[00:00] heh, where did the dhcp client daemon in slackware came from ? [00:00] in other distributions is dhcpcd real shit [00:02] most distros do not use dhcpcd anymore [00:02] weird, for me dhcpcd is much better than dhcpclient [00:03] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] the one in slackware [00:03] randall__ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] randall__ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:05] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [00:05] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [00:09] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:11] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] randall_ (n=randall@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:18] arcaos__ (n=chatzill@190.177.129.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:20] wynd (n=pete@71.113.188.95) left irc: "leaving" [00:28] TrickyDick (i=4a4b0514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05f7ccf89f6d303a) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Hi, it's Patrick. I can't type right now because I booted Linux from the USB thumbdrive on my finger. [00:29] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [00:30] what? [00:30] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Troll? [00:31] My sources say: yes [00:31] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] than how do you explain that line ? [00:32] you did type, so you are able to do it :P [00:32] For some reason, people who use mibbit think they are untraceable [00:32] heh [00:33] Likevinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Silly ops: everyone knows that anyone from Maine is a troll. [00:34] Its all good [00:34] One day, the "troll" will piss off the wrong person. [00:34] Maine has only one ISP (the fast running bird), so do what others are doing: ban an entire state. [00:34] or just ban mibbit [00:36] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.108) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:39] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: [00:39] cuba (n=cub@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] ban both!" [00:41] Calculating Year of Slackware on The Mainstream Desktop... segmentation fault [00:42] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:42] Comprede (i=4a4b0514@64.62.228.82) joined ##slackware. [00:43] uva (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] DualTroll(TM) [00:44] well slackadelic is going to get grsecurity it seems [00:44] Dominian, why? [00:45] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [00:45] nachox: long story but OSSEC caught soemthing and notified me of it.. and I was able to thwart an security breach before it happened [00:46] OSSEC? [00:46] host-based intrusion detection system [00:46] http://www.ossec.net/ [00:46] With DualTroll(TM) technology, banhammers are no longer enough. Operators, you've been vanquished. [00:47] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] success at LAST!! AR2414 ath5k ap mode. :-) [00:48] I tried to install Slackware once, but I couldn't get past the blatant grammatical errors in the documentation. [00:49] "It's constructive criticism." [00:49] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] Philadelphia (i=bono@118.160.160.120) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:50] TrickyDick, do you need help installing slackware? we can help you get through your "blatant grammatical errors in the documentation" [00:51] Dominian, i had already googled ossec :) [00:53] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] vatgas1 (n=val@123.145.45.25) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Comprede (i=4a4b0514@64.62.228.82) left irc: Client Quit [00:55] nachox: hehe [00:56] Dominian, so, you were hacked into :P [00:56] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] My mother said my IQ is complex number. [00:56] nachox: no.. so meone tried [00:56] nachox: the put a process hider on.. tried to use it to run a fake process of /usr/sbin/httpd... they failed :) [00:56] never even got a chance to run the binary [00:57] ossec caugth them.. kicked their asses out... athe farthest they made it was putting files in /tmp/.ICE-unix/X1/1/ [00:57] My IQ is 175 distributed to a squareroot of a negative number. :( [00:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.com/x-05f7ccf89f6d303a' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116 [00:57] TrickyDick kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [00:57] nachox: I caught it.. backed the files up.. removed them.. run some checks.. checked logs etc.. found nothing out of the ordinary [00:57] right now... I'm working on grsec [00:58] idiot... [00:58] hehe..saw that coming nachox [00:59] i think i was patient [01:00] Dominian, did you find how they got in in the first place? [01:01] wordpress me thinks [01:01] which I've fixed [01:02] put a wordpress plugin to catch the type of crap they were using [01:02] but like I said.. thats why grsec is going on [01:03] if that had been in place.. I would't have cared [01:04] it is unfortunate that you have to patch the kernel to install grsec... [01:04] Comprede (i=4a4b0514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Comprede (i=4a4b0514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c) left ##slackware. [01:05] nachox: yep [01:05] Comprede (i=4a4b0514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c) joined ##slackware. [01:05] but its better than trying to install SELinux + PAM [01:05] it is [01:05] nachox: warning.. comprede I'm guessing is the same jerk [01:05] Pam is awesome [01:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!i=4a4b0514@*.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116 [01:06] Comprede kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [01:06] Dominian, i know, i was expecting him actually [01:06] lol [01:06] straterra: can we see pictures of her? [01:06] No [01:06] He's going to keep that crap up until you *!*@*mibbit* :( [01:06] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.149.45) joined ##slackware. [01:06] chatzilla zomg [01:08] anyone on slackware-curent in here? [01:08] nevermind.. answered my own question [01:10] nachox: apparently.. I have to update binutils on here to 2.18 [01:10] how? you somehow know what version of slackware everyone is running? :P [01:10] bah [01:10] nachox: packages.slackware.it ftw [01:10] that will be painful [01:10] why will that be painful..? [01:11] its ust a download of slackware-current source and built for my version of gcc etc [01:11] because binutils is such a central slackware package that a mistake will make slackware unusable [01:11] that's.. wha tbuildscripts are for... [01:11] I've updated binutils before with no issues [01:12] oh, i guess i'm way past the times i compiled my own stuff [01:12] hehe [01:12] nachox: trust me.. I like openSUSE and its "zypper" [01:12] but I still trust slackware for my server... [01:13] Dominian, novell released a new SLES and SLED, with selinux and everything [01:13] apparmor [01:13] Dominian, sure, servers dont need pam :) [01:13] suse stuff doesn't use selinux to my knowledge.. its apparmor [01:13] My servers need pam [01:14] dont' get me wrong.. PAM has its uses [01:14] just not on my server [01:14] Dominian, they dont use selinux, they do not even ship a policy [01:14] Action: Dominian had forgotten how long it takes binutils to build [01:14] nachox: apparmor [01:14] Action: Dominian has openSUSE on his lappy :P [01:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:15] Dominian, http://www.novell.com/linux/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLES/11/#Security [01:16] ooo [01:16] Action: Dominian did not know that [01:16] wonder what happened to apparmor [01:16] they still use it [01:16] ohh I see [01:16] as i said, they shipped selinux but didnt ship a policy [01:16] the provie selinux for those who want it.. disable it by default, but do not support it either. [01:16] nod [01:17] apparmor is much better than selinux imho [01:17] there we go.. binutils updated.. grsec enabled kernel building now [01:17] Dominian, i dont know about that, i'd love to see it included in the kernel... at this moment suse is the only one using apparmor [01:18] Dominian, meaning apparmor is doomed because it goes against the way opensource works [01:18] opensource lowers developement costs when people agree to develop a common framework [01:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Dominian, i'm more interested in cgroups though. finally linux is catching up to what solaris had for more than 6 years [01:24] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] heylo. [01:25] Hello [01:25] its so quite in here it echoes.. [01:26] BP{k}: Whatcha drinking tonight? [01:26] nachox: cgroups... [01:26] ? [01:27] reading now [01:27] I'm trying to use different live cds...none of them work. I have slackware installed, but nothing else can find root. [01:27] like gpartedLive for example [01:28] Dominian, the management is nasty (mkdir in /proc/cgroups, echo crap > file and so on), but it's a really useful feature [01:29] Yeah I can tell [01:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:29] way of "partitioning" te system [01:29] both my drives are sata, /dev/sda and /dev/sr0 [01:29] what chipset [01:29] cpu? [01:30] no.. [01:30] what chipset is the mobo [01:30] nvidia... ati... sis... etc etc [01:30] nvidia [01:30] Dominian, http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cgroups.txt [01:30] willbert (n=willbert@cpc2-glen3-0-0-cust508.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:30] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Success [01:31] Dominian: nVidia nForce [01:31] nachox: that's what I was reading [01:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:31] fluxnuk3r: odd.. slackware's installer should pick that up just fine. [01:31] oh :) [01:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:31] Dominian: problem isnt slackware. problem is everything else. I cant use gparted live. I cant boot any live cd [01:32] or knoppix [01:32] er [01:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:32] bad cd drive? [01:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] no. new. and in slackware its fine. [01:32] oh weird [01:32] maybe bad isos/cds? [01:32] knoppix says it cant find the filesystem. [01:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:33] bad isos if ive been burning platters for 2 years, that worked previously [01:33] what type of partitiong/filesystem are you using? [01:33] ext3 [01:33] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] 100gb for / [01:33] 900gb for /home [01:33] (give or take) [01:33] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:34] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Action: Dominian sighs.. I think I just found something.. that isn't good: [01:34] /proc/fs/vmblock [01:34] seems to be mounted. [01:34] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] wish he'd make up his mind. :D [01:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] oh nevermind.. that's part of vmware [01:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Success [01:36] fluxnuk3r: no kidding.. this is why I have a screen session with irssi running 24/7 [01:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] nathanbw: no wonder charter filed for bankruptcy [01:37] im in cli but i forgot to start screen first. [01:37] Action: fluxnuk3r winces [01:37] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:37] and im on a Jornada 680 right now.. [01:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:37] so I dont know how long my battery will last. [01:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:38] cHiOs (n=chio@CPE-65-29-166-235.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:39] fluxnuk3r: running wince or jlime? [01:39] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:39] MLanden: jlime [01:39] sweet [01:39] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] MLanden: you have one too? [01:40] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [01:40] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:40] Had a 720 before it crapped out...last thing I had on it was OpenBSD [01:40] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] nice. [01:41] people dont realize how much you can do on these [01:41] true [01:41] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:41] got mine on ebay for 100ish [01:41] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:43] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:43] cool [01:43] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:44] I only use it in cli, so im beginning to wonder if i should try and put slack on it [01:44] lol [01:44] lol [01:45] dont need the touchscreen. just orinoco and im good [01:45] opie would build for it? [01:46] there is a version of jlime with opie [01:46] s/would/woulddn't [01:46] this has icewm [01:46] if i put a wm on it would be awesomewm [01:47] that would be something alright [01:47] yah [01:47] especially since you could map all these multimedia keys [01:47] right [01:47] firefox would be really slow on here... [01:48] wish there was a good light browser other than dillo [01:49] prolly...would like to try netsurf like on the lightweight distros [01:49] css and javascript? [01:50] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [01:51] http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ [01:51] uh... [01:51] cli without screen remember? [01:51] lol [01:51] i'll look it up later [01:51] right..sorry [01:51] thx though [01:52] np [01:52] well, i better get some sleep. tackle my problem tomoro. [01:52] nite! [01:52] take care [01:52] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] freack (i=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [01:58] getting close to time for a reboot to new kernel [01:58] you could e use dillo in X [01:59] you configured grsec that fast? i remember i spent quite a while reading last time [02:01] Dominian: were speaking about web browsers on a Jornada pda [02:02] hrm [02:02] nachox: acidchild provided me with a pre-configured .config :P [02:02] I just had to get the proper kernel and the patch [02:03] and you trust acidchild ? ;) [02:03] yep :) [02:03] come on, he uses netbsd... i'll ask again [02:06] lol [02:06] he uses a wide-range of things [02:06] ok brb [02:06] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "leaving" [02:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-158.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:24] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] roccity_ (n=quassel@ip-118-90-96-184.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:26] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:27] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:28] ness (n=woot@90.198.74.17) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Linux cyberslack 2.6.27.10-grsec-smp #1 SMP Sat Mar 28 01:55:28 EDT 2009 i686 Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2214 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [02:30] night time.. seeya tomorrow [02:30] cya [02:30] Good Night sleep tight [02:31] nite [02:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@129.171.233.77) joined ##slackware. [02:33] Does anyone here have an HP JetDirect-150X printserver? How do I configure it? [02:35] hplip [02:35] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.116) left irc: "Leaving" [02:43] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [02:44] Is that from the commandline? [02:45] Actually, it's probabbly hp-setup from the command line. [02:45] No GUI, huh? [02:46] No, it has a gui. [02:46] It has a menu entry,too. [02:46] ok, ty! [02:46] hp-toolbox is the gui, I think. [02:46] guys is backtrack4 tricky to install on wmware for a not so good linux_user ! [02:47] ness: sorry this is not a backtrack channel ... [02:47] backtrack 4 isn't even based on slackware. [02:48] oh my mistake [02:48] the others are right? [02:48] based. Which still mean we are under no obligation to help you. [02:48] ;D [02:50] I'm trying to use the hp-setup now. I says it can't find the device. I'm certain I have to set the server address. [02:52] ness (n=woot@90.198.74.17) left ##slackware. [02:52] jkwood: Do you know what the default server address is for the JetDirect? [02:55] SigmundFreud (i=epicly@cpe-74-75-5-20.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] Dove posso trovare Italiano aiuto? [02:56] No earthly idea. [02:56] SigmundFreud (i=epicly@cpe-74-75-5-20.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: K-lined [02:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.com/x-05f7ccf89f6d303a expired. [02:58] damn, people get k-lined for speaking italian? [02:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.com/x-05f7ccf89f6d303a' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:59] My guess is that he joined every channel bigger than N and said the same thing in all of them. [03:00] prolly..translated from italian to english...he said "Where I can find Italian aid?" [03:00] Maine... I wonder. [03:00] dunno [03:01] Nope, not the troll I thought. Ah well. [03:02] here in Virginia,we've got Portuguese fishermen who come into town once in a while [03:06] Nick change: C00re_ -> C00re [03:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!i=4a4b0514@*.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c expired. [03:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!i=4a4b0514@*.com/x-b63e59c4fdc0405c' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:08] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-141-157-214-97.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] currently i setup a slackware gateway/firewall server on my network with 2 ethernet cards for local and wan, mostly when i remote log to my server i access it through wan ip..is there a way that i can access ti through hostname..... [03:22] suid0 (n=suid0@c951bcb3.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [03:22] dns [03:23] How do I get a list of computers connected to my local network? [03:24] portmap? [03:24] Or is that just for the computer you're running? [03:24] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-141-157-214-97.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:26] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:27] Shingoshi, broadcast ping? [03:27] assuming they aren't ignoring ICMP packets [03:28] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "Leaving" [03:30] ty [03:31] Ok. How do I do that. I know ping. I don't know how to broadcast ping. [03:31] I want a command that returns a list of all local computers connected. [03:31] why don't you check it in your router? [03:32] I have. I can't find the tab to search from though. [03:32] weird, well, you can use nmap to scan a network [03:33] take care,folks...good luck in all of life's endeavors..:D [03:34] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-153.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [03:34] ty. I had forgotten the name. [03:34] yw [03:34] Shingoshi, for the record. ping -b [03:35] Oh. But the whole problem is that I don't know the address. [03:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-426148.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-426148.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-426148.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Shingoshi: you need to read about tcp/ip :) [03:37] cool, wikipedia even has a page about it [03:38] I think I may have found it. The address, I mean. [03:38] I did "ping -b 192.168.0.0 [03:38] It returned an address I need to check now. [03:39] Nope. That didn't work. I'll keep looking. [03:39] Shingoshi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_address [03:40] actually, that's too much theory, check the first external link [03:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:48] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-49.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] maybe ping -b 192.168.0.0 -c 2 ; arp -an | grep 192.168. [03:55] Stella_Caeli (i=SC_SCT@78-20-186-101.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [03:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [04:03] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:03] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [04:09] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.41) joined ##slackware. [04:10] In Pidgin which ships with 12.2, is anyone else getting "invalid certificate chain" when trying to connect to MSN? [04:11] I believe that's a known issue. A newer version of Pidgin should fix it. [04:12] Cool. I'm thinking I'll just grab the source and slackbuild from -current. Is this the kind of thing we might expect a regular fix for in patches/? [04:13] nathanbw: i don't think so, usually only security patches get in there [04:13] nathanbw: but grabbing the slackbuilds from 12.2 or -current and the latest sources is the kind of thing must of us do :) [04:13] gbonvehim, cool. [04:14] Yeah, the only way that pidgin will be updated is if there's a security update (in 12.2, anyway.) [04:14] so nathanbw go and find a security bug in pidgin to get it updated :P [04:14] For Pat to do a non-security update to a release, something would have to be utterly broken beyond repair. [04:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@129.171.233.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:15] gbonvehim, haha sounds good. It might take awhile ;-) [04:16] Hmm... you're a lot less shaken by this than the last guy. [04:18] jkwood, yeah, I'm not too bothered. I've grown to like the KISS philosophy of Slackware. [04:21] =) [04:23] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:23] I will say I'm surprised by how long it takes to compile Pidgin. I didn't think it was that big of an application. [04:23] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] nathanbw: it does take a lot, if you've spare computers setup distcc heh [04:26] gbonvehim, I've certainly thought about it. I recently compiled all of the KDE4 trunk, in a virtual machine. Not really looking forward to doing that again, haha. [04:27] haha yeah, that's a patience test [04:27] Oooh, the new Pidgin works beautifully [04:28] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:28] https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct ubuntu is everywhere... [04:29] HAHA "Ubuntero" [04:29] wow. That's is its own brand of awesome [04:29] nathanbw: Gah-ross. [04:29] Action: jkwood will never again try to compile KDE or QT in a vm [04:30] jkwood, It wasn't as bad as I thought. I did it over a 3-day period. What was the most disappointing was the (lack of) performance of KDE4 itself in the VM. It never felt as snappy as the other DE's in a VM. [04:31] But I'm still going to get some more ram on the host and see if that helps. I have a feeling it will. [04:31] Probably. [04:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-49.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:32] It's strange, I discovered 4.2 to be much faster compared to 3.5. [04:32] I guess the KDE devs aren't just blowing smoke when they say that. [04:34] jkwood, Awesome. I'm really glad to hear it. I am very much looking forward to KDE 4 in the next Slackware release. [04:36] The only reason I haven't switched yet is the apparent overhead required to either maintain KDE 4 packages for 12.2 myself, or switch to -current. Right now, this box is my main workhorse for school and play, and I don't want to get into trouble [04:36] One of the stated goals of the KDE devs is that they want each release to be faster than the previous one. [04:36] Oh, I understand. I'm naturally a tinkerer, so I'm just as likely to break a stable release as I am -current. ;) [04:37] Haha nice. [04:41] I struggle to balance my tinkering side and my "don't break the system when you need it" side. I get myself into a fair share of trouble anyway. Like when I upgraded from 12.0 to 12.1 and broke a few things. I had an unbootable box and just by luck happened to have a live CD with me to fix it. [04:41] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:41] I know that some of the .new files caught a lot of people on 12.1 to 12.2. [04:42] jkwood, yes. I still think I have a few .new's lingering around here somewhere haha [04:43] find /etc -name '*.new' will help with that. [04:43] Ah good, just two (unimportant) ones [04:43] Oh, and vimdiff. [04:43] Yes, vimdiff is the bomb dot com [04:43] gvimdiff is also very nice. [04:44] If I have a lot of files to dig through, I'm a big fan of kompare in 4.2.1. [04:45] Cool, I hadn't heard of kompare before. One more tempation to switch today haha [04:46] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-219.net-89-3-210.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Dadsy (n=Dad`@ip-219.net-89-3-210.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Dadsy (n=Dad`@ip-219.net-89-3-210.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] gnutz (n=nick@c-75-71-58-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [05:04] freack (i=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [05:04] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[06:05] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [06:07] wenos dias [06:07] soz [06:07] good morning [06:09] comp__ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:09] buenos dias * [06:10] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:19] rtypo (n=rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [06:19] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn94.78-99-194.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:19] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn93.91-127-91.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:19] DeeeeP, morning ;) [06:19] just installed a "slackware-current" version [06:20] w000, almos 98% of the laptop work out of the box [06:20] and with kde4 [06:26] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn93.91-127-91.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [06:26] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn25.91-127-9.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:27] get , nice ... whats your laptop ? [06:29] aspire 9300 [06:30] Acer [06:30] yep [06:30] amd turion x2 - nvidia - atheros wifi [06:30] ive also tested on a intel core2duo and a 9xxx nvidia [06:31] barhgg ... it runs lovely [06:31] get: Anything particular out of that 2 percent that you'd like to get working? [06:31] nvidia propietary drivers [06:31] the rest is still ok [06:31] u can use nv driver and get 100% :) [06:31] berk [06:31] yep! [06:31] now i have [06:32] and init4 [06:32] nv is just too slow [06:32] i know, just joking [06:32] ;) [06:32] xDDD [06:32] I've been traumatized by nv [06:32] me too [06:32] why ? [06:32] just too slow :p [06:32] i toght that kde4 is broken install [06:32] nv driver , ok [06:32] cause i neve see the inside of the kmenu [06:33] only the borders [06:33] xD [06:33] and it doesn't even do secondary display properly [06:33] :D [06:33] get, what's the problem with the nvidia driver ? [06:33] Camarade_Tux, and why not install nvidia proprietary drivers and forget nv ? [06:33] he propietary works charming [06:33] the nv one [06:33] is too slow and never shows the entire components of plasma [06:34] only the borders, of kmenu, and device media [06:34] DeeeeP, I did that, I rather wanted nouveau but afaik they now require xserver >= 1.5 which sla* doesn't provide [06:34] also if i try alt + f2 to fireup a command [06:34] it shows only borders [06:34] of the command run box [06:35] that's a feature : people don't care about content, they only want the borders :p [06:35] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.82.159) joined ##slackware. [06:35] hi [06:35] That would ba a problem. [06:35] yeeee [06:35] thats the clue [06:35] nice borders = nice system [06:35] ahhhh [06:35] Action: jkwood slaps his fingers to get them to behave [06:36] i think i saw nice borders before .... mmmm i guess on a inferior OS calles vista or bista o wtf [06:36] but those one was defn. not a nice sistem [06:36] xD [06:36] xfce \o/ [06:36] openbox and no DE ! :D [06:36] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:37] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.41) left irc: "‚»" [06:37] Theoretically, I can do everything I want to in a framebuffer. [06:37] yep [06:37] fb is till enaught [06:37] init3 [06:37] jkwood, also adobe flash movies ? [06:37] the only point that remains is the browser [06:37] adobe flash movies? [06:37] DeeeeP: Yep. [06:38] Camarade_Tux: lynx [06:38] who cares, i prefer watch really movies not .flv [06:38] DeeeeP: get: mplayer. =) [06:38] jkwood, sure, but what about sites images or js ? [06:38] mplayer plays it on fb ? [06:38] (I can live without them but webmasters can't it seems) [06:39] DeeeeP, yeah :p [06:39] Camarade_Tux: Well, it makes Facebook a pain to use, but for basic web browsing javascript is not required. [06:39] i not that minimalistic [06:39] X is ok [06:39] DeeeeP: It's really quite nice. Give it a try sometime. [06:40] ok [06:40] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.47.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.23.96) joined ##slackware. [06:40] now huge-smp wont boot me with fb enabled [06:40] used to boot with fb [06:40] And no, I'm not talking about aalib (because I know that somebody here will think I am.) [06:40] Ah, that would tend to be a problem. [06:41] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] oh, two reasons to use X instead of console : I can fit more text on one screen under X, and conky (laptop so I need to know how much battery is left) [06:41] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] i configured bootsplash, but when booting,getting a message that "Out of Range" in monitor [06:41] jkwood, I actually thought you were talking about cacalib ;p [06:41] i can see nothing else [06:41] i think u can monitor your battery under init3 [06:42] DeeeeP, yes, of course, but conky just provides a nicer way to [06:42] plus it saves more battery (because of that bloody nvidia.ko) [06:42] ragsagar, check the resolutions you're using [06:42] nvidia.ko is a bat spender ? [06:43] True. I'm not saying it's particularly pleasant, and I'm quite at home in KDE 4. But, I can function relatively comfortably with a broken X. [06:44] Between that on snow on my desktop, I pretty well tend to wow the yokels with my Slackware install. [06:44] DeeeeP, yeah, > 15 minutes for me (before I noticed 40 minutes, I'm wondering whether it doesn't save less on 64bit [slamd64] or if it's just me) [06:45] s/on/and/ [06:46] just found out a good util to measure programs memory [06:46] yesterday [06:46] its pmap [06:46] Camarade_Tux, in grub menu? [06:47] Camarade_Tux, Iam copied the same vmlinuz and initrd to boot my debian and i was able to see bootsplash [06:47] s/Iam/I [06:49] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:49] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.115.148.153) left irc: " ff meten" [06:50] nille_ (i=1000@85.230.98.48) joined ##slackware. [06:51] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:53] damn [06:54] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.115.148.153) joined ##slackware. [06:54] ragsagar, which resolution are you trying to boot the with (and yes, it's probably in grub's menu.lst) [06:54] anyone knows how to update bios, ive downloaded the official bios from acer, and the instructions say doubleclick on and .exe to start flashing [06:54] lol [06:55] flashing on linux is bitchy [06:55] i guess that this didnt work on wine [06:55] ... [06:55] dont think wine would be a good way or doing it [06:55] Camarade_Tux, vga=791 [06:55] damn yesterday i blowed out the hassefroch install [06:56] if wine fails , and it does , i will get your laptop bricked [06:56] yes! [06:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [06:56] thats why im not going to try it anyway [06:56] Camarade_Tux, after doing this my default kernel is not booting, some messages ... end trace etc etc, then Kernel Panic [06:56] get, dont u have the bios.bin file and the ms-dos utility to flash ? [06:57] hold i make a capture [06:57] of the files [06:57] some manufactures provide it [06:57] i get in the bios.zip [06:58] nullboy: thought you'd be interested to know I have the ath5k successfully setup as an AP. :-) [06:58] ragsagar, so you're trying to boot at 1024x768x64k, I don't know is slackware's stock kernel can handle [06:59] 16k [06:59] 791 is 0x317 and the kernel documentation tells me it's 64k colors [06:59] chopp: which patches did you use? [07:00] http://yfrog.com/6rflashp [07:00] Camarade_Tux, how can i change it to 16k? [07:01] i dont what happened! after compiling the custom kernel , my default kernel is not working [07:01] nullboy: no patch. I just edited ath5k/base.c, rebuilt the kernel, and voila. :) [07:01] getting some message when loding scripts in rc.d [07:01] get, looks like PHLASH16.exe [07:02] chopp: can you make a patch? [07:02] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.82.159) left irc: "brb" [07:02] yep but i guess i cant lauch that via wine [07:02] get, get a ms-dos usb pen with that software inside , and run it under ms-dos [07:03] ah yes! [07:03] nullboy: no idea how thats done, but from what I understand, the patch thats allready available does the same thing. [07:03] is there any manual for how to create one? [07:04] google might have :) [07:04] yes, sure, but i asked if anyone had in memory any nice manual ever used [07:05] i did a ms-dos usb bootable pen , with some HP format software [07:05] ragsagar, not sure that's possible but you can try with 256 : 0x305 (773) or 32k (790) [07:06] Camarade_Tux, do you know what that thing, now getting kernel panic , something interupped [07:06] interrupted* [07:06] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] ragsagar, maybe u substitute custom kernel with default kernel ? [07:06] ragsagar, when are you getting that ? [07:06] and check the symbolic links in /boot [07:07] Camarade_Tux, when loading some rc.d scripts, yeah i removed the System.map [07:07] and linked custom-vmlinuz to it [07:07] nullboy: http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xslaby/sklad/ath5k_ap_mode/01-ath5k-ap.patch [07:08] sorry [07:08] custom system.map [07:08] DeeeeP, something wrong with default kernel [07:09] DeeeeP, now i want to revert back the link, to wich system.map file in /boot , System.map is linked to? [07:09] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.228.97) joined ##slackware. [07:09] TheBig (n=TheBig@host35-191-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] System.map -> System.map-huge-smp-2.6.28.8-smp [07:10] rebuilding now [07:10] ragsagar, which rc.d scripts ? have you tried to make your kernel lighter ? [07:11] Camarade_Tux, didnt get you, i didnt mess with ec.d scripts, the only strange thing i did is that ln -s custom-system.map System.map [07:11] brb [07:11] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.23.96) left irc: "Leaving" [07:12] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:12] nullboy: which chipset is your atheros? [07:14] one is a AR2414 and the other is a 53XX something like that [07:14] brb [07:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [07:15] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [07:16] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] hello fine gentlemen, i was wondering if anyone could guide me on getting lilo to boot another os i have [07:16] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-131.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-97.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] bird: what other os? [07:17] gentoo lol [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [07:17] just add it to lilo, use the full paths to image and root [07:18] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.60.155) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Pig_Pen, do you know where the conf file is? [07:19] /etc/lilo.conf [07:19] run lilo when u done config [07:19] http://pastebin.com/d32aa6c85 look at mine bird [07:19] lilo.conf in /etc [07:20] sweet thx both of you [07:20] :) [07:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [07:21] works [07:21] with the AR2414 [07:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-49.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] nullboy: awsome, good to hear! [07:22] the 53xx will be another story [07:22] I've been torturing it now for seven hours, and so far rock solid. [07:22] i'll test it tomorrow [07:23] thanks for the heads up [07:23] your welcome [07:24] if it ends up being stable i can finish my slackAP [07:24] I was bound and determined to get it working. [07:25] my firewall is slack, and now my AP. hail slackware [07:25] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Likevinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:30] Shuren (n=Devilman@host25-171-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] whith 'lspci -vv |less' is it normal for my agp card to not list a 'Kernel modules: xxxxxx'? [07:32] the driver is built as a module [07:32] does modprobe shot it? [07:32] show* [07:32] t0f: try "lspci -vn" [07:33] lsmod | grep agp [07:33] chopp: no, the 'n' doesn't do it either [07:34] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [07:34] lsmod | grep agp [07:34] agpgart 25136 0 [07:35] it's a: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] [07:36] 420 :D [07:36] the kernel doesn't list GeForce4 [07:36] only 2 [07:36] t0f: what motherboard chipset is it? [07:36] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:37] there is an i185 built in [07:37] modprobe intel_agp [07:37] not loded [07:37] loaded* [07:38] should i built the kernel with intel_agp as a mod? [07:38] you're not using a stock kernel? [07:38] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) joined ##slackware. [07:39] no [07:39] 2.6.28.9 [07:40] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:40] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:40] let me look at something t0f [07:40] this is what confuses me. if i insert an agp card, why do i need to load drivers for the mb chipset? [07:41] pardon the error, the mb chipset is i815 [07:42] pardon me for the dumb question, but what does this do? [07:42] sed -i "s|$TMP/$TOPDIR|/usr/bin/|g" $PKG/usr/bin/opera [07:42] Shuren (n=Devilman@host189-175-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:42] in menuconfig > Device Drivers > Graphics Suppoert is /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) built as a module (M) ? [07:43] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE607A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] it changes $TMP/$TOPDIR in $PKG/usr/bin/opera to /usr/bin/ right? [07:44] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] Pig_Pen: yes [07:44] Pig_Pen: yes the nvidia driver but not the intel [07:45] john_dee: yes [07:46] XGizzmo, tnx [07:47] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] does slackware include python-numeric? [07:48] btw, my x seems to work fine on this p3, i'm wondering about this because i'm trying to configure a p4 and i'm having some video issues with a built in i915. so before i accept the p4 as my 'main system', i want it running at top performance [07:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.74.209) left irc: "Leaving" [07:50] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:51] ALVAN (n=riogvb@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [07:54] pi31415 (n=pi31415@98.246.78.78) joined ##slackware. [07:57] i managed to get my i915 to load X 'almost' error free by compiling the kernel without the i915 module. i hate it when i have to clunge [07:59] now instead of getting a 'nobody cared disabling irq xx' error, i just get a system bell (beep) with no apparent error [08:03] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-426148.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [08:03] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA3622.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hi [08:05] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Shuren (n=Devilman@host189-175-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [08:09] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [08:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:10] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [08:12] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) joined ##slackware. [08:14] boh [08:14] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] better i rest with default bios. [08:14] i guess i am comparing apples to oranges, as this 12.1 p3 system doesn't even have a sub-option under 'Intel 440LX/BX/GX, I8xx and E7x05 chipset support' [08:17] that can't be an option. to load 12.1 on my p4 [08:17] did anyone know the reason for a bootissue i have on the aspire 9300 ?, if i take it out of the bag and try to boot with ac or not, it just start lighting leds but the screen didnt start up. [08:18] i can only start it, if i remove the battery and the ac cable, and hold pressed the start button over 30 seconds [08:18] then - it boots normally [08:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-49.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:24] i suppose i'll have to 'modprobe nvidia-agp' manually on this p3 [08:24] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [08:25] look in rc.modules i think there is a /sbin/modprobe agpgart in there somewhere [08:25] and drm too, yikes [08:25] Pig_Pen: looking now [08:26] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [08:26] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [08:27] what is the default uid when creating a non root user? [08:27] kama (n=kama@host79-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:27] vinnie, they start at 1000 with adduser [08:27] kama (n=kama@host79-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:27] how do i check from terminal what my uid is? [08:28] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] id [08:28] ty [08:28] brb [08:29] id -u [08:29] oh.. one more question... how do i delete a user account [08:29] is it removeuser? [08:30] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:31] userdel [08:31] <_RadioHead> tewmten: :) [08:31] <_RadioHead> hello people [08:31] hi _RadioHead [08:32] hola _RadioHead =) [08:32] <_RadioHead> hi lizardius [08:32] <_RadioHead> tewmten: how thigns man ? :) [08:32] im moshed [08:32] vinnie_: or you edit /etc/passwd by yourself.. :-] [08:32] was at big dnb-party yesterday [08:32] wtf [08:32] so, choose userdel(8) [08:32] ty [08:32] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-206388.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:33] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [08:33] I think useradd/adduser and the related commands should be banned [08:33] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [08:33] doing it manually is ridiculously simple and often quicker [08:33] zordrak: you mean with vi? [08:34] easier with vim.. but yes [08:34] linux is more than slackware and vim doesn't work with pam? [08:34] pfff, ed would be better -_- [08:35] well, ya, i prefer the edit-yourself method, too ;) [08:35] <_RadioHead> userdel is very easy :) [08:35] pam can suck my hairy nuts [08:35] ui-interaction sucks :P [08:35] <_RadioHead> lizardius: or gui :) [08:35] bah! [08:35] :P [08:35] pam is better than synchronizing password files across thousands of machines [08:36] nss_ldap [08:36] well...yeah....i'd probably like gui everywhere for every tiny bit of my system's administration if my box was fast enough :P [08:36] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: you don`t like pam :) [08:36] no, actually, that was just a joke. [08:36] _RadioHead: nss_ldap != pam [08:36] <_RadioHead> lizardius: gui is necesary this days [08:36] _RadioHead: Fail! [08:36] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: :) dont mind me me and pam far away [08:37] _RadioHead: not in my world :D [08:37] I think i'll wait till the real people come back... tata [08:38] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: :) real [08:38] _RadioHead: gui is very useful in some domains...but not "neccessary these days" [08:39] heh, zordrak thinks we are not real people [08:39] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: [08:40] Zordrak: were all bots [08:40] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [08:40] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn25.91-127-9.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:40] <_RadioHead> lizardius: true , depend why and what u use BUT again gui now is neccessary for most ppl for work... [08:40] <_RadioHead> pi31415: we are normal ppl :) [08:41] by real people i mean people with a sense of intelligence (i dont mean everyone.. but the majority of those awake right now) [08:41] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: well also sense of intelligence is relative :) [08:41] "There is a strong caveat (which Francesco G. reminded me of): the userPassword attribute *must* be encoded with the {CRYPT} method in order to allow the NSS libraries to authenticate against them. There are security implications of using {CRYPT} that you should read about" [08:42] pi31415: if it matters to you.. then NIS instead [08:42] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: Connection timed out [08:42] There are hundreds of ways to deal with a big site that dont require pam [08:42] it sucks [08:43] it's insecure [08:43] and it's hatefully complex [08:43] zordrak: it gets security fixes just as the linux kernel does [08:43] smica_ (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: Client Quit [08:43] It's not in slackware and it's not in here [08:43] so does windows [08:44] _RadioHead: it depends on what you are used too. i must admit that i have problems working with WYSIWYG stuff. it's frustrating and slow to work with, marking, clicking buttons, undoing the font size... [08:44] it has been a long time since i looked into it, but i haven't found many network auth schemes that function when the network is down [08:44] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [08:45] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:45] because otherwise you just pull the network cable and bypass changes to restrictions [08:45] that could be one reason to go with /etc/passwd.. it removes a point of failure, the router between you and the auth server [08:46] pi31415: Give up. Go learn to be a *good* sysadmin.. then come back. I am now going cause i can take it no more and i want to watch the F1 qualiffing [08:46] Bye [08:47] Isn't that a self contradiction, to give up AND learn to be a good sysadmin? [08:47] rtypo (n=rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:48] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:51] vatgas2 (n=val@124.162.15.230) joined ##slackware. [08:52] <_RadioHead> lizardius: may i ask where r u from? [08:52] gnubien (n=e@97.100.252.63) joined ##slackware. [08:52] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.47.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] why? is that so important to you? [08:52] or are you scared of my bad english? [08:52] :P [08:53] <_RadioHead> lizardius: :) nope my is also bad :P [08:53] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [08:53] <_RadioHead> i only saw florian on Real Name :) thats reason [08:53] ah ok, well i'm from germany [08:54] Nick change: vatgas2 -> vatgas11 [08:54] Nick change: vatgas11 -> vatga1 [08:55] Nick change: vatga1 -> vasadkdw [08:55] Nick change: vasadkdw -> vatgas2 [08:57] morning slackheads [08:59] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [09:01] vatgas1 (n=val@123.145.45.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:02] slack_ (n=slack@82.114.75.248) joined ##slackware. [09:02] slack_ (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] <_RadioHead> yo yo dtanner [09:03] <_RadioHead> hi dtanner [09:04] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [09:06] http://forums.devshed.com/ldap-programming-76/can-ldap-fully-replace-etc-passwd-215291.html [09:06] It would seem that there was something to using /etc/passwd for reliability in spite of network outages [09:10] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] hi i'm using slack12.2 and i have a samsung ml1710 that is linux friendly. i want to connect to it with cups, but when i try to i don't know which choice to select in 'device section' [09:13] i only use a parallel printer that uses /dev/lp0 [09:14] i found a couple of boxes of tractor feed paper labeled FREE, so I recently attached a line printer [09:14] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] actually i just tried the kde printer tool and it seems to have found it [09:15] thanks anyhow [09:15] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [09:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) joined ##slackware. [09:20] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.60.155) left irc: "Quit" [09:25] ohh...noobfarm has 1337 quotes [09:27] cuba (n=cub@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [09:28] more than that ;) [09:28] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.228.97) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:28] nope, still 1337 [09:29] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-132-30.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [09:30] must be because some have not been validated but were numbered nonetheless (#1474 for instance) [09:30] yea [09:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) joined ##slackware. [09:31] I tried to get #1337 but got #1334 or something similar [09:31] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [09:34] fail [09:38] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [09:41] "Hes getting a tattoo, hes getting ink done, he wanted a thirteen but they drew a thirtyone" -The Offspring [09:48] he's trying too hard... [09:48] http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200903/errord/safeguard.png [09:49] lol, my cpu usage was nearing 100% at 1.66GHz because of firefox and gtk-gnash, which I'd forgotten to disable [09:49] after a nice 'killall gtk-gnash', it dropped to 14% at 1GHz... [09:53] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [09:58] boojit (n=boojit@216.160.8.126) joined ##slackware. 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[10:48] i changed some symlinks in /boot while compiling kernel with boot splash patch [10:48] now when booting , at the time of loading scripts in rc.d , lot of output is coming [10:49] and kernel panic appears [10:50] i can see some symlinks failed or something [10:50] smp etc etc in outputs [10:50] oh, the etc etc errors [10:52] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] thrice`, i cant really see them, as it passes very fastly [10:53] i can see " call end trace" something at last [10:53] ? [10:53] and kernel panic error [10:53] neither can I, since it's not my computer [10:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn25.91-127-9.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) left irc: "leaving" [10:54] what i did is , i rm ed the default System.map and symlinked to the system.map of custom kernel [10:54] after that i cant boot into my system [10:54] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-71-139-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] but i can boot in single user mode [10:54] you better get the default System.map back [10:54] why woudl you delete System.map ? [10:54] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) joined ##slackware. [10:54] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] don't worry.you can do it well [10:55] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) joined ##slackware. [10:55] thrice`, i saw that step Slackware wiki [10:55] I knew bootsplash had a kernel patch but had been too lazy to check [10:55] bootsplash hasn't been updated in a looong time [10:56] Camarade_Tux, yeah , i download it from jagualinux's repo [10:56] and it is working with Debian [10:56] splashy -> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/slackware [10:56] but some "Out of Range " Problem with slackware [10:57] which kernel does your slackware have and which one does your debian have ? (version) [10:58] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE607A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:58] http://imagebin.org/43444 [10:58] Camarade_Tux, i used the same custom kernel i compiled from slackware to boot into debian [10:58] Camarade_Tux, slackware has 2.6.27.7 [10:58] and Debian -> 2.6.26 [10:59] .27 is far too recent for bootsplash, the latest bootsplash patches were meant for <2.6.20 ! [10:59] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] anything could go wrong because of that, that's why I think you'd better try splashy [10:59] Camarade_Tux, no i tried it and succeded in debian [10:59] what sort of a mad scientist are you ragsagar? trying to make some sort of frankenstein monster! [10:59] Camarade_Tux, but splashy is buggy [11:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Pig_Pen, m4d h4ck3r :p [11:00] wheres my pitchfork [11:01] have you tried a custom kernel with the same config but without the bootsplash patches ? [11:01] i think the script that causing problem is rc.inet6 or something [11:01] rc.6 is the poweroff/reboot thing [11:01] Camarade_Tux, nope, i dont want to compile again, but i tried the same kernel in debian [11:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:03] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] ragsagar, right now there are two possibilities : your kernel .config won't let you boot slackware OR bootsplash patches won't let you boot slackware [11:03] (actually the combination of the two could be the problem but let's hope it isn't) [11:03] we need to check [11:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:03] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.11.201) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Action: Camarade_Tux dies [11:05] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [11:06] no really : let's take two-years old patches and try applying them to .27 ! bootsplash patches were last updated for .16 iirc [11:06] their page even features patches for 2.4* kernels >< [11:07] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:07] hmm.. bootsplash [11:09] slack_freefish (n=slack_fr@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [11:14] TheBig (n=TheBig@host35-191-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:16] yeah, bootcrash [11:17] i prefer to let the text scroll by, that way if something goes wrong it is not hidden behind a bootsplash [11:17] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-71-139-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] when I had bootsplashes, it was just a cool background image, the text was still scrolling by [11:18] I dont like those 'silent' modes one [11:19] last time I wanted something like this, I realized it wasn't worth since I booted within 7 seconds so my "bootsplash" ended being just a black console just asking me to enter my credentials [11:20] and 'INIT{Idon'tknowwhat} booting', grrrr [11:20] Action: edman007 wonders why FF people make it hard to find the source [11:20] mine boots PDQ too, a bootsplash would just slow it down [11:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] edman007, because they're ashamed of it ? xD [11:22] hahaha [11:22] edman007, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Build_Documentation#Get_the_source [11:23] well they released an update yesterday (fixed the pwn2own stuff) [11:23] http://mozilla.osuosl.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.8/source/firefox-3.0.8-source.tar.bz2 [11:23] yea...i got it.. [11:23] but all sane apps put a link on the front page [11:23] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:23] with FF the source is a LOT more than 2-3 clicks deep on their site [11:23] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:24] yeah, mozilla catogorizes the hell of of everything in sub directories [11:24] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:24] edman007, remember firefox is made with windows users in mind ;) [11:24] (and I'm saying that because of the interface and the options, not because of the recent debate over its (js) performance) [11:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.23.4.41) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:25] Camarade_Tux, yea, but hide it under a link saying "other" and put a direct link to the source two clicks from the home page, many large applications do that [11:27] oh btw, my quote of the day : http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/885mp/does_anyone_else_who_doesnt_work_with_css_on_a/c08ikl6 [11:27] why do they make you click to the developer site? which points you to the binary, and does not even mention the site with the source, you really have to search to find a link to the server with the source, and then browse for the latest [11:28] Camarade_Tux, heh, thats you? [11:28] edman007, no, it just made my day ;) [11:29] anyways, there is a reason i want to get out of web programming, and its CSS/HTML issues between browsers, if you do that stuff it will make you insane [11:29] I find ff is not meant to be compiled by people outside of mozilla, the build process is horrible and the build often fails or succeeds but with more warnings than win98 compilation did [11:29] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:29] edman007, you can maybe try frameworks then [11:29] well i just need to make sure my patches go through [11:30] good, all went through... [11:31] i got some patches that i need and the FF people refuse to fix stating its a feature :( [11:31] what were these ? [11:31] TheBig (n=TheBig@host35-191-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [11:33] if you have, say 150 tabs open, like i often do, you know that it takes 5-10 minutes to open the browser, regardless of CPU speed, anyways, they refuse to make ctl-q prompt to quit citing that fact that if session save is enabled it will always remember your stuff anyways, but when you have a lot of tabs you a) use ctl-w a lot (right next to ctl-w) and b) can't wait for FF to open, since its not fast at all [11:34] err, ctl-w and ctl-q are right next to each other [11:34] having 150 tabs open is retraded [11:34] lol, whatever, usually i don't have more than 50 or so... [11:34] but the end result is they refuse to make prompting even an option [11:35] the most tabs i ever have open in firefaux is 3 or 4, rarely more than 5 [11:36] ditto [11:36] and there are many reasons that someone might not wan't to quit, like if they are viewing content that can't be refreshed, then even with session save it can't come back [11:36] thrice`, well i'm not alone... [11:36] some people use tabs more than others [11:37] taub (n=taub@ip-80-226-12-46.vodafone-net.de) left irc: "leaving" [11:37] edman007, yeah, that would be too difficult for the "user" [11:37] scary :> [11:37] but the worst part is that *we*, advanced users, write applications that are not designed for us and we can't really use [11:38] Camarade_Tux, no, i don't think so, for something like that they can put it in the config without a GUI option, i would not mind that [11:38] in fact they have the option right now, but they ignore it if session save is on [11:38] so really a true bug >< [11:40] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [11:40] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:40] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:42] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [11:43] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:44] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [11:45] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:47] would I need a custom kernel to boot slack on a P1? [11:48] no...stock should work [11:49] a P1 has mmx right? [11:49] yeah [11:49] specifically a P1 mmx [11:49] mmx was introduced in 166Mhz MMX [11:49] mines 233mhz [11:50] alright, i think that will work [11:51] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [11:51] don't forget to use the nosmp kernel [11:52] edman007, didnt knew that control w shortcut ... u know more ? [11:52] life to jump to left or right tab ? [11:52] life = like [11:53] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Ctrl+2 will take you to the second tab. [11:54] useless if u have more than 10 [11:54] I take it back... Alt+2. [11:54] :) [11:55] cuba (n=cub@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [11:56] DeeeeP, ctl-page up/down [11:56] ctl-1 through 0 jumps to a tab [11:57] great thanks :) [11:57] backspace can be configured to go back, with shift backspace going forward (was default in 2.0, but they changed it in 3.0) [11:57] mornin all. [11:58] oh, yea, jkwood is right, its alt to jump [11:58] forward / back ; alt left / right arrrow [11:58] agentc0re, morning [11:59] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.116) joined ##slackware. [11:59] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Hello, world! [12:00] Goodbye, Life! [12:00] lol [12:00] lol [12:00] lol [12:00] lol [12:00] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] nlol [12:01] nooo [12:01] you broke it [12:01] :) [12:02] Action: l4m4_m4n evil [12:04] edman007, how much ram does your FF consumes , with 150 tabs open ? [12:04] around 1GB [12:05] yesterday with +- 20 tabs i had a 800 MB consume [12:05] sick [12:05] right now though i got ~50 or so open...660MB used [12:06] here , 6 tabs ; 205 MB [12:06] I have 2W 29T with FF right now. 1.0G used, but i'm about 550mb in swap. I dunno wtf is going on. [12:06] swap?!?! [12:06] edman007: Yup, it blows. [12:06] buy more ram [12:07] I have 4G of ram [12:07] buy more [12:07] 1.4G free. [12:07] I have no idea why it's happenning. [12:07] i got 8GB, i'll probably upgrade soon [12:07] bump it to 16GB [12:07] i cant use more than 2GB 8-) [12:07] lol [12:08] Well why buy more than 1.4Gb is free? something is effed up, or maybe it's working correctly but not how i want it to. [12:08] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] My goal today is to update xfce to 4.6. I guess in 4.4 there were some memory leeks, i didn't know about that. [12:08] 2.2GB used right now, but thats only because its not enough to keep all my VMs running so they are off for now [12:08] that...and the power sucks here [12:09] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] I even turned swappiness to 0 [12:09] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [12:09] thats bad.. [12:09] Action: Stutteringmatt is in the house [12:09] the dog house. [12:09] when i start swapping on a computer i immediately start killing things to stop it [12:10] edman007: That's what i've been doing. [12:10] edman007: Since i have more ram free than swap usage i've just been doing swapoff -av; swapon -av [12:10] maybe i should just turn swap off and see what happens. [12:11] OOM killer brings by system to a total halt when i use it :( [12:11] edman007, why? swapping is good if your computer has been on for a while, it means that unused memory pages were retired from ram to give space to more useful things like io cache [12:12] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [12:12] nachox, i don't mind when things are in swap, i mean when things are swapping, as in going mind numbingly slow [12:12] what does "in the doghouse" mean ? [12:12] Camarade_Tux: http://www.bewareofthedoghouse.com/ [12:13] edman007, why do you think turning off the swap will help? [12:13] agentc0re, "Flash Player 8 is required to view this site." :D [12:13] nachox, thats agentc0re who said that, i just said i kill things when stuff is swapping ;) [12:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] nachox: Ya that was me who said that :D [12:13] hmm, FF does not like running after i upgraded the files from under it.. [12:14] Camarade_Tux, "in the doghouse" means some one is angry with you like the wife is mad with the husband [12:15] agentc0re, he, that website killed gnash (well, *I* killed it after it started making my computer nearly die) [12:15] nachox: Swap is good for something, like you said. The other day i swapped all the way up to 2Gb. PC was crawling to a halt. I messed around with some firefox settings better use ram, but it's still swapping more than i'd like. 500Mb right now. [12:15] Camarade_Tux: .. Let me find the youtube video of it. [12:16] Camarade_Tux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twivg7GkYts [12:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host74-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Woo.. The Time Machine was good [12:16] Action: Zordrak is getting the jitters because he hasnt compiled anything for almost 24 hours [12:17] Action: Zordrak builds wireshark [12:17] Zordrak: book/radioplay/movie (if so which version)? [12:17] TV / 1960 / Channel 5 [12:18] ah cool. Missed that. The 2002 version was only so so. [12:18] *nod* [12:18] Stella_Caeli (i=SC_SCT@78-20-186-101.access.telenet.be) left irc: Client Quit [12:18] any advice or tutorials on getting a logitech mx500 working in xorg.conf ? [12:18] i wont even watch the remake of planet of the apes [12:18] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:19] ezrafree: i,ve never used anything other than IMPS/2 [12:19] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: glib2, firefox [12:20] damnnit.. i wish topic change notifigations were from/to [12:20] the tb update is no longer in the security section? [12:20] new security advisories released since then [12:20] Camarade_Tux: The doghouse make sense now? ;) [12:21] Zordrak, ?? [12:21] agentc0re, I think I get it but I want gnash to save that video to disk so I can pkay it with mplayer because gnash can't play the sound >< [12:21] irssi only tells me what the new topic is [12:21] so i cant tell what changed [12:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] vatgas2 (n=val@124.162.15.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:25] Action: Zordrak considers upgrading his 24/03/09 -current to the current -current [12:25] Zordrak, the new security advisories for firefox and glib2 [12:25] although TB and /etc/passwd done manually already [12:25] nachox: *nod* [12:26] vatgas1 (n=val@123.145.48.96) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Zordrak: One good thing about the F1 tomorrow morning. No commericals. \o/ [12:26] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-98-151-147-230.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] hell yeah! [12:27] the No1 best thing for me has to be the return of "The Chain" [12:28] it just sets the whole mood [12:28] Nick change: vatgas1 -> toto1 [12:28] Nick change: toto1 -> vatgas1 [12:28] agentc0re, hehe [12:28] agentc0re, juice, thanks :) [12:28] I had been wondering that for years ;p [12:29] hmm, this is interesting, FF is not reading my theme :( [12:29] maybe it's time i changed my FF theme from the default [12:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] Zordrak, well what i mean is the GTK theme...its throwing a zillion errors [12:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@79.131.233.70) joined ##slackware. [12:30] but it loads fine with every other app [12:31] edman007: just prompted me to think about it [12:31] BP{k}, Zordrak check this > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY [12:31] i always have so much trouble deciding on and being happy with themen [12:31] DeeeeP: what is it? [12:31] lewis hamilton riding a RC F1 car [12:31] seen it [12:32] ok [12:33] cuba (n=cub@84.19.45.254) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [12:39] yep.. upgrading current now [12:40] monder if etc*tgz will pick up my manual fix to passwd [12:40] me_ (n=me_@89.242.80.171) joined ##slackware. [12:40] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@82.55.165.67) joined ##slackware. [12:40] hi [12:41] i gots me a problem with kde [12:41] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Action: Zordrak waits a moment before beating you over the head with #kde [12:42] heh [12:42] no [12:42] it's not kde [12:42] it's the trying to start kde [12:42] startkde fails [12:42] is that a kde problem? [12:42] startx [12:42] mr_mami (n=m7mod@196.205.132.173) joined ##slackware. [12:42] same [12:42] mr_mami (n=m7mod@196.205.132.173) left ##slackware. [12:42] unable to open display '' [12:43] xorg.conf prolly shafted [12:43] did you install all of kde? configure xorg properly? [12:43] me:_ 1) less enter 2) you shouldn't call startkde directly, but startx 3) Have you a) configured your xorg.conf b) a more complete xorg c) xorg.0.log for errors [12:43] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:44] Any thoughts on if i neet to drop to rl1 for glib2/module-init-tools or if 3 is sufficient.. [12:44] Zordrak: 3 should work (heck 4 might even work) [12:44] i usually use startx, i have never configured xorg.conf. i use the default or system determined or whatever it is and i'll check for errors now :D [12:45] try # xorgsetup [12:45] what *does* mean a drop to 1? [12:45] Zordrak: "telinit 1"? [12:45] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] where is xorg.0.log please? [12:46] yeah.. what is sufficient to warrant it? [12:46] me_: /var/log [12:46] thanks [12:46] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) joined ##slackware. [12:48] vatgas1 (n=val@123.145.48.96) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:49] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] i guess i'll try xorgsetup [12:50] brb [12:50] me_ (n=me_@89.242.80.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] giuppy (n=giuppy@host14-169-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] vatgas (n=val@123.145.49.80) joined ##slackware. [12:54] ZMR__ (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [12:54] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Action: Zordrak continues to wonder why getties 2-5 are off by default in rl4 [12:58] guess prolly performance related [12:58] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-148-206.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-204-89.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:05] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-145-248.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [13:09] cuba (n=cub@84.19.45.254) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [13:09] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:10] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [13:11] any advice or tutorials on getting a logitech mx500 working in xorg.conf ? [13:11] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-76-7.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] ezrafree: what is different about that mouse than a standard mouse? # of buttons? [13:12] ezrafree: how many buttons do you have? [13:12] ezrafree: I have a mx1000, i can tell you what i did but you might have to change a few things. [13:13] my scroll wheel isn't working is the most important thing really [13:13] i guess technically there's 8 [13:14] 8 buttons by my count [13:14] but that's counting the scroll wheel itself as a button, cause you can push it down [13:14] not sure if that counts [13:15] scrollup is one button [13:15] scrollwheel down is another button [13:15] pushing mouse wheel, is another button [13:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.46.41) joined ##slackware. [13:16] so 9 buttons i guess then? [13:16] you tell us [13:16] no i guess that makes for 10 buttons [13:16] amigo_rich (n=richard@92-232-223-69.cable.ubr08.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:16] 10 buttons is my final answer haha [13:16] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [13:16] edit your xorg.conf so you have 10 buttons on the mouse [13:17] then use the tool xev to see what button is labeled what number [13:17] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [13:17] then use xmodmap to rearange the buttons [13:17] is milw0rm down ? [13:20] hmm xev doesn't give me a button number for scrolling up or down [13:21] fred: was http://f-r-e-d.org/ yours at one time? I remember seeing Slackware wallpapers there but the domain is no longer owned [13:21] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@83.132.113.29) joined ##slackware. [13:21] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@83.132.113.29) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:22] ezrafree: http://pastebin.learnix.net/22 [13:22] http://pastebin.com/d77703751 ezrafree this makes my wheel work in my logitec wheelmouse [13:22] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:22] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:23] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:23] thanks agentc0re and Pig_Pen [13:23] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:24] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:24] me_ (n=me_@78.147.40.187) joined ##slackware. [13:24] for anyone wondering, i'm hardening slackware 9.0 and doing some PoC =) [13:25] phrag, 9.0?!?!?! [13:25] is it for a history class? [13:27] problem solved btw [13:27] yay thank you somuch for your help guys! [13:27] for some reason all the results on google weren't helping [13:27] me_ did xorgsetup do it? [13:27] i compare to the 'hubble telescope'? using a 386 processor because they knew the weaknesses and hardened them =P [13:28] but your pastebin code worked for me [13:28] xorgsetup did fix it, but i had to change to xorg.conf-vesa [13:28] edman007: it's a hardening assignment... not as much scope for hardening 12.2 =P [13:28] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:28] ezrafree: sweet! glad it helped. [13:29] i don't know what exatly it is or why but the configuration closely matched my old xorg.conf so yeah [13:29] edman007: everyone else in the class will be hacking winxp boxes and 'hardening' by enableing a firewall and antivirus with a couple of clicks =P [13:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-145-248.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:30] phrag, if you want to harden something, just take the latest kernel, strip it down, and make it boot to busybox (or maybe just bash) with nothing else, that will probably be the best one in the class [13:30] you can even disable network [13:31] and put bubble gun in the ports you don't want people using [13:31] so what exatly could have messed up my xorg.conf file? [13:31] just happens sometimes? [13:32] phrag, maybe just come in with a $5 calculator and claim you took linux and hardened it, going so far as to change the CPU and I/O methods, and replacing the software [13:33] lol, but someone could still write 8008135 ! [13:33] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] mib_edr5tc (i=57a8f6f2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fb241a04f5623d4f) joined ##slackware. [13:36] mib_edr5tc (i=57a8f6f2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fb241a04f5623d4f) left ##slackware. [13:39] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.40.110) joined ##slackware. [13:40] phrag, why are you hardening that slackware? i'm betting a slackware that old has unfixed critical kernel bugs [13:40] Zordrak: why did you call me a bad admin when I mused about /etc/passwd being more reliable? [13:41] more reliable than what? [13:41] nachox: than using nss_ldap against a network server [13:43] pi31415, are you using any form of encryption with nss_ldap? [13:43] I am not using nss_ldap [13:43] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [13:44] well, using /etc/passwd is more reliable, you dont depend on your network equipment or on the ldap server being around, but that is not why you'd use ldap [13:45] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:46] i just wondered what about it made me a bad admin [13:50] you ar a bad admin for wondering [13:50] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] me_: what would i need to learn in order to qualify as a good admin? [13:51] bash scripting [13:51] :p [13:51] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.5.67) joined ##slackware. [13:51] l4m4_m4n: how is bash scripting even remotely related to network authentication? [13:51] it is used in automatisation [13:52] j0z (n=LINUX@200-96-5-156.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:52] there are a lot of tasks to be automatized... I know a network admin, he is good [13:52] i will figurize that into my calculatations [13:52] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116 [13:52] not every unix has bash [13:52] you're much better off with ksh [13:53] not every unix has ksh [13:53] which one doesnt [13:54] it's aix's default shell, it's a core package in solaris, it's available in every bsd, it's available in hp-ux [13:54] ragsagar (n=ragsagar@59.93.5.67) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] bbl [13:54] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] greetings and salutations [13:54] andarius: Greetings. How are you? [13:54] hrm, i wonder why autotools avoids kshisms [13:54] salutations firebird619. i am well. you ? [13:54] I am doing great. Thank you. [13:55] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [13:55] pi31415, not every linux installs it by default, i know debian based distros dont since i have to install it every time... [13:55] if im using alsa, do i need to be running artsd? [13:56] vinnie_, no [13:57] Camarade_Tux: how do i dissable artsd? [13:58] Action: Camarade_Tux_ can't remember that however [13:58] ok...thanks [13:58] I think what I did was simply uninstall it [13:59] ok... brb [13:59] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [14:00] brb [14:00] me_ (n=me_@78.147.40.187) left irc: "me_em" [14:00] I used to install ksh93 on netbsd because the built-in pdksh lacked some feature, but I forgot what it was. some years later i just adapted to pdksh. [14:02] it's not difficult to stick close enough to posix that a script has a reasonable chance of running on whatever /bin/sh is [14:04] it actually is, the problem is in the little details, i should know it since i spent hours porting from one shell to the other [14:05] and why would you use pdksh when ksh is available? :) david korn really knows what he is doing [14:06] finally, adjusting to posix in a non-posix compliant environment like linux is a joke :P [14:06] nille_ (i=1000@85.230.98.48) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] nachox: I spent years maintaining autocrap build scripts, so I believe you are right about the details. But I also believe that if a script is running into those details, then the script author is trying to be too clever [14:08] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:09] pi31415, there are those subltle things, you'll see them for example when porting scripts to solaris' /bin/sh, linux's /bin/sh is really bash, so it's not so unforgiving [14:09] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:10] abo (n=abo@rm-ddb-1ef24.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [14:11] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:12] just to pass the time, what is a good example of a subtle detail? [14:12] hello, i'm trying to compile 2.4 kernel for slackware 12.0 but it hangs while loading is it true that 2.4 only works on 11.0 ? [14:13] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:13] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [14:13] pi31415, evaluation order, some test operands, command replacement using the nasty backtick to name a few [14:14] What about command replacement? [14:14] modern shells have adopted the much nicer $(command) syntax [14:15] I remember many years ago switching from `` to $() because at that time bash could handle nested $() but not nested `` [14:15] In retrospect, I had no business nesting subshells, I should have broken it into multiple lines [14:15] sun's /bin/sh cannot handle that new syntax [14:15] Why not use `` then? [14:16] because it's confusing, deprecated and ksh which supports it runs everywhere [14:16] What is confusing about it? [14:17] muddling syntax [14:17] you can easily confuse it with ' [14:17] abo, iirc there are some 2.6 bits absolutely required in slackware 12 (udev most probably) [14:18] Action: Camarade_Tux_ sees a clear difference between ` and ' in gvim [14:18] even with his very tiny font [14:20] http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/082 [14:20] Most of the points listed here could be arguments to simplify the code rather than use the new syntax. [14:21] GArik (n=wesnoth@80.246.84.163) joined ##slackware. [14:21] I like the arguments that the new syntax is easier to read and type, and that escaping is more consistent under the new syntax. [14:22] most of Bash is POSIX stuff [14:22] It would not be that difficult to avoid command substitution alltogether [14:23] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] pi31415, i avoid bash for anything but interactive usage, and in opensolaris, even for that since it has ksh93 [14:23] i've been burnt too many times already [14:23] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-104-246.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [14:24] opensolaris uses bash for everything unless I m missing that sh is symlinked to ksh? [14:25] ah it is [14:25] I try to stick to the defaults, which means I prefer bash on linux, pdksh on netbsd, and wsh on windows [14:25] nacho@saturn:~$ ls -l /sbin/sh [14:25] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Feb 11 04:28 /sbin/sh -> ../usr/bin/i86/ksh93 [14:26] what the hell is wsh [14:26] /sbin/sh ? that's silly [14:26] thrice`, why? [14:26] windows scripting host.. with jscript it is much nicer to work with than .bat files [14:26] why would it not be /bin ? [14:27] thrice`: because /bin is for non-admin tools mainly [14:27] it is also there, it's a link to /sbin/sh [14:27] O.o [14:27] nacho@saturn:~$ ls -l /bin/sh [14:27] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Apr 26 2008 /bin/sh -> ../../sbin/sh [14:27] by default opensolaris uses bash for user shells [14:28] Action: nachox nods [14:28] at least it isn't a link to /etc/sh =) [14:28] I can't even stand ksh really never could get use to that shell [14:28] kitche: but /bin is meant for binaries shared by the user and admins; the shell surely is such a monster [14:29] pi31415, there is a /etc/mount though :) [14:29] kitche, it's probably because of the vi compatible entry mode, right? [14:30] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [14:30] nachox: probably I jsut never liked it like the other shells [14:30] I grew used to the vi compatible entry mode, though for some reason some versions of ksh have the history disabled by default [14:31] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [14:31] kitche, like i said, it's what i've used for years as my scripting shell, bash is what i used as my interactive shell in linux and solaris 10, i'm extremely happy with ksh93 in opensolaris [14:31] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] some folks rely heavily on tabcomplete, but it is easy to adapt to globbing instead [14:33] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.40.110) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] I've had people try to talk me into using zsh or a perl based shell [14:34] a perl based shell? :) [14:34] they may as well have handed me the book of mormon [14:35] Action: agentc0re hands pi31415 the BoM [14:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_Shell [14:35] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=43456 some house pet! [14:35] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-54-204.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Action: pi31415 hands agentc0re a perl of great price [14:37] pi31415, i want a python shell :P [14:37] I think it is kind of neat that slackware includes common lisp, even though I don't use it [14:37] nachox: I m so surprised how fast many of opensolaris tools are considering they are python [14:38] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hello [14:38] kitche, pkg(5) is a pig [14:38] It would be fearsome to debug init scripts that begin with #!/usr/bin/gforth or #!/usr/bin/guile [14:39] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Action: Zordrak changes his login shell to psh [14:39] has anyone peer a bluetooth device with slackware? I can use some help :p [14:40] pi31415, what about a java shell? :) [14:40] P4C0: if it's Nokia.. just use gnokii [14:40] kitche: redhat uses python for updates and some package management and it competes with SD-UX for slowness [14:40] otherwise rtfm [14:40] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a83-132-113-29.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] Zordrak: yes, it's nokia, I was trying to use obexftp (that I have used in the pass) but hcid says it can't get on dbus :( [14:41] nachox: it would be more readable if done in something higher level like rhino [14:41] Zordrak: I will try gnokii [14:44] I like well documented software, but sadly, some of the languages that I like the least happen to be some of the best documented languages. (Java and Perl) [14:45] hehe [14:45] python is very well documented imho [14:46] I dislike VisualBasic and AppleScript even more [14:46] they even encourage it with __doc__ and such [14:49] python is good [14:49] I also found TCL pleasantly surprising [14:49] python is slow and uses a lot of memory :) [14:49] TCL smells old, old like fortran and cobol :P [14:50] and python is not that slow [14:50] nachox: tcl feels well thought out and documented [14:50] it's true that compared to bash... [14:50] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] me_ (n=me_@84.13.180.13) joined ##slackware. [14:52] othermindszine (n=othermin@59.sub-70-192-33.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] pi31415, why don't you like perl? [14:54] jonsmith1982: I used perl for several years in various flavors of unix and windows. over time I noticed that I am more productive in other languages. I do not like perl's syntax and I do not like the TIMTOWTDI philosophy [14:54] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/technology/29spy.html i think it is the real Big Brother [14:54] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:54] I only used cgi perl [14:54] me__ (n=me_@92.24.105.140) joined ##slackware. [14:55] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-98-151-147-230.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:56] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [14:56] a turning point was when i rewrote a set of scripts from perl to php and noticed that they ran much more quickly, had fewer lines of code, and were easier to read. [14:57] never took the time to analyze it further [14:57] ^me_^ (n=me_@78.147.164.246) joined ##slackware. [14:58] madkento (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-98-151-147-230.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Have any of you guys tried KMS? [15:02] what? [15:02] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:02] nope [15:03] never heard of KMS [15:03] slack's xorg is too old to use it, I think [15:03] kernel mode setting [15:03] thrice`++ [15:03] still never heard of it :) [15:03] plus it needs intel hardware [15:03] oh Knowledge Management System (KM System) [15:04] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] basically it will make your X work a bit better (it should start more than two seconds faster, no more flicker) [15:06] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-131.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] amigo_rich (n=richard@92-232-223-69.cable.ubr08.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [15:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] space shuttle coming in 7 minutes [15:07] and your point? [15:07] just thought I'd mention it [15:07] Sorry. Yes it's suppose to better suppose your terminals, make suspend/resume more robust. [15:07] Just better handling. [15:07] Camarade_Tux_: You tried it? [15:08] thrice`: kitche: It's one of the improvements in kernel 2.6.29 [15:08] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] slackware 12.1 came with high mem support enabled in the default kernel, does 12.2 ? if so, does 4 G of ram require addidtinal tweaking / recompile? [15:09] me_ (n=me_@84.13.180.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] alkos333: yes, I know, but slackware's xorg isn't up to date enough to use it, specifically the intel driver stuff, which doesn't even support gem yet [15:10] Action: kitche does not really care about kernel anymore [15:10] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201008198179.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:10] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] kitche: Why so serial, pumpkin :P? [15:11] nah I just find it compiling a kernel on linux is a waste of tiem anymore :) [15:11] thrice`: Yes, that's where I was leading with this. Just wanted to know if the userspace was up-to-date enough [15:11] ?! [15:11] kitche: Why? [15:11] blkdg: you will either need to recompile with 64Gb ram support as i had to with 32bit or use slamd64 or and other x64 alt. [15:11] every machine i run has its own kernel [15:12] ok, thanks for the direction agentc0re [15:12] have a good day [15:12] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] bluetooth setup in slackware is not working :( [15:12] alkos333: to much of a hassle for me mainly the configuration menu among other things [15:13] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] me__ (n=me_@92.24.105.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] alkos333, I can't, I'm on nvidia hardware [15:14] I know about it because nouveau is starting to support it [15:14] I get this when I try to connecto to a bluetooth device: http://pastebin.com/m7f1a0458 any ideas? [15:14] once you have the .config set up all you need to do is import/reload it with menuconfig when it comes time to rebuild a kernel so it is quicker and easier the next time [15:15] alkos333: I'm fairly certain not. I believe the intel 2.6 driver kinda supports it, but 2.7 (unreleased) much more. to update to 2.6.x, you'd have to update mesa, libdrm, the proto support libraries, and rebuild xorg-server [15:16] Pig_Pen: yes as I used to now I find that to be a hassle sicne anymroe I'd rather use something and new kernels aren't a big thing for me [15:16] pi31415 (n=pi31415@98.246.78.78) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [15:16] thrice`: Well, I don't have the time to do that. I'll just wait for Slack 13 b/c I'm almost positive those will be included. [15:16] me__ (n=me_@92.24.132.154) joined ##slackware. [15:16] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:17] heh, maybe :| [15:17] kitche: What's the to configure? It took me 5 minutes to update from .28 to .29? wget <2.6.29 source>, tar -xf, cd linux-2.6.29, zcat /proc/config.gz > .config, make oldconfig, make menuconfig, make -j3, make -j3 modules, make modules_install, ... and almost done :P [15:18] *there [15:18] P4C0, if you install the kde bluetooth package, it includes a passkey manager and your stuff will connect, though you may need rworkman's modified dbus too [15:19] alkos333: boy you take the logn way when compiling a kernel don't you [15:19] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:19] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [15:19] I don't use make oldconfig at all [15:19] make oldconfig is pretty important [15:19] i been importing the same customized .config for a long time, kernel builds are a 5 minute task [15:19] kitche: What do you mean by "the long way"? [15:19] thrice`: yes if you use an oldconfig [15:19] alkos333: make modules_install [15:20] kitche: you have to use oldconfig to keep things consistent [15:20] kitche: that just copies the modules to /lib/modules [15:20] kitche: you customize the options every time ? [15:20] thrice`: no sicne I didn't have to customize anything usually [15:20] at least on my old system I just had to do make && make install [15:20] kitche: make oldconfig prompts for new options. if you odn't use it, it wil eventually break [15:20] thrice`: oldconfig takes my old config and uses that as the base for the new config. It adds new options and keeps the old ones the same. [15:21] Action: andarius does a manual config every time :( [15:21] alkos333: yes, I'm well aware :) [15:21] andarius: pain [15:21] thrice`: I usually got asked for over 100 questions with make oldconfig [15:21] considering on only do it about once a year not much of one :P [15:21] back when i was a kernel chaser i did it each time then too though [15:22] I typically do 1 / major release [15:22] kitche: Most of them are new drivers, etc and they are usually set to N by default, you just have to his Enter a bunch of times. [15:23] alkos333: yes I did not feel like press enter over 100 times but I could have just setup a macro to do it for me if I wanted to [15:23] I update to every major release because it's really not much of a hassle for me at all... [15:23] kitche: a hundred? probably 20 or so, and what do you think happens when you DON'T run oldconfig? [15:23] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Fenix-Dark: is there a way to hardcode the passkey? [15:24] kitche: How would you set up a macro? I've never done that [15:24] I never saved my .configs anyways anywhere on my system [15:25] more than likely you did [15:25] more then liekly I did not [15:25] i leave one in the kernel and copy it over to /boot [15:25] you have to save it or the kernel wont build :P [15:25] P4C0, i meddled with bluetooth for a little while, i only got it to work after i installed the kde blutooth stuff, and it still didnt auto connect, i had to manually connect the keyboard each time i rebooted [15:25] kernel source [15:25] as .config in the root of the source tree [15:26] yup [15:26] so if you built it, yes, you saved it :) [15:26] also, /proc/config.gz [15:26] andarius: yep but I don't keep the kernel source around when I had that machine [15:26] DaZ (n=ania12l@dse231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Action: andarius disables /proc/config.gz [15:26] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: No route to host [15:26] thrice`: /proc/config.gz was only saved there if you use that option [15:26] i dont build the /proc/config.gz feature [15:26] your removing it does not exclude you from saving it initialy ;) [15:26] Fenix-Dark: thanks, i will see if I can try the kde bluetooth stuff [15:27] I actually never saved the .config I jsut did a make && make install after a while [15:27] O.o [15:27] since the vanilla kernel had all of my hardware already in it [15:27] again, if you do not have .config it wont build [15:27] Action: thrice` never lets kitche near his computer [15:27] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201008198179.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:27] thrice`: I don't even usee linux anymore well besides a compat layer [15:28] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-54-204.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] i use Linux exclusivly, ms-windows is forbidden in my home :D [15:28] same here except for the kids PC [15:29] I have windows on my pc but I usually just boot up a VM and use freebsd or opensolaris [15:29] window3s is still installed due to parents [15:29] even my two boys use Linux [15:29] you use windows just as a gateway for a VM > [15:29] ? [15:29] ah [15:29] thrice`: not usually but new computer [15:30] my 87 year old mother uses Linux, she just lives across town so i go over to her house to admin her PC on occasion [15:30] thats awesome [15:30] a great grandmother that uses Slackware 12.2 [15:31] and most of my vm right now are more development anyways [15:31] Nick change: DaZ -> ava1an [15:31] ^me_^ (n=me_@78.147.164.246) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:32] kernel benchmarks just to compare things a bit: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2629_benchmarks&num=1 [15:33] it is true that Linux is every bit as user friendly as ms-windows, the things my mother is clueless about in Linux she is equally clueless about in ms-windows, might as well have her use Linux with just a user account so it will be secured against user error [15:33] Nick change: aceofspa1es19 -> aceofspades19 [15:33] My family all run Slackware 12.2, 4 PCs........my 14 year old has a Macbook [15:34] does anyone of you guys buy original slackware cd/dvd ? [15:34] yep [15:34] that's nice [15:35] i do sometimes, but this last time i been financially strapped i cant even get a fishing license this year :( [15:35] lol [15:35] I bought the 6 CD set for 12.1.......for 12.2 I made a contribution at the slackware store. [15:35] shipping rates to Europe suck ! [15:36] me__ (n=me_@92.24.132.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] I bought my first distro, but that was the only time I paid for free software [15:36] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] in 1998 [15:36] hi, what is the advantage to not creating multiple partitions? [15:36] i am starting to dig myself out of the money pit since my pickup is paid off and i got rid of that full coverage insurance and just got liability on it [15:37] got a pickup and like fishing? my kind of guy :-) [15:37] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] i need a pickup for work, i got rid of the old gas hog with the V8 and bought an S10 with a little four cylinder [15:37] work, play, i need a pickup [15:38] I just re-financed my house for the last time. Mortgage will be done in 5 years.....about 2 years before retirement [15:38] Nick change: ava1an -> DaZ [15:38] Any of you guys had luck with Miro in 12.2? [15:39] i got this place paid for, no more house payments, just utility bills :D [15:39] nice [15:39] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] me_ (n=me_@89.242.92.121) joined ##slackware. [15:39] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [15:39] besides creating /, /swap, /boot, /home is is really nesissary for creating my own /opt or /usr or what have you? [15:40] the only onerequired is / [15:40] i use a / /swap /usr and /home [15:40] blkdg: you must have at least a root and swap partition. I use a root, swap and home partition. [15:41] hitest: same here [15:41] well and /boot [15:41] since I have LUKS+LVM and I need to keep /boot unencrypted [15:41] I have /boot mounted as ro [15:41] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [15:43] TheBig (n=TheBig@host35-191-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:44] me__ (n=me_@78.145.30.11) joined ##slackware. [15:45] you dont need a swap partition in linux, you can use swap files [15:46] they are also much more flexible [15:46] you /can/, but probably don't want to [15:46] i really dont know why people dont use them more [15:46] nille_ (i=1000@c-3062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:47] is there an advantage ? [15:47] you dont need to make a new partition [15:48] Action: andarius would also guess more flexible size and location [15:48] Action: nachox nods [15:49] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) joined ##slackware. [15:51] nachox, andarius: thanks for the tips, guys:) [15:53] cubas (n=cub@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [15:53] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] Fenix-Dark: I followed the /etc/bluetooth/README.SLACKWARE and I have this when I start rc.bluetooth: hcid[15621]: register_passkey_agent called without any adapter info!, last message repeated 697824 times and it hcid hangs... [15:56] is it hard to add support of bash completion for man pages ? [15:57] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] ^me_^ (n=me_@92.24.64.169) joined ##slackware. [15:57] " #man ifco " [15:57] ok thanks again [15:57] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [16:01] me_ (n=me_@89.242.92.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:03] me_ (n=me_@92.24.97.110) joined ##slackware. [16:08] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA3622.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] me__ (n=me_@78.145.30.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] is it worth going from slack 12.1 to 12.2? [16:14] cubas: there is a bash-completion package in extra/ series. i read the main file a bit and it mentions man and manpath [16:14] so i guess it will have manpage completion [16:15] briareus: there were many significant changes from 12.1 to 12.2 so i would say yes, but it is debatable. some will say "if it works keep it" [16:15] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) left ##slackware. [16:15] Lord_Khelben: yeah that's kinda where I am, it works. [16:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsk6dJr4wps [16:15] Ohhh the painnn! [16:16] [ YouTube - RFID Implant in Hand Do It Yourself ] [16:16] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] umm, screw that :P [16:19] ^me_^ (n=me_@92.24.64.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:19] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] so belkin sold me a router [16:20] ouch. that looks painful (though he didn't seem to hurt) [16:21] i changed the password but now i can't login [16:21] i don't like the idea of an implant in me even if it doesn't hurt [16:21] belkin tech support says that i should leave the password blank and lock the router away [16:21] fantastic [16:21] me_: most hardware routers have a "reset" button in case you forget the password [16:21] i didn't forget [16:22] it resets it to hardware defaults [16:22] it's a hardware issue [16:22] the support guy is just a nub [16:22] ah so you know the pass but it doesn't accept it ? [16:22] ya [16:22] pain in the ass [16:22] Action: andarius would return that crap and get a real one [16:23] sucj as? 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[16:36] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/28/1519228&art_pos=4 [16:36] wonderful [16:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-158.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [16:39] Charter is shit from a dog's ass [16:40] tell me about it [16:40] they are my carrier [16:42] nille_ (i=1000@c-3062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:49] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:51] SpacePlod: [16:51] you around [16:51] check this mess out http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/40GB.log.txt [16:51] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] i'm doing a 3 retry pass on it now with direct IO [16:52] das (n=ania12l@dtg99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:53] othermindszine (n=othermin@59.sub-70-192-33.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [16:54] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] Nick change: das -> DaS [16:54] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] me_ (n=me_@92.24.97.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [16:59] me_ (n=me_@89.240.195.132) joined ##slackware. [16:59] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) joined ##slackware. [17:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "look, over there ------->" [17:02] me__ (n=me_@92.24.131.34) joined ##slackware. [17:02] http://www.securityfocus.com/blogs/1802 [17:02] omgz0rz [17:03] run for the hills [17:03] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.43) joined ##slackware. [17:05] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.43) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] ^me_^ (n=me_@92.26.172.224) joined ##slackware. [17:06] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:07] ^me_^ (n=me_@92.26.172.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] i dont care if a bunch of nasty old windows machines fall over like a row of dominoes, i might even be a funny sight if it could be viewed live [17:07] ^me_^ (n=me_@92.26.172.224) joined ##slackware. [17:08] DaZ (n=ania12l@dse231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] Nick change: DaS -> DaZ [17:08] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) joined ##slackware. [17:08] what i would like to see is a worm that fdisks windows & runs a little program that slams a small linux distro on like puppy [17:08] the only thing that would suck is if they aim all the zombies at the root DNS servers or internet exchange points [17:08] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] Hello how to get work mouse wheel in slackware 12.1? [17:09] grazymax (n=grazymax@host74-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] ivis: http://slackwiki.org/Scroll_Wheel [17:09] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [17:10] nullboy, Thanks ! hmm why doesnt google show this page :) [17:10] because you didn't ask google the correct question [17:10] #3 hit for me with this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slackware+scroll+wheel+wiki&btnG=Search [17:11] if i was an evil genius i would make such a worm, let it spread for a few months to vulnerable windows PC, and have many secret mirrors set up with a small Linux distro, then on a sunday at midnight it will be a done deal, come monday morning when people go to work they will find Linux on their terminal [17:12] nullboy, http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+get+work+mouse+wheel+on+slackware+12.1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [17:12] ...like i said, you didn't ask the right question [17:13] nullboy, you use a word wiki becouse u know that , but i didnt know and thats whay i don't add at the end "wiki" :) [17:13] ... [17:14] nullboy: sup? [17:14] <^me_^> why a small distro pigpen? [17:14] SpacePlod: did you see that paste? [17:14] SpacePlod: this disk is toast [17:14] because they install quicker [17:14] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/40GB.log.txt [17:14] No. [17:14] <^me_^> you ARE a genius [17:14] lol! i wish :D [17:15] holy muther puss bucket. [17:15] lol [17:15] there's a whole lot of /'s in there [17:16] magic 8ball says "outlook is grim" [17:16] christ on a scooter...is someone paying you to try and recover that? [17:16] at least a decently secured linux distro wont be turned in to a spambot, i would even include a text file on the desktop explaining why they found Linux on their computer [17:16] cubas (n=cub@84.19.44.65) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [17:16] SpacePlod: after seeing the log i'm not going to go super crazy on it. just one more pass using direct io and retries and i'll call it done [17:17] didja try the bag 'o rice in the freezer trick yet? [17:17] for me this one would be easy... "Sorry, this case is closed". [17:17] i can tell from the noises it's making that these are certainly head crash areas [17:18] it was a USB drive attached to a laptop that was treated poorly [17:18] lost power many times too [17:18] well then.... [17:18] me_ (n=me_@89.240.195.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] I'd listen to the magic 8 ball [17:18] haha [17:19] you get the ppt/pdf? [17:19] oh man! i forgot to check today [17:19] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] yes! thanks! [17:21] cool. feedback and suggestions are appreciated and appropriately recognized, btw. ;-) I'm always adding to the material and you're experience in the field is unique. [17:21] Q. what do you say to a high maintenence woman? A. "we can go out and have a good time but you have to buy your own diamonds and car." [17:23] "i'll pay you with sex, sweetheart" [17:23] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:24] i sure am glad my wife is not vain and materialistic [17:24] i made a new map http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/map_34.280207_-119.295345_2757_1280_1024.png [17:24] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] i sold a bed liner for a new Chevrolet Silverado pickup to a couple and the wife was oozing high maintenence in the vibes i got from her [17:26] nullboy: how long did that take you? [17:26] me__ (n=me_@92.24.131.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] the driving, maybe 20-25 mins [17:27] van (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:27] van (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:27] after that it only takes a couple minutes to render the map [17:27] cubas (n=cub@84.19.45.254) joined ##slackware. [17:27] nullboy: using what software? [17:27] thumbs: kismet + gpsmap [17:27] nullboy: thank you. [17:27] np [17:27] have fun ;) [17:27] once I get my lappy back, I will [17:28] btw in that map i posted it is showing dots for APs based on *my* location at time of signal detection [17:29] monstro (i=monstro@189.111.17.207) joined ##slackware. [17:29] there is a way to do it so that you get an approximate AP center location too [17:29] Hi all, [17:29] nullboy: I was just gonna ask about that [17:29] monstro: all is not in today [17:29] thumbs: mostly, it looks like that because i had to keep moving, couldn't stop and just sit there [17:29] nullboy: surely, this is not the exact physical location of each device [17:29] nullboy: right [17:29] DaZ (n=ania12l@dtg99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: [17:30] Whats is repository of packages in slackware? [17:30] thumbs: nope, but the longer you sit still the better the location gets [17:30] DaZ (n=root@dtg99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:30] nullboy: obvously [17:30] you can see where i pulled into a parking lot and circled a little, near the center of the map. that's how it should look [17:31] just linuxpackages? what recommended? [17:31] monstro: do NOT ever use linuxpackages.net [17:31] monstro: www.slackbuilds.org [17:32] <^me_^> update.windows.com [17:32] Philadelphia (i=bono@118-168-237-107.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] monstro: if you have issues from using lp.net, we will refuse to help you. [17:32] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-241-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:32] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) left irc: "leaving" [17:33] <^me_^> what's wrong with lp? [17:33] there is a simple tool for installing packages from slackbuild? [17:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) joined ##slackware. [17:33] ^me_^: http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [17:33] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) joined ##slackware. [17:33] monstro: read the howto on the site. [17:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] monstro: how do you mean? with a slackbuild package from SBo building is 1 line. [17:33] nullboy intentionally malicious? what's their gain to do that? [17:34] <^me_^> if you want a simple tool monstro you need ubuntu or something [17:34] read the blog [17:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ^me_^: no need to be condescending. [17:34] monstro: . ./.info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD && su -c './.SlackBuild' [17:35] I still can get work my mouse wheel i fallow up this tuts http://slackwiki.org/Scroll_Wheel and got error when start x serv is there any different way to get wokr mouse wheel ? [17:35] ivis: give us the error you get. [17:35] nullboy: that's fscked up [17:35] briareus: yep [17:36] so we'll repeat it again - anyone that uses linuxpackages.net here will be laughed at, and not given any suport. [17:36] <^me_^> yeah not cool [17:36] thumbs, hmm i fix it up replace default settings in xorg.conf [17:36] ivis: what? [17:36] <^me_^> however, that page said that the text was found on a mirror of lp [17:36] ivis: I asked for the error in the xorg log. [17:36] <^me_^> who can say that it originated from lp? [17:36] Razec (n=razec@187-26-146-148.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:37] ^me_^: the point is that lp.net is extremely dangerous. [17:37] I *only* use packaged from lp.net, and my system is borked, PLEASE HELP ME [17:37] <^me_^> because someone claimed that they are [17:37] thumbs, is there any folder where storing xorg log ? [17:37] <^me_^> i don't know the full story [17:37] ivis: /var/log [17:37] Re automation w/ SBo - see http://sbopkg.org [17:38] Re LP, I personally saw that text on their site. [17:38] (before it was removed) [17:38] so did I [17:38] <^me_^> that is shocking [17:38] uva (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:39] and the moral of the story is...doot doo doo DOOO...audit your packages. [17:40] <^me_^> ya [17:40] <^me_^> just because lp said that they do such a thing doesn't mean that they are the only ones [17:40] well, slackbuilds allows that to be done very easily since there are no packages there... [17:41] <^me_^> but what would lp gain from that? [17:41] <^me_^> they don't sell packages do they? [17:41] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:41] You know what I like best about that lp.net policy? Nothing. [17:41] they sell package CD sets iirc [17:41] ^me_^: so their gain? ruin P2P [17:41] force CD sales [17:41] garme_ (n=garme@189-92-132-180.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] <^me_^> mmhmm [17:42] <^me_^> would you ever buy a package cd? [17:42] who in their right mind would be a cd full of fraked up packages from lp.net? [17:42] i don't need to, but to answer where this is going, i do buy slackware cd sets... [17:42] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) joined ##slackware. [17:43] thumbs, in log no errors [17:43] <^me_^> i have bought nothing and donated nothing, i feel like a leech on this whole community [17:43] ivis: you said you got errors while starting X [17:43] you haven't submitted any bug reports? [17:43] <^me_^> maybe i can buy a t-shirt or something [17:43] ivis: look for lines with EE [17:43] you've never helped in a help channel? [17:44] <^me_^> yes i have [17:44] <^me_^> but that doesn't pay anyones mortgage [17:44] that's part of the deal though [17:44] <^me_^> i guess [17:44] helping is time [17:44] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] not that buying merch is bad though [17:44] I help on freenode at least 20 hours a week. [17:44] amongst all the channels I'm in [17:44] thumbs, there no lines with EE [17:45] ivis: then you have no errors, and everything is good [17:45] <^me_^> you have rested my soul with one line of text nullboy [17:45] i try to help someone with a genuine problem at least once a day [17:45] thumbs, yea but my mouse wheel doesnt work [17:45] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:45] If I take the time to help someone else, and I'm polite and helpful, that may just keep someone using Slackware. [17:45] ivis: so read the link we gave you earlier. [17:45] <^me_^> have you checked your xorg.conf file ivis? [17:46] <^me_^> there is a mouse section that needs to be modified for scroll wheels [17:46] If only one percent of the people I've helped so far were to buy something from the store, that's still more than I can do on my own monetarily. [17:46] ^me_^, yea i fallow up that guide and i modifed and got error in x serv can't start [17:46] Agiofws (n=agiofws@79.131.233.70) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] <^me_^> problem with being a nub is that i don't know how to help most people so when i do i get a special feeling in my pants [17:47] ivis: so then you DO have errors in the xorg log file. [17:47] <^me_^> what did you change ivis [17:47] Dan-` (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:47] thumbs if this is the log "xorg.0.log" then i don't have errors [17:48] ^me_^, i fallow up guide to 5 button mouse [17:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:48] <^me_^> did you follow it correctly? [17:48] ivis: if xorg tells you it cannot start, then you have errors, and they will be logged. [17:49] ^me_^, yes [17:49] ^me_^: We were all noobs once. [17:49] Heck, nullboy is *still* a noob. [17:49] thumbs, i know [17:49] <^me_^> :p [17:49] jkwood: he is! [17:49] Nick change: ^me_^ -> me_ [17:49] so any issue about mouse wheel ? [17:50] ivis: I don't understand the question [17:50] try the guide again ivis [17:50] or try a different guide [17:50] ok i try [17:50] i have a 3 button scroll wheel [17:50] thanks for help [17:51] me_, and u fallow up that guide and all work? what version of slack do u have ? [17:51] i don't know what guide you're talking about [17:51] slack 12.0 [17:51] me_, http://slackwiki.org/Scroll_Wheel [17:51] Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [17:51] that will suffice to make the wheel work. [17:52] do all 5 buttons work? [17:52] thumbs, only one option add ? [17:52] that one will make the scroll wheel scroll [17:52] ok i try thanks [17:53] why yoda like you speak? [17:53] (I apologise if this is truly a language barrier) [17:53] this is point is to me? [17:53] ups [17:54] yes. [17:54] what is yoda's first language? [17:54] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ok what is yoda ? if u wana know what is my native language its latvian [17:55] Smart, Yoda is. Mmmm. [17:56] Wise. Maybe not smart. [17:56] lol [17:56] ok ivis [17:56] ivis: I was simply wondering if you were conversing backwards intentionally, or because English was not your native tongue [17:56] i have in front of me the linux bible 2008 [17:56] one sec [17:56] go to shell and type 'mouseconfig' [17:57] ivis: you don't know what yoda is? [17:57] would you rather have a Toyota or a toy yoda [17:57] ivis: in either case, I didn't mean to be condescending, or anything [17:57] mmlj4, nop [17:57] thumbs, ok :) [17:57] ivis: it's a character from Star Wars [17:57] ivis: did you see the movie Star Wars? Yoda is the little green Jedi, looks like a gnome [17:57] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:57] ivis: he speaks backwards all the time. [17:57] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:58] hi [17:58] ohh :D i know yoda i love star wars [17:58] did you do mouseconfig? [17:58] me_, not work [17:58] yoda? i never liked startreck [17:58] you're using slackware right? [17:59] me_, yes [17:59] Cann0n: communist [17:59] try mouse-test [17:59] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] also, try moving the mouse [17:59] mouse-config [17:59] sberla54 (n=sberla54@93-42-90-81.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Gone" [17:59] i tried it like 1 second ago [18:00] mouseconfig* [18:00] no hyphen [18:00] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] sberla54 (n=sberla54@93-42-90-81.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:00] whats the issue with the mouse? [18:00] me_, this is output from mouse-test http://rafb.net/p/ITCdWG28.html [18:01] rainly (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] rainly (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [18:01] 5 button scroll wheel Cann0n [18:02] no scroll [18:02] no devices found eh? does the pointer work? [18:02] what kind of mouse? [18:02] usb [18:02] rainly (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] please ivis [18:03] try mouseconfig again [18:03] it could solve all of your woes [18:03] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn25.91-127-9.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [18:03] me_, damn first time i run without superuser now it work [18:03] did you try Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [18:04] Cann0n, nop not yet but i get work mouse config [18:04] ivis: you weren't root the whole time? [18:04] mouseconfig...... [18:04] i suggest doing it the right way first dude [18:04] rainly (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] thumbs, when i edit a xorg.conf i do that with root [18:04] vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf [18:05] would you like to see my xorg setup? [18:05] SDFSDGF (n=LINUX@187-5-44-114.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:05] you didn't do zaxis mapping..... [18:05] Cann0n, yea please [18:05] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] http://pastebin.com/d10f8cb2c [18:05] me_, nop , just add one line option ? [18:06] rainly (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ... [18:06] he wants scroll? [18:06] ya [18:07] ivis, look at line 101 of Cann0n's pastebin [18:07] ... why wont ZAxis work? [18:07] copy that [18:07] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-13-189-155.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:07] he didn't try zaxis... [18:07] hmm i have different config whait i paste [18:07] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] on. nvm. misread the comment. :-D [18:07] I think we're hitting a language barrier with most of our responses [18:08] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-13-189-155.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:08] dont copy my entire xorg.conf [18:08] i dont want to... damage anything that isn't mine [18:08] ivis, can you pastebin your whole xorg.conf please [18:08] http://rafb.net/p/gMSbAF11.html [18:09] Cann0n, im not so stupid :D [18:09] Nick change: rainly -> rai [18:09] blah! i had that #bloat [18:09] Nick change: rai -> raii [18:10] wow... that xorg is... messy. [18:10] Nick change: raii -> RayMax [18:10] yea i know never had this before [18:10] under line 301 add the zaxis line [18:10] lol [18:10] nvidia-settings produced it, that's why [18:11] ok i try [18:11] do you know how to use vim or another CLI editor? [18:11] i prefer nano [18:11] me_ (n=me_@92.26.172.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] just checking. [18:11] just in case you cant get back into X... [18:12] ok thanks :) [18:12] when i started 9 years ago, that was my problem... so i started my first 6 months of linux without X :P stupid me [18:12] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [18:13] lol [18:13] ok i add under 301 line i need to restart x ? [18:13] yeah [18:13] ok [18:13] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] hmmm.... my font dpi doesnt match my monitor dpi [18:15] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] that'll make the fonts blurry [18:15] they are [18:16] lol. i never upgraded my fonts on 12.2 [18:16] good job. [18:16] Action: Cann0n bows [18:16] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:17] this work? im too lazy t test or google FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/96dpi/" [18:17] Then I'm too lazy to help you. [18:17] lol [18:18] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] RayMax (n=rainly@114-44-189-147.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [18:19] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] litle mees up and still don't work :) [18:21] not sure if it is a bug but if i switch from fvwm to Openbox and some apps i have open during the switch will become inaccessable, i see them in the app menu (middle click) but the window remains invisible/inaccessable [18:22] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:23] i hate math [18:24] me too, but math is a necessary evil [18:26] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Cann0n: for xorg.conf? yes also mkffontdir or whatever fontconfig uses nowadays [18:26] i'm doing it manually [18:27] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] its X/100x25.4 & Y/100x25.4 for dpi [18:28] i am using a 26 inch LCD HDTV for a monitor [18:29] i can be sitting across the room fiddling with my radios and the font is still big enough to read easily [18:29] lol [18:29] im on a 1200x800 wide screen [18:29] laptop [18:29] since i have wheels on my office chair it is no effort to roll up to the keyboard [18:30] i like my fonts visible from no more than 4 feet away [18:30] nice and crisp [18:30] i knew i forgot to tackle my fonts when i upgraded [18:31] brb [18:31] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] cubas (n=cub@84.19.45.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:32] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] cubas (n=cub@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [18:34] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Hello, what's the process to report a bug in slackware -current? [18:35] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) joined ##slackware. [18:36] http://imagebin.org/43495 My Desk [18:36] Finaly i got my mouse wheel working :) thanks to all supporters [18:36] P4C0: what is the bug ? just curiosity asking [18:37] goodboy leroy :D [18:37] P4C0: verify, then email pat.. volkerdi@slackware.com [18:38] Lord_Khelben: actully it is not really a bug, but I had to modify the dbus configuration to use bluetooth, and there was nothing about it in /etc/bluetooth/README.SLACKWARE [18:38] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [18:38] yeah, i noticed that also... it's present in 12.2 [18:38] or complain to rworkman [18:38] he loves bitching :> [18:38] dbus does not like the bluetooth [18:39] :) ok, i will try ;) thanks [18:39] "the squeeky gear gets the grease" - author unknown [18:39] P4C0: i use bluetooth, can you show us a patch ? [18:40] buttneck (i=1000@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [18:40] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:40] buttneck kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [18:40] P4C0: Does this let you use kdebluetooth4 by chance? [18:40] it's either specific to bluez or kbluetooth [18:40] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:40] jkwood: no [18:40] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [18:41] i think it's bluez [18:41] ivis (i=123@77.38.170.39) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] epaphus (n=unix3@ip90-133-122-200.ct.co.cr) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Hmm.. guys.. I cloned a hard disk in a remote server.. and now I dont know which hard disk is the new one... When i go to the BIOS and select the boot order I see two .. 3M-SAMSUNG , and 3S-SAMSUNG... does the 3M and 3S indicate which one is newer on the cpu? [18:42] "Thats why they call it the Bluez" - Elton John [18:42] can anyone access milw0rm.com ? [18:43] epaphus: use the serial numbers [18:43] phrag: nope, just blank page here [18:43] smartctl -a /dev/sdX [18:43] thrice`: aye same, thanks [18:43] nullboy: i just added: and to /etc/dbus-1/system.conf [18:43] phrag: i get a blank page [18:43] P4C0: thanks [18:43] jkwood: no, I didn't get kdebluetooth4... yet [18:43] nullboy, well how would that help? [18:43] Pig_Pen: thanks [18:43] epaphus: you don't know the serial numbers off your new disk? [18:44] nullboy: however not sure if that will represent any security issues or similar... there must be a better way to do it... but I know nothing about dbus [18:44] nullboy, no [18:44] abo (n=abo@rm-ddb-1ef24.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] jkwood: but works well with obexftp and gnokii [18:45] epaphus: is one of the disks actually new? [18:45] nullboy, should be, yes [18:45] epaphus: then you can still use smartctl. look at the power on hours [18:46] nullboy, even if i rebooted? [18:46] doesn't matter [18:46] oki [18:46] 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 552 [18:46] P4C0: hmm, is that for all or just bluez ? [18:46] phrag: just bluez [18:47] volkerdi@slackware.com [18:47] could you paste your system.conf somewhere please? [18:47] P4C0: K. That's a start, anyway. [18:47] lvsan (n=kvirc@189-47-240-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:48] phrag: sure, moment [18:48] Philadelphia (i=bono@118-168-237-107.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:49] othermindszine (n=othermin@127.sub-70-192-71.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] phrag: http://rafb.net/p/Dv7NjS94.html (the added lines are wrapped with my nick) [18:51] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Gizzmo (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [18:52] nullboy, no matter what boot priority i set.. the tag for each Hard disk would be either sd0 or sd1 .. right? unless i change the cables? 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[19:00] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:00] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [19:01] XGizzmo_: greetings html watchdog =) [19:01] Hi phrag [19:01] :) [19:02] gnubien (n=e@63.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:04] hi all, does anyone have linuxdcpp-1.0.3 compiled on slackware? [19:05] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] nille_ (i=1000@c-3062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Razec (n=razec@187-26-146-148.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] googles for linuxdcpp-1..0.3 ? [19:09] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:09] yes, but found only a google code for hacking with new functions, not to compile it with my error [19:09] yeah, not heard of that [19:10] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:10] GArik (n=wesnoth@80.246.84.163) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [19:10] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) left irc: [19:15] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) left irc: "bye bye" [19:18] M-tty (n=M-tty@166.188.195.215) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [19:18] but no one use the new version? [19:19] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-751.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:23] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] wtf [19:24] ftw [19:25] my 'ls' command after my machine has been running a while will not work in any directory or subdirectory of /home/ but is having no issues listing the contents of any other directory [19:25] it just hangs and ctrl+z or ctrl+c do not work when this happens [19:25] it's affecting thunar, too [19:25] dartmouth: does find still work in ~? [19:26] yes [19:26] do you have any strangely named files in ~ ? [19:26] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] i don't know because I can't ls lol [19:27] but i should'nt [19:27] lvsan (n=kvirc@189-47-240-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [19:27] AsteriTheikos (n=denis@unaffiliated/geekzen) joined ##slackware. [19:27] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:27] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] dartmouth: can you try to re chown and chmod that specific home directory recursively? [19:29] thats what im trying [19:29] yeah i think that's got something to do with it as im not getting the issue as root in that same dir [19:30] AsteriTheikos (n=denis@unaffiliated/geekzen) left ##slackware ("Quit"). [19:33] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [19:36] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] How can I disable showing of backup files on Linux? [19:37] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: [19:37] sh0ne: in what file manager? [19:37] The ones that vim creates? [19:38] personally i prefer to see everything, i want Linux completely nakid! :D [19:38] I think Konqueror.... [19:38] ls -B [19:39] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] man 1 ls [19:39] =P [19:39] vimtutor [19:39] oh konq? bleh [19:40] For example, when I edit test.c file on desktop, it creates test.c~ file...how can I make creation of that file invisible? [19:40] what if you hide all the backup files and eventually you get a bunch of old junk backup files hogging up disk space but since you hidden them you dont see them, and you need to free up some disk space [19:40] why do you edit the test.c ? with kwrite ? [19:40] you can tell kwrite to not create backup files [19:41] but as Pig_Pen said it wouldn't be wise to hide them from view [19:41] You can tell pretty much everything not to create backup files. [19:41] s/why/how [19:41] i meant how do you edit [19:42] Lord_Khelben: Thank you, but when I think again, the Pig_Pen is right :) Thank you both [19:43] i wonder if dartmouth fixed the ls issue [19:43] or... if you are tinkering with code, you make a change to some file and save it and later you see you made a mistake you wish to undo, that backup file will come in handy right about then [19:45] That's what git is for. [19:45] git the hell ooot! [19:45] what if you dont want to step backward that far because of some good modifications you already done [19:45] i was just about to say that hehe [19:47] nullboy: isn't the fact that ls froze weird ? (i speak about the issue dartmouth had) [19:47] yeah [19:47] it should have just said permission denied [19:47] That's what git cherry-pick is for. [19:47] that's why i thought it might be a filename issue [19:47] Git is actually very powerful when it comes to that kind of thing. [19:48] according to linus, i'm not smart enough or pretty enough to use git [19:48] that means jkwood is hawwt [19:48] git is nice [19:48] I think you'd be surprised. [19:48] lol [19:49] i like that when you follow a tree, you have the whole tree and can find any commit at any time [19:49] while with svn you must connect to the server each time [19:49] git is win [19:50] That, and svn will eat resources, especially disk i/o, like crazy. [19:50] Ayatolla (n=Ayatolla@hd5e25883.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. [19:50] nullboy: http://alumnit.ca/~apenwarr/log/?m=200901#21 [19:51] jkwood: omg [19:51] Ayatolla (n=Ayatolla@hd5e25883.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left ##slackware. [19:51] Ayatolla (n=Ayatolla@hd5e25883.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. [19:52] (00:51:41) * Now talking in ##slackware -- why does it show 2 #? [19:52] because this is a topical channel, not official [19:52] This isn't an "official" channel. [19:52] Mostly because it requires gobs of paperwork to become "official" on Freenode. [19:53] on which network is the official slackware chan? [19:53] there isn't one [19:53] this is the unofficial official one [19:53] Well, Pat blessed this one in person once. [19:53] He called it official. [19:53] well then i guess i'm right anyway [19:53] But, that's not good enough for the silly FN staff. [19:53] Ayatolla: you never took a position though! [19:53] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-206388.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [19:54] if Pat was the founder of it and not wigglit would it be considered official ? [19:54] Lord_Khelben: more than likely [19:54] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) joined ##slackware. [19:54] i'm not after any position [19:54] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] there he is. :) [19:56] dartmouth: did you fix it ? [19:56] hey so last night i was out at some club and there was a dude with a duffel bag full of cartons of cigarettes. he had a PDA looking data gathering tool that let him type in information and the unit also had a camera that we was using to take photos of the drivers licenses. people would give him their IDs, he'd type some code down and then take a picture of the ID and save it. then he'd give them boxes of cigarettes. [19:57] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:57] nullboy: I would've told him to piss off [19:57] i questioned him loads too [19:58] taking a picture of my license.. I think not chief [19:58] i never gave him any info though. i was blown away at how many people did it [19:58] idiots [19:58] what the hell was he doing there? [19:58] the place was even allowing it too [19:58] that's messed up [19:58] Identity theft. [19:58] sounds like a good way to have your identify stolen [19:58] i talked to him for a while to try to figure out his game too [19:58] yep [19:58] Lord_Khelben: it's a memory thing, it's gotta be [19:58] Unless you have Life Lock lol [19:59] his story was that he was a rep for $CIG_COMPANY and that he was giving out test versions of some new cigs [19:59] riiiiight [19:59] yeah [19:59] credentials? [19:59] seriouesly [19:59] he had nothing [19:59] not even in a suit [19:59] uh huh [20:00] Should've said "So... if I call the cops and state there's an identify theft scam running here.. you won't be going off in handcuffs?" [20:00] See what his reaction was hehe [20:00] you'll read in the news in some days about credit cards stolen or money transferred or something :) [20:00] aye [20:00] Lord_Khelben: lmao yeah [20:00] "I can't believe it.. all he did was take a pic of my license and give me a carton of cigs!" [20:01] 90% of the people in there did it too [20:01] i watched it for like 30 mins [20:01] nullboy: So how many cigarettes did you take him for? [20:01] yeah right [20:01] I mean, you had your tinfoil hat to protect you, right? [20:01] And 12 fake ids? [20:01] if nothing else, didn't anybody wonder why the "test versions of new cigs" are identical to the ones that are in the market ? [20:01] #1 i don't smoke #2 pic of my license? wtf [20:02] "by taking cigs., you agree to join the US military" [20:02] lol [20:02] i don't even have my license with me on clubs unless i drive a vehicle [20:03] Various (n=Various@75-121-17-178.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] offer a room full of drunk smokers 2 packs of cigs for a pic of their license... [20:04] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Nick change: Ayatolla -> Ayatolla|afk [20:06] awe screw it: he was handing out these and said he worked for Camel: http://tobaccoproducts.org/index.php/Camel_Crush [20:07] running under tcpserver, how would you stop connections sitting idle using the default limit of 40, so no other connections are allowed? [20:07] Nick change: SDFSDGF -> j0z [20:07] http://www.hoodeh.se/Camel.txt [20:08] lol [20:09] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] =D [20:11] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [20:12] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [20:13] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:14] inspiron630 (i=80bb00b2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4f3310e080bf697b) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] cubas (n=cub@84.19.44.65) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:18] M-tty (n=M-tty@166.188.195.215) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:20] JowDun (n=paulo@189.103.19.84) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] comp__ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:23] cubas (n=cub@84.19.45.254) joined ##slackware. [20:24] guys.. if Iam trying to mount a partition in single user mode.. and it refuses to mount as rw only r only... and suggests doing a fsck on it.. and even after fscking it still refuses to mount as rw .. what could that mean? anything to do? [20:24] is that the only partition on that particular disk? [20:25] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [20:27] bananagun (n=bananagu@adsl-220-230-251.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: [20:27] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Ayat0lla|afk (n=Ayatolla@hd5e25883.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. [20:29] http://pastebin.ca/1375262 [20:30] cHiOs (n=chio@CPE-65-29-166-235.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-751.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "yeah!" [20:33] me_ (n=me_@92.24.68.115) joined ##slackware. [20:36] koojoo (n=zerafuze@74.13.62.15) left irc: Success [20:38] me__ (n=me_@78.151.82.98) joined ##slackware. [20:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:40] D-r_Flower: did you write: Text.cpp ? [20:40] no [20:40] it is the eroor i got form the compilation of linuxdcpp-1.0.3 [20:40] ^me_^ (n=me_@78.146.194.146) joined ##slackware. [20:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [20:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:42] <^me_^> anybody want to hear a non slackware problem? [20:42] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [20:44] a meta question about an off topic question, dang [20:44] <^me_^> what a rebel eh? [20:45] <^me_^> it goes thusly, i try to ftp into my godaddy hosted account [20:45] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp13292.salley.fsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:45] <^me_^> it works but i can upload 1, maybe 2 files before i get disconnected [20:45] <^me_^> i bought a new router and tried a different webhost [20:46] <^me_^> same problem [20:46] <^me_^> anybody heard of ISP's limiting ftp? [20:46] sure [20:46] <^me_^> really?? [20:46] <^me_^> why? [20:46] ... [20:47] <^me_^> i mean my ISP not godaddy [20:47] ^me_^, the problem is that FTP sucks balls. Use something else. [20:48] it's not unheard of for and ISP to block/hamper ftp for non-business accounts though [20:48] and/an [20:48] <^me_^> something else like what? [20:48] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [20:48] <^me_^> i can ssh into the account [20:49] <^me_^> can i ssh numerous files into the server? [20:49] no but you can scp them [20:49] ^me_^, have you tried setting the FTP on a non-standard port? [20:49] DeiBellum: it's not being blocked, it's being hampered it seems [20:49] ah [20:49] <^me_^> plus i have no control over what port the server uses [20:50] try scp [20:50] well why not do ssh-ftp? [20:50] use a secure shell to up/down the files that you need. [20:50] Ayatolla|afk (n=Ayatolla@hd5e25883.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left irc: No route to host [20:50] <^me_^> don't know what scp is [20:51] <^me_^> i have ssh2 on gftp but it won't work [20:51] if you can ssh to the server you should be able to scp to it [20:51] not the idea i was talking about [20:51] man scp [20:51] <^me_^> i have thousands of files [20:51] so? [20:51] <^me_^> i can't be using PUT or snything one at a time [20:51] tar them up [20:51] god. [20:51] forget it [20:52] <^me_^> i don't think i can untar them on the server [20:52] <^me_^> or... [20:52] hehe, for fun i think someone should up something that is RSA 4096 bit =P [20:52] <^me_^> i could do that over ssh [20:52] then try to watch someone crack it [20:53] you don't need to tar them up though [20:53] you can scp whatever you want [20:53] <^me_^> i shall research this scp [20:53] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [20:53] <^me_^> thanks [20:53] scp *? [20:53] me_ (n=me_@92.24.68.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] or scp the top dir of whatever you need to copy [20:54] seriously, it's just like cp over ssh... [20:54] <^me_^> coolies [20:54] Action: nullboy shoots himself [20:54] <^me_^> that would be soo much easier [20:54] you could ssh into it, setup a http server on your machine, and download the files from there using wget :P [20:55] how ab out you just write your own network file transfer program too? hell might as well write a whole library yourself [20:55] don't do it the easy way [20:55] damn slackers talking blasphemy in here [20:55] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] <^me_^> gbonvehi, i was on the verge of going down a similar route [20:56] nullboy: did you try the other ath5k chipset? [20:56] <^me_^> and that is no joke [20:56] chopp: compiling a kerenl on my AP right now [20:56] me__ (n=me_@78.151.82.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009024225.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:57] chopp: this one is: 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) [20:57] i hope it works [20:57] hmm [20:58] the AR24XX seems to work fine [20:58] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:58] nullboy: according to linuxwireless, it should work too. [20:59] chopp: that table is a bit dated though, i've had problems with the AR54XX chipsets before [20:59] nullboy: and I can now make kernel patches. ;) [20:59] they cause the whole system to pause randomly, latency goes up to 200MS [20:59] haha [20:59] patch and diff ftw [20:59] for sure [20:59] i had to use a depreciated driver to get an AR24XX card to work the other day [21:00] nullboy, are you trying the 2.6.29 kernel? [21:00] ath5k seems to support my AR24 just fine [21:00] DeiBellum: i am using it [21:00] i've been using 2.6.29 on my laptop since it went stable and now i'm setting up an AP with it [21:00] ath5k works great with both my AR2412's [21:00] nullboy, ok, thanks, I am about to upgrade my laptop to it because it runs Atheros and Broadcom. I know that they made a bunch of changes with the ATh5k stack [21:01] just wanted to make sure that there were no serious problems :) [21:01] tuz ftw [21:01] lol [21:01] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [21:01] he needs to lose weight though [21:03] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] and needs to get a smaller string for his "beak" [21:03] raeg_ (n=raeg@adsl-66-142-223-96.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] that too. when I first fired up 2.6.29 I was like wtf! [21:04] hi, im installing slackware 12.2 from my hard-drive, got the files copied, but im having trouble editing my grub.conf [21:05] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [21:05] i didn't read anything but it looks like we're pasting our wireless devices? [21:05] 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) [21:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.12) left ##slackware. [21:05] two points for me :D [21:05] ... [21:06] DeiBellum, thank me later [21:06] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [21:06] hiptobecubic, lol ok [21:07] TheBig (n=TheBig@host35-191-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] ive copied the slackware dvd iso to /dev/sda4 but i need a sample grub.conf to use [21:07] or something [21:10] not the iso itself, just the files extracted [21:11] shouldn't installing the grub .tgz file provide you with a basic config file you can edit? [21:11] hiptobecubic: does that one support AP mode? [21:11] DaZ (n=root@dtg99.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] didnt know about that, lemme check [21:12] Dominian, i believe so, although i'm not sure, i don't remember if i tried it on this one or my last one. [21:12] ahhh ok [21:12] it takes ages to compile a kernel on this celeron 500 [21:13] where do i find grub.tgz [21:13] just out of curiosity, does anyone have a .Slackbuild for Kalgebra 0.5? [21:13] raeg_, 1 sec [21:13] k [21:13] Various (n=Various@75-121-17-178.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] im on sabayon 4.1 btw [21:14] DaZ (n=root@dsb195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:14] eh [21:14] raeg_, ??? [21:14] the so-called slackware-based [21:14] gentoo* [21:15] raeg_: so why are you asking us? [21:15] ah [21:15] well, if you want grub for slackware it is in the /extra/grub folder of the install CD [21:15] ok [21:15] however I think you are in the wrong channel [21:15] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5A7F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [21:15] try #gentoo [21:16] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] dont think they'd be happy knowing im defecting to slackware [21:16] :) [21:16] but...you aren't running slackware [21:16] me__ (n=me_@89.242.152.18) joined ##slackware. [21:16] and *we're* not happy about *that* [21:16] well unfortunately if you are not running slackware we cannot help you [21:17] tie him up [21:17] Action: DeiBellum ties up raeg_ [21:17] pfft [21:17] got him [21:17] screw that [21:17] lol [21:17] Action: Dominian gets a bazooka [21:17] Action: DeiBellum backs away [21:17] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:17] :) [21:17] all clear [21:17] yo [21:17] Dominian, do it [21:17] BACK BLAST AREA CLEAR! [21:17] Action: Dominian fires! [21:18] nice shot [21:18] you shot marvin in the face [21:18] hrm... [21:18] Action: Dominian had it backwards.... [21:18] shit.. [21:18] quick question... startx --dpi 100 seems to put mu in 96dpi according to xdpyinfo [21:19] so, i set the xorg.conf right... is there some kungfu master trick? [21:19] Cann0n, i think you get the choice of either 96dpi or 120 [21:19] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [21:19] but why are there 100dpi fonts? [21:19] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] raeg_ (n=raeg@adsl-66-142-223-96.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:19] no clue, font dpi is not really my area of specialty [21:20] well Dominian you scared him off at least [21:20] its almost as if the dpi settings in my xorg arent being set [21:20] hah [21:21] Cann0n, try setting it to 120 and if the same thing happens then we can rule out the theory of one or the other [21:21] me_ (n=me_@89.240.39.117) joined ##slackware. [21:21] theory of the dpi having to be one or the other* [21:21] ... you dont get it. it wont set [21:21] ah [21:21] :P [21:21] hmmm [21:22] have you tried setting the FontPath? [21:22] in your xorg.conf [21:23] its 1200x800. so its 1200/100*25.4 800/100*25.4 [21:23] ls [21:23] whoop [21:23] eh lemme check. [21:24] FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" [21:24] try changing that to FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" maybe? [21:24] Various (n=Various@75-121-17-178.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] both of them? [21:25] ? [21:25] I only have FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" [21:25] hold on.... 3rd click fails in urxvt [21:25] i don't have the 100dpi one in my xorg.conf [21:26] i do [21:26] i have both [21:26] hmm [21:26] 75 and 100 [21:26] i should probably add that second one to mine then [21:26] lemme past bin my xorg [21:26] k [21:27] http://pastebin.com/d60ad3143 [21:28] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.15.161) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] but xdpyinfo shows 338x211mm instead of 302.8x203.2 [21:29] honestly i have no clue [21:30] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [21:31] me too lol [21:32] should never have tried to upgrade to 12.2... [21:32] had to fresh install and lost my sweet font setup [21:33] ^me_^ (n=me_@78.146.194.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] ouch [21:33] can cfdisk change the properties of one partition on a hard drive without clearing the whole drive? [21:34] yeah as long as its the same size [21:34] what do you mean by properties? [21:34] Cann0n, are you using compiz? [21:35] hells no [21:35] fluxbox [21:35] I need to make a second partition bootable.. [21:35] ah ok [21:35] then you should be fine\ [21:36] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:36] hey Cann0n do you use --dpi or -dpi? [21:36] -- [21:37] try using just one - [21:37] so -dpi [21:37] do i need =100 or just 100 [21:37] me__ (n=me_@89.242.152.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] just -dpi 100 [21:37] normally its --dpi iirc but i'll try i [21:37] can you have multiple bootable partitions on one drive? [21:37] i need to get on irssi anyways [21:37] brb [21:37] mmk [21:37] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:38] i know it says dos cant handle it.. [21:40] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:41] its startx -- -dpi 100 [21:41] aha [21:41] also check this site out [21:41] http://scanline.ca/dpi/ [21:41] it has some good things for DPI [21:42] redscare (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] thanks [21:43] I've set up my wireless to the point that I can get an ip from my router using dhcpcd, but I cannot ping anything; neither external addresses like google or even my own router's ip. can someone help please? [21:43] so i'll have to alias startx with startx -- -dpi 100 huh [21:43] because it's not setting in my xorg [21:43] redscare: cat /etc/resolv.conf make sure it contains your gateway address [21:44] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:44] should still be able to ping the router (without dns), assuming it responds [21:44] try ping 200.51.203.230 [21:45] it should answer [21:45] /etc/resolv.conf doesn't exist [21:45] Cann0n, try this... [21:46] bleh... i gotta go get my phone.... (half a mile walk one way) [21:46] redscare: touch /etc/resolv.conf; echo "nameserver " >> /etc/resolv.conf [21:46] Cann0n: lol, is it ringing ? :P [21:46] In /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc , change 'exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp' to 'exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp -dpi 100' [21:47] no, worst... expecting a call from a female and its low battery... hence why i left it in my shoes under the seat [21:47] alright, i'm about to disconnect [21:47] echo should create it without the touch [21:47] i'll be right back, thanks [21:47] DeiBellum, k [21:48] DeiBellum, dont have that file [21:48] xinitrc and xinitrc.fluxbox [21:49] lemme test something... and grab phone. brb [21:49] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] redscare (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [21:50] willbert (n=willbert@cpc2-glen3-0-0-cust508.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Nick change: UdontKnow -> ObiWanQueNoob [21:58] JowDun (n=paulo@189.103.19.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) left irc: "shleeeeeeeeeeeeep" [22:02] othermindszine (n=othermin@127.sub-70-192-71.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] cubas (n=cub@84.19.45.254) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:05] DeiBellum, i just aliased startx with the -- -dpi 100 tacked to it [22:05] quick and dirty [22:06] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Cann0n, it works? [22:06] does now [22:06] nice [22:06] redscare (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hello? I just reconnected [22:07] glad to hear it got solved [22:07] my fonts are slightly larger... but very crisp and clean [22:07] hi [22:07] trhough ethernet [22:07] Various (n=Various@75-121-17-178.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] the wifi still isnt' working [22:07] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] redscare, use wicd? [22:07] i'm not aware of that command? [22:08] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.170.99.34) joined ##slackware. [22:08] epaphus (n=unix3@ip90-133-122-200.ct.co.cr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] who wants to clean out my laptop? its running at 79C :X [22:08] there is nothing wrong with the stock netwokring scripts though [22:08] yeah, but wicd is a pretty good... lazy alternative [22:09] the way I connected to wifi was to load the iwl4965 module for my card, do iwconfig wlan0 essid "****" key *** [22:09] i had issues with wpa_supplicant at this hotel. it has 6 APs all named the same [22:09] it's a wep key [22:09] DaZ (n=root@dsb195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp13292.salley.fsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] and then I did dhcpcd wlan0 [22:09] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [22:09] someone turn on the ac, Cann0n's laptop is heating up the joint. [22:10] i like wicd :P [22:11] chopp, i had to do some voodoo with cron to make sure it doesnt over heat [22:11] 82C is as hot as it will get before the smell starts bothering me :P [22:12] what temp does it shutdown? [22:12] Cann0n: all 6 aps named the same make it work just fine [22:12] dunno... but it starts to smoke at 82 lol [22:12] Cann0n: it was probably a configuration issue on your end. you can change the roaming aggressiveness. [22:13] nullboy, hmm... i must have my configs messy [22:13] Action: chopp makes a note to never allow Cann0n near his laptop [22:13] yeah lol you helped me with this before :P [22:13] chopp, awwww man... i was just gonna give it spyware or what ever the big rage is in the micro$oft world [22:14] redscare` (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] if dhcpcd successfuly gets me an ip address what could the problem be? [22:16] please can I have some help on this? [22:17] redscare` (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [22:18] Action: Cann0n lets wicd handle all that crap [22:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.46.41) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [22:19] wicd does an alright job [22:19] just another wep kid [22:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:21] Is there a way to change the 'shell' in sftp? I really miss tab completion :3 [22:22] i think sshfs uses sftp.. and allows you to treat it like a regular mount [22:22] i.e. your own file handling programs [22:22] kinky [22:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel. :) [22:25] hi Old_Fogie:) [22:25] Action: NaCl waves at Old_Fogie [22:25] :) [22:25] hi' [22:25] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] What's new in /dev/Slackware [22:25] kamaji: Try lftp fish://youruser@remoteserver [22:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [22:27] Action: Cann0n tackles Old_Fogie with a keg of home-brewed [22:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] redscare (n=user@ool-43565c45.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] Cann0n, hee hee, drinking tonight are we? :) [22:27] what's the l in lftp? [22:27] jkwood: fish:// ? [22:28] Yep. [22:28] fish = FIles over SHell [22:28] Works like a dream here, and lftp is a nice client. [22:28] nah, im still feeling the warm sake hang over i had this morning [22:28] :P [22:28] fish != sftp then? [22:28] (this is not a problem) [22:28] It's either sftp or scp. [22:29] Action: NaCl was about to ask about that [22:29] So, it's encrypted and uses your sshd. [22:29] Cann0n, aha I see. I have a tylenol sinus buzz going. Take one, makes me feel all dopey. Darn allergies, can't wait til' next month, they usually are gone by then. [22:29] works like a charm [22:29] thanks [22:29] might as well use sshfs [22:29] M-tty (n=M-tty@32.170.99.34) left irc: "used jmIrc" [22:30] tee hee [22:30] Old_Fogie: go get some of the DXM cough syrup [22:30] that stuff will make you trip balls [22:30] gewt (n=roflfail@you.need.to.stfu-kthx.net) left ##slackware ("[|?|] <--> [|?|]"). [22:30] nullboy: I have it installed too [22:30] mmm sounds good [22:30] im on the beach in a hotel with my parents... and a massive storm is creeping towards up [22:30] it's pretty nifty :D [22:30] nullboy, oh yea? hmm, wonder what it is that does it in ther. [22:30] but lftp is nice for a more 'traditional' approach if that makes sense [22:31] Old_Fogie: anything with Dextromethorphan [22:31] ah ok [22:31] Old_Fogie: TrIpPiNg BaLlZ [22:31] nyquil has it [22:31] yeah, I hate allergies, mess ya all up for a good month around these here parts [22:31] the pm stuff [22:32] the best is taking DXM cough syrup on top of a fever [22:32] then you pretty much leave earth [22:32] :) [22:32] http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A2090/20906/300_20906.jpg [22:33] i got that tattooed on my rib cage [22:33] either that or you just have a full out psychotic episode, but either case is worth it [22:33] alienBOB, ping? [22:33] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:33] my kernel is still building dang [22:33] it's been hours [22:33] 'hours' ? <---thought I was the only one with that issue [22:34] it's a classic celeron 500, will work perfect for an AP/router/gateway but compiling sucks [22:34] ah, I see [22:34] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [22:34] don't have another box around to build on, and bring that kernel over to it? [22:35] i suppose i could use the P4 system [22:35] yeah that's what I do, plus use ccache, helps on many things in the kernel, but not all if you make a bunch of changes. [22:36] the only reason i'm rebuilding anyway is for a patch i had to apply [22:36] like, a simple thing like saying "built in fonts 16x16" build...then rebuild without...that'll take forever. [22:36] no benefit for ccache then. [22:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleepytimes" [22:36] it's odd how ccache works for kernels, but oh well I use it anyway. [22:36] nullboy, oh a patch? you on debian (/me chuckles :) [22:37] lol [22:37] a wifi patch for 2.6.29 [22:37] oh? which chipset/driver? [22:37] it's for all of the wifi stack [22:37] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.86) joined ##slackware. [22:37] enables master mode [22:37] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-172.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] well, ath5k specifically [22:38] bleh... did they get 3rd gen Motorola RZRs working yet? [22:38] hey everyone [22:38] nullboy, aha I see. I'm about to play with acx wireless, but seeing how it doesnt do wpa, I may toss this thing in trash. [22:38] under linux [22:38] nullboy, yea I have 15 ath5k here :) [22:38] Cann0n: cdma or gsm? [22:38] nullboy, well about half are madwifi tho at this time. [22:38] Old_Fogie: madwifi does the stuck beacon error for me [22:38] and i hate that crap [22:39] I dont know what that is to be honest. [22:39] it only applies ot madwifi in AP mode [22:39] no client mode [22:39] gsm [22:39] I'm using madwif-hal (from alienbob's scripts) but made them into my debian build script using wext. They work really well. [22:39] the ath5k one's are slack boxen, the others at this time are debian [22:40] eventually ath5k will be really good [22:40] yeah, no lights for the wifi cards (pcmcia) or built in [22:40] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:40] hopefully the ath5k will get that going soon [22:40] the lights on mine work though [22:40] they've always worked [22:40] but, the madwifi seems to work well enuff. [22:41] nullboy, it's probably cuz it's on the acer aspire one netbooks. [22:41] ? [22:41] yeah probably [22:41] the ath5k seems to have blinken lights for the pcmcia wg511t cards [22:41] my dell laptop uses intel 3945 and the leds work there too [22:41] well, it's the intel an ath chip? [22:41] no it's 3945 [22:42] Yeah I never dealt with intel wireless [22:42] but my pccard atheros leds work [22:42] yea same here [22:42] minicpi works too [22:42] minipci* [22:42] I just saw them used on an auction site, for like 20 bux, may get another one just in case [22:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [22:43] but other than atheros, there really isn't any other pcmcia card thats linux compatible right? [22:43] i've purposely only used atheros pc cards lol [22:43] my rtl8187 USB card is good too [22:43] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] yeah same here, I came to slack early on, and since alienbobo had scripts, I bought the card :) [22:43] *bob [22:44] :) [22:44] i actually really like the rt8187, only thing it can't ever do is AP mode [22:44] but it will inject just fine [22:44] jar_corefile (n=jar_corf@76.210.68.106) joined ##slackware. [22:44] i first heard of slackware in 1995 but did not try it until much later [22:44] rtl8187 ? any particular manufacturer you like? [22:44] how can i check the md5 sum of an .iso quick? [22:45] someone in the EE department recommended it to students because they were unsatisfied with the stability of win3.1 [22:45] Old_Fogie: mine was an Alfa: like thisw http://www.osgroupinc.com/support/images/awus036e.jpg [22:45] Cotowar, do you have the number it's supposed to be [22:45] i have the .md5 file yea [22:45] jawsh569_ (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-67-231.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] wow a usb nic w/ attachable antenna [22:45] me_ (n=me_@89.240.39.117) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:45] Old_Fogie: it's a great chipset because it is high power and supported by the kernel / mac80211 [22:45] nullboy, holy antenna batman! [22:45] pi31415: yeah it rocks [22:45] that's like a phalic symbol there :) [22:45] lol [22:46] /spelling [22:46] yeah but it probably gets good reception tho [22:46] it works great with wpa_supplicant using wext [22:46] me_ (n=me_@89.240.39.117) joined ##slackware. [22:46] kickass little USB card [22:46] I just got wicd to work on hidden access point today with wext on the madwifi, pretty happy with that. [22:47] some reason, I cant get wicd to do anything with the scripts button, so gotta see what I built wrong on that. using wicd for 12.1 so dunno, maybe I built it wrong. [22:47] i don't use wicd anymore [22:48] well, I'm putting it on for the noob/family users [22:48] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009024225.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [22:48] i gave it a shot for a month but went back to using the stock scripts and the integrated wpa_supplicant.conf support [22:48] and for my son who coffee shops it alot [22:48] considering it's a python script, I think it's near impossible to build wrong [22:48] thrice`, is that so? ok [22:48] hmmm. wonder why oh well its in the queee :) [22:49] yep, one that sees /etc/slackware-version no less, and does everything else automtically basically ;) [22:49] what does it mean if my checksum doesnt match? [22:49] just curious? [22:49] I'm trying to set it up for a dhcp firewall script, and a fix ip on lan firewall script [22:49] Cotowar: you have a messed up iso [22:49] it means you shoudln't use whatever you're trying to use [22:49] poop [22:49] don't burn it, redownload [22:50] i swear, everything but nuclear war is preventing me from installing this OS... [22:50] use bittorrent to fix it [22:52] Cotowar, what os, Slackware? [22:52] yea [22:52] thrice`, nullboy any recommendation for integrating wicd with a firewall script for dhcp if at a coffee shop, and fix ip at on lan ? do you guys have any thoughst on what might serve bestest :) [22:52] pebkac [22:52] ive gotten it 4 different ways and none have worked. [22:52] Old_Fogie: not really from me, i like the stock scripts [22:52] ok [22:52] subscriptions are so nice instead of d/l - unless you get a bum cd. I had 1 bad cd in the last 6 years of my subscription [22:53] antler: ping [22:53] sup yall [22:53] Cotowar: use bittorrent to finish the iso [22:53] Action: Cotowar waves at agentc0re [22:53] Old_Fogie: no clear, I too use rc.inet1.conf typically [22:53] thrice`, i used vuze to get it in the first place [22:53] thrice`, ok [22:54] Cotowar: vuze reported it finishing successfully ? [22:54] its messed up, and i got it off the slackware site. now its saying i cant open the .md5 for disk 3 [22:54] and yea, vuze reported it fine. [22:54] just run md5sum on it [22:55] i did, it pulls up a big number, but doesnt tell me if its the right one or not [22:55] lol [22:55] I don't think slackware is for you [22:55] yeah dude [22:55] i can do it :) [22:55] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2-iso/ [22:56] those are the md5's you should get [22:56] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [22:56] me_ (n=me_@89.240.39.117) left irc: "me_em" [22:56] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2-iso/ [22:56] DAMN IT [22:56] :> [22:56] http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/Cost_of_Oil [22:57] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:57] Cann0n: so you're on a hotel network. have you completely re-routed it yet? [22:57] lol [22:58] nullboy: have you tried virtualbox with 2.6.29? [22:58] lol nah... i'm taking it easy. i havent even spoofed by mac [22:58] chopp: i use KVM [22:58] ahh right [22:58] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-76-7.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] have not researched it yet, but I get: Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SYMBOL_NOT_FOUND). [22:59] Cann0n, try one of these out! http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/etherkiller.jpg [23:00] sa-WHEAT! [23:00] lol [23:00] ive always wanted to do that in a public place, but ive never had the guts [23:00] thats what i call fire wire [23:01] lol [23:01] agentc0re: hey [23:01] im not sure if that would be a good idea or not... but ive built old school busy boxes back in the day [23:02] DaZ (n=root@dti86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:03] what's a busy box? [23:03] cut off the RJ-11s thumb tab and inject in with some flux or something... pop that baby anywhere on a phone system... [23:04] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-208-111-237-227-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] short the lines? [23:04] nah [23:04] just keeps the lines "tied" [23:04] lol [23:04] silence [23:04] why cut off tht ethume tab [23:05] cause no one will notice it [23:06] i'm not sure i'm picturing this properly [23:06] Action: hiptobecubic googles... [23:06] if you cut the tab, you can get to the little wires in the cable. that means you can mess with the signal without anyone noticing when the tip is fully inserted in the jack [23:07] you know the tab that you press on a phone or ethernet cord? [23:07] DaZ (n=root@dti86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("."). [23:07] cut the tip off so it locks into place [23:07] just cross all the wires [23:07] Circumcision? [23:07] jkwood, only with blunt objects [23:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] i did something similar to my roommate who set his alarm when he left just to piss me off [23:12] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:12] i never did call that girl [23:13] Cotowar: circumsision with blunt instrument or the rj11 thing? [23:13] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Felipe_Historia (n=quassel@189.4.110.168) joined ##slackware. [23:21] i didnt say it, but yes, basically thats the idea [23:21] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] is it possible to get your books re-bound anywhere? [23:22] stinkfoot (i=1000@99.29.184.153) joined ##slackware. [23:23] how do I disable 37/tcp open time 53/tcp open domain 113/tcp open auth 6000/tcp open X11 [23:23] 53 is dns [23:23] can i close those up? [23:23] 113 is identd [23:23] well are you running DNS? [23:23] how would i know [23:24] identd you have to comment out in /etc/inetd.conf [23:24] ok [23:24] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:24] ls -al /etc/rc.d/rc.bind [23:24] ill do that one firstr [23:24] Felipe_Historia (n=quassel@189.4.110.168) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [23:24] see if its +x [23:24] 37 is the time server.. and i believe you can comment that out in inetd.conf as well [23:25] 6000 is an X session.. when you startx.. do: startx -- -nolisten tcp [23:25] ok [23:25] time and auth are taken care of [23:25] epoch@darkstar:~$ ls -al /etc/rc.d/rc.bind [23:25] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4370 2007-06-08 01:02 /etc/rc.d/rc.bind [23:25] dont know where we were goin with that one [23:26] stinkfoot: http://slackwiki.org/Basic_Security_Fixes [23:26] ty [23:27] so i made a giant mistake and installed stumbleupon... [23:27] what's that? [23:27] app for firefox, that wastes your life [23:28] i cant stop... [23:28] oh haha, yeah there's some good ones. played with songbird? that'll kill some time too. [23:28] I waste a lot of time on typeracer [23:28] yea, check this beasty out [23:28] www.breathingearth.net/ [23:28] shisen-sho here I like that [23:28] Action: Cotowar high fives Old_Fogie [23:29] i love that game [23:29] I have no idea what the tiles are saying on them "screw you fogie" or what, but it's a good game for sure. [23:29] I'm too slow at that game, takes me almost 2 hours to finish. [23:29] there was a site i found where you type the alphabet as fast as you can... i got it down to three seconds and quit. saw a youtube of someone do it in 2 though [23:29] the family, man they can get it in 20 min [23:30] yea, it usually takes me like an hour, but i do the HUGE map, and i do gravity [23:30] my brain's just not wired for them type of games, but I like them. [23:30] yea gravity for sure, yup I like that [23:30] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.116) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] sudoku too, I just started playing that one [23:31] i like that game, and i do sudoku on the hardest level. those usually take me like an hour or so as well. [23:31] i like that gome [23:31] game* [23:31] does anyone play anagramarama? [23:31] yeah I'm still on baby level with sudoku [23:31] i do the hard ones that come in the news paper [23:32] what is this "news paper" you speak of ? [23:32] :D [23:32] Dominian, within the /usr/bin/startx file... could I add --nolisten tcp into one of these clientargs="" serverargs="" [23:32] i even have a board game of sudoku with wooden numbers and a timer. [23:32] thats awesome ^ [23:32] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [23:33] stinkfoot, make an alias it's probably easier (or a global alias if you like) so it won't be clobbered on an X update and you forget to go and modify that file startx later on [23:33] how would i do that? [23:34] i just did a fresh full install of slackware 12.2 do I need to do anything special before running slackpkg to upgrade everything? [23:34] stinkfoot: yeah that'll work.. just as the wiki works [23:34] the population of pakistan is approximately 176 million. who knew? [23:34] alias gitrdun='startx --nolisten tcp' into ~/.bashrc ? [23:34] ok Dominian [23:34] stinkfoot, it can also be done in kde's kdm in /etc/kde/kdmrc file as well (you can turn off listen) . gdm has it too. I can't find out how to get it to work for 'slim' if you use that. [23:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] i had no idea that THAT many people lived there, but i guess since its so close to india there are probably a lot of immigrants and whatnot [23:35] vinnie_: Uncomment a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [23:35] testing it [23:35] stinkfoot (i=1000@99.29.184.153) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] jkwood: thanks... should I have the nvidia driver and nvidia kernel module installed before running slackpkg? [23:36] anyone want a quick chuckle? [23:36] vinnie_: It won't hurt to. You'll need to reinstall it if you upgrade the kernel, though. [23:37] (In other words, don't install it if you haven't already.) [23:37] ok [23:38] jkwood: btw, whats the command i need to run after installing the nvidia stuff? [23:38] taquito__ (n=rich@75.40.190.90) joined ##slackware. [23:39] the installer will ask whether or not you want to let it run 'nvidia-xconfig' [23:40] if yes, the existing xorg.conf is overwritten [23:40] antler: so i shouldnt use the drivers in slackpackages.org? download from nvidia? [23:41] vinnie_: i'm not sure what slackpackages.org is, i've never been there, but, yeah, i grab the script from nvidia [23:42] hi, maybe anyone here has installed a canon pixma mp130? [23:42] ok...ic. one more quick question before i go upgrading. Am i correct to run slackpkg update, then slackpkg upgrade-all ? [23:42] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [23:42] update gpg, update, then upgrade-all, yess. [23:42] jkwood: cool... thanx [23:43] No problem. [23:44] slackpkg by itself gives very helpful help. 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KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [23:53] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] agentc0re: i think i remember it successfully compiling once (for me) in slamd64, but running it was a problem then. again, i don't recall the error message. [23:56] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-108-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] antler: You're not using slamd64? [23:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:57] agentc0re: i'm in slackware atm, but slamd64 is just a reboot away. [23:59] antler: Oh, i thought you were trying to compile it for slamd64. Sorry to confuse things. [23:59] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Sun Mar 29 2009