[00:00] or was. i'll fix my toolchain tomorrow. [00:00] Training as in military? [00:00] ut: i usually use slackbuilds [00:00] I just never understood why it's put that way. [00:00] ok slackbuild is a repostitory of softwares? [00:00] riza: yeah [00:00] src2pkg is a handy util. for simple installs [00:00] DareDevil0: not exactly [00:00] it does complex ones, but at that rate, hand packaging is as simple [00:00] so what is slackbuild and what can i download from slackbuild? [00:00] http://slackbuilds.org [00:00] i am getting crazy hahahaha [00:00] riza, there's a correlation. you exercise intensely, and it's very uncomfortable, and you get stronger. [00:01] i am pretty lost handling slackware [00:01] I know. [00:01] <:) [00:01] i mean using debian was easier now i am starting to know that i don't know nothing about linux [00:01] DareDevil0: a slackbuild archive is a set of files in an archive designed to build and package source [00:02] i figured you did. i mean that's where the saying comes from, and it more or less makes sense. [00:02] ut: right, it does make some sense...but when one is injured beyond a certain point, it no longer rings true [00:02] debian delayed my linux learning [00:02] s4lv4d0r (0@201.209.138.131) joined ##slackware. [00:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:03] s4lv4d0r kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [00:03] it doesn't really make sense at all for injuries. [00:03] jewbacca, ok and how do i know which softwares have slackbuilds? [00:03] heheh [00:03] chown riza:users /media/truecrypt3 <--- tells me op not permissted, anyone knwo why? D: [00:03] Action: ut was thinking of the time he stepped on a metal thing and a toenail fell off his toe [00:03] I'm doing this as root. [00:04] some other attribute is set ? [00:04] DareDevil0: well, www.slackbuilds.org is a great resource...if a slackbuild doesn't exist, there's a sample slackbuild archive that shows you how to 'roll your own' [00:04] trhodes, what attr? D: [00:04] when i'm making a package from a slackbuild, the process is usually download source, download slackbuild, cd, untar, etc, edit slackbuild, su, run slackbuild, copy and install package, repeat x3 [00:04] riza, off the top of my head, i'm not sure :/ [00:05] 'sat sound right? [00:05] keashery (~keashery@117.136.12.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:05] sbopkg [00:05] ut: sounds about right for the manual method [00:05] ut, if you know how that works already, might as well just use sbopkg [00:05] Action: ut grins [00:05] "that's how you move a pile of bricks if you're allergic to wheels." [00:06] lol [00:06] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.103) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:06] Action: jewbacca has put together a few slackbuild archives, a couple of which are on SBo [00:08] Oh I see. [00:08] trhodes, I have to unmount, create the folder manually, set attr, then do it from there. [00:08] Action: riza stabs the air. [00:09] lol,riza....the air does get thick in this room...X_X [00:09] riza, is it mounted read / write ? [00:09] i'm not sure what exactly it is you're doing [00:10] had a spicey lunch, apologies [00:10] trhodes, yes. [00:10] trhodes, truecrypt! [00:11] why truecrypt ? [00:11] hidden volumes ? [00:11] there are many reasons, portability, plausible deniability, etc [00:11] that's why I was asking [00:12] jewbacca, so what slackbuilds does is to install the software you need using a script and if you want you can create your own script or modify the one that is in slackbuild in order to install the program ? [00:12] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:12] I am a newb to crypto and refuse to learn it because I don't have time. So truecrypt seems.. well, like the best choice. [00:12] all i've messed with is dm-crypt [00:12] ok, fair enough [00:12] I'm not looking to defend against the big brother, if they wanted me to spill the beans they'd just send me to gitmo. [00:12] I'm looking to defend against the average folks. Like people who may wander into my bedroom and tap away at the keyboard. [00:12] <:) [00:13] DareDevil0: well, it makes the package, and you install the program with installpkg later [00:13] jewbacca, so it makes the packages using the source you download? [00:13] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Action: mag0o had a friend that thought just building the slackbuild also installed it [00:14] DareDevil0: yes [00:14] DareDevil0: read the docs. :P [00:14] keashery (~keashery@117.136.12.69) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [00:14] DareDevil0: slackbuild.org is a site that has "slackbuilds" on it. them're scripts that build sourcecode into slackware-style packages. but read the docs :) [00:15] ok cool i am starting to understand i am lost [00:15] i will keep reading and trying [00:16] dm-crypt is now very solid, too [00:16] mancha: do you use truecrypt ? [00:16] for some things, yes [00:16] ok, i've only used dm-crypt 'cause of stolen computers [00:17] but truecrypt wins feature-wise [00:17] what's dm-crypt have to do with stolen computers? [00:18] i use openssl to encrypt files. [00:18] i don't like my personal info (keys and such) being unencrypted on machines that are likely to be stolen [00:18] ah. again with me and parsing. [00:19] i've only used (dm-crypt 'cause of stolen computers) vs (i've only used dm-crypt|encryption) 'cause of stolen computers [00:20] Action: ut looks suspiciously at the bottle of benadryl on his desk [00:20] haha, that's partly my fault :P i'm rather tired [00:20] i get too lazy about being explicit [00:20] mancha, do you format with none or FAT? [00:21] well great i installed the pkg, now i know how to use slackbuild [00:21] thanks [00:21] fat's the most portable but not the best fs [00:21] When I use none it won't even let me mount. It'll say dir not found. [00:22] depends on that you plan to do, if you're always gonna be on linux use a linux fs, if that and modern windwos use ntfs, if you want to catch em all, use fat [00:22] you'll have to make a filesystem before you mount it [00:22] i'd imagine that's true in all cases of block devices [00:22] I'm only given none or FAT, no other choice. [00:22] there must be a way to fiddle with it prior to mounting. [00:22] I used only fdisk to create a partition then went to truecrypt. [00:22] I have a feeling I am forgetting a step. [00:23] riza: here you go: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/truecrypt-on-linux-with-xfs-and-ext2ext3-volumes [00:24] about 1/3ish down [00:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-140.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] I SEE! [00:25] I completely forgot about mkis. [00:25] my firefox works again. [00:25] God I want to stab someone. [00:25] Really badly. [00:25] Seriously. [00:26] public service announcement, gtk+2 2.18.8 is borked, donuts use [00:26] Action: ut steps behind mancha [00:26] hey, i don't swing that way! [00:26] lol [00:26] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:26] heh [00:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [00:27] Hm. [00:27] Look. [00:28] mke2fs -j -m0 <-- 0 reserved? Is that such a good ideA? [00:28] Would you guys do that? [00:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:29] sure [00:29] Action: ut would assume it's ok, given it's not / [00:29] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] you're just using this as a seperate encrypted filesystem ? [00:29] I'm not sure if I understand that. [00:30] you're making this to put stuff in for safe keeping ? [00:30] riza: man mke2fs [00:30] you have the reserved space for stuff like system access when some idjit user fills up the drive with pr0n on you [00:30] trhodes, yes. [00:30] Been a while like I said, I have two other truecrypt mounted atm and they are working fine. [00:30] I just can't remember anything. [00:31] -j makes it ext3 [00:31] but that's OK [00:31] Ya I know. [00:32] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:33] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:33] I seriously wish su is the same thing as sudo. [00:33] Because I am tired. [00:34] the sudo file is well documented [00:34] err, commented [00:34] riza: su -c "some command" [00:35] Ah su -c is a substitute! [00:35] It's just pissing me off. [00:36] sudo... WTF! [00:36] I'm going to create it as FAT, then mount it, then mkefs in it now. [00:36] i don't know if it'll let you make the filesystem on it while it's mounted. [00:36] Then how did I do it? Ugh I can't remember. [00:37] mke2fs -j -m0 /dev/mapper/truecrypt0 didn't do it? [00:37] I wouldn't do that. [00:37] I have like 2 other truecrypt mounted. [00:37] When I mount this one, it comes out as: /dev/loop0 [00:38] then maybe that truecrypt -vl will tell you which is which [00:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Like I said, it shows as /dev/loop0 while the others show as /dev/mapper/truecrypt [00:41] It's scarinig me. [00:41] they're in your box, readin your bits [00:42] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [00:42] lol [00:42] :) [00:42] any software use to compress files with gui? [00:42] ark [00:42] DareDevil0: xarchiver [00:43] thanks [00:43] riza, i've used loop devices to mount files that got dm-crypted to /dev/mapper/* files -- that only makes sense if your encrypted volume is in a file, however [00:43] DareDevil0, are you allergic to "www.google.com"? [00:43] mancha no i am not but sometimes when you do www.google.com you can't find things [00:43] truecrypt can encrypt a partion or create a file container [00:43] trhodes, ya it's a partition, not a file. [00:44] it's not a bad question. google's not that great at telling you what the program every person using slackware uses is. [00:44] Dare, i don't think you try very hard [00:44] Action: ut tries to read what he just wrote [00:44] mancha, how do you think i installed slackware in the computer and also installed the wifi card [00:44] also, you risk ending up with crap :) asking on ##slackware leads to the best possible answer known to man [00:44] i told you how to do do wifi [00:44] v3gard: heheh [00:45] i said b43, i said new kernel, i said fw-cutter. [00:45] v3gard, lol..true [00:45] mancha, yes you did, but you tell me how to compile the kernel? [00:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Action: mancha pats DareDevil0 on the back [00:45] :) [00:45] good boy [00:45] DareDevil0, there's actually many good web tutorials on that [00:45] you tell me why my kernel fail when doesn't have the ext4 modules installed? [00:45] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.41) joined ##slackware. [00:45] for that, it would depend on what the failure was [00:46] DareDevil0, slackware is a man's distrib, you gotta scratch yer balls, get the 9mm and put it next to the mouse, and start reading and doing [00:46] mancha, there are many things i have been learning by myself but are like thousand of questions i have now [00:46] a man would have a 45 [00:46] sissy [00:46] o/ [00:46] the more you learn, the more questions that come up [00:46] but don't have the gun loaded if you value your computer. [00:47] scratch yer mouse ball [00:47] hahahaha [00:47] antiwire, with bronze or silver bullets? [00:47] depends if it had windows on it before [00:47] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:47] lol [00:47] Hm. [00:47] /dev/sdc1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! [00:47] gold plated deagle brand deagle bullets with a huge banana clip and tacticool armor [00:48] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:48] what do you mean by lol? [00:48] antiwire: now we're talking! [00:48] leaping on leopards [00:48] i mean i am a native spanish speaker? [00:48] laughing out loud [00:48] my computer has been through a lot, so I suspect it either takes UV light or silver bullets to take it out.. haven't tried either yet though :) [00:48] locking our loads [00:48] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:48] DareDevil0, need to learn lolspeak :) lol = Laughing Out Loud [00:48] DareDevil0: it's just a laugh people use [00:48] licking our labia [00:49] since noone can see you laugh on irc [00:49] lollerskates [00:49] DareDevil0: google.com it's the first thing you should grab from your toolbox. [00:49] mancha, yours maybe - I left mine at home :) [00:49] mancha: LOL nice one [00:49] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [00:49] is like hahahahahaha [00:49] yes [00:49] ? [00:49] jajaja [00:49] yes, but less emphatic. [00:49] ok lol [00:49] maybe "hahaha" [00:49] tite (Sungem@114-36-239-84.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] lol [00:49] it's like sqrt(hahahahah) [00:50] is like hahehihohu [00:50] very loud [00:50] DareDevil0: slackware doesn't pamper it's users. you work for slackware, which in turn works for you. it's a balance of user/computer relations [00:50] Cann0n: be nice. he's on the steep part of the learning curve. [00:50] it's a distro for those who like to be self sufficent [00:50] *sufficient [00:50] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [00:51] Yeah well our relationship is no so good right now but i will improve it [00:51] (in software, at least) [00:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:51] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:51] is this book good Linux.Sams.Slackware.Linux.Unleashed? [00:52] ut: i'm just trying to get the "read the docs before asking questions that could easily be avoided" embedded in the first response to an issue [00:52] ut: like that one. [00:52] lol i kid. [00:52] DareDevil0, it's probably out of date [00:52] DareDevil0, you are a quick learner i have noticed, so this is good. right now you're doing like 30% self-lookup and 70% ask ##slackware. if you flip that ratio around you'll do a lot better [00:52] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:53] mancha: you said that better than i could have/tried to [00:53] ok then see ya i have a lot of things to read [00:53] Action: ut waves [00:53] 75% or mancha's statistics are made up [00:53] *oof [00:53] gaww [00:53] of [00:54] DareDevil0: slackbook.org [00:54] i printed it out once and kept in within arms reach of my computer [00:54] Cann0n, ok i will start there, i thought slackwiki will be good [00:55] but i will start there [00:55] that's a great source too [00:55] slackbasics is good too [00:55] also check out the google forum. alt.os.linux.slackware (i think thats what it's called) [00:56] wow, i didn't think people used usenet anymore [00:57] yeah. i just dropped it 2 months ago. got tired of the constant emails [00:57] once upon a time, that was _the_ place to discussstuff [00:57] discuss stuff [00:57] they used to be once every day or two... then i was gettng 2 or 3 day some times. realized, i never even check them out. the issues didn't hold interest in me [00:58] yeah lol. now it's here [00:58] yeah, real-time beats an email equivalent [00:58] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:59] mailing lists are more topical than IRC, but are a good resource (even if all you do is search the archives) [00:59] mos-def. when i started out on slackware, i didn't even know IRC was a viable option for tech support [00:59] personally, i hardly use email :/ [00:59] i love emails. [01:00] Action: ut likes email [01:00] that fact that it is required for my blackberry's facebook app to work is the only reason that i use email [01:00] i don't write many, but i tend to get slashdot and my skateboard news via email [01:00] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] without them, i'd have no news at all [01:00] it's got all that latency built in. you can ignore a message for a day without even feeling guilty. [01:00] I prefer irc to email for help/chat, though I use email for many other things [01:00] all of my bills are through email [01:01] Action: ut would like to get off gmail though [01:01] yeah mailing list archives are a great resource. [01:01] i live gmail [01:01] oh? I love gmail.. the grouping of emails is really nice [01:01] like* [01:01] my dad's an email administrator, so it's especially ironic that I eschew it [01:01] i use claws. [01:01] Is there any way to force a symlink to be the path the system uses? I have a bunch of users accessing the same data from different places. They open the project and the symlink I created finds the proper files.. However when they save the project the program uses the absolute path to the files in the project files rather than the path to the symlink itself. So they can't share their projects easily.. [01:02] Action: ut doesn't like google [01:02] i used to use phreaker.net [01:02] I can 1 force everyone to have the same directory structure.. or 2 create symlinks on all machines based on their dir strucutres.. any other ideas? [01:02] ut: it's gotten pretty heavy. i remember when it was just a crappy search engine back in 99' [01:02] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:03] i like their properties, but i don't like the idea of an advertising company with better-than-government spying powers. not in a conspirist-theory way... i just don't think they're in an appropriate position. [01:04] we can make fun of gentoo (and ricers) as much as we want..it's fun. BUT, their contribution to linux by way of their documentation was priceless [01:04] gmail is the fastest i've used. i can send myself an email and within 30 seconds, it be in my inbox. [01:04] wescotte, have you considered a distributed filesystem, like AFS ? [01:04] back in the compuserv days, it was like 4 hours [01:04] Ceph! [01:04] is gmail finally out of invite only? [01:05] yeah, has been a while. [01:05] for years. [01:05] google voice is still invite-only, i think [01:05] yeah since like 2004? [01:05] now it's elite to NOT get invites [01:05] really? hrm [01:05] my school just gives out gmail accounts [01:05] trhodes: no.. Everyone has local versions of the files though.. It's 300gig-2TB of video footage.. So I don't think that would work.. Plus many of them are Mac users.. [01:05] except the logo is cmail.. oh ho ho~ [01:05] i've been invited to 3 or 4 features google released... i onlf use the mail and the search. [01:06] i don't even remember what they were, i just remember going through invite emails [01:06] I hop on google talk as well for email notification/the lab tech uses it for communication during the day [01:06] Action: ut used google voice with gizmo for free phone calls when he didn't have a phone for a while [01:06] trhodes: think I just need to make sure everyone has the same directory structure.. kinda annoying but I think it's the only viable solution right now.. [01:07] well, im out. [01:07] later folks [01:07] g'night [01:07] later Cann0n [01:08] maginot (~maginot@189.4.98.232) left irc: Quit: brb [01:08] wescotte, how is the sharing of files actually done ? [01:08] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:09] trhodes: they all have local copies [01:09] i don't quite get how the users' work is shared amongst each other [01:09] ok [01:09] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Cann0n threw down ninja smoke bomb and disappeared in the shadows over there by the Burger King [01:10] trhodes: but they're sharing "project files" that are just XML files from the video editing program so they can share their editing work and distribute scenes [01:10] ahh, that makes more sense now [01:10] trhodes: basically I can edit a scene.. Then export the sequence to an XML file and send it to our main editor.. He can review it make changes and whatnot.. Then pass it back.. [01:11] yeah [01:11] However everyone has their footage in different places so the XML data needs to be updated to reflect where they keep their footage.. I used symlinks and that works on loading.. but when they save it the absolute path is used again [01:12] so either they all have to match where they store the footage.. Or I have a bunch of symlinks on each machine based on where everyone stores their footage.. [01:12] I guess what I'm asking is if there is a way for it to resolve the path based on a symlink instead of the absolute path? [01:12] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [01:14] hmm, i'm not sure :/ [01:15] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:15] I'll just force everyone to use the same directory structure for their footage :) [01:15] b0o-yeah (~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:15] I don't really know any other way to do it.. [01:15] yeah, that sounds simplest [01:15] I mean I could make symlinks for everyone's structure on every other machine too.. [01:15] not exactly ideal [01:16] b0o-yeah (~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah) joined ##slackware. [01:16] but might be slightly easier than forcing them to all change.. [01:16] heh, hard to tell [01:16] man if we only had money we could do this right :) [01:17] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:18] a wrapper program could likely do what you want, but that sounds ugly, too [01:18] yeah [01:19] thanks for your help though.. I think I'll just put my foot down and force a uniform directory structure [01:19] and they can't be networked, they need to take work out of the lan environment ? [01:20] if there even is a lan :) [01:20] not on a lan no.. [01:20] each editor works from home [01:20] if we had money we could have an office and a dedicated frame server and all that good stuff [01:20] i guessed so, 'cause otherwise the copy idea would be awful [01:20] yeah [01:21] eh, i duno how best to proceed :/ [01:21] sounds like the uniform naming scheme is a good start [01:24] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-76-254.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-76-254.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:39] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Guest59353 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:41] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:42] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:47] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:53] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [01:53] I found the solution guys. [01:54] Action: riza cries. [01:54] Nobody around to congrat me or ask how. [01:54] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware. [01:57] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [01:59] that dont impress me much [01:59] oh oh oh oho [02:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [02:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:05] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hey, whats peoples opinions for this laptop as being a good cheap work laptop, (i need one in the next 2-3days) http://factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_spec.php?pcode=IB0042 [02:06] to run linux ofcourse. [02:06] openoffice + network testing/audit applications [02:06] what's your budget fart tard [02:06] say it in USD cause canada sucks [02:07] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.193.21.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:07] did i hurt you [02:07] below 500 would be cool [02:07] looks ok if you enjoy these old-fashioned 3x4 screens :) [02:08] 3x4 screens? [02:08] like not 16x9 :) [02:08] like i said its not for play, but for work... i run 3360 x 1050, at home :P [02:08] I still like my nice 17" for work [02:09] aww, that's a cool resolution =]] [02:09] though it needs a new screen [02:09] i've been using the tv in the bedroom for a monitor [02:09] Sira ! <3 [02:09] try irc on a 37" takes up the whole screen [02:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:10] hi acidchild bb [02:10] I'm happy with my netbook for auditing [02:10] :> [02:11] I've only used a tv as a monitor once before.. small 14" or something. was miserable. though I did get some use out of it for watching videos [02:11] yes, i have an EEEPC but i'm doing documentation. [02:11] so i need something bigger. [02:11] ah [02:11] EEEwwww [02:11] =p [02:11] haha. [02:11] slava_dp: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3556720247_bc3f0f899c_b.jpg [02:11] :P [02:11] just get a regular laptop god damn [02:11] fuckin 9"lame crap [02:11] acidchild http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventoryDetails?systemId=Z2WZWH2H&~lt=popup&c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22 [02:11] isn't that IBM a regular laptop? [02:12] my mom is obsessed with wanting a netbook [02:12] my mom was too. then i pointed her in the right direction [02:12] to my penix [02:12] oh wait no, bad joke [02:12] shes like how do i connect to the internet with that i said you cant [02:12] haaaa [02:12] makes it seem like it's small.. nevermind [02:12] acidchild: man, there's no good foot rest with that setup [02:12] i remove that claim [02:12] raela: i have a nice leather foot rest actully [02:12] jeev, i think just about everything will [02:13] :( [02:13] bah, my feet rest on a psychology textbook.. kept losing the damn cd every time I went to sell it back [02:13] awww raela was supposed to say that [02:13] nix_chix0r, now i'll have to cry myself to sleep [02:13] she's not a good monkey [02:13] raela: lol :P [02:13] i'm sorry! [02:13] nix_chix0r: and you are? ;/ [02:13] your psychotic. [02:13] not a monkey thats fo sho [02:14] nix_chix0r: what? was I supposed to insult his penis? [02:14] acidchild: you're :P [02:14] because you find them so disgusting [02:14] raela: your wrong [02:14] Action: acidchild runs [02:14] me i have no probs with the penis [02:14] wait, raela has breastseses es? [02:14] well yes, but luckily, I'm not the mother that wants a netbook penix [02:14] jeev: indeed [02:14] Action: raela throws her wrong at acidchild [02:15] w'ong [02:15] damn, did I break it? [02:15] turn on usa [02:15] m'y'ee [02:16] oh, apparently I broke acidchild. oh well.. looks like he at least knows where the apostrophe key is now :P [02:16] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] cycling back from my new apartment today, i spotted a squirrel looked like it was eating something on the road... it had its face down and backend up with its tail up in the air [02:17] eating his peniz [02:17] as i got closer i realised something was wrong, and then i saw... its head had been crushed perfectly [02:17] oh snap [02:17] like a work of art [02:18] but its tail was still in the air!!! like a happy squiggle. [02:18] thats nuts [02:18] harhar [02:18] the fact missed its neck and just ran perfectly over its head. [02:18] acidchild, did you really do it? [02:18] guess he lost at chicken [02:18] nix_chix0r: yeah on my bicycle, ofcourse. [02:19] i'm that skilled. [02:19] it's cause you eat your wheaties [02:19] I touched a squirrel's tail before.. it was epic [02:19] http://slackadelic.com/~ash/queenste-DVP-male-20-04-58-2010-03-28.jpg [02:19] them pulling a body out of the river last night [02:20] walked by and leaned over to bat at it (cause c'mon, they always dart away).. and it didn't. thing whirled around and gave me a total wtf??? look [02:20] suicide, or random found body? [02:20] i think suicide tbh [02:20] slackin (~slackin@183.153.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:21] my school had 3 people jump off the same bridge in a 2 week period [02:21] a freshman, sophmore, and junior [02:21] thats cool, i watched a kid rip both ears off another kid in gym once [02:21] apparently, there's been 6 this year, but I dunno if any of the other 3 used a bridge.. they put fences on all of them now [02:22] i can guess where raela is :( [02:22] ha, the news says it all [02:23] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:23] well yeah, when it makes national news, it would kind of give it away [02:24] what bridge ? [02:24] maybe i can push someone off [02:24] there were some bad headlines about it... [02:24] by someone, i mean an array of people [02:25] "college on edge" was one awkward headline [02:25] I don't read/watch the news. I just know it made it there since my stepdad said something about it [02:25] i keep google news handy [02:25] I got to watch the police/fire trucks/ambulances fly by after class one day [02:25] dang [02:26] lol [02:26] college on edge [02:26] yeah, i remember that one being especially bad [02:26] this kind of stuff happens all the time in japan. [02:27] none of it is from my department. I just get a bunch of emails about how the community is greaving etc etc [02:27] one was some mass email to all off campus people letting us know we were still a valuable part of the community and telling us not to feel left out [02:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:28] am i the only one that's not suicidal ? [02:28] one/person [02:28] are you sure you're not ? [02:28] :P [02:28] only when i can't fart in front of people [02:28] i dont get why people complain [02:28] well, obviously I didn't leap off a bridge before the fences went up [02:29] are you sure there isn't a few peices of your life that your out of control of and maybe ending things would be the correct course of action [02:29] "I think everybody's kind of shaken. I know I am," one student tells the New York Times. "I wanted to go home." [02:29] man, they shouldn't speak for everyone like that [02:29] I just assumed it was business as usual [02:29] large school + probably some overachievers [02:29] shit happens [02:29] raela, that's why nobody likes new yorkers [02:30] new yuccas [02:30] new yorkers are worse than a state full of mini me's [02:30] thats pretty ignorant. [02:30] apparently the earlier 3 were not bridge jumpers [02:30] but then again, this is jeev's that is talking. [02:30] also, cornell is upstate ny which is different than nyc [02:30] acidchild, say sorry [02:30] nope [02:31] jeev: jump [02:31] waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [02:31] the day you blow a wad inside your mother is the day i say sorry [02:31] i'm sorry jeev... [02:31] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:32] LOL [02:32] you're fuckin nasty [02:32] i'll probably be banned tomorrow for that haha oh well it was worth it :) [02:32] just keeping it in the family [02:34] acidchild, an attack on me is like an attack on earth [02:34] the earth doesn't blow inside its mother. [02:34] :( [02:34] awe, i'm just kidding! [02:35] damn straight beehotch [02:35] jeev: I think he's saying you need to practice your endurance [02:35] let it go on the outside [02:35] lol [02:35] LOL [02:35] raela++ [02:36] :) [02:37] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:37] jeev: having issues finding a retaurt to that ? [02:37] acidchild: hey, I won, hands down :P [02:37] I dunno what I won [02:37] but I did, damnit [02:37] a ban probably tomorrow. [02:38] it happens [02:38] i got banned from here for like 3 months for saying donkeycock (i believe) [02:38] Hi, is 'wol' (downloaded from slackbuilds.org) a correct wake-on-lan program to use with 2 computers linked with a crossover cable? [02:39] vhann, depends on what you want to achieve :) [02:39] acidchild: but that just comes up in conversations all the time! :P [02:39] lol donkeycock [02:39] vhann: says so [02:40] raela: ofcourse, i'm a donkey scientist.... [02:40] just says wakes up hardware that is "magic packet" compliant -- that should work with MDI or crossover cables [02:40] slava_dp: Well, I've got this old Dell PowerEdge 2450 server I want to wake-on-lan. It seems set up ok (it's off and the interface's LED is on). Using wol and its MAC address, I get the activity LED to flash, but it still won't boot :S [02:41] maybe thats BIOS related? [02:41] the interface lan will always be on. you have to setup wol in BIOS. [02:41] dissociative (~alejandro@adsl190-28-177-228.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:41] Hum, I'll give that thing's BIOS another check then [02:42] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:42] i'm sure google would save you 30minutes of hacking around. [02:42] acidchild: Not sure, I've checked Dell's documentation on the PowerEdge 2450... it's like 50 different PDFs [02:42] It's gonna be fun searching through that... [02:42] yeah, thats why google might be a good bet. [02:43] pinot is also a good way of search though 100s of PDF's [02:43] lol... just turn on Wake On Lan in the Bios [02:43] filetype:pdf site:dell.com [02:43] if google indexed the pdf's that is [02:44] pinot rocks though. [02:44] lesser (~keashery@117.136.12.66) joined ##slackware. [02:45] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:45] http://pinot.berlios.de/ for thou shall too lazy to gewgal [02:46] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.2) joined ##slackware. [02:46] keashery (~keashery@117.136.12.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:47] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [02:48] cool, pinot is DE agnostic [02:49] vhann, did you see this doc? http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pe2950/en/engbrief/wol.pdf [02:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:51] MLanden: No, gonna look at that, thanks [02:51] vhann, np [02:56] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Ok, so I just learned about /proc/acpi/wakeup thanks to you MLanden, :) [03:02] vhann, just googed "Dell PowerEdge 2450 wake on lan" with quotes and it came up as the 1st hit [03:02] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:02] s/googed/googled [03:03] vhann, but sometimes Dell's dox aren't as easy to find...happy 'nough to help...good luck [03:04] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:04] MLanden: I guess I am stupid because I got it as a first hit too... oh well. Anyway, now it works if I enable these things in /proc/acpi/wakeup [03:06] vhann, wasn't being condescending....one of those features that could be easily overlooked when looking for documentation..which version of linux's kernel are you using? [03:07] Linux vhanndinateur 2.6.29.6-smp #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:18:05 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5250 @ 1.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [03:08] MLanden: I know, _I'M_ the one being condescending towards myself for being a Googling noob :p [03:08] vhann, cool...if it works with 2.6.29 without patchin'...you're good to go if you decide to upgrade kernel,hopefully [03:11] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] grazymax (~grazymax@host45-153-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Action: slackie hi there \o [03:16] o/ [03:18] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. 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[04:43] Well folks, some development processes take a while to get to version 1 [04:47] grazymax (~grazymax@host162-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:00] Morn [05:01] grazymax (~grazymax@host207-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:02] yo [05:04] Heya [05:04] morning guys o/ [05:04] phragmatic (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [05:04] phragmatic (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Morn' [05:13] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [05:13] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] tuxloo (~Administr@61.150.43.99) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Yo [05:21] wow@sslv1 [05:26] quiet in here today [05:26] just installed syngergy, really nice =) [05:26] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:26] synergy* [05:33] what's it do? [05:34] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [05:34] share peripherals? [05:36] grazymax (~grazymax@host207-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:37] Axelpalm (~alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:40] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Am1ne (Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware. [05:44] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:46] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-47-166.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:47] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:48] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-199-35.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-128-19.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:50] maginot (~maginot@189.4.98.232) joined ##slackware. [05:51] hey guys. What can I use to put a nice image on my fb screen when the system is loading? I saw this fbsplash, but looks to have patch only for kernel 2.6.24 [05:51] splashy [05:52] mancha, ok, will search for splashy [05:52] thks [05:52] ok [05:54] maginot: Why would you want to? [05:54] grazymax (~grazymax@host233-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Zordrak, just finish building my distro for a project that I work on, and they asked to hide the "confusing words" ;) [05:55] >.< [05:55] _Steal their dictionary [05:56] maginot, scared by the innards?....X_X [05:56] MLanden, what can I do, I'm just an employee ;X [05:57] mishehu (~mishehu@99-153-67-105.uvs.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:57] Mmm... sometimes I get (kernel?) freezes when I seed around 1000 torrents and download some with 11MB/s... does anyone have any clues as to whether rtorrent, the Realtek NIC driver or something completely different could be the cause of this? [05:58] I have no clue how one could pinpoint this as there's nothing in the logs (kernel probably freezes before it can write a dump?) [05:58] drop your torrents to about 100 (one hundred) and start from there [05:59] then increase by 100 after about 10-15 minutes and see what happens [05:59] Action: MLanden lights a candle for maginot and invokes a "The Strength of Slack is within you" to Bob.....:D [05:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-43.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:00] alisonken1noc: aye [06:01] grazymax (~grazymax@host233-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:01] Just thought maybe some other people had similar issues... I've heard of Realtek NICs bailing out with many connections but bah I didn't expect freezes. [06:02] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-47-166.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:02] mac-: did your pet project work? are you even reading this? not locked yourself out again with xlock? ;) [06:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:04] mishehu (~mishehu@99-153-67-105.uvs.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [06:06] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:09] jg71: very funny ;p [06:10] frigging hell... symantec support finally responded to a ticket.. but as well as an email they tried to call me.. at 23:40 last night! [06:11] Zosma, I had freezes using torrents on 2.6.29, .30 and .31. with .32, they stopped. [06:12] Action: slava_dp is a fan of 2.6.32 :) [06:13] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:14] grazymax (~grazymax@host251-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:15] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] argh.. the interminable question. Cumulative or Differential? [06:15] Action: Delahunt is a fan of 2.6.32 now that modeswitching doesn't like his old Pentium-m laptop with Intel 855GM [06:15] slava_dp: I'm using 2.6.32.5 :-( [06:16] So that doesn't solve it hehe. [06:16] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.103) joined ##slackware. [06:17] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:17] How come the slack usb image huge.s kernel boots fine without a root device but the vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.6 that comes with slack does not? [06:17] The kernel also promptly ignores my pleeds for ignoring raid and loading ramdisk [06:17] uh [06:17] Actually, huge.s fails too. It's probably my custom initrd. [06:18] Coke, LUKS+LVM? [06:18] Delahunt: no [06:18] It's just a kernel + initrd image [06:18] you shouldn't need an initrd with hugesmp [06:18] if you're using generic though, you'll have to initrd your filesystem(s) [06:19] Delahunt: so how come huge fails to open root device? [06:19] VFS: Cannot open root device "" or unknown-block(3,7) [06:19] i don't know [06:19] root= entry? [06:19] it also scans for raid even though i have raid=noautodetect, I've also added rootdelay=10, but that delay never happens [06:19] Delahunt: no root entry [06:20] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:20] Delahunt: there's no root specified for the live systems, it's supposed to use initrd [06:20] It's as if the kernel is ignoring my append [06:22] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.103) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:22] um [06:22] "no root specified for the live systems" [06:22] ? [06:22] Delahunt: yeah [06:22] that's the way it works [06:22] are you making a live cd? or are you installing to a PC? [06:22] making a live image [06:23] i don't know about live systems [06:23] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:24] Well, the syslinux instructions show just the standard crap settings [06:24] Nothing magical, yet it doesnt mount any root for me [06:28] Argh, can it be I typed the wrong label in extlinux.conf?? [06:28] ffs [06:28] <- moron [06:29] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:31] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:32] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:32] Axelpalm (alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [06:33] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.40.18) joined ##slackware. [06:40] How can the slackware usb live system boot the initrd without a root option and why doesn't my own boot without it? [06:40] sinedrio (~sinedrio@193-126-129-13.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[06:47] Coke: there is no Slackware live USB system [06:48] lushan (Administra@117.39.49.112) left irc: Client Quit [06:49] alreadygone, I know a little awk :) but just a little [06:49] tuxloo (~Administr@61.150.43.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:49] alreadygone: tons of people in #awk [06:49] which is a very helpful channel [06:50] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.38.188.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:50] alienBOB: well, I have one image here that's using huge.s [06:50] thanks ananke , thanks alisonken1noc, one person woke up in #awk, he is helping me now [06:50] i think i might have created it from an iso [06:52] alienBOB: in any case, Im trying to use extlinux to boot a kernel (which works) and mount an initrd (which doesn't work) [06:53] Coke: the Slackware initrd on the USB installer is an iniramfs, the kernel loads it into kernel memory... it is not a root filesystem at all. That may be your confusion [06:53] alienBOB: it may well be [06:53] so how do I make an iniramfs from initrd? [06:54] because it looks to me like it's using a file named initrd.img [06:54] it's setup so you can install slackware to a drive, not run a live system from the thumbdrive [06:54] alisonken1noc: but i am running it right now as I type this [06:55] what I wanted to do was to use my own initrd [06:55] ok - create your initrd (including .gz'ing it), then I believe it's using ether syslinux or extlinux as the bootloader [06:56] yeah thats exactly what im doing [06:56] follow along the syslinux page on how to modify the syslinux loader to include initrd rather than a initramfs [06:56] alisonken1noc: i dont care if it's initramfs or initrd [06:56] however, the problem is that using my own initrd the kernel fails to mount the root device [06:57] what's the error? [06:58] rebuilding my project now [06:59] cannot find root device is the error [07:00] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.48.186) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:02] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] alisonken1noc: is it possible to mount the initrd image as root? [07:03] if I cant and I need an initramfs, how do I make initramfs from my initrd? 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[07:12] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:12] sounds really complicated [07:13] alisonken1noc: i have a new plan. boot the huge kernel and just mount the USB stick as root using a disklabel [07:13] if you have a big enough thumbdrive - just remember that thumbdrives are not good as swap [07:14] and they're going to be a little slower than normal drives, but quicker than a cd/dvd drive [07:14] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:16] alisonken1noc: thats cool [07:16] alisonken1noc: do I still need an initrd for my huge kernel? it should be able to mount usb as root considering the config shows most modules with option "y" [07:16] including ext2 and usb [07:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:17] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tlviqwzxderamodd) joined ##slackware. [07:17] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:22] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: lunch! [07:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:23] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:24] maginot (~maginot@189.4.98.232) left irc: Quit: Saindo [07:24] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-17-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:25] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [07:32] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.48.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:33] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.55.88) joined ##slackware. [07:38] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-43.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:41] I'm not allowed to use root=LABEL=slacker and boot using my USB as root device. Any idea how this is done? [07:41] it doesn't even give me the USB device as alternative in the dump, I'm suspecting this has something to do with the USB device not being ready at this point [07:42] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Coke: do you have it in your lilo.conf? [07:43] raela: he's trying to use a usb thumbdrive as boot [07:43] sorry - as root [07:43] root device [07:43] raela: im booting using extlinux [07:43] just to boot to install? [07:44] raela: no, I want to make a live minislack for usb [07:44] ah [07:44] Something I can use to put slack on old boxes [07:45] primarely, i just want to be able to run slack on any box without installing it first [07:46] I had trouble some kernel versions ago with USB not settling fast enough for the boost sequence [07:47] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-43.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:47] sorry, I've never made a live usb before.. just install usbs [07:47] Nick change: fsilva_ -> fsilva [07:47] it finds the usb disk on /dev/sdb1 [07:48] but I cannot hardcode it into the extlinux.conf [07:48] (for obvious reasons) [07:48] Some suggest using disk labels. [07:48] VFS: Cannot open root device "LABEL=slacker" [07:48] I've tried a few variants [07:48] I used syslinux for booting the usb each time. also, centos installed grub to the usb stick once (I did not want it to) [07:49] booting the kernel is not the problem [07:49] mounting the root filesystem is [07:49] ahh [07:49] when is it not? [07:49] hence the error above [07:49] either way, sorry, don't think I'm of any help [07:49] other than if you have a syntax error somewhere [07:51] there's no syntax problem here that I can see [07:52] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:52] USB is working properly... [07:52] just the root fs setting is BROKEN [07:53] the time I had an issue with the root fs, it was mbr not being properly set up [07:53] but that was just on a hd [07:55] well, the mbr has nothing to do with the root filesystem [07:55] Ah there we go [07:55] If I set root=/dev/sdb1 it actually mounts the filesystem [07:56] But that is soooo retarded, there's no guarantee that the USB stick will get /dev/sdb1 as device node [07:56] Using UUID is useless since it's specific per USB stick [07:56] Using path won't work because it changes depending on what USB socket you plug it in to [07:56] And disk labels aren't supported at this stage of the boot [07:57] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:10] this is just too difficult, i give up [08:13] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [08:14] alien used to mention that he made an attempt at creating a slack live system, can't remember if it was a cd or a usb [08:15] tuesday is pretty calm. [08:17] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:19] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:20] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:20] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:20] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:21] slava_dp: thing is, most live systems use initrd [08:22] read only [08:22] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:22] Action: slava_dp nods :) [08:22] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:23] The problem is that syslinux has no way of mounting the USB [08:23] The initrd is purely to configure your system so that the kernel can mount the root filesystem. [08:23] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [08:23] alienBOB: why is it needed for the huge kernel? doesnt it have everything built in? [08:23] Look at how linux-live does it if you need information [08:24] Coke: the huge kernel does not need an initrd at all [08:24] alienBOB: I have. not a single example on how to mount an USB device [08:24] alienBOB: yeah, so I cut it away [08:24] I'm now trying to make the kernel mount my USB [08:24] the problem is very simple: there's no way of mounting an USB device without hardcoding the options in a conf (or allowing a prompt) [08:24] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:25] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:25] Coke: you can use root=LABEL=... with Slackware-current's initrd [08:25] alienBOB: how do you mean "with slackware's current initrd" ? [08:25] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [08:26] I thought you said I didnt need the initrd if I load the huge kernel? [08:26] Coke: exactly that [08:26] I am talking about an initrd, not about the kernel [08:26] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:26] I tried adding root=LABEL=slacker in my extlinux.conf [08:26] Raphael_S (~Raphael_S@r311-pb-itajai.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:26] If you want to do anything fancy-pants then get rid of the huge kernel and use the generic one [08:27] alienBOB: Ok. Is an initrd required? [08:27] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:27] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:28] do I put the root=LABEL=slacker in my extlinux.conf as kernel option or in my /etc/fstab inside the initrd? [08:28] Raphael_S (Raphael_S@r311-pb-itajai.ibys.com.br) left ##slackware. [08:28] because if I don't need an initrd I don't see the point of providing one [08:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-62.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Coke: if you want to do fancy stuff like root=LABEL=... then yes, an initrd is required [08:29] alienBOB: ok, im gonna abuse your patience a bit here... [08:29] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:29] alienBOB: what exactly is in the initrd that cannot be supplied with the kernel? [08:29] well... I guess disk label support for one? [08:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-62.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:33] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:34] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:34] It seems rather counter productive to add an entire initrd just for disk label support. Makes me wonder why it can't be built-in with the kernel. [08:35] Call linus and demand it [08:36] So disk labels is part of a driver that is module only? [08:37] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:37] All the articles on the subject are quite rudimentary [08:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:37] "how to mount a linux partition using disk labels" [08:37] not helping me [08:37] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:38] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:38] alienBOB: OK, I can't find any information regarding the support or non-support of disk-labels built-in to the kernel, but if I make my own initrd, I just edit /etc/fstab to mount the rootfs using disk labels and it should work? [08:39] and switch to the generic kernel, ofc [08:41] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:07] -1 [09:07] -1 [09:07] ? [09:07] lol [09:07] Zordrak, see /usr/src/linux [09:08] a no would have done [09:08] Not as much fun, though. [09:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [09:10] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] grazymax (~grazymax@host251-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:12] Zordrak: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/11/25/104 [09:13] bored to read the changelog? [09:13] :P [09:13] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-1298 [09:13] oobe (~hell@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:14] Added new kernels and kernel packages with a patch for CVE-2009-1298, a kernel bug where oversized IP packets cause a NULL pointer dereference and immediate hang [09:14] Axius (~hi@109.97.56.57) joined ##slackware. [09:14] oobe (~hell@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:15] i was looking at the configs [09:15] forgot it was a source change [09:16] makes the rebuild simpler [09:17] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [09:20] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [09:20] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:21] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] gtludwig (~gtludwig@150.162.165.127) joined ##slackware. [09:26] hi all [09:30] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:30] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grep/2010-03/msg00575.html [09:30] is there someone here who has tried to use php in system administration ? [09:31] Am1ne: something like phpadmin? [09:32] no I mean scripts programming [09:32] instead of perl [09:33] I'm not a sysadmin, but I believe most people here either use perl or bash scripting, not php [09:33] gtludwig, of course ! because php sucks ! [09:35] Am1ne: lol! so true... but lots of web developers still use it due to its speed [09:35] Action: oxiredo_ro ciocate pt manelisti :) [09:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.233.41) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:37] Axius (~hi@109.97.56.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:42] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [09:42] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [09:42] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:42] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. 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[10:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:19] sinedrio (~sinedrio@193-126-129-13.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:19] christ save me from bloody pacemaker [10:23] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:31] Pacemaker? D: [10:31] Are you... are you old? [10:35] No, his name is Chev Chelios [10:35] duh [10:36] lol. i watched that movie like a week ago [10:36] any advice for a good nntp client? [10:36] slrn ftw [10:36] pax ? [10:36] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] ig you want one with a nice gui and such, Pan is what you want [10:38] Zordrak, is Christ running slackware ? [10:38] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:38] gonna try both, thanks [10:39] agris_ (~agris@mail.biko.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:39] Jesus Christ runs Slackware indeed. [10:39] I know because I'm Muslim. [10:39] :) [10:39] naa christuntu [10:40] pacemaker is a high availability clustering software stack [10:40] <:) [10:40] riza, I was born muslim, but now I hate them [10:40] Am1ne, D: Why? [10:40] and the developers have their heads up their arses sometimes [10:40] Am1ne, because muslim theories and believes turn around sex women .. [10:40] what a coincidence! i was born a man. now i hate em too [10:41] Am1ne, you talking to yourself? D: [10:42] christ may not run slackware [10:42] but bob does [10:43] knnk, I know Jesus runs Slackware, trust me. [10:43] riza, it's what the coran said [10:44] Am1ne, you're confusing me. Sorry. <:( [10:44] it talks a lot about womens [10:44] each man should have at least 4 women, i am a muslim too [10:44] hhhhhhhhhh [10:44] 4 womens + slaves [10:44] yeah same [10:45] and in heaven you have 72 women [10:45] lol [10:45] of course, the second one I see is alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.britn... [10:45] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:45] riza, ask Camarade_Tux he is a muslim one too ! [10:45] o.o... [10:45] Whoa. [10:46] See, I'm a convert and even I know that's not how it works. [10:46] And essentially untrue. [10:46] <:) [10:46] riza, where are you from ? [10:47] New Yawk! :D [10:47] Am1ne: no you have virgins, it's unspecified as to whether they are women or men ;-) [10:47] Greatest country in the world. [10:47] lol [10:47] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:48] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:48] Zosma, muslim virgins are from the front not from the behind [10:48] lol [10:49] muslim's virgins are a big ass fucker [10:49] lol [10:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:49] o.o... [10:49] Enough. [10:50] Zordrak, are you muslim too ? [10:50] well put, Zordrak [10:50] Am1ne: 15:49:02 < Zordrak> Enough. [10:50] no, he just remember this is ##slackware [10:50] *remembers [10:51] I think we have many talibans slackers here :s [10:54] Hm so I literally cut and paste around 5gb of stuff and now some of my stuff magically disappeared. D: [10:54] Is cut and paste that poor? [10:54] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:54] use cp and/or mv [10:54] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] cut and paste isnt a linux command [10:55] rsync ftw [10:55] using a GUI to move 5GB of data is insanity [10:55] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] D: [10:55] I used gui to move 1000gb+ of stuff yesterday. [10:55] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] are they gone too? :) [10:55] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:56] No. [10:56] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:56] sahk0: it just swaped a few bytes so he doesnt know yet :) [10:56] :( [10:56] Action: riza cries. [10:56] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:56] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] seriously.. what kind of moron do you have to be to move a terabyte with a gui [10:57] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] D:... [10:57] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] I didn't know! [11:00] thats one of the first things Slackware is supposed to teach you. When you want something to be done right do it in the command line [11:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-227-90.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-227-90.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [11:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [11:00] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:00] I know, I got too used to gui. :| [11:00] agentc0re kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [11:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Bbl. [11:02] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [11:02] poor agentc0re [11:03] rworkman: iirc it was you who put the Patero-ng ban, and agentc0re is being hit by it again: think you could try narrowing the ban? [11:03] 15:59:32 < sahk0> thats one of the first things Slackware is supposed to teach you. When you want something to be done right do it in Slackware [11:04] Camarade_Tux: it doesnt matter as long as agentc0re registers with nickserv [11:04] Camarade_Tux: which he just did [11:04] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [11:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:04] its worth it to keep patero-ng out of here [11:04] Zordrak: ah, right, hadn't seen he had joined again [11:04] haven't seend Patero-ng in a pretty long time [11:04] Action: Camarade_Tux needs new eyes btw [11:05] hey I recognize that name [11:05] not from slackware though [11:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [11:07] huh [11:08] Camarade_Tux, seems like a good ban to me [11:08] If anyone's interested im finally about submit my pacemaker stack slackbuilds to SBo [11:08] i think patero-ng also uses 173.177.220 [11:08] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:08] and 138.195.146 [11:10] jeev: but it'd been even better if agentcore was triggering it either [11:10] lesser (~keashery@117.136.12.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:10] too* [11:10] :0 [11:10] you wish ill [11:10] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:11] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Camarade_Tux: I've talked to robby, and it probably wont happen. So no worries. [11:12] ok, as long as you can join anyway (I really hadn't seen you had joined after that ;-) ) [11:12] jeev: yes, you're correct. the slkc.qwest.net has two separate ranges you can dhcp, which is why i am only now having issues because i use to be on the other range, a 190' something i think. [11:12] thumbs: lol. If i ever find out who patero-ng is, i'm gonna bash his skull in. :P [11:13] google has lots of patero-ng irc log hits [11:13] agentc0re: nice. [11:13] agentc0re: take pictures. [11:14] agentc0re: actually, he might be living *very* close to you ;-) [11:14] Camarade_Tux: well, he's in my city, that's for sure. :/ [11:14] maybe he's your alter ego [11:14] agentc0re, dont be too sure [11:14] isp's do that most of the times [11:14] charter shows i live in riverside most of the time [11:15] http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/1a/7_proxies_verbose.jpg [11:15] that's definitely not the case [11:15] damn i love that pic [11:16] jeev: ya, that's true. I have noticed that working with qwest that most of their routers are named for after the main city. It could be that they are counting it as Salt Lake County, which is pretty much all the major cities around salt lake city. [11:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] bah, one is proxy will be enough [11:16] (I mean, ssh connection actually) [11:16] (I should go to bed) [11:17] yes you should [11:17] Action: agentc0re grabs the chloroform. [11:18] too some booze, I've been in a crappy mood since this morning [11:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.60.186) joined ##slackware. [11:23] !hello [11:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:23] how to set title for tabs in xfce4-terminal (currently all tabs are "Untitled" on my machine), i just want they to show current directory like on other distros [11:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-43.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:24] alt+s+t [11:24] duno what specifier to use tho [11:25] fonseg: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-June/200299.html [11:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:26] lesser (~lesser@218.107.49.198) joined ##slackware. [11:27] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] fonseg: remember to make sure the title is shown in the terminal preferences, too [11:30] MarkB2 (~pirch@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] trhodes: thx [11:31] There be Slackwarians here? [11:31] nope, only Slackwaryans [11:32] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.243) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Got Slack 13 installed a few days ago.. overcame a problem resolved by using "nohotplug" during the boot. Now I have a problem getting X running properly. [11:33] MarkB2: which problem? [11:34] If "nohotplug" isn't specified, pandemonium would result shortly after boot. ext_get_inode() would go nuts... [11:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Many messages of the form "ext2_get_inode: bad inode number" then it would start spewing out large numbers. [11:35] wertik_rus (~wertik@93-80-201-52.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:35] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.74) joined ##slackware. [11:35] But that only happened on the hard disk boot. Booting from the DVD or CD worked fine. [11:35] Putting "nohotplug" (it took two DAYS to find that) solved that problem. [11:35] Now I have ether running... and the mouse.. and so far so good. [11:35] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [11:36] But this last problem with X has me stumped. [11:37] MarkB2: What problem? Please can you describe it? [11:37] Hardware: HP Pavilion a1240n. This machine has video on the motherboard but no monitor is connected there. I have a GeForce 6200 plugged in... [11:38] Running "startx" produces two black displays with one flashing a symbol that makes me think the sync's aren't proper. [11:38] nohotplug is a kernel param? [11:38] But once those black screens ... have to power cycle the computer to regain control. [11:38] nohotplug is a boot param. [11:38] never heard of it, what's it do? [11:39] Did Slack 13 ship with an IRC client? [11:40] I .. believe that option (defaulted on) probes hardware for hot-pluggable devices. [11:40] MarkB2: Yes, epic(1) [11:40] MarkB2, what is this, a kernel param? I am not finding it in the docs.... [11:41] and irssi and emacs' built in one (and probably more) [11:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:41] Mel-nix; ALright... I'm in Windows now.. let me shift to Slack so I can be looking at the subject matter. [11:41] MarkB2 (pirch@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:41] irssi/xchat/epic [11:42] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.60.186) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@93-80-201-52.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:46] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:48] Thom1 (~thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:48] mbecker (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] I think this is still working... [11:50] (could someone ..write.. something.. please...?) [11:50] test ? [11:50] Thank you. [11:50] One upon a time, there was a guy who was testing his irc cleint. [11:50] :) [11:51] Action: mbecker would luse his mind if the IRC client under Slack 13 was "one-way".. [11:51] one true way [11:51] Nick change: mbecker -> MarkB [11:51] It was originally supposed to be a client, but it was put together badly, so instead it was a cleint [11:51] Nick change: MarkB -> MarkB2 [11:51] Thom1 (~thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] I find mention of nohotplug in /etc/rc.d/rc.M .. my specifying that seems to restore order to the boot process.. [11:53] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:53] Otherwise, there's pandemonium in the kernel, eventually leaving me with a 99.4% dead system only responding to CTRL ALT HOME. [11:54] nohotplug isn't a linux kernel param!? [11:54] I have an NVidia 6200 as the primary video interface. Starting X produces black screens.. so I'm trying to get an xorg.conf file built. [11:55] mancha: nohotplug is something picked up in /etc/rc.d/rc.M . [11:55] If I read the comment right, it restarts udev (?) [11:56] DareDevil0 (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] When looking at the X log file, I find many ModeLine statements.. all I can think of is that X is getting the sync wrong.. but do not know how to specify sync polarity. [11:56] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-184.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] how about grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [11:56] OK. Back in a moment.. [11:57] MarkB2: Are you using the nvidia drivers? [11:57] good morning eviljames. [11:57] If that is fruitless, take a peek through ~/.xsession-errors [11:57] acidchild: and a gooey morning to you too! [11:57] :D [11:57] :> [11:57] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [11:57] Not a problem. [11:58] ok, how about grep -i nv /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:58] Chances are you are using the 'nv' driver and it's just not able to get the EDID from your monitor. [11:58] Either use nouveau or the nvidia drivers. [11:58] There is no .xsession-errors file . [11:58] One moment. [11:59] Many lines containing "nv" in that greap. [11:59] ..grep. [11:59] Action: acidchild waits at the edge of his seat very eager for MarkB2's critical trouble shooting data. [12:00] eviljames: are you excited too? [12:00] [12:00] Please be nice. [12:00] Action: acidchild is nice ;) [12:00] Where was I...? [12:01] i dunno, i lost your planner. [12:02] Lets see.. X -configure finds the nv interface.. spits up all kinds of interesting information.. I think I saw "EDID" in the pile of output.. let me grep for it. [12:02] Seriously, don't use the 'nv' driver. [12:02] indeed, download the nvidia driver from their website and install it. [12:02] It found it twice. [12:02] then read the README [12:02] hi, i've a strange behaviour, all works well in my machine, i have a 2.6.33 kernel... when i insert a blank cd or a burned one, i get this errors in messages: Mar 30 17:08:28 lounge kernel: sr 2:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : 0x5 [current] Mar 30 17:08:28 lounge kernel: sr 2:0:1:0: [sr0] ASC=0x64 ASCQ=0x0 [12:02] Even nvidia is telling people to use either the proprietary driver or vesa [12:03] use the default (or working xorg.conf) on your system and work though the readme or a nvidia xorg howto on a wiki/website somewhere. [12:03] MarkB2: wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.15/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.15-pkg1.run [12:03] I think I did that download.. let me check.. [12:03] has anyone the same behaviour? [12:03] Shuren: yes. [12:03] are you having issues burning a CD? [12:04] MarkB2: run it as root without X running. [12:04] sh NVIDIA*.bin [12:04] acidchild, thank's, than maybe is libata... no, no issues, all works fine [12:04] Shuren: i think it hal [12:04] mmm [12:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:04] should't the /tmp file to be empty when i restart my computer? [12:04] nope. [12:05] i search for that, thank's [12:05] Shuren: /etc/rc.d/rc.hal(d) [12:05] Sunavab*... I have to be ROOT to look at the WinXP partition? [12:05] its going to be 'dbus' or 'hal' or 'udev' [12:05] MarkB2: depends on what options you mounted it with 'man fstab' [12:06] eviljames: hows the weather? [12:06] acidchild: is there any script i have to touch to clean /tmp everytime i reboot? [12:06] you make one [12:06] Alright.. I have the download... execute as root? [12:06] mancha++ [12:06] i would suggest reading 'man shred' also. [12:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Isn't that what clear_tmp_enable="YES" does in /etc/rc.conf? [12:07] what rc.conf? [12:07] D'oh. [12:07] Wrong channel. [12:07] indeed. [12:07] :P [12:07] Sorry, think ##freebsd :-) [12:07] s/think/thinking/ [12:07] uupsss mancha don't get angry for the stupid question sorry [12:07] Dare, not angry, just answering it [12:07] DareDevil0: how did mancha get angry? he said 3 words. [12:08] your a very fragile person it seems. [12:08] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:09] anyways, time to do 'halt' and throw the computer in the back of the moving truck... maybe see you all in a few weeks! depending on how the internet works at the new place ;< [12:09] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Well, I ran it. [12:09] keep in mind that different processes use /tmp for important things, kde, ssh, etc. so don't just rm willy nilly in your boot script [12:09] acidchild: mancha i am just joking mancha knows why [12:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-178-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Uh, where did it put the "readme" file? [12:10] [12:11] Oh, of course. There is NO readme file. [12:11] Solves that problem right off the bat. [12:11] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Well, lets see what happens. [12:11] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [12:12] acidchild: rainy. I guess that's what I get for living in the middle of a rainforest... [12:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] acidchild: how about in your neck of the woods? [12:14] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.243) joined ##slackware. [12:15] mancha: so i should clean the /tmp directory by myself [12:15] I am just saying, your cleanup sript should be smarter than rm -rf /tmp/* [12:15] mancha: because i wil not know which files keep there and which one not, i mean the slackbuilds i have done i don't need it anymore [12:16] i would keep /tmp clean manually yes... [12:16] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [12:16] acidchild: aww, you'll be gone for a period of time? that's saddening :( [12:16] mancha: well ok thanks [12:17] if you build using bash build scripts, make it use /tmp/DareDevil as target. then you know all you need to do is rm /tmp/Daredevil, not all /tmp [12:17] mancha: uuhmm sounds good [12:17] i guess that is what i will do [12:19] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:23] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16A39.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Well, that was enlightening. [12:25] "Welcome to Pwnville". [12:26] pwnz0r3d ? [12:26] The NVidia driver found both displays, properly identified both of them.. (according to the log file) then crashed my system to where power cycling was required to regain control. [12:26] CTRL ALT Backspace did not restore order.. nor attempting to switch to a different virtual terminal. [12:27] alt+sysrq+R+E [12:27] DareDevil0 (~linux@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:28] MarkB2: I used to get black screens with the intel(4) driver. Later things got better since the release version `2.6.32.8' of the kernel. [12:29] trhodes: This is going to sound dumb.. but what is the order of typing all that? ALT+sysrq then the "R" then the "E"? [12:29] MarkB2: Hold alt+sysrq (enabling the Magic SysRq key) and press R [wait 2 seconds] E [wait 2 seconds] then release the magic Sysrq key [12:29] Is Magic SysRq (tm) ? [12:29] yeah ^^ thanks [12:30] eviljames is a better typist than I right now :) [12:30] maybe all the time :P [12:30] I make my fair share of typos... [12:30] Let's just say I've been noobfarmed once or twice :P [12:31] busier backwards is a handy keysequence to know [12:32] alt+sysrq+r,e,i,s,u,b to enter raw mode, send tErm to processes, kIll all processes, Sync disks, Unmount everything, and reBoot (h for help on a tty) [12:32] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:32] anyways, just yankin' the power is as fast most of the time [12:33] Unless you're in the middle of a write to an ext4 filesystem and it toasts all your data. [12:33] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] yeah, that's why those keys are great [12:33] WOW. [12:33] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:33] [12:33] No fsck on restart required. THANK YOU! [12:34] it's pretty fast on xfs, fwiw [12:34] The only thing I had to do was re-run the network stuff.. but that was *trivial* to a double reboot. [12:35] I think I see what's going on.. the driver is running to the motherboard video instead of the 6200. [12:36] Geeze.. there's near NOTHING in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:37] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-205-238-198-106-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] omfg, are you serious??? [12:38] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:38] What do you mean, "are you serious?" The xorg.conf file has so little in it.. it's silly. [12:38] MarkB: Which is your on-board graphics chip? [12:38] Intel 910 [12:39] But THAT isn't even mentioned in the xorg.conf file. [12:39] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] let me check the x log file. [12:39] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16A39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:39] Nope.. no intel in there either. [12:40] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:40] that's because you don't need a xorg.conf with the intel driver [12:40] I don't remember Slack 12 being anywhere NEAR this complicated to set up. [12:41] how is "you don't need a xorg.conf, it works automatically" more complicated? [12:41] thrice`: because it's NOT working automatically... [12:41] I remember running xf86config .. and THEN it worked automatically. [12:41] then paste your xorg log and quit bitching about things "not working" or "being too hard" [12:42] cool, so X configuration has changed in the last 3 years? the horror [12:42] I would be HAPPY to paste it. (no, I'm not being sarcastic). Where to paste it to? [12:42] pastebin.ca [12:42] and it'll be /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:43] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] (sprunge.us is my new favorite pastebin for X troubles) [12:44] "He has information! I can sprunge it!" [12:44] Have to write the file to Windows-side, start windows.. is there something non-X based that I can use to get it up from the Linux side of this? [12:44] Already tried lynx .. "500 Server Error". [12:44] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us [12:45] whoops, with one pipe [12:45] OK.. one moment.. [12:45] MarkB2: Try links(1) and see. [12:45] before that, I had to use gnu screen + lynx [12:46] lost the mouse in the ALT SYSRQ keycombination. [12:46] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:47] "YPJM" [12:48] http://sprunge.us/YPJM ftfy [12:48] No manual entry for sprunge ? [12:48] A dyslexic sponge? [12:51] MarkB: I just checked http://pastebin.ca/ : 500 - Internal Server Error [12:51] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-84-242.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:52] huh, how about that... [12:52] Mel-nix: I just tried links(1) and got the same 500 Internal Server Error. [12:52] OK.. how about ?what? [12:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-84-242.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [12:53] slackin (~slackin@183.153.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:53] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-84-242.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:53] mark are you running hal? [12:54] there are a ton of pastebins, try another [12:54] a ps ax | grep hal is empty. [12:54] I would say not. Let me check dmesg . [12:55] hald is not running. [12:55] that's a problem [12:55] It should be running. [12:55] so start it :) [12:55] and delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file [12:56] btw, thrice`, http://sprunge.us/YPJM was his Xorg.*.log [12:56] oh, oops [12:56] hald is now running. [12:56] Oh. It got killed when I used ALT SYSRQ to regain control [12:57] oh yeah, you probably ought to go to runlevel 1 and back (to 3) or possibly reboot [12:57] back in a few... [12:57] rc.messagebus is another thing you'd want running, if you get X working [12:58] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [12:58] Sounds like time for a complete reboot. [12:58] Back shortly. [12:58] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [13:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [13:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:02] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-gohpmchfvrtyysek) joined ##slackware. [13:03] lesser (~lesser@218.107.49.198) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:10] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] It .. go... >boom< [13:10] However.. [13:11] Now I have two screens.. one is frozen with an error message on it, the other I'm typing on. [13:11] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-29-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:11] The first "EE" is: Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [13:12] Did you create an xorg.conf file? [13:12] Next is: Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found0 [13:12] No, apparently, you didn't :-) [13:12] No. xorg.conf was renamed (per someone's direction). [13:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:12] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:12] Well you need an xorg.conf to use the nvidia drivers. [13:12] j0z (~j0z@189.115.86.243) joined ##slackware. [13:12] MarkB, what does "dmesg | grep VGA" say ? [13:12] I get the fbdev error when I don't have xorg.conf telling my comp to use fglrx drivers [13:12] j0z (~j0z@189.115.86.243) left irc: Changing host [13:12] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:13] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:13] Now he tells me. Okay.. let me check dmesg & VGA.. [13:13] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [13:13] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] It says "Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 [13:13] eer [13:14] /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [13:14] Sounds like the nvidia drivers are installed, you're just not using them because you don't have an xorg.conf file. [13:14] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] gtludwig (~gtludwig@150.162.165.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:14] adamk_: I'll accept that. I should do 'X -configure' and let it do it? [13:14] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:14] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] That would create one with the 'nv' drivers, most likely. You could then edit that to switch to 'nvidia' [13:15] D*mn it. I've lost the mouse again. [13:15] OR, I believe, the nvidia drivers come with some utility to do that automaticall. [13:15] automatically, even. [13:15] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:17] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:17] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:18] OK.. I just ran "X -configure" and it created a new xorg.conf file in ~root. changing the "nv" to "nvidia" should solve this problem? [13:18] Well it will tell X to use the nvidia drivers, anyway. [13:18] I can't guarantee that it will work 100% [13:18] (now, if it were THAT easy, someone would have pointed me at an FAQ somewhere...) [13:19] Coke (~peter@1-1-1-8a.asp.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [13:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:20] I know right now that it won't .. because the configuration added stuff for the Intel 910 motherboard video. [13:20] Huh? [13:20] Shall I post the new xorg.conf file? [13:21] Please. [13:22] Nick change: qt-x -> qt-y [13:22] Nick change: qt-y -> qt-x [13:23] Can someone post that "splunge" line again? Now I can cut & paste with the mouse. [13:23] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us [13:23] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:24] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:24] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:24] http://sprunge.us/TJBI [13:25] anyone notice a bug in opera? whenever you click on a search result in google, and try to go back to the results page, it doesn't work. [13:25] Oh.. you want the LOG file. [13:25] No, I just copied and pasted from above. [13:25] :-) [13:25] OK. [13:25] THe xorg.conf is fine. [13:25] Are you trying to use both the nvidia and intel GPUs at the same time? [13:25] No. [13:25] Good. [13:25] I want NO part of the Intel GPU. [13:25] I wish I could turn it completely off.. but this contraption doesn't have that capability. [13:26] Nick change: qt-x -> em [13:26] Nick change: em -> qt-x [13:27] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:27] You see, there are TWO displays plugged into the 6200. One goes into the SVGA port, the other into the DVI port through an adapter. [13:27] MarkB: Backup your xorg.conf file and try this one: http://sprunge.us/eSQa [13:27] Yeah, the xorg.conf file I just gave you should activate the DVI I think. [13:28] Nick change: qt-x -> nume [13:28] You can then use nvidia-settings to enable twinview with other. [13:28] Umm.. How can I get it? lines and lynx both get 500 Server Errors. [13:28] Bah. [13:28] One second. [13:29] Well lynx works here. [13:29] You could use wget and then rename the file. [13:29] Alright.. I'll try it again. [13:29] Nick change: nume -> qt-x [13:29] or curl [13:29] Yeah, or curl. [13:29] curl http://sprunge.us/eSQa > xorg.conf #kind of thing [13:30] Nick change: qt-x -> potato_reveald [13:30] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [13:31] potato_reveald (c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-gohpmchfvrtyysek) left ##slackware. [13:33] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] >ouch< [13:33] That was ..painful. [13:33] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [13:34] I guess that didn't go as planned? [13:34] Both displays went black... a moment later, while I was looking at black displays, both FLASHED BRIGHT WHITE at me. [13:34] I still have the purple afterimage. [13:35] I'm pleased, though, to report that ALT SYSRQ did the job.. [13:35] that's their way of saying how grateful they are for being configured properly [13:35] Action: MarkB needs a short script to restore order when things go bang like that. [13:35] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:35] Will work on that later. [13:35] trhodes: Somehow, that sounds about right... [13:36] There was just ..one.. flash. Both of 'em at the same time. [13:36] Heh... I've never even heard of that before. [13:36] Sounds like the nvidia drivers really dislike your computer. [13:36] what you don't know is that in that apparent flash of light, the phrase "BUY HP PRODUCTS" flashed every 9th frame [13:36] I can't help but wonder if there is some sort of conflict between them and the onboard intel GPU. [13:37] let me look at the log file. [13:37] You could pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [13:37] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Yeah, but whatever error occurred may not have been written to /var/log/Xorg.0.log before the machine locked up. [13:37] I'd have to say in addition to adamk_, that forcibly disabling the onboard GPU in the BIOS might be a good idea. [13:37] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] you said you can't, you mean you cannot in the BIOS ? [13:38] There's no BIOS option for doing that. All I can do is set it primary or secondary. [13:38] bummer [13:38] I have the log file from the strobe session. [13:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Weird, I thought most modern bios would let you enable/disable anything at will. [13:39] It got as far as announcing it was loading the GLX stuff.. then >poof< [13:39] Black screen... then FLASH [13:39] they should, i have a buggy POS that doesn't enable usb on boot [13:39] BIOS updates might be worth looking for [13:40] flashing bios *shudder* .. that's a good way to end up with a very expensive paperweight. [13:40] MarkB: Just to double check but this is slackware 13.0 not -current, correct? [13:40] adamk_: You are correct.. this is not -current. [13:40] So no nouveau conflict, then. [13:40] eviljames: It's just for THAT reason I have a 650 VA UPS on the computer. [13:41] I am not familar with 'nouveau'. [13:41] it's new *rimshot* [13:41] It's an open source reverse engineered driver for nvidia cards. [13:41] And it conflicts with the nvidia driver, but it's no in 13.0 [13:41] s/no/not/ [13:42] Oh joy. Someone's been going through assembly code and bitmapping the driver. [13:42] Can I set the xorg.conf file to use 1024 x 768 instead of 1280 x 1024? [13:42] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Client Quit [13:42] Heh... IN your case it might work better than the nvidia drivers. [13:42] MarkB: You *might* be able to use 'nv' and specify a Modeline, but I have no idea if that's supported with 'nv' [13:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:43] MarkB: If you edit the xorg.conf file again and switch back to 'nv' I assume X starts up for you again? [13:43] Can you send me an example of an xorg.conf file with a ModeLine in it? I have the list of display-acceptable mode lines from running X -configure . They show up in the log file. [13:44] I bet X will start up all right... but leave one display complaining (I think) about sync and the other black. [13:44] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:44] But , hey, I'll try anything a half-dozen times. [13:44] Right, nv doesn't support multiple displays, as far as I know. [13:44] Hmmm.. [13:45] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [13:47] Coke (~peter@1-1-1-8a.asp.sth.bostream.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:48] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] mbecker (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Nick change: mbecker -> MarkB [13:48] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] nv only supports opening a browser to download the binary driver from nvidia.com :) [13:48] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:49] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:49] Heh.... [13:49] And nvidia has officially stopped supporting nv' [13:49] sahk0: Nice. [13:49] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] MarkB: You can try this: http://sprunge.us/NGje [13:49] It can't find a fbdev module. [13:49] MarkB: I *believe* that's the old way to specify a modeline and use that as a mode. [13:49] You safely ignore that fbdev module. [13:49] It also failed to initialize a GLX extension (compatible NVIDIA X driver not found0 [13:50] Yeah, that's because you have the nvidia glx extension installed, but you're using 'nv' [13:50] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [13:50] That should be safe to ignore as you won't have 3D acceleration with 'nv' either way. [13:51] Hey! lynx came up and fetched the page! How can I save it?? [13:51] follow the prompts [13:51] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Hit 'p' to print. One of the options is to save to a local file. [13:52] Used wget. Huh.. Now that's workign. [13:52] working, too. [13:54] The xorg.conf file is giving you 1280x1024 on one of the monitors? [13:54] It's giving me 1280 x 1024 on BOTH monitors. But I think it's getting the sync wrong. [13:55] That modeline is for 1280x1024 @ 60. [13:55] You can create a new modeline with cvt, and adjust the xorg.conf file accordingly. [13:55] I see it. I have a slew of them from when X tries to generate a configuration. [13:55] cvt? [13:56] Found that. [13:56] Just a modeline generator. [13:56] Gee.. I haven't been this close to a text-only OS since ... since DOS 3.21 [13:56] lol [13:57] You are one of the unlucky ones. Usually Xorg setup is not this complicated. [13:57] Hmm.. I wonder if I unplugged the 6200 and went straight to the onboard video, if everything would come up and run. [13:57] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:58] IF you removed the xorg.conf file, and used just the onboard, it would probably work just fine. [13:58] If you removed the nvidia drivers, 3D would probably also work with the onboard, though it'd likely be slower than with the nvidia [13:58] Onboard video has something like 64M carved out of main memory. [13:58] Alright.. I'm going to fiddle with this later. [13:58] Mainly as I'd better get to work. [13:58] anyone use gpg + mutt? [13:59] how do i decrypt the messages within mutt? [13:59] adamk_: Yours and everyone elses time on this is greatly appreciated. [13:59] Heh. Well I wish you luck however you decide to proceed. [13:59] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:59] Action: MarkB wonders if ATI boards are any cleaner. [14:00] Cheers to all... [14:00] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? 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[14:23] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-xfzvxqlpgtikquny) joined ##slackware. [14:26] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.98) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:34] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Axius (~hi@92.82.74.30) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:37] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:40] ChArLoK_16 (~chatzilla@82.137.203.132) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [14:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Hi. [14:41] If anybody remembers / even remotely cares. I just did a check up. It seems I've only lose music and they are recoverable. Dunno what else I lost. :| [14:42] riza: what ? [14:42] xsamurai, you weren't here earlier. [14:42] Just about 2-3 hours ago. [14:42] i remember you having a data loss, but didn't know what was up [14:42] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [14:42] trhodes, just audio. [14:42] I dunno if I lost data from the other categories, doesn't seem like it. [14:43] painful [14:43] Very. [14:43] Are you /sure/ the data is lost? [14:44] Not sure. But ls -a doesn't show up my albums. [14:44] you guys think diff will help? [14:44] like.. physical drive failure, or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda or something? [14:44] powerdown in the middle of a huge copy op? [14:44] I would go nuts if this is a physical hard drive failure. These drives are relatively.. new. [14:44] i used a recovery tool to restore a trashed drive once , forgot the name, im sure alienbob will remember the name [14:44] Nothing like that. [14:45] But alienbob said I was insane for literally using cut and paste with GUI on a large amount of data. [14:45] Have you replaced the partitions / put any new data on it? [14:45] I guess he's right. [14:45] 100% right. Cut is destructive. [14:45] rsync [14:45] I'm not worried about recovering music. [14:45] Just gotta find out what I lost by using compare with my backup and restore form there. <3 [14:45] xsamurai: ddrescue perhaps [14:46] i once had an 80gb maxtor drive die on me the same day i got it. [14:46] but it was due to a power outage [14:46] I'm writing a front end for rsync and using popen to open the rsync executable and parse its output. I get this error when rsync tries to run.. recreate_mmaps_after_fork_failed . Here's my code http://pastebin.com/m4NfNyaf [14:46] riza: That's what backups are for. Also, don't use a GUI for manipulating lots of data. [14:46] Acknowledged. [14:46] [14:46] alienBOB: either that or testdisk [14:46] Thatd..be the wrong chan [14:47] I can use rsync for a large amount of data yep? [14:47] cant remember its been awhile but i got my data back thankfully [14:47] sure [14:47] yes [14:47] Going to rsync one truecrypt to another truecrypt. [14:47] xsamurai, great to hear. :) [14:47] The beauty of rsync is that it is intelligent, if you abort it, and restart, it will skip all that"s uptodate [14:47] "rsync --av /media/truecrypt1/ /media/truecrypt3/" looks correct. [14:47] riza: try testdisk , i think thats what i used to recover my data [14:48] Yep. [14:48] one dash [14:48] One dash. [14:48] <3 [14:48] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Okay this is gonna kill me. [14:50] rsyncing about 1tb worth of stuff. [14:51] So you guys like diff or no? [14:51] For comparing directories. [14:51] It can call me a moron while it does so. :| [14:51] text only, sure [14:51] riza: Depends on what you're comparing. [14:51] diff -Naur for text [14:51] Just directories. What files are there and aren't there. [14:51] Don't need to compare literal file to file. [14:51] riza: rsync -n [14:52] iff's fine [14:52] rsync -n (--dry-run) will tell you what files are present (and different) in two directories. [14:53] or you can use diff -qr as well [14:53] Looking up -n. [14:53] Trial run. [14:53] Okay I see. [14:55] Okay to compare two, just making sure I understand it. rsync -nva dir1 dir2 [14:55] Yeah? [14:55] Trial run of archiving. [14:55] yes [14:55] MY RAP MUSIC! [14:55] <:O [14:56] Friedrich Nietzsche - Will to Power/ is gone too! [14:56] Hum.. strange. [14:56] Action: riza thank you Alan_Hicks. [14:57] It is strange that you would consider rap to be music. [14:57] i knew alan couldn't resist :P [14:57] ;p I just have old school music. [14:57] I was just kidding about the rap music. [14:57] Rap isn't old school. [14:57] pplcanfly (~iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [14:57] 95% of rap is crap but there are a few good ones out there ya know. [14:58] No, I don't know. Rap is crap. End of story. [14:58] lol [14:58] :> [14:58] Jazz, blues, 80s rock, metal rock are good though. [14:59] No thank you. [14:59] Reason I like rap is this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxV4iVuRJTU [14:59] :D That's pretty damn good. [14:59] Sounds like sheet metal scraping together. [14:59] D: [15:00] What about original? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjyBUEEtIvI [15:00] And WTF does the eye of Sauron have to do with rap? [15:00] but it was due to being a maxtor [15:00] early rap has some good stuff. electro rap stuff [15:00] sahk0, ya. [15:00] this remix is crap [15:00] jeev, Maxtor is a good brand no? Strange. [15:00] biker (~biker@201.170.195.73.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] sahk0, hey hey, I was just citing an example of rap I like. [15:00] lol [15:01] wow, my backscroll was bad [15:01] riza: Here. Real music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdYzVFClHyg [15:01] hahahaha [15:01] Alan_Hicks, isn't your real music "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran" / [15:01] Action: riza listens. [15:01] lol [15:01] jeev: no [15:01] just your ringtone [15:01] :) [15:01] riza, maxtor is NOT a good brand [15:01] i used to respect seagate too.. till their 1.5tb's started to fail [15:02] That song was written and performed by the greatest song writer to ever live since Hank Williams hisself. [15:02] ...., i thought yanni was the greatest song writer to ever live [15:02] jeev, yikes. [15:02] xsamurai: Never heard of her. [15:02] who wrote the famous rap: god damn america [15:02] country? i had you pegged for something like classical or opera [15:02] Alan_Hicks, if that is the kind of music you like, you have to listen tot his - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adQK5k_0sk [15:02] This is really good. [15:03] riza: Not a huge Eagles fan. [15:03] Hotel California, oooh. [15:03] Action: riza sings along. [15:03] lol Psh now I know you don't like anything about me. [15:03] And I'm a New Yawker. [15:03] Action: riza rocks on. [15:03] Here. One of the best "Got drunk and mad" songs ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oadm3K4aeo&feature=related [15:03] xsamurai, i'm a big yanni fan. [15:04] lol [15:04] shut up [15:04] jeev: i bet, he makes good goat music [15:04] you can't expect people like Alan_Hicks to know who yanni is :) [15:04] it was either P. Giddy Oh or Jeremiah Diddy Wright [15:04] I love Yanni. [15:04] can't recall [15:04] is it the tight pants or the chest hair that attracts you [15:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:04] yanni - live at the acropolis = the greatest concert ever [15:04] mancha, Diddy Wright. xD [15:04] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:04] xsamurai, my musical talents [15:04] yanni sucks. iannis xenakis is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI [15:04] Better? lol [15:04] That's like saying who is better, a redhead or blonde. [15:05] They are each good in their own right. [15:05] redheads. [15:05] riza, the important question: do the carpets match the drapes! [15:05] xD [15:05] who the hell is iannis xenakis, that shit aint newage [15:05] Action: riza nods. [15:05] bottle blondes are not good mojo [15:05] Alan_Hicks, you seem to be what we northerners call rednecks. [15:05] riza, it's not only northerners [15:05] hahaha [15:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [15:06] his alarm doesn't have a bell, it has larry the cable guy saying "Git er doneeee" [15:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI [15:06] that's sex [15:06] riza: You seem to be what we rednecks call Damnyankees. [15:06] LOL [15:07] Action: riza doesn't want to mess with Alan_Hicks. [15:07] I'm a NRA member and I shoot but I can't beat a redneck who shoots everything. [15:07] In Canada, we refer to all murricans as "damnyankees" :P [15:07] We only get to shoot at range. [15:07] lol [15:07] We call Canadians our hat. [15:07] riza, damn right. be careful, he has 500000 rounds of ammo's cause apparently the country has been taken over to him [15:07] of ammo [15:07] And Europeans yurpeens. [15:07] riza: Jealousy is a terrible thing. [15:07] eviljames: Here we shoot people that call us that. [15:07] Action: riza hides behind a column of marble and yells "I SURRENDER!" [15:08] <:) [15:08] and then eat th em [15:08] jeev: Believe it or not, I'm a classical music fan when the mood hits me. [15:08] we shoot all those who cannot pronounce the letter "O" [15:08] really [15:08] mancha: orly? [15:08] lool [15:08] jeev, I love Mozart. Do you listen to Bach? [15:08] ooorly [15:08] i listen to most, yes [15:08] jeev: And I do not have 500000 rounds of ammo. [15:08] Alan_Hicks: Lots of people express surprise when I tell them my favorite types of music are technical/death metal and jazz. [15:08] Alan_Hicks, that's the stereotype about southerners. [15:09] Northerners have stereotype too. [15:09] We're too soft. We worry too much about money. We are cold, etc. [15:09] Stereotypes. [15:09] new yawkas don't drink black coffee [15:09] kwafee twalk [15:09] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [15:09] classical music is only good when you are speeding 100+ on the freeway [15:09] At this time... I have a few hundred shells of bird shot in 12, 16, and 20 gauge, 5 rounds of 00 buck in 3" 12 gauge shells, a box of 20 Remington soft lead .30-30, 13 rounds of Hornady Leverevolution .30-30, 75 rounds of lead nose .45 Long Colt, and 50 rounds of .45 Long Colt Golden Saber jacketed hollow points. [15:10] I got none though I like your choice. [15:10] and a place to shoot :) [15:10] Action: alienBOB listening to "Conquest of rar" ... really [15:10] Alan_Hicks, I talked about this with someone on a political forum before. No point in having shotties or the kind of weapons you folks have. [15:10] why would you want hollow points? [15:10] By the Lounge Lizards [15:10] If an invasion came, they would just carpet bomb you all before sending in the infantries. [15:10] alienBOB: Lounge Lizards?! Seriously?! That's their name?! [15:10] me thinks alan is the outdoors / hunter type, not so militant [15:11] Alan_Hicks, that's their argument against the second amendment as well. [15:11] riza: Yeah, that's working so well in Afganistan and Iraq. [15:11] trhodes, many hunters are great shooters. Just treat humans like turkey and you win. [15:11] Alan_Hicks: yep ;-) [15:11] Alan_Hicks, not sure they are carpet bombing civies but a full blown war, civies are up as well. [15:11] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:11] alienBOB: hahaha! That's like naming your band, Truck Stop Whores. [15:11] that's probably a band [15:12] <--- armchair general, read too much Clausewitz. [15:12] ok, so i'm looking to use MindTouch/dekiwiki here at work, and the startup script does: su -s /bin/bash -c "exec path_to_mono_and_args " apache -that should just run the process as the apache user, right? [15:12] mag0o: Yes. [15:13] And took polsci classes. The idea of war is to obliterate your enemy. The Iraq War and Afghanistan War is a new kind of war which even the DoD had to completely restructure their plans around. For example, USMC as far as I know don't train for beachhead taking anymore. F22 programs got cut down. Don't need a fast plane to target a terrorist when old planes work, etc. And we always have diplomacy to work out problems with large nations. [15:13] thanks Alan_Hicks [15:13] Sorry offtopic. I will stop now. [15:13] riza, dont stop [15:13] D: I'll be willing to discuss it in another room tho. [15:13] riza: ##slackware-offtopic [15:13] there are two things about war, what you tell your people and what you do to the target [15:13] ok bah gay [15:14] magnifico [15:14] jeev: offtopic is in fact offtopic [15:14] eviljames, stop being offtopic by offering your ideaology about offtopicness [15:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jjVrFRsUY made me like bluegrass [15:16] pplcanfly (~iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:16] hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [15:16] ut: Yeah, now that's music! [15:16] Those girls on the mandolin and banjo are purty too. [15:16] looks like the new york stock exchange [15:17] the floor [15:17] heheh [15:17] jeev, you can't come to ##slackware-offtopic? [15:17] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:17] Possibly my very favorite mucision of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQOCJ4SUSk [15:18] Alan_Hicks, i'm sorry for all the things i've said to you. now i know why you're like that! [15:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:18] . [15:19] by the way, i'd boink the shit out of carrie underwood [15:19] jeev: hahaha [15:19] Who's carrie underwood? [15:19] really [15:19] Really. [15:19] some hot chick country singer [15:19] American Idle "winner" [15:19] Alan_Hicks: I have new respect for you. [15:19] Alan_Hicks, nice link [15:19] no [sic] there, Spelling is correct. [15:20] Action: ut didn't know until some guy mentioned her trying to make smalltalk [15:20] I have a gf. She has no shame, and watches idle. [15:20] jeev: Are you sure she sings country? [15:20] i dont watch idol [15:20] i dont know Alan_Hicks, i dont care. she's hot [15:20] eviljames: shame her! [15:20] Action: alienBOB throws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3MbP1vQUR8 in as one of his faves [15:20] "Carrie Underwood - Temporary Home" This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. [15:20] that sucks [15:20] Alan_Hicks: She's not a country singer. It's pop. [15:21] Alan_Hicks: country-flavoured pop. [15:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:21] eviljames: No wonder. I don't listen to that dog squeeze. [15:21] alienBOB, o_O [15:21] wtf man, really. wtf? [15:21] Alternativly if that scared ya, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMZNpBC7tfQ [15:24] Or the other side of the spectrum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIXV2NhLb_0 [15:24] Alan_Hicks: Country took a serious, sharp downhill turn with Garth Brooks and Shania Twain.. all the pop-crossover bullshit that made piles of money. [15:24] I'll stop now ;-) [15:24] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:24] eviljames: Amen. [15:27] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [15:29] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.14.31) joined ##slackware. [15:29] How can I turn off the login/logout sounds in slack -current? [15:30] Very carefully. [15:30] InTel_GB, kde? [15:30] Configure KDE not to make those sounds [15:30] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [15:30] yes [15:30] it's in notifications [15:31] iirc [15:31] yes its there [15:31] hei i lost my girl [15:31] go out, find another one [15:31] you had one? [15:32] whats a girl ? [15:32] xsamurai, its like porn, but real [15:32] yep [15:32] alienBOB: system settings? [15:32] am i in it ? [15:32] Go find it InTel_GB [15:33] I am not spoonfeeding you, take it as a learning experience [15:33] if i found another girl ,that girl would not be the same right? [15:33] But yes, changing system settings happens in... systemsettings [15:33] InTel_GB, if you fallow the logical course of configuring notifications in system settings you will be good [15:34] werdan7 (~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) left irc: Ping timeout: 615 seconds [15:34] follow [15:35] another issue... i don't even try to get a new g. i liked she found me [15:38] rek: we feel sorry for your loss but get over it and move on ,unless she has some slackware related part on her , we really cant help you. Alan can suggest a good ol country song for moving on [15:38] I searched in the settings, but found nothing. In the net see that should turn off alsactl store? [15:39] No [15:41] System settings > Notifications > System Notifications > KDE System Notifications ... then disable logon and logoff sounds... how stupid is that [15:41] alienBOB, you gave the fish [15:41] There... I did it for you. Now, you wet yourself [15:41] 'how easy is that' [15:42] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:42] guax: I could not stand the idea of him asking yet another time [15:42] uheauheauhe [15:42] Thanks a lot [15:43] "here's your sign" [15:43] Maybe I should search more and more.. [15:43] Yes [15:43] Just follow the _logical_ path [15:44] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:44] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [15:44] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-184.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:45] if he was poking around in alsa, he wouldn't have had any sense of the layout of the system [15:46] a desktop environment vs an operating system, for example [15:46] Well, killing alsa gets rid of those sounds for sure... and more [15:46] rek (~riccardo@95.232.191.75) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:47] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.14.31) left ##slackware. [15:48] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:49] anyone tried slackware on beagleboard (arm)? [15:49] I'd need to have an ARM board first then ;-) [15:50] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.14.31) joined ##slackware. [15:50] alienBOB: :D [15:51] I saw something about an arm port of slackware, I think about this possibility :) [15:51] Yes, ARMedslack is actively developed in parallel with slackware-current [15:52] xMDKx: http://armedslack.org/ [15:52] Although MoZes is targeting the openrd / sheevaplug / guruplug at the moment [15:52] hum, goog, I'll take a looh on it, thanks alienBOB and Alan_Hicks [15:53] s/goog/good [15:53] MoZes is really the person to talk to about that. [15:53] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.83) joined ##slackware. [15:54] hm, MoZes? Thanks [15:54] Nick change: riza -> rizabot [15:55] shramm (~shramm@brln-4d0c5389.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] marge (~marge@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. 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[16:05] you just modprobe the driver [16:05] renice [16:06] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:06] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] marge: In nearly every modern distribution, the driver is automatically loaded. [16:06] marge: You're sure the driver isn't getting loaded? [16:07] THis is a 12.2 system. Just added a sound card. [16:07] update to 13.0 then 8-P [16:07] lol [16:07] THe old one did not work as expected. Have installed new one. [16:07] soundconfig or something like that? [16:08] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-205-238-198-106-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:08] use lspci to determine the card make [16:09] Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 [16:09] modprobe snd_emu10k1 && alsamixer <--- as root [16:09] 01:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port [16:09] 01:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 [16:10] just do what i told you :P [16:10] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-56-50-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] emu10k1 is a nice chipset, BTW [16:11] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.83) left irc: Quit: used WLIrc [16:13] indeed... i use one in my workstation at work :) [16:16] marge (~marge@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:17] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:19] hey mancha... do you use wpa2 with wicd? [16:20] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:21] i don't use wicd, i can answer wpa_supplicantQs though [16:22] i have a working wpa_supplicant.conf... trying to convert it to a wicd template, and failing pretty badly :) [16:22] the problem with wpa_supplicant, is that it starts when i start my laptop, which makes it take longer to boot if none of my configured networks are available. [16:23] my original thought was to just chmod -x rc.inet1, but it was suggested that i use wicd instead [16:23] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:24] i don't use the rc scripts [16:25] how do you do it then? [16:25] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [16:25] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [16:26] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.14.31) left ##slackware. [16:26] i have my own scripts written to start things. if i want to automatically start something i use rc.local [16:26] that makes sense [16:28] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:30] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Nick change: qt-x -> qt-y [16:33] bignorris (~user@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:33] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [16:33] bignorris (user@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [16:34] Nick change: qt-y -> qt-x [16:35] s0d0 (~sod@86.175.233.207) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:36] how do you get wpa_supplicant to connect to anny available network? 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[16:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-84-242.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:53] slackware 64 bit enlightenment how-to? does it make any sense? does it even exist? there's no 'enlightenment' in slackware 64bit slackpkg.. so how do i install it? download package, unpack, configure; make && make install? [16:54] mamma mia [16:54] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-56-50-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:54] :D [16:54] tell me [16:54] slackbuilds.com/repository/13.0/desktop/enlightenment/ [16:54] pl0x [16:54] werd [16:54] thx [16:55] i forgot how to use slackbuilds [16:55] time to remember then [16:56] gazj (~gary@78.149.9.112) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [16:58] cr3rzemjest, ./slackbuild after bringing in two packages. [16:59] rizabot (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rizabot [16:59] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] does it change anything if i set ARCH= to 64bit while doing this? [16:59] it will compile 64bit version or else [16:59] s0d0 (~sod@86.175.233.207) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] i mean x86_64 [17:01] i mean, will it work if i don't specify 64bit if i use 64bit slack? [17:02] yes? no? :D afaik it will work [17:03] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-uchznfmngjchonyg) joined ##slackware. [17:03] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] "We don not want a per-seat monthly fee system. We are looking for 20 seats minimum- GUI based- easy to upload lists, easy to use, easy to install for a agent" [17:04] so do they want to pay per seat, or not? [17:05] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:07] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [17:08] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [17:10] what do i do with the following error? [17:11] http://tinypaste.com/4aec9 [17:11] slackware search for ecore returned kdelibs[...] and eina-0 has no matches [17:12] so how do i install them? [17:12] kdelibs? [17:12] Install the appropriate slackbuilds. [17:12] For example, ecore: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=ecore&sv=13.0 [17:13] cr3rzemjest: you can use the easy_e17.sh script to install e17 on your machine too [17:13] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:14] ok, thx [17:14] is there any noticeable difference between e16 and e17? [17:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:14] adamk: but manually? somebody should make a script for downloading and installing slackbuilds :P [17:15] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-96-69.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] sbopkg? [17:16] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-199-224-122-141-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] wertik_ (~wertik@194.186.220.116) joined ##slackware. [17:17] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:17] ololol [17:17] mancha: thx [17:17] but it's in testing phase :/ [17:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala caindo fora [17:22] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] .... [17:22] based on? [17:23] ? [17:23] I'm currently working on an April 1st joke... it involves a small thin client running Slackware, squid with an URL rewriter, some bridging and ebtables.... I'm having so much fun even preparing this :D [17:23] EuroTrash, best april fools joke is to endorse ubunti [17:24] Yeah but this is the next best thing, heh. [17:25] I work for a small company, they run a few large social sites, they'll be freaked to find out some Iranian hacker group hacked their main source of profit :D [17:25] cr3rzemjest: *what* is still in "testing phase"? [17:26] wertik_ (~wertik@194.186.220.116) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:28] EuroTrash: pretty funny, if i was the owner i'd laugh my ass all the way to craigslist posting a new opening in the company [17:28] Please note that while sbopkg has performed well for many users, it is still in a testing phase. [17:28] BP{k}: [17:29] xsamurai: hah the company is fairly informal, and it will only affect that site on their _local_ network. [17:29] also, how do i find out what are the biggest packages so that i know what to remove? i run out of space :/ [17:29] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] need to move /home to other partitoin [17:29] *partition [17:29] with proftp, where do i set the root dir for the daemon? [17:29] yo, stop bitching already [17:30] Also they posted a nude pics hoax on it last year and made a good bit of money so I'm sure they can appreciate the humor :D [17:30] DefaultRoot or thereabouts [17:30] no docs on that [17:30] not in proftpd.1 [17:30] not in conf [17:30] could it be ~ftp? [17:30] a general user? [17:31] cr3rzemjest: hmm for biggest package .. give me a sec. that question popped up a while ago [17:31] ok [17:31] SunTsu, did your proftpd come with a doc dir? should have buttloads of htmls [17:32] nop [17:32] empty ~ftp [17:32] would be in /usr/doc/proftp.../doc/howto or summit [17:32] kk [17:32] if the package is not on hand, you'll need to write a script to look at files listed in /var/log/package_name and add up the files [17:33] xsamurai to whom? [17:33] SunTzu: not to you for sure =) [17:33] k [17:33] there should also be some sample confs in the doc dir somewhere... [17:33] the conf is in etc/ [17:33] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] can i haz reading comprehension? [17:34] sample confs there should be doc dir within [17:34] k [17:34] check out /usr/doc/proftp.../sample-configuration/ [17:35] ty [17:35] you might learn quicker though some examples [17:35] *through [17:35] i guess slackpkg clean-system woulndn't be a good idea [17:35] lol [17:36] cr3rzemjest: awk '/UNCOMPRESSED/ {print $4"\t"FILENAME}' /var/log/packages/* | sort -rn | less [17:36] BP{k}: what do i do with this? [17:36] cr3rzemjest: you run it. [17:36] ok [17:36] thx [17:37] it will give you a list of packages .. sorted by size. Don't thank me, thank trhodes for that. [17:37] thank you trhodes [17:37] :D [17:37] it seems kernel sources are the biggest [17:37] can i remove it? [17:37] i don't need to compile any kernels [17:37] yes and emacs and tcl and bind :) [17:38] well maybe not bind but dont run the nameserver [17:38] :) [17:39] BPk, do you have the others too? [17:39] there were like 4 1-liners that day [17:39] mancha: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0EQ9C881.html .. mine. [17:40] sahk0 had some nasty ones iirc [17:41] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-96-69.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:41] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:44] mancha: checking logs [17:45] cool :> [17:46] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [17:47] there was this one by NaCl " grep UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk -F: '{ print $NF " " $1}' | sed "s/^ *//" | awk '{printf "%8s %s\n",$1,$2}' | sort -rn | less " [17:48] sahk0 (i think it was him) has a pure awk (with a loop) and a few bash ones [17:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:51] doing nasty things in /var/log/packages/ ? no, not me [17:51] ok, sorry, it was siegeX [17:52] what was me? [17:52] a nasty awk loop to list the uncompressed package sizes in order [17:52] oh right [17:52] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [17:53] can you repaste it? [17:53] let me see if its in my bash history [17:54] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE/{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n<=i;n++){sub(/^0+/,"",arr[n]);print arr[n]}}' /var/log/packages/* [17:54] damn you beat me to it :) [17:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:55] that screams i es ugly [17:55] wow that's one crazy awk one-liner [17:56] well, technically you can make all awk programs one-liners but for readability sake it shouldnt be =) [17:56] nobody uses awk [17:56] hah [17:56] :D [17:56] yes offcourse but that holds true for C as well SiegeX [17:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tlviqwzxderamodd) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:56] not if you use preprocessor macros =) [17:57] :D [17:57] i only use macros when i need to impress a chick [17:58] fresh install of fedora12 comes with the gui package updater broken and over 900MB of updates required... [17:58] this one is a bit nicer, doesn't try to make awk do the sorting... [17:58] awk '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE/{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$4);print $4"\t"FILENAME}' /var/log/packages/* | sort -n [17:58] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:59] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [17:59] hcfd (~fed@host86-150-79-17.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:59] aah i thought there was a slash / missing in the first pattern of previous awk command [18:00] guess i was right [18:00] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:01] argh... [18:02] i rather see package first and then ... uncompressed package size [18:02] what's seamonkey for? looks like netscape in the 90's [18:02] just like when you use grep with -H or wildcards [18:02] i guess i can remove it too [18:02] its the old mozilla suite [18:03] but updated it uses the same rendering engine as a modern firefox [18:03] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:03] isn't it better to use firefox then? [18:03] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:03] i mean, why is it in slackware iso [18:04] seamonkey is a browser a mail client and a news rader [18:04] goarilla: where is the missing slash? [18:04] Siege, that was it, thanks. [18:04] aah crap sorry [18:04] it was on the next line [18:04] thing is in my irc client [18:04] 23:53 < SiegeX> awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE [18:04] SIZE/{ [18:05] i overlooked it since it was aligned with the time field [18:05] using bash's sort is mucho faster here. [18:05] mancha: as in --> | sort -n [18:05] ? [18:05] bash's sort ? isn't sort a seperate command and not a builtin [18:05] ya [18:05] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:05] biker_ (~biker@201.170.195.73.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] er coreutils [18:06] Siege, yeah, versus the awk sort [18:06] biker (~biker@201.170.195.73.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:06] Nick change: biker_ -> biker [18:07] configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [18:07] See `config.log' for more details. [18:07] there's no 'config.log' ... [18:07] at least not in current dir [18:07] configure.log? [18:07] what does it mean anyway [18:07] "C compiler cannot create executables" wtf? [18:07] confugure: error: cannot create config.log for previous error, see config-config.log [18:07] means you can;t compile [18:08] either it's gcc itself or the linker which is worse :D [18:08] or ... badly written autoconf stuff [18:08] I dont know what is about error messages and people not being able to comprehend them [18:08] Likly cause is you are running 64bit and did not pass the correct configure options [18:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-178-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [18:09] instead of an error message it should point to a link to a youtube video [18:09] hehehehe [18:09] where they have dancing muppets or something to draw it out [18:09] yo yo shit be whack [18:09] reminds me of ubunchu [18:09] brought to you by carls jr [18:09] http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [18:12] xsamurai: that would be great [18:12] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:13] phrag (~phrag@79-64-171-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:13] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] shramm (~shramm@brln-4d0c5389.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] fffuuuu- i used wrong terminal [18:15] i thought "export" exports variable [18:15] so shouldn't it be like everywhere? [18:15] i don't know [18:15] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [18:15] phrag (~phrag@79-64-153-167.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:15] now it's ok [18:15] thx [18:15] but there are 5 new unmet dependencies [18:19] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:19] now [18:20] exports exports variables only to the subshells of the shell you have exported it from [18:21] . [18:22] whos on first? [18:23] yes [18:23] huh [18:24] exactly [18:24] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.62.87) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:24] :D [18:25] how many variables can export export if export could export variables [18:25] should i report somewhere if a a link from slackbuilds dont work ? [18:25] here for example :) [18:26] as in the download link in the .info file? [18:26] download link [18:26] for a few packages :) [18:27] contact the package maintainer so they can update it [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.17.213) joined ##slackware. [18:28] and if they refuse or no longer want to be the maintainer, then tell rworkman [18:28] thanks :) [18:31] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:31] and if rworkman refuses let me know... [18:31] Mentioning it in #slackbuilds or our slackbuilds-users mailing list would even be better [18:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:33] also mention it here...nothing like public disclosure to grease the wheels of efficiency [18:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:34] thanks ! :) [18:34] just posted there [18:36] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:36] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Novell wins... again. [18:38] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 [18:39] hmm... better check netcraft to see if SCO is dead or not.. [18:39] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:40] sco should cut its losses at ths point [18:40] if microsoft buys novell, will microsoft own unix too? [18:40] funny, we have SCO Unix here at work [18:41] sahk0: That would be an interesting scenario. I'm going to go with "never gonna happen". Buying a major tech company like Novell would have to clear a huge amount of regulatory hurdles. [18:41] there was a rumour, so i thought id ask [18:42] novell should get declare bankruptcy, get a bailout and then the US Gov can own UNIX! [18:42] lol [18:42] It took Oracle several months (possibly > 1 yr) to purchase Sun over monopoly concerns - imagine the work it would take for a convicted monopolist to buy a major competitor? [18:43] 2012 is just around the corner anyway... :P [18:43] I wonder where 'convicted monopolist' puts you on the food chain in prison [18:44] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:44] right next to the rapists... [18:50] i have one simple question.. yet still eludes me [18:50] then it's not simple :) [18:50] last time i used KMail i was able to configure it to check for mails every 5-10 minuts [18:50] minutes* [18:51] not i cant see this option i've been looking for it for the past 15 minutes [18:51] :D [18:51] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:51] [Reproduciendo] (Astrix_Vs_Krunch_-_Antiwar.mp3) [18:51] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-178-198.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:51] brb, gotta head back to the library [18:52] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:55] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [18:56] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:57] finally!!! [18:59] iAVOR what are you building? [19:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-71-17.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] nothing :D [19:03] i was looking for a option [19:03] in KMail :D [19:03] and finally after 15 mins i found it [19:03] :D [19:03] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:04] last time i tried to build/compile something i had to reformat :D [19:05] were you using gentoo then? [19:05] nope :D [19:06] i was trying to install new kernel for slackware :D [19:06] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:06] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: bubye! [19:07] ive never used gentoo tho :) [19:07] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[20:14] Nick change: mbecker -> MarkB [20:14] Action: MarkB needs a clue. [20:14] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:15] MarkB (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:15] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [20:15] obvious trolls are being obvious [20:16] biker (~biker@201.170.195.73.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [20:18] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:19] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [20:20] A wannabe Slacker is lusing his marbles trying to get X running on his fresh Slack 13 install. [20:20] Was on earlier today.. thought I had a lead on it.. and it *still* failz. [20:20] (pardon: fails). [20:21] Quiznos! [20:21] Video is NVidia 6200 and, yes, I downloaded their binary driver and installed it. [20:21] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-178-156.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:22] An xorg.conf file was created.. and all I want to see at the moment is a 1024 x 768 x any_color_depth screen. [20:22] But the monitor keeps blinking "1280" at me. [20:22] Didn't you get it working with 'nv' with the Modeline addition? [20:22] No. [20:23] It's not paying attention to the xorg.conf file at all. [20:23] I mean, manpages say "X -config ./xorg.conf" by root should work. [20:24] And what happens when you do that? [20:24] Both screens go black. Primary display starts flashing an error icon that looks like it's saying it can't handle 1280. [20:25] Well, when running just 'X' or 'Xorg' , nothing actually gets displayed. [20:25] Just a black screen. [20:25] But the selected modeline is 1024x768. [20:25] Right. [20:25] Well, the display continues flashing that icon. [20:25] Hmm.. [20:25] wait a sec.. [20:25] So, first, if you're going to use 'X -config ./xorg.conf' you should use the -retro flag, too. [20:27] This is the *first* time I've seen "-retro". [20:27] Just a black screen is the default as of X server 1.6.* iirc. [20:29] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:30] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [20:32] mbecker (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Just tried a ..variation. [20:32] Copied the local xorg.conf to /etc/X11 then ran "startx". [20:33] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] One screen came up with an X-style display. The other kept flashing that "1280" icon. [20:33] start a wm manwilly [20:33] Action: thrice` chuckles [20:34] mbecker: So X is workong on one display. [20:34] I hate to admit ignorance.. how? [20:34] on a console [20:34] tty [20:34] f1 [20:34] . [20:34] thrice` tyvm [20:34] It's coming up on one display.. but the mouse is dead. [20:34] One moment. [20:35] mbecker review var/log/x.conf* [20:35] let's get tweakin [20:37] Action: SunTzu flashes on Mimi doll stickin Drew doll with a needle saying `let's get prickin' lol [20:37] proftpd all figured out? [20:37] nop; on break [20:37] marge (~marge@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [20:38] is .kde/Autostart no longer use? (by KDE-4.2) [20:38] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-89.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Is .kde/Autostart no longer used? (by KDE-4.2) [20:38] marge, don't repeat yourself [20:38] stuttering? [20:39] The #kde channel may be of more help. [20:39] SunTzu: I've looked at the X log file. Would you care for me to post it to your favorite paste site? [20:39] typo fixing [20:39] veritos: Sorry, but was correcting a typo. [20:39] s/i/I; s/use/used/ heh [20:39] I sort of see what it's doing.. but not completely versed in X innards. [20:39] marge, sorry, i didn't see the typo corrected. Stupid dyslexia. [20:39] mbecker they're all dead :\ [20:39] veritos: same here :0 [20:40] Nick change: mbecker -> MarkB [20:40] Nick change: MarkB -> MarkB2 [20:40] rodrigolanes (~rodrigola@201.53.150.58) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Sorry about that.. [20:40] MarkB2 pick a nick [20:40] he [20:40] +h [20:40] Yah.. "MarkB" is already in use elsewhere. [20:40] does x.log match your hw? [20:40] rodrigolanes (~rodrigola@201.53.150.58) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] Staring.. [20:41] how do you run x? [20:41] what cmd? [20:41] SunTzu: telinit 4 [20:41] eh [20:41] ew [20:41] run startx on a tty [20:41] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:41] SunTzu: You can do that if you like. [20:41] Yes, X log file explicitly matches GeForce 6200. [20:41] i run it manwilly [20:42] i like [20:42] MarkB2 ok [20:42] It pulls up the "nv" driver. [20:42] k [20:42] MarkB2 you're in runlevel 4 now? [20:42] It goes through a long song and dance about modes that match. [20:42] No. Am at runlevel 3. [20:42] I pull a '4' and I'll have to power cycle the computer to regain control. [20:42] yea; are you in X now or text? [20:42] Text. [20:43] ok; edit etc/inittab to prevent 4 from starting [20:43] MarkB2: Might need to run X -configure [20:43] until you fix it [20:43] Default right now *IS* 3. [20:43] ok [20:43] Fresh slack 13 install. [20:43] Oi. [20:43] run X -configure now [20:43] as root [20:43] One moment.. shifting ttys.. [20:43] then, X -config ~/xorg.conf [20:43] Not such a great idea. [20:43] Even worse idea. [20:44] why adam? [20:44] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:44] 'X -config ~/xorg.conf' gives just a black screen. [20:44] And 'Xorg -configure' gives him an xorg.conf file that won't drive either monitor. [20:44] he can start a wm manwilly [20:44] Done. [20:44] he has 2 crt? [20:44] ok [20:44] He had to specify a mode line in the xorg.conf file to get even one monitor to work. [20:45] MarkB2 is ~/.xinitrc empty? [20:45] adamk: Might try: run X -configure [20:45] IT DID IT AGAIN. Keeps pulling up that *#&@)$ Intel driver AND the NVidia driver. [20:45] adamk: Might try: X -configure [20:45] Yes, another reason not to use 'Xorg -configure' [20:45] Let me check .xinitrc . [20:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:46] adamk: What video card and driver are you using? [20:46] marge mark is the target, not adam [20:47] Heh. [20:47] MarkB2: What video card are you using? [20:47] geforce 6200 [20:47] nv driver? [20:47] But he also has an on board intel that he can't disable in his computers BIOS. [20:47] or Nvidia? [20:48] loads nv [20:48] OK.... there is a .xinitrc file.. and it looks like it's calling up fwvm2 [20:48] wanna change that? [20:48] He's tried both. 'nvidia' simply crapped out, strobing both monitors. [20:48] Yeah.. that monitor strobe left me with a purple afterflash for ten minutes. [20:48] # that line and add your favorite [20:49] SunTzu: I'll take ANYTHING at this point to get it running. Favorites can WAIT. :-) [20:49] blackbox is simple, right click to get a wm menu [20:49] and that's its shell name too [20:49] do this: [20:49] line #1: rxvt& [20:49] line#2 blackbox [20:49] (no &) [20:50] Just put those two lines into .xinitrc ? [20:50] # the other lines in .xinitrc [20:50] yea [20:50] dont rm the lines [20:51] What do you mean, "don't rm the lines" ? [20:52] dont delete what you # out [20:52] append the two lines i wrote [20:52] Oh. These go at the end of the .xinitrc file? [20:52] right with no intervening "code" [20:53] fsck! / is full :( [20:53] you do know what the # is, right? [20:53] edman007 clean /var/log [20:53] Action: edman007 finally figured out why mythtv refused to start [20:53] OK.. comment out the fwvm2 and put those in there. Give me a minute.. yah.. '#' is the comment char. [20:53] SunTzu, ehh, i doubt thats enough [20:53] ok [20:53] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [20:53] /tmp needs cleaning ;) [20:53] edman007 rm emacs [20:53] i rarely clen tmp [20:53] MarkB2: Did you install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.15-pkg1 ? [20:53] no one needs two os's [20:53] lol [20:53] SunTzu, NO, emacs stays! [20:54] lol ok [20:54] tcl? [20:54] tex? [20:54] heh [20:54] tcsh and zsh [20:54] marge: Yes, did that this afternoon. [20:54] Made a nice flashbulb out of two 17-inch LCD displays. [20:54] kool [20:55] condolensces [20:55] You know those funny JPEGs where you're looking at a scene.. and some fool monster JUMPS out at you? [20:55] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Supposed to be a startle.. [20:55] yea [20:55] when using the command nice to administer the time a process can use the processor if is bigger the number then is more time? [20:55] That's what happened with the NVidia binary driver. [20:55] lol [20:56] DareDevil0 inverse [20:56] Alright .xinitrc is fixed [20:56] ok [20:56] Try running startx ? [20:56] startx& as root [20:56] SunTzu, thanks [20:56] yw [20:56] DareDevil0 see the manpage [20:57] DareDevil0 your own written code? [20:57] Uh.. startx backgrounded? [20:57] yea [20:57] so you can run a wm if it dont start auto [20:57] ok [20:57] MarkB2: You might try the 190.42 from slackbuilds. [20:57] If this doesn't work then it'll take me a minute to regain control and bounce to runlevel 1 then back to 3. [20:57] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/ [20:57] i dont think so [20:57] marge: Hold that thought for a moment... [20:57] MarkB2 if it doesnt then back to tty and ^C [20:58] i mean [20:58] fg then ^C [20:58] Ah. [20:58] Well, back in a bit. [20:58] k [20:58] MarkB2: And the 190.42 kernel module: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-kernel/ [21:00] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [21:00] oh well [21:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:00] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Well, that was ..epic. [21:01] ok how? [21:01] One screen starts doing the strobe.. the other comes up with a terminal (rvxt) but the mouse is dead and nothing I type does bumki... [21:01] disconnect one [21:02] fix one at a time [21:02] Can I comment out the Intel driver? There's nothing connected to the motherboard video. [21:02] yes [21:03] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:04] MarkB2 brb [21:04] latex useful can be learn latex? [21:04] i mean how useful can be learn latex? [21:05] unless you're going to be writing academic/scientific things probably more trouble than its' worth [21:06] ok [21:07] Razec (1000@187-27-192-240.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:08] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:09] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:09] marge (~marge@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:10] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:11] antiwire [21:11] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-6-72-125.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] cypherpunko (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:21] I ..almost..had..it [21:21] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] MarkB2, any luck ? [21:21] oh [21:21] DareDevil0 if you need to write tex see kile.sourceforge.net [21:21] mark quit [21:21] ooo he be here [21:22] Alright... here's what I did... and there was a little sanity before I had to kill everything... [21:22] (1) X -configure [21:22] as root. [21:22] Edit the xorg.conf and comment out everything dealing with the Intel driver. [21:22] k [21:23] That includes the screens defined as using the Intel driver, too. [21:23] k [21:23] In Screen 0, I put "DefaultDepth 24" [21:23] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] In the "depth 24" section, I put "Modes "1024x768" [21:23] as root, ran startx . [21:23] k [21:24] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-6-72-125.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] did you actualy put a "." on the end or was that ending your sentence? [21:24] THAT brought up the second display in 1024 x 768 mode with an rxvt running. Primary display was showing the 1280.. but at least was NOT flashing it's brains out. [21:24] a period [21:24] he does that [21:24] end of setence. [21:24] (sorry... bad habit.) [21:24] ok, it was missing from the one before that ;) [21:24] mark ok [21:25] MarkB2 what time is it? [21:25] The mouse was dead, the keyboard was effectively dead.. but ALT SysRQ E & R regained control [21:25] ok [21:25] 9:24 PM local. [21:25] i'm going to sleep [21:25] Oh. [21:25] OK. [21:25] you should too now tht you have one working. [21:25] I don't have one working. I have a display.. but no kbd and no mouse. [21:25] well, that's speeshul [21:26] is gpm running? [21:26] Good question .. [21:26] also [21:26] Time is 6:25pm, computer has been up for 1w 3d 7h 40m 45s [21:26] Yes. [21:26] jesus this piece of shit is lagging [21:26] do you have multple mice? [21:26] connected? [21:26] No. Good Gawd. Only have one right hand, too. :-) [21:26] ok [21:26] kill gpm [21:26] gpm -k [21:27] One moment. [21:27] restartx [21:27] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:27] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [21:27] gpm stopped. [21:27] killed? [21:27] stop is someth else [21:27] I used /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm stop [21:27] ok [21:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:28] OK.. lets see if X will play. [21:28] glen_ (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [21:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] This is almost as much fun as torturing newbies on Second Life.. except that I'm doing it to myself. :-) [21:30] heh [21:31] Still a dead mouse, still a dead keyboard. [21:31] self-abuse [21:31] ok [21:31] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:31] replace em bof [21:31] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:31] I wonder if I have the right mouse device? [21:31] Oh wait. [21:32] The log file says... [21:32] "AllowEmptyInput is on" [21:32] that's ok [21:33] And the next two lines say "Disabling Mouse0" and "Disabling Keyboard0" [21:33] that's euvil [21:33] I'm not fond of it, either. [21:33] i had that once, needed a window on a sky scraper but no lock [21:33] luck [21:33] tryin to rember [21:34] i havent restarted x to have a log to check [21:34] Should I turn "AllowEmptyInput" off ? [21:34] ok [21:34] try it [21:34] Now that I've said that, *WHERE* is that option. [21:35] see Xorg.1 [21:35] OK.. it's not in xorg.conf. [21:35] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1180491 [21:36] ok; Xorg.1 is wrong. see andarius's line and google [21:36] it's apopular prob that someone should be flogged for [21:37] if I recall there is an application or module or something that makes it no longer needed. evdev or some such. don't recall off hand [21:37] righteous_ (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:37] dev/input/mice? [21:38] X finds /dev/input/mice as a mouse source. [21:38] MarkB2 what dev for mouse in xorg.conf? [21:38] Checking.. [21:38] Mouse0 is "CorePointer" [21:38] the /dev/input/mouse should point to the composite of all mice on the system [21:38] ok; [21:38] andarius that's like ptmx multi-switcher [21:38] mice that is [21:39] Now THAT kills me. the manpage for Xorg.1 is out of date. [21:39] heh [21:39] I mean, really... [21:39] yea [21:39] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:39] I know no one is getting paid for maintaining manpages.. but one ..might.. think a few edits wouldn't break their wallet. [21:40] (sorry, I'll get off the soapbox). [21:40] it breaks a neuron [21:40] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [21:40] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:40] MarkB2 if you mv xorg.conf to a 0/ subdir and rm ~/xorg.conf*, you can try to let X autoconf by itself [21:41] or s/rm/mv/ ~xorg* [21:41] That's the file I'm currently editing.. the result of an X autoconf. [21:41] i mean, use no file [21:41] I removed the Intel driver reference. [21:41] [21:42] Action: MarkB2 is looking for his sunglasses. [21:42] Is there some way to disable the disabling of the mouse and keyboard? [21:42] yes but i forget [21:43] it's a damned default setting somewhere thats really evil [21:43] to disable the disabling. interesting choice of words [21:43] hence the flogging [21:43] is there such a default as to disable a keyboard? who came up with that default? [21:43] Ah. I found it. [21:43] man xorg.conf [21:43] somewhere at xorg.com [21:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:45] Where does the ServerFlags section go? [21:45] it's a full section, so anywhere [21:45] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-107-166.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:45] section "ServerFlags" [21:45] Sect* [21:47] So help me, the manpage for xorg.conf with respect to AllowEmptyInput is insane. Read that, read it again, and just try to figure out what it's doing. [21:47] KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", SYSFS{idVendor}="056a", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0065", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboo" [21:47] High schoolers should NOT mes around with that stuff. [21:47] mess.. [21:48] anyone see a reason why that udev rule would prevent X startup when the tablet isn't plugged in [21:48] markb2 i dont have that info [21:48] it's the same rule I have used for ~2 years, but lately, if I don't have the tablet plugged in, /dev/input/tablet-bamboo isn't created, and X won't start [21:49] briareus is `==' correct? [21:49] I used to be able to roll without the tablet and had no problems [21:49] Option "AllowEmptyInput" "boolean" [21:49] If enabled, don't add the standard keyboard and mouse drivers, [21:49] if there are no input devices in the config file. Enabled by [21:49] Channel flood from MarkB2 -- kicking [21:49] default if AutoAddDevices and AutoEnableDevices is enabled, oth- [21:49] erwise disabled. If AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using the [21:49] kbd, mouse or vmmouse driver are ignored. [21:49] MarkB2 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:49] SunTzu: afaik yes [21:49] ok [21:49] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-250-248.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:49] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] markb2 go ahead and falsify that opt [21:50] Forgt about that feature. [21:50] Option "AllowEmptyInput" off ? or "Off" or "off" ? [21:50] see last sentence: off [21:50] I don't even roll with those options. I just whack that whole stanza [21:50] but anyway, back to my problem (more important than yours, of course)... [21:51] Alright.. here I go ..again. [21:51] k; last one for me [21:52] "off" is not a valid keyword. [21:52] O then [21:52] stoopit coders are making life difficult for damn good reason [21:52] You know what? [21:52] job security [21:52] Neither is "0". [21:53] Or just '0' [21:53] no, not zero, capital O [21:53] violating the core principal ``liberal in accepting input; strict in writing output [21:53] Off [21:53] Ah. [21:53] i'm tellin ya, flog em! [21:53] GUESS WHAT? Capital O isn't valid either. [21:53] this is pissing me off [21:53] did you "" Off? [21:53] MarkB2: perhaps it's a result of anxiety. [21:54] Pissing YOU off? I wrote one of the original installers for Minix.. and the Linux crowd picked it up. [21:54] And I contributed to ..this? [21:54] heh [21:54] i mean what the x coders have done [21:54] I will double-quote the Off... [21:54] ok [21:54] I even double-quoted the AllowEmptyInput [21:55] MarkB2: you really did the orignal minix installer? [21:55] Perhaps not the "original" But I'm the author of Rawrite. [21:55] heh [21:55] Rawrite 1.1 and 1.2 . 1.0 was a beta test to the net [21:55] MarkB2: ah, yes. [21:55] How about that. [21:56] It worked. [21:56] good [21:56] g'night [21:56] Except the primary monitor is still sort of borked. [21:56] Secondary came up. [21:56] fuck it :) [21:56] tomorrow [21:56] Tomorrow. [21:56] SunTzu? [21:56] gnite [21:56] yes? [21:56] THANK YOU. [21:56] yvw [21:56] otss! [21:56] what's that? [21:56] otss [21:56] Oh That's So Sweet [21:56] On The Sunny Side? [21:57] its lame, i just made it up [21:57] just now [21:57] it's cold down here in fla. [21:57] Where in Fl? [21:57] it was 90F here today [21:57] lower west [21:57] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: So long sukkas! [21:57] I used to live in O-Town. [21:57] PHX = 90F today [21:57] ok [21:57] Went to UCF [21:57] I fought in Orlando, and Kissimmee [21:57] Yeah, the roaches & palmetto bugs can be intense. [21:58] try Puerto Rico! [21:58] cypherpunko (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:58] but I meant brazilian jiu jitsu [21:58] Thanks.. it was bad enough waking one morning and suffering a self-inflicted reflex action. [21:59] Gee.. now I have an X. [21:59] kool [21:59] ok gone. [21:59] afk [21:59] OK this is an odd one. Xorg.log is showing that 'synaptics' was unloaded after the system failed to detect my usb-tablet. With furrowed brow, I opened make menuconfig, and whaddya know, I don't even have synaptics built. How can it unload that which isn't made? [22:00] modprobe --list | grep synap returns nada. [22:01] "synaptics was unloaded", considering the couple of days I've been beating on my problem, may mean that the software lost it's mind. [22:01] I don't have synaptics built, and it shouldnt be needed for wacom anyway (indeed, menuconfig says that synaptics for i2c touchpad is for an entirely diff device) [22:03] Hey.. I'm on a roll. Switched to using the "nvidia" driver.. and the other console just went black. [22:03] Which is better than the psychelic display it was giving me.. just like the old CGA days of flashing squares.. [22:04] try vesa? [22:04] Not yet.. [22:05] and what's the hardware anyway? [22:05] intel, perchance? [22:06] The motherboard video is Intel 910. There's also an NVidia 6200 plugged in.. [22:06] The Intel hardware isn't connected to a display. Two monitors plugged into the 6200. [22:07] tried nvidia all lower-case? [22:07] or even "nv" [22:07] "nvidia" or "nv" [22:07] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:07] That's in there now. "nv" seems hard-put to deal with two displays. [22:07] ah, likely, yes [22:07] The "nvidia" driver (their binary) seems to work.. but at the moment I don't know how to specify the second monitor to X in the xorg.conf file [22:08] don't bother [22:08] But I ..like.. having artificial wide-screen. [22:08] Do there exist any virtualisation software that work on 64 *without* multilib? [22:08] MarkB2: xrandr is your friend [22:09] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-6-72-125.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:09] I'll take a look at xrandr. [22:09] check this out: [22:09] xrandr (with no args) [22:09] for my dual-screen, I use: [22:10] xrandr --output VGA --mode 1680x1050 --left-of LVDS [22:10] I put that in my user's .xinitrc [22:10] when the monitor is attached to this laptop: beauty [22:10] xrandr with no args will tell your config and options [22:11] I don't believe I have any custom anything in xorg.conf for my dual screen, but I will check right now to be sure [22:11] nothing special whatsoever [22:12] granted, I am not in front of an external monitor to help check anything else right now, but... [22:13] I tried that.. and nothing happened. [22:13] Uh, you're on a laptop? [22:15] yep [22:15] not at home, so no dual monitor [22:16] OK. Was thinking you had the lap display then plugged in the external. [22:17] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [22:17] well, if I were to plug the external monitor into the lappy vga port now and run xrandr, it would work. [22:17] Added Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [22:18] And the display choked on 800x600 and 640x480 [22:18] veritos: qemu [22:18] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] I don't have any modelines in my config [22:18] heya,folks [22:18] Hello MLanden [22:18] MarkB2: I can email you my xorg.conf just for gigglery [22:18] Heya,MarkB2 [22:19] I'll take your gigglery and raise you a "Thank you, appreciated." [22:19] MarkB2: you'll see no modelines. I find the less I put in xorg.conf, loosely speaking, the better [22:19] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:19] ok, msg me your email or whatever, let me fire up links-g and send [22:19] I think I did? [22:21] I just had a nice idea. Take a nice vanilla distribution, like Slack. Put a Xorg developer in front of it, and see how long it takes the dev to get a running system. [22:21] I'll bring the pizza. [22:22] MarkB2, are they permitted alcohol? If not, you are too cruel. [22:22] Although actually my Intel card plays nice :) [22:22] I understand Intel 945-based boards are OK. [22:23] It's an ICH9 mobile [22:23] Everything works out of the box except wireless, and that's actually Broadcom [22:23] (May they burn in hell for all eternity.) [22:23] my wireless works pretty well on this laptop. its intel [22:23] iwl3945 [22:24] twas a pain when it was newer than the linux support, but now its mostly effortless [22:24] iw3945 is okay but it has some weird bugs [22:24] yep [22:24] I wonder whether Lenovo do the BIOS lock on this laptop. (This is an IdeaPad; on ThinkPad:s it won't boot with any wireless cards except for those on a short list.) [22:24] i fixed broadcom supprt on a windows machine today :s [22:24] I actually prefer the original/old ipw3945 from intel. for some reason when I scan using it, I see more wifi ap [22:25] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] hey i just had a major 'wtf' moment. if you type "AKO" into google it gives you an invalid certificate alert in firefox for us.army.mil; why am I getting certificates from army.mil on www.google.com with specific search terms? [22:27] google knows things. [22:27] is anyone else getting that alert with firefox? [22:27] AKO was my google query [22:27] things which we mere outsiders are not privvy to know. [22:27] I can reproduce this issue. [22:28] is there an explanation for that that doesn't involve some kind of echelon-esque type of google mechanism? [22:28] righteous: it's b/c the way google indexes the site, the first link there for the ako result is an https link [22:28] MarkB2: I believe I used X --configure to make that xorg file? not sure, its been ages. either that or xorgconfig [22:28] and google is presumably trying to embed/link some sort of content via their https link, i'd guess [22:28] righteous: when faced with the options of conspiracy or mistake/stupidity, always assume the latter first [22:29] 'latter first', what ugly engrish [22:29] ratter first is engrish [22:29] i just dont get why an indexed result would be making us.army.mil send me a certificate on a google page when the results are coming from a google database. [22:29] maybe the search box you get is from them [22:30] righteous: google is trying to embed some results into your results page [22:30] the search box under the first result [22:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:31] righteous: are you searching from google's search bar or firefox's address bar? because firefox from its adress bar will TAKE YOU to the top search term [22:31] thus, trying to log you into an https [22:31] im searching google's search bar [22:31] if you search from google's search bar, that's something else then [22:32] the text field on google.com [22:32] look at the page source, mag0o's prolry right about it being somethin' embedded [22:33] it's firefox. because I just duplicated your search not from firefox but from links. Came up as a normal list, with Army Knowledge Online as numero uno [22:33] oh, prefetching ? [22:33] ///fends off lethal google echelon minions with the might of Links -g/// [22:33] VICTORY [22:34] ///returns to pondering udev/// [22:34] (briareus: I have the file, thank you.) [22:34] yeah its firefox. i just tried it in safari [22:34] MarkB2: :) I hope it helps. [22:35] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:35] I'm sure it will. Spinning my wheels for two days.. [22:36] Tekrad (user@ip68-12-242-9.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] MarkB2: dunno if you saw it, but you might try generating it with either X --configure or xorgconfig [22:37] can't remember which is better [22:37] is xorgconfig in slack 13? [22:37] but I edit whatever is created (because they usually get automagically made with epic tons of commentary [22:38] MarkB2: unsure [22:38] it appears there is a xorgsetup [22:38] never seen that before [22:38] But, per the usual NO MAN PAGE. [22:39] Tekrad (user@ip68-12-242-9.ok.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] I tend to find that is more unusual than usual [22:39] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] but I do remember the distinct sensation of feeling like everything critical that I needed just happened to have no man page, and being beffled by that [22:40] baffled, that is. [22:40] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [22:41] "beffled" sounds better. So. What I need to do is find all the executables for which there aren't manpages and study those to get ahead in Slack 13. [22:42] That noise you heard was from the graves of former Bell Labs engineers... [22:42] speaking of bell labs [22:42] perchance did you ever run or work on plan9 [22:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:42] No.. but I've got a NeXT box in storage.. [22:43] otss [22:43] ///muffles laughter/// [22:43] I think the box might have run Linux .. but 68030 .. dated dingus. [22:43] But it came with Mathematica and I did my MSEE paper on it. [22:44] didn't cost me anything, either. [22:44] ah! mathematica! thanks for reminding me that I have an old hdd somewhere with mathematica on it [22:44] yeah, mine neither. it was given to me before I even know it was paywarer [22:45] it was like a year before I learned it was dirty as a dollar [22:45] I remember a homework problem where I was supposed to add two probability distributions and sketch the distribution of the sum. [22:45] It's a NASTY convolution problem. [22:46] So I fed the expression into Mathematia and waited about a minute. And it sketched the result. [22:46] Then the prof put a simple varient of that problem on an exam and I got smoked. [22:47] going outside, may lose connection [22:47] so far so good [22:47] hah! yeah I've seen that happen [22:47] About then was when I stopped using a computer for homework problems... [22:48] yeah me too. Well for most things anyway. [22:49] I'm glad of it. I had to do some impromptu calculus and trig in the last few days, after more than a couple years of not doing any of it. it almost seemed like muscle memory ;) [22:49] I do some fiddling in Second Life and came up with a gadget that's an in-world graph rezzer. [22:50] Showed it an in-world educator .. and laughed so hard afterwards.. [22:50] ah, there we go. X. [22:50] irssi in screen is one of my favorite things in computerdom [22:51] indeed [22:51] it's a little laggy tho [22:51] er, the way I use it, it is [22:51] i like being able to go to/from X and maintain conversation [22:51] yeah, i also startx from screen :) [22:52] well, irssi in screen through a ssh can be laggy :) [22:52] all the cool kids are using tmux it seems [22:52] yeah, that's how I'm using it right now (nested screen is fun into itself) [22:52] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:53] the readline bindings help a little with the lag [22:53] I dont even know what tmux is [22:53] besides what it seems to mean [22:53] i just heard of it a couple of weeks ago, myself [22:54] http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ but i doubt i ever leave the comfort of gnu screen [22:54] Gentlemen, it's 10:53 local. I'll be on tomorrow.. but it's about time for me to pull the wool over my eyes. [22:54] screen's developer does good interface work [22:54] evening! [22:54] ok, seeya [22:55] Gentlemen, a pleasure.. and thanks again. I'd still be biting my fingernails without the help of those here. [22:55] tmux appears like a more fleshed version of splitvt and/or quadkonsole [22:55] Now I'm greatly relieved. [22:55] MarkB2 (mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:56] I have had my months of being a splitvt/screen/split-screen-vi animal [22:56] how many things can I do in a terminal at once! [22:56] haha [22:57] the next version of screen will do vertical splits [22:57] installing tmux now [22:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-71-17.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:02] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:07] anyone know why the google api is requiring a key? [23:11] rules [23:14] there is a link to request this key [23:19] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:20] larryking (~danh@c-67-180-100-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Underwear was almost ridiculous: it gave support for his balls, but his dick was now about 18 inches long, even after a cold shower. It hung inches past his knees, and was obscenely obvious when he tried putting on sweat pants. He finally took a roll of bandage tape and taped the shaft just below the head so that it ended in left armpit. Let people think he was wearing a shoulder holster. Fortunately, the weather was cold enough to [23:21] Megan drove him to Python, following the directions Carson had given Johnson over the phone. On arrival, a very buxom receptionist asked them to sign in at the front desk, and then conducted them to a standard medical examination room. An incredibly buxom nurse came in and took Johnson's temperature, weight and height, and blood pressure. Johnson tried to avoid looking at the nurse, for fear he would rip through the tape and sudden [23:21] After taking his blood pressure, the nurse told Johnson that she needed to take a throat swab. She picked up a long swab, asked him to "open wide" and attempted to steady him by putting her hand on his left shoulder as she approached the back of his throat with the swab. It was too close for Andrew. He couldn't look away from her. Her hand was mere inches from the head of his cock. He was sweating enough between the nurse, the swea [23:21] Channel flood from larryking -- kicking [23:21] Megan sat down in a spare chair, while Johnson forced himself to think about tax regulations until his erection subsided. After a few minutes, he succeeded to the point that his python fell out of the bottom of his sweater, just as Dr. Carson knocked and walked into the room. "Well, Andrew! It's been a while, hasn't it? How are you doing?" Johnson related that he was still doing accounting, over at Delta Biotech. Carson hid his sur [23:21] larryking kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:21] wtf!! [23:22] an exhilirating read [23:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:22] lulz, wut ?! [23:22] lmao [23:23] Better Nate than lever!!! [23:26] Which you think is a good bitorrent client for slackware? [23:26] rtorrent [23:27] ok [23:27] that's not in slack tho [23:27] lemme think [23:27] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:27] rtorrent is in sbopkg [23:27] I believe [23:27] yes [23:27] (slackbuild) [23:27] bittorrent and bittornado are in /extra [23:28] bittorrent is cli (iirc) [23:28] also, there's ktorrent if you like Qt/KDE (it's as good as utorrent if you know windows stuff) [23:28] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] rtorrent's my personal fav [23:31] me too [23:31] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:32] Action: andarius is fond of transmission [23:33] nice, i hadn't even heard of it until now [23:33] trhodes, about what? [23:33] is rather spiffy. I use it on my headless server :) [23:33] transmission [23:34] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:34] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [23:34] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [23:34] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/transmission/ [23:34] libevent, aware too [23:34] is it good transmission? i will try it [23:34] sounds decent [23:35] no harm in trying it :) [23:35] it has served me very well for a while now [23:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:38] i run downloads at another 'net connection (rsync and backups and stuff) to make use of its extra bandwidth and that's why I use a cli torrent program [23:39] transmission has a cli, but I don't use it. I use the web front end to it [23:39] yeah, that sounds nice [23:39] rtorrents interface is weird [23:39] never used that one [23:40] trhodes: its actually quite nice once you get used to it [23:40] yeah, i agree [23:40] the getting used to it part is sometimes a bummer though :P [23:41] trhodes: its really cool to be able to leave it in a screen session so you can re-attach from anywhere over an SSH tunnel [23:41] yeah [23:41] that's how I use it [23:41] actually, multiuser, so other folks can use it too [23:41] cool [23:41] we all put our downloads in that one client [23:41] transmission and daemon, no screen required ;) [23:41] i guess you could call it a client, i duno :P [23:42] yeah, everybody would probably be happier with that [23:42] I've heard the phrase 'open source' uttered and few times now on msnbc. [23:42] trhodes, i can find Screenlets in slackbuild, y try to compile it manually using the source i did it [23:42] everything is well [23:42] but when i start it [23:42] does not start [23:42] i mean [23:42] does not appears in the taskbar of xfce [23:42] like other softwares [23:42] do you know what i mean? [23:43] transmission ? [23:43] nope Screenlets [23:43] http://www.transmissionbt.com/ [23:43] nope i am already installing transmission using slackbuild [23:43] but i mean screenlets for xfce [23:44] like in gnome [23:44] oh [23:44] i try to install it [23:44] but screenlet manager does not start [23:44] is well compiled and installed [23:44] well, i'm still not sure what it is exactly you're using [23:44] but the screenlet manager does not start in the taskbar of xfce [23:44] i can't find screenlets at slackbuilds [23:44] it's a part of slackware ? [23:45] have you seen the mac OS dash board? [23:45] not much, no [23:45] i don't know because i don't know the system very well [23:45] but i guess it can be installed [23:45] because i already install it [23:45] but is not working properly [23:46] some the screenlets apps are gnome-heavy [23:46] and the error from console is [23:46] i'm wondering if fluxbox or something's panel is what you're using [23:46] ^of* [23:46] eh, i duno, i'm confused :s [23:46] ImportError: No module named rsvg [23:46] trhodes: this is what he's trying to use: http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/Information [23:47] ahh ok [23:47] DareDevil0: did you mean to say that you *couldn't* find a slackbuild for screenlets ? [23:47] and this is what is happening http://pastebin.com/EkJ3e7xX [23:48] rk4n3, i could not [23:48] sorry [23:48] my english and my slackware skills are not very good [23:48] DareDevil0: ok, just clearing it up a bit - so you built it from source yourself [23:48] yeap [23:48] oh, looks like python is missing rsvg, hmm [23:48] DareDevil0, if might be calling for one of these versions http://library.gnome.org/devel/rsvg/ [23:49] waoohh i sometimes fell my self very tiny how can you figure out about things so fast? [23:50] he's experienced :) [23:50] plus the error says so :: ImportError: No module named rsvg [23:51] and i am just starting ha, i have learn much more this days using slackware than in a few months ago using ubuntu [23:51] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:51] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [23:52] well i will try installing one of those [23:53] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] hmmm, just looked over tranmission's info - seems pretty cool [23:55] weird, the source download link at the screenlets site asks for login info. [23:55] I don't know if I'm fond of the terminal client being python ... but that's minor [23:55] trhodes, that is weird...no sourceforge mirror? [23:55] rk4n3: i am quite fond of rtorrent. [23:57] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: after a long day at work I want rest, after a long day off of work I need rest [23:58] zaltekk: me too, I've loved and used it for quite a while now ... just checking out transmission based on andarius' reference [23:58] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:59] rk4n3: well, i wouldn't complain about the python interface. usually more applications than you realize use python for cli and gui interfaces... [23:59] Tabstar (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [23:59] trhodes, did you try from his web site? because i downloaded the source yesterday and worked well [23:59] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:00] --- Wed Mar 31 2010