[00:00] sking : I just found a DVD iso. I couldn't find it fast enough because the names of files were truncated. [00:00] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Changing host [00:00] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [00:00] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:00] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:01] crocket: gotchya [00:01] sking : how can I see long filenames? [00:01] firefox doesn't let me [00:01] i have them turned off on my apache server [00:02] firefox shouldn't be the issue - it only shows what's sent [00:02] do you want 32bit or 64bit slack? [00:02] sounds like the server apache is having an issue [00:02] sking : I'm currently downloading slackware32 13.1 DVD iso. [00:02] why's the torrent not showing seeds? are you blocking ports? [00:02] crocket, what does http://slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware show [00:02] however, that's not a torrent [00:02] alisonken1home: i have long filenames turned off, its not an issue, but a configuration [00:03] that's what I thought [00:03] wait [00:03] I have a feeling my hard drive is dying or something. [00:04] alisonken1home, http://imagebin.ca/view/hoiqzxNQ.html [00:04] why do you say that, riza? [00:05] crocket, ok as sking noted, he has long filenames turned off on his server, so that's why you're not seeing long filenames on his server [00:05] I see [00:05] sking : Why don't you turn it on? [00:05] anyone dealt with a Realtek ALC889 and getting sound w/ multiple apps at the same time? [00:05] its a vulnerability and more secure to not&. also not all browsers like it [00:05] hmm [00:05] riza, bad clusters? [00:05] I didn't know it was a security vulnerability. [00:05] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.186.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:06] yeah, i forget the specifics, its been a long time since I had dealt with it [00:06] im trying to find the directive& to turn it on for the mirror only [00:06] sking, interesting - I was under the impression that webbrowsers only show what's sent - especially if it's html [00:06] I dunno.. I can't tell.. [00:06] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:06] sking, look at .htaccess for that directory [00:06] riza, do you have SMART enabled? [00:06] I just logged on only to find my files are sorted differently.. despite the fact that I never changed the sorting. [00:06] they do to an extent [00:06] shonudo, I think so. In BIOS. [00:07] it could be a lot of things, not necessarily your HDD [00:07] files sorted differently? [00:07] yeah, that's new to me [00:07] i was just about to comment [00:08] riza, different how? [00:08] I know some txts are supposed to be bottom there.. [00:08] you mean with ls? ls uses lexicographic unless told otherwise [00:08] Bleh.. [00:08] No I use dolphin, not with ls. [00:08] try ls [00:08] ls is fine. [00:09] then it may be dolphin [00:09] so it is some dolphin setting. why'd you blame the HD so quickly? :) [00:09] mancha, paranoia. ;_;... [00:10] crocket: long file names are on for the mirror [00:11] I... could.. just do a "slackpkg reinstall-all" or something.. [00:11] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:11] good [00:11] What do you guys think? [00:11] rethink your dolphin settings [00:11] check that first [00:11] riza do you have a SMART enabled drive? [00:11] and then do a backup of your files (just in case ;)) [00:11] Blah I'm not sure what to check. [00:11] riza those sound like very extreme measures, re-installing, changing the HD, etc. I think your dolphin's fucked. [00:11] sking, via BIOS I believe so. shonudo ya I do.. periodically... [00:12] mancha, most likely.. but.. but what would I do? [00:12] i don't even know what the problem is [00:12] hayaza (~damengkje@118.96.220.22) joined ##slackware. [00:12] back everything up, for a start [00:12] and then see if you can find a problem [00:12] start with dolphin [00:12] except that somehow you are unhappy with the order in which dolphin is listing files [00:12] I wanna sho wyou guys something htat's messed up. [00:13] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net expired. [00:13] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:13] maybe the start is an intelligent statement of the problem :) [00:13] can you pastbin it, riza? [00:13] you can do apachectl -a /dev/sd# and if it supports it, it would give you diagnostic results for the drive& thats a quick way to rule out the drive& also drive failure would not be indicated by file sorting& as the file table can be read and the drive has no say in how files are sorted [00:13] maybe check how dolphin's arranging the files in the directory [00:13] haha s/apachectl/smartctl/ [00:13] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] sking : do you have a separate server computer? [00:13] crocket: yeah... [00:14] The laptop I'm using right now is vulnerable to overheating. [00:14] thats hosted at a datacenter in Lansing, MI [00:14] and to accumulation of dirts. [00:14] When I do right click then go to "Run Command" it shows me this - http://www.rhisa.com/run.jpg [00:14] that will be available 24/7 [00:14] sking : did you buy a domain name? [00:14] crocket: i have many [00:14] caiofbpa (~caiofbpa@189.115.91.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:14] sking : you must be rich to have many. [00:15] $15/yr pretty cheap [00:15] Use namecheap.com. [00:15] wtf? [00:15] Much cheaper. [00:15] riza, if you change from oxygen to another theme...does the same thing occur? [00:15] Ya mancha. :| [00:15] i used to work for a datacenter as well, now i work as an SE for a publishing company in NYC [00:15] MLanden, tried that, yes. [00:15] riza, i have no idea what that is or that it's suppsed to be [00:15] shonudo, supposed to be the.. run command prompt. [00:15] But I get that instead. [00:15] hmmm... [00:15] weird [00:15] so their widgets are screwed up [00:16] what changed since it worked well? [00:16] Ya, it just appeared out of nowhere. [00:16] Kinda like that problem we had last time mancha with the sound thingie. [00:16] Out of nowhere. [00:16] did you reboot? [00:16] Of course. [00:16] riza, installed anything that uses the gtk engine? [00:16] how is this related to what you said at first about the "order" of the file listing? [00:16] so it worked until you rebooted? [00:16] Also I have no idea how to read the smartctl stuff. [00:16] "worked" being whatever you expected it to do [00:17] mancha, these problems appear out of nowhere though. shonudo it worked.. then stopped working.. so I rebooted.. still stayed that way. [00:17] so it was dinked before you rebooted? [00:17] bah, i don't believe in randomness in computers! [00:17] Yes. [00:17] I didn't install anything new, I swear! [00:17] ugh i am beating my head against a wall here, and there is shit for info out there on non-pulseaudio audio. anyone else having/had issues getting two apps to talk to the same audio device? [00:17] Other than slackpkg update then slackpkg upgrade-all, that's all I ever do. [00:17] if it worked on Monday and war borked on Wednesday, something happened in between. [00:17] yup [00:18] mancha, ya but I dunno what. [00:18] and updates can be that change [00:18] did you update anything? [00:18] From 13 clean install to everything that is possible from slackpkg update / upgrade-all. [00:18] Also is it possible these problems occur out ofnowhere from the fact that I never turn off my pc? [00:18] when? just before the problem? [00:18] not -current, you only upgrade to 13.1 security patches? [00:19] or do you upgrade to current? [00:19] lol 13.1 was more than a security patch upgrade :p [00:19] lol [00:19] what? [00:19] Not current or 13.1! [00:19] Just whatever is on 13. [00:19] I made the mistake of doing that with 12 I believe, I won't do that again. [00:20] oh i dunno what your specifically referring too& i was just blindly replying to a comment out of context [00:20] riza, i don't think the problem "occurs out of nowhere", but you may not experince it until you reboot [00:20] experience* [00:20] I dunno truly, rebootingisn't ssolving anything. [00:20] that's sort of my point [00:20] you reboot, and you come back to a dinked setup [00:21] Yep. [00:21] does kde4 plasma use Cairo?....remember that glitched up before with some GTK engines [00:21] banditman (~djt@92.14.82.163) joined ##slackware. [00:22] MrJackson (Mr@rm2348361283.main.ad.rit.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:22] i think it does [00:22] i remember fighting with that before kde4 was in slack officially [00:22] Bah.. [00:23] Maybe it's not such a big deal.... [00:23] has anything other than samba been updated in 13.0 in the recent past? [00:23] riza, it's probably a problem with dolphin which is a problem related to kde4 [00:23] Yep. [00:23] mancha, if that's to me.. I don't use samba. [00:23] samba was the last security update i received [00:25] and there was nothing else [00:25] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [00:26] audio? only letting one app talk at a time? anyone? if no info i'll move along [00:26] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [00:26] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148531 You folks think it's worth it? [00:27] I'm going to use it for storage... [00:27] kutani: perhaps setting your default audio device as dmix would help? i dont remember how to do this, but it gives you a term to google for [00:27] maco: dmix made things angry... [00:27] oh :( [00:28] riza, at that price, go for it; it's not much more than a carton of cigarettes [00:28] :) [00:28] hmmm, don't they have a new 1.5 64mb cache hd [00:28] i'd get that [00:28] they have a 64mb cache drive? [00:28] yes [00:29] that would be nice [00:29] yepp [00:29] way better [00:29] & worth what-ever prise difference if you need that big of a drive [00:29] depends on price, but yeah [00:29] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-96.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:30] your getting dbl the speed [00:30] transfer speed * [00:30] agreed, it's a nice spec [00:30] THank you shonudo. :) [00:31] I'm just using it for data backup.. I already have a 1.5.. so it would be a duplicate... [00:31] for a data drive, I sudjest useing the wd 600 gig raptor 64mb cache drive [00:31] but the raptors are expensive [00:31] ah [00:31] for data backup, what was posted may do [00:31] depends what you wont [00:32] and 32mb cache is nothing to sneeze at [00:32] like i said that's what i sudjest [00:32] $159.98 [00:32] Total. [00:33] hell i only use wd raptor drives now [00:33] raptors are it, they're poor man's scsi [00:33] riza, which version of kde are you running? [00:33] but still [00:33] you look at the price [00:33] Let me check.. [00:33] 4.2.4 [00:33] they kick ass & the 150 gig drives are now 3.0/ [00:34] Why do you guys need hard drive that fast? Just curious... [00:35] i don't [00:35] i'd like a raptor drive for the OS [00:35] but the rest doesn't matter that much to me [00:35] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=wd+raptor+hard+drives [00:35] why not get ssd for the os [00:35] they're large enough [00:36] yeah, thats a good way to go like the 150 or useing a ssd for your boot drive is even better [00:36] buzzin, those drives aren't close to a T [00:36] and the price is high [00:36] a T ?? [00:36] terabyte [00:37] kutani (~kutani@cpe-72-177-8-158.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] dude, 600 is a huge drive [00:37] SSD are too expensive, they'll go down in price eventually. [00:37] I'd wait. [00:37] a double-megabyte drive [00:37] 1T = 1mega-megabyte [00:38] or get the 64mb cache 1.5 drive for data [00:38] from seagate [00:39] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:39] An SSD is on my wishlist, but I want to wait until prices come down and I get a mobo with a better SATA controller first [00:40] i've got 2 ssd's arleady :/ [00:40] Wow is there coincidence or what. I made a wishlist earlier today. [00:40] Here is my tiny wishlist - http://www.rhisa.com/node/434 [00:40] i'll bet it's on everyone's wishlist (with everyone waiting for the prices to drop) [00:40] I'm working on building a new machine right now [00:40] who makse wishlists? wishlists remind me of the mrtg guy who links you to his while configuring [00:40] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-157-114.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [00:40] mrtg dude just wants some presents [00:41] ii've had a core i7 940 for well over a year now, it's slowy for me :/ [00:41] mrtg? [00:41] gosh knows no one is sending him cash [00:41] jeev: I keep my wishlist in my head :) [00:41] http://tobi.oetiker.ch/wish/ [00:41] ordered the Titan 650 case & useing a 750 ps modulare [00:41] riza, never heard of mrtg? [00:41] Nope. [00:41] riza: mrtg is a graphing tool [00:42] I see... [00:42] asus amd mb, with a 6 core blk ed chip [00:43] i've got some pwoerful servers sitting at the datacenter doing nothing [00:43] any suggestions ? [00:43] buzzin: You planning on doing a lot of video encoding or other heavily multithreaded tasks on that? [00:43] jeev: porn [00:43] jeev: foldingathome [00:44] yeah,, & graphic stuff [00:44] jeev, folding at home. [00:44] sking, i gave up on that. [00:44] And setup a dating website. [00:44] why? [00:44] it runs awesome [00:44] i'm just not dedicated enough to it, i'll do something with the server a day later and kill the pid [00:44] 150 raptor boot, & a 600 raptor [00:44] riza, i should set up a dating website.. hmm like that one [00:44] buzzin: so you'll definitely bee stressing all six cores a significant amount of the time? [00:44] Why waste electricity? Do something useful. :D [00:44] that one which encourages cheating [00:44] ashley madison [00:44] you don't really need to be dedicated to do porn, do you? [00:45] Action: shonudo is crushed [00:45] :( [00:45] actually my rackspace is funded by porn hosting [00:45] I don't like that site. [00:45] jeev: do one encouraging married straight men to have homosexual experiences [00:45] hayaza (~damengkje@118.96.220.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:45] raela, there's a lot of those, ie ubuntu [00:45] except they still can be totally straight [00:45] raela, you women couldn't take the competition [00:45] :0 just when i'm useing the machine [00:46] raela: that sounds a bit umm... DC [00:46] Skywise: it's okay, I don't really want to be in that running :P I'll give up all the married men to dudes [00:46] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [00:46] hey guys [00:46] going to for sure get another, { unicomp } customerizer 101 keyboard [00:46] hey Xgates [00:46] say anyone using pcmanfm 0.5.2? [00:46] maco: oh hey, didn't realize you were idling here now. what do you mean by DC? [00:46] love that board [00:46] they're only married, not castrated... usually [00:46] Xgates, any errors? [00:47] raela: all those "straight" married politicians popping up in the news with Totally Not Gay homosexual experiences [00:47] sking (~Adium@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:47] maco, those are called republicans [00:47] no [00:47] my point is only guys want sex as much as guys [00:47] maco: ah. well, you find people looking for it on craigslist all of the time, too. apparently, it's normal male bonding [00:48] raela: i figure once the self channel empties, how else do i find you, vbatts, alan, salty, etc? [00:48] social stigma and everything aside [00:48] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [00:48] buzzin: reason I bring this up is that unless you're stressing all 6 cores the Lynnfield Intels are far better value than the Thubans. In tasks that don't scale to six cores the 1090T Thuban struggles to beat even the i5-750 which, considering it costs the same as an i7-860, is pathetic [00:48] if men could have sex with women when ever the woman wants or sex with men whenever they want, the woman would never see the guy [00:49] riza, what may of occured with the blank krunner could be something with qt4 [00:49] MLanden: well I was trying to get it to open a file with nano so that it says opens with... well I forgot that you just can't put in nano only needs a cmd line for it to work, SO I right click the file, look at the properties --- open with - other program - now I have like nano listed 4 times in the Recommended and All Applications sections [00:49] i need to build a system tomorrow. i dont know if i should go amd or intel, their budget is around 700 i'd say with ssd [00:49] check this out [00:49] http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cus101usenon.html [00:49] Skywise: that's generalizing quite a bit.. plenty of women have equal or greater sex drive [00:49] not really [00:49] krunner? [00:49] But it still does that thingie.. [00:49] MLanden: I can't seem to figure out where pcmanfm is storing it's data in regards to something like this so I can remove all the nano entries [00:49] raela: that gets downplayed in societ due to the stigma associated with being a 'slut' or a 'whore' [00:49] raela, skywise is speaking for himself [00:49] jeev: bah, I like intel better, but I'm bitter :P [00:49] raela: ps, can slack be installed from an iso on a hard disk or only from cd? when i get my other laptop back i might give a go at a source-based distro on this one but it has a broken cd drive [00:49] there aren't many women with men's testosterone production [00:49] raela, i have intels too, this is for someone else [00:50] LSD, what Intel chip would you use ? [00:50] what a conversation for a slackware oriented room [00:50] you new here? [00:50] maco: you can boot from usb and install from an iso on the hdd, assuming you keep a /home.. or I think you can just install totally from usb. network install as well [00:50] lol sorta [00:50] sking, it's better than talking about the usages of 'yum' :) [00:50] why would you use that word here? [00:50] Xgates, check /usr/share/mime or /usr/share/mime-info [00:50] im not new at all to IT, so i know how perverted we all are :p [00:50] raela: i can boot from usb hard disks but not from usb flash drives due to an upstream bug in syslinux (i think, iirc) [00:50] Skywise: testosterone isn't the only thing involved with sex drive, I thought :P [00:51] yea it pretty much is [00:51] Gah I'm tired... [00:51] "Gah" ?!??! i've never heard Gah [00:51] you know what the miracle female viagra is? [00:51] MLanden: ok [00:51] testosterone in a gel [00:51] jeev: shrug.. maybe go for price then. I haven't built many computers.. recent one was server hardware [00:51] jeev, say gah in rela life. :D [00:51] real [00:51] you know what the little pink pill is? [00:51] testosterone in a pill [00:51] lol [00:51] xanex? [00:51] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:51] see the trend [00:52] maco: slack has a usb image that doesn't need isolinux, but it just does the installer and no files.. bah, probably made no sense, but it's late and I've driven way too much :P [00:52] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [00:52] raela: whatre you doing driving too much twice in one week? [00:52] most guys if otherwise uninhibited would have sex until they couldn't and then they'd rest until they could [00:53] maco: I just got back from camping a few days in ohio. I put 2106 miles on my car in about 10 days [00:53] Skywise: are you sure youre not just hypersexual? [00:53] no [00:53] raela: criminey! [00:53] MLanden: well I wouldn't really know what to check, what am I looking for? [00:53] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [00:53] i've built 4 computers this week [00:53] Skywise: meh.. I don't know much about this anyway :P but, it just seems like stereotypes which are probably not true. ah well [00:53] no, having promiscous males is an important biological strategy [00:53] Xgates, hold on... [00:54] maco: I was supposed to leave tomorrow morning, but then the campsite next to us was occupied by a couple with like 5 little kids.. so I decided to take off early [00:54] you want diversity and lots of mingling [00:54] ... [00:54] Still talking about sex. [00:54] I'm out. [00:54] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [00:54] raela: ugh [00:54] Action: sinuhe mentions #slackware-offtopic [00:54] never heard of it [00:54] jeev: I'm not in any sort of computer field, really. I just got to build the lab computer, but I don't have my own desktop.. just laptopsd [00:54] *laptops [00:54] oh [00:54] sinuhe: wonderful channel, I know [00:54] i have more computers than fingers [00:54] lol [00:55] what about fingers and toes? [00:55] no tyhen you'd have to include over 150 servers [00:55] when i acquire a third computer, the oldest of the pile finds a new home [00:55] buzzin: If you're considering the Thubans and don't really need 6 cores, then the Lynnfields (the i5-750 and the i7-8xx) are better choices, but if a large part of your workload is heavily threaded then AMD can sell you more cores (even though they aren't terribly good) for less money than Intel. Lots of people are buying the Thubans because they see 6 cores for $199 or $299 (which looks good on paper compared to Intels $999 980X), but don [00:55] then we're talking inches [00:55] last time that meant introducing a 10 year old to linux so that the oldest laptop would have a new home (no, not slack, she's 10, get real!) [00:55] I'm down to just two laptops :P and really could be fine with one. I just have trouble giving them away [00:55] geeks measure their winky's in RU's. [00:55] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.179.20) joined ##slackware. [00:55] i use blinky lights [00:56] MLanden: thanks [00:56] i got tons of blinky lights on everything, it barely gets darker when i turn the lights out [00:56] "yea baby i'm 1/4 cab" [00:56] 1/2 cab = 12RU/U ? hmm that's 1.75 * 12, that's a long wang [00:56] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-103.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] I measure my wang by making up a large number in my head to represent my non-existant anatomy.. today, it's 15' long [00:57] Action: chopp rubs his 14RU [00:57] lol [00:57] haha chopp [00:57] one thing is now more of the blinkly lights are blue and are harsher then the green or red ones [00:57] Skywise, what are you talking about [00:58] what, I want blue blinky lights [00:58] LSD, question - for a windows gamming what cpu chip would you sudjest ? [00:58] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:58] buzzin, pentium 4 d 3.2ghz [00:58] actually, my older laptop's power button glows blue.. which is always *too* tempting for my little sister.. she sure does like to press that pretty blue button [00:58] :> [00:58] about leds on devices i have in my room [00:59] raela: you could disconnect it ;) [00:59] i want to go on the Sea Shepard [00:59] hardly anything used to glow at night, now nearly almost all my stuff has something that glows on it [00:59] wtf, why can't i scrool up in irssi [00:59] Action: maco ^5's raela [00:59] lol [00:59] buzzin: pgup? [00:59] those guys are crazy [00:59] sking: but I think it's a pretty color, too.. I just have self control [00:59] lol, omg thx [00:59] hehe ture [00:59] Xgates, what do you have nano associated with? txt,doc? [00:59] Skywise, i have a great arm, i'll knock all those guys out with baseballs [01:00] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [01:00] you don't wanna be associated with those guys, they always fail majorly [01:00] buzzin: A Lynnfield definitely: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed/9 [01:00] whale wars should be a comedy [01:00] MLanden: yeah trying to and when I added it in, it made in the Recommended and All Applications sections like 4 entries of nano that I want to remove [01:01] MLanden: yeah so just associated with text docs for the moment [01:01] ok i want to be Bear Grylls camera man but his show is over i think, now he has a weird one [01:01] it's not fair, i want to sleep in a camel carcus for a night [01:01] oh [01:02] you could always do a star trek re-enactment [01:02] any of you use an iphone >_> [01:02] thx for the link, love that site [01:02] or starwars [01:02] not interested in star* re-enactments or movies [01:02] i forget [01:02] gh0st, i'd love the new one but att blows [01:02] true, but i was wondering how people get theirs recognized on slackware [01:03] gh0st: Mine's currently in the shop after it had an unfortunate encounter with the washing machine :/ [01:03] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:03] it must be time to get a new one [01:04] Xgates, check in you home folder's .local/share/applications...might be a desktop file [01:04] it seems iphones tend to have an untimely demises right after the release of the new one [01:04] I think it's suppose to be the shared-mime-info [01:04] ok [01:04] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.95.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:04] http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Tries-Fails-To-Justify-3G-CapEating-Microcell-108967 sad [01:05] do you use, jailbreak on your I=Phone ? [01:05] Xgates, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67656 looks like they were experiencing something similar [01:05] MLanden: sar@slackware:~/.local/share/applications$ ls [01:05] defaults.list mimeapps.list mimeinfo.cache nano-usercreated-0.desktop nano-usercreated-1.desktop userapp-nano-I74SDV-usercustom-0.desktop userapp-nano-I74SDV.desktop [01:05] ahh HA [01:05] cydia app store etc [01:05] so I just delete all those? [01:06] banditman (~djt@92.14.82.163) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:06] so delete nano-usercreated- and userapp-nano-? [01:06] Xgates, rename them and see if that gets rid of the problem 1st..then if so,delete them [01:06] ok [01:07] Skywise: This happened about a month before the new one was announced. It's hardly Apples fault I forgot to check my pockets before I put the washing machine on :P [01:08] i cant believe where ipv6 is right now, nowhere. [01:08] MLanden: WoOt that did it :) THANKS [01:08] jeev: as a network engineer& i can tell you its not nowhere exactly& and its frustrating that it isn't further along [01:08] why are your ...'s so tiny. [01:09] me? [01:09] Xgates, np...happened on my laptop with LXDE...had to recall where the file entries were stored [01:09] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:09] MLanden: one other thing in the mimeinfo.cache file I have this: [01:09] [MIME Cache] [01:09] text/plain=nano-usercreated-1.desktop;userapp-nano-I74SDV-usercustom-0.desktop;nano-usercreated-0.desktop; [01:09] Most people don't really need ipv6, v4 works just fine for them. I hate how the v6 advocates are lowering themselves to scaremongering to try and push it though, the internet is not going to grinf to a halt when the last v4 block is sold >_< [01:09] so should I just delete the text/plain line? [01:10] LSD`: its not a matter of how it works [01:10] it works fine, yes [01:10] the point is we are running out of address space in v4 [01:10] and by the cost of a /24 going up each year, and ARIN pushing tighter restrictions on space allocations& its apparent we need to move forward with v6 [01:11] LSD`, what are we to do when we run out ? :D [01:11] LSD is just sad his ISP doesn't have IPv6 [01:11] MLanden: and then in mimeapps.list I have this: [01:11] [Added Associations] [01:11] application/xml=userapp-nano-I74SDV.desktop; [01:11] just use a tunnel then :p [01:11] maybe remove that line too [01:11] they should've started using ipv6 before ipv4! [01:12] also, v4 should not go completely away, v4 should stay and run v6 on top of it until we are able to migrate away [01:12] sking: I get that, and I realise v6 is great in those situations, but anyone eho can currently get an v4 address (from their ISP) will continue to be able to do so after they run out, their internet service isn't going to just stop when that day comes the way the v6 advocates are suggesting [01:12] WildWizard: Why should I care if I can get v6 or not? It's of no use to me [01:13] Xgates, just backup them and try and delete the files..learned with LXDE using openbox's rc for the panel that it's easier to backup 1st then try and change it [01:13] MLanden: say would you know what cmd you'd use to click a text file to have it open in nano? [01:13] I just commented them I see what's happening.... [01:13] i need to start prepping ipv6 on my shit [01:13] LSD`: right, but if you get an v4 address, and i can't and i can only get an v6 address, your gonna have a hard time talking to me, unless both ISP's use a compatible translation medium&. your SOL [01:14] let me put this simply for you ... 100 IP address exist .... 200 users exist .... that means 100 go without [01:14] they don't have to go with out, but 100 is going to have a difficult time talking to the other 100 [01:15] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.179.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:17] slackwars [01:17] i dont know why i have such a hard on for colocation [01:18] me either, lol [01:18] heh [01:18] maybe i spent too much time working in a datacenter my previous job and im just not sensitive to it anymore :p [01:18] it's weird, dedicated servers are cheaper, better deals.. but i still like colo [01:19] why so? what do you like? [01:19] id do colo as well [01:19] you know the hardware that its on [01:19] the datacenter i used to wokr for would get back ally hardware [01:19] and sell services like hot swap SATA [01:19] Xgates, http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/files/ see they've updated recently...might have fixed some bugs with the file associations [01:19] but they aren't rack mounts [01:19] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [01:19] i dont know but i have some empty servers at the office and some at the datacenter racked. [01:19] so you can't actually hot swap anything without powering off the box [01:20] WildWizard: The fact that 100 have to go without isn't going to adversely affect the service of the other 100 by all that much. In any case, I get that v4 addresses are finite, I was never arguing otherwise. What I have a problem with is that, in order to try and speed up flagging adoption, the proponents of v6 are trying to make out that the internet will simply grind to a halt when the v4 address space is exhausted which simply isn't tru [01:20] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:20] LSD`, it should be even worse, they should say terrorists will kill us if we dont adopt ipv6 [01:20] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:20] they tricked us with that to go to war, we should use it to adopt ipv6. [01:21] yeah, only those terrorists happen to be your legislative body [01:21] LSD`: expansion of the internet will grind to a halt is what they mean [01:21] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:21] nah, more will just get natted [01:22] nating isn't going to solve it [01:22] will only prolong it [01:22] who knows when the population will become stabil [01:22] it won't ever become stable [01:22] MLanden: yeah but the newer version needs gvfs to mount storage drives that is why I don't use it [01:23] Xgates, so I've just read [01:23] we'll colonize the moon and live underground [01:23] sure it will, domains expire and companies close and blocks get released all the time [01:23] MLanden: 0.5.2 is just fine I just need to figure out what cmd would make nano open a txt when clicking it, you don't know? [01:23] going to watch a movie, peace [01:23] the moon smells like gunpowder, i'm not going [01:23] domains have nothing to do with address space [01:23] i an point all of the internet to 1 domain [01:23] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:24] How hard would it have been, hypothetically speaking, to make the 2^32 addresses currently defined by ipv4, the lower 32-bits of an expanded 64-bit address space? [01:24] it is true that companies close all thetime [01:24] hayaza (~damengkje@222.124.116.183) joined ##slackware. [01:24] but the big ones that actually request blocks from ARIN, usually don't close down that often, or if they do, they aren't reliquishing their space to the pool [01:24] the mention of a domain is that the ips that were being used often become available as a result [01:24] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [01:24] LSD`: in some cases that IS what happens [01:24] nat is terrible [01:24] its a link local address [01:25] nats only weakness is with ssl [01:25] jeev: nat isn't terrible& it actually has more than a "space expansion" benefit [01:25] too many proxy servers are requesting huge ip blocks and it's not against policy [01:25] its more than with ssl [01:25] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:25] you can't nat 3 servers behind 1 IP and use port 80 for web on all of them without a very sophisticated proxy [01:25] asia and shit is taking all the ip space as they should, since american carriers dont want to advance.. then again american isps already have a lot of ips [01:26] jeev: more ISPs are putting these policies in place now [01:26] sking, sure you can and you can even shuffle packets based on demand or loading [01:26] not with just nat [01:26] nat isn't designed to do that [01:26] you'd do it with a proxy server [01:26] you need some other kind of packet inspection on a higher layer othe rthan 3 [01:26] yes, thats what i said [01:26] :D [01:26] and proxy-pass [01:27] but nat isn't for providing internet services from lan resources [01:27] its really to let clients share the same outgoing interface [01:27] also, the private ip space is limited as well, even more so than the internet itself (obviosuly) [01:28] many company have exhausted the private ranges [01:28] you should use dummy ips in private [01:28] sking: how many households have 65535 IP-enabled devices though? :P [01:28] thats irrelivant [01:28] a household won't be requesting an IP from ARIN [01:28] if you can exhaust a class A internally then you should prolly ask your self aware network what to do next [01:28] tell that to NASA [01:28] and IBM [01:29] adn the Telco's [01:29] as they have done so [01:29] hayaza (~damengkje@222.124.116.183) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:29] if they've exhausted a class A its because they've wasted vast swaths of block space [01:30] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:30] i've guessed the ip address to the space station [01:30] not always the case [01:30] you make very bold assumptions about how networks are ran Skywise [01:30] not really, i've worked on nasa's networks [01:30] NAT also has advantages in the consumer market because it's able to stop a lot of drive-by attacks stone-cold dead. I'm not trying to suggest NAT should be relied upon for security, but it's better than nothing (which is what a lot of the machines in question would have otherwise), if only marginally. Allowing all those machines to have their on unique internet-facing IP caould be potentially disastrous, which is another reason I'm uneasy [01:31] Xgates, no...other than making the change to those files in mimeinfo and running update-desktop-database and update-mime-database...good luck [01:31] Skywise, nasa's trash disposal networks [01:31] ? [01:31] no, high speed imaging [01:31] LSD`: you are correct, but the debate isn't regarding security [01:31] Skywise: ill take your word with a grain of salt& as i do not know you [01:32] doesn't hurt my feeling [01:32] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:32] damnit sking, your ...'s are too tiny. [01:32] hmmm& i can see them fine [01:33] you know a class A has over 16 million addresses? [01:33] yes, im very aware of that [01:33] they're pretty messed up at this end, ski [01:33] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] sorry :\ [01:34] and all of nasa doesn't need to be routeable to all the rest [01:34] sking, what client are you using [01:34] adium [01:34] Skywise: 10/8 isn't routeable to the net [01:34] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-103.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:34] the point is the address space has been exhausted that is private, so they moved to public [01:34] bender183 (~taco@unaffiliated/bender183) joined ##slackware. [01:34] for some companies [01:34] not all [01:34] and very few actually had to [01:34] otis (~otis@ip70-176-201-168.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:34] they could even masq all class c's behind class b's behind class a's [01:35] no [01:35] mainly telco's and huge corperations [01:35] thats not what happened [01:35] when ip's were initially issued, they grabbed vast blocks in anticipation of scarcity in the future [01:35] why the hell would they do that? thats pointless [01:35] and why are you talking in classes? [01:35] we don't route liek that anymore [01:35] classfull routing is dead [01:35] join the 20th century [01:35] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [01:36] ha [01:36] you are new here [01:36] +1 [01:36] sking +1 [01:36] i may be new to this channel, but i am not new to networkign and how the networking world works [01:36] we are talking about ip4 address space [01:36] yes we are [01:36] a /23 is not a class C [01:36] or a class b [01:36] its classless routing [01:36] its for IP conservation, and is a requirment by ARIN... [01:37] hi guys. i have a little question - are there any new packages in 13.1 which MUST be installed? yesterday i looked through sch files as announce.txt and readme.txt but haven't found anything like this. nevertheless i decided to ask you here :) [01:37] hayaza (~damengkje@222.124.109.157) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Skywise, so like do you have anything to say back or you just going to continue to get your ass handed to you? [01:37] sking, give me 42U [01:37] Lexus45: there are some new packages for kde4, but ive forgotten what they are [01:37] bender183, um this isn't a fight [01:37] OK, KDE is not of my interes. I install a core system [01:37] you just sound like a moron [01:37] minimal [01:38] if your upgrading use --install-new to capture the new packages [01:38] OK thakns guys [01:38] so what [01:38] i wasn't even talking to you [01:38] :) no, it's a fresh install [01:38] and i don't remember trying to impress you [01:38] Skywise, ha whatever man, lrn2internet [01:39] 9/10 people who do a fresh install of slackware and don't install everything end up bashing their heads against a wall due to something been missing that they need later on [01:39] great advice, you're too cool [01:39] ty [01:39] WildWizard: i did that once... [01:39] the init scripts want the gnome icon packages :p [01:39] and some other things need X to work [01:39] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ -> is full of them [01:39] even on the CLI level [01:39] for imaging and stuff [01:40] (WildWizard): ¥ep [01:40] wow [01:40] last time I let my brother touch my mirc [01:41] hayaza (~damengkje@222.124.109.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:43] what's the point of installing linux if you're not missing something? [01:43] shit [01:43] haha [01:46] first time I saw a ubuntu oob install I cried [01:46] apt-get install this!! [01:46] |ponce| (~kvirc@dynamic-adsl-78-13-143-3.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [01:46] s/apt/slapt [01:47] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [01:49] Action: |ponce| say hi to everybody [01:49] ponce de lion ? [01:49] leon [01:50] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [01:50] <|ponce|> no :D ponce alla livornese http://translate.google.it/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPonce_%2528bevanda%2529&sl=it&tl=en [01:50] wonderful [01:51] <|ponce|> it's a local drink [01:51] was thinkin' Erik Estrada..but that's Ponch..;) [01:51] portugues? [01:51] <|ponce|> italy :) [01:51] i saw that estrada guy once pull up in an oldddddddddddddddd ass rolls royce that was barely running [01:51] catalan (espana) [01:51] at a chinese food place in studio city [01:53] anyone use mercurial here? [01:54] jeev, what was that infomercial that used to pop up with him...California Pines or San 'somethingorever' Estates? [01:56] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.33.87.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:57] no idea [01:57] san manuel? [01:57] oh yeaaaaaaaaaaa i remember [01:57] when they were trying to sell land [01:57] celebrities always drop in at burger joints out there or people forget who they were [01:58] i could go for a fattburger now tho [01:59] nasty [01:59] hayaza (~damengkje@125.163.32.245) joined ##slackware. [01:59] in n out. [01:59] lol [01:59] they're all salad [02:00] huh [02:00] they have a lot of toppings [02:00] fattburger is pretty much just meat, cheese and bread [02:01] jeev,that's the one....had to google it..was California Pines...had the same commercial with some lots in Florida as well Legigh Acres [02:01] w/Legigh/Lehigh [02:01] heh [02:02] http://www.calpines.com/ lol [02:02] Call or make a reservation now before they are gone! [02:02] you mean after 10 years? [02:03] lol [02:04] hayaza (~damengkje@125.163.32.245) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:05] suatalpoglu (4ebb20fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.187.32.253) joined ##slackware. [02:09] suatalpoglu (4ebb20fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.187.32.253) left irc: Client Quit [02:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:12] MLanden: where does pcmanfm 0.5.2 store the info of the applications you pick for it to use? LIke I'm using deadbeef to open audio but where is that info stored in what file for deadbeef? [02:13] hayaza (~damengkje@125.163.32.245) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Xgates, you mean like file assocating mp3 files to deadbeef [02:13] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:15] yes file association I right clicked an mp3 and had it asscociate with deadbeef now in the 'open with' section deadbeef is always listed for audio so where is it storing this info? [02:15] I thought deadbeef was something you threw on the barbeque????? [02:15] lol [02:16] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:16] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [02:16] what? I thought you throw it on live.. no wonder it was so messy [02:17] xgates, are you using kde? [02:17] openbox [02:17] depends what you are cooking....... [02:17] hey I'm really impressed with deadbeef nice player :p [02:17] and lightweight too [02:18] is there a control center or similar on open? [02:18] lol [02:18] one sec [02:18] openbox is what is known as ONE of the Boxs ---> Blackbox, Fluxbox.... [02:19] we're talking TINY [02:19] yup [02:19] i'm familiar with flux [02:19] from DSL [02:19] what about evilwm? [02:19] they're about the same [02:19] anyway, the thing is, if you can find file associations, you can set that to your liking [02:20] http://openbox.org/ [02:20] is supposed to be the tiniest.......I'm sticking with xfce though, [02:20] ObConf is all there is in OpenBox: http://openbox.org/wiki/ObConf:About [02:20] the xfce mouse creeps me out [02:21] the mouse is what i like best. [02:21] <|ponce|> if I'm not mistaking, for lxde file associations are managed with xdg-mime [02:21] <|ponce|> http://blog.lxde.org/?p=50 [02:21] i prefer the meet of the burger. [02:21] waitwut [02:21] <|ponce|> http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-mime.html [02:21] haha [02:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:22] I used to use lxdebut then figured it was like kde'slittle brother/sister....all bells and whistles [02:22] <|ponce|> besides setting them in the properties dialog of the file manager [02:24] hey I'm dual boot with Win7 if I want a desktop then I boot Win7, otherwise I run something like OpenBox in Slack, I don't need Gnome or Kde.... ;P [02:24] nice and light in Slack is the way I like it.... [02:24] Syllopsium1 (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [02:25] |ponce|, that accesses the freedesktop.org.xml file in /usr/share/mime/packages,right? [02:26] hayaza (~damengkje@125.163.32.245) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:27] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:27] <|ponce|> http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-0.19.html [02:28] figabo (~figabo@200.52.176.130) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [02:28] |ponce|, ok...thanks [02:29] <|ponce|> http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-0.19.html#s2_layout [02:29] MLanden: so do you know where it stores it's association to applications? [02:32] <|ponce|> .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list [02:32] <|ponce|> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-actions-spec [02:32] Nick change: nyRednek -> jewbacca [02:33] vehn_z3 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-180.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:33] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.36.184) joined ##slackware. [02:33] all nice human readable xdg-* files in Slackware [02:34] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.180.174) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Syllopsium1 (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:35] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-96.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:36] my .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list is empty [02:36] so pcmanfm 0.5.2 isn't storing there [02:36] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:36] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:37] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:38] brb need to go get water HOLD that thought [02:39] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.180.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [02:43] hayaza (~damengkje@125.166.180.174) joined ##slackware. [02:43] pnq (asdf@AC829DD9.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:47] <|ponce|> have you tried update-mime-database ? 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[03:34] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:37] gh0st_ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:39] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:39] Mlanden is a comics charachter [03:41] venerdi12, cool...googlin' right now [03:43] gh0st__ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:46] venerdi12, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pdEw9cLo-s0/R_k1IwylJeI/AAAAAAAAALw/gZspK5GTDuo/s1600-h/CoverSp01prw.jpg cool,a parody on Jason from the Friday the 13th movies..:D [03:46] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Patero-ng (~hp@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] rmorgan (~rmorgan@74.196.41.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:58] IamSOMBER (~mirko@host245-79-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:58] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:59] Guys, I've just edited the standard tagfiles from A, AP, L and N sets (I'll install packages only from them). So, I have 4 files, called 'tagfile'. [03:59] Is it enough to use them (say, from mounted usb-stick) during installation? [04:00] I have a directory 'tag' on it, and inside I created 4 subdirectories - a, ap, l and n [04:00] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:00] and in each of then is a modified tagfile [04:01] away for a wile, bye [04:01] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[04:10] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [04:11] I want the truth [04:11] wikipedia is based on opinions [04:11] I want facts [04:11] hte facts are all there [04:11] just read it [04:11] unless you have a specific question [04:11] so I need the creator's web history timeline [04:12] well is there another site other then wiki for my slackware birth question [04:12] Patero-ng, what is this interest :D [04:12] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [04:12] because manipulation [04:13] I want to know the goal deal with slackware as openbsd [04:13] or netbsd and its owner that quitted [04:13] apprently insiders ruined his work [04:13] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [04:13] being clear a conspiracy going on so reading wiki is not going to be truthful if there was 1 since the nternet din't do this for fun [04:14] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:14] there are no conspiracies going on behind the scenes with slackware [04:14] there is Patrick Volkerding who maintains the distro [04:14] I didn't say slackware I said openbsd [04:14] or netbsd [04:14] others like Robby Workman help [04:15] what you are asking for is very vague... [04:15] so do they have a website stating the goal of slackare [04:15] from birth to no [04:15] w [04:16] slackware.com [04:16] they ? [04:16] rly [04:16] the goals have never changed [04:16] the goals have remained the same [04:17] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:17] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, you're just a long-time troll who subtracts from the cumulative IQ of humanity. Begone. [04:18] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:18] been awhile since that idiot has been around. [04:18] lol [04:18] i like the comment left [04:19] rw has the best ban messages. :P [04:19] tin hat society? [04:19] Action: rworkman hasn't been awake long enough to tolerate his bullshit. [04:19] ha [04:19] sup rworkman? [04:20] sking: just working on SBo stuff (slowly); how's the big city life? :) [04:21] its decent& [04:21] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:21] trying to find qualified linux peeps to fill a few spots on my department though [04:21] I don't even understand half what he said. [04:21] seems like it would be easier to do in the big city [04:21] no one did crocket, lol [04:22] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.95.214) joined ##slackware. [04:22] sking: I would think it easier, yeah [04:22] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:22] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [04:22] so far, that has proven to be a false hypothesis [04:23] heh [04:23] wanna change careers? :D [04:25] No :) [04:25] lol lame :p [04:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:33] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [04:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [04:36] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [04:36] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:36] good morning all [04:40] bed time for me, night guys [04:41] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:43] venerdi12 (~lu@host238-25-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:43] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. 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[05:54] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-58.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [05:55] vehn_z3 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-234.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:56] I've got a readynas duo.. and I can select between raid 0 1 & 5 is it useful to choose 5 when it only got 2 hd's ? [05:57] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:58] it is impossible [05:58] adaptr: hehe.. yeah.. sounds like it =) [05:59] ZeroUno (4e0d1eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.13.30.186) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:59] a 2-disk raid-5 would be a mirror pair with the mirror holding the inverse of the data; that sounds rather stupid to me [05:59] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [05:59] adaptr: ok.. striping it is ;) [05:59] HOWEVER, if the device can expand the current raid set online.... hmmm [06:00] nonono you do not "stripe" [06:00] never, ever "stripe" [06:00] adaptr: I stripe.. I dont want to waste 500gb [06:00] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Quit: .. [06:00] if you value your data, yo forget the existence of RAID-0 , or unraid, or please-coe-take-my-data-and-stomp-on-it-till-dead-dead-dead [06:00] your funeral [06:00] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:01] adaptr: besides i'm only going to use it for torrents [06:01] you should have bought 2x150gb [06:01] 2x1500* [06:02] adaptr: well one came with the nas the other is a drive i've had in an external cab .. I'll get bigger drives later.. prolly 2x2TB [06:02] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [06:02] adaptr: then I'll do mirroring... maybe =P [06:02] how many does it support ? [06:03] adaptr: 2 drives [06:03] adaptr: its not mission critical data I'll have on it anyway [06:03] =) [06:03] hrm then go with what your brain tells you [06:04] adaptr: it will be a torrent seedbox :) [06:05] ttyl =) [06:06] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:12] MrJackson (Mr@rm2348361283.main.ad.rit.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:12] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7E0C6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [06:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:14] good afternoon folks [06:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [06:15] which tool exist to trace files which are opened by the program? [06:15] lsof, fuser [06:16] yes, lsof :) thanks adaptr [06:16] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [06:17] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net expired. [06:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:18] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [06:19] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [06:19] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left irc: Client Quit [06:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:31] MrJackson (Mr@rm2348361283.main.ad.rit.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [06:53] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) joined ##slackware. [06:54] morning (afternoon/evening) all [06:54] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:54] could someone tell me how I change the default keyboard mapping for all users setup on the system? when i installed i asked it to create the GB keyboard mapping but new users setup have the US layout by default... any help? [06:56] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] hi, can someone please help me with a problem triyng to boot a new slack 13 install on an old computer [06:58] I can buy try... what's the problem? [06:59] i get to the big slackware graphic screen after BIOS checking and everything, and i can get to a LILO prompt but after i choose the one setup, it says "Loading Linux......" and freezes [06:59] slobad23, look at /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap [06:59] any commands i should enter after the "Linux" selection [07:00] devout: can you book the kernel off the install CD? [07:00] aouoau, Thanks very much [07:00] cheers [07:00] yes [07:00] i can boot into install. can i boot my system from the install cd? [07:00] BTW, i found that by doing "# grep -R ".*keyboard.*" /etc/rc.d/*" [07:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [07:01] devout, yes will your kernel boot properly? [07:01] aouoau, I should have thought of looking at the rc scripts - thanks for the help (i did wonder how you would remember things like that off the top of your head [07:01] i havent been able to have it boot thus far. how do i boot it from the CD? [07:01] slobad23: did you read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT? [07:02] just what it says.. hugesmp.s? [07:02] rworkman, I don't know what or where that is - all i know about linux and slackware has come from reading slackware essentials over the last week [07:02] the start up screen of the installation CD saids how [07:02] ok ill try it. thanks [07:03] slobad23: that file is in the toplevel dir of the install cd (or on the mirrors) [07:03] slobad23: if you had read the release notes (and you should have), they would have referred you to that file. [07:04] rworkman, thanks, I will take a look at them today [07:05] slobad23, just starting with Linux? [07:06] kindix (~kindix@host-85-27-55-65.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [07:06] replay, yes... i have used ubuntu for a little while but i didn't learn anything to count towards what i would class "linux experience" [07:07] Slackware's kinda a big step from Ubuntu, tried Fedora or Debian? [07:07] azazul (~martins_t@84.237.203.130) joined ##slackware. [07:08] replay, are you saying i shouldn't be using slackware? [07:08] hi , a general linux question here : where does it keep the data for hibernate by default ? and where else can it be stored [07:09] url would be nice too .. [07:09] slobad23: if you are willing to read the documentation you'll be ok. and you can always ask here, as long as you do your own homework first [07:09] replay, works like a charm. thanks. what is likely the reason it wont boot from disk? [07:10] azazul, i think it's stored into swap partition [07:10] slobad23, no if you wanna learn by all means, [07:10] devout, its lilo's fault lol [07:10] ok. now just have to get my wireless card working [07:10] thanks [07:10] i appreciate that i was being a little lazy with the keymap question but today i am trying to get some work done and just wanted an answer asap to be productive [07:10] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:10] what if there is no swap ? ( a laptop with 4gb ram doesnt really need it ) [07:11] replay, I want to learn and slackware has been more appealing to me (for that very reason) than any other distro [07:11] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE255.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] azazul, you are contradicting yourself here [07:11] pretty sure you need swap for hibernate ... even windows does it that way [07:11] azazul, i don't know.....maybe the hibernate function won't be activated [07:11] devout, u should fix lilo so you don't have to use the CD every time to boot [07:11] swap is often used for hibernation images so if yopu want to hibernate you need a swap even though you think having 4gb ram means you don't [07:12] replay, how. also, how do i get to drop into root, i dont have the root pw [07:12] swap is always recommended [07:12] Also, swap is handy for tmpfs for /tmp [07:12] use chroot [07:13] ok , thanks for clearing that up , bye [07:13] well i guess i can fuck around with lilo now that i have the system running [07:13] azazul (martins_t@84.237.203.130) left ##slackware. [07:13] chroot will let me authenticate as root without root pw? [07:13] devout, try grub instead lilo [07:13] maybe just "/sbin/lilo" will work [07:13] devout, authenticate? [07:14] OK that much i can do replay how do i get to root [07:14] just mount the drive in a directory and chroot it [07:14] replay, i dont have the root PW [07:14] not root filesystem [07:14] root user [07:14] who DOES have it? Ask that person. [07:14] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] did you set a root password? [07:14] i just did a fresh install [07:14] devout, chroot is for changing "/" [07:14] apparently not [07:14] devout, you don't know the root pw? [07:14] i dont think it primpted me for one [07:15] then change it [07:15] if you didn't set one, it's null, just hit enter if prompted [07:15] ok [07:15] the installer does ask right at the end if you want to set a password [07:15] devout, wtf? root pw is the most important thing [07:15] i have a user setup but not root [07:15] just "mount /dev/sda /mnt/here" or something to mount the drive then "chroot /mnt/here" then just "passwd" change the root pass [07:15] idk [07:15] ok [07:15] how did you set up a user without it? [07:16] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [07:16] dunno. i just went thru a couple installs including the new 13.1 trying to get it to boot correctly [07:17] Slackware does not have the option to add users in the installer you have to do this by booting the system and logging in as root then running adduser [07:17] no idea then [07:17] but my usual password worked with a non-root user [07:17] FWIW I never know root passwords. I always set up sudo and deliberately forget root passwords. If I needed to login directly as root for some reason, I'd change the passwd via sudo. [07:18] devout, are you sure you are on slackware? [07:18] isn't that what Ubuntu does? [07:18] .................checking disk... [07:18] yes ansa [07:18] rob0, sudo is evil [07:18] ive been using slack 10-12 years [07:18] devout, lol [07:18] i avoid sudo for sake of convenience [07:19] fscking forced fsck check [07:19] $ cat /etc/suauth [07:19] root:rworkman:NOPASS [07:19] No need for sudo even :) [07:19] ah, interesting. [07:19] suauth(5) :) [07:23] rworkman, i didn't know about suauth [07:23] really interesting [07:23] me either.. [07:23] yeah, sudo isn't worth it [07:24] sudo is fine and useful if used correctly [07:24] idk, never got used to using it [07:25] there are some flaws with it anyway [07:25] that I have read about [07:25] su to root with no pass doesn't sit well with me :) [07:25] mancha, yeah you right [07:25] i like privilege segregation [07:26] who would do that >' [07:26] no pass [07:26] that is barbaric [07:26] mancha: OWNPASS then [07:26] mancha, linux is not a democracy [07:26] lol [07:26] is there a planned release date mentioned anywhere to slackbook 3.0? [07:26] OWNPASS is just a tad better though not out of the bad category [07:26] rworkman: wouldn't the vulns of sudo out weigh the worth or vice versa? [07:26] mrpwnage: I do it on my laptop, and there's no risk at all. It's physically secure and nobody can log in remoetely except with ssh key [07:27] ay [07:27] ownpass helps in case someone gets ahold of your box and you're already logged in, they'd need your pass [07:28] i like root privs requiring a separate pw though :) [07:28] yes, i guess typing plain text root pass' less often is always good. [07:28] Anyone got SELinux working on Slackware? [07:29] You folks may run your systems your way. I'll run mine my way. I feel reasonably secure with the choices I made. [07:29] replay that will take a bit of hacking. as it stands, selinux requires pam [07:29] The real risk to machines makes a password requirement *worse* - I've had a box rooted and there was a password sniffer installed, which resulted in the attacker having root pass too. [07:29] if you want selinux, try centos [07:29] rworkman: I understand. [07:30] how is a sniffer that gets your root pass worse than a box with root access not needing a pass?! [07:30] :) [07:30] Had I been using ssh key only access, it would have never been rooted [07:30] rworkman: the million dollar question. how did you get rooted? [07:31] Long story short, the Debian ssh fiasco bit me. Had a user with a weak pass, that user was compromised, that user had root via passworded su, root pass was sniffed, gang. [07:31] er, bang [07:31] debian-- [07:31] si [07:31] only takes one to bring down a whole domain [07:32] google for phalanx2 if you want more details [07:33] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:33] okay [07:33] Actually IIUC about the Debian SSL (not SSH) crap, a Debian-generated keypair would have been vulnerable too. [07:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Well, probably, but in this case, I think the user's pass was sniffed on a Debian box that was already rooted. Can never be sure though [07:34] rworkman, but is it a problem concerning only debian boxes? [07:34] any dsa key generaed anywhere if it accessed a debian box could be broken [07:34] phalanx2 lends support to slack's packaging philosophy [07:34] You are talking about the time that debian generated their ssh keys from pid , right? [07:34] From looking at that phalanx2 kit, it created a file of passwords and then tried the user/pass combos on the hosts in ~/known_hosts and such [07:35] rsa keys didn't have this vulnerability. it is a particularity of how dsa uses the rpng which on the broken debian has a limited entropy space [07:35] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:36] prng damn lysdexia [07:36] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:36] i say keep users off your system and problem solved [07:37] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:38] kindix (~kindix@host-85-27-55-65.brutele.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:39] mancha: more particular of a weak password [07:39] and of course dsa is bad anyway now [07:40] kindix (~kindix@host-85-27-55-65.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [07:40] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:40] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-11-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:41] dsa isn't bad, it's just that the protocol makes some assumption like "thou shall not use a retarded prng" [07:41] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] SELinux doesn't necessarily require PAM [07:42] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] dsa has the fault with the short key [07:42] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:42] replay, the kernel space stuff doesn't but all the userland stuff is written for pam. that is my point. [07:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.160.71) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:43] Not sure [07:43] so if by doesn't necessarily you mean you can re-write the userland to not use pam you are right. when are you starting this? [07:43] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] i *am* sure [07:43] i have 3 boxes running slackware, i ssh into them and leave the terminal windows open, but i keep on doing stuff on the wrong box, anybody have any tips to stop that happening [07:43] "SELinux doesn't strictly require the use of PAM; you can port it to Slackware without necessarily converting to PAM. Using SELinux without PAM (and pam_selinux) just requires policy modifications to allow direct program reading of /etc/shadow and direct patching of login. pam_selinux was actually introduced by Red Hat when they integrated SELinux into Fedora Core; prior to that, login was directly patched for SELinux." [07:44] old NSA Mailing list for SELinux [07:44] imho selinux dosnt mean more secure box.... [07:44] the selinux api has changed a lot [07:44] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7E0C6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:44] good luck using ancient userland stuff that predates pam [07:45] dustybin: do the boxes have different hostnames or are they all darkstar [07:45] lol xD didn't say i was going to try it, I was just wondering if you can [07:45] SElinux can mean *much* more secure ... as in ... "everything useful is broken". :) [07:45] aouoau: hostnames are different, but sometimes i forget to read.. [07:45] So don't do that. [07:45] isn't the hostname in your ps1? [07:45] kindix (~kindix@host-85-27-55-65.brutele.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:45] or is that what you mean [07:45] Technical solutions to human errors never end well. [07:46] we all make mistakes. [07:46] Yes, and we learn from them (or not). [07:46] true [07:46] Action: rob0 is always right! [07:47] One time I thought I was wrong, but as it happened, I was mistaken. [07:47] Go down that road and you'll be aliasing "mv" to "mv -i" before you know it. [07:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.130.234) joined ##slackware. [07:47] dustybin: maybe using blinking cursors of differnet color for each ssh term [07:47] or incorporate -i in your .bashrc and be rid of it [07:48] slysir: good idea [07:49] maybe you could add some color to the hostname in your ps1 to help it stand out [07:50] :D [07:50] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [07:51] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [07:51] :-D [07:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Jdif (~Jdif@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:21] OK i have another question [08:21] i have my wireless card driver installed on wlan0. how do i get to connect [08:21] to the internet [08:22] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) left irc: Client Quit [08:23] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) joined ##slackware. [08:23] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) left irc: Client Quit [08:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [08:24] iwconfig [08:24] devout, iwconfig wlan0 essid "NET_NAME" [08:24] ifconfig wlan0 up, then iwconfig wlan0 channel essid and then dhcpcd wlan0 [08:24] what are my channel and essid [08:24] devout: or you use wicd its a nice tool [08:25] we don't know [08:25] lol [08:25] wicd never works for me :-( [08:25] devout, google is your friend [08:25] you could use devout iwlist scan wlan0 [08:25] hay guys grocery deliver is here be back in a bit [08:25] man iwconfig [08:26] Ansa89: wicd is the best tool to connect via wlan [08:26] for me [08:26] sorry that it doesn't work for you Ansa89 [08:26] why doesn't it work [08:26] yes i know, a lot of people use it [08:27] i don't know why it doesn't work [08:27] Ansa89: maybe you've forgotten to change the wlan card in the wicd settings [08:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:27] btw, i prefer /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [08:27] or you're not in the wicd group [08:28] no, i worked on it about 2 months [08:28] ok i'm often on the uni and have to use the wlan over there [08:28] wow thats quite a long time [08:29] theres no wicd group [08:29] I like wicd for my netbook, which often goes places with me, but not for desktop machines and mainly-stationary laptops; those, I set up in the rc.inet1.conf. [08:30] rob0: me too [08:30] the problem could be that i wasn't in wicd group.... [08:31] but this is an old story [08:32] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) joined ##slackware. [08:33] nader (~nader@85.133.204.194) joined ##slackware. [08:33] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:40] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:42] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:44] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [08:45] alessio (~alessio@host184-225-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:45] I wrote those files to turn off the laptop monitor when an external monitor is connected. Read this. http://www.pastebin.org/345225 [08:46] crocket: i'm glad you did it. I will see them later. [08:46] It doesn't work after all. [08:46] ^^ [08:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:46] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:46] i'll still see them later [08:49] Hi i've a problem with iptables.I firstly drop all packets, then accept dns,http and ssh. i've got problems with ssh: if I enable all tcp packets it works, but not if i accept just port 22 [08:51] do you append or insert the accpet rule for port 22 ? [08:52] yes it's : iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --sport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT [08:53] and also for the OUTPUT -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 22 ... ecc [08:54] you shouldn't need output rules [08:54] dont use --sport , use --dport [08:54] thats it [08:54] becouse the incomming connection is going to port 22 , so it's a destination port , not source. [08:55] nader (nader@85.133.204.194) left ##slackware. [08:56] btw the output chain is for outgoing connection ....it's not a good idea to drop stuff in it , if you dont know what you are doing .... [08:57] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) joined ##slackware. [08:58] ok now it seems to work from pc to firewall [08:58] but not the ssh from firewall to pc...in OUTPUT is --sport or --dport? [08:59] hey guys, net connectivity is working, thanks a bunch. now just have to get lilo working right [09:00] i'm not sure what do you want to do ...if you want to stop your box form connecting to any ssh /using port 22/ its --dport on the output chain. [09:00] i want firewall can ssh to the pc and the pc ssh to firewall both [09:00] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) joined ##slackware. [09:01] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:01] dport on input and output chains will do the job :) [09:02] wth!it does not seems to work anymore [09:03] the rules are both dport 22 NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED [09:04] if you drop all connection /new , established , related/ you dont need to tell all types ...just say : iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP [09:04] Hello, I've just installed slackware 13.0 on my laptop. I am trying to get wicd to work because my eth port is broken, but I can't seem to get my wireless to work. It worked once before on this same laptop when I installed slackware on an external hdd, but I can seem to do it now. I have tried makepkg with the new packages from wicd sourceforge but no luck. Any ideas? ( I'm on my iPod now) [09:05] shadowx, no i want to enable ssh not disable :) [09:05] alessio , can you pastebin the firewall please ...it will be easy to help you if I see all rules [09:06] shadowx, ok [09:07] MikeSee why dont you use the slackware package ? [09:07] slackware13.0 ships wicd in /extra packages. [09:07] install it , chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd ; sh /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [09:07] and .... i must start working [09:07] Action: rob0 Rule of Thumb: If you have to ask for help to make it work, you do not need any filtering in OUTPUT. [09:08] shadowx: Ill try again [09:08] Also, if you drop everything first, why would you expect anything to be accepted later? It's already gone. [09:09] alessio: where was your pastebin? [09:09] shadowx, here you are http://pastebin.com/9WvHr7Np [09:09] i think he meant his default policy is drop, which is correct on the INPUT table [09:09] MikeSee: a good reference is the archwiki http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wicd [09:09] w0w [09:09] alessio: see the Packet Filtering HOWTO at netfilter.org. [09:09] dont -P OUTPUT DROP [09:10] lol [09:10] get rid of your OUTPUT rules [09:10] slobad23 (~slobad23@95.144.106.150) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:10] just add a DROP for output connection with destination port 22 ... [09:11] why drop them?I want the firewall to be able to do [09:11] My bad :) [09:12] rafu: Ok thanks, hopefully this wiki tells me why it can't contact the wireless access point :) [09:12] i'm cant really understand what are you trying to do .... as rob0 said... its not a good idea to play with output chain. [09:12] i think he's applying windows logic to iptables [09:13] i'd like that the firewall can use ssh and other can connect to the firewall via ssh [09:13] you filter output in windows to prevent bad apps from sending out data [09:14] that sentence doesn't make any sense [09:14] is there any point in firewalling all the boxes on your LAN if you already have a good firewall in place on your router? [09:14] hayaza (~damengkje@222.124.118.238) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi [09:15] dustybin, not if your lan is trusted [09:15] if i'm on a lan in a hotel, you bet i'd have a firewall on the pc [09:15] dustybin, it is learning pourpose only [09:15] if you have an open ap then you prolly want a firewall [09:16] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:16] its my personal home LAN [09:16] alessio , w8 a sec [09:16] shadowx, ok [09:17] alessio http://rlworkman.net/SELF-2009/ take a look at this ... [09:17] you'll get a good idea how does iptables work from this lecture :) [09:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:18] shadowx, ok thank you [09:19] rafu: thanks. i got my pc online [09:20] Ok folks, I have a little concern. I have to make a powerpoint presentation tomorrow, the topic is "a historial examination of linux". Anyone keywords? These are the ones I consider to implement yet: Origin Unix, Development of the kernel by Linus T., Implementation of GNU-Tools, FSF-doings, todays spread & distribution (w/ statistics and comparison w/ bsd, unix, win) [09:21] watch the movie Revolution OS before starting :) [09:21] Nice [09:22] That's exactly the topic I'm referring about :-) [09:22] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:22] so you're completely clueless and want to learn everything about the evolution of linux in 1 day? [09:23] Nahhhhh [09:23] nad on top of that, make a presentation? [09:23] shadowx: FWIW rworkman mentions my Rule of Thumb in that presentation. :) [09:23] I know very much about this topic [09:23] Using Linux since 13 years :P [09:23] But I'm just collecting some keywords [09:23] It's not easy to tell as much as possible 'bout GNU/Linux when you've only got ten minutes to speak [09:24] So I'm trying to collect the key happenings [09:24] And sort them, you know.. [09:24] if you are to talk about distros imho only yggdrasil , sls , Slackware , Debian and rhel are worth mentioning | historicaly speaking [09:25] Slackware will be mentioned and also Debian will be included. But I wanna mention the distribution thing in maximum two sentences else the distri-explanation will be to long [09:25] GNU, Cygnus, Linux kernel, Apache, Slackware, Netscape, rh on the market ... [09:25] fb|jean: I would start with the joke about airlines. http://webaugur.com/bibliotheca/field_stock/os-airlines.html [09:26] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] rob0: telling this joke will at least take 1:30 - 2:00 minutes [09:26] Not good :/ [09:28] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) joined ##slackware. [09:28] hehehe, that's a nice joke :))) [09:28] alessio (~alessio@host184-225-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [09:28] but its quite old now and should be allowed to rest [09:29] fb|jean ...a little fix to mine key happenings in lnx history: GNU, Cygnus, Linux kernel, Apache, SLS ,Slackware, Netscape, rh on the market ... [09:29] dagni (dagni@unaffiliated/dagni) joined ##slackware. [09:29] hello [09:30] shadowx: nice one, thx [09:30] shadowx: right, apache should be mentioned [09:31] yep ..is one of the big keysteps [09:31] berkleydb as well [09:31] madbear (~dude@c-6c2ae655.09-14-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:32] actually, don't forget gopher and email [09:32] Hm, it'll be hard to implement this all in a 10 minute presentation [09:32] I just can scratch the top [09:32] and i'd mention usenet, but i'd prefer that remained secret [09:32] huh ...this 'miro' app is really nice .. [09:32] swedala (~swedala@1-1-2-30a.gsn.gbg.bostream.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:32] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:33] usenet ain't secret anymore.. [09:33] I'd say it depends on the audience. If the audience are not "computer people" you would not want to talk about specific server packages. Talk to what THEY need. [09:33] its an open secret [09:33] fb|jean can you fight for 10 more minutes? [09:33] madbear (~dude@c-6c2ae655.09-14-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:33] oh leave the audience alone [09:33] shadowx: no :/ the following ten minutes are used for asking questions to me [09:33] 10 mins is more then enough [09:33] swedala (~swedala@1-1-2-30a.gsn.gbg.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [09:34] shadowx: I got 20 minutes. 10 minutes referring, 10 minutes getting asked [09:34] They use a browser and email, and maybe edit office documents. [09:34] fb|jean any windows talks before you? /if true: remove them :D/ [09:34] shadowx: nope :/ just me.... [09:34] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Good morning. [09:35] shadowx: it's a "abitur pruefung" which means it's the final exam for my school leaving examination [09:35] shadowx: only me and three auditors [09:35] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:36] and no more school after that? [09:36] cool [09:36] say the innernets was grown from a series of tubes left over from the oil industry [09:36] right :) [09:36] Skywise: that's it! [09:36] Skywise: that'll make me win [09:37] they'll be surprised you found out [09:37] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:37] 4 sure [09:38] hehe , or you can show there with an small black box with little red light on it .../just like in IT Crowd/ and tell them 'That's the internet' :) [09:38] I can show them my external hdd and say that I've backupped teh internetz [09:38] If anyone was here from yesterday night... [09:39] mancha, if you read this later.. it turns out that I think it has to do with language. I added Japanese and Arabic... [09:39] riza: the ppl from yesterday night r still drunk [09:39] ;_;... [09:39] I was there too! [09:42] If wicd says "could not contact the wireless access point" is that an issue with wicd configuration or the wireless router? [09:46] wireless router [09:47] do you have more than 1 wireless device, that you can verify the router with [09:48] Yes my iPod (this irc session) is on that router now [09:51] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Ok, so watching this docu "The Code" / "Codename Linux" seems to be a good idea [09:55] TClayton: Wicd shows the access point address as 00:23:69:EB:E8:F1, but the MAC address of the router ends in F0, not F1 [09:55] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:55] is there nearby wireless access [09:56] udev events never occur when I connect or disconnect an external monitor. [09:56] dChr (~dchr@freelancer.ceid.upatras.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:56] hello [09:56] It seems udev is not the solution [09:56] however ATTR{stats} changes according to the connection status. [09:56] ATTR{status} [09:56] ATTR{status}="connected" or "disconnected" [09:57] Is there any callout or callback that is called when ATTR{status} changes? [09:57] Not without passwords, TClayton. Only mine.. [09:57] i got heyu / x10 working on slackware :D [09:57] It is /sys/class/drm/card0-VGA-1 that has the attribute ATTR{status}. [09:57] Action: dustybin dims lights [09:58] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [09:59] hello :) [09:59] MikeSee: seems wicd is trying to connect to a different device [10:00] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [10:00] Nigromante (Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [10:01] TClayton: Can I change the access point it is trying to connect to anywhere ? [10:03] does the wicd manager not show your access point [10:05] Yes it shows 00:23:69:EB:E8:F1, but the router mac address is 00:23:69:EB:E8:F0 [10:06] Hm.. I don't think it's a good idea to post the mac address. [10:06] riza, why? [10:07] We can look it up and find out the manufacturer. So what? And who would care? [10:07] other than cloning issues ? [10:07] riza the router should be behind another mac address [10:08] It's behind another router [10:09] uva (as@111-240-237-16.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:14] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] go New Zealand go! [10:16] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] sahko++ [10:17] alisonken1home, I think the ease of cloning mac address is bad. [10:17] uva (as@111-240-226-135.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:17] TClayton: I tried making the router clone the address that wicd is looking for but t still did not connect [10:17] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] is there a way to make BASH PS1 show a chroot path [10:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] sahko: new zealand ftw [10:22] MikeSee: look at wireless-settings.conf see which mac is there [10:23] Akiraa (~Akiraaaa@79.112.47.93) joined ##slackware. [10:26] What is wireless-settings.conf ? [10:26] It's not in Slackware proper, and I don't see it in the wicd package. [10:27] sorry its may be /etc/wicd [10:30] The bssid ? [10:30] Oh nvm it has F1 in there [10:31] Action: slackie hi there \o [10:31] Should I just shutdown wicd change that file to the routers mac and restart wicd? [10:31] MikeSee: have you cleared the settings from wicd and run it again [10:31] MikeSee: yea [10:33] rob0: could it be this http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wicd a struggle for power between wicd and Slackware's rc.inet1 you think? [10:36] r0gers_ (~sixx@212.183.140.31) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Huh? You said, "MikeSee: look at wireless-settings.conf ..." and I am asking you why why you said that, because I cannot find a wireless-settings.conf file in the Slackware extra/wicd package. I thought maybe you knew something I did not. [10:37] It's generated by the daemon [10:38] That file is in /etc/wicd and it's empty now. Now it tries to obtain an ip and fails [10:40] ohhhh okay, I am looking on a non-installed wicd package [10:40] Now wicd sees no networks mine or otherwise [10:42] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D609.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:52] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.145) joined ##slackware. [10:52] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:55] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi [10:56] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:57] im thinking about buying these [10:57] http://tengossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sandals-and-socks.jpg [10:57] whoops wrong chan [10:57] hate when that happens :-) [10:58] xD [10:58] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] bgeddy (~bgeddy@91.84.218.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:01] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) joined ##slackware. [11:01] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:02] How come I have ## between file names? [11:02] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:05] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] vieq (~vieq@metabug/vieq) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Hello, I am trying to compile the VMWare kernel modules, I just can not find where kernel headers are [11:09] how about kernel-headers package ? [11:09] jonsmith1982 (~jon@89.240.225.232) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:09] /usr/include ? [11:09] mario: I installed it, & will be looking now shadowx [11:09] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:10] vieq, easy way to find something on slack is to look at /var/log/packages/ [11:10] got C header files matching your kernel were not found! [11:10] shadowx: right [11:11] for example , if you want to see where the kernel-header package droped the files , u can just cat /var/log/packages/kernel-header-* and see all files included in the package [11:12] Ohhhhhh folks I'm so unmotivated to do this presentation :( [11:12] unmotived ? why? [11:19] riza, is that drive still giving you trouble? [11:19] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [11:19] shonudo, yep.. [11:19] A file has that, #filename_example# but I suspect it has to do with my use of emacs. [11:19] so you're seeing odd characters in filenames, etc? [11:20] No, just #filename#. [11:20] lol [11:20] okay [11:20] that's not so bac [11:20] bad* [11:20] Ya, I don't remember if it has to do with emacs tho. [11:20] btw, did you backup your data (just in case)? [11:20] vieq__ (~vieq@41.238.152.60) joined ##slackware. [11:21] shadowx: to much to think about :) [11:21] vieq (~vieq@metabug/vieq) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:21] Nick change: vieq__ -> vieq [11:21] vieq (~vieq@41.238.152.60) left irc: Changing host [11:21] vieq (~vieq@metabug/vieq) joined ##slackware. [11:21] zerouno (4e0d1eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.13.30.186) joined ##slackware. [11:22] shonudo, I usually do... [11:23] i'd just have a backup on the off chance that it's actually your drive (though the more i thought about it, the less likely it's a bad drive) [11:23] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-15-238.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:28] zerouno (4e0d1eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.13.30.186) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:28] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Ya I personally think it might not be a bad drive but.. still... [11:29] dinked partition table, something like that, at worst [11:29] or a problem with dolphin [11:29] Most likely dolphin. [11:29] I think partition table being bad is equally bad. [11:30] worth figuring out; i tend to agree with mancha, things don't "just happen" [11:30] and on the flipside, they don't just unhappen [11:31] I dunno then... :| [11:31] ;_;... [11:32] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:33] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] depends on how aggressive you want to be... i don't know, perhaps move the files off the drive, format > partition > reload files [11:34] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:34] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Yeah.. :( [11:34] i don't know what i'd do; i think i wouldn't trust the drive until i knew what was wrong [11:34] Good thing I usually make backups... [11:36] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.158.127) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi [11:36] it's just interesting that the problem only seems to exist in dolphin... [11:36] Ya. :| [11:37] if you go commandline, and navigate your drive, everything looks right? [11:37] Everything looks fine. [11:37] And works fine. I can play music, read txts, etc. [11:37] i mean, you get from dir to dir, and the filenames are all good? [11:37] Yep! [11:37] one last thought: you've mentioned music files... this isn't a tagging problem, is it? [11:38] No, I don't tag them. [11:38] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-244.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] just mentioned it because i've tagged stuff only to open it in a music manager/player and find filenames and directories that were gibberish [11:42] Oh. [11:42] I found out the gibberish is from emacs. [11:42] I just went in there and asked. :D [11:42] sbs (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:43] mfd_ (~mfd@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] mfd_ (~mfd@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Changing host [11:43] mfd_ (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [11:47] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Heya,folks [11:50] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:51] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Do you use slackware in production environments? [11:53] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:54] Herman (~Hermannn@85.226.80.140) joined ##slackware. [11:57] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [11:57] matchs (~matchs@187.1.110.33) joined ##slackware. [11:58] who,akiraa? [11:58] droog (~navi@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:58] rahulrp (~rahul@p57B048C4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] MLanden: as opposed to CentOS, for instance [11:59] Akiraa, no...just on a personal level [12:01] bgeddy (~bgeddy@91.84.218.129) joined ##slackware. [12:01] hi all, how do I mount ntfs such that all files have permissions for normal owners, now all files are owned by root [12:03] http://slackwiki.org/NTFS-3G [12:05] See also the filesystem-specific options in the mount(8) man page. [12:06] http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [12:10] if i understand correctly fmask and dmask are file and dir masks, right? [12:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) joined ##slackware. [12:14] guys any one have successfully installed VMware Workstation 6.5 over SlackWare [12:15] vieq, i am using virtualbox [12:16] man its hot [12:16] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [12:16] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:16] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [12:19] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) joined ##slackware. [12:20] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. 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[12:38] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [12:41] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.105) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:42] r0gers_ (~sixx@212.183.140.31) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:43] Any hints how to make a good ppt presentation? maximum word count per sheet etc.? [12:45] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:47] the best way is the open source way, look at other examples and copy what you like and avoid what you don't [12:48] kk [12:48] fb|jean: use latex beamer class they are great [12:49] if you want a nice example i could send one to you its easy to use like html [12:51] motzmo (~AxBVGDEYO@bl9-172-161.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:51] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:51] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:52] i have these files with accented 'e's, what to do? [12:52] matchs (~matchs@187.1.110.33) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:52] what do you want to do? [12:53] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) joined ##slackware. [12:53] move/copy/ whatever in extended ascii is 130 i think [12:54] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.46) joined ##slackware. [12:56] cp 'beginning... [12:56] or just quote and copy&paste [12:57] yup, bash will not let you down with tab or glob [12:57] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [12:57] yes but theres other files with same beginning, anyways ill just copy/paste [12:58] haqe19: tab tab [12:58] anyone knows how to convert 96bit tiffs to usable 32bits/16bits [12:59] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [12:59] beginning*end ... globs [12:59] rahulrp, convert? [12:59] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] m3tti: what's a latex beamer class? [13:00] m3tti: i have to do it as a ppt presentation coz' this is what i wanted to use and now i can't change the medium [13:00] convert ? how? using the imagemagick thing, it does not work, or i do not know how to use, i cannot find documentation to downgrade the tiffs [13:00] how is "coz'" a more efficient way of spelling "because"? [13:01] saves typing ananke [13:01] fb|jean: latex is like html you put in a file some cryptic code and get realy nice presentation or text file [13:01] just take a look [13:01] rahulrp: by what, two characters? not to mention, you have to use shift+key combo in that. overall, quite silly [13:02] oh I am so sorry ananke [13:02] you could use the beamer class to create pdf files which could be presented via a pdf reader [13:02] iceheart (0@120.195.171.72) joined ##slackware. [13:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:02] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [13:02] and what difference does it make if I do not do it dat way ananke ?? [13:02] m3tti: i know what latex is but I can't switch from a ppt to a latex presentation [13:03] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:03] m3tti: or can latex export to ppt? [13:03] rahulrp: i see your ghetto choice of 'dat' over 'that'. i think i know where this is heading [13:03] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.17.153) joined ##slackware. [13:03] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.17.153) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] no it can't [13:03] I also see your ghettish non capitalized "i", I see your self esteem, I do not want to discuss, sorry to the channel for this discussion! [13:03] but maybe there was a tool which could convert it to doc files or something maybe [13:04] i'll take a look [13:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-162-106.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] rahulrp: oddly enough, my self esteem has nothing to do with it. thanks for playing [13:04] Action: rahulrp ignores [13:04] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) joined ##slackware. [13:05] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:05] yay [13:06] huh [13:06] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.17.153) joined ##slackware. [13:08] rahulrp, hmmm, maybe you can try converting them to a different format, say png or something loseless, and then back to tiff? [13:09] when i convert to jpeg, i get a blank image, all whitewashed, if i open the image in gimp, i can see complete image full of alpha channel [13:10] this image was created by hugin, after doing a multiple exposure panorama [13:11] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-122-162-106.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:14] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-36-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:19] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.9.182) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:19] Aidar-Nagato (admin@94.41.33.87.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [13:20] i can access my netgear router web interface on firefox, however, when i try and access it from links or lynx, the password prompt comes up, but after it just says 'Loading file..' [13:20] rahulrp, can't the hugin itself save the image in other "compatible" format? [13:20] I see it's free and opensource frontend to a free PanoTools ? [13:21] there are 2 options, tiff and exr, and I saved many hdr outputs as tiffs, and I am stuck now, using "identify tiffimagename" shows that it is 32 bit tiff, and i converted it to 8 bit tiff, with same resulting thing, all whitewashed [13:23] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:24] dustybin: it's possible that interface simply is not going to work on a text-only browser [13:25] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [13:25] dustybin: had the same issue with a router recently. [13:25] thumbs, what version of postfix do you run, experimental? [13:26] jeev: why would I do that? [13:26] i think it was rob0 who does [13:26] dustybin: a pfsense box, specifically. [13:26] i'm thinking 2.7.2 rc 1 since i updated my slack system [13:27] jeev: I run the latest stable. [13:27] thumbs: router / firewall web interfaces should be designed to work on text only browsers! [13:28] VoraZBR (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] rahulrp, then I am out of ideas, sorry, you can probably go and ask in their forums, i found this one, might be useful: http://www.autopano.net/forum/ [13:30] hmmmmmmmm [13:30] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:30] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.33.87.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:31] thanks Urgleflogue , I will raise a query [13:31] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [13:31] arfon (~arfon@148.245.248.122) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Hello ppl [13:32] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] hi =) [13:33] I'm down in Mexico now (I an a resort) and I am connected to the hotel's unsecured wireless... [13:33] o.0 [13:33] :O [13:33] the mexican police are on the way [13:33] I connected at 1am last light and tried to ssh to my machines and got the "the RSA key... Blah blah blah... Man-in-the-middle attack" warning [13:34] Prag, :) [13:34] nice :P [13:35] Well, the hotel is BIG and has several access points so I tred all of them and they all returned that message when I treid to ssh.... [13:35] What do yo guys think? [13:35] yo= you [13:35] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.33.87.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:35] Razec (~razec@187.34.22.107) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Should I clear my RSA key info on my machines and assume it's just a fluke of this network? [13:36] Maybe it's a proxy, but I didn't know that SSH proxy was possible. [13:37] rahulrp (rahul@p57B048C4.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:37] arfon: why would your machines' key have changed? this looks serious [13:38] Well, they have about 7 access points when I scan and they all give me the same IP when I connect so I don't [italics] think [/italics] it's a guest trying to fish what he can... [13:38] My keys would NOT have changed [13:38] why would the keys have changed? these are your machines, right? [13:39] My machines = yes [13:39] They didn't change. [13:39] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:39] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] I'm just not sure if there's some networking setup that I wasn't aware of.... [13:39] dont trust it arfon [13:40] if the keys haven't changed and you get this message, it means there's something in the middle [13:40] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-145.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] This blows, I can't go anywhere where I have to log in... (e.g. my email) [13:40] at least, you know [13:40] arfon: if you trust this channel, you could give somebody the ip of your machine, and ask them to post RSA fingerprint [13:40] I was afraid of this. [13:40] id say hop on another unsecured network and see if you have the same issue [13:40] to test [13:40] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] then simply compare the fingerprint they get with the one you get [13:40] yoyoned (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:41] if it's different, you have reasons for concern [13:41] I mean, there's something fishy and if you hadn't used ssh, you might not have known [13:41] arfon: of course, it's also possible you're using a different IP or hostname to reach your known machines [13:41] actually, nevermind. that would result in a different error [changed vs new] [13:42] Well I AM using a differnt IP, I'm in Mexico now [13:42] arfon: not source, but destination. either way, it would be a different error [13:42] no, a different ip you're connecting *to*, not *from* [13:42] My work station that I like to ssh into is using DYNDNS and is NATed behind a mrouter with port forwarded [13:43] Is the name resolving properly? [13:43] arfon: does other connectivity to the internet work ? can you view web pages, in your browser ? [13:43] arfon: but as ananke said, you'd get a message it's new, not that it has changed [13:43] BUT, I checked the IP and it didn't change in the 4 hours between when I logged out at home and when I logged in down here. [13:43] Yes web pages do work, with a weird twist..... [13:44] www.google.com ALWAYS goes to www.googlw.com.mx [13:44] I can't get to www.google.com [13:44] arfon: welcome to google [13:44] :( [13:44] arfon: you haven't been out of the country often, have you? :) [13:44] .com.mx = mexico google [13:44] I'm chatting to you guys on the connecion now. [13:44] spidertux (~spidertux@host121-176-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:44] arfon: that's not the point i'm making [13:45] I have, just not in the past 7 years [13:45] its moves a bit slower and sometimes returns lazy search results [13:45] arfon: google in each country redirects you to a specific google subdomain [13:45] some hotel networks seem to be unsecured, allowing you to connect to the accesspoint, but if you try to browse the net, you get only "a login page on the router/gate" asking for a valid prepaid code. maybe your ssh request got rerouted to such gateway. [13:45] yes, bender, it is a bit slower but, I'm not sure that it's just not a bad wireless connection.... [13:45] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.17.153) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:46] arfon, lol that was a joke :P [13:46] slow and lazy ... [13:46] lol? [13:46] No, no "please log in" pages come up by default, you go straight to the internet [13:46] Bender, Wut? [13:46] :) [13:47] Funny, when I connected to the internet here, the data does come across wearing little sombreros [13:47] an slepping next to a building [13:47] sleeping [13:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:47] yes! [13:47] :D [13:48] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED5EE7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:48] <-slow today. Wearing a sombrero [13:48] and can't spell sombrero [13:49] Jimmen (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:49] So, what's the consensus..... Ignore the arnings or not? [13:49] warnings [13:50] hop on another network [13:50] see if you get the same warnings [13:50] until then take them for reals [13:50] I do [13:51] do you guys allow your router / firewall web interface to be accessable from WAN ? [13:51] All of the connections here do the same thing [13:52] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Can I PM one of you guys and try ananke's suggestion about checking the key? [13:53] Shuren (~Devilman@host33-171-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:53] dustybin, not here. [13:53] [13:54] Dustybin, NO I dont [13:54] VNC into my network then into the router from inside my network. [13:54] is it really dangerous to allow WAN access? [13:54] no, i do not allow wan access [13:54] yes [13:54] because tcp/ip is not an authenticated protocol [13:54] How good is your router? [13:55] netgear, it runs linux [13:55] its easy enough to spoof ips if you filter by them [13:55] ok [13:55] you shouldn't normally need to configure your router remotely anyway [13:55] I don't have a router/firewall web interface. [13:55] sometimes it handy [13:55] more times its risky [13:55] ok [13:56] But I do have ssh open on the outside. [13:56] Dusty, you can't VNC into a machine? [13:56] nope [13:56] not from WAN [13:56] ssh only [13:56] I'd fix that... [13:56] Action: dustybin adds rob0 to ssh open list [13:56] :P [13:57] I leave VNC server off until I need it then I ssh in and turn on VNCserver then I connect to the routers and stuff from there.... Then I kill the VNC server when I'm done [13:57] dustybin: uhmm, so ssh -Y to it, then VNC from inside to your router [13:57] or whatever [13:58] ananke: good idea [13:58] Soooo, anyone? Pm check my key? [13:58] vieq (vieq@metabug/vieq) left ##slackware. [13:59] arfon: you can pm me, but beware that under normal circumstances you probably shouldn't be doing it with strangers on irc [13:59] I know. [13:59] It could be worse ... it could be jeev! [14:00] now you're just talking about bottom of the barrel [14:00] I'm stuck here for a week and I REALLY need to get some things done [14:00] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:01] mu mommy always did tell me not to talk to strangers [14:01] Jimmen (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [14:03] arfon: well, that settles it. it's not the isp [14:03] raela: what are you doing here at all? [14:03] arfon: seriously. i'm done in PM [14:03] WHEW [14:04] Thanks a million. as always, I don't care what the Debian guys say, you gays are OK! [14:04] Me too [14:04] gay=guys BTW [14:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [14:04] freudian typo? [14:04] (but you have to admit, that's a funny typo) [14:05] i'm sure the debian gays are also ok [14:05] haha indeed [14:05] They like their Symbolic Lnks too much Ananke [14:05] lniks even [14:05] LINKS [14:06] Urchlay: well, I never said I listened to her, or that I was smart :/ [14:06] The strange thing is, in qwerty, A and U are quite far apart, and even in Dvorak, there is 3 keys between them. [14:06] Emeau_ (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-22-15.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] can you even type "xterm" on a debian box to fire up an xterm, or does it have to be "x-terminal-emulator" and cross your fingers and hope the symlinks point to the one you want? [14:07] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Um, er, um [14:09] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.9.182) left irc: Quit: bye.... [14:09] I'm using a Dvorwerty keyboard, key layout is COMPLETELY different [14:09] au, yep, right next to each other [14:09] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-101-16.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:11] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:11] Well guys, thanks for the help.... The wife wants me to take her sailing now, so I have to go. [14:11] :) [14:11] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Huve fan. [14:11] The things I do to make her happy (sigh) [14:11] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Client Quit [14:11] HA !!!!! [14:11] Funny Rob! [14:11] later man [14:11] arfon (~arfon@148.245.248.122) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:13] Razec (~razec@187.34.22.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:15] pnq (asdf@ACA2D40A.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] VoraZBR (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[14:27] images are often copyrighted, which means you cannot reproduce w/o the holder's permission [14:27] but it's illegal to use ppt-presentation -_- [14:28] ask a lawyer what's legal, or ask the owner of the image's copyright for permission. [14:28] or, find a public domain image/clipart repository [14:28] flickr.com shows cc pictures [14:28] i'll use them [14:29] cc-nc iirc [14:29] or take your chances :) [14:30] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D609.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:31] Herman (~Hermannn@85.226.80.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:34] pnq (asdf@ACA2D40A.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:34] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [14:40] spidertux (~spidertux@host121-176-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:40] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D609.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:04] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/06/encrypt-web-https-everywhere-firefox-extension greate firefox plugin [15:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [15:07] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.63) joined ##slackware. [15:18] w4lk (w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:20] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] m3tti, all the plug-in does is change http to https [15:23] thats pretty coo though [15:23] thx for the post m3tti [15:23] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:26] there is a greasemonkey script for that too. [15:27] coo [15:28] pnq (asdf@ACA226FD.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] alessio (~alessio@host225-238-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:33] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] volk (~volk@ool-ad030806.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-145.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [15:37] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) joined ##slackware. [15:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Where can I download uvesafb? I cannot find it anywhere. I want to set my terminal resolution to 1920x1200. [15:43] volk: which graphic card? [15:43] ATI Radeon [15:43] its not in the kernel/ [15:44] ? [15:44] volk: which slackware version? [15:44] 13.1 [15:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-36-94.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:44] I typed in "uvesafb" and nothing happened. [15:44] which card model? [15:45] 4890 [15:45] KMS sould work with it and it's better than uvesafb [15:45] don't you already have a pretty high resolution? [15:45] I want the high resolution in the terminal. [15:46] Any ideas? [15:46] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [15:47] have you tried setting your vga mode to ask in lilo.conf and trying the available resolutions? [15:47] do you have vga=normal in your lilo.conf? [15:47] yes [15:47] no [15:47] i have vga=893 i believe [15:47] ill try normal [15:47] use vga=normal , you should get KMS [15:47] what is KMS? [15:47] well, I'm not 100% sure since I always recompile my kernels, can anyone confirm? [15:48] anyway, worst case, a command-line switch to the kernel will do [15:48] be back in a bit [15:48] gotta reboot [15:48] volk (~volk@ool-ad030806.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:48] with KMS, the kernel will handle some of the graphic operations and that will give you a higher res and a faster console [15:48] gah [15:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] adrien, with ATI do you append in lilo? [15:50] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-25-114.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:50] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:50] nothing special, but again, I don't use the default kernels so maybe I have an option set there [15:51] using custom kernel myself [15:51] volk (~volk@ool-ad030806.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] ok, no luck. It still has pretty bad resolution. [15:52] this is with hte vga=normal [15:52] a default kernel has CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS unset [15:53] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:53] dChr: what should I do now then? [15:54] volk: I have no experience setting KMS on ATi cards. Nevertheless, I recommend recompiling the kernel with CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS enabled. [15:54] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [15:55] ok [15:55] how long does it take to compile a kernel on a core duo 3.2 GHz machine--approx? [15:55] couple of months [15:56] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D609.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:57] you should learn how to add an image to test with lilo so you can go back to the working kernel if the new is broken [15:57] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-132-218-5.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] vga=873 gives me 1680x1050x24-bit, you can always boot with "vga=ask" and scan for modes. [15:58] ok [15:58] ah okay, will try that [15:58] you said you tried that [15:58] when i said that [15:58] not ask [15:59] rebooting [15:59] volk (~volk@ool-ad030806.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:59] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] can you get 32bit? [15:59] um, maybe this is 32, checking ... [16:01] vesafb: mode is 1680x1050x32, linelength=6720, pages=1 [16:01] cool [16:02] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:02] Skywise, lol...couple of months....with 128mb stick? [16:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hehe [16:02] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] the console is 210x65, amazing, and quite useful for me with screen 4.1 (from git), which has vertical split. [16:03] rob0, terminus font? [16:04] yeah, i do like my fbconsole, its why i don't even use x on my boxes that are on my kvm [16:04] I still need X for some things, but I do a lot in console. [16:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:12] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:21] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-15-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:28] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Nick change: Naraku -> superGear [16:30] Herman (~Hermannn@85.226.80.140) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:34] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) joined ##slackware. [16:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:37] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [16:41] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:41] alessio (~alessio@host225-238-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:46] hi! I upgraded from slackware 13 to 13.1 without wiping everything clean. Some code of mine complains "application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.4.1, is running with png.c from libpng-1.2.35". I had both installed. So I removepkg'ed the older and recompiled, but no help. [16:46] you will need to recompile the app [16:46] Any ideas on how to fix? Are my packages in a jumble now? [16:46] I did all of autoreconf, ./configure and make again [16:47] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [16:47] is your program packaged so that it could be removed cleanly? [16:47] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] heh, maybe not :). My program isn't packaged at all [16:48] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] I'm just compiling, and running from the source dir [16:48] ah& [16:48] did you make clean before recompile? [16:48] yes [16:49] 13.1 includes both libpng14 and libpng12 [16:49] ohh [16:49] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.63) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] they're part of the same package (libpng) [16:50] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] thats not how my packages are layed out [16:50] it specifically shows 1.4.2 [16:50] but you are correct sahko [16:51] Aldaron: how is your autoconf looking for the libpng version ? [16:51] libpng is braindead. the dev doesn't understand majors, minors, builds, and versions. [16:51] Allright. The 1.4.2 package does include the 1.2 version too - but in addition, I had the 1.2 package installed, so maybe three versions ;) [16:51] the same could be said about the linux kernel mancha :p [16:51] sking, no it couldn't [16:52] have you read what linus thinks of version numbering? [16:52] sking: hm, dunno - it could be a problem with the way this source uses autoconf. A friend switched our project to autoconf just now ;) [16:53] pnq (asdf@ACA226FD.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:53] if its using libpng-conf its symlinked to the 1.4.2 conf binary [16:53] you may need to call libpng12-config specifically if it doesn't already [16:54] sking: would you happen to know how I could check that? "grep libpng *" doesn't catch anything [16:55] okay, maybe our scheme is bugged and I should learn this :P [16:55] hmm, that would have been my suggestoin [16:55] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [16:59] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:59] asarch (~asarch@187.132.132.196) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Nick change: bgs000 -> bgs100 [17:04] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:06] mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory [17:06] why doesnt slackware ship with that? [17:07] te0xx (~info-AT-g@host20-125-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:07] on slack you use mkdosfs [17:08] thanks :D [17:08] does Slackware deviate from the standards? [17:09] VoraZBR (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Depends on what you accept as the standard [17:09] no prob dusty [17:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:10] te0xx (~info-AT-g@host20-125-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] i bet mkdosfs was before mkfs.vfat [17:10] Is alienBob around here? [17:10] ... [17:11] Action: dustybin feels excited [17:11] im now rsyncing a slack build onto a usb stick [17:11] i was reading http://pthree.org/2010/01/04/does-debian-deviate-from-standards-or-upstream/ (all around decent blog) the other day when i was searching for info about debian's cron [17:12] spidertux (~spidertux@host121-176-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:14] ftr debian's cron package has a -113 build number attached ^_^ [17:14] gramulhao_ (~gramulhao@c-76-110-248-244.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] alienBOB: can I ask you something in pv? [17:15] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-72.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Khratos: you can ask in pm but I will not guarantee an answer [17:16] Srbo_ (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] gramulhao (~gramulhao@c-76-110-248-244.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:17] Nick change: gramulhao_ -> gramulhao [17:18] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:18] uuum... I'll better do it here, as I'm still not very familiar with this 'irsii' stuff [17:19] Is there a way I could get the *.php files of slackware.com website in order to translate/and use them in slackware-es.com ? [17:20] I ask you because you have contact with the slackware team [17:21] Khratos: You will need to use the contact stuff on slackware.com for that [17:21] Believe me, I've done a couple of times already :/ [17:22] I've done it [17:22] You will probably not get the php code, because it is backed with a SQL database and the php is not public either [17:23] My thoughts exactly. [17:23] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:23] Perhaps you could send an email asking if they could put your site on their "Links"-link tho, tho you will have to create your own website. [17:24] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:24] who knows pat might be less secretive about the php (thats weird anyways) if it is for a site whose purpose is to expand slack's userbase [17:25] i'd just email him Khratos... [17:25] He did that several times mancha [17:25] I dont see why he would share it tho, whats to share anyway? Most of the stuff on that site seems like pure HTML. Not so much dynamic content... [17:25] oh, then i'd shut up about it! [17:26] if you emailed him and he didn't agree then stop asking! :) [17:26] You won't get an answer about getting anything that is not in the slackware tree Khratos [17:26] theres http://github.com/slackware/slackware_website [17:26] thats only what you see as the resulting document, the html is generated by php [17:28] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [17:28] what's there sahko? [17:28] and you wouldn't have to translate the whole site, just snippets of text used in the templates [17:29] I just wanted to get sure to have the exact version, and translate it [17:29] dont seem like much [17:32] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] i had predicted ff 3.6.4 this weekend. talk about macha fail++ [17:35] francog (francog@pdpc/supporter/professional/francog) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Srbo_ (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:37] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [17:37] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:40] fb|jean (champus@unaffiliated/champus) left ##slackware. [17:41] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:43] mancha, shouldn't be too long,anyways [17:45] there've been 7 rc's i was convinced we'd get a release this weekend :> [17:45] ff for mac seems to be getting worse and worse [17:45] opera 10.60's rc or beta? [17:46] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:46] no idea, i don't track closed-source credit-card-number-stealing applications :P [17:47] MLanden, 10.10 is current [17:47] 10.60 is coming [17:48] shonudo, ok [17:48] are you using 10.10 now? [17:48] Jdif (~Jdif@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:49] shonudo, no..just recall reading 'bout one of their releases over the weekend [17:49] i've been using chromium exclusively for a while now [17:50] every version release changes something like cookie management in a way that doesn't make sense, and then the next release changes it back [17:50] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:50] i wonder what's up with that at opera [17:50] i haven't tried chromium yet... do you like it? [17:50] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] i do like it, and it is getting better. i particularly like the html video support [17:51] html5 video support, that is [17:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:51] are you flash-free yet? [17:52] i am totally flash free though i have the plugin around just in case [17:53] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:55] hmmm...... [17:56] : 0 [17:56] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:58] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] youtube, ? [18:00] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:00] they have most (all?) things encoded in h264 in qt containers and busy encoding to vp8 in webm containers [18:01] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Client Quit [18:01] so you don't really need flash for youtube at all. [18:01] interesting [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] asarch (~asarch@187.132.132.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:02] i use gnash, i just cant trust binary blobs [18:02] like adobe flash [18:03] gnash was a nice idea in theory, but it unfortunately turned out to be a pile of doo doo [18:04] it lags too much in terms of flash specs to be a viable alternative. plus it is constantly playing catch-up with the scripting protocols. so at best you can use it on older stuff. [18:04] oh and it takes like 5 yeas to compile :) [18:04] *years [18:05] if your not flash dependent it's ok [18:06] what about silverlight dependent? lol [18:06] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hahaha [18:06] mancha do you have a url or file for chromium to dl or build so i can try it out [18:06] also, for youtube, there are various programs to pull the videos off of youtube so they can be played with ordinary video players [18:06] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/downloads/list [18:06] ?? [18:08] there are some very good greasemonkey scripts and the get_flash_videos + rtmpdump [18:09] rafu, have you played with swfdec? [18:09] buzzin, lemme get that for you one sec. [18:09] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:10] yea, but the project is almost abandoned, and gnash has gone better [18:10] buzzin: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/50328/chrome-linux.zip [18:10] :) thx [18:11] that's if you don't mind a compiled version. i can get your the source tree url too but that requires a pretty massive dl of source code [18:12] I'll check that out also [18:12] if you don't mind [18:13] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [18:13] can't find the stuff on different computer. it's on their site thought. [18:13] just go surf there and you'll find the source code. [18:14] zerouno (4e0d1eba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.13.30.186) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:14] ok, thanks [18:15] have you tried Iron? it's a chromium fork that resolves the privacy problems from google's browsers [18:15] here we go.... [18:16] i tried it awhile ago, was fairly unstable.. i do hope the project suceeds tho [18:17] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] and webm for the win =P [18:17] are there still privacy issues on chrome/chromium? [18:17] well.. google [18:17] as in.. it's google [18:18] Herman (~Hermannn@85.226.80.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:18] mercfate (~fate@201-75-98-251-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:18] hi [18:18] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:18] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:18] anyone have zoneminder working on slackware? [18:19] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:21] phrag, yes but i am specifically talking about identifiers used when the thing was in alpha [18:21] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] anyone have zoneminder working on slackware? [18:21] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i was under the impression the identifiers were removed from chromium - after all the source is open and people were upset enough to force removal. [18:22] no idea what happens inside chrome (google says it is chromium's code plus some branding but you never know) [18:22] mercfate, slava_dp has, but no idea when he will be back [18:22] i tried a lot of things [18:23] but i dont know what is this problem [18:23] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:24] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:24] what google really means is "chrome is just chromium, but with some spy feautures that you may like" [18:24] you're very jaded [18:25] try to go 1 month without using www.google.com and then blast them like you do [18:26] have fun with www.askjeeves.com :P~ [18:26] lol [18:26] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:26] or bing? lol [18:26] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:26] altavista used to be good, but they went crazy all of a sudden [18:26] haha XD [18:27] bring back gopher! [18:27] gopher rocked [18:27] i used to use northernlight [18:27] especially when you needed drivers [18:27] put in the file and version and bam, you can get it from around the world [18:28] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:28] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Action: MLanden had to check if lycos is still steamin' next to dogpile...yup! [18:29] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:29] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [18:32] as barney stinson would have said "Challenge accepted!" i will not use google in a month [18:32] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] mfillpot (mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:33] what happens if you do ? [18:33] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:33] they have to use aol for a month instead of the internet [18:34] well, i will find a way to punish myself [18:35] with a whip or something [18:35] like opus dei [18:35] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7FCB0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:35] something like that [18:35] yeah wrap a chain with spikes around your leg [18:36] brazil wiiner again? [18:36] winner* [18:37] mercfate (~fate@201-75-98-251-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [18:37] pnq (~asdf@AC81C5B7.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] mrpwnage (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vuwjaysylxayylyp) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:42] ShKoDrAnI (~ardit24@cpe-95-107-197-219.wifi.tring.al) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE255.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [18:45] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:45] mrpwnage (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-cxrndvmmffqsstnc) joined ##slackware. [18:47] rafu thanks for the iron tip [18:48] but i can't find a reasonable nice link to their source [18:48] its hosted on rapidshare or something [18:48] system load rises up when changing keyboard layouts in kde with kxkb [18:49] what can be the reason? [18:49] yep, which is unreasonable. it is also a 4-parter. and i think rapidshare limits free users to some max bytes [18:50] maybe you should considered getting a premium acount, after all, for your privacy its probably worth it :p [18:50] -ed [18:50] that's f***k lame, host a source code in rapidshare, and 4 parts [18:51] nah [18:51] i just got the 32 bit binary [18:51] i don't want to register [18:52] droog (~navi@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [18:52] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] rafu, but if you're very worried about privacy, running a 3rd party hack binary blob sucks :/ [18:53] and i'm not registering on somethig like rapidshare, so that priject's out. [18:54] yea a know, i was testing it [18:55] at least they provide source though, chrome plus (http://www.chromeplus.org/) seems to only provide binaries [18:57] its much easier to share source in rapidshare than say sourceforge [18:58] maybe chromium si a non-copyleft license and it's therefore they only provide a binary, because chromeplus is propietary [18:58] im just speculating [18:58] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] here's an interesting story about iron, troubling though: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html [19:02] interesting [19:02] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [19:04] a lot of visitor -> a lot of clicka > a lot of money ;) [19:04] heh [19:04] spidertux (~spidertux@host121-176-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:06] ok, so lets see if anyone can figure this one out, mythtv and apache are both slow/broken, they seem to have one problem in common, that is that neither can consistently respond in a timely fashion to the tcp connections made to it from localhost, DNS seems fine... [19:07] Inacio (~none@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:07] rafu g'luck on your google 30-day fast! let me know how it goes - bbl [19:07] Inacio (~none@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:07] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] is it time to switch to a .34 kernel? [19:07] Alt_of_Ctrl (~none@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:08] edman007: have you look at the error log? [19:08] SunTzu, do you need one? [19:08] SunTzu, well i'm already on .35-rc3 [19:08] hi dive, i duno; i've been glancing at kernel news alil more frquently but cant decide [19:08] oke d [19:08] ok ed [19:09] lol your running an rc kernel and wonder why the tcp stack is scrwed? lol [19:09] sking, nothing in there...mythtv sometimes gives an error saying the other end didn't respond, so it closed the connection and then it got a response [19:09] SunTzu, well if everything is working then why switch [19:09] 2.6.24.5 [19:09] oi [19:09] i've had some gremlins come and go recently [19:09] sking, i don't think it is related... [19:10] how have you ruled it out? [19:10] anyone have a problem in Xchat on SLackware 13.1, the Connect button appears like C_onnect [19:10] sking me? [19:10] edman007 [19:10] k [19:11] Alt_of_Ctrl, there is a connect button? [19:11] in Xchat [19:11] SunTzu, if you have issues that seem kernel related you can always test out a newer kernel. Just keep the old one there, and in lilo, so you can fallback to it. [19:11] Alt_of_Ctrl, screenshot? [19:11] nods but it's such a pain in the ass [19:11] why not use { irssi } ? [19:11] Alt_of_Ctrl: seems so [19:11] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:11] sking, well, not yet... [19:11] BP{k}, it is a bug? [19:12] i just spend 2 weeks getting this kernel perfect... [19:12] edman007: start by falling back to a stable kernel... [19:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:12] especially when there is network connectivity problems, the kernel is extremely involved [19:13] Alt_of_Ctrl, yes it's the same here. [19:13] Alt_of_Ctrl: it could be, no idea. I never use xchat. I just checked. [19:13] hrm...alright, i'll screw around with that... [19:13] mancha: good thing to know about iron and google, thanks [19:13] Alt_of_Ctrl: butit might be an upstream bug. [19:13] i mean, it may not be the kernel& but id suggest using the best known stable version of the kernel before proceeding& have to look at all possibilities [19:13] i was just thinking when the last time i actually used, x-chat [19:13] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:14] long time ago [19:14] rafu (slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [19:15] indeed [19:15] I used it in windows [19:15] although it is easy to create alais [19:17] ? in windows i wasn't aware of it being available without paying for it [19:17] :0 [19:17] yeah there's a free one [19:17] it expires now, IIRC [19:17] it is open source [19:17] it's nag-free for 30 days [19:18] hmm dunno it was years ago I used it [19:18] ahhahaha , that shows how long it's been for me [19:19] did you mean, MIRc? [19:19] the price of windows depends on which distribution channel you use [19:19] http://www.silverex.org/news/ I think this is it [19:19] I just recall that someone ported xchat and made it totally free [19:20] why not use bitchx in an xterm [19:20] I use irssi thanks [19:20] askhader (~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Hello I've installed the broadcom-sta slackbuild. Does this automatically insmod wl.ko? [19:20] i liked, bitchx [19:21] Skywise: perhaps because bitchx was dropped from Slackware? [19:21] about the google discussion before... you know, google is great, but what i find frustrating is that they have been stagnating for years now. [19:21] butt don't use it either [19:21] askhader, you tried 'lsmod' to see? [19:21] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: eelriver [19:21] after all these years, it's *still* not possible to search with special characters [19:21] like slashes [19:21] or whatever [19:21] BP{k}, i wouldn't know i install from source [19:21] Azalyn: yeah, catering to the masses [19:21] dive: Good point. It seems wl has been enabled. [19:21] askhader, the file 'doinst.sh' would be responsible for that - check to see exactly :> [19:21] they only have special exceptions for certain searches like "c++" [19:21] Azalyn: also, you can't turn off abbreviations of spell checking [19:21] *or [19:21] Skywise, if you don't know, why comment and recommend it? [19:22] :) [19:22] yeah, that too. [19:22] thrice`: brilliant [19:22] or toggle case sensitivity. [19:22] i was talking about what irc packages are with slackware [19:22] googling nitrite and getting nitrate instead sucks [19:22] i know and like bitchx [19:22] i mean sometimes i want to search for something really specific.. because i know my google-fu well enough to know what i want, and i can't do that. [19:22] Skywise, bitchx is NOT with slackware [19:22] so what [19:22] natrite [19:23] its not like its forbidden [19:23] Skywise: Installing from source is fine. How is it dealing with those security issues? [19:23] dunno, haven't had any [19:23] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [19:23] Skywise: no it's neither forbidden to stick your head in a running woodshredder .. doesn't make it a wise thing to do ;) [19:23] it was removed for security reasons; recommending it to people is kinda lame [19:23] hasn't been my experience [19:23] hail86 (~bogdan@dsl-67-55-7-238.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] so thats generally what i go by [19:23] ?, is LSD here [19:23] just because you haven't experience security issues yourself, just means you haven't found them yet. [19:24] GArik_ (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Skywise: CVE-2007-3360 , CVE-2007-4584 , CVE-2007-5839 [19:24] well i've been using it for over a decade [19:24] living by your own experiences soley is generally an unwise thing to do [19:24] LSD ? [19:24] buzzin, ping him and wait [19:24] is there a command to check for ppl in the channel ? [19:25] and people who have been using telnet for over a decade have switched to ssh, whats your point? [19:25] buzzin: /whois [19:25] I have an Aspire One netbook (widescreen) and I'd like to keep the aspect ratio when playing non widescreen games (on wine), any ideas? :/ sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but it's not so much a wine problem [19:25] thx [19:25] buzzin, you know if you type 'ls' his nick shows up. [19:25] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] weird that didn't work [19:26] LSD`: [19:26] :0 [19:26] yes, to dive [19:27] and like BP{k} said - doing a /whois will show is away status etc. [19:27] s/is/his/ [19:28] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:28] yeah, trying to figure out what cpu to get for my new build [19:28] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] what's kernel's RCU? [19:28] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: _o/ \o> \o/ [19:29] any idea how I can tell xorg to scale the screen correctly when running windows apps in wine? [19:29] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:29] I'm always missing the bottom portion of the screen, as my netbook is widescreen [19:29] I would have thought that was a wine issue [19:30] and/or the apps concerned [19:30] i never had any luck useing any code weaver so i just simply don't use any code waever [19:30] if your going to use windows programs etc use windows [19:31] FFFFFFUUUUU [19:31] I can't, the drivers for my hardware are nowhere to be found honestly... [19:31] wine works well enough for some things [19:31] just like dual booting, i gave that up also [19:32] wordview is useful and works perfectly well in wine [19:32] fhobia, lol...hear ya...;) [19:32] Does the generic Slackware kernel have support for broadcom wifi? [19:32] a bit slow to start up, but faster than booting another OS just to check fomatting [19:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:33] sking, crap....it actually might be the kernel :( [19:33] i couldn't reproduce it on the stock kernel [19:33] Skywise: btw http://xaric.org// [19:33] thats crappy, however, you can file a bug report though :) [19:33] fhobia: you talking to me ? [19:33] s/generic/stock/g ? [19:34] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:34] sking, yea, going to talk to kernel people first [19:34] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.121) joined ##slackware. [19:34] which AMD class for kernel make is Sempron? [19:34] kernel bug reports tend to be slow at getting fixed... [19:34] hail86, you can't stretch an sd image to widescreen without clipping an edge or having bars on the side [19:34] yeah& i know there were some regression tests being done by a 3rd party on the up and coming kernel& and they found some very interesting things [19:35] edman007, well make sure you test with the latest rc and then bug the mailing list [19:35] sking, and on top of that, i played magic patchs on this kernel (though nothing should have touched the networking stack) [19:35] hopefully they get fixed, and hopefully the regressions are reversed [19:36] hail86, so if you want the full image fit to height, if you want to fill the screen fit to width, but you're gonna clip the bottom or top [19:36] not the patches i would be worried about, just that things in general have changed in the kernel& it may not be networking stack related either& apache relies heavily on kernel calls to get its stuff done very efficiently [19:37] ShKoDrAnI (~ardit24@cpe-95-107-197-219.wifi.tring.al) left irc: [19:37] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:37] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [19:37] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [19:38] banditman (~djt@92.14.113.166) joined ##slackware. [19:38] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:38] sking, well i noticed it first on mythtv which does the same thing... [19:39] i haven't used mythtv in a very long time, but i believe it relies on some of the same kernel calls [19:39] if not more so as it handles hardware [19:39] sking, ehh, the networking is fairly simple, just a TCP connection to the server and they talk, that is what seems to be problematic [19:40] yeah [19:40] you could try doing a tcpdump on lo to try and fine the breakdown of communications [19:40] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:41] sking, yea, writing a test case right now...going to see if i can make a 10 line C app to show it... [19:41] tonight sking - you [19:41] lol bender [19:42] careful, i might like it ;) [19:42] D: [19:43] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] edman007: hopefully you can help fix it :) [19:44] hopefully...or find out that i have something screwed up [19:44] yeah [19:45] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:45] banditman (~djt@92.14.113.166) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:47] hail86 (~bogdan@dsl-67-55-7-238.acanac.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [19:48] wow; this is crap; there's not enuf info in menuconf help to know where a src module is forced to be module on some related module [19:48] woh3 (~woh3@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] has anyone been able to get skype working on 13.1? Or do I have to go multi-lib, and if so, is it easier to make 13.0 or 13.1 multi-lib? [19:50] SunTzu: yeah, i've done manual configuration before by going over every single option one by one. took a very long time. the interface could use a bit of work honestly. they have an xconfig i thing, but it's not any better. a newer graphical one with more details would be nice. [19:50] woh3: you have to make the glibc multilib, and i'd suggest you get the static build of skype [19:51] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) joined ##slackware. [19:51] hmm, how do I know which one is static? and Ive seen aliens post on making slack multi-lib, but nothing about just making glibc multilib [19:52] woh3: he means a build of skype that is statically linked [19:52] pre-set profiles would be nice too. like an "everything as modules" profile, and a profile that automatically detects your hardware on the current box, and generates a .config that fits your hardware like a glove. [19:52] etc. [19:52] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] there's definitely room for improvement. but i guess they figure that because distributions do all that work these days, that there's no point. [19:53] i know what statically linked means, I mean how do I find a package that is statically linked? will it say skype-static?> [19:53] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) joined ##slackware. [19:53] you would likely go to the skype website to find it [19:55] ok ill go to skype and look for ap ackage thats called skype-static [19:56] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:01] i dont get why slackbuilds puts up a package that doesnt work on slackware64 13.1, but say it is for 13.1, dont they distinguish 64-bit architecture? [20:02] they should at least put a caveat in the README [20:02] big_bass (~big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) joined ##slackware. [20:02] bender183 (taco@unaffiliated/bender183) left ##slackware. [20:03] woh3: skype itself is just a distributed binary.. I ended up not using the slackbuild because it strips the binaries which causes issues.. and skype's 'install' is just copying some files [20:04] so you got skype to work without the build script? [20:05] You know, I really wonder what --> DOWNLOAD_x86_64="UNSUPPORTED" <--- means in the skype.info. [20:05] BP{k}, I think it means will work out of the box [20:05] it will * [20:05] BP{k}, is that whats on slackbuilds.org? [20:05] woh3: yes. [20:06] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] raela, were you able to install them to a folder in tmp then go to that folder and give it a makepkg -l y -c n ../skype-(whatever).txz( or tgz)? [20:06] Support means to hold it up. Unsupported means it's NOT held up. A holdup sounds bad. [20:06] Action: BP{k} holds up rob0 [20:06] yup, that was bad [20:07] MLanden: no I just copied them over. I didn't feel the need for a package [20:07] raela, ok [20:08] raela, did you get skype working? [20:09] woh3: yes. have you tried downloading skype-static from skype, unpacking, then running the binary from the directory it went to? [20:09] no I have not [20:09] GArik_ (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:09] BP{k}, lol...nice wedgie [20:10] try it and see. I found the slackbuild stripping the binary was making it segfault on me, but it worked fine unpacked [20:10] MLanden: btw, nope haven't actually had a look at those joglers from O2 [20:10] but if everything you guys say is true about stripping binaries etc then why is the package still on slackbuilds? [20:10] woh3: I wondered that myself, then just decided not to think of it :P it must work for some people [20:10] BP{k}, ok....good luck if ya come across one...:D [20:11] w0/var/log/packages/skype-2.0.0.72-i486-1_SBo <-- works fine. [20:11] on a 64-bit slackware it works fine? [20:11] woh3: slackware64 + multilib. [20:12] the striping from binaries is a prolbem on newer versions of skype afaik. not on the version as it is supplied by SBo. [20:12] apparently I just installed skype on the 64 bit machine manually so eh [20:13] BP{k}: I used the older version on 13.0 with the slackbuild, I believe, but when I upgraded to 13.1, pretty sure neither version worked [20:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:15] i unzip the static package, cd to the dir, run ./skype (which shows up in ls) but then gives error ./skype: No such file or directory [20:15] woh3: pure 64? [20:15] yep [20:15] you need multilib [20:15] *sighs* [20:15] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ..also, isn't it actually named something else? [20:16] like skype-static or something [20:16] just shows up as skype [20:16] oh, right. anyway um.. multilib now [20:16] im not sure i want to go multi-lib [20:16] then no skype for you [20:16] woh3: 32bit is not multilib :P [20:16] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [20:17] doesnt alien have a script for going multi-lib? [20:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] alien has a nice wiki to follow [20:17] very easy to do [20:17] No, not really. But he has instructions on how to do so. [20:17] multilib means you need a set of 32-bit packages, not just a script [20:17] even raela can do it. ;) [20:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] ..though some people manage to screw it up [20:17] it can always be fixed [20:17] :O [20:17] so raela you dont have slackware 64 you have slackware64 + multilib right? [20:17] woh3: yes [20:17] If you screw it up, is it supported? [20:17] you'll never have to go and install windows [20:18] but I use 32bit on my main laptop :) even though it has a 64bit proc [20:18] its supported, just not effectively [20:18] Skywise: instead, we'll just toss some to ubuntu.. :P [20:18] yeah, sometimes thats all you can do [20:19] isnt it a huge waste to run a 32 bit os on a 64 bit architecture? [20:19] 64bit is really for large memory and high precision [20:19] waste of what? [20:19] as a matter of fact no its not [20:19] page-space [20:19] 64bit cpus are designed to optimize execution of 32bit code on the fly [20:20] It's a huge waste if you have 8GB RAM. It's a waste if you have 4GB RAM. It's no waste if you have 3GB RAM or less. [20:20] well, my good freind has a phd in compsci and he says its throwing away over half your page space [20:20] oh too bad it didn't do him any good [20:21] I have 3gb ram and rarely do much with this laptop.. it likes to overheat [20:21] the cpu takes care of that [20:21] it's a free performance boost, why wouldn't you? [20:21] what is the built in torrent for cmd bassed on slack? [20:21] rob0: give me your unused RAM, then. [20:21] its not that big of a boost [20:21] thrice`: because it's a major pain in the ass [20:21] it's a boost none-the-less [20:21] bullshit / FUD [20:21] Action: rob0 RAMs thumbs [20:21] I use 64 bit on the lab workstation that actually works [20:21] huh. [20:21] that's not what I asked for! [20:21] look, when 64 bit cpus came out it was more of a logical progression then an actual need [20:22] lotec, don't know there is one built in to slack but slackbuilds.org have transmission [20:22] i thoguht there was a buitl in one. llike rtorrent or something [20:22] hum [20:22] er transmission is gui. I'm thinking of rtorrent [20:22] none are installed by default. there are some really old ones in extra/ , but best to install rtorrent or transmission-cli [20:23] thrice`: I had some issues with flash (might be related to my amd cpu) and stepmania. also, I didn't notice a speed boost and it pissed me off several times :) I decided to stick with 32 bit for simplicity for the time being [20:23] intel as part of their marketing design had to demonstrate that migrating to 64bit hardware not only wouldn't be detrimental to running the legacy 32bit software, but that it would still be an advantage as the clock speed race was slowing down [20:24] so the 64bit cpus were designed so that running 32bit code would still see an improvement over running a 32bit cpu at the same clock speed [20:24] as for me, using 64bit on a system with anything less than 4GB is a waste of resources [20:25] I use it with 2GB quite successfully [20:25] its room to grow [20:25] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:25] will migrate the lappy to sw64 soon, too. [20:25] I'm known for being quite.. special. really, 32 bit is for the best now. everything I run on the workstation was really designed for 64 bit, so that works out well [20:25] pnq (~asdf@AC81C5B7.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] 32bit is still the most broadly supported [20:26] I avoid things like flash, and don't require closed-source / 32-bit only software, so I have no reason myself [20:26] unless you're driven to 64bit only status seekers are using it [20:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Skywise, Pat deploys slackware64 as the primary release :> [20:26] I was annoyed at youtube either being sketchy or not working :P [20:26] ? useing slackware-64 bit isn't only to be used if you don't have more than 3 gigs of ram ? [20:26] buzzin: no [20:26] you can use it with less [20:26] i have exactly 3 gigs of ram, is it a waste or no? [20:26] skype_static-2.1.0.81 just click on the bin (in rox) now that[ easy [20:27] The lack of Java in browsers was a problem with 64, but that seems to work now. [20:27] hmm, i have never tryed 64 bit [20:27] i have 4 gigs of ram [20:27] you should [20:27] buzzin: shrug, only way to know is to try it and see how it works for you [20:27] I was bored and thought to try it [20:27] 64bit has more advantages than just increasing the amount of ram you can use as a whole and per process [20:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:28] maybe i'll try it, sense i havent installed 13.1 yet [20:28] Proprietary software companies like Adobe and Skype have their heads stuck in Windows, so they don't understand that the rest of the world has left 32-bit OSs behind. [20:28] I'm still on 13.0 [20:28] and when you consider how much cache each core in a multicore system has, theres hardly any reason to hit ram [20:29] so then the whole slackware64 phenomena is just a scam then, it couldnt be optimized for the 64-bit arch if what you guys say is true [20:29] its not a scam [20:29] o_O [20:29] its just not that big a deal [20:29] yes woh3 , Skywise is correct. pat does it just for fun, and because he doesn't knwo better [20:29] so it is optimized for 64bit [20:29] woh3: what are you talking about? [20:29] yes, it IS optimized for 64bit [20:30] because 64bit cpus are common place, why not [20:30] Azalyn [conf] yea but my prob is serious lack of info in the help to make informed decisions [20:30] :0,, now i won't to try out 13.1 64 bit [20:30] but 64 bit only has advantages in corner cases [20:30] not always [20:31] your average lamp server isn't gonna care [20:31] my system runs much faster on 64bit than 32bit [20:31] Azalyn and a lack of a prog that probes the running host for info to autoconfig the menu intelligently. [20:31] same here [20:31] Skywise, I can encode DVDs about 30% faster on my system on 64-bit, over 32-bit. is this a fake result? [20:31] if you were setting up a rendering farm, it would make a great deal of difference [20:31] sking: I felt mine went slower, but people called me crazy :P [20:31] depends on what you are doing [20:31] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.164) joined ##slackware. [20:31] thrice`, do you know the reason for the increase? [20:31] there are things you can do that may process slower [20:32] firefox uses more ram on 64bit :P [20:32] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Skywise, why does it matter? [20:32] firefox seemed to run slower on 64bit for me [20:32] firefox will use more RAM because it has to load 32bit libraries, because firefox is not a 64bit app [20:32] thrice`, it matters cause you might be comparing the api and underlying code rather then the cpu [20:32] what brower is then ? [20:32] sking: what are you smoking? firefox is available for 64bit [20:33] 64 bit [20:33] firefox on slackware is compiled for 64bit [20:33] Skywise: its faster because DVD encoding is very processor intensive mathematical processes [20:33] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:33] XGizzmo: it may be compiled with 64bit flags, but the code is not 64bit optimized [20:33] Skywise, same version of encoding software, kernel, and toolchain [20:33] yeah, i was just gonna say that [20:33] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:34] its the encoding, but by the same token the gpu can do it faster still [20:34] this is true [20:34] but its because they have 128bit cores, and many more cores [20:34] yeah, its a numbers game [20:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] but you're not wasting resources running 32bit code on 64bit hardware [20:35] well, you are [20:35] it depends on what you do [20:35] there is a whole 32bit's of processing being lost [20:35] and you can't take advantage of the extra registers on the cpu [20:35] its not [20:35] the cpu does that automatically [20:36] not it doesn't [20:36] the kernel has to utilize them [20:36] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [20:36] for encoding/decoding/emulation/etc, running 64bit might be faster [20:36] it is, almost all of the time [20:37] Because the full 32-bit instruction set remains implemented in hardware without any intervening emulation, existing 32-bit x86 executables run with no compatibility or performance penalties,[2] although existing applications that are recoded to take advantage of new features of the processor design may see significant performance increases. [20:37] sking, so i got my testcase...and it is definitely not working like it should :( [20:37] edman007: thats no fun [20:38] might be somethign deeper with mythtv and apache [20:38] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:38] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net [20:38] sking, no, my test case uses nothing but libc [20:38] botnet (~botnet@c-71-197-178-134.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] and i can clearly see a problem... [20:38] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:38] oh, gotchya [20:39] i thought you meant the test didn't yield any good results to pinpoint a problme :p [20:39] asarch (~asarch@189.188.160.185) joined ##slackware. [20:39] at is not functioning properly, how to debug? [20:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] starting atd with -d option produces no errors [20:42] SunTzu: yeah, i mentioned that an automatic thing would be nice. and yes, it could use more documentation. kernel.org should wikify all the kernel stuff, and then more people can work on it more easily, that way the documentation will improve faster. [20:42] and they can then include the documentation with the kernel, allowing people to make more informed decisions. the way it is now, they are pretty much expecting that only distribution-makers will be making their own kernel. :\ [20:44] i think keeping up with kernel documentation would be monumental in itself [20:44] botnet: rc.M starts atd for you, you do not have to start it manually. [20:44] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) joined ##slackware. [20:44] i know, but as it is, at is not executing anything [20:44] starting it manually with -d produces no errors, though, so i dont know what the problem is [20:45] what are you guys gonna have to say for youselves when you help this botnet take over the world [20:45] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] they wont have anything to say ha HA!!!! [20:45] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:45] we're doomed [20:46] jebus. wtf is rtorrent such a bitch to install [20:46] lotec, why? [20:46] how so? [20:46] askhader (askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) left ##slackware. [20:46] only has one dep iirc - libtorrent [20:46] must have alot of dependencies scattered to the 4 winds [20:47] i installed lib i get this now [20:47] rtorrent [20:47] oh [20:47] rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [20:47] sounds like you need to update something [20:47] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:47] lotec, both from slackbuilds.org? [20:47] have you run ldconfig [20:47] yeppers [20:47] not by any chance on 64bit? [20:48] no [20:48] old 03 [20:48] erm [20:48] p3 [20:48] echo "why do you think it's not working?" > /tmp/atd.works | at now +3 minutes ; atq [20:48] lotec, strange. [20:48] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:49] unless it needs a reboot. been up 190 days [20:49] er no [20:49] what i thought [20:49] i think he should try building rtorrent again [20:49] weird [20:49] did you run ldconfig after installing libtorrent? [20:49] yeppers [20:49] locate libtorrent.so [20:49] lotec: echo /var/log/packages/*torrent* [20:49] make clean and make install [20:49] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:50] although locate won't show it unless you updatedb [20:50] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [20:50] both there [20:50] libtorrent [20:50] erm [20:50] where is it supposed to be, maybe he can just do a find [20:50] ver numbers are off [20:51] there ya go [20:51] lotec: I doubt that that echo gives "both there" ;) [20:51] lotec, I have libtorrent-0.12.6-i686-1_SBo [20:51] echo /var/log/packages/*torrent* [20:51] /var/log/packages/libtorrent-0.14-i686-1as /var/log/packages/rtorrent-0.8.2-i486-1bj [20:51] aren't torrents bad for you anyway [20:51] Skywise: no. [20:51] they make my bandwidth go away [20:51] lol [20:52] like i said, rob, at is not working [20:52] lotec, that libtorrent is another package than sbo [20:52] it isnt a matter of incorrect syntax [20:52] i am re downloading [20:52] lotec, and so is rtorrent [20:52] lotec, you didn't get those from sbo [20:53] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/libraries/libtorrent/ [20:53] the one i downloaded [20:53] maybe you can install it via cpan [20:53] so stop using slacky.ey or lp.net ;-) [20:53] woh3 (~woh3@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:53] er eu [20:53] lotec: and how do you explain you have 0.14? since sbo has 0.12.6... [20:53] lotec, confess! [20:53] lotec, removepkg libtorrent rtorrent [20:54] BP{k} I dont know [20:54] figabo (~figabo@201.164.206.237) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [20:54] something fishy going on here [20:54] ok there gone [20:54] rtorrent (0.8.6) && libtorrent (0.12.6) [20:55] why, those numbers don't add up [20:55] i might of installed libtorrent a while ago for something else. not sure. [20:55] i hope its not broken [20:56] if it is, time to upgrade anyway [20:56] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:56] so it gave me 0.12.6 libtorrent [20:56] 0.8.6 rtorrent [20:56] the one thing to be sure of when it comes to linux, someone else has already fallen down the same steps you are [20:57] iinterestingly enough .. if I look for rtorrent-0.8.2-i486-1bj and rtorrent-0.8.2-i486-1bj .. they both seems to come from slacky.eu and 12.1 [20:57] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. [20:57] echo 'echo fuck' | at now +1 minutes [20:57] that would echo fuck onto my xterm, right? [20:57] he prolly need to update his conf version [20:57] ideally, that is [20:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:58] what happened when you tried it? [20:58] he got fucked, or not. [20:59] its a harsh world [20:59] nothing happens, it registers a job, atq reports the job, but nothing executes [20:59] how would "at" know which "tty" to send to? [20:59] did you look at your syslog or messages? [20:59] should it not send to where it was registered? [20:59] well i think it would stdout [20:59] nothing in syslog about at or atd [21:00] I'm reading up on shrinking my partition to allow a couple more operating systems. I thought the filesystem *was* the partition.... why have more than one filesystem on a partition? [21:00] Skywise stdout makes no sense in this context [21:00] the filesystem is the organization of data on the partition [21:00] before i upgraded, i had an alarm clock "at -f alarm [time]" which worked perfectly, it no longer works now [21:00] mancha, it wouldn't care what tty it was hooked up to [21:00] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:00] huh? [21:01] he's not getting any output [21:01] but its running [21:01] yes and i am explaining why [21:01] mancha, that does not explain why an at job which plays a sound file, no longer plays a sound file since the upgrade [21:01] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:01] botnet, I just tried it - it didn't work but I got a mail: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/zLE4tP96.html [21:01] botnet that's a different question, i can only answer what's been asked [21:02] okay then, why since the upgrade does my at job for playing a soundfile no longer work? [21:02] please deposit another .25 to continue [21:02] Skywise, can there be more than one fs on a single partition? [21:02] ok, can you explain what "upgrade"? [21:02] can you play the soundfile manually? [21:02] It's telling me to shrink the fs with resize2fs and then use fdisk [21:02] to shrink the partition [21:02] Skywise: yes [21:02] mancha: 13.0 to 13.1 [21:03] botnet ok. and can you pastebin your at file? [21:03] twoshot_, no but you can put extended partitions with in a primary partition [21:03] ok libtorrent built again [21:03] mpg123 alarm.mp3 [21:03] twoshot_, and those extended partitions can have different fs on them [21:03] oh ok. [21:04] botnet, there are some controlling files associated with at, has the upgraded changed those? i am thinking of at.deny and at.allow etc. [21:04] twoshot_, you can also have up to 4 primary partitions on the device [21:04] ok try this again [21:04] lotec, install the libs first [21:04] twoshot" why have more than one filesystem on a partition?" because you can it can take a long time depending on your hard drive size and fliles I set up this box that way no problems [21:04] i did [21:04] it all installed [21:05] but not starting when i issue rtorrent [21:05] big_bass, long time to do what? [21:06] oh...wait a second...... [21:06] nevermind [21:06] i moved the file to a new location, and forgot... [21:06] it does still work [21:06] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:07] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Skywise, what if I only resize my slackware fs and not the partition, and then create extended partitions in there for one or two more linux systems? How would that be different from making them all primary [21:07] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:07] except for the fact that I can't make that many primaries [21:08] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:08] the partitions I have are swap, slackware, windows [21:08] I didn't break it up into /boot and /home and whatever else [21:09] lotec, any error when you run rtorrent? [21:09] it does nothing [21:09] not running [21:09] botnet (~botnet@c-71-197-178-134.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:10] rtorrent [21:10] bash: rtorrent: command not found [21:10] root@Blacknight1:/home/lotec25# [21:10] ah [21:10] rtorrent is not in your path? [21:10] exec bash [21:10] perhaps [21:10] not in root's path? [21:10] which rtorrent [21:10] if no sugah then no path [21:10] It may still have old rtorrent hashed [21:11] twoshot depening what OS you have installed and the used harddrive space that needs to get shrunk [21:11] which rtorrent [21:11] which: no rtorrent in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin) [21:11] maybe he needs to logout and back in [21:11] ok, so where's rtorrent lotec? [21:11] lotec, 'exec bash' [21:12] twoshot_, shrinking the reiserfs will give you slack space to make an extended partition, but you can't create a primary within a primary, and i don't know if you can dynamically resize a partition and the fs [21:12] lotec, find the executable and let me know where it is [21:12] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:13] and why are you trying to run it as root anyway? [21:14] i just want it to start now. ill hash it out later [21:14] try as normal user [21:14] where is it? [21:14] Skywise, so I can't boot to those extended partitions? [21:15] why is there a 4 primary partition limit [21:15] lotec, updatedb and then locate rtorrent [21:15] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:15] historically, no one thought you'd ever need more [21:15] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] so they came up with extended parititions [21:16] and thats been good enough and nothings changed since [21:16] so if I put linux systems on extended partitions, can I boot to them and use them like the first fs in this primary partition [21:17] lilo should be able to boot all your partitions [21:18] ok. Is there any disadvantage to an extended? [21:18] why boot an extended, twoshot_? [21:18] VitorBRz (kvirc@187.90.81.154) joined ##slackware. [21:19] what's on it? [21:19] no, its just a partition type [21:19] yeah, i get that [21:19] he wants to put another os on it [21:19] ah [21:19] I want to put a couple more linux systems on here shonudo [21:19] twoshot_ , yeah, i've done it [21:19] np [21:19] k [21:19] lilo does that just fine [21:19] ok cool. thanks [21:20] just curious, which distros? [21:20] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:20] lfs and gentoo [21:20] no windows, no slack? [21:21] windows is already on here, so is slack [21:21] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [21:21] slack is what I'm in right now [21:21] I'm never in windows [21:21] you'll have no problem getting that going with lilo (although you'll have a freaky looking boot screen) [21:21] twoshot you back up stuff remove the fat you dont need on the windows partion then defrag it and then run chkdisk then you can begin to shrink the partion like I said this will take some time so do it on your day off after shrinking the partion you:l have to run chkdisk once more then you create you new filing system lets say ext3 then format that newly created ext3 [21:21] ;) [21:22] shonudo, yep :) [21:23] big_bass, k thanks [21:23] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] oh, my day off is every day btw. I don't need my computer for work right now. [21:23] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:23] pnq (asdf@ACA2BE32.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] did someoen say that 13.1's libpng also builds a compat version pre 1.4 api? [21:26] it does build 1.2 I think too [21:26] gabomagno (~gabomagno@CableLink38-32.telefonia.InterCable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:26] yep [21:27] dive, ok so it does install the previous api to not break dependencies [21:27] that's the idea [21:27] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:27] so why were people saying here that when you upgrade to 13.1 your apps built against the old libpng breal? [21:27] now were getting someplace [21:27] break* [21:27] hmm don't know, but really you should rebuild anyway [21:28] was missing libsigc++ [21:28] gabomagno (~gabomagno@CableLink38-32.telefonia.InterCable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:28] an app that needs libpng 1.2 would still need rebuilding afaik [21:29] why? [21:29] because the 1.2 might not be exactly the same as what you had when you first build it [21:30] ?? [21:30] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:30] which app are you thinking about? [21:31] you have to have the updated symbols, etc... even tho the calls are the same [21:31] the libpng in 13.1 is libpng-1.2.43 it seems [21:31] just because the '1.2' is the same, means nothing [21:31] what does that mean, means nothing? [21:32] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [21:32] are you saying the libpng api is not backward compatible within a minor? [21:32] well the app might have been built against 1.2.42 [21:32] code is repositionable and linking builds a cross reference [21:32] it might work, it might not [21:32] that would be quite surprising to me and I am sure would have caused a lot of complaints on dev user lists. [21:32] try it [21:33] depends on the app [21:33] no it doesn't [21:33] depends on the abi [21:33] i think we're talking about different things here. are we both talking about how apps in linux link against shared objects? [21:34] yes [21:34] hum so. libtorrent installed fine [21:34] i'd expect them to be functionally backwards compatible, not with binaries [21:34] ok then you've succeeded in baffling me. i feel like i'm in the twilight zone now :> [21:34] but rtorrent will not build. cant find libtorrent [21:35] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [21:35] even after ldconfig? [21:35] hmm [21:35] i don't use packages so i'm just guessing here, is there away to run configure again [21:37] got it [21:37] installed in in a weird ass place [21:37] hum [21:38] thats what i was thinking [21:38] but isn't the sbo package supposed to use coordinated options? [21:38] lotec, are you sure you didn't have an older package of libsigc++ installed too? [21:39] seems strange that libtorrent built before [21:39] dive that is possible. but its just a base install minus a few thing i added been up for 3 years [21:39] i need to build a new server [21:40] and i am just doing this for a quick see, i am having problems with a few torrents. see if they work better on here [21:41] lotec, ls /var/log/packages/libsigc* [21:41] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [21:42] well im following aliens multi-lib tutorial, everything is going smoothly...which has me worried [21:42] still building rtorrent again. so give me a min [21:42] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:42] VoraZBR (vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left ##slackware. [21:42] lotec, if you install a newer libsigc then you will probably need rebuild libtorrent [21:43] but remove the old one first [21:43] it's not possible to build rtorrent without a libsigc++ installed, so I too doubt it [21:43] old libsigc that is [21:43] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:44] it would not build libtorrent after i installed libsigc it installed fine [21:44] ah [21:44] and done [21:45] now it is runningin [21:45] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [21:49] big_bass (big_bass@unaffiliated/bigbass/x-81725) left ##slackware. [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FC9E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488EB8E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:55] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[22:28] edman007: geeqie [22:29] its a fork that is actually maitained [22:29] vbatts, thank you [22:29] though that is a terrible name... [22:29] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.14.116.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:29] even worse than gqview [22:30] i can't help that ;) [22:30] alias gqview='geeqie' [22:31] bah [22:31] that's silly clutter [22:32] saves all manner of problems coming in after pub saturday night though [22:32] haha [22:32] and trying to remember if it's called qeegie, geeqie or what was it...? [22:32] `display $file` [22:33] well true :P [22:33] OR point ... click [22:33] vbatts, bash does not support that... [22:34] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:34] in zsh you can do alias -s jpg=display etc and just type file name [22:35] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:35] but gqview is nice for looking at thumbnails [22:37] vbatts, if you think that's bad, you really don't want to see my .aliases file :) [22:38] Alt_of_Ctrl (~none@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:38] mine is of ease, not forgetfulness [22:38] alias c=clear [22:38] same here [22:38] alias b='cd ..' [22:38] alias bb='cd ../..' [22:38] I use alias ..='cd ..' [22:39] indeed [22:41] but most of mine are for long commands that really need to too much typing, especially my qemu commands. [22:41] lazy asses :P [22:41] evening raela [22:41] you both are horrible! [22:41] evening, dive :) [22:43] Action: vbatts isn't *so* horrible [22:43] ... [22:43] aliasing cd .. to b is pretty damn bad :P [22:43] raela, I did have to do alias mp3='playmp3list' though [22:44] man I type that out all of the time [22:44] I did finally alias ssh -Y -o Compression=yes -o CompressionLevel=9 to sshy.. after 2 months [22:44] since I've only just started using it, I was typing mp3play, nope, listmp3, nope... [22:44] ag [22:44] *ah. I sometimes mix is around [22:45] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [22:45] sometimes do mplayer accidentally [22:45] its worst when you cant use your config files. eg. another machine [22:45] raela: you should play with your ~/.ssh/config then [22:45] man ssh_config [22:45] reading? sup with that :P and I don't always use those options! though I guess it doesn't hurt [22:45] sahko, yeah that's the first thing I have to do when setting up a new box is copy all those over [22:46] need my prompt and aliases [22:46] well i set them on a per host basis [22:46] I need my prompt.. dive worked so hard to make it pretty for me :) [22:46] :) [22:46] only some globals like "ForwardAgent yes" [22:46] for "Host *" [22:47] actually I need to do a dynsdns for this box I think.. I can't believe the ip changed again [22:47] raela, afraid.org [22:47] then set up a lynx or whatever script to check IP every hour or so [22:47] and send it them and email it you [22:48] \o/ i'm doing 0.5MB up seeding slack and it doesn't hurt me at all [22:48] which reminds me I need to set up a new email address for mine [22:48] ....every hour wtf [22:48] dynsdns has a script to autoupdate that [22:49] raela, put a call to the dyndns update into the dhcpcd script [22:49] also I don't think my emailing thing on my box works right now.. the linux counter script doesn't work [22:49] edman007: have to actually register for one again :P [22:49] raela, yea, i just did that, and my router handles it [22:49] I had one several years ago [22:50] raela, so get one :) [22:50] raela, I use afraid.org for my domains (free) and just run a script from a cronjob that logs into router with lynx to check IP [22:51] no big deal [22:51] dive: direct connected here.. but damn every hour? :P didn't change for a long time yet has changed twice this month [22:51] edman007: bleh, effort.. [22:51] dive: dynsdns.org was free last I checked [22:51] I am praying to Bob that there is KDE3.5.10 for Slackware 13.1 [22:52] raela, lazy ass.... ;) [22:52] raela, yeah for there own domains but for a proper domain I think they charge [22:52] brb [22:53] fire|bird: we all know that :) [22:53] dive: that they do [22:54] dive: but like raela.ath.cx isn't a big deal.. what, does afraid.org do something else? hrm [22:54] raela, especially those that are in OT as well. :P [22:54] plus I don't need a proper domain.. mostly I use ssh, then I host a few things every now and then. I don't run a website off of it [22:56] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:56] y'know what's worse than aliasing 'cd' to 'b' ?! zsh's autocd (I use it :P) [22:56] oh.. that is quite unfortunate [22:57] autopushd is kind of annoying, i prefer manual dirstack maintenance [22:57] you just lost me, trhodes. oh well [22:57] suffix aliases are nice [22:58] like files that match *.pdf invoke $PDF_READER_OF_CHOICE when run [22:58] bah.. I prefer typing shit out. I guess I'm just nuts :P [22:58] s/I guess// [22:59] raela, well afraid.org do my davidwoodfall.co.uk and heahcraeft.com for free, which is a bonus. [23:00] and I need those so.. [23:01] and dawoodfall.net of course [23:01] But I will be making a contribution at some point [23:01] dive: ah.. well, like I said, having the dynsdns and script would be good enough for me. typing raela.ath.cx vs. raela.net or whatever is no big deal.. and I could put it in hosts :P [23:01] I think they do a $30 p/y deal [23:02] indeed [23:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:06] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [23:08] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:09] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [23:09] has anyone had success getting a dead lug booming again? [23:10] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.82.171) joined ##slackware. [23:10] i think they're passe [23:10] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Skywise, still though, there's something successful lugs are aware of that I'm not [23:10] no, i think its more about the region [23:10] http://south.melug.org <-- what I'm referring to-- how do we get it back on its feet? [23:11] i think more urban areas are less likely to congreate [23:11] urban? there's no such thing as 'urban' in maine. [23:11] oh [23:11] the closest thing to urban we have are potato fields [23:11] well, theres prolly not too many people around there [23:11] unless you go to portland, which is only there to collect damned souls [23:12] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:12] you might be more successful joining a larger geographic body ad hoc [23:12] im not dissolving my lug just to participate in another [23:12] after all you don't create the intrest, you only serve as a focal point [23:13] you shouldn't be so attached [23:13] well...yeah... [23:13] its no reflection upon you [23:13] eh, well, its different when youre in charge of something. [23:13] nah [23:13] it does reflect on you. [23:14] you're not in such fine control [23:14] whether thats fair or not is beside the point [23:14] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.82.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:14] it would be a bad reflection should a rival group form in opposition to your leadership [23:15] haha [23:15] no i haven't pissed anyone off that badly yet lol [23:15] which isn't the case, its just a simple lack of intrest [23:15] i ignore the maine lug bylaws though [23:15] but only because i cant get the guy to email them to me [23:15] ignoring the rules is a tenent of linux [23:15] of course [23:15] its a pro-slack lug ;) [23:16] all the offered workshops are slackware-based [23:16] so why not participate in the maine lug? [23:16] though i've thought about doing red-hat to just start attracting people [23:16] we're the southern district [23:16] but thats not an important distinction [23:17] im not really sure why its broken down into geographical segments like that [23:17] i think its because the area is so spread out that meetings would be a pain [23:17] if there were issues so specific that their discussion wouldn't intrest the larger group, then you should form a subset [23:17] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [23:17] well, its essentially dead, the larger group [23:18] yeah, its hard to sustain a group interest [23:18] and its 'the' state lug, i've thought about forming a new one and going renegade lol [23:18] well there ya go [23:18] thats the basic motivation for forks around the world [23:19] too easy to alienate old-timers who dont want change though [23:19] Action: dartmouth ducks and hopes no one from his lug is listening lol [23:19] i just have a feeling i'd lose some support if i did that lol [23:19] the way you describe it, i doubt it [23:20] you might look into making interaction on line easier [23:20] well we are 'melug' and 'melug-south' i wonder if i could get by on 'lug-maine' [23:20] but i dunno, everyone gets tired of the whole thing eventually [23:20] yeah, i had no idea melug referred to maine [23:20] yup [23:21] yeah i haven't come up with a way to keep novelty yet [23:21] i wonder if a 'masked guru' type deal where users submit questions on the site and get answers would attract people lol [23:21] well theres always hookers and blackjack [23:21] Action: dartmouth takes notes [23:23] you might have seminars and training, i think there was just such a gathering in south carolina [23:23] get people to show up to learn things they didn't get working on their own [23:24] but i'm not really good at motivating participation either [23:24] well i was just thinking, i bet some of the tech schools in the area who offer certs would let people get discounted testing through us, and we could leech membership off aspiring college kids [23:24] this channel is full of lurkers and they're just staring, still... [23:24] my theory is that 90% of the lurkers in ##slackware are alienBOB lol [23:24] yeah, you'd think kids would want that, but unless they get credit, its something for later on [23:25] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [23:25] people are always thinking of constructive ways to help college kids [23:26] but unless its beer flavored in a beer container and is more or less beer, it doesn't really matter [23:26] you'd be better off helping university kids. [23:26] college programs are weak in comparison. [23:27] besides, kids in college are underaged, and can't drink (legally) [23:28] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:29] so are university kids [23:29] ooooooh [23:29] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] college = university in some places [23:30] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:30] only adults are harder to teach then kids [23:30] unless you have a different system. here, a university is simply a collection of colleges, which additionally offers graduate programs [23:30] so if i have a 'beer-linux fest' for the 'old people' and the 'kids' just happen to show up for the linux, we'd probably attract more. i cant do the free beer thing, but i can do the cheap beer thing. and having them bring their homework in works. [23:30] here, university kids start at 19 [23:30] ananke: that's weird. [23:30] thumbs: ditto [23:30] ananke: here, college precedes university. It's a pre-requisite. [23:30] thumbs: that's weird. [23:31] high school precedes either here.. but some people go community college then university.. or community college then college [23:31] no, its just college = high school [23:31] wow, where the hell is that? [23:31] america [23:32] you can even go to prep school before college [23:32] oh, the USA. [23:32] you can also go into a phd program without a master's here :P [23:32] some of the dumbest people i know have phds [23:34] i used to have a teacher with a phd who couldnt even shave properly, he came to school half-shaved and cut all over the place lol [23:34] i know some pretty dumb phd'ed people too [23:35] colleges are now accepting more community college credits then ever before to encourage more enrollment from associate degree earners [23:36] college is a business [23:36] as much as they say its about the students, its really about the money [23:36] its only about the money [23:37] i knew for sure when i did my jr year internship [23:37] thats why colleges have "residency" requirments [23:37] Bleh I dropped out for that reason [23:37] and I'm doing just fine :P [23:37] gotta make sure they stick around [23:37] i picked up certifications in technology, paid for by my company, that my whole school staff hadn't even heard of [23:38] lol same here [23:38] the IT industry is looking past college degree's more and more now [23:38] they sent me to classes as much as i worked [23:38] Knowing *how* to teach yourself is more valuable.. people in IT know if you know your stuff or not [23:38] however, google and facebook still are in the dark ages [23:39] agreed mtkoan [23:39] college degrees are only good for academic or corporate careeres [23:39] if you wanna learn how to actually do stuff, you gotta start doing it [23:39] Yes.. [23:39] well, the theory is helpful, but not required [23:40] its too focused on academics and not application [23:40] if you can give me a flow process diagram, it would help me understand how your system works, but i could get by without it :p [23:40] you know what i hated about calc, if they went to such trouble to make all these crazy measurments of the pool why didn't they just measure what they intended [23:41] yeah, its more about regurgitation of facts than how to apply the knowledge. [23:41] There's just no subtitute for working something out in your own mind [23:42] Which can happen in academia, but its certainly not required, lol [23:42] yeah, i could solve word problems, but real life problems are not always soluble [23:43] oh man, i could go on and on about education [23:43] the american education system is shit [23:44] i just think it would be nice if by the time you left high school you could be capable of self employment [23:44] it used to be that way [23:44] that if you took a job at mc'ds it was only long enough to get the raw capitol for the resources to start a cottage business [23:45] and you could know how to do it and make progress rather then just tread water [23:46] i just feel alot of creativity is being wasted just because of the academic emphasis and they've only been doing it for a little while [23:51] rirombo (~richard@pool-71-117-246-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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