[00:00] i tried switching to the sound mixer 9.04 used. not a good idea. ever heard of "no audio"? [00:00] I like it because when shit hits the fan you know what's going on with Slack. Hopefully it doesn't happen though it's true. [00:00] shit hits the fan? [00:00] yes, that's American slan [00:01] imagine shit hitting a fan [00:01] uhhh i never heard that one and im in slang city [00:01] oh shit hits the fan the fan blows it everywhere [00:02] /facepalm [00:03] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3093D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] did you mean http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/10/633775495275400070-doublefacepalm.jpg [00:03] no, that is a double facepalm. this was not that severe. [00:03] oh [00:04] ok so i think i know what you're saying. shit hits the fan, everything's shitty [00:04] or shit hits the fan, well that stinks [00:05] i suck at interpreting slang [00:07] when shit hits the fan it's time to take charge [00:07] oh [00:07] unless you are at fault [00:07] john_dee (n=id@95-29-10-113.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [00:07] then it's time to take vacation [00:07] lolol [00:08] protective rain gear and eyewear helps too [00:09] so Big Ass Fans asks "what's your POSITION?" I ask If you tilt a Big Ass Fan, won't it BANG the ceiling? [00:10] yeah, something like that. [00:11] just remember to keep a log when you ask [00:11] why? cause Quagmire will reply? [00:11] and show me. i'll let you know if it meets standards [00:12] might want to give the ceiling some PROTECTION [00:13] ceiling is whom you hope takes most of the fall [00:14] ok but think of how big the RUBBERS would have to be on a Big Ass Fan [00:14] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:14] that ones TOO obvious [00:16] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [00:16] well good thing is fans don't transmit viruses like humans. and it's good exercise [00:16] finally getting it? Glenn over here was like giggity the whole time [00:16] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] hey alisonken1noc [00:24] yo crashdata [00:25] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] i just spent my whole sunday watching arn :) [00:27] great movie.. [00:30] http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/artist/Nico+Vega/8756 [00:31] g'night -_- [00:31] beast [00:33] _dfrank_ (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] cool website [00:39] i've been looking a good mp3 streaming stie [00:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-127-58-50.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] lenin` (n=kinginno@ool-182e237b.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] cbpye (n=cbpye@h152.109.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] josh_ (n=josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Hey, is it ok to ask a question about wicd in here? [00:51] hmmm maybe [00:51] #wicd may be better [00:52] suppresion is a prison, so I had the key to yourself.0 [00:53] hand* [00:53] teckan_ (n=teckan@p5B0CB54F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] using wicd and/or GNOME NetworkManager is almost 100% recipe for failure - i have never used them myself, but had a great laugh seeing some friends who desperately tried to use them (instead of 3 simple cmd line commands) [00:58] lenin- (n=kinginno@ool-182e237b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:58] mbohun: They work for me. [00:58] And those "three simple commands" don't always help for people who move around a lot. [00:58] huh? [00:59] um [00:59] what does had to do with moving or not? [00:59] yeah they do [00:59] they mean you will have a way to get the interweb [01:00] mrselfpwn: I mean, I resmume my computer from suspend. Do I really want to open up a terminal and restart networking? [01:00] NaCl: i really don't face that problem [01:01] on any of my laptops [01:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:01] then again. i'm not an idot [01:01] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:01] see i'm an idiot and can do it. so can you. [01:01] mbohun: I would prefer to use the commandline, but from what I have been reading it does not seem feasibale for WPA2 nor for quickly switching between networks [01:02] i cant find libnautilus-extension.dev at slackbuild.org can someone point me to another trustworthy download site? thanks [01:02] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:02] josh_: why that? [01:02] .dev ? [01:03] its a file i need for dropbox [01:03] thats what it say [01:03] crashdata: you don't need tht [01:03] wpa_cli [01:03] k [01:03] crashdata: get dropbox from alienbob's site [01:03] get* [01:03] people tire of figuring out wpa_supplicant commands or writing config files when all they want to do is get connected. [01:04] crashdata: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/dropbox-client/ [01:04] that's all you need [01:04] thanks...what's a .dev ext? [01:04] josh_: all one needs is wpa_supplicant and correct wpa_supplicant.conf file, the rest is easy as: 1. /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -ieth1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf 2. /sbin/dhcpcd -h `/bin/hostname` eth1 [01:04] wpa_cli is a command line client to wpa)supplicant [01:04] if you have qt you can also use wpa_gui [01:05] crashdata: dunno actually i suspect it's a package other distros use to store c library and header [01:05] those are both part of wpa_supplicant and come with it in slackware last I looked [01:05] andarius: yes [01:05] crashdata: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/dropbox-client/ [01:05] grr sorry wrong link [01:05] crashdata: http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/rpm-devel.htm [01:06] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [01:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:06] mbohun: I used to do that. I got tired of writing wpa_supplicant files for every single place I go. [01:06] i'm getting it there [01:06] now [01:07] deco, thanks [01:07] crashdata: np :) [01:07] i wrote a script that takes a few params and builds the wpa_supplicant.conf block for me [01:08] josh__ (n=josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] mbohun: That is not practical for switching between many, new unknown networks [01:09] NaCl: well that makes little sense - you still have to enter the same information into those idiotic frontend GUIs - how different is typing ESSID and psk in vim/emacs from typing them into some gtk+/qt GUI ? [01:09] sorry, I got d/c [01:09] mbohun: That is not practical for switching between many, new unknown networks [01:09] josh_ (n=josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Changing server" [01:10] crackpot - "switching between many, new unknown networks" ? without security? then he doesn't need wpa_supplicant at all [01:11] no, with security [01:11] they usually are secured. even still. [01:11] to many different wpa networks [01:11] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:11] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] I would prefer to just select my network and enter a key, rather than define the whole network each time [01:12] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:12] just something like: 1. iwlist eth1 scan | grep -i essid | sort | uniq and connect to the unprotected network - how likely is such scenario ? [01:13] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:13] look, the command line tools for linux are in a sore state [01:13] really it should be something like iwlist [01:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:13] iwjoin 5 [01:13] " switching between many, new unknown networks"? so are the networks "unknown" or you do have passwords/essids, etc. ? [01:13] enter key and be done [01:13] or u can add airodump....aircrack ..... [01:13] I have the passphrases [01:13] :P [01:14] then tell it to connect once the keys are found :) [01:14] josh__: "enter key and be done" - sure :-) - i have seen it [01:14] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-199.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] mbohun: you missunderstand my point. The need for wpa_supplicant makes the process anything but simple [01:14] I normally much prefer the commandline for gui stuff [01:15] but its hard to defend the wireless tools [01:15] Agreed. [01:15] you just make no sense [01:15] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] josh__, wicd and wicd-curses? [01:16] mbohun: typically it's because they're not broadcasting their ssid [01:16] hiptobecubic: yes [01:16] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] isn't that basically what you're asking for? pick a network, enter a key and be done? [01:17] if these networks you have the essid and passphrase for, then they'll be in wpa_supplicant. So what's the problem? If there open, you'll connect automagically too. [01:17] hiptobecubic: I wasn't asking actually [01:17] just saying the wireless tools are needlessly complex [01:17] which is why things like wicd are needed [01:18] to say they are needlessly complex is to show a lack of understanding in what they do [01:18] mbohun: I join different networks constantly. I travel frequently and use networks at different pubs, offices, hotels etc [01:18] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [01:18] To have to define the network each time just to join is unneccessary, and frustrating [01:18] josh__, so what's wrong with wicd? [01:18] andarius: not at all [01:18] alisonken1home: but if you can scan for the essid - it means someone has to give it to you right? like here is the essid, and we use WPA with TKIP and use this psk - all the GUI simpletons do they enter them into GUI instead of into a text config file [01:18] health care bill passed! [01:18] yes, completely [01:18] wpa_supplicant was designed to work with such things [01:19] josh__: same here, and I don't touch squat. [01:19] and wpa_cli makes it easy [01:19] jeev: congrats [01:19] hiptobecubic: Nothing, but we are talking about why it is needed in the first place. Some such as mbohun and possibly andarius think it unneccesary [01:19] well, the senate ;D [01:19] urthwrm (n=hooch@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:19] wicd even more so as I hear [01:19] jeev: lol [01:19] andarius: Yes, it was designed for that, I understand that. [01:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] That doesnt mean the ui should not have been abstracted and made simpler [01:19] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Landru! Guide us!" [01:19] select, enter key, connect, what more do you want? [01:20] I have *nothing* against wicd, it's an awsome tool, *I* just don't need it. [01:20] because it isnt that simple [01:20] ohh dear god [01:20] Action: andarius takes his foot out of the mess and walks away from this one [01:20] night all [01:20] if it was as simple as you were implying it is, things like wicd would be unneccesary [01:20] have you used wpa_cli? [01:20] better to remove foor from mouth...but ok [01:20] or wpa_gui ? [01:20] yes [01:20] and ! i have seen how those "tools" work - last time when i installed YDL on playstation3 - that is something everyone can try - those "tools" do not work [01:21] out of box [01:21] josh__: and is there something else that makes it simple? even an MS world requires some configuration for encrypted connections [01:21] I have too, and using them at hotels, in office, and all over was easy [01:21] alisonken1noc: Not quite. On windows all I have to do is enter the key... [01:21] as easy as any windows box [01:21] OS X as well [01:21] josh__: you also have to select the correct access point or the key is useless [01:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] alisonken1noc: yes [01:22] that goes without saying.... [01:22] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "here, let me do that for you..." [01:22] :o [01:22] fighting words! [01:22] lol [01:22] ffs [01:22] Action: fire|bird gets the popcorn [01:22] so what's the difference between MS world point/click/select ap/enter key and wicd select ap/enter key? [01:22] alisonken1noc: although on OS X and Win, I simply double click the network I want to join, rather than having to define it in a config file first [01:23] josh__: the only time you have to define it is if you _don't_ use wicd or equivalent [01:23] Are you really trying to say having to define a network first is easier than simply selecting it to connect to? [01:23] the wireless access points at my school really suck, sometimes it takes 2-5 minutes to get an IP, with the stock sctipts it always times out, wicd makes it easy to where I don't have to wory about it [01:23] i use wicd to [01:23] alisonken1noc: exactly. The discussion was about wicd being unneccesary because the wireless tools are easy enough by themselves [01:23] I am saying this is not the case, and wicd is necessary [01:24] josh__: you click a piece of termoil. [01:24] poof [01:24] this is nto about wicd people [01:24] everyday I die. [01:24] lolz [01:24] the point mbohun made was that wicd is unnecesary because the wireless tools are just as easy without it [01:24] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] I said that was nonsense, now can everyone stop recommending wicd to me? [01:25] Action: deco recommends wicd to jeev [01:25] NaCL can you put wicd on an xfce panel? [01:25] grr josh__ [01:25] lol [01:25] mancha: yes [01:25] well, I would recommend some bash scripts I wrote instead of wicd, but my previous boss owns them :) [01:26] ok.... [01:26] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] alisonken1noc: That was my point. The fact that you need bash scripts to automate something like joining a network.... [01:26] the wireless tools should already support this [01:26] what da hell is the point of all this? [01:26] without the need for 3rd party software [01:26] josh__: my bash scripts were written because I was working on a router project and wicd did not exist [01:27] besides, where do you think MS wireless connection boxes come from? thin air? [01:27] which shows there was a need for a solution [01:27] with a powerful dual core and multiple GB's of ram I don't hesitate to use a GUI tool for anything these days [01:27] Action: josh__ sighs [01:27] so much miscommunication [01:27] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Hello People [01:28] hello slackwarebob [01:28] do you need toi install something extra? [01:28] when something is marked as nvidia-kernel drivers, is it just a module? [01:28] or a kernel patch that requires kernel re compile [01:29] i mean how is wicd with all its dependencies, etc. easier than: iwlist eth1 scan | grep -i essid | sort | uniq - to show available access points? [01:29] mbohun: because it can also join the networks it finds [01:29] and the sort and uniq is just to "make it nicer" [01:29] with only having to specify a key [01:29] can you show an easy command line to connect to a WPA2 network without having to define it first? [01:29] without wicd? [01:30] mbohun: the only dependency wicd has is python as far as I know [01:30] also true [01:30] john_dee (n=id@95-29-10-113.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:30] sure - the gui needs gtk+ + python bindings for gtk+, etc [01:30] alisonken1noc: and some python libs [01:30] mbohun: it has a curses interface [01:30] just fake it. works for me' [01:31] NaCl: I would think "python libs" would be part of "python" :) [01:31] how do you put wicd on the xfce panel? [01:31] mancha: wicd-client should work [01:31] whatever works, I am not going to try to shame other people for the tools they use [01:31] same way you put other options on an xfce panel [01:31] alison, how's that [01:31] shouldn't wicd put itself in the systray? xfce has a systray widget [01:31] + 500mb of extra crap installed on your machine - all just to avoid to type in the ESSID and psk in vim/emacs [01:31] alisonken1noc: hmm? [01:31] python is used by other things, not just wicd [01:31] mbohun: Stop spreading FUD. Its a few MB, that's it [01:32] lol he's assuming gtk+ is only used in wicd. [01:32] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:32] mbohun: You still havent answered my question regardless [01:32] mbohun: once! :) [01:32] I have 4GB of ram on my laptop, might as well use it for something, vi doesn't use much [01:32] NaCl, wicd-client will bring up the netman and you can minimize it to a panel-set task icon, but how do you put it on the panel, say next to orage clck [01:32] don't you run FF, gimp, or any of the other gtk+ apps [01:32] (as in the network manager applet) [01:32] mbohun: can you show an easy command line to connect to a WPA2 network without having to define it first? [01:32] mancha: like a widget on the toolbar? [01:32] yes [01:33] i told you i use wpa_supplicant - i fill in the required information [01:33] you mean you define it as necessary [01:33] that is quickly frustrating if you switch networks often [01:34] and also if you only use some networks once [01:34] wpa_supplicant always times out and fails to connect to my school network by itself, but wicd never fails, even if it takes 5+ minutes [01:34] realy, honestly. I'm playing this poker game and because I use linux I win. I many chi[s ahead.. Why I chose linus. [01:34] mbohun: are you running a 486? if so, that would be the only reason I can think of where your argument has a chance [01:34] it has nothing to do what i mean - you simply need someone to tell you ESSID (if not visible), config settings, and password [01:35] NaCl, nevermind, got it. :) [01:36] jdetring (n=jay@rkiefel-intf.primary.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] alisonken1home: as i said - you had the point if wicd was really the messiah - get for example YDL for ps3, install it and tell me how does it work - it doesn't [01:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:36] mbohun: You really don't get it, do you. To have to know the ESSID, channel, encryption type etc, is not always possible, and when it is it is frustrating to have to define it [01:36] mbohun: because the PS3's wireless is weird [01:36] sometimes even when you have everything configured correctly the access point you want to connect to just plain old sucks, and something like wicd makes it easier [01:36] espeicially if you are never going to use that network again [01:36] mbohun: I don't really use wicd on my ps3, because I don't move it a lot [01:36] sad part is I don't remember having this many chips [01:37] Just imagine being at the pub and asking the bartender for the ESSID and the channel and the encryption type just to check email, and then wait while they go and find out [01:37] NaCl: haha! so it is weird for all those GUI tools - but it works with the cmd line way - no problem! wow! [01:37] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:37] rebooting. [01:37] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:37] stfu x2\ [01:37] mbohun loving the FUD [01:37] mbohun: the GUI tools work too. [01:38] mbohun: first, I would have to get a PS3 - and the last time I played with YDL was 8 years ago. As far as PS3 networking, it would depend on if the PS3 network hardware is supported by wext or not [01:38] wicd used to not work on the PS3. [01:38] alisonken1noc: it is now. It wasn't for a while [01:38] hum? [01:39] jeronimo (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [01:39] how can i unload all modules? [01:39] why would you even want to do that? [01:39] test [01:39] unload --all ? [01:39] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [01:40] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Client Quit [01:40] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-17-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:40] jeronimo: for i in $(lsmod | cut -d "" -f1); do modprobe -r ${i}; done [01:40] hahah [01:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:40] damn\ [01:41] "for i in $(/sbin/lsmod | /usr/bin/awk '{print $1}) ; do rmmod $i ; done" - run multiple times [01:41] :) [01:41] urthwrm: that not will remove the modules, right? [01:41] "for i in $(/sbin/lsmod | /usr/bin/awk '{print $1}') ; do rmmod $i ; done" - run multiple times <-- forgot the second quote for awk [01:41] cut -d " " -f1; my space bar is playing up [01:41] jeronimo: no, it will just unload them [01:42] urthwrm: ok thank you [01:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] it won't as in all likelihood you have dependencies and the lsmod is not in order [01:42] that's why I noted run multiple times [01:42] jeronimo (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Client Quit [01:42] but, by the time he get's the modules unloaded his system will crash anyway [01:43] it still won't work, since it'll bork on the same one each time [01:43] Suppose that I invoke a process in its daemon mode. Is there a way to get the PID of that started process, short of `ps aux | grep processname`? [01:43] no [01:43] ig uess you could use top [01:43] pgrep daemon [01:43] veritos: pgrep foo [01:43] nevermind [01:43] dont listen to me [01:44] urthwrm, feels a bit hacky [01:44] i'm talking about to stick in a .pid file so that i can blast it later [01:44] I fail to see how that is hacky in any way, shape or form [01:45] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-12-73.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [01:45] The process is written in Ruby, so it'll just get any ruby thing instead of the one that I want [01:45] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [01:46] also, if the module is in use you'll get no sugar [01:46] josh__: sorry about the earlier miscommunication. on review it looks like you were talking to mbohun [01:47] Looks like I run it in the background and then use $! [01:47] alisonken1noc: no problem :) [01:47] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Success [01:48] yeah that'll work: daemon &; echo "$!" > daemon.pid [01:49] yep, that's what i was thinking of [01:51] well i m going to collect wicd and NetworkManager failure screenshots/logs and post them in my webgallery :-) [01:51] congrats [01:52] mbohun: many of the failures I have seen were caused by people not installing drivers correctly. [01:52] veritos, i think it might not work as i wrote it [01:52] mancha, i figured it out on this end [01:52] er, it worked in my little wrapper script [01:53] haha, wicd-curses has a nasty habit of moving away from the config screen and going back to "scanning for AP:s" whenever i try to type my passphrase [01:53] yes, it'll work in a script, non on command line [01:53] NaCl: no one is saying that wicd or NM should do some miracles - but let me ask you - did the GUI tools at least display proper error message? [01:53] mbohun: thats fine. Go back to thinking having to define a complete network every single time you want to connect to one is the better method [01:53] you'd have to fix a little thing for it to work cli [01:53] mbohun: most gui tools don't read dmesg [01:54] josh_ gee - man! and you are going to lecture others about FUD! [01:54] veritos: it does that because the daemon is scanning [01:54] NaCl, yeah, and i want to be able to type! [01:54] how is what I said FUD? [01:54] It is a reasonable conclusion from your statements thus far [01:54] veritos: sorry, but it is sort of unaviodable right now (daemon design deficiency, sorry) [01:55] Isn't your point that the wireless tools are just as easy or easier than wicd and similar tools? [01:55] Action: deco gets some more popcorn [01:55] NaCl, are you one of the authors? [01:55] yes [01:55] despite having to define the complete network each time? [01:55] I wrote wicd-curses. [01:55] sounde like his point was he prefers to make his own wpa_supplicant config file [01:55] NaCl: Very impressive job :) [01:55] NaCl, no worries, i just have to cut and paste to get it to accept [01:56] josh: my wpa_supplicant file has 6 lines! and normally just 2 of those change - the essid and the psk [01:56] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-227.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:56] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [01:56] mbohun: use wpa-enterprise much? [01:56] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:56] i have never heard about wpa-ent [01:57] I just know I have about 7 networks I switch between and manually configuring for each one sucks [01:57] Apparantly it is possible to configure wpa_supplicant.conf to defer to wpa_cli [01:57] mbohun: it requires 3-5 network fields. [01:57] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant#Dynamic_method:_.27wpa_gui.27.2C_.27wpa_cli.27 [01:58] Look at that...I'm going to try it now [01:58] apparantly everything can be done with wpa_cli [01:58] josh__: yep [01:58] the enterprise stuff needs improvement [01:58] yes - as long as the network is defined in the config file [01:58] no, even if not [01:58] based on what I am reading [02:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] this is an example of wpa_supplicant.conf file: http://pastebin.com/m37f9c03d [02:00] just to illustrate how "hard" it is [02:01] that is for your specific network though right? [02:01] one of them [02:01] everytime you change networks, you have to edit that file? [02:01] or do you use wpa_cli [02:01] mbohun: I wrote a bash script(s) to work with wpa_supplicant from an ap side - it can get a lot more involved than that [02:01] josh__: actually, you can define several networks in the same config file and use wpa_cli to specify which config to use based on network ssid detected [02:02] NaCl, i finally get your nick [02:02] :) [02:02] mancha: :P [02:02] alisonken1noc: I know that. I am saying it is possible not to define any networks, and to still use wpa_cli in a way similar to wicd [02:02] this is what I am reading..perhaps it is recent functionality [02:02] true [02:02] no - i have 1 template per setup, i simply comment them out and uncomment the relevant one, i m not sure if wpa_supplicant supports something like wvdial - where you can have multiple configs, and then you just chose the the relevant one with: wvdial setupone or wvdial setuptwo, etc [02:03] yeah. [02:03] mbohun: In that case, that is not more convienient than wicd, at all [02:03] mbohun: I usually like to connect and forget that I am running wicd. [02:03] and my original points still stand [02:03] mbohun: read more on wpa_cli then [02:03] mbohun: write a script that uses dbus. :P [02:04] NaCl, remember i threatened to install wicd at some point, well i did, since i wanted to know what all the brouhaha is about :) good work. [02:04] mancha: it's only going to get better. :) [02:04] pass on my kudos to your other devs [02:04] "It possible to configure wpa_supplicant just enough that you can use wpa_gui or wpa_cli (see "Management") to actually configure your network connections, instead of defining your network blocks in the wpa_supplicant.conf file" [02:04] interesting [02:04] mancha: will do. :) [02:04] josh__: yep [02:05] josh__: that is how a future version of wicd will do it, except with dbus [02:05] So, the wireless tools dont have to be directly used? [02:05] iwconfig etc [02:05] one can call ioctls. [02:05] just wpa_cli [02:05] they still get used - just in the background [02:05] josh__: you still need to use the stuff that wireless-tools uses [02:05] hmm [02:07] i know that one day wicd and nm kick the bucket, and the world is going to be a better place without them :-) [02:07] hrmm, it needs "pynotify" for what exactly? [02:07] mancha: it doesn't need it. [02:07] That just makes it display notification bubbles. :P [02:07] oh goodness gracious, glad i don't have pynotify [02:08] thankfully mbohun spends so much time hating on wicd and nm and not time on procreation [02:08] 56 hehe is word of advice that I live bye [02:09] mbohun: While you don't have a problem with using defining each network you connect to, that is probably because you only connect to a few. If you connected to many frequently, then you would see it is a pain and be thankfull for tools like wicd [02:09] go fuck yourself [02:09] mancha: you also need a notification daemon [02:09] For those bubbles to appear. So, don't worry about it. :) [02:10] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] yes [02:10] go fys [02:10] apparantly /var/run/wpa_supplicant is a problem [02:10] bubbles melt well [02:11] josh__: ? [02:11] xfce has a not daemon [02:11] I used the minimial config on the arch page [02:12] and when trying to run wpa_supplicant [02:12] yeah [02:12] CTRL: Invalid group 'network' [02:12] Failed to initialize control interface '/var/run/wpa_supplicant'. [02:12] josh__: wrong channel? [02:12] i use my fuck off time to fukc off [02:12] no other process is running [02:12] josh_: for example alisonken1noc mentioned networks with hidden ESSID - how is the wicd dealing with those?, i mean all i said is that entering ESSID, psk in vim/emacs is not a problem, maybe there are really some people who need wicd - but i m not one of them [02:12] NaCl: why? [02:12] oh ffs [02:12] Well, you were talking to me about that in #wicd [02:13] mbohun: before you were saying it was unneccessary and worse than just the cli tools, or so it seemed [02:13] josh__: does your /etc/group file have a group "network" defined and is your user part of that group? [02:13] and - i saw these tools interfering - i just can't remember if it was wicd or nm [02:13] mbohun: hidden ESSIDs are a pain. [02:14] NaCl: I though since I provided the link in here would continue discussing it in here [02:14] and since I'm having a problem with it on slack.. [02:14] Ok, whatever works. [02:14] probably nm, since wicd will show "hidden essid" as the ssid [02:14] there was something about wicd interfering with something or other, no? [02:14] mancha: yes, but we (mostly) fixed it. [02:14] NaCl: well why don't you change your bank card pin to something like 1234? i think for you security is "pain" in general [02:14] alisonken1noc: no, no group network [02:14] NaCl, what was it? my memory is shot [02:14] mbohun: hiding essids is not security [02:14] or no PIN at all - that would make things even easier [02:15] mancha: non-alphanumeric characters in essids makes wicd think they're hidden. [02:15] well hidding ESSID, restricting access to MAC addresses, etc - helps the security [02:15] josh__: since wpa_supplicant twiddles with areas that are only accessible by root or appropriate groups, you may want to try it again using a terminal logged in as root [02:16] mbohun: first one doesn't. You find out a hidden essid by sniffing wireless packets [02:16] ok, trying that [02:16] Now...it seems to have worked [02:16] however, I get device or resource busy [02:16] NaCl yes, i recall that issue, it was bad regexing in the code. i thought there was something about the daemon interfering with regular iwconfig/wpa_supplicant though. or do i misremember? [02:16] hiding ssid sounds like the "security by obscurity" method that's endorsed by MS - and look where that gets them [02:16] failed to initiate AP scan [02:16] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-127-58-50.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] alisonken1noc: the NM developer also says that it is not secure. [02:17] NaCl: yes - so what? it is an extra step, can't hurt [02:17] some drivers suck supporting them [02:17] hiding the ssid is not an ounce of security [02:17] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:17] it is an ounce, but only an ounce [02:18] it is also a misleading name as you aren'thiding the ssid at all, merely not sending out broadcast packets [02:18] not broadcasting ssid is just waiting for someone to tromp on you because they think that channel is clear then [02:19] alisonken1noc: I am getting a device busy error, however I have nothign else running. Not wice and not wpa_supplicant [02:19] josh__: what card do you have? [02:20] could be drivers acting up [02:20] Axius (n=fim@92.84.21.205) joined ##slackware. [02:21] josh__: the other possiblility is wpa_supplicant being specified with the wrong driver - or using wext against a driver that is not up to par [02:21] _dfrank_ (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Client Quit [02:22] I have an intel wireless 5000 [02:22] intel's drivers are usually good. [02:22] maybe you need to reboot? [02:22] why would I need to reboot? [02:22] drivers get reloaded. [02:23] I can just reload the modules? [02:23] that could work too [02:23] i use Intel (ipw2200) and Netgear USB wireless (atheros driver) foth work fine [02:23] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:23] reboot == braindamage - points to windoze mindset [02:23] good morning ;) [02:24] good morning The-Croupier [02:24] josh__ has relatively new hardware [02:24] reboot is good sometimes [02:24] hows things? how are you? hows everyone? [02:24] iwlist works fine [02:24] which indicates that it is working somewhat [02:24] I am hungry [02:25] josh__: could be your hardware /shrug [02:25] hi agentc0re [02:25] hiya agentc0re :) [02:25] NaCl, The-Croupier: Heya! [02:25] hungry == time to eat ; [02:25] Action: agentc0re is about to go to bed. 00:25... [02:26] i just made whipping cream for a pumpkin pie i have to bring to work tomorrow and i couldn't let the rest go to waste so i am having some ice cream with fudge and the extra whipped cream... Thank goodness for fast metabolism. :P [02:26] y0 agentc0re, 00:25? lightweight. :P [02:27] fire|bird: ;) [02:27] fire|bird: well i'm not a zombie robot like you. :P [02:27] lol [02:27] my fast metablism left quite awhile ago, I can afford to miss a few meals at this point [02:29] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:29] agentc0re: chrome still working well? [02:29] the only thing i'm starting to notice lately as i get older is that i can't drink as much alcohol and be fine for a longer period of time. Not that i throw up, but i feel the effects sooner now.. that can be considered a benefit i guess. :D [02:30] i would live missing some meals, now missing updates or patches is another thing [02:30] NaCl: still haven't put it on the new machine yet. [02:30] agentc0re: cheap date ") [02:30] agentc0re: certificate management is a bit... incomplete [02:30] NaCl: was building a rodin coil today and i didn't do anything else. [02:30] man that was geeky.. can someone delete that.... [02:30] NaCl: sounded like it from what i read. [02:31] The-Croupier: s/delete/noobfarm [02:31] heh [02:31] alisonken1noc: if someone is looking to take advantage of me, however the wifey doesn't need that kind of excuse. [02:32] thats what i was fearing...thats why i said delete.. thanks man... [02:32] agentc0re: wife/gf/sigother - doesn't matter. cheap dates are always good :) [02:32] cheap and quick dates are always good [02:32] alrightey folks, I'm out. cya all later. [02:32] Longi (n=longi@unaffiliated/longi) joined ##slackware. [02:32] NaCl: bb [02:33] alisonken1noc: not always... sometimes they come with consequences. Aids for example. :P She was cheap for everyone else before you too, ya know? [02:33] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [02:33] i am follow suite. nite all. [02:34] anyone managed to get MIXXX (http://www.mixxx.org/) working on slackware 13? [02:34] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-fxnyeidhhslgafpd) joined ##slackware. [02:34] night agentc0re [02:35] josh__ (n=josh@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:36] Longi (n=longi@unaffiliated/longi) left ##slackware. 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[02:49] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@10-55-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:49] netstat lsof .... might help i dont know ;) [02:50] dfrank: tcpdump is just used to sniff packets going in/out of your network interface [02:50] tcpdump is not used for process management [02:51] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-115.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:51] alisonken1noc: pity. so, what package should i use to know what processes uses internet connection? [02:52] dfrank: as The-Croupier noted, look at netstat and lsof to show ports opened by which program [02:52] dfrank: read above... [02:52] nobody listens to me anymore :( [02:52] The-Croupier: well it's irc we can't hear things :( [02:52] The-Croupier: oh, i'm sorry!! [02:52] :p [02:53] deco: some people read loud what is written :p but they dont hear what they are reading...though they dont understand what they just did :p [02:53] it would be nice irc with mic options and camera options ;) [02:53] heh [02:55] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:56] is there a way to create gui applications that would work on most flavors of linux or unix as well...? [02:56] yes [02:56] what kind of app? [02:57] The-Croupier: hm, but nestat shows only Proto, Recv-Q, Send-Q, Local address, Foreign address, State. No PIDs on process names :( am i stupid?.. [02:57] gtk and qt [02:57] Action: deco loves gtk apps [02:58] dfrank: netstat -nlp [02:58] dfrank: you may want to 'man netstat' and look at the options as well [02:59] alisonken1noc: ok, i will. [02:59] thanks all! [03:00] dfrank: doesn't netstat -puta do what you're looking for? [03:00] alisonken1noc: i would like to be able to write different scripts and such and be able to run them on my own gui [03:00] but not know what kind of gui works everywhere....:( [03:01] The-Croupier: thought of python? the tkinter works on both X and MS, although not as pretty :) the other option is to write to the wxwindows interface and have whoever wants to use your script install wxwindows [03:02] in most cases of linux, though, qt and gtk+ are both normally installed/available for use [03:02] epigrammaticus: yes, this is it! :) great thanks [03:02] has anyone ever tried to generate /etc/mail/submit.cf from submit.mc? its always pretty empty...i don't want to edit that submit.cf directly, its possible but not recommended [03:04] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.42.197) joined ##slackware. [03:06] no, you should make your edits to sendmail.mc and generate sendmail.cf from that [03:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:06] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [03:07] no, you need to edit submit.cf or .mc to read trusted users [03:07] for outgoing smarthost [03:08] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] just don't want x-auth warnings in my outgoing mails [03:08] yes, in sendmail.mc, then generate sendmail.cf from that [03:09] no [03:09] i know sendmail.cf [03:09] yes [03:09] you can go ahead and edit sendmail.cf if you want to [03:09] but why? [03:10] geez...i dont need to edit sendmail.cf. i have to generate a modified submit.cf [03:10] o.O [03:10] pay attention [03:10] my sendmail.cf is done, ready, ok. [03:10] got it? [03:11] whats missing is an entry in submit.cf [03:11] there is #Ft/etc/mail/trusted-users [03:12] i need to get rid of the #. i can edit it directly in the cf, but i want to generate it from the submit.mc file. [03:14] without that, my outgoing mails have x-auth warnings because my user name is not my From: name [03:15] and thats the entry in submit.cf, not sendmail.cf. without uncommenting that you will have x-auth warning till the day you die [03:20] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-1.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:31] anyone know which packages I should reinstall to get rid of the nvidia driver libs? (and also, which one to get "nv" back, seems I killed it) [03:32] john_dee (n=id@95-29-10-113.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Camarade_Tux: why do you want nv back ? [03:33] hyke (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:34] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [03:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:35] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] bah, he left [03:35] ftr, I broke nv and wouldn't mind fixing it but right now, I'm on kernel 2.6.33 and using nouveau :-) [03:36] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A523.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:37] morning [03:37] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:37] y0 slackytude, how goes? [03:39] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h199.110.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] heya fire|bird [03:39] slackytude: \o/ [03:40] \o/ \o/ \o/ [03:40] Im doing fine, really busy the last few days tho [03:40] y0 Camarade_Tux [03:40] hows it hanging [03:40] was gettig worried not seeing you :P [03:40] its far too early to be awake [03:40] hahaha :P [03:40] really? aww, thats cute ^-^ [03:41] went to bed at 2am but already up, I've been tired for two weeks and unable to sleep ='( [03:41] slackytude: hehe :P [03:41] its job + uni. got a dealine at work and examns comming up [03:41] slackytude: you realize you disappeared for months? :P [03:41] I went to bed at 2am as well. slept in the bus [03:41] months?? [03:41] man, time flies [03:42] maybe not month but more than a month I think [03:42] well, Im sorry. [03:42] slackytude: you realize that during the time you were away ocaml could have taken over the world? :-) [03:42] hardly [03:43] Camarade_Tux: It was at least a month he wasn't around. :P [03:43] Camarade_Tux: http://xkcd.com/353/ [03:43] slackytude: I haz no X right now [03:43] fire|bird, Camarade_Tux and what were you up to while I couldnt supervise you? [03:43] gotta finish my installation of nouveau [03:43] slackytude: You don't want to know. :P [03:43] hmmm, ##slackware-offtopic ? [03:43] :D [03:43] slackytude: yeah, new ot channel ^^^ [03:44] slackytude: Also, Tuesday, Opera 10.5 pre-alpha comes out. :D [03:44] btw, notice how he appeared when deco parted? I'm sure deco is a bad guy -_- [03:45] morning [03:45] morning tewmten [03:45] yoyo tewmten [03:45] a little bit of snow and the whole country goes in to panic [03:45] tewmten: where do you live? [03:45] the netherlands [03:46] hmmmm, it's maybe worse in France, trains and planes have been mostly off or very late for the past few days >< [03:47] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:48] could be [03:48] heard about the eurostar story? [03:49] nope [03:50] well, people got stuck inside the channel tunnel for 15 hours [03:50] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:50] without water or anything, and without news [03:50] aaah yes i heard [03:50] that sucks [03:51] and then the trains have been stopped again without explanation [03:52] I took the train on friday, it's usually a 2 hours trip, took almost 4 :P [03:52] haha [03:53] i got delayed quite heavily due to a derailed train [03:53] erh [03:53] tram, not train [03:53] i'd heard that people had been stuck in a plane for hours a day ago [03:53] must suck to get stuck inside a train under the north sea [03:54] they provided cell video to the tube [03:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:54] mornin slava_dp [03:54] oh hai slackytude long time no see :) [03:54] Action: slackytude nods [03:54] I was away for months! [03:55] how ya doin? [03:55] nice and quiet at the office today though.. [03:55] alot of people on vacation [03:55] cbpye (n=cbpye@h152.109.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:55] Action: slackytude wants vacation as well [03:55] Action: Camarade_Tux haz them [03:55] :D [03:55] i just came back from my vacation [03:56] i was in sweden, lots of snow there and very cold [03:56] no chaos though [03:56] they are used to it [03:56] yup [03:56] slackytude, i was thinking just yesterday that i've not seen you online for a while :) [03:57] yeah, I kinda missed wasting my life on irc as well [03:57] damn, it's cold down here if florida [03:57] lots of snow in ukraine as well, for the last 3 days. [03:58] i'm pining to be up north in the snow :( [04:00] slackytude, what are you up to recently? [04:01] Im in panic coz exams are near and I have a deadline for early next year at work [04:01] I'll make three crosses if I manage to pass all exams this time :| [04:01] oh, and Im gonna move too [04:02] three crosses? [04:02] just a saying around here [04:02] k :) [04:02] I shall be very relived [04:02] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:03] Action: slava_dp loves learning about cultural differences [04:03] anything new and fresh on your side? [04:03] slackytude: where is "around here" [04:03] germany [04:03] christians in germany? :P [04:03] Action: The-Croupier hides [04:04] meh [04:04] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks The-Croupier in the grapes -_- [04:04] of course, christians in germany [04:04] what else [04:05] we got luther and shit [04:06] well, about to reboot I guess, unless nouveau works in X [04:06] (working in console right now, with KMS =) ) [04:06] (2009-12-21 11:04:36) slackytude: we got luther and shit | grep remove "luther and" [04:06] hrm, translator suggests "thank my lucky star" for the three crosses stuff [04:06] The-Croupier: I missed you too [04:08] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:08] I wonder what you guys were up to... [04:08] Action: slackytude checks noobfarm [04:08] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-1.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:09] omg; Hollywood actress Britany Murphy died!!! 32 y/o [04:09] not working [04:10] man man man.. outlook is slow [04:10] it just keeps ticking [04:10] slackytude: noooooo, don't go to noobfarm, it's going to be too much at once! [04:10] so far i have about 6700 unread emails [04:10] i hate coming back from vacation.. [04:11] HAHAHA! xD [04:11] tewmten: yeah, you should have stayed on vacation :P [04:13] doh, I was missing xf86-video-nouveau xD [04:13] slackytude: yeah, but dont say shit like that in the channel... very disturbing :( [04:13] lol [04:14] (hmmm, the latest noobfarm quote is epic though) [04:15] kde one? [04:15] yeah :-) [04:15] slackytude, fortunately i have no more exams since my graduation last year :) work keeps flowing. [04:16] there are so many i would upload on nbfarm while reading here... im afraid its gonna get overloaded.. :( [04:17] submit yourself? [04:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:20] chopp: not only... [04:20] ok, let's try again [04:21] hmmmm, not working [04:21] ='( [04:21] (I'm typing without any kind of visual feedback atm^) [04:21] slava_dp: sounds good [04:23] aah [04:23] third espresso of the day [04:24] <+Camarade_Tux> ok, I'll have to go soon if I don't want to have troubles removing some hairy 20cm-long thing from my ass on tomorrow morning :) [04:24] sounds like a party [04:24] and also distributing the mandatory monday morning death threats to my colleagues slacking around the coffee machine [04:24] slackytude: :-) [04:24] slackytude: noobfarm has been waiting for quotes from you ;-) [04:25] Action: slackytude tries to think up noobfarm worthy material [04:26] you can't fake noobfarm material [04:26] it has to come natural [04:26] like that 20cm long hairy thing from Camarade_Tux's ass [04:26] gotta reinstall xorg-server now [04:27] was my head, my head! [04:28] tewmten: I hate people blocking the coffee machine [04:28] they deserve death [04:28] slackytude: they weren't blocking it, just in the vicinity [04:28] it was enough [04:28] right [04:28] probably chatting as well [04:28] let's try startx again :-) [04:29] I have been playing around with linux mint the last few days [04:29] installed it for a friend of mine [04:29] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] altho its based on ubuntu, and comes with gnome, its quite nice [04:31] lenin` (n=kinginno@ool-182e237b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [04:32] much better :-) [04:32] but I don't like how the fonts look in xterm [04:33] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [04:33] he, I probably don't have 3D support with nouveau, but still, glxgears is faster than anything on intel hardware (for graphics) [04:34] so, you are in X with nouveau now? [04:34] yeah [04:34] gratz [04:34] needed an xorg.conf [04:34] but I don't like how the fonts look I think [04:34] and it wasn't hard \o/ [04:35] the kde4 fonts look all crap [04:36] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:37] Camarade_Tux, linus was exremely happy about the inclusion of nouveau though. [04:37] omg ponies! [04:38] Camarade_Tux, you on 2.6.32? [04:38] ponies \o/ [04:38] slava_dp: 2.6.33 :P [04:38] ahem.... ok [04:38] cutting edge [04:38] why not run fedora [04:38] well, it was the only way to get the kernel part merged [04:38] I'm following linus' tree [04:39] slackytude: nah, fedora is far less stable than that, and my lilo.conf has several entries ;-) [04:39] but the fonts look blurier, but I'm not sure, maybe it was because I got used to the lack of anti-aliasing in console [04:40] makes me wonder: anyone know how to disable font anti-aliasing in X? my eyes don't like it [04:40] noper [04:41] man, Im so tired [04:41] I fcking hate mondays [04:41] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-fxnyeidhhslgafpd) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:43] slackytude: oh, btw, I built my new computer while you were away :-) [04:44] oh, nifty [04:44] what did you get? [04:44] phenom ii x4 955 (quad-core, 3.2GHz), 4GB ram (waiting for the prices of ram to go down before putting more) :-) [04:44] graphic card is a radeon 4200, on the mobo ;-) [04:44] nice [04:45] oh, integrated ati, eh? [04:45] why playing with nouveau then? [04:45] yeah, not a gaming rig :P [04:45] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host126.201-252-199.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [04:45] slackytude: nouveau is on my laptop [04:45] I see [04:45] how much video ram? 512? [04:45] Nighty night slackeroos [04:45] night hiptobecubic [04:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [04:47] slackytude: yeah, I should use that additional ram as a ramdisk :D [04:48] meh [04:51] and how much did you pay? [04:51] got a new monitor too? [04:53] 360-380 euros, no new monitor, thought about running it headless but then I found a screen in my building :P [04:53] and a friend may give me a 19" flat :-) [04:53] meh [04:53] nice [04:53] Im looking for a new machine [04:54] I need a "media center" type of things in my new appartment [04:54] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] Id love to have one of them macs that look so shiny [04:55] matt0 (n=matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:55] and cost so muchy [04:55] well, if you want to build a comp, 2GB ram can be around 30 euros, cpu around 80 or less, graphic card around 30-40, mobo around 40-50, should be doable for 200 euros or less [04:56] yeah, screen is gonna be most expensive I think [04:56] john_dee: aye [04:56] we bought one of the new iMacs 27" [04:56] its used to present our software on an exhibition [04:56] of course, its a windows software [04:56] wich runs inside vmware [04:57] its sad [04:57] slackytude: they look shiny but their heart is dark -_- [04:57] nobody here has a clue how to use the mac, so its just standing around, looking good [04:58] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host181.200-117-181.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:58] that's what macs do [04:58] Hi, I've got two hard drives one with Slackware using lilo and one with Windows; Does anyone know some documentation on how to boot windows on a separate hard drive with lilo? I've googled but can't find anything D: [04:58] just tell lilo [04:59] matt0: lilo has documentation on it - it's the section on chainloading [04:59] google is also your friend [04:59] matt0, its no different from specyfing different partitions on same disk [04:59] Don't assume I haven't googled, buddy [05:00] so all you have to do is check the device name of the new windows disk then add it to lilo.conf then run lilo [05:01] matt0: have you looked in man lilo.conf (search master-boot) [05:01] oobe: Yea I tried adding "other = /dev/sdb [05:01] label = Windows" [05:01] That didn't work [05:01] matt0, you should probably try dev/sdb1 [05:01] Tried that [05:02] and did u run lilo afterwards [05:02] and/or look in the man page of lilo.conf for the master-boot option if you haven't already [05:02] oobe: Yep [05:03] and/or boot-as= ... [05:03] do you have windows installed on the disk or is it unformated [05:03] Windows is installed [05:03] when you run lilo does it list all the OS's that it added succesfully [05:04] Yea, going to reboot now and try something else [05:04] matt0 (n=matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "wut" [05:04] matt0: did you add chainloader +1 to that section? [05:05] yea, rite [05:05] does windows need a chainloader? [05:05] yep [05:06] *shrug* i don't use that option.. i'm sure he is looking to use map-drive, master-boot or boot-as.. all of which are in the documentation. [05:06] it is windows after all. it can be booted by grub like normal operating systems :] [05:06] *can't [05:07] grub boots vista just fine. [05:07] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] grub just chainloads bcd, no? [05:07] grub boots everything! it's a slutty bootloader. [05:07] master-boot is required in lilo.conf to boot from another hard drive. [05:07] oh, that dirty grub %) [05:08] it has to be punished, by being rewritten in winapi ;E [05:08] a fate worse than death... [05:08] and c# [05:08] eviljames, what? prelife? [05:09] Action: jescis just made a futurama reference :D [05:09] s/pre// [05:09] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:09] i think you meant unbirth, though [05:10] Action: eviljames + futurama = sick, inhuman connection [05:10] or maybe tyhe professor did... thought he said prelife [05:10] heh something like that anyhow [05:10] moovida is a nice player [05:11] slackytude: I've finally looked at your xkcd link [05:11] slackytude: python sucks! [05:11] ha! [05:11] nevar! [05:11] xkcd doesnt lie [05:11] Action: jescis loves futurama [05:12] Action: jescis also loves his Apple //e ;-) [05:12] xkcd is of a higher ordinance of truth than fact is. [05:12] and the 6502 processor [05:12] Action: slackytude shudders [05:12] that'd make a sweet anchor for my boat. [05:12] slackytude: -_- [05:13] Im kinda lagging behind with my python work project [05:13] deadline is in a few days [05:13] I like the whoose sound deadline makes, when they rush by [05:13] wooosh [05:15] slackytude: start rewriting it :D [05:16] eviljames, No I meant prebirth, I beleive. [05:16] heh it's all good. i need sleep. [05:16] I've been in bed all day. [05:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:21] gah. I never can remember that command exactly. I'm trying to do something for each match I have in a search. I know it's rather close but what am I missing ? 'find /tmp -iname *.tgz -exec mv {} /packages' ? [05:26] find /tmp -iname '*.tgz' -exec mv '{}' /packages ';' [05:26] and don't forget kids: run at leat xcompmgr when using nouveau [05:26] missing ; I think [05:26] y0 Urchlay [05:26] hey, slackytude [05:27] what you been up to? [05:28] don't need to quote {} actually [05:28] slava_dp: you did, in some old shell I used to use, doesn't hurt anything to keep doing it now I guess [05:29] (might have been bash 1.x) [05:29] true [05:29] Urchlay: you're ooooold =) [05:29] Action: Urchlay shakes his cane at Camarade_Tux. "Get off my lawn!" [05:29] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:31] Urchlay: thanks :) [05:31] Although, the syntax is extremely stupid IMHO.. Quotes and even semicolon.. What is this, C all of the sudden ? -_- [05:31] Action: Camarade_Tux sends a snowball at Urchlay [05:31] Urchlay: Ive been quite busy. exams at school, deadline at work and Im gonna move soon [05:31] Urchlay: how about you? [05:32] icarus_: semicolon is required as a separator [05:32] well, the semicolon is find's "end of statement" marker, the quotes are needed because you don't want the shell to interpret the *.tgz itself, or the semicolon [05:32] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to his browser :-) [05:32] icarus, find is pretty smart, so a smart syntax is a must. [05:32] and you can use \; instead of ';' [05:33] the {} apparently no longer needs quoting in modern bash, but in old versions, it was a syntax error because { means "start a function here" [05:33] which is even more ugly [05:33] Camarade_Tux: separator to what ? It should be perfectly possible for it to understand that "end of line" means "end of THE line" for find itself.. meh [05:33] if it was that easy, who would need IT guys? [05:33] icarus, -exec \; -print [05:33] for example ;) [05:33] slackytude: been busy with the band, played 3 gigs in 3 days one weekend, another this past saturday [05:34] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173.86.40.218) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] slava_dp: yea, *then* it would make sense, thing is. I'm not doing a damn thing after the initial command ;) [05:34] Urchlay: nifty [05:34] Urchlay, doing covers, or your own songs? [05:35] icarus_: if computers could read minds, we'd all be out of a job [05:35] that would be bad [05:35] Urchlay: and dead or enslaved :D [05:35] I couldnt afford any hookers and ale [05:35] slava_dp: mostly covers, a few originals [05:36] bah [05:36] two packages on sbo are bad [05:36] slackytude: you broke them! ='( [05:36] slava_dp: was in another band that was all originals, but it fell apart due to the guitar player & drummer having attitude problems with each other, apparently [05:37] nevar!!!11 [05:37] Urchlay: well, I still think it's a stupid syntax. Computers don't need to read minds for syntax to make sense. Python comes to mind as a good example :) [05:37] icarus_: whitespace as part of the syntax? probably not the best example you could have picked :) [05:37] but I agree with you actually, find *could* be made smart enough not to need that last semicolon [05:38] it just hasn't been... [05:38] Urchlay: YAY! I WIN! [05:38] so, write a patch [05:39] Like that's gonna happen ;) Anyway.. I have trains and stuff to catch... And snow to brave! (oh yes, I am *that* brave). Thanks for the help =) [05:39] yeah, syntax based on whitespace sucks :-) [05:39] I wish I had snow to brave, it never damn snows here [05:39] s/whitespace/whitespaces or indentation/ [05:39] Urchlay: ever wanted to visit Paris? :P [05:40] eh, if I could visit Paris before the revolution, I would (and probably get thrown in prison as a heretic or something) [05:40] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:40] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.171) joined ##slackware. [05:40] lol :P [05:41] I bet it wouldn't be anything like "The Three Musketeers" [05:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.53.176) joined ##slackware. [05:42] what revolution [05:42] damnit [05:42] the win7 vm doesnt boot [05:42] curse you ESXi [05:42] how surprising :D [05:42] slackytude: the french revolution, where they got out the guillotine and chopped the king's head off... [05:42] oh, that [05:43] long gone [05:43] I thought there was a new one or stuff [05:44] speaking of vm's [05:45] out of the three VM's avaible on Mac, virtualbox was the fastest [05:45] icarus_ (n=icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:45] altho VMware looks nicer [05:46] naw, I was talking about what I'd do if I had a time machine [05:46] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) joined ##slackware. [05:46] thats kinda boring [05:46] if I had a time machine, Id go wild [05:46] creating paradoxes like there is no tomorrow [05:46] slackytude: for windows? yeah, vbox is the best [05:46] eh, that's one of the many things I'd do [05:46] Camarade_Tux: no, for mac [05:47] and windows guests [05:47] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.53.176) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:47] Nick change: Ignacio_ -> nachox [05:48] urthwrm (n=hooch@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:48] |linXea| (n=Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:48] slackytude: yeah, was thinking about guests ;-) [05:48] slackytude: or parallels? [05:49] didnt see that one up close [05:49] but wasnt as fast as vbox [05:49] I'm thinking about buying http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/photo,connectland-fold-3000,266391 :D [05:50] slackytude: but I think it has better "integration" (blends better in the UI) [05:51] yeah [05:51] virtualbox is ugly [05:51] slackytude: I'd want to get drunk with ancient greek philosophers, see if I could explain to them how to build transistors or something [05:51] yeah [05:51] talk to socrates [05:51] show him a cell phone [05:52] not as much of a technological miracle without a cell network [05:52] bah, get a weapon and rule over the world [05:52] he'd end up getting addicted to Tetris or whatever game you can play on it [05:52] Camarade_Tux: boring [05:53] Urchlay: girlz! [05:53] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-190-118.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] plus, when you rule the world, everyone's always trying to kill you [05:53] Axius (n=fim@92.85.210.140) joined ##slackware. [05:54] now, I might consider giving modern weapons to certain groups of people in the past [05:54] Urchlay: i want one too ;) [05:55] but really, war sucks, no matter who's fighting it [05:55] Urchlay: two hot girls covered in chocolate might change your mind in war ;) [05:55] two hot girls fighting ;) [05:55] heh. One of them probably turns out to be an assassin [05:56] Urchlay: you could be a deity [05:56] does it matter? you will die happy ;) [05:56] bleah, who wants to be a deity? I'm too nice a guy to be a crappy deity, I'd really want to do good things for my followers, and inevitably I'd screw up... [05:57] (didn't you see the episode of Futurama where Bender becomes the god of the tiny people living on his chest?) [05:57] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] actually. I bet no matter how much modern "magic" stuff you brought to the past with you, there'd be people smart enough to figure out that you're just a regular guy with amazing tools, not a deity or wizard [05:58] Urchlay: you got tiny people living on your chest?!!! that is called dirt :p [05:58] bad guys have all the fun [05:58] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:58] slackytude: and the hot girls ;) [05:58] Action: slackytude nods [05:58] all women love bastards [05:58] Action: tiny agrees [05:59] to quote IT crowd [05:59] that makes me think...thats why they love me ;) [05:59] :D [05:59] they never love IT crowd cos none of them is bad enough.. what can they say..ohhh i hurt myself typing yesterday :p [05:59] you can always play a role [06:00] tiny: none is good enough in acting :p [06:00] heh [06:01] I was mr. nice guy for a long time ... didn't get me anywhere ... I changed [06:01] Action: slackytude goes to have lunch [06:01] see ya in a few [06:01] did you start sodimising animals? [06:01] nice guys dont do that [06:01] hehe [06:02] no really did you ? [06:02] tiny: Mr nice guy.. i love it when they go " ohhh you are such a nice guy...im glad i have a FRIEND like you" :p [06:03] nope ... just started treating women differently ... deep in their soul they want to be treated bad occasionally [06:03] The-Croupier: hehe, exactly and friends don't get laid [06:04] bleah, I'm just not going to talk about this subject [06:04] Action: Urchlay wanders off to do something else [06:07] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:07] SuBmUnDo (n=SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [06:08] tiny: depends on friends :P [06:08] Action: The-Croupier hides [06:09] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-qbvmiqjbrdofxqyt) joined ##slackware. [06:10] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:10] How to setup alsamixer to have the some volume settings? [06:12] hmmmm ? [06:12] ran alsaconf? [06:12] # alsamixer [06:13] then set up whatever you want [06:13] and the alsactl store [06:15] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [06:15] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] thanks for your help. [06:16] Guest11277 (n=nheco@201.14.224.233) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Axius (n=fim@92.85.210.140) left irc: "leaving" [06:18] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@10-55-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] tulcod (n=tulcod@a83-163-69-73.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:19] slackware "installs" packages by mounting a (virtual) filesystem containing that package, right? [06:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] no [06:20] that's what mac os x do [06:21] it extracts the package to / and runs the doinst.sh [06:21] hm... would it be possible (practical) on linux? [06:21] actually, I take that back: that's something that may be done on mac os x but is much slower than an actual installation [06:21] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@10-55-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] it is? [06:22] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:22] yes [06:23] 'kay, thanks for your info and thoughts :) [06:23] info <> thoughts ;) [06:23] tulcod: see http://limi.net/articles/firefox-mac-installation-experience-revisited/ [06:24] Camarade_Tux: oh, thanks [06:24] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:25] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:31] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:32] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [06:36] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [06:38] if I got a 25M to 8pin mini-din F will that work for the imagewriter printer *and* the IIGS? [06:38] and if so, I think I should get two. :-\ [06:38] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host126.201-252-199.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "leaving" [06:38] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:41] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [06:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.17) joined ##slackware. [06:43] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:44] uyf (n=magnus@c213-100-140-32.swipnet.se) joined ##slackware. [06:45] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-190-118.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:47] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-157-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:47] impy (n=impy@221.142-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [06:47] hi there [06:49] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:49] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:58] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) joined ##slackware. [07:03] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:04] y0 y0 [07:05] Guest11277 (n=nheco@201.14.224.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:05] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-169-138-27.range86-169.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:05] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:07] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:09] ma ma [07:09] y0 slackytude [07:11] y0 edman007 ^-^ [07:13] so... [07:13] i got 2 minutes.. [07:13] and then i haz 2 leave [07:14] uh oh [07:14] i dont know if its a flashplayer issue, youtube volume does not work, only turn on/off [07:14] I dont like quickies [07:15] slackytude, just set the clock back [07:15] crap...time is up [07:15] Action: edman007 leaves [07:16] -_- [07:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [07:18] uyf (n=magnus@c213-100-140-32.swipnet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [07:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [07:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] firedix (n=firedix@host214.201-252-182.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[07:43] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [07:43] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] i have installed slackware 12.0 on a few machines and it works fine. i am currently trying to install it on a Thinkpad t40, it has widnowx XP on it too, i want to dual boot. after installation, i boot and get a error in lilo, error 99. what causes this error? what can i do to fix it? [07:43] Good morning and Happy Christmas week :-) [07:44] *windows [07:44] haldir, Happy christmas week :D [07:44] mikk0: need to google for the thinkpad - I believe there's a couple of issues with non-standard reporting of drive geometry on some thinkpads that require extra options [07:44] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.42.197) left irc: "Leaving" [07:44] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [07:46] i have tried to find the info [07:54] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:55] |linXea| (n=Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3717, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-20 14:56:52 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [07:55] mikk0, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/30190-lilo-error-l-99-a.html [07:56] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:56] oh wait i think i found it [07:58] firedix (n=firedix@host214.201-252-182.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:00] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] mikk0 (i=mikk0@YYYCLXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: [08:02] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] damnit [08:05] got a zombie eating cpu cycles [08:05] aaaha! [08:05] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [08:07] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:08] any ideas how to kill it [08:09] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit [08:10] I need to restart ALSA.. it shuts down sometimes and (sdl) takes over... How can I prevent that and if now, how do I change back to alsa? [08:11] slackytude, by definition, a zombie process cannot eat cpu cylcles [08:12] slackytude, check who the parent of the process is [08:12] by definition a zombie has no parents [08:12] its a slackbuild running rampant. tar xzf sits on 100% cpu for more than 30 min now [08:13] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] i guess i meant orphaned (which could still be running). a zombie has finished running. [08:14] and it looks like init is the parent [08:14] which is odd [08:14] mancha, actually every process except init have a parent [08:15] not the orphaned ones. thanks. [08:15] I guess Im gonna kill X [08:15] slackytude, what's the state of that process? [08:16] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-qbvmiqjbrdofxqyt) left irc: "Page closed" [08:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:16] unless you mean the default moving it over to "init" who can receive a SIGCHLD for it, but that's merely semantics [08:16] if the parent of a process dies, then the parent of that process becomes the parent of it's children [08:17] and since init spawned the first processes in unix, then everyone is ultimately a relative of init :) [08:19] man man man.. we have some clusterfuck consultants helping out with our email migration [08:19] so far they're just screwing up user's inboxes. [08:21] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] its still runnung at 100% [08:22] tewmten, what mail service are you running? [08:22] Action: nachox looks at slackytude, "so?" [08:22] guaxinim (n=guax@201-3-238-239.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:22] the important message is not that there is a defacto adoption happening, the point is the parent has died before the child, leaving it orphaned and leaving all the supposed child handling also missing. but your point is understood, technically, the parent changes to init [08:23] nachox: it doesnt stop [08:23] how big is the tarfile? [08:23] slackytude, i asked what the process state was [08:23] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:24] nachox: I said Running [08:24] 167 megs [08:24] it has a "R" in the process table? [08:25] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [08:25] or at least an S? [08:26] slackytude, also what does strace say it's doing? [08:26] http://pastebin.org/67322 [08:26] yes, it has [08:26] pid is 20055 [08:27] looks like gzip died [08:28] hrmm, did you screw with its devices? i.e. did you run this in some xterm and then quit X and restart? [08:28] yeah, the xterm is dead by now [08:28] but I didnt restart X until after the problem showed [08:28] you can OOM kill it too :D [08:28] ok, kill the process and start over. [08:29] I want to kill it [08:29] kill -9! kill -9! kill -9! [08:29] it doesnt die [08:29] I did [08:29] ok :P i overdid this :P [08:29] kill -9 20055 doesn't work? [08:29] :) [08:29] slackytude, the zip file is not in an nfs share, right? [08:30] oom kill! [08:30] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:30] well, it'd probably kill firefox thoguh [08:30] though* [08:30] (it always kills firefox :D ) [08:31] rebooting is faster ;) [08:31] Camarade_Tux, can you invoke the oom killer manually? [08:31] slakcy? [08:31] slava_dp: yeah but I think you can't give it a target [08:31] obviously you can't :) [08:31] mancha: nope [08:31] kill -9 has no effect [08:31] nor has any other signal [08:32] slava_dp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq#Magic_commands : Alt+SysRq+f [08:32] slackytude: can you ^Z it? [08:33] Camarade_Tux, hahaha, i didn't know that! thanks :-) [08:33] the term is dead already [08:33] reboot? [08:33] 14:38:55 up 42 days, 5:37, 12 users, load average: 1.23, 1.15, 1.10 [08:33] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [08:33] noo! [08:33] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:33] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Action: guax finally got back to -current [08:35] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A523.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:35] slacky, who owns it? ps ajfx [08:36] slackytude: wait until you're over 42 days and restart =) [08:37] i love magic commands thanks man ;) [08:37] talking to me? [08:37] hello All. A question about samba, russian filenames and mc: when i look remote dir in console, russian filenames from widows looking OK. But when i looking from mc - there's "???" instead of russian filenames. Locale is UTF-8 [08:38] root [08:38] mc is crap, end of story [08:38] mc might not be unicode aware [08:38] id update to latest beta, or git [08:39] mancha: root [08:39] and why is mc so popular among russian users? i never understood that. [08:39] since its developed primarily by a russian team nowadays [08:39] things will get better [08:39] slava_dp: actually mc is not crap, for lazy people it's ok :) P.S. i asking not for me, but for my collegue [08:39] slacky, i didn't mean who owned it user-wise, i meant process-wise, did you run my command? [08:39] at least regarding that part [08:40] also, keep in mind that cyrillic is dead, america won the cold war, get used to the roman alphabet! :P [08:40] dfrank, you'll have to upgrade mc to the latest one, as the guys suggested [08:41] mancha, that's a fail, not at all funny :) [08:41] yep, thanks all. i will try, but i think that it's already latest version.. [08:41] Action: slava_dp writes cyrillic too [08:41] chinese would be even better since the us already started losing that war [08:41] mancha: is it post about cyrillic for me? ) [08:41] does mc support chinese? [08:41] it was, just a joke though :) [08:42] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:42] mancha: init [08:44] nachox, we both ended up overthinking this :) [08:45] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:46] this sucks so much [08:46] mancha, ?? [08:47] slackytude, it's time to call oom_kill :^) [08:48] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:48] how? [08:48] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:49] via sys req [08:49] ? [08:49] but wont that just kill a random process? [08:49] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:53] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:53] it'll kill the most hungry process. hopefully. [08:54] well, it did kill something [08:54] damned if I knew what thop [08:54] damned if I knew what tho [08:54] it killed your innocence [08:54] ha, thats long dead [08:55] slava_dp: as i thought, mc is already a latest version.. huh. ) [08:55] its supposed to kill a process with a high nice val [08:55] meh it killed opera [08:56] now it killed opera and bash [08:57] this doesnt appear to be a winning strategy [08:57] dfrank, build the svn trunk [08:57] slackytude, at least it brought you fun :) [08:58] dfrank, does mc have an option display bits? [08:59] meh [08:59] make sure it is set to koi8-r or something [08:59] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B16D57.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] what i know, is that on the latest system rescue cd mc displays cyrillic on a mounted ntfs drive just fine. [09:00] tested last week. [09:00] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) joined ##slackware. [09:00] might want to grab their patchset.... [09:02] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] slackytude, reboot? :) [09:03] but my uptime! [09:04] Id rather use OOM a few dozend times [09:04] Its bound to hit sooner or later [09:06] mancha: yes, Full 8 bits input [09:07] dfrank, thats not the option i referred to [09:07] what display codepage is it set at? [09:07] synfin_ (n=gordon@199.195.58.16) joined ##slackware. [09:08] I want to put E17 (beta as always) on my slackware box. Has anyone tried this, anything I should be wary of before I do it? I've found slack packages and some notes for it online. [09:08] E17=enlightenment [09:09] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-157-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [09:10] slackytude, the oom killer just sends a signal to the process the same way you do [09:11] synfin_, get sbopkg and use the queue for e17 found here: http://www.sbopkg.org/queues/13.0/ [09:11] slackytude, did you run strace to that process? where is it stuck? [09:11] synfin_, have fun :) [09:11] nachox: can I do that [09:12] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:12] -p [09:12] yes, you can [09:12] Yes We Can! :-D [09:12] strace -p [09:13] root@steffen2:~# strace -p 20055 [09:13] Process 20055 attached - interrupt to quit [09:13] nothing [09:13] wait a while, it's buffered [09:14] right [09:14] afk [09:14] slava_dp: thanks [09:14] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:16] mancha, i bet it will still be there when he returns [09:20] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:20] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:20] synfin_, welcome [09:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-182-3.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:23] nachox :P [09:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:23] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-221-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:24] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] nothing [09:26] hi all :) [09:26] this is madness [09:26] nachox: no output [09:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:27] ok this has taken up too much channel time. reboot. [09:27] :> [09:27] but my uptime [09:27] you've wasted an hour already [09:28] how bout out up^h^htime ? [09:28] our [09:28] killed by tar [09:28] sad girls in snow [09:30] slackytude, that tar file is in nfs or omething? [09:31] *sniff* [09:31] I guess I dont need the second core [09:31] nope [09:32] I just did a sh .Slackbuild [09:32] so, its in /tmp [09:34] show me mount [09:34] nobody thinks to execute a *.msi in windows and subsequently kill explorer.exe [09:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] http://pastebin.org/67340 [09:36] mancha: sounds like fun [09:38] ok, /tmp i just the local disk [09:38] i'm out of ideas, you're screwed [09:39] reboot and next time use a real os like... hurd or openbsd :P [09:39] Action: slackytude nods [09:39] but you are right [09:39] I was a filesystem error that caused this [09:39] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [09:39] s/I/it [09:39] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:39] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A523.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] bahC [09:40] ? 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[09:51] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] hi, I installed Google Chrome on my Slackware 13. The fonts don't look perfect. The way they appear on Firefox or Seamonkey. Why is that? [09:53] alreadygone: did you install it from SBo? [09:53] Maybe because Google Chrome isn't production ready? [09:53] Slackware Builds? yes [09:54] alreadygone: under options you can select a google theme or GTK theme. change it from one to the other and see if that makes a difference. [09:54] firefox and chrome uses different rendering engines, maybe thats why [09:55] dfrank (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Connection timed out [09:56] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. 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[10:36] hello :) [10:36] hi [10:36] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-rcdjopgfpqgbavqn) left irc: [10:37] vtcorrea (n=my@201.86.172.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:37] vtcorrea (n=my@201.86.172.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [10:38] never talk to anyone born in michigan and raised in tennessee. that person will be so mean you'll know why he got kicked out of Hell [10:39] I will send that to bash [10:39] I'm from michigan :( [10:40] thrice`: i said and raised in tennessee. detroit okay but hell i dont think so [10:40] does anyone use eclipse, deployed with the slackbuild script? [10:40] bloaed ide, if you ask me [10:40] then there's texans, the damn dildos [10:41] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:42] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:42] EricTheHax: give a texan an enema and you can bury him in a match box ;) [10:42] ok, what's going to happen, are you going to insult all 50 states here? [10:42] point is my stepfather (if you can call him that) is being a prick again [10:42] i've yet to see EricTheHax contribute here, he always seems to be trolling. he should get kicked or schooled [10:42] mancha, that's not the issue, i just installed it using the slackbuild, and as soon as i open a project and click anywhere it just dies, I mean no error message, nothing, as if someone called 'kill' on the process... [10:42] trolling? [10:43] any ideas? [10:43] i helped someone fix their x problem [10:43] Eric, yes, this is a slackware discussion channel, not the plce to whine about grandpa [10:43] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.42.197) joined ##slackware. [10:43] i havent gotten the chance to help many people :\ [10:43] free, any things of importance in the SBo readme? [10:44] I think some entertainment is ok [10:44] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] EricTheHax: so stop talking abusively about people in your neighborhood. We do not care [10:45] mancha, nope, the README just describes what eclipse is in a few words... [10:45] EricTheHax don't get me wrong, things drift to OT sometimes too, but you seem to do it all the time [10:45] This is not the pub around the corner - this is a support channel [10:46] i just havin a bad day. my head's poundin, my family's unstable, and i think i may have a fever [10:48] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176091035.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] sometimes i type in the wrong channel and it all goes to hell... so, will the linux-wacom thing make my g-pen (rebranded waltop) work? [10:49] mikk0 (i=mikk0@YYYMKCXXVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:50] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:50] brb restarting x [10:51] EricTheHax (i=Angel@unaffiliated/ericthehax) left irc: " go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars" [10:51] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176091035.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:51] lol what's up with that guy [10:52] does eclipse write to some log file anywhere? [10:53] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@a85-139-11-235.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Administrator (n=Administ@static-host119-73-3-110.link.net.pk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Nick change: Administrator -> Guest64128 [10:53] mikk01 (i=mikk0@YYMYXXXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:54] free, i nuked eclipse long ago (so was likely on an older version) and don't recall any issues. it is a precompiled binary right? [10:54] yep [10:54] and the symptom is you run it and it doesn't start up or starts and dies imediately after? [10:55] you've got the java jre installed too, right? [10:56] iirc they don't outright say gcj will be an issue but they also don't lend a sympathetic hand. what jre are you using? [10:56] it runs but for example when i click on Javadoc tab or when i write code and the automatic code completion box is about to pop-up it the whole IDE dies [10:56] padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [10:58] a plugin issue? [10:58] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:58] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.164.152) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i don't know to be honest, but maybe we can work through it [10:59] now, things are well tested on SBo so it might be a system specific issue (to your system). what slackware? did you do a custom install/full install, etc? [11:00] full install, slackware 13.0, 32-bit [11:03] Within scheme if I declare the following definitions (define x 3) (local [(define y (+ x 2)) (define x 9)]) does the definition of 'y' use the value 'x' (declared outside the local) or 'x_0' (the x within the local) [11:03] (no drscheme here) [11:03] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:03] Woops wrong chan [11:06] and you used the version the SBo script is made for? [11:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:07] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] slackytude, what fs problem were you talking about? [11:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.17) left irc: [11:21] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h199.110.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:24] mancha, you were right, it is a system specific issue, according to the error report, the error occurred outside the JVM [11:25] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:28] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.164.152) left irc: "Leaving" [11:28] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173-86-6-138.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [11:32] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A523.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-182-230.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.16) joined ##slackware. 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[12:32] svn co http://server_adress/file_to_retreive does not work of course [12:33] flip mino? [12:34] mrselfpwn: yeah, something like that.. flip mini [12:34] the protocol is https [12:34] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:34] paissad-hp: I only have a passing familiarity with svn, but would svn cp _path_to_file_ work? [12:35] Has the xorg.conf location changed in 13 / -current? I'm trying to get it to use the nvidia driver but X won't pick it up. [12:35] TheTrash: and Xorg will not start w/o xorg.conf? [12:36] It starts, but uses the non-accelerated nv. [12:36] TheTrash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is correct, but you need to create it. [12:36] TheTrash: if you downlaod the drivers from nvidia's website , the installer will create your xorg.conf for you [12:37] Scuzz, it did, but X is not picking it up. [12:37] Let me check the logs. [12:37] Please pastebin the log file, then. [12:37] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:37] Oh wait, never mind... apparently it didn't show the splash screen. [12:38] (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART. etc. etc [12:38] That's been disabled by default for a while, iirc. [12:38] yep [12:38] Oh, I guess it's been a while since I updated the drivers then, heh. [12:38] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [12:39] eviljames: yeah that's a pretty good and inexpensive one thanks [12:39] Anyone running a Xinerama setup in 13 or -current, by chance? [12:39] The KDE thingy isn't picking it up, I guess it needs Xorg.conf fiddling or something else. [12:40] we can help you if you actually paste your log and/or xorg.conf ;) [12:40] TheTrash: i am [12:40] Doesn't the nvidia driver come with a GUI utility for configuring things like multiple displays? [12:40] though with xfce and yes, pastey your log [12:41] adamk: yes, thought it needs to be ran as ROOT [12:41] for the xorg.conf changes [12:41] adamk, it does, but i've never been able to get away with not having to edit xorg.conf [12:41] Action: thrice` <3 intel + xrandr [12:42] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-157-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:42] hi there [12:42] hellflo [12:43] Guest34922 (n=xor@CPE-121-215-139-135.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:43] You know what, I think I'll just use my old xorg.conf. [12:44] pattwo (n=pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Nick change: Guest34922 -> Nohu [12:44] oh, thanks for the status update [12:45] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Greetings Programs [12:46] >_> [12:46] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-206-058.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [12:46] The nvidia-settings app doesn't show fonts, but only blocks, heh. [12:46] then fix your fonts [12:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:47] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [12:49] mrselfpwn: it's something wrong with pango. [12:50] Well, my old config still works, I'll try config-less setup again in 5 years or so, heh. [12:50] TheTrash: go into fluxbox and run nvidia-settings as root [12:51] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [12:54] config-less doesn't work with nvidia on dual display. [12:55] afaik, dual display only marginally works with config-less [12:55] adamk, et al. -- i have the relavant xorg.conf stuff for nvidia two (twinview) and three (xinerama) setups if you need them [12:55] my laptop will complain about it, on intel gfx [12:55] you'll have to change the hardware settings, that's about it [12:55] hey eviljames [12:58] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:02] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [13:03] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] hello hoobop [13:04] hey :) [13:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] hi [13:07] amarok just played a joke with me [13:07] started skipping tracks in my playlist [13:07] it skips all mp3 [13:08] but plays wma [13:08] that may not be a joke; that may be a critique [13:08] :) [13:08] in the terminal it says: xine is asking to seek behind the end of the data stream [13:08] kill amarok and try again? [13:08] (may work) [13:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) joined ##slackware. [13:09] doesn't :( [13:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:10] hmmm... not just "quit" amarok, see if it's still running and kill the process [13:10] jup [13:10] just did that [13:10] still the same [13:11] i doubt it is playing a joke on you XD [13:12] sounds like there might be a library missing or equiv.. [13:12] which package does 'libxpcom_core.so' belong to? [13:12] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) joined ##slackware. [13:13] strange think library missing [13:13] played fine yesterday [13:13] and nothing was done on this pc [13:13] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B16D57.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:14] maby some library got corrupt? [13:14] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] more likely there's just something leftover that's running, or something that's not running that should be, zux [13:15] xine, whatever... [13:15] you could always (man, i can't believe i'm about to say this) reboot... [13:16] i could reboot [13:16] but [13:16] lol [13:16] lmao [13:16] :D [13:16] you could! [13:16] freelibrary: mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.23-x86_64-1 seamonkey-2.0-x86_64-3_slack13.0 [13:16] i'd like to find out what went wrong [13:16] but you would lose so much cred using an MS solution to a linux problem, you probably wouldn't be able to live with yourself [13:17] restart x [13:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [13:17] see if that fixes things [13:19] epoch (i=1000@adsl-99-155-148-139.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] hello! i was wondering if anyone here could help me close up some ports to the outside world...like i dont need X listening on 6000 or port 37,53 open [13:20] freelibrary, can you disable the eclipse browser: PHPeclipse ? [13:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:21] nope, classic, galileo [13:21] ? [13:22] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] i put -nolisten tcp in /usr/bin/startx in the defaultserverflags section [13:22] are you doing PHP development? is this where it is crashing? [13:22] 37 can be taken care of by commening out time in inetd, 53 is dns [13:22] defaultserverargs="-nolisten tcp -dpi 120" [13:22] no i'm not doing php development [13:23] and about three lines down [13:23] serverargs="-nolisten tcp -dpi 120" [13:23] epoch: the most secure way is to close all ports by default and then only open the ones you use as needed [13:23] the -dpi 120 will bump the fonts up, you can ignore that if you want [13:23] thanks Pig_Pen [13:23] added that [13:24] now how to get 37 closed [13:24] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:24] NyteOwl: is correct epoch you should fix up an iptables firewall [13:24] ok, i'll restart X [13:24] 37 = time and 113 = auth, those are the only 2 left it seems [13:24] it's not a reboot after all [13:24] Pig_Pen, i remember doing it on like....slack 10.2 [13:24] hmm [13:24] didnt have any adverse effects on anything [13:24] so 'libxpcom_core.so' is not an independent project, it does not come with the eclipse package, but eclipse uses it despite that [13:25] since when X doesn't restart with alt+ctrl+backspace? [13:25] i remember it involved commenting out a line in some file in /etc [13:25] i just cant remember the file :( [13:25] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:25] That has to do with DontZap [13:25] google it. [13:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:26] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] /etc/inetd seems to be what im looking for (i think) [13:26] guess that means zux used the reboot option... [13:27] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A766EC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:27] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:27] or not... [13:27] Action: The-Croupier greets [13:27] zux, did it work? [13:27] zux_ (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hmm [13:27] no [13:28] didn't :( [13:28] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173-86-6-138.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] now only 113 is open even though i commented it out in /etc/inetd.conf [13:28] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] epoch: kill -HUP [13:28] zux, just reboot; no need to turn something minor into an all-day thing [13:28] freelibrary what else have you installed that is not part of the official distrib? [13:28] tediosu, i did ./rc.inetd restart [13:29] that took care of 37/time [13:29] but not 113/auth [13:29] well [13:29] the day is allmost over here [13:29] so i'm just gonna make it an all-evening problem [13:30] i am not sure if it still works anymore since it could be obsolete, if you want to forbid everything add ALL: ALL PARANOID to /etc/hosts.deny [13:30] epoch: so i think you have forgotten something [13:30] auth is not tcp-wrapped [13:30] tediosu, me too :( [13:30] except for matlab, all extra software has been installed with the help of slackbuild scripts [13:31] tediosu, where else would it be? [13:31] you can get a tcpwrapper aware ident daemon but the stock slack one isn't [13:31] why don't you just drop everything with iptables? [13:31] ok, reboot here [13:31] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] zux_ (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: Connection timed out [13:32] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [13:33] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) left irc: No route to host [13:35] epoch: look for in.identd in /etc/inetd.conf [13:35] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] zux_ (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:37] #auth stream tcp wait root /usr/sbin/in.identd in.identd [13:37] had it commented already, but it seems something else is firing up in.identd [13:38] i can say that i am a little bit glad that the reboot didn't help :) [13:38] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:39] Nick change: Ignacio__ -> nachox [13:39] zux_ (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:40] somthing must br wrong with the mp3 playback, right? [13:40] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:41] epoch: just kill identd -> /etc/identd.pid [13:41] i did [13:41] but i wonder if it will return when i reboot [13:42] it won't :) [13:42] what else would start /usr/sbin/in.identd i wonder [13:42] ok [13:42] timaum (n=user@201.17.8.157) joined ##slackware. [13:42] i am going to test right now [13:42] be right back =) [13:42] epoch (i=1000@adsl-99-155-148-139.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] Nick change: timaum -> lucianosousa [13:43] zux, something to check: does any other player play the mp3 files? [13:43] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] (need to know if the problem is amarok specific) [13:43] Nick change: lucianosousa -> c1rca [13:43] does anyone know where i could find a compiled package of the newest grub bootloader, that is compatible with slackware 12.0? [13:44] audiacious deosn't play too [13:46] Anyone have Squid with +- 4k users? [13:47] mikk0: err... ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.0/extra/grub/ [13:47] epoch (n=epoch@adsl-99-155-148-139.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ahh no [13:48] Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-12-21 13:48 EST [13:48] All 1000 scanned ports on localhost (127.0.0.1) are closed [13:48] hooray! thanks =) [13:48] this one is a different error now [13:48] epoch, congrats [13:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422405.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] danke sehr [13:49] but why didn' t you just do it with iptables? [13:49] c1rca (n=user@201.17.8.157) left ##slackware. [13:49] "If no one can maintain the code you write, you have a job for life." <- FFFFUUUUUUUUUU [13:49] im not familiar with iptables [13:50] i think iptables would be a better way [13:50] if i dont have any open ports, there's no way in right? [13:50] the door to your office... [13:50] (bad joke, sorry) [13:50] easier to close everything and open the ports you want opened with tables, i would think [13:50] becouse they cut off every connection before it makes to the software that might be listening on that port [13:51] safety from SYN ddos from dalnet kiddies [13:51] now to figure out how to block icmp ping... [13:51] what's the story on that ddos attack? [13:51] anyone know the details? [13:51] so even if some bad software opens a port and you don't know about it, no one can access it, iptables still doesn't let ti be accessed [13:52] but back to my problems with sound, the reboot acually helped, this one is a different problem [13:52] can anyone tell where can i blacklist module snd_usb_audio? [13:52] couldnt it be done with sysctl though [13:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [13:53] like some of these commands http://ep0ch.net/code/ddos_prevention.sh.txt [13:53] the webcam is misteriusly creating a fake sound card, which gets detected as default... [13:54] zux: rc.modules [13:54] wow you murdered that word [13:54] redrum [13:55] that module is not listed in rc.modules [13:55] or is the blacklist also there? [13:55] epoch: don't tell me... now _you_ are afraid of DDoS? After launching a massive DDoS attack against this channel in the past yourself? [13:56] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] zux: this is happening on boot? If so, you could use udev to ensure your sound cards are named correctly [13:57] durrr /me <- dumb [13:57] zux: /etc/modprobe.d <- blacklisting [13:58] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:58] epoch did that?!!! shame on the mess! [13:59] ok, i blacklisted it in modprobe.d [13:59] gonna try a reboot later [13:59] alienBOB, uhhh, what? [13:59] i havent launched any ddos attack against this channel [14:00] You're the same epoch, with the same x80 registered Freenode name [14:00] sure [14:00] i havent launched any ddos attack against this channel [14:01] What's a good program in slackbuilds ot play last fm? [14:01] danger, never eat a peanutbutter sandwich without coffee or something to wash it down with [14:01] Chakravanti, streamtuner for radio streaming [14:01] thanks [14:04] ok, seems peter's ident has no issues with being called by tcpd (i was misremembering) [14:05] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-215.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] epoch: there's no denying [14:05] my suggested inetd line for those of you wishing to harden things: auth stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.identd [14:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[14:12] Channel flood from alienBOB -- kicking [14:12] Goodbye. -rworkman) [14:12] 11:26 seriously wtf [14:12] alienBOB kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:12] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [14:12] ;-) [14:12] alienBOB, I was talking to rworkman not even a week ago. [14:12] Damn flooders [14:12] way way to go [14:12] The tirade in that PM gopes on and on [14:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] alienBOB, Stop attacking me. [14:12] epoch: if you were talking to rworkman then what was that about? [14:13] padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.250) left irc: "going to bet........" [14:13] I am not attacking you - I am exposing you for what you are [14:13] epoch: This is simple. It's not your channel, it's theirs. [14:13] If they want you out..they don't really need a valid reason [14:13] straterra...that's not the issue [14:13] Sure it is. It doesn't matter why they don't want you out..you aren't wanted here, obviously [14:13] not to mention it takes a lot of hard work to get rworkman mad at you [14:14] Wow. [14:14] epoch: if you were talking to rworkman then what was that about? Please answer this question [14:14] In a PM i fyou want [14:14] alienBOB, The conversation was between him and I. [14:14] "him and me" [14:15] OK then there is no alternative but to kick you again for denying your past role? [14:15] But I'll check with rworkman first [14:15] What is your issue? [14:15] How about stop attacking me? [14:16] I haven't caused any problems...and you just come out of left field with logs from 2 years ago. [14:17] i didn't see a datestamp, so it was you i guess :) [14:17] lol [14:17] So what if I argued in here 2 years ago. [14:17] Indeed he knows more than he admits [14:17] If you hold a grudge for that long...seek counselling. [14:18] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" [14:18] You argued, _and_ used a botnet to DDoS this channel [14:18] I deny that. [14:18] I argued, there was no botnet. [14:18] I _never_ forget nor forgive someone who uses DDoS to make a point [14:18] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] alienBOB, okay? [14:18] No [14:19] "no" [14:19] Not okay at all. There was a DDoS and you initiated it. With whatever means [14:19] Perhaps you should step away from the computer...you seem to be angry at two years ago... [14:19] I didn't botnet this channel. [14:19] You admit it now, why did you lie some minutes ago? [14:19] I did argue in here 2 years ago. Shame on me. [14:20] I argue in here, often too much. Never with a botnet, though. [14:20] eviljames: YES YOU DO [14:20] You DDoS-ed this channel. I've sent a message to the other admins to evaluate your presence here [14:20] I've never 'botnetted' anyway. [14:20] straterra: fwiw, I'm getting better about coralling the arguments to ##slackware-offtopic :P [14:20] Wow alienBOB. [14:20] eviljames: i kill you. silence! [14:21] That chan exists? [14:21] mrselfpwn: no, no, no, it's "Silence, I keeel you!!" [14:21] :P [14:21] straterra: yes [14:21] lol [14:21] straterra: indeed it does, specifically because I argue too much :P [14:21] alienBOB, Get over it...it was two years ago. [14:21] Maybe even three. [14:24] better :) [14:25] alienBOB, I remember like 4 years ago...You argued in here. I've alerted the proper authorities and soon you will be dragged out of your house to be drawn and quartered, because I haven't gotten over it. I don't forgive imperfect chatters. [14:26] epoch, it's enough [14:26] A mirror is the best defence. [14:26] nachox, okay. [14:26] I thought the best defense was a good offense? [14:27] If only the steelers knew that this year... [14:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-177-144.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] freebse (n=freebse@g225226113.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:31] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] cteg_ (n=heretic@host-091-097-168-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [14:33] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-206-058.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:33] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-31-12-73.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Go bama [14:35] Barack Me Obamadeus [14:35] slackytude: :o [14:35] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:f9) joined ##slackware. [14:35] y0 deco [14:36] slackytude: long time no see :) [14:36] slackytude: how's it going ? [14:36] deco, aye. Ive been pretty busy. All is well tho. Could be better too, I guess. how about you? [14:37] slackytude: hehe cool ,learned some more here and there , but gonna start learning c this week [14:37] fun! [14:37] on your own? [14:38] slackytude: yeah reading the c book :) [14:38] K&r book [14:39] rafu (i=1000@77.53.11.182) left irc: "leaving" [14:41] thats good. doing it without a book is hard [14:42] you gonna mess with c++ as well? [14:42] yeah after learnign c so i can learn about OOP [14:42] learning* [14:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:44] Action: epoch makes it easy for alienBOB [14:44] epoch (n=epoch@adsl-99-155-148-139.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:45] EricTheHax (i=Angel@unaffiliated/ericthehax) joined ##slackware. [14:45] oop is pretty important [14:46] altho I dismissed it at first [14:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:46] couldnt see the point [14:46] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] my fucking flash player now refuses to fucking work for fuck's sake. I've restarted X, I've reinstalled the player and restarted X, it won't fucking play anything any fucking more! im fuckin freakin out! it worked for a few hours now it doesn't and ive been working on making it work for a fuckin hour [14:48] what the fuck do i do im fuckin desperate :( [14:49] slackytude: yeah linus says it's overrated :p [14:49] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] EricTheHax: what are you twelve? [14:49] no im pissed [14:50] it's probably worn out from all the "fuckin" :; [14:50] mind watching the language here? [14:50] EricTheHax: you were warned before tp watch your language [14:50] EricTheHax: do you have the latest flash? [14:50] yes [14:50] deco, depends on what you do [14:51] yeah [14:51] well i think i do... i couldnt get the .so working so i used sbopkg [14:51] EricTheHax: flash works fine for me. i keep the .so file in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [14:51] it even kows i have flash, youtube videos will just be all black not even a little bar [14:52] flashswitcher is another program for firefox you may be interested in [14:52] "addon" [14:52] will rebooting be any better than restarting x? [14:53] Nick change: slackytude -> TwinReverd [14:53] honestly i don't see why it wouldn't work as long as it's in the correct directory [14:53] Nick change: TwinReverd -> slackytude [14:53] garme (n=garme@201009115124.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:54] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:54] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [14:55] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [14:55] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:55] manually adding the so didnt work :( [14:56] impy (n=impy@221.142-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: [14:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] you're using what slackware? the 64 bit version or the 32 one? the bundled firefox or another one? [14:56] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3093D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:56] 64, bundled [14:57] it worked earlier [14:57] and its flash 10.0 r42 [14:58] run "file" on your .so [14:58] file? [14:58] k... [14:58] yes, "file /path/to/your/flash.so" [14:59] libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped [14:59] http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [14:59] you've downloaded the wrong version of the plugin [14:59] ok, as nachox showed in the url, you need the 64-bit version, not 32 [15:00] there's a ling to the url for the right one [15:00] *link [15:00] Nohu (n=xor@CPE-121-215-139-135.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] i'm surprised sbopkg didn't handle the 64-bit for you [15:01] and seriously, quit cursing so much and making yourself look more retarded than you already are ;) [15:02] I second that [15:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-182-230.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] yes it worked, now to cool down [15:03] *looks at backlogs* damn who was at my keyboard, Jack Black? [15:03] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] :) [15:05] see? much easier if you ask politely... which you didnt, that's why we wasted 2 mins bashing at you because of the language [15:05] lol [15:05] i need to lay off the caffeine withdrawal [15:06] speaking of, i'm in the mood for some high fidelity music, jack acts there ... and sings [15:06] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.142.58) joined ##slackware. [15:07] thrice`, btw, where are you working these days? [15:07] nachox, he works at mcdonalds [15:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnTC1b47--4&fmt=22 [15:07] you meant jack as in jack black, right [15:08] nachox, same job as I had just out of college, for about 3 years. somehow survived our economy :) [15:08] jeev, yes, but I'm not management of drive-thru relations [15:08] now* [15:09] I have my own headset now eg [15:09] EricTheHax, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_-iZYIofU [15:09] nice [15:09] oh cool [15:09] garme (n=garme@201009115124.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:10] thrice`, so you can irc and prepare a big mac at the same time? i'm impressed [15:10] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] nachox, he prepares two big macs at a time and irc's. [15:11] haha [15:11] probably can configure apache for php while serving you fries! [15:11] but... but... i wanted onion rings! [15:12] freebse (n=freebse@g225226113.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:14] the only time I can't irc is when jeev's mom comes through, she gets 10 big macs, and 4 orders of fries [15:14] ... [15:14] heh [15:15] lol [15:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] 10 big macs, 4 orders of fries... and a diet coke? [15:17] diet coke is important [15:17] dont want to go fat [15:17] anyone know off the top of their head if the armedslack that runs the sheeva plug is a 64bit arch? I have googled but couldn't find anything conclusive [15:17] three baconator's, 2 large fries, a bowl of chili and a large milkshake ... damn, now I'm hungry :) [15:18] Urchlay, you know the move THX? by Georg Lucas? [15:18] yeah, when I used to work at a pizza place, I'd see 400lb people ordering 2 large pizzas, breadsticks, and a diet coke, wanted to tell them "Hey, why don't you live a little?" [15:18] THX-1138? [15:18] ay [15:18] aye [15:18] I knew you'd know ir [15:18] yeah, long time since I've seen it [15:18] just finished the download [15:18] seems like a good chunk of it was filmed inside a ping-pong ball [15:18] heh [15:19] It's one of the highest rated scif flicks of all time [15:19] or so wikipedia says [15:19] as student films go, it's higher quality than carpenter's "dark star", but ehhh, it's still a student film [15:19] (plus "dark star" is unintentionally hilarious) [15:20] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:20] dark star. is that with the talking bomb? [15:21] yeah [15:21] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:21] was made to be funny, but there are parts of it that are funny because they're so badly done, instead of because they were meant to be [15:22] THX is just... grim [15:22] yeah, I remeber it. But I need to watch it again, been some time [15:22] yeah, doesnt look like a Lucas film at all [15:23] heh, that's what I said about "howard the duck" :) [15:24] lol [15:24] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:25] what is it about php that makes it always have new exploits [15:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] mancha: PHP is just messy in general ? [15:27] popularity in web host6ing [15:27] lots of newbies use it as a first language [15:27] heh, the two options i was trying to decide between and both mentioned! [15:27] So does anyone here use Epic on Slackware? [15:27] arcfide: i know of one [15:27] a) bad infrastructure b) higher profile so more chance of getting attacked/tested [15:28] epic is a solid client. what's the question? [15:28] i was too fast to say that all worked [15:29] it could be both, of course, php is messy code and also since it is high profile, lots of peopel are trying to break the walls down [15:29] mancha: Was that A & B stuff for me? [15:29] if it applies sure [15:29] also, php is just messy [15:29] meh [15:29] does php itself still keep having exploits announced every week, or is it just apps written in php these days? [15:29] mancha: Hah, I have no questions about Epic, it works well for me, but I was just wondering how many people were using it, and with what set of macros? [15:30] arcfide: what's Epic ? [15:30] you mean what "scripts" ? [15:30] icarus_: An IRC client. [15:30] mancha: Scripts, sure. [15:30] :-) [15:30] it's a hack (er fork) of the original ircii client [15:30] I know a guy who runs Epic on Mac OS X [15:30] I was surprised that I could not find ircII. [15:30] and afaik it is quite ircii-compatible in terms of scripting [15:30] but no idea what scripts (if any) he uses [15:31] Urchlay, I saw an exploit for php not too long ago, iirc [15:31] Ooh. I use irssi atm. TBH I'm an IRC noob anyway. So I'd probably have no need for whatever extras Epic offers [15:31] Hehehe. [15:31] Urch, PHP keeps having exploits uncovered [15:32] icarus_: Many people, I suspect, would think irssi is an upgrade of sorts. I usually see people using irssi, so that's why I wondered how many traditionalists still lived. [15:32] hm, slackware used to ship with ircii, long time ago. No idea when it got discontinued... [15:32] irssi has another plus, it is perl-scriptable and more people know perl than arcan ircii-script [15:32] arcfide: I just use irssi 'cause it's pretty ^^ (Yes, I'm awed by colours and terminals) [15:33] s/arcan/arcane [15:33] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:33] there was another popular ircii hack (er fork) which basically took ircii and the best from the scripts out there and merged the two: bitchx [15:34] bitchx, however, has died. no longer developed. [15:34] icarus_: Well, I suspect that anyone serious about using Epic actually has a set of scripts that make the colors nice. If you want colors, you could always use BitchX, that's enough color for a Tinker! [15:34] hm, maybe I'm wrong, slack 8.1 ftp mirror doesn't have ircII (does have Epic) [15:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] Whoops, bad Wheel of Time reference. [15:35] it's called the Wheel of Time because it takes so long to read that you notice history has started to repeat itself? [15:36] isnt the last book out now? [15:36] i don't hear too much about xchat lately...i remember when that was all the craze [15:36] Action: slackytude uses xchat [15:36] First part of it is [15:36] What do you need big new fancy irc clients for anyway ? The core functionality seems to be enough ? [15:36] first part of last book? [15:36] so my problem still is [15:36] amarok won't play mp3 [15:36] also amarok plays wma [15:36] it got broken into three books, didn't it? [15:36] Yes, the author wanted it to be one book no matter what, but that wasn't really going to happen [15:36] lol... zux, do other players work? [15:37] So they're calling it one book in three parts [15:37] but audacios plays mp3 [15:37] AlexElliott, that sucks [15:37] icarus_: irssi's perl scriptability is nice, if you speak perl and have ideas for things an IRC client should do [15:37] but its even worse [15:37] i don't understand all this client brouhaha anyways, i still telnet ircserver.com 6667 [15:37] for the german book market, they split every book of him into three or four parts [15:37] so you are looking at around 30 books [15:38] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@a85-139-11-235.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] its madness [15:38] mancha: you are a fast and accurate typist for all those ping replies? [15:38] lightning fast! [15:38] zux, i used audacious at one time; what engine thingy does it use? [15:38] Action: Urchlay hates speaking raw IRC protocol [15:38] alsa [15:38] and amarok is using xine... [15:39] does xine work on your box? [15:39] the frontend, i mena [15:39] gonna try [15:39] mean* [15:39] well xine itself opened [15:39] gonna try some media [15:39] ou [15:40] xine says that the format is not recognized... [15:40] also, xine plays wma just fine [15:40] only the mp3 thing [15:40] well, that zux (sorry, i've been holding back the whole time) [15:41] :) [15:41] so the problem is with xine, no? [15:41] jes [15:41] yes [15:41] i think that's the way i'd go about dealing with it [15:41] on, i'll reinstall xine [15:41] so, can you kill the xine process(es)? [15:41] well, don't go ballistic just yet [15:41] already killed a couple times [15:42] is it ALL mp3 files or the same one or a small number of files? [15:42] all [15:42] (wondering if the files are corrupt) [15:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [15:42] okay, sounds like it's xine [15:42] amarok just skipped all the files in playlist, untill found some wma to play.... [15:43] One thing that is nice about scripts is that they make it alot easier to ban and kick people as needed. [15:43] :-) [15:43] zux, which version of slack are you running? [15:43] 13 [15:43] xine 0.99.5 [15:43] just asking because i remember having a bit of trouble with 12 on my laptop that i had to sort out [15:44] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-168-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [15:44] i'm trying to think what could have started the problems, but really, i have done nothing with this box since yesterday [15:44] rephrase: trouble with xine on 12 [15:44] not with 12 itself [15:45] and yestrday xine was just fine [15:45] you got mplayer codecs? [15:45] dumb not so dumb question: do you have mplayer installed [15:45] ?? [15:45] s0d0, yeah [15:45] i was headed there as well [15:45] on 12, i got things sorted out after giving up on xine and installing mplayer [15:45] i have mplayercodecs [15:45] and wouldn't you know it, xine started working [15:46] :) [15:46] i think i had some problems with gxine on 12 [15:46] but i didn't sort those out after all... [15:46] yeah, i had those too, but i think an update fixed that [15:47] iirc, i updated gxine [15:49] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:49] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.153.55) joined ##slackware. [15:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-215.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:50] xine plays all video files i could find [15:50] aaRon1uS (n=aaron@84.123.245.225.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] so xine has lost it's mp3 decoders [15:51] any ideas where to digg further? [15:51] zux, just so that you can say you did, go to amarok setup, engine settings, and check everything over [15:51] ok [15:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [15:52] there are just xine and gstreamer available [15:52] Action: icarus_ wonders why he installed ubuntu on his parents' pc's, the damn thing needs complete upgrades every 6 months -_- [15:52] what's wrong with that ? [15:52] change to gstreamer and test [15:52] get debian then [15:52] same thing with gstreamer plugin [15:52] now change back [15:53] (there's actually method to this madness) [15:53] I recently installed Linux Mint [15:53] I likez it [15:53] isn't it just Ubuntu with a different default theme? [15:53] deco: I probably would if I wasn't so lazy. Debian testing is kinda nice for permanent installations [15:53] Urchlay: comes with plugins and stuff [15:54] was it the flavor that got you, slackytude? [15:54] Urchlay: There's a joke about Ubuntu meaning "I couldn't figure out how to configure Debian".. I guess Mint could be translated to "I couldn't figure out how to install plugins on Ubuntu" [15:54] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:55] i thought ubuntu was a word that meant: "slackware is too hard" [15:55] ?? [15:55] pretty sure it is. [15:55] It might mean "Linux for grandparents" though... [15:55] hoobop: then slackware is a word for "Linux from scratch was too much work" ? ;) [15:56] oh hmm mark isn't CEO anymore [15:56] Urchlay, I found the quality to be higher. better default packages too. [15:56] i wonder why [15:56] Depends on the translation :P [15:56] icarus_: too true :P [15:56] hoobop, huh? [15:56] icarus_: could be [15:56] icarus_: Or, more accurately Slackware = "LFS takes too damn long" [15:56] slackytude, nothing, it was a bad "mint" joke [15:56] so, does anyone have any idea, what library could xine be using, that is broken, and why is audacius using a different library, taht works? [15:56] eviljames: true :P - Actually, I've always loved the name. Slackware.. Perfect for slackers ? ;) [15:56] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) joined ##slackware. [15:56] zux: you could compare the output from ldd /usr/bin/xine and /usr/bin/audacius, check that way [15:57] hoobop, I see [15:58] Urchlay, but I haven seen ubuntu since version 8.whatever [15:59] no seeders for darkstar [15:59] xine and audacius have alot differences in libraries [15:59] cruel world [16:01] i downloaded ubuntu 9.1 to use as a live cd; hadn't looked at ubuntu since 6 something -- must admit i was impressed [16:02] reinstalling xine also didn't help [16:02] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:02] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left ##slackware. [16:02] if your ethernet cable is disconnect, and you reconnect it, how do you get the network connection to work again? [16:02] do you runn dhcpd? [16:03] that would be the daemin [16:03] if dhcp, then probably dhcpcd [16:03] daemon [16:03] but first run dhcpcd -k [16:03] if it was running before [16:03] zux: you should reinstall xine-lib [16:04] that too :) [16:04] reinstalled [16:04] cool! [16:04] hmm. how am i ever going to remember dhcpcd hehe [16:04] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:05] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.47.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] heh, got it working [16:05] mikk0: simple. Almost all dhcp clients in linux start with 'dh'.. just type 'dh' and press TAB furiously. Among the suggested programs will be either dhcpcd or dhclient.. You'll recognize the names when you see them. That's it :) [16:05] somthing wrong with my ~/.xine directory\ [16:06] pressing TAB furiously usually helps [16:06] deleted that [16:06] especially with zsh [16:06] and xine now plays mp3 :) [16:06] I swear since moving to zsh a couple of years ago, my tab buttons on every machine are starting to wear out [16:07] eviljames: why move to zsh ? Why ? [16:07] I tab complete _everything_ URIs, command line options, i tab complete instead of using find sometimes (**/*pieceoffilename* ) [16:07] also, im mounting my NTFS partition rw, and it still wont let me create a file on it. it says "Permission denied". how do i get write access? [16:08] mikk0: have you set effective uid/gid permissions? [16:08] now amarok also works [16:08] well im root [16:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [16:09] aaRon1uS (n=aaron@84.123.245.225.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:09] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:09] aaRon1uS (n=aaron@84.123.245.225.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.153.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [16:12] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [16:12] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:13] mikey| (n=Mikey@93-96-140-104.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:14] nice zux [16:14] congrats! [16:14] hello, I'm having a strange problem with `less`. It cuts off most the text when I scroll down using the arrow keys and shows the last few words of each line [16:15] any ideas what could cause that? [16:15] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [16:15] mikey| (n=Mikey@93-96-140-104.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [16:16] are you at some sort of text terminal? :D [16:16] bad terminal emulation? =) [16:17] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-157-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:18] Wheel of Time suffers from Author Existence Failure.. and the aforementioned Doorstop syndrome [16:18] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] josefig (n=JoseFig@201.132.49.213) joined ##slackware. [16:19] aaRon1uS (n=aaron@84.123.245.225.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:22] is there any reason, why loading the kernel at boot time, would execute unusually slow? [16:22] i just installed slackware, and it happens now [16:22] slackware 12.0 [16:23] you want the compact option in lilo.conf [16:23] lack of pio/dma [16:23] of, the loading of the kernel, sorry [16:23] compact? [16:23] mikk0: slackware 12 ? You sure ? [16:24] yup [16:24] 12 [16:25] mikk0: man lilo.conf, look for "compact" [16:25] pattwo (n=pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:25] ok [16:26] Action: eviljames mans lilo.conf again... [16:26] pim_ (n=pim_@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [16:26] pprkut: I was just in there the other day because someone was ignoring my advice on map-to, boot-as and master-boot :P [16:26] and run lilo after editing lilo.conf [16:26] when i boot from CD it loads quickly, but when i boot from the hard drive it loads slow [16:27] john_dee (n=id@95-29-10-113.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:27] mikk0: if it's all the same to you, have you thought about simply copying over and booting the kernel from the cd ? [16:27] the line looks like this in my lilo.conf [16:27] compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. [16:28] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:28] ill try that [16:28] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] eviljames: hehe [16:29] the line explains itself, why it's not enabled by default [16:29] i have never seen a machine where compact would not work [16:30] but i guess there are [16:30] holy smokes [16:30] had a dell that didnt like it for some reason [16:30] compact made it load like, in one period hehe [16:30] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-168-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [16:31] david784 (n=david784@c-24-63-184-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] kde's menu system is rather confusing. Does anyone know where they hid the keyboard shortcuts for switching between virtual desktops ? [16:34] iirc ctrl f1, f2, f3 etc... [16:34] but might be ctrl+shift or some other accelerator... [16:35] icarus_, damn, just when i was warming up to the idea of trying slackware 13... [16:35] oh I know I found it at some point which means I have some obscure bindings that KDE didn't really respect anyway, which is why I'm searching for the menu again so that I might fix it [16:36] searching the menu for what? That System Settings icon thta's at the top of the favorites list by default? [16:36] hoobop: oh don't mind me. I've always advocated Gnome instead of KDE exactly because of these things. KDE might be better software, QT might be better than GTK but Gnome has always been laid out in a more sensible way, if you ask me. [16:36] Then you smoke crack, if you ask me. [16:36] Zordrak: Yo, why were you asking me about bacula 3 the other day? [16:36] i'm just avoiding KDE4 for some reason [16:37] i allways advocate for xfce [16:37] so no problem with slack 13 here :) [16:37] hoobop: if you go slackware 13, just set up slackware-current mirrors and get KDE upgraded. Then it's stable, at least :) [16:37] yeah, that's the advice i've gotten; wondering if i should just wait for slackware 13.1 [16:38] Using gnome every day makes me actually happy when I come home to KDE4. [16:38] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) joined ##slackware. [16:38] eviljames: sure. But I can't find the damn shortcuts when going into the "Keyboard & Mouse" module [16:38] icarus_: I'm nowhere near a kde machine otherwise I'd direct you to the right place :P [16:38] jeah, they have moved/changed lots of optioins [16:38] try keyboard & mouse -> global keyboard shortcuts -> kde component: kwin [16:39] icarus_: KDE Menu ---> System Settings ---> Keyboard and Mouse ---> Global Keyboard Shortcuts. [16:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:40] wow [16:40] ut: yea, KDE => System Settings => Keyboard & Mouse => Global Keyboard Shortcuts => Kwin component.. My usability teacher would probably have a fit if he saw that.. [16:40] That all seems so intuitive to me, compared to gconf [16:40] So tell him to patch the code [16:40] yay open source! \o/ [16:41] linus sure did [16:41] and now he's using gnome! [16:41] poor guy... [16:41] eviljames: gconf ? You don't do any of this via gconf. Off-hand it's something like System => Preferences => Keyboard Shortcuts.. Much more sensible.. Who knows what kwin means unless they're really into KDE ? Usability-wise it's just stupid [16:42] yeah, torvalds was pretty vocal about not liking the direction KDE was taking [16:42] Action: ut tried to change his kwin shortcuts, and then remembered he was fiddling with openbox as a window manager [16:42] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] icarus_: I meant the way that every option is laid out in general. [16:43] icarus_: KDE works the way my brain does. It and I are very compatible [16:43] eviljames: Unless you live in "God's own country" where medical care can ruin you financially, I'd have that brain of yours examined :P [16:44] icarus_: hahahah fortunately I don't, and I have had it examined.. thus far everything seems to be working good enough :P [16:44] david784 (n=david784@c-24-63-184-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] takes all kinds to make the world go round. So while I am pretty vehement about my opposition to gnome, I sure am glad it exists as an option. [16:45] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] eviljames: Oh I must certainly agree! And I will applaud the KDE developers for trying to do something radical, even if it doesn't always succeed. It spawns innovation. Just look at how Windows 7 became inspired by KDE ;) [16:46] duthac (n=user@2.219.68.216.DED-DSL.fuse.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] icarus_: No doubt, win7 certainly lifted (err.. "borrowed") a pile of concepts from kde4. [16:47] mikk01 (i=mikk0@YMMMCMXXXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:48] NaCl, ping [16:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:49] mancha: pong [16:51] i've played a bit with wicd, (1.6.2.2) and noticed a few things i didn't like. there seems to be an unclean disconnect (for one, dhcpcd is still running). also sometimes the wireless driver requires a cycling (unload/load). [16:51] finally, this is evidenced by an increasing phy number [16:51] mancha: dhcpcd problem may be fixed in 1.7.0 [16:51] I've got the same sort of issue, but I blame suspend on it [16:52] mancha: the drivers can be screwey too. [16:52] tux, i have not used suspend while experiencing tis [16:52] NaCl, i am constantly hitting these drivers though, with mode changes and the like, and don't have the same issues [16:53] what card do you have? [16:53] i've tried this now with atheros and b'com [16:53] madwifi and b43 respectively [16:54] also, as a side note, wicd-curses doesn't play nice with latest urwid (0.9.9) but that's a side issue [16:54] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.61.89) joined ##slackware. [16:54] mancha: fixed in 1.7.0 [16:55] ok so 1.6.2.2 is not the stable then? [16:55] mikk0 (i=mikk0@YYMYXXXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] 1.7.0 isn't released yet. [16:56] As for the phy number increasing, I hvae no clue what to do about that. [16:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422405.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:57] seems to lock up and on the recycle grabs the next phy [16:57] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.161.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:02] NaCl, okay good work on it so far, you still have a fair share of work to do to get it ready for prime time :) [17:02] i think adding an ncurses client is good thinking for those of us who sometimes just don't feel like X [17:03] danny_aa (n=dan_AA@212.183.140.48) joined ##slackware. [17:03] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:04] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:04] mikk0 (n=mikk0@YYYMKCMXXXV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:04] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:05] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [17:05] oh to add to your debugging, this is based on the 2.6.32.2 wireless stack, i know they've been working on that in the last few minors [17:05] that stack is acting up a little [17:06] oh, you've noted problems between wicd and 2.6.32.2? what the last good working kernel for you all? i can test on that [17:09] Nick change: Guest13820 -> Matt [17:10] mancha: no clue. [17:10] I just test on the default slack kernel [17:10] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [17:10] can you link me to a reference of that stack giving wicd problems? [17:11] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:11] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-168-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.161.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:13] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.202) joined ##slackware. [17:13] i noticed wifi problems with 2.6.32 without wicd, so it might be furthur back than wicd, the only tool i was using was wireless-tools & a static config in rc.init1.conf [17:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/497775 [17:14] Nick change: merciful_ -> merciful [17:14] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:15] hrmm, yeah i fortunately don't have that. my signal is strong as reported by iw-tools and also wicd [17:15] connecting is not an issue either, it is just a dirty disconnect here. [17:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [17:16] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] i'll do some more testing to see if i can provide further details [17:17] Pig_Pen: i m running slack 13 - always with the latest kernel (2.6.32.2 at the present) - with the default wireless tools + default wpa_supplicant (default like in installed with the distro), and have no problem [17:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:20] i've also experienced no wireless issues with wpa_supplicant through the .30, .31, and .32 branches [17:21] could be my crappy wifi card [17:23] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] i noticed from time to time problems with wireless - but i never bothered to investigate where is the problem - if it was the wifi cards, or the access point, i use most of the time wired network, my friend blames the Netgear wireless router [17:25] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: "Távozom" [17:25] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:25] it is hard to nail it down to anything specific, but when you upgrade something like a kernel it does give you suspicions [17:25] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] mikk01 (n=mikk0@YKLVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:29] danny_aa (n=dan_AA@212.183.140.48) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] anyone know a audio mixer (like alsamixer, aumix, etc) that gives better descriptions of the device? O.o [17:31] trying to do USB microphone, seems from dmesg its worked... my alsamixer has changed...move mixers but its not labeled shit in a way useful ;/ [17:31] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.61.89) left irc: "Leaving." [17:32] cat /proc/asound/devices ? [17:33] look in /proc/asound for whatever you want, or in cat /sys/class/sound/ [17:33] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] acidchild, in the upper left hand corner of alsa mixer, it should show you which device it's using [17:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.22) joined ##slackware. [17:35] acidchild: you dont get anything if you use the right arrow keyboard button? you might be missing out on a lot of features in alsamixer [17:35] acidchild: i m not sure if this helps but in alsamixer one has to press SPACE when configuring the "capture" devices (L R) will appear underneath the capture bar [17:36] know couple of people who were complaining the "microphone (sound recording) doesn't work" usually when they were trying skype [17:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [17:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.103.240) joined ##slackware. [17:39] mbohun: or they were unlucky enough to dance with pulseaudio -_-.. I swear that thing is sick.. I have 42 sliders in total for a simple Audigy 2 card [17:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.103.240) left irc: Client Quit [17:40] mikk0 (n=mikk0@YYYMKCMXXXV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:43] dartmouth (n=cpunches@72.95.103.240) joined ##slackware. [17:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:43] does anyone know if an issue with newer ati cards not working in X11 has been resolved? [17:44] dartmouth: I am using a 5770 right now with fglrx [17:44] works fine [17:44] Pig_Pen: thrice` mbohun thanks... [17:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-221-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:44] NaCl: what did you do? what version of slack, which kernel etc? [17:44] :D [17:45] NaCl: hey.. a 5770 ? Really ? you must game or something. How is the state of ATI with Linux ? Do you use Wine for gaming too ? [17:45] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Cat1bj55.html [17:45] i dunno, which one its ment to be O.o [17:45] (NaCL we have the same gfx card and ive had some trouble with it) [17:45] is [1- 0] as in 0 hardware sound card 1 usb microphone? O.o [17:46] substancev (n=substanc@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] also NaCl which prop. driver did you use to install fglrx? [17:46] whats good peoples [17:46] dartmouth: -current [17:46] dartmouth: just used ATI's installer [17:46] Pig_Pen: ahh.. kmix shows it has USB device ... etc [17:47] icarus_: trying. Installing the 32-bit drivers was work. [17:47] which one? and which kernel? [17:47] dartmouth: slackware64, 2.6.29.6 [17:47] clear [17:47] NaCl: I'm not buying an ATI until it's comparable or better than Nvidia on Linux. I have no use for Windows performance ;) [17:48] I have to monitor logs on 5 different servers on my local network. I was trying to make a script to launch terminals and excute an ssh ... however .. i am prompted with a password. I'm having trouble using ssh_public keys [17:48] icarus_: it works quite fine, as far as I can tell. [17:48] yes its a very nice card i just wish i could get it to work [17:48] its huge though [17:48] I got a huge case. :D [17:48] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:49] substancev: you probably want to make your private keys passwordless [17:49] substancev: at least, for the purposes of this exercise [17:49] all this talk about private keys and huge cases makes me uncomfortable [17:49] if you do, use an account with restricted rights [17:49] dartmouth: antec p183 [17:49] Avalloc (n=_@port-13199.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [17:49] not root or a root member, not a user either [17:50] eviljames: hrmm. im only allowed to use a certain account and changing permissions is probably out of the question. can this be all done on the client side? [17:50] oh i have one of those Tsunami Dream cases [17:50] its much cheaper than it looks in the pictures [17:50] i wanted a base case but they overheat to shit [17:51] substancev: Yes. When generating your client's keys, do not enter a password [17:51] just wouldn't work with a card like that [17:51] substancev, man ssh-copy-id [17:52] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] NaCl: well i don't think it would be wise to upgrade to -current just yet if there's a fix somewhere [17:52] how stable is -current right now? [17:53] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.16) left irc: [17:54] -current is currently unstable. [17:54] debian like :) [17:55] bah. that means what you want it to mean :P like 'national security' or 'premium value service' [17:55] or fairpoint's 'care for their customer base' [17:55] If you have to ask how stable -current is, you shouldn't be worried about -current at all. [17:56] oi criminies alan, i've been gone for two months and i don't have x, give me a break. [17:56] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] Action: Alan_Hicks hands dartmouth a Kit-Kat bar. [17:56] Action: dartmouth does the little dance [17:56] dartmouth: works fine for me. [17:56] That's the only break you ever get. [17:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:57] X and the kernel aren't newer, so it should just work with 13.0 [17:57] Alan_Hicks: i'll pm you a forwarding address, I expect at least one kit kat bar (please dont get a restraining order) [17:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) joined ##slackware. [17:58] mikk01 (n=mikk0@YKLVII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:58] dartmouth: Why would I get a restraining order? If you can't come around me, I can't kick the crap out of you. [17:58] Fair enough, but you probably couldn't anyway :P you're old. And I'm all....ya know... [17:59] stupid? [17:59] :D [17:59] But I bet a 24 year old Alan_Hicks could woop a 16 year old cpunches any day of the week ;) [17:59] I mean dartmouth. [17:59] totally meant 'dartmouth'. [18:00] Why do I even bother with you? [18:00] Because I'm good lookin'. [18:00] You'll never be half the troll I'm used to dealing with. [18:00] Alan_Hicks: the same reason people drive slower past a caraccident? [18:01] lol [18:01] dartmouth: Ah... been listening to Ray Steven's song "Everything Is Beautiful" again have you? [18:01] who? [18:01] dude you are OLLLLD [18:01] dartmouth: http://tinyurl.com/yjug64u [18:02] Got your degree in Fortran I see. [18:02] Ray Stevens is good. [18:02] Coming from someone who does his system updates by punching holes in cards, that really stings. [18:02] dartmouth, did you make your own channel? [18:03] No, I got my degree in Troll Flaming from the +Chiron+ Institute. [18:03] forever ago. i gave it to wigglit though [18:03] (i think) [18:03] Seems like kids today would be fucked without Google. [18:03] velusip, everyone would be fucked. [18:03] i know i would [18:04] dartmouth: You'd be fucked without that straight jacket and rubber-walled room. [18:04] lol [18:04] Oh come on, most people would enjoy that. [18:04] lulz! [18:04] Alan_Hicks: i would love to be fucked WITH my straight jacked and rubber walled room. [18:04] I knew a kid who used to where a strait jacket to high school. he bought it at hot topic. [18:05] dartmouth: why do I remember your nick? [18:05] Anyway google is also dangerous. I'm half tempted to google what imitation crab meat really is, but it's so good. [18:05] dartmouth: So you admit to being in a straight jacket and rubber walled room? [18:05] eviljames: he was banned several times, and has been a long-standing troll [18:05] Alan_Hicks: only with the proper lube. [18:05] It's a name of a city. [18:05] thumbs: ah, that's why [18:05] eviljames: however, he calmed down lately, a bit. [18:05] Am not a troll. [18:06] fake crabmeat is all the crap they could not sell as fish filets [18:06] I am just SEVERELY awkward. [18:06] dartmouth: You're severely something alright. [18:06] Yea, what would we do without google ? o_O.. We'd have to venture outside to order food, to look up information, to search for educational institutions, to search for stores from which to order books/hardware.. Google is the Aquinas Hub (game reference inserted here, guess which) [18:06] dartmouth: you made baby jesus cry! . good job ::( [18:07] it's his birthday [18:07] and he can cry if he wants to. [18:07] icarus_: I don't know about the aquina whatever, but I often ask the same thing: "WTF did people do before google?" :P [18:07] dartmouth: well get him something then [18:07] icarus, or just use other online directories, search tools, and sata mining scripts. :/ [18:07] icarus_: I have vague memories of being a teenager in a library.. [18:07] icarus_: Deus Ex. [18:07] icarus_: I googled it. :^) [18:07] I remember life before google. It sucked. [18:07] End of days? [18:07] mrselfpwn: ++ [18:07] i don't get it. [18:07] Alan_Hicks: that's very unsporting [18:07] Action: Alan_Hicks remembers life before the Internet. [18:07] life before google .. wasn't that altavista? ;) [18:08] Alan_Hicks: you remember life being created :P [18:08] BP{k} or astalavista ?;) [18:08] BP{k}: because he is old [18:08] Action: Alan_Hicks remembers life before the fall of global communism. [18:08] BP{k}: webcrawler, I believe. [18:08] BP{k}: and in those days, Yahoo was actually usable [18:08] eviljames: very much true. [18:08] Alan_Hicks: I think you're confused. I remember life before the recent rise of global communism. [18:08] welcome folks to ##slackware-OAP [18:08] OAP ? [18:09] before google there was, altavista, excite, msn, yahoo, mamma, dogpile, and all of them sucked as a search engine [18:09] hahahah they are old-ass indeed... [18:09] rworkman: haha. No, what we have here is global fascism, not communism. [18:09] lycos [18:09] Well, perhaps. :) [18:09] deco: must be a british term .. "old age pensioner" [18:09] rworkman: obama is not a communist! nevermind that everyone puts that together immediately when it's refered to! [18:09] BP{k}: ah ok heh [18:09] aka .. "us old farts" ;) [18:09] i like to use https://scroogle.org/ [18:09] rworkman: I find that statement interesting. What do you consider to be recent communism ? [18:09] Pig_Pen: fwiw, Yahoo wasn't a search engine, so much as a search index... and sucked marginally less than it does today [18:09] But I was of course, referring to the U.S.S.R., East Germany, etc. [18:09] BP{k}: I figured it meant "old-ass people" [18:10] rworkman: I agree with your statement [18:10] eviljames: same difference [18:10] a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. [18:10] Action: BP{k} remembers driving up to the iron curtain :D [18:10] they all produced results, even google has a lot of noise in the signal to noise ratio [18:10] what really bothers me is that military dudes are qualifying for food stamps [18:10] rworkman: and examples of such places would be ... ? [18:10] So we're not there yet, but we've certainly got two wings of the party, and they certainly want to control all economic and social activity (one wing controls one, the other wing controls the other) [18:10] icarus_: USSA. [18:11] oh [18:11] low blow [18:11] nah, excellent play on words [18:11] rworkman: That's not an entirely accurate statement. [18:11] heh [18:11] rworkman: he knows. he's old. [18:11] Alan_Hicks: I didn't go far enough? :) [18:11] communism/socialism requires government ownership of the means of production. [18:12] rworkman: so I'm guessing we're talking about Obama and health-care plans etc now ? [18:12] Alan_Hicks: then you have to define ownership. it's evolved; like warfare. we aren't 'at war'. but we're totally at war. [18:12] Alan_Hicks: what part of "all economic activity" is confusing? [18:12] While the USSA has taken massive strides in that area, they are also stepping back from that slightly. Moreover, the goal seems to be absolute control of the means of production without de yuri ownership of them. [18:12] what about when the giagantic corporations are so rich and powerful that the government are basically their lapdogs [18:12] Pig_Pen: gov buys them [18:13] or steals them [18:13] lol true [18:13] icarus_: it's much more than that, but sure. [18:13] They both lead to the same end though. [18:13] Pig_Pen: those exist still? [18:13] Alan_Hicks: an Orwellian state [18:13] wtf? i went to sleep in #slackware and woke up in #politics [18:13] Action: dartmouth takes notes while he prepares a new resume [18:13] Anyway, I should have let this discussion die. slackytude is right. [18:13] slackytude: go to the other channel it's more slackware related :) [18:14] rworkman: Yes, you should have let this discussion die. :^) [18:14] nah, I go back to sleep [18:14] there's another trollground-- I mean slackware channel? where? [18:14] just don't tell dartmouth about it [18:14] see ya, slackers [18:14] slackytude: blah party pooper [18:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] slackytude: l8rdude [18:14] o/ [18:14] dont invite dartmouth [18:14] :( [18:14] rworkman: You're a brilliant packager, but your views on communism at it's purest are distorted at best :) I think anyone should be able to agree that no matter the philosophy, philosphy rarely ends up being applied well to an actual society. Communism, Capitalism, Anarchism, no philosphy survives real-life (tm) application [18:14] see ya slackytude [18:15] icarus_: Oh, I completely agree. [18:15] he completely agrees that he is pooping out of his mouth. [18:15] rworkman: pm? [18:15] what are you 12? [18:15] yes [18:16] mrselfpwn: that would be insulting to 12 year olds [18:16] dartmouth: and you like licking dog asses. Don't put words in my mouth, and I won't put them in yours. [18:16] mah, screw it. I guess we should enforce polite dinner conversational restraints. No sex or politics :P [18:16] heheh [18:16] NaCl: sure [18:16] i know an italian 14 year old [18:16] deco: that seriously sounds wrong :P [18:16] hehe [18:16] he 'knows' her. [18:16] icarus_: FWIW, I would describe myself as a "functional anarchist." There's (obviously) no time to explain that here. :) [18:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [18:16] jh gsfdgh [18:16] lkgjfgkljf [18:17] when I worked at a department store the only type of jokes allowed were the political type. [18:17] sorry my brain just devolved a little, i could have sworn I read 'functional anarchist' but it turned out to be 'jumbo shrimp', or 'military intelligence', or 'little giant', I'm not sure which. [18:17] from what i seen of corruption, greed and stupidity in a capitalistic society maybe communism is not such a bad deal afterall, seems like only the richest people are threatened by such a system [18:17] 'a little'... hrm... [18:18] jumbo shrimp lol [18:18] Pig_Pen: and the rich people are the ones that want the little ones dominated ( [18:18] I side mostly with libertarian views [18:18] Pig_Pen: Indeed, but only the hardest of ideologues (read, pretty much the far right) would debate that the best solution is a mixed economy. Socialize the things that are either a) not possibly profitable, or b) wrong to extort people over (fire service, healthcare, policing, etc) and let the rest be as close to free market as the people will bear. [18:19] Pig_Pen: they why they hate that system [18:19] mrselfpwn: Libertarianism is largely idiotic. For examples, see Somalia. [18:19] Pig_Pen: Go read Atlas Shrugged. [18:19] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Pig_Pen: until it all goes awry and a political elite will be the new elite. Personally I think every school of philosphy fails because at its core, mankind is utterly evil and emotionally stunted. As long as people cannot sympathize with others, there will always be people seeking prosperity and power at the expense of others, no matter the system. [18:19] eviljames: they are ideologues because they are dead on right. [18:19] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [18:19] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] i think icarus_ is right "mankind is utterly evil and emotionally stunted" [18:20] oooh icarus_ you sound like a hobbesian, that makes you awesome. [18:20] dartmouth: they are ideologues because they can't see past their nose. [18:20] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [18:20] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] eviljames: yes they can. there is money there. money for people who earned it. [18:20] i just like some of the ideas of that party [18:21] idk anything about samolia [18:21] eviljames: Somalia isn't a good example of Libertarianism. There is no government in Somalia. [18:21] Alan_Hicks: Indeed, it is a purely free market. [18:21] Alan_Hicks: With no "regulation" or "oversight" to get in the way of the capitalism. [18:21] Somalialand is slightly better, but still nearly as much an anarchy. [18:21] this is where i go off in my drunken 'i have a clue about international politics and its good to be an american' rant instead of fix my Xorg server. [18:22] dartmouth: weak [18:22] eviljames: And no law to enforce any sort of order. [18:22] deco: raincheck? [18:22] dartmouth: its cloudy atm [18:22] but not raining [18:22] no its not. [18:22] yes it is. [18:22] maybe [18:22] who knows [18:22] i do [18:22] It's snowing ^^ [18:22] You can't have a "free market" economy when there is no law and no law enforcement to prevent anyone from taking what you have by force. [18:23] if we ever reduce to an anarchist state I'm buying guns, enslaving women and making them opium addicts, and starting a commune where I will birth an army of over-talkative conquerers. [18:23] dartmouth: china ? [18:23] dartmouth: Your plan is flawed. [18:24] dartmouth: you dont own a firearm already??? [18:24] Alan_Hicks: why? [18:24] Pig_Pen: no im working on it. [18:24] Action: deco doesn't like guns [18:24] dartmouth: Your entire plan is based upon the incorrect premise that even opium addicts would sleep with you. [18:24] well of course they would. have you seen my ****? [18:24] Alan_Hicks: You are the only person ever to point out that gaping, obvious flaw in the Somalia statement.. and I use it pretty regularly. Colour me impressed [18:24] Action: rworkman whispers "functional anarchy" -- no "government" per se. While *I* alone might not be able to defend my rights to my property, if enough of us together decide to do that, and defend each others' rights, then it works. It's a loose form of government only to the extent that it protects the rights of its "citizens.' [18:24] Alan_Hicks: (not that you particularly need to impress me) :P [18:25] when there is a breakdown in law & order it will be too late to buy a firearm, you better get a couple now, at least a decent size pistol and a shotgun or rifle [18:25] rworkman: gang rule; i dont think so man, that's how the mafia formed (naturally) and evolved into insurance companies. [18:25] yes [18:25] dartmouth: Your what? Your mutated flipper? Your gray hairless body? Your bifurcated eyes? [18:25] Pig_Pen: I'm sure if you just greet them with kindness they'll respond in kind, right ? Isn't that what some prominent religions say ? ^^ [18:25] dartmouth: are you even reading what I'm writing? [18:25] Alan_Hicks: can you send pics on IRC? I want to show you something :) [18:26] rworkman: Yes. Read "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress". [18:26] Action: icarus_ finds a good place to hide [18:26] dartmouth: Sure. Here you go. Eo3. [18:26] LOLOL [18:26] no, they will pick you over for anything of value if you have no means of stopping them and if you annoy them they will kill you [18:26] we have a 9mil a 45 and a 12 gauge [18:26] rworkman: :^) [18:27] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:27] I'd seriously start a charlie manson-esque commune if we ever went anarchist. crazy bitches with guns and knives will beat whoville sing 'da-hoo-door-ray' any day of the week. [18:27] *singing [18:27] eviljames: I thank you. It is a good analogy in some respects though. [18:28] Alan_Hicks: I use it, despite the flaw, anytime libertarianism (which I think is even more hopelessly flawed than Somalia) comes up. [18:28] what's the cheapest cat nip ? [18:28] dartmouth: That also has a flawed premise. Namely that women would find you charismatic and attractive. [18:29] Alan_Hicks: if they have LSD coming out of their ears, and are hooked on the magic candy in my sash, all is well. [18:29] sed -i -e s/find/not find/ -e s/charismatic and attractive/repulsive/ Alan_Hicks [18:29] eviljames: Libertarianism is about the rule of law, with strict restrictions on what the government can and can not do. [18:29] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.171) left irc: "Leaving." [18:30] i continue with mysql problem, mysql.sock doesn't exist [18:30] weapons? i just finished my 100mm [18:30] and i will have you know that I keep the company of quite beautiful women. dont you need to upgrade your firefox, I heard a hole puncher clicking away in the other room :P [18:30] correcaminos__ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:30] i did all what slackbuild does, i mean i have mysql installed in the same directories, created dirs, user, etc. [18:31] besides i could always fall back on fatties if it ever got dry [18:31] dartmouth: I'm sorry, but /home/cpunches/pr0n doesn't count. [18:31] myspace fatties. [18:31] *oink oink* [18:31] honk honk [18:31] wtf [18:31] acidtripper: Just a thought.. I know that sometimes the default mysql configuration is written in such a way that it doesn't allow external or even local socket-based connections. Have you gone through the my.cnf (or whatever) config file ? [18:31] moo moo [18:31] Why do people think pigs make an "oink" sound? [18:32] Alan_Hicks: because they are pigs ? [18:32] \o/ [18:32] Pig_Pen: HAHAHA. [18:32] icarus_, yes, and all is setted as in configure [18:32] Alan_Hicks: many of the key points (dismantling of welfare, minimal regulation, "free" markets) are either counterproductive, or pipe dreams, imo. [18:32] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] having spent some time on a farm i know they oink [18:32] Alan_Hicks: that's what most of the childrens books say, and the toys, "The pig says, oink." :P [18:32] its like a snort, but more like an oink [18:32] Animal Farm was a good book. [18:32] eviljames: hey regarding my ssh issue with being prompted with passwords.. do you think i can work around it using an expect script? [18:33] Incidently, "Pig Pen" was my uncle's nick name, and "Hawg Pen" was my daddy's nickname when they were playing ball, 'cause they both played so hard when the game was over they were covered in filth. [18:33] dude. pick up a baby pig some time and it'll scream an oink. [18:33] i heard pigs make noises from a high pitched squeal to a low grunk [18:33] Alan_Hicks: "Free" markets are at least one factor of both the great depression and America's current financial strife. When the market becomes too free, small groups collude against the masses. [18:33] grunt* [18:33] dude pick of destiny kicks so much ass... so, ever notice that KDE classic cursors look like cursors from old mac os [18:33] Pig_Pen: it's like a squeal, yeah [18:33] dartmouth: I was born and raised a hog farmer. I know for a fact they don't say "oink". [18:33] Alan_Hicks: Sadly, there really is no way around that - it seems to happen every time. [18:33] then you sir have entirely the wrong kind of pigs. [18:33] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:34] eviljames: It was the loans that corrupt politicians were getting. [18:34] icarus, it continue connect to server at localhost failed :S [18:34] such as Hillary Clinton [18:34] theyre ALL corrupt [18:34] eviljames: On the contrary, today's economic crisis is largely manufactured the opposite way, from the masses imposing strict socialist requirements on the means of production. I'd like to debate this further, but this is neither the time or the place. After all, Chris Punches says I don't know shit about hogs. [18:35] mrselfpwn: corrupt politicians are a product of the great dumbing down of America. They have very overtly and purposefully defunded the education system specifically to create a nation of employees. See Reagan, R [18:35] ok i guess i have to upgrade to -current to get around the oversight with AMD [18:35] ATI* [18:35] dartmouth: You sir, madam, or both, have no idea what the hell you're talking about. [18:35] Figured I'd mention her since we were talking about pigs [18:35] -currnet uses the same kernel + x.org as 13 [18:35] acidtripper: I don't have MySQL atm., but I distinctly remember having many problems connecting using the standard MySQL config. It had socket connections disabled by default. If that isn't the issue, I'm drawin blanks. [18:35] Alan_Hicks: hahahah touche. There's an offtopic channel that has been mentioned around here if you wish to debate further at some poin in time (and I truly hope you do. debate is my primary form of learning :P) [18:35] mrselfpwn: next discussion will be what lipstick looks best on a pig. :P [18:36] haha [18:36] emm... [18:36] eviljames: #slackware-ot? [18:36] thrice`: i have no idea wtf the problem is. i've looked and looked, and had some of you guys look and look, and can't seem to get a definitive diagnosis of the problem; there's no error in Xorg.0.log [18:36] i'll post my my.cnf [18:36] Alan_Hicks: ##slackware-offtopic [18:36] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5420.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:36] nooooo [18:36] thrice`: however i know that NaCl has the same 5770 card as I do and has no problems in -current. [18:36] Alan_Hicks: you forgot neither, there are some of those lurking around the internet. [18:36] mrselfpwn: don't worry, it'll get buried in the noise... [18:36] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [18:37] good point [18:37] EricTheHax: Huh? [18:37] If we keep talking it'll scroll away into oblivion! [18:37] there are hes shes heshes and its [18:37] thrice`: also i get a hard lock everytime i test it out unsuccessfully so the troubleshooting is excrutiating [18:37] haha, I think you're on to somethingg. [18:37] EricTheHax: Ah. Gotcha. [18:37] icarus, http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m14c003c5 [18:38] but file /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock doesn't exist [18:38] substancev: re: expect (can't recall if I answered) you may end up storing the private key's password in plaintext to make that work. Be sure this is what you want to do. [18:38] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] acidtripper: I find it ironic that with a nick like yours, you're the only person here who's on-topic. [18:38] mm i deleted my.cnf and now all works fine :S [18:39] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:39] thrice`: if you are savvy with Xorg (i am not despite having done quite a bit of reading on it) I wouldn't be opposed to going through it from the beginning one more time before an upgrade to -current. [18:39] dartmouth: at the risk of getting flames ;) But I've had some hard locks (nvidia, though). I booted back up and immediately copied the entire /var/log dir over. I ended up finding some interesting hints. Have you tried the same ? [18:39] soo without my.cnf all seems to go fine [18:39] eviljames: thanks for getting back to me... I will put this idea to rest for now... ill look into it later... i appreciate your [18:39] Alan_Hicks, lol yes... sometimes i go deep off-topic but now im working :P [18:39] help [18:40] NthDegree_ (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] substancev: no worries, I use a passwordless private key on my private network to do unattended rsync backups [18:40] icarus_: because of when it locks /var/log/* isn't being written to, but if you know a little secret or something i'm open to it [18:40] Action: substancev pours one over for Britanny Murphy and her cleavage. [18:40] substancev: it is something you want to be careful about, though. [18:40] hrm why is the /etc/asound.conf linked to some bluetooth directory [18:40] if only win2k and firefox really looked like this http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/327263_9933f952a6.jpg [18:41] dartmouth: I certainly don't, but in my case I was seeing some interesting messages leading up to the crash, if you see nothing there either, then I have no idea... [18:41] like cartoony pre-teens? [18:41] sick [18:41] scuse me? [18:41] Manga ^^ [18:42] ugly [18:42] :( [18:42] s/ugly/hawt/g , there, fixed that for you [18:42] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] they always have no nose a and U mouth [18:43] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:44] eviljames: ur sick. theyre a fully-programmed OS and Application talking about how Internet Explorer sux [18:44] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:44] if you compare that manga stuff to real good comic strips...but however its obviously a matter of taste [18:44] EricTheHax: In english, please? [18:45] :P [18:45] cteg: Before you judge too harshly, try watching "Serial Experiments Lain".. Maybe you'll understand that it can sometimes be good :) [18:45] eviljames: how many preteens do you know that have boobs or keep a katana in their closet >_> [18:45] EricTheHax: hahah thankfully, none. nobody needs jailbait with weapons! :D [18:46] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.157.60) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:47] so eviljames do you like big boobs? XP and Ubuntu take up a lot of mamm-- i mean memory [18:47] lol [18:48] josefig (n=JoseFig@201.132.49.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:49] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.94.72) joined ##slackware. [18:50] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-28.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:52] 95-tan's badass. if i ever go back to windows for some odd reason: 1) bitchslap me 2) itd probably be 9x and 3) get the gun ready [18:52] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:54] Ephedrax_ (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Ephedrax_ (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:55] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] van (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:58] van (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:58] MY FLASH PLAYER WENT OUT AGAIN [18:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-136-76.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:59] not fair ;_; [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [18:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-136-76.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:00] does anyone have offhand alienbob's rsync 'mirror slackware' script? [19:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-136-76.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] I would be shocked if alienbob's rsync mirror slackware script was somewhere easy to get to, like the first page of his wiki or something.. [19:00] or a link to it, i mean? [19:00] That would be astounding... [19:00] can't find it anywhere [19:00] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [19:00] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [19:00] now i really cant fix it [19:01] i fuckin give up. where do i start making my own linux? [19:01] EricTheHax: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [19:01] thx [19:02] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] someone there have a my.cnf of mysql [19:02] well configured? [19:02] dude seamonkey has flash sweet [19:02] just to try if it works ;) [19:03] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:04] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] hrm. i thought you could modify this script easily to mirror current [19:06] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:08] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] i suppose no one around is good with boolean algebra, right? :P [19:10] i am, i just dont know it yet [19:10] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:10] nachox: eviljames seems to be good with math stuff, might ask him. :) [19:11] *ding* this channel lit up [19:11] Action: nachox pokes at eviljames [19:11] eviljames, care to answer a few math problems in a pm? :) [19:11] nachox: you're welcome to ask, no guarantees on the answer :P [19:12] /c/c [19:12] bah [19:12] hehe [19:12] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [19:13] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [19:18] wow I just realized my office chair elevates. woohoo! [19:18] the hunching has been killing me for weeks [19:19] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [19:22] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:26] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [19:27] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [19:28] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] dartmouth, ? [19:30] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [19:30] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:30] apn: what. [19:30] hey what are the best speech synth for linux ? I mean on user-free licence [19:31] user free license? [19:32] straterra: you know what I mean [19:32] No, I don't. [19:32] Hence the question [19:33] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] err that the enduser can use without voialting the licence of use ... [19:33] ahmm I ve got flite and festival to chose [19:34] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [19:35] paul424, both of them do the job. [19:36] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.50) joined ##slackware. [19:38] yeah but which one has better voices, application integretion etc :P [19:40] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:41] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] _dTd_ (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:44] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] Any ideas folks as to why I'm getting the following: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157521/ ? I'm using a custom kernel 2.6.32 [19:47] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] mako (n=mako@81.22.24.96) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:49] well how did you configured/build the kernel? it looks like you build a module g_ether but you didn't build something g_ether depends on [19:51] Well, technically, it should auto-select the absolutely necessary things [19:51] and it is no rocket science to lookup where is the required function usb_gadget_register_driver - and then switch it on in the kernel config [19:51] alkos333: who told you that? [19:52] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:52] mbohun: well that's just what happens in the menu when I select certain things, other options get enabled. [19:53] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-20-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-115.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:53] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [19:53] unfortunately not always - as you see [19:54] S/A [19:54] look (find/grep) where is the missing symbol - and switch it on in the kernel config [19:54] mbohun: Well, that's just it - this is a bizzare one and I'm not really sure what else is necessary [19:54] mbohun: I tried using the search function in menuconfig in order to find gadget_register or something like that, but no luck [19:55] look for the symbol name in the kernel source [19:56] anyone have issues with flashplayer? I was listening a site and then after to open youtube page the OS freezed.. [19:56] changing my $LANG to en_US.UTF-8 seems to cause all kinds of screen garbage in midnight commander..? [19:56] i m just guessing - Kernel config -> Device Drivers -> USB support what is the state of USB gadged support? [19:56] on/off? [19:57] Yeah, that's the one you'd have to enable in order to get to the g_ether [19:58] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] so it's definitely enabled. [19:58] Good guess indeed :) [19:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] Y or M ? and then when you go into the USB gadget what is enabled there - all you need? [19:59] it is not a guess [19:59] mbohun: I was just going off of your "i'm just guessing" [19:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:59] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] hackedhead: try unicode_start & [20:00] There are very few things I compile into the kernel [20:00] btw is there any integrestion for kde and gnome for text to speach engines that I can read whole pdf, chm djvu documents ? [20:00] It's definitely compiled as a module [20:00] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:f9) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] well is it inserted in the kernel? [20:00] paul424: there is something in kde. never tested it, dont use kde [20:01] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] mbohun: well it should be inserted automatically when g_ether is called since the automatic module loading is compiled into the kernel [20:02] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.200.214) joined ##slackware. [20:02] however g_ether is erroring out, so ... [20:02] I'm searching the source right now, will see what that gives me [20:02] what exactly is g_ether for? [20:02] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [20:04] I'm trying to tether to my palm pre using the usb cord [20:04] it's one of the several modules I need to compile [20:05] what is the CONFIG_ name for it in .config? [20:05] mbohun: This is beautiful :) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/158734/ [20:06] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] latemus (n=m@c-98-202-186-138.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] yes - those are all the modules that need the symbol [20:07] Not only [20:07] There are some the export the symbols as well [20:08] anyway, if you know the CONFIG_ name for it, go to make menuconfig hit / and type in the CONFIG_ option - that should give you info with all the dependecies [20:08] Well, if I did, I wouldn't be asking here :) [20:09] I tried searching using various keywords with '/" in menuconfig [20:10] well you are saying that you already have that module, so it should be swithed on in your .config file, perhaps grep 'ETHER' .config will list it [20:10] i don't think that there are 100s of CONFIG_ options with ETHER [20:12] well, that's not helpful, it just shows me a few and one of them is g_ether [20:12] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] what is the exact name? CONFIG_ ? [20:16] I found a few things that might be helpful [20:16] oot@tpx200:/usr/src/linux-2.6.32# grep ETHER .config [20:16] # CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET is not set [20:16] CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER=m [20:17] IceChant (n=icechant@109.160.158.53) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:20] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176091035.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:21] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:21] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:21] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:24] well from find ./include -name "*.h" | xargs grep 'usb_gadget_register_driver' - it looks like you build some driver that needs usb gadget subsystem, but you turned it off [20:28] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [20:29] compmstr (n=corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Does anyone know how to do this in sql? http://pastie.org/752624 [20:30] hiptobecubic: anything that is unique or indexing? are there two columns you can AND together in order to produce the 'correct' set of deletions? [20:31] hiptobecubic: any rhyme or reason to your data? [20:31] I have a table with three fields, group, track, rank. There is more than one track per group and tracks can be in more than one group. Within each group, rank ascends from 1 to (number of tracks). [20:31] eviljames, working on it :) [20:32] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:33] why is linux so much easier when drunk? is this a conspiracy by design? ;) [20:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A766EC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] or is this all in-state learning from college? [20:34] dartmouth: it is all part of the ballmer curve [20:34] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.100.157) joined ##slackware. [20:34] bbiab [20:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:37] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [20:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] ls [20:38] hi alienBOB [20:38] anyone use kvm without hvm [20:39] please expand your slackware mirror script to have a config file with various options to make mirroring --current and older versions easier [20:39] hiptobecubic, decrementing all ranks where rank is greater than deleted ranks by one might work [20:39] *various options in general, tbh [20:41] alienBOB IOW, allow more flexibility to choose multiple mirror-sites, pls. [20:41] dartmouth: that is already there [20:42] it shouldnt be a script error for more than one morroir to be chosen [20:42] Oh, more than one mirror at the same time? Funny idea [20:42] dartmouth [drunk] fewer kbding inhibitions :) [20:42] alienBOB: i did not see anything about a config file [20:42] dartmouth: you ever read documentation? [20:42] (i am wasted) [20:42] consider the source [20:43] In this case, output from "mirror-slackware-current.sh -h" [20:43] alienBOB ... | head -n 1; then on failure of somekind (re mirror) choose next available mirror [20:43] while you're at it, make it multi threaded, and selecting the 4 lowest-latency mirrors to download from simultaneously, and make it do updates automatically without cron, and make it punch me in the balls. [20:43] tripFantastic: denied [20:43] use a script var to note lineno from mirror list [20:43] eviljames - do not pass START, you will not collect 20,\000 dollars [20:43] Action: eviljames goes straight to jail [20:44] tripFantastic: if you choose a broken mirror then surely I don't have to start fixing your mistakes [20:44] it's not about broken, it's about giving slackers more rope. [20:44] And then hang'em [20:45] that's the proper choice [20:45] the only proper choice [20:45] uhh carramba how do I get the festlex-cmu package ? [20:45] I am sometimes thus inclined [20:45] anyone know where libglx.so is supposed to point to when using the radeon driver? [20:45] it's not up to you [20:45] is there any way of using the BSD system ports on slackware ? [20:46] paul seek something called `ports' or somesuch on google [20:46] google.com/linux [20:46] you could rsync slackbuilds.org to /usr/ports and pretend [20:46] paul424: vs. SlackBuilds? [20:46] thrice`: ++ [20:46] paul424: you can rig up slackbuild.org with an rsync script to very closely emulate the bsd ports system btw [20:47] I just don;t get your jokes ... BSD has its own script formats that uses in those ports, right ? [20:47] you're the expert, I thought? [20:47] but there is a ports that was ported to linux [20:47] lol [20:48] do some research [20:48] bsd ports are actually slightly complicated in their design [20:48] goog `linux bsd ports' [20:48] does anybody know how to contribute to a project on sourceforge? i downloaded the source code and fixed some things, but i'm not sure how to contribute my changes ? [20:48] fhobia find the project's homepage there [20:48] There is even a Slackware derivative which uses the ports system [20:48] tripFantastic: done [20:48] then you're done. [20:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] it's upto project maints now [20:49] you uploaded your changes? [20:49] nope, i just got to the projcet homepage as you mentioned [20:49] -_- [20:49] clicked around, but i don't see anything to do [20:49] fhobia ok; they have to enable some method of uplaoding diffs and stuff. if they dont then you're out of luck [20:50] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-40-8.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:50] tripFantastic: https://sourceforge.net/projects/scte65scan/develop [20:50] otherwise leave a strongly worded word of rebuke for not activating some method :) [20:50] ok, i'll just send an e-mail [20:50] k [20:51] was building a slackbuild but the order of includes messed up on slackware so [20:51] fix em [20:51] i did [20:51] ok [20:51] thats why i'm asking the question [20:52] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] no rcs/cvs/sccs/w.e. was activated? [20:52] theres a svn [20:52] use it [20:52] lol but checkout and then what ? [20:52] you wait [20:52] make changes, commit, e-mail a diff? [20:53] yeah, i figure thats what i gotta do, eviljames [20:53] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-168-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [20:53] anyone used kvm on slackware? [20:54] latemus ##linux too [20:54] and other chans [20:54] hmm you can mock up on me :\ [20:54] yeah thx [20:54] Action: paul424 sights [20:54] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.157.91) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:55] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] mock up ? [20:55] heh [20:56] ugh... this is painfully true http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers :( [20:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [20:57] eviljames: lol so true [20:59] [loy] (n=nobody@loy.net.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:59] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] [loy] (n=nobody@loy.net.ru) left ##slackware ("#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)"). [21:00] heh [21:03] could someone help me getting festlex-cmu, working ? I found only source packages and the BSD sites [21:03] what's wrong with source? no autoconf? [21:03] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:05] paul424: there is a great amount of information on slackbuilds.org about creating your own scripts & packages.. definitely worth while reading if you are planning to spend any time with slackware. [21:06] Emeau_ (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-53-25.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:06] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] pirving (n=jd@pool-72-73-99-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:10] I'm having an interesting problem. Network traffic comes to a halt on the LAN. All DSL lights lock solid. How can I view ip packets and what port they are coming from? [21:11] I can't even access my router via port 80 192.168.1.x [21:12] soon things will halt. Am I sending out crazy packets from my Slackware box? [21:12] Should I upgrade to -current? Should I re-install from scratch? The modem seems to be working fine if I keep the machine off the network [21:13] ethereal is your friend [21:13] it is called wireshark now i think [21:14] is wireshark the equivalent of Solaris' snoop? [21:15] no idea but you have google, fingers and eyes - i m sure you will figure it out goodjames [21:15] i believe snoop is synonymous with tcpdump [21:17] guess I should read up on tcpdump [21:18] mbohun: i have no need to, but it looks like tcpdump is going to help pirving [21:18] what is the best network intrusion software for slackware? Is there any? Should I just put up more firewalls and exceptions?!? [21:19] nmap? [21:19] NthDegree_ (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] there are all sorts of IDS apps available. for local stuff, apparmor, samhain [21:20] NthDegree_ (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] selinux ? [21:21] it is always good to use iptables based script to restrict everything - and then start enabling ports, adding exceptions (like drop packets going to port 22 except if they come from these IP addresses/networks, etc ) [21:22] Action: pirving is just paranoid. Problem seems to have disappeared. Web traffic is still slow, maybe because it's DSL. Maybe Fairpoint's DNS resolution is slow [21:22] You guys are gonna laugh. 768Kb down 125kb up [21:23] pirving: i get 300 down [21:23] lb [21:23] kb* [21:23] nothign to be a shame of [21:23] yeah, that's not so bad.. is it at least affordable? [21:23] what site do you goto to measure ? [21:23] speakeasy [21:23] speedtest.net works well enough [21:24] yours is bigger than mine LOL [21:24] but does it last ? [21:24] i got, 2212 kbps 428kbps [21:24] I'm just trying to remove all un-required traffic from my LAN [21:25] down and up [21:25] i got, 21 mb/s 4.47 mb/s [21:25] nice [21:25] oh wow [21:25] fhobia: Do you work for the NSA [21:25] i just got 18.53 mb/s and 0.96 mb/s [21:25] eviljames: I try to convert the deb package [21:25] Action: eviljames <- being throttled [21:25] nope, pirving :-P [21:25] eviljames: why ? [21:26] eviljames: stop calling your gf names then ;) [21:26] :o [21:26] deco: probably time of day metering *shrug* [21:26] eviljames: oh ;/ [21:27] I guess it really comes down to I have nothing better to do other than watch "link lights" [21:28] better than watching paint dry or something though [21:30] ok can someone tell me if my ARP request traffic is fine? http://pastebin.com/m23b68816 [21:30] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [21:31] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:35] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] greetings and salutations [21:36] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:36] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:38] ok, going offline to frig up things some more thank you folks for all your advice. I really do appreciate it sincerely! [21:38] anytime [21:38] pirving (n=jd@pool-72-73-99-52.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:39] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@168-103-61-49.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:41] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521056.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:43] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30DEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:46] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [21:49] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Success [21:50] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3093D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:03] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] night all [22:03] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] night [22:04] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-24-33-129-58.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] i just saw school of rock after another attempt to get my "genius g-pen f610" (cheap rebranding bastards stole from waltop).... now im back to trying to get it to work. im stumped. google hates my guts. i personally like my guts. they keep me alive by providing absorbed nutrients from other organisms. [22:04] congrats [22:05] congrats for failing or loving my guts? [22:05] you decide [22:05] Its a coin toss.. either way you lose [22:06] lol [22:06] yup [22:06] dartmouth (n=cpunches@72.95.103.240) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:06] so anyone dealt with waltops? [22:07] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:07] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:09] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@168-103-61-49.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] B4RR13N705 (n=alpha@host138.190-230-110.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:10] hi [22:10] i am so fucked if i cant make my friggin waltop work [22:11] salutations B4RR13N705 [22:11] EricTheHax, did you try booting a ubuntu CD or something? [22:12] yeah after a while of having ubuntu (i still have it but i aint bootin into it again heres why) it screwed itself up [22:13] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-16-4.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:14] i wanted to switch to slack for a long time but it took forever to make it recognize a +/-R [22:14] but, the hardware works under linux? [22:14] it works [22:14] under ubuntu i guess [22:14] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-143-11.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] switching from slack13 to current, is as simple as changing slackpkg? [22:15] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:16] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] one does not simply into -current [22:16] i need to install slack all over again [22:16] no. [22:16] it's pretty harmless right now. LnxSlck, read the man page for slackpkg, but that's abou tit [22:16] i checked a few sites for slackware-current.iso [22:16] but sill there's none [22:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] thrice`, i've been using current for quite a while noe [22:17] thrice`, the latest windows7 install just screwd things up [22:17] so my question is, install a slack13 and change slackpkg to current or download current tree and make an iso? [22:17] current and an iso are not a good mix i feel. [22:18] same result :) [22:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:18] that's what i'll do then [22:18] LnxSlck: if you have a 13.0 install you can use slackpkg. [22:18] my faith is in slackpkg lol [22:18] spook, yep [22:18] spook, just downloaded one now [22:18] been using slack for 11 -> 12 -> current [22:19] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-abwiwevwbbllakts) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] B4RR13N705 (n=alpha@host138.190-230-110.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving." [22:22] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [22:22] mkoco (n=phunk@c-98-221-81-117.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:22] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-143-11.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1" [22:24] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.160) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:27] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [22:29] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) joined ##slackware. [22:30] anyway im back so yeah no pressure sense and then i was told if i wanted pressure sensing i had to get the wacom thing from the repos. no pressure sensing, but after a reboot, the tablet had stopped working, and uninstalling the wacom tools fuckked it up more [22:31] so i came to slackware cause its less intense on resources and i have more control [22:31] did you google? [22:31] yes [22:31] i tried my googliest [22:32] then i tried bing and i got porn ads [22:32] slackware won't be easier on the resources, probably the same as ubuntu [22:32] ca depend, mon ami [22:33] plus then #ubuntu gets to deal with you [22:33] :P [22:34] I've never owned a tablet, so my help is useless, sorry :) I'd assume x.org would pick it up automatically if you have the wacom driver installed [22:35] i even tried the wacom thing for here. thing is its not a wacom tab [22:35] Action: macavity scratches head [22:35] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-28.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [22:36] EricTheHax: this is *totally* talking out of my ass, but i have seen kernel drivers for touch screens.. could it be, theoretically, that you need to load that driver, and then do some evdev magic? [22:37] observe that there are two drivers called evdev [22:37] the kernel level driver, and the xorg input driver [22:38] i confused ~hakusu [22:39] kitche3 (n=kitche3@235.sub-75-236-235.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] this is how i feel right now. http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4663/mizuyoyo.png anything i try just hits the ground and bounces back and hits me in the face [22:41] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:41] you like the screenie? i took it myself [22:41] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] kernel-space-touch-screen-input-driver <-> kernel-space-evdev (outputs any input device in the same "language") <-> Xorg (which has its own evdev device-driver loaded) [22:42] its a pen tab [22:43] Zordrak: ping [22:43] ok.. have you heard of *anyone* who has gotte it to work with linux? [22:43] i mean i know things work as other things. rule 1 of hardware hacking, but im skeptical of this one being the best option [22:43] that particular model.. sorry for comming late to the party [22:43] w8 was it rule 1 or... [22:44] ... [22:44] do you have absolute proff that this particular model is supported? [22:44] who me? [22:44] i have no idea [22:44] just 80 proof [22:45] red label.. [22:45] absolut :) [22:45] EricTheHax: good to know.. so we are still totally speculating about everything? [22:45] no, he had it working in ubuntu [22:47] thrice`: then i was told i could have pressure if i installed wacom-tools. never worked. after a reboot, it totally fucked it up. then i upgraded to 9.10. stopped crashing on plug-in of device but still fucked up [22:47] ok then.. boot the Ubuntu in liveCD mode, lsmod and save the Xorg log [22:47] could grab a .config from a ubuntu kernel that it worked in. [22:47] EricTheHax: did you get *some* support in *buntu? [22:48] btw, evening all. :D [22:49] dude ive tried doing the .config thing but then i had to replace it with a backup i made of some files just in case but i never usually backup [22:49] Boss is gone tomorrow so i will be taking advantage of this time by swiping the projector and bringing into my lair where i will hook up the WII and play video games like in "The It Crowd" :D [22:49] it wouldnt let me boot with it "\ [22:49] yeah my face got that fucked up [22:50] i'm just throwing in suggestions as i haven't looked back at all to see what has been asked or done. seems like macavity has you going in the right direction though. [22:50] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] have fun. wii controls rule, just the gameplay on the games made by big companies suck ass [22:50] I'd listen to him, he's the cyber yoda. [22:50] ;) [22:52] heres a good question: what if i decided to go to damnsmall? i cant get it running or installing i dunno why. my cpu is x86_64 architecture and 2 of my drives r sata, one being cd. then theres one im desperately using for slack [22:53] you should probably ask the DSL guys about that [22:55] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [22:55] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:56] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-43-77.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:59] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [22:59] packeteer (n=zed@li83-175.members.linode.com) left irc: "moving host" [23:01] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. 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[23:14] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:16] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30DEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [23:17] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [23:19] correcaminos (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] xenodrox (n=xenodrox@72.9.83.119) joined ##slackware. [23:22] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-16-4.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [23:27] my cdrom drive does not show up in /dev ... i apparently don't have any way to mount it. anybody willing to help? [23:28] xenodrox: have you tried all the possible files in /dev ? [23:29] cdrw and all the variations etc... [23:29] yes, sd* scd* cdrom* hd* ... did i miss any? [23:29] hmmm i don't think so [23:31] i've been searching around and most similar problems were resolved by searching for other file variants. i don't seem to have any sort of cdrom in /dev though [23:31] xenodrox: is it an external drive ? [23:31] that being said, i installed from a dvd in this cdrom drive. i'm on a sony vaio laptop, internal drive [23:32] oh [23:32] xenodrox: have you tried rebooting ? [23:33] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:33] shutdown -r now, not shutdown -h. is there a difference for this purpose? [23:33] xenodrox: -r is for rebooting [23:33] -h is for a shutdown [23:33] oh what [23:33] you're asking why a reboot ? [23:33] s/what/wait* [23:33] no, i have rebooted but not shutdown completely. [23:34] oh -h shuts down [23:34] wouldn't matter though [23:34] a reboot shutsdown first [23:34] correcaminos_ (n=laguilar@201.166.73.171.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) left irc: Success [23:35] alright, that's what i was asking. a reboot didn't fix it, then. [23:35] hmmm faulty drive maybe [23:35] dunno [23:36] i've been trying to find a way to force the hardware to redetect... is that possible/useful for me, do you think? [23:37] didnt reboots used to keep the drivers etc in memory and just shut all proigrams and the os down and restart the os and then they came up with atx form factor in which it can shut itself down and under certain conditions, such as today's reboot sequence, turn itself back on [23:38] cause i was told a warm boo used to be just restarting os but keeping drivers etc in memory [23:38] s/boo/boot [23:40] xenodrox: is there a disc in the drive? [23:40] I am not a subject matter expert, but that sounds more like what was done to get winmodems to work. it did not load the driver into memory, but it would sent initializations strings to the hardware which would remain through reboot but not shutdown [23:40] im still workin on my damn "g-pen"(lol) and i still feel like this unlucky super-chibi catgirl: http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4663/mizuyoyo.png (mizu is japanese for water :P) [23:40] drivers in memory will not be reused after reboot [23:40] urthwrm: yes, a music cd [23:42] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are things unknown to everyone, your stupidity is on the other hand is known to everyone" [23:42] lolool [23:42] dayum [23:42] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [23:43] xenodrox: try using 'udevadm monitor' and reinserting the disc to see what device node udev is assigning your cdrom [23:44] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:44] hey if i vectorize this http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4663/mizuyoyo.png and scale it and the vector up to 1080 and played with filters for a while think it would look okay afterward? [23:44] urthwrm: doing it [23:45] oops wrong channel [23:45] still.. [23:45] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] fail [23:46] urthwrm: no output [23:46] well might as well ask: if anyones interested go ahead and reply to it even though its wrong channel [23:46] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:47] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [23:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:48] urthwrm: as a test, i took out and reinserted my usb flash drive that functions properly and got lots of output [23:48] xenodrox, does the bios detect the drive? [23:50] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [23:50] dres_ (i=dresiwo@80.48.171.119) joined ##slackware. [23:51] dres (i=dresiwo@80.48.171.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:51] spiko: i'm not sure. speaking out of ignorance, the previous os was windows and the drive functioned under windows. if that indicates the bios detects it, then yes. otherwise, i can do some googling and then poke around in there. [23:53] xenodrox, then it probably does... btw, my bios has an "force escd update" option which helped a few times when adding hardware. might try that too [23:53] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [23:56] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [23:56] miskatonic (n=tije@189.175.107.59) joined ##slackware. [23:56] i'm going to check out the BIOS then. [23:56] xenodrox (n=xenodrox@72.9.83.119) left ##slackware. [23:58] drkstr (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Dec 22 2009