[00:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] rworkman, things seem to be working here with your packages. Still no luck with the keyboard layout though [00:01] rworkman, does this look appropriate to you? http://dpaste.com/71475/ [00:04] credo_ (n=36th@80.233.132.79) left irc: "leaving" [00:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:05] hiptobecubic: what VGA chip do you have? [00:06] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2) [00:06] lol [00:06] :D [00:06] I have a p4 next to me with some old crummy integrated intel that never works [00:06] that is the one you should have tried this on [00:07] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.37.213) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:07] as this here is attempts to fix broken intel :P [00:07] you are on -current, right? [00:07] macavity, i only tried it to see if i could my keyboard layout to work [00:07] macavity, yes [00:07] hey all [00:07] macavity, 64-current [00:07] i'll try the other one [00:08] the packages rworkman just posted has nothing to do with the keyboard layout .fdi thing :P [00:08] gtl: hello [00:09] macavity, yeah but why not ride the train, you know? [00:09] sure thing.. but uhm, mesa and nvidia generally collides [00:09] did you re-install the nvidia driver? [00:12] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] macavity, question: this new (7.5) mesa has something to do with open source radeon x driver running better? [00:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-17.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:14] lagann_ (n=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] macavity, rworkman, WOOOOOOOOO [00:19] suddenly my crappy ass desktop has a video card [00:19] gtl: hopefully.. but frankly we are trying it out because it should help the Intel driver from outright crashing/malfunctioning [00:20] hiptobecubic: that fdi file needs the .txt extension removed from it. [00:20] gtl: but yes, the radeon branch has seen some updates too [00:20] rworkman, silly me. thanks [00:20] gtl: so, by all means, test it out if you are on -current, so we can know if it breaks anything for you [00:20] gtl: it would not be good if we fix it for intel users, but break it for radeon users, right? [00:20] and btw, testing on *all* hardware is wanted, because I want to make sure that everything still works if it was already working. [00:20] Right :) [00:21] rworkman: nvidia is another story.. they over write half of Mesa anyways.. and noone i have heard of this far use the nv driver anyways [00:21] I used to use it. [00:22] *blink* [00:22] for what? [00:22] ... but nvidia drivers *just works* ;) [00:22] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:22] gm145 (n=gm145@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Quitting!" [00:22] rworkman, if you don't mind me asking, why is patrick "sitting on" this kernel version? is there something up in 2.6.30.x that i am unaware of? [00:23] macavity: fire|bird was using nv at some point haha [00:23] so let's try it without the .txt [00:23] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [00:23] nvidia-kernel-185.18.14_2.6.29.6_smp-i486-1_hba :) [00:23] macavity & hba: the nv driver "just worked" for me too. I didn't care about 3d stuff. [00:23] TwinReverb: you have to put the foot down somewhere.. and you dont jump kernel versions in an RC :P [00:24] oh [00:24] TwinReverb: 2.6.30.x is just a major jump that there's not time to test now. [00:24] is patrick open to requests for certain features to be standard in his kernels? [00:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] TwinReverb: that would require recompiling glibc and pretty much a test of everything that links to it.. [00:25] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO] [00:25] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOÓÉÉÁÉÍÓÁÉÍÓnÉÍÁîÖÍÉÁÓ®ÍÉÓÁ®ÍÉÓÖÁÉ [00:25] :D [00:25] haha [00:25] TwinReverb: you can write him and ask nicely.. just dont expect an answer [00:25] finally [00:25] utf-8? [00:25] TwinReverb: or rather, if he says "yes" you will see it in the ChangeLog :P [00:25] hiptobecubic: I interpret that to mean that it works. [00:25] fabulous fabulous fabulous [00:25] gtl: are you still with us? [00:25] rworkman, üéß íþß åó®?ß! [00:26] hiptobecubic: Æ Ø åøæ© [00:26] rworkman, fixed my keyboard, AND my video [00:26] you're on a roll this evening i guess [00:26] Yay! [00:26] hiptobecubic: what was you video problem? [00:26] *your [00:27] macavity, instead of loading the desktop, the computer would take a big shit, ignore all inputs, and then kernel panic. [00:27] holy crap [00:28] rworkman: this has struck me before.. could it just be that patricks xorg-1.6.2 package went AWOL due to a CPU hickup? [00:28] macavity, yeah it was no good. i ended up using "vga" i think [00:28] Holy hell. [00:28] macavity: no, not based on some of the testing with local recompiling. [00:28] Re "Holy hell" above, I just panic'd a virtual machine building kde. [00:29] rworkman: i guess you can put another checker next to "user who *need* this upgrade" :P [00:29] In fact. I was so frustrated with having 800x600 on a 22" lcd and getting 47 fps on glxgears that i hadn't even booted it in days [00:29] BUT NOW IT WORKS GREAT! [00:29] hiptobecubic: well congrats.. time to enjoy KDE on -current, huh? :P [00:29] Very good. [00:29] rworkman, do you know how http://www.stacklet.com/node/13 is made? [00:30] i want to do one with slackware64-current [00:30] im stuck using debian ;( [00:30] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [00:30] macavity, i can still do without kde i think. i'm too attached to this little mouse avatar thing [00:30] jeev: I don't know, but it should be easy enough to "upgrade" the image. [00:31] really? [00:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [00:31] from 12.2 to 64-current ? [00:31] I do need to find a decent theme that isn't dominated by white. I've been using a poorly made theme that's mostly gray. I like the colors but it makes a lot of programs look bad, i think it was a gtk1 theme that someone tried to change for gtk2 or something. [00:31] +1 of int to the guy who answer this : [00:31] Suppose there is a town with just one male barber; and that every man in the town keeps himself clean-shaven: some by shaving themselves, some by attending the barber. It seems reasonable to imagine that the barber obeys the following rule: He shaves all and only those men in town who do not shave themselves.Under this scenario, we can ask the following question: Does the barber shave himself? [00:31] the light colored themes make my eyes hurt after too long [00:32] slak: not if the barber is a woman.. [00:32] jeev: as long as the "hardware" is capable, yes. [00:32] :) [00:32] jlindsay (n=none@c-71-228-169-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:32] one male barber [00:32] macavity, one male barber [00:33] Then no. [00:33] Else you wrote the question wrong. [00:33] the hardware is capable [00:33] how is that image created is what i want o know [00:33] rworkman, i was wondering why he doesn't include DM UEVENT [00:33] What if he uses nair [00:33] to know [00:33] (in kernel) [00:33] rworkman, the answer is : there's no solution [00:34] slak, no he is from another town ? [00:34] slak, how is that the answer [00:34] slak: you wouldn't happen to be on the introductory couse for descrete math, would you? [00:34] oh [00:34] do CDs burn from the outside in or the inside out? [00:34] lame [00:34] juice, nope. [00:34] I suppose if you want to argue that the premise is impossible, then sure [00:34] *course [00:35] the barber shaves himself and does not shave himself. so does he shave himself? [00:35] here is the two cases [00:35] woot.. Porter is kickin' in [00:35] hiptobecubic: schroedingers barber? o_O [00:35] Or the barber is native american and doesn't grow facial hair [00:35] done [00:35] lol [00:35] ;) [00:36] If the barber does not shave himself, he must abide by the rule and shave himself. [00:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:36] slak, yes i can see the two possibilities here [00:36] If he does shave himself, according to the rule he will not shave himself. [00:36] slak: you didnt answer my question.. are you on an introductory course for descrete math? [00:36] so theres no solution [00:36] So he shaves himself once and then leaves twon [00:36] town* [00:36] macavity, nope just wanna prove that Logic is not logical [00:36] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [00:37] slak, if you imagine an impossible world you can derive anything. [00:37] ok.. because the above is used as an introduction to the proof that computer code cannot be verified [00:38] (in your head!) Take 1000 and add 40 to it. Now add another 1000. Now add 30. Add another 1000. Now add 20. Now add another 1000. Now add 10. What is the total? [00:38] i debunked that one in 15 secconds flat.. and the teacher looked very befuddled.. and asked me to keep quiet :P [00:38] macavity, i'd like to hear about that [00:38] hiptobecubic: it is just some *lame* proof that takes for granted that the verifying algorithm must accept itself as valid imput [00:38] *input [00:39] ah [00:39] juice, whats the whole point of that ? [00:39] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:39] what answer did you get? [00:39] of course is not only about adding [00:39] 5k [00:39] TwinReverb: it's marked experimental, which in itself isn't that big a deal, but iirc the upstream support for that isn't ready yet. [00:39] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] stig, wrong [00:40] :D [00:40] TwinReverb: upstream = the raid/lvm stack [00:40] juice, nice! [00:40] this is the point of it [00:40] I walked right into it too [00:40] Well, i've booted into Slackware successfully for the first time [00:40] rworkman, oh [00:40] juice: 3100? [00:40] wrong [00:40] Chakravanti, congratulations [00:40] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] i realized right away, but by then it was too late, i'd already blurted it out [00:40] unfortunately i don't have internet there yet [00:40] hiptobecubic, :P [00:40] "take" 1000 meaning deduct? [00:40] i tried enabling eth0 because it was disabled [00:41] and it wouldn't enable [00:41] no [00:41] stig no meaning add [00:41] take as in start with [00:41] all of it is addition [00:41] 4100? [00:41] ok [00:41] I don't geti t [00:41] correct [00:41] *get it [00:41] :) [00:41] 1000+40+1000+30+1000+20+1000+10 [00:41] how the fuck is it not 5000? [00:41] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.246.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:41] stig, :D:D:D:D [00:41] everyone is taking 100 and making 1000 [00:41] ah, i missed 100 [00:41] 1000* [00:41] ah rofl [00:41] I still don't get it [00:41] 4100 [00:41] 1000 1040 2040 2070 ... [00:41] Badis (n=IceChat7@c83-255-102-189.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [00:41] i walked straight into this one on new years eve 2008-2009 [00:42] i remember it now [00:42] i said 5000 then too [00:42] lol [00:42] that's pretty poor [00:42] lol [00:42] that was from the alcohol so we will let it slide [00:42] well now i have no excuse [00:42] on new years eve i ahd the excuse of being drunk [00:42] so why is my eth0 not enabled and why can't i enable it? [00:42] I CAN'T BELIEVE MY FRIGGIN' KEYS WORK AGAIN FÚÚÚÚÚÚÚ [00:42] yeah [00:42] umm ... okay? [00:42] Chakravanti, dhcp? [00:43] yup [00:43] bryanlharris1 (n=bharris@66-190-66-200.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left ##slackware. [00:43] Chakravanti, no driver in the kernel [00:43] or module not loaded? [00:43] Chakravanti, did you setup networking when you installed? [00:43] anyhow.. anyone NOT busy testing rworkman's packages? [00:43] no [00:43] i named the computer [00:43] Chakravanti, as root: pkgtool go to setup [00:43] ok [00:43] choose netconfig [00:44] hey guys, is slack based on another distro or is it's own distro+ [00:44] ? [00:44] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Kl0cK (n=klock@bas10-quebec14-1177912744.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:44] its based on microsoft windows [00:44] every distro is redistro [00:44] `oik [00:44] it's based on ubuntu [00:44] Badis: yeah, on win95 [00:44] its based on bases (which btw belong to us) [00:44] Badis: slackware is the oldest still maintained distro [00:44] Badis: as in, it is the great grandfather of more distroes than i care to count [00:45] Badis: jokes aside, no, its based on itself :) [00:45] Badis: including some pretty lame ones.. but that is not the fault of slackware, but rather the fault of "clever individuals" :P [00:45] macavity: ah ok, that's what I wanted to know thank you, and thank's for all the other "useful" answers..... [00:45] omfg by the way backtrack went based on ubuntu [00:46] Badis: i belive it was originally forked of SLS (back in '92 or something like that) [00:46] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [00:46] slak: perfectly reasonable choice [00:46] what kind of package system does it use? [00:46] stig, why r you willing install it in your servers? [00:47] ..if any [00:47] slak: why would i use backtrack for my servers? [00:47] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:47] Badis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#History [00:47] stig, the point they changed their based distro was the package manager [00:47] Badis, the packages are tar gzipped archives with an post install script [00:48] slak: i am aware of this [00:48] Badis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gldt.svg [00:48] Badis, there are several apps to install like pkgtoolm installpkg, upgradepkg,slackpkg, sbopkg... [00:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:49] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:49] Does somebody else thinks that KDE4 breaks the whole KISS principle? I mean, it seems like the project was left in the hands of a bunch of flash-loving-teenagers, not grown people with working environments... [00:49] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Badis: before you ask: No, Slackware does not support automatic dependency resolution [00:50] harmattan, perhaps but thanksfully there are other choices [00:50] macavity: haha, I wasnt going to ask ;P [00:50] Badis: and no, we will not support you if you use a 3rd party tool for that which breaks your box [00:50] harmattan, I don't see any problem with 1 de being a bit flashy. Myself I prefer fluxbox, and xfce. [00:51] I guess you have had lots of people asking about that then? [00:51] Badis: generally the packages are just tarballs with a doinst.sh script in them (it sets up symlinks etc) [00:51] was KDE ever aiming for KISS? It's always had huge amounts of options etc [00:51] s/generally/basically/ [00:51] Badis, no the usual question is 'why doesn't slackware have a package manangement system' [00:51] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [00:51] which is wrong [00:51] hey is anyone a member of the linux foundation? i need to know if the email is permanent or not [00:52] it does [00:52] even after you stop paying next year [00:52] Action: macavity cant resiste [00:52] dive: still using 12.2 but I fear the moment I have to install K3b (still exists in KDE4?) while using fluxbox when 13 is out [00:52] nope.. but i am a member of the free software foundation, and there the email stops working if you dont pay [00:53] damn [00:53] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:53] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:53] Badis: however, the simple nature of the slackware package format makes it exceptionally easy to roll your own.. that way you dont have to polute the system with "make install" [00:53] harmattan, yeah I know - there are some alternatives like xfburn and graveman you might want to look at, but they aren't quite as advanced as k3b [00:53] O_O [00:54] hasnt k3b been fixed so it will compile against kde 4? [00:54] harmattan, I have some apps that still need kde :/ [00:54] and run without compate? [00:54] *compat [00:54] harmattan, but you only usually need install kdebase and kdelibs to get them working [00:55] dive: maybe it's time to (re)learn more command line alternatives :-) [00:55] harmattan, I did write some bash stuff and aliases to burn but it _is_ a lot easier to select a bunch of files in k3b [00:56] why is it such a big problem? is it like you dont have the 100MB to spare? [00:56] macavity, how did you become a member of the fsf? [00:56] eh? what to compile k3b? [00:56] hi, is there a way to control the speed of a firefox download? [00:57] and how did you know the email stop working after you stop paying? [00:57] macavity: k3b for kde4 is ass [00:57] dive: yes, definitely k3b was something of land mark for me [00:57] kd3 for kde3 with compat libs is the way to go [00:57] er.. k3b [00:58] well the only thing I could find that graveman/xfburn didn't do that k3b could is create bootable discs [00:58] Dominian: ok.. i havent used it yet [00:59] macavity: it sucks.. [00:59] I've tried it a few times... cd/dvd writing just hangs horribly [00:59] I finally started doing it from command line hehe [00:59] i can see that the one shipped with -current links to libkde3compat [00:59] aye [00:59] and you have an iso and learn the cli you can create bootable easily enough [00:59] pat changed that.. thank god [00:59] dive: I believe there is bashburn. not sure how well that will work. [00:59] libkde3support that is [00:59] dive: the cli isn't that bad [00:59] in fact I need to post my stuff on my wiki [01:00] BP{k}, yeah I did try bashburn but I ended up making my own scripts [01:00] Dominian: and update your mailserver howto? :P [01:00] BP{k}, at least for burning audio [01:00] ewww you paid $500 a year to be a fsf member???! [01:00] BP{k}: ha..It is "updated" somewhat. [01:00] missyjane: https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf? [01:00] BP{k}: instead of making updates to the existing one.. probably going to make a "mailserver 2.0" entry [01:00] i know i saw [01:00] >< damnit [01:02] :P [01:02] you can pay $1 a year if you want to :P [01:02] and have it split in 12 monthly installments lulz [01:03] pay what $1 a year? [01:03] missyjane: the FSF [01:03] eh? [01:03] macavity, eh? [01:03] thats ondation, and i get nothing in return for doing it :| [01:03] missyjane: what do you "need" in return? [01:03] sigounery weaver just took most of her clothes [01:03] zed_DX (n=kvirc@189.164.122.249) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [01:03] took off* [01:03] Tell her to put them back on. [01:03] stig, alien? [01:04] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [01:04] dive: yep :) [01:04] When Eliza Dushku starts taking hers off, call me. [01:04] great film [01:04] rworkman: i have here in the fridge now [01:04] dive: '79 thank god. she's not a sigh in aliens and onwards [01:04] rworkman, if she strips, we run [01:04] rworkman: indeed. :) [01:04] dive: sight* [01:04] rworkman: do you want me to call her when she is cold enough to make it really kinky? :P [01:04] yeah [01:04] she's not a sight, period [01:04] Dominian, a membership card or badge and a rreally permanent email address :p [01:04] heh [01:04] macavity: hehehe [01:05] Action: Dominian can give perm email accounts.. for as long as I can pay for my linode :P [01:05] slackadelic.com/noobfarm.org email accounts [01:05] bah no [01:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:05] heh [01:05] noobfarm hates me [01:05] I'm nice and relaxed right now though. :-) [01:06] missyjane: just expect that people will make a series of assumptions about you if your email address ends in @member.fsf.org [01:06] I'm splitting a dreamhost account with a few friends [01:06] yeah [01:06] Makenna had a long day, so she went to sleep early tonight. I like when she does that :D [01:06] if it ends in noobfarm.org I mean.. come on [01:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:06] :) [01:06] macavity, like what? [01:06] it's pretty good really, since none of us are hosting anything giant [01:06] rworkman: the trick is.. staying asleep [01:06] macavity, i was meaning @linux.com [01:06] Dominian: heh, yeah :) [01:06] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:06] missyjane: ah, well that is another story [01:06] for about 20bucks a year each we have hosting, php, mysql, etc [01:06] i just dont want to pay $99 for the rest of my life to use @linux.com >< [01:06] rworkman: my daughter was laying at my feet on our recliner.. I was in the recliner.. we were watching spongebob.. I didn't realize but she fell asleep leaning up against me hehe [01:06] macavity: I met FreeDeb (FSF) at the SE LinuxFest - she's cool. [01:07] anyone here going to defcon? [01:07] bet rworkman had a thing for her [01:07] :D [01:07] nah [01:07] Action: nooper <3 vimdiff [01:07] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [01:07] juice: where is it? [01:07] rworkman: i have unfortunately not ever had the pleasure of going to any of these summits [01:07] las vegas [01:08] ooh, I wish. [01:08] macavity: someday maybe. [01:08] this weekend [01:08] rworkman: i turned green with envy when i saw that picture of crew and patrick :P [01:09] juice: urm no way I'll pull that off. "Honey, I'm going to Vegas this weekend." "The HELL you are." [01:09] Adam Savage will be speaking [01:09] lol [01:09] macavity: :D [01:09] Maybe if I had asked her a half-hour ago... :D [01:09] rworkman, you watch the Hangover? [01:09] rworkman: could you like, uhm, deside on nothern europe next time pls kkthxbai? [01:09] rworkman: oh yes.. $wife would pull out the whip and start crackin' [01:10] juice: no, but I've heard it's good. [01:10] D: [01:10] just dont get wives [01:10] rworkman, well if you and the wife haven't then maybe you could pull it off still [01:10] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:10] lol [01:10] just make sure she is happy and in lala land when you ask her :P [01:11] Dominian: too many guns too close to the bed. I'd have to hit the afterglow just right ;_)_ [01:11] Alien is finished. time for star trek the search for spock [01:11] hmm darn linuxfest isn't until aug 10th [01:11] rworkman: lol [01:11] I was going to say you could say your going to san fran if it was the same time [01:11] lol [01:11] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:12] bedtime, good night [01:12] nn [01:12] night [01:12] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [01:12] or just say its a hacker convetion and the chance of meeting girls is equal to none? no lies [01:12] (yes i know there's girls there) [01:13] asdfe (n=asdfe@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [01:13] stig, there are but it is true [01:13] 10,000 hackers 100 girls [01:13] juice: she'd know I was lying :) [01:13] you better have good game :) [01:13] hi - a question about slax (I know, this is #slackware - but I'd like to think it's a fairly general question and you guys won't mind it too much): [01:14] or just got to the strip [01:14] Action: Dominian minds [01:14] juice: but at the convensions the ratio is even lower [01:14] and meet women galore [01:14] juice: ... since they know the 10000 will be all over them.. all at once ;-) [01:14] I am on Slax LIVE disc right now, I just hooked up the ext. hdd, but I can't seem to put stuff there.. my understanding of mount is quite shallow - can anyone please tell me what need I do to write stuff to it? [01:14] Action: rworkman wants to go to Brazil again. Plenty of female Slackers :) [01:14] macavity, I've been to defcon twice before [01:14] nice [01:14] there is a fair amount of girls [01:14] asdfe: dmesg should show you what dev entry it is [01:14] but still low compared to the amount of attendies [01:15] asdfe: why dont you ask the Slax people? [01:15] Dominian: it's sdc.. I already know that, I have read-access to it, but not write-access [01:15] asdfe: You have to remount it as rw [01:15] macavity: because the slax channel is pretty much "non-existent" [01:16] Action: macavity gets a thought about ntfs ws ntfs-3g [01:16] *vs [01:16] Dominian: I'm somewhat of a noobie, can you please tell me really breifly how I do that? :\ [01:16] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.246.static.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:16] well is it sdc1 sdc2? [01:17] http://pastebin.com/m40c79c38 <-- /etc/fstab [01:17] 'ro' [01:18] asdfe: do you need write to it? [01:18] Dominian: I'm on the LIVE disc right now -- I want to put the things on the hdd (sda I think) to it [the ext. hdd] [01:18] you wan tto copy sda to sdc? [01:19] Dominian: not all of it, just a few files [01:19] a) that is a fucked up partition scheme and b) he needs ntfs-3g and not ntfs if he wants write support.. [01:19] yeah [01:19] what macavity said [01:19] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] hrm.. should I perhaps try a different LIVE disc? [01:19] if yes, can you suggest one? [01:20] this is typical linux :D [01:20] asdfe: which one of the four partitions do you want to write to? [01:20] Well Slax is one of hebest out ther [01:20] okay i have eth0 configured and turned on, i can reach my router and modem but not the internet [01:20] you can try knoppix if you want, but I'm pretty sure Slax does ntfs-3g [01:20] Chakravanti: is there anything listed in /etc/resolv.conf? [01:21] Dominian: you cant call it a good LiveCD if it uses ntfs over ntfs-3g imho [01:21] macavity: sdc1 [01:21] domain example.org [01:21] the same way that linux is stupid for not having just something called 'ntfs' which handles it all [01:21] asdfe: umount /mnt/sdc1 [01:21] macavity: I'm pretty sure slax uses ntfs3g if you tell it too [01:21] dont give me all the specific examples or reasons why. its stupid [01:22] new slax version has ntfs-3g [01:22] Chakravanti: you need to have some nameserver entries [01:22] rl [01:22] Chakravanti: Did you do a static IP on eth0 or dhcp? [01:22] asdfe: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc1 [01:22] dhcp [01:22] eh [01:22] Chakravanti: so your router isn't giving you nameservers in dhcp? [01:22] juice: ah, that must be it. the slax I'm on I burned almost a year or two ago I think [01:22] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:22] http://www.slax.org/modules.php?action=detail&id=1236 [01:22] where would i find it? [01:22] asdfe: aha.. that's the problem [01:22] asdfe: if that craps out saying "unknown filessytem type ntfs-3g" you are shit out of luck... [01:22] Chakravanti: what kind of router do you have? [01:23] This module requires: [01:23] Slax Core 6.1.1 [01:23] macavity: it didn't give an error. I'll try copy the file now and let you know how i tworks out [01:23] which is the newest released [01:23] linksys [01:23] ok.. it appears that he has ntfs-3g on there.. [01:23] probably [01:23] Chakravanti: linksys, by default, issues dns with DHCP [01:24] Chakravanti: I'm guessing the router's ip is 192.168.1.1.. add into that resolv.conf just below the "search" entry: nameserver 192.168.1.1 [01:24] then try again [01:24] macavity: you're awesome. :) [01:24] it worked, thanks. [01:24] Ya know.. its hard watching tv and seeing a gorgeous woman.. that has a lazy eye... [01:24] asdfe: you could just as well have asked in #gentoo ;-P [01:24] okay sounds good i'll try that [01:24] thanks [01:25] asdfe: it was pure guesswork on my count, as i have no idea what slax is, how it was made, and what kind of things it might do on its own accord [01:25] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] hmm [01:26] really? I would have thought that slax would be the popular live distro among the slackware crowd.. since it is slackware-based (at least, I think it is) [01:26] okay this is interesting my modem is 192.168.2.1 and my router is 192.168.1.1 [01:26] asdfe: here is nickle: SuSE is slackware based... [01:26] ubuntu has the nameserver as 192.168.2.1 [01:26] whoever mentioned vimdiff, i just tried it out [01:26] naw, slack users like ubuntu livecds [01:26] good stuff [01:26] i'm guess i should go with that? [01:26] macavity, was [01:26] asdfe: and trust me, i have NO idea what to do with a suse box :P [01:27] SuSE was slackware based [01:27] I like slackware disc1 all the live cd you need [01:27] it isn't anymore [01:27] juice: exactly [01:27] superGear: neither is Slax.. they forked off at some point, and now they are their own thing [01:27] superGear: ... which is my entire point [01:27] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-17.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:27] and I am serious I've been using a "livecd" in those regards for years [01:28] what about zenwalk and Vectorlinux? [01:28] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:28] vectorlinux is a joke [01:28] cause when I use it is for correcting screw ups [01:28] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:28] juice: you mean you ctr+alt+f2 at the beginning of the installation procedure and use that shell? [01:28] no I use f1 [01:29] it just dumps you in a shell as it is [01:29] juice: hm okay. I wish I could do that - but I'm a pretty visual person, I always prefer an interface for most tasks (like copying&pasting files) [01:29] macavity, Vectorlinux is still slackware-based tho [01:29] so is zenwalk [01:29] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] asdfe, when I say livecd I am using it for corrections not running the distro [01:30] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] as in running X [01:30] he wants a slackware live cd [01:30] Badis (n=IceChat7@c83-255-102-189.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [01:30] superGear: humans forked off another kind of primate too... that doesnt justify making assumptions about humans picking flees off eachother though [01:30] which doesn't exist does it? [01:31] closest would be a slackware-based distro like zenwalk or vector [01:31] what are flees [01:31] hard drives are cheap now days and fast why run the os from cd :P [01:31] no idea [01:32] i don't have any livecds [01:32] juice: no one does I think, we all use it for when something dies and we need to recover/troubleshoot/etc. [01:32] asdfe, exactly then the slackware disc 1 works [01:32] superGear: the problem is that newbies think they can come to slackware people with their problems when $DISTRO says "we are slackware based" [01:32] you just don't get your pretty gui you want [01:32] i think livecds are shit even just for trying out something. the impressions wont be fair [01:32] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] its ok for recovery of course [01:33] also fair [01:33] they run doggy [01:33] macavity, So maybe there shouldn't be any slackware-based distros [01:33] juice: just out of curiosity, what would be your typical recovery tools? [01:33] livecds are also ok if you never burn them and just mount the iso in a virtual machine [01:33] rsync? [01:33] superGear: so maybe they should just shut up about what their starting point was.. it doesnt matter that it was slackware [01:34] dd or ddrescue [01:34] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:34] or cp [01:34] and restore [01:34] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] .. or just fix the system and keep running :P [01:34] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] chroot [01:34] and rsync yeah [01:34] yup [01:34] superGear, macavity we should be honored that distributions came from Slackware [01:35] rm -rf [01:35] it's a great starting point [01:35] rm -rf /stig [01:35] awesome [01:35] slackers + warez = slackware ? [01:35] Nick change: dkwhit -> Chakravanti [01:35] tajlero_, no [01:35] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] I wonder how many users #debian gets with ubuntu problems [01:35] but since your doing backups anyways there should be no need for a livecd recovery :) [01:35] kind of like warez + house = warehouse [01:36] lol [01:36] hehehe [01:36] internet works in slackware, W00t! lol [01:36] wares, not warez [01:36] for the lolz [01:36] wah-rez [01:36] Chakravanti, since when? [01:36] ware not wares [01:36] is it a new feature? [01:36] :P [01:36] for me...since like 5 minutes ago [01:36] TwinReverb: being "slackware based" i not a sign of quality.. if i made a "BMW base car" i can tell you it would be worth shit.. as i have no clue what so ever about engines, and my idea of a minute mechanical adjustment tool is a sledge hammer [01:37] It's been a new feature since at least 12.1 [01:37] debian says that they don't accept helping others from other distros except for debian [01:37] I think 12.0 [01:37] lol [01:37] macavity, it is a sign of quality for a starting point [01:37] because they are not the same as debian [01:37] i've been working with getting slackware started for the first time for the last 12 hours now [01:37] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:37] TwinReverb: the only thing "slackware based" shows is: the slackware system is not so freaking dense that a newbee cant figure out how to alter the packages [01:37] it doesn't mean the distribution is stable now, but it means it at least had a stable starting point [01:37] ouch [01:37] Chakravanti: what was the issue? [01:37] Chakravanti: did my suggestion help? [01:37] SuSE started as a fork of Slackware. [01:38] Motoko-chan: and look what kind of a clusterfuck it is now [01:38] first i was fighting with grub, which took a while and had some other things i was workign on in that time [01:38] Motoko-chan, repeat what macavity said already :P [01:38] macavity, that fails however when those distributions have development teams, not single individuals like Slackware [01:38] TwinReverb: EXACTLY [01:38] then it's just been a matter of fixing a few minor issues on network configuration [01:38] http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence [01:38] iirc mandrake started as "based on Slackware" or at least so i was told [01:38] and yes Dominian, it did work [01:38] Chakravanti: awesome [01:39] eh.. I don't think mandrake was ever slackware based was it? [01:39] Mandrake was redhat based [01:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:39] I'm pretty sure they were redhat from the get go [01:39] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [01:39] zenwalk [01:39] so everyone is running 1 of 13 flavors :P [01:39] zencrap [01:39] but still these are linux distributions [01:39] zenwalk is slackware based [01:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [01:39] yes it is [01:39] zenwalk is crap [01:39] okay seriously wtf [01:39] TwinReverb: the whole point is exactly that: some bonehead fucks up slackware, and effectively creates trouble for us by writing "look it is good and shiny because i made it out of slackware, now please, go bug the slackware people if I happen to have broken it, for they are wise and tollerant people who will bear with my ignorance" [01:39] Dominian, same type krap that vista is? or different kind? [01:40] calling zenwalk crap is like saying slackware is crap [01:40] now to attempt to get sound working -/ [01:40] old linux distro site http://www.bearops.com/ [01:40] TwinReverb: different kind [01:40] smoke first [01:40] Chakravanti: easy [01:40] macavity, what distribution are you referring to though? slax? [01:40] a link on the site [01:40] TwinReverb: aka "based on slackware" on a big sticker on the home page [01:40] Chakravanti: as root: alsamixer [01:40] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] distro lol [01:40] TwinReverb: et al [01:40] i hate the phenomena [01:40] Meet Gay Chubby Bears [01:40] Mandrake forked from RedHat because RH wouldn't allow KDE in [01:40] macavity, so what? it is based on slackware [01:40] Chakravanti: up all the volumes.. use Esc to quit.. then: alsactl store [01:40] tell me where that crap comes from [01:40] they never say "go pester slackware users" [01:41] besides which, we have a reputation of knowing how to fix some things that others don't [01:41] TwinReverb: i dont care if it was based on the very gospel itself.. if they broke it it pisses me off that they advertise it in a way that makes people come here [01:41] TwinReverb, mostly because we know the internals better [01:41] TwinReverb: they *could* have stuck the "oh, year, we based this of slackware" in the credits file somewhere [01:42] macavity, they came here for help, and if you are rude to them you will give their distribution another reputation: that slackware is based not only on stability but also based on rudeness [01:42] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] i remember the reputation debian gave me when they banned me for claiming that debian installed X automatically for me [01:42] macavity: they don't advertise as being slackware-based very prominently, my knowing that was probably to my extensive snooping around (in wikipedia and whatnot). anyway, I'm sorry that you minded this, I just thought it would have been sensical to come here. [01:42] rater that than having to explain a million times that "sorry dude.. just because it was once slackware does not mean we can magically guess what the maintainers did to it" [01:42] haw got banned from debian [01:43] so if you want to reflect good on Slackware, don't be rude to people [01:43] What is Slackware-based? [01:43] asdfe: this wasnt directed at you.. this was the general thingie about slackware deriatives [01:43] you can have the best distribution in the world but if you can't talk to the users (i.e. that "community" factor Linux flogs) what good is it? [01:43] Motoko-chan, www.distrowatch.com [01:43] asdfe: at least you had the sense to *tell* me you were on slax [01:43] TwinReverb: openBSD is a great distro.. however, the userbase are a bunch of assholes.. doesn' tmake the distro any worse [01:44] why should they? we could be nice and help people [01:44] Motoko-chan, http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence [01:44] Dominian, but it makes the sense of community lacking [01:44] nah [01:44] asdfe: i spent two fucking hours helping a user who had installed slax on his harddisk debugging why it acted up... THEN he told me [01:44] TDR is an ass. [01:44] You run into that in any community with any OS [01:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:44] it depends on the user if this is enough to not like the distro because some people like Linux for the community [01:44] macavity: oh, then I agree. Because I used to idle here a few months ago - and on a number of occassions I saw people with Backtrack coming here with specific questions about utilities in backtrack, THAT is pretty senseless. [01:45] what BSD is #1? [01:45] asdfe: that has probably colored my view a little on forks :P [01:45] it isn't OpenBSD :P [01:45] superGear: none are really #1 [01:45] Based on Slackware Linux: 28 Distributions [01:45] FreeBSD is the most highly used [01:45] then netbsd/openbsd [01:45] I rather like netbsd [01:45] granted freebsd does have some old crusty unix type people in their irc channel [01:45] and FreeBSD users tend to be more friendlier than Open [01:45] asdfe: exactly.. that is why i would wish they would hide that information *seriously* from end users [01:45] but I LOVE the arguments between the developer of grsecurity and the developer of openBSD.. classic [01:45] Motoko-chan: suse, for example, is/was a 'slackware based' distro [01:46] but they built a wonderful manual for a reason: so people wouldn't need to ask questions [01:46] was [01:46] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] which is why maybe we should be helping out more with the slack book [01:46] FreeBSD has the biggest share, NetBSD supports the most devices, and OpenBSD has the biggest asshole maintainer [01:46] i love reading about distro arguments [01:46] SuSE is no longer based on sackware [01:46] if Alan_Hicks were around to let us 8-) [01:46] freebsd is the best [01:46] hasn't been for many many years [01:46] Motoko-chan++ [01:46] superGear, it can still be traced that way [01:47] macavity: yep, I agree. at least recent versions of backtrack aren't slackware-based, less headaches for the helping-volunteers here ;) [01:47] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:47] superGear, agreed; but if i recall correctly, it started as a slackware-based project [01:47] What is Backtrack using now? [01:47] stig-mac:~ stig$ uname [01:47] Darwin [01:47] asdfe: schweeet! :-) [01:47] Motoko-chan: Debian, I think [01:47] hey if someone needs help, i'm helping them [01:47] Ah, fun. [01:47] unfortunately im stuck using debian for xen [01:47] they may come away wishing they were a Slackware user [01:47] hrm.. I still think backtrack is slackware.. [01:47] hence they may come her [01:47] e [01:47] I started on VMS [01:47] TwinReverb, have you had any problems yet with rworkmans packages? My desktop just locked up [01:47] Action: asdfe checks [01:47] Which isn't UNIX. [01:47] And don't be saying it is to any hard-core VMS user. They'll cut you up. [01:48] Dominian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack - "BackTrack 4 Beta was released on February 11, 2009, with the biggest change being the move to Debian.[5]" [01:48] hiptobecubic, nope none yet [01:48] ah [01:48] hiptobecubic, using xorg.conf ? what card? [01:48] I can't stand debian [01:48] hiptobecubic, what were you doing when it locked up? [01:48] Dominian: why not? [01:48] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [01:48] Motoko-chan: VMS.. oh my god [01:48] Debian gets them backtrack users [01:48] asdfe: Debian hacks things in a way that are just unholy [01:48] adjust settings in xscreensaver to make the monitor sleep [01:48] nice [01:48] What? VMS is nice and solid. [01:48] Motoko-chan: yes [01:49] some of debians hacks are good [01:49] it is.. however its a bear at times too [01:49] hiptobecubic: did you re-install the nvidia drivers after you installed rworkmans pakcages? [01:49] Dominian: any particular examples? [01:49] TwinReverb: like what? [01:49] hiptobecubic: can you still ssh in? [01:49] One word on Debian: OpenSSL [01:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:49] iirc 12.2 slackware or 12.1 included a patch for Xfce that came from either debian or gentoo, forgot which [01:49] asdfe: they hack the crap out of postfix to use /etc/mailname which breaks shit with certain setups [01:49] and macavity's question is relevant too [01:49] to fix a memory hole that hadn't made it to upstream yet (but did, a copy of that patch) [01:49] bbl [01:49] rworkman, macavity it is intel based, not nvidia. it wasn't on the network so no ssh [01:49] rworkman: very.. otherwise his GL.so got over written... that *might* just piss his GPU off ;-) [01:50] another rant about ubuntu why doesn't it have a freaking /etc/inittab [01:50] because it is another distro [01:50] ah [01:50] Chakravanti (n=root@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] hiptobecubic: that is the 915 one? [01:50] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070611]" [01:51] give me a second and i'll tell you what it's using. [01:51] so if you're here to help, help. if they say they're not using slackware, you can remind them that we're not here to support $DISTRO, and say things in a nice way [01:51] it's intel and it starts with a 'b' [01:51] then if you still want to help them, do so, but don't knock someone who wants to [01:51] TwinReverb: Well, when you can tell me what to do.. I'l listen.. until then.. I'll react the way I want [01:51] by helping others you do the most good for the Linux community you can do apart from maybe hacking Microsoft and bringing them down 8-) [01:52] Dominian, i might remind you of a certain person that helped this channel out a lot but due to how much rudeness he was constantly spouting was banned [01:52] lol [01:52] not that i am threatening you, just don't confuse being helpful with being allowed to be rude also [01:52] Ubuntu uses a different init mechanism [01:52] TwinReverb: Whatever [01:52] i mean, why help out if you are only here to be rude? isn't that sort of silly? [01:52] Kindness can be taken as rudeness [01:52] that's like being anti-social but then getting a services job [01:52] TwinReverb: whooo? just curious [01:52] just because your a dick with a smile doesn't mean you're not a dick. [01:52] asdfe, it's none of your business [01:53] hiptobecubic: lspci | grep VGA [01:53] TwinReverb, you're being rude ;P [01:53] juice, http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/125977 [01:53] superGear++ [01:53] Chakravanti (n=root@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:53] superGear, sorry 8-P [01:53] asdfe: a guy named Dagmar [01:53] macavity, booting... [01:53] hiptobecubic: got it [01:54] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] lol dagmar. i too have seen him do his thing [01:54] hiptobecubic: but it is the P4 we were discussing just before, right? [01:54] yes [01:54] hm, okay. I just to idle here a few months ago, and I see nullboy isn't here atm, I remember him being very helpful [01:54] ok, that is an Intel915 [01:54] hiptobecubic: tell me when you get onto the desktop [01:54] nullboy is nice [01:54] hiptobecubic: do you use KDE on that? [01:54] nullboy was helpful [01:54] he helped me get wireless working some years ago [01:54] he was a nice kid [01:54] asdfe, don't bother guessing, it was actually before your time [01:54] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [01:54] -exec -o lspci | grep -i vga [01:54] stig: you're supposed to be mute! [01:55] why do you speak of nullboy in past tense?!? [01:55] rats [01:55] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) [01:55] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:55] there we go [01:55] wow [01:55] macavity, no, it's xfce [01:55] fuck.. i have so many people's gpus in my head that i am starting to mix it all up [01:55] ok, 845 [01:55] it's an oldie :) i think i have 8mb of shared mem or something [01:56] can you try turning on composite? [01:56] it's on [01:56] on? i thought usually if you had problems you wanted to turn compositing off ... [01:56] I know Dagmar outside of irc and he is very helpful but if your being stupid he will let you know :) [01:56] did it ever lock up like that before you installed rworkman's packages? [01:56] TwinReverb, it was on before i just booted back up. i'll see if it does it again [01:56] glxgears looks garbled [01:57] root (n=root@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] nice [01:57] hmnm sounds like how default 13.0-rc1 was before rworkman's packages [01:57] macavity, kind of.... i could never get it to load X with the intel drivers before at all [01:57] with compositing [01:57] so maybe shut off compositing? [01:57] it would just die and panic [01:57] hiptobecubic^: ok, so it is an improvement? [01:57] Nick change: root -> Guest23461 [01:57] macavity, absolutely [01:57] Nick change: Guest23461 -> chakravanti [01:57] juice: yeah very direct...I liked him myself [01:57] chakravanti: you should not be IRCing as root [01:58] chopp, I also don't have a problem him. But I also met him in person before IRC [01:58] im still working on setting up users [01:58] hiptobecubic^: hrm, did you install the 2.8.0 intel driver too? [01:58] chakravanti: adduser ;-) [01:59] rworkman: dump README in the repo about that one? [01:59] how do i give sudoer permissions to the new user? [01:59] hiptobecubic^: if so, then downgrade it back to 2.7.1 -- I guess I should remove that from the available options. 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[02:02] i'll let you two know if it reverts back to not loading at all and locking up with 2.7.1 [02:02] night all [02:02] wow [02:02] ah [02:02] Dominian, i don't see any pigs flying outside right now... [02:02] good night [02:02] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Dominian: he's had his own show for a few months now. [02:03] fire|bird, what's it about? [02:04] politics [02:04] TwinReverb: It's on FOX News, similar to the other various shows they have on, politics/whatever is news worthy. [02:05] how do i set up sudo on slackware? [02:05] exbio (n=ada@189.178.135.119) joined ##slackware. [02:05] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Success [02:06] chakravanti: you read the sudoers manpage [02:06] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] deamon3 (n=deamon3@201.229.147.204) joined ##slackware. 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[02:12] well i am actually a little worried [02:12] he's probably just enjoying a summer vacation somewhere [02:12] macavity: no need to be...I really can't say more. [02:12] Action: edman007 checks logs for hard numbers [02:12] macavity: he had this thing for a girl. asked her out on a date and got flat out rejected iirc. He dissapeared shortly after that. [02:13] ok, thanks :-) [02:13] chopp: if you communicate with him, please send my regards [02:13] as an intj, stuff like that doesnt make sense to me [02:13] im not being insesitive, i just cant fathom it [02:13] BP{k}, i thought you know, her boyfriend saw him...he met a crow bar, and now he is visiting lots of pretty nurses [02:14] macavity: will do :) [02:14] stig: i have "lived" here for quite a while [02:14] chopp: same from me. [02:14] macavity: what do you mean? [02:14] stig: when i "disapeared" for a while, people started sending me mails to check in on me [02:14] BP{k}: sure thing [02:15] stig: meh, it wouldn't make sense to me for use a nickname like you do. [02:15] chakravanti (n=root@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [02:15] macavity: i just dont get why a girl-rejection would lead to not being on IRC. how are the two connected? i dont understand it [02:15] ah, that [02:15] BP{k}: well my rl name is stig, so to me it makes sense [02:16] well.. if he was dead serious about it.. then well.. he might want to meditate in the mountains for a while [02:16] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] human behaviour has always eluded me [02:16] nullboy wasnt, as far as i know, your averge skirt chaser [02:16] Apr 29 20:19:07 i must look like some psycho or something [02:16] Apr 29 20:19:18 god damn this shit fuck [02:16] Apr 29 20:19:19 <-- nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) has left ##slackware ("-") [02:16] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:17] stig: ah, I thought you based it on the white clad racing driver on the beeb ;) [02:17] edman007: geez.. i was there! [02:17] BP{k}: hehe. yeah people like to connect my name to the stig. especially as i live in wales now [02:17] im from norway [02:17] thats the last i have....i've been online pretty much constantly, though i missed 1 week [02:17] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Client Quit [02:17] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] vinegaroon (n=sam@60-234-248-40.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:18] chopp: PM? [02:18] macavity: sure [02:18] stil: but not living there right now :) [02:18] was that for me? [02:19] stig: yeah, sorry, my typing skills start to delude me after 07:19am ;) [02:19] hey we're on the same timezone at least [02:19] have you not gone to bed yet or did you just get up? [02:19] not gone yet. stig, you down south in cardiff? [02:19] or "near"? [02:20] stig: odd.. it is only 08:20 here in denmark :P [02:20] near cardiff [02:20] manchester here. [02:20] ok [02:20] i hate it here though [02:20] im only here for my education then im fucking off back to norway [02:20] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:20] but cardif is the center of the universe! [02:20] its the center of shit [02:20] andrew_46 (n=andrew@C-61-68-125-47.hay.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:20] (well according to torchwood) [02:20] i have a friend in manchester [02:21] a friend from world of warcraft [02:21] dont know where im going with this [02:21] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) left ##slackware. [02:21] stig: he wouldn't by any chance be called Leroy? :P [02:21] hehe [02:21] we call him chip [02:22] hmm, is services down? [02:22] edman007: yes I think so [02:22] i think that last split took out nickserv... [02:23] quick, to the bat cave [02:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [02:25] BP{k}: anyways on the nick issue. i used to call myself snirks or snorks but then i grew lazy (up?) and just cba, so im stig [02:25] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] stig: aah. you are aware of "The Stig"? [02:25] like i make my users called stig, so when i start irssi my nick will already be stig off the bat [02:25] yeah i am [02:25] i used to call myself "kidcat".. then my english became better :P [02:25] i've watched some top gear [02:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "..." [02:25] and i grew up :P [02:26] macavity: no you didn't ;) [02:26] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:26] hi kitcat [02:26] err kitkat [02:26] was in a pub here once and it got out to a table that my name was stig, so i got bought drinks and told to sit down etc [02:26] macavity, or was that trademarked? [02:26] BP{k}: i grew up enough to not want people to *litterally* think that i am a child :P [02:27] edman007: well i thought "kidcat" was a clever pun on that.. kind of like "Cereal Killer" :P [02:27] stig: well that is not really a bad thing ;) [02:27] dry contact lenses how-to. want to buy [02:27] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [02:27] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:27] sisto: /win 26 [02:28] stig: cat "1 table spoon of salt + 1 liter of water" > eyes [02:28] wth? [02:28] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] do you mean NaCl2 [02:28] yes [02:28] table salt [02:28] ok [02:28] it gives you about the right concentration [02:28] yeah im just fooling. i've tried it and it works there and then [02:29] then they get even dryer [02:29] you can buy lense drops at the pharmacy [02:29] i have some eyedrops that work in the same way. pure bliss there and then, then after some mins there really no difference [02:29] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] its basically saltwater with a tiny ammount of some kind of lotion [02:30] i havent figured out how to make the lotion part yet :P [02:30] babyjuice [02:30] you put a baby in the juice centrifuge? [02:30] and out comes babyjuice? [02:30] nah you masturbate into a jar [02:30] lol [02:30] no thx [02:30] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:34] the last year or so (basically since xmas) ive had this feeling of not wanting to go to bed [02:34] release day? for what? :o [02:34] its boring to go to bed [02:34] so i have a pretty much non-existant sleeping pattern [02:35] but i blame this on not having anything to do except work a bit on my msc project every day [02:35] but i do that at my own discretion [02:35] asdfe: Slackware[64] 13.0 [02:35] i dont have to be anywhere [02:35] macavity: Must be very soon now... [02:35] and that's the reason for it i think [02:36] im excited about testing wireless support in 13 [02:36] i should probably rephrase that [02:37] in 12.0 i had nullboy help me and it was a bitch [02:37] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:37] what the.. i cant find the "new new" version of wigglit's chat stats [02:37] macavity: stats2 [02:38] yessir! [02:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:38] stig: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [02:38] stig: see for yourself.. macavity never sleeps :P [02:38] kejen (n=brian@c-24-1-27-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Guest67158 (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:39] those stats are still fairly messed up [02:39] use nullboy as an example for that [02:39] i dont think so.. this is the average of 215 days :P [02:39] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.203) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-36.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] when nullboy was active he did, pretty much like me, *live* in there :P [02:40] ahh..missed that part. :P [02:40] so yes, those are probably representative of who said how much over the last 215 days :P [02:40] that i was out of the game for 4 months changed very little [02:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [02:41] but talking about people we havent seen for far too long... where is Old_Fogie now adays? [02:41] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:42] yeah I miss the old fart myself [02:42] andrew_46 (n=andrew@C-61-68-125-47.hay.connect.net.au) left ##slackware. [02:43] it is actually arlarming.. when i see "most active nicks by hours" it freaking DOES look like i never sleep [02:43] i am the only one being "up there" in all 4 blocks [02:44] well edman007, were waiting on your Old_Fogie log grep :P [02:44] both nullboy and Old_Fogie seem to sleep at roughly the same time.. as they disapear for an entire block [02:45] yeah they did keep about the same hours in here [02:45] stig: re, wireless, there has happened a *shitload* since 12.0 on that front [02:45] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:45] chopp: it looks like they live on each side of the US [02:45] yeah im interested to see if its just a matter of typing in my wpa key [02:46] or if i need to stress [02:46] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [02:46] what wifi card do you have? [02:46] ipw3945 [02:46] I'm waiting for ath5k/AP in 2.6.31 myself...then I can finally skid this wireless-testing kernel I've been using for ever it seems. [02:46] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:47] stig: that will work right off the bat for you [02:47] macavity: that they do :) [02:47] stig: no actions required, what so ever [02:47] asdfe (n=asdfe@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org" [02:48] that's nice [02:48] stig: actually that was the case already with 12.1 [02:48] tajlero_ (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:48] i guess there's multiple definitions of off the bat [02:48] chopp: oh, that will be nice! [02:48] what ever happened to oldude67? [02:49] nullboy was last seen 2 weeks according to nickserv [02:49] i know how to fix problems, but im talking about a tool in kde4 saying "type pw here to connect to $SID" :p [02:49] chopp, May 24 05:50:16 Oldway_Ogiefay, sleep! [02:49] May 24 05:50:29 nevar! [02:49] May 24 05:50:47 about 20 hrs [02:49] thats my definition of working easily [02:49] edman007: :) [02:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [02:49] i used archlinux a bit since sw 12.0 and driver issues are pretty much non-existant [02:49] so it's not technical problems [02:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:50] its just me being ultra lazy [02:50] stig: i havent played with setting up wicd yet, so i dont know [02:50] i know im all over the place and typing incoherently now but its 7.50 am [02:51] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] then slackware is probably not your best bet :P [02:51] chopp: are you running your own home-brew AP? [02:51] but i guess its what one must accept when using a distro with upstream packages versus something like ubuntu where great care is taken to write scripts and whatnot to take care of the little things like asking me if i want to connect to so and so network. and i do accept it [02:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:52] macavity: yes I am. [02:52] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:54] over the course of the last 5 years or so ive tried perhaps all main large distros there are, and slackware is the one that suits me best and so it is a choice i am making and accepting that some assembly required [02:54] well whatever [02:54] i install it and its out of my way once its set up [02:55] it's not taking great care.. its called holding your hand [02:55] i use slackware because it is the distro that most effectively manages to not step on my toes [02:55] thats what ubuntu tries to do [02:55] edman007: and the last time I saw Old_Fogie was after that. He left after a misunderstanding here one morning, and hasn't been back since that I know of. [02:55] yeah macavity [02:55] and whatever Shrp_ [02:55] chopp: i have actually been playing with the thought... [02:56] :) [02:57] macavity: I got real sick of playing with openwrt/dd-wrt and such, and figured it was about time slack ran my AP :P....and firewall/router [02:57] macavity: when i found and tried archlinux i thought i had finally found the distro of my choicex [02:58] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-71-154-146-225.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] but it managed to shit on me and so i thought fuck it im gonna have a zero tolerance for this [02:58] so thats why i use slackware. where everything that happens is my fault [02:58] stig: i am glad Arch exists [02:59] yay i did my first slackbuild > install for 10.2. from a 12.1 slackbuild..awesome. now where do i put the *.tgz? lol. online jus says to move it. [02:59] stig: a) i can point people to it who *insist* on having some kind of apt-get crap, and b) after Arch became popular we dont have as manu update freaks and their silly ricer packages round :P [02:59] wd_: installpkg packagename.tgz [03:00] macavity: lol [03:00] wd_: but why the *hell* do you bother with slackware 10.2? [03:00] macavity: i wanted slackware with a central package repocitory and a package manager other than slakpg or rsync so i thought i had struck gold with archlinux [03:01] stig: slackpkg and sbopkg combined makes most the "yo momma" jokes seem rather pale [03:01] macavity: yes i installed it.. now i need to mv the tgz or leave it in /tmp.. online says once it's installed now to move it for safekeeping. [03:01] wd_: you can also burn it to a DVD and lock it up in your safe if you want [03:02] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] wd_: frankly it doesnt matter.. what do you do with the setup.exe in windows when you are done installing the application? [03:02] wd_: whenever i make a package i just move it to /usr/src/. some people may disagree but whatever, its just a directory [03:02] wd_: from tmp to usr src [03:03] in these connected days i just wipe tha package [03:03] odds are that if i need to do something with it again, there will be a new version available anyhow [03:03] yeah the important thing is to stick to a protocol [03:03] either pick a directory and use that directory, or delete them, or burn them out on cds [03:04] or encrypt them and shred them :P [03:04] maybe even dd them to /dev/null [03:05] lol you funny. ok [03:05] redirect your mouse device through the file [03:05] wd_: move the newly created package from /temp to somewhere, and then installpkg [03:05] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:06] after its installed, you can delete it [03:06] but its also ok to keep it [03:06] macavity: and to answer your question about y 10.2.. i'm testing slackware and learning on a toshiba 400cs laptop/75mhz pentium/2g hd/40meg ram. i'm the guy who got the "applause" for wiping his gentoo boxes clean. [03:06] stig: ok [03:07] wd_: actually if you're just going to install and delete it, skip moving it from temp :p [03:07] macavity: i'm learning how not to waste another 8 years with USE flags.. and hours of emerging. lol [03:07] loool gentoo [03:08] i remember doing stage 1 installs for a whole weekend [03:08] stig: lol [03:08] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:08] omg really [03:08] i was a control freak [03:08] i had to have full control over each step [03:08] and when i thought i had messed up the system a bit on some step, i reinstalled [03:08] i did learn stage 1 though [03:09] now i dont remember it at all. its 4 years ago [03:09] stig: yeah me too. i'm pissed at how this damn 2.4.31 kernel in 10.2 is zipping on this little lappy.. now i put 10.2 on p3 500mhz box with kde and fluxbox and this is insanely fast..i'm pissed. damn you slackware.lol [03:10] there wasn't much to stage 1, really. It was all wrapped up in the bootstrap and emewrge system stages. [03:10] back then i wouldnt know what you're trying to say even, LSD` [03:10] i jisut wanted the max experience haha [03:11] stig: it's jus crying to go on my big boxes and dual cores.. i just finished dl'ing 12.2 all 3 iso's ..so i'm ready to get back to a modern kernel.. just testing out things. [03:11] i even printed the whole gentoo install manual at my military base' expense [03:11] 130 pages or so [03:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] wd_: gentoo and 75MHz is about the funniest joke i have heard to date :P [03:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] stig: me also, now i have 2006 and 2008 binded at kinkos..i now have a slackware 3 ring binder 4 inches..10.2 and 12. + slack essentials.. man i'm ready guys. [03:12] wd_: but yes, 10.2 is probably the last thing you want to attempt to run on that thing [03:12] lol [03:12] wd_: haha nice [03:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] macavity: someone was crazy enough to install it on a 486 at one point :P [03:13] wd_: i actually had those 130 pages bound by a fellow soldier at another part of the marine base [03:13] he had access to a book binder [03:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [03:13] macavity: no, i have slack on this lappy and it's zooming wouldn't dare put gentoo on it for some reason it won't take 2.6 kernel..so 10.2 is a must. [03:13] zipping and zooming. im assuming you mean stuff is fast? [03:13] stig: yes [03:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] Slowest machine I ever ran Gentoo on though was a 300MHz (66MHz FSB too!) Pentium II with 64MB RAM [03:14] LSD`: i didnt know you were a massocist :P [03:15] stig: i had debian sarge on it and it crawled..damn depends for everything..so i'm learning slack with 10.2 on the lap, now p3 box..once i get ddclient configd i'll set up 12.2 and officially be a slacker. lol [03:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:15] i have a p3 800mhz 128mb ram machine waiting for me until im done with education in october [03:15] LSD`: 2.4 kernel? [03:15] need a job for it [03:15] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "." [03:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [03:15] i was thinking honeyd on it [03:15] but then i think not [03:16] Action: macavity hugs his T7400 + 2GB RAM [03:16] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [03:16] wd_: I can't remember if I ever ran a 2.4 kernel on that machine [03:16] LSD`: ok [03:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] how many mhz is that, macavity ? [03:17] i ran LFS on my dual celleron II 400@600 [03:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] stig: 2.16GHz, 4MB L2 667FSB [03:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] ok [03:18] what is 2.4ghz core2duo with 1067mhz fsb? [03:18] only 3 MB l2 cache though [03:18] now i sucessfully did my first slackbuild. now what happens when i can't find a slackbuild and all i have is the source can one modify a slackbuild for another app for a new source or should i read on this "checkinstall" procedure? [03:18] that depends on the cache size [03:18] i take it that is not a laptop model? [03:18] it is [03:18] its my macbook [03:19] 2.4ghz 4gb ram [03:19] oh, then it is a T9400 i think [03:19] *goes googling* [03:19] cat /proc/cpuinfo to findout [03:19] or a T7700 [03:19] LSD`: arent those 800FSB? [03:19] wait, that only has an 800FSB [03:19] :P [03:20] macavity: ^^^ 00:18 [03:20] darwin doesnt have /proc :) [03:20] ah wait.. it is a P8400 [03:21] which is the mac os x freebsd variant used with mac os x [03:21] no, P8600 [03:21] yeah that seems right [03:21] http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB3S [03:22] yes, 2.4GHz, 3MB L2, 1066MT/s and only 25W [03:22] .. sounds like a macbook :P [03:22] o_O [03:23] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] stig: u mentioned to rm the *.tgz in /tmp.. what about the working dir i /opt where the slackbuild and source is, rm that also, that won't interfere with the executable file /usr/bin...etc.? [03:23] cmair (n=cmair@host230-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:23] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-4-59-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [03:23] wd_: correct. that stuff can be deleted [03:23] stig: ok [03:23] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] wd_: after you have made and installed a package, everything you did in order to make that package can be removed [03:24] stig: oh great. ok. [03:25] i can only get upgrade this one to T7600 (2.3GHz) after that it is all 800+ FSB [03:25] wd_: i usually delete the slackpkg.info script thing and the source and i just keep the slackpkg (the one that ended up in tmp) [03:26] and i dont really want to pay the pricetag for those 2x166MHz :P [03:26] stig: now what do YOU do when you need an app and there's no slackbuild for it? do you dl souce and use a slackbuild for another app and modify version, packagename, etc.. or do you just install from source and hope it doesn't cry too much for depends? [03:27] macavity: heh, mobile procs do suck like that [03:27] stig: i ask because slapt-get isn't playing with me nicely.. lol. [03:27] wd_: i ask myself do i really need this app? and then i dont stress :p [03:27] LSD`: well.. it is not like i need the processing power.. it is always the crappy 7200RPM laptop disk i am waiting for [03:28] wd_: jokes aside, i havent really need anything which didnt have a slackbuild for it yet [03:28] stig: ah come on .. lets say you need it. lol [03:28] oh [03:28] k [03:28] wd_: but i guess i would go through dependency hell [03:28] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [03:28] wd_: but i would make a slackware package out of it [03:28] wd_: read up on how to make slackware packages [03:28] stig: wow.. i've read that.. what's this checkinstall thing. [03:29] *? [03:29] i dont know [03:29] wd_: really, if you study a slackbuild you will observer that slackware package creation is dead simple [03:29] This fortune intentionally says nothing. [03:29] wd_: and if it *needs* something, ./configure will bail out and bitch at you [03:30] wd_: i've never actually made a package in my life [03:30] macavity: i was thinking could i just use this slackbuild for ddclient for any other souce i get? [03:30] nice [03:30] stig: gotta start somewhere, how else would you learn? [03:30] wd_: wouldnt do that [03:31] macavity: ok [03:31] quasar: not sure what you meant by that really :P does it help if i say its on my to-do list for when i feel mentally ready? [03:31] wd_: i run "DESTDIR=/tmp/fubar make install" as a regular user [03:31] wd_: *just in case* it missfires [03:31] wd_: if it is a .SlackBuild someone else will have taken the flak if it does :P [03:32] but I typically find the oldest versioni I can of a full blown package on that linuxpackages.net.. they're leet. [03:32] wd_: but as i said, slackware package creation is really simple [03:32] macavity: i'm really trying, i am reading and i don't want to get "emerde" and this slapt-get is good for telling what's available and what i have but as far as installing it's not playing nice and i see installpkg is even better. [03:32] ? [03:32] wd_: you can cut up the steps into different scripts and launch them individually in /tmp/fubar [03:33] i have no idea what you're on about quasar [03:33] stig: (ah, wrong person, sorry.. way past my bed time) .. give me two tennis balls and I'll make you mentally ready. [03:33] wd_: i wouldnt touch slapt-get with a firepoke :P [03:33] i can only be mentally ready when i have finished my msc project and handed it in and thus concluded the education chapter of my life [03:34] then can I have two tennis balls? please? [03:34] Action: macavity hands quasar two tennis balls filled with concrete [03:34] w00t! [03:34] other things on the to do list: smoke weed all day, play more guitar, buy an xbox, write more exploits, [03:34] macavity: so i was told. lol. i was told slkpkg is better. [03:34] macavity: if i must go that route. [03:35] slackpkg and sbopkg ftw [03:35] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Connection timed out [03:35] slackpkg is in mainline now [03:35] i dont remember if it was in extra/ at the time of 10.2 [03:35] :) [03:35] quasar: np its easy to mess stuff up after bedtime [03:36] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:36] macavity: i really want to be a true slacker and keep it simple.. i'm thinking just learn to build my own packages and installpkg and keep my box lite and "pure". [03:37] wd_: that sounds like an excellent plan [03:37] wd_: just read a few slackbuilds then [03:37] stig: yep [03:37] vinegaroon (n=sam@60-234-248-40.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] macavity: ok [03:37] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [03:38] so, to keep a "clean" system you use slackbuild ? [03:38] s/slackbuil/slackbuilds/ [03:38] wd_: 1) unpack source 2) ./configure --prefix=/usr --and-what-ever-else-you-need 3) make 4) make DESTDIR=/tmp/somewhere 5) cd /tmp/somewhere 6) find and strip binaries 7) find and compress manpages 8) makepkg [03:38] erf... [03:39] macavity: i wanted this fan program for my laptop to turn the fan on and off.. but it's source and i screwed up and got errors. i was about to quit and go back to emerging.. lol.. but man slack is so pure and vanilla.. i love it. [03:39] well to keep a lcean system you learn gnu/linux [03:39] wd_: that is pretty much how 97% of the slackbuilds work [03:39] macavity: ok i'm writing. [03:39] wd_: i bet a program for conrolling the fan will require kernel 2.6.x these days [03:40] wd_: you may wish to dig back and see if you can find older versions.. [03:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [03:41] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:42] the goal is to 'learn the ability to learn' when it comes to gnu/linux [03:42] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-4-59-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [03:43] the combination of google, manpages and --help will fix any problem you have [03:43] and /msg stig [03:43] and to realize that technical documentation and code is read at a 10x slower pace than a news paper :P [03:43] j/k [03:43] at least [03:44] macavity: i knew it.. it was the kernel. i agree with u. i was thinking the same thing.. it's ok, i can't get a 2.6 on the lappy but i'm impressed with slackware and 10.2. [03:44] i was trying to make heads and tails of a kernel driver for my previous ATA controller.. damn that took some time :P [03:45] the main .c file was probably no more than 10 screen fulls of code.. but it took more more than a week to wrap my head around it [03:45] i did find the bug though :P [03:45] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) joined ##slackware. [03:45] nice [03:46] i have three patches in the kernel.. all one liners :P [03:46] two of them are missing PCIids [03:46] im writing an exploit for a stackbased buffer overflow in open transport tycoon deluxe version umm cant remember right now [03:46] but i had to learn ruby for it since im writing it through the metasploit framework [03:47] so you want to be a black hat, eh? [03:47] will still have to debug it myself though to find what triggers the vuln and how i can implement that in the exploit. and then i need to circumvent memory protection techniques [03:48] i hate the hat terms :p [03:48] are you trying to crack a game console? [03:48] i consider myself a pentester lacking practical experience because im stuck in a master's doing theoretical shit [03:48] hence why my life starts in 3 months when im done [03:48] no sec ill give you the cve [03:48] dont bother [03:49] thanks guys gotta read slackbuild and the essentials again. [03:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: [03:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:49] i am much more interested in the fix than the exploit [03:49] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-71-154-146-225.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:49] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-3547+ [03:50] the fix is out there [03:51] is the server run with root level priviledge? [03:51] i dont know, havent got around to actually looking at it yet. im still doing literature review [03:51] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [03:51] that is kind of important.. [03:51] nah [03:52] just getting local access gives you full access to do other nifty tricks for elevating your privs [03:52] yes.. if openttdd is run as user nobody in group nobody with homedir /dev/null you wont get anywhere except annying the other players [03:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] well "full" access [03:52] shthed (i=shthed@124-169-151-137.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:52] ahh celexa before bed garauntees me 7hrs of deep sleep me likey [03:53] and if you intend to eleveate your privs you are up against the kernel guys :P [03:53] there's ways to get around stuff like that macavity [03:53] good luck with that [03:53] fukhed (i=shthed@124.169.5.214) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:53] nix_chix0r: be carefull with that stuff ok? [03:54] i have a follow up appointment on the 28th [03:54] i've noticed my mood swings are more chill now [03:55] had headaches for the first couple days but that's the least of the possible side affects [03:55] nix_chix0r: if it says anything with cyclobenzo$WHATEVER i should be nothing less than frightened of it [03:55] i don't think it said that let me check [03:55] nix_chix0r: or if it is a benzodiasepin of any kind too [03:56] macavity, pro druggie huh? [03:56] citolopram [03:56] or something along that [03:56] Action: edman007 takes the TV from nix_chix0r, and rides off into the sunset on his pony [03:56] stig: what did you mean by "circumvent memory protection" exactly? [03:56] edman007, noooo [03:57] yeeessssss [03:57] cpus that dont allow executing from the stack for example [03:57] W^X for example [03:57] stuff compiled with stackguard etc [03:57] i feel a sore throat comming on , been drinking tons of oj [03:57] fukhed? wtf! [03:58] nix_chix0r: ok, that stuff isnt the worst [03:58] or shthed [03:58] macavity, he was going to put me on wellbutrin but i've heard not the greatest from that particular med [03:58] but thats for my career [03:59] for my project i dont need to avoid shit [03:59] nix_chix0r, all these drugs.... [03:59] omg! indian passport registration requires IE 5.x later :( [03:59] i jsut need to get the exploit working [03:59] stig: good.. i was just making sure you didnt belive you could escape the virtual adress space (yes, i have seen people bang their head against that) [03:59] edman007, one pill a night is better than me smoking weed 24/7 [03:59] https://passport.gov.in/pms/Information.jsp [04:00] in the past year all i have taken is antihistamines, caffeine, and alcohol [04:00] be glad you don't need to take an anti depressent [04:00] nix_chix0r: what an attitude =( [04:00] nix_chix0r: weed owns any sort of pill [04:00] no prescription drugs or illegal drugs [04:00] hrad (n=a@78-136-167-123.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [04:01] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:01] stig, my lungs would be in trouble if it were legal in our state for "medicinal purposes" [04:01] stig: weed effectively turns your brain into dog poo... it is just a matter of time.. [04:01] nix_chix0r: use a vaporizer [04:01] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [04:02] man monday is going to be a great day at work. office politics on full blast [04:02] co worker got drunk at a bar and confronted a client and broke serious confidentiality laws [04:02] sweet [04:02] call in sick? :P [04:02] no way i want to see it go down [04:03] lol [04:03] guys does it make any sense to put entire system on SSD + all the major 3rd party apps which are using FS a lot, and the rest of the stuff on HDD ? [04:03] no [04:04] for some reason i can't ssh into my media pc with eth0 i can use that computer to connect to any other ones in the house but i can't get into it [04:04] nix_chix0r, well i want this tapped and on youtube [04:04] verbose really didnt give me much of an error [04:04] hrad: yes, that speeds things up quite a bit [04:04] s/tapped/taped/ [04:04] macavity, and todays kernels don't have problems with it at all...I guess [04:05] hrad, it makes sense... [04:05] do they? [04:05] and why would the kernel care? [04:05] he cant for he hasn't feelings [04:05] my exciting weekend consisted of watching weeds, and getting new pillows [04:05] alright ") [04:06] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:06] need to give the car a bath and the baby a bath because he's a little crusty [04:06] damn neck folds collecting dribble and lint [04:06] vinegaroon (n=sam@60-234-248-40.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Action: edman007 invisions a baby so dirty that he can't move [04:07] nix_chix0r, it will be like he is hatching out of an egg [04:07] hahaha i just dont understand how he can get so dirty [04:07] he hasnt even started veggies yet [04:07] nix_chix0r, you didn't know babies have dirt glands? [04:07] delivers dirt by the truck load edman007 [04:07] they excrete pure dirt, when they get older they turn into sweat glands [04:08] i'm looking forward to feeding him spagetti [04:08] and then later into hemoroids [04:08] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] hmm, its after 4am... [04:09] why must the clock keep ticking? [04:10] becaust UNIX time is defined as the number of seconds since 1/1 1970 [04:11] and we cant have the most signifigant incrementing number to come out of value [04:12] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-165-237.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] sudo date 010101011970 [04:12] fukhed (i=shthed@124-169-187-142.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c193-150-254-182.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [04:13] takeMeBackInTime [04:13] eightyEightMilesPerHour [04:13] edman007: no, that is not fun.. set it to 23:59:59:1969 ;-) [04:14] err.. 31/12 that is [04:14] macavity, i don't want to die [04:14] jaskorpe_ (i=jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [04:14] i know that the world will implode if i set it to before time began [04:15] it would make you time travel [04:15] its like the big bang, you know that there is no such thing as before it, and if you try to go before it you get a big bang [04:15] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:15] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [04:15] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] you set the date to 1969, and watch the clock say 2038 [04:15] cmair (n=cmair@host230-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:15] .. then the seccond ticks, and it is at EPOC again :P [04:16] vinegaroon (n=sam@60-234-248-40.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] i'm on a 64-bit box... [04:17] I set my clock to 2020 once because I wanted to play Cyberpunk 2020 [04:18] edman007: actually i belive the specs say uint32 [04:18] Didn't they revise it a few years ago after realising about 2038? [04:18] macavity, time_t is signed... [04:19] jaskorpe (i=jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:19] vinegaroon (n=sam@60-234-248-40.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:20] edman007: yes.. and time_t is defined as arch int :P [04:21] that sounds like a C variable [04:21] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.155) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [04:21] I mean a C type [04:21] it is [04:22] dchmelik, its the C type that will make the world actually end [04:22] or rather, a POSIX defined type [04:22] arquebus[1] (n=arquebus@201.139.148.92.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Unless the Mayans get us first... [04:23] edman007: on 64bits noone who will even have heard of us, or our civilization, will be around to care when it happes :P [04:23] by that time everything will be updated, everything except the most important and critical equipment, the stuff that has been working for 40+ years without error and as such everyone decided to not fix what was not broke [04:23] It does not matter if the world ends because afterwards there will a 2nd Coming of RMS [04:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host119-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]" [04:24] macavity, eh, i kinda think they will hit the issue on microcontrollers controlling the big industrial things [04:24] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [04:24] we still use 8/16-bit for that stuff [04:24] they learned from y2k [04:25] i dont think they will get cought with their pants down again [04:25] s/caught [04:27] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.231.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:29] uva (i=bno@118-160-165-237.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:29] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Hello. I have some problems with my Slax, is this a good place to ask some questions? [04:30] not really [04:30] ok... [04:31] Keiffer: we, for obvious reasons, cannot know what the developers of Slax did [04:31] A... but i need some adice on compiling some things. Like screenlets [04:32] Keiffer: however, if your problem is more of a "generic UNIX problem" i may be able to answer [04:32] how does "compiling things" and a LiveCD fit in the same sentense? [04:32] i just registred in a dyndns account, must i wait a bit before redirection up ? [04:33] Emeau: it genreally take a little bit of time [04:33] macavity, what livecd? [04:33] [TWR] (n=twr@216.80-202-241.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Keiffer: last i checked Slax was a livecd?!? [04:33] thanks :) [04:33] shthed (i=shthed@203-59-250-232.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Have you ever defeated a wumpus? [04:34] Keiffer: or did you just say "Slax" when you meant "Slackware" as an abriversion? [04:34] It has a usb bootable version too. Running on FAT32 [04:34] ah, ok.. no, i dont think i can help with that [04:34] No, Slax is that distro of linux. Lightweight and portable [04:35] [TWR] (n=twr@216.80-202-241.nextgentel.com) left ##slackware. [04:35] well.. i have no idea how the tool chain is rigged on it.. and i have no idea how they managed to get a POSIX system running on a non-POSIX filesystem [04:36] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.230) joined ##slackware. [04:36] magic ! [04:36] like all other weird things in this world ::)) [04:37] (yep, there is a lot of magic in this world) [04:37] I don't really know either but it's good for me. I have a Linux os, that's "seeable" from windows and I can put win portable apps on the same stick. [04:38] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.99) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:46] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:46] fukhed (i=shthed@124-169-187-142.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [04:46] hey is there any way to "Not, notify another pigdin user that i have left the converstaion" [04:47] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:52] sounds like something you would need access to the other users machine [04:52] or hax the protocol [04:53] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.89) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:53] depending on what network i suspect that it is the server that sends these messages to the clients [04:56] macavity: no , its protocol, and this can be only viewed by pidgin users [04:56] well its kind of insulting ,when we see "Mr xxxx, left the converstion" [04:57] don't leave then [04:57] it's still insulting whether you send a signal or not [04:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:04] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:05] dive: yea i have trick i guess , [05:05] its like to logout , close the window , and login again :P [05:05] tada [05:06] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:06] that's a little insecurity on your part [05:06] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:07] if I don't want to speak to someone anymore I tell them that I'm going to be busy with something else [05:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:07] and wave goodbye [05:07] dive: my only problem is pidgin notfy other pidgin peer , when i close the window [05:07] dive: yea , well im not assertive [05:07] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:07] ok [05:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [05:07] that is my weakness :) [05:08] rez [05:08] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:09] how the things are going? [05:09] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.29.17) joined ##slackware. [05:10] any news about the new release? i mean when it be released? [05:10] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.29.17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:10] when we are done ironing out the last issues [05:10] or, as popularly stated: When it is Ready(TM) [05:11] macavity, and how long do you estimate, after it is ready, that sbo will catch up with it? [05:12] AnonymousRednek: last time i heard they were 2/3 through [05:12] that would depend on the maintainers I would have thought [05:13] I'm not touching my sb's until 13 is released and installed on my build box [05:13] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] dive: which sb's do you maintain? [05:17] aiksaurus/ fbida/ figlet/ js/ kqemu/ qbittorrent/ qemu/ rasterbar/ shed/ [05:17] shed? I don't think that's up yet [05:18] nope [05:18] er and not qemu [05:18] just kqemu [05:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] I should move that out - dunno why that's in that dir [05:19] so not many [05:19] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Slackware+13+RC1+-+KDE+4.2.4?content=107953 [05:21] strange site for placing your distros mod [05:24] those are just screen shots [05:25] hmmz, yoah, you're right [05:25] yeah* [05:26] elkng (n=wnb@78-24-228-177-gprs.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:28] elkng (n=wnb@78-24-228-177-gprs.vntc.ru) left irc: Client Quit [05:32] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Hello! [05:32] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:33] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:49] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] one simple question, as i lack 3d hardware to test: the 3d desktop cube is now part of the desktop effects in the kde window manager or you need compiz for that? [05:51] KDE has its own cube [05:51] and if you are really luckey you might even get it with slackware13 [05:51] are you on -current? [05:54] mkeil (i=marcel@juniper.main.us-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:00] WTF-81 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Nick change: WTF-81 -> WTF-8 [06:02] yes, i'm on current [06:02] it's out of curiosity; i lack 3d hardware at this moment in my slackware machines, so i couldn't test it myself [06:02] WTF-9 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Intel something chip? [06:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:07] sis [06:07] oh, poor you [06:08] :) [06:08] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:08] i've got a couple of computers with decent graphics chipsets, but they don't run slackware [06:09] could you be asked to test if this has any bad effects on your machine: [06:09] cd; mkdir xorg-temp; cd xorg-temp; rsync -avPS rsync://rlworkman.net/xorg-temp/ . [06:09] i saw that in lq.org [06:09] O_O [06:09] linky? [06:10] it got "published" not very long ago [06:10] oh, not exactly the same url [06:10] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [06:10] that post is from a few hours ago, afaik [06:10] yes, those are the same [06:11] at this moment i'm not installing those packages because i run a custom kernel [06:11] i don't want to report a "false success", so to speak [06:11] he, it would still be a success [06:11] midday btw :) [06:13] rg3: thx.. that provieds a nice scratch-pad for test results [06:14] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:18] are there any way to transilate a pdf in german to english [06:18] by exporting the text and using an online translator maybe? [06:19] nah, easier: get a slave :) [06:19] TwinReverb: yea this another trick the would consume days for 200page pdf :( [06:20] TwinReverb: i even tried to make use of pdftohtml and use google to help me out [06:20] seems the easiest way is to learn german :D [06:20] but the html output is malformated :( [06:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.103) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [06:22] output to txt [06:22] hmm.. i will better ask the auther for an english copy:( [06:22] lol [06:23] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:30] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:32] hey can any one tell which language is this -> Der USB-Bus ist ein hochst flexibler, erweiterbarer und aufwandiger Bus [06:32] German. [06:32] how should I install vmware on slackware? I'm interested in the not-having-pam-part [06:32] WTF-8: thank god ,.. [06:32] clearly german [06:32] german [06:32] WTF-8: my guess was right :) [06:32] macavity: Camarade_Tux :) thank you [06:33] I always reallove WTF-8 as UTF-8 >< [06:33] now, anyone for vmware? :D [06:33] "the USB bus is a most flexible, $SOMETHING and usefull bus" [06:34] i love google for this [06:34] http://translate.google.com/translate_t# [06:34] oh well.. i just happen to speak a little german [06:34] it even allows us to upload a document [06:34] Camarade_Tux: ;) WTF-8 is a piece of text encoded in UTF-8 but impossible to understand anyway (like: WTF?) ;) [06:34] WTF-8: hehe :P [06:37] one dayt this windows in qemu will work [06:37] Camarade_Tux: lol [06:37] i have really suffered using qemu for windows [06:38] virtual box is just the right thing for windows [06:38] init[1]|znc: that's why I want qemu right now [06:38] init[1]|znc: nope, can't [06:38] it won't let me emulate 64bit OSes on this hardware :) [06:38] ooh, for that . . [06:38] xiaodong (n=xiaodong@114.246.88.230) joined ##slackware. [06:38] well im on a 32 bit thingie .. [06:38] qemu does but windows keeps on BSOD'ing [06:38] just bsod'e [06:38] d [06:39] Camarade_Tux: yea that is the problem [06:39] bsod [06:39] just close your eyes then [06:40] lol [06:40] best screen of decade :P [06:40] if windows bsods in qemu we know that qemu is a 1:1 mask of the hardware it poses as :P [06:41] macavity: unfortunately not [06:41] bsod [06:42] Nick change: Meckafet1 -> Meckafett [06:43] bsod [06:43] so funny :) [06:43] WTF-8, HAHAHA [06:43] xiaodong` (n=xiaodong@114.246.88.230) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Nick change: xiaodong` -> dongdong [06:45] dongdong (n=xiaodong@114.246.88.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:51] _brian` (i=unknown@hd5b9147f.dktatas.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) left ##slackware. [06:53] mttelli (n=user@pD9E04E81.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-199-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] macavity, Windows ME runs flawlessly in QEMU [07:00] so we know that's not true [07:00] until you use KQEMU in any way [07:00] then it takes down Linux with it [07:01] windows ME never ran flawlessly ;-P [07:02] Sure it did, if you only ran MS products on it [07:02] The problems came from all the extra crap conflicting with popular applications [07:02] For example: System Restore conflicting with Norton SystemWorks/Norton Utilities [07:02] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [07:02] The lack of real mode DOS support to speed up boot times [07:03] >_> [07:03] mttelli (n=user@pD9E04E81.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [07:03] macavity, what package gives me ld-linux stuff? [07:04] glibc-solibs i think.. let me grep /var/log/packages/ for you.. [07:05] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.61.195) left irc: "leaving" [07:05] yes, glibc-solibs [07:06] and it then gets over writtten by glibc [07:11] thanks :) [07:12] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [07:12] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] System restore on Windows ME? [07:14] yes [07:14] Strykar, yes that is where it came from [07:14] it's first appearance [07:15] XP was the merging of ME and 2000 [07:15] That button clearly said, Launch if anyone used it. [07:15] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-101-108.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] NthDegree: lol, no [07:15] I ran ME for a while - didn't have any problems [07:15] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:15] ME was horrible [07:16] NthDegree, I really think that XP was meant to mean cross platform you know? [07:16] I know it's experience but... [07:16] hehe [07:17] XP was what MS originally envisioned 2000 to be, but beating Novell was more important than unifying 9x and NT so instead we got NT5 and Me [07:17] windows 2ksp5 was about usable... but no matter how much they pollish it still doesnt change that windows is an ass backwards designed platform [07:18] can someone please tell me how to fix "/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when running firefox 3.5.1 from current? should I add firefox's path to ld.so.conf? [07:19] spiko: you shouldnt really get such an error AFAIK. is this 32bit ? [07:19] spiko: you MUST NOT run firefox-bin, run 'firefox' [07:19] spiko: is that a slackware package? [07:19] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:19] sahko, yes, just upgraded to current [07:19] what Camarade_Tux said [07:19] as I said, run "firefox" [07:20] oh yeah try what Camarade_Tux said [07:20] Camarade_Tux, firefox does nothing, so i tried -bin [07:20] run ldconfig [07:20] i did [07:20] odd [07:20] spiko: firefox is a shell script wrapper around -bin which lets it find its libs [07:20] spiko: run: ps -e |grep firefox [07:21] Try: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.1 /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.1/firefox-bin [07:21] err [07:21] minus the 64 parts [07:21] Camarade_Tux, nothing with ps if i don-t start firefox [07:21] hi [07:22] LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.1 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.1/firefox-bin [07:22] then see if it works [07:23] NthDegree, does nothing also :/ [07:23] spiko, well something is causing firefox not to load [07:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] spiko, maybe a corrupt profile, does 'firefox -profilemanager' work? [07:24] I'd strace it [07:24] spiko: hmmm, do you have addons? [07:24] yeah strace usually finds the source of problems [07:24] dive: it doesn-t work. i also deleted the .mozilla dir [07:24] strange [07:25] Camarade_Tux, i had soe but i deleted the profile already [07:25] strace :) [07:25] spiko: have you upgraded only firefox or all the packages? [07:25] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Camarade_Tux, i upgraded all to current and restarted [07:26] btw what should strace do, it is waiting at "waitpid(-1, " [07:26] I vote for strace then :) [07:26] you'll need strace -f iirc [07:27] you can usually output it into a log which you can read through to find where it's stalling [07:27] yep, strace -f firefox &> ff_strace, and pastebin the file [07:27] LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox/ firefox [07:27] been a while since I used it though [07:28] Karu (n=slackalc@78-28-98-216.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:28] macavity, just tried that :P [07:28] gromozekin (n=Frodor@217.118.78.97) joined ##slackware. [07:28] ##slackware: mode change '+b gromozekin!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:28] gromozekin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: troll ban [07:29] hah! With a nickname like gromozekin, i'm not surprised XD [07:31] spiko: really, strace -f ;) [07:32] i posted the strce -f output at http://pastebin.com/d2ff9a506 if someone cares to take a look - i can't find out what went wrong [07:32] Has anyone noticed Firefox sucking in the rendering dept on -current 64-bit? [07:33] NthDegree: not here but I'm not surprised :) [07:33] as in, sometimes loading pages without text or missing half the page and stuff? [07:33] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:35] spiko: but when you run "firefox", you have a "firefox-bin" process alive, right? [07:36] Karu (n=slackalc@78-28-98-216.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [07:36] firefox mostly just sucks anymore, 2.0.0.xx was really the last good major #n release IMO [07:37] Camarade_Tux, yes,just nothing happens [07:38] the extensions are the only good thing going for it if not for that i would not even bother [07:38] I never got the extensions. They just seemed like excuses for not including functionality in the base program... [07:38] spiko: it can not find all the libs usually found in /usr/lib t.ex. libSM.so.6 etc [07:39] spiko: and ps -e |grep firefox returns how many processes? [07:39] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Camarade_Tux, 2 firefox and bin [07:39] ml4711: it can find them but it first looks for them in the wrong place [07:39] spiko: hmmmm [07:40] you should only have "firefox" and "firefox-bin" [07:40] Camarade_Tux: Ok [07:40] Action: NthDegree loves explodepkg ^_^ [07:41] it's made of awesome and should help me with 32-bit apps muchly ^_^ [07:42] spiko: try removing your .mozilla again and run firefox, how many of them do you get? [07:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:44] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [07:45] Camarade_Tux, i get 2 (as before): firefox and firefox-bin [07:46] spiko, killall firefox and killall firefox-bin, then try [07:46] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:47] spiko: ah, I thought you had firefox, firefox and firefox-bin (2+1) [07:47] dive no processes with name firefox exist [07:47] dive once i break the firefox [07:47] and firefox-bin? [07:47] shthed (i=shthed@203-59-124-189.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:48] dive i tried pgrep firefox and no result [07:48] Camarade_Tux, no, i wasn't precise enough :/ [07:48] spiko, what about firefox-bin [07:49] pgrep firefox-bin [07:50] dive, no result. but i think it should find -bin even if i only grep for firefox [07:51] true [07:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:52] firefox is a shellscript that calls/invokes firefox-bin [07:53] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-158.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.230) left irc: "Leaving." [07:54] Action: dive is stumped [07:54] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:54] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [07:56] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:57] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:59] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] heh guys thank you very much for your help. for now i'll just downgrade to firefox 3.0.10 [08:03] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.78.164) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hi guys [08:03] hi mithridates ^^ [08:03] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl209-60.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:04] I want to use mysql, after couple of hours I got that I can't use mysql from tgz package in slackware 12.2 because of pid file problem and init scripts problems [08:04] what do you recommend to me? [08:04] I want to use iptables to enable sshd on LAN (10.0.0.0/16) and FTPd on WAN. I think I hit the nail with SSHd but I am not so sure with FTPd. Are my rules too broad? http://pastebin.com/m2cde01fe [08:05] ok, vmware kernel module doesn't build with 2.6.30 [08:05] =))) where is solutions? I can see just bug reporting in slackware channel =)))) [08:06] mithridates : use the package. and if you have problems, tell us the details [08:06] ananke: I used package [08:06] Camarade_Tux, it never does build with newer kernels [08:07] mithridates : good. and keep using it [08:07] ananke: mysql-5.0.81-i486-1gds.tgz exactly this package [08:07] mithridates : '-1gds' is not an official slackware package [08:07] mingdao (i=nobody@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [08:07] ananke: but it's not working - it has some problem for init scripts [08:07] Camarade_Tux, my advice is to use Kernel 2.6.27.x if you want a long-term supported mainline kernel that all the proprietary software vendors will support =] [08:07] ananke: so where can I find official package of mysql? [08:08] Camarade_Tux, the alternative is 2.6.16.x, which is also still maintained IIRC [08:08] mithridates : the official package has the same issue? [08:08] NthDegree: never! :p [08:08] ananke: I got it from here : The Slackware Package Browser, among other new features, has been moved on http://packages.slackware.it [08:08] ananke: http://packages.slackware.it [08:08] Camarade_Tux, btw have you tried the 'any-any update' patch? [08:09] NthDegree: nope, what is it? [08:09] The Slackware Package Browser? [08:09] mithridates : did you even bother selecting '12.2' when searching? here's what you should be installing: http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=12.2/mysql-5.0.67-i486-1 [08:09] ananke: do you know any other official source for slackware package? [08:09] your local mirror [08:09] Camarade_Tux, it's a patch that lets it work with non-RHEL, non-SLES kernels :P [08:10] mithridates : in fact, i doubt you found 'mysql-5.0.81-i486-1gds.tgz' via the package browser [08:10] Camarade_Tux, officially, only RHEL and SLES (and maybe one or two others) have support - the 'any-any update' patches it to work with mainline and other kernels [08:10] NthDegree: oh, that's not the problem: the kernel is really that I'm using kernel 2.6.30 and last vmware release is from March [08:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Camarade_Tux, yeah, but it's only recently that VMWare has *ever* supported mainline kernels [08:11] as in technically supported it [08:11] umm Thank you :D I understood [08:11] any-any update has always been used historically to keep it working with the latest kernels [08:11] mithridates : so the question is, where did you get that broken package from [08:11] mithridates, try using slackpkg to get your packages [08:12] 'slackpkg install mysql' comes to mind [08:12] With all due respect to Pat, the Package Browser on slackware.com should be updated or removed. [08:12] NthDegree: I can't because it's a virtual machine and out of internet- [08:13] mithridates, no problem.. download the package from the official slackware server (or mirrors) and use installpkg [08:13] mingdao : yeah, i don't understand why it has to be hosted by an external site [08:13] NthDegree: and ananke : Thank you for your helps [08:14] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.185) joined ##slackware. [08:15] macavity: to clear things up (after rworkman explained a bit further): I am not the opinion "Works for me" regarding the X.Org driver issue. Yes, it works for me, but I take reports of problems seriously if people document what they experience with a stock slackware-current [08:15] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:15] buenos dias :) [08:16] alienBOB: we're good :-) [08:16] However, I do not concern myself with the X.Org package set, since both rworkman and Pat work on this, and having other input oonly clouds the issue. For the record, I think we should not have moved to xorg-server 1.6.1. And perhaps we should revert to it [08:16] Ehhh [08:16] Typo [08:17] i get you [08:17] We should not have moved to 1.6.2 of course [08:17] looking at the release number it *should* have been a safe move.. but apparently it wasnt [08:17] hey guys but I have same problem with official package of mysql from official slackware package browser , I think it's an official bug [08:18] i dont care if it swings back to 1.6.1 or the mesa upgrade + recompile [08:18] I was a bit surprised to see the xorg 1.6.2 update after the 13.0 rc1 announcement [08:19] http://pastebin.ca/1507835 please see this pastebin [08:19] vinegaroon: trying to fix the X issues many Intel-GPU using people have made things only worse... and for the Ati using people too I think [08:19] slackware has problem with making pid-file in the right path [08:20] mithridates: you sure about that? [08:20] yes I'm sure about that, because I'm following this problem about 3 days [08:20] You did run the commands as listed in the header of rc.mysql first, before you started MySQL ? [08:21] yes I did it [08:21] alienBOB: on the positive side though, it looks like rworkmans packages fixes it for even for the people who had trouble *before* the 1.6.2 upgrade... and but maybe breaks things for people who use blender :-/ [08:21] mithridates: read the output of this, # head -33 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [08:22] I have seen and I have done this commands [08:23] chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld; mysql_install_db --user=mysql; [08:24] the problem is about mysql pid-file [08:24] I just ran "mysql_install_db --user=mysql" and ran 'rc.mysql start' on -current. Now Iiiiiiiiii have a working mysql mithridates... [08:24] alienBOB: slackware 12.2 with mysql-5.0.67-i486-1.tgz ? [08:25] alienBOB: would you tell me the exactly version? [08:25] mithridates: slackware-current here. I use mysql on 12.2 already, no issues [08:26] so what's wrong with my slackware 12.2 ? [08:26] I only use official slackware packages, mithridates [08:26] mithridates: could you try and rm that pid file? [08:27] macavity: there is not any pid file for mysql [08:27] let me to pastebin [08:27] Action: TwinReverb hugs slackware64-13.0-rc1 [08:27] i saw that [08:27] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] macavity: there is not any pid file for mysql [08:27] argh sorry [08:28] STOPPING server from pid file /var/run/mysql/mysql.pid 090726 12:45:38 mysqld ended [08:28] failed paste [08:29] mithridates: do you have an error file, like '/var/lib/mysql/$(hostname).err'? if so, could you pastebin it? [08:30] hba: yes I have, just a minute [08:31] http://pastebin.ca/1507838 [08:31] it's /var/lib/mysql/mithridates.err or $(hostname).err [08:32] mingdao (i=nobody@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: "Leaving" [08:33] there is no /usr/share/mysql/English, but there's /usr/share/mysql/english [08:34] mithridates: $(hostname) its a subshell that execute hostname ;) [08:35] mithridates : show us your /etc/my.cnf [08:35] http://pastebin.ca/1507843 [08:36] lol :) [08:36] language = /usr/share/mysql/English :P [08:36] what happend? [08:36] mithridates : and there you go. you broke it [08:37] oh I got it [08:37] mithridates: by default it uses "english", not "English". You can live without that line. [08:37] now I should restart /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [08:37] How can I encrypt the /home folder so nobody can see my private data if hdd analyze? [08:37] yes I replaced it [08:38] Keiffer : look at LUKS and cryptosetup [08:38] STOPPING server from pid file /var/run/mysql/mysql.pid; 090726 12:59:55 mysqld ended [08:38] again [08:38] ananke, ok. thanks.. [08:38] mithridates : again, show us the logs [08:38] ok [08:38] mithridates : and it would help if you didn't create broken config files [08:39] jajajaja :) [08:39] i has no /etc/my.cnf what config is it using then? huge, large, medium or small? [08:39] he created one. either manually, or by installing that other package [08:39] http://pastebin.ca/1507849 [08:40] you didn't fix your /etc/my.cnf [08:40] mithridates : did you put that file yourself? [08:40] I forgot to run mysql_install_db [08:40] I put my.cnf mysqld [08:41] myself [08:41] C00re: mysql has some default option *in*. You can execute '/usr/libexec/mysqld --verbose --help' to get the default options. [08:41] =)))) I'm writing instead of anything mysqld [08:41] mithridates : you don't need it [08:41] k [08:41] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.34.191) joined ##slackware. [08:41] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.213.0) joined ##slackware. [08:41] hey [08:42] now it's working perfect =)) hoooooooraaaaaa [08:42] c# nohup: redirecting stderr to stdout [08:42] Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql [08:42] Well, so no bug in Slackware then after all mithridates [08:42] mithridates : see what happens when you use official packages, and you don't dork around? [08:43] Keiffer: there is a README_CRYPT.TXT in the Slackware DVD's rootdirectory [08:43] Keiffer, what application are you looking at for LUKS? [08:43] =))) don't kick me , forever I won't say about that slackware has bug, I will say I have a lot of bug in my mind [08:43] woow I'm very happy it's working perfect /var/run/mysql/mysql.pid [08:43] mithridates, get bug zapper shades [08:44] 8-) [08:44] mithridates : and it was never about the PID file [08:44] TwinReverb, I really don't know. That's why I'm asking [08:44] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-102-92-165.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Keiffer, what are your goals? [08:44] ananke: thank you very much [08:45] I want to encrypt as much as I can of my Ubuntu so if hdd gets analyzed my privata data remains private. Same with Slax bootable usb drive [08:45] Keiffer: Iiiiif you are not running Slackware, why come asking in ##slackware ? [08:46] Keiffer, then the answer you want is in README_CRYPT.TXT you should go with the last option listed (i.e. "fully" encrypted hard drive) [08:46] maybe he wants to run Slackware and is interested in askin about LUKS before installing it [08:46] Does not look that way from reading his answers [08:46] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [08:47] maybe he could answer it himself [08:47] if they use what you wrote, alienBOB, to do what the other distro didn't document, you basically pwn that distro 8-) [08:47] shpendk (n=shpend-i@80.80.175.68) joined ##slackware. [08:48] well, installing slackware over ubuntu would make the ubuntu data unreadable, problem solved :D [08:48] Yes, I plan to run both Slackware and Ubuntu [08:48] Camarade_Tux, i like your solution 8-) [08:48] Keiffer, ok, then README_CRYPT.TXT is what you want [08:49] Keiffer : keep in mind that slackware is not slax [08:49] it's ... better 8-) [08:49] g'night peeps [08:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] Yea, I know. But is slackware-based [08:49] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:49] I wouldn't use a livecd for encrypting, don't know why [08:50] Camarade_Tux : that falls under 'superstition'. [08:50] ananke: yep :) [08:50] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:50] here we go again "but it is slackware based"... [08:51] Camarade_Tux: hehe, installing Slackware over Ubuntu 8 times would completely erase any traces of the latter one. ;) [08:51] macavity: has to occur every 16 hours or so ;) [08:51] the most i would encrypt would be /home (with /home mounted as a seperate disk partition) and the key/password backed up on a usb thumb drive just in case i forget what it is [08:51] Keiffer: if i take a BMW and totally fuck it up and bring it to the service shop and say "it used to be a BMW", what do you think the repairman will say to me? [08:52] WTF-8: I read one single dd was good enough :) [08:52] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] macavity, he won't look at you very nicely. But what the point? [08:54] Keiffer: that "slackware based" can mean anything from "totally screwed over slackware" to "slackware with minor cosmetic adjustments" [08:54] itsjustme (n=xxx@200-102-205-214.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:54] True. [08:54] Keiffer: and when you come with a 3rd party product that is as severely modified as to be able to run off a FAT format device, you cant possibly expect us to embark on helping you [08:55] macavity: I would say "good for you, now go get yourself a land rover" :) [08:55] itsjustme (n=xxx@200-102-205-214.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] Well, macavity, running from FAT is one of the best things for a portable Linux [08:56] qudama (n=Al-irhab@202.152.172.4) joined ##slackware. [08:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3GuhrtFytY w0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 :) [08:57] can anyone help me, how to configure my huawei e220 hsdpa modem using KPPP on slackware 12.1? [08:57] suse is(was) slackware-based, that should sum it up well [08:57] i dont care if it is good or bad.. in the car analogy that means "a BMW fitted with a VW engine, and a Porche transmission", and i am the BMW repair man telling you to go to the shop that made the modifications [08:58] hba: what's that? (it's long for me to copy the address) [08:58] Keiffer: ^^ [08:58] macavity: zipslack! [08:59] Camarade_Tux: o_O? ... well its a song, "Photek - Love & War", electronic music. [08:59] Camarade_Tux: if you zip up everytime you see slack, that is your problem ;-) [08:59] Well, they don't know how to answer to my question. [08:59] hba: oh, will listen to that after Pink Floyd which means in about three days :) [08:59] macavity: hehe :P [09:01] Camarade_Tux: yeah... "Time" rules. [09:01] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [09:02] So why should I use Slackware? [09:03] because it actually has a community? [09:03] because the documentation is well tested? [09:03] hba: 1966, Dark Side Of The Moon currently :) [09:03] Ubuntu has a larger community [09:03] because it is a very stable distro that keeps things simple? [09:04] sure.. and if you like Ubuntu better, you should use that [09:04] Keiffer: Run both [09:04] Is the only Linux I used so far. So I don't know what I like [09:04] .. just dont ask ubuntu questions in here ;-) [09:05] Ok. Not sking. Asking Slack [09:05] good :P [09:05] So, using "the other linux distro I'm not allowed to talk about" is like getting married. Getting married with the first girl you see. And I don't want that [09:06] I used to use Ubuntu but I switched to Slackware. [09:06] WTF-8: just curious: why? [09:07] Keiffer: it is not that you cant mention other distroes.. it is just that since you have not really tried out that many distroes, you have little idea about *how* different they actually are [09:08] Keiffer: Grab a copy of virtualbox and it is like being married but with lots of mistresses :-) [09:09] Yes, but trying a lot of distros, that are so different would take 5 years to know them all. [09:09] Camarade_Tux: I have written a post on it here http://tinyurl.com/n6rpnt (linuxquestions.org) [09:09] <|alisonken1churc> macavity: In my high school auto shop, we started with a vw bug. Afterwards, it was a vw bug shell with a fully blown 454CI chevy engine in the front. Needless to say, the driver sat in teh back seet. Als, needless to say, the VW repair shop would not work on it either :) [09:09] once you learn your way around slackware it is like being married to a goergeus chick that is truely slutty... but only in the bedroom ;-) [09:11] |alisonken1churc: lol.. that is like taking Ubuntu and carving everything inside of it out and stuffing slackware in there [09:11] Camarade_Tux: But mostly: steep learning curve, great community. And thing is, when I think of 'customisation', I prefer to add something rather than to distract. [09:12] <|alisonken1churc> macavity: but it's a good analogy of the repari shop when someone saya "but it's derived from ....." :) [09:12] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Client Quit [09:12] yes [09:12] <|alisonken1churc> just like "but it was derived from a VW" [09:12] WTF-8: :) [09:12] Camarade_Tux: I had a strong feeling than the Ubuntu community is more like a group of anonymous people who rather know 'where to click and what to write after apt-get' than 'how it really works'. [09:12] you managed to cram a big block chevy engine in to a bug? i bet that took some work [09:13] WTF-8: he, lol :P [09:13] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:13] <|alisonken1churc> of course, taking a derivative of slackware would be the equivalent of takign a porsche and stuffing a vw engine in it :) [09:13] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [09:13] Camarade_Tux: While the community of Slackers is totally different. I know it sounds like a generalisation. But it is just my feeling. [09:13] <|alisonken1churc> Pig_Pen: Welding tools were required, as well as bigger hammers :) [09:14] front suspension had to be beefed up too i bet [09:14] i'm using slack and i still know what to type after apt-get :O [09:15] would be nice to have ntfs-3g on the slackware install cd (available when just booting, not installing) [09:15] hmmm, gonna make a more complete iso and just installpkg ntfs-3g :D [09:15] it isnt there? [09:16] shpendk (n=shpend-i@80.80.175.68) left irc: [09:16] Camarade_Tux: ntfs-3g on the installer? You can install from NTFS [09:17] And ntfs-3g is installed for you so that your running system is able to write to HTFS too [09:17] s/HTFS/NTFS/ [09:17] alienBOB: isn't that just the kernel's ro ntfs? [09:17] Camarade_Tux: what is wrong with that (in the installer)? [09:17] alienBOB: i think he is just aiming at having the installer work as a general purpose bootable repair tool [09:18] alienBOB: nothing besides the fact the slackware installer cd/dvd/usb is a very good recovery cd :D [09:18] yigenjin (n=jupengfe@124.254.16.167) joined ##slackware. [09:18] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.240.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Camarade_Tux: recovery _to_ NTFS? Yuck [09:19] yigenjin (n=jupengfe@124.254.16.167) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] alienBOB: not necessarily recovering linux [09:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [09:20] Camarade_Tux: we're creating a _Slackware_ installer [09:20] alienBOB: yeah, sure, that wasn't a very serious request [09:20] But I understand your wish ;-) [09:21] he ;p [09:21] Camarade_Tux: it is not like it is hard to modify the installer image [09:21] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] macavity: I don't keep images, I regenerate them each time from rsync [09:22] s/mage/initrd [09:22] *image [09:23] actually, I'd trade ntfs* support for a cpu that has vt or pacifica support, I want^Wneed a win7 x64 virtual machine ='( [09:23] (and qemu happily fails) [09:24] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. 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[09:34] bah, I can't read, I thought he said "bbs" >< [09:35] anyway, I call it a qemu fail because qemu's doc says only win xp and 2k are supported, and these are starting to age [09:35] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [09:37] alienBOB: btw, I needed to get files from a qemu image file by booting on slackware, with the kernel's ntfs I had tons ide errors ("failed: unkown opcode") in dmesg, with ntfs-3g it works fine [09:37] should try mount -t ntfs directly [09:49] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:50] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [09:50] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] alkasteve (n=quassel@cpc1-linc10-0-0-cust265.nott.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:51] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.240.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] hey guys [09:53] I configure mysql for remote access [09:53] but the port is not open [09:53] I did it with /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT [09:53] but steel it's not open, I checked it with telnet [09:53] telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [09:53] iptables -L [09:54] and check the place of that rule [09:54] --source-port 3306 --destination-port 3306 [09:54] http://pastebin.ca/1507938 [09:55] is mysql binded to 0.0.0.0 and not 127.0.0.1 ? [09:55] bound* [09:55] I did it /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --source-port 3306 --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT [09:55] mysql is binded to 192.168.56.3 [09:55] heh bound i should of said. [09:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] steel it's not working [09:57] mithridates, cat /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld | grep network [09:57] bind-address = 192.168.56.3 /*should it be the localhost IP address? [09:58] spiko: thank you :( I forgot that [09:58] mithridates, you're welcome ;) [09:59] mithridates: so, by now you have successfully missed all the adice rc.mysql has given you, despite you started out by claming that you had both read and followed it :P [09:59] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] hi all [09:59] there's some gotchas installing mysql... this and being mytsql user and installing the tables iirc [09:59] anyone here knows regular expressions?> [09:59] but I can't connect to it yet [10:00] with mysql administrator [10:00] how can I match this string? "Tour De France 2009 - Stage ?? Highlights" [10:00] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] mithridates: chown -R mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql [10:00] mithridates: just to be sure... [10:00] I have done this job before [10:01] /Tour De France 2009 - Stage \d\d Highlight/ [10:01] mysql -u root -h 192.168.56.3 -p [10:01] Enter password: [10:01] ERROR 1130 (00000): Host '192.168.56.3' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server [10:01] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-101-108.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "2.6.30.3" [10:01] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:01] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:01] mithridates: and you have commented out the SKIP="--skip-networking" in rc.mysqld? [10:02] mithridates: and then /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld restart [10:02] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] macavity: yes I commented SKIP.. [10:02] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [10:02] oh it's working now [10:02] ... [10:02] I did again GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'root'@'192.168.56.3' IDENTIFIED BY ... [10:02] and it's working perfect [10:02] thanks a lot buddies [10:02] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:02] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:04] why MySQL Administrator is not working yet? [10:04] I connected with = mysql -u root -h 192.168.56.3 -p [10:04] did you chown -R mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql [10:04] but steel I can't connect remotely with MySQL Administrator [10:05] macavity: yes really I did it [10:05] =)))) [10:05] as root? [10:05] jonsmith1982: no I ment that instead of the two ?? I put [10-25] [10:05] yes as root [10:05] jonsm: thanks [10:06] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:07] i am out of ideas then [10:08] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:09] cityLights1: lazy solution : [^ ]{2} [10:10] :-) [10:11] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [10:13] btw, what you wrote meant: 1, anything between 0 and 2 (inclusive), or 5 [10:14] so how do you group that range? [10:16] ([0-1][0-9]|2[0-5]) [10:16] Action: macavity has a regexp disabllity [10:16] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl92-208.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] replace all your editors with ed ;) [10:18] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] beatzz_ (n=beatzz@97.115.187.147) joined ##slackware. [10:20] sup all. [10:20] I ment any file named "tour de..." then two digits, then the word Highlight [10:21] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-101-108.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:21] hrad (n=a@78-136-167-123.client.ufon.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] tour\ /de*Highlight [10:21] ? [10:21] /Tour De France 2009 - Stage \d\d Highlight/ [10:22] klock_ (n=klock@bas10-quebec14-1177912744.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:22] /Tour De .*? \d\d Highlight/ [10:24] hrad1 (n=cuba@78-136-167-123.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [10:24] hrad1 (n=cuba@78-136-167-123.client.ufon.cz) left ##slackware. [10:26] beatzz_ (n=beatzz@97.115.187.147) left irc: "Leaving" [10:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[10:46] lets hear it (or read it) [10:47] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-16.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] legendulo (n=RF@92.82.72.77) joined ##slackware. [10:48] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [10:49] morning [10:49] hey baby, whats shakin'? [10:49] morning missyjane, how's it going? :) [10:50] mingdao (i=nobody@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:50] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.213.0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:51] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-52-220.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [10:51] aaah finally figured out how to exclude the files in mirror-current.sh,well it should be space separated than comma :) [10:51] I feel like going on #ubuntu and ask why it takes a different distro for each DE... [10:51] or one at a time :P [10:52] --exclude="*kde*" --exclude "*jre*" ... [10:52] maybe ubuntu developers are all blondes ;p [10:53] because they're all community editions [10:53] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Camarade_Tux: yea in the .conf file i used pasture,extra,source .... well it started downloading what i excluded :( [10:53] dakarn: hmmm, right [10:53] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-52-220.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [10:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-52-220.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [10:54] now its ok , im using a excludefile with newline delimiter [10:54] RipVanWinkle: hopefully no blonde girl on this channel :P [10:54] anyways most people are too dumb to load xsessions -- so ubuntu community tries to make it easy [10:54] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-52-220.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [10:54] (missyjane?) [10:54] calling those community editions gives the idea that they have a commercial edition too [10:55] frankly, making a different distribution just to put lxde is overkill >< [10:56] I could put lxde here and set everything within an hour >< [10:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.164) joined ##slackware. [10:57] that's still an hour [10:57] yeah but it could be on the base-buntu, I believe it takes more time to manage another distribution that to put that in the regular ubuntu [10:57] of course [10:58] Camarade_Tux : not if they have a mechanism in place for that. i can create a custom suse distro in a matter of minutes with suse studio [10:58] Xubuntu is an official distro [10:59] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] RipVanWinkle, [X|K]Ubuntu is commercial, they sell commercial packages that come with landscape and other enterprise tools [11:00] don't forget Lubuntu now :) [11:00] landscape? never heard of it [11:00] official lubuntu website: http://www.johnsonsbaby.com/product.do?id=35 :D [11:01] for the british there is loobuntu ;p [11:01] Ubuntu is actually British :P [11:01] It still sucks though xD [11:02] legendulo (n=RF@92.82.72.77) left irc: Client Quit [11:02] RipVanWinkle, Landscape is like Red Hat Satellite [11:02] Camarade_Tux : using slackware doesn't make you a man either [11:02] yes, read a image of some ubuntu backwords and you'll install vista [11:02] ah, so landscape is something developed in-house at Canonical? [11:02] ananke: wasn't for the "baby" part, more for the lube part :) [11:03] RipVanWinkle, yeps [11:03] I dont' get why people bash a distro as successful as ubuntu. what does that honestly accomplish? [11:03] Action: Camarade_Tux not bashing for once [11:03] thrice`: that success is not allways a metric for quality ;-) [11:03] thrice`, I used it back when it was new.. it was a good concept till Dapper and onwards [11:04] thrice`: like.. windows and mac donnalds are both great successes [11:04] Action: macavity ducks [11:04] macavity: I disagree; it wouldn't be successful if it didn't have its place [11:04] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl50-19.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:04] wonder if spacewalk will evolve to support other distros [11:04] i agree macavity just look at the crap microsoft made billions from [11:04] Action: Camarade_Tux goes behind macavity [11:04] Then they got all.. "lets add experimental crap everywhere and python applets - cause all are users are idiots!" [11:04] ubuntu isn't terribly bad [11:04] Pig_Pen: made? making :> [11:05] well, making the linux desktop friendly for new-comers is pretty challenging [11:05] ananke, spacewalk? [11:05] dakarn, it ships with several non-working components by default and lacks firewalling despite having UDP listeners [11:05] nachox : http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk/ , i mention it since we were talking about landscape [11:05] thrice`, i'll only say that it is not enterprise ready, but it's an ok distribution [11:05] RipVanWinkle, DONT FORGET, im a tranny, so im shaking two things xD [11:05] Camarade_Tux, so so, just woke up [11:06] dakarn, it needs a ton of resources to install properly because the preferred method is via LiveCD - and it uses a ton of resources post-install for little/no reason [11:06] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [11:06] lol! ok missyjane, shake it dont break it :D [11:06] nachox: really? of all the distros, it's one I could see myself running at work, given the opportunity to ditch windows [11:06] missyjane: still sleepy? [11:06] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] nachox : learning about spacewalk resulted in one of those rare moments i had, when i wished we were a rhel/centos shop [11:06] NthDegree: imagine a complete linux noob. he downloads the slackware dvd and installs all the packages [11:06] ananke, it needs porting to slackware ;-p [11:07] then again, we'll be deploying more rhel in the near future [11:07] as NthDegree said, a *very* bad thing with ubuntu is it uses a livecd as installer, that just doesn't work well and takes a very long time to start [11:07] ananke, hehe, it's like window's wsus [11:07] nachox : yep [11:07] dakarn, i'd refer him to a distro that's actually made for newbies - like OpenSuSE, that has GUI tools so a user never needs to touch the CLI at all [11:07] (for instance, I don't care about an installer finding my bluetooth hardware but the ubuntu livecd tries to!) [11:07] dakarn, not something inbetween that wastes RAM and yet STILL needs the CLI! [11:08] ananke, you're switching to RHEL from suse? [11:08] Camarade_Tux, yes, very stressed too cause my stomach is acting up [11:08] nachox : i expect we'll see more of these products in the near future. web based management for larger scale deployment of linux distros, and web based tools to create custom distro builds [spacewalk, suse studio, etc] [11:08] missyjane: bah, how so? maybe you're actually pregnant :D [11:08] greetings people [11:08] dakarn: that happens all the time :P [11:08] yo slackytude :) [11:09] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:09] nachox : not switching, but we're looking at a couple small clusters for very specific scientific equipment. rhel is the only officially supported distro for that software [11:09] CentOS ftw! :P [11:09] y0 Camarade_Tux, hows it going [11:09] slackytude: fine, thanks, and you? [11:09] ananke, Scientific Linux ;) [11:10] Camarade_Tux, still alive [11:10] NthDegree : we're not going to fight that battle [11:10] NthDegree: isn't scientific based on rhel? [11:10] NthDegree, real enterprises need REAL support [11:10] slackytude: good :) [11:10] Scientific Linux is based on RHEL 4 yes [11:10] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl92-208.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] it's customised very slightly for scientific uses [11:10] Camarade_Tux, lol no just acid [11:10] NthDegree : cost of rhel licenses will be part of the cluster solution, and it will be literally a tiny drop in the bucket. if that's what vendor wants, that's what they'll get [11:10] psh, real enterprises hire real admins ;) [11:11] thrice` : and what exactly is that supposed to mean? [11:11] "Real Enterprises" use Microsoft Windows Server ;) [11:11] ananke, interesting, red hat has it's own clustering solution, right? will you be using something like lustre as the global fs? [11:11] *real* enterprises use microsoft [11:11] bshit [11:11] missyjane: bah, I was expected pics of the kiddyjane ='( [11:11] ananke: nothing more than a joke ;) [11:11] NthDegree, ^-^ [11:11] ^.^ [11:11] nachox : it's not the clustering solution that matters, it's the software that will run on top of it [11:11] licensing does cost peanuts in comparison, it hardly matters [11:12] bruc3 (n=bwgmvc@201.59.24.206) joined ##slackware. [11:12] ananke, i really dont want to think about how many 0's that bill will have [11:12] nachox : at least few hundred thousands [11:13] Camarade_Tux, awww... thats so cute [11:13] ah, tax payers will love it :P [11:13] with scientific equipment, IT costs are usually drop in the bucket [11:13] nachox : cost recovery center. they actually recoup the costs [11:14] they sequence/analyse samples for many external customers [11:14] missyjane: hehe :P [11:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetrix#Current_Hardware <- == :D [11:15] EMC around here is a four letter word :) [11:16] Action: nachox doesnt get the joke [11:16] ananke, what about ESX? :P [11:16] scientific equipment is not cheap, just go get the price of an oscilloscope [11:16] nachox, EMC means VMWare [11:16] :P [11:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:16] NthDegree : we haven't gone that route yet, we're doing xen [11:16] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.78.164) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070812]" [11:16] ewww @ Xen [11:16] nachox : nobody that i know of [in real life] likes EMC and their products [11:16] NthDegree : xen is good [11:17] By mistake, while running a backup last night, I transferred all my files under / to an external disk. [11:17] ananke, it's being obsoleted by liblxc, OpenVZ and KVM solutions [11:17] nachox : the general consesus is that their products are way overpriced [11:17] This morning I found out and copy everything back into / [11:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.75.247) joined ##slackware. [11:17] NthDegree : i don't see how. none of them do paravirtualization [11:17] ananke, but that is true for ibm, sun, oracle, and i can keep counting [11:17] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] ananke, OpenVZ gives native speed and works with Linux [11:18] However, now when I run /bin/su as myself, after typing in th password, it says that the password is incorrect. [11:18] nachox : with those you can actually get better pricing. emc not so much [11:18] Xen can only do Solaris, FreeBSD and Linux under paravirtualisation [11:18] so where's Xen's advantage [11:18] NthDegree, tell that to the citrix guys, they seem to be making a lot of cash with it, oracle too [11:18] NthDegree : paravirtualization. not to mention i don't need other operating systems [11:19] ananke, paravirtualisation Xen offers is slower than OpenVZ [11:19] much slower [11:19] NthDegree, xen can fully virtualize if you've got the right processor [11:19] NthDegree : got any benchmarks? [11:19] xen came earlier than kvm and is *very* well-known [11:19] ananke, sure.. gimme 1 sec.. keep in mind OpenVZ isn't virtualisation - it's containers [11:19] as far as i know openvz is just like a solaris zone, you're not comparing apples with apples [11:20] btw, I'm looking for a virtualization program that can do 64bit on 64bit host, *without* hardware support for virtualization [11:20] with xen i can do linux/linux paravirtualization, and i can do linux/windows full virtualization. openvz is limited in that aspect [11:20] (qemu is out btw) [11:20] nachox, he said he only needs the same OS [11:20] cant do xen paravirtualization too for windows guests, with the right cpu? [11:21] NthDegree : for paravirtualization i only need linux. i agree, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, since we also do windows on linux with full virtualization [11:21] ananke: what are you using for that full virtualization of windows? [11:21] slackytude : full virtualization requires the 'right' cpu. paravirtualization doesn't [as long as it's post p3 i think] [11:21] Camarade_Tux : xen [11:21] KVM is considered superior for Windows on Linux (I don't have benchmarks on that though!) and it works with OpenVZ/Virtuozzo [11:22] ananke, are you a member of the linux foundation? [11:22] NthDegree : the 'is considered superior' tells me very little [11:22] missyjane : no [11:22] ananke, because KVM runs within the same Linux kernel, and Xen runs effectively as a microkernel there is more overhead when running Windows in a VM [11:22] ananke: xen does *full* virtualization? [11:22] and QEMU is used with both Xen and KVM for full virtualisation [11:22] yes [11:23] wuth the right cpu it does [11:23] so you get none of Xen's security benefits if QEMU gets owned [11:23] NthDegree : not to mention that we've settled on xen way before kvm was even considered stable. i don't understand your attitude towards what we've selected, based on how little you know what we do, and how we do it [11:23] so, xen out too, qemu gives me too many problems [11:24] Even Red Hat is even moving away from Xen [11:24] NthDegree, again, you're not comparing apples to apples here, KVM is a type-2 hypervisor, Xen is a type-1 http://blogs.sun.com/pfuetz/entry/kvm_vs_xen [11:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.180) joined ##slackware. [11:24] NthDegree : xen is a hypervisor, so i don't see how you think that running windows on it requires more overhead than running it on a full linux kernel [11:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:24] ananke, because it runs through Linux with both Xen and KVM [11:24] NthDegree : no, it doesn't [11:25] ananke, how does the remaining hardware get emulated then in non-paravirt mode? :P [11:25] well, it does for some networking, etc [11:26] still, this is an academic exercise in what we 'think' results in more overhead. pics, or it didn't happen :) [11:26] exactly, so it has to go through the Dom0 still... Xen is better than KVM for paravirtualisation because KVM isn't mature enough yet - but for full virtualisation.... no way [11:27] NthDegree : and again, how is that 'ewww' regarding the decision we've made? [11:27] you're comparing an enterprise offering with vmware workstation, i think that is a joke [11:27] On level 3, when I log in as root and provide the password, everything is fine. [11:28] However, when I log in as user on level 3, if I type su and provide the root password, it says 'sorry, wrong password'. [11:28] nachox, http://virtualization.com/guest-posts/2009/07/06/rhel-will-5.4-features-kvm/ [11:28] nachox, also Virtuozzo is an enterprise offering of OpenVZ [11:29] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] xen gives us a good all-around solution. it gives us great performance with paravirtualization for linux. it gives us full virtualization for the rare times we need it, ALL on the same host. xen is supported by our distros out of the box. the 'ewwww' is completely unwarranted [11:29] the fact that redhat ships kvm hardly makes it enterprise ready [11:30] and i'm glad that rhel will feature KVM. in fact, i would love to deploy products two years ago, that will be available next year [11:30] and i dont trust a fully supported kernel that much, so imagine how much i'd trust a kernel that is patched as hell with unofficial stuff [11:31] time to go back in time and deploy linux on all of those solaris 8 boxes... [11:32] nachox, virtualisation in itself isn't truly enterprise ready yet [11:32] ananke, give me projects and real resource management in linux and i might :P [11:32] ananke, could you log on to this channel two years ago and tell me to study something else as well? k thx bye [11:32] nachox: really? isn't red hat the number one contributor to the kernel? [11:32] slackytude : but of course [11:32] ^-^ [11:32] lol slackytude [11:32] thrice`, i meant the virtuozo kernel is patched as hell with unofficial stuff [11:33] aah [11:33] nachox, except parallels have contributed code towards cgroups and namespaces and liblxc [11:33] which are now in mainline [11:34] Ive found kvm always be impressive. the idea that any linux kernel comes with a nice virtual machine is, well, nice [11:34] NthDegree : so to recap. i'm not ragging on your individual points regarding virtualization. i just think 'eewww @ xen' is a bit silly [11:35] >_> [11:35] Action: nachox likes xen too [11:35] eeewwwww @ xen! [11:35] now it is even part of the official kernel [11:35] nachox, huh? [11:35] straterra, grow up [11:35] nachox, no it's not, support to run under Xen is [11:36] it was a joke...ffs [11:36] nachox, i think straterra is joking [11:36] unbunch the panties [11:36] Dom0 support isn't in there [11:36] i know :P [11:36] well, even support for ms hyper-v is part of the kernel ^-^ [11:36] or will be [11:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [11:37] Can I hear everyone say "ewwwwwww" with me? :P [11:37] ewwwwww [11:37] ewwwww [11:37] kewwwwwwwwl :D [11:37] i want to do a pxe linux config o.O [11:38] c-c-c-combo breaker [11:38] Where's the MS Windows support for Xen paravirt in the kernel? [11:38] straterra, and? [11:38] in their kernel* :P [11:39] ah, interesting, i thought the full xen was integrated, it's still a good step forward [11:39] nachox, full Xen will never be integrated [11:40] and..what? [11:40] we'll have to agree to disagree there, you never know [11:40] That's already been made clear because Xen is not Linux virtualisation, it's a separate kernel [11:40] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [11:41] ananke, btw, try sun's xvm ops center, it's like wsus but it supports suse, red hat and solaris [11:42] centos, per chance? [11:43] Billtoo_ (n=chatzill@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Billtoo_ (n=chatzill@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [11:46] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.61.195) joined ##slackware. [11:53] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl50-19.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:57] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-21-241-233.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:58] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [11:59] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.248.197.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:00] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.75.247) left irc: "brb" [12:00] webcammy time anyone? [12:00] its morning now [12:01] No. [12:01] sorry, i'm straight [12:01] I'm good, thanks [12:01] lol [12:01] the gf is cuddling with me..I can get a show anytime [12:02] :| dont blame me then, i asked twice, morning and night [12:02] also asked like 20x last week or so [12:02] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.61.195) left irc: "leaving" [12:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:02] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] thrice`, :D [12:03] no one wants a show.. [12:03] okie dokie :) [12:03] is it possible to get the show with a non-working webcam? :D [12:03] straterra, i only asked cause thrice` said he believed that im someone called "tom", i found that hilarious [12:04] missyjane: seriously, this is a linux support channel. asking if people want webcam shows is retarded [12:04] i think it was you straterra that said im tom [12:04] thrice`, then why bother insulting me left and right for no reason? [12:04] how is calling you a male insulting ? [12:04] missyjane: don't you realise we don't give a fucking flying toss *who* you are or *what* you are. [12:04] BP{k}, i was hoping for that :D [12:04] If you're indeed a guy missyjane then I understand why they refuse a cam session ;-) [12:04] silasgtcs_ (n=silasgtc@189.115.149.40) joined ##slackware. [12:04] lol [12:05] thrice`, because it deviate from channel topic? [12:05] christian (n=christia@kobz-590ef792.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:05] hello [12:05] alienBOB, nah, i never come in and declare "LOOK, IM A WOMAN, A FEMALE", its just when i talk about a topic, i always get peppered with crap like that [12:05] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [12:05] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.248.197.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:05] you flaunt [12:05] missyjane: it doesn't belong here, obviously [12:05] silasgtcs_ (n=silasgtc@189.115.149.40) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:05] lol, uh, so if i come in with a guy name, ill be more accepted in this channel? really? :) [12:06] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.149.40) joined ##slackware. [12:06] no, you have never even mentioned slackware to my knowledge [12:06] :| then you havent been here long enough [12:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] missyjane: longer than you. [12:06] clearly. [12:06] i talked about slackpkg, upgrading between 12.1 and 12.2, kde problem with slack, etc [12:07] BP{k}, well if he doesnt know anything about me, why is the first thing out of his mouth something insulting or something deviating from topic? [12:07] the topic of you doing webcam shows??? seriously? [12:07] sec i show you [12:07] missyjane: I guess the male populace are wary because you proclaimed that you are a transvestite yesterday. [12:07] no, thanks. i'm actually going to walk away [12:07] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [12:08] alienBOB, it was a joke, cause thrice` said something about me being male [12:08] And indeed, offering a cam session is a bit too cheesy for this channel ;-)0 [12:08] I'm offering a cam show..check out my HAWT server..mmmm [12:08] missyjane: any guy can enter this channel with a girl's name... no one knows for sure [12:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:08] I could be a pretty girl for all you know [12:08] so i offered [12:08] I recall missyjane having slackware problems for what its worth. [12:08] straterra: omg, a/s/l? [12:08] xfce4-screenshooter plugin is asking for lib-xfce4panel ..... isn't that installed by default? [12:08] omg [12:08] check this out [12:08] alienBOB: we've seen your pictures. .. so .. no ;) [12:08] Jul 25 19:39:47 Chakravanti: sorry it's so hard to discuss your actual issue, over people who pretend missyjane is actually a female, too [12:09] 4/only over usb/indiana [12:09] BP{k}: who says those are _my_ pics? [12:09] missyjane, yeah that was a good one [12:09] that was yesterday [12:09] missyjane: yes, because I was trying to help someone, but you were spamming the channel with crap [12:09] alienBOB: I do .. obviously :) [12:09] missyjane: I don't really care one way or another, for all I care you are a silly little furry creature with 15 tentacles from alpha-centauri. I care people talking about slackware, not resolving their angst about their nick :) [12:09] alienBOB: those pics were preop :O [12:09] uh, thrice` yesterday nobody talked about anything [12:09] Action: alienBOB is interested now BP{k} ! [12:09] Tentacles? [12:10] lol [12:10] BP{k}, no im just getting tons of insults for no reason [12:10] butmostly from straterra and thrice` [12:10] We established that missyjane is a girl, so that's the end of that. Now, back to slackware business [12:10] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] alienBOB: alt.binary.furry.little.creatures is thataway -> ;) [12:10] oh..you've never tasted my insults [12:11] if 'tom' is an insult..then..dayam [12:11] thank you alienBOB :) i just hope they never bring up that issue again or ill just ask "so webcam? you doubt me so dont blame me" [12:11] straterra, you insulted me before, tons of time < straterra> missyjane, the poster child for sterilization [12:11] That was a rather good line in context [12:11] so how about that lib-xfce4panel [12:11] guys [12:11] and gals [12:12] As much as I like conjecturing about the size of missyjane's penis [12:12] a poster child for sterilization, "tom", i can go on but im too lazy, cause i dont care, i try to ignore these, but today its sunday and i want to relax :| [12:12] i do have a slackware issue [12:12] hiptobecubic, well ask, im gonna go afk [12:12] hiptobecubic: install xfce? the panel comes in the package [12:12] yay [12:12] missyjane, i have been, but it's been swamped by garbage [12:12] thrice`, i'm in xfce now [12:13] hiptobecubic: hmm according to: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/xfce4-screenshooter/ it wouldn't need anythin. [12:13] BP{k}, right. that's what i thought. but it's failing at ./configure [12:13] hiptobecubic: on 64-bit? [12:13] no [12:14] hiptobecubic: -current or 12.2? [12:14] hiptobecubic: can you pastebina build.log please? [12:16] -current [12:16] BP{k}, of xfce4-screenshooter? [12:16] yes, where it is failing. [12:17] hiptobecubic_ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] maybe it's an issue with xfce 4.6.x. There is a newer version of the xfce4-screenshooter available (1.6.0); try that? [12:18] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [12:19] BP{k}, http://dpaste.com/71642/ [12:19] thrice`, that sounds more reasonable... it looks like it wants an outdated lib anyway [12:20] hiptobecubic_: yeah try 1.6.0. that one should work. [12:20] yeah, could be an incompatability. sed -i 's/1.5.1/1.6.0/g' * and try again ;) [12:20] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:21] althuogh in 64bit i have the old one installed [12:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:21] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:22] same error looking for the same file [12:23] on 1.6.0? [12:23] Action: BP{k} goes and pokes [12:23] yes [12:24] odd, the screenshots show it running in xfce 4.6, so it should be compatable (unless they are lying) [12:24] hiptobecubic_: further, it's on -current's xfce? [12:24] yes. And I should also point out that i'm using 64-current on my other box with screenshooter 1.5.1 and had no problems. [12:25] i think it might be a problem with the environment on this particular machine [12:25] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.185) left irc: "leaving" [12:26] yes something is very wrong here. It just failed to find gtk+-2.0 [12:26] :| [12:26] balls. [12:27] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [12:27] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.208) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Nick change: fau__ -> fAu [12:28] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] hi all [12:30] heLLo [12:30] rworkman, ? [12:30] CmdLnKid: you can't send people PM' when they simply say "away" [12:31] CmdLnKid: ^^ [12:31] Action: thrice` away [12:31] wtf script is doing that [12:31] 12:31 no "away" in ##slackware please [12:31] thanks for pointing that out [12:31] I had no that was going on [12:31] fail. [12:32] lol [12:32] your a fail [12:32] just leave the auto-policing to the bot [12:33] CmdLnKid: It's "you're", if you want to retort, you shouldn't fail at basic grammar. :) [12:33] BP{k}, no he was referring to all of the a that thrice` has. [12:33] it was my auto ignore script so I didnt have to pay attention to the stupid fuckheads that think they need to anounce everything they do in their life by changing their nick [12:34] How ironic [12:34] byte me [12:34] Dominian: you around? [12:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] CmdLnKid: in that case i suggest that you teach your script to destinquish between actions and nick changes... [12:38] Ive already taken care of the problem that I wasnt aware existed no thanks for the input [12:38] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.34.191) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:38] what are you talking about? it was completely from our input [12:38] :D [12:39] man, green latern is crap [12:39] No way [12:39] it is [12:39] he's awesome [12:40] that may be but have you seen the First Flight ? [12:40] no [12:40] dont [12:40] its crap [12:40] possibly [12:41] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1384590/ [12:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [12:46] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-165-59.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [12:51] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.185) joined ##slackware. [12:56] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-101-108.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] has anyone here ever installed the punkbuster client on their system? i'm wondering if checkinstall or slacktrack would be able to successfully create a package for it [12:56] i don't want to install it if i won't be able to easily remove it [12:57] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [13:00] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.149.40) left irc: "Leaving" [13:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.35) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Guest27997 (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [13:03] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Nick change: Guest27997 -> Hakudoshi [13:04] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.77) joined ##slackware. [13:05] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.180) joined ##slackware. [13:05] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.77) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] I have one question about instructions, to install one perl program ( correct form in slackware ) is more interesting install for cpan or create packages install .... ( I no have know about default mode in slackware ) [13:06] Slackware mode use cpan or create packages ???? [13:06] bruc3 (n=bwgmvc@201.59.24.206) left ##slackware ("[CyberScript]"). [13:06] (I'm sorry my english) [13:07] demoncyber_, you can use cpan without any problem. I do. [13:08] oh good :) [13:08] ok i have ideia create one slackware package to one program [13:08] but style slack is use cpan :) better i no need create package :) [13:09] thanks hiptobecubic [13:09] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-115.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.208) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:11] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.157.102) joined ##slackware. [13:11] demoncyber_, you can make packages if you'd like, and there are some already at slackbuilds.org. I just use CPAN. [13:13] yes i possible, but is more simple some use cpan :) [13:13] Action: NthDegree is officially an idiot :| [13:14] I've been using explodepkg to make a chroot when I could have just used installpkg with --root [13:14] NthDegree: spill it so we can have a good laugh ;-) [13:14] the updates other things synchronize with cpan. No problem to me :) [13:14] basically I wanted slackware32 in a separate area to slackware64 so I could nab libs and have a 32-bit chroot [13:15] and I could have used installpkg to do it the whole time O_o [13:17] acidchild: ping [13:18] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:19] wow, my system craters hard when it gets unplugged :P [13:20] eviljames, what do you mean? lol [13:20] well, it was running. it got unplugged. it stopped in its tracks. [13:20] hiptobecubic_ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:21] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:21] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [13:22] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-62-138-91.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] eviljames, thought you meant it didn't recover after [13:23] hey , is there way to dynamically set the Band Width usage for mirror-current.sh , from shell scripts point of view i don't think so ! [13:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [13:23] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] init[1]|znc, http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle [13:24] maybe that could help you [13:24] init[1]|znc: if you are on wifi you can use iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M :P [13:24] they even have a link to slackware packages [13:27] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl10-182-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:27] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl10-182-141.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:27] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@bl10-182-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:28] init[1]|znc: are you taling about rsync?, try with '--bwlimit=$BWLIMIT' [13:28] hba: exactly [13:29] i was wondering what will i do with tickle o_O [13:29] zuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup [13:29] yea its possible with tickle [13:29] whats up [13:31] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] slak: nothing much [13:31] macavity haha almost there [13:31] allend (n=allend@CPE-60-230-38-3.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [13:32] hba: what you are talking about is initial rsync useage , what if i wana set it after rsync is executed [13:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:33] i think trickle would do the job [13:33] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] init[1]|znc: if the mirror-slackware script uses rsync, it has an option --bwlimit=[speed] [13:34] eviljames: yea i have set it to use my full bandwidth , [13:35] thing is .. i want to reduce the share to 5KB/s [13:35] and i don't wana restart the script again [13:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [13:36] just wondering if we could set up the limit dynamically [13:36] Slackware 13 mirrors are up already? [13:36] where? [13:36] slackpkg lists them [13:36] do they work? [13:37] i mean , while script is running , i don't think its possoble with bash scripts [13:37] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-3.3/ [13:37] hiptobecubic: silly question - did you try? :) [13:37] my favorite mirror is gone! [13:38] slackware.cs.utah [13:38] allend (n=allend@CPE-60-230-38-3.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:39] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:41] pprkut: got the kernel bugzilla mail? [13:42] oh yeah, we're looking for people on kernel >= 2.6.29 who are having problems with their synaptics touchpad (touchpad not working) [13:42] if you do, see http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13093 [13:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:43] yo fire|bird [13:43] Hey init[1]|znc [13:43] greetings everyone. :) [13:43] greetings fire|bird [13:43] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] y0 slackytude [13:44] hey fire|pidgin :) [13:44] lol [13:44] hey Camarade_Tux [13:47] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Excess Flood [13:47] alkasteve (n=quassel@cpc1-linc10-0-0-cust265.nott.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [13:47] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [13:48] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [13:51] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:54] bah 8% fragmentation factor for /mnt/sda5, I knew it was slow [13:54] (several seconds to remove a *single* file) [13:56] 8% is not much [13:56] I know but doing anything in my home folder is dog-slow while it's snappy in / [13:57] home shows 7.69%, / shows 0.36%, I guess there is room for improvement [13:57] and this is xfs so defragmenting won't be a problem :D [13:58] why is that /slackware-current/slackware/a/tar-1.22-i468-2.tgz is in tgz and others in txz (as per new format) [13:59] compatibility [13:59] init[1]|znc: how do you expect users to update for the new .txz format? [13:59] magic! [13:59] some packages need to remain .tgz for upgrading reasons [13:59] imagine your tar doesn't understand txz, how do you update your tar? :D [13:59] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.228) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Im with thumbs. use magic [14:01] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] why would he use file? :D [14:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [14:03] zmisc (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [14:03] thrice`: so it that package only for upgrade purpose ? or else installer could have a txz supported tar utility right? [14:04] /s/it/is/ [14:05] yes [14:05] init[1]|znc: that, plus a few others [14:05] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Camarade_Tux, I would imagine the packages required to actually extract whatever the new format is remain in the old tarball format. [14:05] aah.. that clear the air ...! [14:06] could make everyone clean install [14:06] why? ;) [14:06] ccfreak2k: yeah, sure [14:06] it's horrible to work on Sunday to a project for Monday :/ [14:08] err, why does my (recompiled) mplayer try to play a video as fullscreen when it's root? [14:08] user error [14:08] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Client Quit [14:08] Action: Camarade_Tux can type mplayer 1 [14:09] user compiled it worng or whatever [14:09] but why does that only appen as root? [14:09] ask the devs [14:09] that's why I was about to do :D [14:11] hi, when will be slackware 13.0rc2 released? [14:11] 30/02/2010 [14:12] (I expect this day to appear because of the epochalyptica) [14:12] Camarade_Tux: yes, got it. Already added to my lilo.conf ;) [14:12] Dominian: :> [14:12] init[1]|znc, if it's tar.....tgz then how to untar it? [14:13] acidchild: sup [14:13] maxote: tar -zxvf [14:13] but tar is inside of tar.....tgz [14:13] pprkut: not using it here, I'm waiting for the bug to appear and then I'll reload i8042.ko without, without, without, with, without, with, without, with that parameter ;) [14:13] Dominian: did you do something to email? [14:13] have not you to extract first tar from tar...tgz? [14:13] acidchild: no.. [14:13] I figured we wouldn't know if the bug goes away with that if we have it in the lilo.conf [14:13] acidchild: your domain and mine are on sep servers remember? [14:14] yep [14:15] Camarade_Tux: heh, I don't have that as module. If it does still appear, it's not helping [14:16] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:16] pprkut: I just made it a module ;) [14:16] btw, forgot to make and make install actually :D [14:17] haha [14:18] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-20-162.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:18] I'd have restarted 70 times, trying to get it fail, and then "oops, not as a module" >< [14:19] pprkut: btw, does it also happen more often when rebooting for you? [14:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [14:19] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [14:23] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Camarade_Tux: lol. Maybe, can't remember [14:31] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [14:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] MVP (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Nick change: MVP -> Guest20697 [14:37] Nick change: Guest20697 -> Hakudoshi [14:37] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [14:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] yosi_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:43] anyone know how to fix this? [14:43] /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. [14:44] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Fatal%3A+No+GLXFBConfig+for+default+depth%2C+this+isn%27t+going+to+work. [14:45] pancakes for all [14:45] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] ty [14:46] who is this winterx [14:46] nix_chix0r: yeah! \o/ [14:46] (except slackytude of course) [14:46] no pancakes for him;o [14:47] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.228) left irc: "leaving" [14:48] :( [14:48] :D [14:48] remember he wanted a hologram of you naked -_- [14:49] yeah, coz holograms are cool [14:49] why not the real thing? [14:50] he didn't want to pay for the plane ticket -_- [14:50] i can build a cylindrical hologram at 7'200 rpm [14:50] christian_d (n=christia@kobz-590d1078.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:51] maxote: anyone can do that - its on youtube [14:51] hmmm, a nix_chix0r hard drive, yeah! [14:51] Nick change: christian_d -> Guest35898 [14:52] hope it doesnt segfault [14:52] might need a total replacement [14:52] remember, the latency of the light is 3.3 ns per meter [14:52] nix_chix0r: always up: available for anyone :D [14:53] maxote: ....that is through a cable, not air [14:53] replace your harddrive platters with pancakes [14:54] it's per meter of fiber [14:54] the hard drive wouldn't last long =/ [14:54] looking at this house http://www.militaryfsbo.com/gethome.php?home_id=nls2342950 [14:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:54] and it's actually more like 5ns [14:55] nix_chix0r: can I get the second bedroom? =) [14:55] i dunoo i need an office:P [14:55] you can have the attic [14:55] moving to St. Louis Mo ? [14:55] nix_chix0r: hmm, it's a bit dusty :p [14:56] we're looking at illinois, colorado, wyhoming. but that's near the base my parents will be stationed at [14:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] they find out where the move to august 16th. jan is there last month in england probally retiring [14:57] i would like them to move to illinois because that's close to familiy in mn but if they move to colorado i might wait a few years [14:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] Nick change: christian -> Guest47677 [15:01] Nick change: Guest35898 -> christian [15:01] colorado has the mountains :D [15:03] holyshit!!! 104 F° [15:06] building a hologram is easy, it's a circular cristal with tricolor pixels triggering to up, when you see the hologram, you see the image moving into up [15:06] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [15:07] if you put a reflector in the top, you won't see the image moving into up [15:07] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EF426.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] the hologram should be a cylindrical box with crystaline dust inside [15:10] or smoke inside [15:11] magic pixie dust? [15:11] Guest47677 (n=christia@kobz-590ef792.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:11] it's exactly identical to test the laser in the night with high humidity, or sun's rays through the dust of the old house. [15:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] the key of the hologram is the dust [15:14] depends on the kind of hologram you do [15:17] the hologram i do can not be seen by the human eye. Only Dolphins and Sharks can sense it. However, I understand it is a spectacular event. [15:19] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [15:19] slak: 104 F where? Sounds like my world. Yet it is only 100 F at the time here. [15:19] dtanner: lol [15:20] rk4n3: =) [15:20] Action: winterx is lurking [15:20] warning ... lurker in our presence. [15:21] winterx: not anymore, since "lurking" implies not making your presence known - that's kinda like shouting "hey everyone, I'm being quiet !" ... heh [15:21] /ctcp YOUR LURKING ARSE /dcc send trojan-horse-from-hell [15:21] that was about the weather [15:22] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [15:23] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] after cleaning the crap in my home folder: fragmentation level of the partition: 1.16% :) [15:24] nice [15:24] Camarade_Tux: you ran an fsck i assume to check for fragmentation? [15:25] dtanner: xfs [15:25] I need to clean up crap all over this machine [15:25] i also need to install this maxtor 1TB hdd [15:25] tar up /home/* wipe /home clean and untar that /home backup and fragmentation will be about 0% [15:26] it was around 7.7% but it definitely felt much slower than anything on my / [15:26] Pig_Pen: cleaning the crap is better ;) [15:26] I freed 30GB [15:26] well, 25-30GB [15:26] I am going to have to tear the damn case apart like a caveman though. I HATE this case ( HP Pavillion ) [15:27] home is 8.9GB, with 6.6GB because of work :D [15:27] my / partition is hurting for space because , stupidly, I did not make a seperate /usr partition. [15:27] 138G 22G 109G 17% /home [15:28] only defragmentation is great ^^ [15:28] Action: dtanner will ALWAYS make a seperate /usr from now on like he used to. [15:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [15:28] dtanner: on my /, /usr is taking like 75%, but why do you want a separate partition [15:29] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: "leaving" [15:29] http://pastebin.com/m65d3d966 [15:29] so / will not be affected by the amount of software i install. It is handier to me. *shrug* instead of making a huge / [15:29] /c [15:29] bah [15:29] humbug [15:30] that too [15:30] dtanner: where do you install? [15:30] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Camarade_Tux: lots of *stuff* that does not come with slackware , especially on my main worksation. not so much on my servers. [15:30] dtanner: yeah, my question was bad [15:30] i install to /usr [15:31] but, if I had / separated from /usr, / would be like 1GB which is pretty pointless for me [15:31] well , you could make / whatever size you want to of course. [15:32] how big would it be for you? [15:32] i just like to make sure that installed software only affects the /usr partition and not / so much [15:32] let me check [15:32] ok [15:32] winterx (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) left ##slackware. [15:33] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:33] how do you tell 'du' to ignore a particular sub-directory ? I forgot . [15:33] i have a /usr/local/share/music that i do not want to count [15:33] when checking the size of /usr that is [15:34] Camarade_Tux: how big would /usr or / be ? [15:34] / [15:35] well, if you put music in /usr/local/share, I guess it's gonna get big pretty quickly [15:36] move that to /home/music if /home is a large & mostly empty disk partition [15:36] I have /usr/local/share/music on its own partition. [15:36] Action: Camarade_Tux ran du for his music [15:37] i have / as 10G and 6 gig of that is in /usr ( excluding the /usr/local/share/music ) [15:37] 180GB :) [15:37] 32G /usr/local/share/music [15:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] /dev/sda7 72G 32G 40G 45% /usr/local/share/music [15:38] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d1078.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [15:38] for a long time I always installed non-official software into /usr/local [15:38] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) joined ##slackware. [15:38] anyone into lftp? [15:38] /home/yosi/Desktop/Music/ 21.8 GB in 4397 files [15:38] i want to fxp a file to a site1 to site2 [15:39] arcsky: yeah it is noce [15:39] nice even [15:39] yeah but how can i do it [15:39] man lftp [15:39] just work with a mirror (dir) [15:39] dont get it to work :/ [15:39] whats the problem [15:39] ? [15:40] don't get it to work is fairly VAGUE [15:40] it send just to my own shel [15:40] not from ftp1 to ftp2 [15:40] shell* [15:40] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [15:41] pastebn what you are wanting to do and what is happening and what 'lftp BLAH --options blah blah' you are using please. [15:41] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:41] get ftp://user:pass@host:port/test/monkey.txt ftp://user:pass@host:port [15:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Usage: get [OPTS] [-o ] [15:42] "-o" [15:42] is a BIG clue [15:42] I would have hoped for the password and the domains ='( [15:43] -o specifies local file name (default - basename of rfile) [15:43] do you want to execute the command from machine A and get from machine B and put it on machine C ? [15:44] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-210-122.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] i want to send a file from site A to site B from my shell C [15:44] with lftp [15:44] I'm hurting bad from that wipe out yesterday [15:44] what happened antiwire [15:45] illuz1oN: there has been large surf and I got into one that blew up [15:45] ouch [15:45] it cracked my neck and down my whole spine yesterday and today I'm feeling it [15:46] Fuck... That's an ouchy. [15:46] it was like instant advanced yoga class [15:46] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] LOL [15:46] arcsky: i have never tried that. you may want to consider using scp or sftp if possible [15:47] where were you surfing antiwire ? [15:48] illuz1oN: ventura/LA county line and the north breaks of ventura yesterday [15:48] cool [15:48] it was firing, head high + [15:48] lol! [15:48] probably maxing around 8-9ft faces [15:48] Ouch. [15:48] Biggest you've seen? [15:48] no way [15:49] the biggest I've surfed in this area has been 12 [15:49] that's starting to max out for me [15:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:54] arcsky: maybe -> -O specifies base directory or URL where files should be placed [15:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:55] arcsky: get [OPTS] [-O ] *shrug* [15:56] arcsky, there are 2 ways do what you want. 1) ssh into ftpa and then 'put' the file to ftpb. 2) 'get' file from ftpa and 'put' to ftpb [15:57] arcsky, do you have shell access to ftpa? [15:57] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [15:58] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [15:58] mirror -r ftp://user:pass@host:port/test/blabla ftp://user:pass@host:port [15:58] that works perfect with dirs, but not with a file [15:58] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EF426.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [16:00] arcsky, do you have shell access to ftpa? [16:00] dive: yeah but he wants to get folrm siteB and put to siteB from siteA in one shot if I am understanding him correctly. [16:00] from* [16:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.1) joined ##slackware. [16:01] no i have no shell access to ftp1 or ftp2 [16:01] get from siteB and put to siteC from siteA(localhost) [16:01] ssh axx [16:01] in one shot [16:01] arcsky, then do what I said above in 2) [16:01] say i want to fxp a file from ftp.slackware.com to ftp.debian.com [16:01] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-163-31.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:02] lagann_ (i=agon@c-24-62-138-91.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] arcsky, ftpa -> local, local -> ftpb [16:03] two steps [16:03] arcsky: arm, why? [16:03] uva (i=bno@118-168-233-27.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] dive: only way? [16:03] arcsky: why file is it? [16:03] s/why/what/ [16:03] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] do you have access to ftp.debian.com ? [16:03] arcsky, unless you have shell access that's the only way I can think of [16:03] nono it was an example [16:03] so is mine :) [16:03] shell access to one of the machines [16:04] no [16:04] if you have shell access on your second one, then you can do it [16:04] yes [16:04] i know [16:04] oh, ok [16:04] but i havent [16:04] qwesder (n=qwe_qwe_@140-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] how can it be that i can fxp a folder and not file [16:04] so wierd for me [16:04] arcsky, check -r in lftp [16:05] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:05] maybe [16:05] i have mirror -r with folders [16:05] Ïðèâåò. Åñòü êòî ðóñ? [16:05] w [16:05] or I think you just 'get' the folder [16:06] Kl0cK (n=klock@bas10-quebec14-1177912744.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:07] what slackware-like 32-bit distros are there? [16:07] ? [16:07] nothing beats Slackware other than Slackware [16:08] u mean , versions ? [16:08] no, i don't mean versions [16:08] Vector, Zenwalk, Absolute are based on Slackware, but i agree with Dominian nothing beats Slackware [16:08] thanks RipVanWinkle [16:09] Dominian: we heard you like slackware, so we installed slackware..in slackware...so now you can slack while you slack! YEAAHH BOII [16:09] well, if someone packaged slackware with a couple of hot babes... [16:09] arcsky, in lftp use the 'mirrot' command [16:09] maxote: http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt93.tar.bz2 [16:09] 'mirror'* [16:09] maxote: that will show you the geneaology of linux distributions [16:09] yes but how to mirror file and not a dir [16:09] ðóñêîÿçû÷íûå åñòü? [16:09] thanks rk4n3 [16:09] antiwire: then my work is done! [16:09] maxote: you can see which ones are "related" to Slackware [16:09] lol [16:10] arcsky, you don't mirror a single file, you 'get' it [16:10] or 'put' it [16:10] ok [16:10] qwesder (n=qwe_qwe_@140-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left ##slackware. [16:10] bad [16:10] maxote: you will probably, however, need a program like inkscape or something similar to view the document (its svgz, vector graphics) [16:10] abd you just asked how to get a folder.... [16:10] qwesder (n=qwe_qwe_@140-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] a file i said [16:11] not a folder [16:11] folders works perfect [16:11] firefox can read svgz files [16:11] 09:04 < arcsky> how can it be that i can fxp a folder and not file [16:11] or rsvg-view [16:11] @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL? [16:11] i can fxp a folder yes [16:11] not a file [16:11] qwesder: english please [16:11] ah I see [16:12] well just 'get' it or 'put' it in lftp [16:12] winterx (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Camarade_Tux, can you read what qwesder said? All I see is a row of '?'s [16:13] ktos (n=ktos@adgi107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Hi [16:13] dive: utf8 ;) [16:13] I have utf8 [16:13] (I thought about telling him most people here won't be able to read that) [16:14] rk4n3, can't firefox? [16:14] I have just bought Intel Dual Core E5200. Tell me please do I need any port of slackware to use it on this processor ? [16:14] dive: really? [16:14] yep [16:14] dive: éèàù? [16:14] in xfce teminal [16:14] maxote: I'm not sure - mine chokes on it (XML parse error) [16:14] Camarade_Tux, yeah I can read that [16:14] Camarade_Tux: I see your letters good [16:14] ktos: slackware 12.2 or slackware-current or slackware64-current [16:15] dive: which font? [16:15] Camarade_Tux, which font you using in which terminal? [16:15] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [16:15] Camarade_Tux, bitstream vera sans mono [16:15] to all, firefox will use an svg plugin if it's installed, and it is in slackware, HOWEVER this plugin is not as good as firefox's built-in support so disable the svg plugin [16:16] (wasn't necessarily true for ff3, but I'm sure it is for 3.5) [16:16] dive: DejaVuSansMono [16:16] hmm [16:16] Camarade_Tux: could you explain me a difference? Is it correct: official slackware supports 32 CPU's and my CPU will work on 32 emulation mode? [16:16] dive: upgrade p [16:16] warning: off-topic and not suitable for work: http://www.yonkis.com/w.php?id=247200913251.jpg [16:16] let me test [16:16] ktos: you cpu can do 32 and 64bit and both slackware(32) and slackware64 will work [16:17] omg lets talk about girls [16:17] rg3: hehe :P [16:18] but she looks terrible on tht pic ;) [16:18] OMG let's lick slak [16:18] Camarade_Tux: I would like to use it on public server, is slack64 safe? [16:18] alice_, see what i mean [16:18] Camarade_Tux, it still shows as ?????????? ???? [16:18] alienBOB, see what i mean [16:18] slak: congrats, you found a third girl to the channel! champagne! :P [16:18] Yeah just showing how pointless it all is :-) [16:19] dive: hmmmmmmmmmmm, ¬âåçþý? [16:19] Camarade_Tux, read that [16:19] can* [16:19] dive: bah :o [16:19] ktos: if you keep your system up-to-date and set it properly, it will be safe (as most other distros) [16:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:20] rg3: it is considered to be against channel policy to break into a slackware support discussion with an offtopic line like that [16:20] alienBOB: ok, i take note, sorry [16:21] rg3, ##slackofftopic [16:21] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-165-237.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:22] Camarade_Tux, I wonder it it's a screen/irssi problem, nut I have both set to utf8.. [16:22] alienBOB, rubbish/nonsense....... you just turn up once and again...... most 40% of logs if you check are offtopic. [16:22] slak: unfortunately I can not be here 24/7 [16:22] try harder [16:22] Camarade_Tux, what is your locale? [16:23] But if I am, I am here to uphold the channel rules [16:23] Camarade_Tux: ah, just notices slack64 is officially Pat approbated, sorry just thought it's unofficial port, so I asked about security [16:23] Camarade_Tux: anyway, thank you a lot for help [16:23] hehe ;p [16:23] dakarn (n=skas@91.80.170.138) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] alienBOB, ok so you're the boss [16:23] dive: what characters can you not read? [16:24] Camarade_Tux: Cesky narod? [16:24] slak: I am not the boss [16:24] dive: en_US.UTF8 here and I can't remember on the shell I'm going through [16:24] ktos: niet? :D [16:24] alienBOB, yes you are ... [16:24] alienBOB, bye [16:24] zaltekk, anything posted by qwesder above [16:24] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [16:24] BenCecka (n=bcecka@ip72-208-162-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Camarade_Tux: which one for curoius, because used slowian chars :) [16:25] does anyone think slack 12.2 will work on a 433mhz w/32m ram? [16:25] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:25] dive: okay. i'm using screen+irssi too, but i am almost positive my .screenrc doesn't enable utf8 [16:25] although i think that irssi has it enabled [16:25] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.155) joined ##slackware. [16:25] zaltekk, so can you read what qwesder posted above? Or does it show as ?????????????? [16:25] ? [16:25] ktos: showed as something doable from ascii on my end [16:26] i can try enabling utf8 in everything and testing it [16:26] as long as you can generate the characters for me to test against [16:26] dive: I see letters, but I can't read them ;) [16:26] Camarade_Tux: ah, sry :P [16:26] Camarade_Tux: we see question marks [16:26] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:26] sec [16:27] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Action: nix_chix0r tickles dive [16:27] took me some time to get that properly set up :p [16:27] nix_chix0r, :-) [16:28] how can I set my display to be used by a proyector? [16:28] Camarade_Tux, strange then... [16:28] Action: edman007 stabs nix_chix0r [16:28] with my vga cable. [16:28] ow [16:28] Jean Reno rulez [16:28] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:28] josefig, usually just plug cable into projector [16:28] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ktos: lol :P [16:28] josefig: which driver are you using? [16:29] Camarade_Tux, that's the problem i used the generic one :p not configured yet [16:29] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl23-125.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:29] hello everyone [16:29] dive: i'm not sure about irssi, but with screen you can use -U or add "defutf8 on" to .screenrc [16:29] Hello world, š±»·¼sÁ± ºyüµ, ³óËÁÏ :) [16:29] josefig: I don't know if vesa can do that [16:30] hba: got two greek words but that's it ;) [16:30] i dont have problem with irssi and utf-8 :) [16:30] oh, I guess slamd64 and slackware64 are different things? [16:30] Camarade_Tux, check this house out http://www.militaryfsbo.com/gethome.php?home_id=nls3107774 [16:30] zaltekk, yeah I already do that [16:31] btw, something like "[]" means you don't have the character in your font ;) [16:31] Camarade_Tux, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Int [16:31] egrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [16:31] well I can read what hba posted ... [16:31] that's my card [16:31] nix_chix0r: you take bedroom1? I'll take bedroom2, 3 and 4 then :D [16:31] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [16:31] the ­ and Ì didn't appear correctly hba [16:31] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:32] try with this, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt [16:32] heheh [16:32] josefig: which version of slackware? and have you run xorgsetup? [16:32] dive: i don't see how to enable utf8 in irssi [16:32] Camarade_Tux, slack 12.2 with kernel 2.6.30 i haven't run xorgsetup yet [16:32] nix_chix0r: it looks nice but it's hard to say from pictures without furnitures [16:32] hba: the correct should be this š±»·¼­Á± ºÌüµ (good evening people) [16:32] true that [16:32] josefig: well, do it [16:33] zaltekk, 'encoding UTF-8' in .screenrc [16:33] zaltekk, ah irssi [16:33] zaltekk, /set term_charset [16:33] josefig: after that, if you start X with the external display plugged in, it should auto-detect it and if you plug it in after X is started and it isn't found, just run 'xrandr -auto' [16:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:34] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if slack12.2's xorg is actually recent enough for this hardware, /me doesn't know much about intel graphics [16:34] ok [16:34] Lord_Khelben: UTF-8-demo.txt says its "Hello world".. but im not sure if thats true :) [16:35] lol, im root and it says: only root can configure X [16:35] :P [16:35] dive: and what string does irssi want? just /set term_charset UTF8? [16:35] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE38B47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:35] you aren't root enough :P [16:35] haha [16:35] zaltekk, utf-8 [16:35] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:35] zaltekk: utf-8 [16:35] lowercase? okay. [16:36] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:36] uhm :/ [16:36] now? [16:36] term_charset = "utf-8"; [16:36] hba: thanks. [16:37] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] Camarade_Tux, what can I do now? it says im not root and i am :s [16:38] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [16:39] hba: does that go into "settings = { ... };"? [16:40] zaltekk: eip. [16:40] zaltekk, do not edit the config by hand! [16:40] josefig: dunno, what does 'whoami' return [16:40] ? [16:41] zaltekk, /set term_charset utf-8 [16:41] root [16:41] :/ [16:41] mom on the phone [16:41] then /save [16:41] ah, didn't know of /save [16:41] dive: screen need "defutf8 on" for UTF-8 [16:41] not "encoding UTF-8" [16:41] sahko, irssi [16:41] can someone try the characters again? [16:41] sahko, ah right [16:42] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] ààà :) [16:42] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:42] but these are easy ones: ÛæÛÔ®©¹«¶ô» [16:42] ³ [16:42] (well, not these but the ones before) [16:42] qwesder (n=qwe_qwe_@140-26-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left ##slackware. [16:43] brb [16:43] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "utf-8" [16:43] ³óËÁÏ [16:43] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't have the proper chars [16:43] theres not much point in reading something you can;t undersand anyway [16:43] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:43] I'm glad that worked for me. [16:44] sahko: unless you're high [16:44] sahko: at least it displays properly, and you can usually get the language [16:44] damn its been 3 days ive been typing in typos [16:44] okay, i could see what hba said this time [16:44] [16:45] Camarade_Tux, can you copy/paste in a pm to me what quasar typed please? [16:45] since I lost it [16:45] lol [16:45] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:45] my lastlog for quasar shows something from 13 hours ago... [16:46] i would copy and paste it, but for me it was just question marks [16:46] or you mean qwesder? [16:46] Camarade_Tux, no qasar, that other dude [16:46] zaltekk: doesn't matter, it would still display properly ;) [16:46] Camarade_Tux, yes [16:46] lmao [16:46] < qwesder> @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL? [16:47] Camarade_Tux, \o/ [16:47] :) [16:47] hm seems russian or something [16:47] is the second character suppose to be an @ with the colors inverted? [16:47] i see a bunch of characters now instead of question marks, but they don't seem correct [16:48] zaltekk, perhaps your font? [16:48] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [16:48] dive: i'm using whatever Konsole defaults to. [16:48] >;>48<8@ 0;03=N: [16:48] zaltekk: looks like pycko... [16:48] tell me please, are slamd64 and slackware64 are different things? [16:49] ktos: yes [16:49] I used to know how to read/pronounce russian =/ [16:49] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [16:49] although they are pretty close [16:49] Camarade_Tux: can you send it again? [16:49] zaltekk: http://i32.tinypic.com/34gkqd3.jpg [16:49] >;>48<8@ 0;03=N: [16:49] antiwire: thanks [16:49] BP{k}: is that the same thing pasted twice? [16:49] as terminal im using urxvt and with terminus-fonts. [16:49] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.75.247) joined ##slackware. [16:50] zaltekk: < qwesder> @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL? [16:50] zaltekk: yes. [16:50] BP{k}: okay. changing Konsole from default to utf8 let me see that mostly [16:50] i see some "[7m@[7mC[7mA" things in Camarade_Tux's paste [16:50] 1241e [16:50] oops [16:50] u1241e [16:50] dam it [16:51] zaltekk, which font are you using? [16:51] all i see are a bunch of question marks ??????????? [16:51] dive: "clean" is what Konsole says [16:51] zaltekk, and did you put 'defutf8 on' in .screenrc? [16:51] dive: yes. [16:51] Action: BP{k} uses terminus [16:51] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [16:51] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:51] me too^ [16:51] zaltekk, and restart screen? [16:51] best console font [16:52] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=57247 :) [16:52] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] sahko: indeed. [16:52] dive: source /home/kenneth/.screenrc [16:52] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] in times like this i love my kvirc :P [16:52] zaltekk, and that says it will use for _new_ windows [16:52] zaltekk, not existing [16:52] oh :P [16:52] i'll be back then... [16:52] hello missyjane, slackytude2 [16:52] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:53] hello Lord_Khelben [16:53] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] okay, restarted my screen sessions as well as irssi [16:54] does it work now ? [16:55] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:55] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:55] Lord_Khelben: well, i'd have to see it again first :P [16:55] zaltekk, @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL [16:55] dive: it went back to all questionmarks...something didn't save correctly in the config =/ [16:56] ñ_ñ [16:56] kejen (n=brian@c-24-1-27-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:56] typing /set term_charset replies utf-8 [16:56] hmm something is wrong somewhere then [16:56] i just verified it in screen also [16:57] irssi is ok, must be screen [16:57] ah [16:57] konsole is set to utf8 [16:57] screen and irssi are also [16:57] PEBKAC! [16:57] check your font [16:57] font? [16:57] it is set to "Clean" in konsole. i don't know how i would check if it has utf8 characters [16:57] he went that way! – ¶ µ— · — [16:58] antiwire, lol [16:58] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] Camarade_Tux: you are french, aren't you? [16:58] zaltekk: as a recomendation, use terminus-fonts .. [16:58] zaltekk, try dejavu [16:58] dive: i just set it to dejavu. can you send the string again? [16:58] I use the liberation fonts. they have almost every object [16:58] zachary (i=1000@adsl-69-208-78-82.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] zaltekk, @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL [16:58] *sigh* [16:58] nope. [16:58] zmisc (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:58] i had better luck before i restarted irssi [16:58] Nick change: zachary -> zmisc [16:58] zmisc_ (i=zachary@216.223.125.188) joined ##slackware. [16:58] bon ben [16:59] I've been running Slackware since about the 9.1 days, but have yet to run -current, what is the best way to update to -current? [17:00] zmisc: 1) download a mirror with rsync 2) read the docs 3) upgrade accordingly to said docs in 2) [17:00] zmisc: slackpkg maybe [17:00] zmisc: I use tukaani pkgtool, it's great. [17:00] zmisc: which version are you currently runnig? [17:00] Slackware 12.2 [17:00] ktos: let's keep it to tools included in Slackware, kthxbai. [17:00] antiwire: how to type in those characters? [17:01] remember there has been a change in the package format [17:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:01] winterx: you need the symbol codes [17:01] dive: okay, let me simplify things. i'll go to my other box and run irssi without screen [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-158.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] In gtk applications I use ctrl+shift+u then hit enter and then enter the code and then hit enter again [17:01] zaltekk_ (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] okay [17:01] i'm still findyng only those standard ones [17:01] can you paste the string, dive? [17:02] Action: zmisc reads how to use rsync [17:02] actually no it's ctrl+shift+u and then enter the code and then hit enter [17:02] zaltekk, @CA:>O7KG=K5 5ABL [17:02] BP{k}: ok, I will try to test some other methods,is slackpkg is usable? [17:02] hba_ (n=hba@189.188.156.231) joined ##slackware. [17:02] dive: okay. at my tty it is just blocks [17:02] ktos: very much so, that's why it's part of slackware. [17:02] ruski jezyk [17:03] zmisc: you could maybe read http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090518&mode=68 [17:03] but typing /set term_charset still shows "term_charset = utf-8" [17:03] BP{k}: I used to use tukaani pkgtool because it's the only tool I know that can download upgrades what you need without your help [17:04] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] it just compares your /var/log/packages with filelists on mirrors [17:04] ktos: slackpkg does that just fine. [17:04] ktos: slackroll does that too [17:04] :9 ;  / › l k j ` abcdefg"  [17:04] BP{k}: hm,didn't know must check it [17:05] what would i look into next? [17:05] k, just found the full list [17:05] antiwire: so you can play solitaire on irc? :D [17:05] kslackcheck also btw but tukaani is the most powerful I ever seen :P [17:05] vt.default_utf8=1 is set in lilo.conf [17:06] http://i31.tinypic.com/n50sgg.png [17:06] Camarade_Tux: lol yeah [17:06] for your curious take a look at it: http://tukaani.org/pkgtools/ [17:06] I find terminus a bit too thin... [17:06] it provies command upgradepkg [17:06] ktos: slackpkg is part of the distribution's main package set. [17:07] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [17:07] ktos: upgradepkg is part of the official pkgtools, but maybe you are refering to some other functionality [17:07] I never used it because it's in extra so I thought it's not Pat's favourite way... [17:07] zaltekk_ (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: ":(" [17:07] ktos: are you really using tukaani's pkgtools with -current? [17:07] yes [17:07] ktos: it's not in extra/ any longer [17:07] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] ktos: it understands .txz packages? [17:07] ktos: it is not in extra in -current and 13 will have slackpkg in the main list [17:07] rg3: ah, sorry, you are right [17:08] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:08] uh .. slackpkg is /already/ in the mainlist. [17:08] antiwire: do you mean slacktrack? [17:09] no [17:09] I mean slackpkg... [17:09] I don't believe tukaani's pkgtools work with .txz packages [17:09] i have slackpkg on 12.2 without accessing extra [17:09] last time I installed slack is 11 so I am outdated :P [17:09] slacktrack is for _building_ packages [17:09] and the last version is two years old [17:09] zaltekk: and so you should. [17:09] BP{k}: and i thought antiwire just said it isn't [17:09] zaltekk: Yeah I was wrong. it is in 12.2 already [17:09] Camarade_Tux: tlz as far as I know [17:09] antiwire: ah, okay :) [17:09] The tukaani pkgtools are no longer being developed. So they do not support our new package format [17:10] LZMA compressed [17:10] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) joined ##slackware. [17:10] zaltekk: I don't run the versioned releases so it all mixes up in my head [17:10] ktos: and lzma isn't xz/lzma*2*! [17:10] im curious, whenever i see something like slax and they say its an offshoot of slackware, what makes that so? isnt slax... slackware? or vectorlinux as another example [17:10] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] Well xz is a spinoff from lzmatools [17:11] missyjane: they have their own set of bugs ;) [17:11] missyjane: SLAX is not Slackware. Period [17:11] missyjane: no. Slax is a live cd that was _once_ based of slackware, but it is not slackware. [17:11] missyjane, no, they usually change things so that who knows what they've done [17:11] alienBOB: yeah but the format is completely different [17:11] We have a flame out! Goose! ÏÏÏ!!! [17:11] Camarade_Tux: perhaps, I am really outdated with linux world last time :P [17:11] a vector linux from what I have seen of it is just an abomination. [17:11] Camarade_Tux: that indeed is why the tukaani pkgtools can not be used with Slackware 13.0 's .txz packages [17:12] BP{k}, i like vectorlinux when i used it [17:12] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:13] missyjane: *shrugs* I prefer Slackware. :) [17:13] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [17:13] I'm really happy about the state of xz, works well, on linux and windows and xz files are supported by 7zip 9 (currently beta) :) [17:14] all slackware deritives fail mizerably IMO [17:14] suse is doing OK [17:14] thrice`: :) [17:14] oh right, but its not nowhere near slackware anymore [17:15] suse is nice, yast is a bit bad and the distro is really heavy but besides that, I think it's a good one [17:15] so that means it doesn't count under "all derivitives?" [17:15] and it gave me a good laugh when it listed X as depending on firefox :) [17:15] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] xcvuerkdia (n=bee@pD9E67203.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] thrice`: no ofc it does count [17:15] ok :> [17:15] hm.. [17:16] if I remember well few years ago I started to use tukaani pkgtool because of frustration of holy craping uncomfortable swaret [17:16] i would exclude live cds as well, like puppy and parted magic [17:17] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.1) left irc: "Leaving." [17:17] suse sucks btw [17:17] well just because it doesnt suit your need doesnt mean it suck [17:17] im sure some ppl will disagree [17:17] atually it's enought it works 2x slower than slackware [17:18] 2x ? no, 3x :) [17:18] no opensource project sucks [17:18] ktos: some people dedicate their time to code it [17:18] its unfair to say "suse sucks" [17:19] :) indeed [17:19] the distros I'd use are slackware > arch linux (probably, haven't tested yet) > opensuse > ubuntu (well, that's roughly) [17:19] well it all comes down to personal opinion at the end of the day... [17:19] go to sleep Camarade_Tux! >:( [17:19] ktos: see this is where you went wrong and started with swaret :) [17:19] ok, you are right, but suse is really bad working IMO [17:19] CRAP...I'VE LOST MY MOUSE [17:19] err soz about that [17:19] dive, indeed that there are some that are "better" than others, afterall, if you have more staff, or if its more popular, etc, it will be "superior", but its unfair to say it "suck" because it doesnt suit your need [17:19] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [17:20] besides Slackware i think Crux is fairly decent [17:20] Nick change: dkwhit -> Chakravanti [17:20] BP{k}: I did it because of no menus :P [17:20] slack > all :) [17:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] it's a bit silly to argue about which distro sucks since we will never agree with someone's personal experience/tastes [17:20] after slack arch is good and netbsd too [17:20] ktos: no menu??? [17:20] how do i navigate with the keyboard? [17:20] I mean no GUI [17:20] ktos: ...... [17:20] that crux is source-based has been a problem when I wanted to try it, can't remember why though [17:21] Action: BP{k} walks away [17:21] Chakravanti: lol, what is the problem? [17:21] i've lost my mouse [17:21] Chakravanti: normally alt+shift+numlock enables mousekeys [17:21] Chakravanti: physicially or logically? [17:21] which lets you navigate with the numeric keypad [17:21] Chakravanti, usbmouse? [17:21] i gave NetBSD a spin last weekend and i liked it [17:21] BP{k}: perhaps I disunderstood manual of slackpkg few years ago if you are shocked :P [17:22] thanks [17:22] yes [17:22] usb [17:22] Chakravanti: and in firefox, tab, shift+tab, Ctrl+page up/down, alt+d, ctrl+t [17:22] Chakravanti, what did you do? Unload psmouse? [17:23] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [17:23] Camarade_Tux: thanks for alt+d :) [17:23] Camarade_Tux, ctrl-alt-backspace works too [17:23] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] ctrl+o too ;) [17:23] dive: errrrr, DIE! [17:23] zaltekk: don't use that :) [17:24] :O [17:24] i know better ;P [17:24] :) [17:24] although i don't know linux very well yet, i know quite a bit of randomly useful information [17:24] it's really funny that in slackware nothing untypical doesn't work if you are not waste 2 weeks and in suse everything works after installation but I hate it after 2 minutes because WIZARDS stole entire ram XD [17:24] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] so you want to come back to unworking slack :D [17:25] ktos, 'unworking'??? [17:25] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.185) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:26] I mean unworking untypical stuff in slackware [17:26] such as? [17:26] I've yet to find something that doesn't... [17:26] I mean "unworking untypical"; can you possibly get any more vague than that? [17:27] i believe he means that slackware isn't preconfigured [17:27] unworking untypical stuff? :) [17:27] like red hat only software, laptops etc [17:27] BP{k}: you beat me to it :) [17:27] laptops, ha ha [17:27] that not slackware problem actually, but linux [17:27] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "night all" [17:27] ktos: so basically you don't have an idea what you're taling about? [17:27] my laptop works fine with slackware [17:27] 'red hat only software'? [17:27] laptops? I run Slackware on my laptop and everything single part works. [17:27] here, works too :) [17:27] I have had 3/4 laptops work perfectly with Slackware.e [17:28] all i had to do was add a single quirk to the power management configs to get suspend working [17:28] which no distro will do for you [17:28] I run -current on a T21 - if that works then I don't what wouldn't [17:28] my laptop also work, but after 2 weeks of installation :P [17:28] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-168-234-251.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] it's really weird [17:28] ktos: that probably sais more about you then about slackware. [17:28] Camarade_Tux: is there any firefox keyboard shortcut to open the preferences dialog that you know of? [17:28] but I still prefer slack than suse [17:28] I'm running Slackware 12.2 on a Gateway FX P-7805u [17:29] zaltekk, how is that working for you? any kde problem? [17:29] zaltekk, mhz? [17:29] what program do i use for text editor? [17:29] im used to using gedit [17:29] vi of course [17:29] dkwhit: *vi* (* as wildcard) [17:30] dkwhit, vimtutor [17:30] dive: hmm? i've got a Core 2 DUO 2.26Ghz [17:30] zaltekk, nice [17:30] nvidia 9800m tgs and 4gb of ddr3 ram [17:30] 1920x1200 17" lcd [17:30] it's large :P [17:31] missyjane: everything works. [17:31] wow. that would cost as much as a car :P [17:31] zaltekk, hm... strange [17:31] sahko: Alt+e, Alt+n [17:31] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [17:31] i spent about $1,100 [17:31] has anyone here tried 64 slackware? [17:31] BP{k}: evim? :D [17:31] ah not much [17:31] Action: Camarade_Tux on slackware64 [17:31] it was a very great deal [17:31] missyjane: i am on 64 too [17:31] Camarade_Tux: doesnt work [17:32] Lord_Khelben, how do you like it? [17:32] you could expect to spend $700 more for the same thing [17:32] Camarade_Tux, how do you like it? [17:32] i always thought 64 would be plagued with problems because 64 is not mainstream.. yet [17:32] missyjane: like slackware32 :) [17:32] its great [17:32] BP{k}: if orginal ATI drivers doesn't work it means thats linux problem, not me [17:32] missyjane: as slackware32 plus some speed in some programs :) [17:32] BP{k}: 5 years ago 1920x1200 laptops were not typical... [17:32] sahko: can you see the menubar? and is firefox in english? [17:33] hmm.... the only and absolutely ony benefit i can see in 64 is more ram, thats.. it [17:33] you don't have skype/wine/etc yet but alienBOB said when 13.0 is out he will write a wiki about it [17:33] ktos: if you are not being specific about what doesn't work and I am gonna make up stuff, than *that* is your problem :) [17:33] but there are tons of downside [17:33] other than that everything works like 32bit [17:33] Camarade_Tux: yes but i use tiny menu. that might be the problem [17:33] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) left irc: "BitchX: it does a body good" [17:33] sahko: are some letters underlined? [17:34] missyjane: apps are supposed to use slightly more memory and have larger side. thats is the downside but as a user you never see that [17:34] s/larger side/larger size/ [17:34] missyjane: on linux, you won't get many downside nowadays, and even on windows (I've gamed a lot on win7 x64 beta this year) [17:34] Downside to 64bit Slackware? Tell me about it [17:34] Camarade_Tux: yes of course. but alt+f for example doesnt work. and so do the ones you gave me [17:35] sahko: maybe tiny menu is bad then [17:35] alienBOB: i never noticed anything :) everything works [17:35] alienBOB, let me see, 1 - you have to rewrite app, 32 come before 64 if there is a problem, so you have to wait longer, 2 - more ram but then again programs use more ram, and you dont even benefit from all the ram because most mobo "trim" the ram, so you dont get trillions of rams to uses [17:35] alienBOB: do you know if theres gonna be GRUB in Slackware 64? i dont use it, just curious. PS. yes i know it doesnt build [17:35] 3 - compatibility issues with drivers and hardwares [17:35] i just name 3 big problems, the rest are tiny details but enough to make most users stay with 32 [17:36] missyjane: the motherboard won't trim the ram [17:36] and point 1 is solved now [17:36] missyjane: if the driver/hardware is opensource it should work fine in 64bit [17:36] does slackpkg can download pkgs from Internet? [17:36] rewrite applications? [17:36] and drivers are good on both linux and windows [17:36] only for closed source there is a problem [17:36] ktos: afaik, yes [17:36] I like windows btw :) [17:37] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [17:37] It is only a matter of rebuilding in most cases [17:37] ktos: yes. That's exactly it's strongpoint .. see the /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file. [17:37] missyjane: virtually all modern open source software supports 64bit as well as 32bit hardware [17:37] well, you have to rewrite applications that make assumptions on the size of pointers :) [17:37] there is not slackware's linux time wasting problem [17:37] the only problem i found in 64bit (and its not slackware's fault) is avidemux-2.5.0 [17:37] ok, thanks :) [17:37] it is a rewrite and has most paths hardcoded so you need to grep 100 files to find where to change lib to lib64 [17:38] BP{k}: what about slapt-get, Pat also mentionet it years ago [17:38] it doesn't honor LIB_SUFFIX nor LIB_INSTALL_DIR in cmake [17:38] Camarade_Tux, no it trims ram, the company does it, im reading mike meyers A+ and he talks about this indepth, they do this because its a waste of resource on the companys part and most ppl will never ever use more than said rams [17:38] lawd [17:38] Lord_Khelben: 2.4.4 of avidemus works [17:38] alienBOB: yes < 2.5.0 works fine [17:39] missyjane: what do you mean by "trimming"? [17:39] 2.5.0 was a rewrite and everything was made modules and apparently the messed with the cmake files too [17:39] alienBOB: i modified your slackbuild and patch. if you want to give it a look i can dcc it to you [17:40] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Camarade_Tux, gah! i was hoping you wouldnt ask, basically the more ram you can use, the more real estate required on mobo, so the mobo companies estimate how much most ppl would MOST LIKELY use, (in 64 ram can go as far as tb, like 1tb is ABOUT (bad estimate) 1000gb or so and most would never need this much so they trim it) [17:40] the mobo companies say you can use say 100tb (but youll never ever buy or use that much ram to begin with so its just marketing gimmick [17:41] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-165-59.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] hi all [17:41] i didn't understand it [17:41] missyjane: you mean they oversell? :P [17:41] gtl: hi [17:41] isn [17:42] isn't ram limited by the chipset ? [17:42] Camarade_Tux, :) yep [17:42] rather have extra room for more RAM than not enough, = rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it [17:42] Lord_Khelben, bah id have to re-read the whole chapter, it talks about this indepth like i said, on difference between 32 and 64, i just know it can go really really really really really high [17:42] like 24gb for the x58 and 8gb for the RipVanWinkle, well false sense of security [17:42] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:43] what false sense of security? its just practical for unforseen needs of the future [17:43] missyjane: but the limits are ok, at least 16GB on any mobo now [17:43] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [17:43] 640k is enough for anyone ;p [17:44] hehehe [17:44] lol :p [17:44] xcvuerkdia (n=bee@pD9E67203.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] remember that? [17:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeps" [17:44] RipVanWinkle, in the hardware world, there is no such thing as "futureproofing", just ask the pros in ##hardware :) [17:44] Nick change: dkwhit -> Chakravatni [17:44] you cant futureproof, so you cant say "just in case i need more.." [17:44] Nick change: Chakravatni -> Chakravanti [17:44] as a home user, youll never use anything remotely close 1tb of ram [17:45] come back in ten years and say that [17:45] i dont think even supercomputer uses 1tb of ram today... [17:45] now the wheel works too [17:45] 10 years is a long long time [17:45] cause you might not even be alive in 10 years, so many things could happen [17:45] we could completely abandon computer and use something else, anything could happen :| [17:45] even in 10 years, you won't use 1tb for anything else than cache [17:45] in 10 years we will be using brain stem cells for ram [17:45] probably lol dive we can already levitate objects with our mind [17:46] raw_withoneunder (n=ilove@p548736F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] actually according to many people the world will be destroyed in 2012 :PPP [17:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MFOduNUE8U this is real btw [17:46] hahah 2012 oh noes! [17:46] actually that'd mean memory would double each year so it's possible [17:46] Lord_Khelben: According to others it already ahs been [17:46] (altough ten years ago we had like 128MB and now <4GB [17:47] ) [17:47] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [17:48] according to the Mayans quetzalquatal the cosmic serpant is going to destroy the world on dec. 21 2012 [17:48] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.160.72) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] hah? oh man, if the world is destroyed, im gonna die a virgin [17:48] but anyway thats not true, it has been debunked, its jjust the calendar resetting [17:49] yeah [17:49] RipVanWinkle: they extinced, lol [17:49] missyjane: you have 3 years till that :) [17:49] whew.. there for a minute I thought I was alone! [17:49] quasar: where are you living? [17:50] Camarade_Tux: the home of the newest Hard Rock Casino (and Hotel) [17:50] Tulsa, Oklahoma [17:50] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:50] i wonder how did they get there.. [17:51] still no Cafe though :( [17:51] quasar: oh, perfect, you can go see missyjane nearly quickly [17:51] :P [17:51] RipVanWinkle: turns out people also thought jesus christ was going to be with us till the end of time. Turn out to be a mistranslation. [17:51] probably mixing astronomy, astrlogy and peyotls is not a good idea [17:51] Camarade_Tux: I dont think my scooter would make it [17:52] Chakravanti: i am an atheist, i dont believe in any god [17:52] quasar: buy a bike :D [17:52] a moped! [17:52] Camarade_Tux, he isnt military or a scientist... or even near ny lol no [17:52] winterx, peyotls you mean peyote? [17:52] aetheism is just as mucha religion as any other [17:52] peyote, yes [17:52] ah [17:52] it takes just as much faith to believe there is nothing beyond what you can prove [17:52] Chakravanti, :) truth, noone knows if there is a god or not [17:53] retired military, actually [17:53] quasar, LIES [17:53] atheism to religion is like hair color is to bald [17:53] as to believe there is somethin [17:53] missyjane: what about that: he enrolls and boards on the coast? [17:53] :O [17:53] quasar said he isnt military in pm [17:53] its true.. [17:53] he can become! [17:53] I'm not in the military [17:53] truth is, that you have fallen victim to the corruption of logos [17:54] missyjane: since you want to marry a guy in uniform marry a NYC fireman or cop [17:54] Chakravanti, i was hoping people woudl realize not to fall either extreme [17:54] RipVanWinkle, no, i dont want no stupid police or firefighter, give me a MARINE, hoorah [17:54] where God is nothing more than a word people use to describe the paterns behind that which they do not understand [17:54] Chakravanti, :) indeed [17:54] whether or not someone actually interacted with these ancient peoples is an entirely other matter [17:54] urgh, it is hot as balls outside. cigar+beer+balcony=gravy [17:55] or in the other way it could be fun [17:55] :D [17:55] the titles 'god' and 'lord' are just presitigous titles [17:55] to forces beyond our CURRENT understanding [17:55] http://pastebin.com/m616ba04a [17:55] win ^ [17:56] read Chariots of the Gods, by VanDannikan, it is possible that primitive people's thought extraterrestrials were gods [17:56] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:56] this is true wherever we live, regardless of our belief [17:56] there are signs everywhere. This is human intellect, to make associations and recognize patterns [17:57] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl23-125.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:57] RipVanWinkle: a lot of people have written about the 'ancient astronaut' theory as it's been come to be called [17:58] RipVanWinkle: possible? it's likely. and that's probably why the aliens won't be back for another hundred thousand years or so. [17:58] its more plausible than the young earth intelligent design crap [17:59] the probability of a naturally evolving species on a planet to be contact by interplanetary aliens is actually relatively miniscule at any age of the universe [17:59] well noone really knows anything do they... [17:59] it's all conjecture and assumptions [17:59] sn00zer (n=Jason@97.93.240.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] leying under the clear, starfull sky, in a warm summer night and experiencing a huge bsod halucination [17:59] i dont believe the ET theories either, just that it is more plausible [18:00] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/voynich_manuscript.png [18:00] but as the universe gets older and the intelligent consituents inevitably invent genetic engineering and interstellar travel, the amount of synthetic life generated as offspring in a way of alien species begins to increase rapidly, at least....in the scale of billions of years [18:00] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [18:00] i believe humans evolved from more primitive species (evolution theory at least it has solid evidence to back it up [18:01] so if it takes life 5-6B years to evolve to intelligence capable of interstellar/intergalactic travel...and our universe is 13B years old... [18:01] in most civilizations the dominant god is the sun. theres nothing extraterrestrial with that [18:01] what do you think is the technological standard and population of consciousness at this age of the universe? [18:01] sahko++ [18:02] sahko - most mythology from cultures world wide is actually a localised reiteration of the same stories [18:02] Action: dive is gonna throw some chicken on the camp fire [18:02] technically the sun is extraterrestrial, because it is not terrestrial (on earth) [18:03] sahko - this has led me to believe that either one ancient epic saga occur between 'the gods' whatever/whoever they may be or from whereever.....or it is an encrypted description of psychological processes and archetypal function [18:04] Where astrology is not something that governs our lives, but a calander set forth by a peoples with a great understanding in the standard cycles of the evolution of consciousness [18:04] all forms of faith are supose to full the empty place for knowledge [18:05] dive is right, vittles sounds good about now [18:05] winterx you must understand the evolutionary value of faith [18:05] religion has served the survival of many specific peoples [18:05] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.142.197) joined ##slackware. [18:06] religion has also caused war murder and theft on a grand scale [18:07] uh [18:07] Chakravanti is correct [18:07] without religion, most of you would be dead [18:07] religion was used to control alpha males in the past [18:07] We have to remember the time scale issue when humans talk about intelligent beings on other worlds. On Earth, we've only had the ability to send radio signals for around 200 years. We also estimate Earth to be around 4-6 billions years old but of that time frame, humans have only been able to send a receive radio waves over the last 200 years. This means that for another intelligent civilization to be able to detect us using radio, they would [18:08] the problem is that our earliest radio signals haven't had time to propagate far enough through space yet. [18:08] antiwire, what would preclude an advanced species/civilization having 'seeded' the earth eons ago? [18:09] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.142.197) left irc: "leaving" [18:09] missyjane bullshit [18:09] our radio signals will fade in to the noise by the time they leave the solar system [18:09] missyjane it is simply that ANOTHER religion would have survived [18:09] RipVanWinkle: No, they would not. [18:09] antiwire, but just because we took 4-6 billion years to evolve to radio, it does not mean that other civilisatons took the same time (if there are any). It would come down to their environment and other things. [18:10] religion is a tool of the lords to pacify the masses [18:10] antiwire, ahh, but people forget, there is a finite distance that the signals can efficiently travel [18:10] Chakravanti, which statement is bullshit? that religion was used to control alpha males? [18:10] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [18:10] antiwire, also if the dinosaurs weren't wiped out, would we have evolved to this stage at all? [18:10] no thats a fact, check out "Selfish Gene" by richard dawking [18:10] dawkin [18:10] wtf is an alpha male? [18:10] without religion most of you would be dead [18:10] dive: the verdict is still out on that. [18:10] dive and no, we wouldnt, because we wouldnt have enough oxygen [18:10] the very oldest signals sent out by us don't really have the power to be detected at great distance [18:10] anything is still just speculation on that dive [18:10] sahko, leader male [18:10] Chakravanti, thats a fact, the mere fact that most of us are here and not doing physical goes to show we wouldnt know how to survive [18:11] sahko alpha male = the leader, the man, the sexy, the model, the guy who takes on lead, the ceo, the head, etc [18:11] my exbf is in the marines, hes an alpha, an officer, etc, men listen to him [18:11] no, it is simply that another religion would destroy the rest [18:11] oh, the male [18:11] alpha male has been demonstrated [18:11] no not just male [18:11] there is no alternative [18:11] our own sun is capable of making enough radio noise to drown out signals right here on earth [18:11] antiwire, that's the thing though - everything is speculation and assumptions [18:11] because most male would die, there are something called beta male [18:12] sahko, often with pack animals there is only one male that actually mates with the females in the pack [18:12] edman007: that's assuming that another intelligent civilization would be using the same technology as we are though and we can't make that assumption. My personal approach is to be very pessimistic about it. [18:12] RipVanWinkle: wouldn't that also mean that radio telescopes couldn't possibly work? (yet they do) [18:12] Chakravanti, religion has demonstrated its use, just as alchemy has (and each subject will evolve) [18:13] Action: winterx just fullscreened his terminal [18:13] just like philosophy is the foundation and basis of math, without it, there would be no math [18:13] they work because the universe is a very noisy place, those other stars make plenty of radio noise [18:13] so yes religion was important and today will serve as a reminder, be it good or bad [18:13] antiwire, no, the max distance is a function of the power, at some distance the background static becomes stronger than the signal, at that point its impossible to separate the signal from the static [18:13] remember the Voyager space crafts? 5watt tranmitters and a billion miles out yet still heard. [18:13] no it's impossible for us [18:13] but that's not just it missyjane, it's not an obselete function that we once used as a crutch [18:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] you're assuming that what we know is the only way [18:14] i think the human race has outgrown religion and it should be discarded like an old shoe [18:14] raw_withoneunder (n=ilove@p548736F6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:14] Chakravanti, we still use tons of "obsolete", like unix, for example in the tech world [18:14] its not entirely useless, and it can help with spirituality [18:14] RipVanWinkle, i agree, and with newer generation that will happen [18:14] Religion is the ultimate control device [18:14] RipVanWinkle, some of us might have, but there are billions of people that 'believe' [18:14] InspectorCluseau, it is because people fear what they do not know and i dont blame them [18:14] agree [18:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:15] missyjane religion was an encrypted metaphor to preserve certain very important knowledge that has been subjected to a PR campaign that demonizes religion as being an instrument of mind control because it was overtly hijacked to do just such [18:15] zmisc_ (i=zachary@216.223.125.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:15] antiwire, no, the static is defined as mathematically random, and the static does not change with distance, while the signal sent out does. Weather or not any technochology can detect it is dependent on if there is a non-random signal, if the static is too strong it completely impossible to detect it, not just with our tech, it is mathematically impossible [18:15] ... lol ? what? mind control? [18:15] agree [18:15] Jung once said that the primary purpose of religion is to prevent people from achieving spirituality [18:15] missyjane, YES mind control [18:16] we can make our signal go further with narrow band directional things, and we do that [18:16] hell the very word governemnt MEANS mind control [18:16] Govern - Mente [18:16] Chakravanti, haha, are you anti-govt? [18:16] we need the govt :) [18:16] no, i'm an etymologist [18:16] but the very oldest devices were very wide band omnidirectional transmitters, and as such would have a fairly limited distance [18:16] edman007, the inverse square law is universal [18:16] Chakravanti, im pretty sure carl jung said it in a different context [18:16] i dont want to play semantics Chakravanti, not in mood for that at all [18:16] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] missyjane, it is not that we NEED governemnt, it is that governement is INEVITABLE [18:17] greetings and salutations [18:17] we need the govt [18:17] howdy [18:17] andarius, hi, long time no see [18:17] sorry but we do :) [18:17] dive: been on the road for work :( [18:17] and salutations ;) [18:17] ah [18:17] InspectorCluseau, and the background static does not act as a point source of radio waves [18:17] you're making generalized statement irrelevent to the context of the psyche [18:18] if we did not have government and law & order all that would be left is chaos and anarchy [18:18] all 'static' has to have an original source [18:18] Chakravanti, you are talking about mind control for gods sake, like, "look at this pendulum watch... now say chicken 4 times and you will turn into a chicken" [18:18] RipVanWinkle: temporarly [18:18] take a look at Somalia if you want to see what happens to a society without an effective government [18:18] missyjane good mind control techniques are much more subtle, and much more personal [18:18] missyjane, there are other forms of mind control other than hypnotism and the like [18:18] most people would have died by now, without religion, doesnt matter what religion it is, if thats a hard fact to accept, too bad, you have to look at this from an evolutionary perspective [18:19] hypnotism and etc, are all junk and fake [18:19] yes [18:19] and if you disbelieve in mind control then why is advertising the largest monies industry in the US [18:19] marketing and advertisement = NOT mind control [18:19] but education can also get people to believe certain things [18:19] just like trying to influence someone, some people, is not mind control [18:19] and so can religion [18:19] people still have the choice to say "nope" [18:19] InspectorCluseau, yes, it does, the static source is the big bang, and thus the source appears to everything in the universe as coming from infinity towards the detector [18:20] why the fuck would wise businessmen who know all about making money and keeping it spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year on it? [18:20] as matter of fact, as someone who studied marketing, do you have ANY idea what goes on in marketing? cause when i read those textbook, it talks nothing about marketing [18:20] If it was bullshit psudeoscience... [18:20] listen to me, marketing is NOT pseudoscience, it has actual science behind it [18:20] secondly [18:20] here is how marketing work, for those new to marketing like you [18:20] Exactly my point [18:20] missyjane, when you are 3 or 4 and your parents take you to church, would you have the ability to say 'no, I can't believe this'? [18:20] there is something called marketing 101 [18:20] err marketing research [18:20] basically you go out and find out common problems in a particular product [18:20] Marketing isn't just saying 'hey i have this for sale, do you want it?' [18:21] exactly but you are saying it is [18:21] and finding different places to say that [18:21] you are saying marketing is mind control [18:21] it is more than that [18:21] no.. [18:21] it is about technique [18:21] marketing is about selling to people what they need [18:21] social observations [18:21] but the use of the word mind control is ridiculous [18:21] nobody is going to control my mind and make me do things [18:21] just search YouTube for "George Carlin Religion is Bullshit" if you want a great perspective on religion [18:21] and grasping a statistically sound quantities of people [18:21] what they want in some cases. [18:21] people's attention [18:21] if mind control was real, the us govt would have used it on guantonamo bay [18:21] marketing is about saying 'look this is what Mr.Jones is using. You should have one too.' [18:21] missyjane: yes? like in all of those tvshops? [18:21] instead of torture [18:22] InspectorCluseau, "The cosmic microwave background is isotropic to roughly one part in 100,000: the root mean square variations are only 18 µK" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#Features [18:22] dive thats not marketing [18:22] missyjane - You're saying they didn't? [18:22] you're saying torture and abuse aren't forms of mind control? [18:22] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:22] of course they are [18:22] -.- [18:22] stockholm's syndrome is just bullshit psychiatric psuedoscience? Psychology is bullshit huh? [18:23] mind control is bullshit [18:23] stockholme syndrome is NOT mind control [18:23] Manson just got lucky and found a few desperate bitches? [18:23] what about having a religion shoved down your throat before you are old enough to think for yourself [18:23] Jim Jones convinced almost a hundred people to commit suicide [18:23] sigh [18:23] but mind control is bullshit [18:23] because they were idiots [18:23] Korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:23] and education will save you? [18:24] no op has stepped into this conversation yet? [18:24] Chakravanti: you're using an invalid arguement [18:24] Action: zmisc abserves another debate [18:24] you can make an idiot of every single person on this planet [18:24] those people had a choice btw, the women that are in jail actually came out in 2008 and said "they knew they had the choice to not do it but htey did it anyway" [18:24] having the presence of mind to think for yourself can save you most of the time [18:24] Chakravanti, i thought you were a reasonable person, now you are just spamming and cursing and swearing instead of presenting an arguable case [18:24] Korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware. [18:24] actually andarius is right, education CAN save you [18:24] mind control, like hypnotism is fake, however marketing and advertisement are NOT mind control and have nothing to do with it [18:24] forum.rickyross.ort [18:25] forum.rickyross.org [18:25] being an idiot has little to do with education [18:25] domain not found [18:25] at least in that scope [18:25] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177919848.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:25] I have met several well educated morons in my time [18:25] so have i [18:25] i live in nyc [18:25] missyjane, actually.. that depends [18:25] intelligence can be measured in a myriad of ways andarius and it can exist in a myriad of ways that cannot be measured [18:25] NthDegree, what depends? [18:26] mind control imply that you lost your will [18:26] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:26] and that will is controlled by someone else [18:26] marketing is trying to influence you to buy a product based on a set of problems you may have [18:26] how do you actually _know_ anything [18:26] forum.rickross.com [18:26] missyjane, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUW-frxo2X4 [18:26] thats why you market to a group of audience, NOT "with this ad, we will mind control these peopel to buy it" [18:26] sorry about that [18:26] missyjane: no, that's not about it [18:26] rockyrock (n=rockyroc@90.153.144.249) joined ##slackware. [18:26] missyjane, that is real mind control (as opposed to hypnotism) [18:27] but i'll keep that as a secret [18:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [18:27] missyjane you can describe it with whatever pretty words you want but it's still the ability to influence a wide margin of the masses [18:27] you are the one that said you wanted to play semantics Chakravanti [18:27] and their decision making process [18:27] i said i wasnt in mood for it [18:27] influence is NOT mind control [18:27] all your brain cells are belong to slackware... poor slackware :( [18:27] if you force me to sign a piece of paper, is NOT the same as if you convinced me to sign a piece of paper [18:28] mind control is making you believe something [18:28] can you NOT see the difference? [18:28] actually....influence:mind control::hot:cold [18:28] seriously? [18:28] or act in a certain way [18:28] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [18:28] What's the best book about Slackware? [18:28] god that is a horrible analogy [18:28] they are but measurements of the same thing [18:28] yes [18:28] this is hilarious [18:28] rockyrock, slackbook.org [18:28] its not the best [18:28] but it still applies [18:28] rockyrock: #slackware@freenode [18:28] where terms like influence and mind control take on 'moral' connotations [18:29] im not gonna even bother, go believe that mind control is real while the us govt struggle to convince people to tell them where bin laden is [18:29] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-50-192.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] because mind control does not exist [18:29] vague references to insideous plots and tragic ends [18:29] no such thing,i cant believe people believe hynoticism is real [18:29] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177919848.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] rockyrock: there is no "best" because no book can read your mind to determine what exactly you're wanting to do, unless you wrote it yourself :) [18:29] okay...here's some proof mind control exists [18:29] go read http://www.amazon.com/Influence-Psychology-Persuasion-Robert-Cialdini/dp/0688128165 [18:29] missyjane, we aren't talking about hypnotism [18:29] why do you like slackware? Why not Ubuntu, Debian and others> [18:30] ? [18:30] it talks about all the cult and how it worked (like the vietnam war and how soldiers were forced to do a certain thing) [18:30] dive it seems like Chakravanti is [18:30] saying advertisement and marketing is mind control is very insulting to me [18:30] rockyrock: originally? I liked it because it worked, and worked well.. when it screwed up it was because of my own actions, not some automated script that someone else wrote.. [18:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg [18:31] i like slackware because a magic Penguin brainwashed me to like Slackware, hallaujah amen :D [18:31] this is a demonstration of the skills of darren brown [18:31] missyjane, well my idea of mind control is influencing people to act in a certain way, or believe a certain thing. Good examples are education, religion, government and advertising. [18:31] and UK reknown Mentalist [18:31] "Perhaps the most frequently thought of example of mind control is hypnosis, a widely accepted practice often used for entertainment and psychological assessment." [18:31] most common definition dive [18:31] mind control is NOT influence [18:31] The field of Mentalism is an intuitively applied branch fo psychology [18:31] with influence, you still have your will, with mind control you do not [18:31] the news.. TV is the ultimate type of brainwashing [18:31] If you want to look at this from a different point of view, from the legal point of view, you'll notice that courts very rarely find in favor of any defense claiming 'mind control made me do it' and the situations when the a court finds in favor of that defense are usually cases where the defendant has a medically documented past of mental illnesses. [18:31] stop brainwashing me! [18:32] as is school of course [18:32] rockyrock, Ubuntu is full of resource-wasting python applets, Debian does not support software for long enough (they even announced they will not support Firefox if it changes too much without being able to backport fixes) [18:32] rockyrock: now I can say I like it because when I google a howto 99% of the time it's for debian or ubuntu.. which means I have to learn how to do it on my own.. it's the whole learning process ;) [18:32] Debian does not support FireFox anyways [18:32] rockyrock, Fedora uses even more RAM than Ubuntu and the security found in it has been superseded by superior solutions [18:33] kitche, i'm referring to IceWeasel [18:33] are there any supposes when slack 13.0 will realeased? :) [18:33] missyjane, as far as I'm concerned influence is a form of mind control [18:33] this video demonstrates one of the things darren brown accomplishes his skills. mind control isn't a helmet than makes your a robot. It's a skill based on the ability to control an individual's perception and thus influence the factors that go into their decision making process. It is also the ability to know the formula's those factors will go through [18:33] indirect suggestions of qaulity magnitude are great you can make a lot of things happen if your a master [18:33] but then, I dont use packages/slackbuilds very often lol [18:33] NthDegree: then state IceWeasel since Debian does not support Firefox anyways [18:33] dive the way marketing work is merely saying, if you have 100 people, only about 50 will buy your product because only 50 of them will be female, for example, and your product will solve their prooblem [18:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.180) left irc: Connection timed out [18:33] dive it is not, mind control, again look at this definition "Perhaps the most frequently thought of example of mind control is hypnosis, a widely accepted practice often used for entertainment and psychological assessment." [18:34] however marketing is NOT mind control, take it from me, i used to do some modeling [18:34] i didnt go around with a pendulum watch [18:34] If you wish to learn more about REAL SCIENTIFIC MIND CONTROL. Get some books on and study, MLP. Nuerolinguistic programming. [18:34] NLP is fake too [18:34] lol [18:34] NLP [18:34] hahaa [18:34] NLP is hilarious because the authors that made NLP sued each other [18:34] Did you even watch the video missyjane? [18:34] NthDegree: Is Fedora bad in security? [18:34] kitche, they're the same software under two different names - when you install the firefox metapackage you get IceWeasel [18:34] Chakravanti, which video? [18:34] http://www.skepdic.com/neurolin.html [18:34] rockyrock, no it's good in security - better than most distros by default [18:34] so what? Priests molest children but it doesn't detract from the wisdom inherent in the bible [18:35] read the postscript btw Chakravanti lol [18:35] can i ask a question? [18:35] NthDegree: not really the same software if you ever looked at Debian patches [18:35] NthDegree: Better than Ubuntu and Debian? [18:35] "postscript: On a more cheerful note, Bandler has sued Grinder for millions of dollars. Apparently, the two great communicators and paradigm innovators couldn't follow their own advice or perhaps they are modeling their behavior after so many other great Americans who have found that the most lucrative way to communicate is by suing someone with deep pockets." [18:35] winterx: of course [18:35] missyjane, 'the most frequently _thought_ example...' That is because for most people, yes they think of hypnotism because they are brought up to know that. Another popular one is brainwashing. [18:35] that's so rediculous [18:35] hahah i cant believe you fall for nlp, pendulum watches, etc [18:35] are you all out of your minds? [18:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.163) joined ##slackware. [18:35] In general guys, What's the most secure and stable Linux distro? [18:35] dive haha, ok, go on, believe in pseudoscience [18:35] because NLP, as a SCIENCE, disproved mediums with cold reading. [18:35] rockyrock: Slackware [18:35] rockyrock: slackware [18:35] Chakravanti, next time, show me something from a peer reviewed journal please, not some youtube video [18:35] not in general but in parrticular [18:35] rockyrock: In general, any distribution is only as secure as the person administrating it [18:36] rockyrock, secure out-of-the-box? None unless you configure it yourself [18:36] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] missyjane, I'm just telling what most people _think_ of when you mention mind control. [18:36] whatever missyjane [18:36] Darren Brown is a well respected mentalist [18:36] Chakravanti, you dont even know what peer reviewed journals mean [18:36] who fully discloses ALL of his techniques [18:36] rockyrock, Slackware is by far the most stable though, mention Slackware to Debian fans and you get eery silence [18:36] i dont care, and alex jones is a respected conspiracy theorist too, as hilarious as that sound [18:36] missyjane, that quote you posted says that. [18:36] dive uh right, you seem to be disagreeing with me? [18:37] missyjane, Alex Jones who dissed Zeitgeist? [18:37] :P [18:37] missyjane, i DO know what a peer reviewed journal is, but your personal insults into my methods of evidenciary presentation do not detract from my intelligence or the quality of my argument [18:37] missyjane, again: 'the most frequently _thought_ example...' [18:37] NthDegree, alex jones is an idiot is all i will say [18:37] dive, right, so what are we talking about again? [18:37] Guys how about doing a LFS? (Linux From Scratch) ;) Won't it be the most secure OS on earth? [18:37] i saw some documentary about north koreal\n people not long time ago [18:37] rockyrock, no because its hard to setup [18:38] missyjane your narrow mind chooses not to attempt to understand the arguments and validation I provide and review themm before criticising? [18:38] Chakravanti, you are bringing me nlp and mind control [18:38] rockyrock, no because you're not making use of all the security technologies [18:38] there you can see a "REAL SCIENTIFIC MIND CONTROLL" [18:38] its hard to take that serious [18:38] winterx, rofl [18:38] show me actual peer reviewed journals describing nlp as legitimate, right now please :) [18:38] and i will immediately review my life [18:38] rockyrock: Do you think that because you go and build a distribution from scratch automatically means it will be secure? [18:38] i need source, citeable, contacts, etc [18:39] missyjane bullshit i've provided quite clear references and just because you don't like my terminology isn't a valid argument against my assertations, it simp-ly shows you lack the intellectual mobility to grasp and understand the concepts i put forth [18:39] perhaps it it out of apathy but if so you've no need to project your insecurity about refusing to address an intellectual topic by making person insults to compensate [18:39] Chakravanti, you did not, you are basically telling me pendulum watch actually works, where i am telling you, mind control, nlp, etc does not [18:39] NthDegree: but after I crate the foundations right and understood it 100%, I can start install things that *I* know and configure it. This way it'll be the most secure. But of course by asking for reviews [18:39] i didnt insult you [18:40] you are the one cursing at me, you said "bullshit", you want to talk about swearing, insults, i did none of that [18:40] my point is that you 'basically' everything i say [18:40] are there any supposes when slack 13.0 will realeased? :) [18:40] i cannot win when you argue with a strawman [18:40] rockyrock: You go ahead and do that and then expose that system to the internet for us [18:40] ktos: yes, when its ready [18:40] ktos: yesterday [18:40] this is hilarious, you dont even know what a strawman is [18:40] you actually said bullshit [18:40] so i won't even attempt to humilate myself and attempt such [18:40] ktos: my guess is before Christmas, 2025 [18:40] i didnt [18:40] ktos: When it's done [18:40] lol hahahaha ive never laughed so hard [18:41] missyjane: you tried to use your little strawman attack on me that last time too. This is your theme attack. [18:41] i thought i wouldnt meet someone who believed in nlp but behold, of all the place, i find that person in ##slackware [18:41] yeah, strawman, false argument [18:41] dont shit on your carpet [18:41] antiwire, on what subject? where? [18:41] rockyrock, yes but that depends upon you being aware of all security vulns for all software you install and then recompiling for every fix [18:41] misreperesenting my propositions [18:41] antiwire: I think my idea is quit good. It will be like using RFCs. I'll create an LFS then I'll post every app that I will install for comments ;) [18:41] if YOU knew what it meant i wouldn't be explaining it to you [18:41] because i dont remember you antiwire [18:41] How about you guys drop this pointless argument and take it to #lamediscussions ? [18:41] i think everybody should cut the off-topic crap when someone has a Slackware/Linux related problem!!! [18:41] wow, I am really impressed :P [18:41] because nobody cares [18:41] Action: Chakravanti goes for a smoke [18:41] rockyrock, so it hasn't really solved the problem - security is a trade-off [18:41] ok ill stop, but remember folks, postscript: On a more cheerful note, Bandler has sued Grinder for millions of dollars. Apparently, the two great communicators and paradigm innovators couldn't follow their own advice or perhaps they are modeling their behavior after so many other great Americans who have found that the most lucrative way to communicate is by suing someone with deep pockets. [18:42] NLP = dont fall for it, do NOT waste your money lol [18:42] missyjane: this is your MO, you think that people a person can't whip up some documentation immediately for you, their argument is a strawman. [18:42] that because a person* [18:42] antiwire uh? i asked for a citation, thats not a strawman [18:42] I build strawmen often, it is an activity i like to partake in [18:42] often my horses eat my strawmen [18:42] That is just an attack at a situation, it's not an attack on the argument itself. [18:42] basically, show me proof [18:42] missyjane, NLP training is provided to government spokespeople and such [18:42] NthDegree: I'll be the judge :) [18:43] NthDegree, the govt does a lot of unnecessary and useless things [18:43] ok, I'll rephrase [18:43] missyjane, so the governments of the world don't see it as a waste of money [18:43] we wasted $3 million dollars on a 2lb ham [18:43] well [18:43] go ahead, go use your money on NLP, as for me ill stay as far as i can [18:43] rockyrock, LFS has a security advantage for a teeny, tiny server system - but not for a massive desktop system [18:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:44] do you know in procents how much work needed to release 13.0 has beed already done? [18:44] rockyrock, as to fix a vuln in say OOo you'll need quite a bit of recompiling to keep the install consistent [18:44] s/beed/been [18:44] NLP has evolved from a scam to an actual scientific field [18:44] ktos: follow -current and you can see how much work has been done already [18:44] rockyrock, hours of recompile vs minutes of download [18:44] because NLp is the art of scamming people, it is only natural that it would arise as such [18:44] NthDegree: This ways I'm planning a new distro right? [18:45] actually he did put his money into NLP [18:45] NthDegree: and hours of wasting my whole life :) [18:45] or rather...MADE money with NLP [18:45] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) joined ##slackware. [18:45] ktos: they have been working on 13.0 since -> Wed May 7 16:13:31 CDT 2008 [18:45] rockyrock, it's good to learn with, i've done it before ^_^ [18:45] but it does not make a secure production distro [18:45] paid for a $4500 platinum diamond ring with plain paper using NLP [18:45] NthDegree: LFS? [18:45] rockyrock, yeps [18:46] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.138.148) joined ##slackware. [18:46] NthDegree: then what? [18:46] rockyrock: honestly you'll most likely have more security issues running LFS [18:46] NthDegree: Is LFS book enough? [18:46] missyjane Quote from YOUR text:It is a difficult to define NLP because those who started it and those involved in it use such vague and ambiguous language that NLP means different things to different people. [18:46] oh so basing on prevoious releases we can guess it's nearly :) [18:47] LFS is a great learning tool really but in my experence that's all [18:47] rockyrock, to learn how to make LFS? Sure it is =] [18:47] cool [18:47] This shows that NLP isn't a cult employing a con to get peopel money, it is a decetralised field of study [18:47] demoncyber_: as you use ipv6, could you please test if you can connect to this: telnet 2001:838:2:1:2a0:24ff:feab:3b53 6667 [18:47] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-20-162.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] NthDegree: how much was the size of *YOUR* linux :) ? [18:47] you will spend a heck of a lot of time keeping an eye out having to update your system with LFS, i am sure the mainstream distros have a mailing list that notify the distro maintainers when something needs patched it is red-flagged [18:48] rockyrock, over 150MB [18:48] NthDegree: Oh that's too much [18:48] for just a CLI with basic tools [18:48] rockyrock: you'll likely have more security issues due to the fact that you will have to look for security vulnerabilities yourself, as well as patch them [18:48] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:49] The problem is that regardless what cult or 'system' of 'self-help' you follow, it won't help you unless you're helping yourself and any program you pay for should be for the accomidations, not the actualy material because the material can be had for FREE [18:49] NthDegree: I read on the LFS website that they created a 15 MB or ever less (I can't remember) a distro [18:49] rockyrock, because you need to factor in: source code + (compiled object code * 2) [18:49] zmisc (i=1000@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:49] rockyrock, yes by deleting stuff they didn't need [18:49] RipVanWinkle: not really most of them just follow the standard security lists I found out :0 [18:49] thanks for help guys, will wait for 13, hope lucky 13 :) [18:49] NthDegree: was it 15MB? [18:49] rockyrock, but to make LFS itself - prior to stripping it down is over 150MB not 15MB [18:50] In SOME corners...NLP is marketed as and used as, 'self-help' but this is a minor tool in the NLPers repetoir [18:50] Chakravanti, lol uh, no, folks using or practicing NLP is in a cult out to con ppl [18:50] ktos (n=ktos@adgi107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [18:50] 15MB for a system that runs Lighttpd and a kernel :P [18:50] and you are still going at it [18:50] go have some self control and put me on ignore list please [18:51] missyjane I'll give you that SOME people purporting (and even using NLP) are charging people (even outrageous) amounts.l..that doesn't mean that NLP itself is the fraud [18:51] NthDegree: does the book explain how to burn it on a CD? [18:51] nlp itself is a fraud, until proven to me via peer reviewed research, which you havent linked [18:51] rockyrock, burn the system you've just made? I don't think so [18:52] since the new Xorg i get "´e" instead of "é" , i changed the keyboard display but it still doesn't work [18:52] can someone help? [18:52] i supose that it;ll fail [18:52] NthDegree: if you don't burn the system and then install it from that CD, how did you install it on your computer? [18:53] missyjane - it's not even nlp, it's the ability to see shit for what it is and understand how to manipulate it. The mind is no different than any mechanical object other than that we have less consistant data because of the complexity of the underlying subject [18:53] rockyrock, you download the source code, compile it, install it and boot it - all to a spare partition [18:53] there is no need for a CD to play with it [18:53] You think you are completely freee from the mental influence of that which is in your environment? How do you know your decision is based in truth and no suggestion? [18:53] rockyrock, but you can download a LiveCD, which they show you how to burn yes =] [18:54] i'm not telling you to believe anything i say [18:54] i'm just asking you why you believe so strongly that what you believe is right [18:54] hmm think it;s time to ingore Chakravanti [18:54] Chakravanti, mental influence != mind control [18:54] Chakravanti, lol somehow NLP people, who spend outrageous amoutn of money on a set of books and audiotapes know more than doctors, scientists, neurologists who study this for a living [18:54] NthDegree: "We installed a system that was just enough to run the Apache web server; total disk space usage was approximately 8 MB. With further stripping, that can be brought down to 5 MB or less. Try that with a regular distribution. " [18:54] NthDegree, he disagree, he says mind control includes advertisements, govt, and marketing [18:54] rockyrock, yes, and that can be done without LFS too [18:55] rockyrock, I can do that with a copy of Slackware and cp/mv [18:55] missyjane you're way oversimplifying the things i've talked about [18:55] kitche stfu and do it [18:55] Chakravanti, because i am begging you, with tears in my eyes, for peer reivewed journals [18:55] anyone? [18:55] i dont want to hear you talk [18:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.35) left irc: [18:55] NthDegree: aha, and also any distro [18:55] my screen is cluttered with seriously off-topic banter [18:55] ive been trying to stop this [18:55] wtfever [18:55] i agree with dtanner, its time to cut the off-topic crap [18:55] ##slackofftopic [18:56] the guy goes on, just pm me the peer reviewed journals or link to it and you finished [18:56] give me a reason to give you seriosu reference materials [18:56] rockyrock, yeah.. you can copy files and use ldd to see what libs you actually need [18:56] LnxSlck, let me boot up my current box and see - be a few secs [18:56] Chakravanti, then shut up, you are off topi [18:56] you've taken nothign i've offered into seriosu intellectual consideration [18:56] dtanner++ [18:56] dive, thanks [18:56] rockyrock, then rather than running standard init, you could run a wrapper that does a fork()+exec() for the HTTPd [18:56] NthDegree: what are you favorite distros? [18:56] you've closed your mind off and won't consider a thing unless it meets your criteria of what is a worthy format for acceptable material [18:56] rockyrock, Slackware and ArchLinux [18:56] not an unrealistic action in an of itself [18:56] i already changed /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [18:57] but the parameters are rediculous [18:57] Chakravanti, just show me some links please :) thats all, otherwise its just offtopic banter [18:57] Chakravanti, maybe because you have no citations [18:57] LnxSlck, which apps does it do this in? Linux console, xterms or other X apps? [18:57] NthDegree, thank you :) [18:57] to expect when you don't consider the materials i've offered [18:57] i already pmed you Chakravanti, talk to me there, not here [18:57] dive, everyone [18:57] NthDegree bullshit [18:57] Chakravanti, what materials? [18:57] uh [18:57] i have provided shit [18:57] Chakravanti, yes you have! [18:57] you didnt, cause nobody saw any link [18:57] oh, he provided shit, literally haha [18:57] NthDegree: What did you? Did you study CS? Or didn't study anything? [18:57] just because it's a video on youtube doesn't mean that the material presented is incredulous [18:58] in fact it's not [18:58] the worked of darren Brown can be well referenced [18:58] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [18:58] lol.. hahaha [18:58] rockyrock, i'm due to study a BTEC National Diploma in IT, i'm still a student [18:58] somebody call the cops on this guy, he wont shutup [18:58] but gicven she given no consideration to it i'm not prone to go digging about further ofr materials [18:58] it's called ignore not hard to u se [18:58] darren brown is an entertainer, please, peer reviewed journal, seriously [18:58] just pm me, ia lready pm you, why ignore my pm? [18:58] NthDegree: final question: how old are you? [18:58] i never got your pm [18:59] rockyrock, 19 [18:59] then pm me now [18:59] ^_^ [18:59] yeah continue in private [18:59] i take science into serious consideration, i dont take youtube or pseudoscience into serious consideration [18:59] I'm 20 [18:59] nlp has been proven as such, fake [18:59] Chakravanti, he claims to use NLP, but doesn't cite documentation on what he does [18:59] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:59] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.103) joined ##slackware. [19:00] NthDegree: do you work with any programming languages? Professinal [19:00] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:00] rockyrock, i've done a bit of PHP in the past, and will be learning how to use C properly at college very shortly [19:01] rockyrock (n=rockyroc@90.153.144.249) left ##slackware. [19:01] NthDegree: all that and not even a reach-around :\ [19:02] lol [19:03] brb, drink time ^^ [19:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.103) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:04] LnxSlck, I did have some problems with keyboard yesterday but was fixed by reading/using this: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/10-keymap.fdi.txt [19:04] LnxSlck, try that it may help [19:04] dive, thanks ill take a look [19:04] LOL NthDegree look at this - you love your 'peer-reviewed journals' so much but tbh it's little more than a circle jern [19:05] LnxSlck, if you make an .fdi you will need restart hal [19:05] he isnt providing any citation haha, there is no science behind NLP, the world needs to know! [19:05] dive, so i'll just copy this file and edit it, ok [19:05] LnxSlck, just the relevant parts [19:06] LnxSlck, also the 'old' way didn't work for me at all [19:06] missyjane, they have tan thru swimsuits [19:06] dive, me neither [19:07] hello nix_chix0r [19:07] sup dtanner [19:07] no more tan lines on chics boobs and tush :D [19:08] nix_chix0r: spending time with my lady this weekend. she is finishing up dinner right now. it smells so good. Other than that just chillin. yourself? [19:08] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.138.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] gave the boy a bath, did laundry cleaned up grillin steak and taters [19:09] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.138.148) joined ##slackware. [19:09] nix_chix0r: and watching people debate over absolutely nothing. mm yummy steak and taters [19:09] lol >< [19:09] nix_chix0r, how are you? [19:09] dive, still not working :( [19:09] black angus boneless top sirloin for 5bucks [19:09] can't beat that one [19:09] oh wow! good price [19:09] missyjane, i'm good. chillaxin [19:10] nix_chix0r, its about to rain, i seriously hope it rains hard, i love rain [19:10] clipping coupons is well worth it [19:10] gonna run out and dance [19:10] missyjane: i love rain too. we are in a no burn zone here because of lack of rain this year. [19:10] gah it rained here 2 and a half weeks straight finally sunny [19:10] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.138.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] everyones grass is cracklin' brown under your feet except for those spending hella money to water the lawn [19:11] haha [19:11] gimme all your rain [19:11] i would get a place where utilities are included and make my grass super green;p [19:11] missyjane, that's nice XD [19:11] although we aren't near a drought anytime soon [19:11] hehe :D [19:12] it's like seattle here lately [19:12] i dont water my lawn, i do set the sprinkler under a few trees (one at a time) and let it drip for a few hours a week, i have greep patches under my trees [19:12] it sucks because it affects the satellite internet:( [19:12] we need rain very badly here. I am moving out of the south soonISH. can't stand the heat anymore. I am done with it. [19:12] RipVanWinkle: =) [19:12] dinner time. later [19:12] dtanner, i would [19:12] it's retarded [19:14] nix_chix0r, dive, RipVanWinkle -> keep missyjane and Chakravanti from each others throats. =) [19:14] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.75.23) joined ##slackware. [19:14] lul [19:14] oki [19:14] mmm [19:14] yeah, those two need to quit beating a dead horse [19:14] im not at his throat [19:14] should be in ##slackofftopic [19:14] dtanner, he lost by his admission [19:14] RipVanWinkle, he never gave me any citation even in pm and we are still speaking [19:14] lol [19:15] he called peer reviewed journals a circle jerk [19:15] hi guys, anyone running slackware64-current ? [19:15] phrag_: I am [19:15] you have to just agree that you both disagree [19:15] LnxSlck, I take it you have checked locale for -utf8 and other things? [19:15] haha but i dont want people to fall for scams :/ this is my maternal instinct in me to care for people [19:15] if i see something that will harm someone, i will do my best to save them, even my own enemies [19:15] maybe you're both right [19:15] twolf: having trouble building wine, says i need 32 bit development libraries.. any idea's ? [19:15] dive, my locale is set for pt_PT [19:16] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:16] LnxSlck, shouldn't it be pt_PT.UTF-8? [19:16] dive, have you added the Driver "evdev" [19:16] to xorg.conf? [19:17] LnxSlck, nope [19:17] phrag_: fred created some 32bit libraries for slack64, you can get them from a slamd64 mirror [19:17] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] missyjane: you cant babysit the whole world [19:17] LnxSlck, works without it [19:17] dive, i had it working with pt_PT but i can change it to utf8 [19:17] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] RipVanWinkle, bleh [19:17] RipVanWinkle, with that siad, i thank you, i will run into rain soon its raining now [19:18] LnxSlck, you will need logout and in again after doing that [19:18] phrag_: I think Fred has builds for wine under 64bit [19:18] one sec [19:18] i did restart hal, log out, and restart x [19:18] LnxSlck, locale would mean logout of console that started x too [19:18] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:19] dive, ill restart everything [19:19] Action: winterx hides [19:19] phrag_: I think you might be forced to use the compat packahes to build wine [19:19] packages* [19:20] yep [19:20] i love the smell of rain [19:20] twolf: any idea of the names of the packages i need ? [19:20] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.75.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] antiwire: compat ? [19:20] lib32-* [19:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:20] phrag_: the compat32 or something like that, it is under a dir called slackware64 on a slamd64 mirror [19:21] wine can't be used on amd64 so you need a compat for lib32 is what they are saying and fred built the compat layer package :) [19:22] missyjane, I have a citation in NLP's favour - but it's not peer-reviewed and it's from a work of fiction based on a true story. It proves NLP != mind control too... [19:22] here guys ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/source/d-compat32/gcc-compat32/ [19:22] phrag_: ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/slackware64/ [19:22] missyjane, look at a book called The Game by Neil Strauss [19:22] (not Rules of The Game, just The Game) [19:22] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:22] awesome, thanks guys [19:22] ugh lol [19:22] know which ones i need, or is it safe to install them all ? [19:23] neil strauss, the very same guy that said women have it harder than men ;) [19:23] phrag_: honestly, I have no idea [19:23] or just the gcc ones i gues ? [19:23] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] phrag_: and wine is on builds.slamd64.com [19:23] phrag_: to build, the toolchain stuff, to run, the x/ and l/ stuff [19:23] (doing them all is probably easiest) [19:24] chopp, I canny see it [19:24] :P [19:24] chopp, I did a search and it does not show xD [19:24] chopp: then the search funcion is broke [19:24] i think it's broke [19:24] bleh, been looking for packages all day [19:25] i dont like neil strauss, too fake, even he admits it, he said "dont be a social robot, you still need a life" [19:25] phrag_: well I'm just going by fred's readme ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/README.TXT [19:25] yeah it's there [19:25] http://builds.slamd64.com/System/wine/ [19:25] just search isa broke [19:25] missyjane, he took what others had worked on and combined it to make his own idea - he no longer does the dating stuff anymore [19:25] hba_ (n=hba@189.188.156.231) left irc: Client Quit [19:26] missyjane, i'm still a big fan though, it shows there is some truth in the "seduction community" >_> [19:27] lol first rule of seduction according ot mystery [19:27] btw [19:27] ive met mystery irl [19:27] a very good magician, but thats about it [19:27] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.79.237) joined ##slackware. [19:27] and the whole "pickup artist show" is fake, has been proven [19:27] the "losers" on shows were actually actors [19:28] nice >.> [19:28] dive, nothing :( [19:28] best proven way to get laid and get girlfriends? get a life, the old fashioned way [19:28] lol [19:28] still my keyboard laoyout isn't right [19:28] most people that get laid with tons of people usually have a life, like my ex who practically slept with all of the girl sin the air force [19:28] LnxSlck, does # and other normal keys work properly? [19:29] missyjane, "life" is overrated :P [19:29] dive, yes [19:29] dive, only keys like "ã" [19:29] missyjane, it's more interesting to reverse engineer the people who have a "life" than it is to have one :P [19:29] thanks for your help guys, no luck but i give up for tonight =P [19:29] á [19:29] NthDegree, lol, no, by life i mean, "get a job, smell nice, start exercising, be smart, be strong" [19:29] most people dont have a job, are antisocial, etc [19:30] in fact, some of you bastards here are anti-military, anti-govt, anti-science [19:30] ah [19:30] Who is anti-what? [19:30] if you got laid off, fine, but if you are jobless just because you "are against the system" and listen to alex jones all day, you only have yourself to blame [19:30] I'm anti-military because killing is wrong. But at the same time there has to be someone to keep boundaries enforced [19:30] lol military isnt only about killing [19:30] my ex is in the military, in the last letter i received [19:30] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] you know what he did? [19:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] kick some ass in a boxing competition? ^^ [19:31] conflict is a core componant of existence and thus, human nature [19:31] here is a small list 1 - reconstruction in katrina, 2 - reconstruction in iraq, 3 - building efforts for companies, 4 - building relations between countries, etc [19:31] NthDegree, yes! that too [19:31] made sushi out of a terrorist? [19:31] Chakravanti, conflict? i prefer competition [19:31] anti-corrupt-govt to be exact ( as i chew the last bite of dinner ) can we all *please* take this to #slackofftopic ? or do you crave an audience? [19:31] 5 madoff [19:31] LnxSlck, I can't think of anything else except kde/xfce keyboard settings. [19:31] RipVanWinkle, that too, i believe hes o-6 or o-5 [19:31] murder is only an inevitable conclusion of conflict [19:32] dive, i have kde [19:32] missyjane competition is good, but it will also inevitably produce conflict [19:32] \o/ [19:32] therefore there needs to be laws, judges, etc [19:32] i can certainly agree with that [19:32] missyjane, Zeitgeist? ;-p [19:32] lol [19:32] Action: NthDegree hides [19:32] NthDegree, zeitgeist is fake too haha [19:33] it's propaganda for a real project though [19:33] btw talk to me in pm NthDegree if you want to know more about pua, i meet"pua" on a daily basis [19:33] even the most plausable form of anarchy that may ever exist....is only a form of minarchy [19:33] Chakravanti, talk to me in pm, dont bring it up here, lol [19:33] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.79.237) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] the destruction of one governemnt is only filled with another [19:33] to 'be anti-government' is a logical fallacy [19:34] you know you _could_ talk about this is ##slackofftopic... it's hard for me to help lnxSlack when 'm trying to dig through all the politics and stuff... [19:35] not a bad idea [19:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] thankys [19:36] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [19:40] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:41] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:42] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] I've got a startup script in /etc/rc.d for asterisk and it has exec permissions but it doesn't seem to run. Anything obvious that I should be checking to troubleshoot? [19:44] BenCecka: not everything with +x will run. you should add it to rc.local [19:45] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] thrice`: thanks! edited it and rebooting right now [19:46] gypsydawg (n=michael@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] BenCecka: something like if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.asterisk ]; then \ . /etc/rc.d/rc.asterisk start \ fi [19:49] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [19:50] esom (n=root@222.172.214.178) joined ##slackware. [19:51] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-199-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:51] thrice`: that certainly looks more elegant than what I threw in there (just the startup command with the script). thanks [19:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:55] and maybe a similar in rc.local_shutdown [19:55] then disableing is as simple as chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.asterisk and to re-enable chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.asterisk [19:56] BenCecka: the reason is that slack's startup stript, rc.M, only checks for stuff slackware installs by default; so, it doesn't know about your rc.asterisk. [19:56] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] that's the reason why chmod +x or -x works with stock slackware stuff, but not for anything new you present. you can, of course, add them yourself to rc.M, but that's not the best practice for when upgrade times comes around [19:57] yeah, he will have to add that entry you posted earlier [19:57] hello [19:58] hii esom [19:58] i've heard of slackware 13rc1 is out. [19:58] yup [19:58] no way! [19:58] has it always been that way? the asterisk documentation just says to drop it into rc.d and +x. either they wrote it for an older version or they're flat out wrong. [19:58] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] so final release should coming soon :-) [19:59] BenCecka: add that stanza to rc.local like thrice` said [19:59] wulfmax (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] BenCecka: yeah, it has; only the default stuff shipped by slackware will work like that "out of hte box" [20:00] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:00] RipVanWinkle: Oh I did and it's working great. just wondering why asterisk's docs missed that huge point [20:00] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Client Quit [20:00] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:02] wulfmax (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] possibly asterisk's developers arent slackware gurus [20:04] Link to those docs? :) [20:04] (I'll poke some Digium guys about that and see about getting it corrected) [20:04] what asterisk does is code it to run on the most popular distros = the debianish and redhatish distros [20:05] and with some minor tweaking you got it running on slackware [20:05] Don't badmouth * - they are *not* anti-slackware at all. [20:05] not anti-slackware, they just did not build it with slackware in mind [20:05] well to be fair the script is in the contrib folder so it's not directly supported by them, but it runs great. the docs are in README but I'll see if there's a link [20:06] BenCecka: ah, okay. I'll make a mental note of it then. No biggie. [20:08] rworkman: Here is a link to what I've been referring to when setting it up though: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Linux+Slackware [20:10] rc.local_shutdown didn't exist so I just created it. do i need to tell slackware to use it? [20:10] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] Pat (or somebody) did write that sysVinit stuff along with those directories to make Slackware more compatible with third party packages [20:10] nah, it's pretty smart [20:11] thrice`: for sure. ;) [20:11] tulimaq (n=tulimaq@84-50-132-195-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [20:12] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@ool-4578d704.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] K3b hangs on startup any ideas? [20:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:12] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [20:13] Hrm, in the svn version, I see an init script, but nothing like a README telling about its use [20:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [20:14] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-41.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] i get this error when k3b hangs Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed [20:16] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:19] iluminator101: are you running the Slackware current or 12.2 or ? 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[20:28] Even worse than a mirror [20:28] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.103) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:29] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "brb, pixmap mayhem" [20:31] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:32] i have a stainless steel kitchen sink the same way, you either keep it wiped down constantly or forget it and ignore the waterspots [20:34] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:35] _cjo_ (n=601e8692@baconfile.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] what i want is a granite slab for a countertop, preferably gray with black speckles [20:35] that would be nice [20:36] would last forever [20:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:36] yup [20:37] antiwire: throw a little utf-8 at me would you [20:37] [20:37] skull and cross bones [20:38] " [20:38] antiwire: doesnt show up as skull and cross bones here, and I do have utf-8 enabled [20:38] nuclear trifan [20:38] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-64.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:38] snL20: well it's know to work for many people in here though. your font might be missing that [20:39] antiwire: man...I'm having about as much luck with this as adding a third drive to an asus motherboard with a messed bios :P [20:39] antiwire: yeah, prolly... I do get chinese and russian characters etc. [20:40] snL20: http://i26.tinypic.com/zuow47.png [20:41] antiwire: neat... any idea on how to enable that in arch ? I know this is slackware but wth :) [20:41] snL20: no idea [20:41] antiwire: ok ;) [20:42] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:43] tije (n=tije@189.175.62.211) joined ##slackware. [20:44] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] chopp: what type of disk is it? brand/model I mean [20:45] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] chopp: do you have the ability to enable or disable AHCI in the bios? [20:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-64.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [20:48] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Yomp (n=Yomp@c-71-63-180-29.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:58] i made a smb.conf file and restarted smb, in the past i have never had to make a smb.conf, but now i guess i do.. the only thing is i cant see anything o the network, konq, dolphin and thunar dont show anything in there network areas if they are there [20:58] Every now and then i hang out in ubuntu for awhile to see how far i've come [20:58] "cooper77z: superdaniel49, if I stop gnome but I can still windows and background does that mean gnome stopped using ram?" [20:59] hiptobecubic: as far as mysql is concerned, you need to hang out and listen to the advice being given. [20:59] hiptobecubic: you'll learn sql much faster that way [20:59] thumbs, that's what i'm doing, no? [21:00] tije (n=tije@189.175.62.211) left irc: "leaving" [21:02] shthed (i=shthed@203-59-66-34.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] _cjo_ (n=601e8692@baconfile.com) left irc: [21:06] what's a goood IRC lcient on Slackware? [21:06] weecaht [21:06] xcgat'urssu [21:06] xchat [21:06] irssi [21:06] Chakravanti: irssi [21:06] Chakravanti: screen + irssi [21:06] i'm familiar with xchat [21:06] i thin ole bithx is still hangin around to [21:07] some of that sounded like something out of a Lovecraft short story [21:07] if you use bithx will you chat with a lisp [21:07] lol [21:08] nono worse.. u have to use emacw [21:08] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:08] s [21:08] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] lisp the speech impediment, not the computer code [21:09] two gys walk into a bar. [21:09] must be an addon bc im on xchat [21:09] Thrid one ducks. [21:09] guys* [21:09] Two guys walk into a bar, thid one ducks. [21:09] VampirePenguin: negative. bitchx got dumped a while back [21:10] oh did it... i thought that was for 13 ut its in 12.2 [21:10] dont matter.. i dont use it anyway [21:10] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] keep practicing, someday you'll get it right [21:10] does slackware use alsa ? [21:10] locate alsa [21:10] yup, slackware uses alsa [21:10] RipVanWinkle: yay! thanks :-D [21:11] i know some ppl using oss4 [21:11] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [21:11] takes some work though [21:13] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:18] TClayton (n=TClayton@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:18] _cjo_ (n=601e8692@baconfile.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:59] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] zachary (i=1000@adsl-69-208-78-82.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] I've been attempting to find xorgconfig for -current, it seems that it is not available, or is this just my mistake? [22:03] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-e6787b4be2b82a4c) joined ##slackware. [22:04] if you want one run X -configure [22:04] thank you [22:05] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [22:06] zachary: then you might want to copy it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf [22:06] xorgsetup is there too [22:07] zachary, it was removed recently. [22:07] In favor of xorgsetup. [22:07] the matter is when i run X -configure, i have the X which seems to be present [22:08] Linux is rated X [22:08] i even remove /tmp/.X0-lock [22:08] zachary (i=1000@adsl-69-208-78-82.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:08] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: Client Quit [22:08] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [22:08] when i try init 1, nfsd takes a while to run , i stopped it [22:10] i have something like this, Fatal server error: [22:10] still having X problems, could be something else going on, xorgsetup not work either? [22:10] cannot establish any listening sockets, make sure an X server is not already running [22:11] and as i said, use tty1 and i've removed /tmp/.X0-lock [22:11] paissad: what runlevel are you in now? [22:11] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] i wonder how illegal it is to bind to a public ip at a starbucks [22:17] starbucks gives everyone a public ip? [22:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] not in my experience [22:18] nooper, i got tired of waiting for dhcp to come up [22:19] go on [22:20] so i just bound some att ip heh [22:20] piece of shit att [22:20] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:22] jeev you leet evil haxor ;p [22:22] i'm not evil [22:22] i pay for a damn service, i demand to have it. [22:22] not even a little? [22:22] RipVanWinkle, i wish i remained in the hax0ring industry [22:22] i miss it [22:22] but there's no monies in it [22:23] i dont enjoy doing illegal things to tell you the truth [22:23] considering i'm about to have a multi million dollar company [22:23] get a job doing it for the government [22:23] i'm not that good to be honest [22:23] there are people who'll piss on me [22:23] all i did was bind an ip but i wasw pretty big like 10 years ago [22:24] lolol [22:24] thats how i set up my lan, all my PCs are just bound manually so i dont have to worry about any dhcp cornfusion [22:24] heh [22:24] what's so funny thrice` [22:24] your hax0r skills :| [22:24] i didn't say i have any skill necessarily ;) [22:27] thrice`, what ar eyou doing anyway? fixing your intel video drivers? [22:27] I am, ripping the movie "taken" [22:27] and re-writing a slackbuild for "handbrake" [22:27] ahh [22:27] taken was ok [22:27] please don't hax me [22:28] I worry about you jeev [22:28] why are you ripping it [22:28] why not just download it [22:28] thrice`: do you still have that mesa slackbuild somewhere? [22:28] oh canada [22:28] eviljames: rworkman posted one yesterday [22:29] hmm [22:29] eviljames: try rsync://rlworkman.net/xorg-temp [22:29] s'ok google helped me find it already :D [22:30] ok :) [22:30] jeev: because I have the dvd; seems faster this way [22:30] true [22:30] i haven't seen anything worthy of purchasing in a long time [22:30] then again i dont enjoy downlodaing movies either [22:30] but if i have to, i will [22:30] although, your l33t 64-bit could rip it faster [22:30] what's your proc? [22:31] how would you like to own a Pawn Shop? [22:31] mm, Core2Duo T7250 (2.00 ghz) [22:31] ew [22:31] i'm on my laptop right now which is uh [22:31] :D [22:31] thrice`, got that handbrake sb for download somewhere? Also does it come with the gtk gui? [22:31] T9300 2.53ghz [22:31] thrice`: has there been any movement on the intel/kms front? [22:31] dive: are you on 64-bit? [22:31] 2gb ;/ [22:31] thrice`, no 32 [22:32] rworkman seems to have a number of rebuilt libraries. [22:32] i've got a 2.83 i think at home, SSD.. but the speakers dont work anymore, only headphones [22:32] stupid laptops [22:32] yeah, he rebuilt everything [22:32] dive: no, not yet; i'm doing one that checks out svn, etc. too [22:32] ok [22:32] but the GTK interface requires webkit, which is not a fun build [22:32] my i7 is pretty awesome though [22:32] hmm [22:32] I have packages, but they are 64-bit :( [22:33] sIRC_ (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:33] I can't remember if I ever built webkit or not... [22:33] but please let me know when you finish the sb [22:34] it's a pretty slick app [22:35] it's not that i'm too big to listen to the rumors, i'm just too damn big to pay attention to them [22:35] sIRC_ (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [22:36] Action: jeev kicks thrice`'s laptop down [22:36] nice try, it's straight out of china [22:36] huh [22:36] what's straight out of china have to do with it [22:37] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-163-189.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] dunno, ruggid? awesome? I've got nothin [22:38] what brand [22:38] thinkpad [22:38] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-109-247-25.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] i have so many thinkpads [22:39] i'm on the one that has wake up problems in windows for wifi [22:39] I am the pumpkin king! [22:39] oh yeah, lulz [22:39] they suck [22:39] dell latitudes for life [22:40] zachary (i=1000@adsl-69-208-78-82.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] hi [22:40] hi [22:40] ehlo [22:41] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:42] ut oh [22:43] i'm getting snmp queries [22:43] zachary (i=1000@adsl-69-208-78-82.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:43] att is trying to hax0r me [22:44] haha [22:44] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:44] they're sending the snmp community too hehe [22:46] att? arn't they at war with 4chan? [22:46] WildWizard: they have it blocked. [22:47] actually, i think it is a subdomain that is technically blocked [22:47] yeah, they blocked the server that serves up /b/ [22:47] i'm quite interested in what's going to happen with this [22:48] i wonder if i should be saying a prayer for the att execs [22:48] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:49] att could be a great company [22:49] actually a lot of companies could be [22:49] if they didnt have to satisfy greedy shareholders [22:49] they are probably going to claim it is to block child porn or something like that [22:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.157.102) joined ##slackware. [22:51] anybody see this: /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLEW [22:51] while building Mesa 7.5? [22:52] there is an update in /b/ rumor is that at+t have an internal issue with customers DDoS'ing 4chan and that is the reason for the block [22:52] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [22:52] eviljames: did you install glew? [22:52] eviljames check linuxquestions for a thread from robby [22:52] robby enables it [22:52] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [22:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [22:53] thrice`: nope. was in the middle of downloading but was wondering if it was a known issue. [22:53] WildWizard: great thx [22:53] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:53] eviljames: some of the demos want it, so rworkman added it [22:55] yosi_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:18] xiaodong (n=xiaodong@114.246.88.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:19] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [23:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [23:25] hey guys [23:25] i have got a question : I'm on slackware 12.1, I have no scripts in my home related to shell ( like .bashrc, .bash_profile etc...) so now when i type in the command alias the output shows lots of pre-set alias... where did they come from? [23:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:26] hey antiwire [23:26] dudu: check /etc/profile [23:26] and /etc/profile.d/ [23:26] do they work on every shell ? [23:26] zaltekk, theres nothing there [23:26] related to aliases [23:26] there are aliases in /etc/profile.d/ [23:27] jeev, hang on a sec , imma check it [23:27] hello slak [23:27] /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh has aliases for 12.2 [23:29] zaltekk, i see.. [23:29] i only dont know why nothing appears now as i type in alias [23:30] wtf [23:31] difference between a bash-login and non-login shell probably. (note read bash(1) section on invocation) [23:31] zaltekk, why did they desappear? [23:33] BP{k}, so should run bash -l ? [23:33] No, you should READ what he suggested. [23:34] ejal (n=ejal@89-138-182-93.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: "Leaving" [23:34] what's a good registrar [23:34] if yuu want to get the f out of godaddy [23:34] Jeev no-ip [23:35] i dont like the name [23:35] they may not have ip one day [23:36] sibername has been great for myself [23:36] at least you can use it with a dinamic ip and theres a supported linux program that alerts you whenever your ip change [23:37] not looking for anything like that [23:37] rworkman, i know all that... could you please just tell me why suddenly all aliases gone ? [23:37] godaddy told me a week ago they'd call me when they figured out why i cant renew a domain [23:37] still nothing [23:37] call em then [23:39] i like http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net [23:39] i've called 19 times [23:39] lmao they have identifier [23:39] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:40] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:42] dudu: I don't know. Sounds like you cleared them. [23:43] rworkman, how? i have no alias set up in any file... [23:43] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] I don't know. You tell me. [23:43] rworkman, you tell , you're the guro [23:43] guru [23:43] ... [23:43] you're the one asking for help [23:43] dudu: I know that an unmolested system will have them. Therefore, you did something. *You* tell me. :) [23:44] upgraded? [23:45] user error [23:45] rworkman, i havent no entries in /etc/profile, none in ~/ related to aliases [23:45] Okay. [23:45] rworkman, so where did pat hide them? [23:46] You've already been told, I believe: /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [23:46] /etc/profile isn't empty [23:46] Also mc.sh defines some [23:46] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/cUEF3O60.html [23:46] rworkman, k im gonna check em out [23:46] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] what would cause this other than my shell being set to /sbin/nologin [23:47] acidchild: hrm... [23:47] Do "ssh -vvv" [23:48] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DJ5Pyw75.html [23:48] acidchild: nologin wouldn't get that far. It looks like something in the network layer is killing you - almost like a TCP RST is comign back. [23:48] mmm... [23:49] hrm [23:49] Do you have any $HOME/.ssh/master* files in place for that host? [23:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] And if so, are they valid? [23:49] nope. [23:49] bah [23:50] excuse-me guys [23:50] just wanna say thank you rworkman [23:50] acidchild: something wrong on the server side, I think, but I don't really know what :/ [23:50] dudu: sure [23:50] rworkman: i moved .ssh/known_hosts... [23:50] and now its giving me [23:50] ssh: connect to host skipjack.darkscience.ws port 22: Network is unreachable [23:50] :/ [23:50] eh?? [23:51] err... lemme double check this [23:51] liberty $ ssh skipjack.darkscience.ws [23:51] ssh: connect to host skipjack.darkscience.ws port 22: Network is unreachable [23:51] That would lend credence to the network error idea though. [23:52] the... domain just seems to have randomly expired O.o [23:52] Oh, suckage :/ [23:52] there is an AAAA record. but nothing else :/ [23:53] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/6g6ohX21.html [23:53] found the IP, still same output.. 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