[00:00] do you use a 64-bit Slackware version then? [00:00] theres no such thing :) [00:00] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.178.225.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:00] me? nah, I'm working on slammd16 ; it's a 16bit version fork of Slackware. [00:00] slackware only comes in 31/32 bit styles [00:01] what, would you prefer Gentoo or something for 64-bit? [00:01] i like gentoo [00:01] gentoo...nah an enema more than gentoo [00:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:02] i like gentoo more than ubuntu, which I have never seen install, but i guess i could see what Old_Fogie means. [00:03] but I'd recommend slamd64 if you like slackware [00:04] as I said, I am using it... gentoo has a few ideas that would be good in Slackware... like updating from current if people want that... only gentoo does it automatically. [00:04] eh? [00:04] gentoo doesnt update anything automatically [00:04] still, if there was a choice it would probably be much better than Redhat-based or Debian ones. [00:05] Well, when you install it it installs from current--or at least 'emerge' will do that. [00:05] and you can use slackpkg to very easily stay up to date [00:05] to do that, you have to unmask your entire arch [00:05] which isn't exactly supported [00:06] I installed gentoo from livecd I didnt see an option for their --current [00:06] which, by the way, leaves a dead box once it upgraded emerge [00:06] just unmask your arch..and thats 'current' [00:06] took a few hourse to figure that fix out [00:06] well emerge gets the current source... or maybe it is just gets the current stable. what happened to your box that time? [00:06] it was the *only* upgrade too :( [00:07] once it went thru all my pax, to see which needed upgrades, it had over 100 packs taht told me I needed to manualy resolve deps on [00:07] you might have had to upgrade something else before emerge... that is why slackpkg, sbopkg, etc. are good [00:08] basically, the livecd needs to be upgraded [00:08] it's too far away from last year, and the upgrades they want to do once you get a useable box, emerge cannot handle [00:08] man, 100 packages--that sounded like the old Debian... or how Debian might still be [00:08] gentoo just takes a long time to learn it's way, so it's not installed on a real box yet [00:09] it's still in a vm. [00:09] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-98.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:09] Maybe I'm just a spaz. but I find gentoo very time consuming for doc's about 'gentoo' and their way, not necessarily linux [00:09] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-132.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [00:10] but I'm giving it time, there's no rush. [00:10] i know I can probably compile a kernel that will run an Audigy ZS, but now I forgot if ALSA makes you make your own devs... but it seems Slackware install and whatever sets up ALSA have been doing that already for years. [00:11] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:11] yea I have an audigy 2zs w/external bay, and it's always worked with slackware. 10.2/11/ needed me to run alsaconf, but 12.1 and onward doesnt. [00:12] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] I have the Audigy Platinum with breakout box and works great with slackware. I've only used slackware since 12.1 though. :) [00:12] Old_Fogie: Audigy 2? Oh I bet that's nice. [00:13] breakout box being the cdrom drive bay? [00:13] i think mine is an Audigy 2ZS with front box [00:13] I think it's called "exteranl HD" iirc [00:13] Action: d4vidc lost track of when he got into Slackware [00:13] Old_Fogie: yup. It goes by different names, some places say Live Drive, some breakout box, etc. [00:13] ah ok [00:14] Old_Fogie: And mine's connected via optical connection to 500 Watt Home Theater. :) [00:14] ah nice. [00:14] anyone use rdiff-backup? or do you prefer rsync? [00:14] i brought this up yesterday or so [00:15] d4vidc, I use rdiff-backup to keep track of my changes to software I build, like a CVS. rsync for just syncing, not track changes. [00:15] yesterday nullboy or someone recommended rsync for backups, then I read about rdiff-backup. [00:16] well, depends on your needs. do you want to 'revert back' to a certain time, on a file only, or a bunch of files, or folders, .. or just "sync up" [00:16] methoxy (n=methoxy@ip72-197-207-247.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [00:17] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] i am unsure... mostly keep a backup of writing/code/math/arts [00:18] what minute does you guys' time read? [00:18] 21:18 [00:18] O_O [00:18] 11:17 PM [00:18] 22:18 [00:18] how the **** can i have a clock drift of7-8 minutes [00:19] macavity: are you talking about Open Office? [00:19] no.. i am talking about my system time [00:19] Thu Apr 23 04:19:19 UTC 2009 [00:19] Hi rworkman. How are you doing today? [00:19] Thu Apr 23 04:19:30 UTC 2009 [00:19] (sometimes you say O_o or O_O) [00:19] macavity: do you have it set to a time server? [00:19] firebird619: sleepy :) [00:20] lol d4vidc those are faces. [00:20] actually rworkman is off too [00:20] oh sorry [00:20] nope [00:20] LF4: not yet.... [00:20] seconds, heh [00:20] Wed Apr 22 21:21:12 PDT 2009 [00:21] cardinal is on utc, so my chat windows have current time in them. hitest, you're off :) [00:21] a difference of +-10 mins is normal then [00:21] 04:20 < hitest> Wed Apr 22 21:21:12 PDT 2009 [00:21] hitest: do that again in 1 hour, 1 minute and 10 secs ;-) [00:21] date -u == utc [00:21] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-132.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:21] If you choose NTP in setup then it will be set to a server, right? I think I looked at the confs and it actually was not set to a server. [00:21] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-72.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [00:21] :) [00:22] You have to edit the config to select one. Having the OS default to a server would be insane. [00:22] d4vidc: I think you have to tell it which server... I use NIST [00:22] Thu Apr 23 04:23:11 UTC 2009 [00:22] A properly configured dhcp server will provide the address of an appropriate one to all of its clients. [00:22] Well, if the setup says it is going to do NTP, then the least it could do is ask you for a server or show a list. [00:22] rworkman: key word "properly configured dhcp. [00:23] :) [00:23] You can use xx.pool.ntp.org if nothing else though, where "xx" = "us" or your two letter country code [00:23] hitest: That time you output happened at 00:22 EDT. [00:23] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:23] d4vidc: no, ntp *is* done if you tell it yes. [00:24] but you said it does not default to a server [00:24] The ntpd daemon is started, and it uses localhost as the timesource by default. [00:24] rworkman, I use pool.ntp.org so I ?guess? they bounce me to nearest? ... hmm, maybe a russian porn site, gonna have to track that down, heh. Actually kde's clock does that so that's the add'y I've been using. [00:24] observe that Windoze does not accept NTP server adress via DHCP [00:24] macavity: Windows is broken. [00:24] macavity: yeah you have to manually set it lol [00:24] :D [00:24] ... only via MS AD [00:25] heh, installing centos 5.3 in qemu on slack 12.2...fun:) [00:25] LF4: ^^ AD can hand out NTP (which is nessecary for their perverted vesion of kerberos to work) [00:26] haha true but I never got to mess with AD much it seems thats the only real way to get windows to work is having an AD server on a network. Lame [00:27] Samba4 is going to ammend that [00:27] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-72.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:27] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-136.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] and from what i read, it is not *that* far from being usable [00:27] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [00:29] what the hell is MS AD? [00:29] microsoft active directory [00:30] You can use the older Domains model. [00:30] But it's considered dead. [00:30] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Motoko-chan: afaik that wont give you a way to hand out NTP servers addresses [00:32] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [00:32] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:33] I believe member machines sync off the PDC time. [00:33] cd (n=cd@24.5.14.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:35] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] what up peoples? [00:35] Sky, roof. [00:35] Action: berkough is jamming out to Pennywise [00:35] oh... my Audigy is working now... but one of the line outs seems not working. [00:36] hello, I have a problem, I was using ati proprietary drivers and now (with new kernel upgrade) I want to change it back to radeon X11 driver, however it fails since it can't find dri device, I had to manually modprobe the radeon module, this worked the first time but now X halts (well the whole system halts) when it starts... is agp module responsible of loading radeon module? or how should this be done? [00:37] did you set up a framebuffer device? [00:37] wow. i see a whole lot of BS in the buffer over the last ~2hrs [00:38] P4C0, if you used SBo's buildscript, you can revert the mesa. otherwise, the only way I found to get DRI back with radeon, is to reinstall mesa, then you stillhave to have Driver "radeon" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:39] d4vidc, Old_Fogie: hmmm not sure, I think not, I made a backup of my xorg.conf before installing the ati drivers, then I reinstalled mesa and the backup (xorg.conf) [00:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] well how did you install fgrlx? [00:40] Old_Fogie: with the packages, the binary package/script made 2 .tgz [00:40] ok so that wasn't by SBo then. [00:40] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:40] which... I haven't uninstall yet... UPS! :( [00:40] yeah, you have to removepkg /var/log/packages/your-pkgs-from-that-script , reinstall mesa, and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have Driver "radeon" and that should be it. [00:40] Nick change: aceofspa1es19 -> aceofspades19 [00:41] Old_Fogie: I reinstalled mesa but forgot to uninstall the fgrlx packages... stupid me... sorry :( [00:41] P4C0, I'm not sure tho, if the pax that makes still leaves stuff in /lib/modules/fglx and in /usr/src , it may, been a long time since I did it that wya [00:42] P4C0, take a look in /usr/share/ ?ati? and ?fglrx? see if they're there too. [00:42] it doesnt uninstall nice [00:42] Old_Fogie: second [00:42] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:43] i just luuub watching people get pwned by poison warez :P [00:43] Action: macavity ducks [00:45] Old_Fogie: seems not... [00:45] P4C0, ok and you removepkg'd the packages [00:45] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Old_Fogie: however I saw something in the remove logs like directory have new files... let me check if I can find that in the logs [00:46] is there a log of the removed packages? [00:46] yup, look in /var/log [00:47] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:47] morning [00:48] Hi frullet. How are you? [00:48] Old_Fogie: no warnings there... [00:48] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] liveuser (n=liveuser@ip70-181-172-38.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Old_Fogie: I will give it a try, brb [00:48] firebird619: good yourself/ [00:48] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "reboot" [00:48] Nick change: liveuser -> Guest97471 [00:48] frullet: doing great. Thank you. :) [00:50] Shikata ga nai [00:50] oh herro thar [00:50] frullet: you know?!?! [00:51] indeed [00:51] !!! [00:51] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Old_Fogie: thanks, it seems to be working now :) a bit slower :( [00:52] koojoo (n=zerafuze@74.13.33.202) left irc: [00:52] P4C0, ah ok good to hear [00:52] ok... what was that all about?!? :P [00:52] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.178.225.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [00:53] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [00:53] uvv (n=uvv@85.117.64.129) left ##slackware. [00:54] Guest97471 (n=liveuser@ip70-181-172-38.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:55] nite all:) [00:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:56] anyone ever had a stereo or dolby system hooked to their computer and then some PC speakers just for system notification output? [00:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:57] haha d4vidc sounds like something I'd do. [00:57] what, so music plays through the nice stereo dolby system, but the annoying alert noises come out the crappy PC speakers? No, but it sounds like a good idea [00:57] I am just trying it now [00:58] some of the KDE noises would about give you a heart attack, if played at really high volume [00:58] I hope MT2, OCP, and Audacious let me turn off certain line-outs [00:58] Urchlay, what ever sick twisted freak decided the broken glass sound for error's should be tongue lashed :) [00:58] Old_Fogie: that should be a sound in windows ;) [00:59] unfortunately it looks like I just have to install another sound card if my board has none [00:59] I have all desktop notification sounds off, even in my windows too, always have. I find them annoying. [00:59] Is there a command to list currently set environment variables? [00:59] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Old_Fogie: Don't you like clippy or Sam(the dog)? haha [01:00] I find them annoying too, but I think it is better to be notified if someone chats with me than just having a PC speaker beep. [01:00] Old_Fogie: agree [01:00] actually, whoever decided PCs should make those stupid noises at all, should be trapped in a studio control booth and forced to listen to them repeatedly through $10,000 speakers powered by at least a 2,000 watt power amp [01:00] LF4, seeing him yes, hearing him "woof woof hmmm (wags tail) woof woof" no [01:00] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] haha funny [01:00] I prefer the computer only makes noise when I tell it to (play some music, watch a movie, play a game)... [01:00] :) [01:01] Urchlay: true [01:01] the volume does not matter, but they should be forced to listen to them through at least 1/20 of the Philosophically theorized afterlife (200 - 400 years for most modern people) [01:01] 200 - 4000 years [01:01] well, I'm gonna head on out, you all have a nice night. [01:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:02] "prefer" probably isn't a strong enough word in the previous sentence... [01:03] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "cya" [01:03] well i'm going to hopefully get a good nights rest tonight so I feel better. Later people :) [01:03] LF4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "healing hopefully..." [01:03] late LF4 [01:04] s/late/later [01:04] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:07] weee.. i haz teh -current iso nao! [01:08] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.53.112) left irc: "Leaving" [01:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [01:09] slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:10] slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] FirstSgt (n=chris@68-118-209-12.dhcp.omak.wa.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] would this work for a reverse shell: netcat -v -l -p 3333 -e /bin/sh [01:11] what is a reverse shell? [01:12] FirstSgt, you mean ssh? [01:12] or are you trying to setup a backdoor? [01:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_telnet [01:13] Maybe something like this. [01:13] well, the routers are lieced from insurance co [01:13] was going to setup quake3 server on the box. [01:14] i can only vpn in + vnc [01:15] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:17] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.203.43) joined ##slackware. [01:19] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] haha, just got my Dad into Pennywise... he was like "Fuck man, these guys are right on... it's not my music, but the lyrics are right on. They're like John Lennon, they speak the truth." [01:20] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.203.43) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:22] mrselfpwn (n=mr@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:22] what up mrselfpwn? [01:22] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.203.43) joined ##slackware. [01:22] hey what's up [01:23] just broadcasted to the rest of the channel that I got my Dad into Pennywise [01:23] heh [01:23] it's confirmed, he's a 60 year old punker now [01:23] "Fuck it's not my music, but these guys are right on." [01:23] lol, that's impressive [01:23] Hi mrselfpwn. How are you? [01:23] hello firebird619 [01:24] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [01:24] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.203.43) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:24] Not too bad. [01:26] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[01:43] estou usando o slackware-current [01:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:44] powtrix: known bug. For now, do this: find /lib/modules -name "*.ko.gz" -exec gzip -d {} \; [01:45] Then try again. [01:45] Good luck ; I'm off to bed. [01:45] good night rworkman. :) [01:46] ko. [01:46] err ok ;) [01:46] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:50] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:58] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [02:04] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [02:05] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:13] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] l [02:16] Hack Slack! [02:16] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Hello, [02:21] is there any tutorial about installing slackware on an usb pendrive? [02:22] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-247.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Tired and ignorant ttyl" [02:24] installing now. [02:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [02:29] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:29] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Changing server" [02:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:31] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:34] pattwo (n=patrick@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:35] DMCEM (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] I think you can do a fresh install on a computer and then mirror it over to the pen drive. [02:37] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:37] farabi, its going to be some work, the real issue is that slack "as is" relies on fstab to be correct at boot, there is nothing to detect the root disk on boot [02:38] so you can make it work, but without some work you will find its only bootable on some systems [02:38] mrselfpwn (n=mr@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] the systems that can boot a USB device, right? [02:42] d4vidc, yea [02:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:42] basically the issue is things like SATA show as SCSI, just like USB [02:42] there is no code in slack to find the root drive [02:43] so if you set it to sda, it might work, but on another system with sata, the internal drive will be sda and the usb will be sdb, and it will fail to boot because its the wrong drive [02:44] distros like knoppix and dsl have scripts that search for the root drive to fix that [02:45] and the slack installer works because it never mounts a root fs, it just runs a really big initrd, but can search for the CD (and that is not the root drive) [02:45] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:45] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:46] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] I have a server board from a few years ago and it will not boot USB, dang it... hopefully Coreboot will make it do that [02:48] FirstSgt (n=chris@68-118-209-12.dhcp.omak.wa.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:48] ok, thanks edman007 [02:49] I just found this page, [02:49] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/ [02:50] I'll try it this evening on my usb key [02:50] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:52] It will be great it if it works [02:52] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:55] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [02:55] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:57] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] farabi: you realize that is used for installing from the usb stick right? [02:58] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] chopp: I'll try to install slack on the usb key with the script http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/create_multipartboot.sh [03:02] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:02] a bootable Slackware installer, NOT system. [03:02] g [03:02] greetings ;) [03:02] h [03:02] hello [03:02] my right small finger is running ;) [03:03] that will give you a USB stick with all of the packages + installer, not a live USB stick [03:03] Hi The-Croupier. How are you? [03:03] greetings firebird619, im ok thank you...yourself? [03:03] sometimes i want to throw my computer in the sea and then run into forest [03:03] The-Croupier: Doing great. Thank you. [03:03] nullboy,why is that? [03:04] it just seems like the proper thing to do [03:04] chopp: nullboy, thanks, my english is bad :( [03:04] we say here in greece.. you have to paint it blue first before you throw it in the sea [03:04] so that you dont scare the fish ;) [03:04] lol [03:04] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:05] The-Croupier: so if someone says "i'll paint you blue" it means they will throw you into the ocean? [03:05] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] nullboy, that means that you are so fucked up...that yes..you deserve to be thrown in the ocean [03:06] ;) [03:06] well, we have the mediterranean and ionian sea here ..no oceans [03:06] hahahah [03:06] that's awesome [03:06] ;) [03:06] nullboy, you thinking of painting somebody ;) [03:06] nope, not a person just my computers [03:07] well, what happened? [03:07] that's just where they belong! [03:07] lol [03:08] nullboy, well, that is a fact for most computers..but have a drink..relax a bit ..and maybe see it (the problem) from another prospective [03:08] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [03:09] i have no internet at home, not going to either for a long time; would it be unethical getting a very small part of the neighbours? just for a bit? [03:09] Action: The-Croupier is in a dilema... [03:09] well, it would be [03:09] unfortunately [03:10] that's what it has come to [03:10] well, im not doing it then ;) damn..ill have to use my external drive at work..and usbs etc.. [03:10] nullboy, yeah..some of the fun is taken out these days unfortunatelly [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] and there is more to come [03:11] The-Croupier: why not speak with them, and maybe swing a deal? [03:11] chopp, and says what: hi can i steal some of your internet? [03:11] "i can haz webz? u haz?" [03:12] the deal would require money..and that is a luxury i dont have..:( at all... [03:12] here's some cash, thanks. [03:12] i'd let you leech [03:12] i'd let anyone leech if they asked me [03:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421882.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:12] i'd give them the keys. all they have to do is ask [03:12] exactly, so would I [03:12] no charge? [03:12] no charge if they ask [03:12] they wouldnt ;) [03:13] no one has ever asked me for it [03:13] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] none has ever cracked it either i suspect though as well ;) [03:13] what do you gain, if not money? [03:13] Which one of you suggested crosstool or something? [03:13] nothing but it's a sunk cost anyway [03:14] nullboy, you are right.. but they would never do that..im SURE [03:14] the satisfaction of helping someone in need? [03:14] antler, what do you gain by helping people in here? [03:14] antler,g'morning by the way [03:15] but if they ask i'd let them because it's a sunk cost. no matter if i let them or not, the line gets paid for and the cost will be the same so all i ask for now is the respect of asking [03:15] The-Croupier: i don't gain anything by helping whenever i can in here. i am repaying a debt. [03:15] The-Croupier: it wouldn't be there wifi you were trying to get me to help you crack by chance was it? [03:16] chopp, no [03:16] The-Croupier: hiya! [03:16] chopp, that was for me to understand it better so i can write an automated script [03:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] I see [03:16] that script exists already [03:17] in fact you can take a fonera and turn it into an autopwn box [03:17] nullboy, yes i found out yesterday [03:17] The-Croupier: but i don't help often because i am not skilled in the ways that count here. i find i still need more than i give. :P [03:17] you could have a fonera that you power from your cig lighter in a car that autopwns as you drive [03:18] but that's bad...right [03:18] sure? [03:18] antler, same here.. but its nice to help ;) [03:19] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:20] nullboy: chopp : yeah, i can see the bit about helping for the sake of helping. (more to chopp than nullboy) [03:20] Action: chopp thinks The-Croupier is on craigslist looking for an fonera as we speak. ;) [03:20] lol [03:20] the fonera is a pretty powerful little thing if you spend some time with it [03:21] chopp, i actually was.. really got my attention [03:21] whatever happened to those config files in the CD that prevent it from defaulting to choose everything when you do expert install? [03:21] just for the sake of technology ;) [03:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:22] Action: The-Croupier loves technology gadgets [03:23] nullboy: what is a "sunk cost"? [03:24] antler: you can't recover it and it's cost is always the same [03:24] you can think of it sort of like the cost of keeping the lights on..sort of [03:24] nullboy: so a flat fee gets you unlimited dls and uploads? [03:24] they are on, whether you pay me or not, if you come over you can use them [03:25] antler: well in my case i pay the monthly fee and i get the same bandwidth no matter what [03:25] i have no caps or anything like that [03:25] oh, no caps. ok. [03:27] nullboy, the documentation on the fonera is awsome..the scripts and the howtos..everything is so detailed [03:27] The-Croupier: i have detailed files. [03:27] The-Croupier: because the company literally gave away 10,000 of them and whoever got them went crazy on learning the, [03:28] them* [03:28] chopp: hit hard with the snow yet? it's crazy here, man. [03:29] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [03:29] it's like mid-december, early january here. [03:29] antler, what do you mean? [03:29] nullboy, i was thinking of where i can buy/find one.. ebay doesnt work for me.. [03:30] DMCEM (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:30] The-Croupier: 'i need everything you got on miles dyson.' 'i have detailed files.' [03:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:31] antler: not yet. hopefully we don't get it! [03:33] antler, im sorry man..its really morning in here and im reading 5websites and at the same time..you got detailed files on what? [03:33] The-Croupier: he's freaking us all out with Terminator quotes [03:36] http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html [03:36] nullboy: heh my ex (from the university days) would say, "you're freaking me out" whenever we did it and i would gently-moderately choke her [03:36] that is freaking awesome. [03:36] nullboy, thanks..i see... antler man..dont do that when ppl are trying to read ;) [03:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] The-Croupier: hehe [03:37] nullboy, i found out that there is a fonera box 6blocks away from my house.. [03:37] im hopefully buy one as well ;) its $50 [03:39] zsakr (n=rhelis@77.42.227.93) left irc: Connection timed out [03:42] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-180-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:44] MNZ (n=MNZ@41.234.195.235) joined ##slackware. [03:44] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:46] Hi. I just did a clean install of slackware. Almost everything works out of the box except for certain key combinations. When I use shift+arrowkey for example I get '2A' on the terminal instead of it capturing the shortcut and switching the tab. [03:47] I've had this happen before, and never found out what was wrong [03:47] MNZ: It works for me in Konsole, which terminal are you using? [03:47] mrxvt [03:47] I've had slackware before btw (12.1) and it was fine [03:48] then I wanted to try fedora but decided to go back to slackware (this time 12.2) and now I have this problem [03:48] I faced this problem on ubuntu too [03:48] MNZ: It works for me there too. It must be something specific to your pc, setup. I guess I can't be too much help with it. I'm sorry. [03:49] MNZ, did you try alt+ arrow instead of shift? [03:49] yeah, then I get '3A' for the up arrow, '3B' for the down etc [03:50] It could be the keys aren't getting mapped correctly in Slackware, you'd have to remap them to how you want. [03:50] MNZ, also check the config of the mrxvt ;) you can change the shortcuts i think [03:50] yeah I have a custom config that's been with me for almost 2 years [03:50] Shift + arrow key works fine for me in Konsole, mrxvt, etc. [03:50] MNZ, lots have changed in 2years [03:50] not mrxvt ;) [03:51] and besides, it worked fine on 12.1! [03:51] MNZ,definately slackware ;) [03:51] custom config for your keys? Maybe you need to try a new, fresh config and see if that fixes it. [03:51] no I meant a config for mrxvt to setup the shortcuts the way I like them [03:51] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-183.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Heya people! [03:51] Heya person. :P [03:52] How are you elderK [03:52] I was wondering what the minimum set of packages would be, to get remote X support in a slackware installation? [03:52] Like, [03:52] I'll never use the machine to run x11 local to that machine. [03:52] All clients, on the machine, will be run via a remote X11. [03:52] MNZ, have you tried it in Konsole (KDE's terminal) and see if it works there? [03:52] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] :) So, I want to install as little of X11 is as needed :) [03:52] and hey, firebird619 and MNZ! :) [03:52] hello elderK [03:52] firebird619, no I don't have KDE yet. I tried in xfce's Terminal though [03:52] same thing [03:53] :) Just intend to run FVWM on the machine (with the minimal X11 runtimes) - have it display on a Windows machine (running Xming). So, :) All I need is the "serverside" stuff, apparently. I'm not sure. [03:53] :) Any help would be greatly appreciated. [03:53] :) For reference, these are the packages: http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/x/ [03:53] Hmm, if the issue is the same across multiple terminals, I'm guessing it's the way your keys are mapped, you maybe will have to remap then to how you want. [03:53] MNZ: ^^ [03:54] remap as in with xmodmap? [03:54] (I was also considering building Xorg some sources - for a 'minimal' install but man, documentation there is kind of lacking in what can/cannot be included) [03:54] Does the system keep an old dmesg around anywhere? I just had a close call where my hard drive apparently died, but after reboot, it's working (apparently) fine. When it was "dead" dmesg had a bunch of interesting things to say about it, but I could copy them anywhere since basically all operations required to put the output somewhere relied on disk access. (Even ls, top, and df wouldn't work.) [03:54] s/could/coudn't [03:54] MNZ: Yes. [03:55] elderK, DO NOT attempt building X from sources. Bad idea. Very bad idea. [03:55] elderK, unless you mean using the SlackBuild [03:55] MNZ: In xfce's terminal, switching tabs by default is Ctrl + Page Up and Page Down [03:56] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [03:56] spook: http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/261/42/ [03:56] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host128-28-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:56] elderK, check some of the wikis..also,slackware its very flexible in that way..lets you ruin your system any time you want ;) [03:57] firebird619, yeah I know but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to print anything when I use shift+arrowkeys [03:57] MNZ it did print that for me in xfce's terminal. Also, mrxvt's default is also Ctrl + Page Up and Page Down. [03:58] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-67-131.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:58] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-235-80.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:58] firebird619, well like I said, I have a config in place (I know it's being used because mrxvt looks cool ;). And I just tried ctrl+pageup: ' 5~5~5~5~' [03:59] this is weird [03:59] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:59] MNZ: I've always had that happen to me if I press certain keys in a terminal. I get weird characters. [03:59] Anybody have any ideas about my hard drive issue? [03:59] MNZ: Yeah, something is wrong some where with your config. Could you try Ctrl + Page Up or Down in xfce's terminal and see what happens? [04:00] firebird619, it works there [04:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [04:00] nathanbw, you should check under /var/log for the syslogs [04:00] elderK1 (n=zk@122.58.80.26) joined ##slackware. [04:00] MNZ, so its not working in your xfce only..? [04:01] o_O I d/ced? [04:01] MNZ: I would suggest give mrxvt a try *without* your custom config and see if it works. If you've had the custom config for 2 years, mrxvt could have easily changed so that your custom config key mapping doesn't work anymore. [04:01] firebird619, like I said, it worked on slack 12.1 (which I just removed last month) [04:01] but I'll try anyway [04:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:02] The-Croupier: Ctrl + Page Up or Down works in xfce for him, which is the default to switch tabs. That or Shift + arrows works for me. [04:02] MNZ: Yes, but alot could have changed even from 12.1 to 12.2 [04:02] :( I take it no one can help with my minimal remote X? [04:03] MNZ: It's worth a try anyway, sort of a diagnostics measure to see what's going on. [04:03] elderK, well you need the server itself, and perhaps the dummy video driver (IIRC) [04:03] elderK1 (n=zk@122.58.80.26) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:04] elderK1: It's not that nobody can help you at all, but sometimes it's a matter of waiting for the right person to come along that can answer your question. [04:04] elderK1 (n=zk@122.58.80.26) joined ##slackware. [04:04] firebird619, just tried with the default config. Same thing [04:04] I'll try to remap the keys now [04:04] Well, I need to get going, it's 3:00 AM here. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:04] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [04:04] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [04:04] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) got netsplit. [04:04] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got netsplit. [04:04] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) got netsplit. [04:04] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got netsplit. [04:05] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) returned to ##slackware. [04:05] MNZ: Ok, then that isn't it. :) I would think it's in the key mapping somewhere, but that's just my guess. I hope you get it working. [04:05] elderK1 (n=zk@122.58.80.26) left ##slackware. [04:06] firebird619, can it possible be in the keyboard section in xorg.conf? [04:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [04:06] elderK1: I'm probably not the right person, but, tell me what you're trying to do anyway. [04:06] MNZ: to be honest, I'm not sure, but it's possible. Do you use a custom xorg.conf with your keyboard? [04:07] firebird619, no I have an ati card and I use ati's program that writes a config for me with some options for optimum usage of the card [04:07] usr13: elderK wants what the minimum set of packages would be to get a remote X setup. [04:08] usr13: and intends to run fvwm. [04:08] firebird619: Yea, he just left.. [04:08] usr13: Ah ok, I didn't notice that. :) [04:08] I was couple seconds too slow. [04:09] MNZ: Hmm, I'm not sure then, but probably a key mapping issue somewhere. I'm sure someone else here could help you out more than me, it's just a matter of waiting for them to see your issue. [04:09] brb, restarting X [04:09] MNZ (n=MNZ@41.234.195.235) left irc: "Leaving" [04:09] MNZ: Ok, I have to get going. Good Luck. [04:09] Later guys. [04:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night."). [04:11] othermindszine (n=othermin@130.sub-70-192-143.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [04:12] e01 (n=e01@main.shu-bg.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:13] is somebody here compiled xfce 4.6.1 [04:13] What needes to be added to /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf if one wants proftpd to serve anonymous users /home/ftp/another/directory ? [04:14] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-183.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Connection timed out [04:15] chopp: way too expensive [04:16] spook,was thinking the same [04:16] Hmm, I can't seem to turn up anything interesting in the logs (which makes sense. When the drive went down, nothing could be written to, in fact, reads were also failing.) How can a get an idea of how close my drive is to failing? [04:16] more than $120 [04:17] nathanbw: can you show us the output of smartctl -a /dev/XXX [04:17] nathanbw, do you hear any wierd sounds coming from the box [04:17] just the block device, no partition number in that command [04:17] The-Croupier, no weird sounds, nullboy, coming up :-) Thanks [04:17] spook, do you know an alternative? [04:18] cheaper option to check? [04:18] MNZ (n=MNZ@41.234.195.235) joined ##slackware. [04:18] nathanbw,that is good ;) [04:18] e01: What do you need? [04:18] The-Croupier, When it went down, there was no sound, but the activity light was solid on. [04:20] nullboy, http://pastebin.ca/1400720 [04:20] omfg [04:20] dude. [04:21] lines 60 and 70 are horribly high, so high that they could be reporting errors but ignoring that...those fields should be a value of zero at all times [04:22] however, i have never seen a disk report in that manner so i would take that as a suggestion that the disk could be having issues only because those values should always be 0 [04:23] on the other hand, if those are not a reporting error i am surprised you can even use that disk at all now [04:23] nullboy, ugh :-( Also, I've been checking load_cycle_count every hour for about 6 months (after hearing about that ubuntu bug with the laptop hard drive hangups.) Here's the last few months of that log: http://pastebin.ca/1400721 [04:23] Does that rate look inordinate? [04:24] it's definitely on the high side [04:24] Pulling the last backups off now (my old backups were a few weeks old.) [04:24] Off to newegg. I wish I had the money for one of those fancy intell ssd's. [04:25] Any recommendations on a new hard drive? (Positive experience with a brand or model?) [04:26] i have no suggestions because i worked in a disk distributor's lab and i saw every disk model fail at the same rate [04:26] Haha damn. Hard drives suck :-( [04:26] glass if half-empty ;) [04:26] lol [04:26] It's my second one to go in the last 3 months [04:26] hard disks fail. [04:26] nathanbw: Oh come on. Considering what you pay it's absolutely mindblowing that they work at all. [04:26] that's the simple fact i picked up from that job [04:27] Yeah. Luckily I knew that and made backups. I lost about 20 lines of one text file, and that's it :-D [04:27] I can't wait for solid state to be large and affordable [04:27] solid state will be a data recovery nightmare though [04:27] nullboy,what hdds would you recommended ? [04:28] The-Croupier: none [04:28] ! [04:28] Haha. Run on tape! [04:28] i just happen to have seagate disks in my server and WD in my laptop [04:28] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-89c56be996f76a53) joined ##slackware. [04:29] nullboy, i have wd on laptop and external wd. but that sounds a little bit scary no hdds?! [04:29] What's weird is that my 2 year old hard drive in my desktop recently died, so in the meanwhile of getting a new disk, I put in a 6 year old drive that used to be in an overheated case. Still runs like a charm. [04:29] moring [04:31] othermindszine (n=othermin@130.sub-70-192-143.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:31] nathanbw: that's how it goes. disks failures are just like any other random event; they fail in a bell curve. sometimes you get one that lands in right hand out lying regions and other times you get one that lands in the left side. most of the time you get one that lands right there in the middle [04:32] nullboy, yeah. Overall, I've been pretty lucky :-) [04:33] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [04:35] i just walked outside and it is so humid that the air is wet [04:35] you walk and get wet [04:35] it's at about 91% right now [04:35] Tyrael_ (n=bart@212.187.2.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:36] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:36] nullboy, im glad that is not celcius ;) [04:37] Celcius humidity? [04:37] that's a % [04:37] so moist it's like the air is dripping [04:38] over the weekend i went out into the desert and it was probably 10% and 101F [04:38] it was wicked out there [04:38] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-89c56be996f76a53) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:38] nullboy, nice. I lived in the desert for a while. I'm used to the humidity in Alabama, but no matter how you slice it, >100F is hot! [04:39] yeah [04:39] this is hilarious http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/22/2223214 [04:40] what a bunch of morons [04:40] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:41] can someone please run xmodmap and show me their output? [04:41] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12859 [04:42] thanks [04:42] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fc178913ec4558a) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Oh crap.... ok I found the problem [04:46] For future reference, someone on #linux said: "those are part of the ansi codes for the keys. if the terminal emulator doesn't intercept them and the shell doesn't interpret them, the shell is likely to just take it literally and beep and write garbage" [04:48] apparently this is not the the config I've been using.... it's another one that just has the looks setup and I put it in my homedir... so the keys are setup in the main config in /etc [04:48] so it worked in some distros (which had the keys setup in a certain way) and some not XD [04:48] I'll just go bang my head on the nearest wall now [04:48] MNZ (n=MNZ@41.234.195.235) left irc: "Leaving" [04:49] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-182.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:53] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5fc178913ec4558a) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:53] if ppl hang themselves so easily maybe we should make linux less configurable..:( [04:53] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b2ba9bf83fff6009) joined ##slackware. [04:54] hahaha: i like this part: Wow! I'm glad I have Windows! [04:55] ryht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [04:56] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:00] Anyone ever used mailutil on a Maildir? [05:02] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:03] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:04] yht|off (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:06] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cxq82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:07] how often does this happen? escalate ordinary user privileges to root privileges without permission [05:10] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/22/1815226 [05:15] depends [05:15] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.13) joined ##slackware. [05:15] is the linux box patched? is it exposed to the internets? is the admin clueless? [05:16] <_RadioHead> hello people [05:16] <_RadioHead> hi slackytude :) [05:16] heya [05:22] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:24] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Nick change: Makaveli_ma -> The_Loyal [05:29] what do you mean by patched? [05:29] slackytude? [05:30] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-182.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] How can I uninstall a program that I compiled from the source ? [05:32] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.225.224.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] The_Loyal: you installed it with 'make install'? See if 'uninstall' exists. If not, you're out of luck and will have to clean it manually. [05:32] spirki71 (n=spirki71@dhcp-077-250-236-057.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:33] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:33] multimas, it allowed you to log in this time ;) nickserv ok? [05:33] multimas, I think that the second option is the right, there is no uninstall target in the makefile :( [05:33] WHO wants to use my computer for downloads or other ? You can get the codes to acces my computer and you can use it as you want. This is real and serious !!! [05:33] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [05:34] The_Loyal: Apparently. As if that says anything at all.. :) [05:34] spirki71 : get out. [05:34] The_Loyal: Yep. Manual cleanup then. [05:34] spirki71,listen to ananke [05:34] spirki71: sure, give me an account [05:34] multimas, sure it will be :( [05:39] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-235-80.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:41] apparently spirki71 is offering accounts on his windows machine. he does not have any slackware machines :) [05:41] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org" [05:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [05:42] spirki71 (n=spirki71@dhcp-077-250-236-057.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [05:46] spook,did you tell him "offering accounts on windows machine" is a default option in windows? "print and sharing on" ;) [05:47] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:47] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:48] guys, on a tech-report file: description,solution,date,deadline,technician,state,labname. do i need anything else? iam not that experienced in reports :( [05:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [05:53] cherife (n=cherife@121.0.29.226) joined ##slackware. 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[06:17] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:17] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@200.213.154.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Nick change: Agiofws -> webber [06:29] Nick change: webber -> Agiofws [06:31] ananke, sorry bro...was reading about them... technical computer report..kind of what needs to be done how..and who is doing it...etc [06:36] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:36] kama (n=kama@host69-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:36] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) joined ##slackware. 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[06:57] wardenxvx (n=wardenis@pool-98-110-2-205.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] wardenxvx (n=wardenis@pool-98-110-2-205.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:02] Anyone put mailman on a slackware box? [07:05] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:05] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] cmon.. wake up bitches.. it's lunchtime! [07:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:07] The-Croupier, try to use case method of UML, it's the most detailed template of reporting [07:07] /usr/local/mailman (default), /opt/mailman, or somewhere else? opinion? [07:07] Zordrak, you are brutal :P [07:08] brutal? [07:09] yes you want us answer your question by force :P [07:09] trying to get some activity going [07:10] instead of waiting for america to join the rest of the world in awake-land [07:12] Floops (n=baihu@gw.tb.bb.floops.info) left irc: "changing servers" [07:17] J0AuM (n=rkqmsu@200-102-17-17.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] Zordrak: yeah i did. [07:17] i used /usr/local/mailman [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@98.118.78.221) joined ##slackware. [07:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a17ebe2a778f0e22) joined ##slackware. [07:18] morning [07:19] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] spook: *nod* [07:22] spook: i was thinxing about it [07:23] but ever since the nagios debacle i kinda swore-off using /usr/local [07:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:24] i had considered using /var/mailman /usr/bin and /usr/mailman... but it's the /usr/mailman that aint right [07:24] and im NOT gonna use /home/mailman [07:24] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [07:24] so i guess it may have to be /opt [07:25] i was very surprised to find no-one has a slackbuild for mailman [07:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [07:32] whats mailman's home page? [07:33] the GNU mailman? [07:33] DMCEM (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:34] yht (n=yht@114.121.2.183) joined ##slackware. [07:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: "byez" [07:34] wheres you complaining yesterday that the source wasnt available? were you talking about another mailman then? [07:35] s/wheres/weren't [07:39] yht_ (n=yht@114.121.62.191) joined ##slackware. [07:39] sahko: not me... [07:39] yht (n=yht@114.121.2.183) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:40] Floops (n=baihu@2001:470:a073:0:0:0:0:10) joined ##slackware. [07:40] mustve been another Zordrak :P [07:40] Nick change: yht_ -> yht [07:40] lemme see the logs [07:42] ooops [07:42] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:43] hmm http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ doesnt seem complete [07:43] sahko, it takes a while..if it was yesterday..it will be there tomorrow..;) [07:43] is it so important though? :( [07:44] not really [07:44] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Xenius (n=Xenius@81.18.126.58) joined ##slackware. [07:45] aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh [07:45] that was mailutil [07:45] oh right, sorry [07:45] it's part of the uw-imap tools package [07:48] sahko,you must be really bored after the vacations to check the logs ;) [07:48] it was the first time i tried to do so. but didnt help me much [07:49] i dont care enough to log the channel myself though [07:49] lol [07:49] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.108.175.47) joined ##slackware. [07:49] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:49] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) joined ##slackware. [07:49] sahko,why log the channel..? you are never gonna read all that... its like loging your sms,and phone conversations [07:50] Action: The-Croupier appreciates an online log...but local log..dont see the point [07:50] grepping logs for answers is very effective [07:51] one p less, i think [07:51] especially in conjunktion with -A and -B [07:54] s/k/c/ [07:58] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: "Smoke my bones" [07:59] DMCEM (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) joined ##slackware. [08:01] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[08:20] hi, wicd worked for a while, but now my wireless doesn't work [08:20] Ilie, what does iwconfig say? [08:20] I added /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start to rc.local and It worked but now It doesn't detect any wireless messages [08:20] just a sec [08:21] it detects wlan0 [08:22] so your wireless works ;) [08:22] do you want me to paste it in a pastebin ? [08:22] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] DMCEM (n=sk@75.158.223.97) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:22] http://pastebin.com/d24e0f9a5 [08:24] FMDCH (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] b43-phy0: Broadcom 4311 WLAN found [08:24] Ilie, now how about iwlist wlan0 scanning... do you get anything? [08:24] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] [08:24] from dmesg [08:25] just a sec [08:25] b43-phy0 warning: You are using an old firmware image. Support for old firmware will be removed in July 2008. [08:25] b43-phy0 warning: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the latest firmware (version 4). [08:25] is this the problem ? [08:25] dfs (n=test@220.227.242.194) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Ilie, most definately could be ;) [08:25] :)) [08:26] Ilie, you dont loose anything if you update your firmware..on the contrary it helps ;) [08:27] how do I remove the old one ? [08:27] Ilie, why remove..update it [08:27] I don't think I'll get a wizard to pop "do you want to upgrade your firmaware?" in slackware :) [08:28] Ilie, check the slackwiki..ther should most definately be something there..i cannot help atm cos im not in slackware box [08:29] wow, and I also have a tutorial which it's only 7-8 pages long :) [08:29] ok The-Croupier , thanks for your help [08:30] np didnt do much..;) [08:31] for future reference though...its nice to have updated firmware..usually means theres good stuff in the new one..makes run more smoothly..or they found some error in the last one [08:31] not always..but most of the time ;) [08:34] neurosys (n=neurosys@88.240.102.117) joined ##slackware. [08:34] It would be much nicer if that would be available "out of the box" in slackware :) [08:35] Ilie, imagine how many ppl would like something "out of the box" that would not make slackware as nice as it is [08:35] Ilie,what version are you running? [08:35] 12.2 [08:36] Ilie, did you check the kernel [08:36] ? [08:36] if i remember correctly there were some stuff about broadcom in the kernel..dont remember exactly but ...im sure i saw something [08:37] :) ok The-Croupier , thanks again [08:37] np again ;) [08:37] Action: Ilie brb, rebooot [08:37] Ilie (n=slacker@info-a-5.info.uaic.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] hey you gud people of the linux world . i come from a distant planet called windows. can you please tell me if it is possible to do everything in linux that one can do in windows. for i am seeking to get rid of the long tailed rodent for ever. i have heard or guessed that the people of slackware or the eldermost of the high order of computer proficiency.pardon me and initiate me into the world of real computing efficiency. unworthy though i am. [08:39] wow i didnt mean to say all that i mistakenly pressed the enter key [08:39] wow this is embarassing [08:40] i am out of here [08:40] dfs (n=test@220.227.242.194) left ##slackware. [08:40] neurosys_ (n=neurosys@88.240.102.117) joined ##slackware. [08:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:40] J0AuM (n=rkqmsu@200-102-17-17.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "CyberScript - não usar é um verdadeiro pecado.. (www.cyberscript.org)" [08:41] Nick change: neurosys_ -> neuro_sys [08:42] office (n=office@chello087206085060.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:44] dfs (n=test@220.227.242.194) joined ##slackware. [08:44] dfs, you are in the wrong channel again [08:45] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] sorry i was just typing that for fun when i pressed the enter key by mistake [08:46] i see you keep logs [08:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:46] dfs, logs and a noobfarm ;) [08:46] you grow noobs [08:47] yep, to feed them gurus [08:47] dfs, no noobs are born, we just present them to the world [08:47] Everyone in here keeps logs [08:47] i hope Dominian is not [08:48] Its part of an NSA conspiracy [08:48] ?? [08:48] he he [08:48] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Dominian, lol i was just gonna say lucky Dominian is not here [08:48] lol [08:48] The-Croupier: haha [08:48] :D [08:48] You'd be surprised how long I sit here just watching the convo [08:48] Dominian, i am really scared of you..its like you wake up with the noobs [08:48] hehe [08:48] its ESP [08:49] Dominian gets fed,waken up with noobs ;) [08:49] I can "sense" they are near [08:49] lol [08:49] Dominian, can i give you a nick [08:49] rworkman, alienBOB, Alan_Hicks, phrag, ping [08:49] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: "leaving" [08:49] The noobs in here don't compare to other channels I'm sitting in [08:49] Dominian == TheNoobProphet [08:49] The-Croupier: haha [08:49] Or: Reverend Noob [08:49] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:49] seeing as I *am* Ordained [08:49] heh [08:50] oh god [08:50] you all must be like programmers or better right. [08:50] No? [08:50] straterra, yes son [08:50] dfs: me? a programmer!? [08:50] ha [08:50] I'm a Systems Administrator [08:50] I program [08:50] Action: Dominian looks at straterra [08:50] VCR doesn't count! [08:50] j/k [08:51] Hello, and welcome to another edition of "Save your Soul" with Reverend Noob [08:51] hrm... getting some wacky ideas for logos now [08:51] Dominian, can you pm me something..cos im in online irc and cannot do it [08:52] neurosys (n=neurosys@88.240.102.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:53] dfs (n=test@220.227.242.194) left ##slackware. [08:58] dfs (n=test@220.227.242.194) joined ##slackware. [09:00] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] Dominian, shall we have something on the topic that says..be aware there is logs and the nbfarm? [09:01] hehe [09:01] ooops wrong window.. [09:01] have to talk to the OPs about that one [09:02] what do i have to do before i get linux slackware [09:02] nahhh i dont think they will agree... but hey.. ;) i think it will ruin the fun a bit [09:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] dfs, get a beer or coffee, cigarettes if you smoke, a pc, some tutorials printed or a anotherPc connected online, ... [09:04] dfs: Download the iso; install; be free [09:04] dfs, there is no spoon just slackware [09:04] another pc .?? i can buy a cheap pc maybe cn an old third hand system do [09:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:05] damn, i have to watch what i say..:( [09:05] yht (n=yht@114.121.62.191) left irc: "I must go.. [on Debian Lenny i686] - Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP" [09:06] i ment a pc connected online...just in case you need the internet.. but nowadays..its so straightforward there will hardly be any need ;) [09:06] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) joined ##slackware. [09:07] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:07] i heard old systems run on linux. so iwas hoping to buy "some to be thrown away to the garbage reseller" really cheaply and make use of them . clever me [09:07] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) joined ##slackware. [09:07] old PC's run windows too [09:09] dfs, sorry for asking..how old are you? [09:10] in my curent pc windows is slow and gets tuck many times and i can type faster than the letter appear on the screen i have like 1.8ghz processor 1gb ram . not bad still windows annoys manytimes. i am not tryin to comment on windows' minuses and feel like a genius [09:10] i wont tell my age . i wont [09:10] not yet [09:10] anyway [09:11] but i guess i am younger than you .my htird sense says it [09:11] or is it my fourth sense [09:11] must be my sixth sense surely [09:12] Which one tells you that you're annoying? Listen to that one. [09:12] Action: chopp saw that one coming [09:12] sorry guys just trying to be funny . if u dont like it . i can be normal [09:13] Normal or gone; either is fine. [09:13] wow thats shrewd [09:13] rworkman: lol [09:14] dfs: so, do you actually have a slackware related question, or? [09:14] It's really simple. 1) You're not funny. 2) Nobody here knows you. 3) Your first memorable contribution to the channel was a troll. Ergo, you should try to fit in or you should leave. [09:14] dfs, i would suggest you do some reading before you do anything..;) check the topic of the channel...than come back [09:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: "I'm not a quitter, I just had to go" [09:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] o no sorry but pls dont ban me i have to come back here for help a couple of days later [09:15] Screw Miro, gPodder is the way to go :) [09:15] with knowledge comes wisdom, and with wisdom troll gets minimised [09:15] and ppl get kicked ;) "forgot that one" [09:16] lol [09:16] but i didnt insult anyone. [09:16] Action: alkos333 is a bit upset because the middle mouse on his T60 broke :( ... no smooth scrolling in FF [09:16] *mouse key [09:17] use synaptics :) [09:17] alkos333: so replace it? [09:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:17] chopp: Right, I will. I hate new keyboards though lol.. the keys won't be used up anymore :) [09:17] alkos333, think of the apple ppl ;) [09:18] My finger tips won't be able to slide across the keyboard like they used to [09:18] The-Croupier: I don't want to think of Apple people - it hurts [09:18] cherife (n=cherife@121.0.29.226) left irc: "leaving" [09:18] you must consider that [09:18] people can be worse [09:18] you should know [09:18] Channel flood from dfs -- kicking [09:18] ok even people like me value their time so i dont want to waste anymore time of your either .bye and i will be back and next time with some intelligent questions [09:18] dfs kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:18] well, it was supposed to make you feel better [09:18] hahaha [09:19] Action: macavity is pretty fsked up :-/ [09:19] The-Croupier: Yes, I tried using Photoshop on a Mac a few days ago.. almost killed myself [09:19] macavity: Why so serial? [09:19] alkos333, now i dont know how much the middle finger sliding anywhere is gonna make you feel better but ..hey [09:19] alkos333: long story.. my GF is seriously ill [09:20] macavity, sorry to hear that.. :( health problems are always bad [09:20] trentgbs_ (n=trentgbs@c-68-49-217-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] is it bad when you feel like typing real loud? [09:21] hehe [09:21] i need a keyboard with bigger buttons, and a Windows fanboy to bash [09:21] and turn on CAPS SO WE THINK YOU'RE YELLING AT US [09:21] The-Croupier: Oh, don't tweak the story now lol [09:21] nope if you dont shout what you are typing [09:21] macavity: Very sorry to hear that man. [09:22] she is in the psychiatric ward.. and currently they are saying "monday is the soonest" [09:22] macavity, why a windows fanboy..? [09:22] ... they just neglect to tell me WHICH monday [09:22] ash monday? [09:23] macavity: sorry to hear that, man! [09:23] The-Croupier: because they are so fucking amazingly stupid that i can have hours of fun skull fucking their rediculous OS back to the stoneage [09:23] macavity, how about we all join the #windows for you... [09:24] general observasion: people who resort to IRC to get emotional releif ought to get a life [09:24] .. oh wait? [09:24] but then again, you wont be able to smash their heads [09:24] :P [09:24] The-Croupier: i am only verbaly abusive [09:24] ... because i'm kinda short and whimpy [09:24] macavity, damn... [09:25] im sure short and whimpy guys can still manage something ;) [09:25] at least my morbid sense of humor didnt get admitted to the ward [09:25] macavity, sorry didnt read that right sense of what ? [09:25] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [09:25] heh :P [09:26] morbid == "dark" [09:26] Dominian, now is the time we need some noobs .. just for macavity ;) [09:26] macavity: maybe go out later with a buddy and blow off some steam, have a beer or two? I hope yout gf is well soon! [09:26] your [09:27] hitest: i dont drink.. maybe i can scrape up the dole to go face a gokart or something [09:27] macavity: Yes, hope she gets better bud. [09:27] irc "budz" [09:27] she will... i'm just fscked up because i cant do anything [09:28] i understand [09:28] macavity: So what did she do? [09:28] cry-for-help-suicide-attempt-style thing? [09:28] I'm always very stressed out whn a member of my family is ill [09:29] when [09:29] Schizofrenia? [09:29] multimas: have a nervous break down and cry her eyes out while shaking like a little cold dog for 8 hours in a row [09:29] macavity: So, like, an anxiety attack. [09:29] for no apparent reason [09:29] Not much of a diagnosis. [09:29] Oh well, doesn't sound too bad. [09:30] (Not meaning that's fine either) [09:30] post traumatic stress syndrome [09:30] Action: Zordrak is sick of UW fanbois pissing lyrical on the merits of mbox... IT FRIGGEN REEKS! mbox is insane and while maildir isnt perfect it's 100% saner than mbox [09:30] this is just one of the really bad seasures [09:31] macavity: 'seizures'. Mm. So what happened? [09:31] the above [09:31] macavity: (why does she have ptsd) [09:31] oh, looong fight with the system + undiagnosed ADHD for 40 years [09:31] tue (n=fedora@85.186.92.50) joined ##slackware. [09:32] 40 years [09:32] macavity: Long fight with the system? [09:32] I see. [09:32] tue (n=fedora@85.186.92.50) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:32] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:32] macavity: Well, sucks to be you :( [09:32] people with ADHD tend to get chewed up in the mill before someone realises that it is not just bullshit talk when they say "i cant" [09:32] she litterally *cant* express her limits when under strain [09:32] is anyone has worked with (openLDAP and squid) ? [09:33] i can read them off her like an open book, so we are all good and fine [09:33] but screw that.. lets talk tech solutions [09:33] .. the perfect escape for a geek in distress :P [09:34] Indeed [09:34] Oh wait [09:34] solutions are never fun, just arriving at them [09:34] :( [09:35] haha [09:36] Meh. Back to work. [09:36] multimas: oh, come to think of it [09:37] multimas: ... perhaps you should pick your timing on when to teach people proper english a little better [09:37] just a thought [09:38] macavity: Interpret it as "helped you out", not "teach". It was not meant as an insult. [09:39] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [09:40] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] is there a program that runs another program directling all the stdin and stdout to a file? [09:42] Knightingale: know your pipes. [09:42] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [09:44] yes [09:44] Knightingale: "program > file 2>&1" will do exactly that. [09:45] cheers [09:46] Knightingale: erm actually I misread your question - I read "stdout and stderr" which is what my example does [09:47] thats what i meant anyway [09:47] Knightingale: Oh. Neat. :) [09:47] :) [09:47] Knightingale: i know that the manpage for bash is a little tarse, but if you just look up "redirection" in it, it will explain all the fancyness [09:48] Knightingale: just type /keyword to search a page for keyword [09:48] yep already got it up [09:48] i think i read it end to end 10 times.. i still cant remember half of it [09:49] .. but i know where to look :P [09:51] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:52] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:52] Knightingale: also tee(1) might be of use [09:52] alexfranci_libre (n=alexfran@gisella.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [09:52] alexfranci_libre (n=alexfran@gisella.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Anyone here running ATI hardware on there slackware install? If so has it been stable? [09:55] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.28.5) joined ##slackware. [09:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] copland-leopard: I'm running on it [09:56] copland-leopard: the free driver that ships with xorg is supposedly stable, however a little slow [09:56] exactly [09:56] What about ATI's driver? [09:57] I'm using it though, I have no gaming needs so fa [09:57] r [09:57] from what i hear, it is a good idea to use the slackbuilds.org repackage of it.. that will allow you to remove it cleanly [09:57] macavity, good luck.. have a nice day [09:57] The-Croupier: thanks :-) you too [09:57] bye bye everyone [09:57] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:57] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:58] I setup a spare box as a htpc and some one said try ubuntu and now I am regretting it all it does is crash when I try to watch divix files :( Should of just slaped slackware on it [09:58] Indeed you should have [09:58] all my other boxes have slackware but noo I had to break my routine [09:59] the man says you can just do: p &> out [10:00] man page that is [10:00] Yeah I have not figure it out yet if it is the built in audio card on the video card acting up or if it is pluseaudio being the cheap hack tht it is [10:01] maybe if I lucky I can get this box resetup before this evening [10:04] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [10:06] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [10:06] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.201.225) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.13) left irc: "Leaving" [10:09] is there a grap wherein, each oss package name (such as gtk+-2.12.9-r2) shows what its dependents are, and who depends it? so that we can have overview how these stuff are connected and related...? [10:12] that sounds a bit like gentoo [10:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:13] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:15] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:19] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) joined ##slackware. [10:20] wow, accidentally joined #unix [i'm sleepy], screw that channel [10:21] Slacwareness [10:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.142.215) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Slackwareness or Slackwarity? [10:22] I think debian has such a graph [10:22] Slackmortality [10:23] Slackshutupthesemisnomersarestupid [10:27] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [10:28] gasp, linux fail : my hardware that used to work doesn't work anymore : the driver I need hasn't been updated for kernel 2.6.29 [10:29] Slackware broke my HP printer and HP won't support me and hung up on me, where do i go to get my money back, OMG [10:29] Camarade_Tux: user fail [10:29] Camarade_Tux: you didnt check your drivers/modules before upgrading [10:29] you broke your printer, no slackware [10:30] Zordrak, no : the driver is outside the kernel [10:30] no way, computers do things by themselves [10:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:30] i was away when it broke [10:30] Camarade_Tux: you still should have checked [10:30] it's not perfect but it used to work [10:31] Zordrak, it was a bit unreliable and I favored kernel upgrade to that module (I don't really use the webcam) [10:32] Slackshutupthesemignomersarestupid, vastina? [10:32] Xenius: my printer?! [10:32] I mean, did your mean what I typed? [10:33] ok so i have an idea.... everyone in this community should donate a dollar for me to get a new printer, british pounds and euros are cool as well [10:33] you on crack? [10:34] Xenius: a joke mate, just woke up, drinking my mate, and getting a laugh [10:34] chopp: oh yeah, slipped a line in this mate buddy [10:34] vastina, I am poor :( [10:34] but you're loyal, so pay [10:34] now [10:34] vastina, LOL you got it :P [10:34] What mate did you mean? [10:34] Action: chopp wanders off shaking his head. [10:34] you take checks, vastina? [10:35] hitest: only certified man [10:35] heh [10:35] don't even try to scam me with a photocopied money order [10:35] i'm good for it;-) [10:35] i want my bloody printer to be replaced, it's slackware's fault! [10:36] wtf? [10:36] Action: Zordrak wishes it was impossible to learn english without learning colloquialisms and basic humerous constructs too [10:36] anyway i heard this last night from a company i'm consulting and i couldn't stop laughing, so i thought i'd share it, that's where the printer story came from [10:36] i remember when i had my first beer:) [10:37] ? [10:37] that's nice. [10:37] Mtty (n=Mtty@166.133.220.92) joined ##slackware. [10:37] think that happened to me well beyond my memory [10:37] hitest: nicer than your bizarre rantings [10:37] Mtty (n=Mtty@166.133.220.92) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:38] Xenius: oh i just got what you meant by mate... i meant the south american drink, mate.... wish i could accent the e [10:38] Zordrak, I learn english because the good documentation was wrote in this language, that's it :) [10:38] then get out. go read documentation [10:38] that should actually be ok : there has been an svn commit for the new kernel api [10:39] Psychonauticus (n=Psychona@166.133.169.228) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Zordrak, English became international language. I think It would be better to use Esperanto or Loglan for such, but english already holds this place [10:39] Zordrak, I am reading everyday 2-4 ebook chapters so don't worry :) [10:40] Xenius: no man, swahili should be the language of choice for GPL documentation... [10:40] giuppy (n=giuppy@host24-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:40] Action: vastina thinks of RMS in swahili garbs and laughs [10:41] If all documentation, default interface and so on is on Loglan, it's better [10:41] I prefer to think of RMS in a 55 gallon oil barrel as I push it off a mountian [10:41] copland-leopard: awww be nice to mr Stallborn [10:41] I cant be nice if he had his way I would be aout of a job [10:41] vastina, international language should be constructed, using natural lang for this purpose is wrong [10:42] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75.50.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Psychonauticus (n=Psychona@166.133.169.228) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] because USA ride we have english as the language #1, but when sooner China's ride, it will be the Chinese language :) [10:43] I refuse to program in mandarin [10:44] copland-leopard, use loglan [10:44] it's not you or me who can decide, it's the powerful who can do that [10:44] no Ni Hao for me [10:44] Psychonauticus (n=Psychona@32.171.48.30) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Xenius: it's called transgression, see the romans raped and pillaged the european world, making way for us little english people to about the rock and throw flags upon people's soil, getting their finest women then teaching our tongue, flash forward to technology, the same arrogance has yet to abate and the natural tongue of most developers has been... the sans-robust english natural language for documentation [10:44] lol [10:44] The-spiki, it was because nacists from German prohibited Esperanto [10:44] koukos_: it's "equery depgraph scons" showing the stuff that scons needs...awesome..only gentoo can do this?? wow... [10:44] copland-leopard: yeah.... no mandarin programming for me... i can't even count to five, let alone greet someone in mandarin [10:45] *The_Loyal [10:45] can slackware show what stuff does package A depends on? [10:45] Sorry, autocompetition [10:45] I know one phrase in chinese Ni hao ma [10:45] Xenius, np :) [10:45] Psychonauticus (n=Psychona@32.171.48.30) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] copland-leopard: ni hao ma... meaning? your look like you've had rice today [10:46] *s/your/you [10:46] So esperanto communities was supressed [10:46] Ni hao is Hello and Ni Hao ma is how are you [10:46] rough translations [10:47] insomnis (n=insomnis@166.133.49.156) joined ##slackware. [10:48] I have a question is there a good book that can show the best practice of coding in C language ? i.e for OO languages we have the Design patterns, what is the substitute of it in C language ? [10:48] stillbor2 (n=blow_my_@YKMMMDCXIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:49] What is better, Loglan or Esperanto as international language? [10:49] neither [10:50] Xenius, the C language :D [10:50] Any natural languages is wrong at this purpose [10:50] since barely ANYONE speaks them [10:50] The_Loyal, perl :P [10:50] Xenius, it will be killed by Ruby sooner ;) [10:50] Zordrak, it is historic [10:51] bottom line is the decision is made... international air flight is english and so are most other things [10:51] English = USA [10:51] :P [10:51] English = England [10:51] The only other sane option would be spanish [10:51] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.201.225) left ##slackware. [10:52] but no-one likes the spanish... so english it is [10:52] Xenius: join daft punk and act like a robot all day, we're humans, and of us english speaking humans had the first opportunities to code on a global scale their documentation of work is in their tongue.... next subject, gracias [10:52] Zordrak, england made football but Brazil ride world football, we can apply the same theory ;) [10:52] Perl is better. Can you write programs like *'=~('(?{'.('{ }}, ._}_~@_{^,@./[~[~[*][[{<./+@;,}+:_@[@?@+%_|'^'_|@_@|@}[}@~}@.^)@[|^| |@((/[]@@_(^^]{_-,{(^#@@-[').'})') on Ruby? [10:52] English is one of the international languages of business [10:53] morning [10:53] morning frullet:) [10:53] Yes it is, but esperanto or loglan would be better [10:53] hitest: hows it mate? [10:53] Xenius, LOL we know that the only big power of perl is regular expression :) but it's not enough [10:53] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) joined ##slackware. [10:53] crap [10:54] perl is more than regexes [10:54] it's scriptable C for the masses [10:54] perl is the cats pajamas, recognise [10:54] THERE IS RUBYYYYYYYY WHO CAME WITH FORCE [10:54] i do ruby when i'm high [10:54] Action: vastina loves capistrano [10:54] Action: The_Loyal exit Perl enter Ruby [10:55] The_Loyal: Moron... your bus is leaving.. [10:55] ruby was made for lazy arse developers [10:55] I like perl for such beautyful programs [10:55] Xenius: me 2 [10:55] larry wall is a genious [10:55] And I like dc also [10:56] type-o intended [10:56] genius [10:57] Action: vastina whips out the o'reilly camel [10:57] [10:57] vastina, If you still have a problem in debugging with C++ language for example then you are so far from being pro :) [10:57] Action: vastina hands snL20 a donut [10:57] vastina: mmmmmm dooooonuts [10:58] Nick change: Xenius -> Necrosporus [10:58] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:58] all language are simple, the real problem that we can have in programming is in "designing" [10:59] know why i like perl? [10:59] The_Loyal: dont declare languages simple until you can speak in them without being obnoxious and dysfunctional [10:59] print "Suck it!\n"; [10:59] is valid [11:00] Zordrak, If I can program with the hardest language efficiently like C++, where is the problem in other language ? [11:00] my $foo = ; [11:01] yu kung-fu no good! [11:01] bbl.....off to work [11:01] caio (n=caio@200.2.124.206) joined ##slackware. [11:02] my $bar = <>; [11:02] "multimas" =~ /.*m(.*?)m/ [11:02] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: [11:03] stillborn (n=blow_my_@YKMMCLXXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:05] 4 hr math exams fail [11:05] monstro (i=1000@201-92-43-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:06] hbock (n=hbock@pool-96-253-33-184.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [11:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [11:07] yo Necos, you failed your maths? [11:07] i find that hard to believe\ [11:07] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Success [11:08] _Seff_ (n=chatzill@92.80.13.130) joined ##slackware. [11:09] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.201.225) joined ##slackware. [11:09] is slackware, has an "install once, update forever" packaging system...? [11:09] Only if you run -current [11:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:10] no, my math exam was 4 hrs [11:10] and its not a traditional "packaging" system that you're probably used to [11:10] i passed it... i'm just fuckin dead tired [11:10] Dominian: you mean, it's not a modern packaging system..like gentoo? [11:10] haha [11:11] >.> [11:11] Dominian: but i like slackware's discreetness..though [11:11] Necos: well done man, get some sleep now, you know how this channel goes, we speak 70% crap and 30% slack [11:11] spideryummy, use slackpkg, slapt-get, etc... [11:11] well it simple [11:11] vastina, i'm at work already [11:11] Necos: well, sod my words then [11:11] Slackware just works! so little need for actual slack talk [11:12] Necos: can those bring up my slackware at par with the next release? [11:12] that's what -current is, for the most part [11:13] skg757 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:13] unless some stuff changes under the hood (which it does every so often), then you need to read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT and UPGRADE.TXT [11:13] but i learn a lot from slackware..and i like it to stay that way.. [11:13] upgrade. ha I have a intranet sever at work that still run slackware 7 [11:13] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:13] lol [11:14] i think, slackware like to keep at your feet on what package depends on what... [11:15] ok, xfce is beginning to piss me off... i prefer fluxbox [11:15] i think slackware makes it a point not to try something that has been proven to be implemented wrong (portage, apt-get, etc...) [11:15] s/apt-get/yum/; [11:15] Action: vastina cringes hard at the debian hereseys spoken by Necos [11:15] Necos: portage wrong? [11:15] bad Necos!! [11:16] The_Loyal (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] Necos: automatic dependency search helps... [11:16] hbock (n=hbock@pool-96-253-33-184.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:16] Necos: say apt-get one more time, and i will have a woman queef the road-warrior on you [11:16] yum remove python (and see if you don't eat those words) [11:17] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@81.18.126.58) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:17] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.201.225) left ##slackware. [11:18] vastina: or the sneezing unicorn ;) [11:18] vastina: hahaha!!! cheers! [11:18] frullet: meant for you [11:18] typed my own nick for some reason there [11:18] vastina, apt-get is ok.... i was thinkin of yum [11:19] Action: vastina just hates debian and her spawn [11:20] Action: vastina feels the same way about redhat [11:20] / [11:20] you are not l33t if you use RHEL, in fact you're supported and probably mentally challenged [11:21] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.59.82.203.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Action: vastina sadly recollects losing a dear friend to RHEL, then wipes a tear [11:23] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-206-62.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] insomnis (n=insomnis@166.133.49.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-245.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:26] lol [11:26] anyway, what is the slackware equivalent of man afterboot ? [11:26] i forget [11:26] eh? [11:26] rc.local? [11:26] no no... [11:26] man afterboot? [11:26] the first man page after a first install [11:26] afterboot is openbsd, sorry [11:27] first man page? [11:27] but what's the slackware equivalent [11:27] yeah, like the first steps a new admin should read and undertake [11:27] slackbook.org [11:27] on a fresh install, trying to help a friend here... [11:27] no just a man [11:27] vi /var/mail/root [11:27] there..isnt one [11:27] oh... thought there was... [11:27] no problem [11:28] Necos: that might do... [11:28] I replaced a friends RHEL box with slackware and said what did you do my tomcat apps run twice as fast now. I just said slackware and left it at that. RHEL has not been seen again at his workplace [11:28] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:28] hahaha [11:28] copland-leopard: touching story, and i'm glad you said it [11:28] no sarcasm [11:29] There nothing wrong with RHEL other then using RHEL you only know how to use RHEL [11:29] not sure i'd call it touching [11:29] cheers necos, /var/mail/root was what i was looking for, but use less or cat, don't use vi... [11:30] meh, whatever [11:30] Well over all there was some bickering with the higher ups over support contracts but since they have only had like 2 problems since going to slackware they are pretty much gone [11:30] but you got your answer [11:30] lol [11:30] Who needs support contract with you have the power of slackware+google [11:30] i did, and that's what matters, the world is a little more beautiful now [11:30] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:32] You know your distro has issues when tomcat running on windows on identical hardware is faster then RHEL [11:32] wow... good point [11:32] really though? [11:32] Yeah ... but we could never figure out what the bottle neck was on rhel [11:33] we were using a concursive tomcat app ( it is crm software ) both using postgres for database back end [11:33] misconfigured package more than likely [11:33] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [11:34] honestly... i've always hated the "newbie pushing" distros... i hated debian, i hated redhat, i hated suse, hated mandrake, and also can't stomach ubuntu... they're all the same when you look at their purpose, i guess my sentiments follow my beleif that less is more [11:34] ofbiz? [11:34] yeah i'd go with Necos' answer there copland-leopard [11:35] probably a misconfig [11:35] vastina: tomcat config was near identical [11:35] _Seff__ (n=chatzill@92.81.21.198) joined ##slackware. [11:35] oh... [11:35] except for tomcat on windows had config info for IIS and rhel was apache [11:35] could be different kernels [11:36] Action: vastina looks for the IIS exploit of the day [11:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) left irc: [11:36] Yeah well Slackware took care of all so all is well with the world [11:37] Though personally I think I might actually go with windows server over rhel [11:37] if I had to choose between the two [11:38] never thought i'd ever see such words spoken in a linux channel, balls copland, balls [11:38] can we even call RHEL , a linux distro [11:38] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:38] why wouldn't? [11:38] yeah... good point [11:38] wouldn't you * [11:38] monstro (i=1000@201-92-43-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:38] no I would call it a redhat distro [11:39] it uses the same linux kernel slackware does [11:39] thrice`: because it's a debauchery or anything linux [11:39] of* [11:39] it's a defilingn of the kernel [11:39] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:39] how so ? [11:39] As the old saying goes. You run redhat to learn redhat. You run slackware to learn linux [11:39] defiling... what's with my fingers this morning... [11:39] please, prove yourself to not be a troll [11:40] thrice`: do both use the linux kernel yes, are they equal no [11:40] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) joined ##slackware. [11:40] red hat is one of the leading contributors TO the linux kernel [11:40] thrice`: Redhat as a general rule often even with there RHEL product is an unstable mess [11:40] alot of the technology you use in slackware was probably added by red hat [11:40] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) left irc: Client Quit [11:40] thrice`: i can throw a cleveland 351 small block into a custom motor mount on a honda civic... would you call that a ford? [11:41] what the fuck are you talking about? [11:41] it's called an analogy [11:41] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] thrice`: I am not saying red hat does not contribute so does novell, and concial and many other companies. [11:42] But at times Redhat could beconsidered it own fork [11:42] really? how so [11:42] i know the linux kernel is in the redhat-homo-erotic-lame commercial operating system, but i wouldn't say the distribution is of any justice to the community, follow? [11:43] You dont do things the linux way you do things the redhat way ... It hard to explain until you administered redhat box [11:43] no, I don't. they also contribute a TON of stuff to both gnome, kde etc [11:44] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:44] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:45] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [11:46] ok lets put it this way I wrote a quick program to check software versions on machines. it queries a couple of apps and then reports back to the server the name of the machine processor load and software version. it works on almost every version of "linux" except on Redhat or redhat based distros [11:47] thrice`: as if we care, KDE and gnome are both bloat, and i was beginning to look up works to cite my statement, but i'll just humbly stop and say, i don't like the redhat interface, and their continual pushes to propietary code launched from open-source... i won't get into deep detail and because i don't feel like citing everything (being that i'm at work), i'll just drop it [11:47] now quit trying to argue FOR rhel, tool [11:47] thrice`: the FreeBSD team dumps alot of code into gnome and KDE but I dont see how that has anything to do with linux [11:48] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ok, gnome and kde are examples. red hat contributes a ton of stuff to the open source world, and claming they don't know how to make a distro is retarded [11:48] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] thrice`: so retarded that i don't use them! and fedora's a joke [11:48] yep [11:48] thrice`: I said they are not linux but there own fork [11:49] becuase there is the linux way and then there is the redhat way [11:49] linus uses fedora, by the way [11:49] _Seff__ (n=chatzill@92.81.21.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] There is nothing wrong with using redhat period. But as personal preference I will never call it linux [11:50] linus tests every distro thrice` [11:50] >.> [11:50] by personal choice, I will never look to you for anything useful [11:50] linus has been known to use all kinds of distros [11:50] no, he uses fedora [11:50] fair enough [11:51] thrice`: He use to use suse that does not mean much [11:51] Next thing you know I will be told by thrice` how OSX is really netbsd [11:51] exactly, this argument is pathetic... and thrice` , get bent on calling us trolls due to our distaste in a propeitary push of open-source [11:51] i started with RH4.2... back when it was a pita just to get your modem to work... [11:52] ok, anyway, you guys can stop, because I'm going to ignore both for being obvious trolls [11:52] get bent [11:52] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [11:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:52] _Seff_ (n=chatzill@92.80.13.130) left irc: Connection timed out [11:52] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] it's still linux... but the tools / setup is left to be desired [11:53] luxos (n=carlos@190.144.133.98) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Does OSX have BSD roots darn right it does but OSX is a twice removed fork of bsd. All I was saying was Redhat is starting to diverge from Linux. It still uses a Linux kernel but alot of customization that breaks standards have been done to it [11:54] pepperjack (n=happy@h254.254.90.75.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] copland-leopard: but linux _IS_ the kernel... everything else is an exercise left for the reader [11:55] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] and for the record i never said RHEL is not linux... i said it's a debauchery, their tools fall outside my palate, that was my point. Never said it forked off o diverged from being linux [11:55] como desinstalo na aplicacion en slackware [11:55] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] i hate RH as much as the next guy, but that's just because they've decided to not follow standards in presentation [11:55] and really, they have a right to [11:55] luxos: en ingles amigo [11:56] Necos: but the common person is not going to separate the kernel from the whole body of work [11:56] Necos: absolutely right, they can do as they damn please, i was expressing my distaste in their work [11:56] copland-leopard: but the same would happen if you sat a person using XP in front of server 2k3 =p [11:56] ok, if you don't want to examine the kernel or linus, what about the glibc and gcc guys, who are mainly funded by red hat? [11:56] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:57] alexfranci_libre (n=alexfran@gisella.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Necos: Yes but scripting and standardize programs would work the same in xp and 2k3 [11:57] Nick change: alexfranci_libre -> aleeexfranci [11:57] thrice`: heh, and actually RH funds a lot of stuff for SELinux [11:57] thrice`: that's funding... ok thanks for the cash, we still don't like what redhat produces as an "OS" [11:57] aleeexfranci (n=alexfran@gisella.cs.unibo.it) left ##slackware. [11:57] I mean, funding people to WORK on them [11:58] and thrice` getting so sensitive as to call people in this channel trolls? please [11:58] vastina: I'd like you to actually name a few of their features that are not in other distros [11:58] luxos (n=carlos@190.144.133.98) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:58] See this is what happens when slackware just works we get off in these side rants [11:58] >.> [11:58] or specific forks that have bastardized their distro in you rmind [11:58] thrice`: haven't used it in ages, last time i used a redhat was in 1998, and was prompty removed 20minutes later [11:59] ok, just wanted to confirm you have no fucking clue about anything to which you are preaching [11:59] thrice`: the push for propietary code, google it, trust you'll find results [11:59] thrice`: you're pushing the wrong buttons kid [11:59] thrice`: you apparently like redhat great fine but alot of people dont and there not trolls because they think it does not conform to standards and they think it a big steaming pile of poo [12:00] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Action: vastina thinks thrice` should just join a redhat channel and shut up [12:00] actually, it's scary that some of the hiearchy standards from various RH releases have become standards in other distros [12:01] Necos: tonnes of redhat spinoffs is the case there [12:01] Necos: well that my point when I call RH more of a fork of linux as a whole (not kernel) [12:02] linux *is* only the kernel [12:02] oh give it up [12:02] seriously [12:02] There is the linux kernel and then there is what is know as linux as a whole [12:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Man [12:02] If I have to hear this "argument" again [12:03] >:| [12:03] FMDCH: exactly, not much of an arguement is it? just opinions and some kid getting pissy and cursing and namecalling [12:03] Action: thrice` blushes [12:04] Just use the software [12:04] thank you, i'll second that [12:04] FMDCH: let's not, and say we did... [12:04] =p [12:04] for file in {pot,kettle}; do echo "black"; done [12:04] haha [12:04] Heh [12:04] The kernel is nothing with out the 200+ sub programs needed to make it do basic task [12:04] That's what the majority of the yackers do, ain't it? [12:05] BP{k}: too complex for said individuals to comprehend, I fear [12:05] FMDCH: yep... i just got caught up in this one, once the name-calling hit [12:05] haha [12:05] BP{k}: good analogy [12:06] vastina: YOU were the one insulting red hat, btw [12:06] omg get over that your redhat feelings got hurt. [12:06] thrice`: but did i say it's not linux? tell me, did i say that once? [12:06] no, copland-leopard did =p [12:07] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:07] Let's discuss something we can all agree on [12:07] Like how great vaginas are [12:07] AGREED [12:07] I dont considering linux i consider it some bastardize frankenstien monster [12:07] Action: vastina watches eat, pray, and queef again [12:07] 11:20 < vastina> you are not l33t if you use RHEL, in fact you're supported and probably mentally challenged [12:07] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: Excess Flood [12:07] thrice`: and? [12:07] thrice`: just move on [12:08] this kid is getting so hurt about redhat, it's ludicrous [12:08] Ok. ATI drivers offically suck [12:08] officially? where the hell have you been? [12:08] the fact that you call me a kid is quite funny, and proves that you've been in this channel for about 1 hour [12:08] thrice`: drop it, kid. [12:08] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host128-28-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "brb" [12:09] childeren, ya'll play nice together now, ya hear! :P [12:09] further, insulting people (especially regular contributors) is an excellent way to get banned [12:09] yht (n=yht@114.121.42.110) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Necos: using nvidia for so long that i have not had to use ati in ages. I knew everyone bitched about ati drivers but I never knew they were this bad [12:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a17ebe2a778f0e22) left irc: [12:09] vastina, chill out man... you're getting out of hand [12:09] alot of people dont remember when redhat was THE distro. no reason for someone with years of exp with redhat to switch distros when it has so much enterprise stuff [12:09] copland-leopard: yeah, ATI writes some shotty stuff, it's hit or miss [12:09] telling him to drop it [12:09] simple enough [12:10] so, hey, you guys ever heard of this distro called "Slackwars"? ;) [12:10] lol [12:10] BP{k}, not until now ;) [12:10] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.87.146) joined ##slackware. [12:10] vastina: yeah I had this windows box that I decided to repurpose as a htpc and it has an ati card in it I might have to go out and buy nvidia just to make the pain stop [12:10] if that gets me banned so be it, don't feel like being called a troll by some redhat sympathiser [12:10] I don't like red hat's distro at all [12:11] copland-leopard: just use radeonhd =p [12:11] I think its well put together, and serves its purpose very well, but dont' use it personally [12:11] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] I liked it when I tried it [12:11] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.87.146) joined ##slackware. [12:11] thrice`: cool, that's your opinion, i stated mine which made you get pissy [12:11] vastina: best thing to do is let thrice` go on his rant . He is a regular who often rants worst then I do [12:11] who cares beyond that [12:11] Zordrak: ping [12:12] ok, I'm leaving. [12:12] copland-leopard: yeah, moving on [12:12] no stay buddy [12:12] i'm sorry ok? [12:12] i mean it, drop it, and let's move on [12:12] Necos: I will have to try that out [12:13] i love linux, that's why i'm here, slackware is my LINUX distro of choice although i'm a BSD guy... let's talk, exchange ideas and enjoy eachother's presence here [12:13] I think it got my settings to be stable. and now that linux i not trying to use the audio drivers for my video card sound is working [12:13] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] Has anyone gotten this HDA drivers for video cards working I cant get any sound to come out via my tv [12:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:15] copland-leopard, you got video out going into TV and no sound? [12:15] yeah . [12:15] hdmi from the computer to the tv [12:15] try audio out from sound card? [12:15] oh it works from my SB Live Plat card [12:16] firebird619: welcome back man... have a quick question for you [12:16] But not the ATI HD Audio that linux installs drivers for [12:16] Hey vastina. How's it going? What's the question? [12:16] not bad man, the 619 in your nick, is that san diego? [12:16] i could be off, but i made me curious the other day [12:17] dunno then. I have a separate sound card routed to TV, plus S-Video out in it too [12:17] s/i/it* [12:17] I mean I know it works in windows but in linux it sees the audio controler on the the ati card and gives me a mixer for it and it but it does not work [12:18] vastina: Yes, it is, but I just come up with the nick one day, so in my case, the 619 doesn't really specify anything. [12:18] all the ati cards marked HD have intergrated audio processing on the video card for outputting to tvs [12:18] via HDMI cable [12:18] firebird619: no, reason i ask is because i had a buddy from efnet with that sn [12:19] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] vastina: Ah, ok. [12:19] mine are easy it always copland- [12:19] that way I can remember which keyboard to type on [12:20] haha [12:20] copland-leopard: So why aren't you copland-slackware right now? :P [12:20] because I am on my macbook [12:20] good question actually :) [12:20] haha [12:20] haha [12:20] Question: I installed an ATI Radeon 4670 video card, and the HDMI sound is now my default, even though I have the onboard sound turned on. How do I switch ALSA to the onboard? [12:21] you should have card0 and card1... alsactl can set them IIRC (set the default) [12:21] Hi Necos. How's it going? [12:21] usually when I am on my slackware box it just called copland which is my registered nic [12:21] becominginsane (n=shpongle@189.26.2.105.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:22] nvision (n=nvision@g229072141.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:22] heya firebird619... i'm damn sleepy... 4 hr linear algebra exam last night [12:22] and before it confused it pronounced cope-land not cop-land. [12:23] so, copland is your surname? [12:23] Necos, how did it go? [12:23] no [12:23] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:23] you like cops then? [12:23] echo Hello, world! [12:23] Copland is just the name of an apple project [12:23] oh ok, didn't know that [12:23] Hey l4m4_m4n. How's it going> [12:24] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:24] s/>/? [12:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] cops are fine. its feds you have to watch out for :) [12:24] copland was supposed to be Mac OS 8 with a unix kernel [12:24] has anybody idea how to make live cd from system thats already installed on my computer?? [12:24] pepperjack: haha i don't mind any of them, so long as they do their job correctly, the problem is the politicians [12:25] copland-leopard: i see... [12:25] firebird619: It is going very good. How are you? [12:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] Bugz, http://pastebin.ca/1401072 <- this is how I define cards in alsa. [12:25] konus_: there are a couple tools out there I just cant think of it right now I use to use them all the time [12:25] i asked this yesterday without reply... anyone have any experience with slackware and truecrypt? [12:25] l4m4_m4n: I'm doing great. Thank you. [12:26] copland-leopard k i dont search google yet :> so i'll find [12:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:26] vastina, nope... but if you're using a ramdisk, it should work just fine [12:26] i think so :P [12:26] caio (n=caio@200.2.124.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:26] becominginsane (n=shpongle@189.26.2.105.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "  [www.t7ds.com.br]" [12:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copland_(operating_system) [12:28] Necos: appreciate the first reply to that ever man! [12:28] got it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872 [12:29] http://allforlinux.blogspot.com/2008/09/fast-way-to-install-ubuntu-inside-usb.html [12:29] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) joined ##slackware. [12:31] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [12:32] alright my friends, off to grub a little [12:32] speak soon [12:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] word [12:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] Necos, how did the exam go? Think you did well? [12:40] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:40] four hours is a hell of a long one [12:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Action: thrice` has sat through an 8 hour before :( [12:41] ! [12:42] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] thrice`: what coursework? [12:42] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [12:42] mechanical engineering [12:42] thrice`: and you spent 8 hours in an exam? [12:43] yep, a fundamentals of engineering exam. used to qualify yourself as a "professional engineer" [12:43] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.87.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:44] Action: vastina was lucky enough to never have any exam close to that length of time in his bioengineering coursework [12:44] that's beyond exasperating [12:44] it could be hard to have sex that long, and sex is much more enjoyable [12:44] well, it's not anything to do with the college, but an "optional" addition one can get [12:44] Soul_keeper: good one! [12:44] haha [12:45] :) [12:46] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.87.146) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:46] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.87.146) joined ##slackware. [12:46] thrice`: poinless to get your EE or ME or whatever and not get your PE [12:47] its the cherry on top too =) [12:47] hopefully :) I am still in the EiT stage [12:47] but the FE was brutally long [12:48] i said screw a BS and got an AS...was for the better I hate computers now lol [12:49] when i went for my PE, I don't remember any exam taking longer than 2.5-3 hours [12:49] but, everywhere is different, what part of the world are you in thrice`? [12:49] the US [12:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] the process to get a PE is to take the FE exam, work 5 years under another PE, and then take another 8 hour exam [12:50] (this is all after college) [12:50] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.87.146) joined ##slackware. [12:50] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:56] what's PE? [12:56] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [12:57] oh nm [12:57] professional engineer.... sounds serious. [12:57] up until you're a PE, a PE has to sign off on your stuff, right? [12:59] strange title. all engineers are professional, it seems. [12:59] except the ones who build bridges that fall down [13:00] also can be petroleum engineer if I remember correctly [13:00] PTE =D [13:00] ah that's right [13:00] penis extended [13:00] penis extender rather [13:00] Putain Expérimentée [13:00] (I'll let you translate that) [13:01] professional adds a little more. like allowing you to testify in court for companies in product liability stuff, etc [13:01] thrice`: so, there is such a title as "professional engineer"? [13:02] yes, definitely [13:02] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:02] so, even though I have a B.S. in engineering and have an engineering job, I'm not yet a PE [13:02] Does anyone uses GStreamer here??? [13:02] I need a little advice, plz! [13:02] Jsonic: not really slackware specific [13:02] I would say about 15-25% go on to get their P.E. [13:03] Anakin- (n=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:03] mainly used to rip people off down the line consulting :> [13:04] probably a pay increase along with that title [13:04] wow [13:04] hopefully :) [13:04] I possess an Incorporated Engineer qualification from the engineering counsil UK.... I thought that was PE, but I'm wrong... looking more into this and a bit intrigued even though I don't do Bioengineering much anymore [13:04] spook, Im trying to compile a program called gst_edit [13:04] there are some higher-up jobs, too, that will only consider you if you've gone on to get your PE [13:04] counsel* [13:04] Jsonic: no thanks. [13:05] ok [13:05] no bother [13:05] ;o) [13:05] Jsonic: any errors ? [13:05] Yep... [13:05] thrice`: the whole (PE) process takes roughly 5 years?! yikes! [13:05] sadly :) [13:05] ./ configure says checking for gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.7.1... checking for gstreamer-0.7 >= 0.7.1... configure: error: No GStreamer development libraries found [13:06] here, a bachelor of engineering is 4 years. [13:06] antler: you're from uk, right? [13:06] Action: Soul_keeper has a certificate of computation from the university of california for seti@home [13:06] Jsonic: very simple to see whats wrong. [13:06] vastina: canader. [13:06] I know what is wrong [13:06] that's right, keep screwing that up [13:06] I dunno how to fix it. [13:06] Jsonic: lol. [13:06] Soul_keeper, what?? You can get a cert for running seti@home? [13:06] I hav those libraries [13:06] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:06] Jsonic: on slackware 12.2 ? [13:07] I dunno how to point to them. [13:07] Jsonic: ./configure doesnt think you do. [13:07] Yes [13:07] HINT HINT HINT [13:07] Soul_keeper: think of the carbon footprint you left to achieve that. you should be ashamed ;p [13:07] 12.2 [13:07] Jsonic: HIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTT./configure doesnt think you do. [13:07] I want one :< [13:07] Action: vastina possesses a B.A.Sc (hons) Bioengineering from Imperial College, did a load of my pre-req work at University of Colorado, Boulder [13:08] Ok.. I dunno .. lolol [13:08] Jsonic: configure --help and thats all i'm going to help you with [13:08] so, bsc. eng. = 4 years (normal). pe = another 5. so, PE = 9 years. contrast psychiatry = 11 years (normal); phd = 10 (normal) [13:08] vastina: school of mines? [13:08] thrice`: no, CU Boulder [13:08] haha [13:08] that's nuts [13:09] school of mines is in Golden, next to Boulder [13:09] wishi went to Mines [13:09] haha [13:09] antler: yes, but the 5 years for PE isn't constant academic. I take an exam, work for 5 years, and then take another exam [13:09] I tryed already, Im using ./configure LIB=/ and pointing to my libs, and I get problems with gcc libs... [13:09] my uni's BE is 4 year, with compulsory honours year (the 4th year) [13:09] met some WEIRD people from the school of mines when i was in ROTC [13:09] I dunno how to specify just those libraries [13:09] Jsonic: you're doing it wrong [13:09] hum [13:09] read what i said. [13:09] Ill check that again [13:09] if you dont i'll just start abusing you. [13:10] lol [13:10] thrice`: yeah, true. that's much better imo. :) [13:11] thrice`: isn't the PE every 7 years? [13:11] my boss, though, has his BS, masters, PhD, *and* PE :> [13:12] my qualifications were finished in the UK, then I came back to the US side, when i was working for a couple pharma companies didn't cross my mind to obtain a PE [13:12] The problems is, Im following what the README says in the package.... [13:12] Jsonic: thats your first problem. [13:12] never read the readme. [13:12] its a trick aimed at people like you [13:12] spook: haha [13:12] lolol [13:13] thrice`: pm? [13:13] sorry, about to run to a meeting for a bit [13:13] find the source file and just gcc source.c -o program [13:14] have fun :) [13:14] dont use any of that new fangled configure and makefile garbage [13:14] guess i'll pm you when you get back [13:14] I was hoping people like you spook could be nice and gimme some help...! Its hard when you dont spend like 8 hours day trying to understand slackware! ;O) [13:14] I didnt find any .tgz [13:14] this isnt slackware specific [13:15] this is building obscure programs 101 [13:15] Jsonic: we all went through what you're enduring, just relax, take the subtle insults like a grain of salt and learn [13:15] Lol [13:15] dont just look for .tgz EVER [13:16] use slackbuilds.org [13:16] Im not even overreacting ... it was just a little quote ;O) [13:16] Don't listen to spook [13:16] lol [13:16] i trust alienBOB on that one [13:16] :) [13:16] in alienBOB we Trust? [13:16] alienBOB: oh come on, this guy needs it hammered in to him [13:16] yeah, how about no [13:16] Right on my son [13:16] god knows i dont have the drunken patience [13:17] spook: not the way you are hammering it [13:17] yeah fair call gov' [13:18] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Action: vastina laughs [13:18] Action: Necos stabs spook for kicks [13:19] Action: spook throws an empty rum bottle at Necos [13:19] Action: vastina hands spook a cuppa, easy mate [13:19] plenty more where that came from [13:19] oh, how fun a role play [13:19] frullet: it always is... [13:20] Action: spook pirates up the cuppa [13:20] maybe later we can braid each others hair and kiss.. [13:20] frullet: you fit? [13:20] :) [13:21] im the bees knees [13:21] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host5-74-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:21] frullet: need a hole and two bumps to please [13:21] nyao~ [13:22] Nick change: frullet -> frullet|afk [13:22] Necos: are you a japanese cat? [13:23] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [13:24] i'm learning fa today in here, this is like watching butters and that little ginger shit role-play charlie's angels with stan [13:24] no, i'm just expressing my need to fornicate a japanese woman >.> [13:24] rum rum yummy in my tummy [13:24] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn102.78-99-61.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:25] vastina: if you want to learn, this is the last place to be [13:25] Necos: you say that by like... [13:26] spook: i've learnt that the second day here, just fun to socialise i guess [13:26] watashi to sekusu o shita hougaiidesu [13:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:26] Necos: 'you should have sex with me' [13:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:26] as in a suggestion. not a question. [13:27] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:27] japanese is an awesome language [13:28] hahahahaha [13:29] i just read the backlog [13:29] hou ga ii desu <---- how formal of you lol [13:30] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [13:30] nvision (n=nvision@g229072141.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:30] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.148) joined ##slackware. [13:30] you need to be more rugged in your approach to sex up a japanese woman... [13:31] shaawa de shiyou [13:31] "let's do it in the shower" [13:31] ^_~ [13:32] Necos, are you getting me japanese women? [13:33] how is improved the japanese nanotechnology between today and 3 years ago? [13:33] Necos: if so, please put her in a school uniform and have her wear black-rimmed glasses. [13:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) joined ##slackware. [13:34] antler, agreed [13:34] antler: OH YEAH! [13:34] :D [13:34] Action: dive drools ever so slightly [13:34] lol [13:34] I better not [13:35] lol [13:35] antler: wtf [13:35] lol [13:36] Action: edman007 stabs Necos [13:36] follow orders! [13:36] lol [13:36] sooner, there will be japanese marine cars to across seas [13:36] damn! [13:36] edman007: you bastard... i was trying to think before you prodded me with that damn blade [13:37] Necos, why are there no japanese school girls stripping in my room? [13:38] because you stabbed me you ass [13:38] Action: Necos continues to bleed [13:38] Action: edman007 stabs Necos some more [13:39] you know what you need to do to make it stop [13:40] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] Action: Necos dies [13:41] i rather go to hell than help edman007 pick up japanese women [13:41] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-86-101-6-3.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [13:42] noo [13:42] now i must kill your undead body [13:42] Damn horde [13:42] Action: dive gets thw spades [13:42] Action: dive digs a large hole out back [13:43] statistically, in every japanese highschool, there is at least 1 girl who has sex for money. [13:43] Action: edman007 hands dive a heavy bloody garbage bag [13:43] no room outside, let's just sling him in #ubuntu [13:43] also, shiyou is less strong than hougaii [13:43] spook, how big are japanese highschools? [13:44] edman007: depends on distance between them and population density, age demographics, like in every country. [13:44] highschool is... 9-12 iirc [13:44] spook, yes...but on average...i need to determine what percentage of girls are like that [13:45] edman007: i have no idea. [13:45] you'll just have to go to every highschool in japan, and count the girls. [13:45] hmmm [13:45] and do inspections to make sure they arent boys crossdressing. [13:46] Action: edman007 's mind wanders deep into the gutter [13:46] hahahaha [13:46] Necos: you should use imperative form if you want it to be an order [13:47] it's an invitation (purposely) [13:47] oh. [13:47] Action: edman007 invites himself [13:47] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [13:48] but in regular speech, it'd be considered an order ;) [13:48] Necos: oh fuck you and using japanese indirectness [13:48] lol [13:48] Action: edman007 hands spook a shotgun [13:49] you gotta use the culture to your advantage ;) [13:49] edman007: a girl saying gee that movie looks interesting means you have to take her to see for the movie, and pay for it. [13:50] yea... [13:50] thats how retarded it is. [13:50] i'm hungry. [13:51] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] lol [13:51] does rworkman's wife make house calls? [13:51] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.27) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Action: Necos wonders when the +b *spook*@* is coming [13:51] (shes a registered nurse) [13:52] Anakin- (n=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [13:52] but but, i'm a regular! [13:52] fuck you and english indirectness [13:52] lol [13:52] kisama! [13:52] LOL [13:52] saitei.... [13:52] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn102.78-99-61.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn178.91-127-195.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Necos: spook's not the only english regular in here, mind [13:53] i am thoroughly entertained [13:53] vastina: read backlog for reference [13:53] Necos: aye [13:54] English as in british [13:54] oh... the jap stuff [13:54] lol [13:54] yes [13:54] To all the brits I like to apologize for my stupid president [13:54] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Necos: nan nen kan kara nihongo wo hanashimasuka [13:55] copland-leopard: as a dual national english-american, i resent your comment [13:55] though thats probally gibberish. [13:55] I find obama to be an embarassment [13:56] though i'd rather be neutered than support obama [13:56] yeah, but why are you apologising, nancy... [13:56] did you see what he gave Gordon Brown [13:56] it was embarassing [13:56] i'm not sure how, but sadam and osama had a black baby whos now president << some americans seriously must believe that, right? [13:56] did you see gordon brown himself? [13:56] embarassing [13:57] spook, you're asking me how long i've been speaking japanesee? [13:57] how about andy burnham... [13:57] *cough* [13:57] Necos: that was my intention yes [13:57] Yeah I have been within feet of him [13:57] spook: hahaha, just caught that man [13:57] kind of an odd way of asking >.> [13:58] Necos: its the only way my rum addled brain could come up with [13:58] nan nen gurai hanashimasu ka [13:58] spook: ease off the rum you muppet [13:58] haha [13:58] But no I been to functions where Gordon was speaking [13:58] nan nen gurai hanasemasu ka (better) [13:58] Action: spook throws an empty rum bottle at vastina [13:59] Action: vastina catches it and takes a swig [13:59] cheers spook [13:59] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-86-101-6-3.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [13:59] "about how long have you been able to speak" [13:59] they are moving each other the gold instead of the paper money. [13:59] its empty you muppet [13:59] that air was nice tasting [13:59] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:59] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-231.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Necos: isnt that deku [13:59] copland-leopard: truth is, any president that was elected would be an embarassment... [13:59] well americans dont give out gold we give out black gold [13:59] vastina: plently more empty bottles to throw. [13:59] bush left things fucked up [14:00] patriot act. [14:00] spook: what variety? [14:00] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] vastina: scotch, bourbon, rum [14:01] and just for the record, both choices this time around weren't very good [14:01] spook: what grain? i personally love the flavour of a nice islay cask [14:01] vastina: what the [14:01] spook: bowmore... good scotch [14:01] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.225) joined ##slackware. [14:01] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-39.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Necos: jyunen kan gurai hanashite dekimasu i think [14:02] spook: was asking you what cingle malt grain you prefer [14:02] single* [14:02] black douglas [14:02] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.27) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] vastina: laphroaig [14:03] hehehe good enough spook [14:03] BP{k}: good call [14:03] BP{k}: aged? [14:03] dou shite benkyou shimashita ka? [14:03] i will trade petro dollars for gold [14:04] Necos: i'm past the ballmer curve of japanese language ability, atm. [14:04] vastina: standard 10 Y.O. [14:04] hahahaha [14:04] word [14:04] Necos: nihonjin no onna wa kakkou ii desuyo! [14:05] BP{k}: saw some 15 and 20yr here at a specialist shop in Colorado Springs [14:05] that makes no sense lol [14:05] vastina: sweet. I definatly prefer the islay malts :) [14:05] BP{k}: good man, likewise [14:05] i only drink scotch when i'm out of rum. [14:06] cause you're a scrummy pirate [14:06] scrummy? [14:06] i'm actually a ninja [14:07] but thats a story for another day. [14:07] zlizyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] anyone ever comes to perth, australia, stop on by. [14:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-231.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [14:09] vastina: probably my next bottle: I am going either for a Lagavulin or I might see if I can get my hands on an Ardbeg [14:09] BP{k}: i honestly find bowmore to be a great staple [14:09] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:10] I like my to work my way around ;) [14:10] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Distilleries_Islay.png ;) [14:10] BP{k}: :) [14:11] dive: honestly, don't know why i chose scrummy... probably because of the childishness [14:11] other than that, no clue [14:11] i'm hungry [14:11] ok [14:12] i feel like a kebab [14:12] but last like i felt like a kebab, i had nandos and it was a million times better [14:13] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-36.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] you feel like a kebab? [14:13] Action: vastina misses nando's chicken [14:13] skewered? [14:13] BP{k}: ... [14:13] all we have out here is some kentucky friend... maybe chicken? [14:13] bad joke much [14:14] spook: overnight me some nando's [14:14] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] vastina: that breaks several international laws/treaties [14:15] spook: i have an importer's licence, no lie actually [14:15] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [14:15] but that's for beer... [14:15] I thought kentuchky fried rats based on that youtube video [14:15] helps if I could type today [14:15] anyway... bbiab [14:15] Kentucky [14:15] vastina: pay for the cost and i'll ship you several kilos of nandos [14:16] i want a kilo! [14:16] oh wait.. chicken? ... nm [14:16] i_is_cat: nyaa~ [14:16] hehehe [14:19] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn178.91-127-195.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] qneo (n=knao@adsl-d120.84-47-79.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[14:35] weird.. i installed digikam with sbopkg and cant seem to find the command to launch it anywhere.. [14:37] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Connection timed out [14:38] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d8152cd.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:38] heyho [14:39] hello [14:39] just theoretically: could I restart the updated udev without rebooting? [14:39] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h92n2c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-86.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:39] I think this will work, but wait for someone else to confirm, but /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart. [14:41] wakeup: ^^^ [14:43] nille_ (n=nille@c-d92772d5.36-62-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:44] /etc/rc.d/rc.udev reload [14:44] Oh, it's reload? [14:45] oh wait. "could I restart the updated udev without rebooting".. did you upgrade udev to a new version, or just update the rules? [14:46] reload would be for when you've changed the rules [14:46] I think he means after updating udev. [14:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421882.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:47] to my mind, "updating udev" is ambiguous. Could mean "upgrade the udev package to a new version" or just "changed some udev rules" [14:47] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [14:47] Yeah, he needs to explain better I think. :) [14:47] possibly because I'm trying to think and make sense before my 1st cup of coffee [14:47] brb [14:48] I got dvd::rip to work [14:48] Hey thumbs. How's it going? What was wrong with dvd::rip? [14:48] Action: edman007 wonders how long it is going to take to compress 1TB of /dev/zero [14:49] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-41-136.50-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [14:49] edman007: a long time, but it's worth it: it'll compress down by a factor of a million or so :) [14:53] it'll be 1 zero [14:53] lol [14:53] firebird619: good. [14:53] Urchlay, i think its going pretty fast, i'm using pbzip2 [14:53] here's a random question... [14:53] the .bz2 is up to 8MB right now [14:53] Necos, no [14:53] firebird619: I had stuff compiled in /usr/local, which screwed up the linking, and I ended up recompiling 40+ packages from sbo [14:53] if you set a resource in .Xresources, do the command line args for a program override it? [14:53] firebird619: it was segfaulting, and other things [14:53] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [14:53] Necos, i'm still waiting for the Japanese girl(s) [14:53] thumbs: 40+, ouch. did that take a while? :) [14:53] edman007: told ya, hell first [14:53] =p [14:53] then hell it is [14:53] firebird619: a day. [14:53] Action: edman007 shoots Necos [14:53] Action: Necos dies [14:53] \o/ [14:53] firebird619: I compiled all the dependencies in order, too. An exercise of patience. [14:53] thumbs: Well, that isn't so bad. Could have been longer. [14:53] Action: edman007 resurrects Necos [14:53] alright, you went to hell [14:53] but, back to my question [14:53] now, do as you said [14:53] =p [14:53] edman007: wow, you can resurrect people? [14:53] sixx (n=sixx@host86-163-135-206.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] firebird619: I had forgotten that libdvdread had a sbo package, and I had kept the stock package from Pat [14:53] anyone recomend a gui firewall for slackware [14:53] no [14:53] sixx: none [14:53] firebird619, yea...i got this cool skin cream from the umbrella corporation, stick a little on them and they are like new [14:53] lol [14:53] haha [14:53] nice [14:53] sixx (n=sixx@host86-163-135-206.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] firebird619: specifically, there is a fork of libdvdread, and it works MUCH better [14:54] thumbs: cool. I've never used dvd::rip before. [14:54] heard of it though. [14:55] it's a great app, when set up properly. [14:55] *g* [14:56] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [14:57] mikk0 (i=mikk01@YMMMCXXXIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:57] dvdbackup + k9copy has worked for most stuff so far [14:58] thumbs: Pat's libdvdread in -current is the same as the one on SBo, no? [14:58] pprkut: yes, but I am on 12.2 :) [14:59] ah, I see :) [14:59] I don't care to move to -current yet. [14:59] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] Necos: normally command line args override .Xresources [15:01] I suppose someone could write an app that doesn't work that way [15:01] trying to get urxvt to invert the video of vim and emacs... but it's not behaving [15:01] Nick change: razel -> rpg [15:01] Nick change: rpg -> Guest49532 [15:02] hm, invert the video only when vim or emacs are running? must be one of those fancy uxrvt features :) [15:02] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] did you "xrdb -merge .Xresources" after editing it? [15:02] Nick change: Guest49532 -> razel [15:02] Necos: why do you want that? [15:02] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: "Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye" [15:02] why not just :set bg=dark in vim? [15:02] (assuming readability is the issue) [15:03] oh no, i want the .Xresources to be used for certain urxvt instances, but want to override them on the command line when using vim and/or emacs in term [15:03] *for all other instances [15:03] fred: he's one of those strange souls who runs both vim and emacs, it's probably best not to try to understand :) [15:03] lol [15:04] i use emacs more often, but vim is equally as useful [15:04] Necos: err. .Xresources and CLI options only apply when starting a new instance of your app [15:04] (the terminal app I mean, not the apps that run inside it) [15:04] yeah, i know that =p [15:05] how are you launching vim/emacs? just type "vim" inside an existing urxvt? [15:05] inside of a urxvt with -bg / -fg options [15:06] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.248) joined ##slackware. [15:06] the -bg/-fg options are given to the urxvt? "vim -bg black -fg white" won't work of course [15:06] I HATE drivers in america overall... some decent cities, but overall, no ta [15:06] <_RadioHead> evening ##slackware [15:06] cor, fuckin blind me [15:06] urxvt -bg black -fg white -e vim [15:06] Necos: that would definitely work, if you were using xterm or plain rxvt [15:07] I don't know urxvt, so I dunno what's wrong :( [15:07] Urchlay: it's all about vi/vim, don't think i'll ever follow emacs [15:07] vastina: I [15:07] er. [15:08] I'm a vim fan, myself... [15:08] i like joe or zed [15:08] emacs, i don't know, not saying it's bad, just don't like it [15:08] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] i've been doing vi... hell i can't remember, that's how long [15:09] I don't know enough about emacs to hate it, I just haven't been interested enough to learn it properly [15:09] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) joined ##slackware. [15:09] hell i use pico :D [15:09] Urchlay: my sentiments exactly [15:09] pico is pretty cool [15:09] here we go, next one is going to say they like nano [15:09] if they both like pico, they'd both like nano (basically the same thing, no?) [15:10] Urchlay: pretty much [15:10] lol i am just shittin yea guys. i have not used pico since 2000 maybe [15:11] just us vi. tried vim a few times. but just stoook with vi [15:11] lotec: which vi? the /usr/bin/vi in slackware? [15:11] Action: vastina starts to think about all the stupid conversations he starts in here... [15:11] sorry alienBOB [15:12] cause slackware's standard vi is actually elvis [15:12] vastina: nobody's flaming anybody (at least not yet) [15:12] not in just slackware but i use vi at work for redhat. and in our old slack boxes at work. and at home. and on my mac i use VI [15:12] Urchlay: yeah, it's a weird calm [15:12] using vim is pimp; using vi is nuts! [15:13] elvis has exactly one feature that vim lacks, that I use it for: it can act as a hex editor [15:13] Kaapa: interesting description [15:13] i use vim on slack, use vi on openbsd [15:13] then i use hexdump, or od [15:13] lotec: AFAIK, the vi on redhat is "vim-minimal", vim with most of the fancy features not included [15:13] I use vim everyone [15:13] hum. now i have never tried to do a hex edit with elvis. [15:14] but pure vi is... painful [15:14] "elvis -b filename" to make it come up in hex editor mode [15:14] Action: vastina drops off this conversation here [15:14] Urchlay: ill have to give that a try. just never need a hex editor. thanks of the info though [15:15] Kaapa: "pure vi" is finally open source now :) [15:15] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [15:15] http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net/ [15:15] Action: vastina uses his brain.... very poorly [15:15] I agree though, compared to vim it's painful to use [15:16] why because you can't see "Command, and Insert" in the lower right? [15:16] no, because it doesn't support multiple buffers, color syntax highlight, or much in the way of scripting [15:17] it's a true proponent of KISS [15:17] ...or tab completion of words while in insert mode [15:17] Urchlay: next thing you'll find yourself as the floating fat-man in dune [15:17] right. And if I were going to port a vi to a tiny little system, it wouldn't be vim :) [15:17] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:18] hello slackers, have anyone of you gotten OpenVPN to run on you 12.x systems? [15:18] vastina: "He who controls the spice controls the universe!" [15:18] nullboy: welcome back [15:18] Stutteringmatt: yes [15:18] Urchlay: :) nice [15:18] hello! [15:18] straterra: you have? [15:18] Yes.. [15:19] Stutteringmatt: you using vi/vim/pico/elvis [15:19] i've had it working too [15:19] lotec: vim [15:19] straterra: did you use any .tgz package or did you just download the source [15:20] Just compiled it [15:20] but slackware comes with openvpn these days [15:20] simple ./configure make && make install ? [15:21] Stutteringmatt: what slackware version are you on? [15:21] 12.2 [15:21] you can just install openvpn from your install CD/DVD or the slackware ftp site [15:21] oh [15:22] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/n/openvpn-2.0.9-i486-1.tgz [15:22] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) left irc: "get it get it get it? you just don't get it!!!" [15:22] thank you [15:22] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] the advantage of using the prebuilt package would be, if it breaks, you won't get told "you must have compiled it wrong!" :) [15:23] in theese times with the swedish anti-piracy law and the personalized gestapo style surveilence I feel that I must try to stay hidden [15:23] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.164.77) joined ##slackware. [15:25] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [15:25] but Urchlay, you think it'll do any harm to compile it myself? [15:25] Urchlay: urxvt is pretty much the same as rxvt =p [15:25] so, in theory, the same options should work [15:27] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] Stutteringmatt: only if you do it wrong [15:28] eh? [15:29] Stutteringmatt: why do you think compiling yourself is any different than using a slackbuild? [15:29] i withdraw my statement :) [15:29] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] Stutteringmatt: did not work. still on my screen [15:30] =p [15:31] some programs, the slackware version might be built without some option that you desperately need, but that's a pretty rare thing [15:31] and if it happens, you're better off editing the slackbuild script and using that to compile a tgz package [15:32] so you change an option in the slackbuild [15:32] yep [15:32] Urchlay: my point exactly ^_^ [15:32] Necos: if you would of put TA DA at the end of that i would of called you King [15:33] it's not too late [15:33] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:42] How do I get Firefox to select the New Folder I just created as a location to download files? [15:42] It used to do this automatically. [15:42] Shingoshi: You mean, no matter what, it downloads to that location and doesn't ask you? [15:42] Shingoshi: go into Option [15:42] s [15:43] make sure you are on "Main" [15:43] Then look at the Downloads sub-section [15:43] its pretty cut and dry on how to do it [15:43] hrmm [15:43] No. I mean when I create the folder manually. [15:43] Shingoshi: Do you want it to ask you where to save files everytime or just automatically download to one specific folder? [15:43] Ok I forgot about that. I must have accidently changed it. [15:43] Action: Dominian nods [15:44] Let me look now and see. [15:44] I have it ask me everytime [15:44] Shingoshi: Edit, Preferences, Main, Downloads Section. [15:44] Look there, it should help you with what your doing. :) [15:44] Dominian: I use opera, but I have it ask too, I don't want everything going to the same place. [15:45] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] Ok. I have it set to ask every time. But it doesn't switch to that folder automatically once I've created it. [15:46] It used to be, that once I created the new folder, and pressed ENTER, the folder was automatically selected, and the file was put there. [15:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Now, I have to manually select the folder, after it's been created. [15:47] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [15:48] It's just annoying. Because it's one more step I have to take for each download. [15:49] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [15:49] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:49] I'm trying to find if I have an extension that's interfering with this. [15:49] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-43-57-9.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:49] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [15:49] just disable them all and see if it still does it, fastest way to see that at least [15:50] True! That might help with other problems I'm having as well. [15:51] Thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes we forget the simple things. [15:51] whats this we shit, got crabs? [15:52] ;) [15:54] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.69.171) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Shingoshi: what changed? you used to use firefox 2 and now are using 3? [15:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:02] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [16:02] I disabled all of my extensions, and this is still happening. [16:03] FF3 [16:04] what if you hit enter twice after typing the new name? once to finish the name, and maybe the 2nd one will open the new directory? (that wouldn't be such a huge pain, your finger is already over the enter key...) [16:04] I'm complaining that every time I create a new download folder, I have to then search among all of the folders in that directory, just to find the one that I just created. [16:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:05] you mean, the cursor isn't already on the one you just created? ouch [16:05] that sounds like a bug to me [16:05] Urchlay: That causes the file to be download into the master folder in which I just created the new folder. [16:06] And it's happening without any active extensions in FF-3.0.9 [16:06] I have a few more things to check into, now that my extensions are disabled. [16:07] I'll be busy for the next hour, at least. [16:07] Starting and Restarting FF. [16:07] bbl [16:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.225) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] _0xFF (n=flavio@189.73.206.174) joined ##slackware. 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[16:20] hah [16:20] yeah [16:20] I wouldn't have guessed that either [16:20] damn math [16:20] !!true == true >.> [16:20] yeah, but I wouldn't expect "set reverse video to true" really means "toggle reverse video setting" [16:21] doesn't work that way in xterm, AFAIK [16:22] but i also had revrse video settings on vim and emacs (confirmed with emacs) [16:22] ahhh [16:22] in that case, yeah, it makes sense [16:22] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] freack (i=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [16:23] apparently in my .vimrc and .emacs i had the fg/bg settings set for reverse [16:23] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:24] geez. official gnome channel is soo quiet %) [16:25] everyone's busy building tons of cross-dependent packages [16:25] lol [16:29] you know, while stuff is busy compiling for hours, that's the best time for chatting [16:29] Would someone please take a look at http://www.katu.com and tell me if you can watch any of the flash videos there? [16:30] They're on the main page, off to the top left. [16:31] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] Shingoshi: yes, but I use firefox 2 [16:32] they work for me in 3.0.9 [16:32] lol [16:33] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [16:33] works just fine in FF 3.0.1 lol [16:34] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.59.82.203.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] Urchlay, only if it builds, not giving errors on every step %) [16:34] anyone running gware here? [16:34] nope [16:35] :) [16:35] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.129.125) joined ##slackware. [16:35] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.164.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:42] The video link on this page doesn't work for me. And I have no extensions active. All have been turned off. [16:42] http://www.katu.com/news/business/43548302.html [16:42] Yum. Hot girly action! [16:42] and other flash-based videos on other sites work fine, I take it? [16:43] Adobe reports that it's working. [16:43] Adobe.com [16:43] that video in fact is the one I was looking at earlier :) [16:43] Was it good for you, honey? [16:43] LOL [16:44] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Couldn't resist! [16:44] eh, it's the evening news, in what looks like a conservative town... most you get to see is a pair of high heels, and I'm no foot-fetishist [16:44] lol [16:45] thumbs_ (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-182.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:45] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] Try this one. http://io9.com They have a sex section for science fiction. [16:46] Maybe that'll work for you! [16:46] wtf? [16:46] if it turns out to be a bunch of clips from "rocky horror" I'll hunt you down [16:46] Shingoshi: you on dope or what [16:47] I'm thinkin so [16:47] Take a walk outside [16:47] Check it out and see. [16:47] Action: Urchlay saves it for some future time when he's extra-bored [16:47] http://io9.com [16:48] Urchlay: Or horny! [16:48] Nick change: thumbs_ -> thumbs [16:48] http://io9.com/tag/spring-mating-season/ [16:49] That's the link I meant to send. [16:50] How do any of you have flash installed? Did you get it directly from Adobe.com, or a package from Slackware? [16:51] I don't really get off on low-res highly-compressed video anyway [16:52] I couldn't see it even if I wanted to. [16:52] does flash not work at all (even for non-video-playing stuff)? [16:53] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] I think some of the ads on that page are flash. But for some reason, the stories don't play. [16:53] YouTube never loads, for instance. [16:54] ehm, possibly you're out of space on /tmp? (that turned out to be the problem for one person in here who couldn't play youtube videos) [16:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151061189.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:55] I have 8GBs of ram. /tmp is mounted there. I'm not out of space. [16:55] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:55] the relevant output line of df -h would have been better than that comment [16:56] rg3: This is my largest usage of /tmp: tmpfs tmpfs 3.8G 14M 3.8G 1% /var/tmp [16:56] Does that answer your question? [16:57] Shingoshi: you're not running Slackware obviously [16:57] lol [16:57] 64-bit kernel from Slamd64. Slackware as my userspace. [16:57] I didn't make any questions, but yes, providing factual information is always better [16:58] And no possibility to build yourself a kernel module... [16:58] or he's masochistic [16:58] alienBOB: ?? [16:59] You never felt the need to compile a kernel module on that box Shingoshi? [16:59] It's the huge version. I think everything that I could want, is already present. [17:00] hmmm [17:00] i have to disagree [17:01] What do you think I'm missing that I really should have? [17:01] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [17:01] For modules. [17:01] virtualbox's kernel modules? [17:01] If you did not miss anything yet, you will not need it :-) [17:01] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] it isn't all that hard to build a cross or multilib compiler if necessary [17:02] I was told that the kernel compilation process is separate from typical builds. [17:02] Why doesn't that include modules? [17:03] the kernel itself, yes [17:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:03] 3rd-party modules though (ones that don't normally come with the kernel), you may have a hard time building those [17:03] it is, I cross build kernels for all my other machines on my x86 system [17:03] So there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to build 64-bir modules for my kernel. [17:04] sure, 64-bit cross compiler [17:04] fact remains, sometimes it'll be a pain in the ass to coerce it to work properly [17:05] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:05] what (if any) advantages do you get from running a 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userspace though? [17:05] oh, 8G of RAM, right [17:06] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-168-237-114.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] I build packages in /tmp. Which now has 4GBs set aside for it. The builds are much faster. [17:06] I'm building on a ramdisk. [17:07] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:07] I'm thinking of getting a board with 16GBs of ram, just for that purpose. [17:07] it's fast indeed, I wish something similar was available for PCI-E [17:08] psychicist: Explain. I didn't follow that. [17:08] How does PCI-E play into this? [17:08] Shingoshi: a board with RAM modules that directly plugs into the PCI-E 16x slot and acts as a fast hard drive [17:09] heh, if you have more video RAM than you need, the extra makes a pretty good RAM disk [17:09] Why not just get a board that supports 16GBs of ram, natively. [17:09] (not enough for your purposes I guess) [17:09] I've also got 8 GB in my system, but I'd have to swap boards for your solution [17:10] Can't you get PCI-E SSDs ? [17:10] Those would be a pretty big step up from traditional drives at least.. [17:10] Here's a cheap example of what I mean. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131296 [17:11] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:11] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] I would rather upgrade when there is a significant value add such as the processors and memory modules that will come next year. I don't think it's worth it to make a relatively minor upgrade to a board that can handle 16 GB [17:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-36.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:12] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-161.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [17:13] Here's something to consider: http://www.shopaddonics.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AE4RCS25NSA&eq=&Tp= [17:13] You can then use four SSD in RAID [17:13] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: "leaving" [17:15] The SSD wear load is spread over the number of devices you have in RAID. [17:15] PCI-E SSDs would be nice too but I'd only use the RAM drive for compiling. I believe a pure RAM drive on PCI-E 16x would still be faster than a number of SSDs, which I would use for permanent storage [17:15] With four devices, each drive will last four times longer than specified. [17:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] psychicist: They are very expensive. I've already looked into them. [17:17] That's if you're using RAID0. Which is all you need for building packages and the like. Not for storage. [17:17] You don't need redundancy for packaging. [17:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] Shingoshi: can you tell me about one that you've found? I didn't find any so far [17:18] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "fui embora" [17:19] There's a very expensive card I found. I'll have to look for it again. [17:19] I think it was 640GBs in size. [17:19] Give me a few minutes to find it. [17:19] I don't need that much, 8-16 GB would be enough for now [17:21] Check this out: http://www.fusionio.com/news.html [17:21] the thought of that amount of very fast storage and using part of your memory for a RAM drive in /tmp is what a modern system should look like in my opinion, with SSD and mechanical drives only for permanent storage [17:21] The size you mentioned is too small to justify the cost. [17:22] You would be better off with SSD, not PCI-e. [17:23] http://www.fusionio.com/ [17:23] The first link was broken. [17:23] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.129.125) left irc: "Leaving." [17:23] I figured, but it's something to look out for [17:23] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] http://www.fusionio.com/Products.aspx [17:24] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.28.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] uva (i=bno@118-168-234-247.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] These are for corporate enterprises. [17:25] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] I wish you could use regular DDR3 modules on a base board plugging into PCI-E 16x, but that doesn't seem to exist. [17:25] Not worth the cost. SSD is still a better solution. [17:26] But thanks for the link, I think it's an interesting project/product to follow. [17:27] Chrysalis (n=UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [17:28] It's so expensive, they don't even tell you the price on their page. [17:28] "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" [17:28] @ $19K [17:29] you could buy a car for that [17:29] or 63 of my car [17:29] anyone know if slackpkg deletes the downloaded files after each pkg or at the very end? [17:29] Chrysalis: There should be a config option in /etc/slackpkg [17:29] jnz (n=jnz_@host236-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:30] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host5-74-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] yes, but thats for downloading [17:30] It should also give you the option of deleting. [17:30] Read the man page. It will likely tell you how to. [17:30] yes, theres 'DELALL' i wanna know if its performed after each pkg or at the end [17:31] it's a shell script, read it? [17:31] If it's an ALL option, it waits until the end. [17:32] After ALL packages are installed. [17:32] Action: Shingoshi goes back to work now. BYE! [17:32] crzpc (n=mrc@adsl-ull-41-136.50-151.net24.it) left irc: "Leaving" [17:32] ok, another question, is there any tool to just download new pkgs without installing? [17:33] pepperjack (n=happy@h254.254.90.75.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:33] Chrysalis, slackpkg download bla [17:34] you would know that if you read the man [17:34] dive: what so many would know if they read man files... [17:34] dive, yea, well i was thinking of something that lets me chose where [17:35] guess ill just edit the temp dir [17:35] what's so hard about mv'ing them from cache dir? [17:35] dive, no room [17:36] erm / a bit full up is it? [17:36] then you won't have room to install them either in that case [17:36] anyone in here work sith samba much? [17:36] *s/sith/with [17:36] vastina, a very little [17:36] Every day... [17:36] "sith samba"... freudian slip? :) [17:37] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:37] Urchlay: pfthahaha [17:37] enough to get files from desktop -> laptop [17:37] Chrysalis: you just want a local package mirror? [17:38] hbock (n=hbock@pool-96-253-33-184.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] dive: does the elephant (KDE) create some sort of a preconfigured smb.conf? because if i do an install without KDE, no smb.conf, just smb.conf-sample [17:39] vastina, weird, but I've never installed without kde so don't know sorry [17:39] vastina: you are supposed to create that smb.conf yourself [17:40] alienBOB: figured as much, was curious if KDE creates one for you if you install with it [17:40] vastina, I thought I created one and I had kde installed [17:40] vastina: why do you think it would do that? [17:40] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [17:40] alienBOB: because i was able to see my entire work's active directory when i installed WITH KDE, sans-KDE i'm finding myself configuring ym own smb.conf file [17:41] it was mroe of a curious question [17:41] would love your input though [17:42] This may sound like a bit of a boneheaded question, but what -f flag would I use in cut to just extract the last field? [17:42] depends on the delimeter [17:42] eviljames: use rev in the process [17:42] And then extract the first rev-ed field [17:43] alienBOB: Good strategy, thx [17:43] evening folks :-) [17:43] evening macavity [17:43] evening macavity [17:43] thrice`: I'm intrigued. Why would it depend on the deliminator? [17:43] delimeter whatever :P [17:43] caio_ (n=caio@200.2.124.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] depends how they are separated, and what you're using with cut [17:44] i like THE DELIMINAT0R better [17:44] alienBOB: so, you think it doesn't create it's own smb.conf? [17:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] vastina: i can confirm that it doesnt [17:46] macavity: then why was i seeing the entire active directory through konqueror, yet now i'm finding myself creating this all by hand? [17:46] vastina: as i used to edit my smb.conf by hand.. then tried the KDE controll module, and everything was as i had set it [17:46] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] Active Directory?!? [17:46] thrice`: Still not seeing. For example, a series of folders ./foo/bar/ and ./foo/bar/barista/asdf and ./foo/bar/crap and I want to extract bar, barista, and crap. [17:46] are you using Samba4? [17:47] thrice`: cut -d \/ -f ??? gets me the last bunch? alienBOB's strategy worked btw this is just for curiosity's sake. [17:47] macavity: yes, maybe i'm using the wrong lingo, not much of a windows guy... just seeing the entire network i should say [17:47] the domain [17:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:47] yes, the domain, thanks for the correction [17:47] eviljames: you can also try dirname&basename for those [17:48] vastina: is your samba server a domain controler? [17:48] having a rough day at work here, so my head's not completely with it [17:48] vastina: or is it just one of these "ad-hoc" windows networks where everyone is a member of "workgroup"? [17:48] alienBOB: I'm using them along with cut actually. [17:48] macavity: no, but maybe when i did a full install that one time, samba was acting that way [17:48] no [17:48] no no, it's a domain [17:48] no a workgroup [17:48] not* [17:49] if it is a real domain, then there is a domain controler [17:49] what box does that? [17:49] alienBOB: take a file.jpg and rename it to it's own folder.jpg, something like NEWFILE=`dirname $OLDFILE | rev | cut -d \/ -f 1 | rev` [17:49] macavity: one of our servers in the next room here is the domain controller [17:50] maybe i just don't have my head around samba completely, i'll do some reading instead of asking a load of potentially obvious questions [17:50] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] ok, so despite how you configure your local smb.conf, konqueror can still see the entire domain [17:51] via smb:// [17:51] ok... [17:51] i follow [17:51] see smbclient(1) [17:51] i'm in the man file as we speak [17:51] that is what konqeror is wrapped around [17:52] you dont need to set up an smb server to act as a client on an smb network [17:52] macavity: i see, thanks for that clarification [17:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:52] ... you only need to set up the server part if you want to share resources [17:52] wasn't fully understanding it, but i'll read some documentation on it tonight to get my head around it a little better [17:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:53] macavity: right, that's sensible [17:54] is there a CLI equivalent of konqueror's smb:// ? [17:54] smbclient :P [17:54] smbclient ftw [17:54] oh duhr [17:54] haha [17:54] or smbmount >.> [17:54] got it, thank you two [17:54] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:55] vastina: yes, you can just do "mount -t cifs \\server\share /path/to/local/" [17:55] hi [17:55] how can i see the TOTAL capacity of /dev/sda ? [17:55] Agiofws: dmesg | grep sda [17:56] Agiofws: the kernel reports the real size in both KB and KiB [17:56] macavity: great answer, and appreciate that help, i'll get the rest by documentation [17:57] vastina: there is nothing like a good primer on the basic concepts -> then RTFM, having a clear conceptual image of the situation [17:57] macavity: so true. Sometimes that's all it takes. [17:57] macavity: agreed [17:57] vastina: just ask away about the general stuff.. as much of the samba docs take for granted that you are actually already familiar with SMB/CIFS/Domains/AD [17:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.46) left irc: [17:58] hm. Last time I tried to use it, I couldn't even get two windows boxes to talk to each other with SMB [17:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] We need a grub2 package [17:59] one vista, one XP, shared printer on XP box, want to print to it from vista. Should be easy, failed utterly, don't think I did anything particularly stupid either [18:00] d4vidc: afaik it is in extra/ on the DVD [18:00] Urchlay, friend had same problem [18:00] laptop to xp printer working, vista to xp fail [18:00] blame it on Vista [18:00] I do [18:01] we blame Vista for every other kind of misserable thing we know of anyway [18:01] the old grub is in extra [18:01] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [18:01] nooper (i=nooper@2001:41c8:0:866:21c:c0ff:fe7f:7198) got netsplit. [18:01] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [18:01] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [18:01] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) got netsplit. [18:01] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [18:01] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-8e45b8daabb1de58) got netsplit. [18:01] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) got netsplit. [18:01] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) got netsplit. [18:01] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) got netsplit. [18:01] stunix__ (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) got netsplit. [18:01] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) got netsplit. [18:01] oh [18:01] psychicist: Do you have a cross-compiler installed on your system? And if so, where did you get it? [18:01] ... and it does not work [18:01] world hunger? vista. Wars? vista. Child molesters? vista. [18:01] at least not as it should [18:01] it has always worked for me [18:01] Urchlay: Amen to that brother! :P [18:02] Shingoshi: I built all of those myself in my home directory [18:02] ok [18:02] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) returned to ##slackware. [18:02] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) returned to ##slackware. [18:02] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-8e45b8daabb1de58) returned to ##slackware. 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[18:02] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:02] eh [18:03] psychicist: Do you have SlackBuild scripts for them? [18:03] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-224-143.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Shingoshi: no, I haven't built packages yet to install them system wide (if I can figure out how to do that first) [18:04] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) joined ##slackware. [18:04] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) joined ##slackware. [18:04] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [18:04] anybody getting ubuntu 9.04? [18:04] honnestly.. if you need a system wide installed cross compiler for whatever... Debian is your freind [18:04] no [18:04] lol [18:04] Shingoshi: but I also need integration with glibc first, I'm going to work on that in the weekend [18:05] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-224-143.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:05] crosstool is also your friend [18:05] rupaul uses crosstool..so should you [18:05] (apparently not crosstool-ng though) [18:05] haha [18:07] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:07] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] yarvin (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left ##slackware. [18:10] Shingoshi: you can look at this for inspiration for building a cross toolchain that should be good enough to build kernels, http://cross-lfs.org/view/svn/x86_64/cross-tools/binutils.html [18:10] Is there a program that will let me bind a key to take a screenshot of the entire screen ? [18:11] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-61-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Soul_keeper, bind a key to ksnapshot maybe [18:13] psychicist: TY! [18:13] Action: Shingoshi is eating now. [18:13] been awhile since I've had kde on any of my systems, but isn't the "Print Screen" key allready linked to ksnapshot? [18:15] yes... [18:15] chopp, yep [18:16] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:16] I don't have kde installed (and don't want it) does this app come in a kde package or rely on the kde deps ? [18:16] ^^dive [18:16] thanks [18:16] in a package I think [18:16] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.69.171) left irc: "Leaving" [18:17] in that case you can bind a key to 'import screen.png' [18:17] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:17] awesome [18:17] or .jpg ;) [18:18] man import [18:18] _0xFF (n=flavio@189.73.206.174) left irc: [18:18] 'import -screen ...' should do root window [18:19] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.82) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:19] make sure you import -window root [18:19] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:19] otherwise it'll ask which window to SS [18:19] hmm [18:19] been a while.. [18:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:20] Soul_keeper: the Gimp can take screenshots, in the menu = File > Acquire > Screensot [18:21] Pig_Pen, I know, but i need screen shots on a keypress while apps are in fullscreen [18:21] ah, ok [18:21] ie: gaming screenshots :) [18:22] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred [18:23] hmm [18:24] funny, the damn thing does not show errors after i ran it a second time [18:25] Pig_Pen: sbopkg? [18:26] some games are really annoying in that they steal the mouse/keyboard focus and refuse to give it back even if you put them in windowed mode and pause the game [18:27] naw, i made my own person slackware-current mirror on my harddrive :D [18:27] so the printscreen keystroke never makes it to kde... [18:28] trentgbs_ (n=trentgbs@c-68-49-217-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] /s/person/personal [18:29] theres not enough hours in a day!!! [18:29] don't sleep, that'll give you a few more [18:30] i wish, if i dont get my sleep i wont be worth a damn the next day [18:31] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [18:32] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] mount /mnt/1 [18:32] see, i am losing it here [18:33] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:34] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [18:36] jnz (n=jnz_@host236-9-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [18:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:41] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:45] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.189) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:46] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] Nick change: Philadelphia -> uva [18:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] cleaning day [18:49] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Ah, that's always fun. :) It's 91 F here today and really windy. [18:49] personal or home? [18:50] Hi nille_. How are you? [18:50] i'm fine :) [18:50] and how are you [18:50] nille_: I'm doing great. Thank you. [18:51] 91F what is that i C? [18:51] home [18:51] I was trying tesseract on some stuff I have scanned, but it's not going as I hoped. The documents are in a fancy font, so it didn't turn out well. [18:51] nille_: borderline really hot [18:52] i just had to tease you nullboy :p [18:52] It's actually really nice outside, usually with a temperature like that it's also really humid, but not today. I wish the wind wasn't as bad though. [18:52] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [18:52] well it's not that hot here yet [18:52] It's suppose to be 65 F here tomorrow. [18:53] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [18:53] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] that right there is pretty much how it is here all year round. we have really sunny days but that is a typical week outlook for vtentura [18:54] ventura* [18:54] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Whoa, it's alot hotter here than where you are. [18:54] we had 55F today [18:54] Nick change: FMDCH -> Spazer [18:55] hi, Is there something like the compiler variable in the system... I need to compile the nvidia drivers with appropriate compiler version, where to change that ? [18:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] i had to use a converter for Fahrenheit :) [18:56] paul424 what do you mean you only need same gcc version that the kernel where compiled with [18:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [18:57] nille_ : yes, what to do ? [18:58] did you get an error message? [18:58] hmm it says continue or abort cause the version doesn't meat [18:59] doesn't it only say that there's no pre compiled kernel modules [19:00] if so the continue [19:01] paul424: tell us the exact message [19:01] Action: nille_ deletes what i typed because nullboy beat me to it [19:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] s/i/he [19:03] looks like it works to the next system crash ;) [19:03] hmm thanks very much and goodbye or goodnight dependently on your time zone [19:03] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out of here" [19:05] paul424 (i=0@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "Disconnecting" [19:05] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:05] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) joined ##slackware. [19:07] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:10] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) joined ##slackware. [19:12] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] does .bashrc get read by default if it exists ? [19:19] When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from ~/.bashrc, if that file exists. [19:21] ok thanks [19:23] Soul_keeper: personally i want interactive login shells and interactive shells to behave the same, so i just symlink .bashrc to .profile [19:24] Soul_keeper: and have .profile source /etc/profile [19:24] or source .bashrc in .profile [19:24] yes appears editing .bashrc causes other problems ... [19:25] i dont think you want your login shells to be like your interactive shell though [19:25] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] whos running current? did the nvidia driver build for current's kernel & xorg??? [19:26] nullboy: ping? ^^ [19:27] it should build since it supports kernel 2.6.30rc [19:27] ok [19:27] thanks [19:27] but i don't use nvidia any more [19:28] I use the nvidia driver and run -current Pig_Pen [19:28] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] everyone should just buy intel :> [19:29] well my lappy uses ati [19:30] alienBOB: any caveats or gotchas that are different from 12.2? [19:30] thrice`: amen! :-) [19:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] thrice`: i cant wait to see the Larrabee in action [19:31] macavity: i'm on mesa 7.4.1, x-server 1.6.1, intel 2.7.0 btw :> [19:31] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.54.61) joined ##slackware. [19:31] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:31] thrice`: i am moving sht around to prepare my upgrade from 12.1 to -current [19:31] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:31] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] thrice`: once on current, i will "pick up the chase" again :P [19:32] i am about to dual boot 12.2 & current [19:32] wiped my extra partitions to get ready for it [19:32] :) [19:33] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] thrice`: the gallium3d page was just updated to reflect that i915simple now runs most OpenGL apps :-) [19:33] thrice`: i *really* cant wait to get my fingers into that shit [19:37] ok, this is surreal [19:37] I am drafted to play bass in my dad's country/southern-rock band [19:38] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] congrats [19:38] now your are officially an old fart ;-) [19:38] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] barcara (n=barcara@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] eh, don't congratulate until after they've heard me play, I might suck after 2-3 years without practicing [19:39] you do seem to have a point there.... [19:39] so.. go practice? [19:39] maybe I can trick them into playing some Zeppelin covers or something [19:43] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:44] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:44] bind -x '"\ep":"import -window root /tmp/test.png"' seems to only work for console, how can I make this work with X nomatter what program I have running fullscreen ? [19:44] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:45] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] heh, the band just showed up, no time to remember how to play :) [19:45] bbl [19:47] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] ok, i got my courage up to install slack current, wish me luck [19:50] here it goes, gotta go, bbl [19:50] Hmm. [19:50] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:51] Apparently gcc 4.0 and 4.3 have different ideas on whether or not a missing file in an #include directive is an error. [19:51] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] old news :) [19:52] I was kind of hoping for consistent behaviour, but I guess I can't have my cake and eat it too. [19:52] most stuff is patched by now. some older releases might still need patching [19:54] Crosstool is pretty ok so far. As long as I have properly formatted makefiles, it works. [19:58] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:58] It also appears that .c implicitly includes .h in 4.1. [19:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] Oh wait, nevermind. [19:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Case sensitivity. [19:59] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:00] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-161.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:00] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-32.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [20:01] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. 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[20:13] ...gah, dependencies [20:14] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Taylor-f (i=ilovor@41.236.13.38) joined ##slackware. [20:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:20] anyone know what would cause Alt-F2 to not function while a game like wesnoth is running fullscreen ? [20:21] just watch, after going through all of these dependencies, kino won't work for me :( [20:22] .... [20:22] works fine for me [20:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:23] pattwo (n=patrick@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] bah, kino installed and got the videos all in together, but now it won't export it [20:48] acidchil1, around? [20:49] raela: click the other tab [20:49] ... [20:50] nullboy: >>> output rate is 48000, adjusted rate is 48000 [20:50] -lameopts is not an MEncoder option SIGPIPE Received (13) - setting indicator [20:50] as in, errored out.. heh [20:50] i don't know wtf you have going on there but kino works fine [20:51] oh, yeah, it's probably not kino's fault [20:51] I could just upload everything separately to youtube.. 9 small video files, 4 min 42 seconds altogether [20:52] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-86.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:56] _Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) joined ##slackware. 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[21:04] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) returned to ##slackware. [21:04] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: No route to host [21:05] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] caalope (n=caalope@197.sub-166-143-61.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [21:06] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:07] anyone here use mount-ewf with slackware? There's no documentation for it and I can nott get it to work [21:07] so, cat worked perfectly for me (tossing the videos together) [21:07] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [21:08] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:08] old page, but funny: http://www.advogato.org/article/985.html [21:08] if you programmatically convert python to javascript, the google v8 javascript engine will run it 10x faster than python [21:09] caalope: www.linuxleo.com <-- libewf stuff in there [21:11] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:11] I know. But there's nothing about mount-ewf in there [21:11] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] caalope: next version will (might) cover it. [21:13] what problem are you having? [21:13] being specific might help. [21:15] when i run it there are no directories, just two files. the image has an ntfs system on it of a full windows computer but i can not see the directory stuff inside. [21:16] dude...look reeeaaaal close at those two files. [21:16] ...closer [21:19] If only there were someone here who knew a little about that forensics stuff... [21:19] one of the files is the size of the image disk. but when I try and loop mount it it fails with wrong fs type, etc. [21:20] rworkman, ? [21:20] nachox: it was a (bad?) joke. [21:20] rworkman: ;-) [21:21] I figured *you* would catch it, SpacePlod :D [21:21] caalope, what's wrong with ntfs-3g and fuse? [21:22] i'm confused now. I'm trying ntfs-3g right now on the file from mount-ewf. SpacePlod what am i missing. [21:23] caalope: think about it...I assume you started with encase (I guess) image(s) of a whole disk. [21:23] mount-ewf separates the data from the ewf meta data (the two files). [21:24] dood fresh local raspberries [21:24] Better than fresh nonlocal dingleberries. [21:24] the resulting image is of a whole disk... [21:24] yeah i sure don't want any dingleberries that have traveled thousands of miles to get to me [21:24] ...which you may get mixed in depending on who pick'ed em. [21:25] haha [21:25] Speaking of images: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/rockymeadow/LolCatRenderer-17.jpg [21:26] got it. it mounted fine. thanks. [21:26] oh man! [21:26] np [21:27] rworkman: damm you! [21:27] hehe [21:27] Spill some beer? :D [21:27] lol [21:28] Kirin was on sale today! [21:28] In no uncertain terms should the word mounted be anywhere near the link to that photo. [21:28] rworkman: nah, I havne't cracked open the next bottle yet ;) [21:28] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] XGizzmo_: haha [21:28] XGizzmo_: great. that sent IPA right out my nose. [21:29] lOL [21:29] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] WTF *is* that thing? [21:30] Which part? :D [21:30] Big balls in cat town [21:30] _ohm (n=mark@nom19885a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:32] it looks like a shaved opossum [21:32] I prefer shaved beaver [21:33] I dunno. Paint some eyeballs above the tail and it'd look like an elephant with a double chin [21:34] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [21:34] and on that note - thanks for the help [21:34] caalope (n=caalope@197.sub-166-143-61.myvzw.com) left irc: [21:35] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.165.100) joined ##slackware. [21:50] nvidia's driver installs but does not give me the proper screen resolution in slack-current, its like 320 somethingxsomething [21:50] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:50] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] cat /proc/mtrr shows reg00 as write-back but reg01 as uncacheable [21:53] oh well, i will fix it another day, sleepytime, laters ya old cold taters [21:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:00] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-32.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:04] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:04] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Choi (n=c1rcuit@pool-70-111-206-105.nwrk.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] If I want to install Slackware over a current Fedora installation, (i have a windows dual-boot), should i boot into windows and clear the partition first? will this delete grub? [22:11] no [22:11] you can format it during install [22:12] ah, so during install i can just completely take off fedora in one step..? [22:12] Choi: you don't need to use windows for this, ever. [22:12] i was just wondering if it were easier to use the partition manager there [22:13] well, depends on if you are the type of person that likes to rinse and repeat and repeat [22:13] and repeat and repeat [22:13] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] no harm done tho [22:14] i repeat a lot [22:14] what? [22:14] ok, i see [22:14] shampoo [22:14] lol [22:14] lol [22:14] I repeat a lot [22:14] I'm quite OCD about my shampoo [22:15] I have like three different kinds [22:15] and use them like 4 times each [22:15] also, during installation will i have the choice to choose a desktop environment? [22:15] Has anyone had the issue with too long mustache hair? It like..goes in my drink and feels like there is something in my drink all the time [22:15] straterra: you metro boy you! [22:16] I..am not metro [22:16] haha [22:16] nullboy: http://www.fuhell.com/bra/ [22:16] oh lord [22:16] CLICK IT [22:16] i...feel...vio....lated.... [22:17] That is me with some rum...a lot of rum [22:17] Choi (n=c1rcuit@pool-70-111-206-105.nwrk.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:17] But..do I look metro? [22:17] yeah, definitely not metro [22:17] MY EYES! MY EYYYEEESSSS!!!1 [22:17] You've been StratRolled...bitch [22:17] haha [22:18] straterra: who is that nasty mongoloid perverted motherfucker?!? [22:18] Me. [22:18] lmao [22:19] uhm, do you, like.. have anyone to talk to about "it"? [22:19] it? [22:19] yeah.. that, you know [22:20] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] someone noobfarm that for me? [22:22] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:24] macavity, watch the language [22:24] macavity: hey [22:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:24] nachox: yessir [22:25] hi nachox, i see you're putting a wet blanket on the channel as usual :P [22:25] hey spook :-) [22:25] macavity: bye, going now :P [22:25] l8r bro [22:25] damn women havent made me food. [22:26] spook: 1) fetch cane. 2) make sure they understand the context. 3) use cane appropriately :P [22:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [22:28] hm. Anyone know the max length for a filename on an ISO filesystem with Joliet extensions? [22:29] 4096 iirc [22:29] oh, no, that is the max path length or something [22:29] hm. Just burned a disc made with -J -r and one of the filenames got sut short [22:30] mkisofs manpage says "up to 64 unicode characters long", guess that's the limit [22:30] apparently I should used -joliet-long instead [22:30] Joliet=63, LongJoliet=103 [22:31] 103's still not long enough for whoever named this file [22:31] hell, I have useful perl scripts shorter than 103 chars [22:32] Urchlay: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/jolspec.html :P [22:33] nachox: yeah.. you? [22:34] Carmela (n=echelon@unaffiliated/ishot) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Urchlay: specifically http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/jolspec.html#relaxation [22:34] Taylor-f (i=ilovor@41.236.13.38) left irc: No route to host [22:34] Urchlay: it appears that you have 128 to do with, in bytes.. i dont know if the \0 is implicit or explicit, so you probably want to either test that, or just say 127 as the limit [22:35] Dominian, do you know how to craft a dns update query to a isc dns server? [22:35] guess what's annoying here is that the characters that got cut off included the ".mp3" at the end, so the windows box the CD was intended for, didn't know what to do with the file [22:35] the 103 thing seems to be a cap in some infamous, yet wide spread, peice of windows disc creation softeare [22:35] *software [22:36] pirvings (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] and mkisofs doesn't print a warning when it has to truncate a filename [22:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:36] showed the lady how to copy the file to her desktop and rename it so it ends in ".mp3", now she thinks I'm some kind of genius [22:39] some kind of genius for not burning the disk right? [22:39] Action: macavity ducks and giggles [22:40] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] there wasn't any right way to burn that disc, except to already know one of the filenames would be too long [22:42] and thus know ahead of time I'd have to rename it [22:42] is it classical music? [22:42] yeah, sort of... some kind of classical/disco-ish remix [22:43] filename was: Mannheim Steamroller - The Cambridge Singers - The London Symphony Orchestra - Escape From the Atmosphere.mp3 [22:43] generally people who rip classical tend to think that we all need to know the entire life and conduct of the composer just from the file name :P [22:43] (I read that as "the cambridge snipers" the first time I saw it...) [22:43] heh :P [22:44] still think it would be nice if mkisofs would spit out a "warning: filename too long, truncating" [22:45] Urchlay: it should do so, actually [22:46] Urchlay: oh [22:46] nachox: isc... [22:47] nachox: I guess I don't follow... [22:47] thumbs: it didn't... filename was 110 chars long, it appears to have chopped off the last 10 of them [22:47] silently [22:48] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:48] nachox: and you'll have to forgive me.. I've been drinking a little [22:48] Dominian, no problem [22:48] ah, I'm casting blame in the wrong direction [22:49] got CD back, mounted on Linux box, full filename is showing up just fine [22:49] ah, blame windows. [22:49] so apparently it's windows xp that's silently losing the rest of the filename [22:49] or it's how you built the ISO [22:50] they still have some 8.3 code in there, I believe. [22:50] built it with -r -J [22:50] did you enable long joliet long names? [22:50] no [22:50] didn't know until after the disc was burned and inserted in a winxp box, that such an option might be needed [22:51] try making it with -J -joliet-long [22:51] let's face it, most sane people don't use 100+ character filenames [22:51] i also use this too -max-iso9660-filenames [22:51] even without the -joliet-long, the full filename is really there (I can see it on Slackware) [22:51] gm141 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] i know it is there but windows doesn't [22:52] yeah. Meaning I could waste 10 or 15 of these non-erasable CD-Rs trying to debug the problem [22:52] not if you use those three options lol [22:52] which isn't really that important to fix, in this case [22:53] i bet it works if you use -max-iso9660-filenames -J -joliet-long [22:53] it will cry about non conforming but we can thank some other OS for that [22:54] the real problem is that windows doesn't use the first few bytes of the file to figure out what the mime type is, and relies on the filename instead [22:55] much as I hate using KDE, that's something that would have worked fine on it [23:00] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] DyNaMiC (n=DyNaMiC@72.169.73.253) joined ##slackware. [23:01] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] _ohm (n=mark@nom19885a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] bhodgins (n=root@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Hey hows everyone? [23:06] ssshhhh...we're hunting wabbits [23:06] lol [23:06] Hey actualy I just noticed something [23:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/source is a broken symlink I think [23:07] with a fresh install [23:10] ill fix it [23:11] wait what the hell? That is the SECCOND time I told slackware to install the kernel sources and it strangely didnt, without reporting error. [23:11] heck* [23:18] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/23/2339224&art_pos=2 [23:19] why did it take this long?!?!?! [23:19] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:19] Nick change: toastyto1st -> toastytoast [23:20] Edgar1 (n=edgar@190.167.45.244) joined ##slackware. [23:20] hello [23:20] Hey [23:21] hi, i'm a some newbie user of linux(I came from Windows), i'm using now ubuntu [23:22] for learning is it slackware good? [23:23] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.54.61) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] pft [23:23] well um [23:23] obvious troll is obvious [23:23] why are you on the slackware chan if you use ubuntu? [23:24] well I see some friends of mine talking about slackware [23:24] and I see it interesting [23:24] what do they say? [23:24] lol [23:25] well, that is good for learning because it's more technnical [23:25] you should try gentoo [23:25] because as a development enviroment you will be compiling softwares as you need [23:25] gentoo? why? [23:25] or why not slackware? [23:26] Lloyd? [23:26] yes bhodgins [23:26] I knew it! [23:26] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] I knew something was up. You'd be one the only person I'd know whod recommend something they never even tried out. [23:27] AND uses the name toastytoast [23:27] AND uses the name toastytoastoh and dude, I was just looking for you on aim, wheres the fglrx packages you had up on ftp? [23:28] :-/ wtf [23:28] give me a sec i'll check [23:29] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) joined ##slackware. [23:29] how to prepend stdout into a file? [23:29] barcara (n=barcara@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] prepend? [23:31] like "cat something > newfile"? [23:32] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.226) joined ##slackware. [23:32] process > newfile && cat newfile oldfile > final [23:32] uhh.. when loading hdaps.. invert=(int here) isnt passing ... [23:32] DyNaMiC (n=DyNaMiC@72.169.73.253) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] gtl (n=gtl@201.47.44.197.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:33] it's thre now [23:33] it has my xorg.conf too i think [23:34] is $KDEDIR my ~/.kde for use on cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$KDEDIR when compiling plasmoids for KDE4.x? [23:34] oh, because of modprobe. Yoy have to use insmod in order to pass parameters? and thanks toast [23:36] mecavity: ">" will overwrite the current content of file, ">>" will append, while i want to add stdout to the beginning of file [23:36] so you wouldn't recommend me slackware? [23:36] systemloc (n=lol@pool-173-78-38-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] depends [23:37] nooper: good idea [23:37] depends of way? [23:37] what? [23:37] depends on stuff [23:37] well eeee [23:37] look slackware is a good stable distro [23:38] something else? [23:38] where is it toast? [23:38] gentoo is also pretty good but you have to compile the whole sytem from source i'm pretty sure [23:38] systemloc (n=lol@pool-173-78-38-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:38] shoudl be in /ftp [23:38] /home/ftp [23:38] I think is source based [23:38] hmm [23:38] the all gentoo [23:38] look why [23:38] dont see it.... [23:39] don't you jsut go try a bunch of different distros [23:39] until you finds one you like [23:39] ah [23:39] refreshed [23:39] might have taken a seccond for your filesystem to dump? [23:39] or maybe it was dumping at the time [23:39] i just found my Duke nukem 3D CDROM so i can try the eduke SBo now [23:41] toast, you need a network connection boost. 60 kb/s! [23:41] nullboy: I wish I could find mine. [23:41] would be nice to be able to prepend data to a file without all the copying. like 'cons'ing a block to the beginning of the file [23:41] alas [23:41] jiraia (n=ricardob@189-10-115-183.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Edgar1 (n=edgar@190.167.45.244) left ##slackware. [23:42] i'm going ot make sure i get the XXX pack too lol [23:42] nullboy: Why do I find that odd [23:43] haha [23:43] http://hrp.duke4.net/download.php [23:44] oh bhodgins my laptop is at the post officwe going to pic it up tommorrow [23:44] the old toshiba [23:47] heh [23:47] cool [23:48] toays, wtf are all of the files in the fglrx package executable? [23:48] lol [23:48] not sure [23:48] *poof* magic? [23:49] either that or i blame the evil ninja monkeys [23:50] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] dude flawless cli to gui + back now with fglrx, no vesa glitches [23:50] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [23:50] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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