[00:02] probably because they didn't buy openssh from microsoft or mcafee or whoever, ergo it can't possibly be any good [00:02] these are people who think security is a product... [00:04] yes, sadly enough I think you are right. silly buggers [00:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:07] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] cmk_zzz, because perhaps ssh and vpn software are two very different things? i also prefere their way, a vpn and then ssh [00:08] Hey nachox, how's it going? [00:08] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] sleepy... i cant believe i'm still awake :P [00:08] lol [00:09] how's your CISSP studies coming along? [00:12] Decoy- (n=Decoy@rrcs-70-63-108-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] nachox: fair enough. From my simplistic point of view ssh does the job nicely. It would be better if they used some decent vpn software though. [00:12] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-252.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [00:12] cmk_zzz, what do they use? [00:13] nachox: different customers, different vpns. PPTP, OpenVPN, CiscoVPN, SSL Explorer, and I am sure there are a few others which I haven't mentioned. [00:13] firebird619, doing fine, i have time i guess, i'm already in domain 6 in my audiobook, but i have to start making tests [00:15] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] and I've seldom have had any problems connecting with ssh whereas I often need to contact them because the vpn doesnt work. Is that because they are lousy administrators or because VPN is more complex and harder to manage? Who knows. 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[00:18] oh... linux clients... right... like 0.5% of the market, i'm sure it's important to have clients for them [00:19] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:19] icpu (n=ameer@cpe-24-29-194-107.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] eh, except sometimes a server machine has a dire need to run a vpn client [00:20] <|Slacker|> see ya ppl [00:20] <|Slacker|> gotta hit the hay [00:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [00:21] nachox: That is not the point. You can write stuff in a platform independent way if you think before you act. If they can't easily support other platforms it is quite likely their software design sucks, and if so, the entire application sucks. There are of course a number of exceptions to this case [00:23] Action: cmk_zzz needs to stop his rants [00:23] f'rinstance. Company A sells something like credit histories, and they provide them via VPN-secured web service. Anybody who just wants to run a few reports can install whatever VPN client is needed, on their desktop [00:23] ;) [00:23] thanks [00:23] yw [00:23] :P [00:24] penguin08 (n=jack@rrcs-208-105-103-147.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:24] Company B is a giant trucking line, hiring hundreds of drivers, and needs to have their HR system automatically pull the reports from company A. Further, their internal system is a web app that runs on a Linux server... [00:25] Urchlay, if your SERVER machine, needs to run a vpn client, then you have infrastructure problems, your firewalls should take care of setting permanent like that up and tear them down when unused [00:25] with the windows-only VPN solution, somebody has to install the VPN client on everybody's desktop, then teach them how to copy & paste between the company A web service and the company B HR app [00:25] cmk_zzz, platform independence is easier said than done unfortunately... even java, which was planned for that fails miserably [00:26] nachox: yes, if it's anything sane, I agree... but I've used Linux firewalls in production before, too [00:26] and I've used funky VPN setups where they insisted we run a particular client on our end [00:27] Urchlay, small companies do use linux as firewalls. the rest of the world uses something with cisco, symantec or the like somewhere in the case :P [00:27] meaning the Linux firewall box would need Wine and X installed to run their retarded GUI-oriented Windows-only desktop VPN client... [00:27] well Cisco routers would have a bitch of a time running proprietary windows software, too [00:28] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-43-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] How do I send audio through my HDMI port? (HP dv5 laptop) [00:28] I plugged it into my TV [00:28] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [00:29] slack or slamd on a core2quad ? [00:29] Urchlay, why? cisco's vpn client works everywhere as far as i know [00:29] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [00:29] 9 [00:29] nachox: i don't think it is officially supported under linux any longer, but there are clients that work with cisco. [00:29] 9 [00:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Wayne Gretzky [00:30] cmk_zzz, i think there is a linux client, there is no solaris client [00:30] nachox: in this case (was a few years ago), the actual VPM tech in use was IPSEC, which works with everything, but they *demanded* that we run a *specific* windows-only ipsec client [00:30] not even one by cisco [00:31] supposedly they were going to send auditors around to ensure compliance... they never did though, and my openBSD ipsec box worked just fine [00:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:32] nachox: There was up until version 4 or something like that. From v5 and forward no linux yet :/ [00:32] Urchlay, ipsec is a bitch with nat arround unfortunately [00:32] but again, I have been mistaken before. actually, I am mistaken most of the times. [00:32] -s [00:33] the really amusing thing: about a week after we got things running smoothly, I happened to notice the "secure, VPN-only" web server was also listening on port 80 on its public IP address, and requests to the "secure" service would go through just fine on the completely insecure port... [00:33] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] nice [00:34] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:34] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [00:35] I found the best website ever http://tinyurl.com/28mex7 [00:36] i'm off to sleep, night guys [00:37] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] good night [00:37] night nachox [00:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.99) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] good evening everyone [00:39] y0 slackmagic, how's it going? [00:40] firebird619: not bad, how are you? [00:40] slackmagic: doing great, thanks. Just trying to get dovecot working how I want. :P [00:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on help!*@* expired. [00:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:41] still on kde4. :P [00:41] firebird619: cool, yeah I can't wait til 13.0 comes out, so I can give kde4 a try [00:41] ah, just upgrade to -current. :P [00:42] 13 I don't will will be much longer of a wait. [00:42] whoops. repeated will there. :P [00:42] s/will/think/ [00:42] firebird619: yeah I'm too lazy, also I don't really have the skills to contribute to fixing the bugs and what have you. So I'm happy with the stable releases :) [00:42] sometimes we we do that [00:43] yup yup, we sure do. [00:43] in back to the future 2, then they are in the future cafe the tv cast screws up and he goes "beef beef beef or pork" [00:43] lol [00:44] I don't think I ever seen back to the future 2. [00:44] ok that's -2 on the geek score for you [00:44] hahaha [00:45] :( [00:45] It's more like "bee- bee- beef or pork". [00:45] see, ccfreak2k knows [00:45] antiwire: what am I on the duke nukem scale? :P [00:45] -2, well at least it's not -10 [00:45] well you have to be in the positive territory before we can remove points... [00:45] bahahahaha [00:46] lol [00:46] How do I earn points? (Do I dare ask?) :D [00:47] if you can kill Camarade's lagging, bouncing player then you get 2 points [00:47] eh, so, game going on? [00:47] I killed him out of shear luck with the RPG by waiting until he flew up to the blimp and then shooting him along with the blimp [00:48] It lags like mad. we need a real server with a fat pipe [00:48] it works better over the lan [00:48] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [00:48] antiwire: That's easy to kill, relocation out of France. :P [00:48] what, camarade_tux was running the server? [00:48] no i was [00:48] bu camarade lags so bad and then he takes the steroids so it basically means he wins [00:49] oh [00:49] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [00:49] he also ice gun rapes [00:49] be aware [00:49] if it's any consolation, his weenie is probably small as a peanut after all those steroids... [00:49] lol [00:49] hahaha [00:49] I still can't believe he killed with the ice gun [00:50] that's a load of bs [00:50] what, freeze someone, then quick-kick them? [00:50] anyone one watched royal pains? [00:50] yeah he got me [00:50] antiwire: that day you, me, and him played, he killed me that way several times. :P [00:50] my favorite used to be to shrink people, then step on em [00:50] that, and tripwire (lasers, whatever they're called) [00:50] lol [00:51] the trip wire is awesome, and the multiple pipe bomb attack [00:51] yeah [00:51] you're making me want to play [00:51] how many victims^Wplayers have we got here? [00:52] 5? [00:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] I'm down but I can't serve because it seems to suck when i do [00:53] I can't serve cause I don't have the admin password for the crappy nat router here [00:53] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [00:53] (it's not mine, so that sorta makes sense...) [00:54] Action: cmk_zzz only plays XPilot [00:54] Action: Urchlay can't fly worth a crap [00:55] When I used M$, I loved the M$ Flight Simulator [00:55] you wouldn't have to shoot at me, I'd crash the plane (or never get it off the ground, if I have to do the takeoff myself) [00:55] I love the Ace Combat Series for the game consoles. [00:55] used to play Flight Sim back when it was still called SubLogic Flight Simulator [00:55] well time for Friday night. See you guys. Don't kill each other [00:55] (before MS bought it, if that's what happened) [00:56] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:56] Urchlay: I still have Flight Simulator 98 discs. I think it was 98 anyway. [00:56] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [00:56] eh, this would be for the atari 800 and apple II, released in 1979 or 1980 [00:56] haha, a lot older then. [00:56] I only have one Microsoft Flight Simulator 98 disc. [00:57] also I had the MS version for the Atari ST (16-bit) [00:57] flight sim 4.0 I think it was, a lot smoother than playing on those old 8-bit machines, but I still sucked at flying [00:57] I can't even get very far at the nintendo "pilot wings" game [00:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [00:59] (although it's not the flying that kills me, it's the parachute jump) [01:00] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [01:01] It's not the parachute jump, it's the landing. ;) [01:02] gun21 (n=topgun21@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: "Good night and Good Luck!" [01:04] gun21 (n=topgun21@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [01:05] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:06] it's the wind [01:06] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [01:06] I mean usually my guy doesn't die, I land OK, but nowhere near the target [01:07] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:07] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-32-177.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:09] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hm. Sounds like one of my case fans is about to grind itself to death [01:10] nope it's not the CPU fan... it just went silent, whatever it was [01:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-43-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:12] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Hello! [01:14] ..and now it's making noise again. *shrug* [01:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:21] That monica noobfarm is great [01:23] i added that :) [01:23] juice: was it really a turing attempt? [01:24] sanitation worker as the profession got me [01:24] turing attempt? [01:24] what do you mean? [01:24] yeah, the turing test [01:24] 'Am I a bot or a human' [01:24] oh [01:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test [01:24] amibotornot.com? [01:25] most of the so-called humans you meet on IRC would flunk the turing test [01:25] MLanden_reallyol (n=versa@pool-162-84-121-11.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Turing test? [01:25] Which one? [01:25] Heya,folks....How's everyone? [01:25] http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1562 [01:25] Action: Motoko-chan is meh [01:25] the one where they talk for a while, and I decide they're too stoopid to be humans, therefore they're bots [01:25] hey MLanden_reallyol, doing great here, you? [01:26] oh i'm all wet ty been working outside [01:26] antiwire, lol [01:26] Far out. Why are you wet ty been working outside. [01:26] Doin' great,firebird619 [01:26] lol [01:26] *dead* giveaway [01:26] your experience on irc may also play a role on determining if it's a bot or not [01:27] just messin' with this old 100mhz..seein' if the card still functions [01:27] actually that's my experience with the Eliza program on ancient machines... [01:27] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] j0z (n=linda@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [01:27] the "far out" wasn't in Eliza, but the "why are you $whatever" where $whatever is exactly what the user typed, was in there [01:27] heh [01:28] Action: Motoko-chan is an advanced AI [01:28] My cpu is a neural net processor, a learning computer. [01:29] bleah. Who wants a smart computer? I want one that does what I tell it, instead of being smart enough to be lazy [01:29] Action: Motoko-chan is kinda like Cameron (Summer Glau) from T:TSCC, but not as hot [01:29] summer glau, aka River from Firefly.. mmmm, tasty [01:29] Indeed [01:30] http://xkcd.com/311/ [01:30] Related [01:30] dusty_ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:30] fishmore totally screws it up at this point " you hip ?" [01:30] nice [01:30] practically puts the damn thing into debug mode [01:30] Why? [01:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [01:31] another classic Eliza response: Does "it" still refer to wet ty been working outside? [01:31] well look at the response " That's good information:  said I naked." [01:31] and earlier it replied with a quoted space too [01:31] even if I'd never heard of Eliza or IRC bots before I would be scratching my head at that one [01:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Needs less Eliza and more Eliza Dushku. [01:32] haha. 5/Robot/California. [01:32] lol [01:32] Motoko-chan: I always wanted to see Eliza Dushku beat the crap out of Buffy [01:33] I mean I want to breat the crap out of her myself, but I don't like hitting girls... [01:33] I wouldn't mind some mud wrestling between ED and SMG [01:33] s/mud/jello/ and it'd be perfect [01:33] I always think of the interrogation scene in blade runner when the turing test comes up [01:33] But you know SG would get involved and kick both their asses. [01:34] antiwire, I don't remember that part. [01:34] antiwire: that scene is really cool, and has almost nothing to do with reality :) [01:34] lol [01:34] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:35] "Is this test to see whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian, Mr. Deckard?" [01:35] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] lol,Urchlay [01:35] in 1980 that line all by itself probably got the movie its R rating [01:35] hi [01:36] Action: init[1]|znc o/ [01:36] so quickie vote, then: who here thinks harrison ford's character in bladerunner was a replicant? [01:36] (based on what's in the movie, not anything the director said in any interviews afterward...) [01:37] not me [01:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] anyone else? [01:38] Nick change: init[1]|znc -> init[1] [01:38] Action: Motoko-chan doesn't know enough and abstains [01:38] Motoko-chan: for your penance, you must watch the movie again [01:39] I broke the sad bot http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/cheer-up-the-chatbot/ [01:39] it called me a bitch so i asked it if it knew what a bitch was and it stopped talking [01:39] I WIN [01:41] antiwire: 1 bot: 0 :D [01:42] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc439.html [01:42] 2 bots duking it out [01:42] I win! [01:42] I asked the sad bot if it was happy, and it said yes [01:43] Urchlay, especially not since Deckard is having an internal mental and emotional struggle about replicants in the first place. machines don't have complex philosophical and moral debates in their minds [01:43] Motoko-chan: It's a fail bot [01:43] Indeed. [01:44] TwinReverb: eh, well, replicants do though... that's part of the question the movie asks: once machines become able to think and feel, can we treat them as nonhuman any more? [01:44] (my opinion anyway) [01:44] Urchlay, i still don't think he is [01:44] part of that's based on reading the book though (do androids dream of electric sheep?), which has a lot of stuff that never made it into the movie [01:45] TwinReverb: I don't either, actually [01:45] in the book there's no ambiguity, he's human (for a while he thinks he might not be, but that gets resolved) [01:46] i'm a huge fan of the soundtrack (Vangelis rocks) [01:46] I think people are running the sad bot [01:46] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:47] TwinReverb: what was the deal with the soundtrack album? had stuff that was cut from the movie, or re-recorded, or something? [01:48] some stuff cut from it, some from the director's cut, etc [01:49] it's an album by Vangelis, so he may have included stuff that wasn't directly noticed [01:49] Vangelis rocks though [01:49] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:50] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [01:50] i have his Direct, Voices, Oceanic, and Chariots of Fire albums and he just plain rocks [01:51] and i am back home and i didn't even die! [01:51] all I've ever heard by him is the Blade Runner soundtrack and the theme song to Chariots of Fire [01:51] good stuff [01:51] you should seriously buy some of his albums [01:51] oh, and i owned or used to own The City [01:51] when I stop being broke I'll go on an album-buying spree... been a while [01:52] when he strays into rock territory with electric guitars, he does stuff that just plain rocks [01:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [01:52] I can believe it [01:53] some day if i get the chance i'm going to visit the music university that he teaches at in Greece with my rig and play his stuff out doors at the gazebo [01:53] see if i can entice him outside [01:53] Good news everyone! [01:53] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [01:54] ... [01:54] ? [01:54] we're waiting for you to tell us what this good news is [01:54] I've decided to move to Zurich! [01:54] Action: TwinReverb has to go get lunch [01:55] I thought you were going to tell us we had a package to deliver to the Planet of Terror [01:55] Well, to try anyway. We'll see if i get accepted at ETH or not ;) [01:55] Urchlay, I wish. [01:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:57] don't let any wire touch the antiwire, or there'll be a huge explosion... [01:58] also, keep your pasta away from my antipasta salad! [01:59] Urchlay: What's the matter with your antimatter?..:D [01:59] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:01] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] baccardi (n=nera@88.119.189.51) joined ##slackware. [02:01] MLanden_reallyol: it doesn't matter [02:01] Urchlay: gotcha [02:02] remember going to the eye doctor once, he's like "oh, you have some matter in your eye" [02:02] and all I could think was "whew, at least it's not antimatter" [02:02] landy (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) joined ##slackware. [02:02] that probably indicates a lonely childhood spent watching too much star trek [02:04] either that or I ripped off a joke from steven wright (it sounds like something he might say) [02:05] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] could be [02:05] nheco (n=nheco@200-96-80-95.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:08] BBIAB [02:09] MLanden_reallyol (n=versa@pool-162-84-121-11.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.4" [02:09] xdan779 (n=daniel@98.227.170.111) joined ##slackware. [02:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] "Today, I was driving in my car when out of the corner of my eye I notice a car pulling up next to me trying to get past me. I speed up, so as not to let the car pass me. It took me a while before I noticed I was racing against the shadow of my own car. FML" [02:09] http://www.fmylife.com/ [02:10] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [02:14] just going by the name of that site, it sounds like it would be entirely too depressing [02:14] no dude the opposite [02:14] it makes you feel fscking great [02:14] nitro25_ (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Today, a real estate agent showed my house to some buyers. I found out when I exited the shower, fully nude, to them in the hallway. FML [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [02:16] eh, that sounds too close to home to really be funny [02:16] lol [02:16] http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/2959523 [02:17] Nick change: landy -> vaibhav [02:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.16.235) joined ##slackware. [02:19] eh, this one can't be for real: Today, I was sitting in class and I fell asleep during the lesson. I was wearing sweatpants and had an erection. My teacher came up to me and grabbed my penis. She thought it was my phone. FML [02:19] that sounds like that site's equivalent of those fake-ass letters in penthouse [02:20] hey we've all had one or two teachers who we wouldn't have minded that too much [02:20] amiright [02:21] I had a Spanish teacher in high school who was *hot* -- I would have hit that like the hand of an angry god. [02:21] hahaha [02:21] my biology teacher in 10th grade [02:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.16.235) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] nobody in class believed she was even over 21 [02:21] Might not have been [02:22] I was 21 when I started teaching [02:22] I actually had a teacher named Miss Hickey [02:22] bwahaha [02:22] I know a guy whose last name is Hicks. [02:22] haha [02:22] He's a real redneck. [02:22] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [02:22] some Alan dude [02:22] yeah, that's him. [02:23] I knew a guy who never wore deodorant, and his name really was Dusty Pitts [02:23] HAHAHAHAHA [02:23] oh man [02:23] there also was a guy at my school (who I never met) whose name was Peter Wacker [02:23] Well, I've accomplished all I'm going to accomplish today, so I guess it's time for bed. [02:23] Urchlay: that's awesome. [02:23] g'night all. :) [02:23] night, rworkman [02:23] see ya [02:24] Fresh new updates at SBo :) [02:24] Peter Wacker. Now that's awesome [02:24] heh, after I've accomplished all I'm going to accomplish, it's time to do useless fun crap for the rest of the day :) [02:24] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtx252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] there is an old joke that goes something like... "On the first day of school, the teacher gets everyone to write their name on a piece of paper and pass it to the front. Then she calls out each kid's name and they stand up" [02:25] ahha [02:25] opps [02:25] "one kid writes 'Dick Hertz' on his paper" [02:26] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-43.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] "teacher calls out 'Dick Hertz', nobody stands up, she says 'Come on, who's Dick Hertz'" [02:26] "and the kid stands up and yells 'Mine does!'" [02:26] sighhhhh [02:26] TGIF [02:27] ...anyway I told that joke to a guy in the 10th grade. On the first day on 11th grade, he actually did that. Must have been a record, suspended 5 minutes into the new school year. [02:27] hey nix_chix0r [02:27] Urchlay: lol [02:27] one of my clients is some one i know heh [02:27] this is gona be akward [02:27] Their name isn't Dick Hertz, is it? :P [02:28] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:28] nix_chix0r: you don't need to do that [02:28] In fact it would be legally advisable to not do it. [02:28] awkward? eh, what is it you do for a living again? [02:29] disability company [02:29] ah [02:29] and the things i know heh [02:29] awkward and probably he's right, you shouldn't handle his case [02:29] and you can gracefully bow out by telling them it is a legal conflict of interest that the company does not allow [02:29] i will just have another case manager call him [02:30] Action: edman007 blackmails nix_chix0r [02:31] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:31] blackmail for what [02:32] dusty__ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:32] dusty_ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] nix_chix0r, i'll find something [02:32] probably involving a disabled pony [02:33] hah [02:33] sorry i deal with humans [02:33] dammit [02:34] you work for an insurance company or what, exactly? [02:34] nono indepenent local non lawyer reps [02:34] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [02:34] tomorrow i'll see how the laptop install of slack64 was [02:34] i left the office.. [02:34] ;) [02:34] from start to finish from initial, recons, hearings [02:34] to get their benifits [02:34] man i have so many laptops [02:34] jeev: but only one lap? [02:34] yup [02:34] spare a laptop jeev ? [02:35] i only have 7, sorry [02:35] ;/ [02:35] didn't you get one free? [02:35] i have a lap for one [02:35] yeah but mine is shitty [02:35] nix_chix0r, i'll prove that you are killing ponies to get benifits [02:35] this new one is shitty too [02:35] 1.8 core 2 duo, 1 gig ram [02:35] heh [02:35] doesnt even have a cd drive [02:35] bdamn [02:35] sucks [02:35] ask edman007 he's seen my craptop [02:35] http://www.fmylife.com/health/2867945 [02:35] it's shity [02:35] runs though\ [02:36] antiwire, that one sucks [02:36] nix_chix0r, you still didn't upgrade? [02:36] no [02:36] i think thats a crime, something i can use to blackmail you! [02:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.167) joined ##slackware. [02:38] edman007, i think the next time i go to ny i wont wear heels [02:38] payless sensible shoes [02:39] Dr. Martins! [02:39] I have a 10 year old pair of 10 holes [02:39] good & broken in [02:39] they are still in great shape too [02:39] and i'm not buying you dinner unless it's a 5dorra foot long [02:39] Orthopedic, baby [02:40] nix_chix0r, lol [02:40] http://www.fmylife.com/sex/21600 [02:40] hahahah [02:40] i remember it was like 57bucks for our food [02:40] hahaha [02:40] steak eater [02:41] that salad bar was pimp though [02:41] kinda wana go back [02:41] lol [02:41] steak sucked [02:41] i bet [02:42] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [02:42] chicken pot pie was good [02:42] i went to Benihanas in the city last month, that was good :) [02:42] and i just got back from FL :) [02:42] lucky [02:43] it's been a year since florida [02:43] shit almost year and half [02:43] Help! I was trying to install slackware64 from a premounted partition. But it says that the entered directory is wrong. [02:43] lol [02:43] nix_chix0r, i spent almost a whole month down there [02:43] I am using an usb installer. [02:43] i'm going to baltimore next month hopefully [02:43] nice [02:43] artscape festival [02:44] http://www.fmylife.com/love/341783 [02:44] hahahahahahah [02:44] ...my uncle just took his bird back from south korea, the bird was $700 just to go though customs [02:44] customs likes to rip people off [02:45] wtf 700 [02:45] hella lame [02:46] So, no help?! [02:46] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:46] yea, needs 48 hours in quarnatine, vet checks, ownership checks [02:46] bird? [02:46] yea, African Grey parrot [02:46] not an african swallow? [02:46] no :( [02:46] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] 'course, they're non-migratory [02:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_grey [02:47] only, no back feathers, this bird hates its feathers [02:47] pray, does it talk? :) [02:47] Urchlay, yea, english, german, and korean [02:47] damn [02:48] knows more languages than I do [02:48] my uncle is in the military, so the bird gets around [02:48] How do I make a proper install of the Slackware64 from local HDD? [02:49] pri4pus, you must first have an install DVD of it [02:49] eh, no, he got as far as it asking where the files are located [02:49] Well, I have an USB installer. [02:49] apparently he's got the "boot into the installer" thing licked [02:49] pri4pus: where do you have the packages? on a local hdd you said? [02:50] well whatever, USB installer [02:50] Yes, I have problems with pointing installer to the right directory. Actually I do type the right directory but it says it is wrong. [02:50] apparentlly he'll take me to the candy shop... [02:50] pri4pus: what are you typing, then? [02:50] if so i want licourice [02:50] nix_chix0r: black jellybeans rule! [02:50] hell yeah [02:51] Urchlay: I have them on /home/user/Desktop/downloads/slackware64-current-slackware64 [02:51] Urchlay: I have them on /home/user/Desktop/downloads/slackware64-current/slackware64 [02:51] pri4pus, shut up foo [02:51] ?! [02:52] pri4pus: and you mounted this /home partition after booting the installer? If so, you want to answer /home/user/Desktop/downloads/slackware64-current to the "where are the files" question [02:52] as in, leave off the trailing /slackware64 [02:52] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] (in fact I believe it says that right there on the screen?) [02:52] nix_chix0r, last time i was in the city i went to the candy shop! [02:53] i got a good 65% coco chocolate bar [02:53] Urchlay: I will try it again. [02:53] if you didn't mount it, well, you will have to do that. [02:53] lol [02:54] Urchlay: Premounted media option... [02:54] right [02:54] you did premount the media, then? [02:54] Nick change: xdan779 -> e [02:54] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:54] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-43.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:54] Nick change: e -> Guest74753 [02:55] Urchlay: From media resource I have choosen the Premounted media option. [02:55] Yes, I did mount the partition. [02:55] OK [02:55] on /home I suppose? [02:55] And I have tryed the /home/user/Desktop/downloads/slackware64-current "version" too. [02:56] Sorry for my english. :-) [02:56] you didn't answer my question: where did you mount it? [02:56] mmm i like more bitter chocolate [02:56] \/home [02:56] "/home" [02:56] pri4pus, come on now [02:57] is there a such thing as a minimal netinstall slackare usb stick image? [02:57] nix_chix0r: ?! [02:57] nix_chix0r, they had 90%+ [02:57] and if you hit alt-F2 to get another console, can you "ls /home/user/Desktop/downloads/slackware64-current" and see that the slackware64 directory is in there? [02:57] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.167) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] i like the real bitter kind [02:57] Urchlay: Yes, it is there. [02:57] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [02:57] dustybin, yeah. do a usb install with just a/ and get everything else via slackpkg. [02:58] dont' really have a sweet tooth, more spicy [02:58] pri4pus: apparently not... unless you've found a bug in the installer (if so, lots of other people would have found it by now though?) [02:58] pri4pus: you didn't make a 32-bit slackware USB stick by mistake, did you? [02:58] slava_dp: how do i get slackware on the usb stick in the first place? [02:59] well bed time for me, night [02:59] I made one from the image which comes with the slackware64-current. I think I made another very stupid mistake. [02:59] dustybin, or reassemble the iso image with what you need. there's a usb howto on the mirrors. in usb-and-pxe-installers [02:59] ok [03:00] Urchlay: I made one from the image which comes with the slackware64-current. I think I made another very stupid mistake. [03:00] pri4pus: what mistake? [03:00] Urchlay: Actually I didn't mount the partition. :-) Just thinking I did it. :-) [03:00] d'oh! [03:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Guest74753 (n=daniel@98.227.170.111) left irc: [03:01] But I have tryed the option with local resource media. Which asks you the device and partition. It didn't work. [03:01] Guest74753 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] hm, it asks you the device and partition? that must be new(ish), I don't remember that from old slack versions... [03:02] Urchlay: Ok, I will try again. Thank you and sorry for my stupid mistake. [03:02] hi [03:02] kde hangs initializing system services kbuildsycoca [03:02] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [03:02] hey what is the proper permission of php based software installation , symlinked from my ~/bin/ to /srv/www/htdocs [03:03] i have made o+r but the installation requires some write permission [03:03] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] should i change the group to apache? [03:05] init[1]: you're not being specific enough [03:06] Urchlay: i mean , see i don't wana put the php stuff into /srv/www/htdocs [03:06] is it a single .php file you keep in ~/bin/whatever.php, or a subdirectory, or what? and where does it need to be able to write to, when it's run? [03:06] Urchlay: its a software called dokuwiki [03:06] Urchlay: i m planning to install it [03:06] it should come with install instructions, no [03:06] ? [03:07] yes it does. [03:07] Urchlay: no that see, i have made a sym link form my ~/bin/docuwiki to /srv/www/htdocs [03:07] oh lord [03:08] indeed [03:08] but certain permission problem to write [03:08] init[1]: that can probably be made to work, yes, but if you don't know how, why don't you do it the regular way? [03:08] hey btw the dokuwiki site really does have good documentation [03:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:08] antiwire: its because i don't wana loose my local documentation when i do next installation [03:09] ........ [03:09] and alienBOB also did a complete write up about dokuwiki you can find it if you search for alienBOB +dokuwiki [03:09] antiwire: i have no problem with installation [03:09] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:09] dusty__ (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:09] my kde hangs on start up at initializing system services and in xsessions errors file it say kbuildsycoca running... kdeinit Fatal IO error client killed [03:09] my question is should i change the folder permission to init:apache [03:09] ps is showing me 10 defunct zombie processes [03:10] so backup your current setup and follow the dokuwiki docs http://www.dokuwiki.org/install:upgrade [03:10] nooper: get an axe! remember, you have to destroy the brain, or they just keep coming! [03:10] hehe [03:10] lol [03:10] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:10] kill -9 --with axe [03:11] if that doesn't work, chop off your hand and replace it with a chainsaw [03:11] i heard that solves all of lifes problems [03:11] nooper: the good news is, zombie processes almost never cause any actual problems [03:11] are the borg zombies? [03:12] a hand for using computer with linux, and a chainsaw for using computers with windows [03:12] (I mean if you had thousands of them, they would...) [03:12] nooper: good question [03:12] TwinReverb: just make sure the hand you replace with a chainsaw isn't the hand you normally use a toothbrush with [03:12] you might still be half asleep one morning and forget... [03:13] sleeping would be difficult if you keep it running [03:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:14] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [03:15] Urchlay: chown -R init:apache ./dokuwiki-2009-02-14 this solved it . [03:16] init[1], and set an sgid on the folder [03:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:16] Urchlay: my intention was standard permission [03:16] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) left irc: [03:16] slava_dp: why ? [03:16] Guest74753 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:16] init[1], so that the files you create inside will have the same group (apache). [03:17] Guest74753 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Guest74753 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:17] slava_dp: ooh .. yea im doin that .. [03:17] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Action: init[1] AFK [03:19] init[1]: if I were in your situation (/home is a separate partition that I want to keep across installs), I would probably have done something like: cd / ; mv srv /home/srv ; ln -s home/srv srv [03:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [03:20] my kde hangs at startup at kbuildsycoca [03:21] jamess__: you've said that... want to go into a little more detail? does it give any error message? if so, pastebin it [03:21] jamess__, rm your .kde [03:22] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:22] yesterday I found out from rg3 that if you rm ~/.kde you should rm ~/.local as well lest ye be left with a skew of configs. [03:23] <_RadioHead> i am waiting for kde 4.3 [03:23] antiwire, might be right [03:23] slava_dp: yeah he was right [03:23] <_RadioHead> hi slava_dp antiwire [03:23] <_RadioHead> firebird619: man :) [03:23] rm'ing only my ~/.kde left me jacked until i killed ~/.local too [03:23] <_RadioHead> how are you? [03:24] hi _RadioHead :) [03:24] <_RadioHead> :) [03:24] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [03:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:24] oh look, Captain freeze thrower himself [03:25] hey antiwire :) [03:25] hey! [03:25] no school today :) [03:27] _RadioHead: hey, how's it going? [03:27] y0 Camarade_Tux [03:28] Camarade_Tux: heh, no school today, that means you won't be late today, there's nothing to be late to. :P [03:29] yoyo firebird619 :) [03:29] firebird619, you never know, I might find something to be late to ;) [03:29] <_RadioHead> :) firebird619 dude , fine here exclude my car is @service lol :0 how about you? [03:29] lol [03:29] _RadioHead: doing great here, thanks. :) [03:30] Camarade_Tux: late to a duke death match with yourself? :P [03:31] firebird619, maybe, I haven't touched my big rpg today -_- [03:31] a whaaat? [03:31] duke deathmatch?! [03:31] ^^ [03:32] s/^^/^_^/ [03:32] the pastebin of kde startup errorhttp://pastebin.ca/1465966 [03:32] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Urchlay: lol [03:33] jamess__, is update-mime-database regularly ran on your machine ? it should be during startup but maybe you have commented it out [03:34] Urchlay: you been playing duke lately? [03:35] firebird619: a bit. I'm on the last level of episode 1, trying to figure out where all the stuff is that I have to do [03:35] cool [03:35] Camarade_Tux: it runs on every startup and i just ran update-mime-database /usr/share/mime but no changes it still hangs [03:36] it's got a bunch of the green acid that kills you, that you have to walk through... and I keep getting lost, going around in circles, and running out of the "protective boots" powerup so I die :( [03:36] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.27.68) joined ##slackware. [03:36] lol [03:37] plus, maybe it's just me, but on the hard difficulty level, the pig-cops seem to do more damage when they hit me [03:37] like half my health [03:38] On hard difficulty, that would make sense. They do more damage, and you probably do less damage to them. [03:38] pig-cops? x_x [03:38] Action: slava_dp never played duke :) [03:38] jamess__, these shouldn't be a problem, they're warning and shouldn't be fatal (especially considering they are related to .desktop files which aren't vital for kde), it must hang in something else [03:38] they can be killed with 2 perfectly aimed shotgun blasts, most of the time it takes 3 [03:38] Camarade_Tux: after i run the mime stuff the error is shorter http://pastebin.ca/1465972 [03:38] slava_dp: actual pigs that walk, carry shotguns, and wear police uniforms [03:39] Camarade_Tux: so something else gets it to hang i dont know what it is ? [03:39] Urchlay, on let's rock, the pig cops can get two thirds of your life if they shoot you in the back [03:39] slava_dp: the uniforms say L.A.R.D. on the back [03:39] Urchlay: when you say it that way, it almost sounds like a game full of rednecks. :P [03:40] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:40] I've killed myself so many times with the RPG, I get where I'm afraid to ever use it... but you *need* it to get past the higher levels [03:40] zetrr34 (i=1000@117.200.56.246) joined ##slackware. [03:41] from where i can download awn for Slackware (12.2) ??? [03:41] lol, you're gonna have to learn how to use that thing. :P [03:41] firebird619: in deathmatch, I just go ahead and blow myself up along with my enemy, I don't mind [03:41] zetrr34: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/avant-window-navigator/ [03:42] jamess__, no clue, maybe strace it to a file and when it hangs, switch to another virtual terminal and check the end of the (long) file, the problem should be near the very end (blocking i/o ?) [03:42] and which version ? [03:42] Urchlay: lol, that works. :P [03:42] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Greetings and salut salut [03:43] firebird619: I still wish the eduke32 engine could play Blood [03:43] blood ? [03:43] hi The-Croupier [03:43] Camarade_Tux: hell yeah, Blood [03:43] i want thanks firebird619 [03:43] zetrr34 (i=1000@117.200.56.246) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] Urchlay: that'd be sweet. [03:44] hiy Camarade_Tux ;) [03:44] firebird619: you still no asleep? [03:44] no/not [03:44] there's Transfusion (Blood in process of being ported to a Quake engine), but it doesn't do single-player yet [03:45] The-Croupier: haha, no, not asleep yet, soon though, it's 02:44. [03:45] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:45] hosl (n=linda@189.30.141.146) joined ##slackware. [03:45] is it since last time we talked like 8hours ago? [03:47] something like that, yeah. :P [03:47] Urchlay, blood ? a game or just blood ? [03:47] firebird619: damn bro ;) [03:47] lol [03:47] well, should we deathmatch then ? [03:47] Camarade_Tux: would it hurt if it was both? [03:48] The-Croupier, hmmmm, probably not [03:49] Camarade_Tux: It's a game, google man, google. :P [03:50] someone asked for advice in a forum...and he offered to buy them a coke if they replied ;) --nobody replied :( seems like they didnt like coke [03:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Camarade_Tux: I'll deathmatch you [03:50] i bet it would be different if he offered some rare-collective porn dvd [03:50] anyone else up for it? [03:51] Urchlay: i would love to play... but i dont know how to make it run [03:51] and i just came to work [03:51] Action: The-Croupier is using his laptop ;) [03:51] The-Croupier: the first problem I could help you with... the 2nd, not really :( [03:51] Urchlay: I'm back using the Atomic edition [03:51] Urchlay: I would be, but I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes. [03:51] firebird619, google wat iz dat ? [03:51] should I google google ? >< [03:51] Camarade_Tux: haha, yeah. [03:51] Urchlay: is there a manual you could help me with to set it up? [03:52] ill have a look at it at home... then we might play next time ;) or tonight [03:52] The-Croupier: the directions in the slackbuilds.org eduke32 readme's are pretty comprehensive [03:52] (at least I hope so: I wrote 'em...) [03:52] Urchlay: lol [03:52] Camarade_Tux: http://www80.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=What+is+google%3F [03:52] thats why i cannot install it [03:52] :p [03:52] lol [03:52] ptptptptpt [03:53] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [03:54] actually it's 4AM here, if I start playing deathmatch right now I won't sleep until after the sun comes up [03:54] Urchlay: maybe a venture for tomorrow [03:54] anyone knows where is the whitehat.com page transfered to? ive not been there for ages..seems its moved [03:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:55] Urchlay, ='( [03:55] yeah guys..ill install it as well ;) [03:55] and apparently there's a band coming over here to jam in the basement, about 8 hours from now, meaning I'd be forced to wake up then whether I've had a full night's sleep or not... [03:55] Urchlay: ;) cool [03:55] unfortunately not a band I'm actually in :( [03:55] ouch: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9080/ouchcat.jpg [03:56] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:56] haha [03:56] firebird619: I seriously hope that's photoshopped [03:56] Urchlay: I would hope so too. :P [03:56] firebird619: I suppose you've seen this before: http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten/ [03:56] Urchlay: If it is, it's pretty good. [03:57] is there anyother game we could install as easy? [03:57] i dont want to use wine..it sucks [03:57] Urchlay: no, hadn't seen that before. [03:57] i am really amazed how slackpkg can update the kernel...and the pc is still working as if nothing happening... [03:57] The-Croupier, try savage, it rocks [03:58] http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2009&image=steam_dyson_linux_lrg :) [03:58] slava_dp: in sbo? [03:58] The-Croupier: just install it man, it's a piece of cake. [03:58] The-Croupier, it's because nothing happened actually :=) [03:58] scroll down to the bottom of the image :) [03:58] chopp: you mean savage? [03:58] The-Croupier, savage is not free, just freeware. [03:58] what do you mean? [03:59] nyet open sourceski [03:59] The-Croupier, http://www.newerth.com/ [03:59] not free as in freedom, that's what i meant [04:00] right [04:00] baccardi (n=nera@88.119.189.51) left irc: Client Quit [04:01] slava_dp: that looks nice [04:01] something like wow kind of thing [04:01] ugh [04:03] so, we're doing the deathmatch tonight ? [04:03] j0z (n=linda@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Success [04:03] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:03] if you'd asked 3 or 4 hours ago... [04:04] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:04] Camarade_Tux: how about tomorrow, when we're awake. :P [04:04] tomorrow, for sure [04:04] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Urchlay, you really ought to go have some sleep :) [04:04] antiwire, you in for tomorrow too? [04:04] firebird619: no let him be asleep... ive never played the game [04:04] deathmatch tomorrow....oh it's on like donkey kong. :P [04:05] Well, time to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [04:05] slava_dp: bleah, yeah. Those dudes have Spinal Tap type guitar amps, with the knobs glued to "11" [04:06] after upgrade my graphics have gone wild in my laptop..they are super uber fantastic [04:06] later Camarade_Tux, The-Croupier, Urchlay, slava_dp. :) [04:06] 100-watt marshall all-tube heads. You get your crunchy distortion sound from the power amp section going nonlinear, not the preamp, so you *must* crank it up loud to get it to sound like it's supposed to [04:07] night firebird619 [04:07] I also am going to try to pass out [04:07] night Urchlay. [04:07] night folks... will shoot at you with the RPG tomorrow [04:07] Action: firebird619 hits Urchlay in the head with a slackware bat....there you're passed out. [04:07] heh [04:08] bye ;) [04:08] dang, you typed, it didn't work. :) [04:08] apparently I got a thick skull [04:08] night Urchlay, firebird619 [04:08] Action: firebird619 gets out the slackware golf club. [04:08] bye guys. take care. [04:08] damn..im left alone in the channel [04:08] :( time to do some work.. [04:08] Action: slava_dp is still here [04:08] The-Croupier: don't worry, the room is padded. :) [04:09] ;) [04:09] haha [04:09] see ya chopp [04:09] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.27.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] later firebird619 [04:09] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:09] trying to see savage... ;) just downloading it.. do i need anything special for slackware? [04:09] anyone running it? [04:09] Action: alisonken1noc is here [04:10] alisonken1noc: ;) greetings [04:10] The-Croupier, i have savage-xr installed. [04:10] slava_dp: i just downloaded that [04:10] The-Croupier: yo [04:10] its a bin file [04:10] just run it, it [04:10] it's a graphical installer [04:10] slava_dp: root? or user? [04:10] user! [04:10] ;) [04:11] i hope your card can do opengl 2.0. my intel x3100 in the laptop can't. [04:11] sh file.bin... cannot execute binary file [04:12] chmod +x *.bin && ./*.bin [04:12] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:12] slava_dp: sorry man..how stupid of me... i forgot [04:13] or "/bin/bash .bin [04:13] " [04:13] or "$(.bin)" [04:14] something else: if i have a terminal logged in as root all the time open on desktop4, and im logged in as user generally...that is not much of a problem right? [04:14] alisonken1noc, or /lib/ld-linux.so.2 file.bin [04:14] that may work [04:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:14] The-Croupier, just run it from a user terminal. [04:15] slava_dp: savage looks nice [04:15] hahah, it should [04:15] just noting you don't have to "chmod +x" the file to execute it [04:15] slava_dp: ive never played a game in my slackware [04:15] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:15] Action: slava_dp played postal2-linux. it rocked my socks. [04:16] alisonken1noc, roger that :-) [04:16] greetings people [04:17] ahem. looks like savage has crashed The-Croupier's Xorg lol [04:17] slackytude, how are you? [04:18] hey what does .............. mean ? [04:18] init[1], a series of dots? [04:18] i have noticed some people do that during conversation [04:18] y0 slava_dp. fine, altho Im at work. how about you? [04:19] slava_dp: yes [04:19] haha glad to hear that 13.0 is now public dang. sounds funny coz i was just sharing "slackware linux" to a friend of mine yesterday and i said, yeah the current is 12.0. then he answered, oh i downloaded the 13.0 version. then i look at the site, it's dated today :D [04:19] init[1], that was the answer lol [04:19] toytoy, thats -current, no? [04:19] toytoy, O_O [04:20] slava_dp: :( [04:20] slKIvs (n=ivan@115.113.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:20] though i don't know yet where he downloaded but i just pulled up my browser and go to http://slackware.com/ [04:20] toytoy: you broke my expatiation's :( [04:20] s/expectation [04:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:21] slackytude, also at work. all is fine here. weather is mild, mood is hungry :) [04:21] slackytude: hi :) [04:21] slava_dp, cloudy again here but still kinda hot. might get a thunderstorm soon. also hungry ^-^ [04:21] y0 init[1] [04:21] init[1], how ya doing? [04:22] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [04:22] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:22] slackytude: kinda messed up with permission problem , now it fine i guess [04:23] eh [04:23] thats good [04:23] s/it/its/ [04:23] :) [04:24] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.67.61) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:24] thefixr (n=thefixr@cpe-76-170-71-14.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) joined ##slackware. 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[04:43] /usr/lib is the place for 32bit libs in a multilib setup such as slackware64's [04:44] that way gcc doesn't get lost [04:44] yo slackytude :) [04:44] yo Thom1 [04:44] y0 Camarade_Tux [04:46] yep Camarade_Tux [04:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:55] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:59] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:59] blackhat (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Newegg has the six-core Istanbul processors now! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105255 [05:01] Action: slava_dp wonders when his laptop will be six-core..... [05:01] though i would prefer a dual-core, 6GHz each. [05:03] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:08] slava_dp: with slack, I'd be satisfied with a dual-core 3G machine [05:08] not like I do games or stuff [05:10] alisonken1noc, i've got a 2x2G now. 2x6G looks so much sexier ;) though we will never have it. [05:11] slava_dp: my current is a 6yo hp single 2G machine with 1G ram [05:11] (or was it 512M ram? been a while) [05:15] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-194-115.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] alisonken1noc, P4 ? [05:15] slava_dp, do the math. 2x6 vs 6x2.2 (or 2.4) One option is a reality, the other isn't! [05:15] p5 I think [05:16] But this is another reality that looks good: http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=2&artpage=4019&articID=920 [05:16] 5 ? :o [05:16] Shingoshi, you mean 2.2 machines running at 6Ghz ? >< [05:16] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [05:17] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [05:17] updated kernel..had to install nvidia again [05:17] I know that feeling [05:18] Camarade_Tux: not the best of things [05:18] have to see opengl/glx not working it says [05:18] Camarade_Tux, NO! I mean 6 times 2.2GHz [05:18] also...swap not working according to free [05:18] Shingoshi, nay, i'm not trusting my data to a ramdrive o_O [05:19] even battery-backed [05:19] Use it for tmp and increase the system speed. [05:19] Shingoshi, crap, I thought I could buy 3*1.1 machines =/ [05:19] my /tmp is fast enough =) [05:20] Yeah. Mine is in tmpfs. But it would be nice to extend it. [05:20] Although, my other board has 16GBs now! [05:22] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:27] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-167-4.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[06:21] but you only needed to hide it, not delete it ='( [06:21] so much goat porn lost ='( [06:21] slackytude, no, several tests next week and then holidays ! \o/ [06:21] its a tragedy, I know [06:22] Camarade_Tux, mine start at 6.07 [06:22] make that 02.07 [06:22] last one is 16.07 [06:22] two weeks :o [06:22] Action: slackytude nods [06:22] and in the middle of summer, isn't that a bit hard in germany, must be really hot [06:23] depends, but yeah its usualy hot. and we are hard people :P [06:23] paissad (n=paissad@86.72.138.127) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:24] never thought about it, to be hones. just the way things are [06:24] after that, its 3 months without school \o/ [06:24] during which, I'll be working, most of the time [06:24] hehe, slacker ;p [06:24] or not :D [06:24] heh [06:25] I've lost my slack :( [06:25] my kde hang at startup with this error http://pastebin.ca/1465972 [06:26] /me just paid first months rent on a new house! Moving at the end of July! WOOOOOO!!!! BEST HOUSE EVAR!! [06:26] Zordrak, grats [06:27] kampit (n=www@115.133.82.72) joined ##slackware. [06:27] No-one has ever lived in it before! It's brand new :D [06:28] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:28] jamess__, that doesnt look like a fatal error. could you pastebin relevant entries from Xorg.log as well? [06:28] hi guys :-) [06:28] y0 macavity, still alive I see [06:29] am i the only one who has a broken Amarok? [06:29] on -current? [06:29] kampit (n=www@115.133.82.72) left irc: Client Quit [06:29] yo macavity [06:29] slackytude: yes [06:29] slackytude, what, lost your slack ? [06:29] i am missing libtag-extras.so [06:30] Action: Camarade_Tux is missing the whole kde/ folder [06:31] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:31] kama (n=kama@host11-116-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:31] macavity, can't help you Im afraid [06:32] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.6.166) left irc: Connection timed out [06:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.45.102) joined ##slackware. [06:32] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.105.244) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] slackytude: we probably need taglib updated [06:35] Camarade_Tux, yes, I dont feel it anymore, so I must have lost it. lost my mojo too [06:35] macavity, hrm [06:36] slackytude, and along your goat porn ='( [06:37] and macavity still lives as well [06:37] Action: slackytude shakes hea [06:37] d [06:37] looks like you're doomed [06:38] dooooomed! [06:39] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:41] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:41] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-75.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:42] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] help! autologin without Basch in rc.local and possible? [06:44] huh, autologin without bash? [06:45] that does not compute [06:46] you should be able to configure inittab to open a login-shell as a specific user on a tty [06:46] if thats what you want.. [06:46] otherwise use a login manager [06:47] slackytude> huh, autologin without bash, yes [06:47] but I must do autologin without using the keyboard keys! [06:47] alienBOB: there is a deadlink in the wiki http://tatewake.com/wiki/projects:monobook_for_dokuwiki , i think it should be -> http://tatewake.com/wiki/software:dokuwiki:template:monobook [06:47] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:48] slakuser, I dont understand that. you mean non-interactive login? read what tewmten said [06:48] yes [06:48] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@99.224.165.106) joined ##slackware. [06:48] i think i have the best ideas [06:48] slackytude: he meant he wana see root shell when he boots up .. [06:48] i am the master [06:49] slackytude: btw with out login [06:49] init[1], then tewmten's stuff should work [06:49] so have inittab start a loginshell as the root user [06:49] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:49] tewmten, have you seen my slack? I lost it [06:49] tewmten: it can be done with agetty [06:49] tewmten, greetings, btw, hows it going? [06:50] init[1]: that too, but the idea is to start a shell on a tty instead of the login program :) [06:51] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) joined ##slackware. [06:51] tewmten: the -l parameter to agetty can do it i guess [06:51] slackytude: greetings! im ok.. just having one of those weeks, but soon its over :) [06:52] init[1]: yeah, i dont know by heart how to start the shell as a specific user tho [06:52] erh [06:52] yeah whatever [06:52] :) [06:52] s0s (i=1000@117.200.62.115) joined ##slackware. [06:52] probably use inittab to start a script that opens the shell as specified user [06:53] slakuser: ^^ should be enough info here to get you started :) [06:53] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Action: slackytude smoke break [06:53] yeah maybe invoke sudo [06:54] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-8a5f867bcaf553de) joined ##slackware. [06:54] I fail to see why he just doesnt use a login manager, however [06:54] hi [06:54] y0 High_Priest [06:54] nheco (n=nheco@200-96-80-95.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:54] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.45.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) joined ##slackware. [06:54] true.. [06:55] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) left irc: Client Quit [06:55] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) joined ##slackware. [06:55] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.56.72) joined ##slackware. [06:55] besides, having a system do autologin to root user on boot.. im not so sure about that ;) [06:56] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) joined ##slackware. [06:56] slackytude, your slack left because she couldn't stand that you smoke, smoking is bad ! [06:56] hi High_Priest [06:56] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.41.135) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:56] sh0ne__ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) left irc: Client Quit [06:59] Camarade_Tux, bullshit [07:00] Camarade_Tux: I strongly disagree [07:00] slackytude, stop smoking, you'll see it will come back :P [07:00] Camarade_Tux, "Bob" smokes [07:00] its one of the thinks i actually enjoy doing in office hours [07:00] smoking? [07:00] Bob smokes the pipe, and it's Bob, it only has a head, no lungs -_- [07:00] are we talking tobacco, or other stuff...? [07:01] http://blog.hyptyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/truedobbsheadbitmap72dpi.gif [07:01] Apparently it's a registered trademark. [07:02] CotSG has it [07:02] slackytude, see, no neck, no lungs -_- [07:02] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-8a5f867bcaf553de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:02] Camarade_Tux, so, when I snap a photo of you, showing only your head, will you also have only a head and no lungs? [07:02] Action: slackytude gets a camera [07:03] to do should I use autologin in inittab agetty-l e then?(I know that autologin and insecure, but I need to do automation with root permission) [07:03] of course, dont you know anything about photography? [07:03] slakuser: yes use agetty, or find a login manager [07:04] slackytude, yeah, see http://planet.gnome.org/heads/murrayc.png , he has no lungs -_- [07:05] indeed [07:05] no lungs present [07:05] my slackware 12.1 with 2.4.27 on dell lattiude e6400 with nvidia wont start kde it just hangs at initializing system services and it just hangs. If I run startx in root account it works but in my normal user nomatter wich normal user it just hangs [07:06] sounds like permission problems, check your logs [07:07] tooly (n=theo@e178132014.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:07] i cant find any permissions errors in log [07:08] so what is the services doing that normal users cant do then is the question [07:08] gah, nearly put a knife in the micro-wave oven, someone is using the force to try to kill me ! [07:09] jamess__, pastebin the log [07:09] Actually, the knife would probably just heat up. [07:09] ccfreak2k, metal knife ? [07:10] Camarade_Tux : if it has sharp points, then you may see sparks around those. a butter knife would probably not show any [07:10] has sparks [07:11] I've already put a fork in a micro-wave oven when I was younger, I probably won't try that again [07:11] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] a fork will definitely result in sparks [07:12] a spoon, not so much [07:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5623d0f597374a59) joined ##slackware. [07:16] "mandriva" ? bah ='( [07:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:23] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:24] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-178d80e55c5ac1e7) joined ##slackware. [07:24] http://pastebin.ca/1466185 [07:24] slackytude: http://pastebin.ca/1466185 is the xorg log [07:24] when i startx as root it works [07:24] but not as my normal user [07:26] jamess__, is that log when you start as user? [07:26] line 524, # [07:26] (EE) NVIDIA(1): Unable to find available Display Devices for screen 1. [07:27] i can paste the log for when i start as root also [07:27] when i run startx I see BIG nvidia logo [07:27] try starting just X without KDE [07:27] i think its some LDE stuff giving you a hard time [07:27] kde* [07:28] 2 sec i will start as root now [07:28] and paste log [07:28] 2sec [07:30] when i run as root [07:30] it is the same log [07:30] but root starts up fine [07:30] no problems [07:31] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [07:31] i can see the normal user hangs at kbuildsycoca [07:32] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Hey, guys, is there any Linux distribution that doesn't need to be installed in Windows, but can be opened from a usbdisk (without booting from usb)? [07:34] something like a standalone Linux [07:34] uh whut? [07:34] wats command to get root privileges in terminal ?? ( sudo is not working ) [07:34] I'm pretty sure they all can. [07:34] s0s, "su -" [07:35] hey why is sgid bit on directory isn't inherited to sub directories that is already present [07:35] do when we assign sgid bit to a directory should it be done with -R flag ? [07:36] init[1], pretty much. [07:36] s/do/so/ [07:36] When you modify a directory's permissions, you only modify that directory. [07:36] ccfreak2k: but aren't properties of root directory inherited to subs ? [07:37] No. [07:37] it just hangs [07:37] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.158.206) left irc: Client Quit [07:37] for non root users [07:37] jamess__, I actually have the same issue in -current. [07:37] hmm.. [07:37] With openchrome, though. [07:37] it hangs at the initializing system services kbuildsycoca [07:37] ok thank you [07:37] :) [07:37] kbuildsycoca [07:37] jamess__, have you tried something else than kde? [07:37] for root it all works but any user i just adduser testuser [07:37] and try with clean user [07:38] how can i change so it dont load kde? [07:38] xwmconfig [07:38] vaibhav (n=hehe@59.92.208.35) left irc: [07:39] i now start xfce [07:39] and it works fine [07:39] so it is my kde that is broken [07:39] :( :( [07:39] xfce starts fine [07:39] -> #kde [07:42] nitro25_ (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:43] Deiz (n=swh@unaffiliated/deiz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:47] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.39.210) joined ##slackware. [07:48] anyone knows where I can find the microsoft eula in the windows xp installation cd? [07:48] crap... [07:48] wrong channel [07:48] yeah.. a bit [07:49] heh [07:50] dissociative, find /mnt/dvd -iname "*eula*" [07:50] :) [07:51] dissociative, btw, FAIL :) [07:51] agetty-l as I do autologin? or there is a login manager in console without gdm etc ... [07:51] I put that command? [07:51] I hope not to any body .... [07:51] Channel flood from slakuser -- kicking [07:51] but unfortunately guides on how to autologin in root mode without typing anything on the keyboard I have not found .. [07:51] slakuser kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:51] that worked lol [07:51] ^_^ [07:51] lol@slakuser [07:52] slakuser (n=slakuser@87.13.165.143) joined ##slackware. [07:52] agetty-l as I do autologin? or there is a login manager in console without gdm etc ... [07:52] I put that command? [07:52] I hope not to any body .... but unfortunately guides on how to autologin in root mode without typing anything on the keyboard I have not found .. [07:54] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-241-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:55] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [07:57] i see dcop aborting while waiting for answer from kded [07:58] i havent done anything at work today [07:58] well nothing has broken so.. [07:58] i guess i've done my job well [07:59] you should ask for a better salary ;) [07:59] jamess__, no dcop server running? [07:59] maybe a broken PID file [07:59] Camarade_Tux: yeah they gave me a raise, i will get 500 euros more per month now [08:00] hahaha :p [08:00] and also i got an extra bonus this month for doing good work [08:00] what happens when you try to run dcopserver, jamess__ [08:01] koriel (n=koriel@dcipher.static.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Camarade_Tux: when a operations sysadmin is just slacking by his desk.. then he's done his job good :D [08:02] tewmten, I thought you were a programmer ;) [08:02] slackytude: where can i check the pid file [08:02] run dcopserver as root or admin? [08:02] Camarade_Tux: not today [08:02] steffen [08:02] wrong window [08:02] today im the boss of operations [08:02] hi there.......I have slackware installed and it's working fine..my only problem is that if I do a reboot then the system goes down to the point that says restarting system and then the screen goes blank and nothing happens...funs are working, leds are open but nothing else happen..I have to poweroff and poweron the computer to start it up [08:03] jamess__, run as the user which doesnt work [08:03] jamess__, it will complain if the PID is the problem [08:03] i just run as the user [08:03] and it goes into background [08:03] so in ps ax [08:03] i see it [08:03] and it works? [08:03] yeah no errors [08:03] not the problem then [08:03] jamess__: less enter :) [08:04] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Camarade_Tux: im just a programmer when R&D cant get their shit done right hehe.. [08:04] koriel, maybe an acpi bug ? or apic ? [08:04] how can I fix this? [08:04] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] is this a motherboard issue? [08:04] koriel: that happens when you actually type "reboot" ? [08:04] yes [08:04] or when I hit the restart button from kde [08:05] time for a ciggie [08:05] hmph, strange :| never heard of that [08:05] koriel, old system? [08:05] koriel: try booting the kernel with noapic [08:05] koriel, sounds like apic problem [08:05] no new system...i have the p5k3 asus motherboard [08:05] or deactiveted apic [08:05] no apic then [08:06] deactivate apic from motherboard [08:06] ? [08:06] to be honest with you I had the same problem with windows that's why i reformat the system and install linux [08:06] boot the kernel with noapic noacpi koriel [08:06] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.200.184) joined ##slackware. [08:07] ok koriel, so disable apic and acpi from your motherboeard [08:08] tewmten, hehe ;p [08:09] Action: Camarade_Tux should have asked for 10000 lists of up to 1073741823 elements in his program [08:09] OOM killer on its way [08:09] will it be firefox or the faulty program ? [08:09] firefox ! [08:09] Ok i did it...now I'm waiting to see what will happen.. [08:09] it's always firefox which gets the oom killer, I love how the oom killer always has it right ^^ [08:10] kalib (n=kalib@200.253.26.151) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Hi guys.. I know how to compile a source.. but. How can I compile it only in my home directory? [08:10] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] plus I had made a mistake (not really my fault actually) [08:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:11] tooly (n=theo@e178132014.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [08:14] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:14] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:15] hey when i do http://localhost/dokuwiki-2009-02-14/ it seems to list the contents than run index.php [08:15] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:17] anyone seen Alan_Hicks or rworkman around? [08:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434127.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.88) joined ##slackware. [08:20] aaarrrggghhh [08:20] the ONLY disk i was faising to monitor.... the CEOs primary business disk [08:21] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] :) [08:21] ouch [08:21] Zordrak, you might start to get drunk right now :) [08:21] Camarade_Tux: zoran119 any idea ? [08:21] you buying? [08:21] Camarade_Tux: Zordrak any idea ? [08:22] init[1], you realise you posted a link to localhost [08:22] init[1]: you have to tell it that index.php is a an index file [08:22] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] init[1], it sounds like you didnt tell apache to use ... damn [08:22] grep index\.htm /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [08:23] compiz with Xfce slackware possible ?? [08:23] yes [08:23] well, compiz-fusion but I guess compiz as well [08:24] okay ! [08:24] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Connection timed out [08:24] sorry i got dc [08:24] init[1]: you have to tell it that index.php is a an index file [08:25] grep index\.htm /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [08:25] ok. .doing it [08:25] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:26] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) joined ##slackware. [08:28] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-32-177.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [08:30] Action: fred waves cardinal bye-bye [08:30] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:31] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:31] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-122-10.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[08:39] or you could, y'know, read the DOCS! [08:39] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.61.176) joined ##slackware. [08:39] the config is fairly well documented [08:40] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [08:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:46] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:46] slackytude: this is why I have init[1]'s nick colour-tagged [08:47] heh [08:47] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:48] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-07320.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:48] <_RadioHead> hello tewmten man :) [08:48] hey _RadioHead :) [08:48] slackytude: i was reading but i got confused if it should be comma separated or space [08:49] omg my name is colour-tagged oO [08:49] <_RadioHead> i am thinking to change my nick :) tewmten give me a solution lol [08:50] Nick change: _RadioHead -> Inittab [08:50] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:51] hehe [08:52] ejal (n=ejal@85-250-188-252.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [08:53] hello [08:53] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:55] how do i get the md5sum for a code on sourceforge.net..? [08:55] what was that full on du someone pasted a while back... passing find into du into sort or something [08:55] cant remember exactly what the order was for proper sorting of results [08:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.200.184) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:57] Zordrak, du -hs | sort -g [08:57] you should have checked sort's manual page :D [08:58] or you could, y'know, read the DOCS! [08:58] ^^ [08:58] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] Action: Camarade_Tux feels like saying PWNED! [08:58] :) .. couldnt remember if it was just a sort param or if theyd involved awk [08:59] and anyway, -h makes it fail [08:59] pwnVolley! [08:59] -h ? [08:59] yeah.. du -s | sort -g would work [08:59] add the h and it want because you mix values [08:59] *wont [09:00] works here [09:00] 8.0K ram.png [09:00] 13M xz [09:00] written in that order (no, I won't paste everything here and browser closed) [09:00] 14K should show after 13M [09:00] oh wait, you're right, /me pwned ! [09:01] :) [09:01] haha, the first and the last lines, and even the middle lines were all sorted correctly here ! ^^ [09:01] just not everything :D [09:03] icaro (n=icaro@unaffiliated/icaro) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [09:07] hmm..i need the md5sum for this file (.bz2) http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=171906&package_id=196557&release_id=685398 any ideas how to get it...? thanx [09:07] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:08] ejal: man md5sum [09:08] md5sum file [09:08] Mission accomplished! [09:09] yes..i have the sum for the downloaded file...but what do i verify it against..? [09:10] damn.. our windows admin looks really stressed out today [09:10] Havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Zordrak: I've been away, how's your project going? [09:10] Action: tewmten assigns some more of his tickets to him.. [09:10] stalled atm [09:10] ive got morons to the left of me and morons to the right of me [09:10] its funny, he's so short, we call him sysadmini :D [09:10] and im trying to fight them all away [09:13] one moron to rule them all ;) [09:13] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:14] right now im trying to spec the equivalent of a NetApp FAS2020.. but to run slackware on [09:14] since it will cost about half the price [09:14] or less [09:17] ok ive been reading noobfarm for 1,5 hrs now.. [09:17] anyone know off the top of their head an approximate price for a good hwraid card that will do raid6? [09:17] Action: tewmten continues [09:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.156.56) joined ##slackware. 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[09:47] win question: is there a reliable AV for win? offline one, apart from avg,nod32,bitdefender. need something quick..i have reason to believe that something is sending stuff it was not supposed to :( [09:47] malwarebytes [09:47] need to scan network devices as well [09:48] straterra: is it any better than the ones mentioned above? [09:48] The ones you mentioned above aren't bad [09:50] straterra: do you believe malwarebytes is in the same rank? or even the slightest better [09:50] The only reliable AV for Windows is... Linux! [09:51] asarch: :( its not for me ;) [09:51] They each have their strengths and weaknesses [09:51] straterra: i understand [09:51] malwarebytes does its job well [09:51] straterra: could i layout a case for you maybe you could help [09:51] "How to be more productive with Windows" -- Uninstall Windows HowTo [09:51] Maybe.. [09:52] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7679.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] someone is sending emails from our mailserver. we have two lines say hol,and forth [09:52] we get reported to spamcop, even for sending in the company emails [09:53] something/someone is sending mails where it shouldnt [09:53] Then check the mail logs [09:53] Find out where [09:53] The-Croupier: what's your mail server's IP? [09:53] If its an internal machine, take it off of the network and scan/reinstall [09:53] straterra: i cannot there are none [09:53] straterra: i dont know which machine it is [09:53] If there are none, then you can't reasonably start to trace it. [09:53] The-Croupier: stick wireshark between your network and router.. you'll see it then [09:53] Turn on logging. [09:53] thats what im trying to find out [09:54] Why does your mailserver not log? [09:54] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.132) joined ##slackware. [09:54] straterra: because *I* didn't build it :P [09:54] straterra: what Dominian said ;) [09:54] Dominian: how can i stick between network and router [09:54] :( [09:55] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] straterra: someone was in charge of that server ;) then when the shit hit the fun, they dissappeared..and let it on me [09:55] boss is patient so far (too patient for my liking) [09:55] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-147-102.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:55] but i have to find out, what is causing all this [09:56] Then turn on logging [09:56] Dominian: i run wireshark on my linuxpc, tried to monitor everything on the network...found some expressions for smtp to check [09:56] nothing goes on...as its not working atm, the minute we get back online though it goes to spamcop imediately [09:56] Unless you're between the mailserver and the rest of the network, i won't matter [09:56] Enable logging [09:56] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:56] straterra: i see [09:57] it^ [09:57] have to find out how to do that now [09:57] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) joined ##slackware. [09:57] ok ;) thanks...ill try [09:57] You're welcome [09:57] ohhh something that is wierd as well [09:57] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75bb07.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [09:57] <_juan> hi, any ideas when slackware 13 should be out? [09:57] or [09:57] mailserver is ixwebhosting [09:57] The-Croupier: what you can do.. [09:58] _juan: when its ready [09:58] but when i send from webmail it works fine [09:58] oh.. hrm [09:58] when i send from pc in the net..goes to spam imediately [09:58] The-Croupier: what IP is being reported by spamcop as the problem? [09:58] and noone can send again [09:58] mornin slackers [09:58] Dominian: one sec [09:59] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7679.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:59] Dominian http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?193.92.255.54 [10:00] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] is that your IP? [10:00] yep [10:00] doh [10:00] You're on the spamhaus CBL [10:01] which more than likely means its a virus infection causing the flood of email [10:01] http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=193.92.255.54 [10:02] Dominian: right...reading that link..but what im after is what goes on from now on [10:02] virus check ? [10:02] everything? [10:03] Well, the first thing I could do is get my wireshark situated so it was between my network and the router... so I could snif all traffic going out of th enetwork [10:03] and look for anything hitting port 25 [10:04] The-Croupier: now.. what you can also do.. [10:04] The-Croupier: does your email provider support smtp-auth? [10:04] on port 587? [10:04] Dominian: it does support smtp-auth [10:04] dont know which port though..never checked [10:05] was done before i come here..never gave me any info on that [10:05] <_juan> i can't create a xorg.conf file with xorgsetup, every time i try to run it when it tries to probe for my video card it just gives me a blank screen with the cursor, and freezes, ive tried changing tty's to see if there is any reaction, but with no luck, the only way to have X back up again is rebooting, any ideas why? [10:05] well, I would find out what port [10:05] Dominian: ;) [10:05] then in your firewall.. block outbound port 25 if you have no use for it [10:05] after that [10:05] Dominian: i cannot block outbound 25 [10:05] that way.. if a virus does break out that does something like this.. it won't cause you any grief [10:05] The-Croupier: uhh why? [10:06] outbound means outgoing right? [10:06] if you use smtp-auth on port 587.. then you can block outbound 25 .. if you don't have a legit reason to use port 25 that is [10:06] Or you can tell the firewall to only allow port 25 traffic out to your email host [10:06] antoni (n=user@114.pool85-53-28.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:06] Dominian: because these guys in here have to send emails to report scores..and some crappy system that is based on smtp [10:06] Action: Dominian shrugs [10:07] The-Croupier: then write a specific rule in the firewall to allow only that 1 server to send out port 25 [10:07] simple enough [10:07] If you want to contribute to the spammers' wealth, and stay blacklisted, by all means, keep allowing the Windows viruses out. [10:07] You either take the time to crack down on this issue the right way.. or you continue to have the problem.. your choice. [10:07] indeed [10:07] The-Croupier: in reality, your firewall is your best option. [10:07] Dominian: i really want to fix this [10:08] Stop letting the spambots out. [10:08] Dominian: ok..let me see if i got this right [10:08] i dont allow port 25 outbound [10:08] If you *have* to allow port 25.. lock it down so that internal users can ONLY send to your outbound email server that they have to send out through. [10:08] (except for certain known hosts) [10:09] Even at home I have an SMTP proxy [10:09] Action: The-Croupier is lost...been reading about crap all day about this [10:09] dominian could you give me an example? [10:09] ok.. [10:09] I have no Windows at home currently, and I don't allow port 25 out except from the mail server. [10:10] The-Croupier: Your email is hosted elsewhere correct? [10:10] its not hosted ON your network? [10:10] yes [10:10] ok [10:10] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] its ixwebhosting.com [10:10] So lets say that host is mail.nospam.net [10:10] ok [10:10] iptables -vI FORWARD -i $LAN -o $WAN -p tcp --dport smtp -j REJECT [10:10] pkrumins (i=nhl@unaffiliated/pkrumins) joined ##slackware. [10:10] You write a rule in the fireawll to say "hey, if you send mail through port 25... you *HAVE* to send it to mail.nospam.net" [10:10] with appropriate substitutions for LAN and WAN of course [10:11] wow. might be my record. 100 tabs open in firefox (long session, don't ask)... and it works reliably so far :) [10:11] hi guys. i have a question about installation in "menu" mode when I select packages I want. I remember there was a key that brought up the description of the package under selection, but I can't remember what it was? Anyone remembers? [10:11] init 0 :) tomorrow ppl [10:12] yeah, precede my rule with an ACCEPT for -d mail.nospam.net [10:12] Inittab (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: "Leaving" [10:12] rob0: that goes in the router right? [10:12] pkrumins: wow. sounded familiar. i like your blog posts :) [10:12] All this is assuming a Linux router, of course. [10:12] he [10:12] h [10:12] rob0: cisco one [10:13] The-Croupier: This is why rob0 and I like hosting our own email :P [10:13] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] The-spiki thanks :) [10:13] becausae *we* know our stuff is right [10:13] Call Cisco or read their docs. [10:13] The-Croupier: cisco eh? [10:13] The-spiki, gonna post one on bithacks very soon. been silent lately... [10:13] The-Croupier: in that case you right an ACL for port 25 outbound [10:13] Dominian: Pancho, eh? [10:13] rob0: eh? [10:13] See you soon amigos! [10:13] meh, i visit site irregulary. the cheatsheats are great [10:13] who the hell is Pancho? [10:14] even thought printing some of them on paper (never done that in my life) [10:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Kid [10:14] haha [10:15] OT: look at the "the realm" videos on cisco.com ... manga style cartoon about security, firewall, etc [10:15] word manga used liberaly [10:15] thanks guys time to do some more digging around [10:16] have to find out what the hell is going on :( [10:16] thanks [10:16] hrm [10:16] probably something like this: [10:16] bam, can't find that shortcut :/ [10:16] Am i going crazy or does it look like 3ware officially support slackware 10.2? [10:16] access-list acl_smtp_outbound permit tcp host any eq 25 [10:16] access-list acl_smtp_outbound deny tcp any any eq 25 [10:16] access-list acl_smtp_outbound permit ip any any [10:16] access-group acl_smtp_outbound in interface inside [10:17] The-Croupier: but that may not apply to your cisco IOS... just need to research.. that's an extended ACL list iirc... so.. [10:17] The-Croupier: that should give you a starting point [10:17] Dominian: no worries ;) you helped more than enough [10:17] thank you [10:17] thanks all guys [10:17] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:18] oh.. fyi.. that rule is written as if the mailserver is inside th enetwork [10:18] I think... [10:18] Action: Dominian has to think that one through lol [10:18] hmm [10:19] Action: The-Croupier is reading manuals on cisco ;) and the supported ios ;) [10:19] The-Croupier: you see why I like Linux fireall rules better.. [10:19] :) [10:19] Dominian: me too ;) tell that to my boss [10:19] ohhh... [10:19] heh [10:19] he came in today and said: why do you have your linux pc on???? [10:19] The-Croupier: I've been working with Cisco stuff for quite a few years.. and my god.. it still gives me a headache [10:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [10:20] and not work in "that crappy windows one i gave you?" [10:20] The-Croupier: be like "I wanted to actually be productive today" [10:20] i said because its crap..if you want me to get through with this leave me alone [10:20] he left [10:20] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) joined ##slackware. [10:20] hi can anyone please tell me if there is anything i should do when i do "slackpkg install kernel-firmware"? [10:20] Dominian: lol ;) [10:21] Action: Zordrak considers pulling the entire history of channel logs in order to "grep 3ware" [10:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [10:21] slackware is using evdev right? [10:22] <|Slacker|> hello ppl [10:22] hiptobecubic: yah [10:22] Dominian: i just started using cisco..its fancy..but its still a pain [10:22] The-Croupier: aye [10:22] Dominian, ok [10:23] i guess not [10:23] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [10:23] ok..time to switchnetworks..my wlan is not working..so i have to disconnect..time for some research..;) [10:23] thanks again for everything [10:23] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:25] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [10:25] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit!" [10:27] hosl (n=linda@189.30.141.146) left irc: Client Quit [10:27] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:28] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) left irc: "Leaving" [10:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:31] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Are you guys using evdev in your xorg.confs? [10:34] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.8.229) joined ##slackware. [10:34] not I [10:34] it messed up my mouse button mappings [10:34] so.. I had to tell evdev to f-off [10:34] Dominian: i think it's messing up my keyboard layout [10:34] possibly [10:35] Dominian: it was working great, then i caught up with -current and now it's borked [10:35] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [10:35] doh [10:35] did you make sure to remove everything that it said to remove in the current changelog? [10:37] Dominian: a fine question. i'll check again [10:37] Yeah.. I had that issue when I found one of the packages was still installed tha twas supposed to be removed [10:41] Reav_ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) left irc: "Leaving" [10:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] http://www.ijustwantyourmoney.com/ [10:45] <|Slacker|> lol...it can't be serious, can it? [10:46] it is, he was on tv this week [10:46] apparently a tv station in sydney payed him $50 [10:46] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [10:46] <|Slacker|> wow...is he aussie? [10:47] yes [10:48] that explains it all... [10:48] j/k :D [10:48] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] <|Slacker|> lol yeah [10:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:49] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.90) left irc: "Saliendo" [10:49] pkrumins (i=nhl@unaffiliated/pkrumins) left ##slackware. [10:49] Nick change: zerox0 -> zeroXzero [10:53] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc [10:55] komesti (n=komesti@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:55] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-0f927fc3d8a974c8) left irc: "Leaving" [10:57] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Dominian: so i'm a little behind on removing these packages :D we'll see how this works out [10:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] cris_ (n=cris@user-54425757.l5.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hehe [11:01] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.26.71) joined ##slackware. [11:02] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@85.241.110.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Reav_ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:07] _juan (n=juan@200.84.109.19) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] cris_ (n=cris@user-54425757.l5.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:10] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] dont suppose anyone has anything to say about drbd and hb on slack? [11:11] yeah.. I have one thing to say [11:11] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:11] What the hell is that? [11:11] Dominian++ :) [11:11] orite [11:11] drbd == drbd, hb = heartbeat [11:12] high-availability stuff [11:13] Looking at putting together to ultra-beef 2TB RAID6 file servers running slackware 13-x86_64 redundancy done by drbd [11:13] *two [11:13] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.93) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:14] cool [11:14] when do I get an account? [11:14] hehe [11:14] nevar! [11:14] :) [11:14] they will became the heart and soul of this company [11:15] but will not ever do anything other than serve NFS+CIFS [11:15] mohaa (i=1000@92.49.78.108) joined ##slackware. [11:16] hmmm, clustered porn ^^ [11:16] point being we will stop paying Sun £8000pa for support of shitty equipment and pay £6k-£8k once for redundant kit instead [11:16] failures = RMA, failures after warranty = replaced as and when required [11:17] im just having a damn hard time speccing the processing power required [11:17] its very very hard [11:17] very. [11:18] What is the deal with evdev? I'm not understanding this log. http://dpaste.com/57206/ [11:18] Zordrak, I don't even think it's possible [11:19] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [11:19] It's a test. You're supposed to be smart enough to resist using it. If you're not.. you fail the test :) [11:19] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean? [11:20] Zordrak, I don't have experience in this field but I don't think it is possible to find how much processing power is needed beforehand [11:24] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] #vim [11:24] sorry :) [11:25] Camarade_Tux: precisely why im having so much trouble [11:28] pwc101 (n=zorokevs@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [11:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[11:47] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/freenode/x-843d4bccd31e6250) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:51] Zordrak: Specing a Sun server for processing power to power what though? [11:51] rephrase? [11:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:52] Web serving probably. [11:52] That's all they're good for. [11:53] Zordrak: What are you wanting to run on the sun servers that you are worried they might not be able to run? [11:54] nothing.. i want sun gone [11:54] yesterday [11:54] the OS is piss poor, the layout of the distributed FS is piss poor, the support cost is piss poor [11:56] Oh, then i misunderstood you. [11:57] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:58] agentc0re|work: Looking at putting together to ultra-beef 2TB RAID6 file servers running slackware 13-x86_64 redundancy done by drbd [11:58] *two [11:58] drbd? let me google, never heard of that before. [12:00] network raid 1 (effectively) [12:00] ah, clustering. I'm not a big fan of clustering tbh, but the cluster i have is much older and doesn't work like a cluster really... guess thats what we get for using MS technology :P..Server was way before my time though. [12:00] :) [12:00] Ya, that sounds pretty cool none the less. [12:00] the idea is we stop paying for support [12:00] Which is a good idea. [12:01] if ANYTHING dies... it is covered by a redundant component [12:01] disk/controller/server [12:01] and it can be replaced by RMA or newbuy if needed [12:01] Oh, you're going to build some custom servers? [12:01] so we wont have to give sun £10k/year any more [12:02] dear god thats a lot of freaking money. [12:02] no.. gonna get a company i know to build+test [12:02] but i provide the spec [12:02] s/freaking/fscking .. What am i, mormon?? (no i am not) [12:02] cool. [12:02] im looking at about £5000 for both boxes together [12:02] what kind of spec's? [12:03] which we recoup in six months antd dont even have to turn off the old kit [12:03] approx: [12:03] 1x Xeon E5520 on a board capable of two (for later) [12:03] 8 (or 16) GB EEC RAM [12:04] 1x 3ware 9250 8lane/12port [12:04] 2x velocipator (raid1 OS) [12:04] 5x 1TB SATA (4 in RAID6 + Hot Spare) [12:04] all of that multplied by two boxes clustered [12:05] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:05] I recently just bought a new server myself. 2xIntel Quad core xeon e5420(2.5Ghz) 16Gb ram 6x15k RPM SAS 450Gb 6xIntel Pro 1000 Nic's. [12:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [12:06] Zordrak: was around 6-7k i think. [12:06] SIX? [12:06] Oh running the drives in a raid10. [12:06] Bridged Fibre-To-God?! [12:06] agentc0re|work, send it to me [12:07] Yup, i am running a Xenserver and i want each guest OS to be on their own nic as much as possible. Esp. for the high availability machines. [12:07] agentc0re|work: do you not worry about a second disk dying before raid can rebuild at that capacity? [12:07] Zordrak: I can have multiple fail, so long they are not in the same raidset. [12:07] my point being.. WITA? [12:08] agentc0re|work, send it to me [12:08] (what if they are) [12:08] well then i'm SOL [12:08] :) [12:08] :D [12:08] at this point i just wont spec anything under raid6 [12:08] the datasets are just too big [12:08] I have a raid6, it had 4 drives die... Pissed me the fsck off. I hate how slow it is too. [12:09] and in this case im effectively doing RAID60 [12:09] let me paste bin my hdparm [12:09] and i will be getting as many different manufacturers and batches as possible for the HDDs [12:09] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:09] jeev ... STFU! No i will not send it to you. [12:09] to avoid multifail [12:09] how can i check what keyboard layout xserver is using? [12:10] http://pastebin.com/d3b83de80 [12:10] Mind you, this is during working hours while it's running too. [12:10] should have seen the results under no load.. My jaw dropped. [12:11] bastard [12:11] hiptobecubic, try ? :D [12:11] put me on it's ownership if you fall out of a plane [12:11] comrad! [12:11] or doesn't xorg.conf tell you ? [12:11] hiptobecubic: grep XkbLayout /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:11] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [12:12] hello all [12:12] morning [12:12] Camarade_Tux: jumperboy i have it set in xorg.conf but it doesn't seem to be reading it properly. i just set it to fr to check and it's not using azerty, for example [12:12] hi P4C0 [12:12] Zordrak: Have you seen those articles i posted a while back about how raid5 and 6 are falling out of spec because harddrives are becoming larger? [12:13] Zordrak: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/21/2126252&from=rss It mentions only a little bit about 6. [12:14] Zordrak: I'm not basing my entire choice not to use those configurations and i think a raid 60 is awesome actually. I have another server with pretty much as the same specs as what i posted earlier except it has 250gb SATA 7200rpm drives. When i setup Xenserver as a pool, i'll have a redundant solution in case i lose two drives in the same raidset. [12:14] hiptobecubic, using kde ? [12:14] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-64-157.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Camarade_Tux: xfce [12:15] jeev: You wouldn't even know what to do with all that power. I'd be like touching a girl for the first time for you. [12:15] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5623d0f597374a59) left irc: [12:15] Action: edman007 touches agentc0re|work [12:15] hiptobecubic, it may be interfering with your settings [12:15] Camarade_Tux: just tested it in flux, same problem [12:15] hi jeev [12:15] hmmm [12:16] tried setxkbmap ? [12:16] agentc0re|work, damn you, you "server" beats my desktop :( [12:16] Nick change: init[1]|znc -> init[1] [12:16] 6 is primarily dealing with the size problem [12:16] Camarade_Tux: nope [12:16] edman007: LOL [12:16] hi jeev [12:16] 6 gives you more time to rebuild effectively [12:16] i only have e5410 CPUs and 4 drives in raid5 [12:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:17] but i got a big ass vid card [12:17] hmm actuallyv.. perhaps i should call it 61 or 16.. its not reallf 60 [12:17] Zordrak: It also makes it slower :(... I dunno. Drivers are a lot cheaper now adays. 10 just makes more sense to me. rebuilds are quicker too. [12:17] agentc0re|work: but as you said.. two in one controller and yo're sol [12:19] ha agentc0re|work, yea right [12:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Zordrak: Yup, but i've only had multiple drive failures in my POS HP equipment. I got two lemons from HP. My 5 year old cluster is in a raid10 and it's never had a multiple drive failure in the same raidset. [12:19] xcuckoo segfaults here ='( [12:20] jeev: I'm glad you agree with me :D [12:20] Camarade_Tux, same here! [12:20] i blame fred [12:20] edman007: Heh, it's always easier that way. [12:20] there are so many vital X programs that don't work correctly nowadays ='( [12:20] in your dreams [12:21] agentc0re|work, fred causes lots of problems [12:21] like xcockroach [12:22] agentc0re|work: I managed to lose 3 400GB disks in 3 servers in three different places in one 48hr period [12:22] s/cock// [12:22] Camarade_Tux, clock block [12:22] xps9000 (n=xps9000@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:22] oh xsnow works nicely ! =) [12:23] I'll make it autostart :) [12:23] plus it interacts nicely with conky [12:23] Camarade_Tux: setxkbmap doesn't find us.cust (my layout) but it's in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols is there something i'm missing? [12:23] edman007, yeah [12:24] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A762D7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] hiptobecubic, no idea, I'm not a keyboard layout pro =/ [12:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:24] rats [12:25] mice [12:27] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-186-232.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] I'm getting no sound(except when I plug a device like speakers up) from my sound card or the one built into my motherboard. Also I turn all the volumes to 100. And sill I get no sound. What am I missing or forgetting? or should I disable the onboard sound and try after that? [12:30] did you run alsactl ? [12:30] http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/1243203/Attack-On-a-Significant-Flaw-In-Apache-Released [12:32] how come xpenguins isn't shipped in slackware ! :o [12:34] hmm [12:34] ='( xsnow's snow doesn't stay when you move windows or change desktop ='( [12:34] i wonder if fbsd is buggy to that [12:34] http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6601 [12:34] because if it's accf shit [12:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [12:39] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [12:42] ejal (n=ejal@85-250-188-252.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] Zordrak: 3 disks total or disks in each server in each different location? [12:43] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-76-57.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] total [12:44] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [12:44] oh, thats not bad. [12:45] slackboy, that shit doesn't hurt apache on freebsd when running accf_data/accf_http [12:45] I think I'll start trying to convert people to xsnow :) [12:46] slackytude, try xsnow ! :) [12:46] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-186-232.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:46] Zordrak: Image coming in on a monday morning looking at your new server and seeing 4 orange flashing lights... I immediately shut the server down. I was so pissed... 4 drives in a raid6... To top that off, i look over at the other server that mirrors this one and it has 2 drives dead. Thankfully one of them was the OS which is on another array so it didn't make it quite as bad. [12:46] Zordrak: I have nearly replaced everything in both servers except the mothboard/cpu/ram. [12:46] lol.. xsnow [12:46] that old app.. heh [12:47] but it rocks ! :) [12:47] agentc0re|work: im assuming all the disks were same model/batch.. [12:47] Zordrak: yup. [12:48] Zordrak: it was hardware issues causing the problem though. [12:48] *nod* [12:48] im speccing a random assortment of WD and Seagate to try to avoid batch collision [12:48] Zordrak: harddrives weren't failing because there were actual problems with them. [12:48] rite [12:49] tewmten, what I need now is xpenguins :) [12:50] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:50] firebird619, ready for your deathmatch ? =) [12:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [12:52] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-75.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] Camarade_Tux: Hey, how's it going? [12:52] firebird619, nice, thanks and you ? [12:52] wanna help me convince people to run xsnow and xpenguins ? [12:52] Camarade_Tux: :D [12:52] anyone knows if yasm is needed for ffmpeg? [12:52] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. [12:53] dissociative, iirc not [12:53] needed [12:53] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:53] and last time I checked, nasm gave results a bit better [12:53] or it does gives any real runtime benefit [12:54] ffmpeg 0.5 only seems to point at yasm [12:55] Camarade_Tux: wrt the deathmatch, not yet, I have some other things I have to get done first. Then, it's on. :P [12:56] chicken ! :D [12:56] oh not that again [12:56] dissociative, possible, haven't tried that release [12:56] firebird619 :D [12:56] Camarade_Tux: strong words coming from a turduken. [12:56] I am FREAKING OUT about this evdev/xorg fiasco [12:56] ;) [12:58] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [12:59] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [12:59] http://omploader.org/vMXVzcw/death_desktop.png =) [12:59] hahaha [13:00] 111bucks per tire oh boy [13:00] Nick change: xps9000 -> zz_xps9000 [13:00] nix_chix0r, wait, what ? :o [13:00] hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [13:00] all season tires or something heavy duty [13:00] not bad [13:00] gettin tires in a bit [13:01] Action: nix_chix0r remembers just gettin gstruts replaced for 400bucks [13:01] campassi (n=linko47@130.18.208.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] start riding a bike. :P [13:01] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.246) joined ##slackware. [13:01] hahaha, 250 penguins on screen :) [13:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Camarade_Tux, I got sound from my onboard. thanks to alsamixer, the space bar and "alsactl store" >.> [13:04] =) [13:04] space bar is meant to be "m" >.> [13:04] Hell of a typo then. [13:04] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [13:05] space bar doesn't do that for me [13:05] ccfreak2k, lol yeah oops >< [13:07] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75bb07.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [13:08] :''''( [13:08] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:09] hiptobecubic, you may try overwriting an existing one (make a copy first ;) ) [13:10] Camarade_Tux: i have tried a few. the problem lies with evdev i think [13:13] p4tr0p1 (n=jam@201-34-141-194.fnsce704.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:13] p4tr0p1 (n=jam@201-34-141-194.fnsce704.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). 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[13:27] slakuser (n=slakuser@87.13.165.143) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.28.187.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [13:35] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] Camarade_Tux, you have too much freetime [13:40] dustybin (n=dustybin@174.142.38.197) left ##slackware. [13:41] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:41] slackytude, probably ;) [13:41] your slack is huge! [13:42] Action: slackytude sighes [13:42] y0 slackytude [13:42] heya firebird619 [13:42] how is going? [13:42] slackytude, and getting bigger everyday -_- [13:42] slackytude: i just saw your pic ;) [13:42] going great, thanks, you? [13:42] init[1], I no nothing of which you speak [13:42] lol, M$'s browser comparison chart: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx [13:42] firebird619, kinda depressed [13:43] guess which one wins. :P [13:43] saw that alreay. no mention of opera [13:43] nva mind slacktude :) [13:43] slackytude: no, none at all. [13:43] bbiab [13:43] init[1], -_- [13:44] (init[1] is secretly spying slackytude) [13:44] i got i from http://www.slackwaregallery.org [13:44] *it [13:44] I knew I was followed, thats why I made my tinfoil hat [13:44] eh, let me give you a better one [13:44] Camarade_Tux: i have found you too [13:45] one from one of my porn movie ? [13:45] init[1], please don't spread the word that I'm a pronstar -_- [13:46] Camarade_Tux: no .. just google your name .. look what turns up ..:P [13:46] specialized on goat porn [13:46] I used to have all his films [13:46] http://imagebin.org/53025 [13:47] slackytude: i have seen this pic when eviljames showed up his pic :P [13:47] eh [13:47] you know too much already [13:47] Action: slackytude adds init[1] on his assassination list [13:47] slackytude: i have good memory :P [13:48] slackytude: its quite hi res pic .. cool .. [13:48] gah, I'm going to die ! http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:fsOFIW3LxblSkM:http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQ2M0l27jGWYKAoJ2nLMDizAAAAAnxsmhp-WoNCdnFiMCPIGbq [13:48] and that's not me ! [13:48] slackytude: i can even see your retina :P [13:48] looks like you, Camarade_Tux [13:48] liol [13:49] slackytude, don't forget to hire somebody else than the guy who failed to kill macavity -_- [13:49] Camarade_Tux: are you a female o0 [13:49] Camarade_Tux, good call [13:49] init[1], not really [13:49] Camarade_Tux, thats is your doing? http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1566 [13:50] init[1], Im wearin contact lenses [13:50] init[1], and a mask [13:50] slackytude, no, not mine :P [13:50] init[1], not my real hair either [13:51] init[1], In fact I dont know this person at all [13:51] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [13:51] anyone ever used a sata and can't get write permissions using the usual methods? [13:51] Camarade_Tux, must be init[1] spying on us [13:51] slackytude: but your http://www.slackwaregallery.org pic and this one is have same specs [13:52] :P [13:52] coincidence [13:52] aaha.. [13:52] merely statistical fluke [13:53] actually, are you a lonely, good looking lady and like the pic? [13:53] then its me [13:53] cmair (n=cmair@host139-27-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:53] I have my sata drive setup with fat32 and I can't write to it(only read from it) unless I'm root. and editing /etc/fstab or chmod 775 will not work -_- [13:54] fat32? [13:54] ot ntfs? [13:54] jescis: did you have the problem before [13:54] jescis: Is there a swich on the device (read-only)? [13:54] slackytude: it may be external hd [13:54] whats your fstab entry [13:54] I wouldn't put fat32 on any disk bigger than 100GB [13:55] you most likely miss default umask [13:55] mohaa (i=1000@92.49.78.108) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] mohaa (i=1000@89.16.15.61) joined ##slackware. [13:55] or group id [13:55] jescis: AAAHHH yes, slackytude probably has hit on the issue, the fstab entry. [13:55] init[1], I just got back to linux(slackware) and it's an internal WD Caviar 1TB [13:55] Action: slackytude gasps [13:55] Is my slack back? [13:57] as slackytude said putting gid should help [13:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:57] y0 antiwire [13:57] tripwire :P [13:58] gid=100 or what? [13:58] antiwire, you proxy is filtering my packtes on the application level... [13:58] Action: antiwire racks the slide [13:58] Is there any way to tell what date a file was uploaded to slackwaregallery? [13:59] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@92.82.56.175) joined ##slackware. [13:59] jescis, that should do it [13:59] heret|c, offer the admin money [14:00] heret|c, doesn't slackwaregallery show the date ? [14:00] http://www.slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=5 I'm not seeing it [14:01] I was just gonna tell dadexter i found a way around his little $PS2 problem [14:01] heret|c, great comments [14:01] heret|c: click the "i" [14:01] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] File Size: 164 KB [14:01] Date added: Aug 29, 2008 [14:01] Dimensions: 1280 x 800 pixels [14:02] ahhh. thanks erisco [14:02] guess he's not gonna care 3 years later XD [14:02] That's a cool network app on the right side of hte picture. it shows his IP and network IP [14:03] I wish i knew the name of something like that.. iwconfig only shows the lan ip [14:03] conky [14:03] slackytude, it still shows up with drwxr-xr-x >.> [14:03] (thanks!) [14:03] heret|c, Date added: Aug 29, 2008 [14:04] gah, erisco's been faster :) [14:04] Camarade_Tux, he's not looking at the same shot i am apparently [14:04] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.246) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] erisco: yeah that is conky and you could implement something like lynx -dump -hiddenlinks=ignore -nolist http://checkip.dyndns.org:8245/ | awk '{ print $4 }' | sed '/^$/d; s/^[ ]*//g; s/[ ]*$//g' [14:05] jescis, http://my.opera.com/lounge/forums/topic.dml?id=83440 [14:05] heret|c, hy ? [14:05] jescis, this looks relevant [14:05] every time I go on slackware gallery, I hate phrag a bit more http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=11 [14:05] i sorted mine. guess it's a saved cookie. gonna delete my cookies and do it again [14:05] Oh so it's a little advanced then... alright i see how it is. It's something to work towards. thanks slackytude for the example. [14:05] jescis, oh wait, slackwiki is up again [14:06] jescis, http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [14:06] Camarade_Tux: rofl [14:06] y0 slackmagic, how's it going? [14:06] Camarade_Tux: I haven't seen him for a while, I guess he's busy with his gf, life, and/or work :) [14:06] Camarade_Tux, heh, I feel you [14:06] I wish I didnt , tho [14:06] http://www.slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=94 there's the updated link [14:07] he's just talking about a $PS2 bug [14:07] firebird619: well, I just had the opportunity yesterday to play with xcompmgr + fluxbox, looks nice with the transparent windows, shadows etc [14:07] slackytude, you feel me deep inside enough ? :) [14:07] s/you/do you/ [14:07] Camarade_Tux, dont ruin the moment with your silly talk [14:07] slackmagic: Hmm, xcompmgr, haven't messed with that. It looks real nice then eh? [14:08] Action: heret|c starts singing the song "deep inside of you" [14:08] Camarade_Tux: When I get this stuff done, you're goin down in the deathmatch. :D [14:08] firebird619: yeah youtube has some vids of fluxbox + xcompmgr if you're interested [14:08] slackmagic: awesome, I'll check it out. Thanks. [14:09] slackytude, you can gag me if you want :) [14:09] :O [14:09] slackboy, what about using netcat? [14:09] firebird619, no, *YOU* are going down ;) [14:09] Then grep for something that looks like an IP address. [14:09] Camarade_Tux: orly? [14:09] heret|c, I just saw somebody answer a "ping" on irc with a 3-day delay, 3 years, you beat *anybody* ! :p [14:09] Is Camarade_Tux going down in the deathmatch today? [14:10] firebird619, yarly! [14:10] The Purple 8 Ball says: It's possible [14:10] firebird619, my duke is strong -_- [14:10] Camarade_Tux, irc=slow forum right? lol [14:10] Camarade_Tux: the magic 8 ball thinks it's possible. :P [14:10] firebird619, I'll show you it's broken ;) [14:11] heret|c :P [14:11] firebird619, plus you can't beat me, it's snowing on my desktop -_- [14:11] Uje (n=uje@125.161.189.193) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Will Camarade_Tux show me it's broken? [14:11] The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear [14:12] Camarade_Tux: you think that will stop my wrath of destruction today? :P [14:12] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] firebird619, I know only one way of knowing ;) [14:12] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Camarade_Tux: my nick is firebird, I shall burn all your snowflakes. :) [14:12] ccfreak2k: ah just realized you might have spoken to me rather than to slackboy (*hands slackboy a cookie for remaining calm*) :) [14:12] he has a point there [14:13] firebird619, good, I have a freeze thrower for you ;) [14:13] eh, freeze thrower's are overrated. [14:14] I swift kick to the head is a lot more fun. [14:14] I'm sure I could kill you with only my foot :P [14:14] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:14] (actually I'm sure I won't manage to ;) ) [14:14] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtt210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Camarade_Tux: we shall see who holds duke supremacy today. :) [14:15] Who's all in for it anyway? [14:15] firebird619, perfect, waiting for server ;) [14:15] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.22.140) joined ##slackware. [14:16] I'm working on something right now, I can't play yet. :P [14:16] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.56.72) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:17] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-75.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:18] gimme a c, gimme a h, gimme an i, gimme a c, gimme a k, gimme an e, gimme an n, what's that spell ? what's that spell ? what's that spell ? chicken ! [14:18] :D [14:18] antiwire: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/1343208/Definitive-Evidence-For-Ancient-Lake-On-Mars?from=rss [14:18] Camarade_Tux: again, strong words from a turduken. [14:19] slackytude, I keep getting something about devpts already mounted. Also I still get drwxr-xr-x for the permission mask :\ [14:19] slackmagic: Oh that looks really nice. [14:19] flux + xcompmgr [14:19] firebird619: OOOh, did you say TURDUKEN?!?! [14:19] :D [14:19] Action: Camarade_Tux really has to look up "turduken" [14:20] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtt210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: [14:20] agentc0re|work: lol, I sure did. [14:20] jescis, could you show your fstab line? [14:21] Camarade_Tux: you don't know what that is? It's turkey + duck + chicken. [14:22] /dev/sda1 /media/My_Data vfat rw,dmask=0000,fmask=0111 1 0 [14:22] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left ##slackware. [14:22] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] slackytude, ^ that's it [14:22] firebird619, oh, I had seen that on urbandictionnary, but only got it now >< [14:22] gah, stupid pidgin! [14:22] agentc0re|work: what's wrong with pidgin? [14:22] firebird619, btw, you should ready your phone so you can call your momma faster ! [14:23] firebird619: probably a problem with it in windows.. not sure what caused it but everytime i hit enter, it kept making a new line. closing out and entering back in "fixed" it. [14:23] I want a turduken. [14:23] lol [14:24] Action: firebird619 gives agentc0re|work a turduken. :P [14:24] jescis, and what happens if you chmod +x ? [14:24] \0/ [14:24] agentc0re|work: any idea why in pidgin, when I change my nick with /nick, it doesn't show me the new nick, but everyone else sees it? [14:24] Hrmm. it has worked for me in the past. [14:24] thats weird. [14:25] weird indeed. [14:25] unless you've aliases your nick to always be... whatever. [14:25] no, haven't done that. [14:25] if you've aliased it, then it will always show that way for you. [14:26] slackytude, chmod doesn't seem to work :\ [14:26] I don't think I've ever done that. Where in pidgin would I double check for that? [14:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] jescis, and how do you mount it? [14:28] slackytude, mount -a [14:29] hrm [14:29] cmair82 (n=cmair@host136-41-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:30] maybe Im too tired but I dont have any ideas anymore [14:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [14:30] Action: jescis was thinking of rebooting. But it might not help >.> [14:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [14:31] slackytude, Ifeel the same way ;) [14:31] jescis, why -a ? [14:31] mount will only show, mount -a mounts all in fstab [14:32] Camarade_Tux, better then *having* to reboot every time you edit fstab >.> [14:33] jescis, tried mounting "by hand" ? [14:33] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [14:34] agentc0re|work: forget a turduken, have a shoe burger: http://www.media.desicolours.com/2009/june/burger.jpg [14:34] you mean mount /dev/sda1 /media/My_Data and so on? [14:35] jescis, yes [14:35] mount -a seems a bit weird to test a single partition mounts correctly [14:35] plus [14:35] you need to get the fstab and the mount options right at the same time so it's not ideal to test [14:35] Action: Camarade_Tux slow today [14:36] hehe, in deathmatch, slow will be good. :) [14:36] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:36] firebird619, thanks, I was about to forget changing my playlist [14:37] Sepultura should do it [14:37] What are you playing on your playlist to get ready for the deathmatch, "Eye of the Tiger"? [14:37] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-015-241-223.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] "Can you feel the love tonight" [14:37] hahaha [14:38] Hey Dominian. I got dovecot all fixed up and working now. [14:38] bout time [14:38] damn noobs [14:38] It's working excellent. [14:38] lol [14:38] heh [14:38] dovecot is definitely a nice piece of softare [14:38] agreed [14:38] firebird619, millencolin, not tiger but "Mooseman's Jukebox" [14:38] s/softare/software/ [14:38] dang people that can't spell. ;) [14:39] u suk @ spélyng -_- [14:39] I know you do. :) [14:39] orly? [14:39] Does Camarade_Tux suck at spelling? [14:39] The Purple 8 Ball says: Not likely [14:39] dang [14:39] that didn't turn out well. [14:39] maybe it's not broken after all ;) [14:39] Does Dominian suck at spelling? [14:39] The Purple 8 Ball says: Certainly [14:39] ah, there we go. [14:40] bah [14:40] hukt on fonix wirkt fir mee! [14:40] I can tell [14:40] firebird619, will we get channel stats back by the end of year ? ='( [14:40] I'z got mah edumication [14:40] The Purple 8 Ball says: Ask again later [14:40] ='( [14:41] firebird619: will you give me a million dollars? [14:41] hehe [14:41] The Purple 8 Ball says: Ask again later [14:41] sure sure [14:41] The Purple 8 Ball says: Ask again later [14:41] Ah, now it is broken. [14:41] hahaha [14:41] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Camarade_Tux: you killed it. [14:41] firebird619, if I pawn you, you'll have to run 'xsnow -nowind -snowflakes 1000' for three days [14:41] The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear [14:41] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-76-57.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:41] ah, there we go. [14:41] it was just stuck. [14:41] is it safe to put me into wheel group and configure sudo, so that i can run without password ..? or is there any standard way [14:42] Camarade_Tux: haha, yeah right. If I win, you have to install gnome and run it for a month. [14:42] I would not trust youi within the sudo group, no [14:42] s/If/When/ [14:42] firebird619, noway ! [14:42] what is the usual way , if feel its quite in secure to do that [14:42] firebird619: will you give me a million dollars? [14:43] s/if/i/ [14:43] Dominian: If I had that kind if money, I would share. Especially with Slackware and donations. ;) [14:43] hehe [14:44] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Dominian: now that I've got dovecot and all working. What would be good to use to manage sending mail and have it also stored in ~/Maildir? [14:44] good question [14:44] cmair (n=cmair@host139-27-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] no idea :) [14:44] lol [14:44] I do virtual domains.. so everything is stored in /var/spool/mail/ [14:45] There's this msmtp on SBo that sends mail, but it doesn't have an option to store mail in a certain spot. [14:45] ssmtp? [14:45] I want this to work with my isp mail, send out through their server, but I want it to store in ~/Maildir. [14:46] ssmtp? haven't heard of that. [14:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:47] thrice`: i didn't notice your reply , ;) [14:47] look, santa clause on your desktop ! [14:47] Dominian: Hmm, that looks like it might work. [14:47] :) [14:47] xsnow! hehe. I like it. [14:48] though it kinda hides my icons :? [14:48] we should all run xsnow and eduke32 [14:48] Action: Camarade_Tux has no desktop [14:48] s/:?/:/ [14:48] init[1]: :) it's pretty safe, anyway [14:48] s/:/:\// [14:48] damn santa clause just obliterated my gedit icon :( [14:48] Uje (n=uje@125.161.189.193) left irc: [14:49] hahaha :P [14:49] my desktop is black, snow is pretty nice on it :) [14:49] There a good cli tool to use to put a bunch of jpg's to a pdf file in order of how I want? ImageMagick maybe? [14:49] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [14:49] Camarade_Tux: lol, you really like having snowflakes on your desktop? :P [14:49] firebird619, pdflatex ? [14:49] firebird619, yeah :) [14:50] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Hmm, pdflatex. [14:50] thrice`: so an external script can attempt to commands with sudo right ? alteast shouldnt i put password session time [14:50] s/to/to run/ [14:50] I've removed the penguins though, they weren't that nice and were damaging the snow =/ [14:50] I usually use OO.o and import each jpg to a page and export, but that gets to be quite a daunting task after a while. [14:51] though without password is convenient ! [14:51] Camarade_Tux: should have used tuz. :P [14:51] this laggs alot when run with 1000 snowflakes :/ [14:51] lets try 10000 :) [14:51] firebird619, too late, 2.6.30 here ;) [14:51] awwwww, there is a maximum :( [14:51] yeah, 1000 ='( [14:51] Camarade_Tux: same here [14:51] you can reduce the delay though [14:52] 2.6.29 broke my usb mass storage [14:52] so i'm back on 2.6.27 [14:52] 2.6.30 is where its at [14:52] man, my nephew came in like a whirlwind [14:52] had to throw him around a little [14:52] in a nice way [14:53] one of my uncles is younger than me [14:53] Dominian: Only thing with trying to manage sent mail like I want, is that opera doesn't leave much configuration for adjusting what's used to send the mail. I suppose I'd have to use mutt, or some client that did support that. :P I wonder if claws-mail allows that. [14:53] going from 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 -> 2.6.29 or 2.6.30, my laptop gets another 25 minutes of battery life, without changing anything else [14:53] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] go go linux kernel! [14:55] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.10.70) joined ##slackware. [14:55] slackytude: heh, that reminds me of Inspector Gadget. :P [14:55] that was the aim [14:55] cool [14:56] Inspector Gadget [14:56] ooh ohh [14:56] Inspector Gadget [14:56] anyone know of any way I can get the rgb ammount of a some pixels on a fast changing screen in python? [14:56] people in #python aren't as smart as they think they are! [14:57] jk ^ [14:57] using what? [14:57] sdl? [14:57] sdl? [14:57] Howdy folks. [14:57] pygame I mean [14:57] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Connection timed out [14:57] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [14:57] im looking for a method to do this, not the code itself [14:57] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [14:57] Hello Alan_Hicks. How are you? [14:57] Alan_Hicks: hi. I know your name from somewhere. [14:58] stealth-: from here maybe? :P [14:58] firebird619: nope, Im think T.V for some reason [14:58] oh [14:58] Alan_Hicks: you a tv star? :P [14:58] stealth-, from the slackware changelog ? :p [14:59] Alan_Hicks: I want to be just like you when i grow up [14:59] hi Alan_Hicks :) [14:59] Camarade_Tux: phft! Me? read those things? [14:59] Action: Camarade_Tux reminds stealth- still has acnea -_- [14:59] stealth-, http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/pixelarray.html [14:59] stealth-, it's slackware's ;) [14:59] Action: stealth- googles acnea [14:59] slackytude: thanks, ill check it out [15:00] slackytude: can that work with the desktop itself, or just things created with pygame? [15:01] stealth-, just with pygame stuff, if you want the desktop, you'll need to see what api X provides for that [15:01] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:01] http://x-python.sourceforge.net/Doc/x/index.html [15:02] k, thanks [15:05] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:05] hello all... is this the official slackware irc channel? [15:05] firebird619, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLDH2e75Olc&feature=related [15:05] ferdna, no. [15:06] Action: init[1] wonder ferdna sounds like fedora :P [15:06] ferdna, there is no official slackware irc channel [15:06] init[1], no ive been using slackware for quite a long time now [15:06] actually it is my fav distro out there [15:06] and thinking on moving to debian.... [15:06] ferdna: i mean your name :) [15:06] excellent! [15:06] hehehhe, ok [15:06] ... [15:06] slackytude: ok, will check that in a sec. [15:06] ferdna: let us know how that goes [15:06] d("ferdna","fedora") = |ferdna-fedora| = 2 [15:06] hey antiwire [15:07] :) [15:07] according to somebody's metric [15:07] antiwire, actually i am thinking on staying on slack... i dont know [15:07] once I thought about really trying something debian-based, I happily return to my slackware :) [15:08] Action: init[1] feels once your are on slackware - there is no second thought ! [15:08] init[1], it looks like i agree with you... [15:08] however everyone tells me that slackware is old... and i would like to know in what ways [15:09] ferdna: Who tell you this? What is their point of view? [15:09] I suspect they mean the package managment [15:09] i myself have tried several distros , thinking this would be final switch .. but .. i land up in square 1 again aka slackware :) [15:09] lacking of dependency resolution and small repo sized are the usual arguments against slackware [15:10] slackytude [15:10] i see [15:10] exclusion of pam and gnome is popular as well [15:10] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:10] i dont miss gnome at all.. [15:10] slackytude, yeah, it's popular, a popular decision ;) [15:11] i use KDE [15:11] well, personaly, I could do with pam, but the package resolution one is misplaced. I see lots and lots of people fighting with their package manager [15:12] you dont get the same degree as in slack in any other linux. the tradoff is that you have to work a little more the first time [15:12] Hm, Slackware can't run with 32MB memory anymore? It runs out of memory causing weird stuff to happen when it can't write to sysfs anymore. [15:12] degree of freedom [15:12] I hope 64MB is still enough, I guess there's room for tweaking in my setup as well. [15:13] I have a single 326-lines long file opened in three different gvim views ^^ [15:13] im getting a black screen when i startx using the radeon driver in xorg with the composite tv-out.. [15:13] Camarade_Tux, use sed ^-^ [15:13] any suggestions? [15:13] EuroTrash, you'd better use something like slackware10 [15:13] antiwire: its true what ferdna is tell about ! isn't slackware oldest like distro wtf age [15:13] and a 2.4 kernel as well [15:13] s/tell/telling [15:14] s/wtf/wrt [15:14] sorry [15:14] init[1], oldest surviving, yes [15:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.24) joined ##slackware. [15:14] slackytude, s/sed/ed/ ;) [15:14] Camarade_Tux, heh [15:14] Nick change: init[1] -> tripwire [15:14] Hm, I can't imagine it's that bad. [15:14] init[1]: It's actually true that Slackware is the oldest maintained distribution [15:14] when i was using a different ati card, the ati control panel let me set up tv out settings same with nvidia, but now i'm using the radeon video driver and tv out works, its just startx that brings up a black screen which im assuming is resolution, i tried adjusting but it doesnt seem to help.. [15:14] /back [15:14] does the radeon driver support randr ? [15:15] honestly have no clue [15:15] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [15:15] i hate ati and i wouldnt be using the card if i didnt need tv out [15:15] Hello! [15:15] hey pri4pus [15:15] google says it does on openbsd using xrandr 1.2 [15:15] This is a fresh install and has bloat like mime database, gtk immodules, etc, which it obviously doesn't need... I was surprised, though, at first boot it started scrolling loads of "no space left on device" errors for udev nodes, then panicked. [15:16] antiwire antiwire, so they bitch about it because it has been too long around? or because it doesnt step up to newest technologies? OR WHAT? [15:16] Took me a while to realize it was talking about a ramdisk. [15:16] ferdna: you tell us. they bitched to you directly, not to us. [15:16] Does Slackware 10 still get security updates? [15:16] hehehhe [15:16] ferdna: You're asking us to tell you what someone meant they they were talking to you. [15:16] There is a interesting question: You have moved /var/log/messages to /var/log/messages.1, by renaming it. [15:16] Later you notice that /var/log/messages wasn`t created and /var/log/messages.1 is size is increasing. [15:16] they they/when they [15:16] antiwire, thats why i am here trying to figure it out [15:16] How do you explain it? [15:17] ferdna: How are we supposed to know that? [15:17] firebird719 (n=firebird@173-18-61-133.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Can someone tell me how comes that? Is it possible? [15:17] ferdna: We have no context of your conversation outside of this channel. [15:17] pri4pus, you did this without a reboot? [15:17] Well that was fun, everything froze. :( [15:17] antiwire, arent you the slack gods? [15:17] i_is_cat: have a look at "man radeon", search for the string "TV". Specifically, you maybe need to use 'Option "ForceTVOut" "true"' and 'Option "TVStandard" "ntsc"' (or "pal" if that's what your TV is) [15:17] ok, ferdna is just a troll [15:17] Slackware has plenty of new technology, just less "hand-holding". [15:18] EuroTrash, don't know but anyway you could take the slackbuilds and updates parts of it, but slackware 12 wouldn't be a good idea [15:18] (morning, peoples) [15:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:18] Packages are as new as in any distro. [15:18] Slackytude: Yes. [15:18] tripwire (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [15:18] Nick change: firebird719 -> firebird619 [15:18] Camarade_Tux: hm, I'll see how it runs with 64MB, but I'm confident it should be able to handle it. [15:18] hey Urchlay [15:18] Urchlay, thanks i will check, there is a jumper on the card for pal/ntsc which i do need to change bt right now ive got it outputting to my tv tuner so i switched the tuner to pal [15:18] fburd [15:18] Urchlay, good morning [15:18] Urchlay: you ready for the deathmatch today? [15:18] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest95 [15:19] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [15:19] EuroTrash, with tweaked kernel and start scripts, right after I log into the console, free tells me I'm using 10MB [15:19] what the heck. [15:19] pri4pus, easy [15:19] antiwire, i see... and the kernel... they are always on the current stable release.... [15:19] I've added an 128MB DIMM and now it runs fine, but I can't use that DIMM slot once I get a wireless PCI card, peculiar case design :D [15:19] i_is_cat: yeah, that little jumper drove me nuts at one point: card would work in X, but not console... [15:19] so i guess everything is good.. [15:19] except [15:19] Guest95, a connection drop counts as a death [15:19] for the package manager? [15:19] pri4pus, when you move, the actual data stays in place, what is moved (or delete and created) is the entry in the filesystem [15:19] Camarade_Tux: well, I don't need a whole lot besides that. [15:19] can i say this? [15:19] i_is_cat: I bought the card in the US, I assumed it would be set up for NTSC by default, but nooooo.... [15:20] I guess 64MB is plenty, then. [15:20] Nick change: Guest95 -> firebird619 [15:20] slackytude: That is nice. :-) [15:20] i thought it was odd when i first saw it, and im in canada so i would've figured it'd be ntsc also [15:20] ferdna: Say whatever you want because it is just a personal preference, an opinion. [15:20] ati sucks balls [15:20] slackytude: Thank you! [15:20] pri4pus, but since syslog has a handle open to the data, it can still write to it. and since you new file liks to the same data, it grows [15:20] firebird619: deathmatch, aye! [15:20] Action: Camarade_Tux 's back hurts and asks for a few seeconds [15:20] Urchlay: I'm just working on something right now, then I'm ready. [15:20] pri4pus, thats also the reason windows has to reboot for updates [15:20] Camarade_Tux: chicken. [15:20] antiwire, well [15:21] i guess slackware stays with me [15:21] i mean [15:21] pri4pus, since, in windows, you cant delete the file when a process has a lock on it. sometimes you cant even copy it [15:21] slackytude: Windows = sucks! This is a definition. [15:21] ive been using for too long now [15:21] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.14.243) joined ##slackware. [15:21] and [15:21] ferdna: When you come in here and say something to the effect of "I'm a long time Slackware user" and then you ask what is wrong with the distribution you pretty much kill your credibility. [15:21] i like it [15:21] firebird619, chicken with a big cock^H^H^H^H^H RPG [15:21] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] antiwire [15:21] lol [15:21] yeah [15:21] ferdna: haven't you ever heard the old saying? "Once you go Slack, you never go back" [15:21] .. [15:21] antiwire: you in on the deathmatch today? [15:21] slackytude: Thank you! [15:21] ferdna, go easy on your enter key [15:21] pri4pus, no sweat [15:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:21] ferdna: If you're such a long time user you should be able to come to your own conclusions about the distribution. [15:22] antiwirem but i am no wizzard either... i know how to setup nvidia drivers, code in C++ and setup LAMP on it! [15:22] Argh, when everything froze, OO.o didn't save. I have to start all over. :( [15:22] and play quake 3 on it [15:22] ferdna, just try out debian and enjoy it. until you enter rpm hell [15:22] or deb hell [15:22] Urchlay, that is so true... that is why is so hard for me to leave slack [15:22] firebird619, so tell me, which music should I go for ? [15:23] slackytude, redhat was my first distro ever! [15:23] and then mandrake [15:23] and then slackware [15:23] and never ever touch enything else [15:23] ferdna: you ought to cruise over to slackbuilds.org, search for eduke32, and install it... join the channel deathmatch (Duke Nukem 3D, not Quake 3...) [15:23] Camarade_Tux: whatever you want. [15:23] akSeya (n=psycho@201.22.57.80) joined ##slackware. [15:23] firebird619, Mastodon, Leviathan :) [15:23] ferdna: You can in here saying you're a long time user and then you said you're thinking of changing to Debian only to backtrack on that by saying you think you'll stay. Then you tried to start the oldest Slackware flame topic known to the project, the package management. So far you're not doing so well at trolling. [15:24] brb, coffee [15:24] antiwire, to be fait, I brought the package thing up [15:24] to be fair as well [15:24] Action: Camarade_Tux is waiting for the eduke32 server [15:24] slackytude, hehehhe, thanks [15:24] slackytude, oh, at first I thought you wanted to be fat [15:25] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@92.82.56.175) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] right on! it works great now thanks Urchlay ! that was perfect [15:25] antiwire, i just ask why do people think slackware was an outdated distro... and not old as in.... [15:25] Camarade_Tux, nah [15:25] ferdna: Use whatever you want to use but asking us to tell you what someone else meant when they were talking to you about Slackware isn't going ot get you anything but speculation. If you're a long time user and yet you still don't know the differences, maybe you really should try something else so you can draw your own conclusions. [15:26] never hurts to try out something else [15:26] ferdna: We don't know what "people" were talking about so we can't answer that. [15:26] broaden your horizion [15:26] except suse [15:26] that hurts [15:26] antiwire, i will btake my friend in here... so he tells you about it... because he is the one who told me... so thats why i want to know [15:26] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] actually he has spoken to richard stallman... and to KDE developers... he develops part of KDE [15:27] ferdna: You really don't need to do that. If you're this curious about it try something else and come up with your own conclusion instead of being spoon fed some other person's opinion. [15:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:29] Urchlay, lol duke3d... that is old... i still have the original cds [15:29] how good is it? [15:29] ... [15:29] ferdna: This seems to be a theme for you. [15:29] ? [15:29] what are you talking about? [15:29] What a friend... he does not know what he is talking about obviously. And if you are a longtime Slackware user why do you need someone else to form your opinion of Slackware [15:30] ferdna: go try it and form your own opinion. [15:30] Hi alienBOB [15:30] alienBOB, i dont... i just was curious about it [15:30] ! [15:30] firebird619, thats why i wanted your opinion... because you may be more experimented... [15:31] than me [15:31] ferdna, how long have you used slackware? [15:31] And, how old are you? [15:31] slackware is maybe the distro with the most recent X and kernel releases, how could it be old ? [15:31] Camarade_Tux, fedora is newer afaik [15:32] i started with redhat 8... i think that was 1998 or so i believe... dont remember [15:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [15:32] until redhat 9 and then moved to mandrake for a few months [15:32] and then to slackware [15:32] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-147-102.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) got netsplit. [15:32] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [15:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-4.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. [15:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got netsplit. [15:32] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) got netsplit. [15:32] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) got netsplit. [15:32] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. [15:32] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got netsplit. [15:32] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) got netsplit. 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[15:33] Action: slackytude visits macavitys girlfirend [15:33] alienBOB: there is a link about monobook template in your wiki http://tatewake.com/wiki/projects:monobook_for_dokuwiki which should actually point to http://tatewake.com/wiki/software:dokuwiki:template:mon [15:33] This guy is failtroll [15:33] TwinReverb, hehehhe [15:33] I think the moved it [15:33] Camarade_Tux, macavity [15:33] monstro (i=1000@187.10.66.66) joined ##slackware. [15:33] well, somebody [15:34] Hi all, [15:34] init[1]: the link behind the monobook icon in the lower left of each page? I fixed that after you mentioned the dead link earlier [15:34] How to stop dhcpcd in slackware 12 ? [15:34] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:34] ops [15:34] Indeed the monobook URL was moved [15:34] kill it? [15:34] man dhcpcd [15:34] monstro: You want to use static IPs instead of dhcpcd? [15:34] monstro: look in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [15:34] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. 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[15:36] Camarade_Tux, its assassin. killer sounds so rough [15:36] alienBOB: this part Template and plugins [15:36] Template: MonoBook [15:36] so anyone tryed the 64 bit version? [15:36] * [15:36] Get the archive file for the monobook template from Tatewake's web site. [15:36] ferdna, lots of people [15:36] Still on Slamd64 for now. [15:37] Nick change: pragma_ -> litb_ [15:37] Camarade_Tux, hitman might work too [15:37] Nick change: Nosuchnik_aw -> NoSuchNik [15:37] Action: bhodgins_ wonders whats going to happen to slamd [15:37] does it perform notably faster than regular? and how about stability? [15:37] ferdna! [15:37] yes? [15:37] ferdna did nt you know? there is no speed increase with 64 bit.. [15:37] bhodgins_: come again? [15:37] If there's any speed advantage, it's quite marginal, but it might exist. [15:37] there is a speed increase, not everywhere though [15:37] Nick change: litb_ -> pragma_ [15:37] bhodgins_, no i didnt.... [15:38] bhodgins_: WRONG [15:38] there is speed increase with 64-bit is a lie [15:38] thrice`, also the cake was a lie! [15:38] who said that? [15:38] bhodgins_: pm ok? [15:38] Dominian: look up 5 lines :) [15:38] ah [15:38] Action: slackytude just pushes everything into 128bit registers [15:38] thrice`, still think so :) [15:38] i noticed a speed increase but my senses are not calibrated instruments [15:39] slackytude, hehehe [15:39] the only speed increase you really could get, and I'm sure some asm people here are on my side, is the fact that you dont have to do a wrap around to calculate things that large [15:39] bhodgins_: that's not true.. [15:39] thrice`, notice the second part of the sentence too :) [15:39] the best way to say it until / unless you have facts / stats is "there seems to be a speed increase" [15:39] sure if I can find that pm [15:39] You get larger memory sets, which may help performance. [15:39] You also get more general purpose registers [15:39] now on the other hand if you have 4GB+ RAM 64bit will show you a speed increase in the way of having more RAM [15:39] we really don't need more registers lol [15:39] ttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1 [15:39] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] pretty good comparison [15:39] bhodgins_: you're an idiot [15:40] bhodgins_: You..are an idiot [15:40] and i bet there are plenty of benchmarks online that prove 64 bit > 32 bit [15:40] oops, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1 [15:40] thrice`, straterra come on, just say he's wrong, no need to be "omg idiot!" [15:40] thrice`, don't worry, we can add that 'h' manually ;) [15:40] But..he..is an idiot [15:40] disagree; stupid people need to be told they are stupid [15:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hrarg [15:40] thrice`, I need to tell you something [15:40] ok, you may proceed [15:41] Permission denied :P [15:41] thrice`, now, ask them to run flam3-render or electric sheep :) [15:41] thrice`: are you the guy who can't ever sleep because "Somewhere, someone on the Internet is *wrong*!" [15:41] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Urchlay, hahhaha [15:42] granted, it's ubuntu they benchmarked 8-( [15:42] it's still apples to apples [15:42] 32-bit apps on an OS vs. 64-bit on the same OS [15:42] if you didn't know, having more ram doesn't make it go faster, in simple terms, it prevents you from slowing down. [15:42] huh? [15:43] straterra, thrice` actually he's not an idiot (that would require you knowing him well enough to say that), however, the comment is ignorant (i.e. he has no stats to prover his point) [15:43] afaiu, the comment was about the number of registers [15:43] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtt210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:43] bhodgins_: actually..more memory does mean more speed [15:43] If you use the memory for cache [15:43] no, the vague comment was: 15:37 < bhodgins_> ferdna did nt you know? there is no speed increase with 64 bit.. [15:44] eh, so, who was going to run the eduke32 server? [15:44] hell if you had enough RAM (5GB+) you could cache the entire / into RAM (but why?) [15:44] Urchlay, i want in [15:44] TwinReverb, for the speedz [15:44] one of the reasons why it is faster is because you don't have to overwrite whats already there, or erasse it then write it [15:45] bhodgins_, have you benchmarked slackware-current versus slackware64-current on the same machine using the same applications? [15:45] ferdna: the only thing you need that you can't get from those slackbuilds, is the .grp file from the duke nukem 3d CD-ROM. I'm not sure whether we're using the regular or atomic edition... [15:45] (and isn't there a function for RAM that means "erase while writing"?) [15:45] no, but I have never noticed any significant clock increases from 64 bit instruction code. [15:45] monstro (i=1000@187.10.66.66) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] bhodgins_, if you have not done so you have no way of proving your point [15:45] Urchlay, cool... i have all cds [15:45] clock increases? [15:45] it was my fav game at the time [15:45] hehehe [15:45] the website link thrice` posted proves the point [15:45] Moving to 64-bit won't give you a clock increase [15:46] exactly! [15:46] but oyu can overclock it [15:46] ! [15:46] ferdna: it's a classic, still a great game IMO [15:46] I just hate people who say "omg, 64-bit is NOT faster than 32-bit, don't use it" [15:46] same with ram [15:46] YOu can overclock a 32bit processor too [15:46] when there are clear and definite benchmarks that prove there is [15:46] TwinReverb, ram needs to be refreshed. and if you write to it, everything before gets lost. you may be thinkink of write-through cache stuff [15:46] more ram doesnt give you a clock increase either., [15:46] it's the same processor, of course it doesn't [15:46] screw it.. just install the OS into tmpfs [15:46] thrice`, ok ;) [15:47] clock speed is not the only thing that accounts for speed [15:47] besides, the slowest device on most machines is the hard drive so think about it [15:47] a 64bit system with less then 4GB is kinda pointless tho [15:47] giving the system moreram doesnt make your cpu run faster, thats my point with memory, therefore, more ram doesnt mean faster, but if you don'thave enough ram, it can slow you down [15:47] slackytude: no its not [15:47] slackytude: why? [15:47] You still get more general purpose registers [15:47] And there are other peices of memory in the system [15:47] bhodgins_, not according to those benchmarks [15:47] it's a 12% increase [15:47] Also, some math heavy programs will benefit greatly [15:48] (as the benchmark shows) [15:48] i just want performance for LAMP [15:48] bhodgins_: more than cpu speed makes a system faster [15:48] ferdna: 64-bit can help [15:48] bhodgins_, so basically just sitting here saying the same thing over and over again when there is a benchmark from a reputable source to prove you wrong is only wasting our time [15:48] straterra, thats small stuff, who cares. [15:48] also, is there anyone who is compiling programs for 64 bits? [15:48] Large SQL databases.. [15:48] anyone doing this? [15:48] much less it's stirring up strife, which no one appreciates [15:48] ferdna, sure [15:48] slackytude: its not as small as youd think [15:49] slackytude: but given the choice, why wouldn't you ? It's proven to be quicker in many ways [15:49] or does this sounds like a new project for us? [15:49] It's a FREE increase in performance [15:49] So why wouldn't you do it? [15:49] straterra, aren't there some instructions on (for example) core 2 duo 64bit that don't exist in 32bit that cause a performance increase when the software knows how to take advantage of it? [15:49] straterra, and aren't 64bit chips designed with 32bit back-compatibility as an afterthought? [15:49] TwinReverb: Well..all of the x86_64 extensions [15:49] like SSE2? [15:49] interesting. LAME encoding actually was a hair slower on 64-bit, in their benchmark [15:49] It's not an afterthought [15:50] It's actually a huge selling point [15:50] well that's why i asked 8-) [15:50] I really wish x86 stuck with the acumulator register and stack design [15:50] And SSE extensions are seperate than 32/64-bit [15:50] I bet because the 32-bit LAME uses hand-tweaked CPU-specific asm code, and the 64-bit version is either plain C or hasn't been as thoroughly optimized [15:50] intel's first 64bit cpus couldn't run in 32bit mode and I remember that was a big problem [15:50] something we really never needed was more registers lol [15:50] Camarade_Tux: that's a different architecture completely [15:51] (well, actually itanium's IA64) [15:51] That was IA-64 [15:51] And it could...just extremely slowly..so it was often disabled [15:51] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7571D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Or just not used [15:51] Urchlay, it's ubuntu, i don't know what their LAME was compiled for [15:51] when 13-rc1 comes out i'll let you know because i'll be running it on two different machines 8-) [15:52] straterra, didn't know that (maybe because I never got close to any IA64 machine) [15:52] thats why I liked ppc, it could naturally switch between native 32 and 64 bit at any time at run-time. great for those large calculations too. [15:52] TwinReverb++ [15:52] actually, read this one, even better: http://www.scribd.com/doc/363677/Benchmarks-AMD64-in-32bit-mode-vs-64bit-mode-Ubuntu [15:52] TwinReverb: me either. But the lame sources do contain a lot of asm... [15:52] Scribd requires Javascript. Please enable Javascript in your browser. [15:52] for LAMP, there is an 18% gain [15:52] web design FAIL [15:52] maybe it's because some CDs are 16bit audio? [15:52] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Success [15:52] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [15:53] Camarade_Tux: I'm done with what I was doing now. :P [15:53] it is possible that rearranging the transistor design has caused the 64 bit cpu's to run much faster, however, that does not mean that what makes it 64 bit makes it faster [15:53] imagemagick: 32-bit @ 31.8 sec, 64-bit @ 15.5 sec [15:53] i have an intel EE [15:53] the centaurs did that [15:53] man why do people have to put stuff in java, honestly? 8-( [15:53] ! [15:54] thrice`'s link reminds me how faster webkit's squirrelfish gets on 64bit, like 30% faster [15:54] heh. Even bigger fail: when I enable JS for that site, firefox (3.0.10) dies instantly [15:54] haven't seen a crashing bug in firefox in a long time... [15:54] bhodgins_, first you seemed to imply clock speed = real speed, now you're not? [15:54] firebird619, wait a few minutes, I need to put some pizza in the microwave, 10pm and haven't eaten yet [15:54] SO, anyone interested in a duke nukem deathmatch ? [15:54] Camarade_Tux: yes! [15:54] via rearranged their centaurs and doubled their hpw rate. [15:54] Camarade_Tux: ok. [15:54] have you ever studied how processors work? [15:55] Urchlay: you're in as well? [15:55] I would say only one thing about 32-bit and 64-bit. Windows sucks! [15:55] Urchlay, update fail: 2.0.11 is in /patches for 12.2 [15:55] er 3.0.11 [15:55] version fail [15:55] whatever, lets not get too deep into thos. I came here to talk, not argue. [15:55] btw, there are also more recent phoronix benchmarks which show a performance increase in ubuntu64 compared to ubuntu32 [15:55] this* [15:55] that second link is MUCH better about results [15:55] TwinReverb: I'm on -current 64-bit, I haven't updated in over a week because I haven't felt like dealing with the new xorg (so many people are having problems with it and the nvidia proprietary driver) [15:55] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-163.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:56] bhodgins_: What is your point actually? [15:56] firebird619: yeah, I'm in. Who's running the server? [15:56] Urchlay: not sure. [15:56] antiwire: you in on duke deathmatch? [15:56] pri4pus which one [15:56] Urchlay, firefox is a binary repackage iirc so i don't know. is firefox truly 64bit on slack64-current? or the same repackaged 32bit? hold on i'll do a diff test [15:56] ok [15:56] bhodgins_: About 32 and 64? [15:57] We have to wait for Camarade_Tux to get his pizza made/ [15:57] /usr/lib64/firefox-3.0.10/firefox-bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [15:57] antiwire: what's the command to start hosting again? :P [15:58] Urchlay, wow cool thanks [15:58] There is some software that won't run with any kind of decent stability in 32-bit [15:59] firefox is a binary repackage on slackware32, not on slamd64 and I don't know on slackware32 [15:59] host: eduke32 -net -p25000 /n0:X guest: eduke32 -net /n0 serverip:25000 [15:59] pizza being waved, we can start :) [16:00] alright. [16:00] and /me is unreachable [16:00] <_alisonken1churc> recommendations on anti-virus/malware software for windows xp anyone? [16:00] What about beer to pizza? [16:00] so me, antiwire, Camarade_Tux and Urchlay. so /n0:4 [16:00] _alisonken1churc: AVG for anti virus and malwarebytes for spyware [16:00] excellent [16:00] what's "serverip" then? [16:01] pri4pus, thought I'd better stop drinking that much [16:01] clients don't spec the :4 part only /n0 [16:01] I'll get it in a sec. Can I pm it to you guys? [16:01] and, are we using standard or atomic edition? [16:01] _alisonken1churc: What for? Windows sucks! [16:01] sure, pm me [16:01] standard is all I have [16:01] monsters enabled or disabled? [16:01] where can i get slack 64 from? [16:01] pri4pus: some people make a living off of windows administration [16:01] disabled [16:01] firebird619, sure [16:01] ferdna, http://www.slackware.org/getslack [16:01] pri4pus, i make a living out of windows [16:01] ferdna: any slackware mirror [16:02] <_alisonken1churc> pri4pus: I know, but my sis-in-law is stuck on her itunes fixes, so wants her windows [16:02] eh, and make sure you pick "Dukematch (spawn)" [16:02] Dominian, TwinReverb, any torrent link? [16:02] long time Slackware use doesn't know about Slackware mirrors huh... [16:02] HAHAHAHHAHA [16:02] ferdna, not that i am aware of [16:02] HAHAHHAHAHA [16:02] that's interesting... [16:02] antiwire, you are killing me [16:02] antiwire, ferdna, _alisonken1churc: This is slackware channel. [16:02] lol [16:02] ferdna: that'd obnoxious [16:02] that's^ [16:02] slackware.no has -current iso's (development!), but slackware64 has not yet had a release [16:02] _alisonken1churc: But if you insist, Kaspersky is very good! [16:02] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtt210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [16:03] Hmm, sec, it just sent me back to usage syntax. :P [16:03] bleah, this rsync is taking longer than I expected, hang on a minnit [16:03] you can rsync with slackware64-current and there are instructions in isolinux/ that should show you how to build a DVD of your very own to burn [16:03] you can even use rsync options to not download source/ [16:03] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] TwinReverb, Urchlay... thanks [16:03] hehhehe [16:03] yeah, another player just joined :D [16:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] <_alisonken1churc> pri4pus: yes, it is. [16:04] NukeDukem: wanna deathmatch? [16:04] i personally exclude source and kdei [16:04] simbiozz (n=simbiozz@190.96.33.204) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ferdna, i have an rsync script or two if you need them [16:04] naw, i dont have the game [16:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ferdna: its not been released yet.. slackware64 that is.. its only in -current form. [16:05] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.42.75) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:05] TwinReverb, share it please [16:05] brb [16:05] NukeDukem, nooooo ! [16:05] ferdna: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [16:05] ferdna, /msg [16:06] thanks [16:06] both of you [16:06] i got sick of win2k after two days on this old laptop and wiped it off and made it a console only slack install with just two apps for internet, irssi & lynx [16:06] ^^ [16:06] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A762D7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] Why so many people prefer lunx over links? [16:07] NukeDukem: links -g [16:07] Why so many people prefer lynx over links? [16:07] muraii (n=muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [16:07] lynx has prettier fonts with colors [16:07] no X so -g wont work [16:08] doh [16:08] i do have lynx -g working on my desktop nicely though :) [16:08] dillo too [16:08] i prefer links but still i don't care. if i'm using either it's because i can't use the graphical system yet [16:08] Action: TwinReverb is a firefox groupie [16:09] lynx + links = love [16:09] firebird619, any problem ? [16:09] Action: TwinReverb uninstalls lynx [16:09] Camarade_Tux: yeah, sec. [16:09] akSeya (n=psycho@201.22.57.80) left irc: "Leaving" [16:10] firebird619, take you time, just wanted to be sure I hadn't been left out of the game ;) [16:10] Camarade_Tux: nah, you're not left out. :P [16:10] *firebird619 is installing cheat so he can maybe beat Camarade_Tux [16:10] hei , i wanna play too [16:10] gimme instructions to download [16:11] i like lynx's keyboard commands like ctrl n p (forwared or back two lines) or ctrl ) ( = half page at a time [16:11] Camarade_Tux, [16:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] DeeeeP, have the game ? [16:12] Camarade_Tux: nah, it's not that. my firewall's blocking the port. :P [16:12] well, i have to go now.... [16:12] nope, will install [16:12] iptables that is. [16:12] i really enjoy it... [16:12] hehehhe [16:12] be back later [16:12] Camarade_Tux, tell me game name [16:13] DeeeeP, make eduke32 http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=eduke&sv=12.2 and optionnaly eduke32_hires_pack (big download) [16:13] I think maybe the hires pack isn't optional, if the server is using it [16:13] you'd need duke32.grp from duke nukem 3d [16:13] See you tomorow! [16:13] eduke32 already have the maps and stuff ? [16:13] Bye! [16:13] so we're ready to fire up the game? [16:13] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:13] Camarade_Tux, is that grp , shareware / freeware ? [16:13] Urchlay: not yet. iptables issue. [16:13] DeeeeP, in duke32.grp I think [16:13] DeeeeP, no, proprietary [16:14] Camarade_Tux, where did u get it ? [16:14] DeeeeP, sbo [16:14] DeeeeP: there is a eduke32_shareware_data package, but shareware only has episode 1 (and AFAIK it can't play multiplayer against the full version) [16:14] that's why there is the eduke32_shareware_data which provides a part of it [16:14] DeeeeP, coughgooglecough [16:15] DeeeeP: to get the full version, go to the store and find the section of old games for $3 apiece, and buy a Duke Nukem 3D disc :) [16:15] *cough*piratebay*cough* [16:15] lol [16:15] actually I think you can buy it for $5 from amazon, too [16:15] sure, i ll buy ... gimme 30 mins and ill join [16:15] :D [16:16] server : port ? [16:16] firebird619: you playing with the atomic edition or original full version? [16:16] 6$ on 3drealms.com [16:16] what version [16:16] Urchlay: he has original full [16:16] 3D Atomic high res , works ? [16:16] Urchlay: original [16:17] ok [16:17] Dominian, so mirror1 is still crap for rsync? [16:17] I think I joined with atomic once [16:17] edman007: yep.. [16:17] edman007: its probably going away unfortunately [16:17] :( [16:17] alright, now to find a new mirror [16:18] *cough*thisjokedon'tworkonirc*cough* [16:18] slackytude2: *cough*ban*cough* [16:18] :( [16:18] do I still get my t-shirt? [16:20] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit!" [16:22] slackytude2, which one? "I mentioned Pirate Bay on FreeNode IRC and all I got was banned (oh, and this T-Shirt)"? [16:22] that would be nice [16:22] nah, I ordered a slackware shirt [16:22] failshirt.com ? 8-) [16:22] Urchlay: check pm from me. [16:22] <_alisonken1churc> TwinReverb: how about " "I mentioned Pirate Bay on FreeNode IRC and all I got was banned (oh, and this bi,[er sticker" [16:23] <_alisonken1churc> sorry - "bumper sticker" [16:23] more like "I mentioned Pirate Bay on FreeNode IRC and all I got was banned, so I had to make my own T-Shirt and bumper sticker 8-(" [16:24] oh that was cute guys [16:24] did anyone else crash? [16:24] <_alisonken1churc> TwinReverb: good one :) [16:24] antiwire: what happened from your end? [16:24] stack overflow [16:24] ouch [16:25] and here it said, refused packets, Removed from Game. :P [16:25] this works so much better over LAN [16:25] firebird619: OK, got it [16:25] Urchlay: there's issues with it. :P [16:25] it's not really meant for internet play, even though it works [16:26] so I shouldn't try it just yet? [16:26] no, it just crashes [16:26] :P [16:26] craptastic [16:27] heh, yeah. [16:27] when does it crash? immediately, or when players join, or when you try to start the game, or...? [16:27] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.14.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:28] as people joined, antiwire got stack overflow. I got refused packets removed from game. [16:28] I don't know what state my system is in now. It overflowed [16:28] put a bucket under it [16:28] I'm probably in a pwnable state [16:28] who is Thomas York? [16:28] antiwire: your system is probably bloated and slow :) [16:28] TwinReverb: singer for radiohead I think [16:29] yeah [16:29] rworkman and phrag are friends with him then 8-S [16:29] why does everyone ELSE have to be friends with famous people? 8-( lol [16:29] eh, every time I meet famous people, at least interesting ones that I'd want to talk to, I can't think of anything intelligent to say [16:29] I'm pretty sure you know Thomas York and you just don't realize it. [16:30] Facebook [16:30] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hi does anyone have this problem too? i did upgrade-all and now my wine and compiz wont work [16:31] um isn't wine compiled for whatever machine? or did you get it from a repository? [16:31] missyjane: on a versioned release or -current? [16:31] as for compiz, it can eat /dev/urandom and die 8-) [16:31] missyjane, guess you have to recompile wine to accomodate the changes [16:31] bleh [16:31] is compiz actually useful for anything, or is it just pointless "my e-penis is bigger" stuff? [16:31] Camarade_Tux, that is most likely, it says i need to use a suitable device driver [16:31] on -current or 12.X ? [16:32] unless you want to compile everything as static (which isn't pretty imho) [16:32] im not sure which one, i used slackpkg update then slackpkg upgrade-all [16:32] missyjane, yea...don't expect things not in slack to work after upgrading [16:32] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] Urchlay, i've never found a way that compiz helped me get stuff done faster but then again i never used it except on Knoppix Live DVDs because I was forced 8-) [16:32] usually just recompile the broken package [16:32] isnt wine in slack? [16:32] missyjane: you don't even know whether you're using 12.2 or -current? I doubt that... [16:32] ... [16:32] missyjane, and your mirror is set to ... ? [16:32] ok , im ready for duke3d , who's is server , and what type is it ? [16:32] slackytude2: no [16:32] TwinReverb, some stuff is nice [16:32] DeeeeP: it's owned [16:32] i have a dual core laptop that could run Vista if I wanted but i still tweak my stuff for speed instead of looks [16:32] i was running 12.1, did update then upgrade-all, so [16:33] DeeeeP: firebird619 is the server, but he's having issues getting thing to work right :( [16:33] TwinReverb, the cube is kinda pointless tho [16:33] oh [16:33] Urchlay, TwinReverb, compiz has some nice that can help productivity, it also has *tons* of other things that won't ;) [16:33] TwinReverb: yes, you can [16:33] slackytude2, unless you're playing techno in the background 8-) [16:33] or somebody else can make the server meanwhile [16:33] Camarade_Tux: oooh pretty colors! [16:33] :D [16:33] And..Thomas York is the lead singer of radiohead [16:33] then it's the most useful thing in existence 8-) [16:33] firebird619, wanna try a two people deathmatch to test your config ? [16:33] antiwire: want to host the eduke32 server instead? (at least it worked once or twice before?) [16:33] TwinReverb, heh, no seriously, stuff like expose or hot cornes for that thing that gives all your windows side by side is neat [16:34] dang, phrag and rworkman are lucky 8-( [16:34] It should work fine if i host but it lags [16:34] lag is better than no game at all... [16:34] snL20, you forgot "oooh wobbly windows" :D [16:34] Camarade_Tux: hehe ;) [16:34] antiwire, that was without the magical /n0 switch, might be faster no [16:34] how much upload u got , antiwire ? [16:34] I'd host it if I could :( [16:34] how many people? [16:34] me - 1 [16:34] me [16:34] me [16:35] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-122-10.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] this is going to suck but whatever [16:35] firebird619 too I guess [16:35] we won't know without trying ;) [16:35] Why are phrag/rworkman lucky? [16:35] antiwire, u playing ? [16:35] DeeeeP: I'm hosting so...yes? [16:35] ok , 5 then [16:36] firebird619: you in? [16:36] Camarade_Tux: with 5, it probably will suck big time. :P [16:36] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Urchlay: sure. [16:36] network: Waiting for server to launch game [16:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] This will lag like heck me thinks. [16:36] ok. Server up & running yet? [16:36] DeeeeP: just wait. [16:36] k [16:36] I pm'd you all [16:36] kk , sorry [16:37] need 2 more people [16:37] 1` more [16:37] oh, I haz snow on the window [16:37] need 6 ? [16:37] omg! you mean you're not playing duke nukem forever !? lol [16:37] waiting for 1 more player [16:38] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [16:38] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.232.212) joined ##slackware. [16:38] snL20, we are [16:38] this isn't duke nukem forever [16:38] not forever , 3D [16:38] anyone know how to changed the default encoder in kaudiocreator in -current64? [16:38] this is duke nukem 3d [16:38] *change [16:38] snL20, right, misread ;) [16:38] Camarade_Tux: hehe :] [16:38] and who the hell is not connected yet? [16:38] akSeya (n=psycho@189-95-75-64.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:38] im waiting [16:38] connected too, Urchlay ? [16:38] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:39] I'm connected [16:39] DeeeeP: have you connected? [16:39] i see ips: .163, .233 .133 and me [16:39] yes, connected , and waiting [16:39] our 5th man is MIA [16:39] I'm .233 [16:39] here I come... [16:39] lol [16:39] slow poke [16:39] :P [16:39] 163 is me [16:39] lol [16:40] Urchlay, I'm going to whip you ! [16:40] network: Waiting for server to launch game [16:40] is someone using the wrong grp? [16:40] Using group file 'duke3d_nonatomic_full.grp' as main group file. [16:40] not me [16:40] sounds like you guys are having fun [16:40] Urchlay :D [16:40] slackytude2: not really this game is a bitch to setup for net play [16:40] oh, noatomic [16:40] in fact this blows [16:40] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Action: Camarade_Tux has troubles reading today [16:40] btw whoever said that, isnt wine part of slackware? [16:40] antiwire, it was ironic [16:40] that is, comes with slackware? [16:41] missyjane: no it is not. [16:41] missyjane, no [16:41] oh [16:41] hum [16:41] then its on sbo [16:41] network: Waiting for 1 player... [16:41] ok, Urchlay how does your ip end ? [16:41] I killed it [16:41] mine is locked [16:41] this is ghey [16:41] great game [16:41] xxx.129:25000 refused packets. Removed from game. [16:41] arch arch arch ... :D [16:41] the excitment! the adrenaline! the blood! [16:41] I killed the server because that was lamer than lame [16:41] heh, sorry [16:41] gah, it's annoying for net pla ! [16:41] slackytude2: lol [16:42] Urchlay, how u get back to bash prompt ? [16:42] control-\ [16:42] (control-C won't work) [16:42] eyah , thanks [16:42] akSeya (n=psycho@189-95-75-64.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] then ... ? [16:43] how about a round of defcon? or descent? [16:43] those work [16:43] dont have [16:43] never heard of defcon, and I suck too much at descent :( [16:43] defcon => sbo [16:43] dont like descent [16:43] why not play doom :D [16:43] or openarena [16:43] that descent ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_(computer_game) [16:43] likely we'd have the same issues with doom [16:44] dont like descent? [16:44] nope [16:44] (it uses similar networking protocol anyway) [16:44] Action: slackytude2 slaps DeeeeP [16:44] :) [16:44] way to confusing [16:44] subspace is nice as well [16:44] openarena , have great gfx , q3 engine [16:44] antiwire: want to try again, or no? [16:45] ok go [16:45] Camarade_Tux, yes, it rocks your socks off [16:45] network: Connected to xxx.xxx.xxx.129:25000 [16:45] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [16:45] rock out with your cock out [16:45] network: Waiting for server to launch game [16:45] yeah...waiting for 1 player [16:46] you bastards [16:46] someone took contorl... [16:46] you know the serving system gets to control... [16:47] this is bullshit [16:47] antiwire: nobody wants you in their game! [16:47] I'm the GD host [16:47] :-) [16:47] firebird6191 (n=firebird@173-18-61-133.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:47] firebird crashed us all [16:47] hm [16:47] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-163.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] ... [16:47] its not a wine problem, ppl in #winehq are telling me [16:47] No, wine has nothing to do with it. If glxinfo fails [16:47] Nick change: NoSuchNik -> Nosuchnik_aw [16:47] DeeeP died too [16:47] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-163.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:47] antiwire: I didn't mean to. the game crashed then x crashed. [16:47] what happen [16:47] i was ingame , waiting for players [16:48] I killed you all, I WIN. :P [16:48] it ate shit again surprise surprise [16:48] well , in duke3d screen [16:50] im getting this when i run glxinfo Error: glXCreateContext failed [16:50] so what can i do about that? [16:50] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-30-36.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [16:50] missyjane: do you have an nvidia card? [16:50] gah, I had to Sysrq+R, switch to vt and now mouse doesn't work anymore [16:50] Camarade_Tux: lol [16:50] eduke32 net play is simply a framework for causing epic system crashes [16:51] no mouse :0 [16:51] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] yes antiwire [16:51] haha UrchLap :P [16:51] missyjane: reinstall the drivers [16:51] lol [16:51] so far I have hardlocked, stack overflowed, stack underflowed, lost net connectivity and rebooted from eduke32 -net [16:51] gg [16:51] what?! [16:51] serious? [16:52] lol [16:52] OK, so it's been sitting there at "waiting for players" screen, playing the game music, completely unresponsive to mouse/keyboard, for a while now [16:52] Action: snL20 hax0rz antiwire [16:52] UrchLap: it's long gone [16:52] we all ate crap hardcore [16:52] UrchLap, yeah , had to kill X [16:52] antiwire: great. I wish the damn client would figure it out then [16:52] UrchLap: my game crashed then X crashed. [16:52] X? come on, use a tty :) [16:53] Then I came back and found that everyone else crashed and burned too. [16:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] didn't have to kill X, just "kill -QUIT" the game [16:53] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] eh, from an ssh session from the laptop [16:53] antiwire: ah crap, I know why it crashed. nvidia drivers. :( I never reinstalled then after I compiled the new kernel. :( [16:54] bhodgins_: I defy you run run GLX apps in a tty [16:54] s/then/them/ [16:54] edman007, hahaha (I can't switch channels right now...) [16:54] everyone, slap firebird with a trout [16:54] Action: firebird6191 runs [16:54] I know I was just kidding around [16:54] bhodgins_: hint: the X in GLX... [16:54] Action: firebird6191 grabs a katana [16:54] yes, I "run run glx apps in a tty" [16:54] UrchLap, I used Alt+R and switched to a virtual terminal ;) [16:54] Action: firebird6191 slices fish and makes dinner. [16:54] Action: bhodgins_ rolls his eyes [16:54] lol [16:54] bad firebird6191 ! [16:54] antiwire: The drivers won't build now. :( [16:55] Camarade_Tux: my nick is 6191? [16:55] bhodgins_: laptop keyboard almost impossible to type on, especially sitting sideways on bed [16:55] firebird6191, yeah [16:55] lucky I made as much sense as I did... [16:55] Camarade_Tux: ah crap, gotta fix that too. [16:55] now, trying to get my mouse back [16:55] I'm not sure mr.Mesaglut likes that response [16:55] XD [16:55] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:55] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest2365 [16:56] ARGH. brb [16:56] firebird6191 (n=firebird@173-18-61-133.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:56] Camarade_Tux: did you kill eduke32 with -9? don't do that (use -QUIT instead) [16:56] firebird_619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:57] Urchlay, yeah, I did, will use -QUIT instead next time [16:57] eh, -3, except I can never remember the number [16:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@ip70-185-109-252.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:57] so wanna try openarena ? there is a sb [16:57] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [16:57] there [16:57] play teeworlds :) [16:57] nvidia.ko failed to build! [16:57] Urchlay, thanks, I ran the game and quit it and got my mouse back :) [16:58] Action: firebird619 breaks out good ol solitaire [16:58] firebird619, start the build and then edit some files [16:58] cd /tmp/self/usr/src/nv/nv.c [16:58] openarena works [16:58] well, don't enter the nv.c [16:58] yes, it works [16:58] you don't need to edit anything [16:59] edit it and remove all lines that are "->owner =" [16:59] lol [16:59] or just rm that dir... [16:59] openarena SBo build looks like it's not quite download-and-run for x86_64. [16:59] rm sounds a bit easier. :P [16:59] Action: Urchlay waits for openarea 300 meg zip file to download... [17:00] firebird619: are you in X or rl4 when you try to build? [17:00] i see x86_64 in my openarena dir [17:00] what did you do to your system? [17:00] antiwire: X. and the pc starts to rl4 [17:00] Urchlay, you broke youtube! [17:00] firebird619: you can't build the nvidia driver in rl4 or inside of X [17:00] firebird619: init 3 and rebuilt it [17:00] All I've done is compiled and am using 2.6.30 kernel. [17:00] and now nvidia won't build. :P [17:01] get the latest nvidia driver [17:01] edman007: that's right, all over the world, people are scratching their heads and going "WTF youtube broke?!111oneone" [17:01] r_linux (n=r_linux@200.225.95.150) left irc: "puta que te pariu!" [17:01] :( [17:01] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.223.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.14-pkg1.run works fine with 2.6.30 [17:01] hm [17:01] should i use nvidia driver from sbo or the official nvidia site?? [17:02] I just use the nvidia .sh alone [17:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if he ran attic/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.44-pkg2.run or attic/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.14-pkg2.run [17:04] eh, so. Has anyone gotten xorg-server-1.6.1 + the proprietary nvidia driver to play nice with each other on 64-bit -current? [17:04] eh, I should be more specific: I have to use the "nvidia-legacy" driver, my card is too old to use the 180 and up versions [17:04] Urchlay: I'll say this, kde4 -current 32 will not enable kde4 effects with the latest nvidia driver [17:04] Action: Camarade_Tux is on slamd64 [17:05] antiwire: kde4 effects don [17:05] hm [17:05] how can i approach this? http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=12.2 [17:05] don't matter to me, I only care that the card does 3d for games and xvideo for mplayer to use [17:05] missyjane: you need to know your hardware. what version of the chipset you have will determine which driver you need. [17:06] hm i have a 9600 is the best i can remember [17:06] but im not sure exactly what im looking for when you say version of chipset [17:06] and I can't use "the latest nvidia driver", I have to use the 173.x "legact" driver :( [17:06] lspci [17:06] er, legacy [17:06] Urchlay, which card ? [17:06] for example my lspci for my graphics card shows me: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1) [17:06] so I'm on a G72 [17:06] I've avoided updating my -current because I don't want to open that can o' worms, but that means instead of -current I'm running -stale [17:07] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) [17:07] I know of at least two things that prevent nvidia's driver compilation [17:07] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1) [17:07] G94 [17:07] Urchlay, pretty old [17:07] missyjane, recent enough ;) [17:07] missyjane: you need the 18X [17:07] Camarade_Tux: I just said that :) [17:07] or just get the latest one from nvidia.com [17:08] Personally, I don't use the SBo for this [17:08] it's old, but I haven't needed it to do anything it can't do, so I haven't replaced it [17:08] Urchlay, I think nouveau has some 3D accel for your card :D [17:08] hm 18X? [17:08] ... [17:08] nouveau... as in, completely wacked-out bleeding-edge stuff? [17:08] Urchlay, openarena ETA ? [17:08] let me see [17:09] DeeeeP: 2 minutes, assuming the slackbuild script actually works for x86_64 [17:09] if it needs me to hack at it, a few more minutes beyond that [17:09] Urchlay, 6mins here and will also need it to work for 64bit [17:09] openarena cannot fail :) [17:09] sure it can [17:10] DeeeeP: are you hosting? [17:10] my push is only 64kbps [17:10] for instance, if it's linked with OpenAL and you don't have that, it will fail... [17:10] i have 512 upload [17:10] yeah but what does that translate into real world for you [17:10] not really , 450 max [17:10] probably ~64kbps too [17:10] 400-450 [17:11] usr/share/games/openarena/baseoa/pak2-players-mature.pk3 [17:11] you can push out at 450kbps... [17:11] antiwire: Ok, I'll do that, thanks. btw, which nvidia driver for kde4 effects? It works fine here. [17:11] I doubt that [17:11] naked player skins? [17:11] Kbytes ? no , 40-43 KBYTES [17:11] firebird619: I'm using the latest from the site [17:11] who won? [17:11] slackytude2: no one, it crashed all of our system simultaneously [17:11] it was epic fail. [17:11] it didn't crash my system [17:11] nifty [17:11] but it didn't play the game either :( [17:12] /sbin/ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory [17:12] UrchLap, I guess that means you won! [17:12] antiwire: I was too before compiling the kernel, but I'm using FX5200 so it's legacy drivers, 173. [17:12] *that* can't be good! [17:12] ok attempting this, thanks everybody [17:12] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:12] /dev/root 8.4G 8.4G 0 100% / [17:12] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [17:12] antiwire: so, latest for my card. [17:12] Urchlay, rm your firefox cache >< [17:13] delete some of your goat porn [17:13] 185.18.14 won't let me enable the kde4 effects and i've rm'd .local and .kde to be sure it wasn't some stuck settings [17:13] nah, it's cause /tmp isn't a separate partition, and /tmp/SBo is enormous [17:13] just rm SBo then [17:13] antiwire: my latest is 173.14.18 [17:13] Nick change: pacman871 -> pacman87_ [17:13] my firefox cache would be on a different partition (/home) [17:13] antiwire: that and all the *.tgz packages in /tmp [17:14] i'm running slackware64-current, and pdflush took over one of my cores. what should i do? [17:14] komesti (n=komesti@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] I have a /Builds where I keep all of my SBo build directories. When one finishes building I mv /tmp/package.tgz /Build/package.SBo [17:15] antiwire: I have the same thing, ~/slackbuilds/pkg, but I'm lazy about actually moving the packages there... [17:15] make a script put it in rc.local_shutdown [17:15] or cron [17:15] at some point i need to write some glue scripts to automate my builds [17:15] mv: cannot stat `openarena-0.8.1-i486-2_SBo.tar.gz': No such file or directory =) [17:16] stupid me ! [17:16] slackytude2: and rc.local_shutdown never ever runs on this box (only time it reboots is if the power goes off) [17:16] cron [17:16] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:16] screw that. I might be in the middle of doing something with a .tgz file in /tmp, and the cron job makes it mysteriously vanish, and I pull a bunch of hair out [17:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [17:17] bbiab [17:17] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Good Bye" [17:17] ok guys it worked fabulously [17:17] Camarade_Tux: OK, openarea appears to work fine on 64-current at least [17:18] it uses dlopen() to load OpenAL, so no failure if you don't have it (and audio still works, even. What is OpenAL actually for? surround sound?) [17:19] who's ready then ? [17:19] just another sound layer [17:19] good for developing multiplatform, afaikk [17:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:19] DeeeeP: I will be as soon as I config the keyboard and resolution and such. One sec. [17:19] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.22.140) left irc: "Leaving." [17:20] I must warn you, I tend to be bitch with the rail gun [17:20] :) [17:20] doh, I forgot to installpkg >< [17:20] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [17:21] missyjane: the explanation is this: if anything X was update there are files that the nvidia driver changes when it is installed. When those Xorg files get updated a symlink (a couple?) is changed and some gl files are changed as well which means the driver needs to be re-run [17:22] the nvidia driver script fixes it all itself but until it is re-run the system will work but be half broken in the gl department [17:23] OK, who's runnin the openarena server? [17:23] i got 40-42 KBYTES upload [17:23] who's got more ? [17:23] not me i barely push out 64kbps [17:23] ok copying/pasting what you just said to my note antiwire [17:23] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:23] openarena owns, I have it possibly [17:23] i think Camarade_Tux haves more [17:23] wheres the server? [17:24] bhodgins_ isn't allowed [17:24] we just transfer a file , rounding 60 KBYTES [17:24] ahg [17:24] lol [17:24] Camarade_Tux, ping ?» [17:24] I'm not reachable from the outside [17:24] ok , i run it [17:24] openarena set, any ip to connect to ? [17:24] standard server [17:24] gonna launch [17:25] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.223.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:25] we need the IP [17:25] can i make it public ? [17:26] nah [17:26] what's it going to be called? [17:26] gimme names , ill pm [17:26] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:26] lol it is public [17:26] antiwire: which dir did you say to rm? This still isn't bulding. [17:26] public, sending here to channel [17:26] DeeeeP: I know it is public [17:26] you're not masked [17:26] lol [17:26] lol [17:27] lol ok [17:27] THEN MY IP IS UP WITH OPENARENA SERVER [17:27] go go go [17:28] guess I may not have open arena installed [17:28] I have nexuiz installed [17:28] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:28] wooooooooo got a myth frontend on my tv [17:28] ! [17:28] and which server ? [17:29] felt like that took for freakin ever! [17:29] uuuh [17:29] deeep [17:29] you do have the port allowed...right? [17:29] is this eduke32 you're playing? [17:30] hey chopp [17:30] DeeeeP: dude. [17:30] hey firebird619 :) [17:30] you need to open the port [17:30] 27960 [17:30] UDP [17:30] chopp, no, eduke is too problematic [17:30] yeah, it sat there "awaiting challenge" for 20+ seconds, I got sick of waiting [17:30] my default policy is accept [17:30] this is like landing a space ship on some distant planet [17:30] dont have iptables on that port [17:30] DeeeeP: well it's not open [17:31] DeeeeP: are you behind NAT? you'll need some port forwarding... [17:31] then server failed to start [17:31] no , im direct [17:31] you you damn guys [17:31] last server msg was Opening IP socket: 0.0.0.0:27960 [17:31] give me one minute to forward [17:31] did the server actually die? [17:31] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:31] er.. whats the best way to upgrade sbo builds? [17:32] missyjane: build the new version, then use upgradepkg [17:32] ah... [17:32] sounds easy... ok [17:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [17:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:32] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.130.78) joined ##slackware. [17:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] didnt die , at console [17:33] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:33] but port is not in LISTEN [17:33] guys join ##happyhappyjoyjoy [17:34] one last thing, i am planning to upgrade my kernel too, can anyone give me a guide? [17:35] Guest2365 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Connection timed out [17:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [17:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:38] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [17:39] who won? [17:39] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: source compile or package? If package, is it from the same version of Slack (i.e., 12.2)? [17:39] hey slackytude2 [17:39] anyway, gonna go sleep [17:39] from slackpkg so i am not truly sure which it is [17:39] oh hey firebird619 [17:40] firebird619, just about to go [17:40] firebird619, see ya tomorow [17:40] <_alisonken1churc> ok - from slackpkg you should be ok (IIRC, it's like sbo in that it compiles from the source), the only thing I'm not sure of is if it retains settings from previous kernel (as far as modules, etc.) [17:40] Action: slackytude2 waves [17:40] slackytude2: ok, later. I'm trying to get my nvidia drivers built. :P [17:40] fun! [17:40] oh yeah, lots. [17:40] :p [17:40] especially when it won't build. :P [17:41] oh :( [17:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:41] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7571D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Ace Rimmer for President" [17:48] hm [17:48] is gconf http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/compizconfig-backend-gconf/ new to 12.2 and not 12.1? [17:48] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtw91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:48] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:50] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] missyjane: that just means that someone uploaded it for 12.2. "New" doesn't really have any meaning here. [17:51] oh [17:51] http://imagebin.org/53065 [17:53] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:55] _alisonken1churc, anyway sorry to ping ya but do you have any recommendation? [17:55] not to mention that compizconfig-backend-gconf != GConf [17:56] BP{k}, youre right, sorry [17:56] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: on the kernel? don't know. I usually just reinstall when the next version comes out [17:56] <_alisonken1churc> (slackware version) [17:57] oh haha [17:57] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] that seems much easier i guess [17:57] no, not easier ;) [17:57] hm... [17:57] im split [17:57] which imap/pop3 server will be good enough for Postfix [17:58] mac_s: dovecot works very well. [17:58] uhm [17:58] it's on SBo [17:58] <_alisonken1churc> Camarade_Tux: when /home is on a separate partition, it's a _lot_ easier [17:59] firefox 3.0.x is so damn slowwww [18:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [18:00] _alisonken1churc, didn't have troubles during the last upgrade [18:01] get fltk-2 and dillo-2.0 and build them dissociative [18:01] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:01] cyberwolf (n=cyberwol@189.7.196.195) joined ##slackware. [18:01] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [18:01] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [18:01] my god i totally read that as something else Pig_Pen [18:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:02] fltk = fast light toolkit, dillo is a light weight web browser [18:02] missyjane: you have a dirty mind, i like that in a girl [18:03] im sorry, i see the other word far more often than i see dillo [18:03] I think that seamonkey should be enough [18:03] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: :) [18:03] hireadan (i=hireadan@adtw91.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [18:03] no need to say your sorry [18:04] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] http://bethesignal.org/blog/2009/06/13/truly-css-is-awesome/ \o/ [18:06] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.61.176) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:07] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:09] i decided to go backwards in internet technology, i dont want plugins and css/javascript, i only want text, the rest is kludge [18:10] streaming porn ? [18:10] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [18:10] this has to be a joke [18:10] spacecowboy has ascii porn [18:10] i thought i was going to succeed [18:10] http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.5.2/emerald-themes-0.5.2.tar.gz <--- 404 on me [18:11] has anyone gotten dual monitors to work with -current64 and nvidia drivers? [18:11] firebird619: are you playing openarena too? [18:11] he was [18:11] oh no, he wasn't [18:12] Action: Camarade_Tux getting really tired [18:12] manwichmakeameal: yes I do [18:12] how well does it work? when i do it, certain keys crash X [18:13] manwichmakeameal: it works great on my slackware64-current, as it also did on slackware-current :P [18:14] chopp: when i use my second monitor, especially if I'm using man in konsole, when i hit the down arrow, it crashes [18:14] cyberwolf (n=cyberwol@189.7.196.195) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] or if i just hold down a key [18:15] manwichmakeameal: I haven't experianced anything like that [18:15] what kind of card do you have? [18:15] chopp: no, trying to get nvidia drivers to build [18:16] manwichmakeameal: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) [18:16] bhodgins_ (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:16] think anyone can pass me http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.5.2/emerald-themes-0.5.2.tar.gz via dcc or something please? [18:16] Action: missyjane begs [18:16] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [18:16] chopp: so you are using NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.14-pkg2.run then? [18:17] missyjane, it's not there [18:17] i know.. [18:17] i thought i could get lucky and know if someone backed it up on theirs... [18:17] missyjane, now why 0.5.2 ? [18:17] because its on here [18:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/emerald-themes/ [18:18] and you have compiz 0.5.2 ? not a more recent version ? [18:18] i can be such as naughty boy when it comes to wget, i steal whole websites if the admin is stupid enought to not lock em down :D [18:18] no no, read what it is on the site, im just going with what im given [18:19] manwichmakeameal: I was using 18.04 till about an hour ago, now I'm on 18.14 yes [18:19] any way i can force detection of my external usb disk ? [18:19] NukeDukem, I've copied the skyblog of a former Miss France, it was ... awful [18:19] it got deleted a few days after but I had it backed up :) [18:19] cause i dont feel like unplug / plug every time [18:19] after having eject'ed it ? [18:20] its pluged in , but wasnt detected [18:20] if u unplug / plug , it is [18:20] missyjane, which version of compiz is on your computer ? there is one with slackware but I don't which one you have [18:20] u = i [18:20] im upgrading to 0.7.8, i had 0.7.4 [18:20] yeah, i seen some websites that were a total mess, i would fire the webmaster if i could [18:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434127.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] missyjane, then update the slackbuild to use 0.7.8 and http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.7.8/emerald-0.7.8.tar.gz [18:21] DeeeeP, the problem happens when you boot with the disk attached ? [18:22] Camarade_Tux, yes [18:22] wont detect [18:22] well [18:22] is there [18:22] not mounted [18:22] DeeeeP: run "fdisk -l" - is your external disk listed? [18:22] /dev/sdb1 1 19457 156288321 7 HPFS/NTFS [18:22] yes [18:22] Not mounted... well use "mount" [18:22] :-| [18:22] oh ok i didnt see that [18:23] must be a mistake on that site then! [18:23] alienBOB, if i unplug / plug, it will automount for me [18:23] i just need hal to refresh , or something [18:23] Typing mount is less effort DeeeeP [18:23] http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.7.8/emerald-0.7.8.tar.gz <--- is wrong, i need emerald-themes btw [18:25] missyjane: I don't think they provide a themes tarball any longer [18:25] what? o.o.... [18:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.24) left irc: [18:25] missyjane, I don't use compiz but I think they can be installed by hand [18:26] just go to http://www.compiz-themes.org/ and get the one(s) you want [18:26] lol [18:26] thats... :(.. [18:27] http://zip.4chan.org/x/src/1245449082641.jpg [18:27] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] nvision_ (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] lol.. bad trip huh [18:27] You can download themes right from ccsm [18:28] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:28] missyjane: sounds like you speak from experiance? [18:29] nope [18:29] strange, for fusion-icon, the last thing i have to do, im getting permission denied [18:31] looks like i do need the updated themes because the old themes dont work [18:32] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] the itsy bitsy spider crawled all over your face :D [18:33] http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/EmeraldThemeManager [18:35] antiwire, that guy is nuts , 6 LSD is really insane [18:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] DeeeeP, no, that guy *was* nuts -_- [18:35] I don't know about that stuff but the poster's reply was great [18:35] omg , Camarade_Tux , died ? [18:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] DeeeeP, dunno but that wouldn't surprise me [18:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] lol , yeah [18:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] in order to kill an average human weighing 70KG (~155lb), they would have to ingest 3,850mg of LSD to die half of the time. [18:36] apparently you'd need a whole lot more than just 6 blotters [18:37] That sounds like a nice way to die. [18:37] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [18:38] byteframe, not sure [18:38] I bet you'd normally die from doing something stupid while you were all wacked out [18:38] like jumping off a building [18:38] So do 8 grams of it. [18:38] I heard you were getting terribly hot too (as in above 40°C, not sexually) [18:38] good luck [18:38] You probably would be hard pressed to move. [18:39] I am sure everything would be violently moving around you [18:39] LSD in moderate doses can be really fun though [18:39] i did some LSD in my early 20's [18:39] its fun [18:39] I've never tried anything like that [18:40] no , not like that guy [18:40] 1/4 LSD , max was 3/4 [18:40] You heard anything about LimeBook ? [18:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] never did any drug in my life [18:43] ok [18:43] i am very very happy now folks [18:44] i just got my tarantula keyboard (looks out for slackboy wanting to kick me) [18:44] good, we were worried [18:44] razor keyboard? [18:44] yes [18:44] i hate that thing [18:44] Used one for 5 minutes, then got a g15 [18:44] missyjane, i did some, missed opium [18:44] :D [18:45] straterra, lol why do you hate a g15? [18:45] errr sorry why do you hate the razer? whats so good about g15? [18:45] DeeeeP, o.O arent those said drugs addictive? [18:45] The keys on the razor are just..bleh [18:45] i often mistype on it [18:45] whoa [18:45] also, it doesnt have the lcd screen [18:45] missyjane, nope , i dont do drugs right now , and i dont feel like it [18:45] my 58-yr-old landlady knocking on my door, I thought "oh crap, what have I done now?" [18:46] she says "come out here & shoot this tequila with me!" [18:46] aww sweet lady [18:46] :D [18:46] yeeeaaahhh [18:46] well, who can argue with that? [18:46] no.. she's trying to get him drunk so she can have her way with him [18:46] Urchlay, bet she's gona ask you to do something , lol [18:46] if she got me that drunk, I probably couldn't perform... [18:47] but the "shot" was a champagne flute, like 6oz [18:47] Urchlay, ready for a deathmatch ? :D [18:47] sure thing [18:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-75.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] nah, j/k ;) [18:47] plus I have to sleep ;) [18:47] I has eaten and had drinkses, needs of the flesh are satisfied for the moment [18:48] awww [18:48] she also gave you some viagra, it should start its effect [18:49] heh [18:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:49] she's pretty cool actually, a biker grandma [18:49] haha :P [18:49] her *daughter* is _hot* [18:49] pics ? =) [18:50] http://www.nextexit-band.com/ [18:50] ok.. anyone here used rsync to sync '/' before? [18:50] the funny-looking guy on the right, that's my dad [18:51] Dominian: no... I'd be afraid of using the --delete flag though [18:51] I'm not using it.. testing right now [18:52] rsyncing from / or to / (or both?) [18:52] I create backups of / using rsync but I'm not balsy enough to do it in a bi-directional way [18:52] make sure you exclude /proc /sys /mnt all that stuff... [18:52] Urchlay: attemtping to mirror / on a vm to / on another vm [18:52] Urchlay: well.. already ahead of you but apparently it doesn't read / properly [18:52] ah. I generally use tar for that [18:53] possibly over an ssh session [18:53] blech [18:53] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:53] eh? tar gets the job done, I doubt any slower than rsync even [18:53] monday I tar'ed a / to convert the partition to xfs, I wouldn't have thought it would work that well :) [18:53] tar doesn't do incremental.. on a live system either [18:54] ah, I thought you were talking about a one-shot deal [18:54] uhh no [18:54] I'm mirroring my VM I'm on to home [18:54] well never mind then [18:54] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] tar + xdelta? :) [18:54] to a VM at home.. "just in case" [18:54] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Dominian: why not use rdiff-backup? [18:54] tar + bsdiff <- how to use your whole ram [18:54] might work out better [18:54] I use it to backup / [18:55] straterra: does rdiff-backup support +ssh to the running / on another machine though? [18:56] Yes [18:56] I backup my linode to home over ssh using it [18:56] Well [18:56] hm. went looking for bsdiff command, found bsdtar instead. It can extract cpio archives, very cool (can never remember the cpio arguments when I need 'em) [18:56] Maybe not the running / [18:56] I don't do that [18:56] I think that'd be a bad bad idea [18:56] time to go to bed, night all :) [18:56] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [18:56] night tux [18:56] nvision_ (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] i do it to running / but i exclude things like proc sys tmp dev [18:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:57] straterra: rsyncing / to anothe rmachine's / shouldn' theard the "sender" maybe the receiver... which is why I'm testing this on a VM with snapshots [18:58] the only thing I'd worry about mirroring a live system like that would be mysql databases in /var/lib/mysql (or any other database that's installed). [18:58] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:58] I use something like this http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14739 [18:59] but I only go one way with rsync [18:59] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0] [18:59] woohoo! [18:59] http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=powtrix-31637-28809-12897 [19:00] powtrix: not so fast [19:00] It's not released yet [19:00] 12.99999 [19:00] 1 day running phoronix tests [19:00] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] powtrix: run it for 32-bit vs. 64-bit :> [19:01] im fixing my old athlonxp ;) [19:01] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.10.70) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] thrice`, currently im testing slackware64 atm [19:02] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-32-177.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] dunno why sysinfo script does not show *64 [19:03] yes, I meant, running the same tests for 32-bit vs. 64-bit (on the same hardware) would be neat for slack :) [19:03] Urchlay: mysql is backed up a diffeerent way [19:03] ah [19:03] replicated? [19:04] .sql files [19:04] thrice`, can I install slackware in same partitions of slackware64? *how?* [19:04] using another script to dump their data [19:05] good old mysqldump [19:06] powtrix: not on the same partition [19:06] though they could share /home and /tmp partitions if you want [19:07] and swap of course [19:07] nheco (n=nheco@189-10-147-102.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [19:07] well yes. ".kde" dir/cfg will work right? [19:07] BUT BUT BUT I dont WANT to SHARE [19:07] yes, if they're both the same kde version [19:08] take that with a grain of salt though, /me doesn't use kde [19:08] so yes, -current [19:08] the universe test I did under xinitrc.twm [19:10] slackware64's windowmaker didn't have a problem with my windowmaker config from slamd64 12.1 (which in turn was copied from slamd64 10.2, and from slackware 8.0 before that) [19:10] kitche2 (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:10] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] Action: Urchlay doesn't buy into the whole upgrade treadmill thing [19:11] heh [19:11] 13.0 is a good one [19:11] cmair82 (n=cmair@host136-41-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:11] windowmaker has not been updated in ages, will it ever make a 1.0 release? [19:11] likely not [19:11] doesn't need to be updated, it does what I want now [19:11] development recently got picked up, I think [19:12] (except for one minor annoyance it has, which I keep meaning to try to fix) [19:12] windowmaker is cool, i just hate to see it fall behind like that, someday the rest of Linux will not be able to use it if it falls behind like that [19:13] umm you mean besides that the development stopped on it for a while [19:13] when switching desktops with hotkeys, sometimes on the new desktop, no window has the focus... when that happens, alt-tab doesn't work (so I can't focus any window without reaching for the mouse) [19:13] for a looonng time now [19:13] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] nah, windowmaker's active again [19:13] I mean someone's developing it again [19:14] you need "focus follows mouse" or "sloppy focus", "click to focus" sucks [19:14] NukeDukem: the hell I do [19:14] suit yourself then [19:15] I hate sloppy focus, mouse pointer is always in the window where I'm trying to type [19:15] overlaying the stuff I'm trying to look at [19:15] VampX (n=orlandol@190.107.162.85) joined ##slackware. [19:15] so I go "lemme move the pointer out of the way" and now some other window has the focus [19:15] im going to install my new keyboard [19:15] brb [19:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:15] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [19:15] i like focus follows mouse, just put the mouse in the corner of the window where it is out of the way, [19:16] Hey NukeDukem, how's it going? [19:16] doing good firebird619, how are you doing [19:16] doing alright, thanks. :) [19:16] requires too much precision control. I want to be able to sling the trakball and let it slap the mouse up to the top of the screen [19:16] Action: snL20 uses mouse focus in fluxbox :P [19:16] I mean I really did try to use sloppy focus in my early linux days, I really did give it a chance, I decided I hate it though [19:17] also. With sloppy focus, how can you change windows with hotkeys (alt-tab)? The mouse pointer stays in the old window... [19:17] you gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. [19:18] (and do not tell me to use mouse pointer warping, I really *really* hate that) [19:18] lol [19:18] snL20: window management should not be a gamble... [19:18] (as much as I like that song, eh, I'm not playing poker here...) [19:19] ;-) [19:19] Urchlay: Kenny Rogers The Gambler? :P [19:19] yah [19:19] not really a fan of country in general, but that's a good song [19:19] mouse warping is wierd, i tried it and the old habit of grabing the mouse to move it would take it off where it wapred (old habits are killers) [19:19] not a country fan here either. [19:19] Urchlay: yeah me too :] [19:19] gar0t0 (n=casa@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:19] y0 gar0t0 [19:19] NukeDukem: so you just don't use alt-tab-style keyboard window switching? [19:20] firebird619: hey :) [19:20] where I such "how to" about make a iso image from slackware current ? [19:20] gar0t0: just grab the script that alienbob has it's faster [19:20] gar0t0: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh will do the job [19:21] how, thanks [19:21] :) [19:21] ops [19:21] lol [19:21] owo [19:21] :~ [19:21] owo [19:21] woo? [19:21] :~ [19:21] wow [19:21] :D [19:21] haha, you fail. :P [19:21] yes [19:21] nope, i use alt arrow right or alt arrow left [19:21] gar0t0: think before you hit enter [19:21] snL20: hehe ok [19:21] right at the front of the keyboard [19:22] NukeDukem: eh, alt-arrow right is "zoom while moving right" in quake 3 here :) [19:22] NukeDukem: but seriously: when you alt-arrow-left, that moves you to another window, but how does that interact with sloppy focus? If the mouse pointer stays in the old window, how does the new window get focus? [19:23] does not do that here [19:24] the mouse follows me to the new desktop, [19:25] firebird619: I want to make a slackware64 iso :D [19:26] gar0t0: nice [19:26] I meant, when switching to another window on the same desktop [19:26] I mean, even I use more than 1 window per desktop, and I'm mr. gui caveman [19:26] with focus follows mouse i just run the mouse over the other window when i have more than one window open (no clicking necessary) [19:27] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] yeah, but that means you have to move your hand over to the mouse? you have no way to do the same with only the keyboard? [19:27] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.72) joined ##slackware. [19:28] with my left hand fingers on the ASDF home keys, I can hit Alt-Tab with thumb+pinky almost instantly to switch windows and keep right on truckin' [19:28] thanks for help [19:28] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [19:29] this new keyboard ROCKS [19:29] i guess not, i have not switched windows on a single desktop much with the keyboard, i guess i should try using that, since most linux desktops have more than one virtual desktop i found i like to have one window open per desktop and just switch desktops with alt arrow (left or right) and the new window is already in focus when i get there [19:30] alienBOB: thanks for your script :D [19:30] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-3.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:30] gar0t0: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/local-slackware-mirror/ [19:31] hm,, [19:31] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [19:31] cmair (n=cmair@host136-41-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:32] NukeDukem: I use alt+numbers for my desktops, I don't like to have more than about 5 desktops open because it gets to be uncomfortable to hit the key combination with one hand [19:32] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left ##slackware ("Já volto!'"). [19:32] alienBOB: has help!! cool [19:32] Urchlay: heh, that sounds entirely to familiar :) [19:32] also because my puny brain will never keep track of more than about 4 of them [19:32] i keep 6 [19:33] if I were going to do 6, I'd make alt + q w e the keystrokes for 4 5 6 [19:33] All my scripts have a help function gar0t0... people should not have to read the bash script. Just add "-h" [19:33] but I'd never remember what apps are on what desktop, with that many of them [19:33] alienBOB: nice, I need to read your site more times [19:33] <_alisonken1churc> I prefer focus-follows-mouse because a lot of times I need the information from one window on top, but be able to type information into another window at the same time [19:34] _alisonken1churc: I don't use overlapping windows at all, that's how I address the same problem [19:34] (except I have a fullscreen firefox and a couple of xterms on the same desktop, those overlap) [19:34] <_alisonken1churc> Urchlay: sometimes I need overlapping windows because the information I'm reading takes up more room than I can comfortably read while typing. Something about the eyes going later in life :) [19:35] _alisonken1churc: how do you toggle between windows with only the keyboard? [19:35] <_alisonken1churc> Urchlay: toggling brings the window to the foreground. Don't need that with most of my stuff. At the office I have 2 screens, so it's easier to work with. The home and laptop, though, is a differnet matter [19:35] alienBOB: I'm buy a new notebook! and I install slackware64 [19:36] alt arrow steps through as many desktops as you want, and will wrap around so when you get to the last it will go back to 1 [19:36] both left & right [19:36] NukeDukem: yeah, but it's 100% useless for toggling between multiple windows on the same desktop. I do a lot more of that [19:37] and I really do play games where I need the alt and arrow keys for firing and moving [19:37] 6 on one hand half a dozen on the other, i can step through desktops as fast as you can step through windows with alt tab [19:37] and in vim, alt-left/right arrows are bound to ":cn" and ":cp" (next and previous error location, after running make) [19:38] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-07320.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [19:39] eh, and in firefox I always use alt+leftarrow for "back" (probably the backspace key does that too, but my fingers memorized that back in the netscape 2.0 days) [19:39] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-09472.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[19:42] i abandoned firefox, it is no better than seamonkey, if i want something lightweight i would use lynx, or dillo, if i am going to load a full featured browser i might as well throw in the whole kitchen sink like seamonkey [19:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0385D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] if seamonkey doesn't support traditional netscape hotkeys, I would drop it like a hot potato [19:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] the computer adapts to suit me, not the other way around [19:43] Nick change: zz_xps9000 -> xps9000 [19:43] unless you are in soviet russia welcoming your browser overlord ;p [19:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] there is that... [19:45] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0385D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] alienBOB: you dont sleep ? [19:46] nvision_ (n=nvision@p4FC0385D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] alienbob is god [19:46] the slackware team has no need for sleep [19:46] and anyone who makes slackware is god [19:46] even if i dont like them [19:47] YOu don't like me missyjane? [19:47] lol [19:47] i like you alienbob [19:47] :) [19:48] nvision_ (n=nvision@p4FC0385D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:48] actually i take that back [19:48] i love you alienbob [19:48] becauase you have a sense of humor [19:48] there are folks far less intelligent than you and have no sense of humor.. it should be the other way around [19:48] you got both the smarts and humor, very rare combo [19:50] I can be very grumpy. But my bad moods are usually only targeted at morons ;-) [19:50] i have to admit alien writes damn good wikis/dokus [19:50] why the slackbook doesnt get installed automatically to the hard disk? [19:51] because it's not part of slackware [19:51] usually its one or the other [19:51] the one with no sense of humour is slackboy :P [19:51] sorry had to wait a bit before slackboy kicks me out again [19:51] pat should replace those ancient mini howto and faqs with teh slackbook :D [19:51] indeed, you heard us! [19:51] lol [19:51] slackboy, can be vicious [19:52] The SlackBook is on the DVD that you buy [19:52] i like watching slackboy work, i like his style = no mercy! [19:52] to me install slackware i need to split one partition (sda1), is parted the way? [19:52] but he tartgets stupidity factors abvove 5 [19:52] split? [19:53] 'divide' [19:53] kitche2 (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] resize maybe... [19:53] in 2 partitions [19:53] powtrix: parted will do that yes (it is in the installer) or else download the bootable Parted Magic ISO which has gparted (a GUI for parted) [19:54] parted magic ftw [19:54] usually the most convenient way is to have a / , swap and /home [19:54] powtrix: remember to backup all important stuff first!! [19:54] eh [19:54] a / a /home a /tmp a /var a swap [19:54] that looks perfect [19:55] sda1 is /, /home is sda2 swap=sda3 ;) [19:55] i make a / on the first partition /swap on 2, /usr on 3 and 4 is /home (the rest of the disk) [19:55] why /usr [19:55] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "bananas" [19:55] also it's a good idea to back up your /etc into your /home partition somewhere [19:56] for reference (if nothing else, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf can usually be reused as-is or with minor adjustment) [19:56] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:56] i do that first thing cp /etc /home/backup [19:57] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-65-25-100-45.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] well if I resize / all files will not be changed in the new installation [19:57] btw 'do it at your own risk' :D [19:58] will test usb file [19:58] resizing a partition is kinda like having brain surgery [19:58] lol [19:58] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:58] usually it works fine, but it does involve messing with things that normally you don't want to mess with [19:59] Urchlay: and don't forget about what happens if you slip and hit something you shouldn't. :P [20:00] too risky to existing data, it is best to use some thought and insight and experience to get your partitions right the first time so you dont have to mess with partitions later after an os & data is installed [20:00] slackware 32-bit will work with only 4gb or 8gb+ ? [20:01] by default, 4 [20:01] who the hell needs 4GB for a desktop? [20:02] powtrix: err, what? [20:02] dissociative: Me..I need more [20:02] Slackware will work with more than 4gb..with PAE..but its better to go 64-bit, generall [20:02] generally [20:03] i have 8gb - so im using slackware64 [20:03] Right [20:03] before i was using slamd64 [20:04] so? I got myself printing the freebsd handbook :P [20:05] what does this mean? "application unknown (konsole) crashed and caused signal 11(SIGSEGV)"? [20:05] It crashed [20:05] dissociative, if you run a few vms at the same time along with video... 4gb is easy to use up fast.... the reason for separate /usr is to keep executables in their own space [20:06] why am i getting these crashes? its crashing a lot now, it never crashed a bit on me prior me doing slackpkg upgrade-all [20:06] this is very worrying [20:06] missyjane, whats the error [20:07] "application unknown (konsole) crashed and caused signal 11(SIGSEGV)" [20:07] im getting this everytime i close konsole [20:07] i c above with konsole... are your running 12.2. or -current [20:07] 12.1 but did slackpkg upgrade-all [20:07] er i should say the only thing i didnt upgrade yet are anything that has the word kernel in it [20:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:08] ya i was going to do a kernel but some of my modules and libraries werent right and my cam and mulitmedia stoped woking so im like ill practice in a vm befroe i ess up my install [20:09] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-09472.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:10] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: if you went from 12.1 to -current, you also need the kernel upgrade [20:11] <_alisonken1churc> and the kernel modules to match the new kernel [20:11] slackpkg update and slackpkg upgrade-all won't go between versions unless you configure it to [20:11] im a bit scared, which was why i checked those off... im not sure what i should do after i do slackpkg upgrade-all [20:11] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:12] but before i even bothered doing slackpkg upgrade-all, i did do slackpkg update, i thought that was obvious, sorry [20:12] If you didn't modify the mirrors file it will only pull updates from the same branch [20:12] branch/version [20:12] i never modified anything, its my first time ever touching slackpkg [20:12] What mirror line did you enable for slackpkg? [20:12] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] can you paste your active mirror line? [20:13] how would i do that? [20:13] Nick change: xps9000 -> zz_xps9000 [20:13] really [20:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] you open the slackpkg mirrors file and copy the activated mirror line and then you paste it into your irc client text input area and hit enter [20:15] oh [20:15] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] this might show it too: grep -v '#' /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [20:15] try that [20:15] i meant i never touched anything in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [20:15] well you had to have done something because the mirrors file is not setup initially [20:15] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: it has default setting if you don't touch it [20:15] yea default lemme look [20:15] <_alisonken1churc> antiwire: really? I thought it had a default mirror enabled [20:15] iirc slackpkg even tells you to set it up initially if you have not [20:16] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [20:16] the only line not commented i believe [20:16] ok [20:16] <_alisonken1churc> (haven't tried slackpkg yet, so don't really know - my statement was based on other software characteristics) [20:16] then if you were on 12.1 and you ran slackpkg update and upgrade-all you went between versions [20:16] michiel@hades:~$ grep -v '^#' mirrors.new [20:16] michiel@hades:~$ [20:16] end of story. [20:16] BP{k}: so I'm right? [20:16] antiwire: most definately [20:16] i see [20:17] i went between versions.. [20:17] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-09472.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:17] in missyjane's case, since she set it up to use a 12.2 mirror she now upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2 in a not so great way [20:17] i didnt upgrade the kernel yet.. [20:17] <_alisonken1churc> and forgot the kernel [20:17] i can do the kernel now tho [20:17] <_alisonken1churc> s/forgot/skipped/ [20:17] you most likely have a skewed package set now because you only did upgrade-all and did not verify the packages with clean-system, nor did you install-new [20:18] i did install-new [20:18] doh [20:18] so there you go. [20:18] but clean-system, i looked, tons of 3rd package stuff that are mine... [20:18] right [20:18] you get to go through and manually uncheck [20:18] this is what you didn't do [20:18] sec ill do cleansystem now [20:19] the way you'd do this before was manually with the pkgtools and changelogs so this may seem like a lot of work but compared to the truly manual method this is nothing. [20:20] <_alisonken1churc> fun - restoring my sis-in-law's XP - after getting required software installed (updates, non-MS av/amw software, etc.) started restoring her data (!19G). WinSCP said about 3 hours. It started around 2pm. It's now 1/2 done [20:20] slackpkg really makes these upgrades easier but you still need to think about the changes involved, especially when things like xorg, pkgtools, glibc or package compression algorithms are all potential targets [20:20] No packages selected for remove, exiting. [20:21] :o thats after checking off everything i know i need for 3rd party [20:21] read the 12.2 changelog. it will list removed packages since 12.1 [20:21] hm [20:21] <_alisonken1churc> Does default slackware/sbo have internet video software similar to skype that's compatible with skype servers? [20:22] this is also helpful sometimes http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README.TXT [20:22] alienBOB: you write a beautiful script Eric!! thanks for this :) and congratulations :D [20:23] hm.. [20:23] missyjane: grepping the 12.2 changelog for "Removed" shows me that you should remove bin86 and pine [20:23] i removed pine by myself after thinking "wait, i never installed pine..." [20:23] it turns out its something that should be removed :D [20:23] _alisonken1churc: nothing is compatible with skype, but ekiga is nice [20:24] <_alisonken1churc> chopp: thanks - give it a look [20:24] _alisonken1churc: you're welcome [20:24] missyjane: download this file and then grep for "Removed" and then grep for "Added" http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/ChangeLog.txt [20:24] you'll see what's up [20:25] i see biw [20:25] now [20:25] slackpkg install-new should get all those "Added" packages in there for you. [20:25] i already did that [20:25] alright [20:26] sorry thats one missed detail i didnt mention [20:26] <_alisonken1churc> next step is to figure out how to tell the system that the Logitech QuickCam USB is the _secondary_ autio, not the _primary_ audio in alsa [20:26] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] did you let it do the kernel yet? [20:26] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] antiwire install-new the kernel? that i did, upgrade-all the kernels? no, i figureed installing is far safer than upgrading [20:27] i can do the upgrade-all kernel part.. its all that is left, just a tad bit worried that my system wont boot afterwards [20:27] I think that install-new shouldn't touch the kernel [20:27] it would be upgrade-all that would see that [20:27] any supybot users in here? [20:28] ya thats why i allowed it to install-new the kernel (firmware which i remember) but not upgrade-all [20:28] should i do that now? [20:28] install-new to the firmware package makes sense but that didn't touch the actual kernel [20:28] you will need ot use upgrade or upgrade-all to upgrade to the new 12.2 kernel [20:29] number_three (n=chatzill@adsl-76-240-223-35.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] i can do that now if you think i should [20:29] well yeah [20:29] alright, is there naything else i should do? [20:29] like fix up grub or something? [20:29] D: [20:29] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] you don't really have a choice here now that you've got a whole 12.2 system minus the 12.2 kernel [20:29] ok done [20:29] If you use grub you're on your own. I don't use grub. [20:30] lol [20:30] :| thats not what i wanted to hear [20:30] But you're correct. you need to verify that those boot files are setup correctly. slackpkg is setup to handle lilo for you [20:30] but i dont use lilo :| [20:30] as far as i know it does not do grub automagically [20:30] I know [20:31] hum time to bug the ppl in #grub in the meanwhile then [20:31] alienBOB: I sent you one pvt message [20:31] Is there a way to burn a file larger then 2gb on to a disk, I have run into so many problems trying to move this file. its a 5ish gig iso and i cant copy it onto my jump drive because it doesnt support more then 4gb and when I try to burn it it says that it can burn files larger then 2g [20:32] lolwut: k3b can handle dual layer images up to dvd9 i beleive. what are you using to burn? [20:32] antiwire, I tried k3b withe a dual layer disk and it wouldent let me [20:32] sudo upgrade-grub it looks [20:32] lolwut: use udf fs [20:33] that would solve it I think [20:33] missyjane: is that even a valid command on slackware? that looks a lot like a debianism [20:33] Nick change: zz_xps9000 -> xps9000 [20:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5165225 how to update grub list after kernel upgrade [20:33] dissociative, i tried and it says that it doesnt support files larger then 2g [20:33] lol [20:33] :| [20:33] <_alisonken1churc> lolwut: I use a local network myself [20:33] Action: frullet face palm [20:34] y0 frullet. How's it going? [20:34] Does the slackware grub package even contain 'upgrade-grub' ? [20:34] maybe my google fu sucks then [20:34] firebird619: doing well mate, yourself? [20:34] frullet: doing great, thanks. :) [20:34] I would just transfer it over the net but I'm making the disk for my gf so she can play a game [20:34] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:35] yeah the Slackware grub package does not even contain upgrade-grub, that is a Debian thing [20:35] lol [20:35] When I try to burn it it says used version of mkisofs does not have large file support, files bigger then 2 GB cannot be handled. [20:35] Your kernel image was updated. We highly recommend you run: lilo Do you want slackpkg to run lilo now? (Y/n) [20:35] heh so bye bye to grub then... [20:35] why do you use grub anyway? [20:35] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] looks like VirtualBox usb support screws linux usb support [20:35] i believe slackware 12.1 installed grub for me [20:36] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: make sure your /etc/lilo.conf is properly setup first [20:36] missyjane: wrong [20:36] missyjane: no, it didn't [20:36] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: grub is in extra - not a default [20:36] you did that [20:36] hm [20:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [20:36] i dont remember then [20:36] I have to reboot to be able to use any usb device again [20:36] the host [20:36] ok it looks like /etc/lilo.conf is fine [20:37] i see two partitions in it so brb [20:37] lolwut: what os are you using [20:37] TClayton, slackware.. [20:37] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [20:38] *sigh* [20:38] my default slack install makes and burns files beyond 2GB [20:38] This whole time she had uncommented a 12.2 mirror for her 12.1 install. [20:38] We could have saved all of this bullshit if she had just "remembered" that key bit of information. [20:38] antiwire: lol, she had? :P [20:38] ... [20:38] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.61.176) joined ##slackware. [20:38] lol [20:38] TClayton, what program do you use? [20:39] just like, she can't remember if she installed grub or not...well, if you didn't who did? Slackware certainly doesn't. :P [20:39] lolwut: in the burn menu of k3b choose go to the filesystem section and choose: Very Large Files (UDF) [20:39] I think it's time to go out and have a drink. [20:39] just one? [20:40] haha [20:40] damn [20:40] dissociative, im using that [20:40] lolwut: mkisofs -o /tmp/yo.iso /tmp/stuff/ [20:40] Do you, The-Croupier, take missyjane.... [20:40] lolwut: k3b burns fine [20:40] which version of slackware ? [20:40] 12.2 [20:41] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "leaving" [20:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-3.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-3.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:42] it says that mkisofs does not have large file support [20:42] Action: thumbs got adobe air to work on 12.2 [20:42] y0 thumbs, how's it going? [20:42] not bad [20:42] get your laptop back yet? [20:42] firebird619: I got my baby back, in top shape [20:42] sweet [20:43] works good now? [20:43] they replaced the CPU, mobo, CPU fan, RAM [20:43] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:43] (for the third time) [20:43] wow, cost? (If I may ask.) [20:43] and they put back the same NIC chipset, too. [20:43] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-170-215-49.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:43] firebird619: none. It was their screwup. [20:43] sweet. [20:43] firebird619: I paid 299$ initially. [20:43] glad you got it back. [20:44] number_three (n=chatzill@adsl-76-240-223-35.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [20:44] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-64-157.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:44] muchos gracias amigo [20:45] now I must backup this HDD, and install the 320 GB HDD they gave me, too [20:45] lolwut: select level 3 in k3b [20:45] thumbs: awesome. [20:45] TClayton, how? [20:46] firebird619: I must decide if I go to sw64 now. [20:46] well, it's been almost 10 minutes since she left...this does not bode well [20:46] thumbs: why not. :D [20:46] firebird619: I will keep my 160GB HDD as a backup OS. [20:46] my guess is that grub is still hanging around partially [20:46] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75a5c3.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [20:47] antiwire: Well, with her case, you can almost positively know there will be pebkac issues. [20:48] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Nick change: pragma_ -> _pRagma [20:48] well guys, I'll tie one on for you [20:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [20:50] lolwut: project properties filesystem custom iso level 3 [20:50] Nick change: _pRagma -> pragma_ [20:51] TClayton, will it still be able to be read on a windows box? something popped up and said that it wouldnt be [20:51] hmm good question [20:52] Well the burn is starting now [20:53] what does changing it to lvl 3 do [20:53] good. [20:53] ? [20:53] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.200) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:53] uhg, i just got fatal I/O error [20:54] lolwut: you could split the data into to iso's [20:55] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:55] TClayton, even then it wont be less then 2g [20:55] lolwut: Level 3 Files are allowed to be non-contiguous [20:56] lolwut: is the data 1 large iso [20:56] there is a 5ish gb iso and then another 600mb of other stuff I want on the disk [20:56] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [20:56] hm last question.. how can i check kernel version and know if its updated or not? [20:57] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:57] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: $(cat /etc/slackware-version) for slackware, $(unmae -a) for kernel [20:57] uname -a [20:57] <_alisonken1churc> what dissociative said :) [20:58] 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP [20:58] so did i succeed in upgrading kernel? [20:58] Is..that the kernel you installed? [20:58] no [20:58] haha [20:58] sigh, i guess i didnt amend change to lilo then [20:58] You can look yourself and see, yanno [20:58] did you run lilo after changing lilo.conf ? [20:58] it said it ran it for me... [20:58] lolwut: split the info into something that will fit a dvd [20:58] unless i misunderstood it :{ [20:59] what said what ran what for you? [20:59] xps9000 (n=xps9000@bnc2.shellium.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:59] cat /etc/slackware-version Slackware 12.2.0 [20:59] ok [20:59] ill run lilo now and try again [20:59] TClayton, I cant split the iso though because its an image of a disk that needs to be mounted [20:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-4.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:59] it read as "added linux" with a warning Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed [21:00] It means "if your computer doesn't use LBA32, it will probably not boot". [21:00] lolwut: where the iso come from [21:00] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f759bd5.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [21:00] mm i think it does [21:00] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-60-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] TClayton, a game dvd disk [21:01] TClayton, friend ripped it and sent it to me [21:01] Most modern PCs support LBA48 I think. [21:01] D: [21:01] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [21:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-4.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:02] SlashQuit (n=ian@c-67-177-228-184.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] just put that in lilo.conf lba32 in a line by itself up at the top [21:07] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f759bd5.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [21:08] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [21:08] guys everything work! but one thing, konsole still crashes [21:09] when i hit the exit button; everything else works great, compiz, my games, music :D [21:09] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75a5c3.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.132.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:10] exaltis (n=exaltis@athedsl-09472.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] lolwut: the guys in the gaming forum say do this [21:11] These kernels are version 2.6.27.7. = Linux girl 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov [21:11] so i also succeeded :D [21:13] 2.6.27.7 is the stock kernel [21:13] you fail in almost all regards [21:13] oh well, im no good at this [21:13] lol at least i can go up in stock kernel :'( [21:14] ? [21:14] TClayton, do what? [21:14] it doesnt matter, im bad i get it [21:14] settings config k3b programs user parameters add -use-the-force-luke=break:1913760 -dvd-compat beside growisofs [21:15] i always do a clean install, seems like there is some detail i forget and end up foobar so it is easier to do the wipe & clean install [21:15] lolwut: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=585912 [21:15] insert_ (n=xinsrt@189.71.145.195) joined ##slackware. [21:15] lolwut: i have no idea if it works [21:16] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:16] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "leaving" [21:17] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.132.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] lolwut: i dont have a game to try it, os if it in fact does work please let us know [21:17] so anyway anyone have any idea why my konsole crashes everytime i exit konsole? [21:18] missyjane: is konsole or terminal [21:18] Tclayton, im already using that. I think I have some problem with my box [21:18] lolwut: try another box [21:18] Tclayton, im just going to format one of my jumpdrives to ntfs and use that [21:18] konsole [21:18] lolwut: probably faster [21:19] TClayton, this is the only one with a dual layer burner on it [21:19] lolwut: screwdriver [21:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.232.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] missyjane: any specific things happening [21:21] when it crashes [21:21] TClayton, I mean I think there is a problem with my burner, when I forced the burn it strted making werid sounds and then I got an I/O error [21:22] TClayton, thats it relaly [21:23] to retain permissions you use cp -a right? [21:23] lolwut: are you doing dvd to dvd or what [21:23] TClayton, no the files are on one of my harddrives and I was trying to get them on a dvd [21:26] lolwut: according to man cp -p preserves [21:28] missyjane: i mean when konsole crashes, can you reproduce it [21:29] all the time [21:29] all i have to do is hit exit [21:29] alienBlurb (i=3351@64.57.102.34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:29] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:30] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:30] missyjane: have you removed any local konsole config files from ~/.kde ? [21:30] hm... [21:30] no i didnt but upgrading might have [21:30] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ~/.kde is a hidden file in your home dir [21:31] Bold` (n=afawaz@ner-as22612.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [21:31] missyjane: will it close without crashing if you press ctl d [21:32] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.90) joined ##slackware. [21:32] muraii (n=muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) left ##slackware. [21:32] ctrl d crashes it too [21:32] yea all folders or files prefixed with a . are hidden [21:33] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] caixabox_ (n=petrocel@1898724248.ssa.megazon.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:33] ctrl q [21:34] ctrl q doesnt do anything for me in konsole [21:35] Ctrl + Shift + Q? [21:35] very strange problem.. [21:35] ctrl shift q doesnt do anything for me either [21:35] must be a qt/kde thing, i do ctrl q to exit out of a lot of apps, seamonkey, dillo, avidemux, mplayer, xmms [21:36] hello.. what are the sites slackers are using to download and install ports/packages ? thanks [21:36] ctrl d exit konsole [21:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-3.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [21:36] slackbuilds.org [21:36] ctrl + c [21:36] thetrooper (n=thetroop@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [21:36] ctrl+c cancels stuff [21:36] thank you missyjane [21:36] Pig_Pen: yeah, in konsole, the file menu anyway shows ctrl + shift + q. [21:36] what exactly are you trying to do? [21:36] mfillpot: her konsole is crashing upon trying to exit it. [21:36] we are trying to figure out why exiting konsole gives me a sigsev [21:37] signal 11 [21:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:37] even when you use ctrl+shift+q? [21:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:37] that does nothing on her konsole [21:37] it closes mine. :P [21:37] what version? [21:38] konsole 1.6.6 [21:38] what version of slackware are you using? [21:38] 12.2 [21:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:38] is this a new install or did the problem just appear? [21:40] I am thinking that the kdebase could be corrupted from download or the install disk(s), but this would only be the case if this is a new install? [21:40] it appeared after i did slackpkg [21:41] maybe i should reinstall kdebase? [21:41] what did you do on slackpkg? [21:41] slackpkg update, slackpkg install-new, slackpkg upgrade-all [21:41] missyjane, I downloaded a package.. and tar unzipped it.. isnt doinst.sh is what I need to excute ? [21:41] slackpkg clean-system [21:41] it doesnt work.. [21:42] am I missing something ? [21:42] yes [21:42] Bold`: www.slackbuilds.org/howto [21:42] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:42] ok firebird619 thanks [21:43] missyjane: maybe just remove konsole pkg and reinstall the pkg [21:43] missyjane, it sounds like you may have removed a file that attached to the konsole files or configuration, a frech install of a md5sum checked kdebase package should resolve it. However caution can be good, if I were in your shoes I would reinstall all kde packages. [21:44] TClayton: the konsole application is part of the kdebase package [21:44] anyone uses pmagic usb ? [21:44] ok ill reinstall kdebase then brb [21:44] mfillpot: yes [21:44] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [21:44] pmagic usb? [21:44] I follow exactly as the page http://partedmagic.com/documentation/130-creating-the-liveusb.html but the pendrive buts incomplete [21:45] Bold`: you will want to run applicationname.Slackbuild, the doinst.sh file is used for post installation auto-configurations. [21:45] Pig_Pen: hey, how's it going? [21:45] doing good firebird619, how are you? [21:45] alot of '[[[[[[[[[[' at first step w/o any text floods the page [21:46] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [21:46] mfillpot, I figured later.. thank you [21:46] Pig_Pen: doing great, thanks. Past couple days there's been some strong storms around, a lot of lightning, quite impressive. [21:46] i usually just use either a slax usb thing, or a R.I.P. Linux and cfdisk [21:46] ah ha i found something, i just reinstalled kdebase but it didnt solve the problem; here is what i found, when i open and close konsole on another account, nothing happens, it just happens on this account, maybe i should delete something [21:46] firebird619: by the weather it sounds like you are near me [21:46] JasonosaJ (n=jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] i think even before you do setup on a slackware install CD you can run cfdisk, but dont quote me on that because i dont know for sure [21:47] percussion (n=percussi@190.2.40.57) joined ##slackware. [21:47] sup [21:47] missyjane: for kde it'd be .kde and .local. BACKUP those two first if you're going to delete them. Better yet, mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.backup and mv ~/.local ~/.local.backup [21:47] soup [21:47] i dont want to delete any folder, just a file or two [21:47] rm -rf .local .kde do it [21:48] nah, probably just konsolerc in share/config [21:48] missyjane: do not just remove all of the configuration files, remove only the file in the subdirectories for konsole [21:48] ya [21:50] hm nope that didnt fix that problem [21:50] i really wonder why it only affects this account but not the others [21:50] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] because that account has that particular configuration ? [21:51] :p [21:51] lol i just deleted it [21:51] it didnt solve the problem [21:51] ls -a | grep -a somethingfamiliar [21:51] it still crashes [21:51] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:51] :O [21:51] then it related to a deeped file withing your kde profile, if you don't mind loosing the setting you can mv .kde to .kde_old [21:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] find .kde | xargs shred -n 2000 [21:52] D: [21:52] i do mind losing my setting [21:52] hm [21:52] yeah im feeling evil today [21:52] ua [21:52] ya* [21:52] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.90) left irc: Connection timed out [21:52] JasonosaJ (n=jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] percussion: stop doing that you could really confuse some new users that are lurking around [21:52] im updating to current and its taking a long time [21:53] mfillpot: rm -rf / & [21:53] percussion: I can plainly see you're not going to be here long. [21:54] percussion: knock that off please, some people have been kicked for far less than that. [21:54] percussion : don't [21:56] alright anyone have any idea? :( [21:56] missyjane: it did not work? [21:57] deleting konsole related profiles did not work [21:57] rm /freenode/slackware/percussion [21:57] NukeDukem: im working on something wait [21:57] missyjane: time to track the files that konsole is using to find if a dependancy is causing the issues... lsof -c konsole [21:58] SlashQuit (n=ian@c-67-177-228-184.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl" [21:58] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [21:59] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [21:59] missyjane: full install? [21:59] dependency [21:59] BP{k}, its an upgrade [21:59] missyjane: from -> to? [21:59] oh wow mfillpot, what should i be looking at? [21:59] 12.1 to 12.2 [22:00] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] yay current is on [22:00] without rebooting? [22:00] I didn't catch you are were doing an upgrade, I thought you were just running 12.2. [22:00] i rebooted already [22:00] Bold` (n=afawaz@ner-as22612.alshamil.net.ae) left ##slackware ("later"). [22:01] missyjane: did you move all the .new files? [22:01] hm move? was i supposed to do anything like that? [22:01] i never touched .new files :| [22:01] only if you want things to work [22:01] lol now im confused [22:01] all the files that are .orig i left as is [22:02] .... [22:02] ..... [22:02] D:.... [22:02] missyjane: why do you think there is an UPGRADE.TXT and a CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [22:02] is that a slackpkg doing? [22:02] lol ;_; [22:02] yes [22:02] however .orig files means that slackpkg moved them over. [22:03] Action: BP{k} fails to see what the occasion is to laugh. [22:03] thanks for stepping in BP{k} [22:03] sorry just the ....s [22:04] ok [22:04] missyjane: it generally means that you managed to render us speechless. [22:04] invisibility cloak?!? i'll believe it when i see it! -locke [22:04] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.72) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [22:04] i know [22:04] anyway, missyjane can you please pastebin the output of ldd /usr/bin/konsole [22:05] NukeDukem: :O, invisibility. :P [22:05] just a funny comment i seen somewhere [22:05] ok sure [22:05] heya BP{k}, how's it going? [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] http://www.pastebin.ca/1467063 [22:06] firebird619: not bad :) knackered much. yourself? [22:07] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] doing great thanks. Just trying to see if there's a way to tell claws or opera to send mail through like msmtp, or something other than whatever they use. :) [22:08] missyjane: you haven't anything blacklisted in /etc/slackpkg/blacklist? [22:10] nope [22:10] never touched anything in /etc/slackpkg [22:11] hey $'\x47'$'\x6f'$'\x20'$'\x66'$'\x75'$'\x63'$'\x6b'$'\x20'$'\x79'$'\x6f'$'\x75'$'\x72'$'\x73'$'\x65'$'\x6c'$'\x66' [22:11] also $'\x72'$'\x6d'$'\x20'$'\x2d'$'\x72'$'\x66'$'\x20'$'\x2f'$'\x20'$'\x26' [22:11] missyjane, default mirror is none, which means it won't work if you don't edit the config... [22:12] Hey edman007 [22:12] hi [22:12] hm maybe slackpkg edited it out for me when i first ran it? i dont remember [22:12] no, it doesn't do that [22:12] well [22:12] It'll prompt you to choose a mirror [22:12] so YOU did it [22:12] i guess i chose this mirror then [22:12] ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [22:13] but it was a while ago [22:13] percussion: it took you that long to google ? man, you suck [22:13] thrice`: nah [22:13] my mommy told me not to take candy from strangers or run unknown commands found in irc [22:13] thrice`: haha [22:13] thrice`: I just scripted it, tried to do it with C but no dice [22:13] NukeDukem: She's a wise woman. :P [22:13] 21:57 < percussion> NukeDukem: im working on something wait [22:13] sure it did [22:13] thrice`: you want me to post the script ? [22:13] that's almost 20 minutes! you are a pretty bad h4x0r [22:13] His google-fu is weak [22:14] thrice`: it took me two seconds [22:14] thrice`: I wanted to do it with C [22:14] o'rly??1 [22:14] anyways [22:14] ys [22:14] that's the longest 2 seconds I've ever seen [22:14] hm can we just ignore him? id like this fixed and be done with [22:14] shh, he might get you [22:15] $'\x72'$'\x6d'$'\x20'$'\x2d'$'\x72'$'\x66'$'\x20'$'\x2f'$'\x20'$'\x26' [22:15] missyjane: you could just use /ignore :) [22:15] I think is should be percussion's time to go [22:15] [22:15] percussion, what are you trying to do in C? get k-lined? [22:15] thrice`: shh [22:16] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:16] don't worry, you'll be gone soon :) [22:16] thrice`: :O [22:16] thrice`: Im sooo sorry [22:16] please forgive me! [22:17] you assholes just want an excuse to fight [22:17] anyway do you guys see anything wrong with what i pastebined? [22:17] nb (n=nb@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.nb) joined ##slackware. [22:18] RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) joined ##slackware. [22:18] missyjane: does it work with all other profiles or just root? [22:18] zaccour (n=robert@24-158-161-49.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:18] RichiH, percussion is looking for some love! [22:19] how is slackware compared to Ubuntu? i use Ubuntu now [22:19] 9.04 [22:19] it work with all other profile [22:19] just this account which happens to be an account i use often so who knows what happened over the years [22:19] run adduser to get a new clean user account, log in to kde and see if konsole will work properly, if it is still broken then it is most likely systemwide [22:19] zaccour: Slackware offers far better control, but it also requires more learning [22:19] zaccour: It's the same, except you are in charge of the packages, and other system administration tasks mostly [22:19] missyjane: I couldn't see anything. [22:20] I am thinking that if it is working with all other profiles then it may be a rights issue with a dependency of configuration file. [22:20] missyjane: okay lets try this, can you open another terminal application (Terminal, xterm) and start konsole from there and pastebin if it errors out. [22:21] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [22:21] zaccour (n=robert@24-158-161-49.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] eh [22:23] no error.. [22:23] no crash either [22:23] Isn't it funny how people change their behaviour when freenode staff are in the room [22:23] WildWizard: yeah its funny [22:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] dang, for some reason i can not get an old Beatles song out of my head - Eleanor Rigby [22:24] commit suicide [22:25] i would rather kill you percussion [22:25] ##slackware: mode change '+b %percussion!*@*' by RichiH!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih [22:25] Pig_Pen: be nice [22:25] ok [22:25] :> [22:25] Then again I could be wrong [22:25] percussion (n=percussi@190.2.40.57) left ##slackware. [22:26] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:26] Action: edman007 hugs RichiH [22:26] wow, he left.... does anyone have any ideas for missyjane's issue? [22:26] ahh, look at all the lonely people, where do they all come from [22:26] mfillpot, i think '--- RichiH sets ban on %percussion!*@*' helped [22:27] percussion == missyjane? [22:27] no [22:27] i hope not! [22:27] RichiH: thanks; sorry about the delay - the server I was on got rebooted, so I had no scrollback, and I was just pinged in another channel [22:27] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [22:27] I know that he was banned [22:27] I'll take care of that ip address in our bot. [22:27] <|Slacker|> hello [22:27] hello! [22:28] if I am not mistaken he was not bannned but silenced I think. [22:28] missyjane: Are you still here and working on that issue? [22:28] BP{k}, IIRC, a ban does not actually kick someone, thats where there is a kickban, if you just ban someone it mutes them (and maybe some other stuff?) [22:28] yes i am [22:29] s/where/why/ [22:29] missyjane: have you also tested it on a new account? [22:29] yes [22:29] a plain ban mutes them, but when they leave they can not get back in [22:29] new accounts, root, every other account works [22:29] edman007: difference between +q (which is %b and +b) [22:29] misplaced closing parenthesis there [22:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.88) joined ##slackware. [22:30] rworkman: np [22:30] missyjane: I think the easy solution now would be to setup a new account and trasfer your non hidden files to the new account, then remove the old account but not the files, that will help in case you forgot a file later on [22:31] hm [22:31] might be a kicker problem.. [22:31] mfillpot: you have a confusing nick. :) [22:31] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [22:31] thanks for banning percussion, he was trying to be evil but he was not quite smart enough to be really evil [22:31] BP{k}: I was going by lostnhell, but changed to this nick to help when I get some slackbuilds approved [22:32] mfillpot: I can't help but reading it as milfpot. [22:32] I have gotten that before [22:32] fillpot is a last name [22:32] one point for Pig_Pen [22:33] Pig_Pen: yes, I figured that, just amuses me how occasinally the brain scrambles words. [22:33] Action: RichiH waves [22:33] RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) left ##slackware. [22:33] thanks for that Richlv [22:33] err RichiH [22:34] percussion (n=percussi@190.2.40.57) joined ##slackware. [22:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@190.2.40.57' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:34] percussion kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Here's some percussion for your head (as if you didn't get enough as a baby). [22:34] :D [22:34] heh [22:34] http://pastebin.com/m193bb6f9 hey BP{k} [22:34] missyjane: I don't use kicker, so I can't remark on those settings, but shouldn't you just be able to move the config and base files and change permissions? [22:35] dont know, to be honest, im not exactly sure what you are asking me to do [22:35] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] missyjane: become root, rename your /home directory for the user to user_old, login as the user, copy the files you need into your new home directory [22:36] Ooh good: 57.40.2.190.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer customer-static-2-40-57.iplannetworks.net. [22:36] this band doesn't need any percussion [22:36] How do I mount an ntfs flash drive? [22:36] lol rob he has a static ip [22:37] <_alisonken1churc> lolwut: same as you mount a fat32 flash drive - with the proper -t optoin [22:38] lolwut: check dmesg to figure out what /dev/sd# the drive is, then run ntfs-3b /dev/sd# /mountpoint [22:38] WildWizard: :) [22:38] Pig_Pen: that makes perfect sense ;) [22:38] lolwut: http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [22:38] <_alisonken1churc> mfillpot: ntfs-3b or -3g? [22:38] WildWizard: thus proving my percussion theory. :D [22:38] hm.. [22:38] sigh [22:38] this will make me sad [22:38] its wierd [22:38] ntfs-3g, sorry for my typo [22:38] missyjane: is it still not working? [22:39] mfillpot, the reason why im not willing to do that is because 1- im typing to you guys on this, 2- my home folder is large, like 30-40gb large, im not sure how long that will take to mv [22:39] missyjane: mv only changes the name in the fs index, it will be quite quick compared to a copy [22:40] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: if it's anything like my SIL's laptop on a 100M link, her 19G took a good 4-5 hours [22:40] running mv in the same filesystem is almost instatanious [22:40] * that is unless you are moving file to another partition [22:40] <_alisonken1churc> mfillpot: unless running mv between partitions [22:40] missyjane: what's the problem, exactly? [22:41] jumperboy, opening konsole from the kicker in kde then exiting by hitting the exit on top right or ctrl+d crashes it (signal 11) [22:41] you sound like me, i packrat away everything i think is cool that i find online, funny photos, interesting & informative text, i end up with gigs of it on occasion and i have to either burn it to DVDr or delete it about twice a year [22:41] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Pig_Pen, indeed :) [22:41] quotes, photos, notes, save games, some favorite songs, etc [22:42] missyjane: try logging out of kde, then mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak [22:42] missyjane: then start kde again [22:42] missyjane: that will start you fresh and you can work from there [22:42] :'( but my settings... [22:43] <_alisonken1churc> missyjane: ... are obviously screwed :) [22:43] lol its just konsole... :( [22:43] gar0t0 (n=casa@189-69-80-40.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [22:43] mfillpot, Its saying that it doesnt have a valid NTFS signature, I formatted it with fdisk and used ID86 which it said was NTFS did I do something wrong? [22:44] fdisk does not format anything [22:44] <_alisonken1churc> lolwut: ID86 just labels the partition as an ntfs type - it doesn't actually format to a valid format [22:44] sometimes you just have to cut your losses, make a new user account to use and just visit your old one when you need a file, think of it like a storage room full of old junk [22:44] lolwut: fdisk only labels a partition, it did not format it as an ntfs partition [22:44] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:44] mfillpot, oh, do i have to switch over to my windows box to format it? [22:45] sorry if this is all common knowledge im somewhat new to all this [22:45] missyjane: then just move ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole to a backup location and see if that fixes it [22:45] lolwut: yes format all ntfs filesystems from Windows [22:45] we tried that earlier [22:45] didnt work [22:46] ihad win2k on this old laptop for two days before i could not stand to use it anymore and installed slack back on it, "theres no place like ~/ -Judy Garland [22:46] jumperboy: missyjane has installed kdebase too [22:46] reinstalled [22:46] ty [22:47] missyjane has tried everything but killing the profile itself, however I still think it is an issue with her permissions on the current profile [22:47] how can i kill the profile itself? [22:47] make a new profile [22:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:48] :| [22:48] missyjane: like I said, if the your home directory is on the same partition moving the files and changing permission will be reasonably fast. [22:48] ok fine [22:48] ill do that now [22:48] i have to exit irc then so brb [22:48] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [22:49] make a new profile, keep the old profile as storage for your personal files, you can even change the permissions on the old profile so you can easily read/write to it when needed [22:49] that was a very weird issue, it has to be an issue fwith a group on slack 12.2 that is new compared to her old profile on slack 12.1 [22:50] could be in group, shadow, passwd, it would take more time to find it [22:51] that's why I don't upgrade, just do a fresh install [22:51] same here [22:51] it would take far longer than her just setting up a new profile for herself [22:51] I only upgrade slackware-current, stable installs are always full [22:51] same here [22:52] good excuse to treat myself to a new machine :) [22:52] That reminds me: When is Slackware 5 going to be released? [22:53] lol [22:53] 4 5 6 [22:53] there is a gap between 3.x and 7.x [22:54] there are a lot of gaps between 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, and 7 [22:54] i thought of using the year, like slackware-2009 [22:55] I always hared the year reference, there is too much windows based adware and ransomware that uses that notation [22:55] windows 7 is the next one, hmm, in a few years they will be back up to windows 95 [22:55] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [22:55] *hated the year reference [22:55] it is easier to know how old it is that way [22:55] mfillpot : and the funny thing is that windows actually uses the year _ahead_ of the current one. [22:55] s/windows/microsoft [22:56] how about roadkill-based names? Squished Skunk [22:56] I prefer not to talk about the evil empire [22:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] Runover Raccoon [22:56] Dented Deer [22:56] Pulverized Possum [22:56] The standard version numbers are far easier for me, it lets me know if the changes were major or minor between releases [22:57] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] hello [22:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:57] hi amazon10x [22:57] all that pr naming crap is just to get people excited about the new release, they should be excited about the bug-fixes [22:58] crashx- (n=relaxed@h138.200.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:58] mfillpot : most people get excited about new features, not bug fixes :) [22:58] well, if a bug was annoying it would be exciting and a relief to get a bugfix release [22:58] ananke: for those people the ID10T reference was created [22:59] Action: |Slacker| is one of those people :p [22:59] crashx- (n=relaxed@h242.24.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] I have to admit, current is looking pretty good [22:59] what project are you guys talking about? [22:59] mfillpot : that's a silly statement. most people get excited about new features, not just idiots, as you'd like to believe [22:59] someone was making a crack on the slackware version number skip between 3 and 7, so we started talking about the version labels [23:00] 4 and 7 [23:00] the features mean nothing if they put you at risk or cause issues with the stability of other apps [23:00] for 'commercial reasons' [23:00] mfillpot : it is assumed that features are working correctly [23:01] slKIvs (n=ivan@64.104.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:01] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:01] I am still having problems with the new features in amarok2 and kde4, the new features are just killing my efficiency [23:02] i'm already bored with kde4, back on fluxbox [23:02] mfillpot : that doesn't change the fact that most people get excited about new features [23:02] mfillpot: yes, i too am having issues with kde4 [23:02] i haven't used the newer one yet though so it might be fixed [23:03] be it software, appliances, electronics, cars, whatever [23:03] I know well enough about most people, but commercial drones are one of the reason why most people think viruses are common place [23:03] volkerdi (i=3321@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.79.193) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:04] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:04] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.39.210) left irc: "leaving" [23:04] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] mfillpot : and what does that have to do with people being excited about new features? [23:06] Anakin: commercial drones think more about the new toys then the problem that can arise from their decisions to use them [23:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] ananke: ok, I just dislike people and the consumer mentality [23:08] mfillpot : maybe it's because you contribute more to consumerism than necessary? [23:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@pool-173-65-85-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] it is _perfectly normal and human_ to be excited about _new things_. attributing it to some 'evil consumerism' is just silly [23:09] it is because I do development at work and see just how much the consumer mentality results in unnecessary difficulties and problems [23:09] Did anyone have the issue where the up arrow stops working after switching to evdev? [23:09] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:11] grr, new problem... adduser [some user] then startx, it get stuck at "system initialization", then when i do ctrL+alt+f1 to go to console to read error, it say somsehting about kbuildsycoca: WARNING: specifies underfined mimetype/servicetype: [23:11] evdev has not messed up my up arrow [23:12] so i reinstalled all of kde, that didnt solve it [23:12] I've heard of the evdev problem, but have not run into it myself. [23:12] :| i wonder what the problem is now if its not kde installation [23:12] missyjane: so the new user is not booting up? [23:12] nope [23:12] that is a kernel module you are talking about? the event thing [23:12] going to reinstall shared-mime-info now [23:12] hiptobecubic: pardon referencing an Ubuntu forum, but maybe this would help? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-409870.html [23:13] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "leaving" [23:14] missyjane: Did you log out and log in as the new user first, or did you become the new user some other way? [23:14] /quit go go goneeee [23:14] caixabox_ (n=petrocel@1898724248.ssa.megazon.com.br) left irc: "go go goneeee" [23:14] volkerdi, i logged out and then logged in the new user after adduser as root [23:15] So only root can startx? [23:15] missyjane: did you try another WM, like XFCE? [23:15] no i can startx :) but this account has a bunch of setting that allows it go in [23:15] sec, let me try another xfce but let me try this first hold on [23:15] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [23:16] Ah... well then it wouldn't be something like perms on /. That was my first thought. [23:16] volkerdi, now why on earth would they go around changing the map codes [23:16] hiptobecubic: I wonder why a lot of things get needlessly changed :-) [23:16] I hope missyjane has a backup... [23:16] antiwire: hey do you find when you use eduke32 atomic edition, that the high resolution pack doesn't work? [23:17] I'm not cool enough to have the atomic Edition [23:17] All i have is the standard original [23:18] I miss that game and the ability to make your own levels [23:19] antiwire: sorry I forgot what you were running :P [23:19] let's try this out.... [23:20] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:20] ok [23:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@pool-173-65-85-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [23:20] I can't figure out mapster [23:21] i just took the pic [23:21] http://img44.imageshack.us/i/dsc05811.jpg/ [23:21] exactly what im getting [23:22] missyjane: what groups does this new user belong to? [23:22] um i forgot >< this test user belong to users [23:22] i adduser test then startx after logging in as test [23:22] walken_ (n=walken@c75.158.250-49.clta.globetrotter.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] missyjane: is that the only group? [23:23] yes [23:23] well there is another group called girl where i am in lol [23:23] VampX (n=orlandol@190.107.162.85) left irc: [23:23] >.> but that was cause i made a group for sudo and that was it [23:23] missyjane: maybe, as root: [23:23] /usr/bin/update-mime-database /usr/share/mime [23:24] ok just did that [23:24] looks great, lemme relogin [23:24] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:24] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:26] nope that didnt fix it [23:27] hm.. what could be the problem... [23:28] missyjane: you did slackpkg upgrade-all from 12.1 to 12.2 right [23:28] I thought that you tested a new user before and they were able to successfully log into KDE and run konsole [23:29] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:29] mfillpot, for some strange reason, they worked before, they dont now [23:29] so you are right in your thought [23:29] TClayton, yes [23:29] essentially, update, then upgrade-all [23:29] k [23:30] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] missyjane: you didn't install-new? [23:30] i did that [23:30] missyjane: was there any packages you unchecked [23:30] sorry, i did that after i did update, i keep forgetting to mention that [23:30] missyjane: how did you create the previous user that ran successfully? [23:30] same way i did now mfillpot; TClayton yes bin86 and a package that starts with p i think, cant remember what lol [23:31] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] the rest are 3rd party that i need.. ok.. ok.. ill upgrade those sbos too then [23:31] bin86 and pine [23:31] if you use adduser and its up arrow function you'll get a sane set of initial groups [23:31] THERE! pine [23:31] it might be mplayer thingie, ill upgrade it now [23:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:33] god im a moron [23:33] missyjane: mplayer was the problem heh [23:33] its not [23:33] :| im not done, i just said that cause i am [23:33] lol [23:33] lol [23:34] i do take comfort that my compiz fusion works :x [23:34] spinning in cubes makes my heart jumps in happiness [23:34] missyjane: are you in KDE now? [23:36] yes [23:36] is konsole working? [23:36] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:36] it works [23:36] just when i exit it gives me a signal 11 [23:36] so, it is still giving the error in the new profile? [23:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@pool-173-65-85-6.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] this isnt a new profile, this is my old profile :| [23:37] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.43.24) joined ##slackware. [23:38] There is something particularly peculiar happening with my up arrow. xev doesn't even list a keycode for it. Here is the output from xev. I pressed in order: left arrow, right arrow, down arrow, up arrow. The up arrow data is some strange matrix thing http://dpaste.com/57438/ [23:39] Hey hiptobecubic, how's it going? [23:39] firebird619, it would be better if had an up arrow [23:40] heh, indeed. [23:40] ALTHOUGH, as if it weren't bizarre enough, the up arrow DOES work for switching between desktops. just nothing else [23:40] that's odd [23:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] missyjane: are you using multiple partitions, such as on for home? [23:42] no [23:42] otherwise i would just easily reinstall slackware [23:42] i regret not doing that [23:42] i could do that tho... just will take some time... [23:43] im really lucky i backed up everything [23:43] I have always kept a seperate home partition so that when I do an upgrade (full install) I don't have to worry about removing my home files [23:43] <|Slacker|> does slackpkg list the pkgs it's going to delete if I use the clean-system option? [23:43] You could always just run "upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new *.t?z" over the top of everything, too. It might help. [23:43] at this point I think a full install would be the best bet, something is strange and mutliple attempts have not led us to the clear answer [23:44] i can do this [23:44] missyjane: listen to volkerdi if he overrules me, he would have way better solutions [23:44] upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new *.t?z [23:44] that looks amazing heh [23:44] wait, dont you mean slackpkg? [23:45] its an honor Patrick that im getting help from the man [23:45] erm.. [23:45] I thought I was incognito [23:45] haha [23:45] hehe [23:45] <|Slacker|> lol! [23:45] slackpkg could be useful, especially for removing obsolete packages that haven't been carried over between versions. [23:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:46] Action: chess sips an IPA, while people-watching [23:46] I'd use that upgradepkg approach if I happened to have the packages laying around somewhere. I usually find that's the case here. [23:46] chess: Howdy! Missed you at SELF man! [23:46] Hey chess, how's it going? [23:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Alan_Hicks: hey Alan. I knows it. :( I was really bummed I couldn't be there. [23:46] lol [23:46] sorry im kinda slow tonight Patrick but is it upgradepkg or slackpkg? :| [23:46] Alan_Hicks: Head the TLLTS guys talkin' about ya :-) [23:46] hey Alan_Hicks [23:47] hey chess [23:47] chess: Yeah. I was in the channel at the time. [23:47] hello firebird619 TClayton ;-) [23:47] missyjane: upgradepkg. [23:47] alright [23:47] Action: missyjane gulps [23:47] missyjane: he is saying to do upgradepkg from a local mirror of slackware-12.2 or the install disk(s) [23:47] missyjane: If you have the packages on the machine, yes [23:47] Alan_Hicks: hehe. sounds like they enjoyed meeting you [23:47] oh no i dont :| [23:48] Good evening volkerdi. [23:48] chess: Yeah, we had a good time. They're all great guys, for Damn Yankees. :^) [23:48] it's always good to introduce folks to us kind southerners [23:48] Alan_Hicks: I hear that [23:48] missyjane: have you read the slackbook? [23:48] XGizzmo: hey there! [23:48] yep [23:48] cant remember everything tho :| [23:48] hello volkerdi :-) [23:48] chess: I'm just glad I didn't have to share a room with XGizzmo. [23:48] do into each of the package directories and run the command that pat gave you [23:48] pat's here! i feel we need a new package format! what about .t7z ? :) [23:48] hey volkerdi [23:49] Alan_Hicks: lol [23:49] nachox: haha [23:49] tychersantiago (n=santiago@187.19.224.122) joined ##slackware. [23:49] nachox: That's no fun. Should be some regex or something. Maybe a wildcard. [23:49] ok lemme try this :x [23:49] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [23:49] nachox: 7zip and xz both use lzma compression [23:49] upgradepkg foo-1.2-i486-1.t\^\.\*\$z [23:50] this is the first time I've tried SweetWater IPA. That's from down your ways, Alan_Hicks I believe. [23:50] tychersantiago (n=santiago@187.19.224.122) left ##slackware. [23:50] hotlanta [23:50] chess: It is. I'm not fond of it. Too sweet. [23:50] beer's supposed to taste like beer, not like some fruit mixer. [23:50] lol [23:51] some hooch snuff and a corona here [23:51] Alan_Hicks: yeah, it's a little sweet though I've had worse [23:51] I like stronger beers too. [23:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] chess: A beer should make you feel like you've just ate a light lunch. [23:51] Guinness [23:51] Funny story... [23:51] rob0: + [23:52] Gotta have Stella Artois [23:52] After the after-party at SELF, we got to talking about the after-party. [23:52] Action: chess loves Guiness ... also Pilsner Urquell [23:52] chess, you better share [23:52] Alan_Hicks, and 5 or 6 beers should make you feel, like you shouldnt have eaten anything? [23:53] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:53] alright [23:53] Action: chess hands edman007 a cold one [23:53] im gonna reinstall :| maybe, do you guys have anything else i should try out before i do? [23:53] Jeremy said something along the lines of "I bet the owner has a heart attack when he does inventory tomorrow. Hmmm... All the Guiness is gone, along with the Sam Adams, the Yeunling, we sold some Pabst... How are we on Bud Light? Damn! Didn't sell a one?!" [23:53] sweet [23:53] Action: edman007 leaves [23:53] Alan_Hicks: haha [23:53] I tried to drinl all the blue moon. [23:53] Alan_Hicks: rightfully so [23:53] drink [23:54] I am not a fan of the Yeungling [23:54] That's geeks for ya. All the imported beer? Gone. Domestic? The better stuff is missing, the typical stuff, all present and accounted for." [23:54] or whatever it is [23:54] chess: It's better than Coors, Miller, or Bud. [23:54] Alan_Hicks: that's not saying much [23:54] Beer seems like a pretty standard topic in here. [23:54] chess: You are of course, correct. [23:54] beer [23:55] beer! [23:55] hiptobecubic: This is ##slackware man! [23:55] volkerdi: are you still home brewing? [23:55] beer = disgusting :( [23:55] beer:54 [23:55] beer is by definition, on-topic. [23:55] Action: danc3 pops another Miller High Life: The Champagn of Beers! [23:55] /join #slackware-beer? [23:55] Action: chess agrees with Alan_Hicks [23:55] missyjane: I'm sorry, but Slackware just isn't for you. ;-) [23:55] missyjane: there is nothing else I can think of, pat's recommendation is a fresh install of all applications [23:55] anyone get the number of that bus that hit my head? [23:55] spook: 69 [23:55] danc3, I don't like to admit it, but I drink plenty of Miller too. [23:55] beer is always on topic and slackboy better not complain [23:55] spook: Yes. BR-549. [23:55] chess: I've not fired up the kettle for 10 years :-/ [23:56] rob0: ew [23:56] i think it was 1888 [23:56] BOZO points to anyone that gets the reference without googling. [23:56] rob0: Killians or Michelob Porter here :D [23:56] Alan_Hicks, lol i havent had a problem with slackware until i touched slackpkg :( [23:56] chess: The equipment stares at me in the garage. I will do it again. [23:56] rob0: nothing wrong with drinking good ole USA-made beer [23:56] as in, bundaberg rum, est. 1888 [23:56] Alan_Hicks: I think I know what you mean.. however.. I've been drinking.. so... [23:56] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [23:56] missyjane: I was refering to your comments on beer. [23:56] <_lee_> let's see... slackware, beer, and... well, I got nothin' [23:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] volkerdi: I've thought about trying to get started ... not sure how the wife will take to it :-) [23:56] oh thank god... the latest updates pushed kde3-k3b + compat libs [23:56] volkerdi: g'day mate [23:57] volkerdi: I think store.slackware.com needs to sell a Slackware lager :-) [23:57] +1 [23:57] I can just see the label now... [23:57] oh [23:57] lol sorry [23:57] ooooo [23:57] I would definately buy official slackware lager [23:57] HAHAHA [23:57] <|Slacker|> yeah! slackware lager! woohoo! [23:57] I'd love to see a sheet of Slackware case stickers. [23:57] Slackager [23:57] call it "Bob's 57" [23:57] As a slightly more economical alternative to the metal badge. [23:57] black label with nothing but the 'S' logo [23:57] hrm..how about a slackare vanity plate? [23:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:58] stop talking so fast, my brain cant handle it [23:58] actually there IS a "Bob's 57" made at a small regional brewery in KC. [23:58] Dominian: hell yeah, I'd buy a Slack license plate in a heartbeat [23:58] spook: Get a better brain. Or start using Ubuntu. [23:58] danc3: I think the store used to sell the "borders" for the license plate [23:58] cool [23:58] Action: Dominian used to sell noobfarm gear long ago as well lol [23:58] Alan_Hicks: my brains okay, just a biut hung over [23:58] I'd like to see that "border" back in the store... [23:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Maybe if I sell some Slackware Lager I'll get to make those Slackware license plates [23:59] spook: Don't tell me about hung over man! [23:59] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] volkerdi: haha [23:59] PiterPunk: Howdy. [23:59] volkerdi: sounds like a plan [23:59] hello PiterPunk [23:59] Alan_Hicks: hi [23:59] PiterPunk: You still have that testing slackpkg for x86_64/ [23:59] Action: Alan_Hicks woke up Sunday and Monday morning, still buzzing from Saturday night. [23:59] They are called license plate frames. [23:59] Alan_Hicks: easy fix [23:59] Alan_Hicks: drink another beer! [23:59] Dominian: yes! It is called "stable" by now -;) [23:59] Oh, _frames_ [23:59] PiterPunk: hahaha [23:59] Dominian: www.slackpkg.org/stable [00:00] --- Sat Jun 20 2009