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Glock 22 Gen 3 – Range Visit

This range visit consisted of shooting three handguns – the Grand Power P11, the Glock 22 Gen 3, and the Canik TP9SA.

Why this combination?

The Glock 22 is a full sized service pistol that is striker-fired and is polymer.  The only other handgun that I have that is similar (in size, in MoA, and in material make-up) is the Canik TP9SA.  The only other guns that I have that are of similar size are fully metal (the Sig Sauer P220 Equinox and the Metro Arms American Classic Commander, both shooting .45 ACP).  I felt that it was unfair to compare those two handguns to the Glock 22 since their mass would negate some recoil.

The Glock 22 is snappy in Gen 3 configuration.  In fact, I had a difficult time with it, which is odd, because I’ve fired .40 in the past without issue, but those guns were all-metal too, so there is that.

The recoil was bad for me.  I didn’t have any malfunctions (no limp-wristing here) but my aim was wayyyy off (probably has nothing to do with recoil and everything to do with not being used to the trigger on this particular gun.   I fired 50 rounds of Federal 165-grain FMJ, so the ammo wasn’t even hot.  I need to work on my aim because I don’t think the recoil was messing with it.  If I squeeze properly, the round will be out of the gun before recoil can affect the bullet’s path, so again, I need to focus on trigger pull with this gun.  The trigger is not stock.  It has a 5.5-lb trigger, from Glock, I believe, that was put in as part of a police package (it is a LEO trade-in).  I think that’s what has me confused.  My other Glock’s trigger is nothing like the one on this gun.

Also, the recoil is making the trigger rub harshly against my trigger finger as it pushes the gun up, so I have a sore spot on the underside of my trigger finger that might blister.  I tried altering the way I shoot so that it would quit rubbing and I could not.

I grabbed some Talon grips for the Glock 22 on the way out of the range facility.  They are now installed.  I’m not sure if I like the grips, as they are extremely aggressive in texture and my hands are a bit raw just from installing them.  I’ve no doubt they’ll help me in dealing with the recoil, but I may have to see if I can make them a bit less abrasive.  I’m glad I’ve no plans to carry this gun…these grips will rub holes in my clothing.

Talon Grips for the Glock 22 Gen 3

Also, when I take apart or put together the gun, I’ve noticed the recoil spring seems a bit weak…I can install it or remove it with very little effort…it almost falls out and is very easy to get into place.  I’m not sure it’s supposed to be this loose.  I’m probably going to order a new one.

I’ve read that the Gen 4 Glock 22’s double-springed recoil spring guide works great in lessening recoil for that generation of G22.  It’s a pity that they can’t be used with Gen 3s.

I’ve also found that .40 isn’t all that much more expensive than .45ACP or 9mm.  I bought 100 rounds of .40 S&W for $18 a box (two boxes).

The sights are difficult to see at the range.  They don’t show as dots.  I’m wondering if that was my issue, but I don’t think it was, since I was trying to use the front sight’s shadow to align it properly between the rear sight’s “forks”.  I should’ve been hitting closer to the red.  I did catch myself not using both eyes a few times, too…that may have been the issue.

I know I bought this gun so that I can use it with the 22TCM 9R conversion kit, but even with the recoil issues, it is fun to try something different.  It’s OK to mix things up, even if I couldn’t hit the damned bulls-eye at 7 yards with 50 rounds.  🙂  :/

A picture of the first few rounds out of the gun (well, MY first few rounds):

7 yards, Glock 22 Gen 3 – 15 rounds of Federal 165-grain FMJ.  Big bang with big recoil
7 yards, Canik TP9SA – 17 rounds of  Remington 115-grain FMJ. Yes, I’m having trigger issues.  I haven’t fired this gun in over a year.  Still, I nailed the red several times — couldn’t do that with the G22.

I had no issues with the Canik TP9SA.  I fired 50 rounds of Remington 115-grain FMJ without issue, other than I was shooting left of the target even though most of those would probably be considered kill shots (see above).

How does it shoot compared to the G22?  There’s almost no recoil, for one, but I knew that before I compared them.  As exceptional as the G22’s 5.5lb trigger is, the Canik’s is still better, by a large margin.  It’s that good.

I also fired 50 rounds of Remington 115-grain FMJ from the Grand Power P11 too.  These were hang-up free rounds…no FTF or FTEs.  No fails to return to battery.  Here’s the target:

7 yards, Grand Power P11 – some rapid fire, Remington 115-grain, 35 rounds…LOTS of shots in the red.

I continue to get better with this handgun (see above picture).  I even tried 5 shots strong hand only (one-handed, right-handed).  This is the first time I’ve done this.  The first shot was WAY left.  The other 4 shots hit the head.  It was easy to do with this gun.  There was next to no recoil.  The last 15 shots went all over the place…I might have been fatigued by then.

That makes 866 rounds out of the Grand Power.  We’re getting closer and closer to the 1000 mark.

The next range visit will include the Glock 22.  We’ll see if we can tame the recoil.

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Gen 3 Glock 22 Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore Trijicon

Glock 22 Gen 3 Has Arrived!

So, I picked up the gun today.  It was listed as fair condition on the website.  I think they under-rated it.  There’s hardly any slide wear, there’s NO wear/tear on the grips (I think it had Talon grips on it because the grips are a tad bit sticky, but that would explain the lack of wear/tear).  There’s a sticker on the box that says “TNS”, meaning the sights are Trijicon night sights; they still have some glow to them.  The sticker also has “5.5lb” which means it has a 5.5lb trigger.  Not only that, that trigger is very nice…there’s little take up, and the trigger is crisp…it also has very little reset.  PD trigger.  The gun was listed as only having one mag, but it came with two.  The case has everything a new Gen 3 Glock 22 would have.  The gun had a sticker with the pricing of $399.  I got it for $319.  It was $30 for the transfer, which I couldn’t avoid.  I couldn’t have found a cheaper Glock in the same condition…no way.

I basically stole this gun.  That site is dangerous. I’ll definitely be looking for other potential buys.  My next Glock might be a Glock 29, but I probably won’t find bargains or police trade-ins for a G29.

So, I’ve a range visit in my future.  Hopefully, I can go tomorrow, as they’ll be closed on Sunday and Monday (Jan 1st and 2nd).  I need to visit Walmart for ammo.  🙂

More pictures of the G22 with a G19 Gen 4 and Canik TP9SA:

Glock 22 and TP9SA

Glock 22 and TP9SA

Glock 22 and TP9SA

Glock 22 and TP9SA

Glock 19 and Glock 22

Glock 19 and Glock 22

Glock 19 and Glock 22

Glock 19, Glock 22, and TP9SA

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22TCM conversion Gen 3 Glock Glock 17

Glock 17 22TCM 9R Conversion Kit

Was perusing the web and bumped into this:


 
It’s a Glock 17 conversion that allows the firing of the 22TCM round. This conversion works well with full-length handguns, as the extra barrel length gives more “ooomph” to the round. I’ve heard they’re making a Glock 19 conversion, too. And they lightened that slide bigtime.

The two cons are:

  1. It’ll take a paper clip to get the spring and guide rod back into place after field-stripping the gun.
  2. These conversions don’t work with Gen 4 Glocks.  They only work with Gen 3s (I’m not sure if they’ll work on Gen 2s and below, either).

The conversion is expensive ($400+ for the slide, guide rod and spring).  If you don’t already have a Gen 3 Glock 17, then you’ll have to spend money on that, too.  When the fat lady has sung, it’ll be a $700+ for the conversion and the handgun.  If you already have a Glock 17, then you’re halfway there!

And the 22TCM 9R round will fit in Glock mags (they’re shorter than the standard 22TCM round).

I’m definitely intrigued.