[00:00] Guest96167 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:02] graphics are good in freebsd, but, I'm not using wifi in freebsd so I don't know [00:05] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles at ascii art when compiling nmap ;just before make starts [00:06] lol [00:07] heh [00:07] yea I have to rebuild that since replaceing gtk and glib breaks the zenmap [00:08] anyone got a decent slackware logo(ascii-art)? [00:09] Rat409, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackware_ambigram_ascii.txt [00:10] the new logo :) [00:10] G-O-L-B-E-Z (n=chatzill@202.70.61.10) joined ##slackware. [00:11] ugh [00:12] oh? looks better when you set it as wallpaper [00:12] night all [00:12] night XGizzmo [00:12] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] someone was drunk when that logo was approved [00:13] Yeah, it seemed a bit odd, but, I went with it. I'm glad we're back with the traditional logo [00:14] Action: Old_Fogie likes it, even has a lilo boot bmp for it [00:14] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Old_Fogie: oh sweet! thanks :) [00:15] :) [00:15] Old_Fogie: yeah, each to his own:) [00:16] "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder" :) [00:16] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:16] G-O-L-B-E-Z (n=chatzill@202.70.61.10) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]" [00:16] LOL, good one:-) [00:16] thank you very much! I'll be here all week :) [00:16] lol [00:16] that's a fogie original by the way! [00:16] no copying there [00:17] I like it [00:17] I've licensed it under the # "U_Get_Next_Round v 3" license :) [00:18] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [00:18] :-) [00:19] Yea way back when a buddy of mine and I went to the bar... he left with a wilderbeast! So was born "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder" [00:19] i'll write an rfc for MMAoIRC [00:19] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:19] nullboy,:) [00:21] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [00:22] night all [00:22] g'nite [00:23] :) [00:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:25] can someone type my nick? im testing hilighting on irssi. [00:25] my nick [00:25] vinnie_: [00:25] oh sorry my nick ? [00:25] :D [00:25] peenor [00:25] hehe [00:26] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:26] ok... ty [00:26] still need to work at it [00:27] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-4acc5b484f0e6512) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] yes, your TPS reports have been sub par lately. [00:30] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:30] <_repsol> Did you get the memo? [00:31] I have a copy of the TPS report.. hanging on my cubicle [00:31] I just need to get some "flare" now [00:31] bbbs (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: [00:31] yeah, i'm gonna go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo [00:32] ok.... can someone type my nick again please? [00:32] no [00:32] <_repsol> vinnie_: [00:32] vinnie_ [00:32] wow... this stinks [00:32] vinnie_ ? [00:32] Action: _repsol needs more flair too [00:33] omg it's dead jim [00:33] let me try something else [00:33] type "/set" to see settings [00:33] then pgdn/up to scroll [00:34] i think i got it now [00:34] type "/save [00:34] type "/save" after to save to config [00:35] my box isn't stock here, but wondering if anyone get this on zenmap launch: "No module named dbapi2.pysqlite2 or sqlite3" [00:35] barcara: can u type my nick again pleez? sorry for the bother, but this is driving me nuts [00:35] vinnie_ [00:35] no bother [00:35] ahh haaa... ty. it worked this time [00:35] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): [BX] Tiger Woods uses BitchX. FORE!" [00:35] np [00:36] great vinnie_ [00:36] ok. i can sleep now :c) [00:36] vinnie_: [00:36] heh [00:36] awesome hilighting [00:36] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] ill work on getting the bottom bar to blink tomorrow [00:43] <_repsol> When I install .tgz file is there a specific file I am supposed to install it in? [00:43] _repsol: is it a package or just a source tarball? [00:44] <_repsol> wicd-1.5.6-noarch-2.tgz <- [00:44] that's a package [00:44] <_repsol> I unpacked in /root/src but it created a new etc usr and a var [00:45] eek [00:45] <_repsol> should I have unpacked it in /? [00:45] you install packages by: installpkg wicd-1.5.6-noarch-2.tgz [00:45] see installpkg(8) or even better, go read chapter 18 of the slackbook. [00:45] don't unpack packages in / [00:45] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] <_repsol> oh right I tar -zxvf it [00:45] <_repsol> ok thanks [00:46] <_repsol> yep that worked better hehe [00:46] <_repsol> looks like it has dependencys [00:47] how you mean? [00:47] <_repsol> looks like in need python.gy [00:47] <_repsol> or gui.py rather [00:47] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-4acc5b484f0e6512) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:48] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-d3bb9b645874fc0c) joined ##slackware. [00:49] repsol_: wicd needs python, pygtk, and associated stuff. Slackware comes with all of it. [00:50] <_repsol> It is erroring out when I try and run it [00:50] repsol_: try reading the docs for it. [00:54] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:54] _ohm (n=nava@nom19609a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [00:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:56] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] ya know.. sometimes.. I hate having a dog.. especially when she decides to go for a "scenic" run at 1am in the morning and its 12 degrees outside.. and snowing... [01:07] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-d3bb9b645874fc0c) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] what does this mean? anyone? EXT3 Inode cc1741f0: orphan list check failed! [01:09] cuz then I got after a bunch of numbers " Pid: 271, comm: kswapd0 Not tainted 2.6.28.2 #1 Call Trace: [] ext3_destroy_inode+0x5e/0x70 [01:09] doh [01:09] my / is the ext3 too :( [01:09] I think that usually indicates bad "data" or a bad drive... maybe a bad sector on the drive [01:10] probably want to do a file system check.. forced next start up [01:10] ok [01:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:13] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] <_adrenaline> rworkman, great job on the wireless in slackware [01:13] eh [01:13] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:14] _adrenaline: thanks, but really the thanks goes to the wicd guys, assuming that's what you're talking about. [01:14] <_adrenaline> I know he had a lot to do with it and I wanted to say thanks because it is much easier now than it was two versions ago [01:14] <_adrenaline> Ya but it was more than just that [01:14] as rworkman said.. its wicd [01:14] <_adrenaline> OK will thanks to them too [01:14] <_adrenaline> well [01:15] If you get brave and want to play with the the development version of it, have a look at http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ <-- but check back regularly (as in, every day) for updates [01:16] <_adrenaline> Cool thanks rworkman although I am not sure I am worthy [01:16] and now, I'm off to bed :) [01:16] <_adrenaline> night rworkman we will meet again [01:16] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-d22103e11b862f9e) joined ##slackware. [01:17] <_adrenaline> I am off to bed too. Dominian thanks for you help today. aka repsol [01:18] eh [01:18] have to refresh my memory... [01:18] its been a long day... helped some friends salvage what they could after a fire at their home on saturday [01:18] <_adrenaline> You helped me as I was compiling my new kernel earlier [01:18] ohhhh [01:18] haha [01:18] <_adrenaline> It was a success by the way 2.6.28.2 [01:18] no problem :) [01:18] <_adrenaline> Talk to you soon [01:18] like I said.. been a long day [01:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:20] barcara (i=1000@cpe-74-64-122-210.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [01:22] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:23] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Action: Khratos is going to sleep [01:24] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.129.103) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [01:24] _repsol (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] Fried_Bob (n=Drinne@173-22-140-209.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Reversia Media Productions - DeluxeGrrl.com && KeepingYouHonest.com" [01:30] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:32] Dustie (n=gooch@124-170-178-101.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:35] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.203) joined ##slackware. [01:37] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.203) left irc: Client Quit [01:42] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] hello everyone I am having a problem with the xserver configuration [01:43] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:44] Weird... I have autofs modules loaded, I got autofs pacakge installed, but for some reason autofs doesn't show up in the path and type auto and press TAB [01:44] I think it is simple problem when it is saying that no screen could be found [01:44] Neo-Zionist (n=Neo-Zion@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] helo [01:46] hello Neo-Zionist [01:46] place isnt very active tonight [01:46] I agree [01:47] in norway, the time is actually 07:47AM :) [01:47] i need a cli app to render html to png [01:47] norway? more like morgay [01:47] hehe [01:47] morgay?!? where did you get that from?;) [01:47] 1:53 am > 7:47 am [01:48] It's 1:47AM here [01:48] my clocks off [01:48] 5:47 PM > AM [01:48] PM = post menopause? [01:48] screw that [01:48] or not [01:48] Can anyone help with my xorg problem? [01:49] when I tried to install the nvidia dirvers and modules from slackbuilds I started getting this error [01:49] slackbuilds for nvidia? WHYYYYYYyy [01:50] the original nvidia package wouldn't build on the new kernel [01:50] the latest kernel from k.o? [01:51] slackware 12.2 base kernel [01:51] yeah it does [01:51] you might have to make menuconfig before it will build [01:51] but it does...slackbuild wouldnt help that anyway [01:51] brb [01:52] Neo-Zionist: to solve your problem; "import ./html_to_png.png" and then select your browser window [01:53] f that [01:53] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:53] i need to do it for 3000 documents [01:53] and print screen only gets the screen not the whole doc [01:54] thats why i said cli app [01:54] why would you want to convert html to png anyway? [01:54] Any of you guys set up autofs before? [01:54] archival purposes [01:54] especially 3000 docs [01:54] because i imagine i can [01:55] hm. Perhaps you can use firefox's remote command support. In a loop, have firefox load each document, then print it to a PDF [01:55] there is an app out there, guess i better freshmeat [01:55] okey, good luck with that Neo-Zionist:) [01:55] or postscript [01:55] then use "convert" from imagemagick to turn the pdf/ps into a png [01:55] Urchlay, yeah but then using gs will render each pdf page to a png [01:55] and not one fat png [01:56] http://www.guangmingsoft.net/htmlsnapshot/html2image.htm [01:56] 300 dollars hah [01:56] hm, can you not set the page size ridiculously high in ghostscript, then? [01:56] Urchlay, perhaps, but firefox might put in linebreaks [01:56] tell it each page is a mile long? [01:56] and firefox remote kinda sucks from my last try [01:57] err pagebreaks [01:57] firefox remote works well enough for opening URLs, that's about all I ever use it for [01:58] like from my IRC client [01:59] eh, but even if you end up with a PDF full of separate pages, it's possible to split each page into its own postscript file, then render each of those to a PNG, then write an imagemagick script to stitch them together into one giant PNG [01:59] true [02:00] possible, not necessarily fun to do, or fast [02:00] its fast once its scripted hehe [02:00] well I mean the script might take a while to run... but it's still going to be faster than paying a monkey to do it manually [02:02] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:02] define a printer called "print to PNG" and write a clever print filter to do all the work [02:04] this html2image works [02:04] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:04] gives me something to do tomorrow morning i guess [02:05] what browser width should i render them all in? [02:05] 1024 looks pretty good... [02:05] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] whatever doesn't waste too much paper? [02:06] haha im not printing [02:06] Neo-Zionist, when you are ready can you explain to me what I need to do to correct my xorg issue? [02:06] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [02:06] ah, in that case, whatever doesn't result in microscopic unreadable fonts [02:06] lostnhell, well get the nvidia driver package [02:06] and sh it as root with x closed [02:07] and then if it doesnt work read the xorg error log in /tmp [02:07] if you have the linux kernel source package installed for 12.2 [02:07] do cd /usr/src/linux; make menuconfig [02:07] Neo-Zionist: that's basically what the slackbuild does IIRC... if it didn't work, probably the driver itself won't work either [02:07] and save it [02:07] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [02:07] then rerun nvidia [02:07] it worked for me [02:07] Linux neosapien 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [02:11] nards (n=SWELL@201-67-94-97.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Nick change: Neo-Zionist -> wolfman [02:11] blackorca (n=blackorc@72-58-11-176.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Action: wolfman gets nards [02:11] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [02:13] nards (n=SWELL@201-67-94-97.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [02:13] blackorca (n=blackorc@72-58-11-176.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:13] blackorca (n=blackorc@72-58-11-176.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Neo-Zionist , I have tried the NVidia package again and it failed. Won't the make menu config just start the kernel building process? [02:13] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] What's your opinion on doing a full install versus expert? [02:14] blackorca, do full? [02:14] all the other ones are tedious [02:15] wolfman, that's what I'm beginning to think.. I've done "expert" install before (to save space), but in the end it seems like it's not worth it [02:15] not to mention it makes upgrading more difficult [02:15] it just wastes time, you can remove the crap later with pkgtoo [02:15] l [02:15] it shouldnt make upgrading any harder [02:15] upgrade.txt stills says upgradepkg --install-new */*.tgz [02:16] so it adds all the crap anyway [02:16] I always run the full install and use the ls from my old /var/log/removed_packages to remove the pre-decided packages [02:16] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Ongavezir (n=ongavezi@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [02:16] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:16] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [02:16] wolfman, yeah, that's what I mean, it's more difficult to keep only a select number of packages installed [02:16] laziness dictates you install everything :) [02:17] laziness and big hdd [02:17] full -> pkgtool -> removepackages [02:17] plus it's irritating as hell when troubleshooting somebody else's debian/whatever box, that they haven't even got basic network troubleshooting stuff installed (like traceroute) [02:18] or cd /var/log/removed_packages;for i in `find .` do removepkg /var/log/packages/$i; done; [02:18] or something [02:18] just use what I was taking about, fun a full, remove the things you don't need, then before the next upgrade run ls /var/log/removed_packages>dont_need for a list that can be run with removepkg to clean it up next time [02:18] Urchlay, try compiling something on ubuntu [02:18] wolfman: yah, I have. It sucks [02:18] no dev headers at ALL [02:19] especially cause the "something" was a 3rd-party kernel module [02:19] completely worthless to those with a brain [02:19] wolfman, after I run the make menuconfig, what should I do? [02:19] lostnhell, exit and save, then do nvidia again [02:19] if it doesnt work you better just read what nvidia error log says...its in /tmp/ [02:19] it could be running a different kernel than the /usr/src/linux symlink points to [02:20] then you'd need to copy the right config from /boot/config-??? to /usr/src/linux/.config and do make oldconfig [02:20] basically [02:21] welp, time to smoke some crack! [02:21] zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config ; cd /usr/src/linux ; make oldconfig ; make menuconfig [02:21] l8r! [02:21] wolfman, the only thing I am getting from the log is too many arguments in functions [02:21] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [02:21] wolfman: enjoy wasting your money [02:22] lostnhell: what kernel version are you running, and which version of the nvidia installer? Check its readme, see if it even claims to work with the kernel you have... [02:22] scub your teeth afterwards =) [02:22] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [02:22] i used NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.82-pkg1.run [02:22] haha crack [02:22] worked like a charm [02:23] acidchild, im trying to kill braincells [02:23] 2.6.27.7-smp, nvidia-linux-x86-173.14.12 [02:23] wolfman: crack ins't the best way then [02:23] marijuana is just making me smarter :( [02:23] haha [02:23] i'm gonna hit a nice big bowl in a few [02:23] wolfman, I am running a 5200fx that is probably why you have a more up-to-date driver from their site [02:24] US Patent 6630507 - Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants.htm [02:24] huffing gasoline probably is cheaper and kills brain cells quicker [02:24] lostnhell, you will need a patch...people patch the nvidia drivers all the time [02:25] lostnhell: well don't tell me... go & read the nvidia installer's readme and release notes [02:25] somebody patented smoking pot? [02:26] how american... [02:26] they patent tree's used for 100's of uses are meds [02:26] i was under the impression its a us governemnt owned patent [02:26] and then clam it as there own [02:26] ok, I will be out in x searching for a patch [02:26] thank you [02:26] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] well I'm an american (or anyway I think I am), and I think it's stupid too [02:27] http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507/claims.html [02:27] 5. The method of claim 1, wherein the cannabinoid is: ##STR22## [02:28] lostnhell (n=Unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] they forgot to expand a macro? [02:28] haha [02:28] What exactly is patented? [02:28] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:28] read the description and such [02:28] SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION [02:29] blackorca: if you patent an idea, you "own" it... nobody else can use it without your permission (even if they come up with the same idea independently, without getting it from you) [02:30] I'm reading the abstract and such, and I can't see how this could possibly be patented [02:30] lostnhell (n=Unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] but... ideas aren't really supposed to be patentable. The original concept of patents AFAIK was for actual devices (you couldn't patent the idea of smoking marijuana, but you could maybe design a fancy bong and patent that) [02:31] they pass any patent heh [02:32] its easier to pass them all than to look for prior art [02:33] let's patent breathing [02:33] or even better, fapping [02:34] well after reading the summary, it seems they aren't patenting the actual cannabinoids from the marijuana plant, but rather synthetic analogues (or chemicals which act on the endocannabinoid system) [02:34] http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4389981/claims.html [02:34] ;) [02:34] l8rz [02:34] wolfman (n=Neo-Zion@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:34] "The cannabinoid may be a cannabinoid other than THC, HU-210, or other potent cannabinoid receptor agonists. " [02:35] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [02:35] so this patent seems more valid with that in mind [02:36] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:39] we couldn't possibly have a medicine that gives the patient a pleasurable "high." It must be devoid of any psychoactivity [02:39] /sarcasm [02:43] the thought police really don't want anyone thinking happy thoughts [02:44] lostnhell (n=Unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] bluewhite64 vs slamd64? [02:45] wolfman, I got it working with a gentoo patch [02:46] lostnhell, he's not here anymore [02:47] ty [02:48] hm, slamd64 has been around longer, hasn't it? [02:48] I've been running it for a few years, happy with it... never even looked at bluewhite64 [02:49] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:49] ah, it looks like bluewhite64 doesn't support running 32-bit code at all [02:51] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:51] lostnhell (n=Unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] which means I wouldn't use it for desktop/laptop (no wine, no windows binary codecs for mplayer, no flash plugin for browsers) [02:53] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] sounds like it'd be good for a headless server (but then so would slamd64) [02:54] Urchlay, thanks. Though there is an x86-64 flash plugin, released recently, wine and codecs support are enough to keep me from bluewhite. 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People do seem to have a way to run wine on it: [02:57] http://www.bluewhite64.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2056.last [02:57] what i like about bluewhite is the close relationship it maintains with slackware. http://data.bluewhite64.com/bluewhite64-current/ChangeLog.txt [02:58] it looks like it can *run* 32-bit code, but you can't *compile* it [02:59] yeah, slamd64 is lagging behind [03:01] http://abstrusegoose.com/25 [03:01] rofl [03:01] on the other hand, I'm known to install a slackware box and not update to a newer slack release for years [03:01] so 12.1 is probably recent enough for me :) [03:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. 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[03:33] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [03:37] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Urchlay: bluewhite supports running 32 applications when you setup a chroot environment (clumsy). But there _are_ 64bit flash and java browser plugins nowadays. And you do usually not need 32bit Mplayer plugins if you use VLC [03:41] 64-bit flash must be pretty new, I went looking for it a few months ago and found nada... [03:42] and actually most of the time I could get by with mplayer minus the 32-bit codecs anyway [03:42] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [03:42] as far as java plugin goes, I haven't found a useful use for java in a browser pretty much ever [03:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] (flash is borderline useless: it's used for a lot more annoying crap than useful or entertaining crap) [03:44] but, eh, all said & done I'd rather keep 32-bit compatibility. Call it a prejudice... [03:53] Slackaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [04:04] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Urchlay, http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ [04:09] The one advantage bluewhite64 definately has is that arny works on it full time - slamd64's in my spare time around another full time job. [04:09] slava_dp: I'm curious about the "close relationship" with slackware you mention though? [04:10] slava_dp: "Be advised that this is pre-release quality"... /me doesn't care enough about flash to want to help Adobe test a broken pre-release... [04:10] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Urchlay: it works /much/ better than the 32-bit one + nspluginwrapper [04:11] fred, it looks like the bluewhite64 maintainer is just recompiling every package Pat releases for 64 bits. Just look at the changelog. [04:11] hm, really? 32-bit flash + nspluginwrapper actually works pretty well for me on slamd64 12.1 [04:12] though maybe the native one uses less RAM or CPU [04:12] (that would definitely count as better...) [04:12] Urchlay: 32-bit flash + nspluginwrapper crashes a fair bit for me [04:12] and has a habbit of going "hi, I want one of your cores please" [04:12] slava_dp: ah :p [04:12] ouch [04:13] guess I just got lucky [04:13] or maybe it's cause I use adblock, the only flash I ever see is youtube [04:13] (well, and this addictive flash game called "crazy chess"...) [04:14] oh, also, fairly frequently in koqnueror with 32-bit, youtube flash player frequently just doesn't load [04:14] I think I had the same problem last week in firefox (youtube just plain didn't work) [04:15] i find youtube doesnt work for me if another page/tab is using flash video [04:15] with the adobe plugin [04:15] tank-man: that may well have been it. [04:15] blackorca (n=blackorc@72-58-11-176.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:16] sometimes plays to 2 sec then stops, if i close the other tabs, and refresh, the video from youtube plays [04:16] still it beats using ies4linux to watch youtube in wine [04:16] its like adobe expects me to not multi task [04:16] anyone in edmonton? [04:16] tank-man: can you actually pay attention to more than one video at a time? [04:17] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [04:17] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:17] (maybe some people can, I sure can't) [04:17] no but after i watch/look at a page i might have it in the background [04:17] you know, multiple tabs open :) [04:17] Urchlay: there's the "middle-click on a load of video links, they all load up, only watch one at a time" thing :p [04:17] nullboy: just me I think. [04:17] yah. If they really can only play one video at a time for whatever technical reason, it'd be better if it could kill/stop the old one and start playing the new [04:18] i think i'm heading up there again soon [04:18] not sure when yet [04:19] Action: fred -> work [04:19] nullboy: let me know, and why would you want to come back to this cold part of the world? [04:19] hm, wait. fred = Fred from slamd64.com? [04:20] I should buy you a beer or something, or at least say "Thank you for making such an excellent distribution" [04:20] chopp: lol [04:20] linrer (n=chat@69.Red-88-7-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Action: Urchlay is feeling slow and dense tonight... [04:20] hi [04:23] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [04:25] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [04:31] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-190843.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:32] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:33] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-195575.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:37] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-190988.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:45] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.21.64) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:47] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.199) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:48] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-190843.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:57] Urchlay: yep, that's me :p [05:00] i just ran a windows backdoor with wine [05:00] and it worked! [05:01] backdooring to what [05:01] all it does is open a port with a waiting shell [05:05] /dcc send fred beer.tgz [05:05] sadly I am too poor to contribute in a more substantial manner than virtual fake beer... [05:05] but you're doing a great job [05:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] Bluewhite does little more than recompile slackware packages indeed. [05:13] fred: what will you do when Slackware releases a 64bit version? Will you try to diverge with slamd64 so as to make it a real alternative (adding packages or doing other stuff)? [05:13] alienBOB: depends on if it's multilib or not I guess. [05:13] I see no real reason for bluewhite64 to keep existing when there is an official slackware64 - except for their live DVD perhaps [05:14] if slackware makes an official multilib 64-bit distro, there's not much point in slamd64 :p [05:14] I guess a Slackware 64bit would use lib64 [05:14] if it makes a pure64, that's not true [05:14] argh :p [05:14] slobad23 (n=jake@62.249.219.218) joined ##slackware. [05:15] i would rather not use slam64 (the unofficial business worries me a little) - can i install slackware on my amd64 bit boxes? [05:15] slobad23: yes you can. [05:15] ... [05:15] fred, will it cause me any problems? [05:15] slobad23: slamd64 is pretty much official except in name [05:15] alienBOB: ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slamd64-current/slamd64-FAQ/MultiLib.txt if why I do it the way I do [05:16] *is [05:16] slobad23: didnt' when I did it, but that was years ago; can't think of a reason why it should though [05:16] Action: fred wonders what spook's heard that he's not :p [05:17] fred, cool! i was trying to get into linux and i have bought the slackware box and book - when i was reading through the book and looking online, i noticed that a majority of my boxes were amd64 and i would rather use slackware than slam64 as that is what i bought :) [05:17] fred: telling a little fib to get him to at least try slamd64 cant hurt. [05:18] spook, you a slam64 fan boy are you? [05:18] i think the work fred has done is at least worth a try. [05:20] which mail server You reccomend for small Linux system ? [05:20] fred: that README is the exact motivation to go for a multilib layout. The same motivation why I would never follow bw64's path [05:20] mac-: one that doesnt require you to configure it [05:21] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:22] oh, wait, I misread what you said [05:22] I thought you said lib32 :p [05:22] Action: fred fails [05:22] hm. I should reconfigure cc65 so its libraries go in /lib8 :) [05:23] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:26] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) joined ##slackware. [05:28] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [05:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-82c778329e45ac37) joined ##slackware. [05:45] linrer (n=chat@69.Red-88-7-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:47] Anyone happen to know off the top of their head what feature it is called for typeahead/tab-completion when you do scp? such as # scp filename host-ip:/home/old <--then hit tab key and it complete the line with /home/old_fogie. debian lenny does this (a new thing never noticed it in etch) and slack doesn't have it, I'd like to add that if possible. [05:47] bash_completion from /extra [05:47] oh yea? [05:47] cool thanks Urchlay [05:47] may need further configuring, dunno if it does the ssh stuff out of the box [05:48] ah ok, well that's a start :) [05:48] I recall a few years ago adding support for mame, "xmame.x11 a" and it'd show all the ROMs that start with a :) [05:49] unfortunately I don't have a copy of it any more... maybe the official version does the same thing now [05:49] it works [05:49] The-spiki, sorry? [05:49] Old_Fogie: Urchlay, scp completition works with the standard slackware bash_completition package [05:50] The-spiki, you mean from extra? [05:50] Old_Fogie: yes [05:50] ah ok cool [05:50] Action: Old_Fogie cant wait til the drive is done formatting here to try it [05:50] I had ext3 errors...all kinds of inode madness earlier [05:50] I should've stuck with jfs and left things alone [05:51] The-spiki: cool. One day I'll get around to installing bash-completion again... [05:51] seems like back when I ran it, it had 2 or 3 annoying features [05:51] i bash-completion - programmable completion for the bash shell <---- yes it's installed here on lenny ; thanks guys. [05:51] and yes, it's called completion, not completition as i have said 2 times :) [05:52] mplayer filename wouldn't work if it was something oddball like an .asf or .aac, but that wasn't hard to fix [05:52] tis' ok, I speak type-O [05:52] typo is the universal donor...? [05:52] type-O as in type errors [05:52] didn't quite understood you there... anyway, it wasn't type, i really meant it's called that way (non native en speaker) [05:53] I speak that too (reference to his correction on the spelling above) :) [05:53] s/type/typo/ [05:53] hahah [05:53] that too [05:53] The-spiki: yah, we understood you fine, just being goofy... [05:53] ql :) [05:53] This is what to have in your Easter Basket!! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134650 [05:53] 550 am here, no sleep, spelling's out the window [05:54] sleep is for the waek [05:54] that's right, sleep when you die [05:55] Shingoshi, wow that's a lot of ram, and a lot of money, heh [05:55] or like the line from Ren & Stimpy... "I'm too SMART to sleep!" [05:55] It's half the price of what it was a year ago!! [05:55] Action: Old_Fogie bought a new car for less than that *cough* [05:55] ..... *years* ago [05:56] My board would take 8 of those sets. [05:56] hm. I bought a decent used car for less than that, a month ago [05:56] $12K [05:56] $12k ...hmpfff chump change :) [05:56] think I've never bought anything in my life that cost $12k [05:57] yeah, mail order brides ain't even that much [05:57] I'd remember if I had... having that much cash in hand at once would be something I wouldn't forget [05:57] Action: Urchlay doesn't do credit [05:57] good policy [05:57] That would give me 128GBs of ram on my board. [05:58] is it not $1499? [05:58] Shingoshi, and a big "rob me" sign on your forehead after you go around town braggin' [05:58] ohh i see sorry :) [05:58] :) [05:58] I wouldn't say a word. [05:59] But 128GBs would be very NICE!!! [05:59] hm. I really need to think before naming files... [05:59] todo.txt, new_todo.txt, new_todo.old, new_new_todo.txt in the same dir [05:59] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [05:59] Urchlay, amen to that [05:59] now what was I supposed to be doing today again? [06:00] heh, there's also one called TODO [06:00] add your calendar, email, voice mail, unsynched cloud computing and mobile phone and handheld device, sticky notes and day planner to that and you have a complete mess (dont forget the honey-do list on the fridge too) [06:00] Try just attaching a date$time to them instead. [06:00] date&time. [06:00] Urchlay: devtodo (may find it on sbo) [06:01] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.7.212) left irc: ":wq" [06:01] YYMMDD.HHMMSS [06:01] Old_Fogie: ack! I hope I never have that many todo lists competing for my attention [06:01] it'd be a full-time job just to keep track of them all [06:02] agreed, syncml helps tho (/me looks to sky and says thanks for syncml) [06:02] Shingoshi: well the files do already have timestamps on 'em, and I know how to say "ls -lt" [06:02] Action: Shingoshi goes back to dreaming about 128GBs [06:02] woh! updates to current ... more hot action...hmmm /me reads on... [06:02] Urchlay: in gui, basket is unreplaceable (+superkaramba desktop basket) [06:02] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [06:03] Shingoshi: that would be an *obscene* amount of RAM if you're talking about a single-user workstation :) [06:03] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@173.65.163.125) joined ##slackware. [06:03] It's for a 4-socket server. [06:03] 4 sticks/cpu. [06:03] nice [06:04] probably not even overkill, depending on what you're serving up... [06:04] I only have 16GBs in 8 slots now. [06:04] I want to create a community build server. [06:04] my first computer ever... had 16K of RAM. Thinking about 128G sorta overflows the numeric datatype in my brain [06:05] To guarantee all compiles of all packages in a distribution. [06:05] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] ah, cool [06:05] I only have 16GBs in 8 slots now. <--- I don't have that in my hole house (and there's alot of pc's here) [06:05] 16gb is enough to use as a ramdisk [06:05] for a whole distro [06:05] I do. ramdisk. Actually, tmpfs. [06:06] that would be soooo fast [06:06] no moving parts, I like that idea too [06:06] I have to look more thoroughly into running the entire system in ram. [06:07] I saw some comments about it on the net. [06:07] Boot-to-ram. [06:08] persistent RAM, with battery backup at leat? [06:08] least? [06:09] I suppose 16 gigs of static RAM would still be expensive as hell [06:09] Actually, I saw some other comments about running the system in ram, and using rsync to disk. [06:09] (still need battery for sRAM, but simpler to set up) [06:10] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:10] hm. Actually, a good compromise might be to just copy the contents of everything but /home to RAM at boot, and keep /home mounted on disk [06:11] That's an idea. [06:11] er, that's for a desktop, or a shared server where users have real accounts [06:12] brb [06:12] even if you do nothing special at all, the kernel will use as much of that RAM as possible for a disk cache [06:14] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:15] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:15] lw0x15__ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:15] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:15] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Urchlay: You in Georgia, US? [06:17] last I checked, yah [06:17] Action: Urchlay looks around... nope, still here :) [06:18] You nut!! [06:18] lol [06:18] have been accused (and guilty) of worse [06:18] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:18] where are you, oregon? [06:18] Yeah, me too!! [06:19] Salem. The capitol. [06:19] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: "Leaving" [06:19] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [06:19] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] probably 25 years ago I would have known Salem was the capitol... they made us memorize all that stuff, fat lot o' good it's done me [06:20] yeah [06:20] Action: Shingoshi is 52. You? [06:20] so is it late sunday night or early monday morning for you? [06:20] whoa, for once, someone older than me :) [06:20] Monday morning. 03:21 [06:20] (actually I'm 36) [06:21] what I meant was, have you stayed up until early in the morning, or just got up? [06:21] Take it in stride. It comes at you fast enough. [06:22] I'm normally up around 15:00. But yesterday, I got up a lot later. [06:22] I'm apparently on a 36-hour day... [06:23] somewhere there has to be a planet that matches my sleeping schedule [06:23] I don't know what my cycle is anymore. [06:23] (one with a highly eccentric orbit, and lots of eclipses, maybe) [06:23] Yeah, same here. [06:23] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:23] I'm mostly on European time. [06:24] I've always been a night owl. Some would say vampire. [06:24] yah, I've been the same way, long as I can remember [06:25] eh, well, minus the actual blood-sucking part [06:25] It was a real problem for me as a child. [06:25] ah! see, nobody ever believes me when I say I was like that as a kid [06:26] I can remember being up all night on a regular basis around age 6 [06:26] I'm what some would call a Sentinel. [06:27] a null value that occurs at the end of a linked list? [06:27] ?? [06:27] (no, sorry, that was supposed to be funny...) [06:28] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:28] Ok. Explain the humor. [06:28] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Unless it was completely inappropriate. [06:29] eh, computer science. Linked list is a data structure where each member points to the next... and the last one has a null pointer, to indicate that there isn't a next element [06:29] not really inappropriate, just not funny [06:29] ok [06:29] lol [06:30] Like the end of a generation. [06:30] I feel like that sometimes. Nothing more extending beyond me. [06:30] no kids then? [06:30] The final point in the final chapter. [06:30] Actually, I have sired two of them. [06:31] But it still applies. [06:31] ah, that's 2 more than I have (unless someone's been quiet about something) [06:32] That's scary. I've wondered the same thing about someone I was only with once. [06:32] No idea how to find her either. [06:32] haven't ruled out the possibility of having kids someday, but at the moment it's like a failed murder investigation: I may have motive, but no means nor opportunity... [06:32] But I just have this nagging feeling, knowing my luck at that time, there may be another child out there by her. [06:33] eh, I was always pretty careful, but nothing's perfect [06:33] You are sick!! [06:33] But very FUNNY [06:33] eh? what did I say that's sick? (not arguing with you, I just don't get it...) [06:34] It's amazing I'm even alive, considering how no effort to guarantee my safety was ever taken. [06:34] you mean no effort by you or by parents/etc? [06:34] The murder metaphor. [06:34] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.64.74.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Last line, both!! [06:35] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [06:35] eh, tell me that doesn't mean you spent the entire decade of the 1980s having unprotected sex with a shared needle sticking out of your arm... [06:36] This is depressing thinking about this. [06:36] ack! so think about something else! [06:36] No. No needles. [06:36] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:36] And I mostly did married women. Bad boy here. [06:36] needles seems like a crappy way to get high, but not fast enough to count as a way to commit suicide [06:37] Yeah. That's true. [06:37] Always hated needles as a child. [06:37] though I wish I'd saved the little drug awareness pamphlet my brother had... it had little smiling cartoon figures that showed how to clean a hypodermic needle [06:37] Grew up with asthma. Needles were not on my list of fun things to do. [06:38] in the text was a giant red warning: "DON'T SHOOT THE BLEACH!" [06:38] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:38] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:39] asthma sucks... my brother had it [06:39] (maybe still does have it, but doesn't seem to have attacks any more) [06:40] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:40] I haven't had one in about 20 years. [06:41] And that one I could have avoided. [06:41] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [06:41] ehh, how do you avoid it? (brought on by allergy or something?) [06:42] Cycling all day in damp weather. Moisture in lungs built up. [06:42] Very early spring. [06:42] Wasn't warm enough to dissapate the dampness. [06:44] brb [06:44] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:45] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:45] does it still count as breakfast when you stay up all night and eat at 7AM? [06:46] It's whatever you want it to be! [06:48] I feel like crawling into bed. I've been up long enough to justify doing so. [06:48] Action: Shingoshi listens to swissgroove.ch [06:51] hm. Well I want it to be a burger and fries... but it stubbornly insists on staying a burrito made of leftover chicken [06:53] sluttyduck (n=nn@adsl-074-183-081-161.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Sounds like the story of my life. [06:53] alienBOB: so, yeah, if Slackware ends up with a multilib 64-bit version, I'd probably drop slamd64 after keeping updates going for a while [06:54] Hi fred!! [06:54] You heard it here first folks :) [06:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:55] fred: Is that something that's really on the horizon. [06:55] Shingoshi: it's something that alienBOB asked about here a few hours ago [06:56] Ok. Just wondering. How are you doing? [06:56] Has there been any direction given as to how that might develop? [06:58] fred: ^^ [06:58] actually am sort of surprised slamd64 is still unofficial [06:59] Not really. You need to know the thinking involved. [06:59] Or maybe the lack of it. [06:59] well I can't read minds... say on [06:59] There [06:59] There's this general hero worship involved. [07:00] eh? [07:00] Shingoshi: There's not; and if there had been, I'm not in the habbit of commenting on private correspondence :p [07:00] If it hasn't come from the TOP, it doesn't have any legitmacy. [07:00] what, you're saying someone's afflicted with NIH syndrome? [07:00] fred: I wasn't talking about you. [07:01] You've done a very commendable job. [07:01] Shingoshi: I was refereing to above your "fred: ^^" [07:01] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:01] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [07:01] oh [07:01] ok [07:02] hi [07:02] is there a way i can get user1 to open a gui app on users2 GUI-x session ? [07:02] fred: I think it's just too bad that Slacky.eu didn't fall in behind your efforts and support you. [07:03] anyone here tried PCBSD 7 ? [07:03] not me [07:03] Agiofws: you mean 2 users that are already logged in? [07:03] Thought lately about trying DragonFlyBSD> [07:04] thinking of playing with it but not so sure if it is worth the effort .... [07:04] well BSD is BSD. what was is like ? [07:04] Urchlay, one user is the owner of x-session ... [07:04] I haven't installed it. If you were asking me. [07:04] other is logged in via su - foo [07:05] but that user foo wants to use a gui app in the x-session [07:05] what i know from reviews it seems not so flexible as slackware ... oh heck , i give it a spin in teh afternoon. ... [07:05] how does he do it ? [07:05] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:05] YaCK (n=Yack@unaffiliated/yack) joined ##slackware. [07:05] is there a way i can get user1 (su - user1) to open a gui app on users2 GUI-x session ? [07:06] I used to do something like that when running Gentoo in chroot. I would start Gentoo Xapps in Slamd64 system. [07:07] YaCK (n=Yack@unaffiliated/yack) left ##slackware. [07:07] Agiofws: have user2 execute "xhost +localhost" [07:07] There's something you have to do with localhost. [07:07] Yup. That's it. [07:07] Agiofws: and user1 executes: DISPLAY=:0 command [07:07] (where "command" is whatever it is you're trying to run) [07:08] I created a small script to start all of my chroot apps in Xsessions that way. [07:08] will this also work when connected by remote desktop connection ( vnc) ? [07:08] of course if there also exists a user3 who you don't trust, you've just opened the door for them to mangle up your X session... [07:09] mrS: sure, though the DISPLAY=:0 is likely wrong (have user2 do "echo $DISPLAY" and use that) [07:09] DISPLAY=:0 gqview WORKED thanks [07:09] thats opening a whole new world ... thanks i will tray later [07:10] Urchlay: I'm going to bed. I will catch you again. Thanks for all the chat. [07:10] night Shingoshi [07:10] gnite [07:10] I probably am up a good bit longer, still have work I should already have done... [07:11] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] joachim1 (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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It really could have been a little more informative... I'd be a lot more sensitive to mysql's needs if only it would communicate better :( [07:31] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:31] sometimes I think it doesn't love me any more... [07:32] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:32] :D [07:33] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:35] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:36] lw0x15__ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] Why did you disconnect the brakes on my car, that kind of thing is hard to ignore, honey something tells me you don't love me anymore [07:37] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-155-138.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [07:39] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [07:40] hi [07:40] can i change a users home dir from /home/foo to /var/www/ ? [07:41] you can, but probably shouldn't [07:41] um.. The answer is yes, but I don't think that would be wise [07:41] How about changing your www root to /home/foo/www/ instead? :) [07:42] how about you explain what it is you're trying to do first... [07:42] (or just chown /var/www and ln -s /var/www /home/foo) [07:42] 2 ways to do it: either edit /etc/passwd (with vipw preferably), or "usermod" (see its man page for details, cause I can't remember em) [07:43] but really, really, really think about why you'd want to do that, because it ain't a great idea [07:44] as i said before... tell us what you're trying to do first... [07:44] I have a question on networking and using iptables NAT, DNAT. [07:45] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] Do not touch /etc/passwd by hand. There's absolutely no reason to do that, and you really don't want to fuck it up by accident ;) [07:45] Urchlay, i run a local web serv for deving my page but i alos login on agiofws's xsession as www-data user but i would like everytime i do su - www-data i would lik eit to take me to /var/www/joomla or something Urchlay whats the best way to go ? [07:46] eh [07:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] that's.. insane [07:46] change homedir? or something [07:46] all that just for an su -? [07:46] pfft [07:46] time to get ready for work [07:46] Agiofws: maybe you can write the same thing more clearly? [07:46] or write a script [07:47] um.. [07:47] can i add sometihng in bashrc to get me to /var/www/joomla ? [07:47] I don't necessarily see a problem with changing www-data's homedir to /var/www/joomla [07:47] me too [07:48] ok /etc/passwd it is then i gues .. [07:49] I have a question on networking and using iptables NAT, DNAT. OK to present? [07:49] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Agiofws : why do you need to use that user's shell? why not just use sudoedit? [07:50] eddief2: Don't ask to ask. If the question don't break the channel rules its best to just ask and hope for an awnser. [07:50] ananke, cause apache2 users that user + joomla does aswell so instead of editing html + css + images in /var/www/joomla as root i use that user but i dont feeling CD ING to the that dir over and over again [07:50] symlink? [07:50] Agiofws: is there a particular reason why the web pages have to actually be owned by the www-data user? (Yes, they have to be readable by him, but they can belong to your user) [07:51] Agiofws : that makes no sense [07:51] does joomla needs that user to install crap and stuff [07:51] Agiofws, is that a question or a statement? [07:51] statement [07:51] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [07:51] I have no idea what joomla needs (only vaguely know what it is) [07:52] but most web apps are designed so they work without write access to their own directory [07:53] Agiofws : so use an alias to get to that dir. it's silly to make such a significant change as changing home dir, only because you're too lazy to type 'cd' command [07:53] generally everything in /var/www/joomla/ has to be owned by www-data so i chowned everthying [07:54] kjell: - I have two boxes, 1) a box running anything 2) a box running Slackware. Box 1 is connected with ethernet to Box 2. When Box 1 runs a web brower to ANY address, I want Box 2 to intercept the destination address and force a redirect to apache running on Box 2. [07:54] and joomla then has no perm problems and i dont have to be root to edit stuff there [07:54] Agiofws: why do you think that? does the joomla documentation actually say that? [07:54] ok maybe alias [07:54] Agiofws : do you realize that poorly managed web sites are the most common vurnability you can have? [07:54] Agiofws: or does it just say the files have to be *readable* by the www-data user? [07:55] ananke, this is local so i am just developing its not the real server [07:55] Agiofws : and you'll take your bad habits right into production, if you don't do it right [07:55] Urchlay, i dont know exactly but i don't like being root to edit html and stuff [07:55] yeah, better to learn the right way to set it up on the dev server, so you never get tempted to do it wrong on production [07:55] development is not an excuse for being sloppy [07:56] Agiofws : you don't have to be root. but you shouldn't have to be the apache user either [07:56] I want to recreate what happens at a Coffee bar with Wifi. Any request to the Internet is rerouted to a my webpage. [07:56] ananke, apache user www-data is not valnurable to the public [07:56] Agiofws: right, I agree, editing stuff as root is bad. So chown the joomla directory and all its contents to *your user* (agiofws) [07:56] Agiofws : i have no clue what you just said [07:56] does vnc use udp or tcp? [07:56] spook : tcp [07:56] udp i think [07:56] ok wrong srry [07:57] 1.3GB executables make my machine very unhappy and lots of hard faults :/ [07:57] i'm trying to portforward vnc connections [07:57] take ananke advice for that he knows more [07:57] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9994 [07:57] vnc doesn't use any udp [07:57] straterra: ouch! what is it? [07:57] i cant seem to get it to work [07:57] Eve Online installer :P [07:57] I thougt I could use iptables and some sort of IP Forwarding (is IP Forwarding real? I mostly see Port Forwarding) or some DNAT (destination) IP translation. [07:58] straterra: oh, yah, I remember thinking about playing eve online, and deciding not to based on the size of the installer [07:58] port forwarding is pretty much covered under DNAT [07:58] spook : the first vnc display is 0, so 5900 [07:58] lol [07:58] eve online is awesome [07:58] I just wish I had more memory [07:58] spook : 5901 would be for the second display, 5902 for the third, and so on. [07:58] ananke: i'm trying to connect to a windows machine on the local network behind that machine [07:58] I've maxed the machine out at 2GB [07:58] spook : looks like you're missing 5900 [07:58] Urchlay, doing that would not let joomla work right then i think it needs the apaches users rights ... ; Urchlay joomla is a content managing system [07:59] hmmm [07:59] straterra: eve online looks like fun, yah... but I really don't see myself getting as involved in a game as you'd have to be, to get far at it [07:59] Agiofws: yes, I knew it was a CMS, but that's all I know about it :) [07:59] ananke: duh a duh, thanks [08:00] other than that, i don't do dnat, so i can't help you with those rules [08:00] Urchlay, so when i tried to install a new module or something it showed me perm probs so i chowned everything to www-data [08:00] Agiofws: it needs to *run* with the apache user's rights. That doesn't mean the *files* have to be owned by the apache user. So long as the apache user can *read* the files. [08:00] ananke: i think you just pointed out the obvious [08:00] Thanks anyhow. [08:00] which i think is what i missed [08:00] apaches user and no perm prob. then i created a REAL user www-data to edit as not root the /var/www/file [08:00] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] Agiofws: hm. Exactly how do you install a new module? manual process from the command line, or is the module-installer part of the web app too? [08:01] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:01] its a the backend ... yes web app [08:01] apache has a thingy for that [08:01] a2enmod ? [08:01] Agiofws: so when you want to install a joomla module, you use joomla to do it? [08:02] yes its web gui [08:02] and i solved my problem by the way [08:02] Agiofws: well in that case I guess it really does need write access to its own directory. Bloody stupid design, I wouldn't use it [08:02] i just added cd /var/www/joomla/templates/ in .bashrc and works like a charm ... [08:03] Urchlay: apache should have read/write to web directories [08:03] Urchlay, i would use somthing unbloated but joomla has more docs around the net ... and i am new to this [08:03] straterra: gak. I prefer my scripts to be unable to modify themselves... [08:04] bb in sec [08:04] and you can install Joomla addons from the command line [08:04] straterra: in fact on a stock slackware 12.2 install: [08:04] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] $ ls -ld /var/www [08:04] drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2008-10-22 18:55 /var/www/ [08:04] wpa2 is cracked too ? ? about half way down the page here --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7681784.stm [08:04] Old_Fogie: wpa2 isn't cracked [08:04] I don't see any write access for the apache user there... [08:04] Old_Fogie: It's subject to brute force..thats it [08:05] Urchlay: meh..that's Slackware [08:05] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:05] I don't see why /var/www would be owned by root [08:05] straterra, "Elcomsoft takes advantage of the astonishing processing power of the latest range of Nvidia graphics processing units (GPUs) to crack the WPA and WPA2 wireless security protocols in a matter of hours or even minutes, rendering most commercial wireless networks open to attack" [08:05] straterra: that's every distro I've ever used though... granted, I haven't used anything but slackware/slamd64 in the past 5 or 6 years [08:05] straterra, so that's brute forceing then? [08:05] Old_Fogie: that doesn't mean WPA2 is cracked. It's a brute force. [08:05] Correct. [08:05] straterra: so it can't be written to by an exploited CGI script [08:05] straterra, he just used crack in lieu of brute force? [08:06] Old_Fogie: No..he brute forced it [08:06] straterra, ah ok [08:06] straterra, ok gotcha thanks [08:06] All you gotta do is capture some auth packets.. [08:06] take em home..and..brute force your life away [08:06] Agiofws, you can use mod_suphp .and no need to chown to www.-data [08:06] an fpga would be able to do the same thing as the GPU's [08:06] straterra, so changing keys frequently and stron keys rule still applies [08:06] Old_Fogie: yeah [08:07] straterra, ok ty [08:07] yw [08:07] hm, I take that back, I'm logged in to a centos server right now, and its /var/www is the same wya [08:07] way [08:07] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Agiofws, joomla is very vulnerable like mostly or the CMS web applications [08:07] anyway why am I going on & on about this? [08:07] ALVAN: its not Joomla that is exploited most of the time [08:07] It's thirdp arty addons [08:07] yeah [08:07] third party^ [08:07] the modules :P [08:08] correct [08:08] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] Slackaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:08] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:08] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Action: Urchlay is starting to hate the web and everything to do with it [08:08] yay, Eve Online is installing [08:08] straterra: how long does a 1.3G installer take? [08:09] Not that long [08:09] its almost done [08:09] I suppose the fact that it's that big means it isn't spending hours downloading the rest of itself [08:09] like WoW when you first get it [08:09] "Download a billion updates that make you restart WoW after every one!" [08:09] Eve Online! Space Pirates, Yar! get them crystals :) [08:10] Darkfall, uuhhm. The only game I would like to play actually [08:10] eve is a good mmorpg [08:10] yeah it's good game, I stunk at it tho. no flak cannon :) [08:10] necr0mancer (n=necr0man@c-76-98-108-129.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:10] especially since the devs care about the playing experience and their long time companies [08:10] customers [08:11] whereas blizzard dont give a fuck, which is why their servers such [08:11] suck [08:11] I've heard that there's no point in starting to play eve online now, that you'll just get your ass kicked constantly by the people who have been playing for years [08:11] (not sure I believe that entirely though) [08:11] Urchlay: you can start playing now. [08:12] wow and eve are sorta opposite [08:12] wow you can 'finish' the game, get everything etc, and do so faster or slower than others [08:13] probably eve will have the same problem for me that wow would [08:13] Urchlay: Eve isn't like that..you don't join then get assraped [08:13] Urchlay, I actually do play it. [08:13] mainly, the people you meet in the game... those are the exact people I'm trying to avoid, by staying at home, being antisocial, and playing video games all day [08:13] eve you cant 'finish', you can never have everything. you progress skill wise at a somewhat static rate (stuff influences how fast you learn), however financially, you go as fast as you can manage, if you suck you go slow, if you are good you go fast. [08:13] the high level people don't really go where the beginners are [08:14] The idea in Eve is that you should probably get down to 0 space early, if you want to go there, or have a group when flying down later on. [08:14] straterra: you've never been wardecced and gone to jita, am i rite? [08:14] Pirates tend to camp at the gates. [08:15] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@173.65.163.125) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:15] pirates do a lot of thingss [08:15] Action: spook used to make serious money being a blockade runner [08:16] transport ship with huge agility and drive stabilisers. [08:16] 0 to max speed in like 0.3 seconds, and turns on a pin head. [08:16] also I know a guy who got so into playing second life, that he quit talking to all his friends who don't play it. [08:16] and does .6 above lightspeed [08:16] (well, first, he spent weeks trying to convince us to all play second life with him...) [08:17] spook: you fly the millenium falcon? :)( [08:17] essentially, it was the millenium falcon yes [08:17] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-155-138.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:17] nice [08:17] out of about 500 runs i did when i played, i lost my ship about 5-6 times, and got podded 4 times. [08:18] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:19] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:19] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a6b289d6c16fa69) joined ##slackware. [08:19] eh, what does "getting podded" mean? [08:20] (sounds like it has to do with alcohol, am guessing not though) [08:20] is that like getting tribbled? [08:20] okay, inside your ship, you live in a pod. thats where you 'captain' the ship from. [08:20] when ship goes boom, your pod survives [08:21] being podded means your pod goes boom, after people shoot it [08:21] oh [08:21] so your actual player is dead, instead of just losing the ship? [08:21] you have infinite clones [08:21] greetings [08:22] how are you guys doing these days? [08:22] leaving the ethics of infinite cloning aside... in game terms, what's the difference in effect of losing the ship vs. losing the player too? [08:22] a basic clone can only have 400k skill points, after that you have better grade clones, which cost money. dying has a penalty, either losing skill points (very painful) or money (not so bad) [08:23] ah [08:23] so you don't really die, but getting killed is still annoying enough to want to avoid [08:23] only losing the ship, you can fly away to a station, buy a new ship etc [08:23] slobad23 (n=jake@62.249.219.218) left irc: "Leaving" [08:23] yes very bad. [08:23] what game are you guys talking about ? sorry i just joined..missed most of it [08:23] you can get implants, which are very expensive, but very good. those die with your body [08:23] OOhh.. Eve talk! ;) [08:24] eve-online [08:24] hm. Is there some minimum level of skill below which it won't drop you after you die? Cause the first thing that comes to mind is "kamikaze!" [08:24] 400k [08:24] Well you cant be killed in high security space [08:24] Only lose your ship [08:25] Urchlay: you dont want to lose skill points [08:25] Ether_Man: you can very easily be killed in high sec [08:25] its wether or not people are willing to go to the effort, i.e; are you worth it [08:25] spook, not killed.. only lose your ship.. your pod has unlimited hp in highsec [08:25] Ether_Man: thats new. didnt use to. [08:25] It always has [08:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:26] It's one of the core designs to stop some of the "lowbie ganking".. [08:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Ether_Man: no, i'm pretty sure your pod can die in highsec. just that concord will not like it. [08:27] concord wont like it if you so much as lock target on another player in highsec [08:27] has anyone seen this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/26/dziuba_linux_desktop/ [08:27] Unless they're at war with you in which case they couldnt care less ofc [08:27] Ether_Man: target locks are fine. unless concord got more anal in the last 2 years [08:27] The-Croupier: "Linux will never, ever defeat Windows because Windows has the little blue E." [08:27] :D [08:27] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [08:28] kjell: die. [08:28] kjell: lol yep [08:28] spook: check the url i posted ... it wasnt kjell that said that [08:28] spook, they did.. once the war started you cant even lock onto "friendlies" anymore freely.. 1.0 and 0.9 and they lower your sec status.. lower they dont care.. Start shooting though and they hunt your ass :) [08:28] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [08:28] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:29] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:29] But still.. Pod is not possible to kill in 0.6 or higher [08:29] Thats why I put it in between the quotation marks. [08:29] Ether_Man: i stopped playing about 2 years ago. [08:30] spook, I've been playing since about day1.. :) still play it... and Im a pirate! ;) -9,1 security rating :) [08:31] concord dont like me ;_; [08:31] where do you haunt? [08:31] Wherever there's pray for the moment.. Im not exactly soloing [08:31] i lived in 0.0, in wicked creek, in between goons and tcf [08:32] Action: Urchlay relaxes and enjoys the technobabble [08:32] :) [08:32] of course that was 2 years ago, so i dont know wether tcf or goons are still there. [08:32] heh.. goons was allied with us for awhile until one of their corps decided it was fun to raid a supply caravan of ours.. Happy times that :) [08:33] someone stole our indy capital, inside our alliance, before that one of our corps died out, someone stole all their blueprints, i quit not long after that [08:34] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [08:34] i was president of our alliance for quite a while too. was hard to leave. [08:34] indy capital.. its just a freighter.. who cares? >_< [08:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:35] http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg there you have a current political map.. And as you see.. goons are still there.. though they're minor players today :) [08:35] a jump freighter that we had spent a month setting up a jump path from low sec to deeeeep 0.0 for [08:35] <- AAA myself :) [08:35] and had about 2 solid months of cargo lined up for. [08:35] I thought you said 2 years ago... jump freighters wasnt available then [08:36] indy cap was a jump freighter pretty much [08:36] is there any software RAID that can improve the data speed and also the data reliability of a single external USB hard drive in linux? i have a laptop with an 80gb hard drive and an external 500gb usb drive. [08:36] Sure it wasnt a carrier? It was usually used as a jump freighter I mean [08:36] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:37] indy cap was a freighter.. 2 years ago there wasnt a jump freighter.. There's quite a diffrence between a ship that jumps to cynofields and a ship that has to go through gates [08:38] you want to do RAID on a single drive? it's technically possible (treat 2 or more partitions as RAID stripes), but it'll only slow things down [08:38] Ether_Man: yeah i know what you're saying, but they nerfed using carrier to move anything. and indy cap was good for jumping large amounts of stuff [08:38] Then it was the jump freighter but that only appeared about a year ago [08:39] the industrial capital ship, mobile refinery. capable of jumping. [08:40] That's mining capitol.. not indy capitol though.. [08:40] And I must say I've never heard of it being used for transportation though I guess it is possible [08:40] back then it was the only capital ship that was designed for warfare [08:40] and it was nerfed not long after i left. [08:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:41] wasnt rather [08:41] Which means it would have needed a much larger fleer for defence than say a carrier [08:42] which is why we setup a jump path for it [08:42] Which is why I've never heard of anyone using it for transport.. Because its much more dangerous [08:42] so it can jump jump jump jump jump [08:42] There's a CD on cyno jump you know... [08:43] yeah, and in friendly territory (pretty much whole way) it wasnt an issue [08:43] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Friendly? Try it now :) to reach goons you HAVE to pass us regardless if you want to or not.. We control a large enough section of space that you HAVE to make a stop in the middle [08:44] yeah exactly, shit changes in 2 years [08:44] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [08:45] basically, it was safer than a freighter because shallow 0.0 was always camped, and freighters always draw unwanted attention [08:45] Yea.. But carrier is better since it can defend itself [08:45] we were pretty small, didnt have the firepower or numbers to do a freighter run [08:45] they nerfed carrier. [08:46] Yes.. At the same time they nerfed the mobile refinery [08:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:48] so my question is this: is it worth getting a laptop with more than one hard drive? would i actually see any performance boost in some sort of RAID config, so long as I also got increased reliability with it? and is it worth it when both hard drives are the same age (hence reliability may not follow when the drives both are designed with the same estimated life span)? [08:48] TwinReverb: not worth it. [08:48] TwinReverb: if you're depending on a laptop to be reliable, you're doing something wrong :) [08:48] i personally don't think it's worth the extra weight and money [08:49] ok, say i am going to get a laptop and i still have that 500gb external USB hard drive. is it worth configuring even one hard drive (assuming i get a laptop with one hard drive) for striping if i run nightly backups to my USB hard drive? [08:49] TwinReverb: why would you stripe partitions on a single drive? [08:49] TwinReverb: get one of those... worldbook usb drives that has two drives in it. [08:50] Urchlay, just asking [08:50] spook, well i'm not that paranoid, i was only asking [08:50] any worthwhile raid needs two disks [08:50] now what might be worthwhile: set up an 80G partition on the external drive, and do RAID-1 with that and the built-in 80G drive [08:50] basically would striping be a good enough speed increase to justify, and would having an external hard drive help to prevent data corruption / loss ? [08:50] normally the RAID will run in degraded state (internal drive only) [08:51] TwinReverb: on a single drive, striping would be a major speed *decrease* [08:51] so you're saying software raid 1 to my external? can i do that with the OS already installed on the machine, or would i have to make major modifications to my installation? [08:52] no modifications [08:52] just change the partition type to fd [08:52] ...every few days, you plug in the external hard drive, with the other mirror of the RAID, and the kernel will update the external drive to be an up-to-date mirror of the internal [08:52] so i can go roaming with my laptop, then come home and plug in and it auto-syncs? [08:52] the rest of the external drive, you partition as 420G of non-RAID storage, and just use it like that [08:53] TwinReverb: yes. [08:53] TwinReverb: yah, that's the idea. Mind you, I haven't actually set up such a beast, just you got me thinking about RAID + laptops... [08:53] would it be worth running any more than one raid mirror partition on the external? like say i put 3 mirrors and then the 4th partition as "the rest"? [08:54] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-d22103e11b862f9e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] only because this external USB hard drive has a couple bad sectors (if i'm not mistaken) [08:54] no there is no speed increase from using the same disk over and over [08:54] TwinReverb: you mean, have 2 80G mirrors on the same external drive? No point (if the drive fails, you lose them both), plus it will get noticeably slower [08:54] and no point, and drives always have lots of spare sectors [08:54] well i was already abandoning the speed increase part of the raid [08:54] TwinReverb: what you want is a BACKUP, not REDUDANTCY [08:55] eh, if your drive is reporting bad sectors already, RMA it [08:55] is it worth the time to set up raid 1 on a usb drive if i have a nightly rsync job? [08:55] TwinReverb: what you want is a BACKUP, not REDUDANTCY [08:55] re-dude-ant-cy :) [08:55] and you redundantly said it twice :) [08:56] he is in raid 1 mode on irc now. [08:56] TwinReverb: if you have a nightly rsync job set up, might as well stick with that [08:56] what i figured, just asking [08:56] all using RAID buys you is automation, in that scenario [08:56] TwinReverb: unless you snapshot, backups or raid DOES NOT protect against corruption [08:57] rather, keeping multiple backup series [08:57] Urchlay: I just saw your comment about RAID + laptops... re: I'm going to be sticking two 500GB drives in my laptop for raid1 ;) [08:57] yeah, if you overwrite last week's good backup with this weeks corrupted data, that's a loss... [08:57] i don't understand. is an rsync job not good enough to protect against data corruption? i don't understand [08:58] TwinReverb: data corruption can happen no matter what method you're using... [08:58] rtfm [08:58] also, what if i get a laptop with two hard drives as raid 0: is there a performance increase in that situation? (assuming then i just use the external hard drive to back up my stuff) [08:58] Action: TwinReverb IS reading the fm [08:58] usually data corruption isn't done during the rsync/backup.. its done on disk before the backup... [08:58] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [08:58] TwinReverb: no it's just that... if the data on your laptop drive is actually corrupted... and you back it up... the backup will faithfully back up the corruption. Make sense? [08:58] hi [08:58] TwinReverb: your backup is fine. your laptop has corrupted some data since last backup. next backup, you'll overwrite the good data, with the corrupted data. [08:58] TwinReverb: there's always a speed increase on raid0.. however if you plan on keeping data on there.. I wouldn't do raid0 [08:58] oh so if it corrupts IN RAID 0 then a backup of it doesn't help. i think i get it. [08:59] right.. [08:59] Dominian: theres no speed increase if he makes two partitions on the same drive and stripes them [08:59] spook: that would totally defeat the purpose of raid0 [08:59] Dominian: and thats what he wanted to do [08:59] but how do you snapshot without taking forever? that's what i like about rsync is how it doesn't incinerate the external usb drive [08:59] then do raid1 [08:59] TwinReverb: You can do effective "snapshots" with rsync [08:59] man rsync(1) look at the -b flag [08:59] TwinReverb: rsnapshot, its on slackbuilds.org [09:00] TwinReverb: "corruption" could just mean wrong data, not a drive or filesystem error. Say, you accidentally overwrite your favorite dirty movie with a copy of "Ethel the Aardvark Goes Quantity Surveying" [09:00] sequential backups [09:00] Urchlay: you scare me [09:00] Urchlay: Its people like you that prision movies are made from ;) [09:00] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) got netsplit. [09:00] Dominian: gak, no, if I were in prison I'd lose my sense of humor entirely [09:01] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) returned to ##slackware. [09:01] oh i see, you're talking about keeping multiple backup sets [09:01] hi when i install a slack os...i tried to setup a hostname....what would be my hostname ip...is it the loopback address..? [09:01] no. [09:01] ruben23: start again. take your time [09:02] ruben23: when is it asking for your IP? sounds like you're configuring it with a static IP [09:02] as in rotating backups? i think what i mean is this: -b with rsync means that the files which change are sent to a separate location [09:02] spook: what would be....im confuse about localhost domain and my hostname... [09:02] they are "tagged" differently.. yes [09:02] rotating backups == tape reels :) [09:02] but that would confuse the @#$ out of me [09:02] TwinReverb: use rsnapshot!!! [09:02] its veeery simple [09:03] and uses rsync [09:03] rsnapshot is simple, but maybe he's doing this to further his knowledge of backups and rsync in general? [09:03] well wait let me see if i understand first lol [09:03] not everyone likes holding hands ;0 [09:03] spook: what would you recommend for a situation like... I've got a 900G raid-5 array, and the biggest thing I have to back it up to is DVD-Rs? [09:04] (assuming four separate partitions on the external drive for this intent) as in night 1, backup to sda1, night 2 sda1 becomes sda2 as a new sda1 is made, night 3 sda2->sda3, sda1->sda2 new backup is sda1, etc? [09:04] Urchlay: build a proper array (raid 1+0). [09:04] i'm not trying to hold hands, i'm trying to understand RAID and such things [09:04] spook: and don't say "lots of DVD-Rs" either :) [09:04] Urchlay: get a SAN solution [09:04] 1TB [09:04] done [09:04] TwinReverb: you can have one partition, and directories for each set [09:05] one of my friends recently recommended dvd-rw's as a backup method. i slapped him. [09:05] Dominian: isn't a "SAN solution" just a raid array with embedded OS though? [09:05] Urchlay: yep [09:05] Dominian:..? [09:05] i am building a 2tb raid 10 array on wednesday. :)_ [09:05] and its what most places/data centers are using these days for backups [09:05] by that measure, the box I'm talking about is already "SAN solution" for the crappy little LAN here :) [09:05] spook: ? [09:05] spook, well yeah same idea but what i mean is this: is that what you mean? that you have maybe 4 directories that rotate, with dir1 being most recent, dir2 second most recent, etc [09:05] ruben23: ? [09:05] ? [09:05] Urchlay: hahah youd idn't say that [09:05] yes about my question.. [09:05] Urchlay: set up an identical system... have them sync to each other [09:06] yeah... [09:06] TwinReverb: do you know how logrotate works? [09:06] spook: what would be....im confuse about localhost domain and my hostname... [09:06] spook, yeah [09:06] so like that then? [09:06] ruben23: hostname is .. hang on [09:06] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:06] slackadelic.com is my domain name [09:06] Slackaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:06] mail.slackadelic.com is the hostname [09:06] TwinReverb: yeah, except rsnapshot uses hardlinks to save space. [09:06] but that will differ for you of course [09:07] actually what I'm likely to do is buy 2 500G drives, put in USB or firewire enclosures, and back up the whole mess to "cold storage" (keep the backup drives powered down) [09:07] so it only uses the space for a complete copy (most recent), plus copies of changed files [09:07] how about the ip add they secure...? [09:07] well i recently had problems with hard links. somehow my rsync backup didn't back up the fact that some stuff in ~/public_html/ was hard linked to ~/Documents/ and so they all became separate files when i did a restore action (i was playing with drive partitions again like a moron) [09:07] and really don't need to back up every damn thing I have on here (it would annoy me, but not really hurt me, to lose some of this junk) [09:08] and my ~/public_html rsyncs with the server public_html so that managing my website is easy [09:08] TwinReverb: as long as what you're backing up to supports hardlinks, it will take care of it [09:08] so should i instead make symlinks from ~/public_html to the real files in ~/Documents? [09:08] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] well that's not what i received in return [09:08] but maybe it's because i used copy to copy from the backup to my new /home [09:08] er cp not rsync [09:09] heh, if I can survive another year without major data loss, I can afford to replace 5 250G drives with 5 1T drives, and start the whole mess over again... [09:09] Action: Kaapa has never used hard links in his >10 years of linux [09:09] Urchlay: hehe [09:09] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Urchlay: I INVOKE MURPHY'S LAW [09:09] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] spook: too late, I'm still flashing from the last time I got killed (temporary invulnerability, y'know) [09:10] lol [09:10] anyways, so that was the problem? when i restored i didn't do rsync -avz but i did cp and that's where the hard links became real files? [09:10] if you say so [09:10] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148371 that's what I'm lookin' at for my laptop [09:10] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-99-162-113-210.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] spook: actually in my experience of using cheap crappy hardware for stuff it was never intended for... it's usually rebooting after months of uptime that will kill stuff [09:11] dt_bw64_ (n=dtanner@adsl-99-162-113-210.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] i just want a laptop that is fast, reliable, and will last forever. so far my pentium-M 1.5GHz machine has lasted 4 years (almost 5) and i at least can use it in slackware so i'm happy so far [09:11] that's why i was asking about raid. i read the wiki on raid and the rsync man page on the -b option [09:11] and looking at this for home: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822201009 [09:11] and I really really need to take this machine down & replace the loud-ass old fans with new quiet ones [09:11] eh, so, you might get your wish, Old Man Murphy might pay me a visit [09:12] heh [09:12] Urchlay, hopefully the temperature controlled fans have improved since i last tried some [09:12] TwinReverb: eh, not temp controlled, these just don't make as much noise when spinning [09:12] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:12] the old fans, a couple of them literally came from a junkyard [09:12] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] heh [09:12] well i had some quiet fans too (antec case and 120mm "stealth" brand case fans) that worked great [09:12] (well, a "computer salvage" yard, same as a card junkyard, you-pull-it) [09:13] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] noctua are seriously quiet. [09:13] er, same as a car junkyard [09:13] anyone see problem on this..? http://pastebin.com/m3a445213 [09:13] Urchlay: those are awesome.. [09:13] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Action: The-Croupier is looking for a laptop.. but he has only 800 euros [09:13] anyways, so what's my best bet for a home laptop? laptop with one 250gb hard drive and use external hard drive for backups? and rsync is essentially the best bet in all likelihood? [09:13] Urchlay: because most people who go there have no clue what they are looking for.. someone like us.. can walk in and be "zomg.. how much is that!? 50cents!? HELL YEAH" [09:13] i don't mind moving my backup rsync script from cron.daily to cron.hourly :D [09:13] The-Croupier: you can get a nice laptop for that... [09:13] Dominian: sadly it's no longer in business [09:13] Urchlay: oh that sucks [09:14] but yeah, I loved going there, especially as I'd known the guy for many years [09:14] heh [09:14] TwinReverb: we're not going to shop for you [09:14] Dominian: can i? from where? here in greece most of them are crap for that amount of money [09:14] :( i was only asking because you guys got the experience [09:14] TwinReverb: Like I said.. I'm sticking (2) 500GB drives in my laptop in raid1.. anything I don't want to lose will be backed up to flash media [09:14] he'd hang on to stuff for me, knowing nobody else would know WTF to do with it (alphas, sparcs, weird little x-terminals and old amigas...) [09:14] The-Croupier: check dell.. I"m sure dell has european sales.. [09:15] Urchlay: damn some of that stuff is antiques now [09:15] without you guys i would've gotten a laptop with two 1TB hard drives in raid 1+0 or something retarded like that without justification [09:15] Urchlay: like..a miga [09:15] heh [09:15] Dominian: i see; ) thanks [09:15] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:15] Dominian, and for me, since i have an external 500gb, a single hard drive is best, right? :) [09:15] The-Croupier: not a problem.. Dell has some really good deals and they really aren't that bad of a laptop as long as yout ake care of them. [09:15] Dominian: yah, and it's in my storage unit right now... sadly there's no room here to set anything up [09:15] TwinReverb: hah [09:15] Urchlay: ahhhh [09:15] ehm, well, except the Atari 800, which is already set up, sitting right here next to me [09:16] Dominian: is installing slackware first day..taking care of it? [09:16] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] ok, how about the 64bit core 2 duo? is it worth 8gb ram right now? i plan on shrinking vista and probably never running it, just to stick slackware on it anyways :) [09:16] Urchlay: I saw somewhere someone took an old amiga I think it was.. and got apache running on it.. they use it as a basic webserver just to show the amiga was still useful [09:16] The-Croupier: ? [09:16] hi, i am using ark to extract entire directories from kdegames-3.5.10.tar.bz2 (from slackware source). when ark is finished extracting files I get an error dialogue msg that says : extraction operation failed, and then it lists files that are there? [09:16] how old does it have to be to be a true antique? 30 years? the 800 is almost there [09:16] Urchlay: I got a 7800 in storage hehe [09:16] blkdg, out of space? [09:16] Urchlay: 20 iirc [09:16] let me check [09:17] TwinReverb: What is the price range of that laptop? [09:17] Dominian: I wrote an IRC client for the 800 (uses SLIP, runs a real TCP/IP stack, app + stack fits in the 48K RAM and leaves about 8K free) [09:17] no, i'm doing it in home/username. and theres alot of space. [09:17] a lot [09:17] Urchlay: hehehe nice [09:17] rather [09:17] well, disclaimer, I didn't write the TCP/IP stack myself, I used uIP [09:18] Dominian, my budget is "as cheap as possible" so i can probably get a refurb dell 1420 with the cheapest 3MB L2 cache processor or higher, but there are some with 2gb, some with 4gb, etc, which is why i was asking if you guys think it's worth it (or not) to max out RAM right off the shelf. usually it seems that it is not worth it, but i wanted to ask. [09:18] blkdg: pastebin the output of df -h [09:18] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:18] Action: The-Croupier would love to know how to write an irc client [09:18] I dunno if that qualifies as "useful" (not like an amiga running apache), but to me anyway it counts as "neat" [09:18] TwinReverb: to me.. the more ram the better... but then again I do a lot of compiling on my laptop [09:19] ram is always goot [09:19] ->/dev/hda6 8.4G 269M 7.7G 4% /home [09:19] I fyou have the money to max it out.. go for it [09:19] see what i mean? [09:19] blkdg: what about / [09:19] actually.. where are you unpacking it to? [09:19] /home? [09:19] 81% for / [09:19] The-Croupier: if you're doing it on a modern machine, there's no real challenge (OK, not entirely true, if you're not already familiar with programming & network code...) [09:19] yes in /home [09:20] odd [09:20] Dominian: what is it going to do to your battery life, to run 2 drives? [09:20] blkdg, do a tar -xzf kdewhatever.tar.gz then delete unneeded dirs. [09:20] Urchlay: im not indeed.. i can read some programs but not write much [09:20] Urchlay: heh.. dude.. if I bought this laptop for battery life.. .. then I sorely screwed up ;) [09:20] slava_dp: do you think ark is acting up? [09:20] The-Croupier: now, to write a *nice* IRC client that everyone will want to use (like irssi or xchat or whatever)... *that* would be a challenge [09:21] Urchlay: this is a alienware aurora m9700.. 17" wide screen monitor.. full keyboard.. its not meant fo rbattery life.. its a mobile workstation .. [09:21] blkdg, dunno. i always use the command line to unpack things. more control this way. [09:21] Dominian: oh, the kind of "laptop" that makes you go sterile if you actually use it on your lap? [09:21] Urchlay: and yes.. i bought it because I've wanted to own something alienware for a slong as I can remember. [09:21] Urchlay: nope [09:21] Urchlay: it actually stays quite cool [09:21] ah, nice [09:21] i dunno about the whole "going sterile" thing [09:21] if it's that hot, i'd assume you'd have other problems like charred flesh [09:21] Urchlay: ther'es a pick of it on slackwaregallery.org under the "Rigs" section iirc [09:21] i'll try it. i just figured using ark would have been quicker. [09:22] ark.. [09:22] I do everything command line lol [09:22] blkdg, it would be tar -xjf kde.tar.bz2. [09:22] blkdg, -j is for bz2, -z is for gz [09:22] dt_bw64 (n=dtanner@adsl-76-233-37-58.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:23] Dominian: i do most of the time too [09:23] Dominian: damn, everyone has such neat & organized setups... [09:23] thanks, i need to look up bz2 in the man page each time. i automatically xzvf. [09:23] Urchlay: mines messy [09:24] spook: I wish I had a picture of my desk in my old room, before I moved to this tiny little hole in the wall [09:24] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "laters" [09:24] Dominian: found your laptop. For a minute, I thought the chair it's sitting on was part of the case (makes it look like a kid's toy or something) [09:25] Urchlay: You mean that little tykes table? [09:25] is that what it is? yellow, with blue edges [09:25] yeah [09:25] thanks again. [09:25] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [09:25] that's my daughter's table lol [09:25] Didn't have anywhere else to put it [09:26] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:26] I've had it for about 3 years now.. great laptop [09:26] runs slackware/slamd64 like a champ as well [09:26] not a criticism of your photographic technique or anything, just try looking at it and pretending you think the tabletop is part of the laptop... [09:27] one of these years I gotta get a laptop I'll actually carry around & use [09:27] (as in, lightweight, long battery life, screen that won't make me go blind) [09:29] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [09:29] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:29] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [09:29] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Urchlay: hehe [09:30] Urchlay: I got the alienware.. like I said because I've wanted one forever [09:30] Urchlay: but now.. I'd probably look at a dell or an ibm thinkpad or something [09:30] lenovo :> they're chinese now [09:31] cmiranda (n=cmiranda@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] can still run a tank over a thinkpad without much damage [09:31] cmiranda (n=cmiranda@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:32] thrice`: details.. details [09:32] thrice`: I guess I'll be buying Dell then. [09:33] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Urchlay: I suggest a thinkpad X61s [09:33] fred: hrmmm, you may have just tipped the scales, I had already been thinking about thinkpads [09:34] thinkpads are freaking awesome [09:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.186) joined ##slackware. [09:34] dad's got a lower-end one and it's pretty sweet (well, as sweet as possible, given that it's running windows XP) [09:34] they're usually all manufactured in china anyways. [09:34] yeah they are awesome.. howver with the economy going to shit.. I'd rather the money flow back into the US than to china :P [09:35] tell you what though [09:35] Urchlay: been running/developing slamd64 on it happily for years; and with the extended batteries, it's just silly [09:35] (on slamd64 stock kernel + low screen brightness, get 18h battery life while using wireless) [09:35] if anyone makes a decent laptop with a built-in trakball instead of the stupid touchpad, I'll buy one [09:35] and actually, part of the deal of lenovo acquiring ibm's pc division was that they move their HQ to new york. [09:35] AzalynX: didn't know that [09:35] lenovo back on the table [09:35] 18 hours with wireless? damn, yeah, that'd be enough even for me [09:36] that's with the long-life out the back and the extended one underneath (in the docking station slot) [09:36] the nnormal slimline battery manages around 3 [09:36] well so far everyone seems to say that the dell inspiron 1420 series has the best keyboard [09:36] what's the total weight with the extended battery in? [09:36] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-201969.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:36] to me that's a huge deal [09:36] So basically fred.. your lenovo weight as much as my alienware or even more with all that gear on it? hehe [09:36] The SEC mandated that, before approving the deal. [09:36] TwinReverb: no laptop keyboard will ever satisfy my demanding taste in keyboards, so I don't worry about it as a selling point... [09:36] well i mean more in key weight and ergonomics [09:37] Urchlay: never weighed it, but still feels lighter (and still smaller) than my old asus [09:37] Personally I'm looking at getting an HP 6910p [09:37] Dominian: less :p [09:37] Which is one of their business line laptops. (their consumer line sucks from what i've been told, but their business line is amazing) [09:37] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-136-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:37] TwinReverb: if it's not an IBM model M, it's mushy crap... I can deal with mushy crap in a laptop though (no choice) [09:37] Urchlay: the only problem with the X61s is if your demands on screen size are more than "80 cols, thanks, that's fine" [09:37] and thinkpads tend to have nicer keyboards than most laptop [09:38] (luck of the draw though, lenovo use 3 different keyboard manufacturers, 2 aree nice, one sucks) [09:38] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] fred: how much is the weight with all that? [09:38] is the x series widescreen? [09:38] Dominian: I just said, I've never weighed it :p [09:38] AzalynX: nope. [09:38] i thought that was the one series they had that wasnt [09:38] Action: fred is happy with his 1024x768 [09:39] heh, 4:3 needs to die. [09:39] :P [09:39] "small" was something I wanted. [09:39] strongly disagree :p [09:39] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] i run 1280x800 on my thinkpad :> [09:39] i run 1280x1024 [09:39] :/ [09:39] small? even the netbooks these days are wide. [09:39] wide good for games and movies, strongly prefer 4:3 (or even 5:4 if I'm on cheap monitors) for working [09:39] "weight: 8-cell cylindrical: 1.63kg (3.56lb)" [09:40] 1440x900 here on my laptop [09:40] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [09:40] 1440x900 is my preferred minimum for laptops. [09:40] eh, so is "8-cell cylindrical" supposed to mean the extended battery I wonder... [09:40] I've got dualscreen, one 22" and one 19". It rocks. [09:40] 1280x800 might do in a pinch. [09:40] hello [09:40] fred: i don't see why it would be a problem working in 16:10 [09:41] I just like having more horizontal space in general. [09:41] AzalynX: I'd go higher res.. but the highest supported resolution on my laptop is 1440x900 [09:41] actually widescreen is bad for a lot of the stuff I do (retro games, emulators, and watching old TV shows) [09:42] Dominian: well, with laptops, the problem is that for a resolution higher than 1440x900, the laptop itself will be larger. [09:42] though wide is a win for having decent-sized xterms sitting side by side [09:42] Urchlay: well, it's up to the emulator or media player to add the black bars.. [09:43] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] in the case of retro games i suppose the only way is to play windowed.. unless it's in dosbox, in which case i would say that they should find a way to solve the issue when using fullscreen mode. [09:43] AzalynX: a comfortable keyboard + mouse buttons + comfortable space for wrists ~= the area of a 1024x768 screen [09:43] AzalynX: yeah, most video players do, most emulators don't (in fullscreen mode I mean) [09:44] (see X61s) - if it was a widescreen, either it would be wider (bad), or less palm space (bad), or wasting vertical space in the screen panel (bad) [09:44] fred: maybe if you're used to that.. the keyboard doesn't have to be bigger just because the screen is... [09:44] It's normal sized keys. [09:44] i miss the days of 4:3 screens [09:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:45] Action: TwinReverb wishes he could own a laptop with a 1600x1200 screen [09:45] :| [09:45] TwinReverb: I miss the days when my back was strong enough to lift my 21" 4:3 CRT [09:45] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [09:45] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:45] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [09:45] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:46] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] Anyone know how to get "find | xargs" to work with special chars/spaces? [09:47] find -print0 | xargs -0 [09:48] ty [09:48] suddenly wondering if i should use -exec instead tho [09:48] a friend of mine asked me what the first numer in ls -l stands for [09:49] the colum after permissions [09:49] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:49] (it's a find -nouser | chown) [09:49] and I have no idea ^-^ [09:49] slackytude: it's the link count [09:50] Urchlay, thx [09:50] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [09:50] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [09:53] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [09:54] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-190988.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [09:55] SM177Y (n=sm177y@rvr34nbar046.nmu.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[10:15] / [10:15] / [10:16] in vi, press / and type what you want to find [10:16] nille_ (i=1000@85.230.97.160) joined ##slackware. [10:16] <3 vi [10:16] yeah, vi > like everything [10:16] does ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt work for you? [10:17] AzalynX: except vim [10:17] nille_: does it load? yah [10:17] *ag3ntugly [10:17] nille_: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt work for you? [10:17] and qt creator once the fakevim plugin gets a bit better :p [10:17] :| [10:18] mozex firefox extension + vim [10:18] (write forum posts with vim... hate the stupid built-in editor) [10:19] [10:19] Zordrak that one works for me only that the main ftp didn't [10:20] Urchlay: I just found an awesome plugin for firefox that allows me to write my blog posts right from firefox.. love it [10:20] the ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt didn't show any text [10:21] nille_: WFM [10:21] Dominian: eh? as in, you normally write them elsewhere than in the browser? [10:21] nille_: it would be best to use a differnet mirror [10:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] Urchlay: meaning its a plugin.. no need to login to my blog to post.. I can do it right from firefox.. on the fly. [10:21] Urchlay: makes it nice.. don't have to login then create etc etc.. just do it all on the fly [10:21] Dominian: ahhh, ok [10:21] I hate java [10:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [10:23] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [10:23] i only checks the changelog on slackware.com but i use another to update [10:23] java for teh lose [10:24] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) joined ##slackware. [10:24] BP{k} that explains it [10:24] aTunes is a very nice java app ;) [10:25] BP{k}: WFM? [10:25] if it was written in VB, it wouldnt make VB suck any less [10:25] you can write good stuff in bad languages... and definitely can write crap in any language :) [10:26] Dominian: Works For Me. [10:26] hxc (n=hxc@88-202-45-98.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] BP{k}: doh [10:27] BP{k}: I'm getting rusty [10:29] BP{k} i can wget it but i can't look at it in firefox but the mirrors works [10:30] nille_: i think you are checking the wrong end then [10:30] hiya BP{k} long time no see [10:31] nille_: seriously, one should avoid using slackware.com as a mirror for anything ;) [10:31] The-Croupier: how's things? [10:31] Urchlay: python? [10:31] well as i said before i only check the changelog on slackware.com [10:32] AzalynX: eh? monty? [10:32] been worse.. how about you? been up to something special lately [10:32] i thought the idea of python was to make writing crap difficult. [10:32] difficult maybe. Impossible no :) [10:33] AzalynX: Every language has claimed that at some point. [10:33] When everybody had to write their code in binary, assembly was seen as a great way to prevent major problems. [10:33] heh, BASIC probably claimed that in the 1960s [10:33] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.144.136.117) joined ##slackware. [10:33] It's all about relativity. [10:34] The-Croupier: not really :) [10:34] Relatively speaking, Python is probably harder to write crap in than Java. [10:34] Personally, Ruby keeps me in line. [10:34] And honestly, the best code I write is in C. So take it as you will. [10:36] Could someone help me with a symbol lookup error I am have with audacious? [10:36] Action: The-Croupier broke his laptop :( [10:37] hxc: What symbol lookup error? [10:38] in a shell if I type "audacious" i get "audacious: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mcs/libkeyfile.so: undefined symbol: mcs_list_append" [10:38] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Interesting. Did you install a newer version of audacious, by any chance? [10:40] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) joined ##slackware. [10:40] hxc: http://linuxpackages.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112155&sid=c1c13dc703917294d79b8288d86c074f [10:40] hi all, i get this error when updating slapt-get : Retrieving checksum signature [http://zenwalk.linuxish.net/i486/snapshot/]...Not Found , is there a command for solving this?? [10:40] I tried to install the newest version, then it requested updated dependencies, i installed those and then audacious still would not install, so I thought ill jsut got back to the old version [10:41] the boss is buying me a new one for sending emails stoobie enough for users to understand ;) [10:41] aperturefever I will look at that [10:41] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [10:41] hmm i think its not a good idea (the link i just posted) [10:41] limpio: We don't support either slapt-get or Zenwalk in here. [10:42] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [10:42] aperturefever: Why wouldn't it be a good idea? [10:42] It looks like a fine idea to me. [10:42] limpo couldnt you try slapt-get --no-md5 [10:42] jkwood, ok, thanks, i thought being zw based on slack, that wouldn't be a problem, thanks anyway [10:42] dt_bw64_ (n=dtanner@adsl-99-162-113-210.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] Given that rworkman gave the advice, it's 99% likely to be solid. [10:43] limpio: We're under no obligation to support downstream. If they can't support their community, then that's their problem. [10:43] |vinnie_| (n=kvirc@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Another thing to point out I am on slackware 12.0.0 [10:43] |vinnie_| (n=kvirc@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [10:44] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] hxc: which version of audacious are you trying to install and from where? [10:45] hxc, thank you that solved the problem [10:45] jkwood, i said i understood and thanked you, isn't that enough? [10:45] no problem limpio i have been though my fair share of issues with slapt-get [10:46] Just clarifying why "based on" isn't a good reason for us to support it. [10:46] BP{K} i am trying to install version 1.4.6.i486-1ultra [10:46] I give the same advice to users of Vector, Slax, and Absolute. ;) [10:46] Guest83937 (n=andre@dslb-084-059-201-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] hxc, is slack-get better? (i think that is the name) [10:47] limpio, i use slapt-get with glsapt gui [10:47] jkwood, duly noted :) [10:47] Did you mean: slackpkg? [10:47] And, I put it much more nicely than most of the others around here. [10:47] probably, slackpkg [10:47] jkwood, give it a rest... [10:47] lol [10:47] hxc: uhm .... okay, and where did you get this package from? [10:47] limpio: only if you switch over to slackware ;) [10:48] And now, I'm going to go nicely take a shower before my class. [10:48] indeed [10:48] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:48] slackware 12.0.0 repository [10:48] the third world is grateful, happy trails... [10:49] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-61-68-217-43.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:49] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-61-68-217-43.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:49] ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:49] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:49] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-61-68-217-43.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:49] hxc: which slackware 12.0.0 repository? [10:50] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:50] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.0/ [10:51] ah. [10:51] nick01 (n=chatzill@91.123.7.40) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I have like 3 repositories that I have loaded [10:51] such as? :) [10:52] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.0/ [10:52] 1) fail [10:52] continue, though [10:52] http://software.jaos.org/slackpacks/12.0/ [10:52] thrice`: s/1/2/ [10:52] :) [10:53] http://riksun.riken.go.jp/pub/pub/Linux/slackware/slackware-12.0/ [10:53] uhm ... [10:53] this is a mirror of the first [10:53] why do you have two mirros? [10:53] and you should avoid using slackware.com as a mirror. [10:54] it's very slow [10:54] hxc: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.0/multimedia/audacity/ [10:54] slackbuilds are a better choice than premade packages [10:54] If you're using slackpkg.. you can only use one mirror... [10:54] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-136-51.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:54] I noticed it was slow thats why i added more, so i could get things faster [10:54] hxc: that's total fail.. adding "more" doesn't give you speed [10:54] i am using slapt-get with gslapt [10:54] slapt-get is total fail [10:54] if you want to use slackbuilds, use sbopkg [10:54] Action: Dominian goes back to work.. its more interesteing [10:55] heh [10:55] hxc: have you tried building slacky.eu's version from source with the files they provided? [10:56] Nick change: twolf__ -> twolf [10:56] no but I can try, its worth a shot [10:56] is there a way to use sbopkg to compile slacky packages from their SlackBuilds [10:56] ivo: I doubt it and certainly don't hope so. [10:57] I'll check if there is rsync provided for slacky [10:57] it should work if there is [10:58] should i try the slack build first from the link provided by aperturefever? [10:58] agentc0re: pong [10:59] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:59] FWIW, slapt-get is not the problem there. Also FWIW, the most recent slapt-get appears to handle things correctly wrt "upgrades" that are really downgrades. [10:59] <_chess_> ivo: slacky.eu would need to maintain a repo of slackbuild scripts in a style similar to slackbuilds.org [11:00] slapt-get is as good (or as bad) as the repositories you tell it to use. [11:00] rworkman: I agree. In my opinion, the repositories have bad dependency information. [11:00] _chess_: thanks for the info [11:01] my issue was finding good repositories that are fast. [11:01] try finding a slacky mirror [11:01] why one would try to use a dependency resolution in a distro that is designed to avoid it at all costs is beyond me :| [11:01] hxc: http://slackware.com/~alien/ and mine, plus official mirrors, are the only ones I'd want. [11:01] does your speed suffer? [11:01] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.144.136.117) left irc: "woops" [11:02] hxc: you could also create a local repository of your custom stuff (built with sbopkg perhaps) and use that too. [11:02] thrice`: I think the goal is to avoid depedency checking build-in pkgtool, that will be the real evil thing [11:02] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176079177.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:02] hxc: my site should be plenty fast. The only "drawback" to my repo is that I don't build in the slack-* files that slapt-get needs, so you still have to read my ChangeLog :) [11:02] rworkman: why is your openoffice package not built from source? [11:02] yeah rworkman ! :) [11:03] ivo: try building OOo from source some day, and then you won't have to ask :) [11:03] rworkman: I mean... it's made from deb [11:03] rworkman: isn't there a slackbuild? [11:03] ivo: There's also a SlackBuild series for gnome. That's not half the battle. [11:03] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8a6b289d6c16fa69) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:03] (2.x slackbuild, that can be easly adapted for 3.x) [11:04] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: "leaving" [11:04] I'm sorry for messing you, I'm just curious [11:06] SM177Y (n=sm177y@rvr34nbar046.nmu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:06] ivo: actually it's not made from .debs. [11:06] The only answer I can give you is to *try* it. :) [11:06] s/deb/rpm/ [11:06] on recent hardware, OOo still takes 6 hours or so to build [11:07] sorry for the mistake [11:07] such adaption is not always succesful [11:07] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:07] in fact, I'm suprised that something so complicated to build is working just by converting the package :) [11:08] well it's better to repack the official release for bug reporting etc. [11:09] rworkman: if you mean slack-required and slack-suggested (not slack-desc) you can try requiredbuilder [11:09] kevlinux (n=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] ivo: I'm fully aware of how to make them. I refuse to do so :) [11:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:10] rworkman have you had anytime to look at the OOo patch yet? [11:10] slack-required and slack-suggested aren't "official" form files are they? [11:10] nille_: working on OOo-3.0.1 now :) [11:10] Dominian: no. [11:10] Dominian: no. [11:10] rworkman: I've just wanted to recommend requiredbuilder. It's much easier than writing your own script [11:10] didn't think so [11:10] <_chess_> ivo: what rworkman says will work -- in fact, next release of sbopkg will allow user to set 'local' as the SLACKVER in order to use this local repo. You would put the local repo side by side with the mirrored SBO [11:10] so why the hell would I create one? [11:10] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.130) joined ##slackware. [11:10] lol [11:11] <_chess_> e.g. /home/sbo/12.2 for SBo 12.2 and /home/sbo/local for local scripts [11:11] rworkman :) [11:11] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:11] <_chess_> and then sbopkg will pick them up [11:11] mina86|aw: we really don't care. [11:12] For a custom solution with "easy" patches and updates to custom packages, such as a case where you're supporting multiple installations, a *properly* configured slapt-get installation would be very handy. [11:12] hxc: I would remove the audacious you have installed, plus the libs you upgraded in a try out to get it to work, get the build files and build it from scratch and see if that works. (and no, I don't respond to pm's), questions like that are better dealt with in-channel. [11:12] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [11:12] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:12] mina86|aw: you've been asked several times to turn off the auto-away stuff. [11:13] mina86|aw: this ban will expire in a few hours. By then, I hope you've fixed that. Next time, it won't expire. [11:13] ##slackware: mode change '+b mina86|aw!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [11:13] mina86|aw kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [11:13] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [11:14] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] rworkman: hey man. I installed your xfce goodies, xarchiver and xfburn. the xfburn and thunar-archive-plugin. After the install the icons that go with those programs weren't showing. i had to run gtk-update-icon-cache -t -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor to get them appear. Is that normal? [11:15] agentc0re: well, kinda. [11:15] rworkman: by the way, have you seen "squeeze?" a pretty neat archieve app for xfce [11:15] _HAKERA_ (n=LAMERIII@87-126-98-187.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:15] <_HAKERA_> hi [11:15] agentc0re: I should really add a postinstall to those to update the icon cache if it exists. The icon cache is updated on boot if it exists, but really, packages shouldn't be creating the cache - it's worthless. [11:16] <_HAKERA_> can somebody help me to install java? [11:16] thrice`: I have, and I *think* we've got a build fro it at SBo. Not sure though [11:16] _HAKERA_: yes, just install the pacakge from slacky [11:16] <_HAKERA_> i do all that is labeled in the site [11:16] _HAKERA_: isn't there a package? [11:16] _HAKERA_: it's part of Slackware. l/jre [11:16] <_HAKERA_> but nothing......... [11:16] :) [11:16] <_HAKERA_> ok 10x [11:16] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:16] <_HAKERA_> so to don`t use binnary from site? [11:16] it was in extra/ :D [11:16] rworkman: if they don't create the cache, how are the icons supposed to get updated? Is there another method? [11:16] ivo: no, it's not. [11:16] or I am wrong again [11:17] yes, I am :P [11:17] fail [11:17] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:17] slackbuilds has jdk [11:17] The java runtime is l/jre -- the java devel kit is extra/jdk [11:17] hmmm i always miss the extra dir :/ [11:18] <_HAKERA_> i want to play 1 game in internet [11:18] <_HAKERA_> so to use l/jre......? [11:18] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/squeeze/ [11:19] <_HAKERA_> is this for me? [11:19] <_HAKERA_> in slacky.it when i type java it return only 4 results.... [11:21] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:21] _HAKERA_ ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/l/ [11:22] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:22] use the jre from there if your on 12.2 [11:23] <_HAKERA_> it`s 12.1 but i`ll edit link :) [11:23] <_HAKERA_> 10x [11:25] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.13) joined ##slackware. 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[11:54] OOo-3.0.1 at http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ now for anyone interested :) [11:55] so i'm faced with a dilema... i hvae a macbook here... what linux distro to install on it... [11:55] *have [11:55] Necos, Slackware. [11:55] Is it Intel or PPC? [11:56] that's what i was gonna check actually [11:57] slack_fan (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] slack_fan (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:57] elecman (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] 2.1ghz core2duo, 1gb 667 ddr2... hmmm [11:57] so i can install slackware, it seems [11:57] Nick change: elecman -> slack_fan [11:58] adamozzockia (n=adamozzo@118.136.83.182) left irc: Client Quit [11:59] will there be packages of kde 4.2 available tomorrow from some source ? [11:59] "maybe" [12:00] Neo-Zionist (n=Neo-Zion@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] BP{k}: if so where will they be available ? I'm not holding much hope to find them in testing [12:01] The *official* release Necos [12:01] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] :-) [12:01] That's great, isn't it? [12:01] LOL [12:02] a+++++ joek, would laff again [12:02] nick01: no idea. Like I said, or tried to convey, is that someone probably will make packs. However who that will be and what their quality will be , I can't say. [12:02] giuppy (n=giuppy@host143-165-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:03] BP{k}: k tks [12:03] 18:02:42 <@wot> men det skulle ju bli enkelt att ha stödfest på 44an nu, så har vi en-två stödfester tror jag vi kan gå lite plus iaf. [12:03] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:03] whops [12:04] rworkman i looked at the openoffice.org.SlackBuild and it looks good i will try it now :) [12:04] kjell: gesundheit [12:04] BP{k}: :-| what :D [12:04] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:04] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [12:05] schiavo - verb - To terminate a process, task, or relationship that is yielding little response, and no benefit. To pull the plug. [12:05] kill -9 `pidof zombie` [12:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:06] intel macbooks... fun stuff [12:06] pkill for short [12:06] alias pkill=shiavo [12:06] wrong order :( [12:07] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:07] linux questions anyone? [12:07] how long should a zombie process veg out before its considered shiavo-able? [12:07] killall -9 [12:08] Action: ag3ntugly packs his bags for hell on that one [12:08] hehehe [12:08] dont worry, its been long enough [12:09] grr no OOo-3.0.1 in my swedish yet :( [12:09] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:09] <- glad to have no need/use for OOo [12:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:10] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:10] work is for slaves! [12:10] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [12:11] bahaha #2 for terrorist on urbandictionary is George W Bush [12:11] ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:11] kjell no swedish here please :p [12:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) left irc: [12:12] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. 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[12:16] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.190) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] no diggity [12:16] rworkman: wait.. working on 3.0.1 OOo.... what the hell changed from 3.0.0 to 3.0.1 to warrant another release? lol [12:16] you mean "dignity" righT? [12:17] nick01 (n=chatzill@91.123.7.40) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008121711]" [12:17] well there are updates to the build script for once [12:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) joined ##slackware. [12:17] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:17] BP{k}, http://24.126.181.37/np [12:20] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:20] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:21] Action: Neo-Zionist checks slamd64 for 12.2 [12:23] it's almost out :) [12:23] you think ill get any speed improvement in say...3d games on a dual opteron 244 system? [12:23] only if the game is multithreaded =p [12:24] and 64 bit [12:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:24] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] does 64 bit kernel/userland offer any realistic speed improvements over 32/32 ? i'd think it has slightly more overhead ? [12:25] ir does [12:25] it* [12:25] well screw that then [12:25] ? [12:25] straterra: which part of that were yuo saying "it does" to.. it was two questions lol [12:25] i only have 4 gigs ram [12:25] it has realistic speed improvements [12:25] heh [12:25] oh... [12:25] guess ill have to try it [12:26] Neo-Zionist: 4GB of ram is more than enough [12:26] i want 12 gb [12:26] oops 2gb [12:26] 2GB is fine [12:26] lol [12:26] that's what I run with [12:26] if i had 4gb, i'd want 64bit [12:26] i run 64 bit with 2 [12:26] not really [12:26] wish i had more [12:26] straterra: I want 12GB too however that's going to have to wait a while... [12:26] straterra: zomg, portage in ram :> [12:26] so you are saying that slamd64 will run faster than slackware on a 64bit proc [12:26] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:26] straterra: going to help friends with a hotel fo r afew nights because they were displaced by fire on Saturday night [12:26] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] so money is fail for things *I* want [12:27] you don't _HAVE_ to have 64bit with 4gb [12:27] nope [12:27] you can do 4GB with 32bit kernel with PAE enabled. [12:27] but its still not the same [12:27] straterra why 12GB? why you need that much? [12:27] and you can have 64bit w/o having 4gb (makes room for upgrade) [12:27] Action: thrice` wonders why people *wouldn't* run 64-bit, though [12:28] Dominian, money is fail by the definition of money....it currently only meats one criteria [12:28] s/meats/meets [12:28] store of value > means of circulation imo...but we only get one apparently [12:28] Action: nille_ second thrice [12:28] meats? [12:28] lol [12:29] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:29] slack_fan (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.153.162.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] slackware is the greatest distro ever [12:30] todakure (n=todakure@189.114.209.57.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:30] we all knows that :p [12:30] not enough people [12:31] start punching them in the face >.> [12:32] Action: nille_ ouch! [12:33] lol [12:33] our 'we' is too small [12:33] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-134-227.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:33] except mine [12:33] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] Dominian: no idea - I didn't read the release notes :) [12:34] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [12:34] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Connection timed out [12:35] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [12:36] kama_ (n=kama@host222-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] it's not even on the main page yet... [12:37] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. 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[12:49] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] elecman (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Nick change: elecman -> slack_fan [12:54] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.170) joined ##slackware. [12:55] zGhost (i=dave@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [12:55] hello [12:55] heloogle [12:56] 3rd pot of coffee > left ventricle [12:56] anyone know of any legitimate online jobs (just got laid off) :( [12:56] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [12:56] zGhost, get used to being unemployed [12:56] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:56] yeah, I'm either going to have to join the service [12:56] or die [12:57] nein [12:57] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] join the peacecorp before the service...though american peace corpers probably get murdered now [12:57] hmmmm [12:58] zGhost: air force if you do join.. more money.. nicer living quarters etc hehe [12:58] work for the DMV first man [12:59] uh [12:59] I've been looking for months [12:59] nobody calls back [12:59] I guess I'm going to have to keep calling back and harass them [12:59] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] i turned down a job not too long ago [12:59] heh [12:59] I wouldn't turn anything down [13:00] you would if they didnt offer you enough money for you to sit in traffic every day like a lemming [13:00] zGhost: ever seen that "Dirtiest Jobs" show ? I bet there's some of those you'd turn down ... ick [13:00] corporate share-cropping FTL [13:00] nope [13:00] I'd do it, I need food and a place to live [13:00] can't be too picky [13:00] McDonald's ? [13:01] its fun to stay at the YMCA [13:01] in front of home depot they give away free hot dogs daily [13:01] rk4n3: applied to McD's like 8 times [13:01] no calls back [13:01] just fyi [13:01] I've called them too... but they told me to quit calling [13:01] burn the fucker to the ground [13:01] zGhost: wow, do you not shave and have 4-foot long hair or something ? [13:01] prison gives you food and room [13:01] no, I'm not friends with the manager [13:02] I live in a small town [13:02] you have to suck people off to get a job around here [13:02] zGhost: try a different McD's, or even a Wendy's or something ... [13:02] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.57.32.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] zGhost: ah, might have to relocate - I've had to do that [13:02] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-241-17-241.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] zGhost, do you have any degrees? [13:02] rk4ne: is this a reason for not taking him ? :P [13:02] I'm in school right now [13:02] zGhost, scholarship? [13:02] yeah [13:02] thats good, get a campus job [13:03] I've gotten great grades all throughout school [13:03] aperturefever: sure, not necessarily a good reason, but definitely some places think that way [13:03] but I guess I'm not fast food material [13:03] campus work study job [13:03] I think you have to be stupid to work fast food actually. [13:03] you sit in a computer lab and put paper in the printer [13:03] they seem to only hire idiots [13:03] zGhostwhere you live in the world? [13:03] you cant get into the military if your iq is too high [13:03] just fyi [13:03] rk4n3: well.. in that case they suck big time [13:03] worst place to be... Michigan [13:04] and no I don't have the resources to relocate [13:04] I'd lose my scholarship [13:04] zGhost, dont waste your scholarship! [13:04] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:04] and possibly end up losing everything [13:04] Action: thrice` is in MI :( [13:04] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:04] thrice`: Working at McD's is tough competition :| [13:04] school is the best place for economic depression [13:04] lol [13:04] Action: rk4n3 is in MN, MI's colder sister-state [13:04] pretty sad [13:04] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:04] todakure (n=todakure@189.114.209.57.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:04] i'll get my PHD probably [13:05] lol, tried to live at home while I was going to school [13:05] I got told to get bent [13:05] so right now I'm living with a friend, and have to be out in a few days [13:05] if I don't find a job, I have nowhere to live [13:05] which is why I'm panicking [13:07] zGhost: so what reason do your parents give for not wanting you to live with them ? [13:07] zGhost, how old are you [13:07] 20 [13:07] almost 19 right now [13:07] rk4n3: that they raised me for 18 years [13:07] and it's not their job anymore [13:07] lol [13:07] zGhost: well, they're right [13:07] I know, but it's not my fault the company I worked for tanked [13:08] burn their house to the ground and then mimick what they do to get situated [13:08] and nobody calls me back when I spent 2+ hours a day getting aps [13:08] the term family in your places ppl has lost its point [13:08] zGhost, you know about unemployment right? use the nanny state before it becomes big brother [13:08] zGhost: but there's usually more reason than that for not allowing a college-age child live at home while going to school [13:08] or its meaning [13:08] rk4n3: no not really [13:08] I'm the youngest of 4 kids [13:09] zGhost: get to school. ... [13:09] my oldest brother being 15 years older than me [13:09] ask money from your brothers/sisters [13:09] they're sick of raising children, which is their fault ironically [13:09] zGhost, if your parents force you into debt while in college with a scholarship...they arent very good parents [13:09] if they didn't want more kids they should have used a rubber [13:09] zGhost: well, I'm sorry to hear that, but I had the same situation when I was your age, except I didn't have any parents left, so it wasn't a matter of choice on anyone's part [13:09] zGhost: I worked at Hardees, gas stations, etc... [13:09] I'd take anything I could get [13:10] I'd even clean septic tanks [13:10] unemployment office! [13:10] joachim1 (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:10] you get 16 weeks pay or something [13:10] seriously, I applied for a septic tank cleaning position [13:10] Action: duryodhan is planning to come to us of a and is now scared [13:10] duryodhan: don't, and obama isn't going to fix the country [13:10] lol [13:10] yeah [13:10] lol [13:10] why would you want to do that? [13:10] I don't see anything short of mass industrialization fixing it [13:10] I am coming to get my phd [13:11] got a scholarship? [13:11] duryodhan, indian? [13:11] whatever you say .. you guys have the best schools [13:11] yeah [13:11] obama is going to fix the country... [13:11] indians rule [13:11] Schools suck everywhere. [13:11] duryodhan: you can have the best schools, but if you have no jobs, it doesn't mean shit [13:11] Obama has been in office just under a week... [13:11] rob0: Good point [13:11] zGhost: I can come back to my country [13:11] Dominian, he's an establisment candidate [13:11] How in the hell does that reflect anything he's going to get done for teh Country? [13:11] If you want to learn computing, teach yourself. [13:11] you mean obama isn't going to get our deficit taken care of in a week? [13:12] i should have voted for nader [13:12] Dominian: that was why the [13:12] lol [13:12] nix_chix0r: lol [13:12] there is no fixing it.... [13:12] heh [13:12] Dominian: when I say Obama can't fix it... I don't mean because it'd be Obama's fault [13:12] all the income tax doesnt even pay the interest owed the the federal reserve bankers [13:12] he's limited in what he can do [13:12] zGhost: It won't get fixed this year.. I'd say "Maybe" next year.. if we're lucky [13:12] it's the fault of politicians who have over spent to the point we have a deficit that is insanely huge [13:12] IG farben style takeover in 3-2- [13:12] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] Dominian: no it won't [13:12] a solution would be to take gates, and oprahs money [13:13] Ha, one thing I think he's going to have BIG and FAST success in is in foreign policy. The world is so glad to see the end of Bush that they'll bend over backwards for Obama/Clinton now. [13:13] Do you know the amount of billions they blow each day in Iraq? [13:13] rob0: oh yes [13:13] nix_chix0r, gates isnt as rich as you think...there are trillionaires out there [13:13] and the billions in bailout dollars [13:13] you just dont know their names [13:13] rob0: there were tons of people around the world that were happy to see Obama. [13:13] nix_chix0r: ouch - that's hardly fair - theft is theft, even if you don't like the victim [13:13] we've dug ourselves a massive hole [13:13] uhh I didn't [13:13] we are consumer whoers! [13:13] we didn't [13:13] the government did [13:13] government did [13:13] well i guess they cant take my money if i dont have any:D [13:13] rk4n3: all government is based on the idea of legalized theft [13:13] spent my money on grap [13:13] well yeah [13:13] Dominian: :) [13:14] (##slackware) Channel ban on mina86|aw!*@* expired. [13:14] crap that is [13:14] ##slackware: mode change '-b mina86|aw!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:14] but the problems we're seeing [13:14] won't be fixed in Obamas time [13:14] but.. one thing that Obama isd oing.. is getting our troops out of the middle east finally. [13:14] Dominian, bs [13:14] no business being there [13:14] well we'll have to get them out [13:14] time to let them take over [13:14] if he does that, they will just come home and start policing us [13:14] nah [13:14] rob0: not all government - only government that reaches past its legitimate functions - OK, so that's pretty much all government, but it doesn't have to be that way :) [13:15] Dominian, you want reference material? the military says it has a new role [13:15] more than willing to prove anything i say [13:15] Tax is theft, and what is government without tax? [13:15] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:16] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:16] rob0, non-apportioned income tax is unconstitutional....property tax is slavery....but sales tax is AWESOME [13:16] rob0: I agree that much of what passes for "tax" is theft, but theoretically taxation should be seen as agreement of the people to pay for what government provides [13:16] if we only had 20% sales tax and nothign else, we'd change americans into savers [13:16] and not consumer dildos [13:16] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.57.32.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:17] lol [13:17] no we wouldnt [13:17] rob0 you got alot of taxes? [13:17] lowering consumption is important, even if it brings a depression.... [13:17] 20% sales tax would be retarded anyway, since it would cut into corporate profits and would be passed on to the consumer again =p [13:17] saving is important even if it adds to the fractional reserve lending model (exponential) [13:18] Neo-Zionist: If you want a depression by all means... get rid of all your money.. house car.. whatever.. live on the streets.. I for one do not want a depression [13:18] Dominian, its unavoidable without ww3 [13:18] but thats obvious [13:18] uh huh [13:18] war solves nothing. [13:18] Neo-Zionist: that seems like a leap to me [13:18] never has [13:19] It may create jobs.. but doesn't create anything else. [13:19] War. War never changes [13:19] it improves manufacturing [13:19] decreases number of useless eaters [13:19] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:20] Dominian: war does create things... like holes in the ground [13:20] aye [13:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Neo-Zionist: I think you're relying on the historical fact that the US great depression didn't get any better at all until after WWII, but that doesn't mean the same thing would happen after WWIII [13:20] and lots of new scrap metal [13:20] if we dont start ww3 then asia takes over, and we go into depression anyway [13:20] Neo-Zionist: Yeah.. that's done great for us in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't it? [13:20] Dominian, you dont understand the plan [13:21] we are being destroyed from the inside out [13:21] No I understand it.. and its idiotic. [13:21] You sound like Rush LImbaugh [13:21] and he's a moron [13:21] they were just throwing money away...on purpose [13:21] L. Rushbo [13:21] remember the 23 year old massage guy that got a 20 billion deal to deliver ammo to iraq or something [13:21] war solves plenty... creates war-based jobs lol [13:21] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-879e047609e6864f) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Neo-Zionist: Yeah.. i'd want 20million dollars if I was deliving munitions to iraq as well. [13:22] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [13:22] I'm what you'd call a "right-wing conservative", and even *I* don't like Rush [13:22] lol [13:22] rk4n3, dont label yourself according to the false left right paradigm [13:22] slackware is the conservatives' distro :) [13:22] right-wing nut-job limbaugh? or however you spell it? [13:22] its called divide and conquer....there are no differences in the parties anymore [13:22] they just keep us infighting...and givse the illusion of change/progress [13:22] Neo-Zionist: I know what you mean - just using terms that most can relate to [13:23] keeps us from rebelling [13:23] In a war your money goes out of the country so thats bad for the economy [13:23] Neo-Zionist: well, there definitely is a dichotomy dividing collectivism and individualism [13:24] 1 in 13 americans are now government employees :( [13:24] Neo-Zionist: "left" is basically collectivism, and "right" is basically individualism [13:25] Soul_keeper: its even more scary at the state level - in MN the gov. is the largest employer in the state by far [13:25] rk4n3, sure but the terms are tainted and corrupted by the media [13:25] Neo-Zionist: agreed [13:25] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) joined ##slackware. [13:25] it's called the money party... [13:26] government is the largest employer in the country, has been since "the new deal" junk [13:26] and i wasn't invited :( [13:26] according to the washington post there are more government employees now than construction and manufacturing workers combined [13:26] 1. abolish the federal reserve 2. ??? 3. profit! [13:26] hola :) [13:27] helo [13:29] got a slackware question? [13:29] Valkenar (n=Valkenar@207-180-131-183.c3-0.abr-ubr2.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:29] rk4n3, "This greatest of plagues and most dangerous of threats to the lives of humans is taking place in an accelerating fashion as the world is being dominated by the democratic system, which confirms its massive failure to protect humans and their interests from the greed and avarice of the major corporations and their representatives." ^ Osama Bin Laden [13:30] Neo-Zionist: arny does the bluewhite64 distro.. doubt he has a Slackware question ;) [13:31] I'm trying to configure networking, but my network device doesn't appear to be working. I've tried netconfig, I"ve modprobed a couple drivers I thought it might be, but I d on't really have any idea how tog get eth0 up from here. [13:31] hmmmm no slackware guilds on linux-laptops.net [13:31] *guides [13:31] Valkenar, does ifconfig list eth0 ? same as lspci ? [13:32] ifconfig -a and lspci -k [13:32] Ifconfig only shows loopback., lspci indicates that my wireless is loaded (ralink wt2561) ans well as my wired (sis900) [13:33] not loaded, just detected [13:33] Oh, okay. [13:33] google sis900 ethernet kernel module or something [13:33] lspci -k is an invalid option [13:33] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Dominian, oh yes, there is one big question :) [13:34] Hm, I do appear to have an eth1 (via ifconfig) No idea whether that's the wireless or wired. [13:34] Valkenar then you use an older slackware release [13:34] if i want to use a book to help me learn slackware, what should i look for? is the slackbook the recommended route? or is there anything i can pick up at the book store? [13:34] Valkenar, dmesg|grep eth1 [13:34] How can I determine the slackware versoin? My kernel is 2.6. [13:35] cat /etc/slackware-version [13:35] dmesg|grep eth1 is blank [13:35] cat /etc/slackware-version [13:35] i type to slow :p [13:35] 12.0.09 [13:35] Err, 12.0.0 [13:35] upgrayyyd [13:35] 12.0 ok then the -k isn't working [13:36] can you patsebin lsmod? [13:36] I can't really paste, but I can manually type in the contents... [13:36] zGhost (i=dave@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: [13:37] lsmod inclued a line sis900 23552 0 [13:37] ifconfig eth0 up [13:37] Dominian, do you do research ? [13:37] does it show eth0 in ifconfig then? [13:37] arny: what's that question? [13:37] Neo-Zionist: for what? [13:38] wisdom ? [13:38] ain't that called life? [13:38] you can do it wrong [13:38] Well I have no eth0, but if I ifconfig eth1 up it shows no message nor changes the way eth1 appears if I type ifconfig again [13:38] http://gsulinux.org/~distch/?open=documents&project=slackware linux on macbook <---- wow [13:38] Valkenar, no module is loaded dude [13:39] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-879e047609e6864f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] ifconfig -a only shows lo and eth1? [13:39] That is correct, nille [13:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] How would I load the module? modprobe sis900 has no apparent effect. [13:39] Valkenar: dhcpcd eth1 ? [13:39] how come dmesg|grep eth1 doesnt say anything [13:39] or are you adding another card? [13:40] Okay, dmesg|grep eth1 does say "medial link on 100mbps full-duplex" and "no ipv6 routers presetn" does it not try ipv4 by default or soemthing? [13:40] just telling you no ipv6 routers present as ipv6 is enabled by default in slackware [13:40] Valkenar, ok so just do /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [13:40] dhcpcd eth1 [13:40] and you are online ? [13:41] Oh, hey that worked better. [13:41] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Connection timed out [13:41] problem solved [13:41] dhcpcd eth1 appears to have fixed it. Okay, so now I need to figure out how to get it to load correctly on boot IG uess. [13:41] Valkenar: netconfig [13:41] select DHCP as the option for eth1.. done. [13:41] err, ok run netconfig ? [13:42] Okay, rebooting. [13:42] (after having run netconfig) [13:42] or edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [13:42] ;0 [13:43] What would have caused it not to load that automatically? I also tried netconfig to start and it didn't work. Is it a likely correct assumptoin that modprobe sis900 is what I needed? [13:43] if you did that command and dmesg added eth1 lines..yes [13:43] so you may need to add a line in rc.modules to modprobe it [13:43] What I mean is the first thing I tried is netconfig. Well I'm not sure dmesg added those lines, I believe the first time I grepped dmesg I was lookin for eth0 [13:43] or somewhere...you can even just edit the rc.inet1 if you are lazy [13:44] reboot and find out [13:44] Yeah, I rebotted and it isn't set up. Interestingly, now there is an eth0 line "sis 900 pci fst eterhnet at ..." [13:44] *rebooted [13:45] I'll mess with it a bit. [13:45] wacky [13:45] So it appears all I havew to do is dhcpcd eth1. [13:45] you shouldnt have to [13:46] Wasn't netconfig the thign that makes that automatic? [13:46] should [13:46] Hrm. [13:46] check your net.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ [13:46] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] if it changes eth for you [13:47] errordeveloper (n=pub@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:47] hi [13:47] I have two lines in network-devices They both say KERNEL=="eth?", [address stuff] [13:47] THe first is eth0 the second is eth1 in the Name= saection [13:47] i just done a fresh install of 12.2 on another box [13:48] Would running nethelper yield any benefits? [13:48] i need user to get any volumes mounted automaticaly [13:48] Valkenar how many cards do you have? [13:48] errordeveloper, nano -w /etc/fstab [13:48] I have onboard wired sis900 and pci wireless ralink [13:49] hald is running, and thunar-volman is installed [13:49] errordeveloper what groups are the users in? [13:49] Valkenar, wireless should be wlan0 [13:49] Okay. I wasn't neccesarily trying to configure the wirelss, but if that's easier to deal with that's fine. [13:49] its not [13:50] Valkenar (n=Valkenar@207-180-131-183.c3-0.abr-ubr2.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] Valkenar (n=Valkenar@207-180-131-183.c3-0.abr-ubr2.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [13:50] if i want to use a book to help me learn slackware, what should i look for? is the slackbook the recommended route? or is there anything i can pick up at the book store? [13:50] Should wlan appear in my ifconfig -a output? [13:50] reminds me to shut off my wireless router...dont need irradiation right now [13:50] Valkenar what did the kernel== show? [13:51] zaltekk, there isnt much to learning slackware [13:51] nille_: i got him in plugdev hald and messegebus [13:51] Neo-Zionist: if i am unfamiliar with linux, there is at least something to learn :) [13:51] It said KERNEL=="ETH?" for both lines [13:51] and 'power' too [13:51] zaltekk, learn how to use an xterm to do stuff [13:51] And then apparently distinguishes two addresses as eth0 and eth1 [13:51] maybe what i want isn't a slackware specific book, but a not-some-other-distro-specific book [13:52] errordeveloper what things do you want to automount? [13:52] rather than just clicking things...nano -w /etc/(your config files), then there is installpkg and pkgtool and netconfig...and thats really the jist of 'slackware' slackware is like vanilla-bsdish-gnu-linux [13:52] external devices? [13:53] well .. right now i'm trying with an ipod which has a fat32 partition [13:53] zaltekk, download something in .tar.gz and read the readme and compile something [13:53] Neo-Zionist: and if i am unfamiliar with the /etc/ configuration files? are then in the info/man pages? [13:53] *they [13:53] zaltekk, usually [13:53] man httpd.conf [13:53] you can go into /etc/rc.d/ and look at your startup scripts, and disable some of them (if you know what you are doing) with chmod -x, or edit them, or wahtever you want [13:54] errordeveloper pastebin the output of 'tail -f /var/log/messages' when you plug it in [13:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-220-66.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] i'm somewhat familiar with freebsd. aren't the slackware startup scripts closer to bsd-style than system-v? [13:54] or at least so i've heard. [13:55] yes they are [13:55] my main concern is quickly getting a mailserver and dns server up for my domain on the new install [13:55] zaltekk, /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart; echo "hello world" >> /srv/www/index.html; firefox http://localhost/ [13:56] i often read the rc. scripts they sometimes include instructions [13:56] zaltekk, i dont know much about those topics [13:56] but slackware makes them easier than other distros im sure [13:56] because it comes with working compilers and sich [13:56] tbh i don't either; on freebsd i just added my zone to the default bind config and told sendmail to accept mail for my domain. everything else was already setup [13:57] zaltekk, probably the same here [13:57] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]" [13:57] zaltekk, you will be impressed [13:57] okay. thanks for the advice [13:58] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.130) joined ##slackware. [13:58] that will be $3.50 [13:58] openSUSE seems extremely dirty compared to freebsd. so slackware seems like the clean system to try [13:58] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-197462.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:58] cleanest you will find (imo) [13:59] openSUSE wouldn't let me setup the files in /etc that i recognized because the GUI tool overwrites them [13:59] if you need any packages that you are too lazy to manualyl do...try linuxpackages.net for packages you can installpkg [13:59] or slapt-get [13:59] zaltekk: what's wrong with freebsd ? [13:59] or slackbuilds.org (obligatory) [13:59] Okay, well thanks for the help everyone. It's still not quite working right but whatever at least now I can access my files. [14:00] slackpkg and sbopkg is the ones you need [14:00] Karu: things such as adobe flash and hardware acceleration with my videocard aren't very usable [14:00] use any tool you want [14:00] flash has to run under linux emulation and constantly coredumps [14:01] there are a lot of small annoyances i've found with using freebsd as a desktop os [14:01] flash on linux is pretty crappy too.. [14:01] yeah flash can be showstopper for desktop use [14:01] sites with lots of embedded flash can crash firefox [14:01] on openSUSE it at least plays without crashing [14:01] try GNASH [14:01] sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-178-11-139.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] use GNASH for guaranteed crash [14:02] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [14:03] i never had flash crashing FF. But I rarely watch flash sites. and have noscript always on [14:03] http://wearechange.org/archives/2007_12_01_archive.html <- has just brought my firefox to a CRAWL for example [14:03] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] what are my options for dependency handling? slapt-get? [14:03] yourself [14:03] with the latest flash plugins i almost never have any crashes [14:04] Karu: isn't that massively time-consuming? [14:04] +1 [14:04] no [14:04] zaltekk, screw dependency hell, do it yourself if you want to learn and keep things running [14:04] zaltekk, there is no automatic dependency handling. there is 3rd party stuff, but this channel (usually) doesnt provide help for them and nobody likes them [14:04] nille_, try the link i pasted on firefox [14:04] 10462 neosapie 20 0 449m 269m 46m R 102 13.4 13:46.07 firefox-bin [14:04] 102% cpu [14:04] generally on freebsd i would have 5-20 dependencies if i installed something such as Amarok. wouldn't this be the case on slackware as well? [14:05] zaltekk, your first source for packages not in slackware should be slackbuilds.org. They provide a README with needed dependencys and those are usually in SBO, too [14:05] finding 10+ packages to install before installing what i want seems like it would be misusing my time [14:05] zaltekk, in the long run it saves time [14:05] go use ubuntu if you want hand holding [14:05] zaltekk, thats very seldom the case.a full slackware comes with a lot of libs [14:06] Neo-Zionist that link worked for me [14:06] slackytude: so i'll most likely only need to find a few extra dependencies to install a package? [14:06] nille_, basically crasehd my firefox.... let me see my flash version [14:06] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] but since i got myself an dualcore laptop flash runs better :p [14:06] i guess i'm just worried that it will take 30 minutes to install a single pacakge [14:06] Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15 [14:06] whats yours [14:06] about:plugins [14:06] nille_: thereis nothing special in dmesg [14:07] zaltekk, in mos cases, yes. it didnt happen for me for a long time as I usually visit SBO for all my needs. [14:07] I am having trouble getting javax.usb to install on my slackware 12.2 system. is there an installed for this anywhere (slack pkg) or has anyone done this before? [14:07] Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15 [14:07] it just says usual stuff for a usb mass storage device [14:07] SBO is slackbuilds? [14:07] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20 [14:07] firefox 3 sucks [14:07] zaltekk: yes [14:08] zaltekk, yes, there is also a ncurses frontend, which supports build queues, called sbopkg, avaible at sbopkg.org [14:08] SBo = slackbuilds.org [14:08] neverwas, never heard of it [14:08] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Neo-Zionist: it's supposed to provide support for easy (Java) access to USB and USB-HID devices [14:09] Neo-Zionist i use FF3 it has many improvments for flash aspecially wmode [14:09] zaltekk, also, avoid linuxpackages like the plague [14:09] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [14:10] slackytude, biased much? [14:10] linuxpackages = trouble [14:10] how can a package be trouble [14:10] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [14:10] trouble how? [14:10] Badly built [14:10] if I include trouble in the package couldn't the package then be considered trouble? [14:10] they have messy packages or even downright evil packages [14:10] zaltekk: besides slackbuilds there are alienBOB's and rworkman's sites that are considered trustworthy by slackers [14:11] 1 not built on an clean box [14:11] slackytude, conspiracy theory [14:11] Bad packages screw up your filesystem's permissions for instance, or contain undocumented dependencies [14:11] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-201969.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [14:11] nessundorma (n=mike@host102-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:11] uses none standard deps some times [14:11] wrong permissions [14:12] gotcha [14:12] should i stop or keep spaming [14:12] slacky.eu has also a half decent repository. there are some brazilian dudes, too, but the name eludes me for the moment [14:12] josemanuel (n=josemanu@64.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:12] gzamora (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.226.46.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [14:12] tea4me (n=tea4me@DSPC3.WPI.EDU) joined ##slackware. [14:13] i think i have one last question [14:13] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-71-178-216-228.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] do i need the second and third cd for the standard installation with kde or xfce? [14:14] ive never had a problem with linuxpackages...and ive used them for various things for 5+ years [14:14] or do they just contain extra packages? [14:14] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) left ##slackware. [14:14] zaltekk, cd3 is kde and kdei [14:14] zaltekk, 3 cd for kde. xfce is on second cd [14:14] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] okay. i guess i'll just get the dvd then. [14:14] the first rule in slackware packages, are there any .SlackBuilds? if not don't use it, if yes then does it look right? [14:15] the first rule of slackware community, trust no one who works for free [14:15] HAHA...jeez conspiracy theorists in here [14:15] lol [14:16] *they* just want us to look like conspiracy theorists [14:16] without proof thats what you are [14:16] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:17] i'd agree if you warned about something like drop-line fuckign up yuor system [14:17] hm...just thought of something else [14:17] for hardware acceleration, would i be able to install ati's binary drivers without much trouble? [14:17] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [14:18] zaltekk, sure, everything is easy on slackware, just erad the documentation from the developer (readme/install file) [14:18] I know rworkman has an pdf from the brazilian trip about packages. http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/slackware.pdf [14:18] zaltekk, should work, but ati is evil [14:18] or used tobe [14:18] ati is much better now i hear [14:18] my radeon9500 is still working....so i haven't felt the need to replace it [14:18] Ive heard that too [14:19] Neo-Zionist does drop-line still do that [14:19] i only use ati [14:19] it works good now [14:19] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.228.247.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] nille_, not sure, if it installs pam...yeas [14:19] pam + slackware = :( [14:19] ouch [14:19] Neo-Zionist, not really true [14:19] not if you do it manually [14:20] Neo-Zionist, nullboy has pam packages for slack. around 12 packages you need to add/replace afaik [14:20] i remember uninstalling dropline when i tried it some years ago [14:20] well i dont know either way, but dropline did some crazy shit back in 10.0 and such [14:20] that wasn't fun [14:20] you can just get garnome and compile from scratch afaik.... [14:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] anyway, gotta catch the bus [14:20] Action: slackytude waved [14:20] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] no i use kde instead [14:21] ive used xfce since slackware 9 or so [14:21] never liked kde...just some of its apps are nice [14:21] kate and ark for example come in handy [14:22] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] i used blackbox first but my old gf couldn't use it so i switched to kde [14:22] yea i used fluxbox...but then my balls dropped [14:22] ;] [14:23] yeah ..gf's are like that .. [14:23] yeah they are like that for sure [14:23] ;o [14:24] so ..how to anable all usb amass storage automounting? [14:24] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Success [14:24] what about auto unmount? that would be more important [14:24] Action: edman007 steals a pony from nix_chix0r [14:24] if you like your data [14:24] fluxbox is the winner [14:25] Action: edman007 uses flux [14:25] edman007, feedme [14:25] Neo-Zionist: how would you expect that too work. hal --use-force --sense-future-remove? [14:25] however ratpoison becomes m0ore popular ..for some people [14:25] well plugdev and user should do it [14:25] but you had thoose [14:25] nix_chix0r, stop eating the pony! [14:25] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] ..hm [14:25] i got thunar-volman too! [14:26] hwiesinger, well...since you plug it in and the icon pops up and you double click it to get to the files...why cant you right click and unmount before you unplug it? are the users handicapped? [14:26] the thing is that here is no icons poping! [14:26] nothing heppends [14:27] on what DE? [14:27] xfce [14:27] uh...get rid of the volman then [14:27] cuz it works out of the box [14:27] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:27] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Neo-Zionist tried kde4? [14:27] it didn't for some reason .. [14:27] it has good unmounting [14:27] f_k kde4 [14:27] errordeveloper, try different usb ports? [14:28] the device is in dmesg [14:28] nille_, i dont have a need for kde [14:28] it's all good [14:28] just that something is missing .. [14:28] i don;t know [14:28] add your user [14:28] it's a fresh install [14:28] to plugdev [14:28] NAB!!!! [14:28] sure i did [14:28] damn [14:29] is it an fresh install or fresh upgrade? [14:29] plugdev,audio,video,cdrom,floppy [14:29] try all those and relogin [14:29] "brand new" [14:29] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] do you see the device in 'fdisk -l' and you can mount it manually? [14:30] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] oh ..sure! [14:30] Neo-Zionist: that is per definition not *auto*-unmount. [14:30] hwiesinger, right, cuz auto unmount wont work [14:31] if the device showed up for him he wouldnt need automount either [14:31] just a user with a finger [14:31] errordeveloper strange '/etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart' [14:32] did it [14:32] when i plug in a drive it pops up in thunar [14:32] all smooth, but nothing about automount [14:32] ;( [14:32] not mounted, but shows up [14:33] errordeveloper, are you in all the groups i listed [14:33] it could be the floppy group that does it....or im brainfarting....dunno [14:33] something is wrong hehe [14:33] users floppy audio video cdrom games ftp messagebus haldaemon plugdev power [14:34] what a missery isthis hald! [14:35] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] :( [14:35] on another machine i was re,pte;y logged in and a local user could see the directories of a devie, but i couldn't see it anywhere! [14:35] oops [14:35] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [14:36] errordeveloper, /media/ [14:36] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:36] remotely [14:36] Neo-Zionist: ..what /media/ ? [14:36] it's there [14:36] thats where stuff is mounted by hal [14:36] or whatever moutns crap these days [14:37] i read Pat's READMEs 5times or so [14:37] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.227.139) joined ##slackware. [14:37] /media/disk is the default if you have no volume id [14:37] anyway .. [14:37] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:37] WTF [14:37] ;? [14:37] errordeveloper, works out of the box here.... [14:38] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: Client Quit [14:38] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] File: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf [14:41] [14:41] is your messagebus running? [14:41] [14:41] im thinking your thunar-volman screwed it up [14:42] errordeveloper: is your user in the plugdev group [14:42] Alright guys, I've got a COMPLETELY off-topic question, but #windows couldn't help me in the least. Maybe some one here can. [14:42] Alan_Hicks: argh... [14:43] it's all there [14:43] with pleasure [14:43] Anyone know if it's possible to automate (script) the importation of Word Documents in Windows Journal on XP Tablet Edition? [14:43] errordeveloper, reboot [14:43] let me see /etc/dbus-1/ [14:43] Alan_Hicks, vbscript [14:43] Alan_Hicks: vbscript should be able to [14:43] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [14:43] How so? [14:44] if you can point me to some FMTR I'd appreciate it. [14:44] have you tried starting windows journal with a command line argument? [14:44] it might just work [14:44] Not yet. I don't currently have possession of the tablets. [14:44] journal.exe blah.doc [14:45] I do know though, that to import a document using oh "file -> import -> open" it actually opens Word, then prints the document in question, I guess using a special printer. [14:45] or do you want to import and resave automatically [14:45] import and re-save automaticaly. [14:46] just set your default pr inter and right click all the word files at once and do print [14:46] My client wants to be able to yank 30+ documents from their server onto the tablet, have them imported to Journal files, work on them in court, then re-save and upload them as word files or PDF or something. [14:46] ;0 [14:47] how does Journal save the files? [14:47] i've never used it [14:47] as a proprietary image/vector image format [14:47] no doubt...with some xml thrown in for trendiness [14:47] can it change them back into text? [14:48] yeah, text boxes too [14:48] worst-case you could write a program to automate the task of telling the program to do the conversions [14:49] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms704915(VS.85).aspx [14:49] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176079177.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] i'm sure this would be a slowdown for 30k files [14:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:50] slacker123 (n=elecman@bas2-toronto47-1242436910.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:53] the only thing i got NOT LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE [14:53] i had a sinus infection (mold/yeast) for 4 months....then i got sick of it and killed it in 3 days with oil of oregano and cayenne pepper capsules [14:53] i feel great [14:53] is some extra noexec and nodev,nosuid in /etc/fstab [14:54] errordeveloper, did you add lines for your devices to fstab? cuz you dont want to for usb [14:54] i'll try to remove these and see if that was causing something funky [14:54] not until it works normally at least [14:54] Slackaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:54] Neo-Zionist: no [14:55] errordeveloper, add noexec to some of them too [14:56] whats nodev... [14:57] no device files can be created there [14:57] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [14:59] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) left irc: "BBL" [14:59] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Neo-Zionist: i have another question if you are still around [15:00] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:00] ? [15:00] on freebsd, (just about) all of the software i installed other than the base system went into /usr/local [15:00] however, i see a /opt directory on linux that seems to have the same purpose [15:00] /opt is for binary installs [15:00] which makes me unsure of how to partition the drive [15:01] whereas /usr/local is for source-based installs? [15:01] sometimes, you need to tell it a prefix 99% of the time [15:01] or it goes into /usr/ [15:01] ./configure --prefix=/usr/local [15:02] ugh [15:02] zaltekk, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Specifications [15:02] well, i just want to make sure i divide up my drive so that i don't have tons of wasted space or runout [15:02] look at these scripts for examples....i've never made a slackbuild script that uses /usr/local....http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/ [15:02] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-220-66.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:02] pete9 (n=slackerp@host81-155-57-54.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-134-227.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:03] Canard (n=none@seg75-9-88-188-174-212.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:04] nullboy: so just into /usr? [15:05] pete9 (n=slackerp@host81-155-57-54.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:05] zaltekk, its your system you can do whatever you want [15:05] slackbuilds go into /usr [15:05] slack_fan (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] what about the packages that are part of slackware? [15:05] /opt and everythign else (except boot i guess) can go on one partition [15:06] /usr and /home should be your biggest partitions [15:06] reverse the order of my last comments [15:06] okay. i just didn't know how much data would be in /opt [15:06] not much [15:06] /var/ can get large due to log files and cache files [15:07] i suppose [15:07] in my /opt i only have virtualbox [15:07] and some game [15:07] I have nothing in /opt [15:07] would kde end up in /opt? [15:07] it used to [15:07] highly doubtful [15:08] but not now [15:08] kde is under /usr now [15:09] I have nothing in opt as well, most things aren't using it anymore like openoffice used too [15:09] does it use /usr/local now? [15:10] no [15:10] some packages might, it depends [15:10] i have nothing in /usr/local/bin [15:10] depends on the package creator [15:10] i have 118 things [15:10] i have openoffice in /opt and i think the kde3 compat is there as well [15:10] I have many things, anything I build directly from source I want in /usr/local [15:11] dTd, wish i had done that [15:11] separate from the base install [15:11] since i compile everything from source [15:11] maybe i'll just use a separate /boot and /home for now, and in the future i'll know better how to partition everything [15:11] anything which comes from a package, I let it go to /usr [15:12] if you keep a separate /usr/local , and sometimes you can avoid recompiling all that on an upgrade or reinstall [15:12] i have things in /usr/local that i have the source for in /usr/local/src/ and built myself [15:12] my systems kinda messy, but everything works fine...just some cruft...not a big deal [15:12] nille_, so you can make uninstall ;0 [15:13] actually, nothing at all broke in /usr/local for me from 11 to 12 to 12.1 to 12.2 [15:13] yes and compile it agian for upgrades or diffrent functions [15:13] every 3 years or so i do a fresh slack install and copy my config files and such over [15:14] not because i have to [15:14] you should always have the source in /usr/local/src/ for the things you have in /usr/local [15:14] my source is always in /tmp hehe [15:14] i keep a whole disk mounted at ~/BUILDS will the source of every slackbuild i have installed [15:14] slackware just works so well you can be lazy as shit [15:14] no /tmp is the things you can wipe without thinking about it [15:15] I delete the source most usually, if I want to do something like "make uninstall" I'll just rebuild it again [15:15] nullboy: thats what I do as well. [15:15] yeah like all your kde setting..... [15:15] whoever thought to put it there.... [15:15] how do you remove a loaded plugin in irssi ? [15:15] nille_, you can crash X if you delete everything in /tmp [15:16] never delete everything in there.... [15:16] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] maybe at boot [15:16] some things get created by root, so if root never logs in it isn't there, so be carefull [15:17] or a ~/packages in /root for all packages that you build by hand [15:17] hand / slackbuild [15:17] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] i like slackware most because it comes with xmms [15:17] still [15:17] that's a bad reason... [15:17] lol [15:17] it was taken out for a while [15:17] it was removed just a few releases back ;) [15:17] Soul_keeper: /script unload name_of_script [15:17] i use ~/packages for packages that i built [15:17] i like slack because it comes with NINJA's! :D [15:17] i /root [15:18] dTd, but it came back right? or did iget this package somewhere [15:18] I like slack because of Bob.... [15:18] yes it was reinstated [15:18] fuck yea lol [15:18] chopp thanks [15:18] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "changing servers" [15:18] reallove (n=dan@dan.btn.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Action: zaltekk slackware cd is _almost_ done downloading. [15:18] Soul_keeper: your welcome [15:19] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-187.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:19] i like slackware because it's 99% fat free [15:19] i hate not having a decent ISP while i'm away at school [15:19] lol [15:19] nullboy, its vanillar! [15:19] why doesnt slackware get any respect [15:19] hey. i have my browser traffic on my laptop tunneled through an ssh server on my desktop but i would like the tunneling to be done on a system leve, not on an application biased level. [15:20] and so very few clueless users on slackware [15:20] SM177Y: openvpn [15:20] i dont want a vpn lol [15:20] ..... [15:20] then wtf do you want? [15:20] lol [15:20] slackware: free of the totally useless [15:20] he wants a personal ninja [15:20] users [15:20] lol [15:21] SM177Y, use socks proxy [15:21] man ssh [15:21] that's what he is already doing... [15:21] man up bish! [15:21] come on [15:21] oh [15:21] i usually tunnel to my proxy servers :/ [15:22] rather than running socks [15:22] is there maybe a way to use iptables or something to router all traffic through a specified ssh [15:22] SM177Y: you can also use ssh in VPN mode to create pingable interfaces on each end, then you setup routing [15:22] how do you do that [15:22] well in my browser its setup as a socks4 proxy [15:22] Neo-Zionist: read the fscking man page....like you just said [15:22] nullboy, i didnt know it could do that [15:22] it can [15:23] i thought i kenw it all [15:23] you don't [15:23] since when wtf [15:23] "Those that _think_ they know it all annoy us who do" [15:23] :) [15:23] lol [15:23] lol [15:23] oh the tun interface [15:24] meh [15:25] if i didnt kill my ego years ago...it would feel bruised [15:25] hehehe [15:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:26] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] SM177Y: what you asked for is vpn that operates on a different layer than ssh does. the best method for that is openvpn [15:27] hey Agiofws [15:29] but i dont need a virtual network lol. i basically just want to use my desktop as an ssh gateway [15:29] why lol [15:29] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [15:29] i'm loosing interest quickly [15:29] i dont get it either [15:30] ok let me sum it up for you quick [15:30] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] probably to use a laptop at a location that blocks the internet protocols he wants to use [15:30] um [15:30] you tunnel through dns for that [15:30] you can tunnel any protocol with ssh as it is [15:30] i can't think of any other use [15:31] my desktop is on the lan at school. which is fine. but when i use my laptop around campus, the routers are all unsecure and i dont like the idea of ppl being able to see what im doing. so instead i just want all my traffic tunneled through my desktop in my dorm room [15:31] lol so then from the desktop the data is on an unsecured lan..gg [15:31] set all your applications to use socks4 proxy then [15:31] that's worthy of LOL [15:31] cant be too hard lol. i already did it for my web browser. now i just want it for everyuthing else, irc, messengers, etc, without having to configure each application individually [15:32] lans are switched so its more secure than wifi [15:32] SM177Y: irc and aim can use the same ssh proxy [15:32] SM177Y, its easy [15:32] nullboy: yes but its switched so not as bad [15:32] SM177Y: it already can handle them all [15:32] everything does socks pretty much [15:32] SM177Y: are you using -D for the ssh tunnel? [15:32] nullboy: yes [15:32] then it will work fine with IM and IRC clients that support socks [15:33] nearly all support that too [15:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] even pidgin does [15:33] even xmms [15:33] lol [15:33] i know that i can configure each app to use the proxy but i just thought there might be an easier and/or better way to just have all traffic tunneled to the ssh [15:33] nullboy: i think what he wants to do is have all traffic that leaves the wireless interface to automatically be tunneled [15:34] zaltekk: then he needs a different type of vpn [15:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] that seems to be the solution [15:34] zaltekk: exactly :D [15:34] SM177Y: if that's the case you need openvpn [15:34] so...it was the first thing someone suggestd [15:34] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:34] i've noticed "shading/unshading" the XFCE Terminal is slow, is this normal ? [15:34] ..... [15:34] Neo-Zionist: lol. yep. [15:34] takes about 6 seconds on a quad core system to unshade [15:35] zaltekk, usually the case in here [15:35] ok....:( thought there might be an easier way than setting up a vpn but w.e. i guess [15:35] Soul_keeper: I think that is abnormal. [15:35] its normal [15:35] SM177Y: you're missing the whole point...using the socks setups IS the easy way.... [15:35] Soul_keeper, its normal, use xterm ;0 [15:36] the proper way is openvpn, the easy way is socks [15:36] i'd lower my scrollback buffer from 5,700 lines, but i've already lowered it from over 100,000 lines reluctantly .... [15:37] it takes me like 10min to join this irc channel in xchat because my buffer is so large, i like it that way :) [15:37] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062131220.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:37] if i run an application in wine that sets the resolution to oh, let's say 640x480. the application then crashes, and I'm back at my desktop in 640x480 (which was originally 1440x900).. is there a command I can use to set the resolution back without having to restart x? [15:37] Karu (n=alch@77-233-65-198.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:38] Neo-Zionist, xterm doesn't support tabs yet ? [15:38] v3gard, try ctrl+alt++ or +- [15:38] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] xterm isnt updated [15:38] its just the fastest terminal...from what i know [15:39] yey, just ordered my new computer [15:39] Neo-Zionist: that didn't do anything.. any other tips?:) [15:39] v3gard, you can use xranr [15:39] xrandr? [15:39] Neo-Zionist: xrandr? [15:39] xrandr....but i dont know the syntax, you could load up the nvidia-settings-manager or wahtever [15:40] a = agder= [15:40] ? [15:40] hia [15:40] can you scroll around to get to a terminal and such? [15:40] you could load the app again and exit normally [15:40] or load quake3 and exit normally [15:41] few things to tryi guess [15:41] how do i removepkg from a tagfile? i "accidentaly" installed the kde-i base, and i have no use for it. i'd like to remove all the packages contained in it, and i have acquired the tagfile for kde-i from the installation DVD i used to install slackware. [15:41] snorks, removepkg /var/log/packages/blah-* [15:42] for the tag file, i dont know anything about it [15:43] snorks: put the disk in that has the kdei packages set. cd into the kdei directory then removepkg *.tgz [15:43] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:43] so is this a gamble that every kde-i* file in /var/log/packages is an internationalisation package, or can you guarantee that they indeed are? [15:44] snorks: what he typed won't help you [15:44] nullboy: cheers. have we met? [15:44] i was a bear who ate you in a past life [15:44] Nick change: Asmadeus_ -> Asmadeus [15:44] were you a bear who helped "snirks" with wireless 2 years ago? [15:44] yeah [15:44] ah ok [15:44] snorks nullboy, nullboy snorks. [15:44] yeah i tried the abomination that is archlinux in the meantime [15:45] Neo-Zionist, yeah i guess i've just gotten used to the bloated terminals and having 4 or more tabs open at all times [15:45] Action: acidchild gets chainsaw [15:45] snorks: run! [15:45] acidchild: lol [15:45] Action: nix_chix0r trips acidchild [15:45] Soul_keeper, ya, well you have multiple desktops and if you can scroll mousewheel on desktop...you can just open a bunch of xterms [15:45] snorks: arch aint too bad. :-P [15:45] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.64.74.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] Action: acidchild lands on nix_chix0r [15:46] i guess [15:46] use screen [15:46] but i don tknow how to scroll back in it...never looked it up [15:46] yay early labor lol [15:46] ew [15:46] no birthing no babies in here [15:46] k [15:47] ^a dude [15:47] nope [15:47] snorks: what ya think to the companys logo on the arch webpage? ;) [15:47] pretty ehh?! [15:47] =x [15:47] not falling for that one again [15:48] acidchild: the blue triangle thing? [15:48] Canard (n=none@seg75-9-88-188-174-212.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:48] snorks: haha [15:48] acidchild: what did SevenL contribute? [15:48] you confuse me [15:48] Dominian: A BIG ASS BOMB [15:48] Neo-Zionist, i invented internets [15:48] heh [15:48] Dominian: a server. [15:48] acidchild: ahhhhhh [15:48] so arch is hosted at SevenL now? [15:49] Action: acidchild nods [15:49] last night i used metasploit to infect wine with a windows backdoor. [15:49] hehe nice [15:49] how r33t is that [15:49] nix_chix0r, you've ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD! [15:49] nullboy: neat! =) [15:49] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:49] calc.exe? ;> [15:49] nasty.exe [15:49] lol [15:49] i pwned mad hosts last night [15:49] =P [15:49] Action: acidchild leaves it at that [15:49] all it did was open a port with a shell waiting for me [15:49] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Action: acidchild likes reverse shells. [15:50] msf is pretty cool [15:50] i guess? =P [15:50] the framework! [15:50] not microsoft [15:50] ;) [15:50] you guys hack? [15:50] i hacked the gibson [15:50] nullboy: no you mean MS [15:50] this isn't 'hacking' [15:50] sure why not [15:50] we know you are =P [15:50] lol [15:51] well, you kiddies can try to exploit my ip. permission granted! [15:51] this is using a framework to create your own tests for antivirus software...duh [15:52] nessundorma (n=mike@host102-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:52] have you learnt about packing and splicing yet? [15:52] Action: acidchild really sucks at windows exploitation [15:52] i'm just now getting to packing [15:53] it's been a slow process [15:53] hehe. [15:53] useful though. [15:53] testing some of this crap means i have to turn on my windows test bed [15:53] what about polymorphic shellcode, have you got to that [15:53] 24.126.181.37 [15:53] snorks: good lord snorks i'm not some programmer [15:53] i'm some douche using a framework [15:54] which framework? [15:54] Neo-Zionist: why are you posting a comcast cable IP? [15:54] its mine [15:54] snorks: metasploit [15:54] nullboy: ok [15:54] 67.43.164.86 [15:54] thats mine [15:54] :O! OMFG?! [15:54] he wants to be packeted [15:54] lmao [15:54] nullboy: have you tried the one from immunity inc yet? canvas i think it's called. i haven't. it costs money and i don't want to pirate it, but perhasp you have tried it [15:54] x300000008808 [15:55] scooter - 0xc7 your ass [15:55] unless you ddos / botnet...cant hack [15:55] print { $sock[$ddosnum] } "$login\nenable\n$enable\nping\n\n$target\n99999999\n$bytes\n0\n\n\n"; [15:55] fudge packeted [15:55] like that? lol [15:55] ghetto DoS [15:55] yes ddos [15:55] kill the internets [15:55] snorks: metasploit is free and running the svn trunk gets you nearly daily updates ;) [15:55] snorks: its Professional Skiddie software [15:55] nix_chix0r, i know how to change my mac address [15:55] snorks: join the army of skids [15:55] takes 2 minutes to end all packetting [15:56] no wai Neo-Zionist [15:56] Neo-Zionist: whats your Mac address gotta do with it? [15:56] acidchild: :P [15:56] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-164.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] isp gives new ip for new mac [15:56] /jffs/randmac on the dd-wrt and reboot the modem [15:56] lmao [15:56] nooper: so? [15:56] so please, hack me [15:56] i run apache and a bunch of shit [15:56] acidchild: i believe the spirit is gone. it seems so much about money nowadays. anyways, i am not old enough to remember how it used to be, it's just what i've picked up around in on the WWW [15:56] 22 te-9-4-ur01.n1alpharetta.ga.atlanta.comcast.net (68.86.106.221) 36.961 ms 36.769 ms 36.832 ms [15:57] acidchild: and here i am getting an education in security to earn money [15:57] that is the IP people would 'DoS' [15:57] acidchild: im no better :P [15:57] Neo-Zionist, was an environmental variable for transparent text and such slowing Terminal down, disabled that now it's instant :) [15:57] oh [15:57] a New ip wont save you. [15:57] = [15:57] Soul_keeper, which setting? [15:57] you attack the local router.. [15:57] and on small NOC's you attack there upstream links. [15:57] if you have enough juice [15:57] sure [15:58] pft @ juice [15:58] Neo-Zionist, XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 [15:58] still not hacking [15:58] get root [15:58] Soul_keeper, wow [15:58] Neo-Zionist: your really unoriginal. [15:59] now it's instant instead of 6 seconds to do anything, open/resize/unshade/etc. [15:59] you can save bandwidth by typing !original (save a byte) [15:59] i mean network througput [15:59] Action: acidchild writes a sorry letter to the byte bank [15:59] 'i'm sorry for eating up all my student byte loans on p0rn and IRC' [15:59] 'can i please have an advance?' [16:00] acidchild, whats wrong with juice? [16:00] link bandwidth is original? [16:00] byteloan += 1; [16:00] snorks: :-( [16:00] haha [16:00] byteloan++; ? [16:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] snorks: you doing SANS? or cisco related certs? [16:01] acidchild: nah, doing a master in computer system security [16:01] nicccee [16:01] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] IT sec makes the world go around =D [16:01] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:03] or fall apart [16:04] Dominian: http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/base.jpg [16:04] these days, fall apart [16:04] pulkas (n=pulkas@78.162.163.214) joined ##slackware. [16:04] hi [16:04] acidchild: You've been busy [16:04] Dominian: see the port scan bar.. :P [16:04] yes, because more research is done on it security, and research requires resources in forms of computers, papers and whatnot, and this again coems from the earth and draws energy, and if its something we need to do in the world today its save energy and its resources [16:04] yeah I see it [16:04] Dominian: thats the janitors box [16:05] p0rn overload! [16:05] I'm counting a problem about droplinegnome sound feature [16:05] oh wow [16:05] snorks, what are you talking about [16:05] acidchild: so he's in trouble i take it? [16:05] I can't get any sound from my computer [16:05] haha Dominian i'm not sure how to go about enforcing what i find [16:05] turn your speakers on [16:05] acidchild: easy.. [16:05] why does a janitor need a pc? [16:05] acidchild: You tell your boss what is going on.. [16:05] people know i can tell what type of porn people go on is not really very confidance building. [16:05] when i use droplinegnome [16:05] does it make him sweep faster? [16:05] acidchild: Tell him "the janitor is surfing porn at work.. we need to do something" [16:05] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:05] Dominian: its not p0rn itself [16:05] as i'm in kde sound works [16:05] snorks, we dont need to save energy....we are supposed to continually progress to new forms of energy...like all intelligence beings in this universe [16:05] acidchild: Or.. better yet... [16:05] its a virus. [16:06] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:06] ahh [16:06] but in droplinegnome i cant use it [16:06] acidchild: Well, setup a squid proxy server.. force his traffic through it until you can get it under control [16:06] snorks, we need to grow more food, to harvest more sunlight for human energy [16:06] well i'm trying to patch iptables with psd [16:06] but POM is lame [16:06] pulkas: #dropline [16:06] ok thanks [16:06] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [16:06] acidchild: psd? [16:06] Dominian: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.12 [16:07] oh [16:07] Neo-Zionist: you sound like a star trek episode where this species is about to go from solid state to merely existing as energy [16:07] snorks, before long we will have to move some people off the planet...if we dont get there, its because we let occult criminals run the world [16:07] we need to make a new matrix [16:07] acidchild: oh now that is nice [16:07] :) [16:07] I like the quota patch hehe [16:07] yeah me too [16:07] how do you make a youtube video fullscreen ? [16:07] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-164.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:07] -s --dport 80 -m quota --quota 2 [16:07] hehe [16:08] Neo-Zionist: i agree. let's start with the french [16:08] Soul_keeper: ..... [16:08] you could use it inrealtion to -m user or w/e its called [16:08] fail [16:08] and quota for each pid/uid [16:08] superfail [16:08] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [16:08] suphp/perl-suid [16:08] agentc0re, ok i see firefox popup blocker ... [16:08] tea4me (n=tea4me@DSPC3.WPI.EDU) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [16:09] Neo-Zionist: so whats your interests? apart from being ignorant? [16:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:09] acidchild, do you do standup ? [16:09] nope [16:09] do you know the population doubles every 17 years ? [16:10] excellent. [16:10] go watch/read/whtever "the limits to growth" [16:10] club of rome document perhaps [16:10] cant be arsed for you [16:10] bono (i=bono@118-168-236-201.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] RitualMast3r (i=7000@62.221.152.41) joined ##slackware. [16:10] people need to stop making babies [16:10] hi all [16:10] snorks: yeah blame nix_chix0r [16:10] nix_chix0r: close your legs =( [16:10] they succumb to parents' wishes to become grand parents [16:11] how can i add local usb printer through KDE CUPS wizard? [16:11] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:11] Have any of you seen Idiocracy? [16:11] RitualMast3r: don't connect to locahost:ipp [16:11] agentc0re: yep. [16:11] snorks: that move plays into what you just said. [16:11] oh lets not do the idiocracy stuff again :p [16:11] agentc0re: they used the wrong word for that film. [16:11] because the Local Printer option seems to be disabled [16:11] agentc0re, yes very good flick [16:11] acidchild, impossible [16:11] agentc0re: lol never mind [16:11] nix_chix0r: same :-( [16:11] acidchild what did you mean don't connect localhost? [16:11] My favorite part is when he breaks out of jail. [16:12] it should be Idianarchy [16:12] RitualMast3r: i ment dont, [16:12] RitualMast3r: cups has a webgui that works awesome [16:12] ok i will look at it [16:12] "Ah, I think I'm in the wrong line. I'm supposed to be in the get out of jail line" [16:12] hahah. [16:12] RitualMast3r: netstat -pal [16:13] The Limits to Growth is a 1972 book modeling the consequences of a rapidly growing world population and finite resource supplies, commissioned by the Club of Rome. [16:13] sounds like pointless science research. [16:13] are you gonna stop fucking? [16:14] i'm not. [16:14] eh? as if it wasn't painfully obvious [16:14] you're wife will force you too ;) [16:14] lol [16:14] dTd: never! [16:14] just wait ;) [16:14] realistically, how remote-exploitable (in terms of running code on the remote target) is netbios-ns (udp)? or would you say it's only good for enumeration? [16:15] dTd: tis a gf btw, and she's expressed how much she doesn't wana be one of them couples. [16:15] dTd: thats when you drag her back to the kitchen, and shorten her chain. ;) [16:15] snorks, dont run it over the internet [16:15] dTd: that whole idea of stopping is scary =( [16:16] snorks, netbios was net meant to be routeable [16:16] *never meant [16:16] so don't put a badly implemented protocol in use over the internet... [16:16] i mean remote as in 10.0.0.2 wants to pwn 10.0.0.3 (example) [16:16] this is your daily public service announcement [16:16] Necos: im not [16:17] snorks, well, how do you expect to do this? you either find an exploit for the right version or you go research the protocol [16:17] and think real hard [16:17] im just trying to form a general opinion [16:17] netbios is a friendly protocol... quite a bit of trust involved... [16:18] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:18] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] so samba would be just as vunerable as ms products, but with varied results [16:18] netbios is notoriously easy to hack....doesnt mean its that way today [16:18] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-164.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] or in a real world scenario with limited resources [16:18] im only talking about the name service and udp [16:18] Neo-Zionist: samba has had a pretty good track record [16:18] Necos* [16:18] so only udp 137 [16:19] considering... what a nasty protocol. [16:19] i didn't say they didn't... [16:19] acidchild how can i see url of printer? [16:19] i'm saying that by being NB-compatible, they can be just as vunerable (provided they fuck up somewhere) [16:19] RitualMast3r: well it will be on your list next to (USB Printer) [16:19] lol? [16:19] cups kinda auto scans i guess [16:20] http://127.0.0.1:631 <--- go to that website RitualMast3r [16:20] i'm in there [16:20] oh right i thought he meant windows [16:20] and it wants printer's url [16:20] for some reason [16:21] and acidchild there have been some pretty nasty samba bugs, like the traversal of paths not open to samba one, mid-way thru the 3.0 series [16:21] but as for the protocol...its been hackable for a long time (because of windows) [16:21] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:21] RitualMast3r: from the Administration tab, try Find New Printers. [16:21] implementation weaknesses [16:21] yeah [16:22] but netbios was meant to be on a trusted network (the whole idea behind the protocol) [16:22] never over the internet [16:22] eeeeh... quake memories... [16:23] ahh, the good ol' days when things were things were designed in a naive manner of 'let's say it won't be on the _interweb_, so we don't have to spend much time securing it' [16:23] hell yeah.. [16:23] Action: ananke chews vendors who claim that their products shouldn't be on the internet [16:24] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] No printers found. now what? [16:25] this one looks interesting: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2004-0444 [16:25] Garak (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:25] but perhaps not many targets susceptible to it [16:26] RitualMast3r: is "Show printers shared by other systems" checked? [16:26] no? [16:26] errordeveloper (n=pub@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:26] errordeveloper (n=pub@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:27] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [16:28] you know anti virus companies hire people to write viruses? [16:29] wouldn't doubt it, no [16:29] its like how criminals want drugs illegal (money power), and cops also want drugs illegal (money, illusion of security) [16:30] problem reaction solution, the hegelian dialectic.....thesis anti-thesis synthesis [16:30] this is good pot [16:33] slacker123 (n=elecman@bas2-toronto47-1242436910.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] slacker123 (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] lol [16:34] we already know how conspiracy theories work [16:34] it's like how the fbi and nsa go to hacker cons to recruit [16:35] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [16:36] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] errordeveloper (n=pub@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:37] aereinha (n=aereinha@pcp095074pcs.unl.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:37] oh yeah well i watch the watchers [16:38] pervertedly [16:38] i mean [ in bed ] [16:38] lol [16:39] i just had a glass of orange juice made from oranges i picked off my own tree [16:39] tropicana ain't got shit on me [16:39] but were you watching the fruit flies eating the rest of your oranges? [16:39] USDA monitors our trees [16:39] they are clean [16:39] [ in bed ] [16:39] lol [16:40] nullboy: don't forget to sneak those across the border. ;) [16:40] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:40] lol [16:40] ;) [16:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-106.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:41] pulkas (n=pulkas@78.162.163.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: [16:41] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:42] but who's watching the USDA? [16:42] god [16:42] negative [16:42] allah? [16:42] wrong again [16:42] ^_~ [16:43] Oprah [16:43] lol [16:44] wtf..? [16:44] wow... [16:44] nice guess, but wrong [16:44] nullboy, how many trees? [16:44] oprah has the harpo ninjas... [16:44] but they're too elite for such a simple task [16:45] Almost was *Senator* Oprah. [16:45] yeah fail [16:45] then i would say Mighty Mouse.. but he has left our dimension [16:45] Neo-Zionist: 3 navel orange, 1 blood orange, 1 peach, 1 plum, 1 apricot, 1 avocado, 1 giant lemon tree [16:46] nullboy: do you use nails near the roots ? [16:46] aperturefever: no! [16:46] nullboy, do you sell the fruit? [16:46] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Neo-Zionist: nope we eat it [16:46] nullboy, then tell the usda to fuck off, you know they are clean, they are your trees [16:46] dont let them inventory you [16:46] i use some near my lemon trees.. helps the tree [16:46] but in california, all citrus trees are treated very carefully because citrus is a cash crop here [16:47] arktvrvs_ (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:47] we let them in to set sampling trap for medflys [16:47] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:47] every month they check for the nasty bugs [16:47] you cant do that? [16:47] .... [16:47] nullboy: topic? [16:48] Neo-Zionist: you're not from around these parts are you [16:48] years back, the medfly really decimated a lot of crops [16:49] ah, i see [16:49] it's treated seriously here and the USDA doesn't invade our land...they just setup sampling traps it's not some invasion [16:50] in LA county, even if you have just 1 citrus tree, they monitor it with medfly traps [16:50] but it's not like "OMG give us your tree WTF get to the chopper" [16:50] i like the usda overall anyway [16:50] i talked to someone in cali today who said their water bill was over $300 / month [16:50] only because water is so rare there [16:51] however, i hate the FDA [16:51] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] our trees are organically grown, we rely on the natural balance of pests:predators to keep any bugs under control [16:51] it works just fine and the USDA says our trees are awesome [16:51] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] thrice`: that would buy you 15000 tons of water here.... [16:52] no fertilizer? [16:52] Neo-Zionist: nope [16:52] rad [16:52] if we do fertilize it is form kitchen and yard compost [16:52] from* [16:52] nullboy: you had to let the soil self-cleanse for some years? [16:52] nice [16:52] mc is under development again :-) [16:52] aperturefever: my father is an arborist [16:53] bugs eating bugs is good pest control [16:53] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:53] oh groovy [16:54] I used to have a house that had bats in the eaves - they kept the mosquito population down dramatically [16:54] macavity: heh, they're gonna start with fixing the website? ;) [16:54] i posses a clutch of black widow babies [16:54] who wants [16:54] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] also brown recluse [16:54] aperturefever: the citrus fruit that comes from these trees is not like what you get in the store. it doesn't look as pretty because the store shit is bred for looks to sell. our fruit is natural, looks less appealing than store shit but actually tastes like oranges instead of orange stuff [16:54] RitualMast3r (i=7000@62.221.152.41) left irc: "See you in hell!" [16:55] Neo-Zionist: those aren't that common, and definitely not what I was talking about :P [16:55] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] nullboy, they coat them all in pesticide and wax [16:55] yep [16:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:55] does that absorb through the peel? [16:55] i'm sure some oes [16:56] what gets coated in pesticide & wax? [16:56] but with citrus, the skin is really tough and thick. it's probably minimal. i'd be more worried about what gets into it from the soil [16:56] Pig_Pen: citrus in the stores [16:56] ah, ok [16:56] nullboy, y0, there was some talk about pam+slack lately. so how is it going? [16:56] slackytude: it's nice [16:57] nullboy, didnt you want to up a page somewhere? [16:57] slackytude: i'm afraid to [16:57] i don't want people flaming me for it [16:57] use an alias :P [16:57] when i was driving 18 wheelers you should see how underripe most produce is when picked & sent to warehouses, and the smell of meat packing houses are (reek of stinking animal carcases [16:57] like notnullMan [16:58] nulldude [16:58] slackytude: however, there is a dude with the basic package set up already. i modified a bunch of his stuff and re-did all of the PAM configs [16:58] he had it across pam.conf and pam.d/ [16:58] pam is meh... [16:58] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] i migrated it all into pam.d/ files [16:59] ...what's wrong with PAM? [16:59] seriously, try me [16:59] i once knew an old whore named pam :D [16:59] lol [16:59] Pig_Pen: nothing wrong with that/her :) [16:59] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:59] PAM is actually a nice framework. try to setup extended system auth mechanisms without pam [17:00] it's always been a pita to get it to work with slack... and everythingi use slack for doesn't absolutely require it [17:00] i have a full package set list for slackware PAM [17:00] one sec [17:00] the only thing I could have done with pam was samba and AD [17:00] then again, i scoffed when sysv support was added [17:00] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [17:00] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/pam_integration_12.2.slackbuild [17:01] pam isn't that hard to integrate [17:01] dunno why people freak about it [17:01] they don't know [17:01] it's FUD [17:01] well, anyway, if there is some developtment or stuff to download, please consider pinging me [17:01] dropline pam sucked [17:01] i use cups / samba with winbind integration... works for what i need it t o [17:02] New-Zionist: who is the "dropline pam", and what's her phone number ? [17:02] hahaha [17:02] Necos: but without pam you can't have all the system passwords and samba passwords auto synced [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-164.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] and you can't system auth against the directory [17:03] why the hell would i want that? i never let them near the workstations, and i use acls for that [17:03] with pam you could log into a linux box with a domain login [17:03] nullboy, you can [17:03] we use windows workstations here, only linux servers [17:03] i see then [17:03] nullboy, I got it working but using pam would have been easier [17:03] well, my workstation is slack, but i don't want people using domain logins on my box ;) [17:04] especially for the single sign on stuff [17:04] slacker123 (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] Action: Neo-Zionist logs into an old whore named pam [17:05] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] nullboy: do you have regular slackbuilds for all those packages? [17:06] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [17:06] macavity: yeah [17:06] freezing rain in my locale [17:07] macavity: and i have separated pam configs for the pam.d/ style setup instead of pam.conf [17:07] nullboy: does the ones marked modified atomatically pick up PAM with the Pat V method? [17:07] pam.conf is ghetto [17:07] macavity: they are directly upgradable [17:07] yes [17:07] i made sure of that [17:07] i know wery little about PAM... but i would like to play with fingerprint readers :-) [17:07] hehe [17:07] that was my motivation too [17:07] ah [17:08] nullboy: i can haz url to slackbuilds? [17:08] macavity: i haz none yet! [17:08] i can send you to the guy's scripts that i took and fixed [17:08] but they aren't cleaned up like mine, he uses a mix of pam.conf and pam.d/ configs [17:08] ok, i slashdotted mc homepage and mentioned slackware in the entry at the same time [17:08] you will provide us with goodness under the clause that i will *not* kiss you if you do? :P [17:08] i can indeed [17:09] but not today, probably later this week i can put them up [17:09] jeezze the DX/Skip conditions on CB is so strong right now i cant talk across town to my friends, but i can talk to people in other parts of the world :/ [17:09] first part, bad. second - i think - good :) [17:09] how come when i use ifconfig wlan0 down. within like a half hour or so my wlan0 just comes back up again anyways. why doesnt it stay down? [17:09] nullboy: kkthxbai :-) [17:09] \o/ [17:09] Richlv: wha? [17:09] nullboy: if you want to score e-penis points you stuff all of it on slackwiki [17:10] macavity: i was tempted to paste my write up there but slackware + pam is usually a floggable offense [17:10] Richlv: good work :-) [17:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-165-231.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [17:10] nullboy: why? there are many other articles about how to do something "nasty" to slackware :P [17:11] Necos, you know what /, is, i hope ? :) [17:11] installing 3rd party driver packages like nvidia's or ATI's FUBARs the system too :P [17:12] .. unless people use the slackbuilds for it [17:12] honestly, with the recompiling aside, the hardest part is just making sure you have sane rule stacks setup in pam.d/. if you start with a sane, known good rule set it is easy to work out from there [17:12] I'm using IP masquerade with an additional eth netword card to bring inet access to an additional computer, there's no problem in giving to the additional computer the same IP address in the range that belongs to the adsl modem, as I'm using pppoe [17:12] Action: nix_chix0r streaks [17:12] nix_chix0r: no dilating allowed DAMN IT! [17:13] rofl [17:13] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] where can i configure a global proxy? [17:13] po god [17:14] SM177Y: you cant.. not all apps honnor $PROXY [17:14] SM177Y : no such place [17:14] $SOCKS_PROXY [17:14] here we go again [17:14] ya [17:14] SM177Y: however, you can make a transparent proxy.. that way clients have no choise :P [17:14] why not lol. i could always do it in fluxbox on suse? [17:14] *choice [17:14] I'm using different network adress for the modem and for the masqueraded connection [17:14] hey does anyone know if the mindstorms software was ported to linux? [17:14] i know thats diff but... [17:15] SM177Y : fluxbox has nothing to do with proxies [17:15] hmmm [17:15] SM177Y: you can tell the individual apps about the proxy, but stuff like ping, nmap, traceroute, netcat etc wont give a flying rats arse [17:15] ananke: i know. i was just saying [17:16] SM177Y : what you said was not relevant at all [17:16] i actually used yast. is there somewhere or and application that i can use to set up a global proxy [17:16] ?? [17:16] squid [17:16] >_< [17:17] Greyhound (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [17:17] SM177Y : yast is a configuration tool, which does a lot of things. god knows which applications it actually configures for that proxy [17:17] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:18] ananke: i suppose [17:18] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.22.html <-- Does these 3 steps work on Slackware aswell? [17:18] kjell : yes [17:18] SM177Y: you keep describing a need that openvpn was designed to cover [17:18] Thank you ananke. [17:18] kjell, tehy forgot to tell you to be in console mode [17:18] Neo-Zionist: I got that ;) [17:19] Or wait what? Needed to be in console-mode or in a terminal? [17:19] wow, this shit is cool :) [17:19] the science dept. sent down a mindstorms robot [17:19] ctrl + alt + backspace [17:19] Ah ok. Good to know. Thanks Neo-Zionist. [17:19] kjell: observe that the slackbuilds.org entry for nvidia drivers give a much more clean solution [17:20] kjell: it does requre a that you read the README though ;-) [17:20] kjell: ... and read slackbuilds.org/howto [17:20] if it aint broke, dont fixiit [17:20] the nvidia installer IS broken [17:20] macavity: Oh, nice. Got something to read 'til I get my computer then ;) [17:20] not here... [17:20] it does not proberly back up the mesa files.. it just over writes them [17:21] hehe awesome! [17:21] so when you downgrade [17:21] from nvidia to vesa [17:21] you have mesa! [17:21] bah, who needs those silly mesa files at that point? :) [17:21] people with two graphics cards? [17:22] i back up my mesa files manually every night [17:22] and date them [17:22] also make diffs [17:22] macavity : which is you, and two other fellows? :) [17:22] sounds like an exaggerated problem [17:22] What's the mesa-files and why backup them so often? [17:22] thats not the point.. the point is that the default installer does it in an unclean way [17:22] slacker123 (n=elecman@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:22] kjell: they are just making fun [17:23] kjell: mesa is the OpenGL library that ships with xorg.. all Free/open drivers use it [17:23] Bah, fun over textchats. Never understands when joking and not :-D [17:23] macavity : depends on your definition of 'clean'. personally, removing them is the clean way for me. i no longer need them [17:24] kjell: so, if you go from an nvidia card to an ATI card your system is hosed [17:24] weird, does slackware have libWand? [17:24] it doesn't seem to be in the imagemagick package [17:24] macavity, installpkg libmesa [17:24] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] Neo-Zionist: i know how to fix it kkthxbai... and i still maintain that repackageing them with the slackbuild is the prudent thing to do [17:25] Neo-Zionist: like i repackage OOo to get proper packages too [17:25] macavity: in fact, nvidia-installer does back up the files it overwrites. It's somewhere in /var. Don't know exactly now though. Anyway slackbuilds++ :P [17:25] macavity, you are retarded [17:25] kthxbai [17:25] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:26] kamaji: I bet what you're building has a broken build system. [17:26] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:26] O_o [17:26] ars technica has a new layout [17:27] just a new skin [17:27] i cant believe ars is still a good site...guess the refused the wired merger [17:27] jkwood: i'm not building anything; inkscape's suddenly started complaining about lack of libWand, and I can't see it with locate [17:27] kamaji: ldd the binary? [17:27] wired ruins everything it touches [17:27] Hmm... That's weird. [17:27] I like ars [17:27] kamaji : things usually don't break on their own. what did you do? [17:28] slackytude, yeah its still good [17:28] ananke: I did upgrade a while ago [17:28] ananke: haven't tested since [17:28] its independent...right? [17:28] kamaji ; upgrade of what to what? [17:28] ananke: oh ,sorry [17:28] slack 12.1 to 12.2 [17:28] whole system using the DVD [17:28] heh, they use mysql [17:28] Greyhound (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:28] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] kamaji : out of curiosity, what does 'which inkscape' show? [17:29] ldd shows libWand.so.10 => not found [17:29] ananke: /usr/bin/inkscape [17:29] does slack have the magickwand package? [17:29] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/26/1917254 WooHoo!!! [17:29] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:29] hm, not sure if it is magickwand actually :| [17:29] Pig_Pen: Sweet! [17:30] kamaji : there's libmagickwand.so, but not libwand.so, it's part of the imagemagick package [17:30] neverwas (n=Adam@237-71-14-216-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) left ##slackware. [17:30] kamaji : ls /var/log/packages/imagemagick* [17:30] ananke: /var/log/packages/imagemagick-6.4.3_10-i486-1 [17:30] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [17:30] kamaji: It doesn't link to libWand here... Are you using the SBo package? [17:30] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] jkwood: SBo? [17:30] kamaji : that looks like the right package [17:30] Greyhound (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [17:31] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "Leaving" [17:31] on 12.1 libWand.so is there [17:31] jkwood: I think this was a slacky.eu package [17:31] and it is in imagemagick [17:31] macavity: ah that's probably why it broke then ^^ [17:31] ... [17:31] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:31] kamaji: huh? [17:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.218) left irc: [17:31] macavity: I thought it's under libmagickwand now? [17:32] grep -i libmagickwand /var/log/packages/* [17:32] i dont know about 12.2 yet.. havent gotten around to upgrading [17:32] /var/log/packages/imagemagick-6.4.3_10-i486-1:usr/lib/libMagickWand.so.1.0.0 [17:32] /var/log/packages/imagemagick-6.4.3_10-i486-1:usr/lib/libMagickWand.la [17:32] ananke: hm, no it's not showing up [17:32] I will reinstall the package [17:32] kamaji : i was about to suggest that [17:33] hmmm [17:33] Huh... no libWand in 12.2, it would appear. [17:33] Not in Slamd64, anyway. [17:33] where the hell is bluetooth support in the kernel config? [17:34] Necos: Use / to find bluetooth. [17:34] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [17:36] ananke: ok it's showing up now, I will symlink it to libWand. Cheers :) [17:37] no matches found ; ; [17:38] wow... bluetooth in the networking section >.> [17:38] and here i thought it would fall under the usb-style drivers [17:39] hmmmm HCI bluefritz usb driver... that sounds about right [17:40] kamaji : you shouldn't have to symlink anything [17:40] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [17:40] nooooo! xgizzmo!! [17:41] ;D [17:41] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] now that i've enabled all the bluetooth stuff... time for a recompile [17:42] new ars is fast [17:42] ya [17:42] ananke: inkscape wants libWand, and the package has libMagickWand [17:42] ananke: symlink worked, so i'm not too bothered [17:42] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-151-12.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:43] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-31.codetel.net.do) joined ##slackware. [17:43] i cant belive they changed a library name for a minor release... [17:44] Probably it's the difference between ImageMagick and GraphicsMagick [17:44] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:44] IOW, kamaji is trying to get a third party package compiled against GraphicsMagick to work on Slackware, which ships ImageMagick. [17:44] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:45] If that's the case, and he's symlinked it, I wonder how long till it blows up. [17:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] its a binary package he got from slackey.eu [17:45] why? its on sbo [17:45] was probably intended for 12.1 [17:45] lol there's a kernel option for the lego IR tower... awesome! [17:45] Necos: yes.. its been there for ages :P [17:45] just build it a few days ago [17:46] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got lost in the net-split. [17:46] i've never had a reason to lok for it [17:48] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-150-6.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:48] omg [17:51] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [17:52] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [17:53] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [17:53] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-197462.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [17:58] rworkman: Now you know why I quit long ago. [17:59] huh? [17:59] you blew up your system? screenshots? [18:00] oh, nm. [18:00] about the GraphicsMagick stuff above. [18:00] Yep. [18:00] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] hehe [18:01] wow, this is takin a awhile lol [18:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:02] hwiesinger: fixed the ardour link for you. Thanks for the headsup [18:03] rworkman: thanks :) I will mail the one who reported it to me then too [18:03] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-31.codetel.net.do) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:03] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] tntslack (n=will@adsl146-247.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ah shit... [18:08] Epic fail? [18:08] rworkman: erm...does it work for you? Cause I got some strange behaviour here.... [18:09] http://www.pastebin.ca/1319031 [18:10] and i think that's because i'm running vmware workstation... (it may have locked /dev) [18:11] The LBA32 thing can be fixed by putting lba32 in your lilo.conf (I put it underneath the boot = line). [18:11] Otherwise... hmm. [18:11] indeed. Pat should include that by default these days [18:12] Larrabee looks like teh shithe :P [18:12] i nmeant the /proc line [18:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:12] hwiesinger: does what work? the download link? [18:12] yes [18:12] why does my wlan0 keep coming back up by itself after i shut it down. its starting to piss me off lol [18:12] If so, I didn't test it - I just assumed it worked since you mailed it :) [18:12] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] SM177Y: rmmod th emodule :) [18:13] rworkman: I'm damn sure it worked yesterday. Now it just redirects to the "new version available" page :/ [18:13] SM177Y: Intel wifi? [18:13] because i use my ssh tunnel on my lan and when my wlan0 comes back up it tries to use that ip instead and cuts out all my ssh connections to my lan [18:13] linksys [18:13] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:13] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw119.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:13] i didnt know linksys made wifi chips.. [18:13] i use the wifi sometimes so i dont want to completely just remove the module lol [18:14] hwiesinger: well, I've got to run now. We'll fix it tomorrow, or put it on our server, or some such [18:14] SM177Y: rmmod just unloads if from memory [18:14] rworkman: ok, no biggie [18:14] later rw [18:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] i know lol. that shouldnt be necessary tho. once the interface is down it should stay down lol [18:15] but apparently it doesnt :P [18:16] *should* is often not the case [18:16] but again, what chip is it? [18:16] lol ya [18:16] bcm43xx [18:16] ah... that explains a lot [18:16] :P [18:16] lol [18:16] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:17] its the linksys wireless N pci card. wmp300N i beleive [18:17] broadcom suxors dawgs bollocks.. [18:17] it was the best one for the price when i got it [18:17] screw the particular card.. that has very very little to say [18:17] and ive never had trouble with belkin's broadcom chipsets in the past so idk [18:17] Nick change: Gtwy -> fuckyou [18:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] fuckyou (n=secret@gtwy.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:18] i stay well clear of broadcom products [18:18] Nick change: AbortRet1yFail -> AbortRetryFail [18:19] Does anyone know if there was any problems with the FLAC libs that shipped with slackware 12.1? [18:19] not that i know of, no [18:19] aereinha (n=aereinha@pcp095074pcs.unl.edu) left irc: "The computer fell asleep" [18:19] idk. everyone hates on the broadcom chipsets but i dont have any probs with them. cept for this lol. but i just rmmod'd it for now i guess. no biggie [18:19] as in, i play .flac just fine here [18:19] havent done any incoding though [18:19] trying to build libsndfile and audacious and it's blowing up on some of the FLAC variables. [18:20] have you checked the minimum version required for those two? [18:21] that's the funny part. I had libsndfile built correctly before. [18:21] i ran into problems with one of the deps for audacious and traced it back to libsndfile. Trying to rebuild libsndfile is giving me problems now. [18:21] sndfile is on SBo [18:22] but it appears that audacious is not [18:22] err sorry audacity [18:22] audacious ships with slackware [18:22] (i always get those two confused...) [18:23] I'd try a different sample editor but just about all of them are going to need libsndfile. [18:23] ok, so both are on SBo, which means that people can build them on non-broken systems :P [18:23] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] eh well i could reinstall the packages for the FLAC library. [18:23] try re-installing the offending package [18:23] oh well.. [18:23] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-150-6.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] a build should not pwn you system... but you never know [18:25] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:26] don't think a slackbuild screwed it up. [18:26] AbortRetryFail: libsndfile doesn't compile? [18:26] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: No route to host [18:27] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:27] nope [18:29] hmm [18:29] i think the configure script is broken. [18:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] AbortRetryFail: pastebin a build log please. [18:30] because: Moving libsndfile-1.0.17-i486-2_SBo.tgz to /tmp... \n\n Package creation complete. [18:30] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] slackware 12.1? [18:31] no. Slackware-12.2 [18:31] i know it worked for me before [18:31] not sure if it worked /before/ i upgraded to 12.1 [18:31] This box isn't quite ready to be upgraded to 12.2 yet... too many apps to get cleaned up first. [18:31] hmm give me a second ... let me see if builds more or less on my vps that runs 12.1 (but it's not a clean enviroment [18:32] mine's not a perfectly clean env either. I just wish GCC's error messages weren't so damn cryptic. [18:32] i'll pastebin once it fails again. I cleared everything out and tried it again. [18:33] s/cryptic/informative/ [18:34] Neo-Zionist: I'm going to assume you're joking ;) [18:34] nope [18:34] i liked GCC 3 better - it was easier to fix things when you're just a user who doesn't have a masters in computer science. [18:35] well that puts me out of the "just a user" cat [18:36] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] i couldn't have guessed ;) [18:36] Moving libsndfile-1.0.17-i486-2_SBo.tgz to /home/michiel/builds... \n\n Package creation complete [18:36] AbortRetryFail: build on a unclean 12.1 as well :) [18:36] BP{k}: thanks for checking. now i know something with my system is hosed. [18:36] actually... let me re-download the source for libsndfile. Might have gotten botched. [18:37] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) joined ##slackware. [18:38] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:38] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] AbortRetryFail: thats why we include the md5sum [18:38] kotomart (n=kotomart@91.103.153.252) joined ##slackware. [18:39] it checks out [18:39] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) joined ##slackware. [18:39] that was one of the first things i checked. [18:40] hmm let me see for shit and giggles if I can find a clean chroot somewhere [18:40] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:40] dont worry about it [18:41] my system is obviously hosed, i just need to find out where/how and fix it. [18:41] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-153.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [18:42] good night hackers [18:42] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [18:42] AbortRetryFail: you downgraded the flac package at some point perhaps? [18:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-26-106.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] good evening [18:42] alienBOB: i just tried reinstalling it from teh 12.1 DVD and it still fails. [18:43] lemme try rebuilding it and pastebin the error. [18:45] OK THATS WEIRD. [18:45] i re-downloaded the source and the slackbuild for it and it worked fine. [18:45] Yes because now you have the actual slackware 12.1 flac [18:45] alienBOB: no it failed before with that. [18:46] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.2.25) joined ##slackware. [18:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.154) joined ##slackware. [18:48] <_adrenaline> alienBOB, so on your kernel compile page you say to pick I timer to 1000 is there any badness that can come from that? [18:48] <_adrenaline> sorry fat fingers [18:49] <_adrenaline> timer frequence 1000 [18:50] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:52] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Greertings Programs! [18:52] -r [18:52] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:52] ANyone using Claws MUA? [18:52] yes. [18:53] BP{k}: opinion? good points and bad? [18:54] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] I like it. enough to make me ponder switching away from kontact. [18:54] I haven't used it intensively enough to discover any major points so far. [18:55] kotomart (n=kotomart@91.103.153.252) left irc: "Leaving" [18:55] *major bad points* [18:55] only thing I dont overly like is it creates a seperate folder for each mailstore you create. but it's not overly annoying :) [18:56] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:56] BP{k}: Ok. I used Evolution with GNOme and mutt in console. I was going to go with Thunderbird but was pointed to Claws, which I had no experience with though I tried an early version of Sylpheed when it first came out. [18:56] claws is goot :) [18:56] I know rworkman uses it, andarious uses it, erik uses it... erik is the maintainer as well of the SBo buildscript. [18:58] Off topic: I see Obama is running true to Democrat form - three new legal appointments to the Justice department are all lawyerds with ties to RIAA and the SPA Business Alliance folks [18:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.13) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.13) joined ##slackware. [18:59] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] RIAA and SPA have done well under Republicans too, whether or not their own boys got to sit in the big chairs. [19:01] greetings and salutations [19:01] NyteOwl: follow the money ;/ [19:02] instead of listening to lobbiests he just gives them government jobs, kind of like having the fox guard the hen house [19:03] 10-4 elenor :) [19:03] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.154) left irc: "leaving" [19:08] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.226.46.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.136.128) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [19:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] andarious: felicitations [19:11] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] this evening and all day tomarrow we have ice storms, thats when it rains and the rain freezes on to everything leaving a glaze of ice on everything [19:11] NyteOwl: salutations to you sir ;) [19:11] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-153.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] Anyone know someone that collects old computers/components? [19:12] how old ? [19:15] oh 80's machines - probably early-mid 80's. I was housecleaning and found three expansion boards and a thermal printer board for an old Multitech MPF machine [19:15] :| [19:15] a voice baord, sound board, thermal printer baord [19:15] dont know any one who likes gear the old ;) [19:15] send it to a pcb recycling place. [19:16] They're in really good shape. I just hate to toss them in the garbage [19:16] ebay? [19:16] not worth the aggravation [19:16] Neo-Zionist (n=Neo-Zion@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:19] yes [19:19] bah [19:19] what kind of chip is in the voice board? [19:20] I don't recall just now. they're down in my work room inthe basement [19:20] I'll have a look next time I go down [19:21] pretty good deal on 1TB seagates at best buy this week, $99 [19:21] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.16.106) joined ##slackware. [19:21] twolf: not a good deal really [19:21] is for retail box store around here [19:21] twolf: it's jsut htat best buy most likely do not want to RMA them back to seagate [19:21] it was the 1.5TB that seagate was haveing problems with [19:22] they have a firmware upgrade to fix the problems iirc [19:22] i've had issues with a lot of recent seagate drives [19:22] oh THAT debacle [19:23] othermindszine (n=othermin@210.sub-70-192-156.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:23] I have a 640 GB Seagate that is on the list of affected drives. I haven't update the firmware though. [19:24] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.2.25) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:24] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] NyteOwl: There is a firmware upgrade. The I have been seeing online that the SD1A firmware was rendering the drives inaccessible, but I think they have since released SD1B to fix that problem. [19:25] ugh... [19:26] next you will have to upgrade your sound card firmware :( [19:27] hehe [19:27] just goes to chow the computer industry is getting sloppy [19:27] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-151-12.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] s/chow/show/ [19:30] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] slacka (n=slacka@64.114.172.129) joined ##slackware. [19:33] <_adrenaline> is there a rule of thumb where to install packages in slackware. Ones that are not .tgz? [19:34] tend to be /usr/local [19:35] <_adrenaline> I tried to install NX client and it created a file called /bin /lib /share [19:35] <_adrenaline> Do I need to move those? [19:36] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Hello, I was going thru the process of setting up Luks/Lvm on my laptop. Unfortunately, after lilo, i get a blank screen. I'm pretty positive it's because i didn't include the i915G module in my initrg.gz. I was just wondering if anyone could tell me how to properly mount the encrypted/lvm, so i can remake my initrd [19:42] according to the luks/crypt readme (which i was following), it said that slackware's setup mounts the new install for you on /mnt, which is what i'd like again. [19:42] test things by appending "vga=normal" to the kernel name at the boot prompt [19:43] oh man, i actually read about that and wrote it down and totally forgot [19:43] thanks. I'm gonna try that [19:44] yw [19:47] rworkman: whats all this about gpg keys? [19:48] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) joined ##slackware. [19:48] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.75.143) left irc: Client Quit [19:49] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:50] haha. I'm in for it now. That got it to show some stuff but it complained about other stuff. This is also my first time using an initrg. It's also the first time i decided to try recompiling a new kernel after setup. It looks like the initrg was made for the previously installed kernal. frak. [19:51] initrd [19:51] my bad [19:51] if you were using initrg=/etc/initrg.gz that would cause problems [19:51] no I wasn't [19:51] initrd is "initial ram disk" [19:52] yes i know [19:52] should leave the new kernel till after things are working ;) [19:52] yeah...damnit [19:52] also make sure to use the generic kernel when doing this. [19:52] i tried and it whined about it being too big. [19:52] the huge kernel is as the name says, huge, and causes problems [19:52] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:52] Which the tutorial warned about (if using the huge kernel), which I did not. [19:53] so you dont see anything? does the kernel panic? [19:53] how about i tell you what i did do [19:53] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) left irc: [19:55] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [19:55] slackware is my new happy place [19:56] adrenaline: okay [19:56] slacka: sure when you're ready [19:56] hehe [19:56] just saying [19:56] i have an unencrypted boot partition and an encrypted (split into various lvs). I then installed slack. The chroot to /mnt, downloaded the newest stable kernal and installed it. Then i tried mkinitrd with the new kernal version specified. But I had compiled in i915G, not as module (I am not even sure if this was the problem but I think so). [19:57] you shouldnt have tried to use the new kernel. [19:57] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-53-219.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] after changing lilo.conf and running lilo and rebooting, i had the blank screen after the lilo prompt. [19:57] switch back to the stock kernel, get that working. [19:58] then you've got a working config to refer to. [19:58] true dat. [19:58] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] make sure to rename your initrd to protect it from being overwritten [19:58] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] the generic kernel is guarenteed to have the right options to get luks/lvm working [19:59] gah think I'll just install zsh [20:00] well, I did compile in support for them but yeah. [20:00] kitche: noooooo [20:00] Thanks for the tips. [20:00] /cl [20:01] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:01] denied :P [20:01] slacka: once the system is booted, you can lsmod, maybe you missed something :) [20:01] spook: to lazy to figure out how to get bourne shell tab complete enabled(well I did read the man page about sh [20:02] kitche: um, stock slackware has tab complete in bash [20:02] spook: read again I said bourne shell not bourne again shell [20:03] Action: kitche does not use any Linux hence no bash [20:03] = /bin/sh ? [20:03] I could install it [20:04] spook: bournce shell is sh bourne again shell is bash [20:04] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:05] bah no c in bourne :) [20:05] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:08] heh [20:08] josemanuel (n=josemanu@64.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:12] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [20:12] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [20:12] if you want to make an initrd for a non-installed kernel, do you chroot to the kernal source? [20:13] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.130) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [20:14] no. [20:14] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [20:14] you have to be running the kernel, or have to specify what kernel to use. [20:15] the kernel has to be compiled, and the modules installed [20:16] I'm running Slackware with jfs. I needed to make an initrd with jfs in it. If my machine crashes, the fsck fails with something about a missing pivot_root. Anyone familar with jfs and pivot_root? [20:16] hmm, yeah, I compiled the new kernal and installed the modules and pointed mkinitrd to the new kernal (it just uses this for picking the right modules afaik), but it still was created using the runnign kernal. [20:17] is there a module called pivot_root? [20:17] god damned rabits [20:17] slacka: get a stock kernel running first... [20:17] yeah, working on it [20:17] I had to put jfs.o in the tree that mkinird builds its image. Do I also have to put in pivot_root AND anything else - like fsck.jfs? [20:18] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] There is a program called pivot_root - sorry but I'm not in Linux right now - just thought I 'd ask [20:20] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:20] eddief2: you should investigate adding it to the initrd tree [20:21] mkinitrd(8) [20:21] BlueWall (i=1000@adsl-074-237-137-028.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] has anybody had any luck with citrix and slackware? [20:21] and in /sbin theres fsck.jfs jfs_fsck [20:22] adrenaline: yes [20:22] sweet [20:22] eddief2: go talk to the guys in #openwrt. they know a lot about pivoting [20:22] OK, Thanks. [20:22] adrenaline: i have used the citrix client many times [20:22] i remember that i had to compile motif 2.4 and link the lib to the version that citrix was looking for. [20:23] pivot_root(8) needs to be in your initrd [20:23] adrenaline: you need to make a symlink yourself...yeah [20:23] mkinitrd(8) DTRT, just look at the initrd it makes. [20:23] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Thanks again rob0 and others. [20:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:24] hmm Microsoft Aol corporation asking for bank information lol [20:25] hey does anyone know of a more elegant way to share my schedule with friends here in korea and also with family in the states? i am usually building an html file for the states that's translated into their time, but i don't have such a thing for here, and the mental load of translating times and dates (since we're 15 hours ahead of my family back home) is rather high [20:26] sunbird and shared cals [20:26] google calendar? [20:27] well the trick is i want to control access to the calendar, and i can do that on my own website using .htaccess [20:27] i don't want to use google anything [20:27] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [20:27] sunbird and shared cals [20:27] ical? [20:27] i was thinking maybe of kontact and sharing calendar through that but i'm not sure [20:27] sunbird? [20:27] mozilla calendar program [20:27] standalone cal app yuh [20:28] does it export to HTML? [20:28] does it support multiple time zones? [20:28] TwinReverb: Try JavaScript - easy - Use UTC (what was GMT) and have each side Korea/US set an offset from UTC??? [20:29] there is this thing these days many projects have. i think its called a home page. reading those is helpful :) [20:29] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] andarius, :P [20:30] oh dood man brah use iptables geoip matching and php generated pages based on geo match [20:30] YEAH [20:31] proxy recognition and tracking for those who think they are slick too :) [20:32] eddief2: ummm GMT is still around UTC is before GMT really [20:32] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@189.53.35.120) joined ##slackware. [20:34] >.< [20:34] there's not an easy solution to this [20:45] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-213.codetel.net.do) joined ##slackware. [20:46] spook: PEBKAC. I posted my gpg passphrase in my ChangeLog. Long story. [20:46] rworkman: <3 [20:46] that's awesome [20:47] Ok. So I'm using the generic kernal now. It booted nicely to the Luks password prompt. I typed in my pass, it succeeded, but then said "mount: cannot read /etc/fstab: NSFOD", Error: No /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted). Trouble ahead. etc [20:47] rworkman: hmm long story eh [20:47] Anyone know what's up with that? [20:48] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] does slack come with some sort of key logger packaged? i know thats a weird question [20:50] cat /dev/input/by-id/something-sensible >> /root/log [20:50] good lord [20:50] yes? [20:50] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [20:51] kitchie: Wikipedia - "UTC replaced GMT as the basis for the main reference time scale or civil time in various regions on January 1, 1972" [20:51] andariuslol [20:51] Long story short, there was a bug in my meta/gpg/md5 generation script. While troubleshooting, I redirected all output to a file. Typing blindly, I forgot that the *first* prompt for info is the *changelog* rather than the gpg passphrase :/ [20:51] eddief2: yes I know but GMT is still around [20:51] how does one decode that input? [20:51] fred: is that ascii codes it shows? [20:51] scancodes more likely, not entirely sure. [20:51] it's spewing loads of stuff [20:51] kitchie: OK [20:52] kitchie: Are you from the UK? [20:52] eddief2: nope from the US [20:52] a 3ware 9650SE-8lpml kit for $200 CAD - gotta be a typo [20:52] rworkman: if i didnt know better i'd say you just cleartext'd your gpg password somewhere? [20:52] Action: jkwood introduces eddief2 to tab-completion [20:53] kitchie: If you get to listen to WWV, they announce time in UTC [20:53] jkwood: I m use to people calling me kitchie anyways a few radio shows called me it [20:53] at the tone, the time will be 01:54 [20:54] beep [20:54] snorks: that would be it. [20:54] rob0: Tick, Tick, Tick.... [20:54] brb [20:54] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:54] rworkman: and let me guess you did not generate a revoke key :) [20:55] jkwood: I'm new to X-Chat [20:55] What strength key does Slackware generate/SSH use? [20:55] ccfreak2k: think it uses DSA by default [20:55] Oh, not RSA? [20:56] eddief2: Everybody was at one point. [20:56] jkwood: I am at that point now. [20:56] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [20:56] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.16.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.198.49) joined ##slackware. [20:58] kitche: not needed. The key is *physically* secure, so just changing the passphrase is good enough. [20:58] eddief2, test of tab completion [20:58] eddief2wwwwwwwwwww828282: its working [21:00] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:10] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:12] i use pidgin foreverything.. irc/msn/aol/ [21:12] ya like I like amsn but it doesn't look like an easy install [21:12] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:12] I may try pidgin since it is already installed [21:12] Action: BP{k} uses pidgin || kopete || bitlbee depending on circumstances [21:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] Action: andarius uses smoke signals [21:15] Action: nooper <3 electronic mail [21:15] ihave to say, it is a real pain in the ass to make a "k" via smoke [21:15] Action: BP{k} also likes to throw hammers at people. [21:15] back in my day we used to actually talk to each other [21:15] would be sort of like eliciting a response via a "bonk" :) [21:17] tbielawa: aww, how quaint ;) [21:18] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [21:20] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Client Quit [21:20] slack_fan (n=elecman@bas2-toronto47-1242436910.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:23] tntslack (n=will@adsl146-247.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:33] OK what about gnome who uses it? [21:34] i do but in openbox atm [21:34] using gsb [21:34] http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [21:34] thats it [21:34] chubs (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:40] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:40] DaRock kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [21:41] that would not put it at the top [21:41] bahh [21:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:47] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] hi, i have a question for amarok users using slack 12.2 : have you had issues with the ipod not being able to write to the ipods database? [21:51] i asked in #amarok and one suggestion was 'system issue' [21:51] where can i begin troubleshooting this? [21:53] google [21:57] right, i came across ubuntu forms, so then i went to #amarok, then here. [21:57] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-24-131-121-22.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] you searched on "amarok slackware", and ended up on Noobuntu forums? [21:58] wow [21:58] blkdg, is the available disk space changing any? did you try and search by what generation you have? [21:59] better than people on irc who say "omfg google it" [21:59] danc3: i googled 'amarok fails to write to ipod' and i got ubuntu. [21:59] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] blkdg: perhaps you should search on what I wrote... [21:59] is it a model of ipod that amarok can write to ? [22:00] "amarok ipod slackware" would be a good start [22:00] when i googled 'slackware 12.2 amarok' i got links to the packages ... i will reread what you wrote. [22:01] tbielawa: its a 2nd Gen ipod video 30G, no, i didn't search that at all [22:06] ok, i have a question, is my mount point /dev/sda2 or /media/ipodname ? [22:06] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] type mount [22:06] you tell us [22:07] blkdg, did you read the docs that came with libgpod ? [22:07] it sasy ->/dev/sda2 on /media/ipodname [22:07] no, tank-man [22:08] so, the mount point is /media/ipodname? [22:09] man libgpod ? [22:09] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-80-159.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] docs for packages are usually in /usr/share/doc/programname [22:10] blkdg: if /dev/ssda2 is the device guess what the other part is [22:11] ok, if that's my mount point, and i cd to it, i should see the lock file that amarok wants me to get rid of, it says there are two of them, but that dir is empty (ipod_control) [22:12] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-61-68-217-43.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [22:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-165-231.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:15] ok, the NEWS discusses hal and non square covers and the README talks about calling functions for pictures. now i'm lost very lost tank-man [22:15] ... [22:15] Redinger|off (i=Redinger@haut.dir.gleich.nen.paar.drauf.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:16] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:16] how does that make you more list? it's documentation that doesn't apply to your situation so move on [22:16] lost* [22:17] blkdg, do you see a "docs/reference/html/itunesdb.html" [22:17] i was following tank-man 's suggestion [22:17] so? [22:17] all he said was where to find some documentation [22:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:19] well.... X is broken again. [22:19] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-213.codetel.net.do) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:19] i don't see docs/reference/html/itunesdb.html in /usr/share/doc/amarok-1.4.10 or /usr/share/doc/libgpod [22:20] remember that game for windows where ants would go on your desktop [22:20] and you could kill them with diffrent things [22:22] tank-man: where is that directory ? [22:22] yea let me look [22:23] no old fogie tonight? [22:23] Redinger|off (i=Redinger@haut.dir.gleich.nen.paar.drauf.org) joined ##slackware. [22:23] finallt got 2 scripts merged successfully .be easier if i knew perl.man,but its a sweet distro/themeinfo-script for screenshots. works for me anyways :) [22:24] finallt/finally http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8927/200901262218ej1.png [22:24] blkdg, do you have this package "libgpod" ? you can see if it is by looking in /var/log/packages/libgpod [22:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] yes i have libgpod, it was installed during 12.2 installation [22:27] 21:27:34 up 35 days, 21:27, load average: 0.19, 0.07, 0.02 [22:27] that's openwrt lol [22:27] on a wrt54gs [22:27] why lol? [22:27] it's rad [22:27] the lol rubbed off today [22:27] blkdg, from the amarok "device menu" did you "configure" it? did you pick your ipod device from the list? [22:27] i figure that resistance is futile [22:28] lol [22:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] yes. [22:28] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-213.codetel.net.do) joined ##slackware. [22:28] so i will be injecting lols everywhere now [22:28] oh [22:28] Linux border 2.4.35.4 #3 Mon Oct 20 12:53:10 PDT lol 2008 mips unknown [22:29] heh [22:29] sweet :) [22:29] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] I just installed HostGIS Linux, which is a Slackware-based HostGIS system. [22:29] settings-/configure amarok, then i selected my ipod [22:30] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] it says its mounted at /media/ipodname [22:30] It configures all of the servers on the system by default. MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc. [22:30] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] blkdg, here read this http://rafb.net/p/FExvWu96.html [22:30] see if it applies to your ipod (is it a newer ipod?) [22:30] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@tdev212-213.codetel.net.do) left irc: Client Quit [22:31] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@203.160.1.71) joined ##slackware. [22:31] http://www.fs-driver.org [22:31] blkdg, that info was taken from "README.SysInfo" that came with libgpod [22:32] its a shame - I needed it 5 years ago, and it wasn't usable ... now I so rarely use windows I doubt I'll ever need it [22:33] rk4n3: Yeah, I never use windows, don't need it. Slackware:) [22:35] is the bluez in 12.2 broken? as i understand it if i read changelog from current [22:36] slacka (n=slacka@64.114.172.129) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:37] nite folks:) [22:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] thanks for that tank-man but the tool listed in the automatic instructions isn't installed, and i don't wnat to recompile libgpod, so i guess i will try the 'messy' solution. thanks [22:39] blkdg, does your ipod support video? [22:39] ves [22:39] yes [22:39] let me know if you ever get video to transfer cause i can't [22:40] _ohm (n=nava@nom19615a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:42] ohm resistance is futile :P [22:42] you will be lollered [22:42] oh noes :) [22:43] nille_: I saw that too... bluez can't be *too* broken, cause my wiimote actually works [22:44] haven't patched yet, we'll see if it still works afterwards [22:44] my nvidia driver has started complaining that it can't find a control display and when i run nvidia-settings -c localhost:0.0 it complains that it can't start the gui. Any ideas? [22:44] well i haven't got my bluetoth to work but i think that if it was real broken then 12.2 would also have the update [22:45] I just reinstalled the driver, and the error happens before i startx [22:45] nille_: eh? I thought 12.2 did have it... /me checks changelog again [22:45] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hm. Yer right, it doesn't. So what was I looking at, -current? [22:46] yes [22:46] *shrug*, guess I'll leave it alone then (box with wiimote is 12.2) [22:47] hiptobecubic: must be card/chip specific i'm using the install huge.s and 180.22 from nvidia.com no probs here mines a Geforce Go 7150M [22:47] chubs (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:47] hiptobecubic what user did you try it as? [22:47] not that I'm actually using the wii controller for anything useful... [22:47] i created the FirewireGuid: 0xffffffffffffffff like the doc said, saved it and tried to reconnect but amarl still cant write to the db. [22:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:48] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [22:48] well i guess i will try bluez from current and see if i can get bluetooth to work, i was only wondering if anyone realy knows how broken bluez is. [22:49] thanks for your help folks. [22:49] i'll tackle this another day. [22:49] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:49] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [22:50] Rat409: same card. It's always worked. I had a working X, logged out and logged in again and then startx was hanging. I rebooted and then it started complaining. I'm not sure where to look. [22:50] nille_: well, bluetooth works for me in plain 12.2, but all I've got that uses it is the wii controller, so it's not really what you'd call a thorough test [22:51] well i can't get my phone to work :( but i never used bluetooth before so i might have done something wrong. [22:52] hmm me either other than /var/log/nvidia-installer.log maybe [22:52] zuse12345 (n=zuse1234@97-121-129-30.clsp.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [22:53] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [22:53] hi [22:53] i use startx also weird [22:53] im running slackware and when i start up and the terminal opens what would be the command to change the thing your running? [22:53] like kde [22:54] xwmconfig [22:54] kdm? [22:54] ok thanks [22:54] ok ill be right back im going to change it [22:54] zuse12345 (n=zuse1234@97-121-129-30.clsp.qwest.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] Rat409, what exactly is your computer doing when you type startx? [22:56] goatse [22:56] lol [22:57] lostnhell: depends on my .xinitrc,i use various wm's.and global options are easier from .xinitrc,for me anyways [22:57] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-197-168.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [22:57] atm i'm in openbox [22:58] ewww [22:58] i was reading backwards... goatse ftl [22:59] Rat409, so your messages are controlled based upon the configuration your are using at the time? [22:59] what messages? [23:00] you mean my screenshot? [23:01] Rat409, I came into the conversation late, was it you or somone else who was having the xserver issue? [23:01] it was hiptobecubic [23:02] sorry for the misunderstanding, is his problem resolved? [23:02] we have same nvidia,his is hosed apparently,not as far as i know he still is trying to troubleshoot [23:04] ok, I will hang in to see if I can help since I fought with a similar issue yesterday [23:04] saidstartx was hanging,he reboot,reinstalled nvidia-driver and gets errors,nvidia-settings won't run [23:04] sorry typing too fast,bad habit [23:05] Rat409, was he using the official drivers or third-party? my problem was when I was using the slckbuild drivers [23:05] nille_: it happens when i'm booting. when i go to runlevel 3 it's the last message that pops up before the login prompt... so root. [23:07] i didn't use the slackbuild script just ran nvidia's installer. [23:10] does anybody still use dropline gnome? [23:10] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [23:10] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] lostnhell: i'm having the issue [23:13] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:13] nope I am still here [23:14] dropline gnome... hmmmm nope [23:14] hiptobecubic, what error message di you receive from xserver? [23:14] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:15] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:15] hey guys [23:16] lostnhell: "my nvidia driver has started complaining that it can't find a control display and when i run nvidia-settings -c localhost:0.0 it complains that it can't start the gui. Any ideas?" [23:17] straterra: doesn't your buddy dagmar use/dev dropline. ;) [23:18] actually dropline has 2.24 in beta iirc [23:18] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] hiptobecubic, that is what I got before I patched the NVIDIA drivers, try following the directions on http://100distros.blogspot.com/2008/12/distro8-slackware-linux-122.html [23:19] Buddy? [23:20] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-3662ee9d3e3355a7) joined ##slackware. [23:20] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h205-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:21] Dagmar doesn't write code - he helps with their releases and tests and such... [23:22] i've used dropline,freerock,gware in the past always like dropline,freerock,att gware was a minimal gnome de.looks complete nowadays tho. [23:24] using gsb now and no complaints,glitches .its very good. [23:25] is there a way in irssi to visit hyperlinks without flipping back and forth and trying to type it by hand? [23:26] copy and paste? [23:26] usually a lugin/script (irssi.org) or use urxvt with url catcher [23:26] plugin darn keybd [23:26] There is urlgrab [23:26] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "I used to have a drinking problem. Now I love the stuff." [23:27] well i have stock irssi because i usually use xchat [23:27] vc or konsole or ? [23:27] urxvt*urllauncher ftw [23:28] lostnhell: is that patch necessary if i've just downloaded and installed 180.22? just now? [23:28] Rat409: i'm at tty1 :D x is broken [23:29] Action: Khratos ... goes to sleep [23:29] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.227.139) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [23:29] hiptobecubic, X may no be broken, you can revert to not nvidia option by running xorgsetup, that will confirm it if was X or the drivers [23:29] yuh i use it in my .Xdefaults :). yuh . can use vesa as a fallback [23:30] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] JavaShjn (n=JavaShjn@203.160.1.71) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:30] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) joined ##slackware. [23:30] lostnhell: well X probably isn't broken actually, because i get the error message before anything X-related tries to launch. [23:30] straterra, me? [23:31] rk4n3: I was unaware of that. I just assumed he was a dropline coder. [23:31] but i don't understand why my driver can't find a control screen. [23:31] is your xorg.conf changed,sounds like it [23:31] Rat409: i'm not loading X [23:31] Rat409: it happens when i boot to runlevel 3 [23:32] before X is started at all. [23:32] try xinit /usr/bin/startkde -- : 1 [23:32] or whatever kde startup is [23:32] i forget [23:33] can run ore than 1 xserver [23:33] more [23:33] chopp: ah - he's pretty involved in their project activities, but in talking with him, I discovered that he doesn't write code [23:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.13) left irc: "leaving" [23:35] rk4n3: he used to hang here. Seemed like an intelligent dude, but arrogant. [23:37] _ohm (n=nava@nom19615a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [23:38] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:39] hiptobecubic: I know almost nothing about the nvidia thingy you're running, but... A "screen" is something that exists in X, so if you're running whatever-it-is outside of X, the "can't find screen" error seems to make sense, hmm? [23:39] eddie_ (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:39] chopp: indeed - I always enjoyed his participation, though I'm typically not bothered by people's rough edges [23:39] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "when the going ets tough, get a sledge and make it easy again" [23:40] you're running this? " [23:40] nvidia-settings -c localhost:0.0 [23:40] ...well localhost:0.0 certainly looks like an X display... if there's no X server running, localhost:0.0 doesn't exist...? [23:40] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [23:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:41] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-80-159.albq.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] Urchlay: yeah i see what you're saying. but what does want then? why is it looking for a screen before x is launched? [23:41] Urchlay: and all of the sudden? it wasn't producing this error yesterday [23:42] reboot..... [23:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "leaving" [23:44] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:47] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-53-219.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] hm, does anyone know of a "sbolint" type of script? something that checks a SlackBuild script and .info file, and maybe the built package, to spot common problems? [23:48] (something you'd run before submitting your script to slackbuilds.org I mean) [23:48] http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Km95JV9hU [23:48] oops [23:49] I mean I'm thinking of writing one, just want to make sure someone else hasn't already done it [23:51] sounds cool [23:51] someone mentioned that they have a tool to generate a "typical" set of files for a slackbuild ... jkwood or someone ? [23:52] ... that's sort of a "front end" oriented approach to the same thing - presumably the template generated from would be error-free [23:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.170) left ##slackware. [23:54] yeah... I was wanting to actually check the built package for bogus stuff too... like the existence of /usr/share/doc or non-gzipped man mages, unstripped binaries, static libs... [23:55] probably the SBo admins have something like this already, can't believe they manually build & examine every package [23:56] Urchlay: the jkwood thing is a ruby script - http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [23:57] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] I haven't looked at it closely but I doubt it's a lint thing that would help with you with all the little varying details, though [23:57] but it does seem to template things out some [23:57] haha... # sbsuite is released under the Dog-on-Fire License: [23:58] search the mailing list - I think someone had something along those lines [23:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Jan 27 2009