174-159-250-126.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] <|Slacker|> hey there ppl [20:59] 3am, at most 4 hours of sleep left :) [20:59] hey |Slacker| :) [21:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@174-159-250-126.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] slKIvs (n=ivan@228.112.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hey [21:03] <|Slacker|> hey TClayton [21:04] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] Malk667 (n=kvirc@189-015-132-075.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [21:05] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:06] haha, human pacman is great! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUt9FtiWiVs&NR=1 [21:07] http://imagebin.org/52850 anyone see this, (rated G) [21:11] gar0t0 (n=casa@189.69.80.40) left irc: "leaving" [21:11] NukeDukem: I can't tell what I'm looking at there [21:11] <|Slacker|> yeah...but... [21:11] Action: |Slacker| was unable to understand [21:12] what is a G rating anyway? Has it got anything to do with G-strings? (on a guitar of course) [21:12] look at those spots in the circles, they are copys [21:12] General, right ? (ie safe) [21:13] <|Slacker|> yeah...but copies of what [21:13] and look at the caption "Ama... sucks at photoshop" [21:13] |Slacker|, just means there were actually much less people than you could believe [21:13] rapid (i=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:13] meaning he has less popular support than he claims [21:14] <|Slacker|> ah! [21:14] <|Slacker|> lol [21:14] that pro amadinijihad rally never happened, its a shop job [21:14] <|Slacker|> he's trying to replicate, isn't it? [21:15] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:16] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [21:16] <|Slacker|> Pig_Pen, it's a fake thing then [21:16] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:18] hmmm, night ends in less than 3 hours... [21:18] Hey all :) [21:18] <|Slacker|> hey there b0y [21:18] |Slacker|: hey man!! [21:19] hey gar0t0 [21:19] <|Slacker|> how ya doin'? [21:19] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] <|Slacker|> achei ele no google talk [21:20] <|Slacker|> wrong window [21:20] so you mean we can talk google in here? [21:21] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] Camarade_Tux: hey man! how are you? [21:21] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [21:21] <|Slacker|> I guess both Parkingson and Alzeheimer wanna be my friends [21:22] gar0t0, not even tired (3:20am here) :) [21:22] gar0t0, and you ? :) [21:22] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "leaving" [21:22] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [21:22] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" [21:23] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] Camarade_Tux: hehehe where you from? [21:23] gar0t0, France ;) [21:24] wow [21:24] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.91.56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] Camarade_Tux: hehe in brazil 10:20PM [21:24] :D [21:25] gar0t0, which is were that early ;) [21:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Camarade_Tux: Hmm, I don't really get this sentence: Which is were that early? [21:26] Camarade_Tux: some day I will visit europe [21:26] <|Slacker|> me neither [21:27] s/is/it/ ;) [21:27] I'll probably go to bed after the sun rises :) [21:27] Camarade_Tux: work? [21:28] gar0t0, yeah, currently typing it [21:29] and I have to wake up in less than 4 hours ! \o/ [21:29] Camarade_Tux: Pull an allnighter. and take the pain the day after [21:29] better no sleep [21:29] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Alright, time to dig into the brains of some of you in here. :) [21:30] *squishsquish* [21:30] Let me pastebin what Im' wanting to.. much easier than typing it in here [21:30] :D [21:30] cmk_zzz, did I say I work only 30 minutes on tomorrow and then don't work anymore until monday ? =) [21:30] Action: thrice` squishes BP{k} [21:30] if i only had a brain - scarecrow [21:31] brb, I`m need to X [21:31] Action: |Slacker| envies Camarade_Tux [21:31] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Camarade_Tux: Well, if you did I wasn't listening ;) And now I am ignoring you :P [21:31] |Slacker|, and then a week of exams :D [21:31] <|Slacker|> hahaha [21:31] cmk_zzz, haha ;p [21:32] kitche2 (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "getting off for tonight" [21:32] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14689 [21:32] how old are you Camarade_Tux ? [21:32] gar0t0, 21 [21:32] NukeDukem (n=chatzill@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] usually I go to bed earlier ;) [21:32] cool [21:32] BP{k}: Well I'm sure what I"m trying to do..one or more people have done similar things [21:32] <|Slacker|> Camarade_Tux, well, I can't complain that much I'm working for only 3 hours tomorrow [21:32] Oh and I forgot add into that pastebin that the boxes are geographically seperated [21:34] Dominion: You want an active-active database? Real-time updates or is time-delay OK? [21:34] ok, have to write something on the memory, something on git and that should be it [21:34] cmk_zzz: real time if its not a killer.. time-delay "might" be ok.. but it would be critical for failover to be as real time as possible [21:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] and this isn't something I'm doing as a job where I'm getting paid.. this is a personal project for slackadelic.com/noobfarm.org/7a69.co.uk [21:35] Dominian: mysql has a replication model, which should cover your needs from a database perspective - for data that just in the file system, that will require more [21:35] Dominian: Is it the same "database" or can you have. ServerA -> DatabaseA (write) ServerA -> DatabaseB (readonly). and the otherway around for serverB? [21:36] Dominian: There is no active-active real-time geograhical seperated technology out there at the moment. I have been trying to find good solutions for this for our work application and have found it very hard [21:36] Dominian: one approach might be to refactor things to migrate as much of your data into a mysql database (and make the corresponding changes to software to get the data from there) [21:37] Dominian: ... then, more static data can live in the file system and be rsync'd at intervals [21:37] MySQL Cluster does this, I think. but it may not be free [21:37] nooper: you don't need clustering - mysql's replication will cover it [21:38] nooper: and that's free [21:38] rk4n3: replication is one-way [21:38] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:38] nooper: MySQL Cluster is free, but I wouldn't run it on geographical seperated sites as it needs quite a pipe to get in sync. It also puts quite a lot of restrictions on your database. (Like no foreign constraints, etc) [21:38] master doesn't take changes from slave [21:38] o [21:38] nooper: right - both system's use the master, and if it goes down, both switch to the slave [21:39] rk4n3: Yes, works, but this is not active active [21:39] rk4n3: and when the master comes back up, who updates the changes that have been made only to the slave? [21:39] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [21:39] nooper: good point - that would be a manual log-application process [21:40] Zer0_Cool (n=zerocool@200-140-55-245.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:40] yeah, I guess clustering would be required, now that I think about it [21:41] rk4n3: the problem with clustering is that it is done on the same site and not on geographically separated sites [21:41] I think dominion needs to give in on one or more of his requirements [21:42] probably... [21:42] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: "changing servers" [21:43] hmmm... I wonder if you could swap binary logs and just apply each at the other's site.. [21:43] anyone buy "objects" on dealextrem ? [21:44] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:44] With separated sites you will have to use some sort of replication. From what I understand there is no replication that works in active-active mode so that the same database can be updated on different locations. There are also few replication techqniques which are 'real-time' and can "guarantee" data loss [21:44] only four pages, gonna increase the font size [21:46] One option I guess is to have two separate 'main' database on each site: ServerA -> DbA is replicated to ServerB -> DbA. And ServerB->DbB is replicated to ServerA->DbB. But then you need to somehow split the database between different sites. [21:46] i3lack0p (n=merlin@74-133-32-86.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-194-115.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:47] nullify (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:48] nullify (i=n@68-114-223-90.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-192-81.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:48] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [21:49] sorry phone [21:49] rk4n3: Wellt he issue with rsync is both ends need to have the same users/groups to keep permissions properly [21:50] Dominian: yeah, true [21:50] Dominian: but you're not going to ensure that ? [21:50] well, the other kicker [21:50] The only way to keep th epermissions.. you'd have to rsync as root [21:50] Dominian: smells like kitty poo! [21:50] >.< [21:50] /runs [21:50] that in itself is a security no no in my book [21:51] Dominian: aha - yep, unless you organized multiple rsync's by user, I guess [21:51] rk4n3: and sticking email into mysql just.. doesn't make me feel too good inside hehe [21:51] Dominian: how about me posting my root password to a webpage, is that a security no no? [21:51] I knew abou t the replication model.. that shouldn't be too difficult. [21:51] Dominian: yeah, email in DB isn't too appealing [21:51] tecky: sure [21:52] Dominian: so I should or shouldn't do that? [21:52] rk4n3: The only way to make this work properly.. to have email available to both boxes.. would to have a mounted remote datastoer hosted somewhere else [21:52] Dominian: cuz i'm very confused! [21:52] I know PAM is not used in slackware and have been using NIS for years for auth... im looking into rolling into OpenLDAP so i can crossbreed my new windows/slackware network are there any howtos or docs on getting slackware to support LDAP auth like it does NIS? [21:52] i3lack0p: You can get PAM in slackware very easily [21:52] getting the applications to use PAM is the hard part [21:52] but i dont want to if i dont have too [21:52] well not hard.. per se.. but tedious [21:52] dim dim dim [21:53] wow nasty typo [21:53] that should say "dun dun duN" [21:53] i3lack0p: there are a lot of tutorials on using LDAP on the web.. gentoo's wiki had a really good one at one point [21:53] ok [21:53] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "haya~" [21:54] i3lack0p : beware, you can use only one type of encryption for ldap if you want to use it with nss_ldap [21:56] Dominian: OK, here's a potentially-wacky idea ... [21:57] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Dominian: you're already signing up for the consumption of the bandwidth required to transport like data changes between the servers [21:57] Urchlay: For your MP3 CD organizing, try this: http://drop.io/r24fvtg (requires the pymad library) [21:58] Dominian: given that, what if you did a mirrored LVM volume using network block device (nbd) ? [21:58] Dominian: and basically just share a filesystem [21:58] 'just share a filesystem' is not as easy as it sounds [21:59] yeah, getting the software to cooperate I guess is the next concern [21:59] ok... basically i have 2 windows servers, primary slackware servers, and an n-teir slackware cloud im building... 1 slackware server is to be proxy/loadbalance gateway, 2 slackware servers will be attached to SAN hosting CIFS and NFS shares to the windows servers and the n-teir cloud and the final slackware server will be web server... the 2 slackware servers I am hosting the san on im wanting to also make LDAP/SAMBA PDC auth server f [21:59] you'd need a clustering fs, if you want to access the same block device on multiple hosts [22:00] all of this is being built on Amazon [22:00] 's EC2 cloud [22:00] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [22:01] hrm [22:01] cluster fs ananke ? [22:02] ananke: not technically - nbd makes a block device on one host appear as a local block device on another host, but I do see your point - I was missing the active-active requirement again [22:02] v4nelle (n=van@adsl42-150.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] rk4n3: well, a time delay wouldn't be bad [22:02] This is more for fail over than anything I guess [22:03] rk4n3 : it's not an issue of having said block device. the issue is accessing said block device from multiple hosts at the same time [22:03] basically if servera goes down serverb takes over email.. when servera comes back up.. both servers sync the new data and off they go [22:03] Dominian: if you can remove the active-active requirement, that would make a big difference [22:03] ananke: yeah, I getcha there [22:03] hrm [22:03] yeah.. I got some more research to do [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] syncing the DBs won't be too difficult [22:04] Dominian : yeah, cxfs, gpfs, lustre, etc [22:04] I'll have to establish a secured tunnel between the two boxes before I do that though [22:04] Dominian: Not if you can drop the active-active requirement [22:04] Dominian: basically if you can ensure that one of the systems is passive until needed, that makes things a whole heck of a lot simpler [22:04] ananke: none of which slackware supports eh? [22:04] correct [22:04] rk4n3: well passive is fine [22:04] However, both servers, even passive, can still accept email and transmit it for the domains it does email for.. [22:04] basically mx10 and mx20 [22:05] I guess.. now that I think about it.. it doesn't matter [22:05] the only thing the two servers really *need* to know about.. are the DBs [22:05] for authentication purposes.. the flat file email data doesn't really matter at this point.. if the server is down THAT long that the failove rhas to kick in.. there are bigger issues [22:06] bloody mosquito ! [22:06] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] This is one of those things where I need to look for a stable/reliable host to keep JUST for email [22:06] and make sure there are good backup strategies in place etc [22:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=mernil@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se expired. [22:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=mernil@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:07] hrm.. wonder how much a small linode is [22:07] 19.95 a month.. damn.. can't justify that with the wife :D [22:08] Dominian: is there really a need for two geographically-separated servers, or is that just how it happens to be ? [22:08] just how it happens [22:08] If these were in the same data center.. they'd be clustered already :) [22:08] aha [22:08] Dominian: The way to justify it is to spend around $40/month. 19.95 for you linode, the rest goes to your wife... [22:08] haha [22:08] cmk_zzz: good luck making that work [22:09] :) [22:09] ananke: Do you use bacula by chance? [22:09] Action: Dominian changes gears [22:10] Dominian : i'm actually in the process of researching it [22:10] ah [22:10] we use tsm as our primary backup solution [22:10] ananke: Why is it.. I ask you questions right as you're starting to research it? :P quit that [22:10] Action: ananke looks over at the 10 tabs of open bacula docs [22:10] In your research, have you seen how it does on differential stuff? or even incremental? [22:11] wait it will do differential an dincrementals.. [22:11] I need to see if it keeps permissions in the backup archive... [22:11] i know it does incrementals, not sure about diffs [22:11] incrementals should work.. only backing up what changed would probably be much "better" for bandwidth.. after the initial backup that is [22:12] that i'm not sure about - it may keep them in the database. a lot of those solutions keep metadata in a database [22:12] brb [22:12] ananke: basically .. I'm thinking of running bacula storage at home... then remotely backing up my VPS to home.. [22:12] Action: Dominian looks at the compression it uses... [22:13] hrm.. gzip [22:14] too bad it doesn' tdo lzma [22:16] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:19] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left irc: No route to host [22:20] Hey Guys, I'm trying to install wine-doors but I cannot find the last dependency "orange" [22:21] TLinton (n=TLinton_@ip98-165-98-57.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] search slackbuilds.org and if it is not there search freshmeat.net [22:24] Vic1ous, i gave up on wine-doors [22:24] orange refuses to compile [22:25] or one of it's dependencies forget now [22:25] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] dang! both sbo and freshmeat does not have it [22:25] yeah [22:25] its a pain to find [22:25] what did you end up using juice [22:25] just wine? [22:25] yeah [22:26] orange wanted qt4 or qt2.3 [22:26] Nick change: egregor -> drone [22:26] Nick change: drone -> egregor [22:27] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] manwich-laptop (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] here it complains [22:28] can't find sipconfig, qt version, and pyqwt [22:28] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] also Can not determine GCC version [22:29] gcc -V or somesuch [22:29] -v [22:29] (lowercase) [22:29] i know how [22:29] the program is complaining [22:30] hmm actually I might try this wine-doors again [22:30] juice, 64bit ? [22:30] Nick change: egregor -> landkreuzer [22:30] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.86.245) joined ##slackware. [22:31] i3lack0p (n=merlin@74-133-32-86.dhcp.insightbb.com) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [22:33] see you pp [22:33] ppl [22:33] I need to sleep or my wife cut my eggs [22:34] <|Slacker|> bye bye b0y [22:34] Camarade_Tux, 32 [22:35] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "cya" [22:36] kunal (n=kunalio@ppp-124-121-212-76.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [22:36] hello. [22:36] anyone here does webhosting? [22:37] as in running a company providing webhosting? [22:38] as in someone who has made a website and has got hosting done by a webhosting company [22:39] i am looking for one. i found something but I am not sure how exactly it works [22:39] 16 Shares - $256.00 excl. VAT / month [22:39] (*) For annual shares (shares that are purchased for a fixed one-year period) the price is reduced to $168.00 per year per share [22:39] what does this mean? [22:40] Vic1ous (n=vic1ous@75-120-142-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] groo_ (n=groo@189.116.32.4) joined ##slackware. [22:41] ?? you might want to contact them to see how they define a "share". And if you only want them to host your web-site $256 sounds awfully expensive [22:41] yeah, I can nearly see the sun on the horizon [22:41] the light at the end of the tunnel? [22:41] oes [22:43] cmk_zzz : true. [22:50] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [22:52] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:52] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] crashx- (n=relaxed@h236.202.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "Leaving." [22:55] where can I find the old testing packages from 12.2 [22:55] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [22:56] old, as in what? [22:56] n/m [22:56] PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2.tgz [22:57] i found a mirror [22:58] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:59] meh I am not messing with this [22:59] i'll wait for slackware 13 [22:59] crashx- (n=relaxed@h236.202.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] then all of this will work [22:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:01] http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/alien/ [23:01] hmm now that is something that could be of use [23:01] juice: spoken like a true developer! A just wait until next version. Then "everything" will work:) [23:01] cmk_zzz, no but I am not compiling qt4 right now [23:02] for wine-doors/orange [23:02] dchmelik (i=1000@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:18] where does the word tethering come from? (sorry probably wrong place to ask) [23:18] hi [23:18] please dont do this to me too [23:18] TLinton (n=TLinton_@ip98-165-98-57.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] i have a laptop (windows) and i want to access a particular file in a particular partition on this computer (linux), what is the best way to do that? [23:18] TLinton (n=TLinton_@ip98-165-108-220.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] test34, wikipedia [23:19] juice: I didnt see anything on the tethering page on wikipedia [23:19] missyjane, what filesystem? [23:19] missyjane: ssh ? [23:19] on the linux partition? [23:20] ext3 [23:20] the partition type doesnt matter with ssh [23:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:21] how do you think they are going to run linux and windows at the same time [23:21] on the same system so that would be possible to do [23:21] juice: I understand this was 2 different computers [23:21] nope same computer [23:22] same computer separate partition [23:22] my mistake.. [23:22] missyjane, try explore2fs [23:22] no no [23:22] two different computer [23:22] meh [23:22] one is a laptop, one is a pc, the laptop is windows, the pc is a slackware [23:22] that isn't what you said [23:22] thats what i said [23:22] thats what I thought [23:22] ;) [23:22] i have a laptop (windows) and i want to access a particular file in a particular partition on this computer [23:22] <|Slacker|> putty and ssh to the linux box [23:22] no it isn't [23:23] try ssh missyjame or samba [23:23] you said it was on the same machine [23:23] not same machine, i dont need to access myself [23:23] crap [23:23] well then post the question properly [23:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:23] are you sure? [23:23] Nick change: landkreuzer -> thetrooper [23:24] missyjane: ssh or samba [23:24] 100% sure [23:24] samba then i guess hm [23:24] I vote ssh [23:24] <|Slacker|> missyjane, you're on winblows and wants to access slack, right? [23:24] yes [23:24] and slackware is on another computer [23:24] <|Slacker|> download putty and ssh to slack [23:25] im getting tons of ppl telling me to use samba, why not samba? [23:25] <|Slacker|> well...if samba is not setup properly it'll be a waste of your time [23:26] how come? [23:26] <|Slacker|> but anyway...if sshd is of there it will be a waste anyway [23:26] <|Slacker|> *off [23:26] i dont understand.. [23:26] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-152-37.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] <|Slacker|> first of all...are the machines in the same network? [23:27] yes [23:27] im holding the laptop right now in fact :o [23:27] and ircing from this slackware [23:27] <|Slacker|> is samba up? [23:28] ftp :P [23:28] use DCC SEND [23:28] <|Slacker|> test34, lol! good idea :p [23:28] nope i just need a software that work [23:28] like samba or ssh theni would google the rest [23:29] i just udnno which is better, ssh or samba [23:29] missyjane: which is better windows or linux [23:29] just use SSH [23:29] linux [23:29] lol [23:29] <|Slacker|> well...if samba is up and running, I think it's the easiest way [23:29] yea i have samba installed it seems, but not installed on windows [23:30] <|Slacker|> you don't need it on winblows [23:30] missyjane: how often do you need that file [23:31] <|Slacker|> samba allows you to access shares in winblows [23:31] missyjane: how about vnc [23:31] often enough, probably once every 2-3 days [23:31] i guess ill do ssh [23:32] i'd do ftp unless you need secure copying [23:32] then you could still use sftp [23:32] hm [23:32] yeah ftp and restrict access to local network ? [23:33] nah, looks like samba is ag reat choice [23:33] so many different ways [23:33] usb drive [23:33] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdlkja@68.197.241.235) joined ##slackware. [23:33] hello gents [23:33] missyjane: how about a bluetooth network [23:33] <|Slacker|> you could even solve your problem with a thumbdrive :p [23:33] <|Slacker|> hello feinom_ [23:34] |Slacker|, beat ya too it :P [23:34] test34, i dunno how to setup bluetooth on slackware but bluetooth is setup on the laptop tho [23:34] <|Slacker|> oops [23:34] <|Slacker|> Fenix-Dark, [23:34] juice this is strictly a network thing for me [23:34] <|Slacker|> juice, :p [23:35] missyjane: So if you have samba setup on your slackware box, just do run command: \\slackware-server-ip\share-name and you are done [23:35] from the windows box that is [23:35] how many of you guys are running the 64 bit slackware? [23:35] scp is much better;) [23:35] Fenix-Dark: I did for a while [23:35] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] until I decided it was not worth thew trouble [23:36] test34, why did you stop? [23:36] some apps didnt support 64bit [23:36] which? [23:37] I don't remember.. and it might be supported now... but Blender did seem faster on 64bit [23:37] that was probably almost a year ago [23:37] groo_ (n=groo@unaffiliated/groo) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [23:37] oh, slamd64, not the new official 64-bit slackware [23:38] Nick change: cava -> _ohm [23:38] yes slamd64.. I didnt know they now had an official slack64 [23:38] i ran that too for a while, the lack of flash and having to edit lots of slackbuilds to get ffmpeg made me go back to 32-bit slack. gonna give it another try once its released [23:38] cmk_zzz, that looks great, i just have to learn about setting up samba, i see it in kde so its on here (since i also did full install on slackware) [23:39] "eady or not, Slackware has now gone 64-bit with an official x86_64 port being maintained in-sync with the regular x86 -current branch. DVDs will be available for purchase from the Slackware store when Slackware 13.0 is released. Many thanks go out to the Slackware team for their help with this branch and a special thank you to Eric Hameleers who did the real heavy lifting re-compiling everything for this architecture, testing, re-testing, and sta [23:39] ready* [23:39] so it isn't out yet? [23:39] its in -current [23:40] slackware 13? is that serious? [23:40] " Slackware64 -current made public! " [23:40] are they skipping version numbers again ?? [23:40] no [23:40] test34: say what? [23:40] 12.2 to 13.0 is not a skip [23:40] missyjane: yes 13.0 will be the next version. [23:41] ok [23:41] sorry [23:41] And I hope it releases on a friday the 13th [23:41] XGizzmo_: that would be awesome :) [23:41] at 13:13 :P [23:41] yup [23:41] <|Slacker|> yeah! \O/ [23:41] missyjane: samba is quite easy to setup (at least from the command line). Have a look at the /etc/samba/smb.conf-sample and read the man pages and you'll be fine [23:41] but that would mean we have to wait till November. [23:41] XGizzmo_: actually ... I retract that. I don't hope that. [23:41] exactly :) [23:41] BP{k}, not everyone does military time, so it would be 1:13 for others and lose the effect [23:41] :) [23:42] ApOgEE- (i=apogeek@my.grandma.uses.shellium.org) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [23:42] I was thinking 4->7 [23:43] BP{k}: or 13:37 [23:43] going to 64 bit deserves a full numbering scheme integer increase [23:43] Action: cmk_zzz likes Friday 13th's. He even got married on one [23:43] ok [23:43] ty everyone, much appreciated [23:43] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:43] Fenix-Dark: nah. That is not what triggered the 13.0 switch to be honest (or at least I don't think so) [23:44] BP{k}, i know it didnt, but that alone is worthy of it [23:44] probably the qt3 -> qt4 would have been enough [23:44] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] its also better for reference purposes, slackware 13>= is 64-bit [23:44] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [23:44] New kernel, new X, new XFCE, new KDE. [23:45] err >= 13* [23:45] BP{k}, its kde 4? [23:45] tons of new libs [23:45] Fenix-Dark: yep KDE 4.2.3 IIRC [23:45] i've been wanting to try that out for some time now [23:45] though i'm a bad slacker, have been using windows mostly [23:46] wonder if syslinux could be made smart enough to detect when it's running on a 64-bit-capable machine, and offer the choice of which kernel to boot... [23:46] Fenix-Dark: Then you are not just a bad slacker. You are a bad person ;) [23:46] i setup a windows partition for some games wc3 and tf2 (mostly since a wc3 update killed wine support) [23:46] Action: Urchlay still is mentally playing with the idea of a single iso image that can install either 32-bit or 64-bit slackware [23:46] Fenix-Dark: warcraft 3? did they break wine on purpose, or do you know? [23:47] i believe its the new ad banner scheme that broke it [23:47] Number 4 (Û; accounting †; pinyin sì) is considered an unlucky number in Chinese .... [23:47] so kde 4 with slack 13 [23:47] Urchlay http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17809 [23:47] Urchlay: I should not be hard to do. [23:47] sad thing is that wc3 worked nearly flawless in wine, aside from alt + tab which is probably a kde thing now wine [23:47] ad banners where? in the startup screens, or actually while you're playing the game? [23:47] no, at the top in bnet [23:48] XGizzmo_: not hard, but it won't do itself either... [23:48] you have about a 10 second time frame to join a game or else it will crash, if you get in a game its fine [23:48] Fenix-Dark: even that, I'd consider objectionable if I played that game [23:48] i'm not saying bliz intentionally broke it [23:48] probably not [23:49] i just need my fix so i installed windows [23:49] if they wanted to intentionally break wine support, they probably could just recompile without openGL support [23:49] well they have native os x support so that would be dumb [23:49] (it sort-of works on wine with directx emulation, but not well) [23:50] yeah, they'd only comment out the openGL stuff on the windows build, in that case [23:50] it ain't like you could get the source and uncomment the stuff yourself [23:50] and i'm pretty sure one (maybe more) of the bliz devs also works on X aswell so i doubt they'd go out of their way to hurt wine support in linux when they have some linux fans there [23:51] well cool... but not as cool as if they'd let those linux-fan-dev people actually do up a Linux build of the game :( [23:51] all things considered, they have some of the best wine supported games out there [23:51] diablo 2, starcraft, WoW (afaik) work nearly flawlessly in wine [23:51] yeah, I've been playing "age of empires" and it's basically unplayable in wine (have to use vbox + win2k) [23:52] wc3 needs 3d hardware accel or its unplayable so that wouldnt work for me :( [23:52] I've seen WoW in wine before, looked like it was running just fine. The only thing wrong with it, was that it was WoW :) [23:52] heh [23:52] Where are wine system files stored? [23:52] not a WoW fan myself [23:53] lolwut, there are user specific files in the /home/$user/.wine dir [23:53] well, wc3 on wine with -opengl parameter, and you get nice HW accel... but I've only ever loaded it up & played a couple single-player campaigns [23:53] i'm big on the bnet wc3 play [23:53] not a WoW fan either, mostly because I'm not a fan of the kind of people who play it all the time [23:54] tf2 also worked in wine but it was much more fickle and a pain to get working, not to mention frame rate was mediocre and it was dx8 gfx [23:54] Fenix-Dark, thanks ive been searching forever lol [23:54] lol [23:54] remember to run 'winecfg' as user [23:54] kunal (n=kunalio@ppp-124-121-212-76.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: [23:55] Fenix-Dark: when you play wc3, are you playing team vs. team, or is it every man for himself? [23:55] i usually do 2v2 [23:55] and the occasional 4 player ffa [23:55] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [23:56] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [23:57] Fenix-Dark, is there some sort of GUI for installed wine programs and the file system or is it all command line? [23:58] deathmatch/free-for-all games against total strangers are no fun to me [23:58] lolwut: there is playonlinux [23:58] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:58] lolwut: it has a more gui-friendly approach [23:58] team v. team would be cool, maybe I'll start playing wc3 again when/if the wine issue gets fixed [23:58] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-67-180.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] stealth-, oh tnx [00:00] --- Thu Jun 18 2009