[00:00] the link I've found at the wiki is for gnome-look.org, which looks rather spammy and unofficial [00:00] haha - "spammy" :) [00:01] Nick change: Tabstar -> Tabmow [00:02] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] looks like the authors' code.launchpad is accessible https://code.launchpad.net/screenlets/trunk/0.1.2 [00:05] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:05] ok, i hadn't gotten there yet [00:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-62.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:08] slackware mirrors down? [00:08] briareus, there are a bunch.. they're all down ? [00:09] the I'm trying is down, about to try more [00:12] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:13] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:14] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:17] is there a way in kde 4.4 to create a custom keyboard shortcut that runs some script i made? i can't seem to find a way to do this [00:17] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.87) joined ##slackware. [00:18] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [00:18] :/ slax slept on a laptop and it froze [00:18] bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [00:18] i had run badblocks too [00:20] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:21] amazon10x, under system settings...there's not an entry for Keyboard/Mouse? 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[00:59] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:59] you can only sit on red chairs ? [00:59] ^^ [00:59] wear red pants [00:59] !!! [01:00] lol,fhobia...hate to think of what shade of red those chair would be...X_X [01:00] chairs* [01:00] 8) [01:01] would have to be brown, I think [01:01] for when it dries [01:01] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:01] better wear diapers and sit on any chair [01:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAc0oh818s [01:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfhemoglobinemia [01:02] or just take to pads/tampons [01:06] hmm tampons... [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:10] thanks jeev, that was beautiful [01:10] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:10] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. 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I got a problem when I try to compile the driver nVidia v170 and v190. the installer said that the linux source can't be found it, but if exist it. i made a clean installation from slack-current update to today [01:50] someone know what happen? [01:51] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:51] yourpadre: using the slackbuild? [01:52] Slackware community don't like using gnome a lot is that true? [01:52] you are free to use whatever you like. [01:53] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [01:53] wario, but most of the users here which one use? [01:53] it's not a matter of like, it is that it isn't shipped with slackware, and most people don't have the skills/time/interest/etc to install the 3rd party gnome projects [01:53] uuuhmmm [01:53] well i already have gnome running with slackware [01:54] and i was missing it a lot [01:54] don't like kde neither xfce [01:54] wario: slackbuild of what? [01:54] yourpadre: the nvidia driver. [01:55] mancha, to do it is to go out of the slackware line? [01:55] yourpadre: ls /usr/src [01:55] slackware line? [01:55] ls /usr/src/linux that is where the source should be [01:55] mancha, sorry let me explain it better [01:55] mancha, if i want to use gnome means that i am going to be using less slackware [01:56] mancha, or learning less slackware? [01:56] DareDevil0: We use slackware because no one trys to impose a line on how your system should be run. [01:56] how does your choice of desktop env make you learn more or less slackware? [01:56] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-254-176.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [01:56] so the fact is that if i want to use gnome is my business [01:56] i don't undestand your question at all [01:56] define "learn slackware" for me [01:56] the source exists but the nVidia installer said that not could be finded [01:56] DareDevil0, it's by your own choice [01:57] mancha, sorry forget it [01:57] i never had this problem before [01:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:57] DareDevil0: yes that is the fact. I use enlightenment and remove gnome and xfce. some slackers don't even run with a graphical desktop [01:57] yourpadre: if you do ls -l /usr/src/ [01:58] wario, remove gnome? which version of Slackware are you running? [01:58] others just want a windows manager...fluxbox,openbox,blackbox,awesome,ion3 etc. etc. [01:58] alreadygone: i meant kde [01:58] aah [01:58] wario, and what do they do to navigate for example only the console and the X without window manager? [01:58] DareDevil, i would worry less about what other people use and focus on using what you like most and/or what is best suited to your needs. [01:58] DareDevil0: I suggest using the slackbuilds nvidia driver if you can. [01:59] yourpadre: ^^ meant for you [01:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-209.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:59] wario, how can i use nvidia driver if i don't have that graphic card? [01:59] >> [01:59] offs [02:00] cheap trolling is so easy to spot [02:00] DareDevil0, look at the chip, not the card [02:00] wario: sorry, i can't check it now. i got it in a ext4 partition and i cant do it now. I need restart mt machine [02:01] yourpadre: sbopkg is a good program for installing slackbuilds though if you want a console web browser try running links -g [02:01] alisonken1home, why wario is suggesting me using an nvidia driver if he doesn't even know what chip i have? [02:01] DareDevil0: It was a tab mistake [02:02] uuhmmm i got it [02:02] I meant to tell yourpadre that. [02:02] wario: i'll try the slackbuild [02:02] mancha, that's why you tell cheap trolling? [02:02] DareDevil0, and has been noted, although Pat officially dropped Gnome for being too much of a moving target, there's a couple of other distros that take slackware and add Gnome - GSB (Gnome SlackBuilds) comes to mind [02:03] but as also noted, slackware doesn't get in your way if you want to do something else as well [02:04] anyrate - I have to head out to our other noc to do some hardware swaps [02:04] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:04] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:04] alisonken1home, i already installed GSB Gnome Slackbuild that is what i am using right now and i feel better with this window manager [02:04] alisonken1noc: later [02:05] mancha are you still there? [02:05] how does people that don't use window manager navigate in the internet only using X? [02:06] DareDevil0, actually, open up a terminal and use links/lynx or some other terminal based web browser [02:06] DareDevil0: i like w3m [02:07] however, running something like firefox does not need a DE like Gnome or KDE [02:07] alisonken1home, well sounds pretty rustic [02:07] there's at least 10 other desktop environments other than Gnome or KDE - like blackbox, fluxbox, w3m, etc. [02:07] alisonken1home, yeah well they use only the X but without the Window Manager? [02:08] minimalistic wm - or run X with firefox as the only program running [02:08] pretty rustic [02:08] but well they like it [02:08] that's the way linux work [02:08] they can do whatever [02:09] DareDevil0: you may see it as rustic though to some it's much faster [02:09] DareDevil0, some would use lxpanel or fbpanel for their panels..pcmanfm for file management for example [02:09] lesser (~lesser@117.136.12.67) left irc: Quit: Bye [02:09] well that is true too, i guess gui kill a lot of resources but as mancha said is a matter of what you need [02:10] MLanden, how long have you been using Linux? sounds like thousand of year you are very experienced [02:10] DareDevil0: if you use links -g in your linux console outside of X you can get a full blown graphical web browser, just lacks things like flashplayer and java [02:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-254-176.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:11] DareDevil0, lol...been a while [02:11] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:13] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] pfff 1000 years....more like 944 years....damn service calls to Bayeaux..:D [02:15] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Uppsss sorry [02:15] i used links -g inside X [02:15] big mistake [02:16] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:16] DareDevil0: What distro are you on right now? [02:16] sQuEE` (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Quit: fnord!! [02:16] Slackware of course [02:16] but i also have Ubuntu, Debian and Windows 7 in my laptop with Grub as Boot Manager [02:17] really because links isn't built with graphical X support on slackware by default.. [02:17] so it would have done nothing except give you an error. [02:17] i swear i am running slackware with GSB gnome slackbuild [02:17] and takes me out [02:18] hmm, must have something to do with gnome slackbuild i guess [02:18] well [02:18] i don't know [02:19] anyway, if you want to use links -g in X you must recompile the official links sort and allow it in the slackbuild. none the less it works fine in the normal tty console. [02:20] ok [02:20] so if you simply hit ctrl+alt+f6 or whatever to get to terminal you can log in and try it there. :) [02:21] sometimes I don't even log into X until I absolutly find the need. [02:21] wario, is that going to take me [02:21] out again? [02:21] use ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gnome. [02:22] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:22] hi [02:22] if that doesn't take you back then try ctrl+alt+f1-f8 [02:22] cr3rzemjest, heya [02:22] DareDevil0: It's good to become familar with switching to those consoles anyway. [02:22] cr3rzemjest: hi [02:23] does anybody here use enlightenment? [02:23] I do. [02:24] can you use it to copy files on pendrives? [02:24] wario, good, i only saw a big arrow with a pink screen when i did that but i couldn't move it because i need to configure my mouse [02:24] sure [02:24] i mean [02:24] when i open a pendrive in e, and then try to copy some files on it, or remove files, or rename something - nothing happens [02:24] i mean there's a "progress bar " but it doesn't move, there's just "delete done" but nothing happens [02:24] DareDevil0, /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm start ? [02:24] on the other hand, i can copy/delete files manually using terminal [02:25] when i rename with mouse, write something, press enter - it falls back to old name [02:25] DareDevil0: I see. gpm needs to be enabled to use the mouse, though hitting the g key will allow you to put in a url [02:25] slava_dp, ok [02:25] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [02:25] whats the problem here i dont get it [02:25] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm [02:26] it looks as if it was read only but it isnt [02:26] cr3rzemjest: in the terminal are you doing the renaming as root? [02:26] no [02:26] are you mounting it as root? [02:26] no, it's mounted by e [02:27] hmm, that is strange [02:27] I actually haven't encountered that. [02:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-116-142.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:27] wario, woahh that was great [02:27] using e's default file manager? [02:28] there's a "progress bar " but it doesn't move, there's just "delete done" but nothing happens [02:28] yes [02:28] slava_dp, worked for me [02:28] cr3rzemjest: do you still have xfce installed? try using thunar [02:28] actually i dont know, i just double click the icon :D [02:28] ok [02:28] as normal user [02:28] DareDevil0, sure [02:29] DareDevil0: yeah pretty cool [02:29] well it works ok in thunar [02:29] well but you need a lot of practice to learn all that stuff, i guess that with the time [02:29] i successfully renamed a file :P [02:29] DareDevil0: alt+f in links -g will get you the menu [02:29] but not in e manager [02:30] DareDevil0, why do you want to use an svgalib browser? [02:30] cr3rzemjest: did you install all the E packages that were mentioned with the slackbuild? [02:30] (if it's for fun i can understand) :) [02:30] cr3rzemjest, if you press ctrl,alt or shift..does it change to any modes? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/EFM [02:31] slava_dp: he is discovering linux ;) [02:32] MLanden: when i press ctrl alt shift nothing happens... [02:32] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-209.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:33] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:33] wario: lua, and then eina, eet, evas, ecore, embryo, edje, e_dbus [02:33] and efreet ? yes i did [02:33] sounds right [02:33] slava_dp, i am just learning, i entered to the Menu, there is a lot of info new browser many new commands many news everything i am getting crazy lol [02:33] cr3rzemjest: let me check mine.. 1 sec [02:34] i am talking about the all slackware [02:34] distro [02:35] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-66-91-187-165.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] cr3rzemjest: idk wtf is going on, i am not seeing any icons using the e file manager. [02:36] lol i haven't used it in a while [02:37] :p [02:37] also dolphin from kde is working correctly [02:37] but not e's file manager [02:37] "Move of 0 bytes done"... etc [02:38] well, there is definetly a problem since it's not even showing my icons there. maybe has something to do with my theme [02:39] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [02:39] brb [02:39] so what now? [02:40] i don't even know if its a bug or some settings [02:40] but i didnt change much, fresh install.. [02:41] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:44] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:44] brb2 [02:46] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [02:47] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-66-91-187-165.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:48] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:49] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:50] what is the command to run the e file manager? [02:51] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:51] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [02:55] wario, been a while since I messed with E17...is it evidence? [03:03] not sure. anyway, for whatever reason the icons not showing up is just for that particular user so it must be a config file or whatever. Though after logging into a new user creating new directories and deleting them work. [03:03] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:04] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:04] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:05] cr3rzemjest: try as a different user logging into e17 and writing to the device [03:06] ok [03:07] also, i'm using e16 :D [03:07] because that's the most recent version in slackbuilds, right? [03:08] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [03:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:10] it's the pre-release of e17 [03:10] 16.999 or something [03:10] yes [03:11] tell me what happens as a different user [03:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:12] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [03:12] ok, wait.. [03:12] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:14] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-135.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:15] ubuntu123 (~ubuntu@122-124-133-206.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] greetings [03:15] The-Croupier, heya [03:15] hiya ;) hows things in the slackware world these days? [03:16] other than xorg-server and firefox....something's always happenin'...:D [03:18] whats wrong with those? [03:18] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:18] same thing happens [03:18] wario: [03:19] cr3rzemjest: wow :p [03:19] ? [03:19] The-Croupier, just upgrades....nothin' out of the ordinary...only thing that came to mind,sorry..:P [03:19] one man down, slackware down [03:19] but i've changed permissions to allow writing for everybody [03:19] but still same thing, doesn't write except new empty dir [03:19] iirc, slackware is a one-man distor [03:20] with cult [03:20] :D [03:20] i guess i'll be using thunar for some time then [03:20] ubuntu123: with that nickname...i dont think you will get much reply here :p [03:20] lol [03:20] lma [03:20] cr3rzemjest: is it only the usb stick that this happens on? [03:20] lmao [03:20] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:21] my nick is just default crap from i am using [03:21] cult of slacker <3 [03:21] wario: dunno... i didnt try others [03:21] ubuntu123: i bet you will be safer with windows321... [03:21] lotus123 is better than them [03:21] ubuntu123: "default"??!! that makes it worse mate [03:21] ;) [03:21] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:22] also, i don't like how when i run amarok for example, after splash the window disappears and i have to run it again... no icon in tray! [03:22] how about default123 / [03:22] ? [03:22] ubuntu123: sadly for you even though many of use have never even used ubuntu more than a few minutes we could probably tell you more about how your system works than you know. [03:22] feels neutral :D [03:22] anavel: nahhh, its not as bad as ubuntu123 ;) [03:22] i know enough i think [03:22] The-Croupier: but... but... it's universal :P [03:23] i can defeat a truck of salesmen who called them selves it guys [03:23] anavel, if I ln -s default123 default321...will it run?..:P [03:23] anavel: well, it doesnt seem so...;) check ubuntu123 ;) [03:23] cr3rzemjest: I am pretty sure you can disable the amarok splash [03:23] that might fix it [03:24] cr3rzemjest: what wm? [03:24] sorry,bad pun to mpg123...mpg321..:( [03:24] hm ? [03:25] The-Croupier: e17... or e16 :P [03:25] resuming real life. Later. [03:25] wario: it did fix it :P thx. but still no tray icon unless i click "minimise" instead of 'x' .. [03:25] cr3rzemjest: check on the settings...etc... see how to dissable splash completely...or change it to something else..;) [03:25] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:26] ^ [03:26] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:26] cr3rzemjest: you need to add the systray module [03:26] which is in the modules, add it to your shelf [03:27] Do you guys think it's going to be ridicously difficult to upgrade from 13 to 14 when that day happens? [03:27] Any past experiences from you slack old timers to the newcomers? [03:27] Coke: was it ever difficult to upgrade to any other? [03:28] I have no idea. [03:28] it doesn't help, even with two systrays (ibox..) the icon disappears when i un-minimise it... only visible when minimised [03:28] wario: ^ [03:28] I just know that it's not easy to switch dist with Debian-derivatives most of the time. [03:28] in kde the icon is visible constantly [03:28] Coke: ;) when that day comes, check the changelog, join the channel, check alienBOB's wiki..;) you will be fine ;) [03:28] so i dont think its related to amarok settings [03:29] I am having a strange problem though and is sort of baffling me. I am not able to see my icons in the e file manager though after creating a new user I was able to with the new user. I backuped up my home directory for the user which I couldn't see the icons and re logged in to create the new config files and i'm still unable to see icons in the e file manager. Obviously this isn't a problem with my config files in ho [03:29] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [03:30] ubuntu123 (~ubuntu@122-124-133-206.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [03:30] cr3rzemjest: systray isn't working? what about for pidgin [03:30] looker (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [03:30] The-Croupier: is alienBOB the main organizer for slack? [03:31] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [03:31] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Coke: i dont think so...but he has some really nice manuals ;) and the his wiki is great ;) [03:31] Oh, right. [03:32] I'm an Archlinux user for all my desktops, laptops etc so I'm used to a pretty high quality wiki content [03:32] also, check www.ksandro.info ->search->Friends....and see some of the slackers sites ;) [03:32] (and you better read manuals if you're using a bleeding edge, rolling release dist) [03:33] Coke: read manuals for everything you use ;) always helps ;) [03:33] hi guys, i'm trying to mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.10-grsec -m ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/wd/root -L and what i recieve at the end is vgscan --mknodes doesnt make anything at initrd launch. (i checked that modules ext3.ko, jbd.ko (??) have been added. [03:34] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dnhiqkvrgxilvelx) left irc: Changing host [03:34] wario (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:34] wario (nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Changing host [03:34] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dnhiqkvrgxilvelx) joined ##slackware. [03:34] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-138.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:34] what might be the problem creating initrd with lvm support? [03:35] looker, try /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [03:35] it's a useful tool [03:35] question: Is there a way to check all the logs-site for specific records, like what "somenickname" said? is really tiring of going to all those one by one by hand...:( [03:35] ok, thanks for the tip, shall try [03:35] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:36] The-Croupier: im not so sure. I've stumbled upon Ubuntu manuals and forums while googling, they seem as helpful as MSDN articles. [03:36] Coke: i dont understand the comparison...cause i have never used MSDN articles ;) shall try though ;) [03:37] Coke: check the friends category, you will find some of the slackers there...with lots of tips ;) and pkgs...etc...;) [03:37] msdn articles are pretty lame :) [03:37] The-Croupier: yeah. sounds awesome [03:37] slava_dp: ohh i see [03:37] Coke: did you check it ? [03:38] Thurin1 (~amunra@modemcable213.189-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:38] The-Croupier: the wiki? [03:39] The-Croupier, the backlog over @ http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ has been out...just got back online recently...explains while there's no entries for some days [03:39] I like the fact that he presents himself by name and interrest [03:39] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] was referring to the backlogs @ http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ [03:40] Coke: who does? [03:40] What's your take on ext3 vs ext4? [03:40] The-Croupier: alienbob [03:40] heya MLanden, how's it going? [03:41] heya,fire|bird...goin' good..yourself? [03:41] It makes the wiki more personal and, quite frankly, more accessible somehow [03:41] MLanden: going good, thanks. Mess with anything exciting lately? [03:41] phoronix tests on ext3 vs ext4 looks like ext3 wins by default since ext4 isn't really faster and isn't as stable yet. Any advice? [03:41] fire|bird, no,not really...you? [03:42] MLanden: nope, nothing here either. KDE 4.4.2 is out though. [03:43] fire|bird, should be 'bout nother couple weeks with XFCE 4.8 [03:44] yet,might get pushed though rc's soon [03:45] MLanden: yeah, that's certainly something to look forward too. [03:45] MLanden: thanks for those too sites ;) they were missing for my site ;) definately something ppl should check while using slack ;) [03:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] slava_dp: i'm currently chrooted to my system after booting with slackware cd. So mkinitrd_command_generator.sh doesn't see my mounts. Would anyone happen to remind me what has to be done for the chrooted system to see mounts? (i have mount --rbind proc and sys chrooted systems /proc/ and /sys/) [03:45] The-Croupier, np...came to mind when you were askin' if anything was new since last we spoke [03:46] godmode (~godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:46] fire|bird: http://firebird.buhkit.net/offtopic/index.html this seems to not be working or something.... :( [03:46] looker, you can bind mount any other filesystems too. [03:46] is there something wrong in the url? or its not public? [03:47] fire|bird: ohh hi by the way :p [03:47] MLanden: looks like they're aiming for a June release: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule [03:47] i mean mtab is empty in chrooted system [03:47] The-Croupier: yes, that page is down, stats just aren't working right atm so I took that page down, for now. [03:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:47] cr3rzemjest: i figured out the icon problem. I also deleted the temp files in /tmp and my icons are back [03:47] i can't just copy it [03:47] cr3rzemjest: did you figure out your systray problem? [03:47] looker, so symlink it temporarily? :)\ [03:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:48] wario: no [03:48] fire|bird, thanks,so I read....that why I stated rc's.. [03:48] fire|bird: is it coming up soon? or ...., when is it going to be online in the future? you know? [03:48] should i also try to delete tmp files? [03:48] but which files, i dunno [03:48] still... in booted i have /dev/mapper/WD-root mounted to /chroot/ as ext3 and if i symlink and then chroot to this directory, i think that it will be a bit bogus [03:48] godmode (godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [03:48] The-Croupier: atm, I am really not sure. [03:48] cr3rzemjest: if you delete tpm/ it would be a good idea not to be in x [03:49] but will give it a try [03:49] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:49] cr3rzemjest: yes, it's worth a shot. I did a rm -rf /tmp/.* and rm -rf /tmp/enlightenment-* [03:49] i need x atm ;p [03:49] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [03:49] fire|bird: if you need any help just tell me, i could try to help, im free on easter ;) [03:49] ok,i'll try that later :) [03:49] cr3rzemjest: i would say do not delete tmp/ while in x, [03:49] ok [03:49] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:49] yeah, i wasn't in X [03:49] you dont know what files are being used by what...might mess up stuff [03:50] cr3rzemjest: why you need x? looking at pr0n? [03:50] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.130) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:50] lol [03:51] no [03:51] ^^ [03:52] wario: lol ;) [03:52] wario: where are you from? [03:53] US east coast [03:57] you? [03:57] wario= is the place where the sperm goes...stays there for a while, and then becomes a baby ;) <-- in Greek ;) [03:57] fire|bird, upgraded virtualbox to 3.1.6 yet? [03:58] haha [03:58] wario: Greece ;) [03:58] athens [03:58] ah nice [04:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-138.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:00] looker (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) left ##slackware. [04:00] wario: everytime i type that nick, i lmao ;) sorry...its well funny [04:00] all sorts of things come to mind ;) [04:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-135.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:01] well, that is better than nothing. :D [04:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:01] next time you should try wothiki ;) [04:01] I was thinking more of mario's arch nemesis when I chose it though. lol [04:01] MLanden: yeah [04:02] fire|bird: is there any other sites of yours i could link at my bookmarks? ;) [04:02] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:02] i'll keep that in mind thanks. ;)) [04:03] The-Croupier: no, that one was pretty much it. [04:04] Emeau-cat (~Emeau-cat@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-192.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:05] :( :) [04:05] what you up 2 these days...:( [04:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-116-142.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:07] Morn [04:07] good morning Zordrak [04:08] fire|bird, http://omploader.org/vNDAxMw for the spring..:D [04:09] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:15] MLanden: nice. The weather here was quite spring like today, reached 73F [04:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:16] fire|bird, been warm as well here but wet on/off [04:18] MLanden: yeah, there's a chance of rain here for the weekend. [04:19] MLanden: http://omploader.org/vNDAxNw [04:21] fire|bird, cool..same POV(but different day) of that other photo you showed me [04:22] MLanden: yeah, different day and more sun shine. [04:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-105.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:23] fire|bird, tried overlapping the photos to get like winter on one bank and spring on the other? [04:23] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [04:23] MLanden: Hmm, no I haven't but that'd be fun to try out. [04:24] MLanden: pm? [04:24] sure [04:24] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] MLanden: i like that conky ;) on the right of the screen ;) could you pastebin the conky.conf if you dont mind...:( i saw some on the official conky site ;) but that one seems nice [04:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:29] fire|bird: also, what on earth are those icons next to the clock?!! is the first one from the right the 4workplaces?!...is it a xfce theme/icon theme or something? (great icons...) [04:30] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:30] The-Croupier, got 'bout 6 or 7 scripts tied to it for an older intel...but you can browse [04:32] MLanden: ? didnt understand your answer...:( [04:34] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:35] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] MLanden: worms 4 ? wine ? [04:35] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:35] anavel, wine [04:36] ah [04:36] MLanden: what CPU is that ? [04:38] anavel, pentium4 w/ht [04:38] i c. [04:39] Where can I change the repo for sbopkg? I want 12.2 repo. [04:40] mirmillo: there is a menu in the sbo...were to change it ;) [04:40] also, i think i read somewhere on their site that... it recognises what system you got automagically [04:41] The-Croupier, http://pastebin.com/St5wnGzn just need to find wordwrap.sh from the archlinux forum's..forgot which weather script I was using [04:43] The-Croupier: I get this msg while trying to browse the packages:repo seems to be empty [04:44] I've tried to make a sync and does not work. [04:44] The-Croupier, http://github.com/rangalo/google_weather [04:45] MLanden: ;) thanks ill have a go at it ;) [04:45] i dont use weather ;) [04:47] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [04:47] I try to install a package that exists only 12.2 or older version [04:49] wow what is this?! http://pastebin.com/u0QauCVc [04:50] looks like someones ssh-rsa key or something :( [04:50] rsa key [04:50] for user root on a machine named khaghani [04:50] alisonken1noc: ;) yep got that much ;) [04:50] that is mean...pastebining it ;) hope it is not the real one :( [04:51] the question is: someone pastebinning an ssh key :) [04:51] The-Croupier, was blue for another wallpaper .. just used gcolor2 to change it over to various shades of green [04:51] ;) nice ;) ill probably make it transparent or something ;) [04:52] alisonken1noc: yeah....;) if its the guy pastebining it himself ... he must be stupid ;) [04:52] i wonder if it is a hacked one or something ;) [04:52] I have a problem with my encrypted hd. I followed the README_CRYPT.TXT, on the cd.. and as I have done many times, got it setup. But when I try to boot, I get the error mount /dev/cryptvg/root on /mnt failed: invalid argument [04:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:52] on the other hand.... how can one find a pc named khaghani, in this mess of an Internet [04:56] The-Croupier, ever use the xtide program? [04:56] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:57] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:13] Action: MLanden brushes up on Geology 101 and Geography 101 on the lack of tides on the Med Sea..:D [05:18] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:20] The-Croupier, I've seen various folks usin' one of the rss scripts for such things as train schedules as well as ferry times with conky [05:23] yay; i'm finally getting cores from my compiler [05:25] damn i hate variables [05:25] heh [05:25] looker (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:26] a great and powerful wizard of programmers sat at his desk; writing code to control the elusive Tele of Scopes where he worked. on his desk sat a block-o-wo0d with a magic incantation of Symbols: ``Help Stamp out Variables'' [05:26] has anyone any idea, why would initrd can't find active volumes (lvm)? [05:26] none exist? [05:27] later,peeps...talk with all later [05:27] there are created /dev/WD/root and so on [05:27] wait [05:27] there's one more [05:27] i just can't get it solved, out of ideas [05:27] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:27] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:27] variables are holders of state. aint programming languages sposed to be context-free? [05:27] looker google the lvm [05:28] googled allready [05:28] nothing new [05:28] :( [05:28] well, its sleepy time here [05:28] but i'm just a lurker [05:29] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:29] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.118.96) joined ##slackware. [05:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:29] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:30] Axius (~fd@92.82.73.163) joined ##slackware. [05:30] D3lahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[06:17] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-204.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:18] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-126-192.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:19] What's the recommended SMTP server to use? Sendmail? [06:20] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.69) left irc: Quit: used WLIrc [06:20] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [06:20] i don't think "recommended" is the right word. [06:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:21] some people like sendmail; others postfix, qmail, ec [06:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [06:22] i reccomend postfix for a proper MTA.. if its just client forwarding, leave sendmail on [06:22] Coke, sendmail has many security issues.. maybe qmail or postix are better [06:22] i think it's a myth that sendmail has more holes [06:23] lets just say sendmail is a bear to configure properly - qmail and postfix are easier to work with [06:23] also some people use ecim [06:23] if sendmail had numerous security issues i doubt patrick would include it [06:23] er exim [06:24] Delahunt, sendmail has had numerous security issues in the past and will continue to have more. Once upon a time it was the king of MTAs, and as to be expected since it was what everone used, it was the one that had exploits (no other MTA was around) [06:25] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [06:25] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:25] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [06:25] also, it is important to note that sendmail is OLD...it was born during a time when people weren't coding with security in mind...we were more naive then [06:26] i think sendmail presently approaches security just as professionally as other MTAs [06:26] mancha, but like i said i doubt patrick would include it if that were the case [06:26] gotta love http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/3/30/290 =) [06:26] Delahunt, ok what you say makes no sense to me :) [06:26] (selinux part) [06:26] Your litmus test on security is if Pat includes something or not? [06:27] mancha: i cant agree.. Postfix was created *specifically* to have a more secure construction than the other available MTAs, including sendmail [06:27] i think pat hasnt changed simply because he is more comfortable with sendmail himself and wont change unless theres a really good reason [06:27] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:28] yes postfix did have a security related genesis and is quite a solid daemon [06:28] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [06:28] as far as using pat as a yardstick by which to gauge application security? that's pretty pathetic [06:30] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.87) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [06:30] by extension then, slackware is pathetic [06:30] Delahunt: thats crap [06:30] my point is that if it had that many problems, i highly doubt pat would keep it included [06:30] Delahunt: sameone didnt do a course on logic at school [06:31] *Many* is a very subjective word [06:31] especially since patrick seems more interested in keeping slackware on one DVD than in keeping any specific software [06:31] if it's disposable, and slackware won't fit on one dvd, it seems to get moved / ejected [06:32] Delahunt: that argument holds no water either. Since the txz move theres a lot more space [06:32] and i've read before in changelog of stuff being removed because bugs weren't being fixed ("no longer maintained") [06:32] Delahunt, i have no idea what you're talking about [06:32] a lot more space? [06:32] i can't follow anything you say [06:32] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:33] -rwxr-xr-x 1 robert users 3.7G 2009-09-13 18:14 /home/robert/isos/slackware/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [06:33] oh, back to mta security, the qmail fella forget his name, used to offer $$ for anyone who found a bug/sploit [06:33] we got about .3G left or so [06:33] not sure if he stuff does that [06:33] if he still * [06:34] qmail rules itself out with insanity in its comlpexity [06:34] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:34] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:34] imho to suggest that patrick is keeping something in slackware with permanent and grave security issues is disrespectful of the man [06:34] i forget how much he offered...for some reason $2000 rings a bell, can that be right? [06:34] I wouldnt shoot someone for running Exim or Postfix, or sendmail if its a single client install... but qmail.. id shoot them [06:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:35] Action: Delahunt steps back so Zordrak can shoot mancha 8-) [06:35] Delahunt you really should stop trying to provoke controversy where there isn't one. You keep trying to turn this into people insulting pat or sayingslackware is pathetic. You serioulsy need your head checked. [06:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-175.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:35] i'm not the one coming in here saying it has grave and permanent security problems [06:35] s/checked/lobotomised/ [06:36] if true, it would be the first time i've seen patrick keep something like that in slackware [06:36] and with as long as i've used slackware, that would be very out of character for patrick [06:36] this conversation is surreal.... [06:36] Action: mancha pinches himself [06:36] stop smoking crack then 8-) [06:37] Action: Delahunt wasn't the one with the sword of surreality 8-) [06:37] Am1ne: qmail has wrong license for me [06:37] I'm used to using Exim4 [06:38] How does the basic bash setup work for users? I can't find any global bash input scripts in /etc [06:38] profile.d [06:38] gah i hate shutterfly [06:38] Coke, /etc/profile.d [06:38] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:38] alisonken1noc: my .bashrc isn't executed by default so im gonna have to take a look [06:39] Action: Delahunt just wants to download all the pictures as files that someone shared with him, not use their laggy interface [06:39] use .bash_profile then [06:39] Coke, and you're sure you're running bash and not something else like csh? [06:40] alisonken1noc: what's default? [06:40] Coke, bashrc gets called for non-login shells (i.e. scripts), and .bash_profile -- for login shells. [06:40] Coke: echo $SHELL [06:40] SHELL=/bin/bash in my env [06:40] slava_dp: oki doki [06:40] Coke, some distros source bashrc in bash_profile, that's all. [06:40] slava_dp: is there a way to do it for all shells or just symlink? [06:41] Coke, but qmail is hardly secured ! they have their own libc lib ! [06:41] edit /etc/profile, and source /etc/bashrc or .bashrc there. [06:41] Hmmmmm. Bash completion works really really weird [06:41] cd completed /root/packages/Makefile [06:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:42] why would cd complete a filename? [06:42] Am1ne: I dont really need my own libc, I need an SMTP server that's easy to configure [06:44] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:44] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:44] you have many choices to do.. but postifix still the moderate one ! [06:46] Am1ne: ok. I don't really need any fancy features. just drop mail to procmail [06:46] and from procmail I deliver to Maildirs [06:47] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.111) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-175.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:47] Am1ne: speaking of security, I'm thinking of setting up a KDC and using kerberos tickets for most services [06:48] Am1ne: got any insight on that? any woes? [06:48] certainly, no fancy features are required at first. and then comes in spam... [06:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:48] ananke: procmail takes care of it by piping it through spamassassin [06:48] TBH, i would never ever use an MTA that had built-in spam detection [06:49] bloatie bloatie looks like a goatie [06:49] Coke: that's silly. a lot of spam can be stopped at MTA, without having to cause extra load on your system [06:49] configuring UBE/UCE counts as built-in? [06:50] ananke: yeah, but why when spamassassin does it so much better? [06:50] and while you're at it, add calendar and filesharing to your MTA too and you've got MS Exchange. No thanks. [06:50] Coke: 'much better' is relative. no, it doesn't do 'much better' [06:50] ananke: oh, but it does [06:51] Coke: ohh but it doesn't [06:51] not only do I subscribe to plenty of blacklists, I also use some rules from other publishers [06:51] ananke: whatever. you go ahead and use Exchange with filesharing, calendar and anything else you can put into your MTA [06:51] I prefer my MTA to just deliver mail, period [06:51] hyperbole much? [06:51] ananke: why stop at just spam checking? [06:52] In fact, when I have offered a linux MTA that does just mail customers often say "but Exchange does EVERYTHING, that's better for sure" [06:52] Coke: indeed. i also can scan for viruses/malware on that level [06:52] less code = less problems [06:52] ananke: ok. I wont. I'll pipe that to some other system [06:53] so my system remains modular and each component is specialized for the task [06:53] you seem to resort to an invalid hyperbole. your argument that fighting spam on mta level equals calendaring is simply silly [06:53] ananke: i didnt say it equals [06:53] I'm asking why stop with the bloating? [06:53] why not just continue? [06:53] because that's a hyperbole [06:53] No, it's called MS Exchange [06:53] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.98) joined ##slackware. [06:53] no, it's a hyperbole [06:53] whatever. [06:53] MS Hyperbole [06:54] ananke: you can say that word as many times as you want, MS Exchange and Outlook are still the two most popular ways to transfer mail simply because they are bloated with features that have nothing to do with email [06:54] Coke: i'm not discussing exchange. you are [06:55] ananke: yes, and more generaly: bloated software that does things it shouldn't normally care about [06:55] Coke, only if you run MS - since I don't, I can't even use them [06:55] even if I wanted to [06:55] yes, that's totally missing my point though [06:56] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [06:56] 'bloat' is a word that doesn't have real substantial meaning. if you can't argue your point without using hyperbole, don't [06:56] ananke: it's not hyperbolic and it's a fact of IT [06:56] your point is talking about non-Linux software in a linux channel [06:56] alisonken1noc: uhm no [06:56] alisonken1noc: you absolutely missed the point [06:57] I still prefer my systems as modular as is possible with specialized and interchangable components [06:57] Coke: you seem to be unable to grasp the idea that fighting spam on multiple levels is NOT equal to adding calendaring of ms exchange [06:57] ananke: but why stop at spam and virus scanning? [06:57] ananke: why not put it all into the MTA? [06:57] Coke: again, that's a hyperbole [06:58] you seem to be under the impression that if i do one thing, i suddenly must do another. [06:58] no [06:58] yes [06:58] Where did I write you "must" ? [06:58] and again - why go to that extreme unless you're running MS software? [06:58] I asked you, what is your logical reasoning behind stopping at just virus and spam checks? [06:58] 'if i go outside and walk around the house, why stop there? why not walk to china?'. that hyperbole is absurd [06:58] alisonken1noc: my question is; why put spam and virus checks into the MTA process? [06:59] ananke: no [06:59] Coke: yes [06:59] ananke: because probably you have a point with walking, right? [06:59] was the point excercise? to get to a place? [06:59] my point with the MTA is simply to receive and send over SMTP [06:59] that's it [06:59] it transfers email, it's in the name. it's not Mail Transfer and Processing Agent [06:59] Action: alienBOB has spamsassassin plugged into his sendmail and spamassassin in turn uses clamav as a filter. Kills almost all spam in our home, and catches viruses every day . That is what a MTA can do for you [06:59] Coke: and that's what it does now. it transfers mail, the one i want it to [07:00] Coke, because it's easier to check spam/viruses at one location and update that one service than it is to try to keep X number of workstations updated [07:00] Coke: do you run an open relay? [07:00] ananke: it also scans and process them [07:00] I'd rather leave that to procmail and spamassassin [07:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:00] But thanks for the advice. [07:00] Coke: so you run an open relay? [07:00] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:00] If spamassassin should ever fail me I'll check your sollution out [07:01] alienBOB: that's the exact setup I'm going for. and I'm probably just gonna go with sendmail out of familiarity [07:01] alienBOB: bingo. you fight things like spam on multiple levels in the chain. claiming that only one of them deserves that role is silly [07:02] ananke: sendmail isn't written to combat spam, it's written to deliver mail [07:02] spasmassassin is precisely written to combat spam [07:02] Coke: again, do you run an open relay or not? [07:02] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:02] Exactly. And sendmail does not check those emails - it just feeds them to spamassassin and retrieves the processed emails afterwards [07:02] alienBOB: thank you [07:02] i presume you don't want to answer that question, simply because it would take away from your nonsense argument [07:02] ananke: uhm no [07:03] ananke: it will in fact be user authenticated if you relay [07:03] Coke: why not? didn't you say mta's job is to transfer mail? [07:03] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [07:03] ohh, now user authentication. what's next, echange? [07:03] ananke: actually, the authentication will be done by an external process [07:03] [07:03] sendmail has some nice additions in more recent versions like smpt auth, starttls, etc, milter ftw [07:03] mancha: any kerberos checks? [07:03] Coke: why don't you relay all e-mails? [07:04] ananke, Coke you both want the same thing with sendmail and spamassassin, you just don't see it, so stop the bickering now please [07:04] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Coke, to be honest, i stopped fussing aroud with kerberos tickets a while ago, but sure, you can use kerb to auth userrs [07:04] mancha: how come? [07:04] not worth the trouble? [07:05] hi, how to check if a hard disk partition has bad sectors or not? [07:05] i didn't see it as a better platform than other more mainstream auth mechanisms [07:05] probably more of an issue with MS users and MS braindead version of kerberos [07:05] Since all our clients are linux machines I thought I'd get a single sign on going with kerberos for all the filesystems, printing etc [07:05] alreadygone: badblocks. but start with smartctl [07:05] thank you ananke [07:05] alisonken1noc: the policy in my company is; if you buy windows you're responsible [07:05] I wanted to deduct the cost from sallaries, but it was overruled :( [07:06] I wouldn't mind that if the deduction included spam/virus cleaning from their workstations as well [07:06] alisonken1noc: we don't do any of that [07:06] I'm actually not even gonna bother with virus scan on email [07:07] if they run windows - that's another story. [07:07] mancha: what other mainstream auth mechanisms can you recommend? [07:07] kerberos is the only one I know how to setup [07:07] alisonken1noc: viruses run windows.???!! since then... [07:08] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [07:10] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:11] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-72.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:12] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:14] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] ananke, I ran smartctl --all /dev/sda, it has errors, what does this tell you: http://www.pastie.org/896840 [07:19] "Pastie wisely." - Hmmm - makes me think of Paris showgirls [07:19] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:20] Action: alreadygone is Googling Pastie wisely [07:20] Woo.. Oracle on the path to killing OpenSolaris.. one more step towards complete death of solaris [07:21] alreadygone, look at the bottom of the pastebin you posted :) [07:21] just did that ... :] [07:21] well, trying to re-commercialize it [07:22] alreadygone, google "pastie" [07:23] alisonken1home, I found the "Pastie wisely" at bottom of the page... :) [07:24] I got that - I was just suggesting google "pastie" and see if it comes up with french showgirl (or vegas showgir, or ...) :) [07:24] aah, NOW I know, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasties [07:24] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-72.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:24] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:27] may be I was not supposed to post that link... hm [07:27] Thanks for the input guys! I'm out. [07:28] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:28] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:28] maginot (~maginot@189.4.98.232) joined ##slackware. [07:28] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Hi ... does anyone knows how to change firefox language ? I have built it from source and its on english [07:33] preferences/contents/fonts and colors/ [07:35] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dmlngsgqltvplksz) joined ##slackware. [07:36] morning [07:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-3.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:38] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:41] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [07:48] yo [07:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-3.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:51] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:53] printing a 1.5GB job sure is hard on the machine [07:54] dang [07:54] what the heck is 1.5GB? [07:54] printing the Linux source code, i see... 8-) [07:54] An 80mmx80mm silicon chip [07:54] lol [07:54] hehe [07:54] oh you're silicon printing [07:54] i was about to say ... [07:55] .. this is ink on paper printing [07:55] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] hmm - I happen to have a few seagate 1.5T drives - would those help? [07:55] o.O [07:55] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-118-80.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:55] 2G/2G ram used.. 4G/8G swap used [07:55] its a 42"x60" plot of a chip [07:56] i'm confused. how are you printing a 80mmx80mm silicon chip? like, the schematic for it, in entirety? printing the electrical schematic for a core 2 duo? 8-) [07:56] oh [07:56] big shame gs is a single threaded application [07:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) joined ##slackware. [07:58] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:58] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:01] can -s options of iptables accept more than 1 ip address ? [08:01] no [08:01] not that I'm aware of [08:01] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:01] so I have to add many lines for each ip [08:01] ? [08:01] except possibly a -s x.x.x.x/24 or something [08:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:01] give it a try [08:01] you talk about ip/mask ? [08:02] I simply have 4 ip that had the same rules [08:02] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:03] and I wont to use the same rule for each ip as result having multi lines doing same thing [08:03] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-160.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:06] can use a bash loop :^) [08:06] for addr in 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 3.3.3.3; do iptables .... -s $addr ....; done [08:06] mps31 (~mps@82.132.139.42) joined ##slackware. [08:06] slava_dp, you are so logical :P [08:07] i use bash loops for everything [08:08] LukeL_ (nobody@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [08:09] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:11] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] greetings [08:11] qt-x (~c1e206e2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dhiagpnuxdhjqbcv) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:12] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:12] does anyone have a preferred way to auto install multiple systs, or select a class of system to install from a single cd ?? [08:12] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:12] slava_dp, there is one : --src-range [08:12] --src-range ip-ip [08:13] mps31: use one machine as a repo, then setup a netboot image [08:13] Am1ne, oh, great [08:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:13] mps31, see usb_and_pxe_installers in the slackware tree. [08:14] there's a pretty detailed howto, you'll need to set up a pxe server and an nfs/http/ftp/samba package repo. [08:15] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [08:15] slava_dp, at first you need to add the adequate module with iptables -m iprange [08:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-160.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:15] mps31: real unattended automated installation using PXE boot (or any other boot) is not possible in Slackware... we do not have support for installation scripts in the installer. [08:15] then use the option [08:15] its possible in slackware [08:15] Kosty1 (~john@c-98-219-58-113.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:15] just not as easy [08:15] slava_dp: thanks, I was hoping to do it without pxe [08:15] mps31, also see http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/remote-installation-of-slackware-using-ssh/ [08:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:16] alienBOB: that's a shame [08:16] Am1ne you can use ipset [08:16] mancha, another module ? [08:17] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:17] yes [08:17] iptable's module* [08:17] ok [08:17] maginot (~maginot@189.4.98.232) left irc: Quit: have to go to work! [08:17] you can modify a setup script yourself - something I've played with [08:17] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:17] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] yeah but I prefer the originals solutions ! :) [08:18] alisonken1noc: I may need to do that - i want to give a cd to a noc guy, and say put this in and reboot it [08:19] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:24] LukeL_ (nobody@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Bye! [08:24] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:30] mps31 (~mps@82.132.139.42) left irc: Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info [08:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-153.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:34] damnnit #cups is invite only [08:35] looker (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) left ##slackware. [08:35] gs is hanging on a stdout write call and the print job just hangs dead forever [08:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-153.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:36] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.61) joined ##slackware. [08:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:39] I cant edit sudoers file, visudo open the file but I cat write, I think there is a problem with vi and vim at my system. Is there any other safe way to edit sudoers file exept visudo ? [08:39] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] uh vi /etc/sudoers [08:40] is sudoers supported in slackware ? [08:40] visudo has some extra checks to make sure you don't blatantly have an error [08:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:40] wow [08:40] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [08:40] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [08:40] the same subject [08:40] rizitis: you need root to write it [08:40] I am root [08:41] rizitis, and are you trying to edit it as root or user [08:41] ok [08:41] then just open it with any editor [08:41] as root [08:41] ok I ll try thanks [08:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:46] ok nano did the job so now I have to find what is the problem with vi and vim. [08:46] I use visudo all the time, never any problems [08:47] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [08:48] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:48] alienBOB, probably I made something wrong... [08:49] Does anyone know how to replace a mis-spelled word in elvis(1), with the `:set spell' option? [08:54] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [08:54] when I command visudo I cant edit the file only up, down, left and right is working. But even if I stop the program vi still working and only if I kill it it stops.. [08:54] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:55] hi, do you guys have some advice? why does a new harddisk got bad sectors? http://www.pastie.org/896941 [08:55] rizitis, did you put it in edit mode? [08:55] when you start vi/visudo - it's in command mode, not edit mode [08:55] alreadygone: Even new disks can still be broken. [08:55] ops [08:56] alisonken1home, how I put it in edit mode, please [08:56] I chose 'y', what was I supposed to do there? should I have chosen 'n'? Error reading block 33365010 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read). Ignore error? [08:57] rizitis, http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html [08:57] thanks [08:57] alreadygone: If you selected 'n' it would probably keep trying (and failing) to read that block. [08:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:57] Does anyone know how to replace a mis-spelled word in elvis(1), with the `:set spell' option? [08:57] ok, thank you adamk [08:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-138.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:59] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2FE2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ^;^ b [09:00] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.118.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:01] vimtutor is also a command [09:01] it tutors you to vim [09:03] sahk0, just did man vimtutor ! very good thank you [09:04] nice. it is really helpful to get you started with [09:04] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.125.97) joined ##slackware. [09:05] its even available in greek. vimtutor gr [09:05] i dont know how good it is translated though [09:05] If its not I will translate it :) [09:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:07] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.38.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:08] sahk0, I cant translate it better, very good job. [09:08] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:09] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:09] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-138.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:10] Am1ne (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] hey all, I just added a 2TB disk to my system and wondering what f/s I should format it with... I remember being "corrected" (with some harsh words!) after using ext3 on my old 1TB disk ;) [09:10] yeah seems nice, and equally importantly , complete [09:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:12] theblackbox: I use ext3 on my 2TB disk [09:12] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-204.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:13] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] yeah, I've always used it as well, cheers [09:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-118-135.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:15] large FSes like that i asways use XFS if for no other reason than to stop losing so much space to the FS itself [09:15] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [09:17] rollo (~rollo@brln-4d0c555b.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] that's the one I was thinking of (harsh words = hyperbole), how much does it save, Zordrak [09:18] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:19] I use xfs on large volumes too. a 400 gig disk is enough reason to use xfs. [09:19] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] theblackbox, you might lose a vast number of gigabytes with ext3/4. [09:20] a lack of a UPS might be a reason not to use it though [09:20] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [09:20] although in case of a power failure its hit or miss anyway [09:21] ext3/4 reserves 5% of the disk space by default, but this can be tweaked even to 0% [09:22] sahk0, wrong [09:22] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:23] sahk0, we're talking not about the reserved for superuser space, but about filesystem structures. [09:23] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] for instance, your disk may be 600 gig, with xfs it's 598 gig, with ext3 it's 540 gig. [09:23] 500G on ext3 is enough to lose 30G of space [09:23] that's how it goes. [09:23] slava_dp: ++ [09:24] oh , ok [09:24] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:43] !ext* [09:43] Zordrak, ahh, well that's okay then ;) [09:44] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.38.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [09:44] I've formatted my storage partition that I'm going to use with Zoneminder DVR to xfs. [09:44] will I regret? [09:45] zm stores events as thousands of small jpeg files. [09:45] nope [09:45] it deps on the sware anyway... try it and see how it performs [09:45] Zordrak, that's reassuring, thanks :) [09:45] for a DVR youll be glad of those extra GBs [09:46] BentoPUNK (BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:48] Axius (~hi@92.82.80.130) joined ##slackware. [09:48] what's next slackware version ??when it release [09:49] slack_fish: whatever pat feels like, whenever he feels like it [09:49] ok [09:50] look forward to [09:51] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-180.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [10:01] though this may not be a slackware-specific issue, I can't get VirtualBox PUEL 3.1.6 to run vms [10:01] Oh yes, that's it, it's a political party, the Lemon Party. [10:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [10:02] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.47) joined ##slackware. [10:02] the /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup fails [10:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:02] what's meaning lemon party?? [10:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [10:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:03] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [10:04] x-day: please do not discuss that in ##slackware [10:04] It belongs in an offtopic channel [10:04] ok [10:05] sorry sir.. [10:05] alienBOB, it belongs to hell [10:05] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:06] This is a support channel, people of all ages come here for help - we need a little bit of self-censorship in cases like this. It is too gross [10:06] Action: slava_dp remembers himself asking the same question once, and getting "you better not ask" in response ;) [10:06] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:07] Good morning! [10:07] Heya, Alan_Hicks [10:08] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:08] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] one mention of lemons, and look who shows up [10:08] hahaha [10:08] Alan_Hicks: v3 poke [10:08] bob ,i'm a crazy slackware user,,, [10:08] /msg chanserv op ##slackware Alan_Hicks [10:08] ooops..... [10:08] lol [10:08] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:08] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Zordrak: Thanks for the reminder. :^) [10:09] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-118-135.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:09] slack_fish: don't worry. You did not start ;-) [10:10] Do not blow me [10:11] Action: slava_dp facepalms [10:11] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-30-143.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Hehe [10:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] I hope for your sake slack_fish that you did not know what you just typed there [10:11] lol [10:11] i hope s/blow/blame/ was intended.... [10:12] So.... anybody got a Slackware question? :-) [10:12] no [10:12] Alan_Hicks: you don't want my question :) [10:12] v3 anyone? :) [10:13] I use very good, no problems [10:13] yes i have a question [10:13] tom_tom_tom (~sfgf@host213-120-37-228.range213-120.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] does validia work with qt3 from slackbuilds or do i need to update ? [10:14] i have this stupid maxwell usb stick that has a secure 1 MB partition and another 8 GIG device when i plug it in only the secure section comes up [10:14] goarilla: fdisk -l /dev/whatever [10:15] on fc ... i get 2 distinct devices sdc sdd [10:15] i only get sdc in slackware [10:15] You should see the second partition and be able to mount it. [10:15] well i don't fdisk only reveals the 1 MB secure device with its one partition [10:15] huh... [10:15] i tried restarting udev but that doesn't help [10:15] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [10:16] What does dmesg show when you plug it in? [10:16] dont those thinks need a special driver? [10:16] do you know why there is no security updates for firefox, openssl, maybe more... ? [10:16] last one i saw you had to open the tinf partiton in windows and run a binary that loaded the other partition [10:16] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.47) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:16] Thom1: moronic question as usual. FF and openssl are both up to date with security patches [10:17] http://pastebin.com/gqTCEHDn [10:18] tom_tom_tom, is it vidalia that you want ? if so, the slackbuild for Qt says it's new enough (4.4 vs the 4.3 or newer that vidalia wants) [10:19] tom_tom_tom, Qt4 from slackbuilds, however [10:19] trhodes, i dont have kde installed qt4 without it ? [10:19] Zordrak, isn't the bug that FF 3.6.2 fixes relevant to slackware? [10:20] yeah viladia [10:20] what's viladia? [10:20] vidalia, for the tor onion routing stuff [10:20] (i guess) [10:21] can i install qt4 without kde trhodes ? [10:21] yes [10:21] the matlab-like Torch5 requires Qt4.4 or higher too. [10:21] slava_dp: .2 isnt in /patches? [10:21] last I checked it wasnt [10:21] goarilla: huh.... and fdisk -l /dev/sdb only reveals the one partition? That's pretty unusual. [10:21] meh.. ok.. so it was a half-moronic question [10:21] yes [10:21] ff 3.6.2 is in fact patching a serious flaw which IS relevantto slackware users [10:22] it's not moronic at all. [10:22] surely it is relevant... i was wondering about the lack of update [10:22] i let FF update itself anyway, so i personally dont care when patches turn up.. i get them when theyre mozilla release them [10:22] goarilla: Might want to tray "parted -l /dev/sdb" [10:22] as to openssl, keep in mind that 0.9.8n is on par with 1.0.0 a far as security bugs, the latter having more features. [10:22] Zordrak, is your root fs on vfat? my FF is read-only :) [10:23] i'm on 12.0 don't have the parted program [10:23] Ah. [10:23] trhodes, i cant see qt4 in slackbuilds [10:23] mancha: the question was FF, openssl and maybe more. Approaching fud. its only ff [10:23] except it's not about your particular FF setup zordrak. [10:23] slava_dp: no.. but i do have my own en_GB build [10:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:23] Zordrak, oh... my build is system-wide still..... [10:23] it's about users in general and a distribution. i am sure the guy asking the Q could give two fucks about how you personally set thingsup [10:24] Hmmm... all the ones like this that I've seen were Windows only bullcrap, but if Fedora opens the second partition, Slackware should as well. [10:24] mancha: point being he almost certainly is referring to openssl v1 which is not a security patch [10:24] I wonder if you'd have better luck with 13.0's newer kernel and utilities? [10:24] mancha: bear in mind i have Thom1's nick red-tagged from past utter idiocy [10:24] prob [10:24] aha, i have no such benefit of past experience :/ [10:24] fc 10 works [10:25] yes, the openssl 1.0.0 release is not a security patch over 0.9.8n but it is nice to see a 1.0 from those folks, they've been at it what, 13 years now? :) [10:25] tom_tom_tom, it's now part of slackware (Qt 4.5.3 is in -current) [10:26] trhodes, could i install it with slackpkg instead ? [10:26] why installpkg qt ? [10:26] *wny not [10:26] which is kernel 2.6.27.5 and not 2.6.21.5 [10:26] i cant find the package in slackbuilds [10:26] though both 0.9.8n and 1.0.0 contain security patches over 0.9.8m and 1.0.0 beta blah (the so-called record of death) [10:26] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:27] euhm i'm gonna try something else [10:27] tom_tom_tom, did you read what I wrote just before you asked about slackpkg ? it's there with your slackware install media [10:28] you can just install qt directly from there [10:28] thats qt3 isnt it ...you mean in extras ? [10:28] qt4 is in l [10:28] no [10:28] Zordrak, does the 1.0.0 stable mean n is the last 0.9.8? [10:29] i would doubt it [10:29] mancha, prolly not [10:29] ok ill look in l [10:29] a bit of overlap a systems migrate i guess makes sense [10:29] *as systems [10:29] .8 will prolly keeep its own devel branch having security patches from 1. merged back into it [10:29] tom_tom_tom: qt-r1008952-x86_64-1.txz # is new enough [10:29] where would i get that trhodes ? [10:29] on the disc [10:30] yes, l/ [10:30] ok [10:30] i run 64 bit, so the arch may vary [10:30] yeah [10:31] how does this auto update of FF work for you? you've installed it as a user or you surf as root? [10:32] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:32] although its not quite that simple you ought to be able to enable it as simply as: chown -R you. /usr/lib/firefox-ver [10:32] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:33] oh you've given your user perms over the files? [10:33] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] i do somethign in the other direction...i have it set up so my compiles are chrooted [10:33] i didnt do it intentionally, it just worked out that way when i built my own en_GB package [10:33] can anyone help me getting VirtualBox to run on -current? [10:33] only about half the dir is my user... but its enugh to enable auto-update [10:34] i am contemplating this auto-update thing since local compiles are getting boring. [10:34] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [10:34] auto updates would certainly be nice [10:34] it takes 3.8 days to compile, and they come out every month [10:35] makes sense.. works very well for me [10:35] and i had 3.6.2 on day one [10:35] i had 3.6.2 on day one too, but i had to churn the cpu first [10:35] aye.. i just clicked a one button :) [10:35] tom_tom_tom (~sfgf@host213-120-37-228.range213-120.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:36] maybe pat's on vacation or on jury duty... [10:39] gtludwig: have you had any specific problems with virtualbox ? [10:39] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:39] does it build ? [10:39] trhodes, yeah, it builds [10:39] using 3.1.6 puel, thought [10:40] ok [10:40] /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup fails all the time [10:40] gtludwig: What kernel? [10:40] 2.6.33 slackware64-current [10:42] Various headers moved from /usr/src/linux/include/linux to /usr/src/linux/include/generated, iirc. [10:43] Thom1 (thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [10:44] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:44] yeah, I tried cd /usr/src/linux/include/linux &&# ln -s ../generated/autoconf.h autoconf.h [10:44] same result [10:45] So what is the compile failing on, then? [10:46] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:46] mancha, I just rebuild Pat's SlackBuild with my localized FF, works great. [10:46] no need to compile, etc. [10:46] maybe, this: vboxdrv: version magic '2.6.33 SMP preempt mod_unload ' should be '2.6.33 SMP mod_unload ' [10:46] Ahhh, so the module compies, but fails to load. [10:46] It looks like the kernel module was compiled against a different config that your currently running kernel. [10:47] weird [10:47] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] odd... I'm using stock -current kernel [10:48] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] make KERN_DIR=${KERNELPATH} ought to be the relevant line [10:49] trhodes, on /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv ? [10:50] theblackbox: In case you are still interested, I use xfs for my media partition. As "small files" I consider size of a few kb [10:50] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:50] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Rantanplan (~rantanpla@stp25-2-82-234-232-249.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] gtludwig, you're using modified slackbuilds for vbox ? [10:54] ie, only the version is different ? [10:55] trhodes, nope, thought those only work for virtualbox-ose [10:57] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [10:58] it may not matter for the kernel module [10:58] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:58] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [11:00] the mksrctarball would not run without modifications though [11:00] is there any limit on initrd.gz before it gets too big? [11:01] gotta fit in ram, yo [11:01] so for my laptop, with 2 gigs.. that's the limit? 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[11:39] no encryption, just lvm [11:39] oh [11:39] and fdisk -l /dev/hda complains that there's no device. I assume, that it doesn't recognise it (missing modules?) [11:39] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4ADF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:39] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:39] looker, you might miss the -L at the mkinitrd command.. [11:40] it's an old pentium III computer, just replaced hard disk to WD 160 GB. I did append -L with mkinitrd :( [11:40] on slackware 13.0 ? the drive names changed [11:41] yes slackware . [11:41] 13.0 [11:41] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-250-248.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:41] http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [11:42] looker, mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/wd/root -C /dev/hda2 -L if the disk is recognized as hda and sda if it's recognized as that [11:42] if i boot it from slackware cd 1, chroot and vgscan finds my devices and mapps them to chrooted systems /dev/wd/root and so on [11:43] which filesystem do you use? [11:43] ext3 on root [11:43] no encryption [11:43] u21166 (~u21@wsip-98-191-75-232.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] u21166 (~u21@wsip-98-191-75-232.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:44] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] u21861 (~u21@wsip-98-191-75-232.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I'm in the process of building a security team and want each individual of the team to concentrate on the GIAC certifications mentioned in the http://www.giac.org/certifications/ web site. I was wondering if any one has some inputs on how can I structure this team and how can I target customers? [11:44] looker, then try to mount everything again (using cd1) and run mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/wd/root -C /dev/hda2 -L [11:45] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-204-34.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:45] my /dev/hda2 is swap [11:45] looker, and change /dev/hda2 to what your disk is recognized as... and which partition you are using [11:45] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] /dev/hda1 is made as physical volume for lvm [11:46] (pvcreate /dev/hda1) [11:46] shall do what you say though [11:47] adamk_ (user@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [11:47] I had the same problem earlier today.. and it was a typo in my command.. hehe and then I forgor -L and the whole thing started again.. hehe [11:48] i have -L, i am sure about that [11:48] :) [11:48] besides, if it was only -L, it wouldn't complain when i type fdisk -l /dev/hda at initrd's console :/ [11:48] i think somehow that initrd doesn't detect my hda [11:49] there is no hda in the new kernel [11:49] trhodes, I beg to differ :) [11:49] really ? [11:49] he ought to try sda [11:49] yeah :) [11:50] i've recompiled kernel to 2.6.32.10 [11:50] fdisk -l on my laptop shows /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 :) [11:50] running 13.0 [11:50] hmm, interesting [11:51] for IDE drives ? [11:51] ok, i've booted slackware 13.0, now vgchange -a y activated all all 3 logical volumes (root, home, log) [11:51] *drive [11:51] It's and old Dell d420 :) [11:51] for ide drive yeah [11:52] but my new laptop Dell E6500 shows as sda [11:52] but that's on s-ata [11:52] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:53] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:53] yeah, hmm, i donno all the quirks of this libata stuff then [11:53] mkdir chroot && mount -t ext3 /dev/wd/root /chroot; mount --rbind /proc /chroot/proc && mount --rbind /sys /chroot/sys && chroot /chroot and making initrd like you said... [11:53] hopefully it works :) [11:54] (my last init looked like this: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.10-grsec -m ide-core:ide-generic:ide-gd_mod:mbcache:jbd:ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/wd/root -L -o /boot/initrd-test2.gz [11:54] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] rebooting [11:56] crossing fingers :) [11:56] Action: looker offering money to computer to succeed [11:56] hehe [11:56] u21861 (~u21@wsip-98-191-75-232.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Quit: http://irc2go.com/ [11:57] I finally got my two laptops to read my sd-card with my key-file on :) [11:57] and.... Reading all physical volumen. This may take a while... mount: mounting /dev/wd/root on /mnt failed: no such file or directory [11:58] at initrd, here i'm at initrd console again [11:58] hmm.. [11:58] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:58] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [11:58] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [11:58] rollo (~rollo@brln-4d0c555b.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:59] and fdisk -l /dev/hda brings error: fdisk: can't open '/dev/hda': no such device or address, and simple fdisk -l doesn't show a thing (probably couse it can't see my ide disks) [11:59] strange [11:59] i'm stuch with this for the second day [12:00] same for /sys/block ? [12:01] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [12:01] in /sys/block there are loop from 0 to 7, ram0 to ram11 [12:02] if it's not there, then, yeah, it looks like it's unrecognized [12:02] would you happen to know what modules are suppose to be built for ide disk support? [12:02] Buddabelly70 (~Owner@c-71-201-228-117.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] hm... shall try with old kernel [12:03] in case i messed up stuff [12:03] did you try huge, too? [12:03] Buddabelly70 (~Owner@c-71-201-228-117.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] i have to build initrd in any way, since i need lvm support before kernel [12:04] i don't know of any modules for ide support, but if another config works, then that would help narrow it down [12:04] yeah [12:04] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.238.86.57) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:04] so didn't try any kernel yet - stuck with initrd [12:04] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4ADF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.3/20100223140908] [12:04] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] does huge.s support lvm by default? [12:05] yeah [12:05] but it doesn't locate logical volumes bah [12:05] you still need the userspace initrd, obviously [12:05] yeah [12:06] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16ECF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:07] Hopefully you get to the bottom of it :) [12:07] building with default kernel initrd [12:08] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [12:11] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Client Quit [12:12] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [12:13] shit [12:13] thank you guys [12:13] you got it working? [12:13] i fked up something while messing with grsecurity and recompiling kernel [12:13] yes, with default kernel everything works fine [12:13] :( [12:14] nice, then it's just to figure out what's wrong with the grsec kernel :) [12:14] atleast wont have to use slackware boot cd again :D [12:14] that's always good :) [12:14] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:14] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] thanks, for the help plee, trhodes (handshake) [12:16] I'm going to make an initrd that remains untouched, so when I have my hangups when testing something.. I have a that to fall back on.. It's so annoying to have to boot the cd every time :) [12:16] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:30] Well.... no luck thus far. nvidia proprietary legacy can't seem to understand kernel source for 2.6.33 and so refuses to build. The very helpful output in the error log is "Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in '/lib/modules/2.6.33-smp/source'." So, the question is, what should I be passing to the script (in a --kernel-source-path= sort of way, perhaps?) so that it can find what it needs? [13:31] What I really do not understand is how a module that builds and loads on a stock Slackware 13 install can suddenly have an "invalid module format" after upgrading everything *except* the kernel (firmware, sources, etc) and the d series. [13:32] to -current, that is. [13:32] MrHales: the drivers aren't updated to support the change in the kernel source tree that happened with 2.6.33 [13:32] What changed? [13:32] i know that there was an unofficial patch floating around(check google) for 195.x, but that isn't likely to work with the legacy drivers [13:32] MrHales: the location of some header file... [13:32] I saw that one and yeah, it don't work. [13:33] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.19.145) left ##slackware. [13:33] MrHales, which driver, 190.xx series works fine [13:33] Legacy (173.xx) [13:34] My computer is so old now I have to feed it oatmeal with Metamucil powder on top. [13:34] Keeps asking for more prunes... [13:35] MrHales, I don't know how difficult is to set nouveau driver, but with him no 3D support for now [13:35] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Yeah, that lack of 3D saddens me. I'd use it but for that. Bit of a gamer during down time [13:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:36] MrHales: What legacy driver do you need? [13:37] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:37] 173.xx [13:37] MrHales, I used some patches for 190.xx series in first time of upgrade to 2.6.33, but I don't know if it can apply to that version [13:37] The problem, though, does not just lie with changes to the kernel, however. [13:37] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [13:37] If I upgrade only x, xap, and kde to -current, all is well. [13:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:38] But if I upgrade everything save kernel and d series (so's I can build for kernel) the module suddenly has "invalid module format" and won't load. [13:38] Which is weird, since it (nor the kernel) has changed. [13:39] trhodes, got VirtualBox up and running [13:39] hey, cool [13:39] what'd it take ? [13:40] MrHales, I'm not sure is it needed, I did the blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [13:40] Did that, still fails. [13:40] I installed the virtualbox-kernel from SlackBuild [13:40] and downgraded PUEL from 3.1.6 to 3.1.4 [13:40] heh, nice, did you need to mess with the mksrc-whatever script ? [13:40] MrHales: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.25/ <-- Should work with 2.6.33 [13:41] the doc I saw on that showed one must blacklist drm, ttm and nouveau [13:41] *blinks* [13:41] When did that come out? [13:42] MrHales, I found now howto for that too, but I do only blacklist nouvea, but on my box is newer version of drivers [13:42] nah... just run the .SlackBuild [13:42] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] good news, indeed :) [13:43] January 30. [13:43] MrHales, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html same as jkwood [13:43] indeed :) thanks for the help [13:43] heh, well, I'll be. 173.14.22... [13:43] d'oh! [13:44] MrHales: Don't worry, I stay on top of these things. [13:44] gtludwig, sure thing :) [13:44] Clio (~Clio@nat-84-16-60-38.extel.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Glad somebody does! :-) Thanks, I'll hafta kill X to try this out. Be back shortly... hopefully in 3D! [13:46] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Quit: http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time. [13:48] someone have this problem, I use latest 195.36.15, Screen randomly goes black for 1s or less and all freezes for that time, in dmesg I got this NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0001 [13:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-113-16.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.220.49) joined ##slackware. [13:57] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.220.49) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.220.49) joined ##slackware. [14:02] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.74) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [14:02] http://paste.org.ru/?g1pgn2 some segfault [14:03] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.19.145) joined ##slackware. [14:03] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.40.18) joined ##slackware. [14:04] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.175.245) joined ##slackware. [14:07] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.19.145) left ##slackware. [14:07] anyone know about accessing the bios rom from linux to possibly update after extracting the bios image from a .exe? [14:08] wario: you might be better off using a dos boot disk and the exe [14:08] i tend to use the original/official program when flashing my bios [14:09] hmm, yeah. I know about that, i've already updated my bios it's more of something i'm wanting to learn to do. I know that the kernel does offer some support for accessing the bios rom and what not. [14:09] not familiar with doing so [14:09] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [14:11] zaltekk: Yeah, the thing is some oem's only offer the gui version of their bios updater and don't offer the pure dos utility anymore. :/ [14:15] wario: have you searched google [14:15] there are tons of docs on this subject [14:15] xsamurai: yes [14:16] i'll look some more. [14:17] search for writing to bios linux [14:17] that should get you more then what you need [14:17] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:19] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.19.145) joined ##slackware. [14:22] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.19.145) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:25] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:30] bitlord: i had nvrm xid problems couple days ago... I put in my /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf file: options nvidia NVreg_EnableMSI=1 [14:31] not sure that fixed it, I also let the nvidia driver generate my xorg.conf file from scratch [14:31] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) joined ##slackware. [14:32] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dmlngsgqltvplksz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:32] Warm darn. It worked. [14:32] foobarz, I don't have nvidia.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/, I need just to create it and fill with that line? [14:32] MrHales, new driver? [14:32] Now I just need a bettter quality second monitor. [14:32] Action: jkwood flexes [14:32] -t [14:33] Action: MrHales worships jkwood. "I'm not worthy!" [14:33] MrHales, great :) [14:33] bitlord: yes, just create it... and your system has to support MSI in your kernel [14:33] foobarz, I use generic slackware kernel [14:34] bitlord: try it... then to cat /proc/interrupts and see that nvidia driver uses a MSI irq [14:34] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:34] foobarz, I need to reboot, or only to kill X and unload/load nvidia module? [14:35] you can try unload/load module [14:35] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] just unload the module [14:35] then do startx [14:35] foobarz, ok, tnx. I'l try [14:35] that will load it auto [14:36] foobarz, ok, this is whole line: options nvidia NVreg_EnableMSI=1 ? [14:36] Now I have to find out why compositing is not wanting to work while running dual screens [14:36] yes, just that line [14:37] wish me luck :D [14:37] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:39] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:40] foobarz, you think this? 28: 0 68 PCI-MSI-edge nvidia [14:40] bitlord: looks like it worked [14:41] foobarz, tnx. I'l see [14:41] strankan (~strankan@c-7cce70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:44] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [14:44] well.. kids to fetch, groceries to shop, etc, etc... thanks jkwood for the heads up on that driver and all others for their patience. Bye. [14:44] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Quit: http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time. [14:44] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Client Quit [14:46] oh my goooodness [14:46] my computer crashed and when i rebooted the clock got set 1 hr late [14:48] good thing that was one hour late and not one hour early [14:48] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.125.140) joined ##slackware. [14:48] I'd like to swap KDE4 for KDE3, what are my options and is it supported? [14:50] ron1n: there is KDE 3.5.10 package set for Slackware 13.0 but it is "as-is" so no support, no further updates [14:50] http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [14:51] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:52] alienBOB, thanks, I'll take a look [14:53] amazon10x: I had the opposite problem happen - power failure now my clock is 1 hr early [14:53] I don't really care what time of day it is, so it doesn't bug me... but someday I should sort that out. [14:53] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Are they're any serious risks to running 3.5.10? Are they're any huge bugs or security issues that remain unresolved? [14:56] Who knows? [14:56] the risk you take ;) [14:56] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:56] 3.5.10 is a descendant in a line of many bugfix releases. It will be pretty stable and bugfree [14:57] madbear_ (~dude@c83-253-60-113.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:57] However no further bugfixes are expected, there is no developer working on KDE3 any longer [14:57] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:57] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:57] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-113.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:57] Perhap's there will a 3.5.11 version :-; [14:57] anyone knows any pdf creator like dopdf for windows ? [14:58] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:58] +be [14:58] iAVOR: you mean a PDF printer? [14:58] most applications have that functionality built-in now [14:59] alienBOB, I see. Thanks for your help. I think I'll give this a go. [14:59] cups-pdf will that do the trick ? [14:59] :) [14:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:59] sitwon: yea pdf printer sorry for the mistake :D [14:59] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] yea, cups-pdf is the standard solution [15:00] thanks [15:01] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:01] who wants to fork kde3 with me [15:02] amazon10x: what for? [15:02] for great justice [15:02] i pretty much just want amarok 1 back [15:02] I'm pretty sure every yahoo who has suggested forking KDE 3 has failed to get started. [15:02] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:03] jkwood: but the slackers shall rise above [15:03] I'd rather fork fluxbox... but I lack the time to do a decent job of it [15:03] i pretty much just want amarok 1 back < why not just install it back ? [15:03] amazon10x: by definition... slackers are not the type to go out of their way to do a lot of work [15:04] Tusk: will it run nicely next to kde4? [15:04] biker (~biker@201.170.195.73.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] amazon10x: i don't know just try it :) [15:05] sitwon: yeah, i wouldn't actually fork it. i fit that slacker definition quite well, always following the path of least resistance [15:05] Especially since Slackware has /extra/kde3-compat which is meant to make old KDE3 programs run in KDE4 [15:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.220.49) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:06] you're the best, alienBOB [15:06] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:07] Action: Tusk likes sbopkg [15:07] mice little project imho [15:07] nie* [15:07] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.40.78) joined ##slackware. [15:07] nice* [15:07] oh i love sbopkg [15:08] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:10] i did a chromium slackbuild but i'm way too lazy to make something clean enough to share it on slackbuilds ^^ [15:10] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:11] stupid nfs... it's got a coupla shells of mine hung [15:11] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [15:13] one nfs peeve of mine is that I can't unmount volumes that have been exported and mounted elsewhere without restarting nfs [15:13] i only found out by trial and error that i needed to restart nfs, too [15:15] trhodes: there is another way. [15:16] really ? [15:16] rpcinfo was no use :/ [15:16] trhodes: I have to dig in my notes, then. But I ran into a similar issue. [15:16] i only use rpcinfo to see what ports nfs has bound [15:17] hmm, i'm sure lots of people have had these gripes [15:18] Nick change: madbear -> buggo [15:18] gary_terry (~sibb@212.183.140.96) joined ##slackware. [15:18] what is the "proper" procedure to making my time update via ntp every X hours [15:18] is there a tool like top for watching commands of users for a admin ? [15:18] jleeperry (~jeeperry@host-72-174-92-176.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] amazon10x: use ntpd [15:19] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:19] Hurro. I'm currently on 'buntu. Would there be any advantages to switching over to Slackware? [15:19] jleeperry: are there specific advantages that you're looking for? [15:20] dfrank (~dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Hmm, I'm not quite sure. I'm just curious at this stage. [15:20] hello All. Tell me please, how can i set encoding in grep? [15:21] Maybe running itunes 9 in virtualbox, so that I can kick windows. [15:21] why not use a native music player for linux [15:21] rhythmbox, amarok, etc [15:22] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:22] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: seminar [15:22] Because I have an itouch that's running the latest firmware. [15:22] So I can transer music, and do limited photo sharing, but that's it. [15:23] jleeperry:: if you're used to ubuntu you will probably not like slackware, as much as i hate to say it, but if you're switching its probably for good reason and i'd try slack before all the others. you'll find problems with the package managers but you'll find manual configuration is a more reliable, stable environment [15:23] Problems with the package managers? [15:23] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:24] And I am used to 'buntu.. [15:24] buggo (~dude@c83-253-60-113.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:25] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-113.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:25] jleeperry: slackware will probably not enable you to do anything that can't be done on ubuntu (someone please correct me if i'm speaking inaccurately here) [15:26] if you want to get a quick feel for it, why not install it onto a spare computer somewhere? [15:26] or virtualbox [15:27] gary_terry, watch + ps will suffice for a top-like view of user processes [15:27] at the end the kernel is the same... [15:27] sort of [15:27] *buntu doesn't do a stinkin config.gz [15:27] and other nuisances [15:27] trhodes: how do t hey handle that? [15:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] i suppose they expect you to loot in /boot for config data [15:28] yeah trhodes .....i had few file with info in them and it's gone think i was exploited ...wondered how i could watch out ..whether it was local or remotely [15:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:28] you may no be able to trust anything on your machine if you really were 'sploited [15:28] *not [15:29] would using tripwire be helpfull ? [15:29] not now [15:29] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:29] strankan (~strankan@c-7cce70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [15:29] Well, I went and d/l'ed the dvd so, I'll probably install it on a spare partition. By the way, how much RAM/ HD space should I use? [15:29] if i installed on a usb stick on a fresh install ? [15:29] like separate media [15:30] then, maybe -- IDS's aren't exactly easy to use [15:30] gary_terry: check your logs for internet-facing services [15:30] that too, and plus, it's far-fetched, usually these things happen for simpler reasons [15:30] amazon10x, im thinking it's from pidgin the exploit [15:30] tripwire or md5deep are cool tools [15:30] d00m (~suporte@189-93-246-237.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:30] there was no privilege escalation there [15:30] just a DoS [15:30] the pidgin exploit? [15:31] maybe we're thinking of different problems [15:31] i think so antiwire but im not 100% [15:31] i have a libpurple DoS program, there was something more serious ? [15:31] gary_terry: http://slackware.com/lists/archive/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2010&m=slackware-security.458630 this one? [15:32] amazon10x, im using latest pidgin [15:32] just modified a slackbuild script [15:33] gary_terry: what we're getting at is that the vulnerability i just linked could not have compromised your machine [15:33] ha, those DoS issues aren't the IRC one that I heard of [15:33] it was a DoS vulnerability, which just means that an attacker could make your pidgin crash [15:34] indeed, they're nuisances afaik, but not very threatening [15:34] yeah amazon10x ...mine doesnt crach just emotes get weird [15:35] and after the files missing content got me thinking [15:36] gary_terry: do you have any services running like ssh that are accessible from the internet? [15:36] i think that would be a better place to look for possible intrusions [15:36] no turn all services off when i straight after install ...sometime run my own dns but thats normally it [15:37] jleeperry (jeeperry@host-72-174-92-176.grf-mt.client.bresnan.net) left ##slackware. [15:38] just wondered any tool to keep an eye on this or someway securing my system more ...maybe im just got paranoid for no reason [15:38] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:38] amazon10x, intrustion ...snort ? [15:39] intrustion* [15:40] aide and samhain come to mind [15:40] but honestly, it's probably something simpler [15:40] yeah not heard of aide or samhain [15:41] http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html http://la-samhna.de/samhain/index.html [15:41] thanks ill try them [15:41] IDEs are rarely easy to use [15:41] you can also just turn on process accounting [15:42] so if some gain root acces is there anyway to tell [15:42] through an exploit [15:42] like a client [15:42] and remote logs and actually reading them helps a lot, too [15:42] chkrootkit (sort of) can tell [15:42] would who show that up ? [15:42] 'who' [15:42] command [15:42] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] only in a login shell, and if you have root, then you can get yourself out of utmp anyway [15:44] may i ask, what files were corrupted / missing ? [15:44] that says a whole lot about what could have caused it [15:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [15:45] it was usb stick i store info on ..i sometimes leave it plugged in (mounted) [15:45] just got me thinking [15:45] well, was it taken out while mounted ? [15:46] im not sure [15:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:46] something might have not been synced [15:46] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:46] files are there just content missing [15:47] it's only been mounted under /media or /home ? [15:47] or even /mnt ? [15:47] /mnt [15:50] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.125.140) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] dfrank (~dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:54] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nknamhueuiuwvhev) left irc: Quit: vorto de casa [15:54] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-92-93.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:58] has tripwire not maintain anymore aide says it's a replacment [15:58] is* [15:59] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B52BC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] mps31 (~mps@82.132.136.180) joined ##slackware. [16:01] tripwire went commercial at some point, the gpl'd version is not maintained. [16:03] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2FE2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:06] so aide is recommended ? [16:06] instead of [16:06] kernel-panic (~kernel-pa@80.10.46.42) left irc: Quit: used WLIrc [16:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-113-16.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:14] mps31 (~mps@82.132.136.180) left irc: Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info [16:15] rip ff 3.0.x [16:15] good riddance [16:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:19] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. [16:21] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Client Quit [16:21] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. 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[16:51] Action: Camarade_Tux heard openssl has been updated [16:51] had* [16:52] Well it is up to 1.0.0 but that is not yet in Slackware [16:53] nessundo1ma (~mike@78.134.101.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:56] anyone know how to save the output from top? Like write all the output from top to a file (have top sampling every 5 seconds thus -s 5 and actually have the file look okay if opened with a text editor)? [16:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:57] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:57] Action: jeev cops a feel at Camarade_Tux's breastses [16:58] i have a drive which i "repaired" the sector [16:58] but it's not worth risking data on it, eh ? [16:58] smart has passed extended once again now, earlier it didn't before i repaired.. ran multiple tests with hitachi dft.. [16:58] just not worth it [16:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:00] b0o-yeah: use top > filename and then convert ^[ into spaces , you can run a cron job to handle then intervals [17:01] *the [17:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-30-143.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:02] xsamurai: okay why '>' rather then '>>', also do I need a cron job if I do top -s 5? as long as after words I convert all the ^[ to spaces? [17:03] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-30-143.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:03] b0o-yeah: search google for difference between > and >> [17:03] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:03] b0o-yeah: write a script to handle all the steps [17:03] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-30-143.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] okay thanks [17:05] ah it seems that >> erases the file first [17:05] No [17:06] its the exact opposite [17:06] appends [17:06] oh hmm [17:07] search for linux IO redirection [17:08] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:08] okay that search was a bit better [17:08] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-180.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] alienBOB: I meant, the openssl package in at least -current: a/openssl-solibs-0.9.8n-x86_64-1.txz [17:10] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-168-65.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: bus, maybe? [17:10] who the fuck highlighted me [17:10] :P [17:11] and, 'top -b' [17:11] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B52BC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:11] madbear: someone more than a week ago? [17:12] Camarade_Tux: openssl-0.9.8n-x86_64-1.txz will be there soon [17:12] yay! updates in current :D [17:12] incl. openssl [17:12] won't that go across the board? it's a security release, after all. [17:12] sahk0: probably hasn't hit your mirror yet ;-) [17:12] not 1.0.0 though [17:13] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [17:13] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [17:13] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [17:13] sahk0: =) [17:13] sahk0: afaict, it appeared on slackware.com less than 90 minutes ago ;-) [17:14] leave an open ftp session per Pat's instructions [17:14] lol j/k ofc [17:14] what would happen if something changed at the mirror as you were rsync'ing it ? [17:15] trhodes: incomplete sync but you should notice if you dont do it unattended [17:15] could you get a different copy from the mirror in such an instace ? [17:15] ok [17:15] the earth would reverse its direction of rotation [17:15] oh wow [17:15] i need to try that [17:15] that's what actually happened in the movie Superman [17:16] some say that we'd have a reversal in magnetic polarity too, i.e. compasses point South. but i think that's just FUD [17:16] so please be careful when you rsync, m'kay? [17:16] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [17:16] okay (in unison) [17:18] b0o-yeah: use -b option as Camarade_Tux pointed out and -d for intervals [17:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:19] anybody have experience moving from AMI image to xen ? [17:20] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] i don't think you need to do anything clever like append with the top [17:20] omg april fools joke started to be published. [17:20] can't you just do: top -b -d 2 -n 3 > topshit.txt [17:20] s/be/get [17:21] groo (~groo@187.47.238.215) joined ##slackware. [17:21] for 3 top's back-to-back at 2 second interval [17:21] ? [17:21] groo (~groo@187.47.238.215) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] he just wanted the file updated at n interval , was wondering about the difference between > >> [17:23] he wanted some running file that would get appended via a cron or summit? [17:23] http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2010/04/google_buys_microsoft.html [17:24] the rfc index hasn't been updated yet [17:25] MarkB2 (~mbecker@ip66-105-94-242.z94-105-66.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] are they over the damn date-line? ! [17:25] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:25] yeah, nz [17:26] haha, gooft [17:26] trhodes: Good afternoon. [17:26] heya, is X workin' ? [17:27] I swear, if the X.org people needed Real Jobs... [17:27] I'd send 'em all back to Fortran school. [17:27] haha, you've had a heckuva time [17:27] Oh, it gets BETTER.. [17:28] You see, I installed Slack 13 on my WORK computer.. [17:28] There, I have a Real Machine. [17:28] TWO seperate video cards. [17:29] MarkB2: I had 2 cards in a machine, both ati. 4 22" monitors attached. Sweeet :P [17:29] At the time, KDE4 had some .. err.. issues with that setup :P [17:29] Wildly enough, X -configure actually came up with a configuration that didn't blind me ten seconds after start up while staring at the catastrophe. [17:29] Except.. [17:29] I can't move the mouse any farther to the right than about half way. [17:30] oh ok, that's likely an easy fix [17:30] If I want to get the OTHER half of the display, I have to move the mouse LEFT .. you see, it WRAPS around and comes out the right-hand side of the display. [17:30] ha, weird [17:30] quite weird. I was going to suggest a virtual line, but that might not be the issue. [17:30] So I LEFT click on the background to bring up the exit menu.. and moving the mouse to that actually moves the logical mouse OFF the menu.. [17:30] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:31] Tumbled to that one after a minute of disbelief.. [17:31] how to activate the second display on the work computer? [17:31] Bal00 (~matt@124.19.87.26) joined ##slackware. [17:31] MarkB2: xrandr [17:32] OK. I'm running under X/fwvm right now.. [17:32] The second display indicates there is no signal going to it.. that it's off. [17:32] man xrandr [17:33] Can I tell if X can "see" the second video interface? [17:33] Bal00 (matt@124.19.87.26) left ##slackware. [17:33] 'xrandr --auto' is a good first try [17:33] q [17:33] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:33] 'xrandr' (no argument) [17:33] Nothing happens. [17:34] should display the current config [17:34] and going to bed, good night [17:34] Hey, you know how ALT TAB cycles through open windows on an XP system? [17:34] yep :) [17:34] one redeeming feature of windows [17:34] It almost works under Slack 13. Here, it flips from one .. to the other.. back to the first.. then gets stuck. [17:35] Action: MarkB2 redeems feature for nickel.. gets nickel. [17:35] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-142-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [17:35] in fwvm? some task switchers behave strangely, in KDE and xfce it works fine (at least for me) [17:36] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.121.148) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:36] nite, Camarade_Tux [17:36] Typing xrandr at the prompt produces a list of screen densities, refresh rates... but all on Screen 0. [17:36] then try xrandr --auto [17:36] careful tho [17:37] Already did. Nothing happened. Screen 1 didn't wake up. [17:37] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:38] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:38] One moment... think I changed something. brb. [17:38] MarkB2 (~mbecker@ip66-105-94-242.z94-105-66.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [17:38] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [17:39] goarilla (~goarilla@247.246-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [17:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:43] MarkB2 (~mbecker@ip66-105-94-242.z94-105-66.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Well, it found ONE display well enough to use it. But the other still dead as a doornail. [17:44] xrandr -q doesn't show it ? [17:44] No. It looks like X found the interface, didn't like what it saw, and unloaded it. [17:44] afaik, it would show as disconnected [17:45] That interface is even older than the 910 at home.. this one is an 810. [17:45] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Mach64 something. X saw that, started doing odd things. [17:45] Like: "1024x768"x0.0 [17:47] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:48] I wonder if Konqueror will work.. [17:51] d00m (~suporte@189-93-246-237.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC5-0.3.2 -- Are we there yet? [17:51] Nope. [17:52] Seamonkey? [17:53] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:53] what's wrong there ? [17:53] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.40.78) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:53] It starts.. then disappears. [17:54] Not in the task list. [17:54] but pgrep does show it ? [17:54] ie, it's running connected somewhere ? [17:54] Let me look. [17:55] Well, ps ax didn't show it. [17:55] Oh. Let me guess: Does Slack 13 permit processes to hide themselves from a ps(1) ? [17:55] no [17:55] not really [17:55] That's a relief. [17:56] Not...really..? [17:56] DISPLAY is set ? [17:56] i would think it would have to be [17:56] I'm in X now.. it had better be.. or xterm is using random numbers. [17:56] weird [17:56] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:57] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Now, here's a good one: "Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. [17:58] Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: "the remote application did not send a reply. [17:58] So Slack 13 is boobytrapped? [17:58] Nice. [17:59] I wonder what else is being installed while I type here. [17:59] Lights on the ether switch are flashing like crazy. [18:01] that was the error you got for konq ? [18:01] That's one of them. [18:02] OH... Look at what's in the PS list... [18:02] look in ~/.xsessions-errors for more details [18:02] What does /usr/libexec/gam_server ..do? [18:03] kde stuff [18:03] No manpage. [18:03] indeed, <3 kde for that [18:03] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [18:03] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Just think.. how about if no program or routine got into Slack without having a manpage? [18:04] Would only need 1 CDROM for the distribution! [18:04] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:04] haha, i'd miss coreutils (even they have stubs though) [18:05] I'll stop. I should not bash Slack 13, not until I get everything running. And while I'm sure there are manpages for all this stuff (or source files with thousands of comments) [18:05] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [18:05] .. I just wish they were all in a single convenient place. [18:05] Like in /usr/man ... [18:06] yeah, documentation all over the place sucks [18:06] Well, at least Slack is setting the ...standard... [18:06] kde's docs are all under /usr/share [18:07] err, /usr/doc [18:07] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [18:07] they have html versions of their docbook stuff [18:07] but anyway, kde problems are not your main problem right now :) [18:07] that's true. [18:07] My second display isn't getting a signal. [18:08] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [18:08] So X didn't see the card. Come to think of it.. let me check the messages log. It might be the kernel didn't see it either. [18:08] are you trying to blend onboard & pci [18:08] ? [18:08] hugohagogo (cleber@187.64.40.18) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:08] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:08] No, that's at the house. My work computer has two PCI video interfaces. [18:09] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:09] same make? [18:09] at least one is an intel 810 [18:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:09] from what I gathered [18:09] I did ask the IT dept for that.. but the guy said, "You'll take what I got in my desk drawer and LIKE it. Hey, it works with Windows 98SE. [18:09] I didn't think intel even made PCI cards? [18:10] They used to make video IC's. [18:10] Most of the cards that use Intel ICs do so from "reference designs". [18:10] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279639532.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:10] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279639532.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:10] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Read: It sort of worked in the lab... [18:11] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-142-248.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [18:12] lspci is good. [18:12] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:12] Intel 810E and an ATI 3D Rage II+ (mach64). [18:13] ...oh. [18:13] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.160.71) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:14] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:14] It found the 810E in /var/log/messages. Listed as "agpgart-intel". [18:14] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] I thought the kernel would turn it on at least. [18:15] iAVOR (~iAVOR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Is there a low-limit on how much memory must be in a video card before the kernel will talk to it? [18:17] if you're asking that Q you need a new video card [18:17] [18:18] I did see a PCI video card at the local store. But the box, on the back, says in BIG LETTERS that the +12V line from the power supply had better be good for 20A. [18:18] forgetting behind the scenes composting and multiple panels, how much memory do you need for one 1024x768 display? [18:18] Black and white? [18:19] not much [18:19] 1024 * 768 /8 [18:19] isn't it 1024x768x ? [18:19] (minimum) [18:19] 12V * 20A is 240 watts.. [18:19] Well 1024 x 768 x / 8 in byte. [18:19] ... bytes [18:20] ok yeah [18:20] But that doesn't include all the color lookup stuff. [18:20] Or page flipping. [18:21] gary_terry (~sibb@212.183.140.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] Razec (1000@187-27-202-116.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:21] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.175.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:21] 240 watts for a stinkin video card? is that possible ? [18:22] that's more than cpu's draw [18:22] Interesting error message: "[drm] Initialized i810 1.4.0 20030605 on minor 0" [18:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Some cards draw a LOT more. Think of a video card with 1GB RAM on it. [18:23] "mtrr: base(0xf8000000) is not aligned on a size(0x258000) boundary. [18:23] anyways, my point is that the screen image needs little, so even a paupers video card can give you a display. if you want mutiple screen, and behind the scenes magic like z-buffers and such you'll need more juice. [18:24] What is an "mtrr" ? [18:24] memory type range register, yo [18:24] memory type range register sez google [18:24] ahh, beat me to it [18:25] Well, this driver wants one, can't find one, and so mumbles on how I should rework the driver. [18:25] it is used to block transfer write operations to memory ranges [18:25] you need a certian processor or higher for this kind of memory management sugar and spice [18:26] What's the lowest-common-denominator machine that Slack 13 will install on? I thought a P2 or P3? [18:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.17.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:26] hd (jd@bas1-montreal33-1279639532.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:26] hd (jd@bas1-montreal33-1279639532.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:26] hd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:26] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:27] darkl0rd (~82da0a01@gateway/web/freenode/x-dkrsszdpvuhlqpqs) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Hi, am darkl0rd, and I use slackware [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.127.142) joined ##slackware. [18:28] darkl0rd: My condolences. [18:28] Now about 6:30 PM.. I'm headed home to deal with the OTHER hardware. [18:28] Cheers to all. [18:28] MarkB2 (~mbecker@ip66-105-94-242.z94-105-66.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [18:28] Makesure you pair the BT :-) [18:29] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:34] darkl0rd (~82da0a01@gateway/web/freenode/x-dkrsszdpvuhlqpqs) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:34] I have Slack 13 running on a K6-2 [18:34] oh he elft [18:34] left even [18:34] i run some old crap here [18:35] not quite 486, but almost [18:35] None Of this stuff is really crap, just no longer SOTA. I have a 486 with slack on it heh [18:36] hd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [18:36] i actually run one old piece of junk because it's likely to be stolen [18:36] LOL [18:36] so it needs to be as crappy as possible [18:36] I even have my old 8088 still in service :) [18:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:37] dang, that's... old :) [18:37] i saw somewhere on the web, a commodore 64 serving pages [18:38] Could be worse... could be an amd 64... [18:38] wouldn't be surprised. I have a friend that uses one as the core of his home built home security system [18:38] haha dang [18:38] http://58.6.118.18/ if you're patient :) [18:38] they are quite capable little machines, still sueable for many simple taskds [18:39] I live with a woman in a 1 bedroom apartment... visible computers must be kept to a minimum :P [18:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] can't setablish a connection to that IP [18:41] Tirili (~opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:41] timed out for me, too [18:44] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.160.71) joined ##slackware. [18:45] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Why has nobody ever posted this to me before?! http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html [18:49] esr might have had that in mind when he wrote about asking smart questions [18:50] Indeed. ESR has written a number of great things. [18:52] Case in point: http://lwn.net/2000/0824/a/esr-sharing.php3 [18:52] That one is super long, but it's ESR somewhat scolding Linus about not using VCS (this was long before git was written, of course) [18:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:54] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:56] exlt (~awake@12.am) joined ##slackware. [18:56] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:59] dcash (~dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) joined ##slackware. [19:00] http://www.schneierfacts.com/ infinitely greater than chuck norris crap [19:01] FACT: Bruce Schneier can losslessly compress random data by 50%, with his fists. [19:02] FACT: Geologists recently discovered that "earthquakes" are nothing more than Bruce Schneier and Chuck Norris communicating via a roundhouse kick-based cryptosystem. [19:03] Thurin1 (~amunra@modemcable213.189-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:05] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [19:07] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:13] i lost respect for chuck norris after i read a summary and title of his book [19:13] then again, i shouldn't have had any respect for him cause he had/had a mullet [19:14] AbsTradELic (100@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [19:14] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [19:15] dcash (dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:15] Tirili (opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [19:15] so does your sister, but you still love her [19:15] yea right [19:15] i'd kick her ass [19:15] IF I HAD ONE [19:16] If you had a mullet or an ass? [19:16] hmm ? ass ? [19:18] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:18] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [19:18] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:18] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:21] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [19:22] or a good kick [19:24] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:28] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Ping timeout: 624 seconds [19:28] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:29] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [19:30] exlt (awake@12.am) left ##slackware. 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[19:57] alienBOB: ping [19:58] alienBOB: we have many problems with video devices from kernel video modules in current [19:58] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:59] X:\ [19:59] perhaps if you addressed the channel, instead of 1 person, you'd have better luck :) [20:01] kernel 2.6.33 not so good with many video devices !! [20:01] urgh !! [20:02] Perhaps you should give an example of what you're talking about. [20:02] Rather than an "urgh !!" which is not very descriptive. [20:02] he already did - "didn't work!!11" [20:02] yes [20:03] didn't work [20:03] thanks [20:03] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:03] Action: adamk wonders if some people even want help in the first place. [20:06] Action: danc3 is sure they don't [20:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:16] quarrk (~quarrk@brln-4d0c555b.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:19] Anyone knows if the new 2.6.33.1 kernel solves the problem with the nouveau driver? Or does it still need to be blacklisted? I will only have time to upgrade my kernel in the weekend... [20:20] As long as nouveau is compiled, it will have to be blacklisted if you want to use nvidia. [20:21] adamk: hm... but I was under the impression that it caused problems even w/o having the nvidia blob, because it gave a black screen at boot time, long before loading X [20:22] I'm not aware of any such problem. As long as fbcon is available (compiled in or as a module) it should work. [20:22] This is the first I've heard of anything. [20:22] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:23] adamk: there were many cases of black screens after the March 1st update... I had this problem but found the blacklisting-solution on the slackware forum [20:25] If you say so. Again, this is the first I've heard of it. [20:25] adamk: ok... I'll check this weekend if the problem is solved in the new kernel... [20:25] Yeah, please let us know, too. [20:26] niels, what was the first version where this happened? [20:27] Isn't 2.6.33 the first one with nouveau? [20:27] pimphamster (home@165.pool85-50-156.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware. [20:27] mancha: yes, 2.6.33 (from -current March 1st) [20:30] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:41] slink (copy@node-43.blackcore.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:01] i have some pretty sexy laptops and my brtoher wants me to buy him a macbook pro for some music stuff [21:01] i'm DYING here trying not to buy it [21:01] very quick actually, haven't got my wifi to work yet [21:01] dying enough to want to hand him my intel x25-m or even get a new one for him [21:01] any suggestions where to start? im reading a howto [21:02] you need the iATKOS v7 image, then see osx86project.org [21:02] iATKOS v7 [21:02] sounds like an ICBM [21:03] http://osx86sv.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/how-install-osx-10-6-2-on-an-pc-asus-p5-series-motherboard/ [21:03] should i cancel tha ? [21:03] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) joined ##slackware. [21:03] http://www.google.com/search?q=iatkos+v7+torrent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [21:03] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] sexy [21:04] 10.5.7 ? is that what i'll be using ? [21:04] or can i update to 10.6.2 [21:04] i have a 10.6 cd. [21:04] OH [21:04] that is everything already [21:04] :-) [21:05] am using 10.5.7 [21:06] hmm [21:07] i need to fix my torrentflux system here [21:07] darkl0rd, can i install it to an external usb to test with ? [21:08] I don't think so, but backup your data [21:09] ok [21:10] Am going home to mount my other hardware [21:10] bye guys :-) [21:11] thanks, bye [21:11] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [21:11] darkl0rd (~489e2ec8@gateway/web/freenode/x-pvdohvngqrflicud) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:11] leopard (~leopard@222.124.207.250) joined ##slackware. [21:17] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:19] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:08] not everyone likes to be cutting edge... [22:08] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:09] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:09] i did get the security updates today [22:09] I'm still fighting with it, since current updated to 2.6.33 my testing installation has not yet completely booted [22:09] this si why i don't care to be cutting edge [22:09] I use stable as my primary on the laptop and my family uses stable, but I prefer current for testing [22:10] I never had a problem with it until 2.6.33 was added [22:10] how doesn't it boot ? [22:10] thrice`, it freezes after detecting my onboard audio [22:11] thrice`, I have tried huge and generic kernels including booting for usbboot [22:11] s/for/from/ [22:11] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] snd_hda_intel ? [22:12] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:12] yes, the last line I get is [22:12] HDA Intel 0000:00:0e.1: PCI INT B -> Link[AAZA] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -< IRQ 22 [22:13] there's lots of options to try with it at load time that might make it work [22:14] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-141-109.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] trhodes, please share [22:14] i wonder what that means... looks like gibberish to me [22:14] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [22:14] ok, lemme find a link [22:14] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:14] Action: Motoko-chan hates the megaraid/megaraid_mbox confusion [22:14] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [22:14] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:15] I've done an upgrade on a system 12.2 - 13.0 and tried to use the script to fix config files and am getting error: ./fix-config.sh: line 14: syntax error: unexpected end of file [22:15] What do I need at end of file? [22:15] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] mfillpot: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/docs/HD-Audio.html is one of the better articles i've found on hda intel issues [22:16] also this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto is some help [22:16] trhodes, ty, I am looking at it now [22:17] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-141-109.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:17] fix-config = http://pastebin.com/8irTZg1X [22:17] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:18] mfillpot: my last favorite hda_intel link, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA may not be too relevant here, but is interesting anyways [22:18] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] HDA is a pain. [22:18] trhodes, so would I just append the recommended syntax to the bootloader entry? [22:19] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:19] no, i think it's a modprobe.d./*.conf entry [22:19] you can't boot because of this ? [22:21] trhodes, well, that is the last message I get so I am assuming that is the problem [22:21] You could blacklist the module temporarily. [22:21] NO, just can't use the script. [22:23] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [22:23] greetings and salutations [22:23] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [22:23] Motoko-chan, I am trying it now [22:24] Action: Motoko-chan did a 12.2 to 13.0 running-upgrade the other week [22:25] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-203.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] trhodes, Motoko-chan - blacklisting snd_hda_intel did allow me to boot [22:26] Good. Now, if you don't need sound, you're set. [22:26] this at least allows me to get into the system to test solutions [22:26] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] yep, that kernel.org page might give some leads [22:27] um, dumb question, but: how did you blacklist the module ? [22:28] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-199-224-122-141-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] xoring (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] so I just upgraded to Slackware-current... and now my DPI has changed to 96 [22:29] trhodes, echo "blacklist snd_hda_intel">>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [22:29] or whatever the file name is [22:29] I think it's supposed to be 114 (or something else that's higher than 96) [22:29] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:29] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:29] how do I fix the DPI? [22:29] yeah, it's arbitrary (but now should end in .conf from what I hear) [22:30] i wondered if modules could be blacklisted at boot, that's all :P [22:30] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] trhodes, so to try the parameters on the pages you gave me do I just call them when I load the module via modprobe [22:31] Razec (1000@187-27-202-116.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:32] yeah, man modprobe for the syntax [22:33] trhodes, that is definately it when I called "modprobe snd_hda_intel position_fix=2" my system froze [22:34] hda intels are such a pain [22:34] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-184-203.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] heya,folks [22:34] I never had a problem with it until 2.6.33 [22:34] Can anyone see what is wrong with this script: http://pastebin.com/8irTZg1X ? [22:35] i've never had an issue, with or without 2.6.33 [22:35] vfw, was it your script or something your script called that gave you the unexpected EOF ? [22:36] trhodes: I don't know. [22:37] vfw, one thing that helps find errors is to "set -x" in your script to find out more (usually the first line) [22:37] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:37] whats some good software that can mass edit and organize mp3s? [22:38] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:38] Cann0n: you probably have amarok if you installed kde [22:38] Cann0n: I use EasyTAG [22:38] trhodes: Well I just deleted the blank line at top. Now am getting error: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory/bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [22:39] zaltekk: don't assume everyone does fullinstall. i don't care for amarok [22:39] hmm, too bad easytag's development seems to have halted [22:39] vfw: dos2unix [22:39] good catch, ananke :) [22:40] xoring: thanks. i'm gonna look into it. can it change the directories and organize them? [22:40] Cann0n: i didn't assume. i said you probably have it if you installed kde. [22:40] vfw: try `sed -i 's/\^M//g your-script` [22:40] -su: dos2unix: command not found [22:40] quarrk (~quarrk@brln-4d0c555b.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:40] zaltekk: kde sucks imo. [22:41] vfw: s/-su/su/ [22:41] ananke: slackware doesnt provide dos2unix officially [22:41] Cann0n: i think it looks a bit nicer than gnome. but i don't have any real problems with either. [22:41] zaltekk: i don't like either. :P [22:42] Evilazz (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Cann0n: yes, it can [22:42] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] sed: -e expression #1, char 10: unknown option to `s' [22:44] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:44] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431890.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:44] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] flity: it used to [22:45] actually, nevermind. i don't think it was dos2unix [22:45] Cann0n, nice feature of easytag is it will tell of errors(permission,i/o etc) [22:45] vfw: oh sorry, missing the `'` after g [22:45] 'fromdos' is something slackware ships with [22:46] zaltekk: kde sucks imo.anization. no one these days seems to know how to edit tags the right way [22:46] wtf [22:46] i'm about read to just unplug my touchpad... [22:47] scrolled up? [22:48] yeah. palms touched the scroll area [22:49] xoring (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:50] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:50] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:52] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] flity: Well I re-wrote it by hand and now am getting: fix-config.sh: line 4: [: too many arguments [23:00] This is what I have now: http://pastebin.com/RrQBATMT [23:00] soccerfan151 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:05] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:06] http://pastebin.com/3AMRwSdq (it's fixed) (Thanks) [23:07] ...just had couple typos. [23:07] Thanks agn. [23:07] Going to reboot and see if anything still works. Will let you know. [23:07] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:07] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:08] vfw: good luck :-) [23:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:11] wow, -current got a bunch of updates [23:12] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:14] uh [23:14] when did that happen? [23:15] slink (copy@node-43.blackcore.net) left irc: [23:15] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [23:15] antiwire: today :: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [23:16] osuosl is teh lag! [23:16] apparently, as that is where I went first :| [23:16] haha [23:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:19] pragma_ (~pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest31832 [23:19] Guest31832 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [23:19] Guest31832 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Nick change: Guest31832 -> pragma_ [23:27] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:28] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] anyone is running kde-4.4.2? [23:36] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [23:42] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:43] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [23:43] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [23:45] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:48] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [23:49] It worked. Thanks agn. [23:49] I have another question though... [23:50] yourpadre (~destroy@189.192.3.220) joined ##slackware. [23:51] About the KDEI language packs for KDE, I suppose I do not need them, so how can I get rid of them? [23:52] Anyone still here? Hello? [23:52] vfw: patience [23:53] removepkg kde-l10n* probably will do it [23:54] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [23:55] vfw: slackpkg remove kdei [23:56] i got a problem when I try to compile nvidia driver. it said Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in '/usr/src/linux-2.6.33.1/' [23:56] is it kdei or kde-l10n ? [23:56] kde-l10n* are packages names [23:57] kdei is the package series [23:57] both commands should work [23:57] i made a fresh install of -current [23:57] yourpadre: make sure your nvidia driver is the newest available [23:57] yourpadre: did you get the latest beta? [23:58] yourpadre: you either need a newer nvidia driver, or the patch from the nvnews forum [23:58] is the newest available [23:58] 190.533 [23:58] 190.53 [23:59] yourpadre: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.15/ [23:59] yourpadre: NaCL just linked you to the newest available driver that isn't still in beta [23:59] and I tried to install using sbopkg, how wario told me [00:00] --- Thu Apr 1 2010