[00:03] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:04] I got tired of 10.1, and upgraded to 13.0! [00:05] 11.0 was a good release too. [00:05] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-88.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] I just synced all my boxes to 13.0, it's easier to maintain like this. [00:09] considering that this box was really outdated, it's probably for the better [00:11] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:11] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Hey guys could someone suggest a channel where I can learn how to send text using an input box and submit button on a webpage but do it from the command line instead, leave the browser totally out of the picture. [00:16] Or maybe some usefull googlable phrases [00:16] I dont even know how to search for that [00:17] now it is the start of the 7th month since Slackware 13.0... guess what that means is likely :> [00:18] The Moon is Full [00:18] StonedSlacker: you could join #friendly-coders [00:20] dchmelik: 13.1 is near? [00:20] that is my guess [00:22] brokedown: hehe [00:22] dchmelik: uhm .. no it is not. [00:22] perhaps, then I'll have to update all my boxes again :( [00:22] dchmelik: whatever makes you think that .. you are completely mistaken. [00:23] ok, so first I will be ridiculed, then violently rejected, then accepted [00:23] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/slackware-changelog-stalling-or-not/ [00:24] Jeddeb (~Jeddeb@modemcable109.239-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:27] should I bother to replace the fan on my P2? It's stuck. [00:27] probably, or stop using the p2 [00:28] it's the router I'm running irssi from heh. [00:28] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] thumbs: how warm is it running without ;) [00:28] I guess that it's been like this for 4 months, at least. [00:28] BP{k}: if I touch the heat sink, my fingers don't get burned. [00:29] is it a slot or socket cpu? [00:30] a slot CPU. [00:30] i wouldn't worry about it. [00:30] agentc0re: heh, thanks. [00:30] most the slots i've ever seen never had any fans on them and all cooled passively. [00:31] you could always put the system under stress and see what happens [00:31] if it was an active cooler and the fan has failed I wager under load it will tank. [00:31] zaltekk: yeah... I guess. I like the lack of noise from having no fan in it. [00:31] if it has run for 4 months and done fine odds are you dont load it and why worry [00:31] andarius++ [00:31] all I run is irssi and dnsmasq. [00:32] do you load it much at all? if not then I would underclock it and make sure it stays safe and save some juice to boot [00:32] dchmelik: Thanks for the suggestion. I had three people show up at my door right as you responded [00:32] andarius: good idea. I can underclock it, for sure. [00:33] andarius: 266 (it's a 400) sounds good. [00:34] thumbs: depends on loading. 300 from 400 would make adecent diff. specialy if you take the whole bus (memory and all) [00:34] instead of the multiplier that is [00:34] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-sytvowgskmdixzbm) left irc: Quit: Page closed [00:35] andarius: well, yes, it runs at 100Mhz. [00:35] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:35] though a multiplier change would keep performance up more [00:35] andarius: it's abit bx6 board, so has all those over|under clocking options, yes. [00:35] I would play with it to find a good point :) [00:36] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-73.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:36] I miss those boards. The new bioses are so much more limited. [00:37] thanks. I'm staing fanless! [00:37] staying, too. [00:43] farhat (~29631514@gateway/web/freenode/x-qujoufurtkiuqsup) joined ##slackware. [00:43] hi [00:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:44] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware. [00:44] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:44] I have translated http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover to arabic http://www.linuxac.org/forum/showthread.php?36639-%C8%DA%CF-%C7%E1%CA%D1%DE%ED%C9-%C5%E1%EC-%D3%E1%C7%DF%E6%ED%D1-%C7%E1%CD%C7%E1%ED%C9-after-upgarde-to-slackware-current [00:45] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-31.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:36] but its zonly legal to keep until it gets licensed in the US [04:36] wrong temrinal [04:42] MoMo2 (~drstroker@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [04:43] MoMo2 (~drstroker@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.121) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Nick change: MoMo2 -> MoMo [04:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-61-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:45] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [04:46] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-203-167.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [04:50] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:53] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-140-213.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-110-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:54] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:55] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:56] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) left irc: Quit: http://www.1st-vets.com [04:58] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-49-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:58] I forgot: is there any way to see the description/info of packages you installed, especially SlackBuilds? [04:58] It would be helpful if there was some kind of description browser with categories [04:59] head -10 /var/log/packages/your_package [05:00] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:01] 10 is the default for head. also each slack-desc is 11 lines long :p [05:02] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [05:04] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [05:07] thanks, gorilla [05:07] and sahk0 [05:07] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:07] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:08] but I still wish there was some sort of browser with categories since there is so much software [05:08] spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:09] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-140-213.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:10] mark twain [05:11] ups [05:11] sorry wrong channel [05:11] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-149-236.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:11] farhat (~farhat@41.99.11.183) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Where can I get images/isos for 1.0 - 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.6, 3.9? [05:16] preferably isos... or were there no CDs for those releases? [05:16] also 7.0 [05:17] qwebirc63251 (~29630bb7@gateway/web/freenode/x-vdhgbtzdjcxnszyq) joined ##slackware. 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[05:32] nvision (~nvision@g225053068.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:33] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-48.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:33] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:41] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yukypxmvxnrptokj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:42] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-amfcetjqimazwszh) joined ##slackware. [05:43] nvision_ (~nvision@g229053140.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:52] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-89.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] dchmelik, slackware.no has e [05:56] them :) [05:56] dchmelik, oh, isos. no, those were distributed as floppy sets. enjoy ;) [05:58] but 3.2, 3.5, 4.0 were isos. Are you saying the ones in between were not? [06:01] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-89.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:02] It is hard to believe anything past (or even near) 3.2 would be a floppy set--there would have been hundreds of disks [06:02] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:04] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [06:05] In fact I believe my first Slackware was a 2.0 CD... yet there is no iso [06:05] somebody can help me to correct configure my radeon hd3200 under one slack system i already try but not success... [06:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:07] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.38.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:18] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-102.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:18] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [06:25] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:35] dchmelik: The Pirate Bay has Slackware 3.0, none of the other early ones, though. [06:35] Action: jkwood goes to bed [06:35] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3018B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:35] nick4b (~nick4b@62.1.249.77.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:36] well these should all still be up on the archives [06:36] you can get 3.0 at some archives, but maybe not iso [06:36] dchmelik: I remember installing 4.0 from disks... [06:37] nick4b (~nick4b@62.1.249.77.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-32.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [06:37] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [06:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-32.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:37] dchmelik: But I bought the CD set (had the subscription) [06:38] dchmelik: and if you want a really old Slackware version, read this: http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_old.php [06:39] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:42] thanks... I see you mention some versions not listed on Wikipedia [06:43] dhabyx: And yes, I have about all the versions that ever came out, just no way to host all those ISOs :) [06:43] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:43] dchmelik: oops, tab-fault ^ [06:44] niels_horn, that screenshot of 1.01 is cool [06:44] so how about many stable versions are there total or maybe not listed? [06:45] giuppy (~giuppy@host5-251-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:45] slava_dp: Hehe... And it really works :) [06:46] dchmelik: For the "old" days, it is a bit difficult to define what is a "release". I based my list on all the ChangeLogs (that are on-line & searchable btw) [06:48] hfjardim (~hfjardim@84.13.79.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:49] dchmelik: If you browse through the ChangeLogs you can even find releases that were never released :) Try searching for "Slackware 6" ... [06:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.64.69) joined ##slackware. [06:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:55] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [06:57] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.8) joined ##slackware. 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[07:12] well, I see nothing on Slackware 6 [07:12] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:12] somebody already have success instaling radeon hd3200 on slackware boxm can help me? [07:14] WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? [07:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:17] hrad (~a@78-136-185-203.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [07:17] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [07:17] pupiteee (~p@93.86.0.55) joined ##slackware. [07:19] please could anybody look at this $ldd /usr/bin/svn http://pastebin.com/t0CiVPEA and tell me why it still can't find a library it does already see ? [07:20] dchmelik: Read the Slackware 7 ChangeLog :) [07:21] ok, I see it is probably your site that has all the changelogs maybe [07:21] I had been having trouble finding them [07:21] hrad, looks horrible. do you have the apr package installed? [07:21] dchmelik: btw, if you ever get to set up that archive and can't find a specific version of Slackware, we can work something out with torrents [07:22] slava_dp: libapr-1.so.0 => /opt/tomcat-native-1.1.16-src/jni/native/srclib/apr-1.3.9/.libs/libapr-1.so.0 (0x00007f11bb645000) [07:22] yes he does :p [07:23] awesome, man [07:23] no, he doesn't necessarily [07:23] I had to remove it cause I needed to instal apache APR support for tomcat and it had to be manually built [07:23] hrad, did you rebuild svn with the new apr? [07:23] nope :) [07:23] dchmelik: I have been thinking of setting up torrents for all the (older) versions but never researched how to do it. [07:23] just a wild guess [07:23] why a rebuild of apr? [07:24] I recall hearing about the old Slackware 6 'current' version before... I do not know much about torrents myself.... [07:25] actually I have seen some torrent servers in SBo [07:25] I mean SlackBuilds [07:25] I don't remember the issues but I think the tomcat native interface was unhappy with that [07:26] building wise or working wise? [07:26] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:26] building [07:26] it's a long time ago [07:26] tomcat is on SBo, no? [07:26] not yet :) [07:26] pupiteee (~p@93.86.0.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:27] but I don't need it anymore so I will probably uninstall it ant install the slackware packages [07:27] then i apparently saw it on someone's github... [07:27] In SlackBuilds, would you recommend partitionmanager or gparted? [07:27] slava_dp: vbatts and me are working on it [07:28] dchmelik, one is qt, the other gtk [07:28] I do not really know the difference [07:28] I thought the functionality would be more important anyway [07:28] metrofox (~metrofox@151.33.254.205) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [07:28] get partitionmanager for kde or gparted for xfce. [07:28] gparted is probably more mature [07:29] i suspected so... then that is what i will use [07:29] even though i use KDE [07:29] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:29] they both use libparted :D [07:31] but do they have all the same functions and appearance? [07:32] or even if gparted has less chance of having a bug, that is better [07:33] pprkut, I think the build script of http://tomcat.apache.org/native-doc/ needed a fixed location of arp, it was impossible to configure it as I remember [07:34] from what ive seen gparted hasnt had a release in a while but partitionmanager seems to have frequent bugfix releases. thats how i concluded the more mature which might as well be a false assumption [07:36] i have both installed but only used gparted for an actual resize operation once. [07:36] which was a success by the way. [07:38] pprkut, the build script didn't see arp libraries even after specifying the location, unless it was installed into one location...for what the build script was meant to I guess [07:39] hrad: hmm, very strange. I remember trying tomcat-native some time ago and had no such issues at all :/ [07:39] pprkut, I encountered exactly this issue http://thilinag.blogspot.com/2008/02/setting-up-https-in-apache-tomcat-using.html [07:40] "checking for APR... no [07:40] configure: error: APR could not be located. Please use the --with-apr option." [07:40] the configure script is quite simple [07:44] hrad: --with-apr=/usr , works for me [07:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [07:45] I'll let you know after I try it again [07:49] Razec (1000@187-27-240-216.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:49] hrad: sure :) [07:59] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:59] i think when you give it with-apr it hunts for apr-config [07:59] so if thats missing for some reason it'll fail [08:00] hrad: if it fails again just run down through config.log until you get to the test that failed [08:01] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [08:04] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:10] i was wrong btw gparted seems to have had a release 5 weeks ago [08:11] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:15] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:15] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.64.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:16] fwiw, I have used gparted several times, shrinking partitions and everything, and it never failed on me... But I *do* make backups of important data :) [08:17] somebody already have success instaling radeon hd3200 on slackware boxm can help me? [08:18] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:19] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:19] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) joined ##slackware. [08:21] SOUL_OF_R00T, http://www.scribd.com/doc/24632369/Install-Fglrx-drivers-on-Slackware-13 [08:22] maybe help you.. [08:22] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:24] does anyone have a solution/idea on how to use encrypted /home and autodecrypting it with the user login password? [08:24] SOUL_OF_R00T, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Slackware [08:24] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:25] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.64.69) joined ##slackware. [08:27] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.6.211) joined ##slackware. [08:28] damn, this partition manager is forcing me to use kde4. I will try gparted [08:28] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.14.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:28] how would the partition manmager force you to use kde4? [08:29] gpated is good [08:29] it says it requires some KDE4 library [08:29] gparted* [08:31] artur_ (500@94.196.129.109.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:36] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:38] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:39] artur_ (500@94.196.129.109.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:40] If I want to use gparted or parted, can I not do so while using a partition I want to resize? [08:41] hans (500@94.196.129.109.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:41] ok, thanks, I'm doing 10 things at a time...it's weird slackpkg doesn't see uninstalled apr and apr-utils....neither "search l" nor "search apr" can't see this package [08:41] GooseYArd, [08:41] in a repo where it exists [08:42] it was correctly uninstalled by pkgtools [08:43] dchmelik, gotta unmount it first. [08:43] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:44] dchmelik, can use a livecd too, like SystemRescueCD or Parted Magic. [08:45] ok, I will look for one of those later maybe [08:45] do I have to initialize anything after changing /etc/slackpkg/mirrors ? [08:45] but I think I may as well use my Slackware CD if it has parted [08:46] the Slackware CDs do have it now, right? I do not need some GUI for parted [08:46] i doubt it. [08:46] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:46] hrad, just use slackpkg. [08:46] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [08:49] slava_dp, that update, it has confusing name that one thinks it's for updating packages [08:49] hrad, what would you call it? :) [08:50] slava_dp, init :) [08:52] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [08:53] linXea, guax very thanks my friends a reading that sites now [08:53] definitely not update when there is only install, update, remove...for people like me who are able to forget this 10 times it would be quite nice name [08:56] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:58] well the developer of slackpkg is here so you can suggest a naming update :-) [08:59] does it get packages, or what? [09:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:01] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:03] dchmelik, it's cool, just the update action should be called "init" I suggest renaming it [09:03] :-P [09:04] hrad (~a@78-136-185-203.client.ufon.cz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:12] do i need the auth service? what it's use? [09:13] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:13] Razec (1000@187-27-240-216.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:15] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] "init" is what you do the _first_ time you run a program - not to update the package selections :) [09:15] maybe 'rebase' then :P [09:15] and slackpkg and sbopkg are following the tradition of slackware package tools in the names they yes [09:16] s/yes/use/ [09:16] "update" is appropriate since you are updating the list if packages available, and upgrade is what you do to a package that's already installed but has a new release out [09:17] hrad (~a@78-136-185-203.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [09:19] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [09:20] micsch (~micsch@p54A566CD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Azeotrope, just disable inetd altogether. [09:23] pprkut, you were right, --with-apr=/usr, I don [09:23] don't know what I was doing [09:23] :) [09:24] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.24.45) joined ##slackware. [09:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:30] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [09:30] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [09:31] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.8) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [09:40] jnylin (~jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:40] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) joined ##slackware. [09:41] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:41] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:41] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:42] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] why ubuntu has almost weekly security updates/new software/new kernels and slackware doesn't? [09:43] hans (500@94.196.129.109.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:44] Slackware is not as incecure as ubuntu [09:44] Or better - ubuntu has a different concept of "secure" [09:44] In any case, it has a very different development model [09:45] ok, but doesn't being up to date means more secure? [09:46] why would it ? [09:46] sometimes yes, sometimes no - you have to look at the update and see [09:46] Azeotrope: ever tried breaking into a pyramid ? [09:46] adaptr: no [09:47] why? [09:48] Action: guax likes the way ubuntu says what version of everything on the file listing of apache. [09:48] they're not exactly up to date, in fact some are 3000 years old. still, pretty solid [09:49] oh, yea. nice [09:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:51] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [09:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [09:53] i have a problem. i tried to compile espeak from source (no SlackBuild) and when i run it works but i get this error twice: bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) [09:53] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:54] if you look at Ubuntu release, sometimes they put unstable package on the final release [09:54] slackid, like? [09:55] google is full of it, looks like a bluetooth-related problem. [09:55] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:55] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [09:56] many kinds of them.... i don't use Ubuntu, but i have read a lot of users opinion and reviews and witness it by myself [09:56] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:56] the same goes to Mandriva (i was a Mandriva users until i switched completely to Slackware in 2005) [09:56] just sounds like fud to me, but :> [09:56] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [09:56] I don't use ubuntu myself, but I think alot of people give it crap unnecessarily [09:57] I'm not either :D [09:59] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:59] ubuntu is pretty unstable, I've installed it for a couple of friends. things break. that's why it gets SO many patches all the time. [09:59] another testimonial :p [10:00] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:00] using linux, you should know things don't break on their own :) [10:00] well, let's not talk about Ubuntu on this channel. It's Slackware's Channel :) [10:00] t0f (~10000@1Cust1700.an2.dca17.da.uu.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [10:04] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [10:05] i'm new to slackware and i like the minimal approach. sure it is more complicate to use all the tools the first time, but if you know the basicsm it's not more complicate than any other linux.distribution [10:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.64.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:05] micsch: glad you like it:) [10:05] hans (500@94.196.168.116.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] has the channel logs been mv'ed to a different server? [10:07] slackware isnt minimal [10:07] tripFantastic: you dont think so? [10:07] @t0f: the server is probably down [10:08] nop [10:08] slackid: ok, it seems to be down for about a week, so i figured i'd ask [10:11] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:12] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [10:12] tripFantastic: but its nearer to the unix-philosophy : make each program do one thing well. [10:12] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:12] you're almost correct [10:13] but dont mix slack-osophy with unix-osophy. [10:13] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [10:13] huh ? [10:13] heh [10:13] i trimmed "philosophy" [10:13] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.79.227) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:13] but slackware is not unix enough for you ? [10:14] slackware is one distribution of a member of the unix-family. [10:14] the question isnt really right. [10:14] no not really [10:14] linux doesn't have any real unix roots, it's a clone [10:15] wth do you think "unix-roots" means? [10:15] there are basically 2 branches of linux; slack was first then came debian [10:15] BSD [10:15] or solaris [10:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.162) joined ##slackware. [10:15] it's a member of that family of operating systems begun at bell labs [10:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:16] slackware was not the first dist of linux. [10:16] you want real unix? sco-unix, yikes! [10:16] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [10:16] but that's OK, since solaris feels very outdated [10:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] but how good is the hardware-detection? here i use an old p3-500 an everything works fine, also the wifi-card. but i'm a little bit afraid installing slack on my lenovo-sl300 [10:18] it detects the same as the kernel version that's installed [10:18] reallot some hd space into a new partition and install 2 of the disk-sets [10:18] a and n [10:18] and l [10:18] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::565d) joined ##slackware. [10:18] to see how slack works [10:18] a, ap, n, l [10:19] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] anyone running 2.6.33? [10:19] i'd add ap if slack boots after loading anl [10:19] crn_ (crn@mail.netunix.com) left ##slackware. [10:19] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:20] why not a full install if he's new to it [10:20] he doesnt know if slack will work on his lappy [10:20] yes but he creates a second partition ? [10:21] so not to disturb m# [10:21] if it does work he'll have to install x xap kde kdei k as well [10:21] sure [10:21] he dont need the whole to test [10:22] tripFantastic: good idea, thx [10:22] nick4b (~nick4b@62.1.249.77.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:22] offcourse not but people who install only distinct sets typically know what they're oing [10:22] or have a small hd [10:22] ubuntu works fine [10:22] so it thinks, slack will work also [10:23] yw [10:23] micsch: if linux supports your hardware, then linux will support your hardware. [10:23] :D [10:23] micsch for a mininal fresh install, make a partition of 3g. [10:23] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:24] you're setting him for more support later on tripFantastic [10:24] zaltekk: but i have to configure the hardware, which ubuntu does it for me [10:24] testing means, running tools; browsing online with elinks. [10:24] micsch: configure the hardware [10:24] ? [10:24] you want to help him later on resolving dependancies [10:24] slackwarists dont provide hand-holding :) [10:24] i dint get that; why should anyone else? :)~ [10:25] should i be loading firmware blobs as mods? [10:25] zaltekk: the software [10:25] micsch: can you give me an example of what you are talking about? [10:26] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:26] zaltekk: i mean for example to configure wpa_supplicant, i need the right driver and so on.. [10:27] you don't need to install a "driver" for wpa_supplicant [10:27] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [10:27] you just need to edit the configuration [10:27] or use wicd [10:27] you could easily have wicd do it for you [10:28] ok, i give slack a try [10:28] wicd is in extra if iirc [10:28] it isn't in extra anymore [10:28] hans (500@94.196.168.116.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:28] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [10:28] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:28] manhunter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Impersonating Pat V. did not help either. Grow up, get a life [10:29] wicd is in /extra [10:29] later people [10:29] really? i thought in 13.0 it moved out of extra [10:29] That explains why he's in #freenode asking for a command to 'list' channels he can get into [10:29] t0f (~10000@1Cust1700.an2.dca17.da.uu.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [10:29] i must have installed it without remembering =/ [10:30] OT hypnosis is a hoax no ? [10:30] slackpkg moved from /extra to supported, but wicd is still in /extra [10:30] hypnosis is not a hoax - mind control via hypnosis can be a hoax [10:31] i don't believe it alisonken1home ... then why didn't nobody ever happened to be dehypnotised because of some joke or such [10:32] goarilla: don't have a lot of time this morning, but it all goes back to what you thnk hypnosis is for [10:32] why can you watch a movie about hypnosis without being hypnotised [10:32] and how it can be used [10:32] ejeeter (~puffy@user-160urtn.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] it's for accessing repressed memories and stuff [10:33] but the subjects never seem to remember that they were hypnotised which i'm very sceptical about [10:33] be aware of ejeeter [10:33] so how many hits of crack rock do I have to smoke in order to become brain damaged enough to switch from BSD to Slackware/Linux ? [10:33] making racist comments in Linux names [10:33] Hello, my name is Ubuntu Linux. My license the GPL was devised by some Communist kike Jew Stallman and my name is Ubuntu because Ubuntu is dumbed down *nix and niggers have low IQs. [10:33] !ops [10:33] Lets all hold hands -- black, white and Jewish and celebrate ! Prepare for the slaughter of whites by low IQ nigger savages by mastermind Jews like Stallman like what happened in South Africa [10:34] ikonia there I just repeated myself for you [10:34] OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 ejeet2#0 i386 [10:34] w00t ! [10:34] omg, earthlink [10:35] ejeeter: You may want to realize and review freenode policy about racist comments et al. [10:35] thrice' yeah man it is AOL ! WTF ? [10:35] Dominian, your troll-meter is off :> [10:35] just looking how to contact the operators now, the guidelines link is down [10:35] our obsd troll is back. yay [10:35] thrice`: no.. its not off.. what he's doing violates network policy and can earn ejeeter a kline if not careful [10:35] Dominian you under the delusion that I care. Here in the USA we have freedom of speech but freenode is hosted in the UK now were they live under a tyranny that does not allow free speech [10:36] ummm [10:36] btw, the mention of wicd reminds me of something...i don't think that 1.7.0(from -current) is able to connect to wireless networks with spaces in their names. has anyone else had trouble with this? [10:36] freenode isn't hosted in the UK ejeeter [10:36] Alan_Hicks: Stx assistance please [10:36] Dominian : I mean if I get k-lined from freenode that will be the end of life -- it will be a tragedy of immense proportions [10:36] its hosted in many countries.. multiple servers [10:36] ejeeter: and freenode doesn't stand for 'free' speech [10:36] rworkman: nachox [10:36] you don't have freedom of speech on someone elses network. [10:37] Dominian right freenode stands for politically correct marcist speech [10:37] yes? [10:37] ejeeter: You sir, are an ignorant sort. [10:37] Dominian rather the opposite [10:37] ejeeter: stop using big words you don't understand [10:37] nachox: can you look at ejeeter please and his troll/racisim comments, he's hitting all channels [10:37] nachox: can you put an end to this? [10:37] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:37] this is not the first, nor last time, he's trolling here. [10:37] Probably a GNAA wannabe [10:37] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.cable.mindspring.com' by nachox!~Ignacio@190.51.24.45 [10:37] ejeeter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [10:37] with pleasure [10:38] thank you [10:38] nvision (~nvision@g225057213.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:40] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:40] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [10:42] xchat blinks when you guys say my name, so feel free to call if he is back [10:42] does anyone here uses normalize [10:43] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:43] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:43] nachox: oh haha I forgot I hve you on IM [10:43] I could've just 'pinged' you there [10:44] Action: nachox slaps Dominian [10:44] heh [10:44] that is right Dominian your powers are not really needed here [10:45] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:45] I thought we had the guy in slackboy's banlist [10:45] Action: Dominian has no powers [10:45] Action: nachox has the power of grayskull [10:45] kyle_ (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:45] what no longer a freenode op? [10:45] channel ops take care of channels ircops take care of the network. [10:46] i left my pink prince adam shirt at the washer though [10:46] panzer: for now. [10:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [10:47] micsch (~micsch@p54A566CD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:48] I think ejeeter needs to go back and review "Free Speech" again - there's specific guidelines on free speech as protected elements and what's considered not protected under it [10:50] you mean like denying the holocaust is illegal ? [10:51] in some places it actually is, but that is not relevant here [10:51] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] i still find it odd, free speech is regularised [10:51] no - like his earlier comment concerning "... the slaughter of whites by low IQ nigger savages ..." [10:52] nachox: you are still oped [10:52] denying the holocast is illegal is one thing, but inflammatory speech and things like shouting "Fire" when there's not is not protected speech [10:52] which i think is a slippery slope since free speech can then be censored. [10:52] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:52] panzer, i am. just in case he came back [10:52] not really - just think of >how< you say things, not the message itself [10:53] true but governement controls what is protected by it and what is not [10:53] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Goarilla, certainly from a theoretical perspective - but there are practical limits that civil society should uphold. [10:53] but all or nothing is not gonna work since a good portion of people are assholes [10:53] as a citizen, you also agree to your governmental oversight as well [10:54] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:54] mmmm you can't really not be a citizen anymore these days [10:54] And as we all know, nothing is free - everything else you have to pay for, one way or another. :) [10:54] you could be an illegal but that's illegal [10:54] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:55] anyway - looks like we're getting into ##slackware-offtopic territory here [10:55] ok i'll stop [10:55] Good [10:56] alienBOB - was going to ask you somethnig yesterday, but got sidetracked and forgot what I pinged you about [10:57] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:57] after doing more research on the issue, it seems like the wicd developers say that the bug isn't their fault, and that it has to do with kernel versions greater than 2.6.32.2, but i don't see it addressed as a kernel problem elsewhere [10:58] heh.. that spammer is so full of shiznit [10:58] he PM'd me after reading something on the freenode site hehe [10:59] hah [10:59] 15:59 Ignorance is bliss I supposed ejeeter. You seem to be well on your way :) [11:00] Yes.. i'll paste the conversation once it completes [11:00] :) [11:00] and there it is [11:00] what a batshit guy [11:01] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:02] I could /ignore.. [11:02] but what fun is that! [11:02] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Heya,folks [11:03] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [11:04] hiya MLanden [11:05] heya,hitest...how's it goin'? [11:07] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:09] and finally ejeeter ignored [11:09] he's just repeating the same crap in differnt ways [11:10] hiya MLanden:) it is going very well, thank you. how are you? [11:10] for viewing pleasure of ejeeter: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/q8HFIC42.html [11:11] just relaxin' for the early afternoon...thanks,hitest [11:13] Dominian: having fun I see? ;-) [11:14] Dominian: ha-ha, that is hilarious. enjoy! [11:15] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] not even a bad troll [11:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:18] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [11:18] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:19] I notice nobody brought up to ejeeve about what he would do if someone came into his house and started ragging on *bsd's [11:19] you mean his mom's basement [11:19] then brought up "free speech" arguments into it :) [11:20] alisonken1home: chances are somebody would go Epic Beard Guy on his stupid ass [11:20] heh [11:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:21] xkcd reference ? [11:21] youtube [11:21] hey, my friends mysqld keeps having some issues lately.. anyone have a suggestion on what to check? it's locked up right now. [11:22] any log entries on it? too many connections holding on to threads? hard to say without knowing more [11:22] but #mysql might be a better channel to ask (if it's there) [11:23] yea it's asleep it seems, only one or two people talking [11:23] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:23] show processlist; shows a bunch of locked items and a few others [11:24] sounds like a not-well written script somewhere [11:24] yea heh, my friend wasn't that awesome at coding efficient. he past away last month and i'm helping his wife keep their businesses up. [11:24] ah [11:25] ouch [11:25] my apologies [11:26] brz (~brz@201-67-30-80.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:26] yea he was my customer for like 8 years, never met him [11:26] but i spoke to him every day, was a good guy [11:27] brz (~brz@201-67-30-80.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [11:27] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:30] normally i would say it's either resource starvation or some stuff doing some blocking IO and stalling [11:30] and i would strace it [11:30] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:30] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [11:30] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [11:30] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:31] holw up while i apt-get install strace on this piece of crap debian [11:31] # strace -p 394 -s 50000 [11:31] Process 394 attached - interrupt to quit [11:31] select(14, [12 13], NULL, NULL, NULL [11:31] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [11:31] no movement [11:31] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:32] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Action: nachox laughs at jeev [11:32] bastage [11:32] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!~Ignacio@190.51.24.45 [11:32] you better be laughing cause it's debian [11:33] Don't forget to feed slackboy a bone. [11:33] we're just laughing at you because you're jeev. [11:33] thumbs, you're the mysql gotoguy while the other dood who helped me last time is afk [11:33] jeev: you have a question? [11:34] what the hell causes mysql to lock up via web, i'm logged in to it and show processlist shows 280 connections [11:34] but the site is not responding [11:34] jeev: use pconnect from php? [11:34] there's 277 locked queries and 3 other things which i've tried to killl.. i can restart mysqld and it'll work but this is the second time [11:34] jeev: are you using innodb, or myisam? [11:35] thumbs, it's my friends who passed away. let me see. [11:35] it's probably myisam because it should be default [11:35] that's default, no ? [11:36] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:37] hi, i want a suggest for an webcam app in kde i found digikam in SB site, there is a most used app for webcam in kde? [11:37] jeev: try innodb instead, and don't use pconnect from php. [11:37] i wonder what will be the default now that both mysql and innodb are oracles [11:38] thumbs, so convert the entire database to innodb [11:38] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-28-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:38] jeev: are you using full text search? [11:38] jeev: if you're not, use innodb. There is no valid reason to use myisam. [11:38] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:38] wtfover (~zero@h107.71.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] nachox: it's unlikely to change, for now. [11:39] thumbs, not sure but at the time his site was lagging.. tm604 helped me index one of the tables that wasn't indexed. that's all i know [11:39] jeev: yes, tm604 is ok. [11:39] jeev: but please try innodb. [11:39] his damn sql backed up is 2.2 gigs [11:39] jkwood: lol, you are cruel .. and i love it! mmmuuahahhaha. http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1876 [11:39] jeev: that's not that big. [11:40] the only pconnect i see are in some php's in admin.. so not sure if he's using pconnect [11:40] so if he uses that, shouldn't use innodb ? [11:41] lina (~lina@nl118-175-26.student.uu.se) joined ##slackware. [11:41] hi, what user/group permissions should I set on a usb drive with ext3 filesystem if I want to be able to move it to other linux computers and have full write access without having to chmod/chown it every time? [11:41] jeev: you should avoid pconnect and use innodb, but the two are not related. [11:41] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:42] i see, im still grepping to see if he uses pconnect on the public side [11:42] lina, root and you have to have root in every other machine you connet the device to [11:42] "innodb comes with a price, back up and restore may be more complicated" [11:42] jeev: hardly. [11:42] i wonder if it'll be an issue with directadmin, i cant even get my.cnf to stay the same [11:42] jeev: use mysqldump. With myisam, new admins think they can just rsync the data dir. [11:43] jeev: that's hardly a backup. [11:43] nachox: that seems overly complicated.. have to be root to rw a usb device? [11:43] yea i used to do that a long time ago :D [11:43] thumbs, innodb requires my.cnf mod ? [11:44] jeev: no, but you might want to tweak the buffers. [11:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [11:44] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [11:45] i need to find out how directadmin keeps modifying my.cnf [11:45] lina, ext3 stores uids, if all the boxes you have to use the usb stick with have the same uid to username mapping, you re ok [11:46] i would like to set up my box to run on two monitors simultaneously, is such a thing possible>? [11:46] easy [11:46] thumbs, if ibdata1 and logfiles exist in your data dir, is it possible that it's already running innodb ? [11:47] ahm, i saw the structure.. he's running isam [11:47] jeev: SHOW CREATE TABLE tbl\G [11:47] hi..i just wonder if anyone can point me where to find the Session Manager settings in slackware xfce4 [11:48] nachox: hmm.. they don't. is there any way around that? [11:48] jeev: myisam locks the WHOLE table if you insert / update it. [11:48] lina, unfortunately, no [11:48] ah well, thanks for the help [11:49] not a problem, sorry i could not solve your problem [11:49] wtfover (~zero@h107.71.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:49] ) ENGINE=MyISAM AUTO_INCREMENT=1567521 DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 | [11:49] yea [11:49] engrxyz: ~/.config and ~/.local I think. [11:49] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:49] lina, if you use another fs like fat32, the owner of the files is inherited from whoever mounted the thing [11:49] engrxyz: Or do you mean the configuration? [11:50] XGizzmo, : yeah the configuration...i want to run kde services [11:50] thumbs, so dump the database, sed the isam for innodb.. drop old database and import modified dump file ? [11:50] inside xfce4 [11:50] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.7) joined ##slackware. [11:51] jeev: no. [11:51] scary [11:51] jeev: ALTER TABLE tbl ENGINE = InnoDB; [11:51] hot. [11:51] olet me back up and stop apache [11:51] even though it's not working [11:52] jeev: yes, run mysqldump first. [11:53] engrxyz: I don't recall but I think it is all under the settings manager [11:54] XGizzmo, : nothing in there [11:55] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|busy [11:56] thumbs, so on all the tables. ALTER TABLE $table ENGINE = InnoDB; [11:56] how long should i expect it to take ? [11:57] jeev: depends on the number of rows, mostly. [11:57] im sure there are lots of rows :) [11:57] jeev: define 'lots' [11:58] the incriment on the thing i showed above was 1.5m [11:58] that's one table, isn't that a row ? [11:58] jeev: 1.5 million rows is nothing. [11:58] thumbs, 1.5 million dollars is nothing either but it still takes time to count it one by one :D [11:59] jeev: 1.5 million rows is nothing for mysql. [11:59] ok cool, doing now then [12:01] Query OK, 150059 rows affected (17.95 sec) [12:01] cool, doing them all now [12:02] i've seen the ChangeLog, and one month w/o changes, isn't it weird ? [12:02] eldragon, as it says.. it's a good thing there aren't any updates :D [12:03] the minor issues were the kernel [12:03] engrxyz, should be xfce4-session-settings then under advanced [12:03] nachox: not much use for a 10gb mkv file ;) [12:03] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] mkv? [12:04] matroska.. used for hd video content [12:05] cant you split the file into many components? [12:05] jeev: not bad, not bad. [12:05] yeah but thats not very convenient by any means :) [12:05] i don'thave to on a real fs.. thats why i don't want to use fat [12:06] Forum is still going [12:06] Query OK, 610295 rows affected (4 min 41.50 sec) ahh [12:07] oh, he even has a Forum_old haha [12:07] ok so another 30 min of downtime probably which is ok [12:09] MLanden, : thanks that works [12:09] engrxyz, np...which service were you trying? [12:09] MLanden: kvpnc.... [12:10] nvision (~nvision@g225057213.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:10] sirslacker|busy (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:11] engrxyz, ok [12:11] MLanden: but got issues now with permissions [12:11] MLanden: and that is on how I'll be able to run kde applications under xfce4 with my ordinary account [12:12] engrxyz, check kvpn's faq http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/faq.html [12:13] MLanden: yeah I'm in there already... 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[12:29] thumbs, the IPlog has been like 20 minutes now heh [12:30] i need to figure out how to do this, to make it smaller and more efficient [12:30] in a couple months, this sql will be running like mssql [12:31] i love slackware [12:31] plug into an HP printer and print, viola [12:31] Delahunt, i hate HP, specially on windows [12:31] adds like 50 processes [12:33] this was easy. plug USB, fire up CUPS, print [12:33] (add printer, print) [12:33] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:33] engrxyz, able to find the information on howto? [12:33] v3gard (~v3gard@158.36.36.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:34] Delahunt: yeah, it's too easy! [12:34] yea the first time i ran cups was like a month ago on the bigger HP and Lexmarks [12:34] worked just perfectly [12:36] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:38] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.cable.mindspring.com expired. [12:38] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:40] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:43] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] just a quick question... what mounts /dev/shm? [12:43] looks like the openbsd troll got unbanned again^ [12:44] nachox: can you give him a more permanent ban? [12:44] slava_dp, mount [12:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-49-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:44] sahk0: that's just so the channel banlist keeps short and sweet. As soon as he joins and slackboy detects that, he'll get kicked by the bot. [12:44] Delahunt, :) i mean, is it mounted by udev or by some startup script, or by what? [12:44] sirslacker|busy (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:44] BP{k}: great [12:45] slava_dp, run mount and check what is using it [12:45] as for what it gets used for typically, i don't know because i've never seen it mounted [12:45] er used [12:46] the question was... what mounts it? :-) [12:46] slava_dp, is it listed in fdtab? [12:46] slava_dp: "the mount command" [12:47] oh, damn, it's listed in fstab. *headdesk* [12:47] sahk0, i dont favor permanent bans, they usually dont come back anyway [12:47] whoops fstab* [12:47] slava_dp: since /dev/shm is by default in /etc/fstab .. it just get mounted at boot by the startup script. [12:47] ok, i can see it from here. thanks all :-) [12:47] farhat (~farhat@41.99.11.183) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] nachox: ok, sounds reasonable [12:51] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.134.234) joined ##slackware. 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[13:05] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:06] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:07] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:09] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:10] PseudoKroW (~reid@d47-69-148-177.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] bumpair (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Ignacio__ (~Ignacio@190.51.24.45) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Nick change: Ignacio__ -> nachox [13:11] man i love burritos [13:11] hi [13:13] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:13] i've installed slackware 13 64-bit, but i can't get any internet? [13:14] nachox_ (~Ignacio@190.51.24.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:15] i used netconfig in the correct way [13:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:18] bumpair: did you try to use wicd? [13:19] thumbs: no, i didn't [13:19] Internet? [13:20] i'm on another computer than the one who don't work [13:20] bumpair: wifi or ethernet [13:20] ethernet [13:20] you did the configuration wrong then [13:21] that happened to me as well [13:21] had to re-configure, worked fine [13:21] i did the same as i always did,....and now i've reinstalled slackware 13 several times :/ [13:25] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [13:25] mattgyver (~mattgyver@pool-71-178-119-81.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [13:27] thumbs: Query OK, 2297228 rows affected (1 hour 3 min 57.60 sec) [13:27] jeebus [13:27] lol [13:28] i wish i could see how many rows in it before it goes through but it's too late [13:28] hah what database are you using? [13:29] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:30] mysql [13:30] shit, i know the next table is HUGE. i'm not even screened [13:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i get this error message: Could not parse XML file (), when i try to configure in network-settings [13:31] bumpair, usually slackware installs just fine the first time. no need to reinstall, it's not windows. [13:31] XML file? [13:31] jeev: why exactly are you switching to innodb? [13:31] paste your exact command line that you use. [13:31] thumbs suggested it. a lot of locking or something [13:32] friends database had 280 connections just stuck. [13:32] i'm doing it in xfce - network settings [13:32] using innodb won't solve that ;) [13:32] bumpair: are you using the KDE network settings? [13:32] bumpair, xfce or kde won't bring you luck. shell -> netconfig. [13:32] oh nevermind [13:33] i dont know, if you could scroll up and see.. who knows [13:33] bumpair: don't mess with that. Edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [13:33] ok [13:33] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [13:33] jeev probably better to ind the root cause of the hang than to perform brain surgery on the database [13:33] find sorry [13:33] jeev: I'm not sure about this, but if the table is really big, creating a new table and then inserting all the values from the old might be faster [13:33] GooseYArd, im not a coder, i dont know whats going on. all i know is that it's my friends code and he's not around anymore obviously (he passed away) and his wife needs to continue making money off the sites? [13:33] ok, i will give it a try! NaCl [13:34] tnx [13:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:37] PseudoKroW (~reid@d47-69-148-177.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:37] briareus (~briareus@56.sub-75-244-33.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] briareus (~briareus@56.sub-75-244-33.myvzw.com) left irc: Changing host [13:37] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [13:39] jeev: how big is the application using it. As in how many users does it have? [13:39] it's just a php "game" site [13:39] has a few thousand users i'd guess, simultaneously maybe 500 [13:40] is there some sort of thread pool for the database already? If not it might be worth looking at [13:41] pprkut, i dont know anything about databases, i use notepad for my billing database :D [13:41] bumpair (~bumpair@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:41] haha, ok :) [13:44] Artio (~a@port-15531.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [13:48] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:51] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [13:52] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [13:52] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:55] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:58] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. 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[15:03] Nick change: shawn__ -> kytan [15:03] hello [15:03] hello? [15:03] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [15:04] hi kytan [15:04] I am having trouble ssh i get an error i can't even ssh into the computer i'm currently using and i just booted and sshd always boots with the computer [15:05] kytan, what command line do you use? [15:05] xterm [15:05] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-32.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:05] i don't get an error excuse me i get a warning [15:05] hahahaha [15:05] greetings and salutations [15:06] greetings andarius [15:06] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.10) joined ##slackware. [15:06] kytan, no, I mean what do you type? [15:06] salutations pprkut [15:06] kytan, what warning? [15:06] oh sorry [15:06] hi andarius [15:06] WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFACATION HAS CHANGED! [15:06] but it hasn't changed [15:07] it's the same as always even my own computer i can't get into [15:07] BUT [15:07] salutations dive [15:07] i can log into one of the servers at my school [15:07] 1 of 2 [15:07] the other it i think got shut down [15:07] kytan: if it reports that it has changed, than it HAS changed! [15:07] so i think it's local [15:07] kytan, well it thinks it has so you need to edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and delete the entry for the computer IP address [15:08] k [15:10] k must i restart the computer or can i just go and try to ssh [15:10] you don't need to restart [15:10] just try to ssh [15:10] okay yup it's working [15:10] thank you so much [15:11] This isn't Windows - you don't need to reboot every time you cough ;-) [15:11] and you're welcome [15:11] hahahhah i know all about that lol [15:11] i used to be a huge fan of windows till my friend showed me the power of slackware [15:11] i was amazed [15:11] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] it took me a while to work out my issues i didn't like but i find ways to get around my problems and made slackware perfect for me [15:12] :) [15:12] Good to hear :) [15:12] Yes :) [15:12] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:12] I'll have to remember you dive your a great guy [15:12] or girl [15:12] lol [15:12] We all like to help out if we can [15:12] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [15:12] er guy ;-) [15:13] lol k not offense i didn't want to be all wierd lol [15:13] i can't wait to get my new lapotp [15:13] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. 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[15:35] it's the rapture :D [15:35] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [15:36] yeah it's a storm here [15:36] or there are more video cameras and faster reporting out there [15:36] yeah but still [15:36] 2 major earthquakes this year [15:36] maybe there are more, but the crime effect might be happening [15:36] and a tsunami [15:36] when i was young a tsunami was like theoretical [15:36] for example, public perception is that crime is going up--thanks to more reporting--but facts show its going down down down [15:37] well in our capital it's going up [15:37] police people are getting shot by ak47's [15:38] no, they are getting shot by people. people holding ak47s [15:38] :D [15:38] Artio (~a@port-15531.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [15:38] the gun is just a tool. If I am motivated enough, I can turn a fork into an 'assault weapon'. [15:39] i know i know [15:39] jeev: back from the airport. [15:39] 20 years ago they were getting shot if that by people with palletguns at max [15:39] Razec (~razec@187.10.15.68) joined ##slackware. [15:39] pprkut: yes, innodb will prevent table locks, at least. [15:39] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:39] uh oh, battery almost depleted. Need to sign off. [15:39] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:41] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [15:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:43] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [15:43] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-102.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:54] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-205.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [15:55] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [15:56] yurakeshi (0@189.35.62.158) joined ##slackware. [15:56] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:56] yurakeshi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: IRCing as root is dangerous. Please reference "IRCing as root" via google.com for further guidance. [15:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-120.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [16:04] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:04] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:04] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:05] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [16:07] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:09] I was wondering if looking for 'IRCing as root' on google actually turned anything, seems not... "Irving Root Canal dentist, Toothache, Tooth Pain, TX" [16:10] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:10] nice. [16:11] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:13] s/IRCing/irc/ [16:14] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-115-32.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-97.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] MoMo (~drstroker@ip70-181-252-58.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [16:19] Camarade_Tux: indeed. what a worthless advice. first few google pages have nothing to do with that issue [16:21] actually, i take it back. google defaults to 'irving as root' [16:21] yeah, it "corrects" it [16:21] but the results are definitely useless [16:22] ircing is not a word [16:22] google for irc as root [16:23] hence my 16:13 < andarius> s/IRCing/irc/ [16:23] or actually using irc as root [16:23] nachox: in which case the bot ought to be adjusted [16:23] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:23] the fifth hit if you do that from argentina is http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/08/27/never-irc-as-root/ [16:23] Razec (~razec@187.10.15.68) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-205-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:24] nachox: it's first one here. [16:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*home.tm.net.my' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:24] ananke, will do once i get to ron [16:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:25] done [16:25] although let's be honest. if the 'it's insecure to irc as root' was really that big of a deal, the correct way of solving would be to irc as an underprivileged user, not as your regular one [16:25] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:25] similar to what windows does with UAC [16:26] rworkman: thank you. that will be a bit more useful to those who happen to be affected by that kick :) [16:26] also it is unsafe to irc more than 12 hours per day since you'll get fat and die of heart disease [16:26] the nasty nopasswd sudo key :P [16:26] or to irc while driving [16:26] There may potentially be other bans in place with the same message; I only fixed one. 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[16:31] ananke, ha, working in my area you see a lot of these things. allowing to run with root privileges a script that is owned by the user, allowing rsync with it, vi or any other command that lets you fork a shell, the list is endless [16:33] that's because most people don't know how to configure sudo or most people run single user machines and it's just more convenient to be less secure [16:33] most people do run single user machines [16:34] sudo is not the problem, the administrators just dont usually think what can be done with every command [16:34] ^ [16:34] i partly blame the sudoers manual tho to first try to forcelearn people EBNF [16:35] with their not so clear small synopsis [16:35] cat is one i've seen in a lot of places too [16:35] sudo's syntax is just painful [16:35] it is [16:36] it reminds me a little bit of make [16:36] but i havent seen anything better, AIX way to do rbac is painful, solaris' too [16:36] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] and from what i've seen sudo is the only thing that lets you restrict the parameters you can pass to every command [16:37] and have some control over shell escapes [16:38] nah, solaris' rbac is better than sudo in that regard, you can strip the command of many privileges [16:38] gtk2+ is getting really old in slackware (13 months), anyone know if an update is planned? [16:38] there's op, which is similar to sudo, but no longer developed [16:38] the same can be done with aix enhanced rbac [16:38] Action: goarilla wonders if opensolaris has that feature 2 [16:39] how old is it the solaris rbac ? [16:39] from solaris 8 [16:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:39] since we have a 10 year old 4 socket sun machine at work [16:40] if it's on wheels, it may be e450 [16:40] i doubt it tho we still use telnet for administration [16:40] solaris 8 was released in 2000 [16:40] ouch. why not install ssh? even from blastwave.org [16:41] our unix system admin doesn't know the word updating and patching [16:41] but i dont think it had privileges, that is a solaris 10 thing, so that cant be done [16:41] ananke, i'd say ssh is the least of their problems, i bet its not patched... and solaris 8 is out of support [16:42] Action: ananke would love to kick out the remaining solaris boxes from his network [16:42] heh [16:43] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [16:43] anyway, be careful with sudo :P [16:43] :D [16:44] specially if you run it in old aix boxes that cannot prevent shell access [16:45] i was crying previously week since they force new research assistants to use csh and vi and set stacksize limits [16:45] previous* [16:47] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:48] csh? i would cry over that the first few weeks. the rest is not that nasty. vi is actually ok [16:48] i mean that's just harsh [16:48] vi is ok for you and me [16:48] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] not for people who well have never touched a command line on any OS [16:49] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:49] They'll learn to run "exec bash" soon ehough... [16:50] yeah i told her to do that, since on the csh backspace and delete gave ^H chars [16:50] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [16:50] and it was driving her nuts [16:50] id say 5 reboots average for someone to realise the world cant be that harsh (vi) [16:50] if it is linux, they can always run chsh -s /bin/bash and be done with it [16:51] it's and old sun box [16:51] so they need to edit $HOMR/.login iirc [16:51] goarilla, then a variant of ksh is the only usable shell [16:52] there is bash 2.05 on it [16:52] Artio (~a@port-15531.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY! [16:52] SunOS 5.x, sounds like [16:54] pretty much every solaris you'll see these days is a sunos 5.x :P [16:54] Oh, well, early one then. [16:55] The old UA server was SunOS something, and it had bash-2.05 on it. [16:55] I no longer have a login on it, so I can't check the uname string now [16:56] i do think you're right rworkman [16:56] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:56] the first solaris to come with bash was solaris 10, in all the earlier versions it came from a third party [16:57] Action: alienBOB provides 3rd line support for like a 1000 developers on Solaris 8 and 10 (mostly 10 by now) and brooding on a migration plan towards Linux [16:58] my administrator is looking to use opensuse on ... microsoft server 2008 with hyper-v virtualpc [16:58] "SunOS sremote 5.9 Generic_122300-16 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-100" is our University's login node [16:58] that has bash 2.05 [16:58] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: yes, real people do exist. and the speak when found in the wild... no client required :o [16:59] from blastwave [16:59] type which bash [17:00] No match [17:00] strange :/ [17:00] find /opt -name bash [17:00] alienBOB: are they currently using the sun compilers? [17:01] oh, make sure /opt doesnt have nfs mounts or your admin will hate you [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] GooseYArd: compilation is submitted to our load sharing facility (LSF) and that runs Linux and Solaris - no idea what compilers [17:04] ah cool [17:04] alienBOB, where are you working atm? [17:04] so theyre not compiling on their workstations a lot? [17:05] nachox: there's a /usr/bin/bash, with /usr/bin being in my $PATH [17:05] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [17:06] is it a link to somewhere else? i dont think solaris 9 has bash [17:06] no, it's a binary: /usr/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, stripped [17:07] nachox: ASML [17:07] i thought it was ibm... [17:08] YEs I am an IBM employee but working at ASML under contract [17:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:11] nachox: there's /opt/arch/gnu/bin/bash and /opt/arch/bin/bash as well [17:11] both binaries as well [17:12] alienBOB, oh, i see. ibm there is like adecco then? they hire people to make them work for someone else? [17:13] they are not an interim [17:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428091.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] alienBOB: have you seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHJHfLLJtk [17:18] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [17:18] nachox: no, we have an outsourcing deal with ASML and I am part of that contract [17:19] goarilla: I have a habit of not blindly clicking URLs [17:19] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:20] its youtube [17:20] I see that. [17:20] it's a dutch short dry comedy cartoon [17:21] it runs on 'man bijt hond' [17:21] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [17:23] oh no not the bitchkabouter [17:23] whatsisname [17:23] he's brilliant [17:24] "dry" is not the word. dehydrated until dead, regurgitated, undone of all semblance of sense, and recycled [17:24] mag0o (20001@74.255.51.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:25] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] it rocks :D [17:30] agreed [17:30] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:30] surrealism lifted to a great height, then shat upon [17:31] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:31] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:32] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:35] Has anyone configured alsa to clone sound from the default device to a usb headset? [17:36] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [17:37] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] personally, i've found alsa's (lisp-like) configuration impenetrable :/ [17:39] you have to use a plugin for that (IIRC) [17:40] trhodes, copy I expect. This _is_ hard. [17:40] I think the two cards would get out of sync over time using alsa [17:40] dive, I read that too... [17:40] i've gone to pulse myself [17:40] I've heard pulseaudio can do it [17:40] it even has a nice slackbuild [17:40] pulse is no good with wine, I'm afraid. [17:40] pulseaudio just makes more sense to me [17:40] hmm [17:40] what about esd + wine ? [17:40] or even oss ? [17:41] oss wine driver under pulseaudio? [17:41] (sorry, i don't know anything about wine) [17:41] sure, there's typically ay least 3 ways to get (non pulse aware) sound data to pulse [17:42] esd, oss, alsa [17:43] (maybe even JACK? speculation...) [17:44] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [17:44] Far too complicated. I think if I can get the usb headset to be set default on boot (hotplug would be harder) that would be acceptable. [17:45] so... just forget the cloning of sound ? [17:45] I quess so. The sync problems would be bad. [17:46] Action: trhodes thinks you ought to consider pulse some more :) - but OK :) [17:46] trhodes, me and pulseaudio have a history.. [17:46] ok ;) [17:48] so, you want alsa-aware applications to just use the usb headset? Yesterday, I showed someone how to alias the sound devices (so that the sound devices always come up with the same name at boot) [17:49] naming devices (so you don't have race conditions for device naming at boot) is indeed simple [17:50] dios_mio (~test@88.242.166.210) joined ##slackware. [17:50] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:50] i installeth debian [17:50] lina (~lina@nl118-175-26.student.uu.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:51] byteframe: have you seen this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards ? [17:52] actually, #Wrong_cards_order_with_similar_sound_cards [17:53] trhodes, using those module options is what im planning on. [17:53] Make the usb the first card. [17:53] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:55] byteframe: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/.asoundrc -- you might want to make it the default, but I'm not sure [17:55] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:57] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] byteframe: crap, i see you already know that much :) how are you using alsa? individual apps like mplayer or some softphone or a whole desktop environment ? [17:58] trhodes, whole desktop environment. xfce. [17:58] trhodes, /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf, correct? [18:00] sure (the names of files under modeprobe.d are only for you to remember; it's like cron in that respect) [18:00] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-37-137.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:00] *modprobe [18:00] trhodes, ok cool. [18:00] trhodes, might you know why its "options snd-card" instead of "options snd_card". The actual modules use the underscore. [18:01] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hmm, no, i'll look at it though [18:01] no big deal. just a curiosity. [18:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:02] man 5 modprobe.conf will tell you more [18:02] Action: trhodes is being lazy today :) [18:03] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.6.211) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [18:03] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:05] byteframe: xfce 4.6 ? [18:05] trhodes, yes. [18:06] hmm, some archwiki page (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#New_Xfce4.6) says it uses gstreamer... but now I don't know what I'm talking about :P [18:06] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:07] trhodes, I think I'm working my way to a usable solution here... [18:07] (i've never played with xfce sounds) ok good [18:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [18:09] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [18:10] dios_mio (~test@88.242.166.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] nvision (~nvision@g225057213.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:11] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:13] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:13] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [18:14] has anyone tried moonlight? [18:15] echelon: I have, but not on slackware [18:16] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:16] it keeps crashing for me [18:16] perhaps it's moonlighting [18:16] for debian [18:16] :/ [18:16] echelon: I haven't had much luck with it either, I tried it with bing maps, I seen a feature it had that I wanted to try, but wouldn't work. [18:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:16] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [18:17] I tried with the latest 3 beta 3 or whatever it is. [18:17] it wouldn't work? or it crashed for you as well? [18:17] yeah, i installed the firefox plugin [18:17] does it require the mono runtime? [18:17] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:17] echelon: yeah, FF plugin here as well, it worked as in it tried to load, but then bing maps gave some message. [18:18] hrm [18:18] I can't recall what it gave. Apparently you needed it to watch the olympics stuff online too, I hadn't tried that at all. [18:19] lol, that's what i was trying to do [18:20] echelon: I'll try viewing some olympics stuff here, sec. [18:20] k [18:22] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Hmm, it brought up a Moonlight Codecs Installer. :P [18:22] trhodes, thanks for your help earlier, [18:22] i don't even get that [18:22] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:23] echelon: It's grabbing some codecs, aside from that, looks like it's gonna work here. Did you grab the beta 3 of moonlight, apparently it won't work with any other version. [18:23] yeah, beta 3 [18:23] ok [18:23] nvision (~nvision@e179139185.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:24] but when i check the version in the extensions list, it says 2.99.0.3 [18:25] echelon: yeah, that's right. [18:25] oh ok [18:25] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] echelon: I don't think this would matter, but which FF version? I'm on 3.6 [18:26] me too [18:27] i had 3.5.1 before and i had the same problem [18:27] byteframe: you're welcome :) [18:28] echelon: In about:plugins in FF, you don't have any plugins that would conflict, do you? [18:28] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [18:28] oy, FF just crashed now. :P [18:28] codecs were to much evidently. [18:28] hrm [18:29] no, nothing apparently conflicting [18:29] other than silverlight i have adobe reader, svg, and flash [18:30] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::553d) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Quick question: ATI X1200, 3D Rendering, Slackware-current, any ideas? I can't install the proprietary driver, it cant even detect the X version. Running without xorg.conf gives kinda 3D ( Kwin desktop cube works ) but its very slow and glxinfo | grep -i "direct" doesnt return a single bit... [18:31] ok, trying it again here, I think the codecs did get installed. [18:31] Axtroz, try glxinfo | grep -i dri [18:31] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] glxinfo changed a bit in current [18:32] or is it grep -i ren [18:33] Hmmm don't recall offhand without booting up my current box [18:34] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:34] zmyrgel (~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:34] zmyrgel (~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:35] chipster (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [18:36] echelon: ok, codecs installed, the video is playing just fine now. [18:36] O_o [18:36] so what did you do [18:37] echelon: not sure what is going on with yours. You should really at least get this codecs installer thing I would assume. [18:38] echelon: this is what bing maps gives me with moonlight: Sorry, Bing Maps is having trouble doing what you want right now. :P [18:39] dive, it says it works just fine [18:39] Axtroz, which is it by the way dri or ren? [18:39] Just so I can note it. [18:39] both [18:40] xD [18:40] ah ok [18:40] sec [18:40] i'll pastebin it [18:40] what sort of fps do you get with glxgears? [18:41] 300 [18:41] max. [18:41] ouch [18:41] exactly [18:41] I know X1200 is not that mighty but.. 300 ? [18:42] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-205-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: see ya [18:44] what's a good ftp server? [18:44] fire|bird: can i just place silverlight-media-pack-linux-x86-5-1.so in /usr/lib/mozilla? [18:45] echelon: you could try that, yeah, it'd be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [18:46] echelon: make sure there isn't another moonlight/silverlight file in there already, otherwise they will conflict with each other. [18:46] dive, any idea how to raise it ? Perhaps using newest libdrm ? [18:47] Not sure really. It may work, but I couldn't say. [18:47] echelon: Did anything to do with silverlight/moonlight show up in about:plugins before? [18:47] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:50] echelon: What it shows as in FF for me is "Silverlight Plug-in: File: libmoonloaderxpi.so [18:50] yeah, i had that before [18:51] ok [18:51] just double checking. :) [18:52] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [18:52] oh, it had to go in.. ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/extensions/moonlight\@novell.com/plugins/ [18:53] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:53] lol, does it work now? [18:53] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:54] no! -_- [18:54] :( [18:54] still showing up in about:plugins though? [18:54] yeah [18:55] Hmm, odd [18:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:58] even pages without video crashes [18:59] this is pointless [19:03] nvision (~nvision@e179139185.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:04] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:05] goarilla (~goarilla@163.243-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:06] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:07] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:07] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [19:09] echelon: hah you running 64bit? [19:09] no [19:09] moonlight exploded my browser immediately [19:09] heh [19:11] moonlight didn't work for me, so I gave up without much effort.. I don't care for the olympics that much [19:12] i just wanted to watch the hockey game tonight, but it's already over [19:12] and Canada one [19:12] won* [19:12] i was just making an effort to make it work as people kept saying how better silverlight is than flash, etc, etc [19:13] it is? [19:13] I'd rather see it all be html5 :D [19:13] yeah plugins suck [19:13] fire|bird: yeah. I'm not a real hockey fan, but, I'm glad Canada won. [19:14] I wonder if better would translate into "takes twice the time to load a crappy video".. bah [19:14] hitest: any particular reason? [19:14] huh? [19:14] because he kicks puppies [19:15] lol [19:15] ha-ha [19:15] :) [19:15] echelon: Uhm, he's lives in Canada? :) [19:15] ah ok [19:15] there ya go [19:16] hitest: yeah, I am not all that much of a hockey fan, so I didn't really care who one. [19:17] yeah. I saw some of the video clips, didn't watch the game [19:20] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:21] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:23] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:27] pair0doc (~user@68-188-252-182.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] I just installed 13.0 on a new partition with an 11.0 on another partition and now the 11.0 wants me to run the vmware-config.pl script. I think it is something with my map file and lilo any suggestions? [19:29] pair0doc: just run it [19:30] I can not remember all my network settings that is my worry.. [19:30] You dont need to [19:30] just rerun it and hit enter to everything that is asked [19:30] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:31] will try but that box is doing NAT for like 4 networks. and it has to be up by tonight. [19:31] Ok? [19:31] Just do it [19:32] now that we have slackpkg, is it necessary to run that 'rsync-slack-current' script anymore? [19:32] I have not updated in a while [19:34] has jkwood been around? [19:35] also, does gnashley visit here ? [19:36] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [19:36] dchmelik: where does your slackpkg mirror point to? [19:37] He's really more elongated-rectangle shaped than round. [19:37] hehe [19:37] hi :D [19:37] I've heard that jkwood has been arund the block several times and then some. [19:38] I do have a level 80 paladin. [19:38] Howdy. [19:38] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] hello everyone [19:39] howdy [19:39] it is good to see some chatter in there [19:40] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.30) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Chatter is for terrorists. [19:40] Action: jkwood waits for the FBI to come punish him for that joke [19:40] but don't they also call military communications chatter? [19:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:41] jkwood: you still have a dell? [19:41] Yup. Typing on it at this moment, and trying to avoid unplugging it, since I fried my new battery. [19:42] ah, i have a battery issue as well.. sometimes it just doesn't charge at all [19:42] i have to turn it off and try to plug it in and out until i get the battery charging led indicator on [19:43] BP{k}: I do not know where my slackpkg mirror points to [19:43] it is just whatever is on Slackware64 13.0 [19:43] trhodes: never seen him here [19:43] dchmelik: and you run -current? [19:43] actually i still run 13.0 [19:43] dchmelik: well here's perhaps a little hint .. go find it out. [19:44] Odd... I had some problems with my original power adapter, it developed a short inside it. I disassembled and fixed it temporarily, but I ended up buying an aftermarket adapter to fix that. [19:44] by default slackpkg doesn't have a mirror selected, and should warn you as such. [19:44] yes, I just saw the .conf [19:44] slackpkg.... [19:44] the .conf has nothing to do with it. [19:44] but there is no mirror in it [19:45] /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [19:45] whats a good mirror for it? [19:45] ty straterra [19:45] that is weird the .conf mentions mirrors then [19:45] i use osuosl [19:46] Camarade_Tux: Thanks [19:46] would current or 13 be better? [19:47] Cann0n: that depends on what you want to do. [19:48] hmm... [19:48] which has more available to it? [19:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:48] i'll go with 13 [19:49] Cann0n: -current is for testing purposes and debugging. And really does expect you know what you are doing .. silly questions as "how do I make slackpkg work" is not something that I [and several others] care to answer for people running -current. [19:49] Cann0n: while -current often has newer stuff in it than 13.0 it also may break at any given point [althoguh due care and such is taken] [19:49] especialling since i'm on 64bit [19:50] what does that matter? [19:50] why wouldn't it matter? [19:51] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:51] the stability of -current has nothing to do with the arch [19:51] hmmm [19:51] it's just experimental [19:51] release candidates [19:52] especially as 32/64bit pretty much get the same updates etc. The qustion is more of "slackware stable vs slackware-current" whatever the arch [19:52] k [19:52] ah, 64-bit.. maybe one day I will try it once again. maybe it'll agree with me in a year [19:53] nowadays, i have as much trouble building random 32 bit packages as 64 bit [19:53] 64bit has gotta better singe 2005 [19:53] since* [19:53] ie, with things that wont build on one arch or another (for whatever reason) [19:54] The main thing holding 64-bit back right now is emulation. [19:54] i'm still new to 64bit [19:55] jkwood: yeah, i noticed that [19:55] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:55] I had trouble getting several programs working in 64 bit that I wanted, then flash refused to function with any sort of reliability.. was only working on firefox 3.0 (not 3.5) up until the browser crashed, then it stopped altogether :/ [19:55] Well, that and 32-bit binary-only software, though there's not much of that. [19:55] i think it was you that told me about wine on 64bit [19:55] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] raela: my distro came with flash already built in [19:55] Yeah, wine is the big one. Pretty much any of the game system emulators are 32-bit only, as well. [19:55] also, I may be crazy, but I'm pretty sure firefox took longer to load when I had 64 bit :/ just like.. the initial open and ready to go to a webpage [19:56] but i've read it was hard [19:56] Cann0n: what distro? [19:56] I haven't seen anything on 64-bit be "slower" than 32-bit [19:56] echelon: i'd rather not say. some people bitch about it. [19:56] also, the big thing I wanted to get working was stepmania.. there is apparently 64 bit for it, but I couldn't get the damn thing to work.. spent several days on it then gave up [19:56] 64-bit flash isn't difficult. I've been using it since there was a 64-bit flash plugin. [19:57] zenwalk? [19:57] i've noticed this machine boots faster than my pentium 4 [19:57] Cann0n: We don't mind if you use it, just don't come to us for support. [19:57] thrice`: there was a longer lag in showing the browser history, during which the browser would freeze. it was a few seconds longer in the 64bit setup I had [19:57] echelon: no. [19:57] i don't know any distros that have flash pre-installed [19:57] raela: Fresh profile? [19:58] jkwood: this was tho convo i was trying to avoid. [19:58] BlueWhite ?! [19:58] (rhetorical) [19:58] jkwood: I downloaded the 64bit flash from adobe.. instructions said to run the installer, but the package only had the plugin. I stuck in in every .mozilla/mozilla/firefox/etc dir I had plus all of the /plugin dirs they had.. flash wouldn't work [19:58] trhodes: Gah-ross. [19:58] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [19:59] .mozilla/mozilla/firefox doesn't seem right ;) [19:59] jkwood: I wanted to keep my history, so I wasn't going to clear out the profile to speed things up [19:59] thrice`: and I put it in /usr/bin/puppies, too! [20:00] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:00] have ya'll seen than 1 second boot on SlashDot? [20:00] I had firefox 3.5.x installed in /usr and 3.0.x installed in /home.. so, I put the plugin in both of those dirs, plus all of the .dirs in ~.. better? :P [20:01] O.o [20:01] i wouldn't install two like that [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [20:01] luckily, she's smarter than you :> [20:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:02] thrice`: why are you always on my case? [20:02] oh c'mon, it was a joke [20:02] oh.. ok. lol [20:02] oh, trust me, it was a stupid reason that I had to, but for whatever reason, the one in /home worked with flash, up to a point. I no longer use that one, though [20:03] lol [20:03] Cann0n: If he didn't make fun of you, you would think he didn't like you anymore. [20:03] lol [20:03] jkwood: i guess i mixed the two up [20:03] lanmower (~JamesVos@41.11.186.219) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Action: jkwood digs into the flash SlackBuild [20:04] in the end, I decided dealing with several hours, if not a day or two, of frustrated linux use was not worth the supposed benefit of 64bit.. so I went back to 32bit [20:05] er, dealing with that just to get one random thing working [20:05] raela: how long ago was this? [20:05] lo :) [20:06] hardly been here in 4 years [20:06] moly holy [20:06] Cann0n: put 64bit on this laptop in august, removed it in september [20:06] i wish i knew about freenode when i started using linux [20:06] raela: ah. [20:07] i'm impressed with it [20:07] when i first heard of 64bit, i was like, 10wtfs? sounds like a hassle [20:07] 64bit has come a long way for slackware in the past 5 years [20:07] yeah it has [20:08] it put slam64 in the obsolete world [20:08] omg slamd [20:08] wha? [20:08] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:08] now that was a hassle [20:08] Slamd64 isn't obsolete.. just 'behind' a bit [20:08] last time i checked, it's been a while since slam64 had any updates on the site [20:08] Cann0n: yeah, fred works with the Slackware64 team iirc [20:09] Dominian: thank you for the correction [20:09] Dominian: yes [20:09] yeah its now all combined, like it should be [20:09] slamd64 made slackware64 possible [20:09] I can't think of a single benefit of me putting a 64bit os on my personal laptop. the new workstation in the lab is 64bit because it would actually be useful.. and anything it runs will be optimized for 64bit [20:09] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [20:09] well, AFAIK faster arithmetic [20:10] There is still little benefit for folk like me, I have little ram, and I doubt that theres any speed improvements even when building your own packages unless the developers had 64bit in mind for the app at hand. [20:10] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] There's speed benefits, just not drastic speed benefits. [20:11] It's a question of speed over memory efficiency. [20:11] the drastic ones come from the memory :) [20:11] hi jkwood [20:11] Howdy [20:11] long time since you heard me ramble on :) [20:11] mostly my computer is just used for irssi, pidgin, playmp3list, and firefox.. with a dash of mplayer. no fancy needs here [20:11] It's been a while since I've been around for everyone else to hear me ramble on. ;) [20:12] sortremord (~morgoth@187.52.22.181) joined ##slackware. [20:12] I remember upgrading to ddr memory 7-odd years ago. [20:12] I was very disappointed. [20:13] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [20:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:13] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:13] haha, I remember my brother making me switch to ddr memory.. I wanted to stick with sdram cause it was cheaper, damnit. so he offered to pay the price difference [20:14] I think a negligably faster hard drive will make a more noticable difference to your os and proggies than memory that runs at 4 times the speed in many cases. (I am talking tangible difference though, not benching) [20:15] It would. Computer architecture is all about balancing bottlenecks. [20:15] yeah, and guess whats still the slowest memory bus lol [20:15] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:15] The CPU is faster than the registers are faster than the memory is faster than flash drives is faster than hard drives is faster than the network is faster than the end user. [20:17] lol [20:17] having owned a computer shop, I find it amazing how the average user ignores the benefit of a good hdd [20:17] this computer boots within 20 seconds [20:17] My game loads forever, and I have 4 gigs of ram [20:17] shit, nexuiz runs like a champ [20:18] (of wich 3.5 gigs are free lol) [20:18] i got 2 gigs [20:18] me too [20:18] it's nice to have that much [20:18] se no need for no more [20:19] same here [20:19] this cpu is onlf 1.8ghz [20:19] s/onlf/only [20:19] ew [20:19] intel right [20:19] for the past 5 years, I've only had laptops.. my desktop crashed and burned, and by the time I got it back running, it was very outdated.. dead again and no point to revive [20:19] they've really overpushed those 1.8 celerons [20:20] my cat sprayed by fiance's motherboard while the pc was on... [20:20] cleaned it with spirits [20:20] dried it [20:20] raela: what do you mean by 'dead'? [20:20] back together and it worked [20:20] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:20] the next day it happened again. :/ [20:21] repeated the process and it still works :) [20:21] nooper: who knows. I think it may be the motherboard this time.. I believe the fans come on, but nothing happens. it's been sitting in the closet for 6 months so I don't quite remember [20:21] nah this is a AMD64 [20:21] nooper: the computer is probably 8 years old so I'm not too concerned [20:21] Cann0n: respect [20:21] my other computer is 2.8chz P4 and it only came with 256mb ram [20:22] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:22] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-120.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:22] I have been using only amd/msi since I've had my business, repairing other peoples trash really gave me a feel for sniffing out the good stuff from a price list. [20:22] evening folks :-) [20:23] s/chz/ghz [20:23] yeah, i love this laptop [20:23] Action: jkwood beats macavity about the head with a wooden spoon [20:23] I've revived an ancient compaq laptop with a 4G HD and 64 MB ram -- it runs slack fine (when you trim down the install) [20:23] this laptop has amd/ati, other laptop is intel.. I like the other one better. I had trouble getting direct rendering with the ati card [20:24] raela: I'm really not surprised, ati's support is horrific. [20:24] jkwood: heh :-) [20:24] I shudder at the fact that even my south bridge is ati. [20:24] i love ati [20:25] Action: lanmower shudders [20:25] the dead desktop had a relatively new 160gb hd (need to buy an enclosure for it) and had the cpu upgraded not too long before it died again.. brother made me get an amd sempron 1900 and it ended up unsupported by the mobo.. wanted to just replace what had died in it [20:25] Action: jkwood goes digging for his bash scripting guide [20:25] raela: does it fit in the slot? [20:25] lanmower: ATI/AMD makes pretty good chipsets these days [20:25] I know, I own one [20:26] i've only had ATI graphics cards... [20:26] but I dont like the software that has to squat on top of it. [20:26] ATI still makes pretty shit chipsets, IMO [20:26] lanmower: yeah, they were the same socket types. it was just horribly underclocked [20:26] except on my Apple IIe... [20:26] and the Tandy [20:26] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:26] raela: I think a bios upgrade could do the trick, if you're feeling lucky and have a ups. [20:26] my desktop had an nvidia, old laptop had intel, this one has ati.. intel laptop wins for graphics support ease in linux [20:26] its not like in the old days where AMD made good CPUs, but all chipsets available (Via/nVidia crap) were pretty crappy [20:27] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:27] raela: which ATI chip is that? [20:27] I dont know, I always prefered the nvidia chipsets, they had this accelerated feel. [20:27] underclocking is good. overclocking is just silly [20:27] lanmower: I believe finding anything about the mobo was quite hard.. website was full of chinese 404 sites. I don't need to revive it at all. my laptops are fast enough and the case is making a very nice saddle rack in my closet [20:28] macavity: radeon hd 3100 [20:28] im on a 3200 raela [20:28] raela: yeah just stick with it :) [20:28] lanmower: It's the racing stripes. [20:28] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [20:28] I don't think I ever got direct rendering going in the desktop.. something about the nvidia card just didn't mesh well with the drivers. every few months I'd try the latest drivers and nothing. the nv drivers also gave the same issues [20:28] I was very impressed with the array of ports my little ati mobo gave me. [20:28] tuxdev (~tim@adsl-75-15-117-9.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] tuxdev (~tim@adsl-75-15-117-9.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Changing host [20:29] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:29] great card. i couldn't get 3d working on slackware, even with mesa and kernel updated, but the binary drivers fixed it [20:29] Cann0n: I just got 3d in august when I upgraded to slack 13 and latest ati drivers [20:30] lucky [20:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:30] a budget board with vga/dvi/hdmi/esata/giglan/8usb/6 independant audio ports/5 satas/4 ram slots/6 independant front side usbs and firewire to boot! [20:30] i'd rather use open source drivers, but the binary catalyst 10.2 worked like a champ [20:30] it is why I am not quite as angry at this laptop now. it has been behaving itself very well for the past few months [20:30] that means I can have 6 screens lol [20:30] 3 on my 240gt and 3 on my 3200 [20:31] this laptop has build in sd (which works) 2 usb ports, eth, and vga output... thats it [20:31] i wish it had parallel port... [20:31] raela: r600 family should be pretty well up to speed in the next Mesa [20:31] I will say.. I much prefer laptops. portable, and I don't feel the need to order pieces and assemble. it was a pain in the ass to build the lab computer for a newb like me [20:32] Cann0n: if its a fuji machine you're lucky to have that much :) [20:32] macavity: it works great now. no complaints with it [20:32] i cant wait for them to get video decoding/transcoding to work [20:33] i use parallel more than vga... but laptops come with vga only because lcd's break [20:33] my only problem with this laptop now.. toshiba gave it a volume scroll - great! they did not give it a min or max setting.. wtf?? I like to be able to stick the volume at its lowest setting without hearing it. also, linux did not autoconfigure it (had to do fluxbox keys for it) and it doesn't always detect when I move the wheel [20:33] not only, but you know [20:34] pair0doc (~user@68-188-252-182.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] I cant wait to see some real fast serial busses come out, I envision when I retire pc's will just be a keyring of ports... plug a few cpu's in, some rams, a storage device maybe, 2 or 3 graphics chips and a media bay... [20:34] raela: never configed one of those, but i've set xf86Audio keys on every laptop i've had [20:35] mainly because i don't use fancy DE's [20:35] Cann0n: the other laptop's volume wheel is magically set up.. I can adjust volume without the gui at all. this laptop is just a pain in the ass [20:35] aumix is a nice GUI less mixer [20:35] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [20:36] frankly if my 300mhz cellphone had faster ram and a projector/keyboard hooked up to it I wouldnt need a pc... [20:36] but I don't think it works with mouse drag [20:36] haha indeed [20:36] i use xfce's volume plugin [20:36] lanmower, has HDMI plug your cellphone? [20:36] does google talk and chrome run on linux too? [20:36] I have the volume wheel mapped to amixer in .fluxbox/keys.. doesn't help if I don't load up flux, though. also, I don't think it actually adjusts the volume unless I have a song loaded in playmp3list :/ [20:37] eldragon I can only wish :) [20:37] there's a chrome slackbuild [20:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:37] lanmower: chromium is available for linux [20:37] lanmower: googletalk does not, but pidgin will run it [20:37] thats a shame, I kind of like the direction google is going with its minimalistic set of apps. [20:38] google talk is very bandwidth friendly for what its worth [20:38] "minimalistic set of apps"? [20:38] man, I feel like freenode is wanting to dump me.. keep catching lag spikes [20:38] how many connectors should have your cellphone for covering almost features? [20:38] lanmower: You can theoretically get google talk going, I just haven't built the toolchain yet. [20:38] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-213-223.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] eldragon: 1 real usb port :) [20:38] how do i change the default alsa levels? [20:38] Cann0n: alsactl store? [20:38] Cann0n: alsamixer && alsactl store [20:39] hmm [20:39] jkwood: that sounds nice, any program that can do what gtalk does in 1.3mb is worth my time and effort :) [20:39] ugh, i hate how KDE likes to hijack the volume levels on startup [20:39] i tried that [20:39] those connectors should be replaced to universal plug, e.g. e-SATA-III-ethernet or USB 3.0 for everythings (monitor, internal-external hard disks, networks plugins, etc.) [20:39] is there a file it stores the levels at? [20:39] i think i borked my perms [20:39] http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html [20:39] trhodes: configure kmix to not touch the values [20:39] macavity: oh cool, thanks [20:39] trhodes: its just a single checkmark in its very simple settings box [20:39] nvm [20:40] hey macavity :) [20:40] no more fireware, no more HDMI, no more VGA, ... [20:40] BP{k}: o/ [20:40] eldragon: I think its quite possible to use usb3 for slower cpu's and ram modules. now thats a novel idea. [20:40] not possible, but feasible [20:40] there's no space for every specific connectors to a mobile phone. [20:40] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:40] eldragon: vga is on its way out. and not to mention it's an analog signal, unlike hdmi, dvi-d, displayport, etc [20:41] eldragon: 1 usb port would suffice. [20:41] with a hub you could have 8 [20:41] mini-connector of USB-3.0 should cover these needs. [20:41] lanmower: USB3 doesnt do DMA either... it is to all intends and purposes the bus we accept because it is well supported, and doesnt give the device at the other end direct access to the host adress space (unlike firewire et al), but other than that USB really sucks [20:42] the problem is that the quality of USB3 is worser than e-SATA-3.0 [20:42] worst buffers, worst latencies, etc. [20:42] raela: Interesting, they've caught up since I last looked at that. [20:42] sure, but how fast does a phones bus have to be [20:42] eldragon: yes, and much worse CPU hogging [20:42] and it's still a shared bus [20:42] if its fast enough to drag a window thats fine with me :) [20:42] Is the default kernel set up to respond like a server, desktop, or something in between, and if for a server, how can I configure it to be like a desktop? [20:43] I have a 19.2 Gflops machine but it is slow sometimess [20:43] 8-port hub: thats a printer, a graphics card, a sound card, a scanner, keyboard and mouse, a external hdd, a flash drive and a lan card. And I'm pretty sure even usb-2 can cover the speed a phone would have to access those devices at. [20:43] dchmelik: it is set up to give each app a long slice of runtime (typical server behaviour)... you need to recompile if you want a low latency desktop [20:44] well, whenever I have compiled a custom kernel for other reasons, people here say things like 'I am not even going to help because you have a custom kernel.' [20:44] lanmower: sorry.. but a graphics card at the end of a USB3 is pretty lame idea [20:44] lanmower: shared bus. you wouldn't drive video with that [20:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-49-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:45] macavity: I've had quite good results with usb2 video cards, its faster than a terminal at least. [20:45] good enough for internet, too slow for fullscreen video. [20:45] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-213-223.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:45] the 'terminal' you're talking about must have been frame buffer [20:45] macavity: question, does that reduce your throughput processing wise? [20:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:45] ananke: I mean like vnc basically, without gigabit lan or anything. [20:46] dchmelik: i use Pat's setup, but change latency, CPU type and built in video drivers (for KMS) [20:46] think of it this way: you need dual link dvi to drive higher resolutions. guess what the single link dvi has - 3.9Gbps [20:46] dchmelik: other than that i leave it as is, and still compile every module, so i can look stuff up when people ask [20:46] how would I go about using Pat's setup? load its configuration? [20:46] dchmelik: exactly [20:46] single link dvi can drive 1920x1080 at 120hz btw. [20:46] dchmelik: /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.32.2-smp [20:46] I have not built a kernel in months [20:47] dchmelik: or the generic variane if you like [20:47] *variant [20:47] I thought one has more drivers [20:48] the huge one probably... and I may have had trouble with 'generic' years ago not having enough drivers [20:48] lanmower: it totally hogs your CPU for 3D stuff, since textures are mmap()'ed to vram, and since USB *does not do DMA* you will have to push every single byte via CPU load/store instructions [20:48] lanmower: interesting, considering wikipedia's entry for single link shows 1920x1200 at 60Hz [20:49] ananke: sorry, I believe I'm mistaken then. [20:49] dchmelik: probably the -generic-smp one will fit you best.. just add support for your / fs, change CPU type to match yours, and alter the latency settings (and leave every thing else alone) [20:50] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] given that I would never expect my prototype phone pc to give me more than 15hz at 1024x768 and even then it would only update parts of the screen at any given time. [20:50] once when I did not use the largest kernel, I had no network support [20:51] i compile my own [20:51] imho, USB should only be used for keyboard, mice, cardreaders, and other lame crap.. now where we have e-sata there is not point in using USB for real external storrage [20:51] we could just standarize on the ipod interface :) [20:51] I'm talking about the convenience of turning a handheld device into something that actually resembles a real pc, and all they have to do is give us one port. [20:51] i think that for each e-SATA-III bus maybe used for either TFT output or HD I/O transfer or net I/O transfer. [20:51] i wish apple would stop encrypting their hardware [20:51] I could totally browse and bash on a shared usb screen card. [20:51] err, /e-SATA-III bus/e-SATA-III connector/ [20:52] raelakoira (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:52] I bet you even usb1 would suffice, it would be like vnc over a clean 10base :) [20:52] and sharing it with a sound card lol [20:53] lanmower: sure.. *you* could.. but the rest of us actually like the post 2000 era where the internet has streamable HD movies and 3D games ;-) [20:54] Action: jkwood streams a 3d game based off an HD movie [20:55] I just think that however fancy phones get, they still cant run kde over a display thats more than 14 inches wide, thats all I need for most of what I do. We used to use pc's slower than most modern phones for the same purpuse. Now if a phone had a real bus, some geeks would probably leverage that for that very purpose. I can hardly think of a reason why it shouldnt be done. [20:55] give it another 10 years [20:57] its just sad that its quite possible already, just nobodies gonna make a phone with a real usb port for some stupid reason :) I suppose 5v is a problem but there are simple solutions to that, and I can live with a short battery life in exchange for something that cool. [20:57] Not to mention that most hubs are powerable. [20:58] Action: trhodes agrees with macavity about USB, but is sure glad he can use an old crappy machine with a large HD [20:58] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [20:58] I actually have some experience with hd video... [21:00] trhodes: i just O_o every time i see what it does to a Core2 Duo 2.16GHz when i try to copy a heavily fragmented file (say, HD torrent video) of it.. and see how the I/O drops to 15MB/s [21:00] been in charge of producing a doccie and a cultural event with full hd cameras, but its a bloody mission to work with video that large. [21:00] haah yeah [21:01] mpeg2 ts at hd needs between 25 and 60mbps just to play, cant remember if its bits or bytes, but we had to upgrade the editing boxes hdds [21:01] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-211-1.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] For a few months when I open a non-root terminal in KDE, it does not load the settings in /etc/profile, though that file says it is for _every_ instance of a shell on the system. What is going wrong? [21:01] lanmower: 'dossier' :) [21:01] andnke: 'sufferage' :) [21:01] well, the old 64 MB '90's laptop is making use of an extra 'net connection for rsyncs and large downloads, and having an external USB+sata enclosure is nice for such a setting [21:02] Inconis (~To@220.176.54.180) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] lanmower: 'suffrage' if anything [21:02] trhodes: HA!, imagine your phone had that advantage :) [21:02] lol [21:02] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:02] HD: we put the 'rage' in suffrage [21:02] yes, i agree, usb gizmos on phones would be fun [21:03] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:03] yeah man, but I'm just saying that cause keypads give me thumb cramps actually. [21:03] eeepc is about as small as I like to go [21:03] (w/r/t keyboard size) [21:04] I kind of like the eeepc, I converted it to a slackbox for a friend. [21:04] it ran 12 like a charm [21:04] dont know about 13, kde4 may be a bit heavy. [21:04] yes, just scavenge a few ubuntu netbook remix acpi settings and you're set [21:05] hahah, yeah it took a bit of googling to get it to play nice. [21:05] If it's 3d accelerated, 4 is lighter on resource than 3.5. [21:05] eww, kde4 + eeepc would be sad [21:05] true [21:05] *resources [21:05] jkwood: wow, didnt know that. [21:05] gotta compete with aero :) [21:05] the startup times threw me off. [21:06] how many people her is actually using kde4? [21:06] s/her/here [21:06] i do off and on [21:06] it has some features that i haven't bothered replacing in other DE's [21:06] 4.3 - but been using it regularly since 13.0 [21:07] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:07] I loved playing with it when the betas came out, ultimately I never used it much since i've only loaded slackware 13 for a friend. [21:08] never had the time to use it much myself [21:08] I've been using it since 4.1. [21:08] klipper is one KDE feature that's hard to leave behind [21:08] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:08] it works weirdly in xfce [21:08] I stopped getting excited about the gui scene when I failed to replace my slack bootup with a porn video clip. [21:09] haha [21:09] I've loaded it on machines that shouldn't have been running anything more than XFCE, and it works slick. [21:09] my apps almost all live in screen [21:10] mplayer -ao caca :) (j/k) [21:10] like I added shell aliases at the top of /etc/profile, and they are not working for my non-root shells [21:10] whoops -vo [21:10] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [21:11] I recently moved to the coast, is 60'C on the cpu ok or should I work at getting more fans in there... [21:11] it scares me, used to run 32 :/ [21:12] sounds high to me [21:12] yeah it seems a bit uncomfortable... [21:12] (watch -d -n 1 cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/[st]*) [21:13] dchmelik1 (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] mine's 34, socket-type [21:13] I actually have 2 case fans, but my budget mobo (however many ports it has) only gave me 1 fan power, never bothered connecting number 2 manually. [21:14] I think I have a pet project for tomorrow morning :) [21:14] something tells me I'm gonna open my case and find it full of hairballs... [21:15] trhodes: whats it like outside? [21:15] do you live in a hot area? [21:15] dchmelik1 (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:15] err, not hot :) [21:15] in summer yes, and I forget what it got up to [21:15] i have controllers fail in the summer [21:15] I think it gets about 38 in the afternoon now... [21:15] also a budget mobo [21:16] so I dont know if 60 is an acceptable margin as a high, because at night it does drop lower... [21:16] in fact, its colder right now than what the weather forecast says the day will be tomorrow lol... [21:17] well the RT here is currently 68 [21:17] haha [21:17] 68 deg F :) [21:17] 'F? [21:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:17] thats like body-temp roughly isnt it? [21:17] body temp is 37 C [21:17] yeah [21:17] Action: lanmower has no idea how fahrenheit works :) [21:18] fahrenheit's easy for instrument makers, that's about all [21:18] yup [21:18] (C - 17) * 1.8 == F [21:18] i think... [21:18] same how imperial is easy for carpenters :) [21:18] uhmm, body temp is around 98, not 68 :) [21:18] oh yeah, i shoulda mentioned that :P [21:18] ok, that gives me a better idea [21:19] so F / 1.8 + 17 should be c right? lol [21:19] i just use google for conversions :P [21:19] google can convert it for you [21:19] it even does dimensional analysis [21:20] ananke: good point [21:20] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.83.166) joined ##slackware. [21:20] or krunner :) [21:20] Action: lanmower shuts up [21:21] (way, OT, sorry) is there anything that almost replaces google for those kinds of calculations? i've heard of frink (closed source) and wcalc [21:22] yes. a calculator. tons of them available :) or 'units' [21:22] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:22] a brain [21:22] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Action: lanmower needs one [21:23] wcalc looks abandoned, frink is little help with dimensional analyis, and all the other apps for calculations (python, octave) don't do conversions (readily) [21:23] hmm yeah [21:23] *analysis [21:23] brains are overrated, too proprietry. [21:23] krunner has some stuff built in [21:23] thrice`: thanks, i'll look at it [21:23] if all you need is unit conversion, units is simple enough [21:23] brain is closed source. probably full of bugs [21:24] zcalc, bc [21:24] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. 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[21:34] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-246-29.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:34] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:34] You'll have that. [21:36] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:37] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:39] I think the people who do get good at things like php, were good at it before they studied... [21:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:47] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:50] BOOGIE [21:50] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [21:51] jeev: are you done with the innodb migration? [21:53] Action: nachox cuts thumbs with a paper and runs giggling [21:54] nachox: :( [21:54] <|slackin|> common, we got a game going, come check it out, new SMALLER layout for TS in ut4_imperial_a8 [21:54] |slackin|: what? [21:54] |slackin|: we asked you to drop those /amsg [21:55] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Inconis (~To@220.176.54.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:56] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::553d) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] thumbs, took freakin forever [21:57] but there was an IMMEDIATE slowdown [21:57] jeev: huh? [21:57] innodb_buffer_pool_size=1024M [21:57] thread_concurrency=2 [21:57] |slackin|: /amsg is not a good thing to use [21:57] i added those and it's good now for now [21:58] jeev: https://launchpad.net/mysql-tuning-primer [21:58] and can be considered 'rude' across multiple channels [21:58] i tried 2048M but there wasn't enough ram [21:58] jeev: http://blog.mysqltuner.com/ [21:58] will look at it when i get home [21:58] but i'm in th emarket to find her a new host. [21:58] i dont like this 4 gig with 32bit [21:58] the CPU is an i3 xeon, sucky [21:59] jeev: the problem with myisam is that an UPDATE / DELETE will lock the table. Every other client will need to wait for it to finish [21:59] yea i know but [21:59] jeev: but? [21:59] i just wish i knew the cause of the issues lately [21:59] do you think it was that ? [21:59] so if it was a lot of client connections with update / delete [22:00] it would jus tlock up? [22:00] jeev: lock up how? It would make most clients wait longer to execute their queries, which translates into 'lag' from their point of view. [22:00] jeev: deadlocks are another matter. [22:01] jeev: we'd need to see the SHOW INNODB STATUS output at the time. [22:02] Dominian: I don't think |slackin| is listening. [22:04] jeev: I will say that table with a high concurrency of clients will perform much better with innodb, under load. [22:06] Action: lanmower yawns [22:06] 5:00am [22:06] bbl [22:06] lanmower (~JamesVos@41.11.186.219) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [22:07] anyone have the md5sum file for Slackware 8.1? [22:08] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/CHECKSUMS.md5 [22:08] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1-iso/ [22:08] dchmelik: the mirror does [22:09] Kamel (klo_875@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:10] thumbs, it was stuck with 280 connections for 8 hours. [22:10] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:10] straterratops, i dont have cod4 anymore to own you like last time [22:10] I dont have a working gaming rig [22:11] i see [22:12] i'v been playing too much anno 1404 to play cod mw2 [22:12] Action: thrice` just bought mw2 [22:12] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] I just got done with a pug in CS:S [22:12] Worse server ever..no reg at all [22:12] speaking of games, ps3 is having troubles currently, seems like something to do with leap year [22:13] consoles are wack [22:13] tank-man, mine wouldn't login tonight, actually [22:13] Inconis (~To@218.65.47.91) joined ##slackware. [22:14] im scared to turn mine on. [22:15] thrice` has a ps3? jeebus [22:15] what's the world come to [22:16] He's been becoming much more manly since he sold his Macbook. [22:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:16] tank-man, hm, interesting - hadn't heard anything about it until then. maybe I got lucky :) [22:17] jkwood, shh [22:17] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:17] Don't worry, Apple doesn't monitor this channel. [22:17] paissad (~paissad@pal34-1-88-182-18-149.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:18] lol [22:18] I wish Apple sotpped encrypting their ipods [22:18] stopped* [22:18] straterra: which mirror? all that I have seen the iso in do not have the md5sum [22:18] dchmelik, you were given 2 already [22:19] oh, I was gone for a minute [22:19] thanks [22:21] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [22:27] were you on the can or something [22:29] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.83.166) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:30] bobJR (~bob@unaffiliated/bobjr) joined ##slackware. [22:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. 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[22:46] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.128.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:51] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left ##slackware. [22:51] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [22:52] thrice`: I bought it too. [22:52] thrice`: perhaps we could play, sometimes. [22:55] rworkman, pling [22:55] plonki [22:56] /msg? [22:57] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:00] sure [23:02] rworkman if he says i asked him to give me a "stranger" he's lying. [23:03] lets turn this into an off topic hour and talk about health care in the US [23:03] That didn't parse, but sure. [23:03] let's not [23:03] there's ##slackware-offtopic [23:03] :< [23:03] 8-) [23:03] nevor. [23:06] belak (~belak@68-188-162-101.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:08] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:08] What are the advantages to slackware? [23:09] For me, as a beginner, I learned about *Linux, instead of learning about a distro [23:09] belak: as comparing to what exactly? [23:09] It shreds trolls. Be careful. [23:09] gentoo, I suppose [23:10] slackware has an installer [23:10] What is slack optimized for? [23:10] Usage. [23:10] for your brain [23:11] it optimizes your brain [23:11] Oh, funny. Which arch? [23:12] belak: which arch is gentoo optimized for? [23:12] ananke: whatever you compile it for [23:12] For me, pentium-m [23:13] The 32-bit version is optimized for 486, the 64-bit version is optimized for x86_64, and the ARM version is... well, you get it. [23:13] Ok [23:13] Wasn't sure if it was i486, or i686 like archlinux [23:14] So, there is no dependency handeling? [23:14] There is. It's called your brian. [23:14] yea seriously [23:14] not even has a brian [23:14] 'brian handeles' [23:14] There's this guy called brian who keeps track of these things for us. [23:14] Slackware's package manager is a *package* manager, not a dependency manager. [23:15] some of us have steve, wilma.. [23:15] brian from family guy ? [23:15] Haha [23:15] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Ok [23:15] belak, once you go slack.. you dont go back [23:15] +1 [23:15] agree [23:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:15] idk, there's someone in #ubuntu+1 trying to switch [23:15] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [23:15] what's an unbunti [23:16] I'm liking gentoo... maybe I'll dual boot [23:16] oh hold up while i YUM something [23:16] haha [23:16] "plz 2 wait while i rpm" [23:16] right. because no slackware user has ever switched to another distro. talk about being blind [23:16] jeev: #ubuntu+1 is for the alpha releases of ubuntu [23:16] Hm [23:16] crazy [23:16] ananke: I bet that is a LOT more infrequent than users of other distros [23:17] ananke: They're all stuck at the first screen of the installer, and have no idea how to get back on the internet. [23:17] Ok, so... where are the isos? [23:17] I don't see any... [23:17] belak: "get slack" link on slackware.com [23:17] nvm [23:17] duh [23:17] danc3: and your source of data is what? [23:17] ananke: Prestidigitation. [23:17] I was in the slackware-13.0folder... I missed the *-iso folders [23:17] ananke: my personal experience and aquaintences [23:18] Where can I find a tutorial for compiling the kernel for my slack? [23:18] belak: Yeah, it's easy to miss. [23:18] belak: yeah, the structure is a bit different than most distros. isos and other arch are on the same root level [23:18] Inconis (~To@218.65.47.91) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:20] danc3: i wouldn't be using that information to bet on anything. [23:20] Axius: check the slackbook [23:20] ananke: I would [23:21] Thanks [23:21] belak: good luck [23:22] Thanks. I'll try tomorrow. [23:22] ananke: ok, thanks. 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