[00:00] sbs` (~mfd@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [00:00] neonflux_ (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:01] qt, I think it looks so much nicer, although Xchat looks nice with this KDE theme [00:01] khider (~khider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:02] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:02] Greetings Slackers, I just installed Slackware 13.1 on my new laptop and got Fluxbox as a GUI and now I can no longer get into the GUI I get"chmod:cannot access '//fluxbox/startup': No Such File or Directory [00:03] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [00:03] ran xwmconfig as your user? khider [00:04] I am learning about Slackwatre and I went into a Linux tutorial on how to install software and when I made a /home/ directory, that is when I got kicked out of my gui [00:04] so you were running it as root? [00:04] Grifulkin: While installing I got ttp ick a GUI so I chose Fluxbox [00:04] Grifulkin: No, as user [00:04] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:05] Grifulkin: Bbbut I opened a terminal as root to start installing programs [00:05] naturally, I do that as well [00:05] Within the GUI [00:06] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] So I ran the command you suggested, therefore I should just pick one and re-install [00:06] so are you on a cli right now? [00:06] Grifulkin: I can be, I have the installer option [00:06] right now [00:07] What do you suggest? Go to CLI and try to fix? [00:07] yes [00:07] okay [00:07] Please leadd [00:07] okay are you in cli now? [00:07] as your user? [00:08] I am in root, want me to be user? [00:08] yes [00:08] done [00:08] okay xwmconfig [00:08] and you should have options for GUI's [00:08] pick fluxbox [00:09] and then run startx afterwards [00:09] Grifulkin: I get permission denied and cannot access as there isno file and directory [00:09] did you make your users with the -m flag [00:10] Hmmm, maybe I accidentally erased my home foler because I have a / partition and a /home partition [00:10] you deleted home? [00:10] The tutorial says create a /home directory and I screwed it up and erased it---maybe it got rid of the wrong hhome... [00:10] Like ahome within a home I guess [00:11] okay type this [00:11] cd / [00:11] then ls [00:11] and tell me if there is a home folder [00:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Yeah--there it is! [00:11] :0 [00:11] okay [00:11] now cd /home [00:11] then ls again [00:11] see if your users, home folder is in there [00:12] Done, but nothing is in the directory [00:12] alrighty [00:12] let me see how to make a home folder after the user has already been made, one second [00:12] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Maybe I should have created a /local partition instead of home [00:14] no /home partition is much better to have [00:14] okay so go back to root [00:14] done [00:15] okay type "userdel username" change username to your not root user [00:16] khider: Is this the first time you are using GNU/Linux? [00:17] then do "useradd -m -G users,audio,video,power -s /bin/bash user" replace user with the username you want [00:17] ViN86 (~ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-ONE-SIXTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:17] Mel-nix: No, I have used Linux before, i simply have not encountered thisproblem before. Maybe if you consider Ubuntu 'not linux', that would make sense [00:18] let me know when you've done that [00:18] Grifulkin: It will not let me delete the user because I did it myname@myname [00:18] Then there is root@myname [00:19] as root you can't delete the other user? [00:19] "khider is currently logged in' [00:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:20] khider: Then logout (as normal user) first. [00:20] yeah exit from root then exit from the user and then sign back in as root [00:21] nader (~nader@85.133.204.2) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:22] when you've logged in as root only run those commands I gave you and we can go from there [00:23] but I will be back in a few I'm hungry going to grab something to eat real quick [00:26] lee555J5 (lee555J5@71-91-74-243.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left ##slackware. 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[00:28] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:32] back [00:33] Grifulkin: I can get back into my GUI now, thanks [00:34] no problem [00:34] I need to find a good page that has a good step-by-step 'how to install programs for slackware' page [00:34] pnq (asdf@AC843A41.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/64958-how-install-software-linux.htmlhttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/64958-how-install-software-linux.html [00:34] basically slackpkg install *package* [00:34] oops lhttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/64958-how-install-software-linux.html [00:34] Is good, but it cuts out some etiquette parts like labelling folders the version # [00:35] A slackware user says I must always label my folders properly [00:35] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] yeah I'm a neat freak so I have everything organized [00:36] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] khider: Slackware-HOWTO and other documents which are a part of Slackware are of great help. Have you read those? [00:37] I remember seeing a very very good one--perhaps alienbob wrote it--it was for newbs to Slackware [00:37] Cannot find it now... [00:37] khider: What is meant by "labelling a folder"? [00:37] When installing programs, the folder must be called 13.1 [00:37] Like Slackbuild 13.1 [00:38] oh I always delete my Slackbuilds [00:38] So when I do an update, I can easily remove the older version and progress to the newer [00:38] 'easily' being a relative term [00:39] khider: Perhaps you are referring to "Slackware Linux Essentials" (slackbook)? [00:39] khider: In GNU/Linux, please use the term "directory". [00:40] folder / directory we knew what he meant [00:41] Mel-nix: Good point, I am learning [00:42] Grifulkin: The term "folder" is used by Windows users, and is deceiving. [00:42] <---Windows user 3.11 from 199-2006 [00:42] 1996-2006 [00:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:43] 2007 Ubuntu, 2008 Gentoo--to present on Desktop [00:43] khider: Ah. Very Good. So did you not migrate to later versions of Windows? [00:44] Mel-nix: Only at day jobs [00:44] I'm not going to lie I really like Window 7 [00:44] lol...guess the term folder to someone who may or may not have X installed,would be like describing the color green to the blind [00:44] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:45] There has to be an exemplary step-by-step document on how to install slackbuilds somewhere... [00:45] MLanden: Microsoft trains its users to be blind, err I mean dumb. [00:46] Mel-nix, I am well aware of that doesn't mean I don't like the OS [00:46] Mel-nix: Linux is where I learned what RAM is, a CPU, Hard disk... [00:46] khider: What's so complicated/difficult in installing packages built from SlackBuilds? [00:47] I think it's using the slackbuilds that he's tripping on [00:47] Mel-nix: There is a process, you create directories, you moviles files around, and then execute tehm [00:47] move files [00:47] okay this is what you do [00:47] khider: Good. You are on the road to enlightenment. [00:47] Like being a dictator [00:48] you download source tarball and the slackbuild tarball [00:48] take the slackbuild tarball untar it, it makes a folder [00:48] mv package.tar.gz package/ [00:48] cd /package [00:48] or well cd package* [00:49] khider: The easiest would be: Create a local mirror of the repository, using rsync(1). [00:49] and then sudo, or su whichever you use ./package.SlackBuild [00:52] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [00:52] Grifulkin, good thing the slackbuild files have been made executable..sometimes one might need to chmod +x it [00:53] yeah very true, I forgot to add that thank you MLanden [00:53] Oh yeah, does not one have to specify the architecture during the install? I heard that has been moot with the new slackbuilds [00:53] khider: Then go to the directory, depending on the package you want to build/install (e.g.: slackbuilds/audio/mpd) and read the README file for important information like dependencies, and download+build+install them (it is in a way a recursive process). [00:54] Mel-nix: Yeah...dependencies...*shudder*...but I am here to learn [00:55] Also, I am tired of booting up Ubuntu and having major changes occur without my knowledge [00:55] khider, to be honest most of the time it isn't that big of a hassle to satisfy the dependencies, most packages installed on say Ubuntu are way to overpopulated with "dependencies" [00:55] true,khinder....it is your computer!! [00:55] khider: Download the source package to a common directory (e.g.: ~/downloads). You can use grep(1) and sed(1) on the *.info file and feed it to the downloader: wget(1). Once the file is downloaded, make a symbolic link to it. [00:57] khider: Then make the *.SlackBuild script executable: $ chmod -c u+x *.SlackBuild [00:57] Mel-nix: I am a low-power user, a lit Major--you are going over my head. I just want to do it the Forest Gump way until my Linux mojo gets bigger and stronger [00:59] Actually to be honest I think Arch is more convoluted of a set up then Slackware, just my opinion [00:59] khider: After that use su(1) or sudo(8) to execute the script. If everything goes well you will see the final output as: /tmp/$your-package*.tgz created. [01:00] at least with slackware if you install X and some sort of WM you can start up the machine and make a user and startx and you are off and running [01:00] khider: Finally you either install or upgrade the package using installpkg(8) or upgradepkg(8). [01:00] Grifulkin, true...arch can be quite terse [01:00] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:01] I think it is one of the harder ones to be honest, once it is fully installed you are left a cli [01:01] that's it, nothing else lol [01:01] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [01:01] and to be honest it isn't that hard anymore I feel I know more about problems with Linux and how to fix them then I do Windows [01:02] "hard" and "easy" and such are pretty relative terms [01:03] yeah, that is very true [01:03] always keep a windows install...registry hacking can be fun /sarc ...;) [01:04] I have Win7 Ultimate x64 / Slackware64 on my desktop. Wouldn't have it any other way. [01:05] Grifulkin: Gentoo is pretty durn good [01:05] Oh I know I tried to install it once [01:05] figabo (~figabo@201.165.128.162) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [01:05] took way to long and eventually got fed up with it [01:05] Grifulkin: I tried to install it dozens of times, mostly failed [01:06] But once I got it, I was quite happy [01:06] it is a cool distro [01:07] mancha, see that 3.6.4 came out...close call!! [01:07] The first distro that I used was BasicLinux. It recommended its users to switch to Slackware and that is how I fell in love with the latter. [01:08] Grifulkin: Linus Torvalds uses Fedora [01:08] and Gnome [01:09] I thought Linus used KDE [01:09] I mean again [01:09] patrick uses kde [01:09] Linus switch to Gnome a couple of years ago [01:09] I kind of figured he did [01:10] Slackware use to have gnome didn't it? [01:11] until 12.1 [01:11] or 11.1 rather [01:11] there's a note in the changelog when it was dropped [01:12] I noticed it when I skimmed the slackbook which needs a revamp. [01:12] Alan_Hicks is working on the updated slackbook online [01:12] as he gets time :) [01:12] yeah [01:12] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:13] I find it funny how much smaller XFCE is compared to KDE though [01:13] shouldn't - xfce is lightweight where kde throws in the kitchen sink [01:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. 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[01:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:43] now when I run ARCH=x86_64 ./something.Slackbuild i get compiler cannot make executables error, even though I havent used the 32-bit profile [01:44] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.75.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:44] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.75.8) joined ##slackware. [01:45] woh3, that's not good [01:48] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] rapid (~Rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:49] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [01:50] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:55] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] jhw (~jhw@p57982F11.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:01] big deal [02:01] oh well it isn't hard to do so, but to be honest Slackware isn't trying to be the "Ease of Use" that Ubuntu tries and fails at [02:04] BP{k}, I knew it was one of the earlier ones :) [02:04] Err, dumb questtion--how do I find where my tgz went--I was told to modify the output to a folder other than tmp--and I made a path--I just have no idea where it went because it is not where it is supposed to be [02:04] dchmelik, actually, ntpd is the default when you install slackware [02:05] the only thing you have to setup is the ntp server to use [02:05] khider, I would use the locate command to find it [02:05] do you have sudo installed? [02:06] for some reason I cannot get to the list of servers [02:06] khider: So did you modify the SlackBuild script? Then check the value of the appropriate variable. [02:06] where do you live dchmelik ? [02:06] central Washington state [02:07] so central time zone? [02:07] no, Pacific [02:07] wow, sorry yeah, I wasn't thinking [02:07] dchmelik, pool.ntp.org is the basic - for me in the US, I just change it to us.pool.ntp.org [02:07] Grifulkin: slocate will not let me tab complete it...perhaps it does not exit,,, [02:07] yeah, what alisonken1noc said [02:07] thanks, alisonken1noc [02:07] Nick change: superGear -> Watanuki [02:08] you have to run locate -u as root and then run locate package.tar.gz [02:08] as your regular user [02:08] If I use GMT, is it still appropriate to use us.pool.ntp.org? [02:08] yes - the timeserver setting is geographical location to you [02:09] AIUI - times are all synced to gmt, it's only your local computer tz setting that changes the display [02:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:10] also, ntpd takes about 15-20 minutes after starting initially to sync and get drift file synced, so don't be surprised if time is not immediately updated to correct time [02:11] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:11] in Arch /etc/rc.d/openntpd start was like an instant fix, just saying... [02:11] Okay, I typed the path of the file and it installed even though I could not see it on Thunar. It was a broadcom-sta driver, now ghow do I fire the driver up? [02:12] if the time drift is > 5 mins, it will be an instant fix. [02:12] was that upon initial installation or after it's been setup for a while already? [02:12] Grifulkin, [02:13] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:13] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [02:14] I guess I have to install wifi radar? [02:14] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("...you missed the starting gun."). [02:15] maybe I have to reboot the puter to make it 'take'? [02:16] alisonken1noc, initial instillation right after running pacman -S openntpd [02:16] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a89-152-51-207.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [02:17] Grifulkin, you can as well get openntpd from slackbuilds.org. [02:19] Nick change: spook -> koops [02:20] Maybe this is too hard... [02:20] slackware after gentoo should be a piece of cake khider [02:20] Wwwifi parts are murder [02:21] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:21] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:21] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.75.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:21] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [02:22] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] what chipset do you have? [02:23] doritos [02:23] duet, I haven't had doritos in forever I want some [02:23] Grifulkin: Broadcom BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n [02:24] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [02:24] you should be able to use the b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware packages on slackbuilds but let me make sure [02:24] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:25] Grifulkin: I used broadcom-sta [02:25] I have it installed, I want to know how to get it 'fired-up' [02:25] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.51) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Grifulkin: How about an episode of captain planet? [02:25] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:26] duet, with our powers combined we form captain planet, awesome show [02:26] Nick change: kslen^^ -> kslen [02:26] Grifulkin: :) [02:26] khider, open a terminal as root [02:26] and issue ifconfig wlan0 up [02:26] done [02:27] if it works it will just return to the next line [02:27] Grifulkin: error while getting interface flags no such device [02:28] so maybe a reboot would actually help in this case did it say your package installed correctly? [02:28] okay you have the wrong drive installed [02:28] Grifulkin: It returned no errors [02:28] ifconfig -a will show all available interfacss [02:28] interfaces* [02:28] check it out [02:29] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#b43_and_b43legacy [02:29] Grifulkin: I looked it up through Slackbuilds that says it does [02:30] okay so restart it see what happens [02:30] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:32] you will still have to start the wireless manually the first time I think [02:33] Grifulkin: No dice [02:34] rebooted and pressed the button [02:34] did you try running ifconfig wlan0 up [02:34] the button won't work [02:34] you have to run that as root though [02:34] Grifulkin: error while getting interface flags no such device [02:34] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:37] Maybe it is time for bed, worry about it in the morning [02:37] yeah sounds like a plan I should get to bed too we will she how well that goes [02:37] khider: What interfaces do you get in the output of `ifconfig -a' ? [02:38] Mel-nix: Lessee if I can login through laptop and get you a paste... [02:39] Mel-nix: Oh wait, I get eth0, which is fine and lo which has no packets [02:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[02:43] SunTzu, make help [02:44] slava_dp i know that target; not what i want. i want the fuller text of what's available [02:44] i want Doc* info [02:44] make help doesnt have ALL Targets listed [02:44] the ./README is also useless [02:45] Alright I'm off to bed I will catch you all later [02:46] Grifulkin: Thanks for yer help so far [02:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:48] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:53] grazymax (~grazymax@host2-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:56] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:05] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-15-238.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:06] grazymax (~grazymax@host42-106-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[04:05] heys, how do i identify if my pc is 32 or 64bit on slack [04:05] look at cat /proc/cpuinfo and check uname -a [04:06] cpuinfo will show you what your CPU supports, and uname -a will show you the currently installed architecture [04:06] for the former, look for the 'lm' flag [04:07] SiegeX, what does the lm flag mean [04:07] i see it [04:07] uname -a will only show what kernel you have installed - and 32-bit kernel will run on most 64-bit hardware [04:07] stu_: long mode [04:07] i just felt like installing slack 64bit, was wondering if my pc supports it [04:08] quick check - boot slack64, if it cries uncle, you have a 32-bit machine [04:08] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [04:08] okay will do soon [04:12] if it has the lm flag you're good to go [04:13] okay how do i cut the dvd .iso into 2? because the only USB i have is 4GB [04:14] stu_: split(1). [04:16] skip the /sources directory [04:16] you can also skip /kdei and install it later with slackpkg [04:22] okay i've managed to split the .iso. what is the 'cat 1.iso 2.iso > slack.iso' equivalent for the windows machine later? [04:22] cos only that machine can burn dvds, and the owners only use windows :/ [04:23] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.76.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:24] stu_: "copy /b" [04:25] stu_: See `help' for the usage. [04:27] grazymax (~grazymax@host70-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:29] stu_: $ copy /b file1+file2 file.out [04:32] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.141) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:44] nvision (~nvision@g224250140.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:44] grazymax (~grazymax@host160-22-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[05:15] Action: fb|jean changed the phrag of Futurama to: ##slackware [05:16] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:22] hmm, firefox security update warning [05:22] no SSA yet [05:22] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:24] v4nelle (~van@ipa231.9.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:24] what do you use in linux to connect to the internet via GSM EDGE, with a modem? [05:24] The modem has some software and drivers but only for win32 [05:26] did anyone get xtables to work on kernel 2.6.34 ? [05:26] grazymax (~grazymax@host160-22-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:27] although it may just be the recent gcc not wanting to play ball [05:29] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:29] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.76.44) joined ##slackware. [05:30] do you install flash for 64bit the same way you do 32bit? [05:30] slackbuilds.org or use sbopkg [05:30] flashplugin slackbuild [05:31] alright [05:31] stu_, slackbuilds.org, but keep in mind that flash for 64 has a remote hole and it's WONTFIX. [05:31] Action: slava_dp tends to keep flash 64 disabled now. speeds up firefox too. [05:31] since adobe dropped 64-bit "for now" as they say [05:32] hm [05:32] Action: Delahunt is in texas w00t [05:33] howdeee :) [05:33] y'all [05:33] baah screw 64 bit. nothing works with it :D [05:34] so far the only thing that doesn't work 64-bit for me is skype at home (something about the wife wanting to skype with her sister in malaysia [05:34] ) [05:34] rworkman even announced that he won't be updating flashplayer slackbuild until adobe starts supporting 64 bit linux again. [05:34] haha i'm from malaysia [05:34] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:35] alisonken1noc: I can name more than one thing... wine.. and games like doom3 & nwn =) [05:35] i'm using an 64 bit system right now and on the slack13.1 dvd there is a slackbuild which is fully supportet [05:35] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:35] indonesia, actually [05:35] that would mean that 32-bit flash from SBo is also exploitable. so beware. [05:35] alisonken1noc, and where are you at right now [05:35] slava_dp: hush! :D [05:35] m3tti, exactly that version has a remote exploit. [05:36] Action: slava_dp stops spreading FUD and goes back to work. use google :) [05:36] m3tti: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/ [05:37] woot!!! [05:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:39] http://www.html5rocks.com/ [05:39] XD [05:40] stu_, at work in downtown l.a. :) [05:42] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:43] snL20: ok whats the exploit ?? [05:43] grazymax (~grazymax@host221-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:43] could you send me an article about that? [05:47] stu_ (~stuart@175.137.76.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429112.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:54] slava_dp: since there are no packages at slackbuilds.org there is nothing exploitable there [05:54] alienBOB, I obviously meant the player and not the slackbuild. 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[06:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [06:09] i don't really get the 0 0 or 1 1 part of /etc/fstab. if i wanna mount my 2nd hd, is this correct? '/dev/sda3 /mnt/hd ext defaults 1 1' [06:09] man mount(1) [06:10] (8)* [06:11] stu_, the first number is whether the fs should be dump(1)'ed. leave it as "1" for all real filesystems. the second number indicates the order that fsck will be checking it. use 1 for rootfs, 2 or higher for others. [06:11] okay thanks. [06:12] yw [06:13] does anyone here use irssi? [06:13] everyone [06:14] haha [06:14] I don't [06:14] everyone but alisonken1noc [06:14] :) [06:14] slava_dp: wasnt that explained in the mount man page? [06:14] is there a command to to get another list of who is in this channel in irssi [06:14] i cant find it [06:14] ./names [06:14] besides /names ? [06:15] awesome thank you [06:15] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [06:15] sahko, it sure was. but at the time I was beginning linux, man mount was so OVER my head, that I'll better explain this now to people. [06:16] slava_dp: i mean do you remember a place where this is explained? [06:16] or where exactly it is in the man page? [06:16] man page and info page [06:17] sahko, man fstab - fifth and sixth fields [06:17] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C98E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:18] ah right, thanks [06:18] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:22] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. 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[07:24] hey guys, i am trying to add an alias in ~/.profile however bash seems to be expanding my awk argument [07:24] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [07:24] /sbin/ifconfig | grep "inet addr" | cut -d: -f2 | awk '{print $1}' [07:25] that works from CLI... however when i alias showip='/sbin/ifconfig | grep "inet addr" | cut -d: -f2 | awk '{print $1}' [07:25] it seems to expand the print $1 and doesnt work as expected [07:26] yeah - may need to put that in a script [07:26] rather than alias [07:26] =( [07:27] try {print \$1} [07:27] asamoah (~caio@190.244.49.108) joined ##slackware. [07:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:30] nope [07:30] also - looks like you have to escape the ' in the awk part as well: | awk \'{print \$1}\' ' [07:34] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. 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[08:14] ryan_46 (1000@75-95-175-251.mfd.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:21] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:23] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:24] rafu (rafu@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [08:26] christian (~christian@gssn-4d007a94.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] hi [08:28] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] duet (duet@71.21.89.86) left ##slackware ("moving my computer desk"). [08:33] leontopod (~leontopod@intertwingled.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] I noticed after I installed slackware that X/KDE worked "out of the box" [08:34] when I go to /etc/X11 [08:34] I notice this: [08:34] xorg.conf-vesa [08:34] does that mean that X is using vesa? [08:34] how can I configure X to use the native card and not its vesa? [08:34] there is no xf86config that I can find [08:35] no, that's just an example file. [08:35] oh? [08:35] where is the actual config? [08:35] more than likely, in 13.1 you aren't using xorg.conf [08:35] oh yah? [08:35] what am I using? [08:35] it relies a lot on udev/hald iirc [08:35] so its dynamically generated etc [08:35] oh, how do I configure that? [08:35] or can I? [08:35] You can [08:35] You can still create an xorg.conf if you want [08:35] X -configure or xorgconfig should work [08:35] ah, no xf86config though [08:36] oh xorgconfig [08:36] I will check it out thanks [08:36] however, you may have to tell the X server to not allow udev/hald to dyanmically generate things [08:36] ah, thanks [08:36] I wonder if udev/hald is using vesa? [08:36] leontopod: http://slackadelic.com/2009/06/15/slackware64-current-and-evdev/ [08:36] leontopod: that articles says slackware64 but it will probably apply to 13.1 [08:36] this is a Pentium IV 2 ghz box and the screen redraw is still slow [08:37] rob0: thankyou so much for the alt+. tip... it has increased my productivity 50% ! =P [08:37] which indicates to me that vesa is being used [08:37] vesa is an extra layer right? [08:37] vesa is a generic graphics driver/front end iirc [08:37] yes I want to configure for the "native" graphics card [08:37] not vesa [08:38] it might be faster graphics if I do [08:38] what type of card? [08:38] hmm, no xorgconfig [08:38] leontopod: I may have the command wrong to be honest.. I haven't had to configure X in a while [08:38] hehe [08:38] Dominian, it must be Intel because it is on the motherboard [08:38] how do I tell? [08:39] lspci [08:39] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [08:39] leontopod: X -configure might work as well [08:39] my lappy has an NVIDIA chip on the board [08:39] or maybe its Xorg -configure [08:40] I've ported the same xorg.conf from install to install hehe [08:40] leontopod: What is the probleM? [08:40] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [08:40] but slackware (since 13.0) uses HAL to configure X automatically. right? it should be right in most cases [08:41] crocket, for one thing, video is slow [08:41] most, but not all [08:41] leontopod : do you use kwin? [08:41] KWin is sluggish. [08:42] Isn't for me [08:42] lCaN: that's why I said most... 'not all' is obviously what I ment [08:42] I know that. [08:42] ICaN : what's your graphic card? [08:43] kde [08:43] It's an 'l' [08:43] what is kwin? [08:43] Nick change: lCaN -> NaCl [08:43] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] crocket: on the desktop, a ATI HD5770 [08:43] I use kde, I don't know what kwin is [08:43] =/ [08:43] The window manager [08:43] oh [08:44] leontopod: Try switching from KWin to compiz if you use an old graphic card. [08:44] Or disable desktop effects [08:44] leontopod: KWin is the default window manager of KDE. [08:44] ok [08:44] the other thing that is happening is this: [08:44] http://www.intertwingled.net/snapshot3.png [08:44] screen scribble on redraw? [08:45] i thought that might be vesa-related [08:45] disable desktop effects [08:45] let me try that [08:45] yeah. [08:45] leontopod: What's your graphic card? [08:45] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [08:45] NaCl : your graphic card is way better than mine. Mine is X1250. [08:45] And you may want to disable compositing in xorg.conf too [08:46] NaCl : Disabling desktop effects are enough. [08:46] oops [08:46] s/are/is/ [08:46] not when I tried it back in the day [08:46] konqueror went nuts [08:46] crocket: your card is probably more cooperative with FOSS drivers than mine. :P [08:46] from what everyone is saying I don't really have an xorg.conf [08:46] KDE now uses dolphin [08:46] leontopod: do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [08:47] nope [08:47] I have [08:47] no I have? [08:47] crocket: for file browsing [08:47] konqueror = web browser [08:47] bash-4.1# pwd [08:47] /etc/X11 [08:47] bash-4.1# ls [08:47] Channel flood from leontopod -- kicking [08:47] WindowMaker app-defaults fs fvwm2 mwm rstart seyon x3270 xdm xinit xkb xorg.conf-vesa xsm [08:47] b [08:47] leontopod kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:47] leontopod (~leontopod@intertwingled.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] whoops [08:47] I should have used pastebin or something [08:47] NaCl : Most people now use firefox for web browsing, but somebody would want to use Konquerer. [08:48] xorg.conf-vesa [08:48] That's the default. [08:48] but someone else said that that is just an example [08:48] huh [08:48] and that hald/something is actually doing the config [08:48] yeah [08:48] xorg.conf-vesa doesn't get in your way. [08:48] crocket: it's a better ftp client [08:48] leontopod, everyone has these problems with kde4. I have them on 4 boxes (two intel, one nvidia, one ati). so don't worry, you won't fix it :-) [08:48] slava, the scribble? [08:48] yes [08:48] ok [08:49] how can I speed up the graphics though [08:49] I'd like not to use vesa [08:49] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:49] Scribbles used to happen in kwrite, but it doesn't happen nowadays. [08:49] vesa is just an extra layer of crap, right? [08:49] I don't see any xf86config or xorgconfig [08:49] need to be root [08:49] am root [08:50] leontopod, it is 'X -configure' as you have been told already [08:50] there is no *config [08:50] leontopod: You're not probably using vesa. [08:50] oh! [08:50] sorry I missed that [08:50] It's just intel driver. [08:50] X -configure bombed [08:50] probably because I have X running =) [08:51] lol [08:51] srsly? :D [08:51] I miss the good old days of running xf86config over and over again until something worked [08:51] leontopod: not until something failed? [08:51] usually nothing worked until something worked [08:52] Anyway, you're still having the good old days [08:52] one hint: at work, my intel graphics works very slow if I don't say in lilo.conf append = "enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1" [08:52] but that is a slim chance [08:52] ah, slava, what is that really saying? [08:52] dmesg | grep mtrr [08:52] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [08:53] if there's some mtrr errors, then you might need the append [08:53] nothing [08:54] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [08:54] no mtrr errors [08:55] well I guess I have the best config possible then [08:56] I wanted to play around with the horizontal refresh but I have absolutely no idea where to do that [08:56] leontopod: If you have money, you can buy a new laptop or desktop with a good graphic card. [08:56] it's a tower [08:56] and I have a pretty good agp graphics card that I might install [08:56] but why wouldn't intel put a good graphics chipset on the motherboard? [08:56] are they cheap? [08:57] Is it old? [08:57] it's a Pentium IV 2 ghz box [08:57] Is your graphic card old? [08:57] so, a couple of years old? [08:57] crocket, the graphics is on the motherboard [08:57] probably [08:57] It should work fine. [08:57] KDE and compiz don't work well with old and bleeding-edge-new graphic cards. [08:57] like I said, I could plug in an agp graphics card that I have [08:57] can't say about 3d performance, but it should work. [08:58] how do I tell if I am using kwin or compiz? [08:58] is that a #kde question? [08:58] You're using KWin. [08:58] It's the default. [08:58] how do I switch to compiz [08:58] if it is faster I want it [08:58] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ED65.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] it also does not look elegant [08:58] the kde window decorations look much more mature [08:59] leontopod : System Settings -> Default Applications -> Window Manager -> Use a different window manager -> compiz [08:59] compiz isn't faster per ser [08:59] er. per se [08:59] hey does anybody know how to delete an array in c [08:59] ? [08:59] leontopod: You may want to read up on compiz before switching to it [08:59] You shoudl also install compiz suite from slackbuilds.org. [08:59] *should [08:59] Only compiz is installed by default. [09:00] m3tti : There are many kinds of arrays in C. [09:00] why recommend someone use compiz when they are already having slow issues using just vesa? [09:00] m3tti: google it [09:00] DO you even KNOW what the heck compiz is? [09:00] Dominian : Does slackware 13.1 use vesa to display X sessions by default? [09:00] crocket: who cares? [09:00] Dominian: ITS SHINY AND MAKES SPINNING CUBEZ AND WE NEEDZ MOAR NAOW!!!!1111oneoneone [09:00] I care [09:01] yes but there is no example for my problem. [09:01] crocket: but nobody cares about you. [09:01] The point is, don't recommend using compiz until the other issue is sorted out.. polishing a turd makes no sense, its still a turd! [09:01] vesa is an extra layer of crap, that's why I care [09:01] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:01] Dominian : leontopod would care. [09:01] vesa is a layer of crap? [09:02] that is most definitely not true [09:02] i've a char array which is used as a temporary save point. It is filled severel times with diffrent strings [09:02] running kde with compiz is like running Gnome with kwin. Possible, but...why?? [09:02] especially since KDE4 has its own nice builtin 'eye candy' [09:02] KDE supports using compiz [09:02] So does everything, actually [09:02] NaCl: yep [09:02] but we were talking KDE :P [09:02] crocket: supports, yes. recommends, no. [09:03] NaCl: oh wait.. you weren't talking to me! [09:03] KWin is sluggish with X1250. [09:03] ok I will stick with KWin [09:03] m3tti: you need to read a tutorial on this subject, because "array" could be many things [09:03] I guess I have the best possible config for this graphics chipset then [09:03] from everything you are saying [09:03] leontopod : Did your window borders go when switching to compiz? [09:03] I didn't switch! [09:04] While there is a lot of confusion here (no, nobody is using vesa without taking specific action to do so), the bottom line is that compiz is a poor recommendation for improving speed. [09:04] I was afraid I'd break something [09:04] leontopod : Buy a graphic card. It's not expensive. [09:04] Buy a graphic card that works well with linux. [09:04] ok [09:04] leontopod: the onboard intel probably works, could be that X just isn't recognizing it properly is all [09:04] Yeah, that's the answer.. lets throw money at it [09:04] sheesh I'm going bakc to work [09:04] leontopod: do you actually want the eye-candy? ie. you can get quite a speed up by disabling compositing (Alt+Shift+F12) [09:05] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:05] LXDE will increase your machine's speed without compositing. [09:05] The xorg.1.log ? file is quite verbose, but makes sense, it tells you what's going on, it shows what your driver is and how it was determined. [09:06] and recommend more crap that's not part of a default Slackware install, how about focus on the X issue first.. make sure everything is done to get it working properly before recommending other crap [09:06] Next time I buy a computer, I buy a desktop. [09:06] alt+shift+f12 doesn't do anything [09:06] and what eye candy? [09:06] I see very little eye candy [09:06] leontopod: See rob0's suggestion [09:06] ok I will look at the log file thanks [09:06] leontopod: You'll want to make sure you are running with the proper X setup before you worry about eye candy [09:06] leontopod : you probably want to go to #intel for this problem before spending money on a graphic card. [09:06] I don't think I have very much eye candy to tell you the truth [09:07] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:07] leontopod: radeon has a channel #radeon, but intel may not have a channel now. [09:08] leontopod, using windose theme sure adds to it [09:08] leontopod: dou you have a transparent panel? [09:08] no transparent panels [09:08] then you have compositing already disabled [09:08] except one of the widgets is transparent [09:09] huh? [09:09] windows theme? [09:09] I have a weather widget on the desktop that is transparent [09:10] leontopod: what does systemsettings -> Look & Feel -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects report? [09:10] it seems that widgets are transparent [09:10] I have two widgets and they are both transparent [09:10] a weather widget and a binary clock widget [09:11] widget transparency is independent of compositing [09:11] i don't have Look & Feel under system settings [09:11] well, the equivalent of look & feel in your language then [09:12] well the language is English [09:12] con1neknosila (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:12] O_o [09:12] lol [09:12] Appearance? [09:12] yea [09:12] uhm, what kde are you on? [09:13] have you tried turning it off and on again? [09:14] KDE 4.4.4 [09:14] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] what distro? [09:14] sorry 4.4.3 [09:14] Slackware 13 [09:15] ah ok:) [09:15] I'm on 13.1, kde 4.4.3. Are you definite it's "Appearence"? [09:15] let me check again [09:16] I am looking for Look & Feel, right? [09:16] yep [09:16] it's not really important, just....weird :/ [09:16] you're looking for Desktop Effects [09:17] pprkut, http://www.intertwingled.net/snapshot4.png [09:17] that's what I have [09:17] for system setting [09:17] for system settings [09:18] and there it is, "Look & Feel", right above "Appearance" ;) [09:18] #sex? really?? [09:18] lol [09:19] #sex!? [09:19] where!? [09:19] #sex & #poetry [09:19] oh right [09:19] on ircnet [09:19] sure [09:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:19] I am a channel operator on ircnet #sex [09:19] have been for ten years [09:19] two networks, too. and something that looks like a cyber bot [09:19] leontopod: and you STILL haven't got laid?? YDIW [09:20] I see what you did there, BP{k} [09:20] :O [09:20] OH THERE IS LOOK AND FEEL [09:20] I was looking under the icons [09:20] imprazaguy (~Wayne@118-168-196-216.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] gosh darnit [09:20] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.53.184) joined ##slackware. [09:20] leontopod: you just made my morning.. good job! and now I leave :) [09:21] bye bye [09:21] imprazaguy (Wayne@118-168-196-216.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [09:22] thrice`: does konqueror in the kde 4.5 beta work with gmail? [09:22] the modern gmail i mean [09:22] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.75.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:22] ok everybody [09:22] thanks for your help [09:22] I think I am set up the best I can be set up [09:22] thanks pprkut [09:22] sahko, not sure, I gave up on 4.5 until the RC - it was quite crashy for me. I use rekonq typically myself [09:22] thanks crocket [09:23] ah ok thanks [09:23] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] leontopod: Have you got a lead? [09:23] a lead for what, crocket? [09:23] solving the problem. [09:23] I think it is solved [09:24] I think I have the best X/KDE setup I can have with this graphics chipset on the motherboard [09:24] I was away for a while. How was it solved? [09:24] and that the real solution is to buy a video card [09:24] ha [09:24] buy one [09:24] I have a whole bunch of agp cards lying around [09:24] might try one of those [09:24] Don't buy something too new. [09:25] yeah buy something old so you have crappy graphics with it too [09:25] haha [09:25] imprazaguy (~Wayne@118-168-196-216.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] too old and too new graphic cards have problems with linux drivers. [09:26] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:26] I realized that linux should be used on a desktop since you can't change your graphic card in a laptop. [09:26] I'm stuck with X1250. [09:27] It's like a soul trapped in a dying body. [09:27] imprazaguy (Wayne@118-168-196-216.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. 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[09:31] I have a Matrox Multimedia Graphics Card 16mb dual port AGP card [09:31] I'm pretty malinformed about what graphic cards work. [09:31] leontopod: That was a helluva card back in its day. [09:31] sahko : What graphic cards work fine? [09:31] do you think it will be better than the onboard graphics? [09:31] keeps a a few g400max around here they just work [09:31] leontopod: What are the onboard graphics? [09:32] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:32] crocket: Not really, but some people like the nVidia proprietary driver for its 3D. Others (kernel devs especially) *hate* it, as it's just a "binary blob" they have no idea what it does. [09:32] Pretty much any video card is fine if you don't care about accelerated graphics. [09:32] and 3D [09:32] I care about compiz. [09:32] or KWin. [09:32] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [09:32] Alan_Hicks, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [09:33] rob0: Not necessarily. I've had laptops that didn't want to do things like suspend properly with just the vesa or nv drivers. They needed the binary blob for suspend-to-ram. [09:33] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:33] rob0: On second though, after re-reading your comment, mine doesn't really respond to it. :-) [09:33] hmm [09:33] ibus doesn't work on a VM. [09:34] leontopod: I would just stick with the Intel. [09:34] I installed libhangul, ibus, ibus-qt, ibus-hangul in slackware 13.1 on a VM. [09:34] Alan_Hicks, huh, ok [09:34] It's not simply executed. [09:34] it's the onboard graphics chipset anyway [09:34] hmm [09:34] on this Pentium IV [09:34] I have to install SlackBuilds ibus instead of my won. [09:34] *my own [09:34] leontopod: Unless you want dual-monitors, the matrox isn't going to give you anything special. [09:35] Pentium 4 [09:35] apart from a quality screen signal, i bet. [09:35] Action: jg71 now reads up, trigger on matrox [09:35] ok I will try the card =) [09:35] Alan_Hicks: neither vesa (i think) and definitely not nv, support power options [09:36] "nv is only so you can go online and download the blob" [09:36] s/is/was [09:36] heck, I don't even know if this tower has an agp slot or not =/ [09:36] it may be all pci [09:37] a P4 can't be all pci [09:37] why did agp go out of style, I wonder? [09:37] because of pci express? [09:37] bus width [09:37] leontopod: yes [09:37] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 259 seconds [09:40] AGP has been gone now for years. I doubt you can buy an AGP board new. [09:40] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.16.213) joined ##slackware. [09:40] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] you can. with your S&M pass handy [09:41] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] check overstock.com [09:41] does anyone use a wacom graphics tablet with slack 13.1? [09:41] or ebay [09:42] christian: nope, but if you send me yours I'll figure it out ;) [09:42] :-D [09:42] sahko: power options as in monitor standby/DPMS? Yes, both vesa AND nv support DPMS. [09:42] christian: can be done. [09:42] Dominian, i want to buy one and i want to know if it works ;-) [09:42] christian: yes it will, consult xorg documentation. [09:43] koops, thank you :-) [09:43] There's a wacom.ko kernel driver. [09:43] Aidar-Nagato (admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [09:43] Action: koops has setup a wacom tablet on slackware... 11? 12? just fine [09:43] no more agp. engineers fucking love to change things [09:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.42.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:43] these days im so glad vesa still is supported. the intel driver madness on my laptop with 13.1 is worse than with 13.0 ... i settled on completely disabling any intel driver/drm stuff. [09:43] koops, great [09:44] leontopod: i like pci-e better. [09:44] Ha, I am using vesa on my desktop with a nice GeForce 8500 GT ... I don't need the blob. [09:44] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:44] yes but I have a lot of agp cards that I am going to have to scrap now [09:45] if I upgrade my motherboards [09:45] extract the gold, junk the rest [09:45] extract the cadmium, make jewelry, sell to children [09:45] that's what China does [09:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:04] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:05] actually, nouveau has some support for 3D [10:06] StevenR (~foo@host-80-193-72-150.static.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:06] whenever I see 3D I think three dimensional [10:06] which of course, it's not [10:07] it's better than DD, yeah. 3D ftw. [10:07] rob0: no supsend/resume [10:07] Whenever I see 3D I think "new way to market shitty movies". [10:07] aka "my heads hurts" [10:07] StevenR (~foo@host-80-193-72-150.static.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] yeah, but they're not done yet [10:08] we're soon to see sens-o-round and smell-o-vision make a comeback next [10:10] and they're wrong for calling it 3d cause its not, its just steroscopic because the perspective doesn't change with the viewer [10:12] The "3d" refers to the arithmetic operations the card has to do [10:12] it is actually 3D. its modelled including the camera view then flattened [10:12] so the card gets to see it in 3d but we don't [10:12] its not 3d, you can't see the sides or back [10:13] if you can call large matricies 3d, then yes [10:13] you can walk around 3d objects [10:13] Skywise: you can move the viewer around and see the sides and back. [10:13] its 3d. [10:13] its not [10:13] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [10:13] look at something on your desk [10:14] as you move your head to the left and right you expose more of the object you're looking at [10:14] thats 3d [10:14] the card is 3d. [10:14] i move my head left and right, and expose more of the card [10:14] giving a false impression os depth is stereoscopic, just like those magic images [10:14] end of discussion. [10:14] not really [10:15] but its really not complicated [10:15] half day at work for the football =) [10:15] a holograph is a 3d image [10:15] speaking of which, anyone watch that Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman? last nights was about black holes... cool stuff [10:16] oh damn that was on? [10:16] i was waiting for it and missed it [10:16] anyway, the theorey is, with the rule of physics stating that no information can be lost, it is mirror at the edge of the universe... mad stuff, really cool watch though [10:16] Skywise: yeh, yesterday... it's online =) [10:16] firggen pbs, who debuts a show on a tuesday [10:16] lol [10:16] information can be lost. [10:16] i get all my stuff from nzbs [10:17] like, forgetting where you put something. [10:17] well, the laws of physics say that th einformation is still there.. just difficult to reconstruct [10:17] they're also talking about information in the abstract sense [10:17] Nick change: bgs000 -> bgs100 [10:17] like, every action has a record [10:18] you couldn't throw your term paper into a black hole and know what it said [10:18] that could be reconstructed given enough time and brain power [10:18] but you could tell there was carbon and other elements in it when it was emmitted by hawking radiation [10:18] Skywise: actually, it would be forzen in time and on the surface of th eblack hole, a hologram would emerge [10:18] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] facinating stuff, most of which is news to me and rather over my head, but i got the gist of it and was rather amazed =) [10:19] the crux of the matter is if things are scrambled in a black hole or is there still cause and effect [10:19] well that was the big debate [10:19] hawking said that the information was lost [10:20] he was recently proven wrong, and that somehow, the information is mirrored at the circumrence [10:20] yeah, he changed his mind tho [10:20] i am probably explaining this rather badley... i highly recommend watching it though =) [10:20] you've peaked my interest [10:21] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-149.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] i think we're on the inside of a black hole from another universe [10:22] also.. new futurama!! 8pD [10:22] realvnc worth paying for? [10:22] and that mass keeps clumping up and falling thru the universe to form another universe [10:24] i don't believe in the multiverse theory, because i don't see how mass/energy can be conserved if its splitting every time a choice is made [10:24] lol. i am probably the least qualified person in this room to explain what i've just tried to explain =P [10:24] no i dont either [10:24] the best way to learn a subject is to teach it [10:25] omg, the football has started [10:25] im staying out the way [10:25] some black guy just scored for england [10:25] yeah, usa has one goal discounted for offsides [10:25] i'm sure he didn't mean to [10:25] lol [10:26] UK is retarded about football.. as if the entire country's economy has just stopped to watch some extravagently over paid gym nuts run around in shorts [10:26] thats pretty much it [10:27] but people have always liked their bread and circuses [10:28] although its not as bad now as it used to be like 20 years ago [10:28] the internet gave people something else to do =P [10:29] everything in UK is retarded [10:29] jeev: explain [10:29] well i have a theory about how the uk turned out like it has [10:29] Nick change: koops -> spook [10:29] it was the vikings [10:29] phrag, thihngs like pip pip, cheerio [10:30] they kept stealing the good women and killing the good men [10:30] jeev: yeh, i hear that everyday o.0 [10:30] so eventually you end up with prince charles [10:30] lol [10:30] phrag, you sure you're not the one saying it? [10:31] if you walked down newcastle high street saying "pip pip cheerio".. you'd probably be knifed in the face =P [10:31] Skywise: imagine that the worst part of what the vikings left, migrated mostly to the [10:31] only cause they thought you were from the house of lords [10:31] US* [10:31] no, thats austrialia [10:32] we got the cream compared to them [10:32] hhm maybe [10:32] apparently, there is an old law which is still active that states it is legal to shoot a scotsman in the grounds of York castle.. but only if he is carrying a long bow [10:32] lol [10:32] phrag: I wouldn't be knifed in the face. I'd shoot the sumbitch tried it first. [10:33] Alan_Hicks, that's your answer for everythingh [10:33] also, a pregnant woman is allowed to wee in a police mans helmet if she so wishes [10:33] jeev: I know. There's literally no conceivable comeback to it. [10:33] yeah, i've always wanted to do that [10:34] phrag, there's a law in the u.s. that allows these freak liars like glen beck to have "free speech".. isn't that terrible? [10:34] i dont know that dude, nor any american current affairs =P [10:34] free speech says nothing about accuracy [10:34] jeev: Ok, I'll bite. What makes Beck a "freak liar"? [10:34] is glen beck that governer? [10:34] with the dodgy hair [10:34] pseudomonas (Mist@pool-96-241-50-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [10:34] phrag: He's a talking head. [10:35] Alan_Hicks, i dont know.. i just woke up, speaking out of my ass really but the guy is a blithering retard [10:35] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [10:35] he's the guy who cries for america [10:35] the one who said obama is antichrist [10:35] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [10:35] jeev: blithering maybe, but not a retard. [10:35] heh, sounds like a fun guy [10:35] Hannity is even worse. [10:35] he's pretty much working for the channel that is keeping the recession from moving by creating a bunch of cry baby americans who think they deserve the world [10:35] he's loonie who's replaced his lithium with crack [10:36] phrag, they say they're balanecd but hired sarah palin and that guy who pretty much wrote out bush's presidency i forgot his name [10:36] jeev: Huh? [10:36] he's totally manic [10:36] huh? [10:36] 99% of fox is nutty [10:36] i just woke up! [10:36] jeev: Karl Rove. [10:36] yes! but they do have nice legs. [10:36] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:36] fox just balances out the rational news channels [10:36] when i was younger and would watch fox, i think i used to do things thinking about the legs of the fox anchor girls [10:36] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] jeev: Ok, in the spirit of fair play, I'll let you get some coffee before I completely destroy your arguments. :^) [10:37] Alan_Hicks, there is no argument you can destroy ;) [10:37] but i'm all for it, its easier to pick out fox viewers now then ever [10:37] Alan_Hicks, you'd shoot me before winning a debate [10:37] jeev: I will give you this much though. Fox hires some damn nice hotties. [10:37] Alan_Hicks, that's how they grab the attention of the sub par IQ folk!!! [10:37] its the land of the bimbo [10:37] jeev: Nah, that's how governments resolve debates, not individuals. [10:38] Alan_Hicks, not the american government.. there usually is no debate, just pre emptive strike [10:38] damn right [10:38] jeev: Got your attention, didn't it? :-) [10:38] Alan_Hicks, as i said.. when i was younger [10:38] I think fox is the governments way of handling disposition in the public, why fight an idea just control [10:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:38] same thing happened with the tea party , it turned into a republican cause [10:39] its always been republican [10:39] phrag, fox likes to do things like blame obama for the job loss, even though it started on bush's watch, it was obvious bush's people tried to extend it during obama's watch but it overwhelmed him. [10:39] the tea party is just fox news astroturf [10:39] xsamurai: Your conclusion is highly inaccurate, particularly given last night's election results in run-offs. [10:39] Skywise, you mean the turd party? [10:39] the teabaggers [10:39] im not into the republican / democrat crap [10:39] theres no such thing as a two party system [10:39] who still don't know what that means [10:40] of course theres 2 parties [10:40] i'm into common sense, not lack of common sense crap :D [10:40] Common sense... politics... Nope. Does not scan. [10:40] xsamurai: "Tea Party Republicans" handidly defeated entrenched Republican incumbants and Republican opponents with backing of the party. [10:40] the last time people said there wasn't any difference between the 2 parties, bush stole the election from gore cause idiots voted for nader [10:40] 2 parties with the same agendas , dont seem that far off [10:40] Alan_Hicks, that's actually NOT a good sign. [10:40] thats patently wrong [10:40] xsamurai: The lack of system in two party, doesn't mean there isn't a de facto system people follow. [10:40] that's a great sign for big business, there's a new way to control the turd party [10:41] jeev: I disagree completely. [10:41] Alan_Hicks, i'm still looking for the tea party when we went to war. [10:41] this country is run by corporations who feed both parties [10:41] there is a 2 partie system, and they both may be beholden to big business, but they're objectives are totally different [10:41] nobody said that we're using tax dollars to kill innocent people and losing soldiers the day of the war.. nobody [10:41] that makes no sense Skywise [10:41] only when a beneficial health plan came about is when the turd party really began, you've got to ask.. who are these turd party people thinking for ? [10:41] a multiparty democracy would do good [10:41] they both answer to big business just how they rape us in doing so ? [10:42] Action: sinuhe throws in the #slackware-offtopic flag [10:42] eisnehower warned against the military industrial complex's influence in ww2 [10:42] jeev: beneficial?! [10:42] We should take this to -ot. :-) [10:42] yea Alan_Hicks, health care is expensive and there needs to be a change in it [10:42] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-56-49.multimo.pl) left irc: Changing host [10:42] Coolmax (~mateusz@unaffiliated/coolmax) joined ##slackware. [10:42] not your freakish leaders who apologize to BP [10:42] jeev, ##slackware-offtopic :) [10:42] and throw words like "transparancy and accountability" when they have none [10:42] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] jeev: I agree on that, but there's such a thing as non-beneficial change. [10:43] Alan_Hicks, something is better than nothing. [10:43] that's why there's a constitution and changes to the constitution.. to better lives [10:43] xsamurai, it makes perfect sense, and a great point in example is when the gop came out against the escrow fund for the victims in the gulf [10:43] gop uses code words when they talk about policy [10:44] and when they're against big government, they're really against effective gov't [10:44] they do have their squabbles in between them but its never for the peoples benefits , its for their own good [10:44] as in who cashes in the most [10:44] thats contrary to my last example [10:44] you can't run a campaign on good will alone [10:45] we need to take money out of politics, but thats a pipe dream [10:45] especially with the supreme court equating money to free speech [10:45] that would be the day [10:45] Skywise, xsamurai as noted with jeev and Alan_Hicks time for ##slackware-offtopic channel [10:46] Coolmax (~mateusz@unaffiliated/coolmax) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:46] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-zznfddvqhhkjtkes) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:47] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fgwbswvzhdguqywm) joined ##slackware. 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[11:28] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Skywise: US - Algeria whats the score? [11:32] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [11:32] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] sahko: http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=13/day=1/match=300061461/index.html [11:34] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:34] im in cli, without a browser [11:34] 0 - 0 [11:34] thanks [11:34] np [11:34] this world cup is full of surprises [11:35] i hope england and germany fail to qualify today [11:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] england def should go home [11:36] germany is fun to watch [11:36] england is almost as boring as france [11:36] germany ive betted against [11:38] france bombed this year no zidanne , no henry , i hope brazil or argentina take it [11:38] Ok I have a new one, "Multiple IP Single Domain" [11:38] motaro: care to elaborate [11:39] Is the application who's going to be connecting to this domain has to be the one that changes the ip if one fails or is it the OS that does this change? [11:40] motaro: setup round robin [11:41] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Red Robin Yummmmm! [11:41] you thinking filipino restaurant ? [11:42] grazymax (~grazymax@host225-158-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:42] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ED65.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:44] motaro: That's usually a DNS "thing". Ask for the IP, one time get X, next get Y, etc. Or, get X if it responds, otherwise get Y. Depends on the DNS setup. [11:44] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:45] motaro: round robin is not the best solution, if you have a critical environment with high loads, you will need to setup load balancing [11:45] I understand the part where it changes the address every certain timespan. But how will the DNS know if one of the addresses is not working. [11:45] motaro: you mean if the server on ip x is down [11:45] sking (~sking@nat-jsq-adm.advance.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] well thats where dns is limited , hence I mentioned load balancing [11:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:46] it only resolves it doesnt manage traffic [11:46] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [11:46] When you do load balancing you still going to have the problem with a single point of failure. [11:46] "Multiple IP" would have to be DNS - 'cause that's name-to-IP, is it not? [11:47] not if you have 2 servers setup as redundant - you may get a momentary break, but it still chugs on [11:47] motaro: nope [11:47] two load balancers with failover [11:47] should work nicely [11:47] Load balancing is : You go to this IP, the device there sends packets to a specific machine based on criteria of its own choosing. [11:48] this ip may be one of several machines in load balanced setups as well [11:48] that's a routing thing [11:48] motaro: this should explain it and help you set it up http://www.howtoforge.com/haproxy_loadbalancer_debian_etch [11:49] although its debian doc you can reproduce the setup in slackware quite easily [11:50] pnq (asdf@AC81B37F.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:52] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.158.241.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:53] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:f520:aeab:c722) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:53] cool thanks [11:56] and the usa stumbles into round 2 of the world cup in stoppage time [11:56] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:f6e4:aeab:c722) joined ##slackware. [11:57] usa is new kid on the block for futball [11:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:57] lol [11:57] well most of the players have been playing OUTSIDE the usa [11:57] hence they can keep up this world cup [11:58] agreed, but not a long tradition for futball in usa [11:58] the first game was a typical political game the outcome was known before the game started [11:58] lets not get crazy [11:58] i dont know about new [11:59] christian (~christian@gssn-4d007a94.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [11:59] people like the sports they grew up playing [11:59] not a big enough gene pool to draw from yet for futball in usa ;) [12:00] more americans play football, baseball and basketball then other sports [12:00] yeah, theres only 310 million of us [12:00] haha [12:00] maybe first or second generation of people playing futball in usa [12:00] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:01] its just not as popular as outside [12:01] theres not enough scoring in soccer for americans [12:01] we like sports where people succeed [12:01] ummm baseball [12:01] i cant stand, i fall asleep [12:02] what kind of salary per year does a pro futball player get in EU? [12:02] but i love playing it [12:02] theres plenty of scoring in baseball [12:02] pffff [12:02] yeah, i don't watch baseball either [12:02] too slow [12:02] if you think baseball is slow - try following golf :) [12:02] ugh [12:03] golf is worse then watching dust collect [12:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:03] golf commentators on tv always sound like they OD'd on valium ;) [12:04] thats cause they have to watch nothing happen and think of something to say about it [12:04] or worse - trying to make golf sound as exciting as football/soccer :) [12:04] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) left irc: Quit: chomping [12:04] golf commentators talk in hushed tones like they're at a funeral ;) [12:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:07] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.85) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I love watching golf [12:08] I'm a golfer though, so it makes sense [12:08] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [12:10] but to be honest the smallest 1st prize on tour is $990,000 that's not bad for 4 days worth of work. [12:11] danix (~danix@host68-63-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Ok there is another part I'm not getting, "We also need a virtual IP address that floats between loadbalancer1 and loadbalancer2" [12:13] yeah, think of it as a service ip [12:13] and each machine has its own node ip [12:13] If both servers are going to respond to packets sent to this address how is there no confusion. [12:13] it all depends on how you loadbalance [12:14] the second load balancer is redundant in this setup [12:14] it picks up the floating ip [12:14] if you do it by proxy, the servers don't care [12:14] if the first lb goes down [12:14] which is why they have keepalived setup [12:14] if lb1 dies, take floating ip [12:14] oh ok one lb works at a time [12:15] if one fails the other takes over. [12:15] correct [12:15] they can also take turns answering requests on the same ip [12:15] so your pulling a page won't have all the elements pulled from the same machine [12:16] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:16] but it will seem as if it had [12:17] Cool thanks a lot. [12:17] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. 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[12:56] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:57] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [12:57] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [13:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:05] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:13] ENGLANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD BrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrZZZZ [13:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-226-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] sumati (~sumati@82.178.69.227) joined ##slackware. [13:20] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:21] why does composite never work in slackware anymore? [13:21] cos it's a driver problem. [13:21] is it a problem with X thats shipped with slack? [13:22] because i just installed the latest ATI drivers, and it supports compositing [13:22] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:22] Action: jg71 hugs his crystal ball [13:22] and all the compositing modules are loaded into xorg [13:22] however KDE says no [13:22] jg71: lol [13:22] i cant tell you. i cant even use the intel driver at all or the sys hangs hard [13:23] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [13:23] thats reason enough for me to use nvidia :p [13:23] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@2001:5c0:1000:b::6749) joined ##slackware. [13:23] laptop, sking ... [13:23] mine is a desktop [13:23] and laptops come with nvidia now days if you pay for it [13:23] what is good about compositing? [13:24] heellooo... i already paid for it ;) [13:24] what is the advantage? [13:24] I am running kde 4.4.3 [13:24] it makes things pretty [13:24] auska (~auska@20.Red-88-0-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Me'n vaig [13:24] oh [13:24] how? [13:24] transparent windows and shit? [13:24] bling. Yo DAWG stuff. [13:24] yeah [13:24] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:25] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [13:27] stunix (~stian@78-2-165-138.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:29] stunix (~stian@78-2-153-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] asarch (~asarch@189.188.155.10) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Nick change: fallen -> Guest67999 [13:30] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Guest67999 (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:31] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware. [13:31] sking : What graphic card do you have? [13:32] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Nick change: fallen_ -> fallen [13:32] ATI Radion HD 3400 [13:32] Nick change: emoh1neknosila -> alisonken1home [13:32] skin : It's better than X1250 that I have. [13:32] With X1250, compositing works. [13:33] and i think the fglrx driver ATI installs is screwing with compsite [13:33] sking : Why don't you use the open source radeon driver? [13:33] i thought i was obsolete since ATI started packaging their own [13:33] or so thats what google told me [13:34] sking : binary blobs are not very compatible with KMS. [13:34] Do nvidia cards work fine with linux? [13:34] sumati (sumati@82.178.69.227) left ##slackware. [13:34] yeah [13:34] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:34] i have never had an issue with using nvidia [13:34] hmm [13:34] and nvidia compiles the kernel modules at install [13:34] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-1-116.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Do nv(open source) and fglrx work fine? [13:35] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] fglrx is what im running with now& seems to be a pain [13:35] X sees compsite enabled [13:35] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:35] and then fglrx sees composite not enabled [13:35] later in the x startup process [13:36] i mean i dont' really need composite [13:36] its just nice cause i like shiney things [13:36] sking : Do both nv and fglrx work fine with nvidia cards? [13:37] not sure if fglrx runs on nvidia [13:37] its been about a year since ive had an nvidia card on linux [13:37] at my previous job i used mac [13:37] :p [13:37] hmm [13:37] sking : Why don't you buy a new nvidia graphic card? [13:37] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] cause this is a work provided computer, and work wont' buy me one [13:37] some dumb ass blew through our entire department budget before i got here [13:38] ? [13:38] someone in the management? [13:38] i dunno [13:38] Since nvidia cards are not expensive, you can buy one and use it. [13:39] they won't give me an aswer [13:39] eh, id rather not.... [13:39] HR is weird here, they get bitchy if we even move our chair [13:39] HR? [13:39] human resources [13:39] Do they compel you to use linux? [13:40] they let us run whatever we want [13:40] but their help desk will only support windows [13:40] however& i am above help desk, lol [13:40] so its like, gtfo of my way :p [13:40] That's much worse than not being able to upload the recent ibus-hangul just because I can't upload the recent version of libhangul. [13:40] wrong. [13:40] yeh [13:41] What's wrong? [13:41] but, this new driver at leasts allows hardware accelleration so that scrolling is no longer choppy [13:41] you can upload just state it requires xx version of libhangul [13:41] hmm.... [13:42] libhangul ... written by the brothers of the libpurple coder? yeez. some names are just ... you know. [13:42] hangul [13:42] hangul is the letter system of koreans. [13:42] libhangul is the hangul input method. [13:42] I may be the only korean hanging around here. [13:43] keke [13:43] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] jg71 : Not everyone using slackware is capable of packaging. How can I provide instructions for packaging libhangul 0.0.10? [13:44] Do I provide my own repository? [13:44] That could make sense once I have money to host a repository. [13:45] loafy-pottie (~loafy@72.84.97.42) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:45] you could right a slackbuild [13:45] right? [13:45] s/right/wright/? [13:45] oops [13:45] then it could be hosted on slackbuilds.org [13:45] write [13:45] *write :) [13:45] hmm [13:45] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] sorry, i just got up [13:45] what is the difference between slackbuilds and a slackware .tar.gz package? [13:45] I already submitted libhangul-0.0.10 to slackbuilds.org only to find out it was already in slackware. [13:46] and is rpm2tgz any good? [13:46] leontopod: a slackbuild is a script that will take the source and turn it into a slackware package [13:46] oh, cool [13:46] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [13:46] crocket: if it is already in slackware then why are you trying to make a package for it? [13:47] crocket: write a slackbuild for your app. if it needs a dependency, state it. thats all thats needed. tho, if the dep. is not on sbo, chances are itll get stalled until the maintainer of the dep gets his ass up or someone else (you?) takes over. [13:47] the procedure is quite simple. [13:47] zaltekk : libhangul-0.0.7(released in 2008) is in slackware, and the recent ibus-hangul requires the most recent version(0.0.10) of libhangul. [13:47] *the current version of the dep. [13:47] crocket: then i'd just use the slackbuild that is in the slackware source to compile it if necessary [13:48] I want to find a way to provide a slackbuild for libhangul-0.0.10. [13:48] zaltekk : It can't be used as is. [13:48] It will emit errors without modifications. [13:48] if all efforts failed, try mailing pat. at last resort, tho. [13:49] I sent an email to pat weeks ago, and there is no response. [13:49] not unusual. [13:49] I think he's too sick or too busy or not interested. [13:49] or theres an obvious solution [13:50] pat doesn't respond to every email he gets from a guy off the net [13:50] you should post to the lists [13:50] hmm [13:50] How can I suggest a new version of package that should be incorporated in the new version of slackware(13.2)? [13:50] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] libhangul has not been updated for 2 years. [13:51] i do believe there is a package maintainers list [13:51] I guess I have to upload libhangul0.0.10 to my web disk, and refer people to my web disk account. [13:51] or just tell alienBOB, he's never busy [13:51] ha [13:52] never busy means unemployed? [13:52] not really. [13:52] never busy translates to "frequently in here" [13:52] ok [13:52] He makes time [13:53] or that he's actually very busy buf still finds time to deal with humans [13:53] he likes a good laugh, yeah, so he comes in here to watch all the clowns. [13:53] including me? [13:53] well, that remains to be seen [13:53] i was talking in general. [13:53] being swamped with work, chat IS a relief of sorts [13:54] Skywise: you're feeling kind today, eh [13:54] can't swing a hammer every time [13:54] also, esp if you set up things, compilation takes time, so you got plenty opportunity to annoy noobs ;) [13:55] (i was talking about myself now, crocket) [13:56] They are quick to drop ibus-hangul and libhangul. [13:56] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@2001:5c0:1000:b::6749) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:57] If I refer people to libhangul-0.0.10 in my web disk, can I submit the recent ibus-hangul to slackbuilds.org? [13:57] No [13:58] jg71 said ibus-hangul can be accepted if I say libhangul0.0.10 is needed. [13:58] you can offer all of it on your "web disk" tho, crocket [13:58] jg71 : and people will never find it. [13:58] crocket: sbo admins cant build it. itd remain in pending [13:59] therefore put pressure on the dep's maintainer IF it's on sbo to get going, else try to get an update into stock slack. [13:59] that obviously only happens with new releases. [14:00] Then I put a pressure on the package list. [14:00] some local LUG might help [14:00] Slackware doesn't have LUG [14:00] (linux user group) [14:01] It's not major enough to have LUG in korea. [14:01] anyway [14:02] slackware users won't congregate [14:02] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Can a slackbuild package mention a dependency not in slackbuilds.org? [14:02] but one in somewhere else. [14:02] If you want to submit ibus-hangul to slackbuilds.org then you also have to submit all dependencies that are not part of Slackware crocket. However, packages that are already part of Slackware cannot be submitted to slackbuilds.org [14:02] well. but theres koreans around the world. as i understand it: theres some foo in stock slack thats outdated for your app to build. go get it an update request to pat for it and WHEN it's included, with the following release you can make your app contribution public via sbo [14:02] sometimes you can get slackware users going down the same path, but it won't be together or even at the same time [14:03] And telling people to download some newer version of a Slackware library file from a shady location won't do anybody any good [14:03] Your only option is to send an email to slackware asking for an update to the libhangul package [14:04] crocket: you can always roll your own. but going the sbo way with it is just not gonna happen [14:04] alienBOB : What would be the right email address? [14:04] You'll find one [14:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:04] PV is not very reponsive. [14:05] he's got a world to conquer [14:05] crocket: look at it this way. slack-current hasnt picked up yet, when it does, it's time to resend your request [14:05] it takes up alot of his time [14:05] He is busy, and will not always answer to emails, but he writes suggestions into his todo list [14:08] It seems "info@slackware.com" will answer my question. [14:08] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:09] nvision (~nvision@g229055003.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:20] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] crocket: i wouldnt bet on it, mr info is also unavailable at times [14:21] xsamurai : what? [14:21] mr.info responded to my last email. [14:21] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:22] info actually goes to the sales people from what i heard, and stuff very rarely gets forwarded to patrick [14:22] slackware has a sales dept ? [14:22] yeah, the people who run the store [14:23] i always thought it was 3rd party [14:24] im sure its volunteer or small pay [14:24] It is a 3rd party, yes, and no, not volunteer at all. [14:24] hmm [14:24] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@187.23.208.86) joined ##slackware. [14:25] It is what it is. [14:25] well, sort of 3rd party ... I guess it's a partnership between Pat and Bob Bruce, who runs the store (and several other enterprises.) [14:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:26] I'm not an insider, but that is what happened when "Slackware Linux, Inc." was spun off of BSDi/Walnut Creek CDROM in the WindRiver acquisition. [14:26] i wonder if there is an organizational chart of slackware [14:27] no, likely not :) [14:27] it is an org chart with one bubble [14:27] There is a chart! [14:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] kinda like this http://www.oreillynet.com/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/graphics/figure1.jpg ? [14:28] It is in a cave, but the cave is guarded by a creature most foul! With long, pointy teeth! [14:28] haha okkkk [14:28] Action: xsamurai hands Alan_Hicks some medicine for relating to movies no ones ever heard of [14:29] in the general public that would be true [14:29] The "team", many of whom are here, are volunteers, and really are only advisors. The bubble is Pat, and the store is separate. [14:29] now you rub that on your nipples twice a day and you'll back to your old self again [14:29] but this is a channel full of geeks and everyone has already recited the rest in their head [14:30] rob0: so what your trying to say is, if i want to move up in the slackware ladder I have to sleep with everybody in this channel ? [14:30] yes, but you have to start with the bot [14:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:31] and the bot outputs, but doesn't put out [14:31] xsamurai: The initiation rituals for higher levels do make use of citrus. That is all I can say. [14:31] :P [14:31] haha [14:32] I heard of all initiates, Alan_Hicks enjoyed it the most.. [14:32] margueritas, baby! [14:32] xsamurai, better men than you have done worse [14:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [14:33] sleep? [14:35] its an expression for having sex with [14:35] sleep 1s ... for once, sleep 2s twice, etc. [14:36] man... doesn't take y'all long to finish does it? [14:36] I see now how kde became the default DE for slackware [14:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@187.23.208.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:38] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:39] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:39] xsamurai, why is that? [14:40] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:42] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [14:43] <_slax0r_> Hi there [14:43] <_slax0r_> I have a Linksys WUSB100 ver.2 usb wlan adapter [14:43] <_slax0r_> I've compiled and loaded the driver [14:43] <_slax0r_> but I can't find the interface [14:43] <_slax0r_> and all guides state that it should "magically" appear [14:43] do you load the driver? [14:43] <_slax0r_> sure [14:44] well what do your logs say? you have logs right? [14:44] are you running linux? cause linux has logs. [14:44] what chipset is that? [14:44] <_slax0r_> rt2870 [14:44] are you running slackware? cause slack puts its logs in /var/log [14:44] doesn't that require firmware? [14:45] <_slax0r_> mancha [14:45] <_slax0r_> nothing much in the logs [14:45] <_slax0r_> just a section from dmesg [14:45] nothing much means nothing [14:45] <_slax0r_> and registered new driver rt2870 msg [14:45] i am after binary answers [14:45] <_slax0r_> 10110110 [14:46] <_slax0r_> binary enough? :P [14:46] messages exist (binary 1), messages don't exist (binary 0) [14:46] <_slax0r_> I told you [14:46] <_slax0r_> the "crap" you get when you connect an USB [14:46] "/sbin/ip link" shows what? (pastebin) [14:46] "not much" "not that many" "not a whole heckuva a lot" are for another universe [14:46] <_slax0r_> and then a registered driver [14:47] also "/sbin/iwconfig" [14:47] slax0r,you need the ralink driver [14:47] then modprobe rt2870sta [14:47] <_slax0r_> ip link: http://pastebin.com/gFb6nab9 [14:47] <_slax0r_> mancha I did that [14:48] <_slax0r_> rob0 iwconfig outputs nothing, just eth0 and lo that they aren't wireless capable [14:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:48] did you bring the link up? ifconfig ra0 up or whatever? [14:49] <_slax0r_> no such device [14:49] <_slax0r_> ifconfig -a shows only eth0 and lo [14:49] i want the fucking logs [14:49] <_slax0r_> could it be a crappy adapter? [14:49] <_slax0r_> cuz it's the same crap on 2 computers [14:49] when you modprobe the driver, you get logs. pastebin the logs or foreer hold your peace. [14:50] mancha take it ez , if you cant deal with his inefficiency to provide you the required information, dont help him [14:50] why do my fonts have any ugly white online? [14:50] foobarz: Can you please rephrase that in the form of English? [14:50] <_slax0r_> mancha this: Jun 23 20:47:00 firestation kernel: usbcore: deregistering interface driver rt2870 [14:50] <_slax0r_> Jun 23 20:47:05 firestation kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2870 [14:51] jac0b_ (~sixx@212.183.140.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:51] my fonts have an ugly white outline... how do I get rid of that outline effect? [14:51] more logs [14:51] <_slax0r_> after that [14:51] <_slax0r_> there's nothing [14:51] more logs [14:51] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:51] <_slax0r_> before that, there's a crapload of openvpn logs [14:51] ok how bout this. [14:51] you have no clue what logs are. so..... [14:51] remove the driver [14:51] modprobe it again [14:52] and paste the whole dmesg [14:52] <_slax0r_> http://pastebin.com/xWfWuLww [14:52] With USB, you can physically unplug it to get the same effect. [14:53] OK, you're not grokking me [14:53] i didn't say unplug the usb device [14:53] <_slax0r_> I didn't [14:53] i said rmmod the driver and modprobe the driver [14:53] <_slax0r_> rtusb exit [14:53] <_slax0r_> is the part from when I do modprobe -r [14:53] <_slax0r_> and rtusb init is when I modprobe it [14:54] ok [14:54] <_slax0r_> before that was a normal connect of the device [14:54] Can you test on another machine/another OS? [14:54] <_slax0r_> running linux only [14:54] <_slax0r_> I do have a ubuntu laptop that I haven't tried yet [14:55] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:55] foobarz: Fonts in what application? [14:55] all applications [14:56] slax0r you dl'd the firmware from ralink too right? [14:56] foobarz: This in X? [14:56] yes [14:56] It occurs in your terminals too? [14:57] Alan_Hicks: yes. fonts have a ghostly outline effect everywhere [14:57] foobarz: weird... what terminal emulator are you using? [14:57] <_slax0r_> tried on that laptop...doesn't work either [14:57] <_slax0r_> I downloaded only this: http://ubunturt2870.pbworks.com/f/2009_0820_RT2870_Linux_STA_V2.2.0.0.tar.bz2 [14:57] _slax0r_ did you dl firmware...? [14:58] eek pbworks? [14:58] why not ralink.com? [14:58] good afta noon Alan. [14:58] Alan_Hicks: I run slackware64 13.1 current. All the KDE stuff, konsole etc [14:58] <_slax0r_> I searched on google and this came up [14:58] <_slax0r_> :P [14:58] XGizzmo: howdy [14:58] heh. ok let's try new driveras and formware [14:59] http://www.ralinktech.com/license_us.php?n=2&p=0&t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1EQTVMekV5THpFMUwyUnZkMjVzYjJGa05UYzBNVFExTkRNNU5TNWllakk5UFQxU1ZESTROekJmVEdsdWRYaFRWRUZmVmpJdU15NHdMakF1ZEdGeUxuUmhjZz09Qw%3D%3D [14:59] <_slax0r_> downloading already [14:59] <_slax0r_> will try and be back [15:00] http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 [15:00] gh0st (1000@129.8.234.172) joined ##slackware. [15:00] slax0r, #7 looks like the driver and the next to last looks like your firmware [15:00] do commands added to xinitrc need the 'exec' in front of them? [15:01] <_slax0r_> I know...downloaded already [15:01] <_slax0r_> I'll be back in a sec [15:01] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:02] <_slax0r_> errr [15:02] <_slax0r_> where do I need to put the bin? [15:03] gh0st (1000@129.8.234.172) left irc: Client Quit [15:03] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.30) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [15:05] not sure, do you have an /etc/wireless file that looks relevant? [15:07] most firmware gets checked in /lib/firmware btw [15:08] <_slax0r_> I have a /etc/Wireless/RT2870STA dir which contains a RT2870STA.dat file [15:08] <_slax0r_> I'll go with /lib/firmware then [15:09] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7ED65.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rt2800usb [15:10] I have a /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin in 13.1 [15:11] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:11] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] <_slax0r_> mancha still the same [15:13] pnq (asdf@AC81D329.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:13] I'm guessing it's a lemon. [15:14] <_slax0r_> why the hell do I care [15:14] <_slax0r_> it's not for me even [15:14] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:14] <_slax0r_> I'll tell the guy it's a bust, and to go buy another that works with rt2500 [15:14] <_slax0r_> :P [15:19] leontopod (~leontopod@intertwingled.net) left irc: Quit: Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer [15:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host180-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:21] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] slack 13.1 DVD just arrived :) [15:21] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [15:22] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[15:38] j4son (~j4son@j4son.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:39] slaxor what it's in RT2870STA.dat? [15:39] eek [15:39] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:39] what's in RT2870STA.dat, i meant [15:40] <_slax0r_> err...dunno, I already sent the guy home and told him his usb adapter was crappy [15:40] <_slax0r_> :P [15:41] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:44] heh [15:47] ricardobarbosa (~ricardoba@187.4.64.183) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:48] if jack bauer was in 300 it would be renamed "1" [15:50] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [15:52] ruben23 (~ITadmin@125.212.40.2) joined ##slackware. [15:53] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.7.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:54] hi i have directory /va/spool/monitor/ on my 1st HDD now i added 2nd HDD and i want to used part of my 2nd HDD to that directory since its getting full, how do i do it [15:54] any ideas [15:54] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:54] the 1st HDD is not LVM [15:55] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.7.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:55] just coy sirectory contents in the new hdd and mount it in the right directory [15:55] s/coy/copy/ [15:55] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [15:58] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:58] CtrlAltCa: the directory have huge files in it..thats why i need HDD 2 to be able to divert the storage [15:58] uva (as@111-240-206-115.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] stop any process that write to that directory [15:59] mount hdd2 in a temp directory and move the files in hdd2 [15:59] then, unmount it and remount it in /var/spool/monitor [15:59] hmm nvidia changed the way the distribute their blob. no more pkg[0-2] [15:59] (adding a proper entry to /etc/fstab would be a good idea) [16:00] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:00] CtrlAltCa:but should i copy alos the content of /var/spool/monitor/ on my 1st HDD to 2nd HDD.. [16:00] how about the size it occoupies will be transfer to HDD2 [16:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] oh yes, well.. i don't know no other safe solution if you're not using lvm.. unsafe solution.. create a raid0 using the 2 drives [16:03] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:03] CtrlAltCa:whats your puspose of copying..? [16:04] Slakinit (~quinton@41.123.158.3) joined ##slackware. [16:05] use hdd2 as a container for the /var/spool/monitor/ directory (you need to copy/move old data to it); this will free your hdd1 from that data [16:06] Nick change: fallen -> Guest21730 [16:07] whast the command to move huge file form 1st HDD to 2nd HDD..? [16:07] fallen_ (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [16:07] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:07] ruben23: mv [16:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429112.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:08] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:08] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429112.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ananke: but its huge..like aroung 40 Gb [16:08] ruben23: and? [16:08] it will just take a huge time :) [16:08] ruben23: is there an issue with mv? [16:09] ow ok, i have think about xarg parameters [16:09] not sure what xarg has to do with it [16:09] Use rsync instead ruben23 [16:09] ok ill used rsync, but what about the parameter..? to copy..any sample [16:10] Guest21730 (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:10] how will i identify the target directory whihc is my HDD2 [16:10] -av is a good start [16:10] mount it some place [16:10] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:10] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] yes i monut it on /mnt/tmp [16:11] j0z (unix@189.114.191.187) joined ##slackware. [16:11] j0z (unix@189.114.191.187) left irc: Changing host [16:11] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:14] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.55.142) joined ##slackware. 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[16:34] no in the kernel [16:34] when configuring a custom kernel [16:35] oh; not sure then - i've never set it explicitely in the kernel [16:35] I'd guess /dev/sdb3 is fine [16:36] mmm i have used the option without the inv commas and the laptop does not suspend to disk [16:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:36] its just a pia to recompile all the time [16:36] :) [16:37] although suspend to ram works ok [16:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:39] Aseem to have 3 procesors running [16:40] i only have a dual core [16:40] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. 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[19:10] hi [19:10] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:10] Anyone know why I would be getting permission errors when tring to run my perl script with crontab? [19:11] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-198-1.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:11] As a normal user and it will run if cd into the directory [19:11] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.69.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:11] what's your crontab line? [19:13] */10 * * * * /home/matt/boltbot/pisg-0.72/pisg [19:13] and it's +x ? [19:13] yes it is [19:14] It runs fine manually [19:14] you could try /usr/bin/perl /home/matt/boltbot/pisg-0.72/pisg [19:14] what's the actual error you get? [19:15] permission denied though i will try what evid says [19:15] full error [19:16] wharncliffe (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] #!/usr/bin/perl is in the top of the script [19:16] sec [19:18] how does X configure itself these days in Slackware? [19:18] why don't I have to run xorgconfig any more? [19:18] where is the X config file stored? [19:18] if at all? [19:18] X autoconfigures itself [19:18] /etc/X11/xorg.conf can still be used though [19:18] slackware now comes with elves [19:18] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] HAL configures Xorg automatically. [19:19] unless it decides it can't do that [19:19] sure [19:19] Action: maco blinks [19:19] and the latest xorg uses udev instead of HAL [19:20] I got the script to work thanks for the help [19:20] just stay away from the airlock [19:20] mako-sama and mako... do or don't have anything to do with each other? [19:20] */1 * * * * /usr/bin/perl -w /home~etc/pisg pisg.cnf [19:20] works [19:20] maco: mako from debian? that's another person :P [19:21] mako-sama: ok, just checking [19:21] mako-sama: he and i are a constant source of confusion [19:21] (and then there were three) [19:21] :) [19:21] also, he sorta lived in japan for a while and is married to a japanese woman, so a japanese title...wouldnt seem out of place [19:23] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: No route to host [19:24] he reigstered his nickname on freenode (back when it was openprojects) just few months before I knew about the network ~_~ [19:24] it's actually his real name too [19:24] well his middle name [19:25] ah [19:29] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:29] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] I haven't talked with him more than once or twice.. and that was back he was still using efnet [19:36] since there is no nickserv there, the nickname 'mako' was being used by me and him depending on who gets it first... there were others (mostly anime leechers) who use the nickname every now and then as well [19:36] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:38] i live in ubuntuland usually (though after meeting a handful of folks here last week, i'm planning on installing slackware on a spare machine when the spare goes back to being a spare (my primary is being fixed)) so i run into him at real life stuff a bunch [19:39] or provide sleeping-bag-space when he's in town [19:41] sking (~sking@nat-jsq-adm.advance.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:42] ShKoDrAnI (~ardit24@cpe-95-107-197-85.wifi.tring.al) joined ##slackware. [19:42] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:42] vianna (c90262bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.2.98.188) joined ##slackware. [19:43] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:44] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] You met Alan_Hicks and you came in here anyway? [19:45] SupxItzxJake (63b39846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.179.152.70) joined ##slackware. [19:45] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:45] hey guys, what filesystem do you guys suggest for the boot partition? [19:46] I use ext2 for /boot, and keep it pretty small. [19:46] johndee (~id@93-81-139-102.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:46] mines 100mb [19:47] yeah, mine are usually smaller than that, even, but that will give you lots of room for multiple kernels. [19:47] i didnt know if ext3 would be any better [19:47] nope, just wastes spce [19:47] so ext2 will be good? [19:47] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] you don't normally have any files open in /boot [19:48] alright, sounds good [19:48] but i got one more question [19:48] You strictly speaking do not NEED a separate /boot, it's just a little luxury. [19:49] rob0: yeah well i met vbatts and raela and NaCl too... they overshadowed him ;-) [19:50] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.42) joined ##slackware. [19:50] I ran into a *need* for it on a semi-modern lappy - my T30 requires it. Well, I worked around it by copying the kernel and initrd images over and over until finally they wound up in the early drive sectors [19:50] maco: good thing I wasn't there too ;-) [19:50] haha [19:51] I like a separate /boot for multi-booting Linuxes, although I generally only do that when upgrading. [19:51] i'm trying to make gentoo work one more time, but if i can't, i want to try slackware. i'm in that "try every distro ever created until i find one i like" phase. if i wanted to use it as just as a desktop computer, not anything else really, like a gnome computer or kde one. what disk should i use to install? or should i just use the dvd? [19:51] chainload ftw [19:51] SupxItzxJake: yeah, the dvd [19:51] maco: you met XGizzmo here, too, I believe [19:51] rworkman: would you have been on the vbatts/raela/NaCl side of the equation or Alan_Hicks's side? [19:51] and do a full install [19:51] alear: which one's s/he? [19:52] yes [19:52] maco: david somero [19:52] maco: I'm not sure. Probably Batts :) [19:52] met maco at self 09 [19:52] rworkman: I kept getting told that you're like Alan_Hicks, except a bit less... Alan_Hicks [19:52] indeed. [19:52] not quite as.. 'free' with your words :) [19:52] ha, perhaps so :) [19:52] haha [19:52] Alan_Hicks did get points for saying he'd hogtie someone [19:52] and much better looking. [19:53] haha [19:53] and yet you didn't make it to SELF.. tsk tsk [19:53] thanks rworkman =D [19:53] Alan_Hicks thinks he's good looking! [19:53] rob0: doesn't mean the rest of the ladyfolk do! [19:53] Well, I didn't feel comfortable leaving my wife with a 12 day old infant and an almost-three year old alone. [19:54] No geek conference is worth mylife. [19:54] bah, excuses.. could've introduced linux early on [19:54] but yeah, it's understandable [19:54] XGizzmo: gonna need a flickr link to trigger my memory [19:54] maco ok [19:54] oh, i carpooled to self with klaatu and MrJackson too [19:54] maco, go figure, /dev/wife and /dev/daughter/* think Alan_Hicks is good looking. [19:55] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.50) joined ##slackware. [19:55] haha uh oh.. [19:55] rob0: what's in your water? [19:55] maco: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=100446&id=626157422&l=d60ee37d6c <-- he's in some of these from 2009 [19:55] Action: MrJackson didnt know maco was in here too [19:55] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2451007&l=e1326b9c48&id=626157422 [19:55] pnq (asdf@ACA3AEFA.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Action: MrJackson waves [19:56] Action: maco waves back [19:56] SupxItzxJake (63b39846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.179.152.70) left ##slackware. [19:56] SupxItzxJake (63b39846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.179.152.70) joined ##slackware. [19:56] thanks robby [19:56] :) [19:56] maco, two of the three daughters don't live here, so I doubt it's the water! [19:56] I think you're drunk in that one, XGizzmo :D [19:56] XGizzmo: oh yes ive seen you before :) [19:56] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:56] lol [19:57] maco, is that crochet? [19:57] rob0: yes [19:57] /dev/wife and the youngest daughter are both crocheters [19:58] made some cool stuff [19:58] vbatts and i went to the new nova hackerspace and now there's a photo of me crocheting as the first project in the space [19:58] knitt one, pearl two [19:58] mancha: knit != crochet [19:58] lol [19:58] and s/pearl/purl/ [19:58] there was a crochet lesson on the way to SELF [19:58] haha I always piss her off by saying "knit" too [19:58] sbsdoze (spookywo0k@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: [19:59] gosh thats like asking about how to process text with pearl! [19:59] ubuntu men are very tough, they know how to knit and stuff! [19:59] hehehe yeah i was explaining the theory of crochet to klaatu [19:59] mancha: i'm a woman [19:59] why are you out of the kitchen? [19:59] A very tough one, mind you. :) [19:59] because my software paradigms class isn't held in a kitchen? [20:00] :> [20:00] refridgerators have tv's, why can't stoves have somputers [20:01] MrJackson: i think technically they do...very basic ones, but i suspect there's some sort of cpu involved in the timer, for example [20:01] Action: MrJackson takes away his keyboard till he learsnt o type better [20:01] every time i try to bake something i get a segfault [20:01] well if it has a digital display, not one of those really old ones with knobs [20:01] I want a range with a built-in aquarium, so we can have fresh boiled fish when they get big enough. [20:02] rob0: lol best idea ever [20:02] deep fried goldfish - yum! [20:02] i want to make those little neon tetra suflay [20:03] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:03] pnq (asdf@ACA3AEFA.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:03] seen those aquarium PCs? [20:04] _13h (7a74eb5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.116.235.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:04] seen those PCs in aquariums? [20:05] http://cdn.pugetsystems.com/images/submersion/thumbs/Submerged006.jpg [20:06] i guess they don't work too well [20:06] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.55.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:07] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:08] I've seen aquarium screensavers, does that count? [20:10] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [20:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:13] Nick change: hitest -> tsetih [20:14] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:18] vianna (c90262bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.2.98.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:18] rob0: only if its the salt water ones [20:19] you could have found a bigger picture you know... [20:19] http://cdn.pugetsystems.com/images/submersion/gallery/Submerged002.jpg [20:19] it took me a second to find it. :| [20:19] and it's on the same website. [20:19] yay for tiny thumbnails [20:19] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:19] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:19] they use mineral oil it seems. [20:20] yep. since it conducts heat, but not electricity [20:20] Fish don't like that. [20:20] pnq (asdf@ACA24D8D.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] 3m also has some outstanding liquid for that purpose [20:20] yeah, that was also incorrect, it's not an aquarium at all. [20:20] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] ananke: oh yeah, i think i've seen what you're talking about before. [20:21] Azalyn: coffee pot? [20:21] 'flourinert' [20:21] yeah! [20:21] that's it, ananke. [20:21] Now, if we could train fish to swim in vegetable oil ... and then roll in cornmeal ... [20:21] i saw one site that used that, *along* with liquid nitrogen. lol [20:21] the flourinert turned into some kind of gel after awhile [20:22] because of how cold it was [20:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:22] http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/submersion/submersion.html [20:23] Nick change: tsetih -> hitest [20:23] hubbe (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:23] i wouldn't want a pc i have to drain to change a component [20:25] banditman (~djt@92.14.123.247) joined ##slackware. [20:25] maybe you don't have to. [20:26] if the board is attached to the lid, there could be a 'sliding' mechanism [20:26] that slides upwards [20:27] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-120.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:27] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [20:27] Action: ananke can't remember last time he had to change any component inside a computer [20:27] the last component i changed was the case itself. :) [20:27] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:28] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.50) joined ##slackware. [20:28] video or sound cards [20:28] people still use sound cards? :) [20:28] ananke: I upgrade video cards all the time. [20:28] sound cards? sounds so 1995 [20:29] power supplies [20:29] power supplies? ouch [20:29] as for gpu's, both intel and amd are fixing to merge the cpu and gpu. so that will probably also become less of a big deal in the future. [20:30] GArik_ (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:30] banditman (djt@92.14.123.247) left ##slackware. [20:30] i'm glad the necessity of dorking around with components are over [20:30] some people still use sound cards... some onboard sound chips still can't eliminate noise [20:30] everything will move to sys-on-chips at some point. even on the desktop. [20:31] i think discrete audio, especially creative's line, is more marketing than anything else... [20:31] like a sheeva or guruplug [20:31] i prefer turtle beach anyway [20:32] *especially* when you consider EAX. there's no technical reason why EAX couldn't run on something else, but it's proprietary software, so they restrict it to their cards. [20:32] Azalyn: I don't use creative's products [20:32] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) joined ##slackware. [20:32] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:32] mako-sama: the rest of the sound cards out there are mostly pro audio though, no? which is another story entirely. [20:33] Azalyn: you're the same Azalyn from undernet/efnet. right? [20:33] you don't need a sound card if you're using digital out thru hdmi [20:33] you sound the same so I just want to make sure :P [20:33] hey all, i accidentally hosed a hard drive (fat fingered) and am restoring from backups. i see my sda1 copy (dd copy of windows partition) that according to ls -l is 27916568064 but according to ls -lh is 26G. my question is how big do i make the new sda1 partition so that i get the size right? [20:33] the last computer i put together had hdmi out on the motherboard...no point in a soundcard [20:33] i haven't been on efnet for eons. [20:33] but if you have analog speakers off your pc, then a sound card can make better sound [20:33] but yes, i am on undernet. [20:34] the last time i was on efnet might be like 5 years or more. [20:34] oh my Delahunt did you save the partition table? [20:34] Azalyn: mako here from anitrader :P [20:34] efnet has been such a zoo [20:34] i don't remember a mako, but i remember the channel. :P [20:34] hehe [20:35] did you have another nick? [20:35] If you didn;t save the partition table, you might not be able to restoe an image. [20:35] i just opened up a food product that has an expiration date that includes a day of the month and an hour [20:35] Azalyn: mako/mako-sama/shin [20:35] March 12 2011 10:15AM [20:35] rob0, no i did not [20:35] the hell's up with that? [20:35] is there a way to do a bare iron restore from back up with pxe? [20:36] hm, yeah, it does kind of ring a bell. [20:36] the channels disappeared gradually. [20:36] i remember arkival, zinguvok, and uh.. that socks guy.. [20:36] raye? or something.. [20:37] Delahunt, do you remember the partition sizes? If not you might be stuck with trial and error. [20:37] there was raye.. tetsu and the bot [20:38] oh yeah, tetsu. i remember him tetsubo right? or something [20:38] the bot was tima [20:38] lol [20:38] yeah [20:38] from metropolis [20:38] tima was a riot. [20:38] rob0, i don't [20:39] they totally confused the hell of it by spamming it with it's own nick.. and then it would say things like "tima do you have the tima tima of the tima tima tima in tima with tima tima?" [20:39] her AI needed alot of work [20:40] i don't know about that, i found it entertaining. :) [20:40] and the ftp was useless too... tetsu filled with erocg :P [20:40] but I totally agree, it was entertaining [20:40] Delahunt, cfdisk lets you toggle units displayed, so it might be easy to guess. [20:41] i wish i had the code for that bot. i'd like to set it up for old times sake. [20:41] email tetsu :p [20:42] feh, you think i have their emails? [20:42] a relative of elisa? [20:42] Azalyn: I'd have it in the chan logs if he ever posted it there [20:43] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] i may have those logs myself. on one of the 20 hard drives on the shelves. :| [20:43] i've been meaning to organize my data forever, but you know how it is. always putting it off to the next day. heh [20:44] is there an http download of the iso, or is it all torrent now [20:44] yeah [20:44] aryr100 (~aryr100@64.132.183.186) joined ##slackware. [20:44] mako-sama: were you using linux even back then? or is your interest in it more recent? [20:45] mako-sama: yes what? [20:46] Azalyn: i've been using linux since 1999 but only on a test box.. I started using it on my desktop in 2002 [20:46] but I've been using it on my router (which i'm still using right now btw) since 1999 :P [20:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:47] scorp helped me alot when I was starting [20:47] EvanR: sorry, I was talking to Azalyn [20:47] ah [20:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:47] oh yeah! scorpius, i remember him too, he started his own channel or something right? [20:47] there was some controversy [20:48] between him and the regulars [20:48] or some crap. [20:48] some drama. [20:48] drama on irc? nevar [20:48] i know, rite? [20:49] EvanR: Yes it is available through HTTP, FTP, BitTorrent, and rsync. [20:49] i had a dual-boot in 2000 i think. i got my first computer in december 1999 or about there. but even before getting it, a friend had told me about it. and how it hardly ever crashed the way windows does. [20:49] so merely a few months after getting my pc, i bought mandrake 7.0 in stores. [20:51] managed to setup a dualboot without nuking windows (back then it was common to partition incorrectly and wipe it, happened to a friend that i lent the disc to) [20:51] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a83-132-66-4.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Mel-nix: my arch system somehow just busted and nothing linked against libpng or libjpeg will run, and lynx is an unusable steaming pile. can i have a link to a slackware disc to wget :) [20:52] but honestly, i didn't learn much, because it was mostly GUI stuff, i suppose i learned a bit about the commands and what not, but still, not much. it's when i downloaded slackware 7.1, that my learning experience had a sharp upwards spike. [20:52] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:53] EvanR, no, that won't teach you anything :> [20:53] i learned more in a week on slackware than the few months on mandrake. [20:54] Azalyn: scorp hated slackware with passion :P [20:54] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:54] >_< [20:54] hubbe (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:54] lulz. i wonder why. back then package management wasn't as big a deal as it is today. [20:55] Azalyn: for him, redhat was god [20:55] EvanR: when you say lynx is a steaming pile, are you saying it won't run? or you don't know how to navigate with it? [20:55] mako-sama: ew. [20:55] it runs [20:55] There's also links(1). [20:56] rob0: is links included? [20:56] Azalyn: I know... redhat was my nighmare.. he always criticized me for using slack -_- [20:56] Azalyn: you saying it has capability to be non unusable? [20:56] lynx is great for pr0n [20:57] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] lynx is usable.. just learn how to use it [20:57] i do need to learn how to use it, then [20:57] links is better than lynx. [20:57] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [20:58] EvanR: if you read what i said before, just now. one of the reasons i learned so much in that one week on slackware, was because i was stuck in console without X, for the week. and was trying to get X working. [20:58] Nick change: xovan -> navox [20:58] you better believe that lynx was useful to me during that week. [20:58] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.156) joined ##slackware. [20:59] lynx is how i was able to get a command-line aim client as i recall, to keep in touch, while i figure out how to fix X11 [20:59] I broke X in mandrake then switched to slack and didn't install it. I used the hell out of links [20:59] not cli, but ncurses console. [20:59] yeah i installed most of linux from scratch with it, but its default nav mode didnt make me look for hidden controls [20:59] is there a new flash plugin for links yet? [21:00] yeah, naim is great :) though I've since switched to bitlbee and that works well for aim [21:00] the topic in this channel links to slackware.com/getslack [21:00] Action: vbatts missed the conversation where maco, rworkman and rob0 talked about him :( [21:00] what? links+flash? :P [21:00] if you open that in lynx, you can select a mirror. [21:00] vbatts: it's okay, nothing -too- bad was said [21:00] mancha: flash plugin for links??? [21:01] aryr100 (~aryr100@64.132.183.186) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:01] hmm, i could've heped with that :) [21:01] yah [21:01] i want all my flash pr0n rendered with libcaca [21:02] links has a gui mode... (run it with -g) [21:02] ShKoDrAnI (~ardit24@cpe-95-107-197-85.wifi.tring.al) left irc: [21:02] that needs svgalib innit? [21:02] yes, and browse the web like it's 1995. [21:02] mancha: no... it runs in X [21:03] mako i think it needs access to /dev/svga [21:03] try it, tell me if it works for you [21:03] ah no.. you're talking about when links runs its own GUI without X [21:03] Azalyn: been looking through the trees for 15 minutes now [21:04] each time i do this, i cant find the isos, eventually i do. i dont know why this phenomenon occurs [21:04] :| [21:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [21:04] maybe because the slackware-XXX-iso dir doesnt contain isos [21:04] ok ok, there's several ways to have links usable in "X" ? [21:04] i was only aware of it using svgas... [21:05] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:05] jhw_ (~jhw@p4FC8D493.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] you could install a console bittorrent client. [21:05] :) [21:05] mako-sama, have you tried to do it? links -g in a term? [21:06] EvanR: you can use ftp or ask someone to give you a direct link [21:06] now i remember [21:06] most mirrors dont have the isos, and i always resort to a torrent. eureka [21:06] mako-sama: that's what he did. and someone told him no because he won't learn or something. [21:06] PVFarm (~fwb2355@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] mancha: I have, long time ago. but iirc, slackware doesn't compile the x driver by default [21:07] prolly not, you will only get svga and maybe a framebuffer... [21:07] PVFarm (fwb2355@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware. [21:07] yeah [21:07] first is broked and second, well who knows about fb's anyways [21:07] I had to recompile to use it in X [21:07] oh pat does a "disable-x" or similar? [21:08] seesaw (~seesaw@unaffiliated/seesaw) joined ##slackware. [21:08] I don't know.. I think you need to explicitly enable x when you configure the source [21:09] jhw (~jhw@p57982F11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:10] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Azalyn: just to clear a bit of my memory.. you remember gtakito, right? my memory is blurry here, but iirc you were with him when he formed k-f.. am I remembering things right? [21:11] yes. [21:12] aha... :) [21:12] i was an operator at that channel. [21:12] yup [21:12] and I remember a discussion on k-crew when you were strongly advocating moving to efnet... hehe [21:13] i don't remember that. [21:13] oh I do :P [21:13] maybe it was when aniverse banned us or something. [21:13] it was [21:14] because gtakito guessed whats-his-name's nickserv password. [21:14] PVFarm (~fwb2355@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] and tookover their channel [21:14] his password was his nick with a 1 at the end or something. :| [21:14] :| [21:14] Action: EvanR quickly changes his password [21:15] i forgot who that guy was, it was the owner of some rival subbing group or something [21:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.154) joined ##slackware. [21:15] coming from efnet/undernet background he thought they'll laugh and let it pass ~_~ [21:15] rob0, ping [21:15] sir [21:15] well, they did unban us at one point. one of the mods was 'Ukyo' as i recall. maybe even owner of the network, i forgot. [21:15] he came to the undernet channel, where we were temporarily [21:16] ukyo was the owner, right [21:16] you know those pictures where you would change the url string, and it would make an image with the text? [21:16] ukyo is usually very nice though [21:16] ah.. yeah [21:17] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [21:17] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] rob0, found a copy of fdisk for both the raw partition table and the partition information [21:17] anyways, gtakito found one with a girl flashing her breasts with a sign. and he made the sign say "please unban us, ukyo" or something like that... [21:17] and gave it to ukyo, telling him it was me. :| [21:17] oh great, that will help a lot [21:17] athough how i made a raw copy of the partition table, i have no clue, but it's there [21:17] lol [21:17] so what the heck do i do now? [21:17] hahhhahha [21:18] A raw partition table? A 512-byte file? [21:18] dam... where was I when that happend? :D [21:18] 1.8k [21:18] um, no [21:18] the first 512 are iirc mbr [21:18] he eventually knew it wasn't me, but still unbanned us, i guess he warmed up to us. [21:18] unless maybe that is sfdisk(8) instructions [21:18] the first 512 include the partition table [21:19] but then aniverse died or something, and they moved to rizon. [21:19] from 447-512 is part, iirc [21:19] hi [21:19] hi [21:19] Azalyn: aniverse is still very much alive though.. [21:19] You save a partition table (part of MBR) by dd'ing the first 512 bytes of the disk. [21:19] yeah, it's died a few times... [21:19] and come back. [21:19] anyways, so ... i know nr af hd sec cyl hd sec cyl start size and ID [21:19] :| [21:19] You restore one the same way. [21:19] okay [21:20] this channel have an user nicked s_dava slava i dont remember [21:20] that should help [21:20] anyone meet him? [21:20] Azalyn: it didn't die. it was just being bombed [21:20] feh, whatever. [21:20] slava_dp [21:20] although size don't match the dd image [21:20] thats! [21:20] i wonder if it's older [21:20] ruben23 (~ITadmin@125.212.40.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:20] just like mircx [21:20] well nevermind neither do [21:20] i lied, offset 446-509 is the partition table [21:20] the downtime was bad enough that pretty much all the anime groups moved to rizon en-masse. [21:20] hi is not online :( [21:20] size is wrong my fault [21:21] i think it's good [21:21] that is 64 bytes if my matherolas ain't crap [21:21] anyone have slava_dp msn contact? [21:21] Azalyn: yeah... most groups moved to rizon and other weird-named networks [21:21] some moved to dalnet. lulz, losers. [21:22] I dont' know how long rizon will last... considering what happened before... dalnet -> mircx -> aniverse -> and now rizon [21:22] somebidy have zoneminder working on slackware 13? [21:22] somebody* [21:22] Chymera1 (~chymera@mnhm-5f75f39c.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] I'm surprised dalnet is still alive.. it went through some really rough times [21:22] hm, were we on mircx ? [21:23] it always ends with the network being bombed until everyone move to another network [21:23] maybe that's when i objected and argued for efnet. [21:23] rob0, so what next? [21:23] I once had a 15 minute ping on dal. made for an odd night of attempted conversation [21:23] i would be vehemently opposed to be on a network called "mircx" heh [21:23] :P [21:24] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:24] i'm not talking about k-f here... anime groups generally have moved from one network to another and all of them got bombed [21:24] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [21:24] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:24] heh. originally rizon was just one server right? not sure what it is now. [21:24] it's kinda big now... not less than 5 servers active [21:25] damm zoneminder :( [21:25] but the one server was originally an advantage, no netsplits. heh. [21:26] it was one *massive* server. [21:26] one server couldn't handle all the new users [21:26] hi guys, could you give me a hand with a xorg issue I'm having over here? for some reason my x server freezes some 8 secs after I start it (during launch) and I can't figure out what happened --- here's the nasty stuff in my xorg.0.log http://paste.pocoo.org/show/229205/ [21:26] i think it was operated by some wealthy guy named cjb. [21:27] Azalyn: now... you're talking about mircx [21:27] orly? [21:27] cjb was the rich guy [21:27] cjb.. if you remember cjb.net/cjb.com :P [21:28] hm, really? i thought that was just a coincidence. so they were really related? [21:28] that was him.. he invited groups to mircx when aniverse got bombed.. many groups thought he was behind the attacks [21:28] then mircx got bombed too [21:28] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.7.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:29] what does bombed mean [21:29] DDoS [21:29] ddos attackes [21:29] ah [21:29] -e [21:29] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Chymera1: Are you on a clean install? [21:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Mel-nix: what do you mean by that? but I wouldn't call my system clean [21:32] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:33] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:33] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:33] Chymera1: I meant, did you install all the (necessary) packages? Did you (accidentally) remove a package or delete a system file or library? [21:33] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Mel-nix: nope, actually I'm a gentoo user, but I'm not getting much help in our channel at this time. As far as I know it happened out of the blue, literally. I started my system in the morning, did some browsing, wrote some tex stuff, my mail client crashed and behaved abnormaly after re-start, so I decided to restart the thing, and now I can't get into x :-/ [21:36] do you have any idea what I can do about the dri errors? [21:37] Chymera1: better duck [21:37] EvanR: why? [21:37] first thing you should do is say you arent on slackware ;) [21:37] not in the middle [21:38] people will flame you [21:38] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:39] EvanR: sry, I thought it would't make much of a difference... anyway, it's not nice to flame :/ [21:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] nah.. usualy no one will flame you here [21:44] PVFarm (fwb2355@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware. [21:44] that must be new [21:44] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [21:45] Chymera1: How do you get into X? [21:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [21:46] PVFarm (~fwb2355@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:58] Mel-nix: actually I could have tried sysreq now that I think about it :-/ [21:58] Chymera1: what version of slackware is this? [21:58] mercfate, your name is too much like Mel-nix [21:59] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.22) joined ##slackware. [21:59] thumbs: not slackware, gentoo - as I said, sry to bother you guys, but I'm not really getting much help in my channel on this one [21:59] Chymera1, i just use sternly worded threats [21:59] Chymera1, did you get lost? [22:00] edman007, ? [22:00] mercfate, tab complete fail ;) [22:01] you can help with zoneminder? no? then =x, right? [22:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:01] hey guys [22:01] hi [22:01] Chymera1: When you re-boot like that, certain processes have no time to write to disk and problems occur. [22:02] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:02] Mel-nix: would sysreq be any better? [22:02] Chymera1: Are you able to start X as another user? [22:02] Mel-nix: the thing is I tried to open a new consloe.... but as I said, frozen solid :-/ [22:02] Mel-nix: I am able to start x as root [22:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:03] Chymera1: What is your kernel version? [22:03] say I just run OpenBox is all, like it all nice and light weight, but I do like some GUI apps as long as they are light too, so I've been trying to find out if there is anything in the way of a decent GUI cd/dvd burner app? I thought I might be able to use Xfburn but I see I need some xfce for it. For now all I can think of is Graveman, but that project seems dead... [22:03] but that's barebones x, no desktop manager or anyting [22:03] 2.6.33 [22:04] Mel-nix: [22:04] Chymera1: I fear that you must have corrupted your local configuration files: ~/.* Delete some of them and see what happens. [22:05] Xgates: the cli burners aren't that hard to use.. [22:05] Mel-nix: ouch, what led you to that conclusion? [22:06] yeah I know, I've been using cli for 10 years I can handle it, it's just that for some things I like a GUI and I do some pretty elaborate stuff with cd/dvd that I want a GUI app for it [22:06] navox (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:06] all these years Linux has been around and we still don't have a decent light weight cd/dvd app, errrr :( [22:06] Chymera1: It happens with me sometimes, when my X session crashes: Things like WM, etc. behave strangely. So delete the appropriate local configuration files and things get better. [22:08] how do I bulk copy all my .* files to a backup folder? [22:08] Mel-nix: ? [22:08] cp? [22:08] Chymera1: cp [22:08] cp ~/.* ~/lala/ should do it? [22:08] Batle with X [22:09] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:09] Battle* [22:09] Chymera1: tias. [22:10] ls doesn't show hidden files, right? [22:11] no [22:11] forget I said that [22:11] :P [22:11] hidden is ls -a [22:12] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-120.dial.telus.net) got netsplit. [22:12] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429112.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [22:12] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) got netsplit. [22:12] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) got netsplit. [22:12] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.53.184) got netsplit. [22:12] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit. [22:12] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) got netsplit. [22:12] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got netsplit. [22:12] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) got netsplit. [22:12] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) got netsplit. [22:12] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) got netsplit. [22:12] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) got netsplit. [22:12] trf (1000@shiva.norgrind.net) got netsplit. [22:12] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) got netsplit. 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[22:40] hello! just installed 13.1 [22:41] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.50) joined ##slackware. [22:41] much reponsive the new KDE 4.4.x [22:41] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [22:41] wow, i'll tell the guys its ok to try it out then [22:43] my box is old :) but faithfull [22:43] what happened to Chymera1 ? [22:44] in slack 13 I rolled back to kde 3.5.6 [22:44] in slack 13 I rolled back to kde 3.5.x [22:45] j0z (unix@189.114.232.248.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:45] j0z (unix@189.114.232.248.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [22:45] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [22:46] the only problem I get is w amarok/noatun/dragon donīt get any sound. Any tips? [22:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:46] I think has to do with phono backend. Audacious and xine works [22:47] SupxItzxJake (63b39846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.179.152.70) left irc: [22:47] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [22:48] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:48] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Having trouble with sound (AC'97). play KDE_Startup_new.wav gives errors. First one is ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' [22:49] snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory [22:49] etc.. [22:50] can't open output file `default': snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory [22:52] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [22:53] I guess Chymera1 gave up. [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:55] seesaw (seesaw@unaffiliated/seesaw) left ##slackware. [22:56] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:57] Nick change: Reticenti -> itneciteR [22:57] try re run alsaconf again? [22:57] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.105) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:59] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:00] Cesarion76: I ran alsaconf again and it appears to have done the deed, but no difference... [23:00] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [23:00] Alabarda (~david@189.11.214.34) joined ##slackware. [23:01] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:02] have you run "alsactl store" and alsa mix also? [23:02] mercfate (~fate@201-75-118-9-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:03] Cesarion76: No [23:03] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [23:05] AngryBankerMan (~steviebob@adsl-75-21-22-87.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Good evening [23:05] alsa mix also? [23:06] ok alsaconf first, then alsamix and turn vol up, then alsactl store [23:06] Say, is there a way to get true transparency in fluxbox? I've been wondering that for a while now. [23:06] good late night in this part of the hemisphere! [23:07] Which part would that be, if you don't mind me asking? [23:08] Rosario,Argentina 00:00 local time :) [23:08] Cesarion76: AlsaMixer shows SiS SI7012 [23:08] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.7.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:08] Cesarion76: Nice. It's 22:05 here :D [23:08] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.42) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [23:09] but it's SiS AC'97 so...? [23:10] at least alsamixer runs now... but...? [23:10] Question for you, terry: what exactly is the problem? [23:10] Out of curiosity [23:10] 2 hour behind not bad! [23:10] AngryBankerMan: AC'97 sound card does not work. [23:11] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] AngryBankerMan: Even though I ran alsaconf and it appeared to do it's job, still not working. [23:11] play KDE_Logout_new.wav Returns: can't open output file `default': snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory [23:11] terry: Hm, can't help you there. I don't have a sound card, I just use built in sound chip [23:12] SiS SI7012 is your card! [23:12] AngryBankerMan: That's what I have here... built in sound chip [23:12] Hm. I don't have any problem with sound, though :/ [23:12] Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller [23:12] according to lspci [23:12] figabo (~figabo@201.164.195.255) joined ##slackware. [23:12] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:12] figabo: good evening [23:13] ZMR: good evening to you, too [23:13] It's an "XCcube aopen" [23:13] eriwitna (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Evening, eriwitna [23:13] Has anyone every upgraded libtool on Slackware? [23:13] ok alsaconf first, then alsamix and turn vol up, then alsactl store [23:13] I used slapt-get to upgrade me [23:13] mine* [23:13] Pretty cool little machine. Everything else seems to work ok... [23:15] Back to one of my earlier questions: Does anyone know if it is possible to get true transparency in Fluxbox? I've been searching for an answer to that for a while now [23:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:15] wtf [23:15] Pseudo-transparency works fine, but sometimes it get a tad bit on the annoying side [23:15] PVFarm (~frank@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] so turn it off [23:15] Cesarion76: Did all that... couple times... [23:15] but I like my transparency D: [23:16] Could it be some sort of hardware problem? [23:16] or? [23:16] still no sound? odd [23:16] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [23:16] alsaconf detected your card [23:17] are you runnning in X? [23:17] Linux XCcube 2.6.29.6-smp [23:17] Cesarion76: yes runing X [23:17] i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3300 [23:18] (... suppose I should have installed slack64). [23:18] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:18] but...... [23:18] I have an old P4 Celeron.. [23:18] restart X (ctrl + alt + back ) [23:18] Cesarion76: okeydokey [23:18] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:19] Cesarion76: what do you use on your desktop? [23:19] for* your desktop [23:19] ? [23:20] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [23:20] athlon 1.1 ghz 1 gig ram audio, video lan onboard asus motherboard. 2001 machine running slack 13.1 whit kde 4.4 not bad ha:) [23:21] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [23:21] same ol, same ol [23:21] Cesarion76: Not bad at all. [23:21] terry: wb [23:21] wb? [23:21] welcome back [23:21] o [23:21] ok [23:22] I have a computer on the lower end of the spectrum: P4 1.6ghz 512 RAM onboard audio/video/usb/ethernet [23:23] terry: mmm out of ideas slack 64 "might" be [23:23] the answer [23:23] about 5 years old, cheap $200 computer [23:23] heh [23:24] switching this computer to SW was the best thing that's ever happened to it :) [23:24] PVFarm (frank@ip98-183-186-75.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware. [23:24] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Hii. [23:24] same thoght [23:25] good evening, riza [23:25] same thought [23:25] Cesarion76: :) [23:26] Cesarion76: If I hadn't disassembled some of the older P2/P3 computer I have in my room, I'd be running those as a LAN multimedia server in my room [23:26] I have a 1TB here that's hardly being put to use [23:27] lol.. AngryBankerMan? What a strange name. Hope everyone is doing well. I do have a question about Slackware if anyone cares to answer. A quick question - why did Patrick want Slackware to be as close to Unix as possible? Why not use Unix itself, for example? [23:27] schenkel (~schenkel@187.52.31.62) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Because Unix itself was lacking in features, so he created the linux kernel to have many more features than the original unix kernel [23:28] It runs much better as a server [23:28] And about my name -- it's a rather long story I do not wish to repeat due to the fact that I've repeated it about 20 times by now and I get tired of it :) [23:29] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:30] you are both full of shit [23:30] AngryBankerMan: Patrick did not create the Linux kernel - Linus Torvalds did. [23:30] name mix up? Sorry, I'm a it tired ^^ [23:31] Well, I got one thing right, at least [23:31] about why Linus did it haha. [23:31] I feel ashamed .-. [23:32] linus did linux because minix cost too much at the time, and he wanted something to learn the x86 chip [23:32] That too. [23:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel [23:33] and now I'm off, due to work in the morning [23:33] riza: I think you have the wrong picture in mind. [23:33] AngryBankerMan (~steviebob@adsl-75-21-22-87.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Work. I sometimes hate it. [23:33] looking back 19 years, I find the first sentence of Linus' quote to be somewhat amusing [23:34] specifically "won't be big and professional like gnu" :) [23:35] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] heya,folks [23:35] michael? I thought you were dead [23:36] lol....I am the highway...>;) [23:36] Mel-nix, wrong picture? o.o [23:36] ahh, for a minute there I thought the crowd was too young to get that one [23:37] alphageek,know the reference an was listening to Audioslave...strange connex...:D [23:37] s/an/and [23:38] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:38] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] riza: Linux is not an Operating System, while UNIX is. [23:43] Nick change: oobe -> duads [23:46] Nick change: duads -> oobe [23:48] Mel-nix, hm strange.. I thought Linux is an operating system too. As Linux is merely the name for the kernel. [23:50] riza: The OS is GNU/Linux. [23:51] Yikes, can you clarify the GNU part? I thought the GNU part is just the legal issue. [23:51] That is, just merely stating that it's copylergt. [23:51] left**** [23:51] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Cesarion76 (~Miranda@15-90-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [23:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:51] you can't have an os without the tools to make stuff for it [23:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [23:52] riza: Try running `uname' with `-o' or `--operating-system'. [23:53] Skywise, yep, the tools as in toolchain right? [23:53] yeah [23:53] Mel-nix, isn't that just semantic then? [23:55] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:57] riza: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [23:58] Awww.. :) I was hoping for a question that noone could answer. It means I am making progress with learning. [23:58] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:59] j0z (unix@189.58.28.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:59] j0z (unix@189.58.28.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [23:59] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Thu Jun 24 2010